British Columbia Hansard — Monday, February 27, 2006

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British Columbia — Debates (Hansard)

Second Session, 38th Parliament OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY (HANSARD) Monday, February 27, 2006 Afternoon Sitting Volume 6, Number 13 THE HONOURABLE BILL BARISOFF, SPEAKER ISSN 0709-1281

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA (Entered Confederation July 20, 1871) LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR Her Honour the Honourable Iona V. Campagnolo, CM, OBC SECOND SESSION, 38TH PARLIAMENT SPEAKER OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Honourable Bill Barisoff EXECUTIVE COUNCIL Premier and President of the Executive Council ............................................................................................................Hon. Gordon Campbell Minister of State for Intergovernmental Relations .......................................................................................................... Hon.

John van Dongen Deputy Premier and Minister of Education and Minister Responsible for Early Learning and Literacy...................... Hon. Shirley Bond Minister of Aboriginal Relations and Reconciliation .......................................................................................................Hon. Tom Christensen Minister of Advanced Education and Minister Responsible for Research and Technology ........................................... Hon.

Murray Coell Minister of Agriculture and Lands.......................................................................................................................................................Hon. Pat Bell Attorney General and Minister Responsible for Multiculturalism............................................................................... Hon. Wally Oppal, QC Minister of Children and Family Development ..........................................................................................................................Hon.

Stan Hagen Minister of State for Childcare ........................................................................................................................................................Hon. Linda Reid Minister of Community Services and Minister Responsible for Seniors’ and Women’s Issues........................................... Hon. Ida Chong Minister of Economic Development and Minister Responsible for the Asia-Pacific Initiative and the Olympics.................Hon.

Colin Hansen Minister of Employment and Income Assistance ...........................................................................................................Hon. Claude Richmond Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources .......................................................................................................Hon. Richard Neufeld Minister of State for Mining............................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Bill Bennett Minister of Environment and Minister Responsible for Water Stewardship and Sustainable Communities ...............Hon. Barry Penner Minister of Finance.......................................................................................................................................................................Hon. Carole Taylor Minister of Forests and Range and Minister Responsible for Housing ............................................................................. Hon.

Rich Coleman Minister of Health ......................................................................................................................................................................Hon. George Abbott Minister of Labour and Citizens’ Services .......................................................................................................................... Hon. Michael de Jong Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General................................................................................................................................Hon.

John Les Minister of Small Business and Revenue and Minister Responsible for Deregulation ...................................................... Hon. Rick Thorpe Minister of Tourism, Sport and the Arts .........................................................................................................................................Hon. Olga Ilich Minister of Transportation...........................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Kevin Falcon LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Leader of the Official Opposition .........................................................................................................................................................Carole James Deputy Speaker ....................................................................................................................................................................................Sindi Hawkins Assistant Deputy Speaker.....................................................................................................................................................................Sue Hammell Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole.................................................................................................................................................

Harry Bloy Clerk of the Legislative Assembly .........................................................................................................................E. George MacMinn, OBC, QC Clerk Assistant.........................................................................................................................................................................................Robert Vaive Clerk Assistant and Law Clerk .......................................................................................................................................................Ian D.

Izard, QC Clerk Assistant and Clerk of Committees ....................................................................................................................................... Craig H. James Clerk Assistant and Committee Clerk ..........................................................................................................................................Kate Ryan-Lloyd Sergeant-at-Arms............................................................................................................................................................................. A.A.

Humphreys Director, Hansard Services ..................................................................................................................................................Anthony Dambrauskas Legislative Librarian ..................................................................................................................................................................................Jane Taylor Legislative Comptroller...............................................................................................................................................................................Dan Arbic

Party Standings: Liberal 46; New Democratic 33 ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS Abbott, Hon. George (L) ..........................................................................Shuswap Austin, Robin (NDP)...................................................................................Skeena Bains, Harry (NDP)....................................................................... Surrey-Newton Barisoff, Hon. Bill (L)...............................................Penticton–Okanagan Valley Bell, Hon. Pat (L) ..................................................................Prince George North Bennett, Hon.

Bill (L) .....................................................................East Kootenay Black, Iain (L) ..................................................................Port Moody–Westwood Bloy, Harry (L).....................................................................................Burquitlam Bond, Hon. Shirley (L).......................................... Prince George–Mount Robson Brar, Jagrup (NDP)..........................................................Surrey–Panorama Ridge Campbell, Hon. Gordon (L) ..............................................

Vancouver–Point Grey Cantelon, Ron (L)................................................................... Nanaimo-Parksville Chong, Hon. Ida (L) ......................................................... Oak Bay–Gordon Head Chouhan, Raj (NDP) ................................................................Burnaby-Edmonds Christensen, Hon. Tom (L) ...................................................... Okanagan-Vernon Chudnovsky, Dave (NDP).................................................Vancouver-Kensington Coell, Hon. Murray (L) ..........................................Saanich North and the Islands Coleman, Hon.

Rich (L)................................................Fort Langley–Aldergrove Conroy, Katrine (NDP) ............................................... West Kootenay–Boundary Coons, Gary (NDP) .............................................................................North Coast Cubberley, David (NDP)................................................................. Saanich South de Jong, Hon.

Michael (L) ........................................Abbotsford–Mount Lehman Dix, Adrian (NDP) ..............................................................Vancouver-Kingsway Evans, Corky (NDP)......................................................................Nelson-Creston Falcon, Hon. Kevin (L) ............................................................

Surrey-Cloverdale Farnworth, Mike (NDP) ....................................Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain Fleming, Rob (NDP) ...................................................................Victoria-Hillside Fraser, Scott (NDP) ...................................................................Alberni-Qualicum Gentner, Guy (NDP)............................................................................ Delta North Hagen, Hon. Stan (L) ......................................................................Comox Valley Hammell, Sue (NDP) ........................................................

Surrey–Green Timbers Hansen, Hon. Colin (L) .......................................................Vancouver-Quilchena Hawes, Randy (L)............................................................... Maple Ridge–Mission Hawkins, Sindi (L) .................................................................... Kelowna-Mission Hayer, Dave S. (L) ..................................................................... Surrey-Tynehead Hogg, Gordon (L)................................................................... Surrey–White Rock Horgan, John (NDP)...........................................................

Malahat–Juan de Fuca Horning, Al (L)................................................................ Kelowna–Lake Country Ilich, Hon. Olga (L)....................................................................Richmond Centre James, Carole (NDP)............................................................Victoria–Beacon Hill Jarvis, Daniel (L)........................................................North Vancouver–Seymour Karagianis, Maurine (NDP) .................................................Esquimalt-Metchosin Krog, Leonard (NDP)..............................................................................

Nanaimo Krueger, Kevin (L)................................................... Kamloops–North Thompson Kwan, Jenny Wai Ching (NDP)................................ Vancouver–Mount Pleasant Lali, Harry (NDP)..............................................................................Yale-Lillooet Lee, Richard T. (L).........................................................................Burnaby North Lekstrom, Blair (L)................................................................... Peace River South Les, Hon. John (L)....................................................................

Chilliwack-Sumas Macdonald, Norm (NDP)......................................... Columbia River–Revelstoke MacKay, Dennis (L)......................................................... Bulkley Valley–Stikine Mayencourt, Lorne (L)............................................................Vancouver-Burrard McIntyre, Joan (L)...................................................... West Vancouver–Garibaldi Neufeld, Hon. Richard (L) ....................................................... Peace River North Nuraney, John (L)..................................................................Burnaby-Willingdon Oppal, Hon.

Wally, QC (L)............................................... Vancouver-Fraserview Penner, Hon. Barry (L)................................................................ Chilliwack-Kent Polak, Mary (L) ......................................................................................... Langley Puchmayr, Chuck (NDP)........................................................... New Westminster Ralston, Bruce (NDP) ...................................................................Surrey-Whalley Reid, Hon. Linda (L) ..................................................................... Richmond East Richmond, Hon.

Claude (L)...................................................................Kamloops Robertson, Gregor (NDP) .....................................................Vancouver-Fairview Roddick, Valerie (L)............................................................................ Delta South Routley, Doug (NDP).......................................................... Cowichan-Ladysmith Rustad, John (L) ..............................................................Prince George–Omineca Sather, Michael (NDP)..............................................

Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows Simons, Nicholas (NDP) ........................................ Powell River–Sunshine Coast Simpson, Bob (NDP).......................................................................Cariboo North Simpson, Shane (NDP) ......................................................... Vancouver-Hastings Sultan, Ralph (L) .........................................................West Vancouver–Capilano Taylor, Hon. Carole (L)..........................................................

Vancouver-Langara Thorne, Diane (NDP) ......................................................Coquitlam-Maillardville Thorpe, Hon. Rick (L)............................................................Okanagan-Westside Trevena, Claire (NDP) .......................................................................North Island van Dongen, Hon. John (L)..................................................Abbotsford-Clayburn Whittred, Katherine (L).............................................

North Vancouver–Lonsdale Wyse, Charlie (NDP) ......................................................................Cariboo South Yap, John (L)........................................................................Richmond-Steveston LIST OF MEMBERS BY RIDING Abbotsford-Clayburn ........................................................ Hon. John van Dongen Abbotsford–Mount Lehman................................................Hon. Michael de Jong Alberni-Qualicum ...............................................................................

Scott Fraser Bulkley Valley–Stikine ................................................................ Dennis MacKay Burnaby North................................................................................ Richard T. Lee Burnaby-Edmonds............................................................................. Raj Chouhan Burnaby-Willingdon ........................................................................John Nuraney Burquitlam............................................................................................

Harry Bloy Cariboo North....................................................................................Bob Simpson Cariboo South................................................................................... Charlie Wyse Chilliwack-Kent ....................................................................... Hon. Barry Penner Chilliwack-Sumas ........................................................................... Hon.

John Les Columbia River–Revelstoke ......................................................Norm Macdonald Comox Valley .............................................................................Hon. Stan Hagen Coquitlam-Maillardville................................................................... Diane Thorne Cowichan-Ladysmith .......................................................................Doug Routley Delta North........................................................................................

Guy Gentner Delta South...................................................................................Valerie Roddick East Kootenay ............................................................................Hon. Bill Bennett Esquimalt-Metchosin ............................................................. Maurine Karagianis Fort Langley–Aldergrove....................................................... Hon. Rich Coleman Kamloops ......................................................................... Hon. Claude Richmond Kamloops–North Thompson..........................................................

Kevin Krueger Kelowna–Lake Country .......................................................................Al Horning Kelowna-Mission ............................................................................Sindi Hawkins Langley................................................................................................

Mary Polak Malahat–Juan de Fuca........................................................................John Horgan Maple Ridge–Mission ......................................................................Randy Hawes Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows...........................................................Michael Sather Nanaimo ...........................................................................................Leonard Krog Nanaimo-Parksville..........................................................................

Ron Cantelon Nelson-Creston.................................................................................. Corky Evans New Westminster ........................................................................Chuck Puchmayr North Coast .........................................................................................Gary Coons North Island.................................................................................... Claire Trevena North Vancouver–Lonsdale ....................................................

Katherine Whittred North Vancouver–Seymour .............................................................. Daniel Jarvis Oak Bay–Gordon Head.................................................................Hon. Ida Chong Okanagan-Vernon ..............................................................Hon. Tom Christensen Okanagan-Westside................................................................... Hon. Rick Thorpe Peace River North ...............................................................Hon.

Richard Neufeld Peace River South ..........................................................................Blair Lekstrom Penticton–Okanagan Valley...................................................... Hon. Bill Barisoff Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain................................................. Mike Farnworth Port Moody–Westwood .........................................................................Iain Black Powell River–Sunshine Coast.....................................................Nicholas Simons Prince George North .........................................................................Hon.

Pat Bell Prince George–Mount Robson................................................. Hon. Shirley Bond Prince George–Omineca .....................................................................John Rustad Richmond Centre .......................................................................... Hon. Olga Ilich Richmond East ............................................................................ Hon. Linda Reid Richmond-Steveston ............................................................................... John Yap Saanich North and the Islands..................................................Hon.

Murray Coell Saanich South..............................................................................David Cubberley Shuswap ................................................................................ Hon. George Abbott Skeena ...............................................................................................Robin Austin Surrey-Cloverdale ....................................................................Hon. Kevin Falcon Surrey–Green Timbers.....................................................................

Sue Hammell Surrey-Newton ....................................................................................Harry Bains Surrey–Panorama Ridge...................................................................... Jagrup Brar Surrey-Tynehead .............................................................................Dave S. Hayer Surrey-Whalley ............................................................................... Bruce Ralston Surrey–White Rock..........................................................................

Gordon Hogg Vancouver-Burrard .................................................................. Lorne Mayencourt Vancouver-Fairview.................................................................. Gregor Robertson Vancouver-Fraserview ...................................................... Hon. Wally Oppal, QC Vancouver-Hastings...................................................................... Shane Simpson Vancouver-Kensington ........................................................... David Chudnovsky Vancouver-Kingsway...........................................................................

Adrian Dix Vancouver-Langara.................................................................Hon. Carole Taylor Vancouver–Mount Pleasant .............................................Jenny Wai Ching Kwan Vancouver–Point Grey..................................................... Hon. Gordon Campbell Vancouver-Quilchena ............................................................. Hon. Colin Hansen Victoria–Beacon Hill ........................................................................Carole James Victoria-Hillside................................................................................

Rob Fleming West Kootenay–Boundary ............................................................ Katrine Conroy West Vancouver–Capilano ............................................................... Ralph Sultan West Vancouver–Garibaldi............................................................. Joan McIntyre Yale-Lillooet ..........................................................................................Harry Lali

CONTENTS Monday, February 27, 2006 Afternoon Sitting Routine Proceedings Page Tributes ....................................................................................................................... ............................................................. 2495 Canadian Olympic team Hon. O.

Ilich Introductions by Members ....................................................................................................... .............................................. 2495 Introduction and First Reading of Bills........................................................................................ ......................................... 2495 Apology Act (Bill M202) L. Mayencourt Statements (Standing Order 25B) .............................................................................................................................. ............. 2496 Canadian Olympic athletes J.

McIntyre WestShore Centre for Learning and Training M. Karagianis Down Syndrome Research Foundation R. Lee The Valley of the Fraser H. Bains Freedom of expression and multicultural understanding J. Nuraney Black History Month S. Simpson Oral Questions................................................................................................................. ......................................................... 2498 Review of seniors care in health facilities C. James Hon. G. Abbott K. Conroy D. Cubberley C. Wyse Acropolis Manor G. Coons Hon. G. Abbott Review of seniors care in health facilities J.

Kwan Hon. G. Abbott Private lodges and resorts in provincial parks S. Simpson Hon. B. Penner Permit for herbicide spraying along E&N rail corridor S. Fraser Hon. B. Penner Petitions...................................................................................................................... ............................................................... 2502 J. Horgan Tabling Documents.............................................................................................................. .................................................... 2503 Public Service Benefit Plan Act, annual report

Budget Debate (continued)............................................................................................................................... ........................ 2503 C. Puchmayr B. Lekstrom M. Karagianis Hon. P. Bell D. Chudnovsky Hon. C. Hansen J. Horgan D. Jarvis

2495 MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 The House met at 2:03 p.m. Tributes CANADIAN OLYMPIC TEAM Hon. O. Ilich: I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate all of our Canadian athletes who gave it their best in Torino and who are model ambassadors of the Olympic ideals of fair play, tolerance and friend- ship. I would especially like to congratulate Christine Keshen of Invermere and Sa ndra Jenkins of Salmon Arm for their bronze medal in women's curling. We all look forward to cheering on our Paralympic team be- ginning March 10.

Yesterday marked the end of the games in Torino and began the official countdown to 2010, and in 2010 it will be our turn. That's 1,445 days from now. So would the House please join with me in congratulating Canada's and B.C.'s Olympic athletes for a job well done. Introductions by Members C. Puchmayr: Today I have a couple of very special guests in the gallery from my riding of New Westmin- ster. They are Lynn Bueckert and Craig Derksen, and they are Olympians in their own right for all the work they do in volunteer work in our city. J.

Yap: I would like the House to join me in wel- coming 30 students — grade five and six classes — from a school in my riding, Tomekichi Homma Ele- mentary School, who are visiting the Legislature today. They're in the precincts. Th ey may be in the gallery, and they're with their teacher Mr. Don Allison. Would the House please make them feel welcome. C. Evans: We have the honour of being visited to- day by a constituent of mi ne, Candace Batycki. She's sitting in the audience. Would members make her wel- come and excuse her for the company that she keeps. [1405] Hon. P.

Bell: We're joined today by a group of gentlemen who represent a new industry that's devel- oping significant momentum in northern British Co- lumbia, and that is bioenergy. It's becoming a signifi- cant player, certainly an environmentally friendly in- dustry, that's looking to a new future in B.C. Please join me in welcoming Clay Anderson, who's the founder and secretary of C.H. Anderson and Partners; Gary Griffith; Len Sandstrom; and someone who's no stranger to this House, Brian Menzies. N.

Macdonald: It's my pleasure to introduce the company that Candace is keeping, which is John Ber- genske, a constituent of mine. Please make him feel welcome. Mr. Speaker: Hon. members, I would like to wel- come today 31 Washington State legislative interns seated in the Speaker's gallery. They are part of an an- nual internship exchange between Washington State and British Columbia. The exchange is an opportunity to share, learn, observe and compare our two systems of governance. Some of you had meetings with them and dis- cussed the differences betwee n representative and par- liamentary democracy.

The exchange is a valued part of our own B.C. legislative internship program. They are accompanied by their House intern coordinator, Joan Elgee. Would the House please make them wel- come. I also have a special guest that I would like to in- troduce today. It's my pleasure to advise you that we have the visiting Clerk from another jurisdiction on attachment with our House this week, Dr. Floyd McCormick, Deputy Clerk of the Yukon Legislative Assembly. The visit is one of a continuing series of at- tachments whereby our Legislative Assembly hosts Clerks from other jurisdictions.

Please join me in wel- coming Floyd McCormick to British Columbia and our House. Introduction and First Reading of Bills APOLOGY ACT L. Mayencourt presented a bill intituled Apology Act. L. Mayencourt: I move that the bill be introduced and now read a first time. Motion approved. L. Mayencourt: It gives me great pleasure today to introduce the Apology Act. Under current law, an apology can be construed as an admission of liability. This legislation would counter that presumption. The Apology Act is intended to specify that an apology is not an admission of liability and is not ad- missible in legal proceedings.

Ultimately, this will re- move the current disincenti ve to apologize for one's behaviour, which often hind ers the resolution of dis- putes. In special report 27, The Power of an Apology: Re- moving the Legal Barriers , released February 8, Om- budsman Howard Kushner recommended that this government introduce legislation to enable public agencies to say they are so rry without the fear of hav- ing it used against them in court. This government understands that our society places great value on apolog ies as a way of redressing wrongs. An apology is seen as the appropriate moral response.

Despite this fact, public agencies rarely apologize for fear of liability or denial of insurance coverage. In fact, lawyers often advise their clients not to apologize. By allowing public agencies to apologize,

2496 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 the Apology Act will help to facilitate the prompt, cost- effective resolution of disputes. This act will also allow individuals to apologize to one another, promoting forgiveness and the re- establishment of relationships. A simple, sincere apol- ogy is often the key to avoiding a long and bitter and costly dispute. Apologies help to build public confi- dence in the administration of justice, and they build stronger communities by allowing people to be civil, to address wrongs and to move on with their lives.

The Apology Act encourages the moral and humane behav- iour of apologizing for wrongdoings and promotes open and direct dialogue between persons in conflict. Similar legislation has been passed in California, New South Wales and other states in Australia. In these regions sincere apologies have facilitated early and cost-effective resolutions and, most importantly, promoted forgiveness and healing. Once again, British Columbia has the opportunity to lead the way in law reform in Canada, and I encourage this government and members on both sides of the House to support the Apology Act.

I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today. Bill M202, Apology Act, introduced, read a first time and ordered to be placed on orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today. [1410] Statements (Standing Order 25

B) CANADIAN OLYMPIC ATHLETES J. McIntyre: Mr. Speaker, beyond a shadow of a doubt, success for both Canada and British Colum- bia abounded at the Turin Winter Games. From our record-breaking 24 medals, up from the 17 we won at Salt Lake City, to the overwhelming popularity of the B.C.–Canada Place log cabin, Canada and our athletes were front and centre in Turin. Much of this success is due to our female athletes. Their 16 medals tied for fi rst with Germany, and our flag-bearer Cindy Klassen became the first woman to win five medals at one games.

Added to her medal from Salt Lake City, she's now become Canada's most successful Olympian. From day one to the closing ceremonies, our women exceeded all expectations. Women have come a long way in the games. The first Winter Olympics in Chamonix in 1924 saw only 11 women compete in one event — figure skating. None of these were Canadian. Today women compete in 13 disciplines, and Canada was represented by 86 women athletes. There are many reasons for this success.

The Own the Podium program, private sector sponsorship, gov- ernment support and the lega cies from the '88 Calgary Olympics — all assist in the tr aining and development of our athletes. But with th e focus on the medal count, let's not forget about the real Olympic spirit — partici- pating for your country. I would like to add my con- gratulations to all the athletes, coaches and Canadian Olympic officials for repres enting our country with honour and pride. With the Paralympic Games set to begin on March 10, I'm sure the success will be duplicated, and I wish these athletes all the best.

The countdown has started, a n d i n l e s s t h a n f o u r y e a rs the eyes of the world will focus on Vancouver and Whistler, so I can hardly wait. WESTSHORE CENTRE FOR LEARNING AND TRAINING M. Karagianis: This year marks the 20th year that the WestShore learning centre has been delivering quality academic programs and business training in the Greater Victoria area. The continuing education pro- gram in Sooke school district was reinstated in 1986.

In 1997 the program established its own home base on the campus of Royal Roads University, and at that time the name changed to community education to reflect the youth and adult entrepreneurship programs being of- fered. In the spring of 2003 a strategic planning process resulted in the current name, the WestShore Centre for Learning and Training, reflec ting the desire to be the hub of learning in the West Shore. For academic upgrading, on-line courses, career training, teaching overseas or taking a personal interest course, WestShore has a program and has options and choices.

The campus works in partnership with other groups, such as Royal Roads University, as well. WestShore learning centre has the advantage of being able to respond to changi ng needs within the commu- nity, with amazing results. The M'Akola Housing Society recently completed a 60-unit assisted-living project in Langford. Part of the project includes in-house dining that provides lunch and dinner for the tenants and has a large and fully functioning commercial kitc hen. The kitchen was de- signed with additional capa city to provide training opportunities.

M'Akola approached WestShore learn- ing centre 18 months ago and proposed a collaboration. Their large kitchen would provide an excellent training opportunity for chefs apprenticeship programs for first nations students. WestShore responded immediately, designing a learning program that was customized for the purpose, helping M'Akola to realize its goals while offering new and very relevant career opti ons that would result in a career for first nations students.

Today those students are furthering their education and gaining real on-the- ground experience and appr enticeship training with this very successful program. [1415] Recently the kitchen hosted an open house and showed off all their culinary talents. I attended that event and spoke with the chef, who proudly showed off the kitchen staff and bra gged enthusiastically about

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2497 the wonderful students that he was getting from the WestShore learning centre. DOWN SYNDROME RESEARCH FOUNDATION R. Lee: More and more international organizations are coming to British Columbia to hold their confer- ences and conventions. In six months the 9th World Down Syndrome Congress will be held in Vancouver. I am proud to see that the Down Syndrome Research Foundation of Burnaby North is the host of this con- vention. Down Syndrome is a genetic disorder resulting from abnormal cell division before or after conception.

About 95 percent of all people with Down syndrome are of type trisomy 21, which means that all the cells in their body have an extra chromosome — 47 instead of 46 — but this type is not geneti cally inherited. It is not completely understood why the chromosome becomes irregular, and currently there is no known treatment. The Down Syndrome Research Foundation was formed in 1995 to empower people with Down syn- drome, to disseminate information and to support research projects related to Down syndrome. Last year the foundation completed the installation of a magnetoencephalography or MEG laboratory in Bur- naby.

MEG is a non-invasive technique based on the measurement of external magnetic fields produced by neural currents in the cerebral cortex. The whole MEG instrumentation system was manufactured by a local B.C. company, VSM Medtech. Research collaborations have been established with Simon Fraser University, the University of British Co- lumbia, University of Vict oria and the Children's and Women's Health Centre of B.C.

T h e D o w n S y n d r o m e R e s e a r c h F o u n d a t i o n i s a shining example of British Columbians coming to- gether to support the families, to develop people's po- tential and to push the frontier of technology and sci- ence. Please join me to wish them every success in bringing experts from all over the world to British Co- lumbia to further our knowledge of Down syndrome. Mr. Speaker: A reminder, members. They are two- minute statements. THE VALLEY OF THE FRASER H.

Bains: I had an opportunity to enjoy a wonder- ful book called The Valley of the Fraser written by two long-term residents of Surrey, Lorne Pearson and his late father, John. This is a true historical novel about Surrey heritage that the Pearsons researched for several years. The book describes the life of one of the first pioneer settlers, named Eric Anderson, who helped establish the city of Surrey. The story takes us back to the spring of 1872, when Eric Anderson jumped ship to start a new life in a new land.

Eric had sailed the high seas for nearly eight years and had never laid eyes on such beauty, the stand of giant trees that co vered the shores of Burrard Inlet. Once on land he walked for a whole day and night before he came to New Westminster. Walking down the river, he bartered with a native gentleman to take him across the river in his canoe. He walked another day and night and came on another European settlement called Murray's Corners. On the banks of the Nicomekl he picked out a piece of land, cleared it and built a cabin to call his home.

The hand- hewn log cabin built in 1872 still stands today on the site of the Surrey museum and is the oldest standing man-made structure in the city of Surrey. On November 10, 1879, the municipality of Surrey was incorporated. In September 1882 Surrey's first school was established with a one-room shack donated by a bachelor named Robinson, and Martha Jane Nor- ris as the first teacher. Sch ool district 36 followed and was incorporated in 1906. The first church in the area was completed in August 1884 at Surrey Centre. In 1909 the B.C.

Electric Railway bought some of his land, and Anderson Station was built, named after the Anderson family. I would like to thank Mr. Lorne Pearson and his late father for the heartfel t thought and research that went into this novel, for many of us to learn of the hard work and dedication that our forefathers endured to make our city of Surrey what it is today. [1420] Mr. Speaker: The member for Burnaby-Willingdon. [Applause.] FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND MULTICULTURAL UNDERSTANDING J. Nuraney: Thank you, one and all. I don't know what to say, but I do certainly appreciate that. Mr.

Speaker, as we know, the cartoons and carica- tures published in Europe have caused unrest and in- voked unprecedented pain among the Muslim popula- tion around the world. It has also initiated discussion over expression and individu al liberties. While it is important in a democratic society to protect the right of individuals to the freedom to express their opinions, it is equally important to understand that the very fun- damental requisite of a civil society is to respect the ethics and beliefs of others. Freedom of speech should not be interpreted as a licence to offend.

We should encourage a better under- standing among communities and demonstrate ethical sensibilities which can be shared across denomina- tional lines and which can foster a universal moral out- look. The search for justice and security should not be opposite to the quest for tolerance and harmony. Both are parts of the pursuit of human dignity. These are the imperatives which we must work towards and think about on a daily basis. Canada is a unique country that nurtures multicul- turalism, and its success can be solely attributed to the degree of mutual respect among its citizens. It is this

2498 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 value that has made Canada an envy of the world, and we must continue to uphold it. BLACK HISTORY MONTH S. Simpson: I'm pleased to have the opportunity today to rise in the House an d talk a little bit about the tenth anniversary of Black History Month in British Columbia. Our black community has a rich history commencing back in 1800, when over the following 65 years the Underground Railw ay operated, bringing over 20,000 slaves from the United States to their free- dom in Canada.

This was motivated by the passing of the Abolition Act in 1793, banning slavery in our coun- try. The black community first came formally to British Columbia in 1858, when 600 black Americans were invited to Victoria by then Gov. James Douglas. This community has continued to develop and to contribute as an integral part of British Columbia. In 1964 Harry Jerome won a bronze medal at the Tokyo Olympics. In 1972 Rosemary Brown became the first black woman to be elected to a Legislature in Canada when she took her seat in this place. Of course, Mr.

Speaker, in 1994 your predecessor Emery Barn es became the first black Speaker of the B.C. Legislature. One year later, in 1995, Selwyn Romilly became the first black justice ap- pointed to the B.C. Supreme Court. Of course, in the past year Madam Michaëlle Jean, a black woman, was appointed Governor General of Canada. However, as proud as we can be of the contribution of black Canadians, we also need to remain vigilant in our continuing efforts against oppression.

As Madam Jean said in a recent speech in Montreal, the struggle against oppression is not just one of race but one for all men and women who demand respect and dignity. As we celebrate the tent h anniversary of Black His- tory Month, we should all be well advised to remember Madam Jean's words as we respond to the many thou- sands of British Columbians of all races who are strug- gling today to achieve the respect, the dignity and the opportunity that we all aspire to. Oral Questions REVIEW OF SENIORS CARE IN HEALTH FACILITIES C.

James: Just last week we learned from the Health Minister that he'd decided not to join the Premier and his brother-in-law on their European tour. He said he wanted to stay in British Columbia to deal with the tragic case of the Albo family. [1425] It was the right decision — to leave the Premier and his brother-in-law to travel on their own while the Health Minister stays home. But the Albo case is not simply one case. We know there are other tragic cases out there. My question to the Health Minister is: will he ex- pand his inquiry to look at other health regions? Hon. G.

Abbott: Last Wednesday in question pe- riod the member for West Kootenay–Boundary, fol- lowed by the Opposition House Leader, indicated with a question very much like that — would I look at other cases, should they come to me? — and I indicated at that time that I would invite the members to submit any case files they had that they may have concerns about, and I would look at them and see if there was further that should be done in respect of those reviews beyond what would normally be done by a health au- thority.

At one o'clock this afternoon I received from the member for West Kootenay–Boundary a list of four that she contends are reflective of some failing in the system or failing by caregivers. I am not going to jump to any premature conclu- sions about that. I need more than 60 minutes to look at case files before I form conclusions about them. But I will be looking at them and, if appropriate, will do further reviews on them. Mr. Speaker: The Leader of the Opposition has a supplemental. C. James: I appreciate that the minister has just received the specific cases, but we mentioned these cases last week.

In the travelling around that I've done in the province, just in th e last couple of weeks on health care, it's very clear that there's case after case after case out there. This is an issue about accountability — accountabil- ity to the seniors and the fam ilies of this province. It's very clear that just in a few days the opposition, receiv- ing phone calls, has received at least five cases to date. I would think that would raise enough red flags on be- half of seniors and families in this province that the minister would automatically expand the inquiry.

So I ask again: will the minister expand the inquiry to all five of the health regions to ensure that seniors are treated well? Hon. G. Abbott: The opposition leader seems to me to be demanding a specific response to generalized concerns. As I said in the House last week and as I'll repeat again here today, I am pleased at all times to receive submissions, case files, other concerns from all members of this House. To date — and we talked about this today — I've received over 200 different concerns, case files and so on from members of the opposition about different issues.

I've probably re- ceived a comparable number from members of the government side. In every case we look very seriously a t w h a t i s s u b m i t t e d t o u s . W h e r e w e c a n , w e u n d e r - take actions to remediate situations. A g a i n , w e h a v e a n e x c e p t i o n a l l y g o o d h e a l t h c a r e system in this province. Is it perfect? No. On those oc- casions when i t is not perfe ct , I want t o hea r abou t it, both from the opposition side and from the govern- ment side.

But in fairness to families, in fairness to caregivers, in fairness to medi cal practitioners, in fair- ness even to health authorities, we need to review these matters very carefully before forming conclusions.

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2499 Mr. Speaker: The Leader of the Opposition has a further supplemental. C. James: I wish I could say that this wasn't a com- mon refrain from the other side. We heard, under Children and Families, when we raised concerns…. For seven months from this government we heard over and over and over again that everything was fine. We heard that we had an exceptional system for looking after children and families at risk. It took seven months before the government finally acknowledged that they had failed children at risk and brought in a review.

Well, when I hear the minister say that we have an exceptional health care system, I worry we're going down the same path. I would like to ask the Health Minister: can we for- get about the seven months of denial? Can we forget about seven months of saying the health care system is exceptional? Can we serve our seniors today and ex- pand that review to include all health regions? [1430] Hon. G. Abbott: The opposition leader uses the term "accountability." I'd suggest that the members of the opposition have some accountability as well. Five days ago they committed to bringing four case files to my office.

They did that 60 minutes ago and now stand up and, with a great deal of bluster, tell me that we should have formed conclusions about these four cases. I think the members, if they want to have a lesson in accountability, have got to think about what they do as well. This is a very large health care system that we have in this province, and 99.99 percent of the time people get exceptional service from that health care system. There are 120,000 people who work directly and indi- rectly in that health care system.

They work hard each and every day to provide caring, supportive attention to the patients that they se rve. Do they make mistakes sometimes? Yes, on occasion they do. We try to correct them, learn from them and build a better health care system for this province. K. Conroy: This is not about people making mis- takes or making decisions out in the regions. This is about the minister's and this ministry's policies — poli- cies like the first available bed that is taking its toll on seniors and their ability to receive the care they need and deserve in our home communities.

It was a first- available-bed policy that was going to have Freda Plested moved from her home in Trail to Grand Forks. The family was so upset that they instead opted to pay $145 a day to have her cared for in a private facility near their home. My question is to the minister. Why are families forced to seek out private care if they want their loved ones to be around family and friends in their very frag- ile end-of-life state? Hon. G. Abbott: I thank the member for her ques- tion and for providing me with the information about an hour ago that she had promised.

I do appreciate that, and I will be looking into the member's concerns. In terms of wait times, again, we need to keep this in perspective. When we took office five years ago, people were waiting approximately one year for ac- cessing residential care in this province. Today the range of wait time is between 18 days in the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority to 88 days in the Interior Health Authority. I think 88 days is way too long. We need to continuously try to bring that number down.

Again, if you look at th e policy around first avail- able bed, it is an attempt to ensure that the people who need that care get access to that care. The member can argue, I guess, that it's wrong, but in fact that's what it is doing. It's ensuring that if people need residential care, that's what they are able to access, and we try to get them near their homes as quickly as possible. Mr. Speaker: The member for West Kootenay– Boundary has a supplemental. K. Conroy: Well, 88 days is too long, and the clo- sure of beds in our region is responsible for these deci- sions.

The Plesteds also foun d that the cost of private care was unmanageable, so they were forced to take the first available bed in Ne lson, two hours away from their home. Freda Plested was transferred to Nelson on January 30 of this year. Ten days later she passed away. The Ministry of Health is currently undertaking an investigation into the tragic loss the Albo family has suffered. Will he commit today to expanding that in- vestigation into the other cases where, because of this government's policies, seniors are being separated from their families? [1435] Hon. G.

Abbott: The case the member cites is one of the four that she has list ed in the letter which she generously provided to my of fice one hour ago. Again, as I said in response to the question from the Leader of the Opposition, I'll be very pl eased to look at this spe- cific case. I'll be very pleased to review it with the Inte- rior Health Authority and with ministry staff. We will see whether there were issues that we should look at beyond those that have been identified by IHA or oth- ers or by the member. Again, I am not going to be forming any conclu- sions prematurely about this.

I t c a n b e u n f a i r t o t h e family, unfair to the care providers and unfair to the medical practitioners who often have to make difficult decisions around these matters as well. We will review the member's submission very carefully and form ap- propriate conclusions in a timely way. D. Cubberley: The minister insists it's not the pol- icy of this government to separate seniors, and he claims there is no first-available-bed policy. Yet at 93 Mr.

Ferdinand Schneider was moved on December 1 from Kootenay-Boundary Hospital, on the first- available-bed policy, nearly two hours away to Moun- tain Lake Seniors Community in Nelson. Tragically,

2500 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 Mr. Schneider died just a few weeks ago, only three months after leaving his family, his friends and his home. Now, will the minister admit that the ministry's first-available-bed policy is what is forcing seniors to leave their loved ones for needed care? Hon. G. Abbott: Again, as I said the other day in the House, it is not the policy of this government to separate seniors. It has never been the policy of any government in British Columbia to separate seniors. The suggestion that it has been the policy of any gov- ernment is colossally unfair.

As I patiently explained to the member the other day, what we attempt to do is provide exceptional care for all frail elderly who re- quire that care. I cited the case of my parents the other day in the House. My father had a series of strokes at 80 years of age. He was incapacitated by those strokes and re- quired, at first, acute care and subsequently residential care. My mother was and remains in perfect health. It was medical necessity that separated them.

That is of- ten the case here, and it's entirely unfair of this member and the opposition to suggest that any government has a policy of separating seniors in this province. Mr. Speaker: The member for Saanich South has a supplemental. D. Cubberley: W h a t w e s a i d i s t h a t t h i s g o v e r n - ment has a policy of first available bed, and that has the effect in certain circumstances of separating seniors. The minister sees family se paration as the exception, when in fact there's a patte rn. Last week he blamed individual judgment rather than the policy of first available bed.

In fact, he blames everything but the reality of insufficient hospital and residential care beds in British Columbia, which predisposes health authori- ties to make bad choices for seniors. W h a t I w a n t t o k n o w i s : w h e n i s h e g o i n g t o s t o p the denial? When is he going to expand the scope of this inquiry to include the government-induced short- age of hospital beds, the premature closure of residen- tial care beds and the poli cy of first available bed? When are you going to face up to it, and when are you going to fix it? Hon. G.

Abbott: Again, I think the members oppo- site really need to give their heads a bit of a shake on this point. To think that th ey should provide me with a brief

summary of case files at one o'clock on Monday afternoon and then have me form conclusions about whether a full-scale inquiry is appropriate in response to that is completely inappr opriate and unfair on their part. The members should think about this. We need to get to a place where we're satisfied that the right thing is being done by the right people at the right time. We are very concerned, for example, about the case of Mrs. Albo. It appears, in fact, that in that case, there was an inappropriate decision made to make a medical trans- fer.

I am going to await the report of my deputy in re- spect of exactly what the chain of decision-making was and whether the right things were done. [1440] Further, there may be important things we can learn about that case, but let's understand the facts. Let's understand what happened and then form our conclusions, not at the start of it. C. Wyse: Now we know that the tragic story of the Albo family is, most unfortunately, not one of a kind. Elmer Hall also died away fr om his family and friends. Mr. Hall was moved from the regional hospital in Trail to a care home in Grand Forks in September 2005.

He died less than a month later — alone. Now, my question is on behalf of the family, who is requesting answers to questions. Mr. Hall's family also wants answers from this government. My question to the minister is: will the minister commit to providing those answers to Mr. Hall's family? Hon. G. Abbott: I thank the member for raising his question. Mr. Hall, as I recall from the brief opportu- nity I had to look at the submission from the member for West Kootenay–Boundary, was one of the four cases that were cited in the letter.

Though I want, first, to say my condolences to the Hall family, I think it is far too premature for us to form conclusions about whether Mr. Hall's care needs w e r e o r w e r e n o t s u i t a b l y a d d r e s s e d . A g a i n , I t h i n k I owe it to Mr. Hall, to Mrs. Albo and to a whole range of people to form studied conclusions about these mat- ters, not to form them on the basis of a few minutes and a few brief notes from a critic that something was done inappropriately.

I think that when we form those kind of conclusions, we invariably either do an unfair- ness to the family or do an unfairness to the people who work very hard every day to provide the best of care to the tens of thousands of people who need resi- dential care in this province. Mr. Speaker: The member for Cariboo South has a supplemental. C. Wyse: The issue here that is in front of us isn't one resting with the caregive rs. The question is around the environment within whic h the care is being pro- vided and around the directions that come through the health authority and the government. Mr.

Hall was transferred hours away from his community and fam- ily because the first available bed was in Grand Forks. There was no consultation with his family about the move. My question to the minister: will he expand the investigation into the Albo tragedy to include the case of Mr. Hall and the reality that seniors, under this gov- ernment's direction, are regularly forced to leave be- hind friends and family in order to receive the neces- sary care? Hon. G. Abbott: The member says in his question that Mr. Hall's family was not consulted with respect to

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2501 the move. Now, I don't know whether that is fact or whether that is an apprehension — and perhaps a mis- taken apprehension — on the part of someone. That is why we need to look into the case of Mr. Hall. We need to understand whether the protocols around transfer were observed. Mr. Hall would not be moved were his medical practitioner not satisfied that he was medically appropriate for that move.

Further, in every instance, by protocol, it is the responsibility of the health author- ity to consult with the family to ensure that they see it as appropriate as well. A g a i n , I a m p l e a s e d , o n b e h a l f o f t h i s m e m b e r — and further to the letter I received an hour ago from the member for West Kootenay–Boundary — to look at Mr. Hall's case with the greatest of seriousness. There may well be things that we can learn from Mr. Hall's case. I'm glad to look into those, but I'm not going to form any premature conclusions about what occurred there. [1445] ACROPOLIS MANOR G.

Coons: This government's promise to complete the new 80-bed Acropolis Manor in Prince Rupert by 2005 has not been kept. The current facility was cut from 51 beds to 30, and now Northern Health is reno- vating rooms into office space. Does the Minister of Health think that the new office space for administra- tion is more important than keeping the promise of 5,000 long-term care beds? Hon. G. Abbott: There is no promise more impor- tant than achieving our commitment to 5,000 addi- tional intermediate and long-term care beds for this province.

I'll have to consult the Northern Health Authority with respect to that particular facility in Prince Rupert. I don't know offhand the deta ils about that. What I can tell the member, though, is that since we took office in 2001 some 4,900 units in this province have either been remediated or built new to add that much capacity for both assisted living and re sidential care. I think we're very proud of that. What we inherited from this government back in 2001, as even the Canadian Centre for Policy Alterna- tives has noted, was a stock that was in great need of remediation. We have moved aggressively on that.

I'm very proud of what we've been able to achieve to date, and I'll be even prouder of another 2,800 units that we will be completing by the end of 2006. Mr. Speaker: The member for North Coast has a supplemental. G. Coons: The people of Prince Rupert are getting tired of the minister's glib outlook towards this file. On Friday the headline in the local Prince Rupert Daily News read "Broken Promises Frustrate Seniors." The wait-list gets longer. Seniors are forced to look after seniors. Interjection. Mr. Speaker: Member. G.

Coons: Local health advocates and local seniors are tired, frustrated, and have no idea what to do. Per- haps to alleviate the concern of getting more files across his desk, will the minister commit to opening up the necessary rooms in Acropolis Manor to meet the needs of our seniors? Hon. G. Abbott: I don't know whether this member has brought this issue to my office. I don't believe he has, but my apologies if he has. Again, I'm glad to look at these things.

I'm glad to work with the Northern Health Authority to ensure that we get the outcomes that the member obviously is looking for, and that is a remarkable thing. But again, one should not form con- clusions on very sketchy evidence and very hasty calls for judgment. I do think that is inappropriate. The Northern Health Au thority works very hard and, I think, has done an exceptional job in bringing what was previously a very diverse kind of balkanized approach to health care and improving it. It's hard to remember now, but when we took office, there were 52 health authorities in this pr ovince.

Today there are five regional authorities, and they are all working hard to provide the very best care that they can. REVIEW OF SENIORS CARE IN HEALTH FACILITIES J. Kwan: Members of this House have brought case after case to the minister's attention around tragic situations in our health care system respecting seniors. I would like the minister to tell the seniors in this prov- ince: how many tragic cases does he need to have be- fore he will expand the investigations? Hon. G. Abbott: I'm not sure whether time is being our friend or our enemy here , but I've answered this question quite a number of times now.

But I will, as I always do, patiently answer it one more time, which is that I am not going to form conclusions based on a small volume of material that was brought to my atten- tion one hour ago. I think the people of British Colum- bia deserve far better than hasty, ill-informed, prema- ture conclusions about impo rtant matters like these, when I — never mind the health authorities and the ministry — haven't even had the opportunity to have my office review these matters. Again, I am accepting the responsibility of review- ing these with the greatest seriousness.

If there are things we can learn from any of the four cases that were brought to my attention one hour ago, we will pursue them, but I am not going to form premature judgments in respect of them. PRIVATE LODGES AND RESORTS IN PROVINCIAL PARKS S. Simpson: We've recently learned that the Minis- try of Environment has a strategy for our parks that

2502 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 will allow a dramatic increase in private lodges and resorts in provincial parks. Will the minister confirm that the province is considering such a new strategy for lodges and resorts in our provincial parks that will allow private resorts of upwards of 100 beds in public parks? [1450] Hon. B. Penner: It's true that the Ministry of Envi- ronment is working on a policy. It's being done very carefully. It has been taking a considerable period of time.

Already in British Columbia, amongst our more than 600 provincial parks, there are about 160 roofed accommodations that are available. They range from lodges to cabins to full-blown resorts, whether it's Cy- press Bowl or Manning Park Resort. So it affords a range of opportunities for British Columbians to get out and enjoy some of the beautiful parks we have. There are more than 11.5 million hectares of British Columbia represented in our park system, and I think British Columbians should have the opportunity to get out and enjoy it. Mr. Speaker: The member for Vancouver-Hastings has a supplemental. S.

Simpson: What we're talking about here is 12 to 18 of our parks, as we unders tand it, essentially having resorts built in them. We're talking about resorts, as we understand it, in Duffy Lake, Golden Ears, Wells Gray, Elks Lake, Mount Robson and many more. From what I understand from the material, we're talking about fa- cilities that could include tennis courts and waterslides. All of that's available and possible there. Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. S.

Simpson: Further to that, an appointed govern- ment stewardship panel re commended against this approach and said these facilities should be built in adjacent communities. That was wise, unlike this pro- posal. The people of B.C. are concerned about their parks. Mostly they're concerned about the secrecy of this plan. Nobody is talking to people in communities. It's being done at the cabinet table and behind closed doors.

Will the minister withdraw this plan today and initiate a full public discussion with all British Colum- bians about the future of our public parks, particularly before he starts providing for private commercialized resorts in our parks? That's not the right way to go. Keep these parks public. Hon. B. Penner: I'm a little concerned about the environment critic. We know that last week he didn't do his research properly and relied on a newspaper

article for his information. Today it appears to me that he's got a convenient case of political amnesia or per- h a p s i s s u f f e r i n g f r o m a s e r i o u s b o u t o f p o l i t i c a l a n d policy hypocrisy, because under the previous NDP government they approved a new lodge, a new cabin, in a provincial park near Kokanee Glacier provincial park.

The critic may want to consult with the member for Nelson-Creston and ask him, "Would you prefer that we close that facility and that British Columbians not have access to that facility?" or talk to the member for Yale-Lillooet and see if the Manning Park Lodge is an inappropriate use of a provincial park. We're developing our policy in a very careful way. We're consulting with 15 different recreation tours and with conservation and business groups. The strategy is still in progress, and we are listening to British Colum- bians. The policy will be unveiled at the appropriate time.

PERMIT FOR HERBICIDE SPRAYING ALONG E&N RAIL CORRIDOR S. Fraser: Last year the Minister of Environment approved a plan that introduced the spraying of herbi- cides like Garlon 4 along the railway — the E&N corri- dor from Victoria to Courtenay and Port Alberni. I've received a copy of a letter from the Hul'qumi'num treaty group, and apparently there was no consultation on this issue that involves their traditional territory. Will the minister commit now to use his authority — no, his duty in this case — under

section 8 of the act to revoke this permit? [1455] Hon. B. Penner: It's important to note that any of the pesticides planned to be used had to have been approved by Health Canada. In addition to that, the legislation we have in British Columbia introduces additional safeguards, and it introduced the public policy or public process. I understand that E&N dropped the use of 2,4-D that they had proposed, in response to public concer ns. They've proposed, in- stead, a number of alternative measures including the use of non-chemical approaches — some biological approaches, natural processes.

Just exactly what happened in terms of that appli- cation is, I think, under re view, but I'm certainly inter- ested to hear more about the member's views about how we maintain the integrity of railbeds. If the integ- rity of railbeds is not maintained, then it is possible that public safety could be compromised. [End of question period.] Petitions J. Horgan: I'd like to table a petition on behalf of residents of my community o f M a l a h a t – J u a n d e F u c a residing in Shirley and Otter Point, an unincorporated area to the west of the district of Sooke.

Those residents are calling upon this House to recognize their democ- ratic rights and provide an opportunity for a govern- ance study so that they can have a municipal structure that meets their needs.

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2503 Tabling Documents Hon. I. Chong: I have the honour to present the Public Service Benefit Plan Act annual report. Orders of the Day Hon. M. de Jong: I call continued debate on the budget. Budget Debate (continued) C. Puchmayr: As I left off on Thursday at the be- witching hour, I still had half of my debate to engage in. As I started my debate on Thursday, I acknowledged and sent best wishes to the member for Burnaby- Willingdon, who was convalescing at the time. It's great to be finishing my debate with the member for Burnaby-Willingdon back in the House.

I welcome him back, and I'm pleased that he has had a good recovery. I left off on the health care issue, and I will go back to that just slightly. One of the issues we hear often is about the '90s, and I just want to share some statistics with you with respect to health care in the '90s. [S. Hawkins in the chair.] Increased funding every year since 1991 — B.C. was the only province that did not cut health care funding in the '90s. The heal th care budget increased by almost a billion in '01 to fund new hospital equip- ment and training and recruitment of additional nurses and doctors.

There were four new cancer clinics since 1991; best screening and mammography program in Canada; best cancer recovery rate in Canada; most comprehensive health care coverage of any province — this was in the '90s — including chiropractors, physical therapists, naturopaths, ma ssage therapists, eye exams and podiatry. Speaking to health care providers…. They talk about the deterioration of people, especially seniors, when they start to lose thos e services they used to re- ceive under the plan.

To not be able to go and have physiotherapy or chiropract ic treatment has a very adverse effect on people in our society. Often the small amounts of money that are saved by not providing the service actually end up in greater costs to the system in the effects of not providing this ongoing treatment or preventive treatment. [1500] We often hear from the other side that we were once a have-not province. We often hear that we are now a have province. Well, if we're allegedly a have province, why do we have more have-not people?

Why, under this government, do we now have the dis- tinction of the biggest gap between rich and poor in Canada? Why, under this government, are we now number one in child poverty? We were the second-best to Prince Edward Island in the '90s, and now we are the worst in Canada. Why do we have so many homeless in this golden economy, and why do we have so many homeless with jobs? I know people that are couch surfing, that don't have a steady place to live, and they're working full- time — 40 hours a week. That should be unacceptable in this modern era, in this golden economy.

Why has the use of food banks increased so drasti- cally? I was involved in the food banks in the early '80s, when we had quite a severe economic downturn, and I was volunteering as an advocate to assist people with issues in workers compensation, employment insur- ance and social assistance. I thought it was bad then in the early '80s. It has just multiplied, and the families that are lining up now…. Well, fortunately, the food bank in my community has decided not to have people lining up, up the sidewalk for a block on Wednesday mornings.

They now have created a program where they can actually get inside out of the rain. Some are lining up with small children. Some are couples. Some are new immigrants that are having great difficulty in finding employment. Some are new immigrants that are coming from across Canada, that are prevented from getting assistance and are suffering greatly. We had one case come into my office where a new Canadian and his wife, who is a new immigrant and was pregnant and also had a small child, did not qual- ify for any assistance. They had sold all of their furni- ture. All they had left was a box spring and mattress.

They sold their table, thei r chairs, their radio, their small television. It was actually the landlord that brought them in and said: "Can you help?" We sent them down for assistance, and they were written a cheque for $2.50 to buy milk for the baby. That is the systematic, mechanical proce ss that's put in place, and a lot of it has no leverage to even accommodate com- passion. Two years on assistance and they fall off the line, they fall off the list, and th ey become homeless. There doesn't seem to be anything there for them, and that is very troubling in my community and in many, many communities.

We're finding more people with mental illnesses that are becoming homeless. The frustration with going into an office and trying to go through the kiosk of applying for assistance…. I've heard of people running out of there, having panic attacks with the anxiety of trying to walk through th e system, not understanding the system and not having an advocate to walk them through it. Some of those become homeless. They don't go back. They become homeless. Seventy percent of the people with mental illness in my community that are homeless are drug addicts. They are preyed upon by dr ug dealers.

They are vic- timized immediately by drug dealers. It's so easy. Give them a cigarette with crystal meth in it — one puff; they're addicted. It's that easy, and they become vic- tims of the drug trade. They are now stealing so that the drug dealer can sell crystal meth to that person, or

2504 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 they're carrying drugs for the drug dealers so the drug dealer won't get arrested. That's a real sadness that we're seeing today. So I wonder. We talk about this golden economy and this great economy. Well, you know , not all that glitters is gold, and this golden economy does not glitter for all. Many people are worse off now under this golden economy than they were in the '90s. That is very sad. [1505] We have record resource prices in this province — gold, copper, oil, gas. We should never judge a society by the commodities or by the economy.

We should judge a society on the balance and compassion of its people. And where does that start? It starts here. It starts in this chamber, and it filters down through pol- icy that is fair, that is balanced and that helps people. People that come into my office to get help with the Ministry of Children and Families or with income as- sistance are not these 19-year-old burly guys that could work any given day. They're people that have real is- sues. They're people that need an extra bit of care to assist them into moving into employment, and we don't provide that care. We don't provide that training.

We don't provide that resource for them, and that's very sad to me. I'm pleased to see that in the budget there is a crys- tal meth secretariat. That's a positive direction. We've been talking about a direction to head into towards addressing that serious, serious problem. I think it's very positive that we're heading in that direction, and I look forward to seeing the results of that.

But without adequate detox beds and rehabilitation beds, when somebody on drugs comes out of that gutter and says, "Help me," and they are holding their hand out, that's when you have to grab them and when you have to get them help. If you don't, they are liable to fall back down again. The chances are that they may never come back up for help. So we need to be able to have proper outreach workers that can go out into the community and identify the people at ri sk, especially the ones that are suffering from mental illness. Reach out and get those people off the streets and get them help.

You know, we talk about the costs of rehabilitation. For every dollar spent, $7 is saved to society. I can't stress that enough. Just to keep someone from getting HIV or full-blown AIDS, the cost of that could be over $100,000 a year in treatment. You could send them to the Betty Ford clinic probably numerous times for that $100,000, but we just don't inve st enough in this prov- ince in order to deal with these issues. We see some trickling — a little bit of money — for apprenticeship training. We had an excellent appren- ticeship program.

I believe we had the best one in Can- ada during the '90s, and that has gone to a system that has failed. Now we can quote Alberta. Alberta has a better apprenticeship program than us because Alberta saw the need to get people trained, to get people into those industries that were calling for them. This isn't something that just happened overnight — this trend for needing a skilled workforce. I recall addressing a youth advisory committee meeting back in 1998 with some statistics that were just released by the federal government. I wasn't there as a youth; I was there as a city councillor.

The statistics there were showing, within the next five, ten and 15 years, a huge need for skille d workers. At that time it was very difficult for young people to get employment, and right around the corner things were going to turn around, and they've turned around now. We're seeing it now. We saw it in the '90s. We saw the trend. The federal government has put out some statistics on trends that show there is an incredible need. In this province the direction that we started to go to….

Rather than ensuring that there were adequate spaces for training, that we had a knowledge economy, t h a t w e h a d y o u n g p e o p l e w i t h s k i l l s , w e w e n t c o m - pletely different. We started heading towards de- skilling people, saying it's okay to not be a full-fledged plumber. All you need to do is solder pipe, and all you need to do is know how to put in toilets. Well, they tried that in New Zealand, and it's been a dismal fail- ure. The example from that has not created decent- paying jobs. It creates things such as people that are working full-time and don't have shelter.

It creates a lack of bringing revenue into the economy through the work that they generate and putting it back out into the community through being able to have a disposable a s s e t . S o t h e r e ' s a h u g e i m p a c t t o t h a t t y p e o f d e - skilling of the workforce. [1510] The other thing that it does: these workers go somewhere else. Why would they go here when they can go to Alberta and get Red Seals in their training, full education and a decent wage?

We have people who are saying: "Well, you know, the way to resolve this issue with skilled workforce is that you simply get more people with trades to come into British Columbia." Why would people with trades come into British Columbia to work a segmented part, a residual part of that trade and get paid less, when they can go to Alberta, Ontario or Manitoba? Why would they go there? We recently had Mexican farmworkers that came to British Columbia. They were working under a federal p r o g r a m .

T h e y w e r e g u a r a n t e e d $ 8 a n h o u r p l u s piecework, which is more than our B.C. farmworkers are given. When the employment standards code was changed, it became fully piecework. So these Mexican farmworkers went on strike because their working c o n d i t i o n s w e r e s o p o o r , a n d t h e y w e n t b a c k t o M e x - ico, where the working conditions were better. Think about that in this province. What kind of a message are we sending to the workforces that we're trying to get to come into Can- ada to pick up these trades? We're sending a message that we don't respect our workers.

We won't pay them fairly, and workers are going back with that message to their countries. It's counte rproductive to even…. The theory that is being put fo rward by some of these ex- treme thoughts….

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2505 Let's talk a bit about the dismal '90s again that we u s e d t o h e a r s o m u c h a b o u t . C h i l d r e n . I n t h e d i s m a l '90s there were lower class si zes in grades one to three. A new school was built every 19 days. There hadn't been schools built for years under the previous Social Credit government. In '91,136,000 new spaces and 5,423 classrooms were added. Since 1998, 658 portables were removed. School lunch pr ograms were introduced. Lowest child poverty rate again — second to P.E.I. Advanced education in those dismal '90s.

Tuition fees were cut by 5 percent in 2001 after a five-year freeze. B.C. tuition fees were 44 percent lower than Alberta, 46 percent lower th an Ontario. Three new uni- versities: Northern B.C., Royal Roads, Tech B.C. — 40,000 new post-secondary spaces since '92. Five com- munity colleges were designated as university colleges. The participation rate in post-secondary education im- proved from the second-worst in Canada in '91 to sec- ond in Canada in 2001 during those dismal '90s. Social justice and fairness. One of only two prov- inces that continued to build social housing — 6,500 units were completed.

You remember when the federal government got out of building social housing? It used to be a 50-50 partnership between the provinces. Que- bec and British Columbia continued to put the extra amounts in, and they built 6,500 units. Pay equity laws that work ed to end discrimination against women, and under this government, was the biggest cutback, the biggest severing of employment of women in the history of Canada in one swoop. Our government finalized the Nisga'a treaty, Can- ada's first modern treaty. The Premier decides to go on a referendum. The Premier th reatens to sue in the Su- preme Court.

Deputy Speaker: Thank you, member. C. Puchmayr: And that's my report. B. Lekstrom: It is certainly a privilege to stand in this Legislative Assembly today to give my response to the budget speech. I'd like to start by talking a bit about my riding of Peace River South in northeastern British Columbia. I think of it, certainly — as each and every one of my colleagues will refer to theirs, I'm sure — as the greatest spot in the prov- ince.

We are truly blessed with the resources and abun- dance of wildlife and species but, most importantly, with the people that live in the north and call it home. [1515] Each of our areas, I think, are unique in their own wonderful way. I can tell you that I've lived in the north all of my life. I'm proud to be from Dawson Creek, which is my hometown.

Like each and every one of my colleagues from both sides of the House, I'm sure that we didn't start out as children thinking that one day we were going to be in the Legislative Assembly represent- ing our constituents and the people and friends that we live with to try and make our province a better place. But I can tell you that ending up here, I'm extremely proud of the position I hold on behalf of the people I represent, not on behalf of myself. I think that's first and foremost what has to be, very importantly, pointed out. This budget covers a lot of ground.

It is a budget that I think is sound in its fiscal management approach. I think it is balanced in its approach to balancing off the needs of the people of our province, our social agenda and social needs, as well as maintaining a vibrant economy which creates our jobs and drives our ability to generate the revenue to invest in our health care, our education and our social programs. I'm going to speak to a number of issues. I'm going to start with the services for children. We hear a great deal about that, and regardless of what political stripe you're from, children have to be first and foremost.

It is of utmost importance to make sure their well-being is looked after, to make sure their needs are met, to make sure their safety is there. Each and every one of us — without question and without doubt in my heart, I be- lieve — feels that. This year's budget puts an additional $421 million into the Ministry of Children and Family Development over the next four years. That's an amazing amount when you look at what's happening. Are there chal- lenges? There most definitely are. Have there been chal- lenges since 2001? Yes. Were there challenges through that ministry during the '90s? There were.

Through the 80s? There were. It is a challenging ministry. My hat goes off to any minister over the last number of decades that's taken on that challenge to try and make it a better ministry, run more efficiently. I think that five years from now, ten years from now we'll still be work- ing to make it better. I hope that's each and every one of our goals: to make sure, each and every day we come to this Legislature, to make this province a better place.

In looking at the budgets, if you were to just possi- bly read some articles or hear some of the dialogue that takes place in here, you would think the Ministry of Children and Family Development budget was signifi- cantly less today than it was in 2001. The facts will paint a different picture. As a matter of fact, in 2001 the budget for the Ministry of Children and Family Devel- opment was $1.553 billion. That's what we had in our budget in British Columbia. Is it enough? I'm not sure it's ever enough.

But I hear about the cuts, and as a human being, I think our first instinct is to think inside: my goodness, how could you cut a ministry like that? The reality is that the budget today and the budget that was presented for the '06 year in British Columbia has $1.836 billion in the Ministry of Children and Family Development — nearly 300 million additional dollars from when we took office in 2001. In any way that I try and study those numbers and look at that budget, I can't see that as a cut. Have there been shifts in the delivery?

Most certainly there have, and that's where the philoso- phical difference comes from both sides of this House. You know, there are a number of issues that we obviously have differences on. That's why in a free democracy we elect people from different beliefs. The ideas that some share aren't what others share. The idea that the government shares apparently is not what the opposition shares, and I think that's democracy. I

2506 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 a l s o b e l i e v e t h a t w h e n w e l o o k a t p o l i t i c s , I ' v e y e t t o hear…. Although on occasion I've heard a couple of the opposition members speak about, "In this budget I was happy to see this," more often than not I've heard about what a terrible budget it is from the opposition. I've yet to hear how they would spend the $34 billion, but we all want the same thing. There's no doubt. And that's to make our province even better, because we live in the best province in this country, and we live in the best country in the world.

So as good as it is today, it's our job to make it better. That $421 million — where will it go? Well, $72 mil- lion is going to add more social workers and other front- line staff — something we've heard a need for. We've listened. We've actually planned. We didn't listen over the last two months or three months or four months, because the opposition has brought forward some of the ideas, saying: "We've messed it up, now you have to fix it." We've been building on this since 2001. Can we learn from each other? I think that most definitely we can.

I would love to get to a point, and we're not there yet, where a government can present a bill or a piece of legislation, and the opposition can actually get up and speak to it, talk about what's good in that bill and actually add some issues that they think may have been overlooked. If it's good, the govern- ments could actually take that and say: "You know, we hadn't thought of that." [1520] One day I think we're going to get there. I think we're doing a better job of it. I think you see the attitude and the way we operate in this Legislative Assembly. It's come a long way.

I think we have a long way to go yet, so that's what keeps me coming back, most definitely. The money we're spending. We also have $100 mil- lion to enhance the child protection system, something we talk about quite regularly in here, because children, as I indicated earlier, are important to each and every one of us, regardless of what political party you're with. We have $34 million to increase funding for phase two of the child and youth mental health plan — again, something we talk a lot about.

Although we talk about money and figures in this budget, it's important in how we implement and exe- cute the plans and in our ac tual fiscal plans we have that the ministry plans for how that money is going to be put forward, how it's going to be spent. I'll get to it a little further in my speech, but it's clear to me that sometimes all the money in the world doesn't fix a problem, and we face that significantly in health care.

There's also an additional $31 million to implement five regional aboriginal child and family development service authorities — something our government has worked toward, something the first nations have asked for. We continue to work towards that goal. Under services for children, there's an additional $421 million, bringing the total budget to $1.836 billion. Is that going to work? I think it's going to work. Can we improve on it? Most certainly. Does it mean we need more money? Again, I think that's an open-ended question. When is enough , enough? Is there ever enough?

Under the balance that we have and the money that is brought into British Columbia through our resource sector and how we generate revenue, the balance, for our government, is to find out how to expend it and how to deliver the best programs to the most people in British Columbia and to those most affected, those most vulnerable and to do it in a way that is sustain- able, and that is a key word. Skills development and training. It's something that's very near and dear to my heart. I have a history in that. My father was an instructor at Northern Lights College. My brother followed in his footsteps.

Both of them were welders. My brother now works with Northern Lights College. It's a challenge. I think we're doing a wonderful job. We hear the differences between ITAC and the ITA and how many apprentices were going into the system and how many are leaving. Madam Speaker, I'm going to give you some numbers. I'll speak to my area in the north. It's moving ahead very well. I think that we can talk about what took place in the '90s, we can talk about what took place in the '80s, but today we're in 2006. We can't change yesterday. We can fix today and work towards tomorrow, and we're going to do that.

Here's what we're going to do. In August of 2003 in Northern Lights College we had 524 apprentices regis- tered in our college region — not a bad number, I thought, when I looked at th at in 2003. But I'll go back. The last numbers I pulled up were in September of '05. We had 891 apprentices registered in our college sys- t e m . T h a t ' s a n i n c r e a s e o f 5 9 p e r c e n t i n j u s t o v e r t w o years. That's pretty significant. When you look at the dual-credit program that's taking place now with our grades 11 and 12 students working at entry-level trad es training, it's amazing what's taking place.

We us ed to have students…. We worried with our graduation rates, and I still think we have some work to do there. Students — once they hit late grade ten or grade 11, if they were going to go out and thought they were going to be a carpenter, a welder, a pipefitter or a plumber — any of an array of trades and apprentice- ships…. Many of them left school early. They didn't stay to finish their grades 11 and 12, which was really a tragedy, because at very minimum I think our students need a grade 12 in today's society.

We're seeing more and more of our students stay for grades 11 and 12 and complete their grade 12 diplomas, for the simple fact that they have the ability to move forward into these entry-level trades training positions through the dual- c r e d i t p r o g r a m . T h a t ' s q uite amazing, and it's some- thing I'm very proud of. Equally proud should be the people of school dis- trict 59, the area I represent. I also represent school district 60, which works in this. We're leaders in this field and have been at it for a good number of years, so I congratulate each and every one of those people.

The de-skilling we talk ab out, I think, is something of a red herring. A carpenter, for example, wants to go

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2507 out and knows that he's not ever going to be a full- fledged carpenter and doesn't want to be. But you know what? He wants to be a framer, and that seems to be the one that I hear about. He wants to be a framer, but he doesn't want to be a cabinet builder. He doesn't want to move through the full four-year trade. To be that, he should have that choice. [1525] It doesn't mean that the person who wants to take the four-year apprenticeship — to go through it and be the full-fledged carpenter — should be excluded from that right. He has that right.

What we have, if you look at it — and I've used this before in this House — is that it isn't really de-skilling. If you look at a welder, you can go in and take a C-ticket, a B-ticket, a pressure ticket. I don't consider a welder with a C-ticket to be de-skilled. I consider that's what his choice is. As he chooses to progress in that field, he's going to go back and upgrade, and upgrade at his wish — not at the wish of somebody else, but at the wish of the individ- ual. I think that's very important. The Red Seal. I heard the previous speaker speak about that briefly. The Red Seal is a national certifica- tion.

We've made no alterations to the Red Seal pro- gram, nor could we as a province. I think it's a valuable interjurisdictional certificate that allows — I'll use a plumber — to be certified in British Columbia, but if he wants to practice his trade across this country he needs to write a Red Seal certification. Not one thing has changed in that. That's a ve ry valuable thing, the Red Seal certificate. Many, many people take it up. Many people don't. The people that don't want to work inter- jurisdictionally or province -to-province but who just want to practice their trade here don't become Red Seal–certified.

Moving on, I want to speak — I know my time is limited — on the tax reductions that took place in this budget. They amount to $733 million over four years, and I think that's a pretty impressive amount of money. Now, many people would have you believe that this all went to the rich and to the corporations, but the true reality is that two-thirds of that $733 mil- lion over four years went to families.

One-third went to business to make sure that they remained competitive, because they truly are the people that create the jobs to generate the opportunities for ourselves, our children and our grandchildren — although I have no grand- children yet, and I'm happy to wait for that. It's quite amazing. There are challenges out there. There will always be challenges, regardless of who the government is or what the year is.

I don't think that in my lifetime I'm probably going to see everybody here, regardless of what political party they are with, saying: "We aren't even going to run to become government, because we think you're doing such a good job." That's just not how politics works. We all have our own ideas. We all try and move our agendas ahead. The homeowner's grant. We increased the basic homeowner's grant by 22 percent. We increased it to $570 from $470, which I think is something that affects every single homeowner in British Columbia. We also increased the threshold to $780,000.

In my area we don't have many $780,000 homes — not for the lack of people wanting, I'm sure, but the reality is that the way houses are priced in our pr ovince, ours have gone up substantially. We're seeing some tremendous increases in our real estate prices. I think the whole push this was for was for the people…. I'll speak to the seniors we hear so much about. They've grown up in Vancouver.

They pur- chased a home, possibly in the interior or on the Island, and they've seen their house values go from $100,000 to $300,000 to $500,000 to $700,000 to more than they could have ever imagined, so the taxes that we pay to our municipalities have a dramatic impact on them. In order to help accommodate those seniors, and all o f u s i n g e n e r a l , t o k e e p t h e i r h o m e s , t o s t a y i n t h e homes they've raised their children in, have grown up in — truly, it is their home — we've raised it to $780,000.

I can tell you that I've had people in my con- stituency say: "My goodness, you're doing this for the rich." This isn't for the rich. This is for the average per- son out there who is seeing their prices and their real estate values skyrocket. That's a good thing, but on the down side of it is something we have to address. That's trying to be able to adjust the homeowner's grant so that they can reap some additional revenue from the province to help them maintain their home. It cannot get any more im- portant than that. I read with great interest an

article in the February 22 Times Colonist , I believe it was, where Jim Sinclair, president of the B.C. Federation of Labour, had made a comment that unless you own a house over $780,000 or plan to buy a $55,000 car or your kids go to private school, you're no further ahead. You know, I've known Jim for a number of years, and I have to believe that possibly he just hadn't read the full budget yet and didn't understand this, because that just isn't true. That's a big problem with politics. I'll speak to this province, but it may be right across the country.

People go out and say things that, actually, an average British Columbian would read and go: "My goodness, I'll never be able to afford a $780,000 house, so what's this government doing?" Well, the government actually is helping everybody that owns a home. The reality was that this was confused, and it's unfortunate that stuff like this gets printed, because then people come and question us — both sides of the House. It's important to clear things like that up, Madam Speaker. [1530] The luxury surtax on vehicles. It's interesting that we call it a luxury surtax. I'll sp eak to it from a northern perspective.

We've raised it from $49,000 to $55,000. Again, Mr. Sinclair thought that was outrageous, if I interpret his comments right. I would think that many of the members he represents drive vehicles at $55,000 or greater, particularly in my area. These are vehicles that people use to go to and from their home in the country. They're vehicles that people use in the oil patch or in the mining industry. Agricul- ture uses them. So it isn't something that is for the elite.

2508 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 This is the reality of the world we live in. I'm going to get to our Finance Committee report, but it's certainly something we recommended, or a portion thereof, and I was happy to see it in this budget. Communities will see an additional $191 million over three years. Again, we're here to make our prov- ince, our communities, a better place and to have a better place to raise our children, and I think we're do- ing that. Our resources and sustainable development are something that I work around every day in my riding, like each and every one of you.

Just because you're in a rural area doesn't mean that's the only area that deals with resources. Downtown Vancouver is driven by the resources that are extracted from rural British Colum- bia. We have many thousands — thousands upon thousands of people and families — that are dependent on the resource industry and that live in Vancouver, Victoria, the interior, the K ootenays, and we should all be proud of our resource sector. I think we do one of the best jobs of anyone in the world of extracting our resources in a sustainable man- ner.

Certainly, if you look at forestry, which truly, in my mind, is the most sustainable resource on the planet — you cut a tree; you plant a tree — we have a great, great future ahead of us here. The key in the resource and sustainable develop- m e n t i s s u e t h a t I w a n t t o s p e a k o n i s t h a t o v e r f o u r years we're going to see $312 million invested in that. Of that, a key issue for me, and something I work on day in and day out, is $125 million for oil and gas roads. Our roads in the northeast part of our province have always been an issue, as long as I've lived there.

They were built 50, 60, 70 years ago to accommodate mostly agricultural traffic. You can't compare it to what we see today, whether it's our swathers or our com- bines — the equipment in the agriculture sector that we move around up there on the roads. The weights have changed. The oil and gas industry, the equipment they're moving — the traffic is phenomenal. Having been there all of my life, I can tell you that you drive up and down our highways today, and it really is amazing, in a good way.

But in that good way and with the traffic come concerns for people — con- cerns about being able to turn off the highway into your farmyard on a highway that was relatively busy but that is now exceptionally busy. An additional $125 million will help us upgrade our rural road infrastructure so that our school buses can move around, so that our families can get to and from their homes, so that the oil and gas industry and the mining industry can move, extract the resources, bring them to market and create jobs. I know that the people in Peace River South as well as Peace River North are going to benefit from this.

And we're going to benefit in the way that is going to help build our infrastructure. I can tell you that with- out a sound infrastructure in a province, your eco- nomic ability to generate revenue is lost. Tourism is another one. We're going to see $50 mil- lion invested in tourism in British Columbia. That's on top of the money we've already put in. We've put for- ward $25 million to the Union of B.C. Municipalities to work on behalf of their communities. Again, partner- ships are what it's about. Can government do it by it- self? I don't think so. Can we do it together as British Columbians? Yes, we can.

Infrastructure in our pr ovince. We talk about the debt, which I think is very important. Some people have raised the issue that more money should have gone to debt repayment. It shouldn't have gone to wages, I've heard. Or I've heard that more money s h o u l d h a v e g o n e t o w a g e s a n d l e s s o v e r t o t a x e s . That's the balance we all talk about when we speak to this budget. Infrastructure in education — we're going to see $3.4 billion invested in infrastructure for K-to-12 and the post-secondary educatio n system in our province. Those are amazing numbers.

That's to help create the 25,000 additional new spaces. That's to build new schools that we hear about. Certainly, I live in an area — school district 59, which I'll speak to — that doesn't see an increase in the stud ent population, but there are areas in this province that do. When that happens, we'll see new schools built. We'll see the ability to provide for those students. [1535] All right. Another $1.8 billion is going to be in- vested over three years for our health infrastructure — again, good news. "Can it be better?" we hear all the time. We hear questions in question period.

We certainly talk amongst ourselves. It's interest- ing. Many people and many of my friends at home think that because you're on this side of the House, you must never talk to that side of the House because they're from a different poli tical party. For the most part, Madam Speaker, I can tell you that I think it's fair to say that we're pretty much all friends. We're friends with different ideas on how we're going to get to the end result, which is to make our province the best place. I'm proud to call my colleagues on both sides of the House friends. We have some great debates.

It doesn't mean that we leave at end of the day agreeing, but we have some great debates. I want to speak for a moment on health care in gen- eral, which is something that is an issue in British Co- lumbia. It's an issue in our country, and it's really an issue right around the world. We've increased to an additional $301 million from the September budget update into this year's budget, meaning nearly two billion additional dollars will be added to health care over the next three years. To date, since 2001, we have injected an additional — an additional, Madam Speaker — $10 billion into health care.

That's a lot of money. Ten thousand million dollars is what that is. I explained it to some of my friends that way. They think it's a little difficult to understand those numbers. But when I ask people, "Is health care better today than it was in 2001?" I get mixed answers. I get some people saying: "You know, I think it is." I get others saying: "You know, we've got problems still on the seniors side of things."

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2509 I hear quite a bit on acute care, on our waiting lists. We're doing more surgeries, yet our lists continue to grow, because, I think, health care is growing at a pace so quickly, and our technological advancements are increasing. We're doing far more surgeries. Our ability to help people is far greater than at any time in our history. Along with that ability comes a challenge of finding that balance to make sure that we can look after those with acute care needs, with long-term care needs, with assisted-living needs.

I'm a big supporter of the seniors care model that we've implemented, which is home support, assisted living, complex care. I think that transitional model is a wonderful one. Do I think we still have some issues that we have to address? Yes. I don't think the system will ever be perfect. I go back to that time and time again, because to be honest , if we ever reach the day when it is perfect, there's no need for any one of us as legislators to be here. So I think we'll always have the ability to elect our legislators, because there'll always be room to improve. Health care.

An additional $10 billion since 2001 tells me that we have to have a fundamental look at what we're doing in health care. We have some of the best health professionals in the entire world working right here in British Columbia, and they have some wonderful ideas. In the throne speech, as we talked about, we're go- ing to go out and talk to British Columbians.

We're going to find out what they believe should take place, because — and I'm not here to scare people; I'm not here to blame anybody from our side or from the pre- vious side — if we continue delivering health care the way we have over the last 20 years and think that just putting more money into that system is going to make it better, I think we're drea ming. As much as I would like that to happen and be the reality, it's not.

There's a reality that we have to — as British Co- lumbians, I believe — be leaders in this world and make some difficult choices so that the health care that British Columbians want and deserve can be delivered in our lifetime, in our children's lifetime, in our grand- children's lifetime and can be sustainable so that we can receive the best health care of any jurisdiction on the continent and in the world. Education, again, is anot her issue that I think we can all probably reach a fundamental agreement on, and that is that we want to be the best-educated juris- diction in North America.

We want to have the best education system in the worl d, because it's about our children. I managed to go through an education sys- tem, and graduated many years ago, that I'm very proud to have come out of. I had wonderful teachers who are friends today, although we've had our debates lately on some issues that we've gone through as legis- lators. But they're friends, and you sit there and you go through it. It's not unlike when I went through school. Our children today are going through school.

I have chil- dren in school who are deve loping friendships with their friends but who are also developing friendships with their teachers, the people who deliver the educa- tion to our students. [1540] Can we improve our education system? I believe we can. I think we've done a great job since 2001. I'm not here to point a finger. I haven't in the past blamed people for the past. I can't change yesterday. I can't change the '90s or the '80s or the '70s.

But I can tell you that I'm going to work as hard as I can to make sure that the future is one that all of us can look forward to, including our children and our grandchildren. In education we've added an additional $112 mil- lion since the September update, for a total of 437 mil- lion new dollars over the next three years in education. That's again a significant number. All of these numbers are not including the actual negotiating mandate, which is important to recognize, because that's an addi- tional $6 billion. I'll speak to that briefly here in a few moments.

Balanced budgets are very important, I think we would all agree. I think there's a time to incur debt — a t i m e t o i n c u r d e b t w h e n y o u w a n t t o b u i l d h o s p i t a l s and schools and roads, but you don't incur debt to run the day-to-day operations of a province. We don't do it. We don't go borrow money to buy the groceries, or pretty soon the banker's kn ocking on your door, say- ing: "You've missed a payment on your house." I'm proud of what we've been able to accomplish fiscally and socially in this province. Our budget this year is $33.914 billion. That's a lot of money to spend.

If we're going to spend that, at the very minimum you have to believe that you can bring in $33.914 billion, or what you've done is instituted programs that may last for one year but in the long run will face some devas- tating consequences, because you can't afford them. I believe, and I've said th is when I spoke to budgets in the past, through the 1990s when we saw some is- sues fiscally within our province not go as well as, I think, most British Columbians felt…. I don't think we had a bunch of bad people that were really trying to do this. I think there were a number of issues.

I've said it before, and I say it to my friends, and I say it to my colleagues: I think we dealt with an administration that had bigger hearts than bank accounts. They couldn't fund some of the programs they wanted, as much as I believe they wanted to. But there's a reality that if we went down that path — and we were definitely headed there through the '90s — it was time to pay the piper. We reached a brick wall.

In 2001 when the people of British Columbia elected our government to come forward, they asked us pretty much a pretty straightforward question and asked for the answer to be: get our financial house back in order so we can deliver the programs that we all want for ourselves, our families and our children. I think we've done that, not without challenges and not without, I believe, the odd time where you make a de- cision and — you know what? — it may not have been the right decision. I think the sign of a good government is to be able to say: "You know, we made some changes, because

2510 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES M ONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 what we were doing through the 1990s wasn't work- ing. You know what? What we've tried hasn't worked the way we thought it would, so we're going to try something different." That's the sign of good govern- ment. I'm proud to be part of a government that can do that, and we have done that. I want to speak now to the negotiating framework that we talk about in British Columbia. Public sector wages and collective agreements are up. March 31 we're going to see 90 percent of the employees have their contracts expire, and $6 billion is on the table.

The single largest wage mandate in the history of this prov- ince, and in some cases I hear: "It's way too much. What are you doing giving that much away? Take $2 billion and put it on debt, and put $4 billion on the public sector." Well, I believe $6 billion is a fair number, and I'll stand up and discuss that with anybody. I think it's fair because our public sector employees are a big reason we were able to turn our province around. They helped a great deal — zero-zero-and-zero is a tough wage mandate to accept. I certainly appreciate what they put in.

It doesn't mean I agree with them all the time, but $6 billion is a fair and reasonable amount to reach a settlement. I'm quickly running out of time, but it's been a privilege to serve on the Finance Committee of this Legislative Assembly. We put forward a number of recommendations to the Finance Minister as one tool that she would use in the de velopment of this budget. I'm happy to say that she acted on a good number of those. In our budget we have addressed children and youth with special needs, a vehicle surtax threshold, training tax credits.

We have the mountain pine beetle account increased substantially, and fair and reason- able wage guidelines with the $6 billion that I just talked about. As my colleagues on the other side of the House and my colleagues…. Deputy Speaker: Thank you, member. B. Lekstrom: I see my time is up. In closing, I want to thank the members of this House for allowing me the opportunity. I want to thank the people I represent in Peace River South. It's truly a privilege to serve. [1545] M.

Karagianis: I stand here today to speak on the budget, much as I did back in September, and not sur- prisingly, my communities have the same needs and hopes from this government that they had then. My community still needs better emergency access to health care at Victoria General Hospital. We still need more home care options for seniors and more complex care beds in our community. I have been quite outspoken about my views on the failed privatization of food services and cleaning ser- vices in health facilities in the region, and last year I actually called for a full audi t of those services.

It's un- fortunate that the Minister of Health is not here, be- cause I would in fact like to offer my thanks that the minister has finally embarked on that audit. I look for- ward to hearing the results, and I hope that the gov- ernment can find better ways to deliver food, can put more common sense into a plan for change and can make sure that recovering pa tients are properly fed in this province. I see that this government is still pushing ahead with privatization.

The Pr emier's junket to Europe — now becoming more famous by the day — with his brother-in-law, a very outspoken proponent of two- tiered medicine, is a clear indication that this govern- ment will continue to push for more private health care regardless of the objectives and objections of communi- ties all over British Columbia. This is a frivolous en- deavour and completely unnecessary in my view. In fact, we have a perfect solution for ensuring our public health care system functions better and delivers far into the future, and that is the Romanow report.

Based on one of the most comprehensive consultation processes ever undertaken in this country, Romanow lays out a sensible and sustainable list of solutions to keep our health care challenges in public hands and gives us a plan that will keep the health care system healthy itself far into the future. Affordable housing is anot her real and urgent issue in my riding. The rental supplement program that the government is talking about offering is a great solution, but completely useless if there's no place to rent.

The reality in the capital region here is that there is very little in the way of rental space available. In fact, no developers are building rental housing. When is the last time anybody saw a developer actually build rental housing? Instead, rental pr operties are now being con- verted into condominiums for sale in this very lucra- tive real estate market. With the dramatic rise in real estate values, this situation will not change unless gov- ernment provides real progra ms and options to create affordable housing stock.

There's nothing in this budget that provides real solutions to the housing crisis or makes it possible for many working families in this area to even think about owning a house. The community council here in Victo- ria has documented the reality that more and more working families are spending up to 50 percent of their income on housing needs, and their low-paying jobs are putting home-ownership more and more out of reach. The issue of child poverty goes hand in hand with this problem, and in my riding the statistics are very grim.

We in fact epitomize the 24 percent of children living in poverty in this pr ovince, and those are fami- lies living in poverty. I'm disappointed that this budget did not offer any plans or solutions to that unfortunate reality. The growing homeless population also now in- cludes families. Fifty families in the capital region, here in the capital city, are no w homeless. There are grow- ing numbers of homeless in areas outside the urban centres — Duncan, Nanaimo. They are a tragic and

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2511 vivid example of what will happen with government cuts and negligence in looking after more vulnerable members of our society. Crystal meth continues to be a dominant issue. We heard about it in the budget speech — one of the most pressing social issues we have. I'm happy to see that government has taken the advice to create a central agency to coordinate efforts to combat this problem, but realistically, we need more treatment spaces, and we need more treatment options. I did not see money in the budget for that.

Five or six beds on Vancouver Island are not suffi- cient. We need more beds, and we need, beyond that, some kind of housing option. The reality is that a 14- day treatment is not going to get a crystal meth addict back on their feet. In fact, they need housing options. They need a long-term plan that goes far beyond the normal 14-day treatment. I didn't see any of that here for the communities in my riding. [1550] Several of my constituencies are still growing at lightning speed, and literally thousands of new homes are being built now and over the coming few years.

The growing pressures for tr ansportation solutions are very well documented. Every time there's a crash on the Malahat or gridlock in the morning commute, we are reminded o

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