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British Columbia — Debates (Hansard)
Fourth Session, 41st Parliament
(2019) OFFICIAL REPORT
OF DEBATES
(HANSARD)
Wednesday, March 27, 2019
Afternoon Sitting
Issue No. 223
ISSN 1499-2175
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CONTENTS
Routine Business
Introductions by Members
Introduction and First Reading of Bills
Bill 17 — Environmental Management Amendment Act, 2019
Hon. G. Heyman
Bill M207 — Safe Care Act, 2019
J. Thornthwaite
Statements (Standing Order 25B)
Genny Verge and B.C. athletes at Special Olympics
N. Simons
Northern Lights Festival in Fort Nelson
D. Davies
SUCCESS Foundation and fundraising gala
A. Kang
Murray Kubian
D. Clovechok
Memorial event for Hari Sharma
R. Chouhan
Sexual assault prevention and services
J. Thornthwaite
Oral Questions
Ride-sharing services and driver licensing
A. Wilkinson
Hon. C. Trevena
J. Thornthwaite
Permit for landfill site in Campbell River watershed
S. Furstenau
Hon. G. Heyman
Ride-sharing services and driver licensing
J. Johal
Hon. C. Trevena
S. Cadieux
P. Milobar
Hon. J. Horgan
Petitions
D. Clovechok
E. Foster
R. Leonard
N. Simons
Orders of the Day
Second Reading of Bills
Bill 10 — Income Tax Amendment Act, 2019 (continued)
S. Furstenau
On the amendment
S. Furstenau
A. Weaver
A. Olsen
On the main motion
M. Morris
T. Stone
P. Milobar
R. Coleman
M. de Jong
Hon. C. James
Proceedings in the Douglas Fir Room
Committee of Supply
Estimates: Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development
Hon. D. Donaldson
J. Rustad
D. Barnett
M. Bernier
D. Davies
S. Bond
T. Shypitka
D. Clovechok
C. Oakes
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27, 2019
The House met at 1:35 p.m.
[Mr. Speaker in the chair.]
Routine Business
Prayers.
Introductions by Members
Hon. J. Horgan: I know that hon. members will be wondering why there’s a bison flying
out on the flagpole in front of the Legislature today. The flag of Manitoba
is flying because joining us in the gallery today is the Hon. Brian
Pallister, Premier of Manitoba. Premier Pallister is here on vacation, a
fact-finding mission about what to do when the good weather arrives in
Winnipeg. He’s here with his wife, Esther. I look forward to meeting with
the Premier shortly.
Before I take my seat, I want to thank the people of Manitoba for
being there when we were going through devastating floods last year.
Manitoba has extreme experience in this regard and was quick to come to our
aid, as we would reciprocate, should the need arise. To have friends across
the country, whether it be in Manitoba, whether it be on the east coast, is
what really brings us together as a nation. We fight about the Jets and the
Canucks, we fight about the Blue Bombers and the Lions, but we agree on so
many things.
I want all of the members of the House to please welcome warmly the
Premier of Manitoba, Brian Pallister. [Applause.]
Just to continue, as you can see, someone taller than the member for
Vancouver–Point Grey is now in the House.
I also want to take the opportunity to welcome a former member of this
place, the former member for Burnaby–Deer Lake, who has joined us here
today, on this side of the House. The weather is greater on this side of the
House. Would the members please make Kathy Corrigan very, very
welcome.
J. Tegart: I’m so pleased to have two visitors in the precinct from my riding
today. Jim and Donna Walch are longtime residents of the village of Clinton.
Over the years, they’ve volunteered on most committees, which makes Clinton
a great place to live. Of course, you will see them all dressed up at the
Clinton May ball, the longest-running ball in Canada. Please help me welcome
Jim and Donna to the House.
J. Thornthwaite: I have some special guests in the House today to support me and this
side when we introduce the Safe Care Act. They are Jo-Anne Landolt, Linda
Proctor and Marina Landolt. They’re here. Would the House please make them
welcome.
J. Rice: I have two guests here today. Samuel Schooner is the chair of the
Central Coast regional district, and Courtney Kirk is our CAO for the
Central Coast regional district. They’re both from the Nuxalk territory in
the Bella Coola Valley. I would like the House to please make them feel
welcome.
N. Simons: Today I have a number of guests in the House. Yesterday I introduced
my constituency assistant, Michelle Morton. Today her husband and son
decided to come as well. Sean and Peter are also here today, and I ask the
House to make them welcome.
[1:40 p.m.]
Before we continue any further, I’d like to introduce a group from the
Sunshine Coast who are here to witness the presentation of a petition a
little bit later on, on the highway situation on the Sunshine Coast. I would
like to introduce Robin Merriott, Jonalyn Siemens, Maureen Bryce, John
Henderson and Lori Pratt, the chair of the Sunshine Coast regional district
and chair of the Halfmoon Bay area. Would the House please join me in
welcoming them.
R. Leonard: I have, also, a number of guests visiting today: longtime resident,
former teacher — and I’ve known him for an awfully long time — Dave Talbot,
who has a brilliant daughter who serves in our government, and his partner,
Charlotte Ericson. I hope that the House will make them feel very welcome
today.
I also have two other folks who have wet their feet in the advocacy
world, and they’re here today to witness the presentation of a petition and
the fruits of their labour. Could you please welcome Bruce Gibbons and
Nicole Poirier.
D. Davies: It gives me great pleasure to introduce and welcome — somewhere in the
precinct today, down for meetings — the chair of the Peace River regional
district, Brad Sperling, and the vice-chair of the regional district, Dan
Rose. Would the House make them feel welcome.
Hon. K. Conroy: I’ve got some guests in the gallery today. One of them is…. Many of
you will have heard of her and known of her because your CAs contact her all
the time, and that’s my executive assistant, Edena Brown. Many of you have
come and told me what a wonderful job she does. Here is your opportunity to
show your appreciation to Edena.
With Edena today are a couple of her guests, Drs. Greg and Linda
Kealey. Greg is a historian of the working class in Canada and former
vice-president of the University of New Brunswick, where he is professor
emeritus of history. In 2017, he was appointed a member of the Order of
Canada, and the Minister of Education just informed me he read your book
when he was going to school. So that’s a good thing. Linda is also a fellow
of the Royal Historical Society and a scholar with a national and
international reputation.
Would the House please join me in making them very welcome.
E. Foster: I have a guest in the House who is a longtime friend, Tom Williamson,
who taught in the Vernon school district for almost 40 years as a teacher, a
coach and a mentor for young people, especially supportive of the trades. In
his retirement, Tom decided to throw his hat in the ring and is now a
trustee for, as my colleague from Surrey used to say, the best school
district in all of B.C. — the Vernon school district, school district No.
22. Please make Tom welcome.
G. Kyllo: I’m joined in the House today by some good friends from Shuswap —
community of Anglemont. They’re semi-residents of Victoria — have been
spending the winters in Victoria for about 30 plus years. Would the House
please welcome Don and Sheila Riley.
Hon. S. Simpson: I’m really pleased that we’re joined in the House today by a
constituent of mine, a friend of mine and the executive director of the
government caucus, Roseanne Moran. Roseanne has committed a lifetime to
social justice issues, and she comes by that through lineage. Her mother,
Bridget Moran, was a lifetime social justice advocate, a social worker and
an accomplished author.
Bridget was a lifetime resident of Prince George, mostly, and wrote a
number of books about B.C. history, including on social justice issues. In
addition to being recognized with an honorary doctorate from UNBC, she also
has a fabulous statue that was commissioned of her by the city of Prince
George in 2003 that you can go visit at 3rd and Quebec.
What I really appreciate is that…. Bridget passed away about 20 years
ago, but there is now a documentary that has just come out talking about her
life called Blacklisted , a Prince George icon, which talks about
her history, fighting for the rights of vulnerable people. I know she made
her daughter very proud.
Welcome to Roseanne, and go and watch the documentary on
Bridget.
[1:45 p.m.]
A. Kang: I know she has been introduced already, but I would be remiss to not
introduce my predecessor of beautiful Burnaby–Deer Lake, Kathy Corrigan. She
has been a great friend to me, a mentor and someone who has inspired me to
serve. Who I am today here as a politician is mainly due to Kathy Corrigan.
Once again, I would like everyone to join me in giving her a very big, warm
welcome.
J. Sturdy: I’d like the House to join me in welcoming one of my constituents, Jen
Ford, up in the gallery today. Jen is a two-term councillor for the resort
municipality of Whistler, vice-chair for the Squamish-Lillooet regional
district as well as chair for the Sea to Sky Regional Hospital
District.
Jen is the portfolio lead for social services and regional cooperation
as well as one of the potential commissioners for what we hope to be very
soon a newly formed regional transit service in the Sea to Sky. She’s here
to attend the Regional District Chair and CAO Forum. Please join me in
welcoming her and her colleagues from around the province to the House
today.
Introduction and
First Reading of Bills
BILL 17 — ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT
AMENDMENT ACT,
Hon. G. Heyman presented a message from Her Honour the
Lieutenant-Governor: a bill intituled Environmental Management Amendment
Act, 2019.
Hon. G. Heyman: I move that the bill be introduced and read a first time
now.
I’m pleased to introduce Bill 17, the Environmental Management
Amendment Act, 2019. This bill proposes a series of amendments to the
Environmental Management Act to enhance the process of how contaminated
sites are identified in this province.
The bill also proposes amendments to strengthen investigative
powers of the conservation officer service. The bill aims to strengthen
the site identification process in B.C. in three tangible
ways.
Site identification is streamlined by eliminating unnecessary
requirements and improving clarity. This will reduce overall
administrative burden and ensure timely investigation of contaminated
sites.
Site investigation will be automatic where a prescribed industrial
or commercial activity has occurred on a site and if a person, owner or
operator of a site is undergoing bankruptcy, shutting down operations or
seeking redevelopment.
In circumstances of owners or operators undergoing bankruptcy,
individuals will be required to identify sites. This will increase the
likelihood that contamination is addressed by the responsible person and
not by the public.
The bill will also strengthen the investigative authority of
B.C.’s conservation officer service by incorporating Criminal Code of
Canada provisions into the Environmental Management Act. While
conservation officers can use Criminal Code provisions to investigate
serious environmental offences under federal environmental legislation,
they cannot do so under provincial legislation.
An expanded range of tools for conservation officers will result
in more effective and efficient investigations and greater protection
for the environment.
Mr. Speaker: The question is first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
Hon. G. Heyman: I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second
reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Bill 17, Environmental Management Amendment Act, 2019, introduced,
read a first time and ordered to be placed on orders of the day for second
reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
BILL M207 — SAFE CARE ACT, 2019
J. Thornthwaite presented a bill intituled Safe Care Act,
J. Thornthwaite: I move a bill intituled Safe Care Act, 2019, of which notice has
been given in my name on the order paper, be now read a first
time.
I’m pleased to stand in this House to reintroduce the Safe Care
Act. I first brought this bill forward on February 28, 2018.
Unfortunately, since then, almost 20 youth have died from drug
overdoses.
This legislation allows for the apprehension of vulnerable
children and youth whose situation places them or others at an
unacceptable level of risk and allows for their subsequent safe
placement in a service that will respond to their trauma and high risk
of harm — children in need of support and assistance in order to deal
with issues of mental health, substance use, sexual exploitation or
partner violence.
[1:50 p.m.]
Of course, the most effective way to help youth is through the
provision of voluntary services such as detox, residential treatment
recovery programs and mental health services, but sometimes voluntary
services are not enough. A youth who has been on a binge, drug use for
several days and who has just received Narcan and is in a state of
drug-craving and possible hypoxia has significantly impaired judgment
and is not capable of informed consent. If we all agree that addiction
is a disorder of the mind and that youths’ brains are still growing and
under construction, then they are not in the right mind to make a choice
to stop using.
In many cases, youth are discharged within hours of an overdose.
The advantage of the Safe Care Act is not only to protect the youth from
immediate harm or another overdose but to help their brains become
rewired and back to normal and to get them the necessary help in the
required amount of time that they need for treatment and recovery — not
discharge.
Not only should parents be immediately notified upon their child’s
admission to hospital, the most responsible thing to do is to keep them
safe, and the Safe Care Act will help with that. Doesn’t it seem prudent
for government to give it a try, given that what we are currently doing
is obviously not working? I once again ask that government immediately
bring the Safe Care Act to debate in the House for the sake of our youth
and for the sake of all British Columbians.
Mr. Speaker: The question is first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
J. Thornthwaite: I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second
reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Bill M207, Safe Care Act, 2019, introduced, read a first time and
ordered to be placed on orders of the day for second reading at the next
sitting of the House after today.
Statements
(Standing Order 25B)
GENNY VERGE AND B.C. ATHLETES
AT SPECIAL
OLYMPICS
N. Simons: I’d like to congratulate gold medal swimmer Genny Verge and her
teammates. Early this month she and her team joined over 7,500 athletes
from 200 nations across the globe in Abu Dhabi for the 2019 Special
Olympics World Games, the largest sporting event anywhere in the world
in 2019.
Genny is a resident of the Sunshine Coast and is an accomplished
athlete and swimmer. She has also been a Special Olympics athlete for
over eight years and joined because of the inclusive, warm welcome she
received. I got some of this information about Genny from Mike Oswald,
also a Special O athlete, who wrote an
article for the Coast
Reporter .
Special Olympics B.C. provides sport, recreation, training and
opportunities for fun competition to athletes with diverse intellectual
abilities on the Sunshine Coast and all over British Columbia. The
Sunshine Coast has over 60 athletes participating in 13
programs.
All of us as MLAs know how important Special O supporters are —
from athletes, coaches, families, siblings to the organizers and all of
the volunteers. Genny trains with the support of head coach Cathy Verge,
Chinook coach Rob Hyde, and former coach Catherine Duncombe, day in and
day out on everything from freestyle and diving to breath control and
underwater kicking. Congratulations are due to all the Special Olympics
Team Canada athletes and the incredible coaches and mission
staff.
Besides Genny, the athletes from B.C. were Patrick Reid from
Victoria; Linda Renner from Prince George; April Armstrong from Burnaby;
Malcolm Borsoi from Surrey; Sheryl Jakubowski from Fort St. John;
Arianna Phillips from Nanaimo; Kyle Grummet from West Kelowna; Erin Thom
from Cranbrook; John Canning from Surrey, who recently moved to
Penticton; and Kelsey Wyse from Kelowna.
I’m thrilled to congratulate Genny in winning gold in both her
races in the 2019 games.
To any Special Olympics athlete that wishes to follow in her
footsteps, Genny has this advice: “Have confidence in yourself. Don’t
give up. You can do what you set your mind to. Embrace the
moment.”
NORTHERN LIGHTS FESTIVAL
IN FORT
NELSON
D. Davies: While I was back in the riding over spring break, my family and I
attended the inaugural Fort Nelson Northern Lights Festival. This event
aims to attract visitors from all around the world to participate in
fun, local activities and enjoy multiple musicians throughout the
community. These include some big names, like the Sheepdogs, Lion Bear
Fox, Leeroy Stagger, William Prince and Gord Bamford, just to mention a
few.
[1:55 p.m.]
One of the main events of the festival was the Canadian Open
dogsled races, which had sledders from around the world and their dogs
race right through the community. With the warm weather, it was a very
interesting sight, first of all, to see the dogs go through town, but
maybe more impressive was having the town’s crews putting snow on the
streets instead of removing it. If you come from a northern community,
you know that’s a sight you don’t see.
I want to congratulate the winner of the race, a Fort Nelson
local, Buddy Streeper. Congratulations.
Another major attraction was the First Nations hand game
tournament, which was awesome. This is something I’ve never witnessed,
this traditional Dene game, and the energy from both the game as well as
the crowd was incredibly powerful.
Of course, anybody who’s ever been to Fort Nelson…. It’s always a
great experience to check out their museum. I’ve been up there a few
times before and visited the museum, but there’s always something new to
learn and to see in that museum, especially the incredible classic and
antique car collection that they have.
The festival’s efforts also mean that Fort Nelson can claim to be
the home of Canada’s tallest snowman, which clocked in at a little over
100 feet. Although they were trying to get the Guinness Book of World
Records for the tallest snowman, they just barely missed it. So next
year’s goal, I guess.
Finally, there were many opportunities to view the incredible
northern lights, which put on a brilliant display on numerous
evenings.
It was truly a wonderful opportunity to see this community pull
together for this festival, especially at a time when positive news is
needed in that community. It was great for the community. It was an
incredible experience for everyone that attended, and I know one thing
for sure. I’m looking forward to attending the second annual Northern
Lights Festival.
SUCCESS FOUNDATION
AND FUNDRAISING
GALA
A. Kang: It gives me great pleasure to recognize the wonderful work of
SUCCESS Foundation and its 2019 Bridge to SUCCESS Gala. SUCCESS is one
of the largest social service agencies in B.C. It provides a wide
spectrum of programs for people both young and old in our
communities.
In 1973, its vision to contribute to the community began with a
mission to assist new Canadians of Chinese descent to overcome language
and cultural barriers. Today SUCCESS has established itself to become a
multicultural and multiservice agency that supports people of all ages
and all cultural backgrounds.
Proceeds of this year’s fundraising gala go to supporting the
multicultural early childhood development, MECD, program for immigrant
families with children from zero to six years old. Here, children learn
the values of racial harmony and cultural empathy, and caregivers are
taught healthy parenting styles as they settle in Canada.
The tireless efforts of hardworking staff and volunteers at
SUCCESS reflect British Columbia’s shared values and help secure the
benefits of diversity and inclusion for generations to come.
I especially want to recognize the three fantastic co-chairs of
the gala: Dr. Timothy Hsia, Ms. Cheryl Kwok and Ms. Modi Liu. Many
thanks to Mr. Brandon Hui for his dedication as chair of the SUCCESS
Foundation. I also want to acknowledge Mr. Johnny Fong and Mr. Sing Yeo
as passionate SUCCESS Foundation patrons.
Last but not least, I want to acknowledge the valuable work of CEO
Queenie Choo and chair Terry Yung for their commitment to SUCCESS and
support as it continues its legacy enriching the lives of countless
people in our province.
MURRAY KUBIAN
D. Clovechok: I’m very pleased to rise in this House today to recognize an
individual in my riding who is retiring from serving in the Windermere
fire department in his community for the past 36 years as a volunteer
firefighter.
Like so many of us who live there, Murray Kubian and his family
visited the valley and fell in love with it. They eventually moved,
recognizing what a great place it is to raise a family.
Thirty-eight years ago, in December of 1981, a small group of men,
including Murray, started discussing the need for a fire department in
the Windermere area. Over the next two years, they met regularly at the
Windermere school to build their case to get the regional district of
East Kootenay to establish a fire department in Windermere, and they
were successful.
Murray is a quiet and very humble guy, and they don’t come any
more solid or any more reliable. When you need him, he’s there. He
rarely missed a fire practice in 36 years or a call in that time as
well. Murray has probably done every job in the fire department,
including being captain for several years. But he really enjoyed and
excelled at being the pump operator.
He won’t tell you himself, but the fire chief, Jim Miller, will
tell you that Murray is easily the best pump operator the fire
department has ever had, and he’s going to be sorely missed.
[2:00 p.m.]
I’d like you to join here with me today in thanking Murray Kubian
for his vision, his leadership, his dedication and his volunteer service
to his community. I’d also like to take this opportunity to wish him and
his wife a long, happy and healthy retirement and a great dinner tonight
back in Invermere.
Thank you, Murray, for all the years of service, and thank you to
all the firefighters in the Columbia River–Revelstoke.
MEMORIAL EVENT FOR HARI SHARMA
R. Chouhan: On March 17, the Founding Punjabi Literary Association organized a
memorial to pay tribute to Dr. Sharma at the national heritage Canada
Khalsa Diwan Society Gurdwara in Abbotsford. About 100 people attended
this memorial. The member for Surrey–Green Timbers and myself had the
honour to speak at the meeting.
Professor Sharma passed away on March 16, 2010, after a lengthy
battle with cancer. As an academic and community leader, he led many
organizations for social justice in Canada and abroad. Having engaged in
many anti-racist struggles in the 1970s, he played a key role in the
formation of the B.C. Organization to Fight Racism, which proved to be
an extremely effective instrument against the tide of racism in B.C. at
that time. He also played a very important role in starting the Canadian
Farmworkers Union.
In 1989, Hari mobilized the South Asian community to form the
Komagata Maru Historical Society to commemorate the 75th anniversary of
the Komagata Maru incident. His leadership also led to the
development of SANSAD, the South Asian Network for Secularism and
Democracy, in the quest for peace and democracy based on secularism,
human rights and social justice. Besides being an excellent political
organizer, my friend and mentor, Dr. Sharma was a gifted writer and a
talented photographer.
I would like to thank Prof. Gurvinder Dhaliwal and his
organization, the Founding Punjabi Literary Association, for organizing
this meeting in Abbotsford.
Mr. Speaker: Once having had Dr. Sharma as a professor, I can tell you
he was a wonderful person and a brilliant professor.
SEXUAL ASSAULT
PREVENTION AND
SERVICES
J. Thornthwaite: Did you know that one in five young women will experience an
attempted or completed rape while in university, that sexual assaults
are most commonly perpetrated by someone they know and trust and that
most occur in social situations that people do not consider
dangerous?
Sexual assault resistant programs like Flip the Script have been
shown to reduce rapes by up to 50 to 65 percent on post-secondary
campuses. Although the North Shore Women’s Centre has a licence to offer
this program, it is not yet funded. This program should be available at
all post-secondary campuses.
But we know that university is too late. Many boys have already
learned what they can get away with by high school, and that is why we
need earlier programs in middle school or even elementary school on what
consent actually means.
We need better education for those who come in contact with sexual
assault victims, including police, lawyers and judges. I still hear
stories from victims who have been violently raped, and the police are
still asking: “What were you wearing?” Plus, the broad wording of
Canada’s rape-shield law allows lawyers to get around the rules in the
courtroom and to bring up the sexual history of the victim.
I met with a therapist who said that at least 50 percent of the
underlying reasons that women were coming in for therapy were uncovered
sexual assaults that happened sometimes decades earlier. This is a
hidden cost of sexual assault that no one is talking about.
We need to expand the community-based victim services that
directly serve women and act as advocates in the legal service even if
the victim chooses not to report. Imagine that — if the victim chooses
to report. Rarely do those under 25 even bother. Why would they? They
are routinely revictimized by the health and legal systems that are
supposed to be there to protect them. Advocates call this the second
rape.
The Ending Violence Association of B.C. has submitted 16 urgent
issues that must be addressed by government to help victims of sexual
assault, and not all of them require money. Right now only 64
community-based victim services are funded. They estimate we need 40
more.
[2:05 p.m.]
There is urgent need for hospital-based services. Only nine
currently exist in B.C. If a woman is raped in the North Shore and she
arrives at Lions Gate Hospital, she’s told to go to Vancouver General
Hospital at her own expense.
It is time that our educational, health and judicial systems put a
greater emphasis on services and prevention of sexual assault. I will
continue to work with advocates and survivors to improve what we can do
for them and their families.
Oral Questions
RIDE-SHARING SERVICES
AND DRIVER
LICENSING
A. Wilkinson: Well, we’ve seen that consumers in British Columbia are very keen
to move ahead with ride-sharing, and we have a government that is very
keen to resist it. Consumers want access to true ride-sharing services.
In fact, our own select standing committee went through this on behalf
of this House and came to the conclusion that it’s time to put in proper
full-on, unrestricted, unmanipulated ride-sharing. Instead, yesterday
what we got was an excuse from the Minister of
Transportation.
The question comes, of course: when consumers want it, when
business groups want it, when the select standing committee representing
this House wants it, why is the Minister of Transportation still
blocking ride-sharing in British Columbia?
Hon. C. Trevena: I do find it sad to hear this from the Leader of the Opposition,
who was part of a government that stalled on ride-hailing. They had all
the opportunity that they could — five years — to do something, and
nothing happened.
I’m really pleased that our government has brought legislation to
this House, which has passed, that will bring ride-hailing to B.C. this
year. We know that people are eager for new options. They want modern
transportation services. They want to get around, and the action that we
are taking will make sure that happens.
I, too, have heard from hundreds and hundreds of British
Columbians who want ride-hailing, app-based ride-hailing. They will have
it in B.C. this year thanks to this government.
Mr. Speaker: The Leader of the Official Opposition on a
supplemental.
A. Wilkinson: Well, the Minister of Transportation tried to give us a complete,
compelling answer, but she forgot to leave out that the version of
ride-sharing she’s talking about is manipulated, contrived,
government-operated, half-baked and won’t work.
The obvious question is: why did she stand up yesterday, in the
face of consumer pressure, and say: “Oh no, the drivers will have to
have a class 4 licence”? Why on earth is she insisting on a class 4
licence?
Hon. C. Trevena: People, when they get into a vehicle, whether it is a taxi or an
app-based vehicle, want to know that they are safe. The opposition said
that when they were in government…. This is a basis that they have
to….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Proceed, Minister.
Hon. C. Trevena: When the opposition was on this side of the House, when the
opposition was in government, they said that they wanted safety. In
fact, as recently as last year, the opposition leader said, and I have
to say, that the issue is how you make sure there’s a safe
environment.
We have to make sure that there is a safe environment. If the
Leader of the Opposition doesn’t want to see a safe environment for the
drivers, the passengers, the pedestrians and other vehicles on the road,
I certainly do. So do all British Columbians.
Mr. Speaker: The Leader of the Official Opposition on a second
supplemental.
A. Wilkinson: On this minister’s assessment, we’re going to have hunky-dory,
first-class, top-quality, state-of-the-art, world-class ride-sharing
this year but….
Interjections.
[2:10 p.m.]
Mr. Speaker: Members. Members.
A. Wilkinson: We can see how proud the government is of its half-baked 140 cars,
restricted zones, ride-controlled, price-controlled, volume-controlled,
“all in the hands of the taxi industry” Mickey Mouse version of
pseudo-ride-hailing.
This minister has no basis whatsoever for saying there should be a
class 4 licence, and she knows it. If she thinks we need safer vehicles
for ride-sharing, the next thing she’s going to say is the passengers
have to wear helmets and five-point seatbelts.
Can the minister explain why British Columbia is so special when
this isn’t required in 50 states in the U.S.? It’s not required in 28
countries in Europe, but somehow it’s required in British Columbia. What
makes her British Columbia so special that this licence is necessary? Or
maybe she’s just on the first pathway, the first step, towards helmets
and five-point seatbelts.
Hon. C. Trevena: I’m not sure if the member of the opposition actually read the
report that was tabled yesterday. If he did, he would’ve noticed a
couple of things, a couple of important things I’d like to point out.
One is that…
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. C. Trevena: …it was not unanimous in the recommendations about whether class 4
or class 5. We have chosen to go with class 4. In the report, it cited
the seniors advocate, many communities and the Vancouver police
department all saying we need to keep a class 4.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. C. Trevena: The members opposite also don’t realize that in Alberta there’s a
class 4 and that in New York City there is a class 4 equivalent. I think
if the opposition wants to lower the safety standards for the people of
B.C., they should explain why.
J. Thornthwaite: Yesterday the minister had the gall to tell this House it would be
absolutely foolish for her to comment before considering the committee
report. That’s what she said. But mere minutes later, outside the House,
she’s doing a press release. She made it really clear that her mind is
already made up. This whole process has been a sham.
Markella does not buy the excuses. She writes: “It’s not only
about convenience. It’s about my safety. How many times have I walked
home at night or waited up to 45 minutes to find a cab? It’s absolutely
ridiculous.” That’s the safety issue here.
Now that Uber and Lyft say that they will not come because of this
minister’s barriers, will the minister please reconsider this rigged
process?
Hon. C. Trevena: I thank the member for her question. She is a passionate advocate
for this. It’s very unfortunate that as a passionate advocate, she
wasn’t able to persuade her own government for five years to play…. We
are on schedule. We actually introduced legislation.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. C. Trevena: We brought in legislation last year that will enable ride-hailing.
This is going to be in….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members, the minister has the floor.
Hon. C. Trevena: They are very frustrated, because they had an opportunity. They
had five years to do it. They did nothing. We are doing it. Ride-hailing
is going to be in B.C. by the end of the year.
Mr. Speaker: Member for North Vancouver–Seymour on a supplemental.
[2:15 p.m.]
J. Thornthwaite: No one believes the minister. Tony writes, this constituent of
mine…. He wrote to me yesterday: “Needing a class 4 licence is beyond
ridiculous. Uber and Lyft are working great in other parts of the world.
Big Brother government needs to end, please.” And Raha writes: “As a
young female living in Vancouver, the lack of ride-sharing is a huge
safety concern for me.”
This is the safety issue. Why is the minister blocking Tony and
Raha from getting true ride-sharing in British Columbia?
Hon. C. Trevena: We are concerned about safety. That is why we are maintaining the
class 4 licence. We are looking at flexible business models, and we’re
going to ensure that ride-hailing is brought in this year, unlike the
previous government that stalled on this, kept the wheels spinning for
five years.
PERMIT FOR LANDFILL SITE IN
CAMPBELL RIVER
WATERSHED
S. Furstenau: Imagine how a community feels when the government issues a permit
for a contaminated landfill within its drinking watershed, nestled
between two bodies of water, one of which is connected to the town’s
drinking water. Unfortunately, this tale is actually becoming too
familiar — first Shawnigan Lake and now Campbell River.
Both have many of the same elements: fractured bedrock, duelling
experts and a community group raising red flags. As was the case in
Shawnigan Lake, experts hired by the community paint a very different
and much less rosy picture of the potential threats posed to drinking
water from a quarry turned into a landfill that will be allowed to
accept demolition waste, construction waste, land-clearing waste and
contaminated soil.
My question is for the Minister of Environment. Given that this
site is within Campbell River’s drinking watershed, and given its
proximity to McIvor Lake, what additional precautions have been taken to
ensure that there is no risk whatsoever to the town’s water
supply?
Hon. G. Heyman: Thank you to the Leader of the Third Party for the question. I
also want to acknowledge….
Interjections.
Hon. G. Heyman: Sorry, the House Leader. I correct myself. The House Leader of the
Third Party. Perhaps I should just stick to “the hon.
member.”
Thank you to the House Leader of the Third Party for the question.
I also want to acknowledge the member’s countless hours over many years
advocating for safe community watersheds. It’s important. She has done a
good job, and she continues to stand up for clean, safe drinking water.
I know and she knows that there is virtually nothing more important to
communities and individuals than to be assured that their drinking water
supply is safe.
I know, Member, that people in the region have a lot of questions
and concerns about the operational certificate. I have met with them. I
have met with the Campbell River Environmental Committee. Staff in the
ministry have met with them many times. I would remind the member and
every member of this House that ultimately, this is a decision that is
made by a statutory decision–maker.
There have been a number of technical reviews that went into the
operational certificate notice. We are now in a public comment period, a
30-day public comment period, and we want to make sure that everyone in
the region — elected officials, citizens and organized groups — have a
chance to make their voices heard, to put evidence before the
decision-maker again about any science that they have or any concerns
they have about the conditions and the certificate to protect water. I
urge people to use that 30-day period. I assure everyone that those
comments will be taken into consideration.
S. Furstenau: I appreciate the comments of the minister. However, there already
is evidence that is in conflict and that has been presented. Let’s look
at some of the conflicting reports.
[2:20 p.m.]
The Landfill Criteria for Municipal Solid Waste states
that “the landfill base shall be a minimum of 1.5 metres above
groundwater at all times.” The proponent’s QP, GHD, have given the green
light, but according to the Waterline hydrology review: “Insufficient
water-level data has been collected by GHD to demonstrate that
groundwater levels will remain 1.5 metres below the base of the
landfill. In fact, groundwater levels measured April 6, 2017, and
September 2015 likely do not meet the environment landfill
criteria.”
Waterline hydrogeology was hired by the city of Campbell River,
and their review raises many more worrying issues about this landfill,
not just a lack of data but concerns about a potential contaminant
pathway to McIvor Lake and concerns that GHD has “repeatedly
mischaracterized the hydrogeology of the site.”
My question is for the Minister of Environment. Given the
parallels with what happened in Shawnigan Lake and the lengthy and
costly legal battles that have ensued, and given that this permit is
likely creating the same conflict between the Ministry of Environment
and Campbell River, wouldn’t a precautionary approach that takes into
account all of the relevant evidence be prudent?
Hon. G. Heyman: Thank you, again, to the member for the question. I think the
member knows — and I certainly hope every member of this House and the
public knows — that our government believes that it is every British
Columbian’s right to have clean, safe drinking water. I know ministry
staff are aware of our government’s view — both because it’s been
communicated and because of a number of measures that we’ve taken,
whether it is dealing with agricultural waste in shallow aquifers or
organic matter disposal or a new environmental assessment act — that we
take this matter seriously.
Again, it is not my job to hear evidence. It’s the job of the
statutory decision–maker. In the public comment period, which extends to
April 27, there is an opportunity, again, for people to come forward
with evidence, with their concerns, with concerns that what was put
before the statutory decision–maker was not given due consideration.
Technical reviews have been completed, but I can assure the member the
final decision has not been made. When it is made, it will take all the
new evidence into account.
RIDE-SHARING SERVICES
AND DRIVER
LICENSING
J. Johal: It took 42 days for the Transportation Minister to read the Hara
taxi report — 42 days — but yesterday, mere minutes after the report was
tabled, the minister dismissed it. You’ve got to kind of ask yourself:
did she take a speedreading course? It’d be funny if it wasn’t so
pathetic.
Companies like Uber and Lyft can’t operate in this province
because of these NDP hurdles. Will the minister just admit that the fix
is in and that there’ll be no ride-sharing companies like Uber and Lyft
in British Columbia?
Hon. C. Trevena: Yes, we have had reports. We’ve had two reports from select
standing committees to this House, which have been very important for
our moving forward on app-based ride-hailing. On that side of the
House…. The member was not a member of government when that side of the
House was in government, but they did have five years to move on this.
They did nothing.
Mr. Speaker: The member for Richmond-Queensborough on a
supplemental.
J. Johal: The minister can say whatever she wants. This is all about keeping
Uber and Lyft out and pleasing the taxi lobby and that lipstick on a pig
called Kater. During the hearing, we asked a senior Lyft executive about
the ability to operate in B.C. with a class 4 licence. He told the
committee: “We’ve never entered a market with all those restrictions in
place.” Failure to accept the committee’s recommendations means no true
ride-sharing. It’s just that simple.
Will the minister accept the recommendations or continue to block
market-based ride-sharing?
Hon. C. Trevena: As I have said a number of times this afternoon, we are taking a
flexible approach to this…
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
[2:25 p.m.]
Hon. C. Trevena: …except where it comes to safety. I don’t think anybody would want
their child to get into a car where they didn’t know it was safe,
whether it was a taxi or whether it was an Uber or a Lyft or any other
app-based ride-hail. We are going to make sure that safety comes
first.
S. Cadieux: Well, Minister, every day in this province, parents put their
children in the cars of strangers to go on field trips, and they don’t
require a class 4 licence. Somehow those children remain
safe.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members, we shall hear the question.
S. Cadieux: The minister tasked our committee specifically to look at the
question of drivers’ licences. So after additional months of committee
work and listening to all of the experts and all of the testimony, the
majority of members on the committee determined that a class 5 licence
was more than adequate and was necessary if we wanted to see true
ride-sharing in British Columbia. Yet before we finished lunch
yesterday, the minister made it clear that her mind had been made up,
and the fix was in before she even got the report. Apparently, the
exercise was a complete sham yet again.
What was the point of the committee? What was the point,
Minister?
Hon. C. Trevena: I really don’t understand what the opposition’s problem is with
trying to find that we have a safe jurisdiction. If the member was on
the committee, she would have heard that the Vancouver police department
wanted to see a class 4….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members. Members, we shall hear the….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members. Members, you are out of order.
Minister, proceed.
Hon. C. Trevena: As I was saying, Mr. Speaker, the member was on the
committee.
Interjections.
Hon. C. Trevena: I don’t know what’s so funny about that.
She would have heard that the Vancouver police department, the
city of Victoria, the seniors advocate, the Cowichan Valley regional
district, experts from UBC, among many others — among many others — said
that safety had to come first, that we should be keeping a class 4
licence.
Safety does come first for me. I want to make sure that people who
pay to get into a vehicle — who are not getting into a school trip
vehicle where the parents have signed a waiver but are paying to get
into a vehicle — that those people are as safe as they possibly can
be.
Mr. Speaker: The member for Surrey South on a supplemental.
S. Cadieux: I guess if we just sign a waiver, it’s okay.
Alyssa is a Burnaby resident who attends Douglas College in New
Westminster, and she’s also affected by muscular dystrophy. She’s been
forced to wait for a cab outside in the cold for nearly an hour —
waiting for a taxi that never showed up. In the words of her sister,
this put Alyssa’s life on the line, and it happens day after day.
British Columbians like Alyssa and others who use Uber and Lyft all over
the world, when they travel, want Uber and Lyft, but these companies
aren’t coming, under the minister’s plan.
The Premier promised ride-sharing by Christmas of 2017, then again
by Christmas of 2018. But let’s see. What is the minister going to do to
avoid breaking the Premier’s promise this year?
Hon. C. Trevena: This is a bit rich from somebody who was in the cabinet when they
were in government, who had years to get to ride-hailing.
Interjections.
Hon. C. Trevena: As the former Transportation Minister has just heckled, yes, we
are in government now, and we are doing something. We’re going to make
sure that there is app-based ride-hailing in B.C. by the end of the
year.
[2:30 p.m.]
P. Milobar: This has turned absolutely farcical. The minister tasked the
committee, which I’ve been a member of twice now, this last time with a
very specific question — four specific questions. One of them was to
check on which class of licence, class 4 or class 5, should be used. She
didn’t say: “I’m going to only rely on the VPD.” If she was, why did she
bother asking us to look into that specific question?
The committee looked into it. In fact, the committee asked for
extra information from ICBC on a pesky little thing like crash rates
between class 4 and class 5 driver’s licence holders. There’s not a
discernible difference.
Maybe the minister could look into that herself, because
yesterday…
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
P. Milobar: …the minister said: “I have tasked the special committee twice to
have recommendations, and it would be absolutely foolish of me to say
anything before I see the recommendations. I look forward to it. People
have worked very hard on this report. People have committed time to it.
I will read the recommendations.” Yet minutes later, she apparently had
already read through it and dismissed it. This is a complete
joke.
Will the minister stop pretending this is anything but a sham and
a complete waste of time because she has already decided to block
ride-sharing companies like Lyft and Uber from B.C.?
Hon. C. Trevena: I actually am very excited about the movement we’ve got on
ride-hailing. I think it is going to be very interesting as it moves
into British Columbia, as it has been in other jurisdictions. Luckily,
we’ve been able to learn from other jurisdictions. As has been cited in
the past, we’ve learned lessons. We are coming in at ride-share 2.0. We
are moving ahead with it.
One of the lessons that we have learnt is that safety has to come
first. We have the equivalent…. The members opposite say we’re never
going to get ride-hailing companies in with a class 4 licence. In
Alberta, Uber operates. In New York, where there is….
I know the member opposite has spoken about how he loved to get in
his Uber in New York. Well, in New York, not only do they have the
highest licence standard. They’ve got caps on numbers because they’re
dealing with congestion. They’ve really straightened up on their
licensing.
If I might….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Minister, proceed.
Hon. C. Trevena: I’ll wait for his supplemental.
Mr. Speaker: The member for Kamloops–North Thompson on a
supplemental.
P. Milobar: It’s always interesting when New York gets used as an example. I
guess the government is going to change all of our laws to mimic New
York. They’re one of the largest economies out there. It’s much larger
than the economy of British Columbia as a stand-alone. But let’s keep
using New York.
Here’s the real….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
P. Milobar: I would have expected the Premier would want to use Washington
state as more of an example, or Seattle.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
P. Milobar: Here is the reality. It was this Premier who gave his word to the
promise that it was going to be December of 2017. It was this Premier
who gave his word it was going to be December of 2018. It’s this Premier
who said December of 2019 or some time before then. Yet we know that by
clinging to class 4, it’s going to take four to five months at a minimum
for even one new class 4 driver to be able to drive for a company like
Uber and Lyft. It doesn’t add up.
Even the committee members from the government side agree that the
review scheduled for 2022 would be pointless, because there’s not going
to be meaningful ride-hailing in 2019. That’s why the review should move
to 2023.
[2:35 p.m.]
Maybe the minister didn’t get to reading that part of the report.
Maybe the minister just jumped straight ahead to the class 4
recommendation, because the 2023 recommendation was four or five
recommendations ahead of that.
We have seen one broken promise after another from this Premier.
The people are tired of it. They’re tired of his broken promises when it
comes to ride-hailing.
Mr. Speaker: Member, the question.
P. Milobar: It will not be in 2019. When will the Premier own up to the fact
we are not going to see meaningful ride-hailing in 2019, and when will
we actually see it in this province?
Hon. J. Horgan: I’m always, always grateful for an opportunity to respond to
someone from Kamloops, but I was really hoping for the member for
Kamloops South, because we collect these quotes. People forget that we
record the proceedings in this place. People forget that. They forget
that.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members. Members, we shall hear the response.
Hon. J. Horgan: It wasn’t that long ago….
Interjection.
Hon. J. Horgan: It’s not going to work, man. I’m going to read them
out.
The member for Kamloops South, who had…
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. J. Horgan: …this file on his desk for five years did not advance the ball an
inch. But this is what he used to say.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members. Members.
Hon. J. Horgan: “We have rules.” He said: “We have rules; we have laws in this
province.”
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. J. Horgan: I guess everything’s hunky-dory. I guess everything’s hunky-dory
if they don’t want to hear the answer.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. J. Horgan: I know it’s wacky, but why don’t you just listen up a bit. You
might remember. “We have rules in this province.” Then he finished: “If
Uber wants to operate in this province, they’re going to have to operate
under the same rules as taxi operators currently abide by.”
I don’t know. It seems inconceivable that the whole front bench
over there forgot the position that they had adopted for half a decade.
But let me remind you….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. J. Horgan: Before I take my seat, I want to thank the member for the
opportunity to stand.
The Leader of the Opposition, as recently as last year, said: “We
have to make sure that whoever is carrying passengers in British
Columbia is appropriately licensed, appropriately trained and skilled
and appropriately insured.”
I believe, we believe and I’m sure you believe in your heart of
hearts that the public’s safety is paramount. That’s what we’re doing on
this side of the House. Get on board, Members. Get on board.
[End of question period.]
Petitions
D. Clovechok: I’ll let things calm down for a second.
Mr. Speaker: This is a good idea.
D. Clovechok: I’d like to stand today to present two petitions. The first petition….
Both are to the hon. Minister of Health. This is a petition from the little
village of Fairmont Hot Springs, of 111 people. The petition is directed at
very concerned citizens’ access to timely and effective medical care. The
petition to the minister insists on the delivery of quality, appropriate,
cost-effective and timely health services in rural areas, ensuring that
people are at the heart of the decision-making when it comes to
interprovincial health care agreements.
The second petition is from the seniors at the Invermere seniors
centre. It has 572 signatures on it. It has to do, directly, with
transborder health care, telehealth services, rural hospitals being given
better access to diagnostic tools and that the regional hospital in the
Kootenays be given the capabilities to service the growth that the region is
experiencing.
E. Foster: I have a petition here, signed by over 1,000 people in my area. It’s
accompanied with a number of letters written by mayors, chairs and MLAs from
across the province. The committee is asking the Legislature to declare
February 1 every year as RCMP appreciation day.
[2:40 p.m.]
I will turn in the petition, and I will get the letters to the
appropriate minister.
R. Leonard: I rise to present a petition from a local group called the Merville
Water Guardians. Water is life. Neighbours in a rural area were concerned
about the impact of a new well for commercial water bottling on their
below-ground water source. This has grown into a global concern over the
management of this life-sustaining resource.
About 1,150 petitioners here, on top of on-line signatures of over
1,300, are respectfully requesting that the hon. House immediately stop
approval of groundwater licences under the Water Sustainability Act for the
bottling and commercial sale of groundwater from our aquifers.
N. Simons: I’m pleased to present a petition on behalf of 6,400 signatories,
calling for a completion of the bypass on the Sunshine Coast and other
efforts to ensure that the current highway meets the safety standards that
are necessary. I’m proud to present this petition on behalf of the residents
of the Sunshine Coast.
J. Rustad: I seek leave to make an introduction.
Leave granted.
Introductions by Members
J. Rustad: I just wanted to mention that John Henderson is up in the crowd, and I
know he’s here. He’s met with a number of people on both sides of the House,
looking for that highway on the Sunshine Coast. I just wanted to make sure
that the House made him welcome.
Orders of the Day
Hon. M. Farnworth: In this chamber, I call continued second reading debate on Bill 10. In
section A, the Douglas Fir Room, I call the continued estimates on the Ministry
of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development.
[R. Chouhan in the chair.]
Second Reading of Bills
BILL 10 — INCOME TAX
AMENDMENT ACT,
(continued)
Deputy Speaker: Members, those who don’t have House duty, maybe you would like to
leave.
S. Furstenau: I thank you for the opportunity to speak to Bill 10, the Income
Tax Amendment Act. I started yesterday afternoon, and I’d like to recap
some of my comments and then continue.
This bill aims to bring the NDP’s liquefied natural gas framework
into force. It details the publicly funded handouts that are being
offered to industry in exchange for the expansion of natural gas
development in this province. It trades tax breaks for the construction
of the single biggest point source of greenhouse gas emissions in the
history of Canada.
My caucus colleagues and I have been clear. We will never support
an expansion of taxpayer-funded giveaways to help support the fossil
fuel industry. We will not help the B.C. NDP implement an LNG regime,
and we will not be complicit in our silence. We will use our votes and
our voices to say no, because this is the wrong decision and the wrong
direction for our province in 2019.
[2:45 p.m.]
We will not — not now, not ever — vote to advance major fossil
fuel expansion, and we will continue to work to instead advance strong
climate policy for this province. Because communities are already facing
significant impacts from climate change. Whether it’s wildfires, floods,
droughts, species extinction or crop failures, B.C.’s communities are at
the front line of this fight.
By pursuing LNG, we are tying our communities to an industry that
is contributing to these challenges while failing to invest in a
sustainable low-carbon future. The world’s leading climate scientists
have warned us time and time again that if global emissions do not start
to dramatically decline in the next few years, many millions of people,
including British Columbians, will be at severe risk.
Ecosystems, plants and animals are facing widespread extinction.
The future of humanity, as we know, hangs in the balance. We only have
until 2030 to keep global warming to a maximum of 1.5 degrees, beyond
which, even half a degree will significantly worsen the climate change
impacts and drag hundreds of millions of people into poverty.
This is not new information. Scientists have been raising concerns
about what their data has shown for decades. What is new, however, is
how urgent and dire the scientific warnings have become. In recent
years, the consequences of rising CO 2 and temperatures have
been painfully clear. We are on target to see ocean surface acidity into
a realm for which we have no known comparison in the history of the
earth.
Coral beds that have been around for millions of years will go
extinct. In Canada, overall precipitation will increase, but it will
come in fewer, more extreme events, interspersed between longer periods
of drought. There will be an increased risk of flooding, and then there
will be wildfires, as we have already seen summer after summer in
British Columbia.
Think for a moment about the massive crop failures, economic
collapse and millions of climate refugees desperate for safer homes. Our
growing consumption levels are unsustainable on an earth with finite
resources, and the limit is clearly in view. The amount of carbon
dioxide in our atmosphere now far exceeds the natural range of the last
650,000 years. And it is still rising very quickly because of decisions
like the one before us today.
Reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have
made it painfully clear that we have only a few short years to steer
away from catastrophic climate change by dramatically reducing our
greenhouse gas emissions, starting now. Yet in the face of all of that,
the vast majority of members in this House are selling out to score a
fossil fuel project that plans to drastically increase our emissions
from 2023 through to the year 2060.
LNG Canada, a project set to become the single biggest point
source of emissions in our country’s history, will pollute until after
your children have retired. It will pollute the province your
grandchildren are born into. Choosing to take action on climate change
is a luxury that is expiring. Soon the realities of climate change will
come flooding in through our front doors. We must not squander this
opportunity.
This legislation, Bill 10, steers B.C. in a direction that we
don’t need or want to go. But it doesn’t have to be this way. We can
write a new story for our province. We have such enormous potential in
B.C. to be a leader in clean energy — geothermal, wind, solar, wave, on
top of our already established and stable hydro energy. We have
everything we need to rise to this challenge, if government truly sets
us in the direction of a sustainable future.
Sweden, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Scotland, Germany, Uruguay and
Denmark are all showing leadership by shifting to renewables. Tanzania
is launching a massive tree-planting effort and has a national climate
change strategy built on the acknowledgment that all countries have a
role to play and they, too, will do their part.
[2:50 p.m.]
Nearly 50 countries around the world have committed to being 100
percent renewable by 2035, including many countries that are most
impacted by climate change due to droughts, floods and rising seas — the
Philippines, Kenya, Ethiopia, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala — 100
percent renewable by 2035, right around the same time that LNG Canada
will be ramping up fracking across northern B.C.
What are the implications of jurisdictions setting these ambitious
goals? Cleaner air and safer water, for a start. While we reshape our
energy, we can reshape our communities in ways that help us live better.
Transportation that incorporates more multimodal ways of getting around.
Economies that focus on local food, local manufacturing and local
benefits staying inside our communities.
Consider the temporary jobs for the LNG industry, people having to
be far away from their homes, their families, their communities. We
should be focused on creating an economy that keeps families together
and keeps communities and well-being at the centre of all of our
decision-making. The money that’s been promised by these fossil fuel
corporations, $20 billion over 40 years? That will pale in comparison to
the true cost of climate change, the emergency funding government will
have to funnel into communities that are underwater or up in flames or
unable to produce food.
Ensuring that every British Columbian has the conditions to live a
healthy, fulfilling life in a flourishing, supportive environment should
be the government’s most important responsibility. Our job is to make
people know that they are safe.
I don’t know if any of you were at the students’ climate strike
ten days ago, but over a million and a half children around the world,
and over 1,000 on the lawns of this Legislature, were telling us that
they do not feel safe. What a mark of our failure that children are
telling us that they do not feel safe because of the decisions that we
are making. I saw dozens of children at the strike with hand-painted
signs that said: “The seas are rising, and so are we.”
The change in the tide is coming. Young people are standing up,
demanding a new story for our world. They were joined, I noticed, at the
climate strike by their grandparents and their parents. Our youth and
elders joined by a clear vision of what is right, too young and too old
to feel enslaved by the rules that we have invented for ourselves. They
know the story that has guided the last 100 years in this province is
failing us.
The story of separation and accumulation, above all else, has
driven us to maximize individual production and personal self-interest.
It demands continued consumption and economic growth and ignores the
fact that infinite growth is not possible on a finite planet. It is a
recipe for despair, but adults have been fully steeped in it. We absorb
it and act like it is the only way. If you don’t believe that we are all
separate — separate from each other, separate from nature, that more for
me is less for you…. It drives competition, a failing urge to control
and dominate.
To paraphrase the writer Charles Eisenstein, we need a new story
that recognizes interdependence, a belief that my well-being is directly
related to your well-being, to the well-being of the river, the forest,
the salmon, and to the well-being of children — an understanding and
acceptance that what we do to the world, we do to ourselves. Even if we
can physically survive after the last orca or the last caribou or the
last steelhead has gone extinct, when life around us withers and dies,
what kind of life have we left for ourselves?
Why is it that people with more than their fair share of money and
power still feel depressed and empty? Deep down we all know what is
actually important. It is love, it is connection, it is family, it is
community, and it is life. But despite this wisdom, we make the most
important decisions in our province from a place of indifference,
separation, degradation and desperation.
[2:55 p.m.]
I can see that our confidence in this system is falling apart. It
is eroding from the inside. I know it doesn’t feel good. It doesn’t feel
good to protect caribou at the same time that you’re seeing the
destruction of their habitat. It doesn’t feel good to work towards
reconciliation at the same time that Indigenous newborns are separated
from their mothers. It doesn’t feel good to advance climate action at
the same time as voting to support the biggest point source of
greenhouse gas emissions in the history of this nation.
I know it’s not easy. You feel powerless to the larger powers.
Never mind the fact that most people think that we are the larger
powers. You feel caught in a system that leaves you no choice, tied to a
vote that is truly not your own.
It doesn’t have to be this way. A more beautiful world is
possible. We get glimpses of it every now and then in love, in nature,
when we are with our children — experiences that make us feel alive,
that remind us that a brighter future is actually within reach. These
feelings don’t have to be scarce. They can guide how we
govern.
It looks hopeless, as we near the end stages of the old story. But
it is also an opportunity for us to write a new story. Our new story can
be enriched with the lessons that we’ve learned from the past. We can
have a revolution for life, for a province that is prosperous and
healthy, for a province that is safe for our children and for their
grandchildren.
Voting to support Bill 10 is not just voting for more money, the
story that we’ve been told over and over again. It is also voting for
all of the additional hard decisions associated with expanding major
fossil fuel extraction in a climate change future. It is voting to push
our province to the brink. I, for one, along with my colleagues, will
vote against Bill 10. I choose to stand with the children and the elders
who believe in a brighter future instead. It’s not too late for every
member in this room to stand with us.
We can go all in on CleanBC, implementing first phase of policies,
fully and urgently, while we detail where the remaining 25 percent
emissions reductions would come from, a task made much easier without
LNG Canada in the equation. We can set ambitious goals for our province,
joining the other leaders around the world who have committed to being
powered by 100 percent renewable energy by 2035.
We can export our expertise and experience and help other
jurisdictions follow suit. We can be leaders, rather than the laggards
who will be looking out from B.C. and looking out from Canada at the
rest of the world reaching their climate goals while we double down on
the energy of the 20th century and a fossil fuel industry that needs
taxpayer support in order to survive.
We can support British Columbians as they find a sustainable job
that is right for them and their communities. We can learn from local
and traditional knowledge.
We will continue to work on the many initiatives that matter to
us: protecting salmon and protecting the watersheds that they depend on;
bringing a new vision forward for forests for B.C.; continuing to track
the progress and changes to environmental assessment and professional
reliance that begin to restore trust in government decision-making;
pushing for better policies and initiatives that will address the
humanitarian crisis of the overrepresentation of Indigenous children in
government care; working to bring forward the possibilities that abound
in CleanBC and to truly transform B.C., changing everything from how we
build buildings to how we get around our communities and around the
province.
With that, I would like to move an amendment:
[That the motion for second reading of Bill (No. 10) intituled
Income Tax Amendment Act, 2019 be amended by deleting all
the words after “that” and substituting therefore the
following:
“Bill (No. 10) not be read a second time now but that the subject
matter be referred to the Select Standing Committee on Finance and
Government Services.”]
On the amendment.
[3:00 p.m.]
S. Furstenau: I am moving this amendment because I believe it is essential that
we exhaust every opportunity to hear from the communities and the people
across our province on this issue. I think it is important that everyone
understands the choices that we are making, and that in passing this
legislation, we are choosing to pursue a taxpayer-supported expansion of
the fossil fuel industry instead of pursuing a new vision for our
province. If the student protests of a couple weeks ago are any
indication, there is much this government needs to hear.
I’m going to speak for a few minutes to the amendment, and I’m
going to reflect on something a little bit different than what I’ve been
talking about so far. I’m going to reflect on the Westminster
parliamentary system.
I spent many years studying medieval history, and it was during
the Middle Ages that the origins of our system came from — the system
that we work in right now, the traditions that we work within. Today the
Lieutenant-Governor occupies a largely ceremonial role most of the time.
But the foundations of parliament came from a desire to put a check on
the absolute powers of the King or the Queen.
The idea was that parliamentarians would represent the interests
of the people and that, while in the beginning stages of the Westminster
parliamentary system “people” may have been rather narrowly defined at
the time as male landowners, the foundations of parliamentary democracy
have within them both an extraordinary opportunity and an enormous
burden of responsibility. The opportunity is for representation of the
views, the wishes, the perspectives and the well-being of constituents
within the halls of parliament, a true reflection of representative
democracy. The burden is that we all have to do our best to balance the
differing views, wishes and perspectives of our constituents while
keeping the well-being of all citizens at the forefront of our
minds.
I would argue that the parliamentary democracy in our province and
our country has become distorted by partisan, party-oriented politics.
How does this translate? It means that MLAs not only have to consider
the differing views, wishes and perspectives of constituents as well as
the well-being of all citizens; they also have to put the interest of
their political party into their deliberations.
In Canada and in B.C., this has increasingly translated into a
concentration of power in the office of the Prime Minister or the
Premier — the exact opposite of what parliamentary democracy was
originally created to do, which is to put the power into the hands of
every member of parliament. This leaves MLAs and MPs in a position where
they need to vote with their parties even if they don’t agree with the
position being put forward.
Now, let’s look at what’s happening in Britain right now. I
checked right before question period. MPs are voting on a variety of
options for a path forward from the quagmire that they are in because of
Brexit. They’re choosing from eight options, including having another
referendum.
How is it that they’ve gotten to this place? Well, the Prime
Minister kept bringing forward her plans for Brexit, and the parliament
and the parliamentarians within her own party and outside of her party
disagreed with her and disagreed with the plan that she put forward and
said: “No, we’re here to represent our constituents and the well-being
of this entire country. We are not going to vote with you just because
you’re the Prime Minister.”
They have demonstrated the way that a Westminster parliamentary
system is supposed to work, in that every member of the parliament has
exactly the same power as every other member. Whether you’re the Premier
or the backbencher in the opposition or the backbencher in the
government party or one of a three-member caucus, your vote is exactly
1/87 of the votes in this House.
[3:05 p.m.]
I say to each of the 83 MLAs in the other two parties: understand
that you as an MLA have the same amount of power in this chamber as
every other member, and you have every right to exercise your vote and
your power exactly the way you want to do it. You should exercise that
vote and that power in a manner that reflects the many views, the
opinions and the perspectives of your constituents, while also putting
the well-being of all citizens and all future citizens at the centre of
your decision-making.
I’ve made an extensive case for the need for us to choose a
direction for our province that leads us to a clean, prosperous,
healthy, safe future — a future that we can be proud to leave as a
legacy for future generations.
I’ve made the case to recognize that adding the single biggest
point source emitter of greenhouse gases in the country’s history in
2019 makes no sense. We will be remembered for this moment. We will be
looked back on in this moment, and it will be recognized that we made a
choice that does not serve the well-being of every citizen of this
province, and it certainly does not serve the well-being of every future
citizen of this province.
It’s 2019. The science is clear. There’s no debate. We need to
dramatically reduce our greenhouse gas emissions starting now, not
dramatically increase them by giving government funds, taxpayer support,
to an industry that only survives if it is subsidized.
It feels like we’re in a topsy-turvy world right now. It feels
hard to believe that we’re even debating this. It feels like an enormous
burden that we are trying to explain this to young people around B.C.
and around this world that we are making this decision knowing what we
know.
I am putting forward this amendment to refer this bill to
committee, and I am making the case for every MLA to recognize that you
can exercise your responsibility. You can exercise your power. You can
choose to do what you know is the right thing.
Eighty-five percent of Canadians want to see their governments
take action on climate change. That is an overwhelming majority of
Canadians who are asking us as the elected representatives to do what
they know needs to be done. We must act quickly. We must take this
threat seriously.
I put this amendment forward. This is an opportunity for everyone
in this House, everyone in this chamber to say, “I can do the right
thing,” because we know that the right thing is not to increase our
emissions at this time.
A. Weaver: I rise to speak in support of the amendment brought forward by my
colleague from Cowichan Valley, the amendment to send Bill 10 to the
Select Standing Committee on Finance and Government Services for further
review and deliberations.
Let me see if I can articulate in the words of the Minister of
Agriculture exactly why this is important to do so. The Minister of
Agriculture, back in April 6, 2016, said this — and this was in
reference to the B.C. Liberals at the time: “They’re creating reckless
legislation, which, in my mind, as someone who has always been an
environmentalist, is absolutely reckless, irresponsible and
disappointing. They’re creating this reckless legislation. They’re
sweetening the deal as much as they possibly can, treating LNG like a
loss-leader in a department store.”
Oh, how those words ring so very true right now. Those words ring
so very true, but no, it is not with reference to the B.C. Liberals. It
is with reference to this government of which the Minister of
Agriculture is a member.
[3:10 p.m.]
We go to others who have spoken forth. We go to the
Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, who has come
up with some remarkable zingers while she was in opposition. “It’s just
utterly ridiculous and irresponsible and reprehensible to sell out
British Columbians for the next 25 years, not just for this industry but
potentially others as well,” she says.
“People in my part of the world” — that would be Nelson — “view
the environment and long-term environmental sustainable planning as one
of the top priorities that any government should be considering, and
that is not reflected in Bill 30,” at the time. “What is reflected,
rather, is a desperate, desperate grasp at any deal put in front of them
because promises were made in an election.”
Now, as I articulated yesterday, in further deliberations at
second reading, and in support of both my reasoned amendment and my
colleague from Saanich North and the Islands’ attempted amendment — an
unsuccessful one — to hoist this, what is before us now is an amendment
to send this to committee.
To send this to committee is important for a couple of reasons.
We’ve heard a lot about the so-called benefits of LNG. We’ve heard about
$23 billion of investment. And we’ve been told to “trust us. We know
that’s true. But we’re not going to share that publicly because we’ve
signed an agreement with a company.”
The government is not willing to put before this Legislature the
detailed agreement that we are supposed to be supporting. We know that
by going to committee, and only if this were to be sent to committee,
would we be able to reflect and further quiz, as a Legislature, the
government and proponents about the details of the plan. It’s an
eminently reasonable suggestion. We’ve waited for so long, yet now we’re
being rushed, in two days, to try to deliver what Christy Clark
couldn’t. In essence, that’s the stick.
Here’s what happened. After the last election, I’m sure LNG Canada
was a little antsy because the Liberals left and they were the champions
of LNG. Unicorns, tooth fairies — all in your backyard. Maseratis for
each and all of us. A $100 billion prosperity fund — that was the
Liberal dream. When that election happened, LNG Canada was probably a
little hurting.
Here’s what I’m pretty certain happened. A bunch of executives
walked into the newly formed NDP government office and said this: “We’re
going to leave unless you do this, this, this — that and this and this.”
The NDP government’s response was: “Okay, let’s just do it. Let’s not
reflect upon what the numbers are that you’re suggesting. We’ll believe
it at face value.”
Here now we have before us a motion to send this to committee to
allow, for the first time, this Legislature to probe the proponent, to
probe government as to the numbers and the rhetoric that’s thrown out
there, to probe to see to what extent those numbers are actually
grounded in evidence.
To the credit of the B.C. Liberals, we actually had that
opportunity with the Petronas agreement. As I recalled yesterday, time
after time, MLA after MLA hurled abuse and vitriol at the B.C. Liberals.
These were NDP MLAs doing that, because they didn’t like what they saw
in the Petronas agreement. Yet here before us, the B.C. NDP take that
corporate welfare to a whole new level.
The blog post that I’ll be writing later today describes it as
this: this is corporate welfare on steroids — on steroids. We’ve already
given $6 billion in deep-well royalty credits to the natural gas
producers. We already know that this is an industry for which there’s a
glut of natural gas globally, where Iran has 20 times all of Canada’s
supply, where Russia has 20 times all of Canada’s supply, where
Australia already has LNG fields that are not being developed because
the market is not there for them. We know that the U.S. has three times
the shale gas of Canada alone. We know that Louisiana already has clean
compression, electric compressions.
[3:15 p.m.]
We know that this government doesn’t really like that because they
want to refer to LNG Canada as the cleanest in the world and exempt them
from the carbon tax increases above $30. They’ll redefine what “clean”
is and forget about the fact that there are electric compressions
elsewhere.
Most importantly, what this committee needs to reflect upon is not
just the so-called benefits but the actual costs. What is the cost of
the decertification of southern Europe? What is the cost of 80 percent
of species on this planet being committed to extinction by the end of
this century?
These are the questions that MLAs in government need to look at
and ask themselves. They can put their faces in their paper. They can
stay away from the chamber. We don’t even have quorum here on the
government side in the chamber because they’re afraid to hear the truth.
We have quorum in total; we don’t have it on the government’s side in
terms of the number of people. We do have quorum. I’m not calling
quorum, hon. Speaker. It’s there.
Frankly, we don’t have the government MLAs here that are supposed
to deliver us the quorum because they’re afraid to actually have to
listen to the cold, hard truth about what they’re going to
support.
Eighty percent species extinction this century globally because of
global warming. Commitment to a six-metre sea level rise because of
global warming. Vector-borne diseases moving northward because of global
warming. Forest fires like we’ve never seen before because of global
warming. Drought, famine because of global warming. Frankly, the end of
western civilization because of global warming.
Yet here in this chamber, we think it’s a balancing act. We need a
couple of jobs, a hundred jobs, and we need to subsidize a multinational
fossil fuel company that has no interest in British Columbia but is
interested in filling the coffers of the shareholders in the Bahamas,
the Cayman Islands, perhaps in the Netherlands. Yet this is being done
for the goodness of the people of British Columbia.
Nobody talks about the cost. Nobody is talking about the cost. And
let us be very clear: this is what B.C. NDP MLAs will be voting for
today. They will be voting for putting this province on the pathway to
join the biggest subsidizers of the fossil fuel industry in the world
and to put us on a path from climate leaders to become climate laggers —
a very serious accusation.
You do not tell British Columbians that you must cut your
emissions by 98 percent by 2050. Every British Columbian must cut their
emissions by 98 percent by 2050 to meet our target. “But, LNG Canada,
you’re good, because we are going to let you add four megatonnes.” And
then they’re going to add another two trains later this decade. This is
what we’re doing.
All of the good hard work of every British Columbian in this
province is for naught. It’s for naught because this government…. These
NDP MLAs stood in the last election and had the gall — yes, the gall —
to look British Columbians in the face and say: “We are
environmentalists. We care about your future. We care about the climate.
We care about the children’s future.”
Yes, I am invoking the children’s future because that is the very
reason why I got into this building in the first place. I could not
stand by in 2013 after witnessing the now Finance Minister, who was the
former leader of this party, run the Axe the Tax campaign in 2009, a
cynical, cynical campaign to undermine efforts to move us forward to cut
emissions. I could not stand by and watch what happened in
It was tough running as a B.C. Green. It was tough, because the
NDP sent in their hundreds of union workers to door-knock in Oak Bay
because they didn’t want a beachhead. They switched — the famous
weathervane switch — on Kinder Morgan because they were about
environmental support. They’re going around meeting with environmental
groups, saying: “We’re here for you.” But when actual legislation is
before us, the true colours of the B.C. NDP are revealed.
They are not interested in the well-being of future generations.
They are interested in the well-being of their friends, their union
workers and, frankly, their re-election. I say to the NDP MLAs who vote
for this, shame on you. Don’t you, for one second, ever come to me and
say you are supporting climate change action in this
province.
[3:20 p.m.]
This vote today — this singular vote today — will undermine all of
the good efforts contained in CleanBC. We will add four megatonnes of
emissions, the single biggest point source of emissions in Canadian
history, to British Columbia’s emissions trajectory. We will add a 15
percent increase in emissions because of a four-train LNG facility.
Don’t get me wrong. The pretence and the half-truths being told to the
B.C. public about this being only a two-train facility are nothing more
than idle rhetoric, because we know the environmental assessment process
has already approved four trains for LNG Canada, and that’s eight
megatonnes of emissions.
Any NDP MLA who stands up and votes for this…. There will be a day
of reckoning, not only by the electorate but also by history. Historical
books will be written, and this time will feature big and large in the
history books, this time in British Columbia where we had a choice to
make. We have two paths and two roads. One road is the road that we’ve
tried so very hard to get the NDP to get behind, and they have in some
sense — the road to recognize that innovation in the 21st century is the
foundation of a vibrant, resilient, strong economy for that 21st
century. That is where our strength is at. We build on our strategic
strengths. We don’t chase the weaknesses of others.
It is only through sending this to committee that we will be able
to explore this in further detail, which is why this amendment must be
supported by the B.C. NDP and, hopefully, some B.C. Liberal members. I
know there’s discomfort over there as well.
We’re not asking much here. My colleague from Cowichan Valley is
simply asking that we as legislators do our due diligence. We have a
duty and responsibility to future generations to ensure we reflect upon
the true costs of what’s coming before us. Not just the idle rhetoric
that is untested with no foundations and no evidence that somehow this
is $23 billion. Not because the Premier gets to stand up and say: “I got
to do what Christy Clark couldn’t.” Those are not reasons.
History will not be kind to this government. This government will
be short-lived, and history will judge it accordingly. They’ll judge it
as betraying an entire generation.
What we saw today in question period is really a microcosm of the
bigger issue. We saw in question period haggling back and forth across
the aisle. “We didn’t do ride-hailing. You didn’t do ride-hailing.
You’re bad. We’re bad. Oh, make fun of you. You make fun of
us.”
The reality is none of the people in this place did anything about
ride-hailing. It’s only because of the B.C. Green caucus that we got to
where we are and the countless hours we put in to drive this government
to insist upon standing committees meeting, to insist upon bringing in
regulations that will allow ride-hailing, to insist upon the
introduction of an amendment that my colleague brought forward in the
fall. If that amendment had not passed, we wouldn’t even be here
talking. We know that both major ride-hailing companies would have
walked if it were not for that amendment passing.
We continue to work hard with this government to try to advance
good public policy, but here we throw up our hands. We throw up our
hands in disbelief at the cognitive dissonance embodied by the NDP right
now as they stand up and claim to be there for the
environment.
They claim and have the gall to talk about the future generations.
To see NDP MLAs clamouring over each other to get stuck in a photo shoot
with the young children demonstrating here on the steps is enough to
make you want to throw up. It honestly is. It is sickening to the core —
the hypocrisy of the B.C. NDP MLAs standing with those children pleading
for decision-makers, pleading for them to look out for their interests.
We have a global movement of youth calling upon our leaders to stand up
and actually put their interests in the decision-making, because they’re
not here to be able to vote. They’re not part of our decision-making
process, yet they live the consequences of the decisions we
make.
None of us in this room — not a single one of us in this room —
will have to live the consequence of the decision we’re making today.
That consequence will manifest itself on the future generations, and God
help them with the world we are leaving behind because of our
irresponsible and utterly reckless approach to energy policy.
[3:25 p.m.]
I had hope for this government. I had a hope, when I saw CleanBC,
that this government actually got it. But what I see now is they are no
different. I would pull out a coin and flip it, but that would be
considered a prop. What I would say by that is we have one coin in this
House. We have one coin with two sides, and they’re exactly the same on
both sides.
Ironically, the B.C. NDP take the Liberal giveaway to a whole new
level. I might add some additional colour to that and suggest we have a
fiscally irresponsible version of the same LNG cheerleaders over here,
because they’ve taken the level of corporate welfare to a whole new
level.
That, again, coming back to this motion, is precisely why it is so
critical that we send this bill to committee — to ensure that the
Legislature, all of us, can actually reflect upon the decision we’re
making. Has there ever once in the history of this Legislature been an
expert climate scientist pulled in front of a committee and told: “Tell
us. What are the ramifications of our decision on future generations?” I
safely say no. How many times have you pulled in an economist and said:
“How much would our GDP change three years from now?” I’d say a
lot.
How often, in decision-making that happens here, do we think
about: “Will I get re-elected because of this?” An awful lot. In fact, I
feel it’s fairly safe to say that most people in this place, sadly, are
more interested in their re-election than they are in actually putting
in place good public policy that will ensure that future generations
inherit the quality of the environment that we were blessed to inherit
from our forefathers.
Here today we are at this pivotal moment. It’s a moment that I ask
each and every MLA to reflect upon, as my colleague from Cowichan Valley
so beautifully articulated. Why are we here? What is a Westminster
parliamentary democracy? What is our role as MLAs? Is it to dutifully
stand like sheep because our Whip tells us we must vote this way? I’ve
sat here for six years now and probably seen people vote against the
party two times. Three times, maybe. One of them was when my colleagues
and I shared a difference of opinion on a vote. No other
time.
Why do we elect 41 NDP MLAs? Why bother? We should only elect
three of them. They all say the same thing. They all do the same thing.
They all stand like sheep and sing out…. I mean, we don’t see any kind
of negative rhetoric coming about this bill, even though, again, I could
go on with my 20 pages of quotes here. I could read more quotes, but I’m
not going to because we’ve got the point. The point is hypocrisy like
we’ve never seen before.
This government should be ashamed of itself. Those NDP MLAs who
vote for this should be ashamed of themselves.
Interjection.
A. Weaver: The member opposite says I should be heckled. No, I think that
that’s unfair. This is a very, very serious point that’s being raised.
I’m appealing to you as well. Why are you not standing up? Why are you,
the member from Delta North, not thinking…? You’re a farmer.
Deputy Speaker: Member. Member, no….
A. Weaver: Through the Chair. Thank you. I understand.
Why are we not having the agriculture community…? The Minister of
Agriculture, of all people — I’ve already read a quote — would stand up
and argue in an election campaign: “No, no, no. You’ve got to vote NDP,
because we’re there for the environment.” The Minister of
Transportation, same thing.
I don’t know how many times on the campaign trail I had to listen
to the vote-split narrative. “Oh, I’d love to vote Green, but I’m voting
NDP. You know what? They’re good for the environment too.” Well, today
is that day of reckoning. Show us. Show us what your real, true colours
are. Are your true colours that you are a progressive party, one that
cares about the future generations? Or, really, are you no different
from the B.C. Liberals, just the other side of the same coin? How do you
want to be remembered?
I’ll leave it with this: how do you want to be remembered in
history? Do you want history books to pick up and turn the page and see
the NDP member from this jurisdiction or that…? I know in which
jurisdictions you’re feeling it from your constituents, because I’m
getting copies of every single email going out. I know there are some
MLAs who are hearing it from their constituents. I know that those same
MLAs, if they actually voted their conscience, would stand up and
support their constituents and vote with this motion to send it to a
standing committee, because we know that that’s what their constituents
want.
Not all. I suspect the member for Peace River North is on pretty
safe ground. There seems to be cognitive dissonance out there in terms
of the fact that we’re talking about forest fires, we’re talking about
the caribou preservation, and we’re not putting the dots together. Why
do you think we’re having forest fires, for goodness’ sake?
[3:30 p.m.]
In 2004, I wrote a paper with Nathan Gillett and Mike Flannigan.
It was the first time we were able to detect that forest fires were
already increasing because of global warming. We knew that in 2004, for
heaven’s sake — 14 years ago. What’s the government’s response? “Oh, we
need more money to fight fires.” No, you’ve got the wrong response. What
you should be doing is recognizing that climate change is a very, very
real threat.
Fighting fires is no good. You must prevent fires in the first
place. But we don’t think that way in this place. We’re too narrowly
focused on re-election, short-term decisions, and we’re too narrowly
focused on: what’s in it for me, and how do I get a quick win? Nobody,
other than these three here, is thinking about the long-term
consequences of decisions here on future generations. That is a
shame.
[J. Isaacs in the chair.]
With that, I hope NDP MLAs and Liberal MLAs do some soul-searching
here as they think about this amendment and ask whether it is really
that big a deal to send this to committee, to allow the Select Standing
Committee on Finance and Government Services to actually reflect upon
it. Call in some expert testimony. Make a recommendation as to whether
or not this is actually, in the triple-bottom-line sense, good for
British Columbians, because I suggest to you that it’s not.
I suggest to you that it’s hard to have a vibrant economy on a
dead planet. I would suggest to you that we are putting ourselves right
on that pathway, and rather than recognizing the opportunity, we are
doing the very best we can to put us on this pathway to extinction. Is
that what we want here?
I know it’s a big reach from one LNG facility to extinction. I
recognize that. But what is important is to recognize that Canada is a
signatory to the Paris Accord. The Paris Accord says that the global
leaders, of which Canada is a signatory — our Minister of Environment
was very proud to fly off to Paris and have photo ops — are going to
take steps to commit warming to substantially below 2 degrees. Forget 1½
degrees. That’s long toast. But substantially below 2
degrees.
What does that mean, as I said yesterday? The direct translation
of that policy statement is that there can be no new investment in
fossil fuel infrastructures effective immediately, because you don’t
build a two-to-four-train LNG facility to tear it down in five years. We
have a legislated target of 80 percent greenhouse gas reductions by
2050, and we want to add four megatonnes, which will go to eight when
you get four trains, by 2030.
That’s a 15 percent increase on all B.C. emissions, yet we have a
legislated target to take us to 80 percent reductions. That means every
British Columbian must reduce their emissions 98 percent. I’m pretty
close to zero emissions as it is. But I challenge you to find every
other person in the province to go to 98 percent emissions. It’s going
be tough, and we’re making it tougher.
Let us look upon this upcoming vote. Let us look upon this
upcoming vote, and let’s think about this with sombre reflection. A vote
to not send this to committee is nothing short of a betrayal of future
generations, nothing short of a betrayal to the voters of British
Columbia and nothing short of a betrayal to the fiscal well-being of
this province as we put another corporate subsidy on steroids to a
fading fossil fuel industry that would not otherwise go on here in
British Columbia, while at the same time, and this is what is so sad
about it, missing out on those incredible opportunities for innovation
in the north — incredible opportunities that we could have.
I don’t know how many times we’ve brought forward ideas for the
north. Thank goodness we’re actually getting broadband redundancy in
Prince George now. We waited for the B.C. Liberals to do that for years.
We’re finally getting investment in broadband redundancy. We should be
getting the tech sector together with the resource sector. We should be
building on our forest sector. We shouldn’t be giving away our
resources. We should be thinking about all of this through the lens of
climate change adaptation and mitigation, because that is the defining
issue of our time, that many of you will be judged, and you will be
judged negatively.
With that, I ask and I plead with the members of this house. Vote
in support of this amendment. You’re only sending it to committee for
further deliberation. Thank you for your time.
[3:35 p.m.]
A. Olsen: I think that it’s important to acknowledge that my colleague from
Oak Bay–Gordon Head comes to this place with more time spent with
spreadsheets showing, painting, a picture, than perhaps all of us and
maybe all legislators in this country combined. The numbers have been
showing a picture for my colleague from Oak Bay–Gordon Head that has
created the sense of urgency that you see here today, the desire for us
to take just a few more months of time to take a look at this, to
perhaps maybe review some of the things that my colleague and, in fact,
his former colleagues and maybe some of his current colleagues, but
former colleagues in this field of climate change.
What we’re asking for here today is but a brief pause, a brief
moment to take a breath in this place, to not rush headlong into
insanity but to maybe pause just for a few moments to take a look at
some of the numbers that my colleague from Oak Bay–Gordon Head has been
trying to make sense of. He’s been trying to tell the people of this
province, the people of this country, the people of this world exactly
what we have and what we’re being faced with.
It’s tough to sit in this place. It’s tough to hear this message.
This is not a happy message. This is not a message that you deliver with
a big cake and say: “Congratulations. You are about to make a decision
that is going to take us one step closer to an extinction narrative that
nobody wants to hear anything about.” But that’s the decision. There are
all sorts of really feebly crafted and, in fact, very dangerous
narratives that are being spun out in order to distract from this. I
hear some of them.
I hear bits and pieces of them, that this is a more complex
decision than the one that, in fact, we have to make today. I want to
assure the members of this House that the complexity has been
manufactured by humans. It’s not really that complex. There are not
really labour issues that we need to deal with in this. There is not
really a jobs narrative that we need to deal with in this. There’s not
really a vote-counting or an urban-rural divide split narrative that we
need to be dealing with. That is a construct. It’s a construct of
political science. It’s not even science. It’s a pseudoscience.
Political scientists have created those constructs.
The only conversation that we should be having here today is one
about making a decision or not making a decision about sending us one
step closer to less biodiversity, a more dangerous world. We heard in
question period here today big, big words being talked about in this
place about safety. “We need to make sure that we’re safe. All British
Columbians need to know that they’re safe.”
Where is that conversation in the context of climate change? It’s
nowhere to be found. We don’t care if our children and our grandchildren
are safe. That is being spun under the rug in the discussion around
labour. That’s being spun under the discussion on the jobs narrative,
which became very, very popular under the former government.
It grew in popularity. It grew in popularity around the former
federal government. It’s the one that I heard Donald Trump talking about
this morning on the news. Jobs, jobs, jobs. What good are jobs going to
do in a world that you can’t live on? You can’t eat money. You can’t eat
jobs, and you can’t grow food in a world that has hostile growing
conditions.
[3:40 p.m.]
I want to do a little bit of correcting the record. Yesterday in
one of my speeches in the response to the amendment that I moved
yesterday, I attributed a quote that I heard to some chiefs from the
Nicola Valley. In fact, the quote that I heard came from a Democrat
presidential candidate, or maybe a future presidential candidate for the
Democrats, Pete Buttigieg.
Now, Pete Buttigieg is 37 years old. He’s a millennial and will be
the first millennial to run for president. He’s the eight-year mayor of
South Bend, Indiana. He’s gay, came out during his mayoral re-election.
It shouldn’t be an interesting fact, but the reason why it is an
interesting fact is because he’s a Democratic mayor in a red state, in
an industrial Midwest town in the middle of Trump country — in fact, in
Mike Pence’s state, the Vice-President.
He’s a pretty serious dude, for sure. He’s a pretty cool guy. I
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. Some of the things that
Pete was talking about — maybe President Buttigieg one day — were pretty
in line with the kinds of things that we’re talking about
today.
He was asked a question by Stephen Colbert. “You know, you’re a
young man, Pete. Why would you run now? Why not wait for a little bit of
salt and pepper” — till you looked a little bit like the member for
Saanich North and the Islands? “Just wait a few years, and maybe you’ll
look a little bit more tired and have a little bit more cynicism in
you.”
He said: “You know what? Look, the reality here is that I have
more experience than the current president, and it’s my generation
that’s going to be on the business end of climate change. It’s my
generation that’s going to be on the business end of climate change, so
why shouldn’t I be here at this time? It’s not about how old you are.
It’s about what the office needs at the moment and what you bring to the
table.” That’s the same challenge that I think we are faced with
here.
He also pointed out that economically, the millennials are the
first generation that are going to make less than their parents’
generation did. Now, what does that say about their parents’ generation?
I think it says a lot less about millennials than it does, say, about
the parents and the grandparents.
What it says is that there has been a pretty devastating
philosophical approach here, just cleaving to short-term decision-making
— the kinds of discussions that have been going on and are still going
on in this place, despite the fact we don’t want to think about it. We
don’t want to actually agree that that’s what has been going on. He
finishes that little bit by saying that no one has more at stake right
now than the young people, so why not elect the young people.
Why did I go through that? I go through that because he says in
this…. He gets asked a question at the very end of the interview.
Colbert references President Trump, and he says that President Trump is
about to call a national emergency right now about the border
wall.
He says: “Pete, what would you consider a national emergency?” And
Pete Buttigieg says this: “What I consider a national emergency is the
two incidents that happened 18 months apart in my town. One was for a
1,000-year flood, and the other was for what we were told was a 500-year
flood, which means either I have preposterous statistical luck, or we
have a problem with climate change that’s not just happening on the
North Pole. It’s happening in communities like mine. That’s an
emergency.”
[3:45 p.m.]
So why would I confuse that with chiefs from the Nicola, you might
ask? It’s because we were standing on the side of their river, and they
talked about the preposterous statistical luck that they have, where
they also experienced back-to-back, multigenerational floods in
consecutive years, devastating their community, shutting their community
off. In order to get from the Lower Nicola Band to Merritt took five
hours because they had to drive all the way around. It’s a five-minute
drive, for those of you that know the geography. This devastated their
community for weeks.
The reason I got confused was because within the space of a week,
I’d watched this video and I’d met with chiefs, and they basically told
me the same thing. One was in South Bend, Indiana. The other was in
rural British Columbia.
Those of us who are defending rural British Columbia, the
defenders of rural British Columbia need to open their eyes to the fact
that this is happening in our own backyard in rural British Columbia. We
think that we need to deliver the people of rural British Columbia jobs
— a jobs narrative. What we need to deliver the people of rural British
Columbia is the same level of safety that is being purported by this
government through their decision on ride-hailing and the defence that
we heard earlier today in question period.
I’m glad that I was able to correct the record on that, and I’m
sorry to the Chief of the Nicola. I’m sure that he may not mind me
mixing up him with a presidential candidate. But nonetheless, I want to
point out that what we are hearing here is we’re hearing from chiefs who
have done an incredible job of leadership and another incredible leader
down in the United States, a young man who’s running for president at
37. I’ve not seen anyone in this province with the kind of leadership
qualities that I see in many of the chiefs, as they do more with less in
their communities.
I think that it’s important, as we look at the amendment that we
have in front of us, to ensure that we have the opportunity to be
thoughtful in our processes here. I’ve been quite happy with the
processes that are undertaken in the committees, where multiple parties
can get together and have this conversation, ask the questions, bring
the experts in and ask them to provide us advice. It’s still up to
government to heed the advice. They may or they may not, but at least we
can say that we’ve done the work. At least we can look the children in
the eyes and say: “Yes, we’ve done the work.”
There’s another aspect of this which I really want to highlight;
that is, somehow we have allowed the oil and gas industry here to hijack
the word “industry.” The two have become synonymous. They are not
synonymous. The reason I know they’re not synonymous is because I have
industry in my riding that’s not oil and gas and that does brilliant
work. In fact, I’ve been going on a tour of the businesses in my riding
— in Keating Business Park, in the Sidney–North Saanich industrial
park.
The combination of those two business parks generates about $1
billion. Again, I want to emphasize the “b” in “billion” because we hear
that we need to do that from the oil and gas industry, to emphasize what
kind of impact they’re having. But there’s $1 billion worth of economic
activity that is being generated out of two business parks in my riding.
We’ve got high tech. We’ve got medium tech. We’ve got low tech. We’ve
got clean tech. We’ve got every kind of company that you can think
of.
We’ve got companies that are making stuff out of plastics. Yes, I
understand that that starts as a fossil fuel. We’ve got companies that
are making innovations in MRI machines.
Absolutely, my riding isn’t the only one that has industry. Thank
you to the member for Cowichan Valley for reminding me of Pacific Energy
Stoves and Live Edge, industries in the riding of Cowichan Valley. We
look at the ridings across this province, and I’m sure that we can have
a discussion about the incredible businesses that are generating revenue
there.
[3:50 p.m.]
I want to do everything I can. If we are going to fracture
conversations here — good word, “fracture” — then let’s fracture the
connection that’s been made between industry and oil and gas so that the
two are just synonymous. Meaning that we can actually have a
conversation about industry in this province and it not be only in the
context of oil and gas, because there’s a level of an absurdity
there.
We’ve got manufacturing companies, design companies. We have
critically important job creators, innovators, investors, entrepreneurs.
These are people that create jobs, that are creating jobs in this
province right now, that are making the difficult decisions about
whether they feed themselves or create the next opportunity for their
employees to eat. We know that, as entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs make
decisions that sacrifice their own well-being often in order to be able
to support the families that they have hired.
What’s so frustrating about this? In addition to…. Not only have
we allowed the oil and gas industry to hijack this word “industry,” but
those industries on the Saanich Peninsula have been asking the
government, for the last decade, to help them out. So it doesn’t matter
what brand of government has been in place. They have ignored those
industries.
When I was on municipal council, district of Central Saanich,
those businesses came to us, and they said: “We need help from the
provincial government in better transportation services, transit, to
connect where people live to where people work. We need more affordable
housing in the area, and we need to be able to attain housing. If they
can’t attain housing, then we need to be able to get them transported
out to here, and we need access to better skilled labour.”
Now, what’s fascinating about this is that all levels of
government — it doesn’t matter whether it would be the former B.C.
Liberals or the current B.C. NDP — have talked about better transit,
have talked about better housing and have talked about increasing
investments in skilled labour. Yet for years, a decade, those businesses
on the Saanich Peninsula have been asking for the government’s support
to get access to those three things, and the pleadings of those
companies have fallen on deaf ears. Why, after a decade, are they still
asking for the same thing, the same three messages?
I did a podcast with a friend of mine, John Jurisic. He’s been
leading that charge. We talked about how frustrating it has been that
the same message be delivered over and over and over again and nobody do
anything about it.
Instead, what are we doing? Instead, we’re up, chasing LNG
companies, chasing gas down well holes, chasing them all over the
province in order to be able to land the big unicorn in this province.
We’ve got people who have invested in this province today asking for the
support of their provincial government, asking for access to the
resources that they need to be able to not just get by but to thrive, to
hire more people, to create more prosperity in this province.
We’ve got this jobs government and anti-jobs government narrative
that’s been going on, us versus them, black versus white, good versus
evil — the ongoing long-standing narrative of humanity, good versus
evil, in this place, split by this aisle that goes right down this
place.
Not once have they had anybody come out and offer a solution to
help them make their companies more prosperous. Not only have they been
ignored, but it goes a step further than that. They’ve had further
obstacles put in their way. They were hit with the employer health
tax.
“You know what? Thank you for doing what you’ve been doing. Thank
you for helping us out. Now, by the way, guess what. We are going to do
a giant tax shift. We’re going to take the MSP,” which nobody wants to
pay and needs to be gone…. It’s a regressive, crazy-making tax on
people. Wouldn’t call it a tax, because the last government didn’t do
taxes. They did other things. But nonetheless, it was a tax. “We’re
going to take that, and we’re going to shift it right onto businesses,
because it’s a great place to hide this tax. We’re going to call it
employer health tax. By the way, you need to remain competitive by
assuming that tax.”
That’s what they got. That’s the thanks that they got.
Interjection.
A. Olsen: That’s fine, but that’s the thanks that they got. It’s worse than
that, though, Member, my friend. It’s different than that.
[3:55 p.m.]
It goes further than that, because not only did they get hit with
the employer health tax, but they were hit with increased corporate
taxes. That happened. They were not given the break on the PST that the
LNG golden child was given. “Oh, don’t worry about it. You just don’t
pay PST. Everyone else: you compete with this PST.” LNG golden child,
big unicorn — no PST.
Carbon tax. “You don’t like that. Don’t worry about it. It’s all
good. We’ve got you covered. No worries. Electricity, hydro — no
worries. You know what? You can play a bunch of mathematical games and
stuff. That’s fine too. We’ll let that slide.”
The companies in my riding, not quite so lucky. They’re covering
on all of that. You know what makes me really just uncomfortable about
this whole thing? That LNG Canada not only had the gall to give that
list to British Columbia, but they said: “We also want a break on
tariffs of aluminum and steel from the federal government or else we’re
not going to come. We’ll throw a little fit over here in the corner if
you don’t give it to us.”
At a time when tariffs on steel and aluminum were being slapped
all over the place and the Prime Minister of this country was in Dofasco
or Stelco out in Hamilton with the steelworkers all around him, getting
pats on the back, saying, “I’m standing up for you,” they were talking
about letting LNG Canada off the hook for aluminum and steel
tariffs.
Those companies that are manufacturing state-of-the-art products
in my riding are telling me: “You know what? Those steel and aluminum
tariffs are a real burden on us right now.” Maybe not even in the way
you think, but because aluminum and steel from Asia is not coming on the
boat to the United States, it’s costing us more to get it, because we
have to have special shipping to get it here. It’s hurting them in a
bunch of different ways.
Not only do we give them that whole tax break, the $6 billion of
corporate welfare that we gave them to build housing and transit and to
train more skilled labourers, we’re also saying to them: “You’re going
to have to compete in a marketplace where you don’t get the kind of
steel and aluminum breaks that the golden boy gets.” I almost want to do
like a Ric Flair — whoo! — but anyway…. Well, I just did.
Compete away in a marketplace that’s tough and that we continue to
make tougher. We’re not going to help you out. We’re not going to do
what you want us to do. But we are going to celebrate you. We are. We’re
going to celebrate you. We’re going to celebrate the Viking heirs of the
world. When we need you, we’ll do a ribbon cutting there. But really,
we’re going to just allow this LNG, this massive project, to be built by
the partners in Asia and floated in chunks here.
Every single time they come to the table and say, “Give us more;
give us more; give us more,” we say: “We give you more; we give you
more; we give you more.” The people who’ve invested in this province are
looking at it and going: “What the…?” You fill in the blank.
I’m going to end with this. There’s a lot of misinformation about
what the B.C. Green caucus is — anti this, anti that, against this,
against that. It is misdirection. It’s misinformation, and it’s wrong,
because we are for the economy.
I think I just demonstrated that we are for a strong, vibrant
economy. We are also for a sane economy; a resilient, sustainable,
diversified economy and a modern agile, flexible economy, not one that
goes all in on grandpa’s technology. My late grandpa, may he rest in
peace.
[4:00 p.m.]
We are for social justice. Some will say: “You don’t support
labour. You don’t support social justice issues. You’re Greens. You
can’t support those because there’s another party that already does
that.”
Well, I want to tell the people of British Columbia and the people
in this room that yes, we do. Yes, we do believe in social justice
issues in this province. Yes, we do believe in protecting workers and
making sure that we look after our people and that we do it with love.
And we do it with compassion and that we’re empathetic. That is who we
are.
And yes, we are for healthy ecosystems, which is just absolutely
insane to even be saying those words out loud. We like clean air. We
really like clean water. We like plants and animals, and we like other
humans. We like biodiversity. We take great pleasure in walking through
healthy forests and standing on beaches that are not covered in plastic.
We like those things, and we support them.
We are a pretty balanced, thoughtful group here. This is not
insanity that you’re seeing coming out of us. We’re not throwing a fit
here for some small reason. We are making statements here. We’re asking,
through this amendment, to ensure that there is a thoughtful process in
this and not that we just usher this thing through, that we don’t just
accept the 18-page, or whatever it is, PowerPoint presentation — the
pitch that sold us this — and that we actually take some time and think
about it.
As a wise Indigenous proverb said: we didn’t inherit the earth
from our parents. That’s right. We are borrowing it from our children
and our grandchildren.
I want to come back to our children and our grandchildren. I want
to come back to those kids that were standing on the front steps. I want
to just say this. It’s not right that the children, our children, are
being turned into activists by the decisions that we make in this room.
They should be in school learning or in nature learning. My daughter
often learns in nature, not in a classroom. They should be feeling that
their learning matters.
As I made a comment in my previous statement, it’s a pretty sad
state when our youth are, like: “Ah, whatever.” I mean, I skipped school
for a lot of reasons. Well, a couple rea