Manitoba Hansard — 15 March 2023 (Sitting 29, 42nd Legislature, 5th Session)

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Fifth Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXVII No. 29 - 1:30 p.m., Wednesday, March 15, 2023 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon. Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon.

Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott, Hon. Assiniboia PC KHAN, Obby, Hon. Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLEIN, Kevin E., Hon. Kirkfield Park PC LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice, Hon.

Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg, Hon. Riding Mountain PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle, Hon. Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP REYES, Jon, Hon. Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew, Hon. Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James, Hon. Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon.

Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC Vacant Morden-Winkler

807 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Wednesday, March 15, 2023 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and pro sperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know it wit h certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen.

We acknowledge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of th e Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline and Nehethowuk nations. We acknowledge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in partner- ship with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration.

Good afternoon, everybody. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 226–The Universal Newborn Hearing Screening Amendment Act MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): I move, seconded by the MLA for Fort Rouge, that Bill 226, The Universal Newborn Hearing Screening Amend- ment Act, be now read a first time. Motion presented. MLA Asagwara: I'm happy for the third time to bring forward Bill 226, The Uni versal Newborn Hearing Screening Amendment Act.

The Uni versal Newborn Hearing Screening Amendment Act will offer parents the oppor tunity to have their newborns tested for congenital cytomegalovirus, or CMV, the most common, non-genetic cause of permanent hearing loss in children, as part of their regular newborn hearing screening. This will prevent complications later in life because if CMV is identified quickly, newborns can be offered antivirals that are more effective earlier in life. More and more provinces are screening for CMV and it's overdue that Manitoba gets on board.

Now, while I 'm disappointed that I 'm having to intro duce this Bill 226 for a third time, I do hope that this bill, and the newborns in families who will benefit from it being passed, receive the unanimous support of this entire House. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] Committee reports? TABLING OF REPORTS Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Government House Leader): Madam Speaker, I table, for the information of the House, on behalf of myself and the Opposition House Leader, the Estimates order. Madam Speaker: Ministerial statements?

MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Jewel Casselman Hon. Scott Johnston (Minister of Seniors and Long-Term Care): Madam Speaker, today I have the pleasure to speak to the accomplishments of an outstanding teacher in the St. James -Assiniboia School Division. Jewel Casselman has been teaching K-to-5 music at Lakewood School for 17 years of her 35- year career as an edu cational musical pro fessional. Jewel runs several extra- curricular pro grams at various levels, such as the school Orff club, the primary choir for grades 1 and 2, and intermediate choir for grades 3 to 5.

Her choirs and Orff clubs have received many gold standings and trophies at the Winnipeg Music Festivals. Jewel was recognized by the Manitoba Orff

Chapter in 2014, receiving the Morna -June Morrow Award for excellence in music edu cation. She was also recog nized in 2019 when she received the prestigious Michael J. Proudfoot Award, which is presented to the conductor w ho demonstrates a passion for excellence in choral work.

808 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 In 2022, Jewel was nominated for the MusiCounts Teacher of the Year Award. This award was for dedication and student impact. And on Monday evening, Jewel 's many years of joyful hard work was recognized at the JUNO Awards in Edmonton. She was honoured by winning the 2023 MusiCounts Teacher of the Year Award. She is the first ever elementary educator to win this award. Madam Speaker, please join me in congratulating and celebrating the accomplishments of Jewel Casselman. Kamil Jones-Strachan Ms.

Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): Madam Speaker, I am so pleased to stand today to introduce this House to a talented Wolseley resident, Kamil Jones-Strachan. Kamil is 11 years old and he recently won the Stewart M. Thomson trophy from the Winnipeg Music Festival for best vocalist in the 14-years-and-under category. Kamil sings with the Winnipeg Boys ' Choir and he plays piano. Later this month, he 's heading to Toronto as a finalist in the Royal Conservator y of Music, Music Lights the Way Piano Festival.

A few years ago, Kamil 's dad Larry Strachan composed a song based on the 1974 poem Hey Black Child by Useni Eugene Perkins. It was written for Kamil's brother Jericho to perform at the Winnipeg Music Festi val, and this year it was his younger brother's turn. With this performance, Kamil was selected best vocalist in his age category for the second year in a row.

Kamil not only made beautiful music, but he also shared a beautiful and important message with all those who witnessed his performance: "Hey Black Child / Do you know who you are / Who you really are / Do you know you can be / What you want to be / If you try to be / What you can be". Kamil comes from a musical family. Dad, Larry Strachan, is an orchestral conductor, as well as composer. His pieces have been performed by the Manitoba Chamber Orchestra. Mom, Zilla Jones, also has a degree in music, but is an award -winning fiction writer who also happens to be a lawyer and an anti-racist activist.

I wanted to honour Kamil today for his hard work as a vocalist and pianist who is also competitive in math and soccer. Kamil is clearly a talented and focused boy who, like his older brother, will grow into a well-rounded young man in a family of leaders and artistic role models in our community. I'm so glad that many of Kamil's family could be here today to see him recognized in this way. Please join me in congratulating Kamil Jones - Strachan. * (13:40) Madam Speaker: The honour able member for Borderland (Mr. Guenter)–oh, no. The honour able member for Rossmere.

Medically Assisted Death Eligibility Criteria Mr. Andrew Micklefield (Rossmere): Madam Speaker, I rise to raise the concerns brought to me by medical professionals deeply troubled by federal government recommendations that eligibility for medically assisted death be expanded to include minors and those struggling with mental health.

In fact, the federal parliamentary committee 's 23 recommendations contain the word minor 17 times and c all for consultation on, quote: "minors in the child welfare system and Indigenous minors." These are sick, dystopian recommendations that promote a death culture in Canada and should be off the table. Canada has drawn concern from other nations as one of the world 's most permissive assisted death jurisdictions, yet now contemplates expanding MAID for those with mental illness, and children.

Those considering these changes must contem - plate their implications and consider the kind of country we are building not only for our children, but also for ourselves. No one should ever be encouraged to end their life. People recover from mental illness, and the distresses experienced by teenagers, though very real, are seldom permanent. Death is not the only option. Support is available though friends, professionals and organizations offering proven help for those in dark places. No one is beyond hope and a good future.

I call on those receiving these recommendations to turn their pause of these expansions into a stop. Anyone watching who is at risk or knows of someone at risk to harm themselves should call 911, go to an emergency department or consult Manitoba's Mental Health and Wellness Resource Finder website. We must show compassion by helping people and their families find life, not death.

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 809 Since legalizing MAID seven years ago, Canada has steadily removed restrictions and now contem - plates MAID for children and the mentally ill. Just because we can does not mean we should. What we justify today will be normal tomorrow, and many are asking: Where will all this end? Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. International Hope Canada Mr. Diljeet Brar (Burrows): Madam Speaker, I rise in the House to recognize the incredible work of International Hope Canada, a non-profit organization in my constituency of Burrows.

IHC is a volunteer - run organization that provides non- pharmaceutical medical supplies and equipment to countries where such items are in critically short supply. I had the privilege of meeting w ith volunteers at IHC recently and visiting their 9,300- square-foot warehouse that accommodates donated and reclaimed medical equipment and supplies received by IHC. It was amazing to see the dedication and passion of all the volunteers and their creativit y in reusing equipment to create usable medical equipment such as wheelchairs, stretchers and much more.

Since 1997, IHC volunteers have sent medical materials to over 50 countries and communities around the world. What first started as a passion project by Phyllis Reader, an operating room nurse, has evolved into a volunteer -run organization that is addressing the pressing need for supplies and equipment in the under-resourced countries. Years ago, most refurbished items were hand delivered in suitcase s or shipped in crates or on pallets. Now, with the support of other community partners, IHC volunteers fill 40- foot shipping con- tainers to send overseas.

I want to take this opportunity to appreciate all the volunteers at IHC who dedicate their time to helping our brothers and sisters all over the world. What would otherwise end up in landfills, IHC is repurposing the same materials to transform lives. Most of their items are primarily given by hospitals, clinics, medical businesses and individuals. I encour- age Manitobans to consider IHC when donating supplies and unused medical equipment. Madam Speaker, I ask members to join me in recognizing the invaluable work of volunteers at International Hope Canada who are here with us in the gallery.

Muriel Chisholm, Val Cutts, Hank Friesen, Janice McBean, Tom Nichol, Kevin Stewart, Paul Stewart. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for Burrows. Mr. Brar: May I request for leave to enter the names of the guests into Hansard? Madam Speaker: Is there leave to allow – [interjection]–the member doesn't need leave. He just has to give the names to Hansard. Zane Lambert Hon.

Eileen Clarke (Minister of Indigenous Reconciliation and Northern Relations): Madam Speaker, I rise in the House today to recognize and acknowledge the life and accomplishments of one of the best Canadian professional bull riders: Zane Lambert. Lambert was born and raised in Westbourne, Manitoba and attended school in Gladstone. Although he no longer resides in the area, his roots are in Agassiz, and his notable career spans all across Canada. Zane grew up around horses and cattle, but rodeos and bull riding were not of abundance in our rural communities. However, that did not deter him from his dream of riding.

At a young age, he had a passion for bull riding and, by the age of 15, had the desire to go pro but would have to wait until he was 18 as an 'aldult' before making that dream become a reality. Zane has been on more than 750 bulls, riding more than 375; has won 31 events and more than $500,000 in earnings. He is also the only rider in Canadian history to have qualified for and competed at every PBR Canada National Finals and the first rider to have won the year -end events multiple times in back-to-back years. These are just a few of the many highlights to be proud of his only 20 -year career.

Having just retired from his pro riding, Zane looks forward to being with his family and watching his young boys wear out cowboy boots and hats and getting them involved in rodeos. Last fall, the pro rider was recognized with the Zane Lambert Lifetime Achievement Award, and 2023 will see the beginning of this annual award go to an individual who has the same drive, passion and commitment as Lambert had to the sport. Thank you to Zane for all his contributions to professional bull riding and for being a wonderful, respected role model and a mentor for those up and

810 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 coming in the sport. May you continue to lead by example. Although Zane is not able to join us today, I welcome his very proud parents, Keith and Karen Lambert of Agassiz constituency. Madam Speaker, I'd like to ask that our members join the House in recognizing and congratulating Zane on his most notable career in professional bull riding and wish him all the very best in his retirement of the sport. Thank you. Introduction of Guests Madam Speaker: Prior to oral questions I would like to introduce to you some guests we have in the public gallery.

We have seated in the public gallery, from HBNI School, 22 grade 9 students, and this group is located in the constituency of the honour able member for Portage la Prairie (Mr. Wishart). On behalf of all members here, we welcome all of you to the Manitoba Legislature. ORAL QUESTIONS Lifeflight Air Ambulance Impact of Privatization Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): We've raised concerns about medical trans portation many times with this Premier (Mrs. Stefanson), and there have been many issues. Eleanor Buechler suffered a heart attack in February.

She had to be transported to Brandon Regional Health Centre, but once there, physicians decided that she needed to be sent to Winnipeg for further tests. In short, this trip was terrible. And I quote, Eleanor said, I thought I was going to die on this trip. I didn't expect to make it to Winnipeg. End quote. This is the state of health care in Manitoba today. Will the Premier apologize to Eleanor for failing to give seniors in Manitoba the health care that they deserve? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Deputy Premier): I ap preciate the member raising this concern.

We take the health and safety of seniors –in fact, all Manitobans –very seriously. That's why, in this particular budget, we're investing an addi tional $668 million for health care. Madam Speaker, this represents a 9.2 per cent increase to the health -care budget this year alone. We're going to continue to make invest ments in health care so that Manitoba seniors and, in fact, all Manitobans get the health care that they deserve. * (13:50) Madam Speaker: The honour able Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Kinew: Ms. Buechler deserves better.

She says that she was petrified –that's a quote–during this trip. And this is an issue that affects rural Manitoba and the North, everyone across the province. She told us, and I quote here: I 'm usually a behind-the-scenes kind of person, but I need people to know about this because it has crushed my faith in the health system. Something has to be done. End quote. We agree. Something has to be done, but nothing that this gov ernment has done to date will improve medical aviation services.

In fact, after privatizing air ambulance services, this gov ernment is now seeking to contract out even more of these services. They put out that RFP just last year. And who's paying the price? Well, it 's patients like Ms. Buechler. Will the Premier admit that the priva tization of Lifeflight Air Ambulance services was wrong and that she will commit to improving health care for seniors like Ms. Buechler? Mr. Cullen: We certainly are on a journey to heal health care here in Manitoba. And that's why we're making record investments in health care.

This goes into the transportation services, as well, whether this be by ground ambulance or air ambulance. Certainly, the intent of the RFP that's been put out in terms of aviation services will ensure a timely, safe and reliable and consistent care for patients that are using the aviation services. This, I think, RFP will also build a more modern critical-care service that supports the evolving needs of Manitobans, including those in northern Manitoba. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Mr. Kinew: I just want to point out for the Deputy Premier that Ms.

Buechler was transported to the Brandon Regional Health Centre. This is a live issue in the Westman, this is a live issue in many rural com- munities.

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 811 It began with Brian Pallister's priva tization of Lifeflight Air Ambulance, which this Premier supported along with the rest of the PC Cabinet. We know that this priva tization has led to very poor patient outcomes. Some very high-profile cases come to mind. Now, in this instance, Eleanor Buechle r is speaking out. She's a senior who shouldn't have to go and fight the provincial government just to be able to get safe transportation for the health-care services that she needs. And yet, such is the case of health care today under this PC government.

Will the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) simply admit that the air ambulance privatization agenda was wrong and that this government will now reverse course? Mr. Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, our goal is to make sure that Manitobans have the services that they expect and they deserve, quite frankly. That's why we are making a –record investments in health care, almost $8 -billion investment in health care in this year's budget.

We recog nize, through the RFP process, again, to develop a 24- hours-a-day, 365-days-a-year service to make sure that adequate and critical and the specialty care that is needed is there and provided in those–for those services. I will say, also, Madam Speaker, we recog nize the challenges on the human resource side. That's why we've committed $200 million to attract over 2,000 health-care professionals. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a new question. Allied Health Professionals Collective Bargaining Contract Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Under this Premier, health services in the Deputy Premier's backyard are closing. You look at facilities in communities like Carberry, Glenboro, Wawanesa, Roblin, all of these facilities are experiencing closures because health pro fessionals like lab techs, paramedics and others in allied health have been without a contract for five years. No contract for these health -care heroes. That's disrespectful and that's one of the reasons that we're losing people from t he front lines of health care in rural Manitoba at a time when we can least afford it.

Why has the Premier disrespected allied health - care professionals for five years? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Deputy Premier): Well, Madam Speaker, we do, in fact, value the health-care workers. They are the front line in provi ding services for Manitobans across our province. We recog nize–certainly, we're challenged with human resource, not just in Manitoba, quite frankly. This is something we're seeing all across the country. And, unfortunately, what we're finding in some of these situations, we have other provinces actually coming into Manitoba and poaching some of our doctors.

That is putting extra stress on these emergency room facilities. Madam Speaker, we recog nize these challenges. That's why we've committed $200 million to attract 2,000 more health-care workers to Manitoba. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Kinew: You know, Madam Speaker, some of these facilities in the Westman and the –in the Interlake and in the Parkland are closing because we're losing allied health-care professionals.

But here's the part that the Deputy Premier leaves out: The reason why a lab tech leaves for Saskatchewan is because this government has frozen their wages for half a decade. We're in a war for talent, but this gov ernment is forcing health -care pro fes- sionals out of the front lines with this disrespect.

Allied health -care pro fessionals are the para- medics that transport you to the hospital when you need it, that ensure that you can get an X-ray, that are the respiratory therapists that take care of some of the sickest people in this province, and for five years this government has refused to sit down a t the table with them. That's an absolute shame, because it's harming patient care across our great province. When will this Premier end the disrespect for allied health-care professionals? Mr.

Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, I want to point out to the members opposite that many of the contracts in health care and across health care have actually been put in place. I know there's a few outstanding contracts, as the member referenced. Certainly, those discussions are ongoing. We, as government, are not the, you know–we are the payer; we're not there negotiating those contracts. I'm optimistic that these contracts will be resolved in the very near future. And this is critical to health care in Manitoba.

812 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 We, certainly, are investing in health care; $7.9 billion in this budget alone, committing $200 million specifically to attract health-care workers. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Mr. Kinew: How many people in rural Manitoba complain about long waits for ambulances? This is the reason why. It's because this gov ernment has left paramedics and other allied health-care professionals without a contract for five years.

That's why these paramedics and other allied health-care professionals–we're at risk of losing them. It's because of a political decision made by this gov- ernment. The gov ernment could easily ensure that these folks are respected, that they get a decent wage and that they stay on the front lines, but they won't. Instead, thi s PC gov ernment is trying to save money. That's during a health-care crisis. Will the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) finally admit that this approach is failing Manitobans, and start respecting allied health -care pro fessionals today, starting with a new contract? Mr.

Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, I will, again, point out that many of the contracts dealing with health care in Manitoba have been addressed. There's a few outstanding contracts that I think will probably be resolved in the coming days or months ahead. Madam Speaker, I will say, as well, in this parti- cular budget–and hopefully, the members at the end of the day will bring forward and allow us to move this budget forward, because this budget, through our tax savings, will provide a benefit of $1,400 in this tax proposal alone.

And these types of initiatives, as well as having these contracts resolved, will make us, as Manitobans, and Manitoba more attractive to health-care workers, and they will stay in Manitoba to support health care and support Manitobans. Recruitment of Rural Paramedics Collective Bargaining Contract MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Madam Speaker, the Premier and her PC colleagues must have a real disdain for health-care workers.

The Premier, who was also Brian Pallister's failed Health minister, and her PC gov ernment have kept allied health-care professionals without a fair contract for nearly five years–and, in some cases, almost seven years, Madam Speaker.

Paramedics in rural and northern Manitoba who are already paid less than their counterparts in Winnipeg have been struggling to provide emergency care, because this gov ernment's cuts to health care have increased vacancies and burnout amongst workers. * (14:00) Will this Premier admit that her gov ernment's wage freeze stands in the way of a real plan to recruit, train and retain paramedics that want to work in rural Manitoba? Hon.

James Teitsma (Minister of Consumer Protection and Government Services): I will remind that member that our province has come through a pandemic, which was stressful on health-care workers, and we owe them our gratitude. We value–on this side of the House, we value our health-care workers, we value nurses, we value health-care pro fessionals–allied health -care pro fes- sionals. That's why we put forward a $200- million plan to retain, to train and to recruit more health-care professionals. We're continuing to work on the negotiating table, as well. Shared Health is there as the employer; they're negotiating.

The Leader of the Opposi tion misleads this House by claiming that they're not. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a supplementary question. MLA Asagwara: Madam Speaker, the minister could show that he and his government value these workers by not continuing to freeze their wages for the up- to- almost seven years that they have for these allied health-care pro fessionals. It's been over 1,800 days that these professionals have gone without a contract.

Manitoba's health-care pro fessionals are willing partners in trying to find solutions to the chaos that the PCs have created in health care. They will tell you they're understaffed, they will tell you they're underpaid and they are underappre ciated by this minister and this government. Red River College's advanced -care paramedic program had zero students because Shared Health, created by this government, won't even hire advanced- care paramedics.

How does this gov ernment expect to fill vacancies–never mind ACP seats–when they continue to mistreat health -care workers, freeze their wages and not provide them the deal they deserve?

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 813 Mr. Teitsma: Madam Speaker, I'll simply point out that this year's budget demonstrates the commit ment to val uing health- care workers. That's why there is 668 million more dollars going into our health- care system under this year's budget; a budget that the NDP voted against. Part of that is a $200- million commit ment to retain–as well as train and recruit–to retain health-care professionals. That's certainly what demonstrates a commitment to our health- care pro fessionals in this province. The negotiations continue. They are at the the table.

I'm optimistic that we'll be able to come to an agreement soon. Madam Speaker: The–[interjection] Order. The honourable member for Union Station, on a final supplementary. MLA Asagwara: Madam Speaker, the chaos in health care caused by the Pallister-Stefanson govern- ments' cuts to rural health care continue to undermine patient safety. This Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) and her gov ern- ment claim to speak to health -care workers but, clearly, they're only talking to the health adminis - trators in manage ment, not the front -line health-care professionals who are delive ring care every single day.

Emergency room closures and the threat of EMS station closures has rural paramedics fearing that every day the system will fail and that they won't be able to provide the life -saving care that Manitobans depend on. Why has the minister neglected the working con- ditions for rural paramedics for so long? Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): The chaos the member for Union Station refers to is the chaos that was built under the previous NDP admin - istration, Madam Speaker –structures that were designed to keep people out, not bring them in. We are rolling back the dark days of the NDP.

And these are not my words. We have made changes to allow for internationally trained physicians to enter the health-care workforce sooner. And the registrar of the College of Physicians and Surgeons said the exam they had to write was holding back many qualified internationally trained physicians from coming to the province. I want to table this, Madam Speaker, as one example of the str uctures the members opposite created– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner Program Impact of Staffing Shortage MLA Nahanni Fontaine (St.

Johns): Sexual assault survivors are being turned away from the Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner Program due to a lack of staff. Manitobans are being asked not to wipe them - selves or to shower until they can return when staff are available. Rather than fix the SAN E program's chronic staffing issues, like they promised back in April of 2022, the PCs instead decided to hire a forensic manager to work remotely out of Alberta. That's not what the SANE program needs; they need people that are working directly on the front lines.

Will the Premier apologize for breaking her promise to SANE nurses and sexual assault survivors? Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): Our government is keeping our commitment and promise to individuals that have ex perienced the trau ma of sexual assault. That is why, Madam Speaker, we created the forensic nurse examiner program. It was our gov ern- ment that invested $640,000. It is our government that has provided for positions: permanent, full -time positions to be implemented in that program.

Under the previous adminis tration, it was casual individuals that worked in the program and picked up shifts along the way, Madam Speaker. Six of seven staff have been hired into the new positions: a manager, and training is under way to ensure individuals get the care they need. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Johns, on a supplementary question. MLA Fontaine: The Health Minister promised to fix the SANE program staffing issues back in April of 2022, and yet, she's failed to do anything in what is another shameful display of complete incompetence.

Over the last month, nearly 10 sexual assault survivors were turned away and told–or, told that they could wait in the ER for hours on end, due to a lack of SANE program staff.

814 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 One of those survivors was a little girl, Madam Speaker. A SANE nurse said she does not know if this little girl ended up getting the help that she needed. Will the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) apologize for failing sexual assault survivors, including children? Ms. Gordon: I want to reiterate that six of the seven staff we committed to investing in for this program have been hired, Madam Speaker. Shared Health is working to improve the reliable access to this vital service, so dedi cated staff are being trained.

And I want to thank all the nurses and individuals who are currently working in that program. We on this side of the House respect you ; we value and appreciate the good work that you're doing. And we are making investments to ensure the program has all the supports that is needed to provide this vital service. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Johns, on a final supplementary. MLA Fontaine: This PC government's incompetence is having inexcusable and cruel conse quences.

Two days ago, another child was turned away from the SANE program and told not to come back until there was staff available to examine them. Two days ago , Madam Speaker. That's shameful and it only further traumatizes this child. Having to turn away sexual assault survivors, including children, is also having an– terrible effect on SANE nurses, who feel this very intimately. Will the Premier and the min ister finally do the right thing and hire Manitobans instead of Albertans? Ms.

Gordon: Madam Speaker, earlier this week, one of the members opposite was thanking our gov ern- ment for beefing up staffing in his northern com mu- nity. Today, the member for S t. Johns is not pleased that we have hired six of seven staff to support this very important program. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Gordon: We will continue to make record invest- ments in the program–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Gordon: –some members opposite never did, and to support all the nurses and individuals who are working so hard and so dedicated in that program.

We on this side of the House thank you for your commit- ment. Finance Department Employee–Criminal Charges Department's Knowledge of and Response to Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): This is a question for the Minister of Finance (Mr. Cullen), Madam Speaker. * (14:10) An RCMP in vestigation, code name Project Dawgpound has resulted in the arrests of 21 people and a seizure of $2.5 million in drugs and firearms. One of those people is a Manitoba Finance De- partment employee, who was found to have been bribing police officers and leaking police intel - ligence.

Understandably, Manitobans want more info and to know how like –how something like this has happened. So, the question is: Can the minister tell the House when he was made aware that one of his employees was being investigated by the RCMP? Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice and Attorney G eneral): Madam Speaker, I want to thank the D Division of RCMP and the different law enforcement agencies around Canada who were involved in operation Dawgpound.

Of course, they followed the evidence and the evidence led some unexpected places, but it speaks to the fact that no matter who you are or where you're employed, if you're alleged to be involved in helping those to manufacture or distribute drugs, there are consequences. There are consequences in the law. Charges were laid, and we'll let the court process work its way through, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Concordia, on a supplementary question. Mr. Wiebe: Again, the question is for the Minister of Finance. I think he has some details that may be relevant and of interest to Manitobans.

We know that, as I said, among the–those charged was a Manitoba Finance Special In vestigations Unit employee, and this employee was charged with a– bribery of officers, breach of trust by a public officer and conspiracy to evade pa yment. It's very con cern- ing, and so we're simply asking some factual questions that I'm hoping the minister can put on the record. Can the minister tell us at what point did he put the employee on unpaid leave and at what point was the employee suspended from his job?

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 815 Mr. Goertzen: The member should know, as he purports to be the Justice critic, that asking questions regarding charges that have been laid are not ap pro- priate–to have those charges discussed on the floor of the Legislature. However, the RCMP did report yesterday on the conclusion of operation Dawgpound and the charges that were laid in that particular operation. I want to again thank the RCMP and all those who were involved across Canada for that successful operation.

We know that there are–is more im portant work to do when it comes to the disruption in the manufacture and distribution of drugs. But yesterday's operation is a clear indication that the RCMP, law en- forcement in Manitoba more generally, are dedicated to that effort. Madam Speaker: The honour able–[interjection] Order. The honourable member for Concordia, on a final supplementary. Mr. Wiebe: I think the minister will understand I'm not asking questions about the charges, and that's why we're asking that the Minister of Finance (Mr. Cullen)–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order.

I am going to have to call the–[interjection] I am going to have to call the member to order, from Springfield-Ritchot. And if there are others heckling, I will recognize them too. I have given a little bit of latitude to a member or two. I will cease to do that. Mr. Wiebe: Once again, Madam Speaker, not asking about charges before the courts, but simply the response by the Minister for Finance's department. This employee was fo und to have been leaking police intelligence and bribing officers, so these are very serious allegations.

But Manitobans want to know that there are checks and balances in place to ensure that this kind of thing won't happen again. So, once again, can th e minister tell us what he is doing–what the Minister of Finance is doing to prevent this from happening amongst one of his employees again? Mr. Goertzen: The Department of Finance will no doubt be taking the ap propriate measures to look at the circumstances around this situation, but it is inappropriate to speak in great details about the cir - cumstances of this case, where there are charges that have already been laid, Madam Speaker.

But I would again reiterate my thanks and con- gratulations to the women and men of the RCMP and other law 'enforthment' who were involved in this operation each and every day. While we see the end result of that operation by the seizure of drugs and the seizure of illegal weapons, they are putting them - selves at risk in those operations. We don't always see that risk and that danger, but we know that they're doing it every day and we appre ciate it, Madam Speaker.

Construction Workers Wage Reduction Concerns MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): Madam Speaker, on this side of the House, we respect people who have to go to work every day, workers who get dirt under their nails and workers who wear out their steel-toe boots year after year. They work hard to put food on the table for their families and they should be paid properly. But this Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) couldn't care less about the workers who build our province. She is looking to cut their wages, and that's wrong. Will the Premier tell the House why she is planning to cut wages for construction workers? Hon.

James Teitsma (Minister of Consumer Protection and Government Services): Madam Speaker, I honestly don't really know what the member's insinuating or trying to suggest. I –perhaps she's misinformed. Perhaps she can lend some clarity in the follow-up question. That would certainly help. Our gov ernment is committed to enhancin g affordability for workers across this province. That's why our budget includes massive tax cuts to give Manitobans–and especially low-income Manitobans– a sig nificant reduction in their pay –in their income tax, which will result in a significant increase in their take-home pay.

Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Notre Dame, on a supplementary question. MLA Marcelino: Under this Premier, apprenticeship funding was cut by 43 per cent since 2016, and she weakened safety protections by cutting apprenticeship ratios. We've now learned that the PCs are looking to cut the wages of construction workers this year.

816 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 The cost of gas and groceries keep going up, and now the PCs are trying to cut the wages of the people who build our province. That's wrong. Will this Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) stop her plans to cut construction workers' wages today? Hon. Sarah Guillemard (Minister of Advanced Education and Training): I first want to thank all Manitobans who have decided to take a career in the trades. Our government is grateful for all of your hard work.

Madam Speaker, what the member is referring to is actually our attempt as government to reach out and get feedback from front -line workers on various proposals before us, and that would make the members opposite nervous because they've never sought feedback from Manitobans before making decisions. We won't follow the lead of NDP because we know we're doing what's right by Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Notre Dame, on a final supplementary. MLA Marcelino: Madam Speaker, Manitobans know that this Premier and her PC colleagues don't have their backs.

While everyday Manitobans struggle with increasing bills, they are trying to cut the wages of construction workers. And it's just like this Premier to be so out of touch with working people and with what regular people have to go through. We need a clear commit ment. Will the Premier back off her plans to cut construction workers' wages? Yes or no? Mrs. Guillemard: It's certainly not surprising, but it is very disappointing that the NDP are choosing to fear monger.

There is nothing truthful in what the member has stated, and we look forward to having more con versations with apprentices and front -line workers as we move forward in advancing their needs and paying them respectful wages, which we have always committed to do and we will continue to do so. Care and Safety of Children in Foster Homes Auditor General Recommendations Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): Yesterday, the Auditor General released an update on the progress of a series of audit recom mendations, and it is dismal. Only 10 per cent of recom mendations have been fulfilled; that's a 90 per cent fail rate.

On the manage ment of foster homes, of 112 recommendations, there are 89 outstanding. The AG found that caregivers weren't getting enough to actually support children and that safety –basic safety checks weren't being done in foster homes and elsewhere. That hasn't changed. Why not? Hon.

Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): Well, I think the member would know that our government is radically transforming child welfare and that we did have a good conver sation with the Auditor General, explaining that some of the imple mentation of the recommendations have really changed since we have moved towards a different system with Indigenous governing bodies leading their own child welfare and managing the foster system underneath them. * (14:20) And then, in this year's budget, we a lso did increase the money for author ities through the–their funding agreement.

And that is something that, so far, this member has not supported. And if he's really concerned about the implemen- tation of all those recom mendations, including better governance for foster families, he should support our budget. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Boniface, on a supplementary question. Mr. Lamont: Madam Speaker, over 2,000 children in the custody of CFS were in what's called a place of safety. It's–they're not supposed to be there for more than 30 days but, if there's nowhere else to go, they – that is where they need to be. But they have been spending years there.

The report said to monitor the placement and support children in places of s afety and make sure they are funded like foster homes. That has not happened. The Premier was Families minister after this report, and not one of 28 recom mendations resolved on her watch. Why isn't the care and safety of children in CFS a top priority? Ms. Squires: Madam Speaker, the members opposite will know that, when we formed gov ernment, we knew that we had a major depart ment that needed to be transformed with child welfare.

We had to move away from a system where children were being placed in hotels that was significantly over-utilized under the former government. We also know that children in care rose from 5,000 in 1999, when the NDP took

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 817 office, to 11,000–over 100 per cent increase in the number of children that went in the system. When we formed gov ernment, we made a com - mitment to reducing the number of children in care. We made a commit ment to enhancing the services and the supports that families received, family reunification and transforming the child -welfare system. I hope this member will support the bill that I'd introduced yesterday that will bring– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. Auditor General Follow-up of Recommendations Government Compliance Record Hon.

Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, in two and a half years or more, the govern- ment has failed to implement recommendations from the Auditor General. Vital Statistics: 84 per cent of recom mendations not done, including information security. Quarry rehabilitation: 100 per cent not done, including unproper tendering services. Drinking water: two thirds not done, including the disturbing incompletion of testing and reporting for lead in schools and daycares. Post-secondary education institutions: 100 per cent not done, including making timely board appoint - ments.

Why has the gov ernment been so poor at basic management so that so much has not been properly attended to in a timely basis? Hon. James Teitsma (Minister of Consumer Protection and Government Services): We're– certainly, we sincerely ap preciate the Office of the Auditor General and the work that they do there. We support them in their work, and we appre ciate the recommendations that they take so much time to make. And it's our–the–it's the position of our govern- ment that we will endeavour to follow those recom - mendations.

I will just remind the member, though, that –and even the Auditor General acknowledged this, as well– we've just come through a pandemic. Gov ernment's focus was on getting this province safely through that pandemic and launching the recovery of our province economically. That's where our focus was, that's where it should have been and that's where it continues to be. But we will take a look at all those recom men- dations and implement them. Thank you. Glucose Monitors and Insulin Pumps Expanded Coverage for Diabetics Mr.

Len Isleifson (Brandon East): I know that in my constituency of Brandon East, many individuals living with diabetes c annot live their fullest life without access to the necessary technology and equip- ment. That is why, in 2021, we did what the NDP government failed to do during their tenure, and that was to expand eligibility for advanced glucose monitoring and insul in pumps to all young adults under the age of 25.

I'm wondering–I'm–ask the minister if she could update the House on the added invest ments that this government has made to improve the lives of Manitobans living with both type 1 and type 2 diabetes? Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): Thank you for the question. Madam Speaker, our government recognizes that diabetes is a challenging disease to manage at any age, and that insulin pumps and advanced glucose monitors are critical in making lif e easier for those living with diabetes.

For the first time in Manitoba's history, and as part of Budget 2023, our gov ernment is expanding coverage for advanced glucose monitors and insulin pumps to all eligible Manitobans living with type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Madam Speaker, Manitoba now has the strongest program in Canada, and it's proud to be a leader in our country in provi ding 'diabetic-betes' supplies and coverage. Education System Funding Concerns Minister's Meeting with School Boards Mr. Nello Altomare (Transcona): The Manitoba School Boards–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Altomare: –Association annual convention starts tomorrow.

On the agenda is a meeting between the Education Minister and board chairs. It's clear what the dialogue will be about: the PC chronic underfunding of public education, Madam Speaker. Seven years of underfunding is forcing school divisions across the province to cut programs and staff

818 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 that students rely on. School divisions like Border Land, Hanover, Pembina Trails and Sunrise have all had to endure seven years of this austerity, Madam Speaker. However, it is not too late for the PCs to reverse course. Will the minister do the right thing, and adequately fund Education today? Hon. Wayne Ewasko (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): It gives me a great op- portunity to stand up and put some facts on the record.

And it's unfortunate, Madam Speaker, that my friend, the Educa tion critic from Transcona, stands up and continues to put misinformation on the record. Madam Speaker, $100 million; 6.1 per cent increase. Largest increase in over 25 years to the K-to-12 sector. We are making changes, and funding advancements in the K -to-12 system, some thing far more than the NDP ever, ever did.

And for that, Madam Speaker, I know that the member's having a difficult time, so I'm going to table a chart to show him that the increased funding in edu- cation has increased year after year, and even more under our government. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. The honourable member for Transcona, on a supplementary question. Mr. Altomare: It is clear that the minister doesn't understand the impact of some thing called the cumulative effect.

It's a 'cumutalive' effect of seven years of PC austerity that is forcing school divisions right now to make impossible decisions –which programs to cut, which families to not support and what school divisions need to do next. This is what's happening, Madam Speaker, and he refuses to acknowledge it. And here's the problem: he has to meet with the Manitoba school boards tomorrow. What message is he going to bring to them, and will they finally fully fund public education? Mr. Ewasko: Again, it's unfortunate that this member is just talking from his leader's self-promoting talking points, Madam Speaker.

We on this side of the House have been funding education to more than the rate of inflation since we came into gov ernment in 2016, which is actually 23 per cent increase–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Ewasko: –Madam Speaker; 23 per cent. And I know that the member from Transcona is busy yelling from his seat, which is unbecoming, but it's a 23 per cent increase–$100 million; a 6.1 per cent increase to the K-to-12 sector.

We are working with our education partners, Madam Speaker, unlike the NDP, who sat back, never brought them into the offices –matter in fact, I even brought the critic into my office for a few meetings as well. Madam Speaker: Time for oral questions has expired. PETITIONS SANE Program MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): I wish to present the following petition to the Legis lative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background of this petition is as follows:

(1) The Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner program, SANE, is run out of the Health Sciences Centre in Winnipeg–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. * (14:30) MLA Asagwara: –and provides critical support to sexual assault survivors. The program also helps collect evidence for potential prosecution.

(2) Demand for the SANE program in the province is rising. With 764 sexual assault survivors– [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. MLA Asagwara: –receiving treatment from April 2022 to January 2023, a nearly 50 per cent increase since 2017 and '18.

(3) The SANE program has only one full -time nurse and just over a dozen others who are on call to conduct sexual assault examinations in their off hours.

(4) The prov incial government has failed to increase funding or hire additional staff to support the SANE program, breaking its April 2022 promise to spend $640,000 annually and hire five addi tional nurses and a provincial co-ordinator.

(5) The prov incial gov ernment's refusal to support the SANE program has resulted in severe staffing shortages, leading to at least 14 sexual assault

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 819 survivors being sent home with the instruction not to shower or wipe them selves until the y return and as staff are eventually able to treat them. It has been reported that survivors often don't return, and the number of people being turned away could be significantly higher.

(6) The prov incial government has compounded its failure to provide supports for victims of sexual and gender-based violence by refusing to proclaim a bill passed in 2021 that would hold the provincial govern- ment accountable for providing resources available to child survivors of sexual assault. The bill, sponsored by the MLA for The Pas -Kameesak, is entitled, and I quote, Reporting of Supports for Child Survivors of Sexual Assault Act. End quote.

(7) The SANE program staffing shortage is just one example of how the provincial government's cuts to Manitoba's hea lth-care system and front -line health-care workers, including nurses, is causing Manitobans harm.

(8) Urgent action is needed to immediately fix the SANE program staffing shortages and to ensure that sexual assault survivors are supported with timely access to care. We petition the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the prov incial gov ernment to stop breaking its promises to Manitobans and provide basic and respectful health care for sexual assault survivors in the Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner, SANE, program by ensuring it is properly staffed so that no prosecution of perpetrators of sexual violence is com- promised by the failure to collect evidence.

This petition has been signed by Ashley Slagerman, David Gauthier, Kevin Brown and many Manitobans. Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule 133(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to be received by the House. Bibliothèque Régionale Jolys Regional Library Mr. Nello Altomare (Transcona): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background of this petition is as follows:

(1) The Bibliothèque Régionale Jolys has been served notice by the Red River Valley School Division to vacate the premises currently situated in the auditorium of École Héritage school by March 31 of 2023.

(2) The auditorium was originally built in the 1960s by renowned Manitoba architect Étienne Gaboury, and has been home to JRL for 48 years.

(3) A photo of the auditorium captioned, the regional library, is published in a 2008 document titled, heritage buildings in the RM of De Salaberry and St. Pierre Jolys. It is marked as an im portant modern building that could attain the status of heritage site.

(4) The JRL and Red River Valley School Division have flourished from a mutually beneficial memorandum of understanding for 54 years.

(5) Their shared collection boasts over 50,000 books and has the fourth largest collection of French-language literature in rural Manitoba.

(6) Students that are bused in from the neigh- bouring municipalities that do not have a public library, such as Niverville, Grunthal and Kleefield [phonetic], are provided with free access to the public library and its fourth l argest collection of French books in rural Manitoba during the school year. We petition the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To request the Minister of Labour, Consumer Protection and Gov ernment Services to consider granting the audi torium to the JRL by March 1 of 2023.

(2) To request the Minister of Education to recog- nize the value that JRL provides to the student popu- lation of École Héritage school, as well as the commu- nities of the St. Pierre Jolys and RM of De Salaberry.

(3) To request the Minister of Education and the Minister of Francophone Affairs to recognize that a memorandum of understanding between the Red River Valley School Division and the JRL is mutually, financially, culturally beneficial.

(4) To request the Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage to recog nize the heritage potential of this important building and its status in the com munity; and

(5) To request the Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage to prevent any renovations to the auditorium that w ould destroy and devalue the architectural integrity of this building. This petition is signed by Kelly Tone, Gailene Kletke, Stefan Tone and many more Manitobans.

820 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 Right to Repair Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Manitoba consumers believe products should last longer, be repaired when broken and that planned obsolescence has environmental cons equences that threaten a sustainable future.

(2) In 2021, the European Union set minimum design requirements for many electronic devices with new right to repair legislation.

(3) The Biden administration in the US has formally backed the right to repair in –movement in January 2022, following the European Union lead.

(4) Right to repair enables consumers access to resources needed to fix and modify their products, appliances, including cellphones, washing machines and refrigerators.

(5) Right to repair a lso allows consumers and electronic repairer businesses access to the most recent versions of repair manuals, replacement parts, software and other tools that the manufacturer uses for diagnosing, maintaining or repairing its branded electronic products.

(6) Right to repair further allows consumers to reset an electronic security function of a branded electronic product if the function is disabled during diagnosis, maintenance or repair.

(7) In addition, right to repair ensures manu- facturers replace electronic products at no cost or refund the amount paid by the consumer to purchase the electronic product, where they refuse or are unable to provide manuals or replacement costs. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to adopt right to repair legislation, requiring manufacturers of electronic devices and appliances, including washing machines and fridges and farm machinery, to make information, parts and tools necessary for repairs available to consumers and independent repair shops.

And this petition is signed by many, many Manitobans. Foot-Care Services Mr. Eric Redhead (Thompson): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background of this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes.

(4) The northern regional health author ity, N-R-H-A, previously provided essential medical foot- care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and the surrounding area. * (14:40)

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and the region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications and inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore the essential medical foot-care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1st, 2022. This petition has been signed by Jordon Morris, Leni Queskekapow and Tiffany Ross. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Punjabi Bilingual Programs in Public Schools Mr. Adrien Sala (St.

James): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

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(1) According to census 2021, Punjabi is the fourth most spoken language in Canada and there are 33,315 people in Manitoba whose native language is Punjabi.

(2) Thousands of Punjabi newcomers are coming to Manitoba as students and as immigrants, looking to call this province home. People of Punjabi origin contribute a great deal to the social and economic dev- elopment of Canada and Manitoba in fields such as education, science, health, business and politics.

(3) In coming to Manitoba, Punjabi new comers make sacrifices, including distance from their cultural roots and language. Many Punjabi parents and families want their children to retain their language and keep a continued cultural appreciation.

(4) Manitoba has many good bilingual programs in public schools for children and teens available in other languages, including French, Ukrainian, Ojibwe, Filipino, Cree, Hebrew and Spanish. Punjabi bilingual programs for children and teens, as well as Punjabi language instruction at a college and uni ver- sity level could similarly teach and maintain Punjabi language and culture.

(5) Punjabi bilingual instruction will help cross - cultural friendships, relationships and marriages and prepare young people to be multilingual professionals. We petition the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the pr ovincial government to take steps to implement Punjabi bilingual programs in public schools similar to existing bilingual programs and take steps to implement Punjabi language instruction in other levels of education in Manitoba. This petition has be en signed by Hargian Singh, Hardial Singh and Gurtej Singh. Thank you. SANE Program MLA Nahanni Fontaine (St.

Johns): I wish to present the following petition to the Legis lative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner, SANE, program is run out of the Health Sciences Centre in Winnipeg and provides critical support to sexual assault survivors. The program also helps collect evidence for potential persecution–prosecution.

(2) Demand for the SANE program in the province is rising, with 764 sexual assault survivors receiving treatment from April 2022 to January 2023, a nearly 50 per cent increase since 2017-18.

(3) The SANE program has only one full -time nurse and just over a dozen others who are on call to conduct sexual assault examinations in their off - hours.

(4) The prov incial gov ernment has failed to increase funding or hire additional staff to support the SANE program, breaking its April 2022 promise to spend $640,000 annually and hire five addi tional nurses and a provincial co-ordinator.

(5) The prov incial gov ernment's refusal to support the SANE program has resulted in severe staffing shortages, leading to at least 14 sexual assault survivors being sent home with the instruction to not shower or wipe themselves until they return and staff are eventually available to treat them. It has been reported that survivors often don't return, and the number of people being turned away could be significantly higher.

(6) The prov incial government has compounded its failure to provide support for victims of sexual and gender-based violence by refusing to proclaim a bill passed in 2021 that would hold the provincial govern- ment accountable for providing resources available to child survivors of sexual assault. The bill, sponsored by the MLA for The Pas -Kameesak, is entitled, The Reporting of Supports for Child Survivors of Sexual Assault Act.

(7) The SANE's program staffing shortage is just one example of how the provincial government's cuts to Manitoba's health -care system and front -line health-care workers, including nurses, is causing harm–Manitobans harm.

(8) Urgent action is needed to immediately fix the SANE program staffing shorta ge, and to ensure that sexual assault survivors are supported with timely access to care. We petition the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the prov incial gov ernment to stop breaking its promises to Manitobans and to provide basic and respectful health care for sexual assault survivors through the Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner, SANE, program by ensuring it is properly staffed so

822 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 that no prosecution of perpetrators of sexual violence is compromised by the failure to collect evidence. Signed by many Manitobans. Miigwech. Home-Care Services MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): I wish to present the following petition to the Legis lative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background of this petition is as follows:

(1) Home -care workers in Manitoba provide skilled and com passionate care that helps better the quality of life for thousands of Manitobans.

(2) Robust home -care services are proven to reduce the strain on health services and demand for hospital beds.

(3) Home care reduces the demand for long-term- care beds as it allows people to continue living in their own space.

(4) Studies show that a third of the 200,000 Canadians living in long-term-care homes could stay home with proper home-care support.

(5) Investing in home care saves money, as daily services cost half the price of a long-term-care bed and one seventh of the daily cost of a hospital bed.

(6) The provincial government's cuts to home care in Manitoba has resulted in chronic staffing issues that caused the WRHA to cancel 27,000 home -care ap - pointments in the month of April 2022 alone.

(7) Many clients in Manitoba only receive home- care services once a day,

whereas countries such as Denmark offer up to six visits a day.

(8) Home-care workers in Manitoba are paid poor wages, are offered little benefits, lack sick time and are overworked, resulting in dif ficulty retaining and attracting workers.

(9) Home -care workers have been without a contract since 2017, due to this prov incial govern- ment's interference in labour negotiations.

(10) Investing in home care is a proactive approach that would save the Province millions of dollars as well as allow more Manitobans to age in place. We petition the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the Minister of Health and the Minister of Seniors and Long- Term Care to imme diately increase invest ment in home -care services so that home-care workers can be paid a fair wage and clients can receive the level of service they require. This has been signed by Sudha Sharma, Evelyn Teano, Antonietta Alag, and many other Manitobans. * (14:50) Health-Care Coverage Mr. Jamie Moses (St.

Vital): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legislative of Manitoba, the background for this petition is as follows:

(1) Health care is a basic human right and a fundamental part of responsible public health. Many people in Manitoba are not covered by provincial health care: migrant workers with work permits of less than one year, international students and those undocumented residents who have lost their status for a variety of reasons.

(2) Racialized people and communities are disproportionately affected by the pandemic, mainly due to the social and economic conditions which leave them vulnerable while performing essential work in a variety of industries in Manitoba.

(3) Without adequate health- care coverage, if they are ill, many of the uninsured will avoid seeking health care due to fear of being charged for the care, and some will fear possible detention and deportation if their immigration status is reported to the authorities.

(4) According to the United Nations Human Rights Committee, denying essential health care to undocumented irregular migrants is a violation of their rights.

(5) Jurisdictions across Canada and the world have adopted access -without-fear policies to prevent sharing personal health information or immigration status with immigration authorities and to give uninsured residents the confidence to access health care.

(6) The pandemic has clearly identified the need for everyone in Manitoba to have access to health care to protect the health and safety of all who live in the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

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(1) To urge the provincial government to immediately provide comprehensive and free health - care coverage to all residents of Manitoba, regardless of immigration status, including refugee claimants, migrant workers, international students, depende nt children of temporary residents and undocumented residents.

(2) To urge the minister of Health and seniors care to undertake a multilingual communication campaign to provide information on expanded coverage to all affected residents.

(3) To urge the minister of Health and seniors care to inform all health-care institutions and providers of expanded coverage for those without health insurance and the details on how necessary policy and protocol changes will be implemented.

(4) To urge the minister of Health and seniors care to create and enforce strict confidentiality policies and provide staff with training to protect the safety of residents with precarious immigration status and ensure that they can access health care without jeopardizing their ability to remain in Canada. And this petition has been signed by many Manitobans. Madam Speaker: Grievances? ORDERS OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Government House Leader): Could you please call for second reading debate, Bill 14, The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023.

If it passes –or, if it passes at second reading, please then call Bill 14 for Committee of the Whole. If Committee of the Whole is complete, would you please call Bill 14 for a third reading. Madam Speaker: It has been announced that the House will consider second reading of Bill 14 this afternoon, and if it passes second reading, the –it is indicated that we will move to Commit tee of the Whole, and if that passes, we will be calling concurrence and third reading.

SECOND READINGS Bill 14–The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023 Madam Speaker: So, I will now call second reading of Bill 14, The Budget Imple mentation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023. Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Finance): I move, seconded by the Minister of Seniors and Long- Term Care (Mr. Johnston), that Bill 14, The Budget Imple- mentation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023, be now read a second time and be referred to a committee of this House. Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor has been advised of the bill, and I table the message.

Madam Speaker: It has been moved by the honour - able Minister of Finance, seconded by the honourable Minister of Seniors and Long-Term Care, that Bill 14, The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amend- ment Act, 2023, be now read a second time, and be referred to a Committee of this House. Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor has been advised of the bill, and the message is tabled. Mr. Cullen: I'm pleased to rise to provide some comments on Bill 14, The Budget Imple mentation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023.

This will implement tax statutes and administrative changes as part of Budget 2023, as well as some addi tional priority legislation. This bill implements historic tax measures to lower taxes for Manitobans and busi nesses, which makes our economy stronger and more resilient. Madam Speaker, this bill will implement the largest personal income tax reduction in Manitoba history, providing much- needed assist ance to all Manitoba taxpayers, each and every year moving forward. Mr.

Dennis Smook, Acting Speaker, in the Chair This includes the historic increases in the basic personal amount and personal income tax bracket thresholds. By increasing the basic personal amount to $15,000, Manitoba taxpayers will save $311 million in 2023 and 47,400 ad ditional low-income taxpayers will be removed from the tax rolls. Since we formed gov ernment in 2016, this number is 74,000, which is roughly 10 per cent of all taxpayers in Manitoba. This will provide savings of up to $524 for an individual or over $1,000 for a two- income family, compared to 2022.

By increasing our tax- bracket thresholds to $47,000 and $100,000, taxpayers will benefit from an additional tax savings of $160 million in the 2024 tax year. As a result of the changes to the basic personal amount and tax brackets combined, taxpayers will see up–will save up to an additional $1,399 in 2024.

824 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 For a taxpayer with an incom e of $30,000, the changes included in this bill will reduce the amount of Manitoba income tax they owe by 23 per cent next year. These changes also make a significant improve- ment in the competiveness of our personal income tax system compared to other provinces. Our basic personal amount, for example, will go from among the lowest in the country to fourth highest, and will match the federal amount, meaning Manitobans will not pay a cent of income tax on the first $15,000 they earn.

Regarding the ca rbon tax relief tax credit provisions contained in the bill, these provisions will treat payments currently being made to Manitobans under the carbon tax relief fund announced in January, as a refundable tax credit under our income tax act. This will ens ure the payments are not taxable income and do not impact recipients' eligibility for other prov incial or federal income -tested benefits.

I am pleased to announce that of the nearly 700,000 cheques totalling $200 million, today more than half of the cheques have been mailed, and we are on track to have completed mailing cheques to all eligible Manitobans before the end of March. On the business side, for the fourth year in a row, we are increasing the thresholds under the health and post-secondary education tax 'lery' in 2024, which will save Manitoba busi nesses $9 million next year and exempt another 150 businesses from having to pay the tax. * (15:00) Mr.

Deputy Speaker, the tax measures introduced in Budget 2023 were identified as priority areas for improvement for Manitoba's tax system by the Premier's Economic Advisory Council on Competitiveness and supported by the tax competi - tiveness working group. And I would like to thank the members of the council and working group for the ir valuable advice. However, we know we have even more work to do, and I look forward, as Chair, to continuing discussions with the working group about further im- provements to both our personal and business taxes to improve our competitiveness and grow our economy.

The payroll tax is often identified as a disincentive to hiring more Manitobans. I am pleased that in Budget 2023, we have signalled the first reduction of this tax rate in 24–25 years starting in 2024, provided our financial performance all ows for it. I look forward to our government confirming any rate reduction later this year.

Other features of the bill include: expanding eligibility for the Interactive Digital Media Tax Credit to allow for more flexible forms of employee compen- sation and incentives as eligible labour expenditures, which better aligns the credit with current industry practices; making the Mineral Exploration Tax Credit permanent, along with im portant amendments to ensure continued eligibility for critical minerals for which Manitoba has been endowed with deposits and which have attracted the attention of inter national mining and other companies; making the Green Energy Equipment Tax Credit, which supports geothermal and solar panel installations in Manitoba and will expire on July 1st, permanent; increasing the exemption threshold for the Health and Post - Secondary Education Tax Levy, the payroll tax, from $2 million to $2.25 million and increasing the threshold below which the lower effective rate applies from $4 million to $4.5 million; and, Mr.

Acting Speaker, extending the tax refund limit period to match the audit period for prov incially administered tax refunds resulting from an audit, replacing a discretionary author ity with an automatic refund requirement.

Other priority pieces of the legis lation–the bill include: clarifying that Treasury Board approval is required prior to Cabinet approval for supplementary loans, which provides authority for loans that exceed loan authority approved in the annual budget, such as those provided during the COVID -19 pandemic and as provided in The Financial Administration Act; setting out a new legal framework for services to be shared between depart ments in a non- financial context, such as staff in one de partment p roviding services to more than one department and reporting to more than one minister.

Examples of the adminis tra- tive efficiencies to be found within non- financial services include IT services, communication services and policy development resources. Bill 14 also provides expanded funding authority to flow grants to other reporting entities in the broader government to ensure that we are more success ful in creating much -needed child -care spaces. Manitoba has entered into a bilateral agreement with Canada to expand the early learning and child- care sector by 23,000 spaces by 2026.

In order to achieve this commitment, Manitoba is expanding its capital program to include Indigenous organizations, municipalities, public post -secondary

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 825 institutions and other public sector organi zations alongside the existing child-care capital partnerships, the school divisions and community-based non-profit organizations. The changes in this bill show our continued commitment to helping all Manito bans with higher costs and making Manitoba a more competitive place to live and do busi ness. Over the last 12 months, Manitoba's economy has outperformed expect ations, and we are re-investing every cent of new revenues to support people across this gr eat province.

This includes tax breaks, school tax rebates and Carbon Tax Relief Fund cheques. That is more than $5,500 in pockets of the average family, while deficit reduction stays on track. It is imperative that BITSA 2023 passes without delay. This will ensure that critical supports begin to become available to Manitobans as soon as possible, including the savings from the 2023 basic personal amount increase starting to increase the amount of take-home pay for Manitobans' paycheques as of this July. This concludes my comments on The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2023. Thank you.

Questions The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): A question period of up to 15 minutes will be held. Questions may be addressed to the minister by any member in the following sequence: first question by the official op - position critic or designate; subsequent questions asked by critics or designates from other recognized opposition parties; subsequent questions asked by each independent member; remaining questions asked by any op position members. And no questions or answers shall exceed 45 seconds. Mr. Adrien Sala (St.

James): I'd like to ask the minister: What is the basis for the change to The Executive Government Organization Act? How can two departments share communication services? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Finance): I will say to the member opposite that in a number of situations, we have shared resources within–across departments. We see this on the IT front. We also see it on some of the financial services. You may have one person acting as the financial officer for possibly two of the smaller departments within government. Hon.

Jon Gerrard (River Heights): It's my under- standing that the income tax changes would not have an impact on individuals whose income is so low they're not currently paying income tax. How many people would, in Manitoba, not currently pay income tax because their income is low? Mr. Cullen: I ap preciate t hat question from the member opposite. So, our intent is to move our basic personal amount where people –the threshold where people will start paying income tax in Manitoba. Right now it would be less than $11,000, moving that to $15,000.

That change alone in this year would take 47,000 low -income Manitobans off of paying tax completely. With the changes that we've made over the last number of years in terms of indexing that threshold, this brings a total of over 74,000 Manitobans that no longer pay provincial income tax. Mr. Sala: The minister described that there are already currently some sharing of services between departments. He referenced a couple examples. I just would hope that he would explain why these changes are needed if this is already b eing done in government. Mr.

Cullen: Yes, I would say to the member opposite this is activities that have been going on within gov - ernment for a long time now. This statute just allows that to formally take place. We're acknowl edging, through this legis lation, what has actually been happening in practice for, quite frankly, for decades. Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): I was wondering, there was a question here about the tax changes.

It seems to me–has the Minister of Finance done any sort of ana lysis of distribution, which is to say, you know, it's one thing to talk about an average, but the reality is that somebody at the bottom of the income scale will save a little bit on their income tax breaks, while people at the very top will be getting a lot more. Is there a breakdown available of the, you know, who's getting the bulk based on income scale? * (15:10) Mr. Cullen: Yes, thank you, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, for that, and we have done some analysis in terms of who benefits the most and who bene fits the most on a percentage basis, based on a couple of different levels of income. And I will say that the biggest proportion

826 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 of savings go to those individuals that are at the lowest end of the spectrum. And I believe an income earner– The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The honour- able minister's time has expired. Mr. Sala: I'd like to ask the minister: Would changes to The Executive Government Organization Act apply to government agencies like Shared Health? Mr. Cullen: You know, I'll have to take that question under advisement from the member.

I will say, in reference to his previous question, that an income earner making $30,000 will see savings on the indexing of 23 per cent of their income, those making $50,000 will save 14 per cent–or see a 14 per cent reduction on their taxable income, those making $100,000 will only see a net savings of 9 per cent. So clearly, those making a lower income will have the bay –the best, largest percentage of savings on their income tax. Mr. Sala: I'll just re -ask the question there that I posed: Would changes to The Executive Gov ern- ment Organization Act apply to government agencies like Shared Health? Mr.

Cullen: I advised that the member opposite that I will take that under advisement and wi ll get that information to him. Mr. Sala: There are interdepartmental working groups that currently exist, for example, a cross -de- partmental group between Manitoba Justice and families regarding the child -welfare system. That particular initiative was announced several years ago. What was the legal basis for their work and how would the government's proposed change impact that work? Mr. Cullen: I will take the member's question under advisement. He's fishing. Mr.

Sala: It's a little con cerning that the minister responsible for this bill doesn't have some answers to some pretty basic questions here. They keep going: Why is gov ernment requiring Treasury Board to recommend loan authority? Previously Cabinet solely had this power. Why is another committee of Cabinet required to recommend such a change? Mr. Cullen: Again, a word back on the member's previous question. The answer is no. Shared services applies to departments only, does not apply to entities such as he referenced before.

In terms of the –now, the ability of the Treasury Board to review loan –possible loans to agencies, organizations, we thought it was a proper thing to have oversight to the–by the Treasury Board and then a subsequent recommendation made to Cabinet. Mr. Sala: What happens if Treasury Board does not recommend a supple mentary loan author ity? Can Cabinet still authorize a loan? Mr. Cullen: I would suggest that in any situation, you know, Cabinet has the ultimate author ity to make decisions. Not just financial decisions, but other policy directive decisions as well. So, ultimately, Cabinet would have that say.

Certainly, Cabinet, in our case, at least, Cabinet would listen to the experts and the recom mendations coming from Treasury Board. That's why we have a Treasury Board, so we have members dedi cated and experts dedi cated to doing analysis on situations as they arise. Mr. Sala: BITSA comes into force on royal assent. Does that mean all provisions in the bill come into force when this bill receives royal assent? Mr. Cullen: That is the intent, yes. Mr. Sala: That was brief.

What analysis has the department done regarding the amounts of money that employees will see –the increase, we guess –regarding changes to the basic personal exemption changes? Can you share that analysis? Mr. Cullen: Yes, certainly our budget documents do provide some analysis and breakdown on that and I'm–if the member wants additional breakdown that's over and above what's included in the documentation that we have made public, we can certainly endeavour to do that. Clearly, by increasing the basic personal amount, Manitobans can reap savings in this year up to $524, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

We are hoping that we can signal to the federal government by the end of April that we are going to be making these changes and increasing the basic personal amount. If we do that, taxpayers can start seeing reductions on their bill –sorry, on their paycheque– The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The honour- able minister's time has expired.

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 827 Mr. Sala: I'd like to ask the minister just to provide some clarity to the House how they went about selecting the new bracket levels. Were they inspired by another jurisdiction? Where did they come from? And–hoping he can offer some clarity on that. Mr. Cullen: Yes, the basic personal amounts or basic personal exemption was top of mind for many people that we spoke to and listened to, whether it be our tax competitiveness group, the Premier's (Mrs. Stefanson) economic advisor on tax competi - tiveness. Clearly, we are losing people to out -migration.

We as a province have to be competitive and retain and attract people here in Manitoba, and certainly this was one thing where we were out of line. We were probably second last in terms of the basic personal amount. We've aligned our threshold with what – where the federal government starts taxing Canadians, quite frankly, across the country. So this is certainly a bold step, but gets us more in line with other jurisdic- tions– The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The honour- able minister's time has expired. Mr.

Sala: I'm hoping the minister can share whether or not he has any concerns about the dis tribution of the tax benefits that will come from the–this bill. Mr. Cullen: Yes, I would say to the member opposite, first and foremost this is–that benefits the most is the low-income earners in Manitoba. As I stated earlier, this increase in the threshold will take 47,000 Manitobans right off the tax rolls and will not play tax at all. The thresholds that we have increased over the last number of years has taken 74,000 Manitobans off of the tax rolls altogether.

A person making $30,000 will realize a tax savings of 23 per cent just by this particular reduction as well. Those making $40,000– The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): The honour- able minister's time has expired. Debate The Acting Speaker (Dennis Smook): Hearing no further questions, the floor is now open for debate. Mr. Adrien Sala (St.

James): After seven years of making devastating cuts to every single corner of government–health care, edu cation, municipalities and, as I said, every corner–the PCs brought forward a budget, of course, last week with a lot of very big promises focused on tr ying to convince Manitobans that they've changed. And unfor tunately, of course, we know that Manitobans know they can't trust this gov ernment. They know they can't trust this government to fix the problems that they created or to follow through on commitments made.

Got a long, long list of broken commitments from this government. * (15:20) We also know that in this budget, the PCs also proposed a number of tax changes, and those tax changes are outlined, of course, in this BITSA bill that we're here to debate today. Those changes are being billed as affordability relief, as we heard from the minister, and of course, we do know that Manitobans are in desperate need of relief right now. And that's especially true over these last several years, w here we've seen huge spikes in inflation and gas costs and food costs.

And of course, it's especially true because we know that this govern- ment has made life much more expensive for Manitobans. Whether it's raising hydro rates or failing to take action o n our skyrocketing rents, they have made life much more expensive. So people are des perately in need of help right now. That's true; we know that. But as we know with this gov ernment and with the PCs, any time tax changes are proposed, you need to read the fine print. Because we know with this gov ernment, when tax changes are proposed, there will usually be serious tax fairness considerations that need to be explored.

And what's contained in this bill and the proposals it brings forward, it's no different. There are some serious tax fairness concerns here, and I look forward to exploring those in today's debate.

I do want to start just by saying, at a high level, that I do think it's incredibly important that we do have a strong debate on thi s proposed bill, because the changes that are being proposed in this BITSA are likely to have deep and long- lasting impacts on our provincial government's ability to pay for the things that Manitobans need, to pay for the costs of investing in health care, and ultimately, of digging ourselves out of the hole that this government has created for us here in Manitoba.

A $490-million combined spend on the tax cuts– we look at the bracket changes and the changes to the basic personal exemption–is a lot of m oney to spend right now. And, of course, it's clear Manitobans want us to be digging into this proposal because they expect that their gov ernment will behave in a manner that is fiscally respon sible and that looks out for their

828 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 interests over the long term. So we do need to consider the proposed revenue losses that will come from the potential passing of this bill. Of course, we know that we can't just consider the revenue losses that would stem from the passing of this bill. We also have to consider the other additional tax changes that this government has brought forward, and spe cifically we can point to the education property tax changes that are going to result in an ad- ditional $500 million of expenditures once we get to that 50 per cent number.

So, we're talking about, you know, a billion dollars or so here of expenditures at a time when our province faces genuine, signi ficant financial risks. We're in a financially risk -laden environment right now. So we have to be concerned about t he provincial purse, and there are really im portant questions to be asked. So, that's what we're here to do today, of course, and hopefully we'll give oppor tunities to Manitobans to get a sense of why there are some serious concerns with these change s that are being proposed.

So, this BITSA bill does propose a number of changes, many of which we've just discussed in that question-and-answer period. But I'm going to really focus on two of the key changes that are brought forward in the bill because they are the most con se- quential going forward for our province and will have the biggest impact on our ability to raise revenue. The first one is the change to the basic personal allowance and the bracket changes. So those are–that's one package of changes I do want to look at. And, of course, the other are the proposed changes to the health and post -secondary education levy.

But I do want to start by taking a closer look at the proposed changes to the basic personal exemption and the bracket changes. So, we know that, of course, this bill does propose changes to that exemption; we're proposing to raise it to $15,000. That change is booked to happen this year; it would happen as soon as this bill receives royal assent. And there are some proposed chan ges to tax brackets, of course, which would come into effect next year.

We can see that the gov ernment is proposing to raise–we're going to maintain three brackets, but we're going to move from $36,842 to $47,000 as our first bracket, and then from $47,000 to $100,000 as our second bracket, and that's moving us from the bracket of thirty -six-thousand-eight-forty-two to seventy-nine-six-twenty-five. So, a significant increase and change there. And then, of course, the last one is now over $100,000. So they are bringing forward a bunch of these proposed changes.

Now, the government is arguing that these proposed changes will provided–will provide some needed tax relief for Manitobans, and we do know that these changes will provide some small benefits to Manitobans. But there are im portant questions that need to be asked here, as we've mentioned, about fairness. And to do that, it's useful to look at some of the ways that these benefits are going to be distributed to Manitobans at different income levels. So, to help do that, we can look at some analysis that was recently performed by David Macdonald.

He's an economist with the CCPA and his analysis was recently published by the CCPA Manitoba in a recent post that they put out. And in looking at that analysis, it's clear that we can see some serious concerns relating to tax fairness right off the top. And the first thing that his analysis suggests, and it jumps right off the page, is the significant disparity between the impacts on the lowest income earners and on high-income earners in Manitoba, and the benefits that they'll receive from the proposed changes.

Top income earners will receive, should this bill pass, a grand total of 26 per cent of all of the tax benefits stemming from the passing of t his bill. That's a total of approximately $130 million in savings for the top 10 per cent, for the very wealthiest people in this province. And the bottom 20 per cent, Mr. Speaker, the bottom 20 per cent will receive 1 per cent of the total tax benefits co ming from this bill. That's a shocking disparity. So, again, top 10 per cent, 26 per cent of all the benefits; the bottom 20 per cent are going to get 1 per cent of those benefits stemming from these changes.

Now, of course, part of that is because the lowest income earners in the province aren't going to benefit a lot from these changes because they're already in receipt of other tax credits that prevent them from being able to benefit further from the proposed changes in this bill. Now, the disparity doesn't just exist between the top 10 per cent and the very bottom. There's also significant disparity in the benefits that are going to be gained by high -income earners and middle - income earners, middle Manitoba; nurses, construc - tion workers, regular, everyday Manitobans.

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 829 And we can see that the analysis in that CCPA that was done by David Macdonald shows that the top 10 per cent of income earners are going to be in receipt of tax benefits more than the –more–sorry–it shows that the top 10 per cent are going to get more in tax benefits than the bottom 50 per cent of all income earners combined. So the top 10 per cent are going to get more than the bottom 50 per cent combined.

And we can also see in the analysis that middle - income Manitobans –and again, we're talking about working folks here in this province–who stand to get about $500 a year from these proposed changes once everything is booked in and enacted, they're going to get $500, but top income earners are going to receive more than double that. So if you're a regular Manitoban, you're going to get a small amount of help, maybe about 50 bucks a month if you break it down on a monthly basis. But if you're a top income earner in this province, you're going to get more than double what that middle - income earner gets.

There are some very real concerns with that, and I know that many Manitobans, when we've spoken to people and I've spoken to people in my com munity, they're worried about what that means and the impacts that that will have on the prov ince long- term, but they're also concerned to see that this government's so brazenly giving away so much more to the very wealthiest people in this province. In another important point that needs to be drawn out here is that there is no cap here. There's no cap to these benefits that are being provided.

So, Brian Pallister, who we know did quite well with the educa- tion property tax changes that he brought in for himself and for others in his income bracket, he's going to benefit from these changes. You know, other folks who are living in fairly large homes on Wellington Crescent are going to benefit from this. Our current Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) is going to benefit from these tax changes, who–and we know she's lost $31 million in the couch and probably isn't in great need of additional tax cuts from this gov ern- ment, but that's what they're offering. * (15:30) There is no cap.

The wealthiest people in this province are also going to receive dollars from these changes. I think there are some very important questions that we need to be asking about why we would be giving those benefits to folks at that income level. Now, we know that, without question, that we're going to see some benefits, of course, for middle - income families. And they do need some benefits and they are drowning in costs. But it's important that we point out that the bill that's been brought forward here, in the way that it ends up distributing those benefits, should be viewed as a poisoned pill.

It should be viewed as a poisoned pill because in order to get relief to families, as being–as is being proposed here, those families need to be willing to accept this government's continued under-funding of the services that they rely on. Because ultimately, if we're no longer col lecting those revenues from the wealthiest people in this province, and we're offering them this tax giveaway, that will result in continued cuts to the services that Manitobans rely on. It will result in continued cuts to health care, to edu cation and to municipalities. And that's a serious concern.

And it also has to be recognized that when we're removing that taxation from the various –very wealthiest people in this province, that at the end of the day, over time, those funds, those reve nues that we're losing and not–no longer collecting from them, will need to be made up at some point. That bill will come due. We still will have ongoing costs. We do need to continue to make –increase invest ments in health care, and, of course, across gov ernment, after many years of this government putting us in the hole.

But at the end of the day, taking away those reve- nues and losing those reve nues from those very –the very wealthiest Manitobans will mean that lower income Manitobans, middle-income Manitobans will need to make up the difference over time. That money will have to come from somewhere, and ultimately, they are going to have to shoulder that burden over time because of this government's proposal. I want to shift, now, just to talk briefly about the payroll changes that are being proposed here. These are the changes to the Health and Post - Secondary Education Tax Levy.

We know that that raises the exemption threshold for remuneration from $2 million to 2.25. That continues the trend that we've seen from this gov ernment in raising that. And in addition, the threshold below which businesses pay a reduced effective rate will be raised from $4 million to $4.5 million. Now, the core question I think we need to be asking here is, why is this gov ernment proposing tax changes, tax savings for big busi nesses in Manitoba when small busi nesses are receiving no ad ditional

830 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 supports? And I think that question is incred ibly im- portant right now in the context of our post -COVID situation. We know that businesses–small businesses across the province got –were absolutely hammered through COVID, and they saw their sales tank. Many of them took on a lot more debt to try to get through to the other side of the pandemic. And they were forced to do that, be cause this gov ernment didn't provide them with supports. This gov ernment wasn't there for small busi - nesses when they needed help. And we heard that.

I know that my colleagues heard that from small busi- nesses throughout our com munities. We heard t hat from the CFIB, who them selves throughout the pandemic were talking about how small busi nesses just simply were not getting the help that they need. So that, you know, those concerns–that failure to help small busi nesses, that left them in a very di fficult position. And, of course, here we see the government bringing forward proposed benefits for larger busi - nesses in this province, but leaving small busi nesses out–without that help.

And, apparently, they're continuing to go forward without any thought to supporting small businesses, to helping them to get back on their feet so we can ensure that they can continue to do their im portant work of creating jobs in our com munities and offering those important services that we rely on in our various com- munities across the province. So the question is, why isn't the gov ernment helping them? Why are larger busi nesses with 30 to 40 employees being given this gift, when small busi - nesses are the backbone of our prov incial economy? That's an important question. Why are they being left out?

I think it also bears mentioning that the carrot that the gov ernment has included in this bill, related to potential future changes to the–to this levy, that what they're proposing lacks transparency. We can see that there's no clarity around when or why they would actually go forward with reducing that tax levy. They've said in the bill–or, it says in the bill that if revenues are positive, or if the condi tions are generally favourable that they'll do that. But that's lacking in trans parency. There's a lot of im portant questions that we should be asking here.

Will they be decreasing that levy if we continue to be in a deficit position? What constitutes a positive revenue situation? What constitute s a state in which they would actually proceed with that? We have no idea and, unfortunately, the bill does not spell that out and this government has failed to speak to that. There are some top-level concerns that I want to touch on here relating to t he proposed $490- million spend, the first of which is the wisdom of proposing tax cuts when we're in a deficit situation. We know that we need to, because we are in a deficit situation, deficit finance any proposed tax cuts.

And so, ultimately, in our current environment, where we are in a deficit, effectively, what the gov ernment is proposing with these changes is that they will pay interest on tax cuts, which, as we've outlined, will dis- proportionately benefit the wealthiest people in the province. It's the same thing that happened with the educa- tion property tax cut, which we know resulted in us sending cheques to out -of-province millionaires; million-dollar cheques to Cadillac Fairview. We had to borrow money to pay the costs of sending those cheques out.

The gov ernment likes to think of –they like to think of themselves as fiscal hawks, but I think there's good reason to wonder whether or not that's an accurate claim, given they are continuously finding ways of having us–and pay interest and paying more and more interest. That's a significant concern. So we do need to question the wisdom of moving forward with deficit- financed tax cuts.

And we've already seen –the Province has seen two credit downgrades as a result of their fiscal irresponsibility and their failure to monitor the books and to do what's best for our provincial purse, and that's increasing the cost of our borrowing. That's a real concern right now. Another major top-line issue that I want to discuss here is the wisdom of looking at booking in $500 million worth of tax cuts–again, which will dis- proportionately benefit the wealthiest people in this province–when we're in the hole we're in right now, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

We are, of course, far, far behind the levels of investment that we need to be seeing in de partments across government. We know that even in the budget proposals that they brought forward in health care, there–a vast number of areas that the proposals they brought forward will not bring us up to where we need to be after you consider inflation. We're in a deep, deep hole. And so, the wisdom of pursuing, you know, again, more large tax cuts at a time when we have a significant need to make major invest ments going forward is questionable, and we haven' t heard this

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 831 government made a good case yet as to why this isn't a significant risk, why we should believe that we can continue to do what we need to do after booking in what they're proposing here in terms of these revenue losses. And the third top-line thing I really want to touch on here is that they're proposing these tax changes at a time when we're dealing with a sig nificant risk of seeing revenues drop in the next couple years here in Manitoba. We don't know what's coming. An Honourable Member: Even one year. Mr.

Sala: We don't know–as my colleague has said, from Elmwood, even in the next year, we don't know what's coming. We do know that we're currently in receipt of bonanza revenues from the federal government, many of which are stemming from equalization payments that are driven by record oil prices that are, you know, being buoyed in Alberta, of course, by the war across the sea; that's driving big equalization payment increases.

We're seeing potentially temporary revenue increases for government overall due to inflation and we know that that is driving increases in gov ernment revenues that could themselves be temporary. And, of course, the gov ernment's purse this year is going to be buoyed by record profits from Manitoba Hydro–record profits that, I should add, are being driven by Hydro investments made by previous NDP government. But those record profits from Hydro are themselves, as we know, at risk of going up and down, depending on the amount of water that flows through our dams.

There is significant risk that those huge amounts of money that are flowing into our provincial Treasury this year are temporary, that they're time limited. So, we need to be very, very concerned about the potential for looking at these types of sig nificant reductions in revenue. And, of course, again, we know that middle- income and low -income Manitobans do need that help, but we can see that these proposed tax changes book in huge benefits for the wealthiest people in this province. And there are very serious questions to be asked about the wisdom of doing that at a time when we face so much fiscal risk, Mr.

Deputy Speaker. * (15:40) We know that people in this province need help, as I've said multiple times. And, of cour se, this proposes a means of doing that, but it's coming seven months away from an election. It's coming seven months from an election. It has to be said that this gov- ernment has had years –many, many years to take action on our affordability crisis. In fact, not only have they failed to take action on the affordability crisis; we know, of course, that they've made our affordability crisis much, much worse.

They've done that through doing every thing they can to raise hydro rates as quickly as possible. They brought forward a bill –bill 36–which was passed, that ultimately sought to jack hydro rates up as quickly as possible. It set unachievably high financial targets for Hydro that forced them to set rates as high as they possibly could, and we're seeing Manitobans are going to be paying the price for that. Instead of working to freeze hydro rates as we've committed, they passed legis lation that worked to make them go up as fast as possible, making life less affordable.

We see rent increases that cont inue to sky - rocket on Manitobans, above-guideline increases that continue to skyrocket because this gov ernment refuses to take action to fix that issue. We, on this side of the House, brought forward a solution. We brought forward a bill that would have put a stop to that issue. This government refused to act. They've allowed rents to continue to skyrocket. We know that they've failed in countless other ways to raise costs on Manitobans, but another way that they've raised costs on Manitobans is through their cuts. Their cuts, over the last many years, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, to edu cation, to munici palities, to post -secondary, have cost Manitobans more money, as well. On municipalities, we know that their cuts to municipalities are forcing munici palities to raise tax rates so that they can do what citizens need to have done in our communities. We know that in post -secondary, their cuts to post-secondary resulting in, again, more increases for tuition. Manitoban students are carrying the costs of their cuts. And we know that if we look at education, this government's cuts over many, many years to our edu- cation system has made life more expensive for parents.

Where their kids may have previously gotten that band instrument provided to them, now they're being forced to pay for. Where parents used to maybe

832 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 15, 2023 have that field trip be paid for through the division, they're now covering the cost of that. So, their cuts have also cost Manitobans more money in a number of areas, and those are just a f ew examples. All this to say, the government has had an incred- ibly long time to act to show that they care. To show that they care about the affordability challenges that people are facing. And–but bringing forward these tax changes seven months from an election isn't going to convince Manitobans that they care. It's not.

And, in fact, bringing forward these types of proposals only seven months before an election, along with the various promises that they brought forward in their budget shows Manitobans just how desperate they are and it shows Manitobans that it's not about them. It's not about Manitobans and what's best for them. It's about their political futures. That's what these changes are about. Manitobans deserve better gov ernment. They deserve a gov ernment that actually cares about improving affordability in this province, that proves that they care about affordability.

And they deserve a government that they can trust, that they can believe in. And, unfor tunately, Manitobans cannot t rust this PC government. Thank you very much. Hon. Scott Johnston (Minister of Seniors and Long-Term Care): Thank you, Mr. Acting –excuse me–Speaker. I am certainly pleased to further speak to this bill, supporting this monumental budget expendi- ture. Excuse me. I wish to focus, Mr. Acting Speaker, on the expenditures and the budget that –this monumental budget does to support the seniors of Manitoba. We received many responses that helped us shape our seniors strategy, Mr.

Acting Speaker, and I certainly enjoyed getting out across this province to speak to the many people of Manitoba, and certainly all of the seniors that were consulting with us as we travelled. Whether it be through the surveys, whether it be through the stake holders, whether it be touring the facilities that house seniors across this great province, most importantly, we had the opportunity to actually sit down and talk to people, to hear what they had to say.

And, certainly, affordability was a very signi fi- cant component of the discussions that we have, and this expenditure, this budget, certainly addresses that to help the seniors of Manitoba. Madam Speaker, our government has been able to construct a highly com prehensive senior strategy, which will certainly brin g results to Manitoba. As a matter of fact, it already has. This historic budget has made it clear that seniors are the top of our gov ern- ment's mind.

Our gov ernment recognizes that not only do seniors have needs for support for care, they also have needs for support for affordability, and that's what these expenditures within this budget do.

It recognizes the need to enhance care for seniors, and not only are we doing that right now, based on the expenditures that we put forward in the Stevenson report, as well as the initial senior strategies expenditure, which, as I mentioned, the Stevenson report was an expenditure of $32 million, and that, certainly, is addressing needs of affordability for individuals, and the safety of individuals, Madam Speaker –or, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Our gov ernment is certainly committed by these initiatives to continuing to fulfill the needs of our seniors. As Minister of Long -Term Care, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I recognize that, and our de partment recog- nize–and I've em phasized this before –we have a situation in all of society, and, certainly, Manitoba is part of that, is the expansion of the baby boomers now hitting the demographic of seniors, and it's a very sig- nificant situation, and this didn't come by just now. The previous government had 17 years to develop a plan to start addressing this, and frankly, I haven't seen an NDP plan in regards to seniors, and I've looked high and low for it. But we do have a plan; we do have expenditures in place.

We are going to address the care of seniors, and we're going to address the financial needs of seniors. You know, Madam Speaker –or, Mr. Deputy Speaker, you know, when I was a young man growing up in St. James, I went to a school called Linwood School, and at that time, t he population, the increase in my demographic, was absolutely phenomenal. And we actually had kids that had to go in the classroom, that had desks set up in the classrooms because of that demographic.

And it just is so apparent that when that demographic comes–is coming forward now and is entering the realm of the baby boom and the seniors, it's very apparent that the plan that we

March 15, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 833 have and the seniors initiatives that we're taking are going to be beneficial to not only the seniors that are becoming seniors, but the existing seniors that are there. Madam Speaker, I can't tell you how proud of – I am of my de partment. They're made up of very passionate people; people who understand the needs of seniors; people who understand the needs of those individuals who are in personal -care homes, who are utilizing home care; the people that are, you know, struggling sometimes to make ends meet. And we recognize that.

And that's one of the reasons that that tax-free $15,000 that this budget implements is a real benefit to low-income and middle-income seniors. So I can't tell you how supportive I am of that initiative. * (15:50) Madam Speaker, I would like to–oh, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I would like to address some of the initiatives that our government has put forward in regards to the seniors strategy.

And I can't emphasize them enough, because I am extremely proud of them as the minister: $450,000 to accelerate the ability for Habitat for Humanity to modify and help low -income seniors to be able to ensur e that they can stay in their homes longer. Mr. Deputy Speaker, $100,000 is a massive support, because we recog nize that seniors are a diversified group and $100,000 to support the Rainbow Resource Centre to ensure that the rainbow program continues to flourish within the seniors area is some thing that we're proud of and we're very pleased for this expenditure to go through as we pass this budget.

Madam–or, Mr. Deputy Speaker, a $12.6-million initiative for Self and Family Managed Care. What that is is that it addresses home care, and we continue to hear the challenges of home care. Well, this is an initiative that allows people to be able to be in control of their own destinies by having the funds to be able to initiate home care. And it's certainly an initiative that is –and I can tell you that there is more to come with home care. There is a lot more to come with home care that our gov ernment will be announcing in the near–in the very near future. Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I can also indicate that we have addressed the support for palliative -care services. We're starting off with a program in Southern Health, which will be expanded to out –the whole province of Manitoba. So those people that are going through the anguish –and families there –of being at home for their path to the end of the life, we're going to make it easier, and this expenditure within this budget certainly does that. Madam Speaker, we're very pleased to announce $325,000 support to the Alzheimer Society First Link program.

And we all know and I think we've all been touched by somebody within our acquaintance or our family that has ex perienced the challenge of dementia, and it's a very difficult disease to be able to address, and we're happy to support people. Parti - cularly, I enjoy dealing with Wendy Schettler and Erin Crawford from the Alzheimer Society of Manitoba, who have been extremely supportive of our initiatives to enhance the dementia situations in Manitoba. Madam Speaker, also to–or, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, what this budget does is it really, really speaks to the support that this gov ernment gives to seniors and the advocacy of seniors. A 72 per cent increase in the Seniors budget is quite signi ficant, and that demonstrates the support that this government has for seniors and the expenditures that I've indicated d

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