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House of Commons Debates VOLUME 147 NUMBER 044 2nd SESSION 41st PARLIAMENT Friday, February 7, 2014 Speaker: The Honourable Andrew Scheer HOUSE OF COMMONS CANADA (Table of Contents appears at back of this issue.) COMMONS DEBATES February 7, 2014 DEBATES Edited Hansard * Table of Contents * Number 044 (Official Version) Official Report * Table of Contents * Number 044 (Official Version) Compte rendu officiel * Table des matières * Numéro 044 (Version officielle) 147 044 07 02 2014 2014/02/07 10:05:00 House of Commons Débats de la Chambre des communes House of Commons Debates 41 2

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Government Orders Government Orders (1005) [ English ] Fair Elections Act

The House resumed from February 6 consideration of the motion that Bill C-23,

an act to amend the Canada Elections Act and other acts and to make consequential amendments to certain acts , be read the second time and referred to a committee. Bill C-23. Second reading Mr. Frank Valeriote (Guelph, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I am thankful for the opportunity to rise to speak to this bill today. The cause of fair elections is one that is close to my heart, ever since Guelph became ground zero for a concerted and malicious campaign, in the last election, to wilfully mislead non-Conservative voters to the wrong polling locations on election day, May 2, 2011.

The subsequent investigation has demonstrated where we lack the ability to effectively pursue electoral fraudsters, yet it is as if the Conservative government and its minister have learned nothing from what happened in Guelph . Instead, it seems as if they are more interested in punishing Elections Canada and the Chief Electoral Officer for some imagined anti-Conservative transgression. How else could they explain that our top election official was left out in the cold and not consulted when it came to expansive legislation that would make significant changes to how we conduct our elections?

Frankly, over the past couple of days of debate and questions, the minister has seemed quite proud of the fact that he sat through a meeting with Mr. Mayrand, only to ignore his most pertinent recommendations and to go on to draft the same toothless bill they planned to draft before they met with him. I know that the minister claims there was consultation.

However, it is quite clear from the immediate comments from Elections Canada's spokesperson, John Enright, in the immediate wake of the minister's statement, that “the Chief Electoral Officer has not been consulted” and “there's been no consultation on the bill”. Had there been true consultation, the bill might have provided the resources and tools requested by Mr. Mayrand in October, when he said: Without that power to compel it adds time and complexity to investigations and sometimes they get into a dead end for lack of co-operation from witnesses.

Similarly, this echoes the statement of the Commissioner of Canada Elections, Yves Côte, who asked for further investigative powers and the ability to compel the provision of information. He explained, in his first annual report: It regularly happens, in the course of our investigations, that we approach individuals who we know will have information relevant to a file we are working on, only to be told that they do not wish to talk to us—they refuse to say anything.

We have all seen this to be the case in Guelph , where two and a half years later, we still do not have any more of an idea of who Pierre Poutine is and just how coordinated a plot it was to misdirect voters, forcing them to the wrong polling stations. On election day 2011, a fraud was perpetrated across Canada, in over 200 ridings, and yet to this day, only one charge has been laid, in large part because Elections Canada lacks the teeth or the tools it needs to seize documents before they are destroyed or to compel testimony so as to advance the case and find the perpetrators.

The minister has stated that his reforms would enable the Commissioner of Canada Elections to seek stiffer penalties for a wider range of offences. However, what would that really accomplish, when there has been no augmentation to the commissioner's investigative powers? What good are stiffer penalties if one cannot find and convict the perpetrators?

Rhetorical flourishes such as “sharper teeth”, “longer reach”, and a “freer hand” may paint a delightful picture for government messaging, but they are hollow words in the face of an enforcement regime that has no ability to find those who perpetrate frauds or to effectively enforce the Canada Elections Act. It is like raising the fine for speeding but taking away the radar guns. Equally concerning is the bizarre move of the Commissioner of Canada Elections from Elections Canada to the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

Not only does moving the commissioner's desk not increase his investigative powers, it effectively silos him off from Elections Canada and the data it possesses. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise you and ask your permission to split my time with the member for Winnipeg North . The Speaker: Is that agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed. Mr. Frank Valeriote: I cannot square away how the members of the current government believe that a freer hand comes from changing the position of the commissioner to a government appointment and making him accountable not to Parliament but to the Attorney General of the day.

One can only hope that this is not a result of the frequent examinations of the Conservative Party by Elections Canada and its commissioner, be it on the in-and-out scandal; the sad tale of the former Conservative minister, the member for Labrador ; the ongoing tale of the Prime Minister 's former parliamentary secretary; or even the Conservative Party's connection, as stated by Federal Court Justice Richard Mosley, to the fraudulent election-day calls from the Conservative Party's CIMS database.

From comments made by the minister and other members, it would almost seem as if they do not believe that the Chief Electoral Officer is impartial, something he is statutorily bound to be. It was this paranoia that led the minister to proclaim that, “[t]he referee should not be wearing the team jersey”, as if it is some invisible bias that caused Elections Canada to enforce the provisions of the Elections Act when Conservatives did wrong. In effect, what the Conservatives are doing is punishing the guy who caught them, or at least his office. Mr.

Mayrand put it best yesterday, when he stated that these changes are taking the referee off the ice, sidelining him, so he cannot see what infractions may be going on. However, this is no surprise, coming from a party whose leader has called a former chief electoral officer “a dangerous man”, and whose members have accused the impartial body of carrying out a “vendetta” against them. Perhaps we should have seen this coming when the Conservative government started cutting the organization's budget. When did it do that? It was in the midst of its robocalls investigation.

With the impending addition of 30 new ridings, already austere resources have been further constrained by these cuts. Perhaps that was all part of the plan, seeing as this piece of legislation also purports to muzzle Elections Canada's ability to promote voter turnout among youth, seniors, and other marginalized groups, which, on their face, represent the groups that tend not to vote Conservative when they vote. It boggles the mind that Conservatives do not see increasing voter turnout as a priority but instead feel that mobilizing their own partisans is paramount, and they want to legislate this.

It astonishes further that this advertising-happy government would restrict the ability of an impartial organization to communicate accurate, truthful, non-partisan information while it continues to roll out the Brink's trucks for its advertising campaigns on its non-existent job grant program. It is unfathomable that this bill would inhibit the organization we trust with the administration of our free and fair elections from communicating vital information that might encourage Canadians to fulfill their civic duty.

For all their hockey analogies, what the Conservatives would do is change the rules of the game without consulting any of the players, officials, or spectators, and they appear to be changing it to suit their own purposes. There are elements of this bill that are common-sense, balanced reforms, but to include them with so many cynical attacks on Elections Canada, the Chief Electoral Officer, and the investigative process is not legislating in good faith. Somewhat predictably, though sadly so, this was reinforced when the government moved closure on the bill the day after it was read for the very first time.

It seems as if the current government is as disinterested in consulting the people's representatives as it was in consulting the Chief Electoral Officer. I certainly hope the Conservatives will accept amendments to this bill, should it reach committee, and that it might be open to more and better consultation with Canadians than they have had so far. Perhaps this was the only version of the bill that could satisfy the fears of the Conservative caucus.

However, if the Conservatives and their minister are truly interested in reform, they will consider truly consulting with electoral experts, including the Chief Electoral Officer, and we can reshape the bill in the best interests of Canadians.

(1010) Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I do not think anyone in the House of Commons failed to see the irony of that member standing in his place to talk about infractions for robocalls. He will go down in history forever as the first person in Canada to be convicted of making an illegal robocall. In the last election, he put out an illegal robocall that gave a false name and a false phone number to thousands of his constituents in the riding of Guelph . He had to be found guilty by the CRTC. He may yet be investigated by Elections Canada. We do not know.

However, we do know that he was the first ever, and that is the historical distinction he brings to this debate. The second thing I want to address is that the member has come out today in opposition to making law enforcement independent, which would give it a freer hand. Why is it that the Liberal Party, through this member, has stated its opposition to allowing the commissioner to control his own staff and his own investigations and to have a fixed term so that he cannot be fired without cause?

(1015) Mr. Frank Valeriote : Mr. Speaker, no doubt the member opposite would love to discuss the error that caused my riding association to pay a fine to the CRTC. It was about a third of the fine his own member, the member for Wild Rose , had to pay for the same infraction. It was much less than the fines the Conservative Party had to pay for similar infractions under the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications legislation. Those errors, repeated by many in the House, were a result of accidental omissions. They did not put a name, address, and phone number on their calls.

However, that pales in comparison to the fraudulent day calls on May 2 made by that party to people in my riding telling them to go to the wrong place to vote. It was not just in my riding; it was in 200 ridings across this country. This matter was brought before the Supreme Court, and what did Mr. Justice Mosley say? He said that while he could not definitively make the connection, because there was not absolute evidence, he knew that it was Conservatives who did it, because they had access to their information system.

He dares stand in the House and accuse others of violations when that was the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on Canadians in election history. Mr. Yvon Godin (Acadie—Bathurst, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I would like to hear the member for Guelph on the situation in 2006, when the Conservative Party was involved in the in-and-out scheme. Do members remember the in-and-out? The Conservative Party sent money to our ridings. It wrote cheques, and the cheques were returned to the Conservative Party, the national party, where it used $1.5 million more of its funds that it could use during the election.

It took Elections Canada to court, because it felt that Elections Canada was not fair to it. It fought with Elections Canada. The Conservative Party has been fighting with Elections Canada since 2006 because of everything Elections Canada has done to try to have fair and honest elections. The Conservative Party is always putting sticks in its wheels. This is really a bill to crucify Elections Canada. That is what the Conservative government is doing. It is putting a lock on the discussion we are having today, because it does not want the public to hear. Mr. Frank Valeriote : Mr.

Speaker, I agree with the member's comments entirely. The Conservative Party is like those soccer players or hockey players who are indeed guilty of infractions who feign falling to the ice. They pretend that they have somehow been victimized and that it was someone else's fault. I regret that the Conservative Party has avoided, not just missed but intentionally avoided, the opportunity to give this legislation the teeth and tools Elections Canada requires to find, convict, and punish perpetrators of fraud during elections. The omission is quite intentional. Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Winnipeg North, Lib.) : Mr.

Speaker, it is with pleasure that I rise to share my thoughts in regard to the fair elections act and the need for us to address what I believe is a fading confidence that Canadians have in Elections Canada's ability to properly investigate and ultimately come up with tangible consequences when there are violations of the election laws. I listened to the minister's question to my colleague from Guelph and was blown away that he would have the tenacity to try to give the impression that the member for Guelph in some way tried to do something inappropriate in terms of an election law violation, to disenfranchise.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Let us take a look at the reality of the need for election laws and how important it is that we beef up the resources to Elections Canada. We can talk about the robocalls. The core issue of the robocalls is the unethical behaviour, which has been alleged by the Conservative Party in different ways. One example is the mysterious calls being made, telling people that although it was voting day, they should be voting elsewhere. Who originated those calls? There is a huge question mark around that.

Then we have the calls that were being made late in the evening, past 11 o'clock and sometimes at 2 o'clock in the morning. Where were the targets of those phone calls? Liberals would not have been contacting Liberal supporters at 2 o'clock in the morning. That was an attempt to get Liberal supporters upset with the Liberal Party, maybe with the suggestion that they would not support the Liberal Party. Those were the types of unethical phone calls being made. Where was that data bank that was being used to make those calls?

The very serious allegations pointed to a political party, and it was not the New Democratic Party or the Liberal Party that the finger was pointing at. There was the in-and-out scandal. What kind of joke was that, in terms of a fine? The maximum fine that could be levied was $50,000, and that is what the Conservative Party ultimately had to pay. It got off awfully lightly on that particular issue. It was the Conservative Party that was caught this time and fined for inappropriately breaking election laws. There are candidates who overspend, some more than others. There have been consequences.

In one situation, a member of the Conservative Party resigned and then ran again in a by-election. We know what happened in that by-election. It did not turn out well for the Conservative Party. The Liberals and the New Democrats do not have to take any lesson at all from the Conservative government in terms of ethical campaigns. We need to watch what the Conservative Party is doing during elections. That is why it is so disappointing, in terms of the manner in which we have seen this legislation brought in, which we are debating today.

When it comes to election laws, given how important they are, and given that we should never take our democracy for granted, one would think that there would be some responsibility for the government of the day, which happens to be Conservative, to do the right thing when it comes to changing them. It should be done on a consensus basis. The government of the day should be working with Elections Canada. It should be far more apolitical in terms of working with opposition parties, not only the Liberals and the New Democrats but also the Green Party and any other registered political party.

(1020) It should be based on consensus and consultation. There are many different stakeholders out there who have opinions on electoral reform and ways in which we could have improved democracy in Canada. Why is it that we have a majority Conservative/Reform Party that feels it is the only party that knows how to change the election laws, when in fact it is likely the single greatest violator of the elections laws?

It is the party that is responsible for bringing in this legislation, and then to add insult to injury, it brings in time allocation to prevent members of the House from being able to express themselves. That is the reason I only get 10 minutes as opposed to what would normally be given, 20 minutes, for members to speak. There is no lack of interest. Members, especially in the opposition parties, want to be able to express their concerns with regard to what the government is doing to our elections, and they are being denied that through time allocation.

We have a democratic bill that is supposed to be debated, but after three members have stood in their place to speak to the bill, the government has moved time allocation. The Conservatives are very good at time allocation. No other government in the history of our nation has introduced time allocation as much as the current government has done. Shame on the government. If we look at the legislation itself, we see there are some positive aspects. We do see some increases in fines. That is a positive thing. There are some changes that are encouraging, but there are also some areas that are discouraging.

If I look at this in a very simple manner, I would suggest that we want to see an Elections Canada that has the power to ensure that there is a consequence when there is a violation of an election law. If I were to add something to that, I would suggest that it should be done in a timely fashion. It is not appropriate that we had a violation of an election law three years ago and it is still not resolved today. This is especially true in a number of areas, areas such as over-expenditure. If a campaign spends more than it was entitled to spend, that issue should be resolved in a timely fashion.

If there has been inappropriate behaviour by a particular campaign or a party, there needs to be a consequence in a timely fashion. I would suggest that this does not happen today. I was sitting at a PROC committee meeting yesterday and I had an opportunity to question Mr. Mayrand, the Chief Electoral Officer. One of the questions I put to him was if he believes he has the laws that are necessary to ensure that there is a timely processing of consequences for election infractions. The answer in essence is no; it is not there.

The Chief Electoral Officer does not have the type of authority that is necessary to ensure that the integrity of our election laws is being maintained. This is where I believe the greatest flaw of the legislation is. It does not address that issue. I asked the Chief Electoral Officer to what degree he was consulted. Imagine, this is the Chief Electoral Officer of Elections Canada, which is respected throughout the world by hundreds of different organizations and governments. It is a truly independent body. He said he was not consulted appropriately in dealing with this legislation.

(1025) I say shame on the Conservative government for not doing its homework, shame on the government for not being able to bring forward this legislation in a timely fashion, and shame on the government for not allowing members of Parliament and Canadians, through their members of Parliament, to be able to contribute to the reform of our elections laws. I see my time has expired. I am grateful for the opportunity to share a few thoughts.

(1030) Mr. Paul Calandra (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and for Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I wanted to ask the hon. member this. He pointed out a few items in the bill that raised some concerns with him. I wonder if he might comment on why he does not believe that taking the elections commissioner outside of the realm of the Chief Electoral Officer is a positive step.

It would allow Elections Canada to focus specifically on running proper elections, on making sure elections are done with the highest of standards, so that people can get to the polls and access the vote quicker and in an easier fashion. Why does he not believe that is the most paramount function of Elections Canada? Why does he not see it as a positive step to review the investigative function and make it a separate and distinct unit, giving it the authority it needs to do these investigations properly?

I wonder if he might also comment on the provisions of the act pertaining to a cap on the amount that leadership candidates are allowed to raise and borrow on their own, so that we do not have the unfortunate instance, which we currently have within the Liberal Party, where hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal contributions sit unpaid and the candidates themselves are saying they have no intention of ever repaying those. I wonder if he might also comment on the CRTC becoming the guardian of voter identification when it comes to telecommunications with voters. Mr. Kevin Lamoureux : Mr.

Speaker, how wonderful it would have been if the government had sat down with opposition members to talk about some of these ideas it is now imposing. At the end of the day, when the Conservatives talk about this commissioner and they see that as a positive thing, they are wrong. It is not a positive thing. Canadians need to be aware that what the Conservative government is doing is saying, “Trust us. We will determine whether or not we want to prosecute an election violation. We are going to have more control over the independent commissioner. We're taking it away from Elections Canada”.

Quite frankly, I have more trust in the Chief Electoral Officer ensuring that our system is fair than I do in the Prime Minister's Office and those guys running around in short pants. I say the government has made a mistake on this issue, and if it saw the error in its ways it would make the changes necessary and allow for an amendment that would put it back with the Chief Electoral Officer. That is the right thing to do. Mr. Paul Calandra : You are actually lying to Parliament. The Speaker : The hon. member for Scarborough—Agincourt is rising on a point of order. Hon. Jim Karygiannis : Mr.

Speaker, I am sure that if you check the blues you will find out that the government member called my good friend a liar. If I heard right, the expression he said is, “You are lying”. I would ask the member if he would get up and apologize to my colleague from Winnipeg North. That is the only right thing to do. Mr. Paul Calandra : Mr. Speaker, I was simply pointing out the fact that the member was not adequately or correctly talking about the act as it is written. He was misrepresenting the facts of the act, and I think that is inappropriate.

If the word “lying” is an inappropriate use of terms, then I will withdraw that term, but I will still stand with the fact that the member was completely misrepresenting the act and perhaps should do a better job and maybe might want to read the act. The Speaker : I can assure the hon. parliamentary secretary that the word “lying” is unparliamentary, so I appreciate the fact that he has withdrawn it. The hon. member for Louis-Hébert. [ Translation ] Mr. Denis Blanchette (Louis-Hébert, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I would like to begin by saying that I find the tone of today's debate regrettable.

After all, we are talking about democracy in Canada, how it should be implemented now and in the future and how it can be reformed. I am very disappointed to hear such partisan debate. I am especially interested in public awareness about the right to vote, and in raising awareness among young people in particular, since that segment of the population is the least likely to vote. It worries me to see that that education will be scrapped. After all, a government is elected for the future, not just the present.

I would like to hear my colleague's comments on the necessity and paramount importance of educating our youth about democratic rights.

(1035) The Speaker : The hon. member for Winnipeg North has just 30 seconds. [ English ] Mr. Kevin Lamoureux : Mr. Speaker, I sat on an election reform committee in the province of Manitoba and dealt with Elections Manitoba. We talked about how we could empower people to vote. We came up with ideas, such as allowing individuals to vote in malls, providing proper and adequate resources for advertising dollars, and so forth. We could have done many things with regard to the issue of empowerment and encouraging more people to vote.

I want to go back to the comments made by the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister because I am disappointed in them. I would suggest that he read the bill. If he wants to respect our— The Speaker : I am afraid the hon. member has run out of time. Resuming debate. The hon. member for Lanark--Frontenac--Lennox and Addington. Mr. Scott Reid (Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I want to return the attention of the House to some of the valuable aspects of this proposed piece of legislation, which would go a long way toward improving the quality of elections in this country.

Listening to some of the histrionics in what has been said earlier, one would think that Canada is a third world country in which elections are wildly abused. My hon. colleague for Guelph suggested that in 200 separate ridings there were investigations relating to people being misdirected to the wrong polling stations. If this were the tip of some giant iceberg, he would be right; we would be unfit to be considered a part of the family of developed and democratic nations. However, on its face, that is a ridiculous assertion.

One of the ridings the member was referring to was my riding, in which an allegation was made by at least one person phoning the Chief Electoral Officer, which is what actually accounts for the 200 different ridings. I do not know if the member is suggesting that my riding, where I defeated the Liberal candidate by more than a three-to-one margin and the NDP candidate by more than a two-to-one margin, was one in which our party was attempting to misdirect voters because we were afraid we would otherwise lose the seat.

If that is what he wants to assert, then he should come out and assert that, as opposed to using this sort of ridiculous innuendo and suggestion, when a clear counterfactual is the case. Let me deal with three real benefits to the new legislation. The first is a mandate to Elections Canada as to how it would direct its advertising revenue during and prior to writ periods. This is to be found in proposed

section 18 of the legislation. I will read this legislation and then comment on it. Proposed

section 18 would now read:

(1) The Chief Electoral Officer may provide the public, both inside and outside Canada, with information on the following topics only: (

a) how to become a candidate; (

b) how an elector may have their name added to a list of electors and may have corrections made to information respecting the electors on the list; (

c) how an elector may vote under

section 127 and the times, dates and locations of voting; (

d) how an elector may establish their identity and residence in order to vote, including the pieces of identification they may use to that end; and (

e) the measures for assisting electors with a disability to access a polling station or advance polling station to mark a ballot. Proposed subsection (2) of that

section says: The Chief Electoral Officer shall ensure that any information provided [above] is accessible to electors with disabilities. The Chief Electoral Officer has spent a great deal of money on advertising, but very little on these practical issues. This is despite the fact that many Canadians turn up at the polls, in some cases, as in a rural area, having driven a great distance, and discovering they do not have the necessary identification and are therefore unable to vote.

Or, they find themselves in a situation in which they cannot vote at an advance polling station because they were not on the voter's list. This is a real problem. I asked the Chief Electoral Officer in a meeting of the procedure and House affairs committee how big a problem there is with the voter's list. He hummed and hawed and did not want to answer the question. The answer is that there is a 20% rate of errors; one Canadian in five is not on the list or is on the list in the wrong way. That is a problem. This legislation is designed to help people correct these problems for themselves.

They can get on the list. They can find out how to vote. They can find out the methods available to them with whatever disability they may have, be it a mobility impairment, a visual disability, etcetera. The CEO has to put in an effort to find out how to get those pieces of information to those communities, which is a challenge. I might add that this challenge has attracted no interest from the CEO until now, but now he will have to do that. That is a good thing. Secondly, I want to talk a bit about voter identification and the issue of fraud.

We have put in a lot of effort in this Parliament, and the previous one, into designing legislation in order to reduce electoral fraud. One of the key reasons this electoral fraud can exist is because Elections Canada has had to loosen the criteria for allowing people to vote and to identify themselves, given that Elections Canada has done such an unsatisfactory job in determining who is actually permitted to vote.

(1040) Mr. Speaker, I have just been passed a note. I am supposed to remind you that I am splitting my time with the member for Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale and not, despite his helpful suggestion, the member for Malpeque . He no doubt will have fascinating things to say when his time comes. The situation with voter identification is a mess in Canada. We recently had a case adjudicated between the current member of Parliament for Etobicoke Centre and the former member. They were disputing whether people had voted validly in the election.

In the end, the Supreme Court of Canada decided in favour of the present Conservative member and against the former Liberal member in that case. What was striking was that the issues revolved entirely around problems associated with voter identification, with the fact that people were not on the list properly. It all could have been resolved with better rules. Bill C-23 attempts to provide some of those rules.

One of the things that the bill would do is to specify that the voter identification card sent to a voter by the Chief Electoral Officer may not be used as a piece of identification for the purpose of voting. That is stated in proposed subsection 143(2.1): The Chief Electoral Officer may authorize types of identification for the purposes of [voting]. For greater certainty, any document—other than a notice of confirmation of registration...may be authorized. Why is this important? Let me give an example. My name is Scott Jeffrey Reid. In the 2004 election, I received three voter ID cards at my address.

One was addressed to Scott Reid, one to Jeffrey Reid, and one to Scott Jeffrey Reid. Of course, all three voters are me. I can legally vote at the returning office at almost any point during the writ period. I can vote at the advance poll. I can vote on election day, in my case at a school near my house. I could have gone to all three of those places and voted, and there would be no record. They would take the voter ID card, but there would be no record that I had voted in multiple places.

I raised this matter with the former chief electoral officer, Jean-Pierre Kingsley, when he appeared before the procedure and House affairs committee. I said that this was not a very effective kind of identification. He responded that given the fact that I could go to these multiple places and engage in fraudulent voting anyway, what did it matter? I think that is not a very satisfactory response. Attempting to bring the issue of identification under control is very important. The elimination of vouching is a very important aspect of that.

I want to bring attention to, arguably, one of the most important aspects of the bill, which is the rule that from now on when the Chief Electoral Officer makes a ruling as to how the law is to be interpreted—and in some areas the law is ambiguous and will be found to be ambiguous in the future—he must apply the same rules to everyone. When we listen to the other side talking about the in-and-out scandal, they mean that a practice that was legal at the time was found afterwards by the Chief Electoral Officer, retrospectively, to be illegal in the preceding election.

However, it was not found to be illegal in the election preceding that one, in which the other parties, not the Conservatives, had engaged in the practice. If we engage in that kind of retrospective ruling, we create a very unfair, unlevel playing field. That can no longer happen. No longer can retrospective rulings be imposed, and no longer can a ruling be imposed that does not apply universally. A compliance agreement under the law is where a party violates the law. The New Democrats did this when they allowed sponsored advertising at their national convention, thereby allowing union contributions.

It must be made public. They cannot keep it secret. When it is kept secret there cannot be precedents developed. There is no guarantee that the law will be enforced equally. That is a huge step forward. It is astonishing that Elections Canada did not undertake this on its own without encouragement from outside. However, having failed to do so, it will not be required to do so, and that is a very good thing.

(1045) Mr. Mathieu Ravignat (Pontiac, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I cannot think of anything more fundamental that we can do as parliamentarians than when we begin to change electoral laws. It is fundamental to our democracy. One of the reasons I sought to be elected was that our democracy is fragile, and its legitimacy is also fragile. There is a lot of cynicism about the democratic process, and we need to address that. One of the ways we can address that is through electoral reform, ensuring that more Canadians can participate and that they want to participate.

I am personally concerned about those who have difficulties registering as voters. I have two first nations in my riding, and levels of poverty, and those individuals may have difficulties registering in their current state. I wonder whether the government has addressed this problem and what its strategy is to ensure that all Canadians, particularly my constituents, can vote. Mr. Scott Reid : Mr. Speaker, if I may say, I did not agree with the first part of the question. I do not believe that the legitimacy of democracy in Canada is fragile, or indeed that our democracy itself is fragile.

We are, with the exception of the United Kingdom, the United States, and Switzerland, the longest functioning democracy in the world, so I would disagree with the hon. member's question. If by that he meant it could be perfected and that there is much work we could do, then I think he is right. I think what he really meant is contained in his reference to electoral reform. There are strong arguments to be made that certain kinds of reforms, such as the method by which we are elected, might improve things. My own preference would be for the alternative ballot, which is what is used in Australia.

However, I think that point is well taken. With regard to voter registration, the member is mixing his terms. In the United States, there is voter registration. An individual has to actually register as a voter in order to vote. They have to go through the process of registration. There was a restriction on registration for African-Americans, for decades, but particularly when it came to a head in the 1960s. It was a severe civil rights problem. Let me be clear. He is talking about enumeration problems.

The way to solve enumeration, in my opinion, especially when there are rapidly mobile populations or multiple people coming of age, is to have more on the ground enumeration that is administered by Elections Canada. Hon. Wayne Easter (Malpeque, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I listened closely to what the member for Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington had to say. He said at the beginning of his remarks that there are valuable assets in this legislation. No one is denying that.

The problem is that in the broad approach to the legislation, the ability of the Chief Electoral Officer, as we would say in farm terms, is having his or her legs cut out from under them. Their ability to do their job on overall elections concerns is being taken away from them. The good things in the bill are being nullified by the damage that is being done to the Chief Electoral Officer.

If the Commissioner of Elections Canada is no longer appointed by the Chief Electoral Officer, who is appointed and accountable to Parliament, and instead would be a government appointee through the Director of Public Prosecutions, then that kills the whole ability for the Chief Electoral Officer to do the job of finding the many things that have been found in elections since 2006. That is the problem. The assets are nullified by the broad approach that the government is taking in destroying the ability of the Chief Electoral Officer to do his job. Would the member not agree?

(1050) Mr. Scott Reid : Mr. Speaker, I would not agree at all. The Director of Public Prosecutions, of course, is a public official. No one questions his integrity. He was appointed in the same way, and indeed most public officials at the highest level are appointed in this way. There is no inherent problem with the process itself. It is my understanding that when the bill goes through the same individual would continue to be commissioner of elections. I do not think there is any suggestion that somehow his integrity would be compromised by that change. However, he would be in the right office.

He would be a prosecutor, someone who is officiating and prosecuting in a prosecutorial office. The investigatory and administrative arm of Elections Canada would be kept separate from the prosecution. This is the same practice that allows us to separate, at this level, the Parliament of Canada, which is legislative, from the executive part of government. This should happen here too. Mr. David Sweet (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am proud to rise today to debate Bill C-23, the fair elections act , which would make it easier to vote and harder to break the law.

It is a bill that would close loopholes to big money and give law enforcement sharper teeth, a longer reach, and a freer hand. This bill is another step in the proud legacy of Canadian democracy. Step by step and generation by generation, Canadians have fine-tuned their electoral practices and procedures to make our system more representative, more responsible, and fairer. I am delighted today to discuss the steps our government is proposing to improve the fairness of Canada's elections and how the rules are enforced.

The fair elections act is a comprehensive bill designed to protect the integrity of federal elections in Canada by making the rules clearer, by reducing the influence of big money, and by giving real strength to the authorities that enforce the rules. This bill would assure Canadian citizens that their votes count. Their votes and their contributions will not be nullified by the actions of cheaters who try to take advantage of loopholes in rules.

The contributions of ordinary citizens will also not be diluted by the presence of big money from special interests or individuals who have been able to funnel great wealth into political campaign financing through existing loopholes. Let me emphasize this. The bill before us would strengthen the penalties against those who abuse the system. When Canadians are cheated out of their votes through fraudulent acts or the system is abused when votes that had no right to be cast are counted, the integrity of democracy itself is put into question.

Sadly, we have seen too many incidents in which that integrity and the strength of the foundation have been questioned. The fundamental right of a citizen is the right to vote. One might even call it a responsibility to vote, or a duty to vote. It is a right, a responsibility, and a duty that was earned in blood during the world wars and during the constant vigilance to maintain freedom and the rule of law in the decades since then. However, the voter turnout numbers tell us a different story. A generation ago, a large majority of voters went to the polls.

In 1988, for example, 75% of eligible voters cast their ballots, or about 4 out of 5 voters. In the most recent election, in 2011, that number had dropped to 61%, or about 3 out of 5 voters. Most troubling is the decline in voter turnout for youth aged 18 to 24. The bill before us introduces a series of amendments designed to restore confidence in the electoral system and provide voters with the assurance that their votes will count.

It would introduce a response to changes in technology that have provided challenges that previous generations did not face, but which, if left unacknowledged, could undermine confidence in the integrity of our electoral system. This bill would give enforcement powers that send clear signals that cheating the system will not be tolerated. Let me provide the House with an overview of what this bill contains. I will leave it for my colleagues to provide further information on the precise details. Broadly speaking, this bill would bring fairness to Canada's federal election in eight areas.

First, it would protect voters from rogue calls and political impostors. There have been serious allegations that telephone and telemarketing technologies have been abused in past elections, and we are taking steps to put a halt to the practice. The bill would establish a mandatory public registry, administered by the CRTC, for those who want to use robocall technology. At the same time, it would provide prison time for those who abuse the technology, including those who impersonate election officials. It would increase penalties for those who deceive people out of their votes, plain and simple.

Second, this bill would give law enforcement sharper teeth, a longer reach, and a freer hand. By sharper teeth, I mean that it would allow the commissioner of elections to seek tougher penalties for existing offences. A longer reach means empowering the commissioner with more than a dozen new offences to combat big money, rogue calls, and fraudulent voting. A freer hand means that the commissioner would have full independence, with control of his or her staff and investigations, and a fixed term of seven years. Third, this bill would keep big money out of politics.

It would prevent the use of loans to evade donation rules, and it would allow parties to fund democratic outreach with small increases in spending limits while imposing tougher audits and penalties to enforce those limits. It would make it easier for small donors to contribute more to democracy through the front door and harder for illegal big money to sneak in through the back door.

(1055) Fourth, the bill before us would crack down on voter fraud. It would prohibit the use of vouching and voter identification cards as replacements for acceptable identification papers. Elections Canada has found irregularities in the use of vouching and a high rate of inaccuracy in the National Register of Electors, which is used to create the voter information cards. I think my colleague earlier made this very clear with the example of his own personal situation. The bill would put a stop to the potential for these irregularities. Fifth, the measures in the bill would make the rules easy to follow.

Members on all sides of the House have complained that the current rules can be unclear. Complicated rules lead to unintentional breaches and intimidate everyday people from taking a more active

part in democracy. The bill would make the rules for elections clearer, predictable, and easy to follow. In a fashion similar to the service provided by Revenue Canada, parties would have the right to advance rulings and

interpretations from Elections Canada, which would keep a registry of

interpretations and provide consultation with and notice to parties before changing any of these

interpretations. Sixth, the bill would enable the system to respect democratic election results. When members of Parliament and the Chief Electoral Officer disagree on an item on an MP's election expense return, the act would make it clear that MPs are able to present the disputed case in the courts before they are deemed ineligible to sit and vote as an MP. Seventh, the bill would uphold free speech by repealing the ban on the premature transmission of election results. In the Internet age, this is as much a reflection of reality as anything else.

Finally, the bill before us would bring better service to voters, while focusing Elections Canada advertising on the basics of voting: where, when, and what ID to bring. It would explicitly require Elections Canada to inform voters with disabilities of the extra provisions available to help them vote. Those are eight key areas in which we can build the democratic ideals that our country is known for around the world; the ideals that our soldiers in two world wars and since then have so sacrificed for.

I have served on the international human rights subcommittee of this House and listened to the testimonies of victims of various regimes in other countries that our freedom, democracy, and human rights are a big part of what makes Canada great. Many people from across the political spectrum have underscored the importance of reforming our electoral laws and restoring confidence in Canada's democracy. I am confident they agree with me that these reforms are needed before Canadians return to the polls next year.

In fact, the bill would implement 38 of the recommendations that the Chief Electoral Officer made in his report on the 40th general election, which was tabled in 2010. I urge hon. members— The Speaker : It is time for statements by members. The member will have two minutes left to conclude his speech after question period. Statements by members, the hon. member for Richmond Hill.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS Statements by Members [ English ] Citizenship and Immigration Mr. Costas Menegakis (Richmond Hill, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, yesterday our government unveiled the first comprehensive reform of the Citizenship Act since 1977. Bill C-24 , the strengthening Canadian citizenship act, would increase the efficiency of the citizenship program, reinforce the value of citizenship, and combat fraud. It would promote Canada's interests by honouring those who serve Canada, and it would protect Canadians from foreign criminals and those who pose a threat to our national security.

As Canadians, we understand the value and sacredness of citizenship. This bill encourages new Canadians to form a stronger attachment to Canada and to embrace Canadian values and traditions and the Canadian way of life. We have welcomed 1.4 million new Canadian citizens since our Conservative government took office. We have welcomed more families and more permanent residents, and we continue to attract the world's most talented and innovative immigrants to Canada. I encourage all members of the House to support this very important piece of legislation.

(1100) Foreign Affairs Hon. Jim Karygiannis (Scarborough—Agincourt, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, I want to express my concerns regarding the frequent ceasefire violations along the border of Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan. These incidents have resulted in the tragic loss of life. Recently, an Armenian soldier, Armen Hovhannisyan, was shot and killed by Azeri troops. At present, the envoys of the Minsk Group of countries are visiting the region and these violations serve only to complicate their work.

As we are on the eve of a meeting of the foreign affairs ministers of Azerbaijan and Armenia in Paris, it is essential that both sides exercise restraint and control of their militaries to ensure a productive atmosphere for this meeting and for the important work of the Minsk Group. Canada has always been, and will continue to be, a supporter of peace talks between the parties. The OSCE Minsk Group should be the only venue for the resolution of this conflict.

I am asking that we work to ensure that no future aggressive actions, such as the recent one by the Azeri military along the border, take place so that negotiations toward peace can continue constructively.

The Economy Ms. Linda Duncan (Edmonton—Strathcona, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, next week the government will table a new budget. The Conservatives claim their priority is economic prosperity and job creation, but economic prosperity for whom, in whose interests, and for which economic sectors? What Canadians want and deserve are policies and investments that foster job creation and business development in the communities and across sectors—in other words, economic diversity.

Two sectors meriting greater attention and offering huge potential are the clean energy and energy efficiency sector and first nation energy enterprises. Last month's International Indigenous Energy Summit, organized by the Calgary-based Indian Resource Council's National Energy Business Centre of Excellence, showcased inspiring models of investment ingenuity. Successful wind power, solar, run-of-river, geothermal, and biofuel projects are providing cleaner and more reliable energy sources for first nations and neighbouring communities, quality jobs, training, and dollars for expanded local enterprises.

The choice is clear. The federal government can stick to the same old narrow path or embrace economic strategy for a cleaner, sustainable, more economically diverse Canada.

Winter Olympic Games Mr. Earl Dreeshen (Red Deer, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to recognize some extraordinary individuals from my great riding of Red Deer. On February 15, I will have the pleasure to celebrate the 100th birthday of Bill Wagstaff from Elnora. He has always been active and involved in our community and a great supporter of young people. Along with his family and friends, I look forward to celebrating his remarkable life. Bill will be cheering alongside other central Albertans as we celebrate our local athletes at the XXII Olympic Winter Games.

Zina Kocher will once again be competing in biathlon for Canada. We are also cheering for speed skater Danielle Wotherspoon-Gregg; Matthew Rowley, also from Red Deer; and Atsuko Tanaka, from Calgary. Both train in Red Deer as ski jumpers. We will once again be cheering for Lyndon Rush, who is back on the bobsled for Canada after winning a medal in Vancouver, along with Mellisa Hollingsworth, who is competing in her third Olympics in skeleton. Central Albertans are proud of these athletes, and we wish all of them the best of luck in Sochi.

Ukraine Mr. Rick Dykstra (St. Catharines, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the Government of Canada supports the advancement of democracy and human rights around the world. Since November, Ukrainians have been demonstrating across their country for the right to democratically decide the future of their nation. They have been met with violent repression and deplorable treatment by their own government. Canada has already taken measures that show our support for the people of Ukraine, and we will continue to stand by them during this tumultuous time.

As the situation unfolds and Ukraine moves forward in the struggle for democratic reform, we are reminded that issues of democracy, human rights, freedom, and the rule of law are issues that transcend party lines. In the coming days, we will be forging action plans to deal with the developments in Ukraine, and I hope that all members will continue to come together to contribute to a solution that promotes democracy and the safeguarding of individual freedoms for all of those in Ukraine.

(1105) [ Translation ] Entrepreurship in Granby Mr. Réjean Genest (Shefford, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, PRINOTH, a Granby company, dominates the North American snow grooming equipment market. With a $20 million contract for 62 snow groomers, the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi are a high-profile international project for this Canadian manufacturer. From the very beginning, PRINOTH has been synonymous with the highest quality vehicles. With over half a century of experience, PRINOTH continues to develop and perfect the drive wheel system invented by Bombardier in 1935. PRINOTH groomers are considered the best in the world.

The Granby facility employs no less than 350 workers, and 60 more are in charge of North American sales and distribution. We are very proud of this local company.

[ English ] Elections in Thailand Hon. Deepak Obhrai (Calgary East, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, Canada and Thailand have enjoyed warm relations. Thailand held parliamentary elections this past Sunday. Despite actions by anti-government protestors intent on derailing the polls and the political process, 47% of Thailand's 43 million eligible voters came out to exercise their right to choose who will govern them. This sends a strong message to all political parties, the military, and the election commission that the people of Thailand value their right to vote.

The actions of protestors to block voters and prevent polling stations from opening are a cause of concern for Canada. It is worth noting the restraint shown by the Thai government, the military, and other authorities, which ensured mass-scale violence was averted and skirmishes and disruptions were kept to a minimum. We now call upon the opposition to return to the talks and on the election commission to ensure the electoral process is carried out fully and expeditiously. That is the overwhelming desire of the Thai people and also of Canada.

The Environment Mrs. Kelly Block (Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, last Friday the U.S. State Department released its final supplementary environmental impact statement on the environmental effects of Keystone XL. This is the fifth environmental study that has been undertaken for this project. The state department study demonstrates once again what we on this side of the House have known for a long time and what so many of those in opposition feared: that the Keystone XL pipeline would not have a significant impact on the environment.

Would it not be great if the opposition members would stop campaigning against Canadian jobs and the Canadian economy? Rather than accepting the scientific basis of this report, the New Democrats have once again put ideology before science. The benefits of the Keystone XL pipeline project are clear. It is time for all members in this House to support this project, which will create thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in economic activity.

[ Translation ] VIA Rail Mr. Yvon Godin (Acadie—Bathurst, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, on January 24, 2014, the Province of New Brunswick and CN announced a total investment of $55 million to upgrade the tracks between Campbellton and Moncton. The federal Conservative government was notably absent. At the same press conference, it was also announced that the line between Miramichi and Bathurst would be eliminated, which is nothing to celebrate. To save passenger rail service in eastern New Brunswick and Quebec, VIA Rail and the government need to invest $10 million.

VIA Rail says it does not have the money and is considering using CN tracks in the western part of the province. According to CBC, this option would cost $50 million for the purchase of new land and to build new stations, and 50% of passengers would be lost. The government says its hands are tied, since VIA Rail is a crown corporation, even though it has invested in VIA in the past. What is $10 million to maintain train service from coast to coast? I encourage everyone to sign the petition I have launched to maintain the rail line between Miramichi and Bathurst.

[ English ] Canadian Armed Forces Mr. Rick Norlock (Northumberland—Quinte West, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, in December, at CFB Trenton, I welcomed back members of the Disaster Assistance Response Team after the completion of their 40-day deployment to the Philippines to provide humanitarian assistance following Typhoon Haiyan, and we let them know how proud Canadians are of them. Then in January, at CFB Trenton, I welcomed back 88 troops from Afghanistan. These soldiers served for several months in Operation Attention, Canada's contribution to the NATO training mission in Afghanistan.

About 100 members of the Canadian Armed Forces are still serving in Afghanistan, and they will be returning home in March 2014 upon the conclusion of Operation Attention. On this red Friday, and every day, we thank our Canadian men and women in uniform for their bravery and willingness to serve, both internationally and at home.

(1110) [ Translation ] Winter Olympics Games Mr. Nathan Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate all of our athletes who are proudly representing Canada at the Winter Olympics that are starting in Sochi today. After so many years of training, hard work and effort, the time has come for our athletes to fully enjoy the Olympic experience. Congratulations to all the athletes and their families. On behalf of all my NDP colleagues, I wish the athletes the best of luck.

With their determination and courage, our brave athletes are role models for all of us. [ English ] New Democrats hope that these games will be inclusive, safe, and respectful of human rights, promoting the shared Canadian and Olympic values of justice and respect for all. Canadians across the country will be glued to their televisions to witness what will certainly be many memorable moments. New Democrats join with our colleagues in this House in saying “Go, Canada, go”.

Winter Olympics Games Mr. James Bezan (Selkirk—Interlake, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the opening ceremonies have just started in Sochi, and I want to acknowledge some remarkable Manitobans who will be going for gold in these 22nd Winter Olympic Games. Megan Imrie of Falcon Lake will complete in the biathlon event. Brittany Schussler will give it her all in long track speed skating. Canada's women's curling team will be proudly represented by Winnipeg's own Dawn McEwan, Jill Officer, Kaitlyn Lawes, and Jennifer Jones. Jocelyne Laroque of Ste.

Anne will compete in her first Olympic games as a member of the women's hockey team. Jonathan Toews will also be helping Canada defend our gold medal in hockey. On behalf of all Manitobans and indeed all of Canada, I wish all our athletes good luck as they represent our country and remind us of what we can achieve as Canadians. Go, Canada, go!

Winter Olympic Games Mr. Frank Valeriote (Guelph, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, today marks the beginning of the 22nd Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, Russia, which will see thousands of athletes from 88 nations come together to participate in nearly 100 events to see who may fulfill the Olympic motto of “Faster, higher, stronger”. From the opening ceremonies today right through to the closing ceremonies on February 23, Canadian athletes from coast to coast to coast will take

part in these games in the spirit of not just competition in athletic excellence but friendship, multiculturalism, and inclusion across race, creed, and orientation. All the way, the folks back here at home will be right there with them, if not in body then in spirit, as we cheer on our Olympians. I join with all members in this House in wishing our athletes and athletes participating from all over the world a happy and safe Winter Olympics. We cannot wait until our athletes return home, their luggage just a little bit heavier from the weight of their medals.

Veterans Affairs Mr. Ben Lobb (Huron—Bruce, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, our government remains committed to serving the Canadians who served us. I would like to share a story from Stan Kenyon, a 95-year-old World War II veteran from Brantford, Ontario. He recently stated in a local Brantford newspaper: I am getting all of the benefits I need, I always have, and I've never once been to an office. Someone either comes to my home to see what I need or I get a letter in the mail. This is exactly what Canadians and veterans expect, and I thank Mr. Kenyon for his contribution to Canada. It is an honour to serve him.

I also thank the member for Brant , who sits right beside me, for his hard work on behalf of veterans in his riding and across this country.

[ Translation ] Democratic Reform Mr. Alain Giguère (Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, when Canadians demanded changes to the Canada Elections Act, they were wanting to ensure that there would not be a repeat of the Conservatives's fraudulent calls, the in and out scheme and the sectoral financing schemes in Quebec. Elections Canada needed more power, not less. The government was supposed to encourage more voter participation, not try to suppress it. It should have encouraged young people and the first nations to vote, not try to suppress their right to vote.

The Conservatives chose to introduce an election bill tailor made to help and protect the Conservative Party. Now, investigations on Canada Elections Act infractions will be dealt with by the Director of Public Prosecutions, who reports to a Conservative minister. Election rules are not like a plant that can be uprooted whenever they want. Canadians deserve better than a government that attacks the Chief Electoral Officer just because he took the Conservatives to court. Electoral legislation is not meant to make cheating easier.

(1115) [ English ] Career Colleges Mr. Corneliu Chisu (Pickering—Scarborough East, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the office of the Liberal leader attacked millions of middle-class Canadians, unfairly criticizing career colleges and those who attend them. While the Liberal leader's office writes off career colleges, the facts are that it is because of the hundreds of extremely valuable career colleges that Canada remains one of the most educated nations in the world. The average Canadian attending a career college is looking to make a better life. Many of the students have families.

They are looking to get trained for the in-demand jobs of this economy. Our Conservative government understands this. That is why we are working on initiatives such as the Canada jobs grant to ensure skills training actually leads to a guaranteed job and employers are putting more money into equipping Canadians for available jobs. The out-of-touch elitists in the Liberal Party leader's office should be ashamed of themselves.

ORAL QUESTIONS Oral Questions [ English ] Democratic Reform Ms. Libby Davies (Vancouver East, NDP) : Mr. Speaker,

section 18 of the Canada Elections Act states: The Chief Electoral Officer may, using any...means that he or she considers appropriate, provide the public...with information relating to Canada’s electoral process, the democratic right to vote and how to be a candidate. The Conservatives are removing that section. This bill was supposed to target widespread election fraud during the last election, so why are they using it to stop the CEO from talking to the media? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the hon. member has made a factual error in her question.

Section 18 of the existing act deals with promotional advertising by Elections Canada and has absolutely nothing to do with communicating allegations of wrongdoing. Sections 534 and 535, not

section 18, require the CEO to report to the House of Commons on electoral events and any matters that arise from them. These automatically become public and the fair elections act does not change that. Furthermore, the CEO will still have the ability to report any allegations he wishes to the commissioner, who has a legal responsibility to enforce the act. Ms. Libby Davies (Vancouver East, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the minister should read his actual bill, not the imaginary one that he uses to— Some hon. members: Oh, oh! The Speaker : Order, please. The hon. member for Vancouver East has the floor. Ms.

Libby Davies : Mr. Speaker, when we look at the actual bill, it does limit the Chief Electoral Officer's access to the media. Clause 7 of the bill severely limits what the CEO can talk about. For example, the minister is banning the head of Elections Canada from talking about the state of Canada's voting system. Why are the Conservatives using this bill to put a gag order on Elections Canada? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, clause 7 amends

section 18, which has absolutely nothing to do with the reporting of allegations of wrongdoing.

Section 18 deals with advertising. The last time I checked, Elections Canada does not combat or report allegations by purchasing advertising. It reports allegations to the House of Commons, something that is not only allowed under the fair elections act but will continue to be required of it. Furthermore, the CEO will still have the legal ability to report any allegations to the chief investigator, who is the Commissioner of Canada Elections. Ms. Libby Davies (Vancouver East, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, let us be clear.

Under the government's law, the Chief Electoral Officer's scrum outside committee yesterday would now be illegal. That is ridiculous. Potential voters with no fixed address or government-issued ID will now find it harder to vote. First nations, young people, and lower income Canadians will be hurt. Elections Canada is banned from doing public outreach aimed at encouraging more people to vote. Why are the Conservatives using changes to the elections act to make it harder for people to vote? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, in fact, we are making it easier to vote by giving them an extra voting day and allowing resources to reduce congestion at the polls so that voting is faster for Canadians. Furthermore, we are requiring Elections Canada to communicate to people the basics of voting, where, when, and what ID to bring, and to inform disabled people of the special tools available to help them vote. All of the data show that these are the main obstacles to voting.

We are going to remove these obstacles by focusing Elections Canada's advertising on the basics of voting and providing better customer service to voters. (1120) [ Translation ] Mrs. Sadia Groguhé (Saint-Lambert, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the new bill allows local election campaign organizations to collect money from donors who have contributed at least $20 in the past without that counting as an election expense. However, this clause is impossible to apply because Elections Canada does not keep a list of donors who have contributed between $20 and $200.

What makes the Conservatives think that they will be able to enforce this clause of the bill? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the limits in question in the bill seek to limit the amount of money spent on election campaigns and not the amount of money spent on fundraising in the first place. That is a reasonable change. In fact, that same rule applied during the Liberal Party leadership race. This is not new. It will be clearly indicated in the law. Mrs. Sadia Groguhé (Saint-Lambert, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the minister is not very convincing.

The reality is that the exemption clause favours the Conservative Party. The former chief electoral officer is against this measure. He maintains that this is a roundabout way of raising the limit on election spending. Obviously, this measure was introduced after a number of Conservative members and ministers were found guilty of exceeding the spending limit. Does the Conservative government realize that this measure is leaving the door wide open to abuse? [ English ] Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Quite the contrary, Mr.

Speaker, the former electoral officer in fact gave the bill an overall A minus, which is pretty good, I think. The bill will actually now go to committee after the vote next week, at which point, we can work hard with the former CEO, many expert witnesses, and all parliamentarians to turn that A minus into an A plus.

[ Translation ] The Budget Mr. Marc Garneau (Westmount—Ville-Marie, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, the IMF predicts that Canada's economic growth rate will be lower than the combined growth rate of the G7 in the next four years. The last time this happened for four consecutive years was under the Mulroney Conservatives. The IMF also says that the government has some flexibility in how it makes investments if it really wants to improve the economy. Given all the challenges facing the middle class, will this government really table a budget that contains no new investments? [ English ] Mr.

Andrew Saxton (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, if the member opposite had actually taken the time to read the report, he would have seen that the IMF speaks strongly of Canada's economic performance. As the report clearly states, “...the IMF expects growth to accelerate above potential in 2014”. Furthermore, the IMF praised our government's economic and fiscal management. In fact, it said, “Executive directors commended the authorities for their continued sound macroeconomic and financial sector management”. Clearly, our plan is working.

In fact, just today, Statistics Canada announced that another 29,400 net new jobs were created in January.

Mr. Marc Garneau (Westmount—Ville-Marie, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, we know that the government created a big deficit and is now obsessed with eliminating it. However, middle-class households are struggling right now. In fact, household debt has increased 75% in the eight years the government has been in power. It is now almost 100% of GDP. Families owe $1.64 for every $1 they earn. In light of this, is the government really planning to table a budget that would do nothing for middle-class families? Mr. Andrew Saxton (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, we clearly do not want Canadians to be over-extended. We have cautioned Canadians repeatedly that interest rates are now at an all-time low and will inevitably increase. Our priority is ensuring that Canadians can make informed financial decisions. Unlike the Liberals, who have voted against every piece of consumer protection legislation our government has introduced, we have taken concrete action to help Canadians better manage their money. (1125) [ Translation ] Mr. Marc Garneau (Westmount—Ville-Marie, Lib.) : Mr.

Speaker, we know that this government is obsessed with eliminating the huge deficit that it itself created. However, middle-class families are still struggling under the Conservatives. Household debt has gone up 75% in the eight long years under the Conservative government. The national debt is almost 100% of our GDP and families owe $1.64 for every dollar they earn. Why is this government planning another budget that will do nothing for middle-class families? [ English ] Mr. Andrew Saxton (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, Canada has the lowest debt-to-GDP ratio of any G7 country by far. As I mentioned, we have taken concrete action to help Canadians better manage their money. We introduced credit card reforms to ensure that Canadians have access to important information. We strengthened mortgage rules to protect Canadians buying a home. We cut taxes and created the tax-free savings account, the most successful savings account in Canadian history. Over 9 million Canadians now take advantage of it. To encourage Canadians to save for their future, we created a financial literacy leader to oversee our progress.

It is about time the Liberals get on side and support our successful policies.

Democratic Reform Ms. Chris Charlton (Hamilton Mountain, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the Minister of State for Democratic Reform bizarrely claimed that giving the unelected and undemocratic Senate a veto over electronic voting was “...the best way to ensure the integrity of our electoral system.” Why does the minister think that the Senate, which was created before the invention of the telephone and is exempt from ever facing voters, should have a veto on electronic voting? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, the NDP was not even able to run an electronic voting system for a thousand delegates at its convention. It shut down the entire convention for three or four hours. If that were to happen in a national election, imagine what kind of national crisis we would have. The change in the fair elections act is to require that the CEO of Elections Canada at least secures the support of Parliament before he experiments with risky new methods of voting. Ms. Chris Charlton (Hamilton Mountain, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the Senate does not even believe in having television in its own house.

Instead of giving the democratically elected House of Commons the ability to decide if an e-voting pilot project is worthwhile, the Minister of State for Democratic Reform has handed a veto to the unelected, undemocratic Senate. It is not as if Elections Canada would be able to unilaterally change how voting works. That is a power the minister reserves for himself. Why is the minister hell bent on giving this veto power to the unelected, undemocratic Senate? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I commend the member to read the Canada Elections Act.

In fact, the pilot project provision in the existing act allows the CEO to experiment with different methods of voting after consulting only the parliamentary committees responsible for that, which include, under the status quo, the Senate committee responsible for it. So there is already a Senate committee that oversees it. What I am proposing in the fair elections act is that before the CEO experiments with risky methods of voting, we at least allow parliamentarians to consider whether those methods are safe. Ms. Chris Charlton (Hamilton Mountain, NDP) : Mr.

Speaker, the Conservative majority in the unelected, unaccountable Senate has no legitimate role to play in deciding how MPs are elected. The Minister of State for Democratic Reform has made a number of bizarre claims in recent days, including implying that voter participation has declined because of efforts by Elections Canada to educate the public. Does the minister have any evidence to support this claim, or does he really not understand the difference between coincidence and causality? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, I am the only who has actually presented any data on the question at all. First of all, I presented the fact that since Elections Canada started its promotional campaigns, the voter turnout has plummeted by roughly 15 percentage points. Among youth, between 1984 and 2000 it dropped by 20 percentage points. When we look at Elections Canada's own data, the principle reasons why Canadians do not vote are practical ones. They either do not have time or they are out of town, and many of them do not know of the many different opportunities they have to cast a ballot before elections day.

The fair elections act would require Elections Canada to give this basic information to voters so they have an opportunity to cast their ballots. (1130) [ Translation ] Ms. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (Alfred-Pellan, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister of State for Democratic Reform said that the decline in voter participation, which has fallen from 75% to 61% over the past few years, is due to Elections Canada advertising. That is the faulty logic he used to justify taking away Elections Canada's right to advertise. Can he prove that Elections Canada ads prevented people from going to the polls? Hon.

Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the NDP has provided no evidence that Elections Canada ad campaigns work. Where is their data? They have not shown us anything to prove that. [ English ] I have demonstrated through the publicly available facts that not only are the publicity campaigns of Elections Canada failing, but also that one of the reasons why Canadians are not voting is that they do not have the basic information on how they can vote, for example, in advance ballots.

We would require that Elections Canada focus its advertising on those important matters. [ Translation ] Ms. Rosane Doré Lefebvre (Alfred-Pellan, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I do not think the minister understands the difference between correlation and causation, but that is not the only thing the minister is confused about. Under this bill, the Commissioner of Canada Elections will have to answer to the Director of Public Prosecutions, who is appointed by none other than the Attorney General of Canada, who is a government minister.

Why not set it up so that the investigative branch is accountable to the legislative branch, not the executive? [ English ] Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the NDP obviously does not know how the Director of Public Prosecutions is named. First of all, there is a committee that has representation from every single recognized party in the House of Commons, including the NDP. Then there are two independent, non-partisan public servants from the public safety department and justice department.

They all recommend names, which are ultimately approved by a committee of Parliament. Furthermore, the Director of Public Prosecutions can only be fired by a vote of Parliament, which, incidentally, is the same method that applies to all officers of Parliament. [ Translation ] Ms. Ève Péclet (La Pointe-de-l'Île, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, despite what the Minister of State for Democratic Reform would have us believe, the power to compel witnesses to appear does exist in our system. Parliamentary committees and even the Competition Bureau have this right.

Why does the minister not think it is necessary to give the Commissioner of Canada Elections this power? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, even police officers investigating the most reprehensible crimes do not have the power the hon. member is referring to. Even for violent crimes, police officers do not have this power. The commissioner already has the same investigative powers as police officers and the RCMP, and we are giving the commissioner additional powers by prohibiting people from obstructing investigations and lying to investigators. Ms.

Ève Péclet (La Pointe-de-l'Île, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, we already know that this bill will pave the way for the return of big money to our electoral system. One proposal that is a little strange would allow candidates to give more money to themselves, and that amount will be higher than what another Canadian can donate. How does the minister justify the clause that allows candidates to donate $5,000 to themselves, which is three times the maximum that other people can give? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, when we introduced a bill prohibiting the use of other people's names to get around donation limits, the other parties said that this would prevent candidates from launching their own campaigns. We are therefore going to allow candidates to give themselves enough money to get their campaign off the ground. After that, all donations collected must be under the donation limit. [ English ] Mr. Dennis Bevington (Western Arctic, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, in 2002, Conservatives supported the NDP's call to make financial documents from political parties available upon request.

They even agreed to our motion to make this happen. Currently, while local candidates must make every last receipt and claim public, which is good, political parties only have to release summaries. Why do Conservatives not want Canadians to see spending details in their campaigns?

(1135) Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, it is quite the contrary. The fair elections act creates new provisions that would require political parties to be subjected to tougher external compliance audits before they can be reimbursed. Furthermore, the CEO has the power to ask parties to provide financial information, and he can also refuse to provide millions of dollars in campaign reimbursements to those same parties until they comply with his request. [ Translation ] Mr. Jonathan Genest-Jourdain (Manicouagan, NDP) : Mr.

Speaker, when the Minister of State for Democratic Reform runs in the next election, he will have to register all of his expenses and remember to include all receipts. Why does he think this rule need not apply to the Conservative Party of Canada? What is he trying to hide and why does he want to protect his party? Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, on the contrary, our bill requires that political parties be subject to independent audits to show that they have obeyed the rules and that every penny is counted.

At the same time, the Chief Electoral Officer has the power to ask the parties for more details before they are reimbursed.

[ English ] Citizenship and Immigration Ms. Kirsty Duncan (Etobicoke North, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, since 2007, wait times for citizenship applicants have doubled from 15 to 31 months, and the department admits it is because of the government's own funding decisions. Now it is tripling the fee to apply to be a citizen. The government is simply punishing those who wish to become Canadians, for its own mistakes. How can the government justify these fee hikes while service standards have dropped so drastically? Mr. Costas Menegakis (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, the Liberals are misleading Canadians again. The citizenship fee has not been updated in 20 years. Now citizenship application fees will be better aligned with the actual cost of processing, relieving the burden on Canadian taxpayers who currently subsidize 80% of the cost. With our government's changes in the strengthening Canadian citizenship act, citizenship processing times would drop to less than a year. The Liberals had 13 years to make these changes, and they did nothing about it.

Veterans Affairs Mr. Rodger Cuzner (Cape Breton—Canso, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, abysmal service levels are not exclusive to immigration. Over at Service Canada, departmental statistics show that the percentage of callers who have been hung up on is the worst they have been in seven years. In fact, 12 million callers were hung up on last year. The government has turned Service Canada into no-service Canada. My question is for the Minister of Veterans Affairs . Is this the level of service Canada's veterans can now expect? Hon. Candice Bergen (Minister of State (Social Development), CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, I can assure the member that Service Canada is working hard to continually make sure the service is up to the standards Canadians expect. It is there to work hard for Canadians, whether they need it for employment, passports, or veterans affairs services. Service Canada is there. We want to ensure that it continues to have a high standard, and that it what we are working toward. Hon. Jim Karygiannis (Scarborough—Agincourt, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister boasted that there are over 650 points of service for veterans.

We have first-hand accounts from veterans that they faced long waits, only to be told to call the 1-800 number to get assistance. Veterans have invited the minister to go with them to Service Canada centres to see the lack of service. When will the Prime Minister fire his minister and reopen the nine VAC centres? If he does not, we will in 2015. Mr. Parm Gill (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Veterans Affairs, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, we will take no lessons from the Liberal Party over there. Mr. Speaker— Hon. Jim Karygiannis : You should. You should. The Speaker : Order, please.

The member for Scarborough—Agincourt needs to come to order while the parliamentary secretary answers his question. The hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Veterans Affairs . Mr. Parm Gill : Mr. Speaker, we till take no lessons from the Liberal Party over there until the leader of the Liberal Party fires the member for Scarborough—Agincourt for disrespecting veterans on Remembrance Day, for saying that giving money to veterans is like hanging a case of beer in front of a drunk; they go and spend it either trying to buy a house or buying a fast car, or spend it on booze or addiction.

That is what the Liberals— The Speaker: The hon. member for York South—Weston.

(1140) Rail Transportation Mr. Mike Sullivan (York South—Weston, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, Canadians in my riding of York South—Weston and across the country are increasingly worried about rail safety. As it turns out, they are right to be concerned. Instead of putting safety first, the minister has let big rail companies cut corners, skip safety inspections, and be exempt from some brake tests. In one case, they went six months without a complete brake test. Why were these exemptions allowed, and why is the minister refusing to come clean with Canadians? Mr.

Jeff Watson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the member will know that Transport Canada, in 2012, did more than 30,000 inspections on rail safety. Our government has invested over $100 million in our rail safety system. We continue to hire more inspectors as we speak, increase fines for companies found to break our regulations, and create a whistleblower protection that requires each railway to have an executive legally responsible for safety. The list goes on. The member should get on board with this rail safety regime. [ Translation ] Mr.

Jamie Nicholls (Vaudreuil—Soulanges, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the people of Vaudreuil—Soulanges want to see some transparency, not listen to more rhetoric. This is important information. After what happened in Lac-Mégantic, we expect and are calling for more transparency from the minister. Transport Canada chose to grant exemptions to rail companies on matters as crucial as brake tests and safety inspections. Is the minister going to keep withholding information about the number of exemptions granted and which safety regulations were involved? [ English ] Mr.

Jeff Watson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I have the numbers on rail safety inspections. There are some 30,000—a historic level, I would add—on our rail safety system. There are major investments in our rail safety.

Since Lac-Mégantic, as the member referenced that particular tragedy, there have been ongoing actions by the minister, such as new sharing of information with municipality directives, proper classification and better classification of what is travelling by rail, new recommendations to the minister on emergency response action plans for flammable goods, and the list goes on and on. The member should support that. [ Translation ] Mr. Yvon Godin (Acadie—Bathurst, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives refuse to invest in order to save trains in eastern Quebec and New Brunswick.

Voting for the right party does not even help. We have not heard a peep from the members for Moncton, Miramichi and Madawaska—Restigouche. We need to work together to ensure the future of VIA Rail. It is essential to economic development in the east and the rest of Canada. Are the Conservatives going to stay asleep at the switch or are they going to do something to save the trains? [ English ] Mr. Jeff Watson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the member will know that this was a business decision made by a private company, CN.

There is a regulatory process in place, which the company is currently following. While the discontinuance process is under way, CN is responsible for maintaining its track infrastructure. Mr. Yvon Godin (Acadie—Bathurst, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, our rail service is collapsing, and the Conservatives are still refusing to act. The railway in New Brunswick is crucial. It is the only direct line for thousands of people in eastern Quebec. It is the only route that links Canada from coast to coast.

Will the minister come to our community and explain to the people why they are losing this service, a service that Canadians are proud of? Shame on the Conservatives. Mr. Jeff Watson (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, apparently the member opposite does not know that Halifax is on the coast and the Ocean line continues to run from Halifax to Montreal and to points well beyond that. When it comes to VIA Rail and support for VIA Rail, we have invested $1 billion since 2007 in capital investments and $275 million across the network in 2013.

What did that member say in the House last night? He said he was proud to vote against every dollar of it. Shame on him.

Health Mr. Stephen Woodworth (Kitchener Centre, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I have read several disturbing reports about heroin emerging as the new drug of choice for addicts in Canada. This potent drug has potentially deadly consequences for addicts and severe impact on the people around them. I am proud to stand with our government's stance on taking heroin out of the hands of addicts and not putting it into their arms. Could the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health please inform the House what the government is doing to keep our streets and communities safe from this threat?

(1145) Ms. Eve Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, our government has closed loopholes that allowed for the feeding of addiction under the guise of treatment. Treatment should be focused on ending drug use and helping people recover to drug-free lives. While the Liberals and the NDP want to continue providing heroin to people suffering from addiction, our government will support treatment that ends drug use. Our government is focused on standing with Canadian families and communities against dangerous and illegal drugs.

Employment Ms. Linda Duncan (Edmonton—Strathcona, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, this week dozens of iron workers in northern Alberta were laid off, only to see their jobs filled temporarily by foreign workers being paid less than half what they were making. The Conservatives know full well that some companies are continuing to abuse the temporary foreign worker program. What is the minister doing to investigate and to help these iron workers get their jobs back? Hon. Candice Bergen (Minister of State (Social Development), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the allegations in question are very troubling.

We have instructed officials to review this case on an urgent basis. Our government wants to make sure Canadians get first crack at any job that is available. That is why we have made important changes to the temporary foreign worker program, and that is why we continue to review it. Make no mistake. Any employer who tries to abuse the temporary foreign worker program will be held to account. Ms. Linda Duncan (Edmonton—Strathcona, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, here is what some of those changes have caused. The abuse of the temporary foreign worker program has become a fiasco under the government.

It created the Alberta occupation specific pilot project, which allows companies to hire foreign workers without accurate labour market opinions. These giant loopholes allow companies to abuse the program. When will the minister stand up, apologize to these workers for failing to protect their jobs, and fix the temporary foreign worker program? Hon. Candice Bergen (Minister of State (Social Development), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, the fact is that we are the government that is making changes to the temporary foreign worker program to make sure it is more accountable.

It does not help when NDP members continually ask us to bring temporary foreign workers into their ridings. The NDP deputy leader and MP for Vancouver East has been asking us to do that. The NDP MP for Halifax , the MP for Ottawa Centre , and the MP for Thunder Bay—Rainy River have been asking us to do that. I have a whole list. That is not helping. We want Canadians to get first crack at every job that is available in this country.

[ Translation ] National Defence Mr. Nathan Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives like to keep a very close eye on those who criticize them, to the point where the RCMP and CSIS spied on law-abiding citizens simply because they oppose the Enbridge northern gateway pipeline and the Conservatives' irresponsible policies. What is worse, the Conservatives shared that information with the oil companies. Can the minister explain why he is using such radical tactics to control Canadians? [ English ] Mrs. Kelly Block (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Natural Resources, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, the safety of Canadians is a priority for our government. As part of this commitment to safety, the National Energy Board may conduct a security assessment prior to a regulatory hearing. The NEB will often work with the RCMP to protect the safety of everyone involved. No member of the department gave any instruction to any federal agency on this matter. Mr. Nathan Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, protecting the safety of Canadians also means protecting their democratic rights.

We are talking about sending RCMP and CSIS agents into church basement meetings, where people are doing such dangerous things as painting protests signs. The freedom for people to peacefully raise concerns is a core Canadian democratic value, and this kind of government surveillance is more about silencing and intimidating pipeline critics than it is about protecting national security. Canadians deserve answers. Did the minister approve these operations, yes or no? Ms. Roxanne James (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, the RCMP takes steps to protect Canada's assets and resources, and safety will continue to be a number one priority of this government, but as the member well knows, we will not comment on operational matters.

Agriculture and Agri-food Hon. Mark Eyking (Sydney—Victoria, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, it has been quoted in a Saskatchewan newspaper that the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food “might very well go down as the worst ever to hold the job”. Canadian farmers are well aware of the reasons. First was the mishandling of food safety, then it was the slashing of agriculture programs, and as we found out all this week, there is a disaster in grain handling.

His biggest failure is today, with the signing of the U.S. farm bill, which includes country of origin labelling, which will continue to cost our livestock producers hundreds of millions of dollars. Will the minister finally stand up and do something for the farmers?

(1150) Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am actually surprised that this member is attacking our minister on this file. Our minister has taken the lead in defending our livestock farmers on the COOL file. We have personally been down to the United States. We have interacted with some politicians down there, defending our farmers time and again. I would ask this member and his colleagues to get on board with this government putting farmers first. Mr. Frank Valeriote (Guelph, Lib.) : Mr.

Speaker, the member's answer shows his dissociation with reality and how it has devastated farmers. Today is not the first day the Conservative government has heard about the United States' plan to solidify country of origin labelling into law the President will now sign. Today is not the first day the Conservative government has been asked to act. Yet the government is still fiddling while farmers in our agricultural sector lose billions. The Conservatives have gotten really good at threatening to act. When are they going to act and finally protect Canadian farmers? Mr.

Pierre Lemieux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, just to show how out of touch the member is with farmers, I will read a quote from the Canadian Cattlemen's Association: The CCA fully supports the Government of Canada's efforts to pursue WTO approval to impose retaliatory tariffs. As I just explained, our minister has been front and centre in defending our livestock farmers, our beef farms, and our pork farmers against the COOL legislation. We will continue to act in their best interests, and I would ask the opposition to support us in this very important work.

[ Translation ] Public Service of Canada Mr. Mathieu Ravignat (Pontiac, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the President of the Treasury Board has waged a lengthy misinformation campaign against public servants about their sick leave. The problem, as the Parliamentary Budget Officer confirms, is that what he says is not true. Public sector employees take as much sick leave as private sector employees. Will the minister apologize, correct his false statements, and admit that he misled the House? [ English ] Mr. Dan Albas (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Treasury Board, CPC) : Mr.

Speaker, we thank the Parliamentary Budget Officer for his report. His report confirms that public servants take, on average, 18 days of paid and unpaid sick leave per year. This rate of absenteeism is unacceptable. This is why we are committed to introducing short- and long-term disability plans, which will help public servants get healthy and back to work. This gives public servants the safety net they need while also protecting the taxpayer who pays the bills. This is a win-win for taxpayers and public servants. Shame on the NDP and their big union boss friends for misleading Canadians. Mr.

Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, what taxpayers want is for this minister to actually work with the public service to deliver the services Canadians rely on. Does the minister really expect us to believe he does not know the difference between paid and unpaid sick leave? The Parliamentary Budget Officer is clear on this. The minister is twisting the facts and trashing hard-working public employees. Why will he not admit what is now obvious to everyone, and that is that his accusations against public workers were unfair, and most importantly, were untrue? He really should apologize. Mr.

Dan Albas (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Treasury Board, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, as I said, we thank the Parliamentary Budget Officer for his report. On page 3 of his report, it confirms that public servants take, on average, 18 days of paid and unpaid sick leave per year. This rate of absenteeism is unacceptable. That is why we are committed to introducing short- and long-term disability plans, which will help public servants get healthy and back to work. This gives the public servants the safety net they need while also protecting the taxpayer who pays the bill.

It is a win-win for taxpayers and for public servants. Shame on the member. Shame on the NDP and its big union boss friends for misleading Canadians on this issue.

Agriculture and Agri-food Mr. Earl Dreeshen (Red Deer, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, Canadian grain farmers had a record harvest this past year. This bumper crop is testing our supply chain, as producers are depending on the railways to efficiently move the crops to market. This week, grain farmers faced the threat of a CN Rail strike. I understand that there is now a tentative agreement with the Teamsters. What concerns me is that while Conservative members were standing in the House defending farmers, an NDP member attacked the government for doing so. Could the Parliamentary Secretary please tell the House how our government is continuing to put hard-working Canadian farmers first?

(1155) Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for his excellent question. The threat of a CN strike would be disastrous for the grain sector. That is why our government will, if necessary, introduce back-to-work legislation. However, while our priority is to protect farmers and the economy, the NDP member for Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie had the audacity to attack the government for doing just that. The member's suggestion that the government should do nothing if a strike occurred is completely offside with farmers.

The railways are facing challenges moving grain to port. Canadian farmers are paying the price, and that is unacceptable. Our government has always put farmers first, and I ask the NDP to put farmers first.

Public Safety Hon. Wayne Easter (Malpeque, Lib.) : Mr. Speaker, tragically, Lucia Vega Jimenez, a Mexican women being held in detention under the authority of CBSA, hanged herself on December 20. She died in hospital eight days later. This is a sad, unnecessary loss of life, at age 42, while being held by Canadian authorities. My question is not about why she was being deported but about just how is it possible that a woman, naturally despondent over her situation, could commit suicide while under CBSA authority.

Why was monitoring and supervision contracted out at this detention centre, and why this failure under the minister's watch? Ms. Roxanne James (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, privacy legislation prevents me from discussing the details of this case, in fact any case. However, I do agree it is important to determine the circumstances surrounding any loss of life. CBSA is assisting.

I want to assure members of the House and the Canadian public that CBSA is assisting the RCMP and the British Columbia coroners' office by providing all of the information it has on this case.

[ Translation ] Employment Ms. Ruth Ellen Brosseau (Berthier—Maskinongé, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, on Monday, I asked the Minister of Employment and Social Development to explain why it is taking so long to process the skills link program applications from organizations in my riding. The minister said that he could not be up on every file. However, I am not talking about a specific file. This is a general problem across Quebec. Do these delays have anything to do with the fact that the minister wants Ottawa to be in charge of employability measures again? [ English ] Hon.

Candice Bergen (Minister of State (Social Development), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, we are very proud of the skills training programs we have, and there are so many communities across the country that have applied for them. We are working with communities, employers, and non-profit organizations to deliver programs like this and services to Canadians. EDSC does receive many proposals, and unfortunately, not all can be selected. There are several organizations that do important work, some that are receiving government funding and some that are not.

International Development Mr. David Sweet (Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I understand that the Minister for International Development recently returned from a productive visit to Africa, where among other accomplishments, he was able to see first-hand some of the important work being done by Canada. The flagship priority of our government, as outlined in the Speech from the Throne, is maternal, child, and newborn health, along with achieving real results for those living in poverty abroad by engaging private sector expertise.

Notwithstanding that the NDP oppose Canadian businesses at every opportunity and refuse to support any of our initiatives, would the minister offer an update on his most recent engagement in Africa? Hon. Christian Paradis (Minister of International Development and Minister for La Francophonie, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for the excellent question. I returned to Canada with great hope for a bright and self-sufficient future for Tanzanians.

During my visit, I was able to underline Canada's full support in encouraging sustainable economic development to create prosperity in Africa, which will reduce poverty. On maternal, newborn, and child health, Canada is working to save thousands of mothers during pregnancy and childbirth as well as to prevent millions of children from dying before their fifth birthdays. The theme of International Development Week this year is “We are making a difference”, and Canada certainly is.

[ Translation ] Agriculture and Agri-food Mr. André Bellavance (Richmond—Arthabaska, BQ) : Mr. Speaker, the Minister of State for Agriculture has made a fool of himself by using the Canadian charter to explain his government's lax approach in dealing with the porcine epidemic diarrhea issue. In his view, respect for individual freedom would preclude the cleaning of trucks that cross the border. Pork producers have had enough obstacles to overcome over the past few years. There is no need for the minister to laugh at them too.

If there is one serious member in this government, could he or she confirm that biosecurity measures, such as truck cleaning, will be mandatory, as demanded by MAPAQ, the Fédération des producteurs de porcs du Québec, swine veterinarians in Quebec and, finally, the Government of Quebec? Could anyone give an answer without invoking the Canadian charter to prevent the cleaning of trucks?

(1200) Mr. Pierre Lemieux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, this virus does not pose a risk to human health or food safety. However, the virus is certainly a serious risk for the industry. That is why our government has announced that the CFIA will issue permits to authorize the administration of the iPED+ vaccine to pigs. The minister has asked the CFIA to work with the provinces and assist them if necessary.

Citizenship and Immigration Mrs. Maria Mourani (Ahuntsic, Ind.) : Mr. Speaker, Ivonne Hernandez, a victim of domestic abuse, spoke out against her attacker. He allegedly demanded that she keep quiet and threatened to have her deported. Ms. Hernandez does not have status in Canada. She has a Canadian child with her husband. After March 6, she could be deported and have her child taken away, because she dared to speak out against her abusive husband. Will Canada protect this women, or will it send a message to all women without documentation that they are at the mercy of their abusive spouse? [ English ] Ms.

Roxanne James (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, while I cannot discuss the actual details of this particular case, as it is before the courts, I would like to inform the members of this House and the Canadian public that Canada Border Services Agency's officers are mandated to remove those who violate our Canadian laws. Again, it is my understanding that this is before the courts, that there has been a decision made, but I cannot discuss those details at this time.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Routine Proceedings [ English ] Mental Health Commission of Canada. Ms. Eve Adams (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table, in both official languages, the 2012-2013 annual report of the Mental Health Commission of Canada. I am proud that the Government of Canada is able to support the commission's important work and I would like to acknowledge the achievements articulated within this year's annual report.

[ Translation ] Privilege Bilingualism in Canada's Legislative Process Privilege Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Minister of State (Democratic Reform), CPC) : Mr. Speaker, yesterday, we heard a question of privilege from an NDP member with respect to a briefing that the Privy Council Office gave to members on the fair elections bill. I spoke to my assistants to find out all of the details. The question of privilege was related to the

interpretation services that are generally provided. The NDP members claimed that the service was not available. I learned that instead of having professional interpreters, the representatives of the Privy Council Office gave their presentation in both official languages. These public servants were bilingual; some were bilingual anglophones, while others were bilingual francophones. This ensured that they were able to provide all the information in both of our national languages.

For briefings given to MPs and the media, all of the information sheets, press releases and the bill itself were provided in both official languages. The minister's office did not receive any complaints from the people there. I will add that the presentation given to the media, immediately after the one for the MPs, was very well received by those who attended. Furthermore, the francophone journalists had positive comments. I would like to share the comments that were made publicly by these francophone journalists. Mr. Nathan Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP) : Mr.

Speaker, how interesting to hear from the minister. It is unbelievable. He was here. He heard all of the problems and lapses that were observed during that briefing. That is not an option, and the minister has to understand that. It is not optional even if someone might be able to speak English or French. The member clearly told the minister that some questions were asked in just one language and that the answers were given in just one language. Both francophones and anglophones observed that. The minister said that the departmental officials were bilingual, so that makes everything okay.

That is completely irresponsible. That is not an option for him. Frankly, this is not the first time the government has done this kind of thing. MPs cannot do their work if they do not understand the language. There is confusion not only with respect to the briefing on this bill, but also about the bill itself, which is not written properly. It is unbelievable that the minister thinks it is optional for him to give information to members here in the House of Commons.

Imagine if the anglophones here were given a briefing entirely in French, with questions and answers in French, and imagine the minister saying that is okay, it is not a problem. Some francophone journalists commented on it, and that is enough. It is unbelievable. This minister seems unable to understand the rules. This kind of thing is not optional. I had hoped the minister would have a good answer for us, or maybe an apology or an explanation about problems getting interpreters for the briefing or some other kind of problem for members, but here he is saying that there was no problem.

This minister does not believe in bilingualism in the House or in government. Judging from his bill, he does not believe in this country's democracy either.

(1205) [ English ] Committees of the House Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Mr. Ray Boughen (Palliser, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the third report of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, entitled “Bill C-15,

An Act to replace the Northwest Territories Act to implement certain provisions of the Northwest Territories Lands and Resources Devolution Agreement and to repeal or make amendments to the Territorial Lands Act, the Northwest Territories Waters Act, the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, other Acts and certain orders and regulations ”. The committee has studied the bill and has decided to report the bill back to the House of Commons with amendments.

Business of the House Routine Proceedings Hon. Peter Van Loan (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions among the various parties and I think you will find unanimous consent for the following motion.

I move: Motion That, notwithstanding any Standing Order or usual practice of the House, the hours of sitting and the order of business of the House on Thursday, February 27, 2014, shall be that of a Wednesday; that the Address by His Highness the Aga Khan, to be delivered in the Chamber of the House of Commons at 11:00 a.m. on Thursday, February 27, 2014, before Members of the Senate and the House of Commons, together with all introductory and related remarks, be printed as an appendix to the House of Commons Debates for that day and form part of the records of this House; and that the media recording and transmission of such address, introductory and related remarks be authorized pursuant to established guidelines for such occasions.

The Speaker : Does then hon. government House leader have the unanimous consent of the House to propose this motion? Some hon. members: Agreed. The Speaker: The House has heard the terms of the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Some hon. members: Agreed. (Motion agreed to)

Petitions Impaired Driving Mr. Earl Dreeshen (Red Deer, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to rise today to present a petition on behalf of constituents and Canadians from Alberta regarding impaired driving causing death. These citizens want to see tougher laws and the implementation of new mandatory minimum sentences for those persons convicted of impaired driving causing death.

(1210) Mining Industry Mr. Earl Dreeshen (Red Deer, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I have a second petition. It calls for the creation of a legislated ombudsman mechanism for responsible mining.

VIA Rail Mr. Mike Sullivan (York South—Weston, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, on behalf of residents of New Brunswick, I present this petition to implore the Government of Canada to undertake all measures to reinstate daily round-trip VIA Rail passenger service between Montreal and Halifax through the cities of Campbellton, Bathurst, and Miramichi, New Brunswick. I note that this petition is presented in both official languages.

Impaired Driving Mr. Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, it is my privilege today to be kind of a pan-Canadian politician, as I think we all desire to be in this place, looking out for the good of all Canadians. The first petition I present, like one that was previously presented, is with respect to the drunk driving laws. These petitioners from Nova Scotia indicate that the current impaired driving laws are too lenient. They want to see that changed and toughened up so that we have some new mandatory minimum sentences for persons convicted of impaired driving causing death.

They want the Criminal Code to be changed to redefine the offence of impaired driving causing death to vehicular manslaughter. They have some other good suggestions in their proposal as well. It certainly is my privilege to present this good petition from citizens of Nova Scotia.

Sex Selection Mr. Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon—Wanuskewin, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I have another petition from the other end of the country, Victoria, noting the fact that in our country sex selection is condemned by all of our national parties. The public is against it as well. The petitioners are offended by the fact that people can use an ultrasound to tell the sex of an unborn child and can terminate the pregnancy of that unborn child if it is a girl. They want a change in respect of that and a condemnation of that by all parties in the House. Mr.

Speaker, the last petition is similar, but it also specifically asks for a motion in the House, Motion No. 408, and it condemns sex selection when baby girls are aborted.

[ Translation ] Mining Industry Mrs. Sadia Groguhé (Saint-Lambert, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present two petitions. The first is from people in my riding representing the agency Development and Peace. They are calling for legislation to create an ombudsman position to ensure that mining projects are conducted responsibly. Of course, they are concerned about the actions and behaviour of Canadian mining companies abroad.

Public Transit Mrs. Sadia Groguhé (Saint-Lambert, NDP) : Mr. Speaker, the second petition concerns the need for a national public transit strategy. There is an urgent need, and Canada is already lagging far behind.

[ English ] Dementia Mr. Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre, NDP) : Mr.. Speaker, I am delighted today to be presenting petitions from many of my constituents and other residents in Ottawa regarding what is now a nationally urgent matter, and that is a national strategy for dementia. They want Parliament to pass Bill C-356 , which was presented by my colleague from Sudbury . The petitioners want this measure to be passed because we need to initiate a discussion about this terrible disease and have support from provinces by being coordinated with a national strategy by the Government of Canada.

Questions on the Order Paper Mr. Peter Braid (Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Communities, CPC) : Mr. Speaker, I ask that all questions be allowed to stand. The Speaker : Is that agreed? Some hon. members: Agreed.

Government Orders Government Orders [ English ] Fair Elections Act The House resumed consideration of the motion that Bill C-23,

An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act and other Acts and to make consequential amendments to certain Acts , be read the second time and referred to a committee. Bill C-23. Second reading The Speaker : The hon. member for