) . . OF THE . ouse o DURING THE SECOND SESSION OF THE .. Twenty-Seventh General Assembly · OF ' NEWFOUNDLAND \ 1930 MANNING & RABBITTS, Printers, Prescott Street, St. John's, Newfoundland, 1930. •

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.. .. • ... . PROCEEDINGS of the House of Assembly of Newfounland SESSION 1930. Began · and· horl.d,e-n at St. Jo'hn'•s, in the 1said Dominion · 0 '11 Wed· n,els·day the T've:nty~eig·hth Day - ·of M1ay, An·no Do1mini, Ni.n1ete1en Hurndr, el d ~an, d Thirty being in the twe,nty-first Ylear 10f the Reign of His Maje,slty, Our Soverign Lor·d, Ge·or~e, , by the Graee 1 olf G·o·d, of th~ e Unit'e'd Kingdo~m ,of Gre1at B~ rit­ ain . an'd Ireland a· n,d o.f th, e British , Dom·inions be·yo· n· d the Seas, King De­ feil · d·er ·Of th· e Faith, Emperor o, f Inld-ia . .. "\VEDNESDAY, May 28th, 1930.

His Exee •llencJY the Go·ve'rn'o1r . h·av­ . ing fix·ed th1 e ho·u-r · h1 e ·pri O IP·OS·Hd to open the .prese .nt Sle,s:sion of the L· e1gis-. latur-e a't th· r,ee o'clock in th, e aru:eT- n. o·on o,f thi· s w . e, d. nl els·dlay, t· hl el tw~ e,nty­ eigllth da. y of Mtay in,s{ant, th·e. me:m­ ber.s of 1the. H.ou.se 1of A~ ss~ embly m'e't in· tl1e Ass'e'mlbl: y Ro·om at · a quar , t·er to · threte 'in :th'e · a~fte.rn· oon w·hen Mr. S f·e,a~l\: 8(r: 1t•OIOtk th'e •Ch'air.

At thr·e'e o·f the clock a m 'es,sage fro1n1 His Exee~ller nr cy the· G, o,ve(rnlor \Va1 s deliv ,erHd 'by th~ e G·erntltelma:n U,s•h,er of the Black Rod, commanding the im­ n1e,dia1te att.e : n. d.ance O 'f Mr. Sp·elak,e-r and tl1e Hous 13, in th·e Le1 g·islative CI()Un,cil. VWl· e'r·eup,o~n Mr. Spea .ker an1 d the Hou1 s· e .atrte~n~ ded Hi's Excell ·en'cy in the ·~ c· ounci' l Ch.rum1ber; 'an·d b~ e1ng ~e1turn1 ed rto th· e .A!s1 s.emblly Room 's, M'r.

Spe:akeT in, ~o· rm, e·d th'e H,ou: s· e th.at wh·eon irn at­ tendan 1ce up·on Hi.s Exee~ Il~ en, cy in th· e Coun ·ciL C·ham· b·er·, His Exeell 1en·cy had bee· n ·pl,eas·ed to· ; m. a·ke· a gTi a.cilous spele,ch to both bran 'ches ' of th'e' Le,gis­ latur~e, a cotpy of whioc'h for gr, e,a;ter a~ ccuT· acy 1he ! h,ad 'Obtain,e rd, .and th•en rHad to ~th~ e H·ouse as foll 'O'W'S ': , His Excellency Sir John M~ddleton, J{night Commander of the Most Ex· cell:ent Order of tile British Empire, Com]la.nion ol the lllost Distingtiish­ ed Order of St. Michael and St.

George, Governor and Commander­ in-Chlef in and Over the Colony oi N e1vfoundland, at the O}Jening of the Second Session of the Twenty. Seventlt Gener ,al Assembll '" of Ne,, ... fottndlaJtd, begun and holden at St. ,John's, w .ednesday, the 28th day of lllay, 1930. ~IR. PRESIDENT AND HONORABJ;E ~IElliBERS OF THE LEGIS­ LATIVE COUNCIL:

4 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCI E,~DINGS · iliR. SPEAKER AND ME~IBER. S OF TilE HONORABLE HOUSE OF ASSEJllBLY: It gives me pleasure to welco1ne V9U . to the Secon · d Ses;sio.n of the TwentY-., seventh General As1sembly. T hi~ gatherin 1 g hol· d's a featu 're that is sign,ifi,cant. For the first time in tl1e l1istory of the Col,ony the electors of a District ~have chosen a vvoma~n to re­ v resent them in the Legislature. Tr1is advance i~ s i'n aceofldan ·ce wi'th the tra;d'itions 1 of tl1e Imperia l ! Parliament, \Vhere women have o.c.cupied seats ' as legisl~atoT' S for ma,ny years.

Our thoughts d'uring the last few months l1ave been with tl1e represent­ atives of tJhe five Nation . s assem!bled in Lon1;:f,on to con·sider the ques ition of Naval Dis,armament T.he Lon~ don Naval TTeaty h:as been .sj1gned .by the deleg .ates of the five powers, while an TJ1e Soutl1 West Coast Disastet· On the 18th day of Noven1lber last thls Colony had the ' Untts~ u' al experi­ ence of an Ea·rthquake Shock, W.hic1J.1, however, did little 1naterial .da,mage.

About two anr d a half hours after this sh~o~ ck, a tidal wave ~of su,bstantial PT'O 'P'ortion t s visite~ d the south-ea ·st portion of Burin Penins ·ula taking a toll of twenty-seven lives an1 d caus1nls extensive destruction to l1ou·ses, fisih­ ing property, boats an· d gear, estimat­ ed in value a{ over One Mlilllion Dol- lars. My Ministers took i'm1n1edi,:1te meastlres to relieve the sit·uatio 1n, a.nd a stea1ner was desp .atched at o·nce to the s1cene of tl1e di.sa:Ster witQl doctor'S ', nurses, food and buildi~n~g su~pplies.

Sy1npathy was shown for the suffer­ ers, an~ d asStistance given by Otlr frien - d, s an~ d ne' i,gh,bors l , while o·ur own peop;}e over the length an~ d breadth of agreement for substa~nrt:ial reductio,ns New~ound; lan~d contributed gen~erotl·sly l1as also been concluded betvveen to the Relief Fun·d, 'vhich a. m~ounts to Great Britain, America an! d Jap'a·n. abotit one-quarter Mi1Ii,on Doll lars .. Tl1e mor.al, political an~ d economic re- T·he 'Committee appointed to dea.l with suilifs of this Conferen 1ce exceed the t 1 he results of this disaster have wor'k- provision 'S: of thes · e d~·ocuments.

Tl1e · ed willingly anld effe ,ctively, and. , aided co~ming together of the representa ,tives by the Govern. men~, wi11 l endeavour to of the~ se Nations has hel,ped to remove place the fisl1ermen in a position to suspicion, misu1nderstan tding and con­ sequent friction. An· informed t~Jnd active pulblic opin ·ion; is essentially nece-s's1ary to aehieve di.sar1 m'ament. The Lea·gue of Nations , is1 sl~ owly y~rinnin l ~ its way in it's efforts to deal 1TTith the comnlex modern p~olblems f8 cing the "\\~or1d.

It is of · ilnestim .able VRlue to hq,ve the lea~ ding statesmen an~ d exper 'ts fro11n so many Nations nl.r'etin 'g around the conferen rce table a r d . di· s~ cu · ssing with motderation and o·0 r•d .feeling tl1e question · S I that con­ f',.f'nt then1. The know'led ,ge of the rl.ifficulties of eaeh eountrv run· d a re­ cno-nitinn of the res,po;nsibilities w.hich ea Gh has to bear will ten'd to beget fr:::t tern a I symp·athy an,d m·utual un- rl e r standing. prosecute his v:oeation as i1n other • years. Econon1ic Sit11ation Satisfactory The econ ! o,mic .situation .Ja·st vear v was s.atis 'factory.

The catch of codfish . wa.s not qllite up to the ave~~ a~ ge, but as the price was g:ood, the fi· sihermen di·d. not suffer .. The export of .pulp an rl raner s:hows an in,cTease otf over 30,000 ton ~ s 1vitl h an increased v~l1 tle of $1,300,000. T.he productio · n· from all mines onerated "ras valued at over · $4.000 000, of which the n1.ine at Bu·ch.ans represented one an1 d a atlart­ er Milli :on Dollars1. The exnor.t of i~ron ore fro . m Bell Is1land was stl'ig11t1v tJ 11rlPr tb e otlan 'tity of the previous year, ·but the value was pr~acticall' y tl1e sa111e. • • ) , •,

' • . ; . { • HOUSE OF ASSE:viBLY PROC1 Ea~~DINGS 5 • Tha· t the fina~n: cial situati!o~n of t'he peeple generally 1has in11proved is slllo,vn by the decrease effected by the Dep'a'rtmen ,t of the Coloni ,a.l Secretary in; expenditure on alble-bod ,ied ·po,or relief. Two years , a·go the exJenditure un.der 1this hea· d amou ·nted to $260,000; for the fis'cal year 1928-29 the am,ount \v1as $128,000, wh-ile for the fis.cal year end.i'ng next Ju·ne the expenditure will be 2l b·out $90,000. Favoratle Trade Balance T·he trade b,al'a, n,ce in fa,vtour of the c~ o~ony for the fis,cal year endi '

n) g J tune 30t'h, 1929, 'vas $7,560,000, the ilmports durin~ g that period an1o~ \ ti~n. g . to $29,230 .000, an: d the ex·por1ts to $36,- 7rO.OOO. The total tra;de of the Colony for that fiscal year was · $66,000 000, being $5.000 090 in excess of the total tra,de in the previous fi1scal year.

The re-organization of tl1e Dep.art­ Inent of Publlic Health, a 'S iub-depart­ Inent un,der t'he Col,oc:J.iall Secretary, hws, thro ·ugh re-arra .ngement of the a~ dministration of 'hos:pita· l and medJcal S'ervices to the sick poor an,d by s;ne.cial suipervision of these un d·er­ takin ·gs, been able to effect economics in expenditure totalling al)pr'oxi~mately $15<),0'00.

The , C'ommis ,sion ap.pointed ·by my Minister 1 s1 to con1stl1der the ad­ Ininistr .ation of hospitals a,n1d charit­ aJble instituti ,ons· an1d ~ other services to the ind~gent ha1 s m'ade s~uch pTo­ gres 's with its investit~atio· n· s a.s to be able to submit its first interim report and recon11nen ·dations, anl d legislation I11· a; y be a.nlti,cipated · in relation t'hereto.

Memorial University Co~le~e It is' gratifying· to an·nounce that the ]Vren1orial University College an· d the Normal School operated in conjun~ c­ tion~ therewith, erHcted by , a previous .... ?ll,ministration un'der ·my ·'Pres~ ent Prime Minister, are attracting · s~tu­ denrts i1n s~ u~ c·h increasing numbe ,rs· as to ren,der an exte'nsio r n. of the 1 b,uild ,in,g­ an tlrgent necessity. My Ministers feel tt,at ' a very speC'ial effort should at this time be ma:de to meet this educational demand.

The neces ,sity fo~ r an early extension wa's' an,ticip : a1ted ,by the promoters, an'd pr.ovided for by the ar'chitect in the layo·ut of the buiJdin :g; the con1 s1truction ca'n. eon­ sequentl~y be U 'n1dertaken · in perfect harmon · y with the present s1tructure an1 d at a minimu 'm eost. Nfid.

Hotel Facilities, Limited Tl1e ~ewfoundl.and· H,otel Facilities, Lin1ited, defaulted in the ·payment of i1rterest on the bon,ds, a~n~ d ·dema,·nd \Vas made last autumn up·on the Gov­ ernJ'nent for tl1e payment of inter · e!st under the guara 'ntee a· s S 'et f,orth in the Ne\vfo 'undland Hotel Fac'ilities, Li'Inited · Acts of 1925 an· d 1926. Under tl1e obligruti .on, s, i1n~osed by t1he 1said f\.rts, m; y MiJIIisters h'a. d )no opti lC}ll and · h1 a1\re paid the interest on. the b~ on~ds for whie'h the Governn1e-nt was lialb:le U ·7l to the l.st May in1stai1t.

A thorough exan1inatlon into the aecounts of the Hotel by com,petent audito-rs ha· s \been m8lilJe, an1 d my ·Ministers · ·are ,now con­ si.tderin · g what step! S t s'houll'd be taken in relati~ on to the Hotel in ~ or1 der to pro­ te0t so fa. r as possi 'ble the tax~payers of tb i, s Colo·ny. lfR. SPEAKER : AND ~!EMBERS {)}( THE HONORABLE HOI!SE OF ASSE]IBLY: The statements of Revenue :and Ex­ pen ... dit'ure for the fis,cal year en~ di1 ng ?Oth June, 193.0, 'vi·ll be s•ublmitte · d to you.

I an1 glad to inform you th,at the R.even .ue Return , s of the pTese · nl t fis·cal year up to the 30th April las1t, are consi rderably in exce iSS of the figures f,or last year t11 p to the same darte. The estimate.s of t'he Pulb,li~C Service for the new fisca 'l' year will l be la.id befo ·re you, . a.n1d y~ou will be a.s·ked' to m·ake the cu·stomary provision for the • needs of that Service.

6 . HOUSE OF .i\SS~MBL Y PROC IEEDINGS In Ju·ne next ce-rtain debenture bo· n!ds of the ~Colon.y will mat~ure. A Loan Bill will be s·u~b~m'itted. to you making provision for the payment of such bon·ds an· d f.or 'Certain other needs of the P~u·blic Service. MR. PR.ESIDENT AND HONOR.ABLE MEMBER . S OF THE LEGIS. LATIVE COUNCIL: ~IR. SPEAKER AND ~!EMBERS OF TI-lE HONORABLE HOUSE OF ASSElliBLY: · My Prime Mini·ster when · i~n· Entg·1and last year en.tere~ d into negotiations with the Im1perial Econ .omic Commit­ tee having fn vie'v the development of the fi,sheries i.n Newfoun : d'land.

A pro­ posal w·as rugreed to wherefby my Mi~ ntsters an· d the Empire Marketing B,o,a·rd s.hou1d jointly fina 'n·ce for a per·io· d of five years a s·cheme of fislh­ ery research directed to the SICientific ·development of Newrou\Il:dlan , d ish­ eries. Under this agreement a Marine B'iologist of ·high stan 'ding will visit Newfoundlan · d in J~ uly next The work wil11 be con'tr,ol 1 led by a · sipecial 1bod'y of wh.ich half mem:be-r· s will be n·om1nated by t1he Britis 1 h Empire M.a:rketi,ng B·oard or b· y mys•elf ·on their behalf, and half by my Mi'n·ister i S • .

Fisheries Commissio11 Consi~ deratio· n h1as als· o been given . to the ~practica.I an• d ec.ono·mic side of # .the Fis·heries. I· n relation to Salt Co· d Fi,sh, a Commtss~ ion of experienced person l s' has been a~p· pointed tt o invesrti­ g.ate a~ n~ d report with regard to stand1ardizati~ o· n~ of cure, the best meth ·ods' of m·arketing, the possibil ,ity of a.cquiring n~ ew markets, and other points rel1ated to ou-r stavle i· nl d•ustry. This · C· o·mmis.s-ion will ·be prepared · to s~tlbmit an· i·nterim report to the G·o;v­ er·nn1ent 'vithin the course of a few weekls,.

My 1\~iildi S•ters have un,der eon­ ~iderationr the ap! poi~ntment ·of another Con1mis.si·on to de,al with the q tlestion of han, d.~ lin' g anl d marketing of Fresh Fish. Great a1dvan ·ce · h'a· s been~ made of late years in connection with the chilling of Fts'h, an· d the pr1ovis-ion of cold IS1torage on steamers . perml its~ the tra·niSIPOTtati'o'n of s·uch chilled · an· d re­ frigerated fisl1 to th. e markets · .

The utilizrution of ~ o·ur varied 'pro·ducts in fres · h form wil1 relieve ~ con. ge~ stion. in the ol1d estab.Iished cen1tres , where we sell our catch in the s1all t c.ure.d contdi­ tion, anr d 'Will give US new ffi'arkets and open· up r ·ossib .irlities ·of great value. Bell Island Agreement Sin,ce 1a.st ses'sion o.f t'he Legislature ·my Minister , s, hrave made with the com,panies operatin~ g the min~s on Bell I.slan 'd an agreemen~t which they re­ gard a.s · h.igh·ly advantageo ,us -to the Colon ·y. This wi·ll be submittHd to you for your ratifieation.

Un1der the terms of tl1is arrangement arrears of in­ come and pr· o,fits taxes totalling $136,- 000.00 have been paid into the Treas­ ury by the companies , whieh have also urud.ertaken to pay 1 substa·nti~a.l ·ann1 u·al royalties on their exports to, the Re­ ventue of the Colony.

A further , o,ut­ stan1 din~ g advantage aecruin 1 g to the Co1ony un,der this new agreement in the ·opinion of my Ministers is a !large increase in w1ages which will r ·e­ present additional an'n~u~al dis1burse­ ment.s: of taJpproxrm .a.tely $80,000.00 to the w·or'l{men My Minister 'S ' further an1ticipate that as a resu:It of th-is eon­ tract there will be S1ll<Ch an in,crease in oneration · s and prod·uction on Bell Islan 1d as will resu llt in t'he increase of exports of iron ore to three milllion ton · s a.nnu·a1ly.

Canadian Trade Agreement So,me mon1ths ago two of my Minis­ ters visited Ottawa to conrfer with the .Government o.f the Dominion of C.anada in relation to a

C) ommercial agreement that wo1ild :be to the bene­ fit of both countries. C·onsiderable pr.ogress ha~ d been ma·de, 1 an~ d it is

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PR.OCfEffiJ.D'lNG . S 7 anticipated that some tariff adjust­ ments will be su)ggested at this .s·es1 s1ion of the Legislature in aeco · r'dan1ce with the con~ vefls, ation. s· then carried o·n.

Gander Valley Project in· Ja.nuary last my Prtme Minister and two ot!her mem:bers of my Min,is­ trry met in New York for ~ a conferen rce with repres~ en~ tative-s~ of lar.ge water­ p·ower an.d ti'mber hol!der.s in the Ganider Valley, an~ d neighbor 'hoo·d; also for con·ference with representative · s o{ fresh fish ,seeuri'ng, freezin ·g, ;su,pply­ ign anr d disrtrjJbrutinl g organizations in the Un,ited States. ManlY 'propos'itions and coun1ter--proposition · s, h1ave been m, a,de an~ d diseussed. Both matters raise i1 S 1sues ~olf s-u bstantia1 pulblic importance.

Thes · e tw~ o major pToblem£ are still engaging the attention of my Ministers 1 , who are 'ho1peful that the resu'lt .o.f the timber and water-p ·awer dJiscussion i s· wil: l result in 'a l'ar'ge pulp I an, d p1 a1per ·development ii n· con,nection with w· h·at is known as the Gan1der areas, an'd that the res1ult of the fish­ ery d·i, s· cu· s~ sion' s' will materialize in the orpening of the mar1kets ·Of the Un1ited States of America to Newfou · n·d.Iand Cod a;n· d other fish in a fresh state. Will Visit St.

John's My Ministers received a telegram in , M.ar·ch .last fro , m the Secretary o.f the U.nio· n o· f Muni lcipalitie : sr , Quebec, (w·ho i, s ' al' s~ o S·peaker of th. e Le.gislative As~ ­ :semfbly of th·at Provin .ce) intimating that the U. nrion of 1Vlunicipalities ·of Quebec proposed to hold its Annual ·Convention t.hisi year o· n: board . the Steamer "Arcadian · " travelling frOJ:l\ Montreal to St. J ohn,'s. This gathering will inclu ·de the Ma)Tio,rs an'd Alder­ men of the Cities 'and Towns, with some Minis ,ters r and Mem\bers of the Legis 1lative As1sembly. The Party .pro­ posed to vi.sit St.

J.ohn's orr Tuesday, 24th June ·next, m'y Ministers weleom­ ed the idea of this "ibonne entente trip'' an'd e:xten~ ded a cordial in.vitation ' to visit St. John's anr d parta .ke of our hO, S ipiltality. In leavin · g y:ou to the dis~ charge of your legis1ative ~ duties I trust th~at you may Teceive Divine light and ~ guidance. Resolutions of Sympathy HON. THE PRIME 1\IINIST·ER-Mr.

Speaker, before we tal{e up the consideration . ,of irn1portant publlc matters referrtng to t'he present, I would ask your consideration of the situation "\Vhirch has develope · d in· this legislature ·sinrce its openin 1 g a little more than a ye.a.r ago . The.n this House was in the :Dulll vigor ·of its' Y ·Outh 1an, d manhood. Since then it ha· s~ suffered the los.s of three of its members, ·men whom we woul , d have least expected w~ o~ ul~ d be called awa.y, beca 'use of their outstan~ drng 'U1S'efulness, character a· n· d ca•ree11s, and their value a.nd exiperi­ en·ce in the Legislature.

In the Legis 1lative Council we h'ave suffere · d the los· s1 of the President of that c .ham1ber' a ge.ntlem .an who had risen to great emine : n,ce b~ oth ·at ;home a. n~d abroad, a man who was identifi­ e· d wit:h very m.any spheres of thought a· n'd cen~ters of effort, a brain that c~ arried with it the years of a·ctu.al knowled 1ge an~ d a·ecuracy, wi~th which few of u· s~ ea. n co·mpete.

He was a man who ~broug·ht the kno'Yled .ge o, f the hi,story of past yearsc, rea: d a. n: d remembered, to the 1ivi.nr g w· o,rk of the present, in !hi1s legislative activities here in Newfoun ·dland; this present which represents but the tick ~of . a watch upon the etern ,ity of the past a• n1 d the future, but which is regarded · ' as won,derfully 'rital to u~ s 'all, and in which we work and fight, quarrel, love and hate. But we have to· remember that we have before us in this Cham­ ·ber, a 1HSS1on , to-·day, of the futility of m'an;y of o·ur efforts, of anger, ambi­ tion, ~both in the legal and eommercial •

,. 8 . HOUSE OF .A.L\.SSEMBL Y PROCIEEDINGS · sphereS!, i'n the fact th·at in the passing of but a year we have lost outstand 1in'g men Referen 1ce has alrea -dy 'been made fro~ n1 this ·dest k to the pas·sing of two ,gentlemen who vacated their seats · for .some other .assembly last year. Mr. Grimes h, o.wever 'has since the close of the last ses1sio· n pass ·ed away. His seat was right nea.r mine, an'd his opinion wa;s always ·helpful because he k~new his ·dis,trict affairs thoT· o,ugh­ ly.

His sin,cerity an'd lo·ya1ty was be­ yond repToach, anld of the esteem i.n "\Vhich he was hel· d by his constituents 4 there is ample testin1ony in the fa.ct that he represented hi· s district f.o· r s~ o manlY years. In the pas j s,in) g of Sir Patrick .. l\1:cGrath there was taken from the Legislative Council ' a man O · f outstan ·d­ ing a· biVlity.

There was no man abler to fill the position a.s Pres , i,dent ~ olf the Collncj}. with dignity and effective­ ne~~, he was the man who was select­ en by Newfo · u· n·dlan,d, ant d I am ~ proud that it wta:s· 1ny own admin'istratio11 that · s·e1ected him, to fill another p·osi­ tion of inestin1 1able value to the coun­ try in eonnection . with the Labrador Borundary dispute. , I must frankly admit that I have not known a n1a. n in· Newfoundland or 011 t'his · s,ide of the Atlantic who could have taken hol'd of that difficult prc,­ blem "~ith .such ·aecuracy and vigour an· d ·consistent effort, "r·ith such en­ thusia,sm i a.nd self-sacrifice, in that he p~ut every amount of energ:y into· tl1e1 t probl .em.

An~ d the result is· ~ due in · n ·) ·s,mall measure to his aceuracy in ex­ amination i_nto the facts, and to his in·dustry an. d care. T'here is another m·an who pa3~el1 avvay, though not directly from thi~~. Ch.amber. But 1at one time he W'lS Colon 1ial Secretary, and a member cf vatlJced ·somewhat in age as distinct from the otl1er gentlemen to· whom I referred. He pa· s, s,ed out ·of active life to the eomp,arative retirement of a civil service ·position in con·nectior1 \Vith tl1e Govern ·ment s~ avin.gs Bank.

But on his retirement he left bel1ir1J him a career of outstan 1ding success, and ho·nor, in con1nection with the Legis 'l,ative a'bilities as C·olo.nial Sec-· retary. In, connection with these three bere ,avements I woul1 d · con~ sequently s~ u1 bmit t· o the House the followi.rug re­ solutions:- .,- REJSOLVED: That this House de- 'sires to record the expression of its cleep s~orrow at the decease of the late Honourable Sir Patrick M·cGrath, Presi, den~ t ~ of the Legi:slati 've ·Co~un~ cil . RESOLVED: That this House de­ ~ sires to record the expression of its deep sorrow at the decease of the late Mr.

George F. Grimes, member of the House of Assem lbly an· d repres ·entative of the 'district ·of Lewis .po-rte, and at one time Minister of ~Marine an~ d Fit s'h- • er1es. RES,QLVED: That this House de­ 'sires to record the expression of its deep sorrow at the decease of the late Honorable Robert Watson at one time a member of thi, s House and ~at one time Colonial Secretary: ·of this · coun­ try . .

There i: s one other matter to which · I might be ~perm\itte' d to refer, sir, which d·oes not specifically come with­ in the scope o.f a res~oi,ution, in. this Chamber, I w· a.nlt to refer to the pass- ·ing of a young m.an, who wa.s one of the comin1 g men, probably in1 politics · , most certain ily in in~ d~ ustrial an~d conl­ mercial life, inr this country. I refer to my friend, Mr. Herbert Winter. He iJa, s p~ast sed out in1 the very bloom of life with the O \pportun 1ity of un1doubted .. tlu~, branch of t'he Legi ,slature. I refer value to this city an'd to this country ~ to the Hon. R. Watson.

He was ad- in front of him. ' I

I feel that I may be permitted, sir, in this Chan1~ber to refer to him ~be­ cause his 1distin tguished un.cle was · o.ne time Prime Minis 1ter of this country. Be1cause O'f the fact that his di:s­ tinguishe 'd father i· s an o· uts~ tandi'n, g memtber of the Le1gislative Coun~ cil' of Nevvfoun 'dlan1d, and has been intimate­ ly ~ and legis1 'ative1y "in'denrtifie , d with pu'blic life ]n this country.

I ~ do feel that I may tal{e this o ··~­ casion ·,, sir, of ru-blicly expres~ sing to his father and his relatives, to~ his ":"idow ~particularly, an1d her cbildren. my own personal regret, my O"\Vn· per­ son.al ·deep sympathy an'd regret. In tbis I feel , sure that every memlber of 9 an1dl Mr. Herbert Winter. The late Mr. \Vatson "\VaS a well knO·\Vll figuTe in the P'U iblic life o, f the country and 'd'ur­ ing l1atter year ·S' his woTk i.n -co·nnec­ tion with the Permanent Marine D'i'sas1ter.s Fun 1 d an, d the Grenfell As­ soci,ation wa· s. ·outstand.in 1g.

With all that h'ad been s~ aid about the ·l'ate Mr. '!'linter, I aJso wish to· as·sociate my.-:elf. The country ean iii-afford to lo, s1e men of the type of Mr. Winter a.ntd h:s deflth is a disti11ct lo~ ss to the country at large. On motion the R2sol~ uti.ons were n,r1 - opted. MR . • E~IERSON Mr. Speaker, I think it woul~ d be u1-'tbis House con·curs. gracious of me if I permitted the·se I ask your permis 1sion, sir, to form- reso· lution~ s to p· a.ss without making aJly n1ove these three resolution'S to-. some slight referen 1ce to one in ~par- gethPr and Reverally. ticular.

I ~ do n·ot know if these is any RON. THE LEADER OF THE OP- 1 one in this House who \vas ·on more POSITION-Mr. Spe,aker, I ~ desire to intim~ ate an1 d frien ·dl'y term . s with the s·econ1d the re,solutio ,ns so ably put by the Ho.norable the Prtme Minister , The late SiT Patrick McGrath had risen from 'humble ·s4urr· o·unldin,gs ·and bv his abi~ity · an~ d h~ . rd 'vork h1nd rai~­ Pn_ bimRelf to, a · d'i'stinguished journ l!ll­ istic career. In · p,ubl'ic life SiT Patrink McG·rath was a pro.min~ ent fie;11re ~ an·d no one was better informed on tb e affai 1rs ·of the 'Counrtry t'h~n he was.

Hi's work 1 i· n connection w'ith the La'brado 'r bound ·Hry ouest.ion "\vould ever ~be ~ a.s­ Roci~ted with the gr· a.nting o.f tb.at va·st tPrritory to the country. In his de:ttl1 the ·country had ' Sust~ined 'a severe 1o1ss. The ·death of the late Mr. Grimes was alsr o a - ~d:istilllct loss to the HonRA. In his Pl:ice in the A·ssem (blv he h~il alw~vs impresse-d one with hi's. sin­ CPritv of nur~ nose an~d his kin~ d ~ ::.n . fl affable man.ner made him generally . rAsnecte ·d. If h~s ro:n,du·ct in the Ho11Re ,XTBS tyniC'.=l} Ot hiS nome life. hiS ]o~ni th Pre ,~ronlrl lbe 'an irrenarable one. I ,vis ·h.

Sir, to ::llso a.'s.sociate rnvse ' llf' with the exnressio~n of svmn ·Hthv on the death of the late Hon. Robert W~.tson l~.te S·ir Patri~ ck McGrath than myself. If there is he \Viii a·gree with n1e in vvhat I say ~ a,bout 11im. As yo· u l{nO\V he started li.fe young in the S1ense t:1at f1e began to worl{ at a very ea.rly age. Shortly after goin 1 g to work ·his health baving , s:howed sign~ s. of being weal{, he toolr to out-do !or work, which in his c(a8e was re~o,rting for the paper .s.

He be1gan as a rep·orter on the Eve.ning Hefla 'l1d, 'and from that d'q,te llntil hi's dHath I thin 'k we can sa. y that he w~rs a gatherer of news, a gatherer of information 'Upon all Hltbjects and a bo'u't vvhich he was ca palble of givin · g at any time re~ al iniform,ation. A:s. a resu rlt of his' har~ d wor'k. he was .sub­ seouen ,tll y 'appointed editor where he ha'd starte~ d as re:norter an·d l'q,ter .on became owner of the ~am~ paper.

He '"~ra · R al1SO, duri,ng this period, a 'vr·iter i.11 forei~ gn m~ rugazli' nes ~ and periodic1c::tlR, n.ot o~n.ly on affairs in Ne,vfounrdlan ·d, bu~ t a.lso affairs O 'f "rorld-wi ,d'e interest. I remem !ber the first time that I s~ aw his n~ame; I was a .boy at f)Chool.

l 18 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROOE~EDINGS . I foun~ d an

article on the Seal Fishery in N ewfoundlan~ d in ~ an En.·glish ll1'3..gazine, th'at

article wa· s· written m·ore than thirty years 'ago, . At that time I 1di· d n~ ot kn-ow who S1ir P. T. lVIJcGrath was and it was on1Iy later on that I appreciated it. I remember also an oecasio ·n, much more recently, when Sir P. T. McGrath visited the United States durin . g ! a time wl1en a presidenti ·al election w·as· in swin,g. He 'v'as aske 'd by a perio .dical there to \Vrirte an artd'cle upon , its progress an~ d he covered the ·slllbject ·so well that the

article was· broadcasted through­ out the United States of AmeriCJa . as bein'g the only san1 e forecast regarding the res-ult. It is' · a 1typieal in·stan ·ce of the man that he naturall l y gravitated into politics, not as an a·ctive member of either ·branc 1h, but as a jo·urrua.l'ist an· d can1'P'ai.gn 1nanager, an· d ·as such no one aehieved ·such Huc·cess as he did. He was alw·ays true to his: motto, whrich was~ , that anryone en,tering politics ha·d to give hard knocks 1and receive hard kn,oclrs.

As a result '11e created enemies for himself but he never co,mplained o.f ·the hard knocks given him, an! d faced difficulties as they came. Later in yea.r · s he was: ap­ pointed to the Legislative ·Council an· d I th-ink that possibly, this "\Va'S the ·happiest period of his life. He was re­ moved ·more or less from the active fie 1 d an'd able to give his aJbility 'and knov{ledge to affairs 'Of state. There is not · a ease in, t;he Hansard reports o: f the Legislative C· oun~ cil where he . did not ad~ d to, in .dignlity, information and advice, 'any question upon · w·hich l1e spolre.

The honor of this offi·ce ~ully con1 ~ pensatted him 'for his lowly .begin­ ning and rewarded l1im for overcom­ ing one 'Of the 11'ardest · handica~ps, poverty. A great man'y men have overcon1e this ·handiea . p w'ith great po\vers but the greatest of all is the han,dicap of ill health, al! l his life from boyhood until the time of hi:s death he was hard'ly ever free fro · m illlness a11d in s·pite of this he w·as a pro·digy for work. Few real~ly appreciate Sir P .T. -McGrath's w·ork in connection with tl1e La·brador.

It entailed takiru:s I truckloa~ ds of p~apers, and iboo·ks across . to Englan 'd and advisin 1 g coun~ sel in E~n, gran1 d; it is essenti~ al in a case to have a client an~ d he was the best client that the legal gentlen1en in the case ever had, all .his services : re­ boun·ded to the g~ oo~d of his country.

Althou ·gh he was never free fron1 the great tr,agedy of life that hung over him, a visito , r · to his fireside " wo~uld alwa .ys fin1 d a cheerful and 'v1arm greeting an. d he co~uld not help · but he struck by the love an1 d affec­ tion of two ~ generation' s of a family . of which l1e w·as the reco·gni~ed head, no one could be more 11os,pitable or more entertaining and he was al"nays rea·dv vvith 1naterial assistance and .., advice. Tal{ing all in· ·all he was the type, t·hat, in ·a sma1ll colon · y such as this, is o·nl· y found o·nce in m·any years. Mr.

Grimes' ~death I ' also deplore, although I only know him as a meln­ ber of the House for a short ti1ne, I knew him personally . s' in~ ce 1913. He was a m~an of strong co.nvictio ·ns, not on1ly on· .prohibition~ , 1but also on q·ues­ tiolls~ bordering on socialism, I do not n1ea- n. , 'however, that he never s·a'v the other point of view, I o~ ften talked with him and I fo.und hi'n1 reason 1able an, d restrained. He was a s~ p'lend;i, d type of man an~ d as Mr.

Al~ derdice has· s·aifl he lefit the impress of his n~ a111e on the P'Ublic life of the country .but better t'I1an all he gave all his spare time and leisure to eharity work. \

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROOE 1EDINGS 11 I vV' ou l~ d like to s1 a. y a worl d a:bo·ut Mr. vVinter, we of his generation 'have lost a frien 1d, he w··as younger th· a. n most of the mem·bers ·Of this House, but he was about tl1e same a.ge as m.yself and I dee ply regret l1is death as .he was a close personal friend. I woul~ d. also lilr e to co· nicur in the expres · S1io·ns of regret at the ~ death of the l1ate Hon. Robert Watson. HON. l'IINISTER OF FIN~4.NCE & ClTSTOl\18-;Mr. Speaker, I rise for tbe purp ·ose of joiniru~ the mover 'a.nd seconder of the resolution of con­ dolence on the ~deahts of Sir P. T.

M·cGrath, Mr. Grin1es an1 d Mr. Warts·on. I particularly wish to join in the ex­ pression of regret at the ~ death of Sir P. T. r •cGrath. He was an intimate acq.uaintaillce, I knew the gentleman all my life, he was a f·ami'ly frien 1 d ~and a r ·olitical friend an. d it wo~ul' d i'll be­ come me this afternoon to let this~ on­ portunity pass without recordin · g my sentiments. Per·sonally, I 'did not know Sir P. T. MoGrath very well until after my entry into public Tife, then . he fre­ quently gave me good advice.

He was alw1 a.ys· ready to give younger men tbe benefit of his· close associ ·ati-on with the pu,blic affairs of N ewfoun 1dlan,d. I desire to place my ·sentiments ' on re-• cor~ d with th·ose wh· o have a. lrea~ dy S (poken concerning Sir P. T. M~ eGr .. ath an~ d I feel that the p.as·sing of Sir P. T. M·eGrath means more to Newfound­ land than we can no~w re,alize and th~ at in the years to come we will come to a . .. realization of his great services to Newf.oun 1dland. \¥ ith regard to Mr.

Grimes, during the three or four or five years that I v'r ~ s on the oppos 'ition ·side of the H· otlse an~ d he w·as on the 1government side I always foun~ d him fair, honest, an~ d upright an· d able to give and take in an argument. I join the ·other gent- lemen in recording ill¥ personal sympathy. I heard vvith re.gret of the death of Mr. Winter. He was just in the (bloom of life an· d 'vas just co,:nmencing his commercial 'a1ctivities.

I join with the Pri'me Minister an'd the Le.ader of the Oppositi ·on in recon1men ,d'in; g that a vo,te of sympathy be passe , d on th e passin , g of thes : e · o~ utstanr iing gentle­ men. ·Address in Reply 1\IR. ST 1\R. KES~Mr. S1peaker, I rise to move that a Select C·ommittee be appointed to draft an Address in Reply to the Spee-ch from the Thro ,ne wl1ich His Excel1lency the Governor has been please · d t~ o de]iver at the opening ·of this- Legislature to-· d'ay.

I feel sure, Sir, that ·this House of Assembly in p.articular, and the coun­ try general .ly, wtll re.ceive with gla; d acclaim this Speech fr·om the Thro ,ne, but before I procee 1 d to ~ deal with some 01 f the points referred to, tl1erein, I crave your ·attention and the attention af the House to make a few perso ·nal rem·a:r'ks. First of all I wish to congratulate the Prime Minister on the accession of stren~ gth to the party which he leads in this Cha.mber as a res·ult of the re­ cent bye-electionS'.

The three districts in'volved have returned Go~vernn1ent ·Candidates and the result is prQof positive to the country that the ad­ ministration led by Sir Richard Squires to-.day, instead of dying is g·aining stren rgth. I congratul 1ate the succ ·essful can·di­ dates in these 'bye-elections, Mr. Leo M11rp·hy, Mr. Nathan \VinStor and Lad:v~ SQ'1Iires. But P· ar~ticularly d· o I eon­ gr atul~te Lady Squires, who is the first lady to occupy a seat on the floors of the House of 'As'sembly. Lai!.v Squires s-its to~day for Lewisporte District, in the seat form .erly held by the late Mr. Georlge Grimes. I feel

12 HOUSE OF AS SEMEL Y PROC1 E·EDINGS s·ure that the Ho·use heartily concurs in the expr~essions of regret that have been made here this after . n· o·on on · ~1r. Gri1nes , ' passin .g. The Uppt~ i· House of this Legislatni ~ has also ~ ~J :::· t ained a great loss since last we n1et ny the .death of Sir P. T. l.•0.Grath and I desire als· o to be associ­ ated with the expressions . of regret that have been made on his death. ~ feel sure that the Upper House and t:~te . co11ntry have suffered a distinct los:-, in his den1ise. 'I' he B11rin Tidal "'rave ....

I think it was very fitting~ l\11~. 81peal{er, that the Speech from tl10 T·hrone had some reference to the great dis·as.ter which ·over(ook a sec­ tion of the South Coast l:a.st year. The 'v'hole ·country, Sir, stoo . d aghast as tl1e tale of death, destruction and de­ solation was unfolded. The appeal that was made for s~1c­ cour on ·behalf of the suffering and distress wn.s not made in vain, qnil once again Ne f.oun~ dlanders irrespec­ tive of class or creed proved of their open hearted g·<~nerosity.

It is plea:s111g to kn·ow that r1uch of the destruc~in1. 'vrou 1gl1t by tl)e earthquake and tidal vlave, is now '-:·ell on. the way to r'-·-· pair and replacement, but I am sure, Sir, it is n1ore pleasing ·still to know that the har.dy fishermen of the South Co:tst who lost their . fishing property i11 tl1at dis,aster are rea•dY again to prosecute the fishery an1 d thus take cRre of their families and once more pi1..ce themselves on the roa. d to that independence for which they have been· noted.

It is pleas 1ing to know that the econo1nic situation last year w·as satisfactory and although the catch of codfish 'vas n·ot an average one, yet tl1e fis-hermen made up for the short­ age by receivin~g good prices although at tl1e expense of the exporter, un- fortu ·nately, as it is understood some of them have met wit1h heavy losses. ·Question of Our Fisl1eries Our people will learn with feeling of pride that the Colony last year had . such a su.bstantial favorable bala.nce of tra.de a~ s $7,560,000 T.his is a bal­ an·ce of trade, Sir, which 'any other British Don1inion in proportion to our po,pulation and tra~ de might well be pr·otld of .

N O\V, Sir, the reference to the fisher­ ies in the Speech from the Throne is o{ ·cours . e the referen ·ce of major iln­ portance as it refers to Ollr sta.ple in­ dustry. The fisheries of Newfoundland are, an· d will continue to be its staple industry. Min·es are alr~ght, pulpmills are alright, let us develop ·all of them tl1at we possi ,bly can, b·ut to my mind the subject that should claim our at­ tention most, as a Legis'lative is the subject of the fisheries.

The Government has no dou1bt acted \veil in co-operating with the Imperial Economic Commission, with a view to ·havtng a marine Biologis 1 t do some re­ search work in con·nection with out fisheries. I feel~ sure we all earnes~tly hope that his lab·ors here will result in n1uch good towards the further su·cce.s,sful development of our fisher­ ies. The salt codfis 1 h in· d'ustry no doubt needs serious attention and the G·ov­ ern·ment has; acte.d wisely in the ap­ pointment of a Commission of experi­ enced perso ,ns to study the va.rious prolblems con.frontin 1 g this · ind~u· stry.

It is felt generally that we n1ust have a better s.ystem of handlin 1 g our salt codfish from the cure up to the R ·hi"1ping, and we trust that the ne'v Commission will be able to formulate and recommend steps with the object in vie\v that will meet the approval of the fishermen an• d exporters ' alike and result in greater success anr d more staple btlsiness in this industry. . /

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROC IE!EDINGS 13 ·A Wrong System Up to the present time our method of curin 13' fish have been with salt an1 d sun. To my min,d, Sir, one of tl1e great­ esl t mistakes in the handling of our cod,fiS:h is the talqual ~basis of S 'elling, \V·hich is to-day discouraging our fish­ ermen, in tryi'ng to make a ·s:uperior article, with the result that the foreign n1arl{ets to which we have been ship­ v·ing ·our fish, are bein 1g controlled by co1npetitors.

Let us ho-"'e that the Fi21hery Com­ mis:sion appointed to go into the mat­ ter, 'vill find it possible to enforce son1e 1form of regula 1tion, that will do away 'vith the system of · selling tal­ qual in this country, an· d by ~ do~ in~ g .so, wi'll encourage our fishermen to make better fish, and thus help our export­ ~rs in meetin · g competition in the for­ eign n1arket.

It is en~ eouraging to fin· d that by the scientific resources available, it has • been found possible to handle our salmon in a fres : h state, preservin . g it · b. y brine freezing, w'hieh pro~ ce' S' S keep 1 s it in a most perfect co.nditio .n, so that \Ve can now place it on the market, in ·such countries as- Englan i d and Ameriea ., in rractically the s·ame con­ dition as it is taken from the w-ater. Let us hope that the tin1e is not far distant, when a large p·ortion of our codfis . h \Vill be exported u-n~ der the same process.

I ·have great plea~sure in moving tl1at a Committee be appointed to. pre­ pare an A~ d. dress in Reply to His Ex­ ceTlency's mos1 t gracious Speech from the Throne. MR. MURPHY-Mr. Speaker, it is a so urce of great pride and plea.s ·ure to n1 e to be given this opportunity to second the motion so ably prop ·o,sed by my friend and colleague, the Hon. me mber for Green Bay, particularly • • 1n ' r1e'v of the fact tl1at this is tl1e fir1st occas.ion on which I have had the h·onor of occupying a seat in the Legislature. ·First allow me, Mr. Speaker, to ex­ ten1 d n1y very · sl i1n,cere congratulati-o ,ns to lVIr.

Starkes for the very · a.ble man­ ner in w·hich he has p· ropose~ d the mo­ tion now 'before the House . Not alone do I congratulate him but I al,so wis. h to offer him my sincere thanks be­ cau~ se he has s.o intelligently covere · d the main points in His Excellency's S .:_Jeech tl1at there is very little left for me to S'ay. However, Mr.

Speaker, theTe are a few points in the Speech from the Throne that, with your kin, d in,dul­ gence, I would wi 1 sh to !briefly refer to, and in addition I must ask for your kind consideration because of the fact that up to the p'resent I am merely as an amateur before the footlights ', and further that I have ha~ d very l~ittle time to prep ·are for this occa.sio ;n. .Mr. Speaker, allow me to exten~ d to the Ron. Prime Minister my s-incere con1 ~ratulations regar 'ding the succes 's . of .his can1 di~ dates in the recent bye­ election .s.

The re-sult of these bye-elec­ tions, , w·hich in one instance par- ticularly has sent me as, representative of Placentia West to this Hou·se, has proved conclusively to the count )ry that t~he con1idence reposed in the present admin .istrati-on ·at the .general election , of the autu ,mn of 1928 has been renewed. I would even go furth­ er, Mr. Speaker, than .saying renewed lbecause the result of the contest i· n Placef!tia West has given the govern­ ment a seat which as a reS'ult of the general elections in 1928, returned an o~ n'V'\osition can! di~ date by · a m1ajority of o'l~er 600 votes.

In a,dition it will ill become me, on this occasion p,ar­ ticularly in my maiiden speech in the Legislature, to allow thi.s opportunity to pass without extending to Lady Squires, the wife 'Of the Prime Minis- •

, I I ' 14 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROC} E·EDINGS ter, my very, very sincere con~ gratula­ tion ·s. I feel~ , Mr. S·peaker, that .her success is two-fold in so much as not only has she in, cre~ased the m1adority obtained ,by the Government can·didate during the election of 1928 an· d i· s the first la~ dy in N ewfoun~ dland to s·it in parliament, but she 'has established a . . further recoTd, in that I feel that I am safe in saying that she is the wife of the first Prime Minister in the B·riti.sh Empire who h'aR won. 1 a seat in parlia- . ment.

I feel, therefore, that I voice the sentiments of memlbers of 1both ·si·des ·of the House w·hen I say to Lady Squi'res that we trust that her advent into public li'fe will result in a re­ vival of purity in public life and cleanliness in p·olitics. • i'l want also to extend my sincere congratulations to Mr. Winsor, who, like myself ha· s succeeded in o;'btaintng • a seat in this HouS'e durin ; g the re­ cent bye-election, 1and as Mr.

Winsor comes from the bone an~ d sinew of the coun,t;ry, as he Tepresents the fis·her­ men ·of the country, and whilst he may be no better ·orator than myself, I feel that this Hou~ se, the Government an,d the country generally will greatly benefit by hrs presence here.

The Naval Conference The opening pa~ ragrap·h · o· f the S~ peech fro~rn the ThTone may not be of any local interest p·articularly in view O'f the fact that they refer to the partial success at ·any rate of the re­ cent Naval · Conference in Lon. d·on, where an, agreement was reached by the three 'great powers, na,mely: Br'itain, Unite~ d States ' an~ d Japan, that Naval Arm·ament w·ould be consider­ ably reduced.

We all remember the effects . on this little country of the great \Va:r which teTminated on Novem 1ber 11th. , 1918, and I say to-lday without fear of Stlcce-ssful i contradic­ tion that the ~ denres' sion, unemploy­ ment an. d financial difficulties wl1icl1 have been thrown on ·our country at variotlS intervals since the Arn1istice \Vere ~ di'rect :results of that g·igantic .struggle, an~ d therefJre \ve feel that any efforts n1ade ·by the great p·owers to reduce Ar1nament, ~ botl1 Military and Nava1, will eliminate to a great extent an, y fuTther repetition . of the great sacrifices which thi-s country had to n1ake .fron1 1914 to 1918.

Tlte Ti ~l a l ll.ave Disaster I s·hall now atten1pt to, 1deal with Ho1ne of the outstanding paragraphs i'n His Excellency's most gracious speech. I am com,pelle · d at . first ·to re­ fer briefly to the tidal wave di's1a1ster which caused sueh considerable los· s of life :and property ·on tl1e Burin Peninsula during November, 1929. I take this opportunity, Mr. Speaker~ to offer rubli·cly to the unfortunate in that territory wh· o s~uffered as a res~ult of 11oss of life in their families or a. s a result of losS' of property, fish, etc., :my very deepest sympathies and f.urther­ m~ o~ re, Mr.

Speaker, allow me to con­ gratulate the Govern~ment on the pTompt and efficie ,nt manner in which they h·andled this situ,ation up to. the pres1ent time. A few hours after the sad new~ s had been comn1 unicated to 'headquarters · , a Government boa.t sup­ plied with all necessities, food, cloth­ ing, medical aid, etc., wa· s dispatched and arrived at the scene of the rdis!aster early t,he next ~ day. Relief work started immediately.

Relief was given to poor tlnfortunate peo~ ple who had lo·st everything they possessed. i. n the .way of lfood a.nd clothing, and I thinlt th·at the people of the country general rly appreci ·ated the n1anner in' which the presen 1 t ad-.. ministration .han~ dled that very ~ diffictllt problem. I rll1USt ·Offer my si'ncere an­ preciation to the variou · s committees, to the country generally W ' h· o contri­ bute-d so nobly to this deservi ,ng cat1se, .with the result that to-d 'ay in tl1e I

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCffiJ,EDING 'S 15 Burin Territory, whil ·st the .fishermen an· d their fan1ilies have not fully re­ eovered fron1 their losses, they have been pla,ced in! ~a po·sition at any rate \Vl1ere t'11ey ca11. conduct their avoca­ tions in life an· d continue to prosecute tl1e fisheries in the sa111e tndependent 111anner as heretofore. . Otir Economic Situation I now come, Mr.

Speaker, to the paragrapl1 in the Speech frotln the Thron , e wl1ich ~ dea.ls wi111 our eeon1omic situation, ·and sl1al! l couple wi~·h it two or three paragrarhs for the simple reason that they all ·deal \vith the same 111iatter: 'Ve are told by His Excellency that tl1e situati-on la.st year was satisfa .c­ tory an· d· tl1en he g~oes on to s'ay that tl1e catch of fish was not quite up to· the avera .ge but the price was go~ od ' and that the fishermen did not suffer. .AJn. d I 111ust mention now a further paragraph in the Speee11 \Vhieh ~efers to efforts 1na~ de by .tile Government to deal with the ~ dry fish situation and the fresh fis. h situatio ,n.

I have alway 's been o· f the opinion, a.n'd a~m still of the same opinion, that the fisheries sha.ll ever be the main­ stay of this country and~ that any ef­ .Eorts made to further the interests of ~ the fishermen of the cou1ntry, so that his product may receive further fin­ ancial be11efits, ·Sllall be of untold go·od to the country as a whole.

Duri.ng the last seaso~n the price pai· d fo, r codfis ; h a,nd the fishing pr~o­ ducts general 'ly were hi·gh which re­ sulted in the fi·shermen receiving good .returns f.or their investments, ·but the m·ann·er in! which . our exp,or'ts have heP.n handled is' not all tl1at could be desired.

Vle know that durin t g recent mo.n.ths the fi·sh exnorters of New­ fonndland ha.ve suffered con,siderable loR~es an ~ d it i's a · de:bat~ . ble question to-it~v Rs · to whether these l·ORses could . ha:ve been eiimin~.ted by differ­ ent n1ethods of shipment. l.,loodiJlg tlte Markets In the old ·days sailing vessels took the fish aw, a.y, stea , m has no'w taken its place with the result t·hat lar'ge ship­ ments of fish go i·nto the markets, flooding them and cau.si.ng a depres­ sion· in price.

Recor ·ds show that car­ g·oes of 20,000 to 30;000 quintal~ s of fis• h have gon· e into some ports . in less tha, n a week. These metho~ ds are simply financial suicide o~n the part ~of the shippers and can ·have only one result, ·disaster. " I trust, Mr. Speaker, that the fish­ eries commission now co.ns,idering these maters shalT, before this season closes, bring forward some reeom­ mendati ,ons where ·by this state of af­ fairs s.hall be eliminate ·d.

The financial conditio·n . of the coun­ try to·-day is all that co.uld be expect­ ed. ·Ctlstoms Revenue h~ a.s in creased durling the pa.st n:ine months by over $500,00.0. The revenues from other sources have increased sufbstantially also and we lo· o· k forward this year \Vith hope that when · the Minister of Finance an'd Customs presents his Budget to tb.e House that he will be able to s'how a slight surp 'lus.

Increased Earni-ng Po1ver This state o, f aff!a.irs .has co·me about principally becaus~ e the various dustries operating throughout • Ill- the country, such as Corn .er Br· o~ ok, Grand Fall~ s, Buchans and Bell Island ha,ve considera .lbly increased their p~ro~duc­ tion during the past year. Let me give you a few exa~mples. Corn ·er Broo 'k for the year ended December 31, 1929 ex-· ported 156,000 tons ~ of paper, again·st 130,000 approximately for the year endin 1 g Decem \ber 31, 1928.

Grand Falls bas a:ls· o increase-d earnin 'gs to our people and it is estimated to·-day that the increasHd production at Gran~ d Falls ' a.nd ~ Corner Brook left in wages to the people in~ the vicinity of half a n1'illion dollars .during 1929. In adldi- '

• .. . ~ . 1b I-IOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROClE ·EDINGS tio·n to this the I11ternational Paper Con1.,pany at Cornor Brook have spent substantial amou ·nts on the furtl1er ·de­ ·velopi'n : g of their :po\ver plant at Deer LaJke with the result that a furtl1er increase in money -vvent into the pockets of the people of the country.

Better Conditions All Rolilld The yea.r 1929 was really the banner y·ea.r ·of 'Buchans ~ operatio~ns and they exported in the vicinity of 80,030 tons of concentrates and plans are no'v be­ ing 1nade for ~ doubling the productio11s of this most valuable asset. v\lhen I 111ention the operations on Bell Isla.nd I must refer briefly to the conditions that have prev.ailed there during re­ cen~t years. It is a known fact to all members of this House that the com­ panies operating the n1i.nes on.

Bell Islan r d 'has 1been in arrears to the Gov­ ernment for both income tax a.nd busi­ ness profits tax and the previous a.d­ ministration · failed iigno.minously to eompel these companies to carry out their · con~tracts.

As. a result of nego­ tiatio .ns between the present a~ dminis­ tration an1d the c-ompanies o·perating Bell Island Mines an agreement has been concludedJ whereby $136,000 has been paid into the treasury of the C;olon;y, whereby a ·substantial royalty is to be paid on ore exported, and the wages of the miners · o. n Bell Island have increa_sed to such an extent that approximately $80,000 extra money has fto,und its vvay into , the poekets of the miner.s tl1ere ~ c1uring the past twelve montl1s. · I say, Mr.

Spealrer, that if tl1e pres­ ent adminjstration ~ did no other bu3i­ ness during the pas~t twelve n1onths that this one piece of legislation alone .. jus,tifies their existence and their future existence. P11blic Healtlt Affairs The next P'a.ragraph in. the Speech from the Throne refers particularly to the Departn1ent of Puiblic Health : which was created as a Sllb-depart­ Inent under tl1e Colonial Secretary.

Eighteen mon: ~hs ago when tl1e pres­ ent adn1~inis.t.ration as·sun1ed o ~ffi.ce all l{i.nds of hospitals \Vere i11 o~; eration throughcut the country. lVIoney h:1d bee11 in·discrimin ·ately ~ spent to pay for fees and boar ,d. The present ad111inistration clea11ecl up this disgraceful 111ess with tl1e r·e­ Slllt that at tl1e present tin1e the de­ partn1ent of Public Healtl1, unier tl1e able n1anagement of the Hon. Dr. Mosdell, l1as' accomplished wonderful \vork.

Practically all these uncalled for hospitals, which ex'i.sted in each en:d of the city an1 d in practically eYery district throug'11oout the country h3:ve been eliminated, and to-day the Health Depa.rtn1ent i's in the )3o si.tio11 that t1:he sick reople tl1rougho ·ut the country are all treated in institu t~ o ~~ s '\vhich co111e directly tlnder the cl1arge of th'is Departn1ent. • I 2n1 infor1ned that durin 'g tl1e pres- ent fiscal year through this re-or­ g~a.nizati· on; , the Colony will receive $100 ,000 and I think that mem'bers on both sides ~ of the Ho11se will agree \Vi1th me when ' I say that this accom­ plishment is well worth while.

Tlte lliemorial College Another' paragraph in His Excel­ lency's most gracious Speecl1 refers to the Men1orial College. I am glad to say that the G·overn ·ment have under consideration the further exten 'sion of this valua ,ble institution.

MaR1Y of 011r ·)roung Newfotindlanders would · l1ave to go abr1oad at con·siderable expense to themselves and tl1eir parents were it nQt for the establish ·men· t of the Nor­ mal Scho ,ol, and in view of tl1e fact · that applications are now , o, n· file for at least another one htlnldi--ed appli­ cants the con1ing year I feel that the Govern ·ment will be fully justified in suPplying the necessary fuill,ds to ex­ ten, d this valua ·ble institution · . • ...... • • . . I I , ..

• • 1-IOUSE OF. ASSEMBL . Y PROC.iE.EDINGS 17 · Tle trade balance of the C'ol<)ny cJurin 'g the fiscal year ended June 30, 1929 s'howed a ,balan~ ce i~ n ~ o~ ur fa.vor of over seven and a half milli~ on dollars V\'"1 icl1 in itself speaks \veil for the pr,osperity of our people. At the same time we mu'st not lose sight of the f~. ct that considerable of ~ our expo~ rts, stlCll as paper, iron and the product min.ed at Buchans would. co~n~ sideralbly reduce this trade balan ,ce owin . g to the fact that a great p·ortion of this mo~n·8Y is paid i11to the P·Ockets o~f outside ca ~- italists.

Tb_ e Ilotel Bonds Issue I regret to~ say, h1owever, that the Ne~vfotlndlant d Hotel F.acilities. Ltd. is in a ~ deplorable fin·ancial condition and tha t I trust that step,s: .shall be taken i'n~ ~ 111ediately by the Governme~nt to protect Its interests. This hotel was built on guaraP.Itee by the late Mon/r~o~ e Governn1ent and after ~o~ne ha's go.ne in1to the details ' concernirrg its foun · d.a­ t~ ~ on an.d constructio : n one cannot heln lbut feel that eon~ si, derable lack of ~ duty, laek of initiative . a1nd lack of b·usiness .sense existed thr·oughout ~ our predecessors term of office.

Sb,ortly afte i r the present a'dmin l i;s­ tration a·ss11med office they were con­ fronted with the po~ s1 ition that two antd a half years inlteirest on the guarantee lJ, o,nds l1ad been ~oveTdue with the re­ sult that the money had to be found to oav that inrterest. and at the pres­ ent tin1e the 1bon ~ d--holders are mak­ in· g ·an attempt to fo.rce the Govern­ n1ent int~o the position . of paying c0~m 'Y'ou nd interest , o, n the in~terest, \Vhich is an i'nci,dent for whi'ch the presen.t a dministratio~n as:sumes 1 no resn 1onsibilitv whateveT, ·but I hone • an·d trtlst that within the next few 111 nn ths the n:ecessary steps will be · t::t ken to Plrotect our interests as far as pos~ihle.

The Gander Valley Mill There is one other parag ,raoh in connection with the S~ peech fr,om the T'hrone '\Vhi~ ch I have n<.)t yet referred to and that is the G -ander Developme 'nt Project. You will n·otice :flro~n1 tl1e Speech from the Thr:one that this p·ro­ ject has been under the close and • careful scrutiny ~ of the executive Gov­ ernment durin!g rece-nt months.

This rroposition is of such magnitude and of such public imp~ ortance trhat con­ sidor 'able time and care mus:t be taken in o~der to ·see that the co~ untry's in­ terests are pr~operly protected. and . w·hat few resources we have left are not sacrificed ·and bartere · d as in florm­ er years by other go~vern, ments. I thi,nll-{, lVIr.

Speaker, that !before the present Legislature cl,oses that a p' ro­ posiition will be ·'b-rought 1befor · e the House Which shall . ultimately result in a p~ower and paper plant bein , g erected in the Ga.nde-r· territory the re·sult of which vvill ,be of vital im­ portance to the future financ 1ial p1ros­ perity of ~ our country. I think, l\1r.

Speaker, I h· a.ve co,vered the principal points i'n His Excel­ le~cy's most gracious Speecl1 ani d if thr~ ough inexpe ,rience I have hurt or offen~ ded in· any way members of pre­ vious admi'nistrations I sincerely ask to be forgiven as I have ,made such ­ cr~itic~ isms · o,nly as a · spirite~d New­ foundlander "\Vho has the in,terests of his cot1ntry a· s· heart. I therefore, Mr. Spe.aker, have great pleasure in seoonding the motio~n no"v before the House, that a Committee be appointed to draft an adldre· s{ s in· reply to Ifis ' Excellency's most graciolls Speech. HON. LEADER OF OPPOSITION ­ lVflr.

Spea .ker, there is no desire ~o~n n1y part to~ criticise but rather to con- - gratuiate the mo·ver and secon .der of the motio · n for the app,ointment of a Committee to draft an Ad~ dres ' s in Renly to the Speech fr~ om the Thro ·ne. I heartily con'gra.tulate the ne"'\v 111ember for Placentia West, Mr. I

I 18 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCE ·EDINGS Murphy, \Vh· o is an ol· d ·friend of mine an· d I am delighted to see him as one of the mem.bers of the House of As­ sembly but regret to see that he is U ·ll'fortunately On the wron. g side of the House. The Prirme Minister has ju·st spoken of the uncertainty of life. Mr. lVIurphy has given us an instance of the uncertainty of p·oliticallffe only four mo~nths ago he was an ardent supporter of my party.

I trt1st that in a sr:hort while he may ·see the error of l1is ways an· d wan·der back to the fold. · T~his sessikJn form · s an epoch in the ann'als of the p· orlitical history of this country in so mucl1 as it is the first time th.at a district .has returned a 'voman to represent them in the House of Assembly. In congratulating Lady Squires, I trust she will have a suc­ cessful political career and that sl1e ~rill be ,of great assistance in the Hous1e, that she will a·dd l·ustre to the glorious nan1e of -vvomanh·ood and be faithful to the district that she is re­ presenting.

In· the recent by-electi· o~ns all three seats went to the government and re­ ference has been made by the previous speakers to the sweeping majorities in the ·several districts. I cannot see it in that light.

In Bonavista N·ortl1 a_ m ajority of four l1undred and thirty eigl1t at the general election was re­ duced to ·one hun1dre.d and thirty one, a n'd wl1en you consider the largeness of the government n1ajority in the House and· the small band of the Op­ po sition and the implicatio~n~ s made by Oo"'r"ernn1ent candidates that i'f tthe reo11Ie did not vote for them they ··n'ould have to ta·ke· what was coming to tl1en1, I do not con·sider that the by-ele cti ons 'vere victories at all.

I think that the Hon· . member for Ban.avist a North took upon hinTself a difficult ta s~k when he promised that one l1undred and fifty tl1ousand dollars would be spent on the roa·ds of tl1at district and that a mill wou·ld be on tl1e Gander \vithin the next twelve m· o·nths. If he carries out these pro­ mises he wil'l ~be entitled to call it ~ ~ good day's w·ork. Placentia West l1as been . stuffering a great ~ deal of roverty since the ·death of Mr. M. S. Stllliva ·n, I h. ave been actin · g as an un·official ·member f·or the district.

I know that the people of the district had a very poor fishery last year, but judging from the promi ses made by Mr. Murphy, .I s:hould imagine . that in future it will be a land of Milk and Honey. I feel certain th·at if it had ncot been for these extravagant pr·omises and for the presence of a red 'herring in the perso ; n of the In­ · depen~ dent candidate, l\1r. \Valsh would have been retur11ed in that district. Now a1bout Lewisporte, I do not in­ tend to criticize the campaign actions of the Hon. an~ d amia .ble memfber for tl1at district, I will sLm·ply state that, as Mr.

Stanley Baldwin said t· o MLss Susan La \vre :nce in the British House of c~ on1mons, ''as a promiser at elec­ tions, you deserve a gold medal." No'v I ~ don1 't mean to say that L13)dy Squires is entitled t, o a gold medal, if she is, let l1er have it. If the Ron. membercl on the other side of the House \viii bring to mind t"'lat from Septe1nber to October 28th last, when I was then enjoying my brief tenure of office, I ·happened to have a relative in the party, a co11sin in fact.

Because I happen .ed to have a cous~in in n1y Exectitive, it \Vas called the ".fa,mily party." Now, by the same pr.ocess of reasoniiilg i.f my party with my cousin in it was called a family . party, what shotlld the present government be called, with La.dy Squires an'd Sir Ric1l1ar~ d in it? I know L·ady Squires, or rather I sholild say the H· o~ n. men1- ber for Lewisporte, to be a clever and amb1itious won1an. I know S 'he will

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part ir n govern1nent af­ fairs, but ho•pe her a.ctio11s "\Vill never be such as to cause us to naime th9 go T \ :er.nment a petticoat government. LADY SQUIR. ES-La~ di1es are not "reari 1ng them now. EIO~. LEADER OF OPPOSITION ­ I lrnevv that, but I th· o~ ugllt it wot,l~l appear to be too intimate for me LJ ·say so.

One little tiling I would lih.r; to say, and I l1ope Lady Squi.res 'vo:1'~ O 'bject, that W •Omen WhO fought 8 0 I hard for vVo:men St1ffrage ha·d L~ d~-~ Sqtlires opposed to tl1em, it is( ironicR.l f~he woul'd have sn:ttched the fruits of rictory althotigh consistently opp{J~­ illg the cause th·at made the fruits N·ow it is the r~rt of t:hc rluty of t'he Leader of the Opr ·ositjJu lo s:ay of the Speecl1 from tl1e ThrOl!« : ~ tllat ·n1ore .has~ been o1nitted than ~H.ijd. A great deal! has been said abJ ·lt tl1e naval treaties, an. d thls I woula call merely paddin ·g.

T'he real ·ly im­ portant thing is the Gander, I think also that a lot of the Speech from tl1e Tl1ro'ne has been inserted for political purp , o·ses only .and W 'il'l ·never be heard r. • o.l· again. Last year we were told we wo,uld • .have a Commi tttee on the Tariff. a Pu'b- lic Utilities Committee, a Fis,heries Co1nmittee. T·hen there was a Tele- ·phone and Telegraph Contract, a11d I reme.m 'ber Si'r Richard Squires n1enti ·oning my name in part~icular, ·saying that I would be able to sit in my office and converse with London. I haven't been able t~ o do that yet.

Then a.s regards l· o·cal affairs · , I should lilke to see m·em~bers reli'eved of a lot of tlnnecessary detail con­ nected with their districts. After all, to n1y 'vay of thinking, the government is a big btlsiness · . Tl1e same principles apnly to each. De1igence, econo .my 'vitllOllt nigga ,rdliness . , constructive thought and action bring a govern- 1nent · aJgain ·st what I call a11 in~ dustri3.1 Rainbow. As a small •boy before I wen~t to school those in authority ·over me use· d to tell me that at th.e end of every rain lbow was to be found a crock of gold.

H·owever, I never found one a11d I do·n't think Sir Richard Squires will find ·one either. N·ovv we .have a great many p!'lob­ lenls to solve and if the governrne~at applies itself tl1ey are cap·able of solll­ tion. The one outstandin g one is one "\Vhich is causin 1g most the trou ,ble, not c1 ~.1ly i. n ·our own country, ·but all over the "r.orld, ·has ·been entirely o1nitted in the Speech ~rom the Throne, I re­ fer to unemployment. It is, I submit, a 1nistake to h~ ope to solve that prob­ lem merely by expen ·ding mo1ney. The reverse is rather the ca.s·e.

Money spent en~ticing men from their ordin­ ary v·oc.ation , s in· life and illl particular to tb e determen t of our fisheries, tends rather to increase tha. n n1eet the difficulty. R1oa· d 1building in out of the ,~r ay places is more ·harmful than beneficial. I entirely agree with the Hon. 1nem­ be1 r for Placentia West when he says that the fishery is far away the most importan 1 t in•dustry in this cou.n1try.

So important do I consider tl1i.s indtlstry that I think it should be kept clea~r of I • politics altogether, an. d that all classes and creed · s· should jo.ii1 with members of the Con1mis ·sion in getti 1ng together all possible 1nformation abo·ut tl1e fish fr·om the time it enters the water ·until the tin1e it i. s placed on the market. The Speech from the Throne refers to a scientist con1ing here from En.g­ land. I cannot s~ ay I altogether dis-~ agree, 'btlt I subn1it it is sta.rtin · g at th~ 'vrong end.

One should start with the fishermen an din this connecti ·Jn rpat­ tern might lbe taken of what 'is hap- •

I • ' 2J HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCffiJ:EDINGS · penim.g in, Nova Scotia w'here a real effort is bein'g made to' solve the fish­ eries pr·oblen1 w·hich in this country is econon1ic, industrial, educational ~a. nd social. \Vith reference to Agriculture, I should like very muc.h to know what prablem · s are taxing the minds of the Agricultural C~ ommi' ssio~ ners at the present time. I wonder if the Ministe , r of Agriculture an- d l\Iines has rea,d, not the manifesto ·, 'but the manifest of the S. S.

"New.foundl 'and," which ~ on ·her · last trip brought 10,000 sacks of potatoes here while the Nov. a Scoti : a. brought 14,080 sacks, 12,000 b·arrels in all, surely 've can devise ·means to keep this business in .the country. Last year the Minister ~ of Agricul­ tlire a,nd l\1ines had ~ givenr the Ho,us.e to believe that he kn·ew a g_reat deal ab,out bridges and· docks.

Now while it was easy enough to criticise the go,v­ e11n'ment engineer, still ~ a m.an who professes to know so ffiltlch about bridges and docks, s,houl·d know some­ tllin .. g a. bout a simple matter like the gr,owing of potatoes and keep'ing the foreign

article 'Otlt of our market. is that thes,.j taxes have been accruins for ·some time, and if when the col~t­ pa~ ny vvas in the hands ·Of assignees it ltad been undu.ly pushed for · paymer:t, the result wo·uld have ~been fatal. I am glad to see that the Minister of Finance-- an. d ·Customs has now collect­ ed this debt so long due the gov0l'll- 1J.1.en:. Therefore, you will see thPrP are certain extenuatin , g cireumsta:n .ces in oon1nection , with the postp~o~nn1e11t of the collection of those dues bv the ~· N'~ onroe Government.

Now tl1ere is a very v~ ague reference i~n the S'90~ch fro · m the Thro1ne to a ·most impo;~tqn_7: matter, and th.at is i-n c.onnection 'vith the Ga· n·der Bill, where is ,says that the g·overnment are giving it their ea.rn ·est consi ,deration. N~ ow they have had at least two mo,nths ·to ~give it that, and to my mind a decision cou,ld have been aTrive , d at one way or the other i1n a fortni.ght.

As to the Finance Department, the Minister is getti~ng a lot of taxes tlhat have been ' a·ccruing for years ', and so1ne of the- m \Vill never , o,ccur again, and I d~ o not care how well he rna • ­ ages matters financialy, I do n.ot see Why -does n~ot the Minister of Agri- how .next year he ean po,s,sibly balan~ ce culture put this problem of i;ncreased his budget. Here we have a worth- prod·uctio . n of ve~ getables in the coun- while propositio · n, for consideration. try uu to the Commissioners of Agri- .

We have -no !meanrs , of kn~o~ win·g the eu·lture. terms, except such a· s· were published Judging these gentle !men by their in the paper ·s. A Conception Bay vrork, it wo,uld seem to me they should paper gave us~ , I think, a better i!dea be ter1ned ~c. o~m· mi.ssio111ers of Horticul- of the deal than any other. It said ture rather than Agriculture. My req.s~on for suggesting tl1is is· becauRe their habits rese1nble a certain flower of t~1 e fiel.d. '~It toils not, neither does it spin." The Hon. gentle1n .an· from , Pla.ce·ntia "'rest l1as been speaking about Bell r.sl.a..n·d. I q tlite agree with him.

It is a fine thing to get these taxes from the B. E. S. ~co., but there is ~one tni11g tl1at sl1ould be 'borllle in mind and tha.t that ~ one of the concession - s ,sought wa~ s ten tho,us·and square miles of the Labrador. That i, s a little over nine per cent of the \vhole of Otlr conces­ sions. I can quite un·derstand the goverll­ ment hesitatin · g a.bout the partitionin~g of the La~brador if they were absolute­ ly s ~ ure of getting one hu: ndre~ d million dollars for tl1e whole of it, 'but they are not. I ·not not believe they ever ..

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROC!EillJDINGS 21 wrll. But supposing you do. It ~ does not relieve our unernployment. We will still have the sovereignity of the ter­ ritory on our hands, with all the ~x­ pen,ses it entails. Now there is · a guarantee. T·hat guarantee is not one tentl1 an dangerous as t~he guarantee that was given ' the Arm·strong W·hit­ \Vorth Co1npany. We gave them a gu.arantee ·without any ~ security agai.nst the guarantee. Now, as I · un~ derstand it \Ve have a guarantee of our guarantee.

What I mean is that the Hearst Pub­ li.shin l g Cotmpany guarantees to buy a certain .amount of paper for the term of the guarantee, and at a price that woul·d take care of the sinkin ! g fund an·d the interest of the ~bonded is1s·ue. That is good and ·sound business. HON. SIR WILLI .i\Jll COAKER­ W·ould you be , s·atisfied witl1 that guar­ antee? HON. LEADER 0~-, OPPOSITION---J I would ·tlncler the co :1ditions that it was going to solve our labor problem. It i~ s 11ot a copper fastened guarantee 'b·ut the same rus wo·uld be ~gfven a bank. I consider it nothing more than good b.a11ki.ng business.

I feel that tn making tl1is agreement with tJhe Hearst Paper 1Company, it will las-t for the duration of the contract. In that case it i~ s a. dead cert ,ainty. · RON. SIR 1VILLIAM COAKER - . Y o· u can1not be sure of that. JIONo LEADER OF OPPOSITION ­ Well the o·nly other alternative is' to sell it for one hun,dred million dollars . , and give away everything, our mineral a.nd ti:mber areaJs. B-ut I do hope that if you hand over to the Hearst peo,ple tl1e ten tJhousand squ·a.re miles that they are lo·oking for, that we will keep the mineral rights for Otlrselves.

On the other hand the advant~age in this course a;s far as I can. see that Otlr unemployment wo.uld be .solved. An, d -it is WOllld be sittlation patent to everyone th·at if you have ninety-nine 111en and a hundred j-o1 b1 s you hiave a p.retty healthy 1 s~ituatio:n, , but if yo· u have ninety-nine jobs 'and a hundr 'ed ·men, then the labor market g·oes .down.

But w'ith that G. a. n1der proposition you woul · d 'be able to handle a·ll our float­ ing pop,ulatio · n', and in a1ddition to that I fi,gure, ~ and I have seen . it fig·ured by others, that the revenue of this co·un­ try woull d directly and indirectly ·bene­ tit the s~ um of two and half or tJhree n1illion doll ,ars, an. d that is a conlser­ v, aJtive estimate.

I am sure that if the Milnisterr of Finance and Custom 1 s ·h~d ·the as~ sur­ ance of that amo)unt, he would s.ay "I am on easy street, and I can1 now see how I am going to reduce taxation.'' I w·ould ·like the gen·tlemen on the other side to know how we on thi~ s· side feel ~ about this matter. I believe that we ~on this ·side of the House are unanimous in 1believi .ng that this i1s, a good, soun. d bu. s1iness propo~ sititon.

I be­ lieve that we are de,aling wirth strai :ght peopl 1 e, a! n, d I really cannot s~ ee w·hy their is this hesitation. su,re}y there is no sinister influence, no threats be­ ing used to ca·use this hesitation in con1i'ng to terms with thes · e people. If there is any real reason for the g·overnmen ,t'S' ~attitude, then , .it is the dt1ty for t·he govern~ment to· put its cards on the table, take us o1n~ this side into confi ·dence a.nd let us have an open discu~ ssio~n of the whole Gan­ der proposition.

Although you are on the govern ·me,nt s1ide an· d we are on the opp1osition we are just a· s anxioru.s to see a good deal passe~ d for this country. Our districts intended I sup­ pose that we · sho~uld, ~be O · n the gov­ ernment si1de. But ·we are not, but we inte .nd to do our duty to the country at large. We do n·ot want to hin,der y;ou 'in any way but we , d, o want yolt to ta.ke us into your confidence on this

22 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCfE:EDINGS · m1atter, a· n: d let us give Y·OU he bene­ fit of our advice. HON. THE PRIME 1\IINISTER ­ M'r. S•peaker, it i1 s with a thrill of pleasure that I rise now, not to ans­ wer the speech of the Lea1der of the Opposition, but to extend hearty co.n­ gT3.Jtulati-ons t~o the m·over· and the seconder of the Address in Reply to the Speech fron1 the T·hro·ne. llVIr. Sta1rkes delivere.d a. carefully thou ·ght out speec.h, which dealt with the best interests of the country, our fis ·her~es . I than · k him for it.

The new­ ly elected member for Placen ·tia West has shown how it w1as that he was able to turn over 622 votes -in! that dis­ trict, in spite of the fact that some of our opponents do .not think we di'd wel} on the whole. The rubility with whieh Mr. Murphy has dealt with the various points, the clear, potent and sane expre r s1sion of hiSr views shows tl1at at the session p1rogre ·sses, an, d he ' becomes experi ·enced in parlia ·mentary method.s , , his place ~as a speaker, wjl'l be am·ong the first.

Congratulates Candidates I wish t• o a.dd a word of congratul ,a­ tion to the .newly elected ca.ndidates for the variou · s constituencies. I have alre .ady refe1rred to Mr. Murphy. To Mr. Win,sor I want now to say a word. T:he n1ame of Nathan Win1so'r has been identified with the old loyal · family of R. G. Winsor, who sat in this House for years. I feel that i~ Mr ..

Nathan Win1sor we have one w·ho wi·ll ear,ry on the tra,ditions · of that framil~y, and that he will do honor as the years go by to this legislature and to his own dis~ trict of Bonavista North. , In reply to some of the remark s made 1by the Lea,der ·of the Opo.sition, I wish to say that while fo, r his p· o1 ~itics . I have no p'ar.ticul ,ar ·regard, for hi1 s abil lity as an astute an· d cap­ able bu, sine~ ss n1an, able to develop a n en,or:mous an1 d profitable organization he ranks 1 as one ~ of the first am,ongst Ne\vfoundl~ and busdness men· .

An: d if he puts into tl1e con1n1ercial, or legal, or general ~business activities o, f th is country the same enthu 1siastic, earnest an·d oar a1ble effort, that l1e has put into his own affairs, then, , I \Vould consider .him an· outstandi ·ng a.s ~ set to this legtslature. . TllaJl]rs Colleagues The Lea,der of the Opposition has referred to the Agricultural Commis­ sion. as being like the floweT of the fielid. As , a matter .of fact it is the lillies that do· nothin .'g. Now we do not ha·ve any of those on this side of the Hou. s'e 1at all.

We have the type of 1nan that tl1e H~ on. gentleman hi1nself woul 1 d be glad to have a:S captai 'ns of vessels, 111a·sters of crew1s. The type of mall! that "\Vould make goo· d busi :ne ss executives. I want at this, the first public op- ·por'tun1ty, to expres r s my thanks a· s the leader of this party, fo, r the ei1thusiasl'­ tic co-operation and the hard 'vork of th.e Ministe ,rs in the depart ~ nental ot · f.e es, 'vith whom I have the p~ivilege of being surrounded. The past year a g·~~ eat amount of w0rk has been ac­ complishect Modern Business Wa.ys The Hon.

Leader of the fj pposition feels that it is my d~ uty to be at my desk in St. John's ,, rather tha· n to be making a· n effort to be the travelling s1a1es1nan for this country, not offer­ ing the country to the market ~ but th e powers of the country to the market~ its water power an~ d timber. The Hon. member himself n1ay be at his~ de sk .da· y after day, but the valu , a.ble man is the n1an that can go ·an· d get or.der s for his firm, 'S 'ellling his firm to New­ fou ·ndland and to the world.

I can1not sell the ·assets of thi~ s country, I can sell Newfou · n·dland in,finitely better 'bY going into the m~ arkets of the world, than by sen· din~ g a letter to :people in- "

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PRO· CI E,EDINGS 23 terested, or ·as·king them to come and see me. The best W 'ay to ~ do 1busi \ness in· New­ foundlan ! d or a· n,ywhere else, is for the corporation to have · a capab]e ·man go­ ing to the marl{ets where (he can place his goo~ d'S . My Hon. friend may have that pa.rticular American touch wl1ich ·he ·can put into h'is letters whi-ch will bring orders, but I for one prefer the person 1al contJact. Q11estion of Labt·ador Reference has been made to the Labrador.

I would be exceedingly sorry to see this govern~ ment follow the practises of previous · administra­ tions, in parcel ·ling out that territory. Some time ago, a gentleman, to whom I think he referred, pro,duced letters from peo,p1e to show that p1reviou . s a.d­ m'inistrations were reported to have 1-; arcelled it out in part ·at least. Now about chasing rain ·bows. There are lots of worse thi-ngs i: n life than seeing rainbows · , tl1an chasing them.

Scripture tells u· s, that "people \Vith­ out vision perish." If the Leader o.f the Opposition could see a rainbow on his politic 1al horizo , n n~ ow he wotlld be infinitely ·happy. With reference t~o the remark of my ho~ nour'a;ble frien , d tl1e leader of the Opposition about farmers, I do not k1now if it is meant as derision but I do know thaJt all the men o· n thi~ s ' side of tJhe House are all hard working n1en-men of the type who con1·man, d ves1sels, 111en w·ho are masters of crews, men who are good ;business ex­ ecutives, in a wofld, the type of men tl1at this country needs.

I d· o not intend to enter into deb~ate, but I wa· n:t to express my .appreciation a·n· d thank-s of the three c~onstituencies a11d districts, I want to thank them an'd congratulate the elected candi­ date · s for their loyal an· d enthusiastic \vorl{ on 'behalf of tl1e party; we do . not pla. y the "~arne of politics" ·but we i aim .at so·me real. business accomp]ish- ments : , I ta,ke this opportunity of thankin 'g once again my party f}or their lo·yal eo-operation a·nd also the leader O 'f the Oppos ·ition for promi~ sing the aid of his considera .ble executive a'bil·ity. · Hon. the Prime Minister ·gave notice th!at ·he wo.ul· d on to-morro~w move the Hott ,se into . a Committee of the Whole t· o cons iider Resoluttons for the -...

Confirmation of a· n1 Agreement be-. tween His Excellency the G~ overnor in Council .and the Dominion Iron an· d Steel Company Limited ~ an1 d the Nova Scotia SteeL and Coal C'omany Lt·d. Hon. the Prime Minister gave notice that he woul 'd on t:o-morrow ·ask leave to introduce a Bill entitled "An Act to Amend and C~ onsolidate the Law rel'ating to Procedure un~der Sum111ary Jurisdictio ,n.'' Hon. the Prime Minrster gave n~otice that he · woul1 d on to-morrow a.s· k leave to i'ntro ,duce a Bill entitled "An Act t, o Amen · d

Chapter 51 of the ~Co~n­ solidated Statutes , J (Third Series) en­ titled ·"Of Nuisances and Municipal!

Regulation 's.'' !{on'. the Prime Minister gave notice that he would on to-m · o,rrow ask leave to "introduce a Bill entitled '~'An Act further to Amend the Tourrst Commission Act." Hon. the Prime Minister gave notice · that he woul1 d on to-morrow m: o,ve the House into a Co·mmittee of the Whole to consider certain Resolutions ln rel.ation to the establishment of a Water and Sewerage system at West Corner Brook." Hon. the Mini ,ster of P~osts an~ d Tele­ graph ; s gave notice that he would on to,-morrow ask Teave to· introduce a Bill enti.tled "An Act .for the Regula­ ti. o·n~ of Radio ' Tele ,gr·ap·hy."

- 24 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROOE ;EDING 'S Ho.n. the Minister of Fin~ ance and C·ustoms gave notice that he wo.uld on to-morrow ask leave to introduce a B"il11 entitled "An· Act to Amen · d C·hap­ ter 22 of the Consoli ,dated Statutes (Thir~ d Series) entitled 'Of the Cus- tom's.' " The Minister ·of Agriculture and Mine:s gave notice that .he would on to-morro · w ask leave to fntro ~ duce a Bill entitled "An Act respecting Crown La:nd·s, Tin1ber, .Mineral , s and Water Power." Hon. the Min!ister ·of Finance and Customs gave notice that he would om. to-morrow m·ove thrut Supply be gr.ant­ e' d to His Majesty.

Hon'. the Minister of Pos,ts tabled Report ~o· f Postal Department, 1929. Ho1n\ . tlhe C·olonial Secretary tabled Annual Rep~ort of Registrar General of Births, Death~ s and Marriages, 1929, an, d the An· n,ual Report of St. John's Ge1neral H,o· s~ pital. Hon1 . the Mini ,ster of Fi; n,ance and Cu,stoms tabled the following Docu­ ments: Statement of Customs Revenue eollected in, the Colony during the year ended 30th J·une, 1929. · iStatement of the Imports a'n· d Ex­ p,orts ·Of the ~ Colony for the year end­ ed 30th Ju,ne, 1929.

A C·omparative Statement of Go· o,ds, Wares and IV;ercha. n·dise im­ ported into the Colon , y during the years ended 30th June, 1928 and 30th June, 1929, r s·howing i'n1Creases 1and decrea i sr e, s 1for the years 1928-29. A ~ Compar. ative Statement ·of Re­ venue received at each outport for the years 1927-28 and 1928-29. A Comparative Statemen , t of Li1ght Dues, sho~wtng eol 'lecti ·ons at each outport for the years 1927-28 an· d 1928-29. A Returm.

Ci f the Banlr Fishery for the year 1929. 1 A S t~a tement sho.\ving the Revenue colle cted on Goods · , Wares and 1\fer­ chand.i se im:ported througl1 the Post Office. Statement showinrg the n1oven1e:1t· s of Shipping ·during the yea.r e11'ded 30tl} June, 1929. kn ~bstract of Sl1ipping f.Jr the year ended 31st Decen1ber, 1929. lVIr. Alderdice gave notice of que s·- tion. Mr. Wi,nter gave notice of question. Mr. Ab1bott gave notice of questio11. Mr. Bryne gave notice of question. 1\fr. Ben.nett gave ·notice ·Of qtlestion Mr. Quinton !gave ·notice ·of question.

It \vas m~ ove' d an. d secon ,ded · tl1at when the H·ouse ris ·es it adjourn . until to-morrow afternoon, May 29, at tl1ree of the clock . . T·he House then adjourned accord­ ingly. THUR.SD A Y, Ma)r 29th, 1930. The Hou~se met at three of the clock i: n the ,afternoon pursuant to adjourn­ ment. lliR. TOBIN (St. Jo:hn~ 's E3.Jst E.xtern) ----Mr. Speaker, I beg leave to present a petition from the resi \dents of Tap­ per's Cove, Torbay, asking for a grant to repair ~ a ro!ad connecting that place 'vith the Highroad. This road · is very much used for hauling fish from the stages.

This r~ oa~ d is in . a practic ally i· mpos~ s i'ble conditio · n, and the pe.ople are there ·by put to great incon­ ven.ience. I ask that the ~petition be referred ~o the departn1ent to. wh·ich it relates. Mr. Alderdice gave notice of ques · ­ tion. Mr. Emerson gave n· o~tice of ques­ tion. Mr. Byrne gave notice of question . Mr. Winter . g.ave notice .of question. I •

HOUSE OF P~SSEMBLY PROCEEDINCS 25 :rv'Ir. Bennett gave notice of ques­ tion. Mr. Quinton gave notice of question. The Minister of Marine and Fish­ ctries gave notice that he would ·o~n to­ morro\v ask leave to introduce a Bill e11titled "An ~ct to Amend

Chapter 11 of the Consolidated Statutes (Third Series) entitled 'Of the D~Jpartment of Marine and Fisheries.' " N ot~ce of Moti-on F11rsuant to n·otiee and leave granted and on motion of Hon. the Prime · Min­ ist,)r, the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend and Consolidate the Law re­ lating to .Procedure under

Summary Jurisdiction," was introduced and read a first tim· e· , and it was ordered that the said Bill be read a s· ~rcond time on tJ-morrow. Pursuant to notice and leave granted and on motion of Hon. the Pri.me Minister, the Bill entitled "An A-ct to Amend

Chapter 51 of the' Consolid­ ated Statutes (Third Series, entitled 'Of Nuisances and Municipal Regula­ tions,' _ , was introduced and read a first time ,and it was ordered that the said Bill b(_t read a second time ·O· n to­ morrow. Pursuant to notice and leave granted and on motion of Hon. the Prime Min­ ister, the Bill entitled . "An Act further to Ame·nd 'The Tourist Commission \ Act, 1927 ,' " was introduced and read . a first time, and it was · O ·rd(.tred that the said Bill be read a second time on tomorrow.

Pursuant to notice and on ·motion of Hon. the Prime Minister the House ·r·e­ solved itself into a c-o,mmitteC' of the Whole to consider ce~tain Resolutions in re·Iation to the Establishment of a Water and Sewerage System at W c1st Corner Brook. Mr. Speaker left the Chair. Mr. Smith to·D· k the Chair of Com­ mittee. HON.. THE PRIME · lliiNISTERw-­ Mr.

Chairman, these R~Jsoluticns do not constitute a party measure; they are intended to assist the people of Corner Brook in the devel8pment of a wa!te-r an'd S ·e¥r£rag · e ·system .of their own, as a public utility · , irrespective of party politics, and mainly through the activities of the peopl~) themselves.

They have sulbscribed $10,000 of their own cash at par for $1.0,000 worth of common stock in the company, and the International P·J·wer & Paper Com­ pany are, so I am informed, purchas­ ing $10,000 worth of common stock, and the Gov~trnment will, undoubt­ edly, give some assistance with the capitalization of approximately $30,- 000. They will have a sufficient sum ot money, ·o.n the basis of common stocl(, to put through their O'\vn water an'l sewe-rag~• system. These Resolutions have been drafted by th· e solicitor for the International Power & Paper Co. in co-operation with Mr. Dunfield. Mr. C. E.

Hunt, in this capacity, has acted on be·half ·o.f the local Company·, which consists of Mr. S. D. Cook and a larg'".J number of citizens in that terri­ tory, all of whom are putting money into the venture.

It is thought that by giving them a charter letting them provid · e their own money, giving them pow·e· r to. open up stre~tts, it will not only be an enormous benefit to the territory, not only relieve the Gov­ ernment from possibilities of v\2ry great exp·e·nse in connection with water and sewerage, possibly epi­ demics of typho ·id, but it will develop a spirit of municipality, a spirit of bus.in(:'SS management, an efficiency in handling their own activitie-s, which will be well worth while. " I have asked Mr.

Hunt, of Hunt & Emerson, who are joint solicitors for the Company and the people of Cor­ ner Bro.ok and the International Powcrr & Pap·er Company, which are •

., 26 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS - shareholders, to attend at the House this afternoon so that if any questions were asked he would be able to give information through the Cle·rk of thct House ·o.r through myself. I would suggest that . we proceed with the reading of the Resolutions so that any disputed points can be dealt with at tomorrow's sitting. ' lliR. El\IERSON (Placentia East)- r.!r. · Chairman, might I ·ask if the Prin1 - e lVIinister intends ,to giv- e u~ s a g·en·era 'l i·dea of the p· ower~ s of these R~ es· oluti·ons· ?

Re·solution No. 1 might not indicate to us ~exactly what it • m·eans ·except in relation to som~ e ·other Res·olution. HON. THE PR.Il\IE MINISTER-Mr. Chairman, in reply to th·e- Hon. me,m­ ber I may say th·at the -object of the Res0lutions is first to · e:nable this company t· o handl~e th~ e prolblem of pro­ viding water and · S ·ewerage from a phy.sica.l standpo-int, to giv· e th·em the right to dig up streets, expr·opriate property; in th· e event of th· e co~m· pany b·eing unable to agr~ e~e with the o~ wner th·ey hav- e the p-ow·e.r to tak· e over the pr-op~erty at reason·abl~e co· m,p~ ens~ti·on.

If an~ y- one should wilfully put ,th· e s-y.s­ tem out of order they shall b~ e liruble to 'be d-ealt with 1before th· e Magi· strat~ e- . There i· s a provisi·on which, apart from any pr·evious Acts, . if it ts thought desira,bl~ e by any then exist­ ing gov·ern ·ment to tak1e ov~er the o·r­ ganization, the· y s:hall have c·ertain p-o'v·ers so to do. ·The co~mpany is un- der · o·biigation to caus· e a sufficient , supply of water to be provi 'd·ed within th- e territory it is appropriating.

Th.e . c.omp:any ha-s power, .subject to c·ertain Ex,ecutive governm ·ent autho -rity, to deal 'vi.th the matter · ·of rates i.n that territory, s-om·ething similar, though not as broad and in this case subject to contr .ol, as the Municipality of St. John's or any otl1er Municipality. Th~ere is also the u~ sual provi ·sion in

an Act of this · S ·ort provi ·ding f.or th· e G -overnor in Council to appoint an ass·es.so· r to d- e:al with the matter of taxation; th- e company app-oints its o·wn management and a collector to look after the am-ounts du~e. There i~ s a provis.io~ dealing with judgment b·efore a Magistrate in re.sp·ect of de­ fault · o~f paym.ent. Ther · e is a provision u.nder

Section 14 ~ de :all ing .with ~drain·s and sewers, th·ere is- a provision mak­ ing it eompulsory within c-ertain limits for wate-r an· d s-ewerage to b·e in~ stall­ ed 'by pro~erty own~ers. T· h·er· e is a pro­ vi.si~ on for ~ suit in th· e ·event of default in payment of any rates o- r ass·ess­ ments. The G·ov·ernor in Coun·cil has general po,ver to ·control regulatio -ns whicl1 may be neees ,sary ·o~r ·expedient for the prevention of th· e w~aste of water. HON. I~EADER OF OPPOSITION­ l\1r. ·Chairman, may I ask who is r P'~!10n, sjble for water rates . , th-e- own­ ers or the tenants? JION.

THE PRIME ]IINISTER-Mr. Cl1airman, primarily the property; th· e r-o~pany will coll~e.ct th· e rate 'S from w·ho1n tn ·ey may be wbl· e to· eollect. Se,ction 18 says: (Se-e- page 8 of Act) Then there is· th- e usual clau·se with respect to free importation of supp,ies under c~ertain circum.stan ·ces which reads: 18.

When any re-rson shall make de­ fault in the paym ·ent of any rate or a~ sse• s·sment paya!ble by virtu · e of this Act, and such p·erson s·hall re. sid~e out of We·st Corn ·er Bro·ok ·or b· e ab·s· e·nt from the Colony, and shall not have any known ag·ent in the ·district, notice of a.nv summ·O·ns issued agains't him f·or rat~es ~shall b· e po.sted on. the do-or of the C-ourt H-ouse at Corner Broo~k and E~ erved up·on the p-erson in po.s­ se-ssion of th· e premises f.or w·hi-ch the rates payable, or, if no person . be In

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY FROCEEDINC ·S 27 r ·o ~ s- ess.J.on, affixed upon so.me part of tl1·e .said pre·mi:ses, and su·eh affixing of n-otice or s·ervice shall be d·eemed go.od ser·vice, an· d ju,dg. e·ment m~ay b· e ente ·r­ ed by default against the p-erson li­ able for such rate or assessment as if sucl1 persJn had been personally gerved with a summons, provided th- e Stipen •diary Magistrat.e shall · s: o .or­ der. Any unpaid judgment for rates and assessments shall be a preferen­ tial charge upon the property in re­ spect of which it is imposed not- 'vi thstan .ding any transfer of own·er­ Ellip thereat.

This, l\1r. Chairma ,n, i· S a bri· e· f o· f the wh·ole R.es·olutions. RON. LEADER OF OPPOSITION.­ Will the s ~'rviee referred to in this

section be used for Fire Protection? HON. THE PRIME MINISTER.­ Yes. ~IR. EMERSON.-There is n· O · pro­ vision made in the Bill for erection meant for use as Fire· Prot.e ,ction. HON. THE PRJ~IE MINISTERw­ I-Iydrants re.fL.lrred to in

Section 7 are meant for use as Fire Protection. MR. EMlERSON~-Would it be agree­ able to change the

section to read "Hydrants fo. r Fire Protection," in­ stead of "Hydrants." HON. THE · PRIME MINIS ·TERw- y L-•S. MR. EMERSON .-Referring to Sub­ Sections 1 and 2,

Section 9, I think it wou ld be better if instead of 100 feet pipe line, it was to read 200 feet, as this would enablL-' a ·number of ·houses that would otherwise be left out to in.­ stall water and sewerage. In Sub­

section 2, I think wh·en referring to . churches and schCJ·Ol houses, etc., tho word "Compellable" should be used, as these people would be able to bring more pressure to b\:•ar on ordinary householders and would have more pe rsu asive powers provided they themselves had water and s~~werag€ installed. HON. LEADER OF OPP·OSITION.­ Mr.

Chairman, As the e::.untry is going to be committe · d to a liability by guar­ anteeing the expenditure of this un­ dertal{ing, it would be int,Jrestillg if the honorruble introducer of these Re­ solutions obtained for tl1e House par­ tictllars as to h::Jw the Go.vernment is financing this project, as compared with th~· financing of other \Vater ser­ vices in which the country guaranteed the expenditure. Perhaps the Hon. the Prime Minister has some facts in connection therL.•vvith that he might submit at the next sitting. RON. THE FRlliE MINISTER.­ Mr.

Chairman, there are various pub­ lic service ~yst __ !ms in Newfoundland in vrhich this House guaranteed ex­ pend4tures, such as Dry Docks, Hotel Ft>,cilities and Water Services. In the cas- e ·Of Water Compani.::s we have had experience in the past of some losses. I understand the Har­ bor Grace Water Company mot with som· e losses; but the Carbonear Water Company did not. In the case of the Placentia Water Company, I tl1ink they came out fairly well. A fe\v years ago there were some claims through the op~ eration of that Water ·Company, but I do not know the actual figures just now.

I know that the losses in connection with Marine Docks have been very very co.nsiderabl\:' in the past. How­ ever, I shall be glad to get the actual . figures, as asked for by the ..tion. Leader of the Opposition, ~or to­ morrow. HON. LEADER OF OPPOSITION.­ ! presumo we will have particulars of the financing of this Water Service incorporated in the Bill. HON. THE PRDIIE MINISTER.­ Mr. Chairman, in reply to the Ron. Leader ·of the Opposition, I might say

23 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS · that during the Committee stager of the Bill the d·etails of the financing and the system of the organisers of the Company will be incorporated. Be­ fore th ~'

Preamble is read I would like to point out that the Solicitor f·or the Company has submitted descriptions of boundaries !. In the second sulb­ pararagph to paragraph (1) th-ere is an amendment, which reads as fol­ lows: (Reads) Th ~1 diagram is now in the House but it is not in the form that the Soli­ citor desires it. MR. E]IER~ SON .-Is there any pro­ vision made to protect the source of the water supply from pollution? HON. THE PRIME .

MINISTER.­ The water supply is boing secured from the Company's dam, which is the water which supplies Corner Brook proper and that is under protecti on already in their o'vn interest. HIS HONOR TI1E SPEAJ{ ~ R .-- 1!""!~ . Chairman, in connection with para­ graph (2) the

Section states that tl1e finding of th~ arbitrator shall be final and binding. In case of any questions of law arising as to the determining the am· o.unt of compensation, would it not be well to reserve th· e right of ap­ peal to th ~· Courts. Particularly does that apply where lands held for a cer­ tain purpose have enhanc.e · d in value. Besides there is no direct Ilrovision in th (,t Act placing a charge on the lands; the Act gives mer~ely a p·ers0n­ al rigl1t against the person using the water without the consent of the proper officers. HON.

T'HE PRIME MINISTl~R.-­ I shall be glad to draw that to the at­ t .)ntion of the Soli citor. Mr. Speaker resum ed the Chair. Th e Chairman from the Committee reported that they had considered the matter to th .... m referred, had passed the said Resolutions 'vith some amend- ments and recommended the intro­ duction of a Bill to give effect to the san1e.

On motion this report was roceived and adopted and the Bill, entitled "An Act Respecting the· Esta·blishment of a "\Vater and Se,verage System at West Corner Brook" was r(,1ad a first time, and it was orderled that the said Bill be read a see~}nd time on to-morrow. Pursuant to notice and leave grant­ ed, and on motion of the Hon. the Min­ ister of Posts and TeLJgraphs, th· e Bill entitled "An Act for the Regulation of Rad io Telegraphy" was introduced and read a first time, and it was ordered that the said Bill be read a s~1cond timP. · O · n tomorrow.

Pursuant to notice and leave grant­ ed, and on motion of the Hon. the Min­ ister of Finance and Customs, the Bill entitled "An Act to Amend Cl1apter 22 of the Consolidated Statutes (Third ·Series) '-'n'title-d 'Of the ·Customs,' u 'vas introduced and read a first time, and it was ordered that the said Bill be read a s-econd time on tomorrow.

Pursuant to notice and leave grant­ ed, and on moti· o- n of the Minister of Agriculture and Minos, the Bill en­ titled "An Act respecting Crown Lands, Timb·er, Minerals and Water Power ' was introduced and read a first time, and it was ordered that the said Bill be read a S~(!ond tim· e on to­ morrow. Pursuant to notice and ·on motion of Hon. the Minister of Finance and Customs, Supply was granted to His l\Iajesty. NOTICE OF QUESTION

(1) HON. THE LEADER OF TIHE OPPO j S,JTION.-To ask the Hon. th· e C-olonial Secr·etary w·hat agre ·e­ ment, arrang ·ement or charter has be~ en made by th~ e Gov· ernm~ e-nt with S.S. Basque (e· x Arcihat) and to lay on th· e table of the House a copy of any such agreement, ~ arrangeme.nt o· r

• HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 29 charter tog•ether with all Minutes of C·oun·cil relativ · e thereto, and all eo·r­ respon · d·en·ce leading up to the making of sueh agre ·eme-nt, arrang .ement or eharter and all corr ·esp·ondenc e in conn•ection the-rewith, since th· e ~said charter was made ·: (;a.) What payment have been mad· f to the owne.rs of th· e said steamer in conn·ection th·er.ewith, and from what vot· e or fund wer€ such payment · s made. (b) \Vhat inspe ·cti·on has been made of:-

(1) The hull.

(2) The machinery an'd b·oilers . of tb e said v· ess~ e.J b·ef.or· e · O · r sinc.e the sai· d agreement, arrang· em~ ent or cb arter was made. (

c) Wh~at i· S the age of the said ves­ sel and wher · e was s·he pre·vious1y e·m­ pl·oyed, ana during what period~ s. (

d) The nam·es of th· e ·officers of the said shin since its employment to date, A- stating which, if any ·of them . , h·ol~d cer.tificates of competency for their­ respectiv · e po,sts. HON., COL,ONIAL SEtCRETAR .Y.­ Mr. Speaker, In reply to the qu·estion , in today's Order Paper as asked by the Hon. the Leader of the Opposi­ tion, I beg to say that the answer is in co1arse o~ preparation and will be tab 1 ed as soon as possible.

(2) MR. WINTER.~To as· k the Ron. C· ol~ onial S·ecr·etary: · (

a) To lay on the ta'ble ·of the· H·ous· e a statement regarding all n· e·gotiations for a pr·opose · d Agreement with , t·he R·eid Newfoundland C·o·mpany ·Or their ass Jciates for the establishment of a Pap·er Mill at Indian Bay, and to table copies an· d all ·eo·rr·es.po· n· d·enee relat­ ing to the same. (

b) To lay on the table ~of the Hou~ se a report of all c· o·nversations b·etween the Prime Ministe-r o·r/and M·e-mbers of the Ex·ecutiv€ with:- (

i) The Inte·rnational P.aper C·om­ pany or their representativ ·es. (ii) Th, e R·eid Ne.wf,o.undlan · d Com­ pany or their associates regarding the pro· p· o.sed ·establis ·hm·ent of a Paper Mill at Indian Ba·y. (

c) To lay on the table of th· e Hou.se eopi ,es of all c·orre tspondence with any other per.son ·or p·ersons other than th· e International P~ ap.er Co.mpany and th· e Reid Newfoundland Co .. , relativ.e t~ o the prop .os· e· d estaiblishm€ ·nt of a Pap·er Mill at Indi an Bay. HON. THE COLONIAL SEC·RE. TARY.-Mr. Speaker, in reply to the question asked for by the Hon. member for Burin East, I beg to table the correspondence, and with your permission, Sir, will read the various letters for the benefit of honorable members. Reid Newf.oundl rand Com:)any, St.

John's, ·Newfoundland, May 21st, 1930. 'rhe Hon·orable the Colonial Secretary. Sir,-In Se ptember, 1929, w· e laid be­ ftore C·ouncil a memorandum of pro­ posals for the erection of a paper­ mill at India . n Bay with a capacity o. f 1,000 tons per day, which scheme it wa.s po.ssible to carry out only if we obtain ·ed certain conc ·essions from th· e ~ 'lY.ernmen t. The·se c-oncessions ( ~s finally ·set 011t in a lat er edition of the m·emoran­ ntim in February, 1930, which varied only in minor details from the former ryne) m,ay be su·mmed up und·er four main heads: -

(1) Changes in the Gande . r Com­ pany's charter necessitated by the change of th· e mill-site from Gander Bay to Indian Bay.

(2) C·onstructio · n by or for the Governmen 1 t of a branch railway from Bent~on to Indian Bay, in·st·ea· d of that ·called for under the 1927 Act from Glenwo .od to Gander Bay.

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(3) The s~le by the C<Jvernment to the Company for t'ven~y milli-on cords of pulpwood from L1.braror, to ensure a sufficient su ~"ply for a 1,000-ton mill. ( 4) The guar~ ante· e by the Govern­ ment ·Of $15,000,000 of second-mo .rtgage . debentures, conditional on the Com- pany's procuring the Eale of from 35 to 45 million dollars of first-mortgage bon·ds, and c.onditional c:lEo on the C·ompany's pr·ocuring a ~rm C ·ontract f.or the sal· e of 310, 000 ~ons of news­ print pe. r year for fifteen years, guaranteed by the Hearst newspaper in,terests.

When th·ese propo .sals wer· e mad· e to the Governm·ent in Septem ·ber, 1929, we exp€cted to obtain s·ome time in Novemb·er or D·ec·ember an Ord·er in Council which w·ould au~horize us to proceed with preliminary work, such as railway survey, clearing railway right of way, and cutting of ties and timber ~or all construction purposes; th,at th· e Legislature would open in F·ebruary ·or March; and that pro­ gra·mme for the co~nstru· cti·on of the works could begin in May.

It is now nearly the end ·of May, and in spite of repeated requests we have as yet no ·Official intimation of th·e at­ titude of the government toward ! s th· e Gander scheme, although we le·arn to­ day wit'h surpris · e that the Legislature is t· o open in a wee-k's tim·e. The· d·elay which has occured has seriously in­ terfered with the construction pro­ gramme, which is largely governe · d by s· e.asonal eonditions. In th· e ab·senee of a decision from th· e Governm ·ent, it has not been possible to mak·e ev;en tentative arr1angements for the sale of th· e bonds and debentures.

The steps recently taken by the Government looking to the forfeiture of our Crown timber licenses have seriously disturbed both ourselves and our associates, and we are unable to reconcile this procedure with a sincere desire to promote the ·scll·eme which we have submitt ·ed for the Gander devel ·opment.

S~o long as these writs, m·enacing t\vo~thirds O · ! the pulp­ w.oo1 su~ply assembled in Newfound­ land for th· e mill, are not with-~rawn . no bankers will think it worth their while to enter int~ o any negoti ,atio.ns for financing the ente .rprise until the legi~lation has actually passed, and this 'viii furth ·er delay the starting of .. the "~. orks.

Vle f.eel, and our associates concur in the fe·eling, that after ·over seven mo·ntl1s' considera ti~ on of the pro­ pos.als, th· e Government should be pre­ pared to indicate at once whether it will or will not grant the concessions and undertake to put through th· e ne­ cessary legislatio · n at the coming ses­ sion, or whether the scheme must b-e aband ·oned. If, (as we are unofficially given to und·erstan·

d) some m·odifica­ tion in th· e details of the c·once ·ssions asked for would be ess·ential in o·rde· r to s~ e-cure the supp .ort of the Govern­ ment for the scheme, we would re­ spectfully request that the·s·e be in­ dieated in the Government's reply.

Any such m·odifications will be promptly communicated to our a·s­ S ·oclates, and if th·ey and we fin· d that the changes which the Gov·ernm·ent re· ­ gards as essential can be m· a·de with­ out imperilling the succes.s of the en­ terpri · s· e we shall b·e glad to .arrange for a r·epresentative of our associates to come here promptly an· d j ~ oin in s·e.ttling the details of an agreement to be s.ub·mitJted to the Legislatttre. I have the honor to be, Sir, Your ob·edi·ent servant, (sgd.) R. G. Reid, Vice-President.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 31 The Government's Reply Dept. of the Colo·nial Secr·etary, St. John's, Newfo .un·dland, May 27th, 1930. Sir,-I hav· e th· e h·On·or to acknow­ led ge the receipt of your communica­ tion under date May 21st, and to intim~ate that the same was submitted to, and considered by the Executiv · e Governm ·ent at its last meeting. I am directed to reply as follow~s :- Tl1e Government is de.sirious of, an· d ke enly interested in securing the es­ ta blishment of an industry in th· e Gand·er Valley, which will be ~of per­ ma nent value to the Co1·ony.

Your statement ·Of the various ·st·eps \Vhich y·Du allege you have taken to­ \var ds the consummation ·Of an agre-e­ ment with the Governme-nt, is not in ac cordance with all tlie f.acts. In Se~te mb·e r Ia.st a mem·orandum was subm itted to ~he Governm ·ent by Mr. J . P. Powell, who claimed to b· e acting on behalf of the R·eid interests . At that time he intimated that his principals exp·ected a decision fro . m the Gov-ern­ ment within o· n· e w·eek. Thi's was p.al­ pa bly an unre . a·sonatle propo ·sal.

The Ex e-cutive Government immediately appointed a Sub-Qommittee to consid­ er th· e terms of this me.mo.ran·dum, an· d a numb ·er of meetings wa, s held by ·~ thi s C·ommittee, Mr. P·owell b·eing pre­ sent. Before the di-scussi ·ons had pro­ gres sed far ·enough to warran~ th· e Sub-Committee in reporting any d·efi­ nite finding, Mr. Po.well, with ·out any . no~t iee to the G·o~vernment, returne · d to New York. The Gov·ernment he.ard no­ thing further from Mr.

Pow·ell or his pr incipals in relation to· the memo­ randum until some time in Februarv , of this year, when another document was .submi,tted for the Governm .ent's consi ·deration. Up~on this d·ocument, th· e Government has the f.oll·owing com ments to make:-

(1) The d·ocument contain.s no de­ finite unde~taking f.or the establish­ ment of a Mill on the Gand·er ~ e·ven if th· e con·dition ! s b· e m·et in full. It me·re­ ly amo·unts t· o a reque ·st for an und·er­ taking by the G·ov·ernment to give cer­ tain concessions to a C·orporation known a. s the Dominion N·ewsprint Co·mpany. Tl1is Cor t: orati~on asks that it be given a perio · d ·Of thr·ee months in whi-ch to decide whether it will! or will n~ot, a.cce,~t and act on conce.s·sj lllS granted at its O"\Vn reque ·st. More · o ·rpr, thi~s D·ominion Newsprint Compan ·.r is a fore-ign concern ·of vihos · e fin an ci.al stan;ding the Government has ll'O know­ ledge.

(2) The agreem ·ents contained in the proposals of th~e D·ominion Newsprint C~ ompany offer no assurance whatever of a sati·sfactory disposal of th· e im­ mense . output of the propo ·sed Mill. In view of the conditions existing in the pape-r mark et to-day, the Governme-nt regard such an assuranc-e as vitally es·s·ential to the c~ontinuous an· d suc­ c-es·sful operati ·on of an undertaking of such magnitude.

(3) Under

Section 9 of. the propn ·sed a~reements between th· e Reid l s ~nd the Dominion New.sprint Company, the latter ean repudiate the wh~ ole un 1er­ taking upon the happening of any one of the events mentioned in Sub-Sec­ tion (

a) of that

Section which is quot­ ed herewith. (a) "The Newsprint Company shall be entitled at its option to terminate this agreement at any time in any one of the following events, namely:- (

i) In th· e ·event that any of the repr ·esentations of the Reld Company contain ·ed in Clau ·se 1 here~ of are found to be subst ~ nti a lly incorrect; or ( ii ) In the event of a.ny­ thing happ .ening after the date of ·execution of the handwriting or purchas e agreement with the

32 f-IOUSE OF ASSEl\1:BLY PROCEEDINGS -- bankers herein above referred to which operates to reli ·eve the bank·ers fr·om thejr obligations under such agre-ement and which is not imputable to the fault or neglect of th· e News­ print Company; or in the event that the b~ankers fail to perform the underwriting or purchas · e agre ·ement, provided such fail­ ure is not imputable to the pro­ curement, fault or neglect of the Newsprint Company; or ( iii ) In the e-vent that the opinions exrre .ssed in their above mentioned rep·orts by M·essrs.

Acres, Sewell or Fer­ guson are not substantially confirmed by consultirg en­ gineers of recognjzed standing to whom the same may b· e sub­ mitted for report by the News­ print Company; Provided, however, that th· e right of the N·ewsprint Company to terminate this agreement in this particular event shall ex­ pire, if not exercis ·ed within thre· e months from the date of passing of the statute referred to in Clause 3 hereof; or (iv) In the event of the out· break of war involving any of · the first class powers or the happenings of any other cala­ mity of national ·or internation­ al imp-ortance seriously affect­ Ing th· e financial markets in the United States and Canada or the valu · e of the proposed guarantee of the deb·entures of th. e Gander C·ompany by the Gove·rnment of Newfoundland or the occuring of an event or events operating to · s.eriously injure the price of and market for new·spaper in the United States.'' The s .ub-Section just quoted practi­ cally gives the Newsprint C·omp.any power to nullify the agreement if they feel disposed so to do, for any reason. ( 4) Under the provisions of the pro­ posed agreement between Reids and the Newsprint Com pany, as contained in the official copy submitted, the Reid Company is to receive payments o. f sums of m·oney for turning over to the operating Company certain ri ~hts and property.

This official CO·PY has been mutilated, and the words stating the sp·ecific amounts to be paid for rights and prop .erty, and for working capital, deliberately cut out. The Government declines to enter into any agreement which involves the payment of any sums of money to any p·ers.on ·or firm, without th· e fulleRt knowledge o. f the amount thereof, an.d full particulars in connection th·ere­ with.

It is most unreasonable to re­ qrest the Gov·ernment to beccme a party to a ~ontract, and to assume larg· e financial obligations, while the full terms of s.uch contract are not re­ V ·ealed, as in the present instance.

(5) At various times it has been suggested by the Reids that the Hearst interests ~ "'uld purchase the total output ·of the propo .sed Mill. Nowhere in th·e n·egotiations con­ ducted with the Government or in the proposals submitte - d to the Govern­ ment, has any specific undertaking in this respect b·een given by the Hearst interests.

(6) The Government has, o:;.1 various I occasion ·s, intimated to the Reids that Hearst interests, who are alleg .ed to be primarily interested in this under­ taking, should b· e pre·sent at, and par­ ticipate in the negotiations. The Reids, however, have, from time to time ig­ nored these representations, and have by omis ·sion, at any rate, declined to bring in confe1 ence with the Govern­ ment, the third party to th· e proposed agreement. \ I

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(7) With referenee to the paragr .aph of your letter dealing with the action of the C·overnment in con_ n·ection witl1 your Crown timber lic-enses, the Gov­ ernment holds that that acti ·on neith ·er improves nor impairs your title to this property. The c.on·ditions under which ,rour lieenses are forfeitable, are con­ tin ui~ ~' and can only be cured by

an Act of the Legislature, which you sug­ gest bankers will r·equire before entering · into negotiatio·ns for fiinancing. The writs in que·stion are not aimed at th· e Gan·der scheme, but r·epresent the pre­ liminary application of the G·overn­ ment's gen·eral r.olicy for preventing the furtb .·er exploitatio · n of Newfound­ land's timber resources by speculator . s f.or their pr·ofit, at the expense of _the Colony. Even assurning that the Gov­ ernment by legal suit forfeits all the Reid Crown timber lands, such lan·ds can imm·ediately be restored und·er the terms o.f any Gan·der contract.

If the bankers are not pr·ep.ared to accept the Governm ·ent's worj in this r·espect, it would be rather remarkable if th·ey were willing 'to accept any un­ derfakin g of th· e Government in the contract respecting a guarant .ee, be­ f.ore the passing of the necessary .le- gislatio ·n. • (8) l'he Government cannot c·oncur in the opinion express ·ed in your let­ ter, that it should n·ow in·dicate wheth­ er or not it will grant the eoncession · s s·ought, and giv· e an a.ssurance that le­ gislation embodying the-se will be in­ troduced at the coming S·ession.

The Government, as alr·eady "Stated In paragraph (1) hereof, do·es not re­ gard documents subniitied as contain­ Ing a d·efinite pr·oposition; th· e Govern­ ment obviously cann,ot gfy.e you the a·s·surance you require i'n respect to any proposition until such a propos ·al is definitely before it, eouched in de­ finite term · s as to all phases of the un- • • dertaking, and embodying definite protectio . n for the Government, 'vhich is asked to assume large financial re .. spon.sibilities.

(9) In your letter ~~ou ask that tl~e G·overnrnent indicate to y·ou any modi · · fications which it deem · s ·essential to secure its suppo .rt for y.our scheme. l\1"odifications of this ch·aracter h:tve been suggested to ~70U and your as­ sociates on va.riou . s occa·sion·s, and in­ variably the reply received has b·een of such a character as to indicate that yott would n·ot be nreparetl to consider any of the modifications which have been suggested, and, in fact, the im­ v·ossibility of consid ·ering the suggest ... ed modifications was the re·ason as­ 'Sign·ed by ~ou for your refusal to in­ vite your associates here fro . m New York t· o confer with the Government when the latter re~uested you to do so.

(10) The Government ga·th·ers fro . m the last paragraph of your letter th·at your views have changed ~rith re­ sp·ect to the modifications W'"hich the Sub-Commlttee indicated to ~J:r. Pow·ell last fall, and which were again submitted to your Messrs. Powell and Conroy at a conference between you and the Government some few we·eks ago. Th· e Gove·rnment will be plea·sed to go further into these m·atters with you im.me.diately if you so d·esire. ........ {11) The Covernment desire~ to as- sure the Reid Nfld.

Company that it is ready at any time to giv· e prompt, careful and sympatheti · c consideration to a·ny definite and r·easonable pro- • position, which has for its olbject the establishment of an industry in the Gander Valley, provided such pr,o­ position embodi ·es due bafeguards for the lnter ·e.st of the r·eople O · f New­ foundland, who are asked to make large financial and ·other contributions to, and to become partners in, the en­ terprise.

34 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS I have the honor to be, Sir, Your obedient servant, (sgd.) A. Barnes, Colonial Secretary. R. G. Reid, Esq., Vice-President, Reid Ne,vfoundlan · d Company. REPLY OF R.EID NFLD., CO., LTD. St. John's, Newfoundlan ·d, May 28, 1930. The Horourable The Colonial Secretary. ' Sir,-I have the honour to acknow- ledge the reeeipt of your letter of the 27th instant in reply to mine of the 21st. I note in paragraph 10 of your ·letter that the Government will be pleased to go further into its proposed modi­ fications in th· e Gander ·~cheme with us immediately.

In r·eply I beg to say that w· e shall b· e very pleased to meet the Governm ·ent an· d go into - these matters at the earliest possible moment, an· d will b· e ready to attend at any time when summoned. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your ob·edlent servant, ,Sgd.) R. G. REID, Vice-President. ·operati-on ~ o·f Stea· m Trawlers in the Codfi,shery. (

b) If ~any Agr~ e-em~ e. nt has b~ een sign·ed with the said Co·mpany, to lay on the tab.J. e ·of th· e House. a c·opy of same. (

c) If it is the intenti-on ·of the G·ov­ ernnleont to repeal

Chapter 155 of the COlllSOlidat,ed s~tatute: s (3rd Seri~ es) 1916 entitl~ed "Of Fore.ign Fis·hing V·es­ s:el s. '' I!ON. COLONIAL SECRETARY­ Mr. Spe,ak·er., I '\Vis'h a;ls,o, Sir, t, o table a r~ eply to Mr. Ab1bott's queostion No. 3 on th· e Order Paper. (a) (

i) A re·port of all eonver.sa­ rti~ on~s wirth th· e Atlantic Fi.sheries C·om~~1any ·o~r th·eir retpresentatives. · In reply I may £ay th· er~ e is no re­ port eith ·er stenogra;phi · c ·Or .otherwise. Co·pi-es of .eorresponden.ce novv occupy the atte ,ntion of th· e Gov; ernm~ent ·and cons8qu.ently eannot be table ·d. (

b) Ther·e ha.s been no agreem ·ent si-gn,ed. (

c) I may say th.at th'e Go~vernment is n·ot even eonsidering 5't. ( 4) MR. BYRNE--To ask Hon. the C·olonial Secretary t() lay ·on the ta~ble liON. COLONIAL SECRETARY- of th· e H·ous· e a copy of all rep·orts in- Mr. Spe:ak€r, I may ·ad'd that the-re ·are oth·er corre 1spondence and eertain d·o,cum· e·nt· s in . eonnectio~ n with tl1is Gani d·er Valley schem · e: but I a· m unable to ta1ble same as th~e Mess1rs. R,eiods re­ fus.e to give th·e ·government their sanction to d· o . S ·O. (3) lV£R. ABBOTT-T · o ask Hon. the Colonial Secr~etary to lay ·on th· e tatble of th·e HQu~s· e: (a) (

i) A re!' ·ort of all C ·Onv·ers·a­ sati·ons with the Atliantic Fi.s.heri~s C· ompa11y · O · r .th·e'ir representatives. (ii) C· opi~e. s of all corre ·spon· d'e·nce with the said Co·mpany ·Or th·eir re­ presentatives r:egarding an Agre·e­ ment 'vith the said c .ompany for the teri-m or otherwis . e ·SO far m- a· d'e ·by the un·ernplo)'inl ·ent C·ommiss.io ·n, and a state ·ment · s·h·o·wing what ·expen ·ditur.es h:ave be·en made in con·nection there­ w;ith.

(5) MR. BYRNE-To rusk Hon. th.-e . C·olonial Secretary to lay on the table o, f the Hou~s~e al' l r·e·PO·rts, interim or . otherwise, submitted by the Board ot Health s-in·ce their app·ointment last year. HON. COLONIAL SECRETAR .Y­ Mr. Speaker, I beg to state that replies · to questions No. 4 and 5 asked fo·r by I th·e !-Ion. memb ·er for St. John's E ast (city) 'viii be available · fur to-m: o,r­ ro,v's sitting.

HOUSE OF .&.t\SSEl\tiBLY PROCEE .DINCS (6) lVfR. BYRNE-To ask I- I·on. the C·olon'ial Secret ary whetll ·er any Fi·sh­ €ries Co· m. m,ission has b~e· e.n app·oint·ed b y t he govern ,n1en t , and if s·o, who are the me,mber~s ·and officers ther eof, the n u mber ·Of Sittings Of the C·Ommission h·eld, and a C · O ·PY · o· f an· Y rep·ort or re­ ports int·e,rim or o therwise vvhich th· e said Comm .ission l1as madre an· d a st atement sh· O ·win· g all expendi tures in conn e·cti·on therewith. HON. T·HE COLONIAL . SECRE­ TARYCI~Mr. Speaker, in reply to question No. · 6 on today's Order Paper, aslred by Mr.

Byrne, I beg to reply as follows: On l\'I,ay 23rd, 1930, the follo ·wing person . s W€re appo.inted by th· e Gov­ ern.or in C· o·un·cil a· S a Commissi ·on in r·el.ation to the matter ·of salt co·dfish, na:m·ely: Hon. Sir William F. Coaker, (Chairman); II. B. C. Lake, Esq., M'in­ i·ster of l\!arin · e an·d Fish ·eries '; Hon. W. W. IIalfyard, Q-.eorg-e M. Barr, E~s q., Michael J. P·ower, Esq., Captain John Parsons, M·.H.A., Ge·o. C. Whiteley, Esq., Geo. Penney, Esq., Arthur 1\fon­ roe, Esq., J er·emiah P~etite, Esq., Arthur E. Lloyd, Es.q., Se·certary.

(7) MR. BYRNE-To ~slr H·on. the Colo·niJal Secretary wh·ether a Tariff Com·m'i· s·sion has be·en appoint ·ed, .and if ~ so, "rho are th· e me·mb!er. s : a.nd ·offieers thereof, the numlber ·of sittings of the C·pm·miss.ioo· n held an· d a ·eopy o! a,ny report ·Or rer p·Orts interi-m or oth.erwis · e which the said C<>m·mi,ssion has mad€, an· d a ~state,m· ent sho·wing all exp·endi­ tur~ e. s in conn ·ection therewith. liON. THE 'COLONIAL \SECRE· . . T.t\RY. - Mr.

Speaker, in reply to question No. 7 on today's .Order Paper, I desire to reply as follows: On Augu,st 17, 1929, the foll · o·wing . p.er s·ons were appointed by th· e ·aov- ernor in Council as a Tariff Commi ·S­ si<>n, name.ly: H-orn. P. J. Ca·s·hin, (Chairman); H. vV. Le.Messurie ·r, Esq., Viee-Chairman; Hon. H. M. Mosdcll, S·e.cretary; Mr. Stanley Elli ·ott. There have · n·ot · b·een any s-ittings of th· e Co1nmiss-ioon to date.

(8) MR. BYRNE-To rusk Hon. the Colonial Secr·etary 'vh.ether any a ) ­ p·ointme-nts have b·een mrade un·der The Public Utilities Co·mmissi ·on Act 1929, and if •SO :- (

a) T· o give the na·mes of the parties appointed th·eT·eund·er. (

b) W·h·ether a11y payme~nts have be-en m. a·de in connection 'vith th· e sai-d Act, and if so to tabl€ S • a.me . . HON. THE COLONIAL SEC'RE· TARY.-Mr. Speaker, in reply to question No. 8, I have to state as follows: No appointm ·en.ts have be·en made by th· e Gov.ernor 'in Council under the provi ls.io1Il'S of "Th· e Public Utilities co. m.mi.ssi·Oll Act, 1929," and ll· O p;ty­ m·ents hav·e boon made in co·nn~ e~ction with ·such a Com·mi· S ·sion.

(9) MR. BYRNE .-T· o as· k Hon. the Mini·ster of Justice whether an. y Com­ ·m.ission has lbe·en appo ,inte· d with a view to the cons ·oli.datio · n of th· e \ S·tatute.s . , and if 'so to lay ·On the talble of th· e H·ouse a stateme ·nt ·sho,wing the names of th·OS·e appo ·inted, the date of their r· e· s,pe·ctive- appo-intm .ents an· d the am~ounts pai-d t·o ea·ch of th· e said Com­ m.issio ·ners S ·ince th·eir appointm · e·nts. iiON. THE PRIME ' ]fiNISTER.­ Mr. ·Speaker, in reply to question No. 9, asked lby the Hon. - member for St. J ohn.'s East, I may say that: A C·ommi·ssio·n for the Con·sol'idation of th· e Statute 's ha· s b·eeiil· app·oint ed, c·ons.i·sting of the M:iniste · r ·