Manitoba Hansard — 27 November 2023 (Sitting 6, 43rd Legislature, 1st Session)

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Manitoba — Debates (Hansard)

First Session – Forty-Third Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Tom Lindsey Speaker Vol. LXXVIII No. 6 - 1:30 p.m., Monday, November 27, 2023 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Third Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALTOMARE, Nello, Hon. Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma, Hon. Union Station NDP BALCAEN, Wayne Brandon West PC BEREZA, Jeff Portage la Prairie PC BLASHKO, Tyler Lagimodière NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian, Hon. Keewatinook NDP BYRAM, Jodie Agassiz PC CABLE, Renée, Hon. Southdale NDP CHEN, Jennifer Fort Richmond NDP COOK, Kathleen Roblin PC CROSS, Billie Seine River NDP DELA CRUZ, Jelynn Radisson NDP DEVGAN, JD McPhillips NDP EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni, Hon. St.

Johns NDP GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC HIEBERT, Carrie Morden-Winkler PC JACKSON, Grant Spruce Woods PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC KENNEDY, Nellie Assiniboia NDP KHAN, Obby Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP KING, Trevor Lakeside PC KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Dauphin NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom, Hon. Flin Flon NDP LOISELLE, Robert St. Boniface NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya, Hon. Notre Dame NDP MOROZ, Mike River Heights NDP MOSES, Jamie, Hon. St.

Vital NDP MOYES, Mike Riel NDP NARTH, Konrad La Vérendrye PC NAYLOR, Lisa, Hon. Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC OXENHAM, Logan Kirkfield Park NDP PANKRATZ, David Waverley NDP PERCHOTTE, Richard Selkirk PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP SALA, Adrien, Hon. St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHMIDT, Tracy, Hon. Rossmere NDP SCHOTT, Rachelle Kildonan-River East NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SIMARD, Glen, Hon. Brandon East NDP SMITH, Bernadette, Hon.

Point Douglas NDP STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STONE, Lauren Midland PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt, Hon. Concordia NDP WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC

125 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Monday, November 27, 2023 The House met at 1:30 p.m. The Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperi ty of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, and that we may seek it with wisdom, know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen.

We acknowledge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline and Nehethowuk nations. We a cknowledge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed t o working in partnership with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration. Please be seated.

MATTER OF PRIVILEGE Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): On a matter of privilege. The Speaker: The Official Opposition House Leader, on a matter of privilege. Mr. Johnson: Honourable Speaker, a matter of privilege is a very serious matter. It should not be raised often or lightly. I rise on an im portant matter that relates to the deliberate misleading of the House, which occurred in question period this past Friday, November 24.

During those proceedings, the First Minister, in responding to a question, put false information on the record, infor- mation that he would have personally known to be incorrect as it related specific ally to his often –office and his directions. As is well known by you and others, Honourable Speaker, deliberately meeting–misleading the House is a specific and serious violation of privileges, as it is noted on page 83 of the house in commons–House of Commons Procedure and Practice.

It strikes at the heart of the ability for all hon ourable members to perform their duties, as we spe cifically rely on the information that is provided in this House to act on matters important to our individual constituents and Manitobans collectively. As the first test is one of timeliness, I submit to you, Honour able Speaker, that this was my earliest opportunity to raise this matter, as it is the first oppor- tunity after which Hansard could be reviewed fol - lowing the last question period of November 24.

I wanted to review Hansard and the video broad- cast to confirm what was said as well as confirm the facts that I will now outline. During that question peri od, the Premier (Mr. Kinew) accused the hon ourable Leader of the Official Opposition (Ms. Stefanson) of firing Michael Swistun from the economic development secretariat. Specifically, and I quote the Premier: Let the record show it was the Leader of the Opposition and her clerk that fired the people that she is referring to.

On its face, Hon ourable Speaker, this is absurd, and it was the new gov ernment that was removing senior officials from roles as they were sworn into office. After conferring with individuals who are privy to the timelines, we can confirm that it was the NDP chief of staff acting on directions of the Premier, who, within hours of the new Premier taking the oath of office, fired Michael Swistun. There were HR repre- sentatives who were witness to this firing, as well as following the new government taking office. It is clear that the Premier's statement on Friday deliberately misled the House.

I am very concerned of the careless accusations that the Premier is making to discredit our leader. The Premier needs to apologize to our leader, as well as to be held accountable for his false accusations. So, as a result, I move, seconded by the MLA from Steinbach, that this House condemn the Premier for deliberately misleading the Legislature, and that this matter immediately be referred to a permanent standing committee of this House for investigation. Thank you.

126 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 The Speaker: Before recognizing any other members to speak, I would remind the House that remarks at this tim e by honour able members are limited to strictly relevant comments about whether the alleged matter of privilege has been raised at the earliest op - portunity, and whether a prima facie case has been established. Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): The former clerk of the Executive Council, the Leader of the Opposi tion's clerk, is the one who recommended we disband EDBS and fire the people that they named.

I assume that she did so on the advice of the Leader of the Opposition. October 17, before we were sworn in, is when those people were informed that they were being terminated. These are the facts of the matter. Clearly, there is a dispute over the facts. That's all this is. This is not a matter of privilege. This is a dispute over the facts. The Speaker: A matter of privilege is a serious con - cern, and I'm going to take this matter under advise - ment to consult with the authorities and will return to the House with a ruling.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 4–The Employment Standards Code Amendment and

Interpretation Amendment Act (Orange Shirt Day) Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): I move, seconded by the Minister of Families (MLA Fontaine), that Bill 4, The Em ployment Standards Code Amendment and

Interpretation Amendment Act (Orange Shi rt Day); Loi modifiant le Code des normes d'emploi et la Loi d'interprétation (Journée du chandail orange), be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Kinew: This bill is an important step forward in the journey of reconciliation for all Manitoba ns.

It fulfills one of the Truth and Recon ciliation Commis- sion's Calls to Action, and, in particular, it ensures that every child in Manitoba will be able to participate in the next Orange Shirt Day, no matter where their parents live; that's–or where their parents work, rather. * (13:40) That's inclusive of folks who work in manu- facturing, construction and any other provincially regulated workplace. I look forward to the support of every MLA in this Chamber to ensure that this passes before the winter break. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Committee reports?

TABLING OF REPORTS The Speaker: The honourable Minister of Municipal and Northern Relations –Indigenous Economic Development. Hon. Ian Bushie (Minister of M unicipal and Northern Relations): I am pleased to table the following 2022-2023 reports for the Manitoba Munici- pal Relations, Manitoba Indigenous Reconciliation and Northern Relations, the Manitoba Water Services Board, the Communities Economic Development Fund. I am also pleased to table a 2022 report for the Manitoba Municipal Board. The Speaker: No further reports?

MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS The Speaker: And I would indicate that the required 90 minutes' notice prior to routine proc eedings was provided in accordance with rule 27(2). Financial Literacy Month Hon. Adrien Sala (Minister of Finance): November is Financial Literacy Month, which is an opportunity for all Manitoba families to assess their personal financial situation and consider how they can improve their financial well-being. Financial literacy means having the skills and knowledge to make informed decisions about managing your money.

More than ever, during a time of rising interest rates and persistent inflation, t hese skills are crucial in helping people navigate these challenging times.

Being financially literate can help Manitobans in many ways: first, it empowers individuals to take control of their financial future, make informed choices and avoid financial pi tfalls; (2) it enhances overall well -being by reducing financial stress and anxiety through better financial planning and decision making; (3) it helps protect consumers from financial fraud, scams and predatory lending practices by enabling them to recognize and avoid such risks. It is more important than ever to be aware of the incredible number of financial frauds and scams oper- ating in Manitoba and around the world.

We need to protect each other from losing our hard-earned money. We must know where to turn for help and make sure that we do our homework.

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 127 So, where do we turn to find useful financial literacy information? Financial literacy learning is a lifelong process in which governments, educational institutions, non-governmental organizations, financial institutions and families and friends play key roles. Financial Literacy Month highlights educational ses - sions, workshops and information that is readily avail- able to the public, and in many instances, free of charge. The Manitoba Financial Services Agency has several initiatives in this area.

These include a series of podcasts on fraud prevention and intergenerational discussions on money, as well as partnering with local media during this year's Financial Literacy Month. In addition, the MFSA issues investor alerts on a regular basis to warn the public about current frauds and investment risks. The agency has also made available a brochure called My Personal Affairs Record Keeper, a document where you can put financial information such as where you bank, where you invest your money, who holds your mortgage and if you have a life insurance policy, et cetera.

Navigating the financial world can be daunting for many people. This is why being financially literate is so important. It leads to sound decision making, better financial well-being and, ultimately, increased peace of mind. Finally, our government is doing our part to help Manitobans deal with rising costs by cutting the pro- vincial fuel tax for at least six months to help put more money in your pocket. We have also committed to freezing Manitoba hydro rates, because Manitobans should not have to choose between paying for groceries or hydro. Thank you.

MLA Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): I am proud today to rise to mark Financial Literacy Month. According to the Canadian government, this year's campaign theme: Managing Your Money in a Changing World. This month, we encourage all Manitobans to get their financial advice from trustworthy sources and speaking with their banks. With the right education, support, tools and resources, Manitobans can make plans to improve their ability to achieve their financial goals. I am proud to be a part of the previous PC govern- ment, where under the former minister of Educa tion, now the proud honourable member for Lac du Bonnet (Mr.

Ewasko), did just that, and introduced a financial literacy program to over 1,500 students in the 2023-24 school year. More and more Manitobans and Canadians are having trouble making ends meet. Their mortgage rates are going up, food prices are getting too high, carbon tax is making life less affordable. The NDP government here in Manitoba has already shown a lack of financial literacy. Budgets do not balance themselves, contrary to what the NDP and Liberals think.

The N DP government wants to increase the debt of Manitoba Hydro with a fake freeze that will result in higher hydro payments and rates for the long term on the backs of ratepayers. Financial literacy 101 would state: if you freeze it, it will eventually melt and make a massive mess. If they freeze it, when the freeze comes off, rates would inevitably increase. And somehow, the NDP are going to just try to do that. They also want to put Hydro into millions more of debt to achieve net zero by 2035, which will cost taxpayers and ratepayers even more money. Not very financially literate.

The NDP continues to flip- flop to support the harmful carbon tax, which is driving up inflation, and they're cutting schools, daycare spots and hospital upgrades because they can' t afford to balance their $300 billion in overpromises they made. Worse, they are erroneously claiming that a PC balanced budget with a $270- million surplus is somehow worse than a $870-million deficit. Financial literacy 101. Honourable Speaker, our PC team won't let them get in the way of debt, decay and higher costs for Manitobans so easily.

We will hold them accountable, and we will encourage financial literacy for all levels of government on the other side and Manitobans. MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Honourable Speaker, I ask for leave to respond to the minister's statement. The Speaker: Does the honour able member from Tyndall Park have leave? [Agreed] MLA Lamoureux: November is Financial Literacy Month, a month observed all over C anada. Today, I rise to speak to the importance of financial habits and working towards making smart financial decisions.

Honourable Speaker, oftentimes life will throw unexpected curve balls, and that is why we often refer

128 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 to having a rainy day fund to r ecognize potential emergencies. However, many Manitobans are barely getting by right now, never mind be able to build up a rainy day fund. When I think about financial literacy and the importance of it, I think about seniors, many of whom are living on fi xed incomes. Seniors are having to stretch their money further than ever before.

Between grocery bills, utility bills, cellphone bills, dental work, hearing aids and, most importantly, prescription medi- cations, it is becoming near impossible for many seniors to make ends meet. I also think about students. Students continue to take on such debt as they are forced to pay more taxes, pushing them further and further away from poten- tially buying a house or a vehicle. It's scary to students that there is no tuition fee cap and that the average student will graduate with thousands of dollars of debt. Lastly, I think about small businesses. Small businesses of–the backbone to Manitoba.

It's some - thing we're all very proud of, yet often don't support the way t hat we could be. Small businesses need support from all levels of government. They need business from all of us here, and they need to be given the opportunities and not be forced to close shop because of inflation. Honourable Speaker, I want to encourage all Manitobans to use the many resources provided at both the federal and provincial levels to learn about your rights with borrowing money and debt management. Thank you.

The Speaker: The honourable Minister of Municipal and Northern Relations–Indigenous Economic Development– and I would indicate that the required 90 minutes' notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accordance with rule 27(2). Municipal Government Awareness Week Hon. Ian Bushie (Minister of Municipal and Northern Relations): I am honoured to rise before the House today to recognize November 27 to December the 1st as municipal government awareness week.

This is the third year in a row that the province of Manitoba has celebrated municipal government aware- ness week, and there is good reason why this is fast becoming an annual tradition. Municipal governments play a crucial role in our province. As the level of government with the closest and most direct impact on the people who live in their communities, municipal governments make important decisions for all Manitobans, regardless of ability, identity or background, on issues related to local services, programs, facilities and infrastructure.

Municipal governments provide essential services, such as waste management, road maintenance, fire and police services, land -use planning, building in- spections and emergency management. The provision of these services ensures the safe and efficient func - tioning of communities and provides the opportunity for communities to flourish economically, socially and culturally. * (13:50) Municipalities are serious partners, and our govern- ment will treat them with the greatest respect in working together to make life better for families across the province.

I would also like to acknowledge, Honourable Speaker, the good work of the Association of Manitoba Municipalities for their unwavering support and advocacy on behalf of Manitoba's municipalities. Advocating for the unique needs and interests of Manitoba's bilingual municipalities, I would also like to take a moment to recognize the hard work of the Association of Manitoba Bilingual Munici palities in establishing the 3M model that will guide service delivery and communications with the public, govern- ance, leadership and strategic direction, as well as people management in both official languages.

The Association of Manitoba Municipalities' annual fall convention, taking place this year between November 28 and November 30, is a chance for muni- cipal elected officials and administrato rs to come together to share ideas, to learn, to grow and to build capacity to better serve their citizens. We strongly support these efforts, and we wish the Association of Manitoba Municipalities and all of the convention attendees a rewarding and successful convention.

I would like to thank all mayors, councillors and reeves and hope they are able to conduct themselves with integrity and wisdom as they fulfill their duty, a duty entrusted to them through the traditions of our respective democracy, to e arnestly and effectively represent the best interests of their constituents as they work to build strong, safe, accountable and healthy communities.

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 129 Honourable Speaker, let us take a moment to cele- brate municipal government awareness week. Thank you. Introduction of Guests The Speaker: Before recognizing any other members to speak on this, I'd like to acknowledge that we have seated in the public gallery from École Rivière - Rouge, 44 grade 4 students under the direction of Nichole Trottier. The group is located in the con stit- uency of the honourable member for Kildonan-River East (Mrs. Schott). * * * Mr.

Trevor King (Lakeside): Honourable Speaker, our PC team were proud the last two years to proclaim municipal government awareness week, in recogn i- tion and appreciation of the important role of muni - cipal governments in providing essential front -line community services, local leadership and advocacy, while unifying people and communities. As part of municipal government awareness week in Manitoba, we invited applications for two programs focused on supporting local priorities in community development by creating summer youth employment and enabling important projects with partners in communities.

Honourable Speaker, I myself have had the pleasure of serving as a first municipal–as a–first as a municipal councillor and then as reeve of the RM of Woodlands, working with many communities in our municipality. I also had the pleasure of serving as district representative on the Association of Manitoba Municipalities as their Interlake district director. So I know first-hand the great work that CAOs and staff and councillors do for all our great communities across the province and I want to thank them for it.

I also want to acknowledge AMM, all the great work they do to bring forward municipal issues to government. They are having their annual AGM con- vention this week, and I look forward to attending it and hearing from all our Manitoba municipalities. I have had the op portunity to read the 60 -plus resolutions that they will be bringing forward at their AMM, and I look forward to hearing the debate on them. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Transcona Council for Seniors Ms. Jelynn Dela Cruz (Radisson): Manitoba is a beautiful, resilient province.

It would not be what it is today without the seniors among us who have devoted their lives to building it. The quality of life and the dignity of senior Manitobans are not only senior issues. In fact, caring for the generation that cared for this province is an issue that concerns us all. It is critical that we work together by bridging the gap between generations, recognizing that our needs are linked within our shared communities.

Having volunteered in nursing homes and worked at an organ- ization supporting aging people with disabilities, I am passionate about accessible health care and afford - ability for seniors across Manitoba. No matter the age that you are, you are deserving of meaningful relationships, access to essential services and a dignified life. That's why, as the youngest member of this Assembly, I am enthused to employ my first member's statement to recognizing the work of the Transcona Council for Seniors.

Since their incorporation in 1993, about 30 years ago, the council has assisted seniors in northeast Winnipeg in their pursuit to live independently for as long as possible within our community. About two weeks ago, I had the pleasure of attending their 55- plus dining exper ience, visiting with constituents and seeing their passion in action. In addition to their regular dining oppor tunities, they also provide seniors with transportation, exercise programming, support groups, educa tional courses, emergency-response information kits and an informa- tion referral service.

In my new role as legis lative assist ant to the Minister of Health, Seniors and Long- Term Care (MLA Asagwara), I am grateful for the partnership of organizations like the Transcona Council for Seniors and the strides tha t they help us take towards better outcomes for this province. I invite my colleagues to join me in applauding the efforts of the Transcona Council for Seniors staff, volunteers and members, many of whom are with us in the gallery today.

130 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 Terrell Kerbrat Mr. Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): Honourable Speaker, I rise with pride to recognize Terrell Kerbrat, who joins us in the gallery. Terrell is a father, a firefighter, a paramedic and now the proud recipient of four medals in trap shooting. These successes were from the World Police and Fire Games that were held this past summer in Winnipeg. Terrell resides in Arborg with his wife Cathy and three sons, who also join us here today.

Currently working as a paramedic stationed in Riverton, Terrell previously served his home community of Arborg as a firefighter. Having shot competitively in the past, school, work and family commitments led Terrell to put his shooting on the back burner. That is, until the discovery that the World Police and Fire Games would be held right here in Winnipeg. This led to the rekindling of his former passion, and through weekly practice and competition, Terrell soon found his old skills had returned.

Participating in three trap -shooting events at the World Police and Fire Games, he had hoped to make a respectable showing in the international competition. Terrell obviously exceeded his ex pectations by winning a silver and two golds, which in turn led to him receiving another gold in the all -trap event with the highest combined score, bringing his medal count to four. Terrell's hard work and dedi cation along with commitment to his family, community and sport is an inspiration not just to Manitobans, but to all inter - national competitors.

Honourable Speaker, it is my pleasure to recog - nize Terrell Kerbrat, who joins us here with his wife Cathy and three sons. Woodydell Family Resource Centre Mr. Tyler Blashko (Lagimodière): Today I rise to honour the Woodydell Family Resource Centre. Woodydell Family Resource Centre is a community- based organization with programming for healthy living, financial stability and community building. It operates as a drop -in centre for residents of Manitoba Housing and the surrounding Lagimodière community, fostering a sense of connect ion that reaches across our neighbourhoods.

Woodydell's programs include communal meals, community gardening and food drives which address food insecurity in a time of rising food costs. Families are supported with youth programming for kids of all ages, computer resources, laundry facilities and a community kitchen that are all centrally located on Manitoba Housing property. Woodydell also helps build marketable skills like sewing and assists with job searches, helping folks find sufficient and dignified employment.

Established two decades ago by the non- profit organization Family Dynamics in partnership with Manitoba Housing, Woodydell became a model for at least six other family resource centres across Winnipeg. Its successes stand as a testament to Woodydell's servant leaders, strong volunteers and supportive community. It also highlights the effectiveness of pro- vincial investments in local community organizations. * (14:00) Woodydell brought programs to a chronically underserved area of Winnipeg where, too often, families would have to travel across the city to find suitable supports.

Having family resource centres close to home not only removes barriers to services but allows for tailored programming that fits the unique needs of communities in Lagimodière. Woodydell is preparing for a busy holiday season with upcoming breakfast hampers and gift hamper programs already under way. I would like to thank Woodydell for their tireless work supporting the residents of Lagimodière, and would encourage every- one to volunteer or donate to their local community resource centre ahead of the holiday season so that they can continue supporting our neighbours, friends and families. Thank you.

Eileen Clarke Ms. Jodie Byram (Agassiz): Honourable Speaker, it is a privilege to rise in the House today to acknowl - edge and pay tribute to past MLA Eileen Clarke. Eileen was first elected as member of –to the member–as the member to the Legislative Assembly for Agassiz in 2016 and again in 2019. Throughout her tenure Eileen held Cabinet positions and was the minister responsible for Indigenous, Northern Relations; and Municipal Relations.

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 131 Eileen brought a renewed energy to the Legislative Building. She built many new relationships with trust and honesty, fostering each with respect. She hosted many visitors from her constituency and welcomed many more into her Legislative office, always known to have snacks and treats for all to enjoy, and some would show up just for the treats. Eileen established many working r elationships with an ability to handle sensitive issues with truth and integrity.

She maintained transparent and open lines of communication with First Nation leaders, northern communities, municipal leaders and councils and Hutterite colony families and leaders. Honourable Speaker, with her ability and strong work ethic Eileen succeeded and accomplished many great things during her time in office. She helped with consultation and the –and initiation with bill 4, The Path to Reconciliation Amendment Act, and was very instrumental in the additional funding delivered to municipalities through the department of Municipal Relations.

Eileen has had a significant role in my life and to many more, always providing steadfast leadership, strength and inspiration for many, always committed and dedicated to her responsibilities in gov ernment, all while balancing a busy life outside of her official duties. Eileen's success and accomplishments have been many, but nothing more important than the relation- ships and frie ndships that were created. Thank you, Eileen, for your contributions not only to your Agassiz constituency but to this House. Know that your dedica- tion and commitment to public service has made a difference.

Honourable Speaker, I would ask that all mem - bers of this House join me in recognizing Eileen for all that she accomplished during her time in govern - ment. We wish her all the very best in her future endeavors and may she enjoy her retirement with her family and friends at her side. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Recognition of Historical Anti-Sikh Violence Mr. Diljeet Brar (Burrows): Honourable Speaker, Sat Sri Akal [truth is God].

As the month of November starts each year, Sikhs in the province and around the world remember the human rights violations and injustice that took place in the streets of India in 1984. Between October 31st and November 3rd, thou - sands of Sikh households were the targets of organized violence. This ethnic and religious persecution of Sikhs forced people from their homes, buses and trains to be assaulted, resulting in the death of thousands. Houses, businesses and gurdwaras were burnt. Victims also included women and children.

Only 3,000 Sikhs had been officially reported murdered during those four days, but unoffici al estimates are tens of thousands of murders and disappearances. After 39 years of suffering, and we are still counting. Let's think of those who survived the violence and have yet to receive any semblance of justice. Affected families continue to live in pain and poverty to this day. This trauma directly impacted an entire generation, and future generations continue to advocate for justice. What happened in November 1984 was not a crime against one community, but rather a crime against all of us.

Targeted killings of people solely based on who they identify as is never justified. We, the representatives of the people of the diverse province of Manitoba, need to continue to raise aware- ness of the horrors of the past and seek answers, accountability and justice for those impacted. As we move forward, let's stand up for human rights, act to promote peace and create a safe and respectful society where there is no space for any form of hatred towards anyone. Let's spread the message to recognize the whol e human race as one. [Punjabi spoken.

Translation unavailable.] Honourable Speaker, I request my colleagues to join me, welcome my guests in the gallery and request their names to be added to Hansard. Miigwech, merci, thank you and shukria. [Thank you.] Dalbir Bala, Sanjay Bhroat, Gursewak Brar, Harjot Chohan, Parm Chohan, Gurjant Singh Dhillon, Satwinder Dhillon, Kuljit Ghuman, Sher Singh Grewal, Anmolpreet Singh Gumber, Nishu Gumber, Abhijot Singh Loona, Harbhajan Singh Sidhu, Arvindpal Singh, Avtar Singh, Gobind Singh, Gurjaspal Singh, Gursimranveer Singh, Gursewak Singh, Jaspreet Singh, Rajbir Singh, Sukhvir Singh, Darshan Singh Tibba.

132 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 Speaker's Statement The Speaker: Before we get to oral questions, I would like to take a moment to pay tribute to our new Clerk, Rick Yarish. Members may not be aware of this, but Rick has a fantastic way with words and has provided invaluable input over the years when drafting state - ments such as these. Therefore, it has been a privilege to put this one together with Rick's team, and I'm sure that he's very relieved that he did not have to write it himself.

Rick has been diligently serving members of this Assembly for over 23 years, starting with–starting his career in the extremely challenging p osition of Clerk Assistant, Clerk of Com mittees, where, over the course of 11 years, he completely revolutionized the branch. Since his first day on the job, Rick has displayed an almost unparalleled passion and dedi cation to the Assembly. This was never more apparent than in 2008, when the hog producer bill was eventually sent to committee; 424 members of the public registered to speak, with 268 of them presenting over the course of eight consecutive committee hearings.

Not only does this bill hold the record for the most number of presenters in Manitoba's history, Rick clerked every single meeting, a staggering 64 hours spread over only six days. No committee clerk before or since has held the sole responsi bility for such an undertaking. After an impressive 11 years in Committees Branch, Rick took a seat at the table as Deputy Clerk for the first time on April 12, 2011.

Rick's tenure as Deputy Clerk has seen him overcome many challenges, most notably during the COVID-19 pandemic, where Rick led the team of talented Assembly staff who put together the virtual infrastructure that has seamlessly become part of the operations of this Legislature. Rick firmly believes in democracy and was unwavering in his belief that, during those unprece - dented times, the Assembly would continue to function and the public should be able to see their elected officials working hard for them, even if they could not be in the building.

The Assembly achieved this and more, becoming a role model for other legislatures across Canada to follow. None of this would have been possible without his leadership and guidance. Rick has represented Manitoba across the Commonwealth and beyond at various parliamentary associations and conferences. He's also highly respected amongst the clerks' community, having held the posi - tions of treasurer, vice-president and president of the Association of Clerks-at-the-Table in Canada.

He is famous for taking his guitar with him to conferences, and many of the clerks across the country have fond memories of Rick entertaining a room full of delegates. Rick's love of music is widely known. His band, The Lemons, has produced numerous 'alblu ms' and regularly sells out local venues in Winnipeg. He shares this–he shares his passion with his son, Adam, who joins us today in the Speaker's Gallery, along with Rick's two daughters, Emma and Grace, and his wife, Jackie.

Also, in the public gallery are some of Rick's close friends and former colleagues: Monique Grenier , Claude Michaud, Andrea Signorelli, Tamara Pound, Trent Simpson, Craig Lawrence and Lisa Lawrence. We welcome you all to the Legislative Assembly and hope for some of you this is bringing back fond memories of your time here. * (14:10) I would like to share a few 'cotes' –quotes from Assembly staff who have worked with Rick during his illustrious career so far: Rick displays a genuine passion for the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba and his work ethic and dedication transfers to everyone working around him.

Rick has always served all members of the Assembly equally and without bias. He strives to be a trusted person for –from whom MLAs and staff will always get a straight answer. As a manager, Rick strives to be a teacher: sharing his knowledge and experience, helping staff to learn and grow and then getting out of the way to let them shine. Rick expects certain things from his team, and holds himself and us to a high standard; be a leader, be respectful, be open, be the best communicator, be excellent. This is the most important part; he expects himself and everyone on his team to be excellent.

Rick is kind, supportive and understanding. He loves his job more than anyone I have ever met and is incredibly dedicated to the Assembly. He will make a fantastic Clerk because he wants to see his team suc- ceed and the Assembly be the best it can possibly be. It is clear that our new Clerk will forever leave his mark on this Assembly. He has been the champion of

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 133 many improvements and modernizations while still deeply respecting the history and traditions of what we do here. I look forward to working closely with Rick in his new capacity for the betterment of the Assembly, its members, its staff and all Manitobans. And if he didn't already have enough to celebrate, it was also his birthday yesterday. Good luck, Rick Yarish, the 14th Clerk of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba.

Introduction of Guests The Speaker: And before we move on to oral questions, I would like to draw the attention of all hon ourable members to the public gallery, where we have with us today from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Tom Linner, who has–who is the guest of the honour able member for Southdale (MLA Cable). On behalf of all members, all honourable members, we welcome you here today. ORAL QUESTIONS West Broadway Shooting Condolences to Families Ms.

Heather Stefanson (Leader of the Official Opposition): Before we get into questions today and question period, I just want to acknowledge the tragic event that took place over the weekend on Langside, and those who lost their lives. There were four individuals that lost their lives as a result of those tragic events, and the shooting that took place over the weekend. Of course, our prayers go out to the family mem- bers who have lost their loved ones, and our hearts go out especially, I would say, Honour able Speaker, to the children who have lost their parents.

My sympathy goes out to, of course, the families and the victims, and to the whole Langside com munity, because all were affected by this tragic event. And so we know, Hon ourable Speaker, that Manitobans deserve to feel safe in their home, and have the faith in our community–I have the faith in our community that we can come together and support one another during these tragic times. I do have questions for the Premier on the carbon tax, but I'll leave it with that for a response from the Premier. Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): I want to acknowledge the Leader of the Op position for raising this issue.

It is an important one for many Manitobans today who are grieving, and there are many Manitobans today who do not feel safe, and it's incumbent on our gov- ernment to work to support those folks. I want to extend our condolences to those who've lost loved ones, and to send a message that our gov- ernment is going to be tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime for Manitobans who worry about safety in all of our communities across the province. I also want to acknowledge that Winnipeg's chief of police said that this was a difficult situation to respond to.

So at this time I want to thank those law enforcement officers and other first respon ders who were there on this difficult scene. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a subsequent question. Carbon Tax and the Agriculture Industry Request for Manitoba Exemption Ms. Heather Stefanson (Leader of the Official Opposition): There has been a great deal of discussion and the dire need to exempt home heating from the NDP-Liberal coalition carbon tax. But the carbon tax doesn't just affect resi dential customers, Hon ourable Speaker.

It hurts farmers and it hurts producers right here in Manitoba. Will this NDP Premier advocate for Manitoba's ag industry and an exemption from the NDP -Liberal carbon tax? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): I was very proud to join the Minister of Agricul ture (Mr. Kostyshyn) on Friday to travel to the Interlake to share the good news that we're bringing affordability relief to Crown lands producers right across this great province. For years, during the PC administration, it seems like the PCs had a singular focus on making of cost of business more expensive for these ran chers.

And so, as one our first steps in office, we've brought in relief and we're freezing rent rates as we create time to bring in further measures to help cattle producers here in Manitoba. But wait, there's more. Our pause on the fuel tax will also save money for producers in all the various sectors of the ag economy here in the province of Manitoba, and, in fact, during this fuel tax holiday, there won't necessarily be a need to mark fuel; you will simply realize the savings on all forms of gasoline and diesel thanks to our Minister of Finance (MLA Sala).

134 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Ms. Stefanson: Well, once again, the Premier didn't answer the question. Of course, the question is on the carbon tax, the NDP-Liberal coalition carbon tax. Honourable Speaker, the agri culture busi ness represents almost 10 per cent of Manitoba's GDP and is the backbone of our economy here in Manitoba. But the ag industry doesn't get any help from the NDP government's temporary fuel tax cut.

So I'll ask the Premier again: Will this NDP Premier stand up and advocate for Manitoba's ag industry and an exemption from the NDP -Liberal carbon tax today? Mr. Kinew: In one month in office, we've already done more to help ranchers in this province that the members opposite ever did. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr. Kinew: And where every single year they tried to make the cost of business for ranchers less and less affordable, we have taken a step to permanently reduce their cost of doing business.

Now, beyond this, we're also ensuring that all Manitobans enjoy a break when we talk about cutting the prov incial gasoline tax. And by the way, that applies to diesel, as well, too. So not only ag busi - nesses but many busi nesses in many sectors will benefit from this inflation relief 'messa'–measure. However, one of the signi ficant problems we're encountering so far is a lack of commitment from the PCs; a lack of commitment to ensure that the fuel tax bill will pass before the House rises. Will we ensure that there will be no delays in achieving– The Speaker: The member's time has expired.

Fuel and Carbon Taxes Agriculture Production Costs MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): First of all, I'd like to table a letter that was brought forward by four of the largest ag producers or ag busi nesses. In stating in that letter, it says: We note the proposed list of fuel eligible for tax emption notably excludes propane and dyed gasoline, which are curre ntly subject to a 3-cent-per-litre fuel tax in Manitoba. * (14:20) After years of being hounded with this NDP-Liberal carbon tax, it's ridiculous the NDP would leave farm equipment out of the temporary fuel-tax cut.

When will–would this gov ernment ta ke some responsibility for farmers' ability to make a living? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): Our government is very responsible. We are careful stewards of the provincial economy–unlike the members opposite, who've left us with a significant fiscal mess. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr. Kinew: However, we know that one of the most important things that we can do to ensure that the – [interjection] The Speaker: Order. [interjection] The honourable First Minister. Mr. Kinew: There we go. Okay.

So, I will simply point out for the Agriculture critic that in order for him to be successful in his new responsibilities, it will be important for him to pay attention to our government's many excellent an nouncements, including the an- nouncement on Friday that we are freezing rents for producers who use Crown lands. And also that we are going to cut the provincial fuel tax, which, of course, applies to ag producers. Doesn't he agree that these are all great steps for the ag industry? The Speaker: The honourable member from Portage la Prairie, on a subsequent question.

MLA Bereza: With the front wheels coming off the cart due to the farmers being left out of the new Fuel Tax Amendment Act, and the rear wheels coming off the cart due to the high costs they're facing with the NDP-supported carbon tax, will this minister take responsibility for the high cost of groceries and increased production costs, and tell Manitoba families why the NDP want them to pay more for their groceries? Mr. Kinew: The PC members opposite have such a poor understanding of the provincial economy that they really, really struggle with this metaphor.

It's the social cart that has axles; the economy is the economic horse, and our team is feeding it by cutting Crown lands' rents and by cutting the provincial fuel tax. So I'll ask again, does the Ag critic recognize that these are great steps for the agri culture industry in Manitoba?

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 135 The Speaker: The honourable member from Portage la Prairie, on a final supplementary. MLA Bereza: I will ask one time again also: with farmers trying to understand why they are not part of the temporary tax amend ment act, and also being burdened with the NDP supporting the carbon tax federally, will this government admit rural Manitobans will continue to be ignored by the rest of the caucus and this Finance Minister? Mr.

Kinew: You know, we brought in a geothermal home-heating program; 90 per cent of the people who will benefit from that are folks who live in rural Manitoba. We have frozen rents for Crown lands' producers, and importantly, there will not be a need to mark fuel once we bring in the fuel-tax holiday. That means that ag producers will benefit from that tax cut on gasoline and also when that is applied to diesel. This is a step that the PCs never took. They charged 14 cents a litre on these Manitobans right across the province during their time in office.

So if the Ag critic has a question to ask, he should really ask the front bench: why did they charge this tax on Manitobans throughout their time in office? Fuel Tax Amendment Act Fairness in Application MLA Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): On this side of the House, we are all for making life more affordable for all Manitobans. I have a very, very simple question for the minister. Can he stand here today and promise Manitobans that if The Fuel Tax Amend ment Act passes, that all Manitobans will see a 14-cent savings per litre at the pump for all usages on motor vehicles, ATVs, combines, Ski-Doos, boats and tractors?

It's a very simple question, your Honour able Speaker: yes or no? Hon. Adrien Sala (Minister of Finance): After many years of Manitobans struggling under the weight of the previous government not taking action to improve affordability, we on this side of the House are very proud to be bringing in a measure that will reduce the fuel tax from 14 cents a litre to zero. That will help all Manitobans as they head to the pump. The only question Manitobans need to ask is: Will the previous government support it? The Speaker: The honourable member for Fort Whyte, on a supplementary question.

MLA Khan: So, shockingly, the answer is no, this tax fuel cut is not for all Manitobans, just like the minister just said. So, can the minister then say today, if this fuel tax is passed, that this government will amend it–like they say in the Throne Speech, leave no one behind–that this act will include everyone that buys gasoline, propene–propane, diesel and natural gas. The answer is simple: yes or no? MLA Sala: Again, it gives me pleasure to rise in the House to talk about the important work we're doing on this side of the House to make life more affordable for all Manitobans.

I will answer the member's question very clearly. All Manitobans will benefit from the reduction of fuel tax from 14 cents a litre to zero. The only question is, will the members opposite support the bill? The Speaker: The honourable member for Fort Whyte, on a final supplementary question. Extension Request MLA Khan: So, it's c lear that the minister has not read his own bill that he proposes going forward. The minister will not say that every single Manitoban will save 14 cents.

And this is all while the minister has previously acknowledged that the cost of living, interest, inflation, grocery prices and other factors won't come down for years to come. So, if they're not going to come down for years to come, will this minister agree to extend the fuel tax cut for as long as Manitobans are struggling with inflation, yes or no? MLA Sala: Again, I appre ciate the oppor tunity to respond to the question. One thing we know is that rural families drive a lot. They drive a lot to–they got to go a long distance to their workplaces; they have to go a long distance to school.

This measure will provide significant benefits to families living in our rural communities, especially farmers. We're taking action to help make life more afford- able for all Manitobans. Not like the members oppo- site, who spent years seeking to make life more expensive for farmers. We're going to make life more affordable. Will they support the bill, yes or no?

136 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 Fuel Tax Amendment Act Fairness in Application Mr. Rick Wowchuk (Swan River): Honourable Speaker, this NDP Premier (Mr. Kinew) and Minister of Finance (MLA Sala) have quickly made this fuel tax cut very confusing. Has the minister of EDIT and Natural Resources consulted and advised trappers and commercial fishers that their snowmobiles, power saws, augers, 'bombadiers,' jerry cans, which is their lifeline to return home to their families at night, do not qualify for this tax exemption, yes or no? Hon.

Jamie Moses (Minister of Economic Development, Investment, Trade and Natural Resources): Honourable Speaker, I'm pleased to rise to answer the question. We are excited about building an economy that's going to work for all Manitobans. We're a listening government. We're a collaborative government. We're working with individual people in Manitoba, industry partners, First Nation a nd Indigenous com munities, to make sure our economy is going to work for everybody.

What people have said is they want more afford- ability in Manitoba, and that's why we're excited to bring in this fuel tax, which is going to lower from 14 cents down t o zero, that all Manitobans will see that economic benefit. The Speaker: The honourable member from Swan River, on a supplementary question. Mr. Wowchuk: Honourable Speaker, we will make this really easy for the minister. Many Manitobans go out every day to work and provide for their families. They operate machinery powered by gasoline that's taxed by the Province.

Will the minister support an amendment to give these hard-working Manitobans the same break, yes or no? * (14:30) Mr. Moses: You know, the member opposite is right about one thing, Manitobans are hard at work. Yes, Manitobans are hard -working. Manitobans are hard-working, and we seek to actually unite those hard-working Manitobans together on this side of the House instead of playing the di visive politic games like the members opposite. Instead of actually doing nothing to address affordability, we are actually going to get to work and get the job done. That's why we are bringing in this cut to the fuel tax.

And we are actually going to deliver on affordability on January 1st. The Speaker: The honourable member from Swan River, on a final supplementary. Mr. Wowchuk: Honourable Speaker, this should be an across-the-board exemption. If anything, this bill divides Manitobans. Since the minister didn't answer the first two questions, I'll try one more time: Will the minister stand up for Manitobans against the tactics of this NDP Premier (Mr. Kinew) and Minister of Finance (MLA Sala)? Mr. Moses: Honourable Speaker, we're going to stand up every day for Manitobans on this side of the House.

And, Honourable Speaker, one thing I'll tell you that we're going to stand up for: we're going to stand up for health care. We're going to stand up for educa- tion. We're going to stand up for affordability. And that's why we're lowering the gas tax on January 1st for all Manitobans. Fuel Tax Amendment Act Fairness in Application Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): My question is for the Minister of Sport, Culture, Heritage and Tourism. The tourism in dustry generates $1.8 billion for the Manitoba economy. This industry relies on off - road vehicles, including snowmobiles, watercraft and ATVs.

To access the beauty of Manitoba's backcountry, why has this industry once again been overlooked by this government in the gas tax exemption, breaking the election promise to provide relief for all Manitobans? Hon. Glen Simard (Minister of Sport, Culture, Heritage and Tourism): I would like to thank the member opposite for the question. Story time here: I was a little kid, a little kid on a farm. Grew up on a farm. And what I would ask my dad to do, hey, let's go down to St-Lazare, drive up to the gas place there, fill up our jerry can.

Fill up our jerry can, bring it back home and put it in my motorbike–Kawasaki 150. And kids across the province will be able to do that. Families across the province will be able to do

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 137 that, because when you pull up to a pump, you get 14 cents off. January 1st, you will pull up to the pump, fill up your jerry can and fill up your motorbike. The Speaker: The honourable member from La Vérendrye, on a supplementary question. Mr. Narth: Manitoba is host to 1.4 million out -of- province visitors in–within the tourism industry, and that equals $590 million in export revenue, which is larger than Manitoba's wheat export.

With millions of tourists contributing to Manitoba's economy each year, can the minister please tell the House whether the holiday will apply to out-of-province visitors as well, or does he expect small business owners to filter who can and can't buy gas under the tax exemption? Mr. Simard: Well, as someone who's driven across Manitoba, you can stop in Russell, 14 per cent–or 14 cents off a litre. You'll drive through Minnedosa, 14 cents a litre. You'll continue –you'll go through Gladstone, 14 cents a litre. You'll stop through Portage, 14 cents a litre.

And all the way, stop at those great places like Asessippi; stop at Ski Valley; stop at hoppy rock; and stop at the Fort la Reine Museum. It works together; deal at the pumps, see our great province. The Speaker: The hon ourable member from La Vérendrye, on a final supplementary. Mr. Narth: I'd like to highlight the bill in 12.2, which clearly states a motor vehicle on the roadway. And this is what brings our concern. Mr. Honourable Speaker, Snoman Incorporated is the non-profit organization maintaining more than 13,000 kilometers of Manitoba's scenic trails.

This directly contributes to the strong tourism products within our province. These trails are maintained by hundreds of snow groomers–off-road snow groomers –and other trail maintenance equip ment, all of which uses fuel but seemingly excluded from the gas tax exemption. Will this government consider– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. [interjection] The member's time has expired. Mr. Simard: Hey, it's quite obvious they're reaching for straws. Their Hail Mary passes during the election campaign didn't work, and they're trying the same thing here.

It is very clear to anybody you ask, 14 cents off at the pump, what's so hard about that? January 1st, you save money. Will they support it, yes or no? Fuel Tax Amendment Act Municipal Funding Concerns Mr. Trevor King (Lakeside): Honourable Speaker, the fuel excise tax bill appears to leave out munici- palities.

I want to give the Minister of Municipal and Northern Relations the opportunity to clarify whether they have consulted with munici pal gov ernments before introducing this fuel excise tax reduction, and ask why they are leavin g municipalities out when it could save their budgets up to $30 million annually. Hon. Ian Bushie (Minister of Municipal and Northern Relations): Well, I think the member oppo- site fails to recognize that every member of a munici- pality is also a Manitoban, and those Manitobans will save at the pump 14 cents to zero on January 1st.

And that's showing respect, some thing members opposite never did in seven years in government. The Speaker: The member from Lakeside, on a sup- plementary question. Mr. King: Honourable Speaker, munici pal gov ern- ments have to pay for most of the road maintenance in our province. Now with the fuel excise tax not being collected this year, there will be less revenue for municipal roads, highways and all the infra structure that keeps our communities going. So, will the minister explain how less revenue this year from the fuel tax will impact municipal funding? Mr.

Bushie: Municipalities have struggled for seven years because of funding freezes by this government, and here they are trying to now talk about affordability and treating with respect. Shame on them. Seven years–year after year after year, funding freeze, funding freeze, funding freeze. So, what are we doing? We're bringing affordability for all Man itobans–14 cents to zero January 1st. The Speaker: The honourable member from Lakeside, on a final supplementary question.

138 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 Mr. King: Honourable Speaker, munici pal gov ern- ments have large fuel costs for snow removal, road construction and road maintenance. Can the minister of municipal and northern affairs explain why they are not getting a break on the fuel tax they pay for this important work? Can the minister explain whether less fuel tax revenues will mean less money available to fund ou r municipal governments? Mr.

Bushie: Coming this week, I'm going to be honoured to attend AMM to hear first -hand how shameful this previous gov ernment treated the municipalities year after year. I'd encourage the member opposite to come out and he ar those concerns, because I know I will be there. Victoria General Hospital Timeline for New ER MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): The Premier committed, during the last election, to bring new emergency rooms to Victoria, Concordia and Seven Oaks hospitals.

Manitobans expect this gov ernment to follow through on their promises and shouldn't have to wait eight-plus years for these changes. * (14:40) Can this gov ernment please indicate exactly when–I'm talking year and month–they plan to have the Victoria ER up and running? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): I thank the member for Tyndall Park for, once again, raising a question on the No. 1 issue that matters to Manitobans, which is health care.

Our government was elected on a commitment to repair the single greatest thing that the PCs ever did to harm Manitobans, which was to close three of the biggest emergency rooms in our province. People in south Winnipeg, people in the northeast, people in northwest, people in Interlake, Eastman, Niverville and other surrounding communities to the south, all bore the impact of this terrible, terrible decision. Now, we are going to proceed judiciously, meticulously and with a careful plan to first staff up the health-care system and then reopen these ERs.

It's our hope that we can put shovels into the ground at the Victoria site within two years, but this will require staffing up the health-care system first. One thing we will never do is to proceed without a plan, as the PC government did– The Speaker: The member's time has expired. The honourable member from Tyndall Park, on a supplementary question. Emergency Room Expansion Staff Recruitment Inquiry MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): The building of three new ERs will require the hiring of hundreds, maybe thousands, of doctors, nurses and allied health professionals.

Can the government please share with the House where the health-care professionals that will be work- ing in our emergency rooms are going to be coming from when we have such a shortage of health- care workers? Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long-Term Care): I appreciate the question from the member for Tyndall Park on health human resource capacity. I think it's very important that our government is taking an approach that was never seen under the previous government.

We are taking our time to listen to experts, to staff up the health- care system and to make sure that we're doing the things that the previous government absolutely refused to do, which is lead with evidence, lead with an informed plan. The previous gov ernment chose to put their ideology ahead of the health care of Manitobans, and that failed miserably. We're taking a different approach, making sure that we're working with health-care workers across the system to staff up alongside them. The Speaker: The honourable member from Tyndall Park, on a final supplementary question.

Proposed ER for Eriksdale Operating Hours MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): A critical part of staffing these emergency rooms is to make sure people have timely access to care. We know that there are rural health -care facilities in Manitoba that have very limited hours, and rural Manitobans deserve the same access to health care as Winnipeggers.

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 139 This government committed to building a new ER in Eriksdale. Can they please confirm if it will be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week? Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long-Term Care): I thank the member for the question. Our government is committed to ensuring that the residents of Eriksdale and surrounding areas have an emergency room that is there for them when they need it.

Unlike the previous gov ernment that closed three emergency rooms, fired hundreds of health-care workers and treated health -care workers so badly during a pandemic that folks left our health -care system for jobs not even related to health care at all. Our gov ernment is committed to taking a new approach that works alongside health-care expertise in our province, and we're already seeing the benefits of that approach pay off. I look forward to providing updates to this House as we move forward, to celebrate the commit ments that our gov ernment has made and are executing in health care.

Front-Line Health-Care Workers Listening Tour Announcement Ms. Jelynn Dela Cruz (Radisson): Honourable Speaker, over the past seven years, front -line health- care workers have been ignored, fired, disrespected, underresourced and pushed to the brink. Well, it's a new day in Manitoba. Honour able Speaker, today the Minister of Health announced this new gov ernment is embarking on a health -care listening tour. Can minister elaborate on this health -care listening tour and tell the House why hearing from front-line workers is essential to fixing the health-care system? Hon.

Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long -Term Care): I thank my col - league, the MLA for Radisson, for not only that great question, but for joining us this morning for an impor- tant an nouncement made alongside the Premier (Mr. Kinew) and the MLA for Kirkfield Park to action our commit ment to listen to health -care workers across the system by undertaking a listening tour. Now, I'm being heckled by members opposite, members of the former PC gov ernment. They're heckling because they made no effort during their time in office to listen to heath-care workers.

Our team on this side knows the value of taking a new approach. We look forward to meeting with health-care workers directly at their hospitals and in community to hear their concerns, their ideas, their solutions to strengthen health care in our province. That is just the next step of many we've already taken to strengthen health care in– The Speaker: The member's time has expired. Provincial Economy Business Investment Concerns Mr. Jeff Wharton (Red River North): This NDP government made $3 billion in spending promises this election, with no plans to grow the economy.

Now they're cutting the roads budget and promising Manitobans a big deficit. Can the Minister of Economic Development please tell this House which sectors of our economy will be targeted for new tax hikes and fees to make up these shortfalls? Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Economic Development, Investment, Trade and Natural Resources): Honourable Speaker, I'm pleased to rise to answer this question. We are committed to building a stronger economy in Manitoba, full stop. We're not going to make the divisive games of the opposite –of the opposition side when they were in gov ernment.

We're going to work collaboratively with Manitobans to get this job done. We are not making a cut to our roads budget, and we're fully implementing it; and furthermore, Honour- able Speaker, we're going to do it in a col laborative approach with all Manitobans. The Speaker: The honourable member from Red River North, on a supplementary question. Mr. Wharton: Honourable Speaker, Manitobans know there isn't a tax or fee or red tape regulation that the NDP doesn't like. And all of these areas deter mine whether businesses succeed and whether Manitobans compete for investment on the world stage.

Honourable Speaker, will the Minister commit today to standing up to this NDP Premier (Mr. Kinew) and his Finance Minister against any new tax, fee or regulation that gets in the way of business and industry in Manitoba? Mr. Moses: I'm proud to stand up with the Premier and with the Minister of Finance (MLA Sala) and with industry partners to build a collaborative approach of

140 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 making sure this economy is strong, for now and into the future. Honourable Speaker, to respond to the members opposite question, the issue of making sure our eco- nomy is strong, we're going to deliver that not only by affordability, but making sure we make strong infra - structure investments as well. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. The Speaker: The honourable member from Red River North, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Wharton: Just like the NDP, there isn't a tax, fee or red tape regulation that the federal 'liveral' govern- ment, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, doesn't –or Mr. Speaker, doesn't like. These determine whether Manitoba busi- nesses succeed and whether we can compete for investment on the world stage. Will the Minister of Economic Dev elopment, again, commit today to standing up to the NDP - supported Trudeau government, and stand up against the new tax fee and regulation that gets in the way of business and industry right here in Manitoba? Mr.

Moses: Honourable Speaker, instead of making the mistakes of the failed former gov ernment, we're going to work col laboratively with industry, with Indigenous communities, with First Nations, with part- ners in our com munity, to make sure that our economic growth is strong. And, Honourable Speaker, we're going to do this in a couple of ways: by not only working col labo- ratively as a team of ministers, by listening to Manitobans. And that is how we'll make sure we have an economy that works for all Manitobans. Net Zero Grid Directive for Hydro Impact on Natural Gas Customers Mr.

Grant Jackson (Spruce Woods): Speaker, the Minister of Environment 's mandate letter directs Hydro to implement a net-zero grid by 2035; yet there was no mention of this commit ment in the Throne Speech. This has left Manitobans with natural gas furnaces rightly concerned about the future of heating their homes in this province. With over 250,000 homes in Manitoba heated with natural gas, when can Manitobans expect this NDP government to direct Hydro to turn off the gas? * (14:50) Hon.

Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Environment and Climate Change): Honourable Speaker, it is a true privilege and an honour to rise for the first time and answer my first question in question period, so I thank you. It is a privilege and an opportunity to serve in this role, and I want to speak to Manitobans and tell them how grateful I am for the oppor tunity to serve in this role.

And I want to thank Manitobans for making the choice that they made on October 3rd, and that is the choice to reject the status quo, to demand and expect more from their elected officials and to demand real action on climate change, Honourable Speaker. This government is committed to delivering results for Manitobans, and I look forward to sharing more. The Speaker: The honourable member from Spruce Woods, on a supplementary question. Mr.

Jackson: When over 50 per cent of Manitoba homes are heated with natural gas, the NDP commit ment of installing 5,000 heat pumps to create their net -zero grid is a drop in the bucket. How is the NDP going to pick the 5,000 winners, and when can the rest of Manitobans who heat their homes with natural gas furnaces expect the NDP to turn off the gas? MLA Schmidt: Manitoba has a unique opportunity here to drastically reduce our emissions while also saving Manitobans money, after years of rising costs and a slowing economy under the previous gov ern- ment.

We have been working day and night with our federal counterparts to secure fund ing for what will surely be a revolutionary program. The Speaker: The honourable member from Spruce Woods, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Jackson: Speaker, these NDP commitments impact real people and organizations in our communities, and it's not just families; the Keystone Centre in Brandon is one of Westman's crown jewel facilities, with over 500,000 square feet of multi -use event facilities all under one roof.

If the minister plans to phase out Hydro's natural gas emissions from our grid, can she explain how the NDP gov ernment plans to heat facilities like the Keystone Centre in Brandon, which is predominantly heated by natural gas? Because I'm not sure a heat pump is going to cut it. MLA Schmidt: Honourable Speaker, where the pre- vious gov ernment squandered Manitobans' unique opportunity, where the previous government failed to

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 141 act and failed to plan, where the previous government rejected science and ignored experts, we are here to listen, collaborate with our federal partners and to do what's best for Manitobans and the environment. The Speaker: The time for oral questions has expired. Petitions? ORDERS OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS House Business Hon.

Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): I would like to announce that the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Dev elopment will meet on Wednesday, November 29th, 2023, at 6 p.m. to con- sider Bill 3, The Fuel Tax Amendment Act (Fuel Tax Holiday). The Speaker: It has been announced that the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Dev elopment will meet on Wednesday, November 29th, 2023, at 6 o'clock p.m. to consider Bill 3, The Fuel Tax Amendment Act (Fuel Tax Holiday). * * * MLA Fontaine: I would like to interrupt Throne Speech debate for second reading of Bill 2, The Louis Riel Act.

The Speaker: Throne Speech debate will be inter - rupted while we now move on to debating Bill 2, second reading of Bill 2, The Louis Riel Act. SECOND READINGS Bill 2–The Louis Riel Act Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): I move, seconded by the Minister for Advanced Education and Training, that Bill 2, The Louis Riel Act;

Loi sur Louis Riel, be now read a second time and be referred to a committee of this House. Motion presented. Mr. Kinew: This bill is an im portant one to help us properly recognize Mr. Riel's important contributions to our great province as well as to help ensure that all Manitobans, from all walks of life, are able to properly tell the history of the founding of this great province, the way we've lived together over the past century and a half, and to work together to articulate our shared vision for one common future here in these lands we call Manitoba.

Now, this bill bestows the honorary title of first premier of Manitoba on Louis Riel, and I think we all understand that this has been a long time coming. In short, this bill makes things as they always should have been. Mr. Riel, among his many titles, father of Manitoba, one of the Fathers of Co nfederation was, during his lifetime, known as the president of the Legislative Council of Assiniboia. Today, among the few titles that I am honoured to hold on behalf of the people of Manitoba, president of the Executive Council is one of them.

And so, certainly there is work being done here to ensure that the language of today applies to Mr. Riel for his work at his time, and ensures that schoolchildren and people from all walks going forward will understand the founding role that he played here in Manitoba. Now, we know that Mr. Riel brought forward that provisional government in the earliest instances and was beginning to articulate this vision of a province in which we could live together.

And he helped to further articulate that in a list of rig hts, which recognized bilingualism, multiculturalism, freedom of religion, freedom of people from all walks of life to live here in these lands and pursue a mutually beneficial future. Now, when the Government of Canada came here, they recognized Mr. Riel. They negotiated with him, and it was he who chose Manitoba as the name for this province as it was being entered into Confederation. And so certainly he is not only our first premier, when we're talking about this honorary title, but he is also truly the father of Manitoba and a Father of Confederation.

Unfortunately, for many of the past 153 years, we haven't always respected and recog nized Mr. Riel's founding contributions to our province. And that's part of the reason why we've articulated in this bill that this is an honorary title. It's our hope that a young person in the future, a tourist visiting our province, that people who are beginning to learn the true history of Manitoba will ask about that and say, why is it honorary first premier, and why not just first premier of Manitoba? And then we can use that as a teachable moment, a learning oppor tunity to explain that, yes, Mr.

Riel founded this province and saw to its entry into this great country called Canada, but also that even though he was elected as a Member of Parliament three times, he was never permitted to take his seat in the House of Commons. And, of course, eventually he gave his life in the service of the people who live here in Manitoba.

142 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 And so with this balance in the legislation, we'll be able to at once recog nize the founding contribu- tions of Mr. Riel but also to be able to teach the challenges that he confronted during his lifetime and the challenges that many Manitobans, including citizens of the Métis nation , the Manitoba Métis Federation, have faced these past 153 years in trying to see him recognized.

Importantly, this bill also asks the Department of Education to ensure that educators continue the amazing work that they are doing to bring the work of reconciliation into the classroom. * (15:00) I'm sure that all of us over our lives have seen the evolution of the way that we talk about Mr. Riel, and this seems to be operating on a parallel track of the work of reconciliation that is occurring within Manitoba. And I think that we all feel positive about that arc moving in a future-facing direction.

And so, last week, when we were able to an - nounce this bill, I think we were all very proud to see people jigging in the Rotunda, to hear the fiddle music being played, to hear French being spoken right alongside English, and perhaps, most of all, to see people from all different walks of life to gather together and say we are one Manitoba. Mr. Riel's vision is the founding –the foundation of why we're able to do all those things here in Manitoba today, and while perhaps we haven't fully realized a hundred per cent of the articulation of Mr.

Riel's vision, it is my belief that we are getting closer each and every day. And that fills me with a ton of op timism for the future that our children and grandchildren will inherit, and so I'm very proud to bring this bill forward to second reading so that we can take another step forward in recognizing our shared history, so that we can build our common destiny together. Questions The Speaker: A question period of up to 15 minutes will be held.

Questions may be addressed to the minister by any opposition or independent member in the following sequence: first question by the official opposition critic or desi gnate; subsequent questions asked by critics or designates from other recognized parties; subsequent questions asked by each independent member; remaining questions to be asked by oppo- sition members; and no question or answer shall exceed 45 seconds. Mr. Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): I just want to ask the member that brought this forward who they consulted with.

I –speaking with my constituents where I am from, the Interlake, where you might recognize the largest popu lation of Métis reside –in speaking with them, they're not opposed to the bill, but they haven't been consulted with. Could the member explain who they've consulted with and how long in the process that he took to make that happen? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): Consultations around this bill were extensive, and the member opposite would know them well.

His former government voted this bill down multiple times, and throughout the series of those votes, we kept trying, and along the way we kept talking to Manitobans about the im - portance of this legislation. Among the many venues in which we did so in- cluded many stops in the Interlake, but also the annual Manitoba Métis Federation Annual General Assembly, where Métis citizens from St.

Laurent to Riverton spoke in one unanimous voice to say that the votes of the PC members opposite were a mistake, and that this bill should move forward so that all of us as Manitobans can start to share that destiny that we're all so proud of. MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I'd like to thank the Premier for bringing forward this important piece of legislation. And my question for the Premier is, can he speak just a little bit to what this would look like as it is brought into the school curriculum? Mr. Kinew: I thank the member for Tyndall Park for this important question.

I think that it's important to point out that our gov- ernment respects educators. We trust teachers. We know that teachers work with parents. They work with chil- dren to do good things for our province together. Now, I know the members opposite don't neces - sarily share those views, and it's our vision of working with educators to, on the one hand, ask them to incorporate Mr.

Riel further into the school curricula, but also to recognize their expertise and to respect it, and to say, we would now like you to begin to use your expertise and tell us the best ways in which we can do this in a way that is con sistent with those core com - petencies, with the human rights curricula, with the age-appropriate learning that sch ool kids across Manitoba deserve.

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 143 But, again, our government is committed to respect- ing teachers, respecting parents, respecting children, as we do all Manitobans. Mr. Wayne Ewasko (Lac du Bonnet): Thank you, Honourable Speaker, for the opportunity to get up and ask a couple questions. I'd like to ask–first of all, I'd like to state that some of the infor mation that the Premier (Mr. Kinew) has now put on the record is, again, false, Honour able Speaker. But my question to him is: Where in the cur - riculum, as it sits today, is Louis Riel mentioned in the K-to-12 curriculum? Mr.

Kinew: You know, there are many important jobs that educators do to ensure that our curricula, as they apply across the K-to-12 system, are made relevant to students in all regions of this province. And that's why, on a given day, you might hear Mr. Riel incorporated into a kindergarten's class story time. On another day, you may hear social studies grade 10 teachers talking about Mr. Riel. On still other days, in that grade 5 classroom, you might hear a discussion about human rights and the list of rights that Mr. Riel helped to articulate for Manitoba.

And so, once again, I'm proud to be part of a gov- ernment that trusts teachers, that respects the role that teachers have in working with parents and students to empower the next genera tion with learning that they will be able to use for the rest of their lives. And now what we're doing is simply codifying that within a bill and asking educators and parents and students for the opportunity– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Mr. Ewasko: I heard loud and clear that the Premier is not actually making this a mandatory thing in the K-to-12 curriculum, Honourable Speaker.

It seems to me that he's leaving this up to in - dividuals, and I'd like to ask the Premier: Where, exactly, would the new, additional pieces to the social studies curriculum –or other curriculum within the school system –where would he see this exactly be fitting, Mr. Honourable Speaker? Mr. Kinew: I want to congratulate the member oppo- site on his new -found interest in speaking up about education issues, when I noticed that he was com - pletely silent during the recent campaign when his leader tried to divide teachers from students and from parents.

And so, I will answer the question in a good faith fashion, which is to say that we are going to empower teachers and educators and school leaders to help work with us in this exercise. We also know that the Manitoba Métis Federation, that Métis citizens, that Manitobans from all walks of life, will have an important role to play in this work, because it's not about us moving forward as a gov ernment by ourselves, it's about all of us, as Manitobans, moving forward together. Mr. Ewasko: Thank you, Honourable Speaker, for the opportunity to again get up and put some questions on the record.

Honourable Speaker, I see that the Premier really hasn't shed the old days of divisive politics and working against others. So, can the Premier assure–even though he really can't assure us where this curriculum is going to be headed–but can he at least say that all the curriculum is going to be in French and English? Mr. Kinew: I'm very proud to be part of the party that brought bilingualism formally int o the laws here in Manitoba and to point out, of course, that it was the PCs that opposed that at the time.

And so, we're going to continue to ensure that these resources are available in French and English and also in Indigenous languages, and the other heritage language programs that are part of the public school system here in Manitoba. In fact, our team was so proud to give Manitobans a reason to come together at our swearing in ceremony that I do want to point out to the member opposite that you know you was also in attendance at the swearing in? Adam Beach. Mr.

Johnson: Now with Michif–the Michif language being a written language–we had some of my constit- uents, as a matter of fact, put together a dictionary and a book of the traditionally spoken language, historically. Can the member state if not just the history will be taught in the curriculum, but will the language be part of that curriculum? * (15:10) Mr. Kinew: You know, I was very proud to visit the member's con stituency to see the scho ol in St. Laurent, where they have the beautiful Michif language written on the walls, both in the classrooms of the school, but also in the child-care centre.

144 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 And so, absolutely, our government will be there to work alongside Michif language speakers, as well as citizens of the Manitoba Métis Federation, as well as Manitobans from all walks of life, to ensure that, as we work through the process of educating Manitobans about Louis Riel in the public school system and, of course, in the general public, that we'll be inclusive of all people in this great province. The Speaker: No further questions? Debate The Speaker: The floor is open for debate. Ms.

Heather Stefanson (Leader of the Official Opposition): I am very pleased today to rise in the House and put a few words on the record with respect to Bill 2, The Louis Riel Act. I can recall when I first became premier of Manitoba, one of the first things I did is I was in touch with President David Chartrand, and we set a meeting right away. And he came down to my office, and we were planning on meeting; we had our staff with us. We were planning on meeting in the Cabinet office with our staff, as well, and some of my colleagues.

And we were planning about 45 minutes or an hour meeting, and I thought, you know, at the beginning, I said, President Chartrand, why don't we just have, you know, a 15-minute meeting ourselves? Let's talk about some of the issues that we want to do, just the two of us. And we proceeded to go on to talking for about two and a half hours about some of the issues that are important for the Métis community here in Manitoba, and the Red River Métis and all the wonderful things that they have done in our province for economic dev- elopment, child care, housing.

There are so many dif- ferent things that we have been able to work very closely with the Red River Métis on. And I think it's important, when we're debating a bill such as this today, that we talk about the im- portance of reconciliation, and about economic recon- ciliation when it comes to our province and some of the things that we were able to work very closely together on, moving forward. And so, that was a great and historic meeting, but that meeting didn't end there.

There were a number of things that were outlined in that meeting that we could work together on, and we–and it resulted in a number of things that we were able to achieve together as the Red River Métis and the government of Manitoba. And I'm very proud of those times and proud of my colleagues who s at alongside me, and the im - portance of economic recon ciliation in our province and the things that we were able to achieve together. And one of those things was the Métis Economic Development Fund. At the time, the fund was not under Métis control for several years.

It was administered through the Province of Manitoba. And so we felt that it was very im portant that, through economic reconciliation, our government turn those funds over to the national gov ernment of the Red River Métis, and signed an agreement, an historic agreement, to transfer control of the Métis Economic Development Fund to the Red River Métis. And that was–the fund offers support to Red River Métis entrepreneurs, allowing them to pursue diverse eco- nomic development initiatives right here in Manitoba.

And since its inception, the fund has invested nearly $11.3 million into Red River Métis businesses right across this beautiful province of ours, leveraging an ad ditional $28.2 million and creating more than 1,200 jobs in Manitoba. The fund was previously managed by the MEDF Inc., with the Manitoba government and the MMF as the sole members of that fund. But under the new agreement, the Manitoba economic development fund will be dissolved and its assets transferred to the Louis Riel Capital Corporation, an MMF affiliate, which has a mandate to support Métis-owned businesses moving forward.

And the transfer of that control gives the Red River Métis greater autonomy over the direction of the fund, and I look forward to seeing the activities of the fund continue to pay off for the Red River Métis and all of those Métis businesses right across this great province of ours. That is true economic reconciliation. Then there an historic–there was an historic deal between Manitoba Hydro and the Manitoba Métis Federation, again, to be used for economic dev elop- ment oppor tunities for Métis people right across Manitoba.

In August we were proud to see an agreement spanning half a century, reaching between–reached between the Manitoba Métis Federation and Manitoba Hydro. This agreement, called the Revitalization Agree - ment, is an arrangement meant to address the effects of hydroelectric developments that they have made on

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 145 Métis and Indigenous people throughout the province and pave the path forward for collaboration. It also promises further economic dev elopment opportunities for Métis people into the future. It en - sures prosperity, op portunity and self -determination. And that is also an historic agree ment that was achieved not so long ago in the province of Manitoba, between Manitoba Hydro and the Manitoba Métis Federation. But there's more; there's more, Honour able Speaker.

On housing, I know and I can recall when I was housing–the minister respo nsible for housing in the province of Manitoba –worked very closely with Will Goodon, who is the minister of housing for the Manitoba Métis Federation. And we met on several occasions but I can recall it was near the end of my term as minister of Families. I wasn't aware of that at the time; of course, we don't know when Cabinet shuffles are coming, Honourable Speaker, but this was just before I ended my time as the minister of Families.

And we were able to –I got a phone call or a text from minister Goo don and we were able –he would talk to me about two Métis elders who were in need of housing, and he knew of housing–two houses that were owned in Brandon by Manitoba Housing corpor- ation. And he said, you know, is there something we can do–can we do–that these are derelict buildings, there's nothing going on with them right now; is there some- thing we can do, because we, as the Métis, would like to take those on, to renovate them and offer them to elders in the community? And we thought this is a great partnership.

These are buildings that had been derelict for years under the previous NDP government. And, of course, we were able to move forward and do that agreement with the Manitoba Métis Federation and I believe now we see the fruits of that labour, which is elders being able to be housed in homes where they should be. And we were very, very pleased to work with the Manitoba Métis Federation on that front. And I think that there are many, many oppor tun- ities. And President Chartrand and I talked about this many times.

Many op portunities, when it comes to housing in the province of Manitoba, where we can leverage federal dollars and prov incial dollars and yes, even private sector dollars. Mrs. Rachelle Schott, Acting Speaker, in the Chair I know the NDP doesn't like to talk about that but there are members of our busi ness community who are very interested in helping out in the housing chal- lenges that we face in our communities right now, but also leveraging dollars that were given to the Manitoba Métis Federation. Imagine if we pooled all those resources together what we could actually achieve together by working together.

And those are some of the discussions that we had with the Manitoba Métis Federation. And we hope that those discussions continue to take place. * (15:20) Also, Deputy Speaker, a little over a year ago we provided $10 million to help transform downtown Winnipeg's historic Bank of Montreal building into the new Métis Nation heritage centre, and I've had the opportunity to visit that building on a few occasions, and I can tell you, it is going to be an amazing, amazing building once the MMF goes through the renovations and everything to that building.

And we are just–we were so proud to have the oppor tunity to contribute to that very im portant building located at the iconic location of Portage and Main in the city of Winnipeg. And I know President Chartrand said at the time, quote: people are very touched, because they believe in this heritage centre. Quote. And I do believe in it, as well, and we believe in it. And that's why we made those invest ments. And I believe its significance will only grow over the years as it gets esta blished and becomes a celebration of Métis heritage past, present and future here in the province of Manitoba.

One of the other areas that we were able to work very closely on for many years–and I know during my time as the minister of Families we got started on moving this, when bill C -92 came in by the federal government–we started to work with various First Nation communities as well as the Manitoba Métis Federation and–in the area of child welfare. And you'll see–I'm sure you'll see an an nouncement soon, and I know the new government will want to take credit for that, but–and that's okay. That's okay.

But there's a lot of work that took place behind the scenes over the years to make this happen, and I think the real credit needs to go to all of those officials who have worked very closely, both on the MMF side and on the government side, as well as the federal govern- ment side, who have been working closely to ensure that that happens.

146 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 And so, again, I want to congratulate the Manitoba Métis Federation on the hard work and dedi cation they have done towards protecting the children in their community, and we look forward to seeing that transpire in the future. Another area, of course, is education, and this bill we are debating today includes provisions related to education. But those actions follow the footsteps of our gov ernment, and taking action, action that was taken back last spring.

Our PC gov ernment and the Manitoba Métis Federation signed a memorandum of under standing on education, which committed both gov ernments to developing a shared, long-term, distinctions -based education strategy to improve the educational out- comes of Red River Métis students here in Manitoba.

So, those are just some of the areas where I think it's important that we put on the record the areas where we were able to work very closely with President Chartrand and all of his ministers and his government on a col laborative way towards making sure recon - ciliation and economic reconciliation are able to move forward in the province of Manitoba with Indigenous peoples here. So, after the recent provincial election, I think it's important to say that I think it was unfor tunate that one of the first acts on this first First Nations Premier (Mr.

Kinew) in the province of Manitoba was to fire a head of the –who was Métis, I'll just say that he was Métis–and Michael Swistun was a Métis individual, and I think it's unfortunate that he took it upon himself to fire that individual– The Acting Speaker (Rachelle Schott): Order. I'd like to remind the member to not make reference to matters under advisement. [interjection] Honourable Leader of the Official Opposition. Ms. Stefanson: Thank you for reminding us. Of course, the Leader of the Op position will be having to, I'm sure, apologize at some point for that. But we'll move forward on that front.

I think what's really important about this, Deputy Speaker, is that this bill that's before us today is an important one. It will bestow an honorary title on Louis Riel for the history that he has made in our province. And we on this side of the House are fully supportive of this, and we want to see this bill move forward to committee so we can hear from other mem- bers of the community and what this means to them. And I know that there will be other speakers that will want to say a few words on this, but we look for- ward to passing this through to committee as quickly as possible. Thank you, Deputy Speaker.

MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I'm happy to rise just to put a few words on record here t his afternoon. You know, earlier this month, we commemorated the life of Louis Riel. Riel was a man who brought Manitoba into Confederation, and fought to protect his people from encroachments on Métis land. His selfless actions truly demonstrated the reason why he is the father of our great province. With the establishment of the provisional govern- ment, Riel knew the danger of the work that he was doing. He was labelled a rebel, a traitor by the Canadian government. What happened at Red River was not a rebellion.

It was not an uprising. It was

an act of resistance for fun damental rights that we as Manitobans and Canadians enjoy today. Riel trusted that the in stitutions of gov ernment would work for Métis people, and they did not. And that's why, Deputy Speaker, Riel led the charge for an assertion of rights–the right for people who were in favour of joining Confederation, but do so on the terms of equal treatment, of fairness, so that they were not simply ruled over as British subjects. Riel was not only a fighter for rights, but a believer of justice and the rule of law.

He wanted to make sure that there were fair rules to govern the Métis, and that power should not and cannot be centralized in the hands of the few. Because when we–when p ower works for the few and not the many, that is not democracy. Riel was at the forefront of some of the most im- portant conversations that we continue to have today. Conversations about democracy, repre sentation and voting rights. It was Riel' s provisional gov ernment that led the charge, and we can thank him for fighting these fundamental rights that we as Manitobans enjoy today.

You know, Deputy Speaker, I think about every year, for I Love to Read Month, and visiting the stu - dents. And one of the things that I always do when I go into the schools is I bring three or four different books. And I explain to all of the students how we're going to read one, maybe two of these books, but

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 147 before we do, we need to practise demo cracy and in order to best do that, we need to have a vote on this. So, I explain to all the students how you only get to put up your hand once. And we go through the books first, we read the title, look at the front and the back, we get through them. The students have a firm understanding that they get one vote, and they have to make sure that they make their vote count. And that's how we actually ultimately decide what book we're going to read that day for I Love to Read Month.

And when I talk to students about democracy and when I introduce this concept to them and tell them about that's what we do here at the Legislature, you know–where the Golden Boy is, inside the the big building, that's what we do. We practise democracy. And we turn this back to Riel. It is because of him. It is because of his fight for justice and for fairness. We recognize the true history of Manitoba, Riel as its founder and a true leader who shaped not only our pro- vince but the entire country for the better.

I know each and every one of us here today con - tinue to be inspired and grateful for Riel as a pillar upon which the ideals of Manitoba were built upon as he fought the good fight and paid the ultimate sacrifice for our great province. Thank you, Deputy Speaker, for the oppor tunity to speak today. And, again, I'd like to thank the Premier (Mr. Kinew) for bringing forward this legislation. Mr. Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): Yes, I want to get up and put a few words just about–I live in such a–an area with such a rich histo ry in the province of Manitoba. So, I am from the RM of St. Laurent.

I'm a couple miles out of town, but, obviously, growing up there my whole entire life in the RM of St. Laurent, I've become very close to many people in St. Laurent as a neighbouring town, or one of the closest towns with any major infra structure–shops, gas pumps, all that good stuff. So, I want to recognize a few constituents that have done some great work for the community. And just one of them–and I know I mentioned a bit of a –in my

preamble with questions earlier today, was that the–a group of some elders got together in the community. And Michif has predominantly been a spoken language. It was never, ever written down, and it was a combination of different languages, like French, English, Cree, amongst others. * (15:30) And it's quite an interesting language, but it's still spoken; it's still the native tongue, I guess you would use, in the area of St. Laurent. And of course, over my history of time, I've worked with many of my, well, friends, I call them, right next door. They have taught me some of the language over the years.

Not all good, I'm sure. I'm sure I've learnt some of the bad words that they know, as well, but it's still part of the language that they speak there at home. But I want to recognize the three elders that have done the work to take that spoken language and actually put it in writing and make a dictionary, a Michif dictionary, and all those locals are from Oak Point, St. Laurent and area. So, that's great work. It's about preserving our culture.

Doesn't matter what cultural background you have, it's very important that you preserve your culture to ensure that you can pass that on to the future gen- erations that come behind you. And part of that culture is–well, a lot of culture's from fishing and trapping through the Métis heritage. Fishing is one –commercial fishing–as you're aware, but it's–on Lake Manitoba, it's predominantly through the ice. It's not open water fishing, with the exception of a short carp season in the spring. But it's still–none of it is out of boats. It's all either seine -net or gillnets through the ice.

And the amount of time that the com munity spends out on the ice collectively, I couldn't even imagine to add it up. But St. Laurent would have the largest commercial fishermen around the lake of Lake Manitoba, and it's part of their heritage. A lot of them, they work all summer, whether it's pipeline or gas or construction, and then they don't just sit at home and do nothing. Their feet get itchy.

As we're sitting there right now, fishermen drive out to the lake every single day to see how far the ice is out, and when it's out far enough, they walk out and they take their needle bar and they test a few holes to see how thick the ice is, to see if it's safe for them to go out and practice what they've learnt from their fathers and grandfathers and mothers and grandmothers that have all gone out on the lake fishing. And I would argue it's part of the heritage rather than a winter job. It's just so nice to see, and, as a matter of fact, one of my friends offered me to come

148 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 out commercial fishing with him one year, and we went out. And I thought the ice was a little thin, but, you know, these are the experienced people I'm with, and they have done this historically for generations. But this specific individual had probably been on the lake for, at that time, probably well over 30 years. They went out with his father when he was young, and grandfather when he was very young, and practised that.

And so we went out and, apparently, the ice was thick enough to bring out an ice auger, a gas-powered ice auger, rather than just a needle bar. And we went out. My job was to go drill some holes, so I was excited. Sure, I'll go drill some holes; I've used an ice auger before. And I go there and pull the cord, and it starts first pull, like everything's in prime shape at the beginning of the season. First pull, I don't think it made two spins and the ice auger went through the ice. We were on about two inches of ice. So, I'm looking around thinking, oh, my goodness, this is pretty thin.

Nobody around me is panicked at all, so, okay, I continue on. The fisher that I went out with, he starts pulling his drawstring, and that's the string that's attached, that comes through the hole and is attached down to the net that sinks underneath the ice. And as he pulls that drawstring tight, the drawstring is slowly going into the hole. And I thought to myself –never commercial fishing before–I thought to myself, oh my goodness, there must be a lot of fish in that net. They're pulling the net in. I was mistaken, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was mistaken.

What had happened, the lake wasn't frozen across yet, and it was a south wind, and the piece of ice that we were on just broke free and started floating out into the lake with us on it. Of course –probably a little panicked. We loaded up every thing that we could, and at that time of the year, when it isn't as safe as later on in the year, they actually carry a boat on top of their sleigh– An Honourable Member: Relevance? Mr. Johnson: Talking about Métis heritage. Can I continue?

So, obviously, out with my neighbour in the com- munity that was a Métis fisherman and, again, about their heritage, where Louis Riel used to come to all the time, we were out on this piece of ice that is now drifting off of shore. This was very concerning. We were fortunate that as the ice drifted by a point, we were able to make it out onto–back onto shore. Not e verybody on that piece of ice was that fortunate, so they had to get rescued, for the lack of a better term. But again, the heritage is so rich –the Métis heritage. And it all started way, way back in the day.

And Louis Riel, as a matter of fact, used to come up to St. Laurent quite often, but he often hid out when he was being sought after by author ities. He would hide out in Oak Point, which is my hometown, as I mentioned earlier, that is right beside saint–the town of St. Laurent but still within the m unicipality of St. Laurent. And so, obviously the heritage is very, very, very thick there. Now, a lot of our community members get together, as well, and they do the ride to Batoche every year, and I think we all know the importance and relevance of t he Métis history and the Battle of Batoche.

And I didn't–I've never been able to do the whole entire ride, but I have done little sections of it in the past. So, for those of you in the House that are unaware, my first wife was of Métis heritage, ob - viously, from St. Laurent –God rest her soul. But our children are of Métis heritage, and they recognize the importance of their heritage, as well, and including so much as taking up fiddling and a couple other things and the art. The school of St. Laurent actually teaches fiddling right in the school. It's part of the curriculum that you can take fiddling as a portion of your curriculum.

So, that's outstanding about maintaining your heritage. It doesn't matter what ethnic background you are, but it's very, ve ry im portant that you maintain your heritage. And that's what we're talking about here today, about recog nizing and ensuring that our heritage is there for all those that follow us to learn from. And I think this act today will put in writing the importance of Louis Riel and recognizing him honorary first premier of Manitoba, and it's im portant that we continue to teach that in the school. The Speaker in the Chair On many occasions, obviously, being from St.

Laurent, I've been –had the op portunity to bump

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 149 into many, many cabinet ministers from the Red River Métis. Obviously, because a lot of them are from St. Laurent–so, including Mona Buors. She's been a huge asset and advocate for Métis heritage and communicates, obviously, directly with David Chartrand on a–what I would assume to be almost a daily basis. But St. Laurent is so important. They have, right now, obviously it's a municipality so they have a reeve and council and historically the last two reeves have been of Métis descent as well. And I used to serve on the RM of St.

Laurent and, obviously, with my colleagues who were Métis at the time as well. And usually, the makeup of the commu- nity council is about 80 per cent Métis. But getting back to some of the heritage and some of the classes you can take. Fiddling, for example, is one that my daughter has signed up and learned some fiddling back in the day, not sure she's stuck with it too much.

When she picks up the fiddle, it doesn't necessarily sound like Mark Morisseau or anybody like that, it's probably–she needs to practise a little bit more. * (15:40) But Métis is such a mixed culture from back in the day, and that's what it's about. That specific mixture that have settled in St. Laurent is outstanding.

But, again, it's so outstanding that there was an exhibit that was made in the Smithsonian Institute in Washington, DC, and it has now returned–it was there for, I think, 12 or 13 years–it has returned back to the community, and we have been working together with them to try and build a museum or a space to display the exhibit that was in the Smithsonian. Originally, it was only supposed to be there for, oh, just a few years, but it was so popular that they kept it for well over a decade. And so that's something to be proud of for the local com munity.

And I have visited the Smithsonian, but it was gone already by the time I visited, so I wasn't able to actually see it in person while it was in the Smithsonian. Now, obviously, with fishing, it's very im portant to ensure t hat the Métis fishermen are treated equit - ably, and I think that's one thing that is left out of the gas tax bill is the fishermen will not be able to benefit from a tax holiday. The purple gas that they burn in their off-road vehicles is actually –they pay 3 cents a litre on that, and I don't think that that is fair for the Métis community members that we all ap preciate so much.

So, Louis Riel was the founder, obviously, and the Métis heritage still runs very thick in my commu- nity, and to all the people, all my constituents, I want to say thank you for keeping the heritage alive. It's so important, including the–now, the three members–one has passed–that put the dictionary together to ensure that the spoken language is not lost. It is now going to be, obviously, in black and white in a book that any - body can pick up and start reintroducing their culture, including my kids.

My kids are absolutely very interested in their Métis culture, and this will help them ensure that they can pass it on to their kids. But, on that, Mister –no–Honourable Speaker – Madam Deputy Speaker's gone, so–out of the Chair, but I'm not going to reflect whether she's still in the Chamber because I'll get called on that. But I would like to rest on saying it's just –thank my con stituents for doing such a great job on maintaining the Métis culture in the Interlake. Mr. Tyler Blashko (Lagimodière): It's an absolute honour to rise and speak to this bill. My great -great- grandma, her name is Octavie Riel.

She's actually Louis Riel's youngest sister. And so–yes, fun fact. So this bill means a lot to me personally, for my family, but also for my com munity. My great -great- grandpa Louis David Lavallee was actually one of the people who went to Regina to retrieve Louis Riel's body after he was hung. So this means a lot to me. This bill is an–important because Louis Riel played such a foundational role in establishing Manitoba but also bringing Manitoba into confederacy. They esta - blished the Métis –sorry, in 1869, he led the Métis people in esta blishing the Red River Settlement.

In this provisional gov ernment, they adopted a list of rights based on multicultural, bilingual and inclusive vision of a province that respected the rights of Indigenous people. We're still here working for that. The list of rights was accepted by the Government of Canada, so in

an act of government to government, bringing this provisional government into confederacy as the basis for the Manitoba Act in 1870 and the esta- blishment of Manitoba as a province. Louis Riel himself submitted the name Manitoba, and it was chosen by the Government of Canada as the name for the province. The name Manitoba is derived from Cree, Manitowapaw, or Ojibw e, Manidooba, both meaning straits of Manitoba, the Great Spirit. Louis Riel was forward-thinking in his vision and he is a true Canadian hero. He struggled to protect the

150 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 27, 2023 rights and freedoms of his people and has helped make Canada the great nation it is admired as of today. Given Louis Riel's vast contributions to Manitoba and the province, the gov ernment should, therefore, support this bill–or, the opposition should support this bill–and bestow the honorary title of the first premier of Manitoba onto Louis Riel. Members of the provisional government were drawn from First Nations, French, English, Irish, Scottish and Métis communities.

In some ways I feel like our caucus today is representative in the same way as that initial provisional government. Louis Riel was undoubtedly a notable figure in both Manitoba and Canadian history. He embodies the struggles of Métis, First Nations and francophone peoples across Canada, the racial tensions between white settlers and Indigenous peoples as a devout Catholic, the religious history of Manitoba playing a huge role in his upbringing and his career. So we actively sought negotiation into confederacy and, as I said, Riel drafted one of Canada's first bills of rights.

It was –sought to protect French- language rights, which makes him a huge hero to francophone communities across Canada. It also included rights to education and property rights for the Métis. So no matter your opinion on the man, there is no disputing that he helped shape the province we know today. Across Canada, in numerous communities Riel is commemorated in many different ways, with streets, schools, neighbourhoods. Examples in Manitoba in- clude the landmark Esplanade Riel pedestrian bridge linking old St.

Boniface with Winnipeg, the Louis Riel School Division, the Louis Riel statue right outside, Louis Riel Avenue in old St. Boniface, Riel Avenue in Vital's Minnetonka neighbourhood and even on Keepin' it Riel T -shirts, sold at Festival du Voyageur. Riel is also recognized as a martyr for Métis and francophone peoples in Canada, given his constant fight to have their rights recognized. As a founding peoples of Canada, the Métis have much to be proud of.

Riel's contributions to the esta - blishment and dev elopment of the early Métis are integral to today's Métis community, and when you hear folks from the MMF –David Chartrand, Anita Campbell, different active members in the Métis com- munity–Riel is constantly referenced as a key political figure in Métis politics but also the founding of our province. The rights that were established through that first bill of rights extended all the way into the Northwest Territories, and also extended to the settlers there.

These demands included an elected legislature, representation in federal Parliament, official status for both French and English and an economic plan for the Métis. Riel's forward-thinking vision formed the founda- tion of the Manitoba Act of 1870, which brought our province into Confederation and provided language, religious and schooling rights for both French and English-speaking Manitobans. Years ago our gov ernment recognized the third Monday in February as Louis Riel Day in honour of the significant place Louis Riel and the Métis people hold in our province's territory.

By embracing Riel's devotion to social justice, diversity and liberty, we can ensure that all Manitobans have an opportunity to share fully and equally the benefits of life in our province. * (15:50) As an educator, I can speak to the importance edu- cation can play, and the role this bill will play in furthering the vital edu cation of people from across the province, and particularly in our school systems. It will give us an opportunity to introduce Michif in an important way into schools through the teaching and history of Louis Riel and the Métis people in the province.

It'll give young Manitobans an insight and appreciation into Riel's vital contributions to building the foundation of our province. Although Riel hasn't been recognized as Manitoba's first premier, he has often been recognized as a founder of Manitoba in his role as president of the Legislative Assembly of Assiniboia. He essentially acted as premier before Manitoba's confederation in 1870. By learning about Louis Riel, Manit oba students will learn about the history of our province, the Métis people and language rights.

This bill embraces Riel's devotion to social justice, diversity and liberty, and his belief that all Manitobans should have an opportunity to share fully and equally in the benefits of life in the province. In the establishment of February 20 as the Louis Riel Day in Manitoba, we went to the people and we sought out advice; and Louis Riel Day was the day

November 27, 2023 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 151 that came forward. Names were submitted–had to be required–relevant to Manitoba and reference our history; and Louis Riel was the name that came forward in the end. Unlike holidays in other provinces, Louis Riel Day is unique to Manitoba, and the name itself reflects the history and culture of our great province and the importance of Louis Riel. In fact, Louis Riel Day in the rest of Canada is often recognized as November 16, the day of Louis Riel's murder. Our diversity makes us stronger today and every day.

We pay tribute and–to the pride and strong spirit of Métis communities that have fought so hard to have Louis Riel recognized as Manitoba's first premier. We strengthen our multicultural roots by making and acknowledging this change, and recognizing Louis Riel as that first premier. This is something all Manitobans should be proud of and should celebrate, and nothing the province of Manitoba is on–and something the province of Manitoba is honoured and proud to support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Speaker: Are there any other speakers?

MLA Billie Cross (Seine River): Honourable Speaker, I'm proud to rise and speak to this bill. As a Métis woman who grew up in a family where she was told to hide her identity because of the marginalization and racism she would face, I am so proud to stand on this side of the House and do what is right, to bring truth and reconciliation to a province that desperately needs it. As a teacher, I already know that students are learning in the classroom that Louis Riel is the founding father of Manitoba, that he was our first premier, that he fought for our rights –not only for Métis citizens, but for all Manitobans.

I stand here and bring voice to people who have not had a voice. I stand proudly to talk about my grandmother, a Métis woman who went to residential school, who spent two years in a school, and even- tually grew up on a trapline. A woman who couldn't read or write, who experienced poverty and hard times most of her life, a woman who was proud to be Métis but couldn't tell the world who she was. She instilled the values in me that I carry today to be a person who can be proud of who they are, openly. By proclai

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