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House of Commons Debates VOLUME 147 NUMBER 015 2nd SESSION 41st PARLIAMENT Wednesday, November 6, 2013 Speaker: The Honourable Andrew Scheer HOUSE OF COMMONS CANADA (Table of Contents appears at back of this issue.) COMMONS DEBATES November 6, 2013 DEBATES Edited Hansard * Table of Contents * Number 015 (Official Version) Official Report * Table of Contents * Number 015 (Official Version) Compte rendu officiel * Table des matières * Numéro 015 (Version officielle) 147 015 06 11 2013 2013/11/06 14:05:00 House of Commons Débats de la Chambre des communes House of Commons Debates 41 2

The House met at 2 p.m. Prayers

Statements by Members (1405) [ English ] The Speaker : It being Wednesday, we will have the singing of our national anthem led by the hon. member for Lethbridge . [ Members sang the national anthem ] STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS Statements by Members [ English ] Canada-Honduras Free Trade Agreement Mr. Randy Hoback (Prince Albert, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, he has done it again. Yesterday, the hon. Minister of International Trade signed yet another free trade deal, this time with the Republic of Honduras.

With the new Canada-Honduras FTA, Canadian exporters, service providers and investors will benefit from enhanced market access. For example, this deal is worth up to $7 million per annum for beef and pork producers. This, along with Canada's EU trade agreement, is the most ambitious trade expansion plan in Canadian history. It will create new sources of prosperity for Canadian businesses of all sizes and for their employees. Despite the New Democrats' rhetoric on liberalized trade, its anti-trade partners tell the real story.

As the Council of Canadians leader, Maude Barlow, recently stated in regard to the Canadian-EU trade agreement, the NDP is only worried about “optics”. The NDP leader needs to be honest with Canadians. His party would isolate Canada from the rest of the global community. Thank God Canada has a Conservative government that understands the importance of trade to our economy.

Ocean Science Mr. Murray Rankin (Victoria, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, today a crucial report was released focusing on the vital importance of ocean science in Canada. The report, sponsored by the Canadian Consortium of Ocean Research Universities, rightly asserts that the health of our oceans is fundamental to our precious environment and to Canada's economy. The CCORU universities do world-class research, including at the University of Victoria, but there is a pressing need for better integration of science in ocean management and use.

Industry, government and universities must work together to ensure a healthy ocean ecosystem for generations to come. While we face real challenges, I believe we can build a modern, balanced Canada and create good jobs without sacrificing our environment. The path to achieve that goal should be guided by the best science and research possible. I commend CCORU for prompting this report, and urge members of the House and all Canadians to take its findings very seriously.

Sir Frederick Banting Mr. Ed Holder (London West, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, Sir Frederick Banting has been recognized as a great humanitarian, a Nobel Prize winner, a gifted artist, the discoverer of the formula for insulin, and if I may say with huge pride, a great Londoner. It was on October 31, 1920, that Frederick Banting woke up in his home in London, Ontario, and wrote out the formula for insulin, which has given hope and quality of life to millions of people around the world. On November 9, we celebrate world Banting Day to mark the discovery by this amazing man.

It is also appropriate during Veterans' Week that we honour Sir Frederick Banting the soldier. I was personally privileged, along with my dear friend Darrel Skidmore and Banting House museum curator Grant Maltman, to raise $80,000 in a matter of days to patriate Banting's Memorial Cross from public auction. This is a medal his family received when he died in the service of our country. I am proud that it is now properly displayed in Banting House in London, Ontario. I would ask that colleagues join me in honouring a great Canadian and humanitarian who gave so much in the service of mankind, Sir Frederick Banting.

Lest we forget.

Veterans Affairs Hon. Mark Eyking (Sydney—Victoria, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I have stood in the House before to recognize the contributions Cape Breton men and women in uniform have made, going above and beyond the call of duty to defend our country and help liberate others around the world. With Remembrance Day on the horizon, our veterans are taking a stand against the government's decision to close nine offices across this country. This Saturday, I will be attending a rally with many of my colleagues to protest the closure of our Sydney Veterans Affairs office.

This will leave more than 2,900 veterans with no in-person service. Veterans such as Ron Clark in my riding, who suffers from PTSD, worry about their fellow veterans across the country who are going to lose the help of compassionate, caring workers such as Brenda LeBlanc in our local Veterans Affairs office. Brenda knows Ron's story. Ron has tried the 1-800 numbers and the apps. They just do not work. When our men and women risk their lives for our peace and prosperity, the least we can do is to take care of them when they come home.

Colon Cancer Mrs. Nina Grewal (Fleetwood—Port Kells, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, last month my father lost his fight with cancer. He had colon cancer, which had then spread to his liver and lungs. He fought the disease bravely but had discovered it when it was too advanced. Like too many other Canadians, my father had not been screened for colon cancer. Over 9,000 Canadians die every year from colon cancer. It accounts for one in eight of all cancer deaths. However, many of these deaths need not have happened. Colon cancer is slow-growing and highly detectable, and 90% preventable if detected early.

However, like my father, nearly half of those diagnosed find out too late. Everyone aged 50 and up should be screened. I urge all Canadians to be vigilant and get tested regularly, if not for themselves then for their families, and not make the same mistake my father made.

[ Translation ] Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors Ms. Marjolaine Boutin-Sweet (Hochelaga, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, today I wish to commend the important work done by the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors. One of CAHPI's objectives is to establish a national standard to ensure the competency and quality of the work of all home and property inspectors across Canada. The association also facilitates the transfer of certifications across the country. These measures, in addition to public awareness campaigns, provide enhanced consumer protection.

They also protect Canada's housing inventories. By working to preserve safe, secure and appropriate housing, CAHPI is addressing some of the NDP's concerns, which are the impetus behind our calls for a national housing strategy. The NDP has long called for such a strategy, but our bill to guarantee the right to suitable, accessible, affordable housing was rejected by the Conservatives. Members of CAHPI are on the Hill today and I wish them a very warm welcome.

(1410) [ English ] Prostitution Mr. Jim Hillyer (Lethbridge, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, last weekend Conservative delegates overwhelmingly supported a resolution that rejects the normalization of prostitution and declares that human beings are not objects to be enslaved, bought, and sold. Prostitution is a form of violence and sexual subordination. It is demeaning and dehumanizing. No amount of money can justify reducing a woman to a mere object of sexual pleasure. Any society that accepts this exploitation of women as legitimate can never hope to eradicate gender inequality and violence against women.

Our sons need to know that it is not manly to objectify women in any way, and our daughters need to know that they are treasured far above rubies and can never be for sale. Buying sex is not okay. It should be criminal, and we should go after the johns and pimps who drive this human market.

World War II Veteran Mr. Brad Trost (Saskatoon—Humboldt, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, today I would like to pay tribute to Roman Sarauer. Roman was born August 9, 1921, and grew up near Annaheim, Saskatchewan, with his parents and nine siblings. In 1942, he bought his own farmland near St. James, Saskatchewan, but his farming career was interrupted by World War II and service for the Royal Regina regiment. After training, he served in Suffield, Alberta, where they were experimenting with blister gas. Early in 1945 he left for overseas, spending a year in England, Holland, Belgium, and Ireland before returning home.

In July of 1946, he married the lovely Dolores Mamer and together they farmed and raised nine children. Eventually, his son Leslie began to farm with him and in 1980 Roman and Dolores moved to Annaheim. Roman continued to help out on the farm until his 90th birthday. He enjoyed curling and still enjoys playing cards and visiting. His only sadness is the loss of his beloved Dolores in 2009. Roman Sarauer, the people of Canada thank you for your service, for being willing to go and willing to give.

Women Veterans Ms. Christine Moore (Abitibi—Témiscamingue, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, today, on behalf of the NDP, I wish to salute all the men and women in uniform who have served our country in the Canadian Forces. [ Translation ] As the only female MP who has served in the Canadian Forces currently sitting in the House, I would like to take a moment to commend all the women who have chosen to serve our country with as much courage as any male soldier.

I would also like to applaud the fact that Canada was one of the first countries to give women full access to all trades within the armed forces. [ English ] Let me finish by remembering our fallen women of the 21st century: Master Corporal Kristal Giesebrecht, 34 years old; Major Michelle Mendes, 30 years old; Corporal Karine Blais, 21 years old; Gunner Arielle Keyes-Oliver, 19 years old; Captain Nichola Kathleen Sarah Goddard, 26 years old; Captain Juli-Ann Mackenzie, 30 years old. [ Translation ] Lest we forget. [ English ] Lest we forget.

4-H Canada Mr. Earl Dreeshen (Red Deer, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, November 6 has traditionally been declared as 4-H day. 4-H is one of Canada's longest-running youth organizations. First created in 1913, 4-H began as the Boys and Girls Club. Today, 4-H is an international youth organization involving more than seven million members in 80 countries. Our government has supported 4-H Canada. We understand the important role young farmers play in Canada's agriculture industry and we continue to support the work of 4-H to help it cultivate another century of success.

Under Growing Forward 2, we are making a $3 billion investment in innovation, competitiveness, and market development in the Canadian agriculture sector. This includes a continued investment in supporting new and beginning farmers, as well as our 4-H partners. 4-H has continuously helped youth make a better world, and I encourage all of my colleagues to proclaim November 6 as Show Your 4-H Colours day.

(1415) Shine the Light on Woman Abuse Campaign Ms. Irene Mathyssen (London—Fanshawe, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the 2013 Shine the Light on Woman Abuse campaign kicked off in London on November 1. The goal of this month-long campaign is to raise awareness of the abuse of women in our communities by turning towns and cities and even regions purple. In the city of London, the purple wave is bathing 30 buildings in purple light this month. Purple is the colour of courage, survival, and honour. Women in abusive relationships often feel trapped. Their homes are no longer safe places.

Women need to know that any shame or blame they may feel does not belong to them but to their abusers. I invite all Canadians to show their support in the fight to end violence against women by wearing purple on November 15 and throughout the month of November.

Ottawa Sun Anniversary Mr. Gordon Brown (Leeds—Grenville, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, today marks the 25th anniversary of the Ottawa Sun newspaper. As an eastern Ontario MP, I can say that this newspaper has been vital to the people of this great city and this region over the many years. I look forward to my daily read of this newspaper. In its coverage of federal politics, it is unmatched in its writing, its research, and its focus on the concerns of ordinary Canadians like the many readers of this newspaper in my riding of Leeds—Grenville. On this special day, we would like to wish a happy 25th anniversary to the Ottawa Sun . Cheers to many more years of great reporting ahead.

Health Care Hon. Hedy Fry (Vancouver Centre, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, this is family doctor week in Canada. Family doctors are the first point of patient contact with the health care system. Every day they diagnose, treat illness, promote disease prevention and good health, coordinate care, and advocate for their patients. Surveys show that family doctors enjoy the highest level of trust because of the quality and continuum of care they provide from cradle to grave. Family doctors know their patients well and are involved in every aspect of their lives.

Today, as part of their advocacy role for better patient care, the College of Family Physicians issued a report card on the federal government's performance in health care. It found that the government failed or fared badly in 22 of 23 areas, concluding that the federal government must provide leadership and establish national standards and programs, but is failing to do so. Family doctors are urging the government to work with provinces and territories to improve health care, and it is time the government listened.

Veterans Mr. James Bezan (Selkirk—Interlake, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, last spring it was discovered that the member for Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie had said that First World War veterans fought “a capitalist war on the backs of the workers and peasants”. There was no demand for a retraction from the Leader of the Opposition , even after veterans themselves called the comments outrageous. Then yesterday that same member supported the white poppy campaign and did not see why defacing the Canadian poppy was a bad idea. Again there was no demand for a retraction from Leader of the Opposition .

I guess we know why that member and the NDP vote against so many veterans' programs and benefits. I call on the NDP to get its priorities straight and to stand up for Canadian veterans. When will the Leader of the Opposition discipline this member for his shameful behaviour and apologize to our veterans?

Crisis Management Ms. Rathika Sitsabaiesan (Scarborough—Rouge River, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, Conservatives at all levels are finding new ways to mess up damage control. They took the Senate expense controversy, and in trying to quiet it down before their convention, instead blew it up all over the front pages. Throughout the scandal, the Prime Minister will not answer for what is going on in his office, will not answer for his changing stories, will not answer for the actions of his appointees, and of course now the RCMP is knocking at the door of the PMO looking for evidence. Then there is Conservative Rob Ford.

Mayor Ford is doing his best to make the Prime Minister 's crisis management look good. First his brother is sent out to blame the police chief; then the mayor admits to smoking illegal drugs; later, instead of doing the right thing, the troubled mayor launched his re-election campaign. It is all in a day's work for the Conservative damage control machine. Canadians deserve better, and Torontonians deserve better.

(1420) Royal Canadian Air Force Veteran Mr. Erin O'Toole (Durham, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I would like to share with the House a letter that our government received just a few weeks ago from the family of a veteran: It is my sad task to report the passing of my father at age 91. My dad was a Royal Canadian Air Force sergeant who served from 1939 to 1945. Over the years Dad received the financial support for hearing aids and eyeglasses he so badly required and for the help to keep him in his home as long as possible. We ask that you pass on our fond regards.

It is Canada that thanks his father for his service to our country. While he has now slipped the surly bonds of earth, there is solace in the fact that we will remember and honour his service. As one part of the RCAF caucus with my seatmate from Edmonton Centre , we salute his father and say, “ Per ardua ad astra ”.

ORAL QUESTIONS Oral Questions [ English ] Ethics Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister likes to pretend that Nigel Wright acted alone, but the $90,000 cheque to Mike Duffy was just the tip of the iceberg. Others knew about the plan to have the party pay, and even more knew about the offers to whitewash the Senate report and keep Mike Duffy in the Senate. There is a culture of cover-up and corruption in the Prime Minster's Office. When is the Prime Minister finally going to come clean? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, Mr.

Wright has been very clear: he undertook these particular actions using his own resources, his own authority, and his own initiative. He has taken responsibility for that and is being held accountable. I also note, of course, that last night the Senate held accountable the three senators who have systematically disregarded or violated spending rules, and we congratulate it for taking that action. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, did the Prime Minister know about the plan to use Conservative Party funds to reimburse the illegal expenses of Mike Duffy? No weasel words—yes or no?

Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, once again, my clear view on this was that Mr. Duffy's expenses could not be justified. He had claimed expenses he had not incurred, and I had told him, including telling him directly, that he should repay those funds. I was later told that he had, which, of course, was not true. That is one of the reasons the Senate has acted as it has, and we congratulate it for that action. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr.

Speaker, I do not know what it is that makes the Prime Minister so afraid to answer such a straightforward, clear question. [ Translation ] Jenni Byrne was working at Conservative Party headquarters, but the Prime Minister brought her back to his office to manage the Senate expense scandal. Was Jenni Byrne aware of the plan to use Conservative Party funds to pay back Mike Duffy's expenses? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the leader of the NDP is again making allegations against others without any evidence. The facts are clear: Mr.

Wright acted on his own initiative and he has taken responsibility for what he did. He is being held accountable for his actions. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the question was simple and perfectly clear. It required a simple yes or no answer. The Prime Minister continues with his stonewalling. Was Irving Gerstein, the Conservative Party leader's top fundraiser, aware of the scheme to use Conservative Party funds to reimburse Mike Duffy's expenses? Yes or no? (1425) [ English ] The Speaker : I see the right hon.

Prime Minister rising to answer the question, but I just want to remind members that there have been many Speaker's rulings about the clear delineation between party activity and government activity. As I heard it, it seemed mostly to deal with party business, but I will let the right hon. Prime Minister answer. [ Translation ] Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the leader of the NDP is once again trying to pin the blame on one person for someone else's actions. [ English ] The facts here are absolutely clear. Mr. Wright has been very clear on all of these matters.

He has taken full responsibility for his actions and he is being held accountable, as we expect in this party. We hold people personally accountable for their actions. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, just to be perfectly clear, this is about a cover-up in the Prime Minister's Office. This is government business. This is the public's business. Did Senator Gerstein approve the plan to use party money to repay Duffy's illegal expenses when he thought that the cost was just $32,000? Is it a question of principle or a question of price? Right Hon.

Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I will remind the member, once again, that as soon as I became aware of these facts we made those facts available to the public. We all know the party did not pay Mr. Duffy's inappropriate expenses. He was supposed to pay those himself. Indeed, he claimed he had paid those himself. He had not. Obviously, for that reason he is no longer a member of our caucus and has been further sanctioned by the Senate, as is appropriate. Mr. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.) : Mr.

Speaker, tonight this House will vote on a motion that will compel everyone involved in the PMO ethics scandal, including the Prime Minister , to testify under oath. I am sure every single Conservative MP would agree with their former colleague from Edmonton—St. Albert that their constituents want answers. Will the Prime Minister allow a free vote so that Conservative MPs can express the will of their constituents tonight? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the Liberal Party had its chance in the Senate last night to demonstrate some kind of accountability.

Of course what the Liberal senators did was exactly what we would expect, as they have all through this defended the rights of senators to do whatever they want to do, whether they are within the rules or not. Once again, the Liberal Party on that side has exhibited the culture we have come to know from that party, which is the culture of one being entitled to his or her entitlements. On this side, we expect people to follow the rules. Mr. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.) : Mr.

Speaker, I have heard time and time again across this country that Canadians are disappointed, that the strong voices elected from their communities have turned into the Prime Minister 's voice in their communities. In the vote tonight, will the Prime Minister allow his MPs to speak up for their constituents or will they participate in this cover-up? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, if the leader of the Liberal Party were indeed listening to Canadians, he would know that Canadians did expect those senators who broke or systematically disregarded expense rules to be removed from the public payroll. In fact, the Liberal Party did not do that, with one exception. The Liberal senators would have allowed the senators to continue without any sanction whatsoever. Fortunately, the vast majority of Conservative senators felt otherwise and have imposed that sanction. [ Translation ] Mr. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.) : Mr.

Speaker, Senator Gerstein was aware of the Duffy affair and he still has his job. The people in the Prime Minister 's Office involved in this scheme were simply shuffled off. Canadians across the country want their MPs to express the will of their constituents, who want to know more. For the third time, will the Prime Minister allow his MPs to have a free vote on this motion this evening in order to get to the bottom of this and reassure their constituents that they are listening to them?

(1430) Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the will of Canadians is crystal clear. They want the senators who claimed inappropriate expenses to no longer be on the public payroll. The Liberal Party voted to keep those senators in office. Fortunately, the vast majority of Conservative senators voted to impose serious sanctions on those senators. [ English ] Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, Nigel Wright has told the police that Irving Gerstein approved the original plan to pay back Mike Duffy's illegal expenses using party money.

Gerstein told the Conservative convention this weekend that he dismissed the idea out of hand. Both cannot be true. Did Senator Gerstein lie to Conservative Party members? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, once again, the decision to repay Mr. Duffy's inappropriate expenses was Mr. Wright's decision. That is a decision he took himself and that he has taken responsibility for. Obviously, his actions and those of Mr. Duffy were not accurately communicated to me or to the Canadian people. That is where the responsibility lies.

That is where it does lie, and they are being held accountable. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Actually, Mr. Speaker, the word “lie” does apply, but one of those two versions has to be a lie. Mr. Gerstein cannot be telling the truth, and Nigel Wright. The question was, did Gerstein approve the plan, yes or no, and as usual the Prime Minister refuses to answer. Let us talk about legal expenses. Of the legal expenses the party did cover for Mike Duffy, the Prime Minister 's office said, “The party was assured the invoice was for valid legal fees related to the audit process”.

What legal work was done relating to the audit process? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Of course, Mr. Speaker, that is a matter of party business, not government business. The facts have been made very clear on that. Political parties do provide legal support to their members of Parliament, of both Houses, from time to time. The leader of the NDP should be no stranger to this. He not only has claimed legal expenses from his party, he even succeeded in getting his party to pay court damages against him for a court case, when he lost.

I know of no parallel to that in our party. [ Translation ] Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, did the Conservative Party cover the legal fees of the other senators who are subject to the very same audit? The Speaker : Again, the question is on the activities of a party. The question includes the phrase “did the Conservative Party”. It is not part of the Prime Minister 's responsibilities as Prime Minister. I see the right hon. Prime Minister rising to answer the question.

Nonetheless, I hope all members will keep in mind that questions have to relate to the government's responsibilities. Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, as you well know, the decision to provide legal assistance to MPs and senators is made by the political parties. As far as spending taxpayers' money is concerned, that is up to the boards of internal economy of both houses. It is not up to the government. [ English ] Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the question was, why one and not the other? Let us look at another example.

The Prime Minister said it is clearly inappropriate to try to collect travel expenses when one is living at a resident he or she has not had for many, many years. Carolyn Stewart Olsen admits she charged her expenses to taxpayers for a home she lived in for decades before becoming a senator. Why was it appropriate in her case?

(1435) Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the Senate has been very clear; it is looking at the expenditures of all senators. The Leader of the Opposition once again makes broad-brush allegations against all kinds of employees and senators. I have no information that would corroborate what he said, but obviously we will see what the final findings of the audit of the Senate will be. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, has anyone from the Prime Minister 's Office discussed the investigation of Rod Zimmer's expenses with Conservatives in the Senate?

Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of what that discussion would be. I understand this particular member is no longer a member of the Senate. Although this is Senate business, it is my understanding that the Senate is examining, during this Parliament, the expenditures of all senators, past and present. [ Translation ] Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, who in the Prime Minister 's Office prepares senators for media interviews? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, from time to time the Prime Minister 's Office provides advice to members and senators about talking to the media. However, members and senators are constitutionally responsible for their actions and their words. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, who practises answering questions with the senators from time to time? [ English ] Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am starting to really have trouble figuring out what any of this has to do with government business. As I just said, if anybody breaks rules, they are held accountable.

We do not accept that in this party. We hold people accountable when they take actions that they should not have taken. Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, taxpayers pay for it; it is in the Prime Minister's Office, but what does that have to do with the government? [ Translation ] If it is true that the Prime Minister lost confidence in Nigel Wright on May 15, why did his office give Nigel Wright a vote of confidence on behalf of the Prime Minister two days later, on May 17? This just does not add up. Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, Mr.

Wright accepted responsibility for the actions he took with his own resources, under his own authority and on his own initiative. Mr. Wright's actions were clearly not acceptable and he admitted it. He took responsibility and he is being held accountable for his actions by the authorities.

[ English ] Democratic Reform Hon. Thomas Mulcair (Leader of the Opposition, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, today the Province of Saskatchewan is taking the first step toward Senate abolition. Why is the Prime Minister , just like the Liberal leader, defending the status quo for the Senate? Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, of course, this government has proposed, since the beginning, reforms to the Senate. In fact, it is the NDP that has opposed any reforms to the Senate.

In fact, the NDP governments are actually right now before the court arguing that we should make Senate abolition virtually impossible to achieve. When it comes to the status quo in the Senate, the NDP is not the solution; it is part of the problem.

Ethics Hon. Geoff Regan (Halifax West, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, it is time to come clean on the Wright-Duffy affair. The Prime Minister 's mouthpiece claims he was not aware of the RCMP investigating “anyone currently in PMO”, but, of course, the PMO staff involved in this scandal have been promoted. The Minister of Natural Resources 's new chief of staff, Chris Woodcock, allegedly wrote the cover-up script for Mike Duffy. Can the government confirm whether Mr. Woodcock has been contacted by the RCMP?

(1440) Mr. Paul Calandra (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and for Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, as we have said from the beginning, we will continue to co-operate with authorities on this matter. Mr. Wright has been very clear who he brought into his confidence on this matter. At the same time, we are very proud of those Conservative senators who supported this motion yesterday. Of course, Liberal senators did exactly what we expected them to do: fought for the status quo in the Senate.

As the Prime Minister just said, the Liberals will always fight for their entitlements, but they will never fight for taxpayers. Hon. Geoff Regan (Halifax West, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I regret that I did not get an answer to my question, so let us try again. We are talking here about the guy who allegedly instructed Duffy to lie, something this Parliamentary Secretary appears to condone. Has Mr. Woodcock had contact with the RCMP in any way? Mr. Paul Calandra (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and for Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I will speak much slower so that he can understand me.

We will continue to work with the authorities on this matter. Mr. Wright was very clear about who he brought into his confidence on this. If only the Liberals had actually supported taxpayers and Conservative senators, and actually voted to suspend these three senators. I am very proud of the fact that Conservatives on this side of the House and in the Senate will always stand up for taxpayers. [ Translation ] Hon. Geoff Regan (Halifax West, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, instructing someone to lie to cover up the Wright-Duffy agreement could constitute a criminal offence.

Chris Woodcock was the Prime Minister 's adviser, his “Mr. Clean”. He was promoted and is now chief of staff to a minister. Has Mr. Woodcock been contacted by the RCMP or did he provide the RCMP with documents and emails on his own initiative? [ English ] Mr. Paul Calandra (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and for Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, we will continue to work with the authorities in this matter. As I have said on a number of occasions, Canadians have said loud and clear that they want accountability in the Senate.

Yesterday, unfortunately, Liberal senators once again let them down. The Liberal senators are fighting very hard for the status quo. Conservative senators in the Senate did Canadians proud yesterday by suspending these three senators without pay, standing up for taxpayers.

Health Ms. Libby Davies (Vancouver East, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives are failing on one of the most important issues for Canadians: health care. The College of Family Physicians of Canada released its report card evaluating five key areas. The Conservative government failed. It failed on access to primary care, failed on home care, failed on children's health care, failed on funding, and failed on overall leadership. That is the verdict of family doctors across Canada. When will the minister stop failing and end the growing health care crisis? Ms.

Eve Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, our government is committed to a strong publicly funded health care system. In fact, our government has provided stable, predictable funding to the provinces that will reach a record $40 billion by the end of the decade. We are focused on working with the provinces and territories on innovative solutions to ensure that the health care system is sustainable and is delivering the care Canadians need. [ Translation ] Mr. Dany Morin (Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, NDP) : Mr.

Speaker, what the parliamentary secretary forgot to mention is that the government made $31 billion in cuts on the backs of the provinces. The College of Family Physicians of Canada's assessment of the federal government's role in health services is scathing. The Conservatives failed to make services available across the country; failed to offer services to the most vulnerable members of our society; failed to ensure equal access to services across the country, particularly in the regions; failed to implement a pan-Canadian health strategy; and failed to provide adequate funding for research.

The Health Council and the Wait Time Alliance have also spoken out about this problem. Can the Minister of Health explain all these failures to Canadians? [ English ] Ms. Eve Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, in fact, our government is the single largest investor when it comes to research. We have funded over $1 billion. Our government is committed to supporting innovation and research that improves the efficiency of the health care system and helps Canadians maintain good health.

We are also investing in key areas mentioned in the report, including health human resources, health information technology, and other pan-Canadian priority areas, such as cancer and mental health.

(1445) [ Translation ] National Defence Mr. Sylvain Chicoine (Châteauguay—Saint-Constant, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, let us continue with the topic of Conservative mismanagement. Too many soldiers who have been wounded in combat are being released from the Canadian Forces before achieving the 10 years of service required to receive a pension. We have raised this serious issue in the House on a number of occasions, but the minister continues to deny that this problem exists. He says that it does not.

Can the minister stop hiding his head in the sand and commit to ensuring that soldiers will not be released before they have earned the right to a pension? [ English ] Hon. Rob Nicholson (Minister of National Defence, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the department makes every accommodation to ensure that soldiers are kept in the forces and are provided with the best possible care before being considered for release.

I cannot comment on the specifics of any particular case, but I will say, with respect to pension eligibility, that it is based on long-standing terms and is determined by how much accrued time each individual has accumulated. That has not changed. Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Eastern Shore, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, in a question last week, the minister clearly said, in terms of Corporal David Hawkins, that everybody is released from the military when their time is ready, when they seem fit to leave. The reality is, in Corporal Hawkins' case, that this is not the truth.

He had a grievance filed against the defence department, and in the middle of that grievance, he was let go, before his 10 years. It is clear that the government is trying to balance its deficit in the defence department on the backs of our injured heroes. It is too late for David Hawkins right now, but for the other 200 every year who are medically released before their 10 years, would the minister now put a stop to this process and ensure that the heroes of our country get the benefits they so richly deserve? Hon. Rob Nicholson (Minister of National Defence, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, the department will continue to work with all those individuals to prepare them for transition. I wish the hon. member would address the question of why, over all these years, he and his party continue to not support, and fight us on, all the millions of dollars we are putting toward ill and injured Canadian soldiers. Why does he not answer that question for a change?

Veterans Affairs Mr. Rodney Weston (Saint John, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, today I rise in this place with a question for the Minister of Veterans Affairs . At a time when some are trying to tear away at the honour we should be demonstrating to Canadian veterans, our government and the Minister of Veterans Affairs remain focused on remembering those who have given their lives in the service of our country. Would the Minister of Veterans Affairs please update this House on how he plans to remember Canadian veterans? Hon. Julian Fantino (Minister of Veterans Affairs, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, for far too long, the Korean War has been the forgotten war. Successive governments have brushed aside complaints by Korean War veterans that Canadians simply did not know their sacrifice or their remarkable accomplishments. Not this year. This can be said no longer. Our government has spent 2013 working with members of Parliament, members from the other place, veterans associations, and indeed, foreign governments to right this wrong. As Remembrance Day approaches, I call upon all parliamentarians and Canadians to learn about and to remember those who fought so bravely in the Korean War.

Aboriginal Affairs Ms. Jean Crowder (Nanaimo—Cowichan, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the courts have struck down parts of budget 2012. The Conservatives' unilateral changes to social assistance in Mi'kmaq communities targeted Canada's poorest citizens, and the Conservatives could not even say who their changes would affect. Would the minister admit his mistake and abandon his plan to gut social assistance? Hon. Bernard Valcourt (Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, indeed, a court rendered its decision yesterday. We are in the process of reviewing the decision.

Once it is reviewed, we shall take a position on it. [ Translation ] Mr. Romeo Saganash (Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives have it in for some of the most vulnerable members of aboriginal communities, which are already struggling with an unacceptably high poverty rate. Rather than consulting with aboriginal communities or conducting impact studies, the minister waited until the Federal Court blocked the changes that he wanted to make to the welfare program. Does the minister now realize that he made a mistake, and will he respect the Federal Court's decision?

(1450) Hon. Bernard Valcourt (Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, as I just told the hon. member's colleague, the Federal Court rendered its decision yesterday. We are in the process of reviewing the decision, and once it is reviewed, we will take a position on it.

The Environment Mr. François Choquette (Drummond, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, this has to be a world record in bad policy, and it is attracting more and more attention, both at home and around the world. Yesterday the United Nations published a report on global greenhouse gas emission trends. The Conservatives earned a special mention. They are lagging behind the most when it comes to combatting rising greenhouse gas emissions. The polluter pay system is long overdue. When will the minister table her emissions reduction targets for the oil and gas sectors? [ English ] Hon.

Leona Aglukkaq (Minister of the Environment, Minister of the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency and Minister for the Arctic Council, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, our government has taken action to address climate change. We introduced new emissions regulations for vehicles. We are the first major coal user to ban construction of traditional coal-fired power plants. Thanks to our actions, carbon emissions will go down close to 130 megatonnes from what they would have been under the Liberals. We are accomplishing this without the NDP carbon tax, which would have raised the cost of everything. Ms.

Megan Leslie (Halifax, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the only thing under the current Conservative government that we are leading at is failing on acting on climate change. In this report, one of the authors said: Canada doesn't seem to fully grasp the risk that climate change poses to it...in its approach to climate change. That last answer is a perfect example of not grasping the situation. When will the minister start paying attention to science and actually take action on climate change? Hon.

Leona Aglukkaq (Minister of the Environment, Minister of the Canadian Northern Economic Development Agency and Minister for the Arctic Council, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, our government is taking action on climate change. We contributed $1.2 billion to developing countries so that they can reduce their carbon emissions and adapt to changes. We are also a founding member of a major financial contributor to an international coalition taking action to reduce pollutants like black carbon. We have also made addressing these pollutants a priority under the Arctic Council chairmanship.

Veterans Affairs Mr. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, yesterday I spoke with Corporal Glen Kirkland, who was in Afghanistan and was seriously injured in a rocket attack that also killed or wounded fellow soldiers. His fight for the honourable treatment of our veterans is the latest

chapter in his story of bravery. Will the Prime Minister make two commitments for our honoured veterans? Will he ensure that no soldier injured in combat is involuntarily discharged from the forces before qualifying for their pension? Will he reverse the closure of nine veterans service centres in communities like Sydney, Kelowna, and Brandon? Hon. Rob Nicholson (Minister of National Defence, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, again, the department works with those individuals to make sure that they are ready for the transition to civilian life. Nobody has made this more of a priority than this government.

I have to ask the hon. member this: After a decade of darkness, when the Liberals did nothing on this file, why is it only about a week before Remembrance Day that they discover this file? We make this a priority 52 weeks of the year. That is the difference. [ Translation ] Mr. Justin Trudeau (Papineau, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, yesterday I spoke with Corporal Glen Kirkland, who was seriously injured in Afghanistan. His fight to ensure that veterans are treated with dignity is just the latest

chapter in his tale of courage. Will the Prime Minister make the following commitments to our veterans? Will he ensure that no soldiers injured in combat will be dismissed from the forces before they are eligible for their pension, and will he reverse the decision to close nine veterans service centres in cities like Windsor, Thunder Bay, and Brandon? [ English ] Hon. Rob Nicholson (Minister of National Defence, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, we give our thanks to Corporal Kirkland, indeed to all those men and women who have served in the Canadian Armed Forces.

The message I have for them is that after a decade of darkness here, now they will experience a decade of delivery under this Conservative government.

[ Translation ] Champlain Bridge Mr. Hoang Mai (Brossard—La Prairie, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the people of Montreal and the south shore are increasingly concerned about the impact of a toll on the new Champlain Bridge. They still have questions. For example, how much will the toll cost? Once the toll is in place, how congested will the other bridges be? Other than saying, “no toll, no bridge” could the minister once and for all answer our questions?

(1455) Hon. Denis Lebel (Minister of Infrastructure, Communities and Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to say it again: no toll, no bridge. We will continue to work to ensure that a bridge is built to meet the needs of the greater Montreal area, with the ability to pay Canadian taxpayers. We have done a great job. The business plan will be ready by the end of the year. Among other things, it will analyze 13 different architecture and engineering scenarios for the bridge construction.

We are working hard and we will honour our commitments. Mr. Hoang Mai (Brossard—La Prairie, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, even more disturbing than the minister's failure to provide answers is the fact that his government has circumvented its own rules for awarding contracts. A sum of $15 million was awarded to Arup Canada without a tendering process. Untendered contracts often mean cronyism and corruption. Not only did they not hold an international architecture competition, but furthermore, they loaded the dice. Why did the minister decide to ignore the competitive process? Hon.

Denis Lebel (Minister of Infrastructure, Communities and Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the firm in question has been working on the bridge file for quite a while now, along with the company that was awarded the contract for the business plan. These people are hard at work. Recently, a report from the highly reputable firm Buckland & Taylor raised additional and significant concerns about the bridge. We took this very seriously.

Officials from Public Works and Government Services Canada have managed this file with Transport Canada. While my colleague is concerned about the work involved in these things, we are concerned about his vote when the time comes to invest in this bridge.

[ English ] Seniors Mr. Lawrence Toet (Elmwood—Transcona, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, elder abuse is a serious crime that should not be tolerated. Starting today, Canadians across the country will recognize National Senior Safety Week. This year, the focus will be on raising awareness and preventing financial fraud amongst older Canadians. Financial abuse, one of the many forms of senior abuse, deprives seniors of their dignity and peace at a time of life when they should feel safe and secure. Can the Minister of State for Seniors please tell the House what our government is doing to help tackle financial abuse? Hon.

Alice Wong (Minister of State (Seniors), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, any form of elder abuse will not be tolerated by our government. That is why we have passed legislation to ensure tough sentences for those who have taken advantage of seniors. We have increased funding for New Horizons, which deals directly with financial abuse. We have also increased the availability of information and resources to help abused seniors and their families. We are working together with the provinces and territories, with organizations and individuals in order to continue our work in tackling elder abuse.

Search and Rescue Ms. Yvonne Jones (Labrador, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, on Monday, a fishing vessel en route from St. Anthony to Triton, Newfoundland, became engulfed in flames. Three fishermen had to evacuate the ship after making a mayday call. That call was received by St. Anthony Coast Guard radio and St. John's Coast Guard radio, both of which government had slated to close. It was the element of local knowledge and coordination that allowed for a successful rescue operation. I ask the government today to admit that slashing search and rescue services is putting lives of people at risk.

Will more people have to die before the government reverses those decisions? Hon. Gail Shea (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, first, I want to thank private citizen Terry Ryan and the other private citizens who responded to the call. I also want to thank the Canadian Coast Guard and Canadian Forces personnel for being involved in this rescue which saved three people, thankfully. The fact that a private vessel responded after mayday calls were issued by both the burning vessel and the Canadian Coast Guard and they were first on site is an example of how the mayday system works well.

The closest vessel headed out to the disaster. The mayday was issued at 6:20 a.m. and in nine minutes a Hercules from Greenwood, a Coast Guard ship out of Lewisporte, and a helicopter out of Gander were tasked with responding.

(1500) Western Economic Diversification Ms. Linda Duncan (Edmonton—Strathcona, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the RCMP is now investigating Regina's International Performance Assessment Centre for alleged fraud and breach of trust. The federal government gave $4 million to IPAC toward research on carbon capture and storage. Conservatives have been aware of these problems for some time. Have they been contacted by the RCMP? What actions are they taking to recover any misspent taxpayer monies? Hon. Michelle Rempel (Minister of State (Western Economic Diversification), CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, it is my first time answering my colleague in her role as critic to the western economy, one of several in her caucus. However, this matter is before the RCMP, and we will not comment further.

Natural Resources Mr. Brian Jean (Fort McMurray—Athabasca, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the oil sands create hundreds of thousands of jobs in communities right across Canada. We notice the Conservatives clap for that because our government knows that Canadians benefit from resource development. We have been clear that the Keystone XL project will create fantastic jobs for Canadians and tremendous growth in our economy. Could the parliamentary secretary please update the House on the work the minister is doing to support Canadian jobs and add to the quality of life for Canadians? Mrs.

Kelly Block (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Natural Resources, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Natural Resources is in Washington today, advocating for Canadian jobs in our resource sector. The difference between our approach and that of the NDP could not be more stark. While our government is focused on creating jobs and economic growth for Canada, the NDP attacks Canadian jobs. While we support Canadian workers, the NDP continues its anti-trade, anti-development, and anti-resource agenda.

[ Translation ] Science and Technology Ms. Laurin Liu (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the indirect costs of research are severely penalizing Canada's universities. By reimbursing only 21.5% of those costs, the Conservatives are putting our universities at risk of not balancing their books. Quebec universities alone are underfunded by $113 million annually. Will the Minister of Industry improve the program and cover 40% of the indirect costs of research, as was planned in 2003? Hon.

Greg Rickford (Minister of State (Science and Technology, and Federal Economic Development Initiative for Northern Ontario), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, our government remains committed to supporting science, technology, and innovation. That is why we are working with post-secondary institutions to re-evaluate the indirect costs program. We want to ensure that taxpayers' money is managed wisely.

Champlain Bridge Mr. André Bellavance (Richmond—Arthabaska, BQ) : Mr. Speaker, along with the Government of Quebec, the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal and the south shore business community, 61% of the people in the Montreal area also oppose the toll the federal government plans to levy on the future Champlain Bridge. The Prime Minister 's political lieutenant for Quebec now stands alone.

Instead of imposing its views and bending the rules in the awarding of contracts—the same rules meant to prevent what we are seeing every day with the Charbonneau commission—when will the government really sit down with the stakeholders and stop operating in a vacuum? Hon. Denis Lebel (Minister of Infrastructure, Communities and Intergovernmental Affairs and Minister of the Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, since October 5, 2011, the day we launched the process for the construction of the new bridge over the St.

Lawrence, over two years ago, there have been more than 55 meetings involving officials from Transport Canada, Transports Québec, the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal and the Agence métropolitaine de transport. The day we announced the construction of the new bridge, we said that there would be a toll on it as part of a public-private partnership and that there would be public transit on the bridge. There are no surprises here.

[ English ] Presence in Gallery The Speaker : On the occasion of Veterans' Week, I would like to draw to the attention of hon. members the presence in the gallery of some of our war veterans: Mr. Bill Black, a Korean War veteran; Mr. Wayne MacCulloch, a peacekeeping veteran; Mr. Jody Mitic, an Afghanistan war veteran; and Mr. John "Jack" Caldwell McLean, a Bomber Command veteran. Some hon. members: Hear, hear!

(1505) The Speaker : I would also like to draw to the attention of hon. members the presence in the gallery of Senator Sean D. Barrett, a distinguished senator from the Republic of Ireland. Some hon. members: Hear, hear!

Routine Proceedings Routine Proceedings [ English ] Veterans' Week The Speaker : There have been consultations among the parties. Therefore, before the hon. Minister of Veterans Affairs rises to make a statement, I would invite all hon. members to rise for two minutes of silence to commemorate our veterans. [ A moment of silence observed ] Hon. Julian Fantino (Minister of Veterans Affairs, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I would like to start by first recognizing the important anniversary we are observing this year. On July 27, 1953, a ceasefire was finally brokered on the Korean Peninsula.

With the beginnings of the Korean War armistice, two bitter foes agreed to put down their weapons. Sixty years later, we still remember the more than 26,000 Canadians who served courageously on land, at sea, and in the skies during some of the most brutal and bloodiest fighting of the Korean War. Approximately 7,000 Canadians continued to serve there after the fragile ceasefire was reached and, as we sadly remember, 516 brave Canadians made the ultimate sacrifice so the world might one day know peace.

Despite all of this, the Korean War has long been viewed by many as the forgotten war, and that is why our government sought to correct this wrong by making this year, 2013, the Year of the Korean War Veteran. We all respect the official record of this place. Every word we speak in the House is captured indefinitely by Hansard , and this is why at the end of my speech I will table, in both official languages, a list of every Canadian who perished in the Korean War.

I do so with the hope that all Canadians will know the names of those who made the ultimate sacrifice, that their names will be enshrined in Hansard for future generations to come. It is truly an honour to rise this afternoon to deliver my first Veterans' Week statement as Canada's new Minister of Veterans Affairs. At the outset, I want to thank the Prime Minister for the privilege of serving Canada's veterans and their families, serving those who have served our country so bravely and so well. Our men and women in uniform have an incredible sense of duty and commitment to service above self.

We recognize the toll their service takes on their families, the extra responsibilities and duties their loved ones assume on the home front each day, the constant fear that comes with not knowing how loved ones are doing or even where they are. This reality is unique to our military families and as I salute them for their contributions, I ask all Canadians to do likewise. It is these realities that have motivated me to stand in the chamber today to thank all of our military families for sharing their loved ones with us.

We truly are a grateful nation and we remember fondly the devotion and sacrifice of the men and women who have chosen to demonstrate their love of country by wearing the maple leaf. I have been privileged to travel far and wide to meet with some of our veterans and see the respect and gratitude they have earned around the world. Even more profoundly brought home to me time and again is the sense of altruistic patriotism shown by the veterans themselves, proud, honourable and distinguished Canadians, past, present and, no doubt, future, truly the best Canada has to offer.

I cannot say how proud I felt to be a Canadian when I accompanied our Korean War veterans on their return visit to the Korean Peninsula in July. Let me also assure everyone that South Korea is a nation that continues to honour and remember the great sacrifices of the Canadian men and women who protected their freedom some 60 years ago. I felt equally privileged to be with Canadian veterans and Canadian Armed Forces personnel in Sicily to mark the 70th anniversary of Operation Husky and the Italian campaign that liberated my native Italy from the tyranny and oppression of the day.

Just as important, I have been meeting veterans and their families here at home, in their communities, from coast to coast, in places like Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, London and Sarnia, in Fredericton, Halifax, Charlottetown and Vancouver. These men and women, as well as their strong and supportive families, represent the very best of what it means to be Canadian.

(1510) It is tempting to say that we are fortunate people, or to believe that fate has looked kindly upon us, but Canada did not become a great nation by accident. This prosperous and democratic country that we love, this way of life we hold so dear, is owed in large measure to the generations of men and women who have courageously stood up and put themselves at risk to defend our shared ideals and values. They have stood up for Canada, for our core beliefs of democracy, human rights and respect for the rule of law.

They have stood up for a caring and conscientious peace-loving people, and that is why we are here today. We appreciate that Canada is a precious gift, made by many who have served and continue to serve at home and abroad: on land, at sea and in the air. We are their heirs to peace, security and quality of life that we can never take for granted. We never will.

This Veterans' Week, we come together as a proud nation to honour the more than two million Canadians who have worn our nation's uniform during times of peace and war, and to remember the 118,000 brave men and women who have paid for our freedom with their lives. Whether these are profound memories and personal reflections of sacrifices, or in any way those we can tribute today, be they in Europe or elsewhere where our soldiers are buried, at the cenotaphs or services of remembrance, Canadians will never forget.

One such profound recent reminder was at the Royal Canadian Legion General Wingate Branch, No. 256, in Toronto. While honouring the sacrifice of Canadian Jewish World War I heroes, Mr. Murray Jacobs, past president, captured the significance of the day when he said something that was reflective of the weather, the temperature, and the inclement conditions we were under there. He said, “We are reminded that the rain is really teardrops as we remember our fallen brethren”. That is our history, our proud military heritage, which predates our nation itself. This is who we are.

It is a history that our government is proud to honour, revere and commemorate. Next year, we will be commemorating the 100th anniversary of the beginning of the First World War and the 75th anniversary of the beginning of the Second World War, as part of our plans leading to the celebration of Canada's 150th birthday in 2017. We are determined to ensure future generations of Canadians never forget the people and events that shaped our nation, that they never forget the terrible loss of life or the scale of the devastation, destruction, sacrifice and trauma that the tragedy of war brings.

It is indeed regrettable that after all these years we still cannot claim world peace in our time. A new generation of Canadian men and women have instead known the horrors of modern-day war, and fighting during the Afghanistan and Libya campaigns. Canadians are still serving in the cause of peace and freedom, from Cyprus to the Golan Heights, to the Sudan and the Congo. They are continuing to serve in the proud traditions of those who came before them, defending Canada with honour, courage and distinction.

As we return to our communities, and as we await with great anticipation for the return of the final group of personnel from Afghanistan, and as we prepare to gather at local cenotaphs and memorials, I ask all Canadians to make this Veterans' Week a time of reflection and gratitude. Let us make it a time to remember those to whom we owe so much, those who sacrificed, those who have given us what we can never fully repay, those upon whose shoulders this and future generations of Canadians stand. Lest we forget.

(1515) Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Eastern Shore, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I wish to congratulate the hon. Minister of Veterans Affairs and the government for their kind remarks on Veterans' Week. I would like to highlight the names of some veterans and their families throughout this country who have given so much. They are not only Canada's heroes, but some are my personal friends. There is Major Dan Gagnon, who served so bravely in Rwanda, and Major Tom Wilson, who retired after 36 years of valiant service. Between the two of them, they have 72 years of proud military tradition in the Canadian military.

Lily Snow, Helen Rapp, Louise Richard and Nichola Goddard, Nichola having paid the ultimate sacrifice, are brave women who served side by side with the men who served so bravely in all the wars and conflicts that Canada has entered into. There is Murray Brown of the RCMP. We must not forget about our RCMP and their families, who serve so bravely, not only internationally but at home as well. There are great people, such as, Medric Cousineau and his campaign for service dogs, Michael Blais with the Canadian Veterans Advocacy, and veterans advocate Sean Bruyea.

Also worth noting are the Royal Canadian Legion and many organizations that advocate, not only for remembrance of those who paid the ultimate sacrifice, but for those who are still with us. I would also mention Mr. Peter Lahey of the International Transport Workers' Federation, who is going to Liverpool on November 10 to lay a wreath on behalf of all seafarers and merchant mariners throughout the world. I congratulate Mr. Nathan Greenfield, an author who wrote a fantastic book called The Forgotten .

He has written about prisoners of war and those who escaped various conflicts when they were in prison in World War I and World War II. However, there is one person who stands out. That is Mr. Ed Carter-Edwards, of Smithville, Ontario. He is now 95 years old. I swear, if Canada were at war tomorrow, he would be the first one to sign up. He was in the bomber command that was shot down over Europe. He and his colleagues were in the Buchenwald concentration camp, which went against the Geneva Convention. Somehow he ended up surviving to tell us the story of what happened.

Recently, in a book signing at the Armoury in Ottawa, he told a bunch of new officers of the Canadian military about the tremendous experiences of what he went through. When doing so, one could have heard a pin drop. This is one of Canada's true national heroes. He is about five feet tall, but as tough as they get. I personally want to salute Mr. Ed Carter-Edwards, on behalf of all of us in the House of Commons, and all Canadians, for his tremendous fighting spirit and efforts in reminding us of the price of war. I also want to congratulate the Government of Canada for making this the year of the Korean veteran.

We would like to say to all of those who served in Korea, and their families, that the Korean War is forgotten no more. I am very proud that the minister presented the 516 names into Hansard today, so that all Canadians will be able to look upon them as true Canadian heroes, as well as those who have served and sacrificed, were injured, and eventually came home. We truly will not be able to have peace in Korea until North Korea and South Korea become a unified country. I hope that all of us will be alive when that gracious day comes.

On behalf of the leader of the New Democratic Party and all of my colleagues from coast to coast to coast, we say to each and every veteran who has served, their families, and those who will serve and become veterans in the future, that there is a gravesite in Brussels from World War I. When the individual passed away, the family put something on the gravesite. It states, “This Canadian left his home so that you can live in yours”. I am a Dutch-born Canadian. I know that the minister is from Italy.

We know all too well about the liberation that was made possible by what Canadians did so that our families and our countries could be free. On behalf of all of us, we say God bless to our veterans and their families. May God have mercy on the souls of those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice.

(1520) Hon. Jim Karygiannis (Scarborough—Agincourt, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I am truly humbled to speak on behalf of my leader and the Liberal Party of Canada as we honour the men and women who have answered the call to serve their country. A lot of them are here today and we need to recognize them, and a lot of them are now missed as members of Parliament. Throughout our history, young Canadians have enlisted to fight for freedom in faraway lands. They have answered the call to serve in two world wars, and the Korean War, as peacekeepers and as peacemakers.

They have left home, their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers, their sweethearts and their wives and children. They have gone to fight for freedom and justice. They have gone to fight for those who are oppressed and persecuted. They have gone to keep warring sides apart and to maintain shaky peace treaties. They have gone to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves. I cannot imagine facing what each of them has faced. I cannot imagine the rush of adrenalin as they face the enemy or come under fire.

I cannot imagine seeing their comrades being killed or wounded, and I cannot imagine the horrors they have witnessed. In 1914, young Canadians from across the country enlisted to fight in Europe. By the end of the First World War, 619,636 had gone to war. George Herald Baker, a member of this House of Commons, was one of the 66,000 who did not come home. Through the blood of our soldiers, Canada won its place at the treaty table. Unfortunately, the war to end all wars did not end all wars. Once again, between 1939 and 1945, 1.1 million young Canadians went off to war, and 45,400 did not make it home.

There were 54,000 Canadians who came home with physical wounds, and countless others came home with psychological wounds. Between 1950 and 1953, 26,791 Canadians served in the Canadian Army Special Force, in Korea. There were 1,516 young Canadians who did not come home and 1,042 were wounded. Since the Korean War, more than 1,800 Canadians have fallen in the line of duty. They were serving on peacekeeping missions and other foreign military operations, on domestic operations and training. The 158 Canadians who have fallen in Afghanistan are included in this number.

Others have returned home with physical and mental wounds. These men and women exemplify the best of what it means to be a Canadian: strong, caring and compassionate, with a sense of justice and a willingness to defend and protect the weak and the helpless. In 2005, I had the privilege of visiting two DART camps, one in Sri Lanka, after the tsunami, and one in Muzaffarabad, Pakistan. In Pakistan, I watched as a young Canadian doctor spoke to an injured child in his own language.

I heard about doctors and medics who put on their boots, strapped their medical supplies to their backs, climbed the mountains, and delivered medical care to those who were too injured to make it to the DART hospital. In 2006, I had the opportunity to go to Vimy Ridge and saw the soaring monument to the 3,598 Canadians who lost their lives during that four-day bloody battle. I saw the landscapes that still bear the scars of the exploding shells. I saw the trenches where our soldiers lived and died.

At the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month each year, we remember those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice. However, every day of the rest of the year, every time we see a veteran or a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, we should stop and take a moment to shake their hands and say, “Thank you for your service. We are in your debt”. Lest we forget. (1525) [ Translation ] Mr. Claude Patry (Jonquière—Alma, BQ) : Mr. Speaker, Remembrance Day is an opportunity for each of us to realize that we owe a debt to veterans and their families.

We have a duty to teach future generations about those who put what was best for their country ahead of what was best for them. We all have to appreciate that, without the sacrifice of our veterans in the two great wars, our democratic way of life would not be what it is today. In the same breath, we must recognize the extraordinary courage of today's troops, some of whom have sacrificed their physical or mental health to defend our values. On this Remembrance Day, we have a collective duty to honour the soldiers and their families. We must ensure that their legacy lives on.

We have been commemorating this day to preserve the memory of our veterans and demonstrate solidarity with them and their families for nearly 100 years. Canada's commemorative symbol is the red poppy and France's is the blue cornflower or bleuet de France. Red and blue were the colours of the trenches in those days. Remembrance Day has a special meaning to the people in my region. Together we remember the heartbreak of watching soldiers departing and the emotional homecomings.

Every day, I run into men and women who have a direct or indirect connection with the military base in my region, CFB Bagotville, who have ties with the soldiers who go overseas but remain close to their hearts. Every day I see the joy on the faces of children and their family members. Sometimes I reflect on the sacrifice of soldiers and their families, their courage and bravery. I thank our Canadian soldiers. Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands, GP) : Mr.

Speaker, I am very honoured to join the other parties in paying tribute to the Canadian citizens who make sacrifices overseas. [ English ] I want to start by reminding us that when we wear these poppies, we are financially supporting the work of the Royal Canadian Legion. I want to publicly thank the Royal Canadian Legion for the amazing work they are doing. They are providing much-needed assistance to our veterans in post-traumatic stress disorder assistance, they are providing housing, and they are stretching themselves to meet needs. I am deeply indebted to them for their work.

I encourage people to remember to wear the poppy, and when one falls off to be sure to put more money in the box before they pick up their next one. This is important work they are doing. (1530) [ Translation ] The Green Party and I are very aware of the huge sacrifice that soldiers must make to defend our Canadian values. [ English ] We have seen many generations go to war. We can think of their sacrifices, and on days like this—indeed, in weeks like this—we pay homage.

However, we have, as non-combatants, the very real risk of trespassing the line between remembering and honouring the sacrifice of the fallen and glorifying war. We know that those who have served and those who have been in battle will be the last ones who would ever want us to do that. One of my closest friends is someone who fought and served in the Second World War. Despite an age difference, I can say that I feel I am one of his contemporaries, although he is 92. Farley Mowat served in the Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment, known as the Hasty Ps.

In his book And No Birds Sang , he recounts in grim, evocative detail what it was like in the Sicily campaign. He speaks of that period and says: I came back from the war rejecting my species. I hated what had been done to me and what I had done and what man did to man. It is in that spirit that we should all recommit ourselves to find the way forward to peace, and in doing so, do it in the name of every son, brother, father, mother, sister, and child who has gone to war without coming back.

We do it to say that we are committed to a path to peace, knowing that it is not an easy path and knowing that we do it to honour those who have sacrificed so much so that we have the liberty to try. [ Translation ] Peace remains a realistic dream, but we will have to work hard to achieve it. [ English ] Today, with all of us gathered on one of those days when we are truly joined in spirit and in purpose, we say, “Never again. Lest we forget.”

Interparliamentary Delegations Mr. Earl Dreeshen (Red Deer, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 34(1) I have the honour to present to the House, in both official languages, the report of the Canadian

section of ParlAmericas respecting its participation at the 32nd ParlAmericas meeting of the board of directors and the 10th plenary assembly in San José, Costa Rica, on August 20-24, 2013.

National Day of the Midwife Act Ms. Peggy Nash (Parkdale—High Park, NDP) Bill C-548. Introduction and first reading moved for leave to introduce Bill C-548,

An Act respecting a National Day of the Midwife . She said: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to introduce a private member's bill entitled “an act respecting a national day of the midwife”. I am very pleased to be able to present this important legislation. I would like to thank my NDP colleague, the member for Hochelaga , for seconding the bill and for supporting efforts to promote midwifery and maternal health in Canada. Access to quality maternity care close to home not only contributes to maternal and newborn health but also strengthens our communities and our families.

Just yesterday, I and my NDP colleague from Vancouver East , the official opposition health critic, hosted a panel on maternal and child health in Canada. We heard repeatedly about the vital role midwives and midwifery services play in the maternity care system in all provinces and territories of Canada. Midwives provide safe, accessible, cost-effective services and quality health care. They are key to decreasing infant mortality and morbidity across Canada, including in rural, remote, and aboriginal communities. The International Day of the Midwife is observed in over 50 countries around the world.

Declaring May 5 as national day of the midwife in Canada would increase public awareness of the contribution midwives make to our communities. This week the Canadian Association of Midwives is holding its annual national conference here in Ottawa. It is the perfect opportunity for us to recognize the essential role midwives play in ensuring a continuum of care throughout pregnancy, birth, and beyond for the health and welfare of mothers and their babies. Therefore, I encourage my colleagues on all sides of the House to support this bill. (Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

(1535) Financial Administration Act Mr. Mike Allen (Tobique—Mactaquac, CPC) Bill C-549. Introduction and first reading moved for leave to introduce Bill C-549,

An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act (unlegislated tax measures) . He said: Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to table my private member's bill today to amend the Financial Administration Act for unlegislated tax measures. The bill would amend the Financial Administration Act to provide that the Minister of finance table each year a list of tax measures that the government publicly announced its intention to legislate but that have not been legislated.

The objectives of the bill are to ensure our tax laws are clearer, improve the efficiency of implementing those tax laws, and assist the taxpayer in the understanding of those tax laws. In short, it would help to address the many problems created for individuals, small and medium-sized businesses, tax professionals, and the Canadian Revenue Agency that result from a huge backlog of unlegislated tax measures. I want to thank the member for West Nova , a former provincial finance minister, very much for seconding the bill.

I ask for the support of all members of the House to make sure this happens for tax fairness across Canada. (Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and printed)

Petitions International Trade Mr. Frank Valeriote (Guelph, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I rise today to table two petitions on behalf of constituents in Guelph who are concerned about the Canada-EU Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. Petitioners are concerned about domestic changes to Canadian sub-federal procurement rights, copyright, telecommunication and cultural rules, the delivery of postal services, banking and financial regulations, and investment protections. My constituents are asking that the Government of Canada exclude sub-federal governments and their public agencies, including municipalities, from any Canada-EU procurement agreement or procurement

chapter within the agreement. They are also calling on the federal government to hold nationwide consultations on the agreement.

Mining Industry Mr. Chungsen Leung (Willowdale, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I wish to present a petition from constituents of my riding. It is to regulate Canadian mining companies operating abroad.

Shark Finning Mr. Fin Donnelly (New Westminster—Coquitlam, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I am happy to rise in this place to present a petition from thousands of Canadians who say that measures must be taken to stop the global practice of shark finning and ensure the responsible conservation and management of sharks. They call upon the Government of Canada to immediately legislate a ban on the importation of shark fins to Canada.

Climate Change Ms. Kirsty Duncan (Etobicoke North, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present this petition on climate change, our most pressing environmental issue and perhaps the defining issue of our generation. It will profoundly affect our economy, health, lifestyles, and social well-being. It requires moral responsibility and intergenerational responsibility. How we respond will define the world our children and their descendants grow up in.

The petitioners call for the government to table a comprehensive climate change plan, commit to attaining the greenhouse gas emission reduction goals that are supported internationally, and contribute its fair share to fill the megatonne gap, the shortfall between existing mitigation commitments and the emission reductions necessary to prevent dangerous climate change.

(1540) [ Translation ] Health Ms. Françoise Boivin (Gatineau, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I am honoured to present three petitions in the House. Two of them have to do with health, and the petitioners urge the government to maintain our public health care system and guarantee access to the same quality of care across the country by providing a federal transfer to the provinces and territories.

Canada Revenue Agency Ms. Françoise Boivin (Gatineau, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the third petition has to do with enabling certain Canadians to obtain paper copies of the documents needed to fill out tax returns. These individuals tend to be older, do not always have access to the Internet, or are not very familiar with the Internet.

Mining Industry Mr. Jean-François Larose (Repentigny, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, today I am presenting a petition for Development and Peace regarding mining companies abroad. As we know, there is a lack of transparency and accessibility, which has some very serious consequences. We are hearing more and more complaints that Canadian mining companies around the world show a lack of respect. Development and Peace would like the government to bring in an ombudsman who would have significant investigative powers.

[ English ] The Environment Mr. Bruce Hyer (Thunder Bay—Superior North, Ind.) : Mr. Speaker, I rise today to present a petition from people in British Columbia who are concerned about Kinder Morgan and Enbridge's pipelines, which would result in a greatly increased number of tankers on the west coast, including supertankers that have not been there before. The petitioners are concerned about the movement of oil.

They are concerned that spills are inevitable, that tar sand materials are toxic and virtually impossible to clean up, and that spills would be devastating to local industries, including tourism and marine ecosystems. They would like to see a permanent ban on crude oil tankers on the west coast to protect fisheries, tourism, coastal communities, and natural ecosystems.

[ Translation ] Gender Parity Mrs. Anne-Marie Day (Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I would like to present a petition concerning the House of Commons. This petition seeks changes to the Financial Administration Act in order to have equal representation of men and women in federal crown corporations. That is the intent of my Bill C-473 , which many Canadians support.

[ English ] Housing Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands, GP) : Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise today with a petition from residents of Saanich—Gulf Islands, from Saltspring Island, from Mayne Island, from North Saanich, and from Sidney. The petitioners are calling upon the government to heed the advice of the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and put in place a national affordable housing strategy. In particular, I would love draw the attention of the Minister of Finance to the request to reform the tax treatment of the building of rental housing units. In the past, we had incentives for developers. We need to bring those back and create the full spectrum of affordable housing.

Research Mr. Ted Hsu (Kingston and the Islands, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, in my riding of Kingston and the Islands there are chunks of the city where Statistics Canada has suppressed data on things such as jobs, employment, and housing conditions because the data quality is not good enough. I have the honour to present a petition from my constituents that calls upon the Government of Canada to respect the right of Canadians to have access to good statistical information, citizens as well as legislators, and asks the government to adequately fund basic research and free scientists to speak openly on all taxpayer-funded research, apart from subjects with legitimate national security restrictions.

Questions on the Order Paper Mr. Tom Lukiwski (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand. The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton): Is that agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed.

Motions for Papers Mr. Tom Lukiwski (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I ask that all notices of motions for the production of papers be allowed to stand. The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton): Is that agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed. [ Translation ] The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton) : I wish to inform the House that because of the ministerial statements, government orders will be extended by 25 minutes.

Government Orders Government Orders (1545) [ English ] Canadian Museum of History Act Bill C-7—Time Allocation Motion Hon. Peter Van Loan (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, CPC) Motion moved: That, in relation to Bill C-7,

An Act to amend the Museums Act in order to establish the Canadian Museum of History and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the consideration at the third reading stage of the Bill; and that, 15 minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on the day allotted to the consideration at the third reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment. [ Translation ] The Acting Speaker (Mr.

Bruce Stanton) : Pursuant to Standing Order 67.1, there will now be a 30-minute question period. [ English ] I invite all hon. members who wish to participate in the 30-minute question period to rise, and from that point we will decide how much time we will allot to the period. That being the case, we will look to those putting questions to perhaps guard their interventions to around one minute and we will have sufficient time to get each of the people participating. Questions. The hon. House leader for the opposition.

[ Translation ] Mr. Nathan Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, this is the 57th time since the election that the Conservatives have done this. Incredibly, that is roughly the number of senators appointed by the Prime Minister . I think he broke his promise with 59 senators. [ English ] There are so many quotations from current Conservative ministers and from the Prime Minister , when the Conservatives were in opposition, railing against this very tactic, that my challenge is to choose which one is most appropriate. Let us take one from the Prime Minister.

He said: We have closure today precisely because there is no deadline and there are no plans. Instead of having deadlines, plans and goals, we must insist on moving forward because the government is simply increasingly embarrassed by the state of the debate and it needs to move on. Does that sound at all familiar, given the situation that we have here today? The Prime Minister was then complaining about the governing Liberals.

We have the Conservatives moving time allocation as if they hope to normalize the situation of shutting down debate in Canada's Parliament, that it would somehow be a good and normal practice, which it is not. The Conservatives shut down debate on the bill previously before they prorogued. Now they have to do it again because they prorogued and killed the legislation in the last Parliament. Enough is enough. When are the Conservatives going to realize that a little democracy is a good thing?

It would look good on them if they actually allowed the House of Commons, Canada's Parliament, to do its job and hold the government to account. [ Translation ] Hon. Shelly Glover (Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, this is the first time that I have risen as a new minister, and I would like to thank all my colleagues who will be working with me to ensure that we honour our museums, arts and culture and everyone in Canada who works so hard to make Canada the best country in the world. (1550) [ English ] Now, to respond to some of the questions put to me by my colleague from the NDP. Time allotment has been something that the member continues to harp about. However, we must remember that this is a bill that was introduced in the spring. It is a bill that is widely supported by many people in this industry.

It is also supported by many Canadians. I want to put on the record, for those who happen to be watching, that the bill has received significant consultation and attention, including approximately 15 hours of debate, and there have been approximately 52 speakers. That is not all. There have been consultations done by the museum officials, which were very important. I am hoping that I might actually get another question from my colleague in the NDP because I know he wants to know what Canadians had to say to the museum officials when responding to this consultation.

Therefore, I will sit down and hope that he asks that all-important question. Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, my question is for the government House leader . It is important that we recognize that never in the history of our country have we seen a majority government of any sort here in Ottawa bring in time allocation as often and frequently as the current government.

We need to recognize that when they bring in time allocation or this form of closure, they are preventing debate inside the House of Commons, limiting individuals' ability to share their ideas and thoughts, whether criticisms or whatever they might be. The issue is that the government members continue, well over 50 times since they formed this reform/Conservative majority government, to feel that the only way they can pass legislation is through time allocation.

When is the government House leader going to start negotiating in good faith with all opposition House leaders and the House leadership team so we can bring some normalcy back to the House of Commons? This is not the way to be dealing with legislation. Canadians would not approve. Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague, also from Winnipeg where I am from, for that question. However, he has probably asked that question three or four dozen times.

I am not entirely sure why he does not want to talk about Canadian history, about the fact that we would create a museum that would talk about our identity. Winnipeggers strongly support the bill. They strongly support this government. That is why we have a majority of Manitoba members coming from the Conservative side of the House. In fact, he is the only Liberal member in Manitoba. I appreciate working with the member, but I would appreciate hearing what his constituents want to hear, which is how this museum would help them.

The way it would help the people of Manitoba is that we would have the ability to share exhibits. Thanks to this new bill, we would be able to see the Manitoba Museum bring exhibits from the museum of history to Manitoba so that all of his constituents and all of my constituents might be able to enjoy them. We would also be able to allow the Manitoba Museum and others to exchange exhibits and bring them to the national capital. In respect of those Manitobans who are watching, I am very excited to have the bill before the House today.

I hope my hon. colleague will support it so that Manitobans in his riding, my riding and all ridings of Manitoba would be able to enjoy these artifacts that make us who we are, the proudest of all Canadians. [ Translation ] The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton) : I would like to remind the hon. members that during this period, most of the questions on the motion will be asked by the opposition, but from time to time a question from the government side will also be accepted. The hon. member for Gatineau now has the floor. Ms. Françoise Boivin (Gatineau, NDP) : Mr.

Speaker, I appreciate this opportunity to question my colleague, who is accusing us of not wanting to take a closer look at Bill C-7 . It is important to understand that we are working under a time allocation motion. In the little time we will be allotted a few minutes from now, we will have the opportunity to deal “at length” with the bill. Being from the Outaouais, I can say that the unanimity the minister seems to be talking about is non-existent. That said, this 57th time allocation motion bothers me since there is virtually nothing on the House's legislative agenda.

It is not as if we have 26 bills to examine. To paraphrase the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons , this is nothing but a time- and schedule-management tool. There is next to nothing before the House. I find it unfortunate and I do not understand why the government introduced a bill about a museum and then limited the discussion with a new minister who would do well to listen to what people have to say on the subject. I would like the Minister to answer this question, in particular: why call for a time allocation motion for such a topic as the museum's new mandate?

(1555) Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for her question. The answer is very simple: we are listening to Canadians. Canadians want to use this museum, which will be dedicated to our Canadian history and identity. This is important to them. I would urge my colleague, whom I consider a friend, to listen to Canadians, too. Canadians paid attention to what we did last summer. Furthermore, we have already had several hours of debate on this bill. The museums held consultations.

A large number of Canadians responded and were excited by the prospect of having a museum that would celebrate our country's history. [ English ] Mr. Rick Dykstra (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Canadian Heritage, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, there are two points to this question. The first is that it is fascinating that we have spent over 20 hours debating the bill over the last number of months, with countless hours in committee and the research that was done. Over 20,000 Canadians filed online responses to the question of what they thought the museum should be about and whether they were supportive of it.

I am shocked that instead of coming into the House of Commons to talk about Bill C-7 , whether it is second or third reading, the opposition does not even ask about the museum. Thousands and thousands of Canadians have already stated what they believe the museum should be and what it should do. The second point is that when opposition members finally spend a bit of time speaking about the bill, all they do is misinterpret what the bill says, try to take folks down a completely wrong road that does not exist and actually misrepresent what the bill says and what is going to happen at the museum.

I say today that we should give the minister the opportunity to tell Canadians exactly what the truth is about the museum of history. Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, Canadians know very well that this government supports the history of this country with tremendous passion and dedication. This museum is going to allow Canadians from coast to coast to coast to celebrate with us all of the historic moments that we are missing. Right now, the museum is in need of renovations and updating.

The bill would allow this museum to actually live again, be in the present, and celebrate the past with Canadians from coast to coast. There was one thing that happened yesterday that we have not been able to mention. If the House would indulge me, I want to take a moment to do that. I am very pleased to congratulate Lynn Coady, this year's winner of the Scotiabank Giller Prize for her short story collection Hellgoing , who one day may be part of our Canadian history museum. Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.

Since this is about shutting down debate on a motion, I do not think it is right that we have people filling up time with all other manner of things, avoiding the fundamental debate at hand, which is the shutdown of our ability to speak in the House. This is what we need to be speaking about. I ask you to keep that in mind, because this is about our democratic rights as members. The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton) : I thank the hon. member for his intervention. We have been down this path before in these types of debates where these time allocation motions have been debated.

I remind hon. members that the actual subject, the bill the time allocation motion is the subject of, invariably does become part of the debate, because members use the elements in the bill to argue their points either in favour of or opposed to the very motion before the House. It is very difficult to separate the two, but I am cognizant of the member for Timmins—James Bay 's intervention in this regard and will listen carefully to make sure that we keep the questions in front of the House pertinent to the question at hand. (1600) [ Translation ] The hon. member for Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia . Mr.

Jean-François Fortin (Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, BQ) : Mr. Speaker, once again, the government is using an exceptional measure, namely time allocation. This use of time allocation is designed to give us fewer opportunities to talk about an important bill. Usually, this measure would be used by a government in exceptional circumstances. By using this measure for the 57th time, the government is once again flouting democracy and is seeking to ensure that parliamentarians are not able to debate a topic that is fundamental to and important for democracy.

Earlier, a member asked why the government is once again using time allocation. The answer is simple. It wants to make history and put this type of rhetoric and abusive process on display in its own propaganda museum. The minister was very open about the fact that they are going to create a new museum. It makes me wonder though, since the museum already exists. Why create a new museum when there is one that already fulfills the role it was created for?

Renovations are all well and good, but we are worried that the minister and the government are once again trying to influence history by creating a propaganda museum. Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, I thank my hon. colleague for his remarks. I disagree entirely with what he said about democracy. The government continues to bring forward and propose legislation that is in the best interest of Canadians and Quebeckers. With this bill, we are going ahead with a change to the museum's name and mandate, thereby creating a new museum.

Our museum of history will explore Canadian identity, Canadian history and the events that make us proud to be Canadian. I would like to invite my hon. colleague to celebrate with us and to stop saying that 20 hours of debate in committee and in the House is not enough. No one can say that there was not enough consultation when 20,000 people took

part in the consultations held on museums. The time has come to move this bill forward and create a good museum of history. [ English ] Mr. Matthew Kellway (Beaches—East York, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the minister began by saying that this was her first time rising in the House to speak as the Minister of Canadian Heritage , and I wish I could congratulate her on that. What an inauspicious start to begin this discussion and have to rise to defend the 57th motion to restrict debate in the House. That means that 40% of the government's legislation has been shut down with time allocation motions.

As my colleague from Skeena—Bulkley Valley mentioned earlier, there was a time when the government seemed to respect the principles of debate and democracy in this place and held those values and that practice high. They left quite a trail of words in the official records of this place. I would like to quote from the minister's predecessor as Minister of Canadian Heritage, when he was in opposition. He said, “Mr. Speaker, here we go again”. I would editorialize to say that he said “here we go again” long before it was 57 times.

He carries on: “This is a very important public policy question that is very complex and we have the arrogance of the government”, that being the Liberal Party at the time, “in invoking closure again. When we look at the Liberal Party on arrogance it is like looking at the Grand Canyon. It is this big fact of nature that we cannot help but stare at”. The NDP is not prepared to just stand and stare at these things. We will pursue a compelling reason for the minister to shut debate down on this issue once again.

Is there some compelling reason to have to shut debate down and violate the principles of democracy in this place once again?

(1605) Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, I have to say that democracy exists thanks to the government that is standing before him here today. There is democracy and also protection of our citizens. This is the government that continues to listen to the concerns of Canadians. When I talk about protection, I am glad that this government has moved forward to ensure that our streets and our communities are safer, thanks to some of the bills we saw in the last Parliament. They were moved forward to ensure that our children are protected, that our women are protected, and that our aboriginal people are protected.

Were it not for this government reacting to our democratic rights in a way that would protect our communities, those groups would today still be at risk. The NDP wants to stand in the way of protecting those people. I will not. I will continue to push forward, as Canadians have asked, to make sure that this museum of Canadian history is put in place so that they can celebrate who we are, what we are, and what we will always be: proud Canadians. Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands, GP) : Mr.

Speaker, I would like to begin by congratulating my colleague on her new appointment as Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages . I am quite sure that she probably did not intend to suggest that it is due to the current administration that we have democracy in Canada. We have democracy in Canada thanks to centuries of Westminster parliamentary tradition, to the basic principle that government exists and is legitimate only by the consent of the governed, that Parliament is supreme, and that in Westminster parliamentary democracy, all members of Parliament are equal.

That is why motions like this are so egregious. I do not blame her, in particular, for this. It has become, as we have heard from other colleagues, a constant pattern to shut down debate. I think it is wrong. I think we do need to re-examine it. I wish that those members on the opposite side of this House would say to the political master sitting inside the PMO, “Enough. We want full debates. We want to respect members of Parliament on all sides of the House”. Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my colleague for those kind words of encouragement. I want to agree with her as well.

We have a long history here in Canada of parliamentary procedures that have evolved from exactly what she said. That includes democratic principles such as time allotment. That includes what we are doing here today, listening to Canadians and pushing forward what Canadians want to see us push forward. They do not want to see delay for the sake of delay, which, unfortunately, is the opposition's plan and strategy every time we try to bring forward something Canadians have asked for. I will not allow delay for the sake of delay to interfere with what Canadians want.

I will continue to push forward and hope that they will join us in celebrating Canada's history with this new museum name. [ Translation ] Mr. Denis Blanchette (Louis-Hébert, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I will begin with a quote from November 27, 2001. For the government to bring in closure and time allocation is wrong. It sends out the wrong message to the people of Canada. It tells the people of Canada that the government is afraid of debate, afraid of discussion and afraid of publicly justifying the steps it has taken. That statement was made, at that time, by one of the minister's former colleagues, Vic Toews.

There is something I do not understand about what the minister is saying. Is she saying that what the museum is doing now is no good, that it is not doing the right thing? She seems to be blaming the current authorities and the work they are doing and saying that they really have not been going in the right direction. My question is this: is the minister blaming the work that the museum curators are currently doing? Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, not at all. In fact, we have a great deal of respect for what the museum curators are doing.

I would also like to respond with a quote from the president and CEO of the Canadian Museum of Civilization. He said: We are also pleased that this government recognizes that preserving our nation’s history is vitally important to national life and to our national sense of self. That means that the president, Mark O'Neill, agrees with our proposal to breathe new life into this museum. He works very hard and I want to thank him for that. His team also works very hard. I want to thank them on behalf of the Government of Canada.

I am eager to work with him on the proposal that is before us today: the creation of the museum of history. (1610) [ English ] Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the issue before us today is the fact that we have a government that shows absolute contempt for the role of the Westminster tradition. We heard it from the minister herself, because she was not going to allow what she called debate for debate's sake. I know that my Conservative colleagues do not understand or perhaps are not interested in the Westminster tradition, but we are called here to debate.

We have a mandate from people who vote for us. The Conservatives have contempt for the people who vote for us, because they say that they know what is good for Canadians, and so they do not waste time debating. If they do not want to waste time debating, they should leave the Westminster tradition. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! Mr. Charlie Angus: Mr. Speaker, I hear the anger and the shouting and the contempt they show, because they do not want to respect a tradition that has hundreds of years behind it. The Conservatives can be bullies. They can shout and insult us, but our role is to debate.

Once again, the Conservatives are telling Canadians that the role of this Parliament is interfering with the work of the current Prime Minister and his little cabal who are trying to run this country. Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, we all know that this member likes to get the headlines in the paper, but I am not here for that. I am here for Canadians. I am here to follow the rules that are in place. For the member to pick and choose which rules he thinks are democratic, and to disregard those that are in the Westminster system, such as time allotment, for his own purposes, I think is wrong.

Frankly, for the member to insult Canadians' intelligence by changing my words, as I had said “delay for the sake of delay”, I think is unfair. That is the reputation that member continues to put forward. I will not do that. I will tell the truth. I will not spin. I am going to do what Canadians want, and that is to rename this museum the Canadian museum of history. Mr. Costas Menegakis (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I too want to congratulate my colleague on her appointment as Canada's new Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages .

I wish her every success in her role. I am sure that she will excel, as she has in all she has done since she was first elected to represent the great people of Saint Boniface. I have listened to the concerns colleagues opposite have repeated on several occasions regarding this particular time allocation. However, what I did not hear from them was why 57 hours of debate is not enough time. They are speaking as if this thing came up a few minutes ago, and now, all of a sudden, we are asking for a vote on the legislation.

After having heard an exhaustive 57 hours of regurgitated speeches from members opposite saying the same thing over and over, why is it important for the government to take some action, bring it to closure, and have a vote? Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, put very simply, it is so that we can get on with the business at hand, which is to rename this museum so that Canadians from coast to coast to coast can allow us to celebrate our Canadian history with them. It would allow us to focus on what has happened in the past to make us the greatest country in the world.

It would allow us to focus on why we do the things we do as Canadians. Events in our history have led us down this path to being the Canadians we are. They have led us down this path to respecting one another, to having the rule of law that we follow and respect, and to being the Canadians of this Parliament, who Canadians are watching today, who will lead them into the future, concentrating on their asks. One of their asks is that this change of name occur so that we can get on with the business of the day and allow Canadians to celebrate and share these exhibits from coast to coast to coast. [ Translation ] Mr.

Pierre Jacob (Brome—Missisquoi, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, earlier, my colleague spoke about democracy. I remind her that since the Conservatives were elected, they have shut down debate 57 times—three times since the new session started alone. They have shut down debate on 40% of their legislative agenda.

I would like to quote the Minister of Employment and Social Development and Minister for Multiculturalism , who said the following on March 15, 2002: For the government to, for the 75th time, prohibit members from speaking on behalf of their constituents and to the national interest on matters of grave concern, such as the budget implementation bill, is yet more unfortunate evidence of the government's growing arrogance and contempt for our conventions of parliamentary democracy. I would like the member opposite to explain what parliamentary democracy means when they are imposing a gag order for the 57th time.

(1615) Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, parliamentary democracy means following the rules. This is clearly in accordance with the rules, and we want to address the needs of Canadians by listening to them. We consulted 20,000 Canadians who gave their opinion on the museum. We also held debates here, in this House. There were discussions in committee, hours of debate, discussions and consultations.

Now is the time to move forward with this bill and to give Canadians and Quebeckers what they want: to move forward with the history museum, so that we can celebrate our past and move towards a future with a museum that will instill more pride and will acknowledge our country's achievements and accomplishments. The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton) : We have time for a quick question from the honourable member for Sherbrooke. Mr. Pierre-Luc Dusseault (Sherbrooke, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, thank you for this opportunity. I would like to ask my colleague a question, and I congratulate her on her appointment to cabinet.

I am not sure that, when she was dreaming of becoming a minister, she thought that the first thing she would do as a minister in the House of Commons would be to impose a time allocation motion to limit debate. The logic is rather fascinating because she is telling us that we do not want to debate the bill, when all we really want is to have more time to debate it. They are the ones telling us that they want less time to debate this bill. We, on this side of the House, are the ones who are truly interested in studying and debating this bill.

They, on the other hand, want to spend less time on it and deal with it as quickly as possible. They are quite wrong in saying that we do not want to debate the bill. It is quite the opposite. We want more time to debate this bill,

whereas she wants less time for the debate. I am asking her why. Mrs. Shelly Glover : Mr. Speaker, I thank my hon. NDP colleague for his kind words. Debates and consultations have taken place. Most of the people who talked about this change to the museum clearly said that they wanted to see this happen quickly, and quite frankly, we have let them down. This has clearly already been proposed in a previous Parliament by another minister. We have spent hours debating it and we always get the same response from the opposition: they want us to do nothing with this.

Canadians, however, want us to do something about this. They want to celebrate Canada's history. We, the Conservatives, will follow all the rules. We will move this bill forward and give Canadians what they want—to rename this museum—and we will do so as quickly as possible. [ English ] The Acting Speaker (Mr.

Bruce Stanton) : It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the question to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment is as follows: the hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands, The Environment. [ Translation ] It is my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every question to dispose of the motion now before the House. [ English ] The question is on the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Some hon. members: Agreed.

Some hon. members: No.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton): All those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

Some hon. members: Yea.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton): All those opposed will please say nay.

Some hon. members: Nay.

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton): In my opinion the yeas have it. And five or more members having risen: The Acting Speaker (Mr. Bruce Stanton): Call in the members.

(1700) (The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the following division:) (Division No. 8) YEAS Members Ablonczy Adams Adler Aglukkaq Albas Albrecht Alexander Allen (Tobique—Mactaquac) Allison Ambler Ambrose Anders Anderson Armstrong Aspin Baird Bateman Benoit Bergen Bernier Bezan Blaney Block Boughen Braid Breitkreuz Brown (Leeds—Grenville) Brown (Newmarket—Aurora) Brown (Barrie) Bruinooge Butt Calandra Calkins Cannan Carmichael Carrie Chisu Chong Clarke Clement Crockatt Daniel Davidson Dechert Del Mastro Devolin Dreeshen Duncan (Vancouver Island North) Dykstra Fantino Fast Findlay (Delta—Richmond East) Fletcher Galipeau Gallant Gill Glover Goguen Goldring Goodyear Gosal Gourde Grewal Harper Harris (Cariboo—Prince George) Hawn Hayes Hiebert Hillyer Hoback Holder Jean Kamp (Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission) Keddy (South Shore—St.

Margaret'

s) Kent Kerr Komarnicki Kramp (Prince Edward—Hastings) Lauzon Lebel Leef Leitch Lemieux Leung Lizon Lobb Lukiwski Lunney MacKay (Central Nova) MacKenzie Mayes McColeman McLeod Menegakis Merrifield Miller Moore (Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam) Moore (Fundy Royal) Nicholson Norlock Obhrai O'Connor O'Neill Gordon Opitz O'Toole Payne Poilievre Preston Raitt Rajotte Reid Rempel Richards Rickford Saxton Schellenberger Seeback Shea Shipley Shory Smith Sopuck Sorenson Stanton Storseth Strahl Sweet Tilson Toet Trost Trottier Truppe Valcourt Van Kesteren Van Loan Vellacott Wallace Warawa Warkentin Watson Weston (Saint John) Wilks Williamson Wong Woodworth Yelich Young (Oakville) Young (Vancouver South) Zimmer -- 149 NAYS Members Allen (Welland) Andrews Angus Atamanenko Aubin Bélanger Bellavance Benskin Bevington Blanchette Blanchette-Lamothe Boivin Boulerice Boutin-Sweet Brahmi Brison Brosseau Byrne Caron Casey Charlton Chicoine Chisholm Choquette Christopherson Cleary Comartin Côté Crowder Cullen Cuzner Davies (Vancouver Kingsway) Davies (Vancouver East) Day Dewar Dion Dionne Labelle Donnelly Doré Lefebvre Dubé Duncan (Etobicoke North) Duncan (Edmonton—Strathcona) Dusseault Eyking Foote Fortin Freeman Fry Garneau Garrison Genest-Jourdain Giguère Godin Goodale Gravelle Groguhé Harris (Scarborough Southwest) Harris (St.

John's East) Hsu Hughes Jacob Jones Julian Karygiannis Kellway Lamoureux Lapointe Larose Laverdière LeBlanc (Beauséjour) LeBlanc (LaSalle—Émard) Leslie MacAulay Mai Martin Masse Mathyssen May McCallum McGuinty McKay (Scarborough—Guildwood) Michaud Moore (Abitibi—Témiscamingue) Morin (Chicoutimi—Le Fjord) Morin (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine) Morin (Laurentides—Labelle) Mulcair Murray Nantel Nash Nicholls Nunez-Melo Papillon Patry Péclet Plamondon Quach Rafferty Rankin Rathgeber Ravignat Raynault Regan Rousseau Saganash Sandhu Scarpaleggia Scott Sellah Sgro Simms (Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor) Sims (Newton—North Delta) Sitsabaiesan St-Denis Stewart Stoffer Sullivan Thibeault Toone Tremblay Trudeau Turmel Valeriote -- 123 PAIRED Nil The Speaker : Motion agreed to I declare the motion carried.

I wish to inform the House that because of the proceedings on the time allocation motion, government orders will be extended by 30 minutes.

[ Translation ] Third reading Bill C-7. Third reading The House resumed from October 30 consideration of the motion that Bill C-7,

An Act to amend the Museums Act in order to establish the Canadian Museum of History and to make consequential amendments to other Acts , be read the third time and passed. Mr. Pierre Nantel (Lo