Volume XL Tuesday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY ·OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT (Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 42 24 May 1988

The House met at 3:00p . m. ~J.L .. 2J.> .. E A ~ E R . ___ U:'} c N J. c h o). a .. ti : Order, pll':!a s e! ThE!re IAiclS onE! t tern I said I IAJould 1. 0 0 k 0 V E! I" clu r ·,i 11 g "l.. he;! IAIE! e;! k ('! n ci , which IJ.Jas t h~: ! mattE!r of lying to the House,' ... ,.hE~ stat:r:~rnonl.: hOI"~:! by the hon. the rnernbE!I" FcH' Bonavtsta ~3 o u L h ( M r· . 1'111 cw g a n ) , 1 M r· .

S p ~~ 1~ k E'! r , I r· :i s E! a g <.·d. n o n a p o "i. n L o f privilege Str, and I will keep ri s ""i. ng Fr·om now u nti 1 lei nqdom cornt:~ . 1 Thc:lt is not an acCE!ptablc,, IAJay l:.o <~1dclr·E:!SS dny mfi:~mbt:'l" of lh.i.s hon. House, and I think it is an abuse of the privileges of all othE!r mE!fnbers. I have looked in detatl at Hansard just to SE!E! exac-tJ.y what thE! han . mernbc:H' said. He dtd on a numbc:•r oF occas:i.ons say that an hon. rnE:Hnbc~r· l.i.od. 11 Mr·' Morgan : rhe E!VidE!I1CE! shows he J.J.ed .

ThE! evidc~nce shows it. 11 The hon. mernbE!r agatn rE!peat.s, 11 ThE! evidenCE! sho11.1S it. Th~::~ evidence is cJ.E!ar. The rnan J.iE!d to the House. 11 I nol.:e here that·:. I said, 11 The hon. TTIE!rnber c:lE!arly has said now tha t a member lied to the House:~. I ask him no1J.J to IAJithdraw t:ha l. II rhe hol'l' l:he lll(''llibC:!r' I"OI" Bonav -L s l:. a South, 11 MI". Speai<EH', no, Sil", I cli.d not s<.•1Y l:haL.

I satcl the ~::w :idE!I'lCE! :in this House today, in dc;!bi:<~l::E!, sho1~1s l:hal Lhe llli:·1n li.<;!d Lo th~::~ Housli:~. ~3ornebody l:i.E!d l:o the;! liou ~; <;!. 11 NOIAJ, !::his Look up an a1J.Jful long tirn<,~ oF l:hE! HOUSE! and 1 think 1 lA I t'l s IAI r· o n g l n n o t c u t L J. n g t l: rn u c h s horter at the tirne. Th"!l1 LhE! finc::t1 S l:.at:E!InE:!nt by the hon . the rn E! rnb E! r for Bonav:i.sta Sout.h HE! saoi.d, II I stand by ·that SOTriE! body J. i E! d t.o thE! fiOUSE'!

L2237 May 2 4-, 1.9 a 8 Vo1 XL of ASSEHnbly today, And thc,Hl hE! gOE!S on, s a y i n g a rn E:Hn b e r 1 i E! d , 1 i E! d L o l: he HousE! . 11 somebody! 11 11 I IAr.i t:hdraiAJ but. sornE!body NOIAI, that is not a vE:!Y'Y sa L ""i. s r~ <:1 c 1.: 0 I" y lAd l.: h cl r· diAl a 1 but i l:. J s one that: I accept. Statements by Ministers PREMIER PECKFORD : ··--·-·---- ·---·--......... - Mr. SpeakE!r. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Pl"~:!rn:i.er . PREMIER PECKFORD: -- ---- ·----Mr. Speai<E:!I", I beliE'!VH :i.t is urgE!I1tly I1E!CE!SSf.'H'Y to addt"E•S S th·i s Hon. HoUSl':! on a rnat·. t:E!I" of gr ec~t importancE!.

It has bE!E!I'l s1.199E!S LE!d for· s e V(!raJ days 11CIIJ.J that thi s Cover·nrnent iind Newfoundland Enviroponics Lirntted have beE!I'l E!ngagE!d in sorne SOI"t of insidious pJot to take over Maroil~.ime cucum~H:!r mi~rkE!tS Lhrough a syste!rnatic dumping Ed,.for·t a:.L111t:•d al bankrupting the Marit:irne greenhouse industry. Mr· . SpoakE:'Y', thE!rl;! -.is not nOIAJ nol" ha s t h <'! I"E! E:!VE:!r b t:!l::!n a ny ~; uch p 1 an . Such a p 1 an IAJO u 1 cl bE' totally inconsis l: ent wil::h the poJ.i.cy positions oF thJs Co v E! I" n rn ('! n t I}J h .i. c h h a v E! b r,1 E! n l:. o strE!ngt.hE!n th~:!

Fr'E!E! flow oF goods and sE·r·v:icE:!S bel:.I).J(!f:!n Pr·ov:i.nct::! S in a fa:l r and opE!l1 rnanner. Newfoundland Enviropon :i cs has absolutely no intention of unfail"ly cornpE!l :.-.l.ng :in any mc~rke tpJ.aCE! . Ind E! E!d, thE:! fac Ls are just the oppos t te. NE!IJ.Jf o u ndJ. and Enviroponics en t:er'E!d l:. h(-:> l'-1a I" j t·. :i I fiE! rna r· k c~ t p 1 "~ c r'! on a fa :i r· and r' E!asonabJ.e bel s :i. s It is No. t~2 R2237

probably the most cost-efficient produc1:•r tn Canr.1di'1 l·odr1Y <Hld lAIC:! make no apologies for that. As IAI(;!ll, il.: is pr·od1.1cing pr·oduct·. l'.hi'll:. is herbicide and pesticide free and is of the highest possible quaJ.ity. We make no cApologiPs for this eil.:her . Newfoundland Enviroponics can and wj].J. cornpE~tE~ on that basis. The fact, Mr. Speakc:H', is that Newfoundland E nv i ro poni c s has done noth:i .ng IAJr'Ong. It:. is no 1: a case of GovEH'nffiE!nt. subsidy compE!ting with private enterprise.

Newfoundland Enviroponics is financed on a businc;!~;s-l:ikE! basis and wiLl have to pay its own way. It lS no more subsidized by GovE~rnment than ar'E! greE!nhouSE! grOIAJE!rS or, for· l.:hat rni:tt.lE!In, any other agricultural. producer in thj.s countr·y. Agc:·\i.n, Mr·. ·SpE!i.'lkE=!r', IAJe must cons:i.dE!r the Fcu:ts. In an ini'.E:~r·v:i(:!IAJ publ.'i.~;hed -i.n thE:!

M<:ly 21. edition of The Globe and Mail, the Vice-PresidPnt of Clover Produce in Halifax indicated that he IAIOuld be mcd<ing up l':.ho shortFall caused by cancelling or· d E• r s IAri. 1:. h N E:!IAif 01.1 nell iHld Enviroponics by purchasing from Ontario producers at lower prices. Does this sound like a dump:ing s:ituation or a situal.:Jon in which local Maritime growers ar·e bHing unfairly cornpE!tE!d IAri th? The answer is clearly no. Mr. Speaker, I feel it is .irnpor·tant that the rc-:'!cord be,~ set s t t' a :i g h t on t h :1. s issue .

I wo u J. d l.i.I<E! to quote fr·om Hansar·d of Mr.1y 20 and thE! statE!InE!I'll:. of the han. the Minister of Rural, Agricultural and Northern DE:~VE!l.oprnc;!nt: "Mr·. SpE!C.'tkE!r, gover'nlTIEHlt' s Not•Jf ou nd 1 and in t:ention to :i.L is not. tho intention, or Env:ir·opon.i c 1 :; deliberately put l..2238 May 2l~, 19B8 Vol XI. anybody out of business. It is not our deliberato inl.:ent:ion to dump so that we can up prices i:\ fton~Jard s . T 1: is our· cl E:! 1. i be r·a t.e intE!ntion l:.o bE!

VE!Y'y, VE'!r.Y aqgrE!SS:ive i.n Lhe IT1ar·kc;!tplaco c:and -to rnakE! sur'E! ·that we are thE!Y'E! in a pr·icE~ compE!l.:itiVE! s:i.l:.udt:ion.'' StiJ.l quoting l:hE! min:i .StE!r ': 11 We are not qo:ing l:o br::! con1pE! t.i l:.:l.ve in a q u a 1 i t: y s :i. +:. u a t. i o n b E! c a u s (;! n o b o d y can compete with us on qual:ity. There is nobody who produces a cucumber J.:ike 1).1!':1 do, that ·.1s herbicide and pestjcide free, paci<E:!d frc~sh ctnd get·.s to l::l·113 markE!t as quickly as ours can.

On quality we have no concerns at all because we are going to be the be s l.: by r=- a r j, n thE:' rncH' k t'! 1: p 1 acE! . 11 Still quol:ing thE! rn:l.n:islE!r: 11 WhE!I1 11·: coJnE~s t.o pr·:ice, IAIE:! ar'C'! <jo:.i.ng t:o cornpei:E! in any rnar·bd·.plC!CE! IAJE' c h o o s (;! 1.: o b 1:! i. n a n d lA I H bl r· t'! q o ·.i n g l:o do · VE!ry, vor·y IAJE!J.l i.n I'.. hoSE:! m<H'k<'! Lplr:lcc;!:>." T h <.~ 1.: 'i. s IAJ h f'l t: 1.: he M-l n i. s 1.: C'! r· s a j d on May 20. Mr.

SpeakE!Y', notw:i.thstc<ndi.ng IAJhaL .[have j11sl si:\:icl, :in LhE:! rn:in.isl'.:(~r· clearly articulating government policy, if UH!!r'E'! ha~: beon a rn:isunderstanding creatE!d 'l:h1nough c! misinterpretation of l.:he han. minister's comments, I feel compelled lo apologize. My apologies go to thE! local Maritime gr•oJAJE:H'S, to t:hE:~ gover'niTic;!nts or:: our sistE!r prov:i.nCE!S, to thE! consuming public, ,:-:~nd, per·haps 1110sl :i. Ill p 0 r· t a n t. ]. y I t (J t li E! E! rn p 1 (I y E! \:! s (J r· Newfoundland Enviropon:ics. They arE! do:i.ng thEd.r bE!St. La crE!ai'.:E! a SUCCE!SSfuJ.

E:!l1t!':H'PY'iSE!. r h :i. s q o v E:! r· n rn e n t: IAJ j 11 b (;• rna k :i n q appr·opr:i.a'I:E! contacts ovE•r' tho nex t: ciC:·1Y or· i'.:IAIO IAI 'i.l:h nHoighbour .·.i.nq ~J o v E! r nrn e n L s a n d o t h e r s t o 1" e a s s u r e l:. h(:!rn on i.hQse poj.nLs and l::o hopefully repai.r sorne of l.:he No. 11-2 ·R 2 2 3 a

damage which has been done. Mr. SpE!akE!r, thE!rE! are a numbE!r of other reJ.ated rn:i.sconcept:ions about this project and the occurrences of the past few days which need to br:~ clearE!d up. First of all, Newfoundland Env:ir'oponics has not":, as I sl:EI'l::E!d earlier, been dumping produce on the Nova Scotia market:. Any suggE!Sti.on to th(;! contrary is tot·.ally tAJ.il::hout FoundRL -i.on. Newfoundland Enviroponics has not s o 1 d p r' o d u c P o u L s "i. d n o f 1:. h .. i. s Province at any time at a price lotAJC'!r LhiHl -i, t. lAJi~s then o·FFc=!r'"Lng 1:-.o its local customers.

Second, t.hE~rE! has bEH!l1 discussion about srnal1er' cucumber's br::! .. i.ng produced by Newfoundland Enviroponics. For Lhe record, Newfoundland Enviroponics is currently producing a variety of grades of cucumbers to cater to thr:~ preferenc(.~S of its cus tOITIE!r's. These different grades are characterized by different sizes and ar'E! packaged and dE!signatE!d as such. The diffE!r'E!nl: siZE!S oF product command different prices.

To put. it sirnp1y, NetAJfoundland Enviroponics sells the smaller cucurnbE!r's fat~ lc'!SS than t.he l.dr'9E'!r' ones and of course this is r'E:!flE!Cl.:E!d l·.:o f:l dE!gr'oo tn Lho ultirnal~e rE!tatJ. pr'iCE!. It must bE! reil.:erated, however, Lhat lhe t"c~'Lailer' contr-oJ.s th"'~ FinaJ. pr-ice d n d l:. h EH' c;d::-0 r' E!

"i. l:. i s d 'i:F' i7 t C l.l l. l:. 1'. o rnakE! gr:Hwra1izi:ltions about pr-:icing iss liE:! s. fh:ir'd, it has bE~E:!n sugqr'.!SLf'!d l:.hat Newfoundland Enviroponics is marketing it.s produce at pricGs significantly less l:han its CO!> ts. fh-i.!> appE!C\r'!> l:.O !:; l:.etTI F't"Olrt inforrnaU .on t~E!l(:!ased some t:irrtE! ago which suggested Lhat al.: ouLput leveJ.s in thE! ordE!r of SE!VE!n L2239 . May 24, 1.988 Vol XL million pounds annually, Ne~~oundland Enviroponics would rE!quire aVE!ragE! prj_ces in ·l:l'w order of $1.08 per pound to be viablE!.

ThE! sug~JE!St:ion SE!E!rn~; to be that if Newfoundland Enviroponics SE!J.J.s i'l.t pr':i.CE!S lotAJet" than $1.08 per pound it is dumping. Again th:i.s :i.s simply not. the case. To begin with, Lhe $1.08 was c1early an average pr-Lce. L'll"'~ <.·lr'E! onl:.E!t"ing l:.he season of the year when pr:i.ces in produce tncH'kC'! L!; IAJ:i.ll be at. Lheir lotAJE!S l.:.

Clearly Newfoundland Enviroponics h~s to compete in these produce rnar'kE!t.S and priCE! :is CE!l~ta:in1y a pr-:i.trti:·li"Y cr'i.I-.C:!t""i.f.l. 11:. al~~o has l'.:o be r'(,'rriE!rnberE!d that Ne!ArFound] and Fnviropon'i.c~; hc'1S l:.o bt"E'!ak :inl:o nC:!L\J markets. II:: is acCE:!ptE!cl bus:it·ws~; pr'acl:.icE~ Lo or::rE!r ~:;c)tl'IE'! pt"iCE! incentives to establish new pt"oduc l7.S. Is l.:his clunp·inq? I thi.nk not. I would also add t.hat: the $1.08 Figure was preliminary and pt~E!fn].SE!d on an annLll'll output·. of 7 lTtiJ.l'.ion pounds.

NetAJfounclland Enviroponics is currentJ.y producing aL r-ates tAJirich arE! far in excE!SS of our Ol":1gj ,nal pr-oj r:~ctions. Th:i.s a l.lotAJS NetAJfoundland Env] .ropon:i.cs as cHl ox t r' E:~ mE~ 1 y E! F F i c:i. on L , l ot.u ·-cos t: producer, to chargE! J OIAJE!r pt":i.CE!S bE'!Cau~;C'! our voJurnlc!S ar-e up. rht:! $1.08 figurE! has abso1utely no relevence tn this type of E:~nvironmEHlt, ther~:!fore. Mr. Speaker, tllE'!ll'lbl:!rS l'l('!C!cl s:ituat:i.on.

I th:i.nk all hon. to t"E:!·r:l.ccL on l':.h.ts My administration believes l:.hal this venture can succE!ed but Jt has to be ~Jiven a c h a n c E'! t o ~; u c c e (;! d . 1 t h ,., s L o b c.:. given a chance to opE!r'atE! IAJit:hout. ~ts every business Lransact:ion being subjected l:o microscopic s cr'ui:.:iny by LhE! tned:ia and l.n Ll·ti.s hon. House. Newfoundland En v .. i r' o p on j _ c s rna r k E! t p J. aCE! ; No. 1~2 has l::o cotTtpE:!l:E:! in l:he it can and H·. w:.i.lJ. 1~2 23 9

HotAJC,1VE!I", t..o.H~ ar'C::1 subjecting this busirH~ss to unb~ ni:,bl~;:: pr'E!S~>t.lr'(~ S t.uh:ich sc;!VE:!I"\;'ly harnpE!r its ab:.Llity l:o comp~~L:e. It.~; suppl:ic;!r's, :i.Ls customers and its potential customers ~re constanl'.ly being harassed. It makes it difficult to bE:! a sup p 1 i E! I" or c us l.: o ITIC'! r' oF Net.ufoundland Enviroponics b(,!CaUSE! of l·:he al:.l:~:!n 'l:. i. on onC'! gets. This is patEHltJ.y unfair·. Mr. Sprung himselF hr)S beE!n call~~d d crook, c' liar, and a chE!at.

I haVE! found him to be an honourable, hard-working man, who has perfected a technology significantly ah~~ad of anything else in the hor-ticultural world today. Tirne will prove this to bE! correct. My adlrt:ini .slr'dL:ion hr)S t:ai<E:!n ~'' grE!at dE!al of criticism ovE:!r our ciE!Cision to invc;! s t publtc funds .i.n l:ITiS pi"Oject and ovel" thE! so·-callE:!d SE!CI"E'!CY IAJhtch sur·r·ouncls it. During rny nine YE!iH'S as PrE!Inic;!r' of Lhis Pr-ovi.nCE! I cc:U1 recall no other government decision about which rnor e infol"rnal ·:ion has bE!e1·1 rnadE! available to the public.

Some, hotAJever, tArill not be satisfied until we totally destroy the ability of Newfoundland Envil"opon:ics l:o competH in Lhe rna r' k E! t p 1 ace . Mr. Speaker, government has therE!forE! decidE!d that we will make no further cornrnent on day-to-day operationaJ and marketing decisions of N e 1.1.1f o u n d land En v :i. r o p on i c s . A Board of Directors is in place and it has our confidence. We will of cou1"se continu~:! t:o rr:q:>or·t. to this hon.

HOUSE! and to the pE!OplE! of Lhe Province on a regular basi s on Factual o c curences such a s product: :ion lE!VE1ls and financ.idl per·For·rnancE•, but we ar E:! going t:o qiVE! I:. he rndnagelnE:!n t·. o ·f 1..2240 May 24, 1988 Vol XL Newfoundland Enviroponics the o p p o Int. u n -.i. t y l:. o r' 1.1 n +.: h i ~; b u ~ ; :i. n e s s as any othE!r and an opportunity to COITIPC"!l.:E! on C." f;:~""i.in c:·,nd E:!VOn bds"is in the marketplace.

My adrn i nj.stratton takE! ~; fuJ .l r' (! s pon s :i b ·.i J. .i. t: y For t. h E:! dE~ c ::i. s i o n +: o invest public funds in Lh is pr·oj~~ct, ju s t as 1~.1e hc.~vE: ! clone in numerous other bu s iness E!nl:e:1rpr·tses :in l:.h:is Pr·ov:i.nCE!. My administration will also answer criticism directed at this decision. HoweVE!r', 1 :irnplor'E! th:is hon. Hou SE! and rnernb <:!r·s of t:hr::! rn e d i a t o f o c u s t h Ed r c r i t. i c :i. s rn s o n the government and to allow Newfoundland Enviroponic s a fair c ha1·1 CC:! to s u c c E~ od.

I IAJOU ld r · E ~ m i nd han. rn~'!Hib E!rS that t:hE•re ar E:! 200 peopJ.e:: E~rnployHd i n f="ul1- t.i111c:! job~~ at Newfoundland Enviroponics; p\;1opli':! IAJhO IAJOUJ.ci be l.ll'lt::!i'rlpJ.oyocl were it not for this projecL; - p~~opln IAJho IAJ -.i. ll. be un f:!lnployto!cl agdin if it fai1s. SurE!ly IAJE! OIAJE! l.:horn l::he oppor·tunj . l..y l":. o mak E:! Lh ·.i "~ ptnoject a S UCCE!SS. ThE!Y IAr.i.J]. Lak E! n o p o l J t "i. c a l. s cl l.: :l ~; f C'l c l i. o n r r· o 1 n i. t s failur·e . Thank you, Mr· . SpeakE!r . SOME HON. MEMBERS: i·l~~c.'ir, hoar! MR. SPEAKER : The:~ hon. l .. h E!

Oppos i bon . MR. WELLS : of l: hE! jvir'. Spoakc ;!r, I '·''rn pJ.r::!dSE!d :ind c:!ed with the Prernier 1 s s t atement today. I commend him for Lhe statE!rnent . 1 arn sorTy I d::l.d no l:. have it in suff:icient t i me to prepare a Full response, and I lA I :i. 1.1 p Y' 0 b i'' b J. y i S ~; 1.1 ('• c:\ Ill 0 I" E! f lJ 1 J. response at a later point. I am pJ.eaSE!d, r<:·a11y , fol " liAJO In~:! as o 1'1 s : Per' hi'' p s I. h \'! I~ ·i r· ~; 1: d n cl No. 42 R 2 2 fl.()

primary reason is the fact that it is an impossiblE! position for us to be:~ in, tAJI'HH'~~ tAle ap~H:~ar t.o be bitt E! r l y com p E! U n g wJ t h our s i s t e r Atlantic Provinces, with the government of one province appearing to have the stated intel'l'l:ion of dd.ving pr·oduCE!rS in another· province out of production. We would resent any e f f o I" t b y No v a S c o l:. J i'.\ o r N c;HAI Brunswick or anybody else aimed at pr·oduCE!r's :in this Province, iHld I am de:~J.igh'lE!d to hE!aln the rE!Sponse oF the Pr·~:!m:-i.C'!Y' t:hdt makE!S 'it cl Oi'\r that that is not the policy of this Provi.ncE~.

T c:tm pl.C'!aSc;!d Lo heal" it. That is one rE!CISCHl. ThE~ SC'!COnd r·c~c:·lson -i.s, of cour·~;(~, t.hat fol1otAr.ing t:hclt statc;!d policy tAJO u 1 cl , "L n f d c t , I bel i (~ lJ t'! , constitute a criminal offense under the provisions of The Corupt:~ttl·:ion ~ct, and clE!arly nobody in this government should be involved with basing government policy on actions that constit:.ute criminal ofFE!nSE!S. So WE! accept t.he apology that I think has bE!I':~n grad.ously offered by thE! PrE!TniE!r :in the circumstances, i.Hld I th'ink all members of this House ought to accept that apology. Mr.

Speaker, the fact is th'is thing has become extremely political and· I supposE'! t:h~·\ t. is why the issue got derailed. As this side of Lhe House becomes crit'ical oF governmont position in l:: h r:! met t:.l:.e~ r· d ncl e·t L h c:! r I:'. he Pr·orn-i. e r o r· t h E'! m i n i s t e r· c o n c E! r n E! d r·esponds, posJt.i.ons ti.ghl:c'!l'l c:~nd positions get taken and stated l:.hdl pE!rhaps on rnor'f' lrti'll:.LII"O I"C-:lflEH:U.on tAJould not: bE~ stated.

And -1:-.o g"Lvn l:.he hon. m:i.ni .s i.:E:!r' ft.lll CI"C::~d:i · t, I doubt: Vt:!I"Y much lAJhC;!thE!Y' he;! ('!V(i!l" tnt.encled l:.o sl:.al.:~:· '.i.n any rna nrw I" that t 1·1 Fct we1 s thE! p o J. :icy oF l:. he go v E! r· n rne n t . ::; o I q :i

l) e him f u J.l c I" E' d :i t For· i t . 8 u t lAJ(! do , L224-l May 24-, 19B8 Vol XL Mr. Speaker, have a serious situation in the ProvinCE!, cu; fa1n as the operation of the Sprung facility is concerned, that the Opposition will continue to addrE!SS rE!Sponsib1y. On l:l·w bE:!~d .. of tl·ie .infor·1nat:.:ion !:hat·. tAlE! hav1c! available to us, and I am the fi.r·sl: l::o Hd1n:i.t t:hal:. it.: . i.s not perfE!Ct infor·rnat:ion, I do no!': put: it forward as absolutely porfoct informat:i.on, but on thE! basis of' the,~ bes l:. infor'lnati.on Hvailablr::! l:.o u s , i t s c::~ E!

ITI s v E! r y c 1 E! tH' t h a ·t. U1 E' cost of producl:.ion at that f' a c i l i t y rn u s l: b t'! s crrn ~:! tAJ h E' r· E! :.i. n excoss of $1.25 per pound. Now, maybE! that is :in E!rTor· bOCi.·\l,lSE! lAI(i' cio not. hi'lV(;! fuJJ. information. I arn propared to acknotAJlodgf'! thc·\t Lhut"e lrt.i.ghL br:• SOITII':~ doubt ther·e, unless i:Hld unl::il lAH~ d r' 0 p I" 0 V ·i. ci 0 d lAI'.i t h l:: h C::! f~ I j ] J. information.

But lAJE! cr.n1 only opE!rr.l't.E! on the,, bas:is of what: is availablE!, and on l:hat basts tAJ(! cannot see any justification for having those cucumbers sold in circumstancr::'S tAJhc;!re thi':~Y could be dE!1iVE!rE!d at a lAJho1esa1E! p1n:i. ce l .. hat. u.Jou1d enabl(~ the111 to bE! sol.d :1 n No v a S c o t :i. a o n a I" Ed: a i 1 b cl s :L s a t f i ·f t y -n :i 11 e c E! n t ~; tAl h <::! n t h <::' y LAJ e r e one dol1ar and Hd rty-· .. ninE!, or one d o 1 J. a r' a n d n :.L n E'! t.

Ei! e n , o r· o n E'! d o l 1 a r· a n d ·f if t y -- n i 11 E! , u.J hatE! v E! r t hey lA.I e r· e bE:!ing mar·kt'~ t·.(:!d ·fol" :in NE!tAJfounciJ.and at thE! t·.irnE!. Clearly, clead.y il:. croates a situation that invites severE! cr:i.U cistn, and that is r,~xactly lAJhal: happt'!nf'!cl .i.n Lh:.i.s particular instance. Mr·. SpE:'akE:'I~, I cornt11end thE:• g o v o r n m o n 1:. o n o n n o l.: h E! 1n . p i)\ r' l': . .i. c 1.1 l a r' stcltern('!nl in this. IL J. s on pe:1gE:· s . rho P 1~ rw1 "L C! r· r· e ad : 1 ~~ r· .

Spec~kE!In, Gover'niTIE!nl:: ha~; l:.hel"l"!FOI"Ei! dl:i!Ciclod l.:hi"tl:. tAle tAii'll. rni'tku no FurthE!r cornniE!nl: on clt::~y· .. ·lo --day operational and markoting docis'ions of Newfoundland No. 1~2 R224-1

Enviroponics. A Board of D:irr,,ctors ·.i!; Ln pldC('! c~nd Jt has our confidE:HlCe.' I find it quJtE! unusual for spokesmen for a gov<-?.rnrnE!nl:, l.o~Jh~~t:hE!r it is a minister or tho Premier, to be rn i:l k i n g a n no u n c E~ n 1 Co~ n t s J n t: 1·1 (:~ 1-1 o u ~; E! of ()ss~~mbl.y, or' i. n i'l public rni.Hli'HH' af any toi.me, <HI Lhe day ---to-day business operations of such an enterprise, even though Lhe gov~:!rntn(~nl: doE:!S hi:<~VE~ <:l ':JO Pl'!r cent shareholding interest in it. I l:h.ink that: :is pr-obi:~bl.y ct st~ns:iblc~ approach. But, Mr.

SpE!akE!r, we will not refrain from ensuring that the government account pol'it:.ica1ly Lo UH:~ peopl.e o·F t.hts Province for their decision to comrrd.t at least $15 million of public funds to Lhat venture in light of ·Facts t.hat. indicatE! clearly that there is no sane, sensible commercial basis for it on thii:1 b~1se of tAJh-.ich i.t is bEd. ng oper-ab~d no1.o~.1. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . SOME HON. MEMBERS: I-IE~c'lr, hE!aln! MR. F f::NWTCK: Min. ~)pC;!ake1". MR. SPFAl<ER: The hon. l:hC'! rn~~inbc'!r for' Men"i.h(:!k . Ml~. FENWTCK: Tl;i'i'Hl k y ou~-Mr'. Sp~:!a k e r.

Just to cori"E! c l: thE! st·~atE!ITiont, he:::1 ~ ; ay~; on page thr'ee, 1 ThEH'E! has bE!~~n a rn:isundE!rst.and:i ng created through a misi.nterpretation of the han. Minister's comments, I Feel compt::~J.lE!d to apolog:iZE!.' I think oil.: is cor'r'r:~ct t.hal': hl':~ should apologize, because clearly s om(:' t h .i. n g tAJ E! n l': tAl r' o n g t. hE! r' e . B u L I do not think i.t is a misinterpretation that occurred . 1.2242 May 24, 1988 Vol XL The statements !AlE~rE! not rnade in the House anyt"i.me during the week.

The statements that were L h c;! d arnE·\ g "i n q s t: c:l l: l':~ rnE:• n l.: s tAJE! r' E'! rn;:;t d ''' by thE! rninistE!r' to l:hE! medJa l.o~Jhen h c~ :; ;~ .L d T I;.J '.'i 11. p ~~ 1" ,:~ p h r' a s "' bE:'cauSE! I do nol': havt:! th~:! C'!Xact: IAJOrds It "i.s a tAJeJ.l l:hought. - out. plan. ThE! dE!Si.gn Js Lo s~:!J.l them eli: l:hr:~t p1"i . cc,~. i:\ncl i·. hr~ r'E!i:'!Son For' that would be to eliminate some of the competil.:ion in Nova Scotia and thE!rr ra:iSE! t:hE! priCE! at a J.at:.e1" di.·\ te. Mr. SpE'!i!lk~:!r, t:hi:~t is l::hE!

COITirn~:!nl:: that: cauSE!d thE! prob1E!rn, not ·Uw comments l:.hc,~ rnin.is l:er' made :in t:he House, bE! CausE! thosE• WE'1"E! reasonable comments that were supportable and were reasonable jn t E! r' m s o r l: r y i n g t o g E! t: i n 1:. o a mar'kE!tplaCE!, So IAJhE~n ·Uw P1nE!ITiiE!r apologi.ZE!S For' l:h~:!

COilllflE!nt:.s, T a111 assuming thc~t hE! is apologJ.z:in~J f 0 I" tho S B IAJh·J C h IAJE! 1" t::! l.: hE! d arnag i ng ones; those WEH~r::! the ones thc\l ·: Lhe Ministers of Agricull::ure in Nova Scotia and NE:~IAJ B1"UnsiAJick took '~xcc;!pti.on to, dncl qttoite r''.'i.ght.J.y took exception to. q1toi.l.:r. fr'c\rlkly, T ask(:~cJ thlo~ Mintster of Agricul turE• on Fl":i.day mo1"n:i.ng to conf"i.l"tn t.o~Jhr::!th,,!r' or' nol:. his comments oF the previous E! von i. n g tAlE'! r' n a c cuI" a 1'.: o , b ~'! c au s r,) I realized, and I think everybody r'!l.S(c~ did, hot.o~J damag.i . ng l .. hE:!IJ could bE!, At that U.rnE!, the rrLini . st.~: ·r d "i. d n o 1:: f.\ p o 1 o g ·i L E!

F 0 r' 1:: h E:' cornlTlE!nts, IAJhich is r'E!al1y tAJhat shou1d hi'\Ve been done at LhE! t :irne, bE!CaUSE! WE! 1101..11 haVE! had thrE~E:! 01" Four days in which considerably rnore damagE! hcts b.E!E!n donE! to the op(;!r'at.i.on. I think everybody knows that I r'CS(!r'vaLions on Mr. SpeakE!r' . No. 42 i.n have Lhis Lh:i.s l·lous('! s~ : !r'ious oper-aL:ion,

The fact oF t:he::~ rnatb:~r .i~;. Mr. SpeakEH', I think it is irnpor'tant that the operation be given the best poss:ible opportunity t.:o show whether or not it can perform and, on that basis, the slate!rnE!I'lts by t:h~~ rnin:ist:E!r lAJE:'re so J.nflarnrnatory and cauSE!d so much damagE• to thE! orderly marketing of the produce hE!re that the PrE!rniEH' has notAl had to apologize for them. PE!rsonally, I do not bE!liE!VE! that that: -.is enough. MR. SPEAI<E~E_ : Ol"der, plr::'!ase! MR. FFN~HCI<: I absolul·.oly, cettE!gor'-Lcr:lJ.l.y believe that it is up to the rn i. n i. s 1·.·.

E' r no tAl 1. o I"('! s -:i. g n h "i. s po~~ition :in or·dE~I" to put. a dE!gi"E!(;! of cr0dibility in the apology that we just h\~!iH'd today ·. Without t.hat, hOlAI Cdl'l lAIC::! to be acceptc,~d pr·ov·i.nc(;!~;? E~xpoc I· l':.h(:! in t~he• SOME HON. MEMBERS: Sit down! Sit down! MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Before recognizing the Min:isl·:E!r of' FinancE!, I to welcome to t:he Excellency Eric hon. IAJould lAIO l"cl othE!r l:: h(,~ J.i kE! His thE! Ambassador' to SIAJ:i t z E! r 1 a n d , and House Lang, Canada Consul f·r·om General P o d.·. :i 1'::' r . SOME HON. MEMBER . .§ : Heal", hE!ar·! MR.

SPFAI<Ef\: ThP hon. i::hE! MJ.ni.s'l.:E!r of· Finance . SOME HOI\J. M[MBFI~S: HC!i'll", hc,ar! Mf~. WINDSor~ : Mr. SpE~akEH', al:: thr::! appropr'iatE: L2243 May 24, 1.988 Vol. XL l':.ime '.it IAiill bo IllY plE~aSI.IY'O 1:0 introduce in this HouSE! todc'ly on bE~hc:J.lF' of rnysc;,J.f and rny hon . colleague, the Minister of' Development, two bills t:o enact the Newfoundland Stock Savings Plan, and thE! VE!ntur(,1 Capj.tal l"c-ix Cl"<;!d:it Pr'Ogl"arnniE!. SOME HON. MEMBERS : H~~ar, hr:~ar! MR.

WINDSOR : ThE!SE! bold nE!IAJ pr·ogrammc!S havo bC!E:!I'l d(,~SignC::!d lo ·:i ii1PI"OVE! l::hE! equ .ity capitaltzr.~tion of cornpan:ie~:; "i.n thE:! Pi"OV"i. ncE!, par·t.icula1"1y small and medium-sizE-d Firms, thereby fac-LJ . .itat~n g sustained economic growth in the Province i'\ n d c r· o i:'l 1: :i. n g n (~ 1.1.1 j o b :; .

Th<~se s<~tJ(;!n yE~dl" pr·ogl"dllllnr:~s, IAJhoich IAJ'iJ.J. bE:' delivered by the DE! p r:\ l"trne n i: () r F i. n <:'! n c E:! i:'l 1'1 cl 1:. h r::• NeiAifoundland and Labrador D (;! v r::! l o p rn (;! n 1.: C o I" p o r· a t. ·i. o n , d r· E! intended to encourage N eiAif o u n d 1 an cl E! r· s to J n v e s l:. d :i r' E! c t 1 y in Newfoundland businesses, thus broadening the public understanding of equity .investments, and encouraging entrE!prE,neuriaJ. tid nU ng and entrepreneurship.

Before gettoing into the details of thE; .. prograrnrnE!S, I lAJould like to take th :i.s oppor·t:un:i ty l::o l:.hank t:hl~ TllE!rnbE!r's of thE! NE!Wfounclland St..ock ~)avings PJ.an Task For"cf:! For l':hHil~ valuable contribution. lhe s u c c f'! s s o f L h :i. s l:. a s k F o r' c (;! E!XE!IrlpJ.if:iE:'S 1..uhat can bt:• ach-:LeVE:!d through active d.iaJ.ogue between the private and public sectors. We,~ hr:·1vr:~ illlpletnenL:ed Lhr:! rE:1COITIInE:!ndations of Lhe Lask foi"C(!! lAJJ.th only vei"Y 1n.-i nor' 1nod.-i. i7 -:i.caL ... i.ons.

In preparing its recommendations l: o q o v e r· n 1 n e n 1·. , l:. h e t: d s !< F o r· c t=! note!(;/ the corrriTIE!nls of l:.hr::! HouSE:! No. '+2 R 2 21~3 ....

Royal Commission on employment and unnmploylnf'!l'l"i: r·E:~gar·dlng t.:hE! problems with investment capital in the Province. T he Royctl Commission stated that not only do NeiAJfoundl.ancl(:!r's hc:-1V('! less rnonny l·o iriVE!St than othe1~ Canadian~; but dl.so thal: L~1ei.r n1ost i.·1CC(~ss'i.bl.(), iHid Tl'IOS'L S() CUl"E', i. l'lV(~S · I~rn EHlt oul:J.nt:s di"C'! l'li:1t'i. onN1 bi.'tl'lk!; and F i n a n c e c o 111 p a n :i o s t h I" o u g h tAl h i c h local Cdp·H:.al f lOIAJS 011!: oF 'l.he P I" o v :i n c E:! .

T h e I~ o y a 1 C o rmn :i s ~d o n fur' t h (;! t" s L: i'1 ·1· (;! d ·1: h a 1: Newfoundlanders would invest more i n '1:. h e i r· o IAI n p r o v i n c (~! i. F :i. '1'. IAI e r· e Financially attractive for them to do so. On(;! of Lh(;! suqg(;!stion~> J.n the report was that the NE!Wf ou nd land Gover' nrn<,1 n t offer· an investment tax credit to persons for ~rm's J.engLh equity 'investments in small bus'i.nE!SSE!S in our· Pr·ov'.'i.nce.

Both Lhe NewFoundland Stock Savings Plan and the Venture Ca pi t.a l Tax C r'E:! cl j _ t P r·o g r' c::tiTim(~ tAri.ll offer residents of the Province tax credits against their Newfoundland personal income tax payable through the co-operation of thc,1 Govc,~r·nrnE~nt of Canada unciE!r the Cdnddcit Nf~tAJFol.tndl.dnd THx Collection Agreement. These tax cr·odi.l:.s 1~1·-i.ll bocolflf) avd:ilabln IAih(;!n t·:axpayr::~l"~' FilE! thoit" 1.9B8 tax r' E! 1.: u r' n s .

De p e n cl i n q o n L h C'! 1'1 a ·t. 1 1 r· o of the corporation issuing a par·t .icular · stock, Lht=.! ral:E! of ·Li'1X credit will range From 10 per cent 1·: o 3 0 p E! r· c r'! n 1: o f 1.·. h E'! .i. n v o s t·. rn t;! n t made in qualifying shares. As an added incentive to i nvest i n certain enterprises under the Newfoundland Stock Savings Plan, and :in venture capitaJ. cor·por·;~t:.i.ons, gover'nlflE!nt. IJ.I'.ill i.~l~~o be providing a cash grant equal to a F u r· t h E' r· 2 0 p E! r' c f:! n 1:. o f a n individual's investment. The i n c E:~ n 1: :i v e r' a l:.

E~ s u n d E! r b o t h L224·4· May 24-, 1 9 8 8 Vol XL programmes will be applied to a cornb:ined rnax:irnurn annual invr::>strnc;!nt pE!r' :invE:,stor of $10,000. f·or thE! 1988 - 89 Fiscal year, we have cornrnitt:E!d $3 m:ilJ.ion fo1" inVE!St:ol" -L n c e n 1:. J v <'! s u n cl ('! r t: I·H'! s (;! p r· o g r· d n 11 n E:! s ; comprised of $2 million 1n tax c r·Ad :i. L~:, dncl"' ft1rther· $'1. rn:ill ·ion in 9l"ant s . Under· thE:!

NE:~tJ.Jfoundland ~~>tock S i:·1 v t n g s P J. an , n r:!l.\1 o q 11 -L 1: y 'is s u (;! ' ' oF c o I" p·o rat :i. o n s w h :i c h h a v o a p n I" rn d n e n t o s '1:. d b l "i. s h rn E! n 1·:. ·i. n l:: h :=.· PnwinCE! and pay at: .IE!ast 2~) pE•l" cent oF the i r total wages and saJ.ar:ies to E!rnpJ.oyeE!S r·e~-;jdE!nt: in N (;HAJ'f o u n d 1. and and Lab r' a cl or· , tAr:i. l l be eligible investments .

These corporations must first apply to government for a certlfJca t e of E!l:ig:ibil:ity, 1AJh-.ic~1 i).J:i.ll bE! gr·anl :. ed if the totaJ. assets of the corporation and any associated corporaLi.ons at Lhe closE! of' 1':11(:! most recent tax year do not exceed $500 miJlion, and provided that l'.:he cor·por·al:.i .on has nol:. been est:abJ.ished primarily for' purpose~; of relend'ing or wide scale investrnE!nt. ThE! typE!S of shar'E!S E!l.:i.g:ib1E:!

For' :i.nVE!S L1neni:. t.inr:lr:!l" Lhe Nf'!IAifouncll. :;tncl Stock Sav'ings Plan will include co11lrnon sha,~us IAJh ·ich i'll"e vor ... ··.i.nq l'lncl non ·-·1" r::~ dee rna b 1 "' , and pI" r'! f E! Y' I" rc.! cl s h 1:·1 I" c:! s IAI h .. i. c h c .~·1 n b ('! c o n v e r' l·. e d 'i. n l:'. o cornrnon shar·c,~s. ThE! shar'('S cdn be E:' '.'i.

L h o r' J. ·i. s t·. f:! cl o n o n E'! o F C a n "' cl a ' s stock E!XChangc;!s, or unlisted but. p 1.1 b l. :i. c 1 y l: I" .:-1 d <'! d . 0 n 1 y n P \Ail y issued shares qualify under the p1i'll'l' Four categoriE!S of cornpan:iE:ls havf:! been identified For the purposes of thE! NetAJfound1and Stock Sav:ings P 1 a n , tAd. t: h 61 n ·i n c E'! n 1:. oi. v f'! I" f~ t.: €~ str·uct:ui~E! based upon the Vcl]tH! of company ass e ts and sales: ~)E!nior· colnpan·i.o ~; IAJO ul d inc 1 u cl e No. 4·2 R2 24-4·

those companies listed on a Canadtan stock E!XChangE:~ and having total asseLs of between $300 rnillion and $500 million. A p u r· c h a s o o f E~ 1 i g :i b J. (:~ s h a r· E~ s F r· o rn this cat"'~ go r· y LIJO u 1 d E! n tit: 1 E! a 1-:.axpay,:!r; l:o d l:.ax cr'E'!r:IJL E!qu<.,1l l:.o 10 per cent of the investment . Mature companies would include those companies listed on a Canad:ian stock exchange and havJ ng co1nb:ined asst~l:'.~; and sales oF al: least $25 million, but total assets not exceeding $300 mJ.llion.

A pur·chasE• of· Edi.g:iblE! shar'E!S fr·om l·:his cal:.egory IAJoul.d entitle a taxpayer to a tax credit equal. l: o 20 P\'!1'' C(:~n-1-: of l::he :i nvest· .J.1nent. F::xpand --i.ng COiflpHn"i.E!~) IAJOIIld :incJ.udc.;! thosE~ comp<:ln:iE!S l:istf:'d on <:'1 Canr:·1didn !;tock exch<•1n9<'!, ancl l·1av:ing) comb:ir1E'!cJ c~!>~>C"!ts and !>al.E~s o f I. rc! s s i.: h i:'l n $ ?. r;; rn :i. 11 J o n . A pui"Chc~SE~ of E!l.:igi.blE! sl·1ar·c;•s from i··. hiS C i.'\ 1: E! 9 0 In y LIJO II J. d en ·l:. :i. 1.1 E~ d taxpayer· -t:o c~ tax cred-.it E:~qual l:o 3 0 p o r c e n 1:: of i: h c,~ i. n v o s t mE:! n 1:. .

Government will also top up the t. ax c r· edit IAJ-.-i. L h a g r· ant E! qual. t-. o 20 per cerrt of the investment . ErnE:!rg:ing co1npaniE:!s -· L~JouJ.d includE! all thosE:! co1npan.l .E:!s LIJh:oi.ch ar'E'! publicly traded but are not listed on a sl:ock (,~xchangE:', pr·ov·.ich~d that after the eJ.igible share issue Lhere will be a min:irnum of 25 arms-length sharehoJ.ders. In v E! s l. or· s L n e 1 -.i. g oL b J. E! s h a r· c,~ s f r· o 1n this c c:~ t E! go r· y 1..110 u 1 d bE! en t j t J. E! cJ to l:h"! 30 p(:!r' cent: l::c!IX cr·ed:i l: and l ::h(~ 20 per cent grant.

Government-. recognizes the .l JTI p or· L-. a n t-. c o n 1:: r· ·.-i_ b 1.1 -1. ·i. o n o F I: h

E) co - operative and credit-. union sr~ci:.OI" Lo l:_h,::! econoln -Lc devE:!lopnlr-'!l'lL 0 r ·l:: he pI"() v :i. n c e . A~ ; :~ Ll c h ' lA)(! IAJOlll.cJ 1_-_-j_ k 0 'i: O ~; (!(' l:i')f!lrl par· ·l::ic.l.pc:lt:ing :in Lhe NetAJfoundland 1..224-5 r.11 e1 y 2 ,,_ • 1 9 a a Vol. XI. Stocks Savings Plan as well. There is a fundamental problem. h OIAJE~ v or· • i. n L h a 1:'. 1'.: he~; E! organizations historically have i·1llOIAJOd thC'!:ir• ITI()Jfli:JC::!F'~; t :O r'(;!dC!Hifl their shares on demand, ef-f"Hct..i.~IE:!ly r·(:!cluc.lng rnosl: of t·:h1:! r·isk fr·orn the :inVE!~;t.ment.

My officials have held consuJ.taL:ions with thE! as so d . at ions r· E! fH' E! sen L:i. n ~J t·:hE!SE:~ SE!Ct-.or·s r'E:!gar·dJ .ng 1-..h:Ls problE!rn, and as a r·e s u]t, govE:!-rnrnc;!nL c;!XpE:!cl:'.s a pr'oposal fr•o1n co--opE:~ratiVE!S and cr'E!d:l.t. unions .l.n th<~ n(:!r!lr' fut.ur·r:! on a 1nechan i s1n t:ha t L\Jould E:~l1clble theSE! gr·oups t.o par'takE:! of l::ho NeiAJfoundl.and Stock Savings Plan, as E!ligiblE! is !>LIE'r's uP s ha r· t'! s .

Ind:i.vtduals IAJJ.shing to paJnt·:.i.c:ipal.:e 'i. n l: h o N e IAJf o 11 n rll d n rl ~3 i. o c k s ~:;a v -i 11 q s P l a n u.d 11 b c;! a b 1 E:! t o d o s o t h r· o u g h ,:-1 n a 11 1:. h o r' ·i. 1. C! d c:l o "'J u r· . , .. h e aLl t h 0 r• :i Z E:! d dE! c\J. 0 I" IAJ'.i JJ. bE:! I" 0 Cj u·.i I" E:• d ·[: 0 h 0 J. d 1:. h <:! S h 1:11" H S p U I" C h d S E:! d l.l n cl i'! I" thE! progr·anmiE! in l:: hE! ind:i.v:idual' ~; stock Sr~v"i.ng ~; pl.i'tl'l fol" iii m"i.n"L 1nurn of tLilo full calendar yE>ars fol.lowing l.:he year of purchdse.

If the investors wi.shes 1:-.o s eJ.l l.:h~'! shc•1r'E~~' IAJ·oi.L·.hi.n l·.he l"E!qULl"Od holding period, he or she rnusl r'E:'placo t~ht,!ITl IAril::h ol::hc;!r qual.:ifying sharE!S under Hw pr'ograrnrn~:! for· thE:! balanCE! of" l.:hC'! per··.iod. r'he IIE!tWOI"k of dealE!rS :iS ::i.n thE• p r· o c c;! s s o f b o -i_ n g e s l:. C\ b l :i. s h e cl • b u t goVE!rnrnE!nt proposes thal: Jt. bE:! a'; bl"oad as poss:i.bl.E•, l:.o rn<:'lkE! participation in this programme a c c l:! s s - ~, b l. ('! -to i:,1l.l No IAJ F o 1.1 n cl J. an cl l:! r· s and Labradorians.

Go v E! r n mE! n t tJJ i 1 1 a 1 s o bE:! p r· o v i cl ~L n ~J an incentive Lo compan i es which have never made a pubJ.ic share of'fei"J.ng l:o do s o unclr:!r' l:: he Newfoundland Sl:.ock Savings Plan. hiE:! I"E'!Cogni.7.('! ·t:hc1i·. i_hu l:.ancJ-ib1E• costs oF go:in~J pub1:i.c a1"1::! ~; tii:J !; -1.: arli' : ·:i."' l iHl c:l I lid y l:w an :i.ITipE:!d'.irnE:!n L fOI" sorn E! 1\Jo. 1-1-2 --

wi 11 thus bE:' providing a subsidy of 50 per cent of certain tangible costs of preparing a first issue - excluding unciE!r'IAir·itco!r's r~ue:~s · : to. a maximum of $50,000. We have b 1.1 cl g E:d: o d $ 2 50 , 0 0 0 f o r· t: h -L s s u b s ··i. d y in this fiscaJ. year. l.lndor t.:he VE!nt .ur·o Cap-L-1:-.dl f<:tx CI"Ocl:i 1: PI"Ogl"amrnc;!, govE~rnrnE!nt '"''iJ.l be encouraging the Formation of private pools of investment C iii p ·.i 1:. c:\J. t: l:lr' 0 I I 9 h I'W IAI ~HHl 1'.

II r• ~~ cap] tal col"por·at:ions to providE! e q L.l 'i. 1:. y c o n L r· '.'i. b Ll t ·:i. o n s t. o -1-: h o !; (;~ bus:i.nessE~s in the Pl"ovince whJ.ch, bE:!Ci'\IISl'! Of ·i~hetr• S'i.Z('!, IAJOIIl.!·l be unJ.:ikely to do a public shar'E:~ off(~ r··i. ng u ndE! r· 1:: he NE'!IIJf ou nella nd Stock Savings PliHl. These Venture Cap-Ltal Corporations would be requir'E!d to havE:~ a rninimurn E!quoi ty capit:.aJ.izat.ion of ~;100,000, and<.~ maximum of $5 million. The Venture Capital Corporations must also have a minimum of 10 shai"E:~holdE:H's.

I n v e s t o r s L n V E:Hl t. u r E:~ C a pi t. 1:.\ l Corporations would receive a tax c r E:! d i t. a g a oi. n s 1:: N e IAJ f o 1.1 n d l a n d pE!rsonaJ. incornE! lax payab1E! E!quaJ. t:o 30 P<'!r CC'!nt of l::hetr :invE:~strnC'!I'lt, plus a cash grant oF a rl.ll"thr.:!r' 20 pE:!r cen 1·.:' FOI" Cl t.ot-.r,\1 incenLive of 50 per cent. ThE! Ventui"E~ Cap:i ti9.1 Corpor·at.tons 1 1 n d o r· t:. h i ~; p 1" o g r· r:·11 nrn r,~ IAri. ll - b c~ I"C,'qU:i.r'E:!d '1":0 I"E~g:iSI::f:1r' iAd.th thE! Df~par'tJnen-1'. oF F:i.n,:~nc<'!. Upon l.: ho cornp]E~t:ion of Lhc;! fii"St fulJ.

YE!i'll" of upl'!('r'tl:-.ion, l::hl:!~;!;! COI"·pot""·iYtLl.on~:; l'lll.ISI:. hi9.VE~ aL ]E'!i:lsl·: 70 per' CE:!I'll': of 1:: h t'! 1. r· E'! q u :i. 1:'. y c d p t 1:. ,·,\ l :i. n v f'! s 1:'. E'! r:l "i. n c;!ligibll"! srna11 businE!SSE!S in the;! p r· o v t n c o . V E:! n L 1.1 r· c,1 c i'l p L 1·. r'\ J. COI"POI"CII':.'.ions Y'E!g·.ist:E:!I"E!cl undE:!r' Lh:is pr·ogr'dll'li'fln IAd.ll. nol.·. bE~ pE:!r'ln:i.Lt·.ed t·.o t-:.akE! a contr·ol1J.ng ini:E!rest :in lhE! enterprises in which Lhey invest.

Srnal.l bu!;.inE!S~;E~S i. n IAih-Lch L.2246 May 2 4-, 1 9 8 8 Vol XL Venture Capita] Ccopo1"a U.on may J.nl.J!:'!St !flUS+· pr'l'j at: lE'!dS ' I~ 7 1) pt~r cent of thetr LAJagE:!s and sal<H'J .E!S l:o e1npl.oyE:!E:!~' l"f'!S'.icl(;!nt.-. in Lhe• pi"Ovoi.nce.

ThE! srna11 bus-.:i.nesSE!S ~;ho1~l.d bE'! pr•:i.rn;,~l"-i.ly l'!nqaqE:!d i.n one of the following activities: Mdnl.lract.UI"ing dnd Pr·ocus~;i.ng; tourism; rE:!SE:~ar·ch and ciE:•vE:!J.oprnE:!nL; raJ·'rn-i.ng, Foi.sh·inq, For·osi:I"Y or' aquaculture; geological, qooyl"i:\phici:·\J. <:·\l'lr:i SE:!:i~::rni.c SHI"V"i.CE:!S; printing and publishing; m:ineraJ. o x p J. o r· r'l t. ;_ o n ; o I" o I· h o r· p I" E~ s c r· i b H d business activities. The draft legislation contains pI" o t; :i. s -Lon ~; 1.: o c,~ n s u r' e L h a l: 1.: h t? funds invested in smaJ.J. business by UE:!nt·.ui"E!

Cap"i.t:·.al Coi"POI"a l:·. i.ons arE! not USE!d by thE!SE! businesses for the purposes of relending, reaJ. estate investmenL, r'E~.:i.nvE~SllflE:!nl·:. outsidE'! oF Candda, pUl"Chasing SE!CUI"ilir:!S or· any othE!I" activities that are contrary t.o the spjrit and intent of Lhois pro g r· <Mnrne . The Venture Capital l'ax Credit Programme will. operate in paraJ.Jel 1:-.o 1:-.hf~ ex"i.s 1:. 'i.nq Uf~n i··.ur'f'! Ci:~p.i.l::al Progl"cHII ofFE!r'ed by NL.DC IAih:ich p I" () v -.:i. c:l 0 s -.:i. n t.: ('! I" ('! ~; l'. F I" ('! e l. 0 a n s r'7 0 r' seven years to rnat.:ch new equity I" i:·\ "i. ~> ::! cl b 'j

l) C:! n 1.: U I" U C c:il p .i. 1.·. i:~ 1 Corpo1nations. Cor·por·c-::~ · t.Jon~; IAih:i ch i'\ r' f~ C Ill'' I" H l'l L.J 'j I" 0 9 :i S i·.u I"!·~ d U l'l d H l" t: hE! NLDC programme will _ also be <'! l"i. g i. b l (,~ I o r· i" e g ·i s l". I" a L :i o n u n d 0• r' Lhis progl"amme. ThE!Se VCCs, hoiAit'!i)<:!t', IAI-i.ll nol bn abl.e::• i_o appl.y 1-.·.o NLDC to rnatch neiAily l"a::i.~>E:•cl equi.J-.y Fol" 1~1h"i.ch "i.nVE'!SI'..OI"!> hdVE! received incentives unclor l::he VE~ni..III"E:! Cdp-i.t·.c:\l !"ax Cr·udi.i: P In 0 g In a rnrn (;! . I arn surE'! that all members of Lhois hor_1.

Housu IAJ'i.ll agr·ee L:hat l::h<:!SE! E! x c i t i n ~J n E:!IAI p In o ~J r• am s 1Ar1 ] ] p I" o v :i. d E! a 1:-.rernenclous contribution L.o the No. '1-2 R2 24-6

F 1 1 r• 1: h <:~ r· d C:llJ C:! l o p 1 r"l r:! n i: o f c'\ n c:Hl ·h:H· pI" :is E~ c u 1l:u I" E~ J. n N E~IAJf o u nd land and I.. a brad or·, d nd IAJ'.i l J. I"C:!HIO tH! rni:\l'l y o-f the bar-r-i BI"S t.o t:hE:1 r'('!rl1Jzation of 01.1 I'' V d S l": (;! C 0 l'lOITI"i C pot. E:! 1"1 t:··i.i'l l. , ThE~ NE:11~rfoundland Stock Savings P l. a n c1 n d 1 .. h u U C:! n 1: 1 .1 r· c,, C a p '"i. La l. T d x Credit Programme are further uxarnpl.<' !~; of OIJI'' ~;tgn:i.f"i.cant comndtment i:o, cHid confJ.dE!I1CE! tn, the privat:e sect:or o-f our Province. SOME HON. MEMBEr~S: Hear, hear! MR.

SPEAKER: The hon. the member for Gander . MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Th ·is ·i.s Lr·ul.y c.~ sl··.;:,:ti:E:!IIIE:!nl.: of substancE~; Jt: contains qui.te a lot oF ·i.nFor·,ndl:.·i.on, i;J Jot: of mr:~ · I·.E:!r'"i.CI'l, q U J. t c;! U n 1 J k E:1 ITIO ~; t of thE:! MtnJ.stol""i.i:-ll. St.al:E:!IIIE:!nL~; 1.11e ;:JI"C'! 11snd -to hE:!al":ing frorn nlc\ny n1Jn-:i.stE:1rs

l) p p () $ .i. 1.: ~1 ' r 1-. -j_ s C\ ~; 1: d 1:. E:! HI(! n I: 0 r~ subst:ance that has bc,1en h:i.nted at i!tnd alluded to r:\nc:l ~nnouncf:!d lrli\\ny t:ill1<:1s ~H~for·e, and I can undc:!rstand l:ht'! rntn:ls l::c:!l" 1 s <:!nthus ·i.i:'lsln -Ln rnak :ing thJs mdj or staternE!nt on thE! day he "i. n +:rod tJ c <'! s 1: hE! l. e g :i. ~;lat. ion . Tl·wr·E~ a1"~~ somo . Udng~; T 1~1oul.d J. ·i!co to point out about it, Mr. Speaker. It seems as if there has bec.::'n a great deal of consultclUon going on tAr.ith regar·ds t:o thes~~ l·.·.wo pr·ogranllliE!S.

There was cl task For· c e t:. h a"\":. s l:. 1.1 d :i. <:1 d t:-. h ~'! S t. o c k Savings PlcHl, and the m:in:ister says L h a t rno s t · of tol'w recommendations are being . fol.lotAJE!d. HE~ r·ef<:!r's l·.o t:hE:! i·IOIJ~;~~ Royal Commission and LhE~ I'JE:)E!d :i.ciE:!nt:·i.f "i. t:!d by l·.h~:! Ho11~;~:! I~OIJi:\l Comn1"issJon Lo ~~E'!I·: rnoi"E! Nf'!l.•Jf. ou nd 1<'~ nd 1110 nE'! y -i. n Lo Newfoundland businesses. All oF i· : i'lE'!~;p l :: h'i.nq~~ i:H'C'!

VC!I"Y COllli'llendabl C'!, dr1d thE~ n1:i.n:ls l~E:!I" obv.i.ousl y has not: 1.. ?, 2 IJ. '1 Mi:·\Y 2'1·, l9B·B Uol XI . t' II S 1-J (:' d ·i. 1"1 l: 0 l: h .i. S J. :i. k 0 h r;! rl "i_ ci IAI j_ i··. h t:he part-time pens:ions a n n o 1 1 n c c~ rn r~ n L ;:-l f c::! IAJ d i:~ y s '''· g o . T h (;! I" f'! ;;) r· E! C:'l r l'!lAJ 1:. h •i. n g s l like to point out to 1Wi.n"i.s'l":HI". TI·H:!:>C'! p1 " ogr·r:~m1ne s good.

The need for invuslment in Newfoundland obvious. lAJOUld thE! a r·::• ITIO I" l'! i. s In Quebec, a nurl!bE!r of year·s ago, LhE~y · had a Lax Cl"('!d-:i.l:. plans whereby J.nvestrnents in wholly OlArned QUl~bec cornpi>ln :iE'!S lAJou1d receive tax credits in the pr•ov:i.nCE '! oF Qu~:!bec. T'hJ.s nHed is rE!Cognized, and tl'lE! m:inister has finally got along to aclclresstng the neE!d. Bt1l·. some l:.hings I IAJoulcl l.·:i.kc:! l".o point to him: First of all he .

Sdys, 'For tho l9B8 - 89 Fi.scal year·, IAJE~ haVE! cornrnJU:E!d ~~3 rn ::i. 1.J.jon for· :"i. n tJ C! s 1. or· ·i. n c: (:! n t: L v o s u n de I" t h E! s E:1 p I" o g I" a rnrn o s ; c o rn p r J s E:! d o f' ~~ 2 1n:i.l.J ·i.on in l·.r'\X cr·e,ltl :s , and a further· $1 miJ.:Ll .on in gr·ant.:s.' I would say to thE! m:i n:is'LN' that h !-'! cl 0 E:! S 1'1 0 1:. h dlJ 0 , ·i. 1:: ~; E:• (! InS 1": 0 I rJ ('! , htgh E!Xpoctations For· Uw pi"Ogr·arnmc,1. PEH'haps because ·i 1- is only just announced, and perhaps he sees Lhis as the start. of something; ther'E!

I..Uou1d bE! a ~ ;ma11 a m o u n l.: of rn o n e y 1:: h :.i. ~; F :i I" ~' t y (~ a I" , but jt would expand tremendously :in l:".hE! YE~ar·s t:o comE!. Bu l:. I lArould Jjke to point out that this IArouJ.d arnounl:. l::o, as I l"oac:l !::his, bC'!cause I do not have the dotailed i.nfor'ITii:JI: .Jon, 1:-.ol-:.al ·Lnvesl :. niC:!I"'I.: o·f about $1.5 rnill:l.on, t..uh:ich ts not a gi"E:!r:tl·.: cleal. of rnonoy "i.n LE'!I"rns of the potentjal in th:is Province for 'i.ntiC!~;t.rnenl·:. rnonf'!Y.

I IAIO 11] d c.·\ .. , ~; o l "i. k !'! 1.: o poi n l:: o u 1.: 1·. o the m-:inister that: he says in terms o f L h "L s ~; L o c k s ~; e\ IJ t n l.:J s p l. d n , ' N C'! tAl equity issues of corporatJons No . II.?. 1\224-'7

which have a permanent es-tabLishrnE!nt ··in t:h~~ Pr·ov'inc~) 1 that is fine 1 and pay at lE!C-:tst 2 S p (;! r· c E! n t: of 1':. h e i. r· 1".: o t·.: d 1 IAJ a g E! s iind salar'iE!S to E:)mpJ.oyees rE!SidE!I1t: 'in Ne1,ufoundland and l...abr·ador·. 1 Th(,' mtn'ister· must hcwe had a reason for the 25 percent. t IAJO U J. d 1 :i i< E! t. 0 S U g 9 E! S t ~~ 0 h j_ rn 'l h i'l t Lh'i.s IAJoul.d opon l::I-H~ door· for· r.·\ great deal of money being given as l·:;;\x cr'f:!d"'i.Ls ·t n Nm~Jfounrll.Hnc:l IAJiri . ch IAIOUJ.d bE:! USE~d t.:O Ei!Xpand busil'l(c!SSE)S o u t s i d t') t·:. l'lf) P I'' o v ·i. n c e .

S o J. '1: d o C'! s op~~n 'l":.ha 1:. door·, and I hope thc:J."t. IAJhr:!n l·_hr~ llt 'i. n ·i. sl:r'!Y' pr·r~S<::)nt.s h ··i.s ]E:!gJslat:ion IAJ~~ IAI:iJJ sc-:)e l .hi'l'l:: t.hat J. o o p h o l. ~~ ·i. s no l·.: 1:. hE:! l" ~~ , i:t n d l: h i:t t ·i. ~; j t not pos s:ibJ (,) undE!r thE! exp;:·\nd .. i.ng bu~;:1 . nosse s to (!!'·'!(·. ::invE~st.rnc"!l'l · t. rnon(,)Y fr·orn N~~LIJf 7 oundl.dndot"S, q"i.ve +:horn +.;:-\x Cl"~~dil:s a1'1d this IAJi.1l be used to create jobs in other provinces. So I J.ook fo1"war·d to reviE!Wing LhE! lE:!g'.'i.s1al:.ion t:o E~nsur'(.;! that l · :ht:~t loophole is closed.

The minister correctly recognizes that the ordinary pE!rson in this Province, lhE! VE!Y'Y small. .invc->.stor, has a greal stake in the co-operative development I arn thinking in tE!rrns of the Fogo T s l a n d Co .... o p , 1: h E~ v iii t' i o 1.1 s co-operative sLores, the Co-op Ct"E:!dil·. Un"i.on i.'il'ld ~;o on and l .. hE~ l"oal vehlcJ.e t:hrough which the or·d'inr:ll"Y tnan can p11l:: tnonc;!y ·in l·o thee! dt1VE~J.opntE!I'lt of this Pt"Ovince .i s 1 ... h r' o 1 1 g h l.: he c o ,_ o p n r' 1:-1 L ·i IJ E! rnoVC!ITl~'!l1l ..

Tl1:is ha s l.:t"ernondous p o +.-. c:~ n 1 .~ ·L i::' J J "i l:. !·1 i~' ~; <) r1l. y j 1 1 s l. b o q tl r1 I <:tnd jf lAIC:) 1ook c~t l.:he deVC"!lopmc;!n'l: o F t: o · u p c;! r· r.1 I: "'i, IJ e ~' i. n L h i. ~; P r' o v -L n c t'1 , lAW IAJ:i.]] SE'!E:1 t:hat t.hE!Y haVE:) been "i.I'1Vi.·\J.I.It:1bl.E:!. 3o l dln q·Ldd l··. h<'lt: l.hl'! llt:in·i.sl :E:! r' l"f!Cogn:iZE:'S this, and that hE! i~; nOIAJ in i:: hE! proce ss of trying t:o rind a mechanism whereby t nvest~ents i n co-operatives will L2248 May 2·11., 1988 Vol XL also bE! cr·t~di ts. that.

E!l.igible for I arn VE:!l"Y pl.oased lhE!SE! i:~bout In rE!gard to t:he VeiYturE! Cap:i t.:al Tax Cr'E'!di. t Pr·o gr'dlrtlflc->.: MR. SPEAKER: or·der, pl-E!ase! MR. BAKER: Tn concliJS "i.on, r"'l". ~3pr:~akc!l", t:hat soems to be a mechanism to develop ;:'( p o o 1 oF rno no y . r h "i. s s u f:'! 1n s 1':. o b P pt"imar·ily fot" lhto! Jar·gr::! :invE:!St.Ot"S iHl d 0 f l'l 0 t I r1 II C:: h C 0 n CfH' l'l . l ·. 0 1:: h Ei' s m a ll.E! r' i n v r::! s t o r· s . Mt". SpE:)aker, we welcome t:he ·in :i. 1: i . .:-t 1.: -L v e <::1 n d we 1. o o k F o l''l~kl r' cl Lilith E!nthusiasrn to s er::!ing the J.

E) g :i. s 1 a 1· .i. on IAI hen l:: h ~'! rrri n ::i. s L 1;;! r presents it. Thank you. §.9.~ E tlQ.I'L-~I::t113J-~fi.$_ : Hear·, l·war! MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the member For Menihek. MR. FENWICK: Mr. SpE!ai<E!r, tAJe havr::! bE!E'I'l wa:j ting pi'lr'L:icul.."lr announCE!d, anxiously for t:h"'i.s inittative since it was T Hl"i. n k , J. as l Fa ·11. . W f:! "' r· f~ d "i. s a p p o ·oL n 1··. e d 1·:. h H t. a pro g r a mrrH:! , IJJ hi c h has clear· 1 y been sl:.ol.('!l'l fr'o1n l.hr).

Pt"ovincr::! oF Q u e bE:~ c , a n d s 1:. o 1 c-:~ n a p p r· o p l" i a t E' 1 y b<.;!Calt~;u :i.f-. '~J<.·\s nu ·r·. ,:-, bdd pr··oqr•;;\lmne:' OVE!Inal1 'in LhE:' Pl"ovi.ncc;! of QUE!bec, ha~:; nt:~t·. blockc.:!c~l !:he! seJ"JO!.J~:; Fl.r~lt;..J~~ t h a t t h ~~ P r· o v i n c E~ o F Q 1.1 e b ~1 c F o 1.1 n cl IAI h C! n · i. i: ·i. rn p l. n 111 r:! n L u cl <:·\ p I" o g l" 1:1 lllli'IE! v e l" y s i. rn J 1 iH' t o Ul'.i s . l j u s t.: 1.11 a n t [·.u fflE!nl:Jon, t:OO, [·.hf'! VUI"Y ~;('!l""i.OUS J.irrd.tatoi.ons in thE! pl"oposal a~; J.t.

"i. ~; C 1.1 r' I" E:! 1'1 1·. l. \j b (~ ·i. n g p U I~ 0 Ll t. ·1-ht:! f"i.r·s 1:: -i.s, :'i.f' you look al:. l:. h E! first thi"E!E! catE!gor:i.E~s, and I f o r· g C'! t.: IAI h a t: t·.: h f:' y a r· E'! c a l. J E'! d , b u t No. 42 R22'l-8

I:JH,~ publi.cl.y 1 i .s 1:\:!d co1npan-i.es, yo11 t.u:i]J fJnd, Ml". Sp~~ai<E:~r, as you i<l'lOIAI, J.ook--i_ng •:'11"-. i·.hE~ nr;!IAISpi'lflC:!t', t_hE!Y'E~ ar·E~ only about SE!VE~n Ol" o "i. g h -1:. c o rn p d n "i. o s "i. n i: h i. s fl r· o 'J ·i n c c;! , ctlJ oF tl·tE:!rtl qu::l.t.E~ l.c~I"9E!, which IAJ'.'l l.J b H 1"1 01~1 (:~ l. "i. 9 ·i b J. 0 f 0 I" p II l: 1. ·i_ rt q out new equity issues, and for p n o p -, e 1: o g e t-. 1'.: h E:! -L r· t. a x c r· E~ d ·i. t·. d n d l:l·tE!il" gl"an ·t.s clS i'l I"E:!SUJ.t of 'it, SO t•.IE!

E:!nd up IAri.t h Nr::!wfounr.ll.and Capital Corporation and For·tis, l.: hE~ n r:~tAtl. y r· E~ l E:! as r:~ d Nr:'!IAJf u u nd l. i:'l nd Light and Power Company, and a number of other companies which are quite large. Quite frankly, although -i.t is appropr"i.ate for them to ra'ise new money and to develop it, we must clearly under·s l':and that those cH'E! thE! S"!Ven cornpan·oi.r:~s 'l:·.hat IAJ-i.l.l bc:!l'lt:!F-Lt: to the large extent. NOIAJ l·:.hE:!r'E~ ar'E'! l:tAJO ol:: het" gr·otlp~; IAth:ich di"E! pr·ov:idE!d for· tAJh:i.ch ai"E! not l..i.s 1:-.t"!d compan'lc,~s, and l:hd l·.

IAIO uJ.d br:~ f 0 r• t: hE! maj 0 l"i t:y of [·:hE! s 1 n"' l. l t:! r· c o 111 p ,:11'1 "i. c:! s :i. n L h i. s PI"OV:i neE~. Rut thr:~ pr·oblE:~m Wi:ls, as 1.: h (;! y f o 1 1 n d ··i. n Q 1.1 c~ b c,~ c , 1.: h H t: t h to! r· r~ was no guarantee thaL these cornpiHt 'i. f'!S t~JC!f'(! J.·j_,J·i.ng up l:o FlY'OfHH' account·:ing pr·ocedurc:!s, IAJE:~re pi"O pot" ly rnd nag ('!d, and IAI~'! r·E~ :i. n ;:'1 sj'l-t.tat'.ion IAJI·torE! PE'!OpJ.E:~ 1 s money had i:iL lf:!!'I~;L: a · tnoci·Jcu trl of hopu of ~H"dng :inv~~stE:~d pr·opE!r·J.y.

L'llhal: happE:•n,:!cl :i.n q1.1oboc, Mr·. ~:;p~:!<.·li<E'!I", - and IAJhcd.: I prE!dict t.u:i.J.l happE!I1 h(o!r·t:!, i.s a tr·t :! rrtE!nrlous a1nounl ·: of mon(:'Y t.u:i11 be gE!I1(o!rated in it and IAIE! IAI.i.J.]. (;! 1'1 d Up IAJ"i, I:Jt r• 0 CJ lH! S t. i!l k J 1'1 Cj the TTIOI'IE!Y and jnVE!Sting it i.n 11E!lAI buslnesses and e nding up in a position whereby the individuals IAJ h () J 1'1 V (;'! S t. i n "i. t·. IAI'.i. 1. 1. E! 1'1 d U p losing a lot of their money. I I" E'! f (o! r· b a c k l:. o o n e o F 1.: h e c l a ~> s i. c cases.

George Rideout, an i.ncl'i.v-Ldual ·i n Cor'I'IE!f' nr·ook IAJhosn company :i.~; in bankr·uptcy, h:is c o rn p a n y J. o s t. s e 'J r::! r· .:·1 1. 1 n ·i J. l i o n L/.?.4-9 May 24-, 1988 Vo1 XI... doJ.l.<.H'~; .... and T i;llll noi·: go -i. ng 'i.nt:o t.he circumstances because our Dopdt'l-.tnent·. of Con~>l.ltltur· l)f'fi:'l i l"~:; i·1acl no control whatsoever over the :i.n vos ·i.menl-: d(,~c·:i.sions bE:!i.nq tn;:~ d('!. Mr·. SpE!akE:11", if IAJE! ar'E:! go:ing i':.o t:! n c o 1.1 r· .;\ q o p e o p 1. H 1":. o ·i. n 'J o s 1-.: i. n u 1.1 r· own local companies, i t is E:! X t r• E:!

HIE'! l y i Ill p 0 r• L'. d n "l-.: '1:: h i:'l i:. l.: h E:! Minister of Consumer Affairs and Cotnlnun"i.cat.oi.ons (r'11" . Young) bl":ing in some legislation so that we h ;:,1 V (~. S 0 1 Tl C::! CJ 1.1 d Y' i:'1 n 1': ('! E:! S l: h i'l t. lA I :i cl (II AI S and orphans and otl·wr pE!Opl.E! I.AJho ar·e go oi.ng Lo Lr·y l·:o :inV ('!St undE·r· this scheme are not: dumping lhe:i.r· money l:o ro·~ut:!S and buccanr::!E!r's and other peoplE! whosE! major 'int:er'E!S L -Ls c:ol.locttnq l .. hC'! mon(;!y and not in provtding tht:! kind of jobs Lhat t.o~Je t.o~li:~ n t h r::! r· r:! . M r· .

S p E! a k E! r , a 1 t: h o u g h IAJ E• a p p r· o 'Jf:! of +~hf:! qr::!ner ·c·1l. Fur·tnat, !.o~JC:'! have; some serious reservatlons about-.: how :il: .i.s br-~·i. ng :-i.lnplt:!ITienl::t:!d hE!r'P. MR. SPFAKER : T h t'! h on . i: h (;! r~ ·i. n ·i, s t r:! I" oF C i:i t" o E~ r· Development and Advanced Studies. MR. MATTHEWS: -rodr:iy I ,_.,rn pl.eds(~!d ·!·.o ann()uncn l-::he appr·oval of 189 ITIOI"E! pr·oj E!Cts undE!t' Lhr~ gover·n1nE:!nl·.:' s Pr··ivat.E! SE:!(:tor EmployrnE!nl Pt"OCJI"arnntq.

These projecl':s involve a provincial contribution of ~~1., 0211· , 789, r:!lnpl.oy·inq 293 employees, and an additional $179,~14, ernpluyi.ng 127 students. . P R j:JJJ T E_~ __ _E_I~ C l~f O_I~.Q : How many students? Ml~. MATTHEllllS: One hundr'E!d and st: uc:lt'! l'lt s. PREMIER PFCKFORO : No. 4-2 R2 2 4-9

One and st:udenls, MR. MATTHEWS: M r· . S p ,,~ a k "~ r· , a t 1:: h:i s p o :i. n t ·i. n l h ~=! programme government has spent appr·ox:i1nat.e~l.y $2.6 ITJil 1 ion of l::hE! $7.5 million allocated for the Pr·'.:i.vat:e Secl::ur· Ernpl.oy1n~:!nt. Programme to create to date 850 jobs , 1. 9 6 of IAih :'i. c h a I" E~ s t: 1.1 d '~ n t. posi l::ion!;. J IAIO U J. d J.i k e t 0 p 0 :i. 1'1 t 0 U 1:. f 0 Y' thE! h o n . l·:i'w tn H 111 b E! r· ·f o J" S l: . J o h n 1 s FrJSt Ll·1cli': thE! yout:h component is 101.1 C h 9 r E~ t'\ t fH' t h i:l 11 '1.9 (j , 1: h c•d: J. S studc,~nt:.s onJ.y. To di:ll':e, Ml".

SpE~akE!Y', my d E'! p c:H' 1':111 (~ 1'1 1:. h a S In C'! C (! i V ('! d !) I) ('! Y' 1. :l 0 0 a p p J :i c cl t :ion!; F o I" Ud s p r· o g r a mrrw a n cl i.-\ p p r· o v ''' l. s 1~1 i J l c o n 1·. :i. n 1 1 c;! 1:. n occu1" or1 a J"E~gulal" bas'.i.s unL'il l:hE:! l·:.ol.:aJ. Funds for· l.hE~ pr·ogr'iili'riHJe ,:·11"E'! E~XpBI'Ided. MR. DFCI<Ff~: Mr, SpEH9. k E:H', MR, SPEAKER : The hon. the TTIE!mber· for thE! Strait of BE~l.lc,~ Isle~. MR. DECKER: Min. Spr:~ · aker•, I think it: IAJOUJ.d bE! a p p r o p r· :i. a t. P f o r· 'n e !". o c o n g r d 1: u l a 1:.

E~ the 850 people in this Province 1.~1 h o , a 1:. a cos+: of $/. . 6 IIJ"i.l. 1. ·i. on I h i:t v E~ g o t·. 1:. ~~ n IAJ h a t. t. h '~ m :i n i s t e r· Pl.iph~'!ITI"i.stical.ly calls jobs. T IAiouJ.d hi:.tve thought l:.hcd·. a job JA.Jas si.1wi.l.dr i'.o a cc:H't:!EH'. J l'll:i.gl·1'l. bH TfiOI"~:! appi"Opl":ii:\t(->. LhE!SO dss-LgnJnen ·l·.s I bf:•cdu~;e b:it Of di 0 I" l ..... t ~H'nl IAIO r• k p~:!opl.c-:! Lhr·ough ~;o i'.hf:!y t 1·, ~'! :i I" u r1 (,!nip] o yrnE'! n L . MR. MATTH FW~3 : i::h·ink i :~ to c<:-llJ.

"i 1:'. 'I ~; d l:.o take,~ c.:-1n gr~l: ~:l o y c~ 1.1 d r· C'! ,., g a ·i. n s L·. t. he s 1': u cl E:! n t. s . MR. DFCI<FR: L2250 May 211·, l9B8 Vol. XL My congr·dtul.at:Lons t:o t·:.h~~ studc;!ni:.s L~Jho got jobs. My condo] encE!s, Min. SpE~ak(,H', to l· .. hr::! 251000 yotmg pE!OpJ.e IAihO do not ki10lAI lAihat: :i.L j_~~ to haVE'! f.~ rr:~al. job "i.n !:his PJ"ovincE!. §.9.~ E __ tt91~L-.f:'1..1~~-~-~-~. : Hear· I hE~ar·! MR. . 0 E C K E R : My condolences to 'l:hE! 18,000 p n 0 p 1. f'! lAI h 0 h i''l c:l 1-. 0 l.

C:~ i'1 V (;! l:. h "i. ~; ProvinCE! :in thE! le1st thr·c~!e~ YE!i'H'S 1.: o •J o t. o i·. h f:! rn ,,, t n J. d n d L o J o o k F o r· t.AJork, Mr·. Sp€:~akel". ThE• JA.JhoJ (' p Y' 0 b J. (! l'fl "i_ S 1:. h r;! E'! C 0 n 0 Jrl y 0 f:- 1'. h ·j S Pl"ovincE:~ hr1s b~:!E!n br·ou~JhL l.:o ·.:i.t:s k n H c;! s i.'t n c:l p r· i. IJ d ·1: f:! t'! n 1:: E:! r· pI" i. ~' c~! 'i. ~:; no longer capable oF emp]oying our p r,~ o pl. n . T' h c,~ g o IJ c'! r· n rn f:! n 1:. h a !:; 11 o choice but l::o ~JE:'t :in lhE•Y't:• and li"Y l: 0 (! 1'1 C 0 l.ll" i"l g (! 1': h 0 p r• J.

V d 1: E'! ~; e C '1:: 0 I" t. 0 r:~rnpJ.oy our· p~:!oplE•. Ml". ~ipr:!ak<:!l"' 1 i:'' 1 n :r rn :i. s I" r:~ i'l d ·i. n g t: h i. s IAI h 1:! n I ~:. 1::! E! the sanw narnE!S lurntng up yeaJ" after yPar, the people IAiho are r e c Ed. v i n g t h e s e g I" iHl t s ? I clll'l IAiondering -Lf !Ale are not creating a syndrorne, just as Jn IAIE!}fare lhE!Y'E! i. s a s y n d r o 1rH~ I 1.1.1 h ~n· E! p E• o p 1 e g e l~ dE!pE!ndent on IAJeJ.fcH'E! and lhE:!y c a n n 0 l:. s lH' v ·i. v ~~ 0 F r" lAI E! 1 fa r· E:! ? I i:llfl tA.Jonder:ing if thE! min:istE!l" is noL C I~ C::! a t "i. n g a p r• "i. V i:l t E! S (;!

C [·. 0 r' IAI h (;! I"~, our private enterprjse, our cornpan"i.E'!~; «tr'E'! nc)IAI boco1n:ing !:~o dependent on those government hand ·OI.Ji ... s l:·.hc~l:'. l::hey canno.l: oven carry on unless they gel goVf:!Y'nlrlf!rlt help? f'h:·i s I r·~r·. Speaker, is no more than a - . MI~. SPEAI<FR: 0 I" d e r· , p J. e a s o ! MR. DFCKU~: ·-- stop-gi'.lp rnua!>UI"E!, and I cr.1ll on l.:h1~ llli.rl"i.~;i:nr· i:o f"i.nd c:1 long - I ... C!I"Ifl solution For Lhe 251000, and so t:hr:~ '1. a, ooo c i''trl c o1ne 1·1o1n(:!. SOME HON. MEMBERS: No. 42 R2250

MR. ~3PEAI<FR : Th<'! 11on. l~h<:~ rnc.:!rnbE~r· for· St John 1 ~; Ft:IS t. MR. I ONC: rhank you' Mr·. ~:)pfh~klH'. Vr'!I"Y br·"i.E~fl . y, IAJE:! ht:'tv<~ i.~lt'E:!acly S<'\"i.d thcd: fi"OlTl OlU' OWn l':!Xpl'H''itHlCE! ti·w pl"ogramHH~ 'i.s IAJor·k.ing fr:-~·i.l"l.y IAJ<:~ll.. I know private employers in my d '.'i. s t r· i. c '1". , • d n d s i:. a f f -L n t: h ~~ department, are working 11ard to Lur·n l ::hE~ applications ar·ound e\S · quici<J.y as po.ssiblE:!.

I bt~g of thE! mirdsl:.E!r SOTTlC::1 futhE!r' del:i"l'i.l~; 'i.f IAH:! arE! going to have furthE!r a n no u n c <-:l IIH:1 n l:. s , :i n par· t:. ·J c u l. at' questions of relative merit in the appLicati.ons. W<·) hav<:~ no 'ind:i.cat ... i.on as L·.o how many applications were not t :1ppr·ov<~d. (lnd I am wondC::1r' i.ng about t.h<;, tn.lining componE,nt. As 1~1o s E~ E~ rno t' <:1 and rno I"<:~ ,:·l p p J. ·i. c i':\ 1':.

"i. on s to IAJhat is, accol~d]ng to the rn'i n J s l:. ~ '' r , bE:! c o1wi. n g a tJ <~ r y pop 11l. iH' I:JI"Ogl"i:liTHnE~, 'l:.hel"B IAJ:i ll nE~ed to b<:~ c (;! r· l:. r:-1 ·i n s l: d n c:l ''' r· c:l !; u f q u r:-~1 i. 1·: y · i. n tl1e etppJ:icC~tions applied. So COIIl.cl i".ho IWi.ni.ShH' ddlJ"iS<'! 1.1!; Ul'l hOI.J.J t.hey dEd.:E~rrninE:! SUCC(:~ssful ''' p p l. .. i. t: t:\ L i. o n s ? Tho o 1: h(;! r' Uri. ng I IAJOII J.d J. -L k n l':o SclY is the duration gf the pr·ogr'aiiiiiiH :i.s uncJ.oiH', IAJh~Hl dec:~dl'.i1·1E!S might bE! put in plaCE! for· a cut.off point:, or· dOE'!

S i.L: jusL go until the money is exhausted? Mr. Speaker, we went through last Summer with announcements being made r·eguJ.arly, and thE!rE:~ s~~E!ITIE!d to be a need for monies in the public sector which was not available b(~Ct:luse t:·1ll. l:.h<:~ rnol'ley 1~1as put·:. ·i.nl:.o the private sector programme . 1_22 1 ~>] Mi:iy 24·, 1988 Vol XL instance, is this past weekE!nd thE! p<'lr'ks op~:!l'll'!d dl'ld Lhts govE:!r·nJrl('!l'll: dOE!S not have a PI"Ogl~arnl'fl(;!

IAr.:i.l:h:i.n i: hP Dop,:~r'LIIIf.!nt: ()r CuJ.I".uJ"~''· Recreation ~nd Youth for keeping 1: h n p r:1 t' k s c 1. or:<~ n b f'! c a 1.1 ~; e I~H~ h a v r:! lo~;t: thE:~ 90U(o!I"I'ITTI(:!I'li: pub]ic ~>l:!C'LOI" p r· o g r· ,:Hnril r;! , j u b c r· (~ d 'L 'i. o n F o I'' st.udents and young peoplE! ·.in Lhe :') U Hllllf:! I" , d nc:l e V fH' y i:'.l'l"i. 1'1 q h i'·U> g 0 I'll;! into the private sector. I IA.JOUld suggest, Ml". SpeakEH', if, tAJ:i t: h ·oi. n 1:'. h ('! n H x 1:'.

F (;!IAJ IAJ~~ ~=! k s , tAJ(:! cl o not see aJJ. this rnonl"!Y USE!cl, IAJf:' put :it 'Lnto l.:h{;!SE:! pr·ogr'i'llllln<;!S IAJh ·.:Lch have been cut back. Thank you, Mr. ~)pE:!ai<E~r. MR. SPEAKER: ~·- .. -------•uo• •••- OrdE:1r, pleaSE!! Before recognizing the han. mtn"i.st.l'H', T IAH'!l.COIIIt:'' Lo Lhe gr.1ll.C::~ri.E!S fourteen stuciE!nts Fr·om Glovr'!r'town l·l i.gh School. and F - i.fl:.e ~Hl students from Quebec, with their t-.f~dch~H', Shor·rnan W"i.s~'!l'rliHl. sor~E liON. MEMF3 E RS: H ~~a r' , hear ! -·- hon . the F c:l1 1 c ,,., '1": ·i. o n . MR·. HEAfm: Mr·.

Speai<E:!r, I arn pJ.eased Lo a d v -L ~; r::! 1.: h e H o 1 1 s r:, 1·. h d t.

I) r' . l~ o b ~,, I" l:. Crocker has been appointed as a one person task Force on Mathematics and Scierice. Dr. CrockE!r 1Ad1l bE) assjst:E!d by <:•1 sl:: f~E~r·Lng COJllln ~i.l:I::E!f'! of gover·nrnr::•nt officials, Chi.dred by the ClE!rk of l.: h E:! E x ~=! c u t: :i v <'' C o u n c :i l , M r· . H a 1 St:an1E!Y. The s tE!ering cornm:i t:. t:E!E! IAJ "Lll faci.l. i . tat:~~ Dt'. Cr·ockc'!r' 1 s IAior·k and bE! ab]E• to appoint: Lask for·ce co ..... i.nvE'!S l··.igai'.OI"S and/or · r·esoai"Ch assistants as required. You IAJ'i.l. J. ,., (! c ;:-\ 1_ 1 L h ;:, l:. l.. he d (:1 c ·.:i. s :ion No. 4·2

[·: o c In f~ n 1-. e ;:-\ 1--. a s k f o r• c f'! o n Mathematics and Science was announcr;!d by t.he goVf!r'nlnr:!ni-:. "ln l::hf~ Thi"OnE! Spr:1ech. lhE! Task For·ce IAJas dr:1omod nr:!C<~~;sar·y l:o study all components of the E! l <c11rl en t. c~ r· y - · s (:;1 con cl iii r· y and post- ·secondar ·y systems IJJh:ich might have an ··i.lrlpact: on thr~ ach:i.ov~~l'llt:!nl.: of s tudE!nts in Mathernattcs and Sc:i"!l'lCE! cour·t;es.

Such c.:\ st:udy "i.s prompted by statistics showing a h i g h f d :i 1. 1.11·· <'! r· a t. f~ i. n f t r· s 1·: y (,1 a r· Mathematics at post-secondary institutions, and cl low participation rate in ph~sical sc ·if'!nCl'!S ·i.n bol·.h S('!COnc:iai"Y i.'il'ld post - secondary instil::utions. A s t:r·ong l :i.n k dgc·:! I~Jd s no L1~d bf:!IJ~Jc ' !O n ;:-.~ch:i.e~Jr~rnl~nl -.in thr:!Sf~ ar·r~ds r..tnd thr~ t~ co no1-n-i. c: 111<d l. . bc,d n g of U1 C:! Pnw:i IIC"!.

S:i I'ICE·! -[ hr:! iHir!Ol.lnC<cHfl('!l'lt of l::hf:1 g o lJ H r· n 1 n E! n 1: ' ·i. n 1:. f'! n l-. ·i. o n 1·. o e ~' ·1·. a b l. l s h a task force on Mathematics and sc -i.E!nCE! L:hfi!I"O hds bfi!f'!n d br'Oi~\d recognition across all economic ;~nd soc :i.al S(:!ct:or·s of t.hr~ noed 1::-or this study and the need for off r~ c ~: -L v '~ so J. u 1·: :i. on s 1:. o t rnp r· o v c.~ participation and achievement in Mal::hematics and Science. Dr. Crocker's terms of reference a I" E! as F o 11 OIJ.IS :

(1) Del::ermine the extent of pr·oblt:!lfiS ·in Mf,\t.hernat. -i.cs and Science achievement at both the el.ernent:ary - seconddry and post-secondary levels; ( 2 ) D E'! 1-: fH' 1 n-i. I'H'! 1-:. h f! c a u ~; I'! ~; n F pl"obJ <'!filS IAJh:i.ch hrlVE! ·;, d (~ n L j , f "i. !'' c:l i. n Mc1 1·.: h l'!lfld 1: ·i. c s ~1 c :.i. lHI CE:! a c h :i E~ v E'! n1 E! n t ; and I·. he bE! r~ n i'ind (3) l~ecomrnencl spec· .ific act:ions to i.

If I p I"!) lJC'! p ;H' I. :i C .i. p d 1·:. ·j 0 n i:Hl d acl· l:ievE~rnl ' !nL l"atH s :i.n MathE!rnat :ics ,;·~ n d ::J c i r;! n c n d t: b o I: h I: h ::! elementary - secondary and May 24·, l91l8 Vol. XI .. Thu Dr;!par·l:inr:!nt.~; of Ecluc;:'1t :i.on, Cc-.lrE!E!r DeVE!loprnE!nt and AdviHlCl,!d Sl:udiE:!S a11d l:. hE! I~XE~cut··.:ivr:! Council. considered a number of qualified ·-L n d i. v ·L d u a 1. ~; F o r· 1:. h t s 1:. a s k ,~- o r· c E! before a~JrE!Edng that Dr . Cl"oci<E :! r 1.11a s 1:: h (,1 b ~ , , s t qua 1 i. f .i. o cl l:. o investigate the problem .

The consE'!I'lSI.IS IAJas unan.i.rnous t. h;·~t: I·H:! was the person for the job. Mr·. SpeakE!r, thE! ~)t:oer·:ing Cc)mlnj.I·.l·.oe IA!i.ll. cons'i.sl-: of· l::ho deputy ministers from five govur·nrnc·:!nt depdr'i-: .rnl:!nl-.s i:i11'ld t·:.h~· Secr·etar·y of TI"E!i'.lSUI"Y BoaJ"d . They r:'\ r· ~~

I) r· . I< (' ! i. 1: h 1111 .i. n t C'! r· . c d r· 0 ('! r· Development and Advanced Studies; r·.IJr•. Clyd:) Cr·dn l.l'!t"', OevolopnH :!n L; Mr·. G:i.J.bE:'r't. P:il<r~. Envir•ornnEHll; Ml". l . e1~1 ~\Jh"i.l:::!. ~ ' )Hcr·c,1L,·.·\I"Y of TI"Hd~>LII"Y Boar•cl; M:i~;s E1i.Zc..J.br:!l~h Mi:'ll"sha.L.l., ~)oC'i.r'll SC.:!I''v·i co:;; r:-\l'ld Ml". L or·nc'! Wheeler, Deputy Minister of E d u c ;:-' L ·i. o n . r h i. s s 1·.: E:! E'! I" · . .i. n g Committee, Chc:d.rE!cl by M1'"·.

Sl .. ;:u-d.r:!y, wiJ.l be AVdil.abl.e to the task f o r c E! f o r c o n s u 1 t a t J. o n Cll'l s p E! c i f :i c dr'Oc\S of -i.nvPst. ·i.gat.ion -Ln Ol"ciE:!r' t.o e n s u r e t h a t t: h E! s t u d y s t: a y s IAr:i.t.: h J n :i.ts tnt. E~ndE~d rnandat.e. It: IAJ·:LJ.l also review costs and re~ommencl r·r~v:i.s'ions ~.: o the l:·.ask fOI"CE:! budq(~l.: as r e qu i. red . As 1..1.Je] ] • L h Ei! Commitl:ee wi ll. assist t.he !::ask Force gajn access to achievement daLa and ol::h~~r· tnFor·lnaL -i.on F1" om government, schools and p 0 St .... S E~ C 0 1'1 d <H' y ·j 11 S ~· ·i_ l Uti (IllS . Mr. 5peakE!r.

Dl". Cl"OCi<(~~r· is d h 'i. <J h J. y s k :i. l l. n d r· ('! ~; ('!;:·\I" c hE:! r' . recogn:i.zed nationally 'i.nl ·:c:!r'l'lr:\L ·ionr;\Jl.y, <·11'111 I~JdS one of Lhe chief 1·1 (' L s dl'lcl I"C!Cf'!rli:".l.y Ci~lnad:i.i:ln .i n lJ r;! s L :i. g d l: o r·· ~ ; .in -1:. ~1 r·n d tiona 1 I~Jho 1.1.10\''kf i!c:l <)i'l rHl study on sc 1ence dCh i.r,!lJf'!lllf!l'll . i.n r~l f'!lllC.:!nCdt'Y i:'lnd secondary sc hools. Dr·. hf.lS bE• E:! n unl::i1 No . 1.~2. R2252

recently Director of the Institute of R~'semr·ch and D<,~v~~l.opln~:!nl··. af.~ Memorial University. He will r· <"! p o r· 1:. 1-. o '1:: h r~ P l a n n -:i. n g ,., n cl PriorJties Commjttee of Cabinet, a n d i l". -i. s r~ x p c~ c 1 ... r~ cl L h a 1'. 1:. I'H'! compr'f!h~:!I'IS::i VE~ ~; i':.udy IAJ::i.1J. bE! colnpll :!l:ed w:i.l~lri. n a ~dx 1-.o w· i.ghl~ 111on Lh I" :irne fl"arnr:!. l •WI pl.ocH;t~cl l:n 1-.r:·,bl.f! a 1;opy of I h:i s st·ah>.rn~"!n t, a1ong IA.d Lh the al:.l.:dched · i.nfor·rnr:)l ~. i.on sh1·:!t:!l". g"i.'.J i.ng fUI'"i· h~~r backgl"ound on Dr·.

Crockar 1 s profrnssi.onal qui'.ll.if:icat:i.ons and E!Xp~~l"i(;~nce. I f.~hank YOI.I and 1-.I'H~ hon. IIIBIIli:HH'~; of the House for· youl~ attE!ntion on t hi ~; trtc' t t: E! t' . SOME HON. MEMBERS : H r:1 a r· -, -~1€~ar~-----·· -· - !"1 R-~-·~· P E A I<...S.B. : ThE:! hon. tht:! mernbc;!r For· thE! Stra:i 1: of Belle Isl.r.:~. MR. DECI<F.R: Mr. Spea-k-er, Dr.

Cr·ocki.H' 1 s "i.s ilnp<,~ccabl.~>.. · Tho hon. nltni.si':t"!t' could not have chosen a better per·snn J.n i·.hr~ Dom-Ln.ion of Cdn'~'cl"' to carry out this one-man task Foi"Ce. [ dIn S 1.1 r· p I" i. •; f~ d 1.. h r:·1 l: ·i. 1: ·t: 0 0 k ·t·. h 0 l1 o n . rn :i n :i ~; t. ~H' s o 1 o n g t o g (!'!- [) I" . C t' 0 C k <:H' L: 0 g 0 d i·H:~ d d 1.-IJ-i. 1. h 1: h "i. ~; 1.: i:1 S k fol"C~:!. Only afL~~I" t~Je attacke::!cl thE! lll"i. n i. ~; 1. f'! I" .:HI rl r:u; !U:!!:I h :i.lfl 1..1Jh !'! n I'll'! I..IJd ~; go :i n g to p u t t:. h :is t as I< for· c e in pl. d c (o! , c:l ·i II h ~=!

F "i. n d -1 l.y rl ~=! c .. i. cl n 1: o Lake sorne act:ion on it. I am p l.E:'a s f:!d ht~ i-.i. na lJ.y lAWn 1: a hf~ad IAd.Lh i 1:. T rn u s t: c o n ·f e s s , L h o u 9 h , M r· . SpE:1akE!r, I am sorrWIAJhat surpriSE!d. WhE:!n t:h i.s IMas r:1nnounced i.n Lilt~ Thr·on~'! SpE:'f:!ch, I IAJas E!XpE!C'i':::ing a 1:: a s k f o r· c f'! a l1 no s 1:: s y n o n o 1 no u s IAJ i 1.: h a RoyaJ. Cornn1:iss:i .on inl:o th(! problems w"i.th MaLh and Sc-i.ence, 1...2253 May 24-, 1988 Vol. XL.. and now I discover it is more Jike th<,~ old song, One man and h'i.s clog IAJent to mow thE! I'Tif:!adoiAJ.

It is 1:1 o n o .. , n d n 'l'. a s k F o r' c r~ b u 1-: , I'IE!VE!r:theJ.r::~s s, if anyonE! can do ::L 1:, T ~un s IH' n

I) I" . C I" o c k ~H·· IAJ i. ll. , i. n spit:e of the DeparLment. of FdiiCi.'tLion. I IAJ:ll1 mak<'! c~ fE:!L.LJ pi"E!cl:ictJons, Ml". ~)pndkcn·. Dr·. C::r·nr:kr:•f'' i.~; qo.i .nq l· .. o f :ind that LhE!r·c,, is not E!nough t: ·ilnE:· ~;pr:!nl·. on Mal:hHrnal .. ic~; ·in l~:hn ~;chool system today. Thi~t is go:ing l:o be o n E:! o F h -L c; f i. n c.l ·i. n g s , T c a n 1·.

E! 1. 1 t:he hon. m:in:lsi:E:~r· that. ·rhE! hon. 1r1'i.n"i.sl:.er· IAJi.J.l. kno1.-~1 i':hal.·. l::hf:! jun ·i.or· h:igh school syst:.E!ITI is a1so bl':!j . n~J r'I':!VdlfiFH'!C~, and he IAJ'i.ll. kl'lOIAJ, Jf f::h('! recommendations are carried out, t:·.h~:! t· .. irn~~ sp~:!nl· : on ~~at.h<;!rrti:'\t.·lcs in jun:i.or high udll a1so br:• cut down. The minister w:i11 know th~t.

NoiAJ, :i.f hE! :is SE!I~:ious]y conCE!r'l'lE!cl about: i::hl, Math pr'obl.~'!IIIS :i.n thos~! schools, he w:il1 stop that r· (;! c on trrl E! n d"' 1:. 'i o n hr.:· r· ~'! iHI cl no 1 ~~ s o that Math 1Ad11 not bE) s cal.E!cl doiAJI'l in jl.tn ·i.or· high, and ht:! \Ari.l.l also see that more time is spent on Mal·.h r:·1nd ::ici.tHlCC:' i.n 1·:.1'1(;! high schooJ. programme, as we11. I also qn ·i.ng schooJ.s pl~E!cl:i ct that. Dl". Cl1 'ocl<<-:~l" is l:o f ·i. nc:l i·.lv1 1: ·i:hr'!l"f! dl"f'! :in Y'UI"d} NeiAif o u nciJ. a ncl 1.-~Jh ·i. c h a r· n 1: r· IJ :i. n q 1.: u 1: t'! a c: h ~:; c 'i.

H n c e but. do not hc~VE~ Jabs. l can l.:E:~11 h.i.1n ·l·.h,,,, .. , <'~ncl ·r: dill a lol·.: les~:: q u a 1 t f :i e d L h a n D r· . C r· o c k e r· . T l·w r· ~:! di"C;! nol: f'!I'IOUgh l.r:<1bS. Mf~. SPEAI<ER: --------~-· - Ml~. DECKER: :-r·:Ti-ank yo-i:l~ Mr. Spr~akE!I~. It a1J adds up to not: enough f u n d -L n g , M r· . ~3 p <'! 1:1 I< l! r· . SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. 4·2 R22~i3

r~r~. ~3PE()KFR : ThE~ hon. th~::1 ITIEHni:H:!r fo1" S L. John's Eas 1:. Ml~. LONG : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We IAJC"'J.comE:! thE! tn'it:'iat'ive by the m:in·i.st•':!r and IAJ<"1 CE!rta:'i.nl.y applaud the commitment the m'inister has g -l V (:1 1'1 t. 0 d a lj 1 [:·. h c:'l. l 1':. h "i. S I" E~ p 0 Y' t. IAJ'.'i. l. l. be dE!l:iVE!rE:1d in s:ix to Edght months. The ITI 'i. n --j_ S 1-: e I" In i;\ d E:! 1'1 0 r· f;! f E~ r· (,1 n C f~ I: 0 i:ii1Y suppor·-L s t:aff Dr·.

CrockE:H' IAJ:i11 h;:,\vt"1• bljl:. pr·~~surndb1y hc-~ IAJ:i.l.l not-_ be without the necessary resources 1-. o g E:! t t".i'w j o b donE! . ~~ ('! <:·\I" n ,., l ~; o pl. o ''' ~; n d t-. o s E'! r"1 Ulo:d: deputy ministers and officials I~ I" o 1t1 o t h e r· g o v n r• i 1111 e I' I I-_ ckq:> rH' l:J 11 '" n 1- ~; lAd J 1 bE~ :i. n v o J v o d , IAJ h :i c h n 1 C~ kE~ s :i 1: a c r· o s s -.... d H p d r· 1··.1 n E:! n "1-:_ <:·\ l i n tJ f'! s +: 'i. 9 a l-'. ··i. o n . r"' r· . s ~H~ .:\1< (H' I rn:i rd s t· E:11'' - that 1--. (,11"1'f1S 0 f T IAJOIIl.d 1.1Jhro1 n ~; .:-1 y l·.o he says I"Cc!fOrE:!nCO r:~r·r,1 det:er·m:ine the extent of -I': hi'! the p r· o b l.

E~ rn s d n d dE'! 1: ~~ r· 1fl"i. n E'! 1-_ h r,1 c au s E~ o--r problr:1ms, thE! m:i.n'ister must r· c.:! a 1 :i. z t'1 , i. n s t r· ·i. I< ·i n 9 t. h--i. s one-person task force, the p r· o b l E:! 1 n s IAJ -L +: h M a 1:. h a n d S c -.i. 1'::1 n c (~ d r· <"' not unrelated to the other fundalfl("1n-l:.dl. pr·obl.E:!IfiS l·:.hcc! E:!1:1t:i.r•c"1 educat:ional sysl:.em in th'is P r· o v -L n c e 1 s fa c --i_ n g . T h E! y h <:t v E~ 1: o do IAJ:i.th thE!

VE!Y'Y sl:ructure of l:hE! educd+:.:i.ona1 d :if f :i c u J t :i. ("1 s s y s i::\;!111, -.inherent -.in +·.he t:. hE' d •-:! no rrri n a 1: -_:i. o n ''' l. s +.: I" u c 1-·_ u r· r'' o f -~:-. he education sys t em and, of course, i'\S l.he IIICC!Jrlbor· for· l:ho 31"-.r·•'\'i.t of Rld]e Is]~:! s<-:1ys, thr;1 l.acl< of i~ d c-i_ l. i i: -i_ (! S ; ~; 0 Ill H 0 f i:_ h ('! ~; !'! ~; C h U 0 l S ;,\I"(:! I~J:i. t h 0 IJ [·: [-- h P n ~:' C (;! S Sa I" y t:. 0 0] ~; L 0 1-. r;! a c h r-~ a L h ;u1 d ~) ci n n c n p r· o p H r· l y .

May 2t~. 1.988 Vol XL l:i.l<n 1-o Sr:ty l·_hi:·\L .LF Uw tfl"i.n:-J.sl--_(;•r· can take such an in'il::iat'ive and pr'Oifl"i.~;H i:\ Y'OfHH'l-. J.n shor·l~ Oi"dOi" d '~ t-ll i n g IAJ :i l: h M i'.:t t h a n cJ S c -.i E:· n c E· • h H shoul.cl bc-:! dbl.E~ i:o do l·.:he sa1n~;! fo1" literacy. In some ways l:.he pr•obl.E:!ITIS IAii.l-_:h r"'di".h i':\l'ld f)Ci.(c!l'lCU dl"l:O t'ied very clearly to basic pr·obleii'IS of l..i.l:.~'!Y'i:~cy c'~l'lcl iJ.J.:i.tE!racy :i.n soc:i .ety -.-J.n 1-:h-.-J.s P r· o v i. n c E! , 1~.1 h 'i. c h n 1 u s l.: b r;! b r· o u q h t back to thE:!

VE!ry E!cH'1Y st:cl9E!s in which people entered lhe school system. I look foriAJarcl to sornE! coHirn::i.tiTIE!I1t and sorne i.n1 L-L atiue, a new undE!rtaking, by thE! govE•rnlfl(:!nt t.o ciE~i'\J "i.l'l d COiflpi"E'!hE:!I'lS •i.t.Jf" IAJ.:'llj IAJJ.l-.:h thE! probl(;!mS of :i11:ltE!r'acy as a potf~n-1-... i ·~·\l soJ.t.lt -i. on "i. n l. :i. nk ·i nq answers to the probl.ems of Math r>1nd ~)c·i . f:!I'ICf! l:hr:·\1-. IJOI.Inq pr~oplf'! in !:.he Province are facJng. Thank y n 1.1 I r"' I" . s p (! "' k (:! r· . Oral Questions .!~UL __ §_f F. AJ5J_~ : ThE:1 hon. the of l-.hE! Oppos :i.l:-_--i on. MR.

WELLS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . My question is for thci Minister of R u r· a J. • A g I" -i_ c ul 1--_u r· a l. a n d Nor· l-: h ~=! I" n De V E' 1 0 p ITI E! 11 1:. ( M r . P 0 IAJ E! r ) . I cl-j cl hi:~ V ('! S 0 I f1 ~;! 0 f:. h f! r• q 1.1 (;! ~; [·:_ -j_ (l l'l S f 0 I" h -.i. rn Leday, but in view of !:.he s i·--"' i .. _ e1rH:• n'i.: lfk1d r,1 by t·:. he ho n . i:: he Premier I wil1 settl.e for one pal"l:i.cul.dr' qtl~:!si·_-_-ion. 1,~ 0 1.11. cl i: h f'!

In ·i. n -.:i. s +: f! r· I -j_ n 1.-i. q h 1--_ 0 r~ t h a t s t a t:. (~ rn ('! n l: • n o IAI E• x p 1 a :i n l: o t: h E• Hoi .ISf) 1-hc-:! po~; ·i1. ·i . o11 dl-.tr· "i. bul':.ecl 1-_o h:i rn by Lh('! CI3C on Fl"'iclay, l~hat: -j_[--_ I~JdS Uw Si:dl".('!d dirll or NHI~JFouncfland Fnvii"Oponics l:'.u push Lhe Nova ~) c 0 l. -_i_ i:\ g I"() IAJ f! r' ~; 0 I I I: 0 r b 1.1 ~; i. n f'! s s ? No. 4-2 R 2 2 54-

, W o u 1. d he a f f "i. r· m UH:l t UHil t t s no t. a corrr::1ct statement of his posj tion, or at least repudiate the position? MR. SPEAKER: ' 11;~:;--1., o n .--.. -:!: h e A g r··i. c 1.1 J. 1.: 1.1 r· E:! IIE:1VE~loprnent . ~ R.~J~m~f:.: .. Ji: Minish1r ij11'1 cl of Ru1~a1, No l" 'i".h '"! r· n Ml". ~:ipE:1aker·, it '.ls not a cor-r-r~cl: sl:<•1+:E~IIHHIL oF OIH' po~dt·ion. Tl·w coi"I"C'!C'l: statE=!mt::1nt of our· pc,sit.'.ion, ci\\) I Sd i.rl i.n l.l'l'i !; iiOI.IS::! on Fr· ·i.day mor·n:ing citnd was rnE:'nt.ioned in the,, P r· o 1 n -L o r· 1 ~; ~~ -L n .i. s t·. C:! r· i. d J.

S t d t: c,11 no n I: , T just I"E:!iild agd:-i n: ''It. is not: thE:! gouiH'I'IIIH:!n 1'.' s i.n I:.EHI Lion Ol" N E:nArf o u n d 1 a n d F n v :i r· o p o n i c s ' int:E:!n ·t:·i.on l.: o d('!'.'l. i.bor'd 1-'.E=!l.y pr.1·t·. etnyone out:. of busin(!SS. 11 That is government's position. 1'-1 R . S P F. A K E r~ : nw hon' the Leader of the Oppos'it.'i.on . MR. WELLS: I t.uiJ.l assumE! from that tl1at si:al::(-?.ment at:.tr·"i.but .: ed to h-Lrn by t.hE~ CRC did not quote hirn correctly.

Wo ul. d t: h (o! m:i. n t s t (,1 r', oi. n l. i. g h 1: of this, now table the full study fr··o1n IAJh-i ch i':.hE:! rnar·kE=!·I· i.ng pr·ogr·r·llfll'llc,, liJbu; · dE~VE'!loped t:hc:l'l': l.hE~ hon . LhE! Pr·,~rwi . nr· r·r:d::-c,!rTed i:o ·Ln t:h"i.s Ho1.1~;n Jast May? M F~ . ~3 P F. A K F r~ : ThE=! hon. thE~ Min'.ister of Rural, A g t' ·i. c: r 1l. '1: u r' C:! r:·1 1'1 d 1\J 0 r' I: h H r' 1'1 DE'! v e 1 o prrH'! n t·: . Ml~. POWFR: Mt".

SpE!i:lkE!I", I j n 1:. h (! l. d s 1: lAW f:! k or so t h f'! r· r:! d I" f~ i:l n awful. of people, in th'.is Province and out:~;-i.c:k! l.:h·i.s Pr·ov i.nCE:!, lAJho t;loul.d love to see Newfoundland Env :ir·oponic!; f;•l"i 1. G·oi.v"i.ng h i.1n our· rn~rket sl:udy would simple assist SOin~:! of t.ho~;~:! de:1U "i.OUS pE!Y'SOI'IS ·.·i.n 1...2255 May 24·, 1988 VoJ XI... '1:. h c\ ·t:. g o •:'1 J. , a n d LJ.H~ a r· E~ n o 1: g o :i n g 1:: o do it . What LJ.JE! liJ:i.]J tab1E!, Ml".

SpeakE!r', d Y' (~ 1.: h 0 F :i. n a n c '.'i. c:1 J. ~; t d 1': ~~ ITl ~:! n t: s r () r' NE!Wfound1ancl Env'.ir·opon'.i .cs nE:!xt yr:!dY', c'•\nd I;JO i;l:i,l,l, pt···ovo l.:

r) everyone !:hat it: '.is a very S 1.1 C: C C'! S :; f II l, lJ 0 l'l l'. 1.1 I"(:! . SOME HON. MEMRFRS : H (,1 d t' , h n cH' ! ~~r~. ~3Pf()KFR: Thc,1 hon. tht' rnE~mbE!I" for' Wa t:E! I"for·d .. Konrno11n 1: . rJ!f~. GL.li ... LACE: Mr·. Speaker, my qUE!St:ion is l::o l:l'lE:! M 'i. n is t··. I'! I" of J u s +· :oi. c e , ( r"l ~; V e r' q H ) .

G:iven thE! fact that OVE!r thE! 1as L several. years !::here has been considerable abuse of The Lord's D a y A c 1·.: , tAl i. 1 .. h S 1.1 n d i'1 y s h o p p i n q , d n d busJness opening in defiance or t:h(,~ Act, would l::h('! rn i.rl"i. s I :.~ H' assure us that we can look forward to new l.E:!q·i.sl.at . 'i.on bE=!"i.ng put:. 'i.n p'l.acE:! t.o pr·ouide that rE!tai1 wor·kers LJ.Jou] d b (,1 p t" o v "i. d c,~ d tAri. t·. h a t l E:! a s 1:. o n E'! day of rest per week? Mf~. ~>PFAKER: The han. the Minister of Justice. MS VERGE': Mr·;·-.--sj:i" (~-\ !< ~:!

I" ' I: h d ·t: s 0 u n d s l i. k (! a question l.:hat should probably be pr1 1: i',() t:l·w rJl · i . n · i.~; I.!·H' or I i'tbOtlr' (r--k. I'll. d n c h a r· d ) . r~:~. CUI..LACF.: Mt". SpE~ak E:! r', IAiould M:i.n"i.stnr' of l.db011r' likr'! i:hf~ quE:!sl."i.on? MR._ Sf>EAI<ER: t.he hon. 1:: 0 f.'ti'ISIAJf:!Y' ThE! hon. thE! MinistE!r oF Labour . Mf~ . BLANCHARD: Mt'. 5p~~d luH'' s 01'1'1~ '! LIAJO YE!ars ago ther'E' tAJas somE:! aboul:: Ti'H:! ~:)hop Cl.os i.ng No. 42 Ol" l::hr-~'l('! question A c 1'.: 6tncl -~ ·

c ompa I'd.:=! s ~~IC~ r· o l: ,,1 ~' I. 'L ng Uw va]:i.dily of thc'lt Act. Our· act Js ccllJnd ri'Ho! ~:>hop Cl.l)!dng (le-I-_, i'Hlll :i t :i ~' p r· <'! d '.i c c~ t (:! d o n t h e j IH' · i. s d .i. c: L :i. o n o f HH'! P r· o v 'i. n c: r;1 1--. o mak~~ Jc,,g·.i~;]a-L-.ion conCE!rning hou1~~, of lAior· I< dncl J.;,,bour· s·l·.anddr'd!;, t:hdt: typc,1 of l:hing. So1n~:· of l:·.he acts l::h;::~t. hc•\VH b(;1~:1n s t r· :i c b~ n d OIAin in -1: hE! courts , or· a r· <;! u n d (;! r· t (;! s t-. s , a c cor· d :-i. n g 1~. o rn y information, Mr.

Speaker, are basE!d on The Lor·d Dc\y 1s Act and are thought to be u n c: o n s 1--. ;_ t 1 J t. 'l. o n al . 0 u r· A c 1~. , a s i. t stands now, we think will stand 1: h ~=! -1:. e s t. . W <0! d o n o t-. t. h "i. n k 1:: h r-:1 r· <0! is any necessity to do anything about:: ·i.+:. al:: tho pr·osont 1:-Lin(?., based on those facts. MR. CUI. l..AGF: M r· . ~) p e ,,, k 1-~ r· . M R . ::) P ::: A I< F f~ : (.) fj naJ ~>t.lppJ (~ITIE:11'1-l:f..tr•y. MR.

GULL AGf: Would t·:ht:! lfl"i.rdsh:'r' r'\SSIH'f~ 1.1!) l : hi~\ ·1·. neiAI J <-'!g:i :.1 at ion '"d 11 b<-:' put in pl.acn t·.o en!;l.lr'f'! ·t:h.~l: munic:ipalitios, and regions if l:hoy corn<~ l.:o bo, IAJ:i.ll. not·. b(~·gi.vE~n tho option of opting out of l:ho A C 1:: , b II I·· :i. n f d C. 1·.·_ i. t·. !Ad. l.l. b 0 s Ll".ict:J.y pr·ovindaJ. j ur:isd-.i.c lion i;~ncl no opting out·: pr·ov ·i s "i. on allowed at aJ.l by municipalities or rEH_;rLons? MR. SPEAKER: ________ ., __ , __ _ Th.:: hon. the Mj.rd s tE:r of Labour . MR. BLANCHARD : Mr·. Sp0.1akE1r, I .i.l:: cl.Hdr' 1--_hdl:.

Pl"ov-.i.ncj a] thought I just made o 1.1 r· A c 1:·. 1- a k E'! s ·i. n jurisd-.i.ction and i. n c n r'p<H'd l·:.ed lhe l":ight r· t-:: g 1.1 l d L -i. n n !; of' UH~ Act. r"l r· . ~3 p H a k u I" , C .i. 1·. -j_ f'! ~; 0 t' (- 0 IAI l'l S h c1 V f'! t··o make;: Lh<'!'il" OIAin I~Ji. 1: lri. n Uw r r· d fllf'!I.IIO (' k n u t L () TTl y I< n 0 lA I] (;! d g ('! J l'lO COirll'fiUI'li -l.y <H' Ci. l. y May /.4-, 1.9B8 VoJ. XL 0 t' 1: I)I.IH'l out of i'ldlfll·::l.y' 'i.n l.h ·i.s a day ~-)l.ll'ldo.'ly' MR. LONG: M r··-. -·s pe~ · a k <-'! r· . I'-1R.

SPEAKER : P I" o lJ • i. n c r:• of r'l'1 s 1~. h<:\S Po r· op i·.E:!cl IAIEH:! k, The hon . Lho mE:rnbE!t' for St. John 1 s East .. MR. LONG: M1~. SpE1akE1r, today I put.: rny qu(:lst:."i.on r put. t~.o t·:hH Pr'E!S.iclont of Treasury Board (Mr. Simms), Govc,1r·nrnE!1'1i:. l·loUS('! LE'!Eiclf=:r· and President of the Executive Counc i.l., IAiho hi:,,s rno~; 1-:. r'<O!contJ.y aJ.so taken on responsiblity for t: h t:! p o r· 1-: F o l i. o o f 1:. h c:: ~3 ·t- a 1--. u s o r WomE~n.

I c:~sk the rn:i.n:.i.st:E!r, :in h::L~; t:apdCi . l:y d~; •'1 9('!1'11-·lHIIIiHl IAJhorn 1 i'\111 sur·e br·ings a st:rong curnrn::i.-1:-.niE::nl:. l:.o ·I·. h -j :·;; l'l <·:! IAI d t' ::~ r'\

I) f (' f:! !> p 0 1'1 ~; -_-j b "i_ 1. 'i. 1·: 'j , could he give the House an ,:,\~;~;esSlflf:!l'll: uf' l'lHgo'l-.:ial·. ·i.OI'lS IAJ'i. l·:h the fE~delnetJ. gov<o!l~nrnE:nt on t.hE~ VE:I"Y :i.lllfHH' l.o:ct 1'1 1-. 'i. ~; !; II r'! , l·.o IAHH' k i 1'1 q IAIO l'fll':! 1'1 in th:i.s Pr·ovince:, jn pcu·ticu1iH', o n -1: h ~~ :i. s s 1.1 ~~ o F c h i. 1. d c a r· e ? 'f h 0 rrr:i. I'J"i. S i':IH' 1~1 j *1_1. I< 1'1 U IAI 1:: 1·1<,( 1-: I AlE:! h~ve had some discussion in lhe lioLI!>1:1 r·r.~cc,1nl--.l . y, bul-.

I IAiould msk the minister• :if hE! couJ.d spElak l:o L h H c u r· I" <-:! n 1·.: s 1:-. m 1··. u ~; o r:· 1:-. he Province 1 s plans with respect to br·"i.ng--i.ng i.n in·i.t·.·i.al-.i.ves on ch ··i]d car·e? MR. SPEAKER : hon . l.:ho Counc:iJ. MR . SIMMS: Mr. Speaker·, that kind of quE!Sl:.ton 0 b V :i 0 I I S l. y b (! CJ ~; d V H t' 'j l E'! 1'1 9 1.: h 'j response. I was only appotntecl to 1.: h <~ p or· t·.

F o 1 "i. o on ·r h ul" s d .:-1 y pas t·. , r only had Fr·:iday to dE:1lve :inl .. o a l o 1.: u f rn d ·I: t o I" s d e ,:-'1 ·1 'i. n g IAI i 1. h I: h <'' ~3'l..c\'Lus of WornE!I'I, and I hav~:! a filtH! 1·. i_ng 01'1 i"hUI"!>dd'j I'IICJI"i'l j nq IAri i.h No. 4-2 1~2256

t h e P r o v i n ci. a 1. A d v 'i. s o r· y C o u n ci l. o n the Sta·tus of Women, as a matter o f f ;:;t c t , IAJ h t c h .i. s o nl y a n o t·. h ~=! t• d a y or· tt.~.Jo fi"Ortl notAl . I have a] r·eady hcj\d d"i.scuss.Lons on 1-'.h(-:~ 'i. ssuC'! IAI"i.l:.h my colh~ague, thE! MintstE!r of Social Sc'!r·v i.cos (MI". Tobin), I c,;,n tc;!Jl th~:! hon. ITIE!ITlbE!r'. And :in Lh~;1 sa111u g(;!n11 · i.nf~ IAJ<:~IJ '!':hal: Lhi.s government has brought forward l~:!q:i.Sl.<:·l · l:"i.<)rl dllcl d(-:!dJ.I:.

IAJ:i l:h "'i S~ille~; concer·ning worn(,~n, such as the (:! s 1: . .:,, b l :i. ~; hmE! n 1·. oF' ·1: h ~~ ~~orne'! n 1 ~; Po J :i c y Off j c c,~ :i t 5 ~~ 1 f, such as t. h c,! f~Sh•\bl"i.shtrwnt oi i:h::! Pl"O'J:i.nt: ·ii-101 Adv'.isoi".IJ CounciJ on tl·~~~ ~1tat.us of w 0 II IE:! n I s I I c h ,;, !) i. n i l: ·i. .:'1 1.. :i. n g (~ q I.

I c:~ l. pr.J.y fot" tAJOI"k of E:•quaJ vd1tH~, such 61!; ·i.n·:L l·.ir:-1 L-i.ncJ pen!:; i.nn pl.:'tns F'ot• !:Ji:ll" l:··-t :i fllf~ IAIO I" k E! r· s, r.l LJ of 1.1.Jh i c h 1.1.1 i.l.l I:H'! !:1 en('!{~ :i. c t <.·ll to IAIO TJHHl , i. n U1i'lt sarno Wc'l.y IAJE~ IAri 11 continUE! to df:~al !AI:ii: h i::he ·i:ssiH1 of ddy CcH'(,1, wh.ich is a very, very important :i. !; !; 1.1 c.;~ . A n d 1: IAri. 11 t. e l. l. t h c,~ h u n .

ITIE!ITlbE!Y' that I lAJ:iJ.l bt::~ aggrE:!ssiVE! ·i.n dE:~aJ."i.ng IALi.l:'.h i.t., lAIOt'ki.ng IAJ:i.l:h my coJleague the Minister oF Suc"i.al Ser·v :Lct:~s and indc::!t-?.d the'! entire government. SOr::'!E HON .. MEMBeR§_: H c:'! a r· , h o c~ r· ! MR. LO~JG: Mr· . Spc,' a k er· . MR . SPFAI<FH: (1 s u p p l. f'! trH~ n 1:: a r· y I L h n h o 1 1 • 1.: h r~ m~:!rnbE:!r' fol" St. John 1 s Fe:.~~; t. MR...:... . .J· ONC: M r· . s p (~ r'\ k lc~ r· I :i. 11 l) "i. r:!

I.AI 0 r I. h C'! :iriJ't .:ia ·l·:i.VE:!S bi"OUght :in by l:l·1:i.s 11t:i.ni.si·.rH' t~I"Li ·:. h r·nspt'!c ·l·. l:o bol:l1 fh:liJ E'!qu:it:y ar1d t· h~:' pat"t-·-t:irnE:~ pc;!ns:ion pJ.an, IAJht:'('C~ "i.n both CdSe!; I.AI~'! hdlJ~~ ~;E!E:!n ~~l"oup~; oul .. t:.h~:!r·o tAJh:i.ch Fl,!lt l::li(!':J IAJHI"f~ not i:'tt'h!Cjl.lr:-1 l.:r:<l ':J consultc,~d, on Lhe issUE! uf ch:ild car· e , 1..11 'i.ll 1·:. h ~=! 1n 1. n ·1. ~=• 1:. c:! r· g -L v f'! an undE!r·L:ak:i.ng, c:1~; Lhe M::LnJ.st.E!I" r'Ol>pons·i.bl~:! ror· l:.hr:! St.dt:us o·F L2257 May 24·, 1988 Vol.

XL ~~omen, to hold br·o1:1d consul. tat·.·:.i.ons to determine not only the needs For· c h i.l. d car· E:! ·.i. n l.: h 'i. s P r· o v :l. n c E! but to detE!rrnj_nE! thE! agE!nda thc:li .: women's groups and day care advocates in this Province have bn(:!n putl'· .'i.ng fot'IAiiH'd l:. o govr~rrHIH'•nt for somE'! LJ.me? MR. SIMMS: rJJ r· . ~) p c~ '" k u r· . ri!R. SPEr11<FR: ThE! hon . the PI"C;!s:i.dE:!nt of l:he Co11 n t: ·L l. . MR. STMMS: c~~rta:i. nJ.y, Ml".

SpoakE!r', l::hal: lAJOUlcl bo lilY :i.nlJ!nl.: ·ion, ·is i.:hr::1 governrnE!nt 1 s :i.ntE!n'l':.:ion, and JAJas rny p r· t·~ cl t-'! c n s s o r· ' s I.AJ <:-1 y n F d ~=! a l 'i. n q IAI"i. L h matters related to these par•i :: "i.ci.Jlc•1r' J.ssues. To !)i!lY and to suggest that the consuJ.tatJ.ve approach tAJds not used 1 n in i U. at in g t. he e qua 1 pay for IAJO r' k o f E! q u d l. v a l. u \;! -~. s l> u E! a n d t h 1:1 part-time pens:ion issue is not quJt.:e accur;:,ll::c"!. Thc;1 hon. lllE!rnbE!r may JJ.Jish to say thE1re may bE! sornE! out th~H'f~ who di.d nol:.

Lhi.nk !':hal:. con 5 u 1 tat ion JJ.J<:l s ex l: E! n s i v E! ~~no ugh , bul:'. l".o suggest thai· .·. IAJ~:! d ·i.d not consult is not qu:it.:E! accuratE!. In facl·.:, T p(:!r'l>onal.l.y h<,,d rnec'!L-Lnr~s on Lhe equal pay for work of equal V o:lll I C:'! : i. ~; S I I f'! IAJ'.i {.: h t h f'! p r• (! ~; J. d ~:! 1"1 1:: 0 F one of tho major un :ions :invoJ.vecl i. n ·1: h ·i ~,: .l s suP , 1\J A P F , on hAlO o I" thr·c,~c,~ occas:1ons.

So to SdY l::hE:!I"E'! lAid!; no r:on!;J .Il. l·.dl:ion i.!; i.ncoi'Tect:.; IAJ~~ doicl consul!:, IAie d:id talk about:: i 1. 1 I cl ·i.ri y .L 'JH l·.i·H:!III r.Hl .-i nd:-i.ca ·l i.on o F IAJ hat 1..11 c,, 1..11 f~ I" c,, L I" y J n g ·t. o cl (, . ·r h \o~ ~;,:Hilt'! i·:.h.i.ng •:lppl i . t~!; ·i:o i::l'll:! gr'O UFJ S invoJ.ved in the :issue, so that IAJOIJ-Id bu ;:·l b "il. of an unf:a ·i.r· Cl":i'i':.j.cJ.sm t:o rnakE!.

But I t.lndc- : !r·~; i:l:'lncl i.F I he hon. rnE:!Irtbf:!l" IAJants to make:• it: he'! can rnake :i.l::, b u +·. ·i. t. -L s no 1:: g o t n g 1.: o h u l" i:. u s l.: o o much, JJ.Je ar'E! not. go:ing l:o CI"Y OUf'!r' l':ha t·:. No . 4-2 R 2 2 ~.i 7

H OIAJC! IHH' , l: o U·w g 1.1 1- s oF 1-1 L ~; qu~,!~;t·.i. ons, y~~!;, IAH:! IA.r.i.J.J consul-t: IAJ"i.l.h l:hn 91''t)Up!; Jnuol1Jr-~c:l, ncd.Ui"d] J y, bE:!Caus~1 that·: -.is t.l·w way "i.n 1~1h·ich 1-1-li.s gov~n·n1nnnl: optH'dho!S d 11 d , :i n f 1~ c t , IAJE:! havE:! donE:! j t d l rot-:! d d y I [ 1.1 n d r,n· !) I' rHI d I () n L h i. !) pdl'·tj cu]dl" issue,~ thr·ough thE:• n :~ p <.H' -1". HW n 1: o r:~ ::J o c-i.t.·1 l s e r· v ·i. c n !i . Mf~. LONG : A fj naJ supplE!lTIE•rlt:i:H'Y. MR. ~3PEAI<ER: A flnal supplementary. MR. LONG: Mr.

SpE:!aker, to thE! mjnister agatn, . i.i~ -Ls actual1y w:it::h soJne urgency that I ask the minister about the questton of child care, not to suggest that a long process bt'l l:.ai<e'!l'l t-·o consult.... Mr·. Sp~~;:-1i<~:·r· , J IAIOUJ.ci ]j_i<E:! to dSk thE! m:l.ni~;t;E~r i. F ·L n c o n s ".i. d r-:! r· .i. n g h ·i s n r-:• 1~1 J"E~spons:i.bj]'it.'.i.es as MJ.ni!;t~~~" I~Hspon~;tble for· i·.he~ ~:il:dl:ll!; or· WonJe'ln, g:i.vE:Hl hj ~; OIAII'I busy ~H'!I''sonal i:Hld poJi.

L·i. cdl. c:\(jfHHJd, IAJt)l.lld ho StH~ t·o :i.t t:hc1t thl'1 WomE~n's Pol ~icy Offi. cc:• br-~ glv::•n r'H!lOUI"t:r)S, dbOtJt~ a n d I:H:! y o n cl IAI h a t h 1:1 ~; 1~ 1 r· (,! d d y b E~ E'! n E:! d r'Uk\ r· k t~ d "i. n t·: h ·i s y f:• r:'l r· 1 ~; cur' r· u nl: E~St:irnai.E:~S, to i:ll]OIAI l:hPlTI, :in FHH' L ·i. c: l.ll .• u' I 1:0 !·. d k ~:! 1: h ('! l'lt-:! r: ('! s ~; r•1 r· y :in:it'iat:ivE~s on U1E~ issur:~ of choi.J.d c iH' ~=~?

T 0 r I" C:! e up ·1-.1-H:! lil:i. rl'.i. ~; l'.r'! r· from his other many r· o s p o n s 'L b i l i. -t: 'L e !> , "i. s L: h r::1 1r1 :i. n -L s t·:. o r· committed to expanding the actual - PREMTER PFCKFORD: A point of order, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: A potnL of or·clc;•r·, LhE:! hon. t· .. hE~ Pr'E!ITI:i E:1r. PREMIER PECI<FORD: I t .h::i.nk this j s l..hr::1 hon. rnumbE:!r' 1 s F.indl V~H'Y I fac L, supplunleni :dr'y VEH' Y 1ong. As d !> .:-1 r· 1:1 s u ll: of Mc~y .?.4., 1988 dnd L1-. "i.!; a rnattE•I" of !>OJIIH of yoi.IJ" Vo1 XL r· u l oi. n g s l d s 1: ~~HHd< , ~k . ~)pHd I< u r· , T hdV~~ SpE~I'lt thE!

I.I.JE!E!k~~nd I"E:!S(;!C":IY'Ch:ing '1: h i. S lfld i·. i·. E! t', I~Jh r:·\ i·. h d !:; h i;1 p p r:;! 1'1 E:! d 0 V E! r· L h ~~~ J. aS t: S E:! V E'! I" a 1 l.l..IE! (;! k ~; , C\ n d T IAJi.l 'l br,~ l:t:~b'l 'i_ ng l'.OIIIOr'r'OIAI, as pc:-tr•t:·. of rny poJnl": . of Ol"dE:!I" to bE'• enlat'•::JHd upon i:OHior· ·I"CliAJ, f~Xi'llflplr;·~; of IAJhE~I" E! :i.n Lh:.Ls House, s :.L nCE! :it.. (lPC'!i'lf:•d l.h:i. s ~:ipr ·· i . 11g, que~ :; i·.'i.o n s hc::t~J\'! be E! n J o n g e I" t han i\HI ~WHH' s .

T h ('! r· E'! h i:-1 u r-~ b f'! on 1na n y q u ~=~ s L: ·i. on~; i\1 s k u cl t h a t h cl v o b P E! n 1 o n g E! r t·; h a n a n s IAI o r· s <.:J'.iiH!'i'l, and 1::1-l'i.!; ·is a pl" -i.I'IIE:! (;!Xdlflpl.E! noiAJ of lAihat is occurr·:ing r.d:. thE:! pl"e,~sE:•nt:. rnornE~nt:. Tl1e l·1on. ITIC'!i'llbE:!t' has a] I"E!ady had tiAJO quE1st:i.ons, and on a f i nal supplementary he shou1d bE• VE1ry brtef and to the pooint, b c;! c au s ~~ n OtJ.J h ~ =! t s z C.;! r· o "i. n g r· ·i g h t. in on what it was he I.Aianted Lo ask in h j _ s f' "i. r· s t. q u E~ s 1.: -:i. o n "i. n a n y c ;:~ ~' C'! .

I think it is incumbent upon thJs 1-lous::• t:o ensur·f'! !.:hat ··. IAJI·wn 1.1H:1 geL to Lhe final supplementary stago l".hdi: hori. lrlf~lnbei"S iH'f'! ~;hoJ"1: ;-:;tnd Lo Lhe point, and that mJnisLers, d -~_ s o , :i. n t·. h H · i r· r· f~ ~; p o n s : :1 ~:; .:,, I" H s h o r· 1:. ctnd to the point. MR. SPFAI<f:R: To t·.hr'li: ptli.nl: or Ol"dr:•r', T c\gr·r:·f'! IAri t h thE:! h on . t h c,' PI" co~ rrl'i. E•l" . I l.~oJa s r'l!:lOI!i Lo c:hnck l.hc:! l'lli::'Jril:lt·H' on OI'H:• Ol" two occasions, but hE! ~;E:!(!ITIC'~d t.o j I I s L d !) k r'l q u C! s l: -j (l n rHH:I k (' e p ~:!Xpdnci-.ing it.

So I ask h·.:i.1n t:. o ask h ·i_ S F "i. n d l ~; 1.1 p p l f'! l'fl H n ·i:. i:'l I'' y U E'! t' y bi"J.ef.ly·. MR. LONG: Thank you, Mr . Sp('i:lkc-;!r . Sorn~'tirnE•s a rn:inister J.ooks !AJ i-t. h a qu L7..z-:Lcal eye;1 l·:o t.·.he quc'!S t .. ·Lon dnci you cH'E! trying to E:1xpJ.a-:i.n J.t a~; quickly as you can. r:'!..[L_ .. ~_p E..!lK~J~ . : Ol"dE'!t', pled ~> E:!! MR. LONG: Mr. Speaker, my quest.ion I'J'I :i. 1'1 i ~; i ·. H t' i. <; IAI i .. , "!, h t:! ~; H H 1·. 0 No. 4-2 Lo I; hE! .i. l: th.O\ t.

L h e W o lfHH1 ' s Po 1. 'i. c y 0 f f ·i. c ~ ~ 1'1 E! C E! S S a Y' y Y' (:~ S 0 U Y' C E! S t 0 d 0 wi lh particular reference issue of child care? MR. SPEAKER : .. _._ -·-- ThE! hon. lh~~ Counc i.l. MR. SIMMS: Yes, Mr. Speaker . MR. DECI<F.f~: Mr· . Spoc•\bH' , Mf~ . SPF.AKFR : has :its 1:. 0 of Lhe job l:.he Th~:! l1on. thE! rnernbc~H' fol" th(~1 St.r·a:i t or:- flnll.r:! Tsl.c:1. MR. DFCJ<FI~ : My q u <~! s l. :i o n :i ~; t o t h E:! h o n . Mi. n J s I: (;• r· of' :::: n v 'i. r· o n rn r~ n +: d n d I. d n d s (1'-11".

Ru!>!>E!]l). l he lll"i. n i . s 1'. r:! t' -i, :; al~li\\ r· H 1·.: h"' 1·:. n 01.11 t.:hr..l L tho s notAl i s gonE! thE!Y'e J s a r· .. i.bbon oF glass fr'UIII ~ : n.: . John's l:.o St. Anthony, on both sides of Uw r·oad. I ask i:·.hE! 1ni.rr.i.st. c-?.r': Dor;!S hE! have plans to address this envir·on1nent.al. probl .(;!Jfl by bann i.ng the non - returnable soft drink bottle? MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. thE! M:in ·.is t:E!r of E n v i r· o n rn ~~ n 1... m n d 1.. a n d s . MR. RUSSFL. L.: Mr'. Speak~H', I 1.11as out for· a Jn-i. nul .: f:! ·H1d J di.d noi· ·. cp ri.i ·.r,~ gf:!L d-11.

Ll1~:! que~>l:i.on, buL I gath<"!l" Lh~:! qtH!•; 1: ·ion ·i !) , "Do lAir:'! hdVC'! t!lny p"l.dns lo barr non -·-r·etur'ndblco' bott:Jes?'' I!; Lhdl : l:hn g ·i.s'i'. of thr:~ qi.IO!; 1: i. on? Ml~. DFCI<FR : Yns. M I~ . f~ Wi~l F: 1.1.. : Ml". SpHr..lkE~l", l:.h (:~ I"E~ :i s a b:it of conu:•r·n ou·l : 1· ~ 1'1UJ"c,~ <:\botli·. :·.he bot.1:1c,~s c-::~ncl th:ings that:. ar·o bc;!:i.ng 1... 2 2 ~)9 May 211., 1.988 Vol. XL on r·oadways, -i.n parks, in the forests, (-?, V ('! Y' y IAI h ('! I" (~1 E! l. !> (,~ . 1:. hC'! and I can say to thE! hon. rn~: ·rnber, Mr. S p ~~ d 1«,~ I" , l: h a 1:.

IAH;! h ;:·w f:! g a l-.i'H'! r· E! d a lot of information from soft drink c ornpa n'i. r-:! s ;:\nd F I" o rn i. n '1:: c,) r· E:! s 1:: f~ d gr·oups IAiho have wr i tLen u~ c:!xprc-~ss i.ng i'.:h~:!'i.r· cuncf:!r'n t:·\bou·i·. i l':. All I CfH1 SclY to tiH! hon. rn e rn b E:! r· a l·: 1: h C'! p r· ~:! s f~ n -1: t..i. ITH'! , M r· .

Sp~:!a·kE!r', is that: thOI"E:! :is !>ornoUl'i.ng i . n t-.i'H'! sy!>l ... f:!l'rl Fr·o111 111y department with some I''U COiflrrl( ·jl'ldo'li: 'iOIIS 'i:IV'tl.: hopt'!ru l ly ~overnment and Cabinet will deal 1~1i 1·. 11 in i:hc'! nul : · i.oo -.. c:l "i.~; i :<:Hll: fut:ur·E~, and whE!n t:haL j s dea.l.l .. IAI'i U1 T '~' oi. 'IJ. be i. n d l:w 1:: i"fH' position to make known whaL the govc,,r·nmPn L has c:Jr-:!r::iciHcl. Mr~. DECKER : A ~; u p p 1. r-~ 1 n f'! n l.: c:-1 r· y , fVJ r· . s p ~'! a k ('! r· . MR. SPEAKER: A supplE!i'riC'!ntal~y, lhE! lrlelnbE!r ·for· l : hf~ S I·.:J"i\\ i I ~ Is] e. M ~-.:....J?

E C K -~B. : hon . 0 r-:- l.h€:! BC'!lle Could t:hc.;! hon. 1n:Lni s hH' be-?. a little more specific? ShouJd we ~~XPC'!cl'.·. to SHf:! an announc~~rnf:•nt:. bt:!forE! this SE!SSion of Lhe HouSE! C}r)Sf:!S, Or' IAJ "i.:J.1 ·il. be SOirJ~~(··i rne tAiithin the I1E!Xt couplE! of y~:!ars? This pJ"obl . f~lfiS ·i.s ur·gunt . Hnough l:'.o know IAihE!I'l hE! oi.nt:.(:!nds to 'Lake ·:·\ c l: -j on on ·i. :·. rJJ r~ . s P F r'l I< Fr~ : The-?. hon. the,' M i. n : istf~l" of r:i·1v ·i.r·onrnnni'. di1c:l l..r:HH :I!; . MR. RUSSF LL: rJJr·. Spr:'r'\kt:1r', T do no ·l·. ki'IOI.AI Hxacl:'.l.y '"'h~~n l::h~:!

Cab:i ne l:: , IAI:l th al.l l::hr:! u i : h n t' t.lri. n g ~; , in r: J u cl i 1 HJ 1:'. h '.i. s , u n :its v e r' y busy agE! n cl a, woi 1] g e l: L o t.h · i_~;. f: I~IOII.Icl l.ikH !:0 haVE'! l.hE! ITt at:. 1':. f:~ r cJ (;:a 1 t: IAI'.i. t: h 0 1'1 E! IAii:l y 0 I" 1:: h (! No. tp R22 1:i9 .. .... _.- "'::::~

other before the House closes. If 1·: h H L ·1. ~; so , t·. h '~ n l IAJ'.i.l J. c c;! r· ·1: a 'i. n l.y Jlldi<E! knoiAJn l.o Li'll':! hon. rnornb~H·s IAJh;:~l: l:h('! dnc ·i.s··ion ·1. s. r: r·r-~H .. l.l.y cannot b8 more specific than thr•1L. T hupn ·i 1'. ·1.~; sonrHH' t'dthnr· t l1an ] ale I" . MR. Cll..f.lfln : 1'-11" . ~~pPaker· . MR . SPr: ()I<E.R : Th(:! hon. Lh(~ Jrletnbor For· BI.IJ"9E:!O R01y d 1 F.spoJr·. 1"1R. GILBERT : M r· . S p ~~ a k c,~ r· , I h <:<1 v ('! q u C'! s 1:. J. o n f o r· the Ministe~ of Forest Resources (Mr·. R. AyllAliH'cl) .

I l:: lAid s r· Eq:J o I" U! d +.: h <:1 t. t I'H'!r' (:~ IAJi~\ s a de1ay in Cl IAJater bornbE!r assigned to a forest fire in Goose Bay ::i nvolvc;!d get l:oing there on Friday, May 79. NUIAJ, L.h"i.s df~l.i'1Y IAJas caused, supposedly, due to l:he Fa c 1:. 1'. hat. 1.: l·w IAI'~' t. <:! r· !:1 o 111b t:! I" 1~1a s (?.Oiployecl :in conVE!y:ing privab~1 car·go. Would l". ho m:i . rdsh~r· r:onf.ir•rn ·t hrAt t:h:i s !Alas JndtH!d thc,1 case? Also, i.s "i.'l'. govnt'nlllc~nl: pol.i.cy 'l:o lii'!(JE!

IAii'.d t:!l" borni:HcH'S :invoJ.vc,~d j 1'1 cdr· r· y 'i. n q fl r· ·i. t; d 1·. r-:! c ''' r· go clu r· ·i. n g 1·. h ''! f i I"(~ -F :i g h t :i I' I g s e d s o n? MR. ~3PFAI<U~ : :r !1 (:! h o r' . L h e M j rd s l:·. (H' o f F o I" t:' s L l~f'! sour· c r:! s . Ml~. R. A'fU~AfW: No , M r· . S p (:1 a k E:H' , i L was not pr·i .v;;,l:. f! car·go. 1:1:: t~k1S nor·1rial. car·go Lhat t.~.Jas I'IE!f:!dE:.d in thE! Goose Bay i:tr·r:!d For· r•c;!gU]dr' l'lld.i.ni'.Hnanc(:! on thE:~ IAJat.c'!r bornbE!r's, as t:hE!Y s'lcly up 1:·. h (H' (:.

F cw 1'. h <'! f "i.l" (;! f ·i g h t. 'in g season for the rest of this year. Mf~. FFFORD: Mr' . Spr,1akEH' . MR. SPFAKER : fhu hon. Lh<'! rnc-:!rnb('!t' fur· Por· ·l: dc-:! I 2/.60 May 24, 1988 Vo] XI.. Gr·ave. SOME HON. MEMDERS : Oh, oh! ~~~~. ~3PFAI<ER : Or·dE~I", pJ c;!aS,,!! ~11~. FFFOI~D: Ml". SpE~akc;!r', rny quosl::'.i.on J.<; l..o l::hE'! h o n . 1'. 11 c.:! r~ :i. n :i. ~; 1: P t' o f H ('! <:'! l 1.: h ( D r· . Collins). I r'E!FE!r to f.l copy or a l.r.:!I-.1-.·Hr' l:h;:d: '•'""~' ~;nnl': l·:. o l.ho minister by Dr. J.L. Patriquin, 0.

D., fr'OITI Cor·111-:!t' Br·ook, M;,,y :1.9, in which he stated very cJ.early fh!!tl:. i':h('!lj r'Pql.IC'!Si::l;!cl ITief:!t'i.ng~; IAJ''i. l:h the M:in:istE !r of Ht~a1th conu!rn'ing 1·: h c·:. c 1.1 l:. b a c k i n c a r· f:. F o r· v "i. s J o n o F the chj]dren and the people oF Lhis Province, where l:hey r E! q u E! s lE! d a m C'! Ed: i n g , p r :i. o r t.: o t. l·w budge;!!': cul·.·.s and ~;i.nc(:. l:.ht:! buclqc'!t. cuts, and thE! .mJ n·.is~t:.E!r' ha s no l'.: r:'\ (~ Y' (;;!('! d 1:0 Ill(~('! 1-. IAJ:·i. ·1·: h i··. h H I'll , MR. SPEAK.J:R: Or·der·, please! MR.

EFFORD : Wo u l. d 1-. h n rn i. rl"i s I r-H' co nf·i.l"l'll 1·.·. hal:: ·t.h:is is :indt:!ed a fac L, of l:.hE:• i·.r·u l.h? Ml~. SPEAI<Ff~ : ·nw h 0 n . 1: h !';! rJJ 'i.n 'i, s h~ I" !) r H f'! d 11'. h ' Dl~. COI. LT.NS: Mr. Spedker, apparenl:J.y the o p to 1 n f'! i:: r· ·i. ~; 1'. s o F l.I · H~ f> r· o v ·i. 1·1 c (! h r:'t v E!

SOrTIE' iSSUE!S qu :i'l.:E• apar·t fi"'OITI l::hE• po -L n l: i':h.~l'l: IAk\ S ·i.n I.: he:! buclqc :! 1.: , iHld tl'wy IArish t:o br•jng thos~:! fortAJard , and T h<'\Vc~ i.nd ·i.c al·:(:!d i.·.o Lhu1n l::hi:'!l:. they should br·ing UHWI f'olniAJard :i.n Lht:. fot'l.llfl oF a rnf:•c;!t'i.ng IAI"i.l::h ofFicials in the department to have Lhese processod, and they IAIOUJ.d, as J.s nE!CE!SSary br•·ing ti'l('lll 1-. o l'.·.h(~ rn"i.ni.si: ·.P r' 1 S a ·l·:tc:!n·l·ion. MR. EFFORD : M r· . ~:; p f~ "' I< t;! r· . No. 42 R2260

MR. ~:) P EJl KEf~: A SUp p J BIWHli:.a r' y . MR. EFFOfW: In ol:h<'!Y' IAJor·ds, Mr·. Sp~~akc;!r', t.I·H'! rnJrd~;h'H' wtll not agl"tHo! to a meeting. The commlttee of Surgeons al the Health Sciences C E! n L r· l'! , IAJ h: i. c h i n c l. u d ~:! ~; e1 n opthalmo]ogist on that parLicular board, has asked For a meeting with the minister. Will the min :-i. s t·. c;! r· t ~~ l.l. 1:: h .i. s 1-1 o 1.1 s e ·if he has agl"tH!d or· cL.l sagr·c,H~d l::o ITH:!et at the r· r:~ que s 1-: of t.l'w Sur· g f:! lHl s C onnn:i. 1:: i:fH~ of t:hE!

Ht~all:h Sc:i~~nCE!S Ceni::r'E! to c J. r-~ r·\ r· ly s 1: ,:,, l. r-:! 1:. h ~:! \J H I" 1J ~; ''! r· 1. o 1.1 s problems l:clking place at the h () s p ·i. L ,,, l b (·~ c d 1.1 s n 0 r I:H:! d c; .1. 0 !; 1.1 t' (~ s ar1d tl·~~~ lack of op~~r·at.ing Fa c .. i. l ·i. L '.i. u s ? r~ I~ . :'W r.:: A Kl': l~ : The hon. ·the;! M:'i.n:is I:.~H' o·F HE'!alth . . Q.B~. c Q.W. !~!.!?. : Ml". ~::;fJOi:tkE:!I", I uJOuJ.d hopE:~ that Lhr:1 h on . I fiCO! rrii:HH' IAIO ul. d l'fld k C'! Uw p o i. n i.: he is tr·ying to dr·jve at. If he t s 1:. r y :i. n g 1: o d r' .i. v E~ a t. 1:: h ,,, p o ".i. n t t.hat.

COI'lCE!rns shouJ.d bE! E!XpY'E!SSE!d o v c:! r· t:. h E~ o p c,~ r· i'l 1·.: i. o n of t: h ~~ hospil:aJ., I have to tE!ll hirn that l:.hc'! lAJay thai: "i.s clorH:! ·i.s thr·ough the administration of the hosp ·i.t:.al., l:.hc,, 1nanagc:~rnE~nt·. of i.:hE~ hospital.. They are responsible f o r· r· u n n -i. n g 1·:. h (2! h o s p :i. t d 1. f o r· ·.i. t s various operations, and that is l:: hE! Lumy i.t is done. NOIAJ, "i. F h~'!

I~Ja n I' s l::o k no1~J t F T l .. i'\ l. k lo docl·ol"~;, I can t:.E!]1 h'irn, yc"~s, 1 1·.: a l. k L o d l o 1: of doc hH' s . (h; d rnat'l'.·~~~" of fact, I an1 go:ing to La1k I: o s o u H r· <'\ '1. h u n d r· f'! d ~; o F c:l o c i: o r· s I.IJ:i~; lAJPf!kt'nd lAihC"!n I fll('!("'''· lAJ'.'ith t:I'IE! NMA. :;or lllf''f'!l: tAri.'l:h clnci:ot·~; , ·~ll. 1· !·, E:! t·. :i n 1 E'! , :r F t· h o !·1 o n . rn ~:! rn b C'! I" h H s i·\ p d I" 1· .. i. (: 1.1 1 <'\ I" p

C) i. ll I·. J T lAJ. i ~; h h C:! I~Jo u J d b I" J n g :i 1:· o u I. . I F t h c"' p o :in t .i•;, dons Uw ho~;p·i.l: .• d. l.AJdnl: l'o Ldlk Lo us about. thE:! opE~r·al . :ion of thE:! 1..2261 Vol XL h 0 s p :i. I ~ .:-\ l. I l s "' y 1:: h f~ lj r:l 0 :i. 1:: d ll I: h (" timE:!, and uJe do it: :in i'.:hE! pr·opE!I" For· 11111 , -L . E:! . , lAJ E:! 1n t! E'! 1·. lAI'.i t:. h 1'.: h E• administrator and sometimes we l'IIQOI:. lAri.t:h t:l'w boar·d rnerni:H:!r's. Ml~. EFF08..Q: A final supplementary, Mr . Speaker. Mf~, SPEAKER : A f:i.nal. suppl.E~IrH~nt.,u·y.

MR. ·EFFORD: ---·-----· · .. -1 ask thE~ rn:inis I::E!r vr:'i"Y cJ.E!i'U"ly, b c·:! c a u s ~~ d p p a I" H n 'i:.l.IJ 1'. h c:! M -L n ·i. !; 1·. H r' of HE!alth cJj d not: und~:!r~; l.:ancJ thE! Cji.IE:!~;l:i.on, hr>~~ :; hn r· r-:![7 U!;ecl lflf!ol· ... i.nqs lAI'.'i l h 1:. h E! S u r g E:HHl s C on md. 'L L l=~ c:! o f ·t l·w lif~d ' l.1:h ~)c:i . r~nc::es c~:!ni'.l''(:! and l:lle OpLoniE:~tl"isl'.:s ComrnJ.LLr;!l'~ of the f>t•ov ·i.nt:c·:!? Hd:> hH r'l:!l-ll~ :;::! d Lo lflf'!E'!I:·. lAJ:i t h U I 1'::' rrl? Go u n MR. SPEAI<Er~: ThE! hon. the M:i.nistE!r of Hea1 Lh, DR.

COLLINS: :r.· ·· --;~Tr;; c:t d y-a·n s IAJ <'! r· c;! d 1'. h o s C::! quos t. :i. on s . thE! member· For Mf~. 1<. AYLWARD: I have a question for Lhe Minister oF l:he Env .. i.r·onrn~'!l'li'. . . Tl:·. concei"I"'S the storage oF PCBs in lhe Pr·ov:i . I'ICl:'. l lAIOU-1 d l. i.kc:! l'.:n knolAJ what his department's policy on 1: he s I:O I".:-\9 H 0 r PC R !:; ·i. n Lh r:! Pl"OVJ nCE! in var:ious locat ::Lons, and ~; p r,~ t: ·i. [7 ·i_ 1: ;:,Ill. I) :'3 ·i·. C'! ph(! l'1 \) ·i. 'j "I 0 . iAJ 0 Ill. d l':. h~~ m:inJ .s tC'!Y' g:l.VE'!

US i!l I"BPOI"l .. as i'. (I 1: h (! ~; hH' r:•\ g (~ () 17 p c n ~; "i. n Hw ~:;'L~~ph~:!nv:i.]1E:! ai"E:!a, lAJher·e l::hl'!I"E~ J. s ~;1.1pp0~)1;!C:I i:O hi-IVC'! br:!H I'I 1.'1 qdi:ht '! l" 'inq up of f>CBs From a uarieLy of ..:~ r· r~ •'I ~:; , p 11 L :i. n 1:: h n on H 1 n c a 1.: ·. i n n? No. tp R226l .,

And there was also suppOSE!d have been ~ report donf~ un couple of rivers. MR. SPFAI<EI~: 0 r· d n r· , p l f'! d s C:! ! MR. 1<. ()YUtJ()IW: :r i:!Sk could tl·~~~ rn:inist.f :! l" g:iVE:! l"f:! !>pons 1:! Lo t.ho s ~~ qun •; t-: ·i.o 11~;? Mf~. ~3PL()I<Ff~ : ThE~ hon. of ::: n v t r o l'llrtt:! n L . Ml~. Ru::;sru_: to LhE! Ml". SpE1akfH', I do not haVE! a11 the l.oc<:'l'l·.:i.ons al:. tny Fi.ngPr't .. i.ps, bul:. T do not th:ink the:~re arE! very many, j 11 s +: t·. he s a Jrl C:' , IAI h e t' (! PC B s are s Lored. I understand therE! ar·e s o 1 n c;! s 1:'. or· f:! d a t. Goo s t->.

Bay and L 11 E! r' 1·:! may ·indeE!d bE! somE! stor~1d at Sl::ephenvil.le. They are checked, as I understand, on a regular basJs, and I hav~:! not. I"HC~~-Lvf:!d mny r·e:1por·ts f1"om any officials in my d t;! pcH" r.IIW n t. ·t. 1·1 d i:·. 1·.·. h ~'! r· e d l"f'! d n y problems. One of the problems, rJir· . S fH:~ a k e r'. t n g e 1-. I. ·i. n g r':i. d t·~ oF PCRs :is thc,1 i:'"!chno]ogy r'E:1quir'E:'d to bur·n l.:heHI <H' l·o ck!str·oy l-.1-lf~lll ·i.n o t h~~l" IAJays.

I under's Land that t h r~ r· u -i. ~> o nl y o n H p r· o v "i. n c e :-i. n Cal'li'.ldd IAJhJ ch hc~s !":he techno]o~H cAl:. l·:hn pt'f:!!>f~ni'. l: ·i.111::! Lo bur·n or:r PCI'!!;, i'll'l d t hi~ t. :i s 't h ~~ p r· o v ·i 1'1 c (,1 of Ali:HH' l:d' .. lhE!Y r'H'U ,, hH'f'!CI undi,H' uery strict cond:itions and r'r:!gul .dl:.-i.uns r::tnd T. ,:-11n nnl: r:'ti)Jr:o1r'H of di'IY PI"Obl E'!Tfl5' ,f"if<. i<. rHi..WnfW: M I" . S ~H~ d k E:' r· . MR. SPEAI<FR: A s u p p l e m c·:! n l:. a r· y , I: h f:! h o n . member For Stephenville . MR. K.

AYLWARD : ------ .. ~ .. ,._,. ______ w_ I IAJOI.tl.d ask i.:hc,1 lrt-Ln-Lsl.('!r could check :into that b E:! C a U S E! t h ('' Y' E:! h <:-\ V E! b (;! ('! n t:ho if h!::~ rnattc,~r !;OIIIC:! L2?62 May 24, 1988 Vol. XL concerns h 0 r:•1 l. 1:. h c o n c ~~ r· n ~' 'i.n h:i s Also, is c o 11 s :i. d CC! r· ·i, n g destr·uct :io n I': he-:• u noi. t~ s to mE! abouL l.:ht'! i:'ll"('! <:~' dep<:~r· LmE! n l.: uF lrtOb ".i.l.t:1 :i.n t.h·is f> r· n lJ i. n c H ? A n u rn b n r· u F o L h t'' r· p r· o vi n c E! ~; d r· l'! now 1 o o k :i n g at. L h t-:t t. Few U~::! dosl:r·ucl:ion or PCIJs.

I would 1ike to know if lhe llt:i.n ·i!;I'.Hr''s ciHprH'1 ... trlonL 1, :; 'louki.nq at this matter and if Lhey are go ·i. ng l:o hr>1v t'! <.-1 cl u c ·is ton on l:: h"i. '' matter in the near future? MR. SPEAKER: ------·----·- Th(,~ hc)n. l.hf:! . M:i.n"i.s l.:c::r' or Environment and Lands. MR. RUSSELL: Y e s • M r· . ~3 p f~ '" k n r· • IAH:! a l o n g IAI'.i. l h other provinces are looking al:: rnoboi.l.c;! t·.ochnol.ogy dncl 111ob"i.le uni.t·.~:: t·:o gE!t rid of PCBs. I can c1SSUI~E! Lhr:! hun. JrtOirtbHI" t.ha 1-. l:.hei"E:! hds bE!E!n no ciE!C'ision maclr:! on Lh:i~:: a~; y (;! ·1... .

C 0 r' t a i. 1'1 p ·'i, E'! C e ~; 0 r l.. h i. ~: E! q u i p llll':! n t • a s I u n d E~ 1~ s t .. a n d ·i t· .• h a v (! l'l 0 1". b {-) r~ n !) r r .i. c :i. d ll y c e I" !" .. i F -L H cl for USE! 'in bur:ing ofF or· g(;!tLing r· ·i. d () F p c fl s ' a 1'1 d I <) r c

C) u r' ~; E~ I u n !. "i. l t hr.-:t t is donE! IAJO a r·t,' no l.. 9 ooi nq t:.o h .:~ u f;! i·\1'1 y 1'. h :'i. n g i.·. o cl o IAJ ·i. I h ·i 1·: IAJhatSOE:WE!Y'. MR. SPFAKFR : T h C! h on . I. I H'! rn urn l:l C:! I" I~ u I" ::; i: . [\ •'~~'' I:H~ . r~r~. FUI~FY: Ml". SpE:~akE~r·. I helVE! a CJUE:!stion fol" UH~ r-'l'.i. n ·j !) h'!t' 0 f F

I) r· f:! s -1: R !'! s 0 1.1 r· (::c'! s ' Lclst WE:!dl'lE!Sclay and Fl"::Lday ·.:L1·1 LhE· iiousr:! I as kod i.:he 111 i.11 i . ~, I::E'!r' IAJht·:! i .. her- hE! hdS Y'(;!C(;!:iVf'!d r'E!COrrtiTIUI'ldclL:ion~; f r' o rn t. h e P ~~ s [·:. :i. c :i. cl H A cl v-i. s o r' y B o a r· cl recommending SO per cent use oF B 1:. , a n d o n b u 1.: h o c c a s i. o n s I: h t'! minister sa:l.d hE• had noL. l I;.JOIJJ.d 1. 'i. k e L. o as k 1: he 1n i. n -L s l.·. e r· 1:'. o cl c:~ y whether he has recejued LhaL boar·d' s i"f~C!lllllflf:!l'lddt".i . on of us"i.ng ~:,o per cent Bt in the spray programme i: h 'i s y r:! d r· ? T. (-' h P h <:,, s r' E'! c E~ i u f'! d l:: h co• No. 42 R2262

r·o c oHnnr.Hld .:·11: ·i. on, t)Jhl.'l ·1: i'l c 1: ·i.o n t)J'i. ll J·, e t cl k E:! to E:1 n sur·(! that: I. hE~ y a r· E! c i:1 t' r· i. f'! d u 1.1 1.:? MR. SPF.:AI<El~ : TI'H'! hon. ·Uw M'.i.n:i.s i::co1r of ForE!St R Ei! ~; o u r· c o s . MR. R. AYLWAf\D: No, Mr. Speaker, I haUE! not: re c c;d_ u c-:1d such a r'E! comrrH~ ndat.'i.on . MR. FUREY : Mr. 5peai<E!r, 1.: h Co1 M:i n·i. s 1·: e r· Lands. 1'-1 R . 5 P Ull< E R : a supplementary to of Enu 'i.r·onrnc;!nt and A st~ppJ E:1men'Lai"Y. I'-1R. FURF:Y: ThE:!

PE:1~;t -.:i c:l.dE~ Adu:i SOI"Y Re,Jal~d hi'!S r .i. n i s h (~ d i. 1',!; trH~ ~~ 1: "i. n g !) ·~ 11 d T <:1 s k I· hE:! l'llj ld ~;h:!l" r· li! 1: o 11111H:! n d '" 1: ··i_ u n l''E'c:omnt<Htd:i.ng a B 1: I, n s I: (! '~ d 0 r YE'!dl"? MR. SPF:AKFR: h a ~; h E:! I"'E:! C (! j U E:! d i~ r' I"

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I) cl y SO FJE~I" CE!l'lt USE~ of r H n :i l'. r· o 1: h ·i. on l'. h ·i, s ThE:! hon. t h E! M :i. n :i S L EH' of Fnu"i.r·onlflf)nl: ;;1nd l .. dncis. MR. RUSSELL: M r . S p e i.'l I< e I" , 0 1'1 E! d a y 1 i'.:t S t lA IE! Eo! k 'i n lh'i.s hon. Hou!;H, T l:h'i.nk 'LI: IAii~1s on WcH:InE!Sddy but: I could bE! IAir·ong on t. h a 1:'. , h on rn Co1 rn bE'! r• s o p p o s · i. t Ei! p o ~; e cl queslions pertaining to r· 1::1 c o rrn n Co1 n d a l·:. "i. o n s rn 61 d fi! b y t: h

f) PE!St.:icidE! Adu:isory Board. At Uwt l::.i.1nc;! T ·i.nd ·i.cal:od l:hd-1:: T h<:11:l nul·.: sE:!Ei!ll l.hE! rnJ nutc;!S, and I had not. 0 n r h l.l r· s cl d y ' I b H l t l'! u 0 j_ l'. lAid s ' UHH'('! LuclS a qlH!St:ion on thE! Late S l'lOIAJ FHH' -1: r:1 :i. n ·i. n g 1: o t -1: . P l" "i en· l: o corn:-ir1g t.·.cl ·t.he l..e~J:Islat:UI"E'! on f' h U r' S d d y , '[ lA I fi! l'l 1-. l 0 () k i. l'l q f"' 0 r• 1. h (! rn:i l'll.l'l:-('!~; to r:i nd out.

SPE~c'.if::i caJ.Jy -i_F 'l:.hr:!l"f~ 1Ak1!; a 1"1-'!COI'IllllE:!I'lddi inn lo l hi:d.· E!ffli'!Ci", dl'ld 1 ·i.nd:i CiiltPd l:o i::l·w 1-1 0 1.1 !) f'! 0 II I' hI I t' ~;; cl <'l y J: 1·1 i'l -1: ·I·.J·lC:! t' H I. 2263 May 2 4-, l 9 B 8 Vol XL I)Ji·l!; ''' l''r:!COrtlllllH1ddl· : ion l:o bH lnddf'! L:o ITI E:1 . W h a 'L I h ad o n T h u r s d a y lA I i'l s no ·t--. d c u 1 n p 1 n i: t'! 1·. r· d n s c r· i. p 1:·. o f' i:'tl 1. Lhe m:inu'l::E!S of lhe ITIE!c,d:::ing, and up unt-.:i.J l".ocl;:·lY r: l1<:1cl 1'101:·. Sc'!HI'l l:hc,) total tri:lnscri.pL oF l·:.he rn·.:LnutE:!S oF 1: h

f) ITI !-'! E~ [·. i. n g . R U 1: T U n de t' s 1:. and . that recomrnendat:ion tAias made and IAJ.i. l. l. b r:! i. n 1·. h H o F f i c i a 1. c o p y of the minutes when I received them. MR. FUREY: A s Ll p p ll:! rn ~~ n !-.'. i!l t' y , M r· . Speaker·, t.o the same minister. MR. SPEAKER: () f i.nal suppl.r:!lfll·~n+·i:~r·y. MR. FURFY: M·i;:~· ~) pE;-; k E'! I" I IAI:ilJ the m:in:i.sler, i 1 (li)J 1:. h .:=1 L: h c-) 1·1 , ~ s c o n f :-i. r· 111 f.'! cl 1: o L h ''! HOUSE! t:hat he:! has Y'C'!CE!::I.UE!cl i'l l"f)COIIHIII;!nd, c1J: ' iOi1 rr·orn Hlf.'! Pnst :.i.c:: i.dt-.'• Adu:isoi"Y Boa1"d t.o u~>

E) SO pel" Cl'.'l'll:: ~; fl t' •:'1 y· 0 f- fll· , f.'! 1'1 !; II t' (! 1:! I,,, ~~ 0 US H 1.11 i:·\ I· he l.~J:i11 not: jssuE:• 1.-icc,~nCE:!S Lo LhE:! DHpdr··t ... nHH11: of l'nt'f:!Slt'Y - MR. SPEAKER: 0 r· d ('! r· , p l. E'! a s ~~ ! Ml~, FUREY: - -- Mr. SpeakE!r, lAI'ill l. i. C ~i! l'l C f~ S lAI ·i, Jl 1'1 0 1·. such tirnE!, Ml". rwi n L s l:: e r· c o rnrn-i. i': s recommendations? j u s t:· a s h , .. , m? Ml~. RUSSELL : Mr , SpeakE!r'. Mr~. SPEAI<ER: ThE'! hon. l: hE! hE! ensur'E! bfi! '1. s ~, u li!c:l SpE!akE:!r, as l~o F o J l.OIAI Is Ud. s M:-.i ni~; l:.E:!r Enu:i .r·onlllfH1l : dnc:l l . r:1nd~;.

MR. fW~3SE 1.. f. : that unt'i.l the [·. h 0 ~; (! bof:lrd or Mr. Spedker, Lhe PPsl:::icides () c:lt; ·i. ~' o I" y l'l n •.H' d i ,, no 1110 1·· o oF •:'1 sharn l::han l::hE! h<ln. HIE'!Inbel" , SOME HON. MEMBERS: 1·1 n d r· , h f'! d r· ! No. 4-2 R2263

AN HON. MEMBER : Not as rnuch . Ml~. RUSSELL : ThE!IJ I'Jd v Ci:~ a v E! r' y ::i.mpo rta nt job to cl o <'t n d 1:: hE~ y i·\ r' o cl o .i. n g il·. u r;! r· y L~Jel.J. Ml". SpE~al<ciH', :if th(;! hon. HH~ rn b P r· l.•k\ s l.i s 1". ~:! n t n g o n T h u r· '' d ;:·\ y , j n l· hE:! L atE:! ShOIAI J j ncl:"i cat:E~cl,· :in l"nspon~>f'! l:o 1:-.1-Jr:! hon. l"lll::!llll:lc:!r' For' St.

John 1 s [a~d:, t:hi:-.. d~ th('! 1 ·.icEHJco d o ::! s 110 t c o n l: i·\ "i. n •'\ r· n g 11l r:-t L -j o n which ~>pE~ci f:i ca] J y Si'AIJS U1i'.l ' l~ i- · l'll'H'E~ hds l·.o hH d -f·i.fLy/F:i.fLy 1wi.x or· a ~· E'! v r,~ n·l y "' f :i v E~ It IAIE:1 n t y ..... f tv E:~ lTd x . In l·:l'll:! l. ·i. c f'! ncr-~ l,o,JI·r i c h hc:-t s b :H'! n ·i. s ~; u f~ d , IAJI1:i cl1 J i.'lffl prE~PiH'Ci:1d l":o Ldbl(.;! h(oH'E:~, M r' . S p E~ d I< H r· , d r' o s f~ u C:! n l·: r=! t:! n sttpu]i:ll":·.ions. Il:. :is not r·oquJinE:~d the\\[··. I~Jf:• pul: -L n l-.·.ho J:i.C('!rlC(!

IAJhc:'ii'.: tho rn:-i x IAI':i.11 bE!. That is donE· tn c o n s u l. t. i)\ I: i. on by of f "i. c :i d ·1. s .i. n t: h f'! Ei'JV:ir·onrnE:~nt Df:~par·t:ITIE!nt l,o,Jtth oFf ·ic i.als i.n LhP. DE:~par·t:JIIf'!l'll:: of Forosl Resources. MR. W. CARTFR : Mr·. Spf:~al<fH' . MR . SPErlKF::R : ThE:! hon. ITIE! rnb E! r for TIAJ i.ll :i. n g d -1-: f~ . MR. W. CARTFR : Ml". Spt:~i\ll<fH', my quf~st:ion I giH!SS gof:!~> Lo l:hE:! r.1l:i.n·i!;i·:::!l'' oF F.indn1;n ( M I" . W :i n cl ~; o I" ) :i. n t· h f:! a b s e n c (;! o f i.h~~ M:i.wi '' l:er· of F i. ~>hi·H· · i.:h (r-'lr·. R:idf:!OUt). Ml".

Spf:!i'.:ti<E:!r', now t hc."At Lhe ~)L· .. l . dtAJr'(:!ncc~ ('ish plt:;lnl: CHJ.Jrlf-~d by (Hif:! l~o~;p Tjng has gon(o' Jnto l''f'!CO.i.lJ(H'~;h"i.p, I&J"iL:h i.hn !)dJ'fll'! J.cu.ly OIAJrd ng l. hH conl[:li'HIY I:: hat. opfH'i~\ Le~; 1.: h t'! p "I_ r'l 1'1 I. ~; -i. i'l P 0 r• 'l: <:·111 X 13 d S q 1.1 H ~; r'\rl d Rose Rlanche, J wonder can the IIJ"i.n"i.s hH' t.HlJ. l_h,,~ i·I(HI!)(~, Mr·. S p E'! et k e r· , IAI h 1:1 t·. i ~; g o :i. n g l.. o h a p p E! n i·.o l:host:! planl .. _s?

A gr·nal:-. dt'!i'll uF fHiH' has bE!PI'I E!Xpr'f'!SSE!d by pE•op1E! .i. n 1·:. h ('! a I'' r~ r:\ as I~ o IAJ h ;:·\ i·: 1·:. h H F u t 1.11" r~ h o 1 d s for· L hE:! ITI . I IAJO n dE! 1~ can h o a l. 1 a y L h ('! f r:• a I" s o F 1.: h r:! p f'! o p J. e i. n t.hi'.lt arE!c~ and -l..eJ.J. thE! HousE~ l..2264 Vol. XI. nxacl'.:J.y whal:. -'i.8 goi.ng l:o happen l·:.o those two p1ants? MR. WINDSOR : Ml". Speai<E;-r . Ml~.

SPFAI<Er\: fh r~ 1101:~--TTi'(=! r.11 .i. n .:i. ~; -1- H r· or F ·i. ni-t n c (,~ . r.111~. ~HNOSOR : Ml". ~)p(,~ai<E!r', f:ir·st of aJ.] nobody ·i.n l:hi!; gOVI·'!r'l'l i'I'IC'!rll: hd~) c:!~JHI" :incl:l cated tha t thosr:~ p1 an t ~; ai"E:! :in r· ::! u:!'i. v (:! r· s ll'i. p . T h <:d: ·i s r:'l cl H c .i. ~; i on that I.U-:i J.l bH ITli:\d(c~ by thE! Cl"C::!d:i l-:Ol''S (I F '1-. h r:•\ t c () r· p!) I" i'l I. i. 0 n d l-. ~; ()I fl ~~ p (I i n l.: i n t i. me p (o'r' h a p s - o l" p fH' h a p s L 1·1 E! y 1~ r i 11. no 1.:. PH r· l'ldp s l·.hn c r·r:~cl 'i. t or·s al"(;! pr'f:!par'(o~d Lo put up l:.hE:!

F :i. n .~~ n r: ·i. n g 1··. h d t J. s I" H q 1.1 i. r· o cl t:. o opE!r'al-:c,~ t hE! plants, and unl'::l .l Lhal': l: · i. lrJ(,~ obv i ous l y IAif'! cannot. r:l~:!6\l. IAI-:i.l.:h sornE:~thing as a r'E:!CEdVE!I~shJp :if J. t. -Ls nol". -i.n I"(;!Cf~'i.t;r;!t'shi.p. Wh;·:'ll- I&J(,~ are do:ing is we have estab1:-ished a co mrrri. t ·1:: f:! c-:! o f lfl "L n "i. s -1:. t'!

I" s -'~ n cl officiaJ.s to work with Lhe compan "i. c-:!S, and l:.hc-~ l.E:!gal c:1nd Lhc;! financial advisors and the Cl"~~d:i. l·:or·s of l·:.hos(;! co,npan"i.c,~s, t·:.o sE:~e if :it is possibl.E! at al.l to gt:!l: thn\;o pl.r:,\ni:s acl·.:iuEti':f:!l:l as quickly as possible. In the event that there , .. :'! c H ·i. \J r~ I" s h i. p , L: h (! n 1.1.1 E' 1~r:i . -, 1 lAd t.h that. MR. W. CARTFR : r'lr· . !)p:O!i.:\kr:!t', .~ supplr:!lllf!l'll'.di"':J . Mf~ . SPEAi<FR: A supp1c;!rnen ·Lai"Y, thf~ IIIC!IilbHt' Few l"t.~.J.i . -1.:1 .i.ngd i·r~. .~.li..:._.~--- c A R T fL3_ : hon. ::L ~; a du<.,!l. Mr.

Speaker, I did noL suggest l':. h a 1··. 1: h ~:! p 1 r:'l n 1: s i. n I~ o s r;! B 1. a n c h l'! and Port: aux BasqUE!S LAJel~(;! in I" u c r~ ·i. v t'! r· s h -i_ p . T d -i_ d s u q q ~=! s 1.: 1.·. h a 1:: l:he one 'in St. L.r.lLAJrence :lc; about i··. o b ~:! p l. a c ('! d i. n I" E:! c P i u E'! r· ~' h .. L p , a n cl according to the Mintster of No . ll.2 1~2?.64-

F j :. h E:~ l" j E~ s t h cl 1 j ~; s 0 . M r' . ::> p E:! i'l k H r' , cl o :r 1.·. <:\ k ~~ i. I~ , t·. h c'! n , thi'.ll~~ the FJI"occ,~ss:il19 p]i'.lnts of thE! E J. cl o r' ~~1 cl o r:· -i. ~; h corn p .:-1 n y :i. n f> o r· ·1 ~ d u x fl i:i s quE'!~; and in I~ o s E:~ 131 an c hE~ IAI:i.11 n o 1:. b ~~ ;~1 f' F c,~ c 1. o d b y L h C:! F i. n ''' n t: ·i. "' l problems that are being E:! nco u n 1·:. ~=~ r' ~=· d n OIAI by i·. he ~; d 1rlf:! .oiAin u r' :in 'l':.I'H'! St.. l..c\IAJrenct;! plant? MR. SPFAKER: ThE~ hon. t.he Mtn:i.~;t.E:lr' of Finance. MR. WINDSOR: Ml".

SpE!cikE!In, obviousJ.y I cannot cH1 !>lAIC'! r' L h a t q u E~ s f·:. J o n . A 1. J. ~~~ h m t. tAle have deaJ.t. IAiiLh as government is a r'E'!qUE~sl~~ l··.o pr·ov'i.df~ so1nE:1 f·i.nanc.ial. assJstance to the St. LaiAirence plant:. Wt':! c:o1.1ld noL Fi.nd a b;:·1s'.'i.s to do that, and the Minister of Fi.shE~r·:ir~s t:-lnnounc:(;!d l~hdl: IME~ hdvc~ J"E:lfusc'ld lo pr·ov'.'iclE'! f:lnanc·:ial d !; S -·i. ~; 1~: d n t: t ~ r o r' . d "I l. I~ h t-:1 r' .i 9 h 1:. l"ei'.I.Sons. Wh1::1t happens t.uJ.th l:~h(,' conlpi':H1 ·i.r:!S Fr·u111 I·H~I"f'' on ·i.n ciPpC:!nch upon t:hE~ corupan:iE~s.

TI'IE!Y rnay IAIE~l] be ;:., b l. o l: o o fH;! r' .:~ l:t~ . M•'' y b H U1 F.! 1-.t~Jo pJ ant~; unciEH' FJ dor'i::ldo can contlntH~ l·.o opc·H'dU'. Mdybe l~:i'w ownc,!r' oi.s pI",,, p i:i r· e d t~ o p u t. s om E:1 m o r· (;! of hE! r' ot~m r·[~~;our·ces "i.ntu l:ho!>O colllp<:HLi.e~; l·o opEH'at:.t:.~ t:hE1rn. MaybE:~ thE!Y can f i.nd o Lhf:!r' F·i.nanc i.dl back 'i.nq. I d 0 n 0 l I~ E'Clll y k 11 OIAI . A 11 that I IAiill 1'1 '1:. I · ~ o d s sUI" o t. h :i. s House "i. s t. haL govel~nrnc~!l'll tAd11 do ev~:!rything poss.i.bl('! t.o gr,~t. ~~~llOS('! pl.anl~~s reactivated as quickly as possible. MR. W.

CARTER: ~··---·--·--·-··--·-·-·--- MR. SPEAKER : A fi~al supplementary, the hon . Lhf:! JTHc~JnbE!r' for' T'tAri llinga1~ e. MR. W. CnRTFR: Mt". ~3pE:)ai<E:!r', th('!I'J l:.h(! announC(C!I'I'IE:!nL L h .i s rn o r· n L n g I~ h ;:,1 l: I. h t'! I" n · i. !; a nriJJ:ion doJ:ta1" gr·anL fl"oln, I b n 1 -L e v f) , 0 t L ""~'"' 1 1 n d u r' !.11 '" n C 0 A I. 2 ?6 ~; Mi:tY 2'1-, 1988 Vol X 1.. programme to enable the EJ.dorado Corn p"' n y I~ o b u·i l d d F i. !; h .. MR. SPFAI<FR: 0 r' d e I'' , p l

f) a s e ! rill?. W. CARTER: Mr~---s·p ('!a k e r~-~ my q u E:! s L :i 0 n t 0 l:~ h (' trd n ·.i. s ·1". f'! r' : T h r:1 F i. ~; h ~; a u s <'1 q <:'' p 1 i:'l n t. that !Alas mentioned on the 1 .. h ·i. s rno r' n "i. n q , at' t'! p r o g r e s s i n g a n d tAd 11 tl·w y g o by the Eldorado Company in aux Basques t:o constr·uct plant:? MR. BARRETT: You should ask the o!Ainer that. MR. SPEAKER: l'l f!IAI S p]dns c:lhE•ad f'or·l: t:ha l: The hon. LhP Minister of F 'i. nance. MR. WINDSOR: -------- ···-Mr'. SpE:~ai<E!In, I cannot an\;wr::•l" that~ qt.IHSI:ion.

Th•.'t·l·. ·i!; noi: 1\11'1 ,.,tn~:;LiiHl'' fo1n IAJh:i.ch l have l::hE1 :jnFOI"ITid'l:.:ion, not' i. s i L d ccnnp.:HlY 1~1·i L·.h IAJiri.ch IAJ(;! hc\VE:~ any fj nanc·ic:~l :invoJ tJE:!rnE:•n L, so, l:hnl·'nFor'H, 111H t~Joul.c:l noL havE:! tl·w tnformat:i on. MR. SPEAKER: Tl·w hon. UH~ rllf:!Jrii:HH' for' Cand.er' . MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question for the Premier, who h a ~; be H n J. a r' q H l y L g no I"(;! d to d a y , and it: has to do wiLh Capital Canada, l.~h('! COII'lpi:'tl'lY l.~hdt: i.!> lh~:1 agent for selling Terra Nova Tel.

It has noiAI bocornE• pub1J.c knotAI1E·d~~r':! l~hal: L:h~~ ono .id(;!nt·.:i.Fabl~:! ownc;!r' oF Capital Canada !Alas very c1ose1y C 0 l'l l'l f~ C I~ H d d ~; a r~ I .1 l'l d r' r:·l :i S E! r· I: 0 1:: h (;! then Minister of TransporL (Mr. C r' o !> b ·i.

n) L1ll'l t:! n h P I~ I <'I~; g .i t.J 1::1 n L·. his par·t:i.cuJ.ar· job, Lhal :. hE'' :i!> ver-y cl.o<;r:!ly 1. -i t~r:l l u r~unr:l l"i:'t.is i 11q Fo1" the Federal Tory f>arLy, and J.t •; H [ :! I'll :; <'I s :i. f 1':1·1 .::t I ~ i s L h n r' r-:! <'\ ~; o n It e No. 4·2 R2265

IAJ(:\ S 9 i V f:! 1'1 agent fo1" fc-:'!1. I~ hr:~ lhE! job sale oF of br:~-Lng Terra L h~:! Nova I IAJO n cl E:~ r· cl or:~ s 1:: h r::! P r· r:~ rrd e r· s c;! r~ any kJ.nd of a confl-.ict hE!In(:~, and IAJould he ask Lhr::! fHd~'!t'dl. govr::!r'mnrHll~ t.o hc-::111, or· al JE:~ast slop t.l'w salE! unl.· .. i.l. l:hr::!t"r,~ i.s an i. ntJc:!s'l:'i.gal· . .i.on donr:>. of th:i.s company? Mf~. SPFAI<FR : Tho hon . l .. hr~ Pr·r,Hwi.c~r· . PRFMIFR PFCI<FORD: :r: 1~10111 d l hc"t hr:·! suggr'!~; L Lo i:hr'! C ()I' I~; U J t IAJ:i. t. h and .:-~s k lri.m l:o dS k t hr-:! ll'if:! Hou~>E! of Cornrnon~>. Ml~.

S()i<FI~ : Mt" . SpE:~dkE:H' . MR . SPFAI<FR : h o n . m rc! 'n l.l <:: r· h:i.s br·ot·hc,!r' q u H s l: "i. o n J n ThE!t"r:~ :is just l:irrtE! For· onE! short qut,!S 1·: i.on. MR. BAI<ER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I ~;ay to l::he Pr'E!rrt:iE!r, the rE!ason I d rn d s k .i n g h :i rn I~ h r:~ q u r::! s 1:: ..-J. o n .i. s T a rn ask:ing h-.im l::o do :i.t. on bE!half oF l··.h~::! peop1r:! of Gandr.:!r. T: IAJ:-i.ll dsk hjrn aga:in: In v:ir:'!IAJ oF LhE! c: o n fl. -i_ c: 1-. 11 o 1-. o n l y IAI .. i l: h I: h r:! c,~x - .... M:i rd s l:r:H' of 'lt"anspor·t but. b u ~d. n r~ s ~; d c:! r:d.

"i. n q •; 1~ri L h o 1·. h o r· pr:~oplr:~ IAJI1o rnay be b·.i.cldJng fot" T::!r'l"d 1\J!)Vd rHl, Jn l_·i.ghl of' l·.h.:-11-, IAI o 1.1 J d i:· h H P t" r:Hrd e I" , o n I:H:~ h a J F o f L hE:! p o up 1. n of Cd n d r:! r· , .:·\ s k L: hE'! l'-1:iiJ5~;tr::!l" of Tt"anspor· ·t:. l·:.o l.ook :into l: h ·i. s trk\ L I·. e t'? MR. SPFAI<ER : Tho hon . l:.hc:! Pt"E:!Ilt·i i'!r' . PREMIER PECI<FORD: Mr. ~3pE:!akel", I havE• (;!nough on rny pl.<:<tl'.t;! notAl IAriLhou+-. 1-.ak"i.nq on h'i.s L2266 May 24, 1988 Vol. XL. p r· o b l ~~ tn s . Oral QUE!~:;tj ons Mf~.

SPEAI<ER : At this stage I would J.ike 1Alf'!1CCIIIIO dl'ld inl.J"OdUCI·:! 01.11" PClgE!, John F:il·:.ZgCo!lnaJ.d. fiE:! :i.s l:h·Jr·d .. yE:!dt' s l:uclenl·. dl··. ~·1UN and :i.s a doublr::• tTJajot~ :i.n h-.i.st.ot"Y r:: n q 1. i !) h . SOME HON. MFMRERS : liH.;'H', hHdr'! Orders of the Day Mf~. SIMMS: ~-•~ .. ---u•-u-o M r· . S ~H~ <:~ l<c'! r· . MR. SPEAI<Ef~: has l:.o l'l I'!IAI a h1.c! and T h H h o n . 1·: h P P r· c;! s .i. d E! n l o F Co u n c ·i 1. . Mf~. SIMMS: Mr·.

Speaker·, JAJe ar'E! gcd ng to car·ry o n lA! i. 1--. h 1 c,~ g :i. s J. m 1... i o n a n d , I q u c:! s s , OrdE!r 4, SE!concl read:i.ng of a bo:i11, 11 An Acl: ro ArnE:!nd fhE'! Tn'l:.ur·nal. Economy Commission Acl-:. 11 .. (Bi11 No. j_6). r"lo[: "iOn, SPCOJ'lcl r·eading 1)f I'( b .i.ll. 1 11

An Act T o ArrtE!nd Tho J. l ·1 . n ·.:C'!t"l'li'l ... Fr:onorny ContiJL"is!;-ion ()cl: .. 11 ~~R. ~)pf()I(ER : ThE! hon. lhE:! Pt"esj d1c!nt: of Co 1.1 n r: i. ·1 · l)k\ :; r: on r: 1. u cl :i. n y 1:. h H dub a ., .. e . ~~~~. ~HMM~l: Mt". Spr::!akr::!r', as l was say:i.n~J l::hH I .. :·\ s 1-. cl '·'' y , ~; r:! v C'! r' r:-1 l. 1~1 H '·'! k s d q u ... PREMIER PECI<FORD : You lAW r· r-:! i. n l ·.I-'! r-T up h:• d by l. h n M ;:,, y 241·:h IAJE'!E~k(,'l'ld, Mf~. SIMMS: No, t.hi.s IAidS s~~v~:·l"<:tl IAJ~:!C;!ks ago, I No. 4-2 R2266

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