Volume XL Wednesday - ~ II . - Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 65 29 June 1988

The House met at 2:00 p.m. MR. SPEAKER (l'-1cN·i.cholas): Order, please! Statements by Ministers MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the PrE~mler . SOME HON . MEMBERS: H(:~ar, hear! PRFMIFR PfCKFORD : Mr. · Speaker·, I r· i.s( :! toddy l:o address the issue of new Jr.:!g.i .slat ·i.on r·ospec U.ng Confl..i.c 1-. of Inten,,st for member·s of this hon. HoUSl' and Uw [X!~CuLi.~JG Counci.l or ouJ~ P1novince. Tn the Speech from the Throne dclLver·ed by l:lw lion. JdJOl~S (l.

McGrath, Lieutenant-Governor ·of Newfoundiand, at the opening of this session, a tribunal to review the Confllcl of Interest Rules pertaining to ministE!rS and lTIE:1mbers or the House of Assembly was announced. The purpose of this tribunal's review was to ensure that Conflict of Interest Rules were as comprehensive and effective as is possible so that the expectations of our electorate that politicians mE:!E!t the highE!St ethical standards of behaviour would be lTIE!t.

This tribunal, jn cJose consu1l:ation t.~.1i.th t.l·w Off .Lce of the Legislative Counsel, D e p a r t m o n 1: o f J u s t .L u~ , a n d o 1: h e r· officials, have prepared a draft Co n f 1 i. c t of I n i:. e r· f~ s t A c t 1: o g o v o r· n members of the AssembJy as well as mi.nis1-.e:n·s .i.n lh0. 0.Xt:!r·ci.sc of i:heh· duties. Further tJJork is ongoing l:o addr·o.ss Lhe r·ul.C:!S l-or· ci.v ·i.J servants and mem~ers of government's many agencies and L3664 June 29, 1988 Vol XL .... boards. Mr.

Speak0.r, we arE! all at.,J<H'E! of the sordid excesses of hjgh officials of the government and members of this Assembly in former times. Sorne of Lhe worst of thE!Se abuses IAIE!rE! dE!tailE!d by thE! Hon. Fabi~n O'Dea, former Lieutenant-Governor of Newfoundland, in his 1972 Royal Commission Inquiry into thE! -Leasing of pr·enri.ses For the:' USE! of the Newfoundland Ljquor Cornm ·i.ss ·i.on. Thes(:' repugnant remind us E!XarnplE!S serve t>Je1] to of t h :~ c o n s E! q u c n c o :; IAI h i. C h 0 C C U r· when individuals p C:! r· s (JI"l o:\ J. i. n h~ l" ('! s L !) of the public.

So i. :; c J. c:! <:·1 r· o n L h i. s , han. Leader of the one of Lhose 1.\Jho vigourously pursued placE• thEdT ah::!ad () r:· l:h.-11~ that the r·ecord 1 add t:i·1at the Opposition IAJas i. n i.Jd s H o u s e these mattE!I~s. Wjth the change of adrninj stration in L972, lho new government introduced legislation respecting ConFlict of Inter·es ·t_. A fir·s 1:: of j_ts kjnd, of cour'SE!, in our Province, done aft:er t:he L(;!ader of the Opposition's Party Iost the goVE!rnment.

This legislation IJ.Jas a fundamental departure for the Newfoundland Leg-.islature, and a first for any Canadian governrnE!nt <~t l:he t:·i.rne. The tJnderly.ing prE!I'niSE'! of thE· rules was that public disc1osure of i.nl:ores l.:s u1ould prov·ide the best protection and assurance of h.i .gh c~'o:h i.cdl standards. It. j_s fair to say that in its time the Ac 1: wa:; an advance:'d, cornplnehE:Hlsive piece of legislation, which has s ~~ r v o d U1:?. p r~ o p l (~ of 1: h i. s P r· o vi n c e well over the years, nol-.JAJ:i.i:hs l·.dnd i.n_g sou1c Li.rnlli''llions in its application.

These ltmitations my acllni.ni.sl:r·at.Lon sought La addr·ess No. 65 R3664

by way of legislative amendments and regulations to govern the standard of behaviour of ministers, and of civil servants, i.ntr·oduced after· rny assurnpl:ton of office as PrerniE!r. I beJ.ieve that Uwse 1nod.i.f.i.cctU.ons i.mpi"O~Jc~d the functioning of the Act, and pr·ov i.cl eel a clear· .-::1 nd f-_i_ r·1n 1nod e l for the type of behaviour which Uw Cover·nm:~nt sought and tndt~r.:!d dernandE:~d from ministers, MH~s and c i. lJ i. 1 s C:! r v a n 1: s . Mr.

Speake1", lJ.H:~ have noL~J had six y~~ars of expE:!r i.encc~ s i.nc:.:~ i:he last major review of the ConfJ.ict of IntE:'rE!St leg"'i.sl.at:·Lon, and Lhe nurnerou s a c rima rd ou s exchangE! s heard in t.hi.s Ho1Jse ovc;!r thi.s past session on the topic serve as evidence of the need to clearly re-affirm our collective commitment to total honesty and integrity. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! PREMIER PECKFORD: L~ E! m u s l: s l: r· i v e l: o e n s u I" o. l h a L justice is not only done, but is s e:~ e n l: o b 0. d o n e .

I b e 1. i. :~ v o t h a t the people of this Province want and desei"Ve a reclff:i.r·mat.i.on !:hal: our system of government is as fi:l i.r·, unb i.asc:!d, r:tnd uncori"uptr~d as is human]y possible to achieve, l: h a t i. s a b o v tO! s u ~; p i. c i. o n . T l·w draft Act IAJhich I table here in Uw Housr:~ today achi.eves thai: r·caffi rrnat ion. The biJ.l now being laid before the House appl.i.es to me:1mbers, both oF this Assembly and the Executive Council, and establishes a standard of behaviour of which the people of Newfoundland and Labrador may be j ustJ y proud.

It prohibits the furthering of personal interests through the exercise of the prerequisite:~s of L3665 June 29, 1988 Vol XL .. pot!J(-?.r, th1:1 use of ins-:i.der knowledge, influence or prestige of the membership of this Assembly or of the office of a rnE!mbE!r of the Executi.ve Council.. It, by I;.,Jay of example, limits the right to cont;--aci.: t;.,Ji.th or bc:!nefil: fr·om governrnE!nt for mE!mbE•rs of l:l'lE!

Ex 0. c 11 i.:.i. v :~ Co unci. 1. , s p o us c~ s , rn l nor children and private companies, e x c C:! p 1-. · i. n s i. l: u e1. 1.: :i. o n s I;.,J lri. c h a r c,~ indepe:n1d~:~ntly assesSE!d to be cornpl.r~tc~l.y ·fa i.i". One cr·i tic:i.sm that hc~s bE•E!I1 lE·vj ed u p o n t·. h c• e x .i. s i: i. n g s y s t r:! rn .i. s l: h a t it p]aCE!S too great a bur·dE!n upon me CIS Prr:1m.i.E!t' L:o adj udicab:! t:hP actions of rny fellow ministers. Whil.r,~ I br:1l"i.i:''VE! that·. I have appJ.ied to this task such dispasstonatE!

E!Valuat.'ion as I can bring to bear, there wiJ.l aJ.lJ.Jays be those who wil.l. perceive that. my vision is temperE!d by a too cloSE! dssoci.at i.on tuith my colleagues. To avoid theSE! cd.tid.sms thE! BiJ.J. p r· o V ·i. d C:! s f o r· l: h C:! E! s t C1 b J. i s h H1 E! n l: o f an OfficE! of CormnissiotiE!r. Tl·ds i.nd·i.v i.dual. w.i l.l. be:~ iHl officr;!r' of this House of Assembly SOME HON. MEMBERS: Her-.n·, ~wai"! PRrMIER PECKFORD: -fulJ.y independent oF govE•rnrnen'l::, under· l:.h::• soJ.t~ au L:hol" i. L:y of Uri.s House. Each mE!mbE!r of l:hE!

House shr.lJ.l be r·Hqu·Lr(:'d --not just membr:1rs of the EXE!CUtive Council .... to fully discloSE! ctl.l assE!l:s and all interests to the Commissioner, who shall then ensure that an adequate pubJ.ic disclosure statement is prepared, so that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians can have confidence in these statements. More imporl:anl:ly, the Commissioner shaJ.l haV'e the duty, and right, to undertake whatever investigations No. 65 R3665

and i.nqutries as dre necessary into any allegation of Conflict of In l: ere s l , and rep o I" ·1: '1: o l he H o usc of Assembly or report to the Executive Council as appropriate. Any member who wishes the guidance of the ComrnissionE!r may s~ ~ek that guidance in advance of any undertaking, and indeed, as I have already noted, such inuestigaUons by the Commissioner will be mandatory before any member of the Executive Council receives any benefit from government.

Where the Commissioner investigates the behaviour of any member of this House, Ulf.~ Cormn-i ssiorwr may recommend in a report that the rn E~mbE!r be.;! rE!primandt:~d or evc:!n i:hat the member's seat be declared vacant, and i.t shalJ l:hr-:!n be l·.·.hc duty of this House to consider the Comm:i. s s oi.oner I !) re por l:' rHld ord o.r the imposition of the rccormncnclaL.i .on or makr ~ such oUH?.Y' orders as are appropriate. Mr·. Speaker, I have a deeply heJ.d p (:• r S 0 n a J. C 0 IIIIT I"i. ·1: ITIC! n L t 0 L: h C:' S C~ p1~inc:iplc~1s of honesty and i.nl:egrity i.n goVE!rnmenL . SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Hear, hear! PREMIER PECKFORD : I feEd that the draft lE!g:lslation serves thosE' ends , but I am far from inflexible on the technical aspects of the appr·oach to be taken. While I feel that this legislation is amongst the best in Canada, aftE!r review for the last three or four months, I am t;.d.ll. i ng to consider proposals for amt:~ndment so 1:-.ha ·t i.t eV(:'I'l better serves the people of this Prov"i.nce.

And br~cause, oF cour 'S8, members of the Opposition and some member's hr-:n~e on our si.dr:! have noi ·. had an opportunity to see this, I the; "e i-ore U~bl .(~ l:h i.s leg i.slal: 'i.on with the House today and moue that L3666 Jun8 29, 1.988 Vol. XL i:he dri'.li-L be referr ed to a ~el. e cl Committee of this House for evaluati.on, so ·thc1.t the legislation may be available for passage ln final. ftH'm, hopco~fully with the unanimous approval of the House, at the opE•ning of thP nE! Xt session of this Legislature . SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hr:1ar! MR. SPEAKEI~ : The ho n. the L.ea dE!r of the Oppos i. U .on .

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. WARREN : Yo u Lu'i.ll ha v(~ I: 0 t E! J. l. lAJ h 0 .i ~:; paying . MR. WELLS: Mi ". ~)pr~dkf:'r', n ol:tA J"i.l :h s i.:C~ndi .n g Uw stupid remarks you a re hearing frotll J·.he f:'nd of Lhe: ' i·lo use dot;.m thE!re, I would like to haVE! a fe w m·i. nut c~ s q 1.1 J (~ i.: jus t l:.O C:!Xp r'C::!S S O LII" postUon with res pect to these proposal s. Mr. Speaker, I have not had the opportunity l·:o review the legislation, so I can only respond to u1hat I have just heard. I suw this sheet two or · thrE•E! rrdnutE!S ago , as I !)Ja 1 ked into t h f'! House .

Had I been given an opportunity br:'for'E 1hand I t;.Jould have been rnor·e fully versed in it and could have mor·e Ful.l.y dc~al.t wil:h it. I expect I urilJ., w:i thin the next day or i:I;.Jo, i.f' on l~evi.et.t.l -i.t IJ..Jar ·rant:s further comment, make further comment at tha l l"i.mc. l.oi: me~ say, Mr·. Speaker·, at. once, with respect to what is on the 1-.i.i"si · page, so l:hat I: here: ! .i. s no doubt about u1hat the hon. thE• PI' enLi . ~~ i" mednt by hi. s comm ent, 'So that the r·ecord ts clear .. . , I No. 6 1.> R3666

add that the hon. Leader of the Opposition was one of those who in this House vigorously pursued these matters, 1 what he was talking about was vigorously pursued opposi.t:i.on l:o a mE:~mber· of the House or a member of the Cabi.nG 1: r·ece i.v i.ng a ben~~f.i L from government. That, I am sure, he uri.ll. affi.tnm; nol·. Lhcd·. I IAli:.lS vigorously pursuing a benefit myself. llllhat I: he hon. Pr·c~rn i r~ in I.~W~> referring to is that it was my qur~stJ.ons a,~;k('!d from th.Ls s-.i.dc:! of the~ House'! of govE!rnrnE:~nt Lhat led l: o 1:. he -L n qui r y . That is tAl hat he is speaking about. AnytAJay, Mr.

Speak~~r, [ IAJel.corn~~ this proposal. On a quick brush through it, in tiAJo or three minutes. and on the basis of the Premier1s comments, thE:~ draft.: Act appears to be what is necessary. I have a particular concern that I would not want the existence of l~hE:~ Off·"i.ce of Comm:issi.oner to diminish the Premier 1 s personal responsibility for the integrity and propriety of the actions of members of the Cabinet.

The Office of Commissioner is a good one in some of the uses which T. cp.l"i. c k l y s E! ('! h C:! r c , b u 1-. .i. '1: c a n no"\: be usE~d ets a lTIE!ans of tAJh:i.tewashing a sJI.uatton (H' rC:~li.ev.i.ng Hw Pr·em:iE~r of his rE!sponsibility to ensure that i'll"l offend i.ng Cab:i.nol: Mird ster is forthwith 1nelieved o·f h_i.s responsi.b·.Ll.i.ty. So l.:hi'll: i.s d concern that I have, that that Offi.ce of Comrn-i.ssioner not br~ used for that purpose, Mr. Speaker.

The other thing I tAJould say, Mr, SpE-)akc:~r. i.s thal:. the conCE!pL of disclosing every single asset otAJned, cash money tncludE:~d. to the Cbmmissioner is a good one. It is a proper way to deal with it and I L3667 June 29, 1988 Vol XL have no hesitation in endorsing it. PREMIER PECKFORD: Yes, the sources of funds and paymaster. Why did you not do it? MR. SPEAKER: OindE!r, please! MR. v~FLLS: It is an improper statement for the Pi"orn·i.et' l.o rna!<::! Lo ~>i'1Y. 11 ~~hy did you not do it? 11 because:' it-.: tAJas clone . l 1: ·i. ~; c] e d I" . rl'w F> r C:! 1rr-i e r' ' s statements are completely wrong.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! PREMIER PECKFORD: Why dtd you not disclose all assets a few weeks ago when it was an issue? MR. WELLS: There was no Commissioner. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. WELLS: I think it is a good idea to a Commissioner and to requlre asset disclosure, and let us i:hal: thE! l.r:~g-i.s1at"i.on, ·i.f <:tnd it is pasSE!d, will have fH'OtJi s Jon. hi:'l.V e full SeE!

IAlh (:~ 11 that NOIJ.J, l"li". :>pt:'i:lkc:!r', Uw ·F:i.na1 comment l~.hat I tAlish to rnE~kE• tAJith i"Gspnc-1-l:n j_l·. -i.s thaL ·i.n no circumstances should a Co mrn i. s s i. on r:! r· appr-o tJ c~ of r:-1n y m C:' m b c;! r of the Executive Council . benef·i.·l.: I::J.ny Fr·om deaLing tAli th government. Under no ci.rctJmstances shou1d El member of the Executive Council ever benefit from dealing , ... lith government. And the Office of CornmissionE!r should not be usc~d t:o whitewE~sh any such dE!alings. So that provision. Mr. SpeakE!r, should not be there if it No. 65 R3667

.. i.s .i.nl ·.endl':~d i:hat: i:hai·. tAJoul.d all .ot.11 members of t.hE:1 Exe:~cutive Council lo coni.:i.nue l·.o deal t.ut l:h government. Subject to rE!ViE!Wing it, Mr. Speaker, and rna king fu; ~thor comments when the occasion permi . ts, the thr·us L of it appears to be generally good. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. FENWICK : Mr. Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the member for Menihek . MR. FENWICK : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, I cannot tell you how p l. o a s e d I f.l m L o s e e 1: h i. s J egis la U.on here. SOME HON. MFMBFRS : Heat·, he<.H'!

MR. 1-FNWTCI< : We halH! i. n l':l·w l. as i: 1: h t'E:~ (~ or f Ol.li'' years, since I have been a member of th ·i.s House, tJpon occastons had ·· MR . BARRETT : You have nothing to compare, not ev(:!n a pol.icy. MR. FENWICK: Well, I have an OVE!rdraft to dE! Clare anytAJay. We have on rnany d:i fferen t occasions, Mr. Speaker, complained about the inadequacy of the Conflict of Interest Guidelines. We poi.ni:.ed i:o sever·a1 probJ.c~ms with them, but .in my opinion the most damaging deficiency was the lack of an independent judge of t)J h e t h e r o r n o 1 ·. • d C o n f 1 J c L of Interest si l:uation exists.

Thl'::~ 1.3G6B JurH~ 29, 1983 VoJ. XI. esl:r:lblJshlllcnl·. of a CorrnnJss'i.onr~r i.s going to go a long way towards rni:lk'i.ng this a L:ri.bunal. typ(~ of organization rather than a poJ.·i.U.caJ. ki.nd of oper·al:ton, and that in itself is a tremendous Jmproverneni : ove•r t)Jha l: 1.1.1e had before. It is, however, Mr. SpE!aker, only half of c}(:~aning up l:.hE! polit.ic<.d process. Without an Elections Act, wi .thout: good d-:iscl.ostH'(! of where the $50,000 the Leader of the Opposi.l:ion -Ls g(!t.L:ing cotnes from, without that legislation - SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ar, hear! Ml~.

FENL'IIICI<: -and, of coursE:~, Mr. SpeakE!Y', the $G,OOO or $7,000 ·l~hal: t.he Prerni .(:~r is also getting frorn his party, tJJJ i: h o u 1: 1: h o l f~ g .i. s J. at .i. on 1-o d 'i u u 1. g e that particular par·t of thE! IAJhole pol. -i.L ·i.cal pr·ocnss, i.l· . is considerably deficiE!nt in terms of IAJ 1·1 d I: .i. I· S h 0 I 1 l. d ·'.1 C C 0 I fl p 1 i. S h . What I arn going to sugges l: to thE! P;~omi.r:!;" .i.s 'i:hi .s: Sine(:' I'H'! is asking for a Select CornrnittE!e to e 'J er1 lu a 1.

J. y r 0. p o r l: b a c k r.t l: t h e start of the next session, and since the previous Elections Act that came back three or four years ago i.s cl.(~arl .y not sal: . .l,sfact:ory, would he at the same tirno refer t:hcll:. piece of J.egisl.at.ion t.o t.he sarne committee and have thern bring back an Flecl:ions Act that can clean up thE! rest of the process at: the same time . Other'v.lise, Mr. Speaker, it is a great initiative, IAJe support ·i.l, but . tJJ(:~ think it should go _all the way. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, h(,~ar! MR. DOYLE : Mr. Speakc'lr. 'No . or; R366B

• MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the MinisU~r of Transportation. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. DOYLF.: Mr. SpE!aker, I am pleased to announce to t:h(~ hon. Hou!;r~ of Assembly today a list of six projecls \Jalued al $?.,4-1.11-,000 fol" IAJhich contre:1cts a1"e bc:d.ng at.~Jal"dE•d by my dr:q:>r.ti"tmenl·. under· Lhe ~;11.0 million Provincial Capital Roads Pr·ogr'<:lm. SOMF. liON. r"'FMHFRS: I-leal", hNH'! MR. DOYLE: The projecls are as Follows: Project 28, atJJarded to Baker's Paving Limited for recapping approximRtely 2. 8 kilome l:E:~rs of Route # 3, Grenfell Heights Extension.

Total value of the project is $290,482. The scheduled completion date is the E!l1d of September, 1988. Project No. 28 has been awarded to Shannon Construction Ltd. for upgrading and paving of Route 3, Norr·is Ar·m Nori~h Road from junction of RoutE! 1, Trans-Canada lhghL'.lr:~y, Lo LI·H:! begtnn i.ng of the:• existing pavement, 5.5 !<.ilomc:!ters. Toi:al IJal.IJe of the project is $497,108. The schc:!duJ.ed compJ.eti.on da.tP. :i.s :>epternber JO, 1988.

Proje:~ct No. 2·81! hs bE!C:!n atJJr.1rded to Trident Construction for the con s t r u c t i. on o r r.:t pre s t r e s s e d concrete girder bridge at Little Br.ty (near ·Marystou.m). Total value of the project is $732,127 and the scheduled complel:ion dr.ti·:E:~ i.s the (:Hid of NOVE!'lnber, 1988. L3669 June 29, 1988 Vol XL Project No. 27-88 has been atJJardE!d to F. J. Construction Ltd. for the construction of South Brook Bridge, Mi.ng's Bight, Rout.E:~ 418. The total value of the project i.s $411,470 and the scheduled completion date is October 31, 1988. Proj ec 1-.

No. 31 -88 has bE~en •'~war·dt:.~d to Pyramid Construction Ltd. for t"ecapp.i.ng various l"Oads on I3E!ll Island for· a total 1ength of 3. 8 I<M. Toial. $276,000. co1npJ.r~i:"i.on September. Vr:llitC or i:ho And Lhe di~'·l·e:~ Ls PI"OjecL: ·t.s s chE:~cluJ.E:•d C"!nd oF Project No. 33-88 has bE!E!n atJ.Jal"ded to {).P. Consl:ruci.:-Lon Ltd. For upgrading of ShambJ.ers Cove Road, Route 320··37 from KM 6.0 to KM 7.8 for a distance of 1.8 KM. TotaJ. IJaluE! of thE:~ project is $207,000. The scheduJ.ed completion date is 31 Octobc:~r 1988. Mr.

Spc:'akr:~r, the;! above projects repreSE!nt approxirnateJ.y 28% of thE! $40 mi.llion program. Over the coming days and weeks I will be Rnnouncing the awardtng of contracts for the reminder of the program. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. GILBERT: Mr. Speaker. MfC The SPEAKER: han the flay d' F.!; poJy·. MR. GILBERT: mE:~mb(:~r for BurgE!O r"l;" . . s p r~ <:t k e r· , a g a J. n t.lri. s is t h (;! third reading of those projects. I 1: s E! E! rn s l o m c t h a t y o u s E:H~ a government that is devoid of any sense of plJrpose or· decr:~ncy they have to announce those projects thrE:~e l-:.irnes in the House.

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st~e how are for al.l. . hungry and desperc.1i :c they any kind of publicity at So 1..uhr.\l: r i:llll say.ing ·i.:; i.l: i.s d 1..uaste of time and paper to clgain c o n r i r m t h e p o t' k b a r· r· e J. l ... i. n g tactics of this government. We would havE! been quite h<'lppy i. f the nd.rd.ster had followed the advice oF the Aud:it:or Gent.H'Rl and pul: in a system whereby there u1as a 1 :i. s t i_ n g and thE' I" e IAli'\ s a p r :i or· -i_ l: y and a system for au1arding paving contrac l::s :in NeiAJfoundl.and other than by the way that you vat~. What. I arn saying, Mr.

Speakc:'r, ·is again it is a case of bribing taxpayer's tJ.Ji.th thEdr OIAII1 taxc:!S and I tel.l the government it 1..uill not work. Call an election and the people of Newfoundland will let you know what you eRn do L.~rtth your problems. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hoar, hc,'ar·! Oral Questions MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Leader of the Opposil:ion . MR. WELLS : I have a question For the han. the Premier. RE!ceni:ly the hon. l:hE! Premier has been quoted as indicating that an announcement would be made respecting whather Hibernia would or would not proceE!d by Jum~ 30. In the last few days the hon. Mr.

Crosbie has been quoted as sayi.ng a decision would not be made by the end oF June. Can the Pr0mier tell this House when he now expects i'ln announcE:~monl: l:hat. 1..uould indjcate whether or not the H -i_ b c r· n i. a d e lJ e l. o p m o n i.: 1.1.d . J. l b e I 3670 June 29, 1988 Vol XL. I pr·ococded wi.l:h? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Premier . PRFMIFR PFCKFORD: M ;n . :, p e (\ k 0 r· J l) 0 In y J l) (! i" y s 0 0 11 . I cannot give the exact time or d a 1:1:! . T. had hop ed 1.: h a l: it 1..uo u l d be all finalized by June 30 but it l. o o I< s J..i. k e 1..u C:!

IAJ.i.l1 no l.: be a b 1. e to meet that parU.cular day, but uery, very shortly thereafter. MR. KELLAND: Mr. SpeakE!r. MR . SPEAKER: The han. the member for Naskaupi. MR. KE"LLAND: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question lo the Minister of Rural, ~gricultural and Northern Devcl.oprnr.ni : (Mi". PoiAJel~). The basis for the question, Mr. S p c a k r-) r· , i. s I: h n F r:-1 c l: 1·. h a L t h l'!

Sprung construction contract flr ' 0 l) .i. d 0. <; r 0 l'' i:1 1:-.u r· 11 ·- key al''l"angernent., tha+: is to S<'.l.Y a c om p l e 1: e d p r o j c c l , 1: h r:~ F :i. r· s t c r· o p in production when the key is l:ur·ned OlH~r· Lo the OIAJI'lC,~rs, U1P owners being -the Sprung Group and tho Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

I would J.ike to ask the m ·i. n -L S l (! r l.Al<:l S h 8 lAIRS r:'.IIAliH' (:~ t.: h eli: the Province's equal partner, Sprung, I..Ui:'l s making deal. s , such as t.: he Tor· s Cove Excavating deal, which has not bc:~lc~n pc-::t:i.d, wit.:h the intE!ntion of paying for those contracts with money From the nex ·t grer:~nhouse project, wherever in thE! lAJOr]d it was bei.ng buill? Now, as a representative of the equal parl- .ner, the Prowi.ncr:~. I would like to ask the minister what is his reaction to that? MR. SPEAKER: No. 65 R3670

The hon. the Agricultural Development. MR. POWER: Mini.stc~1r and of Rural, Northern Mr. Speaker, obviously the relationship betvJe(:!n Mr. Sprung in a turn-key operation, and the contractors has absoJ.utel.y noHd.ng to do !Ali th this side of the par tnE:1rs h-Lp. The gover·nmen 1·. made a deal. The facility was dHl.'iverr::!(~ L:o Uw comp;'tny, N~:!t.Ufoundland Envir·oponics. and. it is do·oi.ng qtli.L:e tJ.Iell.. Thr~ l"e1ationship bE:1i:J..\Ieen Mt". ' Sptnung i:~ n d any of h .i. ~; con l: r· c'l c i: or··:; i. s no i: of any pat"·U cu1aln concE:H'n to thE! gotH!rntnE!ni:. MR. KU_IJlNIJ: Min. Speaker. MR.

SPI:AKF.R: A supplementary. the hon. the ITIE!mb(~1r for Nas kaup·i .. MR. KELI..AND: Mr. Speaker. I arn not quitE! absolutE~ly CE:1rtcd.n I heard him say that any deals that Sprung makE!S are of no concern to the government. My supplementary: Is it not so that progress payments made on any construction contract are for the purposes oF paying construction costs as progress is made? Consco1qtH'!ntly.

IAJhat happE!nC:!d to the money that was paid, the progress payments mctde on lhe cur·r·ent project, and 1..\Jhy would Sprtlng hatJc Lo IAJa-i.L for· i:h~~ nex-1: gr'E:1enhousc-'! projE:1Ct, wherever in lhe t.~oJorJ.<;I, -i_n order l:o pay for· thn pr·.esc-'!nt pr·oject? MR. SPF.t1KEf~: The hon. thE:1 A g r i. c u J. 1.: 11 r a 1. Development. MR. POWER: Mr. SpE!akc~r.

Minister of Rural, <.'lnd Nor l:her·n the~ memb:::!r :i.s (~i.l::her L3671 June 29, 1988 Vol XL t being mali.cious like members ha0e been related Sprung facility, or is unaware of the rneans by government does business. certain to the very which Anyt.-ime that govc~rnrrHo1nt :i.ssUE!S a tender, issues a contract or signs an agreement wi.th any principal, it is not our concern who the sub -contracl~ors ar·e. Th(,~ M"i.nister of Transportation just announced a pile of road conl:racts.

If in some cases of major tenders we hctvr~ soHwi:.h i ny sub con l::r';'lc l.ed out to somebody eJse, you cannot expr:!cl: io cornr:! b<'tck Lo l:he government and expect us to be db I. r~ i·. o d u L h o ~; n cl c~ a -1 s I:H"d:.IAH'! en sub---contractors. I JTIP<Hl, il: just cl () r~ ~; n 0 t rna k (-:! r'l n y s (! i"l s e i'"l -1: d l'l. . MR. KELLAND: fl Final. supplE~rnenLary, Mr. Speakc'!r. MR. SPEflKER: A final supplementary, the han. the memb(:!r For Naskaup.i. MR. KELLAND: The minister continues to dance on this particular subject.

But I ask the minister, as the representative of the equal partner, the Province of NetAJfoundl.and <'lnd l..abr·ador and its people, what effects are the lrlC"!Chan·Lcs 1-LE!I1S l:akE:!I'l out: on LhP project having on the Province and the people who pay the shot:? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Agr:i.r:11li:ural. Development. MR. POWER: Min:istE•r and of Rural, ·Northern Mr. SpE:1aker·. in the casE:~ of the ~pr'11ng fac:i.J.i.ty, tAlC:! conl::r·act.:r~d with a person to deliver something l:o Uw govnr·nmE!nl:, and ·LJ: IAJas dE:1liverE!d on time and in budget.

Tt "i.s nol:. 011r· concr:•rn IAJhat happcHJs No. 65 R3671

in the sub-contracting business. We have the Newfoundland EntJ·i .roponi.cs Fnci.l.i.i:y. II:·. Js working quite well. We are a 50 per cen ·L pari:n(~t· i.n Lhi'li: company, and it j s 1n~~alJ.y not ou1n concern l)Jhr.d :. tJw c ord:r-d c: 1:01" doe~; Ltri. L h any sub-contractor in this Province. T 1: lAIR~; no 1: agrl::.c,~men t:. ag1"eemenl. .. FJclr'ts of dc,,l ·i.vPred rn en n t i: o b c pat' t o f Wl':~ stgned ~,Jc,~ 1 i. v cd 1.1 p lo it and the thing on 1: "i.rnr:~ l:o Sf.l 'i-.::i.sfaction. MR. W. CARTER : Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The~ hon. the ITIE!ITlbE!r n~ri.llingatE:~. MR. W.

CARTER : 011r an 0111"' !Alas 011r for Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Fisheries (Mr. Rideout). Last week Newfoundlanders were once aga ·i.n tr'eC\I ·.c~d t:o d tJ'i.!;·i.l: fr·o1n thE! federal M:i nister of FishE!ries i'lnd Ocer.lns (fJlr, Sic:ldon), i:l'l-. 1~1h ·i.ch time the hon. mj nister· again dispJ.ayed his l:oti'\1. ignorO'wce oF the problems of glut in NE!IAifOIJndlculd and h i.s i.nsens i.L·i.wi.ty to it tAJhen he said that ·the glut flY'Obl.em L\li .l.l. bE! OIJOr i.n l:iAIO Ot' t.hl"E~e IA.IE!eks.

I lAJO n de r c c\ n t h c~ mi rl"i . s L e r Ll'~ ll. the Hciuse if he took time out to acquaint the minister with the seriousness of the glut and the fact that the so-caJ.J.ed glut is the big harvest in the NE!Wfoundland f-.Lshc-?.ry? HRs thE:~ minister had any luck, Mr. SpE:~aker, in making arrangements to accommodate the fishermen who cannot sell their fish to plants? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Fisheries. 1.3672 June 29, 1.9B8 VoJ. XL MR. IUDEOUT: Mr.

Speaker, for the sake of the publ.i .c l~ecotnd and accurdl~.e information, it was this week that l.:h0 1-cdernl Min·i.s l:er of f·i.sheriE~s and Oceans was in the Province. I can tell the han. gE!ntlernan I i:;:~ke no re ~;pon~d .b.i.l .oi.t:y ror notn. do I know what particuJ.ar comments Uw f(:!deral. tn:i.ni.sl:er' rnc:·\dE:! about .: the glut.

But to skip that par' ·t o f h i. ~; q 1 1 e s I: :i. o n <'~ n d y o l: o L h E:! rn o I" E! substantive part of it, Mr. 3pGdkGr ', 1 Ci'ln lC:1 1l. 1-:he HOUSC '! that there has been progress made in i'\ 1 l. e IJ "i. c:1 t :i n g s om E:! p r e s s u r' E! t n t. h e glut situation. It is not totally 100 per cent solved, and I suppose it never would be even if you were ablE:~ t·.:o gel~ . al.J. kinds of ships in . place all around the ProvincE~ .

Bul-. cE:~rtai.nl.y Nal:ic)l1al Sea has been a big help, have been a good corporate citizen in this situation by diverting a number of t:hEd.r' i:ratAJJe;ns from ~3l:. John 1 s to ButngE!O, lAihich is good for Butngeo, o b t.J i o 1 1 ~; l y . T h (! 1J h i'ilJ e t a k e n o f F sorne pr·essure in the St. John 1 s 1" e g :i. o n . F P T h i'\ t.J e b ('! e n h E! 1 p f 1.1l ·i. n the areas of the Province where 1: h 0 y 01.11i1 p J. i'\ n Is .

They h cW e bE'! l':~ n buying about a half million pounds of 1-:i.·;h "' dAy i.n flonav~i.sl::a, Char·leston and Port au Choix i.·lreas o r 1: h 0 Pro tri . nco IAJ here Ui E! r e i s ''~ lot of· fish. WE:~ have j_ssUE!d seVE:!Y'r.ll. dozen gl.11i.: pE!r'ITti. t:.s. I was in Petty Harbour Jast night, Mr. SpE~akc;!r, and rnet lArit-.h Lhe fishermt~n up therE•, and they at"E! shipping some of their Ftsh to Fogo. So there is progress being made:~, and whi.le it is not perfect and while it is not all solved there i.s progrl':~ss being rnade.

We have been informed today by t.el.t:'p~wne . calls ar·ound l~o the various processors that starting t··.ornorroiAJ and thE! nE'x L day, t:ht:~Y will be turning a lot of their No. rir.) R3672

processing and capabilities back away from caplin. PREMIER-PECKFORD: l:o freezing grounclfi.sh What is St. Lawrence doing? MR. RIDEOUT: St. Lawrence and Lawn are operat-i.ng flat out, SE!Ven days a week, ten hours a day, tAdth as many p~;:~opl.e employed as t.uc,~re dot.un there last y(~ar. So there is <:'! l.ol: of good sttJff happening, Mr. Speaker. SOMF 1-101\J. MEr"'BFR~1: HPCI.I~, heatn! MR.

RTDr.OIJT: T am not ~;uggesting fotn th~;:~ lifr:~ me to l.:he han. gentleman or· l:o the I E!gisJature that there is. still not: a pr·obl.r:~m in cer·l:a"i.n cH'(~c'~' of the Province with the glut si.l:.tt<:~l:i.on, bttt the glut cornrni.t:l.ee is handling it.: well and, with the cooperal:"i.on of l··he union nnd Lh<'! fishermen we are trying to do thE! bes l.: IAJO can. Hop(c1full.y aftc:!r another few day,s when most of the caplin fishery is over in the Southern regions, all of the plants will. g(-?.t back to groundfi.sh and that will be helpful. MR. W. CARTER: Mr. Speak(.;!r'. MR.

SPEAKER: A suppJementary, the member for Twilltngate. MR. W. CARTER: han. the Mr. Speaker, T arn del.iyhl:ed l:o hear -the minister say that the gl.ttl: problem is jttsi: aboul: over·. I think that js, in effE:~ct, LIJhat he sai.d. 1 t~.Jonder·, Mr·. Spenker, r:un l·.hc.~ minister then t(,~]l the House, in 1._36'73 June 29, 1988 Vol XI .. light probl.r:1111 with a pas 1-. of the fact that this occurs nl.rnos t every year, few exceptions over the PREMIER PECKFORD: Not in the past four years. MR. W. CARTER: Mr.

Speaker, I tAJas go·tng l:o say that it has been known to occur almost every year· C:1XC(:!pt for· the past four or five years. PREMIER PECKFORD: Oh, YE!S. ---1-: -·-arn a nriJ.lionairl:•, nxccpi-l:hal:: T Ot.•.Hc~ $1..?. nri.l.l.·oi.on. SOMF. HON. Mf:MBERS: lle<H', he:~Eii"! MR. W. CA RTF R: Wr:!l.l., thn hon. thc,1 Pi"C:~mi.f'!r can laugh. Ml". Speaker, thE! han. the Prerrd.EH' o b v :i. o 1,1 s 1 y doe:~ s no i: 1.1 n d E'! t" s tan d . This problem has bE!E:~n with us notAl For lhe pi!IS-1: h ... Jen l:y yE~i.'.li"S. I wonder can the m:i.nistE!r tt:<I.J. thE!

HoUS(c1 t.!Jhat plAns does he hau(,' t:o bring in a long-term solution to thnl problem? WouJ.d hr:~ also -t.E<ll the House if he has made any representation to Fisheries Products IntE!rnational to get thE•m t.o sN:ond some of· their· vr:'ssels, to divert some of their vesseJ.s to tho Rreas t.•JhE!Y'E! t:h(:! gJ.u·l:. has occurred. MR. SPEAKER; The h on . 1: he M:i. n is ·1-. t:1 r oF F -L shE! r· :i.E'! s . MR.

RIDEOUT: Mr. ~)peal<nr, fir·st of nll, i'lgain for the sake of accur·acy and c:l.ur·i.-1-.y and For· l:he publ.i.c r·ecord, lt~t me reiterate that I did not, con l:r_'ary l:o 1-.1-w hon. gen l.:l<:!rnan 1 s asser·tions, say that the glut tAJas go·i.ng 1-.o be OlH'r' i.n a FE=!tAJ days, and I cer·tainly do not tAJant to bE:~ No. 65 R3673

I misquoted as saying that. What I said, and I will repr::~at it agai .n for clarity, J.s i·.hai.: some of the pressure is starting to be r €~ l "i. e v 0. d . T lvd.: d o 0. s n o 1: rrw a n t h r.1 l.: i t j ~; o v c,H· o r· t h a t t h e r e tA.d. 11 n o t be a gl11l: i.n SOI'nl.:) pRrl : Ot-' l:h(:~ ProvJ nu~ tomorrow Ol" the next clc"ly . llill'. SOlfiO or UH~ Pl"f:!!)SIIr'e, because of some of the actions we hcW0.

Ci'I!U)rJ lAJi .th the COO per •a l:iOI1 or Na tior1a1 ~~€:!a a1·1cl othel" companies, c\nd 1..o.riLh ·Lht ~ c;,!pl ·in fi.~;hc:~r ·y sloiAdng down in the South, is starLing Lo be reliouod, and hopefu11y over another few days we l..o.Ji1l SCH'! thai: happ< :!IYi.ng mor·e c:~nd ITIOl" E.~ . I can say as well, Mr. Speaker, with regard to the rest of the han. gentleman 1 s ques ·tion, that. we did not have a glut. as the han. gE!l'ltl.eman knotJ.Js. for the:~ last four or "five years.

In fact, we had a famine, and the fishery, unfortunately, in the inshore S(;'CI .:or hds bc-:'en l:i.ke l:.hRl.: For i-\ll. of our history. It is E!ither a fei-\SI:. or a fC.·\mi.rH:'. 11:. IAJi'\ S '1.-i.i<E:' i.t when the hon. gentleman was min i. s l: e r . ·i. i: i s s U.l.l. 1 ·i. k e ·j i: today. Rut: wha ·t.

I think we have seen is UH~ r· E! s u 11: ~; 0 r ~; () m 0 0 r l. h p ·:I c I .. i. 0 n s that l·:hr~ fEH:IE'!l"al governme:~nt., t.uith l: he s 1 1 p p o r l:. o f ·L h i. ~; Pi" o v i. n r: c . 1. o o k a coupl<->. of year·s ago in for·cing 1: he ofF s h ore com pan ..i. ::: s L o diversify their catching c:!ffort a Ud. r-ei • a Hd r cl • a l: h i. l" d • a 1. o n g l'. h e tht"ee divisions. I think that is starting to pay off . The reduction, and hoJ.ding the line on thai: for the lc~st number of years. I think is starting to pay off.

So I believe the signs are that we will continue to have an improve:~men ·t i.n the amount of fi .sh ·that comes inshorE!. So, basE:~d on that belief, we will be putt1ng in L3674- June 29, 1988 Vol XL place a different approach to the gl1Jl: program for 1988 <.·\nd br::~yond than IAJe had in 1988, becausE! we had a Fami .ne for l:h(~ las 1:. four or five years, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMRERS: Heat ·. hear! MR. EFFORD: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPFAKFR : The hon . l.:he lfll'!HJber· For· f'<H'l clc:! GraVE!. MR. FFFORD : Thank you. Mr. SpE!aker . Mr.

Speaker, rny question i~; to thE:! hon. l:h(,) M·i.ni .s tE:!r of H~"all:.h (Dr·. Collins) concerning closing oF thE! k 'i. t chen f c\C: i.l it i ~s at t: hE! Grand Falls Hospital and the way in whi.ch food is being se nt out to the Grand Fa 11 s H o spit a 1 .

I wo u 1 d ask t:h(;~ rn"i.ni.slE!r why IAJould he as Minister of Health, knoiAJing that .: Food ts ctl.so 'Lmporli.'\111: to pF.II :::i. t:>.nt.s in hospitaJ., allow a contract to be ·i.s !;lled to <:t compt:·\ny, West.E'~I"n Concessions in Gander, to prep<H 'E! hoi: meals. di.nner s and suppE!r s. in Gander to bE:~ se:~nt aJ.l the way i:o pol: 'i.e nl ·!; ·in Gr•r:-tnd Fall s Hospital? Why would ·the Minis tE•r of ller:-tl.l.h, knoiAJ'i .ng l·.hdl . food :l.s also important to these people, ;:~ll.o1.u l.hi:tl . t.o l.<:tiu~ pl ace? OR. COLI.INS : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: The hon. U1<'!

Mi.n i.s 1-.er of H~~al th . DR. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker, getting ·into matter that out. On a state that Falls ·i.s No. 65 the han. member is somE! details of th:is I IAJill have to check g(-'!nE!ral bas.is, 1et me l:he hospit:al i.n Grand undergoing fairly R3674

I ex-l:f:)ns ·i.,Jo r'eno,JaLi .ons al-. Lhe pr·e:~r.ent time and we have had to p 11 1:: i. n pl. a c e c e r Ud n con L i. n g e n c y plans to allow as many hospital services as possible Lo go on dur'ing this per-iod. The food preparation aspect ts important. There is going to be consider-ablE! upgrading of the kitchen and other types of facilities at the hospital during this process, so some arrangements had to be made. B u 1:. I I Ali. ll t a I«~ 1·: h e h o n . m E:'fn b e:~ r' ' s quE:~stion as notiCE! . If therE! are any pi'1rticll1clr cl(;!i:<:dl.s i·w 111i .ght t.uant to elaborate on them.

If t.her'e arE:' any par'c-i .cllliH' det:ail.~ ; that he feels are a concern, I lAJ"i.ll c E! r Lc~ t n l. y c h 0. c k I~ h w; e o 1 1 1: . MR. FfFOfW: Mr'. Speaker . MR. SPFAKFR: A s11pplomonLary. Ml~. FTfORD: Tn othE!l" wor'cis, Mi".

Spc7.ah~t", the tn--i.wi.s ler is saying hl:! t~; no+.: atuf:tl"e 'l.hr.lt.: tlu~ food is bEdng pi"epare:~d in Gcmd E!r'. l.e'L mH i'\ s k I:. he m·i .l1'i. s ter, given the fact that the patients at the Gr-and Ft :~l.ls liospi.t~l. are saying the food they are eating tastes like rubber most of the time after being transferred all ~-·.hE:1 tAJay from Cand<"!r. tf the minister is not aware that this is taking place, will the minister look at having the food preparE!d in SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Oh. oh! MR. f::FFORD: If T may, Mr. Speaker? ~'II i. l. 1. '1: h e r.11 i n i s t e r' o f II e a l.

U1 at having the food prepared Grand f1:1.ll.:;, nol ".IJJ i t·.hst<:~nd·i.ng cost.? Cost do(~S not matt.e:~r- look in I·.: he-:! IAJhen L367S ]lli1C 29, 1988 Vol XL i. t c orne s l: o c are of L: he he,~ a J. t h of people. Will he look at having 1: h i. s food p r' e p a r e d i. n G r' <'~ n d Fall s so that patients at the Grand fi'llls Hosp ·U:al can have Uw decc :!nt meals they deSE!rue? Stop looking at l:hE! f<.·1cl ·: that IAJE! are sav:ing money by giving it to the lot.t.JE!St t.c,1nde,~r or t.uha ·l:eUt'r. Will he:• look at that issue? DR. COLLINS: Mr . Speaker . MR .

SPEAKER: The,~ hon. l:.he M·Lni .sLE!r of HPcJ.lth . DR. COLUN~1: Ml". Speaker. I arn pr-esuming l::l·w f 0 0 d L h (~ h () n . rn e In b (~ I'' j_ s l" ('! r ('! Y' r' -i_ n 9 to is not supposed to tastc,1 li.ke r II b beY' . I r i. 1. lAIC\ ~; s I j p p () s c:! d L () taste like ('Ubber. I suppose-?. thE!rE! IAJQIIl.d be nol :h·i.ng IMt 'Uilg t.vi .th i.-L . I will certainly investigatE! about l:he cptal.·i. Ly of i:I1C:) Food. T haVE! not heard, myself, any complaints f r' om t h c~ t' e ~; i d c:! n l ·. r; or' p i'l L ·i. e n L ~; i'l l: the hospital.

I just checked with rny hon. coll ei:\9111':'. the lrlEHnb<'.!r' For' Grand Falls (Mr'. Sirnrns). He hirnsc~J.f T l:hi .nk r a1n quoti .ng hi!Tl correctly -· said he has not received any complaints in this regard. But we will certainly take the question as a serious one. whether it was meant to bE! or n o 1: . ~~ e:~ IAI'i l. l l:: d k e i. t a s a s E! r' i o u s question and look into the matter. MR. EFFORD: A f'i.nal. Sllppl.c,~menb'lr'y, Mr. ;;;pE!akc,~r. MR. SPEAKER: tl final sllppl.e~nentary, thE! hon . the member for Port de Grave. MR. F.FFORD: Mr.

Speaker , obviously the M·ini.~;l·.er' of lh,al .Lh, as tAri.th all other problems in the hE:•all:h carE! ~;yste.m, j11~;t doe~; not IAJiHlL l:.o P'''Y any a-l:tE:~nt:ion, probably bc,1cause it No. 6S R3675

is saving a few dollars . MR. S1MMS: It is a supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPUlKER: Or·del~, ple:~ase! MR. F.:F FORD: T can understand why the President o F L he Co 11 n c ·i. l. i ~' no 1: i. n 1··. e r· e ~; l: e d ; j t could be becau:.e his rela ·tive OL1JW> Uw co~npany her·r:•. T i'\S !< lhe JIIJ-i.n.i.s l.:l:!i" of I·IE:'al Lh l.n as~>UI~E:! this HOUSE~ that l~egar·dlE!SS oF Uw cosi: he IJJill E!l'lSIIr'c Lhal: thes<,' fac:i.J.i tiE~s IAJ:ill be mov<~d Fr·o1n Gand (,~ r Lo Gr·d nd Fr'l ·1.1. s and -i. n that way t h C:' p aU.

E:' n t: s at the Grand Falls hospil:al. i,o,Jill. be gual"cHl ·l:C:!E!d they will get a decent meal. MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the Minister of Health . DR. COLLINS : Mr. Speaker, I tAJill certainly guar·anl(:•(:• ~:hRt l·:h(,~ pal--.ienl:s i'll--. +.:hE:! Grand Falls hospital lAJill gE!t the bE!St s(;,rv-i.co that possibly can l:w given to them during this transitional period. We d11 understand that when you extensively renouate a hospilal you have to have in place l:r-ans i.l-i.onal al"i'i'\ngPHIC!nLs. · . ~'if) l,o,JjJJ C.-J.SSUI"E• thE! HousP thclt LhE! be!;l po!;~; ·i.bl,

c) r:~rr'i:\nljf)lflenl.s IAJi .ll be ruacle. WhE~thEH' HJi:ll: is doing it i.n Gr.~nder·, l.~Jhel:h(:!r' .i.l: i.!> doi .ng i.i: in Gr·c.tnd Falls, IAJhE!thel" it is do·i .ng i.l: el~;(~l~ther·e, r·0.rnai .n~; l.:o be~ seen . My understanding at the present ti.me is that. after quite de tai l.od preparation in consultation with the administration Rt the hospital, certain measures were put in placo that were mutually agreE!able to both sidE!S. 1 will just ensure that there has not L3676 June 29, 1988 Vol XL been any slip-ups or anything in that process. MR. FENWICK: Mr. Spc,1aker. MR.

SPEAKER : The hon. · the member for Menihek . MR. FFNWICK: My q ' 1 e ~; l: · i. o n , Jill r· . :, p o <:1. k e r , "i. s f o r' the Minjster of Education (Mr. II r-~ .:1 r· n ) . l L ~;on c C! r· n ~; i · h (! i" e c en !: chi'lngl=! ::i.rt the l"(:!gula l.ion~; r' 0. 9 <:·11" d ·i n g s c h o o -, b 11 s e c i't n d L he Jicensing of school I:JUSE!S l:hat ai"E! o 1 r:l e I" t h n n 1. 9 7 LJ. i-o I" 1 1 ~; c:! f o r· transporting school children.

SincE! thE!re has bE· en somE• cons-Lcler·Rbl.e clmount~ of backJ.ash I would suggE!St that is probabJ.y the bes L IAJord -· Fr·om school bus owners who have not bE!(:Hl informE!d of this up until just a fE!lAJ days ago, would the! minis::E!r pJease expld"i.n to us why the policy is being implemented and why it is bE~ :i n g -i.l n p 1 c=! rn E! n l~. "' d s o q u j_ c k l. y s o that the actual operators t h c,~ rn s <,~ 1 v ('! s h i'llH! to rna lu,, a d c:> ci. s :L o n on whE!thE!r they a1~e going to conti .nuE:1 wi. Uri.n the'! nexi: l.:IJ..Jo or threE! weeks? MR.

SPFAKfR : The hon. the M .. .i rd~; h=~r· of F.diJC<'Il:.:.i.on . Ml~. HFARN: M1~. Speaker·, I thank Uw hon. rn c,~ tn be r· i-or· ll'i :; cp .1 t' ~; r.: -i. o n . T h r:> rE:1ason why the policy is be:ing ·i.rnpl E:~mc~n l:ed ·is For· safc=!ty. Som('! time ago in Lhe House, several monl:hs Ryo in fRet, we-:~ hRd a ful.l and lengthy discussion, I believe raJsed by some of l:he members of the Opposition, perhaps during the Es ltmates, on school. busi.ng.

And one of the major concerns raisE•d by a numbC:>r' oF l·.:he hon. gentlr:~men opposite was the fact that many of o u r· b u ~ e s a r· <:! r· C:~ l. <.·\ t. :L v <<. y o 1 d , a n d No. 65 R3676

HH:-y. q11esl:"i.onc-)d 1::11~) ~;ai'P.I:y aspect. And at that time it L.vas mad~;.~ q1ti.l:e cJ.e<H' l:.ha L we IJ.Ier·e looking at i" he policy and intended l:o m;:'l.ke change~;. Thai: has been known for quit~~ some time. The chctngE!S hdl.Je no'"' bo~~n HlcH:Ie, ha'J i.ng gone through the process and getting the necessary approvals, and as of this year only buses fourteen years of age or newer than that IJ.Jill be operated in the school. systems of the Province. MR. FENWTCK: Mr. Speakr:H'. MR. SPEAI<FR: A suppl.c,~m(Hlt.ary, the hon. I:". he member for Menihek. MR. FFNWICK: Mr.

Speaker, T do not dJsagJ~ee with the general thrust of the policy. I Lh·i.nk sat-eLy ror' 011r' chiJ.dr'c-:!n going to school. :is a l.ct11cl'ibl.e object'ilH) r.md th'i.~; i~; CCI"ta:i.Jily one mc,~thod of .. i. n i: r' o cl1 1 c ·i n g i l. . MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. FFNWJCK: rJ!y supplemc,~n tary ques t:oi.on to the minister is this: Since there are , by o u r' co u n t , s o [11 c;! t h .i. n g 1 i k e 112 buses that are in this cat. E! go r· y of four t e c,~ n y C:' a r· s of a g l':! and older, and sinCE! some indivi.duRl opc,~rators have:!

Rs rni:lny as eight or nine buses, I und(H'st.and, of th-Ls klnd, and arr:~ in an extremely difficult position since they have not been given advanced notice, will the minister agree to look at the individual cases, espE:~cially IJ.Jher·e the buses have met the "i.nspecli.on sl:".and<:'lrd~; in t.he. past, and see if some sort oF i.mplc,~mc;!ni:aL"i.on ~;checiii ..

J.c,~ l:i'ldl: i.s i'.l J :itt.l E:~ b:i t more gE:!I'lei"Ous can be IJ.Jor!<r:~d 0111.: for' thosE:~ ·i.nd·i.lJ"i.dual 1..3677 June 29, 1988 Vol XL b11~; ot•II'H~t·s 1~1ho dt'r-) .in a I·:E!r'r"i.blE! si·tuabon as a result of the ·i.ntr·oduc L.ion of UJ:i.s pol·i.cy? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education. MR. HEARN: Mr. Spt:~c:'l.ker·, '"'e have 1, 200 school. buses, approximately, operating in l: he Pro 'J i. n c E! . 0 f l: he s E! , approximately 100 -112 could be ·UH;! corr'(:'CI:. numbE·r·; 1~-.1~=! ar·e not surE! ho1.1.1 many 1Ar111 bE:!

USE!cl at: any one time, since some operators have rno1ne buses than thE•y opE:~ I~ atE:! using them as spc:u·t,•s and so on -· so approximately 100_ to 110, in that i'lr'ea, ar'<:! older' l:hi:<~n four't.E:!<=•n years of age. We had th:is cht:~ckE!d o 11'1.:, s i. n c e IAJl'! al ~' o l:. 1;1. J k <::~ d l:. o l:: h t=• organization representjng the bus dr·i.,Jers br:~For·e 1.1.1e mr.-u:le C:'ll'lY decision, but a number of these SOHH:~U.rne!; ·i.nlJOllJ(~ 011E:~ <Hld LIAJO buses in a vc-:!ry large:! number of b 11 s r,~ s OIAI ned by i'l con t r i'l c +:or· .

Thc,~r·e is one Cc:lse I ar11 al~-.lar'(:' of IAJh~:~re nn ·i.l:ld·i.lJ:ic:ill<''l i.s rnlal:.:il.Jf'!ly Sl~~riously affE:>ct.(:!d, and theinE• may b f·) 0 t h f~ r• ~; S (! (' . i. 0 I I !) l y i:'l f r r:! C 1:. (! ci b U 1:. not as SE:'riously as that. But in most cdses lhe effect is negligible· and most operators haVE! Sdid it wouJ.d not ~Ffect them actually. We have suggr:~stE!d that d:iscuss:ions take place with the school boards. There are some options the r' E:~ 1:. hat rn<'l y b l:~ a b 1 (~ to fa 1.1. :in place. Certainly if there is a st:~vc,~rE:~ affect:.

IAie hav(~ no hesitation in having to J.ook at a urd.que Ci'\SE:~, but i.l: IJ.Ioul.d have to be an unique case, and in our di.SCIISsi.on 1.1.ri.l:h l:.he school bor.tr'ds perhaps some accommodation will be rnade. Bul: thE:~ rN.'l.son Jt IAias do1·H~ was simply for safety sake, and I Slippose, J.ooldng at <HlY si.l:11al:i.on, C(-?.rtainly jeopardizing thE! saf(~!ty asp(·~cl·. ~~1011ld noi: b1:~ :i.nl.JOl.,Jed. WE! No. 65 ln677

wi 11 certain 1. y not j eopard:i.ze the safety of school children. MR. FFNWICK: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary . MR . FENWICK : Just a matter of clarification, bc~Ci.·111Se T i'llTI nol: qtli ,h~~ SIIF 'Ic' I.\Jhr:\1: lite m:in:.i stel" sd:l.d · hu :lndicatc~~d Lhal ... i.L: IAJa ~; ;:1 har·d i"'ll'ld F<. ·1~ >1: po '"l.'i.q1 cd: H1e beg:inn :ing. iHld now I arn not S I I F' e i'll ' e y 0 I I ~) d y i l'l l.:J '[: h <:11 . i. f" y

I) II F:ind somE~ opc:'l"atol"~; lAJho aJ"e :in c.'l. l:i'' 0 Ill C 1'1 c:l 0 II S l y c:l·.i. ~) r:1 d

I) rHl [: 21 l.:J e d p o s i t:i on as a ,,. e s u l t of this , t h a l: y 0 II IAJ 'i.l. J. a l.l. OW 1.: h t~ ~; C h 0 0 l b 0 r::t I" d l: 0 I"IE:'goticd: :c,~ IAr.ith thE:Hn c.'lnd to ot.un the b 11 s (?. s for d no 1: her· y e i'l r or · s ~ 11n Li .l they phase them o~t. or are you sd~,dng that~ it i.s just d mAU:!:~r of some other arrangement being made? MR. SPEAKER: The h o n . l~ h (?. M :i. rl"i. s ·h! r· of Ed u c a l i o n . MR. HEARN : ThE!rE:~ is an option there already, Mr.

SpE:~aker·, and thAt ·i.s thr::tt All. or most contracts end at the end of the school yeC~r, and most of the bus operator·s. the majority of them, 1.uill. bE:' ad•d .!;ed d11d .ng the rnonth of July Ol" August about their coni.:rdct renewals for the coming year. There haue been some changes 111aclf) l·:o U1.:tl :, i:oo, cer·tainJ.y, the I"E:HietAJal of t:he con ·i:rr.tci".. In nE:'goL:i.r:11·.·i .ng l.•ri i:h Lh1:! ~; c l1 o o ] b o al" d t h e o p e r· a t o r' s aFrE~C Led HJi .gh l. r i.nd SOIIl~) IJ,lt 'lY Lo b~) accomruodat.ed.

It may not necc,~ss•n· ·i.l.y be by wd.ng b11s~)S Lhal: are ouer fourteen years of age, but ther·e IndY be cliFrr:>rF.!nl: t.•.Jays of compensating the driuer in the r'c~netA.Ir::tl. of ~,-i,s coni:r'RCI:, or• whal: haue you. There are some options th!:~rE:~ Cll'lcl WC:~ l/JOUld CE:~rt.cd.nl.y likE?. to see those explored before we L3678 Jum~ 29, 198B Vol XL look at any other options.

You neuer close the door, I suppose, on spE:~ci.f:i.c case:'s, bu l:. certainly, if it is a matter of the safety, r.~s t sr.~y, of tr·ansport.:ing the children to and from school, c (:~ r· 1.: a i. n l. y n E:~ i the r' t. he board s o r· ourselves would look at anything ..i. n t h R L J. ·i. n e . MR. GULLAGE: Mr. Speaker. r'lr~. SPFAI<r ~l(: The hon . the mr::~mbel~ r o 1~ Wat E•rfo l"cl • I<() l'llriO II 11 i". . MR. GULU~GF::: Mr. Speaker, my quest io n i s to the Moi.n·i~ ;t:N' of' Housing (Mr·. Pei:'tch).

The mi·nistE!r wi11 know, possibly, l:hal: Lh(:' l:E:~nanls of Al.l.andal 0.~ Apartments haue applied to the Residential. Tenancies Soard about a rent j ncrease to carne i.n effect July 1 of sornEi 10 per CE!nt.. and are hauing difficulty in getting a t ·i. In e s (::~ t f o r· r.l h o rH' L n g . W o u 1 d t h E! minister intervene on behalf of t.hc,'SE! ~-.<,'nanls and sue +:hal:: i::hE! ·.ir hearing is heJ.d as quickly as poss.-Lbl.e? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Housing . MR.

PFACH: ~~ t" . :J p e <:1 k e r· , T •·11r1 aiAJi'l r· (~ +: h , .. , l:. 1:: I·H~! tenants of the Allandale Apr'1r'trnenl·s, bE! "i.l'lt:J a l:t:! l'li.~nl :: rnyse 1F in that arE:~a. haue appl:i.ed through 1: h I·) f>r' 0 c e :; s rHl c:l • d :; <.·1 I'll"' U· . e r· () f' fact, ouer' the past IAIE!E'k or· so L h :~ y h c::t tJ e lH:' e n c j r· c t 1l a L·. i. n g i"' petition to the uarious tenants l~her·o t~ori.l·.h r·(~gi'lrd to thE! r'E!ntr.tl increase.

I indicated here in the IIOIISE:~. a monl:h or so <."go, t:hat. tAJe would bE:~ hauing a rE!n ·tal incrE:~asE:~ i.n tJi:tr'Lo11~; parLs of t.i'w c:it .y, and in Allandale ApartmE!nts, to ensure thai: 011r ronl:<.·1l.s t.hE!r'c,~ i.·1r'e i.n l:.i.nc-?. with the market rentals in the 1\Jo. 65 f0678

rest of the city, and pat·L·i.CIIJ.dr'l.y, T. ~UE:1!)S, ·i.n l:h.'\L ar·ea. The tE:1nant·::: therCo1 arE:1 VE!I"Y f;:-u-n:i.l..icH' ,,,il:h Uw fH'oce~;:;, l:hey ai"E:1 going through the-?. corr·ect p r· o c f~ ~; :; , ~l n d I ''' rn s 1 1 r· (~ 1·.: h a l: I: h (! -lerli'-HIC.iE:!~; Roa1"d IAri] l hear 'l:hE:lil" c a :; ~~ . r h e p e o p l. e 1: h (:0! r· ~~ '-" 1" e tJ e r y confidE:Hlt. In fctct I l~!ncouraged lhe111, a IAieek or so e~go, l:.o go t hI" o u g h the p 1~ o c E:1 s s cHId I cl m s u r e thi'\1-:. t:hi'\1-. pr·ocess IAI'Lll pr'OC(:O!ecl i.n due~ COUI~SE:'. MR.

GULLAGE: A supplto'JnE:!ntar·y, Mr. ~3pE~akco1r. MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the member for Waterford --KE~nmount:. MR. CU LI .. AGE: Mr. Speaker,' the minister is diAii'lr' E! , oF course , l:: h"' L Ne:1wfoundland and Labl"ador Housing uni.ls, 511ch as ~llondal.e ftnd :.indla1" o]dco11" units, al"e fully p i'l i d · f o r· a n d d e p r' e c i. ,,, I: e d , :3 o 1: h e only E•xpensE! th(:!y hi:lVE:! :is .i.ns11r'iHlCE'! ancl tncl··i.n l·.r~ni'lnt:c!. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! ri!R.

GU U_AC;F: Wj ll the minisb:1r not adrnit that these rents ore now too high in I"E'!1<:d:~ion to 'l:hC"! rnal"ket, a rnar·ket 1-:hi'll: hHS l:h(~ highl'!Sl:. VdCC:·ll'lC':J r'ili::P in Canada at 10 per cent, and that in fac l:: th(;! n:ln l::s s hoiJl.d be reduced and not raised? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Minis·ter· of Housing. MR. PEACH: Mr.

Speaker, I am a1A1are that the vacdncy rate i.s rather high, I guess in the Province but piY!rl:.:i.clllr:H'ly i.n l.:he~ ci.Ly, b111~ l:hili: appJ:i~~s basically Lo pl"ivctte r·e:~ni':al.~;. ~•le~ do nol: hatH' a vacancy I J679 June 29, l9B8 Vol XI. rate in our Newf au nella nd and I. a b r' r:u:l 0 t' 1-1 0 wd 11 g IIITL 1.: s . T lh'i.nk i.l: ·i.~; fa·i.r· l:o sr.ty l.:ha+: 'i.f we take the AllandaJ.e, Linden Coli i" l: iHld Ch1.1 r ch-i. ll ~3cll.liH'<:' apartment area, that aJ"ea of l::he c i. l: y , p r· .i v a 1.: e r· E! n 1.·. e1 l r· i'l 1··. r:1 s a n~ higher than the ones that IAJE' char·ge.

T. -Lncli.c<'lLE!d <.·lt Lhe t.-Lrnr:1 of the increase that 10 pE~r CE:!nt IAJOII1cl :;till lflt:1<~n Lhi'lt IAif~ IAI(;!r·c;! somewhat lower than the market renl::dl.

When we consider the facL that:, I guess, the basj_c r·ental r·c.~l:.E!S thc,~r'E:1 ar•r,1 <.~ppi"OX'.i.rni.·ll:e1y some $600 per month for a three-bedroom apHrtmenl:: wi.Lh hoa~ inc1uded, I think the tenants there are reasonably happy that the rent:s are not, I guess, as high as compared to other places. liOIAH:1lJC:1r, T. l::hi.nk l:hr:1-i r· con·I·J•nt--i.on is the fact that it has conL-irllldl.ly gone IIFJ ror· l::I-Ho! past two Ol" thl"ee y E!ars.

The I"E!i:'l son for· l:lvtl:, Mr·. ~:)flE:1i'lker, i ~; IAI~=· IAiant to b>.ep them :in l·.ine and nut bH :in c ornp e i· ·i. 1·. ·i_ on tAri.l. h p r ·i_ tJ<:·1 I· e ~; E'! c tor· apar·tments, and so on, in l:hat p d t' l: j C I I J. d t' C:l t' 1':.~ i:·l 0 f l: h E! C ·j l: y . AN HON. MFMRFR: Di.d yo11 ~; ign l.:he pel:.il::ton? MR. PEACH: No, Mr. Speakel", I did not sj~Jn t he p e 1:. i. 1.: 1. o n . MR. GULLAGE: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPFAI<ER: A final supplementary, the hon. the member for Waterford Kenmount. MR. GULLAGE: Mr·.

Speaker, considering the fact l·.:hi'll·. adlni.n-i.sl:r•c:l·l·.'i.t.IC) and salar·y expenses are factored :into these r en l: s and For· m <:·1 J.c.-n· g e p or· t. -.i. on oF No. 65 R3679

... the rt:~nt that is goi.ng to bt~ charged to these seniors, especially IAJhen tht:~ Y'Nlts r-1re increased, if they are increased, will the:~ minist.E!Y' (.;!nsur·e !:hat i.f the results of the hearing are such l:hat thP rE!nl":.s <:·lre -Lndt:!ed deemed to 'be too high, that units such RS AllandalE~ Rnd L i.nd!::~n Cour l: and Ph~asantville and Elizabeth T OIAlC:' Y' S IAJi. l.l. be S 0 l. d by p II b l. i. C auction to the private sector? Mf~. SPUWF::i~ : ·rhE~ hon . the M:in:ist er of Housing . Mi~.

Pi'~(lCII: Ml". ~~pC:~CikPl", T gue:~s!; it wouJd not be in or·der · for · we t:o pr·c· j 11dge the oulcorn~:! of thE! hE~al~ing. As I ·1. nd ·i. C•'ll.1)d l·w r·,,~ i.n ·Uw l.~)g ·i. ~; l.i:d:llr·::! on a nur~~ber of occasions, the u n i. 1: 5 IAH:~ h i.'l IJ e .:u· o 1 1 n d UH:~ Pro IJ i. n c c , whcthel" th(,1Y b(:1 in St(-:!phenville or s:·:. John's or Jn Goose:1 8r:-1.y, ar·C:~ aJw~ys for sale and when market concl'i.l:i.ons ar''' right: and IAJhE!n proposals come in we are always r't:1CE!pl:i.ve of d-Lspos-Lng oF ltrl"Li ·~; such as that. As I 'indicated last week, Mr.

SpeakE:~r. whE!n one of tht:~ tenants visited my apartment tAli th her petition, I SEii .d, 'You should go thr·ough the process,' realizing, of c o u r s t~ , t. h c'l t ·i. f t: h e T E! n iHl c i. e s Roard :indicates that:. the rai:es ar·e too hi g h • r do no+.·. c; r:! ,,~ "'n y r· e a s on why they would not be reduced . lioWE!IJer. if U1e T(~nc:HJC"i.C:'5 Roi'lt'cl indiu.lt.es that I"E:HJts clre too lo1AJ, I d o n o L s C:' E! <HI y r· E! a s o 11 I~J h y L h e y tAJou]d not be incrE:'ased. MR. CJI.nrRT: M r· . S p ~1 a k e r· . MR . !3PE():<F.R: The hon. the 8Hy cl' f::spo ·i.r·. MR.

GJLBF::fn: me!mber I 3680 June 29, 1988 fOI" Bur·gr;w - Vol XL t have H q11estion, Mr. Speakc.;!r. for the Minister of Transportation (Mr. Doyle). I IAJOnder does the minister agree with the f"ollowi ng statement: CN Marin(~ cannot give any indication as to how many ~H~opl(;! w'i.1l. bt::' la.-id off IALith the phase-out of the Newfoundland Railway? Does t:he minister know what effect t:he closing of the r·Hili.U<..J.lf IAtill hRve on employlfll>.nt -Ln the IAJhole CN and Marine Atlantic opE:' I" ;:-1 l: ·i. on 5 i. n +:his PI" o 1; ·i n c e? MR.

SPfAI<fR: Th~>. hon. the M::i n:ist:er of Ti"dns por· Ln l-. .i. on . MR. DOY U:: : WE>.ll, Ml". SpE:~al<er·, as I indicated 1-. o Uw h o n . g e n ·L -J c,' rrkHl j u ~:; t·:. .::~ couple of days ago, I bel:iE!UE! :it IJ.Ji'IS Fr· i.day rnor·rd.ng. lAtE! lllE! l~. tAd.l ~.h officials of Marine Atlantic and d . i. S C I I S S f.! d +: h E! S (:~ I) ('! t' lJ -i_ ~; S U E! S t h at the han . gentleman raised today. Aga-i.n 1 r·HitC:H'ate IAJhat. Mar·ine Atlantic indicated to the member F o r· 'L •'l P o i l. E! ( M r· .

Mi. t c h e ·1. 1 ) a n d rn E! during discussions, that they t.~wre nol··. -Ln any pos"it:ion at. th·is point. in time to giVE! us any indtcation o f h OIAJ rna n y p e o-p 1 <->. • wo u 1 d be 1 a i d off, if any. within thEdr Marine Atlantic operation. And, Mr·. :3FH~di<l::'t', I tAJould also point: out to the hon. rnembEH', I do no L k nOIAJ J.f he j ~; diAJa r··t~, t-.·. h<~ 1·.. l was unofficially infonTlE !d today 1: h a i: i: hE! l' e cl E! r· •1 J r"' i. n ·i. :; L E' r· o F Tl"ansport (Ml". Rouchal~

d) he1s rnadE:' d ~>Li'l ·l:.elnen ·l-. Li'hll: c'l~> ;:~ Y'CSIJl.l ·. of the closedOLJJn of the NetAJfoundland R •'l .i.l.I~J< :l y t h c'l l: 1-. her· <:1 IAl i J 1. 11 o i:. be a n y layoffs with Maine Atlantic in NE:11AJfOIIndl.dnd. N01JJ, T do nol: l'ldVe the official transcript of those r·c,1rnc'lr'k~; Lh"ll: 1-:h(:~ Mi.rdsl:t!r' of Transport ts alleged to have made, bill -. T h"lVt' been given that information today, that the ITI i. n i, 5 t E! r· has 'i. n cl e E' d m i:1 cl t~ L h i:l l: No. 65 R3680

statement: thal: l:her·e wo11l.d be no layoffs as a result of the closedoiAln of !:h e Neu.rfo11ndlr.1nd Railway by Marine Atlantic. r'IR. G1LI1F.:RT: Mr. Spec~ket". r.JJR. SPU:lKFI~: A ~;uppl emE~ntary, rnt:!llrln~r- for· 8ur·gt:!O Mi~. GH .S r: RT: thE' 11;:~ y hon. the:~ d I f~;po·i .l', I am surprised thal a study was not done bc:!forc ,~. Mr. Spc,'Ake:'r'. Anyhow, has the government done ctny study on the -i,rnpr.u:l: of Lhe agreement signed on June 20 to phase out the Newfoundland Railway?

And will the minister narne tl-w gr·oup lAliri.ch pr·ovirh~d t:hf~ study saying that fourteen trac tor-tr·ai .lt:!r's would be all. the increased traffic going to go on the high1.uays i'l.S '" resH1i: of closing t.he railway? Would he nctme l:he people who d·i.d thai.: s l:11dy? Mf~. :3PFAI<FR : The hon. the M i n i s t Co! r· of T r' R n s p o r' t: "' l: i o n . MR.

DOYLf::: 'WeJl, Mr. sp·eaker, eVE!r since lhe closedot.un or' i:hc etJr:!ni:llal. c] osedol.lll'l of t.hc,1 Nel.I.Jfoundland r'<'li.liAl<'IY hi'IS l·wr-:!1'1 ci'.L;ciiSsed, Por·l : aux Rr...sques i'Hld Rishop 1 s Fall.s :in pdrL.i .Ctll.c'lr' hdlJt::~ bC'!E!I1 dl: l-:h1::~ fot"E:1fi"Ont of all of our dictJssions IAJi .thi .n l.:hC:~ l)r::~pi.'lrl:IIIE!ni: Of Development, the Department of fntergovernmental. ~Ffatrs Bnd Transportation as well. That is why I Mr·.

Speaker I this gover·nment fought and had placed in the Memorandum of Understanding we reached with the federal government the Community Adjustment Package to apply to those hJo commurdti.f~s~ Por·t: c'liJX Basques and Bishop 1 s Falls, of appr·ox-i.rnrlb;!l.y $1.~> Hri.ll.-i.on. And L3681 June 29, 1988 Vol XI. hopeft1l.l.y, Mr. Sper.tk~~r, t:hosr:~ 1·.·.1AJO communities will be able to create o 1-.h~~r· within :i.rnpr.lc l: b 1 1 ~' i. n e s s o p p or L 1.1 n :i. t i e s I' 1'::~ •; 1.11. 1-. the i r a r· e as ·to 1 e s s e n a n y Uwl : rrri.ghi: bE:~ h<'ld A~; a of thls closerlown. Now, Mr.

Speaker, I believe the h 0 n . 9 ~~ i'l i.: l rc.HfkHl r:l S k E! d i'l q I I (:1 S 1:. i. 0 n d. ~; well with respect to the number of i:r'rlck:; on Lhe highiAif.'lys. Tam informed that there were '" p p r' o x i. rna 1:: e l y F i f i y -e i g h 1... l::r- u c k s in operation by TerraT!"ansport and o 1-:hC'!r pr· ivd te opf:!r·ator·s l:.o accommodate rail freight before thE:1 shul·.:down. .l.t.•Jent.y ··one of the se had thE• dr:'stination of Col"n(H ' Brook. Obv-iously, some->. of t1·11:• freight that did come by truck IAri 1.1. now go by l:he t.•Ja l::r,,r· modE!.

Fourteen had been destined for Grand Falls and twenty-four for St. John 1 s. Obviously there will b ~) s om(~ c h a n g e i. n t h e S t. . J o h n 1 s end of it, as the marketplace dE:~rnands l.:hdt [·:he IAkd:.E·r· modE! br:• used in those areas. So we do not feel, Mr. Speaker, l:h.'ll: i:hcr'C! l~Ji. .. JJ. be c:1ny exLr' ''' t.l" a c to I"- t I" a i 1 e r t r· a f f i c to a n y gr·e:~~1l·. ex ·l.:u ni : ·.i.n r.1ny PV(~nL, probably between fifteen and I:JMeni-.y exl :r''" b·uck~; on U10 road ClS a l"esu]t of the closedoiAJn of thE! r· r'l i li!Jr'l y ' MR. ~3Pf:AI<FR: Or·der', plr::~ase!

The time for Oral Questions has elapsed. Notices of Motion MR. SIMMS : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Th~~ hon. I: hE! PrGsirlenl-: of the No. 65 R3681

Council. MR. SIMMS : Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I might, by ll-?.ave of the Ho11se, make a motion to appoint the member for St. John's East to the Select Committee on Rules, which I neglt1Ch'd to do l.dst. tJJec~k? This is to replace the rnt~mber for Menihek, who has resigned and/or been, IJJhatever. I uncll:!r·sl :ritnd Lh:::' Comrn-itl".l'!C :' IAJanl.::; to get on wj th i i:s work, so iF t h t:! r· t1 .. i. ~; d g r· P ~~ 1 n ~~ n 1:: , p 1 1 r· :; 11 <'I n t ·1·. o HIE! i'..lPPI"OPI"iatE:' Standing 01"dEH', 1 JnOIJE: 1 'Lhc"'l : l:he rnember· for· Sl.

John's F<-J.st bE:1 appotnted to the ~)eJ.E:!c 1: Co1nnt i.t1:et-) on Rttl :~!; t:o J"E-1p] ace t.'hE~ rrtf!fTibE~J" for· ME~nih~C'k IAJho h a s r E! s i. y ned . MR. TIJI..K : Mr· . SpeakeJ". r·11~. SPf:J\I<FR: The hon. thc,1 ITIE~mbE:!r foJ" Fogo . MR. TULI<: We have no pr·oblem L!Ji th that. The only question that rema lns unanswered in relation to this whole thing is, as rny fri.t1nd for· For·tune - Hermitage says, did he jump or was he pushed? On mol·:.i.on, t:he lflt~rnb~::1r for· St. John's East IJJas appoin'tt1d to thE! Se1C:!ct Cornm.ittt><~ on 1~1.1l.es, re:1plac:ing the hon. ·t:he member for ME~nHwk.

MR. SIMMS: MR .. Spectker . MR. SPF:AKF.R: The~ hon. Uw Pr·esi .dc:Hll : of lJw Counc:iJ . MR . SIMM!:i : Mr . Spr,~aker, 1 hdiJe of Motion IAJh:i.ch I <:m o 1.·. h E! r· 1\J o 1·. -L .: r·~ would 1-.ike ·t:o L368:?. June 29, 198B Vol. XI .. g .i l}f:~ j If s I: measure . c"\ 5 d pr~~cau t: i.omu·y I would like to give notice that I will on tomorrow move that further consideration of any rE!SOlutj on or r c,1 s o l. 1 1 t "i. o n s , c l. d u s e o t' c 1 i:ll.l s E! s •

section or sections,

preamble or p r· ~~a mb 1101 s , t. :it l. E! or· tit 1 e s , or whatever elsE! mj.ght be related :to motion 1\Jo. 1. shc"'ll b1::1 t.he flr ·st business of the House, when next cdl.l.t-=!d by l:he l·lot .ISt~, i'\nd shi'\ll. nol. : be:~ fl.lr'ti'HH' postponed. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Heal", heal"! MR. TUII<: ~ h • h '" ! r n 1; o k :i. n g c J. o s ' 1 r· e ·1·: h ~:! I" e ! fJJR. STMM:3: Just in case. If you want to hold 1 1 p l Jw fll:~ o p l. e o f l: h e P r o 1; 'i. n c (,1 t o ransom we may be forced to use it. MR. TUI..K : A point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR.

SPF~l<Ef~: A point of o1~der, thE! hon. the~! rntHnber for· Fogo. MR . TULK: It is interesting to note that the han. I!Jl-?.rltl.0111Clrl hr.\S rlOIJJ g:i.UIO 'Il notice of closJre, and I say to h:i1n l'.:hc\1: I.~Jhc\1: he "i.s cloj .ng .is somethtng out. of the ordinar ·y, is no 1: o r· d J. n iH' y c:d: : a 11 . T i·H :! b u d g r·~ t was not called until yesterday, since late AprJ.l. SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Shau!E:~! Shame! MR.

TULK : ! j() 1~ or· h:i.ln l'.o po "i.nt l·.o th i. s s -Ld c~ of the House and say that t·hi s !dde of l".ht1 Ho11~;e ·i. s ho J.d .i.ng I:: hE :! people of this Province up t.Ci l'dl'lSOHI i: h c· bE:1 ~; l'. 1~1ord you c C.·\n use for ], t. :is exaggeration, and 1\Jo. 6 5 IB6B2

that is Let me gentleman being also very, say Lo SOME HON. MEMRFRS : 011, oh! MR. Tl.IL.I<: very ·1-.he kind. hon . l'-1r'. ~)fH~dker· I T. .:-\Hl 1Ty i.ng l:o Hlr'1k::! o'l p 0 j 11 t 0 f 0 r· d ~;! l" . I. ~d ITI E~ S i!l y t 0 t h E:~ hon. g1:!nl:l.elrlr:Hl, i.Hld o:1lso !>d':J l.o, T. believe, The Evening Telegram, i:h;'li· .

Lh(:~ Oppo~>i .U .on doe~; noL l•ri .~;h a 1'1 d IALi.JJ I I 0 t S E:~ e t h (~ j:J 0! 0 p J E:' 0 f t h ·i. ~; P r· o tJ i. n c E! cl e l. <.·1 y E:' cl . () n d t-: h ·i. ~; is another method other than h <:·1 v ·i. n g l: h i. ~; b u d g e t: p '" s s I'~ cl . !J,J t'' cl9l"eC:~ '!:hat 'if t:hey ne(~d money t.o p<::ty l·:.hE~tr· btl.l.s for d.not.hE:'t' IAJeE:!k to carry on debate on this budget, IAJ<::' 'wi.ll. give thern fLir·tl·lt!r Tnter-Lm Supply. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR.

TULK: We IAJi.ll. g·i.ve 1-.hl:~1n further Inl:er·-L1n Supply, but we 1.~Jill not bE! coL~Jed by I~. he hon. gE!I"l t:.l.E:!trlcHl or· by I·: he pl"C,!SS tJ.JhilE! doing our duty. MR. SPF.:AKF.R : Or·d(-~r, pl.E!r::tse! ThE!r~~ ·i.s no po ·i nL of or·der· . MR. SIMMS: Mr. Speaker. MR. TUI.K: There is no point of order, Mr. Spe~ker. ri!R. STMMS: I will raise my own point of order i. n U1 a t cas e , and hop(:~ f u l. 1 y You r· honour will rule mine is not a po-lnt o-F ord(c~r b~~fore thE! mE?.mber for Fogo gets up to speak to it. MR. TULK : He knows it is not a point of L3683 JIJnE:~ 29, 1.988 Uo J.

X I. ·- order. MR. SIMMS: M r· . S p e a k e r· , t o j u s t p u t t h i s i ri ~ pE:~rspl:~ci: ·i.tJC, l.r:~1~ mE:~ adtJ .. i.st:! rnt :!rnbro!r·s of the pr·ess gi-lll(~I"Y and the p 1.1 b 1. 'i_ c r:Hl d i'. h () ~; e I~) h 0 1Tii'1 y I:H~ int(,~l"esi:E:!d, that. W(,~ hav(~ spent: a ~:on~; ·i.c:h~r·;,,bl.l~ i:HflOIII'll-. of l".i111e on t:he budget dE! bah'!, conti"Cli"Y to Luhi'd:. lfl c,~ rn l:w r· ~; o p p o ~; ·J. 1.: :~ s d y . 'I' h e I" t'! h <:·w H been sevE:~nleen speak<::H'S on the b11c:lgeL debaLe, .:-1nd UH'~r·E· IAJE·r·c,, al .~:~o 75 houi"S spent: on thC:~ Est :i.rnat1=.! s Con1rn ·i i: l:r:~es.

Ther·1,, hd:> bHen lltor ·r:~ time spent debating the budget and i.:hE:~ t~st-.:i .rndl:(~~; of the:! buc:lget t:.han, perhaps, anyl:h:ing elsE!, save for· ME! E! c h I_ e1 k e • tAl h 'i. c h c'l 1 !; o h a s g o n 1:~ o n a lot longer than most thJngs that IAJO ul. d h <'I v E:! occur · r'l'' d -i_ n L his h on . HouSE!. Mr· . Speaker·, all. I havE• said here is that if hon. members intend to hold 1~p the Hous(~, thE:Hl IAJE:O :int.E~nd to ensure that the pE!ople of thE!

Province, r:·1nd i:.hn publ"i.c of l::he Province do not suffer 1.1nnE!CC:~s:;c1r·'i.ly, ;·~nd .. in or'dt-:!r' for· us to ensure that that occui"S, if 'i'l: !:>t,~CdlfiE) necr::!~;s.:-H·y for 11s 1-.o implement the rule the hon. member r· e f e r'T' r~ d to , i. 1.: i. s r· E.~ q 1 1·ir- ~) d n o t: i. c e be given thE! day before. That is i:hr:.~ only rt!d~;on, U11,~ only p11rposr.:!. Not~J that I IVlV(~ the~ hon.

ITIC'!ITII:HH'' s ~~~~n·d l.:h.:-1 1: Lhey tAd lJ no L do t:hi .'t l:., th(~n IAJP tAlill not havE:~ ·to USE! it:, ·i n d n y f!lH) n 1-. . fl1 1 1: I l~li:'lrl , .. _ e d l~. o give notice~ jtJst: in cas(,~. I .:1 p p r· E:' c i a L P 1.: h E:~ h o n . 1n t~ rn b '~ r· 1 s cooperation, and I apprE!CiatE! the cooperation of hon. members opposite, and look fortJ.Jard to voting on the hon . ~ember's non-confidence motion as soon as he is rE:~ady. There 'is obvi.ously, J\Jo . 6 r; no point Mr. Speaker. of .. orde1n, R3683

... --....... ·- ~ -- - MR . SPF.:AI<fR : MR. SPEAKFR: There is no po~nt o~ order . MR. SIMMONS: H.:~ di .d jusl:: tAlhi'lt h~::~ told yo11 (inaudibl.e). Private Member•s Day MR. SPEAKER: Tode~y ·is Pr··i.vah~ M~~rnbc~r' s Dc:ty, th~~ hon . the member for Fortune Her'tni tagc ~ adj our·n ed I:: he ~ cl( ~br :~ u~ and he has ten minutes left. T h ~) h on . the IIIC::Hnb E: r' for' For' 1:1111 C:' Hei"rni tage . MR. Sl MMON~> : r.IJr ·. Spe.::tb)r. T Co:Hl llnde:n· ~; Ldnd l·.hi ·) Mjrdstel" for St. Johr1's South (Or.

Collins) -i.s i.n a hHldet' mood lta.vjng ~:cen tho!:~) nE.:tAJ Conflict of In 1: ere s L Gwi . d ~~ 1 inc s . J . Hrl s 1.1 r' ~~ h t.' is a bit nc-:!rVOUS !iOmE:i:>Ody might s p o 1·: t: h C:' r c~ d 1 I' e:~ r'l :; on 1: hey •~J~~ r· c~' l:)l~ought j r1. I subrrdt a good part of l: he rea~' on i. s 1. o u· y •'1 n d Je:1g :it:i.rnizt1 t.uhat h~1 has been doing ct 1 l. r.1 1 o n g . So i. F h e:1 lAkHl L s t o b ~=: DR. COLLINS: The:~y were brought in for a very specific (inaudible). MR. Sir.IJMONS: 1 can SC:'e thai:. were brought in reason, but I tell MR. TORIN: I can for · d him - SE!B they specif:ic Mr· .

Sp(~1ak1:1r, whctl.: ha s thi .s 1;30t to do with the Private Member's Day? MR . SIMMONS: Mr. Speak C:H', wh,:ll.: abo11 L .:1 1nernb~-:~r who does not speak from his own ser:\1 . nhll. i.!) dll. r··i.ghl-. ·i.~; ·i.l., M1~ . Speaker? J am d ck and tired 0 r h i:llJ ·i. 11 g f(J(! rn b (·~ r· !) 0 11 1-. h e gover·nmc~~nt sidE~ bE:~ Uw Sp~~akel". '-368 11- JllrH:1 ?.9, 1.988 \JoJ XI _ or·cter'. plt~as.:~' MR. SIMMONS: J 1.1 s 1: i. n p a s s i. n g , s 1 11 c 1::~ t. h E~ Minister for St.

John's South said sorn(~+:hi.ng mcr·oss the HouSl'>, I say to him that we have seen through this charade here today and it will not save hirn, but I LL.Jant: to l:al.k <'lbo111:. oi-.hE:r jobs t.han Lhe job that 1·1e is about to J.ose, if hE: kc~C"!FJS pi.lSh "i.ng hi .S l.LtCk. SOME HON . MEMBERS : Hear, he:1ar·! f.IJ I~ . 3 T MMOI\J ~3 : There a1 "e other peop1e out thE!rE: , Mr'. ~p~:.~.:-1k e r·, t~Jho 11JI·wn Lh~: 'Y lose theil" l"~::gulal" EHTiployrrwnt, r.ls t:hC"! mi . n ·i. !; l. c:: r· i. ~; :; o on 1-. o cl o , 1: hey do not have any invE:~strnents to faJ.l. b c!l c: k o n .

T h u y cl o n o L h <:1 lJ e •'1 n y 2 S pet" cent shar·es in compari'.lE:1 S. MR. TOBIN: Yo11 hc:we sorne:' gall. . r"' R . ~3 U1MOI\J !) : They do not have a Pl"em:ier lAJho ~i. s pre:~p<H'~~d Lo r'E!IAH'-i. l:C:' I·.: he:: t'lll.c::s l·:.o satisfy any situation .

All they hi'J.VE:~ i.s the:'ir re:~gul.Clt' c:!mployrnent., a few hours in a fish plant, a Few h o u r' s o n a C h r:~ 1.1 e n g e ' B B p r· o j e c t , a few hours on a Canada Job s t: r· a t. e y y 1 n-i. 1·.: :i a t "i. lJ ~~ a n d lAJ h E:: n t. h a t. is gone, they do not have any Pr'~Hn i.e:1 r· l:h~H'C:' rewr· ·i.ting l:he r·ult=· s for them or getting them anothE:r job or protecting their investment . They have no other investment . The ir investment is their time, Mr. Speaker. And thj s HIO'Lion rr·orn my Fr·i . .:~nd for Stephenville (Mr. K. AyltAJard) is an '''flFHH1l l:o Lhc~1 nieHibt!rs of ·th ..

Ls House to stop being preoccupied 1.1ri. l·.h l.oo lei. ng .~·1 f Ler' LhE!ir· OIAJI'l portfolios or their own investment por·l .l-olin~;, lhe::~ ·ir· o1~Jn l"i.l:.tl t:: self -interest, and address the No. 6S R3684-

largest situation, Mr. Speaker, address the,~ lrH'9E!r thi.ng, the question of the young people out i_n thi.s Provi.nc:r:~, 35.6 pE:~r cc,Hll.:, 35.5 per cent of the young people ·i. n t h i. s Pro tJ i. n c (:~ b n l~.I~H:! Q n l h (:~ r:19 E:~ s of fifteen and twenty-four are t.ui.l.:hot.ti.: jobs, 36 pt:~r· cr:~nl.: cornpdrr:1d to 21 pet" CE:!ttt in Nova Scotia. Do you knotAJ, Ml". ~~peakel", by way of:-E:~Xi:l.HlplE!, L:h;,,1·_ Uw NotJd ;)co L·L.·l , .. ell-e , 1~1 I· Li c It :i s fa :i I"J y h j g h t o c ()In p t:H' t'! d 1:. 0 1:. h e n d I i. () n r·l l d •.; u r· d 9 t:!

I IAJe n t: ::L 11 1 9 7 9 , t h a t i s t h e y e a , .. l: h "i ~; P r· t:' rn :.i. l-~ r· l-_ o o k of f' 'i c e , F r· o rn :18. S pE~I" cent to 20. 5 pel" CE:!n-l:. ri'W y 0 I I I: h 1.11'1 e I fl p l. 0 y Ill e 1'1 l. r' cl l. l'' i. n Nova Scotia went up by 3 percentc1ge points. vc,~I"Y sad fot" thr:' Novct Scoti.a. rt percentage points.

T h c1 l:. rn us L young pc::wple IAH~ n l: I,J p b y b~) of 3 Do you know that in thi:!. t s am1.:1 time~ period since that PrE!mier OVE!r ther·e, the,~ lfiE:~rnber· for· Gr·t~en Bay took office as Premier in 1979, t~he youth unE~rnpl.oyrnl:!nt: r·c.·ll:.e, t-~he numbers of young people between the ages of fifteen and tt.~.Jenty--four 1.uho are without jobs, went from 25 per cent of all youths j rt the Pl"ovincr:~, to 36 p(:~r c~:~nl. r:l: IJ.Jenl: 11p by 1.1. fH::~rcr:~nlR9E:' point~;.

At HtE~ same hmE~, 1\11". s p e d k e r I 1: h E! r· r:l l.: u F 0 r· y 0 I I 1: h tHtE!rrtpJ oyment in Ont·ar·io 1..\Jas going dOIJJI1. Tn r"ldni.-Loba ·i.l-. l~kl~; ~;(--.dying s-U!c~dy. Tn Quf:~bE!C it was going dotJ.JI'l. Tn fl.C. i.t I~Jerl'i: lip by r'l c o u p J P of p o :i n t s . I t1 N mo~.Jf o u n d 1 and -j ~~ go n :; 11 p by l l poi n 1: :; so l-: h"' 1: :l () pE:~I" cent or· mo1ne than one::~ out of f:~V e r y 1:: h r~~e y 011 ng NE~tAJF 011 ndl.and ers between the ~ges of fifteen to t11.H:~nty -Four· ar·e t.~Jal.ki.ng around without E:~mployrnent. Now, Mr.

Speaker, we heard them yesterday talking about world condit:ions and interest rates and the state of the economy I 3685 June 29, 1988 Vol XL .· internationally and other conditi.ons universally. That plays part of the role, I am surE:~, Mr. Speaker, in the overall economic situation herE!. We arE! not c:Hl T~;J.i.uJd E:'C(HlOlfl"i.Ct'll.l.y. wr:~ may be geographically, but I fuLLy r· E:~ cog n ·i. ;-: e d t~ u ~)lop 11W n 1:. ~; outs ·i. cl H this small Islcll'ld, this SlTictl.l en c l_ (~ tJ e () r

C) II t' ~; I "i i1 p 0 p l.ll.

Cl l.: i. 0 n t.c::~r·rns, do affect lAJhat~ happE•ns hor't:!. il11 1-, ~1 r-· . ;; FH~ e:1 k C! t" , LJ·H:. , .. e h ,,., ~; l o be a VE:H'Y !.;pecific anstAJBI", an ansi..IJel" s p (! t: . i. r~ ·i. ( l 0 l. h c p I' () lJ "i. n ( e ' c'l ~; L () why our figures are so out of tJJhdt:k 1~ri.lh t·he t•Jhole counl:ry, I~Jhy it is that Otlln r·ates cline so rnuch h:i_ghE:~r·, t~Jhy -Ll·. oi.~; 1-:hi.'tl:. th"i.rty--s'ix out of every 100 Newfoundlanders ,:~r·e IAJ-i.thoul~ jobs, tAJh~:~r't'!a~:; :in Ontario it is only ten out of 100, i.ns l:ead of t:hirt:y-six out of 100 r· i g h t here .

The i.HlSI~.Jer·, Mr. ~:Jp(,~akE!Y', is thE:! administration that we have in potAJer· .:-1t th·-i_~; par·t--i.cul.ar· t::iln('!. It is, Ml". Speaker DR. COLLINS: Do yo11 rnE:~Rn 1-.o compar·c::~ our·selv~~s with Ontar·io? MR. SIMMONS: T f' l_ h e rn-i n :.i. s h:! r t.o~k1 n t s l. o about Ontar··lo, let hirn aJ.so l:i'll k talk IYi.1n fo1n i·ll:) o II 1-. ~;

I) rn f~ o I: h C' i' p l r'l c C :; . I_ e 1-: talk about New Brunswick ex 1-1 rnp l. e , t.o~Jh C! r· r,~ l: he r· d 1: t;! h .::t ~; q on r:• fi"Om eighte(->.n to ttAJenty-ti..IJo, Ol'" in l\J o t; rl S c n 1-. :i d , f r· o rn (,~ .. i. 9 h t E! e n <.·1 n d ''' half to twenty and a half. I think he will recognize thdt we have something fairly in common to ~-loVr'l Scol.:i.a dnd 1\JE~tAJ Rruns1.u:i.ck, and I wo u 1 d be prepared to c o n c e d E:~ to h.irn that concli.Li.ons ;u·~>. sometAJhat different in Onta1nio with the economic through. No. 65 boom l·.:h<:'Y at"C;! going R368S

Th(,~ o{:her· d ·i.rl-f:~r'(:~nce, by Uw ~~'i"Y, in Ont.ar·:io, T ~:ay to the m:in:i.ster, :is 1: 1·11::! y h c:w e a U. b t:H ' <:ll. Co 1; I:H' 11HlE! n 1: i. n 0 n t a r· i o . :30Mr. liON. f-1EMRF.R~: He:H:H', hr:~ar·! MR. SIMMONS : That is not. without significance · gover ·nme .nt: hd~; bt:!C:Hl crank up the E!Conomy eith<.:!r. Tl·1at able to help i. n 0 n t. a r· i o . Let us compare, as he suggests, apples and apples, compare Nova Scotl .a lJ.ri.th Nt:'lAJfoundlctnd.

T dsk h·.im, if he is so anxious to L n t (,' r v t:~ n e h :i. m s E~ l f i. n t: h (;:~ d !::~ b a t e , can he:' explaj n lAihy it tJJas that W h -j_ 1. (~ 1\J 0 V cl ~3 C 0 1.: i. c:1 1 S r• d l: (:~ g 0 E! S I l p by 3 percentage points in terms of yo11l:h (:!lnpl ,oymenl:., or1r• rai-.E:~ hf:~r·~:~ j_n NeiJ.Jfoundl and goes up by 11. per·cenh~19C:' poi .nl.s? r-1 R . J . C 111HT R : YcJtJ klrOIAI tJJhcd. -tltP l~ea son j,s . MR. :n r~MOI\JS: Ml". SpedkE:!I", j_f tl·rE:! mE~ITtbc-:!r for· ~'Jt.

John 1 !; 1\Jor+.h lolObJ~; l:hE! r·e:~a.!>tHl, Ldould he do us cll1d the people of 1\Jc,~ IAlf 0 111'1 d 1. iHH:I C1 f d lJ 0 II r• cHId g i. lH) hi . ~; ma:idf:~n spE~ech in this House:!? Will. h 1-'! g e 1·: up for the f -i. r s t 1.: i Hie ~;-i. n c e he has be8n here as a member and say something of consequence? Will he do that? Will he gjve that undertaklng to the House, that he IJJj_ll give us the benefit of his w"i.sdom, i.nsl :<.:! ad oF s.i.t:.l:.i.ng there and keeping it to himself? MR. J. CARTf.R: Will you give way? MR .

STMMOI\JS: In about four· minutes I lAJilJ g] ve 1.1.1a y 1-. o Hll:' ffl( :'rnb <.:! r . Thdl. ·i. ~; H prom:isc to him . Ml". ~~pei:~kE:H', Hw so]tJtion i ~; not 1.36B6 Jttne /.9, 1.9H!3

I) o l. X 1.. l:h~~ ~;ol .t.JI: ·i.o n ol-l-!~l'!:!d by the nii:!Hlbt!r' for Mount: Pf:~ar·l, the Minister· of r·i.n.c11'1C!) (rJ1r•. ~\]·i .ndsor). The Evening Telegram on ~pr··L 1. l4 Hd s year took the ministE:~r to task for h·i.!; tJt,~r·s·ion of i"c,~dl.il:y. Ii : i~; an editorial hc,~adE!d, Windsor and The Jobless. The eclitor·ial quotes the rrd nt~tE·I~ i.n whr.li: IIIUsl: be one of the;! rnore deJ.ightful, yE!t insulting, quoLE•s hE:~ hi.'lS E!VE~r· bE'!l '!n kr101Alr1 t·.

c) U[:·.t.er. Her·e is his sol.ut::ion Lo LhE! rul<.:!rnpl.oymc ,,nt r·ate. ller·c,' i.s why the unemploym ent rate in 1\lf'!IJ.Jfou ndl.c•1 nd ·i. s so high. H l'! s i:'l y s of women in NE•wfoundland, 11 If she w~s not working, she would not then be an unemployment sl:nLi.~;l.: ·i.c. 11 Thc:1L t~; thl~ sol.u~·ion . AN HON. MfMBF.R: Is he trllldng c-1bout (inaudiblE:')? MR. SIMMONS: 1\Jo, he~ ·i~; l:.:~l.k· i.n<:J ;,\bortt Lho ol .. hE!Y' enlighi:.E:!nE:ld rnin:iste l" fl~orn Mourtt P ~liH' l. . MR. FURF.Y: l,l!d~; he 1 ... allci.ng l.o Chr:-1rli .C:' flr·et.l".: before he said that? MR.

SIMMONS : liE! ot)lJi.ousl .y go 1·. coached by thE! membE!r for Trinity North (MI". Br·r:,t:l:) ,,,ho insu1ting particular· imagine in ~:)p~~dker·, colleagUE!S hr.'l~ > qtt'i.l:u ,_., bat.:l::E!r'y of quotes in this ar(:'r'l.. Su t can you thE! 20th. Century, Mr. 011 (:~ o F y o u r· CliAirl ~d rn IAJi l. J. "i. n g 1 y you credit f 0 l.J.OIJJi. ng: working, she 11111:~rnpl.oymen 1·. you did .not choose and for· l·.:hat: I g-.iUE! saying the 11 Tf she:1 IAJc.H not would not then be an S l:dt :i.:;ti.C. II Th(,~ Mi.ni.~;ter· of i> i.n;:trlCC:~ 1 '> sol.ul:ion is hide a1.~1ay the IJJOrnen.

Hide them Ht•li-1Y •·,nd pr·eLr:!nd l:hE!Y clo no!-: . E:~xJsl .. Do not J.et thE:~rn go Lo 'l:.hE! 1\Jo. r> 'i R3686

manpower office. Do not let them get a seasonal job, because if they show up as a statistic, they • 1..uiJ.l. dr·i.ve:1 up our· unernpl.oym(:1nt. rate and they will make us look bac:l. Thcll.: i.s thr:1 sol.uti.on to !::he pl~obl~~rn. Mr. Speaker. We w:i.ll jUS l~. h i.dE! di~Jd.Y half l·:he l.ab011r' for'Ct~. the:~ hc'l1f which happc:~ns to be fPrnr.ll.E:', ~L.i.dl-~ l:h~'lfl 'di~I·'IY, accoJ"d:ing t.o thE! M:lnistc:~r· of F"i.ni'll'lC<::'. Now, Ml". ~3pE:~ab.•J". that ndrd.s-t·er. 01'1 h·is OIAII'l bt!hdlf'' dl'ld Oi'l behdl.(' Of~ tilE! adrn:ird~;'l'J"i.d·:ion, has ~;om~:! dl'lSI~JE-~I":i.ng l:u do.

T l:ho11ghl: The Evening Telegram, :l1'1 its ed'i.l:or··i.r.1l. of l'.hc1i: Si:Hn~~ r.lc:1h~. p11t. ti·IE' quest:ior1s l"athE~r ~;ucc:inct:1y dnd IAJell. ~:)ollll::! of Lh~~ Cjlll'!S 1: i.on~; in the editorial are: 'Just who is Mr. Windsor trying to kid?' Number· two: 'What is he trying to pr·ove? 1 NurnbcH' t.hr·eE!: 'liot.~J doE:'S he explain his reasoning to the 4-2,000 Newfound1.anders IAJ~lO ar·~:~ curT(:~ntly looking for IAJork?

How does he explMi.n that to these 4-2,000 Newfoundlanders?' Then, four·: 'HOIAJ does he (:~xpl.a i.n l~.o t.he thousands who have given up 1.ook.i.ng for· IAJork, r.~nd ar·e noiAJ forced on the welfare roles?' F·i.V~:1: 'i-IOIAJ d<H;!S he expl.a:in l:.o !':hE! ] 7, 000 youth$ of this Prouince IAJho cH'e Cl.lr'r'E:'nl:l.y sc:~e!ci.ng E:'lnployiii~Hli:., and to the t.housands 1..uho a1"e gradlic:l'l·.--ing in .J11nE!?' [[: goc'!S on, and on, a VC:'I''Y sc:or·:ious indjtmc:~nt.

Th.:1 t: 1~1ho le (:!d H·.or··i_,,,l_ i.!; d lJI·H'Y ~;eJ"iotJ~; :i11d:itm~~nt of this got;('! r· n1nc,, n -1:. ' s d p p r· o i-1 r: h 1. o 1'. h u joblc:~ss :in th:ls Pl"ovinc~!. Ml". ~:;pc:~aker, just to S01nu of l'.l·w 1:h.ings T ·today ClS member· of the:~ my c d p d c i. 1: y c:l s a n M H () . I"E:~flr:~!;=t on h '" 1; E:~ don(·~ House, in [ L:alked one:~ of d lstd.ct., 1·. o d. l. ad y HJi s mo nl"i. n g -i. n the communities in my H a r· b o u r· 11 r e t: o n , d n d s h r:~ L3687 June 29, 1988 Vol XL was talking to me about those Chi.'lll~mgt~ 188 projl:~ct.s. Mr.

Speaker, I spent five years in Ottawa making decisions about Youth Employment Projects. We 1.1 s <::! d -1-. o c d Jl. t h e rn --I I;.,J:i. ll g e t t h e namE• j n a minute -thE:~ member for· !"3 1: . B •'tr' b c:~ (rJ! r . FIll"(~

y) IAii.l. l k n ot.•J . What IAH~l"e thE! Youth • Pl"Oj ects called beFor'E:' l:hey IAHH'e Ci:\ll.ed Challenge '88, the federal youth p r· !) j e c ·I:!; ? MR. FUI~F:Y: Oppor'11Hl'L :-·i.e!~; r:·cH' You·l ... h. MR. SIMMONS: That is one of them. MR. TU LK: Y o 1 1 1'1 g C d n a d c:1 W o r· k s . ~'IR. S1MMONS: Young Canada Works, I think, L~Jas l:he ldtl.:er· na1nc:~.

Thos~:.~ pr'C.H.:Jt'arns which I was responsible for making d E:~ c i. s ·;_ o n o n d u r· i. n g my t .l. rn e i n Ottawa, I rNnembE!r onE! of thE! t h ·i. n g s I;.,JC:• 1.1.1e ,, e v ('!I" y spec oi F i c on was in terms of the hJring obj l':~ct·i.vf~s, I;.,Jho 1/JOIIld you Hlflploy? The overridj_ng objE•ctive 1..\Jas thosE• IAJ he r· r:~ I: hE:~ n r:~ 1::~ d i. s g r· E:~ c:-1 1: c;• s t . a n d that usually meant thoSE! students IAJho I~JE!t't1 goi_ng on to fur 1--.her· thc;dr· employment and neE=~ded Funding l.o pr·lY for· 1-.l.l'i.L:i.on, book~; dnd so on in thE=~:il". nE=~xt y~~ar· j_n un'iVE!I~s::Lty.

Th.·'l L ~~J;:~~; l:h•~ cr··i. h::~r·"i.r'l T h d t.J t,~ 1. o s •. ~ y UJc:•t L 1: i,\1 n cliscover·ing undel" the -Cha11Hngc'! ' fl B p r· o g I'd rn 1: h ~~ . U·J"i. n g h"' ~; go -L: cornplt~-l:c:~1y out of IAJhack and IAihat: UH;' lfll::~lfllh:!t' for· ~ 1·. John'~; ~Jor· l:.h (Mr. CaJ~ter) is suggE:'st.ing is l"lclpf>.E:HI'i.ng. T·l: depE!ncls on, not: what your need is, but who you knOIAJ, cHJd I l"ldlH! Lo point. t:hP blame at thE! Governm~~nt of CcHJacla t'lnd l:hc.;! Tor·y rnt;!lnbt:!r·~; "i.n Otl::diAJa for allowing l:hese pl"Oj E!Cts to becoi'Tif:! s"i.nect-~r·t~s. No. 65 R3687

MR. SPf.AKF.R : Or·dt::H', pJ ease-:!! Tl1e hon. rut::~rnbel" 1 s timt::~ has c.:! lapsed . MR. STMMONS: T l•rh h 1: her·{'! IAJ0. r· E:! ~\ J. ·i_ 1: L 1 ~) Mr·. ~::;peclkPr, bE:!cause therE:~ c o 11 p l e o r o 1.: h e r· ·1: h i. n g s I Jike to say. r~~ therE:' lei::l.ve? No leave. Thank you. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, hE!ar! MR. Br1RRETT : Mr. Speaker· . MR . SPEAKER : J.edue, are ~ would The han. the Minister of Dt::~vc,,Jopment r.1nd Touri.srn. MR. BARRF.:TT: Ml" .

Speaker·, I think it is IAJOinthy l:o noh:~ 1JJI'll''l1 ITIE:~Inbt:~r·~; oppo~;il :e conmt:i 1- to the Or·der· Pape1n fiiO'l::ions :; II c h d ~; '1: h i ~; 0 n u L ~~ oli '. +: h (~ y d r· 1::' <3.1 J ou.Jed t:o do u.r:i .t hout e:wy dE:!91neE~ o f 1" 1::~ 1 e 1; d n c y o r· r· t:1 d -1 l y 1 ·. r· 1 1 l: h d '> i.

I: l'·eJ ates to the c;ontent of the p o ~; J. 1: i. on 1: h c:1 t i. s a ·L L ern p L e cl 1'. o be deb a ted he1ne. ltJ h c~ 1'1 CHI E:! ] o o k s a t t h e W H E R E A S E! s :i t1 Lh :i.s pi:tr·L::i .clll.ell" r't:'solul ·.-.i. on c:1ncl tl"jE~s to ass·.i.rnilatE:1 thosE:' cornrnents JAJi L h 11.Jh a l ·i. s ·t n Fact r· e e1.l i. L y i n NE:~wfound1and and Labrador today, there is ct world of difference. All one has to do, Mr·. Speakc;!t', i.s travel throughout this Province.

The:1 per·c~~pt'i.on th<:l.'l: i.s l::ry-Lng to be left in a devious fashion by some of thE:1 rn~::~mbe:~rs opposi tc,1, and it obviously is devious, it certainly does not warrant any ld n d of r e s p e c t , i t. doe s not have ~11'1 y F o u n d a 1-. :i. o n . -T n fa c 1.: , -1-. h.:., 1-. sorn~~ ·t·h:i ng othE:!r· than a vc,n·y 1.36138 J11ne ?.9, 19HR lJol XI.. pos i. l:'i .IH1 d ( U.

L11de, a 1; er y po s i t:i lJE:! initiative is being undc,1rtaken in r· ' 1 r· a l. 1\J o 11; F o 1 1 n d l d n d 1.: o cl ,,, y 111 ~.:' cl n s they ai"E:! living sornE!Wher'E! in thE:~ rldrk ages, and really hdue not gotten out of their seats and they (I'!Y'l:i :\'i.nly do 1'101. : ki'IOIAJ IAJhi·\t. ·is happening . All one has to do is L r· ,:~ 1; n l t h r o 1 1 g h n 1 1 L I: h "i. !; P r' cnri n c e t. o see IAJhat is happening U11noughou l~ 1: h .is P r·o 1; inc e i. n d 1; E! r· y , v E! r· y positive fashion in terms of ·i.nv<:~:;l:.rnE:~n-1:, :J.n l:.(~nns o·F en1ployn1E:1nL. AN HON.

MEMBER: (Inaud·i.bh~). MR. BARRETT: T IAJi.l.l g~::~t to 8ur·gt~o J.n a m:Lnu ·l:.e. As a rnattE!r of fact I 1Alil1 gE!t l:.o Sur·geo on ~3cd:urdi'IY. And T have,~ been there before. Aut, r~r. Spe.~'lkE:1r, one should look at the employment opportunities dnd the ·i.nvc,1strnc:!nl : crecd~ion act-ivities that an~ bEdng clom:1 in I: h H I· I i:\ p p 'J

l) d ll 1-~ y Coo s E:~ B cl 'J i'l r' f~ c·\ of Lc.d:JI"ador. OnE:~ should at·. !:he ~; 1 1 c c t~ ~; ~; iHl d 1: he J. n lJ c:· s I~ lllC'! n I·. L h , .. , 1··. -L s bE:•ing done,, by the,! Vi 'l1":i.ous c o o p C! r· <.·\ I: ·i. 1; ''~ :; .:1 n rJ I: he p r· "L 1; c.'t 1-·. r:~ sector on coastal Labrador, p r :J.m;H'i l y ,:, !; ·i.l: r· e l cd ·. (,1 s ·l:o l: hE:1 fishery, but just as important1y 1·. o o U·H::H' s 1::1 c hHq; oF ·1·. hE:' t~ con orn '1 , and one should look at what is h d p p C'! n :i n g ·i. n I . ''' b r' iii d u r· W ~=! s t: , j_ n Labrador City and Wabush .

Travelling throughout the Prov·i.nc~::1, Mr·. Spl~ab :!r, as 'it relates to initiatiVE!S in the rni .ni .ng ·i.ndus ·tr·y IJJhc::~r·e tAlE' have seen more activity last year in E:1Xploral.:i.on, corlfir·1nation of new finds, employment creation and i.nv~::1strnenl:., thdn IAH:1 have SE!E!I'l in the last twenty years in this very t rn p o r· 1: ,,, n 1:. s E:' c I·~ o r o f o u r c;• c o n o rn y . 01'1() S h011l.d inu.olvernE:~nt f\Jn . () ') look of i:1 1'. thE:1 Lh1:~ posLi:ilJC"! forestry :in IB68B

·- 6 ... this Province in terms of the amount of tnvestment and the number of jobs IJJith respect to the sawmill~::~rs oper·al:ton, tJJith resp::~cl : to the pulp and paper industry, which ls as buoyant now cts it ever has been since the early 1900s, mainly because of the investment by neiAJ otAJners, as a result: of the d i v e s 1:. i l: u r· (:~ i. n Co r' n (:H' R roo k , and thE:! reaffii"ITiation of the othE:~r OIAHH:~r~; s1.1ch i'I. S Pr·i .cr:~ ·in Grr'lnd Fa] J s and Stephenville IJ..Ij th s i. g n i. F :i c '"' n 1. sup p CH"i . by b o i: h U1 e ft!dE .. rrJ .J.

Cl.nd pi"OVincic'.lJ govt::!r'nlrlent, l:l( )l:h of ~~Jh ·i..-:h ,_:,r'H Conser'IJi:1·i: ·i.ve govE~I"I "ITnE~r1ts, That. has c<:wsed i:t t:J r· e .-1 1: cl c i:1l of s c,~ c 11 r··i i: y . l f one g 0 (-! s 0 u t Cll"l cl t. i'..l] k s t 0 -t h -~ p (:

H) p] (-'! ·in l.:l·lr!s:~ <'l.r'f!d!; iHlcl l.he ·>llt'r'OIIrH:I"in<3 cH'e<:u; IAJhj c h clt'· •~ , .. u l"<d NetAJf ou nd J and IAJho pro1J ·ide Lhe b i'l !; i. C r' ~~ !; 0 I I t' C U pt"oduct · to support and 1: r ·i.e s to 1: e l.l. cH'E! poor·, t·r·it:~s to U1(:~ y r.trt:~ u nemp l.o y Nl, laughed out. of town . these pr•ojects i:h(:~ln -1:1·1d!: 1:hey tell them that i:hey would bt:~ Th(:O! f-Lshor·y i.n l·.:hi .s Pr·ov-Lnc(:~ hc::ts n(,~VE:~r·, evt:'r bE:'en as good as it is today. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. RARRETT : Tt. has neV(:O!r b€:'1'::~n ,,,s good.

ThE! an1ot.nl"l:: of catch, the valUE! of c d t c h , \··.he d ··i,lJ l'! r ~; i. F "i. c d 1". ion o i- I: h l'' Ci:J.i:ch, UH->. amount of sr:'condar·y pr'oCC:!S!>"i .ng l:ha\". i.!> go·Lng on, l:l·1ai-. :is bt:~:i ng nrade s h(,<Lf ·-t"ei:l.dy for· -the consltlner·s all OlH!r' l:he I~Jor·l .cl, l:hr.H: i. !; be i n g do m~ lAd 'l-h j n t. h :i s P t' o lJ i. n c e , ~~~ n. s n c,~ lH ~ ,, d o rll:! b e ·f o t' e . 11!; a ntCitter of fact, jt: tAJas looked d Cli~Jtl I I fl 0 l'l b y 1: h <:.~ p t' C!

l) i. 0 I I !) i::ldrni n:i !~ tr·a t:lon, H1e L.iber·i:l.J adtnint:;l:r·al-.:i.on of I:ITi .·; Pr·otJ"i.nce. They did not t.h:ink thE!r't:~ was a f u 1·.: u I" C::~ f o r' · ; : h E! F i. ~; h <:.~ r· y i n +: h i ~; Province. They did everything L3689 June 29, 1988 Vol XL they could to discourage people From investing or seeking a career in the fishery of this Province. They paid no atlentton to the younger people of this Province look-Lng for a Future in the fisheries.

They can now hold their head up having achleved R place in a significant industry, prov-Lding an above clVerage level of income tn an E!nvir·onment lAJhich I: h e y c: h o o s e 1-. o l. i. tJ e :i. n . fhi .s gotJC!I'i"ltnen::. hr1!> !>l .lppnr·i:l·''d 1--.hai: prjnciple since the t'at ~ly 1970s i:HH.I i. L ·i. !) 1~10 r' lei n g -j n s flo'~ dE!!; . T L is IAJorking in thE! ct"eation of m<:~ny h11ndr·~~r:l~; 0:1nd, 1 i. i·er'i·1ll y, i·hoiiSi'lnrl:; of nE~lAJ jobs all ovet" t:.hc~!

Pt"ou".incE :!, i n I'll r· i:d 1\J r-:•11i F ()II i'l rll. i'II"H 'I ! ('; 0 Up 1:: hE' West Coast, the Great Northern P c-~ n .i. n ~; 1 1 J. ''' , .:1 n d l. o o k "' 1: 1--. h c:• employment levels in Plum Point. Look .:ti: i:he ~::~urployrnr:~ni: l.t'vel. s thdt are in Port au Choix. I will -dE!fy you l. o s ,:-~ y i: h a -1: l. h 1:.~ y cH' ~:! IJJ or· s 1::~ of F than they were ten years ago. r h l'! y '" r· e be:.~ 1: 1:. e r· off ! T h ~:! r· t! a r· t:' tnor·l,~ of l:.hr-~m t~1or·ldng.

The i:l.C Li.vt L:i.C:!S that <H'E:' happen.i.ng in the tourist sector in that part of our Province and Ln othc·H' part.s of our Province, rural l\le11Jfoundl.and have l.ookE!d at wtth excitement the opportunities that <H' e 1: h E! r e F o r· t. h C:! 111 ·i. n 1-: o t.H' ·.i s HI initiatives, and an->. maktng good rnonc!y on i:hHIII. They <'lr'E:! pr ·o u·"i.d i.ng t.heil" OlAJI'I inVE!Stment. funds IAri l:.h ~; I I p p 0 r' 1: ct~t:~ate to r'lgdin From government opportunities -.:in i'!nd r·:i.ght 1-'" c ·i.l ·i L ·i.

H ~; , accornrnodat::ions . ht~r·c~ · di: 1-.r'dC Lions I arn ltv:ing MR. fURfY : ( T n .':11 1 d i. b l . (,~ ) :-1 7 p e ;· . c E:~ n 1: o F yo 1.1 1-. h cannot find jobs. MR. BARRETT: T h ·i. !> P r· o lJ :i. n c E:' r· e c o r' cl e d the highest percentagE! increaSE! tn tourist No. 65 R3689

.· activity of any province in Canada for 1-.tAJO yr:.~r.1rs runrdng, Mr·. Sp~::~aker·! MR. flA'T. RD: GE~t your hE:~Cld out of the->. s<Htd. MR. PFI'\CH: Peopl.(·~ dr'l ·:! IAIIH' k :i. ng . ~:t"tlpid. MR. H(.)RRfTT: Do no 1-. be :; o ThdL ·i.:; IAJhr:11". Ud .s Pr'OlJJnc< :! 1-J,.,s donE~ . Th1::' fish pl.dnL -i.n B11r'ge:~o IAJd:; :;o successful thal a few years ago it IAJ C:Hll ::e d Lo close do1.o~JI'l ancl I:Jli .:; government bailed it out and r· c:! s t o t' t~ cl i. 1~. l: o 1: h E'! p r· "i. v d 1: t~ ~; E:! c 1.: o t' in partnership u.dth gove,~nment.

Last yec:1r the private sector spent $2 million to buy the Newfoundland Gov e r·nmo nt.' s 'i. nte n,~s t out: be c au s 1:~ they were doing so well. Th(->. mc->.mber· OVE!r' Uwr·(~ not.IJ dol::'!> not·. evE:~n l.o~Jant to sPc->. a ,~oad going to the colmnuni .l:y . Tl: i,:; noL on hi.:; fJI"i .OI"Jt.y J:.ist. Rut this go v e! r· rnne n l : rn,, rl :~ ·u·. o:1 co 1'11:1-i. :-.·;,on oF ctll a 9 r· e (~mE! n t t h at r· o a d FH' o g r· a rn s , d :; d r' ~:! s ul. l: of :-.he! c J. 0 s II t' 1·:!

I) r t h (! r·e:d.JI.UC.'!Y in this Pr·ov:incl'::~, was goi.ng l:o b1::~ of b~~n~::~f ·i.t l:o (!ll(!ry ~;j ng] c->. NE:~I.ufoundlandE:H', not: Ll-00 ·or S 0 0 1\J 1:' l;i f o 11 n c:J l. d n d (:' r· ~; . sor.!IF HOI\J. rJJr·:rJJH r-: ~~~'J : Heal~, hE:~CII"! MR. RARRFTT : rhere were 100 or soa Newfoundlanders that wer~ getting ct s ·i. g n i. f i. c "' n -t b E! rH:~ f i 1: f r· o rn l: h 1:~ . railway in this ProvincE~, but today thE~re at'e! 600,000 H1c:1l~. ar~:~ getting a significant benefit from t h a t c 1 o s lH' (:~ , 1:~ v E! r· y s i. n g l. 1:~ Newfoundlander!

Twinning the h.ight•.Jay fr·ou1 htH'C:-) to Por·L <:wx 'R<::\sques: What ·is t.:hat going to do For· 1-.he r:\Vl :!r'age 1\lE~IJJFoundlr:~ndE~r·? Whcd: it hi:ls done for· the clVerage I. 3 6 9 0 J11ne ?.9, 1.9138 \Jol. ):<1 . Newfoundlander is it has ensured l:hl:~ eros!; l..r::ti :H'i.~clor· lli .gh1.1.Jay. It has paved the road to Red Bay.

It h ;~:, done si.gnJfi.cc:tnl: road improvements on the Great Northern p,,~n·i.n~;til .i:l. r: i: h.·,:; !iE!Citr·cd Uw paving and upgrading of thE:~ r-ltngeo Rodd, ilnd iHII'ldl'l::'d!; ;"Hld hundt'(:~ds oF miles of road aJ] over our Pt'OlJ'i.nc~), .i.ncl .1HI 'i.ng ,:, :; .. i.gn :i.F·icant. upgl"ade:~ to thE! Tt"ans --Canada Hi .ghiAlr'lY . Absolutely, absolutely a s -i. 9 n -;, r i c "'n t a c h .i e lJ e 1 n e 11 t. a n 1 J L h r:• morE• people leal~n abou 1:: 'it, thE• mo r· e t: hey d r· (;! J. du g h i.n g c:'ll.: t: h (:• members oppositE• over t.:he tr st:.and on thi .s i.ssur.:~.

They do nol ·:. knou..J hou.J to squirm out of it! They do not knot.-J ho1.o~J l.:o g(:!l: ot1t. fr·o1n undE=·r· because they are afraid to support the govc,~rnrnent on Lh'i.s ··issue. They are afraid to support them. rJtr·. Sp!:~dl<(·~r·' lfrlE!rrlpl.oynH cHll: SOME HON. MEMRERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPFAKFR (Pi"l~sons) : Or·der·, pJ.1~i :\:>f~! MR . RARRETT: UnernploymE='nt :is thE! subj Pet mattr:•r· r

I) r· Ul'i. ~; p i:\t' l: 'i. c II 1 t:\r' 'i.l :: 1:' rn () n 1:. h l:~ 0 r· d €H' Pdp E:' I" . F o I" 1: hE! p e r· i 0 d 1 9 7 ~' l.o 1.9B'7, in l·.hr! pr· :i.lnr'lr'y tolnpl.oyrnr.: !nt. sector of our ProvincE:', for the ('!ci:-i.f".i .Cdl·.ion oi- lfiE:!Hlbt!r'S opposi.l :·.e, we are talking about forestry, f·i.sh ·i ng and rw i.n-i.ng. Th<::!r'e has bE~en an incrE:~aSE! in employmE!JTL rr'Olfl 1.2, 000 l::o 20, 000 . Tn the manufacturing sector of our Province an increase of employment from 1.3,000 to 21,000! Tn our SE!r'lJi.cl:~ :;c~c:l·.or, .an increase in employment From 98,000 to 1. 3?., ()()()! 1\JOIAJ, IJJhd 1:. ki nd of mathematics do you havE• to apply 1\Jo . 6 r; rn690

. ' t-o s<:ly that Hlc-lt is not an i. ncr r:1 r.t s r:1 -i. n E:1Hip l. o 1J men 1: etc ross t h (:1 whole spector of our economy? The member for Fortune -Hermitage (Mr·. Silnrnons) shH'I~.ed l:o suggest and again try to be devious in i. rn p 1 y i n g t h a t t h i s g o v E:1 nnn E! n t h "' s not been liberally attempting to incr•r::1ase l·.:h~'! fe:1rnal.P 1..uor·kE~r·s i.n this Province. Absolute trash! AN HON. MEMBFI~: Tr·a s ~~! Tn~sh! MR.

B!'lf~RETT: Tr1 thP flletriC~gE:!l"'ial and pl"ofc.;!ssionaJ. l:t-ll:egor·i e~; of l'!lllpl.oyni~::'ITL tn l·.h is Pl"OVii'ICE:! :.:.i1·1cE~ J97S, t.l'w inCI"Cc!aSEH.i rl1.11Tli:Hc1t'~; or Ft.!lfldl f! per·:; on·:; I•Jor·k·i ng :·i II the lAJO t' I< p J Cl C E:! h Cl S j rJ C 1" E:~ C.~ S E:'(~ fru1n 1.3,000 l.o /./.,000; ·in Lh1-~ cJCc!l"icaJ l"O]E~, fi"Om 14-,000 to /.0,000; i.n Lhe St-:1t'tJ'Lcl-~ secl:or·, from 9,000 to JS,OOO. Stat-s c i:'li'l .:\ d r:t t' ~~ s I 11 j : •; J g () d i'l cl g e L ·iJ. ' d ·i. g it out, look i:.lt it, J"ectd :.i.t!

The l'.:ol.dl. nltlilbE!t' oF feHJ<:oll.(!S nlnployr,'d :.i.n t h:is Pl"ov· . .i.ncE:' in that. pE!riod of l.:·i.rnE:1 i.nct'(:1c:lS(:!cl fl"c:>JII 4l~,ooo p~:!ople to 74,000. Now "i.n my estimation that ts r.tbout cl BO per cent improvement. This is full-time, pr::1rson l)t-?.ars of employHHo1nt:. If you 1..uant to get specific, Mr. Speakc;.r·, ),!,](;! hr.lv e! d j BlAJl-) J. T th·i.nk in this ·pl"ovince and that is M"' r· y s to lAJ n ~) h i. p y r\ r· cl , e1 s p E:1 c ·i F ·i c industry. As of today, Mr.

S~H~ai<N', thE:.re <H't.• more people tAJorldng at Mar·ystown ~;h:ipyaJ"d than h<:we r.:~VC!t' lAJor·ked dl: H1d+: (aci.l.i.l:y :.:i nce it was built:, 626 pE:'opJ c-:~ as 0 f 1.: hi.~; IIIOHlCc~ n 1: r:H' (-~ IAJO i"' k ·j_ 1'1 9 d 1·. Ma1"yst OIJ.Irl ~::h:i pyar·d. That is s i. 9 n i. f ·j c r:lrl 1: ' T f I) 0 II l. ()

l) k (:~ d i~ll: 1·. h ~~ OJ" fJ ash ~:hE.!(~ts l::hat s p r· ~~ .:-1 d ~; h e l-~ 1. !) comco1 out fr·om :; 1: r:1 1: i. s I ·i. c "'l. c·l g t-~ n c ·i. r,1 •; d !) to unr~rupJ oyrnE~rd , t h~! o f 1: h i. :; P I" o lJ .i. n c e I: h i. :; I. 3 691 June 29, 1988 ·j 1 t' (! l r:l ·1: lc! !) pe l"f o J'·rnr..t n c E:! pa~; 1: rll.llflb~!r' Vol XI. of months has been better than any other province in C~nada as it relates to the jobs which have been created i:l s a r· (~ s u l. t. of initiatives of this governmE·nt, without ctny quE~sl~.ion, Ml". Speaker.

To attempt to try and rCc!Spond to thl:1 !<-i.nd of po~;i.t.i.on !::hat h;:~s bCc!E•n put forward by HIE! LiberaJ. 0 p p o s -i. 1.: :i o n -i. n t: h i. ~; p a r' +:. i. c u 1 i~\ r· mot'.ion, Ml". SpeakE!Y', is almost a g r· d lJ e:.' i n j 1 1 :; 1-. i c e . [ L·. 'i. s I"(;! "'l. ly a serious thing to hav(:• to cons::LcleJ" .:~ JW:11nl:wr· IAJould p11·L ~;uch d pos·:i ti.on on thE! Ol"dE~I" Papel" L~Jhen it -.:i.s so IAWong, :;o 'i'.ol-.dlly r'lnd cornplel·:.c-:>l.y WI" on g for· any p E:~ I" son to s u g g E! s 1 .. 1-.h;,_l: l:hi·; Pr'nl;ince i:; noi'.

E:'CCHIOm:i Ci-.J.lly bett(-?.1" off '!:han -.:i.l .. hr'l·; bf~Crl OlJCr' l·llc! P•'\:;1-. i'llll'rlber· of' y (:~i:l.l" s ' T h e am o u n t of i n v E:1 s t rn e n t :i. n n E:·t.~J :i.n·i.L-i.al·.'i.lJe:;, 'i.n neiAJ sc.i(:!nCE! and technology, new re~earch i. n ·i. t ·i. r'l1. i. lJ f~ :; i. :; I·· he r' (·~ . T h l~ par·t'.i.cipat.ion in thE! acaderrr:i.c and ~; ci.l'! n l·.:i. f-i. c c Ollll'fiU rl'i. 1-. y h i:l s n e ~J E:. r· been equalled before in the h-i_ s -1.: or· y o f 1~. h i. s P r· o v "i. n c e , a n d far· surpas.sing that which is donE! in any other province of Canada!

The per capita l~.e c h by governmE~nt, and j nVE!st:ment in high 1:: h ·i. s p r· o v J n c :i a l the support of its u n ·-i_ lJ t:! r· ~; :i. 1·: y , o n "' p l'' r· c ,~, p .l. 1·:. a b d s ·i. s is bE:'tter· than any othE!r Pl"ov:incE• of C <'In d cl i:l , b d r· none !

T +: L s pi:~ y i. n g off in the creation of new job oppor·l·.ltrd.l:-i.f)';, nr:'IAJ "i.nvestllH'!I'lt: oppor·turd ties fot" aJ l t.he peoplE>., and ·i.n f>dt'l:i.cul.r'lr, Mr·. ~3peal<(;!r', the youth of this Province who hi·llJc,1 nOIAI •:!Jol· souwl:hing -1-.o aspit'lo' ·ro, IAiho can see that ther·e ar·e nE:.t.o~~ -I-.e! c hno l.og·i. c<~\l. oppor· l:11 n i 1: ic-~~; for· them thE:1re. ThE:1rE:1 ar'E:! nE:11Al goa1 s 1 ~J I·J"i. c 11 I: h e y c i.Hl i:l c cpt i. r· ~) . T 1·1 €! r· E~ a r· (:• new challenges for them. No. 65 R3691

I had to speak the othc:1r d<'liJ, t think, on a simi]ar subject, lJ.Ihen LAJe <-.H'e l::t:'ll.k'"i.ng i'lboul: thE:~ out-- -nd.grat::i on frorn this Province. T h t! y r .:·\ i.l. <:1 d 1: o tllf.1 n 1: ion i·. he j n-- nd grcd::i on in ·l o th:i !; Prov:inccO! of p (! 0 f> l.

f) iAJ i_ 1-_ h h -i_ 9 h d 1-~ 9 r• I·) f'! ~) 0 f' :.lei J J:., peopJ e IJJho ctl"t~ cond ng into 1: h i !) flY' 0

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l) f) i·\ 1'1 fHIV: .i ronr11E~nt, Mr·. Spea.kEH', and cHI 0 p fl () r' t: II l'l -i_ t:

I) i·l l'l d 1: h o~ l_ l_ ::~ i'1 9 I·) ~; , IAJ h. i_ C h at"<'" c1~; good a.s anytJJh<:1r'E:1 else in Ci:lrlc 'ldr~ i:od.-=ty. Con i ·. r· r'l r· y i·. o I: he pop u l. d r· b l'! l. i. l:' f oppos:itE~, rnost pc•op]E:1 :in th·.is Pr·otJ"i.nce !<noiAJ l·.:h,,,l- .. lh<-)IJ !<nolAJ i.L:, Hw y u n d <0! J" s t a n d i t , a n d t h e y clln e v E:1 r y s u p p or· U . v e of l:lri . s g o v e r n 1 rHHl L: as a r·esult. Thank you. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hoar! MR. GILBERT : Mr . Speaker. Mf~. SPFf'\I<FR: Thr:1 hon. i·:hl'! rn~)rnbc'·r· for' l111r·ge:~o Re~y d 1 Fspo:ir. SOMF l-ION.

MfMRFRS: li 0. ''' r , h e ''' r· ! Mr~. c:run:Rr : Th<Hik you, 1'-11". SpE:!al«:!l ". Mr . Spe~ker, J am happy to be able 1-. 0 !) h:\ n d d n rl ~; II p p 0 r I·. Jill) C 0 ll 1:~ d 9 II e fr·oru s -u~phE!I'lV:i1J E! Is Jn(:!S01ution' I dill Sc'\d l:h1::' f:~lltpJoyrnt:~nl-. i~; so bad in t-h:i:, Province t-hat LAte had to put ~: h -;_ s r· E! s o 1 u ~~-i. o n o n i. n · p r· i v <:'! t ~~ rnembr:~rs 1 day, but ·after listening t o t h e h o n . 1n ern b e r· f o r· S 1: . J o h n 1 s West (Mr.

Barrett) there, I had the feellng thctt maybe if 1 was back· tn a time capsule, as the melllb~:!rs ovr:H' th~::H·e St:H:~m to be, and we were back in the late 1930s and E~cH'1ye 19'1-0s, r:1nd ·;_;~ IAk\S Na;.ci. 13692 Jum~ 29, 1988 Vol XL I Gerrr~<:tny, T would hdvr:~ ft1l t that the minister had his statement wr·i.l:-l:~~n for hint by God)bt:!lS. It. seemed then that the more you tell d !>-1-.or·y, Uw mort:! Pf'•oplE~ IAJill belitwe it. If you tE'll it. often r,~ n o 1 1 y h , y o 11 h o p r-:! Ukt 1-. p f:• o p l t:! I;.Ji ll believe->. it .

T ~lso IJJas reminded of the old :;ay'i.ng l:hi·li ·.: "f"i .<:Jitr· ·e:; do nol: l·i.t::' but lic1rs figure. 11 So, Mr·. ~:; p e ;,, k I·) r· , I. hI ·) g c~ n I!.! r· •·ll con el-i . l:. --i. on s i n Ul'l<:~rnp1oyrnE:!nL in t:.h:.is Pi"ov:ince ha s b 1:' 1:' n i:l d 1:' q 11 i:\ L ely r:l ·i. s r: 1.1 :> ~,; e! rl by 1:: 11 u Leader of the Opposition ye ste rday o:Hld Oi:l'lr'!r' i'(JE!llli:HH'S d:; ·l·_hE•y spoke~ 01'1 this. I am fortunate in one lJ.Iay, I supposr.:', l:h;'ll--.

T r·epr·esr::.r1t l::hr:~ district of Burgeo - Bay d 1 fspo i.r. 1\JotAJ :i.n Rur·geo it .s r:~lf, . as the minister poinh~d out:, and I i:Hn 91 r'\ d i: h a i: g o 1-: l·_i'H' o u g h 1:. o h i rn because over the last three years as l h<:llJf:' si:ood ·i.n l:hts :-lou";~~ iHlcl talked about the Burgr:~o Road, t.o p o ·i n I·. t·: h ;,, i ·. r .:=t 11~1 <.·liJ s rn d cl e 1-: o 1:: h t:~ Premier and the Minister of Tr·c'll'l~>por·i· . .:-ti ·.·i. on, i:lnyonr::' E>l~;e IAJh(~J'l T talked about the:~ Burgt=>.o Road tAJCl ~> i:he r<:1C 1: l:hi·t 1: Tltlr'gi: 'O i:lnc:l R.-:-\nle.:-1 and that e~r·ea IAJE~r<O! the mos ·l.: (!COI'lOfll"i .Ci\ll .y lJ i,;:lbJ.e COIIllflllni·i·.i.p!; ·i_n the Prov:i .nce by v:irtur:' of thE• fact: Hli-11-. i.he [-·ish pldni.:; IAHH'C! 1-:hr•r·~ :· and HH~Y IAJer·c-' wot"ld ng full -t:ilnE:•.

J'~l'!d -lly 1·.1-wr ·::! i,:; no ltnf'!l'llp-1 OIJIIlE!lTI·_ in the Rurgeo end of the district. flll 1: 1: h f:~ ':) c'\r ' !) r:l i. ~) .:-\ d

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f) fact: that they got a road that :is nol·. fi .-1-. for· thr.:~ T'IAJr.:'I'JU.I :h Coni· .t.tr'y. T h i. ~; 1: o k 1::~ n i. s m 1-: h"' 1: 1AH~ IAJE! n t: -i. n l~. o it lJ.Ihen we sold the railiJJay of pu1-.Li.ng $12 rni.11.i.on i.nto that road over the next threE! years is really not IJJhat the people of Burgee deserve. They deserve a Jot be!-:ter. Twelve million dollars should have gonE! j n OVE!l~ l·. h e l d s 1:: t h r· f~ e y e i'1 r· ~; c:·\ n d t. h f'! r· o d d No. 6S R3692

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l) I·) b (':~ ~) r1 C:OIIlpl.e:~ l:l;!d 'I I 1~n ··.n t hi:. agr·eentent . So, I 1~10111.d be hdppy '1-.o de:~bc:tl:t! that tu:i th the hon . ruernber for B u r g c~ o o n :3 o:l -1: u r· d c:l y , ·~ n cl T h d v e <'1. fEH:~J ing I nright get some support for· 1ny U·H~or·y on whd.L should I:H~ done on the Bul"gE~o Road. Ru ·l the important thing that I IJ.Jdnt t:o tRlk about t·:odc:1y, Mr·. Speaker·, j s thE! fact that in the o t. h e t' (~ n d o f l: 11 E~ d :i. s t r"·i. c t: o f Rur·geo ..... Bay d' Fspoir· we have l:he h i.g hE! s 1. u nernp J.o y1nr-~ n 1:. i.n Cdnad<:~..

Wh~Hl I hc,~al" hon . members OVC:'I" 1-. hE! r· E! s l~ r:1 n cl u p , 1-: h c,~ M -i_ n i s I: E! r· of CcH' e ~~ l" II c,~ v ~~ J o prne rd: ( Ml" . Matt h eiAIS) or· I~ h C:' r-1·i. n ·i. :; I ·.I:' r of ::> o c 'i. .-~ l !') e r· 1.1 i. c 1,, ~; (Ml". Tobin) and ti)l]k ver·y pr·oudJy .\bOll 1: i'li)IAI l:he:~y cr'Pd f:r:~d f:en jOb!; ltere and dor1e this, i:lnd we have dont1 l·.hd~ :, ·i. 1: lfli:\kt.::~!; rne '>i:\d IJ.Jhen- T t ld 11k of the people that ar·e 1. i. I.J ·i. n 9 i n l1o.'llj c:l I F !) p (l i r' b ~~ 1. 1)1~1 1: hI ·~ p o v c:~ r· t y 1 :i n E~ .

P e o p 1 e a I" E! b i-..tr' e J y c x i :; i: i n g , go i. n g f r' c:: 111 u n 1,~ 1 n p l.o y HIe n i: l. o ~; o ci al ~; ~H' v i c e:~ s ·l o ct n 1 a k C.;! - IAI o r· k p r· o j 1::' c 1: i. o 1.1 n 1::~ 111 p 1. o y 1 iII-) n L , L.l·11,~ 11-?. 1. 0 :.yndr·orne:' l~hat :is cr't!at.ed by the go v e r· mne n L . MR. TOBIN : lio you want more projects in your d L s t r' i. c l: ? MR.

GILBERT : Fo1" thE! int:ere:'st of the M:inister· of Soci .t:ll. 3(-!rv icE~s, thE:1 last pr·oject that he stood up and proudly ctnnounced, ten jobs for the Ray d'Espoir area, the shipyd.rc:l, they ar~ not able to fill it, Mr .. Speaker, because it d -i. d no 1: rn e ~) 1: i: h 1:~ cr· i. 1: e r :i. ,,, 1 1 n d e r t h r . .d: f ~H.:I era 1- p r· o v j n c i a 1 • :~gre(:~lflf.!nl:.

Yo11 l·l·:ll)l:1 gol: Lo hdtH) f'l'll"t'!e peopJ e on J ong- ·t.E~rrn we~] far~~ i:Hld i.o l·.dk£.) i.n l·.l-11-:! yo11 l.h ;uu:l Uw oi.h~~r· pc-'!opl.o t·ht-l+ · tHit!fllploy~:!d in U1tJ 1-. i:\r'ei·\. ~-)o i:h:~ 111 i.rl'i.!; l:er· ·i.!; no 1. l oo tJJ~~lJ i.'l.IJJc.tr·e of IAJhat. :is going on 1.::3693 J llrlE:~ ?. 9 ' 1. 9 133 lJol XI .

I ·i. n h·i . ~; d 1:~ p ,., r· l:rnt~ n ·1·. .:1nd -Ln especially iH'l,~r.l. in the Bay d'Espo'ir I am going to quote a few s I: a 1.: -i. :; 1.: :i. c s d n d 1:: h E! n T c\ rn g o i. n g l: o let the people of Bay d'Espoir say to thE:~ lnenlbE:H's of 1·.:1-d.s House I~Jhat I have said to members opposite in my l ~} t t e:~ r s to 1:. h c,, P r· (:~ITri. e:H' and <:'J.J .l the rest of the ministers c o n c C:' r n :i. n g l: h e L: C:! r' r· :i. b l e c o n d i. l: :i. o n s there. DR. COLLINS : ~,Jhdi: suggest.i.ons hc:lue you rnade? MR. GILBERT: I wilJ have my suggestions .

ThE:' rninistr,,r does h (:' ~\ r' , Y ()II ~; (! :-) • 1· hI·! St. John's who rents l:o I: he gotHH 'nlfH :1n 1:, w~nt. to hear not t.o.Ja IYL l. o l. <:Hl d J. o n:l f r· o 111 hj s buildings ht:~ doe!> not: about lhe III'H)Iflpl"oyllleni. ·in f1i:ly d' F:;p1ri.r· . ~1\J iiOI\J. MF.MBER : (Inaudible). MR. GIL.HFrn : T h E:1 y I.1.Jl. l. l b e c o n c t'~ r n u d too, they will IJJant to you sdirl about il:. MR. FUREY : i:\bou-1:: hear that. what. He was going to kick-start the (:~conomy _ MR.

CILBERT: Anyhow, tl1e unemployment figures in the Bay rl'Espoir area from MjlltoiAm, Morrisville, the HE!ad of l·.hc,~ Fli:\':J, Sl:. Albdn's, l·:hel"t~ ar·e 4, 100 people lj ving in that arecl, r.l!r· . Spc-)a k er· . . 01.1 t 0 F I~. he:\ t.' UH>. re is a work force of about 1,700 . 011 '1: or l:ha ·f:, i:\1:)011-1: /. 1)0 of l.:hE!rrl ar·e full-time workers, and they are l:l-11,~ onco!!; 1~1ho 1~1or·k IAJ'i.l:h Hydro and there cll"e foul"h;:1E:'I'i of t.hc,~rn nOIAJ !:H) · i n g 1: a k e n I o ~) I . . .J o h n ' ::~ , !> o 1:. h r.·l'i . is going to dt::~crc,~asc,~ t-hE:~ fulJ ---t:·.irne 1\Jo. (jlj R3693

workers by fourteen. As a 1natb~r of fdct., soJrH:~ of t.he people 1J.1ho tJ.Jork with Hydro suqg(:~su,~cl i:o rne l::hal: r l~eJ.l Uri.:> hon. !lousE~ about t.his: Hydro hr.ls a c on i·: ~~ s t: I: o n r.\ I ill:~ t·. h l:~ b 1.1 ·i. l d i. n g i ·. h P y cH·e going to bu:ild in Sl:. John's . S 0 i: h e fl (:~ () fl 1. C i. l'l

I) r•\ 'j d I f7 !) fl 0 i. r' h •'\ \) e :;uggc'!~;·t·ed to rne t·hclt t·hc~y should c: r:1l. 1. i i: ' T h c ll d y d 1 r: ~; p o ·i r· nu -.i. J d :i n g , ' i n ~d e ~~' or t h e f c. c t 1-.i 'll)'j ,'lf'e Lc:-1ki.ng i"ntlr 'i·y~)n job~; l)tll: of IIIF!l''~'. ~'lo J pi:!~;s t-hat i-.. tJong. Ri .ghl: no1~1, Lh~~ ldl:r:'!;l ·. '>i.dl·.i.!;i:i .c~; r hi-HJP on Ul'l(:!rnployrnent show B91. of l:hern fr'Oill ~:)I~Ji:11'l9fO!r'':; CUIJC, :> i .. Joseph's, St. VE '!ronica's, St ..

Alb d n 1 s , Mo r· r' ·i. s u :i.l.l P. , M ·i.l1. +·.own , IIE!ad oF lh~~ R<:1Y arE:! unemployed and ar·e coll.ecti .ng LJI'lNnploymE:~nt. insurance. There wets a survey done a couple of year·s ago tJ.Jh .i.ch poi.nt.s out some interc:'S ting facts too. ThE!Y SlH'U~~yrHI ?. , 000 p(:~opl~~ l~Jho l. i.ued i.n that ar'E!a.

Out of them, 69.4- per cenl:. of l::hr~111 had lAJor·kecl i.n l::h~::! previous year etnywhere from zero t:o rdne lTlont.hs; 3'7. 2 ptH' CI:O!nt of thoge people, . ten weeks, zero to ninE:~ IMl:~E.~ks, 37 per c:c -~ni:; l'.<:~n tAJ<:1t~ks on] y 1 J. r., pE~l" cent etnd fl"OTn eleuli:~n 1:1) I.:IJJCnl ·y I~H:~f.'k~;, l.H 7 fll :~ r· Cl:~ni; fo1" 69 PC '!t' CE.~nt of t·h8 pco!OplP out

I) r I. h (! I. 0 1. ··11 1~10 t' k ,.,.

C) r' I; I·) 11 i.'\ cl l~JO r' k l'! cl 1 (·! ~~ ~· t h iHI t IAJP ITI y lAI(H:! k s ::i 1'1 t· h (:~ y l'!dt ' 1\J ()I AI ' rJJ i" . ~) p r.~ d I< (~ r' ' '·. h <'\ i ~ i. ~; 1·. h (! !)

I) r' I~ of ~•'1-cd'.ist:ics IJJE~ can talk about. !;J 1::~ c d 11 h l'! o:\t' .::~1.1. i: h 1:.~ g 1 . 0 !) s y r -i_ 9 II r· f)!; corn:i ng fr·om ouc,H' ther·c:! iHld how tJ.Je r'\rli:~ i.1npro1J ·i.ng HH:~ (·)rnpl.oylfH:'I'li: and umHnployrnemt in the Bay d' Espoir i'lrt~cl or i.n 1\lc~t.~ifoundlrHld. Rul: T. te~11 you right no1JJ, and as I haue sctid, t hctue rectlms of letters down thE!re I haue wri t:ten to the P rPm i. ~H' an cl ~'! u E! r· y o t he r· rn i. n i. s t. e r· OUE!r there concer·ning the Bay L369'~ June 29, 1.98B Vol. XI. d'Espoir. MR. TOBIN: You haue never written me a letter yet. MR. CTLAF.IH : Ther·e a1"e Jots of thE!Il'l down ther·e-~ !-Or' 'jOII l h ;" lh! fn··

l) s C! n i: c d p 1:' 1-. i. I: ·:.i. o n s - MR. TOilTN: (Inaudible). Mi~. CTU1F.:Rr : T h c:1l" c:~ i s n o n E! s o b] j, n cl a s l h o s E! t~Jh o ,~, -1. J.l. n I) 1: seC! . the Minister of c rJJ r· . To b t n ) . c\l'ld i·:h.-11 ~ Soci.al ·i ~; l. ..i. k f'! Seruic~''S 1: i~ d J. k e d a b o u i·: I~ h l:• u n ern p l o y m <:! n t:. i n Bay d' Es poir. I haVE! tJ.Jri tten t.he Minister of Socidl Services, I haue written the Premier and he t.~od.l.1 be gett'i.ng sornc'! mor·e letters. I tJ.dll get you copies t:ornorTOlAJ of r~uer·ytlri.ng I got. I j l.l ~d: l·w rH'cl ~:hI::! lfl(;!

Ill~)( '! r' F 0 r· ~3 t. John's West (Mr. Barrett) talk dboui'. i:he for·e:; ·t-.r·y l~IOr'kt:!r'S. v~eJ. 'l., I wi 11 g i v e him a f E!lJ.J s t a t i s t i c s db o 1.1 1-. l: h ~:! f o r' c-) s i. r' y IJJO r· kr::~ r· s ·i. n Bay d'Espo:i.r·. One hundrli:H~ and f:ifi ~y oF 1-.h,,,,n dl: onP i: ·irnP tmH 'f:! pc,H'rna n en t, par· t- U .TTIE! ernp Joy e E• s l.lJ 'i i.h i.hr· Dlc~piH'Lilli· :·n·l-. ol.,. r·oi "C!S tr·y. 1\11".

SpE!clkE"l", l:hdt has bt'•t :!n dorw i:\I~Ji'\ y 1~ri . 1-h , ;Hl d T h ;:\ lJ :'! 1 r-~ I~ 1- E! r· ~; hE! l" l:! 1~1 h i c h I am g o i n g t: o r E~ a d t o t J·H~ Holl';e t:IHlC:I·~r'iTi .ng i.hr) p1'i.ghi: oF t.·hose pc:!oplE!. Now thPr'E:! are onE:' htltH :Ir·~~d i.HH.i F·i.Fty of HH'·tn tAiho hau~:~ to go out and try to find jobs in t·.ha I: .:\r'c:~i:1. • r f o n e h u n cl r e d a n d f :i. f 1: y p e o p 1. E! lost thedr jobs in Si:.

John 1 s or· Cor· n I::! r B r· o o k , t: hE! r' E:~ 1.1.1 o u l. d b ~~ a 1.1 kinds of inquiries about it and t·.l'w r· E! 1~10 u 1. d b <:1 s o tw~ 1-'. h l n g do n (:! t: o alleviatE! the suffering. But IAJhclt No . 6 5 IB691J.

t~Je hove het"e i ~: the For·es tr·y l)epr.n·l·.lnenl: d~-:~c i.dco~d Uwy t•J•"lrll:~~d Lo g~1t those fe] lot.a.ls out b~!Cetuse they ~~ft-)r·~~ pdy i.ng and $:10 cHt 1-.helll hour·, good lllOney, $9 so th~1y put it o 11 1-. 1··. o p r· "i. v d 1: ~~ con 1-. r· '-" c 1-. or· s . The ur·i.n·i.:;l·_~:lr' l10IAJ l:.eJ.l~; Hit·~. 1 ~\ltol '"rr-'! sp0nding just as much money in Bay d I F s p 0 i. r n OIJJ d s IAHo~ IAH:: t' (o~ Un· C:' e years ago. 1 Stat.istically, again, hcol i.s r·i.ght. Li.kt :' [ sa"i.d, figurt:'S do not lie, but liars figure . ~> l: at: L s -1-. L call y t h :=! r ('! ·i. s j us 1:.

"'s much money going into the forestry i.n 8dy cl 1 Fspo .Lr notAl as Uwr·e tJJi:t:> threE:! yea1ns ago. There is only one little di fftq"c->.nce. ThrE!(~ yc->.atns ago the people of Rdy d 1 Fspolr were getting the benefit from it and h.:~d good jobs , roHilp J. o y ed hHl 1: o fifteen weeks a ye~r and were gett·i.ng good unt·Hnployrnenl-. IAII·wn they '"''E:1r·~1 J did off. ~J OhJ IAJI'h•l L h i·l ~; h .:·1 p pen e d , r-1r· . :.) p col·:~ k e r· 1'-1 R . TO FllN : ~\1 h ,., 1:. 1 n i. n i. :; I: r;! r· ( "i. n d 1 1 el-i. b ll~ ) . MR. GTUH.:RT: Mr.

Speaker, would you ask that 1ni.ni .ster La :i'i.L ln h:i.s OIAirl S(;lal:? Mi~. TOf3C~J: Whi:lt about? minist.E:~In AN :-ION. MEMRER: You! MR. GILBERT: are you talking Whi'l 1: has hdppenr.:'d no1JJ, Mr. Speaker, is that private conl:r·aci":ors hdtJe no'"' yol: i":I·H~ for· e s t I" y c o n t r a c t t <:t k E:Ht o v e r . The peopl.c,~ oF f3t.'ly d 1 Fspo -Lr· c1re liJor·k·i.nl.:J for· rn:i n:irnum Lllf.~gE:1S and t hE:~Y ar·E:~ Hldk:ing SOIIIt:! cunl ·.r·;H:I:cH'~; r··ic;h ·in Net~tfOl.ll 'ldJ.and. Thc-1t is thE! soc:i.dl U69!i J I.IIW ?. 9 ' 1. 9 B 3 lJol.

XI . pr·og ram you put in d 1 r:::;po ·i r·. bidding on ~~ome r~)l.lotu a contr·act in Ray COIIIC'!S in and takes UH~ 1ncHH)Y oul ·. on hi .~; back. IL "i.s not going j nt.o Ray d 1 Espoil". I Pl"esented a pc-:'tit:i.on :in thE! HousE:~ sonll-:1 l.i .IIIE~ ago, 3 May, r:\S d matter of fact, which nobody l"i.stenerl to over there.

It was signed by a couple of hundred pnopJ.~~ down ·in f3clY d 1 F.:spo i.r and r am going to read that petition bncausr=! thai : !·:e lls trtorl '~ a.boul: . l::he condj tions in Bay d 1 Espoir· t:han a n y l: h .i. n g T c o ul d s i:\ y , a n d l. 1:. ·i s much more E!legant than anything I could Sr'\Y. It. says: 11 To the hon.

HOUSE! oF Assembly in Par·J.·iautr:.ni-. a~;st:!lrtblod T do hereby present a petition on I:H:~ h ;~ l. f of i-. he u n cl EH' s i g rH:! d residents of Ray d 1 Espoir, r.IJ i.l.l . 1: OI~Ji'l , ·j n 1: h ~~ (~ l. (~ C 1:0 r r:-1 l. district of Rurgeo - Bay d 1 F ~; p o ·i r· . 11 At the pt"E:!S(;~nt: l:inte t.~JE· i:ll"e ;,) p p ;,, 1 "1. c cl by I: h c 1'1 I I rnl:w r·· () r p f'!

C) p l p IAihO al"e Lll'll':!rrtployf:'d and Cli"E• VE:!I"Y 1 t n r:1 b 1 t:! 1: o s e r: 11 r· r:!

f) r11 p l. o y rn ~=! n 1:: ·i. n 1·: h I'! Ray areo. Immediate work is badly n r.:H:!d t~d Mld i.rnnH:'d i. r.1 Le jobs hi:! v c to be made available in order for the r<:ls·Jd<·:HlL!; l:o deplorable standard l:hE!'!J l'lOIJJ hi.WE~ .

Jrnproue of living t:he tha l: 11 The un(:llnpl.oy~=!d pc;!opl.~~ .in Bay d 1 Espoir are very much frustr·atE!cl and dJsappo""i.nl: .lnE~nt: i.s r'alnp;:;tnt. tJJh~Hl we hear of outside contractors g i. v E! n c o n 1: r· a c 1:: s t. o p l. a n t: t. r· e E! s .i n our area, bringing in unE!rnployE!d p e o p l. e f r· ow e J. s c->.1~1 h e r· (~ 1.11 ~H:Hl o l.tr' local people go w~ thout jobs. We Co .'\rl pJ.r:·\1'1 1: '1-.r'(:leS i'l. S l.a.H~ 11. CIS outsiders. This cannot. bE:' al1otAJE!Cl I: h ·i. '' •; r,l ''' :; o n . II r.IJ;-\1") Y f

l) t' c;~ !) 1: sec: 1-.:i.ons n(:!ed l·.o be LIJorkE:~d on in r·E~gal"d l:.o 1\Jo. 6S rn695

I reforestation and many jobs can be created clllowing for more people to gain employment if the government. Js t.ryi .ng l:o r·estor'<c~ r.l fast dwindling natural resource. 11 1\Jow, Ul.i.s i.s for l·.·.ht~ M""i.n"i.s Lrn· of SocJ a] SCH'V:icE:~S (Mr·.

Tobin): 11 The unc~mpl.oyed Pt~opl.r:~, I~JhE:'n l:hr,,-i.r· UlC bE:~neLits haVE:! lnUtJ out, have no ol:her· c:hoi .Ct'! br.1t l:hr·o1.19h our· Soc:ic:.tJ SE:!t·v:i.cr:~:. to ge:-dn social I~Jt,:l f,H'I·~ Hloney l.o kenp l:hc~ i.r· fdnd J :1 C'!~;. 11 Thc~y t·hen cti'"E~ put to WOI"k wi ·t-h p r' ·i. v .:-1 I: ~' C! n I·. e r· p r' ·i s 1-~ s n n l. y I: n b 1:! pa:id J·1ot by pi"".iva"l-t::' E:1nler·pl":i.sc->. but by ~3 o r: "i. ,-., l. ;) f:~ r' 1.1 1. c c,~ ~; .

T h c y 1: h t-:! n hc1ve to IAIOJ"k f"o1" vpr·y ] OIAJ IAJi.-l.gE~s, $5.00 rHl hcJIIr', •:lrlci f·ind ·i 1·. ver·y djscourag:ing IAdth not 8nough Finances to buy household needs w~d ch are so costly at this time in our· l."i.vr,,s. 11 0ur· people ar·e forced to IAJOt'i< for rninimurn IJJages. We trust, and do believe, that the present PC adrn:inist1nation can do better· to i.111pr·ovP t.hP 1:i.vt,,~; of l·:he pE:~oplr:' i.n rural areas like ours.

II Wf:~ C h (;! t' iSh 0 Ll r IJJe do not want -in other r:H't~as. ho1nr:~ \Ji.llagt·~s and to live our ltves 11 P l. e .:-1 s e r-:1 q 1.1 "' l. i 7. t,~ I h e j u b ~; f u r· I: h e u n em p J o y E·! d a t 1 d n o t c e n t r· a 1 :i. z e "!":. h e m S 0 0 II r p e 0 p l C h <:l \) t'! 1". 0 b ~:! r· H 1110 \J C! d f r· o rn ·t-I" r.HLi t :l. o n i:l ] J j f e a n d t o "!-a b~ 11 po n 1-. h c,~lll!> r,, l. \J t·~ s life-~ whjc/1 t·hey I~J"ii:h. 11 .:-1n 11r·b.1n find har ·d l•kl'j () f ·t· o cope ~1 r' ' ::> p (:' r'l !< ~~ r· I I: h d I·. ·i. !) ,-., pl.~:~ i:\ f t'

l) In the'! unemployed pr:wplE>. of Flay d 1 rspoi .r·. The M i.ni .s 1-.er· of ~'>oci.dl. Ser·v:i ces (Mr. Tob:in) Cc1rl sit there dnd l..:-1ugh dl.l ht:~ J."i.!<~-:1:;, bul·. i-.hdl: is a pJ.e,,a fr·orn the people of Ray d 1 E s p o l r' IAI h o IAlril n t j o b s . T h e y d o not 1.11ant social service, they clo L3696 June 29, 19B8 Vol XI_ not want to work for mtnjmum wages -i. n p r i v d "tt::~ en t. e nn· i. s e . T h ~~ y t~JcHl t to have work and the government ~lr:l.S thf:~ opportun-i. l".y to do. Th~' wear with all is there. If I have t h t~ 1.: i. rn(:' , T.

IAJi.ll b f:~ a b 1 '~ 1:. o 1: e->.11 Lhem whdt they cctn do. AI\J 1-101\J. MF.MBF.R: (Inaud:ib]P). I'-1R. GILBFRT: rJJ )'" . ~) p (·:! d /(!'! r· I i L ·j <; !) 0 r' 1: () f d c r· i Ill e OVE~I" hPI"E•, 01" a Cl'·jrnc-:~ fOI" TIIE'!IflbC"i"~; 1)\JC!r ' her·t:1, rHlljOI"lC I•JhU hd!) be• en successful in business, that is con: ;· i.dcr·t~cl ;., c;"'iiiiH otJ <:!r' l·.her·e. r:r you have r1oL bPE!n ~;uckjng l .. he go lJ t'! i" J'Hflt,1 n 1·. 1-. i. 1·. ;,, -11 your· l. -i. Fe , y n u havr:~ CJ. plnob](:,m, but :lf you hi:'IVE:! b fc' lc' 1'1 ~; I I C C: 1·1 •; ~; f I tl. j 1"1 b II S i l'l (!

S S , t.hr'tl- . aJ.l lAic\ S is a crime. I am not at a~; hr'llllt~d of Hw Fac ~~ thd 1.: "[ successful in busirtE!SS. I would like to rPad letter concerning unemployment. AN HON. MEMBER: (T.naudLblP) . MR. GILBERT: l..!:~i: !:he-:~ fH~Ofll.E! about that . of Rurgt:!O another youth t.<"~ 1 l. you AnyhotJJ, Mr . Spe->.aker·, :it :is all r·iyhi: for· l.lw lrlt~llli:lt·:!r' ::: Lo jc'!~;l:., b11t: Ud s ::i s a ~; e I'' i o us pIn o b 1 em L h a l:: I h i:1\Jt:~ , II i"H~ 1 fl p -~ 0 y HI(! 1"1 1: i n 8 d 1j d 1 F s p o j I'" .

I C\ s I< eo~ d t h :i s young rna n !:;() "f. ;11n gcl"i .ng l.o r't-:!.~d his l"ldlll(,~ ·:i.n the r·e cord. He IArr·ote rne a 1 E:!t. te I" cont:t~r,·n·i.ng tli"lt1!llpl.oyHlenl:. ;,1nc:l ht:! to] d TTIE:~ it IJJc\S al1night. So I am 9 I) ·i. 1"1 y L 0 r ,., b l , e U·H~ l. (:1 U·. !:H' . y 0 1.1 d () not want the name, do you, r'l·i rd.~; l:f:H' of" Soci.i·1l ~)er'lJi.C(:'S (Mr. Tobin)? MR. TOBIN: (Indud Lbl.E~) . No . 6 5 R3696

I MR. GJL RFRT: rll.l. ri.ghl:, for· l:he benef"i .l: of l:he M:in~istc,H' of Soda] Serujc~!S, I I~ I i. 1. l. n 0 I: S c"'l 'j h i !) 11 d IIH~ . fl e S d y !; , "T arn jn l.cu~1] JTI at Gi"~!~:!nwood High :Jr:hool.. :1s 1~r·i l:h ':!lt'ddua l:·i.ng ~:l-udc-1rd·s thr,!r·~~ :ls "* SE:H1Sc->. of pi"idE:! i"'tl'ld c:\CCOillpl."i.shHH~nl:., b11l-. -i.n 1fly Ci'\Se my sense of pride and dCCOrnpl.i .Sh111E~nl.: "i.s S01flf:11AJhr:ll.: h-.i ndE:H'ed.

AJ J through rny acadE:'mj c school. yl,~ars I hr:wc-) l::r·"i.ed my bf:':>L c,d- achieving good mar·ks and so fa1~ h au o b I::HH1 s u c c e s s f u 1 i. n do 'i. n 9 j u s i-. that. "Just last lAJ~'ek rny class senlor prom. The whole was bE:~aut:i ful and it was br.td that you missf~d 'Lt. had its Cl~r·r::!lnony just too "Dur·i .ng Lht1 gr-r:tclU<"'ll".ion our homeroom teacher. Miss L. Pumphr-ey, read a i-.eJ.l:'gr<:lH1 fr·orn yo11 ~;tat j n g that if you co u] d b.e of Rny a!;s-i."s l:dnCt1 l:o us, you IAJOuld bf:' only i"oo glad to hr,!J.p. II w H J. J. • r~ r· . c ·i. l.!:H:! r' 1-.

J '1: hi·\ t!IC> c'l pI" o b 1 c-' m and :r hop~~ you c cHI he 1 p rn~~ . T n 1: l·H~ F i'll.1 . r p 1 c'ti'1 I o i·l 1: l:!'! i'Jr 'l a pt·ofe~:~::ional dr·:ivE:!r'~: schooJ :1n Sl-.. John'!; 1-.o 9~)1: l:r·;ri .ni .ng ·i.n l:he ficc1Jds of bus dduing, -truck cl r i. (J ·i. n g , h

f) r't (J y ,,, q 11'i. prn•H1 1: opPrat .ion. II [ l_: i. ~) d int ~~1nes tr->.d k-i.d. 1 am aftf:!Y' I cour·se. c d r· o C:.! r· 1·: h i:l i.: I: h •'\ IJ f:1 b t=! I'! n in E:!VE:11"Y s:incE:1 I !;.Jas a dc~t.t:H'lrl i.nl'!cl l.:o fJ.nd IA.Jor·k hauE:1 cornpleh1d thE:~ 11 But: befor·e I can at.l:l'!tlcl I ne~~cl money, all in all about $3,000 to ·t.al..

I hrld hop1::1d to obtained"' summer job to help offset the cost s omE:11AJha t, bu 1.: wy c he"'! nee:~ s of finding one ar·e pretty slim. 11 My 1nothPr' bc~by -!; ·i l:·.s dbOI.I'l: t:hr•r,1e day~: i.'l WE:1Ed<, and rny fathr->.r :is an lin eH1p l. 0 y t,' d I;.JO OdiAIO r• k E:H' . 11 I y p .i C i·\ l.

I 3697 JunE~ 29, 1988 Vol XI . of the bay. 11 Just last year, he r·~)cr. ~·i.tH:~d only l:en ''lel:d<s ldork, 11 typJcaJ of many men in the Ray d 1 F !) p o :i. r· a r· :~ i·l 11 0 n 1. y <·l !; 1 n a 1. l. j:J f:! r · c t1 n 1: <.·li:J E! o f 1:: h E! g1nacJuates in ruy class I"E:~CEdvc,1cl s 1.1 HI Ill!·:! r· '''or· k . T .-.. w1 no L: sur('! h 01.1.1 many out of the thirty -one gr'ddl.lc"'tl'.r,1!; hc'ttH} obi:r.drH'!d job!; but. I know for sure the figure is pretty s Hkll.l. . 1 ''lr"'~ s one u F t h P unfortunate ones. 11 SO, Mr.

Gilbert, you SE!B, the f u 1: 1.1 r· e r· -i. g h L n Ol;.l l.o o k s p r e 1-: L y bleak for the youth :in Bay cJ ' F ~' p o i. r· a n d I a 1 n r:l s k ·.i n g of y o u d s our MHA to assist me and other unfor·tundtl:! gr·c:·ldua tE!~; of 1988 i.n finding work over the summer. "Graduation is not onl-.,v a time of l.l'.'i:Wing school. bul: aJ.so ~~ U.rne:~ of consider-ing one's life goals . fl wf o r· e ( c "' n d c h 'i. ,,, (J ~.-:' l~. h "' 1: 9 o "' 1 , I ne:~ed somE:' financial assistancE:~. I