Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 6 May 2008 (46th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLVI No. 22)

2008-05-06

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 6 May 2008 (46th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLVI No. 22)

2008-05-06

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

May

6, 2008

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS

Vol. XLVI No. 22

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Today the Speaker would like to extend a warm welcome to the hon. Todd

Broomfield, Speaker of the Nunatsiavut government, and Ms Mary Sillet, the Clerk

of the Nunatsiavut government.

Welcome to the House of Assembly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Speaker would also like to recognize and welcome

forty-four Grade 9 and Level I students from E.A. Butler All-Grade, Belanger

Central High, and Piccadilly High in the Districts of St. George's-Stephenville

East and Port au Port. The students are accompanied by their teacher Mr.

Strickland; guidance counsellors, Ms McDonald and Ms Greene, and chaperone, Ms

Morris.

Welcome to the House of Assembly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: Members' statements today will be from the hon. the Member

for the District of Bay of Island, the hon. the Member for the District of

Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair, the hon. the Member for the District of Ferryland,

the hon. the Member for the District of Bonavista North, the hon. the Member for

the District of Lewisporte and the hon. the Member for the District of Port au

Port.

The hon. the Member for District of Bay of Islands.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LODER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this great House today to recognize 2840 Templeton Collegiate Royal

Canadian Army Cadets.

Mr. Speaker, forty years ago the above school opened in the North Shore of

the Bay of Islands, of which I became a member of the cadet movement.

Mr. Speaker, the inspection will take place on May 10 and will be conducted

by Captain Robert Wheeler another past member of the Corp. Captain Wheeler of

Meadows returned home last year after serving six months as a reservist in the

war torn country of Afghanistan.

Upon his return, Mr. Speaker, Captain Wheeler took up a position with the

regular forces as Captain.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members here today to acknowledge the great work of

the cadet movement and in particular to the fortieth anniversary of the

Templeton Collegiate Corp. and best wishes to Captain Wheeler in his new

capacity.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in the House today to recognize the life of Dr. Peter Roberts, who

passed away on the 29 April, 2008.

Mr. Speaker, Dr. Roberts was a well known, respected doctor who served his

entire medical career caring for patients in Northern Newfoundland and Labrador.

His contribution to this region and the residents of my district in particular

will certainly have a lasting impact and his legacy will live on for years to

come.

Mr. Speaker, Dr. Roberts later served as the Executive Director of the

International Grenfell Association and was the only person from this Province to

hold that position. He also had the honour of serving as President of the

Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association and as the founding Chair of the

Community Foundation of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, there were many more layers to Dr. Roberts that went beyond just

being a medical doctor. He was a man of many talents and had great

determination. His will power was evident when he taught himself carpentry,

welding and sailmaking skills. He was also a painter and printmaker and took

gratification in recording our Province's coastal landscape.

However, Mr. Speaker, Dr. Roberts was above all a fantastic and dedicated

medical doctor. He was passionate about the Newfoundlanders and Labradorians

that he served and he sincerely wanted to enhance services to them.

Mr. Speaker, his triumphs and contributions are immense; however as a modest

man, he never sought recognition for his achievements. This may be because his

father, Dr. Harry Roberts taught him and his brothers that much was expected

from people whom were given much.

Mr. Speaker, it is with great honour today that I recognize the life of an

inspirational Newfoundlander and Labradorian. I ask all members of his hon.

House to join me in acknowledging the Province's immense loss and extend our

sincere sympathy to the family of the late Dr. Peter Roberts.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Ferryland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HUTCHINGS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to recognize and congratulate the Fermeuse-Port Kirwan Volunteer

Fire Department on their twenty-fifth anniversary. On Saturday, March 22, I had

the pleasure of attending a dinner to mark this occasion.

The Fermeuse-Port Kirwan Volunteer Fire Department consists of twenty-three

members and serves the area from Port Kirwan to Cappahayden. The contribution

that has been made by volunteers both past and present over the past twenty-five

years is indeed commendable.

Rural Newfoundland and Labrador in many places face challenges with

recruiting new volunteers and maintaining past levels. It was indeed encouraging

to see a good mix of young volunteer firefighters and experienced fighters in

the volunteer fire brigade that now make up the fire department. It certainly

bodes well to the future fire protection services in this area.

These individuals give freely of their time to the residents of our

communities so we can have someone to rely on in the event of an emergency. The

volunteer firefighter never knows what awaits when the alarm sounds, but they

respond without a moment's hesitation - day or night.

Mr. Speaker, much can be accomplished by co-operating and working together in

our rural communities. Joining together, taking up a common cause, working as a

unit for the benefit of others is what it means to be a firefighter and no doubt

the members of the Fermeuse-Port Kirwan Fire Department have done so for the

past twenty-five years.

I ask all hon. members to join with me in congratulating the Fermeuse-Port

Kirwan Volunteer Fire Department on their twenty-fifth anniversary and to thank

them for the contribution they are making to our communities.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Bonavista North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HARDING: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to offer support and best wishes

to Elizabeth Button. Elizabeth, a sixteen-year-old Level II student from

Wareham, will be representing our Province in the National Air Cadet Speak-off

taking place on June 19 in Quebec City.

This skilled orator won the right to carry the Newfoundland and Labrador

banner by taking top honours at the Provincial Air Cadet Speak-off held at

Gander - an event which pitted her against cadets from St. John's, Happy

Valley-Goose Bay, and Springdale.

Elizabeth's topic at the event was: A Canadian who has made a difference -

Nellie McClung. Elizabeth spoke with such passion and eloquence, that it is safe

to say that Ms McClung herself, one of our nation's most important leaders in

the suffrage movement, would indeed be extremely proud of her efforts and the

manner in which she carried herself throughout the competition.

Elizabeth is a student at Jane Collins Academy in Hare Bay, and she currently

holds the rank of Flight Sergeant in the 840 Indian Bay Air Cadet Corp.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join with me in

congratulating Elizabeth Button on her achievements and wishing her the very

best as she prepares to represent our Province in Quebec City.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Lewisporte.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. VERGE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Last week was officially recognized by the Minister Responsible for the

Volunteer and Non-Profit Sector as Volunteer Week, and I want to rise in this

hon. House today to recognize the tremendous work done by the many volunteers in

all our communities.

Since becoming an elected member in October, last year, I have attended

numerous community events throughout Lewisporte District. Whether the event is

hosted by a town council, a local service district, fire department, a Lions

Club or otherwise, there is one common element always present. Yes, there is one

stabilizing influence at each and every function - that is the volunteer.

Mr. Speaker, the safety of our citizens depends on the tremendous volunteer

commitment made by men and women in their respective fire departments. The

efficient operation of our towns depends on the volunteer service of its

citizens and the care of our people is made a whole lot lighter, thanks to the

huge contribution made by the many volunteers in the many service organizations.

Members of this House, please join with me in recognizing and showing our

appreciation for our volunteers.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port au Port.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. CORNECT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today in this hon. House to congratulate the winners and

the nominees at the recently held Stephen Awards Banquet in Stephenville. The

Citizen of the Year Award went to Dave Rex of Stephenville, who devotes

extraordinary time and effort to building and maintaining the community, making

this the second time he receives this award. Dave Rex is involved with the Lions

Club, St. John Ambulance, Duke of Edinburgh Program, Kindale Public Library

Board and the Indian Head Co-op Board of Directors.

Mr. Speaker, also presented was the Masters Athlete of the Year Award, of

which Don Cormier was the recipient. Don was recognized for his many years in

the sport. He is a power lifter and has competed on the local, regional,

provincial, national and international stage.

Other Stephen Awards presented that night were: Bryan Downey was named Male

Athlete of the Year; Kristen Cooze won the Female Athlete of the Year Award; and

Hillary Stacey was honoured with the Youth of the Year Award for her outstanding

voluntary work.

Mr. Speaker, sixteen Outstanding Volunteer Work Certificates of Merit were

also presented to individuals for their outstanding work in the community.

Congratulations to: Josephine Bennett; Larry Bentley; Kathleen Bourgeois; Norma

Childs; Muriel Chislett; Pansy Hayward; Michelle Heath; Dianna Kung; Bernice

McLean; Bob Miller; Lloyd Pye; Warren Quinton; Martin Simon; Chris Tiller; Alva

White and Bernadine White for their hard work and dedication and their

contribution in making our area a better place to live and work.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members of this hon. House to join with me in

congratulating all the award winners and nominees of the Stephen Awards on their

invaluable contributions to the community, their region, and the Province.

Flicitations et merci, Monsieur le Prsident.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Deputy Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform hon. colleagues and the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador that Ocean Choice International, OCI, will be

reopening the fish processing facility at Fortune in July.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, it is certainly very positive news that OCI

will reactivate the Fortune facility. It has been a difficult three years for

the community, but today we have some reason to celebrate. There is certainly

new hope for the people of Fortune, and our government looks forward to the good

things that lie ahead for that community.

OCI will be resuming a groundfish operation, focused on salt fish, at the

Fortune plant. Initially, the company will re-hire approximately thirty-five to

forty workers who were displaced when FPI closed the facility in 2005. Depending

on raw material availability, as many as seventy workers may be re-hired at a

later date.

Today's news is just another indication of how the sale of FPI is restoring

stability to the fishing industry. When the transaction was finalized, we knew

that our efforts would result in positive developments for all communities and

workers involved; and today the Fortune facility, for which FPI had no future

plans, has been given new life. While we recognize the challenges facing the

global seafood sector, we are certainly pleased to celebrate any gains and

successes that are achieved.

In addition to the Fortune facility, the plants at Burin and Marystown have

already recommenced operations since the provincial government signed MOUs with

OCI and High Liner in May 2007.

Mr. Speaker, since the Fortune facility closed in 2005, our government has

worked with the Town of Fortune to find a new operator for the plant and to ease

the difficulties endured by the residents.

From day one, we have been behind the displaced workers at Fortune. While we

explored future options for the facility, the community was able to benefit from

new workforce adjustment measures that were initiated by our government to

assist individuals affected by permanent plant closures.

Under the Fishing Industry Renewal Strategy, we have allocated $2.5 million

dollars over three years for workforce adjustment measures. Fortune, Port aux

Basques and Trouty have all benefited from this initiative.

This is another example of our government's commitment to respond in a

timely manner to the needs of fishery-based communities in rural regions.

Mr. Speaker, the provincial government will continue to stand shoulder to

shoulder with the communities and the workers who depend on the fishing

industry. We have helped to secure new futures for Harbour Breton, Marystown,

Burin and now Fortune, among the many others who continue to benefit from our

focused approach to fisheries and aquaculture development.

We will continue to implement this approach as we move toward a renewed,

self-sustaining fishing industry for Newfoundland and Labrador.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank the minister for a copy of his statement today.

Mr. Speaker, we are very pleased for the people of Fortune. We know that

since 2005 there has been a very difficult transition for the people in this

community. I have been there several times myself and had opportunities to be in

town hall meetings there with well over 100 plant workers, I say to the

minister, and hear their frustrations first-hand of what it was like when that

plant closed, and the transition that they have had to make.

We are very happy for them today, to know that there is a company that is

prepared to go back in, to take risks, to put more capital in, and to reopen

this plant and create jobs in the community. We certainly would applaud the

efforts of OCI and wish them tremendous success in this Province; because, Mr.

Speaker, if they are not successful then neither will be the communities and the

individuals that depend upon the kind of opportunities that they create.

Having said that, Mr. Speaker, we have to realize that we are in an industry

that is tremendously volatile on many occasions; today we are dealing with

issues around the shellfish industry and the crab pricing in particular.

I think, Mr. Speaker, while government may not have a role in directly

setting prices for crab in this Province, they have a role in finding out why,

on a global market basis, we are not able to purchase and export our product at

the same rates happening in other Atlantic regions in Canada.

I do not know why, in Newfoundland and Labrador, fishermen should have to

settle for a lower price than they are doing in Nova Scotia or in Prince Edward

Island, or in other places.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member to conclude her answer.

MS JONES: I certainly will, Mr. Speaker, and I would suggest to the

government that they may want to have a look at that and see what is

contributing to a lower price in this Province, and how we can increase the

price that we get in the market, Mr. Speaker, so that we are able to -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for the advance copy of his statement.

It is indeed very good, a wonderful announcement, an announcement that will

bring

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members for their co-operation.

The Chair has recognized the hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

As I was saying, I want to thank the minister for the advance copy and to say

it is indeed a very good moment for us here in the House and in the Province,

and especially in Fortune.

I would like to congratulate, actually, Ocean Choice International and the

Fish, Food and Allied Workers' Union, because they obviously worked well

together to come to this agreement, an agreement which has the workers

beginning, I think, at just over $11 an hour, which is a very good starting

rate.

It is a moment of hope for the people in Fortune. While government does not

have a direct role in running the fishery per se - we understand that - it does

have a role in working with the partners who are in the fishing industry. Doing

everything that we can to keep our renewable resource going is one of the things

that government has to become very, very serious about. This resource has always

been the backbone of our Province and when everything else is gone, when there

is no more mining, when oil is gone from that ocean and when gas has been

started and gone from that ocean, the fish should still be there.

Let this be a sign of hope that we can do that. I ask the government to work

with the partners involved in building on this for the future of the industry.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Since we are talking about the Town of Fortune, the Chair

would like to recognize Mr. Pat Parsons, councillor for the Town of Fortune, who

is visiting the Chamber today. Welcome.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further Statements by Ministers.

The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this House today to recognize National Mental Health Week which

officially runs from May 5 to May 11. This year the focus is on the role of

businesses and employers in supporting good mental health in the work place.

This year's theme is, "Mental Health: Make it Your Business."

We now know that good mental health is not just the absence of a mental

illness, but the overall ability to feel, to think, to communicate, to live and

to be happy. When we experience good mental health we are better able to reach

our full potential and have a good quality of life.

Our government recognizes the importance of good mental health as a part of

overall health and well-being and we have made significant progress since

supporting mental health in Newfoundland and Labrador. One of the first steps we

took as a government was to introduce a new policy framework for mental health

and addictions services. Most recently, we introduced our new Mental Health Care

and Treatment Act to help make our Province responsive to the mental health

needs of our residents. We have also invested, Mr. Speaker, $14.6 million for

mental health and addictions services in the Province since we formed government

in 2003, including the most recent Budget with an investment of $1.7 million.

Mr. Speaker, as the provincial government is the largest employer in the

Province, we are committed to ensuring that our work environments are supportive

and address the needs of our employees. Through programs such as the Respectful

Workplace Program, the Workplace Wellness Initiative and the Employee Assistance

Program, we support employees experiencing various kinds of difficulties and

promote safe, respectful work environments.

Mental Health Week presents an opportunity for employers across our Province

to reflect on how their organizations support mental health needs of their

employees, by providing a healthy work environment. Supporting the health of our

people leads to a productive workforce and helps our Province sustain

prosperity.

I encourage all residents to be mindful of how they can take care of their

own mental health and use this week as an opportunity to take the necessary

steps to ensure that they live a healthy, balanced life.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the minister for an advance

copy of his statement.

We are certainly pleased to associate ourselves with the recognition of

National Mental Health Week. Mr. Speaker, while we live in a society of

tremendous stresses due to the high pace of life that we engage in these days,

we often find that there are more stresses in the workplace than probably there

were in previous years. In fact, I think out of the ten leading causes of

disability in the country, I think in the top five is mental illness, and it is

something like 30 per cent of Canadians in the workforce today who collect

disability pensions because of mental illness.

Mr. Speaker, I want to use this as an opportunity to highlight the many

stresses that we find our own employees in, in this Province, especially those

who are part of the public service. We look at nurses, for example, Mr. Speaker.

When you talk about how you can reduce stress levels in the workplace, the

Mental Health Society recommends to employers that you look at flexible hours

and that you look at having staff control their schedules more, and that they

have a supportive work-life balance. We certainly have not seen that in the

nursing profession in this Province in quite some time.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, last year many nurses in this Province could not even

take vacation time with their families because of the workload placed upon them,

the demands being placed upon them, in that profession. So, if we are going to

have a healthy balance we need to strike it here, within government first. Maybe

then we can lead by example.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the minister

for the advance copy of his statement.

I, too, am happy to recognize the National Mental Health Week. It is very

important, as it is with other issues in our society, that we take time to focus

on particular issues, and mental health is certainly one of the things that we

should be very concerned about.

The minister noted that this government did bring in, last year, the Mental

Health Care And Treatment Act, and I was very pleased that act was brought in.

During the discussion around that act we were able I was able, I guess, in

consultation with the minister of the time - to ensure that act had in it the

need for supports in community if people were institutionalized and were going

to be put back out into the community.

I think the same concern about supports in community needs to be made again

when it comes to even good mental health in the workplace, because the workplace

can do so much, and there can be programs to help people, but there are times at

which they require assistance outside of the community as well.

While we do have some programs here in this Province, we are weak when it

comes to programs to help people within the community, so I encourage the

minister during this week to look at what exists in other places, what could

exist here, and maybe this time next year we might have some more services in

our Province.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform my hon. colleagues that

this Province has received yet another national award recognizing excellence in

our education system.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Memorial University's Distance Education and Learning

Technologies, known as DELT, and the School of Music, were chosen for this year's

leadership in educational technology award by the Canadian Network for

Innovation in Education.

The award recognizes the work done by DELT and the School of Music for

students to complete their application for admission, including the practical

portion, on-line. It can now be done, Mr. Speaker, from anywhere in the

Province, or indeed anywhere in the world. It means that students no longer have

to make the often time-consuming and costly trip to the university campus just

for the application process.

Mr. Speaker, Newfoundland and Labrador faces the challenge of offering both

K-12 and post-secondary education in a vast geographic area. Not all students

can make the move to one of the university's campuses. Distance education or

e-learning helps us bring the courses to the students. To this end, last year

the provincial government committed $1.5 million over three years to help MUN

finance new programs through e-learning.

We are also increasing our investments in K-12 distance learning. Budget 2008

provides an additional $1.6 million for our Centre For Distance Learning and

Innovation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: CDLI is an award-winning provincial e-learning program that

offers thirty-eight high school courses in 106 schools, bringing diverse

learning courses in art and music, and science and math, to students in rural,

remote and isolated areas.

Government recognizes the importance of education to the Province's

sustained economic growth and social vitality. We are investing an additional

$70 million in education in this year's Budget. Advancing technology,

especially to benefit rural areas of the Province, is one of the goals of our

can advance their education, regardless of their physical location. Distance

education open a whole new learning dynamic as individuals can study anywhere on

the planet.

I applaud DELT and the School of Music for developing this unique initiative,

and offer congratulations on winning the national award. We are very proud that

MUN is recognized nationally once again as a pioneer and leader in distance

education initiatives.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank the minister for an advance copy of her statement, and to

extend congratulations to DELT and the School of Music.

No doubt, from time to time, when we talk about education in the Province, we

do bring up various issues that relate to concerns of parents, teachers, and

students as well, but we all agree, I can assure you, with the work that is

being done through distance education and e-learning, as it benefits students in

rural areas of this Province.

Mr. Speaker, advancing technology, and in particular distance education, I

have to say, truly works. I know of one individual in my district I don't

know if he is a retired teacher or not, but he, himself, is now teaching

music throughout not only this Province of ours but throughout this great

Country of ours.

Mr. Speaker, it is indeed an honour and we, too, congratulate them on winning

this national award.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for her advance copy.

I, too, congratulate DELT and the School of Music. It is wonderful when we

receive recognition for initiatives that are going on here in the Province. I am

pleased that we do have a Centre for Distance Learning and Innovation, and that

we have a program that is moving ahead.

The one thing - it is not a concern, it is just something I would like the

minister to think about - it would be very interesting to see an evaluation done

of how our program is going to date, with regard to the academic achievement of

students who are doing education through distance learning. It would be very

interesting to see if they are on the same level academically as students who

are getting in-class instruction in the same area. I have not seen any

evaluations yet; and, Minister, that might be something for you to think about.

I see you nodding and smiling. I think it would be something to pursue.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers.

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Minister of Education.

Mr. Speaker, back in March, the Minister of Education announced a new teacher

allocation model and it gave the impression that the new model would be

needs-based or program-based, and not on numbers, and that schools around the

Province would not lose teaching units.

I ask the minister today: While allocations are now being put out to the

various schools in the Province we are learning that there is indeed a reduction

in units. I ask her why this is the case.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, one of the most important areas that I had to

address as Minister of Education certainly was the teacher allocation and how we

allocated teachers to our schools. We were handed a formula that was based on

numbers only. As students came out of the system, teachers would be reduced. We

felt that was not working for Newfoundland and Labrador. So, Mr. Speaker, we had

commissioners go out, there was a broad consultation across Newfoundland and

Labrador, there was a report that was submitted to government and we certainly

did analysis on that report to ensure that when we look at the teacher

allocation in this Province, it is done in a fair and equitable manner. There

are a number of issues. There are a number of points that we have to consider as

we determine how many teachers are allocated to a particular school. Certainly,

it is not just based on numbers. As numbers reduce, it does not mean that

teachers come out of the system. If we look at some of the areas that we felt

were important, we can look at class size. We have put a cap on class size from

Grade 1 to Grade 3 at twenty-five. Based on the new -

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

I ask the hon. the minister to conclude her answer.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, there is a quite a bit of information involved in

this new allocation. I am hoping I will get some supplementary questions so I

can further explain what we are doing in this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have lots of questions, minister.

Teachers in small schools around the Province are already struggling to meet

the demands of curriculum that is being placed upon them by the Department of

Education and yet we hear this new model is going to further reduce units in a

lot of these schools. I talked to a school this morning that will go from a

classroom size with one teacher from K-3 in one class, now to K-6 in one class.

I ask you, minister: Why have the rural schools been targeted for reduction

and more multi-grading in those classrooms?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, the new method for allocating teachers will

actually assist the schools in rural Newfoundland and Labrador. Let me explain.

Prior to our class size - with the old formula and with our cap size at

twenty-five, if we had a school that had thirty-seven students in Grade 2, the

previous formula would say that you would have one point four-eight teachers.

Granted, if you had two classes of Grade 2, you absolutely needed two Grade 2

teachers, but the old formula provided only point four-eight if the number

happened to be thirty-seven in any particular school.

One thing that this new formula, this new allocation model does is it puts a

cap size from kindergarten at twenty, K-3 at twenty-five, four to six at

twenty-five, and seven to nine at twenty-seven. What it does importantly, Mr.

Speaker, is that if there is an elementary or a primary class that meets that

cap size or exceeds, that instead of having a point four-eight position, we will

actually have two positions. So, Mr. Speaker, this should actually help the

schools.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Again, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the minister my question. I will

ask her the question again, minister, because I have a list right now of schools

that are losing units and I am sure you have a list as well, but let me just say

this.

Why is it that small schools were targeted here to reduce units? Why is it

acceptable to have schools with K-3 grades in one class, now expanded to K-6 in

one classroom with one teacher?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members for their co-operation.

The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, the new allocation model allows the school boards

and the schools to work together to determine the needs of the school. We also

anticipated in this Budget that we would not be losing any teacher positions in

Newfoundland and Labrador. This is not about reducing teachers in Newfoundland

and Labrador. This is about being able to provide a fair, equitable means of

deciding how many teachers go into each school.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, there was additional money in the Budget this year,

$3.6 million, because we anticipated there would probably actually be more

teachers in Newfoundland and Labrador next year than what we have this year. Mr.

Speaker, we were handed with a formula that if we did not bring in a new formula

this year, and the fact that we did not reduce teachers last year, that this

year there would have been 144 less teachers in the system this year and the

previous formula that was brought in by the previous Administration would have

saw an additional 124 positions eliminated this year.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister knows that formula was not working and we admit that, and she

knows that it has not been used. She knows that it has not been used in this

Province for nearly five years -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, yesterday I ended up leaving here after Question

Period with a strained throat because I was trying to ask questions. I would

appreciate it if they could keep the noise down today.

Minister, there may not be a layoff of teachers here but there is a reduction

in the number of teachers in the classroom in certain schools in this Province.

It is making it more challenging to deliver programming in these small schools

and I ask if you are prepared to take another look at those allocations?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, we will certainly, as we move through this new

allocation formula, be able to look at it and see how it is working for our

particular schools and ensure that we have our schools resourced to the point

that they are able to offer the courses and the programs that they need.

Mr. Speaker, it is surprising that the Leader of the Opposition said that the

previous formula did not work because her Administration brought it in. If they

did not think it was going to work, they should not have brought it in, in the

first place.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: If we want to talk about reductions in teachers, Mr. Speaker,

during their time in office, whether it was on whatever formula they used or the

old formula, they actually eliminated more than 2,000 teachers; 2,105 teachers

came out under the previous Administration. Mr. Speaker, we were prepared to

look at that formula to ensure that our schools are resourced in a more

appropriate manner.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The problem that minister has is she cannot admit when she is wrong and

something is not working. This formula, minister, is not going to work for small

schools in this Province. Let me give you this example. There are cases where

teachers would have five periods of prep time in the first fourteen days -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members for their co-operation. The Chair is having great difficulty in

hearing the Leader of the Opposition and I ask members if they would allow the

member to ask questions and listen to the answers as well.

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, no trouble to know the Premier is away. The boys

are going to play now. They are all out on the playground now, Mr. Speaker.

Let me ask the minister this question. Teachers have been cut now in their

prep time. In fact, in some cases there will be no prep time for these teachers

in the classroom. This is not advancement, minister; this is a step backwards. I

ask if you have any concerns about the fact that there are many teachers in the

Province under this formula that will have no prep time for the multitude of

programs and grades that they now have to take responsibility for?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, let me begin by saying there are more than boys on

this side of the House, and to be referred to as boys is an absolute insult.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, this new method of allocating teachers has been

able to provide more services to the schools than what we had in the past.

Prior to this new method, Mr. Speaker, there was no allocation for

specialists in the K-12 system. Mr. Speaker, we brought in a method so that we

could not just have classroom teachers in the primary and elementary grades, but

also specialists as well. We have also enhanced administrative positions, which

mean principals, in our schools throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.

So, Mr. Speaker, just to conclude this, we have cap sizes throughout, from

K-9 that we will be implementing over three years. We have a specialist

allocation for K-6. We have more administrators. Mr. Speaker, on top of that, we

anticipate more teachers in Newfoundland and Labrador, but we also have 2,200

less students in our system.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I intended to give the women on the other side of

the House a little bit more credit than that, but obviously I was wrong. I will

group them all into one category if it makes the minister happy.

Mr. Speaker, I am glad she raised the issue on administration, because what

you have done, minister, is recognize there is a need for full-time

administrators in many schools in the Province - and I certainly compliment that

- but what you failed to recognize, was to add the extra time for them to do

this work. So many of the principals that were at half-time, that will now go to

full-time, their half-time instructional time will have to be allocated to other

teachers in the school, causing more workload for those teachers.

Are you prepared to add the extra units of time to make up for the full-time

administrators?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

If there is a question, who is the question - is somebody going to answer the

question?

The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I was waiting for you to take your seat before I

stood to answer the question.

Mr. Speaker, what we have done in the Province with our new method of

allocating teachers, is taken an old antiquated formula - it never made sense

from the day it was brought in, that took thousands of teachers out of the

system; that would have seen thousands of more coming out; would have seen at

least, almost 500 more out of the system, that this government was not prepared

to take out.

Now, Mr. Speaker, we have a more appropriate allocation. We will roll it out

this year, we will keep with our class sizes, and we will increase the number of

positions for administrative units in Newfoundland and Labrador. Mr. Speaker, do

you know who will benefit from this formula? It will be the teachers and the

students of this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, one example I want to give the minister is of how

special needs students will be impacted by these changes. The impact on the

literacy and numeracy support teachers that have been put in place in the

schools in Central Newfoundland - this special support program will now be

eliminated was what we were told this morning.

I ask the minister: How can this be called progress when many of these

students who need the additional resources are now going to be negatively

impacted?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, last year, under our Excellence in Mathematics

Strategy, we increased teacher units in Newfoundland and Labrador by

thirty-eight. That was thirty-eight numeracy specialists who went into the

system. They will remain in the system, Mr. Speaker.

The other thing that this allocation method that we have developed allows

schools to do is it allows them to assign a specialist position based on the

particular needs of the school, and the needs of the school are based on student

performance. So, if a school has a particular need, whether it is in numeracy or

literacy or other areas, it can use the specialist allocation to make sure that

they target the areas based on student performance so they can meet the needs of

the school.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the minister to table for us a

breakdown of the 282 schools in the Province in terms of their teacher

allocations for this coming year versus what their teacher allocations were last

year.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, once the school boards have made the determination

of the number of teachers for particular schools we can certainly table that in

the House.

What we have done this year is we have asked the boards based on the new

method of allocation to determine what the needs are in their schools. We have

not decreased the resources or funding for teachers in Newfoundland and

Labrador. In fact, we have anticipated there will be more teachers in

Newfoundland and Labrador than there was last year, Mr. Speaker. Once we have

the allocations down we can certainly table that information.

What we haven't done this year is, we haven't gone out and arbitrarily

assigned a number to the board and said, now, make this work. What we are saying

to the board this year is, tell us what your needs are, tell us how you are

going to have your schools, what needs you are going to address this year, how

many teachers you need based on the criteria that we have set out and we will

provide teachers.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I don't believe this is the minister who yesterday was going to oversee all

the inspections in schools in the Province. Now, today she wants to wipe her

hands of teacher allocations.

Minister, many of the schools already know what their allocations are, and I

would like to get it tabled in the House of Assembly, and I would ask that that

be done within the next couple of days.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, as I just said, once that information is available

and the boards have their final numbers submitted to the Department of Education

I will certainly table that information.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Health and Community Services.

There are a number of families in the Province who are not pleased with the

way government is bringing forward the new baby bonus program. I know that he

has received a number of e-mails and calls, because I have received them as

well.

One woman told me her son was born on December 25, premature because of

medical complications, and she will receive nothing under this particular

program; however, other women who had their children within ten days after that

will receive the bonus plus the $100 benefit throughout that period.

I ask the minister: How do you justify exempting those particular women who

are currently on maternity benefits?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. WISEMAN: I am delighted, Mr. Speaker, that the Leader of the

Opposition has taken such a keen interest in one of our Blueprint commitments of

last year.

I want to repeat something I said in this House yesterday. Last year our

Party, the Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador, laid out

a platform as a part of a provincial election. In that platform there was a

series of commitments, a series of commitments that we plan to implement over

this term and lay the foundation for some of them to be implemented over the

next term. I say, Mr. Speaker, that was just one of them.

When we rolled that out in the fall, it was not an announcement of a

government; it was a platform of a political party. What has happened now in

this Budget - the Budget was released earlier this week.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This time, now as a government, we decided that there was going to be an

implementation date, and that implementation date was January 1, 2008.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, last week when I asked the minister if women who

are currently on maternity leave would get the $100 a month payment he said yes;

then he backtracked and said no. Well, I think his first answer would have been

the more appropriate answer.

I ask you again, Minister: Women who are currently on maternity leave today,

and will be for the next four, six or eight months, will they be eligible for

the $100 benefit? Will you change you mind and ensure that these women are

eligible?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I want to be very clear about this so there is

no misunderstanding.

I stood in the House and I indicated to the members opposite, and to the

members of this House, that I misunderstood the Leader of the Opposition's

question when I had answered it the day before. I want to be clear for the

people of Newfoundland and Labrador particularly, so there is no confusion at

all.

This program was introduced effective January 1, 2008. Anyone who had a

child, or adopted a child, on January 1 will be entitled to the $1,000. They

will, in addition to that, be entitled to $100 per month for twelve months. It

starts on January 1, 2008.

With any program - there has never been a program introduced by this

government, or any government prior to us, or will be by any government in the

future, that will not have an effective date. Those who made the

MR. SPEAKER: I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

With that effective date comes the benefits growing from that program.

Unfortunately

MR. SPEAKER: Order please!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, there were about 1,100 babies born in this Province who will be

exempt from this benefit, meaning that there are approximately 1,100 women in

this Province who were on maternity leave - and most of them still are - as of

January 1, 2008, when this program came into effect. We know they will not get

the $1,000; but, Minister, will you at least approve the $100 monthly benefit

for those 1,100 or so women out there who are still on maternity leave?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I am not really certain what the member is

trying to get at. I am not sure if she understands

MS JONES: (Inaudible).

MR. WISEMAN: I want to give a definition, Mr. Speaker, a definition of

effective date. That is the time on a calendar or on a clock which something

comes into force. The effective date of this program is January 1, 2008.

Mr. Speaker, many people were born last year. In fact, the party opposite was

in power for ten or fifteen years. I suspect that there were probably - at 5,000

births a year - 50,000 or 60,000 children born during their tenure in

government. Do they want us to go back and pick them up because they failed to

introduce progressive legislation? I don't think so, but when we bring in

programs we have to have an effective date, I say, Mr. Speaker.

Let me repeat again, the effective date is January 1.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, last Monday the Minister of Environment and

Conservation announced changes to the Butter Pot Park reservation system that

came into effect, I think it was yesterday. In particular, the minister

announced that twenty-five seasonal sites would no longer be set aside for some

patrons, leaving all forty seasonal sites available for reservation.

I ask the minister: How and when did you make the twenty-five affected

families aware of this change in policy?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JOHNSON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this reservation system came into effect in 2007 and, as a

result of being in operation for one year, we thought it best to do a review.

There were some complaints that came in over the year.

As part of that review, one of the issues raised was the campers at Butter

Pot, and that there were twenty-five sites set aside for these campers. So, as

part of that review we looked at that. We wanted to provide equal access to all

people in the Province to have access to that public resource. Those people were

notified the day of the announcement, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: In 2005 the then minister worked with the Butter Pot seasonal

campers committee to establish a grandfather clause to recognize those families,

their long-term investment in Butter Pot Park, and they were there, Mr. Speaker,

for twenty-five to thirty years.

I ask the minister: Why did you decide to revoke an agreement that was made

by your government, with no consultation with those affected?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JOHNSON: Mr. Speaker, governments review policies all the time so that

we make them better for people, for all people, of the Province.

One of the things that stood out was that there were twenty-five sites that

were not available through the reservation system. That was something that set

off an alarm, and we looked at that to make it fair and equitable to all people

of the Province.

The hon. member mentioned that some of these people have been there for

twenty-five to thirty years. In some cases, Mr. Speaker, some of them are only

there a couple of years. In fact, what happened was the people who were camping

there in 2004 were automatically allowed to be grandfathered in, in 2005.

It was not a fair system that was put out to all of the people, to the

public, and in the interest of fairness that is why I changed the policy, Mr.

Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, despite being given a last-minute chance to make

their case, those twenty-five grandfathered clause campers were told they would

have to reserve their sites on-line.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. BUTLER: I ask the minister: Why would these senior campers be only

offered on-line registration as a means to secure their sites?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JOHNSON: Mr. Speaker, I have to tell the member I did not quite get

the question at the end, but these twenty-five people did have the same

opportunity as all of the other 500,000 people in the Province, to have the

opportunity to book this site at 7:00 a.m. on Monday morning, of this week.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, I overheard someone say that I agreed with this

when the minister made her statement last week. I agreed with many of the

changes, but I can assure you I did not mention the one on Butter Pot Park.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members for their co-operation.

Ministers are having difficulty hearing the question in order to provide an

answer. I ask members for their co-operation or the Chair will have no other

choice but recognize members.

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I ask the minister: How did any of your decisions actually solve the problem

of high demand for park spaces? Why would you not eliminate seasonal passes all

together, because they still can have seasonal passes?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JOHNSON: Mr. Speaker, I am not sure where the hon. member stands on

this, but this is a public resource and because it is a public resource that is

paid for by the taxpayers of this Province, every single resident in the

Province should have access to those sites.

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure where he is. We did have a conversation on the

phone about it after and my understanding - I did meet. I did provide an

opportunity to the people to come in and express their concerns. I told them

where I stood on the issue but I did give them the opportunity to hear them out.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Health and Community Services.

Many seniors need home care right now, as I spoke to the minister about

yesterday on the floor, but cannot afford it because the co-pay is too high, or

they are one of the 40 per cent of applicants who are denied any subsidy at all.

Government has admitted that the financial assessment tool is too restrictive

and needs to be replaced and I know that there is a study going on.

Mr. Speaker, will the minister, in the short term, replace the home support

financial assessment tool right away with the assessment procedure now used in

the low-income Prescription Drug Program as a model for making assessment?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: The financial assessment tool that is currently being used

for home support services, for placement in personal care homes, and other kinds

of supports for seniors and persons with disabilities has been on the go for a

long, long time; implemented long before our Administration formed government.

One of the things that we are committed to, Mr. Speaker, is making some

significant change and reform in our long-term care and community support

sector. One of the pieces of that, and as I said yesterday, one of the pieces of

that is the financial assessment tool that is currently being used. We want to

do it right, Mr. Speaker. We just do not want to do it in a piecemeal fashion.

We want to do what is right. We want to do what is right for today's

generation. We want to do what is right for future generations to make sure that

what we have are programs and services that are responsive to the changing needs

of seniors, and also that are sustainable in the long term. Our financial

assessment tool is one of the cornerstone pieces of that, and when we have the

analysis completely done and we are ready to move forward, then and only then

will we make any change.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I think the minister would know, as I do, that short-term and long-term

planning is part of all planning and sometimes one has to have interim steps in

a long-term plan. Again, the minister also knows, the financial assessment for

home support is far more restrictive than the financial assessment that is done

when a person goes into a long-term care or personal care facility.

Will the minister immediately direct the regional health authorities to

replace the home care financial assessment tool with the one used to qualify for

assistance in a long-term care or personal care facility?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: The member opposite can frame the question in multiple ways,

but there is only one answer, and that is the one I gave yesterday, the one I

gave two weeks ago, and the one I am about to repeat again - which is,

fundamentally, we are in the process of revamping our long-term care and

community support system, and we are looking at all aspects of that. The

financial assessment tool that we currently use is one aspect of that. I say,

Mr. Speaker, and I repeat again, we are - as she has acknowledged - in the

middle of an evaluation of that tool as we speak. When we are finished that

assessment and we have clearly defined what might be an appropriate financial

assessment tool for the future, then, and only then, will we be prepared then to

roll anything new out.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will point out to the minister that I am not the only one unhappy with the

same answer that he gives to my question, no matter which way I put it - I

realize what I am doing - but there are many people out there unhappy with his

answer. It is clear to them now that he is not going to do anything to meet with

the needs that are in place at the moment that people are suffering from.

Okay, I will ask a question with regard to the long-term. Mr. Speaker,

jurisdictions across Canada are recognizing that demand for home care will only

increase and that the level of care must be based on need, rather than ability

to pay. Government cannot continue to heap great pressure on the shoulders of

one of the most vulnerable groups in our Province.

Will the long-term care and home support strategy, the long-term plan that he

is looking at, include home care based on need, and not on ability to pay?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Our government has clearly demonstrated in the last four

years that we are committed to enhancing home support services in this Province.

We have grown from some $85 million of four years ago, to some $115 million

today. In fact, there was $10 million, I think my colleague introduced in the

Budget recently; $10 million to enhance further capacity in the home support

system, I say, Mr. Speaker - all very clearly a reflection of our government's

commitment to enhance the programs and services to an aging population and

persons with disabilities in Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Time allotted for questions and answers has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

MR. PARSONS: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader on a point of order.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I waited until the end of Question Period because I understand that is the

proper protocol to make a point of order rather than disrupt during Question

Period.

I would make a point of order, Mr. Speaker, concerning our Standing Order 7,

which deals with order and decorum. The point of order is that for anyone who

just watched this session we had here today and the session that we had

yesterday, it is absolutely disrespectful and disruptive what we have seen here,

and I am talking about the decorum. Nobody in this Chamber is unable to defend

themselves, I am sure. Everybody is here. Everybody is big enough and strong

enough and voiceful enough to stand up and say what they have to say. Nobody

here is opposed to a bit of humour. That goes with it too, anybody can accept

that.

What we have seen in the last two days, Mr. Speaker, is absolutely, I would

suggest, unacceptable. Some of the comments flowing back and forth across this

House are nasty. You, the Chair, yourself, seven times today had to call for

order on seven different occasions. I am sitting here, I would like to hear not

only the questions that are being asked, but as a member of this Chamber I have

a right to listen to the answers that are being given. Quite often, the answers

are good, no question about that. It is pretty difficult, as a member of this

House, to listen to the questions and to listen to the answers when you have

calls.

I will not get into naming anybody because that is not the point of my

raising the point of order; it is not about naming people at this point. That

responsibility and onus falls upon the Chair, if you feel that you must do so.

My point is to say that I think it is disgraceful, the public are watching this,

probably the most watched procession of the House of Assembly is the Question

Period time and people are noticing this.

Mr. Speaker, I would call upon you again -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. PARSONS: Again, Mr. Speaker, even while I am in the process of trying

to make a point of order there are disruptions and catcalls coming across this

House. There are people over there - I can stand on feet anytime if I want to

speak for myself, as can any member here. All I am saying is I think it has

gotten out of hand when you have answers being given and there is no way - I was

sitting here with an earpiece yesterday and today, which I have hardly ever used

since we started this sitting. I cannot hear, even with an earpiece in, because

of the disruptions that are coming.

I think, Mr. Speaker, with all due respect, it has gone off the rails, and I

would call upon the Chair to enforce Standing Order 7 so that all of us who have

a right to be in this Chamber, a right to be heard, can be heard and not have

the catcalls and so on get to the extent that it is now.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Deputy Premier.

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I just want to make a brief comment on the point of order raised by my

colleague, the Opposition House Leader.

First of all, let me say this: If there is an issue of decorum, it is up to

Your Honour to notice it, as I am sure Your Honour does, and it is up to Your

Honour to do something about it, as Your Honour attempts to do every time the

matter surfaces here in the House. That is the role of Your Honour. It is not

the role of anybody else to stand and suggest that really, in essence, what

is happening is that the suggestion is that Your Honour is not doing your job,

and I find that kind of offensive, in a way, to be honest with you, Mr. Speaker.

It is probably not the intent, but that is the way it sounds to me.

There is plenty of blame to go around on that whole decorum issue. If the

Opposition House Leader cannot hear, and has to put in his earpiece, it is

probably because his leader is shouting right alongside of him. If I cannot hear

over here, and have to put in my earpiece, it is probably because some of my

colleagues are shouting behind me.

All I am saying, Mr. Speaker, it cuts both ways and it is incumbent on all of

us, from time to time, to realize that we do all have a responsibility to we

are not in a junior Red Cross Society here. We are in an elected Parliament. If

you want to see decorum, go to the mother of Parliaments in Westminster where

they have been known to take the Mace and face each other, so we are not all

that bad. We are not perfect; we are not all that bad.

I think the hon. gentleman's point is well taken, I understand that, but to

enforce the rule is up to Your Honour, when Your Honour notices or believes that

the matter is getting out of hand, and it is up to all of us then to have the

good sense to respect Your Honour's ruling, when Your Honour brings it to our

attention.

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair certainly concurs with what is happening, I guess,

on both sides of the House, and the comments made.

Question Period is an intense time when members ask questions and government

gives answers. The Chair attempts to try to keep it to a level where ministers

can hear what is being said and members ask their questions.

These last couple of sessions have been disruptive, I have to admit, and it

is not where the Chair would like to see the decorum go in this House, so I ask

members for their co-operation. It makes it difficult for both sides, and both

sides have played a

part in causing the disruption as well, so I ask members for

their co-operation.

The Chair is reluctant to identify members when they make a shout across the

House. That is the nature, I guess, of the forum that we operate on, but the

Chair will not sit here and allow members to cause disruption for questions

asked or answers that have been given, that are important to the general public

of this Province.

I ask members for their co-operation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Notices of Motion.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to call Motion 1, the Budget debate, and I believe the debate

was adjourned by our colleague from Port de Grave yesterday.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Some of my hon. colleagues across the way were wondering why I did not have a

petition today. I wouldn't be able to carry a petition off in fifty-two

minutes.

AN HON. MEMBER: Too much (inaudible).

MR. BUTLER: Too much.

Mr. Speaker, I must say, it is a pleasure to be able to stand again today and

bring forward some comments with regard to the amendment that we put forward

when it comes to Motion 1 on the Order Paper, the Budget Speech.

Mr. Speaker, as you listen from day to day and listen to hon. members, their

comments, very informative, it amazes me sometimes about how, when we bring up

topics or we ask questions about any particular topic, it is all the fault of

the former Administration or Administrations. Even though this government has

been in power for five years, Mr. Speaker, it is still their fault.

It is amazing, when we look at the wonderful Budget we have this year, with

all the millions and billions of dollars, nobody can give credit beyond last

year; and, Mr. Speaker, that amazes me.

I know hon. members are honourable when they make those comments, because I

am the type of individual - I recognize that there was a $6.8 billion Budget

this year, wonderful, but we have to realize how that money was derived. It is

over issues of former Administrations of all political stripes, to see what

happened in this Province, and thank God today the government in power is there

to see to it that this money is administered properly and we find ourselves even

estimating a surplus in March 2009 of $544 million.

Mr. Speaker, as an Opposition, we will continue to bring forward issues on

behalf of the people of this Province, and bring their concerns before the House

of Assembly. I have to say, and I think I speak for my hon. colleagues, that any

time we have issues, when we meet with various ministers in this government, we

have received excellent co-operation, no doubt about that.

I paid particular attention over the last number of weeks to the hon.

Minister of Transportation and Works, and the Minister of Municipal Affairs, who

I have had to deal with, and you give credit where credit is due. The same can

be said for other ministers. I have had issues when I had to go to the Minister

of Human Resources, Labour and Employment, the Minister of Government Services,

and others the Minister of Education and they do what they can for you.

I believe in giving credit where credit is due, but it is a two-way street.

Mr. Speaker, I guess in my comments, when I started addressing the Budget

Speech, I did mention the long-term care facility in Carbonear. I just want to

make a couple comments on that as well. It is very important because it is an

issue, not only an issue that I am bringing forward, but it is an issue of great

concern with the people in that immediate area.

It was only recently, and I think it was when the hon. Minister of Finance

and President of Treasury Board travelled to the Conception Bay North area, I

think the Mayor of Carbonear spoke very highly about this facility that they had

hoped they would see coming to that area. Hopefully, down the road, Mr. Speaker,

we will see that.

I am sure my hon. colleagues who represent districts adjacent to the

Conception Bay North area and the Trinity Bay Shore, I am sure they are hearing

the same issues. They are hearing the same issues that people would love to see

nothing more than a new long-term care facility for the Conception Bay North

area.

Hopefully this government, over the next number of weeks, will see to it that

possibly a new assessment will be done to see if the need is there, and to

verify what was to take place back in 2002, Mr. Speaker.

Yesterday, I just touched on the issue of workers' health, WHSCC, the

Workers' Compensation Board, with the new report that came down which

mentioned there will be changes with claim duration, early and safe return to

work, and various injury prevention, and that has to be done, Mr. Speaker, and I

touched on some cases with regard to the client services end of it.

We know that this system has to be preserved, to be accountable and a

sustainable system. After all, Mr. Speaker, that is funded 100 per cent,

totally, by the employers here in our Province. We know that. Then again, when

injuries do occur, the program is there so that those people will be looked

after until they come to the point where they can return to work once again.

All too often, Mr. Speaker, dealing with various constituents on issues that

sometimes have to go to the review commission, we hear stories where some

employers even pay thousands of dollars so that they can travel around any

community, watching an injured worker, getting him on video, costing thousands

of dollars. No doubt, there are probably some people out there who do abuse the

system, but they are not all the same and I think it is unfair to know that you

are being videotaped to see if you do something, just to try and get you out of

the system, Mr. Speaker.

I think in that review it was also mentioned and recommended that possibly

the Auditor General should go in, and have the rights to go in, and review the

books with workers' compensation. I think, Mr. Speaker, I wholeheartedly agree

with that and I think it has to be done.

Like I mentioned yesterday when I spoke, Mr. Speaker, in 2006, 61 per cent of

the cases that were rejected by the commission, when they went before the review

board, 61 per cent of them were allowed or referred back to the commission. In

2007, Mr. Speaker, 65 per cent were either allowed or referred back to the

commission. That alone, Mr. Speaker, I believe, is justification that it has to

be reviewed, and the recommendations that were put forward, I think, are very

fitting.

I also touched briefly yesterday about, in my immediate area, how important

the fishery was to the area, the communities of Upper Island Cove, Spaniard's

Bay, Bay Roberts and Port de Grave. I guess we never know when something can

happen.

I know the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture was involved with the union

and some of the people in an incident that is taking place now on the pricing,

so we never know from one day to the next what can happen in any given area to

upset the economy that we look forward to each and every year. It affects the

harvesters, who are finding it very difficult with the increasing costs, and

this is what it is all about: the price that they have been offered.

Not only that; it affects many other people in the given area, people who go

to the plants to work there and process the various products before they are

shipped overseas, Mr. Speaker. You never know. Yesterday I was on my feet saying

how wonderful it is, and I am sure it will work itself out. It is like the

Minister of Fisheries said, there is very little they can do about it, even

though maybe a consultation with them can speed up the process.

Having said that, I also touched on out-migration, which is a thing that

really bothers me. I know that no one can stop anyone from going away. If people

get it in their minds that they are going out West because the offers are that

much greater, Mr. Speaker, that is going to happen, but it is very troubling.

Only yesterday I was told a story about, in my area, where one contractor

there had twelve to fifteen people working and ten of them left the one day and

said: We are going out West. Not that we have anything against you, but we want

to go out where we can make more money than we are making here in this Province.

Hopefully, the time will come when that will be turned around, when we will

see - we know the minimum wage has gone up in this Province, and that will help

people to stay here, but when it comes to the people in the construction

industry of various trades, they move on because it is so lucrative for them now

to go back and forth. For some of them, their ways are paid and they come home

to visit their families after so many weeks.

I fear, Mr. Speaker, that the day is coming when that part of it is going to

end, because I believe when their children get out of high school many of them

are going to say we are going to move our families out West. No doubt, it is a

better place here to raise your family and that is why many of them are going

back and forth today.

Another issue I wanted to touch on, that bothers a lot of people - and I know

this goes back to the early 1990s and beyond that - is the school tax. I get so

many calls where people are so frustrated with the billing system that they have

now and the amount that they have to pay. It is not that they were against the

school tax in the beginning, even though they admit that it should have been

paid at that time, but it was left unattended to for so many years. I am not

laying fingers on anybody, but it was left there and a lot of people just forgot

about it. Lo and behold, after eight or ten or twelve years, finally they began

to receive invoices in the mail again, and some of the stories are very sad.

I know I can relate one: a lady who was eighty-eight years of age, from my

district, who had a business back twenty some-odd years ago, received a bill in

the mail for $5,800 and she was just devastated. When I went to visit her, I

took all of the information. When I came in, I believe that bill, the actual

principal of that bill, from the day when it was supposedly hers, was somewhere

in the vicinity of just under $1,000, and here she was receiving this invoice

for $5,500.

Mr. Speaker, another case I can relate to, is where this young lady received

an invoice on behalf of her parents, and both of them were deceased. One was

deceased for eight years and the other one approximately four years and here

she gets an invoice in the mail saying that you have to pay this school tax.

I believe that the system should be looked at. It is still ongoing today, Mr.

Speaker, and I know for a fact, just this past Christmas, I had a call from a

gentleman in another district, adjacent to mine, where a gentleman was off on

workers' compensation, getting a very low amount, and his wife was not working

at the time. They went to the supermarket to pick up their groceries - and

everything he did, he did with his debit card - and when he went to the cashier

he passed in his debit card and she said: I am sorry, we can't take your card;

there is nothing there.

When he went to check it out, what it was, the department had gone to the

bank and taken the money that was deposited in his account. Thank God, it got

corrected. Here was a guy with his groceries up on the counter, to be checked

in, and was told that he had to put them back.

There are cases like that, Mr. Speaker, and many of those people, many of

them, when they were working, back at the time the school tax was ongoing, they

had deductions taken from their wages, no receipts or anything for it now -

probably the employers are even gone out of business but, lo and behold,

after so many years they begin to get those invoices with a tremendous amount of

interest on them, and here they are now trying to defend their cases as to why

they are receiving a bill.

I know, for a while, government - I will call it, for a better word, a day of

grace, with interest relief. There was one gentleman who, I think it was just

two days prior to when the interest relief was put in place, he went to the

bank. He was trying to build this facility for his business, and he was told

that he could not get his loan because he owed the government $4,300. A

tremendous amount of that was interest, Mr. Speaker, but what he had to do, he

had to pay it. Lo and behold, two days after, they came in and the interest on

anyone's school tax bills would be deducted. He came to me, and we went and

met with the officials, but to no avail. Even though it was only two days, he

had to bear the burden.

Mr. Speaker, another issue I want to touch on is the home heating fuel and

the rebate program. I don't think there is anyone out there against the Home

Heating Rebate Program, because this year government, in their wisdom, extended

it to many other families beyond what it was in previous years, and to some

degree the rates were increased based on their income. Many people say to me,

that it is too bad it doesn't come out a little bit earlier in the year, when

they can, I guess, fill up their tanks just prior to the winter season starting.

Mr. Speaker, I have to say many people are affected by this. I know we have

called for a reduction in the tax on the home heating fuel, and government at

this particular time didn't think it was necessary or didn't proceed with

it. Many families, when you go visit them on various issues, I can assure you

find it very difficult to heat their homes. It is sad to say this, but I have

been in houses that when I went there they told me, you might find it cold

because we have the heat turned completely off. That is sad in this day and age

when people either have to heat their houses or eat, when they find themselves

in those situations. I can understand why. It is because of the tremendous

increase in the cost.

I will just give you a brief example, Mr. Speaker. One individual, when I met

with them, told me that in February month it cost $428 to heat their home. In

March month it was increased to $539 to heat that same house. There may have

been one or two days in the difference but the cost of the heating fuel had

risen. In Newfoundland it is not all fine weather in April month, but in April

month it cost $643. The cost of the fuel had escalated from $0.88 cents back in

February to $1.08. The tax paid at that time I think was somewhere in the

vicinity of $74.

Mr. Speaker, I call upon government hopefully, we will have a home

heating fuel program again next year.

AN HON. MEMBER: No doubt.

MR. BUTLER: No doubt we will, the hon. member says. Once again I say,

hopefully that will happen and hopefully they will look at it in such a way that

it possibly can come out a little bit earlier in the season for the individuals.

Mr. Speaker, another thing I want to mention I know it was in the Budget

this year about recruitment and retention for nurses and doctors. I am not going

to refer to it in such a way of bargaining, because those people are still

bargaining for their various contracts. I know personally, from individuals in

my district and from individuals I speak to at the Carbonear General Hospital

from time to time, those individuals are going through a very stressful time. We

hear it in the media and I am sure we all get the e-mails and the letters about

people who are working twelve-hour shifts on many occasions, only to get home

when they are called back again. They have a tremendous workload.

I know, Mr. Speaker, from travelling to the Carbonear General Hospital to

visit constituents from time to time and to see on a floor with probably sixteen

or seventeen patients, there were evenings when there is only one or two there

to care for them. Really, if one has to go anywhere or go for their lunch break,

there is only one person left on that floor. I have to say, Mr. Speaker, they do

a tremendous job, we all know that. They are trained professional people, but it

is sad when you see people on the floor of a hospital caring for those who are

sick, actually running from room to room to try to keep up with the needs. I

guess when there is only one or two of them there it limits their ability, what

they can do for the patients. I know the medical needs are looked after from

that perspective but there are many other issues that arise when those people

need immediate attention.

I heard an individual say the other day that - an individual who is a nurse

here in one of the hospitals in St. John's. She mentioned that one of the

people who worked with her - there was a vacancy and that vacancy has been

vacant now - that position has been vacant for two years. Nobody has been hired

on a part-time basis to go and give her a hand there.

It is also amazing the number of people who will be retiring in the next few

years. Hopefully, the retention program that we hear about will work. I know

there are things happening. I know two young individuals who live in my district

have returned to this Province from the United States and have taken up practice

here in St. John's. Hopefully, that will continue to happen.

Also, with the people who are in training, as they graduate they will see fit

to stay here. Mr. Speaker, it comes down to one thing again, they would love to

remain at home and work at home but the salary issue comes into force again. I

know we cannot pay everybody what we would like to pay them or what they are

getting in other places but we know for a fact that the nurses here, from what I

have heard, are the lowest paid. Some of them are 30 per cent less in what they

receive than in nurses somewhere else in the Maritime provinces.

We hear talk about all the job fairs, where people are coming in from other

provinces and other countries trying to attract our nurses to travel there. I

have to say, Mr. Speaker, unfortunately they are successful. I say unfortunately

because we are losing them, not that those people are going to different places

to benefit themselves.

Mr. Speaker, we do very little, I guess. Even though the last job fair that

was here the government did have a system in place advising people what was

available here in the Province, but listening to some of the people who were

taking part, they were very discouraged because very few people came in to see

what they had to offer.

All too often we hear different stories about individuals. We heard only

recently in the media about a lady who is a nurse here in St. John's. She went

to Toronto for a two or three day vacation and in doing so, she checked out what

it would mean to her if she went to, I think it was Boston. They were looking

for nurses in Boston. She went there and said the only reason she stayed here

was because there were relatives belonging to her that were sick and she did not

want to leave the family.

I know issues with health care go back over the years, and I guess they will

be with us for many years to come. I can remember when we were in government,

members opposite who were in the Opposition at that time, let me assure you,

they brought up many cases on health care issues, and rightly so. It seems to be

more of a troublesome thing today, now that the issue of the major work

opportunities that is in other provinces where they are paying so much more

money.

Mr. Speaker, this same lady, when she was visiting her friends in Ontario,

mentioned that at the airport she met three or four young individuals from this

Province who had just returned from the States and were interviewed, they were

going to return there and take up their duties.

Mr. Speaker, the same can be said for the recruitment of our doctors. We know

full well, Mr. Speaker, we hear it since the inquiry has been on, the regret

that people - specialists are deciding that they are going to move to other

provinces for various reasons. That is unfortunate.

I know in the Conception Bay North area, we have the same problem when it

comes to general practitioners. I have mentioned this on numerous occasions and

brought in petitions from residents who are really concerned about the lack of

general practitioners. The doctors that we have there, not a problem, they are

all good individuals doing the best they can, but for various reasons they move

on. Some of them who are residents of this Province, some of them move here to

the City of St. John's, and that is their prerogative to move here. Some of

them have taken their patients with them. They travel in here to Mount Pearl. I

know of one case where many patients - many residents of my district travel to

Mount Pearl to see the doctor that they had when he was stationed in Bay

Roberts. That is unfortunate for some of them, because many of them have

difficulty even getting to St. John's. It is not a problem -

AN HON. MEMBER: What is wrong with Mount Pearl?

MR. BUTLER: There is nothing wrong with Mount Pearl, I say to the hon.

member. That is not the issue, but unfortunately their doctor left our area and

went to Mount Pearl, and our residents are left without a GP. Hopefully, through

the recruitment program of this government that will take care of itself.

Mr. Speaker, we also have many GPs who come to our Province from various

countries. As a matter of fact, I saw my doctor this morning in the clinic in

Spaniard's Bay, a gentleman from South Africa, excellent doctor. My only hope

and prayer is that he is here for the long haul because I know over the past

seven years - I can speak from personal experience - I have had six different

general practitioners in that clinic in Spaniard's Bay. They move to the area

and it almost seems like when their probationary period is served, they up and

leave. That is unfortunate, and that is why we are left in the dilemma that we

are in. I know we cannot force them to stay here but hopefully, through a good

retention program, we will see an end come to this situation that we find

ourselves in.

I guess the most heart wrenching thing that comes out of all of this by not

having a general practitioner, is the residents when they have to come to St.

John's or go to Carbonear to have some specialty work done, whether it is an

X-ray, ultrasound, an MRI or what have you, they do not have a general

practitioner to send the reports back to. That is unfortunate. However, I think

many of them now are finding doctors in different areas. Some doctors that moved

from our area to St. John's even travel back out, whether it is once a month

or twice monthly, but they do travel back and visit the homes of our residents

to see them. So, that is all very well.

I think the biggest concern and the biggest problem with a lack of general

practitioners is the burden that it places on the emergency units of our

hospitals. I have heard it said that even though there are probably many general

practitioners here in the city, but the emergency units find it very difficult

to cope. The problem with it, Mr. Speaker, is that - I know from the area that I

represent, when they do not have a general practitioner, when they do not have

one they will try and call and they will get a recording saying: In case of

emergency, go to the emergency unit at the Carbonear General Hospital.

Naturally, Mr. Speaker, no matter what your complaint is, how minor or how much

of an emergency it is, everybody feels that it is an emergency and I am going to

Carbonear hospital.

We have a tremendous backlog of people waiting at the emergency unit. Really,

the staff who are there are overworked, but they cannot help it. You have to go

there, and I have had cases where people had to wait as long as eight and nine

hours to get in to see the doctor in the emergency unit. I am glad to report

that this year in the Budget - I know it is not going to do with any staffing,

but there is $4 million that has been allocated, I think, for the Carbonear

General Hospital to make some major changes down there, and no doubt major

changes need to be made. I know for a fact for people who go there to have an

ultrasound there is no waiting area and they have to take a chair, while they

are waiting for another patient to come out, and sit in one of the washrooms.

Hopefully this is going to correct itself. It is unfortunate that people have to

do that but I can assure, Mr Speaker, that is definitely happening.

I know we are always talking about our heath care. I believe, and have no

problem in saying, that when we look at the health care we have in this country,

I think we have a health care system that many other countries would want to

have. Just two or three years ago while vacationing in the eastern part of the

United States, when people asked us where we were from and we told them we were

from Canada and Newfoundland, they said: one thing we would love to have is your

health care system. Even though we complain about the issues, the long wait

lists and the shortage of nurses and doctors, the system itself I think is a

wonderful system, when we can go to a hospital at any given time and basically

it is free of charge. That part of it I have no problems with, but what happens

is when issues arise where things cannot be done, I guess, the way that we would

like to see them done.

I had a call just last week from an individual who is a prostate patient and

he is on the emergency list. He advised me that he has to wait until September

of this year. September of this year! Like he said, if it was problem, an

emergency, back three or four months ago, what is it going to be listed as by

the time he gets to see the specialist within another five or six months.

Many people, when they are patients at the hospital, they are given their

various medications. I know I had a call from another family who have a resident

who is a cancer patient and 80 per cent of their medications are covered. I

think this young gentleman even wrote a letter to the paper asking government to

look into it. Like he said, 80 per cent of his meds are covered but his

medications cost an additional $470, plus his transportation, plus the hospital

he has to come to, plus his meals when he comes to St. John's. He called the

department to see if anything else could be done for him. This is the response

that he received, and this is unfortunate. I am not saying every case is like

this but it has to be checked out. He was told that he must take his ex-wife to

court for child support in order to get additional help. He advised me that he

and his wife had been divorced for six years. That is an unfortunate situation

to find yourself in, that you have to go and take a lady to court that you

divorced six years ago for child support in order to get the additional

medications due to being a cancer patient.

Mr. Speaker, the other thing is the Newfoundland and Labrador Provincial Drug

Program, a wonderful program. There are four or five different areas now where

you can apply for your medications. One thing that is surfacing now, and I get

numerous phone calls and I am sure other hon. members do as well, is when you go

to your specialist and he writes out a prescription for you to take to the drug

store to get your medications and it is rejected by the drug program. What those

people have to do is take an application back to the specialist once again to

make out a paper that is known as the authorization form. Here is the same

signature going on a larger piece of paper rather than the prescription form

that he had. When he takes that back in he will get his medication. Mr. Speaker,

I think that is unfortunate and it has happened in so many cases that it is

becoming a problem for many people.

Another issue that we encounter like I said, we have a good health

program but there are little glitches, I guess. There are patients who receive

prescriptions from their specialists and from their general practitioners

telling them to take two pills per day. When they go and get it and they get the

little pill bottle back from the drug store: Sorry, you cannot take two pills a

day. We checked with the drug program but they are advising you that you are

only allowed to take one pill a day. Here we are in a system that is so good

going against what the specialists and the general practitioners are asking for.

We hear from time to time about the issue about oxygen. I know the Minister

of Health and Community Service answered those questions. This year, I know

there were some improvements with the oxygen issue, but many people, Mr.

Speaker, who find themselves having problems it is with the small canisters.

What it is, when they become of age - I know the cases that I am referring to -

when they become of age and receive their old age pension and the supplement,

they do not qualify any more, even though their financial means cannot provide

them with that help, and they find themselves in very difficult situation.

Mr. Speaker, over the past several months, and even prior to the last general

election, we had an opportunity to sit down and meet with the seniors of our

area and throughout the Province, the Newfoundland and Labrador 50 Plus

Federation. They sat down and expressed many concerns that they had. I guess

they are too numerous to mention here today. One of them was that they had not

had a raise in their pensions since 1989. I know the government at this time has

stated very clearly that nothing will be done in that regard. They were looking

for indexing in their pensions, and it is unfortunate that something could not

be done for those people. Because I can assure you, Mr. Speaker, when you hear

the stories that they have to tell, and what the value of the dollar was when

they went on their pensions versus the value of the dollar today and what they

have to do to survive, it is very amazing how they even make ends meet, Mr.

Speaker.

Another issue that they had is affordable housing. I believe there are

programs now coming out from Newfoundland and Labrador Housing that will see

additional units change, and hopefully they will be there to benefit the people

that need them the most.

One of the issues they bring up is doctors in rural Newfoundland and

Labrador. I guess I covered off on that. They find it a major concern having

some of our older residents travelling either to St. John's or other centres

throughout the Province from the community where they live because they do not

have a doctor. I guess one of the things government did listen to from them is,

they wanted to see a reduction in the registration of motor vehicles, and that

did take place. Government increased it to $180, and saw fit now, when the times

are better, to bring it back to $140. I am sure the seniors of this Province

appreciate that, because that was one of the issues they brought forward, not

only to us, but brought forward to government as well.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot help but make a few comments on federal relations. I

mentioned in the Budget yesterday - and I hope my figures are correct - that 27

per cent of this year's Budget is federal funding. Mr. Speaker, we hear so

much of the past, and I know when we were in government, the opposition of the

day used to say, look, why we are not getting anything from Ottawa is because

you have such a poor relationship with Ottawa; the former administration. Today

we hear battles back and forth. I know ministers on the opposite side meet with

their counterparts in Ottawa and good things are coming from it, but I think

overall there are some issues that are probably not being dealt with because of

what happened, back some time ago.

One of the issues I want to refer to is brought up fairly often, and that is

the ferry service to our Province, either from Argentia in the summertime or

North Sydney year-round. Hopefully the day will come, and I am hoping that the

Minister of Transportation and Works and other officials, whether it be the

Intergovernmental Affairs Minister, in dealing with various federal issues, will

see to it that the service that is provided to the people of this Province

should be next to none. After all, it is our Trans-Canada Highway, when we look

at from Port aux Basques to North Sydney, and I can assure you that, travelling

at least once a year on that system, it leaves something to be desired. I know

they are referring to a new ferry that hopefully will come into the system

fairly soon. All I am asking is that our government here make sure that whatever

can be done will be done to see to it that our residents - and not only our

residents but the people from all over Canada and the States who come to visit

us, at various times of the year - have a reasonable means of transportation

coming to this Island.

The other one, Mr. Speaker, we hear so much about - and I am sure the

Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture is well-known on this one - is the

custodial management, and how the federal government are dealing with that. I

think more can be done there, Mr. Speaker. We are doing fine now because the

crab fishery and the shrimp fishery and other species are to a point where it is

carrying the day for us; but, then again, I believe that in years to come, when

all the oil is gone - and I hope they will keep finding oil wells - that we can

keep in the position that we are in, and have a Budget like we have this year.

Mr. Speaker, the day will come when we may have, and want, to go back to the

fishery, the way it was since we moved on this Island many, many years ago. The

cod fishery - I will always say it, I believe it - the cod fishery is the life

and the backbone of rural Newfoundland and Labrador. Even though we can bring

different industries there, and the oil will bring benefits to various areas of

the Province, the fishery is far and foremost the most important.

Mr. Speaker, I just want to touch on a few issues, I guess, when it comes to

the environment and conservation, some of the major issues that face us on a

daily basis here in this Province. I know one that has been in the media for

quite some time, and that is the one that is known - and I know my hon. member,

the Minister of Municipal and Provincial Affairs, told me the other day that it

is a landfill; you can't say dump. When I refer to the New Harbour issue, I

have to call it the New Harbour dump. It is a landfill all right; it is filled

up with everything that shouldn't be seen.

AN HON. MEMBER: It is engineered.

MR. BUTLER: What?

AN HON. MEMBER: It is engineered.

MR. BUTLER: It is engineered.

I have to say, Mr. Speaker, that is an issue that is of grave concern to the

people on the Trinity Bay side, the New Harbour landfill that is on New Harbour

Road.

I know for a fact that the Minister of Environment and Conservation has

attended meetings, even before becoming a member of the Cabinet, about that

issue over there, and how it is a major concern for the residents.

I know it has been ongoing for quite some time. I remember full well when the

site was cleaned up in Makinsons. I know, at that time, not knowing what was

going to come forward today, the canisters, the PCBs, were supposedly all

cleaned from those cylinders and they were taken there, they say, under the

cover of darkness.

It is not only that; it is not only the PCBs that are there. It is everything

being dumped in that facility. It was supposed to be closed down quite some time

ago. I know various ministers - and the hon. Speaker himself was a minister at

one time, when it comes to that facility, and he said: It has to be cleaned up.

It has to be closed. Money is not the thing; it is the safety and the concerns

of the people - but today we are still waiting for that to happen.

By closing that dump, which should be done, and the sooner the better, it

creates a major problem for the people on the shore, because now they are

negotiating or waiting for a report to come back to see if they can take their

waste material to Winterton versus St. John's. The reason for that is the cost

for those smaller communities. I know communities in my area travel to St. John's,

to Robin Hood Bay, but it is a tremendous cost to them. I know we have to do

something with the garbage, and hopefully sooner rather than later

AN HON. MEMBER: It is not garbage; it is waste.

MR. BUTLER: Waste, I am sorry. The hon. member keeps correcting me - the

waste and the landfills.

I have to say, the cost to those smaller communities is tremendous. They are

trying to make an arrangement to go to Winterton. Now, rather than eleven

communities, I only read this past week, I think it is all the way from

Whitbourne area all the way down the shore and back up the Conception Bay side

to Western Bay that find themselves in the same position.

Hopefully, Mr. Speaker, the day will come when all of this is corrected and

maybe there will be regional facilities for all that is to be carried out, and

it will not cost so much for the residents of the various areas.

Another issue, Mr. Speaker, I guess is our tire storage and recycling

program. I know on a couple of occasions we felt that was corrected, that we had

found the right solution to it, but we know full well that we are still

stockpiling them in Placentia and I believe in other areas, and it is costing

government. I believe this year it was announced that it would cost an

additional $500,000 just to stockpile them. Hopefully, in the very near future

the government will find a way to see that this is not a problem anymore.

Another issue that came up this year was the water quality. I know it came

about because of a report that came in from another province, but through it all

hopefully we have all learned a lesson. Once this was checked out we feel fairly

confident with the numbers of communities that have safe drinking water and that

the systems are checked properly. I know government has thirty-six of those

inspectors, but the report that I saw recently showed there were, I believe, six

vacancies.

Mr. Speaker, water quality is a very serious concern. It even came up in the

Auditor General's report. The concern that I had I know samples of water

are tested in the various communities, but I called a couple of the communities

in my district and the concern that they had as well is that the inspectors, and

I am not saying every town, but the inspectors didn't go to the actual

facility where the chlorine is entering the system. Taking samples from various

businesses and various homes, that was fine, but I think if the inspectors went

to I am not saying they don't go to some of them, but I know a couple they

didn't go to. If this chlorine that wasn't authorized to be used, if that

was in storage there they may have detected it. Thank God, it wasn't to the

point where anyone because sick or anything over it. It is good to know that the

issue has been looked into.

The other issue I want to touch on is poverty reduction. I know the

government has a system in place. We hear it often from members on both sides of

the House, because government members are on this side as well. Sometimes I get

lost when I hear the applauding behind me. I think it is for me, but it is not.

Mr. Speaker, they have a system and other provinces in our nation are looking to

implementing the same program. That is good, but, Mr. Speaker, we still have a

long way to go. There is no doubt about that, because I was reading the other

day - the hon. Member for St. John's North, in one of his speeches last year.

He made it very clear - I do not know if I will go along with his statement

because he said he felt that they were going to be in power for another twelve

to sixteen years. I do not know if I would go along with that part, but he did

say he felt very strongly about poverty. He made it very clear that even in that

timeframe maybe we will not be able to get it to the point where we want it in

this Province. Then again, hopefully we will. Even though government felt we

would have the lowest percentage of poverty in the Province for our country

within a ten-year timeframe. It is all fine to say that, but hopefully that will

happen.

One of the things I know I would like to see is - the Poverty Reduction

Strategy, we agree with that but I think we have to see the real evidence, what

is really happening there. Maybe a social audit is the way to go so that a

report card can be given. I know the coalition of religious leaders against

poverty, they were also advocating for that. So, hopefully the minister in his

wisdom will do just that.

The way poverty is defined with a low-income cut-off, some of the figures to

me were startling. In this report - and I think this was back in 2004 so it

might not be totally accurate at this present time. They stated that a family of

four living in rural Newfoundland - and they named the community, they named the

town, Baie Verte - is considered to be living in low income, in poverty, with an

after tax income, if they are less than $20,844. Then if you move into, a family

of the same size and you move into Grand Falls-Windsor, they need an after tax

break, they need an income of $23,856. If you move the same size family right

here in the City of St. John's, an after tax income of $26,948.

I know government this year has many initiatives to help combat poverty in

this Province, like the elimination of school fees and many other issues, but

still I think if we have to get the families up to a taxable income, after taxes

to the figures I just announced, no doubt - and government has increased the

minimum wage, but if you have someone working thirty or thirty-five hours a week

for fifty-two weeks a year, they are a long ways from those figures that I just

released. Hopefully, over a period of time that will be corrected, but to say -

regardless what the figure is, the main thing is to see that our people who are

below that line now, in the not to distant future that issue will be corrected.

The other issue I want to touch on just briefly, I guess, are some issues

that are under the heading of Municipal and Provincial Affairs. I have to say,

any day that anything comes forward that I believe is good, and there is lots of

good in the Budget, but there are lots of issues that have to be dealt with. The

announcement that the minister made with the infrastructure program, the

percentages that the municipalities will have to pay, I think it is just

wonderful. It is something that I guess is a lifeblood for our, not only our

medium-sized towns but our smaller towns, to know that they are on a 90-10

basis. The larger communities, which cover all of the ones in my district, are

either 90-10 or 80-20. I think that speaks very highly.

One of the things I would like to make a comment on is our Community

Enhancement Programs. I have to say, Mr. Speaker, a tremendous amount of good

comes out of those programs. Even though they are only small in nature and some

districts get more money than others, I have no problem with that because some

areas have more concerns and, I guess, a greater percentage of unemployment than

the other centres. Over the past couple of years I think I got somewhere in the

vicinity of $52,000. I could not believe that I only got $52,000 from the

Community Enhancement Programs, which are wonderful projects -

AN HON. MEMBER: Lots of jobs there.

MR. BUTLER: Lots of jobs there, as the hon. member says.

What really confused me was when I saw my member up in Harbour Main district

and he got $140,000 or $150,000 and my hon. colleague who was on this side of

the House then for Carbonear, not the new member, the previous member, he had

$150,000 or $160,000. I could not believe that my district was so rich and had

the two poor ones on each end. I am just calling upon the minister this year,

when he looks at the program, make it a little bit more.

I have to say, the work that is done with those projects, $5,000 or $6,000 to

some community hall or some sporting event where the facility that they use,

whether it is a field or an indoor attraction, it is tremendous. Not only that,

it helps a family to not have to go on social assistance in that particular

year. It may not be a high EI program, the money that they receive, but at least

they have dignity. By having their insurable earnings, they can probably get on

one of the EI top ups to the federal program and make it all that much better

for them. So, that is one of the things I would like to mention there.

When it comes to the Avalon Waste Management, I know there is a lot of work

that has to be done, hopefully, over the next few years. We all know of the Dog

Hill incident. That has gone by the wayside. A new committee has been put in

place, I understand. A couple of individuals from out in my area are members on

that, not in my particular district but in adjacent districts. There is a lot of

work that has to be done. I have to say that those towns - it has to be looked

at, Mr. Speaker, when it comes to the cost for them of bringing their waste to

the Robin Hood Bay landfill. Believe it or not, I got it all right that time. I

never mentioned anything.

One other thing - I know my time is running down, I only got fifty seconds

left. One other thing I would like to mention is in reference to Human

Resources, Labour and Employment. Back a few years ago the minister of the day,

in her wisdom - twenty or twenty-four offices were closed. She used technology

as the reason for it. That is true. She made another statement today about

technology, and we know how it works. I have to say, and I am not saying all

twenty or twenty-four offices should remain open, but they did close in my area

and the workers were transferred to Carbonear just for a short period of time.

Now I think they are here in the city when it comes to income support. I just

wanted to make a comment that residents who have to use that system are finding

it very difficult, even though - I am not arguing about the technology side of

it, but they feel they are not being treated fairly and they cannot get to see

the actual worker that they are dealing with. From time to time, people who need

transportation on a quick notice, they are unable to get it the way they could

before, because they could actually go into an office and ask for that support.

Mr. Speaker, I will give you the pleasure of not having to stand and say I am

out of time. I just want to thank you for the opportunity.

MR. SPEAKER (Osborne): The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We are going to fix it, right? A minister replying to a non-confidence motion

gets an hour if he so desires. He may not desire.

Mr. Speaker, thank you very much.

I want to take a few minutes - I do not know how many minutes, but I

certainly want to take a few minutes - to take

part in the Budget debate this

afternoon.

Before I do, though, Mr. Speaker, I want to take the opportunity as well,

because this is the first time since the House reconvened and since the election

in October that I will have had an opportunity to speak in a general debate in

the Legislature. I have spoken, of course, on numerous occasions, in introducing

bills or private member resolutions, or Question Period or whatever, but it is

the first time I have had an opportunity to speak in a general debate where you

can be wide-ranging and hit on a lot of topics.

In that context, I certainly want to take the opportunity to congratulate all

members who were elected to this place in October past, those who were

re-elected and those who were elected here for the first time. Mr. Speaker, I

have had the privilege of being elected to this Chamber on eight occasions.

While that is not a record, I understand that since Confederation it ties a

record.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: There is only a handful of people: Ed Roberts, former

Lieutenant-Governor, Paddy Canning, Tom Lush there is a handful, half a

dozen people, I understand - perhaps Mr. Smallwood himself, I am not sure - a

half a dozen people who have been elected that number of times. So I am tempted,

in one way, to go once more. I don't know

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: There are certain people out there perhaps listening to

this, this evening, who will have other thoughts in their head, but sometimes it

is tempting.

Also, of course, in that context of running and being elected here for that

number of times, in about a year from now - I believe it is October of next year

- I will have had the privilege of being the longest serving member in this

Legislature.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. RIDEOUT: Again, a good friend of mine, a person I had an opportunity

to serve with, actually, Mr. Canning, Paddy Canning, who represented

Burin-Placentia West, is the longest serving member of this Legislature right

now, at something over twenty-seven years, I believe. Come some time in the next

few months, I will pass that. It is a tremendous privilege, I don't mind

saying. I feel privileged and honoured. I didn't realize, when I came in here

as a young twenty-six-year-old in 1975, that I would still be here today and

have all of those years accumulated in experience. So, to all those people over

the years who have put their faith and their confidence and their trust in me,

it is humbling, and I want to say I am humbled by their kindness and by their

support.

I have managed to be elected in more than one district. It was a privilege to

represent the people of Lewisporte district for almost ten years, I guess; I was

elected there in 1999, and I left there in 2007. It was a tremendous group of

people to represent. I made some tremendous friends there, Jacinta made some

tremendous friends there, and we enjoyed immensely going to Lewisporte and being

part of the Lewisporte community. It certainly enriched us, and enriched our

lives, and hopefully we were able to make a contribution to the overall good of

the communities in that district in the time that we spent there; but I decided

in September, or I guess around September, that there was an opportunity to go

back home, an opportunity to go back to my political roots, to my birthplace, to

the place that had given me nourishment and encouragement over the years as a

young person who had political aspirations.

I have never covered up, or tried to cover up, the fact that I have had

political aspirations from the time I was a teenager, to the time that I arrived

in this place, up until this day. I make no bones, Mr. Speaker, or any

apologies, about having political aspirations. I would encourage young people in

Newfoundland and Labrador today, despite what they might hear about politicians,

to aspire to an elected political career. It is a privilege and an honour that

is bestowed only on forty-eight people, every four years, in this Province, to

come here at their wish and as a result of their vote, and to be their voice and

their representative in this House. That, in my view, is the highest calling

that any citizen can have in Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: I encourage young people to aspire to be leaders, to be

political leaders in their towns, in their communities, in their Province, in

their Country, and I am sure they will. Just as we were young and idealistic

thirty-odd years ago, there are young idealists out there today who are

bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. They want to change the world and they have the

fire and the vim and the vigour and the vision and the determination to make a

difference, and I hope they will come forward and do that.

In that context, as I said, Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate all members

who have been elected here, those who have been re-elected and those who have

been elected for the first time. I want to congratulate Mr. Speaker for

accepting the onerous task of presiding over this place, and yourself as Deputy

Speaker and Deputy Chair of Committees and so on. It is not always easy to

preside over this place. We saw it today, perhaps, particularly during Question

Period when tem

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