MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS OTTAWA, Monday, September 23, 2024 (60) [English] The Standing Senate Committee on National Security, Defence and Veterans Affairs met this day at 4:32 p.m., in room C128, Senate of Canada Building, the chair, the Honourable Tony Dean, presiding. Members of the committee present: The Honourable Senators Boehm, Cardozo, Carignan, P .C., Dagenais, Dalphond, Deacon (Ontario), Dean, McNair, Omidvar, Patterson, Richards and Yussuff (12). Other senators present: The Honourable Senators Al Zaibak and Cotter (2).

Participating in the meeting: Ariel Shapiro and Anne-Marie Therrien-Tremblay, analysts, Library of Parliament. Pursuant to the order of reference adopted by the Senate on Thursday, June 20, 2024, the committee began its examination of Bill C-20,

An Act establishing the Public Complaints and Review Commission and amending certain Acts and statutory instruments. APPEARING: The Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, P .C., M.P ., Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs. WITNESSES: Public Safety Canada: Randall Koops, Director General, International and Border Policy, Portfolio Affairs and Communications Branch; Philippe Roseberry, Director, Border Policy, Portfolio Affairs and Communications Branch. Canada Border Services Agency: Cathy Maltais, Director, Recourse.

Royal Canadian Mounted Police: Bryan Larkin, Acting Commissioner, Specialized Policing Services; Alfredo Bangloy, Assistant Commissioner, Professional Responsibility Sector. Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the RCMP: Michelaine Lahaie, Chairperson; Joanne Gibb, Senior Director, Strategic Operations and Policy Directorate; Lesley McCoy, General Counsel.

Pursuant to rule 15-7(1) of the Rules of the Senate and subsection 12(1) of the Ethics and Conflict of Interest Code for Senators, a declaration of private interest was made as follows: The Honourable Senator Anderson made a written declaration regarding Bill C-20,

An Act establishing the Public Complaints and Review Commission and amending certain Acts and statutory instruments. The minister made a statement and, together with Randall Koops and Bryan Larkin, answered questions. At 5:33 p.m., the committee suspended. At 5:43 p.m., the committee resumed. Bryan Larkin, Randall Koops, Alfredo Bangloy, and Cathy Maltais answered questions. At 6:30 p.m., the committee suspended. At 6:44 p.m., the committee resumed. Michelaine Lahaie made a statement and, together with Joanne Gibb, answered questions. At 7:40 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the chair. ATTEST: Ericka Paajanen Clerk of the Committee