J ' Volume 1 PROVINCE OF .NEWFOUNDLAND THIRTV-5EVENTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND 1st. Session VERBATI.M REPORT WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 1975 sPEAKEFI; THE HONOURABLE GERAlD RYAN OTTENHEIMER Number 9

December 3, 1975 The Houae ~et at 3 J00 P.M. Mr. Speaker in the Chair. MR. SPE.\nR: Tbe bon. Pre.arl.er. tapa no . 289 HON. Jl', D. MOORES (Premier) : lit". Speaker, 1 vould like at t&ia ti.Die, Sir , tQ. 01au a moUott, tlu:.ov.gb you, to pass on the l:Dil!Plf:lllentG of this Bouse to Ris Lordship-. the .R.i.gnt Reve r end Mark Genge~Wb.a b.as -reuntly been elected. che. third bishop ill Ne1o1foundland. 1 would like to, on behalf of this House, wish b:!Jn congratu1ations for acb.:ievf.ag this vezy high honour in. h:1a faith, 'Ihe ll:l.ght.

"Reverend Mark Geni!&e La a person whom t suppose a g·reat IIW1Y people in th.ts Bouse have known mor e ~o because o( his age tban some of the other peopLe wbo preceded him. He wa~ bon in 1927 in St . John's. He bas Cive. davgbten. I wau.ld not van.t. to be the one, Sir • to pass on tiidViee to the 11ewly el.ected bishop but I did ~ too 9 before I had a son , and 1 do not kuov if in. trl$ capadt"y be could carry on in that line or not,bUt far be it for m.e. to sugges t it, But he was educated in 'Ne:Wtoundland . Re is a true Newfoundlatu:lel:. lie was edueat-.d at Sprillgdale Stre.er. School here In St .

John' s,at R.ishop Feild. He graduated frcnn Queen 1 a Q:Jl.lege io 1951 where L unders t and he went to schnol. at. t he same ~e as tbe Gove~t House Leader , the llt!lllber for lilbr:Ul e (Mr. Wells) at tbat tim.el 1o1h1ch must heve gi1ren him encouragemeot a.nd determination to carry IN 1~ the religio.us order. He gra duated f~om Durna$ Univeraity in 1955 with a B.A., and 1970 with an }f.A. lfe vaa ordained 'in 1951 . 1 m1gbt. say at this tillle.

Sir, that in "my days 1.a growing ~P in Carbonear and Rarbour Graea playinf in tbe tennis tournament, the f<11110us tennis tt:lu=.ametlt of .rilly 11 in liar hour Grace and here io St. Jolm 's, l r~ber Mark Oenge and his bro t her playing for Bqwring Park Club at that time, and I got to know them vety well at Char time 8lld at a ~ ea-cly stag e of rA'J .caree't . 'Hie career 715

l)ecember 4, 1975. PREMIER MOORES : RH - 1 has been one of credit. He has been the district secretary of the Caudlan Bihte S~e.ty. Re. 1.5 a. man who ;i9 a credit to our Province 8lld ! have much p~easure, Sir~ in :aoving that this Rouse go on record 1.n congratulating him with. all our beet viahes . "SOME RON. MI'!MB!RS: Near : Rear.! }11t~ SPEAKER: The ho., ., Leader of the O~poaition. ~. E.K. ROBER~S: "r. Speaker, it is with a very great d~al of ~leasu£e that on behalf of the hon. members sitriug on chis side of tne House T ~ec.ond t~e motion and speak in support of it.

F.lect Cen~ is a distinf1u1&hed Nevfoundlandet: ~ as the Prem ier said born and b~ed in th1$ Pr~Tince and a man who baa served as an Anglican priest in many co~uttitiee throu~bout the Province. Ris experience has been very varied and very vide and he has left behind him 111 all of the co•mlmnities where he ruu; served ae a curate. as a rec~or. friends and admirers and he ha& served witb diatinetion in very .any <!Teas . fie is 8 disl:'inguishe d cbu rchiMn t Mr.

Speake r , both a. eebolar and a ~astor, b11t 'IIOt"e than that, Si.r , B1~'ho'IJ Elect Genge 'is a brave and a f~a.t:leas man, a man who is deeply conc::el"ll.ed with social iss'Ues and a man vbo bas not he8:f.tated to !!(teak out and to let ~e c:hipa fall Where the~ ma~. As the Premier mentioned 61shop Elect r.en~e has a brothe~ who ts also 8 ~riest, the Reverand David Genge~ an Anglican priest who has ~erved as ~ell in man~ communities, a very fine fa mily i ndeed, Sir.

The new bishop is the inher.itoY of a proud tradttio n and 1 knO'W t"hat be tiill ada luster tn :l.t and he will take the trad!Uona of the !nglican eriscopate in tb!l.s Province 011 to new heights .a_a tlte fir:!lt bi:~bop of the new diocese of Cent r al Newfoundland. tve on th1a side, Sir~ wish him every succ:~ss and we snare in the ['ride an d the ple.te.tt%e. 'lith Which the P£emte~ has moved a motion on behalf o£ thi!l House extending our cong£a~ulations to the Bbbop Elect end to his t>Ar1shioner:s, SOME tlON. l4EMBERS; Rear! Hear: 716

n~c~her 4, 1975. Tape 29n R'll - 2 MR. SPP.:Ali:Eit : '\'he hon. m$1!1b~r from Twillinga te. liON. J. R.. SHA\,L'-'Oflt> 1 Hr. Soeak er, I remember well indeed when th.ere was but one Anglican lltsh~tp in the l'rovine~. Re was the Lord Bhlhop of Newfoundland and was Lndeed the Right Reverend Ll.ewellyn Jones. lle was an Englishman by birth, .a Nevfoundlander by adoption. And 1 reme111be.r well when t.he f 1.t:st nat1ye born "Ne.wfoundhmder beea111e J.onl ~t~hop oi Newfourldl~nd, tne Anglican ~isho~ of the An~lican Church for the, Vbole of this Pt:ovince.

Alld 1 rel!lcmber evu more vividly when the An~~:U:catt communion in this country as we - no, in this. 'Provinc e . r think, as ve hKve he.r:ome - the ae=nd &isht;>p, tbe secoad diocese was c reated, t hat. of the \ilesr: Coaet .

Now we have !!leen tile c:reation of a third ~iocese and tbe electio" of a hishol' thereto. have lmo"'-n Bishop Gen~te for a nW!Ibcr of years and his brother :as we11 1 They al'e, u the Leader of the Op!lOSition lras said and as t:h.e hon.. the Premier too has said , they hoth ~Qllle from a dht inguished fa~1ly of NewfoUndlander s . 1 take a l1tEle moTe than ordinary pleasuTe in his app~intment in view of the far:t tbat ne and I share somethi~~ in that we are both old Feildians. Re went to Bishop Feild and so did r. thOUAh the re was a little diff~~~ee ia cne time .

Re went in tnere some ti.l11e a fter I left 1t, l am s ure that all Newfoundlanders hail the e lection and soon the consecration of this f ine Newfoundlander as qishop of the An~liean diocese of Central NeWfoundland. S m•rF.: R01l , ~tEMJIJffi S ; 717

!.il-l "R. Sl'EAK'En ~ tt has been 111l111'<!(1, aec.ouded and agree.A! thAt ltppropnate •<:tiQP be taken t o convey the c~ngretul a tioas and b~st ..,ishe.s of the neuse ~o cbe new Bishop F.lect. S'l'A:I'EMENTS BY MDnSTP.JlS: KR. SPlAY.:K'P ~ The nOll, the Premier. '-'R. VOORE~: t'r. Speaker, ! ~Go at this time on behalf of all ban. members of the Rouse, I 3111. su~, move a 1110tion of b.e.rty c.ongratubt1ons to the- hofl. ~ Jaellll>er tor Twillin.gate. (l'lr . SINlll'Ciood) aod nia ~ood viie~ Cl ua) <obo C£1eb"t'ated their Fiftieth rladd1ng AllrUversa.x,;~ on November .25tb.

S(l~!E ROtf. 'Wl-'RB-l!S: Heat:! !I ear! J!'IR~ MOORE~: 'I'he lron. mel!lbeY" t.ra$ m&rtied on li!O'vember 25, l92.5 at C:arbone ar . They bave two sons~ 'P.am.say and Wi ll!.a111,and one daughter, Clar$. . I rni~ht. point. out here, Sir, that 1 am sure the :l:nspiratton of the 'hot\. member over t:he Jl!&rs was in no S'IMU way doc to the fecr: that: Cifr\lonear had a part to plAy .in 1 now, two l're.mi.e:T&' 11ves 1n t:ll~ very recettt: til!le since Confederet1an .

Y.ay the yeat:s ahead, Sir, be the years cf vrosper1ty, contentment and mutual en j o~t. for tne hon. gentlel!'.an and his good Wife wit:h all good wishes from tbls side, Sir. ~OI'fB JIDN. }'Efoll!E:RS r Reu! Rear-! ~m . SPl"..AKEP: the hon. Leader of the Oppos1Uou. 'fl'. 'POSFI''l''i: ~1r. Spe ake:r, if r might say a wot'd or so Oll behal.f of my coll eagues here and vety genuinely and dnc:.erely !rlsb to be as~oetated w1tn thr. P'r emie r 's rema1:ks.

Ar; nn& ~~ho has but newly come to tl'te 1!1arlt:.U status I can but envy tbe lton. gentlemm '.s ~ood f1n:tune in havinfr been married for fifty years. l~e wish h.il!l llll!llty !I!.Dte 7e~s of he.aJ.tb Md happU!esl;!, 1u;l. .and Mrs . Smalbr oo(j , and the joy Whlr:h they have Rno1>m •<e hope 1-dll long col\til\ue, Sir. SO)'R .ROW. l'EYE!P.S: Rear ! Rear! ~ • . <:J"EA~l>: 'r.be. h on. mesnher fo~ TvUJJf\W\te (Hr. Small1ooad ). •-n. S~ \ Ll HO"lfl: Mr.

Speaker , !n express i ng rrry &in cere g:re!!.itude t n t he bon. the Premie r and the Leader of tlle. l'lpposition for their very k1nd remarks anA the ~Y in which the members of chis ~ouse. have 718

Tape :!?! r~-2 responied there~o; I have to say that t am ~ul1 of admi ration for the sny syatem of the Premier . How did he find out t his thing? Jt ••AS !iunt1o:ty, l ast we.ek, t his past - na, I have forgot:t ell. lt was c ltbe. r r'f\:1 s .Sul'iday just palil t or t.he one. befo11e that ve had ~be annJversary ~~le~Tatinns, and sixty or s~enty of my relatives, my ~d.f~ 1 s re1a t1Ves <•ere !:here. And f rankl y t'noagb 1 love to boast of tne f act that r ha'\.'!2 thre e , to this lllOI!Ient, thre~ great gran dchildren, and (:ive me a.

J.!ttle ti111e - 1 have three as of this count ing - tboLtSh I ftnnst of tha t fact 1 heve e n<leavore~ to suppress the fn ct that 1 ~ave he.en, that my ,,,ife and ! hrore been celebrating our - ~~hat ts it, fi fty? ~i~rnond? N-1 }fnN. I'T'tf3F.1>: r.olcP.n • tip.. SMALLWOCID: \.olden. Yes, that 1s right, ~olden. They had gold colot·eo cancU es. r should reme~~~he r that, C.oltlen Ann1ve-rsan, bec aus e yoU c.an be n1dt:e young and havt" grea t-.gran dchildre n but }'OU k.no1or f ift y years marri ed is prett:y definitive. There is not gett i ng a~'BY from that.

Anl'l r R'r!ll ll!. violent ly ~·:Lth anyone. l·ibO ,;~ggests that T 01!1 nl.

t) e~cept by t he caLend ar. T~e calendzr 1£ Ag~inst me. T~at i s shout a l 1 rbe.re 1.s. Th.ank ;vau. STA1'lYENTS 1\Y I'INISTF..RS: ~"P. . gpRAKEP: The h on. ~iniste r o f Provincial Affairs a nd ~he F.nviTonment . I10N. A· tflTl'r!{Y: t1r . ~peakeT 1 lf tma y, t o keep the House up to cl~>te on "hilt 16 '11 anpeni~tg wi th reg11rc1 t o CQUSumer af~!!:L;r:s and the det~artm~nt ):hat hcts hea n esteb l is'hed in Otta~>a, Mit1 -infla t h m . 1 1~o11:td l:t.ke: tr> ~Jrinp the House up co date. J a m mak inr 11 n 1ease to(lay, b~ts:tc>U l y "' rrP~S t~lease) sn f ~ould like to let the Pnuse ~ow first .

Some of th~s l s t nformat! on th<it has been table <! before but I will rea tl the stat emen t as it is. Tmmecli.ately 'fiaUo'!<T:Lng the anno1lnCe1Mnt in Ottawa of the Ant.l-inflot~on Review lloar(l, 1 ~ent a telex :t o the Chairman requestlog tJ\o t the no an! t!St:IJ'\~1 ish an office in }!ewfnundJ.ant4 so that r h:l.s T'Tovince ,.01.1ld rece1ve the aJ:te ntlon 1.t neetls L"'stearl of having tC' deal with a Teviona l of~irF In ~~va Scor i a . 719

n-J ' '" Vpt>pnY: A CQpy of; tUY telex T"as sent 1:0 all Ne .. found l=d ~enators and 1'e!llben; t)f. l'erHa:ment tirginr, there to give their fnll support to 1liY p-roJ?o&al that: a regionAl off1ee be ~tabllshed in ReHfoundland. · ~ telex ~as foll owed by a letter to ~r. Pepin remaio~ing h-!.111 that food -prices ;f.n lieWfouodland were b 1ghrr than in any ocher.- part of C:anada anil ~hat, because of transportAt ion pl!'tlbl.ems and distribut.ion problems, our focd c:osts especially ooere sttSceptlbl e fo tncrease.s . ~r . Pep1n rer lierl ~o my October 17 telex o4 November 10.

Re sUvir.ed that his intention WAS to open regional office s Ot+l)l in dHe s 111here full:-t:iJDe. ~hers of his board are loeate rl. Re <lid urule.rt:alu! to re.~w tlu! quest:ion of regional offiees again. 720

'1\a,pe No . 2 ~2 tl1?. ~'llf:'PRY< nn Sovember 14 t sent. .anofpcr telex to l'r . Pepin stresdnr, <l~atn the· need tn prnt"!ct the people nf Ne,~fc:>undland 'frlllm nrice !ncre&I\IJS i\nd re"C>eat).ng mv urf,e.nt requiH;t th >\n an office hf> Pst<~hl ~ ~t1P.rl ~ n th~ I! 'Pronnce , t a1so !>U~)',est: tp h:f..nl thAt hecatio;c this Prcwin01e is need i$ !;rea test 1~e should h:tve ftiJ 1 t.l me refll"-:!sentat:lon on tl!e Antt -1nfJ.at:!l)n ~oartl. Todav, neeem"te r J . T h>~d a t~teJ>~one cal.l I J:om the Associ.1te R~ecutive Ptrec~or oF ~he So;:~td ' i.n ntt(!Wa , ~·r.

Yeomans . tn I<Mclt he advh;ed th!!t: a !ir. I! , Jlenouff. he (<alled. hl 'lll - we cal l him Re.noul; berll,- and lt 11' nnt Harry at t~emorhl Univ~rs.tty- flfld es~ahlished -a Tl,egional Office Ln l!alif ax. ~ r . Yeomans su~r~esteci. th.;~ t I1!Y reques t would ~~ceive further consi derat i on.

I t is liN ·intentio n to IM:i.nt.~tin pres s.Ul"e 0'11 t:l!e Ant.i-inflat-1011 noArd to hav e direc t rer,resenta ·t1on for thi s Province. on the floard. 1 feel :l.t is essential that Mewfoundlan!l's needs :recei ve the l'!pe~:i al conliidcr.ation whlch ~o• e f~l ta be necessary with o:eapec.t: to price lncreases , espe c ially food prt.ces , I fed th~t t l\.r- steps taken hy ~ department to ensure r-e.,resen!'oatio u <Jn the fe<ier<\l llo<~T!i 1-.'ill receilve tbe unaualifie:d S\11'[>ort o f :a~l eJ.ected Te'flrcsentat:ives of t he peorle in Ne~·•foundland and l n Ottawa . ,\nd l ~ ~orrv to say, ~entle~. that t9 ~h~s date I have not recd.ved ·one ·~ord of suppo r t or acl<nowledgement from anv of the Senat or-s or '!.P. is in f1ttaW<t. ll.Q..Tlf.ES flF HOTION: ''11:• SPF.AKF!l::. '1'he hon . ~Hnister of F'inanee . ~'I'll.

W. . DOOD'l: N1:. Speaker, I. ask leave to introduce qn to!lli;!T~o"' to the hon. 1itm~l!; "An Act To Ratify , \.onfit:m And Adopt Aft Agreemant Entered lntu nec~ean the t,ov ernmet'tt , \~abanex Enet>gy Corp,oration Lim.U.ed And Pow.er r:o·tpot-ation Of Canada r..imtted With Respect To The Conduct Of A Survey t~to The reasibility Pf nein~ The ~tsused tr.on Ore ~ines At nell rslan.d 11'or l!vdroc3'tbon i!!orage 1\nd.., rt J?e.asible, To Lease Lan.d And PeTtipent6 · Ther efor And To t1ak.e Statutoty Provi.siorts Re5pecti ng •'atters Gonnected Ther~Jfrh . •· (No, 5) 721

December 3 ,1975 Tape No . 291 W" - 2 'HR, SPEAQR: The bon. lDember 'for Bcay of [slsnds. . ~m. I~OODROW ~ Mr. Speaker, 1 give notice that l ~ha ll on tomor~ow ask l~ave to move the ~allowing reaola~ion; resolved that the House of Assembly cammence each 3easion ~ith a prayer, preferably t~e Lord's Pr'aye t;" and that. .all hon. members be invit-ed to reclte the pr~e:r to(tethe.r , MR. SP EAKER~ Order, please! The hon . ge.nt'lernan '!)Ut the Chait: tn a 1110et embar~aaai~g position in the sense that one does not wlah to rule am a potnr of order with any matter eou~erning ~he Lord's Prayer, or indeed any prayer.

Row2Ver, ther e is a standing o Tder to the effett ~h at one 'l!t'lva te lllll!l!lber 'lila}' O'ftly have one resolution on the Ordf!r Paptt at any -o.ne ti~~~~t. MR. WELLS: To that, Mr. Speaker , ~tght I suggta t that perhapa by leave we allow the hon. member to 11\tro.d uc:e t~e 'l'QoluU.<m. SCM£ liON, MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. P.OBE'RTS: Let us 111ake 1t a g4lvemaent 111Dtiot'l. HR.. 'WULS: All right then , lf leave is not ~ranted ~ will make it A government ~otion. ANSWE'BS TO QUES'l'TONS FOR WHICH. NOfiCS HAS !SEE!i GIV!N: MR. SPEA'KER: The h~n . the Premier . Hll. MOORES-. Mr.

Spealcet, in .enner tD a q~.~e st.ion by the hon, 1llelllbe-r f roa Burin-flacentilt concern.ing negotiations fo~ the sale of Atlantic i'isherie l! in karystovn, 111ay I juat say that neeotiatione have beet~ ~ing on for so.e ti~~~e with varloua co111paniea and prospective buyera. 'The.ae. propoaal.8, before any soLution or any 4ecls ~o u is ·~ade will be studied carefUlly, part ;lc\llarly as to how t:bey 'll1ll refl-.ct. the ftnanc:ia;l. respoc.aihility of the 'Provinc e and the obligation of the pre.aent operatoT.

Further tnfon~ation as it be.<:OI!Iea ava;tlable I wi.ll gl.adly WIBke avajl,.able t.o tlw! non. w.elliber and to thia !louse. One ot.her thing. r ~gllt say, S~r. at tbia t11111t iB that. the very ms,ny 'written <if\lestions that we have t-o 4116\tet:• we will. be .answ~ril\g &ale of thelll now1 by next ~ek we will b1! able to get: !.nto tne111 J.n S0\112 "bul.k A~d SQI!Ie. detail, MR. SPEAXER: The boa"'" Minister of Education. RON. W. HOUSE: A question 722

December 1, 1975 Ta11e 293 PK - 1 MR. HOIJS'E yesterliay f"C0 111 the hem. K~aber from Trin1.ty-!ay ~e Verde CM.r. f. Rowe) regard:iug the e11eurpt!ons from school asseslJments. There is no spec:if,!a re[tUlatLon aud leJ:iS'lation that 111akes it tncumb ent. on boards to have the exelll!>t:ione ~hat al'll! enjoyed by th~ sohool. tax .authority . They nave their OV1\ ~g\l.letWDS r but not.hi11g prevents them froe applyin g ~t. In many ca~es, I think, ~1! ~he cases r checked ~th they are applying the •~ Tegul~ttons. 000 MR.~E~ The bon. Leader of the OppDSitf.on.

MR._ROBER:'l'S: The hon. gentle111an has nQt ~tau ol'al. .questicn 1 he may have s notice of motion. 1 tbou~h r at this point in tiMe that ve are au t o the anawerin~ of ques tions~ I think. answers of questions~ AgTeed . MR ~ SPEAKER : Agreed . The bon . Miniatet ~f Justi ce. HOM.:..!· A. HtCtr.MIJh Mr. Speaker, I M.ve the answers to sevenl questtol'ls nere, )ueRtion No . 52 - Hoo. ~r.~ l:i'mallwoo(l (Tw11Ungate) To ask the b6n .

Premier to lay upon the Table of the House the fo~lo~ing it~cfol'11Jatton: If and 1~hen the govel'rtlllll!nt i ntand. to introduce "legislation to permit the wameo of Newfoundland to serve both civil and criminal juries ~rt o~r Courts s~d tn remo?e anr prope~ry qualifications with respeet to aelect1on •s a juro1: " 1 as de~ded by rhe present Minister of Mines and Energy on M.-rr:.h 11th .• , 19111 MR. H!ClO(AN: the anST~er to Question No. Sl is that Act " o· 76 of 1971 amended t ht Judicat ure Act to remove ~e property qualificatiqne for jurors and to permit wmen to &it on jura~. Question No. 53 -Mr.

Small.vood (Twilllngate) lo ask the. lloa. the PrG~ieT to lay upon the Table of tile l!ouse the following i nformat ion: If an vhen ttte Government '~!ill intJ"Oduce legi1llation ''to ptovi de t hat ~eople chosen to serve on juries will re ~tve adequate pay fo r '"""'3 I C.

Decemb~r 3, 1975 'l'ape 293 PK - 2 the time 5pant in Lhat duty or to require employe~s ~o eon~in~ pay,i:nt eiiiPlOYIII«I!I theic regu lar wa.se.s or sala'd ,ea dur.int -periods of 1 ury duty 1 SCI that the vol:'ldng man o-r woman \rl.l.l not auf fer by ~he loss of tlle1r day's -laY if •elected for jury duty " ae ltldvoeated bJ tlte preaent l11n1eter of Mines and Energy on March lltb - • 1.971? ~· lUCKMAN ~ The answer to Question No. 53 is tbllt Aet No • .58 of 1974 amended the J udicature Act to require e~ployera to continue paying e111p"}()yees their 'llsge.s during ti~~~e absent froe work for jury duty or i~ s ubpoenaed ~s a ~tneea during tt.B spent attending court as a witne se.

Ques~ion No . 54 - l~r. Smallwood (~l.ling11te) To ask the bon.

P:ret~~1er to l .ay upon the Table o£ the Rouse the following inf'o'l'!lft4t1on: If and when the Gover~nt: rl).l ",aaend the laws of Ne'llfoundlaad to per.1t any person convicted und~ r any of our l aws and sentenced to a fiDe ot: illl!'risonment. to arrange to pay the fine J.n instalments over oo t hat per~ons convi cted Vho do not have tbe financial inacme will ~t ~tOJD•tic:Uly go to jail in Uev of their payment of & fine " , aa requested by the present MiniateT of llfnes and !ne:rgy on Mn:cb ll •• 19711 Answer to Question No. 54. on the o-rde.r paper of the same date .

Sec tion 89 of the S~ry Jurisdiction Act 11enrl.t11· court, Courts of

Summary Jurisdiction to allow time for ~eyment of a f~ne or permi~ the fine to be Paid in inst~menta. Question No ~ ~8 - M~ . Smallwood (twillingate) - To ••k the bon. P~eaier to lay upon the Table of the Rou•e following infor~tion: If and whl!n the ~overmroe,t will 1ntnxiuee legisl a tion " ~ uc.ablish a 1~ ~efor~ Comaisaton with eo ~etent personnel whose jobs it W*Uld be to review the l aws of Ne~foundland, both statute and othervi$e , to and regulat i ons \)assed b:y govern'IIMint. ~ to eneut:e tbe1.r fatrnasa and Hareh lltl'lr, 1971?

" MR. _Rl~ An&Wer t.o Oul!st.ion No • .58, A<:t No. 38 of 1971 established the I<IC!Wfoundlillld Law Jlefo11a Co11:1111ssiol'). lillt1ch ia to enquire J"(\to and consider 111atters t'elating t'O re:fon of law judical .and

PK - l tro.1asi judical n rot-.E;Jlure~ or an:v ->~uh,1ect refened t-y the Hinb ter of Ju;u:ic~. Quescion }!o. 9h - 1~. 'Smalhtn<ld (Tw 1lltn ~:a t~ ) - To ask t he hon. 14inlste r of J'ustlce to lay Ul'Ott t)le Tabh of t ha House the folJ.o.,ing 1nf1u:1natf on: P.ow man~· cases have. l>e.P.n hea r d tn the Appeal Uivts1on of the ~upre me Court ~ince it ~aR constitu~ed7 The answer to Question No. 9fi ~n the Order Pa~e.r of the · ~arne dav directed to me bv the han. member f rol!l T>o.illJ.n11.nte (nr . SmalhTilOd) is that no cases ha"e l11~en hea rd . OuMt ion No. ~7 - Hr .

Small-wood (Twilllngote ') - 'l'o a!lk tfle lton . m nl.stlit: o'f Justice to lay upon the Tab l e of the House the follot.,in~t information; llow manv c:omlieclons have been established in dbJ)e cases itt the Province. tn eat~ of the financial yeara l97o-1975? tnt. H r r:niAN: - · ---- - Hr.

Soeake r , as t indicated -ye~terday ~o this lion. llou!le prosecutions under the Narc:o t1es Act or the liarcot1c!: Cooc~ol Act do not come ~ itht n the jur1A d1ction o f t~e ~~c:.e ~or ~nder my deoa rtment. t have to rel y on Stat i stics r.en qda fo r this tnformation. ln 1970 the ~e ~~re thirty-five convic t ions fo ~ cannahiA, thTee fo r control dru~s and fou~teen for tbe use of re 4trictive dntii.R, that i!l r .. s.n, l n 1971, lBO cann ~b i s, cwo control dru~s, t•·1ent:Y-fivE>.

L.S.T,l.: in 1972, four addictive, l!l'l cannabis, six- control drll jt~;. t\<ent:""five reflt ric:tiva; 19 73, three addict!~. 409 cannab is , tN'O crmtroi dru~~;s, t h ineen re,;tr1ct 1vc, a~a.in L.S.O. 1974 , one for ad dl.ct, i-v~, 11 ~ cann abfs , three COI\tr ol drug;~, ten r:est.ric ted . 725

Dea~ber 3, 1975 Page 1 - 1lnit 'Mr. Hickman . tl4 for ~annabis, 1975. addic t-Lve l, cat~nabis 105, co n~rol drugs z. l:'e9 trictive 14. MR. ROBERTS: These are all posse$1on~ MR. KlClCMA..'i: These are poes essioJl, yes, l'tr. Spulter . Que !I tion No. 100 - Hon . Mr.

Smallwood (Mll ingate ) r ~ o w many divorces ~ete granted in each of the financial years 1970-75t MR. l:II.CKMAN": Again, I have r el:ied, fo-r tbe i nfomS1:.1on of the House, on St.atisr1cs Cana d..r, because. of t.he length of time 1 t would take offid.a:1s of t:be. c.ourt to get this t.nCil:rmntion together. h . 1970 , 140 divorces \o'ere g-Tallted; 11'1 1971, l :SO~ in 1971, 17.7; in 1973 1 224. ~or 1974 and 1975 the stetistieG are not yet available , b'.it as soon as I can get the, I !.~ill g.ive them to the House: . QuestLQn No . 101 -~n.

Mr, Smallwood (Twllling ate): Bow many ~sea there were of legal se~aration of marriage in each of the financial yeats 1970-19757 MR.. BIC!OiAN: M~. SpeakexJ there is .no record keot . Mnat, if not: all, separations - MR. ROBF.Bl'S ~ Private agreem.ents between two parties. MR. HICKMAN: - cQD!e. to pass by way of separation ag-ree111ents Ettecuted bet,wee ll. the pat: ties . There is no law or no r equirement or no pTOY.i:s'lon for Tegtsf!1rat:ion o£ separation. ag-reements and conseqlu~nt. Jy ~this k.now-l,edge ts not known ro m.e or tu offid.ale J.o my depattt'!\ent, and we have no ·way of kn09ing.

Question ~o . ll8 ,. Ron ~ lir. S111aJ.lwood. ('I'willil\ga~e): If he has authorized any police for~a in Newfoundland to bug the telephone or telephones of any peraou ia th:La Province, and if ao hov eany ; 8Jid have any police fo rces done ally 11ugp;t.oc of telet>h.ones witnout the authori~ation of the Minister, 1~ it lawful for any poliee force or forces to bug e;elephones in Newfou11dland w1 thout the Mtni>ltPl' '111 authorization. MR. HICKMAN: rhe answer is , aect1o~ l?S (22}. subsection (5) of the Crimi.nal Co~ of Canada pro.tfdes s ucb information be 111ade 1>ublie as 72f;}

De:ee.mbe·r 3, 1975 Tape. no. 29io .s~on as poaaiole. after ttl~ end of e.aeb ye.~ , and the same 9ract.iee 1.s that ti!hidt l.la!; foll01.1ed last _year, namely,tlle. tabling o~ s,ue.h. inf'trrlllll:.tion 'ln. this n~n. House will be Strictly adhered t.o. 1'1R. SPEAKER: ~IR. ROBERTS; MR. SPEAKER·: MR. ROBER.'rS"'l ORAL QUESTlO~S: The· hon. Leader of the Opposition. I<Je «Te 0~ the question l'el"lod, are WE. 1 O.:el ·<J.ues tions, T,Ae 'b.ort, Leade.,:- of t:he O!fPosi:tion , Thank ynu , M:y que.st'i~m. Sic, is i"o·r; the Premier.

Could the Premiet: tell the flouse, S;f,r, wh.etneT" 1nstr~,tct:l.ons . ha'lte been issued to 'Shut: dr;xm •Cit: to demo'b.Uft.e ,. tJpi.ch r think is the word the pre&s hRVe q~oted an off!Ci~l of the R~Bro Corpo~tion as using, to demobilize the .Lower Churchill project:!- eit:.her in respect of t'he hydro generau ,ou port~on at Gull lsiand 1~self o~ the transmission pnrtion? MR. SPEAKER r T}le non , PremJ..er .

MR. 'MOORES; Mr , S11eake~;, ~he /11\s\•e~ is thac as w-as announced iti this Hou'?e some d.a.ys ago, ~e Lower Clw"t'chill or t::t.e Gull J;slacd 8jdro pro,1ec.t has been deferred f01: -at leas ,t one y~a·r . Nov1 there are certain contc-acts ~h;u: have b'een le·t liP uJ1tU u6w.

The cancellation of tho!;l.e cont~a~ta in some cases may be al~ost as mueh as if they we~e finished , That is something that is being studied .at tile 11resent time . 1 ll:ave beeq ln touch Vit-h rhe pff:td.als of l:tydro 1, and I' will have a full sta.ternenr on r th~nlr. wbat rhe hon. l.eade-r of t:ll~ OpposLtfoo is asking totna·uaw . •iJl.. ROBERTS-r !ctr". Speaker, 1 th an!< the Premier, but. a supplaentary question .

He has obvioUsly heard the same' pres.s repurt as bavi! 1o.•e all, and would !'le untlertake to f"ind out just: what the status is:, because l under.stand my colleague . from E·agle River has a SLlpplementary question as weil, but we are told that the·re have been layoffs and contrat.ts ca.nc.elle i\ aod so f ort.h . ln otl'leli" wot"ds every 1!\)pe.arlil'\Ce 'has heen given that the project ts not. just ba!nt S'J'Un oUt a~ the 'M:1nister of 'Mines anti rlnergy 12.7

Oece=her l, 1975 tap11 JW. 191. 'Page 3 - IN seeD~e<l t:o indicate when ,be 11poke on l'riday past, but r.athet: th3~ it bcs been terminated, pmsst.'bly t:o be :restarted ., but b.ae been terminated as with a eut off, l'!R. l..tOOltES: Ae: I have safd, Mr. Speaker~ I \dll have to get tha tot.al illfomation to make a ful.l sta:t.ement tolii.C!Tl:OW, 1 think 1.t: uou1d. be more logical. to do f.t: tb.at way, because ar this time I do not have all the 1nfo'f'1!18.ti.ou, and I thi~ ill the inform.at.ioo. slwuld be available . MR. SPEAKER~ The bCill. lle!!lber fo'r Lal'oUe . MR . NEARY: M~.

Speaker, 1: would lib! to put a queatioll to tlle Mlf.nleter of lo~a-tr:f and Agriculture, Sir. iltJuld the llduieter inform the Rouse that ill vit!\7 of the i~~.CTe&Se ill feed pdees haY1! 4lll!ered the fa:rmers. and they ~&ve aaked the gove~t to investigate or t.o un~rtake an il!llle41ate investigation of COlii!Jarative pdce.a in tbe A.tlallt:tc ProViunes. would tne min.!ste 'r indicate to the Bouae what. aetion luis been tWn oa this nquut:'! 72B

December 4, 1975. jUl - 1 MR. S'Pf:AK£R: The h on . minister of POCeStT'V and Agrlculrure. 'MR. J, .ROUSSEAU: 1'1'1:. Spealce.r ~ I met yeetuday wi th the Federation of Agriculture and they extended the eou rt~sy to me wn lc~ I very much ~pp~ecia te of g~ving ae a copy of the lengt hy press r elea£e tna.t WCI$ issmH'I 80'!!\et-itne yes1:erday 1 I assume. And we spent a co uple of hourl!l witl'! the executlt ve membe~s of the Ferleration ta1.1dns about the ques tion of feed prices.

We a~e certainly very concerned that there l}as been some de c rease s in the p rice of s ome gud.ns which is refl ected i n decreasea :l.n Uvestocl: feed 11'l the Maritimes but appar ently i t is reflec ted hete with increases in livestock feed I' rices, as: tbe Federa tio n s ugge st:.ed U1' to $25 a ton "Iillich on an amount of $ 160, $170 h; quite an ~ens!ve a11101111t. So. we are- 'MR. SMALLWOOD : The lnct"ea~ is on ani111al and poultry feed, not. just 11vestock, ant.al and poutty . ~IR. ROUSSEAIJ: l!.i2ht. Animal and l)Oult.ry , okay , a nimal and pou l try . So we are quite concerned about it.

We certainl y inten d t o =plore all aven.\Je&. We wil l act and -.re c OIIIIrltt.ad that: t'o the; federation yesterday. What our jurisdiction is, we will be, certa1.nl t 01e vill be aoo t:actin g- the l.i:ve.stoclc. Feed Board in r e11pe.et aJ i t attd we will U>ok at 1t f ro111 a j)"t'OVinci al point o f v:le'cl.

We are eaoee:roed not on.l.y as a 1:esnl.t of that but also because it will ref lect cer t ainl y hig~e~ prices f or tfie consuuer 1~ Newfoundland 1\Thich i s also a conce-rn, 1 am sure , of lilY hon . eolle.&!!lle. the Mio!at er of 1'rov.lnc1al Aff:U:rs . t\nd we wUi cer tainly do all we can to see what the pYoblem 1slt1rst of all~and they made certain ~equesta of government. I .f ind e.ed t hese incTeases were ,a.rranted they 'have ~~~ade & reqneat of u11 1and 1f they are not. varca:nt~d they hava made a:aot.her re~uest of u11.

So we are goin g to check lt out arui find ()ut if they indeed ue wa:rrS!Ited a nd then frona the r• ()n ~e.rumeot ~:i ll have to take it u.ader considaration for appropr iat~ action. MR. SPEAKER: The bon. llll!lllber for Eagle Uver . MR. I. STRACHAN: I wish to dire<:t. my questio n to the M.1ni.ster of 729

December J , 1975. 'hpe l95 ltH - 2 Ttan.Spo~tstion and CoiiUD.Unicattons. ln v!ev <1f -cbe fact that the ministet visit ed the Gull Ialanil road over tlla 'll'eelJ:end as a tnel!lbet of a task f()r~e wtth the l'Urpose of studying the f eaaib ilit.)l of k.eept ag ctre 1:0ad open dur.tnp; tile wdnter, can he explait~ why "Lundrigan's, 1;1h(l ha1Ve the contract to 'tllaintain t11e f1r.st fifty trlles, pulled out 'i111111ediately after hi~ visit? MR. SPEAKER: 'l'he hon, '!ld.nister. HON. J . MORGAN : M~.

Speaker, first of all I did not visit tbe rosd becveen Gull Island and Happy, Valley as a me111ber o.f the task forc .e. l went there as ~nist~ of Transportation and Communication&. And secondly , the task force has been a9po!nte~ to look into the poss~~ility and the feasibtlity of kee:ping the road open for. the purpose of noens- pot'tiltg gocms . ottly . information ~d whetbe~ o£ not Lundrigan~s or any othe r contractors in t he al:'ea ~t-re availal;> le. or not at this tim is not :pett''lili!.:Ut to the 1nformat~on be~ng gathered hy the task force . MR.

Sl'EAKER; The hon . me~~~ber 'f'QT Baie Verte-Whi .te Bay. MR.. :r. :RIDEOUT : Mr. Speaker • l1l'f .que.st-io.n. is for tib.e Minis-ter of Health. Has the Proviqc.ial Government thtough t,ne 111ind.s't~t 1 s ?e,pattment g.i~ any fl.nanc.!.al neip tO> the NewfoutJdland and t.abrador FaJntly Pl.atuctng Association to help it expand Us prog.ra:mmes &~t:QSS t'h(; :Province? MR . SPEAKER: The lion . Min.istel' of aeal.th. MR. 1l. COLLINS: ~h-. Speakel::, ve nave reeeived ~ c:bpy of a b-c.ief f rom th~ 11"11111il1 l'lann.i..ng Atlsoeiation. Just v'hat act1.on rill be r~ken re11ai:!i8 ~o be. seeu , MP. .

SFF.Al<ER; The bon . member for Lewis~q£te • .N:R. F. W!UTE: M:r:. Speak~. 1 have t1 question for the Minister of Health in his capacity as the member fol' Gander. eouid the minister tell the ll:oll'se 'lfbem .er or not the amount of $200,000 ot: any amount has been app:r;;~ by govenunent - ltR . SPEAial.R: Order, t>Lease! 011deTJ please! .AN liDN . M;1l'UIER: 'Not allowed' ~ Not: ~Howed~ .MR .• ~LS: M.r, Speaker 1 1 be-ll eve t:he question snoul.d be .as ked of 730

Ueeember 3, 1975. Tape 29.5 lUI - 3 the minister as ministe r and not 1-n nil'l capacity a.s member. The <!uest:ion should be directed to the lllini ste-c wit'hin whose pu-ntlew t!l a t f .teld is, Mil. S'PI!AKER : Order, -p lease~ Was the hon. g~ntll!ll!an to my right wiShing to speak on th~ point of order1 ~. WHITE: No. MR. SPEAKER: Then I wou1d 11\o;;e U> settle the point of o-rder before ve proceed. lt is ~uite clear that a question to a minister must be a ·quest:iou on '3 matter within his area. of m.inister:lal re.spon­ sibllity, wit~in tbe area for which he ba5 m1oisteria1 responsib!li~.

The hon. member fro m Lewisporte •. HR. \<miTE '~ I~ that case, Mr. Speak6r. I will ask tha Govern~nt Rouse Leader. the act ing l'linister of 'Rec~at1a:n . IX)Uld the mlnbter tell the '&use whether or u~t the wmount of $200 ,000, e ither 111 gtaut or loao, h.s been approved for the construction of a golf course in Gander ? MR. WELLS! lio , tbal: I cannot tell the lllembu: at the 1110ment, Kr. Speake r, hut I ~1 find out. I will find out and 1.nform the House . MR. SPP..!ICER: The hou .. meaibe'r from Twill.ingate. MR. 51-IALLWOOD: In the.

IIIOIIll!ntary absence of the hon, tl\@ PTellliet: r wonder if the Leader of tbe House could even take my question as notiee.

The question i s :!s th~e and lf so what is the lateat est~mate of the cost of transporting paver fr~ the Upper Churchill a~ross Lab~dor and across on to ~e ~~rs~t of ~elle Isle nnd down tbe Unrth West Coas t of Newfound"Land to the connecting {'Di nt ,t~hL:ih I be.lleve . is Deer Lake, what' woula be the cost to J>e added on to the p1.1rehase -pr!.ce of power to be brought at the Upper Chu~eb11l and transpo rted to Nev found­ lll!ld'[ Hew much would be added to the purchase price by the cost of transporting - pert)aps tonsport.ing is not ctnite t'he ward.

Would the Leader tJ f the House r.ue: that as not.ic:e and perh. ap!f the Premier. in the absence of t:he Minis t er of Mines aud Energy, ~auld g~ve us that very vita.l in fonnat1on fin: a debate tbat is c:t>lliug up t ~ - WELLS: The b on. member means, I presume, th~m the. cost in 1dls of transndsston , 73~

necember 3~ 1975 lll- 1 Nl',. SI''ALLWlOT>: No , mils per k.:llow.att nour. ffP. r,rnr,L~: 1'-~lll p~r 'kilowatt:: hour? •·•11. Sl>1ALL!<fbrlD: Ves . !AT'. !m.,LS: T thank ygu~ vn . SPEAKEP: 't'he hen. mero~eJ:' f'oy Conc~pt:lon !lay S ~:~ubh (Mr. ~oJ an). ~'ll . !!OLAN!

Yes , a quest'!:on ., ML Speaker, to t.he Yi nisce~ of Tr{l!'!sport:at;ion =<' \.clml'llnications. ·~ wonder if the minister could suppJ y us with some 'infc.rmadcm rep;M:'iifng Ms i!epartment 1 s policy as !~ refers ro pub1:1.c ut:llltJes coi,TlpanJes1 namel y t h!il Ne,.f<nnHllanfl Li!;lhr: and PoNer or t-lle telephone company, when they tear- up 'raods , as they h.ev~ <,lone !or ex;mlp:le , Qt1 Tops~;tik. l{oad. what is the prooe tlure fo.r tbe deparbnent anc:J wrat poU'o~es IOlo Jot~ nave \:O r;Te<~l '-':ith the s ituation $t'l that dl!!! road t,rill be put b ack in t:he same shape or as nearly, close to l:be .sa,a>e s)lape as l t \7as P'reviously"l I <tm s11re the mini.ster knm.~s that; th.!s i s a problem that was stated by the St.

John's ~un i cip~l r.ounc i l today relating to streets in the city but it is also a p'roh1em outsic1e t.he C'i.ty as I am sure he k-no1~ s, not only i'Cl the area I represent h ut in many oth eT part·s o,f the Provinc e as '-'ell . l t.muld appreciat e any such ~nfo~ation~ Six. rm. ~ORGM\ t I will c-ake h as 11ot ke. '11. SPF.Al{E·P.: The hon. member for LaPoile ("'r. Neaey). m. ~MY: l wmld Hke to put a queAtion , Sir, Ml the }•inister of l"orestry anf,l At•tr:iculture. could the ndniste'r in-form tfte ltouse how 1'!any pel'1llits have ~~n issued to .. date for the export of Nevf'oun<;ltand.

Chri!!tmas trees to the PIJ.~in,Jat\O of Cana~a and to the Unit.ed States, and ~mere these t~ees, in what part of Newfoundland these trees a~ goi ~g t Q be cut? !Y!P.. SP .EAKE~ : The hon. M"ini.st:er of Fot:estry and Agdculture. MR.

J!OUSS.EAU: f'lr- St>eaker~ (6u tside of the Pro~fnce , yes?) one was i ssued to Vine ·la.nd tor 20.,000 trees ! be·lieve . 1 l,lftderstand t i)at tl'!ey "all'e conip1e.ted th.e CUtt::1.'ng and SO)lle 8.,000 tl'eeS welte coll\pleted , on chat pem1.t., !l>ono out of. the 20,000 allowed ~ Th:!s in effect ~as a pilot. project to find out ~hethe~ we ~id indee~ have an e'ltroor s tracle :in tl>e Chr;lstl!'as 'tree tnarket . it Is a part of cae 732

ne.ce.mber 3, 19'5 Tape 196 lB-2 of the things tha~ was identified 1n the Feder_aJ.-Pravtnct.al Task For ce on Vorest:Ty. 1·;\e had ten men 1 t:be fOV<am'l!lent had teo men el!lploy~j'l ill that T!l'Ojee~ mainly because of r.he fae~ that IJc wanted ~o bave ~lJ the information avatLeb!e in respect to the poss ibility of an export ia ~his particular type of resau~ce. !'here l•las anothe-r one iss ued for some 2 ,OOfl trees. 'l'be permit has nor been issued, but permission was -given and tbe petl"lt was co be ap('lied for to tb.e un.it fo rester in the area.

Up to this <Ia te rbat pem·i ~ h~s not been lllppl ted for. That is SQ!IIewhe-re 011~ in th~ Paday's ~Qod area. 1 think. Rut tbe first oae, the i nitial mu~. for 20 ,00(1 crees of ••bi c.h 1!,000 ~~ete cut was in the Sal ntOlt:ler area. l might: sJ,so l!'ent:J,on thts h a t~Hc t project. He will certainly keep a close eye on it.

W~ have some indication thac the coneUll".er preference today o( cours e is for the cultivated tr.ee ~owp ln ~ore of plantat ion type condition$ which woul d have co he rev,trla't' b fer.t!lh:e~ and sheared froll'l e.!!rly age. 1-Jitl\ the Wil<l tTee.'i! chat tore 'have there are some rrroblem s, but hopefully frmu what ve have Jearnei! n<n' as a res~1l t nf this pilot project, and ba.sec! on the fact that lte t1o nave .cwm~ funds in our subsidiary agreE>Jnent for thAt type of tb~n~. we ,,-f.lJ take a lock mui assemble the inf ormat i o\1 e<arly ::1:1\ the Jlel" r e..,r and see whether indeetl 1,1e l:lavP. • viable elCpon ln~ust r y i n tP.is particular re souTce. ~I'll.

SFEAKER: The bon. me111ber for Eagle Fiver (~1r, St rach an). MR. SMALLlo'OODr t•r. ~peal~er - lfl' . ,!;PF.AKEP. : O~der, please! I have recagn.ized the hon. ~Uember for T.agle Rivet (~ •,. . Strach an\. ,.m .

STRACHAN: To the l'fin:is ter of Tran&p4ttst :ioa and Commun1cat:iot1e; c:an ~be. 'lllin1scer e.Xpla1.o -..my et~t t emeot~ t.Q the effect that vor'k on the Gt\ll Island road anrl the road to 'F.slte-r vill be reswucd i1\ the 5pTin8 are not,• being matte to angry Happy Valley "".oose Bey -res iden,t s ~l\.el1 {'It 1:hl s m<;nnent a convoy ('If heavy equip!!!ent is lllOVit\g \lle:st Oil~ of Y.abr11doT toto nuebec t(l be transpo rted by t'uil to Seven l 5lant1s <~nd then bad<, to the Island? I n other •..er os , 1~ill the l!li nistex 733

111- l tell this Rouse if ~t'k - 1CJt. SPJ!.AKRi?: Order , please! Qt:c!er, please! t>erl'!aps ~ at a tilne. MR. ~!ORC"..AN : Vr. fipeak er, ! ~ould like t o lltllke. :it. ou!.te. clear that tbe ~ad co113tructicm work ft'<711l Happy '~'alley to the Gull Island site is not undet: ju'(i.!;ldi cU.on of lilY departme.'l.t. l'y depatblen t "Is& not invtllved in design of tfu! t road vitlt re ~uds to en gineering wor"k nor letting o! a contract for tile reccnst=ct.ion of that road . J1R.

S1'MCJI.AN; II s\lpplmnenta.ey ~ !s t~t t h e. ~;eascm wltY the. minister ilr-oppetl the 1~r~ 1t.abrailor 1 ftnm ha lette.rh end? l!p. SPEARER: (lrdr:r, "{llear;e ! l"lrdez·. plea se! The hen. gen t leman ha:s alre!fdy been called to order with resp ec t to that t ype of debate en quest:iens wit111n a da.y or 010, and w"hen other hon . gentleme~ have been eallid to o~det they have tQ tne best o£ ~ knowledge obs~rved tha t ruling acd ! would req ues t that the not.. gendemat1 <lo so a9 well, The bon. member for 7Will:1nga t e ()(r . Smal l'Wtloi!} . 734

Dl!cel1!11er 3 1 197 ~ Tape 11'0, 2.97 NH - 1 MR.. SMALLWOOD!

Would the Minuter of Lndust r ia1 8Jid Rural l>evelop11e11t, or whatever i~ the prop e~ title, tell us if he ~a eoneidering activel y among h1B various plAns for developmentin tbe Proviftee , based on the natural re.sourees of the Pravinc:e, ~ivf.ng .any active thought arising , out of t h'!. repl y ve got. from the 1'-J.J\is ter of Forestry and .Agriculture a moment ago , any active tnougbt t o the idea of promoting and assiattng and helping and helpiog to f!nanee tree farms in the Province, the aetual establishment of tl!ees by tu:ivate ente.rpTise, establ.iabment of far~~~e to g'tOw ChriJJtma11 trees'?

Novae he IIIUat blew-and l lmov that it is o ~ t of ord.er for ate to give inf o ~t,ion, I Alii hare to seek it-but does he not know that in ~ parte of Canada and the United S ~tes such tree fa ~s f or the Christmaa trade are well es~ablished and quite prof£tab1e? MR. S!>F.AKER: The tum. l"..inl.s~er ( ox: Rtreal and lndustrial DeveLopllllei\t, HON. J. l.I!NDRlG~ ; Thank: you, Mr. Speaker . 1 really el)'llrec:.iate rhe interest of the bon. gentleman in the development f1eld and I would lixe to a~sure hl111 that. t11e Min!stttr of F~estry and Agrieul.ture and his offi cials .

IIIOTI!. .so than lilY officials to elat e , have done a tremendous amount o f vork in tlliD are.a and H ther~ is anybody in. the Prorlnce cnat baa an int erest iu• been involved in any kind of a venture of this na~re, my depa rtmP,nt which is basically a fund ing area,~f you ~uld, would he mor~ then willing ro eo-operate ~d encourage, ass~st with research knovledge and even tb the point of finan cial asslst~oce . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. aember for '1\r!llingete. MB.

SMALLWOOD: 1 as k the Minister of Forestry and Agriculture 1f he would mast ene rgetic ally and actively and s~pathetically col~abo~at~ on h:ts part, with his c.-olleap in a joint eff ort t.o see U sCI!De te-ee farm151 cou;Ld not be esca.bliehed . God knOW'& ve nave tlte land. God knows ve have people who know how to grov ~r~es and God knovs we b.ave peo ple l"ho know how t o cut and pack tl\.e~~~ , J.IR. SPI!1A)(ER; The hon. l1iniater of Forestry al\d Agrl cul tor~. ( MR.

ROUSSEAU: Pirst of all let me asaure the hon. ~er for Twillingate that there is no way that any of bis colle agues can get outt~ide the grup of the. bon. Minister of Rural <11\d lndustt:bl Developllletlt on llltyth'ing l ike t his. Be is ort o\lr back moat of the titlle· The t'(iint .,.,5 r <J

December 3, 197S Tape NIJ. 197 NM - 2 is \..ell taken , ~!r. Speak~-r. We know "DOW ~hat trees grcnrln£ fn the wild s~~te wtll not provide t~e 3ort of custo~er p~f~rence, tha~ i s one, that we are going to have to de some thlnnl~ g , that we are going to have to do some fertilizing, some ~hearing and that sort of thin g in order to make it a viable export 1Darltet. We need l arger treea, the tops of which in certain ins tances are not. suitable.

So from. t:M i.nfo't'IIIBtlon we have now aci!UIIIib .ted and £rol!l tb~ cu&toaer p1::ef.ex:cces - see, we. wtll. go from tner~ but undoubtMly thare will have to b~ deaisnation of area in re$'pect. to the tnrport, the cuttiD8 of tlleae tteea and the e~port thereof, heaause of tne consumer preference , MR. SPB.AJ:ER: The non, telllbeT for Burgeo-Bay d 'Espotr , MR . SIMMONS: Mr. Speaker , I have a queation for the lUni&ter of IndustriAl Development. I understand be indicated to the press yesterday that ~ group vas about t o be eonstituted to loo~ into the Bu~soo platlt e1tt1B.tion.

I wonde~ would be ind i cate 'llheth~r the gToup baa been constituted as of now etld if eo who the meebers of the gro\11) are ? MR. SPEAKER: . MR. LUNDIU.CAN: 1-!R. RICICMAN: KR. LUNDRIGAN: '!lie hon, H.1n1ater of Induatri~l Development , H~ . Speak.e:r, ~he. group hiU! pot be~ consu~~~&ted . Constituted .

Constituted. appointed. declal'ed, or ~lta~ever the case· 1111ght be, as of yet· There 11ill be in anot!l e r tva. o r. th r ee days e.ud ~e will h411Vf! a email group o f people wi thll\ government departmen-ts reapcusible for having a very, veyY ~uick look at the situation ~ Burgee . 1 have just nad a. te.legr&lll frolll the eo~cU aad I bave indicated to them that. a fir= decision wtll b6 made, based on this investilation and the otbe~ kinds of 11ork dane by my colleague and friend, the present Miutstn of l'1Aant.e - MR. DOODY: You want ro chec k out of ~ work. :MR. L!.JID)IUGAN l ~ ft.

Till decision will be 'Glade, There is QO i ndication fTOIII governaen t of backing avay fro111 the deve l op111ent reaponsibili.Ues of the fbhery in lhu:geo. f think the effort t.o date, Yo~J:r Ho11our, by thl• government in essis ~g the ~urgeo people ~aa been we1l demanatrated 736

December ) ~ 1973 i'ape No. 297 NM - J and eec:rainly ve have no intentioua of deviatillg from a coeible'tlt to .~Ju,pon the development. of ffsbLd.ea in tb.ot ax:ea. MR. Sl'EAKER: The bon . J114!11ber for :P~t au Port. MR. SIMM'OttS.: l-fr. S~eeker , a supplement«ey - MR'. SPEAKER: 1 h1.1ve alr~4y n!lllied tbe hoiL• mt!llbe~ for Pon au .Port: so I CCIDl7t nr, we.l..l rescind U. 1t is ll.P to !lie 1.f ~ wiU ~ct. It not t wUl ·have CO· ~t: ba.c'k. to th~ othe"!' !lon. p!a.dt-.a l.ate:r-. MR.

RODDJ):R: A ctueatl.on .fC)'r the M1ai8ter of "Social S en!~. bo you h.ave an an.sveT t.o the question I aak.~ ye•terday regardia.s the CO-St of lntng 1Jlereas e in soc:bl.. ttsstataa. ce payaenh it\ January 19761 Kl. SPEAXER: Tbc bon_, Ministn- of So~ial Services. ~IR. BRETT; Mr. Speaker, 1 adVised t:be 1\.on. IIII!Cber yea-terday tht<t- I would take not 1c2 of tb' queaU.On· .As soon as .l ha-ire' a definite answer l tli.11 gi~ it. MS.. SP!'.AXER: !h~ bon • ..saber for llurgeo--Bay d'Espo ir. MR.. SI.MHONS t. :£ will' get back for a 737

necembe~ 3, 1975. l:ape 298 na - 1 mO~ent to tne ma~er 1 was pursuing Yitb the ~inister o~ Indus trial Developme nt vith a f urther questiol' o r t~o , l tllan~ tlilrt. for his answer and it indicates that he does app r eciate som~ Qf the qrgenc y involved.

He i ndicated tWo o~ fhree days for the constitu~ion of tba ,group I ~~der would th.e 11\irdster indicate to rhe Hovse ..tlethet: the gT()Up would be given s~e partieular deadline or does the minister h!~el f or his deJ)artment h ave ..f.n 11\in.d a l>U"t'icu.lar deacll:ine by which time this study gill have been completed and a decision, , a firm decision. will be 1Mde by the department as to whAt :ls to be done i n Teference. to the plaAt at BuTgeo. NR. SPEAKI>.R: The bon. mi.n.isteh MR..

LlTNDRlt'"..Alll: First of all I beVt! tl.) elqlress 'IllY appree1ation for the t:easonablenes& of the. hon.~ber 1 s ques~ions. l t is a new shift, a new - >IR. SPEA.KER: Order, please! Order, please! I would ~ aug!I';Ut the ho1:1. mlnit~ter JH"oel!!ed to answer the question. MR. LIJNllRIGAN: Yes 1 Your Honour. It is even diffiet~,lt t() be ulce in the !louse today.

In any event , Si"t·, first: o E all we ba~re utli!Ost confidence that the people ~ho will he looki ng at the Burgeo situation will and. do h ave the lt:nowledge, Our feelings 8%\d our interests are thar t'here lDUSt be a very early response to governrne.nt and that response, 1 feel . would be forthcoming perhaps before the end of t~is year wh~ch will enable ue to make a firm decision, a firm commi tment earl~, ver:r early in t:l1e Ne\i Yea t'. ~11L SPEAKER: The hon , me1J1ber for W:tndsot:-:Suchans , MR. G. FLIGHT: Mr. Speaket:, 1SJ'f quesdon is to the l'linis~er of Indusrrial and Rtiral Qe~elop~t.

In view of the minister's reference to th~ promot ion of ~he blueb~rry pieking and processing industr y for Newfound l and, a li!PIIt admirable industry and will benefit my disrrict., certain pans undoubtedly, io keeptng with that type of developmP..nt WO\.Ild t.he ministe~ in'form the l:IOU81! ciS t.o t.he progresl! that has heen made or -wnat ie the status of the balte/lpple :tndua1:ry that was proposed in this House hy the CoaJit of Labrador'! 738

neeember 3 . 1975 Iape 298 llli - 2 MIL SPEAKER: Xhe hoo. minister , 1-tR. l.CNDR!GAK: 11'r. Speaker • I atn M 1: up on the ba\c: ea~ples tod111 r>ut I v:l.ll certainly have a look. at it and research t hrough the department what we have done or vba t we plan to do. Snsically, Your Honour, if I ~ght say the Govarnment of ~e~f oundland are not ~ n a positi on to establiSh any industries in the Province.

The industr.ies or 1-'batevet: happens, "'hedler it -is in bluebet:ties or fish p~'ocess1ng, \>-:ill h ave to be as a result o£ t!,e initiative of the bus i nes s community of the ProVince w ich inclu des every person. And ~e ar e more tnan wi lting to respond, co-operate, ~rovide any kinds of ;~ss tstaru:e necessary to respond to locs.l Newfoundland initi !Jltive in the o.rea of development of our r e60nrces. Sc I would not wa~~ t he hon. member t o get the impression that ~e a~e g oi~g t~ c1evelop. 11S a government:, t:he resources of ~ewfound1and on our own.

It bas t o be a Yesponse to provinci&l peoole 's in.1th .dve. MR. SPEA.Kr.R: The non. member for Exploits, who hos been trying for some dme . MR. liD.LROON!lY.; Mr. Speak er , a quesd.on to tbe Hinieter of Fisheries. 1</ould t.he Minis ter of Fisbe~!es have tabled the list of appl:l c.att 0'11& indicat tog the suc cessful applicanu ruunes , those applicant 'S i nte rviewed and (hose not !nterviewed,for the posit1o~ of fisheries Fegional representative in the competi t ion for Port Saunders? MR. SPEAKER: ! thlnlc that "'ou~d be e qoestion I may not nave b~rd.

Perhaps the han . membeY ~s giving 1 t •s oot:ice or .a qoestlan for tbe Ordar ?at>~ . MR. HULROONEY: 1 asked would he agree to tab Le it. ~IR . SPEAXER: !>nt • CA!O:ER; MR. SPFA.':K.ER : MR. NEARY ~ Well then, if tbe hon . l agree to take the matter under -advlselllent, Mr. Speakl;r . The bon. the lllember fot' LaPoile. Mr. Sp~ake r~ r want ~o ask tbe Minister of Tourism , Si~. if his invea~iga~ion is yet eomplete inLo who made tbe fir st radio bra adc8 st in ~e~oundland ana if so woUld the minister inform the House 1~bp in •ctual facr did make t:he first: radio broadCAst in Ne1~founi:Uand? MR.

SPEAKER; The hon. the Hilrls te.r of T.oudam. l1R • HlCDY ! Y.1:. Spea~r, ::r: think 1 can say that it: ~s- fd rly cerraitl that it r.~as not: VOWR. 739

Dee~t~~l>er l, 1975 RH-1 /e . NEARY: M'R. tnCKE.Y ~ What 'about the 1'~1:!ue..,an you. goj.n~ .eQ- ~aka i t baclt '? That matter is under i.nvestigati ou now and tf\ere will be a sutement !ILBde .in due COW'Se. :MR. SJ'EAD..R: The lton . the Leader of the Oppollidcm.. MR. ROBERTS : Wr. Spe.aicu. a tunhe.r quest ioa i.f I might for the non. the Min~ter ·O! Tourism on a certaittly differenr subject tbo~b. Could the .lldn:t.st er tndtc&te to us wberller the University An Gall.e:ey, t.he Mclllorial Unil7ers1ty Ar:t.

Gallery is to be placed under ~he administrative or otne:r:: C£Jnt~l of tlie Ar ts ~ Culture Ctmt.:r::e, the build :!..-,g in wbicll it i.a located? MR. SPEA.,F.R: The bon. the 't!inister of Tourism . 'MJ!, RICKEY: Mr. Spe.dt.e.r, aP the hot!.. tbe Ptatit;r ·h:tillc.at.ec!, :I think two days a.gn • the.:~e have been solllll me.et:1ugs go:!.~ 0'11 tmd they AR continuing and tlMTe vill be a defif:liti"ft &tate»nt ot pbllc_y Yith tegaTds to all the i ssues pet t ainin& to t.he arts incl~dlng the Art Cdluy, tbe At'tl!l Councils, tbe whGle bit and paeltap . MR.

S'PEA.ICERt The 'h.ou. tl\e llll!lllbe-r for Eagle JltveT. 740

De~e£ 1, 1975 Tape oo. L99 Page 1 - 111\1 MR. STRAC.H/Ul: ln the ,absence <>£ thlilc l'rem1eT and the. l!fini&ter of Mines and Jl.nergy , I will d lrect this qucs don to tlle Mini3ter withou~: Portfolio (Mr. Wells). . Coul d the ~to1&ter ~itbou.t Portfolio (Mt:. Wells) e"ltplaf.n why t>u~inel!SIIle.n in ttle.

Happy Valley - Coosa Bay area, who hav~ prepared themselves to supply tb~ Gull Island operation and t:he road maintenance ope~ation over tbe li1inter hy lnlnging in a large. !nvent:ory of goods and now ths.~ the shipping season has stopped be.eauae a freeze up can do nocblog ~1~ tnese gooas, could ~ou eiplain why chey were not notifie d of the ~ossibil!ty of the approaching shutdown b~fore the shipping season closed? tm.. SPEAKER: The hon. Minister '<1i1:hout Portfolio. MR. WELLS~ 1 weald 8JY 1 Mr.

Speaker 1 on that that the hQn. member in posing his qu es~i on has sca~ed a ser1ee of facts. alle~ed a serieG o~ !aces which, of course, I am nor cer tain are abso1ute1~ cor reor: or not. MR. STRACHAN.: The7 are.

MR. i>',EIJ.S : Wb.a:: 1 l;'Ould say is that the &overmneot l.n makiog these decis ions. whlc.h are carried out Qt would be carried o11t by the 1fewfoundland Uydto, 1~ill make every effort. to ensure that no third ~arUes are prejudiced or baT'Oied by real)on of .any dec.isiotl!l "Which b a•~ to be made in res~ect of the Lower Churchill project. 1 'think peThaps tbe hon. mettJber1 ~ he is coar:e'rn£d, of course. abollt. these pexso ns and these. bustnest!lllen, migl>t foU!Xl-up with a list of the p~rsons concerned to the government, and ~e would ask ~ew~oundland llydt'o to look in t o rr., to :make e.ure that people \~exe not prejudiced. '1R.

S'PEA.l<ER: The. !ton. 11\elllber for Lalloile. !-IR, NEARY: Mr. Speaker, I t1otild like to dire ct o. question tn the Minister of Transportation snd OQmmun!.cation.s, Sir. Would the lldniscer inform the House if ther e ~s any foundaLion to the f act that because of the reduced number of snow clearing crews . thi!l Winter t:hat. tb.e. public safety is i n d4nger1 MR. SPEAKER: O rde~ , please: MR. MORGAN: Mr. Spealcer, there is no foundation to cite fact, bec.ause it: is oot s faet. There ie no reduct:ioo ln t:he snow clearing ope~ations nr 141

December 3, 1973 Tape n.o. 299 Pe~e 2 - mw ice control t the maintenan ce service of rAy depaTtment this \Unter. fie are now in tl'te p~ocess of going to the shtf t syste111 this week, and in two ve.el<s dme 101e lifi l~ have a ful'l compiernent of: men, and we will have o u~ progr~e a~ound the PPOvince o~ganize d , snd I would, 1.-"ight n~. be willing to say one of the best snm~ c.laadng operations ve have ever had in the ProviJice. SOME HON. 1-l&JBERS ~ Heat , hear ! MR. SPEAKER: The hon, me~~~ber for- llurgeo - Bay d 'Esp oir. ~llt. SIMHONS! "fr.

Speaker 1 I want to get back stil..l to t.l\e .se:r-ies of questions 1 was ~ursuint with the Minis ter of Industrial Oevelo~en t relative to the Surgeo fish plant, 1 w-onder. in rle~o~ of the faer this ~ tat~ant was rn.ade outs;1de the House rather than in the Rouse, I wonderr llould he indi<:at.e teo the House wha't the tet'IIIS of 1:efere.nce or what the in&t~uc~ione, what the agenda of this group ~111 be? What wil l b e their assigp,m ent insofar as the ,lant; 15 conee1:ned? What are c.be alternatives they will be conaidering'l J41L SPEAXER: The bon . Minister of "Industrial and R,ural Deve:l,opment., nR.

LUNDRIGAN: ~. Spe<tksr, the teraas of reference al"e quite clear that ~e have asked tthe people lnVQlVed that are nor atl pur in pla~ ye.: to have a dose look at the plant. the exi.Bting plant, the exiatiog facility co see whether in fact there is a refurbishing possibility and basically tha t is che ins tru ction that h~ been given. there bas been ~othing Jllore specific than t.hat . If the bon. member has any rec01DIIIendation as to any instruction or terms of reference or anything of that oat~e, I would be qu!te happy to pass that along to the Gommittee, MR.

SPEAKER: The non. membet: for Burgeo - Bay d r Espo{r. MR. SDIMONS! Mt:. Spe<tke.r • I am not aatiafied 1111 th the. answer, and t would like to deb ate the issue tolliDtrov i n ~he La"t~ show at 5:30 P.M. MR. SPEAKER! The bon. member for Conception Ea-y ~outh. MIL NOI.Ali: Mr. Speal$t. as a 111at:ter of' infocmation , , perhaps thh question shoul d be directed to you o ~ perhaps to the House Leader app osite and that is in connect{Qn wiJ:h tbis painjlhlet, M.r. Speaker, that has !lee"(!. orepa l'ed previous ly over a number o.f yeat:~ for distribution to 742

December ), 1975 Tape no . 299 vtsttors and so on . ts it the intention to prepare sucll a pamphl~r for ~he many qchnols . [ unders t ood , that will be in ~tLendance durtng this session? Perhaps someone could prov i de this tnforma tion? WR. SPEAKER: The hon. Minister without Port folio . 'ffi . WELLS: recognize the !NII!!Phle t ghtch the hoa. memoe.r is holdlnR . and I teQember it uein& in the House ~od distributed in the past. T think tc ls a very good idea,~. Speake r , and !f budgeta ry conside ra t ion« permit no doubt it will be produce d again for d is ~'l"ibution. "'R.

Sl''EAI<.ER: !he ltou . memoeJ: for LaPoile . ~. »'EARY : Mr. S~ea\er , could the Mi nister of Finance, Slr, and the Pres id ent o! t-he treasury Board inform the House what alternative arrangements hAve been made in the even t that Lhe employees of Exoa House and the ~ntal Hospital go on str1ke in a geek or ten liar s time'/ 743

Oecen~ber 3, 1975, Tape 300, "Page 1 -- ll'jlb MR. SPUKER : The bon. the Hintster of Fin~tn c~ . MR. DOODY~ Mr~ Speake r , this ls ooe of the weirder question$ t have heard asked. The employees of Exon House and the Waterford Hospttal have ~ot i ndicated to ~ knowled ge to gove rnment that they have •ny inte ntio n of goin g on strike nex t week nor next ~nth nor next year. ~R . N&ARY: l>!R. DOODY ~ MR.. NEARY: MR. DOODY! We are certainly not goin~ co - Tt,at ts the news . The news or tbe ~ts?

No , tb e n~ is a&Vtft~ that they are going on strike . l beard of one boo. member tn the Nova Scot ia Legi~ lature a few days ago, Sir, say that all t b e f.aets you have just hea rd, Sir , are ~t necessarily t rue. I think this 13 probably t he case in thia uarticu lar instance. The employees at these institutions haYe not i ndi cat ed to us that they have any immediate plans f or going on s trike, I c~~tainly hope ehat they do not . In the ev~t t hat they do, and God forbtd they do not, I am c ertainly sure this ~overnment will he capab le of copin~ with the aituatlon. KR.

SYEAKER: The hon . the .Member for LaPoile. Mr. Speaker, a supple~~~entary question ~:ben. llas the ein iste r Dade a eubstantial. offer to tbe.se employees for rt~a'td pay that t:hey have been asking for in their eurreot n.egoti:a tions to t ry to stave off any oossibility of a eon r~ontati on ? MR. DOODY ! 1 think at t'he t i 111e of the si~lt:\g of the eoll ec t i'fe 11greement betwe en the ~loyees of the WBterford Hoa-plral and 'T'reaa ury Board, tha t one of the outstandttlg { tens vas dae eon tact pay ill sue .

At that time a s pe~al co maisslone r was appointe d vith the ~oneutrenee of tht uiLion and of goVernJllent who looked into it .and suqeste.d a llll!a:t.\1111. - or at 1eas t a aol utton to the problem that vas the~ outstanding. As far as 1 know that solution has not yet b~n pre• ent ed to tbe I!:IJVeml'llent. Certainly it ha.s not been presented to 111e.

Whether or not: tbe solution is acceptable t o the union or to government t a yet to be dete t'l'lirted bec:ause t o lily lmowledge neithe r ha.ye had aeeese to that infonna tto n ~ To pre&UIIIe a str t ke on infonati on that "is not availabl e , yov k~ow, is indeed : lnvtt in~ tTouble. 744

December J . L97S , Tape 100, Pa~e 2 .... ~pb ffil , SP RAKEl! : I thtn~ the thirry minutes hav e e~tred ~Lve or ta~ a second, OQO MR. S'J>EAKF.R: Tlu~ !Ton. r.l1e member fot: Fogo . CAPT. n'TliSOR: ~i~t I bd.n11 to the ~ttention of the hon. the l41niste t of F1sheria s ~estton 623 ~P~eartnn ort the Order Pa~er, to clause 2; g-ive the na!lles of supul:ters and g iv ~ dee namea of f tsheraen - that. should have been the n~es of the number of fishermen. MR. PECKFORD: MR. lo1INSORt liR. SPEA!<KR: CAPT. WINSOR: Cocrect Jt on the Order Paper , ~n, maybe it 1s not necessary to change it.. Order. please! ~ .

S~eaker w~l l rule on it. ~r. Speaker , I ~ 3ure th e ~uestio n a~pears Qn the Order Paper as it was passed t o you~ gffioe but for the henefit of the bon, the Miniater of fishe~ies, Si r , he mav not lifant to have his de-JM1'"t1ftent ~ to all t hat trouble - the nUlllber of fishe-tmeu ill what was intended - ORDERS OF 'THE DAY MR. SPEAKER: 7h1s being P ~ivate M~mber's Day we procee d to the adjourn ed aehare on Motton 5. member for T¥ill1ngate. tbe debate vall lld.journed by the hon. the ~lr.

Speaker, Sir, r have already said that 1 vill vote for this resolution moved by the Lead~ of the O~pos1t1on, and I have already s11id that thou~h I will voce for it I do Mt tM.nk that; this is the wny to acco~lish the pu~oae intended in this resolqt1oq. 1 ~o ~ot tbtnk that: e Select Cr'lmm'itt- of this House, e-n if it wel'e to be tllllde ur of the ablest and mo~t experienced hon, members of the Roose,would be competent to arrive at the answer des1~ed. Nov tn.t the answer is desirable is beyond dia~ute. Who can argue, who can say that we do not want to knov S.n this Proll'inee what is the Provin.ee '• future.

Of course we do. What ac-e the po:.<sibiHties . what is the potential of a ~ Ufe. for !ll~fQundlaad ? We wabt to know tha~, but is a Selec t Committee the best ~~Y to ~ind out 7 Now in spealdp~ b rlafly to tllis resolution t be other day , a ..,et!lc. ago today , I mentioned 1~ ~as sing the name of the famous Sir Alldtew Ray Duncan who waa an Engliehyuan appointed a Royal Coiii!Ltssion of one.. ~Lth s sta~f 1 o£ courae, to exaqine 745

11ecembet 3, 1975 Tape 301 TB-1 ~'!?. l'MALLI-1000! examine tbe condition of ~ova Scotia. It 1·/ll.S ae a result of his 1o10r k and h l s report: that tbe JJar it.i me Preigbt 11ates /l.ct came tnto existence. Th~t report was subsequently supplemented, au~nted by a report 11'.ade by ~-'r . Justice l-1hite -- ! think he ~ras 1'-r. Just tee White-who amplif1e~ Jt and b rought it up to date because he ~de his report 8 few years after the report: by Sir Andl'e~• rav Tlnncan .

N()1.; there nave been uoany cases, )'T . 'i:peal<er, of a cou ntry o r a part of a countrv being looked at. beJ,ns e-xlllllined, being he f'or a 'bette r life for the people of th3t terr-itory . 'l'he moat f.~1110 us DilEo of all :rs one,r am aBhameod to say, whose oame I t.!tllnot recall. I have gone through in my mind the alphabet, a-b-e-d and T still cannot bring beck the name of that famous commission in the {Tnite fl Sta tes. r t'l)t!\k H •·ras appoin ted by Pre sident Rooseve lt. and I think it sat for ten or maybe fifteen years. tbeCso~thing) coli!J!I1ssion. The na:me is on the t1.p of rey tou gue.

That is perhaps t he greatest thi ng of its kin d eve r done in any lan d.

Now the Siro 1~-rowe1 1 ro}•a] t:ommt:!tsion ~n r anac:!a was a great ana famous investjg ation ~f Canada and \.ana~a'a future 1 but more f ro~ the sta.ni'pofnt of the constitutional relations hetween the pt:ovinces on the one halld and Cana o11 as a fe<ieral state ern the other, the l!onstitutional and finan~ial te1atlonsbips . ~t diQ very r,Tent ~o~k indeed and proi'ueecl very great resul:ts , 'T" iJo no t imag1u~ that tbe LeadeT of t'he (1ppos1 tion had prec :i. se~y that kin I:! of t:hirr~ 1'l'l mi nd 1~hen he ~~ote ~his resolution , I think that he was perhaps thinki ng more of the P-cono~ic and consequentl y, of course , fjnancinl future of. t ~e Province becau se the reso l ution says that tbe Select ~ommitte e would be appointed to enqoire ~nto an~ re~o~ upon the prospects foi Nel/f o11n~1an<l and Lahrador includitl& the prnsp er~s f or ecanomic g r o~th and develo~~nt and, in particular, n cons io e~ation of those types of ~e velnpmen~ such as we he ar d e ljtrle ahout here tod?Y. end "ur?l ""evelopl"~nt , to end te -an e.."Ctent: he-re recen t] y on r;v1iCI ~nd t~tevis i' on nod in t h is 1l'ousP.1 very cornmenclabJ v Sf' aut! very tJe] come t nn , 746

rn-: 1'71 • ~·'ALL1~1': In f•~l"t:f('ul;or !! c.or.:>l~e r ation or those tvpf' S nf tlevP.lOI'l"f.>Ot whic-h ;JT!'. hf'st sui ter' to fo5ter <~n\'1 to enr.oUrar.e the '':IV of 1 i fe mm<! trnnr f"""'" "r f1s ' ~a1:T'Is nnd so on e.nc ar. nn "ud so nn anc1 "" nn , then• ,pc>rhnp !'< tlC'It nne of them, none of them hit' Pn <)\tf.~ll t o so!vr our ftr o!>lem hur nl1 nf t hem In the .nr.grey;;te still inadeqllo'lt<t t. o solve ou r prohlPm hut roinr a con61c1erahle d!stanee in that direction. 'lr•·· T have no rlouht t ha t that is the kind of stur'v th:'lt rite l,e:!(ler of the "p!'osition hall in ,...ind '-~ten he presentc(l thi!\ reso 1 tltJon to ~he Hotu;e 1 anti all c r erllt to him fo r th11t bl!cllu~e. 1'r.

«:reilke r, 1·e c"n hf'l het'e 1n this l"'h;unber until one year frol!l today, five tiDy",., l"eer an<! night ses~l<~ns thro~<"' In, \l"e c~ he here and "'" eo1n t;,lr •m til ~· e are hl<~ck ami btue In t he face and we con ar~ue ""d Ve c:m sn~rl anri 11•e can i nsu1 t e;!ch other ancl ve ci!n make eloque nt sneeches, anc' It .all ho11~ <'own iust to,mostly.t o a lt'lt nf •~ !nrl, ,.,,.t a tnr of •..-ind, 747

Oeceaber 3, 1975 Tape. 302 PK- l Mr. Sm.lhrood: .1 ust a lot of llind. It is a lot of sound and fury signifying nothin~.

If we have a fucure in N~£oundland sure~y to God that future lies in economic development, Now ecotlomic developl!W!n't does not mean only industrial development. it does not meart oPlY factorie11 and mill& and the ind>Jatrial es tablish'lllent:s ·, it lllllans everv kind Qf solid, sensible, economic developmen t~, Thts might be a~r;ieultun, it 111ight: be :raising broiler s , it mf.gbt be ~roducin p eg2s . it might be p roduein~ fat back pork or hem aQd bacon and other parts of hogs, i.t might be parc.ly beef cattle, certainl y it is not likely to be dai~ cattle , I have &ot a que&tion on the Orde~ Paper asking for tha numbers of dai~ fa~ and 111\at 1 really had tn mind when t put the question there ia how numy of them are left?

Because they B.re ~oing down so tast tbar shol't:ly thel'e will probably not be 4 solUacy cfail'Y farm in th~a Province. It is aatoaishing ~he disappearance of the dair y lnduetry. I reme.Dibet aJ)poi nt1ng 1 or getting IffY co.lleaguea in Cab inet to appoi~t, a commission.

We appotnted a commiaaion to s tudy and ve ~ot Ottava to join it, 1~ fact>if I ~e~ber it col'rectly, we did n.ot al' poinr a ct::nmniaeion we go.t Ottat.~a to appolnt some ld.nd of an enqllitY, and tJ\e,y ~ down tlette aad they interv.iewed eveey daU., fa~er I believe in the Province, and they ~ade 4 report on what <~he-re the troul>les rltb tbe dairy indu!ltry. And the;ee troubles were so 3any and so terTible that, you k~. you ~uld feel Like throwin g up your bands in despair.

But a part from ~iry, there is sheep, tbe·re are t\lrkeya , there are geese and,o£ course, bl'o11e rs a!ld egg.ll and perhaps beef cattle. if ~ot dairy cattle, and fiah farms aad tree farms and a thing that r mentioned the other day to tha M1nieter of Industr1al and Rural Dev6lopment. a thing •bout whtcb 1 was terribly diaa~potnted ~ereooally. I aa~ed a colleague of mine to go to Chicago and to go to Cal:lfo rni a and aa1te a study on ehe ~ot of an ext~:ao'tdinary developmenc, absolu~ely extraordinary, H~re were tbe G'teat Lakes aosolutley polluted, the Houae will re.ember that,

n~c~b e ~ 3, 197S ~- 'l the Oreat Lakes in Canada and the United States were just cesspool e of co rru~tion. But somebody in the United St ates governaent or some govt! rnmen t. i.n t:_he United State.s ae t about to c l eanse and purge and puri fy or.e of cho sa lakes, and not only did. they pur!fy it but they elizlinated the prey - '¥/hat i'SI t 'hat fi sh that PTeVI!I on othet fish, and while that fish h there you can fo rget any ot.l'ter k1.nd of @.cod fish . AN HO~.MEMliER: A la!pT4! y. MR. _S_!!).LLWOOO: Is i.t a lampr ey'l ~ J!O!i· MEMIIER: A batraeuda, MR._~LWOOD : No not barraeuda.

You do nocr find barracuda in 'fresh vate~:. They eleane.d out t hat: laltc and then did , what would vou ~u-ppose? 'l'hey brought. &al!DOD from t.he l'acifi. c, fr0111 the hatcheries, they M.ve great hat~;fu!Ties Oil the Fac1f:l.c Cout of tbe United States and tl\ey plan t ed salmon itt t:hie .- mind you that is not t ida'l. lfllter. The t is i .nland freeh v.-cer:: lake - tltey planted salmon t\1 that Great Lake havi ng f~rat eleansed it, and in four or five yearb lov and behold ~ g r~at new f1sbe%Y, salmon~ going like c l oekgo~k toda~ ~ ~ow· we hsve 1n Newfoundl and great Lakee, !led Indian Lalu.

Gt'aud Lake, Deer Lake and ~ on and 110 on and we h.ave 1110re rac:encl y a 111an-made lake a.s a resu l t of t~e ~ay d'Espoir power deve1o~.ant which baa taken in , floo ded, you )(now, ~bo usands of ac:rea of ~4llld so that f OU now- lulve a. ~l':eat l.a\ce. the re . mty H you can brtng s alltton f r om the Pacifie and plant th~m i n o ne of tbe Great Lakes in the beart of the Norc~ Amertca Conti nen t with outs tandin g sucr::ess .,wby cAlU)Ot ,-ou do the s ame thing perha ps, I say only ~e rh aps, there may be obstacle s that I do not know anyth1~~ about, but why could not this be tried.

I asked a ~olleague of mine to go and he went end he just , 1 tltiak, well I 1tever did know the explana tion to thi.s liiQIIent• I ao not know, but. anyway nothin& h.app~ned . l.e t the present mi.ni!!lter ,in. epite of the austerity and the Yetrenchment, let hi~ ga or send ona of his abl es t man up and Atudy that th i~~ and get all t he f e e~ about it ~nd see if I t is worth tr,t ng. The l!linister of - well 1t W'OUld not be the Minister of Fisberies, 749

~c~her J, 197~ Tape )02 n- 3 M'r. Slll&llwod; W'OIJld i"t7 I t liOUld be. the. denlDpMftt part of it, it wo.ld ~OIDR under tbe. 1111ni:steT tn question. .All. r1&h t. I. •~ill cannot -cemeaber the ~ of thl!lt fantas!:t c, cmd:ls ato c that they !'tad :in the United Statu, but 1 do reiWIDbu 1:ha S'iToi~ ~ll Conais.sion. and the St:r ~t:ft ltay 750

Oece~ber 3, l97S . ~tr. Sm41 twood. Tape 303 llH - L nuucan,a nd tner- how Nany ~oyal commissions did we have in this Pr,ovince ? commission afteT commtssion after commission studying - a t ooe time I vent into my Cabinet and my colle&gues the re appointed, I tnink it was rval ve roye.l cotlbn1.ssions at the one ti111e.

We must have bad a couple of hund r ed outataading ~ewfoundla.nders aonstit.uting these royal eonmissions and then eac.h Toya l cOllllliS51on bad a sel:n!t.ar.tat aiJd employed such people as they ne.e.ded, And so !:her went out to study f1sheries and agriculture and fores try and tourists ~ eiectriciry and education ~ so on end so on, all with a vi~ to doins the very t hing that my hon. friend has in mind no doubt in this resolutlon.

But :J.f t:f\e appo i ntment of a series of royaJ. cornmtss1ons, eacr1 of the$, reme~~r,spec.ial1zing on one aspe ct of our life, on~ aspect, conc entrating , on that, if a do:en or twenty royal cOITIIIIissions do not really produce all t:hat much, what is, real.1st1c:ly n~, "What ls the chance that a select coumd.ttee of the Rouse ~ould do so? Now1 someone here i n the oJ.d Libe't'al Party interru pted in a f derull y v.ry and said. "Well, l et this seJ.eet conmdt t:ee get those k:i.nd o f people, get a.

Sir AndYew Rey Dt¢can." Ooe. that occurs to me is Lady Jackson, Bar':)ara Wnd 1 whose speclaHt:y in economics is that very t hing, thac very topic, tht\t theme, the <levelop111ent of the third world, packvard, underdeveloped OT undeveloped, ee.rtain ly !Dlderdeveloped par ts of the world, •..rha.t is the way to go about bringi ng results in such a part of ehe ·.rorld .as tnat? There is .Arthur D. Little Incorporate d whidl ie a ~1vate ~ompany that the Newfoundland GoveTnment have engaged on ST'ecifie lltojec'ts to e.xallline this or tnat ind ustry and give 1111 & report .

They are awnec by the faMus R.I.T,~ Massachusetts Institu te of Technology ~ ~~ich is perhap9 of its kind tbe greatest institution 'l.n o.U the world and Ar:thur D. Ltttle have CO!!lO!. het!e and 'IIIB.de specialized 11tudies . Nov if t:he .Ffouee Will adopt tl1Ls resolution.and 1 do oot see how any e~ne frankly can vote again~t i t - God in ne~ven we should try anyth i nP;! «e should never draw the line at uying co find out what 751

D e centb e ~ l , 19? 5 Tape no. 303 Hr, Smallwood. 1dnd <:>f a fu~re w:t11 we have i'f ~e leave it. alone <1nd ~o~hat. kind of a .future can we ha-.te. if lie make it:. l .f w~ 11!8.ke. our future we must t!;}' fferyth.-:tng ,.

N011 if this cotmnitt~e is appointed, the r'esolut1on ts adopted, che seclet:t committee is appoi-l'lted and they ate se~1o\IS suinded mea 1 .deep .!y conce-=~d about the future of Net1foundl~d and are given authority by the House . and a .budget tc hire. the hes't they c~'D. {ind to lrtak~;~ a ld:qd o .~ DQomsday Book, I think the Leader of the Opposition called 1t 1l grana jnquest, a grand with a capital G·, a Grand Inquest Gf Ne~tfoundland . The inquest is not just conductted t~hen there li,;~s b~~;<n a llll)rde~.

An it~que.st really 111eans an enquiry, a grand eol)u:h:y, a grand e:ltalldnation, a grand study 'nttl a ea)rltnl G and a cai';ltal S, Thar is lltba't' is nj!ede1l, I am fo-r: 11';. If I h~d teD:, \~tes l ~roold gtve l:.bE!'-1 fctr tbis L'esolut:ion, though I lulve the gravest doubt that the corom:.i<ttee of j,tself "'itfiout that k.inil of backing 'Will .accomplish vecy mucb. XR ..

NEARY.: 1'lult is ~my U\e resolution is t!bt 'l!ecy producr.tve ._ ''J' , ;;"WJ.J,•nnp ; The res{>J un~t1 woul d b e product-tvec .if H: is adopted anil the. crnmd.ttee is appo:!.nt.ed, the sele<!t co!lllllfttee- and givert a bu<lj!et, ~iven 752

lriM - 1 ~!R. S~tALLWOOD: a budget tel hir~. You knov, do rtot think that a select committee !$ going to go out to B~ch&~s. and out to Grand ~alls and to Gandey and down into Twilling~te and in Orand Bank and around the Province and sit and hold a 1Jublic hearing lllld the -public: w:Ul come in, those th:lt "''ill coJile~and g,ive tl'oe;tr opinion an.a in thi!l way thllt corcnitte.~ is going ro find out What poasi)lle futuee we have in Ne.wfouo.dland. That is no t going to happen., That: would really be a wa~te of time and a waste of ~ey end it would be just too bad. ~ow, l'lr.

Sp~lce~, a1nc e I callle into {'Olitics orig inall y t'l'le one theme that has seized hc:tld of me, ~sten:d me , aldiO&t to the e:-~:elwlion of all else, is the .atte~ wjth vhich this ~solution deals, the de.velo~nt of this J>rovince. . so t:)lac ~ $ why 1. have t o vote for thP rP"'f>hlt1on. T do not know how it: could be changed ~o be made better. If it still ~~~ean.s the appolrt t~ot of a select committee I wtll vot~ for it but with • certain ai!IQUttt of pes..11illlism anfl 1 hope tnat 'Ill}' frie rtQ , my bon. fdend the.

Leader of the 0~poe~ tioo vill understand, will appYeciate, 1 ~not kn ock1~~ , [:alii not expre-ssing pessia1.$1l to lcnoc:k it.. L a11 going to -.ate f or it but I do wish t:het:e ~s a more effective va)' for ~ewfoundland to ftnd out What atlr poss.ib :ll'Ltie. s are, what our potential is. It should not be left just to the "finister of Industrial Development, a yount hota•• me.mber, a young 11111n. full o f vtm aud gtnge.r and enet'gy and ambition, dete.noi ned to l!lllke a name for hilllllelf . Good~ That is grand. Every ad.niste.r should be l:Ute tbat.

You do not have to be all that young to be like that you know. You can get u1en who ~~ half as old again as tne hon , gent le11111o - AN !JON. ME'I-IBER~ Is that so1 MR ~ SMALLWOOD: Well I am at 1-.st half as old a&ain. You CatS get peopl~ at various 3ges if tihat na.s a calen dar got to do vith it? What yo.u need {s- Ninis tets of the Crown who are determined t o knock, to guld~, to push, co kick, to boot Newfoundl«Rd ahead, That is -..h11t has to b e done l!euulie tbe tne r tte i n Newfoundland 1• frightening, tile dead 11eigbt: up inertia. Leave 1.~ .alone. Do not bothe.t: , Do not troultle.

Do not take any t:touble .. Draw you-c pay , Enjoy yourself. The. 'inertie is f righ~i.n!l and i t grows, U dog not dilllittJ.eh . 'l'h-e.re is mc:tre. inertia 753

De.ceD!ber 3, 19 75 l.IR. S~ALLWOOD! tiDY tlian there was ten years a.go, wenty years ago. ~ " ~fTatd. I am. I d~ not wan~ to Qet on amP of mv oet suhicc t s 1 think that the gt"e.atest. doctors in the wor1d and th.e greatest hospit als, the gre ates t nurses and tbe greatest m.edicine in tbe world is work. [ ~~ow of no substitute for wor~. rt is the greatest meilieine. Man vas made t,o work , not loaf ,llu t: worlc. i.l!l s ort of aoin g out of fasl!ion. MIL NEARY: It is a dirty word, MR.. SMJILT.WOOD: It is ~ing out iJE fashion. It is allliOet 1i1te a dirty word.

Your are conde111n:l.ng a utan if he baa to work ,.and it i 11 not tYIJA!, You are condemning a man if you deprive him of the c hance to work. That te tbe greatest hurt you can do t.o any lll&ll, if he is healtHy and wbolea0111e and ~n eondition to wock, then the opportunity to work should be there. Well I eould go on like. this but I have said enough to indic:a.te ho\t .feel about it .. 1 -., and fll'J colleague and any othera vha may b&ppeu ro be prese:nt - lly the way none of us was here.. I understand last night.

I left her e. at five lllinut.es to a1.lt• having listened vith pleasure tD the Dliputer, the Leader of the Route and at five udnut as to six 1 got aboaol of my car and 1 'We~t. home. 1 was ho11.e by seven o 1 c.1Pc:k. It takea me an hour driving within the laws, as t alyays dP, alway s . It ~akes •e au hour. 1i0l11! RON , MEMBERS ~ Oh, on! ~~ SMALL1.JOQ.O.:_ Always. Always.

No, sollll!ti-s if 11ow;:body· else .is. drtvtn~ and I am think ing deeply 1 may not notice ~e ep~ed, but ~f 1 am drtv.i,ng , always within the law,and I was bo1K b.y s even o'c.lor::k and llf'J daughter happened to ring · me. and say, ''You know the llouee is meeting toni ght:?" I said , ''No, :1 t: 1a not." ''Yes it. is . " So 1 was aot here. And nob ody was here Tro~ us. None of us knew apparently that the Rouse was meeting lasr: night. RDwever, that is all I haVR to say. Thank you. 754

nece~ber 3, 1?75 :rn-1 ~PF..AKf,Tl: The hon. member for Expl o lts (Vr . ~'ulroon ey) • YIIT.f!OONF.Y: "r. Speaker - SOI'F' RON. ~F.RS: this is my first s pee ch in this hon. Rouse, ana I thin~ it is g~t~ an honour to be able to spea k bere. We are, {j fry-one pf us, •.e are repTesent:l.ng :Nevfoundla.n~. The pe0)" 1 e tme have sent u.s here nave sent us het:e witb the i nte.ntjon of iintiing a path th11t 1~ ~e!;t suite<' . to Nevfouodlonrl and out: !'resent cont11tinn. ''T. .

Spe8ker , J find myself on'ly too well jus~ifte.i' 'in supporting the Tesolvtfpn proposed, that Ne:wfoUildlan.d.;:rs J>houill be p:i•ten a more i!1:rect s~y 1 ~~hethe-r i t be th rough a select e01llmit tee or some other mean,., Ne<.~found) anders ~~~finiteJ :y need a !'lore direct say in the Tunn l ng nn~ tb~ operation of this Pr.ovine e . )'T. Speaker, r ~~ djsappointed in SPVeral instanceg. As r say, tills is rny H TlSt t1J'Ie in t:hi.s ROitGe.. Like a F,Ood '!!l;:tny Tnore fellow t'levfoundhtnners ot1r voice be for~ was not heard. 1 ""' 1\Cip!nr. no,., t hat. .as !I meniber of this hen. Rouse.

I can convey the todshes and sentj~nts of Newf~undlanders, especially the people fn the district of P.xp!oits ~hat they hope to eonvey to this Rouse And whAt their wi ahes s re . )lowever • "r.

"Speal<er • I cannot say that the iT Yishes will be heard if there ts not 111ore· colm11tmic.llt:1on with the people of "1el<f.oUJtdll'nr ano 1~itl1 the d:!stricts in Re.wfouudlllnd. 1-rhat I have s~n in the past, vr. ~ peak.er, is that the r.o'll!<rtlll'eJlt tal<es fqr p;rnnteil too many peopl~. too 17\llnY of th~ir.- vl'l.f.lhes and ct:ln!ieol,!ent1y Ne'-lfoumll.!lllders are left. in r:he r!ar k a ~ooc1 r1an:v t{f!llls. '1'111s select co!lllllitt:ee , the hon. gentle man .from. 1'..,.iU1n(tate t··~ r, "mAJlwocrl) says that he does not see this select comrnf. t~e go .inS tn~n the towns of Buehans 1 Grand ~ank~ Botgood. etc. and talking ~o the peopli! of Newfoundland and finding out their i~eas.

This, I thornughly ~isat'(ree witll. I believe that this is essent.Jally ~tult ~ need more of in Newfotmdland . ~Je sit r.ere in this House. t~e th:l:nk ve. have the proper solu tions. nut, :in the past, ''r. SpeaJ:.er, , this S!Ovem111ent hl:'.s Mde too Many l>),,n<lerinp, 1!\istakes a.lread}' that have c.ost the l'fewfmmc!land e conomy, the Ne~rf.oanilJand 'People ape the Newfounaland lnti.ivtduals too 755

Tnpe 105 ID-1 t-t11 • 'Ml'1l..BOONEY t much,toogTeat a ris~ ~o chemsalves, t6 the t y businesses and rc the local g~rnments. H'l". Spe:!k.er, r tlill ~fer to the. Tecent SaW!IlHl operators meeting I hacl with them ~en the saloi'I'Qlll operators "re ta1).ing of the government p~t1.ng 1:'0ads in for a.co:~sa to satm.UJ . logs. Some of these Ttllils, n:- Speaker. enced up in cnt-ovel:s, ended up in ba:rren bogs. !:ach ~f th~se roads, !'1r. Speaker. "is c.ostin& s~ere between $24,00~ to ~32.,000 e>fNe.wfoundland's trutatiotl money. ~. S'Peak.er1 if 1rr:.

Spe~ker, this eovernl!let'lt l'lhte~ tbat it ill not 'lld.slead~ t:he peop1e, th.tte it h.e.s been 1eve1lint with the peor l e, and that the p~topl e of ~if; Provinee have beau letT to tOP b1Sh or ~~:~at an expec.ta!;:i.cm. 756

Oe~ember l, 1975 Tape No. 306 N)ll - l ~IR. 1'1\JLROONEY~ I leve.l the ch.llrge f:or this respoaaibiliry at ~he govetnm.ent.. The govemment came :into the di stri ct of Exploits this past elect i on and i t was ~e f iTs~ time for many yeats that Exploits had seec manna fall hom heaven. The gove rnment bad not bothered be~ore.

They had not bothered at all ~ith t he district bef o re l 11'1\tered t;l'Je election there , All of a sudden til ere_ was 'mOtley coming out of their e ars and no~ t hat the election 1a over, their ears a re stoppe d , tbe 1110Uey l'ms s topt~ecl, ana furt h e r develop~nt is 'deferred~ as t hey call it. Mr. Speaker, wbeft p eop~e a re to l d by government that they ean expect c erta i n a111ol11')ts of "8)0ntes, certain grants and .what hav e you, what are the people to do but t o expect that if the governme• t is on the level with them?.

If the government i s telling t~e compl ete truth should not the people be led reasonabl y to expec t a certain expecta tion f ~o~ the govern~~ent1 T.s ft thei:t fault or the governme'Dt 1 :J 1auH.? Mt . Speaker, I refeT spe cifically to the coup1e of things in the district, the, $820,000 for Botwood, wltich would h ave me.nt 143 new bui ldin~ lots for t he ToWd of Botwood. 1t would have meant a shop pin& ce~tre fo~ !atwood~ This n~ development could have attracted potential Lndust'des. It. co Uld have att racted potenti al net·rcollll!rs to the Town of Botwood, to ma~e it g~ow, to ma~e iY viable .

At present t~ere are no build3n~ lots tn Botwood . Trailer cn~ts baye been provi ded to the tun e of sixt een tht:ett years &fto, but r eceu tly none . ln other iiords, if someone, Mr, ~p~aker, wishes to go to t~1 e Tor.-n of Botwood to live, they first ha~ to find a place to live in Botwood. The government proposed developaent and n09 have postpo ned i t ~ have defert<ed 1.t . This i nconsisten cy, M'r. Spea.tte-r. <:03nnot go on :fn New-foundland :lf we are to e:rtabllsb eonUdertce. in the gove rnmen t.

This ts 1.ncon sis tency whlch shakes the conf i dence of the people of N ewf oun dl~nd, i n our ~overnment, and rightly so. People are tola one thin& on election day. shortly aft er ~le c tion tbe;r a1:e given an e:~~cu&e. 1'et1tlons are pxe.sented, govert11112'!1t says , "Yes, we. "'W do this, and 1o1e !.til l do tho.t.•" .-'fter lt i s all o11'er gover:n'Uient l'!re aks their promieel! , This is not a good avenu e for any gcvernment ! f it exp ec ts tD establi!!l 1 757

December l, 1~75 Tape tlo. 306 l'fM - 2 1«. MULROO!f_!Y_!_ CCI!lfi4eaee of tlte people iD Newfoundland. and fxoa tbi!l conf:tdence uk th~ people to 10 ~ona ~th tbn . rhe gova1:'111111tftt is saying,inflat:l.ott 'hils done tbt.s to ue .• we muBt deier, trust us. But alrea4Y, Kr. Spealcer, ab:ead1 the. &OVe.rti-Dt 1ta• asked the truet of the Newfoundland people too often emd bave broken ~hat trust . Mr. Spe.ak.er, 8DOtaer ~bin& that t wish to speak on ia lJATtban Jl()litiea. Newfmrndla11d individuala, coe~pa#iea 1 ~ae tirea, tird of the Ke.vfouodlancf Gow.t'lllleJlt play:illg politic:•.

Vbat i.t doe• !11 effec:t 1 .. Mr. Speaker, iB set up ~ty a&.tiaat: c.,...iey , diatrt.ct ag.af.nitt dbtriet. Jll!l'BOU a,gailUi t pelltGS1. M:r:.. S'peske.r. I t~fer baclr. asain to the $820,000 whieh was proataed for ~t:woocl. They wet:e ;ro1111aed by t nie sove~t. $820.000 . Tftey were told the:re was no more IIIOI)ey to be. 758

nel"ember 3 .1~75 IlH "'!>. Vtrr,liOONRY: the .\':<>vern•ne;,-t- Ri"W f1 t: - and 1 co~~t~~~end them ·f<>r i t, l .s10 not bv Rny 1>1e,qn e 1)01.-n on thE' goVetnltteJl t, but te> mP. ir 'lppe;\rs to be tiod.el'· han~ed - they s~w fft to Kive an added $60,000 t~ snoth er community. neec' it . Tlut in my e!'>ti111at:ion of t:.he sHu.'\Uon, "r. Spe~er, it is sat:t :!ng one c:ommurt:1ry off aya:!nst artothe't one . /o.!'!'"lin, "r.

Speaker, Ute people of this J.>rovincP. ar.e fer' up 'l':lth the government p U!ying hehind-the-doo r p<'lit.ics. lie a r e tn a situadon now. l1t-. !'lpeaker, ~~e~ pQ1 1t t os must be r epl~ced by J e~ders h lp. I f this p.overnment ever hopes to gain the confideoee of. tbe p~ovle of Newfoundland, then they !!1\JSt corue out and he truthful and make no p'tom!ses 1 make '!10 prom:! ses tha t they c:an11ot keep . )lr. Spe.aker, ~<hy tell the people one tJrlng and have so~J~e~h:tng else in the back of tbel r lllinds.

Hlty ~o to the people of lleaumont Fe,g,J,ts 1n B',l,s'hop Falla and tell them, yes , s;e aT'e goinz to g.ive you a sew·er sy&tem ancl then go a~(l tel ,1 someone else tho'lt: the home.s tlo not constlt:uce a btgh enoutJh st:snda rd to pJ.sce the ~~ater and sewage fP.d liti es there ! Why, if this is TJOt unde.r - ~andednes s, if this is not hehio~~tbe - door po li t~cs. what ts out RD:VP.Tnment ~how tnr. the. people ('f :rqe'Hfountllllod? ''11., 'SPEAlCEP.: (l'r.

ColHna) Ot<ler, p le;OJsd I 'Would caution the llon. member that the illlplic .ation of uorle~han~e~ess ls a l ittle clnse to the line in terms of unpaT11ament&ry speech. t do not t:htnk that rt tile pnsent tiJne I would like to Yule him out of order. Eut r would just caution him in that regard. l-'1' • NF.A llY : I 1~ould J U:e t6 roak.e a point r~f onler 1 Yout: Honour. t i!o not lmow whether the bon. taeraber,Sir 1 ~n is spealdng 18 ~W8'te C>f it or no t . Perh aps some of you s~p~6r col1ea~ue~ could tell him~ that this is l'r.tvate !-'enrhet's' l'loy and we a TEe de.'\Hl\R with .a :z:esoJ,ut ion on thl!.

Order Paper, .not dealing ,.,:J.th tile 'J;hrone Speech or cl!strlet Mot:ter;s, S'fr . t hue to do this because the hon ... ,er~beY i$ makin g his maiden · speet-h. But re bas to be Televant to the resoluuon, S1."; and he bas to learn tl>e rules of the House.. This is Pr1v.a.te '<~elllber's Day, We a:re deaJinp; w.lth a PT1vate r•ember 's resol uti oil, Youl' :rronour , not "ritb the Throne Speech, not with t"listric.t :mat t eTs, and l. would ask Yo u ~: Ronout 759

Decemoer 3, 197$ Ta]'le 307 l.B-2 to ask t~e ~mber. tone ~elevanc to the matter under debate. name1y , resolution number one· dh the Order Paper . ~fr , .Spe.l!k.er, if I may speak to that point <'lf ot-der - and t:he hon . ,!l<'!n tleman op,posf.te may then visl) to ~~y fl. 1rord or two , r"P .• ~PF.Al<El:' (nr. l'olli ns ) : 'I'he hon . Leacle.r .of the Opposit ~ on . Ml'. POl.!E:Il.'r'S·; First af all it is the· gravest discourtesy to interrupt an fton , gentle111an making his Tllaiden S]leech , and the &entle:llll!.o !tt;)m LePoile (Hr. Neat:

y) shoul •d know better. '-lr . Speaker - M!L NEARY! Are you saying ~.. 'll.OR5RTS· ~ l'olr, SpeakeF - t!R. SP~AKER (Dr. C'o1.1 L'ls) : Order. ple ase ! A!J'.. ROBEPTS; - I am saying what I am saying,ant'l ! am saying that the han. gen t le111an f.r.om tal'o1,le t'f<r. Neary) f.s he:inr, gt'a"ely d!'scgurteoua in 1nt e.rruptin,g M hon . !l'ember in makinft wnat is a very exceHent maiden speech. ~ow., Sit, 1.n Ill)' submission the non . ~ant leman is being pt'eci 'eej.y re11Wartt.

The TNhole poLnt of this l!ldtio11 is to set up a comm! tt:ee. to .look in t o the i:uture of Newfoundland and includin~ sucb tntngs ~s· tne va~ o'f life and so for t h. t..lhat t'he hon, gent1em.an. is. doing is ou tlin 1ng the sor't of thins 'that he. does not r.hbtk should be out' fut ure . 't}lat i ·s dtre ·ctly: re1Ated to the ll\Otion. It is cli'rectly in support of it~ and J. suhtn:it he should be alio~~ed l:o continue to n\ake hfs l'e!l1ark .s wi.thollt haraSsment froiD. senidl: members of th:.is House ~mo she.u.1d knoW' bette'r than to 'int~r~p!:' 11tt non . member making hle Vll'rl.~et. speeco:h.

Ml 1'!.0!1. "'IE~'P.J::Jl ~ 1!e.;or ~ i1ea'r' ! MR . NF.Af>.Y: ll·ear! 1lear! MR. ~·YELLS: Vr. _ sveaker., certainl y i t is not our wish to beat the po'tnt c f" !).r-iler to (Ieath . Ohvioue:J.y <l' cons'i.il.e-rable mount of latitude i$ given to <m han. Jl'e1llher pa:f'..t 1cular1y in lll.ltkd.ng hi'S maiden speech, and you knov H he chooses to critici z:e ~he go'fe'rfitnenc ~ he is dolng that 1s peTfectly d1. ~ight.. 1lut . 1 think You;r:- Ronour was :right ln drawing to hi.s 760

necember 3, l97S Tape 3t>7 ntterotion that cPr'Ulfn allf!r,atioM l\te not paTJ :t.amentary, And thcrur,h nhvinus l y \olE: have n" o11jec.tiou to cdt 1c:.1sn, but ac fhe sa~ t i me t think it \~as p roba!>ly r:lr)lt t o remind t.he hoo. rne!!'her of that. Sf'"!R Roth •'E"'RRT!S : ~ea r: Hear! ~~. ~PRAYJF.P (Or . Col l i ns); Or~er, pl~se ~ T th1nl~ the r.na i r vould rule 761

December 3, 1975 Tape no. 3011 Page l - :rnW MR. ~'PEAKER (Dr . Coltins) : I ~binlc tbe Chait" would rul e that t.he fti)IJ, member's remarks are relevant:. This is a vary broad resolutioa, and 1 chinle the hou . -member's remark s .are not out of order in terms of r elevancy. SOME HON. Mnfll].RS ; Hear , bear! MR. MULROONEY: Than!-- you, Kr. S-peii\ei. fo-r your guidance. Witrl time, with twelve more years under ~Y belc 1 I may become possibly equ al or bette..r than the hon. membe~ for LaPoil e. (Mr. ]leary). HR. NEARY: Do not: get: naat.y like youJ:" leader now. SOME HO~. ~ERS: Oh, oh! HR. NEA.~Y: MR.

RORERTS: MR. NEARY: He is teachi ng -you a bad exal!lp le . At lean be has got a leader, Do not be so rude. ~- SPEA!CER (Dr . Collins) ; Order, please! MR. NEARY: Who got clobber ed 1.n the last 1\>lectio!'l? MR. MULROONEY: M-r. Speaker, the. hon. meraber for LaPG!ilC! (Mr. Neary) cl.ai!Ded I ~as not relevant., 1 Wish. to stat e· that fftY belie.£ i.s th.at I alii relevant, tbat. the motion i9 st.a~:Lug that: a Select" Coamd.t r.ee be set up to determine the way that t:h:ts Province is go:l.-ng w go . Mr.

Spealter 1 ~hen t his co~!ttee is set up by t he government, thert it is wo~thwhile 11oti.ng that 'if the -peol)le of this Province axe going to respoftil, dtey mus t feel thar they can have confidence in the govermnenl. Hr. 6-pealr.e.r • on another po1n t w1.th regard to t:he Tesolut.io~t1 I at ce.nded tbe Youth. Conferen ce in Gander t.hJ.s past Sat\lrdsy.

Untortunately 'T could ru>t .attend the whole Youth Confe r ence, bu.t at the sallie tilDe l ~ould lf.ke to commend the -youth for the i r ideas. ~fany of their ideas were sound, and I would trust that t he governm ent '~ould take the recol!lllletldations chat. the youth nave proposed in th i$ Province.. aod g.J.ve them every c.oosid et.ation possible, using the~ .as a gui.delin e of how the. youth fc.el ln this Ptovince towards gove$lllllental matte~s ~ I fee~ that the yout:h of this Province are not consul ted enooght are not eonsulted enoug h .Ln t.l1at thei< ideas\ cbei:r intelh.gence 762

Dec~ber J, 197~ Tape no. )08 Page l cao ~o ~ lon~ ways in helping us to solve many of the peobl ems that face the fu ture of Newfoundlan d . ).fte'l ail, they are t:he r.ueure of Newfo3tmtlland. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Bear, he~'l! HR. MULROONEY; Mr. Speake-r, as 1 sC!.id befo~e. 1.n my eooversation wit& cl1e youth at: t"hat: co!lfe ren ce, the greatest eoocern was bow far will aur resolnt:Lons ~o, whether the goverroue.at vU.l yeeogni~e them. Agai n, ~r. Speaker, it reinforces the idea that 1 have been speaking of, confidence u' the gove rnment~ It ts even rooted in t he. youth of our Province.

The youtll t<oming u_p look at a government tha t has brok en too m~y p"l'olllises already, have broken faith ""'ith them . They are vondet::int nov whether or not the rea o1utions "'ill go ahead. 1 would say to the goveTIIII!e.nt, )o{r, Spe.ali:er, that if the goveTTUllent intends r;.o g:i"e l.IS a solid bedrock, then sta rt wlt'h tbe youth as 'Well. Mr. Sp~;~aket:, yesterday tile bon. member for Xilbrtde (Mr. Wells) stat.ed that the line s ha'!le tO be drawn, that eveTy"body wanted too nuch out of the pot:. My opinion. Mr.

Spe.aJr.er, is that the people want too mutb out of tbe pot because they have been led to believe that tne pot ~ ova~lo~ing before this election. Now that the elect~on is over, it is Mother Hubbard's cupboard all over . SO$ liON, MEMliERS : Hear, hear! 763

O.ceJDber 3, 1975 l'K- 1 Mr. 'lpeaker:, ~gain ehe hon ~ me1!1her from KUhririe. (Mr. ~fells) said, the govetl\ll\ent cannot u ke side11 1 ~r. Sneaker, 1 thi.nlt tl1e people of Nettfoundland '. referrl.ng &ack to my comment' on partisan politi cs have seen alTeady t hat the go~ernment ha~~ taken too m8dY sides, not necessarily in the beet :interest of Ne:wfoundlanders. Mr. Speaker, again .and again the peop l e have gone to the goveml!lf!nt for va~ioU& thiags and have asked far help.

These people come back lilftll the same plea, ·vith tha ·~ -.gcey rbat the J:O~nt only has c:iae for those vhhin the.ir own circles. ~- Speaker, surely if we are representati ves of the peopie of "Wewfoundlattd, surely becauee a district is aPt wi thi n the govem111ent 'a against that district. SuTely they ~ealize that w. are atil~ Newfoundl.onden~ . that we ~till pay the saJDe 010unt. o£ u.xea, that we still deserve the s.ame helP.. llue, unfortunatel-y, Mit.

Spa.alter, this is not the case. roo many people a~ bitter against the goveTnment for th1a , too many peopl e have los~.as 1 said before.. confiden~e in the governme.nt. ~r. Spea~er , ve do baed t o bring i~ a resolution whereby a selec.t co~m~~f ttee will be set up to givl!. Newfoun<llanders a bette~ an.cJ. a s trange~ aay 1n develo p in~ this Province. T~o lon~ too .any positions bave been forced unon th~, thrown at them , pass ed and then asked . It is time for this to ston. !!!_._f:!![LROONEY: If this gov~rnment baa any- courage about it t hen it wil l go t o the people and get their opinions.

But I vould suggan that the government will not so bac:'k to the peopl e and ask ,. because> the gove'Ollft~nt re alt:zee t:1\at there are. very few friends lef t out there in tnt Province of. Newfoundland for the govemlie'Ot. The gover~nt has broken faith with t,he peapl~. a& 1 said, ti()W the r;overnme11t are afraid t o go and hold l!lf!etings with the peop l e to see what they 'f/ant . 'nle peopl~ probab1y would not even aU e11d the llll!e tinga , they &Ye e o d'Lagusted vt th the ftCIYeT111DEmt 's "b roken confidenc e. 764

Deee~ber 3, 1915 Mr •• . ~~.!:~~ez.:: Tape 309 p~- 2 !fr. SpeakeT, in elosi~ I would aay that I burtedly aupporl: tbe select commit:tee,tbat th1a gove~ment appoin t it, that thi• ~overnment instead of ~utti~g special assistant• to help *ew­ foundl.ande-.:s,tha t the government i<S~Dtitute a se.lec.e C.OllDilitt:e.e , lf they cannot affo rd "it let thea di.em:iss their soee1al a~aistanea, 1et them di&!lliss the people ~"ho were defeated tn the electi on. Are tl!ase peop le specialized, Mr. Speaker? ATe thes e peop1e qualified?

Waa there s cgmpet 1t1on1 Was t bere 4 eo~etitioa open to Newfoundlande r s t:o appl~ for th1s s peci al assistant•? Wh.at was th~ qual:ificatiott for these ~eeial aaeiot.anta? 'l'c :nm 1n an elec.tion? Apparently ~o . Mr . Speaker. So~e of t he special assistants that I ha~e been reading about , or have ~one to unive~sity with , chey constitute ao bett e:c qualifieat:lcm than many of the Newfoundl~nders 1 know, Mr.

Speake r, r aaggeat agaia that there is roo much pa:rtislltl politics within the gpvern=ent ran~ , and that ~he ~o~rnment of ~his Province ia ~oing to play favouritism, let it play favouritism to t~e people they owe it t o, the people of Newfoundland tbe.eelves ~d not just t o a handful. Mr . Spulcer,es 1 said, there are a good .any Newfoundlaz~d eTa who wish 765

December 3, 19?5, Te~e 3tn. Pa~e I -- apb ~ . MUt.ROONE"i= ~o express the sentlnte flt:;; that I aJII exoeessing nmr of the r.mfait'lle$8~ of the discrlmlpaticm, of the bro~en pl'om.tses. of the lack of c~unfcation that it has with the government, and the fi:OVernment haa hrou~ht it .about 't.he'msel~es. I f the ~ove~nt eact~.ot keep ~tg "rom~ses, cannot keep cocfidence with the people then let the goven•11W!nt be J.evel with the peop le aod tell them. ~t . Speaker, I have been told that out di~trict of Exploits is vecy fortunate indeed depending on the results of the p~ent c:onrc: wrn:k.

People a~e exveeticp: nnw, l<!r . Speaker, '17ecll)le are eXJ)ecting in the district of Exploits to be flooded with grants, vitb loans , vith Pl"O'IIIises. The ol'\ly thing that: puzzels 11e, !11". Speaker. is 'lolb&t new ones can the "Dt'esent ~tOVel'I'Uilent c:tme up v:it lt that they heve no~ already 11r.11de and h r okeo~ Mt'. Speaker, I would aay that the people in EXploits want so111eone :in that distt':ic:t. who are llilllng to sit down and talk vith the111, to ~elp the~ decid e their futut'e • to help th~ get something that ~ill p~omo~e reoourc:e based develop~ent. And there is plenty fot it there, ~r.

Spea~. The port of Botwood and PeterView. surrounding areu, great potential at'ea s for tourism - not developed. Seve ral t'equests have been ~de for a IIUitiM in the oor t o£ llot~ood. A beauti fu l area for tourist develop~ut in Pet~!ev, Notthern Arm, Philli~s Bead, Point of Boy, beautiful and :vet not developed. Why"? Becauee the govet'11111ent atates that they are going to develop resource industt'ies but I would sugsest, Kr. Speaker, the ~ost i~portant ones they are overlookin~ . They hzve t heir eyebt'ows raiSed too nigh. Such as thing as ~ou~iam ~a these areas ~s no~ enou!h for the government.

It is not im()tJgh. But 1. would flay to them .if that is not l!nough letc them put SOftll!tclting there that iw. To date t"flere is nothing. Mr. Spl!!akli!r 1 the govet'lll!lent: has not illdeed colllll\l.u'rlCat~d wit'h the ~eople of &e~foundlattd , They have not gone out and as~d the oeopLe o! Newfoundland vh.at they ~ant 411d I suggest it is high tbae they do. I so~gest: that tltey !JU!Ioort. tlrls resol ution far .a Select Conan.ittee and that they go to the peo~le of Newfoundland and as~ what they want . I think a ~ood ~any members of the aovl!~ent would be surprise d at how sL~le 766

Oeeembe~ 3, 197~. !aoe 310, ~age 1 -- a~b XR . MULROONEY: thef~ requests aTe and how easily they can be tmpLement~4 . But tney will not do that, ~r. Speaker. But 1 would caut 1on the ~overnment to remember one thtn~ . that they are not 1ndispeos1ble, tha~ there is another election comin~ u~ ~nd if they do not move and ~o to the people and communicate with the people tben they wtl l not be back ln th!s Rouse as ~overnment ofter next election. Mr. Speaker, the opposite side may scorn and may laugh but these are facts that 1 am speaKing. 767

December 3 , 1975. Mr .. l-!ulrooaev . 'RH - 1 1 WOttder bow man~ of the bon . gencle:mert aer o$!! c:an ~ out and hold theit" lleads. high and sar Y am a 1Delllbe~ of the gove.:all!lent. I would ven tuTe not too lllMY• MR. MURPHY; ~ of 11.8. And why should ve b o1(7 Gat auy charp;es t o n a'ke ? MR. SPEAKER (Collins) ; Or~er, pl ease ! .AN 11011. MEMBER~ ~hh! MR. MDR.PHY: That is all rlght . He cannot tell ug tlult !ole ha .. e t.o h3ng our heads •. MR. DOODY: Let it sta~<l . Wfty vorry ~bout it? "fit, MURJ!RY: H~ t s a t'bo\<ie . Be jwrc !lpe.aks t o U!i MW, o~1y a few '"t'O'CdS - MR.

MUI..B.OONEYr "! am tu)t , H-e. SJlealer, trying co b~ M.St1 buc to state the rruth o.E ~he m.tt«. MR.. ROBERTS: lte.a r: R:ear : !1R. MULROONEY! ~e 1rl.tb 1lle t.n T.Xl)loit s Ntis "'eekend - SOME RON. M:EMli"ERS ~ Rear: Heat ! MR.. MDLROOllEY! -and we. vill see, Mr . Speaker , just w!\at t7!'e o{ ~putat:ion th1s govenunent has f ot bxolten promtses. MR. NUltPliY: C0111e down to St. John 'a CeDtre vtt!l me. MR. "MULllOON'EY: You ask llle to prove it, Sir. l have proven .it.

Mr. ~eaket:, .as. 1 &aid a: few lllinul:e.s ago, io eios i.~ I wou1d augges;t f-or cbe govermnent: t:o look. h.atd at t.he idea fot a !!!i!l.et:t committee, l:"hat ~bey go 011t: and" tl:\llt t:o t;he ~op.I.e of 'N"ewfonnd'l~trui. 'Newfoundland needs more coll!llllt!)ication. They need to k.now whel'e they are ~o1ng. 'l'be ~resent government is not telling them . 1-\R. S'E'EAKER~ The bon. member t or 1'en-y lall. d. ~lR. C. POWER: Hr.

Speaker, before l begin my f <l!.w abort caanents, r would like to in advance beg the fO-rgivene s s of the Bouse should I: ma~.e. any g.remmatica l sllps, should I ;fall 1nt.o 1 rnlevance . because vll.at l nave to say, l .feel., is for the good of Nttwfoundl.an.d. 11: .is '!Jhat 1 768

Oeee~ber 3, 1975 , Tape 111 RR- 2 fee1 that I ~ ao ~ortrribute to ~e wfaundland , And if some member cons£ders 1t to be out of order or irrelevant then I beg your fo~~i~ness. Before I hegin 1 would like to cong~a~ulate yourself on •our position and for the first time taklOR the r.hair I do believe today. SOME. f!ON. MEMBERS: Hear~ Hear! 1-flt. l'OI.rER! L would like to congratUlate and t o say that 1 ~m amazed vi1:h the wot'k1ngs of our Speaker and Deputy Spealter.

In all hooesty r must ad~it that in previous year~ when I ~ead in newspaper accounts o( llhat was taking place i n the House of Assemhl1 1 was souurwhat embarrassed and asha111ed t o say that I 'ff88 a 111emboH of a democratic society and J can say oppositely so caw that I ~m really ~roud to tal-.e.

part in th1.s HQUSe \fllere eve~thfng ftmcti.O ns so vell and there are such few lnsinua~ion$ «rtd innuendoes. 4 would like to ~ive my regards and t he r.egards of the peopLe of 1IIY district. to the l.eader of the Liberal Refot:m Part.y. I .,ould like to eocmnend h:im because I believe by hi& actions so far ia th is Rouse he 1a here to cont ribute for the good of Newfoundlaad ,a& aTe we all, Re i& pat nere to crittctze ~d conde mn. Re is here to contribute. 1 would like to comfllintent. altlJo usb he is left his seat , the 111elriber fOT Lali'olle on hi& elecci on.

It may ~ound s tran~e coming from a Tory but 1 thick tltat the au:itttde that tl1e me~er fro~~~ Ls.l'oile showe d "\oitten be 1ost his n01Fiinatin~ convention 1 when be totas down and I lll1l suYe when he woke up :il~ the 'IIJOrnin!l it f·elt that the world was faJ.ltu&' -al1 oyc:Y: the plac:.e, that ne stood up and fought for what he believed and von because it is that attitude which will ta~e Newfoundland out of the economic troublea that we bav~ now a.nd raisa us to a -position of srandeur itt the future.. SOME 1-lON. ~!mfBERSI Heed Bear! MR.

POWER: I wc:>uld lilce to compl inlen t. t:he Pr.emter and his \life on a nee"' addition to his falllity. Although tb~ young man cannot vote until 1'993 there are sam~ peop l i!: aer~>ss the vay, a.Lthough the Leader of t~e Oppost tion is ~one, he seems to think they ~y need a vat~ in 769

December 3, 197S. RH - 3 Mr. Pe~~er • .FeTcylm~d. a Tory -.ote before tbet\ but s uch is 1lOt the caJie I bope . 1 would llke to eomplimen~ and e~etend 11ty cots,;re.tul.atl~s to two of our returnee;; ftam Ott.awa. l think that one of the best thin~!! tnat rlll bave naJ)pen ed fo~; the Depa rtment of Fi.slteries in Newfoundland is to hav~ Mr. Cn:t:ex:, if I am allowed to use his Mille, re.tut:n from Ottawa and tak.e o-er- that l)oTtfollo . I mn really pleased tllat Mr-. t.U!\dd .gan has r eturned - AN UO'N. ~lli'.MBERJ The member for- Grand Falls. MR. flOWER: The l!lember for Grand falls, ! beg your forgiveness.

B~~ 1 8Ift' very ~r. lad t'l\at the. member frown Grand FaUa ha.11 talc'en over t.be veey blportant purtfolio of bn::al. 770

~ ~cember 3, 197! Tape 312 Jii-! ,-:-4 !"'"'~i.V"T- · ;;-,;;e~opmen r in In<.iu.'itt:i <ll ""v,.lopmet1C. l. L'.l"f J • ""~"L uo! C:JJ•M,J.~ llet•founttlruui is to exist antl survive anti to pnFio', it must bee0111e one pf the ll'OSt il>portant, :If not the II'OSt irllpoTtant ~eraT.tiJient: .ln f~<'Wernment. 1 would also like before I bet in to exteo~ my coo gra rul a t~oos to the hon . member fe>r Kilb d de (~•r. Well

s) tiii'I.O I thought Mel g marvellous job in yesterda y ' s •lebate . I wcuJ d suggest to ldm tlutt he p~y h ~s suhscriptil.on fee1l t::o The ()ai.ly Net~s because obViou s.Jy the~· have something D!!;<linst the poor gentleman. lfr.. PO\i1EJl: They rHo not' e.ven ment ion he ~: as i n ch.e House. S\\ME !lON. J'ID-'BERS: ~ea ·r! Heed WF . PO~~R ~ 1 bri ng a ~~lcome t o all membe r s of the Rouse my district ~r Ferrylan d. I happ en t o be the flrst local•harn ~out bern Shore peTron eve r t o s i t in ~:overnrne.nt.

Ther e was - l am sure the h•m , ~ember tor T~_lLtngate 0~r . s~all~~~) remember s - a resictent of Perrylan d ~ho ~~ electe~ a~ ~n intl epen denc fn 1951. MR. StfJJ..I.Hron: That was Sir )'ichael Cashin . 'J'hat is what f !OBI'In• l t hi nk te Vas ele cte d in 195! iU an 1arependent ~r with your go ve rnmen~. _tor.. l'I'F.LLS: l tbink it was l'eter. "T'. !i~f,\LLP.OOn: Lt was S~r ~1 ichae1 C:ashin. Re 'loi11& bo rn on t he ShaiN!. Be was a ~e~h~r for for ty r ears . ~'T' . POWP.l': Rut not since C:on fe cleTation. II!'. l'Oh'E !I~ It is- s i nce Confederation I l!telttlt, Thl\t>k you.

Ferryland n a s been jn exist e nce since a r ound 1&21. when a t:ap t ,.dn f.<lwi,p tlyllTI wa > sent ove r f rOI!t act'OS& tbe seas to h e gin turn BaJcjl'lore's colony. Since then t he dis t rict of Fen yland has g ro.-n and pro~r ess e rl and develop ed , not: as much a.s we all WQ\d.rl have 1 ikl!l' no r has I'IOSl of Newf oundlanc\ d'eve lopeil as \ln1ch ;:~s ..-e woul~ have Hrecl . Rlt~ tt has alL done Ve'C"j t.relJ. I am pleas e c1 771

Tnpe ! 1! ~. Pmmr~ to ~presen~ such an h1~tor1ea! di strict . T "'\\S~ say <\t tbe very beginnJnr . that r must vote againl!t this reSQJut1on to w><Jeh I spE'.ak. r fall slightly short of askiny. the re,;~ !<lllltioa of any member of tlli.s lion. ''.ouse '1\'bD votes in f:l'Tour of sl!ct\ <1 resolutio n , and I 1>i.ll eJCplain why. "!'o lilt. C\ne of the reltSO!lS fo r gcrveromeot:, Ottl' fo~ of government. is l>ec:aue C)UT society bAS r,rown ta !ruch an extent thDt "'e cat\Ilot ha"e plebiscites on EI'VeTY sinK~e Issue. nur society prop-ressrtrl and advanced fr-<Tin ~I!T:'J ~tual.l eotulllun1tJ.es ;-md ver'!

Sl!'S.ll .~oops when everyon .e coald gee l!ogethe:o ~nd ~1scuss something to a stage now wheYe you have piacee like ~e r.1ty of. St. ,To!tn ·~ 'l!rere you have over 1.00,1)00 in and ~~oroutJi! tbe aunounditli\ a.rea. '1\nrit?UI!l.y we cannot ask those per11ons nbout each gt\'en iss•~ . I!e."t<:e <ore -'eveJop a tonn of rl?l'resentative govenn'!ent ~.:hen one perSiln Sllea'k!i fOT Sl} r:~any others~ t~~t, the fifty-o-me pe.rsons in thl.s fton _ !rouse, ~·r.

Sfleaker, h~ve been electel' to xep~sent tb.e 500 ,000 or so in ~ewfo~dland, Thjs resolUtion to ~y way of interpr~iQz it s~ems to s&y that we nee~ ~ spec!~ seleet committee to fin~ our Vhat N~~oundland needs to develol'. lf any l'lelllber of this Pouat~ is not fully ~ware. of to'hat Ms district or her riistrict: neJ!ds to c1evel.op then tb11t: l'erson shnuJd ~,>.imply not. he bere.. It is t.his !louse, tbis h011. House 1<hen.

TBc(>ll1!rlencli\Lion~; fo-r the developmant: of Newfoundland Bho11ld be -presented first, not. to a select eonnn!.u.ee. 1 thi:nk we, ttle f1 ft ~-one parsons pe):e are the IJE!lect commi~tee of l!'ewfoundland "Odth rep.aTcls tc ou-r development. With re~ard t o that, IUld to snlllA!. C(III'Rents W!de by prt'.V:tt>us :speal<ers j.n tbe bc<!ret and Throne Speeoh <febates and speak:t np; to th!s l'esqlution, tbat I have oot: seen or hea.rd ~.e given IIUP,yest;loo fGr the il!lprmret!le!tt of t:he aeVl'.lOplllent of Ne~oundlmd. The only one t;ha1: I !!lake ~cept1on to is t:he. 1-on.

Ote:m'>er fol" l.aPolle (J'r, 1~ea. ry) 'Wlm has thP. fiTotfuerlvity council whic:h he 111ent:ione~ yeste1'd$y which mAy in fact: 2ctually illlprove t.be prcduct: :iv!t.y of Newfound1and if 772

~cemher l, 1975 ""ape 312 l~r,. PniYf'l>: It 1~r.rc ever institutc:tl. I f!n<l that Jn all the l'ch~:~te nohody hll-'< ~'IY!'n mw sugj!;est1ons e>r very little sur.pcs t1,n!' to tbe ;~ctu;~l lnnrcv~>n4!-t)t, to 11"!'1'0\'e e>ur unemploV!llent rate. "'!-ere are th e !illf:l!eStio ns? l'he :-e ~C'e t he actual, positive ~:urrest:lons for the ~ ... ~ ~P. t !~inlv Jt is the r~nction of the nppos!tion to my way of thlnktn~ tO ~ r it ici~e and nppose , but in critlri~1nr. you are also alloved to he GOnstntctive , ann as of yet T ~ave not seen a ~e ~ t olea! nf .-:onstruc::ive cormnent . t nm sorT}' lor th:lt.

T lt{I Ve >:(lrne idea&- tl>at t t htnk shllltl tl be involved 1n t his !"n<;o l ut ion pf rleve lop ment nf 1-?ewfoundlancl, ~nme cons tructive {(leas. 773

December 3 , 1975 'lr. 'PC">Wer. Ta!Je no . 313 Pate 1 - nr.. Some of th ese, the minist ers involved, hopeful ly will rake to heed or a t least conside r . Some nf them wlll be ta&h. nne of the pre~o~actves of yout& is sametimes t o make mist akes and at least oot' to be looked on t oo unl.nvou f· <~b ly because v1e do make mistakes , but ~e do have ideas ~hich may not be reall y praclt cal to implement, but certain l y tl1ey should b e cr i ed . S0111e of t he s uggestions 1 make a-.;e not for mult1-bU11oo dollar deve l opments.

They ar e things which can be initiated, hopefully , vitn very little capital expenditure on the par~ of our Province. And these suggestions can be made ·ev~cy dey to any member of our government. Ani! .I beg to challenge any member of the Opposition side to uke a. suggestion for t he 1mpTovement of ~~~fovndland t nat ~11 not be accepted by the governmenr of th i s PTovinc e , b e~ause I ass ure you it will be _ SOME !ION. MEMBERS: l!.ear • heat! MR.

POWER; rn the area of ruu l development 1 1: think that lt Ls absolutely impossibl~ for rural deve!opment in Newfoundl~d to act ually funct ion well unless '-le l:levelop tfle Crown land s of thia Province. !'he vast, vas t majority of our area ie Crown lands . Lt bas gaL to be used in our development. and I know f~a m our dis ~ssions in cau cus and from discu ssio ns ~tb the ~i niste r of Pores try and Agrieulture, that Crown lands llill be developed to t he highest e.1:teot possible b y this govert~~~~ent.

That is a thing Which can ituprove Newfoundland • and it does not co& t us a cent other than paying the salaries of the ~ persons in that depart~ent , I think t hat .,e: s11ould li:ave certain LIP projects 'llhich are provincially inclined- 1 think th a ~ tne LIP progr~es t hat~~ hav~ from the fede~a1 government f ail in two basi c categories: (1) i s the fact t hat f ishermen at:e gett~g na priority "in LIP proj eet.s t.n fishing d:l$td c t s, none , A student, .seventeen, j list out o£ high school can jllSt as well got a job on a L1P pr oject a~ can a fisherman ~n Petty Harbour. It should not be so.

LlP project!$ should be to do mo1:e than just construct ball ftel.d&. There are coramunlties in my disn:,ict which have ne.:ttJt~r slip1o1ay and the federa l wharf is ln a state of disrepair. But we have also communltie~ in my district whi ch have spent $150,000 an~ $166,000 Qn a &Qttba1l field and Nevfo undl and does not nee d tha t kind of development . W~ need rec reation, 774

DeceJDbe r 3. 1975 '·1r _ Po"1er .• 'Iap e 110- 313 Page 2 - IIIIJ ~ur:e, but noc if there is neit)'ler slipway and the Tolha .~f is tn a stat:e . of d i<;re!)a:i r r-ight down the road . Anothe r- faul~ that I find with LIP projects, wnicn all persons may not agree vith, is that: t think. it affects our social se rvices and c.osts u.s ;tome money someti.Ines tha t :tt alloul d not cost ~s ,and that is that a LU' ~rroject begins 1-n "November '01: Dece111ber and a Man goes to wo~k. and h~ eacns stamps . So when cbe LIP projecc ls over in .Tune, 1o1bat doe.s tile man do?

Doea he go l.ock for a job as best Fte c:an, ~r, Sl?eake r,or dces be draw unel)lployment hoping that that. une!IIployn~anc will get h1111 to s posit.1on in the Fall again in. Novembe:t when his commt.n'lty lil111 get aaotber LIP project?

Ail 'Welt and good if that coiUDiuni ty does receive anoth e r LIP project, :But what bappens if .they do not1 They eventrJally eud up 1n tpe Department of Social SeTVi-ces havi-ng gone t hrough one t'l.le.lve. month period suTVf.ving of£ Lll' projects. 1 do Dot t.l\ink it shou:td happen. 1n the area of fishery development ~ 1 wi11 give you sn exampl e: of .,here we fall down a little bit.. NoTWay bas three eXporten~ o( fish products . Ne.'\lfouu dland . sutle.r. has over thirty. Do ~e need to have the fish plants in Wit Less r.a,. and Bay Bulls Cll!1nJ:Ieting w-ttb Di ldo and Burgeo? .No, 101e de not. MR.

SMALLWOOD: The bon. member is not talk1-ng about salt fish Y 1m. POWE!t~ Na. The.S .:~ltfish Corporation and I - MR.. SI(AI.LWOOD; Are one . MR. POWER~ ~ es, and that ie the. way t think that. all our fisb COrtJorat.ioos should be . 'l'he bon. 111e111het- f or '1\d~lingate. (Mr, S~allwood ) may ~e.g to differ. We cannot a fford to have that typ~ of competition ~1 t.h1.n Ne'f'f' ound.land • s fjroducts. He nEed to a end it from Newfoundl and in bulk. Ynu 1113:( or may not: raal!z ~ it but most of the nat'ionlil . s upe~arkets wher~ most of our fish products ~o use 3 c~ut er ized o rdering syst.em.

And thoSI! c0111puterlzed ordet-1ng syst'eme are not going to be hooked up ~ a small r1sh broker who represents one fish plant on the Southe rn Shor e of NewfolUldland . l t i."i.ll oot happen~ That is a.n 775

December 3J 1975 '{t" . l'o~er. an iliiPTI7'il~ that we can make in our f i.shery . get a bett e r 11r:tae- for ~ur fis.h and '!!lake H. 111o-re. effic.1aot, 1110re pt:of1tab1e, and it does not really have to cost us .a. great deal, but: it can be done. The LlP pro jects , as 1 94'/ . ahould def1nit1.y ha~ oriority tor fisherme~ in f!shing distr i cts ~ There ia no way that it could be aoy other flay. I visited tbre.e restatttants iD the last: lliOn th in the St . John's a.rea. Two could be cottsidered reasou.al11y 'PO S~t. they are supposedly the. better restau r ants in our coi!IIIIC!U-cy, and ;tnotbe:r \olhich 1~as l! 'mOtel restauran t . Do you. k.n0<4 that. you 776

l)ec-he r 3. l975 . Ta!'le "314, Page 1 -- .al)b fiR, POWER 1 c.annot get a c:od tongu e to eat in llewf oundlllnd 'in a~y of our re•taur~nls. You knov .any of the ~roducts 11ke fishsti c~ and thir\gs thet. we h.ve are 1.IIIJ)Otted. I ~t ould almost go a s far: a s t.o say that there sltould be no fUh products hrougbt i ntQ Newfoundland unl ea« they cannot be ,reduced 1n Newfoundlan d. MR. SMALLWOOD-: HR. POWER: HR. S11ALLWOOO: have thetn? Why c•n you not sec cod tongues? t do not lrno\1'. I ha1fe asked. ! do not: \nov. "Why? Why?

The re are lo t s of tongues 1 wby do we not AN UOJII. ~-Hi. lt is te>n much trouble t o cut the111. MR. SKALLWOOl>: 1!01' we ~e coming to tt. HR. PO'\I'ER: 1 vonld say that ! t u y be conside red by 110111e cDmpan.ies to be unecono111ical or not fea.sible but I think we. could uaab It ~o. I a~ sure we cou ld without a grea~ deal of expendicure. In Fer cyland di.su-iet ve de. pot have a r;r eat dea l of natural. resQUrces. ~e have ~fantastic group of peo~le who are willing to wor k ~o do anythin~ to help ourse l ves .

We ~ave, and J bave been fortunate to travel parts Of Ganada, a part of the Statea ' 4nd par t of the Catibbean 1 we ba.ve .on the Southern Shore of "Newfoundland some of the b est .sceJtat'Y, tile 1110st beautif ul sce.aery in all of Nort h Alllecica• but how 111uch 111oney do we a~tuall y prfidu ee in the tou~ist indus t ry? We produce l ittle or none, It 1a sometb:lng that local entTOfll.""en~n and local busifte8al'len ar-e go1na:t to hi!Ve to t..ake the 1nitia t 1:n in in deve l o11 ~ tourist f&cilitin_.w t th the co-ope rati on o f t he governmen~.tn our a;~a.

The ll'ist'orie.tl s !tee. as '[ menU.oned • that. Jare in out dJ.st .ric.t of Yerryland - a young professor at the University ~al led Re the oth er day t o s•' that he had been up in Ferryland ~o map out & site for Lord Balttmote' s origina l hous e in Ferryland . Me found tha~ the tbing was under many, many ~ons of ~ravel which vaa being used to put i n a new ball field , We have ~o protect oor h1storiea1 sjtea because the~ will be.aame l!'evenue produd .nR r esourc:es in the.. fqture 1o1hen our toori.st 11\dustey deve.loos .

I think eve~body fn Newfo~d1and, and a~a ln 1 am giving suggestions fo r the :improvement of Newfoundlattd, the develQllU!ePt ~f Newfoundland vbicb 777

December 3, 1975, Tane 3 l 4 , Pa~e 2-- apb MR. PQ\.'ER: do not: no~ s hould no t cost a a~eat deal of mo.ney 1 1 thin k there shoul d he a caterin~ scho ol in Nel'lfo~mdil.an8. !'lot: only do tduris ts c~~lain abQut our ca ter!n ~ service in Newfoundla nd , we all co111plain. We all complain. ·rrom t he very !'osh restauran ts to the very lowest ones our cateri n~ servlc ea a re not what tbey should be. And our tourists do not ap~reciate the facr becau se they are used to better. A ca te rin~ school would ~ot coa t a ~re~t deal of money.

It coul d be se t u p in s~e of our gywma3ium&, it cou ld be set un in our t liacle schools, we could eve.n have a 111obtle unit: wbieh coulcl t ravel frono distdc t to district !\illing t"he bastes o f c atering. ")tot t he. posh stuff, .~ust enou~t h s o tll!!t peoole can be served Vith .a eertat.n «JJIOiltt t of dignit y.

I know hov the -o<tniste r of Tou ris111 l'oss :1bl.y could s have ~eVi!ra.l hund ~eds ~f dol1~rs off the food bill" of u~ to 12.000 or 13; 000 famil ies i.n Newfoundland J)er year . {.le have. 1.n Newfoundlan d i n the last two or rb~ee yea~s heen dishing UP to l l,OOO bi~ game lice nces and I would like t o go on reeord ae saying chat the prio rt~y fo~ those big game licences should be fa,.ilies who are earnin g l ess than SS,OOO or $10,000 a year. 8e~ause althouRh many perso ns tbin k that b l~ ~ ame huntin~ ls for s~ort ~any parts of my di stri ct and in other districts - Cape St.

Mary • s - aorl other distd<! t!l aro und Newfoundland use b·i~ game a s food . ft he lps to cut down on t hei r cost of living. I think. that is 8011\ethin~t that should be consid ered in the re or~anizat lon of b 1 ~ Rafte l~cences . One. o f the majo'" ar eas of develo'Ptllent: in my distri ct. and I wil l t ell you a v ery brief and very sad s t ory if you vUl bea r wtth 11e for 4 moment ; ImaJ!:ine , if you will, ~fr.

Spea ke-r, a yo un~ stu dent a t ap:e s eventeen who has t ne fort une of f::raduatin!l' from hi~ll sclto oL HE' ~ta through Grade> XI , hi~; family and teechers are all overj oye<i be c;ruse 'h~ ~as attained a ~ertain degree of su c~ess. The young man cannot get into ou:r trad e scho ols because t hey are all ovetcro~ded. Imagine the sa~ man if you ,;.ill at a~e t llen t)"-three with a f am!l :lfo.

He has lea.:ned by thi s time tha t tt 1s p~ssible ~o ~ark for three months pf the vear - he c ause he has not a t£3rle. be does not do tt becau s e hP v ants to but ne does it 1•ecause he has t o - he cannot ge~ a t t"af\e so he learns to 1l(arl<. in se~onal oc c u~at ion , n~ l e arns t o 11ve on une~ployment. s~ a t a~e 778

Jlet!embex 3 ~ l 915, 'TIIt'e 314 , 'P• ~~;e: 3 .,- lll'b !1R. POWRt twenty-tb r ee Yhen now he ltaa a fatly and ~n ape:rtment 11nd is stru~li.ng t a get_ ..a house, llOW tt liAs becoae habit for him . This rill rkst"Coy the l'ery f~r of Nevfouru!laud if ve allow the ~quth af our l'rovin.c:e , sf.JIQJly because they c.an:not get into fOC:ational scllools, ve deny tllem a Job, ve 4cny them a :good HVinlt and we convince the~~ to wntlc for three mout!L~ of t..'re '!'ea% sill!ply becau~te they cann9t get an edt4c:ation. 1 think ~t ls one of the areas th~t muat ~o hand ln hand ,ith devdo!)ment;, and aJthougb t'be neolu t..itm ta.lla! abou.'t Myelol!IU'.nt 1 talk about ae-r'rl.U•. Bec:au.ae.. 779

December 3, 1973 Tape 315 l'K - 1 >~hen !'OlOi tall about develop11~nt, you ulk about ~ney , and if you stoend 1110ney on development then Obviousl y you cannot s pend i t on s ~rvius, YOll cannot spe.nd "it :iD two p~acu . And the ru•on T voce a~ainst: the resolut~on 1s the simple face that l think we u~~d a balance be~een botn, so much deyelopment: ~ so much s ervices. In the area of inflation, 1 thi~ that com.onitie• in our a~ea should be ~iven access to crown la~ds for the ~rowing of vegetables.

It does not cost us any money ~ The~ bas been one extTemely successful proj e.ct in and aYOund St , John's whe11e 400 f11111ilies1 1 do believe , parttct~ated in a community shared plot to ~row •egetablea. It can be done in ~veTy community in Nevfoundland,pretty well,where the soil is sufficien~,and it can cut down on our cost of l iving.

With Tegard to the une!TlPloymetu:: f;l~u1: e s ~i v en hy ~be Leader o~ the Opposi cion, I vould like tt> talte ~<-tception to one part of them, be.cause.1 think attOther nason that 1 vote. against ~be resolution 1~ because l detect that it would bec#me a partisan reBolution, a resolution that is bound on crit1c:12:1ng and conde111111ng rather than building. And i take as an eJtaJnple t'he f1~<1res sub'mitted by the t.eader of t