Volume XL Friday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansar4J Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 22 22 April 1988

The House met at 10:00 a.m. MR. SPEAKER (McNichoJ.as): Order, please! Statements by Ministers MR. DOYL E:: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the of Transportal:i.on. MR. DOYLE : Mr· . Speaker, I am pleased to announce to the han. House todHy a 1 iS t 0 f 't!AIB n t y- SiX p Y' 0 j e C t S V a J. U E! d ~;~t $14-.JS million l ~ o be publi . cly t E! ,., d E! r e d b y my d E! p a r t rn ~Hl t o v E! r t h E! next few weeks For highway u~grading and paving throughout thE! Ptnovince. Mr.

Speaker, these transportation improvement projects, which will be carried out during the 1988 construction season, IA.ri.1J. be fundE!d entirely by thE! ProvinCE! undE!r rny department 1 s Road and Bridge Rehabilitation Programme and the Improvement and Cons tru cU. on Prog rarnme and is part. of govl':~rnment 1 s ongoing comrni tment to the early tender of capital projects. The projects to be tendered are as follows: l. Resurface th(,~ l.. 6 kilometers of Route 44-0, from lhe end of lhe present resurfacing to Cox 1 s Cove. 2.

Pav~~ a 1. kilomE!L'.E:~r ·sect.:i.on of Route 450 bet1J.1een Frenchrnan 1 s Cove and Lc;u·k Har·bour, ref~H·tned t:o as the Bluff, and the resurfacing of Uttle Por·t Road. 3. The pav:i.ng of 12 l<i.J.omet .ers of Leading Tickles Road. l..ll 06 April 22, 1988 Uol XL 4. Paving 12 kiJ.omet:E!rS of Cottrell 1 s Cove Road. 5. Upgrading a 2 kilomE!'t.E!r SE!CU.on of main road between Roddickton and EngleE!. 6. Construction of a l'lE!W road fr· orn Black Tickle t.o Domino on the Labrador Coast. 7. Paving thE! East AcCE!SS to 11 0 1':1/JO 0 d . 8. Upgr·;,,d'i.ng and pav'i.ng in the Town of Bay BuJ.ls . o ·f r·oad s 9.

Upgrading and paving of r·oc:~ds in the Town of Witless Bay. 10. of Up g r· r:i r:l ~~ 3 . S k i l. o rn<:! t. <o11" Route 362 from Mo se towards Coombs Cove. Sf.>ct.:··.i. on Arnbr·o se 1.1. Con U.nue t:he const:ruct.:ion of t h E! G r a rrd F a 1 l s E a s t E n d A r t e d. ld Road begun back in 1987 . 12. Pav-ing a 5 k:i.lorneter· sE•cl:ion of Harry 1 s Harbour Road. 13. Resurfacing various sections o f r o a d b e t.IA1 e e n I< e 11 t g r· e IJJ s a n d Conception Harbour. 14. Paving 2.5 kilornetE!rS of RoutE! 331 front the end of l : hr:~ presE!nt pavement to the StoneviJ.le Inters<,~cti.on. 15.

Pave Accr:~ss l ... o 3 31. 3.5 kilometers of the Stoneville frorn Route 16. PClVE! Lhe 3.1 of Route 331 inter·s(:~ct-Lon InterSE!Ction. 17. Paving 13.5 Point au Mal Road kilometer

section from Stoneville to Hor'tAIOod kilorrtE! ·I:.E!rS of 18. Complete the resurfacing of No. 22 .. R 1106

Route 4-60 from Kippens to Port. au Port Ei.~S l. 1 9 . Up g r' i:'lf~ e:1 and pave the pre s E! 1·1 i: 3 kilometer gravel SE!Ct.ion of Indian M<,1al Lin<c1 , 20. ComplE!h1 upgrading of roads in t.hE:1 Outer transferred to Council. and paving Cove area 21. Paving of various roads in Torbay and Shoe Cove. MR. DINN : What a member! MR. DOYLE: 22. Upgrading and widening of the Goose CoVE! Road. 23. Complete upgrading of LI1E! road from Eastport to Burnside. 24-. Pav·ing of 1-1- ldlometE!r's of· Ne1.1.1 Harbour Barrens Road. 2~.

Resurfacing of roads through the t:OIAJI1 of Bay dC:1 V<,H'de and through the community of Grates Co lH:1 . 26. Paving of 5 kilometers of Cottlesville Road. MR. DINN: Hear I he:1ar! . ·Where :is that? MR. DOYLE: Mr.----speaker the above named projects represent appr-oximately 3!:> percent of my departmE!nt's provincially funded roads programmE! of the $4-0 million. The projects to be carried 6ut wi t.h the remaining $2!:>. 65 miJlion will be announced in the very near future. The additional projects when announced will also be carried out during the 1988 construction season. 1. 1107 Apr:i.l. 221 1988 Vol XL. Mr.

Speaker, the procE!SS of E!arly tender i ng transportation t.ransportation projects has l.I.JOrkE!d E:1 X LIn(~ rn E! l. y I.~J E! 11. I In e s u 1t:. t n g i n m 0 s t projects bE!ing complE!ted wit:hin the same construct i on season. This procedure permits the industry lC:H~d t.:i.rnE! t:.o 111akc'! pliHlS and to lay groundwork For thE• upcoming construction season. I would like to remind the hon. H o u s e 1:. h a t !Ali. t h o u r r 1 J q <3. e d terrain, it is difficult to add r e s s a 11 of o u r t r a n s p o r tat ·i. on requirements on an immediate basis, but I feel rnuch progress has been made.

Many significant improvements have b1HHl rnade to t.:hE! transportation infrastr-ucture in practically every region of NE!Wfoundland and Labr·ador IAJhic.h IAI i. lJ. b E! n e f j l:. 0 U r' p 1::1 0 p J. ~:! I~.J E! l J. i 1'1 t: 0 the future!. Th-E! $14.3!:> mi11ion in transport~L:i.on improvement projects I have announced today co1nb:im!d IAJ"i.L:h l:.he $:>.r.i.()~) rn·i.J.l.'ion to be announced in the near future r'l n d l.. h (:1 • $ 2 9 . 4- I'll i. 1 l:'i 0 1'1 IAJ CH' t h 0 f projecl:s announCE!d undE!r' LhE! Fod<:'ral/Prov:lnc:i. e~J.

EI~DA AgrE!(~IllE!I'l't: will address several of the problem areas in the Province's transportation network during the 1988 construct.:i.on season. fhE!se construction projects will allow us to continue the steady progress we have made in crE!at.ing a safE•r and more efficient highway transportation system in this Province. SOME HON. MEMBERS: fh~ar, hear! MR. GILBE.R_:I: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: TI-W hon. HIE:Hnber for' BUY'9E!O d'Espoir. No. 22 Bay Rll0'7

MR. GILBERT: Thank you, Mr. Speakc~r . Mr. Speaker, first of all I tAtill. thank the minister for giving me a copy of the statement. It IAJas very kind of him. The only thing about :it, Mr.

Speaker, is it:" members oppositE! had taken thE! advice we have given them over the last threE:1 years and listened to I:. he report. of the auditor-general, IAJe would have bE!E!I1 quitE! happy to be here Ud s mor·n:i.ng to deb a 'i:.C::~ U1C::1 J.is t that IAJas brought in, a priority list which had been established by the civil servants to a 11 o IAJ 1: h E:~ m i n i. s b:1 r d n d h t s colleagues in Cabinet to decide which roads they were going to pave . . ~Hnce we ar·e going to spE!I1d LhE! peoplE! 1 s monE!Y Lo do ·t:his pav.i.ng, why would you not bring in this l ·"i. s t a n d s a y , h E! r' e a r e t h C::1 o n E! s IAI C::~ Hdnk should be paved, and he!rE! is the reason why ·.

As one of my colleagUE!S said whE!rl this list was announced this morning , i t was t h (~ right thing for thE! wrong re!a son. And that is what has happened. In this whole list of tWE!nty-six projects announced, there is the usual tokE!nism thE!re. There werE! three or four Liberal districts put in and - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! Ml~ . GTLBErn: Let the peanut gallery, back row, be quiel for rn:inutes. in a thE! fEH~J M r· . S p e a I< E! r , t h e r E:1 i s t. h e u s u a 1 tokE!n""i.sm.

They thr'OIAJ .i.n a coupl.E:1 of LHH,1ral d:istrict.s to go thr.ough the charade that they are do:ing Lll08 April 22, 1988 Vol XL something. There are L.iberal distr· i.e l:s here, you knotAJ a couple of kilometers here in a L:iberal district but there is nothing like thE! twelve kilornetE!rS that are in Tory districts and stuff like that It is tokenism. Pure toke:1n:i.sm! I not.i.ce herE! thE• 2. S kiloiTIE!tE!rs of RoutE! 331, fr·orn the present pavement to the Stoneville intersection. It is interesting that that happens to bE! whE!rE! thE! LE!Wispor'i:E! dis t1nJ:ct. ends and the Fogo dtstrict begins.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar I MR. GILBERT: NOIAJ' c 1'1 (~ E:11" ! I _ (,~+·. 'L: he ITI('! rnb e r· r~ 0 r Lewisporte (Mr . Russell) chE!E!r and l,~;1t h -L rn la1Jgh, but: l:he chi.ldr·( :, n from Gander Bay who are being hauled ouer thctl: dirt road i n buSE!S i~. o go to school, thE!Y are not laughing, Mr. Speaker . This is the problc'!ITt, and they can see the hypocd.sy in Uds announcement made here th:is mor·ning, this paVE!ment. E!nds at t.hr:• Lewisporte district, so they are going to bE! punishE!d becausE! thE!Y ar·e living in t.11E! Fogo d:i.str-Lct. That is wi1E:1re thE! prob1E!m is, Mt".

Speakl;!r and that. ""i.s IAJhat. "is wrong with this list. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER : Order, plE!ase! MR. GIL BErn: In conclusion, Mr. SpE!aker·, it. is a J. 1. r i. g h t f o r· m C::11n I:HH' s o n t: h e government side. They ar'E! going to usc,~ t:he NE!lAJfoundJ.and p<'!op1H 1 s money to try to buy thEdr votes, b11l:, l.ot fn(~ 1-".E~l.l. you, Mr·. Spc,1akc;!r', it is not going to work. Let thorn c a 11 a n e 1 (;! c t "i. o n a n d 1.: h C'! y IAri ] l No. 22 R 11.08

find out where they are going. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hc,~ar! MR. F FNWTCI< : Mr. Sp<,1akE!r. MR. SPEAKER: The han. the member for Menihek . MR . FENWT.CK: Thank you, very much, Mr. Speaker . As l::he minister indicatE!S, IJ.H:~ are only talking about 3~ per· cent of it here a·nd, I think, i.t is appropriate that we have the other 65 per cent before making the kind of judgem~nt the han. member is making. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE!ar, hE!ar! MR. FENWICK: Having sa~d that:., Mr. SpE:~akE!r, I have a feeling that once we see 100 per cent of it the member will be ent ·L rely right in his accuscltions. AN HON.

MFMBER: (Ina1~dible:~) Port.: RU Por! :. MR. FENWT.CK: Mr·. Speaker, I 1.1.1ant to talk about Port au Port because I think it ts important; it is a classic example of the:1 !;Jay LhE! gover·nmE!n t uses road spe:n1ding in order to manipulate proCE!SS and to tr·y and influencE:1 mE!rnbE!Y'S to cross thE! floor of the House, and so on. Port au Port is an interesting distr·ict because;! "it lAlas i3. PC district from 1971-72 up until 19'7~. At that t.ime, th~?. PC ml":wJber left. There was a lot of road IAlOrk done,~ in Port au Port in l:.hat time period.

From 197~ up untiJ. 1 9 8 ~ , IJJ h e n t h e c u r r <-i! n t m I":Hn b e r f o r· Port au Port 1.1.1as a U.bE!ral, the!rE! L :1.109 Apr·iJ. 22, 1983 Vol XL tAlas virtually nothing lAlhatsoever done in the district - well, not r.lbS(llLI L<,~l.y noUl"i.ng, but VE!ry, V"!Y'Y loitt.lE!. I think if you look at t h 0. F i g u r ~~ s y o u 'Ad ll f -L n d i t i s a minimal amount. SoinCE! thE! TriE!rnbE!r crossE:'d tl1c,1 floor· i'\nd bc,1 camt;1 a PC, therE! has bE!E!n a consider·ablE! amount rnore tAlork being done there. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hoar·, hi":Hir! MR. FENWICK: But, Mr. SpeakE!r, since->.

I announced in January that I was go i n g to r u n i n Po r 1:. au Po r t , IAi e now SE!E! rnore paving wo1nk for Port au Port than in its entire history. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR . SPEAKER : Ordc;!r, please! Ordc-i!r', pJ.ec:~se! MR. FENWICK: Mr . Speai<E:1r·, this ts an ~~xamplE! of the kind of Ud.ng that was donE! in C r· c'\ n d F al l s . 11\1 h c;! n 1.: h 0.1 1 n ern b ~~ r f o r Grand Falls (Mr. Sirnms) was s<->.rj_oLisly in d<:Hlgt;H' of losing his seat, all of a suddE!n $1.6 rn:.l.lJ.ion tAlas found l:o r(:'bi!""U d UlE! Gr;:~nd Falls hospital. It is LhE! same kind of thing being done there.

It is the way . in which tl'lE!Y USE! the pr.lVi.ng mon<:!Y as a political too 1, a n d hope f u 11 y i t 1.1.li 11 s top qu""Lt:e soon. MR. LONG: Thanks to the NDP . MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.ease! Before calling for Or·al Qu~~stions, I would like to welcome to the gallc->.ry sevc,1nty--f :i.ve:1 stud~Hlt.s from Mount Pearl Senior High School accorriJ:.>i!lni.c,H:l by l::hr::!j.r· t.('!ach~:!rs, Mr. Norm Hiscock and Mr. CJ.aude Bishop. No . ?.2 I~ 1109

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hc,H.:lr, hE!ar! Oral Questions MR. SIMMONS: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The han. the mE!mbE!r for Fortune - He:1rrni tage. MR. STMMONS: Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of the Environment (Mr. Russell). He would be Farni.J."i.ar' tAdl:h the g.:1s l.l':~ak i".hr:\1: OCCUI~r·ed on March 25 at a SE!rViCE! st:at "i.on on Kr,~nlnount Ro8d. Thf~ I"E!pOinted loss at. thE:~ timE:~ !Alas of the order of 6,000 gallons of fuE~l, IAJhich, oF coursE!, raiSE!S S 0 InC:' V E! Y' y S e Y' i. 0 I j S (;! n V i. Y' 0 I'HTH:! n t: r'l l. and safE!ty concerns.

The minister, in the Estimates Cornmitt.eC:~ on Tuc->.sday n i.ght, indica ted t.ha t it was his be,J.iE!f that the loss I am quoting him here - 11 WB bE!lieVE! it is more Of a paper loss than an actual spill. 11 I put it to the minister that his understanding of the situation, in stat] ng it was a paper loss, is q1Jite contrary to the findings of the investigation and does not square with the investigation. I put it to him that the investigation found that at 1C:1ast 2,000 gallons of fuel are still unaccounted for·?

J aS k h ·i. m , IAIO ul. cJ hI':' 1.1 n d (~ T' t d k C,1 t: 0 VE!dfy this matter as t.:o what. i.s thH LT,'IJt.h, IAJhel·:hc'!r L+:. :i.G a papc,1r loss or whether, indeed, as the ·i. n v ~~ s 1·: ·i g A t i. u n f o 1 J n d o u ~: , +:. h e r' o ;:.~ r e st.:ilJ over 2,000 gallons of fuel unaccoun ·l·.cc!d fot". Would he'! und~~r·tal<e to VE!r'ify r.Hld gE!t back 'l:o us i.n L:hc,1 Hous~~? LlllO Apr,il 22, 1988 VoJ. XL MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thE:1 M.in:i.st.:c;!r' of Environment and Lands. MR. RUSSELL: Mr. SpeakE!r, I do not knolAJ whr:!rE! the hon. rnember' :is gett:i . ng his statistics.

Indeed there are about 5,000 gaJ.lons st.:i .:ll not accountE!d for, not: 2,000 gal1ons. So I do not know where he is gc:!tting his figures. The orig:i naJ. estimate was approximately 6,600 g a 11 on s . It was subs E! quE! n 1·.:. l y l.ear'nE!d that L•Jhen thE! tanks IAIE!rL~ pumped out there were 1,000 gal.J.o1is IAH:!nt. bdck i·.o Holyrood in t h e t a n k E! r t r u c k , lAI h :i. c h r E! d u c E! d i. t to 5,000 gallons.

We have only been · able to recover approximately For· 1: y o ~~ f i. f t y g a l.l. on l' . ·r he UJ.I:rarnar· peoplE:! haVE! hit"E!d an "i. n d o p E! n d C:! n t a u d :i. 1:: o I" t o l. o o k a t: l: h e books, thE! . r'E!Concili.ations and so on l:o i:J"Y i'll1d dC'!i'.er·rn :'i. n~~ ·if, indeE!d, it. tAJas a papE!r' loss. 1 arn SIH'O I~IE:~ i:<\1.1. hopE! that: i. t.: IAk\S d paper loss as opposed to a real loss . T havc::1 not yE!I: r!?.ceivE~cl a report from Ultrarnar as of this morning confirming or otherwise, from the independent audit, what thc,1 rC:~sul t of that t~ud.-i. t tAJas.

As soon as I gE!t that, I shall be pleased to pass on whatever information I have to the hon. House. MR. SIMMONS : A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A suppl .omentar·y, th(,~ hon. t:l'w member for Fortune - Hermitage . MR. SIMMONS: Mr:-:--s p (:~ "i:ll< r,~ r' ' a~; L h (,~ ITt i 11 ·i. '-' L c;! r' IAI:i 1.1 knotAI, thE:1 ser·vi.ce station opE,rator F c'l J J. (,1 d 1·:. () r (,~ p 0 r' r. t h i. s l. 0 d k a f 1.: E~ r being unable for Four days Lo Y' ~'! C 011 C -:i.l. ~ :! h ·j S f 1.1 (,~ J. I" E! p 0 r' 1:: .

IndE!ed, hE! d'.id ned. r'E!port: it. , I b o l J ~1 v (,1 , u n t ·i. 1 1·: h f! 11 i. n t h d a y . H a s No. 22 RlllO

the minister determined that the fa i 1 u re to report was de 1 i berate? And if so, what action will he, the minister, take to ensure COIIIpl. . ianc(-:~ IAJi.l-:h t.he lnequir'E!IIIC:Hll:.s of the act? And also did not Ul.l:rarnar .itsc-o!l.f, t·hc;! Sllppl.y"i.nr:J company here as opposed to the s e r v i. c (:~ s h:~ 1.: i. o n t t s e l. f , h i'lll e'! a n~f.ponsibil.i.ty to ensure that the OfH:~r<:tl:or 1.\Jas F1Jl.ly apprJsod of hJs duties, incJ.ud:i.ng his duty to r·epor·L \::hE! l.dck of r~~conr:il."i.i'\1-:Lon of his reports from day to day? MR. RUSSELl..: Mr·. Speaker. MR.

SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environ~ent and Lands. MR. RUSSELL : r·1r. Speaker·, th<;!r'c,~ :is a regula Lion in place pE!rtaining to servicE! st.at·ions that when th.:~y do HH'!·.ir· dipping, af-t.er four consecutive dips there is a significant discrepancy, then they are requir't::'d after thr::tt: to report :i. t. immediately.

It is my ~~ n d t~ r s t H n d i. n g t: h a 1: L hi. s IAJi:t s no t don.:~, t.hat a considE!rable time did e l. a p s c,1 , I Hd n k c,1 i. g h t. o r n J n e,, d i'\ y s approximately, before it was r'E!por•h::1d. (Jl t:n~lrlar I c;\S I understand it, really owned the p i. p e l. -L m~ , IAJiri. c h i. s ~H:! i n g rna n a g e:~ d by somebody eJ.se.

UJ.tramar, I IAJould th"i.nk, h<:1S a rE!Spons ·i.bi.l.il'.y to ensure that whoever is o p o r· a t: .i. n g l: h e-:> i. r· s (:~ r· v i c C::~ s h:l t: i o n s is atJ.Jare of thr.:~ re!gulat.ions, just: as every other oil company and service station operator in the Province has. Ignorance of the latJ.J, so to speak, is no excuse. Everybody should be aiJ.Jare of what·. the regulations arE! and everybody should adhere Lo them.

In this prepare!d Lll.ll . particular case, to say it Apr•i.l 22, l9BB I arn not was a Vol XL. d<-?.liberate attempt on UH:! par·t of Ultramar or the service station opc,~lnc:'lt:.or·s 1:-.o cover up anything. I arn ·hoping that: there will be a report. on my de,~sk ITiayi:.H~ lc:~.ter ·today or Tuesday, not: nE•CE!SSartly a finctl reporl": becRuse we are stilJ. doing somE! monitoring on Jt dnd IMi.lJ. conU .rn:1e i:o rnon.i.t:o r· the situation as long as is nE!CE!Ssar·y r(,~ctl.l.y l:o do that. In the'! r·~:!por·t there may or may not be a l"<:~cornrneHld~t'i.on t:o l.r:1y cl·,,::~r·q~:!S ...

I 11Ji11 updatE! thE:~ LE:~gisaturE! . as soon as 1 can on that. MR. SIMMONS: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: A fJnal supplementar~ . MR. SIMMONS: Mr.St:>r.:~dke;!r, t•Jou1d the;! 111-.i.nist.er·· confirm that the contractor who :i.nstal.led t:he fuel tanks at Kenmount Road was the sc:'u· n~:! cont.r·actor· IAiho 11..Jas calJ.ed .in l:.o :inVE!StigatE! tlw loss, and thc;tt. hE• IAias cdllf~ d i.n bE!fore Env'ir·onlflfHlt was a 1 e r ted , wi l h thE! cons E! que n c e thi'tl-. any chance'! of d'i.scoVE!Y':i.ng thr:o real cause of the leak !Alas probi'lbl.y 1rdnim:i.zr,~d?

And IAJould he also confirm that it !Alas that same cont:.ractor L•Jho 1~1as l:hu "i. nst:a1l(~r of the tanks at Elizabeth East lJ l. 1-.: r i'll n <:1 r· ~~J h ·i c: h :i. s n o ~~J t h <'! s u b j '~ c t: of a separate investigation? MR. SPEAKER : The hon . Lhe Minister of Environment and Lands. MR. RUSSELL: The same contractor· who orig'.ina11y instalJ.ed thE! tanks, was cal1E!d :i.n to look at it. I understand, though, that aftE!r a VE!ry shor't period of t-.irne, a rnat.t.t'!r of a h':!w hours after he was carted in thE! matter was repor·t.ed. T am tJ.Jaiting to get the report IAiith all the No. 2? 1n 1.11

detail!; in it, so subjE:~ct to any change 'i.n l:hr.tl:, 1 tmder·sLand r·ir~ht now just a fE!W hours afte!r hE! LIJas call~:!d i.n l:h~~ rnat.l:er· IAJas repor·t:Hd. If the hon . member is alleging that the contractor or Ultramar or the sE:~ruice station operator haUE! done anything that is not quite proper, then hE! should carnE! out and say it. I haue no euidence at this time to indicate that. MR. LUSH: Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE:~ hon. the member· for Bonauista Nor·th . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hectln, hE!ar! MR. LUSH : l h<~nk yotl, Mr·. Sj:H~c:~l<c,~r . Mr .

Spc~al«,~r, my qt.les 1-: -i.on t.•Jd~; intended fo1" thE! Mj nister· of M u n i c i. p r:\-l A f f f.d r· s , b u 1·: , .i. n lri. s absenCE!, I w:i.11 djrE:~ct t:he qu~~st.ion 1--.o the f)(:!pl.lty Prc:Hrd.c;!r, the Minister of Health (Dr. Col.J.ins). Mr. Sp~~akc.;!r, 1ny question is in relation to the great dissat.isfact.Jon, discontent, and the great public outcry that we haue heard recently being expressed in the town of Conception Bay South. My reason for asking the! que!stion is to try and preuent this situat:i.on from develo .ping in othE!r parts of the Proutnce.

As the rnini.ster· -i.s probably awarE!, it is related to the assessment process. I am wondering cctn the mi.n1ster identify thE:~ netture and the cause of the problem r.tboul: whi.ch the citizens of Conception Bay South a r· E! s o v o c 'i. f (;! r· o u s l y c,~ x p r c,~ s ~; :i. n g themselves at this particular time? MR. SPEAKER: Lll12 Apr·il 22, 1988 Vol XL The hon . the Minister of Health . DR. COLLINS: Mr. Sp~~r.ll<c"!r, l:: hE! question, as the hon. member said, is probably more appropriate to the Mtnister of Municipal Affairs.

However, I happen to own a blt of property in Conce!ption Bay South wtd.ch :i.s reported in my Conflict of Interest statement. SOME HON. MEMBERS: .He a r~--h E! a r ! ----- DR. COLLINS : I, thereforE!, have a pE!r·sonal, if not ~ll that unduly lively interest in the matter. My u n d E! r s t a n d i n g of t. he m a U. E• r ·.i s l::hal: t·.hc.:! rnt.lnicj pctl i.l:y IAJa s press inq thE! Dc;!partment . oF Mun].c:i.pal AffA--irs foi" ;_., nt.IJnbto!r' of yE:!c\t'S t.o carry out the assessmenl: of propc,,rt ·_ j t:!S -; n l ~ he corn1nun i 1-.y.

Tht'~Y were wanting to structure their In ('! v c->. n 1.1 t:! s o n 1:·. h e b d s i s o ·f p r· o p t':! r· t y tax , t h e y d i d not. h a v E• prop E! r t :i. e s Jn l:h~~ cormnun i t:y i.HSC:'SSE!d in any professional way, and !:hey were press 1 ng hard for the Municipa1 Affairs DepartrnE!nt to gE•t on w:i.th th.is. NotAl, Municipal Affairs, of course, had many spE!Cia1 r'E!qUE!Sts on th~dr· plate and l: hc;!r'e IAJas a l:d.t of delay therE:', and I guE•ss thrit i s lA'! h y 1: h e C o n c e p t i o n 8 a y So u t. h au ·thori ties werE! a bi.t anxious c..Uld pressing har·d.

AnyiAJay, l::l·w assessrn('!nts IAIE!rt::~ finally carried out and that Lnfor·rnai :'i.on lkidS pas~;E; ;d to l::he authorities :in Conception Bay So u t h . r h E:1 o r· d EH' o r· e v ('!i'l t: s t h c;! n would be for thE! rnunici .pali t.y tht:'r'(,~ l:o dc,~c :i d(:' ho1~1 much. r·eufHlue it required to discharge its dttl ·. "i.r,~s r:~nd l:h('!l'l i-.o fi.x a rai".(;!, tetkjng inl~o cons:idE!rcd:ion ass~'!SSE:!d ualues of properties . No. 22 rn 1.12

Now, I understand that the municipality has not adjusted its rate as some residents in the area feE!l they shouJ.cl have. In other words, the assessments went up, which was fair enough, that. is a sort. of profc-:lss·i.onal thing, sor·t of ~n objective thing, how much s OlliE!"!: h J ng cos r-. s, and prop(:! r·ty vallH:1S increasc-:l.

But then to determine the revenues ~he commurd ty nE!E!dS, you haVE:1 to bring ·j__ n 1.: h ~1 HI j_ J. r'C:·\l·. e , d 11 d S 0 Ill E:1 j:H1 0 p l E! in that area felt that the Hll.ln:i.ci.pal"i.l·.y di.d not. c:-u:ljust ti·H,1 rn i 1 r a h1 p r· o p t-:l r J. y , i n v ·.i E~ l.V of 1: he l'lE!tJ.I assessc,ld Vi~ltH1S, t:.o det.ermJrH~ the-?. amount of re:'venues that were required, and that the rnunicipaJ.ity now is r·eally getting mor'C-'! r·evc,1nUE!S than i l:: r·equirc;!s for· its pur~oses because values have gone;! up and t.he tnil rate'! has not gone down.

Now, in my unde!rstanding that is where the controversy is, and I can fully understand it. I might say I am going to put th:i.s in here that CBS is not the onJ.y one involved ln that. The cil::y of St. John 1 s had assessments done a lJttle tJ.Jh:i.J.e ago, and thc,1 rn ·Ll r·ar-.e tJ.Jas not. changed, in many peopJ.e 1 s v ·i. e IAJ s • t. o 1: h c,1 d e g r· E! 1'::1 :i 1: s h o 11l d . And some people were left with hugE:1 incrc,1asc,1S .. i,n J·.hei.r· propE!r'l:y assessmE!nts. MR. STMMS: You own pr'opHrty "i.n ~:it. John 1 s, do you not? DR. COLLINS : I happc-?.n to OIAJI'l

c) b'i.t: of pr'Oj:HH ' i::y in St. John 1 s too. MR. SIMMS: Did you declare it? DR . COLI INS: I declarE!d it for YE!ar aftE!r year after yer~r. since 1979, on my Lll13 Apri1 22, 1988 Vol XL. Co n f 1 .i. c t o f I n t e r· c,~ s t. s t. a t c-?. rn c:~ n t . I am very diligent about that. I am not cr·i.t ·i.c:i.zing CBS, but I i~ln ju~;l:. pointing out that this is cl problem t .. h<~1t rnun"i.cJpal. aut.hor·JtiE!~~ arE! faced with. When pr'opet~ · t·.: y c'1SS(~SSm(:!nl ::; changE!, LhC:1Y hdVC'! to be alert to change the mil rate also.

ThC:1 FH:wple ·Ln CBS ·f('!el t.:hat the mun:icipali ty out UlE!rE! has not been alert enough i.n thctt rHgard. MR. I.USH : A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: (l Sl . ipplernc,~nt.r:~r·y, !·.he hon. thE! member for Bonavista North. MR. LUSH : Thank you, Mr·. Spc~akc;!r . Mr. Spl':!akE!r', th(:! rn:i.nJ.s Lor· r~: !fl:!r·r·ecl to the prE!ssurE! that:. is bEdng pu l.. upon governrnc~nt, placod ijpon government to get these assc-'!SSinc,Hlts done,~. NOIAJ, I c:~m wondering, Mr.

SpE!aker·, jf th"is if:; not the r·oot-: cc~usc,~ of l..he pr·obJ.~:.rn, that in an attempt to rn ee t the p r ,,~ s s 1 j r (~ 1: h C:1 g o v E~ r n 111 e n L i s p u t t ·i n g unreasonable demands on its assessors to get: thls job done, thus abandoning the normal c au+:. :ion , the no r'rrtd 1. car· E! t: hat would be given to the as~;E!SSmc;!nt. procoss. f1(;1C:i:·1LJS(;! l:hc,~r('! must be,, something unusual in l .. lris s:J.l-.uati .on tAJhl'!l'l !~JP h,'·1lJC:' ovPr' a thousand appt::'als. Ther'E! llll.ls'l:: be soutet:lri .ng trr·e<_:p1l r.1r, unj us 1:. , unreasonable in the assessrnent:s.

So, is this the reason for 1t, t. h a t t. o c o p E! t.v i t 1·1 - tl'lE! p r' E' s s u r E' tl·w d(~part.ttltc!n t·: ·i.s pttt: l:. "i. nq unr·easonablt:' demands on the assessors to get t:.hC:1 job donH? MR. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. ti:;·E! Minsit:.E!r of HE!a1th . DR. COLLINS : Mr. Sp<~akc;!r. I t.hLnk I ht'-lve No. 22 R 1113

ansWE:H'od UJRI:: cpwsi:i.on. Tht,~ Oepartruent of Murl'id.prAJ Affairs W<:H'e rEH.lLIC:~s l:c;!d to do sornc;! l·:h i.ny, tllhtch they 'dtd. TherE! lllas no root causE~ of any d L f f i. c td t: y IJHH' c,~ . T f thE:~ depar·trnE!nt had dE!Clined to do L:he rlSS<.;!Ssment.s, yes, thE:H'E~ IAJoul.d have been a problem there, but they did not. · Thoy supplled tnforrnation. That is IAJhat thE! Department of Municipal did. Essentially, they supplied pr•ofc:~ssional .information t:o thE:' municipality.

Now, I do not know if t:he hon. rnernber .is suggest.ing that they d:id not supply it quick 1 y · enough , you co u 1 d rna k c,~ an ar·gume nt that way, but we have in actual fact increased the number of pr6perty assessors in recent t. J. me t.o kc;!E!p up IAJ i.l.:h de111ands put: on the,~ departmE!I'lt by the vat"ious m u n i. c :.i. p clJ. -L 1·. ·i. o s c.~ r· o u n d 1·.: h (,~ Pt"OV-.iltCE!.

We;! have t.rir:~d to respond t-.o t.hr:·1l··. i.n the bE!S 1·. t•.Ji.·1Y lAIC:~ Ci:Hl, but thbl ·t is not t.oJhere t.hE! pr•obl.c:~trl 'i.s. fi'H~ probl.Oirl :J.~: l:hd ·l: FJ<:HlplE~ find thc;dt" assc,~ssed values go u p ;:;~ n d L: h f'! r· c,~ -L s no l~ r:1 s u l 1:. r:~ b l. r~ c-..tdjustrnEHlt i.n the ruil r·ate. The rr11 HI i c i. p r.tl. H 1.1 1:: h o r· i tiE:~ s h c1tJ e l. h r,~ flexibility to lower the mil rate. The department does not Fi.x the mil rate, U1at J.s something +:he tnun'i.c:Lp<.·1l.ity i.l:SE!l.f cdn do, and if that is not done a particular householder can feel. himself aggrieved.

His property has gone up, the 1rri.l rate -i.s not adjusted down, and he has to pay a large amount over and above what he normally paid. NoiAt, therE! is :in pl. ace , as the h on . rnE:Hnb c;! r suggE!StE!d, a mPchanism to give some relief to the householder, and that is an appeal system.

Many people -Ln CBS have taken advantage of that appeal system, which i.s quite proper. l·he numbers who have taken advantage of thAI: app~~dl syst.c,~lll I do not Ud. n I< arc,~ ex c E! s s tv E:~ : I t. h :i. n k in l::hc,~ ci.l.y of St . .John 1 ~;. ,:·1nd T dlll 1...1114- Vol XL fi'liTI:i. l.-i.dY' w-J.I:h i:hai: rnorr:' lhdn most: municipaliti.E!S, I guess, t.hE!re t.o~JclS a l, ~H' g l;~ 11 I Jrlli:H'! r 0 f p (:~ 0 p l. ~:! IAJ h 0 appealed their assessments as a Y'OSitl.l~ of 1-:he rE!C(;!I'lL pr·opE!r · ty vaJ.ue chanCE!& . ThesE! appE!als ar'E! a corrnnon l:lri .ng. T.

Ur'i.nk i +· ".i.s a good th:ing, but I still say that the lltunJc:i.paLi .ty has \:.he flexibility to change , its mil rate. MR. LUSH : A supplc,~rnentfjry, Mr. SpE!al<er . MR. SPEAKER: A Final supplementary, the hon . t. h e 1111':~ rn b (~ r f o r B o n a v i s l:. a N o r t: h . MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, is thE! rn:lni.stE!r atAJcH'E• th<.-li·. t-.h(:~ cost of f:.h(!SE! appc,,aJ.s :i.s bE! y o n d t hE! a b :i1 i t y of c o u n c:i 1 s l·. o pdy for· in v .i.f:!IAJ of LhE'! Ft nanc .. ial restraints that councils are now go 'i. ng i':hJ"ough?

My qut;~s! ... -Lon l.o i ·. ·. ht~ minister is this: What: stE!pS i:H' (! l:: he govc,>r·nrnt:111i: go :i. ng t·.o f ".i'li<E~ t·o heJ.p alleviate this part:icular s "i. t: 1 J a i . i o n 'i. n c o n c P p t ··j o n B d y ::; o u L. h of 1000 appeaJ.s, Mr· . SpE!akN·? l'h("!Y'(,~ .:1r•e !)VE!r ·1000, becdUSF! T a111 told there are several hundreds of p 0. o p l r,~ 1:: h c,~ r· ('! n o t F i:·1 rn "i. ·1. i a r· tAli l:. h t. h E! process of appeal.

What steps are the governrne:'nf: . go"i.ng to l:.dkf'! t.o he!lp alleviatE! this pi"obJ.ern, t.he pr·obl.Hm r·e1al :: EHJ l: o asse s srnc,~nl· :in the town of ConCE!pt:i.on Bay Sou t:h, t;Jh:i.ch appear·s to have~ bE!fHl don~• in a sJ.ipshod ITianner and to prE!VE•nt i. t f r· o rn c,~ s c a 1 a t t n g t h r o u g h o u t t lri. s Province? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. l:he M.i.n"i.stc.;!r of Hedll::h . DR. COLLINS: Mr·.

SpeakE!r, if therE! i.s a probl.r:!rn, r::~nd r can r'Hcogn ·ize that many pE!ople IAJould FeE!l that tl'lfH'e 1. ~ ; i:l p r· o b l. ~~ rn , i l: -i. ~; n o 1-: c d u s r:! d b y government, by the Department of Mun··i c:"i.pi:11 (lff;:~tr·~;. T'hf~ dc;!pdr'i::tn<'!l'lt: No . 2 2 Rlll/1. .~ :_; __ ..... _-

merely carried out a job of IAlork for the municipalities. It was requested to do i. t. If the municipality feels that as a resuJ.t. of hau"i.ng that job of wor·k carried out it has got itself into a bit of a bind financ"i.al.--IAJ i. sr:~, I g u e s s :it is up to . the rnu n i c i p a 1 it y lo find -U:s !AJay out of t:ha~. B1Jt J IAJould suggest that the appeal s y s t c;! 111 i. s n o ·1··. a c: o s t: l. y a p p r, : H::~l. system.

What usually happens is t.:l·l~:!t"0.1 i.s a Cotnrni.ss.-.i.onl:!r obl-:. dtnl~!d by the municipality and the Cornuri.s sJonc;!r hol.cl!> hear· "i. ngs. lhF.!Y CJ.rr:~ not J engthJ y hc->.ari ngs . I know that thts happened down at City HaJJ her·E:~ . You can run through a l.;:u·ge nurnbc,~r of appe ;:~l.s t n a rr1or·n:i ng, s o it. is not a very c: o s 1·: 1 y "i. t c,Hn . B u t: , e v e n a t t h ct t. , the municipality has the fl<c'X "i. bil.i.l:y to gE!I .. suffi. c :i. ~:!ni: revenues through its ordinary mechanisms to cover the cost of the Cormn:i.ssionE!r.

This is a mechanism that is available in all. 'communities. It is not something neiAJ. The hon. member may be suggesting that CBS is faced with some unique sit.uat.'i.on. That. 'i. s not: the casE:~. The appeals system is Provi.nce-l.~.r.'i.de ci\nd T. do ned.: t.h i.nk thi'lt the m(:~mber is bringing up an issue of any great importance. MR. LONG : Mr·. Speaker· , MF~ . SPEAKFR : ·r he h o n . the rn ern be r for.. S t . J o ~, n 1 s MR. LONG : M r . S f:H:1 a !<C;! r· , my q u (:~ s t. :ion i. s to 1.: h E:1 Min:Jster R!::1Spons:lblE:~ for the Newfoundland and Labrador Hous i ng Corporation (Mr.

Peach) and cornE!S jusi :. after I asb~d i:l quest:i .on to tht~ Min:ist:E!r of Justice (Ms UE!rgE!) concer·ning the i::lbUit.y of the L1115 April 22 I 1988 UoJ XL . Newfoundland Light i:ind Poto~ter to cut off electricity to cJ.tE!nts durJng the W"i.nt.er· months.

I IAtould ltkE! to put a similar qUE!Stion to the MinLster Responsible for the Housing Corporation, and ask whether there i s a s et. of guidelines within NLHC that preVC'!nts offi C't;:1l.s of l he Hous i ng Corporai:ion from taking act:ion to H v i. c t c 1 i. <;! n t s o f 1:: h c;! c o r p o r· a t: i. o n , occupants of NLHC apartments, d u r· .J.n g l ... h ~~ Wt n l·. c;! r· 1110 n l: h s? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Min:ishH' of Housing . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Her.lr I ~war·! MR. PEACH: I am surE! the hon.

TTIE!rnb<;!r dOE!S not: IAJi:·1 n t·. l:. o con ·f u s e t: h <'! i. s s u e o f Nmufound1and U ght and PoiAH!!r IALi. L.h regar·d to IAJhal:: thE~Y clo r't'<:JBI"cli.ng non-payment of bills IAlith what lhe Newfoundland and Labrador Housing does IAlith rental arrears. I am not SIH'<-'! if t:hr:~ mernb<cH' i s cl C:'cl.r' on that . The NeiAlfoundland and Labrador Hous i.ng Corporation, Mr.

Speaker, as it relates to heating s u b s ·i. d ·i. <->. 5 ' IAJ (c~ hr.\ u e j u s l:: c 0 Ill p l 0 t f:! d Phase III of a threE!- .. yE!ar· progr~mme totall i ng s ome $4.3 million to accommodate l:.hE! peop1E! 1~1ho di"Cc' i.n 1\IE!Wfoundl. a nd and Labrador· Housing units in our P r o tJ i. n c: f:1 . SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. LONG: Asul:> p 1. c,~m<,~ n·l·: ;:·1 r' y , Mr . s p ~~ d I<<-:~ r , MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary I thE! hon . th E! member for St . John's East . MR. LONG : No. 22 Rlll5

M r· . S p c~ a k e r , I 1w:~ s i'l t. t: c,11r1 p i··.'i. rl(!J 1: o be very clear in my question but I r:tln noi: SIH'C:1 l:hc,1 m"i.ni.s l:er u I' I d e::1 r s too d IAJ hat. I w a s add I" E:1 s s i n g . T h E:1 -i. s s 1.1 e i. s T h E! I_ i:l n d l. o r· d r (;! n i:\ n 1:. s Act of this Province has a special exc-:!mpt ·i. on For l:.hc,1 NoiAJfot.indl.and dnd l. abrr..tdor Hous:lng Corporation, and, as ct r·osul.l:, dur· i. ng W"i.nt.:(~r monl.:hs the Housing Corporation can give one month 1 s not i.ce and put pHopl.e out on the streets. Mr.

Spei:\ker·, I had a come to mE:' in the February I~Jho was about out on the street. cons U . tuent month of to be put MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR . LONG: My question to the minister is: W i 11. l: ~H.;! m :i n i. s t·. (~ r c o n F i. r· rn t: h a t.: Nt:11o\Jfoundland and Labrador Housing Cor·porc:~l-. ion has 'i.nf·. l:!r'nc.~l. guideljnes which will prevent off i clal.s From tHk·lng acl:lon to evict occupants of dwellings dur·oi.ng , l::hE:1 W'i.ni·.E:1Y' 111011ihs? MR . SPEAK[R : The:1 hon. the M:i nister of Housing . Ml~ . P[ACII: Mr .

Sp(:1i:lkc,1r, T. drTI surc,1 t:h(~ hon. fn(,Hnber mus ·t be:1 aware of the fact i::hRt N(>.l!.lfoundland and J..abr·ador· Housing is very concerned IJJith any case:1s of arroar·s and ev·i.ct lons. We:1 give notices, Mr'. Speaker, for various reasons dur t ng, I guess all tirnE!S of thE! year', but aliAJays considerat ·Lon has been g{ven. And as well, Mr. Speaker, I want to point out that proper notice is given, usually a three month not -i.ce, under The Landlor·d 1;emu1ts Act.

So t can 6\SSUI"E! t: 1·1 (:~ hon rnernbE!I" that no unduE! hardship has E!VE!r bf:! ~~ n CC\1.1 !i (~!d to p(-?.ople IAJhO r:~ Y'O 1..1116 Aprj J 22, lQ88 Vol XL. J. i 'J i. n g "i. n o Ill" u n J. l: s , n o t: o n 1. y i. n St.. John 1 s but. anyiJJherc;! ·:i.n t.h:is Pr'OIJi . nc:r,1, bec:dusc,1 pi"OpC:!Y' not. "i. cc,~ -i.s g:iven according to thE! guid(ai nos l.:ha 1-. ar•r,1 s r,1t. do,,m. MR. L.O~_G: A final sup~lernentary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : A f i nal supplementary. MR.

LONG: Mr. ·Speak(H', contr·ar·y l::o IAJh;:;, 1·: Lhe ministE!Y' says I can confirm th a t NLHC Ur'i.s past W:int.E!Y' ha s :i.n f ac t been given only thirty days MR. SPEAKER : Order, pJ.ec\SE!! MR. LONG: - eviction notice. MR. SIMMS: A s-:~--y o 1.1 r-:-q 1.1 E! S t i. 0 n . MR.

LONG: M-y---~r:fna 1 s u ppl E!ITIE' nt.a r· y to 1:: he rn -L n"i s · l·. ~)r ., s: G:i.IJC'!I'l t.hc'! exen1p+·. ion s of Nc,~IAJfoundJ and ancl L. i:lbl"ador liou~; : iny Cor·por'i'.'ll ·i on 1 . 1nd~: !r' Thr,, Landlord Tenants Act, IAr.iJl ·thE• IWinisl.:Or' mr'lkO d c:ornrnt+:rn(,~l11:: IJJ :introduce legislation that will b r -j n g 1:. h E!

H o 1.1 s ·-j n g C o I" p o r' a t. -.i. o n under thE! full regulations of nw l.andlord Tenants Act wh ·ich will prevent the Corporation frorn 1:. a k ·i n g a c t: -i. o n t o ('! u -i. c t. p E! o p 1. e during Winter months w:i.thout. a f ul.l 'L h r· C:1 e::1 rno nth not. "i. c c,1? MR. PEACH : Mr. SpE!aker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon . the Mini.ster of Housing . MR. PEACH: Mr' SFH~a kEn', T. diTI s 1.1 r' C~! l::ha 1:: I:. hE! rE!gulations that arE! :i.n p1aCE! a·t l-. h (,1 prl'! ~; l'!rl t-. t·.: .i rn c,1 HI'~(~ v C'!I"Y No. 22 Rll.l6

suJ.tabJ.e. We have v~H·y, VE!Y'Y f~~w legitimate complaints from re~ddent:s and l:.enant.s anyi.~.Jherc-?. J.n this Province. Our regulations arE! ver·y compatible to l:he peopJ.c-7! who ltve in our units. Mr. SpE!aker, t:hat the J.i::\St -thing that one wants to do is to E!Vict somebody from a u n ··i. 1- a n y t. J rn e of 1:. h e y c,~ a r , a n d we are always very conscious of famil·Les, single parents, people with large families, and 1.1.W car·ry out. our· c,~ v j , c I~ i. on s , Mr· . S p <-?. H k <'! r· , under the guidelinE!S that arE! SE!t doi.•Jn, tJ.Jhi.ch ar·c-?.

VE!r·y fl~~x.ible <'lnd v~H'Y IJ.JE11 J acCE!pted by the tenants that IMe hcwe. Mf~. 1(. AYI.WAIW: Mr•. ~;pE:lCik<·H'. MR. SPF.AI<fR: ThE• hon. l:hP rn~'!lllbor· Fol" StHphE!I'IViJ.J e. · MR. I(. AYLWARD: Mr. Spc-:1akc-?.r, thank you. I IJ.JOilld J.:i. I<E:~ l~.o ask a quc,lsl':"i.on of thco! MirdstE!r of DevelopmE!nt and Tour·isrn (Mr. Barr·et.t). I wouJ.d like to know if the mintster could tell the House what the si.tuat. ·ion is pertaining to the Eastee1 Industries bankruptcy and the provincial government 1 s liability? The reports indicate that the government may lose up to $1J. mi. 11 i.on.

T would 1 Ll< E! r.o know can the minister provide i.nformat. ·i.on t:o Lhe House on +·.his ruatte1"? MR. BARREll: Mr· . S p e r .. ll< t"' r· . MR. SPErlKFR: The hon. the Minister of DE!Vf~l.oprnE~nt <.Hld To11r·J.sm. Mf~. BARRETT : Ml". Spe:1ab>.r·, giv i.ng dll. I dJstinct.ly of th,'li·: Ll117 A p r· :i1 .2 2 , 1 9 8 8 r E!lliE!ITib E! r d(,~ l::ai.l.cO!d Vol XL. . informr.~t.ton to l:h.i.s hon. HoUSE! several weeks ago. I do not know J.f it is necessary Lo reiterate a 11 that again .

I wo u 1 d 1 i k E! to rc'!f«::H' t:he hon . me1nber t_o prt:.~ss releases that were made on the sub j e c t: , as IJ.J<->. 11 as 1:: he infor~ation that was given to this House i n a very detailed E!Xp1.anation as to goVE!rnmE!nt 1 s position i.n that entire unfortunatE! circumstanCE!. WE• c ~:! r t r'\ "i. nl y <'I lAid r· ~;! oF L h ~'!

Fa c t: 1:: Vi i'l t EastE!eJ. is in rE!CE:dve:~rsh:i.p, and t~H:• 1 J n d E:l r· ~; t: .:-\ n d 1-. h d t: 1'.: h r,~ I" e c l:! '.'i. v H r· h i3. s undertaken whatever action is 11f:)C<~ss.:-~r· y t:o dJ. spos~:• of l.:he ass~: !tS and to pay from the disposition of t. h 0 S (,~ i.~ S S f'! i'·. :; IAI h ,;) t f~ I) (,~ Y' r E! S i. cl U i:'l l. i. S available to both thE! S<'•Cul~E•d and uns!,'CIIr'fi!cl CI"Ocl ~i t-.or·s. T ·i.nfol"llled t h e H o u s <:~ a t: t h a l. t :i 111 e t h E• s L i'.l 1·: 1.1 s Of cont :l"i;)Cl:S l:. ha'\-. I~JPr' f~ OUI:stand .:i.nq 1.1.dth that: facility, thE!

IAJ(H'k that.: hi:,1d l:.o bE! donE:~, dnd Lh<;! po l::(:!nt. i.aJ. loss that: thE! gover·nrnE!nt: IAJoul.d acci"LI( i! as a r·esul.l··. oF gui:~r·ani··.ees that the goVE!rnrnent had p1ace•d on a project biits :i.s dur'ing th~'! h;Hlur·e of that company. I do not haVE! aJ.] that spE!c:lftc i.nformaU.on -Ln my hands. If l:he han. member wants that specific "i.nforrnat: i.on aga:i.n, and he;! cannot find it: in Hansard, I would be rnor·e t.ht:'ln happy t.o pr·ov.i.ciE:! i 1:: For hirn. MR. K. AYLWARD: Mr . ::ipc,laker· . MR. SPEAKER: fl supp1 Prnc~ni'.iH'Y, l~ he hon. rnetni:HH' for· Stephenville (Mr·. I<.

AyllAJ<'.tr'd). MR. i(. AYL.!t~JARD : Wel1, 1 IJ.lOl:ild l:i.ke to ask the rn-L n ·i s I· ~1 r f 11 r· 1.: her· on t.hP 1nal:'.l: c:!r' which is oF rather hug~~ :i.mporLi:lnce, rHld l~lC'! do 1·1ot. fE'!el. there is enough 'i.rnpol"tan c E• av<.·1~i.l.abl.E~ i'lt the ti1ne. No. 22 R 1117

t would llke to ask the mlnister a further question concerning the securlty that the government asked for when they pr·ovided the lor-HI!> I ~ o F.<:·\ s 1': e c,~ 1. Indus t.: r· -i. r,~ s . Co 1.11 d h ~~ ·t-c,~lJ US :i.f the OWI'IE:H'S of thi'::~ pr:\Y'(;!nt COirtpr:·\nlj WE:'I"C'! askr-:!d i .. o provide security to back up the g u <.~ r· a 11 i" E! e d 1 o i'l 11 :; <.·\ n d o t h 1::~ r· F:inanci al assistance that was p r· o v i. d <;! d b y l. h '~ p r· o v .i n c 1. a 1 governntE!nt.? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. t.he Minister of Devel.oprnc,~nt . MR.

BARRETT : As I had informed the House previously, the majority of the assistanCE! that thE! goVE!rnrnent had provide:~d t:hat cornpc.~ny was ·i.n the form of pr·oject financing asststance, and the secur.it.y, of course, . was the projects them s elves. When they were br·ought to a conclusion, thE!n, of cour·se, that c-?.llm i.natf=!d and removed the responsibility of government to act. The rea s on that that was necessary, of coursE:~.

I~Jas 1:hdl:: th<~ COirtpr'lny r:'lnd rh€~ prj nd pa] s of the,~ company had r· e r:-1 11. y c o rmn i. 1:·. t o d e~l 1 of t: he avaJJable security that they had t: o 1:. h r,~ b a 11 k s i. n o r d o r· t o p r o v :i c:l n a n o p p o r· t.: u n i t y f o r <-?. rn p 1 o y m t~ n t f o r i'l g r (;! <.~ t numb E! r· of p eo p 1 e l 11 t. h C:! ProvincE"~. AN HON. MF.MBF.R : In St. John's . MR. BARRETT: No. It is not located in St . John ' s , by t: he tAJcl y . Maybe t h c.;, gentleman should find out where certain pJ.aces are local:ed before he makes those flippant remarks.

We are not at all comfortable with having to s(;!e any "i.ndus Lry i.n l:h i.s Province close. There are a L l 1.1.8 Apri .l. ?./., 1.988 Vol. X 1 .. nurrrbr:!r of i.ssues thr.~t conl:. rtbut:c,~ d to that unfortunate E!VE!nt. As I adv-isod Lhc,~ rnembf:!rs oppos.it.e previously, government's position IAJH ~; r.'\5 St:~CI.Ir'f~ HS i.t COitld hdVE! beE!n.

What t.I.Jas donE:' uJa~; t.:o t.·\ c c onmtod ;:·\ l. r.:! r:·1 c ornpr:'l n y .i. n d ·L F F"i. culL cii"Cums tances to try and pl"olong l:hP. life of thi:\f'. c:ornpr'lny and t·.o provide employment for a great nurnbr,1r oF N(=!I~Jfoundl.dndt:!r· s l~or· as long as was possible. Mf~. K. AYLWARD : A final supplementary, Mr. Speak e r . MR. SPEAKER: A f ·Lnal SLlpplE!rrtentary . MR . K. AYLWARD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . I would ju s t like t o a sk the 111 i.n i. s J·.:er. not~J t.ha l:.

L.hE! c ompany 'i s in bankruptcy , is thE! goVE!rnntE!nt goi.ng l ~ o ha ve any 'i. npui: :i. nl:: o see i ng that wht1E! thE! a s sEd~s ar' e sol. d 1·. o t" ~~covE! r· rno n L e s for· L hE! c r E' d ito r s , t hat th e tAJ h o 1 e b u s 'i. n "~ s s • c o u l d p o s ~; ·i b 1 y b e ~; o l. d a~; a unit so that t~ hto ! bus'inE!S S can p o s s :i b l. y r· e s l:. i:'\1" ·l: ·i. n t h e F u t: u r· E! , 1nathe:~r than SE!par·at.E! pe1rt:.s of 'it b~dnq so 'l d ofF, 't:h t.ts l. !C> r:-\IJing no futur·e at alJ. for thE:~ op~H·c:d~ing?

I a rn tAJO n de I" i. n g "i s Ulf'! g C.HHH' n trH:! n +: having any input into tho se proceed ·i. ngs ~hat are start .i.ng l n the next few days? MR. SPEAKF.R: The hori .. ~- thE! of Dev(~l.oplm~nt. MR . BARRETT : rJir. Sp~H"kE:~r. T IAJOuld suqg('!St.: that the member opposite familiarize hi.rnself to~.l"i . l:h l:hc,, l:: ,~r · ms of The Bankruptcy Act. Th~~ Bankruptcy Act i.s a federal staLuto whtch provides thE! rrwchanisrns thi"Ough wh i. ch cornpan l es aro placed 'into receivership and the d i sposition No. /. /. R 11 J H

of those assE:~ts. That is uthat is happening here. A receiver has been appointed by the creditors. And the dispos'it.i.on oF Lhe assEd:s IAJ:i.ll flow through, prE!sumably, in accordance with that act. my department have way of influencing preferred position T h e P r· o v :i n c e o r absolutely no or hav:lng any in tl1at process. MR. GULLAGF.:; Mr·. Speaker. MR. SPEAKFR: ThE:~ hon. the member for Waterford - K~Hlmount:. Ml?. GlJU.AGF: T have a question fol" the M:irr.i st.er· oF Conslttn(,~r AFf,,, ·ir·s Corrrnturdcat·.i ons (Mr·. Young), n o 1: C'! h c;! i. s n o l. "i. n L. h ('! H o 1 1 s €:~ ''lnd bu 1:.

I so r the wiJJ direct my question to D~:!plt L".y Prc,111ri ~H'. Tn 1""i.ghl·: of l:h~~ fr:"lcl: t.hal: J ·l:: hr.~s bE:HHl anrwuncE!d or a statemEHlt has bE•c,1n rnHdc-:"! by the;! M"i.nist:er· of Consumer· Affairs that a full 1-.i.nE! of p e t. r· o l. E!lJ m p r· o d u c t. s IAri.l l. b <::1 avaiJ.able for saJ.e in Newfoundland SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. GULLAGE : NOilt that the minister is back, I dlr·ecl: that quest."i.on to htm. My cornme•n1: was now that products of l::he Corne-?.

By Chance~ r•c;!f"i.nCc!r'y c:·lrE! go:i ng to br:.! ava :iJ ctble for· salE! in Net.•.Jfoundl.and, could l:·.h(:1 rn ·i.n.i.s l:1:1r comment: on IAihethc,H' this IAtould ITIE!at'l b E:1 1-: t. ~:! r p r :"i. c e s \". 0 f'o.J ~~ IAI F () I I n rl "I c'l n d consumers? In a comparable s i. I~ 1.1 r.l 1-. ·j on of P 1::1 t r o · C ro\1'1 "i. n C d n r'l r:l c:·l , IAJ:i th a fed<,1ral ruandab~, tl·w products dnli.LHH't~d l·.:o l.he trlcH'kC'!i:. did not ultimately result in bet:l:c'!r pr·i . cos t:o l.:hC'! c:cHlSUiflc;!r' , :~1: Ll119 April 22, 1988 Vol XL the pumps and homE! dE!ltvery.

CouJ.d he cornrn<:~nt. on 1/JhE!I:her· :in Neutfoundland it IAJill be diffE•rent and we IAJ.il.l. sC:~e bet:L~~r pr"ici.ng t.o the Newfoundland consumer? SOME HON. MEMBERS: liear, hear! MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the MinistE!r of Consumer Affairs and Housing. MR. YOUNG: Mr. Speaker·, contrary to LhE! op i.rdon of th~:! Oppos i.l·. i.on, '"'~'! drl.':' very proud that the Corne By Chance refinery is putti .ng oi.l product.s on the Newfoundland market.

II:: is 111 y 11 n d <;! r ~; t fl ncl"i. n g t h ;:., t: j u s t: d t.lr' ·i n CJ the past week gasoline From the tnlc~F:i . nt;!r'y ha~; COlli('! on I h('! t'l'li;~l"i<Ht. and IAJ(~ hop~~ and tt'"·ust that·. in Lhr:• c <) 111 p <'l t i. '1.: i. t) ,,~ rn r:'l n n C! t" o \) f'! n 1:: 11 '"~ -, l y indJ.vidual out1E!'I::S 1Ad.11 bee! set. up in l:he Prov""i.nce and cornpeti~ion wiJ.l reduce the cost of gasoline. MR. GULLAGE: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary, the hon . Lhe member for Kenmount Waterford. MR. GULLAGE: Mr.

Speaker, will these products bE:~ i'1Vrri labl.e l:.o all cotnpan i101s doing business in Newfound1and and not:: jusl: one par·t ·i.cul.ar• cornpdny?

Is it the intent of thE! goVE!rl1tnE~nt 1:". o rna !< ~' s u r· ~~ 1·.: 1·1 cl t. 1·.: h ~'! p r· o d 1 1 c 1:: s d r· E! availablE:! in such a i.&.J<'IY "l:hclt on~:· C Orrlflc:Hl y l~ri.ll. l'l 0 1·: 1'1 dIll'! cHl t:·l d V c:~ 1"1 t. i:'l g (,1 in the marketplace by way of a p1.rr•chi::tse, I>~Jh:-i.ch h,::~s b~~~=!n r·1.11not"~:·d, of a group . of s~H·vj cc;! stations by CornP fly Chc:1ncc,~ so i·.h<:·li·: l.:h~~y !Ali..ll . have access to the rnsrket in a capt ·i

L) t'! l<kl y 1~1 i 1: h o nl y 1: h i. s on C:' group of SE!r·vice stations? Ot" IAJi.ll., :i.n fdcl : , i :: h(,~ proclucl::s be'• No. 22 Rll19

available to all companies so that we will see a fair competitive pr·ice on l:he rnar·kc~l::, unl.i.kt:~ t~Jhr.ll~ we see now with the Petro-Can s t tua t-. i.on? MR. SPEAI<FR : . fhH hon . Lhli:~ motnber For ConstHnt ;!r' Affa:i.r·s. MR. YOUNG: M r· . S p e c~ k c~ r , t h e o j 1 r· e f i n e r· y a t CoJfl(,1 By Ch<:'l.ncc,~ ""i.s ~.~ pr·.iv;:·\l:.e Fi.r·1n, and r· am pretty sure that this gotJernlllenl: h.~s no i.ntHnl:i.on of taldng over· privatr:1 enterprises l. .ike l:hc~ NDP w:~nt to do. We do not te] J. any private firm whorn to sell thetr pr·odttcts l::o.

And I hope and trust that any person who wants to can go in and buy t-.hc,~ gasoline and other products from l:.hc->. refin€~ry can do so. It. i.s a frc;!e markc~t. MR. SPEAKER: Or·der; pl.Hase! The time for oral questions has elapsed. At t-hls stage I would like to welcome to the galleries twenty sttH~€Hlr. s Fr·om llooi-.h ILi.gh ~'lchool, Windsor, with their teachers Mr. Warren and Mr. Fry . SOME HON. MFMRFRS : Hc,~<H', h1i:1iH'! Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees DR. TWOMEY : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon . thE! MinistE!r of Public Works. DR.

TWOMEY: L.1.120 April 22, 1988 Vol XL T would like to table in this han. House the annual report of the N(;1t~Jfoundl.;:·lnd and l.abr·ador PubJ.ic Service Commission for the year 1986-1.987. SOME HON. MEMBERS: 1-1 r,1r:H' , h t'! a r ! Q.li.:___i: 0 L. LI 1:! S : Mr . SpPdkC'!r. MR. SPEAKER : ThE! han. the M-.in'istE!r of HE!cllt:h . DR. COLLINS: M r . S p t~ <.·\ I< f~ r , r 1~1 i s h t. o t: a b I. C'! t: h E! annual report of ThE! NE!LAJf ou nd 1 and Med·i. cal Car·e Co1nm·Lss i.on for· t:he year ending March 31, 1987. Petitions MR. LUSH: Mr. Spt~aker . MR .

SPEAKER : T h 1:1 h on . t h c;! rn c->.111 b t:' t" F o r· flo n a v i s ti:~ North. MR . LUSH : Mr . Spr-:!i.·ll<t;!r, T pr·t,1~)<'!1'll.: d pC'!I::·it-::i.on today on behaJ.f of approximately 32S people oF Greenspond. Actually, I shottld say that aLL of the,~ fH~ople do nol·. CCHTH'! fr··orn Greenspond; the vast. majority do, bu-1:. I wi.ll gc,~t atnot.tnd t·.o t.hal:. a 1. i. Lt.l.e later·. ThE! matter bedng addres!>E!d, YoUin Honottr·, i.s t.hc->. r·oc:·\d l'.:o Cr·e(!I1Spond, the road leading from the Bonav i. s t.t~ Loop H"i.g hiAia y t.o and through the town of Greenspond.

Il:. i.s commonly rE!fen·c;•d t.o as t.hr:~ Sharnblers Cove Road. Now, you Mr. Speaker, a p H t. ·i. 1 ... ·i. o n a n d No. 22 I tAiill rNJ.d I bt:!l'i.evt:!, to in Rll.20

t.he IAJor·ds of 1ny good fr· i . <:~nd I thr,' member for the Strait of Belle I s 1. (.;! ( M r· . n ~~ c k e r· ) I l .. lvd. i. 1: 11w 1'd .. s alJ the requirements of a petition. T shall accordingly r·ead it. It sc:~ys ~'To I: hE! Hon. HousC'! of Assembly, in Parliament assembled. The petition of the undersigned residents of the <:l'i s t r· i c t'. o f B o n a v t s 1:. a N o r i·. h ~ll 1 rn b l. y sheweth:

WHEREAS the Shamblers Cove Road lE:~ading l:o Gr'E!enspond and Lhe rnrri.n road through Greenspond are in such a depl.or·dbl.~1 cond"i.t.-i.on; and

WHEREAS l::he connnuni .l:y oF Greenspond is a vibrant and s u c c ~~ s s f 111 f i. s h i n g s e ·L 1:. 1. e HW n 1.: , h1:1vJ.ng a vor·y st.ICCE!SSful fJ.sh p l. c·l n I: l o c r:-1 1-: r;! d i. n t h n IJ J 1. l d g e ; r·l n d 11\IHFREAS l.he r:lol .. r;!i"iOI"i:~l".inq con<Li t:i on of 1':11e road :i.s not · c o n d u c ·i IJ <:' t. o E:! n s u r· i. n g c.~ v :i. C\ b l. ''! f:i.sh pJcHl't oper·at'.'i .on also causing llll.ICh 1.1111'1l:~C~~SSC1Y'Y IAH:~,:~r dnd i"E'!i'lr 01'1 ·thE!

V<-?.hl.cles of l"esidents and t.hOSl-'! lAJhO COHirriUI· : o 1'.0 IAJOrk t'IC l::h('! fj sh pl.ant on a daily basis from other nearby cornmunit:i.es. WHEREFORE, the;! und~::~rs:igrH:'d YOlH' petitioners humbly pray and caJ.l upon Lhe House of Assembly to instruct the Minister of Transportation to al.local::e monies immediately for reconstruction, upgrading, maintenance and paving of these road systE!m~~. 11 and that "i.s the;! r·oad fr·om l'.h<,~ Bonau i. std Loop Highway to and through the comrnun i.ty of Gr'EH:Hlspond, corrnnonl.y r·efen·ecl t.o as the SharnblE!rS Cove Road. r"'r.

SpE!i.·lkl,~r· I l t.h ink f:.hc,~ Pi"dyor of ·t- h E! p co?. t :i. t. '.i. o n s f.l y s i t a 11 , r· f:' a 1.1 y . Most hon. IIH,1TIIbHrs sho11l .d kncu~J i:hc:11: G r· c,~ c-:~ n s pond :i. s on rc> of t hE! hi s tori c fish -ing IJ:i . l.l.dgl:~s of 1\lPlAJfoundl.dnd, L.1121 Apl":i] 22, 1988 Vol XL ;:1 pr·osp~:~rou~; tol.o~Jn 1 i'l PI"OSj:HH'OlJS vi.llage, and, Mr. SpE!akE!r, a most sct~n:ic dr' E~r:~. r.·\1'1 r:tr'Pi:·\ t.:hat .i.f hon. mE! m be r s h a v E:~ not v i s :i. t E! d i t 1: hE:! y should do i.t. i·o Ql'!t. <:'t br·~~at:h of fresh air coming right in from the Atlanl7. ·'i.c OcE:~c:'ln. It.

"i. !; d bc"!autiful area to visit, Mr. Speaker. Unf'ortunat.ely, t:he cH'E:'a does not get a11 the visitors it shouJ.d, because of the condition 6F the road. The road is a relatively nc,~w r·oad, I:H->.cause, as (~ll hc:)n. members will know, Greenspond :i.s an i.s1and and :i.t: is onJ.y recc:!nt.l.y that thE! causetAJaY l/Jas constr·ucb;!d i::hel"E:~. We;! hc:'tVE:~ c:l beL.hH' causel.o~Jay than we haVE! got a road syst.E!ITI. Ill] c:~ h c:·ltH! a r: d u s C-?.IAii:-1 y I b t 1 1:: e1 v l:! r y poor road system on either side of the causeway. r he road is now dolAJn to bedr·ock.

ThE!rE'! ·.1s nothin~:J i:h,·~ · l· i·:he l)(!fldl~l.rnE!I"' ' I• of l · lighlAJi :• ty~; ClnE!lAJS ou l:. l..h~~re can do oi.n 'LE' !rm~; of grddi .ng L:hl:' 1noi:·1d. Thc::ll.: rnr::lke~; J.·ii:t:J.e dJ. fferl':~rlC(,!, bE!CaUSE! il'. j~; r· i.ghi' r:lo,~m ·l·.o I: hE:~ b~~dr·oc k. T lfli:·llk! d r·ecommondc:·l ·i· ... i.on l·. o l.:he ministE!r. As a mattE·r· of fact, I g o t ,.~ l. f~ I~ 1:: r:! r· F r· o rn 1'. h E~ p r• E~ v i o u s minister, sometime early Fall, c::l s k i. n g me 1-. o p r· i. or' i. z o L h (~ r· o ads in rny dist:r·ict, which I did.

I d:i.d that and T even spec:ified t:he area that they should start with, knotAJing, Mr·. Spec.~kl,~r, t:hat it lAJas pro b a b 1 y u.n rea 1 i s t i c to t:. hi n k t hat. we would get all. of l.he road down. I think it is about ni.rH,~I:E~Hn or t.I..IHHlt:y k i. lorne-?.ters . [ th:ink that is thE! total dJs tanCE! of LhE! r·oc:~d. sorn~~tAJl·lf!l"t~ t n that r a n g e . I e v e n s p E! c if i e d 1..11 h o r E! 1:'. h E~ y s h o ul d s t i'l r· 1: i. n d !; k .i. n g 1:: h a t: about four or five or six k i. 1. o 1 fll:~ I·• E'! r· s b I'! s 1.• a r· ·1- e d ·i. n t. h .i. s f'.'i.s cal yE:~al". M r· .

S p E! a k E! r· , I lAJ a s a Jjtt:Je r:l i. s <.·1 p p o i. n i':r'! d 1: o IH• c:~ r L h .i. '' rn o r· n i n g , lAJhen the l:i.st 1/Jas bEdng I"E!ad out:, 1"i'ldt Cr' l·)l!'nspond l~Ja!; nol. i.ncluded No. 22 R 112 :1.

:i.n l:hat l'i.st. Becaus(-?., Mr. Speaker, if tt is going to be donE! o n n ('! E~ d , c e r t. a i. n 1. y UH~! r e ·i. s n o t c\1'1 area in this Province that r·E~qu--J.r·es .i. t:s r·oads to b~:! 1.1p9radE!d rno1ne than the people of G r· e c-:l n s p o n d , IAri. 1:: h 1:: h i. s t; i. b r· d n t F i. s h pJant, Mr·.

Speake!r', and pE!oplE! wo r· k i. n g f r· o rn rH:1 iH' by c orrttrtl.trl.i. 1: ·; E:! s , c:tnd sh:ipp:ing f:ish to and from the f .i. s h p l <:·1 n 1-. • C c-:~ r i.: c:\ :i. n l y , ·i. f 111<~! c:-1 I" r,~ tclJkjng about upgrading roads to r·eso1 . 1rc~~s, thi.s 1nus L 1·.r:1kr'! <:\ nurnbE!l" on c,1 p r· ::i or· j ty . So I IAJ cl s· d:'i.sappo ·i.ni"C:!d l:hdt il·: !..1li'1S not on ti·1E~ list· this moJ"nj.ng, but I am IAI.l. ll. i. n 9 i·: o r· ~'! s C~! r v r,~ j 1.1 d 9 (:11fl (;! n t , a s :i s t hE:' tm~ rn be r· f o r Me n i hE! k .

I am L11-L 11 "i. n g +·. o IAli~ i. 1:. for· L he o t: her· 6 ~; per cent to be announced to see if Cr·ee'!rtspond ls go i.ng t:.o be:~ Jncl.udE~d 'in that list, and I plead tAJith thE! m.ini.st:c.;,r· to ensure->. l:.hat -i.t ·i. s :included. · I tAlill say g:iven Uds encouraged. al.rec:~dy got ed.ght. ball.. this: From the li.st mor·ning, I am nol:. to·o The government t:hetnS(·d.VE!S beh'i.nd l::he NotAJ, Mt". Speaker, in conclusion, 1-.:hr::'Y have,~ e1 l.ol:: oF cr.~t:ch i.ng up l.:o do, and I hope in t.hat. catching--up process the Greenspond Road, the Sharnblers Cove Road, will be i.ncl.LJde,!d. SOMF HON.

MF.MB F I~S: He~r, hE!e:tt"! ~R. SPFAKF.I~: T h o h o n . 1·. h <,~ 1 n e rn b <'! r f o t" 1:: h E:~ S t: r· r.1 -i. t. of 8(~11 E! Isl<~!. ~ R.. D Fe I< F R : ThiHlk you, Mr· . Spc,H'II<e~!r' . Mr·. SpE1c3.kE!Y', I arn glad t:o stand and support this pet:ition presented by rny coJ.leagu<-:l. r./lr.

L1122 Apri1 22, 1988 Uol XL Speaker, I arn sure Your Honour wil.l allow me to digrE!S s just for a fE:11AJ l;E~conds iHld say l'lOIAI .it nr:wPr CE!aSE!S t.o amaze me tAJhE!n I rE!al.:izE• the effor·ts wh i.ch rny col.l.<~!agl . tC::~ .:i.s continual.l.y putting in for his c:l "i s t r i. c 1:'. • T 11 nd <:• r· s i:: and i·. h a I~ dtiring the• past thrE!E! tAH:!E!I<s this h on . 1rH·mtb EH' t" (,~ c Ed v e d t. <'! n ' del.egations from his district., i. n c l1 1 <l'L n g d d e l r,~ 9 (:~ 1·: -i_ o n f r· o 1 n 1'. h ('! v c-:~ r y c o rnrn u n i t y IAI h E! r e,1 t·. h i ~; p E! t. i t: i o n C:Orrtt-:!S ft"Orrt, fi'Oifl l:hr:! 'f::OIAII'l ·of Grt;!(,Hlspond.

In thE!ir 1 WHEREASE~:l 1 , Mt". SpE•akc~!r', i: h (;~ y 1.1 S A (·. h C;! t·. (! I" rrt 1 d (~ p 1. 0 Y' i:~ b l e~! 1 t: 0 describe their road. Now, the M-i.n'i.st.<:!r' of Tr·r::\nspol"t:a'l: i.on, T a1n sure, is au.1are• of tho meaning or· the,~ IAior·d 1 dE'!pl.or'abl.C::~ 1 • Cf hE! l'ldS any doubts about what the word 1 dep1orab1E! 1 means, I I..1101J1d s uggE! st. to l'ltrn that hE! u.Jould t:a k E· a V"i.S.i. t out. l:.o !:he'! Cr·E~e'!nspond ar·Ha and SE!E! E!XactJ.y IJ.Jhat thoSE! pE•op}E• are tali<Lng about when thGy descr:ibE! the road. NotAl, l:i'd s is a long weekend.

The House oF Assembly is not: opE!n on Monday, so T. tAIOul.d ask HH,1 mi. n:i s i·: <-H' thai': h<~ go out and talk to as many of t.: h o s <:~ :l 2 ~; p r,, o pl. r,~ 11J h o s i g n c->. c:l i. h i. s petition as he can. There are 325 people,~ 111ho hc.'''H~ ~; t gnc'!C~ i.t-., and i. t: i s cl 1. o n g t.U E! e I< ~0! n d , IAJ h cd:. ;:~ J. o v E• J. y l~li:\Y for· l : ht~ mints l·: r;!r' r.o SPE'!I'ld l::h i.s IJ.J e:1 E! k e n d , t o g o o u t t o G 1" E! e n s p o n d d n d s p r,1 d k 1: () a s Tfl < .~ n y 0 r 1.: h e ] :>. r;, a s he can.

Now. 1.uhen thE! rninistor· gel·:.s up '1:-.o r· P. s p o n d t: o 1: h "i s p <'! 1: i. t: i. o n , T r:~ 1 n sure hE' :is going t.o comE! up IAIJth l:ht:) s,;unr,~ old s "i. l.ly sl:or·y, !:hat: thE!re :is not enough monE•y to pavE• 'L. h c,~ c; r· t:~ o n s p o n d r· o a d . N o L•.J , M r . SpeakE!r, this is a cop- .. out. It is e1 cop .. --out: t:o 1·:.c1l.k abou 1.: no 1:. E!nough money . I rE!rnernbE!r, not VE!ry long ago, 1~1hen 1.1)('! had l::h ls cr'us cad(~ For' prosperity, when we had the Tories up say .ing, 'NotAl, fH:wpl.e of No. 22 R 1122

NetAJfoundldnd, e:~l<,~ct "' Tor·y gouernnwnt. tn OttaiAia and thc-:Hl tAle IAii.l.l hdtH! her tnddt~. Wr:! IM ·ill h;;nH~ aJJ kinds of secondary roads i:~ g r· e 1::~ IIIH n t: s . W c-:~ t.olli.l.l I1<:-1V c,1 agt"<·H-?.ments on E:wer·yt.h:ing, the only p r () b 1. E~ In W ('! l.~l i. l. l. b (,~ IAl 0 IAJ i. 1. 1. h i:•\ V () too much money.' That is what was going to happe ·n, Mr. Speaker. That is iJ.Jhal:. they IAJBY'E! saying, too many jobs, too many car·s for our peopl.(:~, too much pr·os peri ty. This tAla s · the promise.

In spite of the fact that this 1..11as the promise, this government, although ·we have had Tor•y Otta1..11a and Tory Newfoundland f o r· t h e p a s t F o u r y e a r· s , ~H'IV e n o 1: been able to sign a secondary r·oads agr·~~emt-;!111:. Tt IAJas pr·orrr:i.s <-?.d thr·ee or four YE!ar·s ago, thE! pr'(:!V i.ou s lfl i. n i. ~; l·. et" pt"Oifl"i s f;!d -j 1:, yet~ they have not delivered. A n d h <·) I" ~'! -j s u·, (! c I" u x o ·r u, p matter. J agree with the minister th;:lt l::hoy do not-. h<~we l.hf:~ monE!Y to pave roads.

J ~m wondering if t i·H:! y h;;nJ e l'! 1101.1 g h 1110 n<-?. y t.o pr:·\Y i-.IH' Jig ht bi 1J, UtE:~ IAJay Lha t th(:!Y have b H e n r· 1 1 n n i. n g t: h e p r· o v -j n c e . R u 1.: , !iiH'ely goodnE!SS, now that they hi'IVC:! t.h~>.i.r· bosom pdl.s i.n Otl:.r:·liAJi:·\, they can g<-?.t to signtng cl simple thing like a secondary roads agreernt1nt~ and that tAiiJ.l solve the problt~rn out in Gr'E:1enspond, Mr·. Speaker. It seems to me that they must have some sort of agreement signE1d on press secretaries with Ottawa. TherE! SE!erns to bE! lots of money For· pr'C.;!SS s<,~cr'E!t.ar·"i.es.

I have,~ not: heard it announced, Mr. Speaker, but. I am l.ooki.ng for·t•.Jar·d to IAJhen thr:~y IAriJ.l announce ·that there has be~H\ an agr·c,H'!Hient. eni-:er·r,!d -j nt.o IArith Ottawa, becausE! this ProvincE! d o e s n o 1.: h ct v f'! 1:. h l-?. 1 no n ~:! y i: o p i'l y f o r· the press secretaries. So they rnust be,~ gt~t : l:ing lfloney fr·o1n l.1l23 Apl"il 22, 1988 Vol. XL. s Olfi(:!IAii'lfc~ r f:~ I i:\1'\ d :r. IAJO 1.11 d d s s 1.11(1(,! 1-. h p y have an agre~:Hne,nt tAJori<E~d out IArl t:h () 1·. 1.·. ,:-ti~Jd .

T h r,~ o 1: IH~ r p o i. n 1 I M r· . ~) p <-?. ;:·1 I< EH' , T want to suggE!St to l:.he hon. 1n i. n t st.(;! r· I :i. F h f;! :i. s 1·.: a 1 k i. n g i:·\ bout:. money, is they are on thE! ver·ge of signing an agreement concerning the railway. NotAl, I arn assuming thctt when that agreement is s i g ned , t h :i. s Pro vi n c E! lAri 11. t u r n u p w t I: h c:\ t l. e ~~ s t $ 1 . 5 b ·i 11 i. o n . N O"IAJ , I am putting a rough figure on what it i.s IAJort.h.

Sur~~l.y qoodn~:!SS they are going to get a $1.5 blll.i.on, and when they get this 1.5 billion or 2 b:ll]ion, IAJh:i . chevE~r·, some sernbl.anc~: ! of IAJhat it is worth - AN l-ION . MFMBER: F'i-ghl:: hi.t-i·-,-;:Jj;.~-~;r- ;•1nrl t-h · i.r·t·~'!Hn m·i 11 ion dolllars. MR. DH~KFR : Do not eVE!r let me hE:1ar t:hr:• 1ni.n"i.sl· .r'!l" s<~lY it -i. s ~;aoo trroi.l.lion, bE! cau s ~'! that IAJould <:l t.:o l:.i:~l s f.! ll. o u t: . T 1·1 i'l i··. I~Jo 11l d b <"! a l.: o t: r~ l. sellout, $813 million is a 9 :-i. V ~~ i:\IAJ,;) Y , {) (: l ('! d S t_ $ l . ~l b :i. l. l. .i. () rl 1 nothing short- MR.

SPEAKER : Or·d~H', pl<~!asr:~! r"'R. DECKER : Can I have a little bit. of leavo, Mr. Spec.~kc.;!r . AN HON. MEMBER: ~i.t down. Sit down . MR. DECKf,R: .. LE!aVe? AN l-ION. MEMBER : No, Mr·. Sp(,~ab~r. MR. BAI<ER: Thoy just cannot t:.ake thE! hE~at., Mr. ~ip<:!.:-Jkc~r'. f"h<'!Y jus!-: can no!:: No. 22 rn 1.21

take the h(.;!at. SOME HON . MEMAERS: Hear, hear·! MR. DAWE : Mr . SpE:~aker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the of Trans por·t.at:-i on. MR. DOYLf: Mr. ~3p<,~r:1k<,'r, T din pJ<,~asr,H·I t.o hi:·\lH) thE:~ oppol"tunjty to stand and to spr'! <·1k i.n Stlppol"l·. of l:he f>E!t:'i.l:·.'i.on p r· e s e n t" E! d b y t h e mE:~ rn b e r f o r Roncluistct North on beh~1f of 3?.0-odd constituents of his ·in thE! d i. s 1·: r· ·i c L , IAri. t·. h r· fi! g i'11" d 1.·. o t: h n upgradJng ~nd lhe paving of the Shamb1ers Cove Ro~d. T am Vl,!r'y fmrrriliar t•.Ji. L:h l·:h(,1 Shamb1.E!r's Cove Road, Mr.

Speaker, having met u.riLh a dc,~l.egati.on fr·om the hen. member 1 s district on at least two different occasions to talk about the Shamblers Cove Road and to indicate the need that they haVE! to have that particular road upgraded and paved. Mr. Speaker, as T hi:~V<.;! i.nd .. Lcated to the delegation and indicated to UH,~ h o n . me m b e r o n a n u rn b (,H' o f differ·ent occasions, IJJB do not yet hHtJe our· capi.taL pr·ogrt :·11111nc.;! dei'll t t•.d t h IAJ'.H. h :i n t h E! d (~! p a r t rn e n t .

T h e hon. mt.;!rnb<~!r' rnakt,~s r·eftH'tHlCC::! to l:hf~ e <'..t r· 1 y t E~ n d E:1 r· in g of cap J t:. a 1 pr'OJf~Ci':S tHld hOil) l:ha1- Y'Or:-ld IAJdS l'lOl: :j n c: J u d e d J n l:. h a t p a r· t :i. c u J <'.l r J :i s t. . So U1 d t I' h c..' h o n . 111 r'! rn I:H'H' tAri l. l. no l: rrr.is]<.;!i:J.d anybody, t.I"IEi! pr·ojt'?.ct.s tl'lat: IAJO h r:·1 tJ ~~ ,,, n n o u n c f'! d l: o d a y ;:·1 r' r,1 projects which are ready to go and IAJ h i. c h I f () r UH.;! Ill() s L p r'lr' 1':.

I d () n 0 t require any great extensive amount of 1.1 p g r· c:H:I 'L n g , rno s 1.: l y t I'H'! p a v i. n g and upgrading that has already L'H'!E!rl c<H'r'Led 011t at sorn(~ pcl'i.nt past. 1..1124 Apr·.i.l 22, 1988 Vol. XL So, Mr·. SpE)akt:~r, ther<~! Js a very good reason iJJhy it is not included -Ln thE! E:~f:'lr·l.y tE:~nd<->.r· · i.ng of Ci:'1p-:i.l~al projects. The length of that particular road the member refers t:.o Js approx .i.mal:el.y 20 kilorneL:ers, and 11.1hat IJ.le arE! talking about hE!Y'E! i!; 1.'1 n t~ x p fi! n d :i. t-_ 11 r· E! o F r· o u GJ h l. y d b o u t $3.5 million.

We certainly do not knoi~J, Mr. Spt,~r:·1k<,1r', ·i.f IAJO rH'("! going to bE! ablE:~ to undE!Y'takE! t.l'ic:lt. pl"ojecl ". 1:h·is y~)i:1r'. Thr,~ hon . lfl1::~1nbo1" sl:r::tl:Hs l·: h<'tc Lhr~!I"P :i. s n o o Hw r r· o ad . :i. n t h e P r· o v i. n c (! in gr·r,~i'\[:,::!1" nE:!Hd oF br:'! .. i.ng upgraded.

It is funny that the lll~)rnbr:;!r IAJho Sl.ippoi"LE!d l':.ht~! p<'!l::i.l:.:i.on, the member for the Strait of Belle C s l E:' , ·1. i:·1 s 1:: ~~lfi ! t' k , I.•Jh on hE! t•Ja s maktng a caSE! for sornE! r·oads i.n h'i.s doi.sl:.r··i.cl:, I.•Jds sayi.ng t.h&t. thE!rE! is no grE!at.E!r' nE:!ed than thE• road that hi.s constLLuonL:s Jive on, no grE!at.er nE!E!d for any road to be u p g r· ad <->. d and p i:lU C:! d l:: h a n L he roads in his area.

I went: down 1.1.r.ith thE! mr::!nlbE•r For B ll r g eo - Bay d 1 E s p o i. r· 1. as l: IAle ('! k t. o speak to the people fron1 Burg eo, i. n D f~ <;! r· L a k <'' , d n d t h (,1 h o n . rn (,~ m b E! r to1d mt~ that therE! :is no grE!atE!r n ~'! (.;! d t. h H n i". o h <:·1 tJ E'! 1'": h (.;! r· o a d s tJpgradE!d i.n his d:ist:rict. So, I do not: kno1~1 IAJho l'lr'U> i:hH gr·eah.;!r' l'lE:1ed. I guess probabJ.y anyone tAJho l i. tJ ,,1 s o n a g I" d lJ C:! l r o a d h a s a n ('! t':' d and IA.Iants to have theJr roads 1.1 fl g r· a rl r,~ d r'l n c:l p i'll) (~! d .

A c 0 I I p l 0 cd IJJeeks ago jt was the people of fl .:-1 r· ·1·. l (,1 l: 1·. s I I 1:1 r· b o 1 1 r· d l't d F ~~ I" o ll ~'! , lAJ h o wanted to have their roads l.lfl9Y'r'1dC'!d dnd pi:~l)r:!d dS IAJ(c~JJ. ~io, Mr·. S p f~ a k E! r· , IAH:! a r· "! n o i~ copping out. ThE! hon. gE!nllE :! ITiiHl oh, Lhe government is copping ls not. please!d No . 2 2 out: and saying t.hc~t:. therE! E!nough rnonE:!y. I dill vr::!r'y and very proud of Lhe I~ ll. 211.

cap:i tal pr·ograrnrnE! l:hat WE:~ hdve l::h is Y!.':'dr l~r·i H1 in 1ny rh~p.u· · hnont, because it is in the neighbourhood of dppr·oxi .ln,:·li":E!ly ~~gr., rn.i.l.l..i.c)n, which is quite an extensive Cflp ·i.tr'll. progr'C:1l"r1111C:! ~i'l-0 rn:i.ll.:"i.on worth of IAJ<H'k being undc-:!lntakc::Hl by l·.:hc=! r:l~~pRrLrn(=!nt, by 1·hf~ Pro1J:inc:i.r:-11 Government, $40 million, an addittonr:-11. $35 mil.llon bo i ng undertaken Federal/Provi~cial cost--s hiH'<,~d f.ldditiondl lJ.IOY' k $7.5 Hl"'i. s y E!iH' I million and for· airst.r·:i.ps within l .. hH Provi.nce.

So we have a very, very extensive c ap :i I:. a l pr·og rarmnc-:>, ,) p pr·o x 'i rna 1: E! l. y $85 million which ·thE! construcUon industry :i.s crying for and is very pleased to accept. So, Mr. Speaker, T t•.ri.ll rc-:"!spond l:.o the petition from the han. gc;!ntlernan. T i::l.HI pl.!.':~aSI:'!d t:o t.akE! it and I will respond to his c o n s t "i. t 1 1 e n 1··. ~; i. n d u E! c o 1.1 r· s o . B 1 1 l·: certainly I cannot give him any undertaking todRy RS to wheLher thdt particular project is going l·.o be don(~ l·:hi~; yr,~<H'.

R11 ·l: i.l- ·i.s the-:! 1.o~1J s h and l:he cl <~! s :ir·E:~ of Lhe d c;! p r:ll" t. 111e n 1·. 1.: o h r:-llJ r,~ f~ lJ e I" y g r· <'l v Pl. road in the Province completed and p i'\lJ H d , <.Hl d h o p e f 1.11. l. y 1.: h i. s IAri. 1. 1. b ,,~ one~' among many. Orders of the Day DR. COLLINS: Mr. SpHakc-:>r, we ar·e put. in pJace a Economy Cormn-i.s:don. No. 4-, Bill. No . 16 . on Lhe B.il.l. l:o nE!W IntE!rnal T 1·1 a t. .1. 5 0 I'' d t.~ f' MR. SPEAKER: 11

An Act To ArnE!nd The Economy Comrn:i. ss·ion Act. 11 16 . hon. Oppos:i.l: . .i.on . l. ll/.') Apr-:i.l. ?./., l9U8 IntE!rnal Bi.l l No. of thE! lJo 1 X 1. MR. WELLS : ·rhank you, Mr. ~)p(,~(~kt::H'. flfo~ror·r-~ I p.i. ck 11p I~JhHr't:! J l~:!f~.: off, Mr. Speaker, I want to extend a p c;! r· s (Hl"' l. 1~1<'~ 1 c o HI C:! a n d a t~lf~ l. c om(~ on b€:1half of all !TH: !ITl~lE:~rs on Ud.s s".idE! of thP.

Hous~~. r:'lnd r a111 sur'<-'!, I s p E! a k f o r a 1 1 mE! rn b E! r s of t h E:· H o us <-:"! , 1~1 h on J (:~ x l: I'! n d a p i:·l r· t. i. c l.l] t:l r· weJ.come to the tWE!nty studE!nts f r· o rn 8 o o t h H i. g h S c h o o l. 1.•.1 h o a l" (,~ i. n the gallery together with th~ir l~c,~acher·s Mr. WiH'r'(:'l"l and Mr. Fl"Y. They are! very welcomE! and WE' are glad to see them here . SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hE!ar! ---- MR. WELLS : Mr.

Speaker, in dE!battng thj.s bL I ·1 Lo provide Fo r a change in the Intc;!rnal Economy Cor11rn:iss:.l.on and t.o irnplernHnt the proposal that was r'E!CommE!nded in the rE!por·t pr'E'PiH ' E!d f?. ,) r· l. "i. fo~ r· i. n 1:: h i s H o u ~; r'! a s L o l:: h ,,, manner :in IAJhich thE! si'llal":ies Fol" uu;!lr!bHrs nF t.hr-?. Hot1se, as rn~:!rnb ~ H·s of t:he HousE!··· il:. has not-.·.h:ing t·.o do 1~r · i 1-. h s ,:q 1 <H' i I' !~; n F 1rr:i n "i. s l: or· !> or· anyUdng ljke that I assumf:!, lAJhich ·i s a s ~~ p r:-1 r· a 1-. r,~ l.: h "i. n q b u I~ 1· h €:! i. r· salariE:~s as mernber·s of thE!

HousE• ·is t-·. o b r'! p d ~i . d i.Hl rl H1 "=' q 1.1 a n l: . .i. t. y , I t.l·1ought i L an oppolnt.unE! t:i.ITlE! t.o d l~ i:\ l. IAri . 1·.: h 1:: h t,1 q u E! s I· i o n l:. h a t: h a s been raised and commented upon b a c k ri\ n d f o r· t h a c r· o s s l: h <;! H o u s e , and in public media on a number of o c c a s i o n s , o f ~. : h c->. s a l. a r· y 1:: h a t I a m paid as Leader of the LiboraJ. Parl::y. I starto d to do it yesterday with great d i fficuJ.ty bc;!cause of constant intc;!r·r·upt.ion . BE!fOrE!

I star·t today I uwuJ.d say lo hon mc-:>rnbC::H'S, look, you can have an opportunity, and everybody i n t:.h·is Hou~;(-'! has dn oppor·t-.:un"il::y, t.o say what. you want afl·:E!Y'. That. is up 1 ~ q l:hr-~ :i.nd :itJ··idudl J'rl(;!lnb(>.r' ;·:,ls l.:o what the member wants to say. 1\Jo. ?.?. rnl?.~i ..

J just ask thE! rnernbers to do me l:he COUt'h!SY of al.l.OI.IILI'lg fn(;! to explain that whtch they have bE!en so c:rJ.t .icaJ. of for· so long. Just. do mE! that courtE!SY and thE!n say u.Jhat you IAJant about :Lt. aFter·. There is no restraint. AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudibl.t.;!). MR. WEI_ I_ S : ·s r-.:1 e , thE! h o n . rnE!I'ni:JE!r, r·ight atAJay, i.s ofF on h .i s 1.1 s u al. a p p r· o a c h b(:lCause ht' is of f:.ht.;! tr·ut.h . AN HON. MF.r"'B V: R: fr· :ightenE!d to dc,1ath l t i. s () b lJ -i. 0 u s . The truth to you . MR.

WElLS: N u IAI , j 1 1 s l: do 1 rw , .. _ h e c u 1 1 r· 1': e s 1J o f c: ,J.J.o1~ring TTIE ~ t.o E!Xp1ain :it. s ince y o 1.1 h"' v c;! b (,l E! n c r· i. 1:. t c "'l. of i i .... A s r s a i. d y <~ s 1: e r· d i.·1 y , T d i. d n o t s e !-: about to seek the leadership of l::hE:l L:i.bcH'c"l. Party dnd I hdv~:! not for a numbE!r of year, although I have->. bE!en asl<t;!(:f by a gr·c,lc:'ll~ rnany Liberals over· the past nurnbE!Y' of year·s to do so, s-Lmpl.y br:1causc->. I could not afford to abandon my business c:,J,nd gi.ve up 1ny practi.cc,l of laiAJ .

I could not afford to do "it and T IA.Joul.d nol: do i.+:. T could not get involved. Nurnet'OLIS lnE~rnb~n·s i.n t:h:i.s HoLtS!:! dt'e involved in various types of busi.nE!SS~lS •:·\nd C<.·1r· r·y on businc,ls~;c,ls, cons Lr·uct.:ion company bus i rlE!SSf~S, r:Hit:OHJOb -i. l f~ dealEH'Sh:i ps, stor'E:'S and r· (,l s l:. C\1.1 r 1:\tl 'l: s , p r· o p c;! I" t: y r· ~Hl t c'\ J. bus·.'i.rH:!SSE:lS, inst.tr'c1.ncE! businesses, Fi sh brokarmge busi.nesses, legml pr ·ac t:i c~:!S, rnE:ld:ica1 pr'i'..tct :ices and r· ~:! (·\ J. E:! s 1·: C:·\ l: r,l . T h ('! r· P d 1··· ('! ~~ lJ a r· i E~ 1·.

IJ of busJnesses tha t members carry on . L1126 Aprtl 22, 1988 Vol XL SSE!k the leadE!rship of thE! U .bE!raJ. Par· ty sc:dd to mc,l, 1 You c,'Hl car· ry on your law practiCE! 1 and I took l:: h<:l postt:ion t:hc:li: you ca.nnot. You cannot do justice to the pos:iti .on of bei.ng r.:t rne:1mber· of l.:hc'!

Housc"! ·­ you can if you arE! a rrtE!rrtbE!r of LhE• House and you have no other responsibility- but if you ar'E! a rnc,lirtber· of t.:h<,~ l · lou~;~=! and you iH'f'. a Cabinet MinistE!r, or yotJ ar'E! t.hE• 1.. ~~ a d e r o f 1:: h c->. 0 p p o s i. t. i. o n , o r· l:. h E• Pr'E!rnier, you cannot: cont.intH• to · be .. i.n,;oltJPd ·i. n e\ l.(;!gr\l. pr·r;\ct.-i,c(:;!. I think that that is wrong. I rr:laJ.izc~l others may takE >. a cl'iFFr;!r'r,'t'll : lJ'ir-;! 141 b11l :.

I do no ·t. l:hi.nk you can do justice to th e po s i ti on of being ct Cabine t Min i s~er, or t:.hE! lee:ld(:'r oF l:.he Oppo s Jt-:·.i.on, Ol" l·. he lr'!c:\dr ,l r' oF t··_ hf'! qotJHI"I'liTl t !nl:: r·=tnd still have an a ctive par t ic i pa t ion ..i. n "' pI" o r::- n s s -i. o n a l. p r· a c l:-. :i c <'> . You can be an or·d:inar·y rnE!rtlbE!r and clo i.i~ . J sr,~e nol·: hing a l:: a "ll wrong tA.Ji th that. MR . R. AYLWARD : The oth e r Liberal Leader d i d. MR. WELLS: No, he did not, not car·ry on c~n actlve practice at the same time . SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. WF:I .. I .. S : That is right.

Just. J.c,1t:. rne fintsh and t.hE!I'l you C.:-\11 trli'lkco! your· COIIItriOI'lt.s dFtE!Y'. I c h o o s t' a d ·j f f e r· E! n ·l: c o u r s E! . I cHirn i.t i:o f~IJI'!Y ' yborly "i. n l.h is H<)l.l~)(~ and r:~VE!r·y~JOdy :i.n this Pl"ovincE!, I lll'i 11. b r,l b r:d·1 o l. d r,Hl 1'. o 1: l'lf'! I. i.I:Hn' n l. Par·ty bC'!CdUSE:' they t.~.ril1 bE! pay:i. n~J 111c-~ a Si'\l .<'li"Y. R11t. ~:!V(H'ybody knotAJS I arn thE! Leader of LhE! l.:i.l:1f:!ra1 Pdr' l:y . Of COlli"~;<"' l din I:H:! ho l.d ('! n to the Li.beral Party. No. 22 Rll26

AN HON. MEMAER : ( T ,., c\ u d :i b 1 e ) . Mf~. I!IJFI .. I..S: -Thal: :i.s ·, .. jght . So [ IAI.i.l.l. bf'! bF.!hol.df'!rl. T hil\IJF.! r'\ l"esponsHl'5J-.ity and I IAJ:i.JJ have a loyr.~l.l::y to l:hr,~ l. i.br:H'r.\1. Pi:·\ri:y, rllr'lkf:' no m:isl::ai<E:~ about tt .. I tAdll br:1 pt'OifiOI·.:i.ng 1-.:hH i .nl:E!Y'I::1Si: MR. MORGAN: B1.1l: l::hr:~y dr'~! not p;:~yi.ng you, · t.hc:' L.-.i.beri'.ll P<H'ty. MR. SPEAKER: Order, pleaSE!! MR. WELLS: If ti·H~! m~:!mbor· 1.~1ould just. r'E!St:.r·ai.n hirrtSE!lf. MR. MORGAN: -Give thE!--fact.s . MR. WF.:LI ..

S : ·r t.u:i11 givt~ t.hE! facts :if hE! wiJ.J. be qu i.E! 1::, but. J r:-1111 go i. ng t:o g-i. IJ r.~ t.hPm, no ·t l: hc->. mE:! rnber·. Ml~. PATTF:RSOI\1: A point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPfAKFR: Or·dr:~r·, plei:\st:~! A p o -i. n t o F o r d c~ r· , t h r,1 h o n . , .. h "" tm~ m b <·H' for· P J a c e n t ·.i. a . MR. MORGAN: (Inaudible) Mount Scjo left your caucus. MR. SPEAKER: Order, plc,~as~~! A point of order . MR. PATTERSON : I arn not so much concerned about f.:he saJ.ar·y he;! i.s gc-?.1-/··.·i.ng, butt c.~tn concE:'rl'lE!d about t.uhat 'is happening L~ o 1: h e l:'i. b E! r· a l.

P a r· 1::. y i. n Newfoundland. What is going to l .. l I. 27 A p r· i. 1. ?. 2 , 1. 9 a a h H r p (:~ n L [) i:: h E:1 0 p p 0 s 'i. 1'.: i. 0 n lA) h ~=! n l:: h E! y have to go out and buy a J.eader? SOME HON. MFMBERS : Ordet"! Order! Mf~. PIHTFRSON: Now, t:he federal. party is bdnkr'l .lpt. ThPy cannol~ pay /.:he:=! i.r· btJJs. They are begging thE! banks l':o f:i rldl'lC:(c~ !':hom. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Ot'dt·H'! Or•dc-H'! MR. PATTERSON: They cannot pi!IY their· b·.:i.lls in l.:he district of Placentia East, yet i:h·i .s gNll::1c:HiliHl over· th~H'<->. r·ect':!'ives $50,000.

If he is in'I:E!restE!d in N <c' wf o u n d 1 a n d , t f he ·.:i. s a p a t. r· 'i o t: -L c Newfoundlander, he would contr.ibute $50,000 to the party, not take :i.t. MR. SPEAKER : T h ~~ r· E! :i. s n o po:-inl:: of or·cler . The hon. of thE' Opposi ·!:.:ion . MR . WEI..LS: M r . S p e a k e r , I h a v e a 1 J.nr:i. tE~ d t :L rn e to spc,~,·1k. Tf Lhr~ rn~:!rrtbt'!r'~; do no/:: have the courtesy to J.'isten, I llJ"i. l.l go out dnd T c:r:-\1'1 g·i.ve "i.l:. t:o thr::1 press. Thr::H'E! is no pt"oblE!I'TI. [ w-i.ll. rrtdke /.:he speech to the press and it will be far more off~~ci:.:-i. 'H~ . SOME HON.

MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. WELLS: I will. make the sp~~<'!Ch t.o t:h~:! press. I m<:1an, this is u t t:E•r nonSE!I'lS<;! . MR. PEACH : The press would not cover you . MR . MORGAN: No. 2?.

(lndudibJe). MR. WELLS: Really intelligent! Mr. Speaker•, I chose a chffer(~nt course. I chose to immediately abandon my law practtce that I had worked on for twenty-five years. AN l-ION. MEMBER: Immedl.atc.;!ly? MR. WELLS: Yes, irnlliE!d:i!'.l'l:E:~ly. You cannot cut i. 1: o v e r· n :i. g h 1:: . T. h H d 1:: o p h d s c,~ i 1~ dmun. My office IJJas cl.osed by 0 c to b c;! r· . fl ('!for· r,~ T. IAJi:u:; c,~ l. (~ c h·~ d to t h J s H o u s e my o f f J c e lo~.Ja !> c 1 o !> E! d , c1 n d ~; o 'i. l". s h o 1 11 d b r,~ .

T · r· H s :i. g rH:1 d j rum c,~ d tat c.;! 1 y as 1: h (~ D j rector and Chd.i .nii<:Hl of l:he flo,:·ll~d of N(~IAJfoundland L:.ight: i'.ll'ld Polo~.H,H' bc,~for'E:1 I r'Rn For· 1:he l.Pc:1c:l~1r'sh.i.p. T resjgned -.immediately. MR . PF.:ACH: You did not dtscl.ose all. your Lnt.er'E!Sts. MR. WELLS : Everything is disclosed. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. WELLS: All right, we will dE!a1 1.1d th that too. MR. PEACH: Why shouJ.d I dtsclose? MR. WELI..S: ' Everybody should disclose and I hdl) C:!. MR. PF:J\CH : TncJud-.ing yourself . MH.

TUI..I<: T h.~, 1: -i. s <:·l no t h .r;! r b o 1 n b s h C'! ll f o r h ·i. rn . Ll1.28 A p r· n . 2 2 , 1 9 a a Vo 'l. XI.. MR. WELLS: y E:~ s . MR. TULK: That is another bornbshE!ll . going to htt you. MR. WELJ.,_§: HE! is M r . S pea k e r , c 1 ear 1 y I 1.1.1 :iJ. ] be bE:1hol.den to thl.;!

Hous('! of Assernb1y and the Liberal Party and t.o nobody l~J.s1.;!. r.t i.s i::oo bad t.h61t the pi'~rty oppositE! 1JJr.1nts it l:.o " b~:! oi'.:hc;!r'I~J"i.SH for· 1-:.hc.,.i.J~ OI~Jn pol.Jl:.ical. purposes, but it is not so, and 1': h c,~ y c ;:. n r: l."' "i.111 -; t: 1.1 n 1: -i 1 '1:: h l'! y d r·t:! bJ.ue in the faCE! and :H wj ll not b c,~ s o . M 1J p (:1 r' 1: IJ h i:·l s n e u (i! r· s d "i. d so. It wiJ.l not make it so. MR. l'o10RGAN·: T h ''! p r· o v -i. n c; ··i c:-1 J. p ,,.t r· t 1J lAid s no 1:: paying you. SornE!OrH:• E'! l s e lAi d~'; p d lj -j. l'l g lj 0 I I . SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh!

MR. WELLS: The han. ITIE!I'fJber knoiAJS bEd .. t:er l'.:han to r'l-:ll.y on l·:hc,1 ~;l:or·y .i.n t.:hat: particular newspaper and hE! knows \}Jhy. You cannot do i l:. MR. MORGAN: Nor·rn Whelan, thrE!e months ago (-i.naucHbl.c:1). MR. WELLS: Never mind! Anybody who thinks, M r· . S p o ,., k H r· , 1·.: h 1.'\ 1·: J a rr 1 i. n p o "1. -L l:. o.i. c s for money had better think agaJn. SOMF liON. MF.MB F R~>: Oh, oh !. MR. WFLI, S: M y p t'! r· s o n d 1. :i. n c o 1r1 r,1 , I IAI"i. l l t: c,~ ll. aJ 1 I'.: he wor·ld. has bc:H~n cut :l.n h.:-1lr by J"r,1;,1son of got:t: ·ing i.ntJol.ued :in polit::ics.

So I d·id not do :i.t. f'or' lliCHJf:'y. r"ldlui! no nl:'i.Si:.r:\ke:.> ,·:•lbout. i t: . I h a v e n o t: b ~'· o n c l a j . ITI i n g t:. o No. 22 R:ll/.B

be a rtli:H'tyln, but it is offensive a n d u p s e t 1: i. n g L o h e a r· UH:1 s ·i. ll. y , stupid, unfair, unfounded remarks of t.:h(-'! lfl(,1fllb<,H'S oppos 'l t.0.1 wh~Hl 1-.·.h•~' t-. :i.s, j n fac ·l, LhE! Cclse! I did not g~~ 1: i.n Lo pol.-i 1: i cs t-. o g{"d: 1nonoy out of i t ! T got into politics to c: o n t: r· i. b u I . (:! . Mr~. MORGAN: Oul: o ·f your OIAII1 p•:·ll"f:Y you <'lrr:1 ·l- aid n g :U . (I n au d :i. b l e ) . MR. WELLS : Mt·. SpE:1Clk(H', IAJould yolJ please narno i".hE:1 hon. liH~Ini:HH' for· Bonr•ll) i.!; l:a South (Mr.

Morgan) and have him r'GHTIOVE~d frorn so t.:hai: thG:1 A~;sfmlbl.y can conduct its business in an or·d(·H'1Y manner. MR. MORC~BN: You will never muzzle Morgan . MR. SPEAKER_(GrE!E!ni.Q9..) : Or·der, plr:1ase! SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE:1ar, h(,1ar·! Mr~. LOW~: Mr . Speaker, a point of order . MR. MORGAN: You tried two d~ys cl99 · Mr~. · LONG: On a poJnt of order, Mr . Speaker. MR. SPFAI<ER: A po i n i': of o r·d r,H', 1.: I'H"' ho n . 1-!·w member for St. John's East. MR. LONG: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. J u s t. a ~J e r· y b r· ·i (-'! f p o i. n l:. of o r· d (;! r· . To say that for our

part IAIE! are quite will ·ing to sit and allow the LE!ader· of the! Official Opposition ( M r· . We l. 1

s) l:: o tn a k e lri. s s p ~H,1 c h o n what we believe are very important issues. We appreciate Lhe 1..1129 April 22, 1988 Vo] XL attempts by the leader to have the Speaker keep the members on the government side silent and show SOIIIf~ COIJY'i":F.!S)} i:·lnd r'l'!Sp(-'!Ct.: ·For• c:-lny TTIE!ITibE!r of t:.hE! HOUSE! making a S p f) (,1 C h , W r,1 , f 0 r' () I I r• p i':l Y' i':. , IAI.i -, J continue lo s:it. a11.or.~J thE! Lead("!r' h·i s fuJ.l. L"i 111r-:!. DR. COLLINS : ro i·hd!: po·i .nl: of Ml" . SpeakE!r. MR.

SPF.:AK[R: -·-------To l. hat poi n t of or d (:'Y' , t. h E! h o n . the Ministor of Hecll.th. DR. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker, I do not t:h:i.nk thE! C h a i. r· rHH~ d s d n y l. e c t 1.1 r· c:! s f 1n o rn t: ~H"' hon.· the THE!TIIbE!r for Sl:. John's Easl: (Mr·. l .. ong) on how conduct the bus:i.nE!SS of thE! HouSE!. The hon. rn c:! 1r1 b t~ r· s h o u l. d p c:-1 y m o ,. · u r· e s p ('! c t. to t hE! C hat r . ThE! C h a i r k n OIAI s IAJ l·w 11 t o c r:-1. ll. o r d l:'! r· a n d 1.o~1 h c;! n h ~=! f' o r.;! 1 s that pE!ople are! out: of ordE!r. WE! dE:1pend on Yo1.1r' Honour·' s j udgtn~>.nt .. MR.

SPEAKER: To \'. h t:t t: p o ·i n t· of or· d ~>. r· . The r· ("! i. s no point of ord(,1r, but I tAJouJ.d ask f'l.l.l HIA wl:w r· s i: o pl.(,' d s ~~ b (;! t'l ~' q 1.1 ::iJ! 1·.: a!> possib1E! so that IAJO CEHl hr;!<H' IJ.Jhor,1l.Jfi!l" · i.~; SPI'!dk i.ng, IAJhl'i!i:.h('!l" i.l·:. bP the Opposition or government lflf~inbr'!r's. T 1: -i ~; l)f!Y'Y d iFf i.cu~ll'. l.·.o hE:1ar· the pE!rson spE!aking whE!I'l you i:H' f:1 h fi! r'H' 'i. n g () l.: I'H'! r· ill(~ rn b H r· ~; s i n 9 ..i. 1'1 CJ out ordE!r. If thE!I"E! i.s go:ing l .. o b r,1 o r· d ~'! r· c i'l l. l.

E:' d , r • AI i. 'I '1. c a 1. l. ordE!In, . ask for or·der and I w.i.Jl d(-)lllr:~nd or·dr,!r. ThE! han. the of Opposi.l·. 'Lon . r:1.[L WELLS: T h a n I< y o u , M r· . S f.H:~ a I< E! r . I say cl9i!l i. 11 ' Mr·. SpG'!i:~ kG~ r·, dnybody IAihO suggests for a rnonE!Y that I got:. i.nvol.u(;!d i.n po l.J 1:: i c ~; b~:! c dlJ s p No . 2 2 R11.29

of ~~XP<'!Crr~d fi.nr?lnci .r:d. rel~liH'dS Ct'lrl clearly see otherwise. Just the opposi. t.~~ has, J.n fact-., occur-rt,~d . [ t i. s d i. f f i. Cll 11·.: t: () d c c ('! p l: UH~ l. i. (~ s and aspe,r·s'ions and thE! srnE,ars and the d i stortions for pol.i.ti.cal. p u r· p o s e s . T h e r e IJ.Ii 1 ] bE! t h i n g s I IAI i. l. J. ~l<.;t V (.;! l: 0 d 0 , .I l~.l i.l l. l. e t h 0 n . members know. I can no longer afford to operate dnd rnai.rll : a i.n rny sailboat. It is up for sale. .That "i. s a fact. It ·i.s a s --i.rnple fact! I am not: pl.c,~ad i.ng for· rner·cy, l:.hd 1:: :i.s my probl~HTI.

I have no probl E!ITI IJJi.t.h i.t! Rut- t.o s"i.r.: .~nd ht-:~dr' th(-:~ aspers· .ions of those han. membe!rS l n t h o ~; H c i. r· c 1 1 rn s 1-:. a n c c;, s i s offc->.nsoivc-:~ by any standar·d, Ml". Spt~akc'r . !30MF 1-101\J. MF.Mf.l F w:;: H E! r-.tr· , h E! a r· ! MR. Wf.LLS: r t-: ·i s p i'1 r -1.: j_ c 1 J l. r:-1 r· y :i 1 n p o s s ·:i. b l. r-:' l: o i:lccep-1: :it: fr·om thE! m~:~mbc,~r·s of t.he Progress iva Conservative Party IAihose lco!iHl(-:H' had been paid a sal.i:tr'Y by h i.s prH' t.y for IJ~~ars . W~=' arE! not quar·r·e] ling with it . HE! perfor·1ns a serv i.e(-:~ for· h Ls pr:~r·ty.

I haVE! no pr·oblem IAdth that. I p e r· f o r· m a s e r v i. c e F o r· 1.·. h <->. L :i b E! r· a l Party as well as a service I perfor·rn -as a M. H. A and Lc->.ader of the Opposition. I perform a tremendous ser·u'i.ce for· l.: he L"i.ber·al Party. And I put in more than E! ·i.ght hour·s a ddy for· the->. Libc;,r·al. Party. SOME HON. MFMB E R:3: HE!iH', hE,ar·! MR. MORGAN: You i:'l.l"<->. nol: gc,1tting many I"E!SUlts for .i. L though. MR. PATTU~~>ON : (Inaudible) sewer pipe . 1 .. 11.30 A p d . 1 ?. ?. , 1 9 a a Vol. XL MR. Wfi ..

LS : If it is all right for the PC P <.·1 Y' i: 1J 1.: 0 p i:·llj 1·: h f~ P r• ~~HI . i. t'! I" r:~ ~; a l. a r· \j , why is it not all right for l:hE• 1._ i. b (::~ r• r:-\ 1. P d r• i : y r: 0 pi:-\ IJ t. h ~~ -j_ r 1 (-;! d cJ H r? MR. MORGAN:. (Inaudibie) . MR. WELLS: 0 k a IJ , IAH->. I~ I 'i. l l amounts later . IAri. [:. h thE! But I assumE! thE!Y haVE! no quarrE<l IAI i. t h -1:: h l.;! p C p i:H' t: \j pay J rl 9 -j_ [:. S l.tH:\d(->.r, UH~ PI"<,Hn i.er·, a scd.iH'Y. MR. MORGAN : But t.hE! Party :ls not. pay:.i .ng you.

I!IJ r-~ h i'1 tJ (~ <.·\ J r· ~~ d d iJ ~=~ d ·i d l:-. h r.'\ 1:. o v t'> r· d n cl over. MR . WELLS : 1\]n\Jf'!r' lflind l·. h;:·ll·, '[ 1:'\S S IIlfiE! i::h!::1\j agr·e:~e 1.u:J th thclt. OpE!r'c~t·:i.ng on 1-:hr:·l't-: d S SUTIIpi :"i.o n, !:h e n f i:Fti<<'! i[: th~~y have no quar·r·E:~l IAiit:h LhE! 1 .. i.I:HH' r.tl P c:~ I" l: 1J p d y i n g "i. 1:. ~ ; 1. e 6l cl e r· a salar·y . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. WELLS : What they appear to be quarrelling about i.s l:.he arn6unl-.: . AN HON. MEMBER : No. MR. W-ELLS : T h (,~ y a r• o q u a r' r· ~~ 1. -, i. n g about amount . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR.

WEI.I.3: Nobody can a c cE!pl': Lhc1t:. cr··l t-.-. -.lc:.~ . ~;m ·i. n h d v ·i n g c-1 n y d H g r· e E'' o F C r· (,H~ :i b i 1 '.i t y , M I" . S p E! d k E! r· , 5 0 ] 0 n g <'l.s ·Uwy s ·i.i: dl'lci ;:·lC:C<'!pi l :·.hr ~ pi:'tiJifl<''nt-. to thE=~ Pr'E!fTI:'tC:'Y' of a salar·y. No. /.?. 1\11.30 ..

Nobody accepts it as having any credJbi.l -i.ty, nor· should tht:Jy. The only difference is amount. That i.s 1.1.Jhat: they ar·r:~ quar·r·ell.tng ,,.d t h . 0 r· as they s a y , IAJ h o i s payi.ng 'i.i ... ? Well., 1 IAJi.l.l. l:t;!l.l l.hc,~rn IAI h o :i s p a y i n g i t : No t t h E! p ~~ o p 1 e 1: h tc~ y iH' (:~ s (:\ y i. n g i. s p (:\ y :i. n 9 i. 1: I b 1.1 t: the hundreds and hundreds of '1:: h o us <.·1 n c:l s of p c.~ o pl. E! lA I h o c: on t: r· i b 11 L P to th~~ I :i beri!tl Par·ty: That is IAJho -j s FH·1 y i n g ·i. I. ! SOME HON. MEMBERS : H e d I" , h ~:!i'H' ! MR. WElLS: Th~= !y do nol~ l.

"i. k E'! 1·.: h d i:. ! T h (c~ lj d 0 not IAJant :it. to be that IAJay. They lA I a n i:. t: o I:H:~ able to say Lwo or tiH·e~~ or four people. MR. MORC;AN: "-------·---Th r'E! e promi nE! nt Liberals pay.ing you. MR. SPEAKER: Or·der, please! SOME HON . MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: OrdC:H', pJ.c-::ase! Could or·d~:~r, ploase! MR. WELLS: ThiHlk you, Mr. !)fH~r·1k(;!r . MR. MORGAN: Do not dC:~Cr·d.IH.;! i: hc,, Hous(~ . MR. SPFAI<U?: 1 am go:ing to ask t.hE! mc;!rnbEH'S rno I" e on my l. ~ : ! f t 1·: o pl.~:! r:<1 s ('! or·del". Thc-:~ hon. the of Oppos i. t~"i.on . MR. WELLS : Thank you, Mr .

Speaker . a r'E! hav c~~ once k 0 (~ p the U.l31 Apr·.i.l . 22, 1988 Vol. XI.. The U bE!ra] Party is paying rnE! a !>al.;u·y. 1 arn happy to acCE!pt it. I havE! no con c E! r n IAJ-.i. t h :i. t. . I 'l:. .is E! n t: Ll" <-'! l. y p r o p <.;! r· . I 1.: tAkl s a n n o u n c E.~ d beforehand . It was approved by 1·.: h ~~ I_ :i. b c:! r· •~1 l. Par· 1·: y .i. n con v E! n l:. ion by E!lE!ct:ing rrtE! as i.ts lE!ader in an OV<:H'IAI~Hc1 l.HI i ng lflo:HHHH'. [ pr• e sUinE! the hundreds and hundreds or U1 o 1.1 s d I'H:I ,, of c o n t:r· :i. b u I ~ o r· s 1:. o 1: h <::' P. C.

Party a1"<::~ s:imi1al"ly pr·ov:i.d::i . n~~ 1:h(,~ f11nds IAI·i.i:h IAJh··ich LhE! par··l·:y pays its lc~~adE!r'. I haVE! no caus~=· t 0 1-. h i. 1'1 k 0 t: h C.~ I"I~J:i ~; !'! , d 1'1 d [ IAIO l.l l d not suggest otherw'.i.SE!. If I held Cr:·) II sf'! T lfl:'i g 11'1: I b II t T h r:·) l)f'! n 0 c a l.l ~; ('! to. suggE:~St othE:H'IAJ:i SE!. And thoSE! gc~ni: ' lr: !lllf'!l'l opposi.l:r=! hr:·1Vf:! no Ct:111se to suggest otherwise as far a s t he I. i. b c,1 r d l. Par· t·. y i. s c <Hl c <.;! r· ned . SOME HON . MEMBERS : Hc'!i:H', hE~ar! MR.

PEACH: (Inaudible) that is why you are 1-.alk.i.ng about 'i. t. t.odr:'ly. MR. SPEAKER: 0 r· d r->. r , p l. e a s e ! MR. WELLS : No, r. drn d!·~dl -i. ng that have been MR. MORGAN : IAJ"i. [: h raised l .. h<"' i.ssues IJ.J'.:l. th thE! ('i.naud·iblf~ ) sr:~1di"Y l.E!c'.ldE'!f' , MR. WELLS: T 1: i. s d 1 so ·i.1np o s s .i. b 1 c.~ t: o a. c: c e p 1·: "i. 1:. f r· o r11 l: h E! N D P , M I" .

S p E! a k e r , t o t a 11 y -:i,l fl p () S S i, b 1 fc\ I r:) J'l d 1:: h ('! d () LJ b l. (~~ standard they set up when last :'lpri.ng dnd 1dsl-:. :~a~l1 T hedl"d l::he Leader of the NDP Party c:o1npld i. n ·i. ng p1.1bJ.·icl.y on t·. f:!l<=:~v i.s ion about. hoLAJ underpaid hE! , ... ,as. HE! lAid s n ~~ d r• l. y b r· o I< c-:~ . H <'! !Alas Facing possible bankruptcy, and those IAier·e h i. ~; IAiords . Then I hE!ard l1im say, Mr· . Speaker, No. ?2 R 113 1. ...

t h ~~ r· c-:! a J p r· o b J e m :i s t h E:~ b u r· d e n s I hr'llJ c,~ i'\ s l c,~dcl C'!r' oF I: he,~ pr'll"LY. And hE:~ appJnovc,~s :i L by nodd:i.ng today. The·~ Y'l,~<:1l pr·obl1:!111 ·is I hi·Wf'! l:o d:ischarge thosE:~ bur·dens as thE:~ leclder of the party. Wc,~ll., doe!> hH not l::hi.nk T hr:1vc,~ l':o d:ischargr:~ burdens as leadE!Y' of the party? The Premier has to dischargE:~ burdens as the leader of i:he party. Those-:! l:.t.~Jo par·t i.c->.s choose to pay their leaders d i r· c~ c t 1 y .

The h on . m ~~ rn be r· ·f o r• Men:ihE!k says, 'But my p'arty is a p o o r· p cH' t. y , s o , L h c->. r· e f o r c~ , t h e governm~Hlt should pay. 1 That is l:. h e p o s t t "i. o n h e c h o s 1:~ , g o v e nun t:.Hl 1:. should pay me a salary as Leader of tht~ NOP Pc:1r't:y. Thd 1.: Js his pos.i.t.:ion. SOME HON. MFMBfRS: Oh, oh! MR. ~3PF.I)KER: Oi"cler·, please! MR. WELLS: Mr. Sj.'Hc'dkc;!r', T r'1111 nol". fli"Hfl<'lr'ed to face bc:tnki"Uptcy. I 1-:liTI not. p r· f~ p r~H' (C~ d l: 0 p u 1·. In y my ~) c,~ l. f' L n d d:iff:ic:uJ t pos:itoi.on.

I 1-:lm pr·r:~par·ed l·:o r·~?.di!Ce fiiY 1tfe~;1-.ylc,~ .:u1d l.:r:~kr,~ o t h N' c u L s , y e s . B u t. I lAd 11 n o t p l. a c e lfl y fa m i. 1 y i. n d i f f i. c u 1 1:. y o r· jeopard:ize their security to satisfy political vultures. MR. MORGAN: $12 5, 000 a y E! a r ! MR. WEI .. LS: The MHA for Bonavista South (Mr. Mo r· g an) can r· u n h -L s bus J. n (->. s sf'! s d n d manage his pr·opertiE:1S. and take IAihab>.ver pr·oftt. he l.J. kc->.s. MR. MORGAN: (lnaud:ib]('!) y (~ c:l r , h (,~ r:-1 tJ y MR. WEI.l.~3: J :i. v (,~ ~>Luff. on I. 1 :132 Apl":i] 22, 1988 $1.25,000 a Vol XL.

The MHA for Bonavista South r·c,~fc,~r·r·rc!d l'.o LhH car· dll.OIAJdnCc'! l :: h~=! Leader· of thE:' Oppos:i.t.:ion get.s. I hr:1d bnf~n g · i.IJt'~n l :. hr~ i.rnpr·ession earlier that the Leader of the 0 p p o s i. t: 'i o n h .•u:l "' c iH' a v a i. J. a b l C:! L u him. The! fact is, Mr. Speai<E!r, therE! is a car· ;:w;'dl.,•1bl.r:~. bul· I a1n t:old by the department, and Mr. Speaker w i. l.l. know, not your·sc-:1l.F, but the SpE!akr:1r knOIAJS, I have t.AJrit.LE!n ·r:o . h i. rn a b o u 1: 1:-. h e rna t t: E! r .

T h (-;o rn c;! d :i. a have raised it with me 1-lnd that is IAI h i'l t t' (! r,.{ l. l. y C d l.l S E! d rr1 (;! t 0 g 0 d 1'1 d check to be honest. Some weeks ;::~ g o T h ;:·1 d a c i:\ ll f' r· o 1 n d 111 e rn b n I" o f thE! CBC asking fTIE! about the usE• of c i"' r· s . T to l. d ~d 111 I h ,:-u:l a car: , I u n d e r s t:. o o d a t L h a t t -:ln1 ~:! , o n t h r::• sarno bd!;is as flli .n -isi" C:!I''S hc:1d c1 car·, l:hat a car· IAJc\s rnc<tdr:• _ ava:U .ab1E:• to Lhc'! lodc:l(~l" oF LhP Oppn~;i.l:· . .i.un.

EXCE!pt:., IAJhE!I1 I chE•ckE•d 1:-.hr:• gu'i..dcc!linr,~s T Fi.nd T Ci:tnnol·: US!:'' ·.i t . I c h C'! c k e d tAri t h t l1 r::• r:l C'!J:l d r· t: rllf:Hl h~ l 0 r F i c ·L:·l l 5 c () n c I::! r· n e cl ' o r r· a t h e r· I h "' d a rn E! rn b E! r· o f 1·: h E· CdltCIIS chrc'CI< f cJi.d nol.: l:alk ~ • U t.hE!ITI cl:ir~'ct1y and I found t··.hal:. L h r,~ r· H -L s d ~; (c~ I· u f q 1.1 .i d !'! l i n !'! ~; r 0 r· a.J.J. governrn(,Hll:al. car·s. I do not ~11:·1 tH~ L h e 111 IAri. 1:. h 1 n e . r 101 rn s o r· r· y , I do not have thern with me.

G f'! n e r· a ll y , t: h c,~ y c d n o n l y b e:~ 1.1 s r=~ d for direct governmental purposes and thr:~y rnust b<'! pC1r'kE!d ovt:.>rn] .iJht in thE! government parking 1ol~. M 'i. n "i. s L f:! r· s c a n n o t. d r· i v (:' h o rn e IAI:i 1:. h them. SOME HON. MEMBERS·: Oh, oh! MR. WELLS: J u s 1-. l. r=! t·. IIH'! F i. n ·i ~; h say'ing notAl. That of F·i. c i.d l t-.o ld lflf~ . ~)OMF l-ION . MF.MB E f~S : Oh, oh! No. 22 I~Jhi'l t. T i.s what: arn t: hE• R 1.132

MR. WELI..S: Just wait and you will hear the rest of tt. That t s what the official told me or advised, at a n y r a t: e , 1: h t:'l t t. h C:1 g u L d t.;! l. .i. rH:1 s appLied to ministers as IA.IE!ll, that t.hose:1 guoi.deli.nes apply l~o m :i. n i s t e r· ' s c a r s , a n d we IJJ e r e <.'lsstu•ed of thai· .. ~:io T t.~wot.r,1 Mr·. ~3FH~di<E!r t;lbou~. J do not knol<~l, tc,1n days or· tiAJO tAJe<,d<s ,., go , "' n d '" s k c'!C1 h oi.m i. f ··i. n F ,~ c t: t h ,,, l: was tht.=:! cas ·<-?..

BE>.CCIUSE:1 jf :it is, ·i. 1-. c r:-1 n no 1- b r,1 1.1 s n d d n d 1- h r~ nd n:i s te I"' s !; hould not b<,' us t ng 1·: h ~=! i. r· c d r· s . Flu I: , I h .:-\ tJ r'! 1- o s a y that Hri'.lt seems to be to uttE:H·J.y 1.1 n r· ~~ d s o n a b 1 f:1 • No b o d 1J c a n s "' 1J 1: h a i: rn:in:isi:ers have t:.1 C<'.ll" avail.able to 1":. h e 111 F o I" 1:. h E! g r,1 n E! r· ;:·\ l. 1.1 s ~~ "i. f l"lr f'! 1J cannot uso :i. L. If thE!Y haVE! to par·k ·i.l·: ht,'l"~'! dt. Conrc'!dt::1r·aL. i. on B u t 1 eLi. n g . I Ltd 11 n E!

V e Y' u s E! t h a t. car if I got to follow those guidelines because there is no s tHl s t'! t o i. t . I c o u 1. d d r· ··i. LJ e F r· o m here to the CBC maybe and the fact "'i.s , I have nevr-:1r· used. I have never driven :it outsidE:' the city limits. I have driven i t back and for·th to l:he CBC or to somE! other place i:h;:<~t T. havt~ had logo, and not,.JherE:1 E!lse. I t: · i. s par· k e d t. her· C:1 , e1 n d u n 1: :i. l. t·. h C'! mattE:1r ts clear'E!d up, I do not h d v E~ a c d r· r•\ v H i l. d b 1. P. , i'\ n d l do n o -1: have a car available.

T r:l o no 1: s u 9 9 (;1 st 1··. hi'\ t 1r1 i_ n i. s l·: r'! r· s should hiii.VE' th<;! k:ind oF acu1ss to t:hrcdi" r:;'\r'S Hldl : UH'!Y do hi'ltJP. r: j tj ~; t ~; a y t hat t f l·: h E:1 C C'll:l ·J rH~ t Di. r·nci~ i tJr'! ~;ays " ·l:hc·)St-:1 911:-i.dr:!l·i nPs apply to rn:"i.rd stE!r'S car·s," as t.:hE! () f f .i. C f r'\ l. h r::l S t·. 0 l. d 1.1 S , 1": ~H'! 1"1 I~J H cannot usc,1 :1. ·1:. But:. thr.lt. should b<,1 cl OcH'Pd. C drn s t··.t"l.l dlAJd i. L-i. nq <~ r· e p J y From t lw S pea k e r . So , t h t:l t ts not i'\Vailable. Th<~n t:he For· aonav Ls t:a L1.133 April 22, 1988 VoJ.

XL South mentioned l":he Opposition expense allowance. Now that has to cover· all. mi. sudliHJeous expenses of the Opposition offices, subscri.pti.ons to newspapers, subscriptions to any rna g "' z i. n e s t.: h ~' t-. i:\ 1" t,' s u b s c r· i b ~?. cl l: o , Opposition office travel ofF i.c :i.Rl. tr'dVE!l., and a var·:il'!"l::IJ of other expE!I'ISE!S :in COI'li1E!Cl:::i.On IAJi.t.h t h o r· 1.1 n n ··i. n g o F I : h C:! o F F · i. c C'! n o 1:". specificaJ.ly provided for. L <-?. t rn E! t e 1 1 · y o u M r· . S p E:• a k EH' , a n cl 1": c~ l. J. 1·. h ·i s P r o tJ i 1'1 c lo!

L h r,1 lJ a !> t ~' u 1 n thi'.tt: t:.he hon. rnE:!rni:JE!r for Bonf.lvista Soui:h is 1-.i'llk ·-Lng r·\bor.rl-. Jl·· i.s $800 per month - ~9MF HON....:.. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! Mr?. WELI..S : -for the entire official 0 p p o s i. 1··. i. o n , F o r· t. h t-'! i. r' (,1 x p (;! n s e s . It woul.d not pay the Premier's hot·.:~~l bill For· one;! night . . SOME HON . MEMBERS : HE!ar, hE!ar! MR. MORGAN: M r· . ~3 p c,1 a k t'! r· , r01 p o i. n t o F o r-c:l Ei! r . MR. SPEAKER (GrE!en"ing): A p o ··i n 1:: o f o r· d ~~ r· , 1:: h E'' h o n . member for Bonavista South r"lcH'gdn) . MR. MORGAN: l".:hEo! (Mr".

A poinl · of Oi"clc· ~r Mt" . SpE~i>1kC'!I". Th::i.s debatE! ::is a ver·y j mpol" LcHlt onr,~ dnrl r~JC'r dr·n 1: .• ~·11 k:-i n(~ r:-1bor.rl:: l·.: hc'• bE~nef:i. l:s to mE!ITibE·r·s.

Il·:. is v~:!r ' y ··i n1po r' 1· . .:-\ n l". nc.) 1: l":o 1r1:i. s lt;!dd 1:: h() HousE! unintent:lonal.Jy because the bc·~ n ~~ · fi I· ·~ ; l·: o rnf'!fllbe r· s d nd 1".: h P i. r· offoicE:1S is much gr'E•ater l'lE!E!d t.hcHl ~r, B 0 0 .:·\ 111 o n 1": h I:J 01 c '" u s (i! e a c h rn (~ rn I:H>.r' of the Oppos :it.ion ·:i.s using a sHr·v :i C(i! of b<-?. i.ng abl (.;! to hc.~VC'' <'-Ill his constituents call. their ofFi.ces col.lt1ct. fr·om dl.l OVl':!r' thE! No. 22 R1133

Pr'O'J i.nce, l':hi:l L t:Oiflf'lS •'llonc·~ t:o wor·c,~ t heal $800 a rno n l:h. MR. Tl.ILI< : [I.JE!t'Y lilf~lllb8t' hr.1S l:hr.\·1:. MR. SPFAI<F.R (Mr·. Crc:HHdny) : To t hcd'. po:int of ordc,H', therE! is no po ·i.ni: of ordt-:!r. Th<->. hon. I:: he oF 1'. ht~ OpposiUon . ~~~. WF.:I.L,§: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR, PATTERSON: A point of order. MR. SPEAKER: Order·, pl eaSEl! A point of order, Hll->. hon. Uw merni:HcH' Fot· PJ.act~nt i.r.~. MR. PATTF.:RSON: With r·eferc~ncE! to l'.he cost: of the Pr·ern·i er· 1 s ho hd r·oows I•JhHn J·w tn3.uels, T under·stand t:.hi:d ..

LE!i~der o f I· h e 0 p p o s i. l: i. o n h a s complimentary tickets for hotels dnd dirl·i nee'S, fr•ec,,, .:-~nd T I•JOnc'klY' oi f he IAIOl.ll d COn'lfll(~l1t 01'1 that and not-. rni s J. c-:~dd t. he Hou s 0. IAJhH n I'H'' doc-:, s . MR. SPF.AI<ER: To tha ·t point of CH'dE:'r, l:her·e is no po i nt of order. ThE~ hon. t.:he of .l:.ht:! Opposition . MR. WELLS : As a matter of fact I will shortly de a 1 wit. h i:. hat . M r .

S p e a k c.:, r• , IJJ h E! n UH,~ Co r rH?.t' El r· o o k Chambe1r of Commerce invites me to COITIC'l l:.o Cor'nE!t' Br·ook l::o spt~ak t.o the CharllbE!r, that is a public r· e s pons ·i. b .i l. J t y . :r t. ·i_ s for· t: h c->. ouE:H'al.l bE:~st·. i.nterE,st.s of this Pr·ouinC('! to hc,~dt' the ol'.:hc:,r· s:-i.rlt~. l.:o . h<''ar· the ot:.hE~r po'.i.nt:. of utotAJ. Whc->.n T. dHI Jn'J i . l':c,~d l~o go l·.:o St. I. J 131] Apr··i] 22, 1988 Vol XL. .. Anl:hony by l:hH Roh-H'Y Club l:o addl"<->.ss them on public i.ssue, l:hat ·i. s d p1.1blic t'f~spons'i.bJ . l " i . l·.y.

Wh~~n the n1:inist.E:~rs ar·E, inu:iLod to do thai·, i . hr,~ <]OIJ<'lf'nlnc,~ nl-. pdys f:.hc,,ir' expenses. Ours has to come out of 1.: h <'' 1i B 00 <~ rno n t: h ! T h.:-~ 1'. t s u 1:: l:: t;! r· l y unreasonr.J.bl.e! There :is no trauell:i.ng r:~xpE!nSEl i:\ccount for· 1::ht-:! l. <'li:,ld<:'t' of l::hc,~ Opposition, other than that $800 a 1110 n 1·: h. MR. MORGAN : Maybe it should be paid by Lhe tax p a y e r' s . MR. WELLS: I r:~gr'OE! i.1:: should b(.:, paid by thE' taxpayers, but the taxpayers IAJ:.i.D not p;:·lY i.t.

T'ht~ Pr·c->.I'TI.if!r' tAJ-i.l.J. not l E! t t h CiWI, 0 r t: 11 El 9 0 U El r 11 ITIE! 1'1 t IA.I j JJ not lH~ t:hHrn, <'lnd l" hdr i~; IAlr'onq . I . f'' l". u s h i:l 'J f'' ~; o 1 n r,~ s El n s u o f Fa .i r· n f! s s in this Pl~ouinCE!, and J.et us c r r,, "'+: e d s "i. ·1". 1.1 a 1". .i.

c) n 1~1 h r'! r· l:' 1:. h P o 1·: h (;! r' point of view can be heard with I"C.:'d S CHldbl.e fi'l ci_ 'I i i:y . I ,:! i II S l'lOIAJ d J.ITI:i n ish 'it:., and 1 (• t us pI" e 'J E• n l .. Lhr·) pc,~opl.c,~ fr"orn I·H~dl" i ng. Tht-:1 people of this Province are not f o o l f'! rl b y t h i s . T ~w y r· o c o g n i z c,~ honesty and frankness. They are no I: go ·i ng l:o be nr:i sgu i.dc,,cJ by people who, for their own pol.i.t.i .cdJ. IIIOf.:.i.lJ(~, IAliHll:". i::O Cc\St. another light on it. fhe cl.t~ar· thing -is, Mr·.

Spe~:ll<er, the Progre,ssjue Conse,ruattue' Party is in r:l pani.c aL t.hc:?. rnornc::'nt. as a result of the' groJAith of LhE! L'i. b e r· r.~ J. P a r· t: y - SOMF.: HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. WELLS : <:Hid l: hP gi"OI~JI::h oF i:l'lf '! SLipport for the Liberal. party. No. 22 Rll34

They will say ctnything they feel like in or·der to di.ver·t atte!ntion atAidY fr·om !:he:~ r•e~;1l i.ssues, Fr·om thedr gross failures in the field o f h e a 1. t h , f o r· c-?. x a 1r1 p 1 e . H o s p i. t. al. beds havE:~ i:o be! closed. There i.s a nursi.ng shortage created as cl result of governmental financial po1iciE:1S and thc-?.re .ts a dc.:.sperah.:. si.tuat:ion in tE!rms of the provlsion of adequate hospltal. equipment throughout this Pr•otJ .i.ncE=1, not: j11st: one or· ! :·. 1~10 hospjte~]s. They hav~~ t:o accotmt for thc:1t'.. ThE~ y h a v c;! L o "-' n stAler· to the pub J :i c , Mr.

Spoakor, For !he great ch~;par· ·ity thc,1y hi-Hie Cl"~~r.1ted .in ~~ d II C c:\ 1:: i 0 tl - 1~J1 · 1 f:1 r f ~ fH~ 0 pl. (,1 ·j l'l r II Y' i.~ l. at"E:!CIS crf Nc,1tAJfound1and get, ·in sorrlo c .:-~ s e s , h"' l F o f 1~1 h i'1 I: ·i s p"' i d 1 .. o ~; c; h o o J s ·.i n u t" b a n a r E! a s o n a p E! r· p tl pi. J. b cl S j S , ,. hE! '!J IAJ"i.l l. h C•\ V 0 1:.0 iHlStA.Jc,1r for· that:. T h c,1 y a r· c,1 go ·L n g to havE! 1·: o an s IAIB r· for the destruction of the economy of t. h J s Pro v inc c-?. d n d For 1· . h r.-:1 dE!St.ruct.:ion of rural NetA.Jfoundland, M r .

S p r.-:~ a 1«.:> r· , F o r d r· i. v "i. n g t h E! people out of this ProvinCE!. And t.hey havE:1 dr:i .ven l:h<WS1Hlds ot.ll:-. of this Province i.n the last three years! SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hc.;!i'lr'! M R . WE I. !_ S : Thousands! DR. COL.LJNS : ,::1 poi.nt-: of or·d1,11". MR. SPFAI<FI~: () po"i.nt: oF or·c:lc:!r, lhf~ hon. l·.hr,, M:-i n:i st·et" oF Hc,1a] t·h. DR. COUTNS: M r· . S p (! c~ k (~ r· , o n 0.1 c d n llrldPY'S l'.dnd !: hE! hon . t.he LE•dder· of t.hE! Oppos ·i.t-. i.on 1 s L113 5 Apr:i 1 22, 1988 Vol XL.. .. r· 1:~ a l. l. 1J d o I:'! s n o t I.AJ i. s h 1:: o d e a l.

IAI i. 1:: h the issue. But we are dealing IAI i. th thE! Tn t:E•r·nal. Econo1ny Commission . Whether this govc->.r·nrnc.:.nl:. is doing the;! r:ight. thing economically or in the terms of Lhr.-:1 detJel.oprn~:!nt of l:.ht:! Pr·ovj .nct:! is intE!resting, but tt is not relevant to Lhis issue. We are not i n the bud g e t d dl atE! hE! r E! ; tAl o <.·1 r c-?. no +.: i n 1.: h ~:~ T h r· o n e s p ~:;! c;! c h h c~ r· l'> ; tAJe ar·e talking about a prH'I :: :iculaJ" b--i.l.1, dnd 1-- h<'! hon. l:.hH i..(~ader· ··ur t:hE:1 OpposiUon should bE:! rr:~levant. 1: 0 t h E:1 b "i l l ' SOME HON. MF~RER~: Hoc:~r, hE!dr'!

MR. WELLS : To tha 1:. po:int of Mt" . S p c.;! C:·1 k e r· . M~-· SPEAKf~.B.: To t.he point 1-:hH l .. r-~ddl,1 r' of of ot~dE·r·, ThE! hon . ~.: h(~ Oppos"i.t ·i.un. MR. WELLS : The r·el.twi~ncy, Mr·. ~)p~:~dk<,, r, i.s simply th:is -· I am adclrE!SS :i. nq thE> point of order. The Speaker asked me to be heard on the point of order, and T an1 j11st: tE!ll.ing !:I'Jt:• ho n. me!mbE! rs and thE! Sp E!a k E! r lAih r.d:. the rel.ev~ncy of the comment is. What. I am saying, Min. SpeakE!r, :J.

S l·:he cornHHHlt:s t.hat. l'ldU(,1 I:H'!l,!tl rnacle, parttcu] arly thoSE! by t:he hon. rn P rn b c,~ r r- o r· R u n r!ltJ ·i s 1:. d S o u 1:: h t: h d L·. T arn dealing IAI:ith, and t hE! oth E!In comlrtfH11·.s Ht<:Hh' :i.n 1:h ·is liou s r'!, .u·e made in an attempt to cover up -t:hf~so Fa i liii' ·. ,;!s. I f.HTI shotA.J:i.ng l:hE!ITI hotAI unFoundE!d l .. hr,1y dr't,1. To CCHH!Y' up i'. hese Fail.ures, they are making thPse COI'rllllF.!n h; dl'ld l:h<,1Y di"B no!". d(!dl i. ng tAri 1:. h t-. h c,, r· E:H:Il. iss tH~ . T hat. IAJi:i s the po ·i.nt: of l:hP cormnenl::. SOME HON. MEMBERS : No. 22 R113S

MR. ~WFAKER : Th~H't:> IA.Ia!> no po'int of or·d~H', thE! hon' l:.hE! u,~adr;!r' of l:he Oppo~di". i.on' Ml~. ~\lr:: U .S: J i:.lm tal king about l:l'tEHTI bc~:i.ng in '" n a b 5 o 1 11 t e p "' n i . c d n d b I'! i n g d l" "i. \J e n t'o say ctnyth:i.ng th~~y can ·to tr·y .:tnd d"i.scr·r,~di.t: t:he l.iber·t-ll PcH'ty. nut. IAJU 11.1 Ll1 no 1-:. 1 (;d: i":l ' tf~tn d i.vEH' t us. WE! wi1l deal 1.1..d l .. h their f e-Li. l. u r P s J. n p 1.1 b l. i. c s EH' v i. c c,~ s , tl-H:' i. Y' fcdlun~s in highways and municipal s cH' v l c c,~ s .

We IAJ i. ll d e ~~ l. tAJ.L L h t~J hi:~ t. they have done to the people of this Pr·ovin<:t-'! "in dr· ·i v i.ng thc;!rn out of it. over the last thrE!E! YE!ars, · a n d ·i. n d o u b 1. ·i n g 1.: h P d i. r c,~ c 1-. Provincial dE!bt in nine YE!ar·s, in r·pdiJc i.ng 1-.hc:! c:~conotny · of th i.s Pr·ovinCE! to a position tAJher·e thE! revenue from Provincial sources, the tot a J c u r· r E! n t and c a p :i. t a 1 r·evc,~nuE:! fr·u1n Pro1J Lnc i.i".·\1. sour·ces for the forthcoming year is pr·ojc·~cl : c;!d by l::hf:! M·i.n.i.stHl" of' Fini:.lnce to be less than :i.t was' l. i'\ s t- y C:! a r !

T h r:·\ l·. ·i s tAl h d l-. 1.: h (~ y h d \J c:;! l"educE~d th·:i.s Pt"ovj ncc;! to. fh1,~ fJf'!Oplf~ oF NPtAJFottndlr.lnd br-J f o o 1 Cc1 d by t h <-'! !> e ct t:. t E! mp t s L o cl j v ~~ r· t Utc,~i.r• r'li:l:c-'!rlt:'"i.on c~l~l<:lY i".o ··i.SSIH~S i: h i:1 t t h c,~ y a t UHrt p ·t e d l o c r· e a t e l :i I< e I.:I·H:! Sdl.•H'Y bE! i ng pr:·\"i.d l~o i"hf:! leader of the Opposition by Lhe L i. b (:)r' d l. p I.H' 1:: y ' r"' r· . ~:) fH~ d kEH' ' lA)(~ tAdll not let thEHn d:ivert t.he atLention of the publ.i.c of this Province to the re~l issue. Not.o~J, t.h i.s "i.s t.hc,1 only t:Jmt~ t.ha l:.

I am going to speak in this House on th·i.s matter. T have cleared it defin:it::iveJy. It. is t:hE! only timE! I a rn g o i. n g t o s p e c~ k t n t h i. s H o u s E! on ·"I:: his ITicltter. I c:tm goj ng to deal w:ith the issues. The'! hon. oppos i. 1·.<-'! cdn I. 1 :1.36 Apri.J 22, l9H8 Vol XL.. spc,~.:·\k as lrltlch c:\S !.:hoy wr:~nl·:. The han. member's oppositE! can t:ry and C r• 1:1 r:~ i" C;! IAlh d i"". I'!\):;!(' c:l "i, VI'!(' S j <) l'l !) ["' h ~~ Y want to coVE!r' thlc~ gross faJJ.urP of 1·:. h C'! (_:! 0

I) C:' t' n Ill r:! 11 t l~ 0 c:l n i'l 1. IAI i_ 1:. h 1:. h f'! pressing problems of Lhis f> l" 0 IJ i, 1'1 C !;! , [·: 0 1-. (' y r:'l J'l d d J. V lo! I" 1:. at'LE~nt:ion at.uay, but IAJ~' wiLl. not. I:H:• rl ·i v E! r' t: c;! d . ~30M!: liON . MEMBEJ~S : Hear·, hear! MR. WELLS: lt\1(;! ar't'! go'i.ng 1-.o d~::'r:·ll wj.-l::h Lhc'! issues and we are gojng to call t. h ~:! ur t. o a c c o u n l-: f o r 1·.: h ~~1 -i. s s l.l E! s . Their personal atLacks wjll not succeed, Mr. Speaker. _MR. M~~-RGA.f~:!: Stop your colleagues from mak i ng personal attacks, stop your o wn caucus. MR.

WELLS: ~iobod~fn 1-.h -i. s Cr~I . ICUS IAJi.l.l E'!VOr' makE! pE!rsonal MR. MORGAN: ::; 1:0 p y 0 II r' Cli~Jn C r'\ II CIt S C 0 ll U C:·\ 9 II(! S from making persona] attacks. r·1 R . S P r: A K Ff~ : 0 r· d e r , p 1 e a s e ! MR. WfLLS: Nob o cl y i. n 1.: h i s c "'11 c 11 s lAd. 1 1. o v e r· rna b1 pE!rS on a] at ta c: k s bu-t 11.1E:! to~.r.i.ll dei"~ll Wi.t .h i::hP JSSI.IE'!S r:'lnd IAJ(;! IAJ ·i. "[] not shirk from dealing with the i.l;St . I!.::~S i:JE:!Cdi.IS(,1 t.hey tnay affE'!Ct . i:'l personality. We will not avoid ·i.i:, bul:: "i.t w·i.n. 1:)('! cJE:!al.t IAlil.:h in terms of the issues.

We takE! no plc-'!i~SIJr'(~, Mr·. SpE~akE'!r, no pleasure, in raising issues i··.hat cldvt;!r'sHl.y aFfE:!C I·· any hon. member of this House. SOME HON. MEMBERS: -----·· No. 22 f~] 136

MR. WF:: l..l.S: I can say to you notAl, I takE! no pl.~1r"ISI.Ir'e I c)\rJd t du not bal .i.HVE! ;~ny of my colleagues on t.his si.dE! of the House take any pleasure tn raising issues that adversely affect any individual person on the othE!r side of thE! House, but we will. not shtr·k fr·om our responsibi.lity to the people of Newfoundland to deal. with those issuE:1S because i.t might advE:H'sely a f f <-:1 c t s orne o t hE! r 1 n <,1 rn bE! r· of ~: h i. s House. SOME HON. MEMRFRS: 1-lt-~dr, ht:!dr! MR. WELLS: r IV\ 1: ·i s U'H"! l;lt'' y I~J(,1 :i. n t <-'! n d I:() d f;! d J. IAJ:i t·h j -!'..

T gj VE:1 thE! pubJ.:ic of t·.h is Pr·nv i.nC('!, Mr·. Sp<c1dk(c1r', cr•ec:i ·i 1: for beJng able . to identify the c:l"i.FF0!r'enct;! b~:! I:IWcH"!n 14Jh,:~ L -I:IHc' hon. r11m11be1"S oppos'it<,1 IAJouJ d like to bE:1 t h f'! s "i. t 1.1 "' i:. "i. 0 n d s r d r· (;'\ s 1·. h ("! L ·j b <-:! I" a 1 P a r· t. y i s c o n c E! I" ned , a n d t h t->. r· e:1 a l. i. t· y . T h (,1 p e o p l. f~ o r 1:: h i. s Pr·ov:inCE! havE~ al.r·E•i:idy shot~m, most r·c,1c t,11'ltl.y i.n Wdl~ (:1r'for·d I<E!I'll•lount . , just: IAJhat: they think and just hotAI they vietAJ th<c1 L i.b<cH'al. Par·ty! SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! M R . WE L 1._~ : I have no doubt. that the gE!neral public of Ul"i.~; Pnw"i.nce t~J:il.l., i. n thE! next pr·ovincial elc;!ction, seE! Lt. i.n exactly t.he sa111e IAJrly, Mr· . Sp<->.r':li< E!r'. SOM[ I·ION. MFMB F I~S : Hear·, hoar·! MR. Wfi .. I.S: l a1n happy Lo suppor· ·l· i·.he p r· :i n c i p J e of 1: h j ~' l:l'i J 1 , M I" . S p t'! r:-1 k r'! r . T 1-. h ·i n k ·i. I: ·i ~; d f' d ·i r· l. y s o tJ n d p r· -j n c :i p J e . J think it 1"(->.flHc l.:s r:-1 consf:!l'lSIIS af'l:er · t:'l f';•\ i r· c.mount of tAJOI"k i'.lnd assessment..

It. 1.:1.:1.37 A p r· i. 1. /. ?. , 1 9 8 8 Vol. XI. MR. LONG: (Inaud:iblE!) . MR. WELLS: 7 [ h<-:1iH' 1-·. hc->. l.: IAIO rnt'!rnber·s doi;.Jn i~tt l:: hE! end saying it :i.s not a conSE!nsus . Now, there are only fifty ol::her rnE!IllbE!rS in this House bE!S:i.dE! thosE! 1-.wo and if all fifty othor members agreE'!. on somE!th:ing, il: app~"·al~s t: h f~ r· <->. -i. s no con!>~:! n ~; IJ !> u n l <'! s s 1':.1·1 t'~ y dictate that i.t. is okt-ly Ol" i l: ·i~; not. okay. 1\JOI;I, T har·Z:Il.y ca.ll. !··.hal:. any SE!mblancc;! of dE!rnocracy. You h ,:., t.J P. 1: o b f'! I" edson ;•1 b ·1 r,~ .

They haVE! t:.o I"E:!lTIE!mbE!I", Ml" . S fH~ d k C"! t' 1 i: h "' •i•·. 1-. h C" Y ( d 1'\ l'l 0 t. h ('\ ~) ('! t.heir own way ahsol.utely in n tJ t'! r· ':1 1·: h ·i n g . T h ('! F <'I c ·I· 1-: h ;:.-, ,.. t h <'' y want to b~:! tr·oatl:·d i~~:. !-..hough l..hl:•y I;J(! I" C! d l'rlt'l j 0 I'' p ,:•1 r· 1- y -j_ 1'1 I h ·j S i·lo II~;~:! , MR. LONG: We ar·e. M f~ . WE L 1... S.: -·thE! fact is they dr'<->. l:.tAJO lnd·i.v -L clual are not E!Ven go:ing p a I" t y i. n M i:Hl i. 1:: o b a i. n SOME HON. MEMBERS: H e a r· , h c;! a r ! MR. WELLS: arE! not .

They fTIE!rrtb~;!r'S. fhl;!Y to be a rna j o r· d f' ~:!IAI d a y S . Mr. Spe-akE!r, based on tAJhat I have r·t~i.~d :i.n i·:he n~por· t Tools for the Job ~ t1.J h ;:, l·. 'i. s c o n t d "'l n ~~ d i. n t h i s bJJl is essentially s ound, ;•,lthol .ltJh T SdY aqd in, 1 !~10111 d hd'J<,~ preferred the situation where l".hr:!r('! t~liH>

c) I'll'! pr· -i. vd l'.f'! rrH:!Ini:HH' fr•o1n <.;!a c h party , o r· a !; ·i t u at -.i o n tAil'l e 1" e i·: h HI" (,1 I~Jt'l ~; l'l 0 pi" i lJ .:·1 i". H lillc11fli:H'! r f' r• 0 nl c,1:ither pal"t .y, and thE!n you couJ d not c:o1npl <d n of' "i i·, i:'ind lvttJU 1-.ht'~ Oppos :ition Housc-:1 L.eadE!Y' s.LI-.. or1 :it -i.nstc"dd. F.:-i. th(:!r' oF l::hof;~:! IAJOI.I -ld have bE!E~n dCCE:'ptable , but Uw No. ??. R'll3'7

government, iHld I do motiv E:1 !> for whatever reason, not IAJant. to dt l::r· i.butc.;! to them, chose to r·~~ c omlfle nd the course that they did. I advised thE! hon. thE:~ He suggested when he wrote that l" hc,~ pri.IJdl~e. lllf~rnbc,1r Fr·oHI l':I·J'i.s s ·i.dP. of the House be aJternated beLween l . hr~ NDP c1nd · l : hE:~ oF'Fi . r;-i.al Opposition. Now, notwithstanding l·:ha l: Lhc,~y only l'ldVC:! t·.1AJO 1nc;!lni:HH'S, i:tnd L~IE:' hC\V(,1 f:i.~tE:1E!n, 1.\J(.;! agr·ee.

We IM i. l. l. cll. t ~=~ r· nat· H . 0 n c,~ y E! r:\ t' , L h r;! y l.1ti:Jl haVE! it, Hw next year·, we IAJOI~l.d hr:\V(,1 i.t i.f IAJ(,1 rH'l-:1 t.:he offic:i.al opposition, - tlR.- PATTERSON: You Lui 11 not bE! aJ"ound in another year. MR. WELLS ; but I expect we government . The han . quite right, we wi11 gover·nrnent s ·i.de th~=!n. 1.1dll bE! member· be on in ·i.s thE!

So, 1 s 1.1 g g c~ s 1::c,1 d L I · H~ s -i.mp 1. r,1 t:Hl SIAJ~H' :is W(,1 an1 even prepared l:o f] ip a c: o i. n 1·. o d 1:>. c :i. d e IAJ h o g o o s f ·i. r· s ·i·. , notw:i thstand :ing thclt IA.Je hr.,ve Fi.ft-.c;!c.;!n, ,,~,,,1 do not i_nsist that IAJr,~ shouJd go f:ir·st. WE:~ ar'C"! pr•epared i: o fl. :i. p .:~ c o i n a n r:l cl f:~ ci. r:l r,1 d n d ·i F t h E:1 .Y IArl n ·t h e to s s , o f<i.l.Y , t h E! .Y 1:1ppo'i.nt·. thn lriHinbc,H'.

I\Jo1~1, T l·: h ·i nk thf.l.t t.hdt :l s b(~·.i ng r:~m:i.nent.J y r'('!i.'lSOnc:~bl.r~ l'.lnd ·j n 1-.he circumstances that this bil1 p t ' o vi. d n s For· , I~Jf:1 d r· f'! pr'E!piH'f:1d t:o JiVE! With it, supper~ Lhe bill.. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar·! SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! Ll] 30 A p r· j ] 2 2 , 1 9 8 8 Cjll.i tE! and '"'r:~ Vol XI. MR. SPEAKER: T h 1::1 h o n . the M .i. n i s t c.;! r of H e a l. 1·: h . MR. SIMMS: There must be some students in ~p1l. 1. rH' y f r· om h ·i s rl i s +·. J" i c t . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR.

PATTERSON; t.hE! (Inaudible) the Opposition is go .. i.ng l·. o r·r,!l~=!c'1Se h·i s hos1::<.'l go~; OV('!r' t IHH' 1::1 • ·r n K u 1.11 a :i t: , t: 11 E! .Y 1.1JEH' E:! r (,~ J. F.! c:~ !) ~~ d 1 d !) ·1: IAJ~~ ~1 k . H (,1 h d s sixteen of them over there now and l: he y r.\ r· I:' bE! q-'::J i. n g 1:. o b H r· C'! 1 c;! a !> E'! d . MR. SIMMONS: A p o :i. n -t. o f o r· d c~ t' , M r . S p ~~ a k E~ r . MR . SPEAKER: The ho n . t h·E! m~:!mi:JE! r for Fortun e Hermltage, a po i nt-. of order. MR. SIMMONS: I understood that we had a speaker ft"OIIJ thr.'lt si.de and I t>.Jds goi.ng l:o speak for this side .

MR. SPEAKER: ~Jr,, r:l 0 h c'l \) E! d S p r,1,:,1 k e I" f I" Ol'fl side and he was rr:!C:o gniZE !d c~s hon . Lhn r~ .. i n"i s l··. er· oF Hedl.i.:h. SOMf HON . MFMBERS: Hear, ~~~~ar·! DR. COLLINS: l::h i !'; l.: hE• Ml" . ~)pr,~i.~ k (:!r, 1·.: h·i. s "i ~; r.l b ·i 1·: uf c.~ unique debate. I suppose for many fH-~ o pl. r;1 ·i. n 1-. hE! P r· o v .i l'l c f'! 1:: h ·i !> 1 nay n o t. s e E!'rn a v E! r .Y i rn p o r ti:'l n t:. j s s u E! s . But w~:! •H'f~ d ("! ba 1:: i. ng s Ol'fl(·=d : lr i. n g l: 1·1 d 1:: has to do with thE! House of As~H?.HJbl.y i.'I-.SE:1lf. So, i. t: is a unique thing.

It :i.nvolvE!s us all.. 11: ·i.s very i.rnportant l:.o us al1. WH th i.nk, bE!CausH i.t J s ·i.rnportt'lnt to the m~: ~rrJbE~rs of t:.he HousE! 1 it is .i. rn p o r· I: a n t t. o 1:. !1 c;! P r' o v ·i. n c '"! d n d r. a rn No. 2 2 R1138

S IH'f:1 t. hr'\ 1: i. t 1~1 e r· E! f 1 r:! c t i. s s () . T. l": i. s Ull'! Ilk\ y P r· o v .i. n c e , i:: h e oin t.hJs House, l. rH' g 1::1 1::1 X i:<-?. rl t:. . democracy Jn our a c ·t·. :i. o n s 1:: h d t go o n and that 'is so to a So, Mr·. Spt~abH', I do not. have-?. iHlY hesitation therefore in entering "in l:.o ~~ l. 1 aspect. s of hoiAJ l:hc-?. mf~mbers of this House and how the House itself conducts itself in the context of this pal~ticular b·i.J.J. . M r . S ~·H:H,J. I<<-?. r· , I IAJc'll'l 1". to d ,,1 ctl.

IAri. t: h the :issue that has come up here a n d has j u s t·: bE! (~ n de a I. t t.u'L t. h a{-. length by thE! hon . the Leader of l.:he Oppnsi .t.Jon. That: · iss11rc~ tAJr:-\S '" view put forward by a member of L h L s H o 1 1 ~; ~~ , q wi. 1.: ('! pro p fH' l. y i n 111 y v :ie1.u. lie~ put for'IAJiH'd t:h~::' v:iC::11AJ 1'.11 d 1:: Ui1'1 I. o d d lc1 r· o F 1: h r,, 0 p p o ~)'i 1: ·j <) n j s r.E:! c r:1 '.i v i n g E:! .x ·1. I" a s a J a I" y i.lrlf>r'opf:H'ly.

Tlv1l: t~JdS Lht:! hon. lltE~ntbE!F' 1 s voi ew, iHtcl I th'.i nl< he had "'r·f~dson and a ].(~g'L+:iln.:at : f'! t"f~a!>On to put that Fol"tJJard. So, I want 1.: 0 cl e r'\ J I~Ji . l: h L h r•l t q Uf:1 s t:"i. () n J 1". h d t t.hE:1 LE?.ctdC'!Y' of Ute Oppos:it.ion is r (~ c ~=! i IJ ·i n g (,1 x L. r· d s a. ·1. d r· y L n ''' n improper fashion. Mr·. Sp~~ai<E!I", yesterday, whE!n thE! Lc,~acler· of l:i'H'.! Oppos"i.t.i.on sa i.d hc,1 tt~ould address t.his issue, rny undc-?.rstanding I~Jas t:hclt. hE! IAJEls going to ful1y lay out alJ. the Fa c t s a b o u t. h .:L s c~ x 1:: r a s a l. a r· y .

H e:~ did not. deny that he IJJas gE•tting an ex l:.r·a sal.iH'Y. How cot1l.d h(-?.? EveryonE! knoiAJS :it. HE! is gE!tti.ng a s u b s 1: a n t. L ;:~ l. c,1 x t r· a s a l. a r y . My tHtd e r s trHtd :i ng, fr·om h:i s i. nit: i a 1 r·c,1rn<u·ks, i. s ho I~JdS go i.nq t.o l ;:·lY out a] 1 the po:i nt:.s about that: and !:'.hal': ·i. l': IAJOijl.d be,, r'l Sdt'.i.sfc'lCi ".Ot'Y (,1xpl a nat jon. M r· . S p (,1 d k EH' , 'l:. h j s ru o r-rLi. n g I h a v e r.o say ftnorn lilY wi. E'!I~J, dnytAklY I T !lid n o t h (-:J a r· i'..l n d d (~ q u a t.

P "~ x p J a n a t J o n . :r. i:h "i.nk i··.hHr•r,1 di"P qtJr,~st · Lons I. 113 9 Apl":i1 22, 1988 Vo1 XL. 01.1 i".S l.dnc:f ·i ng, <Htd I Uri nk t:hc·'!l''e <H'f~ thr·ee types of qUE!St.ions and I arn qo:i.ng l.:o der•1l 1~1 i.l:.h t.he l::hr·r:•H l.yp('!~; of questi.ons. They are, :in my lJ "i. ~:1tAJ, of r.1SC<'!nd·i. ng irnpor·tanc(,1, T suppose, but neverthE!lE!SS, E!clch q IH! S l'.: 'i. 0 1'1 i. n t b:> CIIAJrt r• :i 9 h l:: .i S important and I am going to lay it out as T st~e i.t . . Now, Mr·.

Sp(~ctker·, !:he f:l.rst question I have is that the Leader of 1: h C::~ 0 p p o s L t. ·i. o n . i. s r· E:! c (;! J v :t n g E!Xtra salary irnpropC::~rly. Why is h e d o L n g t. h 'i. s a n d , t h E! r· o b y , damaging the Liberal Party? Now 1:: h a I~ ·i. ~; o n e o f 1:: h C::1 i:: h r· f~ e q 1.1 c-?. s t :i o n s . Not•J, IAJhi:<~L does onH rrwc:Hl by da1nag:i.ng ti'tE! U .ber·al Party? Thr:• I. e .:-1 d r:! r o F L h f.! 0 p p o !:: ·i_ L i o n h d s b e C! n at paJns several. tjrnes to point Ottl: t he:-~! · hr:! did nol · ~>Ht~k l:: h<.'!

Jeddersh:ip of the Liberal Party, d 1'1 ci IAU:1 h r:•\1) (·~ t:\ C C I'! p (". ('! r:i 1: h ,·:·1 [: , AN 1'101\J . MEMBER: __ , Hc,1 IAJent on Sr.llE! . DR. COLLINS: lje Sr•l.i.d hH did not: ~) f!Hk i.t. W~:! are not claiming the con t.rar·y, IAJP are just reporLi.ng what ho is saying. He said, 'I d:.l.d not SE!E!k the Liberctl. Party leadership.' MR. DAWE: No! Somebody put hirn in a b ·.oi.n on $1. LIA Day. DR. COLLINS: No1.u, Mr·. Speaker, that: r·a:lsr:•s t hE• q l.J 1:'! S 1:. :i 0 n IAJ 11 y h (~ d i. d 1'1 0 t. Sf'! HI< thE! Libera]. Party J.eadership?

He is h r-=! r· r,~ . lnl h y d t d h f'! n o t. s e f'! k i. l.·. ? T s he not. a J...j.beraJ.? He says he'! is a L i b ,.~ r· r:-1 l , d n d 1~1 r,1 h a v c;! l:: o b c;! l i e v t:' him, and a11 the rernarks he has 1 n ,:-, d 0. .:·ll" f'! ·i n cl H F r:! n r; r~ of 1:: h f'! I . i bE! r· al. Pctr·ty, so tJJe can put l::he1-L as.idE~. J [· lfkl y b I·) Hl .::t l·: h (:1 cl -j d 1'1 () l" IAI<Hl t'. l:: 0 s (:~ r:~ k t. h E! 1 <:1 ad E! r· s h i p o f 1': h e 1... ·i b E:' r· i'l 1 P r't I" 1". y b r,1 c d 1 1 !> n h r,~ d i cl n o i·: IAJr:'l n '1-. L o No. 22 R1139

get into public life, and that would be a legitimate point of vi.c,~I).J. As a mat.ter· of act., aft.~:!r' t h e p r· e v i. o LJ s 1 e ad e r IAI a s d i s p a t c h E! d i. n a r· a 1:: her· u n !> c->. c:! rn l. y fa!> h .i.o n by h:i s co] lE:1agu("!S, he IAJas a~; kE!d, I be 1 J. ('! V 8 , by OI'H:1 0 f 1:: h f~ rtH:! d i c:l r· E! p r· e s e n t: e:d: j v <'! s , 1 A r e y o u g o i n g t o !){~Hk :i.i-:? 1 And hc,1 sd·i.cl 1 1 I)JOidd not touch it with cl ten foot barge pole. I 1 th i.nk l:i'Jt:1f: ·j !) 1:-\ r,;d_r•l.y dc:cut"atE:1 comment: on IAthat IH1 saJd c\'1: 1.: h f~ l:i.lll!,1 . ~)O, i.

L llld y I)IC;! ll b ('! l.hcilt hE1 d".i d no l7. IAJant to gc,1t. '.in l:o p II b l :i (: 1 i. f ,,, . HOIAIE!VI~ln, [·.haL "i.s nc->.go,tl:ed by Lhr'! f1'..~et that h<,1 :is :in public life. S 0 , W h i-1 t ·i S [·: h f~ 0 1-:. hE! r• In(~ d S 0 l1 1~1 h y he:1 said hE1 d:id not sE:1ek it? It m u s t be rn o n e y . W h a 1:: o l. h t~ r· r· ~'! d s o n can there be? He is a Liberal. H <'! lAid n 1:: s l: o be .in p 1.1 b 1 i. c 1 i. Fe, becauSE! hn :is herE!. But he said h e d .i. d n o t s e H k i. i:. . T s i: h H r· ~~ d n y other rE!ason lAJhy hE! did not SE!ek i.t? T srJgg<->.st i.t wt:-~s morwy.

EV!i:1rythi.ng points t.o the fact that J.t IAJas cl morl!:'!Y q1Hc1st i.on. Th(H'C:1 tJJas not:. enough rnoney in the pos ·i. t'ion of l . ~~ader· of l:hc-:1 Opposition to satisfy t:hn hon. Hlerni:H:'Y'. No1~1. t.:hc\1:: i.s Firi .r· enough. I have nb problem with t h 1:\ I~ . 1\J o one i. s For· c :i. n g anyone l ... o gc,1t: :into pubJ.j c loi . f~1. No onE1 is for· c .i. n g d n yon c,, 1.: o <.·\ c c r,! p l: d h ·i. g her· o r· ] o IJJ E:H' o r· l: h e s am E! s a J a r y . I t i. s q 1 1 i h,! "' l. ,,1 g 'i. l. i Hit'\ 1-f~ Ud n g '1: o d o , but: hE:! cl'id no-t ans1JJer· that q u 1'.:! s 1: "i. o n .

T t lri. n k t·: o c l. f~"' r +Jri s l~thoJ<,' rnaltC:!I" up, hP should hav<:1 di1:>1Aif~r·r->.d Lhe1t quc,1st:"i.on. He sho11ld h a v C:! s a :i cl , am I :i 11 p u b J :i c 1 :i f E! f o r· 1:: 1·11;1 tno rw y or· dHI I not .. ? T 'l'·. h'i. n k Uw E:!Vj d~HICC'! shows ht1 is in pub] :ic 1. i. f E! for· ·I·.Jw tncHIC:~ y , b cO! c a 1.1 s e i'H'! said I would not be in it o '1-. he r·1~1.i. s e . SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ar·, heclr! L 11'1·0 Apr· .. i.l. 2/., '19!!8 Vol XI. DR. COI.LTNS: Now that is the question. Mr. SpeakE!r, hE! then cla:i.rns t.hc~t 1·: h e I_ :oi. b r->. r· r:~ J.

P a r· t y h r:1 d l-:1 tJ <'! r' y r· "i. q h t. to give him E!Xtra salar·y, and I S d y f t'd. r• C·Hl 0 I I 9 h ! flLI 1:: C d n 1~1<-'! bE:1J.ieve ti'ti'.lt: thE! U.bE!ral Par·ty :i.s q i w