Manitoba Hansard — 9 October 2020 (Sitting 3, 42nd Legislature, 3rd Session)

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Third Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXV No. 3 - 10 a.m., Friday, October 9, 2020 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ADAMS, Danielle Thompson NDP ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib.

GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MOSES, Jamie St.

Vital NDP MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon.

Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC

63 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Friday, October 9, 2020 The House met at 10 a.m. Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen. Please be seated.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 2–The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2020 Hon. Scott Fielding (Minister of Finance): I move, seconded by the Minister of Health, that Bill 2, The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2020, be now read for a first time. An Honourable Member: I've got no audio. Mr. Fielding: You can't hear us, but we can hear you. Madam Speaker: As I said, there would be glitches and this will happen, but that's good for a Friday morning. Could I ask the minister to please stand and repeat what he just said? Yes.

The honourable Minister of Finance. Mr. Fielding: Can I get the– Madam Speaker: Oh, could you give that back to him? Mr. Fielding: I move, seconded by the Minister of Health, that Bill 2, The Budget Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2020, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Fielding: It's my absolute pleasure to introduce Bill 2, The Budge t Implementation and Tax Statutes Amendment Act, 2020. The bill implements tax and other measures announced in the 2020 Manitoba budget. Additional amendments implement and support the

summary budget and make various amendments to tax legislation. These measures lower taxes for Manitobans and businesses and will help further repair our services and approve our fiscal management, which makes Manitoba stronger and more resilient, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] Bill 205–The Latex Control Act Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, that Bill 205, The Latex Control Act; Loi limitant l'utilisation du latex, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr.

Gerrard: Madam Speaker, during the pandemic more people have been using latex gloves in more places, and it has made life very difficult for those with a latex allergy, particularly those who are sensitive to latex in the air. Since there are now alternatives which are similarly priced, this bill, which I introduce this week–on Latex Allergy Awareness Week –will prohibit the sale and use of latex gloves in Manitoba as of January 1st, 2022. I hope it will also create awareness, under - standing and more use of non- latex gloves to help those with a latex allergy in Manitoba.

Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] And just for the information of the House, there have been two bills that ha ve been introduced and authorized for distribution. Our staff will now provide electronic copies of the bills to all members participating virtually, and hard copies of the bill are also available for members in the Chamber on the tables at the back of the room. Committee reports? Tabling of reports? Messages Hon. Scott Fielding (Minister of Finance): In accordance with step 1 of the financial procedure, I'm

64 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 tabling the message for Her Honour the Lieutenant Governor regarding supplement Estimates for the 2020-21 fiscal year and supporting documents. Madam Speaker: Ministerial statements? Oh, pardon me. Please stand for the reading of the message. The Lieutenant Governor transmits to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Estimates of additional sums r equired for the services of the Province for the fiscal year ending the 31st day of March 2021 and recommends these Supplementary Estimates to the Legislative Assembly. * * * Madam Speaker: Please be seated.

MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Moose Population Conservation Hon. Blaine Pedersen (Minister of Agriculture and Resource Development): Moose are an iconic and important species for Manitobans as a source of food, as part of our family and community traditions, and as a fixture of Manitoba's natural landscape s. Although moose can be found across Manitoba and have an essential role in our ecosystems, they are also a species facing significant and growing challenges, including a changing climate, disease and parasites, habitat loss and illegal hunting.

Efforts have been under way to help the moose population recover, including conservation closures for all hunters in key moose habitat areas across the province that began in 2011. The overall trend is showing a slower-than-anticipated moose population recovery. * (10:10) Our moose population is at an ecological tipping point in many parts of Manitoba's southern, forested range. It will take a concerted effort by all users of this resource to ensure their survival.

This is why today we are proclaiming The Wildlife Amendment Act (Safe Hunting and Shared Management) and prohibiting night hunting effective Saturday, October 10, 2020. This act was based on extensive engagement and consultation meetings in which the provincial government held a series of over 20 infor mative engagement and consultation meetings.

Although these meetings focused on the public safety risks of night hunting, which are addressed in the legislative provisions being proclaimed today, we also heard from many communities and community members ab out essential place of wildlife in sustaining cultural and community values, and about the common concern that all resource users share for Manitoba's moose population.

Therefore, under these provisions, we are creating a framework to work in partnership with Indigenous communities, non- Indigenous hunters and local residents to develop and recommend sustainable plans for the management and harvest of wildlife species such as moose. At the same time, we have sought ways to reduce the impact of the conserva tion closure for moose on Indigenous communities, including through ceremonial hunts and, more recently, through the creation of a limited, interim hunting opportunity for up to 60 moose in the Duck and Porcupine mountains.

This interim hunt was to help a ddress the desire of these Indigenous communities to preserve and pass on the tradition of moose hunting, while ensuring that the harvest was trackable and could take place at a sustainable level that would not hamper the recovery of moose in these areas. However, several recent developments, including organized, unauthorized moose hunting activity in the conservation closure area, pose a serious risk of escalating an uncontrolled harvest of moose. A return to uncontrolled harvest can carry serious and irreversible risks to the recovery of moose in these areas.

For this reason, our government is pausing the planned 2020 interim moose hunting season for the Duck and Porcupine mountain areas. Moose hunting remains prohibited for all hunters in the conservation closure areas. The government will be moving to create the first shared management committee to discuss moose within the conservation closure areas in order to provide advice on how to reopen these areas to hunting when the moose population rebounds.

We are also continuing to share moose science and survey data widely across the province, to help build a common understanding of the challenges facing the moose population and the need for a conservative–concerted, collective action to address these challenges. The department has also created a document called Hard to Be a Moose in a Changing World, which reveals these challenges.

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 65 While these are not easy decisions, our government has a responsibility to all Manitobans to protect and conserve our wildlife, not just for today, but for future generations. Through these measures, and through continued work to develop a shared management approach for moose, we will work towards a strong and stable recovery of our moose population that will allow Manitobans from all communities to connect with their traditions and with Manitoba's great natural resources.

Madam Speaker, there is only one moose population in Manitoba, and therefore we need one moose recovery plan. Thank you. Madam Speaker: For the information of the H ouse, the required 90 minutes notice prior to routine proceedings had been provided in accordance with our rule 26(2). The honourable member for Burrows –oh, the honourable member for Keewatinook. Mr. Ian Bushie (Keewatinook): Madam Speaker, I– we have real concern that the Pallister's objective– Pallister government's objective in dealing with Indigenous peoples is to divide. I recall that the Premier (Mr.

Pallister) tried to invoke anger across the province, referring to what he called a race war. It's so unfortunate, but it's not surprising. This is the same Premier who went on a reconciliation ride and met with no Indigenous leaders in the communities he visited. What we need is communication and recon - ciliation. With regard to the moose hunt, we know that this delicate balance between humans and the land has been challenged because the wisdom and practices of Indigenous peoples are ignored.

We know a co -operative and respectful approach to the management of moose populations is of the utmost importance in our province. We know animal harvesting, and moose in particular, is something all Manitobans have an interest in promoting and protecting. Today, it is even more crucial that we consult and work with Indigenous peoples and nations to work towards sustainable wildlife and ecosystem management. However, this government has shown that they have no interest in respectful dialogue, co-operation in–or in the co- management of Manitoba's moose population.

Hunting of moose was put on hold in 2011 due to the ir numbers being too low. Now, however, the Manitoba Metis Federation has consulted with elders who have observed that current numbers appear sufficient to resume sustainable hunting. It is clear that both the government and Indigenous peoples have a com mon interest in protecting Manitoba's moose population. That requires respect, that requires co -operation, that requires listening. In short, it requires a real commitment in co-management.

This government, however, does not seem to want to engage with Indigenous leaders, who say they were not consulted before the government announced that they would not allow the moose hunt. That is unfortunate. They ought to have done so. Today, it is even more crucial that we follow the advice to Indigenous peoples t o work towards sustainable wildlife and ecosystem management. However, this government has shown that they have no interest in the co-management of Manitoba moose population.

This government, however, does not seem to want to engage with Indigenous leaders , who say they were not consulted before the government announced changes to the hunt. The Pallister government's approach to this whole issue is unfortunately summarized by the Premier, who invokes conflict, describing, in his own words, quote, young Indigenous guys going out and shooting a bunch of moose because they can, because they say it's their right, that doesn't make any sense to me, unquote. That's not going to help us all come together. And it certainly isn't going to help address moose populations.

I urge the government to change its approach. We need a government that does not sow divisions or seek to inflame tense situations. We need a government that respects the constitutional rights of Indigenous peoples while also engaging in the real co-management of our moose populations. Miigwech. Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): I ask for leave to speak in response to the ministerial statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the ministerial statement? [Agreed]

66 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 Mr. Lamont: The fact is that when it comes to the moose population, we've had disastrous mis - management on the part of the Province. Habitat destruction, which they acknowledge, is a major cause of the shrinking moose population, yet it's supposed to be only illegal hunting that's blamed on Indigenous hunters. I was speaking with MMF President David Chartrand yesterday about this very issue. He asked me to say hello to the Premier (Mr.

Pallister), and he made it clear that the MMF were working together positively with the Manitoba Wildlife Federation and they had a memorandum of understanding over quotas and management, but the Manitoba Wildlife Federation tore that agreement up. Instead, sport hunters are now asking for the same rights as Indigenous people. These are constitutional rights. The rights to hunt and harvest are constitutionally protected rights that belong to Metis and First Nations Indigenous people of Manitoba; they do not belong to settlers. There's a major difference here.

And to make that –and to suggest that there's an equivalence is–runs against our constitution. These are serious issues. Conservation officers are seriously understaffed. We have–and this is a bill that, frankly, takes a racist dog whistle and blows it into a bullhorn. This government, through this bill and in its Throne Speech, continually paints Indigenous people as criminals. It–the minister should be ashamed, and so should this government. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Melita and Area Communiplex Mr.

Doyle Piwniuk (Turtle Mo untain): Madam Speaker, I rise in the Legislature today to recognize a group of outstanding workers and volunteers. Actually, I'm actually in my office. The Melita and Area Communiplex, also known– [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Piwniuk: –as the Enns Brothers Place, was a community-based project that was built for the betterment of the community of Melita, Manitoba, and surrounding area. I would like to acknowledge the dedicated Melita communiplex committee for making this project a reality.

After many years of planning and fundraising, this group held their official groundbreaking ceremony on October 2018. This was a beginning to connect the existing hockey arena, the curling rink, swimming pool as one large complex, including a wellness cen tre, offices, new dressing rooms and a large public area. With the help of the provincial and federal grants totalling $2 million, and $3.5 million raised by the community of –the Melita communiplex is now the facility that is home to the Melita and area community residents–and amenities for all, from the youngest to the oldest.

Special thanks goes out to this –hours spent – countless hours spent volunteering for their time and such–for such a prestigious project. It's people like you that had helped shape this –our communities and make our rural towns a place to call home. For the dedicated volunteers and workers involved in this project, proved that many hands make light work. * (10:20) Madam Speaker, on March 7th, I was honoured to be part of the officia l grand opening. I would like to commend all those who had hand in making this project a reality, not only for now but for the future. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

CancerCare Services at Concordia Hospital Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): Every Manitoban deserves to–access to quality public health care when they need it most. In northeast Winnipeg, families have always relied on the health-care services offered at Concordia Hospital to make that a reality. But lately, accessing health care close to home hasn't been so easy for our community. Over the past few years, we've seen over 500 nursing positions cut across the province, front -line health -care services like QuickCare clinics shuttered, and local emergency rooms, including ours at Concordia Hospital, clos ed for good.

Now the government is trying to take their steps a cut–their cuts a step further. On September 4th, Manitobans learned that CancerCare outpatient services are slated to be cut at the Concordia Hospital this December. Northeast Winnipeg is once again seeing health care under attack in our community, and this time it's cancer patients who are paying the price.

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 67 I've heard from dozens of constituents upset about this cut, including a woman battling cancer in East Kildonan who told me her story of l iving with the disease and the hurdles that she faces daily. She told me how slashing CancerCare services would mean making life harder for some of the most vulnerable Manitobans, and for many, these cuts would mean shelling out huge amounts of money for t axis across the city or spending hours on transit on a daily basis– all to access the same services that she–currently are available in their own community.

While the government at first claimed their cuts to CancerCare were being made in the best interest of patients, we now know that's not the case. The provincial government admitted that their changes are solely intended to lower costs and streamline CancerCare's fiscal performance. Meanwhile, CancerCare nurses and health -care workers have spoken out and stress that these changes are not in the best interests of patients. While the government sides with high- priced consultants and pushes ahead on these cuts and closures, we side with cancer patients and with health- care workers.

Our team will always put access– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. The honourable member for Notre Dame. Lead Concentration in Soil Ms. Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): In December– Madam Speaker: It appears that this site may be frozen right now. I will go on and ask for the member's statement from Dawson Trail. The honourable member for Dawson Trail, are you able to hear? Mr. Bob Lagassé (Dawson Trail): Yes. Madam Speaker: You may proceed with your member's statement. Joseph Droux Mr.

Bob Lagassé (Dawson Trail): Thank you for the opportunity to honour another Dawson Trail resident who has done remarkable things. Today I would like to bring to your attention Mr. Joseph Droux. Joseph was born on July 28, 1920, in Notre Dame de Lourdes, Manitoba. Twice widowed, he has raised six children. He currently has 14 grandchildren, numerous great -grandchildren and one great-great-grandson. Joseph, like most of–from his generation, started working at an early age in his father's garage/machine shop. His skills are in heavy -duty diesel mechanics.

During the 1960s and '70s, he spent many years working in Winnipeg before going to work for Manitoba Northern Affairs. He worked for Manitoba Northern Affairs until his retirement. Joseph has lived and worked his entire life in Manitoba. A veteran of World War II, Joseph was enlisted in the Canadian Army during the Second World War and stationed in Ontario. He was later discharged in 1946. In closing, Madam Speaker, Joseph is joining a growing list of Dawson Trail residents who've reached 100 -plus years. He has celebrated his 100th birthday this July. Please join me in recognizing another Dawson Trail hero, Mr.

Joseph Droux. Recognition of Agricultural Production During Pandemic Mr. Brad Michaleski (Dauphin): During this season of thanks, I am grateful for all of the constituents in the Dauphin region who contribute so much to their community and this province. In a normal year, the Dauphin constituency is naturally busy with a wide array of agricultural activities, and their region hosts a wide variety of indoor and outdoor activities for all ages and interests.

While this year was not a normal year, the business of agriculture continued, and the com - munities and the businesses that serve on the front lines of this essential Manitoba sector help out tremendously. Manitoba producers in food production did not stop for COVID -19, and I'm thankful for the variety of crops, the vegetables, the winter feed supplies and all of the various harvests that ensure and preserve our safety and quality of life in Manitoba.

Food production takes a team effort, and I want to recognize the people fixing tires, those who deliver fuel, fertilizer and food, the mechanics, parts people in business who go out of their way to keep things rolling. In agriculture, there's alw ays breakdowns, there's always times of elevated stress and there's not always time to give a proper thank you. On behalf of the farmers and all those who work in the front line of Manitoba's resource sectors, I want to say thank you to the people who he lp produce Manitoba's crops and livestock this year –the ones pulling wrenches in the heat, in the mud and in the

68 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 stink; the ones who get the power back on; the ones running for parts; and especially those who get yelled at for not having the right part. A special thanks goes to all those on -farm service people who show up and help and work in some pretty uncomfortable conditions to get farmers going. Madam Speaker, all those front-line team players deserve our thanks for the tremendous work they do in helping Manitoba run and grow smoothly. Happy Thanksgiving to them, to everyone, and to you, Madam Speaker. Stay safe. Lead Concentration in Soil (Continued) Ms.

Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): I'll just continue from where I got cut off. When I walk around my constituency, I see people ga rdening and children playing in the dirt, despite the risks. There are ways to do this safely, but people need to know what the risks are and how to avoid them. For example, they need to know that washing their hands after being outside helps reduce their exposure to lead, or that gardening out of containers is much safer.

In order to understand this report, I sat down with a soil contamination scientist from the University of Manitoba to have him explain the report findings to me– Madam Speaker: I think we're probably going to have to proceed and, if we're able to have her come back on at some other time, we will ask for leave to bring that statement back. So we will proceed now to oral questions. We'll proceed now to oral questions. ORAL QUESTIONS Roblin Lab and ER Request to Reopen Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, health care has never been more important to our communities than right now during this pandemic, and it's never been more important to be able to access high quality close to home. But this hasn't stopped the Pallister government from moving forward with their plan to close ERs across rural Manitoba. Now, without warning, without consultation, the Pallister government closed the Roblin lab and emergency department in early September.

Now this closure of the lab and the ER means that seniors and some very vulnerable people will have to travel longer and longer just to get the care that they need during a pandemic. Now, these closures are part of a plan t hat the government has to cut rural health- care services, much like they did in Winnipeg, and we saw how that turned out: not very good. We know that plan failed. Will the Premier stop his cuts? Will he reopen the Roblin lab and emergency department today? Hon.

Brian Pallister (Premier): First, if I could, I would just like to wish everyone here–our staff, all our members–a happy Thanksgiving, and all –to all Manitobans, to say the irony of our current situation is that with these challenges, as much as they are stressful to all of us, it does serve to remind us of the things we should be thankful for in this beautiful province: our friends, our family, the support of loved ones, the support of caring people in our civil service and in the private sector around the province, the wonderful and diverse beauty of this province.

These are all things I think that perhaps in this time of stress and challenge we value even more. * (10:30) There's much to be thankful for, and I encourage all Manitobans to celebrate Thanksgiving carefully, in close contact only with those they normally are in close contact with, and to be sure that one of the things we can celebrate in the years ahead is that we have done our part to protect the health and well -being of others, as this government has always done with respect to emergency rooms in our province. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr.

Kinew: We ought to be able to give thanks to have a government that prot ects health care, but unfortunately Manitobans can't say that, at least not this Thanksgiving. And that's why people in Roblin are speaking out. One resident wrote to us, and I quote here: In 1970, I began a nursing career in Roblin which lasted almost 40 years. Our community worked hard to maintain a great and progressive health -care system. However, this government has decided to disregard our efforts and cut our health-care system back to the Dark Ages. Now we actually have less health -care services th an we did in 1970.

This is unacceptable and appalling. End quote. Unfortunately, I couldn't agree more.

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 69 Will the Premier listen to this nurse and the many hundreds of other people who have spoken out against the Roblin ER closure and announce that he wi ll reopen the Roblin lab and emergency department today? Mr. Pallister: Well, Madam Speaker, I have a particular affinity for the beautiful community of Roblin, as my mother was born and raised there. And I can tell the member that we have been working and our Health Department's been working diligently to make the necessary staff corrections and hiring so that we're able to reopen the emergency facility there.

The people of the area understand that work is challenging, and they have understood that for a long time. They also understand that the NDP actually permanently closed dozens of emergency rooms around the province in their time in government. This is a temporary challenge during COVID that we're rising up to face, and we will face it successfully, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Kinew: Madam Speaker, I think what the people of Roblin know is that it is this government that closed their emergency department, and that's why they're working together, in a very inspiring fashion, I would add, to oppose this closure. When we held a socially distanced rally there, it was very inspiring to see people taking time off from the harvest, people taking a late lunch break, people lining up their vehicles right to the highway to come together and oppose this closure.

Now, we know how important it is to get these services back because every day that the emergency department stays closed, the chances of it reopening again grow dimmer and dimmer. Now, the people have done their part. They've identified the staff necessary to reopen the facility. Can the Premier just speak directly to the people of Roblin today and tell them: Why is it that he insists on closing their emergency department? Mr. Pallister: I think the member's trying to ride a dead horse here, Madam Speaker. The reality is that we're in the process of reopening an ER in Roblin.

The fact is, the NDP permanently closed ERs in Shoal Lake, Winnipegosis, Reston, Rivers, B aldur, Wawanesa, McCreary, Erickson, Rossburn, Teulon, Whitemouth, Vita, Gladstone, St. Claude, MacGregor, Pembina, Manitou and Emerson– permanently closed them. We're reopening Roblin. Are they asking us to reopen all the ones they closed today, Madam Speaker? Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a new question. Manitoba Hydro International Request to Remove Stop-Sell Order Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Before we move on to the new question, give the people of Roblin a reopen date. On the next topic: the privatization of Manitoba Hydro. We know that this Premier has interfered directly in the operations of Manitoba Hydro. He's admitted it publicly in the media. We learned yesterday, though, that there's been even more interference on the part of this government. Yesterday, we learned that this Premier, his advisers, his Cabinet, ordered Manitoba Hydro International to stop doing business indefinitely. This makes no sense, Madam Speaker.

Since 2017, Manitoba Hydro International has contributed $35 million in profits to help keep all of our bills low. That makes all of our hydro bills cheaper. Will the Premier stop his interference? Will he remove that so -called stop -sell order for Manitoba Hydro International today? Hon. Brian Pallister (Premier): Fascinating. Any question on Hydro from the NDP is welcomed on this side of the House, Madam Speaker. This is the former government's curse, frankly: the wasting of close to $10 billion on unnecessary projects that didn't help Manitobans a lick and indebted Manitoba ratepayers for decades.

It's hardly the way that a government should behave when it claims it's trying to protect and lower rates. Madam Speaker, the NDP –the previous NDP government privatized 33 per cent of the Wuskwatim dam without asking Manitobans for permission. They privatized 25 per cent of the Keeyask dam. These are billion–these are $13 -billion investments they never asked Manitobans–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Pallis ter: They can laugh about it, Madam Speaker, but Manitoba ratepayers will be paying for it for decades to come. They never asked Manitobans

70 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 for permission. They went ahead and privatized big dams in the North. Madam Speaker, let the member explain that t o the ratepayers of Manitoba. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Sale of Manitoba Hydro Subsidiaries Request for Referendum Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): When you open the Manitoba Hydro annual report, it says Manitoba Hydro owns the Keeyask dam. It says Manitoba Hydro owns the Wuskwatim dam. It said, at the start of a few weeks ago, that Manitoba Hydro owned Teshmont.

However, by the end of that week, a private company put out a press release saying that they had bought Teshmont from Manitoba Hydro. Now this week we learned that this Premier has ordered Manitoba Hydro International –maybe it was one of his close friends who made the order actually, but someone on that side of the House ordered Manitoba Hydro International to stop doing business. We see what they're doing here. They're trying to set up the subsidiary to fail.

Wouldn't make sense to sell it if it's profitable, but if they order it to stop doing business, at the end of this year they will say, oh, we have no choice. We've got to sell it. We've got to make people's bills more expensive. Will the Premier commit today to having a referendum before he privatizes any more subsidiaries of Manitoba Hydro? Hon. Brian Pallister (Premier): The member, again, has his facts wrong in his

preamble, Madam Speaker, and asserts that we have interfered in Hydro on this issue. The fact is Manitoba Hydro management and board are evaluating their own organization, and the fact is they're doing that so they can help keep rates down. I don't know why the NDP wants rates to go up higher, but they seem to. I don't know if it's a strategy, but it's a failed one, most certainly.

The fact is that the NDP didn't go to Manitoba ratepayers and ask for permission to force Manitoba Hydro to spend billions of dollars on a line halfway around the province for no reason at all, and they still won't explain that, Madam Speaker. So the fact of the matter is the NDP says that we didn't have to pay a penny for that line here in Manitoba, and they were wrong. They were 5 billion times wrong, Madam Speaker, $5 billion wrong. And the fact of the matter is that we're going to protect Manitoba Hydro for Manitobans because Manitobans are the owners, not the NDP.

Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Mr. Kinew: On this side of the House, we've been saying no rate increases during the pandemic. On that side of the House, they've been saying 8 per c ent hydro rate increases. The only thing that stopped them was the Public Utilities Board. What are they doing now with their legislative agenda? They want to take the power away from the PUB so that they can hike rates on the people of Manitoba. What's more, they are setting up Manitoba Hydro International to fail.

They're saying, Manitoba Hydro International, you can't go out and make money. Why are they doing that? They couldn't break it up and sell it off if it was profitable, so they're saying, don't do any business whatsoever. At the end of the year, when it comes back and says, without any business activity it's not profitable, they're going to say, oh, we got no choice. We've got to sell it off. We have to sell off MHI. My special friend, please go over there and tell them to sell MHI.

Will the Premier put all this nonsense to bed and simply commit that there will be a referendum before they privatiz e any further Manitoba Hydro sub- sidiaries? Mr. Pallister: The nonsense starts, Madam Speaker, when the member gets out of bed in the morning. The fact of the matter is he's continuing to make false assertions. He's attacking the management of Manitoba Hydro that's doing its very best to try to create a stronger Manitoba Hydro by examining its own operations internally. And, Madam Speaker, the fundamental difference between the NDP and this government has never been more evident.

The fact is the NDP even promised David Chartrand they'd give him $70 million of ratepayers' money. They made that promise without a referendum. They made that promise without asking a single Manitoban if they agree. And we won't make such promises, Madam Speaker, because we know who the real owners of Manitoba Hydro are, and the real owners of Manitoba Hydro are Manitobans, not the member for Fort Rouge (Mr. Kinew). * (10:40)

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 71 Manitoba Hydro Bell MTS Contract Political Interference Inquiry Mr. Adrien Sala (St. James): In Hansard in 2017, the Premier (Mr. Pallister) told this House–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Sala: –Mr. Beauregard has recused himself from any relationship–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Sala: –with the decision -making process or decision related to Bell MTS. That was the commitment the Premier made, and we now know it was false.

In fact, we now know that the Premier's hand-picked political staff interfered and stopped Hydro from bidding on the Manitoba Network contract and that as a result of that interference, MTS was given a $40-million contract. Madam Speaker, the Premier's h and-picked political staff were directly involved in this decision- making process, and the question is simple: Why did the Premier mislead the House? Why did he have Mr. Beauregard interfere? [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order.

I don't think yelling acr oss the room is going to help us proceed in a respectful way through the rest of this morning, so I would ask for everybody's co-operation please. Hon. Jeff Wharton (Minister of Crown Services): I'd like to thank the member for the question. The fact, though, that his facts are wrong and typically that's what we hear from the other side of the House, Madam Speaker. I mean, we have a contract that was signed by the former government over 10 years ago, Madam Speaker. As a matter of fact, it was signed by a member–Mr. Chomiak at the time.

And I can tell you that that contract was sole -sourced and Manitobans had no say in that contract at all. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Maybe didn't –people didn't hear me just a few minutes ago. I'm asking for everybody's co-operation please. The honourable member for St. James, on a supplementary question. Mr. Sala: There's a clear conflict of interest when it comes to Bell MTS and Mr. Beauregard, and the Premier knows it. That's why he told a committee of this House that Mr. Beauregard would recuse himself from any decision -making processes relating to Bell MTS.

Those are the Premier's own words, and that was the Premier's own commitment, but we now know, only thanks to FIPPA –that those words were false. Mr. Beauregard interfered in a $40- million contract that went to his former company, Bell MTS. The Premier knew it was wrong in 2017, so why is he defending it now? Does the Premier still believe Mr. Beauregard should recuse himself from any decision -making processes with respect to Bell MTS? Mr. Wharton: Again, I'll attempt to educate the member from St. James on what a contract that was signed by the NDP, Madam Speaker, and where it's at.

I mean, the bottom line, Madam Speaker, is where–as we know and everybody i n this House knows and Manitobans know, we're in the midst of a major pandemic, and we know that it's costing Manitobans a lot of mental angst and also physical and, of course, economic; same in government. As we move forward, Madam Speaker, we're going to make the right decisions for Manitobans and fix the mess that the NDP put on Manitoba Hydro and the owners of Manitoba Hydro: Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. James, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Sala: These responses are an embarrassment, and it's pretty telling that the Premier left the room when the questions got uncomfortable. The Premier says one thing– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Madam Speaker: Order. Order. The Speaker is standing. I would just remind the member that there is a significant rule in this House, and that rule is that the absence or presence of members are not to be mentioned in asking or answering questions. So I would ask the member to please not refer to the presence or absence of members or somebody leaving the Chamber.

That is one of the rules that we do not break in this House. So the honourable member for St. James, to continue. Mr. Sala: The Premier says one thing–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order.

72 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 Mr. Sala: –and does another, but only after he gets caught. Emails we obtained through FIPPA show Paul Beauregard directing Manitoba Hydro International to not bid on a Manitoba Network contract –a contract held by Bell MTS. Barely two months after this intervention, Bell MTS is given another $40- million contract. The Premier (Mr. Pallister) knew his hand-picked political staff should not be anywhere near a Bell MTS contract in 2017. That's why the Premier told this House he wouldn't be. Now we know this wasn't true.

Will the Premier tell Manitobans why he misled them in 2017 when he said Mr. Beauregard would recuse himself? Mr. Wharton: I know we'll keep repeating this deal was the Dave Chomiak deal, Madam Speaker. Again, untendered, Madam Speaker, sole - sourced, for the betterment of who the y felt owned Manitoba Hydro: the NDP. Bottom line is, Madam Speaker, we are here to work 'collaborately' with Manitoba Hydro, their board, their executive to ensure that, No. 1, Manitoba Hydro remains in the ownership of Manitobans, and No. 2, to ensure that Manitobans get the best deal with the lowest energy costs throughout Canada.

Where the NDP failed Manitoba Hydro, we'll get it right. Manitoba's Pandemic Readiness Health Links System and PPE Supply MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Madam Speaker, Manitobans have sacrificed so much during this pandemic, but their commitment is not being met with the same resolve from the Pallister government. As discussed yesterday, unacceptably long lines have built up at testing sites across the province. Unfortunately, that's also true for phone inquiries, with reports of callers having to wait two, three, even four hours just to get information.

And then last night, for several hours, the overburdened Health Links system broke. What, if anything, is the minister doing to fix the problems with Health Links, and why hasn't he added the necessary capacity to meet this challenge? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): That member, and all members, know that with Winnipeg being placed in the orange designation as part of our pandemic response system, there is an increased volume of people that are seeking testing. This government has said that, unequivocally, it will seek immediate solutions to expand capacity.

It is all hands on deck: regional health authorities, a special task force that has been deployed. We are asking for immediate, near-term and then intermediate changes to help shore up that capacity. I would note for all members that just yesterday the newest testing site came online in Brandon. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a supplementary question. MLA Asagwara: Madam Speaker, it's delay, deflect, delay, deflect. That's what this government does. And last week, we saw the Pallister government at their worst.

They tried to defect blame–they tried to deflect blame, rather, for their lack of pandemic readiness onto Ottawa. The Central Services Minister tried to deny his government's failures, suggesting the highly needed N95 masks were su bject to a seizure by Ottawa. It turns out that's simply not the case. Why did the minister mislead Manitobans about something so important: the supplies that will keep our front-line service workers safe? Hon. Reg Helwer (Minister of Central Services): I'm pleased to rise to address the question.

We were initially quite thrilled that the federal government would step in and provide PPE orders to provinces across Canada and we put in an order for $35 million. It soon became abundantly apparent that they couldn't fill that order, so we had to go find out– find other places to buy product. Again, then we had the American President that puts a prohibition on exports for 3M masks. The Canadian government signed an agreement for export to Canada–not to the provinces. We tried. We already had orders in there, but the order was denied. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order.

Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a final supplementary. MLA Asagwara: Deny, deny, deflect, Madam Speaker. * (10:50)

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 73 COVID-19 is surging in this province. The Pallister government has had seven months to prepare for this moment, to enhance testing capacity and to increase access to Health Links. They've been caught flat-footed. So their political solution was t o mislead Manitobans, suggesting Ottawa had somehow seized necessary PPE. That's simply not true, and it's unfortunate.

I ask the Central Services Minister: Will he now admit to this House that there was no federal seizure and it was his own lack of preparation that left Manitoba scrambling for necessary personal protective equipment, even now, seven months into this pandemic? Mr.

Helwer: I'm quite thrilled to talk about all the help that the Manitoba government received from Manitoba companies that cha nged their lines of production, started producing PPE that we could not only purchase but that we could encourage other provinces in Canada to buy for their own usage, because we tried to rely on the federal government, but they weren't there for us Manitobans, Madam Speaker. If we relied on the federal government for our PPE supply, we would've been out within a week. We had to find supplies from all over the world with the help of the Manitoba companies that stepped up to produce PPE.

I thank those compa nies, and we continue to rely on them. Air Services for Manitoba Justice Security Clearance Case Concern Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): At four years old, Robyn Shlachetka, from Cross Lake First Nation decided that she was going to be a pilot. She e ntered flight school at 18, graduating a year and a half later at the age of 19. She solely paid for her education, at a cost of $60,000. Robyn has accomplished what very few Indigenous women across Canada have ever done. Robyn is someone that we are so proud of, not only in our Indigenous community, but across Manitoba.

So the question is: Why won't the Pallister government allow her to serve the Province as a pilot? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I do appreciate the q uestion. It allows me the opportunity to clear the air on this particular file. A little while ago our government entered into a tendered contract with a service provider to provide air service to Manitoba Justice. This includes court parties, judges, Crown prosecutors, defence attorneys, as well as prisoners.

So, clearly, there's a public safety issue here at stake, and as part of that contract, Madam Speaker, each crew member has to pass –has to obtain emergency first aid, CPR level, and successfully pass Manitoba's Justice security screening– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. Ms. Fontaine: Robyn has been recognized nationally as part of an all -Indigenous female medevac flight crew. She recently applied for a job flying judges, lawyers, she riffs and prisoners to and from court hearings.

She cleared all criminal record, vulnerable person and child abuse checks and has flown for the circuit court in the past. Without explanation, she wasn't given clearance, Madam Speaker. I've sent numerous emails and texts to the minister requesting information that an end and that another opportunity be given to Robyn that she can apply. Will the minister allow Robyn to reapply so that she can get clearance to fly the circuit court? Mr. Cullen: I know the member knows that I can't speak of the specifics of this particular case.

I will advise, and I think the member's aware, that once I became aware of the situation, I asked my very senior staff in Manitoba Justice to review the file, that the same decis ion was made not to approve this particular individual. And we certainly stand by our decision and we stand by the process. If the material changes exist and come forward, we're certainly willing to review another application. Madam Speaker: The honourabl e member for St. Johns, on a final supplementary. Ms. Fontaine: What the minister just said is that the Pallister government stands by systemic racism against Indigenous women.

When Robyn was featured in the news for her accomplishments, she received hun dreds of friend requests on social media. She became a public figure and a role model to many young Indigenous women. Yet during her security clearance this was used against her as she was interrogated about connections to people on Facebook that she barely knows, Madam Speaker.

74 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 I've asked repeatedly: Will the minister put in place another opportunity for Robyn to reapply so that she can fly the circuit courts in Manitoba? Mr. Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, I take exception to the allegations made by the member opposite. This policy is designed with–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Cullen: –safety–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Order. Mr. Cullen: This policy is designed with the safety of employees in mind, the safety of Manitoba Justice staff–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr.

Cullen: Madam Speaker, the window is open. If we have a material change in the situation here, we're prepared to look at another application–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Order. Order. I know that s ome issues can become very passionate in here, but I am asking for everybody to please allow those that are supposed to be answer ing questions to be able to answer them without somebody yelling across the room. I would ask everybody's co -operation please. I know it's Friday and they tend to be a little bit chaotic in here sometimes, or all the time, but I would ask for everybody's co-operation please.

These are important questions. We have to hear the answers. So I'm going to ask the member to please allow the minister to continue his response. Mr. Cullen: The window is open for another application, but I will stand behind the good people of Manitoba Justice, who put public safety first day in and day out. Post-Secondary Education Funding Level Concerns Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): At the beginning of this pandemic, the Pallister government first and only and priority was cuts, and frankly, making those cuts as quickly as possible. That's why they proposed drastic cuts to post -secondary institutions.

T hose do lasting harm to those institutions exactly when we need them most: during a recession. So why is this Pallister government making these cuts to our post-secondary institutions during a critical time, right now, during a recession? Madam Speaker: The honourable Minister of Education–I'm trying to see my notes here –the honourable Minister of Economic Development and Training. Hon. Ralph Eichler (Minister of Economic Development and Training): I thank the member for the statement that he made. He tried the same thing last Friday. He called a press conference and put false information on the record.

It got zero play. It's getting zero play today. What he is is just dead wrong. There's been no cuts to the funding, and I'll have to have members– a l ittle more response on the next question. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. The honourable member for St. Vital, on a sup- plementary question. Mr. Moses: I'm glad the minister's looking for more information because I'm tabling a freedom information document from not just this post - secondary institution for this year but also for next year which, contrary to what the government says, clearly lays out the fact that there are cuts.

In this case, they're telling post -secondary institutions the cuts made this year will be made permanent and funding below 1 per cent will be provided for the–from the 2019-2020 school year. In other words, Madam Speaker, this is just more of the same cuts from the–to colleges and universities from the Pallister government, and this all in the midst of a recession. Why won't the minister change course? Mr. Eichler: The member, again, is wrong. We're adding actually $25.6 million transitional support to post-secondary is exactly what we've been doing.

We've worked continually with post -secondary institutions–not only with those institutions but the chairs as well–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Eichler: –and they're very much onside with our new program. * (11:00) Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Vital, on a final supplementary. Mr. Moses: Now, our post -secondary institutions have seen, in fact, back-to-back-to-back cuts from the Pallister government. And these documents prove

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 75 that. Their budget for next school year promises more of the same. This pandemic has really shown us that we need so much more. We need significant investment to our post-secondary institutions if we're ever going to bounce back from this recession. So will this minister change course and invest in the future of our post-secondary institutions and their students? Mr. Eichler: We have had several consultations with all post- secondaries, and I have to tell this House that I'm very pleased with our relationship, as a government, with post-secondaries.

Not only with the institutions, but the –with their boards, as well, ensuring that we increase funding to meet the need. So the new transitional funding of $25.6 million is there for our post -secondaries, not only for today, but tomorrow and into the future. That's on top of our close to $1 billion we've been giving them over the past year. Child-Care Programs Government Position Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): In a recent interview, when asked about new child-care programs and pharmacare, the Premier (Mr.

Pallister) said that we shouldn't be building a second- floor sitting room when the foundation needs work. The Premier may want to consider that since he has seven garages at one of his homes, these comments may be used by his opponents to paint him as out of touch. Some of my best friends have many garages, Madam Speaker. Tens of thousands of Manitobans, and thousands of seniors, have to choose between food, rent and medication. [interjection] No. Tens of thousands of Manitobans need child care to be able to work. These are not luxuries. It's not the 1950s anymore. Without child care, people can't work. Period.

Why is the Premier vocally opposing and refusing to fund programs that keep people well and working? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Minister of Families): Well, Madam Speaker, the Liberal member here and the NDP members opposite took an ideological approach, and continue to take an ideological approach, when it comes to child- care delivery in Manitoba, Madam Speaker. And I can tell you that that only led to further s hortages of child care in this province. That's why we're taking a very different approach. We're listening to families. We're listening to those working in the community, Madam Speaker.

And we are going to create a system of child care in this province that's there for families when they need it so they can get back to work. That child-care system will be there for them when they need it. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Boniface, on a supplementary question. Reopening the Economy Public Health Recommendations Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): It is absolutely clear that Manitoba is in the middle of a surging second wave of COVID -19, as Manitoba Liberals have been warning would happen for months. I table this letter from an assistant deputy minister of Health from September 23rd.

It says that Manitoba is now in a position to ease some restrictions and support economic recovery, and goes on to say, quote, phase 4 of reopening the Manitoba economy is based on public health advice and cons ultation with key sectors. We know businesses are facing bankruptcy be - cause this government has given them a stark choice: stay open at a pandemic, or go broke. Has the Premier been overriding and undermining public health by putting his survive-or-die, right-wing business ideology ahead of public health? Hon.

Scott Fielding (Minister of Finance): I am pleased to report in terms of 'madestro' –the– Manitoba's progress, not just on health, but also on restarting the economy. Just today, the jobs numbers came out, and Manitoba is first in private sector recovery of all the provinces of Manitoba. More than 15,000 more Manitobans got jobs last month, and our unemployment rate dropped to 7 per cent, Madam Speaker–the second best in Canada. COVID-19 and Home-Care Services Timing of Funding Changes Hon.

Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, in the name of austerity and in spite of increased spending from Ottawa, the Pallister government has made deep, deep cuts into Manitoba's Home Care program. These cuts are so severe that families who were once able to rely on Home Care for

76 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 their physically or mentally struggling loved ones now report to me that the program has essentially collapsed compared to what it was. Why has the Premier (Mr. Pallister) e viscerated Manitoba's Home Care program at the very time when it was so critically needed during the COVID -19 pandemic? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): All members of the House know that this government's response i n COVID-19 came quickly; it came early; it has been comprehensive.

We have even gained the encouragement from members on the other side who said, way to go, this is a good response. We've received those messages. Those members know that we have redeployed workforce, that we have sought, right now, to restart our surgeries and procedures and diagnostics to bring those wait times down. We have done massive work to stand up capacity. We have brought co- visitation shelters to keep seniors safe in personal-care homes. I regret the fact that the time doesn't allow me to continue to talk about all the ways in which we are expanding on our response to COVID-19.

Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Seine River. Can the member please unmute her system? South Perimeter Highway Interchange Project Update Ms. Janice Morley-Lecomte (Seine River): Madam Speaker, for 17 years the previous government neglected the south Perimeter Highway and made minimal improvements. At the end of June 2020, our government announced a St. Mary's interchange project along the south Perimeter Highway as part of the $500-million Manitoba Restart Program. Can the Minister of Infrastructure please update the House on this significant infrastructure investment? Hon.

Ron Schuler (Minister of Infrastructure): I'd like to thank the MLA for Seine River for that excellent question, one of the best this entire session. The south Perimeter safety review, Madam Speaker, was announced, released, fully funded and is now 90 per cent compl ete. Also, the Perimeter functional study, a vision statement, was announced. The report has been released, and I am pleased to announce, on behalf of our Premier and our government, that the St. Mary's overpass, the highest traffic intersection in the province without an overpass, is to be built.

The Perimeter is the intersection of our east-west, north-south economic corridor. Never before have we seen investment in infrastructure in the province like now, Madam Speaker. I am pleased to say that the St. Mary's bridge, the construction will start next spring. Thank you. Public Health Inspectors Staffing Increase Request Mr. Tom Lindsey (Flin Flon): In the middle of a pandemic, it's clear that health inspections and health inspectors are more importa nt than ever. But these essential workers are overworked and understaffed. This government has left health inspector positions vacant for years now.

Nearly 20 per cent of positions are currently unfilled. So what we need is more health inspectors doing more inspections, and we need them now. So will the government hire more public health inspectors today and agree to pay them a proper wage? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): Where the NDP did nothing to actually review the wages to public sector and public health inspectors, we will undertake that work. Madam Speaker: The time for oral questions has expired.

And we have the member for Notre Dame back on to a computer, and I wonder if there is leave to allow that memb er to continue with her petition? [Agreed] The–oh, sorry, it wasn't a petition; it was a member's statement. * (11:10) MEMBERS' STATEMENTS (Continued) Lead Concentration in Soil Ms. Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): Can you hear me? Madam Speaker: Yes. Ms. Marcelino: Okay, thanks. In December of 2019, the provincial government's commissioned report on lead

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 77 concentrations in soil in Winnipeg was released. The report found that 10 neighbourhoods had concerning levels of lead concentration in their soil. In particular, the predicted blood lead levels for children in North Point Douglas, Weston and Daniel McIntyre were above the level of concern. The Weston elementary school field was actually closed down for three years due to concerns about lead in soil. Lead exposure especially effects children aged seven years and under as their nervous system is still developing.

The effects are irreversible and include effects on learning, behaviour and intelligence. For adults, long- term lead exposure can contribute to high blood pressure, heart disease, kidney problems and reproductive effects. When I walk around my constituency, I see people gardening and children playing in the dirt, despite the risks. There are ways to do this safely, but people need to know what the risks are and how to avoid them. For example, they need to know that washing their hands after being outside helps reduce their exposure to lead, or that gardening out of containers is much safer.

In order to better understand this report, I s at down with a soil contamination scientist from the University of Manitoba to have him explain the report findings to me, and this professor actually offered his and his graduate students' services for free to do further soil sampling and public awareness talks with the communities. I would welcome a meeting with the Minister of Conservation and Climate (Mrs.

Guillemard) to discuss the elevated lead levels not only in my constituency of Notre Dame, but in other areas of Winnipeg as well, and I am calling on this government to take action to reduce Winnipeggers' exposure to lead and to implement the recommendations proposed in the report such as creating an action plan for the Weston elementary school, requisitioning a more in- depth study and a tracking pr ogram for those tested for blood– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. An Honourable Member: Leave. Madam Speaker: Is there leave to allow the member to complete her statement? [Agreed] Ms.

Marcelino: –to develop a lead awareness outreach program and a tracking program for those tested for blood lead levels so that medical professionals can follow-up with them. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Orders of the day, government business. An Honourable Member: What about petitions? Madam S peaker: Oh, sorry. I'm really jumping ahead of myself there. PETITIONS Dauphin Correctional Centre MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The provincial government plans to close the Dauphin Correctional Centre, DCC, in May 2020.

(2) The DCC is one of the largest employers in Dauphin, providing the community with good, family-supporting jobs.

(3) Approximately 80 families will be directly affected by the closure, which will also impact the local economy.

(4) As of January 27, 2020, Manitoba's justice system was already more than 250 inmates overcapacity. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the Minister of Justice to immediately reverse the decision to close the DCC and proceed with the previous plan to build a new correctional and healing centre with an expanded courthouse in Dauphin. This has been signed by many Manitobans. Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule 133(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to be received by the House. Mr.

Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I wish to present the following petition to the Manitoba Legislative Assembly. And the petition–the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The provincial government plans to close the Dauphin Correctional Centre, DCC, in May 2020.

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(2) The DCC is one of the largest employers in Dauphin, providing the community with good, family-supporting jobs.

(3) Approximately 80 families will be directed – directly affected by the closure, which will also impact the local economy.

(4) As of January 27th, 2020, Manitoba's justice system was already more than 250 inmates overcapacity. We petit ion the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the Minister of Justice to immediately reverse the decision to close the DCC and proceed with the previous plan to build a new correctional and healing centre with an expanded courthouse in Dauphin. And this petition, Madam Speaker, is signed by many Manitobans. Mr. Adrien Sala (St. James): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly.

The background to this petition is as follows: The provincial government plans to close the Dauphin Correctional Centre in May 2020. The Dauphin Correctional Centre is one of the largest employers in Dauphin, providing the community with good, family-supporting jobs. And approximately 80 families will be directed – directly affected by the closure, which will also impact the local economy. And as of January 27, 2020, Manitoba's justice system was already more than 250 inmates overcapacity.

We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the Minister of Justice t o immediately reverse the decision to close the Dauphin Correctional Centre and proceed with the previous plan to build a new correctional and healing centre with an expanded courthouse in Dauphin. And this has been signed by many Manitobans. Mr. Jamie M oses (St. Vital): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this position–petition is as follows:

(1) The provincial government plans to close the Dauphin Correctional Centre, DCC, in May 2020. The DCC is one of the largest employers in Dauphin, providing the community with good, family-supporting jobs. Approximately 80 families will be directly affected by the closure, which will also impact the local economy.

(4) As of January 27, 2020, Manitoba's jus tice system was already more than 250 inmates overcapacity. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the Minister of Justice to immediately reverse the decision to close the DCC and proceed with the previous plan to build a new correctional and healing centre with an expanded courthouse in Dauphin. This petition has been signed by many Manitobans. Vivian Sand Facility Project–Clean Environment Commission Review Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly.

The background to this petition is as follows: The Vivian sands project is a proposed silica sand mine and processing plant to be built in the RM of Springfield. The overall project includes mining claims of over 85,000 hectares, making it the largest claim ever given to a single company in Manitoba's history. It is larger than the city of Winnipeg, which has 46,410 hectares. The amount of dry, solid sand mined, produced per year according to the environmental act proposal is 1.36 million tons, and much of this sand will be used in fracking.

A major concern of the proposed mine and plant is that, if developed, it could contaminate the Sandilands aquifer, including both carbonate and sandstone aqui fers, which covers much of southeastern Manitoba. It has excellent water quality and is the water source for tens of thousands of Manitobans, including many municipal water systems, agriculture, industry, private wells and an abundance of wildlife and ecos ystems. Further, people in the Indigenous communities that are

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 79 potentially affected by this were not afforded the required Indigenous consultation from either federal or provincial government officials. The sustainable yield of the combined sandstone and carbonite aquifers has still not yet been established by provincial authorities. The mine could cause leaching of acid and heavy metals and pollute the aquifer, as it will go down 200 feet into the Winnipeg formation of the sandstone aquifer.

There is co ncern that the shale which separates the carbonate and sandstone aquifers–sand and pyrite oolite itself contain sulfites– will, when exposed to injected air from the CanWhite Sands extraction process, turn to acid.

An additional concern with the proposed mine and plant is the potential to pollute the Brokenhead River and the aquatic food chain leading to Lake Winnipeg. * (11:20) Residents in the area have also expressed fears of being overexposed to silica dust during production, as there has been a demo nstrated lack of safety and environmental procedures by the CanWhite Sands Corporation during the exploratory drilling phase.

Signage and fencing has been poor; identifying and required mine claim tags were missing; there were no warnings for silica dust exposure and no coverings to prevent exposure at the silica stockpile to the elements. Residents' concerns include the fact that boreholes, which should've been promptly and properly sealed, were left open for a year. The drilling of hundreds of improperly sealed boreholes yearly creates significant risks of surface contamination, mixing of aquifer waters and drainage of surface fecal matter into the aquifer.

There is also a risk of subsidence around each borehole as a result of sand extraction. There are also potential transboundary issues that need to be addressed as the aquifers extend into Minnesota. This project should not proceed, as no licensing conditions and mitigation measures will alleviate the risk to all Manitobans with no established safe outcome. The corporation has gone on record indicating that it does not know how to mine for silica in the water supply and need to develop a new extraction methodology that has never been done before.

Contamination of the aquifers and the environment is i rreversible, and there are many surface sources of high purity silica that can be extracted without endangering two essential regional aquifers. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to undertake a combined review of the Vivian Sand Facility processing plant and the mining/extraction portion of the operation as a class 3 development with a review by Manitoba's Clean Environment Commission to include public hearings and participant funding.

To urge the provincial government to halt all activity at the mine and plant until the Clean Environment Commission's review is completed and the project proposal has been thoroughly evaluated. Signed by Sherrill Sidorski, Sharon Mihalyk, Perry Lafreniere and many, many others. Cochlear Implant Program Ms. Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) People who suffer hearing loss due to aging, illness, employment or accident not only lose the ability to communicate effectively with friends, relatives or colleagues, they also can experience unemployment, social isolation and struggles with mental health.

(2) A cochlear implant is a life -changing electronic device that allows deaf people to receive and process sounds and speech and also can partially restore hearing in people who have severe hearing loss and who do not benefit from conventional hearing aids. A processor behind the ear captures and processes sound signals, which are transmitted to a receiver implanted into the skull that relays the information to the inner ear.

(3) The technology has been available since 1989 through the Central Speech and Hearing Clinic, founded in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The surgical hearing implant program began implanting patients in the fall of 2011 and marked completion of 250 cochlear implant surgeries in Manitoba in the summer of 2018. The program has implanted about 60 devices since the summer of 2018, as it is only able to implant about 40 to 45 devices per year.

80 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 There are no upfront costs to Manitoba residents who proceed with cochlear implant surgery, as Manitoba Health covers this surgical procedure, internal implant and the first external sound processor. Newfoundland and Manitoba have the highest estimated implantation costs of all provinces. Alberta has one of the best programs with Alberta aids for daily living, and their cost share means the patient pays only approximately $500 out of pocket.

Assistive Devices Program in Ontario covers 75 per cent of the cost, up to a maximum amount of $5,444, for a cochlear implant replacement speech processor. The BC Adult Cochlear Implant Program offers subsidized replacements to aging sound processors through the Sound Processor Replacement Program. This provincially funded program is available to those cochlear implant recipients whose sound processors have reached six to seven years old.

(6) The cochlear implant is a lifelong commit - ment. However, as the technology changes over time, parts and software become no longer functional or available. The cost of upgrading a cochlear implant in Manitoba of approximately $11,000 is much more expensive than in other provinces, as adult patients are responsible for the upgrade cos ts of their sound processor.

(7) In Manitoba, pediatric patients under 18 years of age are eligible for funding assistance through the Cochlear Implant Speech Processor Replacement Program, which provides up to 80 per cent of the replacement costs associated with a device upgrade.

(8) It is unreasonable that this technology is inaccessible to many citizens of Manitoba, who must choose between hearing and deafness due to financial constraints because the costs of maintaining the equipment are prohibitive for low-income earners or those on a fixed income, such as old age pension or Employment and Income Assistance.

We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide financing for upgrades to cochlea r implants covered under medicare or provide funding assistance through the Cochlear Implant Speech Processor Replacement Program to assist with the replacement costs associated with a device upgrade. This petition has been signed by many Manitobans. Madam Speaker: Are there any further petitions? If not, then I will call orders of the day.

ORDERS OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS THRONE SPEECH (Second Day of Debate) Madam Speaker: Resuming debate on the motion of the honourable member for Swan River (Mr. Wowchuk) and the amendment thereto, standing in the name of the honourable Minister for Municipal Relations, who has one minute remaining. Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Municipal Relations): With my remaining minute, I would just like to take the opportunity to wish all Manitobans and all my colleagues in the Manitoba Legislature a safe and happy Thanksgiving.

And while we may not be able to gather in the traditional ways that we normally like to do on Thanksgiving, this is a great –this will be a great weekend to get out and explore all of Manitoba's wonderful trails. And there will be more trails in the future of this province thanks to a $7- million commitment that our government made this morning to trails –building trails in Manitoba. Very ple ased about that announcement. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. This concludes my remarks, and I wish you and your family a very happy Thanksgiving. Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St.

Johns): It's my pleasure to have the first opportunity to stand in the House and start debating not only the Throne Speech, but some of the legislative agenda that we see coming down the pike from the Premier (Mr. Pallister) of this province. I'm going to focus my conversation this morning, Madam Speaker, on what is now called Bill 2, BITSA.

It is particularly egregious that, in 2020, in the midst of a pandemic, I am forced to get up in the House and talk about the fact that the Pallister government is attacking Indigenous children, is taking money from Indigenous children who are in care, who is legislating the right of the government to do so. Bill 2, in

section 84, Madam Speaker, is legislating the right of the Pallister government to take the Children's Special Allowance meant for children who are in CFS care. So, not only are they taking millions and millions and millions of dollars from Indigenous children–the most at -risk, the most at-need, the most vulnerable of all of Manitoba –but they are also legislating away the rights of Indigenous children to sue the government for monies that are rightfully owed them.

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 81 They are effectively, in 2020, legislating the constitutional rights away of Indigenous children. When folks came here on Wednesday, Madam Speaker, I'm sure members of the House would have seen the 500 signs that sit at the front of the Leg.–on the grounds of the front of the Leg. I have been out there several times. I don't remember seeing any PC MLAs going to read the signs. But what the signs say, Madam Speaker, is basically that the Pallister government is taking money from children.

They're legislating the legal right to do so and that they are legislating the rights of Indigenous children away. I encourage each and every one of the members, here and virtual, to go and read the signs. * (11:30) The other thi ngs that folks would have seen is they would've seen teepees up in front of the Legislative grounds. The signs and the teaching–the teepees were erected by Cora Morgan, who is the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs' family advocate, and her staff. I want to tak e this opportunity to just acknowledge the really good work that Cora Morgan and her staff do at the advocacy office.

I have had the opportunity to go and visit many times and sit down with predominantly women in that office and listen to the work that the y're doing, listen to the dedication and the commitment that they have to our children, not only bringing our children home into their families and their communities, but also continuing the fight to protect Indigenous children's rights. And they did so again and they’ve showed the dedication in doing so by the signs and the teepees.

What I'll share with the House, in case nobody knows—and I would suggest that they probably don't know because I don't think anybody has gone down to visit—but, as of Wednesday, there was a fast that was started in one of the teepees. And so from–every day, from now until when Bill 2, BITSA, receives royal assent, there will be community members that will be fasting in the teepees. And so, actually, right now as we speak, Cora Morgan is there with one of her staff. They've been fasting since yesterday at 12 noon and their fast will end at 12 noon, in less than a half an hour, today.

Yesterday, Grand Chief Arlen Dumas and Elder Perry [phonetic] also did the first fast. So I e ncourage Manitobans that, if they want to support not only the fast but support the right to protect Indigenous children, to support Indigenous children themselves, please come down safely, socially distance, to the Leg. and offer your support.

You know, Madam Speaker, I've stood up in this House many, many times since 2016 when I was first elected, and one of the things that I have repeatedly said is that every single member in this House –every single PC member –is complicit, has allowed really egregious, grotesque pieces of legislation to pass without even a peep from the other side. They sit in their seats, they say not one word when their boss decides that–at a whim, that he's going to do whatever particular egregious legislation or say whatever particular racist thing that he wants to say.

And not one single member from the PC caucus ever stands up to their boss. And here we are, in 2020, and the Minister of Finance (Mr. Fielding) just introduced again BITSA– Bill 2 now, it was previously known as Bill 34. And they know that in this bill–they know that since 2016, every year that they introduce BITSA, they know that they embed and they sneak in really gross changes to amendment–or, to legislation. And so here, today, they know that the Minister of Fin ance, doing the bidding of the Premier (Mr. Pallister), introduced Bill 2 and not one of them has spoken up.

Not one of them, in all the months that we have been in the midst of a pandemic and not sitting, not one of them said to the Premier, hey, you know what, Brian –oh, Pallister –the Pallister government–I apologize, Madam Speaker–not one of the members have said to their boss that, you know, Premier, I don't want to be part of a Pallister government that embeds legislation that targets Indigenous children. I don't want to be a part of that. Not one of them have done that. They had time to change BITSA.

We know that, actually, they have changed BITSA and they've made it–if that was at all possible –they've made it even worse than it was before. We'll get to some of that and I'll share with Manitobans what's going on now. September 30th is Orange Shirt Day, and I want to share that Orange Shirt Day is about the acknowledgement of the colonial history here in Canada. It is the acknowledgement of, for gener a- tions, Indigenous children were stolen from their families and their communities.

They were taken from their families and their communities and their cultures, and they were put in residential schools, and in residential schools, our people suffered unimaginable horrors, including my own family.

82 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 And on September 30th, it's a day to acknowledge our individual responsibilities to ensure that that never happens again; that it doesn't happen in all of its forms. Essentially, residential schools were an attempt to kill Indigenous children. It was a genocide. It was a cultural genocide against Indigenous children. Over the years, Madam Speaker, that expression, that colonial pursuit has looked different over the years.

And it has been a historical continuum, and so we had residential schools, we had '60s scoop, where government took and stole Indigenous children and adopted them off into white families, not only in our own territories, but even in the States –as far as the States. And I would suggest to the House that today what we have is the continuation in the Child and Family Services. We have more children in care today across the country that rivals residential schools.

It is a continuation of that process where the colonial state comes into Indigenous communities and imparts themselves into Indigenous families, and once again says that we're not good parents, once again penalizes us through our children. And the vast majority of cases in which children are apprehended are predicated upon the inter - generational response and consequences of residential schools.

And so I find it particularly gross, Madam Speaker, that on September 30th, we have members of the PC caucus who will tweet support on Orange Shirt Day, who will post videos about their responsibility to ensure that residential schools – that we learn about residential schools; that #everychildmatters. It is so gross and disingenuous that members opposite have the gall to tweet and post videos when right now, today, this very minute, this very second, they are sitting by while their boss legislates the constitutional rights of Indigenous children away. Who does that? Well, who does that?

The member for Justice and the Attorney General (Mr. Cullen) retweeted the Minister for Indigenous and Northern Rel ations' tweet, her video. The member for Kildonan- River East (Mrs. Cox)–the Minister for Sport, Culture and Heritage, the Minister for Status of Women–retweeted the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Relations' (Ms. Clarke) tweet. The member for Rossme re (Mr. Micklefield) made a video or a–not even sure what this is, maybe a tweet–wearing an orange shirt in support of Orange Shirt Day, supposedly in support of Indigenous children, Indigenous survivors. The member for Selkirk (Mr.

Lagimodiere) retweeted the Minister of Indigenous and Northern Affairs' tweet. The member for Southdale (Ms. Gordon) made a video wearing an orange shirt, asking folks to come together in the spirit of reconciliation and hope to commemorate residential school survivors and the ir victims and Indigenous communities. The member for –or the Minister for Municipal Relations, the member for Riel (Ms.

Squires), posted a video, as well, wearing orange, asking us to believe them when they say every child matters. * (11:40) Orange Shirt Day, Madam Speaker, the premise behind it, the principle behind it is that people that adhere to that believe in Indigenous children and will stand up for Indigenous children, not express breath that means absolutely nothing in the context of sitting here in this Chamber today when you are legislating the rights away of Indigenous children.

So, for the Manitobans that are watching and for the Manitobans that will watch my video later on, here's what the Pallister government is doing: the federal govern ment gives what is called children's special allowance. It is dollars that are specifically supposed to go to Indigenous children in care. It is a monthly payment for a child who is under the age of 18, is–and who is maintained by a CFS agency. An agency is required to apply for the CSA funding for each child. Payments can be used exclusively, Madam Speaker, towards the care, maintenance, education, training and advancement of the child.

Payments are protected and not to be assigned or charged to another department or coffers. What the Pallister government has done and what they're legislating in Bill 2 is that they are taking those millions and millions and millions of dollars directly from Indigenous children and they put it into general government coffers, revenues. And while they say that they're no longer clawing back those CSA dollars, that's exactly what they're doing. And they're able to do it in respect of the block funding, that formula that now every CFS agency is under.

What they've done is they clawed back the CSA dollars from the budget that they would normally give to agencies to take care of children. And so they are legalizing the right to do so.

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 83 And what has happened, Madam Speaker, since the introduction of block funding is that it has instituted the deficit operations of CFS agencies, and I can give you a good example. My home community of Sagkeeng First Nation –of which I am a proud, proud member –when block funding came into existence and they were given their dollars, the dollars never account for children that potentially will come into care.

Those numbers are always based on previous sets of numbers for children, and so in one week last year we had come into our CFS system five different families with five children each: 25 children that came into care within one week. The agency doesn't get any dollars to be able to support those children because they weren't calculated previously.

The agency is not able to get those CSA dollars because now the government is clawing those back and the government is attempting to make it look like they're giving those dollars to agencies, but in fact, agencies are operating at deficits even at the beginning of fiscal years. The Pallister government, Madam Speaker, as we speak, is stealing money from Indigenous children and they're not doing it as a matter of policy, they're doing it–they're legislating it in Bill 2.

Right now, Madam Speaker, there are two provincial court cases before the courts that were filed by two different plaintiffs or groups, and both of them, in different ways, seek before the courts to stop the Pallister government from taking the child special allowance from Indigenous children. What Bill 2 does, in

section 84, is basically it says, we don't give a crap what happens in the court case. This bill will supersede our courts, so no matter what the courts decide, this bill will determine that it doesn't matter. You can't sue us. We're legislating it. We're going to make it legal that we're going to steal your dollars. So not only is the Pallister government, not only is the Premier (Mr.

Pallister), stealing money from Indigenous children, money that's supposed to go to support their education, their health care, whatever they may need, the children's special allowance–also, agencies will often give Indigenous children those dollars when they age out of care. That's what the Premier's taking, and the Premier is saying that not only are we going to legislate that, not only are we going to make that legal, but you can't do anything about it. We're actually –we don't care what the Manitoba provincial court system says.

We're going to do whatever the heck we want to do with Indigenous children in 2020, Madam Speaker. This isn't–we're not talking 1870, when the RCMP used to come into our communities and steal our children, regardless of whether or not we wanted to, and ship off our children and put them in the clutches of pedophiles. We're talking about 2020, right now, that Indigenous children are being stolen from and that their constitutional rights are being legislated away by the Premier of Manitoba. And again, while he does that, every single member sits there quietly.

They are complicit in what is going on today, and so, spare me your videos, your Orange Shirt Day. Don't ever put our children in your mouth again. Keep our children out of your mouth. Don't wear orange shirts on Orange Shirt Day when you're going to allow your Premier to legislate the rights of our children away forever. Do not put our children in your mouth ever again. Miigwech, Madam Speaker. Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): It's–I would– it's not really a pleasure to respond to this Speech from the Throne. This is a bad Speech from the Throne. It's bad in many ways.

It pays lip service to the cris is we’re living through while doing the bare minimum to respond. It neglects the real needs of small business, health and early childhood education and communities across Manitoba. It shows outright contempt for Indigenous people and Manitobans more generally, and it appears to use policies to settle personal scores. In a year of incredible turmoil over racial justice and injustice, this government is choosing to escalate and double -down with language that paints Indigenous people as –unfairly as criminals.

The PC government, in this Throne Speech, is promising to take away fundamental rights, including treaty rights, the right to free speech, the right to free assembly, the right to be heard in court. It commits to giving millions of dollars to a political ally to fund a politically motivated witch hunt into political interference into Hydro, even as it explicitly commits to even more political interference in Hydro and MPI. It undermines local democracy and democratic institutions.

It undermines free in quiry, research and higher education, and as its centerpiece, it promises a policy that will increase our debt, shift the burden of

84 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 taxes even more to people who work for a living and to businesses. It will make housing less affordable, undermine education funding and drive up the cost of living and doing business in Manitoba. It is a Throne Speech whose policies will hurt Manitobans in every single constituency in this province.

It is a Throne Speech from a government that misleads, misdirects and then d enies respon - sibility for its own actions and a budget bill that absolves the Manitoba government of taking hundreds of millions of dollars from the most vulnerable Manitobans: children in care. This is legalized theft. Now, I want to say that this sprin g, after the pandemic was declared, we worked in good faith with this government. We shared ideas and constructive suggestions and the complaints that we were 'indated' with from Manitobans in our constituencies and beyond.

In mid -April, we had an agreemen t with all three parties to work together to pass urgent bills. The government seemed to be signalling that they were going to do something to help the economy, but as we sat in that Chamber, debating and voting on $5 billion in new borrowing, and the P remier (Mr.

Pallister) and ministers were sending out missives across the province demanding cuts of 10, 20 and 30 per cent. * (11:50) In the midst of this crisis, when trust was all- important, when the economy and health of Manitobans was in the balance, this government chose to pull a fast one, and it destroyed the trust we had. And there were real consequences: the cuts that were proposed at that time would have closed the University of Winnipeg, Brandon University, the Manitoba Museum and many other i nstitutions besides. And I thought then of the word that U.S.

Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, who took a stark market crash at the beginning of the Depression and turned it into a depression because he clung to the same conservative economic superstiti ons that this government does. Mellon told the President of the US at the time: Liquidate labour. Liquidate stocks. Liquidate the farmers. Liquidate real estate. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. None of that happened. It made everything worse. Yet that is exactly what this Throne Speech promises. A pandemic is no time for delusions or denial, but that is what we're seeing from this government.

Federal health funding is up. This government froze funding, closed ERs, sold off lands. The L ake St. Martin project has been delayed because the Province bungled the proposal. Aside from messing up consultations with First Nations communities, there wasn't even a map of Lake St. Martin in the submission. The entire foundation of this government' s messaging is based on a denial of responsibility that everything is someone else's fault. In this government's second term, they are still blaming the NDP, and they make claims about federal funding that are not true. Why do they do this?

So the Premier and his ministers can claim that they don't have a choice, that their hands are tied, that if they are closing ERs or firing nurses or selling off labs or freezing wages, it's all someone else's fault. The Premier says he is cutting health care because he does not have a choice. The reality is that this government has been cutting health care and infrastructure and more because they want to.

In a democracy, this lack of accountability is corrosive, and this Throne Speech and this government is built on e vading responsibility or justifying wrongdoing by continually saying the NDP did the same thing as well. The government members railed on the NDP for political interference with Crowns, but this Throne Speech explicitly promises political interference with Crown corporations. This Throne Speech pays lip service to Indigenous relations and promises, too, blatantly divisive measures that deny constitutional rights.

And I will say, one of the centrepiece promises of this government, the claim that they will lower education property taxes, is an incredibly damaging proposal. The original cut was promised to be $850 million a year. That's $850 million a year out of the education budget every year, Madam Speaker, $8.5 billion over 10 years, and there was a promise it wouldn't happen until the budget was balanced. So that is why we have this ridiculous, retroactive balancing of the budget, cooking the books to justify going ahead with this promise despite a deficit this year of at least $2.5 billion.

Now, a few things about this education property tax promise: we are running a deficit right now. People who own property, generally, are people who

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 85 are better off than people who don't own property. And the more property you have, the more you pay in taxes. So right now, the PC government is proposing to borrow money, at interest, to give people who are generally better off a tax cut. There will be less money for education. We're going to go deeper into debt for this. And it means shifting the tax burden away from people who own property to people who don't. People who pay income tax. People who pay PST. People who pay business taxes.

If you ran a business, would you take out a loan so your big-spending clients would spend less at your store? Your debt goes up, and your revenue goes down. If the PCs were running a business, they would be going into debt to pay people to shop less at their store. So that's the first problem. The other is, who really benefits from that property tax cut? The PCs will tell you that it' s on your kitchen table or in your pocket, but there's someone else out there who wants that money: the banks.

The banks figure if you're not spending that money on public schools, you can spend it on a higher mortgage payment, and that's exactly what happens. When you lower property taxes, the price of land goes up. And that money you thought you were going to save, the bank wants it. And they will lend you even more to make sure it gets out of your pocket. Now, this Throne Speech talks specifically about how it's good when prices go down. Now, the Premier (Mr. Pallister) didn't have a problem with prices going up when Bell –the Bell MTS merger happened, or tuition going up or life-saving drugs costing more.

But there's another exception about the price going up, and it's a big one –it's property, because property taxes keep property prices lower. Those taxes go to education, so it is plowed right back into the one of the best investments we can make in the younger generation, right in your community. When property taxes drop, the money goes to the bank, which probably isn't in Manitoba. For some people, higher property prices might seem great: banks, real estate, insurance agents and property speculators.

Because when property prices keep going up, the banks, real estate agents and insurance salesmen can keep making more and more money even if they're not doing any more work. But there's a problem for everyone else, for everyone who has to pay higher property prices to buy a new house –especially first -time homeowners, businesses, start-ups–because that high property price and that high mortgage is overhead for every family, farm and business in this province. That high overhead means people need higher wages just to put a roof over their head.

Rents are higher, debt is higher, the cost of living goes up, the cost of doing business goes up and it makes us less competitive. The money you were paying to run public schools, which stayed in the community paying teachers and EAs to educate our children, will be funnelled off into the coffers of a bank on Bay Street. This is an incredibly bad policy. And again, consider the downsides of what this government is proposing.

The Pallister government is going to borrow money with interest, growing the deficit and the debt in order to give that money to property owners, so anyone who doesn't work and own property is going to have a bigger share of that debt to pay off in the future. Banks will eat up that tax break and increase your debt and property prices–more mortgage debt, higher costs of living in doing business in a less competitive economy–and the money leaves the province instead of staying here in the community. It's bad for just about everyone. But who is it good for?

The Premier himself, who would not only get a property tax cut but who would, as the owner of an insurance business, be able to sell bigger policies and make more money with no extra work. Now there are many statements in this Throne Speech that are, to be polite, completely divorced from reality. It repeats many of the same exaggerations and manipulations we've heard over and over again from this government. And it happens that I come from a generation where my parents and grandparents lived through crises. Both my grandfathers lived in the First World War.

My grandmother's father died in the Spanish flu epidemic, leaving five children and a pregnant widow behind to a very hard life. My father was born in 1933 in the depths of the Depression. He grew up the youngest of five children in a converted granary on a Headingley river lot next to the jail. My mother was born the year before the outbreak of the Second World War. When my grandfather went off to serve in the Second World War, he left his wife and two children behind and they endured 18 years of rationing in the UK.

86 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 And we sat around the kitchen table as a family talking about the Depression and the war. And so when I hear the Depression invoked, and I think of the hard life and hard lessons that my family and millions of others had t o endure under politicians in governments who did not know any better, I find it insulting that we have a Throne Speech that goes out of its way to make life worse for so many Manitobans. And I mean that. There is something in this Throne Speech to hurt Manitobans living in every single constituency in Manitoba, some more than others.

It is a Throne Speech that pays lip service to events of colossal suffering while having learned nothing from those events whatsoever. This Throne Speech–and indeed the entire agenda of this government –is based on inflicting pointless misery on people, many of whom endured that same misery under the NDP. The misery of a depression and two world wars brought Canadians and countries around the world to a realization that we needed a new deal because the ideas they had taken to that point had failed. Because, for all that the Premier (Mr.

Pallister) and his decisions may sometimes be –seem erratic or hard to understand, it is quite clear to me that there is method to the Premier's madness. There's a pattern to the far -right ideas this government continually presents in legislation. It's in conservative ideology that the Premier and his acolytes subscribe to, and it's based on ignoring and tearing down every progressive achievement of the new deal–the very things that got us out of the Depression and built modern Canada.

Dismantling regulation that keep people safe, crushing the bargaining power of the unions for the sake of cheap labour but also to undermine political opponents, undermining universities and colleges so that only people of means can attend–there is nothing bold or new about this. * (12:00) This represents the action of conservative politicians who've spent a lifetime reaping the benefits of the sacrifice of earli er generations and public programs and they're now kicking the ladder away for the rest of us.

So it will come as no surprise we do not support this Throne Speech and we offer the following subamendments. I move, seconded by the member for Tyndall Park (Ms.

Lamoureux), THAT the motion be amended by adding after clause (bb) the following clauses: (cc) failed to adequately prepare personal -care homes in Manitoba for the second wave of the pandemic, resulting in too many cases and deaths in personal-care homes; and (dd) failed to adequately test some COVID -19- related supplies like masks so that a large amount of money was spent wastefully in paying for substandard PPE; and (ee) failed to maintain adequate home -care services during the pandemic, with the result that some seniors have not been sufficiently supported at home and have had to go into personal-care homes, where they are at greater risk of getting COVID-19 infections; and (ff) failed on basic due diligence on the safety of health products, resulting in the purchase of a–$1.2 million in hand sanitizer made from fuel ethanol that was a health hazard; and (gg) failed to provide support for Manitoba businesses, many of whom still face bankruptcy, thanks to the provincial government–will not comp ensate them for forced closures; and (hh) failed to provide supports for workers who have been hardest hit by the pandemic or to provide compensation for self-isolation; and (ii) failed to respond to the crisis in early learning and education, choosing to follow a failed model of piecemeal private care instead of a strong public system where all educators are paired –paid fair wages while being recognized under the Education Department; and (jj) failed to protect students, families, teachers and staff in the education–by forcing a back- to-school plan that was initially unfunded, and refused to commit to essential safety measures against COVID -19 in the public school system; and (kk) failed to protect French language rights and services by not having communications materials or COVID -19 questionnaires in French; and

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 87 (ll) failed to adhere to basic principles of justice and morality by introducing bills that usurp the power of the courts by cancelling court cases and voiding legal contracts while depriving plaintiffs of their day in court and shielding ministers from responsibility and accountability; and (mm) failed to follow the basic duty of upholding the law and the constitution by introducing bills that undermine fundamental consti - tutional rights, in cluding the rights to free speech, freedom of association and collective bargaining; and (nn) failed to advance reconciliation by refusing to work in partnership with Indigenous communities and instead introducing bills that infringe on constitutional Indigenous rights; and (oo) failed, again, to articulate any vision for growing Manitoba's economy other than yet another plan to plan; and (pp) failed to provide access to children with disabilities, including learning disabilities in the K-to-12 education system; and (qq) failed to achieve the eco-certification of the whitefish fishery on Lake Winnipeg and other lakes in Manitoba in order to enable better markets for Manitoba whitefish, at the same time ensuring the fishery is sustainable; and (rr) failed to support municipalities in their efforts to represent the will of their citizens by promising to force private sector infrastructure projects which satisfy Progressive Conservative donors; and (ss) failed to ensure conflict of interest legislation was in place to prevent a former minister, within months of being defeated in the 2019 election, from being able to get a job with a private company that was recently awarded a very large contract from the provincial government to deliver crucial health-care services to remote and northern Manitobans; and (tt) failed to ensure that government officials abide by basic conflict of interest rules, allowing them to run side businesses, including working on political campaigns that under any –undermine any pret ense of being impartial; and (uu) failed to adequately address the issue of contaminated sites and lead exposure in St.

Boniface and Weston in Winnipeg after years of reports which were not disclosed; and (vv) failed to commit to systematic testing of blood lead levels in children aged one to three years of age in areas where known lead contamination exists from past or present industrial activity, older homes with lead paint and/or lead water pipes; and (ww) failed to commit to community and employee input and evidence -based out - comes for health-care changes, and placing insulin pumps, hearing aids and life -saving drugs and devices under medicare; and (xx) failed to commit to implement the Diabetes 360° strategy developed by Diabetes Canada to help treat and prevent further diabetes in the province; and (yy) failed to present a mental health and addictions strategy to address to the methamphetamine and opioid crises by covering mental health care under Medicare to address the needs of vulnerable Manitobans; and (zz) failed to commit to address the urgent need for First Nations housing or developing emergency management protocols for northern and remote communities; and (aaa) failed to mention the importance of immigration to Manitoba's economic and social fabric, which can largely be attributed to the Provincial Nominee Program; and (bbb) failed to commit to reversing the decisions to dismantle collaborative health-care teams and increase senior management positions in health by expanding another bureaucratic arm of the provincial government with Shared Health Services; and (ccc) failed to commit to improving issues relating to independent living, hospice and personal-care homes or reversing the decision to raise costs on senior -home programs; and

88 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 (ddd) failed to commit to raising standards for ethics, integrity and conflict of interest for senior members of the civil service; and (eee) failed to commit to enhancing the protection of children under the care of Child and Family Services; and (fff) failed to provide the Manitoba Advocate for Children and Youth with expansive investigative powers needed to properly advocate for children and youth; and (ggg) failed to implement plans to reduce poverty by replacing Employment and Income Assistance with a jobs and basic income program to help those in greatest need; and (hhh) failed to commit to ending the extraction of natural resources –mining–in provincial parks; and (iii) failed to update –implement the duty -to- consult framework for Indigenous commit - tees, resulting in the delay of major projects such as the Lake Manitoba-Lake St.

Martin flood outlet channels project; and (jjj) failed to respond adequately to states of emergency declared in rural municipalities after significant drought conditions hav e hindered 'farmeries' abilities to operate successfully; and (kkk) failed to address the unacceptably long delays for northern Manitobans to get bail in the criminal justice system; and (lll) failed to work with the federal government on the development of a national pharma - care program to address the high cost of pharmaceuticals, especially for seniors and vulnerable Manitobans; and (mmm) failed to commit to not dismantling Manitoba's school divisions and keeping community input in education systems; and (nnn) failed to commit to stop charging Manitoba Hydro exorbitant fees which increases the debt level and prevents the corporation from returning to financial health; (ooo) failed to commit to providing fiscal stability to strengthen provincial governm ent reve - nues and develop a credible plan on growth and investment instead of cuts; (ppp) failed to commit to spending locally and stop hiring consultants from outside the province; and (qqq) failed to commit to developing strategies to work with the fede ral government, Metis and First Nations peoples to ensure that all Manitoba First Nation communities have better access to improved 'nurthing' stations, health-care initiatives such as the Nuka program, clean running water, Internet and phone connectivity, teachers and land air and–teachers and land and air transpor - tation; and (rrr) failed to commit to fulfilling the provincial government's election promises of raising the personal tax exemption to the national average, fast -tracking the construction of 1,200 personal-care-home beds and to work positively and respectfully with Indigenous people and communities on– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired.

I–the member has –had varied his text slightly from the written version that was submitted, and I would ask, is there leave to consider the motion as written? [Agreed] THAT the motion be amended by adding after clause (bb) the following clauses: cc) failed to adequately prepare personal care homes in Manitoba for the second wave of the pandemic, resul ting in too many cases and deaths in personal care homes; and dd) failed to adequately test some COVID -19 related supplies like masks so that a large amount of money was spent wastefully in paying for substandard personal protective equipment; and ee) failed to maintain adequate home care services during the pandemic with the result that some seniors have not been sufficiently supported at home and have had to go into personal care homes where they are at greater risk of getting COVID-19 infections; and ff) failed on basic due diligence on the safety of health products, resulting in the purchase of $1.2-million in hand sanitizer made from fuel ethanol that was a health hazard; and

October 9, 2020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 89 gg) failed to provide support for Manitoba businesses, many of whom still fac e bank - ruptcy because the Provincial Government will not compensate them for forced closures, and; hh) failed to provide supports for workers who have been hardest hit by the pandemic or to provide compensation for self-isolation, and: ii) failed to resp ond to the crisis in Early Learning and Education, choosing to follow a failed model of piecemeal private care instead of a strong public system, where all educators are paid fair wages while being recognized under the Education Department; and jj) failed to protect students, families, teachers and staff in the education by forcing a back - to-school plan that was initially unfunded, and refusing to commit to essential safety measures against Covid- 19 in the public school system; and kk) failed to protect Fr ench language rights and services, by not having communications materials or Covid -19 questionnaires in French; and ll) failed to adhere to basic principles of justice and morality by introducing bills that usurp the power of the courts by cancelling court cases and voiding legal contracts while depriving plaintiffs of their day in court, and shielding Ministers from responsibility and accountability; and mm) failed to follow the basic duty of upholding the law and the constitution, by introducing bills that undermine fundamental constitutional rights, including the right to free speech, freedom of association and collective bargaining; and nn) failed to advance reconciliation by refusing to work in partnership with Indigenous commu- nities and instead introd ucing bills that infringe on constitutional Indigenous rights; and oo) failed, again, to articulate any vision for growing Manitoba’s economy other than yet another plan to plan; and pp) failed to provide access to children with disabilities, including learning disabilities in the K-to-12 education system; and qq) failed to achieve the eco -certification of the whitefish fishery on Lake Winnipeg and other lakes in Manitoba in order to enable better markets for Manitoba whitefish, at the same time ensuring the fishery is sustainable; and rr) failed to support municipalities in their efforts to represent the will of their citizens by promising to force private sector infra- structure projects which satisfy Progressive Conservative donors; and ss) failed to ensure conflict of interest legislation was in place to prevent a former minister, within months of being defeated in the 2019 election, from being able to get a job with a private company that was recently awarded a very large contract from the Provincial Government to deliver crucial healthcare services to remote and northern Manitobans; and tt) failed to ensure that government officials abide by basic conflict of interest rules, allowing them to run side businesses including working on political campaigns t hat under - mine any pretense of being impartial; and uu) failed to adequately address the issue of contaminated sites and lead exposure in St.

Boniface and Weston in Winnipeg after years of reports which were not disclosed; and vv) failed to commit to systematic testing of blood lead levels in children aged one to three years of age in areas where known lead contamination exists from past or present industrial activity, older homes with lead paint and/or lead water pipes; and ww) failed to commit to community and employee input and evidence based outcomes for healthcare changes and placing insulin

90 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 9, 2020 pumps, hearing aids and life-saving drugs and devices under Medicare; and xx) failed to commit to implement the Diabetes 360o strategy developed by Diabetes Canada to help treat and prevent further diabetes in the province; and yy) failed to present a mental health and addictions strategy to address to the methamphetamine and opioid crises by covering mental healthcare under Medicare to address the needs of vulnerabl e Manitobans; and zz) failed to commit to addressing the urgent need for First Nations housing or developing emergency management protocols for northern and remote communities; and aaa) failed to mention the importance of immigration to Manitoba’s economic and social fabric, which can be largely attributed to the Provincial Nominee Program; and bbb) failed to commit to reversing the decisions to dismantle collaborative healthcare teams and increase senior management positions in health by expanding another bureaucratic arm of the Provincial Government with Shared Health Services; and ccc) failed to commit to improving issues relating to independent living, hospice and personal care homes or reversing the decision to raise costs on senior care programs; and ddd) failed to commit to raising standards for ethics, integrity and conflict of interest for senior members of the civil service; and eee) failed to commit to enhancing the protection of children under the care of Child and Family Services; and fff) failed to provide the Manitoba Advocate for Children and Youth with expansive investi - gative powers needed to properly advocate for children and youth; and ggg) failed to implement plans to reduce poverty by replacing Employment and Income Assistance with a jobs and basic income program to help those in greatest need; and hhh) failed to commit to ending the extraction of natural resources (mining) in provincial parks; and iii) failed to update and implement the "duty -to- consult" framework for Indigenous commu- nities resulting in the delay of major projects such as the Lake Manitoba –Lake St.

Martin Flood Outlet Channel Project; and jjj) failed to respond adequately to states of emergency declared in Rural Municipalities after significant drought conditions have hindered farmers' abilities to operate successfully; and kkk) failed to address the unacceptably long delays for northern Manitobans to get bail in the criminal justice system; and lll) failed to work with the Federal Government on the development of a national pharmacare program to address the high cost of pharmaceuticals, especially for seniors and vulnerable Manitobans; and mmm) failed to commit to not dismantling Manitoba's school divisions and keeping community input in education systems; and nnn) failed to commit to stop charging Manitoba Hydro exorbitant fees which increases the debt level and prevents the corporation

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