Manitoba Hansard — 9 November 2023 (Sitting 1, 43rd Legislature, 1st Session)

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Manitoba — Debates (Hansard)

First Session – Forty-Third Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Speaker of the Legislative Assembly Vol. LXXVIII No. 1 - 1:30 p.m., Thursday, November 9, 2023 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Third Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALTOMARE, Nello, Hon. Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma, Hon Union Station NDP BALCAEN, Wayne Brandon West PC BEREZA, Jeff Portage la Prairie PC BLASHKO, Tyler Lagimodière NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian, Hon. Keewatinook NDP BYRAM, Jodie Agassiz PC CABLE, Renée, Hon. Southdale NDP CHEN, Jennifer Fort Richmond NDP COOK, Kathleen Roblin PC CROSS. Billie Seine River NDP DELA CRUZ, Jelynn Radisson NDP DEVGAN, JD McPhillips NDP EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni, Hon. St.

Johns NDP GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC HIEBERT, Carrie Morden-Winkler PC JACKSON, Grant Spruce Woods PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC KENNEDY, Nellie Assiniboia NDP KHAN, Obby Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP KING, Trevor Lakeside PC KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Dauphin NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom, Hon. Flin Flon NDP LOISELLE, Robert St. Boniface NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya, Hon. Notre Dame NDP MOROZ, Mike River Heights NDP MOSES, Jamie, Hon. St.

Vital NDP MOYES, Mike Riel NDP NARTH, Konrad La Vérendrye PC NAYLOR, Lisa, Hon. Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC OXENHAM, Logan Kirkfield Park NDP PANKRATZ, David Waverley NDP PERCHOTTE, Richard Selkirk PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP SALA, Adrien, Hon. St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHMIDT, Tracy, Hon. Rossmere NDP SCHOTT, Rachelle Kildonan-River East NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SIMARD, Glen, Hon. Brandon East NDP SMITH, Bernadette, Hon.

Point Douglas NDP STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STONE, Lauren Midland PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt, Hon. Concordia NDP WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC

1 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, November 9, 2023 The House met at 1:30 p.m. At 1:30 p.m., the Sergeant-at-Arms, carrying the mace in the crook of his arm and followed by the clerks of the Legislative Assembly, entered the Chamber. The Sergeant-at-Arms returned to the main entrance of the Chamber and shouldered the mace. The clerks took post on the west side of the Chamber, stood and awaited the arrival of Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor. Deputy Clerk (Mr.

Rick Yarish): I am pleased to advise the Asse mbly that I have received from the Chief Electoral Officer the lists of names of members elected to serve in the 43rd Legislature, and I am tabling those lists. The Premier and the aides -de-camp accompanied Her Honour to the Chamber in the following order: The honorary aides-de-camp on the right; The Premier; The Lieutenant Governor. At the main entrance, the honorary aides -de-camp halted and turned inwards to allow the Lieutenant Governor and Premier to proceed through the north doors, where Her Honour was met by the mace. Deputy Sergeant -at-Arms (Mr.

Cam Steel): Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor. The Lieutenant Governor then, preceded by the mace carried shoulder high and accompanied by the honorary aides -de-camp, proceeded along the wes t side of the Chamber to the throne. The Premier proceeded along the east side and stood on the floor on the east side of the Chamber. The honorary aides-de-camp took up their position on the east side of the throne. The Lieutenant Governor seated herself on the throne; the Sergeant-at-Arms made obeisance with the mace and retired to the east side of the Chamber. Hon. Anita R.

Neville (Lieutenant Governor of the Province of Manitoba): Please be seated. Hon. Matt Wiebe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I am directed by Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor to inform you that she will not declare the causes of calling this Legislature until a Speaker has been elected in accordance with the law. The Sergeant-at-Arms made obeisance with the mace. Preceded by the Sergeant-at-Arms, the Lieutenant Governor, accompanied by the honorary aides-de-camp and the Premier, exited the Chamber. The Premier returned.

The Sergeant -at-Arms placed the mace under the table and the clerks took their chairs at the table. Deputy Clerk: Members of the Legislative Assembly, welcome. Pursuant to the direction of the Lieutenant Governor and the Rules of this House, it is my duty to call upon you to elect a m ember to preside over your deliberations as Speaker. Only one candidate has declared their intention to seek the office of Speaker. That candidate is Tom Lindsey, the honourable member for Flin Flon.

Seeing as they are the sole candidate, in accordance with rule 8(2), I declare Tom Lindsey, the honourable member for Flin Flon, elected as Speaker of the 43rd Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The Premier and the Deputy Leader of the Official Opposition escorted the newly elected Speaker to the Chair and they were invested with the robes of office. The mace was then placed on the table. The Speaker (Hon. Tom Lindsey): Honourable members of the F orty-Third Legislative Assembly, I wish to thank the members for the high honour the House has conferred on me.

As I leave the floor of this House to take the Speaker's chair, I leave behind all political and partisan feelings. I intend to carry out the important duties of Speaker of the Legislative Assembly with 'impartionality' to the best of my ability. The Premier left the Chamber to meet Her Honour in the reception room. The Speaker: I am now advised that Her Honour is about to enter the Chamber. Please rise. The Sergeant-at-Arms with the mace returned to the north door. The Speaker took post on the east side of the Chamber.

2 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 9, 2023 Deputy Sergeant -at-Arms: Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor. The Lieutenant Governor, accompanied by the honorary aides-de-camp and the Premier, entered the Chamber, preceded by the Sergeant -at-Arms, and proceeded to and was seated on the throne. Hon. Anita R. Neville (Lieutenant Governor of the Province of Manitoba): Please be seated. The Speaker: Your Honour, the Legislative Assembly has elected me as its Speaker.

On behalf of the Assembly, it is my duty to claim all the Assembly 's traditional rights and privileges, especially the privilege of freedom of speech in debate and access to Your Honour when required. I ask you to give the most favourable consideration to the Assembly's proceedings. Mr. Wiebe: Honourable Speaker, Her Honour is confident that the Assembly' s proceedi ngs will be conducted with wisdom and prudence. In addition, Her Honour grants the Assembly 's claim to its traditional rights and privileges.

Her Honour will declare the causes of calling this Legislative Assembly on Tuesday, November 21 at 1:30 p.m. Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor rose from the throne to retire. The Sergeant -at-Arms made obeisance with the mace and preceded the Lieutenant Governor, accompanied by the honorary aides-de-camp and the Premier, towards the north doors of the Chamber. The Se rgeant-at-Arms remained at the north doors facing the throne. The Speaker then took the Chair. The Sergeant-at-Arms made obeisance with the mace before the Speaker 's chair and returned to the table and remained standing.

The clerks took their chairs at the table. The Premier returned. The Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we seek it with wisdom, know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen.

We acknowledge that we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline, Nehethowuk nations. We acknowledge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in partnership with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration. Please be seated.

Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): Honourable Speaker, I have two leave requests. First, could you please canvass the House for leave to allow me to move a sessional order motion today, without notice. Second, due to the length of the sessional order motion, could you please canvass the House for leave to dispense with reading of the full text of the motion when moving it, and for the motion to be considered as printed. The Speaker: Is there leave to allow the Government House Leader to move a sessional order motion today, without notice? Is there leave? [Agreed] Leave has been granted.

Is there leave to dispense with reading the full text of the motion when moving it, and for the motion to be considered as printed? Is there leave? [Agreed] Leave has been granted. MLA Fontaine: I move, seconded by the member–or the Minister for Municipal and Northern Relations, THAT the following sessional orders are to apply to June 3, 2024;–and THAT– Some Honourable Members: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense.

THAT the following sessional orders are to apply until June 3, 2024; THAT the Assembly 's customary procedures and practices remain in effect for Members situated in the Assembly Chamber and committee rooms unless otherwise noted; and

November 9, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3 THAT in the event of a discrepancy with the existing Rules, the provisions of these sessional orders are to apply. Virtual Proceedings 1 Notwithstanding the Rules, Orders and Forms of Proceedings of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba, the House and the Assembly 's Committees can meet from time to time in virtual proceedings using an approved videoconferencing technology platform. These meetings could include Members physically present in the Chamber or committee room and/or Members participating from locations outside of the Chamber or committee room.

Definitions 2 In these sessional orders "committee proceeding" means a meeting of the Assembly's Committees taking place in a committee room or the Chamber and/or remotely from locations outside of a committee room or the Chamber using an approved videoconferencing technology platform. "Moderator" means a Legislative Assembly employee acting under the authority of the Speaker to facilitate the remote participation of Members in the proceedings.

"sitting of the House" means a sitting of the House taking place in the Chamber and/or remotely from locations outside of the Chamber using an approved videoconferencing technology platform. "virtually" means participating in a proceeding of the House or any Committee using an approved videoconferencing platform, with all Rules and practices applying as if the Member was present in the Chamber or committee room. Quorum and attendance 3 Members who are participating virtually are to be counted as part of the quorum of 10 Members as set out in sub-rules 5(1) and 76(1) and

section 8 of The Legislative Assembly Act. Quorum count 4 If a quorum count is requested during a sitting of the House (

a) the division bells shall ring for one minute during which time the doors shall remain open and Members may enter the Chamber or join the sitting virtually; (

b) once the division bells stop, no further Members may enter the Chamber or join the sitting virtually, with the Moderator to block online access once the division bells have stopped; (

c) the Clerk shall then count and announce the number of Members present in their seats in the Chamber and those Members who are present virtually, including the Speaker; and (

d) if a quorum of Members is not present, the Speaker must adjourn the House for the sitting day. Notice to participate virtually 5 Members are to provide notice to the Moderator of their intent to participate virtually on any sitting day.

Audio and video functions 6 Members who are participating virtually must have their audio and video functions enabled with their faces identifiable in order to be included as part of the quorum, to participate in proceedings. 7 Members participating virtually must keep their audio muted until recognized by the Chair and should also mute their audio and turn off their video if stepping away from their screen. Use of electronic devices 8 Members participating in a sitting of the House or a committee proceeding may use electronic devices in silent mode.

During Oral Questions, such devices should be kept on the desk or table and out of the camera's view. Decorum on adjournment 9 When the House adjourns, Members present in the Chamber shall stand and remain in their places until the Speaker has left the Chamber, while Members participating virtually shall remain in their seat with their video on until the Speaker has adjourned the House. Order in addressing the Chair 10 Every Member in the Chamber desiring to speak shall rise in their place and address themselves to the Speaker. Members participating virtually should speak from a seated position once recognized.

Tabling of document 11 A Member presenting a report or document to the House while participating virtually must state that they are "tabling" a report or document, and must provide an electronic copy to the Moderator immediately. Motions to be in writing 12 All motions shall be in writing, except motions to adjourn a debate or to adjourn the House. This includes motions moved by Members participating virtually, which must be submitted electronically to the Moderator once moved.

4 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 9, 2023 Motions moved and seconded 13 Members must be in attendance, including virtually, to move or second a motion. Conduct during the putting of the question 14 When the Speaker is putting a question, all Members are to remain seated and are not to make any noise or disturbance. Request for recorded division 15 A recorded division on any question put to the House may be requested by (

a) a House Leader of a Recognized Party; or (

b) any Member with the support of three other Members, including Members participating virtually, who raise their hands to show support. No debate permitted 16 After all Members have been summoned to the sitting for a d ivision, no further debate shall be permitted. Conduct during stating of the question 17 No Member shall enter or leave the sitting whether present in the Chamber or participating virtually during the stating of the question, and may not leave the sitting during the final statement of the question until the division has been conducted and the result of the vote announced.

Time limit on division bells 18 Not more than one hour after directing that the Members be summoned to the sitting, the Speaker shall (

a) order that the division bells be turned off; (

b) state the question again; and (

c) immediately order the recording of the division. Eligibility of virtual Members to vote 19 As soon as the Speaker directs that the division bells be turned off, the Moderator shall take a screenshot of all Members participating virtually. Only those Members with their video turned on who are present in front of their camera at the time the screenshot is taken will be eligible to participate in the division. Requirement to vote 20 Every Member present whether in their seat or participating virtually must vote. Voting will first be conducted with the Members seated in the Chamber followed by the Members participating virtually. Conducting the vote 21 For the Members

part icipating virtually, the vote will be conducted by calling the names of Members individually starting with the Leaders of Recognized Parties and then alphabetically by surname, with each Member to say "I vote yes" or "I vote no" when their name is called. Request for recorded division in a Committee of the Whole House 22 A recorded division on any question put to a Committee of the Whole House may be requested by (

a) a House Leader from a Recognized Party; or (

b) any Member with the support of one other Member, including Members participating virtually who raise their hands to show support. Conducting the vote in Committee of the Whole 23 Recorded divisions requested in any Committee of the Whole House shall be conducted in accordance with sessional orders 20, 21 and 22. Raising of Points of Order and Matters of Privilege 24 Members participating virtually must signal the intent to raise a Point of Order or Matter of Privilege by contacting their Whip, Whip designate or the Clerks, who will then inform the Speaker.

Procedure on Point of Order 25 A Member addressing the House, if called to order by either the Speaker or on a Point of Order raised by another Member, shall cease deliberations and be seated, and if participating virtually shall mute their audio while the Point of Order is being stated, after which the Member may explain. Privilege rulings subject to challenge 26 The Speaker shall determine if a prima facie case of privilege has been established and provide the House with a rationale for this decisi on. Rulings of the Chair dealing with Matters of Privilege may be challenged by (

a) a House Leader from a Recognized Party; or (

b) any Member with the support of three other Members; including Members participating virtually who raise their hands to show support. Naming a Member 27 The Speaker shall be vested with the authority to maintain order by naming individual Members for disregarding the authority of the Chair and ordering a withdrawal from the Chamber or termination of virtual participation for the remainder of the sitting day.

November 9, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 5 Disregarding an Order of the Chair 28 In the event of a Member disregarding an Order of the Chair made pursuant to sessional order 27, the Speaker shall order the Sergeant -at-Arms to escort the Member out of the Chamber or direct the Moderator to terminate the virtual participation of the Member.

Suspension 29 A suspension under sessional order 28 shall be decided by the Speaker but shall not exceed two weeks, including virtual participation. 30 If a Member refuses to obey the Speaker's Order to accompany the Sergeant-at-Arms out of the Chamber, the Speaker must then advise the House that force is required to implement the Order. Any Member removed from the Chamber by force is then suspended from all sittings for the remainder of the session. Moment of silence 31 When a moment of silence is observed, Members present in the Chamber are to rise and the Members participating virtually to remain seated.

Presentations to Standing Committees 32 Public presentations to Bills at Sta nding Committees may take place remotely or in person, with presenters appearing either virtually or by being present in the committee rooms.

When appearing before a Standing Committee, representatives of a Crown Corporation or an Independent Office of the Assembly may participate in the meeting either in person or virtually. 33 Except by unanimous consent of the Committee, only the first two members of the public to register to present to a Bill who reside outside the province of Manitoba may present virtually to a Standing Committee considering legislation. There are no limits to out of province presenters who are physically present in the committee room for their presentation.

Election of a Speaker 34 Only Members physically present in the Legislative Chamber shall be eligible to receive a ballot paper and vote in the election of a new Speaker. Members may join proceedings virtually but will be unable to cast a vote. General Provisions 35 After adoption by the House, this Sessional Order may be amended only by (

a) unanimous consent of the House; (

b) passage of a subsequent Sessional Order by the House; or (

c) written agreement of all House Leaders of Recognized Parties if the House is not sitting. The Speaker: It is moved–it has been moved by the honourable Government House Leader (MLA Fontaine) and seconded by the honourable member for–Minister for Municipal and Northern Relations, THAT the following sessional orders are to apply– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. The motion is in order. The floor is open. Are there any Speakers? Is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question.

The Speaker: The question before the House is the sessional order motion moved by the honourable Government House Leader. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] The motion is accordingly passed. MLA Fontaine : Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister for Education , that this House do now adjourn. The Speaker: It has been moved by the Government House Leader, that this motion–seconded by the Minister of Education, that this House do now adjourn. Is it the pleasure of the House to adjourn–to adopt the motion?

Sorry. [Agreed] The House will now adjourn and stand adjourned until 1:30 p.m. on Tuesday, November 21, 2023, or the call of the Speaker.

LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, November 9, 2023 CONTENTS Election of the Speaker 1

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