Volume XL Monday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF · . NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 37 16 May 1988

The House met at 3:00p.m. M f~ . S P F.: A ~!...!L1J111 c N '.'i. c IJ_ o 1 as~ : Order, pleaSE!! Statements by Ministers PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr·. SpE!akE!t~. Mf~. SPEAI<ER: The hon. t~e Premier . PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. ·Speakl':~r. on bel·tcllF of rnysf~l.f and the Minister of Rural, A g r· i. r. u 1 t u r· e and Nor· t. h f;! t" n Development (Mr. Power), and indf~od on bc,~h<:llf oF all l:he tnerubE!r:. on th:is side of the House, l d rn p J. e i:t s c,~ d I: o a ,., no tll·t r. C'! Uta 1: a tJ tl'.i.q ue happc,!l·ting has ta i<EHt · placE! in l:.hE:!

N('!l.ltfottndl.t'lnd Agl".i.cult-. ui·'c~l Indus try OVE!r the LIJE!ekend. rhi.s pas L IJ.JeE!kend LhP Newfoundl.dnd Enviroponics Complex at Mount Pearl shipped its first load of cucumbers outside of the Province. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! PREMIER PECKFORD : ~he Complex now has four zones producing. The weekend shipment is the first of many to be made to the rest of North America. Mr. Speaker, for reasons of competition I cannot release the marketing arrangPments at Lhls time.

However, the Newfoundland pt"oducH h~\S bf~(,Hl IAtell ar.cf'!pl-.c'!d <'Hid a repeat order has already been r· F.! c: E! .i. tJ f~ d . I' o (:11 J. ~- h o !; c~ c: r· J t J. c s and oHHcH'S IAtho do not l:. h:i.nk this I~ h :i n g ·i. s go i. n g to IMO 1" k , l h a v c,~ neiAtS fo1~ them. SOME HON. M~MRERS : L1947 May 16, 1988 VoJ. XL Hear, hE!ar! MR. WELLS: Mr. Spea-ker. MR. SPEAKER: The han . the Leader of 1: hE! Opposttion . MR. WELLS : Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

Mr·. -5peai<E!t', !AJO !Ati.ll. bE' !~impr· essc~d IJJhE!n we SE!E! thE! botl·:orn J.:i.ne and . s c,~ F.! t h C:l t. i. 1: p r· o d u c e s s om c;!i: h :i. n g grE!E!n bE!J.OIAI thE! bot t om J.:inE!, but.: no ·t-. br,~ Fol"<~. fJOM[ l-ION .. ~EMB E_!5..§ : Oh, oh! !:1£L._ S P E A K E fl : 0 r· d o ,~ , p l e,r., s c;! ! Mf~ . WEL LS : And l do not E!XpE!Ct. it to any bl.ack i.nk below the l·i.ne . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: produ ce bott:otn Order, pleaSE!! Order, plE!aSE!! MR . f\1ATTHEWS: You will see our bottom line before we see yours on your salary . MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! MR.

WELLS: Mr. Spc,~dl<r:!r, you can SE~ll. any t·. h:i.nq if you SE!ll :lt: cheaply E!nough c:~ncl y 0 U r:·\ r f~ p t' E~ p i'l r· C~ d 1~. 0 C 0 Ill p E! l:: E! . There is no question about that. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! [:1J~-· _WE L~.§. : Anybody can do that. J1 Ll t. IAI E:~ 1AJ :i. 11 No. 37 R 1. 94-7

be impressed - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER : Ordc,~r, p ' l.c,~ase! MR. WF.LLS: We I Ali 1 J b E! i m p r E! s s e d , 1"1 r . S p E! a k e r , IAihr,HJ IAIA s~H,~ Lhr;! boU·.o111 J.i.nr,~ and see that it has not cost the t. a x p a y r:H' s o f 1.: h J s P ~~ o v -i. n c f:~ i.: h e money that it appears at thE! moment. "iL "i.s costtng l:I·H:! t.axpayE!i;:s of this Province. I am no t q u i t: e s u r e IAI h a 1:. t h E!

PrE!mier is talking about in this statement when he says 1 It was shipped just this WBE!kend and thE! produce has b~~en IAJc,dl rc-:lce:iued 1 • I assume it must be samples or something that was sent before. MR. SIMMS: Time is up. MR. WELLS: If it was sh ·ipped th ~is IJ.Jeekend, 1: do not see how it could be well received by the consumers. tt must be transmitted by E!lE!Ctronic b r:~ am s o r s orne l: h i. n g 1: o h a v 0 r e a c h E! d the mal~kl.':~t in that. time. It IAiill b P. v r,~ r y .i. n -1: e r· c:! ~; 1: .i. n g to s_ f~ e i.: h f'! bottom line, Mr. Speaker. SOME I·ION.

MFMB FRS : I·IE:~ar·, I·H~ar! MR. FEN~HCK : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : The han. the member for Menihek. MR. FENWICK: It is pretty difficult, Mr. Speaker, to rc-:~spond to the statement. I think IJ.Ie have to be the only Province in Canada that continues to have these L 1948 May 16, 19 813 Vol XL agricultural updates on particular project like this. 0 n E! I am n o t s u r e , 1'-1 r . S p e a k e r , lA I h y IAI E! contLnue t.o gc;!t thi.s.

The projc;!ct is onE! that we haVE! had a chi'H1CE! ~: 0 J. 0 0 k d l, I~IP h c:,l U e h i'.'l d a C h i;l l'l C E! to do some inVE!Stigation on, tAle have had a look at souw of !::he nurnbE!rS, and pe!rsonally I do no 1: b e l j_ P. v r,;! I: h a l: I: h o lJ o l.1.1 m 0 a n d '1:: h E! price will hold up to the point IAJI'l!o! 1".~~ ,,,,r,~ tAd J.l. b 1':! a b J. f~ 1:: o rni'~ I< E! morlE!y on it, and I th:i.nk that is a bit of a tragedy. L do know that onE! of thE! things we-:~ did predict., back on March 22, whe!n we went through thE:~ projE!Ct, was that the-'! tomato production looked VE!ry poor.

I think IAdthin three weeks afLer that time period the tomato production ceased, which indicated, I think, that there are major problems with tt. That fact j s, Mr·. SpE!ake!r, IAIE! haVE! gon0 into this project, we have ptJt a lot of money in it, and IAIE! h a v e c o mm it. t. E:H~ a l o i-. of t h E! , q u i t e frankly, credibility of the admi.n~i.sl:.rat:i. on on i:hP. ol::hc,, r· s·ide on it. Personally, I ·think :it IAif.ls an Jll-adlJ:l.s~~d pl"ojecl: and i.t IAI:.i.ll prove to be that tAJay six months, r-d.ghts months cw a yc,~di" ft"orn now.

The fact that any produce has lefL lhe Province is nol:: really significant . The fact :is thc-~t tAle st:J.ll have lo see the bottom ltne, and that will be about a year from 1101AI, and IAie IJJ 'i.l.J. l<nOIAI at thi:d : tiiTIE! how the thing operates. MR. BARRETT: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. thE! M:i.n:istE!r' of Development and Tourism. MR. BARRETT : Mr. Speake!r, I am dE!J.ightE!d to No. 37 Rl948

announce to the House of Assembly th"i.s <:lfternoon t.h~~ c::ommf.!ncc;!mont. o·f Tout"isru At.~JarE!I1E!SS Week in N~1wfoundlt:tnd and l..r::tbradot'. EV(:H'Y y(,~ar t.•Je sel as"ich~ this IAJeek to focus on thE! value of tourism l:.o our Pr·ovince and to Y'(;!Cogrdze thE! thousands of Neu.JfoundlandE!rS and Labrador:ians IAJho make up thr:dr living in the tourism industry. Years ago , there was a prE! v a i 1 in g thought in this Prov:lnc(->. tha ·t. tourism t.uas some ktt1d of cottagE! "i, n d U S t r y IAI h i. C h 1 IAJ h i.l e n i.

C e i n :i t S ou.m right, was not rE!ally alJ. that significant in terms of our social and economic dev~lopment. Today, I IJJOUld VEHltl.lr(-:1 to S<':\y that t.I'H:1re are very few Newfoundlanders and L a b r· a d o r .i. a n s IAJI1 o h o J d 1.: o t. h a 1-. ant:lqualed theory. In fcu : t, our· p(:~ople al"(:1, day dr.~y, bP.COITI'i.ng lfiOI"O i:l.IAJr.\i"P.

OF fact that tourism is one of most s:ignJF:i.c;:·1nt Jndt .tsti".i.E!S this Province in terms of employment creation and generation of economic 1.uealth. by Lhc;! thE! i.n both the AJJ OnE! has to do is travel throughout thi. s Pro vi nc c,~ and talk to our community leaders the town councillors, the mayors, dE!VeloprnE:~nt officials, and others to see that they are excited about the prospects and opportunities presented by the creation and development of a tourism industry in their areas.

ThE!Y have comE! to this conclusion because they see tourism as a posttive altE!rnattve t.uhich has the pot.ent .-J.aJ. l:o g(:1n~H'ate rrti'lny nel.LJ jobs and new money for their local cornmun'i.t.'i.E!S. lot of t:hc;! Ci"tH:hi: fot" thi.s renaissance of thought must be shat"(;!d, F·i.i"st: IAJ:i.t.h l:hn far .. . s·Lghted leaders of our community who L1949 Ma. y 1. 6 • 1. 9 as Vol XL recognized the potential for ec::onom"i.c cLi.VF.!i"S.i.fi.ct'li::ton pr'BS(o1nted by tourism and have· gone to great lengl.:hs to br"i.ng that ITH::'ssag('! t.o their people .

I also believe that the co-operative efforts of the Provincj .aJ. governrrtE!nt, through rny department, and through the fE!deral goVE!rnment and its tourism agencies, as IAH;!l.l as ·l: hrough Lhr:! privatE! sector through its tourism agency, the Hosp ·ital:i.ty Asso.ciatJ.on of NE!WfoundJ.and and Labrador, arE:1 all V<'H'Y 1nuch responsible for this high J.evel of tourism awareness in this Province.

R e 'i:iAJl':1 (;! n· us , IAJ(o~ havE! s pH n t. a g r' E! c~ t deal of time and rnonE!Y in 'l:.hE! last d c,~ c ad t=! ·i. n a j o i. n t c,~ f ·f o r t. t o dl':welop a top qual:i.Ly tour:i.srn t ndu !d:l" y, i'l !; ~~If:! 1 J. as l:.o pr' oJno l.:E! and market the Newfoundland and Ldbi"aci<H' Tour· ·i.sHt c;!xpr.'!l":i.E!nce, and theSE! E!ff'ot"t.s arE! sl:at"U .ng t.o pay o F F :i. n b i g d i. tJ i. d r:! n d s . Last y0ar, as a whole, we entertained close to 300,000 l) .i. s .H: 0 j'' s r r () rn 0 u t s l. d E! 0 f Net.uf ou ndland and La brad or.

ThE! s E! p eo p le c arnE! by c:d r , t h (;! y c a rrw by water and by road. Th~~y tr·avE!J.led in cars, i.n buses, t:ra'i.J.c~rs and motor home caravans. They also carne:1 by tral.n int.o l .. abrador' .WE!S t and by boat into GooSE! Bay, and they camE:~ by sai..lboat:., fr•om thE! Northeast United States and from as far away as Florida. ThE:1y bought:. cr·af ·t-.s, th~:!y st.ayc,1d :i.n holE!1S, and rnote1s · and hosp:i.t.aJ.:i.ty hOirl(:~S . fh~~y i'\ 'l: (:1 l.n our rE!Staurants and bought. gas.

ThE!Y Look i.n boat : l:out"S, dnd v:i.sj .t:E!d museums . and participated at t.he [il . llrlrfJ<,~r f("!S t:i.vals and communi t.y celebr·a ·t.ions and con Lri.but.E!d Jn (~xcn!;<; oF $1.0(i m:i.l.J.J. on nc;!IAJ dollar's to this Province 1 s economy. Add to !::his, Mr. SpeakE!r, the $230 No. 3 7 R1949

million spent by resident Newfoundlanders and Labradorians 1.1.1ho vacationed at horne last year and you get an accurate picture of the total impact of tourism in t.hi.s Pr·ov:i.nce. So, -Ln essencE:1, OVfH' $336 mi.J.J..ion !Alas s pE! nt on the t.ou ri sm product offE!r·ed by oper·a'l:.o1ns thr·oughou 1.: Newfoundland and l.abrador. This yc;!ar· increase :Jn I.~JE! aLl anti.c:.i.pat:e thesE:1 levels i'll'l of vis .i.l:.al."i.on ;:~,nd 'L:our·i.s 1.: exp<Hld i.tuinr~ as a r·esult of our arnbit-:i .ous i:~ cf V (,1 r ·J:i. S i. n 9 c!l n d 0 U In HI a r k fd: :i. tl g campaigns undertakE!n in thE!

Northeast United States, throughout CE!ntral Canada and the J1.1arit-Lmr:1s, as IA.Jell. as locally here in the Provjnce. And, I rnight add, t:·.he:~ excit.emE!I'lt of So:lrr:H~! 1 88 has CE!rtainly contributE!d grr:~atly to this ever increasing interest in the Newfoundland and Labrador vacation. In 1988, the Department of Development and Tourism has increased the advertis-Lng budget by $300,000 to a total amount of 1.8 million Uli.s ye:~ar. And, as I said, we expec ·t to have even grr:1al:er rc,~suJ.ts i'lnd levels of tourism expenditure as a direct rE!SUl. 1: of lhi.s.

Already, we are getting some p o s 'i. t·. i. tJ r,~ :i. n d .i. c a I~ ·J o n s I: h d t t: h a I: advertising and these other promo l.:i.onr.; i•lre s l:i:H'1·. ing Lo p;::~y off. The )1.':1Ve1 of enqu]ries we hr:~V<::' rec:ei .ved via rn;~JJ. i'Hld i:.hrough our· toLl-freE! tour{srn information service, so Far this year, have incrE:H:'.tsed by over 20 pE!r CE!nt abovE:1 las-t: year·' s figurc,1s. In fact, jt is quite ltkely that u.Je will answer more than 100,000 such enquiries this year.

And, each and every one of those peopJ.e represent potE!ntial future tourism L1950 May 16, 19 8 8 Uol XL business for this Province. It might seE!m clichE'! to say J.i':., but we are now only starting to scratch the surface of our true 1: o 1.1 d. s rn p o t e n t "i. c'll . A n d 1. 1: :i. s t: h e con ·U.nUE!d co-operation of govc-:!r'nHIE!nl: and t.hc-:! pr·i.vate secl::or· IA.Jhich u.lill E!nablE! us to deJ.iVE!r a qu;:\l.·i. Ly prod11r:t to t:hE:!SE! ~~vr:!l" increasing numbers of visitors. I . a !; 1:. y r'! <'li'' , ProvinCE!

For· and r:! x i'llrlp J. c.:! , thE! bo t:h thE! fE!dE!ra1 govr~rnrnenL pl"Ov.i.ciE!d $:1.5 mJ1l. .ion in incentive funding for sc-~ci.:cH' pr•ojc-~ci:s ltndc;!t'' t:hc,~ Development Agreement. pr-ive:lte Tour :i.sm Thjs J.everaged $6.2 million in additional private sector invc,1st.tnc,1nl··. in thc;!S<::~ sa1ne projects.

So, last YE!ar·, through the co-operative efforts of governm(:1nt. and the pr'J.vatE! sE:!ct:or·, tAlC~ ge:~nc.;!r·a'l::E!d closE! to ~lilO mil1:ion in E!XpenditurE!S to :i.tnpoVE! our tourism pr·odi.tct, IAihet.her' it: be for' accommodations or an attraction or the:~ pro111otion oF an event: or something E!lSE! entirely, and it illustrates very clearly to me that tAle have ad opted thE! co r·rE! c t approach in the development of this industry in thE! Province, and that the publ:ir: <·:<~nd the pr''ivat.e sectors arE! togethE!r, and togEd:her on t h f:! r j_ g h ·1: t r· a c k .

Today we recognize Tourism Al.o~Jainr~tH~ss Wc-:!r~k, Fully cogrd.zant of the fact that tourism awareness c:~ n d I: 0 U Y' J S 1 n d c,~ V e J 0 p rrt E! n 1:. i:·l I" e y e clln round rE!sponsib:iJ.it-.iE!S, and possi .b:i.ltl::i .c.:!s. And t.our·istn atAJareness is E!VE!ry NetAJfoundlandE!rs a n d 1.. c:l b r· a d o in :i. a n s b u s i. n c,~ s s . RE!Cord numbc,1rs of tour·ists arE'! being compelled to vjsit our Pr·ovi.nce. This Surnrnc,H', each and eVE!r'y pE!rson :.Ln th:i.s Prov:lncE:! should cons:idc;qn thEHrtselves a host. and make every effort to provide a No. 37 R.l950

high level of setnvi.ce and h o s p i. t a l i. 1:: y l.: o o 1 H' v :i. s ".i. t o r s . 1.. 0. i: us IAJork together ar1d again dE!1iver the goods on the best vacation expe:~rienCE! , on lJfestylE:~, on history a nd culture available anyt.uherr:~ in North Arner·ica the Newfoudland and Lctbrador vacation r:~xper:ience. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hc->.ar, ht:1ar! MR. KELLAND: Mr·. Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : The han. t.hE! rnE!ITtber for Nas kaup i . MR. KFLLAND: I do not know if it is inadvertent, but I did not receive a copy of I: he s tr:d·.co1rnE:Hlt , Mr. Minister.

It probably got rn -i. s d :.i. r 01 c t Cc' d s o rn c,~ IAI h r,1 r· c,1 i'l J. o n g 1:: h f'! Jjne . AnytAJay, that ".is neither· h r,~ r c~ o r t h e r e , T 1.1 n d o r s "1: a n d i: h e :.taternent as you read it and as you i.ntonded. MR. RARRETT: I sent i.t to your ofh. ce before lunch. MR. Ki:I.. LAND : Thank you, very much, Mr. Minister. It t.uas probably misdirectE!d, as I sai.d. I think, notAl that the Prernir:H' has announded his cucumber awareness tAleek, the one that thc:1 M:inistr:1r of Development and Tourism (Mr.

Barrett) has announced is rnuch more significant, and wi.ll bE! much more si.grr.ifi.cant, l-:.o our ProvtncE! than ~he project - PREMIER PECKFORD : Tl: c:dl hE!lps . 1 .. 19 s 1 May 16, 1.988 - Vol XL. Yes, indE!ed, it a11 does hE:1J.p, and l~lf~ IAI :.i. l. J ~; (.~ A t h A r E! S U l. t S -j_ n 1·.: h E! next provincial election, I suggc~sl-. l:o the;! Prern·i.er. I bE!lieve, Mr· . M:inist:E!Y', that you a r c,1 i n d E! E:' d o n L h c,1 i" i. g h t t.: r a c k . We discussed this somewhat in t he qu~~sl:i.ons and <.HlSt.•.JC'!Y's in l·:hE'!

Es-timatE!S .Cornrntt.:tee and, as I said at. t. h 1:"1 1: t :i IIIE! , T Found that wherever possible the mi nister wa s forthcoming with his information and - indicated that hE! has a h:i gh level. of seeing the tourism industry developed in our Province. I strongly support that, because I also believe we have a uast po t ential.. I was given a figure some time back IAJh :i. ch sa.id l7 or evc,1ry ~ 1>1. rn:ill ion spent by tour is l: s , Life s E:! ('! s e l) ('! n t y ... r i. l) (,1 j 0 b s c r· A a l: (:' d .

T h ('! minister may be able to confirm - Lh;:~l·., Oin (·:l , gttlnf:!~; ·i.n l:h<'li-". '-'ll"t"i:·1. ~ ; )o in the figures he was ta1k:i.ng abottl:, nol: ju s t Lhe do:J.l.i'll"S !; p E:!nl:: in actual empJ.oyment resuJ.ting fr•om i:OIIi"'i.~;m deVE!J.Opl"nF.!ni": c:tnd l::hE! tourism industry, tAlE:' have SE!E!n a s j_ g n if :i. cant n u rnb r,1 in of j o b s directly related . I also belieVE! in the conCE!pt of plnovi.<Hng lrtOJ~e l::ratn:i.ng in thE! private sector. I know the minister made some announcements just recently on that. I · belieV E! morc,1 of that. "is neE!dC;!d.

I would personaJ.ly li. kE! to SE!E! a 91"E!ai":E!Y' concentration of effort in the Labrador' part of our ProvincE! . I suppose !:.haL "i!.> nal·: ur·al, in that: I r E! prE! sent on o of UtE! seats . I tAJould l·i.kE! t-.o sE~E~ sornc;!t:h·.ing done wtth re!spect to thE! fE!rr:i.E!S which give Lourists access to our Plnovince. I would also likE! to SE~e somc,,th "'i. ng done tAJ "il :h l ~ he IAl r-t ·ter transportation, the ferries that -1:. '-'' k ('! to t.t i" i. s -t. s on go .i. n g ·f l" om t. hE! Island of Newfoundland into l .. abt"adotn. Sotne oF -t ·. hr'!'; e i'\r·r-:! mu c h No . 3 7 R19Sl

less a standard than I personally would like to see. I think thE:1 m·inister is right in giving credit to a lot of sectors. The business cornmuni.ty, probably Jn a lot of caSE!S t.uherE! there are tourism associations, took over from groups that were essentially volunteer. Credit should be given, of course, to the v o l u n l:E!

E~ r· s 1~1ho hav c,1 he J. ped 'l:.ou r .ism gtnot~J in our Pr·ovince, but volunlet>r"i.sm CC.'I11 only go so rftr' and then the prj vate St1ctor·, the bus i. nos s p eo p 1 e . h r.ltJr~ i: o t <:<l k t:! over, in that they are the OfH;!rH'I.:Ol"~;. thOSf~ I.•JhO I~J.i.ll mr.~kF.! l he,dtn living from it. I have . experiEHlU•d sornc,1 of l':.h<.·lt rnysr;!lF in L a brad or , and I k n ot.u they do i i: i n o i: h f:1 r p a r· t: s o f l: he P r o v i. n c: e;! , h i;i v e done it, and will continue to do so.

I was also very interested earlier in what the minister had to say about a combined tourism/cultural sort of conferencE! or seminar that: will relate to Labrador and, no doubt, to other parts of the Province as well. The minister can be assured and the ·government can be-?. assure.;!d that t:he Opposition firmly and strongly supports any initiative and any effort that IAJOt~ld bring mor'E! tourists to our Prov.ince, and kEH!p Lhr,1rn hf:!re J onger so they u.JOuJ.d spend morc,1 money, and l::hcl'l: J.s 1.~1hat i.!> i , !; r.~l.l about. We do haVt1 a ve:H'Y vast p o t r;! n ·t·. i. a J i n '1: o t 1 r· J. ~; m .

MR. SPFAJ<[R: Or·del", p] ease! MR. I<EU.ANO : If t may clue up, Mln. ~:>pc,1akr~i". Wr:! have a vast potenti.al, and if we h a v E! 1.: h i. n g s L o s e ll t: h a L F l. o r t d a does not have to sell, thE!n tAJe will sell the things we hctve in tourism and lE!t Florida sell what L1952 May 16, 1988 Vol XL they have to sell. I think we have a great potential, a great future in tourism. Tnank you. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. LONG: Mr . . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: T h f~ h o n . 'l. h o m r,~ m I:H'! r' f o r ~:a.. J o h n 1 s East_. MR.

LONG: Wf~ r:l}(;() join tAri. l'.h i:hc,1 rni. n'isUH' :in acknowledgJng the significance of tOIIJ"·i.srn dnd dotJel.opmenl:. Tl·lc'!Y'E! are a couple of points I would J. .J. k E! t 0 In a k 8 ·i. 1'1 In CO! S p 0 1'1 t; 1"! t: 0 t. h ·j, S statement. OnE! is, thE! ITIE!I'I'I~HH' fcH' MtHli.hc,1k (Mr. Fen1~ri.ck) makes note that on page 3 the mi.n:i.stE!r' talks about v ls:i.t:.or·s corn:i.ng l.:o Labradol" West by train. ThE!Y also corne by the;• r·oc:~d not.u, F'I"Oin Ba'iE~ Corneau. which has bE!E!n ftnishE!d.

We not:iced t.o~d.th r'E!gr·et last IAJiiH~k. when thE! ministe!r gave us a package 1.uhich wc,1 appreciated. l:o see the fine materials being produced by his departmtHlt, that the most recent map dOE!S not haVE! the~ r·oad fr·om BaiE! Comc,1au l::o l...ab City clearly marked on the map.

S o , I~H'! rn i g h t: b r· i. n g t:. h i:·l l.: t·: o l: h E! ministE!r' 1 S at:'l:E!nti.on, bco!CEWSE! obviously l:ha'l: is a Vr'!Y'Y :itnpor·t.ant d e v e 1 o p rn e n t t hat h a s t a kEn1 p 1 a c E! i n l'. h e J. i'l. !> i'. c: o 1 J p 1. o o f y e '" r' s IAI h ::i. c h we want to promote to let visitors bE~ r.~t~kll"f~ thc:-t l: thf'! y can d r·i. v f:! l:o Lab WE:1st. I rrri g h t a 1 s o s a y , M I" .

S p E! a k (;! r· , i:hr.d·. i.l: ·i.s l.o~JU:h somo ir·ony T nol::c,~ the rninister 1 s expression of cornrni.i:trtr'!nt t.o a pi'lrl:nE~r·sh-Lp both public and private, because this -L s a mi. nt s tr,1r IAJho. in s OJrl('! of hJ. s othe!r capacit:iE!S, is quitE! pr·oud of t:hr~1 qoVE!rnmE!I'l'l.: 1 s ins:ist:c;!ncc,1 on aJ.lot,.~,d.ng and E!ncouraging the No. :17 Rl952

pl''ivate sector to take the lead. W c~ s cWl U1 i:d.: t.u .i t h t 11 c.~ s al o o f NeiAJfoundJ and Har·dwood ·s, and the s u g go s Li.o n fr·om tho m·i. wi. !; i:rH' L hal: anything the privatE:~ sector could do, govf:!rnment should gwL 011l: of the way and let it do it. Of coursc;!s, !:hat philosophy doos not:. aliAJays make sr:H1se. It is not i:<t l.IAl c.~ y s p r· a c l i. c a l.

A n d i. n t h C:! er:~ s E! of tourism development and the dE!velop1nr:1nt of Lour·-Lsrn pot·.E!nt.·.i.al, :it is, of courSE!, critical that there be government involvement, both provincial and federal, to assist especially the many small busjness · people who look to the tour·ist season as the kE!Y t"imE! of year for them to be able to expand their services and make a return. So i. t makE!S a lot. of S(~nse, Mr. SpE~ai<E:'r', that thE! governrnr:1nt haVE! a cotTtmit.rnE:1nl t.o Lh·'i.!; pat" ·l:nr:!r·sh:ip. l k n OIAl t n rny oiAm d :is t ric t, her· e in Sl.

John's ., som'r~ of UH'! programmes, including the private s r.~ c l:.o I" r~ mp J. o y mc-:! n t p 1"09 rc:wnno t: h i'\ ·1· government makes available to smr.~ll bus:i.nf:!SS opc-~t"<:li:.Ol"S, .:tr'C:l quite important to the small b u s :i. n c,1 s s p r,w p 1. P. :i. n tl,-i. s r: 'i. t y a !; they Jook toward the Summer and v a c cl L :i. o n 1:. -L me r.1 n d b c,1 i. n g a p r.1 r L o ( ·l:l't ~=! tour is t a c ti vi t y i n t hi s city .

I rrd.ghl also Sc'ly, Mr. ~3p( : !al<t:!r, that we see a really important need, dnd unfortunately the minister does not say anything about :it., but I am surc,1 hc,1 is aware of lhe need to develop a tra :in:ing aspect in the se:n·v:ice industry particularly, that there :is a need to promote education and training within the tourist indus r:ry so that 1:1'1E:1 sc,'rv:icE!S ar·c;! provided in the most efficient manner possible, and where services are underdeveloped, they trr:ighL neod ass1 .s hHlCC.:! ftnom gOVE!Y'I'HnE!nt. May l0, 1.91l3 Vol. XI.. I might also say, Mr.

Speaker, in ol:hor arr,1as IAJhr,1rA thr;! gotJp,r·nmfHlt is looking for supp6rt from the f P d r,H' a l g r)

l) n I" n m o n t , s 1.1 r: h a s r• o a d s and highways, this is also Cl":i.t:i.cc:ll i·.o our· succr.~ss J.n be:inq able to market ourselves as a fully soruiced Prov ·inr:e. Finally, Mr. SpeakE!r', IAlE! pl.E!c\SE!d to notE! MR .. SPEAI<ER : OrdE!r, please! MR . LONG: thE! tn:in:ls l:t'1r' mc;!nt.ions cul. LurE! and history, and we are glad to see the first acknowledgement of that by the minjster. MR. DOYLE : Mr . f:lpeake:1r. MR. ~3PEAI<ER: Yh·e-·-------h o -r·i··~- thE! Min :i.s l: er· of r I" ft 1'1 s p 0 I" L r:l t: :i () n . Ml~. DOYLE : Ml".

Spe!aker, I would J.i.kE! l:.o i.nfo1nm hon. rno1nbr;!I"S oF i:hc,1 HouSE! ·that after careful considE!I"atton govr:!r·nrn(:!nl: he\:; c:lc,1c:i.dod to posl:. ponE! the enactmE!nt of thE! Dl"iVE!r' s Po:i.nt Progrr.lllllrtO, tJ.lhJ.ch was scheduled for implementation t his Spl"i. ng. This dE!C:ision was madE! becauSE! 90VE!rntnf~nt:. IAlt.'lS COI'lCE!r'11t1d that SUCh a system couJ.d be considered an infr·i.ngc'!rnc,1nt on the,~ pr·iv:il.E!9E!S oF our pE!OplE! to hold a dr·:i.vE!r·' s JiCE!I'lC~~ .

WhE!n thc,1 nc,~E:ld for· a Po·:.Lnl·:s Syst.~;:1rn t.ua s i ni U.ally brought to the e1U:enti.on of got)(H'I'ltnE:111l: it !Ala s :in the form of a total driver J.mprouemenl system, whereby, drivers who showed signs of ostr.lbl :i.!; htng a poor · dt" -L vi.nq r'(,'COI"d were counselled and given ample 1\Jo . 17

opportunity to correct their ways before being suspended. However, tAJe fE!el that· after careful considerRtion, the programme, which has been developed and recormnended for implr:.~mentat.:ion, is a little bit too punitive and it does not afford drivers adequate tJJar·ning and opportunity to ccH'rE!Ct their ways before being suspended. Mr. Speaker, this postponement will allow time for additional study. It gi. u€:!S govc,~rnrnent mo;~p time to assess the existing mRL<,H'-i.al.s on l:he,~ subj,~ct f;"orn bol·.h thE:~ point of vJetAJ of the;! e F f r~ c: t :'i. lJ e'! n C:! s s of s u c: h r.t s 1J s 1".

C! rn i. n pt"otecting UtE:~ public, tJJh:ih~ aJ.so ;)).lo1~J:i.ng for· Cl ·Fttr·l':hoi" c;:~rc~fltl. ~;tudy of the ffiE:'charr.isrns necessar·y l: 0 he,~ l. p d r i. I) (;! i" S :J.iTI p r 0

I) e ·l·. h (~ i. ;~ dd.v:i ng habit!>. ThJ.s is not t.o say that. drivers 1 rE!COt'dS lAJi.l.l 1'10[: bfo! ITIOI'li.i:Oi"E!d "i.n the :interim. · The Reg:is ·trar of Motor Vehicles for the Province continually monitors the driving record of those whose history of motor vehicle safety is questionable, and he has the authority to suspend a driver 1 s license -Lf he or sh<.;! cont.i.nu<.;!S to drive in a manner dangerous to pub1ic safE:~ty. M r· .

S p f~ a k E! r . t.: h e p o s 1:: p o n E:~ m fHl l -L s for an :i.ndefinite period and I arn n o L p r· l'! p a t' e d , a t t. h i. s l:i. rn e , 1.: o indicate when in the future goVE!rnm<'!ni: IAJi.l.J. bf~ -i.n i.'l postti.on to t~econsider ·.lmpl('!rnentat:i.on of a poi.nl .:s pr·og1";~mrn0.. flot~H~ver', T hdve'! instructed rny officials to once ;;i•::J;•1i.n rr,~IJ-i.t'!IAJ the COI.ll'lSOl.J. i.ng dl'ld c,~ d tJ c at i o n of d r :i v e r s :i. n UtE~ hopE! ~hat. overall drtuer s~fety will be ~ch:i.eved without the use of puni. l:.·i.ve,~ c:•1Ci.::i.on:; Sl.ICh ;:~ s thr~ driver point system. SOME HON.

MEMBERS: L1954 May 16, 19B8 Vol. XI_ Hear, hear! MR. GILBERT : Mr·. SpeakE!r. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! han. the rrtE!rnbetn for BUI"9E!O Bay d'EspoJr. MR. GILBERT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with thE! nd.nts'l:E!r. It lAid~~ o n F.! o f i: h e,~ c: o n c e,~ r· n s 'f. h i'1 d IAI h H n I r'E!ad Bill 14, and :i'l: is onE! of the r.U' 91.1 rne,, l'l \: ~; l~)e,~ lAICH' 0 g 0 "i 1'1 9 l: 0 lni.~ k l:! about l~his, that aga:in it: SE!Ornecl hJ bn cHI f~Xc'Hrtpl.f:! of thee! gOVf~r·nntE:!I'l ' l:: jumping into a situation before they roRl.ly krH~I~J IAihc:ti:. l::IH! ramifications were going l:o bo. II:.

Sf~E!tnC;!d i:o infJ.-ic:'L: l:.he'! potnt: system on the motorists of NeiAJfoltndlHnd ~~ri. thout ctdE!qua+·.(;! t.:.i til('! for inttnoduction. -BE!CausE:!, as I undot~stood -i.l.: lAihf:!n l::his b:i.JJ. lAJi'l.~~ corning in, irnrnedia'l:E!ly th:is SurnrnE!r tAJe t.•.J<-:~rf~ go"i.ng t:o put .i.n a po:int syste!ln. I felt it was unfair, and I am glad the minister saw the error of his ways and corrected it before the peopl(;! of NeiJJfoundland were forced to be punished by it.

I IAIOUld imaginE! it has SOfnE!thJ . ng t 0 d o lAd 1·.: h t: h e fa c l:. t h a t l h f~ In o i.~ cl system in NE:~wfoundJand :is not up to t·.h~:! sti:-lndr.tr·d i.l:. should be. Trip Canada, I think, in theJr Si:ltdy J.dst:. Yf~dt', SHi.d 1:-.hRI··. the highways system in NE!IJJfoundland WdS onJ.y r.tboui:. 80 per cent: dE!fective, so l~ hat ·i 1~. tAJou1d bf:! h f.l I'' cl I: 0 f 0 Y' C: f:! d i" J. V f'! I" ~; J. 1'1 t. 0 S a f E! driving when the road is barely saf1;! l:o c:lr· · i . lJC~ 1.1pon, ;:~ncl fat" Lh·:i.s reason, I think it was a good i~f~;;~ !; on .

T do 1:h·i.nk thP po:i.nt: syst.l;!rn should be considerE!d. I Ud nl< that 1.t should be,~ Jrnplernf~l'll.:(,~d. but 1ot:s of time and lots of warn:ing should be No . 3 7 Rl95Lj.

given for· motorists to be educated to Lhe s i. t u a 1: i. o n l: h a t i. s h a p p eq·d. n g . '.'i. m p r o v ~~ d , I s houJ d bE! put Ml~. SPFAI<ER: -·------- And as the road is Udnk l:h i. s sysU!In The hon. 1:hr,~ I'Tlf'!rnbr~i~ fo1~ Mr.,~nHh·i k . MR. FF.NWICK: Ml". ~>peo~aker, this is a very puzzl. .i.ng M'ird.si::E:11"i.<'ll Str.·d:ernonl:. [ am looldng ovEH' there at the Minister of Intergovernmental. Affairs who, on previous occasions, has put out press releases and other annoMncements that th:is po'i.nt sys l':.<,~m would I:H~ a system which would save lives.

Maybe somewhere along the line the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs could expli:dn t:o us l'lOIAJ a system that couJ.d save lives last y <;!a r is n O!AJ a pun i 1.: '.i v E! s y s t: <;! m on drivers in ·this Pr·ovinCE!. If, Mr. ~3p<,1ai<E!r, the;! cutoff::' poi.ni.: fo1~ a peo1rson losing thedr liCE!nCE! com<,1S t.oo quickly, thi'Hl mHybr:! f.o\11 aclaptton of the point system is rnon~ appr•opria I:P; i.nsl<c1dd of having, if I I"<Hall correctly, t h r e1 o s p e <~ d · i. n g l. :i. c I< r,1 I: ~; m r~ r:l n s J osing your· licence, maybe foul" is more i'lPPI"OPi":i.<:d:e.

I do not l<no1~1, I am just suggesting it. nut, Mr. Speaker, 1 am really in a qur.~ndr·y, beci'lu!><;! il: ·is ITIY understanding that many other P r o v i. n c <c1 s ·i. n Ud s c o 1.1 n t r y d o h i'IIJ 0. a point systE!HI in place, that thE! point system has been effective in locating dangerous drivers, getting them off the road, and making sure that our roads are safer , What I am say·i.ng, Mr. SpE!ai<E!I", given this statement, is it is VE!I"Y di.ffi . CIJl.L to knOIAJ WhE!i::hc.;!r the gover'I'HfiC:Hlt :is making a good movE~ or not.

Ar'H ·Hwy jusL rc:~sponding 1..19!15 May 16, 1988 Vol XL to political :i. n d J vi. d 1.1 a l. s IAJ h o it? Have they [: h C'! pI~ (,1 Vi. 0 US indicate~d this pressure do not·. IAJi-.1111'.: now told us from l::o s c:~E! tha 1'.: s l·.: 1.1 d ·i r,, ~; IJ.Jh .i. c h IAJO U 1 d rna I< e 0 U I" h :i. 9 h1.1Ji.·1 y ~; ~; i'\ f f;! i" IAJO i" 0 .:i. n C: 0 I" I"(;! Ct.? Have they found addJtional :i.nfot~tni'lt: · ion hei"O, br,)Cf.·li.ISe, qu:it.E! frankly, this looks lik(:1 anothE!I" 0 X am p.l. Cc1 0 f I: h E! h E! I" k y -- j C'!

Y' k y k "i. 1'1 cl 0 f , politics that we clre gE~tting fr·orn t h i. ~' g o 'J e r' n rn c::! n i: , 1~1 h c~ r· e i:: h 1':1 y p u 1:. j _ n a particular initiativ~' 1ikE:!, f'or· e x amp 1 c::! , ·i. f I r <;! c a 11. , IAJ"i. 1.·. h t: h l=! ATV's, when they made insurance rnanda+:or·y on l::hE~rn r.1nd t.:h<;~n J.at:r:•r pullE!d it off. This is iHlothE!l" exampl.c,1 of LIH1 sa1nE~ k·i.nd of hasty implementation of poJ.icy and then the wit:hdrawal of it later. I IA.JOUld like;! l.:O h0.'i:H' SOinE' al'lSIAJEH'C.; lat:E!r 011 about tAJhy LIJE~ clre do:i.ng tlri.s, Mt~. Spc:~db'!Y'. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr·.

Sp~1al<<;!r . MR. SPEAKER: The han . the Mj nister of F:l.she1rios . ~R. RIDEOUT: rJ!r·. ;,p8i'lkf'!('' T. dlOuld ·.i.nfonn t:hc;! House that the following staLement ·i.s n:lso I:Hdng ITii:'ldo al:. i:hi.s t.·im<,' by my coll.eo1ague, the Min:i.slEH' of Noi" l:het· ·· n Dovr~J.oprnr:!n1: (Mr' . ~~i:H'Y'C;!n), IAJho is atte!nd:ing e:1 ITieei:Jng of Lh(! 1 .. c:·l b r· ;:q do I" I nl.t"i. i: As soc .i i'll:. ·.:i. on presently being held in Hopedale. SOME HON. MEMBERS: i·lear·, IH!ar! MR. RIDfOUT: Mr.

SpeakE!r, I am p1E!i:'!SE!d to announc<,1 t:oday 'i'.:hi::~t rny d<,'part.:rnent is transferring ownership, i:·ldmi.ni.str·al: . .i.on and conl'.:r·ol of our fishing facilities barge, The Labrador I, l:o Lhc;! Li:~bn·H~or· Int..d t Association for the nominal sum of onc,1 dollar. No. 37 R19S5 -·· ..

SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. RIDEOUT: This bar·ge was acqutrc-?.d by rny departml:~nt in 1973 at a cost of $140,000 and was subsequently upgraded at thE! Marystown Shipyard at a . further cost of $200,000. This bar·ge has beE!n positioned at Smokey since 1974 for use as a floating support facility for f:ishermE!I'l purs1J"i.ng th(;! f.i.shE:!r'y aJ.ong HH-?. Labrador coast each Yt~i'lr'. nw br.H'9('! has pr'OlJ"i . d~~d factJ.ities such as washrooms, sho1.~1ers, ld-undi"Y Rnd lnob · i.Jr,~ telephones to fishermen working all C~l.ong thr,~ l..r'lbr·r.~dor· cor.~st. Mr·.

Spf:!a!UH', my dr~p.~H' l:rnfHl L hr.~~; rE!C~~nt:ly const-l~uctE:Hj a modern on .... :;hor·r,, cornplr:!X r.1'1: ~irnokey Lo jJI~ovidE~ il'lCI"E~i'.ISe'!d S(~!I"VJCeS to th~~ ,_ c:•\ b I" a cl 0 I" F :i. ~; h 0 i" y . T h r,~ l .<'l b i" ad() I" InuiL Association has requested !:hat t:hc:!y IAJOl.lld J·oJ.ke i:o oprcH'dl:c;! th:i.s bar·ge North of Nain to SL1ppor·t: ~:h~~ many 1nu:i.t/l..dbrc:\dor fishermen who wo1~k in that area. T hi. s fa c i.J·i t y wi 1.1 C\ s sis t l: h c,~ future dc-:~velopmE!nt of the char fishery and many of our other Northern fisheries.

My department, therefore, will be relocating the barge, at our expE!nse, to a mutually agr'EH~d upon location . ThE! l:ransfe'!Y' of Labrador I OIAII'lershi.p of is on I:: he l7_he undE:'rsl":.anding +:hat-: no s11b:;·icJy w:J.ll be considered if operating d i. f F J c l iJ. 1: -j e s 0 c c IH' i 11 '1-. h (! r 1.1 i: II r· 0 and that !:hE!

Prov:i.ncE:~ IAJill be g i. v r;! n 1: h o I" i g h t o F a 11 f i. r· s t . r'cc!fusa] 11 in the-:~ e->.v(:Hlt that the,~ l.abr·ador Tnwi.t A!>soci.ai: ·i.on -.'i,~; no longer interested in operating i.Hl d I or· .. i n 1: on c:h 1. o s r~ ll t h C'! f"ac:iJ.jty. the transfer of the Ll9 ~)6 May 1. 6, 19 B 8 Vol XL Labrador I will proutde neede!d support se1rvice! n a t J lJ E! f :'i. s h c-?. r rn t"! n IAJ 1·1 o IAI o r· !< remotE! Northe!rn area. of a br.1dly to the in thE! Labrador (-?.ach surnmE!r and I arn, l::her·efor·~;:~. very pleased to comply with thEd.r r~H~ues L. SOMF HON. MEMBERS: HE!ar, hear! MR.

W. CARTER: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAI<ER: The han. the f' 0 I" l'IJJi. J. l. i. n g i'l. t e . MR. ~L CARTER : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . The1"e is not too rnuch, Ml" . ~:) p r,~ a k C'! r· , 1~10 c ,,, n ~·; '-'' y i.'\ b o u l.: L: h ·.is statc-:~rnE!nl·:.

For the bE!nof:it of !·:.hE:! p!·)Opl r~ ·in the IIC:lll~;f:!, ITidyi:H'!, 1~.1ho ·do not understand thE! pUI"poscc! of t.hE:! barge and whi'll it wcts int-:ended for, for YE!ars that bar·ge acb,!d, 1 SIJflpOS0, c:\S a ho1Tiec1 aiJJi':\Y l~r'OITI l'lOIIlE! for a large number of Newfoundland inshore f"i.shermen who fish0d in the Smokey are!a and who used thE! be~rge as a support sertJ .iCE!, aga:i.n on which thE!re were a nurnbe!r of arnE!I'li.t:i.es !:hat t:hc;! foi.shE!rlnE!n IAJould avail of, such as those outljned J n 1: h~~ s t:a teme n t·: lAic~ s hr·oom~; and showers and mobile telephones, etc. M r .

S p (,~ r.~ k E:! r , :i. 1-: d :i. d p r' o v -L cl C~! a n t~SSE!ntiaJ. st~rv:ice, and I am glad 1-".o sr,~e l:hr.l"l:: 1-.hr:! dc"part-.ln,'!nl:. hc:~s nOIAJ provided, I pr'E!SUI'nE!, a bE~tt~'!l~, wor'(.~ rnoc:lf~r·n ~;e->.rlJ"i.Cf'! For· Newfoundland fishermen. It is "impol~tRnt l'lOill, f:!Spnc .. i.<:-ll.l.y u.d. Hl l : hC~! fishermen getting more mobility, b (! ·i. n g 1:\ b l r~ ·1- o ·I-_ r· a lJ ''! l g I" ec~ i~\ +.: E!

J" dis tancE:~s, and IJJ::i.th the,~ dE!p1E! 't.:ion of Uw I" C::! s o 1 1 I" c: n ''' n d t. h e~! ·:i_ r·· inabi1ity to cat.ch any sJzNtblE~ qllr:lnL:it · i.~::!s of f·i . ~;h closn l:.o l::hE! Newfoundland Coast, a large nurnb~'r No. 37 Rl9S6

of Newfoundland fishermen now tr·avel. La the Lt:ilbrador Coast. T know from my own riding in Surnmer·for·d, for· example, lds'l'. yer:H' t.ho1"e 1.1Jer·c~1, I would think, t.t•.Jon"l":.y-·fi . vr~ Ol" l~h-i.rt:y, Oi" Hk1ybc::! mol"E:1, fjsherrll<~~n who left and wc~1nt i: o I. A b r· ado I" 1:-1 n d F i s he d i:Hl d , T might say, had a vc-:!ry succc~1ssfuJ v o y ;::~ g n . So 1 b (;' l i. r~ lH~1 U1 <A t t h e PI"OvtsJoil of these-:! I1E!IAJ SE!l"vices rlOIAJ IAJi.lJ. bo d lJOY ' ':J I~JOi"i.:hiAJI·d.J.r;! E1ndc,1avour· at1d somt:.~thing that: the fi.~>hr~rrrHHl of NeiAJfOtlnc:IJ.dnd IAJi. J.l ava:il of .

Tt. is · i.mpor·L,:~nt. too, J. t:hJ.nk, th;:~l·.: while we agree that transferring ownership to the Labrador lnuit Association is another good moVE!, cert~ai.nly l:hc.;!SE! peoph1, I Uli.nk, need that kind of a facility North of Na:l.n, tJJher'E! ti'H:'!Y f.ish, T think the minister should keep an eye on it and make sure that the barge is ~Hdng USE:1d for the be!st advantagE! of thE! pe1opl.e Lo tAJhorn it :i.s I'IOIAJ bG:1ing transfE!rrEH:l.

It wou1.d be a s harnc-?. i:o s E!E! t hdt fa c-i.l. i ty tAJh :i. c h cost government, I suppose, a Lol:al of r.ll.mosl.: $500,000 OlH~r i·hr,1 yc~H~rs, j 11st.: abt~sed or not b~~·:i.ng put to proper use. So I would ur·ge the rn-i.n·i.si ·: er· l:o rnr.~!<e sur·e that it is being used properly and t·. hi:\ '1-. :i i". I i'\ 9 c:d n I IAJi. l J. ~)(.~ II!) f'!!:J r ()I' t:h~~ bc~1nE:1f:i.t of thE:'! pc,1oplc~1 for· whorn i. t i. :; J. n t: ~~ n d r~1 d . MR. SPEAKER: Or·ci~H', please! MR. W. CAIHER: Yes. We support t.h~~ SLdt~~HIC'!I'lt, Mr. Speaker. We see no problem IAJi th it. MR.

SPEA.I<Ef~ : The han . the member for Menihek . MR. FENWICK: Mr . Speaker, we sc,1(~ t·:hi.s as c::t policy on the part of thJ.s Ll957 May 1.6, 1.9H8 Vol. XI. government which we approve of, a n d U1 r.1 I~ 'i. s d ('!IJ o l. 1ri. n g rn o r c;! a n d more responsibility on the I . d b I" ad o ,~ T n 1 1 :i i.: A s s o c :i. ,., t. :i. o n a n d t h e Innu Associations, and providing ·1·.hn1n w·i Lh mo1"r:! of t.hP I"E!SOUI"C~:!S they require in order to handle t h n .i. r· OtAJI'l 1. i. lJ ,.,! s , 1:. h c;• ·i. I" Ol.•.ll'l G:1X1 s t.en c e, ·t:hei r· OL\Jn bust I'IE! s ~; .

On l:hi.s basi. ~;, tAJf:! i'\l"e qu l l::e apprecJative of this initiative. ~\In i'li"C,' hop·i.ng thr.·1·1·. :i.t. IAJ"i.ll lrli'tk<'! "i. l·.: easier for· thE! Inuit f:i s h~~ nrw n on l:ho Co<.'tS i: l·.o br;! abl f:! l"·.o pUI"S l.IC'' thedr activi liE!S qud.ng the Surnrii~H' and, by a11 ITIC'!C:·\ns, kt:!t:!p up Lhr:.• good !JJCH'i<. MR. SPEAKER : I would like at this stage to welcome ~o Lhe gallery the President of the Tourism Associat .i. on, Mr·. John Tr·c,,rnblE•Ll:. with his Executive Director Mr. Jo~=! Br'!nnc,1 t: 1:. SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!cH' , hE!ar!

Oral Questions MR. ::>PEAKER : The hon. thG:1 of 0 p jj o !; · i L ·.i. on . ~~~.~I: LL.§ : Mr. SpE:1aker, I have a qtH:'stton fo1" i:hr'! hon. ·l.hn Pl"r,' I ' TI:'i.f~i". flea;"-Lng -L n mind the comments over the last f ~~bl d r:-1 y ~; of PI" f~ rrri r:! r· P l'! 1·.: c;! r· son i'l bout his being pr'E!parE!d l:o considE!I~ drnc~1nd1nonts l::o th~=· M~'!E:!Ch Lake Accord, and thE! previous comments of Pr'r-:!tn.iE:!Y' Mcl<c-?.nna. ·in f\lr:~w Brunswick, and PrE!rniE!r Filrnon and Mr· s . CiH' s l~r.u . r s i.n Ma ni t:oba, IAJOU ld the PrE!ITil.E!r now agrE!E! to cons:i.de1n amendments in Lhis House?

Would he consider amendments from here? MR. SPEAKER : No. 3 7 R195'7

ThE:1 han . the Premier. PREMIER PfCKFORD: No, Mr. SpE:1ak(H', absoJ.ul::,~J.y nol. We have no intention as a goVE!r'nmcHH:. ~'lie;! signc:!d r.1 dl:'!c\1 IJ.li.t:h the other pr·ouinCE!S and with the fc-:ldHr··al goV E!r' nmen 1:: , that de:H-\l had certain checks and balanCE!S in it and t•Jas agrE!E!d to on that-: basi.s. Any changE! wouJ.d, thereforE:1, upSE!t t h e w h o 1 e a g r e C:Hn C:Hl t f r· o rn o u r p o J. n t. of view and from a lot of other pc,wple 1 s po""i.nt.:!; of u:i.c-:11.1..1, othC:H' provinces and so on. We signed a cl C:1 a l. . When T s ·i. r~ n a dE~ H l., Mr .

Speakr:,~r, that is the deal. MR. SIMMS : HE:~•H', l·w;'\r! A lnc11'1 of h'"i.s IAJOi"d . fRFMIFR PECKrORn: Ml"~~. Cetl"g"l:a:iJ"s, Pl"r;!rn:l~:~r· PE:1tc,1rson r:Hld Pr·r,~nrir'!l'' Mc:<r~nni'\, 1.\Ji.i:hsl:dn<J"i.ng, we haVC:1 a dc-:1al . If :in Fact thc-:1rC:1 IAHH' C:! to br,1 i:Hl y c I'HH1g (o! s l: hr.1l: IAJO 11l.d ruerll'l go:ing back to thE:1 table agcdn , b0.cr.wsr ,1 a l.o 1:: of prou·i.ncAs and J.eaders agreed to that deal based 11pon cc;!ri:.d"in balances thdt IJ.Jere built into thE:1 system.

For exampl.E:1, from our· po-Lnt: of u-Lc,11J.J, not: only Li.Jas it important to see that Qu,~b~::~c JAJa s iH1 "i.nt.egr·al. part. of thE! Constitution of Canada, but JAJe Li.Jerc,~ ablc,1 to acCE!SS, as f:il result of thE! negotiat:i.ons, futher d :i. s c us s ions r· E! 1 at c,H~ t: o s h a r· e d jurisdiction in the fishery. P r· E:1 rrri. c-:1 r· M c K '~ n n a :i s a g iii .i. n s t 1.: h .:~ t: completely, Newfoundland having mew E! say o u ('! r o 1.1 r· l. a r· g e s 1: j ndus Lr·y. ThE! IAJho1co1 agrBE!ment IAJOI.I J.d bf:! Opt;! I'Wd Up •:1 nd lAIC;!

IJ.JOI.I J.d havE>. to go back to the tablc,1 and it WOtjl.d l:elko yo;u·~; t:o p1.11". anyth:ing t:oget.: hE!l" . I th"i.nk this ·is i'l lH'!I"Y ·"i.lllf>OI"l ·. r:·1nl" po""i.nl-.. Ti". ·i. :; not a qu es tion of safeguarding, H l. t hough :, 0111r~ , n U : h rH' N.:·H: -i. v C'! gr·oups or· IJ.JOrnc~ n 1 s g1noups, bco~J.ieuc,1 1_1.958 Md y l(j I 19 B 8 Vol XI. that they are somehow nouJ at groRl:Br r ""i. sk than they were bE:1fore, even though a lot of J.egaJ. C'!Xpc-n·l.s SF.IY UH~Y c~r'H nol: . It is not a question of that. That is n o L. l": h c-:1 q 1.1 E! s t·.

J o n . l l:: j. s r; CJUE!Stion that thE! whoJ.e agr E!E!rnliHll will unravel be caus e within the negotiating process certa i n gives and takes were made to variou s prouinCE!S to gE!t the agr'E!efnE!nt WE! hc1ve now, and you IAJoul.d haut'! to go right back to square one if in fact the agreement was opened. No, Mr . . SpeakE!r, IAJE! haVE! r:·l.bsol.tt+:e:1l.IJ no ··ini··t:!n+.:·ion of rnak .ing the slightE!St arnc:!ndrnE!n'l:: .. to t:he M c,1 o c h I..:, k E:1 A c c o I" d . T t. 1Ait1 s an agrE:1ernent ·that I E!nterE!d into on ~H:!I·H~ 1. r () F t h P. c; 0 u ('!

I" n In E:11"1 t: 0 f Nc:11AJfoundland with thE! fuJ.J. suppor·t of rny Cr'1b ·i nr-~ · 1· c:o:J.l' '!dguos. We support i t whoJ.eheartedJ.y and we 1Ak1 n I: 1: o s o e ·i 1: p d ~; s r:! d ··i n t·.lri. s House as quickly as possible. MR. SIMMS : A lfliH1 o f h"i.s tJJor·d. MR . W. CARTER : Mr . Speaker·. MR. SPEAKER : The hon. for· TwiJ.lingate. MR. FENWICK: A po:i.nt of order·, Mr. Spc~aker . MR. SPEAKER : A point of ordE!r, thE! hon . the member for Mon i hek. MR. FENWICK : I t r E:~ f E! r s t o t h e p r· e u i o u s q u e s t :i. o n i.'lskr~d.

Ji: ·i. ~ ; my t.lndnrs ·l-.andtng i.n oral Question Period, under Rule :3 ri 9 i. n fl e ~ ll r: h c,~ s n c,1 , ~'> e c 1·: ··.i. o n l 2 , 11 Questi.ons shot~ld not anL:ici .patE! i:.t d o b •:·1 ·! : e " r: h r ~ d 11l r,' d ·f o r• t: h f'! d i:'l'J , b l.l t should be reserved for th e dr:d:"J<:~-!:n . 11 :) in c'~ UJ"i. s "i.s on Order Paper and scheduJ.ed for No . 3 7 l:: h(~ t: h :i. s

afternoon, I would suggest that that question was out of order. I allowE:~d the PreHnier to answE:~r, but I !Alas afr·a.id ·HHH'C;! tAJOtJld b~~ a supplementary so I thought it was d p p r· o p r -L d ·1: ~=! 1:. o r· ,., ·i s e i ·. h ;:~ L p o :i. n t of order at thJs time. PRFMIFR PECKFORD : To t:h,:\1·. · po-i.n ·l: of or·dr-~,n . Ml~. !:lPFAKf.r~: To ·l hdt po:i n L of ord~~r, the hon . 1-. h r,~ P In (~ l'rl"i. f'! I" , PRFMJER PECKFORD: 0 n ·1: he s u r f <:\ c f'! J t l o o k !) a s 'i. f i: hr,~ member for Menihek has a good po i.n t: . MR. WELLS: Mr. SpeakE:H'. MR.

SPEAKER : To t:hal po:i.nt. of or·der·, l:hf~ hon. the LE!ade!r of the Opposition. MR. WELLS: I disagree with the han. member for Menehik. Mr. Speaker, the question was directed at developments today. The Premier has spoken, but whether or not they will allow that debate is <HI 0 UH~ r q II (~ s t i. () 11 q 1.1 ·i. 1'. P. '" p ·~H' 1'. r r· 0 m this debr.l'l .H in the House. Jt has noi:hi .ng t:o do w:i.l:h i.1:. Ml~. SPEAKFR : To that po i nt of ordfH', to cons ·i.c:l 1,~i" tl'ia l.: Hla t tr'!Y' rule on it tomorrow. T a111 go:i ng and I t~J:i.l.l. The hon . · member· fOI" TLid. J. J.t ngt'\ Lf:! . MR. W.

CAinFI~: Mr·. SpE:~ai<N·, my question would havf~ gonE:~ t.:o l::h~=! Mi.ni.stf:!ln of FinanCE! (Ml". Windsor·), but in his ctbsence 1 direct it to the Minister of Fisheries (Mr. Rideout). It concerns the problem L1959 May 16, 1988 Vol XL being E!ncountered in St. LawrenCE! tAJ:i. t h r· e s p f:1 c t·: 1: o t·. I·H~ J r· f is h p 1 ant up t .her·e. A de!lE:~gation carnE! to S l:. . J o h n 1 s las 1:. IAI c,1 E:! k , and I believe mE:~t ,,~Jith the Mjnister and thE! mf~rnbol" for· tl·1c-:! d'.'i.stt" i.e 1". and the Minister of Finance. I wonder r:;:~n Lhr'! lfl.intstr~r i:GJ.l l.:hl=!

HousE• and thE! pE:wplE! of St. LatAJr'E!rlCf'' IAJhi'li: p'l~ln!; dOE!S hf~ hr:\Vfc1 for• l·:he . re-opening of ~hat fish plant? MR. SPFAKER: Thr-~ hon. UH'! Mi.n:i str;!l" of F -i.si'HH'iE'!S. MR. RIDFOUT: M r· . s p ~~ r:·l kc;'ln ' 1.: h ('! h () n . g (;!i'l t 1. (;HTkHl i. s corr·ect. First of al.l., let TTIE! go br.\Ck a J'itl::J.E! b:i.t fut"l :: her· than just thE! last day or· two of last tAJ(H~k. As cl tnc\tt.<;!r' of fact, my colleagUE!, thE! Mi n:istE!r of CiH'E·~11" Oo v E:<l o prrHHll ( Mr· . Mat 1: h c,~tAJS) , 1:: he member for LaPoiJ.e (Mr.

Mi tchE!l1), the,• MP for· !":.hE! ar'C'!i.'l, MI"S. ·ring and a number of her lawyers, a c c o u n t a n t s <" n d o t h e r· (,~ ITI p 1 o y o E! s , rnet at Mrs. Ting 1 s rE!qLH~st of ttAJo o r t. h r· e r-~ '"'JC,H:' k s <:~ g o l o a n a l y z c;! t: h E• pre! sent financial si tuati .on of her tA.Ihol.f~ opr-:!Y'i.·\Lion, not only thE! ~3t. Lawrence opE! ration, but Point aux llasques and Rose IJJ.r.\ncl·w i:lS IAIEd.l. Go 'J (:! r•n1 n c;! n 1: i !; :i. n 1·. h f~ p r· o c f:! s s of considE!r:i ng a financ:i.al r·~·c:pH!S t.·. fr·orn Mr·!;.

T"i.ng t:hr:·li: hopwF11lly IAJ:i.l.l addrc-:1ss somf~ of hc,1r pr·oblE!ITIS . In 'i:hr,~ con l':r~x i: of ~L. U~t~II"C'!I'lCC'!, gover·nrm~nt authoriz~~cl thE! M:in:i.s l.:er· of i-:i.i'liHlC!,• dnd 111y c:oJ.Jc,~ ,~gt.JP., l.:he M:i.n:i.st.er· of Ca'r·eer D~1VE<ioprnE!I'll: and Ad,Jancr'!d ~)·[·11dir:!S, ·l:o lnef:!l:. IAI..i.l:.h Mrs. Ting and her officials on Fr .. idr:·\1) p;:~~;L.

ThE~IJ did. l understand that some further ..-i.nfol"mal:i.on hd~> bf:!f~n I"C;!Gitlestc;•d fr·orn her accountants, r.wcl hopE!fuJ.l.y l.:hat 'LnFor·rnat "i.on tAJ:il.l bE! forthcoming today, so that over Lhe nc~x'c dHy or· LLIJO lAIC;! can addr·E!SS a financial pac ·kage that tALi.11 posi.tivf~ly :i.mpacl :: on t:hc;! St.. No. 37 R1959

1.. diAJr en c P. o fl P. r· (-l i: i. on . MR. W. CARTFR: A ~·upplernc.,ntar·y, Ml". Speakc,~r· . MR. SPEAKF.R: A supplc.;liTHHltary, t:1·1e rn~Hn~HH' for TIAii.l. J. J. n g a t.r,1 . hon. t11L__~. CARTF.R: Mr. Speaker·~- the minister in his reply made reference to Mrs. Ting 1 s plants in Por·t aux Basques and I believe Rose Blanche. I lAJonder can hE! te!ll the House a1"e these plants ln similar trouble? Wi.ll thE:1Y be permitted to operatE! t. h .i s y ~~ a r , o r lAd 1.1 1': h C.;! y ~H:! f <H :i. n g Lhe samE! f<:lte as ·the St. LawrE!nce plant? e'IJL ... JU.QJ .. 9.9.I : Mr . ~3pC"!a bH' . Mf~ .

SPEAI<F!? : ThP ~1on. tl·1e M:in:i.stE~I" of F:ishE:1r'iE~s . MR. RJDEOlJT: Mr. Spc->.al<er·, the fj nanc:i.al n1qUc.;lst f1···om Ml"S. T·i.ng i.s dtl all· encompassing one. It wQuld :i. n c J: 1 1 d r;> f i. n r:-t n c -L a 1. a s s i. ~• 1: a n c o , .. i. f governmc->.nt . approves it, to all of her o p EH' a 1:. .i. on s , E 1. do r· <:t do S c->. a foods as we] J <:ts the St. Lawrence opc;!r'<:•'t. ion. IH thE! moHH,Hlt: I of coursE~, th~~ hon. gentlE•man IAJ'.ilJ. bE! aware that Port aux Basques and Rose Blanche haVE:1 moved beyond the Winter fishery stage and are presentl~ not operatjng.

The :i n s h o r· 1:1 f .i. s h E~ r· y ·.i. s a b o u 1.: t. o b E! g :.i. n in s ·t. Lawrt:HlCE!, so that problem, IJ.Jh.il.e I do no-t. 1 .. 11ant l::o say rnor·E~ pressing, is morE! immE!diate in thE:1 sc,1nsc,1 l~hal ~31~. LaiJ.Jr·encE:! .J.!> abou-1.: r· e ad y to o p C:HI . The other difficulties at Rose Bl.anchC:! r:·,nd POl"i:. '-'111X Aasqtl1 ,1!) i'\Y'f:! be:ing addJ"c->.ssc;!d as petr·t of the sa1ne pdckr:-tge. AI'. l:hn lllOiflC,1nt thosr:! operations are not operatJng but 1 •. 1960 Mr:-1y 1.6 1 191313 Vol XI.. ~Jt .

L. r.\l~lr' on c 0. · n r;!f~ d ~; 1·: o k n 01~1 o () <~ r· the next few days whether they are go·i.ng to bo r:•,ble i·.o op~:!i"i''\:.(,1. MR. W. CAIHER : A supplE=unr,1ni:i'1ry I Mr. SpE~al<c;!r . MR. SPEAI<ER: A final supplementary . MR. W. CARTER: M r . S p e a k EH' I I 1: a I< c->. i. t t: h <'! n f r· o rn thE! mtnj ster 1 s reply that: the 200 or 300 pE~opl.C'! 1~.1ho t•JouJ.d nor·rna11y be employed in that pJ.ant, pJ.us thE! f:ishE!riTlE!n "i.i:. I.~Ji.1l. SCO!Y'Vt'~ can pretty well take it for granted Lhi:t t t-: he plant. IAJi.l.l. bf:1 ope ni nq up certainly in time for thE! fishJng Sf~r.,son.

Do T 1':<:-tk(:! ·i.l·: Lo be correct that the plant will be openi.ng up soon? MR. RIDEOUT: M ... I • Mf~. !:>PFAI<FR: Thn hon . i:hr,1 M · i . n "i. st ·.f~t· or Fi.shE'!I".ies. MR. RIDEOUT: Well, Mr·. SpeakE!r, I arn not sl.ll"E! 1". h .:1 L l~lf~ r: ;:~ n d f;! F -i. n ·i l: n ly s .-~ y I·· hell:. you can take it for granted. What T can rf~pr,H·'t Lo t:he hon. gentlC'!Ifl<;ln is that we arE! hopE!ful bE~ftH'E! thE! d<.·'Y ts I OlJE'!I" Mrs.

Ting and hE!r' pr·inc:ipals will be ablE! to pr·ovidE~ t:ho goVE!r·nrnenL ~~,·i.th sornE! financ :iml information that we need in or·dE!r to bE! able'! to rnai<E! an :intC'!lJ.·.iqE!nt and responsible decjs:ion on her request. We cannot: be fiscally irrE!SponsiblE! 1 of courSE!, t:h<~t u.Jotll.d not: bE=! r· :ighl~.

So !AlE! a l"e hoping that we will have that: toddy ;:·,nd i.f IAJr::! do gc;!+.: -i.t and IAII:• are satisfied with the information 1:. h a i: is For· 1.: h co m·i. n g , t. h c;! n government has already authorized l'.he M'in:i. ~;t:f'!r' of F " i.n<:-1ncc'!~ l::he M:in:istE!r of F:lsher'iE~s, and t:he M·i. n:is l:fH' oF [)c-wr,1J.oplflerd· and Tourism (Mr·. Ban'c->.tt) t.o 1nespond No . J 7 Rl960

in an appropriate manner to the r·equE:~st.. MR. KELLAND: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: T~w hon. the ITHi!!ITibE:H' fo1n Naskaup"i . MR. KF.I..I.nND: T h cHI k y () u ' Mr . s p eo~ a k eo~ r . T. IAJO 1.1 J. d J --j_ k 0 l: 0 cJ "'i. I"('! C '1-. i'l Cj 1.1 (! S 1: ·i_ 0 rl t:o th~= ! PI"E:~nriE!J". I e~sk thE!

Pr'E!Hr:ie-:'!J" ce)l.ll,d h1;! co1Jl.d l".ol.·l~ l . hr,~ llow;n i ·f g o v <-~ r· n rn (! n t h d s g :1 v E~ n o J" u n d <:~ r t a k <-:'! n 1:0 g"i.tJe c:HlY ri.JI" l".htH' l.or:~n g u a r· ant~~ co~ ~; or· a n y o t. hE:' I" f :i nan c :i a 1 ;:~s s · i . ~;t anr:r: ! to t:hr~ SpY'IJI'lg p, .. ojr,~r:l ·. s:inc<-:'! tl'w $2 m:ill"ion loan c:JIJc:\lndl"ll::OC'! rOI" OpE:!I"i:'li· .J.ng fl ft-;!IA) IAJf:H'! k S ag 0? MR. SPF::AKFI~ : T h E~ h o n . t. h E! P r· E:~ rrd. e r· . PREMIER PECKFORD: ---·-No, Mr·. Speaker. MR. KELLAND: Mr. Speaker, a supplementary. MR.

SPEAKER: A supp l t~tn<Hltary, t-.he hon . th e member for Naskaupi. MR. KFL.LAND: T h (:~ $ l 06 , 000 1:: ht'l i·. ·i. !; br:!·i ng C lr:~ i. rnro~d by TOI"S Cove;! fxcavating, :is that. be'!:"i.ng d-:i. Splli ··.rc!d by i·.ho r:o1np<.~ny or· i 5 :i 1:· s :i m p J y b e->. c a u s e-:'! 1:. h E:~ c o rn p a n y pI" 0 b db -1 y d 0 e:~ S J'1 0 1·. h a IJ Co~ !; 1.1 f r -j_ C :i. t:! n 1·. fund~; to n1eo~r::'t~ 1". h:i s obl-.i.gc~tion? MR. SPF: AKFI~ : ThE! hon . t.hE:~ Pr·c;!ITI:i er. PREMifR PECKFORD: No , n o . T h E:! r· C:! - ~ . s a cl J s p 1.1 t e o n between Mr.

Sprung and the Tors Co v eo~ Corn p d n y o tJ E:! r d IAJ r· i. t. t E:! n 1 e->. g r:\ 1 agr·eE!ment between Lhe two, and it h a S '1-.·. 0 b <-!! .i. 1'1 t E! Y' FH' c;d: f~ d , T. g U E! S S , b y Ll961 May 16, 1988 Vol XL thE! courts. As I understand :it, J.t is Ls a "in lAir' "i. t: t E:~ n d :ispute . MR. KELLAND: Mr. SpE!ai<E!r . MR. SPEAKER: t hat. A final supplementary, i: h f'! lllf:~ rnb (~In f ()I" Ni:\ s kr.\IJ p ··i . . MR.

I<FI...LAND: l:he hon . ~> r)~-----r:;--1-i(d ·. 1-.h,:·\ L i·hr=!y do n o !-. l'li:-\IH ! s u f fi ci ent fund s, s "in ce y o ~ ar e :i:nd:i. ci:\1-.·i.n'::j 'i: hr:1i: l ·. hr ~ y do hi:\t.J E'! ft.1nds. J !AI 0 I J l. d 1. -j_ k H I:

l) H ~ ; k 1: h r;! P I'"• E~ In i. E! r• ·i. ~;; construction of the facility now c o rn pl. E:' '1.: r::! ? T F .i. L ·i s no 1:. , h o IAI rn u c h r E! rna i n s ? For· t 11 a t IAJ hi c h ,~ E! m a :i. n s , do(~ !> the coropr:HlY hr:·\Vf'! E'!l'lOuqh Fund s t n pl.c:~ c c,~ l:o c o1nplr:~ l·e,, I.: hE! job? MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the:' PrE!rnicH'. PREMIER PECKFORD: T cannot g.i.ve thflt off the->. top of my head. It must bE! close to 9B p r::~ r' c E:~ n t: o r 9 9 p c,~ r· c c;! n t c o rn p l E! t e'l , -.1. f not 100 percent cornplEd:E! at th"is poi.nl":. i.n 'L:.irne->..

T haVE! not got an update as of today, but I l<noiAJ c o n s t r· u c t :i. o n ·i, s 9 ~i p E'! r· c E! n t p 1. u s compl e te at th"is ~oint. The OfHcH'i:·\i.."i. on - j ~ ; l'lOIAJ IAWlJ. Up i~l'ld running. I clo not. knou.J hoto~J rnany r'\1''('! ())') )"l.ghl·. )')()lA) -:i.n OFJOI"i'\1-:.J.OnS, but there mu s t 110-120 if not more pnop] e h"i.1"r~d.

As a rn;:~ttc,~r of fact . , thr::~y got :i.n+:.o d flr ' 0 b l ('!Ill l. 1:\ ~; [- IAH~ (~ k i:'ll'l d 1:: hE! pr·oblco~m IAJas Lhat they d:i.d not havr:~ r,~ no11qh pr-~opl.o h"i.I"C;!d to l.:akP cal"<'! of th e increased production that i. s o c c 1.1 r· r· -j_ n g o 1.1 +: 1:" h ('! r· E! • Production is incrE!astng at a l~ r·em~~ndous r·,~i.:c-:'!, way above,~ what anybody cwtic :i.patE!d in thE! figure s tha+:. IAif'!r'e done at l~h('! bE!g i. nn.ing, No. 37 Rl961

cHid i'.:hi;li: :i.S IAihy IAH~ C:Ol~l.d do Olli" ~1xpor·t a J i t.tJ e ~d t earLier than lAID t:l·Jollghl : IliA c:cwl.d it. So i.L ·i!; somewhere around 9~ percent or 11101"0. COIIIpl.(~{:c,1d. MR . SPEAI<FR : The~ hon. the;! me~rnbe1" for· ME:1n:HlE!k. MR. fF.NWICI<: Thdnk yc)l.l, Ml". SFH~al<er . My cpH:1stions ar·e for· the Mi.rdster of Justice (Ms. Verge) and they have to do .udth the election s t. at i s U. c s r· e port r· e h1 a s EH~ by UH:1 Chief Electoral Officer for 1987.

I n h 'i. s p r· c,1 fa c C'! t o t h c,1 r· c~ p o t' t h c;! makes a number of observatjons, most of which are by ways of cr :iticisms of thE! 1~o1ay in which elections are held under the current election legislation and f.:l'w E 1 (;! c l: tH' s U. s 1: (~ s p f~ c.i. i'l 1 1 y . My question to t he minister is L hi s : G :i. 11 1'! n '1: h i'l i: 1.: h r;! Chi. C'! F r.:J c,1 ctoral Off:i c E!r points out that () v (~In 2 0 p (,H' c fHl l: h i.·H:J L 0 s IAIO r· 11 :i. n i. n the~ E~JEH:t:ions held in St. John's F;:-~.si·.

Ex'l:r-:!r'n i:·\nd Wi.nc:l!;oln·-Rur:hNns, and over 30 percent had to be SIAior·n :in :in Sl:. John's Fas 1: :i.n +:h'~ pr·(:!v :i.ous one, 1~od 11 t.hE:1 rnin:istE:1r i'\ S S I I r' E! II S ·I: h i~ l: l: h (:! f;! I'll II II C;! Y' c\ 1:: -.i. 0 1'1 1.1.1hj ch has I:HHHl budgeU~d for will b 0 1.1 n d (;! t. ;:~I<(; ! n i.lnrrH~ d -L r;l 1:·. (~ l.y I ~· 0 1: h i'l i:. :if i:Ht eJection is called th:i s yE:1ar· th<'! l.i.s l:s, 1.~1~dch I)Jer'E:1 cJ.~~arJ.y 011 t of dat.E:1 back :in 1986-1987, will be br·ought up to d<:ti:(~ pr·'i.or· l·:o any elecU .on cr.lll? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Min'i.ster of Justtco .

MS VE~GE: Mr. Speaker, I have already ass1n·ed hon. rrJE:1mber·s, and the general public through the news lfiE!di.d, that : l·:ho DepHr'l:.mf:!nt oF Just.:ic<:1, th1nough t.hE! Ch:ief E J. <:1 c l: or d 1 0 f F t c <:1 r· , I~Ji. l.l. c: a I" I" y o 11 L I. l 962 Ma.y 16, 1988 Vol XL a Pr·rH)i.nce ·IAri.de r:lnumer·r.,tJ.on electors this year. In or '1':. h (:1 r>;t:i .rnai ·.c,1S of 1·:hn I)C;!flrH'i:TilOI'l-1: of Justice, which WE! hav<,1 all bE!C:HI d 0. ""l. -i. n g IAI i. 1·. h , l: h r~ I" f:! 'i. s provision of about $600,000 for thi'\1·. flllr ' po:;n.

Thr!il: 1~o1tl . 'l. bH SflE!nl:: in this fiscal year so we will hr:-JI)U a colnpl.r-:!·l··.r:!, llp .. -·\".o .... cJal:.E:! vol:.(:!J"!; list in advance of the rlE!xt r~l.c,1c L-i.on. MR. FENWICI< : A s u p p J. e rn e n t:. c:t r y , M r· . S p e a I< (;! r . MR. SPEAKER: A SUFJplementary, the han. member for Menihek. MR. FENWICK: The original question asked thai:. l~oJo1d.d occ1.1r . · MaybH she giVE! an ansiAIE!r to that: when r~\ n S IAHc!

I" S i·.: h j, S S 1.1 p p J. (;! lnf! 1'1 i:. r'll" y . the when can she The Chief Electoral Officer also -L n d i. c a L f'! d ·i. n t h o p r· f:! fa c f~ a 1'1 um I:HH' of ar·eas whr::'rE! our· l(~gislation i !>

I) r:! In y 111(, ~ i:·l k I i: h 0 s e h i'l I) "L n g l: 0 d () IAI"i. l'. h MR. SPEAKER: Or•rJ,~r. pl.er.lsE?.! MR. FENWICK: My question to the minister is l.. h '.i. s : C o n s -i. d (i! r· "i. n ·g i.·. h a t. t. h c,1 C h -i. C'! f Electoral Offi c E!r has i ndi cat E!d t.hl"~1e or· foul" sc,1ctions of legislation which are very weal<, r e q u J. r· ·i. n g d 1.~1 h o 1.

E~ a b u n d a n c Cc! of extra poJls all across the c o u n t r· y , .d e n y '.i n g , q u '.i l: c;! f r· cHl k 1 y , the military the right t:o vote t~lht;!l'l thE!IJ l. 'i.vc,1 -Ln Gande;!r' and so on, will the minister gJ.ve! us some ~ssur~ncH that there will be repairs to this EJ.E:!ctions Act prior to this sess-Lon end i ng, I would assurnE!, in the nE!Xt fiVE! or· S :i. X I1H~ ~:! k S ? MR. SPE()KER : No . 3 7 R1962

The hon. the Minister'of Justice . MS VERGE: Mr. SpeakE!r, I have answered s 'i rn "i. 1 a t' q u e s t::i. o n s p o s E! d b y t h e membE:H' for Me:~nihE!k befor'E:~. I have said that the government, as R whole, is considering various r'C-:!COimnc,HJdat.i .ons, i.nclud -i.ng thE! onE:~ from the Comrni tte:~e chaired by thE! ITII:'!Irlbt:H' For' ~3L. John 1 s N01nlh for new elections legislation. When the government, as a whole, ~s pr·e~!pared t:.o move,~ wit:.h a nmu bill, :i. L I~J 'i. l.l. br'! pr· ,: ~sr,~nl : c~ !d l'.o i".ht=! House.

We:1 iH'e'! t:i"y:i.ng to appr·oach Lh ·i s i:i'\S k "i.n d colnpl"r,1hr,1n~;-i tJf~ l~k'Y and to ~tudy the experience of 0 1: hI'! r j I I ( ' "i. :; cJ :i. C J: i. 0 1'1 !) r'l /'1 d i ncol"pOI"ate the,~ best eJections ll~g-i.sl.r'\1:. - i.on Fr~al:llr·P.S ore ol·.hP-1" jurisdJct:ions in a new act For our Pl"OtJinco. MR . . FFN~HCI< : A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKFf~: A f-i.nal. Sl~ppl.c-:!rnt~nt.iH'Y, the hon . the member for Menihek. MR. FENWICK : Mr . Speakc-:!r, s arne an StAler qu~:!st.:i.on . t keep on getting the every time I ask the SOME HON.

MEMBERS : -------you -I< E! e p as king thE! sa rn E! que s t ion . MR. FENWT.CK: It is c]e~ar that tAH,~ have a VE!ry poor piece of l.egisl.at "i. on which dEHJ'.ies pc,wple tht:~ l":ight:. to vote. fJJy qiJOS l:'i.on ·l:o l·:he lfl'i.n:i Sl:rH' 'i.~; t h:is: W:iJ.J. you assurE~ us ·t:ha ·l tAH~ ~~ri.ll. hr:·WI'! r:-l nt:!IAJ El.nr:i·.·i.on!; ~c:l: bE~for·e th:is !>e-:!ss:l.on of the f. 0 9 i. S l. i:l (:II(' f:! f ~i. rl -i_ S h (-:~ ~) 'i. 1'1 J II 1'1 (~? Y H ~; o I" no ! MR. SPfAI<FR : The hon. l:ho rJJ ·i.n-isl :c;!r' of JII SL.i.co . ... , .. L1963 May 16, 1.988 Vol XI_ MS lJF.RGF.: No. Mr.

SpeakE!r, I haVE! said that a rll.l rn be r of 1: t rn E! s . MR. BAKER: Mr. Speaker·. MR. SPEAKER: rhe hon. I:: hE~ rnE~InbE!r' for Cander. MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr . Speaker .

I lAI<'.l s very in t: ere~! s 1·: t:~ d in 1'.. he P r' c,~ 111 i. n r' 1 s !> t ,~ i'. r,~ lflf" n t t-. o d ,:,, y and , -L n lJght of t.:hE! fact. l:hwl :: hE ~ ha s in l:ho pd~d: s<•d.d t hr:\L i:-.1-lf:! ~3pr· unq gJ"(:~t:~nhOUSE:~ IAIOUJ.cJ !>Upp]y 1\Jf~IAlfOIJI' ldlr:olJ'ld l'l!:' Od ~; dl'ld i·: i'lfHl SUpply needs alJ. ovE~r No1"-Lh ArnEH'i.ca, l:al!dng ·Ln 'l.: r,~J''IIIS 017 f "i Fi·.y l'flOI"I'! units, I would like to ask t he P r· r~ rn "i. r;! ,~ ·i. f, s I'! c ~ ·i. n g h (~ h d s announced one shipment, he would F·i. ll u~; -in on Si'1ll:!s .in Newfoundland during t:he last c o 1.1 p l. r-~ o f rn o n 1:. h s , a . g E! n ( ~ r· a 1 comment on how th~ sales have been going because T assume the Newfoundland market by now must b e sa I:IJrat: E!d befor'E:!

I~H,~ t.•.Joul.d s t.art shipping out. So would t:he Prem-Ler makE! a cotnHH->.nt on l ~ ht~t. ple!ase? MR. SPEAI<ER: The hon . t:he PrE!Ini( '!r . PREMIER PECKFORD: I cdn only just bE!E!n ar'OIJnd l·.hf'! !>dy 1-:hr::~t: l·:hc;! s a l l:!S hdVC~ ! absolutely outstanding P l" o 'J J n r: e . ~) OME HOl\J . Mf::MRERS : H E!iH' , h ~::~ ar· ! PREMIER PFCJ<FORD: A b s 0 l. 1.1 I: o l. y o t I i ~ ; l:i:·Hl d i. n 9 ! To preface what I am go:i.ng to s ay n (!

X I: , T c o II 1. d s 1.: t:Hl d I· 0 b ~:· cor-r-c-:~ct.E!d, but I can say th:i .s IA!'.i lh SOIIIH d(~gi"HC! oF CHI" 'i-.: C:·1"i.nl ·: y, r:·1l.t.hough I haVE! not.: S(!E!n thE! nurnbE!r No. 37 Rl963

spedficalJy in' the last IJ.Jeek or so, btlt .. MR. W. CARlTR : Why al"t-:~ you not !:mil :ing? PRFMTER PECKFORD: Wr;! 1~r.ill Sllr'i.l~~ i.'tll. i·.hr~ t~Ji'IY to i".hr;! bank OV~H' t'hC"! I'H:'!X't. YC::~iH' and cl h H l. f , I i: f:! ll y o 11 , i'l n d I~H·~ IAI'.i 11. :.r11:iJ e aJ 1 the~ way to the baJ.lot box ,,,s IAJE!l. l.. Bu1:, Mr. Spr~i:tl<f'!r, a Jot of pc~op1P ar·c~ go:i.ng to eat an awful. lot of CLICLIHJbr;!r'S l.:o swdllot~J l:his one.

W c,'! iii r e c l. o s E:! t o h a v i. n g s o l d i. n 1:: h e Nr:'t..ufoundland market to datE!, stnce January, more cucumbers to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians than was ever done before in a whole year . In other words, in lc;!sS than f i.vr:1 1nont:hs, ~~~~~ have;! soJd more cucumbers in the Nc,'!tAJfoundl.and rncH'kE! t. than IAJas trctditionally sold in a whole year ln Newfoundlctnd. We ctro gelling cJ osc,1 to l:. hat. What t..ue have done "i. s c r·r:~ ai·: r;!d ct n r,'!IAJ HlcH'i<r,!'l·., expanding market. So , M r .

S p r~ al< tH' , Uri n g !> <:·1 r r:! g o i. n 9 ve1·· y, Vf:'!I''Y ttJeJ J., and whethel" the-:'! rntH' !< C:! r·. ·i. !; sa l: 11 r' <Yl -1: o d ·i n 1\lc-'!tAJfotHldland yet or not is a ~~ood cp1w;·l:'i .on. I do not·. kno1~1. T ~;t. · iU. L h '.i nl< t: h i~A t t: hE! I" e t s rno r· c,'! that can br,'! sold hc,n·r,'!. Pr·odtJcl:i .on 1.~; happening at such cl rapid rate out UH;! r c,'! . We h ;:·w e I·H~ d s o II If~ hydroponic lighting experts from ;u· o 1.1 nd 1-:.I·H~ 1~10 r J. d o 1.1 1:. t·. hE! r f'!, I!Jh o had 'l:o stay extr·a days to take::1 a l. o o I< at.

IAI hat. i_ s 9 o .i. n g on out 1:. h c;! r e because they cannot believe it, U1 r:1 sa me,'! t.vi:l y as h on . rnc-:'!rni:H:H' s cannot believe it. MR. SIMMS: 0 r· tAri l. J. no i: . PREMTER PF.CKFORO : You kn~itis 1 :ike::' Ne::'I..I.J·t.on, 1..uhE!n L 1.96ll· May l o , 1. 91l n Vol XI . the apple hit on his ~wad and hE! c;,"llll,'! liP IAJi.-l'.h grr:ttri.i:y, and Copernicus and Galileo and a f~:H..u rrl 0 In f~ I s () rn 0. 0 f' lA I h (l I'll q 0 1·.: ex-communicated and all the rest of ·i.·l· . J 91.1f:1S !; I~Jtc'! i:H't:! ·i.n ·l·:o thl;! same kind of thing in 1988. Thel"e dl"f:! a "lol: O(~ pt"'!Oplt;!

I~JhO IAJ"i.J.J l'lOt. belic,'!VE:'!, but thE! doubt.c;!I"S ar·c;1 boC:OIIJ'i.ng l.I:!SS r:H1d Lhe lrldl"i<C'd: . i.s bE! COming be::1ttE!r. SOME HON. MEMBERS : H~~i.·1r, hc;1t:tr'! MR. BAKER: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : . The han. the mE!rnber for Gandor. A S 1.1 p p J. (,HnE! tl tiH' y . MR. BAKER: Sir, whE:'!n is the PrE!ITI:iE!r ~Jcdng to c:r:tr'I"Y +:hi"Ot.lgh on h"i.s pr·o,n ·isf• t·.o let us haVE! a look at l·:hois tr· I'! rn C'! 1'1 d o 11 !> Fa c i. l i. I: y , · c:H1 d tAJ.L 1. l. h e table the w~el<-by-weel< statistics ·i. n L h f:! H o 1.1 !; r~ ? l 1·.: ·i ~; a v f!

I" y important figure. fJII~. SPFAKF.:R : The hon. the Premier. PREMIER PFCKFORD: won., :r do not: 1d10t~J "i.r T IAJ:ill. table thE:'! week - -by-wEH~k s l.:a·U stJc~;, b11 1". t.Hlyl·. 'i.rnn <:Hly mnmbc:!Y' opposi . l:.c->. would l :ikc;! to visit the fac:i.Iity, a1; Of -f:h'i.S lfiOiriEH1t. [ IAIOU}d IAHO!l. COirlE! them to the facility to see 'it. I I~JOUl.d li. l<c;! for i:ll.l Of YOII t:o SE~e it, especialJ.y now. I IJ.JouJ.d 1JkE! f o r t. h <-:'! L c->. f.'l d E! r· o r t: h E! 0 p p o s i t:. :i 0 n (Mr. WE:1lls) and thE! rneHnber for M c,1 n E~ h i I< ( M r· . F <,'! I'HAJ i c

k) a 1. s o t o t: a I< e the opportunity to go back again, b~~caus~:! I do not thJnk you tAr:i J 1 actuaJ.ly bE!l:iE!Ue what has happenE!d i.n such a short: pc,1r·j.od of l:·.j.rne, the kind of production that has !·1 a p ~HHHHJ . T t.: 'is IAJi)l y a l:l o ~~ (o' anyt:h:ing t.hat we E:WE!l1 put :in our 1\Jo. ]7 rn96'~

pred :j cU.ons point . So, MR. BAKFR: for a break even A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A flnal supplementary, l::h(,~ hon . the member for Gander. MR. BAKF.R: I watched the cucumbers with "i.nLE!Y'est. l hE!Ij st.:r.tl"t.E:!d 01.1l·. b:i.g, round, and fir·rn. Latc,11.y, i.t SE!BITIS t ·. o JrH:~ thE!IJ h<:~ve bc,1COifJ(~ Slflr.tl.l.ol" . and rnor'E~ gnarl c-'l d, and t:ha -1:: suggestion had I:H~ f'!l'l Jrlr.l!i (:1 to 1110 . Wo 11l.d i: he;! Pl"EHn:iE~I" gue~J"ant. c->.e thE! l-lou!;e, as wc~l.l. d~; l:he people :! of i:hP.

P I" o v :i n c E~ , t 1·1 d ·t 'l": h c,1 s cAm(! ld 1'1 d s of sl:IHJl:c;!d gr·o1~1th •Hlcl dofor'lll'i 1 ... i. f:!!i <:·H'c~ 110t !'holALing up "in the gr·~~enhousc,, hn1"0 r.t s si'JOIAJr.:!CJ 11p -L n Hw -i. r· CalgdY'IJ g I" (:1 , ... n h o u !' (:1? MR. SPFAKF.R: The hon . the Premier . PREMIER PECKFORO: The hon. member wi 11 see that ~ri. m s E~ 1. f . W h i31 1: i. s 1-1 a p p e n 'i. n g :i. s IAH:~ are gearing to the marketplace. There is in Newfoundland today, because of the enlarged market, a dr:1mand, from somE! farni.l.:i .c->.s and individuals who shop, for smaller cucurnber·s.

Som1::1 1 ike the big on1::1s and somE! likE! the smal1 ones. I t. a k c->. ·i t: t. h e h o n . me rn b e r f o r G rHl d E! I" Jikes the small ones . I, Mr. S p C:H'\ k E~ r , p r· e FE! r· 1:. h e 1. a r· g c,1 o n e s . MR. BAKER : Do you prE~fE~I" TIIOI'H:~y? PREMIER PECKFORD: No, I do not. Tf the:' hon. m€~rnb€H' t•.Ji.'\1'1'1:!; l.:o p11i: hts b;:-~nk ;:~cco11nt on t h f! h'l. b l E~ w:i t h nJ:i rH:1 , I t IT.i n k t h f.A t h ('! lA I i ll 0 I I [··. S h i. l'l (~ HI f'! r'\ l'l lj d i'l lj () 1- l·: h f'! IAIE:H~k, r . .ll'ld I f .. HJJ IAJ:i]Jjng to do jt:, MR.

FIAKFR : u 961:) May 16, 1988 Uol XL Mine is spent . PREMIER PECKFORD: Y€~s, m:i.ne i.s too . Tf t.hC'! hon. member wants to say, as a quip, 1-:.hal: T hav~~ rnor·r::! monE~IJ I ·1-.I·HHl I am wiJJjng to put our two accounts on the table, and I think he will prove to have more money than me . MR . SlMMS: How about Mr. Wells? PREMIER PECKFORD: Thdt would "i. !; Hno t·.: hel" l i ke to do ITkl 1··. 1: f'! I" ' I f that, l:: hE:Hl he;! that i• s F 'i. I'H'! . f3 11 1·: ·l:I'H :! I" r.:!

""i. s n OIAJ t.: h r· of~ or four different grades oF c: 1 1 c: 1 1 mi:H,n ·· ~; I:H'! ·i n g p r· o rl1 1 c (;! d .::~ L l:: h E• Sprung facJ J "i ty t.:o r'E!Spond l:.o t hE! Hlr'lr' k o L. ~~Jh;:-1 L h~-1 pp r:! nnd "i, n C;:~ lgr::tl" y I a s t h E:' h o n . mE! m b E:! I" lA I e 11 k n o IAJ !; , :i. ~ ; HJc~ L ·j 1-. l1k1 !) 0 n rH l o -i l r· r:!f i. l'lE! r·y !i j t c,1 . I t h a s b e E! n p ,,. o v €?. n b y ·i. n d 0 pH n d C'! n 1-. c 0 n !; II ·1 I: r:-111 [·:. ~ ; r r· 0 Ill univer si t ie s and From o ther oil coHlpi.·ln:i.(!S. Tho c.i l.: y o F C d l. <.:J iH ' Y has adrn:itLr:~ d it .

HlE!r'f~ :i. s no CJIIOSl.:'i.on dbOII 'I". Sl".lll'll·: t:!d gr·owth here, Mr. Speak e r. It is a CJIJesl-:"i.on of d:i.FffH'fHll: ViH'i.c->.·l:"i.c;!s, sizes of cucumbers, to meE!t thE! lflar·kel ·: dc->.lfland that · thE! peopl E! -.in the Province want and no doubt IAJi.l. l. IAJa l'l t 01.1 1-: S :i. cJ €~ t h (:~ pI" 0 V -j_ n C 0 , T IAJOtJld IAJE:1lcomE! l:he hon . lfiE~rnber · or· any members opposite to the ·fa c i. J. -i. t y wh n n €~ IJ c;! r· t h f~ y IAii\\ n l~ t. o go out, in the nE!Xt fE!IAJ days or· the I'H~x t f f:!IAJ t~Jf:10 k s I at: ;u1y L:i.rnE! . I would love for them to see it.

MfL_§_IMM.§.: You hr.lVE:1 to c hc,~ck you1" f :i rE!ar·rn s aL i·. h o cl o or' . PRFMTFR PEC KFORD: - ·--.. ·----- ··--·- ---H . is just. gor·geousl Ml" . Spe a k E!I~, :J II s L g ()I" g (

H) I I ~ ; ! MR. DECKER : Mr. ~:;pc: !;:~i<E~r . No. 37 R1965

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the ITIE!mbe r for t hE:1 Strait of Bc->.l.l.e Tsh1. MR. DFCKER: My qLif~sl:"i.on i.s l:o Uw hon. 'i:hr;! Minister of Social Services (Mr. Tobi . n), Mr·. Spr:!;'ll<r~;··, 1~1ho ~>r:!f:!HIS to be c-'!njoying thC::~ Spl''llng as r11uch as L h c~ r· r:! !; t o I" 1·: h 1,1 P r' o lJ ·i. n c (~ . f h 1,1 h on . rn:i n :i s 1·: t:H' wj 1 1 k n OlAJ. t. h cl'l~ t.I'H:1 r l~ J.s no FonnRl dni:ox·i . f' ·i. cr.l'l·.·ion r:r~nh · 1:! j n St.. John's for· lAICHnen. UnltkE! L h 1:! M"i.rl'i. !; ·1. rH' or 1-1 r:1 R l 1: h (I') r· . Collins) I clm nure the M~nister of Soci..:d.

Sf'!l"lJ .i. c:r,1s !<nOIAJS -1-:ho f;;~.c:l:s as thc,1y r'E:H'l11y iH'C:1. I want to ask t h r.~ rn i. n ·i. s '1:. c,1 r w h r.·\ t: a c t J o n h "! h r.1 s taken to ensure that women are given access to detox centres? MR. TOBIN : Mr· . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: -------·----- ThE! hon. thE! Minister of Social S c->. r· v i c c,~ s . MR. TOBIN : Mr· . SpeakE:1r, as it rE!lates to the q u f~ s 1.: i. o n p 1l1: F o riAkH' d by 1·: h f:! h o n . gen·tl r:1man, I have to bE! truthful IAI"i.l·.h h'i.1n and say 1-:h<:\·1: T r.~rn nol·: aware of what he is talking about, H n d T. IAJO Ill. d I~ Hi< Cc1 'i. 1·.

I I r1 d C'! Y' aclv-:ir.f:1ITIE!nL and r·f~port bdcl< to him a s l·:o IAII ' l·~·\1-., iF ;:tny, r'\C: 1-. ·ion hi·\S bE:'f~n t~ll<en. SOMF HON. MFMBFRS: Oh, oh! MS Vfi\GF : rho ADOC COrrlf:!S l.lndr:H' li~1ctJ.th . MR. TOBIN: nno\t. ts r·"i.ght. Yc:1S, thai': is t.rue. The departrnE!nt responsibJ.e for· l:.he ADDC, t:.hc'l Alcohol dnd Drt1g [)(->.pendency Cornrntssion, comes under thc,1 Df~par·t:mf :!n-1-:. of Hc-:1r.1l.t:h. It. would be the Minister of Health IAI h o l.IJO ul. d b ~~ r' (.;! s pons .i b l. r:1 . And hE! 1 .. 1966 May 16, 1988 Vol XL I~JOI~l d f>Y'Obr.-tbly appropriate one q1.1es 1:-i.on.

But as it be l .. hf~ to ansWE:H' relates to dHpcH'I:rnenl-., IAI!'! do not hHlJC;! programmes for that. I arn !;llt'n ·i. l- l-.h1:! hon. nHmlbnr· ·is of tl·1at or not, th~1t that : rno !> I ~ Y 0 U In my any not i:~!Aii:'ll"(;! dO(! S i:d::­ oF COlli!') lll'lc:IOI" HlC! f)(:!pcH' i"·.IIH'!I'll·: HeaJ.th and not: th~:! Oc,~pal"trnent. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. DECKER: M r . S p ~~a k e r· . MR . SPFAKER: ThE! hon. the mEHnber For· thE! Stra:i t.: of Bc,1ll('! Tsl.~;;' . MR. DECKER : Tl~ i.s lfiY 1.1 n cl f'l r· s 1:: and .i_n q 1·: h a t. L hr.:!

Alcohol and Drug Dependency Cornrniss :i.on DepiH'tlTIE!nt I lA) i. l. 1 9 () Health, who ca1no undc;!r' !: IH1 of Social Sc"!rvicE:!s, but. r.o\ r 1-: e r t: h f:! M -:i. n -i. s 1:-. C'! r' o ·F seems to - MR. SIMMS: Thi'\1 ". ~~li'\S not· rtiC:!I'll ~ -.i.orwd 'i. n l::hC'! nE!IAJspaper articJc-:1, I guess. Ml~. SPEAI<F.R: Ol"df~r·, pl.nasr:!! ~JL....._Qf. C I( F. R_ : T c:l ·i.d ~;pn;:\k IAI"il .. h sorne of pE:wple t.~lho wer·e quoted :in i\\inl·_·lcl.r:1, r.o\nd t.hoy sr:-li.c:l it "i. s D e p a r ·t rn E! n t of So c i a 1 S c"l r· v :i c E! s . .i S IIIII 5 1: b (:1 r.\ I" r.;!

C f'! l'l 1: C h <:\ l'l 9 f'! . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: OrdElr, pJ.easE!! MR. DEC~ER: 1-:.h"! !:.hE! l: h r::! 1 '1-:. The fa c '1:. of 1 -.h~:! rna t-: i':.(;!r' ·'l. s, Mr· . No. 37 Rl966

S p 0 ~~ k e r· , i: h e pro b l Mn :, 1-.' i. l J r:1 x 'i. s I· :, and i t js a government probJem. I c:~ s !< l.: h r;! M-i. n i. s i: c;! r• o F H o i"'l J. I: h , s :i. n c f'! :i'l :is obv t ous that t:h~1 m:ird.st:er hi'\S l'lOL pl,i:-\CC:'d Ol'lOI .Igh ( ~ fllphdSl.S upon the probl~m that women are havtng IAii. L:h aJ.cohoJ.·i.sln, IAJi.l.J. l·.h(;! Mini st er of Health explain why al.cohol. ·.l srn has boc;!n g "i. ven s uch a J.oiAJ prior·ity, and what action dOE!S h e i. n 1:. <:1 n d 1:. o t. a k <->. t o c:.~ d d r· e s s t. h -:i. s problem in a more meaningful way?

Now :-Lt. has b(HHI prcwc->.n ~lccor·d"i.ng to the press that women are not ge t ting this s ervice . MR. SPEAKER: Th<:' hon. the M:in :ish1r of Health. DR. COI .. LJNS : Mr· . S p c.~ a k n r· , 1.110 h r:·l \J n don r;! q 11 i i·. t'! <:·l b:H· , pE:11"l'iCips not: as much r.1s IAH:~ 1~rLll do or· pr:!dJ, :-lps not so 11111r::h a:, p P. n p J (~ wo u J d J. :i 1«->. us t o do , but. IAJ(~ hdtJC:! donr;! q11 ·i 1:::! a bi.i ·. on l·hr'! dbll~ >~~ of a J.. cohoJ s:itur.d::i .on. Tt was this. gOVfH'nll)(;!l'li: l:·.hi'll.: br'O I.Ighl: ·i, n t-JH~ Anne, the Alcohol and Drug Addiction Commiss i on. SOME HON.

MEMBERS : HE-)ar, he:~ar·! DR. COLI. INS : And we have branch offices throughtout the Province and in Labrador where there is information availablE!, they are st:aff c:1d to HH~C-'!t. l}.ri.th i-:hC'! VdY':i.OI.IS group s and so on . In add:i.tion to ·t.hat., i}Jc,~ hclVf'! fundc;!d Ti\llbot. Housc:1, IAJ~dc:h is r·un by St. Clar·e's Hospil :.i:-11, wh -i.c h .i. s not: i.·l Full · -f1~~dg~~d dc,,tox :ificatton centr'E! ·i. n t (.~In lfl s () F a I~ 0 1-: a J. s ('!r' I) ·i. r: 0 I b 1.1 t :is the->. so --- called dl"y:ing out t:ypc,~ of f d c :i. l ·i.

L 1J , 1}1 h i. c h h i\l s b o o n tJ r,1 r· 1J us ~:d=-u J , cll'l d :i t· :i ~ ; usE! d by m(!l'l and I}Jornr,:!n. Tl'l acld -i. i·.i. on l·:o ·l·hHt I}Jf~ l'li'lVP ftmd (~ d p(~ opJ f~ goj ng t o s p f'! r: ·i i'l 1 -i. 7 r:! d f '~ c ·i. l "l -1: ·i, n ~; o i 1 L l1 c.~ n~r.J:inli\l . nd, pal' " l·::icu]iH']y jn Ont: ar·Jo, 1.1.967 M;:-, lj 16 I 1. 9 8 8 IJol. XI . Dow1·1 s t;-i. r,1 1AI T l : h-i. n k ·i,i- ·i. s c: ,:-, J.

J. nd . [ n this budget, as hon . mE!mbers knOIAJ, i}Je ~h'I'H ~ p11t :in money to s+:ru·t·. a p r· o v i n c J. a 1 c E! n t r E! , n o t a W ~ :! s t: Co<'~ ~; l:: Co n t: r ('! , ,:·l t 1.: h <:1 W C'! s t C'! r· n Memorial hospital in Corner Br·ook. So, 1}1~~ haur-:! done d l.o 1·: .. MR. DECKER : A supplementary, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : A f~nal supplementary, th e t.he Jnornber· for· t.hc;! Str·d:i .i·: of Isle. Mfi_. _!;>ECKER: hon . Bc;!llE• '[do nol~ l<notAJ 'i F 1-.:ht'! iTI""i.n-i. st.l'! l" ·-L s deliberately pre t ending no t t:o 11 n d r;! r· s l·· <:·l n d I: h r-~ q 1 j ( ~ s ·1: .-i. o n .

T a 111 concerned with d i scimin~t:ion of IAJomon. r. kno1~1 ;:-lbOIIi-. ·rr:·l "lbol-. Hu11scc. and th :is sort of th :i ng, but why i s l:hr,, 111'i . rl"i.~; l.nr· con 'L :-i.nLI·i.nq discriminating agaJnst women wi t h ·i··. h i. ~; pI" o b .. , C:! HI? T h t'! Co I" n r-:! 1" B I" o o k CE:1nt:rE! i s a r'c-?.gionc.il t:htng, but J s i: h n rrr i. n · i ~ ; I:(:! r· . c o n s J. d e r· ·i. n q geography?

He talks about Toronto wi.i :h .:~ bJg f>Of>Jileli ::i.on IM:i l: h:in a i::l?.n mile radius, but is the Corner Rr·ook r:r,~nl:r·o goi.nq 1-:.o b ~: ! t.h(-'! only answer he i s going to offer, or i s he go i ng ~o c:on s:ider geogr a phy when he developes the centr e in Cor·rHH' Sr·ook? MR. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. the MinistE!r of HE!alth . DR.

COLLINS: Mr· . ~ : ;pr. : !aknln, dS r r:~xpla -L ned -L l:: wi 11 not b<::~ ti·H:! o the:~ r c e nti"E! bu 1·: i.t: IAJ"i.l.J. bf:! +:l·1p only f ac t J. ·i.ty I).Jhl:!I"E! there are in-pati e nts, shall we sc:·liJ, or· l"t:'~> t rlf:!n · l: fac·i.:J.:-i.t. :i r::!S of a v c->. I" y h i g h 1: e c h , a v r:H' y E! x t:. ~HI s :i v E! i-: yp e or n < 'l · l : ltl" r,~. T h t'! Fa c t-: -t: ha t th(:!r·~~ :is only one;! :in th e::' Pl"ov:i. nc~:! ·i.~ ; not llnii!>II C:·ll.

T l:h·i nk ·l:hPI"I':! rH'C;! only t wo or t:hro e i n the whole flr ' nwint: n or· Ont· ·. r:-~r · · io, IAJhr- ~ 1 " e UH'!Y hav<::1 r!l populat:i.on oF (dght Ol" b~1·1 No. :l7 f~ 19 6 7 ,.

million, or whatever it is. You do not need many of these centres, but:. you need one very highly de v f:' l.o p e d c (~ n t:r· e "'n d IAJE:! IAri.ll h rw r~ H j n lh:i.s Province. Ther·e is i:HlOtl'wr CIHd:i"O in I " R~H·ador, <·\t 1\lor·lhtAIC-?.st R·ivc,~r·, IAJhjch :i.s funded by 1: h f:! f C:H~ f'! Y' i'\ J. g!) lHH' I'll() E'!J'l i'. iHl d "i, ~; o p EH' cd:' 1'::~ d by t1'1 c,~ 1.. T A t:. hE! r e . They hHlJr:' i':\ SOlflf~IMhi'\1: ~;i. llli.li.H' 1-.ypn of ce,mtr·r:~ but: that js not. r-1 p r· o lJ i. n c ·i. ;:~ l. ·i. n i '1: i Rl: :i lJ I'! .

J i: h ·i. n k +hat. thH E~ffE'!Cts of th..-is cc,~ntr·E~ 'in Cor· ne r· A r· o o I< IAJ'i. ll. b f.! f n ll. t.hJ"ougl·loUt thr:~ Pr·ovince. Thr:~y IAJi. 1. l d ~~ lJ r,~ l o p r· r:! s J. d f'! n t s r:! r'lJ ·i c 1;! ~; ,,, n d they lAd] 1 thc-?.n dE:weJ op soph i.s t.:·i.cml : c,~d arnb111r.~i:or·y and fanr.ily ~"'~rvices, and these t.ui1J LhC'!I1 be c,~xh.i.b:i.i·:f~d l··. hr·ot.lghoul: 'i::hf:! Prov::i.nce through thE! br·anches that I hr:~ve mf.~nt.i.onHd thdt 1.•.1(:~ al.r·c,~,:~dy have in place, through the ADDC. MR. EFFOfW: Mr·. Speahn· . MR. SPFAKER : The~ hon. the member for Port de Gn:we. MR.

F.:FFORD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr . SpE~ai<E:H', my quest-.ion is also d"i.r•t:!cl:ed t.o l:.hr,~ Mi. nisi:r~r· . of Hc,~ii\J th. :r IAJould as I< t·hE! nd n:ister i. f hf:! wo11ld r:onf"i.r'lll a !;Li'\i:r:!rnr:!nl: lllcJ.dl'' by l:hc~ Adminis tr·r:~t·ot" of the;! Hr~<~ll . h Sci.r:~ncr:!~> Cr,Hlh'r,~ la~>'i". I~JHr,~k, !AI h EHl S 1·1 (:' S i'~ :i. d V E! I~ y C] E~ a Y'] y t h Cl t 1·. h H . h 0 S p ·j ;-_ d J. I~J ;:1 S 0 p r:! t' r:~ i" ·j n 9 i'\ 1 I fl 0 !) i". ~~nt·jl"f~Jy on an ernet"gency and l!r'gf~ni" be1s·i.s?

ThP lfli.n·ish·H' !;;dd on Fr·:iday that he IAJOuld dlE:~ c k that 01.11·. ~:~nd r·E:~por·t·. bHck to thE:! Hoi.ISI~!. Would t:he rntnistc-?.r car·E:~ t.o clarify t:hr?~t? MR. SPEAKF.R: The han. the Minister of Health . DR. COI.LTNS: 1..1968 May 16, 1988 Vol XL Mr. Speaker, I have had the opportt.lnii-:y to gfH: sorne information on that. Let me first s a 1J , 1:. h o 1.1 g h , 1: h i'l 1-. t: h ~=! I" c,1 i:il r· E! +:. h r· c;! c;! types of admission to hospitals, g~~nr~r·a'l.l.y !;peaktng.

ThE:! r'e "ls i::he elE:~ctiVE! type,~. ·the ur'gE:Hll: or acut:e t·.IJpf~, ~;hi'lll ~~H'! sr:~y, .:-1nd Lh('!l'l l".hE:!t'C'! is the emergency type. Now, what i-.l-11:! i:\drrri.rl'i.~;l:r·<.~hH' of l .l·w ho~:~pi . t:.al . said th:i.s was ~n off ··LhH -top -.. of .·(·:he -hOi'ld l"f:!Sp0r1SC'! to a quc-?.stion d 'l: an :intE:!r'v'.i.~~~"' '"'"' ~; , 1 ~,Jc~ <H' 1,~ o fHH' a 1: "i. n g r:·1l.111U s ·l:. entirely on the basis of urgent i'lnd t'!lllPI"IJf~nr:y . 1 So 1-.:hi'lt rner.'lns ·b h a t . t h E:~ y a r· c,~ n o t o p E:~ I" a t. i n g l. i:l I" g ~~ 1 y o n t. h n b a s ·i. s o f r,1 J. c:1 c t -L u t~ .

So it is the elective s:icl(;!, shalJ. '""~ say, no 1:. I:Hd ng s C·H'V "i. c <'!cl as much as in normal circumstances . I havr:~ some figurE!S hE!rE! on elfi(H'<.:JE:Hlcy adrni.ss"i.ons. In 1.986, 43 per cent of admjss:i.ons to the lic,~r:\l.t:h ~:)ci.E~ncE:!s Complc,1x I~J(:!r'E! emergency; in 1987, 53 pE!Y' CE!nt; and "i.n 1988, up to the present time, 55 per cent; and for the rn o n 1: h of A p r· :i.l o f' 1. 9 ll a , 5 4 p e r· cent. So you can seE! that througl'lOIJl~ l9B7 iHld to date ·.in 1988, thE! percE:~ntage of c-:!TnEH'gency <·1 d 11d !; ~; -i_ on s ·i. s no l·: chang 'i.n g a.ll. that much.

I do not, 11nror1·.1.1ni:·\l·:(~ly~ m'l'. 1-.h:i.s po.int-. 'i.n tjmc,~. h1:~ve Lh(:~ pE:H'CE:HltagE! fol" t.hE• non .. r,~tnot·grHlCIJ b11l: ur·gf:•nt and l:: hE! non-emergency but elective. I thin I< tha 1: :it.: IAJould bE! d rn·i. s 11 nd l'!t' !; i".i'l nd·i ng t·:o i·. hi. n I< 1: ha +: 1-: he-:! Health Sciences Complex is o~HH'i'lt·i. ng on Lho br'ls .. i.s (Jf' only emergency admissions. There are oi:hr,1r typw; oF iHitn:i.ss-i.ons go:ing on there. At lE:~ast 4-6 pE!Y' CE!nt of t:~'J.J. i.H~IJJ:i.ss-Jons r'lt'E~ r101'1 ·· t:'l'fi81"9C:~I'1Cy admissions at the present time. MR.

EFFORD: A suppl.c;!ITIEHltary, Mr·. SptH:lkE!r. No. 37 Rl968

MR. SPEAKFI~: The-~ hon. the m~Hnber· for· Por·t de,~ Gr• <.-\ V c,~ , ;:~ S II p pl. C~lllfHl'l·. i'lr' y . Mf~. FFFOfW: Mr. ~~pE!al<er•, J ast y<-?.i:tr' t·:here IAJere tlri. rty-sf:!v~:!n bc~ds cl.oscH:I l:IAJO IAJfH:d<s t,H.\1"] :ic,~r thiHI had bE!Bn antiC'ipated by 1-: he De pa rt.:IIW n t of H E~i'\l Lh' rHld at. l:hr~t. tirnE:~ Dr·. HatAJI<:ins, Dr. W r· i. g h t. I a n d 0 r· . M .i ll. EH' , iHl d t: h e adrn:inistrat.or MR. SPFAI<ER : Order·, please?.! Th"i. s ·i. s d s u pp l.c~rn~~ n t:.;:~ ry . Would the hon. member pose his question? MR. FFFORD: ---------Yes, Mr.

Speaker . 0 f 1:. h f;! h 0 S p "i. i·: <.·11 !; r~ 1'1-[-: 0 I I [·. r:·1 nH:~lTIOt"andurn to r.~J 1 the hosp:i.taJ s r:·1l"OIInd l:hn Prnt;"i.ncn ~''''y·i. ng ·i·.h;:~l · t h e y c o u J d n o t d o e:1 J E>. c t j v E! s u r· g c;! r y r:-1nd ·l .. h,1'l: thc,1y co1tld only '1:.:-1ko nrnc~ 1"9 E~ n c:i c,1 s . SOME HON. MfMHFRS: Q tJ E~ s t '.i on . 11-1 I~ . S P ~: A K F. f~ : OrdE~r, pJ E!clSE:1! MR.

F.FFORO: WouJ.d Lhe minister, then, since there were only thirty - nt ne beds closed last year and they could not. do any C-?.l.ect'i.ve SIJrgEH'Y whatsoever and they even had <c~ITIEH'9 E! n c y pa t."i. t,Hl t s t•.u;d -t.i ng :i. n UH?. cor-ridor·s, say that it js gooing to b c~ E! v E! n IAJO r· s e t h :i. s y E:HH'? T n fa c t I . they ctr'E! closing somE! Fifty-plus beds at 1-:he Hoal.th Sciences CompJ '''X and thE~Y ar'E! not go:ing to b~~ abJ.f~ <"!Vf'!l'l l·:o do f~tnf:!t"9f~ncy st.~r·gnr·y. Ml~. ~3PF::AI<Fr~ : The hon. the M'.in:ister of Health . I. 1969 May 16, 1988 Vol XI. DR. COI . I . IN~ : Mr.

Speaker, I have just g:ivt~n the;! i~·i.glll"C'!S. T hopr,~ l:hr;! rnnd:i.m pi.ck 1.1p ·l:.hE! figun~s t:.hat I am g'.i.v:ing I bi·'!CC:~USC'! ·l:hr;!y i"·11"1:1 cor·r·nct : onos thc1t we got directly from the Health S c '.'i. c,1 n c f'! ~; Cotnp "J. c;! x, i'1nd 'I:. hr.:! y do not pick up any spur·ious figurE!S and c r ~~ i:-1 i:: 1::! u n n C'! c c,1 s s c:1 r· y c: o n c c-~ r· n a t' o u n r.l thE! ProvinCE!. Last year, in 1987, 53 per CE!nt:­ t.:h .. i.s. "i.s for· the,~ IAJhol.E:! YC"!iH' of admissions to thE! Health ScienCE!S Cornpl.f~X IAJ<~l"C;! fml<"!l"9C:Hlcy.

Th:is year, to date, it is 5f) pEH' CE!nt:, V'"i.r'ti .IC:'lll.y i::hr.:! Sdllt(:~. ·rhE:!r'E:! hi:,1S been no increase in the proportion of c"!l'tlfH'g EHl cy i'ic:ltwi. s ~; J.on s a i:: I:: hE• Health Sc:iences ComplE•x, this yea!" i:o d<.·1 -l:r,~, OlJI:!r' Jr!tst yE~r::tl" . T l·:h'"i.nk that. somehow or other the hon. mornbet · ·i. s gi tJ i ng oll't". !>OIIH'! F:igiH'E'!S that the med:ia misunderstands as ~; h OI~J i n 9 i' h i'l 'i' -Hw t' r,1 ·j ~; i:'t IAJO I" S EO!I'l 'i. l'l 9 sJ.tua'l":ion th<->.I"E:~.

ThE:! f:i gur·~:!s 1 h i .~ v e j 1 1 s 1': 9 :i tJ r~ n s h o 1~1 l.. h ''l I: l: h ;:·1 l' :i. s not the case:~. MR. SPEAKER : Order·, please! The~ t. ·irnr;! For· Or·;:~J. 9UE!!;t:i.ons has elapsed. Notices of Motion MR. DINN: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ·rhe hon. t.h<-?. Mi.n .i. stc'!t" oF M:i.nE~S . MR. OINN: Mr•. SpE!ai<E!Y', it is thE! Annual I? c"' p or· t o F M :in r.~ r· a l. I. l c E~ n c e s and Mi IT.i n g L. E:~ aS E! S F 0 r· thE! y E! a I" A p Y' oi J. 1 1 '1.913'7 l:o Mru·ch 1'1., 1.9BB. No . 3 7 R1969 -~-·. ~ :_-.

Petitions MR. SPF.AKfR: The hon. the 1nc-:!1nbEH' for· Nas kdupi . . MR. I<EI .. I..ANO : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . :r haue a pE~t..-it:ion, signed by 145 rr. : !sidE~nl ... s of Ch11r·ch .i.Jl. f.:-ll.l.!; ·Ln N as I< clU p :i n :i s t r· i c t . The wording j s s ·i.l n .. i. 1. a r· l·. o H d I" 1 ·i. r-:! r· o n r~ ~; r h ''' lJ ~~ ~'I"C->.r.EHl.~E'!d, and it d~<:1als w-.i th Lhc,1 t"Oc~\d br.;! l:·.t!J(;!c~n J·IHppy Vr.'ll.l C'!Y .. c;oo~;H llc1.y Nnd Chur·chill Fall:..

Tn nf'fc~cl·., l·hc,1 r·c:!~; i.df:!nl·. ~; on bo ·l:h c:!nds of thE:! road <H'E! 1oold ng for ad d :i. 1-: .. i o n c'll. f' 1 n d i. n g , o ·I: h r'! r· 1·. h H n jtJ~;t.: the r·e:1gul;u· rnaJnt.enancE:1 of $'1.00,000 !)I" $1. 1)0,000, I bc~'l:i.nlJf~, wh :i.ch is spc:!nt eu(,1ry YE:H-u~ in Y'Oitt:i.nE?. IIIH"i.l'ltE:!I'ldl'lC(.'! IAJh"i.ch i.s far f r· om ct d c->. q u i'.l tE:1 .

G E:Hl e r a 11 y s p E! a ld n g t. h E'! y a r· (,1 1. o o k 'i. n g f o r· <:·\ n u p g r· a d 'i. n g Of thC:1 road it.SE!lf, YOl.l kn01.1.1, SOmE! sul:lstant"i.c\l rnonE~Y be i.ng p1Jt in other than other the regular ma.-i.ntc,1nance that. tAle hdUC:1 bE~<,Hl hau.ing for the past few years of the $100,000 to $1SO,OOO. In particular·, I would 1i.ke l~o bring to the attention of the • M i. n .. i. s 1 ... (.;! r o f T r· <.'1 n s p o r· 1.: H l:. i. o n · L h r~ immediate need for some work to sl ... clr'r. on t ·. hr-~ r·oad noto~.J, ''lnd t:.h ..

Ls ·is :in the J j ne of annual regular tnr~i . nl:e n,~ n c C:! o lJ (,~r d nd dbOlJ r,1 1.: h1~ aSJ:H~ct thblt t:h<->. pt1-l:'it:ion is c,~l.l i.ng l"or·. J11s L pr· ·i.or• 1-.o c:onr'Lng :i 11to t.h~>. Housc,1 I was contacb':!d by ~>ntnn t'HS i.dr;!nb; i.n Ch1tr·d1 ·i ll Fr'l-11 c;, and C~Jr.o in Happy VC~lJey~Goose fldy I dl'ld ti'H'!I"C:! iH'C;! ~~ l'll.liiii:H'!t' or fJEWplE~ on both C'!l'lCb of thE:~ l"Oad, par·l ... "i.Cill.<'lrl.y "i.n -l:hc~ tncH'c~ ·i.sol,,lJ-.od ChtJJ"ch:U J Fall~; cornmun:ity, tJJho 1~1 o 1.11. d ·1. t k c;! ·I: o b (.'! <:l b l F.! 1·: o i ·. r· ;:~ l.J f'!

J. dot.o~HI to Hi'.l.ppy Valley---GoosE:~ Bay as soon as possible. Thts will saue me a telephone call Ll970 May 16, 1988 VoJ. XL. to t h <->. uti. n i. s tE.~ r or d <->.put y trri n "i. s tc.;~ r - I would like to ask the minister tAJh!dn he->. ris(:!s to spc,•al< to thJ.s petition, as hE! no doubt Jo~.JiJ.l, if hr>. IAIOUJ.d have~ hi.s off:i.c.i.al.s t.ake an immediate look at the Churchill FHl.ls ro;,,d, b<'!Caus<'! T bE!l ... i.ov<'! l~hclt there are some washouts. We get a nttrnbr.:!r' of rrri.nor· IAJdshouts E~U<;!Y'Y YE!ar·, but.

I was told about:. one <H'OIInd 1-hc~ POF)(o! 1 s J·J"i ll r.H'E:!d, i:'II'H~ people from Happy Valley-Goose Bay d r· c~ c: 11 r· r· r~ n 1:1 y d r· ·i 11 i n g ;:·\ s f"' I" ;:~ s Pope 1 s Hill but cannot. go any l"ttr• ·l·.hc:!t' bnci·lii~>H o ·f ·l:h<:'ti·. p,:,r·i· ... i.cltl .dt' tAJashouL, and thE:1re nmy bE~ sornE:! ot:het'!; U·1<:·1l: 1'1!-'!r~d i.mlill:!d·i.d I .. C'! r··r-~pai I" .

ThH pr'!Opl.e in after a uery Ch11r·ch .. i ll Falls, 1 ong to~.r:i.n t:er of ·i sol. ~~ 1-. i. on , "'r· n lJ H r· y , v f:'! t·' y an>< j o us to ge:1t: on the r·oad and COITIE! dot,~,m 1:0 HHppy lJi'\ll.c~y .. c;oosr,1 11·"Y, dl'ld l::hE! number of dtffE!Y'~~nt r·ee:1sons I to~.tas g .i. v f::! n :J. n c J. u cl (! d t. h f:'! f <:'1 ct. t: h a 1:: t: h f::! y to~.JantE!d to do soiTIE! shopping, ~JE!t: S 0 rn E>. 1'1 (:1 8 d E:1 d "i. t. C.;! IllS ; S 0 Ill E'! U E:! h-i_ C J. E>. S ar·e gol.ng to bt~ traded l.n.

There is th~l:: aspect of commerce when you establish thE! link E!ach year, a s y o 1 1 r· c::~ o p f::! n +:. h e J ·i. n k P a c h y E:1 i:'l r , so I wo u 1 d 1 t k e to ask t: hE! rrd. n j_ s 1: f:! r· t. o g -j_ lJ f:1 c o n s ·i. d (:! r· a t "i. o n 1:: o that immediate request from my d-i.str·i . ct-., thr.~l-: sotrJC:! 1~1ork IAJOuld star·t r-ight. alo~.Jr.ly to both E!J'lds of 1-: h C'! r· o <::t d , . r. n I: h r->. o p :-i. J'l "i. o n o f 1:: h E! people I spoke:1 to, a loc.~der· couJ.d '" c c 0 Jr1 p l. ·i. s h +- h c,' r ·i. ll :i. n g ..

"i. n 0 f 1-: h e washouts, the Spring runoff I Ali:~ s h () 11'1: !; . A n d ·i. r" I~)(~ c 0 I I 1. d h i'l u (;! some equipment go up From the lli'lPPY V<~l ., r.~y ·Goose'! l'l.:-1y f'!l'ld, no doubt:, as in Pl"evious yeat"s, thf: :! Hl:i.n-i.!; ·h,n• COIJ1 d rrt<:~kH dY'I"di'lgE'!IIIC.;!I'l'l·:s for equ-ipment to come down from 1 ... h c,, C h 11 r· c h :i. l.l. Fr.\ 1.1. !) r-~ n d i:·l n d F ·i x up these arei'.l.s, washouts and things l. . i.kr~ I:I·H~L. l:h<'ll-: IAJould pEH'In.i.+-. trauel right away. I say that ·:i.n:il::-i.al.ly. I would J.i.i<E'! to hau<;!

C.'l rE!SponSE! fr·orn him today, so t:.hat I could 'i.nfor·n1 thE:! pE:1oplE:! tMho mi\li<E! No. 37 R1970

L he c <!Ill. s +:o 1111~ IJ.Jh<~ 1-. h-i. s intent.::ions ~I"E:1 jn "!":hat r·egar·d . 11 u l f u In ·H1 tH' t h i:l n t .. hat , j n Til y f j n a 1 r·r;!Hklrks in r·r,~l.c:-1l ·. ion to !:hi:; partjcular petjtion, Mr. Speaker, 'i. 1: IJ.lOUl.d SOf'!lll ·LI'lr:-11: . l:hH 90lJt'!I"J'llrli'!I"J'i"·. l · 1c:~!; to takE! a l"~~spons"ibJ.E~ posJ .t.ion on l.:hr~ Ch1.1r•ch-i.l.l f;:~ll.:; l"Or:tr:l. !11]1~ Ci:J.I'I no J ongE!r gwL along wtth s ·i.lnp l. y 1·: I·H~ rou 1: -i. nE! wa :in hHl<Hl c ~~ that occur·s E!VE!ry yE!ar·.

In (d_-·f r:~ c t·:. , t h l"~ I"' ~~ ·i. s o n 1. y o n (~ l:. o i: <:·11 gradjng of that road for the whole season and, generally speaking, that is cornpletE!d in the Fall, j n S e p t em bE! r , CH' s om c:! ti'J'i. n g l. i k E! that. The total grading is f"ini.·ll.l.y done by Sr:~pt:c.;!lllber· !·.:he previous Minister of Tl"i.~nspor· · tal: :i.on IJ.Joul.d probi'lbl.y confir·m that, as 1.uelJ. and that L h ;:·l I: u; no 1: 1.: h r'! r 'i. g h i: I: ·i . HH:~ '1: o h <'I v r:! '.it donE!. Soln(:!IJ.Jhr'!I"O govr-:!l"l'lllli:!n 1'.

I.•JOII.ld h<··\lJr~ l ... o f:it··st of aJJ upgrr.:tde the,~ rorld, put. lfiOI"f:! fi.ll. on Lho r'Odr:ls "in i'H'O<'I!> the:d: CJ.t'·r:~ pr'(~l:ty t.ueJJ down t:o bf:!<:ir'OC:k nOIAI dnd l.lfl9t'i·\dr'! !>OHIH Of the'! cu1VPI"ts that ha.vc"~ not rr-:!cr,~itJr:!d •~"1-.i:r.~ni:-i.on, to br·i .ng l·.hc~ r·oad ·up to a sti:~ndar·d c:~qual - a-t 1~~<:·15[: c-?.ql.ldl. -1-.o l:hc,1 Y'CH-HI bwi·.IJ.HHHI C h lH' c h j 1 1 F clll s and F. s k E:~ r , IAJ hi c h n 0 b 0 d y C 0 rrt p 1 i:\ i. n S t:\ b 0 II t·. b f'!

C: t:l II :; ~~ ··i. '1-: :i.s a f:il'lC"~ gr·aveJ r·oad on IAlh:i.ch you c:an dr· -ivc-?. the Y'(~gular spr,~r,~d l.i11ri.t and so on, bring it up to an a c c r:~ pt.;:~ b l e s t. a. n cl a r· d , u p 1·. o t. h c;! standard that. the two or three new br·'.i.dgc'!s ar·e, and fr·orn l::ht:!l'l on hi:l~Jf:~ a meaningful annual maintenancE:~ pro g r· a rnm (,1 1:. h a t. IAr:i. 1. l. p '"~ r· rn i. t p f~ o pl. e to travel comfortably on a gravel road for the entire season. T h r:! r· (~ a r· f~ i::l n u m b E! r o f b l. -i. n d CUI"Ve!;, as tAlE! have rn~~nt.ioned on earl.i.f~r· occa~;tons.

Thr-:!r·c~ i:tJ"<:! i'l numbc"~'" of ar'E!as IAJhr:~r·c;! the t.lnCif:!r'gi''OIJ.JI:h, (;,tJr.HJ l'.hottgh SOIIH'! IAJOI"k Wi:IS donr::! on thi\lt J a st. yc~!iH', is I. 1.9 71 \Jol. XI _ g r· 011ri . ti •:!J j_ n q 1 i"i 1-: A c 1. o s n l": o t: h ('! r· o <:l d and makjng visib-ility very d-i. Ff·:L C:lll. 1-.. '[ s (,H:! ·j l: i:l s (•\ IH!Y'Y SE!r':i.ous s<:lfc,~ty hr.l?ard on t:hat: r· o i:u:l , r:Hl d i t 1. ~; o n l. y t: h r· o 1.1 g h t I'll'! grace of God, 1 suppose, that s o 1 n < :! ·I: h -j n g r· r~ ;q ., ly s r:!

I" · i o 1.1 s h i:·l s n o 1·. yet happened because of Forward lJ .. i. s -i. b i. l. i. l: y , i ·. h o b J·'i. n d c 1.11" ~~ f'! s <:·~ n d the conditions of road. So I IAJould ask the minister to g·i.v(,1. cons .. i . dc~r·<:l'i:.:i.on l·:o l·:hf'! OVE!Y'i.itl.J. upgrading, the permanent solution to i·: h c,~ r· o.'':l d , b 1.1 l:. , in t h (~ rrH~ m n t. i. rn E! I I t.uould ask that hE• IJ.JouJ.d rE!spond 1~ o t.: h (;~ I" E! q u (;! s t. t: h a t.

I h 1:~ v E· received today, to get the road opc:!n notAl, so Lhi:·lt. t.hc>. peoplE! can travel back, as their requests indi.c: ~"'tr.~ l:hE!Y t.•lr:lnt. to do. MR. LUSH: Mr· . SpE!aker. MR . SPF.AI<FR : The han . the mE:~rni:H,~r fOl'' Bonavt s t.a Nor· l:h. MR.

I..I.J~:HI: Jt g:i.ves mt::~ a gi"E!i:d: PI"Jv'.i.lr::~gcc! l o ~; 1 1 p p o r· 1: 1-. h 0. p r,~ I" i. i · 'i. o n s o ;:•t b l.y a n cJ compe-tently and ~~ff:ic :i.E:Hltly and E!ffc~c · l· ·i lJE:1l.y pr'<'!Sf~n1:c~d by l::hf:! member for Naskaupi, and reJ.ated 1:o _ d rrto!;l: ·.i.rnpor·l·.t'tnl·:. pr·oj(H::i : , namely, the upgrading of the C h u r· c h i. ll. s r· o ;:·1 d .

I t: h i. n k i:: h ~~ request made by the member, cert~tnly a most reasonable one, almost in two parts, asking for irrnnc,~d"i.f:ltc-?. r·epa:Lr· and upqt"aciJ .ng noiAJ so that the roads can be used t HI HIE! d "i. a t c,~ l. y I i:. hen , 'L n 1:: he 1. on g term, more substantive and major constr·uct:-Lon so t·:.hi:·1t. thc:! pc.;!oplf'! of Uris ar'E!a, Churchill Falls and Coosr~ Ri.·ly; C<'tn hi.~VC'! l:: hE! transportation ljnk that js so IJ "i. 1·: d l. f o i" ·1: h c~ d r· c::! ,,, . Mr·.

Spn;::~k''!ln, T t.hat: pr·obably No. :J? ;:~ 1r1 sur· C'! , tJ.J':i.l J. a.g r· r::• E! one:~ of Hw most. rn 9'/l ' .. -

E:1ffecttve means of creating unity iHJd t:hc-?. sc-:lnSE:1 of tH:'l.ongi.ng l:.o an ar·E:~i:4, belonging to an E!nU.ty is t-.hr·ouqh connnurdc;3.·t.tons, and transportation forms a very ·important link of that communicat:ion.

T remember well when t was in Churchi 11 I t.uas thE,re for five YE!i'\Y' S I r·"i.ght . fr·om l · : hf ~ bc'!goi.nn'ing or t·hat grc,1at development unt:i .J :its o f F "i. c i. d l. o p ~:! n "i. n 9 ''1 n d T I" r-~ c: ''1 ll t i'li:d t:h~~ f.i.I"S t coup] e of yeai"S I IAI <~1 s I":.I'HH' 0 I rJJ r· . s fH~ i'1 kr~ r I T F (:1 '1. ·1", .. ~ rllOI"E:' f.l pal"t of Quc,1bec thi'll'l of t:hE:1 P r· o cJ i n c 8 oF 1\1 e1~1f. o ' 1 n d l d n d i'1 n d I abl"i'ldor· sjr11ply, and :J n the rnc'l:i.n, l:ht'OIIgh C:Oifll'lllll'l "i.c:n'i:" i . on~;. The·\ 1: l~ld!> th~~ rniss:ing J'.i.nl<.

I do no'l- b f~ l:i. r,1 IH! '1'. h P. P r· o IJ ·i. n c i i.-1 l. 9 o lH:!I" n1nr;! rl'l: hcwc~ prl:id suff:ic:ient attE!rl'l ::ion to l.:h<:! "i.lllflOr'l:i:;trJCO of C:OIIIHIIIn·icnl ."iOI'l l·.o r11cll<~~ t:h~~ pE:wpJc-?. of Chtu·ch':ill Fi'·\ll s, .:-1nd l·.he pr-=!oplc,1 indHr:!d of all l.i:\bl"adOI", fc·H1] a par·t of th:is g r· (:1 ;:~ 1·: P r· o v ·i. n c e . I: F IAH:! '" r· r-=! to do 1-hat, comrnunicalions is going to b r-~ a v i. t a J. 1 i. n k . So , M r· . S p E:1 c1 k E~ r , I certainly hope that the Minister o f T r a n s p o r t a t. :i. o n lA I .i.

J. 1 a c q u ·i. e s c !':1 irr~ediately to the request made by I:. he pet .i. Li.OtlE!r's and prc-?.!ientr~ d IAI.i. th such fervor and presented with s u c h z ~~ iil 1. C\ n d s 1.1 c h f ~~ e l. ·i. n g a s I~ h E! mernbE:11~ just d:i.d. Mr. Speaker, J cannot overemphasi/a !':.he i.mportanco of E:1stabJ·.ish:i.ng ·l".:he pr·oper COHIHIUI'l-J.c;~I:·. -J. on l"i.nks in l..dbr·rHior', pctrticular1y as is requested by 1.: h o p r-d·. -j l: 'i. o rH'! r· !; +·. o rli:~ y f r:w . l'.l·w ChurchiJJ Falls I~Oi:ld.

I do not k n 01~1 1~1 h r,1 1·. h r,1 r· I: h r~ y ~; I: ·i.l.l. r· r~ 1::- o t' i: o it a~; thE:' Fl"~=!c,~dom I~Oc.ld. Wh~Hl I llkU> ·i. n C I'll I r· r: lri.l.l. r-· d ll ~; , ·i L 1~1.:-1 :; conunonly l"l~1FerJ~c;!d t.o 0\S thE:' Fr·eeclom Ror:~d . J U·1i.nk l:h.:-11' ~;ugg~~S'I . S hOIAI :JITipOI'''I'.rJI'lt :it IA.Ja~; t.'O L h I'! ~)( :! () p l 0 I i:

C) g i l) 0 '1-. I'll~ HI ,,, r: CC'! ~; :; 1-. 0 other areas of Labrador, pdr·t ·.tct.llal"ly t-:o Goose B;:·11J, b1.1i". ·i. t: 1. 1972 May 16, 19 88 Vol XL a J. S 0 g a V e t i1 em .a C C E! S S to participdte in fishing and thE! gr-·~:!al ls avaiJ.able all Churchill Falls Road. MR. KELLAND : Tt connects them t~o to be ablE! thc,1 gr'E!at hunL:i.ng that <:1l.ong l':hE! r· o 1.1 t. r~ 1-. o 1·.: h ~~ T s J. and , too . MR. LUSH: And, of course, as the member so PI"Op.::! l"l. y po 'i.ni": S oul, 'i. t conn(~ C 1:: ~; them to the transportation ~;yst:~~rn o F . Hw T :; l. <Hl d .

So "i. +·. g :i. v r-~ s 1':. h r;! rn freedom in more ways than one, r:r•r,1<-:!dC)I'fl fOt' gt'r,1i~l:r:1r' lr~I . S tlr " (" ! iHJd fi"E:1c,,dorn to b~~ clble l:o ~~E! L g1"c,1a I' E=!l" ,.., c c H ~' ~; 1: n ·1: h ,,1 T ~; l. ''' n r:l p ;:'ll" 1". of t. h n ProvincE:~. Mr·. SpE!akc-:H', it :is ont' of LhE! mosl' ·i.lnpor·l:.c"ln·l: t'Or:'lds ·in i·hr=! Pr'OlJi.nc(: :!, and one that I support and endorse lllhO.l.!':1i'lf:!rH''i:r-~dJ.y. T IAJOIIl.d i'lOFH;! l".·.h;:>J.I:'. the government will certainJy heed t·. he p r-:!

I ·~ :i. t: ion(:=! r· ~; .i. n t: h (:=! :i I" r· e q u (:=! s t for irnmedtate repairs and u p g r· a d :i. n g , IAIO r· k -i. n g , m s t h c-?. h o n . member suggested, from both ends so l:.hc~l: the,~ pc-?.oplr,1 can ·i.ITIITit.=:1d-i.atc'!ly use thE! road, and, then, to have a longer J·:r,H'HI J'fli.'l:i.ntr,Hlance of t.his road to put it on a par, as hE! sHys, '~r:i.l ... h UJP. road to Eskor 1.11hich, OVE!r' the years, hds ~H:!en a good r· o ad , ;:-\ 1 n <H' v r-~ J. l o u s r· o <.'\C~ . r h E! road to Esker·, agr.lin, Mr·.

SpE!ab =!r', T h ;:~ 'H~ d r· ·i. 'J (Hl o 'HH' rna n y , 1r1 a ny t i mE! s , f r om C h u r· c h i J. 1 t. o E s kc-:! I" , <'l n d r'! n j o 1J t=! d ,.~ l. l. o 1=- l'. h i. n g s . t: h a 1·: o n ('! E!njoys by dJ":iv.ing fi"Om Chur·chiJ] Fall~; 1·. o F s !< t;! I" . rJtl~. Sflf()KFf~ : Ord~~r, pJ Nlse! MR. LUSH: l n r: on,; l.11 s ·i on , l'-1r' . S p e i:\ k (::! r· , 1 strongly, IAiho le hear· u~d1 y sup po r· t.: ·1·. h · i, · ~; t ' ~~ q II f:! S 1". S 0 c:\ b l.

I) p (' f:! ~ ; (:;! n '1'.: 0 ci b 1j th:is dedicated and cornrnit:ted rn (:~ mi:H:H' r r· 0 HI Hw d "i ~d: r· ·i_ c I". 0 f No. 37 R1972

Ni:l s I< au pi.. SOME HON. MEMBERS: llc,~iH', hear·! MR. ~IPFAI<FR: Tl·w hon. l:i'H~ 1111-~~~"gou~H'I'Imen'laJ MR. f1(.')WF : r'l"i. n ·is ·Lrn· Affcd.I"S. M1". hon. Spr,~akor·, the II 1'1 f 0 (' '!': lll' li:~ 1: f:! 1. y M:i n j s t C.:!

Y' or l:ho of T r· a n s p o r· t i:·l '1: -i. o n h d d l': o s +: o p o 1 1 t: f o r a fc,HAJ rrd nutes but I L4JOuld be uei"Y p J. c,~ <:'1 s ~~ d , be c Fill s r,~ 'f. h ,,, l! r,~ had s o rn ~~ background in dealing with that p a. r· t 'i. c u 1. c:1 r· p i. c"! c ~:! o F r· o "' d o v E! r· t h r,~ yei:'lrs, and takE~ great pleasurE! in having hi:H1 cl nurnbt:H' of uir:~etings o u f:~ r t h ~::~ y e a r s wi t h t hE! c o u n c i 1 s in Labrador deal"i.ng with the start and, hopr:~fuJ.ly, the completion, in t:hr:~ not too d·ist.ant . futt.IY'(,~, of i:.he Tr·ans---1 atwador· H'.i.ghtAJCJ.Y of 1.uhich +.: h i s p r;l t' l': ·i. c u l. d r· r· o ;:,, d ~; (~ c 1". i. u n 'i. ~; d PiH't.

A nurnbc,H' of yc,~e:-:u·s ago, we i.dMll·.i.fir~d SOI(It;! HIOI'lr.~y fr'OIII l.:hH fr::!dt:~re:-::~J gouer·nmr:~nt l:o begin thE:~ c: o I fl pl. e 'i': ·i. o n o 1- a T r· Co\ n s ·· I . ~~ b t' i'l d o I'' I·Li ghway thr;d:. IAJouJ.d t-ake from I . i.~ b t' r:~ d () r· llll (~ s i: I ~~a b I I !) h ('\ n cl I. r:~ b t' d rl 0 t' C :i ·t y , 'l. hI" o l.t g h to c h u I" c h :i 1 J fa J 1 s r::t n d on 1-. o Coos r,~ f3 ,,, y . l1•l h P n ·1·. h 0. fJI'·~;t block of rnonE!Y I~Ji:J.S H .. l.lor:<:~'l': f'!t~, ·I:I'HH'C.:!

IJ.Jr,n•r:! '" nurnbrH' of rue wt-. :·i. n g s he J d , a numb e I" o f rout\':~ s pr·oposf~d, <·lnd, <'l!> hon. IIH'!IIIbl:!i"S 1~rl J J I"E:~fTIPfTI~HH', ctn E:~nvir'OI'lmc,~ntal i3\SSE'!SSIIIC'!ni'. S l:udy dOni'! on i'\ r:oupl.r:! of proposed routes. Specific HI c,~ Ed-. ·i. n g s IJ.JEH' t:! h P 1, d 1,~,ri. 1·. h L h r.~ j o 'i. n t counc:i 1s, the,~ counci1s from Happy Valley-Goose Bay, from Churchill. Fal1s, fl"orn Labrador City and Wr-.1bush, ask ·i.ng thc;!'i.r· -:i.nput.

"i.nt.o hOIAJ t.he expenditurE!S of these federal./provincia.l cost-shared programrnE!S should bE! carr·ied out, IAJ h c;! 1·: h E'! r' we s h o 1.1 l d , i. n f r:.1 c i~ , s L: "' r· -1.: and begin the construction of a new stretch of road, t-.he 1 .. 1.973 May :16, 1988 Vol XL unr:ou1pl.r~'l:ec:l st:r·f~i-.ch of r·oad between Labrador West and c h 1 1 r' dl'i. l. 1. F r::t 1. l s , o r· 1.~1 h E! t-:l·n:! r i.•l portion of the money should be s pr'! n 1: on 11 py r·;~d"i. ng d nr:l F-i.x·i. n g 1.1 p thE:~ F1"8C'!C:Iom Road as is r'E!f(,~lnrE~d to "i. n 1-. h ~~ pH 1·. ·i. ·1: i on .

T hr.=! d r.=! c --i_ s ·i. on fl"om- t.hE:1 po:i.nt I IAJant.E.~cl to make I -.1-w j r:l'i n {: c: o 1 1 n r: 'i.l s IJ.lr'l s 1-: h a t:. 1:: I'H'' fir· s t or· d C:H' of bus J n e ~; s , as rno l'l<c' y _ b f:! r: a 111 r=! d lJ i~ 'i. 1. i.·l b 1. r,, ·j n 1·: h e cost-shared agreement, shou1d be l·.hf~ .bll 'i.lc:l-i.ng of Lhr~ nr.:!IM r·or:·ld, dnd as more money became available and dS I~JH IJ.Jr'!l'l1-. i.nto o!-.hOI" COSt.-·-Shdl "(:' d progl"arnrnE!S, that money t:hE~n be 1.1 s EHI 1- o f "i. x 1.1 p i:·l n d 1.1 p g r· r:Hh~ H1 E! Freedom Road.

But in that first agreement, because of a particular problem associatE!d 1..1Jith, I gUE!SS, thC'! lar·gr:~sl:. br·"i.dg~'! 'i.n Lha-1'.: par·'l.·.·.icular· ar'E!a, a $2 rn:i.l1ion block of rnoney I.~Jas 1-:aken r:<tnd p1.11.: i.n 1-o I·.: hi'! I-: br· i.dgrc• IAI h :i. C h C 0 ITI p 1 E! ITI E! n l:'. E! d a 1"\ U ITI b E! Y' 0 f ol:hr,~r· bl" ' i.dgr,~s i·:hr:·l-1-: _i:he pr·ou"i.nc:i.dl goUE!r'nrnent had, :i.n add:i t::i.on t.o t: hE! rnd · i . n'i:f:!nr'lnC:f~ trlonr;!y, Funded cornp1etely along that network. 0 b l)"i.

I) II:; l 'J I· h ~~ t' () i'l d I'H~ (.~ d s ,,, substantial amount of addit::i.onaJ IAJCH'k, r'lnd I U·l'i.nk ihH po ·i.nl:s <H'r'! V€~1"Y Vclli.d, I just .· IAJiH1'l:C'!d t:o po'inl': out: t·:hcl'l H1Hr'n ·i:; ''' h ·i. s-Lor· ·i.cc·\1. sf:!qllt=H1CH ,,1s to how the money is being spent on 1: h ~~ s C:! c: o s i: .. !) h ''' 1" r.:! d p r· o g r· a HIIIW s , r.1 n d no'LIAdthstand-:i .ng that, -l:h(~I"C;! is cl n r.:! e d ·1--. o c:l o 1no r· f'! on 1--. h r:.1 t-. p d r· -t-. i. c 1.11. r:'l r· piece of road.

It ·.i.s Uw hope, <:·lnd { ·_ h(~ ln:i.n --i.sl~ f~r· ha~; i.rid:i.cal: :c,~d this on severaJ. occasions, and I h <:·\ v f~ as IAJf~ 1.1., 1: hat. i:'l !) IAJ(,~ g <~ t. :i. n t: o additional cost--sharE!d programrrtE!S, mnd hl)Pf:~fl.tl.l.y t·. hey IAJ"i.l.l not b(~ i.n thE! not too distant ftJture, that a s i.gn :i. F.i.cant-. por·l ·: "i.o n of rnonc,~y wo:i.11 be abJ.e to be spent not onJy IAJ o r· k ·i. n g o n b o 1: h e n d s o f t: h r,~ li:~xJ.sting FrE•edorn Road, but: the p 0 1·: (~ 1'1 i". i. r'll 0 f- b f~ CJ .i. n 1'1 ·j 1'1 CJ f r• 0 lfl No . 3 7 R1973

C h 1.1 r c h i.l J. F r.lll !> •:111 d wo r· k 'L n g towC~rds Labr·ador City, on the part that i.s not bui.J.t y<->.i::, and, i:'li': l ". h~~ same t'.i.rne, addrE!Ssing soiTIE! of thE! rnaj or· conc<-:'!rns on the Fr·r.~edow l~oad. Tt: i.s V<-:'!ry Jrnpor·t.anl': fr'OITI i'1n economic and social and tourism p <->. r· s p e c ·t :i. v <,1 , f r· o m U1 e l .. i f e o f 1:'. h E:1 peop] ~~ ] :iving :in Labrador and thE:1 r·~1l.c::tt::i.onsh:i.ps that hi:\V<->. bE:!E~n bu-i.ll-. up over the years bE!tiAJeen Chur·ch:i.l.l. Falls i'1nci GoosE~ Ray.

T i··. h :i. n k , t hat. p ,,, r' ·1·. i c u 1. a r' p .i. r-:1 c o of road is important for aJl the p<-:'!Oplf:1. U : i.s :i.uJpor· l:dnt for· r~E~IAifoundJand to haVt::1 thi:lt 1noad con rH~ r: +: "i. o n -i, rn p r' o IH~ d s o ·I: h ,·~ 1: 1: h ~~ dl":ivjng condj ·t':ions ar·~1 that. much b (~ l': l': n r' f o t' ·1: h 1:1 p t-~ o p l r,Y -''' h o h •'11) I'! i: o I .I~;~) :i. t . So , I d o n o I: 1': h i. n k I: h r:! t' H ·i 1; d n IJ q u E~ s l '.i o n I M r · . S p E~ <~ k <->. I" , t· h cl 1: tAl 1::1 I o n I: h i. s s i cl () I s 1.1 p p 0 I" ·i: I: h r,1 pI" i.·\1) C:! r'

C) rc 'I' hE! pE~Li t'.i on. :r i'liTI ~'LII"E! the hon . l:hE! ul'i.n-isl :or' t~dll. addr'E~ss t~Jhi:\l-.cc1lHH' j num~dj at<->. sol utj ons hE~ can haVE! wi.Lh i:ho pr·obl.r-?.lfl, btJ·I·. T l:.h"i.nk 14Jr;! d 1 J h a v e to work toward s that lo ng-t <-?. Y'lfl so l.u t: .i. on of Jd (,1n·l:·i fy :i. ng additional funding so that the whole road network is completed to s u c h a s tan dar d that it wi 11 be able to be used for the intent. Ther'E! -i.s going to b£~ ·i.n t: h£!! f'u1"11r'<->. a problE:Hfl 1 as is ident:i.fied :in the p 1'::1 t i. t 'i. o n , ;·,, ~; i 1:. r' £~ l. <.·\ 1·. P s ~· o ser·v·:u:es.

It wj 11 be a uast si·.rel':<:h oF h · i . ghr~k1Y l.:l'l•:ti: ul'i.ll r'lll'l fr'OITI l.r.lbrador· c·:Lt y and Wabush !:hr·ough Chur·clr i. l.l. F.~ ... ll s t:'li'ld ·i ni·o GOOSE>. Bc:ty IAJ.i.th E~SS~Hll:ia]Jy just: i'.I'H'fH'! fH)·inl'.s of . r:-iiJil.izal ·.·i.on, i.f yotJ tAr.i11, or· arnen:i·UE:1~; c-Hld h:ighiMay sHr't)i . cHs, HIJ,~"i . l i'1bl r:1 l·.o l:r'<':\I)Hl-1 r.~r·s on that l"oad ~nd cel"lcdnJy thE! F 1.1 I: 1 1 r' H 1~1 -i. l l h •'tiJ 1,~ I: o · ·i. d ~~ n I: i. f IJ i·l l'nE~di'IS of iitddi"OSS:ing l::hi'.lt:. p d r' '1': -j c: 1.11 d t' c o n c t=! r' n .

L.19 7 4· May 16~ 1988 Uo] XI... pr;:~y(;!r of UH'! pwU. I·. 'lon and 1.u:i. l:'.h the har·d work of my col J eague, thE! M-J.rl'i s t: or of T r' iHJ s fHH' ·t.;:., t .ion , T et 111 sure a neuJ ag1neement is not too far .i.n t:h<,~ ftll· :ur · r,~ wh:i.ch w:i l. l SE~<'! c1 large expenditure of money being iitbJ.c,1 '1':0 bE~ Sfl(c11'll: Ol'l l·:hi.'lt. pi:tl"'l: Of thE! road as IAJE:11l as on thE:! l .. c.·1br · ;:~dor' Cit.:y ..... w,:~bush to Chur·ch ·i. 1 l FalJ.s Road. Orders of the Day DR. COLLTI\IS : Mot: . .i.on S. ME:~ech Lake . MR. SPEAKER: Mol: -ion !J.

TI'JdL dob;•, ·l·.(>. tAJ<'1S adj OlH'I1E!d by thE:~ hon. t:l'i(! ITIE!rnber· for· I·I·H:! ~·) · l:l"t'l'il: of flt:!l l n Jc; "l, ('! l'tnd he~ hH~ U·J'i.l·'·I:Pnn HIJ.nuh~s l.£:1f'i':. 'I" l·w h o n . L h n rn n rni:H'! r' f o I" ll'w ~ : H. r' 1'1 i l:: of BeJh~ IsJ~::1. MR. DECKER : Mt·. ~)FH'!•'1k(;!r', l ~~Jas addr·~)ss · i.ng t.h<;! amendment IAihich was put foriAiard by Ul<o1 lllf:HnbN' for' ::>i-_ . B C.H' bE:~ ( l\-1r' . Furey). We see a clE1ar IAJE!al<nE!SS ··i. 11 t h E~ ME~ <-:1 c h L 1:1 k c;!

A c c o r· d .i. f '.'i. t:. i. s allotAted to go through as i.t is, and I w.i.l.l just recapitulate a fetAl of the1 points I IAJas ITii:~ldng tl'wrE! .. The 1.11 P. i~ k n e s s l·: h i'l. i: tAl <c1 s <'! r-:1 i. n t.: h 'i s proposed ME1ech Lake Accord IAJhich, as I said, Mrs. Cmrsta~rs, t.hankful.ly, is going ·to pr·eiJent:.­ s he -i s p .:-1 s s t n•::J j u d g •'! rn £'! n t: on t: h H reality and saying that it '.'is uery 11n'J.-i.l<nllj -i. ·i'. I.IJi."l.l. (;JO 't:h1"011qh ~;o our discussion is onl.y academ:ic ,,, n IJ IAk\ IJ , i : h i.-1 n k s b n I: o g o o d n r.~ s s !

T ·f it had not. bc,'~:!l'l Fol" MI"S. C"' t' !; 1'. .:~ .. , t' s I i. F i +. had no 'l'. b ,.,! ('! n for ' the l"eaJ:i.ty o-f what ·is happE!I'I'.ing :i n c O:Hlr'1 d H i'. 0 d "' y I 'i. f i:lri. s r"' C·H'! c h L. akt::1 Accol"d had b<c1C0Tfl(;! a pc\1"'1'' or Hw Con~;i:i.i'.11i·i . on oF C<:Hh'tdr.~~ I~H'! S('!('! a very cJear weaknoss where al l i:hr,~ fli"OlJ'i , ncr.~~; <H'H noi : l:I"Hi'\h'!C:I dS No. 37 rn974

being equa 1.. that 1.ue Sf::'e Accord. Thi:lt ·i.s in Hds HH?. IAJ(~dk I')(~ s s MeE:1ch Lake W1~ sc-~E?. nirl!:! pr'OIJ.incE~s 1~1h "i.c h I~HH'8 t I"E~et'l:E-1d j 1'1 one lAli'.lY cHid l.IJ(~ S (H1 911\o!boc 9 'i.IJIHI spnc .. i.i:·\l ~;h:·\1'.11:;. Tlri.~; iUii81'1dfiiEHI'[· i'ltl:EHrlp[~; to hi::!VE! 1\]C.'!I~JFOIII'ldl..:-~nd "[ ·j kc-~l)li ~;1,1 i'.l"Odi·l"!d i'l~) i.·\ ~pecictl soc:iety, we want NE!I.~JFOIII'ldlan'l to bo g-i..lJf'!l'l :;p!'!C ·L,itl s~atus in Cctnetdet . NOlAJ, I~J(~ h(:1<:'\l"d tl'i(:1 Pln(:'fldEH' l:.oday s <·\ 1J t h d t. n o 111 d 1. I: fo! r· 1~1 h i:·\ 1·. 1': h t"!

Opposition or· no mat:ter· lAJhat any o +.: I·H:! r 9 I" o 1.1 p o f' p f~ o p l. ~~ c o 111 n 1 1 fl l~r:j t h , 'I h j S M E! E! C h 1... a k E! A C C 0 r d lAJ'.i 11 b c.;! p ~~ ~; s C.;! d -i. n t h i. s H o u ~'c.;! 1~1-i. l: h o 1.1 l: amendment. Now, Mr. Speaker, I havE'! to agr·e('! IJJ'il":.h 1.~1hc:~~ thE~ Premier · is saying. It tAli 11 bE! p a s s c-'! d l..IJ"i. 1: h o u t a 1 n <"! n d lfl c,Hl 1:. , o f ~curse. In the end, simple 1na t hc;!nli:\t. i. c s ~~J " i.ll. d ehH'rn-L nf~ t:ha 1" .. More members sit on the other side of the-?. House->.

Lhan sJI': on l::h:i.s s i.dE! of thc,1 Housc,1, and if :i.t :i.s !:heir 'i.nl·:enl ... :i.on 1".0 go by t:hn old r.'lclr:·\9~~ that might js right, regardJess of IAJ he HHH' nd 9 h t c o ul. d p o s s :i. b l. y b o 11.Jrong or tl'l(:H'e m:ight bE:1 sorrJ('! "i.rnprovfHrJr,~n · l: l·:o 'l:hr,~ pos ·i +: ·ion oF ndght, jf they ar•c,1 going to c o rd: ·i. n 11 f~ 1: o ·U·\ kf~ ·I':I·J'i. ~; p o s i. 1: · i o n , t h E:Hl t. h ~H' ('! j !\ 1'1 0 t: l: 0 0 Til U C h l'f1 (:1 m l:l (:H' S on l:h·i s c; ·i clr,1 or i:he IIOI.ISt'!

Ci.'\1'1 rio dbout .it. ~)O, PVPI'I though IAH~ iH'Cc1 pU"l:.'t.:ing F 0 r·t~Ji:'l Y' c:f t h i. ~; r:Url f'! 1'1 d IIIEHI i: , 1;)(,1 !< 1'1 01)) thc'lt rnJghL tAdll outlAJe:igh us Jn th('! '"!nd. But: l'l'i.sl:or·y l;ri .l'l. si'IOIAJ, Mr·. SpeakPI", thcd:. at least membc,1rs on i:: h J S S J. Ck! 0 f 1: h f-) J-1 0 Ll S fo! 1·. I" ·i. H d I: 0 am~::1nd this Constitution, and that I~Jhc-'!n +:.his I~Ji'\S ck!bat:ed .i.n thi.~; House, ther·e were at J.east fJfteen l'llf'!lllbl::! I" s IAJh o lAJ(;! r· fo! pr· c,1 par c,1d 1". o s I:. and up on bd1alf of NE!lJJfound1and. Mr.

S p c,1 a I< c,1 r· , c.;! v c->. n i. f '"'J f'! d o s E'! f:! o 1.1 r· amendment defeated, I will stand Up i'l S i':l Hid n and bC'! C 01.1 n l" E'!d I~JhCHI T May 16, 1988 Vol. XI... I)() t (,1 I.Yt J.l for be l:lri. :; Hrnr-?.ndnHHII:. and r able to teJ 1 my gr'6tndch-i.l.dr·r.~n i"hr.·\1'·. t.hE:!r'c,1 IAJc\S a ·t:ime, in 1988, when I had the pr··i. lJ~i.l.r~gr,1 oF s ·l:<.·\nd i.ng 11p on bc,1 hi:'tlf of NE:11J.Jfound1 and and insist:in9 that I;Jl·'! br:! 9'i.vnn l·.hH !>i'\lflt'! tl"fo!r:'li:.rnc;!nl··. as Quebec . I bPlJeve that w:ill be l"l~l~l<:'lr'd nno119h ·i.n ·i h;r~l f, l'-1r·.

SpE~al<c,1r, that I can s l:iu1d up ancl !; r·\ IJ 1-. h.:·\ ·I· I;Jh on ''' go tJ n r· nnH'! n 1: had gone mad, when a government go!'.: l : o<.!Jr~:l'.hr;!r' I;J"i.l.ll ~>OIIlf'! o 1:.1·1<''1" gOVCc1r'l'lfTIE!nts i3.nd bc,1CaUS('! SOrTIE'! of l: h : '! rn I;H,1 r· C'! i . ·i. r· f'! d f'l n d s l P fo! p IJ b fo! c <.~ u s f'! t.hE! night lAJas IAJ<,'ar·:ing on LhE:!y d ~~ c ·i. c:l t'! c:l , 1 ~\Jc:! l l , l o o k , I~JP rn-i. q hI. just as IAJel] agi"E!l':' and g€:d: out:. oF h H Y' f?. , IAJC~ Tfl"i. 9 h t j 1.1 S 1~. d !) 14JC'! l. J. q ~;, (:: something that 1./Je can all put OUI" s . i.gnRI~IH'r:~s l".

O, 1 IAJf'!, on Uds ~;icl€'' of the House, wi11 say thai'.: we 1Mf'!r'C:1 not c;:\rT"i.c,,d F.IIAli:-lY i.n Lhe panic, lAJE! IJ.H:•re not forCE!d into cl o 'i. n 9 ~; ~) 1 n C'! l: h i. n g ·1". h i;t t. IAI (o! d 'i d no 1:. belieVE! in and, thE!reforE!, t;.JE! s 1': o o d f o r· 1\J c;! I;.Jf o u n d 1 a n d . T lri S c:·\ HI 1'! 1·1 d II HHI '1'. IAI 0 I I l. d r• c,Hn C;! d y S 0 l'fiC'! of the probJ ems in Ulis ME!~~ch LakE• () c cor· d , M r· .

S p f~ •:·\ I< f'! r· . '( r· l"! for· r' e cl to it the last time I spoke as the M 0 (~ r: h I. c:•\ k (,1 I r:l·i. ~; c () r· d I • b f'! c "'1 .1 ~=· (! ·i. l: is a euphemism if ever I heard orw, ·i. 1: ·i !) n11phr,1Hri.s 1:-i.r: l".o r·r::d::-EH' f·.o t:.he ME!f~ch LakE:~ C\S C~n clCCOI"d. The'! lfJOr'l-~ i:'l pp;'l)flr' "i.d i:c~ I~J(H'd I~Jr)II-J d b~; ! thf:!

M f:1 e c h 1.. a k e 1 d j s co r· d . 1 I IAJ a s g ·i tri ng s Olftc~ oF 1'. h o I" t'! '''so 1·1 s L<Jh 1J , .i. n my opinion, Newfound1and can be c o n s :i. d t'! r· 1,1 d "' 1 1 n ·i. q r 1 e s o c ·i. c,1 i: IJ "i. f QuE~bE~c Js cons:i.dE!r'c,1d a un:i.qUE! s o c "i. c;! 1. y . T g a IJ ,.~ "' "1. "i s i" o F r· r::! a ~; o n s and no1AJ, Mr·. SpE:!akc,H', I IAJi].] conl':: :i.nllc '! on IAri. l'.h d fc,11;.J I'TIOr'f'!.

A not. h HI" F r::! i:'' ·i·. 1.1 r· fo! <:\ b o u 1:: Newfoundland; which shoiAJs us a br-~ · i.ng rJ'i.f'fE~r·c,,nt·. fr'Oifl l·.hf'! r·esl: of thE! nation, is our music IAJh:l.ch Js c o n t. a ·i. n C'! d 'i. n o u r· f o 1 k s o n q s . I d o not believe there is another p r· o lJ :J n c f'! .i. n s i. d ~'! C d n a cl a 1.~1 h '.'i. c h c o u 1 d No. 37 Rl975

Spi.'!IAII'l i'\ poet~ Cdpclbl. r ~ of I~Jt'i. H. ng the:~ words of Let Me Fish Of-f Cape s t . Mary I s . I d 0 n 0 t: k n CJI~l 0 r d n y other· pr·ov-.incc-:1 :in IAlhtch stlch a S 0 rl g C 0 U l. cJ h r'\ V 8 b f~ ~~ rl lA) Y' i. f: t ~1 rl . Ml~. W. CAinFR : Jim 1 s father wrote it . MR. DFCKER: Yc->.s, t.he son of ~.he !Alr''i.1 ... er· ·i s sitt.:ing with us in the House of Assembly today, Jim Kelland. The approprlateness of these words so1~t of transcends timE!, Mr. S p c,1 m k r::! r· .

J u s i·: 1··. h -L n I< o f 1.. h ~~ ,:,, d u -L c (,1 Ill h j c h tJ.d 1 1 b E! s o a p p r· o p ,~ :i a t e a n d so Y'(o'l!~VrHll: i:o lflf~ lrlbHrs on Uw ot-hc,!r s:idE!, e~ftc->.r· l:hc,1 next f~l.C'!C i·:i.on . Thr-~ ~;ong i ~; l.et Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary•s, and hc:!r' r,1 ·j ~; UH~ i'ldtJ i 1:r,1 l:o Uw hon. i:/'w P l" f~ nri c-1 l" i'.l n d rn c->. r11 b c->. I" ~; o n t h c,, o t h c,1 r s ·i clo of · l . hr-~ IIOII~>•''!: 11 1t·lhf~n •llY dor·y r a :i l ~; to n 1 i'l. !«~ j ~ /1.. wt: rn e b 1.'1 a rn i'Hl r:•\ 1'1 cJ i". 1:·\ !< (,' ·i. i-. . 11 [7 0 r• r'\ l l. b II i: 'i'. h t·:!

M'.i n .i stEH' of Jtn;t.-i . CE! (Ms Ue1"gc-:1), i·.h;'l ·i·. "i.s Ol.li·.sl· .r:·\nd·ing r.\c:ltJi. r:(,1, 11n ·i.q111:! to t.h:is Pr·ovincH. OnJ.y 1\J (o1Wf 0 1.1 n c:ll. r:~ 1'1 d C ()Ill . d h i'•\ l) 8 pI 11: fol"lllar·d such c~ song. MR . W. CARTER : RHpeat the J.ine Rg~in. MR . DF.:CKt=:R: 11 When my dory fails to make it/Let rne be a rnan and ta k c,1 .i. t. 1' MR . W. CARTER : Now, tell thern what a dory is. MR. Df:CKFR : My co ] lE!i'A91Hl fOI" TtAri 11 :i.ngat<,1 says, 11 NOIAI, t:Pll . l:hr·:!lrl IAlhr:·\1: a dor·y i.s. 11 Th<:~t says :i.t all.

R~'!causE! any gotJC;!r' ntllf Hil: l:hi'·\l: IMOIIl.d r.1llo1M Un,' oti· I~)Y' pl"ov'.i.nc~~s to tt~E:~at 1\J~=!IAlfoundl . r HH' I r-\~; ,~ny i'.h i.ng b111. un:iquE-1, T IAIOU'.ld hauC'! to quf'!St:ion IAJhf~ · l : hrH' Ot' no1 ·. i:hf :!y knOIAI , IAJhdl. r\ do 1·· y :is . T h ~~ y a r· c-:1 c ,,, I" t: a j n 1 y I 1976 Mr:·lY 16, 1.9813 lJol. XI.. d · ilJI)rcr,~d Frorn 1-.1-w r·r-~al · i. 1 : y of Net/Jfoundland.

Thc,1y do not know a '''hol ,.,! l.ol : r:-~bout N~~wfoLlndl.r.-:tnd cultur·e; they do not knotAI IAlhat a dor· y i .s, t.·\ 111oi'.or · boc:~l .: , r:-~ punt, a sld.ff, a SCOIAI, or iHlY Of thE!S8 '"''or·ds t.ht.-\1: '''~'! on i·.:h .. i s s'.i.dc.;! ar' E! rl l l familiar IAJ:i.th, thOSE! of U S IAlhO !<notAl I\Jc,11Alfoundland Cltli::IH'C '!. Mr· . SpeakE!r, lJJ~ : ! are d:i.ff~~rent becaUSE! of Lhr,1 songs t:hat our· folk l. or·~;! put foriJJar·d .

Another reason I bel i eve we can i:~r·g1tr: ! ,,,r-~ ar'f:1 a d"i.st. i. nct. socJ~: !t:. y tAlithin Canada and 1.~1e should haV E! s•p(,1 c ·i.i'\ l. s t·.d i:u s ·i !; I:H~ CiHI ~; r,1 '· u nl. i. k E! any other province in the DorninJon or Ci:Hlddd, IAIH, ()IJI" ~; ~ : !lV<'!S, Nc-:1tAlfoundland its E,J.f 1.o~1as on c e a ni:~l:'i.on. lJ\]1·~ IAwr·r,, onr:r~ d Dour'i.rl"ion, Mr·. Sp~~ake:11n. I am s ur·c,~ rn~:!rnbE•l" s oppO!; ·j l·e •H'r~ f',-~HI.i.l ."i. cH' IAJi l:h tht:! s ·lolny of hOIAI IAIE'! I.~IE~I"B an ·i. n d o p n n rl C! 1'1 I· , ~; H ., ·F -q o v ('! r· n · i_ n g nation .

We all. know abou t our h ·i.sl·:Ot' Y r'\l'ld IAlhr'll: hdflflC!I'lf '!d i:O US . 11 1.1 1'. l. (,, 1: u s no 1... for· g f'! 1:. , :i. n t h c;! wisdom of the people who s igned 1':hr,1 Tc->.t'lns of I.Jnt on tJ.ri. t:.h the;! DomJ.ni.on of Canada, t:hE!Y rnaciE! pro tri. s -L o n tl'kl 1: o rw rn-i. n 1.1'1': c;! b c->. f CH' ~ ~ the document was finally s igned, 1.•.1~~ rc->.ver··~.r-~d onr:f'! aga ·i.n l::o Dorn i.n"i.on status. So tJ.lhE!n thE! merni:H:!rs sat r:lmon t.o si.gn the;! Tc.;!r'HIS oF Uni.on, it tJ.la s not a co 1 on y de ell i. n g · t.o~d t: h i~\nothC'!r na ·t: "i, on, 'i':hE'!Y'C;!

IAldS t:IAJO nati.ons. Two nations IAlho stgned l:: he THr·rns of Un i .on . l.Pt: u s not: forget that.. ~~hf : !n peoplp r:·\r:r·oss l·.: h"i. !=; l'liitt.i .on refer to Newfoundland as i f we IM! r·1,1 so 1111,1 co 1 on y l·: lvt l". l': h r~ y t a c k P d on to l:he East coast of Canada, l. P 1: I I ~ ; I: ( ~ 1 1 i : h C! I'll I~J h <d·. I" ~H~ "1. l. y l'li'-tppened. W<,1 l.o~IE:11"(,1 a nat ·:.Lon. WE! I~H:!t'e a DnHI'i.n "i. on. ll\lH IAJ C: !Y'\~ onl".j.tl<,1cl to thE:! motto, 'Fr·om Sl''a to .~3oe~ 1 , tH'{~nJ ·' 0 l · hr ~ D0111'i.nion oF Cdnacl <.'t t~Ja s entJ1led to that motto, Mr. 1\Jo. :n R1.976

Speaker. We were a Dominion self-governing. We reverted that status one minutE:~ before Tenns of Urd.on tAii_l--.h Canada signed back in 1949. and to 'thE! ThE:~ lr·j~;h havc~1 a song tAJhE:1rc~~ -they long i~o bf:! , .. , n,_,, 1·. -i.on, 'A na J:·i.on one~~ ngc:Li.n,' the r~~frcd n loH~~ps go "i. n g . T 1~ri s h 1-.l·H:! M ·i. t'l'i. s ·1·. I'! t' of Publ-:ic Wor·ks tAJas hc,~r'C-;!, hc,1 IAJouJd fl t' 0 b d b l y S "i, 1'1 9 'i 1: f 0 t' I I !) • W 0 ., l , f I~J'.'i.l J '1. ~:! l l. h 0 l'l . ITI("! ffl b E:H' S : W ~~ IAlf:H' e d n ;:~ i --j on on,; f~ i:~ g d i n .

T t-. ~~Jr:'t !; n-1cogn:i:IE-!d by the tAJholc~ IAIOt"]d '1-hr.:d: I~Jhf~rl i:hr,1 .. ,..Ot'IW> Of lJniOI'l IAH~t'H sjgnr:'d b~~ · t-1~tec,1n NC'!I.~Jfoundland 1:1nd Canr:·U:IH J I~J(~ I~IHI"f~ - ~; · i . gn i.ng -1-.hnm r:~s -two n d t :ions j n ever· y s ens(>. of the IAHH'd . 'f. f IAJ (,) d ·i_ d 1'1 () t hi:-\ V (,~ 0 1.11" S p f~ C: i. <:1 1. 1anguage, :if we d:i.d not have our sp~~ctal. fol.k1or'E!, i.r= t.•.Jf'! d'i.d no+-. have our special folk songs, s u r· f>. l. y L h c,1 fa c i: t. hat. uw IAH:! r' (:1 ''' nation in our own right, ~hat, above ml.l. ol:.hc-:!r' r·c;>i:-1snns, tAJould make us equal t.~.d.t:h thE!

Dominion of Cc:~nada. That IAJoul.d gi.tH-:1 us ev~Ht rnor·e r·:ight than Quc,~bec to be t. r· eat E! d IAJi. t: h s p E:! c ·i. <Yt 1 c: on s .i d H r' a 1: 'i. on 'in t:h:is Meech l.ake 'djscord,' Mr. Spc;!a.kf:!r. T h C'! t" f~ iH' r~ <.~ ,,JI·l o 1. C:! l i. ~> i·. of o Hlf~ r· I" ~~ i'A S 0 1'1 S . J C 0 U ] d g 0 0 l'l . J C 0 U ] d t"P.ft=!r' 'i:o dc;!nOtll"i . n<·1 · i·: ·i.onr:~l. f'!dttr:r.~l:·i.on, ft"Ofll I~JI't·.i.ch W~:! IAIArC'! gjvEHl Spf~C:ia] sl'.r'ti'.tt!;, TI·H:! Pr'nttri''!t' l·holtr_3hl: hH could ~~E:!(,1 ~;ornE:~ poJ:it:i.cc-tl pcrini:s, 9 r c."' b d 9 r'

I) I I p 0 f~ C: hI I r' C h l f~ <·1 cl C:! r' !; , c:>lnd l"c'HI on up t·o Ottdt~JC:t sorn~>. ·yc,1i9.lns <.'·l<;:JO, dt'ld pr'HdChf '! d i:h<'1t: I~Jf:! !ihOitld be tre~ted spec'ialJy because of o 1.1 r d E:! no 1ft i. n ,:-, t ·i. o n a l. fHitl c: ;:-H: i. o n . Our cJ.imah '! lrtHkE=!s us di.ffr,H'r,Hll-. T. suppOSE!, J.c;d:. us not-.

OVE!rl.ook the fact. that. ot.tr' hi.9h t.II'H~rnployuH;!t'lt: nd:.e :is a d:isgr·ace IArithin Canada, "i.t. -is a d i.sgr'aCE! t n 1::1·1(-=~ 1J.JOr'ld I that high unemployment rate, L1.9'77 Mc:1Y 1.6, 1.9B8 Vol XI. surely goodness, must ITIE!an for us s p f:1 c i. a l t r f~ a 1·: rn E:1 n ·J·. . :r f --i. t. IAI E! r' e n o t for the fact that IAIE! IAIE!InE! OrtCE! a n i:1 i: i. on , 1-: h a 1·.: tAlE:! h r:'l ~~ (;! r:~ s p E:1 c :i. a 1 unique culture, that IAJe have a spor:i<:1l folkloro, :i.f ·.i ·l: ~~Jf:'lS not. for· a] 1 of thE!SE! reasons, thE! fact:. ·l·. hr'ti·: t)J::! hdiJt'!

SitCh .:-~n unbHl:i.Hvnbl.y hjgh unernpJoyrnE!nl r'cl'l:.e shouJ.d g:i.ve 11s ~;pr~r:t . <.'ll. ~;1· .• :·11:115 t~J·i.t·.h'i.n Canadr:'t. Mr· . Sprc'dkC!t", yo11 hdV<'! l:old IIH'! T. h 151 V e. 011 J. y g 0 t a f E:!IAI ITIJ l'l 1.1 l E! S l E'! f t I· I) <; p 1~ i·1 k . f h i·HJ H l . i ~; i·.f:! cl r'-1 I~J h 0 '1 ('' Jot:. of r'f:1i~SOI'IS why Nc;n.~.tfound] and j s cl ·i. ~; I: ·i. n c 1: . ~) o 1 n f~ o n f'! trt"i. g h -1-. s d y , ' B u r_ so :is quE!bE!C, 1 and I IAJou] d hav~:! Lo i.·19l"f'!f~ i:o+·.dJ.ly 1-.h,:·d·. QIIE'!bHC "iS uniqUE!. Somc"!OI'lE!

E!lSE! could say, 'But so Js No'H~ Scot. ·i.r:1. l. oo!< i."' t.: ·1·-.1-l(;!·Lr· Scottish anCE!stry, look at: t:hEd r' ·f o l. k J. o r· ~~ , l o o k r:'t 1·: t: h E:! oi. r· 9 h o s t stortes, look at. IAJhE!rE• th~~Y CciiTIE!· fr·om and IAJh(H'O I: hoy iH'(:! goj_ng,' and I IAJould hdV E! to ag r<;!E!. So is N o v i'.'l S c o t. "i. a 1.1 n J. q u c-:1 . A n cl s ornE~ o n E! wouJ.d say, 'So :i.s New Bt"unsw:.i.ck 1.1 n ·i que , ' i'l n d T would ,_.., g r· E~ H , so i. s NeiAI Brunswick unique.

We could take every province a c r' o s !; -1-. h ·i. s g r' f'! <'·l 1·: Do rn .i rl'i on and every one of us have something c;poc · i.-~-1 1--.o br· 'i. ng ·inl--.o t:hi . s Confedet"at:ion, dnd WE:~ iH'E! pt"oud of' ·j I~ I r~ r' . ~) p (~ i-l k l~! t' . ~,J (~ d IH (.:! p r' 0 1,1 d 0 -r· :it-! Thc:1t is what mah's Canada g r' n d l· , b :=! c: "''' ~; ~~ lAW .:-~ r' f'! 1-. f:! n C:! q u i''ll , un:.LqtH-:1 pr·ov-.i ncf:~s, i.'lJ J of wh::i.ch h i·\I,J H !) pH ci. ,:-, 'I !; l-. i:l 1-.

II s ! r h i.'·1 '1: ·j s IAI h i"l L makes Canada IAihal she :i.s today, r.'-Hl!L l:hi·11·: ·i!; I~Jhr:'ll : T hopn ~;hH tAri.'ll ever be, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMBERS: I·IEHH' J h~:!iH'! MR. DECI<ER: ---·----··-So when put atnE:! ndm~~ nt, t~Je unreasonablr::1ness of No. :l7 this \:.hE! forward know l:hE! ITIE!rrtbE!rS R1.9'7'7

ouE-H' thE:~n~; 1.ue knew that the-:! Pr·eul"i.fH' IAJi~~; goi.nq ·l·.o Si·\Y, no, no, no; we knE~I~I l: ha'l". thc,!y IJ.IE:~re-:! going [-. 0 t' ·i. d ~~ Y' 0 1,1 g h !) h 0 d () lJ I'! t' II 5 , b f~ C i~ II S P thf-~Y have tiH:! major:ity. They ar·e n o 1.: g o .. i. n g i' o l. J s 1': r.;! n l'. o r· r-~ i'!l s o n . Th~'!Y a1"~:! not going t:o ltsten to an o L h r-?. r poi. n 1: o F lJ :i r,~~~~ . ~'\le ki'H~I~J thai·., but.

IAit~ pul·: f<H'IAJat•d Ud s anHHidrnent l:o let t·Jw peopJ.r:' of Newfoundldnd know that iF Quebec gets special status, Newfoundland should have spec~al status, and New Brunswick should have spe-!!cial stat:1~s, and E:W~H'Y Province in this Dominion should have sp<"lc"i.a1. st.bltus. Th'·~n and only then, will we stand up and suppor·t 'i':h"i.s Mf:~f!!Ch l..akc;! nccor·d. We might eVE!n conSE!n'l: to caJ.J. it an mccord, 1:·\S opposr.:!d 1'·.o rl"i.scor·cl. M r· . !1 p o "' l<r:! r· , i. n c l. n s i. n g T. IAJr:-\1'1 ·I: 1·. o Si:-.ll/ IAif:~ l<i'IOIAI