Manitoba Hansard — 16 March 2022 (Sitting 24, 42nd Legislature, 4th Session)

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Fourth Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXVI No. 24 - 1:30 p.m., Wednesday, March 16, 2022 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon.

Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott, Hon. Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan, Hon. Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib.

LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle, Hon. Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon, Hon. Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew, Hon.

Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC Vacant Fort Whyte Vacant Thompson

761 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Wednesday, March 16, 2022 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Clerk (Ms. Patricia Chaychuk): It is my duty to inform the House that the Speaker is unavoidably absent. Therefore, in accordance with the statutes, I would ask the Deput y Speaker to please take the Chair. Mr. Deputy Speaker (Andrew Micklefield): O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province.

Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen. We acknowl edge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline, Nehethowuk nations. We acknowl edge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis.

We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in partner- ship with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 28–The Prompt Payment for Construction Act Hon. Reg Helwer (Minister of Labour, Consumer Protection and Government Services): I move, seconded by the Minister of Economic Development, Investment and Trade (Mr.

Cullen), that Bill 28, The Prompt Payment for Construction Act, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Helwer: The prompt payment and construction act aligns with government priorities related to boost- ing both economic and regulatory competitiveness of the province by ensuring that payments flow through the construction pyramid in a timely fashion. Delayed payment throughout the payment chain on construction projects has been identified as an issue by construction industry stakeholders.

While de- layed payment is not unique to the construction in- dustry, the construction industry is especially vulner- able to the negative impacts of delayed payment due to its tiered payment structure. This industry accounts for approximately 8 per cent of Manitoba em ployment and is a sig nifi- cant contributor to the economic stability of Manitoba. Deferred–delayed payments for construc- tion work that these businesses have performed limits the ability of small and 'mediuh' -sized contractors to invest in their businesses and hire apprentices.

With the intro duction of this bill, gov ernment is acting on the recommendations of stakeholder repre- sentatives and is in alignment with other Canadian provinces to ensure there are no barriers created for interprovincial trade or labour mobility. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The–is it the pleasure of th e House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 14–The Drivers and Vehicles Amendment, Highway Traffic Amendment and Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation Amendment Act Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): Thank you, and good afternoon, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

I move, seconded by the Minister of Natural Resources and Northern Development (Mr. Fielding), that Bill 14, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend ment, Highway Traffic Amend ment and Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation Amendment Act, be now read for a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Goertzen: This bill amends the Manitoba Public Insurance act, The Drivers and Vehicles Act and The Highway Traffic Act. MPI has been conducting a full review of its delivery of services for personal and com mercial

762 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 automobile insurance, drivers licensing, vehicle regis- tration and associated registry functions, as well as for physical damage claim processing. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this bill amends 14–has 14 amendments, will ensure that MPI delivers its pro- ducts and services with more busi ness agility and more efficient processes, a better customer ex per- ience, and with streamlined operations and a reduction of red tape. It is a continuation of ensuring that MPI continues to provide world- class service to its customers. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 26–The Officers of the Assembly Act (Various Acts Amended) Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice an d Attorney General): I move, seconded by the Minister of Advanced Edu cation, Skills and Immigration (Mr. Reyes), that Bill 26, The Officers of the Assembly Act (Various Acts Amended), be now read for a first time. Motion presented. Mr.

Goertzen: The purpose of this bill is to amend the appointment process for officers of the Legislative Assembly and their deputies while maintaining the role of the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs to provide a recommendation on the hiring of an office of the–officer of the Legislative Assembly. The bill amends the ap pointment process to be made by motion of the Legis lative Assembly, rather than the current process of being appointed by the provincial Cabinet.

The bill would harmonize the ap- pointment process for OLAs and provide greater over- sight of the appoint ment process provided by deputy OLAs, by members of the Legis lative Assembly. It would ensure certainty and continuity of service to the Legislative Assembly in the event an OLA becomes unable to perform their duties. * (13:40) So, in addition, it would properly reflect the divi- sion of responsibilities between the executive and the Legislative branches and increase the independence of our officers of the Legislative Assembly. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 27–The Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Alternative Measures for Driving Offences) Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance (Mr. Friesen), that Bill 27, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act (Alternative Measures for Driving Offences), be now read for a first time. Motion presented. Mr.

Goertzen: The main purpose of this act is to address a gap in the legal framework to redirect cases that would otherwise be eligible to participate in the immediate roadside prohibition program to an appro- priate out -of-court IRP reso lution complaint with alternative measures under the Criminal Code of Canada.

However, the IRP process has not been used to its fullest extent possible since its intro duction due to operational issues such as law en forcement suspend- ing the use of approved screening devices in response to COVID-19 safety concerns or when an approved screening device is unavailable sometimes in rural and remote areas. Drivers who are deemed eligible for the imme - diate roadside program but not initially diverted to that program can now, under this act, be referred to an appropriate education and awareness program and be subject to IRP driving restrictions such as mandatory use of ignition interlock.

These measures will ensure con sistent approach to dealing with first -time offenders who are eligible for the IRP process, and help t o achieve the intended road and safety and justice efficiency benefits of the IRP program. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 212–The Universal Newborn Hearing Screening Amendment Act MLA Uzoma Asagwa ra (Union Station): I move, seconded by the member for Point Douglas (Mrs. Smith), that Bill 212, the universal newborn hearing screening amendment, be now read a first time. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the hon- ourable member for Union Sta tion, seconded by the honourable member for Point Douglas, that Bill 212, The Universal Newborn Hearing Screening Amendment Act, be now read a first time.

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 763 MLA Asagwara: I'm honoured to bring forward this bill today for a second time, which will offer pa rents the opportunity to have their newborns tested for con- genital cytomegalovirus, or CMV, the most common non-genetic cause of permanent hearing loss in chil - dren, as part of their regular newborn hearing screening. This will prevent complications later in life be - cause if CMV is identified quickly, newborns can be offered antivirals that are more effective earlier in life.

More and more provinces are adding this to part of their regular screens, so I am looking forward to this bill receiving unanimo us support of the House and making sure that kids get the care they need here in Manitoba. Thank you. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Committee Reports? Tabling of Reports? Ministerial Statements? MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Manitoba Human Trafficking Awareness Day Mrs.

Cathy Cox (Kildonan-River East): I rise because tomorrow is Manitoba Human Trafficking Awareness Day, and every year, thousands of Canadian families are impacted by human trafficking, including many right here in Manitoba. What starts as a seemingly innocent conversation online or in person can quickly turn sinister and create long- lasting trauma. Human trafficking is the recruitment, trans por- tation and harbouring of persons for the purpos e of exploitation, typically in the sex trade or forced labour.

It is the fastest growing, third most lucrative criminal enterprise globally, producing annual profits as high as $36 billion per year and keeping approxi - mately 30 million people. This means people are en - slaved today more than any other time in history. And with 93 per cent of Canada's sex-trafficking victims born right here in Canada and entering at an average age of just 12 to 14 years old, sex trafficking happens in our own communities with traffickers tar- geting our very own children and grandchildren here in Manitoba.

Trafficking victims are carefully groomed either in-person, and often by perceived friends or boy - friends, or online via popular social media where traf- fickers can reach as many as 100 children an hour. Using face-changing software to appear like teen- agers, traffickers make their young victims feel com- fortable and gain their trust, in hopes that they will confide in them and share information about their life and interests. And once a relationship is established, victims are exploited through manipulation, fear, dependency or debt bondage.

This is why just a few months ago, the National Human Trafficking Education Centre opened right here in Winnipeg, to serve all of Canada. The centre's website offers numerous educational resources to help Canadians young and old recognize and fight human trafficking. Numerous courses are also available for a variety of audiences and contexts, and many are free, all available at the joysmithfoundation.com. Know the signs, know– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The member's time has expired. Is there leave for the member to continue? Some Honourable Members: Leave. Mrs. Cox: I ask everyone to know the signs and know the facts.

Human trafficking is real and happening all around us and education is our greatest weapon as we work together to end human trafficking for good, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Thank you. Janis Gillam Mr. Adrien Sala (St. James): Mr. Deputy Speaker, today I rise in the House to rec ognize St. James resident Janis Gillam and pay tribute to those who have died from overdose. Janis Gillam is the co -founder of Overdose Awareness Manitoba, an organization that works to raise awareness about the opioid crisis in this pro- vince. They also support families who have lost loved ones and advocate for increased addictions supports.

Janis lost her daughter Phoebe and stepson Chris to overdose. She describes her children as kind, funny, and creative. Phoebe died on a wait -list. She was scheduled to go into treatment on Monday and passed away the day before. Across the province, many Manitobans continue to struggle with addictions, and the pandemic has only served to increase the number of overdose deaths. People are dying and the community is st epping up and calling for action from the Stefanson government.

764 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 On Black Balloon Day, I was able to attend the vigil organized at Janis' home where I learned of her story and what needs to be done to save lives. It is clear that those needing treatment cannot afford to wait and the Stefanson government must make real investments now. Secondly, advocates are calling on the govern- ment to provide timely and accurate data summarizing overdose deaths. Manitobans need to know how many people are dying and what they're dying from so proper action can be taken.

Lastly, advocates are calling for a harm reduction approach to address substance abuse disorder, calling for a safer drug supply in Manitoba where people who are at high risk of overdose can access prescr ibed medication as a safer alternative to street drugs. These are the solutions that Manitobans like Phoebe and Chris needed, wanted and deserved. I ask all members to join me today in recognizing what Janis is doing for families across the province and ask for leave so that we can observe a moment of silence for all those who have lost their lives to overdose. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: Is there leave to observe a moment of silence? [Agreed] A moment of silence was observed. Gene Kirichenko Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): I rise today to recognize and honour a remarkable man who lives in my constituency of Riel, who offers a hopeful and insightful story that serves as a reminder of the importance of peace. Eugene Kirichenko, a retired teacher, taught math, business, science, accounting, as well as biology to students at Glenlawn Collegiate for 40 years before retiring.

Upon retirement, he began writing and recently published his book entitled Maya's Memories, recounting his mother's memories of living in Ukraine in the mid -1920s until early 1950s.

This book honouring his mother's legacy offers readers a first -hand experience of what life was like under the dictatorial rule of Joseph Stalin, and later, under Nazi rule. * (13:50) Eugene interviewed his mother Maya over four years, accumulating anecdotes that would later result in a striking account of his mother's experiences, such as when German Nazis took control of her city and loaded her and other teenage girls into a boxcar. Then the girls were taken to Bavaria, Germany, to become slave labourers.

Eugene's mother and father eventually immi - grated to Winnipeg, and though immigration proved to be a challenging venture, his father would go on to say that Canada is heaven, describing the new -found freedom they found in our country. Maya's Memories serves not only as an important historical document, providing insight into the suf - fering and deaths of millions under Stalin and the Nazi rule, but also as a message of warmth, humanity, resilience and hope.

I am sure Manitobans will agree, it is important now more than ever that we take oppor- tunities such as the one Eugene's book provides to reflect on the importance of freedom and democracy. Eugene is a remarkable individual, who, outside of his writing career, dedicates his time to working as a substitute teacher, where he continues to enjoy spending time with teens. I ask all my colleagues to help me honour Eugene Kirichenko for the contributions and the lasting legacy of Maya's Memories. Slava Ukraini. [Glory to Ukraine.] Thank you.

Adult Education MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): Helping Manitobans recover from the pandemic should be our utmost priority. In these efforts, adult education is a key aspect to improving economic and socia l well - being that is often overlooked. Adult education helps adults achieve sufficient levels of literacy, numeracy and other essential skills necessary to obtain or qualify for higher levels of employment or education. Only a fraction of those who would benefit from adult education are currently enrolled in programs, due to underfunding and numerous barriers.

One major issue is that current EIA rules stipulate that recipients cannot be enrolled in education pro- grams while they receive employment assist ance. This makes it incredibly difficult for folks living in poverty, and especially parents, to improve their skills while they have to worry about feeding their family. I am calling on the Minister of Families to change this legislation and effect a shift in the EIA program, away from pushing people with limited skills into the paid labour force, and towards directing them instead into an adult education program where they can

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 765 develop their skills and abilities and significantly im- prove their chances of moving permanently out of poverty. The benefits of adult education are enormous, such as stronger and healthier families and com - munities, improved school outcomes for their chil - dren, significant reductions in poverty and enhanced tax revenues and reduced social assistance and related costs. It is clear to all that the benefits of helping adults out of poverty far outweigh the costs.

I am calling on the government to immediately make a change to this policy to give unemployed and low-wage workers in Manitoba a chance to move for- ward and thrive in our recovering economy. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Faouzia Mr. Blaine Pedersen (Midland): Faouzia is a talent- ed singer -songwriter born in Morocco, then immi - grating to Canada with her family to live first in Notre Dame de Lourdes, then moving to Carman where she received her education. She now lives in Winnipeg, attending the U of M faculty of engineering.

Her passion for music began at a young age with writing songs, poems and learning to play musica l instruments. By the age of 15, she had released her first single, Knock on My Door, and signed with Paradigm Talent Agency, and her music career was launched. Since then, Faouzia has competed in many com - petitions, including Canada's Walk of Fame and the International Songwriting Competition. In 2020, she released the single, Minefields with singer-songwriter John Legend.

This past week, Faouzia was nominated for Breakthrough Artist of the Year for the 2022 Juno Awards, and Vogue Magazine has named Faouzia as one of 12 style stars set to make 2022 exciting. In November 2017, we had Faouzia as our guest in the gallery. She sang for us in the Pool of the Black Star that day, and it was awesome with the acoustics. On behalf of all members of this Assembl y, we wish Faouzia all the best in her Juno nomination and her musical career in the future. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ORAL QUESTIONS Death of Krystal Mousseau Request to Call Inquiry Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Krystal Mousseau's life mattered, and she is dearly missed by her family, friends and her children. Now, we've laid out serious discrepancies be - tween what the critical incident in vestigation found and the account provided by the Chief Medical Examiner. We now know that the company contracted to transport Krystal didn't have the right training, didn't have the right equipment to care for an ICU patient. That's very concerning. It means that there is a systemic failure involved in Ms. Mousseau's death. Manitobans deserve answers.

The gov ernment may refuse to call an inquest, but the Premier can call an inquiry. Will the Premier call an inquiry today into the death of Krystal Mousseau? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Yesterday, the Leader of the Op position referred to a letter from Prairie Mountain Health to the family on this very issue, Madam Speaker. I will ask the Leader of the Op position–he didn't table that letter for this Chamber yesterday. Will he do so today? Mr.

Kinew: While the Premier was Health minister, this government hired contractors to move ICU pa - tients that didn't have the right equip ment and that used staff that didn't have the right training. Manitobans deserve to know how it is that a gov- ernment could hire an outside contractor without en- suring that they met the standards to care for some - body who was critically ill. These are serious ques - tions about what due diligence, if any, the Premier, as minister of Health, carried out on behalf of our health- care system.

We need independent answers and we need inde- pendent recommendations to fix these mistakes so that they never happen again. Will the Premier call an inquiry into the death of Krystal Mousseau? Mrs. Stefanson: Mr. Deputy Speaker, the Leader of the Op position is talking about very serious allegations, and I'm simply just asking for the Leader

766 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 of the Opposi tion to table the letter. [interjection] There was–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, please. Mrs. Stefanson: There was no letter that w as tabled in this House yesterday from Prairie Mountain Health to the family–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Mrs. Stefanson: –Mr. Deputy Speaker. I ask the Leader of the Op position–he referred to that yesterday. It's in Hansard; he can go back and read his own comments. I ask him to table that letter today. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Kinew: Well, let's review the facts which have been established on the record and that have been reported publicly. Manitoba's health -care system ran out of the ability to care for ad ditional ICU patients during the third wave. Krystal Mousseau died during an attempt to transport her in which a contractor didn't have the right equipment nor used proper staff with the appro- priate training to care for somebody who was critic - ally ill.

I might also add the fact that the Premier has access to all this information and did so as the Health minister. We need recom mendations so t hat the events which led to Krystal's death never happen again. There is the open question of what due diligence the Health minister at the time, who is currently Premier, carried out before engaging these contractors. Krystal's family deserves justice. The people of Manitoba deserve to hear the truth. Will the Premier listen and call an inquiry? Mrs. Stefanson: I think we all want to get to the bottom of this.

And what would help is that the Leader of the Opposition could table the letter that he referred to yesterday, that he is referring to today, Madam –or Mr. Deputy Speaker. He could–it is –it's a letter from Prairie Mountain Health to the family. That's what he referred to. I'm simply asking him to help us all out, to help the family out. * (14:00) Will he help the family out by tabling that letter for us today? Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Opposition, on a final sup plementary–[interjection]– on a new question. Candidate for Fort Whyte By-Election Small Business Grant Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Coulda, woulda, shoulda. That's their talking point–coulda, shoulda, woulda. I'll give you coulda, woulda, shoulda. This gov - ernment coulda done better. They shoulda done better and everyone in Manit oba knows that this team woulda done better during the pandemic, Mr. Deputy Speaker. And that's how it is with this PC party. They say one thing and then they do the other. They say that they want to help small business, but then they go and give their Fort Whyte candidate half a million dollars. That's playing favourites.

That's not creating a level playing field for small businesses in Manitoba. Why did the Premier choose to give half a million dollars to her Fort Whyte candidate? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Manitobans can recover from this pandemic. We will do it with com - passion and under standing, Madam –or Mr. Deputy Speaker, and we shall lead this province into a brighter future for all Manitobans. That's what we remain focused on, Mad am Speaker. That's what Manitobans want to see from us and that's what we'll deliver for them. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Opposition, on a supplementary question. Hydro Rate Increases Cost of Living Concerns Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Yes, they just got the coulda, woulda, shoulda joke, which is why they all stood up and applauded. Now, I know that the Premier has trouble tracking–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, please. Mr. Kinew: –$31 million in expenses, but that's not the reality for the average person out there. The average person right now is struggling because of this PC government.

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 767 Look at what they've done in office: hiking taxes on renters by $175 per year– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Mr. Kinew: –and they're going to double it next year. Hydro's up more than $150, and that's just on average. It's more for those who live in rural Manitoba. We know that tuition's up–$1,000 more for people who want to go to college. Even the cost to visit a provincial park is going up because this party wants to send the money to Texas instead of keeping it right here in Manitoba.

Manitobans need a gov ernment that keeps life affordable. So I ask the Premier: Will she take action today? Will she stop raising– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The member's time has expired. Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Manitobans know full well there isn't a tax that the NDP hasn't hiked at some point in time when they were in gov- ernment, Madam–Mr. Deputy Speaker: 18 taxes that they increased on the backs of Manitobans in 17 years. We will take no lessons from the members oppo- site when it comes to affordability for Manitobans. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. COVID-19 Pandemic Protests Government Response Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): The Premier catered to a convoy that cost our economy half a bil lion dollars. The PCs wouldn't stand up to them, but you know what they did do? They went and got an injunction against their own Hydro partners –the Keeyask First Nations; Tataskweyak Cree Nation, in particular. They're sup- posed to be partners.

Not only did the PCs ignore those com munities' COVID concerns, they got an injunction against them when they protested the PC's pandemic failures. And do you know what? That injunction is still in force today. So what's the difference between the two groups? Why did the Premier take one group to court and give the convoy every single thing they wanted? Hon.

Heather Stefanson (Premier): I always appre- ciate any question from the Leader of the Op position when it comes to Manitoba Hydro, because he and every single one of his NDP members across the way knows that they increased the debt to Manitoba Hydro significantly, almost threefold while they were in office, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will take –and none of us on this side of the House, and Manitobans will take no lessons from the NDP Leader of the Op position when it comes to t he best interests for Manitoba h ydro ratepayers. They jacked up the rates of hydro, Mr. Deputy Speaker, they jacked up the debt of Hydro.

Now, Manitobans are being forced to pay for that. They jacked it up. It's their issue. My question for them: What's their plan to deal with this very serious issue, Mr. Deputy Speaker? Health-Care System–Patient Transfers Request to End Practice MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Mr. Deputy Speaker, cuts to health care hurt. Over 300 patients have now been transferred from their home com munities, many of them hours and hours away. One of those transferred, Elias Apalit, suffers from dementia and asked, and I quote: What did I do wrong? Why am I being punished? End quote.

Elias and his family did nothing wrong, Deputy Speaker. I ask that the minister accept responsibility for the cuts her government made and commit to ending this system of endless transfers. Will she do so and comm it to ending these transfers today? Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): I'd like to start by announcing here in the Chamber that today we reported a 76 -patient decrease in the number of COVID hospitalizations. And I also want to state, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the patient transfer protocol that was also used by the NDP within the province has been in place for decades. It has.

And it's im portant to remember that decisions that are being made about patient transfer are being made by clinicians in the health system, not here at the Legislature and not by politicians. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a supplementary question.

768 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 MLA Asagwara: Mr. Deputy Speaker, there are 124 less hospital beds in Winnipeg than there wer e four years ago. That's in the region's annual report. David Matear, who is now co-lead for health incident command, said in November, and I quote, he completely understands the frustration. Quite simply, we just don't have enough beds. End quote. He's right, Deputy Speaker. Health care is not there for those who need it. When will this government replace the beds they cut, and will they commit to ending these transfers today? Ms. Gordon: Mr.

Deputy Speaker, we know this has been a very difficult time for Manitobans, individuals that have been transferred and individuals seeking care in our hospital system. And we have an incident command team that has been–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, please. Ms. Gordon: –working to ensure that there's capacity with our–within our system to provide–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms. Gordon: –services to those we can see in the health system, and those who are waiting for care, and we will continue to support our clinicians making these very difficult decisions during a pandemic, Mr.

Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a final supplementary. MLA Asagwara: Last month, an 89- year-old Winnipeg woman, Denise Mignot, was transferred to Flin Flon without opportunity for her family to even say goodbye. Clarke Gehman, a veteran, was transferred from Winnipeg to Russell and then to Reston. Somewhere along the way, he contracted COVID, and he died. His son, Kirby, says, and I quote, we shouldn't have to be doing this. The resources should be there. And we agree. We need to restore beds.

We need to restore a sense of compassion for veterans and seniors who are being transferred hundreds of kilo- metres from their homes. * (14:10) Will the minister restore the beds that they cut and commit to ending these– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The member's time has expired. Ms. Gordon: Mr. Deputy Speaker, once again, I want to state in this House that these decisions are being made by clinicians. We know it's very diff icult for the families. It's very difficult for the patients that are being trans - ferred. That is why our gov ernment took a proactive step, working with Shared Health, to–[interjection] Mr.

Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms. Gordon: –create a hardship supports and finan- cial assistance program, so that family members could visit their loved ones. [interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms. Gordon: I want to assure Manitobans that they continue to receive quality care in the facilities where they are being transferred. Hydro Rate Increases Cost of Living Concerns Mr. Adrien Sala (St. James): Mr. Deputy Speaker, inflation has reached a record level of 5.7 per cent. We haven't seen the cost of goods and services rise so much since 1991. Food is up, housing is up and hydro bills are up.

More and more people are struggling to pay their bills. In two months, the number of people in arrears with their hydro bills went up by thousands: 80,000 are now behind. The situation is about to get worse. Will the gov ernment take action today and stop raising hydro rates? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister responsible for Manitoba Hydro): Mr. Deputy Speaker, the NDP must be floating out lines to see what might stick in a election period sometime in the future. Our ad vice to them would be that dog simply won't hunt, not with any Manitoban.

There is no Manitoban who will be fooled by that kind of advance by the NDP that somehow their over -expenditure, because of failure to manage, by $10 billion on Keeyask and bipole would come without a conse - quence. Mr. Deputy Speaker, there's a conse quence. It means that every Manitoban will pay for the mis - management of those projects by the NDP. And Manitobans won't forget it. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The member for St. James, on a supplementary question.

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 769 Mr. Sala: Mr. Deputy Speaker, we're giving the gov- ernment another oppor tunity to step up and tell Manitobans that they're going to make life more af - fordable. But we've heard nothing. They could raise minimum wage, but they haven't. A five-cent raise doesn't even cover their hydro rate increases. Now the amount in arrears at Hydro has grown–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Mr. Sala: –by $5 million in just two months. Two thousand additional Manitobans can't pay their bill. Will the minister take action and stop raising hydro rates? Mr. Friesen: Mr.

Deputy Speaker, we welcome any question from that other side on the subject of affordability and standing up for Manitobans, because Manitobans won't be fooled by that question. Manitobans know that that party raised 18 taxes in 17 years. They expanded the PST. They raised the PST. [interjection] And even now, when they chirp and try to shout down the answer, they know. They know, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

They know that in last year's budget, our government returned more than a quarter of a billion dollars to Manitobans to keep that money in their own pockets, because it's better in their pockets than in the hands of the government. [interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order, please. The honourable member for St. James, on a final supplementary. Mr. Sala: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Manitobans also know that this government raised hydro rates by legis- lation for the very first time in this province's history, and they should be ashamed about that. Five point seven per cent inflation, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

Manitobans simply can't keep up. Two thousand additional Manitobans have gone into arrears on their hydro bills in just two months. People are struggling to keep the ir lights on and pay to heat their homes, and this gov ernment has sat idle and done nothing to help low- and middle-income Manitobans struggling to pay their bills. Will they stop raising hydro rates today? Mr. Friesen: Mr. Deputy Speaker, the question is an absurdity. The NDP said that Keeyask and bipole would not cost Manitobans one penny. They said that the cost would be solely covered by export contracts. It was lies and deceit, and Mr.

Deputy Speaker, now we know that that review of Manitoba Hydro has made clear that those projects –billions and billions of dol - lars over budget because the NDP hid the cost from Manitobans. [interjection] Let the members chirp and chirp from their seats, but they know –they know–that when it comes to affordability , our gov ernment is standing up to Manitobans–for Manitobans– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The member's time has expired. The honour able member for Wolseley. [interjection] Honourable member for Wolseley. [interjection] Order, please. Climate Change Mitigation Request for Government Plan Ms.

Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): I want to start by welcoming the new Climate Minister to his role and remind him that the Stefanson gov ernment has done nothing to fight the climate crisis and their so -called plan will do nothing to stop GHG emissions from increasing. Today, I will table the gov ernment's own docu- ments that show just that. According to these internal documents, the PC's plan will result in emissions going even higher, and that is wrong, Mr. Deputy Speaker. When will this government get serious with a real plan to address climate change? Will they do so today? Hon.

Jeff Wharton (Minister of Environment, Climate and Parks): Thank the member from Wolseley for that wonderful, warm, arousing wel - come to my new portfolio. I know we had the oppor - tunity to meet briefly in the hallway a couple of days ago. We had a nice chat. I know the member and the party opposite will get on board with science as we move forward, Madam Speaker, and not ideology, like the NDP have done for years. [interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Order. The honourable member for Wolseley, on a supplementary question.

770 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 Ms. Naylor: Up, Mr. Deputy Speaker. That's the direction for emissions with this government. Their own internal documents –and I'm told that some of the best scientific processes available–their own internal documents say their plan will result in higher emissions in Manitoba, and that is the wrong direction. Their so- called climate plan has no real targets and will, in fact, lead to emissions going higher. Will the minister put forward a real plan with real investments that actually address the climate crisis, today? Mr.

Wharton: Again, it's a pleasure to remind the member that the plan that they h ad–well, of course, we know their plan, Madam Speaker–was a disaster. Well, again, relying on science –and I was so pleased on Tuesday to rise in this House and introduce Bill 22, Mr. Deputy Speaker. We know our gov ern- ment is committed to the–protecting the environment, and that's exactly what we're going to do. We're going to rely on Health Canada, Madam Speaker, and their recommendations, not the NDP. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable member for Wolseley, on a final supplementary. Ms. Naylor: Mr.

Deputy Speaker, the Stefanson gov- ernment's approach to climate is to try and change the goalposts. I appreciate it will take some time for the new minister to learn his file, but the internal docu- ments we are releasing are clear. They're your docu - ments. Their plan results in more emissions in Manitoba. Their plan is failing on its own metrics, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and it's Manitobans who will pay the price. The PCs cannot stall any longer. Will they support real action and offer a real plan to address the climate crisis today? * (14:20) Mr.

Wharton: Again, we'll remind the House of the record of the NDP when it comes to the environment. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we know that–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Mr. Wharton: –back in 2012, it was announced that Lake Winnipeg was one of the most threatened and endangered lakes in North America. What did the NDP do, Mr. Deputy Speaker? They did a photo op. They dumped millions and millions of litres into harbours along Lake Winnipeg simply for a photo op in 2014, with no science. Where they failed on the environment, we'll get it right. [interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order.

Employment and Income Assistance Recipients Early Canada Pension Plan Claims Mrs. Bernadette Smith (Point D ouglas): When a person claims CPP early at the age of 60, it results in a larger reduction to the money they receive for the rest of their lives. But that's exactly what this PC gov ernment is doing: forcing EIA recipients to take their CPP early against their will. All if they –and if they don't, they get cut off or threatened to cut off–be cut off, just like Bertrand Murdock [phonetic], who was cut off in January.

He's now $2,700 behind in rent and is going to be evicted at the end of this month, and this minister knows it because we've sent a letter to her office. Will the minister immediately stop the practice of forcing EIA recipients to claim CPP early, and reinstate Bertrand Murdock's [phonetic] EIA disabil- ity– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The member's time has expired. Hon.

Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): I ap- preciate the question from members opposite about what our government is doing to support people who are living on EIA, which includes provi ding more benefits and services to them so that they can achieve their destiny. That is why last year we invested $20 million in an endowment fund so that people who are on EIA can take the skills and the training that they can to achieve their full destiny.

That is why we routinely exempt certain benefits from the EIA formulary so that they can receive other benefits for their services while they are on EIA, and the member knows full well about those benefits that this gov ernment has brought into effect since we formed office in 2016, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honour able member for Point Douglas, on a supplementary question. Mrs. Smith: Two years ago, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found it was illegal for the gov ernment to force people on disability EIA to claim CPP early. The

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 771 court stated that this practice was wrong for folks on– to cut people off on disability. But, Deputy Speaker, this practice is wrong for anyone on EIA, like Bertrand [phonetic]. No one's financial stability should ever be at risk. Claiming CPP early for people means about one-third less when they are older, after 65. Will the minister imme diately stop this practice of forcing EIA recipients to claim CPP early? Ms.

Squires: Our gov ernment believes that people who are dealing with severe and prolonged disabilities ought not to be in the same program stream as people who are not afflicted with a severe and prolonged dis- ability. That's why our gov ernment introduced and pas - sed bill 72 last year, which will make a more stream- lined process for people who are dealing with severe and prolonged disabilities, that they won't have to go to a doctor year after year, like they did under the NDP, and requalify for their disability income.

That is why, under our program, we're going to have a stream lined benefit for everybody who are dealing–who are living with dis abilities, so that they can have a much better life with enhanced program services and a more stream lined service delivery for them. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honour able member for Point Douglas, on a final supplementary. Mrs. Smith: The cost of living is only going up here in Manitoba. People on EIA are already struggling to make ends meet, pay for groceries, pay for their rent, pay for hydro because this government keeps hiking it up.

And now the PC gov ernment is putting income security at risk. It's wrong. It's forcing more people into poverty and it's unfortunate that this PC gov ern- ment and the minister thinks that it's okay to do that. Will the minister stop this practice of forcing EI recipients to claim CPP early? Ms. Squires: Well, it's very unfortunate, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that the member opposite comes in here and puts false information on the record when she knows better, that we on this side of the House is making life more affordable for all Manitobans. On this side of the House we–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms.

Squires: –[inaudible] And I know the member opposite, she doesn't want to hear about what our gov- ernment is doing to–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms. Squires: –make life more affordable for all Manitobans. She wants to chirp from her seat, and she doesn't want to hear about the investments that we've made. She doesn't want to hear about how we've quadrupled Rent Assist, Mr. Deputy Speaker. [interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms. Squires: She doesn't want to hear about the $110 million that we've invested in making new housing, 735 new housing units that our government's created.

She doesn't want to hear any of that. She wants to sit and chirp from her seat and she doesn't want to hear about how life is more– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The minister's time has expired. [interjection] Order, please. Lifting of Pandemic Restrictions Increased Case Number Concerns Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): Yesterday, Shared Health said, with gov ernment lifting all restrictions, we should expect increased hospital - izations and ICU admissions from COVID. This is confirmed by Dr. Tara Moriarty of the Uni versity of Toronto, who's been running the numbers.

She warned on March 11th, I quote, if we don't take things seriously, we will likely see a lot of severe out comes in Canada, including deaths. I table her modelling for Canada, which esti - mates that Manitoba alone could prevent 320 deaths, keep 680 people out of hospital and prevent over 1,600 hospitalizations if we proceed with vaccine boosters for the next Omicron variant. This government has been wrong over and over. What evidence can the Prem ier (Mrs. Stefanson) can provide to counter Dr. Moriarty's models so that we don't see history repeat itself in this province? Hon.

Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): I, again, want to announce in this House that today we have a 76-patient decrease in COVID hospitalizations. Madam–Mr. Deputy– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh.

772 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 Ms. Gordon: The numbers continue to trend down, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I want to thank all Manitobans for their support of the Vaccine Implementation Task Force, for getting v accinated not once, twice, but for many, three times. And we're going to continue to take the advice – scientific advice–of the national immunization coun- cil, in terms of vaccinations and what will come next. And, again, thank you to all the health -care pro- fessionals– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The minister's time has expired. The honour able member for St.

Boniface, on a supplemental question. Retaliation Against Business Mr. Lamont: It's worth mentioning there were four deaths today and that Prairie Mountain Health did not report its hospitalizations, which is why numbers are down as far as they are. In a global public health emergency, it is reason- able, legal and entirely con stitutional to require that people take basic steps not to infect the ir fellow citizens with a disease that can still be deadly, like wearing a mask. This gov ernment has now stopped doing that.

Now a Facebook group has sprung up and is being organized to identify and target Manitoba busi nesses who still want to use mask s and are harassing and abusing them and deliberately writing bad reviews. We warned this government that when they left it up to everybody, this is exactly the kind of division would happen. Is the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) going to do any- thing to st and up for these busi nesses facing harass- ment or will it be–do the right–and who are doing the right thing, or are they still just being abandoned? Mr. Deputy Speaker: Member's time has expired. Ms. Gordon: Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I want to en - courage all Manitobans to show kindness, compassion and to be very thoughtful to their fellow Manitobans, in terms of their decision wear a mask or not wear a mask. Mr. Deputy Speaker, we've all gone through a very difficult time in the last two years, and we want to move out of this fourth wave in a very com - passionate and thoughtful way. Again, we have seen record numbers of vac cinations: over 87 per cent of Manitobans are vaccinated. We also have treatments available, and those treatments are being rolled out across the province.

And I encourage Manitobans to bond together and just support each other as– * (14:30) Mr. Deputy Speaker: The minister's time has expired. Delays in Accessing Health Care Constituent Case Concern Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Mr. Speaker, in Manitoba today, delays in accessing health care are extraordinary. Jason Dutchak from Morden is an example. He's 49 years old. He's been working and he wants to work. However, he has a very serious heart condition–severe aortic valve stenosis–which needs surgery.

He's short of breath, can't do much in the way of exercise, tires from walking to the end of his driveway, is extremely fatigued and cannot work. Heart surgery can correct this, but he has waited since September of last year and still hasn't even been given a date for the surgery. I've written to the minister about this urgent situation– Mr. Deputy Speaker: Member's time has expired. Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): Unfor- tunately, due to the public health–the health informa- tion act, I cannot speak to specific cases on the floor of this Chamber.

But I do know that our health incident command team and the entire health system, front-line health-care workers are working very hard to return to pre-pandemic surgical slate levels so that individuals can get their surgeries. And Health Sciences Centre has increased their surgical slates from seven to 10 to 12 to 13. Concordia Hospital has been running at full capacity for several weeks. All cardiac slates at St. Boniface general hos- pital have been running since the end of January. We've started –restarted surgeries in Brandon and Carman– Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable minister's time has expired.

Services for Victims of Violent Crime Funding for Candace House Programs Mrs. Cathy Cox (Kildonan-River East): We know that navigating through the justice system can be extremely difficult for victims, survivors and families impacted by crime. Better supports are needed to help

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 773 ensure those impacted are not retraumatized and to ensure that they receive the help and support they need while going through this process. Can the Minister of Justice please share with the House how our gov ernment continues –government plans to support victims and survivors of violent crime? Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): Mr. Deputy Speaker, I want to thank the member for Kildonan- River East for the question and also for her tireless advocacy when it comes to victims and their families.

Candace Derksen, in 1984, was 13 years old when she was tragically killed. It's a Manitoba story that many Manitobans will always remember, but for Cliff and Wilma Derksen, of course, it was their daughter. And as they navigated through the justice system they realized that there needed to be a place for vic - tims, a safe place for victims. They created that place and they called it Candace House. Since 2018, they've served more than 500 victims and their families, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I want to thank Cliff and Wilma Derkse n.

I want to let them know that this Assembly is praying for them as they go through difficult times, and I want to thank the member for Kildonan- River East for the question and her advocacy. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The minister's time has expired. Supports for Ukrainian Refugees Funding for Resettlement Services Mr. Mark Wasyliw (Fort Garry): Mr. Deputy Speaker, it's now day 21 of Russia's invasion in Ukraine; 3 million people have fled and counting–a full-on refugee crisis. Manitobans have heard the call and they want to step up. They want to help, but this Stefanson govern- ment needs to match their resolve.

We need to greatly increase settlement services in place now to help those fleeing devastation. On day 21, will the minister and the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) finally announce increased funding for resettlement services? Hon. Jon Reyes (Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Immigration): On March 10th, 2022, our government provided $500,000 on top of the $150,000 announced earlier, totalling $650,000 to be used for humanitarian aid and efforts directly in Ukraine.

Yesterday, I was pleased to announce that our government will be waiving off the $500 fee for the Provincial Nominee Program, which is retroactive from–to February 22, and any Ukrainian citizen applying for the PNP. We are taking actions, unlike the opposi tion members who are trying to use the current Ukraine situation to score petty political points. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Mr. Wasyliw: Politicizing this issue is say ing you stand with Ukraine but you won't actually spend any money to support them. That's politicizing the issue. There's not enough people evaluating nominee applications to keep up.

This needs to change imme - diately, and gov ernment needs to staff up. And for those arriving, there are not nearly enough resettle - ment funds in place to support them. Much more is needed to support Ukrainians flee- ing devastation. Will the minister and the Premier announce, on day 21, that they are finally going to giv e money for resettlement services? Mr. Deputy Speaker: The honourable Minister for Economic Dev elopment, Investment –no, that's wrong, I'm sorry. The honour able Minister for Advanced Education, Skills and Immigration. Mr.

Reyes: This is an incredibly important issue, and it should be an opportunity for us to engage across the aisle. Instead, the member opposite rises in his place and casually, yesterday, calls the Provincial Nominee Program fee a head tax, drawing connections to a dark moment in Canadian history. Mr. Deputy Speaker, this is disgusting and beneath the member. Shame on him, and I call on him today to retract the statement from yesterday. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The time for questions has expired.

774 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 PETITIONS Foot-Care Services Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Mr. Deputy Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background of this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson. A large–

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes.

(4) The northern regional health author ity, N-R-H-A, previously provided essential medical foot- care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after the last two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and surrounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1, 2022. This petition has been signed by Riley Corner, Samson Hunter, Amir Shahin and many other Manitobans. MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes.

(4) The northern regional health author ity, N-R-H-A, previously provided essential medical foot- care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after the last two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and surrounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health centre–regional health -care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1st, 2022. This has been signed by many Manitobans. Mr. Ian Bushie (Keewatinook): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. * (14:40) The background of this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes.

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(4) The northern regional health author ity, the N-R-H-A, previously provided essential medical foot- care services to those seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the pro- gram after the last two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and sur - rounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot-care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1, 2022. And this has been signed by many, many Manitobans. Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes.

(4) The northern regional health author ity previously provided essential medical foot -care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after the last two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and surrounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond those just served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1st, 2022. This petition, Mr. Deputy Speaker, is signed by many Manitobans. Mrs. Bernadette Smith (Point Douglas): I wish to present the followi ng petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) And a large percentage of people in the age – in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are living on low incomes.

(4) The northern regional health author ity previously provided essential medical foot -care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after the last two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes are only continuing to grow in Thompson and surrounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those serviced in the capital city of the province.

776 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial governme nt to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1, 2020. And this has been signed by Sonya Wiseman, Leona Beardy and Ivas Sandau [phonetic]. MLA Tom Lindsey (Flin Flon): Mr. Deputy Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background of this petition is as follows:

(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment.

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes.

(4) The northern regional health author ity, R – N-R-H-A, previously provided essential medical foot- care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after the last two nurses filling those positions retired. Mr. Dennis Smook, Acting Speaker, in the Chair

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and surrounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot-care treatment to the city of Thompson effective April 1, 2022. This petition has been signed by Dylan Bignell, Fran Budd, Juliana [phonetic] Lagimodiere and many other Manitobans. Diagnostic Testing Accessibility Mr.

Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background of this petition is as follows:

(1) Until recently, diagnostic medical tests, including for blood and fluid samples, were available and accessible in most medical clinics.

(2) Dynacare blood test labs have consolidated their blood and fluid testing services by closing 25 of its labs.

(3) The provincial government has cut diagnostic testing at many clinic sites, and residents now have to travel to different locations to get their testing done, even for a simple blood test or urine sample.

(4) Further, travel challenges for vulnerable and elderly residents of northeast Winnipeg may result in fewer tests being done or delays in testing, with the attendant effects of increased health -care costs and poorer individual patient outcomes.

(5) COVID-19 emergency rules have resulted in long outdoor lineups, putting vulnerable residents at further risk in extreme weather, be it hot or cold. Moreover, these long lineups have resulted in longer wait times for services and poorer service in general.

(6) Manitoba residents value the convenience and efficiency of the health -care system when they are able to give their samples at the time of their doctor visit. We petition the Legislative Assembly as follows: To urge the provincial government to immedi - ately demand Dynacare maintain all of the phlebotomy, blood sample, sites existing prior to the COVID-19 public health emergency, and allow all Manitobans to get their blood and urine tests done when visiting their doctor, thereby facilitating local access to blood testing services. And this petition's signed by many, many Manitobans. Many.

Foot-Care Services Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background to this petition is as follows:

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(1) The population of those aged 55- plus has grown to approximately 2,500 in the city of Thompson.

(2) A large percentage of people in this age group require necessary medical foot care and treatment. Mr. Andrew Micklefield, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair

(3) A large percentage of those who are elderly and/or diabetic are also living on low incomes. * (14:50)

(4) The northern regional health author ity, N-R-H-A, previously provided essential medical foot- care services to seniors and those living with diabetes until 2019, then subsequently cut the program after the last two nurses filling those positions retired.

(5) The number of seniors and those with diabetes has only continued to grow in Thompson and surrounding areas.

(6) There is no adequate medical care available in the city and region,

whereas the city of Winnipeg has 14 medical foot-care centres.

(7) The implications of inadequate or lack of podiatric care can lead to amputations.

(8) The city of Thompson also serves as a regional health-care service provider, and the need for foot care extends beyond just those served in the capital city of the province. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to provide the services of two nurses to restore essential medical foot care treatment in the city of Thompson effective April 1, 2022. This petition has been signed by Donna Bee, Felix Bonner and Chantelle Mercredi and many other Manitobans. Thank you. Eating Disorders Awareness Week Ms.

Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background of this petition is as follows:

(1) An esti mated 1 million people suffe r from eating disorders in Canada.

(2) Eating disorders are serious mental illnesses– sorry–affecting one's physical, psychological and social functions and have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness.

(3) The dev elopment and treatment of eat ing disorders are influenced by the social determinants of health, including food and income security, access to housing, health care and mental health supports.

(4) It is important to share the diverse experiences of people living with eating disorders across all ages, genders and identities, including Indigenous, Black and racialized people; queer and gender -diverse people; people with dis abilities; people with chronic illness; and people with co -occurring mental health conditions or addictions.

(5) It is necessary to increase awareness and edu- cation about the impact of those living with, or affected by, eating disorders in order to dispel dangerous stereotypes and myths about those illnesses.

(6) Setting aside one week each year to focus attention on eating disorders will heighten public understanding, increase awareness of culturally relevant resources and supports for those impacted by eating disorders and encourage Manitobans to develop healthier relationships with their bodies. We petition the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the prov incial government to support a declaration that the first week in February of each year be known as eating disorders awareness week. And this has been signed by many Manitobans. Abortion Services Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St.

Johns): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Manitoba women, girls, two -spirit, genderqueer, non-binary and trans persons deserve to be safe and supported when accessing abortion services.

(2) Limited access to effective and safe abortion services contributes to detrimental outcomes and con- sequences for those seeking an abortion, as an esti - mated 25 million unsafe abortions occ ur worldwide each year.

(3) The provincial government's reckless health- care cuts have created inequity within the health-care system whereby access to the abortion pill, Mifegymiso, and surgical abortions are less accessible

778 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 for northern and rural individuals than individuals in southern Manitoba, as they face travel barriers and access the handful of non- urban health-care pro fes- sionals who are trained to provide medical abortions.

(4) For over five years, and over the admin istra- tion of three failed Health ministers, the prov incial government operated under the pretense that reproductive health was not the responsi bility of the minister of Health and seniors care, and shifted the responsibility to a secretariat with no policy, program or financial authority within the health-care system.

(5) For over four years, the prov incial gov ern- ment has refused to support bill 200, The Safe Access to Abortion Services Act, which will ensure the safety of Manitoba women, girls, two- spirit, gend erqueer, non-binary and trans persons accessing abortion services, and the staff who provide such services, by establishing buffer zones for anti -choice Manitobans around clinics.

We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial gov ernment to imme - diately ensure effective and safe access to abortion services for individuals, regardless of where they reside in Manitoba, and to ensure that buffer zones are immediately legislated. Signed by many Manitobans. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Are there any more petitions? Grievances? ORDERS OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Government House Leader): I have a leave request as it relates to this afternoon's business.

Could you please canvass the House for leav e to consider the following bills today for concurrence and third reading, despite the fact that they are not yet listed on the Order Paper, and could they be called in this category: Bill 5, The Coat of Arms, Emblems and the Manitoba Tartan Amendment Act; Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amendments to the Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Corporate Statutes; and Bill 11, The Elections Amendment Act. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Is there leave to consider the following bills today for concurrence and third reading, despite the fact that they are not yet listed on the Order Paper, in that category: Bill 5, The Coat of Arms, Emblems and the Manitoba Tartan Amendment Act; Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amendments to the Health Services Insu rance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Cor porate Statutes; Bill 11, The Elections Amendment Act. Is there leave? [Agreed] Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Mr. Deputy Speaker, could you please canvass the House for leave to consider report stage amendments today for Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amend ments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Cor porate Statutes, prior to the bill being considered for concurrence and third reading? Mr. Deputy Speaker: Is the re leave to consider report stage amend ments today for Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amendments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Corporate Statutes, prior to the bill being considered for concurrence and third reading? Is there leave? [Agreed] Mr. Goertzen: Could you please then call for this afternoon report stage amend ments on Bill 10, followed by concurrence and third reading on Bill 10, 5 and 11? Mr. Deputy Speaker: It has been announced by the honourable Government House Leader, we will be considering report stage amend ments on Bill 10, followed by concurrence and third readings in this order: for Bill 10, 5 and 11.

REPORT STAGE AMENDMENTS Bill 10–An Act respecting Amendments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Corporate Statutes Mr. Deputy Speaker: We will now move to consider report stage amendments on Bill 10.

The honour able member –I'm informing the House that, earlier today, the Speaker received a written request from the honourable member for River Heights asking that his report stage amend ments for Bill 10 be grouped for debate today. * (15:00) In accordance with subrule 138(10), I have re - viewed the amendments and they do fit the criteria for the provisions referenced in subrule 138(10)(a), which says , "amendments which could form the subject of a single debate are grouped according to

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 779 content if, once adopted, they would have the same effect in different parts of the bill or if the y relate to the same provision or similar provisions of the bill. " End quote. Accordingly, as per subrule 138(10), the mem - ber's five amend ments to this bill will be moved consecutively, be the subject of a single debate and have the questions put and decided collectively. I will now recognize the hon ourable member for River Heights to move his amendments. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clause 18 in t he proposed clause (l.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), and adding "and " at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) requirements for barrier -free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act; Mr. Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the hon- ourable member for River Heights, seconded by the honourable member for Tyndall Park (Ms.

Lamoureux), THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clause 18 in the proposed clause 1.1 to–by striking out "and " at the end of subclause (i), and adding "and" at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) requirements for barrier -free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act; The member made a slight mistake in reading.

Is there leave to consider it as printed? [Agreed] THAT B ill 10 be amended in Clause 18 in the proposed clause (l.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), adding "and" at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) requirements for barrier-free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act; Mr. Gerrard: Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clause 29 in the proposed clause (l.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), adding "and" at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) requirements for barrier -free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act; Mr. Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the hon- ourable member for River Heights, seconded– An Honourable Member: Dispense. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Dispense? Dispense.

I'll now recognize the hon ourable member for River Heights to move his next amendment. Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clause 40(

a) in the proposed clause (d.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), and adding "and " at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) respecting require ments for barrier- free access for meeting parti cipants, in accordance with The Ac cessibility for Manitobans Act and the acces sibility standards prescribed under that Act; Mr. Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the hon- ourable member for River Heights, seconded by– An Honourable Member: Dispense. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Dispense? Dispense. There was an error in–by the honourable member in reading it.

Is there leave to have this amendment as written? [Agreed] THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clause 40(

a) in the proposed clause (d.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), adding "and" at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) respecting requirements for barrier- free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act;

780 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 Mr. Deputy Speaker: I am informed I should have stated earlier these first three amend ments are all in order. Mr. Gerrard: Mr.

Deputy Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clause 52 in the proposed clause (gg.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), adding "and" at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) requirements for barrier -free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act; Mr. Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the hon- ourable member for River Heights– An Honourable Member: Dispense. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Dispense.

The motion is in order. Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I move, seconded by the MLA for Tyndall Park, THAT Bill 10 be amended in Clauses 53(1) and (2) in the proposed clause (d.1) by striking out "and" at the end of subclause (i), adding "and " at the end of subclause (ii) and adding the following after subclause (ii): (iii) requirements for barrier -free access for meeting participants, in accordance with The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards prescribed under that Act; Mr. Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the hon- ourable– An Honourable Member: Dispense. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: Dispense. The motion is in order. The floor is open for debate. Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I've brought forward five report stage amend ments to Bill 10, which itself, built in, provides amend ments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and various corporate statutes. The five amend ments are similar, with one dealing with The Condominium Act, one for The Cooperatives Act, one for The Cor porations Act and two for The Credit Unions and Caisses Populaires Act. In each case, in the

section dealing with electronic meetings, a clause is added which makes provision for the possi bility of regula tions which provide details for requirements for barrier -free access for meeting participants in accordance with The Ac cessibility for Manitobans Act and the accessibility standards pre - scribed under that act. These words would come under the

section which allows for regula tions to be provided respecting electronic meetings in each of these bills. It follows clauses which allow for the provision of regulation in relation to the notices and the calling of electronic meetings and for voting at electronic meetings. The five amend ments include one for The Condominium Act, one for The Cooperatives Act, one for The Cor porations Act and two for The Credit Unions and Caisses Populaires Act. The amendments are being introduced to address the concerns raised by David Kron at committee stage with respect to access for individuals with disabilities.

I will quote from the transcript from the com mittee meeting. I had asked David Kron the following: Just to be clear in terms of what you're asking for, I think that part of what you would like is that where we're amending The Condominium Act, The Cooperatives Act and The Corporations Act, that there should be a clause in each of these amendments that specifically says that the meeting must follow the requirements for the–of The Ac cessibility for Manitobans Act. Is that the direction you would like? And David Kron then replied, and I quote: Yes, that's exactly what we would recommend to the com- mittee.

It reinforces a law that's already on the books, and it makes all those organizations look and see what the AMA act is. Because one out of –almost 40 per cent of the business leaders in Manitoba do not know what the AMA is, this reinforces some thing that's already been passed. * (15:10) Now let me illustrate with an example why it's so important to add this clause. I will refer to the situation of individuals who are hard of hearing, who have a disability, in that they can hear less well and in order to what–understand what is said, they need assistance.

Let me tell you the story of Gladys Nielsen, a senior who has dif ficulty hearing and has a cochlear

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 781 implant. She attended one of the government's consul- tation events with respect to the budget. She asked for closed captioning so she could easily follow what was said. The first meeting she was to attend, closed cap - tioning was not provided and the meeting was of little use to her. However, closed captioning was provided at a meeting she attended after Christmas and she was easily able to know what was happening and to participate equally in the meeting with others.

Now, individuals might say you could not do that at all the business meetings mentioned under these acts. However, the fact is that Zoom and other means which provide for electronic and virtual meetings, Zoom provides the ability to use closed captioning and there're, indeed, apps for Zoom which would make this very easy to provide. Thus, with a small change in the legis lation it's possible to accommodate an individual with a hearing difficulty.

And I w ould remind those MLAs who re - present rural areas that some 50 per cent or more of farmers over the age of 50 have a hearing loss and I'm sure that MLAs repre senting rural areas would not want to make it difficult for half the farmers in their constituencies to participate in these meetings. It is 2022 and it's time to ensure that individuals with disabilities can participate easily. There are about 175,000 Manitobans with a dis ability. They are im - portant. These report stage amendments are important for them and I hope all MLAs will support these report stage amendments. Thank you. Merci. Miigwech.

Dyakuyu. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The–mic's on. Okay, are there any other speakers? Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): I just want to put a few words on the record regarding the amendments brought forward by the member for River Heights (Mr. Gerrard). This bill is about seamlessly extending provisions that are already in place and these amendments would expand on the limited nature of the emergency meas- ures that are in place already today. As such, we do not know the subsequent impacts, if any, that these changes would result in.

As such, I would be concerned about loosely accepting them on the floor of the House today. That said, I hav e heard the concern about acces sibility raised by both mem- bers opposite and our public presenter the other night and during com mittee, and would be happy to take this back to the department and assess whether future changes are required. Again, as I stated at committee, all organizations covered by these acts have a good faith responsibility to be inclusive of their memberships. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): So, what I'll say in regards to the amendments is that we heard very clearly from David Kron at committee and we've heard loud and clear from many advocates in the dis- abilities community that when pieces of legislation are brought forward, especially legis lation–I would say it's all legis lation but , in particular , bills like this , which purport to make accessibility better, to enhance that for the general public, it is really im portant that we don't, you know, in this case I would almost say intentionally, because at this point concerns have been brought forward, perpetuate disadvantaging folks who already have a hard time accessing certain spaces and opportunities.

And so I just want to again thank Mr. Kron for bringing his concerns forward. And I want to highlight that The Accessibility for Manitobans Act does provide a wealth of information that should inform legislation before it's brought to the floor of this House. And ideally, you know, advocates would not have to extend energy after the fact, after they've fought so hard for that act to be in place, in order to see the act in and of itself represented and reflected in the decision making in regards to legis - lation. Thanks. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Any further speakers?

The question before the House are the five report stage amendments put forward by the honour able member for River Heights. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the amend- ments? Some Honourable Members: Agreed. Some Honourable Members: No. Mr. Deputy Speaker: I hear a no.

782 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 Voice Vote Mr. Deputy Speaker: All those in favour of the amendments, please say yea–aye. Some Honourable Members: Aye. Mr. Deputy Speaker: All those opposed, please say nay. Some Honourable Members: Nay. Mr. Deputy Speaker: In my opinion, the Nays have it. I declare the amendments lost. * * * Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I'm asking for a recorded vote. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Does the member have the support of three other members? I would ask anyone in favour to please rise to show their support. The member does not have sufficient support.

I declare the amendments lost–defeated. CONCURRENCE AND THIRD READINGS Bill 10–An Act respecting Amendments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Corporate Statutes Mr. Deputy Speaker: We will no w move on to concurrence and third reading of Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amendments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Corporate Statutes. Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance (Mr. Friesen), that Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amend ments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Corporate Statutes, be reported from the Standing Com mittee on Social and Economic Development, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed. Motion presented. Ms. Gordon: Mr. Deputy Speaker, I'm pleased to rise for a third reading of Bill 10,

An Act respecting Amendments to The Health Services Insurance Act, The Pharmaceutical Act and Various Cor porate Statutes. This bill will enable the seamless transition of im- portant and convenient measures that were imple- mented through emergency orders in response to the COVID-19 pandemic to become permanent and on- going features of our new normal. Bill 10 will enable pharmacists to consider ad - ministering and interpreting COVID-19 point-of-care tests. I want to ensure that the cost of all medically necessary COVID tests will continue to be paid by Manitoba Health.

The tests reflected in this bill are for travel and rapid access purposes only. Pharmacists have played a vital role in our tremendously success- ful vac cination program, and this type of testing in their pharmacies has become a convenience for many Manitobans. Mr.

Deputy Speaker, Bill 10 also includes amendments under a number of cor porate acts that allows for the continued option of virtual meetings to be held for a number of organi zations such as condo boards, credit union and co- op annual general meetings. * (15:20) This option has been generally well received by the memberships as a way to continue safely social distancing and to enable greater participation of their memberships and shareholders.

I want to note that I ap preciate the feedback we have received on acces sibility, access and secret - ballot con sideration that members opposite and our public delegation has provided. I note that all organizations covered by these acts, again, have a good-faith responsibility to be inclusive of their memberships and that w e expect all organ - izations to use virtual meetings as a tool for greater participation, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and not less. On a final note, thank you to all the members of this Chamber for their support and co-operative spirit on Bill 10.

I appre ciate the general consensus and willingness of the members opposite to expedite passage, as it will mean there should be no disruption to the public in regards to conveniences they exper - ienced during the pandemic. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): I appre- ciate the opportunity, again, to put some words on the record in regards to Bill 10.

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 783 I've had the oppor tunity, in a very short amount of time, to talk about this bill in some detail. But I think it is important that whenever we can talk about pieces of legis lation like this that, you know –I certainly understand why this is being brought for - ward. It's also important for us to talk about the gaps and where, you know, this government can do better, where we can all do better moving forward when we bring about legislation.

So, first, I do want to say that, you know, we all understand that this pandemic has forced governments across the world to reconsider and consider deeply how they operate. And not just governments; this pan- demic has forced organizations, financial institutions, you know, early -childhood-education centres. It's forced all of us, really, to consider deeply how we operate and it's forced us to adapt and change to allow for the continuation of the things that we need to do.

And so we certainly understand that emergency orders that were made under the health services act are due to expire on April 17th, and that the government, you know, intends to have this legis lation passed i n order to continue on some of the measures that were put in place so that there would be an opportunity for folks to engage in the ways they need to during this pandemic. I certainly understand and appreciate that.

Where I raise concern, where I have previously and where I'll do it again, is that we need to make sure these changes that are being made aren't actually making it more difficult for some folks to participate. And that's more speaking to the aspects of this bill that are addressing The C ondominium Act, The Cooperatives Act, The Cor porations Act and the credit unions act.

What I'll first do is talk about the public health aspect, though, of this legis lation, because that is something that, you know, we understandably have concerns ar ound and that I strongly encourage the government to do its due diligence in terms of making sure that the direction they could be headed with this piece of legis lation isn't one that, you know, under - mines public access to health care, which is ultimately the bulk of my concern in regards to the decision being made on the public health aspect of this legislation.

So, you know, obviously, I think that most people understand we're still in a pandemic, right? We want this fourth wave to be done. We want to be done with COVID, absolutely. The reality of it is people are still getting sick with COVID. Unfortunately, people are getting very sick with COVID, some people are dying of COVID and we need to make sure that we still have access to COVID testing, that folks have access to COVID treatments. The window for being able to access treatments is very, very short. It's very brief; it's only five days.

And, you know, when a bill like this is brought forward and we're talking about, you know, making sure pharmacists can still administer COVID testing, making sure people can access it, you know, in those establishments, businesses, what have you, I get that. That makes sense. But what we also need to be talking about –and this is still an area the gov ernment has not been able to provide very much clarity on what soever–is how, generally, Manitobans can expect to access COVID tests.

I don't understand how, at this point, that's a difficult question to answer or a question, this govern- ment hasn't just rolled the plan out for Manitobans to say: listen, over the next four weeks this is what we're looking at; over the next eight months –sorry, eight weeks, this is what we're looking at. We're looking at, in six months, this is what you can come to expect , barring, you know, an increase in numbers or the introduction of a new variant. We've been through this now for a couple of years.

This gov ernment should be able to put plans in place that factor in different variables and tell Manitobans what they can come to expect in terms of access to health care. And so, yes, okay, this legislation, we understand why this is being brought forward, support that. But at the same time, when we're asking questions about how can Manitobans expect to and where can the y expect to access COVID testing, and how is it going to be communicated–because I am telling you right now, it's not being communicated very well at all.

How is it going to be communicated that new oral –with new oral therapeutics being more readily available, folks can get this in five days and potentially save their life. These are important questions. Lastly, I want to make sure that, on the technolo- gical aspect of this bill, that I high light somebody in my own constituency doing an incred ible amount of work: Allen Mankewich. He's a dis abilities activist, advocate, and he talks about The Acces sibility for Manitobans Act all the time.

I hope that this Conservative gov ernment will listen to folks like Allen, and instead of bringing forward legislation that needs to be amended, do the due diligence in advance

784 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 so that we can all be in full support of a bill that affects many Manitobans. Thank you. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise to put a few comments on the record on Bill 10, the act respecting health ser - vices insurance, pharmaceutical and various corporate statutes. I will talk first about the point-of-care tests which are discussed under The Health Services Insurance Act and The Pharmaceutical Act.

Clearly, it is impor- tant that these point-of-care tests be available and that the tests which are available be both the rapid antigen tests and, when they are available, the rapid PCR tests. And we need–in addition to having these tests available it is becoming in creasingly clear that it's very important that people have a way of keeping a record which can be accepted as docu mentation that they had a positive test. Right now, that is only possible if you have a test done at–by–in a pharmacy or in a hospital or health-care institution.

But for many people at the moment, the rapid antigen tests are being done at home and there is not adequate documentation of a positive test that will be accepted as proof that the person has had a COVID infection. And this becomes im portant in a variety of cir - cumstances. A number of countries are now accepting a recent–in the last six months –COVID-positive test as being equivalent to somebody having been vac - cinated, in that the person would have some level of immune response.

That may be important for a num- ber of people to have that documentation if they want to travel at the moment, and we don't know how long into the future that will also apply. But it is also im portant for people who develop long COVID.

And if there is not documentation which is formally accepted that a person has had a positive COVID test, then there is a possi bility that the physician or the insurance company will not accept a diagnosis of long COVID without there being a positive COVID test which has been properly documented. * (15:30) This would be, in a sense, equivalent to what has happened with fetal alcohol spectrum disorders in the past, where there is a critical need, in order to have the diagnosis, for there to be a documentation of alcohol use in pregnancy.

This is completely different, but it is a similar sort of issue that, where you want to have a diagnosis of long COVID, it is likely that you will need to have documentation of a positive COVID test, and, at the moment, tests done at home are not accept- able. We should work out ways in which tests done at home can be acceptable. People can take a photograph of the positive test. There can be somebody in the home or a neighbour who can provide signed docu- mentation of witnessing the positive test.

This should be some thing that is done and done properly right now because we have –will have, I suspect, many people in the future who can suffer because their COVID -positive test was not verified properly and may not have been then accepted in –by a physician wanting to diagnose or consid ering diagnosing long COVID, or by an insurance company, whether here or elsewhere, accepting the fact that the individual has had a positive COVID test and has thus been infe cted by the coronavirus, the SARS -CoV-2 virus or COVID-19.

So this, sadly, was not included in this act and it should have been, in order to have proper documenta- tion, allowed, substantiated and proper records. This, interestingly enough, if it had bee n done and people were then reporting these, we could have had a much better incidence of the number of people who are developing COVID-19 infections, and we would be in better shape today in terms of being able to monitor the extent of COVID-19 infections in our community and in our province.

Now there is a way that can be used for monitor- ing under the present circum stances, when we don't have the same level of monitoring, when we don't have a proper way of verifying that somebody has a COVID-19 positive rapid antigen test or rapid PCR test. And that would be for –by the testing of waste water. And we understand that the Province is doing some testing of waste water, but we are not getting daily results of that, as we should be getting, as other provinces and other jurisdictions are providing.

The government needs to pull up its socks and do a proper job instead of not reporting the level of COVID in our waste water today. The Pharmaceutical Act allows for continuation of pharmacists to do rapid antigen tests, and one pre- sumes also rapid PCR tests, when they're available, and to verify the fact that it is positive or not. This is important that this continue, but it is really important that it's not just available for people who are travelling, as it was for quite some time. I am told

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 785 that it's more available now than it was. I was told that the change was made in November or December, but, clearly, at the end of December, early January, this change had not been made aware –or not all pharmacists had been made aware of that change. It is important that people know that they have a positive test and can get that test done. It is vital, if that's to be a service provided by pharmacists, that pharmacists will be able to have the test materia ls, whether it be the rapid antigen test or the rapid PCR test, and on an ongoing and continuing basis.

It is interesting that this will set an important pre- cedent, that pharmacists should be able to do point-of- care tests in a number of areas in the future, and it is likely, given the changing nature of diagnos tic laboratory tests. For example, it–with the appropriate attachments to an iPhone, you're now able to get a number of tests done, including, I'm told, an ultra - sound. And that will change the dynamics, the avail- ability and where a test can be done.

And I suspect, in the not too distant future, we will have a larger variety of tests being able to be done in pharmacies, and that is probably a good thing, provided that we have the standards –adequate stan- dards and assurance of quality control that is well needed. Let me say a few words about The Condominium Act change, The Cooperatives Act, Corporations Act, Credit Unions and Caisses Populaires Act changes. These are changes to make vir tual meetings possible with these condominiums, co- operatives, cor por- ations, credit unions, caisses populaires, and make them sure that they are legitimate.

This is a positive step and it is a reflection of the fact that we have learned a lot during the COVID pan- demic about using virtual means from Zoom to Teams, to many others. It is im portant–an important change, but coming along with this important change, there should have been the amend ments, which I brought forward, which would have ensure d that individuals with dis abilities were not disadvantaged by this change.

It is not just me, but the MLA for Union Station, who has put forward a variety of circumstances where individuals who are disadvantaged or with disabilities may be handicapped by this approach and may not be able to fully participate. It is really im portant that we are an inclusive society. It is really im portant that we have The Accessibility for Manitobans Act and the standards which come under that act. It is with almost disbelief that I saw the minister stand up and say she wouldn't support this.

I think we are at a day, at an age, at a time when people with dis abilities should be supported and ac - commodated. These are, in fact, required under law, and so it shouldn't have been a big step to include The Accessibility for Manitobans Act, and the standard under that act is clearly applicable in these circum - stances. It is so im portant. Whether it be dis abilities like problems hearing or problems seeing, or physical dis- abilities or mental disabilities, there needs to be some action, some consideration. People should not be dis- missed. They should not be turned aside.

They should not be prevented from adequately participating. There are 175,000, approximately, Manitobans with disabilities. This is a large group of individuals. We have seen the rise of the possi bilities for those with dis abilities. We have recently seen the Paralympic Games, which Canadian athletes did very well at. It is pa st time that we should make sure that people with disabilities can participate and can partici- pate well. * (15:40) We have made a substantive change in this Chamber to accom modate a former MLA, Steven Fletcher.

And we did that because, in this Cham ber, MLAs got together and they said, this is im portant, that an individual with a dis ability should be able to participate just like anybody else. That should have been a part of this act and this amendment, and it's a disgrace that it is not. I'm sorry that it didn't happen. I am discouraged by the negative approach of the minister and the lack of support that I saw.

I can only hope that at some point in the future, the govern ment will change its approach to people with disabilities and be much more open and much more inclusive and ensure that people with disabilities are no longer disadvantaged the way they have too often been in the past. Thank you. Merci. Miigwech. Dyakuyu. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Are there any other speakers? Is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The question before the House is the third reading–concurrence and third reading of Bill 10.

786 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 5–The Coat of Arms, Emblems and the Manitoba Tartan Amendment Act Mr. Deputy Speaker: We will now move to Bill 5– to concurrence and third reading of Bill 5, The Coat of Arms, Emblems and the Manitoba Tartan Amendment Act. Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice a nd Attorney General): I move, seconded by the Minister of Agriculture (Mr.

Johnson), that Bill 5, The Coat of Arms, Emblems and the Manitoba Tartan Amendment Act, reported from the Standing Com mittee on Social Economic Development–Social and Economic Development, be concurred in and now read for a third time and passed. Motion presented. Mr. Goertzen: I'm very pleased to stand to put just a few words on third reading regarding this parti cular bill, known, I think, as the polar bear bill and making the polar bear an emblem, officially, of Manitoba. And I think, unofficially it is, in many ways, already an emblem.

For those who live in other places around the world, I think they recognize Manitoba as being home to polar bears, and, of course, the polar bear capital of the world, the–Churchill. And, those who live in Manitoba, and I've said it before, I think that many people do believe already that the polar bear is a symbol of Manitoba. School - children–I sometimes get a chance to ask, they will identify the polar bear, along with the bison, at times, as a symbol. So I think it is high time that we give the polar bear this recognition.

I know that there have been questions about what does the bill do in terms of sustainability for the polar bear and other sort of matters. And, of course, like a lot of the different emblem bills that we have in Manitoba–whether it's for the bison or for the spruce or the great grey owl–they are not bills that go beyond simply naming these iconic symbols as an emblem.

But it is im portant to recog nize them as an emblem, because I think–and the House leader for the opposition did say in committee, and I agree with her– that sometimes just recognizing the im portance of something has a lot of tertiary benefits because it does cause people to talk or to think about the importance of something to Manitoba, and the polar bear would be one of those.

So I'm pleased that all members of the House have agreed to support this bill and have ensured that it has speedy passage, and I appreciate that, because I think that there are things in this House, more than most people know, that we do agree on and that there is not division on. We focus a lot on the things where we disagree on, and that's fine; that's part of the demo - cratic process. We should not lose that ability or that enthusiasm for disagreement. But we should also re - cognize that when there are things we agree on, there isn't necessarily a reason to try to find disagreement.

And sometimes I know, in opposi tion, you feel that you must find disagreement with everything that the government does, but I'm glad, on this bill, by and large, that hasn't been the case. And so I look forward to quick and unanimous passage of this bill. Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): So I do want to put some comments on the record in respect to Bill 5, and I do want to concur with the Gov ernment House Leader (Mr. Goertzen) that we are in support of Bill 5 and certainly in support of recognizing the importance of polar bears to the identity of Manitoba.

And, certainly, the Government House Leader is right that Manitoba is known around the world. In fact, it is part of our tourism. It's what brings money into Manitoba that folks from around the world want to see polar bears. So we're in agreement with all of that and we're in agreement that we're going to support this bill. However, I will just put a couple of remarks on the record here. You know, we are in a climate crisis, Deputy Speaker.

There's no denying that around the world, environments are in a crisis because of climate change and because of –as the United Nations has stated in the last six or seven months –because of the actions and activities of humans. Humans are contributing 100 per cent to the climate change that we are ex - periencing across the globe, and Manitoba's North is no different.

The climate change that we see in our North is sometimes rendered in pictures that journalists get of polar bears on an iceberg by themse lves in a sea of ocean where normally there would be ice and polar bears could travel the miles upon miles upon miles

March 16, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 787 that they do in search of food and raising their off - spring and getting ready for the, you know, all of the elements that present themselves within their lives. And so, yes, Bill 5 is a feel-good bill. We can all feel good about making the polar bear an official em- blem of Manitoba.

But the fact remains is that, you know, in this House as legis lators and particularly as government, gov ernment has a responsi bility to do everything that they can to protect polar bears, to protect polar bears for what Manitoba is known for, to ensure that we will have polar bears for generations to come. That is the respon sibility of being in gov ern- ment. It's not only the responsibility of being in govern- ment to do something that really takes no effort, and making the polar bear the official emblem or one of the official emblems of Manitoba takes no effort. There's no cost to it. It feels good.

We can all rally around it. But we need concrete actions in respect of protecting polar bears. And I think it's im portant to put on the record here, Deputy Speaker, a couple of things that the PC government–both Brian Pallister's gov ernment and the Stefanson gov ernment–have done, have undertaken since 2016 when they became gov ern- ment. So they–the PCs scrapped plans to protect polar bear dens through the esta blishment of a polar bear provincial park. They scrapped that.

Again, what we're trying to do is protect the popula tions of polar bears that are fragile at best right now because of what we're doing. * (15:50) And so, in 2013, Deputy Speaker, the NDP, our government, announced plans to begin consul tation for a provincial park on the Hudson Bay coastline to protect polar bear denning areas. At the time, it was heralded by environ mental groups as an excellent initiative to protect the species. And I just want to put a couple of the words on the record at that time. So, the Manitoba

chapter of Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society wrote, and I quote: With polar bears facing an uncertain future as climate change alters their winter sea ice hunting grounds, protections of large areas of their land base habitat will provide gr eater op portunity to adapt to these changes. By far, the largest park in Manitoba, if created, it will serve a huge diversity of species in this northern boreal region, including caribou, Arctic fart– fox, beluga whales and thousands of migratory birds that flock here to breed in the summer. End quote. Deputy Speaker. I know, that was a little bit of a mix- up there.

And so, back in 2016, the PC–the PCs at the time pretended that they were going to support the NDP plan, and then the minister of Sustainable Develop- ment told the press that, and I quote: The long- term sustainability of polar bears is important to Manitoba and definitely im portant to all of us, so we want to move forward with the park in conjunction with First Nation peoples. End quote. But since then, the provincial–officials have con- firmed that the PC government abandoned this initia- tive; they just abandoned it. They just gave up on polar bears.

They didn't want to protect areas that would contribute to the long-term sustainability of polar bear populations–that's gone, that's out. And then it is important to know that CPAWS still continues to advocate for this polar bear park. So, you know, in the next year and a half, I think that's what we're looking–are 500 -plus days until the next elec - tion in October of 2023. The PC gov ernment can restart that and start that process of looking at pro- tecting polar bear denning areas.

They can do that right now, right in conjunction with this bill, they can say, yes, we're going to do this and we're going to make polar bears the official emblem of Manitoba, but we're also going to do some thing that's even more tangible and more important, and that is to ensure that we're protecting areas for polar bears. More recently, what w e saw the Stefanson gov - ernment do was they–it–well, let me just backtrack a little bit here. In –since 1984, the Manitoba gov ern- ment had issued 18 tundra vehicle permits for companies to facilitate polar bear tourism in the North.

So, as I noted and as everybody knows here in this Chamber, polar bears are a part of tourism for Manitoba and certainly for Churchill. Lots of folks go up there. I've been up there. I've had the pleasure of being up there and didn't see any polar bears. I did see hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of beluga whales, which looked like kind of waves but actually they're beluga whales coming in and out. It was quite– something I'll never forget.

So, of course, you know, going out on the tundra trying to see polar bears is a huge c ontributing factor to tourism and so these 18 permits limit was a good balance to preserving the Churchill area's ecosystem and allowing the tourism sector to still thrive, Deputy Speaker.

788 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 16, 2022 And so, unfor tunately, without consulting Churchill residents and unbeknownst to anybody, the PC gov ernment, the Stefanson gov ernment, gave another permit. And what's shocking–again, no con- sultation–nobody asked for an addi tional permit to make it up to 19 or 20; didn't do any of that. But what's shocking about this is, I mean, maybe that–maybe it's not shocking consid ering what we know about their candidate now in Fort Whyte, they gave this permit to a former Conservative Party of Canada candidate and a PC party of Manitoba donor; they gave that.

And so there–and here–the other piece about this is that other–[interjection]–I don't know why they're upset. I'm just pointing out facts, that it seems to be a pattern with the PCs here that they give money to their friends and then they let them run for them to–so that we're all going to have to sit in this office knowing that folks are given $500,000 when other small busi - nesses are struggling here. So, again, I guess it's not shocking that the PCs keep giving these, like, benefits–not to anybody else, but to their friends who make donors–[interjection] Mr. Deputy Speaker: Order. Ms.

Fontaine: So let me just say this. When they did this, and they went against expert advice, they upset quite a few people. They upset, you know, members of the busi ness community in Churchill. They upset First Nation leadership who were not consulted on this as well. And certainly they –the PCs upset environ- mental groups. Because, again, it means nothing for us to have a polar bear as our official emblem if we have no polar bears; if we don't do what this building is designed to do, and that is what's in the best interest of all Manitoba, including protecting polar bears.

I want to just share John Gunter, a Churchill busi- ness owner, and he said, and I quote, Deputy Speaker, he said: it's extremely–I'm extremely disappointed in the government's action, and I just don't understand. I'm stunned. It seems like there's two sets of rules, and I'm not sure why that's the case. End quote. We've established, in the last two weeks i n this Chamber–and well beyond that, but certainly in the last couple of weeks –we've established that there's one set of rules for them, and then one set of rules for the rest of us, the rest of Manitobans.

And here's a good example of just giving a new permit to a new busi ness of a PC donor who –I don't know what his quali fications are. Like, what are his qualifications? Does he have connections to the com- munity? Does he have connections to First Nation leadership? Does any of that money help the commu- nity? I don't know any of that. I don't think Manitobans know any of that. And so, I think I want to put some words on the record, again, for another business owner. And Caleb Ross echoed those concerns, and he said that he only heard about this additional permit through the grape- vine.

Like, the government didn't even let any of the other permit holders know that they were giving these new permits. And that –it's surprising and a bit dis - appointing that the rest of us weren't given the option.

So the PC government chose to give an additional permit that nobody asked for to a PC donor, but didn't–you know, for all the talk of the PCs who say that they care so much about business and small busi- ness and blah, blah, blah, didn't give the operators that are already doing good work, that already have those established relationships with com munity and First Nation com munities, and have already established that they are good operators in the environment, didn't give them the oppor tunity if –for whatever reason, which we still don't know why they decided to give an additional permit–they didn't give those small busi - nesses the option of getting that one additional permit.

Gave it to some PC donor. I have to say, it's so offensive tha t this gov ern- ment keeps rewarding those people who give them money. And again, like, you know, we see the example in the last little bit with, you know, $500,000 to a candidate when, you know, we have so many small busi nesses all across Manitoba that were struggling just for the little bit of pittance that they gave to small businesses, and had to go–jump through all of these hoops, and yet somebody comes out in support of the Premier (Mrs. Stefanson)

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