Volume XL Thursday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT (Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.J. McNicholas Number 25 28 April 1988

The Houce met at 3:00p.m . MR. SPEAKER (McNicholr.ui_l: Or'der, pleaSE!! Statements by Ministers MR. BLANCHARD: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Labour. MR. RI.ANCHARO: Ml". Speaker, I would like t.o h "i. g h 1 i. g h t for t. h J s h o n . 1-1 o 1.1 s o Ml d for pubJ ic attention that g o v E:~ r n me n t: h a s p r' o c 1 at rrw d i-. o d a y , Apl"i] 28, J.9B8 as a Day of MoUJ"n·i n~J i.n n~cogn i.t:Jon of llJOrknr's kilJod, injured or disabJ.(,H'J in ti'H"! tA.Io r' k place .

F o r' U1 e p a s t hA.Io y ear' s , t: h 0 Canadian Labour Congress has observed a Day of Mourni.ng l:hr'oughout Canada to dratAJ aU:E!nt:i.on to thE! sacrif"i.cr-~ which many of our workers have to pay in earning a living for themselves and thEdr families. As Minister with responsibility for occupational health and safety, I t'Hn pJ.eased to support that effort to help E!nsure that effective measul"es are put 'i.n place to alleviate such suffering.

We are very conscious that effective occupational health and safety st:.andards should bE! in placE:~ nol: only lo preVE!nt such tragic loss of life and d i. s d. b ll i. t y , b u l-: a l. s o 1:-. o f~ n s u r e that fair and equitable cornpr,~nsal:i. on pr'ogrRmmes exi.sl : l.o PI"Otect lAJOI"kei"S and the:ir fam:ll.i.es IAJ h E! r' f:! s u c h l: r a g e d :i. o s d o o c c u r' . Our occupal.:i.onaJ. hec'll l: h and Jegislatjon contains 1.1275 Aprtl 2B, 1.988 safE! 1-:y l·:hroe Vol.

XL. important provisions designed 1:-.o ass J s t 1 . .110 r· k f:! 1n s "i. n pre v E:! n t 'i. n g injury and disease on the job: First, the right of workers to r' e r u s e t-. o tAl o r k ·i n u n s a F e p 1 a c u s ; second, thE! right t.o bE! infor'ITIE•d of r.:~xi . st::ing or potc;!nt. :ial job hazards; attd th:lrdly, thE! right t.o partJ.c:ipal:e on jo"i.nl~. tAJorkphu;e hE!alth and safE!ty cornnrH:tE!ElS. The~e provlsions prov·Lde a significant dc!tE!rrE!nt l:o unsafE! and unhealthy wot'ki . ng conchtions. Mr.

SpE!akE!r, I br'ing this to t:.hE! a l:tc-:!nt ·Lon oF ;:d.J. hon. lnf:11TibE!r''> t:o encourage them to focus on the t~JOr'!<:~l"'> and l:hr:! i.r' f;:uni l ins IAJho have suffered from workplace ar:r:i.d1::~n+·!; r:~nd l·o hJ.r~hl. · i.ghL Lht:! efforts by government, workN'S and t:!rnploynlns 1-.o t' educf:! l:·.hE:!sr:• unfortunate occurrences. MR. WELLS : Mr . Spr:'aker'. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the of lhe Opposi.ti.on. MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker, I risE! t.o c:ormnE!nd thE! minister and the government for taking this action.

It is obviously a very sensible course to folJ.ow and will, I arn surE!, as thr:~ m'i.nist:c:~r says, hHve the c~ffE!Ct. of keeping before all of us who arc,~ concern(:~d abotJt l::h:is rnat:l::c,'r the problems of unsafe working condltlons and hazardous c o n d i t. i o n s i n t he tAl o r k p 1 a c e . I rJOtiCE!d, I beliE!Ve it. lAJas in The Evening Telegram of yesterday, that there were sorne tlAJOI'll"Y--fOIIi" pnopl ,!"! k i l.J.ed ·[.n NetAJfoundland last: YE!ar. That: j s tiAJO IAJOI''!<C"!r!; i'l ITIOJ1i·:h . J:n t:hCS!':' circurnstanCE!S, Mr'. SpE!akE!r', i.i: No. 2 S R1.27S

bE!~JOoves aJ.l of us to pay a great deal more attention to safe IAJ o r k i n g c o n d :i. U o n 5 i n t h E! workplace, p~rticularly when you J.ook at kind of occupations many of our people engage in; peoplrn 1~1h o s e I" v e d on fa c J 1 it :i e 5 such as the Ocean Ranger and who work clr:dly on ft~;h:ing vesseJ.s, t.uho p 1 a c P. t. h ~:!Ins e l. v e s a 1·. g r E:1 f.l L in . I. ~; k , as well as people who go down in tTtti1E!S, li.l<e the !)L. LalJJrl:!ncc Tllines, and we ought ·to pay a grE:1al: deal. of <:11:tenl:::i.on to thai: not.u. Again, Mr·.

Speaker, I commend the m"i.nis I:E!r r:~nd the governmE!nt for their action. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE:1ar, h~~ar! MR. LONG: Mr . SpeakE!r . Mf~. SPEAKER: The hon. the member for St. John 1 s East. MR. l,_mJG : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . It ts hard to agree with lhe Leader of thE:1 Offidal Oppos:i.tion (Mr. W<,1lls) that- . l:l·lf~ M-i.n:i.ster of Labot~r (Mr. Blanchard) should be c:oml'rl<'!l'ldE!d. In fac::1: , I ~~JOI . tld 1-i.kr~ i-o say tha·l- . I believe the rn:i.nister and L:he govcH·nmonl: shoLJl.d bo asharued of themselves for not pa.rl~ -i.r.i . pa 1.: i.ng i.n lhc-~ mf~mod.aJ. cer·ernony today.

I was outsidE! :in the cool air at 12:00 o 1 clock. The:1 Mayor o·F the city t.uas thE!re. All denomtnat-i.ons were reprE:1sen-t.ed. There were something in the order of twenty-five cornrnurlity organizations, relatives of people who went down on !::he Ocean Ranger, numerous tradE! u n J o n g r o u p s , a n d t h i. s p a r t y a n d the Libera]. Opposition, who alJ. placfH~ wrE!at.hs a·l~ l:.h(;! foot. of the Ocr:!an Ranger ME!morial. ThE!re tAJas '-12'76 April ?.H, 191313 Vol. XI .. no one there frorn · government to SCI.Ij a fE!IAJ I~Jords . Mr·.

Spr;!akE!r, i:'l YE!ar aqo Loday l stood in this HousE! and a::;kE!d !:he M :i. n i s 1: f~ r of I. abo 1.11n i).J h y t h c:• governmE!rl'l IAJas not. proSE!I1 t a l: t.:hE! offic: i.<:ll ct:!r'f~morl"i . es to cornrneJnor •''' t.e the Day of Mourning. ThE! nr:Ln:is t.E!r sai.d l:hdl:: h1"! di.d nol: hr.~vp adE!qual:.E! notice, but would be looking foiniAJard to cormnomorat lng I.: he day nE!Xt- year, lAJhicl·l he has done t:oday by hi.s procl.mnation.

But tt --Ls important that thE! goVE!rnment be fran l: and centre to lay a wrE!a l:h on behalf of the people of this Province at the Memor--Lal and to play an active, visiblE! part :in rE:1Cogn-i.zi.ng the Day of Mourntng. I am ashamE!d to scly, Min. SpE!akar ' , that government were not visible today, and they should apologize to the organizers of the event and to all those who partic:ipatad. MR . BLANCHARD: Mr. Speaker·, on a point of ordE!ln . I'-1R. SPEAKER: A point of order, thE! hon. -I":. he f"').wi.si·.er of Li'1bou;n. MR. flUlNCHF1RD: Mr.

Speai<E!r', the han. rTIE!mbE!ln St'!E!rriS l·.o be ·i.rnply-:i.ng l:hdt IJ~f'! h.-~d b~H!I1 officially notified or something on thi. s s ·ide of l:hn flousP about thE! ceremony today. I haVE! neVE!r, last 'Jf:1ar or t·.his year, b~H~n off i c i a 11 y i n f o r rn E! d t.l1 a t. t h E! r E! 1~1 a s goi.ng to bn a. serv:i.cP. l: oday on i::hE• grounds of the building. MR. MITCHELL: Who or·gan:i.zed th<;! cer'E:'tnony, thE! Canadian -- MR. LONG : To tha 1:. poinl: of order, ~1r . MR. SPEAKER : Rl2'76

To the point of Lhe rneml·H:!r For ~) 1:. Ml~. I ONe; ; orc!E:H', John's the hon . Fas ·1:. Ind(H,1cl, Mr~ . SpE!akE!r', I wondE!r if l: h E! rn -L n "i. s t <:! r rn t g h i:. · i n h "i. s o IJJ n defence say that. There has beE!n publ.:ic-i.t.y for· num(,~rOIJS days. I checked with officials who organized the event and the government IAJas indeed invited. The people who organized it do not understand 1..uhy goVE!rnrnent. was not there. It is not good EHlOIJgh. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPFAKf.R: 0 r· d (H' , pl. (~a s f;! ! rho,~ t:! "i. ~; no po-i n I· of or d (! , ... MR. RTDFOUT: Mr . S~H:1akE:H'.

M R . S PI~ A K F.l~ ; The hon. l:he Min:i st:e1n of Foishel"ies. SOME HON. MF.MUERS: 1-1 e a ,~ , h e ell'' ! MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure t.o provi.de Rn update to this han. house tAdth r·espect to government's :i.nvolvem(;!nt w:i.t.h loan guarantE!(:1S as they re!late! to fish processing companies. In the past SE!VE!ral IJJeeks we have E!XtendE:~d and pl~ov-i.ded new guarantees on behalf of ten companies totalling approximately $3 million. This assistancE! has i. rn p a c L (c~ d v e r· y p o s i. 1: t v o l y o n ~pproximately 1200 jobs, Mr.

Spr:~ a k e r· - PRFMTER PFCI<FORD: Did you go l·:. Cab:i_r,ot:. C:lpprovaJ. for l·.ha.l ·.? Whr:'\1.: aboul·. l.he CIICLITnbC:!I"S? You could not hav~1 ~~ot.tE!n CabtnE!t L1. 27 'i' Aproil ?.13, 19811 VoJ X I_ approval for· it. MR. RIDEOUT: ______ .. __ , ____ _ thoreby enclbllng ernployeos of thE! cornpaniE!~> aff'ecte!cl to have rn (,1 a n -L 11 q F u 1 a n d 1111 J c h n r:! ('! cl E'! d E!mploynlE!nt during thE! corn:ing ftsh-Lng season. ·ro be specific, Mr. SpE!akE!r, tAlE! haVE! provided assistance to the Following cornpaniE!S: 1 . Tornqat Fish Producer s Lirni.ted Co-operative Society $750,000 .

This guarantee is t.o E!tlablE! the Co-op to operate its R:igol(.:.t facility as IAJell as thE! rlE!WJ.y 1 o a s o d f :i. '>1'1 p l r.1 n t the fE!eder plants Posl'vi.1lr~. Thi~; al·.·. Mr:-1l<kov:ik and at Hop( :!dalE! clnd a s s :i. c; La n c (~ IAr.i 1 l. d:ir·ectly bE!I'1E!fit p l r.Hl 1: 1~10 i" lu1 r s ; appro x irna t.E! l y 1. 1;0 PREMIER PECKFORO: nw y a i" o go :i. n g f i. s h i. 11 q , T g u E! s s , in a hydroponic facility in R-i_goJ.el:. MR. RIDEOUT: 2.

Aqua FishE!r:.l _es Umi-t.E!d _of Aquafor l:e Covel"l'liTlE!I'lt. r'E!C(!nt.ly extended this company's guarantee of $1.50,000 for· a furthE!r' per·:i.od and our continued involvernont mEH~ns that 1.00 plant IAJorh~rs should continUE! to haVE! E!lnployrnenl th-Ls Summer·. 3. S. T. Jones and Son _,_bj.mitgst As most han. 1m1mbc'!Y'S of Uds House are ai..Ui.'lrE!, I IAIOUld SUSfJE!Ct, th:i.s company is the only tndustry on t. he is 1 and co rnrn unity of U. t t lE! Bay £sl.ands, i_n the h-Lstol"i.c d"i.str"i.ct of Grec,1 n Bay.

In recognition of this a~>SJ. ! >L ti'H'! company l·u adequate operating go v ('! ;~ l'llfl e 1·11: h a !) l" n c n n L I y an incr'(,~ase :i.n l:.h:i.s No. ?. S and 'l:o dCCf~SS an l.in('' 1 appi"O~iecl company's R1.2'77

guarantee $~i50, 000. MR. StMMONS: from $250,000 Who owns the company, Mr. Sprung? MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. J:im Mahon. to Mt". Sperlker·, government:' s s c-Ht s "i. 1:. i. v i. L y to t h 'i. s co mrnun i. 1·. y ' s need~ :.hould provide 130 tAJor·kers tAJ·i. t:h r,nnpl.oyrnf~nl'. opporl".un.i.I".-Lr~s i:hJs Summer·. 4 . Northeast Coast SeaJers Co-opr-:lral:i.ve Soci.r,~ty whJch I mentioned yesterday. Mr·. Speaker, t have:! prr:~ s ent(~d lo thi. s House notM on several different occasions, govE:H'nment' s posit.i.on t;.d.Lh rc,~Sp(;!ct Lo the r·~;:wi l:alization of thE! land b a s c,~ d s c,~ a l. h u n t .

W h i l. ~=! '"' e h a v E! stakE!d out our position, we haVE! also backed up our rhetoric with solid financial assistance. Fo~ the 1988 season, government. has extended the Co--op's t.wo E!Xisting guarantees of $200,000 and $500,000, respectively. Fur· ·thertnor·e, we ~Hwe appr·ouE!d an addiU.onal $175,000 loan guarantE!E! to meet peak operating requirements during the seal harvE:~sL, t;.~h · ich i.s not;.J ongoing. To fut"ther· assisi:. thE!

Co-op in ii:s E!Ff'ot"Ls, my dr;!parttnf:~ni: hc.\~; beo.n aut.horiH~d to provide the Co-op tAiiLh a $35,000 gr·anl: l:o hC:!l.p dE!fray intet"est costs on the Co-op's operatlng ltne. r iri. s a ~; s i. s I :r:~ n c e . M r· . s p '~ 1'1 l<f~ r· , I;.Ji. 11 be of great benefit to the 360 Co--op rn~nnbf:H'~; along tho Nor I:I·H~as 1". Coast. as well as approximately 8 plant workers at the Co-op's planl:. at Fleur de Lys, in the great, h i s t o r i. c d i. ~d.: r i. c t: of B a y V ~~ r t: P. -·· White Bay, Mr. Speaker. S .

Island Seafoods L.irrdtE!d of Cha~_l_slanq~ GoVE!rnrn~Hl t has L.1278 April 28, 1988 Vol XL approVE!d an E!XtE!nsion to t.h:is company's $2r:io,ooo guar·antE!(;! for a further period, thereby enabling tho company r.o conl:.i.ntiE! accr::'ss .. .l.nq an ad E! q U atE! 1 :i. n E! 0 f CY' E! d i l: lA I h :.i. C h 1s of crucial importancn l:.o the 250 people who tAJork at !: his plan'!:, r"lr. Spr,~akr:H' . PREMIER PECKFORD: Do l:hf;!y ht'lvo any marl<nLs, l t;.Jonder? MR .. RIDEOUT: 6 . Eastern Ocean Products U.mited, Lr,~tJ.r.i.seorU~ dist.:rict. ,._Mr .

Speaker, this company is coni:'i nwi. ng "i.ls offor·i:s l·:o break into the secondary processing mark(~l:s w-.ith a vj_t~IAJ to unclertak :.i.ng a profitable operation. PREMIER PECKFORD: W h (;! r· e i. s t: h C'd. r· mark E! t ,~~~as :i b i . .l -:i. t. y study? MR. RIDEOUT: Bol::h CJOUE!rnment r.And thE:~ cotnpi:'lny sht-lreholdE!rS werE! at.~o.JarE! that thj.s tJ.Jould bt:~ a long and arduotJS proCE!SS .

NeVE!ri:hE!less, the c om p c"' n y p r i n c:i. p "' l s h a v ~~ rn <.~ ell" a major financial cornrrd.t.rnE!ni: l:o this operation and t am pleased to advise the House today that gotJr,~rnmf=!nf.: has r,~x · t~~:!ndE!d th'i.s company's $75,000 guarant:E!E! For· a f u r· 1: h r;! r· p E:~ r :i. o d . T h i !; s h o u J cl enable Lhe company to rnainLa:i.n :its Cl.li"l"~~ni: J.rc!vr~l of otnployrnont IAJhtch has seen an aVE!rage of 10 pc;!op1E:~ on si:a ·rr at~ thr.\'1: oper·allon, ~~r. Speaker. 7 . B r :i. g B a y F :i s he r i Y:0E. . ..~..- ____ j.JJ._ .... -L!:J£. hi.stot"Jc distl"i.cl of !3"1:.

Bar·be Go v ern rn E! n t h a s a ppr;(;uE-;-d·-·-- a guar'iHl hH~ of $1.50, 000, ~~r . Speaket", a brand nEH;.J guarant .eo on b e h ell. F o ,~ t h :i. s c o rn p a n y l: o ('! n a b l E! it to continue processing opr,~r·at:.Jons at.: i. t.s Br·"i.g Bi:-ly P1ant.. This operation was cornplotely upgrad~~d by the company :i.n 1986 No. 2S rn278

.~~nd i. s notAl onr:! of !he l.;u·gr ~s t and nto:.t rnodent pr·ocessing opE!lni'.ll:::i.ons 0 n 1·. h 0 pi"()~~ ·i. 11 c e I !) N ()in ·[·. h ('!Inn Pl:!rli n(; ula. Govet"nmr:Hlt: 1 s ·i n'.'i.l:·i.al -ive t.o~ r i . l:h r o specl· . i·. o l:hi.s operation will no doubt benefit l..hE:' 1.60 plc.~nl ·. workr:.!rs IAJho t.o~Jork ;:~l·. that facility at peak. T knotiJ, Mr. SpeakE!r, tAle have the enthusiastic support of the hon. gentlE!man from St. Barbe (Mr. Furey) for this particular loan guarantee. 8 . Po r t au Port Seafood s....L Piccadill.:L.

This fresh fish operation is locatE!d on t~he Port au Port Peninsula, an arE!a of high unemployment. In recognit i on of the approxi.mat.E!ly 80 ptnocE:1Ssing jobs that: L~ h·i. ~; operdL-i.on susl:dins, goVE!rt'ln'tPnt hc1.s approved a guardnL!:1o Lo l::h:i.s cotnpHny of $1SO,OOO, Mr·. Spli:1aketn. This sho1tl.d ~1nnble l.he cornpi'lny l:o r:r.lr-ry o n nt E~ a n i n g F u J o p e r· a t. i o n s d u r i n g 1.98B and bE~yond. 9 . IJini.HL>hdtAJ Cove l 7 i.f;hc~inin!; L.imitE!Q.

Uds company opotnatE!S UH~ f·i.sh pl.;:<~nl' at Jr:•rseys ·i.c!E:!, P1acentia Bay, employing some 80 plan 1:. t.o~Jork<~rs. fREM[E~ PECKFORO: How ml:lny Spr·ung grE!enhouses do we havE:1, anytJ..Jay? MR. RIDEOUT: In order l:o assist. the company to obtain an adequate operating line, government has approved a loan guarantee of $200,000. Thi.s should permit the company to continue with its operations at Jer~eyside and continue providing much noE~d<'!d employmonl·. l:o tho J.ocal at"ea. L1279 Apd.l 28, 1988 Vol XL.

OfH~ r·ai :os a F i.s h pJ. ;utl: al: Stephenvil1e on virtually a year i"Ound basi.<; otnpJoy ·i ng ~:.otnt=! 200 plan 1·~ wor· k e r t> at p E!a k pt"odu c t.J o n . To a!; ! ; .i . ~; t l:lri s r:otnp r.uty l.·.o conl':-irlltE' tAJ:i.th i l·: s opE!rations, governntont. Y'fH: E!I'li:'.ly 8X i : E~ndod t.hE:! $300,000 guarantee that we have in p1ace and approved an additi.onal guarantE!E! of $200,000.

So we notAl have $500,000 involved with this particular company in S 1:. e pl1 en vi 1.1 e , sus t a :i rd. n g 2 00 J o o s in the district of StE!phenviJ.lE! t. hat t: he h on . g E! n t: 1 e tmit n t s v EH' y support i ve of, I have no doubt. Mr . SpE:1aker, apart. fr'om the;! assistance I haVE! annouttCE!d today, a nt.llnbl:!r of· olh<'!r fi.sh procE:! sst nq companies are currently in receipt of govc;!rl'ltnl '!nt: l.oi'\n 911i'lY'i:'l l'ltee s ror· working capital purpose s. The s e -j_ I') r: l.11 d ( ~ l: h U f 01.1 OIAIJ 1'1 9 : ~~ h .'i. l: 9 1 S Fisheries Lirnit.ed, St ..

BadJe di. !; i:r•-i t:: L - $.200,000 ; Nori :h E•r·n OWilE! Bay Fisheries $2,000,000; :r. r: h thus ~·:; e a Pi" o d u c h ; . c; J. o v E:! t" t: ot~. m I beJ.i<'!Ve it i~; $200,000; a nd (.) Ll an l. i c dtst.t"ic t. OCU r'\ 1'1 FRI" ITI S $270,000. these operal: l ons approximately 700 jobs. ·in Ex p lot l"s In l:ol :·. al, Mr. SpeakE!r, thE! nE!IAJ guarantE!(!S, the extended guarantees that I have announced here today amount to $5.6 mi.ll:i.on sustatn·Lnq. :in total, 1,900 jobs in ruraJ. Newfoundland. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE!ar! PREMIER PECKFORD: 1 ha1Je lost. conl.:r·ol. of l:.hE! pur'SE! strings.

I will have t.o resign. MR. RIDEOUT: -----~-~--·~-- Mr·. ~;)peakl'H', I haVE! st.alod and l::hE• g 0 v I'! r' n m 0 n i·: h a c; s 1.: a i: e d -- Ml~. Hl~3COCJ< : No. 25 Rl279 r--

Mr. Speaker, a point of order. PREMIER PECKFORD: Whoa p-·d e e--d clO! MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. SpE:1ak~::1r, IAJe 1·1avc,1 <HlP OIJt to the Labrador Union Shrimp Company, too. T rn"i.ssed tl:. PREMIER PECKFORD : Oh, my God! Tell us about that . MR. SPF.AI<f.R: A po .. i nt of ordE!r, Lhe hon . l:h0 niE:Hnber· for F.agle River. MR. HISCOCK: The Minister of ~nnounced $150,000 for Fisheries. Brig Bay Fisheries Br··i g Bay FisheriE!S owes Lhe peopJe in Pinware, ftshE!rrnen and plant workE!rS, $30,000. Ts that colfl-.i.ng out. of that $150,000? MR . SPEAKER: Order, please! Ti'H'!re :i.s no po i.nt of or·der.

ThE! han. the Minister of Fisheries. MR. RIDEOUT: I will be delighted to answer that qiH:1stoi.on at the r.lppropr"i.ate poi.nl-. on the Order Paper. If the hon. - gC:Hlt 1 (Hnr.\n lAd. shE! s ~. o po so ·i. 1·., I have the answer ready for him. MR. WTNDSOR: Good for· you . PREMIER PECKFORD : You know your Standing Orders . MR. RTDEOUT: M r· . S p t1 d k or , I h cllJ f~ s 1: a i" o d and '1: h o gover·n1mH1t has statc-?.d, time and a g a ·i n 1: h a 1:. 1- he f ·i. s her y -i. s bot: h l h c~ bc.ckbone of l~ur·al Nt:11AJfoundland and Lh(~ E:'cononri .c rnc.d.nstay of some 300 rural communities.

We have r·c;!cognj.ze:!d o1Jr r·c;!sponsibi .Ii.ty "i.n Ll.280 April 28, 1988 Vol XL. thi.s regarr.l, Mr. SpeakE!Y', and UH~ assistance to fish proCE!ssors that I have announced today clearly d~rnonstrates our commitment to having a we11 balanced and vtbrant processing sector . This asststance compliments other assistance that we have recently announced with respect to other fishery sectors. Hopefully, Mr .

Spc,!F.lkrH', f .. he '1.981! sc;!r.lson IAJi.ll seE• a degree of success, such that Jrli"'ny- oF the colnp<·ln.i.es pr't:!sent.ly with loan guaranteE!S IAJill be ablE! i-_o opert'\1-.f~ on ·i.nl:f:!rnal.ly gen(;!r·at·:r:H:I funds. I sincerely look f 0 I"IJ.Ji:~ rd l:o t.hE! ot:her day when thesE:1 <.oJ.nd many COJnpr:\11J.C,!S indepE:!ndE!ntly i.·\ss·I.s LancH . day arriVE!S, can operate of government HOIAH'! VPI", IJilt.::il. !::hat: Mr. Spec:oJ.kE!r, t.hi.s r('!rnaoi ns fil"rnly 9 0 V E!

I" rlJTI('! ni". cornmi t l:E!d to take whatever mE,asur·es ar·e ne:1c(;1ssary to SIJpport. thE!Se local fish cornpaniE!S to car·ry out the i r operat ·ions and provide employiTIC::!nt rE!Sidents. many badly needed opportuni.t.:i.< ''" for local SOME HON. MEMBERS : Heat~, hear! MR. W. CARTER : Mr . Spe:1aker . MR . SPEAKER : hw hon. the for· TtAii 11 i ngate. MR. W. CARTER : M1~. Speaker, I am surE• my c o l. l f~ ;:~ 9 1 1 o s o n 1": h i. s ~; '.'i d n o f L h r:• House IAJi11 join wit.h rnE! l:.his a F l: r:! r no o n ··i n IAJ (~ J. c o 1 n i. n g l: h :i. s announcement..

We have OI'H:' r'E!gr~C! i:, how(wer. T think Lhe Pr·c,Hn :i.E!Y' has been having a bit of fun wj_l .. h 1::1-w m·i.n·i.s'I-.E!Y'1 S sli:·\l .. ~~rnc,1nl:. l l"ecaJl hE' said lhPre, 1 How many Sprung gr·r:H;!I'lhot.lsc,!s do IAJC,! hav~:!? 1 T No . 2!) rn2ao

suggE~!;i ·. l:o htrn, Mr. SpHakc~l~, ~~Jf:! hctv~~ one too r11any. H e c c:-~ 11 s r:! , M i" . :·) p ~~ ;:~ k c:! r· , ·i F ·t• h i s stat.:E:HII<;!nt. doE!S anything and I I•Jel.conw ·i. l. ·i. 1-. pl"ovns j w; 1·. l'lOIAJ ·.inc-..dv'i:.a.bJ.~;:~ thE:1 gover·nrnen'l: J.s to ge:~ 1: · i . nvol.v1~d ·in Spl"t.Jng . W::! halJt=! it hE!rC:1 From the min'ist.er's own s l:abHnc:!ni:. ThE!Y hc\V~~ an expendtture here, or at least guarantees, of $5.6 rni 11. ion IAIJ. th which they have provided 1900 jobs. Noto~l, Mr;.

Speaker, if you were to look at the amount: that they hav<-:'! committed to Sprung, the same amount of money put into the:~ fisheries would have provided close to 6000 jobs. PREMIER PECKFORD: we:~ put $20 mi11.i.on Sh:ipyar·d, <:'lnd $29 Baie Verte Mines. MR. 1111. CARTER : into Marys toum rni.lli.on ·Lnt.o Tf the Prem:i e1~ and his Ce1binet. had t;:·l k on i". hn mone 1J 1·: h;:~ I· thn y hr'lV P now :i 11 v E~ s t

E) d i. n S p I" lHl g , N E:' utf o u n d 1 a n d , l:oddy, IAIOifl d be f>r'olvd:Jly 6000 jobs b<'!'!-tPI" off. Mr. Speaker, I arn sure rny c o l. lt~ a g tH:! Fro rn ~11: . B a t'l:> P. 1•10.1. com n ~' the announcement today on Brig Bay F-Lsher i. es. T i'lm glad Lhe rrd.n.i.st.er· has g:i VE:Hl him e1rnple re:1cognition for t:.he:1 t.rem<,1ndous effor·t. i·H:! put into getting that facility star·h~d. I am sure:~ l:he peoplE:~ of Brig Bay, in St. BarbE! district, wi.ll appreciate:~ IAihat he:~ d.id. Mr.

SpE!akE!r, I Udnk this statemE:~nt. today, of course, prove:~s that fish is the futur·e in this Prov i.nCE!, not cucumbers. SOME HON. r'IEMB E r~~3 : Oh, oh! MR. W. CARTER: I 1.?. B 1 April /.H, l9BB Vo 'l X 1.. Mi" . Sp0.r:~ke1~, ITIHY J: have ~nJ.r,HJCE! . It ts difficult to speak . PREMIER PECKFORD: 1 a rn so r J" y . I t i. s my fa u 1 L . MR . W. CARTEr~: ~11~ . ~> p t-) d k u r , all 1~1 E! c an "~ a y i. ~; that it is regretable that the govr:!rnHIE:!n 1.: has not don<'! tn<.H'(;!. I bE!lieve that morE! can . bE! clone, for exd.rnpl0, IAI~H:h rE!Spr,~c I ~ i·: o secondar·y proc·E!S sing.

I belieVE! that uiE! c~rE! expor·ti.ng too many jobs to other provinces and to the United State:~s. Certainly I think thE!re is ample opportunity in the P r o v :i n c ,,~ IJJ h e r· e '"l e c a n g e t f u r t. h (' r involved in secondary processing. We have Loo much fish bei.ng shipped out in its raw state while NeiAifoundJ.andN 'S dl"f! go:inq beqq:ing, looking for jobs. PREMIER PECKFORD: (Tnaud -i. blP.) r"'i" . Tllr'nC:!I" IAihE!I'l hP called -i.n today? Ml~ . SPEAKER: Or'dE!r, plE:1ase! ~__!L_~.:_ __ C A R T E R : Mr . ~)pt)dkf:!t', J do not know l.'.lhal:. ts tJJrong.

They rnust havE! a11 bE~<,HJ t.o a J. 11 n c h e o n s om r,~ 1~1 h e r· <:! . I undE!rstand the Prerrrier was in Mount Pe;;u~l. Mayi:H=! hf~ Look most of his colle!agues wi l:.h lrirn. 1 hE! way thny are talking, obviously they had more than - AN HON. MEMBER: We are just. excited about Sprung . MR. SPEAKER: order, -pJ.<,~ase! MR. W. CARTER: Mr· . Speaker , I do not k n OIAI a l. J. I~ h c:!

E) x c i. f:. o rrH:! n 1: j. s a b o u t: .. is a good announcernenL. IAH~ l C: 0 IIH~ i. 1.: . ~~ 0 <H' <·:! ~; d y i. J"l g the rninist.E:!r should rnr.lkE• rnoi"E• No. ;.>r, lAih Cl t. Tlri.s WE:! that suc h

announcements. We ar·e only sorry, by Lhe way, that he is not announcing, today, $10 m:ilJ.ion in iJIJar·antec,~ s l:.o fish process.ing companies. We i'li"E! only SOI"ry that l: he gouc,'rnmE!nt has sp~Hlt so tniJCh money on l:.hE! Sprung facility. I knOIJJ this "i.s a uco!I"Y sorE! spot. fol" the Premier and his ministE!rS, but agr:dn I repc,~r.~t, if the monc::1y that is now committed to Sprung were used in the processing of fish, then t.ue IJJouJ.d probabJ y have 6000 or 7000 jobs. Mr. SpeakE!r, (·lsI said, tAJe do appreciate the statement.

We IAJel.come -u r:Hld tAle look Fort.1li:U'd l·o '1- he rrd n :isle r b I" J n gin g in many mo r· E:~ such sl·.c.~'i:ernnnl:s 'i.n 1-.1-w ful:11r0.. SOMf HON. MEMBfRS : Hl~cH', ~war·! MR. FENWICK : Mr. SpE:~akEH· . MR. SPEAKER : T h e h o n . t: h e me rn b c,' r f o r M E:Hri. h e k . PREMIER PECI<FORD: Here is Howard Pawley corning now . MR. LONG: What are yo1J on todr.ly? MR. F ENWT.CK: It beats being Richard which ts probably your Hatfield, fato to come. MR. LONG: l~'i.gh! on! WeJ.J. !;aid .

MR. f" FNWICK: And J (olHI not h'll.king cr·i~td.n&J. conv-:lctions, I am abo 11 t e 1 e c I· o r a l s u r: c (~ s ~; . 1 P0.l:0.r· 1 • i'lbOII i· t:alking Mr·. ~)poal<(;!r, l:h::~ sc:! i'li"O gu<.·ll"r'1ni":n,~d loans. I think it "is important to r·E:~cogn-i.ze t:.h;·~t. 1-.:hco! cr·ed'i.t: of t.ht:! Ll282 April 28, 1988 Vol XL ProuinCE! is bEdng E!X tE!ndE!d to these companies. I think 1.ue should ask somE! SE!rious qUE!St:i.ons Rbout th""i.s, becausE!

I.JJE:! knoiAJ that 1.ui th EastE!E!l, for E!Xi'HnplE•, guaranteed loans are now gett i ng us into hock t: o thE! tunE! oF $3 m~Llli.on or· ~1>4 rn:i.ll "Lon, dE!pEHHhnq on which accounts and how much is ~;ett.l.e:'d. A J. so , yo tJ IJIO u 1 d not. .i. c e that: seu~ral weeks ago in this House t: h (~ M :i. n "i s L r~ i" o f F ·.i. 1'1 i'l n cr,~ ( M r . Windsor), I believe, tabled the r0.st.1l.i:s of Lhr·oe oi·. h<H' guar;'ln"i":E!ed loans that were madE! by th:is Pr·otJi.I '1C0. thr:d: IJ.H~nt br'ld, one oF them be.ing Tr·outy Sco~afood, l bel.i0.tJO, anothr~;" one boi.ng a hardwood company in Central.

NniAJfotlnd'l And, ,.,tnd anol :: hE!I" indiuiduaJ. fishermen. when r s R y 1: h a i·. , :i t t s by 1.1.1a y of saying that these particular compan".ies, Mr·. Speakc,'r, ai"Co! not the strongest and the most u""i.br·c:~nt.. Othc:!r'IJ.li. SE:', they IAJould not need loan guarantees. What thE! y IAJOU l.d havE:~ t s c r·c:!d·.i t a l~ the bank and they IAJnuld be abJ.E• to finance the t r expans-:lon based on share capital and J.oans and so on. Whr.1l:: IAI<o1 haue he:~r'('! 'i.s a J.:.i.st. of operations t.hat, by dE•ftniU.on, noed help from the gouernmenL. Mr.

Sper~kt:!r, a nu1ntwr of UHHn, I think, are adequate and a number 0 f t: h 0 rn r:·l I" (~ Y' ("' a S 0 1'1 a b l. P . W h ~:! 1'1 IAI E! ar•e J.ook:ing at E:!xpandtng thE'! SC'!t:<~1 f- i. ~; h (! i" y , !~!h U !'1 lAIC~ d r 0 J 0 0 k i. J'l SJ r'1 t us".ing mor'E! of the Pl"oducL, I l: h"inl< it 1.~; r•oa~;onr'1blc! 1·o p111·. i:\ lol: of money ·into an oper·aLi.on l:i.h~ l:.l'lc"\t b 0 C: a II S r,, i l: h i'l ~; a h d I" cf I" OIA) 1·. 0 h 0 E~ , it has a lot of work to do.

But, Mt". nu1r1bt:!i" oF SE!d.ousJ.y li:\St ynr.H' No. 25 Speai<E!r, gr·r::tnl::~:~ quE:!S t.:"i.on. lA)(~ h r:~d thE!rE! is a ·in hHI"H I: G:iUE!n t.hal":. l.:he hi.ghE '!St: R1282

p r i. c e s for f t s h i n om· h .i s

h) I" y , i. F l:hese fish compard E:~c; LvE!Y'E! not 1r1r:,, k -i. n q rno n t~ y J. C\ s 1·. y C:! r.~ I" 1:: h n n ~~H~ hr.we to r.t;H··t- asking somE! VE!ry S (H' -j. 0 1.1 S C[ I I 0 S 1: i. 0 tl ~; i'l b 0 I I l I~J h r:d: 1·1 (! r' t l1ey a1"e E:~conorrd CCll1y v:-i able? llnfor· · t-unr.•·h~Jy, Ml" . Speaker · , in thr:~ I~Oi"lllll 1-.hi'\1: I~JO hr:-\lJ(~ h<:!Y' C:!, i.·l·. 1.!; rJ:jfficuJt to get dEd:.ailed iHISIAJEH'S abou l:. some o·f Lhes1~ OfHH'r"lt"i ons. But looking at. them, Mr. Speaker, A q u a F ·i s h e r ·i. e s L i. rrri.

U! d , f o I" example government recently ex lc-)ndC:H~ this compi:\ny' s guarant. eC:~, no :indication t.hat there 1.uas seVE!rE~ r<::~asons for ll:. And IAJhy are they requiring the extension of ·it: if :i.t just ITIHans oper·ating for another year. Are they ac tual.ly v'i.ab1e oper·at i.ons, or· are !Ale just keeping them going fr·om day t:o day? WE! do not. h<.HJC:' thE! information for that, Ml". Sp<::~aker, r:u1d I do not. sugg~:!sl-. Hldl: t h i s g o v e r n me n t IAJi 11 g i v e i t. . But.

T l::hi.nk i.1-: 'i.~; ·i1npor·l.i'tlll: 1:o I"C~aliz~>. that 1.ue have a provincial dE!bi: of dbou-1: 'Vi wi."l.'l:i.nn, .J.nc1udj ng i:'.h<::~sr:~ gual"ant.E:!es. We p L c I< u p 1: h o c r·\ n -i_ f ·I· h n ~:; n I: h :i. n g !; fall do1.un. A11d I IAJouJ.d l"C:~ally l.i. kf:! in l:hr:!

IAJholn exn;"ci . so i:l lot rnol"(,1 j nforrnat.Jon in t.enns of why ~~JC'! ;:~rc~ do i. ng t-.h is . ~')omo of U·w1n [ c c.ll'l a p p r· o v e of , o t h ~H' s , I t hi n k , 1 ~w I" <~ i s a s (;! r· i o u :; q 1.1 o s I: i. o n 1 o b n askod, gi.V(:HI Uw grr:!dt c:ond ·i. t:.ions we hcld last year, as to whether or not they arc;! 1~1or 1-.h cont.inu ·i ng on lAd t h? T h <-l n I< y o u v e r y m u c h , M r . ~>pealu,~r. SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ar·, hc:~ar·! MR. BLANCHARD : Mr· . Spc:~akE!r . MR. SPEAI<EI~ : Tht> hon. thE! M:in:is tor· of Lc1bour . I 12 8 3 Apr·:i.J /H, l9H8 VoJ XL. SOM F: HOI\J .

MFMRER!3: H~~ar· , hear·! M~ . BlANCHARD : Mr . SpeRknr, boforn J bngin my SE!cond st.at.ernE:!nl:, I L\Jould 1Jk o to oFF C:! I" a p o .i. n t oF c J. ;:·\ 1"-i f J c a I" ·i on more partJcuJ.arly for o ur !;oc"i.al i. :;t hon . lnernbt:!l" for· ~it. John's East (Ml". Long). The service this morning on the g I" o u-n d s o F Co n fed e r· a 1: ·i. o n B u J. 1 d :i n g was organized, I understand, by t h e S t . J o h n ' s a n d D -L s 1.-.r .i c t T r· a d E! s and Labour Council. I want l::o CC\i:E:~gor:ical1y sti'lte t.hi'd.: my off :ice !Alas not contacted, nor the Prl':~mier 1 s office,~.

I under·st.and frorn the rest of my colleagues, nobody hi:-\s l"t,~co .. i.ved any off'ic·ial notification or invitation. ~R. SIMMS: You are wrong, Vlad·i.m i r, again . MR . BLANCHARD : So jusl ·. a po "i. nl: of cJar·i .·Ficat· .-i.on, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. PRFMIER PFCI<FORD : l'l o s u r· t:! o F 1.11 h <'l I" yo 1 1 "'I" e :·; d y .. i n g t: h P nex t time, Mikhail. MR. BLANCHARD : Ml". SpoAknr·, OlJ(:!I" l".hr~ p;:,,st. s~=!lJE!r·al days, I gUE! SS, since LhE! Sunday, () p r· i.

J. ?. fl. , n d ·i U. o n o f T h e S u n d a y Express, l:hn1"n has been considerable attention focused on I" he :i. s s u <~ of h y g i E! n <'' a ·t. 1rri. I'H~ s i. t:r:' s in the ProvincE! . This issuE! tAla s r·a: i. sE~d as l::he l"nsul.t of ;3.11 internal memo in my department IAJr-Ltton by thC:~ Chtef InspE!ctor· of MinE!S to the! Assistant Df:!puty Mtntster responsible for occupational hE!aJ.t.h clnd safe!'l:-.y. Tho rnu rna "i. n d -L c r'l 1: n d con c E:! r· n as to the hygiE!nE! s:i. l:uat:ion at·. cl nurnbE:•I" of 1rd. n i. n g o p ('! r· a 1:. ·i. on s i n 1:: hE' Province.

While the Chief T.nspE'!Ct'.OI" l'fiE:!IIIO No. 25 1n2s3

r('!SpE!C[::""i.ng 1'·.h(:1 hyg .l enn at. var·i .ous uri n:i. ng operat:ion s, it: .is unusual b(~Ci:<~use t:ho rt:!Sponsi.bi.J..ily dnd exp~rlise for hygiene inspections r·E:!st: I.•J:i.l':h t.hE! l·lyg ·i.('!l1(,1 Dtv'.is i.on of the DE:1partment. R e a 11. y , t: h E:1 C h i. E• f M .i rH~ S InspE!Ctor 1 s real titlE! is the Mr:lnager· of M"i.nes Inspe:1ct·oi.on iHld ho is responsible for the physical i. nspect.ions of rrd.nes, not. for any dust or radiation monitoring. He "i. s a rn :i n E:1 s e n g -i. n c,H,1 r .

W E:1 h H lJC;! professional indust.rial hygienists i.n the dep;u•t.rnen 1: 1~1ho arr~ responsible for that. T IA.JouJd J:il<(~ to report to the Hr)IIS(~ l .. hn1 a U101"0119h :.i 11ver. l::i gat :ion has ber,,n mf.ld<o1 i:lS to 11 · 11~ SlibS l: i:lrlCf'! of'" I lv\1: III(!ITIO. (h you 1nay be c~war·e, es ·l .. abJ.i.~;hed 1n-i. n ·i n g o poI" <'ll: .. i. on~; 'i. n I he PI" o lJ j_ ncr~ ~re required to monitor and sample 1:. h <~ 'i. r IMO r· k pl.;:~ r: c~ E! 11lJ J. I" o n m o n I:<,, 1. concl'.i tions .

The r·esul ts of these s;:~mpl.os i:'li''C I"C:!pori:ed l:o l : hr~ Jo :i. n+: Occupational Health and Safety Comnri. t'I:.E!(~s F.1nd cop i ('!S ·foriAJiH'dcH:f t-o the M:in<-?.s InspE!CtoratE! o'f thE! Deparl':ment of Labour. The Inspc,,ctorah•, in conjunct:lon with 1: he h y g i. e n "i. s t a s s i g ned to t he mines, audits the re!sults and has th~~ authori. ty to r·equ·i.lnE1 additional sampling, if it is determined l':o be necessary. ( IJ.Joul.d l.i.I<E1 also to ernphc'\S.i..ze that thE! composition of the joint occupat i.onal.

Hc'!<.'\J.l:h i"'nd Saf(;!J-y Committee is compri~ed of actual rEq:>r'E!SE!nl . al~ives oF l:hn 1~1orkor·s c:~nd (;HJipJ oyc-?.r's. Ther'E:1 -.is E:wery 0 p p 0 r t U l'l"i 1·. y f 0 l" I: h f~ C CHI C ~H' 11 s 0 f either of l':he two groups to be i";:,\l. sod <:1i" comm.i. t. i : f~n rnr'!f'!L.i ng~;. M 'i n u t- ~~ r. of U1 E:1 s E! mE! r,1 t i n g s iH' E~ s 1.1 b rn-i. l: I·· (! d I: o t h r~ 0 c c 1.1 p a 1 i. o n i'l l l .. leaJ l:h and ~~clfet.y D'.'i.vJsi.on of the Doparl:.m1:!n ·i·. of l. ubo,,r ;:•,nd c:ti''H cclrefully mon'itored by staff '.in 1 .. 1.2!3'1. April. 2B, l9BB Vol. XI..

Lhal : O·i. vi.sJon . T hE:! hyg"i.t=!ne s ·i. t:1 .1at::.i.on i"E:~g;:,lrd ·:.i nq thoSE! operations idE!nl.ifiE!d in t:he above r'E!fC,1Y't'!l'lC E~ d rriE!ITIOr·anduln, :is c.~s follow s: In l .. abr·ador· 11\iosl·. f:)dlnpl:ing of dust and gases as necessary throughout. "i.ts operation is conducted jointly by a un:lon and management comrn""i.ttee at Scully MinE!-S and thE:~ Iron Or'E! Company of C a n ;:~ d a .

T h n r e s u J. l: s a r· f'! r· (;! p o r t e d to their respective workplace Saf::!l- .y and 1-lH<.-\ll·:h CrwunJI-.t:E!t'!S i"'!nd to the Mines Inspectorate each month. f'l'l8 I'H:10d t:o pE:!Y'fOr' ITI additional sampling hcls not been i.dr:!nt ·i. Fi.od l:o dr.\l:r:! by E:!"i.ther· pr.ll'· l:. y conce:~r·ned. A t E R C 0 , M I" . S p (,~ a k E! r• : S i:Hll p l. :i n g o f" d Ll S i : , ph 0 S ph 0 i" -j C i:l C ·j d , (' J. lJ 0 I" i.I'H'> , and sulphur dioxide is conducted by r:nmpdny !;a ·fr:!l:y off ·ictaJ.s ;:'1nd the results are reported to the IAJorkpJ.,H: '~ Sc:·lfoty f.Hld Heall:h Committee.

These report:s are lnE:1g1.1lar·ly clllc:lil-.('!d by our· inspE:~ctors. ThE!rE! has bE!E!n no identified need for additional sampling after audit by our "i. n s p e c t: o r· s . At. Bi'l i.C:1 VE!r'h1 Mines Inc. : Dtn:;t levels are sampled by r E:1 p r· e s c.;! n t. a t. 'i. v E:~ s o f b o 1-.: h c o rn p r:·:1 n y and union, and independE!n t fib1nE! sampl."i.ngs are taken by the Occupational Health and Sa-fety o-i.lJis:i .on. Read ·i ngs r."li''O aud-i b=q:l by the joint Health and Safety Colflnd.l :. tef:l .

Again, UH:!rn hcts not been any particular, or out oFf ·Ulf'! ord i.nrH'Y' PI"Obl fHfl "i d~nl+·. -L ·f "i. EH~. In .~·u:l d ·i L i on , a tr··i pdl"·~· i. I:H committc"!O COirii:JI"i~;E: !C~ oF I" Q p I" c~ ~; r,'I'J I: d i · i lJ n ~; Occupdtional Health l)"i 'J ·i. !; ·i on, ccnnp; :·lny ;:•1nd quarterly to deal No. 25 0 f I:: hE• a n d Sa F <;! 1.: y 1.1n .. i.on, IAJ'.i t h IIH:!('! I·· othE=·r· fU2B4-

matters of mutual concern to her:·1ll:h .~tnd s<:tf(~i : y. Our· t"E:1pr·esentat:ion, Mt". Spc,1aker, on t.h<:~l cotmrl'i.l:hH~ 'i.ncludr~s Din. John Martin of Memorial University of Nc.~t,Jfourllfl i'lnd. I unr:ler~;t.r:·1nd thHt ft<c! '.is tJ"a:inE~d j.n indusLt"'ial r' E! l. 1:·1 1·. c~ d d :i. ~; n •:·1 s e ~; i. n p ;:q r' ·I: i c u 1. Hi" . Th(~ fouJ"th meE:!I::irtg of l~hat. l:r' i.pari:·i tP connr6t:h:!O t~JC.1~> hnl d on ?4 February during which no spec1fic concerns w11:h satrlpl i.ng tkJeJ"e i dE:1nti f:i.(~d.

At Hope Br·ook M:j m~s: An ex tens:ive bc1sc.~--l.i . ne survoy of C"!nv·i romnentRl contarn:i. natc~1s tAJas conducted at this de:welopi.ng oper·at"i.on dur·"i.ng l~.hr;! Fall of 1987. A portion of thE! samples were such th~t they had to be artalyZE!d at laboratory facil.ltles outsidE! the Prov·Lnce which hc-::tS rc,~sul'l:E!d in delays in reportlng the results of the study. At St. l.a1.urencE:1 Fl.uor·spar Li rni ted: Due to very serious health haz~u·ds 'i.n t·.hE! pr'C"!v·i.ous operation of this mine, our 0 c C U p i't t: 'i. 0 n i'l l.

H 1'-Hq l. t: h i.Hl d S i.-1 f (,1 1·: y DJvision has given more than nor·mal r•tt.·I·.E!nL'i.on l·o i:h·is opE:1r'ati on. This operation rc;!qu·i . t"n~; r.losr,~ radon tnoni .hH'i.ng 1-o 'insure,~ thc-lt Vl':!ntilat".ion is C1dequatc.:! Lo rnc,~el·. HH'! l"Cc1qu·ir'f'!lflr~n'i'·~; of the~ M:inc~~; (Safpty of Workmen) I~ r:! g ttl a i: i. on~; Since the mtno reopenod in F'ebruar·y oF 1988, St. l.awr·enCE!

Fluot"sp.:~r l.i.tn-L+·r;!d mordt:ors Y'c'tdon 1 E! v (,~ J s at each wo r·l< p 1 ace :in t h c:! u n d E:1 t' g r o t.t n d basts. or requos l·.ed. m i.nes morE! on a I~JOE!kl.y frequently Jf As r·econt as l;:~s · ~ we<~k, Mr. Speaker, hygienists frorn lhE! D e:1 p a r t rn c;! n t o f L. a b o u r tm:! 1'' E:~ i. n S t. . Lat. .. tr'E!nce l::o conduct:. r·ad'ial~.ton and V('!l'lt"i.lat.·i .on III~'!dSUI"('!IIl(c1nts. 1. J. 2B S Apr· .D 2B, 19!lll Vol XI . I i: is irnpor·tant to notE!. Mr' . . Spr~•'tkOi", thi'i t: pr·:i .or· l:o las l tAJ<;!C'!k staff tAlE! r· e in S l·:. .

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h) lj. r>ocotnbor' 1.9B7, 9 Febtnuar·y l:o 15 Fd>r'uar'y 1988, and / i:\1'1 d 1 M <'I i" c h 1 9 IHl . Thn DP.pi'll"l'.ltit:!ni · oF I i'lbot.tt" hc1s engaged the Canada Centre of M"i.nor-al.!; r:-1nd Fnnr·gy Technoloqy, known as CANMET, of the federal 0(!f>i'llni':Jnr'!J')'i: o-f F.nE:H'gy, MJnrc'S dnd Resaurces to conduct a cornprc:!hr:!l'lS i UP. ~; · l".Ur.ilj oF I'". hr.;! E!Xt'.E!I'lt:. of radon contaminates in the tnirw:;, IAJhich tAd.ll. -Lnclude ventilation, ground water and rni.ning activ'i.ti.es.

The study 1Ali'1 s conducted in co-.. operation with the Depal"trrtE!nt of l. abour s l:r:'tff by ;;1 sc;!n .. Lor research scientist from CANMET, plus two C~NMET technologists. The study was undertaken in two ph~ses of one-week duration and the CANMET r·e port lAti 11 be duE~ in Me1y of 19B8, Mr.

Speaker. ~i: Net.ltfoundl.and z -inc M:Lncc~s: Th -is o p ~~ r a t i o rt , :i n c o .... o p o r' a t. :i o n tAri l:. h profc:!~;~; .. ional st:dFF of Otlr' Occupational Health and Safety D·i vi~; ion rnon.J.hws cj-j (~S~'l exhaus 1: errl'ission frorn undE:H'ground uEdd cl.c;!s ;~1nd Hli'tinta ·in!; rr,~cor'd~; 1" hi:·1t dl"e audj 't.l'!d by mines inspt'!Ctor·s dut".in~J i. n s p C'! c 1·i on u ·i. ~' ·i t ~; . fl v f '~ n t J.l dl". ·i. on survey 'is aJ.so planned for this operat'i.on. Tn st.Jtfltni'li"Y, Mr. ~1poi.'ikPr', aFt~.::!

I" a careful review of the situation in edch ol=- ~:he s1x rn"i.nE!S 11.1hi.ch Mr. Bradbury highlighted in his lti(:!ITIOr'andum, T ;:,,m sNtisfi~H~ Lhc-:tl':. there is no cause for concern over lack of mon"i.tori.ng or any other safE!ty hazclrds in these rnin~'!S. I IAI o u J d l. · i. k H ., .. o (;! rn p h a s .i. z <~ t. h a l~. l:: h r:! ro1E! thE! Departrnont:. of' L.abouJ" t a k C'! s -; n r· E! l. a ·1~ ·i. o n I" o rn .:i. n (' conditions is Lo ensure that No. /.S rn2as

IAIOY'ker·:. in thE:~ mj nes are not Sllbj OC l·ed i:O r~duor'SO concl:i [:tons 1"(:1~;pE'lC[:.ing IAIOrkpJ.acEl hE~clli:.h and s c:~ F I'! 1". IJ . T i'l m s "' I" .i. :; F .i (.'! d ' MIn ' Speaker, that the role of the DE:1pi:~rt. rn('!l1t of Labour· h<'l S I:HH~n adequately performed. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HeRr, hear! MR. K. AYLWARD: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The han. the for Stephenville . SOME liON. MEMBERS: Hoi.-lr, h(:1Rr! MR. DTNN: Al"~:1 yotJ going to r·un fecJE,r·aJ.Jy 1 I< e v 'i. n 1 o r' IAI h n I ? Ml~. K. AYU\I()RD: Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! AN HON.

MEMBER: Th<:!y iH'e nol~ going to let. h'i.tn r11n. MR. K. AYLWARD: Protect me, Mr. Speaker. I arn a v a l u et b 1 <:' r e s o u Y' c e , M r . S p E:' a k E:~ r , and I intend to make sure that the hon. Premter and h i.s governwent ar·e d:ismantlE:~d in as short a time as possible. I will be doing that, Mr. Speaker, for my young and prolonged career in polttics. SOME HON. MEMBERS: H<.;!ar, hear! MR. K. AYLWARD : NolA!, 1-o the st<'.lb~rn<:Hl · t· . l.l/.B6 Apr·n . 28, 1.98B Vol XI. MR. I<. AYLWARD: M r' . S p C! i'l k r:, r , i.

F 1J o 1 1 c o u 1 d p r' o t: c;! c t: JllE! ri"OITI l:.h:is hal"aSSITIE'!I'lL [·.hat:. I arn l" e c t'! .i. IJ i n g . Th0. rn:i.n ·i. s tE! r com<~ s -L n hE! J"f::' tod i'\Y and hE! gives us a vory n:i. cE• str:,,-t-_eiJJ(:~n-1-. i)Jh'i.ch s~;!E'!ITJS l::o "i.nd:ic;~t.:E! that everything is fine and dandy, h u n k y - d o r y , t h e r' <:! J s n cd:. a p r o b J. EHTJ around in the mines of t:his Provincc:1. H<:1 S<'liJS h<H'E! 1 thE! role of ~.J'is dE!partrne,nt is to takE! into accoJ.JJ1t i:.he mi. nc:1 cond:i.t.:i.ons and ensure that thE! u.Jorkers in rn:i.nE!S iH' <:1 1'1 0 t.

S U b j C:~ C 1:: (,~ d 1-. 0 a d V E! Y' S E! conditions respecting workplace hc~Rli':h cHld sctfety. 1 H(:1 goes on t:o say, 11 I arn satisfied that thE! role o F t. h (~ d c~ p r.n· t: 111 F.! n t lv1 ~; b <'len adE:1quatE!ly per·foi"ITIE!d. 11 let 1T1 El t ('! 11 1:. h El 1TI :i 1'1 ::i. ~; t E! Y' d n d h i s 90lii;!J''rltfl0.1'11: i'.hi'\1· )))(! dinf:l no!': sdt:'.i sfj c:1d on l.:h:is sidE'' l:hat I:. hosE'! r: on c: r,~ r' n s h c~ IJ r~ b u e n n d d I" o ~; s C'! d , ;:;t n d I.Ue IAJould likE• fo1n thi.s govenHn(otnt.: i'.o i'al<n t:hosr~ conc(~rns !lEH'iou!;l.y.

The rnin:istE!ln :in thE! f'ii"St. pal"t·. of hi.s sl'.r"l:ornuni ". Si'lys, 1 1·.hE:• I'TI(:•rno indicating concern as to the hygiE!l1f:l s-Ll-ua-t::i .on dt: a J'lltlnbE!r' of mining operations ar·ound thE' Prov-Lnce was donrn by the Chief Inspe!ctor of Mines, but hE! is not r' e a 1. l. y . r' E~ s p on s .i. b J. e for' t hE:~ h 1J g :i. C'l n e in the mines. 1 No, he is only the Chief Inspector o f t. h e M i. n e s . T h i'l l- i s a 11. h c;! i s • Mr. SpE!aker. That is not much of '" l.: i. I" l. c;! , 1:1 s a 111 A t: 1.·. E! r· o f fa c t. .

W h y IA!ould he express in an internal JrH~Jtlo c:ompl.oi-'.('! conr:<:H'n Hbou 1·: 1.1.Jha 1: :is going on i.n various opc:'r'al:.'.i.ons in thls Proutncrn? I th:ink i.t Jlkl U n r· . l ljOVC'!l"nlnent -· MR. BLANCHARD: is a very ser'.i.ous l:h ·i nk i·h ... tt ·l".h.i.s RJ2B6

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR . SPI:AI<Fr~: Or·der · , ple:H·,S'-':1! A poj_nt of order·, the hon . thE! M i. n i. s 1··. e r· o r I a b o 1.1 r' . MR. BLANCHAlW: Mr. Spc->.ai<E:H', the->. hon. the rnernber• for ~-)h~phAI'HJi.ll.e (Mr . K. AyliAJiH'

d) j s rnj s:i.ntc->.rpret:ing my s h:~ternE!I'It. Mr. Spc~ker, T said T w~s sat :i sfted that th0.rc->. is no concern necessary over a lack oF rnon :i tor·j ng fr"orn nronth to n1onth. HE:1 diAH~l.l.s on l:he l ·.i.t.lt~ or l:hr. person IAJhorrr J spoi<E:1 of, 1.uho wrotE! l:he mt:1111o. Thf~ i":i. l:l c~ of 1:ha l': pE!I"Son in r·c~ality, as you 1..1Jill SE!E! i. n l: h e f:! s U . 111 a 1-: e s I M r· . ~) p c;! d k e r· , i s Managc;!r of Mines InspE!Ction S e r· v i c e s . F o r· t h C'! h o n . rn (;! m b e r' 1 s purpose, there is a comparable t1t1e ln hygiene. He is misinter·prE!ting it, Mr.

Speaker, he ls responsible for the nronit.or·:in~~ l:he mines, not for -L nspE~ct'i.on. SOMF liON. MEMB Ff~S: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: Or·der, pl.c:1r''SI:1! T h e r· r~ -j ~; n o p o i. n i-. o f o r d <H' . T h e r e ois CJ. differc->.nce of opin:ion betr.~.1een 1:1~10 ho l'l. g (~ 1'1 1: J. (,1Hlr.HI. .MR .. _.!<_. _ _ AYI .. liiiAfW: Ju:.t l.o cont:i ntH~. Min.

SpE:'akel", it s a y s ~H'! r e , 11 W h -i. 1 0. t: h n C h J wF T n S p e C t 0 I" h a S IAIY' J t 1::E:HI a m E!ITI 0 r· e s p e c t. ·i ng 1·. h c h y g i f:! n r:! i.'1 I: tJ '" r· .. i. o u ~; m:i.rd.ng operat:ions, -.it. is unusual beci.'luse the responsibl1ity And expertise for hygiene inspections Y' (! S 1:. S IM' i. 1-: h f: h C:~ H y 9 .i. c:! n ~~ 0 i. V i. ~; i. 0 n 0 f thc,1 D~~partrnE!nt .. 11 This is h-.i.s ov.m IAJO r··d s qLw s t Lord ng h'i. s oum officJals of his department.

L1.287 April 28 1 1988 Vol XL HE! comE!S in hE!rE! thE!n a.ncl E!Xpects us l·:o bo l. .:i.r:! v o, IAI'i t-:.hou t any out:. sidE! -.investigation or inquiries, that everything is okay. Mr·. SpE!akE!In I it "is not good nnough . !Ale r~IOLild l. · ikr-~ l:o SE!Ic' an J n q u i I" y i n l:. o t h E! ITI a t t e In t. o c h E! c k ·jJ-. OIJ1: c;o i:hr:-li·· thE! PE!Opl.r-~ ~rnd t:he public of LhE! Plnovii 'ICE! iH'E! fully ,:~IAJdrn of i:hn concr;!l"ns, ~~r·. Speaker', of thE:1 m:ir'lE:~In~; and of o tJ 0. r' y b o d y o 1. s n · i n l: h i. s P I" o tJ -L n c C'! . flOMf. 1-101\1. MEMflF.RS : HE:1ar·, hear·! MR.

I<. IWI .. WARD : It is not good Cc'nough. Not only t:h<.~t. fJJr. SpPi:,k(H' 1 IAI""i.l:: h l"(d:-('!t'E!ncr:.! to further stud-.ies they have done, he s;:-,ys, 1 l·.: hE! Fedc:•r·al Dc;!pc.tl"+·.lnE•nt: of EnE!rgy, Mines and RE!SOUI"CE!S l:o conduct a comprehensive study of radon contamination in the rni.nes. 1 He also gc)(,~S on to Sc"fl.'J that thE! study 1.uas undE!ri:.aken in tuJo phases and l·:hE! r•eport i. s due~ in May of 1.988. Mr. SpE!akE!r, I wondE!r tAJhen l~IP i:H' E! going 1-.o SHf'!

Lhc,~ r·~=!por··t:. ll\le ha~JE! had many past: rE!ports 1..11h:.Lc h haVE! been prAsentAd ~o the hon. the minister wh"ich we have not seen for· rno n {: h s and rno n I. h s and rno n t.: h s . So I do not know when we are going i··.o gr~ · i· ~:hi'"11- l"::!p01n1·. , Min. ::)pr;!,,lkHr'. Th0. IAii.~Y ·l:hr~y opP.ri:-l l:n OlJfH' l:hE'!r'n, 1.ue are probably going to haVE! l:.o go i:h1"0119h Th0 fint·:OI'!dorn of Information Act. It will probably cost 11s $rioO to gor. l··. ho "i. nFo ~tnd it 1..11ill probably t:.ai<E! us a yc;!iH' '''nd a hr:~lf. Mr·. :-)pE~akEH', '"'IE!

IAJant. an "investigation into thJs matLer and we are not f inls hed with Lt yet . Thank you 1 Mtn . Sp~:! aker. No. 21J 1~1287

MR. SPFAKER : The hon . the rn<.~mbE:H' for· St. John's Eas I~. MR. LONG: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. SpeakE:H' T 1~1oul.d have lo say to the minister's statement- PREMTER PECKFORD: (Inaudible) left winger. MR. LONG: T d o n o t I< n o IAI t f L h ~:! P r e rn :i e r :i s go i.ng ·l.o kr;!Ofl i.nter·n1p 1: ing, (,1,:; hf~ hfls be~~n. J do not knotAI IAihat l<:ind of IIIOOd ho " i.~; ·i.n i·.odt.·lY.

Wi.l:h h·i ~; point;. of or·der c;~nd in · r.E:~rruptionr., J IAI<:l S 9 0 j 1'1 9 1: 0 1: 0 'l l h ·j In 1: 0 9 () f l lj i'.l ld t·e I but he s houJ d go fly cl h n l ·i c o p 1: r~ i'' , b ·~ s n d o n I· h r~ r· C! p o r· ·I: s t~lf!. al"f~ hc,~c-..~r·Jng fi"Ont t.he rn(H:lia, i.f ho ·is nol·. ai:)OttL l· o sii·. i:Hld d ' ' llot~l 'I" h (~ p '"' o p J ('! '1: h e c o IH' h~ s y to s p e r.J k "i.n Ult:! l·lou~;n. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Ohl oh! MR. SPEAKER: Ordc-?.r, please! MR. FENWICK: Do not r·i.le them I do not r i1e t.hc,~m . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: OrdE:~r , . pl.(H:lSE!! MR. I.ONG: M 1" .

S p E:~ a k fH' , T IAI o u J d 1: o r· E! ~=; p o n d s p r~ ci f ·i c i:·ll l y I: o I. h r~ i- ·i 1" s t: p o i n i· o F thE! rn:in:i!;tc,H·'s ~;taternent concnr'l'l"i ng l:hn c:r,~r·r,w1ony 1~1h i.r:h '~kl!> I. J 28 8 Apr:i] 2H, l9HB VoJ XI l·lr:!l cl i·oday. T IAIOt.tl d '' i.mply !>dY i·:o ti'H'! mJni.stc.:!r aga: ·in lha+·.

I IAIClS told b lj 0 r F . i ci. i:\ l !; I.\ I h () 0 I" g a rl'i 7. (;! d I . h H BV(:1nt. that. t.'-n invi.tat:ion had br::!en nxi':nndnd. i\lobocly 1"HCt'!·i uc~d an invitation in !':hE! 111ai1, but: t:hJ.!; 1 n i n i s l .. f'' i" r:-1 n r:l 1·. h e g o v o r· n m f'! n +:. published in The Newfoundland Gazette last: t~JE:'ok i'l procl.atnat.:i.on of thl':~ day. I also assumE! thal the minister, working in the btJi ldi ng, would have s E! E! n ti'IE! g'i.cad:: s"i.ze posh-?.r cornlllE!rnor·atoing the day. The hon. member is the Minister of l..abour!

The,~ M'i.n-Lstor of Labour, representing the government, should not rlf:!(o!d an i.nvi.t;'ll:::i.on rleliuored to his door - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: Or·c:lr,H' I pl.r:~aSE!! Ml~. LONG: to att:E:Hld tho cc·H'ernony. So 1n ·i. ni. s hH· p I"O h =! s l ~; l:oo rnu chI Spc,~ai<E!r. HE! should hav(:! 1· h(,H'O. Th(H'(! ·j_ s 1'10 (~X r: II s ('!. the M1". br,' r::! n To the statement at hc1.nd, Mt".

Sp(,~al«'!r. :r Hdnk .it ·is a sad irony on a day that: has been c,~arl. ·Lor· r:olllrneHtor·r:~ h~d as a day of mourning for sickness, death and :i. n j u r y o n t. h e j o b s J t E! , t h a 1: 1.: h e Minister of Labour cornE!S, tn response to a very interesting development that occurred in his d t~ par· t. rn E', n 1...

L n '"' h l c h 1: h c,1 c h t (;, f Inspector of MinE!S camE! out, and I guess through some invosttgative rE:1porting by the Sunday nE!I..\IspapE!r', 1~1r:~ :; IAI'i.ll. :-i n (~ 1'.: o r. a l. k pub 1 t c l. y 1:~ bout:. comrnE!nts that t:he :inspr:~ct:.or' IAiiHll~.ed I· o 1 n 1:·\ k o c o n c ('! r' n .in 9 h y g 'i. o n l'! , IAI h j_ c h i s o b u '.i o u s 1 y , a s t h E• 111 :1. n J . s t. r::• r sa·i d, not: lri !; rn· ·i.lrli:-li"Y conr:el"n. But, the Chif~f InspE!Ctor of M:inE!S Fr)li·. Lhi'\1: hn :;ho11-ld p<:1ss C01TIIIH'!I'lt No. 25 R12B8

tn publ.ic about the cond:it"i.ons at six mine sites in the Province. Th(:~ rn:i.ni.stt '! r' comc;!s in with t:h"i.s staternE!I'lt i.n v.Jhich hE! goE!S U1rough c·ll.l. si.x, and l h<·ll.JO 'look(~d c~refully at what the minister has placr· =!d -i.n 'front of us, Etnd he hi:·lS :in no certain t~:~rms addressed any oF t: h (~ con c c,~ r· n s 1·. h 1:~ i··. h <.·1 lJ f~ b f~ f~ n brought forward. In f~ct, every s ·ingl.e stt.0. t·. hi'\1: l:ho ndni. s~:r:!r Mddr·c,~ssc,H:I todf..tY conf:irrns the concerns of l:ho Chief Inspec~or.

H e b 0 g :L n s b y 1: a 1. k i. n 9 <:1 b c)lll I. abrc-H:Jor Wc,~ct Clnd says that ther·e "i.s no l'lC:!Od For' adrli.l·.i.onc.d sa1npl.'i.ng 1~1hen we know that the posiUon of ·inspocl:or lhC:!Ine hds boon lJHr:ani".. H E.~ t a 1 k c r..t b o u t E' R C 0 , n o n E! E!CI f o r add L l: " i.on,~l. s;:'llllpl. i ng . i'.lbout F.la. :i.E:~ VE!r'te and having been addressed. MR. SPEAKER: Or·der, please! lin 1-:al.ks COI1CE!rns not The hon. trH~illbE:~r 1 s t i.rrH>. has E!lapSE!d . MR. LONG: -----If I may conclude, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON. MEMBERS: No, no! MR. LONG : Jusl: R ~~JCH'd on Sl':. l..diAJt'fHJce, M;".

Th(~ lfl"i n is l:er· M R . !3 P F: A I< F R : ·o l" de r' I p 1 e a s o ! 0 r' de r , p 1 e cl s e ! Tho hon . clc-.1psod. Ml~. LONG : He Si'li. d nol"h -Lng c:~b nul'. St . LCIIAJr'(;!rlCe, Mr' . ~3pE!ak(:1r . MR. SPEAKER: 1..1289 Apr'il 28, 1988 Vol XL. BeforE! callJ.ng O!naJ. Ques U .ons, l IAJ()Ijl.d J.i.k~:! +:.0 IAJf:!J.COI'TlC'! l.:O the:! galleries six grade ten students a c c o 1 n p d n i. o d b y t. h o -L r' +: c;! a c h c;! , ... s , Corinne Collins and Elizabeth Wi.HT, from l..ong Island Ar: adEWIY, Beaumont, Green Bay. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HoRr, hE!c"'r'! Oral Questions MR. Sl:MMONS: Ml" . Speaker.

MR. SPEAI<ER: Tho hon . Lhr,~ Hermitage. MR. SIMMONS: F o r' F o r· t: u n o - Mr . SfH:~ akc;!r', lhe Cha:i.r'tnr:tn of thP Canadian HeJ.icopter Corporation is Cjl.IO~'E!d by t.:he netti.onal piness loday MR. PATTERSON: A p o i. n 1': of o t' d ~H' , M r' . S p ~=! r.~ k f:! r . MR. SPEAKER: OrdE!t', pl.edsc"~! A point of or·d~u· I the hon. rnE~rnbei" for ... MR. SIMMONS: Tho n a 1·. i on d 1 p r· r~ ~; s CiliOi ': ('!d thE! Chairman of the - MR. SPE'AKfR: Or·dnr', plHi:tso! I must rnakl':~ a cornrnl':Hlt. I arn su re;!

"L l· IAJi.~ s don~~ ·i. n c:t due r· t c,~ n t: 1 y , b u 1':. ·i l: is an abuse oF prJ.uileges for s o 111 e b o cl y t: o c c:1 ll. F o r· a p o i n 1:. of or'dE!r v.Jhi]E:~ not in hi s sE•a+: . I IAJ 0 I .I l d j 1.1 S 1:. l. "i. k (;! ·I: (I d r' nt.~J d t: ~ · E:• 11 t: ·j 011 to that 1nattE :! r'. No. 2 5 rn289

T l·w ho n . I· h n lfiOinl:l C'! I" MR. PArn:J~SON: ··A-J; o ·fnt-().f~)r d l':! I" , M r' . S p f:' C1 k E! I" • Mr~. ;:;PFAI<FI~: A p o-i n I: o f o 1~ d C'! r· , I· h r,~ h o n . niE!rnbel" for· PJ dCE!I'lt:i.a. Ml~. PATTFRSOI\l : T unders t.and that t:hE:~ '- i.bE:~rr.1l Par· l:y on John Turner·, phone:~d the Opposition in today - MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. PATTERSON: the leader of t.:he ma"i.nl.and, the Leader of NetJJf ou nd land - and he was wondering - MR. ~3PEAKER: Or·der~ p1.easc,~! Ml~. PATTEI~SON: :if 01ny of-hJs e~ssa~;s:ins wcH'e on l::ho lfli'1 i.nl.r:-1nd OlJf:!r' l:hn IAIC'!r~kC'!nd? M I~ .

S P FA I< F: ~~ : ThEH'e ir. no po:i n'l' of OI"ChH'. ·1hc,1 hort. the ITI(:!mi:H,H' fo1" Fol"tune ­ H E:~ I" Ill i. '1-. i'l g t'! . MR. STJI-1MOJ\JS: Mr·. ~)pec-ikt~r, t·he Chair·man of l:he C a n i?l d 'i. a n 1-1 o T i. r: o p 1-. r,~ r· Co r' p o r El I~ i. o n ·i s quoted in t.he national press today as sayi.ng that the Pr·erni.er and he had made a deal, and indeed, today 1 s Ottawa Citizen quotes Mr. Dobbin as saying 1 The facts iH'e t•JC"~ made a d(~i'\1 Lhai·: hE! t~Jas going to resign his position on the 23rd of NovE~mber ...

H(~ Si?l i.d there would be a leadership conVE:Hlt Lon ·i.n rni.d·-Janu;u·y and he '"1ouJd r~~port on Febr·uar·y 1, 1988 t.o hc,~<.·1d up rny ~~~:!fPncc,~ subsid.:i.dr'y. 1 Ml". Spc;!al<er', T say to Uw Pl"E.~rrd.EH' l::he~t: Mr·. Dobbin hr:-1s I 1.?.90 ApdJ .?.8, 1988 VoJ XL. r"'R. SPF.JlKEI<: Ol"der, plt~a~H~! The ~1on. ln('!rrtbE!I" :i~; bE='ginnJng l·:o llli'~kl':! a '>pr~Pch. lie hi:'!~> I"C::!dd ;:;, stat. E:~ rn en i:. '"I hi c h pf:!rlft i i": i·nd :l s n o t: o r· d ·J n i'l r' 'i 1 y MR. SIMMONS : Mr·. Sp0akor, i'IS t IAJdS say"i.ng, Dobbin had made the statement - Mr' . MR. ·sPEAKER: Order, please!

The han. mE,rnber star·ted I as I undE!rS l:and 1 by r·c,~ad · i.ng a statement, which is not normally accepted i n Question Period. I called thE! membE!r l:o ordE!I" but: hE• d"i.d nol- 1:1sk hi.s question. I IAI01.1ld ask him now to please ask his CJLI(~st·ion. The hon. l:hc• rn~:!lrlbE: !r' for' Fortune- Hermitage. MR. STMMONS : Mr·. Speaker, I ask t.hE! PrE!rnj.E:or', g i l.Jen thel'l : M;". Dobb i.n Tlli:'lde J::i·H:! statc-:1rnent I ju~;t. quo"LE!d afL('!Y' hf'' h"' d h ~~ ''1 r· d i'l ·i·: d p

f) d de n ·i d 1 1;1 h i c h I h H Pl"eru:l.E!r had mad(-:1, thc,H'E!fOI"E :!, w:i1.1 he nr:ll•l ·i .. o 'll l hf'! l·ln11sr;! IAih i ch VE:~rsion r't~fl.ects t.l.Jhcll: actuaJ.J.y h <'I p p (~ n e d , 1~1 h a I: M r . n o b b :i. n s a y s o r' what the Premier has said public1.y? MR. SPEAKER : T h e h o n . t-. h t~ P r· (;! rn ·i. e r . PREMTER PECKFORD: It is quite obvious, Mr·. l::hat ·i.t 'i.s my UE~r~don . simple as that. MR. SIMMONS: Mr. SpHakC'!r. MR. SPEAKER: SpE!akE!r, II:: -i.s as ThE! han. the mE!rnbE!Y' For' Fort.unE! - He'! r'ln:i.l"<.·1g e . MR. SIMMONS : n y lAid y o ·r Mr· . No . 2 S Rl290

S p o a I< e r , I ;~ s I< t h <~ P r· e tni. E! r· : 0 o o s ht;~ not. rr:~ali:ZE! or dOE!S not car(:! 1:: h a t o n e of h -L s v c;! I" y q o o d f r· i. o n d s , 1~1horn he has tAiirwd and d:ined wJth, had h:i.s ju -LcE! 1.1Ji. l::h, a man I.•.Jho nc,~at"ly became l:he PtnE!rn:i.er 1 s C'!rnpl.oyer by Lhe Prt:~lfl:i.€H' 1 s OIJ.Jn adndssion, has sclid pubJ.icJ.y that. U·H~ P r· (Wt.i E! r d o <:~ s n o t. d c~ "' l. L n t. h r:~ facts? lie has ess<~ntially brandE!d the Premier, in the lRst ttJJE:Htt Y·· ·f our hours, as a liar. Is thE! Pr·otwi or no 1: concer'I'H~d about that? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR.

SPFrti<~:R : 0 I" d e I" , p J E'!i:l. s ('! ! Ml{. S fMMONS: - . - T a s I< ·HH~ P 1" c,md e 1" , M r· . S p to~ <:1 k t:H' : Hi'1S h(~ Li'll.knd · i".o Mr. Dobb"i n s Lncr~ l:h:is jssuc.;! bt:'came public? Has he l.r- -LHd to s l:.r'c1 Lghb~n Mr. Dobb -in 0111~. on what the facts of the case a1"E!? Hot~J cf.ln th<'! l:IAJO VE:~rsions be so divergent, I ask the Prornier? MR. SPEAKER: f h (;! h 0 n . l: h E! P r• EHrl i. (:' I" . PREMIER PECKFORD: The h o n . rn c~ rn be r 1AJ.i.l l. h i.'l u E! to <.·1 ~; k Mr. Dobbin, nurnbE!r one. Let us get the rEH:or·d str·a ·i.ght.

T know The Toronto Star is up in the g i:l l. l. c:H' y 1 i. s t e n i. n g 1- o a l. l. o f t. h i. s with great interest, and The Sunday Express, 1-:o rrti'tkt:! SIIY'P. Hl(,1Y gt:d·. a story 1.o go on for· the next fc~IA) dt.-l.y S. Mr· . C1"i'l·ig Dobb'i.n l~li:-1~> nol : , ts no!-, ~ frJend of rnJne. His brother, Mr. Br.1zil Dobbi.n, l'li'l'> I:)P.!Hl i:'l Ft":i <:Htd of m:i 11e for· a numb(:H' of y o d r-· s , b 11 I: C r· H ·i g Do b b i. n 1·1 d s no i: b r~ r=• n a f r· i E:~ n d of rrri n c,' . H r~ :i. s n o t i'l F r· 'i. end oF n,-i n n , c\ n d n e IJ t:! 1" h ;:·1 ~; bE!PI'I.

Thos<:1 i:lr'E! thE! facts. Thcd:. is i~1 fr:1cl:. HE! hr·1S not·. b(~E:!I'l. l Ll291 Apr:il 28, 1988 Vol XL l<no!AJ )(ly fr··iends . is no ·J- a friE!nd of minE!. M1". Dobbin offE!rEH~ TTlE! a job and I t:ur·nr=!d ·it: do1.~o.~n. It I•Jas just. as sirnple as that. He is not the o n 1. y o n c;! '~' h o h ;:·1 s o f f P r' E' d rn E'! a j o b , which I havE! t: u l"rlE! d d OIAirl . I i.nd:i . c:r.-lt.c;!d l:o Mr·. Dobb'i.n, c\S I ha~JE! t.:old thE! p1"ess OVE!r and over· agr:·1·i.n, t.hi.-1.1-: i.

F T IAIE'!Y'C,1 i.nt·.er·r:!St:C'!cl in thE! offer I would gE•t back l:o lritll,· T IAJOitld go!-: a laL•IYC:H' and negotir.lte a contract., and b:!l1 rny c: t.HI c: u s i'l n d l:r,~ 1. ., rn y p <:H' 1-. y i'Hl d a 1. l the rE:1st of it. I told them all oi' !-.hal T C:r:\l'lnoi' hnlp 'i.l: ·i.f Mr. Dobbin wants to go out and i nUn· f>r' 0. I· c111 r· If!(~ wt-. ·i ng , I~Jh f'!l'l he rnadE! thE:~ offer· t.o rrt(~, dJ.ffr,1r'E:!I'll:.Jy l·.:hi:\n f do. T cdnnoi· hnl p thd , .. _. As Shal<espE!i'llnE~ said, "But: rnon rndy c: o n ~; t r· 1 1 e l.. h 'i n g s <.·1 F l·· e r 1: h P i.

I" fashion,/Clean from the purpose of t:hP. ·l·:h"i.ngs t.hc'!IIISI~l.I)PS." HE:' a1so said, as the ITJE!rnbE!r For· For·tune ·-· i·lc!r·nri.tag(:! kno1.•1s, ·in Jul i.us C<,~asar, "Into what dangE~rs IAJOuld you J.e<:H~ 1110, C<.·1ss-Lus,/That. you IAIOuJd haV(' rne seEd< into mysE!}f/For· t.:hat IAI~dch "i. s not in m<,~?" SOME HON. MEMBERS: i-Te,u·, hE!ar! MR. SIMMONS: Mr·. SpE:~aker. MR. SPEAKER: A f'i.nal. suppl.~=!mE!ntar·y . MR. STMMONS: Shakespeare said Spni:-li<Or', 'I~> !-.hi~; d s <'!t:~ br~for·e !TIE!? 1 SOME HON. MfMRERS: 1·1!:! i:H' , hoi:~ r ! MR. STJI-1MONS: Mr·.

Speak<,~r. tho I:Oddy dl'ld hr~ sH·id No. 25 a18o, Ml''. d .:1 q g C! r· 1~1 hi. c h :r. P r· E•rn'i e r· f o r'Hlt'! r· l y sa:id i:'.ha 1-:. r·U29l

there was an off e r . SOME liON. Mf.MB F f~S: Oh I ()II! illlR. ~~PLAI<FR : 0 r· d f'! r· ~ p l n ,:~ s t~ ! Mf~. SIMMONS: N01.1.1 l~rlJl hE'! t:. E:~]J U1e Housco~ how Far· t: h "i S 0 f f ('! r lAid! ; p II r• S 1.1(~ cJ? SOME HON. MFMOFR3 : Ohl oh! MR. ~HMMONS: The Premier ls having difficulty hearing . MR. SPEAKER: Or·dcoH' I please! ~R. SIMMONS: How far· 1.~1ets i::h.is offc,~r· pur·su<:!d? Was there this final celebratory IIJ(;~eti.ngl 1.~1~l"i.ch Mr. Dobtdn l::cll.k<'!d about in The Ottawa Citizen today I 1·:. hi'l t h o ;:'IJ"Jd 1.: h r,~ P r·(,~Jil"i r:• r h1:1d in 1.dtc-?. October·?

How far I.4Jas thE! offr'!r pllr'SIIt ~ d? lll!nr· r,~ i:hor'f' ! a nurnbe1" of rllc·H:!t:i ngs about it? Cc:n1 Uw Pr·r~m-ior· g ·itiO II! > SOIIH ~ i n d j c a t· :i o r1 at 1.0 hat. st. a g c-?. :i t. l" (~ i~ C h (! ci b 0 (" 0 Y' 0 h 0 1·.11 r 1'1 f~ d d l)IAJrl 1: i'J 0. offnr· t.o l~IOI"k tAd t.h Ml". Dobl:ri n' s co 1n fH~ n y? SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKfR: Thr-?. hon . the Pr·orn i.c,~r . PREMIER PECKFORD: It is none of the han. member's b u s t n c,1 s s . To s 1: i'lr' t 1.1.1 i. t h I ·i. t i. s none of the han. member's business. SOME 1-JON.:._I'::'lEMBERS: H C-:'! c:~ r· , h (,1 c'l r· !

PREMfER PECKFORD: I knot,u thE• hon . rTJ(!TribE!r IAiell~ t:. hE:~ 1.1./.9/. Apr··il /.!!, 191!!! Vol. XI. ho n. i: he llltcHnbr~ r For F or·tu ne Hermitage. He is a very co rnp n 1·: C:! n i-. , lAIC:! I. 1. .... C'! d u c r:-1 t: e d NE!IAJfouncJJandc"'r, hi'ls sE·r·ved :in l:.hE~ llou ~; n oF Co1nrno 1'1 !; IM-L I· h di s 1- inc i . ·ion and SE!r·vecl 'in the"~ Cabin E!t: oF C Fl nr.~ rl d ~~r. i. I h d i !;i : ·i n c l'. i on I i'II'H:I I a ITl surE!, Ml" . Specll<<:!l", that LhE! hon .

Jrlr~llli: H~r' h;:~ s job ofFer ' S r' !lJOI ~ y d;;'Y~ g j v E:HI his corn p e tEHJ c e and h j s d ·i.si:·i.ngii ·Lshf =!d c:dr·r;!Ol". And T i:~m not going to ask the hon. ntE!Tnber· i: o ,,_. r"1l. <:·1 1 .. E:! 1': o 111 P i: h n t f'! n s a n d 1·: ('! n s of offers of jobs that he has had i.n the 1i.~st sc;!V("~Y'c'll yPar·s. :r i:'IITl sure he has had, you know, i.nnumc,1rRb1e offt::~rs becausc ,1 ~.: hc.;!y recognize in hirn a very competent, eli s t. i n g u i s h e d C a n a d -L a n . T ~~ 111 n o 1: going to a s k him how many job offers and all the rest of -L t .

I have told the public of NetAJfoundl.dndl and T clo n ol.: 1n·.i.nd saying it aga~ln, t.h<:1t I lAJas o ·F f E:1 r (~ d - "i. i : .. i. s t: h ('! i": r· u i:: h ! -· a _j o b by Mr·. Dobbin to head up onE! of his subsi. d;;n · i . f:!~; ~L._.§J}1MO_~_§ : You accepted rny offer . MR. SJMMS : Yo11r· of"t"c,1r! PRrMIER PFCKFORD: and qu~i. t.E:~ J ikely! d c,~ F i. n r~ d b f;! c: i'lll s :~ I d ·i d it in any detail, ~in i'lr'P.d. B11i~ i: hi'\l: finalized, and I dtd but ·.'i,t. IAklS not-. gel·.: "i.nt.o thE! dE:!fence llJd s n c,1 v c;! r' not want: t o flll r s 1 u,~ i. 1: ,::tn y fur· t: IH1 r .

T I'H'! r ( ~ 1.~1a s an offer· of monE!.Y and an offer of a p o s 'i. +-... i. on , and t.: h c-t ·l- IAicl s t t. , i n a subsidary. And it nE!VE!r tAJont b(;1yond that bc;!CC:·1UScc1 I hii1d no intention of negotiatjng a con+:ract . I!J"i. Lh hi.111 for· a job a contract was talked about b (~ c au s ~ ~ T lAid s no 1". i. n t f:! I" Cc1 s t.: f'! d I ·j n the sarne way r.1s I have had oUl (·r· oFfer· s t.h<·ll· T d ltl no!': goi. ng to 1::<'!11. the hon. lTI E!ITibE!r' about, b('!Cf:IUS E:! :Lt·. No. ?!:i 1<1.292

· d:i.d not go anywhE!I"I:l. I Mr·. SpQake::'r, ancl T <'1111 stay here. That is all. SOME HON. MEMBERS : H~1ar·, hE!ar'! MR. WELLS: Mr. Sp~'1al«:1r . MR. SPEAKEr~: The hon. the Leader Oppos"i.t.i.on. MR. WELI..S: arn here, go i.ng t-o of the Mr. Speaker, T would remind the Hou so, <Hid 1'. he P rc:111'li. rH' t-hat- th~1 quc~stions thi:lt asked ~re betng asked on as 1~1Hl.l, ar~::1 bEdng b0half of l he taxpayei"S of this Pr·ouince, n (l i () n b ('! h ~~ l F 0 r i" h (! i. n d ·i

l) i. ell I "' l s po!;ill~~ t·l·1c,1rn. 'l'hdt. jg on lAJhosf~ bc~h,~l.f l:hr~so ,u·e i'1Skr~d . No•~J, Mr·. ~'3peakr~r, ·in 1; i . e· ~~~~ of l:he comnlc,,nt s contr.d ned :in th~1 paper l:oddy, lAJOIIl d I'. he Pr·r~mi . er l'.nl.J. lhc:l House whether or not those cJ i. s r: u s s .. i o n s C:! x t. f~ n d C'! d o

t) C:! r· d p o r· L o d of t.irne dur·ing t.hli:' month of 0 c ·t. o b C:l t• , a n d o tJ c::! r· d n u m b e r· o f TTIE!C~tings, as 'is indicatE!d in Mr. Dobbj.n's st.atc:Hnr:Hlt, or 1~o1as ·i.t. simply an offer 1..1.1hich the Premier refus(~d? Mr. Dobb i.n 1 s st.atf-)lnEHlt rE!fC'!rs to a number· of-· SOME HON . MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPF.AKER: Order·, plc:1i.'lS0! MR. WF I..I .. S: M r· ~- s p E! a\ (~ I" ' T lA) 0 u 1 d i'::l s k y () u t. 0 i·ry l·:o ll~t:-\inl · ,,\i.n Ol"dl'!l " ·i.n ihis U I II" 1.1] y h 0 lj S E:! , 1.1.293 Apr·n. 28, 1988 Vol XL MR. SPEAKER: Or•drH', please! MR.

WELLS: T lAJoul.Cii.,,s k l:'.i'w Pr'<:~lll'i~C!r t:o adv .i se the House, and through thE! HousE:• thE:! t.axp;:~yE!rS of Lh"is PJ"ov:.i.nc~', whether there were a number of HI t:Hd-: i. 1'1 9 S , iHl d t h C;! f j 1"1 a l. celebratory meeting to which Mr. Dobbi.n rc;!f(;!r's ·i.n thE:! nf~IAJspapc'!Y' article, or is that in error? WE:! r· c;r t h C'! r· e d :i. s c u s s t o n s aboul i'l job or' was tl'lE!re simply a sirnplH, s {: r d ·i. g h t: f o riAJCl r·d off r:! r ~:hat: l·.hE! Premier turned down? MR. SPEAKER: T h 0 h 0 n . t: h f:! P r HIll "i. E! t• . PREMIER PECKFORD : A ~; j rn p 1.

E:' ' !> t I" d. t g h t. f 0 r· lA) a I" d 0 f r f'' r' Hli'\ 1: I ho flr': '!lll i r:!t" ·i·llr rlf'•d do1~1n, and t h (o1 I" E! S t 0 f :i t :i S 1'1 0 1'1 ~' 0 f l .. h (' I r,li'\der· of ihr.! Oppos.i.t. t on 1 s bu s iness . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hc:1<:1Y', hE:!c~r! MR. WELLS: Ml". Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A suppl.t:HnE~nt:ar·y, l::hE~ hon. t.hE! Leader of the Opposition. MR. WELLS: Mr.

Spee1k~H', again, on bE! half of t h E! t i'l x p ct y (,1 r· s o f 1·:. h .. i s P r· o v "i. n c C'! , and it is their· businE!SS, thE! rost or 11Jhdl-: I i:-\111 dslci.ng dbOIII '. r·E!lii1i::E'!S to the Premier's own gutdelines r () i" Ill :i. n is 1-.1:1 I" s ' II A s t-1 y s ' I J" h 0 y 1..1.1ilJ not bE! pE:1r·rnit.t:cold t:o USE! t.hE!:ir· posJl ·"ion or· l·o 11sr,1 gotJor·nmen ·l: facilities to further their i n I· e r· n !; i· ernpJ.oyrnf~nt., i.n r:·1ny otlts ·i.clt:! offjce or positJon!

NOI~J, of Mi" . ~ )pndkr' !r', d111"·i ng i hP 1non+·h 0 c t o b 1::1 r· , t h E! s i'll n E'! rn o n 1.·. h r·o Fr-:!r·r·Hd l·o ·in ·l:hd I· p;:-\pHI", I" hto! No. 25 R1293

P r· E:~ rn·i. E! r t-1Li. l. l r' l':' rrH,~ 1n b c,~ r t: hat. t: h <~ ~­ IAlc~s thE! monl:h l:hat this ')OlJE!rnrnent ntRde l o<~lns !-.o Candd i i:·ln Hc,!l·i c:opL<'!Y' Contpany in t.h~~ Clrnount of $8.3 1n-i l.l. i •Hl rHH~ c:~ g r'i:Hl 1" of $11 . ?. rwi 1 1 i o n . 0 n b t=!\·r a J f o f t h ~,~ l·axpcliJC!r's of l:lri s Pr'OtJ·i . ncr~, '*)rt·l d the Pt"lo!rn:-ier· !:c,1]] this Hous~:! :if hE! t.•Jr.ts d·i. sc:uss .. ing d job oppot·'l--.trni.l·y fot·· thc,1 Pt"c-:>nr'iE!Y' tiJith t.hclt company I'll : UH~ satrH~ t·i lfl<'! hf:~ IAIH~> dis ells sing -t- h e s C'! l o iHl !: ? MR. SPFAKER: Hw hon .

IJw Pr'E:~mi. E!r . PREMIER PFCKFORO: The:tt is low--down! That deal that IAJi::t s don c,~ on t h E:1 ~tel. i. cop h;! r corn p cll1 y was done through a fed(H'al. .. -pr·ov i.nc i.al cornrn-i.tto.:1. T had nothing to do with it at all. As i'l rnr.tth,1r· of fdct, T t.:hlnk, i~d: the meeting in question I was trying to atternpl': to get CP and Min. Dobbin 1 s company interested in the Strawberry Hill facility out on the West Coast, IAlhich is now b o -L n g ·F i. n ~-ln c e d b y t h e 1.1 n ··i lJ t'! r s ·i l·: y and l'.·.ht"ough us.

It t.uas at that. lrH:H~ l:·i.ng "i.l· t.•Jas only cll'l ho11r' 11reE:1t . .ing - ht' off(H'Hd me d job. It h r\ cl n o t h "L n g 1·: o c:J o , ... , i. Ht t:lri. s o i'.IHH' :. tuff , i:HI d a 1. J the doc lHil Co'rl l~ s c a 11 prolJr,~ ·i.1 1\JorAJ l:hr:! I C:!i'\dt'!r' of Ute Oppo~; i 1:-i on h a;, r-ed s tH~ Hf'.i ;, to t·. , .. y l~ o put a clo1rd OtJ<;!r' 1ny hnHd on 1-.h.:<~i·., yr:!1: hn taJ ks about the unruly Hous(,~ and d l.l Lht'! r·c,~ s 1-. of ·i i· . I L1JCI s ·:i. n !:he g ('! nt 1 Co1flrd 1'1' ~; pt"E:~ s <~ n c e and hr:1 offc::r(~d rne r.t job. Thur-r,, .• , not h:J ng I could do about. that.

I did nol·. knOIAI he IAJi'1S go·jng 1~.0 offtH' rnr:~ a job, and hr:1 offerE:H~ mE! a job and I IAkl s no l.: L n 1-. E! r· <'! s ~ E:~ d . T 1 ·. lAid s a VE!ry inb:'rE:1sting propos:i t'ion and t. hE! r· c,~ IAli'.t s p 1 (! n L y of rno rH:1 y , pl. E! n t y of security and all the rest of it H 1:'. t d c h ~:! cl l:·. o L t . 1-1 E! IAii'l s IAI"i. l. l. ·i. n g 1- o d o a c o n +:r· f.l c t IAI'H: h rn E! b u 1 I tAla s no t i. n t c;! r· E! s t: E! d , a n d L hi'\ ~- L1Jd s c:-1 J l. 1.1294 Apt"jl 28, 1.988 Vol XI... IAJdS l~. o .i. t-..

Tf T \)li:·1~; tnt.(!I"E! s -t-od T IAIOU] d not bf:' hr.H'f~ nOtAl, l IAIOU] d bE! SOifi(:11AlhfH'I'! nl Sf~, l IAJOI.Il d be OU i··. ·-i,n the pr··ivat.E! SE!Ct:.or' IAIOtnk-.ing. That IAli'l!) d"Jl IAii:'IS J-0 j 1· . T , ... , i ·1 l g (;! 1: l: h o d ,~ I · <'!~; now F o ,.. thE' tt"ain of c,1VE!rtts, since,~ thE:! LE!aclf''l" or~ 1 l·w Oppos·i.i- ·. "i on iv·1~; h<:-u:l I·· he nE!Y'Vt'1 l:o ask thE! qUE!St:ion t.o i·:I"Y l:o dr-:nnonsti"<'l1-p sorrJC:! con Fl. ·i ct of interest.

I w.ill got the dates on IAJ h ·i c-h I·. h ;~ -1: o 1: he I" p I" o j e c I: 'AI<''' ~~ pro CE!edE:~d wt th, be cau s 1':' I think ·.it 1~1as al.r·nrHiy dppr·ovc-:!d c.d·. t.hat. po i.nl': in timE!, long be•forr:1 Mr. Dobbin ofFE!Y'I:1d 111e l:hr;! job. Sr1·1 .. f IAll.ll now makE! surE! I r·esE!arch it. and gC'!t: l.: hc-~ d;:~tes. Thr:-\ l:. 1111.·1s ne~JE!r' rne n t ion e d , .it tAla s a J r E! r.H:I y appr'OV('!d. ThE! i'1nnor.rncC.;!ITIC'!nt. tn:iqht.: have carne c~round thet t t:irnl':•, but ·.Lt. 1~.1as all"ei:tdy appr·oved by l::ho tt~. 1o governments.

It was done COIIIpl.~~i-.C'!l.lj or.rt.si .cll':' of me altogether. It was done by boa r• d s , f Co1 d f:' r• d l. p eo pl <->. , d n d s o o n . I t. h a s n o t h :i n g t o d o tAr.i.t: h rn E! l~lh ~-ll: S 0 f'! lJ (;• Y' . Thi'll-. IAJH~; dll IAJ~'IS l·:.o i I· . The rnan offE:~tn<~d TTIE'! a job ~.Hid I honesl.:l.y r'1rtd 1·r·ui·.hfrr"lly i:·l<lrnil· t·: hdi·. , c:·1S l had been offered jobs by others ~~Jhotn r IAI'i -11 noi· rnonl-.i.on, i:trtd T ttJY'ned -.it down. Thai~. :.i~; a1J. ~ - ) i n c n 1· h i:<~l·. 1·. i 1 n r:! r h , .. , lJ "' bE! e n offc,'r'C:1d other jobs.

As c~ matt:c,~r· nf f.~~ci · , if yo11 t.~oJortld l ·ike l··o k notAl, I have bE:~ en ofF E!rE!cl a F t'!IAJ tnor<:' si.ncn Lhr:~l:, br.ri· T din noL -.int<'!rE:1sted r·ight not.ll. OnE! of 1.: h<:~ s :;! <L:~y s T rn:.i.ght b A i n'!:o r·e ~;Led.

R'ight now I c~rn inter'E!St:E!d in opE!r'dti .ng t:h -i.s Pr·o1J i.ncE~ and rnak .i.ng this Province tick, mf.lking this P r' o lJ "i. n c <~ go a hE:~<" d i:·' s IAH'! h a v e s E! t'! n 'in the J.ast couplE! of YE!ar·s w.it:.h our· r.lnE'!lrtploytnont. go -L ng dot.•.Jn and gE:1tt:ing thE! ofFshorE! go:i n~1 and geLting i'l whole bunch of other th-.ings st:ra:ight:E!rtE!d out:.. 1 cannot help tt if everybody ts afl':er rne. No. 21) rn294.

SOMF liON. MF.Mfl E RS : H~~i-.ll" I h(~~i'll"! Mf~, WELL.~3: ~ findl supplementary, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPFAKER: A-fD1i:ll--supp1emr:'ntary, thE:~ hon . th(~~ LE:Hild(,H' of t.h<:1 Opposi .t. i.on. MR. WFLLS: M r . S p (cH'I k e r , I 1..11i. l. l t e l 1 t. he PrE!ITdE:~r, frankly, there is no other basis for rai.si.ng the qtH:1 s tio n at her· than the s t:a temE! nt s e~t.l~r i.bu I:E!d 1-o Mr. Dobbin, so 1 will not suggest there is anything E! l. s 1'::1 . T. w 'i. l l. 1".1'::11. l. h -L 111 F r r~ n k 1 y , that j s the on] y basis for rais:i ng 1::h(,1 qllf'!st·i .on. SOME HON. MFMflERS: Oh, oh!

MR. ~>PFAKE'R: Or·der·, pl (~r'\SP.! Mt~. WFI..I.S : NotAl, T r~sk thE! Pr·enr:i.el" SOME I·ION. MEMR E R~=i: Oh, oh! MR. WELI.S : Mr. Speaker, would you maintain ord(.;!r, pleasE!! MR. SPEAKER : Or·der, please! MR. WELLS: I 1.uouJd ask the PrE!tniE?.r: Is it fair to conclude, as T rlo From what the Premier said, that Mr. Dobb'i.n' s st.i:~tt!IIIE'!nl.: 1..1J-i.+:h r·ospect ·. t:o rne(.;!t:ings and the fi.naJ CE!] ebrator·y HH~c:!i·. Ln~:~, ;u·o fi:ll sn, l':l·wy r:'lrt;! not i:-ICCUI"i-:lte? .!"'.E~ ~>PFAKLR: The hon. tht'! PI"Pnr.:i.E:•I" .

P ~~ FM T: F I~ P EC: I< t~ ORD : I. 129 5 Apdl 28, 1.988 Vol XL l 'hp y a;"t'! noi: c:-1 c t:lll"r'll:c•. J do no i·: l<nc)l.u 1.uhy the gE!ntleman :l.~; say:ing ·!".hi'! s1·11f·F hr~ "i.!; sr:·ly-Lng. T cdnnot: answer for him. But I was offered i'l job by h .ilfl i:'t11d [ l.UI'··ned i. l: down. It is just as simple as thr:l L. 1·1('! lAid!) exi:l"f~ITIE'! c l y ('!dgf:!l" I can gE!t into it-· about: ·.U: and so on. MR. SIMMS: HE~ rnlght hi'lVE! i.nteq>reted it diff-erent1y. PREMIER PECKFORD: WE:1ll, T do not know how hE~ could interpret it differently, but. appctrr-:!ntl.y hr~ d·i.d .

T do not lAJanl:. to get into u.Jhat he said to mr:! a 1: 1" h f:' 1·. i lflf;! . l h r,~ 9 0 1'1 1.: 1 E'!llli'Hl I~Ji':'t S looking for somebody to give c r· P d ·i b i ... , i I· y I: o h 'i s c o 111 p a n y , r'! n d s u on , b c,, c Cl us E! h (! d ::i. d r 1 o t f f'! f'! 1 L h r.l ·1- ho hdd I hn CY't'!d i I:J·j l 'i l ~ y r'!!) ;,1 corporate E!nt:ity 'in t h:l s Pl"ov'.'i.nc r=! 1: h R ; ·. h o d f'! s r,, r·

t) f~ cl 1: o h dl! t·) . H E'! thought !:hat I could do sornc;!th:i n~J db011i: lhai· Cl"f~rJ-i.b..i.li1·y. T'lvtl . -i.s one oF l:.hE! th'.ings hr~ !;a·:i.d t:o rnr:!. H c.~ ~~Jd s u (! r· y c.~ c:-1 g C:! r· get someone 1ike me SO ht:! COII-I d l :.c,~ · 11. ·j I·· to to 1- () br~ c·1b-lt~ Lo go 1.uj th h'.l m s 0111f:! of ht ~; other friends in thE! corpor·a LE! I.AJ o r· l. d w h o 1 n h t'1 p r· o c <:1 i. u e !; greater credibility l'.o ha~Je :in HE! Nr~ I .. Jfoundlal'ld than he'! hi·'tS. mentioned that to rne. But:. no 1-. IAJi'Hlt. to get :i.n to l~ha t. is all I can say on it. Ml~. LONG : Come on, boy!

Get :in-to :i.t:.! 1~ri.ll. l."i.s I::E:!n! PRFMTER PEC:KFORD: I do That Oh, her·e is Moikha:U.! HE:1 IAJanl':s to ho;:~ r sornr~ mor·r:! j tri r:y s I:11·Ff. MR. SIMMS : IIH i:-lskc.=!d l.hn S<'llnn Cjllr:·s ·l .. ion L·.hi"E!f'! mont. h~; ago. PREMTER P~CKFORD: No. 2 5

T a p p r· e c i. at. c,' what. t: h r,~ 1 .. r-:! m cl e r· of the Oppos:iU .on ~>cl:i.d :in his last qu~=!st:Lon. T guess ho hi'\s r.1 r·tghl~ l:.o c:~sk it <:lnd so on. There -.is a d t f f o r· E~ n c e o F o p i. n -L o n b o l:.1~1 e E'! n !: h E:! tLJJO of us about l .he nat.urc.;! oF ·l:·.hE:' lliPE'!I· Lng. All. T Cr'll'l Si:'ly, fur· my p~rt, is that it was a very ·j n i· c,~ r c,~ s I: i. n g p r· o FH) s "i t -i. o n r'l n d T to 1 d Ml".

Dobbjn, 1 That :is vc->.r·y, vr:~ry 'i. nl·:r'!rf'!SI:-i.ng, bt.11· J IAJr.ls noi· oillter·osi:ed.' r sc:dd :if :r l41er·e i.ni:r'!r'r~si:nd l · hr,~ Fi.1"si· ih ·i.ng r IAJOii.lc:l he~ve to do tr. go and do aJ.l the thi.ngs c~b01d: r·r,~<:dgn i ng and all. of t hr .. d·, r.1nd J would not be pre:~pr.lrE:H~ i ~ O 90 IAJ'il:h hi111 HS a COlflpHny p~~l"son, I wot~ld onJ.y do i'i: on contract, and i:hc'lL I would hal!<~ i:o g c,~ t a 1 a w y E:H' t o rH:~ g o t i a t e :i t. , a n d 1: h c\ 1· IAIO 111 d t: i'l k E'! s e II\'! r· a l rno n 1·: h s .

T dJ.so tncUcat<:~d l:o him t:hat I had ot:htH' offer·s I.4Jh-i.ch I IAJould hr:·\VO t.o check as lA.I<:11.l bE!fOY'l':1 I proCE!E!dE!d r:Hl y f U Y' t. h E:1 r , b e C r'l U S E:~ t h 0 S (~ 0 f f (~ In S might stiJ.l be availabJ.e to TTIE! nobody IJ.Jho dof:!S i'lny bus-Lnnss IJ.ri.l-:h the gover·nrnent or anything but ·if r chang~~d my uri.nd l L4JOLtl.d g~1t.: back to h:im, I would gEd: a 1awyer and hE! IAJoul.d hi'11J(,1 h'i.s l.at~Jyer·, <'tnd seo if we could negotiate scllneth ·i ng.

Th<'! 14Jholr=! qtH'st-i.on t:hen ''"oul.d be IAJhc;!ther· IJ.JE! cou1.d nC;!gO l:.'i.r:lhc1 SOIIIC;d:h i.ng. f'hc'li': IAJi:·lS s ·t-:i.ll tlp j n t.l·t(~ air·. WE:~ rn:ight not h i~\ I J (~ b ~:! C'! J' ) ;:~ I:J l (~ 1-. () n (:' 9 0 i ·. i. c'\ i ·y ~:ornc-d h·.i ng that IAJi'..15 fclVOlH'ab1H 01n c~ccr~pl:ablr~ i··o ltH~ . ThRI · i!; L11hnr-· :-~ H is. MR. ElAJRD: -----B11l· you t4J01lld 1<1'1014) IAJhf'!)"C y0111n s otH' c ~=! of :in come 1Aia5 conr.i.ng F1norn.

PRFMIFR PECKFORD: T h r'• o t h t:1 r· d <.·1 i". r.~ s o n 1.: h d +· o i': h ~'! r· helicopter simulator proposa1. was completely soparato and w~s no!-. r· a j_ s e d :i n ·1:. hr.\ t m E• Ed:. :in g . I think !he flnal. deci.si.ons had al.re~dy been made :in Ottawa, and so on, i.'\bout it: .. OncE:1 agai .n T just want: L1296 Apr·iJ. 28, 1988 Vo1 XL -t·.o rE~-Lt:c;!r·at.o, becdUS<'! l::hE~ rnc:'tnbE!Y' for FortunE! Herrn:i tagE! :is jus L no t cor· r· r~ c 1-. , 1:. h r:-1 t M 1·· . nob b t n -L ~; not a friend of rn:i.n,=.•. He l'lE!VE•I" IA)r:-\ S r:•\ f::-1" j_ f'!

J'l d 0 f lfl i_ l'l 0 i''l l'l d "i_ S l'l 0 \:·. i.'l f r i E:1 n d of rn j _ n E~ . 1-1 j s b I" o t h E:! r B a s :i. l l'ldS bnC'!I'l H F1n.:i Pnd oF rwi ne but ~~r·. Craig Dobbin has never been a f I" i. r,~ nd of rnJ n r,, . MR. TOBTN : He :is no fr··:i.end of Ro~F!Y' 1 s Ed Lhol"! PREMIER PFCKFORD: I e<:HHl o i: f r.\ 1: h o 111 -i. I· T j 1 1 s 1': c a n n o t: fctthorn it.. I gUE!SS :d:. g:i1n~s cr·c,1dibi.l.i.i · y l: o hi~; s-idP of i::hE! story, that is the on1y thing I can c:loducr~ Fro111 :it .. Thai· : .Ls t: hE• on1.y thing I can dE!dUCE! fr·orn it.

Tl: ·is l.'i.kE=!, T guc,1ss, 'i.:ho Ll"!i\\clel" oF the Opposition or the Leader of t: h (,1 N D P , o r· o t h e r· p H o p l. E'! h <'! I" e , ·i. f and lAJhen I-- MR. BAIRD: I dill sure t.h~:! peoplE! dOiAII'l in Fortune-- Hermitage <:H'E! anxtous Lo I·H~ c:H' l. h i.·\ l: ' a n d lA) () n d ~'!Y' "i n g ).J,) ~li:'l 1- J. s going on today. At least: he would kno1~1 Iris sollr'cr,, of i.ncouw c:~nd adrn:it where it: was coming frorn.

PREMIER PECKFORD: So, l·hr'll·. ·i.s IAJi'lf:!Y'P. i ·l· IA)i.~S. l c:·\1so, by the IAJay - I am j u~d: t.t"y·i.ng t:.o r'OlfiP.IIlbnr• I'IOIJJ i:-IS f i'llfl · 1-:.<.~lk·ing :-indjcdl:ed ·to Ml". Dobb·in !·.ha-t: J ltJOtJld no!- l'l!'!t.:JOi·"ii'li:n c:1nyi:lrinq IAJ-il· h hirn unless I hr.ld r·E:~s:ignc-:~d F:il"sl:. r d l '' o 1 n Ml I· i o rw d l: h ~~ i: t: o lri rn . I tJJouJ.d l"estgn ftrst, infor·m thE• p iH' ·!· y 1:~ n d H I.-, o f Ukd· .

T !·1 d cl · no :ini.:Pntion, as I said this to h ·irn L·.IAJO or· i:hr·t:~e c.·\S T IAJds lE~i:-\u i.nq, of pursuing the matter further I:H~Ci.-\IISO l"hlc! f·i .r·st 1:-.hi.nq r lAIOlll.d have to do is decide that 1 wanted 1".0 qc:d-. oui-: . '[ I~IOUl d hi'lV(:1 i- o bE• out, cornplEd:eJ.y out, L'H!fore I 1410111 d even geL ;:~ l.dtAJY':!r' \:.o negot':iatr:! becauSE! 1 do not helVE! cl l <:\IAJYEH'. r havE~ no rnon<'!Y and T do No. 25 R1296

nol· t~J<Hli : r:-u-1y 1110ney . T. gol · nol · hing c,~nd T do 110 t IAICI n+- no th :i ng . :r IAIOII.I cl hdtlr'!

h) go 9''! I "' l r:-~t .... Jy::!r' r:-1nd pay h:i 111 to s ta 1'' ·1: nE!C.:J ot· :i at i ng af b,H' r g 0 I 0 II 1". I I:H~ c d us('! [ I)J() 11.1 d n 0 I· cl () :il· dny othl':!t" way.

ThE~rc,, ·i~; ju~>t ono Lhi. ncJ, 1-1nd I I)Ji.ll. jusl·: ( ·inish on this I apprecJate the q 1 "'~ s L: L o n s F r· om 1': h E! p r e s s r:'l n d f r o rn UtE~ other sidE:~ and it has nothing to do wLth Atlantic Accords, nothing to do with a n y b o d y - r: IJ.J:i l. 1 s t o p b e c a 1 j s e ( a rn taking up Question PE!riod - I can s e~ y abo u 1·: rn y s H l f i. n a l.l. modes t y e:i.ther, it is straight, or if it is not stre~ i.ghl: r: do not \).Jant any part of it. SOME HON. MEMBERS: He<-.lln, h('!ar!

PREM£ER PECKFORD: T do nol:: ht:lvc~ a lineup of C(H'flOY'C:·\ i·n poopl e i.'ll· tny dOOI" l~l.U:!r'y dC~y T dJ d t:~ t: fj rst -- pd rtli:tr':i J y br~cmi.ISI'! l:hr:!y knOIJ.J i I ·j ') i'l IAJi.·\S l:r~ or -l:i ru ~~ t. o ~~ o t c.t 1 k t o P E' c k f o r' d , br,~c.:'luse C~bJe to pockc~l·. I~J(! put ;:'lr·r~ no 1: going 1-:o bn t~nyt-.htng jr1 his back SOME HON. MEMBERS : H e d. r· , h E! a r ! MR. EFFORD: Mr. Speaker· . MR. SPEAKER: The hon . l:hE~ rnE:~rnber· for· Por·t cle Grave. MR. EFFORD: Thank you, Mr. ~3pE:!ak«::~r . Mr·. SpE~akc,H', rny q1H~Sl.:.i.on ·is directed to the Minister of Health (Dr·.

Colli.ns). Tn i.~ shod· . pr·("~arnblE! I IAic\nl~. t.o btning h:i~~ i:·\11-:ent:-i .on to HH~ 1-r:·\l:t l:hdi · ··in 1.9'79, 1983, 1.985 and a~Fd.n o.Ln :1.987 I. h E'! tA E:! 1~1 C'! I" r:! r· r:! p o r I· ~; d n n f~ d I I· h e floyles fscasonJ Horn~~ wh-.i.ch 11?.9'7 A p r· i l :> a , 1 q a B lJo l X 1.. I:H'OIIghi · l·n l·hr'! i:hr~n tll"in·ist:EH' 1 S clttention now the Mjnister of P11b .l i ,; Wo!"ic; (Dr· . TIAIOinr~y) .• \H' l::h('! Department of Health's attention I hr~ hor'I''C~ndoiiS r:oncJ ·i 1-·i ons d ·i·· I:: he;! horne.

Just: as E1arly as WE!Clm•sclay, Apt"i1 '?.7, a s 1~.Hff trlf~lllbEH' of I.:IH! ho111e IAJri t:es VE1ry cJ.ear·ly that s-.inCE! t:hE! n f~ 1.~1 rn R nag f~ rn E:! n t f -L I" m h.e1 s i~. a k o n o v E:! r conditions have not changed. I ask the Minister of Health: W h a t "i. s i. t g o 'i n g i:: o 1:-. a k e f o r h :i. s department to act and corrE1ct thE! hor'r'E!ndous condi.ti.ons al~. the Hayles - Escasoni Home? MR. SPEAI<FR : The hon. thf:' Minist.E!r of Hc,~f.ll t.h . D I( . CO 1..1. Tl\1~3 : Mr. Speaker, I Lhtnk the hon .

IIIPtrlbl:!r I!; r·r,,fr,H·r··i . ng ~-o an anonymous letter· that wt:1~; i.n The Evening Telegram. r. lin not. knOIAJ if :it tAJas l~.oclay ot" YE!S LE!I"clc1Y. I Ci'\l'lrJ01 r'0.r:tll y COiillilC'!I"il· 01'1 r' UIIIOY'S and rnyt.hs. MR. SIMMS : ApprH'fHJI:"i y it I~Ji.'IS no'!· dnonyiiiOIIS . DR. COLLINS: T SE!O. WE!-Il., l ci:'lnnoi··. ~'!Ve~n cornrnent on l:hat. But E!VE!n if "it. hi:\d beE!I'l s-:i.gned, T can ~.>dlf th<~l: I rE!CogniZE! that pr:~oplE! can haVE! an o p ·i. n j on . T h a 1-.: i. s no p r' o b 1 C'! 1r1 • The only th-ing is , .... ,e haVE! a d:i.ffE!rE!nl. op.irdon.

I rn-i.ght add t.hat officials -.in rny dE:'partm~H1t, l~!VE:!n yes l::f~r-di:'IY, ht:~d IIIEH:'t.:i.nqs IAJ:i.l:h t.hE! Chairman of the Board and with the llldnr:·\gE:!t'fH'!I'll". oFf·-Lc"i.dJs at thE! 1-ioyl<'!~> Home to go over certa:i.n things there. Th0re dre things happening, improvements being p l;:~ n I'H'!r.l, i 111pr·o lH!IrlfHli " s o c c t.H' r·:·i ng a i:: thE~ Hoy] ('!S ·-·· Escason:-.i. ComplE!X. In <·\ ~; h n r· '1: p n i" i o c:l 0 1- 1· "i Ill r:! T f'! X p e c l: ( w-.l.Jl be given perrntssion by No . ? r; f~:l.29'7 ..

Cab:inE!tl having made a full report to Cab:i net I l:: o rna k E:~ s OlliE! s or· t of statement of a more definitive nr.lt.ur·~~. I can a~;sui"E! l~hE! hon. nH:Hnb~'r l'.:hat no rnat.l:.E!r what anonymo1~s pe:~opl.E! s;:~y -Ln UH~ pr·oss +:here fH'e :improvemE!n-\:.s going Forth a~ the Complex over there. MR. F.FFORD: ~ supplement~ryl Mr. Speaker . MR. SPFAKFI(: The hon. the rnc~mbE:H' for· Por·t dE! Gral.JO . MR. F.FFOIW: Mr. Spe~kcH' I Ul'.i s is a VE:1ry ser'ious si. i:w:~l: -i.o nl r.mrJ J IAJiHJI: UH:1 Mjnister of Health to recognize 1:: h r~ s e r -~ o usn r:! s s oF t h C! s ·i 1-· u r:l 1". ·i. on .

W c,1 h a v E! s ~Hd o r· s o v '"! r t h ~~ I" P a n d 1:: h E! y h r:1 v ~:! g o n e p u b l ·i. c t: h l~ rn s f~ 1 1.1 r'! s I onE! of the~! rnanagc~TnE!nt. pE!Ople has gone publ i.e. And 'i.f t.hl~ 1n:i.ni.shH' had so much confidence in things be Lng "i.111prov~~d <:~I:_ l:he Hoyles 1 Home and Escasconi 1 IA.riLh no extra funcling Rnd no ext-r-R st.r.1ff, I would ask him very clearly how dOE!S he takE! t.: h"i.s <H't. · i.clf~ i.n The Toronto Star, Sa ttH'di'IY, Mi'lr c h 19, 19 8 8, • North York nursing home chief fined $500. Who ran that home? Extendicare!

Ojd he do any invest: i gat1on of the cr·~>.djl:dlil:y of t.his fi1nrn pr·:ior· t:o i.l:s com·"i.ng i _nl·o HJ"is Pr·ovi_ ncr~? And :if he lri rnself hr.1s nol checked ·ini ·o ·i. l: , hOIAJ ·is he s. :~l i~d:- · ir.d that .. t hf.1 si h.Je~Li on i-.l't t:hE':1 nursing home her ·n i.n ~11 · . John 1 s is ;:qclc~q11a 1-o ;:·\nd I h c~ r' e s t d n n L ~; i.·l r ~ n g !~ i: ! · i n ~~ l~l r' o p 8 r' Cdl''(~? MR. SPFAI<FR: Th<:1 ha.n. Hw Mi.n i shH' or lh~i:il.t-.h DR . COl.. I. J:NS: Mr.

Spur:~kE!r I J 11ndr!rS !:<Hid tl"lt'!Y'f! ··is cl representative of The Toronto Star ·i. n 1: h e g ;:·\ l l e r· i. <'! s t o d a y , ''' n d I ~;uppose t.hr.lt someonE! :i.s trying 1.1298 A p r' .i.l. 2 B , 1 9 B B Vol XI. to gE!t a mention in thE! paper, or IAJ h 1:~ 1:: ~~ V ~:! Y' . 1 d 0 n 0 1:: k 1"1 0 IAJ IAJ h 6\ J: d 1 J. this is about. ThE! rnanagE:!rnE:!I'lL gr·oup oVE!Y' l~her·~~ 1-Hnd('!l''('!d l·i.kE! other gr·oups in the ScHliE! bu .s·iness 1-:ondpr·~:!d. Tht=! pl"opos< '11 s put forward by those tendering were g -L u £'! n ~1 x l~ ''! n s .:i lJ e C'! x d nl"i n a t: "i. on o li c->.

I" quite a pE:1riod of t:irne, and it-. IAJas dr,1i:CH'tn " i . n< ~ d 1-:hr:11: '1.-.lri s IAJi'\S i;\ good group to take on the contract. And - f 1rt i_gh1: i'tr:ld H!i~l1 · J hc:Hll'! had meetings with +:he particular fH'!Y'snn al~ thn ho1no IAJho ·i_s now d:i scharg:i ng t.hc~1 dut.ies of Fxl:ondi1:rH'f:!, in r:\S!>OC:'ii:-l.-i:ion IAril -h 111 E:1ITI bE:~ r s of the boa r· d IAJ horn IAJ<:1 h a v e appo i nh:H:I OlJ0.t' l:hr,, rr~ . ()nd thP board Chairman is quite happy with lA) h i.'l I· I :; b CO! "i. n q p l r:li'Hl (! d 0 {) (! r· 1-_: he I" (!

I and what ha s been put in place ovf~l" l-hr'!f'n. lhf!r'P is no pr•obl <:!ITI, there is no dissension betwePn the board and Ext:endicare. As a mat t.er· of fact. I t:hfH ' e i.s '" vE:1ry good relationship thE!rE!. I th-Lnk t:hal:. l:. hE!Y'E! ar·e i.lnpr·ovl:!rneni:.s going on thE•re, and if pr:!o p1e do n o t· a g r· ~~ e t~J -L t·. h t: h a t_ , I c a n n o t cl o much abot~t -.·.i. t. MR. EFFORD : A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A f "i. n a l s u p p l F.! rn f~ n t-_ fil r· y . MR . FFFOrW: Mr.

Speaker, I w:il.J. th~1 rn : in : istE-~r 1 s dth~n - l · ion lo U.1JO <:!XP.r'p\s fr·orn The Toronto Star, of Mc1r c h 1:1, "191!8, and I IAJ:l.J 1. tabJ E• l:l·llcHII . ThP p r· 0 lJ i n c e 0 r 0 l'l '!--_ i:l r· i

l) h r:-1 s 1 r:1 u n c h ~'! d an investigation into North Y () t' I< 1 !) fl r:-1 '!J

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l) oi_ l l i:•1 IAJ h ~:! r• !:'! t.h:ir·t.y·-two eldE:'rly p~1opJ e ciJ.E!d :in rolll" 1nonth~;, 'Deaths of home's residents probed 1 • ThH 1:·. is another

article about the sarne f ··i r·m. No . 2 ~j 1~1.298

J 1.1.ri 1 J c.u; k thE~ rn:i n :i s i: e r· :if 1: 1·1 E:' s c-:~ • -n·· i i c l. e s , pl 1 1 s I h e o x c rH' p +: ~; F t' o 1r1 !'; t· i'l f f i;( t t- h ('\ H 0 y l (,~ s I 1-1 0 rll (:\ ' t h E:' condii · ions ih;:;ti· i·hn r·r~~:.ic:lnn'l·~:: lhcniS(,,]v<,1S helVE:~ stc-:1tE:1cl publ:icly, ;:·'II" e no I· n no ugh f o I" i 1·1 C:\ 111 i n i s i f:\ ;" i o ac{- O'iiiiTIIE~djd"!-f~Jy !:0 do SOTIIE~t:h.-i.ng ;:~bouf - ·ii: .:-~nd i·o u~ll ''' p11b-lic .i.11qu:i.r·y thaL l:.h:l!; m<'!SS can bE\ st.:r·ai . ghi".E~n<'H:!

Oljf·. once Rnd for all., ~nd those r·es'idents can ge:!t t.hE! p r o p E\ r· c c.~ r n t h i'l 1: t h E:1 y d l,1 s o r IH~ . MR. SPEAI<ER: Tho h o n . t he M i. n :i s 1: <.;! r of H e:~ a 11.: h . DR. COLLINS: I think the t.o mount r.1 Ne1AJf ou nell and took place:1 Ont.ar·io. MR. EFFORD : 1\lo . DR. COI_I_[NS : hon. member wants me publ.i.c inquir·y i.n because something in the Province of :r th:i nk ·rhcAl j s r.1n j nt<,1rpl"ei:clt:i.on of lri.s r'HCJIIr;!sl..

T hdiU~ <'lbsolul:r~ · ly n o .i 1 1 ·hHlt :i o n o f d o :i n ~i t h i:t t . rr HtOt'P. cH'(~ lrli:<tl"i'(H ' ~; bt'OIIqhl f"O lny at-tent .ion by the very reputable ci 1:. ·i. 7. ('! n S hJ h 0 C 0 HIp r -j S c~ 1" h I"! Fl 0 i'll" d 0 f Tr·ustePs dt t··.hat complex, if th<,~Y bri.ng 1-o HlY r:-li::I"E!ni : ion SOHll'! pr·obJ E!rns and I th:i.nl< it lAJarrants a pUb l i C i n q II ·i_ r· y , ( I~Jl l. l r E! q l.l<'\ S t C~binet to permil me to mount a pub l i. c i . n q u i. r· y . 1 IAJi.ll not do i. t. on the basis of anonymous rumours or· . i.nnu(,~ndo~H' pu ·t. for'lAJ<~rd i.n t.h i.s House or elsewhere.

I will not do J.t on l:.h<,~ basi.s of act.'i.v-Lt.i.l:1S laking place in other provinces. And I regr~:! t. f~o ~'r:iY that i.f p~~opl.e:1 diE\ in these sor·ts of hornE!S it i.s Cl fact of l.i.fE!. T i'llll noi·: surprised at some of the sLc:<tL:isl :. ics L:he hon. lnE~rnb~:!r' hi'ls p11l ... fol"IAJc.tl"d LhE:•l"C'!. Bui: unlE~S!> SOitWHli.ny is br·oughl: for'l~ktl" d t:hi.'ll sounds dlll'.iss, T lAr.i.1] not: go t.o my 1. 1..1. 9 9 Apr·i.l .t.a, l9BB lJol. XI colleagues and ask them to mount a p11bl ·i( inq11i1"y . MR. FTFOIW : What about. i s ~; h o c k · i. n g Ml~. SPE()KFR : your• Ol.lll'l Y'C''POl"'I:.S!

J i· i ~; c I j '' g r· 1:1 r: f:! ·F u ·1 . Th<'! hon. the rnE~!flb(;!r' For· ME!nih<,'i< . MR. FENWICK: Th<'lnk you tH!i"Y 1nuch, Mr·. ~:ipf:!ai<E!r. Jt: My qUE!Stion :i.s to the Min:ist:.E!r' oF F i.nancc:! (Mr. Windsor·). T 1.: hf..ls l::o do with a statement reported in The Evening Telegram t:oday and I will quote it to him and I ask him 1. f t·: h j s i. s a n a c c u r· C:'l ·t 1:~ r· E! f l. I'! c t. ::i o n of what he sa:i.d. 1 In an :interview Wf:!dne!;d"'Y 1 l· he TIIE:!tllbel" 1 oxpla i.necl 1 the fact is the benefits which are b (.~ i. 1'1 g p <:·1 "i d 0 I I I ~ f:'

I) e I" y d c:-1 y i't r· (:• E!XCBE!ding l:hC:' ITIOrlE!Y lAJhich IAJE:• i;ti"E' p<:qy··i ng in 1 1 And hP is l"l'!FHr'r' i nq to the pooJ ed pensJ on funds, ~-.J o 111 d 1- h A M i n i ~; l·. (~ I" of F i n ,,, n c E! p J c,1 a s e g :i. u E:1 u s a n J. n d ·J c f..l t '.i o n o f IAlhC:!1·h::•r· he I•Ji:<IS d.CCIIi"i.·li::ely Cillol · f:!cl thei"E:1, ·.:i.r thc~t. :is , jn fi~ct., wl·1aL: ht:! ~; i'l i d? MR. SPEAKER: T h ~~ h on . 1: h c,1 11-1 i n ·i s 1·. I-'! r' of F j n i~ n c e . MR.

WTNDSOR: Mr~-----sp-E!al<-er·, a good !:hi ng thclt .: tAJf' hi.·\1)1'1 SOIIIC'! pr:!Opl ~;! 'i.n l".·.h i.s Pr'OIJ i.nce who are writing The Evening Telegram or· ~:he hon. gEHlt.lr:111lcHl oppositE\ would riE!VE!r corne up tAli th a qur:!si- . 'Lon, br~caus~'! E:1Vlo!Y'Y quE'!St:i.on he asked has to come frorn The Evening Telegram or The Sunday Express. The answer to the question 1s: Yes, Mr. Speaker. And if the han. gent1ernan would c c.~ r· e f ~ o l. o o k b i'l c k he l•li. ll f i. n d out: that what I arn talking about was a r· <:1 p or· ·l". 1: h <:-~ · 1- l•kl s 1·. db l. n d oi. n 1 9 B 11 ..

M I~ . i"F::NWT C K : Mr. ~)pr~al<er·. No. ?.''i Rl/.99

MR. SPEAKER: T h c,~ h o n . di o Jllt:Hn b e r· ·f o r M <'! n "i. h e k . MR. FENWICK : Mr. SpeakE!r, I f'ind this a J.'.itt:le bit appalling. 1 have here the financial statement for December 31, 19135 for· +:he poolc,1d pc;!nsi.on fund. It oi ncl'iccltes on ·thE! f:inal l. inE:1 t.ha t: t.:hel"<c' IAJi.·\s r:~ sur•p 'l115 .Ln Lhe yE:1cH' 1985 of $60 mtllion and ·in lqaiJ. t.:hor·~~ IAJHS ""$'1-2 rntll.:i.on SUJ"p] LJS. We obv'.i.ously do not havE:~ l:h:~ '1986 or· 198'7 sl·.;:lJ'.:eJJH;!nl:~;, so ·il: is hard tote]] lllhat :is gotng on.

B u 'I" , M r· . ~1 p e a k e r· , j s Ht:i s p a r t of a rH~ IAJ no 9 o I: -La t: i n g s i:r· ,:~ i: 0. g y , i': o i ... r· y dl'ld gPt- rhe urdons -1-o pay rnort:~ "i.ni ·o 1-.i'w'i.r· pc,~nsion flll'lcl~;? rn fi>~c · l-, MJ" . SpE:1r-tkE:H', unlE:'SS soJnelh -ing h;;\s <lr·dsl .·i. c,:\lly +:11r·nc=!d f.~I"OU nd -·- MR. SPf.AI<E'R : Or·d(;'Y', pl.c;!i'\S(;!! Ml~. FENWTCI<: - tht:1rc,1 probabJ.y 1..uas a surplus :.i.n the l.asr couple of yeRrs as well. MR. SPEAKER: 0 r d e r· , p 1 E:' a s e ! MR. FENWICK: My question to the minister is: Would you p 1.

E! i'\ ~; ('! gi.ve us an indication of t.~Jha t the actual ~; u r· pl. us or· dE~ f -;, c i c;! n c y IAJd s i. n t h c~ four par·tj cular· pJ ans, the publ:i.c s C'! r· IJ L c n o n c,~ , t·. h 1-~ t-. c~ "' c h (;! r· s p l. i'l n , !.hE=! un:ifcH·mc,1d sc:'rv:ic~~s, and -!:hE! M . H.n . pl.Cln? MR. SPFAKFR : l It C'! h on . t· he M :i n j s t e J" of F j n i.'ll'l c e . MF?. WfNDSOR: Mr· . ~;;pf'!i'.tkC,H', thC'! han. ~~c->.nl~_lccHrliHl lv\s once:! ,:·\giri n fH'OtJE!n I tflltch bo-l:hH' I· h a n T c o u J d , ~~- h c:~ l a c k o f k l'l 0 IAJ l (;! d g 0 1·.: h d ~~ h n h d S d b 0 1.1 t.

S I I C h rna ttei"S. 1...1300 Apr"'i.1 28~ 191l8 Uol. XI .. He tali<E!d about l::he dE!fic:it. foJ" a p a I" 1.: i c 11 '1. d r· y ~~ r:'t r· . T h o r· ('! 1Ali'1 s 11 o deficit last. year, there is no d c,~ f i. c i t l~.i'l"i s y ~'! ;-n· , t:'l n d HH'! r· C'! IAr:i ] 1. not be for the next number of y ~~a r· s . And 1:: h i:-t l -i s L h ~~ r·· ~" s ull : (J r the incr·ecJJbly good job I-: hat ou1" P ~'! n s ~i on r n v E'! s -1:-.Jrw n 1·: Co rmn i 1-.: t: <"! <'! j s doing in inVE!Sting l:hE! funds that ~re in thai-.: pension pl.<:-ln. ~,_lhi:\l·.

T i'\lfl l:dl.l<-ing aboul - i.s the unf~nded liability that is bwil.d-i.ng 11p so l " lv~l- SOirlf! po -inl·· ·in time->., in the future, Mr·. SpE!akE!r, 1:1-w ·f,tnd tAri.ll nni · br:! dblH 1--.o rrH:!e l-. thE:~ obl'.igat:ions that: dr'<"! bu:iJ.cl:ing 11p ttndnr· ·1-.1-w bonr~fil· s i· l'ldL ,y,r·e accJ"U:i.ng as a r·c-'!suJ.t of l·:. ho pr~ns i Ol'l pl.,'ln. And I~Jh;:-\1·. f sd-i d IAJi.'t~~ tl·1at LhE! arnounl: . that IAJE:! di"E:! pi>tying no1~1 t!; noi· oqtlitJ<~lntil': lo ihE! amounl-: of benefJts that are btl i l.d"i.ng 11p C'!';'ch yc~,:'lr.

Tho ~> H b E~ l'l E~ f :i. t: S l-lri J.l b (c1 p d i cl S 0 Ill 0 ·1: i. ITI E! i 11 t:hc,~ Ftti:ur·c,~. find i:hc:!r·c,1 .. ;_~; <:-1 po·i.nl: in timE!, J.n t:hE! futur'E!, t..uhE!I'l I:: hE• b~HlCc~f i. l :~; IAJ'ill <c1 XCC!ed l:h~:! amount: of the funds available in that fund. MR. FENWICK : Mr. SpP~kc-i!r . MR. SPEAKER : f.l Final supplemenrary. MR. F ENWTCK: Mr·. Speaker, looking dt thE! SdiTIE' r P. p or· 1: UH~ on l. y o rH:! t~JE~ h r.HJ C'!

I quite frankly lt is indicated i:hi'ti" l:hco pttbl ··ic SC'!Y'tJi.Ccc! pE!I'lSi.on plan oF 24,000 rnt:~rnbel"~; has d pay o 1 ' ! · i n 1 9 !!'") o f 3 13 p reo r· c fHl I o F LAJ l·li:'t l- it brought in; the teachers 50 pc~l"·c:en · i · ; 11n i fot"tnr~c:l St'1r' v:-i C\'!S actually pays more than it gets 1 (i r;, 000 I ~;n l:hf:!r'e ·i ~; r:~ dE:!fi c-i 1:: HH~ r·p . Mr·. ~')p(~;:~knr·, t•JOtt-ld ll'lf'' M"in:ist:et" of F-.:i.nanCl'! not agr·c,•E:1 l:.hc\L t:.he MI·IA p l <:·\ n I 1:. h n o n e I h d 1-. c o v e r· s u ~; which actually in 1985 paid out No. 2S R1300

J7r) per'CE:~nt b r· o u g h 1': i. n oF th(~ bunch? of ··j s the LhH And premiums it I•JO r· s I·· f11 nd nd IAJO U J d n 0 t 1-:. h ('' M·in·isl :er· of Ftn<::1ncn~ <:·)!; d sytnbol l:o thE:~ l"(~s+· of l:.hE:1 publJc SE:'rv:icc'! ~~~h ·i ch hn ··is HS k·i I'll] ~.o i:dke ·i l: on il·te ch..-il'l 1 cl·tangE:1 t.hE:~ MHA pE:~ns:ion pli:Hl so UldL IAJH cr:-1n r.·ll)()id i:he doublo cLippjng that js occurr·:ing in I hr,~ c.:·1scs of i.nd·i u-i d11i't·1 lllf'!lfi!:HH'S of + hj s HousE:~ -- tAJho go on pensj on or· g o o n l: o Uw ~) r,Hl '" i · f:! o r· g o to t· h C.;! b E:Hl c h and a s ~.l r e s u 1 t c an t he n dr·<~IAJ t·.he I:('H~cH·r.~l.

GO\I(H'nrnf'!nt si'tli'1ry in those :instancc,1s and ours as 1..11 e ll. e l. ·i. rn -i. n ;., t E:1 t h ·i s d o u b l. o dipping as a symbol to the 24,000 civil. servants and the 81000 teachers that indeed we are willing to go and look Rt our plan fir·s t bE!fore IAJB go at all of thE:1 r· E:~ s L of t h e o t. hE! r· s ? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Lhe Minist8r of Fin~nce . MR. WTNDSOR: l-Ion. 9('!11l:l.ettiC!I'l oppos i.l::'! ;u·r'! <:·1lmos I· Jn pc:u-dc h(H'E!I Mr·. SpE!i:ti<E!r·~ 1 -; ~; l-. E'! wi n y I· o UH~ r:!l en i·l n likHl to I· f I(:! j I" r· j g h t .

M r· . ~') p r:! a k P r· I 1: h r,, h o n . g P n 1. l e 1 n r'l n obv·i.ousJ y does not knotAJ IAJhat hE! :is l·;'ll.lcing .:~boul·. l·le i~; ronFtts ·ing ·t-otal] y cetsh fJ 01.1.1 of a par· ·U.culal" YC'!rH' Fr ·O ifl "'c i· : u<:~ r· -j r:'ll s l· rJd ·i. f! s . And i t· i !\ t h c-?. a c t u a r· y s t u d t e s t h m t· I h 1'1 \J e b o I'! n 1:. a l. k t n g "' b o u l·. I 1~1 h i c h r·eaJJy JndJ.cate the str·ength of l~ h(;! PE~ns · ion rl<:~nl nol~ l.:hE~ per·fol"manCE! J.n any on!:~ yE~ar·.

That i. s <:·1 c <.·1 s h f 1. ow ·F o r· o n t~ y ~~ i'l r· I t: h ;:~ t is a snapshot in t:irne, l:hat is the kind of short. sightedness that gE!tS NDP government in such financiRl trouble that they get :into. SOME HON. MEMBERS: 1·1 ~'!a r· I h c,~ ;:~ r· J MR. WlND'30R: I 1301 Apl"'i] 28 1 1988 Vol XL What. I arn talk].ng about, Ml". :-; p ,,, •.. , k ('!r' I ·j s e n s I I r· i. n g Hl r·\ L ·i. 1'1 2 ~; 0 I" 30 or· 40 YC'!i.H'S L'i.niE'! t.·.he!

FH'.!I'l!d.on p -, d n c <:·1 n p d y I• l1 n b n n o F i 1- s 1- o L h c:! pubJJc servants of this Prouoince ·I h i'l I· ·1: h f:! y HI" :i! p d y ·j 1'1 •J f'~ 0 r· 1". 0 d ,:q y . The h on . g H n il o 111<:-Hl o p p o s j 1- e -; s obviously not concerned about: Hlr:ll:. l·lr~ 1~11'1n h; lo i:r'llk ,:~bou~: i:hC'! M H A pension p J. an I tAJh i c h j s v E! r' y s~i 1r1 i. lt.H' Lo r'!IJP.r'y oUHH' fJJHA pc:Hls:ion plarr in every other prov:ince of Cdndcl<.~. MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.ease! The time for oral questions has E~l c1flSE!d. Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Commitees DR. COLLINS: Mr· .

Spea I< E!r . li-1R . SPF.:AKER: -:y h E! h o n . l: h c,~ M :i n oi !> t: c;! I" o f H e a 1 l·. h . Dr~. COI . I..li\JS: --·-----Ml". Speaker·, i':hr~ i.·)l'li'lllr'l.l. thE:~ Alcohol co 111111 i ~; s i on U.lbr·ador·. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr· . S p E:~ a I< (,1 r· . rJJR . SPEAKER: I would Jike to table r C'! p o I" t· 1 CJ ll 6 .. l 9 8 7 f o r· and Drug Dependency oF f\JC'!IAJF ou nd 1 and d nd The- hon- .-the Min:l s tE!r of Fi s hel"i E! s , MR. RIDEOUT: M r· . S p (~a k (;! r I T IAJO ul. d J 'i. k e to t 1:'' b 1 E! the annual report of the FoishE!I"ies Loan Bo;:11"d. I: ~;dy annual..

ThoJ"E! has always been a financial sl .. i:·11-:EWI('!I'li- U:~bl.ndl but ·Lt. i.!:; rn y undt1rstanding Lhat l:h :is i'; thE! F i. I" s i·: 1.: -;, 1 n ('! s ·i. n c r:! :1 9 'I· 9 o r· l 9 1:i 0 1·.: h H t·· No. 2S Rl301.

l · hE~ bor.tr·d hi'1S rc,la-11 y its legislation and annu;:~ · l. l"(o'pOr't C:·1S 1.~1('!1.1. . l. ·j

I) f'! d 1..1 p pr·odUCE!d Notices of Motion MR. SPEAKER: to an ·ThE! hon. the Min:ister and of Rural, A g r· i. c ul. t u r· r.t l. Developm~Hl'l:. MR. POWfR: Nor l::hE~r·n M r . s p e a k ~=! r , T g ·i IH! no t. i. c f~ i-. h r.t t: I t.u:ilJ on tornor-rot.u ask lco1ave l:o i.nl:t"oduce"' b·i.l .l., c,1nt·i.l·.lr:!d, 11 An Ac 1: Re~;pE!C 1:: i ng nw 1\]PlAiff)IIJ'ldl i'll'ld Tns 1-~i t-utE:1 Of Agronomj sts. 11 MR. ~:lPFAI<I:R : T h C! on . I !·11 ~ M i l'l'i. s 1 r;! r· oF C <Hl s ctcflP r· Affr.d l"S . MR. YOUNG : M r· . S p c'1 i'l I< c'! r· , I g ·i v e t4rilJ on Lomor'J"OIAI no 1'. ·i c c,1 l: h r:\ l: T ask leave to inlroduce a bill, r;! n 1-. 'i. 1: l. c,1 c:l , 11

An Act To Amend ThE:' InsurancE! Cocnpawi E~s Ac 1-. 11 Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Health . DR. COLLINS: Mr·. Speai<E1r, I would like t.o table t. h (o1 anSIAIE!r l:o QUE!S 1-. i.on No. l 1. dsl<ed by t. hlo! hon . t.hE:! ffil':!mber for Por· L d fc1 Cr'RIH!, i'11'ld ;:~ l. s () by l' lw ~: i'.l IT1 (,1 hon. rn ern L'HH' , Question No. Sl Orders of the Day M l~ . S U.!JM~3 : Mt". ~:lp(,1r)I<C;!I", conl:.inu:ing dE!bi'll<c1 on 0 r· cfr,H' ~~ , fl·i.l . 1. No . 1. 6 , Uw '[ n i" n r n ,,, 1 L.1302 Apr·i1 28, 1988 Vol XL. F.conolfty Couuni.ss-Lon . MR.

SPEAKER: Ot"der 4· , Btll Arnend ThE! No. 16, Tnl~~:!r'naJ II An A ci':. To E conorny Corrnniss"i.on Act. 11 The hon . the member for Forl:.unE! - Henn ·i tr:1g<:~ . MR. SIMMONS: Mr. Speaker, o p pen· t IJ n :i. 1-. y morne!nts on I am glad t.o hav~:· an to speak for a Few this bill. The two p t' 0 1.1 i. s i. 0 n !; ·i 1'1 L t. i'l r' "i. s (o1 q II L 1:: t'! directly out of the report rHJ·i:i.1:. 1 ed Tools For The Job, r.t report Hlr'll : t~Jds gr~nr,H'i~ f·od by I:: he;!

Committee on Member Services a C 0 II p 1 P 0 (" y P d I" !; i'l<j 0 , dli:·d r• E'! d by t:l'r t'! t. h EHl nr EHI'I b li:1Y' F o r· S l:: . J o h n 1 ~; :~: ,:-, ~; ·I· EX l: (! r· n ' rJJ r· r ()I'll H -j c k f! y . T had ·lhE! Pl":i.v:iJE:!~~<:1 of ~;E!I"U:in~J a~; i·hc) l)'ic:f:!· ·Chi'l 'il"lflf.Hl of th<.·\1· commi tt:~::1e. My col1E!iilguc,~ Fur· ll o n r~ u-i. s Li'l N o r· L h ( M I" . L 1 J s

h) tAli>\ ~; a member of the committee, as was t·.hc;! IIIPillb~)t' for• M<:11'l-i hf'k r'll'ld <'\~; IAIE'!F'E' other mE!TTJbE!rS, thE• gent1f:'rnan For" Port au Port. (Mr. Hodder), the g<:1ntle!man for HumbE:!r VC111E!Y (MI". Woo elf or·d) , i'l nd 1.: hc,1 g r'! n I~ l.E:!IIId n for· Terra Nova (Mr. Greening) .

We seven made t.AJh·.ich cam<;! up recommendations by !AI'i. th the cornrrdtt.E!E! a nurnbE:!I" of IAih'ich, if i. m p 1 ~~mE! n t <-:'! d a s a p a c k a g ~1 , IAI o u l d have done much to improve the operr.tlions of Lhe House and, at the samE! time, IJJould hc-.1ve gonE! a long 111ay t~OIAii.-1 rd s add r·e s s i. 11g L he:• issue of serujces available to 11Hc11flbors IAiho ;:~rr'!, ttndnr IIE:•I"Y djfficult c:ircurnstances, ,:., [·: h~ lllp ·l: i n 9 ., ..

C) rHI d r· (~ s s Hw I'HH! d ~~ i'J.nd LhE:~ rr~qu:i r'<O!rnc-)n t··s of l: hpj I" cons I· i ·i .. u r~ n 1' s . That rep or· t. , d s rn E~ rn be I" s r~ri.11. r'::1cal.l, IAii:'lS C:!SSnni·idl1y flung oul" the window by the adm:inistrdlion di': t~w i".i1no, bcct: T i'Hil pled:>Pc:l 1-o No . 2 5 Rl302

note ~hmt the report has been retrieved and a couple of the Y'E~COfTilllf'!ncli"·11 " ' i.ons -Ln "i 1-.·. <:·11'""0 bE!.i,ng ac Lr:!d upor1 :in this paJnt :i c ular· p i. E:! c c,, of l o q ·i s l .. :~ ·l· i. on . l"he provisi o n For :rr,-t- · rc~l " l"ti:tl Fc onon1y chr:~nql'!~; in C ornrn::i s s :ion l· hr:! IAIO 1~)0 l c () lfln ' .:-1 ~; Hl! '! 1.. ('! iHir:! r· !) r j· h 0 Oppos:i.~jon sa:id :in ~ > pE:!cllcing ".in l:h-i. s dc,!b<·1t:n uo:1rl ir-'! r' . Wr:!

I•IUtt-ld h;,wo flr'r,,fc~r·r·nd to hd110. ~ ; t:H:Hl the J e g j s l a ·U o n p 1n o v i d (:! f o r• l:t•JO lJH~ Hib:n· s oF l:hE! of f i. r.:-i.r:-11. Opposition, including the Opposi . t"i.on Housr:! Lr'!<~dcc!r, plus c:·1 representative of other

part l. --i_ r.1 Ill E~ n 1:: c.~ r· y g r· o ups i. n I~ h r~ H o u s c,, • of lA I h i c h IAJ E! j u s t h a v E! o n e S U C h g Y' 0 U p fl t I.Jw rn 0 I II f:Hl t . S 0 , with that in mind, I tell the gE'!rlt.l.ernan fr·o1n Men'i.hek that IAit:' would have no difficulty support..ing hi.s arn('!tlciHI(-:lnt. dS it: relates to makeup, because that atrJ(HJclrnent f:'JJibodi(!~ ; I~.Jhflt:. i. t t•.Ji:-:ts t.hC'!

LE!ader· of l:he Opposi ti.on, on b H h r:t l f of 1: he o F f i. c ·i r.1 ., 0 p p o s ""i. 1:. :i. o n , IAI E:! n t f.l'f l: c.;, r· j n t. h 1':' f :i r· s t: p 1 a c o • t o h<:-we l:: he cormniss ""i. on so consl"i.l· .t1l".nd i'!S to PI"OV:idl':! fOI" a rnE: !rnbr~r· -f1nom ~ ~ ;:~ c h p rH' 1. ·i am(,~ n hH' y 9 r· o u fl , :i.ncl ud:i.ng LtAIO members f1norn the off .. i r::i. r:·1 l 0 p p o s ·i 1: i. o n . lllfhi .lE· I c'1HI U:tll<ing in l:nJ'"' IiiS or corniJJC·Htts rnf..lde t:1i:ll"]:i(.;,r by the g<;!nll r:!llic:-11'1 fr·o1n ~IJen·i hok, 1 f'!i" lilt:!

Sc'l.y to h:i.rn thcd~ I s ubrn :il:. to h:im i:hat one , T. s 1 1 fl poi' ' i: h ·i s con c (;! r· n t: h r~ 1: l:he goj ngs on :in those rneet.:ings oughl : nol:: t.o be kepi:: fr·om Jfl('!JIIbHrs of th(-:> HousE:1, that rnornbers of the H o u s E! s h o u l d b e p r· i.

I) y l". o ~ : h o s e go:ing~; on, to thoSE! rnJ.nutE!S, as hE! char ·achH'i.ZE!S l:he111 . But. , I ~ ;ay t.o h:irn, :if 1'11':1 reads the lE!g:islation car't'!fl .ll.ly, hE~ ha s that assur·ancr:•, recdJ.y . If ~lfo! IAJou]d look at SE!Ct:i .on 1 (f) 0 f t: h E~ l. E'! g i. S 1. d t i p 1'1 h E'! IALi. 1 1. f i 1"1 cJ 1.1303 Apr :iJ 28, 1988 Vol XL. l:hc.~ pr' OI) is 'i. on !":hdt 1 On E'! lll<'!lrlbrH ' of th(;! HOUSE! of ASSE:!mbJ.y IAiho ~>:i.t.s jn o p p o s ·i t: ·i o n ·1 ·. o l:. h e q o

I) E'! r· n rn e n 1:". b e dE! s j _gnai:.r:•d frorn t.:i. mE~ ·t.o t. .in1o by IIIC!IilbHr' s oF liH~ Hou sr• o F As~; r ~ 11il ::dy tAJho soit:. Jn Oppo ~;Jl:.j_ on . . 'Tha ·l".·. p r· o I) ·i. !; i on e '' s f'! n I· :i <'1 J l y <.-1 d d r· E:! ~ ; ~:; f'! s th H po :int l:: hat tAJa s J"a:-i ~ ;E : !d by LI·Jr" 9 (! n i. l (~I'll <HI j l" 0 HI r"' (! n i.l-w k . T s (.'t y 1- (I h".im t.hat: tha t C~ddjt.:iona1 ITIHrnbr:!J", i J'l cHI r:l ·i. i·. i (In I (I H H'! 0 p p 0 s ""i. L i u 11 H o u s e L. c,, a d E:~ r· , h f:~ o r· s h r:1 h (;! :i n l":h is- pdr'i:·i Cll"."l.r:·1r' Cr.1!>C:!, s '"i. nc~'!

LhE:!I"H ar•e no pE!r·sons of LhE! fE!Jrta1rc• ~;E•x s ·i. t~ t: "i. n g o n l: ~r'L ~ ; !> i d E! o f L h 1;:! H o L1 ~ ; lc' ·- wi1l not onJ.y bE:! from tile p<::!ople s ·i. t 1: ""i. n g ·i. n 0 p p o s J. l·: i. o n , b u t. tAri. l. l. b <'! dE!Signated by t:.hE!rn, I s ubmit t.o h:i.111 th <·lt:: l~hal : dt':!s:i gnal:ion cdrr• '"i e s with it a r· c,, s pons:ibi1ity t:o h!E:!p Lhose who hr.1ue done l:he de s ignating informed. Nou1, Mr. SpE!akE!r, J.~~t lTlE! coJTJE! t..o 1". h f:! o 1·: he' r· p r' o v "'i. ~ ; i. o n i n l h J. s particular bill . I s ay to the GOVl:H'I11Jit,'nt.

House LE:!<:·1der· t.hdt I knotAJ he has a Jot of ]E!g"i.s1clt oi. on o n l" h C:! 0 r d r,, r· P <·1 p r:· r· , 1:: h e. d a y s a I" c,' gE!t.l·: Jn~1 IA!ar•rnt=!r, and Lhe l'·.1" oup s i'l !'·· e grc!l: l· ·iny r·esl-lr'!SS; i·hc•y IAJi'\1'11: +·o qt'!l. out. t.her'E! r.lnd put:. the final. l·o11che' > on l : h1,~ c~lf:'ci · i o n, dnd !>O '•IE' w o u l d h o p e , t h e n , t h a t. IAJ e 1.~d 11 d o 011r· pr:~r·l · lo bn f'!XpC:!d-.il"-LoiJS ·in l:hr:• hr.lndJ :ing of J ('!gj ~ ; ] i;~lion . l " h i ~; P·H·l · i. ct1L•n· rHw h. :~ ~; hc:HI i:-1 good go-around.

I wanted Lo have a t~lor·d or· 'l~1~1o, <'Hid lfJc:-1ybe '~lhHn +.: lvd:. Js over·, if :it Js thr:' IAJ".i ~ ;h of t.hE~ go

I) n I" n 111 e n 1·. , '~' r,, c c:-1 n 9 f' ! 1- o n Lu i 1·: h 1:: h E• job at hand and ca11 sornE! ot..hE•J" l e g "'i. s 1. "'t: ion . ll u t 1: hE~ J" e i s on t'! ot·.her po :int that I IAJiHlLE!Cl to rnai<E:! fl b o 1.1 t t·. h -i. s b j 1 l . T h r:-1 v E:! e1 l. r· E~ c:1 cl y addressed the issue of the Internr.1l Economy Cornrni ss l on . The ol:h~ : !r ' po i. nl.: r IAidnl::ed to Jllc!tkc'! relates to Socti.on 3 . I reFer tho Jfl"ini.sLer to ~ : ; e ct. ·ion 3. He IAJoulcl be farnili.ar wi.th it, of cour s o . Sect i on 3 of th i s b 1 l.l. prov i. des No. 2 S 1n 303

II ' JC~I 1 !'ll~c1ion?. shH1.1 cn1nr~ ·inl:o for ·c c,, .intrnE:!d.idt-.(,11Y afi·:.EH' Lh~' d .. i.ssol.ttl.i.on oF l:hr:! r·or·l . iE'!Ih CEHH~l"al A~;sE>.mbJy. 1 Cer·ta.inly lAJe h<:·\ue no i'lrgltrnenl: tAli l··h l·.hi'lt. as ·i 1-. relates to

Section 2 alone, bE~C~\tt~;e i 1.: lAJOUld SC:H'!lll l':O 1]](,1 i':hat. I he mochanisrn of pr·ov:idtng for an ·i n d C:! p ~1 n dE'! n t. co rnrrl"i. s s i. on I~ o adjudicate the matter· of membE!rs 1 salaries can only be triggered tAri t. h t h e h o 1 d :i n g of a no t h E! r g C·HHH' a 1. e 1. e c 1: 'i. o n , s o t h c:\ t. S e c ·t. i. o n 3, it seems to me, is r:1minE!ntly sens i.bl.~::1.

B u l: w h r.t t. i·: h r,1 ,:·\ c ~- s C::1t,1tll s 1- o b t1 s'.iJent on, and maybE! the rninistE>.r C<Hl hr,1l.p rnr->. on H1is ·i.F he~ I'Jollld T c)lnt Joolc:ing for· thC::1 atl::ent-.ion of I he gc:!nl·.lorndn fo1n Crdnrl Fd11 s (Mr·. ~):i I'IIIIIS) r (,l r· f.\ rnortH"! n t' 111lhE:1l"E:~ ·.is :i I i n I h r~ <:·\ ci·· I h i:\ l . s <:·\ y !; ·H·1 (! t" r~ u\ s 1· T F C t,~.rj l J b r:1 t 1" j g g C::H' r'! d ? T h C::! c om :i n g ·i. n I 0 F

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C) r 1. h (~ () L h (! r• s H c I: i 0 1'1 s of th:·is r.~ct j~; no ·l: t:~ddr'C::1SSE!d hE:1r'E!, i.s ·i 1 ? MR. ~)TMMS: No. l he new TEC (in~udibJ~) . MR . SIMMONS: EXi'lctly, yc:1s . Mf~ . SIMMS: (Inaudible) . MR. SIMMONS: No, r just found i.t unusut:'ll. there is no pr·ovision in tbe e'i.tbC::H' thi~l i.l·:. lAJOUl.d COlTlf~ for'CE! on proclamation or on def i.n i. !::E! . MR. SIMMS : (Trtcwd:ib1E!) . r-'!R.

STMMONS: +:hat act, ·i n 1·: o date So Uw ·i.nh:Hli· of Uw ct d n 1 j n :i s I ,. · i:l ·1. :i o n o n 1: h :i s rn e~ t. 1:: C:1t" :i s I o i lltp-1 Htnr:!n 1- l hn t'P.1:i:'\~; I Tn'l:nr'IVt-1 Eco11ortty Conun:issjon t"E'!dSCHidbly soon? I 1 3011 Apt":i.J. 28, 1988 Vol XL r~r~. ~nMw; : After proclamatjon . MR. SIMMONS: Yus . T hr,• b:i.l"l ·is s:ilr:!nl .·. on thdl:: particuJ.ar rnatl::er. MR. SIMMS: Thclt i.s the intt=!nt . MR. SIMMONS; Okay. I thank the minister. Mr.

Speaker, I suppor·t prouisions in l::ho bill.. indicated to the House, I b E~ r;! n i n lJ o 1 lJ P d ·i n deliberations on them and those As I haVE:! SOt'nE! I arn h•'IPPY dS ono lflE~rnbHr' of that. erstwhiJ.e committee.

I arn glad 1·: h i'1 I' <:-\ l· -, H i'.'l ,, L 1:1~10 0 F t.I·H:· rr'!Cornrn~~ ndat:ions hdVE! br,'E•n ernbt···acf:•d <:~nd <H' t·'' nr::I•J bt:! ·inq :i lltp1r:!llll'•nl :. ec:l, tAr.it.h Lhr'! passagr,1 oF th:is p·.iecE• of lr~g i.sl ~~ L: .. i on. 1\Jot•J, Mr·. ~3pr:1d !< f'!t', :r s 11 ppo ~; E~ o nP nec~ds to r·eflt•ct fot" a ntontE:!t'd on ,;utothnr· t:·\SFH'!t;i· of th · i"~ par·l-jct.t-lar· debate . I watched with some c:I''L s 111 c:\ y l. d ~; 1·. I'Jf:! e k 1.. he p e t" r::- u r· 1 n fl n c t"! of i:hE! gE!ntlE!tniHl 1.11ho is t.he M i. n 'i. s 1:·. (:! r o f F d 1.1 t: a L ·i o n ( M r .

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n) and the one who is the Min-ister of H ~~ .:·\ l. t h ( Dr· . Co ll i. n s ) , and IAJ E! r· E! UtE! y :i. n the Chamber I tAIO u ld I:. a k E• SUIIW t.irnt! l:o makE~ SOlTH~ COtrtrneni::S in relation to 1.uhat thE!Y haVE! said. ~5 i. n c <-:' t. h e y a r• ~~ n o 1~ h <-'! r t'! r s h a l l forego ·that at the motnE!nt., E:1XCE!pt 1".0 sRy t-:hr.'1l .. T t:ho1t1:3ht t·.hc,1 M-.ini.sl::c~ r of Education 1 s heart was not in it lH~r·y tnu c h, Hnc:l Uw M i n·i s I"C'!Y' oF He a 1 t h , at U. mE! s , did no t 1 o o I< 1:HI"r· ·i.b1y cornforl · ablc,~ I~J:il : h t~Jhi'lt hE'! was doing either.

And when you r· wF 1. r,1 c: L o n s o 111 f:! o F -1': h H l· h i. n q s I'H'! t.uas doing, you rc,,ali:zc:> why hE:• t.UC:\S no ·l· lJI'!r'y c:omFor·l:t:~b-1 ::! . flu-!: dl:Ji:·l in T IAJOUld Joii<E! t.O say 1:.1'H:!SE! l:: h :i ngs rTIC:\1'1 I 0 lll<:'l n ' F (•\ c (! I· 0 r d r: C! ' s!) r s h ':'l "I l r·(~~;tr·a:i.n rnys(~]f Ft"OI'Il ~;aying t·.hPrrt 1'1 OIJ.I; J d lfl S II r· 1:! i: h H r· H t.~J'i ·1 ~~ J:) !'! No. 25 Rl304

another occasion. W i l.: h t h a I" , M r· . S p e a b~ r , T L•Jrol n t. +: o :i n d i c a L ~~ l. hat l s up port l.: hE! b i 11 mnd T c'llll dE!li.ghl::ed 1-:o ~;e1-~ i . l-: hr:!r'~'!. Insofar· as tho Int.el"naJ.

Economy Colnrn.i.ss Lon fll"OLJ"i.s·i on is conc~~l"n~~d it :is a cornpl"orn:ise, and T t'('!fl~'!i'11: l.:hi.·\1: (, dnd ~..w -i.n 1-hc,~ Off:i c:ial Oppos:i.t:'ion, t.uou1d have pr::d"C'!r'r'()d Uw pr·opos<:~l r ·i_r•s1· p111·_ by 1-h~~ I. c,~adet" of th~~ Oppos:i t:i on tHid I he one~ no1.~J etnbod i , c,~d in l:hn arnE~ndniEHJt- t-o be->. put for·t,Jard by the 9lHJI-lf~lflrHl rr' OIII MCHl"i,hf)k. Ot-her·t.u:is(->., lJ.Je think :it is a good b i.l.l . T I hi. n k so <~ s IAJf'! ·1 ·1 , r:~ n d '"rill be happy to support it. at thE! ;:~ fl prop r· i.c:1 l:c:! 1: t lrlf~ . MR. DlNN : Mr·. Spc->.f.lker·. MR.

SPEAI<FR (Pc1rsons): The hon. thE:~ Min:iste!r of MinE!S. MR. DTNN: I thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker·, I rise:' today to speak on thi.~; anlendmAnl-- . t:o 1-:h:~ Tnl:.er•ni·1l Economy Commission Act because I t:hink i.l·_ "i.s r:\ v~~r·y i.lnpor•lr·\n -1: r'tnd enlightened piece of legislation; i I~ protJ i.dr:!s dn oppor1:un i_ ·l·y for· niE:~rnbe->.r·s or t. hc-:~ Opposit:.Jon to sit on Ulr:-1-1: COIIIIII·iss "i. on and l:o SPG bas-.icaJly t~Jhat Js going on t.u-.iLh rc~spAcl: 1- o 1-- hc~ opor·al:'iun of lh(~ House.

T have never· be~'n ver·y s'l:r·ongly in f;:-wotlr' oF LJery lflAI'l'J cornru:il.tr:H~s 'l:hcd: iH'e->. cllmosl: hc,~Jd :in sr"!Crl;! I·; I li kn l:o sen 1:h i.ngs donn 'f cd r· J y o p e n J y , cHI d l: h ::i. s :i s r.~ n o t h H r· rn o lH'! i. n ;- h a 1: 11'i. r f~ c 1: --i. o n . Wt' lv1 v (o! gone ;:-1 1 on g IAJi:-1 y time that I have been CH)l;! r· 1·. h 0. in Ut:i. s 1-1 o 1 1 s e of A s s c,1 rn b l. y tAJ L 1:: h r· ("! s p e c t f-. o making l:.h.-ings morE! public and b r· j_ n g i. n g t. h (;! rn 1no r· c,, l n 1:-. o t. h t'! o p C'! n .

I remember Workers' CompensatJon, fOI" f~xarnpl.E:~, I:: he;! changes t.hi":lt IAHH'f.! L1305 Aprtl 28, 19H8 Vol XL put -L n 1: hE'! r· f:! tAri. 1-: h r· E! s p f'! c l:: 1:: o lJ.Jorker representatives on the Workers' Compensal:-.Lon Roard so thc;•y cou1cl SE!E!, bc-:ts-.i.caJ.J.y, hotAI il .. op~'!r'<'ll--r'!S, dnd f'!rnployt'•r· l"epi~E!SE:'ntat:l.vE!S on l:: hE!

Boa1"cl bncdtiSC'! l''lllp1oy(:!l"!; t~JUJ"e Pi'ly --ing ihlc' shot and a lot of t·: hE! cornpla ·.i nLs '•JC"!r·r~ c:nntnr·c~d r'lt'OIInd 1--.h{,, fdcl --_ f:hi"'ll:: t h E~ y Y' e a J J. y cJ :i d l'l 0 t k n 0 IAI lA I h Cl t IAI C.'l S r3o "i. ng n n l,\J i. I h H1n Ofll'! r·r:d: ·i u n .

T. think thc->.y ar·e bc"!Com:i.ng rnoi"E• i:l1·_1"1.n1P.d -1-:o ~~Jot·ker·s' ColrtPC"!nSi:·\'1:: ion I'IOW iHld dCCOpt th(~ char·gc->.t~ mOI"P. 0 b IJ i. o 1 1 s 1 y , IAI h e n I: h f'! r· r:-1. {- P s g o u p thPy complain l:iko anybody else, l:)ltl· <'It l.o<:·\S l: no••J t : h~'!Y hi:·we representatives there who can d (! 1-: f'! r· rn ·j n (~ [·: h r:~ 1: 1- h r,~ f f'! ~:! s c h a r· (3 ('' d are basical1y those fE:~E!S that· . t..L.Joi.1l Ft ll o tAl p c,~ o p l e 1--. o b e l o o I< e cl a F 1-.: C'! r· ·i. n the event of industrial acc ide nt or· deat:h. J l:h·Lnk I: hat ·i s d good thi.ng.

This hE!rE! is anothE!r rE!forrn IAJhi. ch allows for· pc~opl.('! t•Jho oft.l''n just-_ sit back and tJ.Jonder, t.uhy have I to l. ·j lJ E:~ i n 1-- I·J'i s l. .i.-t: +-1 n 0 f f i c H i'H'! I"(,'? Why do I not helVE! my own off':i.CE! Fl nd ttiY OIAJn s ~=! c r·e li:·\ I" y? T I" l'!

I riC'! tnb c:• r· ol n 1 9 7 S , IAJ h E! n I IAJa S i n t h E! br:1Ckbonch r:-lnd, i.·\~ ; r:·l lllf.'ll--_i· l'!Y' uf fact, responsible for the office dot~Jn li'lf)r'r'! !•Jhnn l'ni.Hl'J of i· he MilAs tAJ('!rt-:' out of t:OtAJI'l, back -.in t:hr;!-.i.l" dis1:r-i .ch; d11r·ing l · : hr~ ~)urrtiiiPY', l operated the off.-ice down there and l-.l-1 C:! r· () t~Jf) r· f~ rl

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f) t'l c ·i C'! s t-. h fHl <:-Htd T am sure there are dPf:icJencies now. Now, obv-iously, :in Ute par·l--idlrtenh:H'Y sy~;t-.nm yo11 C:iHl only go so far . Th(~r~~ 'is such a thJng <'lS Cdb"i.nol: sf:!cr·ncy <.'ll'ld 1 -.: h.:~t: kind of thing, and I think these are ·[-- h() k--i.nc:ls or t.h·Lngs t-.hr't1-·. hduC;! to r·Ennain, but fr·orn thE! pcd.nt of v-.iE!I/J of 1·:h1-) opc->.r·ai·.:.Lon of th~:! ~lol.tc''~ of A~>SE!mbly it shou1d havE• beE!n done years ago, thdt. people in Opposition sat on that Cornrn.iss ·i.on. T i'-llrt gl.F1d 1-:hi'lt l::hl'! No. 2 5 R1305 ~ ..

r· l:! p or t Too 1 s for· b e e n I" ~1 ~; t.tt" , .. 11:1 c t c~ d <:.t n d the Job some of hds l·: h (c1 r· ~~ r: o 111111 n n d"' t :i. o n ~; :iiiiP l (o!l'il(~ n l. Pel . be-:! i ng Tf1~~ LE:!c.tdc~t" of' t·l·lc'! Oppos:it:ion 'is l (~ d

l) i. n 9 '1-. h C'! 1-1 () 1.1 s lc1 . T h i.·l li ::! i.·l f I·'!IAJ conJtiJen'l ~; IAL.i t.:h r·espec L to t .he COIIIfrt~'!I'Ji:s he~ lfliHIC:! las 1:: IAII::H~k, i.Hld J would lJke him to be here for thoSE! COIIJHJC:1nts. T dlil de::1l.Lghl-~~d with this new reform, where we hdVC:1 r.\ COtnrni.tl:. ~~ l'lOIAI SEd:. Lip, Whi.ch will run the House of Assembly and t:hH oper·at.'Lons of tne:1mber•s, IAihi.c:h will have representatives and mernber·s of I: he Oppos 'i.l 'i.on on i. t. I am sure the Opposition will opc->.nl t.e Ud s Fi:l i.rly. Tlw hon .

Opposit:ion Hous11:1 Leader is on t:he COITIII'l'i 1'.: h~O Hncl T i:·llll SI.IY'C~, as l: hP I e d dE~ I" of !-I'll'?. 0 p posit i. on s a :i d , lhl-11. l:hoy IAJi.ll F-l -ip i:l co ·in c:·lnd ntdi<E~ ~;ut"E.~ that t:.he ot.hE!r' pcu·ty :jn I h (,1 H o 11 s r~ i s r· q>r· P s e n 1: n d o n i' h i ~; c:onmr:i U.·E:H-'!.

J s11pposo :looked r..tt ·iF YOI ,I Tools l 0 0 k (! d .:~ ·1- "i {· for the Job ;:·lnd r.lnd i:hn I'(:!COIIIliiC'!I'lC:I. :~I · - ions -in i:l'lfH'f:!, j'OII ru:-i g h t IAir .. ll'l t to put a I" e. p r· E>. s E~ rl'i: at i v ~' or ('!dCh pt.·lr'i ·y on l:hr~I"O. flltl • T Lh'.ink IAI(o! hav<o• to b<c1 cai"E!fU] LI1E:1re i'l s I~J f'! 11 i I:H~ c i'~ II s ('! y 0 u HI i g h t 11 C:•l l) (~ ;:~ Liberal Party representative, you rni.ghl: hi-"tJE! i.·ln i.nc:IHpc,1nd~1nl:.

I_Jb(:!rr.ll P a r· t y r· E• p r· E1 s E! n t a t j_ v E! o n t: h e r e , a n N D P r o p r· C:! s c,1 n 1:. i.~ l 'i lJ ~~ , ;:~ n i. n d ('! p Col n d cc1 n t PC Party representative, and eventucl.l1y t.he cornmi.t.Lc-'!<:1 gt.;!ts r.1 l:it.t.lE:1 b:it big. MR. TULI<: How about (i.naud ·i.bl.

e) party? MR. DTI\JN: You IAIOU] d havE~ a 11c,11 1 of a party i.n l:h<,1 Hoi.ISE• tht-'!11, Mr. Sp(~r-lkr~r· . T ofl·:en t•Jondnt~ no•~1 ho1~1 SOiiH'! thco!S~:· J.c,,g:i~;J<~Lui"P~; 9l'11'.: along d-11 t · hr~ d ,iFfC:!Y'f'!rll • ljr'OIIflS i" hOy 1~ri t. h :i n t. h o s c,1 1 (o! g :i s J a I' u r· e s of w'.i. t h hi·l () (~ Lo 1. 1306 \)o I X t Y Cll 1 h <'1 tJ e I h n ~) p n i.'t k !'! r· d n cl +· h l" DE:1puLy Spe:1akco!Y' on Lhe Comn1j . ss:ion dilrl l':I~JO lfll:!lill:>r'!Y''> oF Cr:·\b i I'll'! t ..

Obv:i .ous1y, thE• rnon~'!Y i~; ~1o·.i.ng l:.o hc:\tiO i" O COIIIC~ ri"Oiil SOITH:!t•JhC'!I"~ : •, c:'t1'1d some:>body shou].d bE~ therl'! IAiho o p (~ r "' t: H i. n i: h <:1 -i. n n ('' r c .1. r· c l. ('' ~;. o F government to rnake sure that money is t.h~H·e for t.:h(:• HouS(! of Assc,,mbly to operatE!, and that is obv:iously 1~1hy . ~~~~~ IAIOI.Il.d havr::1 Ci:Ab·in<'!t represented, then. AN HON. MEMBER: Why have tiAIO? MR. DINN: The reason probably why you haVE! 1'.1~10 !) 1'1 t h !'! r• Cc1 ·i S b !'!

C d U S E:! l. h "! r• (' c:'l I" E! not a lot of Li.TTIE!S you IAL'\.11 ~~et Li•JO or· l : hr·r.~r:• Cdbinr:>( Mi.n'i.si- .IH'S in l:.own for· a11. t.hf.:1 ITIE~~:d: .ings, so l· hHrr'! i <; i'l good chc:-tnc:H l:.h;:-~·1·. i·.:hey will not always be there. l'hl'! Hn11sn l . r· ~·:-tdcJ", l hn Oppos ·i t. ion Hou~;e L(~acJE:1r and a rnPrnbE•r· of i··. h~,· Oppo~; · i · l · ion.

T: Llr ink lh t·l'i: hr:-1s lh1:! makings of a r'<c1c\1 good Cornrn:i.s s ·ion , dnd T 'i:h ·ink il· cc:·ln r·un pr·et·l .. y IJ.tell. r·~ r . ~l p 1'1 i:-1 k r,1 r , g o lHH' 1'1111 o n 1-: <.1 b v i. o u s l y took a lot of t:ime t.o dE!tE•r·rn:irH:! IAih d '1: S h 01.11 cJ g 0 i l'l t. 0 1:. h (;! S E! amendrnE!nts and, I th:ink, camE! up tAri. 1: h , .. h C'! be s t o F b o 1 .. h 1.110 r· l d s , .if you IAiant.

The!re u1as cornrnun'icati.on b~ck and forth between the Prerni.er, the Leader of the 0 p p o s i. 1: i. on an cl 1'. he L (,1 d de r· oF t. he NeiAI Dennocratic Party, and IAIE~ earn(:! up , ... ri.i·:.h l::h:i.s a1rwnci1nl,1nl· . . T. am gldci we c:l'i d . There are other reforms in that r'<'!pOr"l:, Tools for the Job, HH'Ii'. we possibly cou1d look al. I hopo IAJ(~ g r.:. t c:·lr' ()I I n d i'. () t h r.d·. d ~; IAH'! '1 L ' M r· . Speaker, because Lhore are oiher , .. h i n g ~; ; n 1: h f~ , .. e I· h .:·1 ,.. r 1- h i n k n 1':! \'! d addr'E!~;s:ing, not: t·he .lr'!ctSt of No ? 1) rn 306

t.uh:i.ch, of cotJr'SE!, is how mE:lmbers opHr·at .e. As i:.h<cl h(~ad · -Lng for· t:h<;! t"E!por·t is Tools For thE! Job, gtVE! t.hE'!ITI i::hH 1-:ools l··o do Lhe job Lhe1 t. t:hr'!Y l'lE!E'd to do on bE:1half of l:het1n const i . l · : u~1nl· ·.s. T h (;! m <;! m b E! r· f u r R o n ;:·\ t) .i. s !··. c:\ N o r· i-_ h , J kno1~1, j s going tht"ough c"l pt"E:~t.ty l> (!! tJ f'! r· r~ 1:. i ITifcl r i g h 1: n 01~1, as h o d ~i d be for· E'! c! n d , iY-1 s c\ mat-!-.: e r of f act, Mr· . Spr~.:-~kc:!t ' , w<:o~s onr~ of l·ho lli('!WbE:H's 1~1ho r·<;!sjgn(~d to go back to his ·ForJIHH' pr·of,~ss·ion.

T t~J.:HJ1· i·o 1~1atch 111y phr·cJ.ses h<cll"e. I I"E:HTH?.rnber· ~;,Y.~yi.ng 1 f"onnor· pt·'ol 7 os~; ion 1 oncr~ befot"< '! :in ·H1<,1 House a rnentber· tore RCY'OSS 1-.hr:! HOIISf'! r:-\fl:l'!r lilP., ~~nd l 11reant· no morE! by it HHHJ than I do I'IOhJ nur· l·he hon llll~lflbl ! !r ' For· Ronav:i!~'ti.~ Notnth l(~Ft Ll'tE! HouSE! of A l> s E~ m b 1 y . H r~ L s a v ,., 1 11 n d contributor to this House of Assombly, ho conl ·: r'i.bu·I :E!!S VIH'Y IAH;! l l to the debates and to the CJ u E! s tl ons i'lrld so on. T IAJr.l s !> <H'I" y t.o s E!e him go, and I am glad to see hLm back here. T hope the l'lE!Xt.

E!lE:1ct:lon, of course, he dOE!S not. hi:'IV(~ ,,, lol: of s ucc~~ ~;s , I:JE:!Cai.IS (.~ we would ltke to defeat htrn at the p o 1. 1 s , o b v i. o u s l. y , b E! i. n g p a r· t .i. s a n . Out n1aybe:1 he:1 IAI:i11 refor·rn, himse!lf, c:~nd join anol :: hc::1r pol.i.t.i.u\l par·i:y. Mr·. to ~3pc::~t.·lkl:!r, I what lh<c1 IAJO 111. d 1. ·i k f'! ~ : 0 l.(:1 ad e r· of 9f'! 1·. the Opposi . l-. i.on h;:~c:l to Sc'\Y '1.:-u;t: I~JE!r,lk tAd t h r· E~ spec t to h :i. s sa 1 a r· y , and h E:1 'i. s h ,:q IJ in g d h a r· d 1·: ·j II He~ .

T 1~10 111 d '.1 :·i k f~ t o ~~ a y t h r.1 t h E:~ d r· C:HAJ a cotnpdr ·i son UJdi· :r do no ·l: i··h ·i nk cdn br:1 cit"i'HAJI'f. The L(~!i'.ldet" of l:h<-'! PC Pr.trt-:y hr;!t ' r,~ gol : s a si ·.-i. pr:! nd l:r·orn 1-:ht=! PC Par·ty, tMI1 :.ich -.i s basoic;:~JJy Cc'Xfllc~nsos on l:whr"lF oF t-:he P•'1r·l-:y, and t hE!Y dwtf:n·ndnE!d Lhat. to bE! $6 , ()()() •'I y t' IH' . MR. TUI_K : F r· o rn 1~1 h E:• r· e ? MR. DTNN: L1307 Apr·i .l 28, 19BB Vol XI_ From the PC Party . I think t.hcd: is r'E!asonablE!.

T hai': i.s Jl.l s l-. .:-1 r ' f ~c:1soni:-lblH e x p e nse'! l·: hnt: the:1 Pt"E!ITliE•r, lAJho happ (!ns t:o b e L edc.ic;!r' of t:he PC f' i'H' t:y, gc,11 : ~; on things as they relate to the PC P c:\ r· L. y . r1 n d r do n u 1: , .. _ h i. n k i : h cit t: cornpar'E! S i-lt. all, I r·eally d o not t·.h "i n k i I·· COHipt:-H'f'! S i'\ t all t·.o somEd:JOdy cor11ing in to. b e J.eaciE!Y' of '" p<·H· 'I y r.tnr:l gf~ U . i ng $:1 ?. ':) , 000 in the- b f>. goinning and thr'!l'l, C\ S h'.l.s <; r.1 "l d r· y 9 U (! ~; II fl c·l ~; t:-1 l" f'!

S Ill I: 0 f h i.tfl b e:1 c o rn i n g a m E:HTI b E:'r' of t h o H o u s E:1 of (1 ss ntnb l y •'1r1d I e dd C!I" or t h('! Oppost L:i.on, the par· t:y thing g o:i ng d ot~Jn , •Hld ii-· ·i s s l .. _ 'i: ll .:d ·. s cnnE!!IAJh ~ =! r· P at" ound $50,000 . I think I hE!r'Ccl :i. s q 1.1 -i. 1: H '-" rl i i ~ F r'! r r:! n c r:! h r:! r· C:! . C i:1 1 s o b elieve Lhat there is something r· .:·\ d L c i'l -, 1 y lAir' 0 n g I

A) i 1:: h t h r·l 1:: (•\ ~; ~.~ s ystem, ju st as c\ lli E~ rn bE!r' o f tol'w House~ of Ass E'!Htbly. NOIAJ, l : hE~ \clxpl.~·\nr.\1-:ion For' hot.•.J ·l .. _hE• cheqUE! arrives, I mE:1an, lAIE!! hav f:! t:o -l:i:,\kc;! IJ.Jhi'1t hon. lllf~illbE!I"S s-1:-.c:tl:.c'! as factual information, but I w'.l.ll s1-1y l":hi'l 1-. T F-ind ·it· d j fF i.cu 1 t:. ·r·h\'! I.E~<.'tci(;!r' of !-:hi'! Oppos-Lt. · .. i. on sc~id, 1 I d:i.d not tMant t.o run For· load (~ r· s h-i_ p o f 1: h (' ! I -i be r· c:·1 1. Pat ' t y . 1 0 n e of the r e a s o n s IAJC\ s t he r E! '"m s no 1: (~no 11 g h tno n (~ y 1:: h t'! r· E! .

Apparen t ly what happE!ned wa s ·i· h o 1 1 s 1-1 n d s o F -, -i b n r· ,,, 1 s ''' p p r· o a c h (:! d h:i.rn and scdd -· AN HON . MFMBER : ( fndttd-:i . bl r=!) . fJ!f~ . DTNI\J : Well, that j_s g<,11::Li.ng peopl(c1 . IAihat . by hE! !>a :i d, h \0! o:i s 1-:hOI.I S cHlr.iS of - t housands of L ~i . ber·aJ. s a ppr·oa c ~w