Volume XL Thur sday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 44 26 May 1988

The House met at 3:00p.m . MR. SPEAKER (McNicholas): Order·, please! Statements by Ministers PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr . Spc;!aker . MR . SPEAKER : The han . the Premier . PREMIER PECKFORD: I I}.Jant l.:o i~eporl: l".o l:'.he llotJSe, or· I can do it under Answers to Q 1.1 l'! s t. :i. on s For· IJJ h .i. c h No l: .i. c ('! h a s been GivE! 1'1, ld nd of I: hi ng, from y (~ s 1: (o! I" d a y a s .i. I: r e l. a 'I: r'! s t o l.: h e allegE!d problE!mS wi -l:.h thE! aiAiainding of spe1ce i'..lnd so on as ·i.t relal:'.es to the Workers' Compensation A pp e a 1 T I" i. b U 11Cl 1 . I c a n E! t t h E!

In d o it n ou1 or do it latE! r, so I a rn at. the mercy of the House. MR. TULI<: Do you have a statement? PREMIER PECKFORD: Yes. It ts just verbal right now but, I will provi~e some information later. I just want to do it as quickly as I can, bE!CaUSE! I IJJas in meE!tings on it through lt:Htchtirne, thE' Minister of Labour (Mr . Blanchard) i'lnd myself. I met Ell l.unchti .rnE!, Mi~. Sp<,~akor, IAiil:h M1~. David Buffet. ThE,re arE' two tiTings hE!rO. IAJh'i.ch lAJere of sottH~ concern yesterday. One was the p o s s :i. b ll. J I: y of Co n f'l :i. c I: of Interest as it related to Mr.

Buff(~t J.n h:i.s rol.o as Cha.i.i"HicHl of the WtH'kE•rs 1 CompE,nsat.ion Appeal Tr·:ibunaJ.' i'tnd I·.: I·H:! CliAJflind·i ng or spdCE! Lo a company. The two is SIJ(:!S dine' on(:! I whEd.:h(:!ln l::l'lC:!in(,~ IJ..Jf:'lS any conf1i.ct. of i.l·tt(:1rE!St in Mr. Buffel:'s cas(,~, and l:.IJJO, IAJas the L2351 May 26, 1988 Vol XL awarding of the appropriate. They are SOTnli:1What bE!CaUSE! of the of the company. contract linked :in ouJ n E! r· s h t p Wha ·t.

I dj.d thts rnornj.n~1, b<,!cause 1 wanted to clear up the question of c o n f J. i c t of :L n t E! r· E! s t , t h e o n J. y uJ a y t:o do Utal:., I thought, lAJi~\s l:.o lllE!r=!l: with Mr. BufEd:t rnysE!J.f. Tho Conflict: of Interest GuideJtnes and lE!gislation nou1 in pJ.acE' appJ.y to publ.:ic sc,~rtJanl:s, l::o tnetnbE,rs of t h e H o u s E! a n d t o rrd n i s t. E! r s . T h e r E! are no Confl.ict of Interest GuidE:~linE!S- IAJhich apply to this p r.:\ i" t . i. <: 1.11. a i'' c i. 1n c u rn s t an c E! .

I n o t h C:! r wor·ds, I could not refer i 't t:o the ·IT:i.bunal l so 1-. 11p l:o got a l~('!i"ld·inq on it. We haVE! I:H:!E!rt, fo1n about cl tnon-l:h notJJ, I"C:!V:i.<:!iAr.Lnq, as I,Jas sa:.i.d i n t h E! T h r o n E! S p E! e c h , L h E! IJ.J h o 1 E! conflict of :interest legislation as :it rela'l:E!S to rnernbE!rS of UtE! House, Cab"inei ·. mO'i.nist .E:!r's dnd public sE,rvants, and, quii:E! 1 'i I< ely, IAJE! IAJi 11. bl'! br·:i ngi nq ·.i. n sorne rtE!W lE,gislation on that before this session :is finished .

At the samE! time, WE! were' looking at, because we are looking at other j urisdicU.ons, try:i.ng t.o covE:~r off agr:~nc:ies, boards i:'lnd so on that are linked to t~e government. So, it :is quite likely we will deal with what now l:'.his issues brings up as a problem with conflict of :i.nt.erE!Sl, uJh:ich does not only apply l:'.o agencies and boards like the Worker~ 1 Compensation Tribunal.. Now, l.:he issue on Conflict of IntE!rest, giVE!n thcd: thE!InE' cH' E! no g 1 t:i. cl o J..i no ~' , J. s Ut d t yo 1.1 h i:l v e 1-: o look at it. thE!I'l as if' gu·.idE,J.:i.nE!S dJd apply i.~nd thC!Y do not. Mr·.

Buffet 1 s laiAJ partnE!r tl'l t.:he latAJ fii"ITI .J.S d ~;hai"l~holciE'!I" oF the company that tJJas awardE!d thE• spacE' so, l:h(:!l"eFor·(~, per'C('!pl:.i.on 'is t:hal:: Ml". BuffE,t could haVE! t.r·if''d t-.o USE! h'is posil:ion as l::he Chairman of No. 44 R23~>1

the WorhH'S' CornpensaU.on Trlbunal to get this company 1 s space to be the com p Cll'l y ' s s pace for· l.: h H Tribunal. So IAJhat I did was ask Mr. Buffo ·l: to COIIIO SE!n ITIO, IA.Ih:i.ch he did. I asked him straight out, '~'\IC,11nE! you iniAJal~e of !:!10 private not of the law firm - interests of 0 n E~ 0 F y () u In 1 <:'\I AI pH r· 1: n E:! t' s spc,H:ifically as it reJ.ates to one of your la~ partner's interests in Terra Nova Enterprises Ltd?' I q u 1'::1 s t i. o n e d h :l rn o n t·. h a t il n d h e s ct i. d no, he was not awarE! and is not aware of the private interests.

I do not think you should laugh at this . This is pretty s E!r'iou s stuff. B(:1cause, on the om1 hand, I want to E!nsurE! that there is no conflict of interc.;!st, but, on t.h(:1 other hand, I do not want to destr·oy the;! credibility of an individual in this Provin~e. I could E~as:ily COlliE! :int.:o t·:hc,1 Houso this afternoon and say I consult:E!d IAJ:ith Cabinet:. and Cabi.net ht:~d issued an Order-in-Council to fire Mr. BuffE:1t because of l:·.he perceived conflict of interest. I thought 1 s~10uld gi.ve him an opportunity to sit down with me and let me ask htm the que.st i.on.

I can only b(:1lil'::we tAJhat Mr. Buff'E!t tells me, and he t:oJd lfle no, hc,1 .i.s not au1a1"e of thE:! private affairs o·f Mr. ME:!1~ce:1r, h0. IAJas not atAJi.H'O of it at the t::i.!Tl(:1. HE! IA.IE!nt on to :indicate that hE! tAJro te a let Lc:1r to L:he Oepu ty Minister of Labour after a public works official had assessed all thE! propE!r ·ties, and :it IAJas on thE! basis of thclt asSE!Ssmc;!nt. that Mr. Buffet, as Chairman of the AppE!aJ. Tribunal, wrote t:.he Deputy M:i.nister of Labour pointing out the threE! cornpcHLi.E!S t:hat SE!E:HnC'!d l:.o haVE! thE! bE!St face, and giving thE! pros and cons.

He cHd nol: comE:' out in h:Ls lc::!ttE!r and say 'I recormn~:!nd TEH'ra Nove\ Fnl:·.E!r'FH'i.sc,1s L2352 May 26, 1988 Vo1 XL Ll:d, I would Ruffc;!t As a matter of fact, bE! rnorE! COrJVE!I1iE!I'lt for 1: o h a v E! i l.. t n o n c,1 of it Mr. the it d OtAII1 town IAJOl.tJ.d haiJ(! oppOSE!d to ThE! OE!pU ty premises, because br~c,1n cl.osc~r for h'i.tn as where it was awarded. M:inis t:c::!r of Labour LhE•n 1.11 r o 1·. c~ r r· r~ a s u ~~ y Bod r' d a s k j n q f' o r pE!rrnission to au1ard t:hE! tE!I'ldE!r to thr-~ fi.F ·I:h on(,1.

The f"i.t"sL two or three did not qualify under the tendsr documents, in any case, because the tender documents indicate handicapped acCE!SSibility, parking spaCE! and so on. So I can only report to the House nou1 that I arn satisfied-·· I assulllE! a person's innocence unless it can bE! proVE!n othE!rwise -- Mr·.

Buf'FE! t ·is telling rne the:1 tr·ut:h, that hE! did not know of any of Lhe private :Lnt-.:E:~rE:1sl:s oF one of h:is partnE!r's -·- iL t.uas not LhE! ft1nrn of which hE! -L s &1 p r.~ r t , -i. 1: lAIC\ s L h n p r :L v i.'.\ 1: e "intE!rE!Sts of an :ind:i.v:i.dua1 :in thE! f-i.rm that hE:1 did not knotAI about- and that he accompanied an official from lhe Department. of Public Works when they surveyed l:ho btdld i.ng, and he dtd not makE! a specific rE!ComrnE:~ndation f~Vr that company. As far as lhn awarding of' the contract goes, frorn tAJhat.

I know e:1nd l:hE~ docutnE!n'l:s 1 IAH;!nt Lhrough this rnorntng and through lunchl:il'll~1, is thdt Ul'i.s seoms i:o be !:he most appropr:i.at.E! spc\CE! as -i.l: r·elal:es Lo par·ko:i.ng · and handicapped accessibility. I was not i'W.Jt.~re unl:.:il luncht.irn~:! I LIJas not aware this rnor·ning it ~;r.d.cl ad(:1quatE:1 parking spacE! :in the bookJ.et l:hat goes out with all the t:E!I'ldE:!r' docurnE!nts. Bul:. :J.t. also gOE!S on to talk about accessibi.li.l:y fr·olfl the handicc:tppl=!d fJ o i n t of v :1.

E!IAI , a n d ·Uw c o n l: In a c i: o r s a 11 h i:l d 1: hi. s a n d had l: o bid o n i 1: No. 44- 'R23')2

from that poi.n'l of view . So in looking at the whole cornplE!te situation, first of aJ.l I haV('! to acCE!pt, unlE=1SS proven otherwiSE!, that Mr. BuffE!t is telling me t he truth and, therefore, therE! IJJas no conflict of '.interE!St. Secondly, fr'om thE! docurne!ntation I have SeE!rl it s e c'::Hn s , g .i v e n t h (::1 t e n d r:1 r d o c l.lrn e n t s of handicapped accessibility, parking and so on, l.:hat l:hc'::1 app~opriate space was awarded to this company to IJJhom il was awarded. Unless I find out sorneth.i·ng d · i. ffE:1Y'E~nl:, that: ·i.s thE~ position I take at this point in l.::inH:1.

T do r'E:'al. - l.7.~':! l: l'k1l:. obv -L ou s J.y l:hcln(~ :is a I'H':!E!d, IA!h'.ich lAJB rC:1COgniZC:1d LhrE!e Ol" fo,Jr month!; i~\go, and t:hat is why we are doing a new Conflict of Inl: er'(;!:;t l...egtslal::ion (.)ct·. J·.o perhaps cover off in the future in l E! g i. s 1. cd: i o n , o I" r' E! g u 1 a t: i. o n , o r whatever, the whole question of other boards and agencies, which are really quasi government agencies and some guidelines governing ·thE! ITIEHnbE!rship on thoSE! boards and agencir:~s, so that th'.is kind of thing cannot bE! perceived to be a problE:~m in the ·Future.

I guess that i s where it alJ. lies as truthfully and as honestly as I can giVE! it at this point in timE!. MR. WELLS: -Mr. Speai<E!r. MR. SPt::AI<ER : ThE! hon. thr:1 Opposition . MR . WEL I. 5 : Mr . Speaker, so that I r~ol" ge L i 1". be Foro J s l. t Cl ss urne tha t at a later h on . t:. h e Pr e rrri. (;! r· -L s go ·i n g IAd J: h thE! ques l: ion oF l:hE! lAd. Lh pro S('!CU l.:ing app e dl ~; , L23S3 May 26, 1988 of LhE! do not cl OlAJI'l I I dat E! ·th E! l:o clr~a ".l. PI"OblE!m S and Mr. Vol XL BuFfet 1s posil:ton because of his prior· involvement .

PREMIER PECKFORD: Y~''S, ,[ l.J.Ji.J.l have t:hC\t l::h1':1 nE!Xl~ day or so. MR. WELLS: I will wait For hi s respon s e on that: . I j us t wanted to · check on ], t.. Mr . . Sp(:1ak(;!r, a numb E!r of qUE!S U.on s stil1 remait1 IAJith rE!SpE!Cl t·:o this matter . The letler Mr . Buff e t IAJr o t E! , thE! P r' (;!lni E! r say s i t lAJa ~., ·Foll.ow :lng d per'soni:"'l. ·i.n s pE!C l:.'.ion of the prE!mi SE!S, I do not knolAJ IAJh(d:h(;!r Ol" nol: Mr. BuFFEd: kne!AJ h:i s law partner, Mr . Me rcer, owned a /. r; p e r c E! n t J. n i.: e r· ( ~ s t -[, n l: h (! building or not. He says hE! d:icl nol: .

W8 J.J., T c a n noT. Si:·\Y h~C1 d:id . I find :it unusual that hE! dtd nol: , bu ·l· l Ci'\n only i'\ c cepl h :i~; statement. · I have no b as t s For challeng i ng his s tatement. A u t , M r . S pea I< e r , ud. t h r c:~ s p e c t , Mr. Buffet 1s letter relating to U·1o maU:E:1r indicalE!d th;:~l:. any onE! of the thrE!e wouJ.d be clCCE!ptabJ.E!, any onc:1 of l:hc,1 thrE!e, · inc1ud:ing thE! onE! at $11, and thE! Prc:.:nnier aff:i.rms that.

He did say perhaps the most desirable would be the fifth highest one, and he then WE!nt on to say, 1 ThJ.s building is entir'ely accessiblE! to hand:icapp1:!cl pE!Ople.' If that L.IJE!re a j us l:. J f' :i c a 't i. on For' 'i L , thE:' I" o lAJO u 1 cl be no problE!m . The ind:i .c aU.ons Lh~l: l.:he official. Opposition received was that t:hat building js le s s f.lccepl:i:\bl.(~ l·.: o the handic.appc:'d than the Water Street building, lA) h J c h lAIC\ !) ~p 1 !) 4 I.IC'Ir' (:1 r::- 0 0 t FH' () FH'! In t y .

P~FMIER PECI<FORD: But t:hE!Y aJ. s o had a $ 50 a monLh chRrge on park i ng o r s omel:hl.ng, l: hat $ 11 f '.i g u r E! . TherE! Lue I" E:! cl'l:: h (;! r· cos l:~;, Mr . Sf:l(:!aluH' . No. 44 R2353

MR. WELLS : I IAJould have to explore that. We asked somebody Familiar with the hE~ndicapped, a hand:icapped p~~rson, to ass<,~ss both buildi.ngs. H(~ d:id that assessment, and the asSE!SSITIE'!I1L 1.1.JCIS lr:~blE!d i.n Lho Hou~;E! YElSter·day.

T hat ass<,~ssrnE!nt -· a.nd T a s s urn 1:~ L h t,~ m a n ·i. s corn p o ·L o n t 1: o do it. lie has done that k:ind of assessment before, t belirnue, pElrhaps for the ProvinCE!, on some occas:ions ··- cl(~arl.y indJcaLI':~s th.::t-1.: the Water Str·eet property is more accessible, although not totally accessiblE! to the handicappEld, but :L"s lElSS impi'dr·(:ld from a hand·icappEld point of viElW than thEl Easter·n Canada BlJilding. So it is more desirable from a point of viet~o,J of access by t:.h1:~ handicappr:1d than the building that was rented.

NOIJJ, l::hEl 0 t'.i1(::lr thing l:.ha t fl.OIJJS out of this is that the letter thal:. IJJas IAir·:ittEln by Mr. Buff(;lL 1,/.,Jt·\S written apparently on behalf of l::he law fir·m MElrCf:1r, Spr·acklin iHld Hayward, bElcause that is thEl form in which the J.c-:1ttElr is. That may have bE!Eln inadVElrtence, I do not know, but, i.n fac t , it IAJC\S a letter from the law firm recommending that a bui.lcl:i.ng in whjch the senior partner in the Ftrrn hi~\cl a 2!:i pElr u~nt "i. nl:er·osl: lAJould bt;l r(Hd:Eld. Tht-l'l: cl!'::1al"ly, by any s'l:c:lndi~\rd · of judgment:, IAJou l d bP. improper· and Mr·.

Buffet ought to be asked Lo explain that as well.. With respect to the $50 a month pdri<·ing, thi~ll st-L l. l !J.Joulc! not lfli:i~kt1 up , e v r:Hl if i i: we r r:~ so , for an add:itional $3.85 a square foot price. Mr. Speaker, everything that we have seen so far indicates clearly that the most desirable property From the point of vlew of i'lCCElSS to t hE! handiCf .. IJ:.lpEld and general suitabilil::y For th l s purpose was the Water Street properly.· ~lo I sU.ll do not st,~El L2354- May 26, 1988 Vo1 XL l::hi.'d: the iss1.1e has b(Hln pr·op(:1rly explained, and I refer also - AN l-ION.

MEMBER: ~ho owned lhe Strec:let: proper·ty? Mf~. WELLS: A c o 1 n p ;:~ n y c <.d. l. o d A Ll a n t. i c - PREMIER PECKFORD : Atlr-.lntic - that was the lol.UElS t btd . MR. WELLS: Atlantic Opportunities - AN HON. MEMBER: ACOA. MR. WELLS : Atlantoic Of -f'i c !'::~ something. Yes, produce the name. Office Properties. AN HON. MEMBER : Who owns that? MR. WELLS: Spact'l, or ACOA. I CtHl It !Alas At 1 ant .i c T do not knoiAI who OIAII'lS tt. Atlantic Office Properties, I l:wl'i.f:we, is OlJJned by Mr·. Duffee![:.; he has an intElrest j:n it.

I do no!·: k no1JJ · PREMIER PECKFORD: TtTs--1, o · t-~--8'l~rf' .. et t , i t ~i s o u f f El t . MR. WELLS: .. b l.l t: I IAJi l 1. f :i. J'1 cf 0 U t . M1~. Sp~;:1akr:~r, clearly thEl issUE! ha~:; n o t. b e u n r· e s o 1 tJ \'l c! . W h ·:i 1 El I a rn .:i. t. , Mr·. SpeakEll'', I should 'l::C::!l1 UlE! Hous~~ and Lhf:l hon. lhEl Pr·~~1nie1~ that the inforrnaU.on thEl hon. thEl Premier gave the House yesterday dOElS not appE•ar from thEl r'Elcor·ds to be accurate.

The records of UlEl company f:i.led :i.n the I~Elgist:ry -indicates thal: l::he Dc;lputy Prum:i .Glr was a director of that company For th!'::1 y(~iH'S 1982, 1983 and l9B4-. II: No. 4-4- R2354·

does, indeed, indicate that the shares were ·transferred to Mt~. Merc(:!r :in tr·u~d:. :i.n 1979. ~)o 1-:.he title tAJas transfr:!rTed to Donald A. ME! r c e r' "i. n l rust in 1 9 7 9 , as L he Premier indicated. I should aJ.so pcd.nt out that 1.98~; 'ind:icates th"! hon. JnE!rnbE!r' tJJi:'.lS a sharE!~lOlcler . I · beliE!Ve ·that to be :inadvertencE~. because,~ it does not indicate thE!re was a transfer out. So, I th-.ink that is jusl:. a typographical E!rror, and I make no issue of it except I polnt it out.

But the share lists do :indicate that the Deputy Premier was a director of that company for thr·ee st.r·<ri.ghl: yem·s. 1982, 19H3 and 1984, and if that is in fact so, Mr . Speaker, Lh'"!l'l l:hr.1t. "Ls i'\1'1 involvement - AN HON. MEMBER: This :is tJJrong. MR. ~\I[ LI_S: -=-·Tiltl~'e rnctnagemt'::~nt of ·the company and the ~;tatemenl : by the han . i : ht~ Premier yesterday that he played no r·ole in the l'llr'l.nagernt~nt of t.·.he company tJJould not appear to be correct if those records are correct, and we have no re!ason to, believe they are not.

The whole matter rE!SoJ.ved, and I ask examine the matter has not be,,~n thE! PrenniE!r to further· and report further to the House. SOME HON . ME~BERS: Hec'lr, l'lE!ar! DR. COLLINS: A point of ord~r. Mr. Speaker. MR. SPF.AKER: A point.: or or'd ( :'l~, l.:he hon . l:. h (~ Mini ste r of Health . Mt~. Spe·<:~kE!I". I Ud.nk 1-:.hE! hon. l:hE! P r· '~ m i. o r· t n d "i. c i'l l ('! cl y E! ~' t ( :~ r· d cl y l h a 1:. I L2351) Vol XL. hr.l.d given hi.m some:~ 'LnFor·rnal':.:i.on about my relationship wi t h thi s t~Jhol.~:! ITtati:.E!r, and ho r~~porLf~d that to thE! House.

Now, the hon . i:h~~ Leader of tht'::~ Oppos.it.ion ha s ju s t. indicated, or suggested, or .irnpl :l.E!d t.hal : th<:~t .inFor·mat.:ion is incorrect and, therefore, he i s Scly.ing l:.hal:. I gave tncot~rr:! C l: information to the hon. th e Pretn:iE:~r tAJhich tAJcl.s relaLE!d l:o l::h:i.s HOUSE!, MR. WELLS: No, no! AN HON. MEMBER: Yes. DR. COLLINS: T d o n o l: c R r· 8 1.1J h ~ ~ t h "=' r· i. t i. s tAl h a t the hon. the Lec-~dE!r of l.hl'! 0 p p o !; i. i: J o n s u J. d • t h <'l. i: 1. :; g o i n g L o be thE! undE!rstanding .

I tAJant Lo rnalu~ :i. l-. ..:1u .i. t u c l o '"in T cl o no t·. h a v 1:! any insight into how the Loader of the Opposil:i.on interprets an involvement by a director. Whe thC:~r I am d d'i.rec l:or of I: hE! company is immatE!rial, I sa:l.d I hRvo no "i.nvol.vetnl.':~nt I Lold l:.hE! PrEHni er this. I wrotE! to hirn o1·, this with the business decisions, coinrnE!rci .al ' acU.viU.es, or tJJhatevor, of t.hC:~ company, nor have I since 1979. Whether my name is still lisl:ed as a d:irecLor of the cornpdny is tot:a11y irrnnat.er·ial to that stat.E!ment.

T hE! staterrtE!nt says I have had no involvement with the business c:rfFair·s of that c otnpany. If thE! hon. of th E! Opposition, bl~ C cltt Sl"! in s otnr:~ rE!Cords dot..~.m J.n LhE! RE!gj_sl:ry, or· tAl h ct t e IJ <:! r -L t :i. ~' • rn y n arnE! .i. s ~~ n t r:~ r· E:' d as a d:irector, is therefor e :i. n d :i. c <:·1 t i. n g o I" ~; u q q e ~; 1·:. :i. n q o r imp1y:ing Lhat: I dtd haVE! an involvornent 1.1J i. Lh l_h e c oJrtPi'lny o t tho naturE! I just. rnuntiol'lE!d, l say ~;tr'i'l:i.ghi: oul Lhr:·l 'L i. ~ ; ~. n C OI"I"l:! C l'.: a nd No. 44 R23SS

I would expect him, as an han. gentleman, to make sure that that ls the undc,1rst01nding hr:1 has given thE! House. MR. SPEAI<ER: --------·-ThE! hon. the LecHler of Oppos i U.on. MR. WELLS: Mr. Spt~akc~r. ( IAJ.i.l.l. rnako clear i·.:he IJnderstand:ing I haue giur:~n the Hou~;e. What. T. Scl·.'i.d to UlE! House is that the records of the company, IAJhich the~ cornp;:1ny hc.·1s to FiJ.e e~;~ei"Y yE:1ar - it is cal1E!d a shclro lisl i ndicates who the shareholders are and who the directors are.

As the han. the PrE:!rniE!r satd, the hon. mE!mber 1 s shC!Y'C::1S t•.JE!Y'e transfc;!rrr:1d i.n trust in 19 7 9 ; the tit 1 e was transfer r E! d to Donald A. Mercer in trust. TI·H::!re appE~ars to bE~ a diffE!rE!I'lCB in 198S, when the hon. TnE!ITibE!r is shOIAJn to be a shareholder, bul: my gi.IE!SS is that is just a typographical error, an innocent mistake that has happened frequently ln the filing of the share lists and, as I said, I suggest nothing wrong.

Bu l: T. did po'i.nt oul thRt for I'. he thr·ee yc;!ar·s, 1982, 1983 and 1984, tho hon. rnJn-Lst<::'r, IJJhom l:·.he shc;11"E! list showed had ceased to be a d:i.rec'l:Oi" :i.n 1 9'79, I~.Jas not 1:1 cl:ii"E!clol" in 1980, was not a dirnct:or· Jn l9B 'I. , bocf:\IIIE~ c:~ dii"BCtor J.n 1982, I"E!ITii'.:lil'lE!d a cl 'i. r· e:1 c l:. o I" -Ln I. 9 8 3 , r· C! lrlc1.i n e cl i'1 di.l"eCtOI" :in 19!34·, and CE!aSE!d to bE! a d :i. r· o c l: or t n 19 a

r) an cl IAJd s not -i n 1986. That is IAJhat thE! share lists in~icate in the rog·i.slry. Dl~. COLLINS: Ar·e you saying I had an inuoJ.uE!TilE!nt IJJit:h thE! cornp<:HlY in 1982, 1983 and 19134-? L2356 May 26, 1988 Vol ' XL MR. WELLS : No. No. DR. -COLLINS : Clar:i fy t.ha t . MR. WELLS: lh!l"e i.s I.•Jhi:·d:: I c\ln saying . DR. COLLINS: I IAJi:Hll.: you l:o c ldr-Lfy :Lt! Ml~. WELLS: Sure, but in my terms, not the hon. mc~mbE:1rs. I IAJ ·i.ll. cl.arJfy i.t in my tE! rrns . SQME HON. MEMBER~ : HE~i'lr, heal"! Mf~. WELLS : ThE! pE!OplE!

IAJho helVE! rEH;pons:ib:i:Jty for the management of alJ. corporations- .. thE!Y haVE! it·., thE:!y haue responsibility for the rnanagE!mE!nt of all corpora L:i.ons are Li'H:1 d:ir·ec tOI"S. If t.:he minister d:i.d not parU.c:J.pe:d:E! as a d:irector, I do not kno1JJ that. I am saying that - DR. COLLINS: I scdd I. gi'.WO the hon .. _thE! Pr·c,11n·:i.er the information. · ArE! you doubting 'I': he han.

Uw Pr·c,Hnior? r1.[_. _WE L L_§ ·: All I am saying is that I have acllJ·i.sE~d lh0. hon. tho Pr'OITI.i.ei" t:hal: the rE!Cords of thE! company -f:iJc,1d i. n I· h o I" c~ o:::J :i. s L: i" y ..i. n d i. c a l: E:! l:: h a t: t h e han. minister was a director in l:!HCh of l:.ho~;e thl"f:!E! yE~di"S, and p C,11n hapS t: hE! h 011 , the PrE:! ITLi. 8 Y' IAJO U J. d Cl.OiH' tl'li'li:. ~JOIAJ, l:.hi:d: IAldS l::hE! full statE!rnent I rnade and noth:in~J any rnore thdn thal. §..Q1:1ULQ!~L-~~-~-~lB-~- : HE:~ar, hor:1r! MR. SPEAI<ER: Order·, pJ.ec~SE!! No . t~l+ R2356

The hon. the Minish~r of Fisheries. MR. IUDEOUT: Hn:~n k you, Mr. Spor.tl«~ r. Mr. Spec\bH', I am plEH!I!>Od t:o annotHlC<~ today that the Fisheries L o a n B o f.l r d i s n o IAI .i n 'L h <~ p r· o c E~ s s of mailing out applications for debt restructuring to all direct loan and bank loan guarantE!B clients of the Board who have loan balances as of March 31, 1988. These applications should be received by those cliE!nts by late 1Te x t week .

A p p 1 i cat. .ions for d ~;! b t restructuring have also been mailed to our rE~g:i.onal offic~~s and staff of the FisheriE!S Loan Board and f"i<;! ld re pr·es EHl t.a t:i. vr:~s IAJi.ll. be available to assist fishermen in the completion of these applications. A brochure will be mailed out with these appli~ations which wJ.11 provide information on who qualifies For assi.st~nc0, what kind of assistance is available, the 1-i.m:i.tat:i.ons l: o lhe progri:lfllfne and some,~ genE~ral information on filling out the appllcations.

F l s h e I" 111 E~ n u p o n r e c e .i lJ i. n g t h <::~ application should complE!te and r'E:'l:.urn thc,~rn to t.hE! F·.ishr:~r-iE!S Loan Board without delay so their appl.ications can be processE~d . as expeditiously as possible. When the Board assesses a fisherman 1 s application and determines the amount of clsstst.ancE:' mvailable, thE! appJ.:icant IAI:ill bE! aclviSE!d of the new status of his or her account. Add"it:ional staff have b<;!<,1n h:irE!d by t.l·1~:! Boa1nd to assJ.st in the implementation of this debt restructuring programme . Mr.

Speaker, as 1 announced on A p d. 1 6 , 1 9 8 8 LAJI'll:! 1'1 I I" Ed <,~ a s E! d t h E! dc~l:<:1i.ls of l::he d<:!bi: rE!~;lr·uci:.t . lr'·ing programme the thousands of 1..235'7 Mdy /.(), 1988 Vol. XI.. individual loans and circumstancE!S IAih··i.ch SUi"r'OUI'ld Oi'1Ch ITIC1.k(~ l.:hi.:; debt restructuring programme extremely complex. Thoi.~; typo of pr·ogrcHfllfiE! is basically a new E!Xper:lE!nCE! and i. l ·:.L :; , t h E:' r ,,~ f o I" E! , v E! 1" y d .i f ·F ·i c u ll.: to put a time frame on exactly how 1 o n g J. t m .i g h t 1:. a k e l.. o :i. 111 p l r,~ rn ~;! n t thE! entirE! PI"Ogramnw.

HoiAIE!VE!r, my staff IAr.ill Cll:tE!ITJpt l:h0.1 prou~ss c.d.l applications as quickJ.y as possiblE!. I look forward to the impJementatjon of this debt res l~r·uctur··i.ng progrcllflrrl~' and to the many worthwhile benefits it will br.-i.ng to tl·1e:~ f:ishing indust:ry of this Province for many years to come. Mr·. Sp(~dkE!r, r rn·ight add :i.n closing that· during consid<;!ration of ·l:h<:! clepdr'tlfiE:11'lt 1 s (~~;l:LtnalE!S -.:Ln Cornm:i t tE!E!, and I I:H:!lJ~:!VE! a dc:ly · or i:IAIO <.'tlJO ·in L:hc:!

J-lou~;c:!, tAJhen an amendment to The Fisheries Loan Borird wms being debated, the implications for fishermen in b:H' m :; o f R e lJ ~;! n u <~ C &Hl i:H~ a IAJa s raised . I indicated to the Cornmtttee bRck ct Few weeks ago that IAJE! IAJOUld ati':E!TIIpl to · ·i.nvE:~s hgc:d·.e thflt rnaU:E!r. WE! have donE! that now, Mr. Speai<E!r, and WE! have had our l:.ax exp<'!rt., our· Lax consultant hold a number of meetings and a number oF d i s c u s s i on s wit h R e v E: n u E!

Can ad a and th<~1 advice :is that l·:her<;! has been no change in the advice gjven us sov<;!r·al months ago, lAJhen tAlE! sought adv-iCE! frorn our tax E!XpE!rt on t:his rnatl:~'r. In ol: hE!r' IAJords, thE! process WE! haVE! choSE!n to usn IAI t 1 1. h i:~ v E! rn J n :i. 1 n c1 l , .i f i"l n y , E! f ·f C'! c t. on the tax burde!n of fisl·wrrnen. H OIAIE! V (:~ r , at l: hE! ·t".i.ITIE:! !Ale cHll'l 0 U 11 C E! d l·.he pr·ogrdmrn~:!, IAJO as!<'''d f:isher'l'rlen to make surE! UiE!Y consult~ LAril":l·l l.:he ·ir ot~Jn aucli.l.:ol~:; bofor·c !: hoy d<:!C:idE!

IAJhE:~ther• 01" not l:.h~:!y IA)c;\l'lt l:.O No . lj.Lj. f~2357

participate in this programme. Btjt WC:1 have consul ted lAJl t:h ReV(oHllle Canada and the advic_E! is no, there will be no problem wlth the pr og r amrnE! . MR. W. CARTER : Mr. SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the member for TlAJi.ll·.'i.ngf.~t(~. MR. W. CAIHER : Ml". Spe:1ake:H', I IAJelcom~1 that la·tesi: pi.OC('! of n(:!lAJ~; Fr·om th(~ m'i.n:i.st(~i", because it lAJas a ~~OUI"Ce of g1neat concEH'I1 to lll(~lnbor·s on l:.h'i.s stcl(~ oF HH~ H o u s c,1 and , I am s u r c-:1 , to f:ishe:H'1nen, as lAH:1l.l. 111.11:. I i:-\Jn l"athE:!r SUI"prised, Mr.

Speaker, l:hal t:hE~ JninistE!r fr•eque:1nl·:.ly r· ts (~S in hts place and makes Ministerial St:.atr::!l'n(;!nts, somE~ of IAJhich c:H'(:1 very, VE!ry IAiorthwhiJ.E! and sornE! IAihich are very minor. I arn rather surprised, Mr. Speaker, that - SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!! MR. W. CARTER : When you have something to say, Mr. Speaker, maybe it is IAIOrth sayi.ng .i.l:. Mr·. Spec-\!<GH', as i·.: he hon . 1-.ho PrE!mi(H' wiJ.l know, I am surE~, being i:l Cabinf~t coJl(,1i:1gl.IE) oF m.i. ne, most of the statoruE:1nt.s I rne1dE! hE! a Fl p r' 0

l) e d () r i:·1 n d h () (;! n c 0 u r· i.·1l] () cl I'll(;! to TIIC.tke thE!Trl. Ml"' SpE!ab~Jn I it i.s lnathr.s!r str·angE! that Lht:! mini.~>LE!l" lAJoulcl l"'i.so .i.n Ud s p 1 a c E! t o d a y a n d rna k ~~ a ~~ r E! a ·I: d e a 1 0 F f u s s () v 0 In t h (o1 F (" c l L h a l. IAJC::1 are going to be mailing out a J.itl:.J.e br·ochtJr'(;! l·:o f.ishc:!r'ITI("!I'l and a n a p p l i c a t i o n , IAJ h e n l a s t v.1 E! e I< l.IH.~ L23S8 May 26, 1988 Vol. XL saw a situation where a fish plant on the South Coast collapsed financially, causing probably 500 people i:o AN HON. MEMBER : That is not true. MR.

W. CARTER: IIIJell, IJ.JO ~;atAJ l::h(,1 F.ish p1anl: close, 0 r Fa i 1 t 0 r \'! 0 p E! n I f 0 r lAkHl L 0 r· flnanci~l ass.Lsl.ance which is going to s (;! (,~ pro b a b 1 y 5o o p eo p 1 e l:hro1~li'l out of L\JOr'k <:'lnd leavf~ a number of Fishermen hoJ.ding Lho bctg for $90,000 i.n back wages, yed: the m·inis'LE!r did not SE!E! f'i L 1:. o 1n i. s c~ i. n h i. s p l i'\ c e 1·: o a c q u a ;i, n l: the House with that problem . MR. SPEAKER: Or·cler·, plE!<'.lS~~! T h o h o n . rn E! 1n b <,~ r· 1 s L :i m \'! h a s 1::~ 1 a p s f:. d . MR. W. CARTER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER: The han . the member for Menjhek. MR. FENWICI<: Mr. Spe!aker, othE!r than cl FE!IAJ s mHll. d (,~ t a i.l s IAJ~1 h a v (;! a 1 r r;! 6t d y mentioned to the minister, WE! ar'E! completely in support of Lhe obj E:1Ct'ivE! of Lrying to r·ernove soJTJf:! of l.:hC:1 ci(::~b t fr·om t.he1 shouldE:~r·~; of our 'inshore FisherrnE!n lAJho, of co Ll r ~; e , h d v o go n (! U11n o 1.1 g h t I ·H~ s <:'llfle kind of dJfficult tim~~ th(;! oLhE:'In p d r 1.: 0 F ·1·. h (~ i 1'1 d I I ~; t 7' y cJ .i. d , d 1'1 d h i''l V ('! also been rescued. Ml". Speaker, lAJfi:~ helVE! only ono l"(;•dJ. Cji.I(:!St"i.on on this.

As [ J.ook 1;1t this, you ar·e talking c~bouL using i.:(:!ns of Lhou:;<:'lncls of dollar·~; , .in s OlliE! ins '1: an c e s , l:. o r \;! 1 ·.i.E! v E! i.nciJv·i.clui: 'tl f ·:i.shE!r'rnen of solnf:•· o·F their debts . I cannot see hoiAI that can be i nterpreted as anyth-ing othE!I" th<Hl a subs:idy for No . 1~4 R2358

our fishing industry. When I do l:hr.:d.:, T. bogi.n l.:O IAJOncfer IAJhal: IAJOl.IJ.cf happ~1n if thJs weln(;1 done, say, a yo i:H' or UAJO· y ~HH' ~; f I" om n OIAJ, I.AJh on '"''e enter· into l:his trade deal 1~.J:i.th Lhf:1 un-i.l.:~~cl ~3l:a"l:E!:;, ·.i.n IAJhj, ch IAIE! have a fiv<:1 or· six y(;!i.'IY' pEH'iod of l -j Ill 0 L 0 d (~ F i 11 0 ('!

X i:~ c t.l y lA I h "' t S U b S :u:l".H1 S c:un E! , It seems to me that this is one of the things that will be defined as a subsidy and that legislatures likE! this, years fr·om notAl, IAJ:i11 not have the option to bE! able to rE!SCUE:1 t:h~dr fishE!Y'InE:1n IAJhen thE!Y get into troublE! likE! this. That, Mr. Sp1'::1ai<E!r', is one of Htl'::1 costs, which our Premier and our Minister of Fisheries refuses to acknowledge, of E!ntE!ring into what is going to bl'::1 i'l d.isastr·ous l:r'i'\de deal for all of Canada, including our fishE!rlll(,1rt. MR. SPEAKER: Arly--fur"t h (o! r by r11i n is t e r s? MR.

WOODFORD: Min . Speaker . MR. r_,ORCAI\J: • NE!IAJ minister. New ministE!r. SOME HON. MFMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPFAKER: lh1'::1 hon. for· HumbE!r' Valley. MR. WOODFOfW: Mr. SpE!akE!r, I am p1E!aSE!d, on behalF of the minister responsible for Hydtno, to advisE! hon. TnE!rnbers that thE! cornmurl"i. t:y of Gr'i:Htd Br·u:i t on the Southwest coast: of Newfoundlctnd will receive electricity From the hydro grid for· the fir·s 1:: t ·i.rne t·:.omor'I"OIAJ. SOME HON. MEMBERS: L2359 May 26, 1988 Vol XL Hear, heal"! MR.

WOODFORD : rhj.S IAJi..J"."J. lfl(~i'll'l ('\ r•edi.ICi: 'i.OI'l oi_n electricity rates For the f 0 In ·1:: y r ""i. U f~ C l.l S t. 0 InC! r• S 0 F NE!IAJf ou ndland and Labt"ad or· Hy d ,,., o l"(~s.i.cl-i.ng i.n Ute coii"ITIIUI'Li.ty of Grand Bru:l t. Unt:il tod<'.t Y, LhE! pE•opJ ''! of Grand Bruit received their electricity requirements from d :i f:1 s E:! 1. g ~<:1 n ~~ r· a 1": i. o n , w h .i c h f o r· rn o r· E! than 600 kilowatt hours of consurnpt:.ion · rnonth1y is ITIOint:! expensive than electriciLy received frorn l":he hydro grid.

The cost or . connE!Cl:.:ing l":hE! community of Grand Bruit: by Newfoundland and Hydr ·o .is $660,000 and involVE!d thE! construction oF a slngl.e phase 7.2 k:ilovo1t line for a distance of 13.7 kilornE!tres frorn l:.he Hope Brook Gold Mine. SOME HON . MEMBERS: l·lear, hE'! Rr! MR. SPEAKER: The hon. UtE! 1rwmbE!i" for· Gander. MR. BAI<ER: T h a n k y o u , M r· . S p (,! a k E! r· .

I arn Vt:.!ry pJ.eased to rli:1spond l.:o lh(:! l'lN\J rwi.nt~;teln, glad l:.o Sf:!C'! him on his fE!,:!t rnClking a s LatE!rTIE!nt. 1 a1n VE!ry hi;tppy For· the peopJ.c,, of Grand Bruit, that they are now g o ·i. n g t·:. o b Q c h a r· g e d 1 e s s f o r t·. h c:• i l" E!lectricity and, hopE!fu1Jy, have a consistent supply of elecl":ricity. PREMIE~ PECKFORD: Grand Br·u.it. MR. BAI<ER: YE!S, I l<nou1 Uw Plnern:iE!r is UBI"Y k n o tAil "'! cl g ~'! a b l ~:! .i n F I" e n c h ; h e p o -:i. n t·. s out the French pronunciation. r:'i.B_-: _ __Fl_t~_Kf~B- : .

HOIAJOV(:'i", I wouJ.d li.ko l::o rnakE! just No. 4-4- R23S9 i ·->~-·

one comment about th:is. ThE!re ar·e many, many cornmunit:.i.Ps r..~1l. over Nc-?.tAJ'foundland, l::hr:~ South Coc;,s t of Newfoundland, the Coast of Labr·ador, and so on, tAJh-:i.ch are not connecl:E!d to thE! grid. Many haVE! to suffer t-.ht~ h:Lgh cost of d:i.E!SE!l generation and I would like to say to lhe act::ing rninistE!r iHld l:o l::hE! PrE!ITiiE!r of thE!

ProvinCE!, that now m i g h t be the t i rn t::~ tAl hE! n we c an g c,1 t away from penalizing thE!Se pE!OFJlE! bE!Causo of thtdr· gtwgr'c!lphy i'lnd. as a P r· o v :i. n c t:1 • p r· o v ··.L cb E:11 tH: t r J c i. 1: y c:-t t c:l con:-istent cost all throughout the Pr·ov.Lnce. Th~nk you, Mr. Speakor. MR. ~3PEAI<E:I~: Tht~ hon. tht:1 rnernbc;!r' for Menihc,1l< . MR. FFN~HCI<: SOI"I"Y I r't'!i'\l -i.zc,1 dOJAJI'l, Ml". Speaker'. t:hc1t ho had I did d 1 r· C! <:·' d y not ~; t~ l:: Hclving a look at the statement, Mr.

Speaker. tAJt::~ are talking abot~t $660,000 involved in constructing the line for forty-five families. w~dch JAJorks out to about $14,000 per family., wh.ich .is exper-1sive but reasonable. since. obviously. thE! diesel generating system was probably more expensive on a long-tC::H'rn bc:is:i.s. Tho only thing I would like to contr·ast is with LhE! announcement Jni:H:J e by t h c,1 s arn<~ 1n:i. n "i. s l.: e r· i."' tAJh-i.l ( ~ ago about the Roddickton op~H'Cil.:i.on.

Tn Roclci·i.ckl:.on iAHc' hr:1d two choices. we could have c:\1'.-l:.c:-~checl l.:hoJn L:o l'.hr'! rnajor connect, by l"unn'i.ng a J.:inE! up LhE:' North(n'n Pon"i.n~;11l;:-~, OJ" !AJ~1 tAJould haVE! put a tAJOod ch::i.p burning sysl·.e:11r1 ·Ln. We! macln Uw c:IHci.s ·i.on to put: t·:hE! wood chip or1ti! :in. JAJhich IAJ i:il S i·1 l. !) 0 i'l S c:\ V i. l'l 9 d n d IJ.J lri. C h pi"ovided jobs, but, Ml". SpE!aker·. i n L h a l.: c c:\ ~; e t. h ~'! t:r l ~=! c 1: r· .i c .i. L y r a i.·. r;! s L2360 May 26, 1988 Vol XL t~Jer·e not r'eduCE!d !:'.o Lhe :interconnect ratE!S and that: is unfair·.

The peoplE! of Roddickt::on should reced.ve the sarnE! Jnat:E!S as the people of Grand Bruit. It s houJ.d be E!qual trE!atrnent: j n both Cclses. dnd that .i.s Lht~ only complaint I have about the poJ.:i.cies pursued by !:'.his gOVE!rnmE!I'lt, Oral Questions MR. KFLLAND : Mr. Speak-er . MR. SPEAKER: ·rhe hon. lh(! rne1nber for· Na~~l<aupi . MR. KELLAND: Mr. Spectker, a UOCM news report:'. '.indicated that a CE!rLa:Ln qur.:~nl:.'il:y oF pl"oduco fi"OJII Lhc:! ~3pi"Unq grE!E!nhouse hc~s bE!E!I'I durnpE!d :in Robin Hood Bay.

My inil.:ial reaction to that would be that this JAJat: substandard culls or something that was not normally marketable. I ask would the Premjer give confirmation that l:.hat :is !':he cc,SE:1, and per'haps J'JlClkE! a comment on thE! quantity t.AJ~:! iH'E! talk:i.ng about:? Ml~. SPEAKER: The hon. tht::1 PrE!rniE!r .. PREMIER PECKFORD: T. clo nol: !<notAl i.F Lhe co1npany has 'issued a sl:aLemE!nt on 'it o1~ noL. 1'-11". ~:;pr:"i:·1kor. All T !<not~J J~;, starting frorn the fJrst day of pi"oclucl'..ion, the company has bE!On culling their produce and, 0 b

l) i. (II I ~; 1 y t h In 0 I I \j h j_ n s p ~:! c L "i 0 n s b y AgriculturE! Canadc'l and ~;o on, p u l:. I: -L n g o n t . h C! 1 n <.·1 r· k c t: t. h u J. r' bE:! s 1:. pi"oducE! baSE!d on siZE''• ba~:;<:!cl upon qu<:lJ.i.l .y dncl so on. R:igh-L f'l"orn lho f''.'i.I"S'l:. day l.:hE!I"C'! hcls No. 44 R2360

bE!t•n some pr·oduct::~ Lhal Lhoy tJJoul.d not put on the n1arket, u.Jhich was sl.:"i.ll. good pJnoduc(~ bul:. 1.1.1i:1s not i:.hE! r·i ~~ h t s :i z r:1 or u.J hat:~~ v E:H' , t h r:~ y h a v E! 1:) <'! o n p r· o v ·i. c:l "i. n g 1·: h a i:. c 1 1l. -, t:! d p J" o d 1.1 c r:~ to a food bt-1111< h~:!J"E! :in St. John 1 s 1.1.1 h e n t h o y c o 1 1 -, c:l . T n o I: h (:! r c a s <,~ !; they havE! bE!OI'I s<,d1 ::i.ng somE! oF the o r· q r:1 n i. c 111 a t o r· i. a 1. , 1 ·i. k l:! i h <~ v i. n <:! ~ ; IAih~Hl ti· H,~Y reach ·Uwir· maximum length, to farmers ctnd oLher people.

Other· pr·oducE!, which they do not S(dl. or pr·oui.clo l.:o i:l food bank, thr:~y dis card in I: he sarnr:1 way as any manufacturing oper~tion would discard certain culls that they have. So that is what ls happening. They are doing three things: They are prouid:ing some to the food bank; they are pr·ouid:ing solfle for sal.r:1 to fannE!rS, and . not only the cucumber·s thr:Hnsr:~l.ves but thE:~ v:irH~s and thE! organic rnater·ials; and o t:. h l:! r· p r· o d u c E~ , t h d t a r· e n o t acceptable in their view to E!il'.hE!r, t:.hE!Y arE:~ discat"cl.i.ng. '!'haL is, as I undr:1rstand it. from day one. Ml~ .

KFL.IJlND : A qt~ick supp]<-?.ruent:ary, Min . Spr:~aker. MR. SPfAI<ER: A supplel11(,11'1i.:c~r·y, +. :h<~ hon. l·.hc:! member For Naskaupi . MR. KELLAND: I IAIOI'ldE!Y' IJJould thE! · Ptnernier und(~r·ti:·lk"! l::o gE:~t l::h<,~ -L nfor·rnt:~l.: ion .. . I gu(~ss hE! would not readily have L L a 1: h a n d - a n d F -L ,., d o u 1:.: t h o I< i n d of quantities we are talking about in Lhat r(.;!<jai"d s o the:1.

L IAie Cc:\11 gc,, t sorne apprE!ciat :ion, I suppoSE!, of the level oF efficiency of what ls being produced, or what is rna r· I< e t a b 1 e a n d w h i:,t t: i s n o 1:.: marketable for various reasons? MR. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. t:hE! PlnE!rn:i~H' . 1..2361 May 26, 1988 Vol XL PREMIFR PFCKFORD : Mr. Spt':'!aker, I am sure the company lAd 11. in cl ·i c i;' ·1·. o .J us t cc! x a c L 1 y tAl h a 1:: the status of that situation i s . MR. GILBERT : f.l! r· . ~'> FH'! ill k E! r . Mf~ . SPEAKER : The:' hon . the rrJ E! nJber for· Buln'=J80 -­ l:lay d 1 [ ~; poJr· . ~B.._~_JliJJi.~-~ T : Mr.

SpE:1aker, I haVE! a cp.IE!S Lion for· Lh~:! Mi.nisi": .(:!r' oF Tl"ansport: .at·ion (Mr. DoylE!) . I IJJondE!r is I:. he Minister aware that-. the federal government and Terra Nova T r· c:l n s p o r· t h a u ('! _ m '" d e d d c:~ c i s .i. o n to put on hold a11 construction WOI"k on Lho Newfoundland Rail.way for this SurnrnE!r? What input has his govl::'r1'11nont had i.n rnaklng l:his dec:ision? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Lho M:in-.i.s l::<'!r' oF Tl"anspol"l:ation. MR. DOYLE: f.l!r.

Sp~~i'\ k (!;~I T cHfl cor·L·. i~.i.nl.y not: aware of that and IAIE~ IAIOUJ.d 1'10 L h i'llJ o n n y :i. n p 1.1 1.: -i_ n to ·-i_ 1:. . I I.A.JO U J. cl suggest that if the hon. ITIE!I'J'IbE!l" ;n e 4 1.1 i. i" e s El d d ·i l:. :i. o n i'l J. :i. n F o r• n 1 cl t. L o n hE! give Terra Transport a call. Ml~. CIUlEin : Min. Speaker. MR . SPEAKER : A supple~m~~ntar·y, l::he~ hon . thE! member for Burgee - Bay d 1 Espoir. MR. GIL.BEfH : Mr·. Spet"k<:H', possibly l:h.is is i.it bit rnore serious than the rninist-.er IAiould lAiani:'. t:o admit, bE!CiHISE! I am SUrE! thE! rni n J S t: E!

In S 1'10 U 1 d bE:! i:liAicH' E! ' there arE! 200 Newfoundlanders - MR. SPEAKER : Or·d<,1r', pl~~a:;e! No. 44 R2361.

Would the hon. fll(:~rnbt~r pl~~asc,~ i:·lsk hJ.s question? MR. GILBEin : There are 200 Newfoundlanders going t.o be dtHliE!d part-·i::i.mt~ jobs For thE! Summer, so tAJould the minister now make representat io n to the CN or Te!rra Nova Transport to s ~H,~ iF t h .is is li'H,~ cas<::~? WJ. ll those people be rehired? MR. SPEAKF.R: The han. the r"'i n is t E! r· Transportat:ion. MR. DOYLE: Mr·. Speake!", as I indicatE!d to thE! member thi s i s a federa l. l"E~spons:ibi1ity.

The pt"ovincial go,Jer·nrn(~nt hd~; no i. npu 1·.: a~; l:o ~~~h.:,,t LinJE:l Tet"l"·CI Tr·anspor·t r·ehit"E!S J t·:s Stll'lll'T](:!In 111a "i. n l.:onance cr·~~IAJS. 1 IAI"i. 1.1 ch(:~ck :into 'it Fo1n thc,l hon .. rnc~mber <:\ 1'1 d f -i. 1'1 cl 0 l.l t lA) h d l:. 1:: h ~~ I" 0 i:l S 0 1'1 '.'i. n ~ ·1. ~ ; for thctl and report later on. MR. GILBUH : Mr . Speak<:1r . MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary . MR.

GILBERT : Will the minister now confirm that the agreement to shut down the ' Newfoundland Railway has beeh made and the government is only deciding on the right political mornE!nt t:o .inform UH:l pE:lopl.E! of Newfoundland and Labrador of this dE:1d.sion? MR. SPEAI<FR : ThE! hon. the MinJ.ste1n of Tlnrftnspor·tation. Mf~. DOYL.F:: : Ml". Spei'lkE!l", no such dE~cts::i.on ha s bE:!en lfldcle. MR . FURFY: ------ -·-- L2362 May 26, 1988 Vo1 XL MR. SPEAKER : The han. the member for St. Barbe. MR. FUREY: Mr.

SpE!akE!r, I IAIOU}d J.i.i<E:' .to <.~Sk the Premier has he issued a letter to the Deputy PremJ.er approving his cornpany' s inuoluernE!n t in J.easing off' jcE• spacE• to +:lw Workers' Compensation Appeal Tribunal? SpE!Ciftca11y, djd lw issue a latter approving that? If he did, would hE! tc1blE! it:. in t:he liouso? MR. SPEAKER: Th<=~ hon. t.hc-) Pr·~:Hn'iE:H' . PREMIER PECKFORD: Did I issue a letter approving ofr t cE! spc:\cr ,, be .. ing l.oi :·l!>ecl? No.

If I und~::'rstand IAJhal·: Lh~:! hon. rn o rn b o r· i. s s <'l y "i. n q , .. b "" c k ·i n :1. 9 '7 9 , IAJhE!n thE! nd.ni.stc,~r IAJrotE! and Jnfot"IIIC:!cl 111n o f l·l'i.~; "i.nvol.VE'!IrlOnl., I wrote him back under the i" ~~ g 1 1l. "' L "i. o n s , a n d t. h c:\ l'.·. i s IAJ h E! r' o J t .is. MR. FUREY: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : A supplementary. MR. FUREY: Mr. SpE!akE!r, thE! PrEnnier' w:U1 kno1.1J that undc;!r t.he r·egulat.i .ons thi:'il :. he IAJrote, guidE! LinE! 3 says that tAJhj 1E! holding of · f . icl:~ a 111 i.nis ·U!r' -.. Mr~.

FUREY : I :; h o aiAJi:H' 0. , M 1" . 3 p E:! ;.:,, !< e r· , L h a t that gutdelJ.ne says that a rn i. n i. !; t f.:! i" h o 1 cl i n g o F f ·i. c a , ' or· a b o d y o I" o r· g a n i z a l':. i o n J n IAJ h :1 c h h E! he:\ ~; i:·\ f :i. ndl'lC i.dl ·j 1'1 l'.·.t:!Y' B S t:., s hall not, IArithouL fii" !>L ob t:cd. ning i:\ p p 1" o 'J d ·r ' d :i. r· E~ c l.l y F r· u rn t h e Premier 'be eligibJ.e to re c eive No. 1.~4 1~2362

benefits from the Province 1 ? As such, I ask l.:hf:~ Prom.ior i'lgc.'li.n, did hE! sp<:~cifically approve of the DE!puty Pr·E:~miE!I" 1 s tnvol. vc.:~Ht~=~ni:. ··in a c o rn p a n y f r o rn tJJ h 'i c h h E! r· E! c Ed v e d l:w n E! f -L l: s f r· 0111 l:: h l~ P r· o v j_ ,., c C:!? D"i. d l·w appt"ove ·.it :in tJJr•iting Fot" both I h C IAIO I" k e I"!) Mf~. SPF11KFR : 0t"clf:11'', pl<:~dSE!! MR. FURF.Y: Sorry, Mr. Sp~aker . PREMIER PECKFORD: I IAIBnt back ancJ MR. SPEAKER: Orclr:~r, plr:H~se! PREMIER PECKFORD: I am sorry, Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKEr~: The hon. member has asked three questions, so I presume the Premier is answering the first. The hon. the Pr·e:~m:le:H'. PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr•. Sp~~a k C:'r, T PE! t"f o rlii!::H:I under Lhe Conflict of rny r·o l E~ Interest legislal:ton bctck in 1979, where the,~ Oc.:1puty Pl"E:!rn:i.et" ".infol"TTIE!d me,~ u n d o l" l: h o r· E! 9 ul a 1.: ·i. o n s t: h i'1 t: h

E) h ,,, cl th:is Jnt.el"E!St, and l:hat it t.uas put. 'i.n ll"tlst:. 'ThE)i'l T t"f:!sponcl~)cl say·.ing, thi:lnk you VEH'Y much and I s o ~=· n o p i" o b l e 1 n h (~ r· t) , o l" 1.1.1 h i'\ l: e v e r· thE:! IJJOt"d:ing IAJas. I do no'l: r·<:~ITl('!l'flbE:!r' • IAihr;lt l·:ho f~Xi'\Ct:. IAIOr•cl"i.ng IAJas . And that: is l:he last I hE!ard of i t u n 1.: i 1 i t IAii'l s r· a i s ~;:~ d i n t h E:! House,~ :i.n l:hE! last fE!IAJ days. So t h a t .i s w h E:! r· E~ .i. t i s f r· o 1 n 1 n y p o :i n t of vieiAJ, sirnply 'thclt . And I accept tAJhctL lh(,~ hon. rntnts'l:.E!r' t:ol.d me at: thE!

UrrtE!, that: he had put: :it :i.n li~l. tsl and obviously would haVE! no involvement with the company. And that is what has happened, L2363 May 26, 1988 Vol XL MR. FUREY: A f i. n a J. s u p p l. c me n t a r y , M r· . S p e a k <:~ r . Mf~. SPE11KER: A final supplementary . MR. FURFY: CuJclcJ:i .no Speai<E!r. 3 -j ~; l) (c! 1" y C l 0 i''i r• , r~ I" . I L says thdl: anybody - MR. SPEAKER: Oi"dor, pl.~H~SE:~! MR. FUREY: Ml". SpeP.lkE!r, I IAIOUJ.d likE! l·: o ask t: h o P l" ~~ rr1 :i 1:! r· c.'t r· c~ 1:. h e g u :i d E'! 1 :i n E! s j , u s t a f a r c C.;! ?

H a s h E! i s s u E! d dpprOVi'\J 1'.0 c:'IJ.J lfl:i.n'i.!>l:E!I"S? l·las hr:! given a blanket letter to all rnt n is ·t C'! I" s , t h d t. i'1l: any l:. :i rnr:~ l: hE'! r· E! are questionable practices they ar·c,~ autorni•lt:.:iCi''J.J.y IO:'X<:~mpl:? Is !':.hat: what he is saying? MR. SPEAKEr~: OrdE!r, plE!aSE!! The hon. his Sl.lppl.(:~rnE:~ntdr·y rni:ldc;! a spE~f:!ch than asking i'1 question. finaJ r·athE!r I r-.lrn goJng to r'E:'cogniZE! -t hP lliOillbPr' rOi" Mon'i.hE!k. thE! hon. MR. FENWTCK : My quE:~stJon, Mi" . SpE:!akel", :is fol" t h n M · i.rli. ~' tr-~ ,,. o r· PREMIER PFCKFORD: Ml" .

SpE!akE:~r, I feE!l obl·igat:E!d l:ha L I haue to respond to that allegation that was made. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SIMf\1)~ : YE!S, and ho asked a quest :.i.on . That: tAl cl s a poi n t of o I" d E• r· by U·1 E! P r· ern.i E'! r·. Mf~, SPEAKER: No. 44 R2363

I r·ecogn:i.Z(:H:I fol" Menihek, I.•JaY I lAJOl.ll.d !":he,! hon. t.hE! I'IIE~JnbE:11" but if he IAdll give cd1l. on tho hon. t:he Pl"oruiE~r to answer that first ·quE!St:.ion that. was posed by the hon. member. MR. FENWICK : I yield, Mr. Speaker. fREMIER PECKFORD: All I want to say is I just do not 1 i k E:1 Ud s :i n n u e n d o a n d s o o n . 1 I s this a ·sort of farce? 1 Is it a far·c~::1 Lhat the'! LE:!aclr:!r' of UH~ Opposit:i.on does not tE!ll us about h.is $50,000·? Is ·it: a 1-iH'C<~ that: the,!

Leader· of. the Opposi U.on doE!S n o t r· E~ p o r· t (:1 u (~ r· y 1: h "i. n g L n h oi. s Conflict of Interest statement? SOMF HOI\J. MEMB F I~S: HE~i'..ll", hc,1ar·! PRFMIFR PFCI<FORD : T. dill noL sr-1y"i.n\~ :i. l: "i. s r:-1 Fc.'1I"CC:! •'tnc:l I do not IAJdnt the allegal":ion t.hr·otAJI'l r.-11:. rne. 1.1\JI'li:tt tAJds clone i .n thc-:1 case of the Oe:1puty PrEHTiier was I'H~ f 0 1.1. OIJJNI rHI d [ f 0 l.l. OIAHH:I 1·.: he guidelines of the Conflict of IntE!r'~1sL l.E:!g:i.sl.r:itl'.::ion that th"i.s administration was rE!Spons'.iblE! for bringing in.

Bul I can h1ll you one thing, we are going to be br.ing·:ing :in rnor·e Confl:.i.ct: or:=- Interest legislation to rna k E! s u I"B that lAJe knotJJ E:wer·y.th.ing that: Lh.e Leader of thE! Opposition got when he reports. We all thought we had to report everything and could not decide what we can keep hidden. We tAdlJ. aJ.l haVE! to d'isclose E! V (:'! r• y 1:: h 'i. 1'1 9 IAJCo1 9 0 t_ . MR. MOI~GAI\J : Not ke~~P ~;orn(;! hiddEHI i:'lnd discloSE! s ()I'll(:~ • _?Of!l:; . _l!.Q.~_:._ .. ~ FM QXJ(~ : Hc:~al", hedJ"! Ml~. SP(AI<LR : L. 2364. May 26, 1988 Vol XL SOME HON . MEMBERS: Oh, oh! Mf~.

SPEAKER : 0 r cl t:H' , p l e i::\ s c~ ! MR. FENWICK: Com~::1 on, guys! you? Telke it E!asy, wiJ1 My C[IH~st'.ion, Mr·. Spr:~akEH', is for· the Minister of Finance (Mr. W :i. n d s o r· ) , 1.11 h o , l b e,! 1 i e u c,1 , :i. ~; i n thE! · House or in the prE!C'incts. If the Mtnister of Finance is not:: hE!r'E!, thE:1n thE! Pt"E!rn'iE!J" may b<:! ab1E! l: 0 i~1n S lAJe r• 'J l . The qUE!st:l.on has to do IAJ'.i.t.h r: '" s 1·. (~ (! J. T n d 1.1 :; t I" 'i e :; . I l •i. s 0 u I" understanding, from informat'.i.on 1.: 1'1 i'l l: IAJ 0 I" (~ c e i.

I) e cl l. 0 d ril y F I" 0 In 1.: h e l"l;1ct::!iUE!r, that t.hei"E! have bE:!E:!n no responses to . the request For someone else to t ake over t::he o p o J" a i: ·i. on , <:1 n d , :i. n f d c i':. , n UIAI 1.: h ~:! y h a v e g i v EHI u p o n t h a t an cl t h E! y arE! about to p u t t::he physical. assets - the ste!el, the butlding, hll'ld, and so on up For tender La l::he hi g hE! s t bid d e r , and to d :i. s rna n t 1 E! the,1 opE:H'alion r:~s a going conct::!l"n. Cou l d t:he Pr'l:11rder or· l:hE! Min:is l:c~r·· of Finance confirm that or not? Ml~.

SPEAKER : Th(,! hon. the Prc:Hn:ic,1r. . f.B~.J.L.B._f_~ C K F o_~Q : I IAJOuld have to wa:i t t::o get t he latest i nformdt "i. on on :i. t. I heard sontE! :informa t ion YE!StE!rday on J. L.,_ 1: h A 1-:. '\.: h e l.: <'! n d ,,~ r· s IAJ c::! I" e "i. n a n d , a ~:: I r· c,1rnernbE! r·, thE! r E!- IAJE~ t" c,1 no l":. (;! nd E! r· s Foi" l.hn J"E!hab 'i.l.i.t:.at:·. ·iun and l"E:!ope n:i n~J oF I: hE! Fa c :i l :i t:y. I IAJi l'l hi:·11J e l.o g c=:• 1:. I'IIOi"C:! ·i n F o i"lrli:'t t.. ·i on d ~;; t·:. o IAJhE!rt':' t L goc:•s fi"OHI t hel"~:!

Fo1" I·: he h 0 1'1 . l'fl<·:!Jflbf! i" . ~:)O J: IAJ'i ] 1 '::] tc! l: l:: h d 1:: :i.nf'oi"Hk1'L 'i on ·Fo1" ·i··.he hon. rn olnber·. No. 4.4. R2364·

MR. FENWICK: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: A sup pl. ~:!In~~ n i::iH' y , t h c,< h on . l:l·w member for Menihek. MR. FENWICI<: ·--·-·--·--------- ~>.i.nCE! Lhc,~ FoJ"rriC'!l" oJnploy~:!eS h<:1vo indicahH:l !:hat they wish to makE:~ (:~n al:i:.E:~rnpi: l.: o opo1"C:·1-I:.o i:he Er:-~sl:ooJ. lndu~;'tJ"ie~; clS a going concer·n, IJ.ri.l.l. Uw PI"~~ JTJ "i cH' d n d hoi.~; government consider a request from the organiLed workers, who haue woJ"ked theJ"~~ ftH' dE!Cades. to make an RLt"!lllpt i'.o tak(~ over Lho i'ISS<:~I ... s of the oper~tion itself and try to get it operating again? MR.

SPEAKER: Th<~ hon. thE! Pr'<:1rn:i.<;!r. PREMIER PECKFORD: If it is in the hands of receiver, I guess whoever inb"!rest<,1d in l:ender·ing on would make their application proposal to thE:1 rece:lvers. cannot understand how receivers have not got propo~als for reactivation, thE!n the tnetnber· g<,~ts 1.1p dnd there is a proposal Y'BdCi:.:iVr:ll:.lon. tl~· FENWJCK: t:.he is i. t: or I the any and says for Th<:H't:1 is no pi"OposaJ. We arE! just i':l s !ci. n g 'i. F y ()II r.H' (-) 0 p (! n 1:0 0 n e ' PRFMIFR PFCKFORD : ob v -cc) us :rif·---TTiC:~.Y wo 111. c1 Jnr:\ k (~ 1: h t s proposal to the receiver.

That seC:!IIlS Lo bo l·.h<,~ l.og..i.cdl Lh "i. ng i:.o do. MR. FENWICK: A r in a l. ~; up p 1 <:1 rn c;! n tar· y , M r· . ~) p (~a k (;! r· . MR . SPEAKER: A final supplementary, thE! han . the member for Menihek. L2365 Mi:ty 26, 198H Vol XI. ~ FENWIC]S: Mr. SpeakE!r, sincE! we have, I t:h:i.nk, $3.5 1n:il.l.ion to $'1· 1n:i.lLi.on cornrnitte!d to thE! operation, what I arn ask 'i. ng l::he Pr'('1Tn.i<'!l" l::o do is takE! a much mor(:~ act'.i.VE! rolE! 'in Lho d ::i.s po~; :it"i.o n of th<:1 assE!Ls. Since we are one oF Lhe major c I" o c:l ·i. ·i·. o I"~; , IAJ"i.

"I J. 1:. h r,, P r· e rn"i.l'! r· co rn1n'i t: hirnseJ.f to look:ing <:1!:: Uw po!;~;:i.b.i."'.i.l:y of l:ho IAJOr'kt:!r's themselves, ~specially those who r:l Y' 0 I I 1'1 .i. 0 1'1 j_ Z 0 d IAJ 0 r' k C! I" S d 1'1 d IAJ C:! I" E! therE:~ for a J.ong pe1"iod of t:iJTIE!. p u L L .i. n 9 t o g e L h C'! I" ''' p I" o p o s d l IAI .i L h thE~ h<,1lp of Lhr:1 gotJC;!rnrnE!nl: ·in 0 r' ci E! Y' 1:. 0 g t':1 1.: :i. 1: 0 p E! I" c:·l i:. i 1'1 g i)l ~; i'.l going concern rather than haVE! a bunch oF scr'dp? MR. SPEAKER: The hon . thE:1 Pr'C'!rlliE!r . PREMIER PECKFORD: M r· .

Speak C:! r· , t: h c;! r· r,1 i).Ja s an opportunity fal" LAJhOE!VE!r wanted to to rna k e a p r· o p o sal. 1: o t·. hE! r· (~ c E! 'i ~J t':! r for the reactivation of the facility. Therefore, that. is the ~oute that was availabJ.e to the wor'kE!r's out th(~r(: • or t·.o any othr:'r company that had any intE!rest in i. L. MR. TU Ll< : Ml" . SpE!aker'. MR . SPEAKER : The hon. i.: h f:1 rJJ(:~JIIbE!r fOJ" Fo(::~o . Ml~. Tll L.l< : Ml" . Spo;:-lkl:~r·, r hi:llJO a qUE!Sl:.Lon For· the Pr·ernier and :i 1·: r'E!la'L :E!S to Uw ConfJ.:i.c L of Tntc;!I"<:!S'i': C1.1 i.dE!lJn,::!S.

Did I understand the Premier to s<:1y, tn <:1nswer to the question from t:hE! TnE!rnber For· ~'3t: . Bar·be, thai:: once'! hc:1 has q:iv()rl hJ.s permission to do certain things to a colllpdny that falls und~~r LhE! C o n f 1 i c t: o f I n t e r· e s t G u :i. d E! 1 :l n E! s Ol" a minister who falls under Lhe conflict of interest guideljnes, No . lj./1. R2365

thiilt no rnc.lt.b:H· 1.11hat_ the dealings of th<.·l t-_ co1np<.~ny iH'f.! 1~1-L l:h ·I. he government afterwards that · 1 wi. ll"i. s t ~:! r' t ~;' f r' t:~ e L o c:l o r"'' ~; I·H~ IAJ'.i S h C-'! S ? MR. RAIRD : Ask your L.oadE!r . get ar·ound them . H c~ knows l'lOI~J to MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Premier. PREMIER PECKFORD: No, Mr. Speab?.r'. MR. TULK: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A supplr:~rnentar·y, the hon. the lflornbc,~r for' Fogo. MR.

TUI..I<: T'flE!I'l' -Min' ;:)p(~HkOi"' r d~) k I:. he~ Pl"fHni ~H· 1~Ji 11 he,~ ta blc-?. the 1 E! t Le r' i.n wh-Lch h(-:~ gii!VO l:h(-:~ Dc-~pui-y Pl"em:i~~r of this Plnov:ince spf~cific approvH1 to have his company go ~head with the leasing of this bui l.d-i. ng l:o !::he Wor' k c,~ I"!> 1 Compensation AppeaJ. Tribun~l? MR. SPFAKER : Thl':~ han. t.he Pr·~md. ~H'. PREMIER PECI<FORD: Mr. SpeakE!r, ·that is foolish, · silly. MR. WELLS: Mr· . Speah~r. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thr:~ L E! d cl ~1 t' of . +-.lw Oppo!d tion . MR. WELLS : M r· . S p c,~ c:·1 k c,~ r· , the Minis t~~:!r (Mr . lll"Gi:.i :.). I h i't v

C) d q u e s 1·. i o n f o r of Murd.dpaJ. AffaiJ"r:; r h ('! r· ,~ ·i s a pr·oblc~111 in lh i !) I 2366 May 26, 1988 Vol XL . PlnovincE! that affects my distr·ict a n d a n 1 11 n b () r' o f o i:. h e r d "i. !; t: t' -i. c t s , and it is the government policy to r·c,~q11.i.r•o ~>OIAII:'l"i.-\go Ll"~'!dl· ·.lnenl·:. pl.c:·1nLs i n a b o u t a cJ o z c,~ n o r' s o s r11 all C 0 fl liTH II II n J t: 'i. C~ S • r.IJ"i.Jl. (o! r' l~. OIAJ n , b (eLi. 1'1 q one of them, Badger another. GlE!I'HAJoocl i:1nother', BEHJt:on a no l:.IHH'. Mr.

Speaker, wouJd tl-w m:inisl:E!r indicatE! t.o th~~ House,~ IAJhal': l:.he government is going to do l~o prevsnt those communities from being banl<ruptE!d by LhE! c;os l·:s of opc:H'at.:ing those,~ SE!IAJ~H'agE! tr·~~atmE:!nt facilities when, in Fact, other }argEH' cotnmun.i.l.:.ies c1lnE:! pour·tng 1naw sewage into the same river syst~m? MR. SPEAI<f::R : T h E! h o n . t h e M i n :i s t E! r o f r.l\ u rd c i p a 1 AFfi:d.r's . MR. BRETT: T i:.hc:tnl< L.hr'! hon. trllo!liibc'!l" Fur' !':he'll': qu~:!st:ion. He;! is l"ight, .1l:. i~; a tJ e r' y s f.!

Y' 'i. o ' 1 ~; p r' o b ·1 r~ rn . l 1· .• h 'i n k l:: h r:· hon. Lc:!!c"lder oF l:he Oppod.-Lion is r' c,~ f C:H' r' i n y 1.: o M·i. J J. c:H' i".OIAJI'l 'i. n lri. s district. I met with that town coiii'JCi .J. setHH'Rl rnonl:hs ago, and the han. LeadE!r of the Oppositi.on, t~ll-w!;e di. s Lr' i.e 1:: incl.uci''!S Lhe t.OIAJn, 1.11as at thE! ITIE!E!ting. ThE! · to1.~m is hdving vPry sertous Financial d:ifficuJ.ty as a lnE!SUlt of having -L o covE~ t' t. h c;1 cos l':. oF s OIAif:'! I" a q E! trE:~atmE!nt.

In most cases, these t:rE!atrrtE!nt plants are requ:ired where sewerage is being dumped into our rivers and not: .i.nl~o thE! OCE!dl'l, but l:.hE! problE!rn is not unjque in that one 1-:0IJ.in ~~lont:~, t t is tn ~;ever·al. I suggE!St to the · House that · almost (~ver·y si.ngl ~:! cornrnun.i ty i::hc\1l: has one of Lhese sewerage treatment planLs is "i.n serious l.:rouble. Only yesl:er·cldy, Ml". ~:ipt:!i:1kE:!r-·, 1 tnet: IAJ:i t h a c o u n c i 1 i n C E:! n l: r i:t 1 f\JotJ.Jf.otlndland I"Jf · 1o~;c;~ i·.ot.c:ll b11dget j s No. 44 R2366

just :in c-:lXCE:1ss· of $300,000, r!lnd it is costing betiJJeen- $60,000 and $100,000 a YE!i:tr·· Lo ma.inta.in tl'w s ewerage treatment plant . So it :i s i;l v 0H' y s E! r· -J. o u s p r o b l. ~w1 . I d o not FH' r:1 t E! n d to h a v r:1 · Cl n y i rnrn e d j atE! solut:i.on to it, but what: tAJt:1 h<.·lvc,' been trying to do is to help these comuJurril: .les on <.·ln ·i.nr:l'itJ "i.dual. basis, ~s the need arises, and p (:1 t' hap!) S Otfi(:11~Jh fH' (~ d OIA)I'l 1:·. h (:1 r• 0 i'l cJ lAIC:! will have to come up with some k .i.nd of a pr·ograHIIIIG . 8ttl: T.

IAJOIIJ.d !)tlgge~; l : l:hat l:hdl.: i. l: 'i~~ go:ing to b~~ difficult '1-:.o gr:1t i" ·i. d o F 1·. h c,1 s ~~~~10.1" i:'t<.:J 1,1 l: r· o i''d:.HI cn1 t·. p] ants fol" obvious rE!asons. ThE:1Y i:ll"~~ 1"~1qtt-i.I"Od by l:hE! IJE:1P<'\r''i.:lll(~n'l:. of th o F.nvii"OI'ITTI~Hit. and I gur:1ss we IJ.d. 1 l. h a v c,1 1.: o c o n 1: 'i. n u E:1 1-:. o. .i n s 1:. <'I ll. thE~m i-..lS they arc:1 nE!eded but it ·.is a pr·obJ.E!III I clo not hi'lve any irr~ediate answer to, Mr. Speaker. f1B_:....._ WELL~ : Mr. Speaker, a supplementary. MR. SPEAKER: A supplE:Hnentary, the hon . L~ader of the Opposition. MR.

WELLS: s p e c if i ca lly wi t h r (:1 s p e c t t 0 t he COifltnUn.i I:.

I) of Mi 1.1c~r·t:own c:\nd l·.hE:1 ch1"e pr·oblc,1m it is in at l:hE:1 ITIOHHHlt IJ.Jhor•e 11-. has hi:ld 1.:0 terminate the ·employment of the o n e p e:1 r· s o n IAI h o c e1 n o p C:! r· d l c,~ t h et l-. facilH:y, ~nd tht:H'L':1 is nol.-11 a c:langc,1r of 1:-.he Fc;lc ·i. J. "i. L:y br:1ckJ.ng 11p and t'·unn :ing out :i.n the:1 town, whi:lt doc'!:; l·.ho 1Wi.nis Lei'' :i.n·l".f!nd specifically to do for the COI'IIIIlUI'l"i. l:: y oF r'li.l.l.t' !r' · I :.OI~JI'l 'i.n ·l.:hc'li: 1"89iH'd? MR . SPFf.'li<FR: T h e h o n . 1 .. h o Mi. n .i. s l.: e 1" o f M t 1 n ::i. c 'i. p f'l l Affcdrs . MR. BHTT : M r· .

S p ~1 a k e r' , I tAr.i. ll h a v (;! t o d C'!i:l l L2367 May 26, 198-8 Vol XL with the town council of MiJlertown as I do with other councils when they get into t:rcn~ble. We wtJ.:I havE! to look at "i.t on an individual. basis. If there is, in fact, a r'E1quest in fr·om l:: ht:! counci .l, thf'!l'l ·it 1Ari.11 bE! dt:!a]t 1.~o1ith, and I s uppose J.F il'. rn (:1 d n s d 0 J. J. i'll " s r· c:\ L h E! I" L·. h d n h i:·l v ·i n g thE! counciJ. go bank1 nupt: , then tAle IAJ:i.J.l. j II!) l:. h<.Wf;! 1.:0 f "i. nd th~~ do1l.rH'S. M R . 0 E C I< E R ·: Ml". Spef.:l k C:H' . MR.

SPEAKER : T'h(~ hon . l:.hr:1 rnenJbHr' for· l:h(! ~)l·.:r·ail:: of BE:~lle Isll':1. MR. DECKER : Mr. Spc:'dkE!r, lilY qu.:!st:.:i.on :is l: o thE! hon. the Minister of Cu1tl.ll"E:!, R ( ~ c r· (~ c:l L -.i. o n m n d Y o u 1: h ( M r· . B u t:. -t-:. ) • The minister wiJ1 know that: hi s s o l. u t: .i o n t: o t. h c;! r· a b .i. (~ s p r· o b l. c::1 rn i n the Roddickton ar'E!Cl was to cordon off an area and Lry t o destroy every wild animal inside a certain art~c:\. I as~ the minister: Will the ministE!r follow l::he:1 satrH~ pr'ocE!clur·e used in the Roddickton area and k:i.J.l. off l.:h(~ an'iltlc:ll.

S -L n the Gr't::!E:11'1 Bay area, now that thE!I"e SE!l:!rnS to l:rn i'l l"f·\b :i.d Hn ·.i.trtc:11. found i.n l:: hE! GrC:HHl Bay at"C:1a? MR. SPFAKER: T h e h o n . 'l: h (;! r'l "i. n -L s 1:. E! I" o F c 1 1 l. L u t' e , Re c re~tion and Youth. MR. BUTT: ----------·---r"'r. ~ :)pec:1k C:!r, I IAJi:lnl:. l·: o d!>SI.Ir' ('! ~ : h(; ! han . rnE•rnbE!r that : tJ.Jh(~l"eVE!r' thE!r'E! 'i s d p o s s :L b 'i. l "i. 1.: y o f o I" c:l d i. c a t. :i. n g t h i. s rab :id fox pr·oblern th<:lt lAW have Jt:. 1~1·.-L l.l b (;! cl o n (;! u n cl e I" l'.. h ('! c a r· (;!

F u 1 sup E! r vis ton of high 1 y tE• c h rd c a 1 and s killed people in l:he Department of CuJ.ture, Recreation a nd Yout:h, Wil.dl.i.Fe D.iv is :i.on, ... -·· .... No. 44 R2367

ass:isi·.c,~d· by d I~Jor·l.cl r·c,'nOI~JI"H:~d spc,~cJ . i'.IJ.·J.st., 111": Johnston, tJJho jusl~ IAJO n 1: b d C !< t 0 () 1'1 i.: <:~ I" "i. 0 'I: 0 i:. i.·\ k 0 r'\ bi"<,~ijl.k. WhCJ.t: tr·ecjl.tm(~nt i~; ad~~quate -Ln l~odcl"i.ck · t. on, Lho rl" 'i1·.on dl"c,~m tAJill gwt t. h ~~ sam(:~ kind of 1.: r· E! <'l 1:. 111 ~~ n t . T f -i. 1.: i" c:! q 1.1 "i. r· e s somEd:.hing differen t Lo be doi'I E!, I r.~ rn . s Ul" c,~ :i. 1: tAJ "i 1 J. be c:l on c,~ . I h d v e confidence~ Lha.t tl1osc,~ people w·tll d 0 l. i. k e:~IJJi . S C~ . MR. DECKER : Ml" . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: The hon.

I: he rnc~rnber for UH~ St:nd.t of Belle Isle . MR . DECKER : ThE! hon. mini s ter has the layman 1 s r ~~ s p ~~ c t f o r· t: h ( ~ o x p E! r· 1-:. • Do E! :; l:·. h "'~ minister now realize that the a p p r' o e1 c h IAJ h i. c h he has '1-. r'\ k (o! n 'L n Roddickton could lead to Lhe ~:!V(o!nl-".u<:lJ. d<'!Sl'.:r·ucL "i. on of the:! l:.o t aJ. animal population in this P r· o v t n c <:~ ? H c,~ c d n r ~ r· m d t c a 1:. e r· ;:·\ b "i. (;! s because he"! will eradicate all of the an:i.n1als . Mf~. SPFAKrf~ : Th(:~ hon. thE:~ M:lnister· of Cultur·e, R (~ c 1" 0 a t: ]. () n r\\ n d y () I I 1.: h . Ml~.

BUTT : Mr·. Spr::~c-..<ker · , 1.1.Je havC::~ implr:~TnE!nled a· progr·<:1rrune · -:i.n l~odd'i.cki:un thai :. IAJr:ls clearly thought out by a highly p r· of o s s :i. o n a 1 g r· o u p of p c~ o p 1. o . W c;! have hired the best people we know of :in thE! tJJorld tAJho can hc.;!J.p us -.in eradicating t his very serious p r· o b l ~:1HI . To date;! i.t. looks like t•.Jhal: th~~Y have accomplished has gone ext:r·~;;~mc;!ly wull.. II: IAJciS i'l(WC"!r' our· intention to wipe out all wildlife i 1'1 a p a r· t: i. c 1.1 l. a r· a J" (o! i'l , bu t o n 1 y l:. o eradicate the rabid fox problem . Mr~.

DFCI<Fr~ : 1 .. ?. :l (i H Mr!l Y 2 6 , l 9 8 8 \Jol XI . MR . SPEAKER: Thr~ hon. the"~ rnr:nnb<-H' For· I:: he S LJ~a:i I~ () r 11 r-<J. l (:~ J ~ ; J. e . Ml?. DECKER : Your· expert s p:i c kE!d up LhJ"(:!e J"a b ::i.d Fo x c,~ s. rJ!r . : : lpf~ i.-lk{~ l", t:h<'lL is l:h f'' rE!SUlt of the experts. Wj.ll the JlliJ'l'L St:(;!l" I'IOIAJ giV(~ or•d( '!l"S to h.i.S dE!partrnent to stop this l'lE!E!dlE!SS i.;l.dt.Lght.:c,~l" tn Rodd:i.ckl:on and f .ind a less wasteful way to control rabies? It i s a total wasteful s laug htE!r of animals, MIA. SpE!i.~ k e r·, and lt should be stopped. MR.

BUTT: M r· . 5 p e a k E! r . MR. SPEAKER: Thee! hon. the MinistE!r of Cu1t:ur'E!, I~ f:! c r· ~) i'l 1:. i o n ;:·\ n d You t··. h . MR. BUTT : WE!ll, M1A. Speaker·, I am absolut .C"!ly d 1 n "' z e c:l l: h a 1-. 1 d m g c~ t·. t J. n rJ L h :.i. s 1. 'i. n e of questioning from Lhe hon . mHmber. Wf~ •H'i"<'ll'l9E!<:I to ~HHJ C: ! h 'i. m come over to the WildltFe Divi s ion .i. n I: h r-) d C'! p a r t uw n t s o h o c o ul d b e fully br-.i<-:!fed, a two hour · bd. l;!f:in~J session, I t h i. nk.

Wo obvlously wasted a lot of time and energy of s o 1 n (~ r· c,~ <:'1 J J. y 9 o o d p ('! o pl. r-~ 1 •J h o ~:; (o! t as:~dr:~ a couplE! of hour·s to bl"in~J the,~ hon. rnc,~lllbC::~r 1.1p 1-.:o sp(o!Od . IF hE! has all of a suddE!n b E!COrnC"! an expert bec a u s e oF the advi c e he has gotten ovor ther·e, and hE! has come up wiLh s omething n e w, I suggest hE• do the respon s ibJ r: ~ l:.hing dnd ca1l. up onE• of l::hE! supervisory people on that team <:HId l> d y , 1 L o o k , IAJ h a t y o 1.1 p (W p 1 E• ar-e doing and tAJhat Dr.

Johnston is .i. n s 1:. r· 1.1 c l:. ·i. n 9 y o u l: o d o i s a 11 tJJr'ong. BE!CaUSE!, I, Chl"i. s DE!CkE~r, h <.·\ v ~~ l:. h c: ~ s o 1. 1.1 1. :-i. o n 1·: o 'L h ·.i s m n d h <:! r· E! :is my plan . 1 They IJ.Ji1.J. b1nJ . n~~ :it b d c k ·I· o 111 e a n d I IAri. 1 l n o 1:: L f y 1:: h e hon. ITIE:~rnb~;;>r IAJhat 1 IAJ::i.J.1 do IAJi Lh .. -··. ' . 1\J () . lj.Lj. 1~2368

it, obviously. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, ht:!al"! MR. LONG: Mr' . SpeakE~r· . MR. SPU\I<ER : Th<:1 hon. the member for St. John's Eas l:. r~R. LONG : Ml". Spc"!ak~1r, I have a qu<:1stion . 1-:oday fot" l.:ht:! Pt"emier· .i.n t:hc=! i:'lbsencE~ of 'L.hco1 M:i.nis l:EH' of Social ~3ei"\J:i.c,~s (Mr·.

Tob·in), 1~1ho J understand is attending an 'i. rn p o r l.: <:·1 n t c o n f e r' '~ n c 0. 'i. n c c:-1 n d c,1 r' . llliith I"E~fel"t-~nce l:.o t:.he Confco11"l':1ncc~ 'i.n Canc:ler IAJhich i~; bc,, .. i.ng f\l:1:t.1ndc:1c:l by social workers and their SI.IPC:' r\J '"i.Sors r:1nd fj.l'lc\l'lC:ii'.'\J o·ff"i.cc;!rS fr·ont c.Jcross thE! P1"0V:ince, I wou1d 1 i. I< C:! t:. o d s k l: h Co1 P 1" e nl"i.

E! r' c b 1 tl d h c~ ~dvise hon. members what back-up sysi·.·.(!I'IIS LhE~ Depdr't.1tiE~nt of Social Services would have in place to deal with social assistant recipients who are in need of assistance when their Social Workers are in Gander? PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. SpE:1r!lkE:1r. MR. SPEAKER : ThE! "hon. the Pr'E!ITiiE!Y'. .P_R.EMIER PFCI<F9RD: M r . S p c;! .:-1 k C:.! r' , I IAJO 1.1"1. d be IJ C:.! 1" y pleased to ariswer that question F o r 1. h e h o n . rn e 1 n b E! 1" .

F -.i. r' ~; i". o F i;)] J, le ·t rue say to thE! hon. mcHnl:>l':!r' ·i.n 1"0f'c~r'E:'I'1C(! l:o Ci'll'ldC!Y', r IAk\!; thf!I"E~ 1i:Jst night <:tnd ~:poke-?. to 700 ' Soc :i. a l. Wo r' k t:1 r' ~; . SOME 1·101\J. flii:MB r: I~S : H E! d I'' I hE! ct I" ! MR. ~HMMS: A grectt reaction . L2369 _May 26, 1988 Vol XL PREMIER PECKFORD : I got a wonderful reaction. Mr. Speake!r, out of Fifty ·-.. two o f f :i: c t;! s :i. n 1:- h t;! -p r' o v i n c E! , r· E! q :i. o n a 1 , suboffices and so on, forty-six ar·e s l:.::i.ll tTit.Hli'H'!d by people:! J)Jho uJork fo1" th~:!

DE!par'tlTIE!nt of Socia1 ;:)er·v-.i.c<:!~) l:o t:.dk~:! Ci'li"E'! of Lhr,~ problems of peoplE! whilst SOlliE! of Lhe other Soclal Workers are in Gander, and thE! othE!r six cli"E! be Lng looked after by PubJ.ic Health Nurses and the like so that 1~)(:1 Ci'\J'l l~l'l8lll"e thdl. IAJh"i.lt:! LhE! p r:1 o p 1 (;! tAl~~ r E! :i n t hE! i 1". s E! rn i n a I" s a n cl thetr· i··.r'r:1'in:i.ng pr·ogr'dii'IITIE:1 ~; yest<oH'dclY and today in GandE!I" l:hE! pc~o p l1,1 oF l. hC'! Pr'o IJ ·i. n c e d I" c,~ s t:. -L ll not being neglected during that I':.IAIO d <:11) flE! r' 'i. Od. Mf~. LO~_g ; A supplementary, Mr.

Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : (\ supp1E:!IrlE~nLar·y, thr::1 hon. thE! member for St. John 1 s East. MR. LONG: r"'r' . SpeakE!r, I tA.Jould l.J.kl':' to ask could the! PrE!IniE!r givE! us furthE:!r information I appr·ecia tc;! LhE! information hE! has offere!d and whr:1th(!r he:1 tAJould indicat:<:1 that:. LhE~ staffing in thE!Se offices :u: betng donE! by s-t.:t . tdc,~n l:s on a temporary basis and secretaries, and l':.hmi':. l:hE!Y'('! dY'E:!

I0~·1ny ofFi.CE '!S i.n the Pl"ovincE! · Lhat do not havE:! 1:> I" o f E! ~; ~; -, o n a J. p E:! o p ·l c:! 1:. o o F f <'! r' assistance to people who are in neE~c:l oF hE:!lp? Ml~. SPEA15,J~.B. : 7 Th<:! hon. the PI"Co11Td.E:!r. PREMIER PECI<FORD: oiwTO'Ij:i'fy-.--~~· ;::-·:-·-~:; p ('! ;:-1 !< (! I" I T d j, cl n () 'l: have time this morning l:o check t h 'i. s . l tAla s 11 p ;:~bout ~; i. x .~~ n cl I haVE:! bE:!E:!I1 :in ffiE!E:!t:'ing~-; E!VE!I" l::hc'! l'l, tAJhl.ch ·i.s IAJhat: I do No. 44 sin Cl:! most R2369

days, ancl thc,~n I Cclllle:1 to t.I'H:~ HousE>.. But I try -to I<E:H:~P t~p IAlith l::hE:! d~~bal:P on 1110~;t ·l:h-Lng~; 1:-.hr:<tt go on, and fl"OITI thE:' ::i.nfol"rnation that: T. have,~ ell:: i ·. hc,~ p1"(:1sc;!nl: IIIOrnonL, fol"t:y ... six out .. of F:i.fty-'l:IAJO of the,~ 0 1-1-:- 'i.

C E! ~; h d lJ E! p 0 0 p l fc' i·. h !':'I"(! 1:0 rl e:1 i'l J IAJH h l:: h~:! pi"ObJ. (~I'TIS l:. hd t: i ndi vid Ur.lJ. r· E! c i. p J. ~HI L ~; or· o I: he r· !> 111 i g h ::: h a v 0. .i. n corn:i ng t·o t:he:1 offices, and th!i:~ o t h t;! r ~; -;_ x d r· o b E! :i. n g c o v e r· e d b y Public Hei:-:tlth Nu1nsc~s and the:~ lil<e, I will have to get that additional infor·mat:i.on for· UH~ hon. ln~::'ITII:HH' becausE! I did not have tiiTIE! this mor·n:ing to tour · all f:ifty .. ·-tiAJO. MR. LONG: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: A fi.r1al. suppl.~~rnli:~nt:.ar·y, l::h!i:~ hon. thE!

ITIE!ITJber for St. John 1 s East. MR. LONG : I do appr·E~c -L al-.:c,~ t-.hc;! Fr·anknes~; of the PlnemiE:H' 1 S l " li:~spons~:1, but I ask IAJoulcl Lhe Prc;nll'iE~In IAIOiil.d chc~ck IAri.l: h the Minister of Social Services to dc,~'i:.E!r'tn-Lnc:!

IAJhei.:hr,~ r l::ho pr·act"i.cc~ Qf t h E'! d E! p i~H' t Ill E! 1'1 t: , IAJi t h S U C h P V (:11'1 ·t S d!> · l:he confe:'lnc,~nco in Cdndor· !~J·i l.:h 700 pi"OfC:1SSiona]s, i~; r.l'li'.lt Stclff, o n s 1 1 c h o c c a ~' ·i. o n ~; , d r t;! .:~ d tJ · i. !> o d L. o t..ell FH:1opl~'! t.o go to 'l:he:ir chlll"Chc;!S f'OI" as:;:i.~;l·.dnCf~ "iF l:hoy tilr'c 'in n~~c,1d? MR. SPF.I)I<ER: The hon . tho Premier . PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr·. ~)JH:1d I< E!t', T do no!:. k nOIAJ if t: hal:: is true or· not. I cannot bE!Li.eVE! 1:. h d t t h a t: :i s t-. r· i.1 r:~ .

I ·f s o ri1 C'! bod y said that they did not have the author·tty oF t-.ht:! gov~:!r'.l'lrnenL l:o st~y :il:. Ol" the dc::!pclrtmE'!nt, I arn surE:1, E! oi l: 11 E! r· 1:. hE:! D "'~ p u 1: y M·i. n -L s l:. E! r· , L h <:! AssisLant DE!pu-Ly Minister, or the M-Lni.st:(:!r. '[just. c<,1nnoL put much cr·edc,~nce into that l<ind of advicE! Mi:\ y ?. (j I 1.9 B 8 tJoJ. XI.

Tht:!r'r~ ·i.:; <:l llkljUI" confr:!t'C:!I'ICE~ on d ~~alt ng 1..1Ji th the soc J.al progl"aiTIITlE:! s of l:ht'! ·Pl"OtJ:incr:!, r:lei'\·1 -i.ng tAJ:.i.i":.h youth COI"I"c,~cttons, d<~aloi.ng tAr:i.th d ''' y c a I" 1 '~ , d E:' ,,, J i n g lAd L h 1·:. h e handicapped, mentally or p h y :; i c a l. 1. 1J , d e <:·l -, "i. n g IAri l:: h "' 1. ·1. L l1 E' l"angli:' of pr·ograrnrnE!S t~ht:d~ ar'(~ not.~J bE:!'i.ng oFF~:!I"c~d by t.:he DE~pdr'tHIE: !nl:: of Social Services.

There are ~;E:~I'fli. · l'ldY'S c!il'ld tr·a -in..-i.ng pr·ogr'dlriiTlE!S on for the peoplr:1 in·· the ViH'ious d ·iv"i.s"i.ons of i·:.hr:~ ciE:!par·t .111e;!nt. Il:: is a major 1,111dertaking by the minister and his department to try to respond to the changes that are tal< i.ng place,~ tn var' i.ous parts of the Province!.

As I undE!rstand iL f r· o HI Uw rn .i n .i s b:! r· , t: h E! o f f l. c E! s have been covered and there are for·ty --s ix t-.hNt ar·E~ bE'!J.ng 1nannE!d by people and six others that are bE~ i.nq l.ookPd df-l::,:!r' by PubJ.ic Health Nu1nst::~s and thE! li.k(~! ·.:Ln thE! v iH' :1. 0 I I s c 0 l'rll'rll.l n-i. 1·.: i. f:! ~; . T t: h ..i. 1'1 k t. h "i. s afternoon most of the Social Worl<E!t's IJJ'i.-11. bE:~ bdc!< t:.o L·. h(~i.r· holriE! communities. Wl'lE.~UlE!r sornt::~body sa-.id, 1 You can no l: geL dl'lyl:hi .ng '-~1: Lhr:! Depdl"i·.rnc:Hlt of Social Sr:H'ViCE!S offic(;!

Lodi-..tY, you br~l.l:r~r go l.:o yo111" chu1"ch,' Ol" s om E:! t h i n g 1 j_ k e t h a t , :i f s o 111 e Fl:i.ppr:·lnL r't'~llli'll"k IAJi'lS lili'.it:lr::! by SOITIE:1body l:l kE! thf.lt, thE!Y l'l(:!VE!r· had 1--. he "'1.1 thor· 'i. I:.IJ of t h "L s go v c:1 r· n rn E'! n t nor wo~ld they get it if they s () 1.1 9 h 1.: i. ~~ . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thE! TnE!lTibC::~r for WatE!r'ford -·· i{(11'll'nOUI'1 t. 1'-H~. GULLACE: M r· . S p E! a k E! I" , M'i.ni.sb~r · oF Wou1d UIE! 1\J () ' lj.IJ. a questi.on for the HOI.IS ing (Mr. Pede h). minister expla i n why f~23'70

t"en ·t in Nf:~Wfoundland and Labrador H o u s "i. n g . u n i t s h a v '"'~ i. n fa c t incr·c,~asE:~d ovr:H' thr:~ last five YE!at"S by an avEH'clgf:! of aJ.mos t 1.0 fHH' cent, when these sarno unJts haVE! b c;! ~:! n b r :i. n g .i. n g s a v ·i. n g s o f $ 5 :~ 7 a YE!i'll" to NEnA.rfoundland and Labrador H o u s i n g , i:~ !> i::l r· e s u 1 1:. o F d P c r· e:~ '" s l':~ d Clppraisals with the switch from rental value taxation to capital value over the same period? MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the M:ln".istr:~r of NE!tArfoundland and 1..6tbr'i:lc:lor l·lous:i.ng . Ml~. P ErlCH: Mt".

SpE~cAkr:~t", I .i.ndicatr:~d to thE! hon. rn~~utbE!r', I Llri.nk lct:>L I!Jf.H:~k to cl sirniJclr question, that 1\J c,~ IAi F o 1 1 n rl J. i'l n rl i:·l n d I .. ,;, b r· i'l d o r· H o 1.1 s :i n o,:~ d::id hElVE! sorn~~ t"c,~nt:.- increasr:~s oVE:'I" l·.he pds !: cot1pl (,~ oF yo,'1r's, dn1l --Ln :1 9 B B - 8 9 IAJ e i 1'1 cl :i C ct t E! d S CHII r::! f U r• t h EH' ·i. n c I" E~ d \; e s f' o t" o 11 r· n 1 d r· k (,~ I: r· c,~ n +:. i:ll. urdts so tAJE~ wouJd bE:! in I:i.nE! w:i'Lh t h c~ p t' "i. v i:-1. t e :> c~ c tor p eo p l c-~ i. n i: h o Pt"ov:incc,~ i'.HJd tAJould not be~ in d'i.r·r:~cl:. cotttpet.'i.l:'i.on lAJ"L!·:h t:hE~tn.

Tn all cases, Mr. Speaker, we have an ongo-.i.ng rrtd ' i.ntE~nance progr·awrno, i:'l t" t-:1fu Y'i:>i s h:i ng pro g r·arnrnE~ tAJi t h ou I" housi .ng un'i.ts thr·oughoui:. lhE:~ Province, where we spend several h u n d r· e d t h o u s a n d d o 1. 1 a r· s p ~H' y E:! 61 r· doing up our units in SteF>hEHJV ill:e, Labr·ddor· and S!:. John's. Our rE!ntal incrE!ases, Mr. SpE:1c:ti<er·, <:tr'E:~ in 1. "i.ne t1.J:i.t.h IAJhat t-.·.h(:! rnar·ket dmnands. t1.l.L._G lJ L L rl G F : A supplE~rnenti'AJMY, Mt". Spedker·. r-1R. SPF.AI<ER: A suppJ E~ITI(;n-1-:. C\J"Y . rJt I~ . CULL.

AC F. : !lllouJd tl·1e m:l.r1-.istet" expJ<:~:in tAJhy J.!:. i!tppE:!dl"~; l··.h.:-1 1·. 1\I('!IJ.JFOIII'lcildnd dnd I i:.tbtMi~doJ" Hous:l11~J doE:!S not:. in fact. "l.c:~r] beh i.nd i·:he lrtiH'!((:!'!: b11l.: --i.n felC L ~;~:~ts the Tndt"k(:~t ptM'.iCE!, du(;! to ······· L23'71. May ?.6, 1.9B8 Vol XI... excessive current and capital costs cornpar·E~d t.:o l:·.he pr].vat.e SE~ctor, and that theSE! costs arE:! i.n fdcL SE:1!·: L·.:-i.ng t.he lrti>lr·kE!I.: pr·-:i.CE! " rather than laggtng behind it, as t h E:1 111.:i. n :i s t. o r h a s o x p 1 a i nod ? MR.

SPEAI<ER: TilE~ hon. thE:~ MinJ.sbH' of N~~wfou:indland and Labl"ador· Housing. MR. PEACH: 1 l: h --i_ n k , M r· . ~:; p (~ a I< ('! r· , .:i. t: i s g o o d that Newfoundland and Labrador l·lous:j_ng ar·c-:~ --Ln l:. hc;! l'fli~1t'k~:!l:: r'l:!nl-.:al units as well, because if we do S't-:1'1: +:.hn 111ar·kc'd: t"ates, Mt". Sp(H·li<E:!r', tAJE~ also arE! hE!J.ping and ass:isl::inq ·i.n con Lr·oJ.l oJ. ng !-.hE! JfkH' k wt r·a Lf:~ s. If we were not there to provide ho11~; · i.ng 11ni.L~; Lo '>otnr,~ 6000 Ol" '/000 tenants across the Province, I I~JOI'ld(~r· I~Jh - <:11-.

SOlfl(,~ or Lil(,' I"C!I'lt":.i:t ls might be, particuJ.arly in the cJ.ty. ~H~. GULLAGE: Mr·. Spor.,lkt:!r. MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary. MR. GULLAGE: Would t.i'H:! rn:lni.st.E!Y' agr'E!C;! to investigate the current . and cap.i.t<:~l cos t:s i~pport i.on('!d !:o <::~ach unit and, if in fact t:l'wy ai"E! out of l.tnn rilnd acld'inq to Lhe cost pE!Y' unit comparable to the private s ~~ c 1·.: or· , IAJO ul. d i·w r· c;! co ITITII (;! 1·u~ L h 61 t-. these units be returned to the p r tv at(~ s (~ c 1:. or· so !:: h a t: t h ~:! rna r· k r:! !:. p r· -L c (,~ lAJO 1.11 d b (~ ~; t:! L p r· o p ~~I" l y? MR.

SPEAKER: Th~~ hon. l:ho r"l -L n :l~>LE:!Y' uf Newfoundland and Labrador Housing. MR . PU\CII : Mt". Sp<::~akel", I cl·.id ::t.nciJ. cc~tc;! i:l tAJ(:!ek or· s o ,-., g o l·:. h ,;, t.: o 1 1 r· n1 d r· k C! 1·. t" E'! n t: d l. unJ !:s IAJOUld bE:! inCI"(;!aSE'!d by ~;OrtiE! :; !. o 1 0 p e t" c e n -1- d c I" o s s 1.: h e Province. We are doing that in No . IJ.tj. R23'71

line w"il:h what: the private sector· dr~t,~ char·g i.ng. I th i.nk T 'i.nc:l·i cdi::~ ' !d i'.lS 1..11~~11 that if we arE! not. on cHI E~ v E! n k (~ e l. w. i +:. h 1.: h ~~ r· c;! s i" of t: h o Plnov:ince J IAHc~ at"E! plnobclbly 1 01" 2 p ~~ r· c <:! n +: b c;! 1. ow L h c;! r· E~ s t Uvl +:. •ilr' (~ o u t. t. h e I" ~1 . A !> tAlE~ J 1 , M I" . S p E~ a k o t" , IAI(c~ W-i. J J. C 0 l'l 1: i , l'l II C! 1::0 (,~ 11 !:; II r• (! 1·. h ;:·11: our· uni.ts c~I"Cc1 t"t"!fUI"bi!;h(!d and i'li"C-?. !< c;! p t: u p t o ~; L l'l n c:l '" r d . T h <:·l t·. -L ~; 1..11 h d 1·.

IAH.~ haVt"! ·.i l'ti:EHidE~d and IA.JiJl COntil'llH1 -1: o . c1 o , r"' r· . s p c,~ '" !< e t' , s o t h <:d: o 1 1 r· un:it!> al"tc\ :in a salablE:~ pos:itJ .on. W c,~ rl.i. c:l c:l "i. s p o s c;! o f q u '.'i. 1-. o i:\ n 1.1 rn I:H:! r of units li-lst yerH', pari:.icular·ly ·i. n 1:. h t·) S L e p h E'! n tJ .i. 1. J. e i'l I" c,~ <'l , a n d a n y url'i.ts 'l:hr . .d: LIH:~ have throiJghout thE! P r· o v .i n c e a r· E:! i. n a s a l. a b l. c;1 p o !; i. t . ·i. o n at any time . MR. W. CARTER: Mr·. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. for· Twi 11 J n g cl t E! , Mf~. W. CARTER : Mr·.

SpE:~dkt'!Y', rny quc;1s L:.ion got'!S ~o the MinistElr of Fisheries, and it c:oncer·ns r.1 si:.at.:ernent: lllddc,1 r·occ~nl:'.l.y by Mr. Bruce Chapnli'Hl, head of t.hE! FishE:1r-:i. c,~s A~;soc·i.at:i.on oF ' Newfoundland and Labrador, who s a ·i. d t: h d I: ·i. n a cl c:l :i i': 'i. on I: o t: h ~~ R o s r:1 T:Lng plf-lnt cJosui"E~, thHI"Co! ar'E! a n 1.1 rn b (~. r· o r o 1·. h E! 1·· p .. 1 ,:., n +·. ~' ·i. n 1: h r:! P1··ovj I'IC(c1 havJ ng s:im:l.J i.H' financ:i.r.ll pr•oblolll!>. Mr·. Spedi<EH', 111y qiH~st.":i OII l::o the"! rnJn:is'LEH': Is hE! i\'IIAJi'H' f.!

Of i:Hl y 0 i.: h (:!I" p J. t:ll'Ji.: ~; i. 11 l:: h €! Pt"ovi.nce IAihE:!I"E:1 thor·r:~ might bE~ · i.lrtp(~nd:i.ng Cl.OSUI"('!S bE~Cdii!>C'! Of r :i. 11 <:HI c.i a 1 pI" o b 1 mn s ? If s o , I.IJ hat s t. (;! p s cl o ~:1 s h E! i. n 1:: "! n d ·1:. o t:. a !< c:1 1: o look afLer that problem if. in Fact, one does ex:i.st? MR. SPEAKER: fl1(~1101-'i-:-tf.ie M"i.wi. ~; t n r· of F i. s fHH' .i. E:! ~; . MR. RIDEOUT : The answer is no, Mr. Speaker . L23'72 May 26, 19813 Vol X I. MR. W. CARTER : A supp1emenl::aJ"Y. MR. SPEAKER ; A suppJ.EHnentar·y, the momber for Tw"i.llingdl:'.e. r"'R. ~~.CARTER : hon. the Ml".

SpE:~CikE:1Y', IAie havc:1 s~~E!n IAJhal:. hf.ls h a p p r,1 n r;1 d ·L n I· h r,1 ~) t. . L a IAI r· o n c C'! s i L u a 1'.: i o n 1..11 h E:' r· E~ a 1 <:~ r· g E! n u m b e r· o F fl€:1 0 p·l.n h.:-1 V (~ b C::! (,~ n +:. h I"OIAJI'l 01.1 '1'.: 0 f" work. becauSE! of a plant. Failui"Co!. 1\JoiAI, I'IIY CJIIe~;i: .. i.on C.·lga"i. n l·:o Lhc:! ITiinistE!r, Mr'. SpE!al<er, is sincE~ ·Lh'.'i.s '!](~l'll.:l.~:!lildl'l lS i:\ l"E:!pUl.:6ibl.E! member of the fish trades- MR. SPEAKER : 0 r· d <-?. r· . p 1 E:~ a s e ! MR. W. CARTER : Yc~s,· Mr•. SpE~ai<EH' .

IAI:i.Jl hE! not ti1E!n makE! sonw inquid .E!S and find out i.F ·.in fi:-lcl·: sornr::• of our· pldnt.s are in serious trouble? I ask the q 1.1 r:~ s 1'·. ton t n or· cl r::! r· 1:: hat rna y bE:! I•.JE• can head off another plant closure s.irnil~r to what happenerl in St. LawrencE!. MR. SPEAI<ER: T h E:1 h on . 1· h 0. r.IJ:'i. n ·i. s 1:: ~~ r of F :-i. shE:! r· '.i.e s . f:'IR. RIDF.:Ol.IT: Ml". SpE!al<c;!l", l':.he M:in'.ist.E:'I" of F::i.~;hE:11"·i.e~; ·i ~; l·.r:tl.!ci .ng 'i:.o l.he J>Pupl e :involved in the fishing :industry (c1lJ n I" y d d y 0 j- 1:. h (~ lA I('! C'! k (': h ('!

Fishing Industry AdvJsory Board, ti·H~ D c:! pd r· ture n 1.: oF Fi. s I·H:~r· · i. <:1 s • I.~JE! arE:! l::aJ.kl.ng to FANL, lAIC::! a1"e l.:i:\lk ·ing l.:o LhE~ :i.nclope'ndel ' ll':~>. tAlE! are talking to the Cap1in PI"Oducor·s f)ssoctdl:. ·i.un, t•.Je ;:~r·r,1 taJ.king l::o the urd.on, IAJCc1 iH'E' l·:.al.k"i.ng t.o (~VE'!r·ybody. Mr·. Speakt,!Y'. And I arn not: quarrE!] 1 i ng w'i l: h Ml". C h a pHkl n 1 s o b s E:11" vat· . .i. on s oF 1.·. hE! rnarket situation at the moment, but T answered the hon. g to! n t 1 em a n 1 s q u e s U. o n t r· u t h f u 11 y • 1\Jo . iJ.II.

i:lnd truthful] y, clt the momf:~nt, the an s wo r· to h "i. !:; q 11 ~~ s 1.: "i. on "i. !> no . MR. SPF.()KFR : Th~~ t.inH:1 fo1" · Ckal QuesU.ons hcls E!}dpSE!d. Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Spt:1aker·. MR. SPEAKFR: The hon. the Minisl.:er of Fisheries . Mf~. RTDFOUT : Mr. Speaker, yesterday, in q1.1c,1s l:-.i on PC'!r·"i.od. l:hc,~ hon. t:he gE:!I'l't]EHIIi-..11'1 for Tl.uil.lingi'.lte (Mr·. W. C c:\ r• 1: (,11") i:\ S k E:1 d 1111-) -j_ ('" [ IAk' S h"Ali'' I"('! Of t··i·tE'! fi~cl tJ·,;~.t FisJ·,E~r·mon ·.i.n thE!

RE:.d Ha1"bour· •-tr·r~; ~, IAJC;!t"f'! otm:.d '!>90, 000 I bE:.JJE:.uo thi'.lt IAJcts thE! F:igur·p hE:! q u o t (~ d b y ~-, I: . 1.. c:-1 lAir' (;! n c E! PI"OCE!S~~OI"S I. td. J undl'::~rt.ook wil.:h h i .lll 1: h r.d·. 1 IAJO Ill c:l cl'1 r:! C k i. 1: 0 I, I l i:Hl cl infor ·m th~:. House. The hon. <_:ji'::HllJ.t,~llh:Hl, of COIIY'SB, tlliHIE:~ 1~t:1fe1"c·HlCE~ lo Uti'::~ sarrtE! statemE!I'lt again today in the House. Mr·. SpE~akt~r. T am pJ.E~asc,~d t.o inforrn thE! hon. gE!ntleman and . the House that we have c hecked into this matter.

It is rny unde-H'Standtng that on Fr··i.day past., May 20, thE! fishermen r'E!CBiVE!d t:htdr cheqtJes fr•otn the,, co1npany •· c's IAJclS HIE! al"l"angE!IIHHlt. They and the p 1 ant. IAJO r· k E'! r· s tAle I"(~ L o bE:! p a i. c:l every Friday. The bank at St . l . .c:~IAll"E!I'lC~~ Y'(!ft .ISec:l l:.o honour· l::ho C hE~ q U (~ S b ~:. C i'l USE! L h Co~ C hE! qUe S lAJI'::H' e d r i'liAJn on R b 1:·' n k a c co 11 n L "i. n S l:. . John 1 !i. The mat l: el" t.~tas I"E.~ s olVE!d on L·.h,~ s.-1trw cidy t~Jhr:!n l.: hH OlAJnnr· ol7 l. i'IE! COfllj:lbtl'IY I Ml"!~.

T'il'l~). iH'I"iHtg~:!d l:o h.:·1 vo l:he dPPI"Ofll" "i.dl.:r'! Ft1nd~; t I" i'.l n !; f o I" I" P cl F I" om S L . J o h n ' s · l:. o t h ~ : · loci:-11. bdni< Jn ~~;t: l . dl~li"l : !nLn. ll: . , . ~, L2373 May 26, 1988 Vol XL OUI" :lnformaU .on that the si tur.~tion i:\ p FH~ iH' ~; 1: o I:H~ no r'llld l . A 1.1. fishermen and all plant workers lvwo beE!n pc:1 i.d up l:o cia t:.~~, Ml". SpNli<E:1r. SOME HON . MEMBERS : HE:!ar·, hoar·! MR. SPEAKER: -~ -·" ~ - Any fur'\:her· anstJJE!rS to questions? MR. SPEAKER: l'he hon. the Minister of Housing . MR. PF.ACII: Mr·.

SpE:1ai<E!r, I haVE! thE! ansiAJC:!r's t:o q 1 1 c,~ !; t i o n l ~) ?. o n l .: h e 0 r· d ~=! r· P a p <'! r· IAJhich was asked by the hon. rrtE:!rrtbel" r o r· r11 n n "i. h r,~ k ( M r· . F tc! r11.~ri c

k) concer·ning Nei.~Jfouncl1ancl c::~ncl 1.. r:·1 b r· ,:-, d

C) r : I () II!) i. 1'1 9 lAJ""i (··. h I" ('! g d I" d L 0 IAJ h i~ t p 1 a n s t: h E:! H o u !> J n g C o I" p o I" a { :i o n hd~> l:o h t r·~,~ hr:'tndicdppc:!d peopJ.~: ! i.n the corporation; what funds have bE~on r:·\ll.oci'l ·l:e;!(l for hdnd"i.cappE:!d programmes; what funds have been ;:.,l.Joci.•\I:E:'d to tlli·1kc'! the'! cor·por·al· .-i.on i ·t s e 1 f mo r C:' a c c E! s s :i b 1 E! to L h ~~ h ~l n d J c d p p o cl ; and d I" e thE:! r· (:1 c::t n y other prograiTHTIE!S .. that l:hE! cor·por·;~\l:i.on lrti'.lY h<:·\VE:! l:o hE:~1p the;! handi c appE!d? In short, Mr.

Speaker, the cor·por·ati.on ciOE'!S hi:1VE~ act .. iVE! representation on t:he provincial g o v E! r· I'HTI tHll 1 s Ern p l o y 1n o n t. E q u :i. t y Council. We fully endorse equaJ. o p p o r· 1·: u n t t: y f o r· d ll. p '~ o p l f:~ . The:! cor·por'i'll ··. ion h;" s ;;, nurnb('!Y' of pl'::wple on stafF who haVE! va1"-.i.ous dc;!gr'oE:!S of h.:lncJ-Lcdps. A:; d lrtat .ter· of fact, Mr. Speaker, the r: o r· p o r· r:-1 1.: "i. o 1'1 cl u e ::; h "' v f:. d handicapped person on its Board oF I) · i. r· (~ r: 1. o r· ~ ; t~J h o , r d 1 n (; u r· (,' , ·i. n 1:: h f'! rneel:. :ings t.:hat ·.

I helve held tAJ::i.l·:.h t::he llocU"! I (l F n·L r'!') c 1-.!H' :; I C!X PY'(:! ~; s (:) s IAJC:! ll No. 4-4 R23'73 :.~ ...... --

h -.i s con c e r· n s a n d t he n e '"' d s of HH~ handicapp~1d. I IAJould also po:int out, Ml" . Spc->.al< f~r, · .i. n · LhE! dr1 SIAJE! r·, t ha 1:: t. he corporettion's new headquarters on Canada Dl"··i ue ·i ~; dCCC'!S:>c;\bl r:! l::o Lhc-~ <hsabled . Mo s 1:: of the housing un ·i Ls ~~~f.~ hr.·\IJe bli'i.l.i: ou(:! r' l:hE:1 las 1:: yf~i:ll" Ol" ~;o, and, as et mr.l'l .. ter· of F" el c i.: , f o 1 1 r· o r· f ·i. IJ e 1 1 n .i. 1.: ~; l h ,,, IJ C! hcH~ the pJEH'.ISUt'(~ Of OFJEHdng OVEH' 1:. h e l.c::t s 1: c o u pl. P. of rn o rl'l·. h :; , ~; o rn c~ h '~I" E~ i n 1: hE'!

C j t y , out - of four· F ()1.1 r .. u1ri 1: l:l u ·i. 1. ri·"i. I'H3 :; , ~~ll:! h ,,, u e h d d on!':! and tiAlO of thosE~ IAJh"ich i-ll"r:! c OHIP J. o 1:.(~ J. y cldd pi ·.od '" nc:l Iliad e auailabJe to the handicapped . As IAJE~ll, Mr. SpE~a!<:::!r, l :.hE~ corporation, through other pr·ogr·annn~~s, thr·ough i. t:s I~APP pr·ogl"c\ITIInE!S and other· housing p r·o g l"i:~nnnr:1 s , do add r E:! s s t h r-:1 n E! E!d s of H1r-:1 hand:i.cappE!d, and, as l.o~JE! do h a V E:1 t' (~ p t' ~:!

S (~ 1'1 t a 1·:. i 0 n rrli:\ d r:! t.O U ~; F 0 I" va1"ious community groups around l:hr-:1 Pr·ov:ince lJ.J:i t: h r·eg<H'd l:.o housing needs, we arE! ever mindful of the nEH~ ds of the hand i.capped, Mr. Speaker. MR. SIMMf-i: Ml". Speaker. Ml~. ~)PEAKF.R : ThE=! hon. t·he PI"E~s-.i.dE!n t 0 f 'l. hE>. Counctl.. MR . ~HMM~3: Mr. Sped!((~r·, IAI"i.l:h dc'!<·~P t\O(~JI"~) 1: .:~nc:l a poJog-.i.es, l fdiJed to pick up YOIH' Honour· 1 ~; IAJOi"rls 1~1hnn I'll'! ~;•·d rl, 11 N o t· j c E~ s o F M o t :i. o n 11 • C o u 1 d IAJ '~ sl ·i.p b;,,ck t-:.o 1\Jo·i:·ic:<'!S oF Mol.:.:i.on:;, I beg of you.

I have-:~ a ver·y -:1 1 n p o r· 1:. '~' n 1-:. no+:. :i c c,1 1:·. o g J IJ E:! . SOME IWN. MEr.IJB F.l~f:) : Agl"(;! E!d' MR. SPEAI<ER : Agr·eed . 1..23711- May :?.6, 19Bil IJol. XL Notices of Motion MR. SIMMS : Mr. Sp~~ai<Hr . Ml~. SPEAKER: ·rfJe'"-hcm~-· · - the P I" E! S :i. d E:! n L o f L h f'' Co1.1nc: ·i_'l,. r'IR. 3I/Io1MS : M r· . S p r->. a k e:1 r , I g -.i v <.;! n o -l.: :i c E! t h d 1:. I IAI'i. I l. on 1·. orno r r· OIAJ f·l:; k -1 f'!"' v o 'c u i.ntl"oduce a bill r->.ntil::lc"!d, 11

An Act r~o~;pecl: i ng .l.ho Rnor·qan ·i.z.:~t·.:i.o n OF CE:1t"tct:in Govr-:11"nrnent DE:~par·tmE:!nts And f"'i.'ll:tnl":; RC'!}c:\l:o d Or· rnci.cl(:!n-l"·.it:•ll Theret.o 11 • ( Btll No. 4-2) rha n k thank you, hon . pat.".iE:!I'lCE:1 and ~R. LONG: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: f"'r. SpC'!c:\ker, ITIE!lflbE:1rS fOI" c o - o p e r· <il t:. l o n . Petitions ThE:! hon. the membE!r For St . Eas 1·.:. MR. LONG : dl'ld I 1: hc:!".i r· John's Mr. Spe~ker, I hAve m paLi.ti.on today that I would ltke Lo present l:o 1:-.he Ho11~;o. MR . FFNWICK : I 1: hc~!; l, 000 ndlfiC~:;.

Mf', LONG: My currE:Hlt Lol":i:'ll -.is 826 narnE:!S <H oF Ud::; po "i. nt:. Thel"e IAJC:!I"('! solrH:! thmt IAJere going l:o bE! bl"ought Lo IllY oFf:icc~ t:h:-1.:; Hlor·n ·i.ng, bul-.: d 'i.cl not qu:i te make it, so I t h-.ink t here ctra rnuro still out there. The pr·ayE!r of quite tn order, thE! praye1r so No . 4-11. thE! dnd that pE!I:-.ition is I IAri 1 1 r· E' i~ d aJ.J. hon. R2374-

JTI mn I:HcH' !: IAJ j J 1 s (cH~ lA I h a t: t i·lC~! p ~d.: i t i 0 11 :i.s <:lbOII t:. Mr~. MORCAf\J: Is :it or·iginal? MR . LONC: Ov~H' HOO narn~:!s, dl.l ot" i.~ r:Lnal. S:i.gnatutnE~!>, plnopetnly in ord~:!r' and thE! pray~H' of the pC;:~! :. ition r·r·)i'\ds: 11 To the House of Asselflbl.y : 11 We, I:. he undE!rs:ignt~d, call upon our Provjncial government to reject any plans to have nuclear-powered submarines stationed in Newfoundland and Labrador for the following r·~::~asons; 11 AN HON. MFMBEI~: Wha t ? Wha u · SOME HON. MEMRFRS: Oh, oh! I'-1R. MORGr'IN: Yo11 dr'rc~ l'll.l 011t of your mi.nd:; . MR.

LONG: Tf yo11 do not l.~otan · l· : t:o Slipp<)l''t thA pEd:ition, then you can get up and SdY so . But for· no1.~o1 T I~Jould l. :i. kE:~ to finish rE:~ading the praye:1r of t hE! p ~~ 1··. i t i. o n s o +:. h a i·. ·t L 'i. s o n 1:: h ~:! record and all members can understand what the HOO signatories to this are saying. MR . MORGAN : Ar·rc~ you i!llso against ("i.nr:itudi.bl.E!) this time or what? MIL_t9NG: For the foll.owi.ng reasons : 11 WE'! i:J ("!

J. i. 8 V (;:1 1·:. h 8 COl) 1:: oF Lhr.J submarine program I"E:!pl"E!SE!nts a g r· us :; lfl.l . s 1.1 s (! oF" Ct:~l'ldli · i i:'ln taxpMyer 1 s ~onies, e1nd l·: ha t fat" I riCH'(:' j 0 b :; I~JO 11'! ci b f! C I" ('! d 1: r:! c:i J. (- l·IIOSE:1 do]] iH'S IAIC,) I"t" : i.l'lVt:)S \::~:!d into 1..?.37') M;:~y /.(i, 1.9 H ll Vol. X I. other needed ar~as; 11 WE! belJeve, and C:1Xpt':!l"iE!I'lCCc' ha ~; ~; h OIAJI'l , 1:. h ''' !·. n d 1; ;:~ 1. n u c 1 C'! 1'1 r· l" ~ ' 'a c t: or· VE!SSE:~ls pose SE!In:ious ~Hlvir·orHnE!nl::a J. hi:'I"Ldr'cis, and i:.hi.·\L ~)!::.

John 1 s i'1nd othE!r hclr·bours in the Pl"ovJnc~:! al"P n cd.: 1'1 C:lLIJ , nor· IAJ""i.

J. l. 1: h e y b ~) , able 1:. o deal with a reactor accident; We beliE!VE! that n u c 1 E! a r-- p ouJe r E! d s 1.1 brna r· 'i. n c,~ s a r· e noL needed to ass e.r t our arctic soverEdgnty and that these waters co u 1 cl bE:! mo r· E! effectiveJ.y and monitored usi .ng devicE's, surface with pJ.anE'' survedlJ.anCE!; 11 beCr:iiUSC,', morE:' cl'waply underwater sonar vesSE!J.S, togethE!r and saLell.ite and f i nal 1y ~~we of IAJOU J.d believe that the acquis:i.t·ion sub 1rk\ r·"i. n ~:! ~' in thE:! u.::;. n U C l E:! i'lr' p OIAJC! Y' (;! d involve:! CiHlf.H~a 1\J i:•\lJ Y I S St:rt'lt.E'9Y c o n i ·.

I" o 1; C'! r· ~:: :i. i'l l. Mar· it ... i.11lC:' · thi"C:!i'l.LE!ning t: ht'lt' by ~'loll i r'' i: do 1. ~~ r t ' on I. ~; 11 b f 0 r• C (! S , IAI 0 Ll l, d undermine Canadian, as '"'e 1.1 as gl.obdl, sc,,cur·-i.t:y . 11 So, Min. SpE!ilkC:~r·, I IArill pl"E!SE!nl: th0. pc,~ l.: "i 1;. "i.on i·o I:: he,, P<'l 9<·~ i··. o bE! pl"E,sented ·l:o Your Honour, clncl IAJOlilc:l Si:-ly 'i·. hr:'\1:: .t:.hc,1 pr·ayt '! t' of t:hE! petition is outlined in a quite COlrlpl"E:~ht:!rlS"i.VE'! IAJi:-ly. TI·H:!r'e cH'

E) lrli:HlY reasons why gr·owing nwnb~:!rs of Canadi.ans across lhe country, North and South, are vo:ic:ing no t o n 1. y t h 1:) r· ~) c o n c e r· n a b o u 1: t h i. s ~roposa1 by the federal Tory gov~H'nHlt;! nl but, .i.ndeE:•d, UH:!i r· act:i .VE! and thEdr increasingly loud o p p o s t 1·. i. o n 1-: o L h t:! ·i n 1:: e n 1:: -i, o n by L h o government to ~pend anywhere baLwarnn $8 bil.l.i.on and ·$16 billion, to $20 billion of Ci:·ln<.·ld:-i an 1:.dXFJi'lye r·s money OV<"!r' I.: he,, nE:!Xi: f-.ive Ol" LE!I'l yE•alns to pul"Chase r:·\ F'l. r;!

f) t-. 0 r hHl n 1.1 ( l (! r:•\1" - p OIAHH' (! d subrnar-.inE:!S. Ml" . Speakel", I IAJould say LhE'! hon . 1\Jo . ·l4-

House Leader perhaps rnay bE! . the person who might respond on behalf of the g ov e nnnE! nt. The Prerrri ~H' is nol:. in h"'i.~; s~:!al:., but.:· Lhc;! Pr~~m :i~ :! r' in the past has beE!n the pE!rson for· Lhe:1 gover·nuH~nt IAJho l.1: ~dd ti'H :! cl·lr.ll"gE:! on l:h:i~; issue and, in quitE! d E! l. ·i. b c,1 r· <!\ t. H f a s h L o n , d l~ n o 1.1 n c -L n g L h e:1 hon . Mayor· of Lhe C:i ty of St.

John 1 s i. n 1.: h ·i. s l·l o us 1':1 , '' -L r· t 1.1 a '·l l.y calling the mayor of the City nmiiiC:1S ciind +:.hc:1 counc:i.Jl.or·:; ,:~s IJ.Jr;!ll for t~king what he said was an ·i.r'r'E:1spon!;·i.bl .e posi.t·i on. 811 L ( IAJO 11l c:l say 1·. o 1-. h e:1 h on .

H <)II!> e l.ee~dEH', and al s o to t:he Pl"C:1m:ic:11", IJOII :;ho11ld chnck t-.odr:·1Y 1 !> Globe and Ma i 1 on p '-'' g 0.1 3 , I I:H~ 1 :i.e v e i t :~.:;, ·i.n IAJh :-i. ch I~JE:1 hi:·1lJ~) a hr~<'lrll ·· i.nE! that literctlly jumps off the ·c ~HI h~ r· o r· 1.: h o p i!1 g '~ . [ l. s a y :; : 11 5 9 P~~I"CEHJ-i: Oppose Pur·chase of StJb Fl<:H:ll::, Pol.l. ~3ays . 11 NoiAJ 1ld:. we ju!;L cjuol-.:E:1 Fr·on1 t.l'l"i.!;, I was going to say Enviroponics, Envtroni . cs Poll~ that IAH:~s just: published yesterday in which there is a quote from lhe people who sponsored the Poll that says: 11 Playing a t ough, rnacl1o kind of r·ol.e:1 in l::h~~ f.1rc Uc, go i.ng hE!dd l:.o head with the Soviel::s, manfully bH~pi.ng !::he.

AHHH'"i.cans ou1:, all this kind of st:tJff is not go-ing dot;Jn IAH~ll. IAI"i. !--.h +.Jw Canad'i.ans. 11 11 ThE! poll Found !)9 flCo!r' cen-1·. of r· E:! s p o n d ~Hl t. !: d i !> a p p r· o v E:~ d o r ~; 1.: I" o n g l y d "i. !> "' p p r· o lJ f~ d o F 1: h f.! f r-1 d f! r· a 1 go u f~ r· nrno n I 1 ~ ; p J d n to buy a fleet of t en or twelve 1'1 U C J E~ d 1" - p OIAJB I" E~ d S U l:lTTii'.ll" :i.I'W ~; cl'l-. i'..l i ... o 1:. a 1 c o ~; 1-. o F .:·1 i.: 1. l'1 '"~ ~; 1: $1l b:i J] jon, 11 e:~nd pr•obdbly a lot morE~. ~) 0 IAI h i'l 1.: T IAI () 1.11 d ~ ; (·11) L () 1·. h ("! H () u s (-'!

I or.~dE>.I" (Mr·. Simms) dnd U1C:' Pl"E!I'ni1'::11n 'i. s l:. h i. s g 0 u E! I" I'Hil C:! 1'1 1: h d d I:Hd: i:fH' l:.ll;! c iH' E! f u 1 r.:t b o u ·t 1: h e m a n n e r t n 1.u 11 :i c h ll:. speaks to thls i.ssue, L2376 May 26, 1988 Vol XL particularly in the City of St . John's. T can l:~~sL:iFy that almost 900 signatories to this pEd:.iU.on r'(c1pr·c~SE!n · l~. only Lh~:! p r· o u c,1 r· b i d 1 l": i. p of thE! icebEHng . popl .lldr' gr·ouncl SIAJC:1ll fo1n the couragE!Ol.IS St:!I'ISf) pos ·it ·i. on 1·. hi'1t. Lh:is c·H:.y has taken. for· l:hr-) M.:-1yor· oi.s ThE!rC;!

Js f.'l of s uppor·t and cornrnon L h o Mayor · or Th"is suppol"t go .i. ng Lo t r a ns 1 ate i n to :i n d e 1':1 d a ITIOVE!rriE!I'll: 0 I p II b l, "i. r: 0 p :i. l'l "i, 0 1'1 acr'O !>S the Pl"ovince. lhis government and Lhi s Premier ha!; r'!nough pr·oblr "!I'IIS on ·i.t:! ; hdnd s lAd t h 0 U t 1 C:~ ad :i n g L h E! p E! 0 p J. ~~ 0 f I. h j S P r· o u -i. n c c.~ ·-L n i: o 1: h e F r· o n L l 'i. n C.:! s o f what i s becoming increasingJy an 0 b u-i. 0 1.1 S C r• i'1.Z y S C !'10 Ill c.;! b y 1:·. h E• fE!dE!ral Tor'iE!S to IAJas Le i:r.:txp<:ly~n·~; lfiOI'H:!y 01'1 SOIIIC! !< i. nd of pl'lOIIey defE!nCE! poltcy wh-.i.ch is baSE!d · on a r' ~~ d s cdr· o , IAI h i. c h rn <:'t k (.;! s db so J.u l.: f'! 1. y no sense in defence :i.n security Lt:!r'rns, 1.0! 1··. al.onl~ E~conorn-:i.c l:E:!r'ITIS.

The pr·onri . se of E:1Conomic development through military sp~~ndi.ng -i.s soln<:1Lh-Lng l: hal·: Lho people in this Province are i.ncrr~asi.ngl.y, wtth a l.oudor· i:Hlcl louder voice, going to come to l··.h·oi.s golJf :!r'nlnen ·t·: i:'ind say, '11\1~:! reject unequivocaJly the promise of jr:rbs l.o be~ dJ"alAJI'l ·i.nt.o l::hr:• nucler.lr arms racE!.' Thank you, Mr. Speaker . AN HON, MFMR f R : 1·1 f~ <:11" , h o e1 r· ! Ml~. FENWTCI< : Ml" . SpE1akc,~r· .

Ml~. ~:JPFAKER : T hE! hon. the rnernbE!In for M~:!n ·.ihE!k . r1K~_I_lli~J c K : M t' . ~3 p E1 a I< E! r· , s:i 1n·:i.l.ar· l::o di'IO lhE>.r· No . 4-4- R2376

petition we presented before, if th~:!r·c,~ ar·~~ clny othE!In rnernbE!Y'S on Lhe g 0 v E! Y' n Ill(! n L s ·"i. cl 0 0 r· i. n t: h c,~ 0 f r :i. c :i i~l l 0 p p o ~; :i.t:. j_ o n IAJ h o lAd s h t.: o s p c.;! ct I< :i n S 1.1 p p 0 I" 1·. 0 f 1: h ~~ p <~ (": -i. t ··j 0 n , J IAri. J.l b C! glad to s:il: dot!Jn e~nd givE~ thEHn rny pl. ct c c,~ . l d ·i. d no t s n c,1 '" n y bod y l'·:i~;E>., so thE!n I 1Aiil.1 a~;sume :it ltl(,1dl'lS Lhc,~y ar·r~ <"111 oppo~;od l'.o .i L. MR. LONG: The Prtnnier oppos C:~d the pE!ti tion. ·rhe Liberals are opposed ctl.so. Ml~. FENWTCI<: ~s there anyone? No? SOME HON.

MEMBERS : ·-· -------Oh, oh! MR. LONG: The Liberals are also opposed . MR. FENWICK: Okay. M r . S p ~) a k e r· , 1 1: h -L n k i. L -L !i IJ n r· y JnlpOinti:ln'L to I"E11:lliz~~ th:i.s is a petition signed by in excess of 800 ind::i.v:iduals. It is a] so_ a pt!trl·. Of i'l lfiOIH!IfiOI11: I·:OIAliH'dS l.oo!Ci.l'lt] n t u c h rn o I" c,~ c I" j 1 ... :i c a 1] y i:l t. IAJ h a t: IAJ ~~ dIn f~ tJ.d.ll. i l'l g 1: 0 d C C r~ p 1: i. l'l l: C:1 t' I fl S MR. MORGAN: ()r·c,~ t:hc;!IJ 1\Jr:!IAJi'ounrll<".lndE!t'S? MR JENWI~K: ·- of lfl'il.i.b:H'Ij dr:!VOl.OplrlfHlt . MR. MORGAN: .

Are they Newfoundlanders or some (.i.naudibl.r~)? MR. FENWTCI<: The qiH!S tion, Ml". Sp(:laker, MR. LONG: TI'H'! y t:he 1../.377 a I" e -L n lilY cl i. ~, I:. In i. c 1:· • CiLy of St. John 1 s, May 26, 1988 (;l l J. "in OVfH' thE! Vo] XL Oh, oh! Ml'~. STMMS: You do-- not r(!pl"l:;!SC:lnt 'Lhr:! whoJ.,,! Ci.ty of St. John 1 s. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. LONG: fl E! c l r~ a r· o n j , t . MR. SPEAI<ER: Order, please! MR. LONG : Res tau rcHlt s p~1 t .. Lt:ion. MR. SPEAKER: CkdrH', pl.r~asc;!! MR. MORGAN: doiAJntown Bol"l'l on l'.:he llldi.nl.dnd! r-1H~. LONG: Co j 1 1 rn fl :i. n 1:: h c,1 l. i.·l !< <~ !

Mf~. FENWTCI<: MJ". Speaker - Mf~. MORGAN: ( J n 1.-liJ c:l :i. b J. e) 1.: h c,1 p <'! i'. i 1-:. :i. on . MR. LONG: had 1·1 ·~l"v c,~ a J..o o k "'t t:: h c,~ p c~ 1. :i. t--. :i. on . MIL_. FENWICK: Mr. Sp~:!;:,,kor·, rndybe l ... hf:1 "i.nd ·iv .. .i.dui.oJ.l.s can continue bn the debate at some othE!r t ·:i.rnc,1 '''nd dl .lt'i.ng soln<:' ot:hc,'r occasion in this House, I hope. What I IAJouJ.d J.ikE! to clo is rnake some very important points with respE!Ct to it.

ThE!re has bc;!~:!n a b -L l:. of c o n f u s ·. i. o n c o tr1 i. n g o u t:. of 1:'. hE! pos:it.:ion frorn City HaJJ. about I~Jhei:hor· or· n<:Jt: the c-Lt:y's position is that this is a nuclear Free 7. on f'! "i. n 1: f:! l" tn s of IAtf:! ;;, pons or· in terms of power plants. I think it.: ·j ~; 'i.lnpol" 'l·.an 1·. l.:o l"f~;;l'l. -i I.C! 1-.ha 1--. ""it No. 44 R2377

1nay b~~ I Lhink th~~ memi:HH' For Wah~rford -· Ke:~nmount (Mr. Gullage) rn.:~y conf'.'i.r·1n that h:l.s bt~l.t(:!f "'.s that it is nuclear weapons free z on t:~ . But , Mr· . S p c,~ i!!l< e:1 r , what:. I th'.i.nk it is important to reaJ.ize .is l:'. he d .i. st. i. n c t. i. on b c,~ l··.IAH'! t'. n n u c 1. ~1 a r· power plants and nuclear weapons is a spurious separation. Tn facl:., i.n Lh('. case;! of t•.Jar·, :i.n t he case of a submarine being b u r· n o d o r· b o -i. n g d t'. s 1: r· u y t:! d , i·: h c>. effect of a nucJ.ear-powered S ui:)ITii:H' :i 1'1 (:~ b J. OIAJ':i. 119 Ll p "i.

S 1.: h C:1 !) H111(:1 :in h>.l"rns of Lht:! numi:H,~r of pe:1oplt>. -LI·.: ld . l.l.~; .~nd t. hC:~ E!ffor:L -i.t l'ld! ; on i:l cjt·y J:il<c-?. ~H . . John 1 s ciS if a nucl.t:1dr IAlCO!dpOI'l IAIC:1l"C:1 dCI:I .Idl.l.y ll !)f'.d '.i n th('. city. I think it :i.~; 1nat.her ch. f f i. r: 1 ill:. r 0 r FH'.O p -1 e 1: () s (:1 p iH' o:'\ 1: C'. tht>. fact· t .hat c,dthc,~r is i'l very c 1 (;! r~ r· 1·: h r· t·'. C\ t ·1·. 0 "' c tty l. ·j k e s J·: . Joi111 1 S. OrH'! or Lhe things that lA)(:~ should i':\1!>0 Y't'.dl-i.Le is these nucl.ec\lr submar·int:1S !:hat th~1 Pr'E!mier so t:1ager·ly IA.Ii-Hl'ts i.n th~'.

Ci. ty of Sl:. John 1 s, Wclnts in our harbours are ones wh:i.ch ar·c,~ not pE:H'rrri.t.t~>.d in Nt?.IAJ York City, are not pE!rmitted :in San Francisco har·bour·, and ar·e not permitted in major harbours in t:hc-:1 Uni.t.c>.d St.al:.e:1s b(:1CaUSE! l:he pE!OplE~ IAJho makE! 'l:hE!m and man thE!TTl and IAJho sup~H'V i.se UH'!lrl, i·:ho American government, realize that i. 1:. i. s F o 1. l. 1J L o p u 1·:. n u c 1. e H r l"eacLors J..ike that close Lo major p o p 1 1l i~ 1: :i. o n c E~ n 1': r· c'. s .

Ml" . ~3p(~akc;'l", ~~!hun t~!o h:·1l.k db0111- . :i.·l·, apdl" t. from Lh(;! incr·~"dible IAld!;·l:r:! of ·i·.a!dng $

H) l:o $/.0 b:i.ll. 'i. on IAJOI"'Lh of ntorH'.Y to put into thi~; p d l" t 'i. C Ill i:H' lWi l. -i. trH··y C:~ X p ~Hh:l'i . l': II t' 0 , ti ' IE~l"~~ :i~; d vc:!I"Y c]~~ar· Lhl"edt l'.·.o Lhe:~ pE:!Opl.t:! or ~:) · 1· . . John 1 s Ul" r"lny llal"boUl" :ir1 this Pr·ovincc~. iF WP lAH:H'E'. l: o stdl: "i.on nucloi!lr' !>l . tbm;:~ r·-Lnes .

In 1-:h i !) ' by IA)dlj, I L2378 May 26, 1988 Vol XL should tnc~nt:lon ·i:o you +.:hat nell:hE!Y' the fedE!ral party, mysE!lf, nor rny c o 1.1 t~ d g u e h t~ r· e , d r· t:! p d r· t. i. c u 1 i'i I" 1 y opposed to conventionally powered sub1nar·in~:!s in dn appr·opr· 'i.clt:.e r·oJ.r:1, defined for Canada, in which we h i!\ v c:! d n a p p r· o p r· .i m t. c~ d o f c:! n c e p o 1 :.i. c y that mak es s ome rational sense. Quite frankly, the only defence _poJ -i.cy '[ hc:\VC:1 SOE!n lfli;tkE!

SOnSC:! ·Ls the one adopted by the federal New Do u1o·c r· i~\ 1. -.i. c P iH' 1-. y i. n -L !':. !; r· t:! c c:! n l:: White Paper, aJ.l of which are r~\Vi:·\:i.l . dbl 0 i·.:o hon. lflt~rnbc:!t'S h~; !t'O SO they may actually learn a b:i. t abot .t !'. ·i.n ·l:r;!r'na l:. i.ondl s 1-:.r'd l .. eqy dnd <:·\ clefencC:1 poJ.'.i.cy e:~ppi"Opr·iat:E! t:. o oul" L-i. ulf'!~;. li,J'i.·l:h l:: hai:, Mr·. Sp oa kEH' , I sit down saying I entirely s upporL J:·.ho pc,1 ·1·. i. l. ·i.on l:hr-\ l:. hd!> beo1 ·1 pr'E! s E! nb:!d. I bE:! 1 i E!

V e '.in thE! f U t U r• (:1 IAIO LAJ'i J.J. h r'l v C! ''' 1no r' E! ~:! n l 'i. g h l'.: f:! n E'! d E!lCo!CtoratE! . It is obvious in t:his H 0 l.l s (~ ' t h 0 t' 0 d r· ~:! f -L r 1··. y p p 0 p 1. E' here, that not only do not k notAl 1~.1 h at t.: h C:1 y a t' c~ t. rl l k :i ng a b o 1.1 l:. l n terms of nuclear defe1nCE!, bu ·t E!VE:1n IAJor·se, ar(~1 not ~~vc-:!n opon t.o listening to the argurnE!nt .: s and looktng at: t:hE:! pt::1r·'i. l.s that arE! thE!re. That is too bad. WE! arE! IAI '.'i. 1. J. '.'i. n g l: 0 d 0 i. 1:. . Loll E! l:: h ·l n k J. (·:. i s our responsibility. SOME l-ION.

MEMBERS: He:1a1", hodr'! I'-1R. DAWE : Ml" . Spea I< E!Y' . MR . SPEAI<ER : Thf'. hon. l.:hr:! M:-i.n "i.s I.e I" of Irl'l:co!rgovE!nHnC:Hil::aJ Affaii"S. SOME HON. MEMBERS : 1·1 o ,., r· , h c~ a l" ! MR . DA~\JE: ---- -·-Mr. SpE!ai< E!I", I liH~lrlbur·~; on i:h i s No. 44 l"i s (! s i. c:l (:' on of bE!half of +: ho l · lou~>E'. R2378

. t. o s u p p u r L 1 c c:! t' 1: r:d 11 1. y I ·Uw r :L g h l: for people to have varying o p ·oi. rl'i o 11 ~; d !> t·.: o h cu~J C ;:·l n "' d .:-1 !> 1·1 o 1 il d be defended and the type of s (·: J" a , .. _ (~ 9 y t~Jiri c h C R n .:·l d d l · u~ s t o pt t t Forward to make sure its !; o \) <:! I" e 'i. g n I. y d n d 'i. l. ::; I: c,~ I" t' -i. I: 0 t' ·i f'! 5 ~re protected and the people of Cdn,:ldd dr'e pr·ol·.r:!ct:r'!d.

C (:!I" i: d 'i. n 1. y I ~1 r' . ~3 p r~ d I< e t' , ·L F h on . mEwlbEH'S t:o r11y far' left. w~H·e as ('!XC·i. t.r ~d drlll as COIIIIII"i.t-.l:.nd 1-.o def<::~nd:i . ng and main ·taini11g Canada's so v r~ r t:! i g n t y as 1':. h <:' y a r' o on ·1·. h i. s p a r· t i c u 1 a I" i s s u <::~ , t h e n ~'H:H' h a p s lAJ e would havt-:! nothing l:.o fH<H' ft'OHI anybody because it was a very e rna t. :ion a 1 o u Un1 r· s 1: 1: hat: 1: I·H:! h on . rriE!mbto!Y' fo1~ St. John's East (Mr·. Long) d'i.spJ.ayed. Mr. ~)pE~al<er·, l:he Pt'E!IIJ:i.(~r· has annunciat<,~d this on F>r'E!Vious occasion~;.

IAJ(~ cer·ta i.nly ar·e qo··i.ng 'L o do E~ v c,H' y t. hi n g tAJe can :1. n t h :is P r' o vi. n c ('! 1 ... o uta I< e s l.tr' e 1: h a i:. l: he I" c,~ is a more equi t able distribution of DNO spending oi.n Cdnada. We .:-1re by far· the J owest pE:H' ce~pi ta r-~~cr~-i.vc,~r· of I)ND spc~nd · i . ng in l:he context of lh:is Pt"uv'.incc,1 e~s for' t:!xpond-i.i.:llr'E:1~; Fr'oln Nal·.·i.o 1·1,:ll Derf-:1nct:! and Wf-:~ tAJant to TTiclke SUI"<-:!, and we IAJ.i.l.l rrt.:lke Sl.t1"(,1, ;u1d 1m,1 ;u·n r:lo'i.n9 ~~v~~r·yth:ing tAl~~ cr:tn tht~ough c 0 n v (' ! ( ' s d I: 1 0 n s .

I~J i L h l . h (~ r-~ ·i. n "i. s t ·. (! t' 0 r Nc.lt.:ionr:\J [)c,'fBncc,1, OUI" ft"ic,~nd, t.hE! M-:J.n'i.!;l.c:!r' of 'f.ni':er·nai.:i . on;:~l. Tr'r:·ldo, Mr. Crosbie, and l:he Prime M"i.ni. s Le r' i:hr·ough l.:he Pr'f~tn-i et' 1 ~; off:i.c<:1, t.o makE:! sut~e that tl·1c:~t d :i. s c r <::~pan c y and '1-. h i'l L c:l oi. !> p i:l r' i. t·. y ·'i. n l:.hE! I':~XpE!I'lCLitui"B fr'Off! LhE! fE!dE!Inal govr~r·nrn~:!nl:, pctr''l': . .icular·l.y in l~h<::1 ar'<:1a of National DE!f<::~nCE!, is mor'E! e qui 1: a b 1 y s p e n 1:: a n d a 1 at' g e r' portion is s pent in this Pt"OV -Lnc~:!.

May ?.6, 1.9B8 Vol X I. MR . DAWF:: Th:i.s par-ticular· pr·ogr·ammE! and thE! <-~ x p f! 1'1 d 'i. t 1 1 I" r,~ o F 1-: h "i. s d 1 no 1.1 n 1·.: of money, the many b:iJ.J.ions of d n l.l"' r· ~; , p I" o 1; -i. d E! ~; H - u n -i. q u f:! o p p o r' t u n :i. t: y IAJ E~ h a v E• n e v E! r' h a c1 befor·:~ l·.o dr:cn~;~; ,,, s ·i.qn "i.f.i.c dnl·:. amount of new expendit:ures. The Nat:i.ondl DE!f E!I1CE!

DE:! par' l .. fTI(!l'l l.: .:-lntl i·_ h(~ fedr:!l"i-1 .. 1. got;er'ntrlonl.: hr:<tur::• maintained they ar·e not: tA.d.l1Jng l:o +·. ,., k o. e x ·oi. s l: :-i. n g p 1" o g r' a rrn n (;! !> a n d existing infrastructure from one pc:lr'L uf Cdl'li:ldi'l. i'lnd lfiOVC:! i.t:-. t:.o another part, but this Y'E!present:s, dS a r·e~;ul.l: of a Whi.t:~:!

Pdpl'!Y' put out by thE! fE!dE!rcll goVE!rnmE!nt, nE!IAJ <:1 x pend . i. t: u r' (~ s o F n r:11AJ do ll. i'~ t" s J n 1:: he area of National Defence and it: pr·ov·oi.dE!S a l.tn ·i.qU("! oppor tunt l:.y fur' this Province to try and access S 0 Ill(~ 0 f 1:: h 0 S ~~ d 0 1 l. a r' 5 , IAJ (~ IAJ:i 1. 1 bE! VE!ry aggressive in making SUJ"c'.! l:.hi.s Pr-ovince,, dnd l::ht:! pt:!ople ol Newfoundland benefit from this kJ.ncl of nconolnic b~~ nef i.l: .. "' g ,,, "i, 11 • r~ t' ' s p 0 "' k ~:! r' I b (~ F () t' ('!

T s L L down, I w:ish to acknowledge the r·:i.gl1l·:. of P'~opl<-~ IAJho sign pE~i:. 'it.io ns to make representation to theJr I og i ~d<'l I·. 1Jt'l:!

Lwi.l:h \J,H'Y:i ng optnion~:; cH1d CEH'tainly thosE:~ opinions, as 1~1 <:! ll. .:-1 s p n o p l 1:1 ttl h o h o::J t.J n o p i. n "i. o n s :in a cornpl<'!-LE:~Jy oppos:it:E'! dj_t"ect-:i .on ;·., n rl IAJ h o F 1 1 '1. 1. y ~; u p p o t' 1·: ·t. h -L s k "i. n c:l of :ln:i'L-:iativE:~ on bc.;!hr.tlf oF Lh:i.~; 1'1 d l: "i. o n "' 1. g o v c,n' rw1 I-:! n L: c.Hl d c o n s i. d ''H' it:. to bE! long OVE'!r'dUE!, 1 Cf:!l"l::a:inly s uppor· t 'i.: h<:! pecq:>-1 o who l·l<'IIH:! t:hat v ·.i EHAJ a s IAJE~ 11 . M r . S p <::' a k E! 1~ • t.~J:i. t h l:.hdt: MR . SIMMS : BE!fore you s:l.t down.

IAr.:i.l:: h rE!SpE!cl: 1:. o t: h t:! Mayo t' , tAH~ h l.'t v ~'! lot!; oF dE!aJ.ings ud.th I: he May o r, very. V(:!r' y good deal. " t . ncJ~> on lll<!lny occasions. This is onJ.y one rnat \:'.c:! t' . MR. SPE'AKER : 1\J () ' lf./1- 1~23'79

Ot"dc->.r, please! Ml~. SIMf"'S: ·oor::'s hr::~· not sl:iJ.l have tirrH:1 left? HE~ t.uas not fin :i.shc,1d. MR ~I}WE : Mr . Speaker, as it relates s p E:H: i F J c a 11 y 1·. o \:: h c,1 C i. t y of S t . . John's and to the Mayor of this City, as my colleague, the Prr::1sJdent of thE! Coundl, the Pr·E~si.dE:Hl~. of Tr·er.U>l.tr'Y Boar·d, t.hc,~ Minister responsible for the St.at:us of Womon, HoLts(;!

U~ddE!r, 1ny colleague to my very near left, h d s p 0 ·i. n ~ ~ (~ c:l 0 l.l +: I I~ I Cc1 h d v E! d l. 0 +: 0 f' ongo::i ng dnd c->.xcell e nt.-. r· e l. a t"i. o n s rri. p s 1~Ji t·. h '1: h ~~ c -i_ I: y o F ~H .

John 1 ~; and ar'C'! vc,H'Y suppol"t:iuE:1 and ~~IOI"k co oper·.:-1 L-i.unl.y l:oyn HHH' 1.-.o mc.~kE:1 SUI"(! that t.h:is Cit:.y, a~; an :i n 1.: c,~ g r· a l. p d I" 1: of I: h i •; P r· o !J -L n c E~ , con t :int.IE~s to PI"Ospet" and takc,1 d c.l v m n 1:. ,,, g f'! 0 r lfld n y () p p () r· i·_tl n 'i. t .'-i. (;! s fi"Om t.:he fE~dE~I"al gouer·nmc,~nt and f'I"OIII U·t(! pl"outn c-i.al gouer·ntnen , .. _. So, Mr. Speaker, with those few IAIOrds, T concl.ud~: !. MR. DOYLE: And they to~lerE! UE!ry wise words, I must s;~y. MR. LONG : Mr. SpeakE!Y' . MR.

SPEAKER: Orde1", phH'lSE!! lnJ~ ~ iH'E:! on p ~d::i t: :i.uris notAl . T s l:: h f:1 h on . me rnb e r· r• i ~; in g t~ o Pt" e SE! nl '" n o 1·: h E! r p (! 1·. :i. ·1.-. 'i. o n ? Ml~. I_ONG : No , I d m o n c'l p o :i n t of o I" cJ E'! r· , M I" . Spoakc!r'. M I~ . :3 P E A I< r:: R : -A jJ 0 :i I d 0 f' 0 I" cJ H I" , I:J·J (:! h 0 n , th e tiiHJnb~ : !r' Fot" f) 'l:. John 1 ~; F··\s 1: I_23BO r"lay _26, 191lll Vol XI.. MR. LONG: My point of order 'i.s with r·t~forE:!nce l:.o !':.hE~ cornrnE!nl·:~; rnade by the rnember for Bonauista South (Mr·. Mot"gan) concE:1r•n.i.ng LhC'! n<-'ll'nE:!S on the p e tition.

I u.Jou1d likE! to cl r· C.'liAI t () 1--. h ( ~ m t t. u l'l +: i. 0 1'1 0 r L h E! H 01.1 s E! the names on the petition - MR. SPEAKER : Or•dEH', please! T h a t. ·i. s n o 1: d p o ·i. n t o f o r· cl c;! r 1:: h (;! • h on . mE! m be r i s r i s :l n g on . H E! ha s p r· e s e n ~- o d a p ~) t. i . 1 ~ -i_ o n 11.1 i. 1-.: h a CE!rtain number· of narnes Qn '.it., and 1 .-: hc,1~~c,1 n<~\ltlo: ; h.,,v(,1 br)on acc r,1p~: od. Thoro i s no po -L n t of order . MR. I_Of\IG : I r'.ise on a point of pr i vi l ege, M r· . :1 p (~ ; _~ k o r· . ~~f~. SPEr11<ER : ·A-·--p-0i.l1·t'o ':r- pI" :i. u i l e g E!

I t: h (! h 0 n . 1: h e Jn~:!ti'lb(,~r f'or· f-)1 : . John 1 ~; Fe:·\ !) t .. MR. LONG : My point or priu:ilege, Mr . Speal<er, is that I bE!liE!U e that the member For Bonaulsta South has questionE!d thE! validity of thE! s -:i g n ''-~ 1·:. 1.1 r E:1 s o n t h (:1 p o t. i t: :i. o n IAI h :i c h I presentE!d with seUE!ral hundr'E!dS narnos on ll::. In particular, . I IAIOuld like to say that: Ut~:!Y'O is a person in the gallery - MR. SPEAKER : 0 r· d EH' , p 1 e as E! ! Mf~.

LONG : --·-----t o d c\ y , 1~1 h o i s d C r· i'\ cl o I X St.UdE!I'l'L, t~ho gathE•rE:~cl 200 I'IC'.\ITIE:!S j 1'1 ht:!Y' school. r.11 ~~ . S P E r1 K F R : Ch'dE~r, pJ.t:~i'lS( ' !! Ot"dt:H', p].(~i:'l~; e! The hon . member ~) p (~ d k C.:! I" i" i. ~ ; (! :; h E• Ht~ ::i.s h E~ r·(:~ :in No. t'J.lJ. knows wi·H:! n l:: h P s hould ~; i.l-. . doJ ~ II'l. !:hE:! HOU S E:' long I~ 2 3 80

enough to realize that. MR. LONG: ------ 1\11~. SPF.(li<Ff~ : hon. nH ,~ rnber· J s, t.o ab1.1 s :i.ng 1: h n p r· "i v ·i 1 E~ g C'~ s Hou s c,~ by r:i!;:ing on i'l p r· -i IJ ·i. 1 e q e . IAJ h cd: E~ v e 1': cd:. Thc-:~r'r:! 'i.s no thE~ pi"E~SE:~nt 30ME 1101\J. MFMB F f~S: NcHTIE~ h:ir11! Name h:i 11'1! rny mind, or 'l:hn po:int of p r· ·i v ·i ·1 e •J f~ t:irne, no Orders of the Day MR. SIMMS: M r· . S p 1::~ a k e r· , c a. r r· y -.i. n g o n 1.u i. 1:. h legislation, we cH'B dE~alJ.ng at ti·}e present t i me with Order 9, Bill No. 14-, IAJhich IAJi'.lS adjourrwd last day by thc.;!

ITIE:~mbE:H' for· Sb~phc.;!nV i.lllc~. MR. SPEAKER: The han. the member for Sl:e::~phenv"i.J.l.o adjourn,~d i.:hl:~ debate. He has his full time . the member for ' I\1R. 1<. AYLWAIW : T h a n k y n 11 , M I" . ~:) p 0 ~~ kf~ r· . I L -j ~; r:\ p 1. E~"' s I I r: 0 L () ~; p E! r'\ k 1-. 0 -1:. h H b:i 1J bEd IISJ br·ought :in by the,~ han. ln:in:i.si""<'!r. T hdvc,~ just a COIIp 'l(! oF ctHICE~I"ns t.hi~L I IAJould J.ikc,~ to E:!Xfll'"'('.~~;l; on bE:!hr:·\l.f of SUlliE~ const:ituents of m:inE:', and also con c E:! r· n s IAJ .i. 1:: h 1-: he g E~ n E:! r· a l p ;~ r· t: o f thE~ b:i J.J..

Ther·c,~ are t.I~.Jo l:o makE•. t'E!fc,~r·c;!nCE:~ :i.n s:ignagE! on the I: hE:~ De par L·.m~:!n 1:: ThE:~ Chr.HnbEH' of po .i n 1: s T IAJOU l.d l. .ike::~ OnE~ po:i nt, 1.U-.i th thE:! b.il.l., i. s t.o hJ.ghways put up by of T t' an s p or· t ;:,\ 1".·. "i. on . Commerce in my area 1 .. 23 81. May 26, l9HB Vol XI. has been very interested in it, a n d I 1.: h ·i. n k :i. n o 1:: h o r· a r· e c\ s o f t: h c;! ProvinCE! IAJI'lE!rE! placE!S at~E! off the b c,~ o·\ 1: en p .:'1 t h of 1: h o T r·· an~; Can 1:'1 d a Highway.

They have been d t t c~ rn p 1· .. ·.i. n g 1. o p u 1·. 1 1 p ~; i. q nag e I·· o promote the areas in which l::hoy ·1 i IJE! , c\1'1 rl i . h ,:-d·. h a ~:: b n e n .:\ p r· o b l r:! 1 n :in trytng to g~:!t: n:ice sJ.sJns up Lo p r· 0 HI 0 I :C:! , r 0 t'

f) X r'\ 1 II p "I (~ , 1--. h n 13 ifl y ~;){· . GE:HH'ge, Port a1.1 Por·t cli"C"!a . Ther·E:~ IAJi'..IS somE~ conon·n, I beliE:!VB, 1~1i . 1.: h ·i. n 1:. h n D c~ p"' I" I·:. In(:! n 1·:. o·F Tr·ansportation, cls Lo the t:.ypE! of !>"i.gni'\l]E!, anrl so on. T i:-\111 hoping i·o seE~, I SE!E! SOrTIE!

Udngs in hE:~tne t' E~ J. a 1.: l:! d I: o !> :i. g n a g <c' p u 1.: u p b y 1:. h e ProvinCE!, but I would l:l.kE! to sE:~e if t.: h l~ rn J n i. s 1- u r· co u l. d add t' E:! s s t h a t. mattE!r IAJhen he riSE!S, IAJ:i.th lnE!SpE!C 1:: 1-.o org;\\nJzdti.ons, or· comrnuntt:.:l.E~s that are trying to promote l:h~~rnsE~l.vt'!S . .

T Lh "i. nk .i. t. ·.is v~:!t~y i m p o r t a n t f o r c orrnn u n i L i c;! s o f f - 1·:. h E~ path of the Trans Canada, especiaJ.ly when it comes to 1.: o Ul" "i. s rn , I: o g C:! t-. 1·. h l:! p r· o p o r· pr·ornotional effort put out: on thE• l·r:l g hiAJCl y s o t h (~ y can d r· "IAJ 1:: hE:~ tourism dollar intQ these areas. Tl·. " i . ~; lJer·y -i.IIIPOI"I.:<:Htl.: For· i:hc'! economies of these areas of Lhe Pr·olJ-i.ncP.. Jl : h.:'1S been d pr·obll :! ITI. A s a rna t t. E:! t" of f a c t , I b c;! l J.

E:~ v (;~ t h e t'nsponse fr·urn Utf! · I)C'!PrH'l .lll('! rll": oF Trt-'lnspor·tat:ion Cl number of rno.nt.hs r:-l g n IAk\ ~; I: h.:-\ 1: 1.: h c:! y IAJf~ r· c~ IAJO r· k ·i. n g o n Cl bil.l, and thE!Y IAJCc'l"t'~ J.ool<-.:i.ng at l<,,g.i.:;ldL:i.on. I '~1011ld as!>l.llllr:! 1:: hal:: that is going to be addressed. MR. DOYLE : I ~; u p p o r· t: !AJ h ~" 1:. y o u <~ I" E~ s a y i n g . MR. K.

AYLWARD: A 1. r· .i g h t , a !> y o u d r· E:! at,~.Jare, :l t ts hc-~ppE~ning parts of l::he Prov-.i.nce. ~:)0 I.;JO something. 1\Jo . '1-'1- IAJO U l. d I l. .ik E'! th:i .nk PI"Obably in othE!l~ i·.o s t::'E! a good r~2381

cornp1"onris~~ can I:H"! l.o~Jor·ked out on l.: hi:\ ~~ lfl.:-1 i'.l.: (;! t• IAI l'l"i. C h IAJi.l. J. C:d. l. OW i.: he ~;(,1 cornlmHiit·:i.es uJhj ch rH'Ei! nut in undE:•r' 1:.1'1(,1 d'.i.l"f:1CL: TCH 1.:0 be <:1blo l·:o bei'IE:1f:i.t. and, as I . say, to avail of l h ;:'l 1:. o p p o r· 1.: u n :i l y 1: o d r· d 1.1.1 l:.o u I" -i. s t:. s into thEd.r· rH'E:1as. If th(,1 minister could address that, T would C!ppr·ed .atE! it. Orl a second rnat'.t:or·, I had a l.el:t:~H' fr·om a constitUE!nt a while back. In t:hE! bill i.ts,~lf, ·i.t tc:al.ks about accidents, the repor·ting of motor ~J '~ h J c l.

E:1 d c c .i. d ('! n ·t. s , r:1 n d s o o n . () constituent in my area had an r:1cc.id~~nt and hHd h"i.l:. f-1 gudl"d ra i.l, and IA.IE!nl: through thE! guard r·ail. T h (,1 d c c i. cit~ n l: IAJr..'l s r· (,1 p o r·l:: '~ d ; the I" r~ was a report done. But he r·t:!cei . lH:!d a b"i. l.l. fr·o1n l:ht~ 11E~Pcll"tnl~'!nl·: of Tl"<.'lnsportat::ion for· ·1·. he r· o pl. d c o 111 C.:! rl'i. o f I: h (~ . g 11 i'\r' d l"i:d J.

T I..IIOIJ] d br·:ing t hi'Jt qiH!S l'·:i.on l:o thf:1 rn"i.rri.!;l:er·, •'\S l:o llJhwl.:hr'!t' or· 1'1ol·.· thc:~t ·.)~; go~Jf:11"1'1ITIE~nt poJ'.:i.cy l·· o SC:!ncl l:.h(,1 1"epl.ar:e111nnl· . co:; ·l·. of l:hr'! protection you pay for to a person IAI h () h i:l S d 1'1 d. C C "i. d (:' 1'1 1·· . • To 1110, it ·1.s not oxdcl ·:ly d fa:i.r policy. I would hope the hon.

Ill i rd s t E:1 r , a n d I 1·1 .:-l v o s ~~ n t h L rn a J.E:1tter on Ulis and have addressed "it to h:i.s d~::1par·t.mf:1nl:, I would hope that matter can be addressed becaus<;! _il: :i.s a g(;!nu:inE! concer·n l::o myself and to many people out there that the guard rails or guide rair s that are put up around t: he P r· o v .i. n c f:1 a r· ~~ t h (! r· <-?. t. o p r· o t (~ c l: tl1<:1 pE~oplE! who dl"iVE!. No doubt, s o 1 n (;! p '~ o pl. ~:! rna y be a r· e c a I" o 1. f~ s ~; , and so on.

I would hope government will rei"ll·i7.e U1r:-1l:. l~lht~n yo11 gr~i·. <:-1 dl"iV<'!I" 1 ~; J i.cer1cE:!, you pay fe~~s c:'lnd yo1.1 r:n·r~ pdy ·Lnq ·i.nSill"eHlCO, ;u1d so o 11 . I hop~~ thE! go v E'! r llrrl(c1 n t c a I' I bE! .:1 "li'l:i:'lo b·il: lfl(H 'n r.dl ", r Lhink, :in 'l:'l"y:ing 'l':o collect l.h :is typf:1 oF fldYIIII~I'll-'. fr·orn ~;OIIlfd:JOdy I~JhO h<'lS •'ll'l 1238/. May 26, 1988 Vol XL accident. The general. laxpayE!r, I l·.h'i.nk nor·1ndl l y, 1.o~1'i.ll. pay l:·.hf'! IAJhol.e thing.

When you pay your fees for drivers 1 'i.cr:!nS(,1S , you pdy your· fE:!E:!S for· r.·' variety of ot:hE!r things . MR. FUREY: You have to nail (inaudib1e) . MR. K. AYLWARD: wE~ 1 J.. I l:: h d t i. s r i n f:1 IAI h (:! n y () u d i:\ rn d g (! property, but a gur:1.rd raJl is there to protect you. ()N HON. MF.MBER : (Inaudibh1). MR. K. AYLWARD: ltJ e ll. , ·i 1: ·i s pI" o p e r· 1:: y , b u 1·. ·i 1· i ~: a1so a guard rail that you pay for 1~1 "i. ·1: h yo 11 t' d I" ·i lJ f:! r· ~; l i c n n !; (~ F C! e . Mf~. DFCI<ER: It :i.s a guide r~~l . Mf~. K.

AYLWARD: r 1.: i. s ,,, g u i. d e r· <:-1 ·i. 1. , o r· w h a 1·. H v ''! r· you want to call it, but it is ·1·: h (cH' (! l: o p r· o l: p c I: y C)l.l . ~3 o rn (.;! t .. l rn (:! s the road is not in VE!ry good shape an cl you hi. i: t: h o g u a r· d I'' a :i. 1 and you go through it. I think it J.s a 1nal'.:t\,1r' l.o~J(~ shou1d look at. as par·t of lhe pol:ic 'y of governniE!nt. I IA.Jould hope that thE! ... rnin:i.stE!I~, being a rH~IAJ 1rrirl"i.sbH' :in l:he department, l.•.lill rE!ViE!W that just: to S\c10 i.f so mEd:.hi.ng can bi'~ donE• about that matter.

Those are the two major concerns I hi:·\lJr,~, spec:"i.f"i.c Ol'lt'!S, 1n·i.nd 1}01 .1, bul:: ones thc::~t r'E!lr:lt:E! to thE! b:ill and ·i. f ·l".hn IIJ"i.n:i .s i ".E~ r· cdn acldr·(!SS 1".hose in LhE! l'lE!r.tr· lu t:.ur·e, I IAJou1d g r· n ,., i.'1 y r:·\ p pI" n c ·i. i'l ·(·y i 1· .. Thdilk ynll, ~·1r·' ~:)j:H!dkf:!l" I r ~

l) l" IJOI.Ir·· patience and your L:l.me. No. 44 R2382

SOME HON . MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. BA I<E R: Mr. Speake:~ In. MR. SPE()I<ER: Th~~ hon. {'he TTHHnbeln for Gander . Mf~. RAI<FR: Ti·h·\nk--yoLt ver·y IIlLich, Mr·. Sp(~dkcH' . J ~; e ~~ t h <-:! h o 11 . rn :i n i s t (;! r IAJi·..t s o n h :i s fr:!r:!l ·: .'lrH:I I dlfl SOI"r'y t·:o · i.n+·.r,~t'ilpl:. h-:i I'll but J ilr.lVC:l j U~;t a fE!IAl COmTTHHltS a b o 1 11: t h ~~ b -i. 1. 1. . r11 y rwi k c:! ·i. :; n o t tur·nc-:!d on, t.hi.'l L ::i.s IAJhy yolJ c<Hli"Hjt: h~:!dl". JI.IS( l>OrriO COIIIIIJ(o1nl:S ;:·\bOIIt t. h J. 5 p a r 'L j C lJ 1 iH' b i 11. , F :i Y' s t 0 f all., I: he obvious coHIHI(~I'l·l·.

Hk\de lfleHlY t:iTIIE:~S by ll'IE!mbE!Y'S 011 th:is sidE! is the Fact Lh~t one would have ~o point out the flip-flop with regard to the point system that l.he m:inJster· is so famous for in th ·i.s Pr·ovincr~ r··i.ght now, so vc;!r'y famous for.

He came into a department that had a well-established and well-announced policy of a point syst·.(,~rn t.hi:\ ·1·.: IAJas suppor·l ... c~d dnd recommended and so on by all of 1:: h (,~ s d F (~ 1·. y g In 0 u p :; .i n 1.: h i. :; Pr·ovinc(~, · t.hc~ N('!IAJfoundland Safety Counctll tho Nc·:!l)~Jf.oundl.Hnd Motorcyc]R Federation, and every o t: h c-:H' g r· o 1.1 p ·i. n ·1:1"1 H P r o wi. n u~ C(HI(;('!I"I "iEld I!Jj l h Sdf0.1t"y and IAJ:i th pf:!oplt:' cil"i .l)i.nq on Lhc:! hi.gF11~J"'Y l·.hdl' l"('!cd 1y, r..tt :.om(~ po:int:, should bt:' IAHH:! d e d () u L ' nw p 0 i. n t :; y ~; 1: r;! rn I~Jt'o\ :; welcomed as a marvellous device to llldkE~ l.:hc:.! lnodcls of l:.h·is Pr'Ol)·i .ncr:! ~;afEH', This lAms dll dom~ by thE;! prE:vious M J n i. s i ... r:: r' o F T r' a n ~; p o r L fo\ 1:: ·i. o n , w h o "i. s a gor,tJ.c;!TTidl"l IAJho ts conCE!l"l'lE!d about ~; a F ('! t: y a l'l d r' E~ g u J. a t. i. o n s i. n l':. hi ~; Pl"ovJncE!. 1..2383 May 26, 1988 Vol XI. comes in and immediately decided - AN HON.

MEMBEr~: (Tnaud:ibh~). MR. BAKER: 0 h , T 1.1 n d C! r' s 1·."' n c1 . T h ('! rwi. n ·i, s '1'.: (H' h:: listening. I know he is hiding i'·\IA~<'1Y bt:~h:i.nd U-w Pr'E!:;:i.dunl:: oF l:: hc;o Council, but I understand he is J. ·j_ !) l'. (! l'l :i, 1'1 9 , 1: k l'l (JIAI 1':. h t't 1: . MR. TULK: l·lo 'i.!; gol·.l : -i.ng h 'i.s i.nsl:.r·1 .1CI'.ions. Ml~. BAI<F.R: He is getting hJs instrucLJons fr·om h ·i.1n. Tha 1'. ·i :; pr·obably rnol"e l:ike it. The member from Fogo s ;:-, y s h o j s g ~1 L: 1:: ·i. n q h i s instructions from hirn.

This ministE:r corrll':1s along and, being r:\ l'lE!IAl br'OOITI and SI~IE:!E!pJ.ng clean, he decides, for sorne r()i:\son, l::hi'lt: t·:ho po·i.nt. syst.t:!ln has to go, that this ProvinCE! should not be subjected to t:his point: system, and, for no r'E!ason clt alJ., s (H)rn:i. ng l.y, the m:i. n .i s t:E:H' c i:Hl c 'd s the whole programme. We wonder what the real reasons wc~rc'•. T do nol: knotAJ t r .l::ht::! minister is getting f.HlY po1t \'.::iced r. r~ () d b a c: k .

T d () k n 0 I~J L h 0 l'fl t n ·:i. s t: <:! r' has disdppointE!d a lol:. of' f)(Wpl~0 ! f'lnd d lot··. of pnoplo r:'tr'O ciJSII'I6\y(:!r.:J by t:hi.s f1tp·-flop. Th~)y do not kno1~1 l•lhy -1-:hr;! 1rri.n i :; l.or' cancc'!ll E:•d the point sy~;t(~TTI, · a po :i nt syst.em l:ha ·L I~Jd:;, d:; i ".IH~ 1110111ber 17 01"' iJUI"qE~o -·Bay d 1 Espo-:i.r' (MI" , Cj,J.bE!I"t:) sa·.:Lcl, lm:!lCOIIIPci by i:-\ll pi.H'i'i.C:!S "i. n i':he HoUSE!' by clll sides or LhE!

HoUS·E!. :3 0 I~H~ ()H' 0 (:11'1 X 'i.O 1.1 S 1: 0 h EO! i:H' S 0 rn E! proper explanaLio11 from the IJI-i.n'Lsl".~:! l" as i:o IAJhy thL~; par'i': "i.cular' programme was canceJ.J.ed. I IAJouJ.d like to po:i. nt nr'i. n .i s 1: e r· i · h a t 1.: h EH' e things that: makE! thE! No . t.j.lf. out t:o thE• a I" Cc' rnc;t n y hJ~~hiAJays of r~2383

t-.1 d. :. P 1'' o v i n c c~ d a n g ~~ r o u s , 1-:lri.ng~;, T. suppo~;o, t·.h.~l-. l-l~i ghtAJdY Tl"affic ()ct cannot: IAd. ·J·.h o:l.l'lrl

An Act·. f~E:~l;:-11·.-i.ng To U ~; ~~ A n d 0 p G:~ r iil t :i o n O:F V c,1 h :i c 1 ~~ s . many The~ deaJ. rh~~ One of t·: he mr.d or pr·oblems, I tAJould FH) "i. n t. o 1.1 1-. 1-. o t: 1·1 (! m-:i. n --i. s 1.: EH' , i:Hl d T. ~m sure he understands this, is [:_h(;! r•u t.l·.:-.-i. ng of h'ig hiAJay S dCt'OS S l::h~;!

Province, areas of the Tr·ans-Canada fhghiAJay tha l: I.•Jh~Hl !:here is any rain at all bE!COrne n J.g h t m a r· c,~ s to d r· "i. lH~ o n , r· ·i. v c~ r s - I"Unn:ing down the middlE! of thE! roads, So !::his k.ind of a_ SiJ\f·c;!t.y hazard _, this kind of cl hazard to cl r· i v in g , I IA.JO u l. d s u g g e s 1:: to Uw minister·, should be E!radicatE!Cl as quickly as poss"i.blo, this particular hazard. I k n OIAI 1.: h ,:·1 I~ t h c;! I" r~ ·.:i. ~; !; 01fl<,~ constl"uc-t-:·.ion undo1"way nOIAJ in an dl"ei'~1 or l:hf:1 Pr'Ol) i.J'lCC'! I~Jh(!I"O 1-.:hi.:; problem is severe.

But I would l. ·ikE! 1-.o po t rl'l.: 0111--. l:o !·.he Jrrirl'i.~;l·t:!r' that d]1 OVE~I" [·.he PI"OV:i.nc~~ 1./o.JE:! hi'.lVE! I.: hi~; same~ probl.cw1, Tho 1n-inJ. s l··.er· ·in .:'In ~51.~.H,H' ·i. ng qU(:1St::l Ol'IS dbout h:ighiA.JCIY cons l~_r'llC l.:i.on IAJoul.cl se1y thd 1:. 1~10 only have so rnuch money and WE! can only do so rn1.1c:h. Well., I woul.d sCJ.y to th~~ rnin:is LE!r that our. hlgl'liAJ'-"lY sysb:Hn now in l·.:h·is Pr·ovinct1 is inadequatE!. WE! do not have onough paved roads and we cannot support an·d 1./o.JE! cannot pr·op<H'l.Y maintain <'-tnd kH~:'p the roads we now have.

I n l.: h --L s r· E! g a r d a g a i n , M r· . ~3 p f~ a k rc! r· , l:hrough you to the minister, I woUld llko 1-.:o say the proposal. thi'.lt would seo i'.l twinning of a lot of t.:he::1 Tr·dns -Cdn;;1di:1 l·l·i.qh!AidY acr·oss l~.l1is Pl"ovj_nCE!, a Pl"oposaJ. l~.hat IAJould ~;t:!t:! .:-1 l·.r-c'1do of·F i.n l·_c'!l"lll~:; oF ~ Jot of money For the raJlwi'.ly, has L-_o bt::! done IAJ"i l.:h Ci:<tr'(:! bec-'!LI~>u thH Minister of Transporl~tion 1 •. 2 :1 a,,_ Mdy /.6, l9BB Vo ·1 X I. (Mr. Doyle) mr.~ny timf~S has r· f~ f f:! r· r· o d l: o l: h o p r o b l.

E:! 111 o f t. h c,~ upkeep of L he r o cHl s IAJe now h d IJ e . 'J: !- l:l-1 (·~ rn:i. J'l'-i. ~; t E! t' d 0 US J'l 0 t q II d I" iJ\1'1 l::f:! Cc! t1·1 i'.l t if such a· dE! a J. -.is s t: r· u c k at SOIII(:~[-_ · i . lilf~ "i. n l·.ho l'lHar· rui--.Ul"8, JF such i'.l doal is slruck at any tirno