Volume XL Friday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]; McNicholas r Numbe r M1 3 June 1988

The House met at 10:00 a.m . MR. SPEAKER (McNicholas): Order, please! Statements by Ministers MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Pr emier . SOI'-1E liON . MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. Speaker, I can do Statements by Ministers do it under some other of the Standing Orders. this under or I can provision I haVE! just deliVE!red to the Ll::1adl;!r of the Opposition (Mr. Wells) a let:l::er ft·orn TnE! f'olJ.ow:i.ng up on the is sue of conflict of intE!rE!St uJhich, over thE! last nurnber of days, that has dorninab:1d this House. MR. WELLS: A point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: Or·de:1r, pl.eas<:1!

A point of order, the han. the Leader of the Opposition. MR. WELLS: This letter just arrived on rny ciE!Sk, and if the Pr('!ITJiE!Y' ts suFfic:ientJ.y discourt:E!OUS to stand and read it before I have even had a chance to read it myself. This, together with another Ministerial Statement, was just dropped ,on my desk. ric:~ says he can do i.t unde•r other or· de r· s , and I lAJO u 1 d s u g g E! s t he do so. fhis is not. a Ministeria1 Statement. MR . SPEAKEr~: lhE! hon. Lhe Pr·estdE•nt of t-.:he:1 L2646 June 3, 1988 Vol XL Council. MR. SIMMS : Mr.

Speaker, that is not a point of or·de!r'. (.) d(:1C"i.s·.ion as to what: constitutes a Ministerial SU'\LE:!IfiE:'nt, l guess, is 1.1p Lo 1:1'11? rninistE!r who dE!livers :i l:. Then it . . is up l:.o the Spedk(!l" Lo dHL:~:!r'rnine whether or not it is in order. But c1early any state:1m(:!nt that a minister makes on this side, if he t..uishE!S to ITJai<c-0! :i.t unde1" ~3Laternenl~.s by Ministers, that is the rnost appropriab::~ t.irne to do il:, and it is done E!VE!ry day in UlE! HouSE!. So there is no point of order. MR. SPEAKER : I haVE! heard sufficient on the rnattt:1r. rhE!re :is no poi.nl oF order.

The hon . thE• Pr·emier· is k . . . l . 1 s l t rna :J.I'ltJ a M·.1n·1s :E!Y'J .a.. '· t<~:·.urn':!n ., and this is t:hE:1 hiTIE! for· it. PREMIER PECKFORD : I dtd not say it: l;.Jas not a Ministerial StatE!ITIE!nl: . I wou1d pre ·fet· to do i l: und<'!r Minis !:erial StaternE!nts, obviousJ.y, or I lAJouJ.d not haue stood in my place. This is a lE!tl:er writl:E•n today l:o the leader of the Opposition. 11 1 notE!d with interE!St your· i" ('! v ('! 1 ElL .l. on y c:! s l.: PI" cl c\ y L n l: hE :!

II o lj s E! that at least two financial inl·:t~r·psl:s t·:hdL you hR,!C:• L~Jer ·e not: discJ.osed in your Conflict: of Interest: SLaLement. Your reason for not disc1osing Lhis information you say is bE•cau so you viE!lAJ these intE!rE!Sls to ~H'! orws L:hat J;.Jould not pose a confli.ct oF interc!St For you in your ro}E! as Le<.~dc~r of· LhE:1 Opposi.t ·ion. One of the financial interests you disclosed yesLorday was invoJ.veJTJE!nt. w:i.th a mechanism knot..un as 11 F10IAJ t:hro1jgh ~:>hares 11 dE!a1-.inq with the minjng industry. Now, Mr· . WE:'lls, it. :Ls a fact .: Lhat.: your No. 49 R 2 6 4-6

party during thr::~ Est:.imal:E!S Committee of the House · of Assembly questioned the Minister of Mines on this matter . Additionally, in response to . a Ministerial StatE!rnent. by thE! MinistE!r' of MinE!S announcing that the federal govenlfnent lAJOuld 1neplaCE! thE! Flow through share programme wit:~ anothE•r prograrmne to help l::hE! mining industry, your party was quick to indicate that the original policy should remain. This surely puts you in a Conflict of Inl::erest Situabon. It: t.•Jas in your persona} interE!St ·to haVE! your' party suppor't tl·1r::1 ''Flot~.J tht"ough ShaJ"E!S 11 policy.

BecauSE! you didn't d·isclose this inter'r::1st, the Government Members and I suspE!Cl l::ho NDP ME:•tnbers lAJOlne unaware of the Conflict of Inl·:(:)resl: in IAJhich you all.OIAH'!cl yourself to be placed.

An inh:!r'~~st:ing quE:)sl:.ion C!r .ises: Did the Members of your Caucus know your interests in this programme tAJhen thE!Y spoke out in favour of i 1::? ''In a similar IAJay your other interest in housing that you disclosed could pose Conflict of Interest problems for you and your party since you tAJill from time to U.rne haVE! to cornrnE!nt upon and "try to influence thE~ dir'E:~Ct.ion or=­ housing policy in the Province. "I -think it. :i.s Cl"itica1 that. you now disclose all your interest s that could conflict wit:.h public pol..icy i.n l:h:i.s. Pr-ov·incE~ and thP extE!nt of thoSE! intt:'rE!Sts." SOME HON.

MEMBERS : Hear', hear! PREM£ER PECKFORD: May I just point out For hon. ITI ('!In b (o! I" S t h i'1 t l·: h ('! V fo' I" b a l:. -j In I'·· r:! p 0 1" l: published on May 4 deals with one 0 r·: t hE! In(! IT! b ('!

I" s ' 1:. hE! 1 n (! rn bE! r' F 0 In L2647 June 3, 1988 Vol XL Fortune- HI:H'rnitRge, gel::t:ing up and saying to the Minister of Mines, 'I appeal to th,;,~ rninisb~r to SE!E! if he can usE· his good offices to ensure that is the caSE!.' And ~<Jhat lAJas the cas( :!? 'I do so by perserving unt.arnp~:!red ... l:hE:) rn:.i.nin~J E~x p lora U.o n cl E!p lE!tj.on all.ot.~.Jan c E!. ' So "the party l::hat the Leader of thE!

Opposi l::lon r't~present.s, and no doubt he organizes the questions and · knollJS the questions that art?. going to be asked in Question Period, ll.JCIS having his party and his rnE•rnbE•rs comE! out. in fu11 support of i:~ pol..icy "in tAJhic:h he has a persona} interest.. l'her'E!fCH'e, obv:ious1y that is a confl:i.ct of interest and I think Lhe L':~ddE:~l" oF LhE'! Oppos:.i.l: ... .i.on should really come clean on this . SOME fiON . MEMBEr~S : Rt"s.i.gn! r~esi.gn! MR. lrJELLS: Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Leader of thE' Opposition . MR. WELLS: Mr.

Speaker, it is cl~';!ar what l:he Pr'E!rniE!r and the HIE!lllbE•rs IAliHlt to do. Thoy want to divert attention atAJay Frorn l".he Fact: that l.he Prem"iE~r has appr'ovecl oF a f:lagr'i:~nl:. vioJ.a -U.on oF lr.i s OlAJn ConfLict of In l: E:! r' c:! s 1-. Cui. cl E! 1 :in E! s . I t is cl:isgus ting. SOME HON. MEMBERS : i"IE:'i'1r', hPar '! M R . ~J E L. L S : As thE! hon . l:hE! rrlE:'IllbE!I" fo1n Bell. r s 1 a n cl ( M r' . Scio sai d yE:•s l:E•I"ciay --· SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! No. 4.9 r.l)ou n l. ll a 1" 1"

y) R264·7

MR. WELLS: ·Mr-. -SpE:~akE!r, I tAJould l:l .ke to havE• order, please. MR. SPEAI<Ef~ : Ordr:!r, plc:'aS':'!! MR. WELLS: As the rrl('!lnl:)('!r for· Mounl. ~3cio Bell Island said yesterday, they are shoaLing LhE:~ messE:HJgei". Jl:. is totally untrue, a complete falsdwod what: thE:~ Pre1rrLet" said. It is an absolute fabrication to cover his own problems. Now, Mr . Speaker, thE!Se have nothing to do lJ..Iith it . a straightforward, investment, a VE!Y'Y, · VE!Y'Y onE!. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. WELLS : things It is simple modest The members do not want the truth.

You know they are afraid of the truth when they raise the noise level. They do not like the tr·uth. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. WELLS : r~ o IAJ , M r . 5 p f:~ a k E! r , :i L i s a l:: o l:: a 11 y ouLt"agr,!OUS, lolall.y untJ"lH:~ statement that the Premier just rrti:'lde. Boccutse t'.he sJ.mp1.c! F<:tct is I d :i cl in v E! s l: , J. :i. k E! perhaps many ol::hr:!r' m(,~lflbE:'rs of l::h.is iiouse, <:'IL the inducement of the Government of Canada c~nd ·th:is Pt"ov·.ince, and, M r . S p E! a k E! r· , 1.1.1 h a t h a p p e n s i n t h E! future has nothing to do lAJil:h tAJhat happened in the past.

That is don~~ and o v E• r· tAli t h . An cl t·. hat:. was :investE!d :i.n bE!rOrE! I E•ver· carne tn this House. PREMIER PECI<FORD: Why did you not disclose it? L2648 June 3, 1988 Vol XL MR. WELLS : Because The Conflict of Interest Guidelines do not require it . SOME HON. MEMBERS : ~ie a -r-:- h ~~ -i'lr:"! ______ _ rJ!R. WELLS: I cannot say l l conflict 1.1.dth thE! does no such thing . PREMlER PECKFORD : li..JOtt] cl hi~lVC~ gOVE!rllrnE!nt. a It Everyone is corning clean. the whol.e point of it . That j,s MR. WELLS : We will see. The fact. is, l'-1r . Speaker, my own ConfJict oF Intf:~Y'E!St.

Statet.rnE!llt. disclosr,~d rnotnE! than any other rrtE!rrtber of the House. [l: cli.scJ.osed oit 111or·e Fully bc;!cause I am ch~:!cld.ng thE!In. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR . SPEAKER : OrdE!r, please! PREMIER PECKFORD : On a point ot order, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A point of order, the hon. the P r· c-:H n i ('!!'' . PREMIER PECI<FORD : The Leader· of the Oppos:i l:.:ion has just f'nc1du a sl:.dl:,::!tnenl:.. I can Si:'ty to him that E'VE!t'yth:ing l:.hat·. I hdd .I discl.osE!d .

And so ·il: · .. i~; un ·fr::ti.r· and wrong for the Leader of lhe 0 p p o s i. l:. i o n· l.: o s 0\ y t.: h a l: t h r:• 1~ e a r· E! members over here who did not disclose eueryl::hing . I\-1R. SIMMS : You ar'E! l:hE! only onE:! that cl.id not d.isclose. PREMIER PECI<FORD : Do rnake the rul.es . No . 4-9 R2648

MR. WELI..S : Now, Min. SpE!aker, I would ltkE! to address Lhe Ministerial Statement. MR. 5PEAKER: Oinder· I plE!aSE!! SOM E HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR . SPEAKER : To that point of ordE!r, there is no point of order. There is a d-ifference of opinion between two han. gentlemen. MR. WELLS : Thank you, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAI<ER: The hon. the I .. E!ader of t h(:' Opposition. · Ml~. WEI .. I..S : Min. SpE!ab:!r', this is an outr·agE!OUS, silly at.LE!mpl~ to cover· the government's deficiency, and if the noise level of the House does not permit me to deal with it hc~~n~.

I tJJi.J.l simply t.r:~ll the~~ media the truth about it and I will deal tAli th it ther·e. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR . WELLS: I will prepare a response and will filE! it t.uith thE! mE•d:i.al but I wi11 not do -:i.t :i.n the sa1nE! grandstanding silly way that the Premier has done with this . SOME HON. MEMBERS : OindE!r', plE!i'lSE'! MR. FENftJICI<: Mr . Spc'!aker . MR . SPEAI<EI~ : Tl ·l(:! hon. thE! ITIE :!iT!br:•i" for ME!n:i hE:· I<. MR. F ENWICI<: L26t~9 JunE! 3, l9BB Vol XL Mr. Speakr:H', I do not. I~.J<5J.I1 t to comment on ·the two in:itial reasons i"c:d.SE!d by thE:!

PlnC'HniE·r· to :i.ndiu:~I:E! that these holdings could be a conflicl: oF :inl::erest, bul: : [ am s u r pr i s E! d hE! d :i. cl not: g o o n to 1: h e o thr:~r· t.IAJO. A f~(~g ·.is l:.er"c::•d ReU .rernE!nt Saving~; Plan, I lh:.i.nk, as all members knot~. J, can or· cannot: be in a position · where the holdings would be in a conflict of interest.

ThE!rE! is such a th:i.ng as a s~<:~lf .. -dirE:~Ch!d RI~SP .l.n wh-ich the Leader of the Opposi U.on could invest, for example, in the helicopt.E!r cornpan:i.E!S, CHC, could :i nu E:~ s l.: in Newfou nell and L.:i.g h l: and PowE:~r, Fortis or any onE! of thesE' I all of which in future might bring him into sorne degrE•E! of conFLicl:~ so I think the Rl~SP dE!pencls upon the content. of il: . 1 and For · l.:hat. J"( !<:~son r. l:hink ·it.: shot.il.cl be 1-:i.st:ed. SOME HON. MEMBERS : He<'lr, hear! MR. FENWICK: . . At the same tirn~<=~. Mr.

SpeakE!r, an inves trnE:Hlt cl11b could also buy into shares of cornpaniE!S oper·at:i.ng in the Province, the same ones that IJ.JE' rnentionE!d befor'E! . S:i.nce the Leaclr:n· of l:.he Opposil:ion us1:!d to be the Chairman of the NetAifoundland Light. and PotAJI'"r ther ·e is a pos si bili Ly there may be a connect-ion there .

There is a very important policy issue go:i.ng on IAJ t 1:: h 1... i g h t a n d P o \},J e r· IAJ i l:: h r e g i:'\ i" d to the:i.r parent company and the privatization of a lot of their operations and I wou ld like to k n OlAf ·.if l:: h C'! r e a r· e any conn r:~ c l·. ions sti] l r·ernaintng betweE!n l::hE! L E!acleJ" of the Opposition and these particular companJ(•S, ·L~.Jhi ch ar·e l'i.sLE!d on l::l1e sLoe!< excha ng Ps and . I J . ' . I I I arE! qu:1 ~E! .ec: J:l c.] .rna :E' s l::o c < ~~ ::o oLun withln Lhesc

part ic ular kinds ot Ol"gan:izal:ions t.hal:: hE! h<'t~:; ~; 1·. I" t.l c l: u i" e cl . ~3 o r: 1:. h ·i n k l h e p o s s :i b i 1 i 1: y s 1: i 11 E! x J s I~ s , I t. rna y 1\Jo. 11.9 1~261~9

.... not, but I think it should be listed and I think actually that. the RRSP as a gE!nE!ral rulE! should be listed by everybody. I certainly have one myself and I called th~~ Aud.i Lor CenE!r·al at the l:.irnE! and said, 11 1tJould I haVE! to l :i. s t i t'' , and h ~~ sa :i d 11 W h a 1-. k i. n d is _ :i 1:.? 11 I said, 11 It buys a f:iXE!d interest bearing bank account one, 11 which is the kind of one that·. I hcH:I. And he sai.d, 11 No, that: IAJould not b.::1 requirE!d. 11 But I think, perhaps, thc,1 Conflic l of Interest Guidelines should be chi:·lng~~d so thc:·\1-.: c1ll l:h~:!

I~I~SP~; should b~1 listed, bE!Cause:1 clearly they could be a source of conflict of interest as well. AN HON. MEMBER : Hea1n, I'H::'ar! MR. BRETT: Mr . Speak;:!r. MR. SPEAKER: The han . the Minister oF Municipal Affairs . MR . BRETT : Mr. Speaker, today I tAJould like l:o takE~ the opportunity l:o inform thE! House of Assembly c:·Hld its 1m1rnber·s that my department has now completed its tc'tbulc1t:ion dnd a p p I"C)

l) a J. oF :its c <.'1 pit. a 1 IAJ(H' k s- funding For the fiscal year 1988 -89. Ml". ~3pE!akE!r', for· 'L.h:i.s Fi.scaJ. yea!" 1ny ciE:!parLITIBni ··. 1Aii .11 l''XPC'!I'ld .i.n cap i t a 1 IAJO r· k s funding a l on E• in r:'XC<'!SS oF $t.J.2 rnill.ion, dild t-hc.'tl:. :is up approximatE!ly $1.4 - m:iJl.:i .on from 1 as t yea,~ ' s cap i La 1 IAJ<H' k s Funding of ~pproximately $28 million. Mr.

Speaker, I am sure that all hon. lnl"mbers oF the House o1 Asspmbly ar'E• atAJarE! of l~he maqn :it:ude oF l::he DE!par·tm('!nt ol rJJunidpal Affairs in thjs PlnCIIJince L2650 June 3, 1988 Vo1 XL with its 340 rnunic:ipaJ.iU.E•s and in excess of 140 l.ocal service districts. Therefore, .Mr. Speaker, becausc,1 of the increaSE!d spending in capital works programmes this year oF $14 milJ.ion, therE! u.1ere a cE·I~ta:i .n a m o u n l.: o f cl <'! 1 a y s i. n p I" e p a I" -j n g 1.:: h E! finaJ tabulation of figures. M r· .

S p e a k e r ; all h o n . me rn bE! r s o f th~1 House IAJhosc~ distr·.ict-:.s tAii.ll rr:1cEdve capital tAJorks funding have now been notiFied w.il:h the individual project breakdown. I do not think lhctl is entirely truE:1. Yes, it is on the 1E!tU!rS. I am sor-ry. Therefore, I will tabJ.e the overa11 amount. of spending for each provincial.. d~Lstd ct. rE!CEdv:lng Capita 1 IAJO I" k S 1·~ U 1'1 cl :i. 1"1 g f q I~ t h 1;! fj .scaJ. year· 1.988- -89, and they di''E! as follows: Baie VertE! -- WhitE!

Bay, $84-0,000; Bay of Islands, $1,039,000; Bellevue, $929,000; Bonavista Nor·th, $595,000; Bonavista Sou{:h, $693,000; Burgee - Bay d'Espoir, $250,000; Burin ·- Pl. acenl:.i .a ~'\Jest, $1,150,000; Carborwaln, $1,270,000; Conct:1ption Bay Soul:h, $3 rn:illion; CornE!r B1nook, $3,975,000; EagJ.e RivE! r , $3 6 S , 000; Ex pl. o its , $890,000; Ferryland, $853,500; Fo(::JO, Ml". ~)pedkr~J" -· lriiJ qot)d l7 r''il:'•nd for Fogo - $750,000; Fortune :·1 ('' r'ITI:i. Li:\(j (!I $2 /j.()' 000; Ca nd E!

In I $4-00,000 -- I think he .is gcdn(~ to cdr 'J"Y l:.h<'1l: 011L Lo BHnl:.on ·-· Cr·and Bank, $938,000; Green Bay, ~li1,3 63, .000; liar·botu· Gr·au~. $1, 108,000; Harbour Main, $500,000; Happy Valley -·· Goose Bay, $330,000; Humber Valley, $982,000; Kilbride, $690,000; Lapoile. $830,000; LewisporLe, $1,026,000; MenihEd<, $836,000; Mount Pear], $l.S million; Placentia. $953,000; PlE'asantvilJ.e, $380,000; Por·t: au No. 49 raG so

Port $131,000; Stephenville, $300,000; St. Barbo, $'~1.2,000; St .. George's $405,000; St. Mary's Tl1o CapE:~s, $1,062,000; St. John's East Extern, $3,681,000; St. John's South, 'll720,000; Sl~ .. John's ovE:~I"aJ.l, in addJ .t:ion to t~hat, $3,t.~l8,000; ~3t:r'i'\it . of BE!lle Islf'!­ I cannot believe what I am reading! I guess it must be true, because it is on the paper -·· $1, 283,000. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR.

BRETT: Terra Nova, $915,000; Torngat Mountains, $100,000; Tr·inity - Bay de Verde, $912,000; Twillingate, $230,000; and the great and historic district of Trinity North - oh, my gooclnE!S~~ gr·ac-:i.ous! ··· only ~P?H,OOO. I got done in on that: one . In addition, Ml". SpE!dkE!r, rny department will allocate an addit.ional $97 miJ.lion in och(~l" special assistance grants. SOMF. l-ION. MEMBF.RS : HE!ar, hE!ar·! MR.

BRETT: ThE!Se grants Street pav·ing $12,328,300. are as follows: and reconstr~ction, ThE!SE! arE! conditional grants to pay 60 pE:~r cenl: of projE!cts approved by l·~hE! department for reconstruction and/or paving of municipal roads and strE!E!tS For priol" year·s. So we have to spend that much this year . F:irefighting $775,000, gr·ants: and A to t.al of thE•SE! cH'E! cond ·i.t.ional gr·c:tnl·.s L:o pay '75 pE·r· cent of the cost of purchasing 1: i r· ~=! F .i g h l: .i n g E! q u t p rn (:! n t lA I h e r· e i l has bE!I:'n appr·ov E!cl and J"E!COITIITJE·rH:Iecl by Lhu f ·il"~~ Co1nrn·:i.ssi.one1".

L2651 June 3, 1988 Vol XL Recreational Grants: ·rhis is in ~cld.itlon to whctt Culture, Recreation and Youth spends . $366,300. ThE!SE:' an~ also conditional grants towards the cosl oF conslruct.i.nq rnun.icip<'l1 or· r·egional st.ad:iurns. ThE! max:.Lrnllln amount givr;!n Lo any tnd ·Lv:icll~.' ~l project is $200,000 on an equal cost-shared basts wilh the rn u n i c i ·p a J. i t y . T h i s f i g u r E! :i s t h e principal and interest on existing recreation facilities across the Province. The next one is Special Assistance Grants, Mr. Speaker, another $1,663,400.

These ai"E! grants rnade available to meet emergency situations which haVE! nE!cessitat:E!cl li:~X[:lC'!nd·i. t:UI"E! bE! yOnd t~.hC;! .i.JTIInE!cl:i a t1:• financial c<:'tpabi ]il.y oF. U1E:! lfllHLi c i pa 1 i l~ y . Next is Assistance Cr :•n<'·r·<•1 Crcll'lts: Munic ipal $17,100,000. These aro grants based on population, roads. social assistance and MR. BARRETT: Say that agcdn. MR. BRETT: I will explain it some other time. Tax Incentive Granls: $28,300,000 . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, heal"! MR. BRETT: fhat :i.S IAIOrth l''lo!pio!dt.ing $28,300,000.

This is based. on Forty-five cents for every one dollar of real property tax, water and sewer tax and granl.s -in-lieu oF taxes collected by lhe 1nun.ic:i .p<.~l.-.it i,(~S "in l::l1e pi"Hv:i.ous F . l 1· l . I I l I lSCa. yE:.ar' . .. ·~. J.s :)aSE'•c on :·.·w previous ye~r's collccl.ions. Water and Sewer ~ubsidies: 'l"h · .. i. s No . 49 R2651

is the all the saying number addi t:.l.on Js going pr·oj E.~cts one I am preaching about timE:~ bE!CaUse evel~ybody is you are only spending X of dollars when, in to the $LI.2 million IAJhich ou~ this year to continue therE! is and start some nC: !IAJ onE!S, another $35,350,000 in subsidies to municipalities. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. BRETT: A mj.nimuru of 20 per cent of the c u r· r· E:! n l.: 1 E~ 'J y f o 1n F "i x c~ cl r· E:~ v e n 1.1 e s must be allocated in the municipalitie s 1 budget towar·cls debt charges for· thE! water and sewer systems.

This Figure lnepn!~;ents the baJ.ance paid by the dE!parl::mr:~nl':. In oth<:!r IAJor·ds, !::he,' m u rl'i. c :i p a 1 i. l:. y p a y s 2 0 p E! r c e n t o r il·:.s FixE•d 1nc::•venue and the,, governrnent pays the rerna:i nder, and that is that $35 miJ.lion. Unincorporated Community Water Services, Mr. Speaker, $820,000. The explanation for that is grants are provided up to $3,000 per famj.ly for the pr·ovision of i)Jater· and $1,000 per famiJ.y for a sewage disposal system in local service districts. All that is required of the local LSD is to collect $100 per family, and the government puts in this amount.

Additional Grants and Subs i.d i.E!S, another $1,215,000. ThesE:! a1"e I I . l . l . '1 . l a.c c '.1. ·: ·1 o n c'\ • s p ~=! c .1. d . <:-1 s ~; 1. s · :. i'l n c C! gr·ant:.s as dE•signa ·tE·d by MinutE!S of Council, si.1ch as rnainl':(:!nHnc<:! of BoiAJerin~~ Pc.u··k, CornEH' Brook fJJ~E! protr.:!ct.ion, E!t.C. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, in addition l':o the $42 million aJ.loca ted for· cap.l .t:.al IAJor·k ~; in this FiscaJ. year 1988 - 1989, anol::hr:!l" $97 1ntJ.l.ion in gr·ants L:o municipa1:iU.E:'S wi11 bE! madE!

L2652 June 3, 1988 Vol XL available for a total funding allocation by my department in excess of $140 million. Thank you, Mr. SpE!ai<E:•r . SOME liON. i"1EMBERS : HE:!ar, hear·! MR. SPEAKER: "rhe hon . Lhe rnerntH,~r For 8onav:ista North. MR. LUSII : Mr. Speaker, l".hd i: i L almost L •• - ·' two my first reaction is dbOtil.. t . .irne. It. is months behind the c'l n no u n c (,, rn e n t s o F 1. c.~ s t y E~ a r . L. a s L year the announcemE!nts of capitc:ll IAJorks pi"Ojl"~cts IAJI:H't::' Jfli.,lcle on Apr··.il 15. MR. SIMMS : OnE! rnont.h. MR. LUSH: It is over approaching Speaker.

OnE! tiAJO month. r·t mon ·ths, is Mr. My SE!Cond· cornrnE!nt, Mr. Speai<E!r, is this: $140 million is far too much money to be awarded in Lhe method in which is awarded, without debate, without reference to this House, Mr·. SpE:>t~ker, just. approved in blanket .form, block -r=·unding. I have se1 ·id on l!'ldny occasions that the se projects sho11lcl be,' pr·u~;(;!ntc,~cl bc:!For·~:! l:h·i.s HOUSE! and dPbatE!d l"athE•r than thE:! rn e L h o cl j. n IAJ h .i. c h i t. i s n o lA I b r" .i n q done .

So I hope that the i:'idrnirl"isl::r·<~tion IAJ:il1 l~ .. ·.'lke,~ not:o of this and in the Future try to refil'lt:! L:h"i~; sysl :.u 1n of alloc,:'J.ting of capital works grants through munic·.ip<:ll.tties l.:hr·oughout. t.his Pr·ovince and havE· 'it done tn l~hj .s House, have l::hr:•se pl"Ojl:!cts approved in th'is House, rather than L:he'! blanket fundj.nq t.h<:':tt thc:!y haVE! been doing. One hundl"E!d and No. I.J-9 R2652

forty ndllton for of HlE! taxpc:~y€~r-s 1 ProvincE•, is far' Mr. Speaker, to that rnannr:!r. b1anket funding dollc.'trs of this too much money, be allocctted in On the SUl"facE?.. this ".is quitE! a different document than we hclve been used to seeing in tr:•rms of the announcements by the minister. ThE~Y are donE! in a block method for the districts. It is quitE! different, with a listing of all the other grants that will be granted throughout the year. There are a lot of grants that we do not know about yet, a lot of aJ.locations that t.1.1r::~ do not know about.

We do not know what will happen with the sixty/forty projects, which c o rn rn u n i t: ".i e s IAI :i ll g E! t: l".: h e s E! . W ('! d o not knot.1.J l.I.Jh-.ich al"E!dS 1Ar.1 .1J get the . 1 . t W I sp1:!r:·.1r:~. i;,ssJ.s .. ance gr·anl ~~::. e co not know which arE!as wiLl get thE! f i r' e- fig h ti n g g ran t s . 3 u t , M r . Spf.~akr:!r, on the surfaCE! of it it would give the appearance thctt tho minister has changE:1d substan·tially the pork barrelling which occurred i11 this departrnE!nt in years gonE! by. But, Mr.

Sp<~'akr::1r, IAJhE!I'l orw looks at the figures and that is what we have L:o look r:'ll~, out: d l~o t.al of $43 mi11ion, WE! on l~his sidE! oF t: hE! H 0 Ll s (::! IAIE' get. 11 p ('!I" c €:11'1 t: 0 r that $43 million when we have appr'OX"imately 30 pE!r CE'I'l l: of thE:~ seats. Eleven pE•r cent., Mr. Sp:~aker, of the total of $43 rn"ilJ.ion, and we have approxj.rnate]y 3 0 p E; r' c E•n t of the seats . N OIAJ, Mr. SpeakE:H', :l.f that dOE!S not J.ook like awarding projects on a pol:i t:lca1 basis thE•n I do . not knOIAJ IJJ h a l:. d o E! s . M r' . ~) p e a k E! r , I 01. m s u r e thE!

ITl:ln:.i.ster' IJJOUJd say that thE!I"E:' a r· f'! o t h E! r' fa c t o I" s , l: h a 1·:. t: h (;• I" e a I" e areas represented by members on thi ~; ~~ ide oF Lhe House:• l:hr'J.l ~ ar·e fully serv:icE!d. Now, Mr. Sp('!BkE!r, L26~i3 June 3, 19BB Vo1 XL I do not haVE! thesE:~ figurE!S. The only fi.gur·e:~s th<:'t T c<:'tn look i::tt this morning arE! the total f:igurE!S ,~ n d , a s I h au e s <'I i cl ,

I) n t h i s s :i d E! oF the House we get ll per cent of the tol:i:~l 1nonies, LhE:! f,ll.:J 111:ill"ion, IAihen IAIE! rE!pr'E•SE:~nt i'J.ppi"OX:i.rnal:.E•J.y 30 per cent of the sectts in this Pr-ovinCE!. Mr'. Speaker, the othE!r thing is this: Even though the minister has giVE!n, I think, morE! PI"OjE!Cts on this side of the House than he gave last year - I belteve therE• are more projects awarded, I believe there are more - what makes thE! d:i.FferE:~nce, Ml". Speab:!l". is i.n the total arnount.

If you look at the figures you tAJi11 sc::·e inval"iabJ.y that l:hE!rE! ts more money spE•nl:. in qovE:!I"nrnent: cl".i.s l:ricts than 1.1.1hat :.i ~,; atAJc~l"dE:·d l .. o 0 . l . :1. l . l . . I l . p p o s 1 :. ·.1 on c· :1 ~; , ·.: r· J. c ·: c; , J_ n v <:'t I" 1. d :) . y fTIOI"E! TTIOrl"iE!S. But, Mr. SpeakE:~r. having sa:i.d that, 1 au1 grdi-E:~flll for tht~ rnoiT.ir::~s that ai"E! going to go to Bonavista 1\Jorth. And l know l:h;;\f_: the councils are going to be happy . I k n OIAJ t. hE! y l.I.JO ul cl 1 L k C:! l:. o g ('!

L rno r· (;! , but I think. in fa:inws~;. these ar·e basically l.:he pr·oj E!C ls l::hcll·.: I certainly emphas"ized to the min "i. s tc~ r o tJE! r Uw 1 as t_ y (.;!a r· . I l.I.JO U 1 d J. :i k E! t 0 haVE! ~;; E• e 11 a C U Up] <:• of lflUr'l:' pr•ojects, but- [ dlrl delighted For lhe peopJe of Donav"ist:a North for the projects that thE!Y got. But, Ml" . SpE•akE!r, I aga.-:.i n UI"9E! the 1nin:i .st:.er .in the Fut.UI"e l:.o lnake sUJ~e t:hat hE• ncli~I"Ol.I.JS the gaps :.in terms of the ratio of seats on this side, Mr' .

SpeakE•r', to makt: · s l.ll" <:! t. h a l: t h l:! 1 no n 1 E! s a I" r:. a 1. l o c a l:. f:O d Fa.irJy and justly. We are dealing IArith l·:hE'! money oF LhH taxpayl':!r's oF l h j s P l" o v :i. n c e , ~11" . ~; p e a k E:• r· , d. n cl I do bE! 1 i.E:! t; u L h l:! 1rri n :.L s l:. e r· "i s beginning to see through it by 1\Jo. '1·9 1~26~)3

virtue of the fact that thE!re are more projects on this side than there were last year. And I believe the minister is beginning to see that the people of this Prov-ince ar·e not go :ing l-:.o ac cr:~pt: this kind of political pork barrelling in the future. I'-1R. SPEAKER : Order, please! MR . LUSH: I believe that the people are r·ecogn.iri.ng that, Mr·. Sped!wr. And I wc.u1t l::o concludE!, Min. SpeAker, by saying to all hon . members, I beJ.ieve as a result of t.h<:~ acl-.:i.ons o·f the govl~r·nrn~:!ni.: i.n th.::~ pas l lha t it tAli 11 not be long now . SOME liON. MEMB E I~S : HE!cH', hear! MR. FENWICK: Mr .

Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the member for Menihek. MR . BRETT: A point of order, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: A point of order, the hon. the Minister of Munic-ipal Affairs . MR. BRJ:TT: Just to sEd~ thE! r'E•cord straiqht, Mr·. ~)pE~akPtn, iny han. Fr·i~'!ncl, lAJho :is a VEH'Y hon. mernbE~r. as tAlE~ haVE! altAJRys r·E~cogn.iz(,'d, has not : llti .sJ.ed l:~te HouSE! bu ·t misinfor'ITIE!cl il·:., I gUl'!SS, but not: -i.nt.enl:.j_ondl.l.y. M ~~ . S P E A I< E ~~ : 0J"detn, plE~asl:~! rhat is not a point of order . MR.

MAT'TI .. l EW~:): li C:' tJJa n t s to s , .. t l:hE! r·E·cor ·d L2654 June 3, 1988 Vol XL stra-ight. ord(;!r. MR. BRETT : That is a point May I state my point of order, Speaker? MR. SPEAKER: .,A ____ p_o:ri1~t---· -c~F 0 ln d E~ r ' t h E! h 0 n . Minister of Mun-icipal Affairs. MR. BRETT: of Ml". thE~ rJJ r· . . S p ~~ a I< E:! r , L h c~ h o n . rn e rn b ~=! r· h a s suggested the $97 million, which I annou n c eel th ·i. ~;; rnor·rd ng, 'is gi v c,~n out at the discretion - MR . SPEAKER: Or·cler·, pl~~r.lSl:!! The hon . ITlli:~lnber· i.s nol·:. 1naking a point of ordE!r. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR.

SIMMS: On cJ.ad.fication or sornE!thing, Min. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Sit down! Sit down! MR. SIMMS: Alright, a point of order then . ~.R.-~ ______ §£_~8J5 .. L-~ : A point of ordE!r, ·UlE' hon. U1E:~ Pr'E!S .ident oF lhE• Council. Mi~. SIMMS: Mr.

Speai<N', it has oftE•n beE~n a Pl"dc"l:"i. ce in L:h:i.~~ !lou se l·:hat mernbers on that s·.:Lde, l:his s:iclo, <.·1 n d l.: h u g r· o u p c:l o n c :i. n t h C:! c o r' n e r· haVE! fr·E·qUE!nlly r·isen on a point o·r Ol"cl(!i" L:o nxpJ.H ·i.n a ITidl::'lt:!r ' or· l:.o E:'XpJ.a ·.in LhP"iln pos::it.ion on a ti'lall:l':'l" I.Alh.ich lfli'-1Y hd L)(~ bf::'(''l'l lll.i .s int:erpr'l:'ted. Mf~. TULK : Mr . Speaker, a point oF priuilege . No. 4-9 R26 S4 -

MR. SPEAKER: A point of plAivilc:~g€:', the hon. the lfH~lllbtH' ·For Fogo. MR. SIMMS : How silly! Ml~. TULI<: What t.he hon . gE!nt.J.E•rnan is doing now Ln ri s i.ng dgc'li n :l s abu s L ng h L s position in the House to rise and acldr·c~~ss something l~Jhi.ch IAJdS done:~ by the Minister of Municjpal Affair· s and r· u lc:~ d out of or· d e r· by the Speaker . I knOlAJ the hon. mE!llli;HH' lAJOUld like:~ to run r·ough shodovt=H' this House. That is exactly what he would like to do but, in point of fact, Mr.

Speaker, he is abusing the priuiJ.eges of this House. by standing on a point. of or·ciE!r' and questioning a ruling Your Honor has jusl: made. He should not. be allowed to continue. MR. SIMMS: Mr. SpE!a l<"er, to that point of pr·ivi.leg~::~. MR. SPEAKER: To the point of privilege, hon . the Prt=~si.dent of Cotmci l.. MR. SIMMS: Lhe M r· . S pea i<E:' r· , h i s pInE! i'l rn b l e IJ.J a s I r· o ~; r,~ o n e1 p o .. i. n l~~ o r-:- u r cl <:! r· l".~ o d o sorne:~thtng IAJhich IAJas not a point of or·cl~=!r. What did t.he:' hon. mc~~mber· just do? He did E!Xac LJ.y t.hE! same thing.

If that.: :is the casH, Your· Hor-wr· obviously should haue ruled him out oF or·der· "in t:he same IAJi:'lY <~s you ruled the Minister of Municipal Affairs out of order. Mr·. Speaker·, my only point: ·is the1AE! hcWE! br:H•n many, rnany occasions where mHmbers on both sides of the House have taken L26':i5 Junr::~ 3, 19BB Vol XI . advantage of the opportunity through a point (,f ordt=~r to E~xpl.:dn r:1 pos:it .io n IAJhich may have been misinterpreted because of rn:L sin f"ol"lfiR t ion, Mr·. Spf:!a k E!r'. SurE!l') HlE!TnbE•IAS of Lht=:! HouSE!

IAJou1cl no 1·. 1Ak1 n L: 1 n-i. s i n f o r'l'll i'1 l:. i. o n , 1 i k r::! l.. 1·11:! rnembE!r for Bonav-.i.sta Nor·t.h IAJas p11U .~·i.n1,3 forth, 1-.o cont·i.nue IAJ.it.hout having the oppor·t:un:i t:y to· cl<.H'i f"y and <-?.xplain. So, tAJ:i.t.h r·espt=~ct: l.:o this point of order, I am not a r· g u i n g i t. . I a rn t ~~lid n g generally. Your Honor should probably, I hope, consider that point for future. Cer·tainly that. "i. s no priviJ.ege . The member r· u l e d o u 1: o f o r d e r· a n d of the House For abusing r'l R .

S P E A I< Er~ : po:int of shouJ.d be kicked out. tho rulf:!:>. rhere is no point of privilege. I recognize the hon. the member For Menihek. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. FENWICK : ln amongst l·~he po'.i.nl:s of Pl"ivi1E!9(:! and Ol"der and so on, I think maybE! sorne of t~hu p(~opl.C:! of l:~hr" Pr·ovincE· IAIO U 1 d l i k E! l: 0 h lC. Cl r· a ]. i 1: l..J. e b :i t: db011'1:. t:h(.:! lMi'ltBr' and ~;I:~IAJd(je dl'lcl road paving projects. I h i.'l v E! a c o u p 1 e of c o rnrn E! n l:. s , M r . S pea k e r .

T h "' f oi r s l~. o 11 C:! i s l: hi:"~ t. thE! governrnen t :in :its buci~~Ed: l.c"s 1:. year announced a $25 million frE•eze on capi. tal E•xpenciJ t·:ul"E!S l:~o go for three years, and I understand thr.1t :Ls t:he lAJay IJ.Jt:' kE•pL our' c r· <'> cJ :i. t r· at. i. n g up . I\: ·L ~; n OI.AJ at $42 mJJ.lion, and I do not: d i S a q ,~ e e IAI i L h I" a :i. S .i. l'l q ·i, l·. L 0 ~t /j. 2 mJlJion because we have cons:i!;l:·.enl':l.y Sdold l:hci l l.:hE :! Frec ~z e was clearJ.y a very fooJ ish l\Jay in 1\Jo . ll-9 1~26SS

1..uhich to things. I think should b~~ I"E!COgrd.Z<'!d 1'101AI t.hat government has backed down on of lts very important controlling policies. it th~::~ one cost [t also, I would suggest, Mr. SpeakE!r', is a harbingE!r, likE• thE! birds ar·e of Spr:inq, pE•r·haps of an election later on in the year, because one of the ways in which the government can campaign is by spreading a bit of money around the Province. But there :is another thing. There are quite deceptive figures in thls st~tement, Mr. Speaker, because a lot of people do not u n cJ E'! r· s t d n cl w h (" t: t s b o .L n y a 11. o cat(! d heinE:'.

ThE:~ $42 I'TI:iJ.lion is r·ea1ly a burTot;.ri.ng FH'OYi"diTIHie. In somP :ir1stancE!S the mun:ic:i.palitiE~s L h e rn s e l v f:! s h d v r:! t: o p r· o v ..i. cl e p c.'l r· 1:. u r=- it. I use an example Menihek, w~Lich got: ~~1!36,000 this year, I think due primarily to the fact that·: . I am r·unning .in i.~not.hE:'l'' district. I probably should have announced that three years earlier, ·in which case the district would not have suffered ouE:~r· lhE! last couple of year's at the hands of this government. But the $836,000, Mr . Speaker, is a sixty/forty cost-s~ared one, IAihich lr!E:~cHJS that the;!

FH:!opl.E! oF Menihek will pay about $300,000 of "it·. t;.lit.h !::he~ gove:~rnrnPnl:. !;upp lyi.ng $500,000. But ·.it.: is not actua11y sup p 1 yin q l~ h l'! 1no n e y : W h .::t 1: .i L i. s doing i~; a]locating the bon·owing for· Ll:. ~~hun '"''e look aL th('' figures subsequent:". to Lhis st:at .emE!ni'. thr:-1'1' . :is l:.he pl.ace ·i,n t~l~dch :d. is pa:id back. So u1hen l:h (! m:i.n:i!;tl'!r', qu .. i.l.: u Fool .. ishl.y T t.l·,~ink, al:.

Lhe back end of hi.s ~;L>'!LurnenL ·l,nd.Lci:'li:l'!S iher·e i!; ~~·l7 n1iJ.l:i on :in Lhe~1 all.ocation of b 0 I" I" OI.1J''i. rl CJ d 11 cl t. h l:! 1'1 '~ 9 '/ 111 .i.JJ :i 0 n 0 1'1 Lolal, IAihdt he~ does is hE! :is 1_2656 June 3, 1988 Vol XL counttng coun ·t.:i.ng YE!ar and the money the rno n E! y tt..u:i c e . He is Hw bor·ro1~o.dnq in this hE! is counting a lot of go Lng back to it. So what you are ending up wiLh, Mr. Speaker, :is a situation in u1h:i ch lhE!Y l'l.re cJ.a:i.rning crE!dit f'or much mor·e~~ lhcitn in fact. ·.is be·.inq done.

Bt:'cause LJ.Ihat happens is there is a Jot of=' municipal borr·owing that goE!S on that HlE'y have to address as well. The fact is. Mr. SpE!ai<E!r. what tAlE:! hc.~ve is c:<t si.l:·.uation in 1~.1hj .ch t:hE! governrnE!nt has abandonE!d a i'llaj Ol" pi"ogri.:liTIITIC:' ·in r:t:~r·1n~; of cos L control, ulh:i.ch I;.Je think is t..uisE!, a n cl a l l:. he s "'rn E'! l:. :'i. 1 n r:~ .i. s intr·oduc:ing a ti"E:~rnendous arnount: oF cleccq:Jt i.on i.n the l;ihol.·~ . aFlfJCc'iH'a nc:: • o f w h a t ·i s b ~'! j n g . cl o n l:! t:·. I· 1 E! I" e . F o r' (C.

X dlllp ·r E~ 1: h (o! 'I> g no. ()()() i. n lilY district :is no ·t $800,000 fr·on1 UH :! governnH:•n l: b11'l: $300.000 Fr'uiTI l::hE! constituents and $500,000 that :.i.s cornrnil':tl;!d 'in gual"!.:lnl :E:'E !l.rlg rnonc''Y For the particuJ.ar project. And I think thctt point should be rnade. PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr. Spc~akE!r . MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Premier . PREMIER PECKFORD: Ml". SpE!akE!r, I t;.r.ish to :Lnfor·rn this hon.

HoU Sl~ uf thE:• cont.inur:~d employment and economtc growth beiny experienced ln our Province. r1·1 C::! i. n c r· e i'l. s ·~ s ·i n E' m p l o y rn e n l:. o F 2 . e pE!rCE!nr: E!njoyc!d in 1987 ··- a gain oF 10,000 job s on a lllonl:h1y average bdsis -- is continu::i.ng j nto '1. 9 13 8 . A 1 r · e d' I y t·. h ·i s y E~ a r· • en1pJ.oy1nent. on bol::h ~>ei'Asonal.ly r'trlj ustt •cl c:-tnd llni. :\clj U!> i·f:•d basj .s. j '' Lhe highest ever recorded jn i\Jei.~Jfo,ln,ll.dncl ;:-\n,f Li:-1bl"d <lor·. In i.hc> fii"SL f'OUI" ITIOnl.hs of 1.988, monLhJy No. 49 [~2656

employment averaged approximately 193,000 on a seasonally adjusted basis, or 176,000 on an unadjusted basJ.s. These unprecedented gclins hcive di"OppE:!d UI1E:!ITiployrn.:.~nl l"atE•S OUE•I" th(;! rtr·st FOIIt' monLhs oF l~hi~; yedr' l·~o th(,~:il" lot ... Jest lE:!uels s:i.nc("' 1983, tAJ h E• n 1: h r::~ E~ f" f H c t s o F t h (,~ IJJO r l d ·w-L rJ ~~ economic r(,~CE!SS:l.on set in. During this period the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate dVEH'agE:!cJ 17. 7 pE!t'C~Hl t, COrrlptU'~:!cl l:o 19.5 pt~rcent during the fir·st four rnon l::hs last year·.

The aci:uctl unemployment rate auer·aged 20.3 per'CE!tlt For' this p.:.~riod, cornpar'ed to 22.3 per cent last year -- a drop of 2 Full percentage points. These significant decreases continue the dramatic improvement made in the Province's u n E'• m p l o y rn E!rl l: I" a l: E• l a s t y E! cH' . T h E! drop of 1. ,:+ per CE!nt in the r'al: .e in 1987 was the largest drop in the lHlE!Hiployrrwnt rat.(;! made by any province. MR. SIMMS: Any pt·ovi.nc~~ in Canada . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear', hear'! PREMl fR PfCKFORD: M I" . S p E~ <:~ b :! r· , IAJ e l'li.-1V C:!

F 1.1 i" 1:. h r:• r ·1: o go, but t:he pi"ogrE!SS tAW ar ··E· achieu ·.:i.nq rnak es bl<:<~tantl.y clec1r ' l..o di'IY fa:i .1" and objE~ctivc"• obsE•r'VE!I" l·:hdl the pr ·ogr'CJ. ITirnC:!S and pul ic:i.es of this goVE!r·nrnE!nL are dE·l:iver·:inq l: he q o o cl s . I h a v e i'l t L d c h·C:! d <·l graph of the provincial Ull('!rnploylnE'!I ''It. r·at:e to E:!nSUI"E! l:hdt the steady gain s being ITtadE• cannot be overlooked by those who would prefer to spread doom and gloom in l::he face of increasing prosperity. Jusl.. to be sure these gain s th·-'tl~. t:he does L2657 June 3, l9B8 source of not go Vol.

XL unmentioned let salient economic me l:ist indicators: a fE!l.\J PE!r'fol~rnancE~ of t:l1e lllanufa cl: ul" "ing industry :i.s up on the s trE!ngth of j.ncroctsed lctndinq s by middle d:i.stance Vl:!ssels and t.:hE• of fsl1or'E:• tr'dtAJl.C:!r fl.E!E!l".. The:~ volunt(:1 of Fish ldndinqs L~Jas up by approximatE!ly 11.4 per · Cl~nt dttr''i.ng 'i.:hc~ f-i.r'St l:JAJO lliOI'lths Of 1988 and total valUE! incr(;~asE:!d by about '1.3 pE!r cent in thE'!Se f'li"St few months of 1988. The volume of newsprint shipments cl u t' in 9 t. h ('! f :i r' s t t: h r· E!

E~ months of 1988 increased by 2.6 per cent cornpiH'E:~d to tht::' same pE!r··iod last year, w:i .t h the valu E! of shipnwnts up by 10.9 per .cent over last year, and .last yE•al'' lAJi.'IS a ~Joocl y E!d I". Ir'on or·c->. slrlprnents incr'E!C\S::•d by 20 per CE!nt during the first quartE•r of 1988. Mining 0xploration was at its highest level ever, with 51.~153 cld.iJns :i.n good st.:and:i.ng at the E!nd of March, compared to 3 3 , 0 8 l :i. n t: It C:! r 'i. r' s t q u a t' t l'' r· o f 1987, which was a record year.

Activity in the construction J.nrltts t:r··y sho 11lcl i:ippr·ox:llrJdl:.:e 1-.:he strong lt=!Vel s sus LainE ·d in 1.9i:l7. f~f~cc:•nL Sl lini.Jce>y~ ; c)f ·.in~Jc;-~:; J:.Irl~ '·l·l t inLentions indicate t:hat ('! X p e n ( I j_ J--u (''• 1:'! s s h 0 I I 1 ( r I" :i. ~:; "' d b 0 I I t 7 2 per cent th:is year. This economic expansion, c o n l:·. i. n u ·-i. n g 1:: he 'L n c I" e.a ~; ~~ o F 2 . 6 p e i" cent in the Province' s rea] d o 1 n e s t i. c p r· o cl u c f.-. l d ~; 1':. y e a r· , :i s reaping benefits for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. During the first Lwo months of 1.988, J-.·.o ti'\ 1.

IAli:l<:JBS ancl Sc"lld l"ll"S grew by 7. 3 per C(!i'lt~ compcH'E!cl l::o 1:: h E:! s a 1n e p e r· i. o d i n 1. 9 8 '7 . I f y o u J o o k a t. t h a t 7 . 3 p e r c e n l f i 9. LH' e No . 1~9 1~2657

1:~nd r·ealizc-?. that :inflation is sorne!Atht::!rc ;! <'-'round 3. 8 l::o '1- pr::!r c~ =!nt in NetAtfoundland, then obviously th~~ pl-'!Opl.e t:-lnd the consumer·s and thE:~ lAJi:'l.g~~ E!clY'l'lE:'t~s of l:l'w ProvinCE! are gaining on inflation. ThE!Sc;• ga.i.ns r(=! sull:.E!d ln gr·ot.~o.tt:h of 16.7 per cent in the value of retail trade in the first two months of 1988, continuing the tremendous gains experienced last year. This was the highest growth rate recordHd for this peri.od in fourteen years . This is the hig he:~ s t g r'OlAJ t.:h r·a tE! i. n r·~:! ta i.1 trade in fourteen years. SOME HON.

MEMBERS : Hear·, hE!ar! PREMIER PECKFORn : M1~. Sp(~akE!l~, l~E!gcu"dJ.ess of the p !:'! s !:: i. 116 !Wl d n d n C:=! g <:1 ·1: i t; .i. l IJ char·i.'tc LE!r':i st:.i c of thE! hon. mE•rnber·s 0 p p () s i t.:c:! I t. h :J. s g () l) ('! I" I'Hfl E· l'l'l:. lAti. ll continue to work with NE!lJ.tf ou nella ncl e r· s a ncl La brr:-ld o r··i. i:\ ns for the continued betterment of al1. I look For'IAJi.H'd t:o S(H:~"i.ng t.:he he a en ·.i ru?. s and co mrn en tar i e s of a 11 Falr and objective observers as thc:~y r'c-'!port these concrEd:e and unarnb:iguous achiE!VBtnE!nts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER : ··--·-~------·-The han . thE! LecldE!r of the Oppos i t.:ion. MR . WELLS : Mr. Speaker·, it -i_s d:iFf'icult to bel:i~:!VB that I~. hE! hon. the Pt~c:·rnier could actually makE=! Lhc;!se statements in the reality whjch N(~t.~o.tfounrllancl and thE=! pE'!Ofll.r=! oF Nr:~lAtfoundlancl fac(=! Loday. Thr:! si.mpl.n f'dcl: ·is IJC!S, L:her·r'! hi.'lvc• bE!E!I'I 501TI<"' itTlpl''OlJE!l'riE!I'lL .i.n tlrlC::!ltlpl .oyttl(:!nL. Btti: ·i.L i,!:; c\]!>0 i'l silttpJ e, s I'..J~a:i.ghtf 7 0l"lAtat"ci Fac L t·hc.~t. !AJH hd V ('! g 0 1: 1-:.E• l'l IAIO r· S (;! i·_hd l'l t h ('! l" (;!

S i: L2658 JUnE:' 3, 1988 Vol XL of Canada, not better. In ApriJ. of 193'7, r~r. Sp~H~kc:•r, our unernp1oyment rate was 2.15 times t. h e n a t :i. o n 1:<1 l a v l-?. r· a g ~~ . I n A p r· i 1 o f this year :it l.1.tas 2.27 t'.:irnE:!s the nal:.i.onal average: While they improved we got worse. The Depar'cJTI(:!nl~. or L.abour' 1 S OlAJn statisU.cs, filed J.n lhis state!Tlent -- MR. SH.IJMS: They - are not thE!ir statistics . MR. WELLS: It: b,~t:\rs th~=! sytnbol of th:is Province and it is said to be prodr.1ced cts 1:1. Labour· bull~:!U.n . MR. SIMMS: TL is not thelr statistics . Mr~.

SPFAI<EJ~: Or·d,:·r·, pl(=!a!;(;!! r~R. WELLS: If it is not Lheirs WE! t.~.r:i.l1 hopefu11y course. h(=!i!lr :i.i· .·. dunottnc(:!d in dut:! NotAl, Mr. Speaker, this is just an obsFucdti.on 1-.o COV\O!r' th<~ r·c:'al.i.ty pE:~oplE! are fad .ng in this Pr·ov.incr:~. t.o d-LvEH'l: a'l:tE!n-t.:ion atAtay from the fact that this goVE!rnrnent has pr·esided oV('!r' the dl~vastat .-ion of the economy oF this Province. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Heat··, hE!dl" t MR.

L'IJE L LS: I F you La k e i n 1': o a c c o u 11 t t h C:~ l OlAJ par·t:i.cipat:ion r·at.E• in NetAtfound]and dnd l.abradot", ottl" t"<:•al unemployment ~ate is between 35 p :'~ r· c <'> n t a n rl '1·0 p e r· c (! 11 1". . r h e figures Lhe hon. thE! Pt"ern:iE:!r .is l·.d'lk --i.ny i:\bottl~. ar·e pr•itrtal":i1y cler"iVE!d f'r-·om U•mpor'ai"Y, rnake-1.~1or·k p r· 0 j (! c l·. s I l: h <:·\ I-_ d i" ('! r d "' ~, (.~ j (l b ~; <:'t n cl no t: l" e a 1 j o b s a 1:. a 11 M l" . ~')pedi<C!l", h t:• -L n tJ :i. t c• s o p i. n .-L <) n an cJ No. 49 R2658

comrnent. I invite -him to ask comment from the people of this P 1" o v :l n c e tvh o cons t. t t u t e the L~ p E! r· cr:~nt rnc.H'E! of our peoplE:! t.uho arE! J.:ivi.ng bE!l.OIAI thE! pOV(:~r~l:y li.' 'IE:! r:hi:·ll'l were living below it in 1981, I}Ji'l('!n <:·1'1:: thl~ same l:ilrlE! Lilc:• numbc'!r of pE!ople :in the Maritim(:!S J.:i.ving below the poverty line hcls dE!CI"C~c-.H;ed. Tell th:is nonsE:~nse to 1: h o s E:~ p P. o p l. c,~ to~J h o h d v e s E'! l'! n l: h t->.

"i. r· income diminish to the point wher·e more than ,,. pE:~r Cl:!nl: ntor·r~ of 011r· peopJe, for a total of 21 per Cl:!l'll.:, ar(~ l."i.V.i.ng i:JHl.OIAJ l:h(~ pOlJEi!r1·.y line. Tell., Mr. SpE~aket", this n o n s e n s c,~ L o t:. h e 1 8 , S 0 0 p cW p 1. r~ lA I h o had to lE:'ave this Province in Lhe las 1: l::hr·c;!H YE!ar·s t:o put brHad on their· tablE:~ and to put clothE!S on t:hE=~ir· childr·en IAril·:.h a mocHcurn oF dignity and seJf-TE!SpE!Ct. TeLl that t.o those':! peop1e and seE! lf they believe that nonsense and {:ripe:~. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. WELLS: Last year, Mr.

Speaker, our u n e rn p 1. o y rn l'! n t r· E~ c i p i. H n t s r· l'! a c h l'' cl 100,000 for the first tirrtE!. Tell that. to those 100,000, Mr. Speaker. MR. PATTERSON : A point of order, Mr. Speaker . Mr~. ~?PF()I<F:R: 0J"der, pl .li!i:-lS('!! A po ·int or Ol"c:ier·, 1-'hP hon. '1-:hc~ member for Plac8ntia. MR. PATTEl~SOI\J: Mr. Speaker, I wonder would the hon. t.he L~~adur· of l·:hc:! Oppo~;·it:.-:i .on te11 us iF h:is ~;hal"E!S ai"E! ~Jo:ing on auct.ion, I:H:!caust~ I t<Jnuld br:~ interested :in buying sorne? Mr~. SPEAKE I~ : 0 r· d E! r· ., p 1 e a s E• ! L2659 June 3, 1.988 Vol. XL.

The t' e i s no p o .i n t o F or d e r . T h C.-'! han. member's time has eJ.apsecl. MR. WELLS: M r· . S p e <:l k t:'! t" , IAJ'i. 1·: h point of pl"ivilegE!. th .is oi ~:; supposed I"E!~;pEi!Ct, Of'l a Ml". Speaker·, Lu be:~ Lh::! democratic process in Lhis Pr'Ul.J-i.l"'cE:!, IAihE'•'t"E! bol:'.h s iclus h<:~t)l~ an opportunity to state a position. Tile::' Pr·f~rnJr:!r' !)Jf.-l.S gi.vc'!l'l i:Hl <:'tdequal" .t:! amount of time.

I stand up and I i·li'llJr~ 1-.o shout to ~; 1'10111: do~.o~m l: hE! volume of noise from the side oppos:i.-t:e. ..l.hli! hon . l::hr:! lrtt:!rnbl'!r' for Placentia, as he has donE! on f'ILIHIC:'ro''~' occasions, sl:.ands up :in this House and abuses the pr··i.vi.J.l~9l'!S o-f Lilli! HOUSE'! on fr·ivolous points of ot"dE•r. Not.u, Mr . :->peak l'! r· , I have no t. h a cl an opporLunity to pr ·oper1y r·e spond Lo 1: h .L s . That is an abu se u f 1n y p r· :L v i 1 E! g e , i'! n d :L t h a p p t::• n ~:; l:. :i 111 E' a n cl t.i.rne age;, i.n. PREMIER PECKFORD: To that point of privilege, Mr . Speaker.

This is ridiculous! Onu~ again t.hE~ Lec1dE!r of the Opposition is abusing the rules .of Uw H o u s e . l h ad 1·: h ~>. o p p en· l·: u rd. t. y to - get up and give a st:ai::E!TTlE!nt, as i.s rny r·-ight IHld(>.r· l:ht:! Sl· .and-.ing Orders, and the han. the LE!ad€:•r of l:.h(;! Oppos 'i.t::-Lon hdd i.'ln oppOJ"t.un-.i.l·.:y to get up and respond Lo lhe s t"' t E! rn r:! n i. . r F 1.: h n h o n . L 1·1 C:! 1 c·:! ad r:> I" of Lhe OpposiLi .on dOE!S not: J.-ikc;! I: h n r· II 1 r:• !) u i t h '.i. ~, 1·1 u I I ~:. ,::. ' L rc h (;• does no'l: 1-.i.kc:• LhE:! heat, gE!I: out oF t he k i l. c h 1::! n . MR.

SIMMS : f~oi.ght on! SOME l-ION. MEMBERS : HE!ar, hE!iH'! MR. SPEAKER : 0 r· d e r· , p 1. e a s e ! There is no point of prJvilege No . 4-9 1~26~)9

hel"E~. AJ.l hon . mE~rnber·s knol..IJ that i.HlY hon. liWITlbt:!r cdn get 11p on ''' po:i 11t of Ol"dE:~r any ttrm>., and I arn cpli. 1·. e p r· E'! p iH' C:! d to r e cog n i .1. o Fl n y niE>.nlbE:!l" t;.Jho t,..J::LJ.l get up on a potnt oF Or'dC'!r'. MR. FENWICK : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : The han. the member for· ME!nihek . MR . FENWICK: Mr. Speaker, the statement the Prernler has delivered seems to suggest that LhE!re is a seriE!S of government policies which hcive been followed since his mandate startE:'d .in 1979 wlri.ch has l.r:•d to this great situation.

I would r· c,~ 111·i. n d h L 1r1 t h cd·. a co 1.1 p 1. E:• . u r~ year · s CI~~O i).JE• had SOrrlE! pt"E!l:ty bleak S \-. d f.: i. St. j C S , E;! I),::! 1'1 b J (! i't k U (' l: h d 1'1 lA)(;• hetvc;! l:o day, and I r·eaJ.J y tAJOuJ.d no L s 1 .1 g g E'! s 1·: 1·. h a r··. d n 1.1 n E'! 1 n p 1 o y 111 C:! n 'l: r' d i: c,' ovet" 17 pE:H' CE!nt is anything to pdrt ·icltl.cH'ly Cr'OW e1bout. Havi.ng Sd.id thc-\1::, r"'r.

Spt'!i:)b=!r, t t.l·1:ink onE! of thE! irnpot"tant things t. o r' r->.JJH::'! rn ~w r i. ~; 1.1-w . r>. con o JJI'.i. c recovery which is occurring here i. s s o r' t·. o f t h e v e r' y c:l c:l l. <:<~ y EO! rl e ·f f l:' c t of et t.r·ernendous E•conomic re!covery :i.n Centr·al. Canada, !Aih ·i.ch hr~s tended to put rnore and rnore demand o n o u r i r o n o r' E:~ <;t n d o u r· pap E! r· a n cl a number of othE•r rE!so urcE! S. So, l:.o a J.ar ·qE~ extent., l~his ·i.s an externally generated economic activity at Lhis polnt.

ThE! othE!r' thing I IAJould likE:• to suqgE:!st 'i.s t-.hat. if yo1.1 look back to LhE• Econorni .c Counci] oF Canada s t u d y d o 1'1 e i. n 1. 9 B 0 , tAJ h i c h d .. i. d d major study oF Lhe Newfoundland u c u n u tn y , i. t. c 1 c:' d l"·l y s i:l i d t. h i'l 1: 1 ... h (! provincia]. government does not haul'! !:hE! f''.'i .ni'lnc -i.d l ].l::!lJ<'·r·~; i·.o I"C:!alJ.y do a ilt:•ck Of c\ loi:: aboul~ uner~~pJ.oytnt:!nl'.; 'i L·. hi:'L~> l:.o bn rlo nf:'! by l.2660 June 3, 19B8 Vol XL the rnaj or· J.eVE!rs hE!ld by thE~ F 1:! d E:! r' a J. g o lJ e r· n 111 E~ 'n l: . () n d l.J..J h e n I seE>. the LE!<.'ldE'r' of tht::' Opposition and t:i"w Prc =!mi e1' ric'! bat 'i.ng IAJhe l::hE!r ' the poJ.icies have been good or bcHI, j! ... r·ern-i.nrls ntE:• or :~ l:·.h•:' P~'!I"SOil who stood cJ.apping all the time a n d IAJ h C'' n s o 1 n e o n l'' d s k (! cl h i rn t.1J h y h i s tAla s clapping, hE'! said i l.: tAla s to kec.;op thE=! ldt!phant:s cHuay.

And of courSE!, when hE! said,· 1 But there are no E.~l.c,~phants ar·ound her·e 1 • He said ., 1 Yes, you SE!e, it works. 1 I think that is the samE• JeVE!J. of debate that ls golng on here. Quite frankly, it is Jmportant to have the proper macroeconomics policies at the Ottawa level which IJJ .. L11, hopefully, c;!tJE!t 'll:ua1ly provide the kind of economy in IAlh i. C h W(' IAJ ~i.l.l. p r'O ~; p (!I'' d ~; .':! peoplE!. The onE! rnaj Ot" LhJn~J tAlC! should br:! kr:•(::•ptng c)n i~:; Lo co nl.:r·ol our rnaj or ' indus Lri E!S .

And hi'tv:ing s 0 'l cl F p r. l. i:) s 1: y E'! d I" ' I s I II.:] g f'! s 1·. l': () you that. w~~ sold away onE! of Uw Jllc:tj 0 r' (~ C 0 l"lCliii"L C l.C:!

I) H r·· S IAU~ hdd t".o shape our economy . And since this yor'lr FPI has gone,~ off to C('!l'llr'i:,1l Amli:'rica and the Paciftc :in or·deJ" l:o rif :!VPlop, T J;Joul.d ~;,~ty Lh1:!y <'H'E ! not doing rnuch for us. MR. SPEAKER : At Lhis stage, r would like to welcome to Lhe gall er ies sixty C r· a cl C'! I V L o V s t:. u d e n t.: s I' r· o rn ~3 t . JoSE! ph's Primary, HadJOur· Ma:i.n, IAJ ·i L h t: 11 e i. t" t:: e d c h e r· s , G l o r· i a McDonc1ld and Sis LE!r E:J ·.izabe t.h Ann Da1Lon. SOME HON. MEMBERS : 1-1 e a r· , h l~ d r· ! ' Ml?.

SPEAKER: I tAIO u1 d a 1 ~; o l ~j k (' For·L:y -- ~;eVl'!n Gr'd•lt :! Vl: Lheir two t:eachers, d n d rJJ n l. v i n :l <'~ ll , chapE!l"OI'lS, Ol.i .VE' .Jocc•J.yn i"HI .FrH'c:i, l'r·Utll No. 4.9 La IAJE:•Jcornl ~ ~; J· I I d l'! n [·:. ~; IAJi I: h Nol"lll Aus t:i n <.'It H'l i·tAIO TE! LFot"c/ <:'111d 1\ ;·,, ] p h I . d ·i I u R2660

Pent ecostal Academy, Lewisport e . SOME HON . MEMBERS: Hear·, hear·! Oral Questions MR . WELLS : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPf.AK ER: The hon. the I.Oi:-1dl'!r' of I~ h !!:~ Opposition . MR . WFI..I S: Mr. SFH~i:1kE!r, ov~H' i·:h~~ l.t<ts L I::I;.JO or H11neE:! n1onths we helve on a numb~~l" of occastons r·c·l "i. SE~c:l t:h~'! :i.ss11E~ .. i.n th-..i .s HouSE! of an agreE!lTIE!nt to~dth I"E!Spc.:>c t. l··.o l~hH rc'l .i. lL~Ji'tY. On each of tho se occasion, we have been ad v . .L s e d by e :i. t. hE! r· l he h o n . t h (,' Premier or the Minister of Transportation (Mr.

Doyle) that no, there l.I.Jcls no agreement rE!ached and ther·E:~ l.l.las no d-.1.scussion. We have accepted it, despite the fact that indtcations IJJere l:o the contrary. La s t evenlng and again this morning there was a pretty detailed report on CBC that an <:tgrp(,~rnent had, :in fact, been r· r:! ''' c h e d s o ITl r:! t i r n e i:l g o , d n d t·:. h <:'1 1·.: i. 1-: was pending only decision by f ('! r.i E! r• i'l l ;·,11 .1 l: h 0 I" i. l: "i. f'! S d S 1·. 0 IAJ h i. C h dE:!FJdl"t:nrE:•nt IAJElS ~JOli'1~J l:O pay th('! cosl ~. oF funcl·inq.

T ctsk th0 Pr f'!rn:i .f'!l", i.s U1H Cf:lC corr ec t , or that he gave corr·ect? ctr e the stal :ei"IIE!n"L s l· o 1: h j s H o 1 1 s n f:' <'t r·l ·:i. c· I" Ml~. ~:1PFAI<FI\ : rhP hon. !.:hE! Pl"(!lll i.~ :!t '. PREMIER PECKFORD: lllajor'il..y I think the Newfoundlander s l.i .s ten "i.r1g l~o of 1": hE! L2661 Jun E! 3 , 1988 Vol XL latter part of that question would have an a~swer pretty fast. Is CBC correct or are the comments made by the Premier of the Pl"ov"lncE:~ cor·r·ecl:: I lhoink Lhc,• major:ity of Newfoundlanders w ould knOl!J t:.hr~ i:'ll"lSIAJl ,!ln to 1-.:hat.: qUI'.!St: iOI'l .

I think it is pretty easy. Tn i·.·.hr "~ Le<,ldr'!r ' of tile;! Oppo~;i .l:.'"i.on's

preamble he mE: ~ntioned that I had said, and ot .:hr,'r ' nH->.rnb< -'!rs of the governrnE!nt, that therE! was no .:1grec~JrHHll.: and l:h( ·?.r'e 1.1.JdS no discussion. We never ever said Uw l" E! l~li'l s no d ·i. s c 1 1 s s =i. o n . [,~ C'! eli d say there was no agreement. To t.h-L~; po~i .n ·l: ·i.n 1~.-.i.rnP, Mr'. ::ipedkr,~r ·, that statement stands. There is no dgr·~~ern~:!ni ·. br:!t.tAJE~f'!n LhH f(;•clc:!r· ;-;~.J. government and the provincia] 9 0 l) (;! r· n rn en l: r·l s i. 1-: r· I"! 1 d t (·~ s L 0 t. h (• lr·ailtAJay . MR. TULK : Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the member for Fogo .

MR . TLILK : Mr. Speaker, I haVE! a que s tion for t h e P.h n-is t. e r· o f Lc:~ b c11 1 r· ( M r . Blanchard). Some weeks ago, on Apr -L l. 19 , UH ~ m ~i. n is t. e r· , and in fact the Premier promised to pI" o v -L c I e ,.~ n s IAJE:! r· ~; I·· o c f:! r· t: i''t i. n questions concerning Lhe lea si ng of spdcc:! for t:he IAiur·kE :!r··s ' CornpE!nsation Appeal. T r·J.bunaJ., ·.·.i.n p i:~ I' [: l C I I 1. i·ll" , i:'l ~; 1·. 0 · IAJ h y J·: h f" y l. e d S ,::• d it: . fol" $14.85 Ol" $1Ll -.9 1), l.o~Jh e n J l: h i. n k I· h u y c o u J d h <:1 v e g o I·· 1 .. '"~ n i I· for three dollar s cheaper .

That has not IAJOUlcJ dSk J-.:hC! YE!t b(,~E:!n clone. I M--Ln·i.s LPr ' oF l.ttbuur·, IAJho has g:i .ven us assur·anc('!S on i'"l numb,:·r· of occ c:ls"i. ons • on Apr· ·i 1. "19, May 9, and l th:i.nk as lal:e Et ~; a IAJ l:• ~~ k i.'l g 0 IAJ il (! rl C d l'l 1. •H:O ~ 7 i. rl m 1. J. y E!Xpect LhosE• ansiAJers a~:; to l..I.Jhy he l e a s E! d l: h a t p a r· !-:. ·i c u 1 cH ' s p a c C'! ,"\ l:. i:'l No. 49 R2661

~d.ghor· pr·i.c~~ t.h:is Pl"OV~incE! got.+ ·.E! n il: For? 11-11~. ::3PI::AKFi~: l:o 1:1-w l~<:t.Xpdy<,~r·s oF then he could have The hon. thE! M:i.n:lstel" of l..abotH'. Mf~ . f:lLANCHA!W: Ml". SpE!akE:!r', the simplE! short an s u..JC;! r .is i. t: ,,~.rill I:H,~ r.l o rH~ Monday . The Premier gave an undertaking to the lioust;! thCl.t h<,~ l.o~Jds go'i.ng l:·.o provide thE! infol"mation earJ.ier. Bt~t, Mr·. Spi::'!aker, I do want to say that the han. gentleman is not stat:ing t.he facts. I d:i.cl explain to h:im why this space was taken at higher than the lowest tendered r·ate.

And I explainE!d to him that tJJe in t.h~~ Departrn~~nt., not t.:hE:' Tribunal but department.a11y, WE! looked at. all of the space and thought Lhat Uris t.uas most a c c (~ ~; ~; .i. b 1 ('! ~'l n d h r;t cl 1·. h (;! b t'! s t parking arrangements. We lorik ed e1t. t:h~~ k . .i.nds of peopl~:! tAJho IAJ(~I"~~ going to be utilizing the space and go-Lng thE!r'C·) For· hPr~r·"i.ngs, and it was done on that basis. M!~. TULK : Mr·. ~3pc,~akE:~t", a supplen1entar·y . Ml~ . SPEAKU~: The hon . riiE!mbet" for Fogo, a s u p p l t,~ me n tcu· y . MR.

TULK : I say Lo the minister, !:hat aJso on Lhe same date, April 19, he promised to tell me whether the Chairman Compensation ln conflict. of the Workers' Appeal Tribunal was MR. SPEAKER: Ord~'r, please! MR . TULI<: I ask the m:in:i .ste r ·-· that t.o~Jas fJ.VE! \.!WE~ k ~; i'il 9 0 I~J h E:• 1'1 i S i·w 9 0 i. 1'1 q i· 0 t E~ 11 u s t.o~J he t h ~H' !: h ~=~ c h a :i I" t n a n o f' t:i'lt'! Wor·k(;!Y'S 1 CotnpE!t'lSai·.·i.on rtpp, ·:!c'1J 1..2662 June 3, 1988 Vol XL r r •i. bIt n c:l l. -L s :-i. n r'\ c:onflic ·i: of interest position? PREMIER PECI<FORO: He~ has aln~ady sd·i d Mondi~1Y. MR.

TLILI<: ltJ o u J. d ·yo tt k HI·'! p 1·: h H PI" r;! rn .i. t'! r· qui<;! I: , Mln. SpE:~aker? PREMIER PECKFORD: Ask your supplementary, boy! MR. TULI<: WouJ.d the minister tell effect. !::hal: is having on going on in this Province Workers 1 Compensation Tribunal? MR. SPEAKER : us what hearings with the Appeal T h e h o n . l: h '=~ r"l L n .i. s 1·: ~~ r· o r I. a b o u r· . MR. B LANCHA IW: Mi n. Speakor·, I havre! Ed .r·E~ddy sa:id dc->.'1-.c:d .J.,::!d ·LtlFor'llktl:ion 1Ar.i.1 1 bE• provided on it on Monday. The SE!COI'ld anslAJer :l s : It is hav:.i.ng no C'!ffr:~c t 011 h1·~ar·"i.ngs, Mr·. Spr::!i'lkE!r.

MR. TULK: Mr. Speaker. rJt R . S P E A K E R : A fjnaJ. supp1E:!rnE~nl..c11"'Y, t.h(~. hon . ·Uw liiPml:l(!Y' ror· l'.ogo. MR. TULK : Mtn. SpE!akE!r', in r·eJation to LhE:~ sp<;~cc->. !·.:hal· .: t.•.Jds r·Pntr:•d , I ask ti'H?. minister: Is he now saying it was only for· pcitr·killq acc~:!ssibi.1ity, or· indE!ed :is hE! st:i.Jl saying it. lAJas because of accessibility For the he1nd:i cappE~d? M!\. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. thE! MinjstE·r· oF Le1bour . Mf~. 13 LANCH A RD: r hr.'tV(:• alt"f.!d1ly !: u·t d I·: he hon . No . 4-9 R2662

rnernbElr, Mr·. Sp(,~aker, !:hat. th(-?. detailed information will be given on it Monday mor·ning. And thcj\t is the third time that I have said jt. MR. EFFORD: Ml" . Speah!l". Ml' . SPEAKER.: T~1e hon . UH?. rnembE!r for· Por·t elf~ Gr·au e. MR. EFFCHW : Mr·. ~3pc,~akc->.r, my quc;lsi:i.on i.s to t.he Minister of Municipal Affairs concr-:lrn:.i.n!j Lh is rl:isg1 .1s L:ing stcttement that he gave ouL this ITJ<H'IT.'i.ng on nu.lnic:i.pdl. gr'dnl:.'> . r: tJJouJd J:ii<E:! to e:~sk the ministel", in the fdi.r and poli.t:i.cal wcty he gaue OUt t.hOS(:! gnHitS, IAJOU1d hE:' explain l.

J) the l·lo11~;r:! IAJhy Four' C<.HIIITllllri L:·'i.es :in CoriCE!pi:Jon Bay SUI"t"ounding t·~he r.l L ~; 1:: r· .-i c l: of. Po r· 1:. d t:• C I" c1 \! <'' •J o i... '!i 7 ITJiJ.] :ion and LIIE:! d:istr·:ict oF Port de Grave never got $l? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Poor member! MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the Minister of Municipal Affairs. MR. BRETT : For the same reason I guess, Mr . SpE!d.kE!r', !::hal: : SC'!Vt':!r·aJ. COIIIIlllHl i l::-L<:!S in l:hE! clist.:r:ict of Td.nit~y North ar·r-~ noL going to t'\:!Cl:!ive any lfl<)ney l:h:is yE~ar·.

I f.lm goj ng to hatJe l:o ('! x pl. a i. n L t U1 r:· s cHll E! '" s U1 (• h o n . fri(-!ITiber ' is. Thei"E! J.s not E•nough rnuney l ... o go dl"ound. Mf~. EFF'Oi~O: ----·- ·-------- Ml" . ~:; p (:! Ct I<"' I" . MR. SPI:"(JI<Fr~: A ~;;I .IFlPll::'lllr:•nLal· ··y, l"hU hon . l.:h(:! 111e1rlbe1'· rol" PoJ"t dE· Cl"avE:' . MR. ErTOIW : Mr·. Spf' !dker, l·.:hu d 'i s t. r· ·i. c t. or 1...2663 June 3, 1988 Vo1 XL Trinity North got $700,000 . MR. SPEAKER : Order, plE!aSE!! MR.

EFFORD: I ask thE~ ministE!r, Ml" . ~;pe<.'tkN··: S.i.ncc;! four · cornrnun:i .L:i.us IAJo.il :.h LoL~JI'l cound .ls jn thE! d:istricL havE· absolu~ely no water or sewer services whatsoE:lver', and SEHAJagE! :is Fl.o1.~.dng on Hw gnlLind, d'id the mj.n:i.ster not see it neCE!SSaJ"Y l·:.o yj.vp 1·:hosn conHnun:i.l:'i.es i'l.l·: l.l:!ast some money to start their projects? MR. SPEAKER : T h (~ h n n . i·. h e rJt .. i. n i s i·: f'! I'' o f rJt 1.1 n ·i. c .i. p a 1. Affctirs . MR . RRETT : r~uch ·IJJf:! ~;r'tl(J<~ an::;t,)('!Y', r·~l".

SpE•aker. 5E!IAJi'lgE• j·'' FJo1.-~r.i.ng on l::hH g r· o u n cl i. n llli:Hl y c o rrn n u rd. 1·: ·i r:• !:; i n I: h i ~; Pr·ouince betL•JE'E!n POJ"L CIUX Basque~:. and ~3t. John Is J cHid l".hc:! dep,H'LIIIl:•nt: is doing thE! best it: can L•dth thE• l"~~sourct-:lS .i.t has l:.o addr·ess th<::•sc• problems. MR. EFFORD: A finaJ supplementary, Mr . Speak~r . MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary, the hon . the member For Port de Graue . MR. EFFOrW: r a s k 1:: h (;! rJt i. n · i. ~; t.: ('! I" o F M u n .i c i. p <~ 1 AfFa:ii"S, is th:i.s not dorlE! on a pol-LLi .cdl b<:."ts:i .~;?

T~; it . noL because the member for Port de Ci'd\J("! and h<·1S h·i s n<)J'!Joi nFt i·. 'i.un l:.hE! rn:in:is'l'..E!I" knOIAJS 0 v (:! I" IAI i. L. h r ul1 I.\ I r-:· 1 1 iJJdi' hi .s C:JOlH!r'niiJUnl: Cdnnt)l·. ptJI'.· d ca ndida te in that district who 1~ri .ll b H db L~ i'cJ '~ri n t. hat d::i.st. l"'ict ? Is :it not. clone on a p o -1 ·i. 1.. ·i. c: d .. 1 b d s ·i ~' , l.-'.1 h H n I. h r::• colnlnun:i t·~:i .E'!S of' HaJ "bO UI" GJ"·acE'' dnd C c·11" b 0 1'1 H d i'' h d \! (! 'l () p f:! r· C ~:· i ., 1·.·. ~;('I"\! i C C• and thE· dtsLricL of .

Por·l: de Cl"aUE• h d s o n 1 y 3 0 p (:! r· c C! n 1: ~; e r· v ·i c o ? No. 4·9 R2663

MR. PEACH: Poor John! stovc->.s. Go back to selling SOM~ HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. ~)PEAKlR: The hol 'l. the A FFwi .r·s . MR. R f~ET r: M:i nistr:!l" of Mun:i.c:ipal Mr. Spc->.aker·, I could not hE!ar· a1l t:he hon. member sa'i.d, but I did hear enough af it to know that mos'i-. of IAJhat: l·w sd.i.d IAJi:;(S r·aUH'!r' foolish and ludicrous. He is asking me questions with a s-tatmnE!nt in his hand, and one of the first things that I see in the statement js $1.2 milJ :ion for the ~3tr·a_i.t or::- Be11E! Ish!. He .is asking me if this is done on a p o lll.: :i c a l. b a s -j_ ~; .

N o , M r· . ~J p c:~ a k c~ r· , it is not done on a political bas ·i. s . As I l. o o k "'cr· o s s t hI::! r· (~ , I can see one, maybe two of the t.o l:d 1 rnE!mbc·H'S of l: h::• Op po s L ti on who did not get funding this year. Fveryborly else in the Opposition, both parties, got Funci ·i.ng fro111 i·:h-i.s pr·ogl·'dfiiHIC'!, so hoiAJ can hE! say it. :is donE! CHI a p 0 l. j_ t j_ c c.'ll b cl s :i. s ? MR. WF.LI.S : Thr·c-:!e. MR . Hl\fTT : Okay, Lhr'\'>\'!. I an1 ~;or·r·y. ·rhc'· L,(:!aclr:!l" of thE:! Oppos..LL-.:ion says t h r· E! ~;, , FlU t 1: h c->..

I. l:! d d r-'!r' 0 f 1:. h \::~ Opposition knouJs that Windsor is a VE·r·y spc.:.ciaJ. cc.1se tAd.l::h sornt-:! very, VE!ry SE!r·ious problE!lflS, and the government is dealing with that. There have to be long-term solutions there. It is being dealt with by the government. MR. W. CARTER: Mr . Speaker . L2661J- June 3, l9BB l)ol XI. MR. ~3PF::AKER : ThE! hon. the rn~:!mber for r~Ad. J. 1 :i. ngi'l i'.E!. MR. W. CARTTR: M r• . ~3 p l:! "' k ''! I" , 1 n y q 1 1 l'! ~; +·. ·i. o n i. ~; F u r·· the Minister of Fisheries.

On bE:•hdJ.f or: fl(:'OP l r~ affected IAJhos e by thE:~ the a]rnost :1.,500 1 :i. lJ e l :i h o u d i. s shut ·-dot~.m of thE! pJ.c~\nt:s :i.n St.:. LdiAJrenc:.:~, Lat~Jn, r~osE! Blan .CE! and Port aux Basques, c<Hl l:he mi.nisl :er give.:. UH~ House an update, Mr. Speaker, as to what the situdtion is i.n that regard? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries . MR. RIDEOUT: Mr·. ~)pc;!akC'!r', T t:hi.nk 1 have'! said to t hE!

H o u s e t hat p r· a c 1·: :i c a 1 J y 0 V 8 r• y d i:\ y U f 1:-. h :i S IAH'! e k , Up in I· 0 thE! ]atE! hour· s of 'thE• n.ight, UrE• rnE~rnb c:! r' Fur · Cr·;uld lli:'ll'lk i:'ind rnyseJr~ and othE!r'S in the goVE!rnlTlE!n t haVE! b (:'(>.1'1 i. 1'1 C 0 1'1 S r. f:l 1'1 l d iJ~ l 0 g I I (:~ IAJi t h Mrs. Ting . I can say to the han. g e n 1-.1. e tll ,:, n , d s "'' r· E! s u l. l:: of discussions held last night, we H1 U1 k so fll C:! pro g r'l'! s s ivt !:: bE! co• n madE!. We expE!Cl: M1ns. Ting w:j 11 I:H' ! c:o1n:i.ng 1:o l:hc'~ P;"ov'i.nce l::hl'!

Foir·sl: part of nE!Xt 1.1.1eek, hopE!fuJ.ly l:o s'i .t do1~1n lAJ'i.i :h l:he Ca b i.net: cornm :i. Ll:.E•E> 'Lhat i. ~; L•Jor •kj ng on t:hj ~:; nre\ t. 1-. C:' r . li>l"i . L h h u r· co • o p ('! r· a 1:·_ i.u n , I•.H:! arE• going to do uJha t lAJ f• ca n lo, hop(:!fii .1J. y, p111:'. !:~OI!IE!th.i.nq tog Ed: hE! r . Of co ur" s e , I 1.~10 u] d no t g l. V C'> d l~ i: r.·\"i.l IAJh i.l f'! I'.JH d I"('! nE!gO t-.:i at:ing, anyway, but I can say, i.n honest:-.y, ~h~t we think solllE! progr·ess has b(:!E!n ITkl.dE• e1nd IAJE ! iH'e 'co nt.Jnu -i.ng t.o IAJOr'k on :it . SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ar·, hE!iH'! MR.

W. CARTER : A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . 1\Jo . '1-9 i\2664

MR. SPEAI<Ef~: . The hon. UH~ rn~~rnbE~r· for· Twillingate, a supplementary. Ml~ . W . CARTER : Ml". SpeakE!r, I ask thE! rn:Lnister, in light of the comments marle during l:he adjournrnE'!I'lt debatE:' Jast c~vening by !":hE~ rnc-".ITiber· For· Gr·and Bank (Mr. Matthews) to the effE!Ct t h a t M r s . T i n g d

c) E~ s n o t d p p c,~ a t' t: o be too co-operative or too willing t.o co .. ·-OPE~rat.E~. does 1:-.I'H,~ lfllnist:er· have a fall-back position, given the fact, Mr ·. Speaker·, that t-i.Jne is running out? If that plant doc,~s no!~ opE~n soon l!IC:' h<Ti\JO los L thE~ Sl':!ason. Does H1c~! minister hdV('! •'l Fdl.J. .. br:-1r:k pos-.i .t.·i.on -i.n Lh~:! E:!Vent Lhat the membE!r' s preclict:i.Un!; i:lt'H COI"r'E~ct o'lnc:i Mr ·s. To:i ng IAr.i 11 no l:. co- ·operat.e in .:-11-LuiAI'.'i.ng t:hE'! gotJE'!I'I'1111!-:!n 'i': l·.o 1·: .• :1!<1:! OVE:!I" !".hat. plant, 01" a I'IE:!IAJ OFJE:'r'atOI"

h) lfiOUfC! "i.n l:hf'!t'(:~ i:\l'ld 1:.<·\ke OUel"? MR. SPEAKEr~: ThE~ hon. the Minister of Fisheries . MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker. the hon. gentJ.ernan knOIAJS, and I t.:hink evc~r·ybody ln thJ.s HouSE! and E~verybody in this Pr·ovince knows, that: Mrs. Ting, if she wjshes to be difficult to deaJ tAd L h , can lnt'l k E! l. i. f e p r· e L t y unbearable for c! J.ot of us. She dol:!S nol: OlAIC'~ UlC'! govE'!I"nJnc'>nL a11y monE!.Y.

She is not: mortgaged in a n y IAii:~ y to l: h ~=! g o u r::• r· n rn e n 1·: . !11.1 n d o not haVE! any lE·VE!I"'S t~o pul1 !~hat Ci'li1 cauSE!. !::he,, cornpdny such cl:iff:.i .c u1Ly !:hat: she IAJOuld have to c 0 lfll~ 1'. 0 d (·~"' l. IAJi l·:. h 1.1 s . L•l e r'lr' r:. l~r·y:i.ng !:o deal. IAr:ith hel" :i.n a ~; l:: r· d 'i. g h t F o r'I.\Jd r' '' , b 1.1 s ·i. n n !; ~; J·i !< P n1anne1". Tl. :if; l":i"Uf:' Ll·1d!'.· up unL:i .l d F('!IAJ hour·s ·'<.rJo l:.hnr·o h..:ts i:J,.;•c!ll sornu clifr:· :.i.cuJty. l arn I'IUL say:i.r1g 'Lht'I"E'! In d y n I) 1·. b (• " :i r r· -j c I il.

I y -i. n 1·: h ('' ci.::J y s Lo COI11e. but IAJhat I haUE! saoid to L266S Jurw 3, 1.988 Vol. XI _ thE! l::hdi.: and han. gentJ.eman is S OIW:O pr·og r'(~! S S h<TI S tAH:' b C:' J. :i. e V E• bE!en lfli:i1de we will foJ.low up progress, hopHfully, pcirl of next week. .i.n on t.hat: l··.he First In t:.r::!l"rns oF Fc\11 -·back pos'i !'. .. 'ions, MJ". SpeakE!!", thei"E! ar··E! al1 k:ind~:; ol fa1l · .. ·b<:'lck po~dli .ons, bul - I do not propose to speculate on any of t: h o s c.:! p u b l i. c 1 y a t UH~ 1n o lfl c~ n t . MR. W. CARTER : A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR.

SPEAKER: A F'.'Lnd"'. supplE~In<:!n"i".ar·y, t:hc'! hun . t:he membE!r' For· TiAJilltngat:E:!. MR. W. CARTeR : r!J t' . ;) p H C\ k I'! r' , t. h (:. f d c 1.: gOUE:'I"I'lll'len!: :is in th:is I·.I·H:! 17 •'ill] !". '1. ·j (><) IJ..J.i 1, h u l (' <:1nd h:is gouel"l'll'll(:!n L. MR. SPEAKER : Or'dE'!r, pl.E~ase! MR. W. CARTER: 1": h<·ll: !:". h('! posit . .i.on, ill ·j i'l "i. ~; 1". !,:' I" T h c,~ c o n d l l:: i. o n s u n d e r· IAI h i. c h t h a t p]ant was was given o~er - MR. SPEAKER: Or·der·, please! MR . W. CARTER: Mr.

Speaker·, my qUE!SUon: Cjuen l:l'w i.mpor·t .d nce oF !:.hc:~l:. pl< :'ll"'l to the residents in quesLion, wi11 !: he lfl'.'i n "i. !; Ll:! I" no 1·. 11 OIAJ 1.1 n de r· t··. <:'l k c hE! doE•s have lE·VE!rS that he can 1.1 s e j n 1:. h ·i. s H o u ~; n - l:: h ,,, l:. 1.

F <'I n agreement o:is not ob!:".ained with r"'rs. '!"·i nq 1..\ri Lh in L.1'1i'! nex 1:: 1~~'"-'.J ci<.'lys, t.hat hE:• IAL.i.11 consider· LhE• possib -i.l..i .l·.y oJ7 HXpt' OPI" :i.r'tl .:·i.nq l::llC: '! u s e o f L h a i~ p 1 a n t o n a s h o J'· L -.. l: e r· rn I:J, 'lSl !;, dl'lci, :iF ii:" C:'! ':;Sd l'··y, introduce the legislalo:ion required ·i n 1· h i. •; llu 1.1 ~; P i n r 1 I" d r:· i" f' u r· h ·j 111 l u be able to do that? MR. SPEAKER : No . 11·9 R2665

The han. the Minister of Fisheries . MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. f)pr,~akE!r, l.E!t. rnl;! s;·.,y ·1-_o +.:h(~ hon. ~JE:!ntleman that Mt"S. T:-ing tAJas i. n S !-- . L d t.u r· e n c n a n 11 -i n L .:·\ lAJ n d n d ·i. n R o s e 13 J <~ n c h E' e1 n d -i_ n P o I" 'L a u x B <·b q I .If:!~; IAri. 1_ h 'i: h ::• t: 01~1n i:C:ll.lr1 cU . s , cornrnun:l.l.y cour1cil ~;, local. Fis hermen's committees, development assoclations, and had them beat ing down every door in the,! West Block of Confederation 8 1.1 i. l d i. n g g i

I) i. n g h E! r t h <;d. r suppotnt.. That :is a fact, Mr. 5pHdi<l:H', t.ui .1·:h one l?.Xcepi:-.-i.on. The town council of St. LalAJrencE! u n c.'' n -i_ rno us 1 y , tAd. I: h t.: hE! !:'! x c E:! p L i. on o ·f the mayor, supported the i'll:>pl --i.cat."i.on of Mr·s. LLnq for· that particular plant. So get your fac1:s sl:r-i'dqht-., rJtr. Spf~ak1?.r. T will not tolerate that kind of p r· r:• a 1 n b 1 E! , a n d t h a t j_ ~; d Fa c t: , M r· . SpE!ak E! r. NOlAJ t.ha t thingS havE' gone sour this government, Mr.

Speaker·, is doing all it can, will con t. in u E' t. o cl o a l 1. t l: can , to IAJO r· k tAd t h the t ot.~.m councils , the fishermen's ccnrun'i.+:h~es, and Mr·s. Ting, and t ..... Jtll do tAJhat t.ue haVE! to d u . T h i. s g o v c;! r· n I'll n n L IAJ i. ll. no 1·: t u r· n CllAJay Fr·om tAJhctt J-L has to do, from the people of St. Lawrence, despite the objections of the hon. g 1'!1'11·.1 E:!IOl:! n. SOME HON. MEMR~RS : HE:!dl", hE:!c\1"! MR. C~L L AN : Mr. Speaker . Mr~. SP1:':A.KFi~ : ThE! hon. Uw fTIE!rrtbE!I" fotn BE!LI.evuE:! . SOME l-ION. rJtEMB E RS: Hear, heat"! MR. CALLAN: Mr .

Speaker, in the good, sensible, positive questions L2666 JunE• 3, 1988 dbsence of rE~asenai:JJ,::•, Fr·o1n 1-.:he Vol XL L.ibE!ral Opposi U.on, I lAJant to ask l::h1::! Pr'Hnri.er d. coupl.~'- oF cptest.tons regarding the NEn.ufound1and R .-.,-i_1tAJd y . i'J otAJ 1:: hE'! P r· ernj _ e r --i. ~:; I;,Je 1.1. atAidl'· E·, Mt". SpE!a k E:~ r·, l: hc:l t LhE! ToiAJn o F J,~ h i i·: b o u r· rw , 1-l-w F i. r' ~; 1:. .i. n l •'I n ci l l I l I J I . l I . ::ot.~Jn :o )E! se:: ·: .... <'!C :1n :·1.1~; Pr·utJ-Lnr::o, IAJo' l~; br.1 i. ·1 i·. oF cour·se, on l·.·_hE! l"a::i.1lAJay. ThE!

Pi"E!m:.LE'!I" knot..~Js ·1-.hdi "_ beCdl.lSH h(;! I.Ak\S bOl"l'l i::hE'!I"~~. NOIAJ totAJn 1:: hr,~ oF fu Lu r'E~ v ·i.ab Ll ·i. l·.y of 1:: hr:• WhitbournE!, bu::iJ.t on thE! r·,:\i.J.IAk\Y, rJfr'. ~3podk~~r·, hdS bE :!C ~n reassured by the $8 ' miJ.lion cor·rec t:i.onHJ. centr't'. B 1.1 t l. E! l-: rn e a s k 1·.: hE:' P r· ~~ r n "L e r· IAJ h <01 t about the future of the present <"! rn pl. o y e ~';! ~; of t. hE~ r' a i li;,J a y i n o 1:·. h E! In parts of the Pl"ovincE•? Wj_:n t.hese pr·esent. ernployc,~es be r·el::r·a.Ln('•d F<)t' other jobs?

Will Lhe older ernpJ.oyE:~~:·s bt'' q .L~J<: !n <-:'1 good retirement package? Is Lhe P r· o tn:i. P r i. n a p o s i L "i. on t: o s G\ y l.: h •~ t:? SOMF HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. ~:3PEAKEr~: ll·w hon . 1-.he Pr·etrri.E!r' . PREMIFR PECKFORD: I thank thE! hon. member lot~ for :1 u ·1. l t-:! tJ 1 1 e For· h i s q 1.1 ''! s :·-·; o n , ~~ r . Speaker.

Obviously, as I --j_ rl d j C c'\ -1-: (' d ~; (! l) (! t' i'tl , IAI< c' (' k S 0'\ '.J () j 1'1 this HousE! and ouLs:idE!, jf th(;!r'l'! ·i ~; !_ u b : :! <'lll y r· e ~:. o l1 1 :~ i. u n 1-u 1.i'w question of whether the rail way c l. o s <-:! ~; o i" s L· .. :·\ y s o p 1:! n , ''I 1 1 d i n l:. h i. ~; CaSE' C}OSE:'S, IAJE! had said OVE'I" iH1cl over· dr.:Jc'l -i.n t--her ·::! 6\t'n ,., nulrtb<-:•1" ol~ critical areas for th<'! Province. A number· oF yE~ar·s i'\(~0 thE'! t=-E:·der·al government approached ·us and we S i:'l i d no, bt:!

CdU S I'' 1'.: hE• I"('' IAJd S 1"1<) t g]oi.ng Lo be any net;,J mon~C'Y, j 1-.: IAJas a'll. going 1·o C0111r :• out <)F 1~h::• f\E!~~.ionc1J. Econorntc DE:•vr:•loplnE :!nL Agr'C''Bifl811Ls ar1d so on. So, No. 4-9 R2666

obviously, nurubE:!I" of IAH'! C

l) U 1. d d g r'(-:! E!ITIE! nt r·a i.l.t,.Jay. IAll'! <:tl"e "'i.n~;ts 1~-i.ny on r'l t-.1-d. ng s Lo bE! met bef on• c o n s -L d ~=! r ~; 1. g n :i. n g '-~ n y for the phase-out of the And r. arn pl.~:·ds~:!d to l:l;!ll thE! hon. IIIE:~rnbE!r· t:hcd~ I agr'E!(:! IAJi .l.:h him, t:hat pE:H'hap s a lot : of Wh .itbourne 1 ~; concerns might be takE!n carE! of, but: there a lot of other communities in the Province that are still hlghl.y dependent upon the raiJ.way.

And, therE!fore, this government will. not stand by or sign anything that would not pr·ot:ect: bot:-.h l:.hc;• conlrnlll'l:Lt .·i.c->.s involved and the workE:!rS, esp<~ciall.y SOlilP oF l.:l·w young workel~s who would need l:o be r e 1-: I" d i. 1"1 1.;, cl , d 11 d j··. hI'! 0 l. cl f'! I" IAJO t' k C'! i" S IAJho, at t.h:is po:inl· ·in !·~·i.ITlE', d H ~-; <'! r· ~~ f:O <:-< 11 I·'! r· y , t.J ::! l"lj he"' -1 !:·. h y CCirilpC,~I'I~ ;a+:.:ion pdckd~Je. ~:)o I Cdn dS c> ,.II"C ! Lhu hon . rn::•rnbHr ' i:hi'ti· . L:ho~ ;l"' thir1gs t.u-.i.lJ be ruet befo1~e Lhis government signs r'lnything. SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Hear, hear! Ml~. I<FI..LAND : Mr . Sp<:.aker. MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the member for Naskaupi . MR. KELI..AND: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I IAlOUld hRV''"- dir'c '•CtE!d t:hu q11e s t Lon to the Minister of -Development: and Tourism (Mr. RArrett), but [ cl:i. .l~E~ct :i.t: nou1 l~o +.:he PI"E!rn:i.or· in 1: h <'! c::t b s E:! n c H o f +: he 11rL n ·i. s 1'.: e r· .

I' h (~ PrE!fll:iE :!r' is obu:i .ous1y atAJar··e tl·1at a cun sur ·i .i 1.1111 of dl.1111r-i.nurn cornp; ·u1 :i.e s l1dVe si~Jn(•d d ciPaJ IAJoil:h !.:he Pr·ot) 'incr:• of q11Hbc!C l:.n look :·ini ·o t II (o! r (:! r.~ s oi b ::i ] :i 1:: y 0 r· (:' ~; l:. a b J .i. s h j n ~] a l'l r-~ lun ri. n u 111 ~:;I flO 1 i-.r~ I", p o ~:. ~,: -i. b -, y i n ·HH'! ~~ l! p 1: :r ~; J e d r· C:'! i:.l , d b i ] 1 :i. o n d o 11 a r p r· o j c-~ c 1-. A 1. s o , i n tr i_r: •IM o f 1 .. l·w 1.2667 June 3, 1988 Vol XL fa c 1-.

L h a t· ·.i. n 1: h ~~ H i:\ r· l. y l 9 B 0 s t: h e r C:'! was quite a · F>r'E:~ss to haVE! a ~; ·-i_1n-i.

J. cH' 1: lj fH'• •i. ncl1.1 ~; i·. r• lj e S l:i:l b J. i. ~ h (;! c! :i.n the LakE• Melville ar·ea , rnaldng II~;C'! of' !:he I_OIAJ~H' Ch11r·ch i.ll. potAH'!r they had hoped 1-:o dov•,!lop at l:.hictl: 1 ... i.ITit'!, 1 I.VOnd('!f' IAJOUld 1-.:hr~ Pr·onr.i.eln g j_ u E! s om E'! i. n d ::i c a t: -L o n of lAJ hat current initi.atives or recent initiatives government has u n d EH' t a k EHl t o s t. i. lfl u 1 a 1: C'! ·i n t.E:. n:~ s t in an aluminum smelter in this Pr·ov:i.nce, sp1 :~ci.F -i.cal1y pPI"haps ·in the Lake Melville area of Labrador? MR. SPEAKER: The-'! hon. the,~ Pt'C'!Irr:i.EH' .

PREMIER P[CKFORD: -M ·~-- Speaker·, I C:llll Cl!AJC:H'E• of' de l::i.wi.l:i.t~S U·1<'!i : l'lr- ·::! go :i.ng (J I'l -:i.n Quebec, in Venezuela, AustraliM, . 1: C H] ,:'ll'lcl , [ !· h""i 1'1 k t:! ~~ c:• 1'1 ·j 1·1 pI· '' ('II i"'l. S J.l lnCo'laL( '!S l:o an f:!Xpdn~:: oi nn -.ir1 l:.I1E ' o::tl.UIILi .l'll\111 ·i.lldli~;t_r·y, d• ; l,liH .Il. •'t~:: ~> 0 111: '' :in Canada, some inl:. ere s t in i"'i:\noi.l:obc:~, as I~JeJl .:'lS -i.n Q11ebec a11d Newfoundland. We explored <~ x l·. ,.~ n s 'i. lJ f;! 1. y y c;! a r· s d g o 1-.

I" y · i. n g i:: o attract various industry, and we i't r E:1 s i: 'i J 1 do ·i. n 9 -i_ 1-. 1-1 s i. ·L r· e 1 a l: '"' s to the 1..uoods tndus l~ry of l...abl"aclor ·, and we i.·\rt"! s ~-.:i.ll do i.nq i 1:. as .i.l:. relates to an aluminum industry for· Lab r· a do r· , or· 1: o us c.:. s orne o F th.E· pouter· in La br·ador for an i'l l u rn i n 11 rn .i. n d u s 1-, .. y , q 1 1 :i. i· ''! 1 oi. k H 1 y and probably in Labrador. The Minister responsible for Hyclro ( r.JJ r· .

W i n d s o r· ) , t: h ~'· M .i. n i s 1: t'' r· o F D(:!VE·lopment and Tourism and my~;E!l f haVl'' P('!t'sonally b< :!,:•n _LnuultJio'd in j 11 j_ t: j_ a t :i. U E! S \AI h :i C h t h :i. S ~1 0 V (! I" 1'1 11 IE' l'l [·~ h •'1 s b ('! e n t·. d l. k :i. n q o u t::! r· 1".·. h l'! l r'l ~; t. ~:; .i. .x rnonlhs, somE! of u1h :ich haue l.E!d Lo lllfH:O 1: -i_ n 9 S IM(! !"lo'l d .-1. S l i.'l h ·• i·l S YE!~>t.:E!rday, but:. t~Je IAJ:i.sh not : l::o say ··\nljl:h:"i. ritJ lfiOI"U ··1b011l _ -jl· I'l l·: [·:.hi~; . . I . I . -1 II I I puJ.nL J.n ·.~JrnE:! un · .. J .. . ·_ ·1o~;p flld::· ..

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MR. KELLAND: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: A supplE!mentaJny, thE! hon. LhE! rnutnb~:!r for· Na~; kr'li.IP i .. Mf~. KF::U.AND : :r r·E~dl:i.zco~ lAJhPn negot·.iat".ions of a c I::! r"L a i. n "1.: y pH •'lr' c,~ 1.1 n cl e r·t;Jd y L: IT:i. n q s ca·e perhdps not made'! public until. cl(~<"lls ar·e s'i.gnr~d or· dgr'f'!f:!Jrleni·.s r·~~achE!d. I clS k t-:hco!

Pl"C"!TTI:ier do any of the l'lE!go"L-.-i.di·.::i.ons, IIH:!f'!·U.ngs dnd so on, I'' e 1 ate t: o l: h ro~ f ct :i I" 1 y :i mrn in en l: de U(.;! loprnen 1: of l.OlAJ(~t· Chul"C hj.Jl. hydr·o pOLIJE:~r·, which wwld then generate sorne lnterest in high energy using industries, such as al urn i.nUJn S!flC:'l L_Lng or· SOI'il('! ·l:.h Lnq s.i1nilar·? MR . SPEAKER: The hon. Lhe Pr'f'!l 'lli(;!r' .

PREMIER PECKFORD: Obvi.ousl.y, t.he hon. member·, to his crE:~dit~. -has bE!E!n IJJatching what has bE!E!rl going on ln the~ Pr·oulnc~;! and sitting back and being a fairly . keen obseruPr of Lhe scene, because he has noticed ouer the 1. as t. rw m I:) C'! r of rn o n l h s l-. h Co' 1 n--i. n-i. s t-. ('! r· r E:~ s p o 11 s i b 1 e f o r· H y d r· o hi% bE! en o n L·.J·1, :! !" o c:t cl d ·Fa i. r· b "i. 1·. , <:t !> i l: r· 1 =· l d h:· !> to hydJ"O t··cd.b; dl'lcl so on, t.~Jil:h LhE! Pr··o1; ·i.nct=! of q11f'!i:H '!C . Hu, l·:h: :!

M:irl:is'IC"l" or i)(:!U( :!loprnc"~nl.: cil'lcl Tour· ·i.~;ln ..:trill lilYS<'! l i::- ht:1tJ1::• bHf'!l'l pi!tl"c'.l] J.el:ing l .. hd L .in:i t.'iatj ur:~ IAJoi t.l·1 dl' :h'dcl:i.ng ·i.ndush 'Y 1-.o 11s::! ~>OiiJC:· uF 'L h (:~ potAJE'' r· wh :i c h IAJO u J cl L h <'~ n, t h c=~ r' f:! f o r· e , b <'! d H v r~ 1 o p E'! d . 1: l .. h -L n k t.l·1e h'on. !'nE'ITJbeJ" can takE! 'it as a qi .t;~:~n t.J.Jf~ ;;lr'r~ Jnoui.nq dhead on bol.h fl"onts. IL is one Udng to gc: •l some pouJE~r. bul: i.t . . is <.'tnol ·:hl'!r' Lhi.119 i·.o b('! i'tbl.e to use it all.

Obviously, you h a v c,~ l.: o 1 no t; E! a h e a d o n b o L h f r· o n t s L2668 June 3, 1988 Vol XL at thE=~ sarn(~ t.Jm(->., ll.Jhich is c-:~xactly what we are doing. MR. KELLAND : A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. ~)PEAKFR: A r -:i. 1'1 <'11 ~; I I p p l. f~ rn l:! n ·l·. d In lj ' the member ror Naskaupi . l·:h•'! hon . MR. KELLAND: C !<no1~1 bc:1c!< :.i.n l.:hr:! (-~·:'tr·l.y l9nos lAIC'~ missed the window of opportunity - l b C:~ 1 i. r=! t; C! ·i. t-. 'i. s t:i'H~ b~ r-rn u s c;! d because of soft world aluminum Jrlr1r'kr:>ts •'lnr:l sl·ock p.i.l .. i.ng al:·.

Anaconda in HendE!rson, Kenl:ucky, dnd places J.:i .kf'! l::h'i.s. r lAlOnde!" lAIOUl.d l:.h(:' Pr'C'!lrl .i.e=!r q .. i.ue S 0 ITI E! i 1'1 d i C a t i 0 n 0 f LIJ h i:l t L~l E' ITl :L g h 1: e X p f:' C t. d S d I'' t;! d ~; U 1'1 a b l f:! [- i. I il (~ f r• ;::1! il E! fo1n t~hE· doveloprnE•nL of Lhe Lot.A-J(~I' Chi.JI"Ch:ill dnd l:.h r=!t'f:!r: ~or·r::! i-;r··ou:id: :• the attracl:ion for heavy hyd ro using industries? MR. SPEAKEr~ : The han . t.he Pr·c->.mier . PREMIER PECKFORD: That is UE!ry han! not l.'i.l<e l.o p11l · . it, Mr. Speake!" . t 0 Say .

J LIIO U] d .:-1 l':.i1'1ie Fr'<'!lfl<'~ on p () s sib ·i. J. :i. t 'i. (~ s • 0 f ol:her developments ThE!I"e ai"E! sorne cour·st:', For· in LabradoJ~, (•~J(!rl !ALi l·ho11l d 1:'.1-'IU. t)l'' l.hi''I•C:! II!Or1l :h J"U1f:!aSE! on l:.hf:' L.otAJ(H· Chtn•ch.i.-11, bnCdiJS(:! l:hr·r·r:• -js r'< :!C.:t l'! pOL\JE !I" C\lJcl:llable or 17') TTIU~JdiAii<lLL~:; t,.1\1iCh C 'HI b c:~ I I !; ::'!I t'll 1 cl 1,~J1·1 "i C h C <) U 1 d st:.:i.rnu1al':f'! a fa:ll" a1110Unt.. of Pilip l. o yJIIc~ n 1: J 91.1f:!S~> ·it·. ·i!:; r:·d'i.l"' lu ~>·'IY l.:hRl :: goVE!rl'lrrJE!I'IC, at thE! pr·c:!SE'nl: ITIOI'I'lf•nl, dl" 't:.

IAICH'Ici .nq on,.,, nu rnbtH ' ur: · Fr·onl :.s as :i.t.: r·(=•]ates l:o LabJ"adOI'', boLh [·.Jlr:'' IAIOO ('I~:; indusl.:J·'Ij diHi ol.:ht:!r· industries, t..o take aduanLage oF r=! i. t. h r::! r· 1·. hi.,, t·. I.·; r::. 11w q i"liAJC~ I· t: ~; o I' r· E! C Cl]. J. p 01.,19 I" lAih ::i..c h !.A-IE~ 1'1 OIAI h cl U <:', 0 I" i'l cl d i. t:. ·ion i'·ll p CllAI<:! J" IAI'i L: l1 1-. h t:! l '7 ~i . As No. 49 R2668

I~J(~! l.l. , ~~H~! i:11" C·'! wo r· k ·i. n 1_3 on o -1-: her· nli.'Al~t-.c,11"~; fo1" th!O:' Pl"ov:ince g en<'! r· I'! ll. y , d s -i. +-. I" e l d 1-. us I· o b o 1-. h J-liber·n:ia dnd TE:1rr•a Novi.'l, and a l'll.lllll:ll'! r· of' o I .. I.Hc! I" cl e u e l opinE! n l:. s IAJiri. c h we will be quite likely announcing LleFor·r:! l:.h(~ ~'ll.llfiiiH'!I" is uul·:. ~3o I cdn only say ro ·! .. _he:~ hon. ruembE:1r that I IAJould not L~Jc~nt to give'! a l·:.lrnE! Frarnl-:!. Thf?.t'E:~ ar'C:1 a nurnbE!r' of ITJE!mbers oVE!r l:here 1.1Jho are shouting election.

Because of statements made in the next while, I assur·e hon . member·s there-?. wil.l. be an election, and it LAJill bE! as soon as t:hesf~ var·i.oiJS :i.n-:i.l~.iat.i.v''!S iH'E! off the gr·ound, and :i. t couJ.d be sooner than l.arer. rJJR. FENWTCK : Ml". Sp(:!El k e1'· . 1'>11'~. SPFAi<FI~ : T hE! ho 11. t· h E:1 ITH:!TIIbe I" f 01" Me 1'1 :j :·1 e k . Mf~. FENWICK: Mr· . ~)~H~ ,_., bH', 111y q u us l:i . on i_ s 1-. o t·:I-H:' rrd n i g t <:1 I" r· e s p o n s :i. b 1 e f o r· H y ell" o , dl"'ld i.i·:. has t.o do IAJi.i:h J·:hl:~ s ·l t ua t·j on r·egardj ng Newf oundJ.i:Lnd dnc:l l.dbr·;:-uJur· Hy·dr·o.

As Ul!'! nr.in:ish:!l" knot.~Js, Ud s Spr:ing $1.7 m "i.ll. -L on o F E:! x c e s s r· 10:~ v f'! n u l:1 had l o be returned to their retail cus t.Cllnl'.r'S. s· .inCl:1 Hydr·o has j liS I~ :.i.ndicalPd Lhat t:hey ar'E! in rnuch be l~+·t~!l" s hapf~ l::h i.~:; yei'lr' and t~ri. '11 not helVE· to usc::~ I1E!cH'ly as much cd 1 l~. o g f'! n <:• r· 6t 1. ~'! c,1l. ~'! c l r· ·i, c oi. 1~. y - l: hE! y have more water in their r <'! s E• r· voir· s -· and s i. n c c~ 1-1 y d t' o can c o n l :i n lH! o n 1~.d t h t h e s e h j g h e r r·ar.c'•S f~VE!n though thE!Y ar·e bC'!YOnd the limits, 1Ari11 the nrinistE!I" g:iVE!

US d COIIIITI·.i.I·:JrJ(;!Ilt l:.hat l:.h .i.S government will direct Hydro to go b <.·1 c k b u F o r· !~ 1:: h ''! P 1 1 b 1 i c l.l L i. J ·.i. ·I· i. H s 13 0 a I" cl i'l 1"1 cl h d V E! L h Ed . I" (~! n l.: i r· E:• I'' a t. E! ~; L I" 1.1 c!:: 1.1 r· <:! I" f:• v i. f~IJ.JE:u·l l: u S f'! (' Ill h Hi ... h H r· o I" I'ICJ l. r· ho ~; E:! l"d l:e ~; s hou1d be bi"UUghL tiOIAJJ'I? 1_?669 .Tunc:! :3, l9BI3 Uo 1. X I r1r~. ~:>PFAKF:i( : The hon. ·the M:in:ister· of F·.Lncll'lU!. MR.

WINDSOR: Mr·. ~}pei·lker·, Lht~ hon . <~enl:.J.e1nan should knotAI, and I ai ·11 sur·<:· hE! d of'! ~' , L h r::t l: j u ~=; t. d y ~=! i't r· u r' <:; o i:'l c3 o IAJe :inst~itut.E:!d a neLu pi"Ogl"iitiTirne whi-O!Y'E!by Hycli"O cdn dVer·aqe ovr'•l" d three year period any losses or any gains .i.n t'Pl.al~ .. lon t.o l::l1e cost of providing E!1ect:rici ty. It WclS ;-~ s a r· c,~ s u 1 t oF t: hat that.

IJ.JC,~ IAJ(:! r E! abJ.e to indicate earJ.ier this year !::hal: some $1.6 or· $1.7 rni .Jlion IAJill, i.n fact, be rE!t.lH 'nE!d Lo consUllll~!r's i.n t.h-i.s Pr·ov -LncE! l~hl"ough the retaili.ng arm of that utility, and, i.n Fact, Lhr;1i-. IAri.ll t'l=•fclect. itseJ.f in hydro bills, bE!g'inrdng, T Ul'i. n k , ·i. n J u J. y . SirniJar·Jy, :if ga-.i.n~> ar·e rni:ldE:! ouE•I'· i·hH cu1n·inq yf:!i,li", ~~1hicl·1 I<IH l1upe t~hPy LAJj11, l:.I1E!n, obv:iousJy, l'.:hat. IAii .'ll bH r't-~1-l.::!cl .t'!d <·1~; w~>.ll i.n future b:illings.

But obviously it h r:1 => ·l: o b ::! cIon::· on i·l L h r· f'! ~'! y E:! l'll" aver·age so the:-:tt Hydi"O is aJ1AJays :in a sound f-i.ndnc: ·i.c:1J. pos 'i. 1 ... :-i.on and r:<tl"E• providing top-J.evel service to c o n s u trw r· ~; . rJ!R. FENWICK: ----·---A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: . A s l.l p p 1 E:! HIE! rl 1"'. i:l t' y I l h H hon. the membPr For Menihek . MR. FENWICK : My ~;uppl.E!Inent.ar·y t:o t.hu lllirlist:t:!r' i. s t.: his : ThE! r E• <H' E! on] y liAIO 1Aic·1 y s t.h•'l 1... l'.:hr'! Publ. i.e U l::-i 1 L 1·: 'i.E'!~; 130di"cl could be allowed to review the r'i'IL(:!S.

One, 'i.f l:.huy ;·'t': .k f'ur· an increase, wh:ich they are not ;,, ~; !< i. n '] r 0 t' I i:'l n d ' ~; H c 0 n ( ./ 1. '1 I i. r l: h "' ~30VE•I"nrnenl: d'.i.i"ects l:.l1e Pub]:ic l.l L·. i l:i. i·.·i .::•s llo;u·rl on i.'l 11 I i.l:H·y. MR. S~FAKFR : Order, please! ~J C) . lj. 9 :~?669

MR. FENWICK: My q u e s t i o n l:. o Uw 10 i n .i. s l: E! r· ·1 s th:is: SincE! thE! Cabinet ts the only agency that can doir·ect Hydr ·o to go beforE! the Publ:ic Uti J.oitiE~s Boar· ·d, i.~; l:.his govE!r'nlnl~ni··. go ·'i.J'I9 l· .. o ask them to go there and review l::hE!.ir· r·at· .e~; 1~1h "i. ch dr't-:! clndr·l .y lAJ'''Y out of l:i .ne IJ.ril..h dnyl:h:ing t:hal: ts t' E~ q l.l'.i r· E'! d 1·:. 0 C 0 liE'! r' l: h (->, ·i. In c; 0 S 'l-. S , i;t n d the leg:i.b.1uat.e pr·of :i t Lhclt Lhey <H' (:~ c1l.l ()l~H:' d I:() I'Oi]l k e? Mf~.

SPfAKF-:R : T h e h o n . t h e M :i n j s l: e r· of F :i n Cl n c e . MR. WINDSOI~: Mr·. Spc"1dkur·, ·Ul1:1 rclr:l.: Uvli : Wt:' h.:·ll: l some,~ sut"plus ldst yc,~ar· doE!S not.: lllE~,-·11'1 H1c1l'. IAJe <:H'<'! hdv i.ng a surplus t.IJ'.i s yE•iH'. Obviously cos t·:s of s d l. ;·., r· i. r:• ~~ ;·:t n cl b H I'll:! r:·.i. I: s 1: o E:'rllployE,;(o!S, costs oF ptu·chas:ing c=• q 11 J. p Jflf:1 I' I t:: an cl lfld 1 .. t·'! r· i. d l s I"('! q 1ri. r· r=! 1 I to opE! r· cd: E! UtE! u L :i 1 i t y , a r e lncrec1sing each year.

What we :indicated 1..uas that E!Ven though WE! are hewing ·Lncr·c->.ases -Ln cosl::s 1..ue feel that we will not be neE!ding to go to Lhe Public Utilities Board this YE!ar· :in or·der to look For increases to cover l::hose costs. The hon. gentleman have thE! world e v e r' y +: h i. n <.:! c a r r i. (:~ s l·hi'll: t .. hor'C'! .i.~; no .is no 'i.nf·l .d :·ion. J OIAJ i n f 1 i'·l'l: :ion in M r· . ~3 p e d I< <'! r· , b 1 1 1.: ··i. l: r.llf?.

FI.:·I\JWTCI< : IAJOUJ.d l.:i i< e 1:.0 bel:ieve that on dS it .is dnd il'lCI"E!dSE!, l.her'f~ 1 .. 11 ('! r· :~ ·i s v n r· y Lh:i .s Pr·ov:incl'.!, i s s : ·i -, l Hw 1··· H . A f':i.ndl ~;uppJ en1enta1"Y, l'-1r·. Speakl~ln . Mf~. :::>Pi:r:li<Ef?: A Fjna] suppl<'!ITIPntiu·y, the hon . l: h e lflr'' 1 n b cH ' F o r' r"' H n 1. h o k . Ml?. i'FNWTCI<: Or1t=! s:irnpJe ~;l::J"i'l :ight quest :i.on and thd~ ·. i.s i.l.~.

Cs Hydro notAl, Ul 'tdt'!r' 'Lh<'! cil"curnsl':.ancl''S .:i.'l'.: knot~Js about:., p r· o j <'! c t .l n y :i. n c I" E! a s e d I" f>. 1; r:! n 1.1 ('~ L2670 June 3, 1988 Vol XL beyond that tAJhen thE!Y are aJ.lotAJE!d t.o 'mi]lkl'' accor·d.ing l:.o r'I.I}E!S J.a::i.cl down by the Public Ut:i.J.ities Bocn·d? f. IAJan t c:t YE!S or· no a n s IAJ E! r . A In e l.: hE! y nJ a k :i. n g rn or· E! t'I~Vl:!l'lUE'' 1'101AJ L)r' ar'E! i-:hE~'j IIJ<"J.killC) within the J:irnits that they have? MR. SPEAI<EI~: T h <,~ h o 1'1 . the r.11 i. n ·:i. s +: f:! r· o F F l nan c e . Ml~. WINDSOR: M1n . .

SpE•ai<E!r', t:hE! hon. gE!ni:J.eman r:c:Hl dSk i"h::! CjiiE!SLl .\HlS iHid [ 1~ri.l .l give the anst..uers as I SE!e fit. I c:lo nol-. rwr-:!d lri:; d·i .r't::!r:l:'i.on un hotAJ to anstAJE~r. l:.hdnk you VE•Iny rnuch. Th:~ dl'lSJ;JI,~r· ·i.:> th.11: ..i 1: i.s ·.impossible For· us t.o LeJ.]. It . d ~:! p e 1'1 d s r·:! rl'i ·. ·:i. r· ('! 1 y o n L. h (:! r~ 1 no u n 1·. o f rainfall we get over Lhe nex t I:_IAJf:! l v C'! -rno n i.h FH~r· i od. T i·: d f:' pt:. lid~. E•nl~-:i.lnE!1y on t.:he pi":i.cr:! or · oil and 1-: h c:. d t! pH n 1 I e n c f'! o n i.·. i· 1 E'!

J" 1 n i'=t l. generated e]ectr:icit:y al H () l. 'j I" 0 U cl . T II E! cHl S lAIE'' i" i. S impossible to g-:ive. What we do predict is that we wilJ not need to go for an :increase during thE! n<'!Xt tweJ.ve months. That LS the Sd lfH'! rHlSIAJt~r· I have given on the J.ast two occasions. MR. BAKER : Mr· . Sped k <'! r· . Ml~ . ~3PEAI<U~ : The hon. the member For Gander . MR. BAI<ER: I' lvt n k y o u , r.11 r· . ~~ p P ,~ I< l'! r· . Aga-.in Lo l:hE!

Minisl~r:•J". oF Finance•, 1.1Ji'10 , I I p i ·. 0 1-. h j ~; p 0 i 1'1 l~. , h i:'\ S inchcaU•d he IE!e1s ignor·ed. ll SHelfiS dS u=-, r.11r· . ~:)pt=!r·1kl=!r, t.he CE!nl:lnal bank has undE·r·l.dken a PI''O(jr'r'!J'rJIIIH or ·j J'JCt'Pd~> i nq i,Jli '.P.I"('!~ :. 1::. rate s in lhe country. lhjs hr'tppr ·'!l'lU d Yt '!~; l:t:•J"day, d I1.L<J j l.IIIIP .Ln l·: h E' b a n k I" a t E· • T h e r· u a s o n g j_ v E:! n I~~ d s l:: h c'l 1- t:i·w y F u l 1·. L h c• 1:'! c: tHl o J'l1 y No . 4.9 R2670

nr:~r-~dHc:l to bro' cool.f=!cl off, 'i:hdt l~h~:! E:!Cortorny IAJi'lS over'hE:!al.E:~d. In spj tc->. oF l•thi:\1 ·. 1-.l·ll:~ Pt": ·=!lll'i.er· S<"~ -i cl in h i.s :; Lr.d: c-~Trtf-' rd I. oday, Mr·. Sped k t::H', our· nconc:llny obv-iuttsl.y dor~s nol· rH=·Hd l:o bE' cooJPd orr· tArit.h d reaJ. ttn::!l'llployntenl·. t'd l·_t.:;! oF 31l pnr· cr:!nl-.. 11-H~ . ~) P r: r.J I< 1: R : OrdE~I", please! MR.

BAI<FR: My qut~si-.ion, Mr·. ::)pE:!aker·, t.o tht::~ rnini s ter is: In l:ig ht of all that, in llght of our real 38 per cent. unemployment ratE!, 1.1.1hat p]ans does the minister have to avoid the efFect of the central bank 1: r· y :i. n g to c o ol. o f F o u r· o v c->. dl!?. i:l l t::~ d economy? MR. SPF.AI<ER: ''the hon. thE• Minister of FinanCE! . rJJR. WTNDSOI~ : Mr. Speaker, the Premier has i'llt"eddy iHlSI•H->.t'r"!cl the·\ t: quus·l·.-'i.un For· thE·! hon. gent.Jc->.man, and that it 'is not jusi·: r:-1 si .tnplE~ tlld 'l:h~r·, i~ls i:hH hon. ruernber IAtould J:i .ke to have you ~H:~ J. ·i 0. V P .

Ti'H'! q IH'! S 1.: i. 0 n 0 f 'i n 1-. e t' e S -1: r·i'l-l:Ps <:~ttd holA.I t:hey cii"E:! es'l..ctbl.:isht::'d i ~; i:l t"tdl:.tondl pr·obl t:!ltl HHd: hi~!; l:o be dec~] t IAJ::l t.l·t on a national and c~n i. n ·t: (.=• r· n a l·. ·i. o n r-1 1 J. E~ IJ '~ l i:l ~; ·i. l: r· (~ l ''~ ·1·. r-=! s to .the vaJue of currencies and -L n : ·. H r· ''! ~; :~ r· i'l 1-. e! s i n l. h < '! r: o 1.1 n l. r· y , ,., ~; it I"E:']al:es to inFJ.at:ion in the ,;ounl::r·y. Obv i.ou~;J.y, 1-.lle! r:t·'!l'll :r·al. bank j '> Lhe maj n agc:•ncy that dE :!a ] s IAI i. I. h I·~ h d t d n d i.

S 1': r· 'y' :i. 1'1 g L 0 d E~ a ]. lA.Iilh what many economists and many o I o u r· ~''' d v i s o r· s h a cl p r· ''! d i c l: e r:l lA.IouJd be somewhat oF a I" c,~ cess i. on a J" y per· .i. o cl d 1.1 r· ·i. n g L h c-:o second quarter of Lhis caJ.endar IJe'ar . For·l:llnal:c->.ly, Lilt=! do not : S(!t::'ITI l::o b(:! sE•eing !:hat.: I thj nk t.hat i. s a s "\ r· E:• s u l ~: o F l:: 11 <"! p o l i. c i. <=:> s of L~1E'! CovE~Inl'li'IIE'!rtt of Candela and of 1-.:hr-:! CHni:r-·,·ll b<'ink -in bl:!i .ntj <"'~.b:-lr =! 1·o corl'l_r·u] infl<-1L:ion :in Cartada, ancl l: h a :.·. i s 1~1 h c1 1.

I: IF! y .:t i" I'! h .. y i 11 g t. o I ?.671 JUI'IE:! 3 I 1988 Vol. XL d o . U n for 1:. 1.1 n ;~1 L c~ 1 y , i I: itself sornelA.Ihat in l~t~ ·i.nl·.nr'H!;i: r·;d:Hs. flu!". r~t::! r·efl.E=!ci·.s cost of i:l r· E>. ·not.: seeing thE~ rnassive jumps in .. i n i"<'! r· (:! s l·. r· ·'11: <'' s 1:11 o.'ll: i.•H:• ~; di~J <'l n u m b E=! l" o F y e a r· ~; a g o , r.l n cl IAJ E:• cl o n o {:: ani ·i ci pdi o , .. H:• ~~t .U .-1 Ti·w Cov<=•t"t"ICH·· of t.he 13ank of Canada j_ c; c]E•ai"1y I-.r·yi119 In c:onl:;··ol. UH>. E>.conorny f't"Oirt bEdng overheatE!d.

WE• ar'E• not :in a n y g t' (.~ d ~-. c o n c c;! r· n d b o u t: b H .i n g overheated in Newfoundland. In fdc l~, IAJ(.~ IAJould IAJ(:~lconll'! a J.'i l:.tle bit of heat. And you I1E!Ver knotAJ, hon. gentlemen oppositE! rn:ight get sorrtE! heat soon! I CE!r·tajnJ.y hopE! so. Ml~. BAKER: Mr. Speaker. MR . SPEAI<ER : The hon. the member for Gander . Ml(. BAI<l':f~: I t may be a nat to n a] pol -i. c y , b u t -i 't: c t'! r· :·.: <'\ i. n l y h .::~ ~; p r· o v i. n c ··.i. ,~ 1 (:~ffects, Mr·. l'-1:ino1 stE!t~, I ~;ay Lo 1}011, dnd you, or i:dl peopl.(;!, shouJ.d realize that. MR. SPEAKER: Ot"r:ler·, pleas<~!

MR. BAKER: I ask the 1rrinislE!r', am l cor t~c:•ct i n 1.1 n cit:• r· s hut d "i. n q H1 d l: i1 n i ·. !:; •'\ y i 1 1 g l: h d t ('~ h E! S E! i. n C I" E:! a S E! S oi 1'1 L h (! b a 1'1 k r• i-1 (·.J! [·· h •'I (~. d I" l'! 1'1 UIAI S (':_ c:H' 1 ... i l'l q , IAJ"i J.l. havE~ no dE·tJ~i.rrtE!nl:aJ. E)ff't-c!Ci: on a c L i v -L 1-. y i n !:: h ·i ~; P r· o v i n c H? Is that IAJhat hE! js sa yjng? And, jf i I· i. s so , l: h ,,, n . 1:: h ,,, 1:: ('! x p 1. a .ins h ::i. s lack of intetnE!St in t:l·w pr·ob]ell'l. MR. SPEAKER: T h e h o n . l:. h e rJJ :i n i. s h'! r· o f F 1. n a n c <?. • Ml~. WINDSOR: Mr.

Speaker, Lhe hun. genLJeman sho uJrl h<:~vH ~;uch inl -u J"r•sl .' 1 '''1':. '''"' s a y , n o , o b v :i o u s 1 y I h a 'J E• n u 1: s a :i. d l:hd ·i·. Obu :i.ously, 'Ait:' <'!I"•=· concr:!r'IH'•d No. 49 R26'71

,,~,J:il~.h any incr·ectS<-'! in ·i.nh~r·es t·: rate. It impacts not only on consumers and individuals in the Pr·ovi neE! but on the Government of the Pr·ovtnce.

Since,, d gr·r:~i."l t: dedl. of OUI" bOJ"I"OIAJing, of COUI"SB, j,s ' 'in Canad.i, :~n dol.l.ar·s, it . :irnpacts on the Financial posjtion of goVC'!I"nrnc;!nl:. lllir:~ sa1.~J t·:.h<'' i.Jnpac·l·: of' that last year, of course, when acl:uall.y, l:h~i.ngs i.rnpr·ovc ,~d qu·i .'i:c,~ nicely and we saw increased r· E:~ v f~ n 1 1 c,~ s t. o t. h (~ P r· o lJ "i. n c f~ , a n d decreased expenditures as a result of ·FJ.JJcl:udi".i.ons ·i.n 1:h::' cur•t·c;!ncy ex chang c,~ s a,., cl :i. n :i. n L E:' I" E! s t r· atE! s . Obv-i.ousl.y, IAJ(~ i:\t':'! concc:!t'l'l(~d dbOJJI: :it, ~~r. ~>pr:~akeJ".

But I do not. s:H ;!, i·\l: l·.hoi.s poi.Jd ·. tn ·1.-irn:~, t:h,'\1: :it :i.~; a rna-Lter of major cr·is:i.s. '( 0 1.1 r'\ l111 d lj !; 1,\.J j_ l_ 'I_ h d

l) I'! f 1. I I C ~--I I i:\ -1 -. ·i. () 1'1 S . . t t l ., .. , l I . :.1 ,., :.1 n . E~I"C-:! s : r· <::~ --c,• s . 'IO ~; E! :·. ·n ng s 6\ I'' u i·\ r <'l c 1: 0 f7 l j_ Flo! -L n 1-: lJ C'! IriOn(! lj llJi:ll''kE!l~; of· U1c,! IJJOI"ld and of UJE! c o 1.1 n 1·.: I" 1J . lJ n f u r· L: u n i·l ·t:c- ~ l y , ltJ: '! c i-Hli'JU L con Lr·ol a]l of t:h(~rll . MR . W. CAR TER : A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: Th e hon. the rnernb E! r - fo r TIAJ.i l.l.i.ngate, a final. supplc-'!tnen tar ·y. MR . W.

CARTER: I:. !:his, in fact, the beginning of a i:l"end of l1 .i1~h~:!l" .itl-1- .Hr'H~=;I·. r·al--c'!S? llli o u J d HH :! 1 II' i rri . s 1··. r:H' a g r· c:! ~=! 1·. o l o o k at some kind of provincial plan to al.lOIAI d C ('!I" l·.i.~ i. 1'1 "\11101.1 1'1 1·. 0 f I':<:·\ X deducl::ion qn i.ntc'·r·e ~;L ,,~.J:it .-.h l"c,~gat"ds l··.o lloiiSH con s Lr·ur:t.: ·i.on, <H ' ~>OIIIlc' s:irn ::iliH' pi"O<:JI"EliTII'I'IE· l.ik(:. t:.hCIL, that. IAIOUlcl :'!rl~>llt·•r-:! l:hd-1: <·\ cr:!nl·.r ·;~l b.Hlk policy dc,!~;:ignc,!d lo s lotAI cloJJJn the e c (I 1'1 ()I Ill) IAI i. l_ 1. 1'1 (J ·I: h c'l u f:!

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I) I) k r.·\ \.·. sornp ·fh :ing like tl1cl'l.? M I~ . :-:n> l:t'1 I< F ~~ : ThE:! hon. UH :' M·.ird s l.E•r· of F::i nance . Li6'72 June 3, 1988 UoJ. XL Mr~. WINDSOR : Mr·. Speaker, this i':\ l L\Ja y s tAri .Jl in g to rnE•asures that . arE! deal. wiLh unusual.

In fact, IAJE:' pi"OVE!d uf' yc,li:H 'S ago, 1.11hen L\Je r· E! · up abo u t: 1 9 governrnE!nt· is cons -Lder· .any nE• cessary t.o c .i I" c urns t-:.a n c t'! s . l:hat a nu1T1ber· i11 Ler·c->.s Ls ra t:P s pE: !rcent., t:.h:i ~; g o v f'' r· n rn e n l.: r· e cl u c I::! d s i'~ l u s t·:. a x o n buoi.J.ding mah!r'ia1s to 8 pE!r'CE!I'lt as a nH ,~ r.~ s u t· r=>. , IJJI ·d c h d s r r· e call reduced the prjce of a house by OV:H' $1.,000, {,\l'ld {·:hal:.

IAJaS dOI'lE! during the period when interest r·ates IAif~r·c,~ --i.nc:r·Hd ·i.bly 1-J·i.gh, a11cl i L IAJen l: ct long IAJay t.o balanc::i.n~J 1·:1-w cos 1·. oF d hniiJr~ r'lnd i:u t'C·H ~Iuci .nq :it. And IAIE-! found, jn fac ·t:, that IAIH I.•H~i"r·:! dbl::! l·.o !u=!<:!p U·w l('!VC'!l of house const:r·uct.:i .on in l:his Pr·owi .ncl:! ;.t1·. c:-~ ·1 ~~vr =!l t'f'!i'·\~;unab1y C 0 TTl p <.'\I" a b l (,' t 0 L<.J h cl L j l. lA I t'l ~-; b E• [ 0 I" E'< I-. h o '> C'! h -j lJ h i. n I· r:! I" f~ s I l" d I: '" ~=. c: dIn r;• i n .

C E:• r· ·L a j_ n 1 y 1.-~1 P c a n 1 o o k a {·:. ~i. l. , bu 1: .-H 1-:lri s po ·i n 1~. .i.n L i.11rr:! '* '! do not see any kind of a crisis S -i_ t Ltd 1·:. J. 0 1'1· 1--. h d 1: I~JC) U l. d I''~:! q 1.1 i. J"'l:! S U C h act-.i.on. MR. SPEAKER : 0 t' d c-'! r , p 1 e as e ! ThE~ l:.:i.rnc;! fr)r' or·.~l qUC'!S l: .. :i.ons has elapsE:~d. At this stage I tJ.Iou1d l:i .ke to lA I(' l C: U Ill E! I. 0 i -. h I'! g d 1 1 H r· ".i. (' S t h :i r t y - n :i. n E!

C l" a cl e U 1 s l: u cl E' n t s IALi. t h Hw ·i I" I~ IAJ n 1-c• .. 'It: h t·H' ~; , E r· ~i. c S!::ephE·nson cil'ld Arch Bal"r'eLL Fr·on1 !:he i·lol .IJ f~,,.ci~ ~HHH'!t' ~-)chou·: i.n Span::i.cu·d' s Bay. SOMF HON. MFMBERS : - ----~ ·- · .. ---------- ·------------ ------ H c~ r't r· , h u i:\ r· ! Notices of Motion MR. WINDSOR : Mr. Speaker. No . 4-9 R2672

MR. SPF:JlKFR : rhc,~ hon. l:h~:! M Ln""i.s+:HI" o·f FinanCC"!. MR. ~HNDSOf~: rJJr· . ~:; p E! ct k 8 r·' I g j v e 1'1 0 t: icE:~ t h d t I tAii ll <.:111 i·_o ltiOrTOIJ.J 111cw::! U1<-~i-. i·.hoi.s H u 11 ~; E~ r· E:! ~' o l u E'! ·j l ~; E:! 1 f oi n to a Ct)ltlllli.t-.i·.ue oF i:lw v,lhol I'! i () con~; irlc::•r' C::E:!I""l' 'i~.oi r1 F~E:!S(Ilu l-:.l or1s I"E~l a L:i119 Lo U·w 911•:-H'•Hlh~E '!"i. nq of cE:!r'h~ ·in l.odns u11der· The local Aut-hori l:_y c u iH ' i"' n ·h,~ ~';! ~ c ~: , l 9 G 7 . MS VERGE: Mr . Speaker. MR . SPFAKER: The hon. l:he M.ini.sl ·:er· o·f Jusl::i.ct:~. MS VERGE: Mr.

Speakl~r, I gj ve notice that I 1Ati1.1 on f:olnor'r'OIAJ ask leave Lo in t r· o cl u c E! t:. he F o l.l. OIAri n g Four bills; ''nn Act. 1\E'!SpE!cl: ·ing The Enfoi"CC"!I'IIE:!I'Il Of Suppor·t OrciE'!rs", " An A c t. iU:! s p c;! c I~ i. n g T h H r~ f'! c i p r· o c.-~ l Enforcement Of Support Orders", II

An Act Rc.~s fJf'! cU. ng rhc,~ 1 .. .:-\IAJ Of TI'H'! F a rrri.l y 11 , a n d 11 A n A c t R l'?. s p e c t :i n g T l·w 1.. '"'-'J 0 f C h j J. d r· EHl 11 • ( R "i. ll s N o . S2, Sl, SO and 4-9.) SOMF HON. MEMBERS : H r::~ •'I r· , h (~ a r· ! MR. YOUNG: Mr. Speaker . M r~ . ~:; P [ A I< F R : rl·w hon. l·:hl~ M i.n is Lc:>l" of ConSIIIIIf'!r' Affairs and Communications. MR. YOUNG : Mr·. Sp(=•al<er, I giVE! noti.ce that: I I ALi. l. l. o n t.: o 1T1 o r· r' OIAJ a s k l E:! a u e L o tntl~oduce a b:i1L "An Acl lo Incor'pOI"a ·l·e Th~:!

As~~oc i.;::~t·ion Of Professional Engineers And Geoscientis~s (Bill No. 54) Of Ni'!IAiFnundl and." L./.673 J1.1rw :l, l9B8 VoT XL Answers to Questions for wh ich Notice has been Given MR. WINDSOR: r-1 r· . s p I'! a 1< ,.,! r· . rJJ ~~ . ::) P f:: 11 1< r:: r~ : ThE:' hon. lhe M:i.n:i s lc;!l" oF F:l nanc(" . MR. WINDSOR: Mt'. ~)p~~dktO!r, T hc'IV~~ a lAJeaJ.l.:h oF information today. In response to q1.1c~sl·.ion No. 166 fr·orn th~~ hon. !::hE:! member' for Me•rd.hEd< (Ml".

FE!I'W.rick) d ~?. a l. -L n g tAJ i. 1·. h p l. a n s o f t: h ,,, department to actually get :i n v o l v ('! d "i. n o u t' Ern p l o y rn E'! t'l t E: q u i. l:.IJ ProgrammE!S, which I have had the g t' E! a l:. p l. t:~ a s 1.11" t:'! o f a n n o u n c .i. i 1 q l. a s. t year. There is a great ] on~) and de 1·:. a i. J. E! d ;,, n s lAJ('! r· on L h .:-1 t on P . 'l'llu i"'ln~:;IJJJ •>.r· 1-o q11Usl".ior1 :1'7:1 !.~'· hE!rE!, fl"OITl lhe hon. the lllC!I'IIbPI" I 01" Candt:!r' (Mr'.

BaktH'), c\('•d 'l 'i.ng \Ali l·.h an appropriation of $70,000 for P r· in 1.: in g S ~>. r· v :oi. c ::o s . r h ''' 1.: IAJi:-1 s a pre-commitment. That, of course, IAii'l s 1:. o d 1-~ ,., 1. ,,.Ji t h 1-.I'H?. p 1.1 r c h ;,, s (,~ s of' malerial.s For examinations for ~;c:h1)0ls ;,,nd d-ll ·l·.ho ~; ::! gr'Hi!tl ·: Lhi.ng!; which have to be done beforehand. Again, from the han. the member f o I" C d n d I'! r· , q 1.1 1-:! s 'L ·j o n ~J n , 1. 7 !J. , d(:!a]i.ng I;,J'.-il .. h <" PI"E•-comlnjtmcnt of '!; '/ . ? Ill i. 1 l i, 0 n f

I) t' I" h I·'' p I I r· C h <'\ ;; r,' 0 ·f school. t:E!xtbooks. Obv:.ious1y lo~JE' hdvr:! i·u b11y l:ho~;e l.llf:' ·l.-1 i.n d<luancf~, so th(~I"E! is a pi"E!--cornnl:il·.:rnE :!nt. 111ade 1-. h c,:• r· I'! , t•ilri. ': h :i s do I'll-'! l:• v rc• r· y y ear· . QuE•stion No. 17'-' is also frorn t.llE:• h on . 1·: he rn 1·:! 1 n b t;! r· r: o 1" C a 11 cl u r· a. n cl dE!aJ.s lALith somE! O\JE!rdraflc; al'lcl i. n 1-. H r· e ~; 1". c h d r· rJ ,,, ~; on o v l'! I" d r· i·:-1 F t: s . T h i s j s· q u j t E! a s t. a n d a r cl 'Lit j, n g . I h a 1; f:! g ·i. v ,_,, n i'11l.

I· h e 1 I e l a i. ·1 ~; h ('' r· e o f l: hE:! o u e I" d r· a f' L ~; lAJ E~ hi'\ cl d u r j n g '1:. il e Li'i~>l ... yec :'tl" ,:·<nrl 1-l:e it ·ti·c:·r·e~;i·: Pi:.lYI'IIE'•n-Ls rni:lde or1 t·.l·1at: No . 11-9 [~26'73

Qu~ :!st:ion No. 177 from thE! hon. the rnE~rntH:!r' for· Gi' .. Hld("!r' dE~a""J. ·"i.ng 1~d.i::h s"Lclt..ernent on Tr•easur·y s·.ilJ. issu-es, a g ;;d n , 1: h i. s d E~ <:t J. s 1.1.1 i. 1: h :i n 1: e r t~ s t pe~ynn:!nls and the roJl.':i .ng ovE~r- of Tr·edSLII"Y rl"i.ll.s and ~:;o r=-or·t :h. A" l1 Lhe information is there. Q u E~ s 1·.: ·.i o n No . 1 a 2 ·i. s f I" o 1 n t: h e! h o n . the member for Fogo (Mr. Tulk), who h a s l e f t 1: he II o u s e , d t~ ali. n g udth funding pr·ov:ided to ERCO. It is amazing t.~H:! fln,~dly go1:. "' question on something other than S p r u n g .

W (.;! had $ l 3 . 9 m U . J. :i. o n , M r· . Speaker, into ERCO. It has aJJ b(i!E'!I'l r'E~pd 'i.d. We d:i.d -L 1: and l:hr·i!l"~~ wer~! no quest ions on that. Orders of the Day

I) I~. CO LI. CW) : J'vlr '. Spr :~akel", SOIJJE! fii" S I 1.0. I"E!ad :i ng s r i.I"S l.:. r·10 l:·i.on 1\JU. rJt 0 1.: 'i. 0 1'1 , 1·: h C.;! h 0 n . t h c~ P I" 1>. S ·i. d H n ·1·. 0 f the Council to introduce a biJ.J., 11 An Acl~. f~t~sp~>.cl~. ·i.ng The Reorganization Of Certajn Go v E! r' n me n 1: [) e pAr' t.1 n E:'l'l 1:: s A n d M a t. t E! r' s RelalE!d Or Incidental TherE!tO. 11 (Bill No. 42) On motion, B-L 11. No . ( 42) fi1"sl:. l..:irne, or·der'E•d rE•ad a time on tomorrow. r'E:1ad a S E! C 0 l'ld Mo~lon, t:he hon.

Hw M i.n"i s l"r:•r ' of Consumer Affairs and C u rnnn .1 n i c a 1':. _Lon s l~o biJJ , "An Act Cun ~; olLdal ... H !"he TE!I'li::~n c iu !> Of To ··i n I. r· u d u c f~ RE!Vise o•\ And 1.;:- H~J ~~I '!S pF>C 1-. i.ng Rp~;:i.dent:id1 P r' r" 1wi s P ~; . 11 ( l:l ·i -, l. 1\Jo . lJ.IJ.) . On 111CI'l .'.ior1, FLi 11 No . (1 !4·) I" P acl a r' i I" ~; I· I ·i.lll( i', Ol"df:!l"t:od r·:;,i'ld .'\ ~;::!C:Oi'il:i t·.-.i rn e ol'l I

C) rn Ol''l" OIAJ . r~ (l I· :i () 1'1 I I hE: ' h () li . l:. h E! 1'-1 .i n :.i ,, I.E'! I" (.1 f J 11 s I i. r: ,,, /·.o j n 1". r' o d 11 C:Ci! d b ·i l ., , " lin I 2674· JunE:' 3, 1988 Vol XL Act Respecting Vr.d.'i.dal·.ion. 11 (Hi .l.l No. Compan :i E! s 1+3) On lllo'l: ·i.on I f].rst U .me, B i ll. No . ( 1~ 3 ) r e a d a order'E•d rE•ad a ~;econd t .. i.nH:. un l··.ornorTOIAl . Mot.ion, the hon . the M:ln:i.ster of Jusi:: .Lr: H l·:u -.ini ... r·oducE'! i.'l bill, 11

An Act To f'ernovE• Anomalies And El"rOY 'S In Ti'lf ~ ~:>ta!:ur.e l.at~.J." (Bill No. tn) 0 n m o U . o n , H i. J. 1 No . first time, ordered t i. nH:. on l: orno r-r- OIJ.J . (ll-'7) rE !ad a r'ead i.'l second 11-1 o t ·i. o n , 1-. h (;, h o n . t h c:! l'-1"i n "'i. s t. e r· u f Sodal Service s l:l'i. l. l , " A n (1 r: I·. To [II] (c1] f Cl·l" ~:1 A C t: , ] 9 7 /. , 11 Lo ·introduCE! a ()llll"!ncl lhu ChLld (13:i]l No. 4·6) On rnoLio n , B:·il.l. No . (46) r·ee1d <:1 ~:: "! r.: u ncl ~~-i.r··:: I· i.'i.nll:!, or·dnr'Hd l"f i!.=trl c:t l···i lilt=! ern l·:ori'IOi'TOlAJ. 01~. COI .. LTNS : Mr·.

Speaker, Or·der 1.3, H:i11 No. 18 . MR. SPEAKER : Or'dEH' 1.3, 11 An Acl· ·. To ATTil'!l'ld ThE! ThE! hon . Nursing Assistants Act." cleba I::P IAJas adj our 'rll'!d by thP member For Stephenville. AN HON. MEMBER: He is nor. hC:H 'e . MR. LONG: Mr. Speaker . MR . SPFAKER : ThH hun . i'.hr:• lill'!lrd:l\'!1'· . fr;r' ~)I· East . Jnhn's MR. LONG : r·hdnk YOI.I, Mr'. ~:) pf:!dkf'!l" , T j u s t·:. IAl a n I· e d l. o i:JI[! COII III I:i!l'l 'i ~:: l'lldlit:! for' Mr :•n:i .hek l:h o·li iiC'ilr.ll!](:•ll/ MJ. n J. !; 1:. E' r· of b J"

l) lllj II 1·. 1-ieal.l :.h acid lo ~;orne or· by I he" l'llf'!lllbur · l: h :i ~; p I" o p o ~., e d i i'l by l.h t:• Lo T hr=• Nill" S .i n~J ()~;~;. ·i.~; 'i.<~l'li ·.~;; (.)r::i dl ·1d :i:o·l\j I,!JI '! ho'il!l '! No. 49 R2674

so rn c->. v E:! r· y r· t' ;;~.l. 1.11ha t.. do d n d s E:! r· :i. o 1.1 s pi"Ob] c::~rns IAr.ith IAJant-: ·ing l·:o amc->.ndrnl'!nt:s. t·:he rnirdstc->.r' is I•J'i . 1·.: h 1.: h f'! s (:' As t. J1 E:• riiE'!Irib C'! r· f""o1n ME '!n:i hE•k hds ~> d 'l.ci , 1,,1::0 h d \J H h i.HI ~:; 0 Iii!'! C 0 1'1 S U ] I· i:.l 1·:. j 0 1'1 IAJ'.i [ h p 0 0 IJ l ('! IAI h 0 IAJ'.:i ] J. b t:! i·l F f u 1: l.

H d by i-.1-ri :> , i n p '' r· i ·.-i c u l .n· wc-!rllbE.H's of the NE!IJJfoundJ.i~nd (.):;soc ·i,:ql:'i.on of Publi.c Frnpl.oy,·:!I'!S, N A P E' , 1~1 h o a r e r· e ~; p o n s i b 1 e f o r dE'! ;:q 1. -i. n q 1,1.1 'i. i: h l: h l:~ con c ::• r· n s of nu1ns:ing assistants. ThE~re are at least tiAJO ver·y cr· i. L i.cal ctHlCf '!t'ns 1~1ld.ch 1..11e • h; :-w::!.

One has to do with the composition o F 1".: h l-?. b o a r· cl i. n IAJ h i. c h 1·: h e c h a n g E! s IAJoul.d provide that the Counc-il of Nursinq Assistants shall. consist of up l::o 15 rnc::'rnbE •I"S, tAJhich is t:o Si:'\Y Lh is Council of NUI"S inq Assistants may bE•colrH :! an a~~E!ncy 1.11 h ·i. c h d o e s n o t , i. n c:-1 n y 1-. r· 1.11:' fashion, repreSE!nt the basic i n l: e r· e s t s o f n u t' s .i n g i'1. s s ·i. s t: a n t s . In fact, it might be more r'E1pr'E'!sentat.'i.VE! oF i.nl·.:er·r::1sts oL:h~:!r' than those of nursing assistants J-.:hC:~IIISr·~J.V(:!S.

We Udnk this is a very SEH':ious c h d. n g C'! i. n l: h r~ rJ .. i. s p o s ·i. i: 'i. o n o F i·: h :~ a s s o c j at '.i o n . J t tAli J ] be:~ a c o u n c i J IAJh 'i.ch j:lf'!l"hi:'lp~; I•JOU.ld hdt)(:' '''-~; r·l pl":iiTidr'y :.inl:c;~r·c-'!~;t. r1ol· pt"OLC'!ci ··ing 1-:1'1 (;, p 0 ~, i i. -j 0 II 0 F 'IU r-· ~:; -j II 9 . I I l t . a~; SJ ~;tan l'..~;, :1u t l"a L ·1e1". pi"O ·:E:' c ..

J n~~ r'l nd del \J <:-11'1 c-i.lllJ o Lhrq·· ·i n·l:c•r"::! s 1·. ~;, ~;uch as t.ho~;r:! oF t:.hE· hospJI··.al t'1 d rn i. n i. •; 1-r· c-1 l:. o r· ~; , ill~; soc i d t i o 11 s a r1 cl o thE! r 'AI . .i. ·1-. h i n l.: h u h r:· "' i t. h c a r· 1::.

IAih:i.cl·l, in racL. rnay i. n l".lo' r· r::! s 1-. cl E! 1 ... r· i.1ne n ·i··. a.l 1·: o ntH's.i.ng asstsl:c.u1U;. hu s p·i i·.i:ll. agenc:ies ~; r:• c 1". or· have an L ho ~; r-'! oF · l'-1r·. ~)pedkE!r', '"''("look hearing the minister FOr'IAidl"d I"E:!spond l:.n t:o s o 1111:'! o r t h r::! concer'JIS IAJ('! h i't l.J I'' brought F o l"tAJiH'd on Lh-.is rna t l:. E! r .

We are noL sure IAI h l-'! 1·: h lo' (' IAJ C·:~ ar·e L267 1) JunE:' 3, 1988 Vol XL going Lo get an adequate accounting on this bus:inE!SS of c:onst ·i.l·.:ut"i.ng +:1'1(:0 counc i.J IJJ i.l:h an open-ended cl.ause which would .:d.lot•J l:ht ;! counci.l. l·o co111e hl be r'C'!PI"E!SentatoiVE! of :interE!SLf:; LIJI 'l'.ich •H'·(;, pnt'hdp•:; rriOt'(' IJIAJ.ii·IC:J i:O ((!J"i-.di ,rl sec tors of Lhe hoal.lh care i':illlll'll'.lnt :.y I.I'IOHJ nt.w~; i nq assistants. Of coursE!, LhPr ·c'!

I•Jt)ltl<"i b:~ i'l bc'lsic quc,'!sl:i .on l:hr ::!n of' th8 purpose and role of such a c: 0 II n c ·.i l. ' ·i. r:· i :·. i. s n 0 L ·I· 0 pI" 0 1··. f'! ct. and advancE:~ the intE!I'E:!st.s of l'liJr's'i.ng <~ss'i.st.i~nl:s, l".hHn indoPd, the supposed purpose of such a ·counci.l. tAJOLild bl;! l·.ht'OI AJn int :o question in a very fundamental way. The ot:her critical area of concern W<->. hatH!

IAI'i.th ·l:h ·is amenclrnf~nt .i.s the ·issUE' of train:in~~ a:'cl r'(:'g:isl:r·al::i.on. ~::;r:!cl::.l .oi·l 8 oF lh::• ·pi"oposed arnE!ndi'I'IE!nl: t.o Lhe l.l:!gis 'l,'lt .·.·i.on I.AJOu-ld r··,;·pr·esHnl. a drarnat:ic changE• in as rnuch as :.i.t : tAJoul.cl dl.l.OIAJ l:he council. t.o r'E!gister ind:ividuals tAJho haVE! not nc"~cr-:!ssar·i.l.y br:!en fully and properly trained as nursing ass:.i.s+·.dnl ·:s.

I lv.lVE! just.. r·a:l~>E!cl l:he questions et b o u 1: 1 ... l·w c o lil p o s ·i :.: oi. o n oF Lhe counc-.il and what :its own essential ·i. n 1-.::! r· P ,, ·!· s 1rri . y h 1·. l:ll'! , i'li'l d l'lUIAI 1.<1(! SC!r:• t-hE! council rnay bE• givPn l .. l1r• t:ll ,l i IW r··j i. y i (I I"(' ':J i ::; 1. HI" puopl1 ·" .=ts nursing assistants tkJho hdVP p::!t'hdp':; i"Uc:1:! i Vl·"d 110 l"fo'i·!] bas :.i. c l:r·a·.i nJ n~~. c.IU<JI"'i::•:• or Th:is 1~10uld pul.. ::in qtH•st:Lon L.l1e c: •. ,1 pi:\ c ·i 1·: y , .:t b ·i 1 "i. L. y d n d i·: It e t' i.

C:J h l: ~., and privileges of alJ other . . l l 111.1 I" s ·1. n g i:l s s 1. s :. d n ·:. ~; thE! I'H:!CBSSclry r e c n i. tJC• d I~ h e Ct=!rl:. i.F i.cat .i.on. who hi:'luP training clo n t! and d p p r· o p r· i. ct l: ::> J:r IAIH IIIOVI:'! inl·:n •'I~; 1'11:"1.~1 ~' ·i l·:.u i:'\ l:: .i.o n bl".ingin~J k i n ( I •:, o f now where wo could be i.nl:o thr,1 pr·ofe~;sion all No . 49 R26'/:)

n o n . p r· o f E'! s s -i. o n a l. s , p e·~ o p 1. (:1 r1ot. I0 8CE:!:i .VE:1d the rn:in:in1urn standard training as s:i st.an-ts at. prE! sent are I-:o undf~r·go. IAlh 0 h i-\_lJ :;! kind~• of nu r' s i. ng r·equ:i red WE! undC'!r·s taiH:l Fr·otn t.alk i.ng IALi.l:h people ' who would be efFected by l".: h l s , t h E! y h a v u h d d s o I' ill:' s H n ~; H Hd s indeed might be a dJrect:'ion h o s p 'i. tal s 10 l g h t tAla n 1:. 1: o go l n Gl n d others in the health sector.

They might make more and more room a v a .i l. a b l. e s o n u r· s -..i. n g a s s .i. s +· a n l: s could be hired without the somet :i.ntt~s, fr·urn ·l:he-i.r· po ·i.nl': of v~i etAJ, unfortunate JnE ~st rictions of t' E! q I.J i r· E~ d [·: t' c·\ .i. n i 1'1 g . NOI~J, of e:OI H'Sf'!, r"lr ··. ~)pe'!t:·\k::!r', r·c.Li ~;(,!~; LhP who1E:! qUE!S l :ion of l:h"i !; the:! pldCl'! ui'" nur·s'i.n,~ c·1SSi•;·i·.c.'lnl:!) i.n i:hC:! pI" o \J :i :; :i on d 1·1 cl d P J i v E! I" y oF hE! all . h 1;,'(( :'!

SC!J''IJ"i C:c'!S. u· IJJC! •.H 'r;! <!JO .i.Jl\j, ·ll11'·ougl1 l hi~; c.tnH:!ndiiiE!nt Lo thE:' ~Jur·s ·i.ng ~ss··i.sl:dni·.c; (lei·., l:o opun up thE~ pos.itjOJI oF nur•sing as~;isl:c..nl:S 1.: u cHl y b

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f) f:~ 'i. n () F F ·Uw sttnc->.~~t. and bE! given cer· ·U.f:icat:ion lAd ~·.hou1: having dorw dny l:r·r;\'i .n i.ny, t-hen it r·aises a very irnpor·tant i.ssu<;! as t-.o l·:hf~ pos·i.L·i.on c:1nd r·esponsibiLi.ty and i:.he pr·otection of the posi.tions and responsibilities of nursing . l l I . . I I ass .1. s ··.an ·:. ~:; IAJO r' < . .l n q 1. n ·:. 1 ~'! hosp:itals and ol'.hE•t~ inst:ii:uU.ons . 0 f c o u r· s E! , L h H n u r· s i. n 9 <·1 ~; s i. s 1·: a n l:. s dr'E! VE~I"Y :.i.rnportanl: people~· who r'E!pt'<'!SE!nl ·. CHJH i.tnpcwl-.i:Hll ... aspecl-. oF U1 E! d e 1 i v E! r y o f hE! a 1 t: h c a r 1:! s~:~r·vlces. v~ ~,, h a I) 1:'! h ['\ d i. n f. h f'! J d ~; 1·.: c

I) I I p J ~'! () I n1011t.hs a tAJidE! J"anging c:onsi .dt:·r·c·ll: 'ion <)r l:hH pr·oblHHJ!; tAril:h I ·1 l I . . l I . lf=!a ·:. 'I Cdi"E'! ~;E:•J"IJJ C('!S ln ·. ·1·.1~~ F't·'ot ri.t·lcr:•. irJH Cr'ln on·ly ddd l.u L!Jc:• (: 0 fl C E'' r• I I~; I~ d :i. S E:• ci abo U l: l..l1 E! sllOr 'Ldg~:~s of=- nur·~;t·:!:;J lJH:! ~;hor·l·r:tqC!S r1F spPciC:.~li!:;Ls dllcl l.l·1r:! clo~;jn~j of b (·:· d ~, I d d f" q I I d I~ I'! F u n e I .i I] g r

I) I" (·.hI ·'' I 2676 June 3, 1988 Vol XL. Ac:LI"i:n CrH'H lJrl'i 1·. dild i'll1 of 7 ti ·lf:! rna ny con c e r· n s beE:~ n I?J"OU g ht f o r'tAJa t"cl "i.l'l IJfH'Y IH'\jf:!I'Jl ·. IAJc:\ljS i.n the=?. lasl ... couple of month~;. We tAJoulcl c~dd Lo l·.h"i !:; con1:Hr ·n~; i.n (j(!l'lt'!r'r ·1l .Jbe)IJ l·. l.:he posit:ion of nursing assJstani.:s lAfh o , oF co IJ r· s H , d r· !=! 1~10 r· k ~=· r· s i. n L: he hE!alt:h cainE! SE!Cl'..or, and C.H'E! dl.~:;o, l. .i. k (;! eve t' y u 11 e e l. ~:; c,~ , FE! f~ 1 i. n 9 l:. h r;! effects of continued restraint o v E.' r· t h f:! y r~ d t' s .

T h c:~ y a r ~~ n C:IIAJ , i n this case, going to be put Jn a p o s i t · i. o n o f a g li:1 n E! r· d 1 k j. r 1 d o f attack on their position among st f.l 1.1 '1-. h t->. I) 1: h ~:! r• h (! r'll. l.: h Cat'~:! IAJO r k E! r· S as one profess-ional group. The nursing assistant. :s u.Jho, J.ik<'! d n y 0 1.: h "' t' 9 r· () u p ' rn r:·\ t n +: d i. n r'.'l d (o! g r e·:· (! of pride and responsibility in i:hr:• ·i.l" I~JOt'k, <H'r'! I'JOIAI lu bt'! ! ... old Lhc;•y should IAJelcomE:· atnong::.l. l.h1:·it" r·.::tnks ·incli\Jidtt.::t·l ~; Luhu hdtJ, ;! l'lt)i ·. ~Jon E! L h t· o ugh l h t=!

I" E'' q u ::i r· (=• cl l. 1" i'l . .i n L crq •Hld wlln t:r'ln i.rHL! c:•d he :! IHOtlqi1i". i1 ·1 ofF Lhc'! s Lt·ec'!'L. WP11, theSE! ar·e Lhe concer·ns IAJE:' IJ.Joul.d l. ·i.ke~ l:o r·r:-1i .se i.'t l: th :is poi.11l :., i.n SE!Cond r·ead:i.ng of LhE! B:i.ll. T IAJi .ll. no!: l·.ak::! i·\ t..<Jhnl.P l.ul· . tnon.,~ l:: i IT! E! t 0 d EdJ a t E! t h i S , b U t. I.Af E' d 0 look Fnr'tAJdr 'd L:o t.:i'w 1n Ln is Ler·' s response to this issue.

There are v f'! r· y s f>. r· i. o u s c o n c e r· n s c:~ b o u ~· IAJ h a l·: the effect oF t:hE!SE! arnendrnt:!nLs IAf'i ll I:H~ I , ... () ,-\l lUI•J UH;! )'' (;! g .i s I~ I" d l: i.

l) I') of n u r s j n g as s i s t c:~ n t s IAJi thou l:: any For'lflrl.l. s l:.c::tndcu'ds Fur · Lr·a .Ln i.ng. ~') o U1 a t. , c o ml :l .i. n ,,, d IAJ i. I h L h '''! composiLi .on of lhe Counc:-il of 1\Jur· si Jlq As s·i s·hulf ·.s, c::ti 'H I wo VEH'Y s E! r :i o u s con c e r· n s I.AJ e h Cl v E· t~.J:i. l':. h L hE· pt"opo ~; r:>d ;:uttundtrJ: :!nl"., dlony w_Lio.IJ SOITIE: ' of Lhe oLher· qUf!Sti .on "~ Lhat l:lle'! lfl:~rni:H'·r· Few MC:!I'l ·i l1c=ok hdut=• t"d i.~:;r:•d tArith spec: :ific J"(=!FE'!I°C'!I'1CC'• l.:n t:.hE'!S(=! •'lllll'!lldiiH'!I'li'. !; 0 F c: o 1.1 r' •:.

I'! , I h t'! conl ·c~:-~1: r:-()l '' d ~l-1 uf dncl in LhPse concPrns :i.~; ql.'•l'l('l"d] u n l.J o ·i. Ill:] !; I i.'i I.:! n r· c.l I·' ; HI'' i (II" <'I I ·j I) 11 No. 49 1~2676

the health care sector. it is that context and that backdr·op I.IJhich r·a .ls~=:~s lhc~ levt->.1 of importance, if you will. of our concerns abou~ these specifJc <'.lmendrn~:·nts. li\l:il·l ·1 L.l1at~. Ml". SpE'!akc~·l", I to~J-.:ill s.it. dot~Jrl cHHJ allot~J ol··.hr:•l" lil('!ll!br·'!t'~; Lo c:onLi ntH·' thE~ debat:.E-'. DR. COI.LJNS: fJ!t •. ~3p0c'1 k E! t' . r.IJR. SPFAKF.i{: ------l f ·t h E-~ h o n . t h e rrd n i s t e r s p C-! a k s n 01~1, I·H'' tAri.l J c los H t h C"! d c"d:h·1 h,, . ThE~ h on . l: he r"' .. i. n .. .i. s l-. E:! r· o-r:· He d l. t h . DR. COLLINS: T h <'1 n k you • Mr· .

S p E~ d k ~:! r· . I IAJc~nt to lhank cj\11 hon . lnelfll::>l'!r'S for thE!il" cornntents. ThE•y have raisE•d sorne, I wot .1ld call. l".h1:~1n, potential concerns. because they ar ·e rea 1.1 y no 1:. 1 eg ·i.l· . ..i.mal··.r~ concerns, as I hope to show. Let rnE:' just deal 1.-~.dth a fE!lAJ llli'·.l.tl·: .c"!rs l.~l101.1gh ·- r: th ·i.nk t~hesf:. were mainly brought up by ihe hon. 111 e rn b e r· "f o r· P o r--1 ~ d e G r· i.'l v t->. ( M r· . Ffford) - before I get into the s p p c 1. r· l c c'l r· (~as .

I HLi.nk i.JH:!r'c'• I;H'!t'c~ l·:t•JO b·i g i'lr'Ui'l'>. 0 n e IAJd ~; t h :i s b 11 s ".i. n 1:! s ~; about I·· hE'! r·1 :;!g ·i_~; i.Tc·1l: i.Oi'l 0 r:·

I) i·.hl·:!t· tjr'OI.IFJS, •'li"lC:i I''E!]dt(;!cl 'I 0 that·, IAidS l:hE~ l:l"d:in:ing ''' ~' p n c ·t·. . T h t:! n 1··. hI'!

I) i·. h f'' r· "'r· n"' I)Jd ~; t.hP (;ti"E'i'.l IAJh:i.ch dE!dJ. 't IAJi.l:h thE! i'fk\ k n up

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I) u n r: ·i l ·i l-: s I'! :1 r . nut:, beforE>. I 9E! 'l l.o thoSE! two a r· <~ ''' ~; , j 1.1 s 1: a b r· i.e f~ I•JO r· ,j . T h 1:'! h u 11 . 1 fl f:O 1r1 be r· fur· Po I" I·~ d I'! C , .• d lJ H La]I<E'!cl about. l·:h<:! uncl('·r·stclff':ing of l.~hlo! health Ci:H'r! ~;ysi:~E:!Ifl. All r I>Hl say is 1 Lhoi.nk he is atAJar·E:• l.J.JE:• hatJe a ~; t.:udy I:J('! i.nq donC'! by i·.ho~;c:• in l::l1e nursing area, and that wi]l L/.677 JtHll:~ 3, 1988 Vol XI. include nursing assistants' concerns. . That study is i~ n t i C:l par. ed S Orn<~ i-. i. Hit·:! bet lAW 12. n n OIAJ and l:.hE• end of SE!ptE·mbE·r·.

I L h ·i. n k . r. !·~ i. s no !·~ i. n o u 1" h a n cl s i.l.Jhen :Lt. 1.-~r.i.Jl corne in. Thei"E:! '.i.s <:~ g r· o u p s e t ·. 1.1 p 1. o d u ; ·l. L IM J. 1-h 1·.: h ,,, l·:. (:'1 n cl IAJe haiJE• bc~!E•n :in touch t.~rit.h UtE:!lfl on i·\ t' l'! p C:'! c:·\ [:I'! 1! b d S i_ S , i'( fl rl (,

l) I'! IV·\ I) 1:! ~; 0::·1 j_ ci IAJe arE! anxjous t.o gc~L LhE! study. L·,h:. h c:ct IJ ('! H n c o u r' .:~ ~F! d I: h cHI i:

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I) L L as quickly as possib]e, but we I)Jdnl~ . ·j ~~ don(~ i:hor'c)ughly, obv:iously. We l.J.Jant to rnakc:' sur'E• l~h.:-~·i: c'll.l 1-.:hl:! bdSf'!S ;·:lr··r:! l:OUt:lli::!d befor'E! thE!Y br·:ing in t.ht:!::LI~ sLudy, b U 1-. IAJl:! d t' c~ .:~ 1'1 Xi 0 II S 1-.

I) Cj E:!'i~ ··:i.l': . ~~) 0 that wjll deal with the under·s LaFf-Lng. Just let me make one ol:.her c u rrn n e n 1: . [ l:: h i. n k h o n . 1 n C'! 1 n b t'' I" ~' d o understand the h1'•alth carE ; ~;ystJ!IIl h d s p r· e ~; s u r' e s p u 1:. on i 1:-. I.!J h L ·d1 u iH ' y a] most on a dai.l.y bas:i .s. It .. :is j u s t n o t. p o s s i. b 1 C'! , i:'l n cl n o jurisdiction, no hE!a]th C<H'E! s y s I·~ f~ 1r1 IAJO u l. d f=- "i. n d "i. +.: p o ss t b li:'! , t. o gear up so you arE! a11AJays fu] 1y and . s hal. 1 IAH~ say , o v c~!

I" ·-· ad C'! quat. c~!l y staffe!d to deal 1.-~rith the outside~· S j_ i: 1..1 d ·[··. i 0 1'1 • '( 0 Ll IAJO U l d rl (' E' d pl"act:ically 'the IAlholE! pl"ovinc:i .r.~J budgl:'i: Lo do t:hc:~i:. All. any jurisdiction can do is to put in p 1. a c E! ~; u ·f F ·:i. t: i C:! n 1-. I'' r:! ~'; o 1.1 r· c E:! s , :i n c 1 u d :i n ~J s 1: a f f :i n g , L o d H a ] t..1r:i t: h i Jw C! X p (c! t: i ·. (' d ., I) ,"1 d , b U i··. y I) 1.1 IAI i "j 1. knOIAJ that PVE:!l"Y oncE:• ::in(~ I~Jh:.i.]('' U "'' r· u t•J i I ., l:l ~~ ~" 1 c !1 d -1 u , 'ttl I· !1>'1 l: y , ) u c1r·e s LI"C"•tched Lo t.~he J.·i1nj 1.:.

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c) i ·. c ..=t r· I" y u n f" u r· IJ l:! I" y J ong fol"t:unat:E!ly. and then yuu gr:: 1·: bdrk ·inl :•l i't h·HH.iledblc:• sii .. _Jidi:i.u ll . I just wanted to say that. The other thing that Lhe hon. lll<~tnb(:!r' fur· Pot·!· . du G1··au''! br·oughl:: up IAJas t:.hE! DVA IAICJ.I"d. I aqi"E:!C 1..11·.ith h i. 1 n . I 1--. h i. n k p H o p l u cl o I All 1 u n 1:~ h e DVA ward are there for extended per·iocl~; oF I·.~Lirtl'~. If· i~:. "' ')~:!I"Y rE!str:i.cLed typto! oF atmosphE•I·'e. 1 No . ,1-9 V6'77

th:i nk 'it should bE! :Unpi"OUE:'d. It: ·i.s r·::!d}ly <'1 F~:!Ck!l"c'll. j IH'·i .sd ·i.c 1·.-i.tHic'l .l i:li"E'!a. i'1nyi:hi.ng l.ltic/E>I" [·.dke WE:! Cdnr1ot r·ealJ.y do .~boul: ·i.l·., buL J I1Ji .ll to br··.i.ng :it. Lo l.he al·_h·:!nL.·:i.on oF ·l--.1 -lt:! f::•cJr-:!t'd -1. Mtn·isi· .Hr' of 1·/E!al.Lh ctnd Wt:•] f'cu·e LhE! nex l~ i.·. L 1 n H r: s f'! H lri. 1 11 . Noi;..J, l'-1r·. Spf~dkur·, on I': he liAJO liH'ge arE:~as concernE:~d, that j s t.he change ln the definlti.on of a nursing assistant.

I would like to r·ecall, 'i.f I can put rny hands on it qujckly, what the present IAJor·d:i.ng oF thE:! act. says. [t oi.s quite festrictiva. The definition presently says, 1 RegisterHd Nur·s:ing Assistant JnE!ans a nur·sing . t I . :1 I I I . as s 1. s .: an ".: I"<:! g 1. s t. ·~ r· (~ l' u n r: to! r· :. ·1 --~ s r.l.C-1: 11 -· no p!"obJ ern -- 11 1AJho Ll n d ~'! r· l· d k f'! ~; -1': he C i'lr' H 0 1- p r:1l "i. (• i'l 1.

S d1'1d I"E!S'.iclents of cust:od:idl, CUrl U c'll H :; 1: H n !·. d n ,J 0 1·. h H t' :ir1s ·t·:ituf.ions unclE!!" Lht.' d:i.r'E!CI:i .on o F '-" t' f:~ y 'i. s L e t' e c/ n 1 1 t' s H n I" d c/1 1l y qual:iF:ied medical practil.ioner. 1 ~)[) HIE!I"I:! cH'i~ 1-.I~JO pt'OlJ'i.s ·i.ons l.:l'li:!t'l'! notAl. One, you hdv e t. o be r·:~g ·i.sh'!t'Hd undl:'!r' l.:hr~ •'ICI:; f"1110, yotl hetu~~ l.o bE:! taking diJ"ecL Cc'lr'E:~ of pdl :i .<'!nl· .~; or· t'r:~!; i.dr:•nl :s .-,,nd yo11 hi:\Vr:! t.o bE! d:ir'E:!ctJy undC:~r a quaJifi(:~d ph y s .i. c ·i. an or· a t' f~ g "i. s 1·. E:~ r· c,~ d n u r' s C'! .

What Lhi .s changE! .i.n dHf·i .ni l·"i.on wiJ] do is Lake care of a s .i L. u F.! 1--. i u n Lll h i. c h 1 ~~ d ~' i'1 c t·.: 1.1 a l. l y bt"ought loi"IAIC1J"d fi"Orn tt~lo sources. Cll'lC'! IAJdS l::h(;! COI .JI'lCi.l .i.t~s~:!LF and, tiAIO, IAIC\S CUI:>E. CUPE UIE!ITlSE•lves br·oughl:. For'to~Jar·d a concE'·r·n l·:hE!t'E!. ThE!Y say t~his :is t.oo rE!Stricted.

Whal-- c'1bOt.tl·: l·:h(:! nur·si.ng assi.~;l·:dni·. wiLh all that Lrain:ing and that-: sor·t of l::hi .ng 1~1/10 ·i~; nol --. c:J·i .r·r->.cl~ 'ly tdl<:ing C<H'E:' of pal'::iEHJts but, say, j S IAJO t' k ·i II g --i 1'1 d 1'1 () f~ U I" IAJO 1··· k -i_ 1'1 g dot.~Jn jn LI1E! phys:iothel"i::lPY dHpdr··l~lfiHnl or' tllor·!cLtlt:J ·i 11 Ul\'' r· E'! s p j I" i::l L o I" y 1: E! c h no~~ o ~J y de p a I" 1:. rn <:! n 1:: , or· l._li'lc't l. H l)('! r·? l/·w y rH' ,, no I 1·,.-J!( ·i n q d ·.i 1" E:' c