Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 17 March 2005 (45th General Assembly, 2nd Session, Vol. XLV No. 3)

2005-03-17

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 17 March 2005 (45th General Assembly, 2nd Session, Vol. XLV No. 3)

2005-03-17

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

March 17, 2005 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV

No. 3

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: This afternoon we have members' statements as follows: the

hon. the Member for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair, the hon. the

Member for the District of Mount Pearl, the hon. the Member for the District of

Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune, the hon. the Member for St. John's West, the hon.

the Member for Labrador West, and the hon. the Member for Bonavista North.

The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to acknowledge the accomplishments of my fellow Labradorian, Zoe

Webb. Ms Webb, who is a good friend of mine, Mr. Speaker, has a biography that

reads like a best-selling adventure novel. Ms Webb is the embodiment of the

spirit of modern Labrador. Growing up in the village of Webb Bay, she was taught

with her siblings to hunt, trap and live off the land, by their father, while

their formal education was home schooling that was taught by their mother.

Webb Bay had no electricity. The only means of entertainment, besides

reading, was exploring the Labrador wilderness, creating art and storytelling.

The rugged lifestyle fostered a spirit of adventure in Ms Webb that led her to

soar higher than most people can imagine. After graduating high school in Nain,

Zoe left to attend Memorial University. During this time, her mind often

returned to Labrador and a helicopter ride that she had taken years before.

One day, while walking to class, a helicopter flew overhead and at that

moment she knew that she needed to change careers. After completing Visual

Flight Rules pilot training, Zoe was hired by Canadian Helicopter Corporation in

Goose Bay to fly in Labrador and Northern Quebec. As a pilot, she has been

involved in medivacs, firefighting, mining exploration and military operations.

After eight years with Canadian Helicopter Corporation, Zoe decided to move

to a new challenge and began training to fly using Instrument Flight Rules.

Currently, she is employed by Cougar Helicopters, flying to offshore oil rigs.

It is believed, Mr. Speaker, that she is the only woman in Canada flying

offshore, and one of only a handful of women in the world who actually fly

offshore.

Mr. Speaker, Zoe is indicative of the high-flying spirit of many Labradorians

and I ask my colleagues to join me in congratulating her on her success in the

aviation industry and breaking new ground for women in our Province and across

the country.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Mount Pearl.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DENINE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I stand here today to bring congratulations to the Mount Pearl Frosty

Festival Committee and the City of Mount Pearl.

From February 10-20, Mount Pearl held its twenty-third annual Frosty

Festival. Mr. Speaker, this festival continues to grow more and more each year.

Our opening gala was held at the Glacier with special guest appearance of Jason

Greeley, who everyone knows in Newfoundland and Labrador.

This is the first year that so many events were sold out prior to the start

date of the festival. There were variety shows, dinner theatres, various sports

events and tournaments, battle of bands competitions, seniors and kids parties,

old fashioned jiggs dinner, and karaoke nights. Mr. Speaker, these were just a

few of the events that were held during the festival. Participation from the

community for this festival was phenomenal, and I can definitely say that the

community spirit is alive and well in our city.

Also, Mr. Speaker, the success of the festival can be attributed to this

being a special year for Mount Pearl as they are celebrating their fiftieth

anniversary. It has been fifty years for Mount Pearl being incorporated as a

municipality. The City of Mount Pearl has combined their anniversary

celebrations into the Frosty Festival, making it bigger and better.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, an event such as this involved a lot of hard work,

and I take this opportunity to thank the committee members, the event

organizers, sponsors, and hundreds of volunteers who gave so freely of their

time to enhance our city. I ask all members to please join with me in

congratulating them on their hard work.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Fortune Bay-Cape la

Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to acknowledge the tremendous contributions of Ms

Vera Mullins to her community. Ms Mullins was recently named Harbour Breton's

Citizen of the Year.

Ms Vera Mullins is very well known for her volunteer efforts. She has

dedicated an incredible amount of time to many volunteer organizations,

including St. Bartholomew's Church, Harbour Breton Lioness Club and the

Harbour Breton Cadet Corps, just to name a few.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to her time contributed to groups and organizations,

Ms Mullins has contributed in other ways. Recently, Ms Mullins was featured in a

news article, praising her volunteer efforts for donating her hair for the

manufacturing of wigs for children who use chemotherapy treatments. Thus far, Ms

Mullins has given nearly three feet of her hair to the cause.

Mr. Speaker, upon accepting the award for Citizen of the Year, Ms Mullins

stated she loves being a volunteer in the community and that she never thought

of an award when she started volunteering in community activities.

Ms Mullins is an asset to her community and her dedication to make Harbour

Breton a better place to live for everyone, from children to seniors, is indeed

rewarding for all residents.

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all members of this House join me in congratulating

Ms Mullins for her outstanding volunteer efforts and her strength for

continuously helping others.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. John's West.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS S. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am delighted today to congratulate Beaconsfield Junior High School on being

officially designated as a member of Peaceful Schools International. This took

place in a ceremony at the school on Monday past and Beaconsfield Junior High

will now have the proud honour of flying that organization's flag on the

school grounds.

Peaceful Schools International was started in Nova Scotia in 2001 by an

educator, Hetty Van Gurp, whose son was killed in a bullying incident in school.

To become a designated member of this organization, schools must demonstrate a

strong commitment to a peaceful school environment.

Mr. Speaker, the staff and students of Beaconsfield Junior High have worked

very hard over the past three years to achieve this designation. Among other

things, the school has implemented a bullying intervention program and a

classroom buddy system. It has also held workshops on such topics as drug

awareness and suicide intervention. Students themselves have taken active roles

in food drives, recycling programs, peer tutoring, and a host of community

service programs and fundraisers. In fact, Mr. Speaker, the students and staff

became so involved that they actually surpassed the qualifications required for

this designation.

Everyone involved in this endeavour should be very proud and I ask all hon.

members to join me in congratulating Beaconsfield Junior High School on this

wonderful achievement.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to congratulate Joey Russell, a sixteen-year-old figure skater

from Labrador West who has, and continues, to excel in the figure skating world.

I am pleased today to inform Members of the House of Assembly of Joey's

most recent success, winning a gold medal for Canada in the junior men's

division of Mladost Trophy Figure Skating event held in Zagreb, Croatia on March

10-12.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: Joey won both the short and free skates event to claim the

gold medal. This was his first international event outside North America.

Joey's past successes, Mr. Speaker, include seven regional titles, six

provincial championships, a silver medal from Skate Canada Eastern Challenge, a

bronze medalist at the 2003 Canada Winter Games, a bronze medal in the 2005 BMO

Financial Group Skate Canada Eastern Challenge in the junior men's division,

and a two-time silver medalist in the Canadian Junior Nationals.

He also competed internationally with Team Canada at the North American Skate

Challenge in 2003 and 2004 and Lake Placid, New York and San Jose, California

where he won a bronze medal.

Joey is a member of the Polaris Figure Skating Club in Labrador West and is

currently training under Jan Ullmark at Edmonton's Royal Glenora Club. There

is no doubt in my mind, Mr. Speaker, the name Joey Russell will soon be a

household name in this country.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members to join me in congratulating this outstanding

young figure skater and wish him success on his accomplishments to date and wish

him well in his future endeavours.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bonavista North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HARDING: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to offer congratulations to the New-Wes-Valley Corps of the

Salvation Army. The New-Wes-Valley Corps includes the combined corps of

Greenspond, Wesleyville and Deadman's Bay.

On March 5, the corps officially opened the doors to their new citadel in the

New-Wes-Valley area. I had the honour of attending this special event and was

very impressed by their new $800,000 facility. It is, indeed, a far cry from the

second floor of the waterfront store where their first meeting was held over 110

years ago. The event was a tremendous success and it was made possible through

the leadership of the corps officers and the hard work and dedication on the

part of the corps membership. This new facility will enable the corps to

continue to deliver the spiritual and social programs that have helped sustain

and strengthen our region throughout the past century.

I call on all hon. members of the this House in offering congratulations to

Captains Paul and Kelly Rideout and the New-Wes-Valley Salvation Army Corps in

recognition of this milestone in their history.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services; and

the Minister Responsible for Francophone Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to inform my hon. colleagues about Les Rendez-vous de la

Francophonie. From March 4 to March 20, Les Rendez-vous de la Francophonie is a

time for Canadians to recognize and celebrate our nation's French language and

communities closer and to foster mutual respect between them.

Mr. Speaker, here in our Province there are many activities taking place to

mark the occasion, and today, government welcomes representatives from the

Province's francophone organizations who have set-up an information display in

the main lobby of our Confederation Building. The purpose is for all of us to

learn more about and develop greater appreciation for our Province's rich

francophone culture.

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Terre-Neuve-et-Labrador. [Our Province has a long and rich French and Acadian

history, a history that continues to write itself in the 21 st

century. We recognize those individuals who work in our francophone

organizations and volunteer in our francophone communities to ensure that the

French language continues to grow and prosper in our Newfoundland and Labrador.]

Mr. Speaker, I ask and encourage all hon. colleagues to take the opportunity

to visit the display and to meet representatives from our francophone community.

These individuals have given generously of their time so that government many

learn about the work they perform every day to promote and protect francophone

interests in our Province.

Mr. Speaker, today I also want to acknowledge the work of the Office of

French Services for organizing this event. This office is focused on building

the provincial government's capacity to deliver quality services in French and

to contribute to the development and vitality of the Province's francophone

community. Through its various activities, including French language training,

translation and linguistic support, government-community liaison and

intergovernmental co-operation on Francophone Affairs, the staff at the office

ensure that we, as a government, and as a public service do our best to consider

the needs of all French-speaking Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, to all those participating in Les Rendez-vous de la

Francophonie, enjoy the event.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear1

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to thank the minister for an advanced copy of his statement

today.

Mr. Speaker, we on this side of the House would also like to thank and

acknowledge the francophone community and the Province of Newfoundland and

Labrador for the excellent work they have done over the years in preserving the

rich culture of our francophone society.

Mr. Speaker, earlier today I had an opportunity to visit the display booths

in the lobby and to talk to people from the francophone society that was

representing the youth, representing community services and programs, and

representing education.

Mr. Speaker, it is sad that we have seen so many cuts to teacher units in

this Province that we are running the risk of having French programs and French

Immersion programs in schools, especially like those in Labrador West, being

eroded from the system. Mr. Speaker, two regions of our Province border on the

Province of Quebec, the Labrador Straits and the Labrador West region. It is

important that children in those areas of our Province have the opportunity to

seek French language classes and French Immersion classes.

Mr. Speaker, the people of Labrador West, along with their MHA, have fought

really hard over the last number of months to have a commitment to keep those

programs in the school in Labrador West. I think, Minister, during Francophone

week it would be timely for government to step up to the plate and to make that

commitment to people in Labrador, to the children there, to ensure that they

have access to French programs in their schools and that they are educated in

the way that they should be, I say to the minister.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to commend the minister on his French capabilities.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: However, I would like to say to the minister, how much

better it could be if he had had early French Immersion when he was going to

school.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker, there is no question about the influence that

the French culture and language has had in our Province. Last year we celebrated

the 400 th Anniversary of French culture within our Province, a very

important milestone. The French language, Mr. Speaker, in my area of Labrador

West is extremely important and there is a lot of interaction.

I find, Mr. Speaker, that I am sort of confounded, because here, on one hand,

we have the minister today acknowledging how much of a good influence our French

culture is in this Province -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time has expired.

MR. COLLINS: By leave?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. COLLINS: - that provides to our Province the riches, and yet on this

hand, Mr. Speaker, we have the future of French Immersion hanging in the

balance. What a contradiction!

I want to say to the minister, and the Minister of Education, and this

government, that during this Budget review, instead of looking at cutting French

Immersion programs in Labrador, and Labrador West in particular, where 50 per

cent of students are enrolled at Kindergarten, they should be expanding that.

However, Mr. Speaker, I will acknowledge the statement by the minister that

reflects upon the importance of the Francophone Associations within our

Province, and the tremendous amount of work that they do. When we have two

societies interacting together with different cultural backgrounds, it certainly

adds to the richness of our Province.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, in referencing the future of Abitibi's operations

in Newfoundland and Labrador, the Minister of Natural Resources said in his

Ministerial Statement in this Legislature, and I quote, "... this

government agreed to a request from the company to provide a contribution of $1

million, which offset the power rate increase for a period of 60 days...".

That was his quote right here in the Legislature. Outside the House of Assembly,

Mr. Speaker, the same minister contradicted this statement and told the media

that this money has not actually been given to the company at all.

Would the minister like to clarify for us in the Legislature the

discrepancies between what he said inside the House and what he said outside the

House?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it being St. Patrick's Day, I am reminded of the words of a

famous Irish poet by the name of George Bernard Shaw, who, responding to a long

time critic of his, said this: It has never been characteristic of his critic -

and this is what he said, Mr. Speaker, not what I say, of his critic - to let

the facts and the truth of a matter interrupt with a good story that he is about

to tell.

Mr. Speaker, let me say this: What I said yesterday in this House was an

absolute fact, that there was an agreement and an arrangement reached. Now, the

fact of the matter that we reached an arrangement does not mean that the money

has already been expired or the money has already been spent. The fact of the

matter is, there are obligations under the arrangement with respect to Abitibi

that they have to meet. Now, if they do not meet those arrangements, which

includes the closure of Stephenville at the end of March, then they do not get

the money. Even though, if they do not get the money, what we wanted from it,

which is the intellectual property, engineering financial studies and other,

and, I might add, the consideration for discussion and negotiation on water

rights -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the minister now to complete his answer quickly.

MR. E. BYRNE: I will.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

- discussion and negotiation on water rights, we end up getting anyway.

If that helps clarify the situation for the Leader of the Opposition, then so

be it. I look forward to more questions, Mr. Speaker, on the future of the pulp

and paper industry, and potentially the constructive role that he and some of

his other members might like to play.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

There is another saying, too, that you should always keep your words sweet

because you might have to eat them some time. I would suggest that the minister

is starting to eat some of his words.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, as well, the Minister of Natural Resources confirmed

that Abitibi-Consolidated told him three months ago, in December, that they

intended to close the mill in Stephenville permanently. This government's only

response so far has been to fall back on Bill 27, an initiative of members on

this side of the House - nothing new from the government, no permanent solutions

at all.

Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, he also confirmed that the company will not be given

any priority access to wood in Labrador, and the company will not be given

access to wood from Central Newfoundland, and, Mr. Speaker, that sixteen months

after the election there is no plan to deal with energy costs in Stephenville.

I ask the minister, Mr. Speaker: Where is the long-term solution promised to

the people of Stephenville nearly two years ago, that they were going to act on

immediately upon being elected?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, let's not confuse any of the questions or notions being put

forward by the Leader of the Opposition. Because he suggests that there has been

nothing done does not mean that nothing has been done.

Let me say honestly, Mr. Speaker, to the people of the Province, in

particular to the people of Stephenville, on this very important matter, that

discussions and negotiations are ongoing. I am sure the Leader of the Opposition

would understand why he is not my lead consultant on this file.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is clear that they have great difficulty answering direct questions

because they do not have any answers, just like yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, again, a final question, the minister stated yesterday as well

that he intends to follow the remedies set out in Bill 27 and pull Abitibi's

timber rights if they do not maintain a two-paper-mill machine operation in

Grand Falls-Windsor. He said it quite emphatically I ask the minister: Will he

confirm, in this Legislature, that he will use the legislation that applies to

Abitibi and to ensure - as he said yesterday - that they will lose access to

wood supply and fibre if they downgrade production in the Grand Falls-Windsor

mill? And, has he personally advised the Abitibi representatives of that, or has

he just said it through the media like he did yesterday?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am having difficulty, like most people in the Province, to be

honest with you, finding out where the Opposition is on any issue.

Yesterday, the critic condemned me. This morning, his colleague, the Member

for Windsor-Buchans, applauded me. This morning, the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape

la Hune applauded me and this government through me.

The fact of the matter is, yesterday, in a Ministerial Statement in this

House to the people of the Province, we affirmed and confirmed to the people of

Central Newfoundland and Labrador this very thing, that the laws of this

Province that we are sworn to uphold we will uphold them. That is the bottom

line now. Abitibi got the message and so they should have, and so did everyone

else in the Province, Mr. Speaker. We are not ashamed of standing up for the

laws of this Province, for the people if this Province, and holding companies,

corporations, or individuals to the commitments that they made to the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

Yesterday in the House, and today on Open Line, and again in this

Legislature, the Minister of Natural Resources has made it emphatically clear

that he would use legislation passed by the Liberal Government to protect

workers at the Grand Falls mill. Access to timber resources are tied to

production levels in the Grand Falls mill. Mr. Speaker, I applaud the minister.

I told him so this morning and I do it here now, so the people across the

Province can see it. I really do.

Just as there is a piece of legislation that covers Abitibi, there is also a

piece of legislation that covers FPI. That company is leaving Harbour Breton and

taking its community historical resources with it.

Won't the minister stand up to FPI the way that this minister is standing

up to Abitibi and have the resources remain in Harbour Breton?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am sure that the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune - I don't know about

his colleagues - but I am sure that the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune and

most people will recognize that trees on land in the Province of Newfoundland

and Labrador fall solidly under the jurisdiction of the Province of Newfoundland

and Labrador and the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador. Fish in the water

off the Coast of Newfoundland and Labrador falls solidly under the jurisdiction

Mr. Speaker.

Having said that, Mr. Speaker, we have indicated to the people of Harbour

Breton that we will support them along the way in trying to find a solution for

the people of Harbour Breton and the people of the Connaigre Peninsula. We

worked with them over the past number of months on that. We have committed a

fair amount of money to helping them find a resolution both in the short term

and the long term. We will remain committed to that and we will continue working

with the people in that area to find a solution.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la

Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the minister, that the FPI Act is not offshore it is right here in

this Legislature.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LANGDON: Minister, you have ordered production quotas for crab in the

Province, you have directed where crab production is to take place, and you have

directed how much is to be produced at any one plant. When you were asked to do

that for the Town of Harbour Breton, you said that you do not support a portion

of FPI's quota to be left in a community. Minister, why the double standard?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

First of all, to correct one of the member's statements. We did not say

that we did not support the people of Harbour Breton. We did not say we would

not support the request for quotas. We did not say we would not support

one-third of the quota. We said that we were prepared to work with the people to

find a viable solution for Harbour Breton and the Connaigre Peninsula, and that

we would - and we have informed them of this and the member knows of this - be

prepared to give them up to $250,000 to develop a business plan that identifies

a long-term solution for the people of Harbour Breton, and if that included some

quotas or allocations being tied to Harbour Breton, then, Mr. Speaker, we would

support that. We have said that publicly, we have said that privately, we have

said that in this House and we have said it outside this House.

Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, on the issue of the FPI Act; the FPI Act governs

Protection Act and the Fisheries Act, have total authority under the

constitution of this country, have total authority over the harvesting sector of

the fishery in this country.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I did not hear the minister say it, but it was reported to me. I

have not played politics with him and I think you will agree with that because

it is too important for the people of Harbour Breton and the whole Connaigre

region; it is an area that needs recognition.

The minister was supposed to have said: If the people of Harbour Breton think

that they are going to get a portion of FPI's quota, they have blinkers on. I

did not hear the minister say it myself, but it was reported to me.

Minister, you say that production quotas for crab producers will stabilize

the industry and protect rural areas of our Province. If you really believe

this, you will also have an opportunity to do the same for Harbour Breton and

the entire Connaigre Peninsula by standing up to FPI and demanding that the

historical quota stay with the town. Will you commit to doing that?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, if the member is going to stand in the House and repeat rumours,

then he should, at the very least, tell us who said it because it certainly did

not come out of my mouth.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, what we have said time and time again in this

House, outside of this House, in the public media and inside closed doors, in

the Premier's boardroom, and wherever, with the people of Harbour Breton, the

IAS committee and all of the people involved, is that we would support the

people of Harbour Breton, and if that required support on quota allocations,

quota retention and what have you, then we would do that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: We told them that we are prepared to give them $250,000 in

order to identify a long-term plan for that region, Mr. Speaker, that takes into

consideration the wild fishery, quota allocations, the aquaculture industry and

the whole gamut in that area. That is what we have committed to because we are

looking for a long-term solution not a short-term political fix.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, I will just ask this question of members

opposite: Where do they stand on community quotas and plant production -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yesterday afternoon, at 12:19 p.m., I spoke with an official of Occupational

Health and Safety who advised me that he had just returned from the office on

Water Street, met with the staff there and said everything was fine, there was

no concern for personal safety. Today, that office has been evacuated because of

dangerous conditions which the department has known about for some time.

I ask the minister: Why did it take her so long to act on this issue, and

what contingency plans have been put in place to deal with the chaos which will

be caused because of her tardiness in dealing with this situation?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, we are aware of the issues with the downtown

office and it has been reported in the news. The building next door is in the

process of being demolished. We are also following the situation. Today, we

removed the workers from the building under the orders of Occupational Health

and Safety. The main phone lines still remain open. The workers are available if

we need them. We will be issuing the pay centre from the West Coast until the

situation has been dealt with. The clients still have access to services. The

phone lines are located in Regatta Plaza. Other than that, we will continue to

monitor the situation. Our priorities are the health and safety of our workers

and the fact that the clients' needs are being met.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, I say the priority came into effect after I

called Occupational Health and Safety.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BUTLER: There was no -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the hon. Member for Port de Grave District.

MR. BUTLER: There was no concern, Mr. Speaker, for personal safety

yesterday up until 12:19, and today the office is evacuated.

Can the minister confirm that the serious backlogs that already existed,

coupled with the latest situation which will mean serious delays for some of the

most vulnerable people in society, and what plans have been implemented to take

care of the situation?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resource, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, in case the member across the way did not hear the

first answer I gave, we are going to work with the situation. We do have our

lines open. Clients do have access to leave messages. Everything will be dealt

with. Our workers are on notice in case we need them. The pay centre on the West

Coast will pick up right now if we cannot process from our downtown office.

Mr. Speaker, I want to reiterate, the importance of this situation is the

health and safety of our employees and equally as important to that, is that the

clients who need service from that office will continue to receive the services.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Education and it raises concerns that

people in Labrador, in general, have over the cancellation of the Early French

Immersion program in our schools.

Mr. Speaker, residents of Labrador, and Labrador West in particular, and

other organizations in our Province for some time now, in excess of a year, have

been after the Labrador School Board and the Department of Education through the

ministers, to make a decision that French Immersion will continue to be offered.

We have had twenty years of Early French Immersion in Labrador West. Currently,

12 per cent of all students under the Labrador School Board are in French

Immersion programs; 50 per cent of all Kindergarten intakes are enrolled into

French Immersion for the past number of years.

I ask the minister, will he commit today to the people in Labrador, and

Labrador West in particular, to protect the integrity of the Early French

Immersion program?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Mr. Speaker, I thank the member opposite for his question.

I certainly agree with him with regard to the value of the French Immersion

programs throughout this Province, as well in Labrador West. Again, I would

indicate to the member opposite that certainly from the department's

standpoint, we have been working closely with the board in an attempt to resolve

this situation. We continue to work with the board to resolve this situation and

I would hope in the very near future that that situation will be resolved.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to say to the minister, and ask the minister, Mr. Speaker, given the

fact that jobs in the local economy in Labrador West, because of the close

proximity to the Quebec border, because there are three large mining companies

in the area, and at times suppliers to these companies have to speak in the

French language as well, given that consideration, that mostly all jobs that are

posted require people to be bilingual, given the fact that we have graduates

from our French Immersion program in Labrador West who are now professors at

major universities across this Province, and given the concern that in the local

papers today in Labrador West there are advertisements from other school boards

across this country soliciting French Immersion program instructors, teachers,

because the word is out that the French Immersion program may not be there, will

the minister address this immediately to allay the concerns of the parents and

the students in Labrador West? Again, I ask the minister to commit, to stand in

his place today and commit to the people of Labrador West, that this program

will indeed be continued.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Again, I say to the member opposite that I certainly will commit to work with

the board to resolve this situation. Again, a reminder that the French Immersion

program within Newfoundland and Labrador is an optional program, it is the board

decision whether or not to continue with the program. That is why I say I will

work closely with the board to make sure that we do everything possible to make

sure that program continues.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, the recent Hay Group report that was done for the

Northern Peninsula and Southern Labrador focused on saving money and not saving

health care services in that region. Mr. Speaker, medical staff in the St.

Anthony area - we have been made aware - are now tendering resignations. People

are fearing the worst. Community leaders will, this evening, start a rally in

this area to try and protect medical services.

I want to ask the minister today: Will he commit that obstetric services,

psychiatry, radiology, gynecology and pediatric services will not be eroded from

the hospital at St. Anthony, regardless of the Hay Group recommendations that

are now in his department?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The hon. member opposite knows full well that the report that was released

several weeks ago, released publicly for everybody in the Province to see, was a

series of recommendations; in fact, Mr. Speaker, some 270 recommendations.

What government is now asking is for a variety of stakeholders in health,

whether it be our medical profession, our nurses, our employees within the

system, our municipalities, our advocates in health care, to assess and to

consult publicly with our new CEOs, with our new health authorities, which will

be coming into effect just in a matter of days.

It is a consultation process, I say to the hon. member. There are no

decisions made. There are no prejudgements. There are no biases. There are no

preconceived notions. There are no decisions. These are simply recommendations,

and we now ask publicly for a variety of individuals, for a variety of bodies,

for a variety of (inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Still no commitments, though, Mr. Speaker.

In January, I visited the Captain William Jackman Memorial Hospital in

Labrador West and I was shocked to find the deplorable condition of the

hospital, especially in the emergency department, with the ceilings falling,

with the plaster peeling off the walls, and very little privacy there.

Mr. Speaker, I know that the minister himself is also now aware of the

condition that exists there. I know that last week he announced $200,000 to do a

study on whether there should be a new facility. Well, Mr. Speaker, even if

there is a new facility, it is years down the road if that is the way government

wants to go.

I say to the minister today: Will you commit to invest, from your new-found

wealth on the other side, some money into bringing the hospital in Labrador West

up to a standard that is required to provide adequate services?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, had the opportunity and the privilege to visit the very facility that

the hon. member is referencing. We have had support, I might add, recently from

the mayor of both communities in Labrador West, the Mayor or Wabush and Labrador

City, with respect to the approach and the announcement that was made during our

recent visit in Labrador.

I say to the hon. member that strategic decisions will be made by our new

health care authorities, by our new CEOs, and these decisions, in time, will be

made that will address what is indeed in the best interests of Newfoundlanders

and Labradorians with respect to any issue that they are confronted with.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is my understanding that, although the mayors welcome the $200,000 study

to look at a new hospital, they would certainly welcome some money to do the

repairs that need to be done there right now, I say to the minister.

Mr. Speaker, another troubling recommendation in the report was to remove

doctors from the Forteau health centre, to have the 3,000 residents in the

Labrador Straits use the Blanc-Sablon hospital in Quebec as a referral service

for health care in that region.

Mr. Speaker, the minister already said, quite clearly, that he would not

accept the recommendation by the Hay Group to close clinics in Southern

Labrador. I ask him today to stand and tell me he will also not accept the

recommendation to remove physicians from the Forteau health centre, that he will

not accept the recommendations to have 3,000 Labradorians use a hospital in

(inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I can only repeat, I guess, my response to her first question. Again, this is

a document with a series of recommendations. These are not decisions. The public

at large, and interested individuals, they will consult, they will engage. They

will apprise the new health care authorities and the new CEOs of their position

and, in due course, a proposed implementation plan within the next three or four

months will be presented to government. At that time, and in due course, I say

to the hon. member, and indeed all hon. members, that government, having

consulted with and having received the information gleaned over the next few

months, will make the appropriate decisions, again in the best health care

interests of all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are also for the Minister of Health.

What rubbish! He talks about a report, and he waits for consultation and

input from the general public. He has already looked at the Hay report and made

his decisions about clinic closures. What a farce this is! We know what they do

with reports. The Minister of Fisheries yesterday said, when you get reports

over here they act on them. They do not let dust grow on them. They intend to

implement the Hay report.

I say to the minister: When will you end this tardiness and pointing this

issue out to the public endlessly, end the uncertainty and commit that you will

not implement the Hay committee report recommendations?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member opposite is very familiar

with the process. He is a member of a party that, a number of years ago, engaged

the same advisors with respect to a report that ultimately was used and of great

assistance to the Health Care Corporation in St. John's. There was an Atkinson

Report prepared several years ago, I might add, Mr. Speaker, that members

opposite were afraid to release. They sat on it. It was under lock and key for

some twenty-four months.

What I am saying to the hon. member who just asked the question is that we

will take this obligation and responsibility seriously. Our new boards and our

new CEOs will listen to what the public has to say, will listen to what the Town

of Port aux Basques has to say, for example, will listen to the physicians in

your community, will listen to the nurses in your community, and having heard

and having consulted with those individuals, who are indeed the appropriate

individuals to make representations, in due course -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the minister again, he has already acted on the Hay Report. He said

in his press release of February 24, the report recommendations about clinic

closures will not proceed. If he can make that decision then on clinic closures

without any consultation, he can make other decisions about the recommendations.

Now, the report recommends drastic downgrading of the services at

Stephenville and termination of the obstetrical services at Port aux Basques. We

already know your government's plan for rural Newfoundland is still blowing in

the wind, but little did we ever dream that it might include that we couldn't

have a baby west of the Wreck house.

You stopped the clinic closures, Minister. Will you commit today that you

will stop this foolishness about the obstetrics recommendations?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I will allow the process to unfold and to carry out in the way

that it should, again to respond to individuals, to respond to professionals,

and to respond to municipalities that are impacted. In due course, Mr. Speaker,

our new CEOs, our new health care authorities, will present to government a

proposed implementation plan taking into account everything they have heard and

the representations that have been made to them. Having their own assessment

completed, it will be forwarded to the department, it will be forwarded to

government, and the appropriate decisions will be made, again in the interests

of those impacted.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: We just have time for a very brief question and an equally

brief response.

The hon. the Member for the Bay of Islands.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JOYCE: My question is for the Minister of Health and Community

Services.

One of the recommendations of the Hay Report, 172, would allow a procedure

whereby long term care patients waiting for placements would be transferred from

Corner Brook to Stephenville. This would separate parents from children, spouses

from each other, and create an unacceptable level of stress and anxiety for

patients.

MR. SULLIVAN: (Inaudible).

MR. JOYCE: This is a very serious issue, I say to the Minister of

Finance. Parents are going to be separated, spouses are going to be separated -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I remind the hon. member, he has limited time and I have to provide for a

limited response. I ask the member to finish his question.

MR. JOYCE: Will the minister now do the right thing and cancel this

recommendation 172, as you did to the other closures of the clinics because, Mr.

Speaker, you are putting a lot of stress on spouses, senior citizens, and

families in the Corner Brook area. Will you take recommendation 172 off the

table to relieve the stress?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, there are 270 recommendations. The process that I have outlined

will carry out. There will be a process put in place whereby their boards and

those impacted will respond, and, in due course, the appropriate decisions will

be made. We are simply not going to pick, as in the example that was given, pick

and choose recommendations. What we are saying is that there is a process, there

is a procedure. It will be carried out, Mr. Speaker, and it will be carried out

in the interest of all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time allocated for Oral Questions has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

Tabling of documents.

Notices of Motions.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice that I will on tomorrow move the following motion, that this

House approve in general the budgetary policy of the government.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further Notices of Motion.

The hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I wish to give notice today that I will on

tomorrow ask leave to introduce a private member's motion which reads:

Veteran; and

WHEREAS throughout Canada all citizens are being asked to pay tribute to

veterans of the wars of the last century; and

WHEREAS Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have volunteered to serve their

country, many of whom have made the ultimate sacrifice with their lives;

THEREFORE

BE IT RESOLVED that this House of Assembly call on all citizens of

Newfoundland and Labrador to seek out veterans in their community and to thank

them for the contribution they made to preserving democracy, restoring peace to

the world, and to pay tribute to the many veterans who gave their lives to our

freedom.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further Notices of Motion.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of a number of residents of

Labrador and the Province. The petition deals with the French Immersion program,

and the prayer of the petition is as follows:

WHEREAS the Labrador School Board has made a decision not to offer French

Immersion beginning in 2005; and

WHEREAS this decision is totally in opposition to the goals of the federal

government who have set a target of having 50 per cent of high school graduates

bilingual by the year 2013; and

WHEREAS this program is very valuable and is high demand within Labrador; and

WHEREAS bilingualism provides our students with greater opportunity in their

future careers and opens many doors that would otherwise be closed; and

WHEREAS the Early Immersion program is in itself a benefit that can be used

to attract new families to Labrador; and

WHEREAS ultimately where it is the responsibility of the government to ensure

our students receive the best and broadest education possible.

We, the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to direct the government

to intervene and take whatever action is required to have this outrageous

decision cancelled and reversed so that children in Labrador can be better

prepared to meet the challenges facing them upon graduation from high school.

Mr. Speaker, I spoke earlier today on the value of the Early French Immersion

program and the number of people in Labrador who have benefitted from this

program, and because of the program itself, have gone on to far and greater

things in life. I also talked to the minister about the local employment

opportunities that require people - because they are dealing with two provinces

and three mining companies, to have this program reinstated because any

potential employment opportunities for a lot of people in Labrador, and in my

district, depends upon a person being bilingual.

Mr. Speaker, the demand, generally - in politics, government should listen to

the demand of the people, and the demand there is clear, when we have in excess

of 50 per cent of the intake at Kindergarten opting to enroll in the Early

French Immersion program; that speaks for itself, Mr. Speaker. It is the

minister's ultimate responsibility, not the school boards, to ensure that this

program is available to students in Labrador through the education system.

Mr. Speaker, 50 per cent of early enrollment in Early French Immersion, I

think speaks volumes about the success of the Early French Immersion program. As

I indicated earlier, 12 per cent of students under the Labrador school board are

indeed enrolled in Immersion programs. Mr. Speaker, that is the highest of any

school board in this Province. It is totally ludicrous. It does not make sense

for this government to condone a school board, or anyone else, denying

opportunities to the students and to the parents of Labrador when numbers like

this suggest that the demand is very high for the Early French Immersion program

to continue.

Mr. Speaker, I would encourage and urge the minister -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. COLLINS: I would encourage the minister, Mr. Speaker, because Monday,

in politics, the Budget will be coming down for the Province. I would encourage

the minister, that in this short time - if it is not done already - between now

and then, to think long and hard about the problem that we are experiencing with

the cancellation of Early French Immersion and to do what is in his power to

meet with the people who are concerned, to meet with the representatives of the

school board and to make sure that, come Monday, this program will be allowed to

survive and flourish the way it has been for more than twenty years now.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Lake Melville.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the hon. House today to present this petition:

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in

Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned, being residents of the

Districts of Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair, Labrador West, Lake Melville, and

Torngat Mountains;

WHEREAS the auditorium committee has the support of all of Labrador

communities for an auditorium in Happy Valley-Goose Bay; and

WHEREAS the committee has obtained $300,000 funding for the Department of

Canadian Heritage, dependent on provincial money and has raised $20,000 locally;

and

WHEREAS there is no performance base in Eastern Labrador and it needs to be

within walking distance for students to use;

THEREFORE we ask the government to provide the $2.4 million designated, but

not deferred to begin construction during this season, as in duty bound your

petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, I just want to make a couple of comments about this.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. HICKEY: There are a number of key infrastructure needs for us in

Labrador, particularly in my district, and the auditorium is certainly but one.

I want to say, Mr. Speaker, that we have a number of needs, and this is

certainly one of the top priorities that has come to me as an MHA from Labrador.

I will tell you that we have given, certainly, my views on this, as an MHA, to

the Premier and to the Cabinet, and I hope that we will see some success in this

particular file on this particular issue in the forthcoming Budget.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know if there is going to be a revolt in the back

benches over there, or if the money is actually in the Budget for the

auditorium, but it has to be one or the other.

Mr. Speaker, I wanted to rise today to present a petition on behalf of people

in Labrador with regard to a campaign that has been on the go to have a kidney

dialysis unit put in Labrador to service the population there.

Mr. Speaker, the people of that area have found that over recent weeks and

months they have had to have their loved ones go outside of Labrador, to move to

places in different parts of the Island of the Province, to seek medical care.

They feel that this is a very legitimate request, and I support them in it. Most

places in the Province right now where there have been a number of people that

have required kidney dialysis, we have put the money there to put the units

there to provide the services to the people. Now, Mr. Speaker -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair is having difficulty hearing the hon. member. We are aware of the

fact that the acoustics are not good in here, and the sound system is not

operating as we usually have it. I ask members for their co-operation.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, in recent weeks, and in the last year, we have

seen more people in Labrador requiring kidney dialysis than we have before. We

have a number of people right now who are on portable dialysis systems at home,

and we know that it is a matter of time when they will require more significant

services. That is why the campaign is on now to have a kidney dialysis unit put

in Labrador to service the population there.

I talked to a man only a few weeks ago, from Cartwright, whose parents had to

move to Conception Bay South to live because they were not able to access the

service in Labrador itself, and this has been very traumatic for families. They

do not always have the financial ability to be able to come down here to visit

their parents, who have had to move away from home at a very young age. It is

causing a lot of turmoil within these families.

I know that the stats are not at the level where government would like them

to be to make this investment, but I am asking them today to please consider

this as an important piece of medical equipment that needs to be placed in

Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, you already know, the Department of Health already knows, that

there is a growing rate of diabetes in our Aboriginal community, that there is a

growing rate of diabetes in the Labrador population in general, and that we have

reason to believe that, in the coming years and future years, there will be more

of a demand placed on having this kind of a service in the Labrador region.

Mr. Speaker, I am asking government. This year you had almost $50 million in

new money, in transfers through the Department of Health. You have also signed

the Atlantic Accord, which will bring in billions of dollars in new money to the

Government of Newfoundland and Labrador. I ask you to sincerely give

consideration to having a kidney dialysis unit placed in Labrador, to service

the Labrador population, so that we can keep our people at home in their

communities and accessing a service that is in Labrador, and they do not have to

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

Does the member seek leave?

MS JONES: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Okay, the Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for Grand

Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise again today to offer a petition to this hon. House on behalf of the

Central Regional Committee Against Violence in Grand Falls-Windsor.

That committee is doing wonderful work, and their only wish is that they will

be able to continue this wonderful work. A couple of months ago, they were

advised by the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment, and the

Minister Responsible for the Status of Women, that they might discontinue

funding for violence prevention. Now, that is a big statement to make -

discontinue funding for violence prevention.

That office has operated there in Grand Falls-Windsor, at 5 Hardy Avenue, for

the past seven years. That office has received government funding to do its

important work for the past seven years. Prior to that, the central co-ordinator

of that particular organization worked from her home, gave out her own telephone

number so that the public could seek her assistance. This has now become a

government-run office, which it should be. Can you imagine the partnerships that

have developed with the RCMP, with Health and Community Services and so on? I

can just give you one example that has happened most recently.

The RCMP needed a non-institutionalized centre where they could interview

children who had been abused. Naturally, this was the perfect setting for them

to use, so they went to the violence prevention office and they struck up a

partnership where they could use their office to interview victims of sexual

assault. Their resource office provided a much less threatening environment, so

they, the partners, furnished and equipped rooms to interview victims.

Mr. Speaker, we cannot allow this office to close. When you think about child

abuse, sexual abuse, elder abuse, all kinds of family abuse, how can the

minister responsible for this office say funding is a problem when we already

know that the Atlantic Accord will bring in excess of $2 billion to this

Province? They are looking for such a small amount of money to operate, and

mostly all of the operations are done by volunteers. There are only a couple of

paid staff.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to impress upon this House and the minister:

Reconsider your decision. Don't lose sight of what important work is being

done by this office, and how many people are depending on it. Reconsider. You

are a few days away from your Budget, and I know all you decisions have been

made. The funding arrangement for this office is pittance when you consider the

value that government will get for the investment. Government should not

consider cutting off funding. They should consider investing more in violence

prevention. That is the way to go, and -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I just hope I will be able to convince the minister otherwise.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition, signed by a number of resident in this

Province, calling for a referendum with the view of banning VLTs in our

Province.

WHEREAS the alarming statics in our Province indicate that there is one VLT

for every 155 adults - the highest ratio of any province in this country; and

WHEREAS gambling addiction has increased with the availability of VLTs in

restaurants and bars; and

WHEREAS it is estimated that at least 5 per cent of those who gamble face an

addiction which has led to not only costs to society but tragic consequences in

the lives of those afflicted; and

WHEREAS the people of our Province should have a right to decide on whether

or not they want to have something that causes as much destruction as VLTs in

our society;.

We, the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to direct government to

immediately increase funding for problem gambling, strictly enforce the existing

VLT regulations, remove VLTs from venues frequented by individuals under

nineteen years of age, limit the number of VLTs to bars, and to hold a

Province-wide referendum in conjunction with the municipal elections in 2005 to

determine whether or not the people of our Province want to have VLTs in our

midst.

Mr. Speaker, in recent days there have been some new developments on the

issue of VLTs in other provinces. The Province of Quebec is taking steps to

reduce the number of VLTs. The Opposition in Nova Scotia have gone public,

calling on government to decrease by 50 per cent the number of VLTs in their

province by the end of this year, with all of them to be eliminated by the year

2008. Mr. Speaker, that is a direction that this Province should be taking as

well. We do not need things in our society that cause the problems that VLTs

cause. They are known by experts in the addiction field as the crack cocaine of

gambling, and they are known as that for a reason, Mr. Speaker, because of the

speed and the so little time it takes for people's lives to be destroyed.

Mr. Speaker, recently, in yesterday's The Telegram , there was a case

in Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, where a person lost his income tax refund to

VLTs, and he went home, got his axe, came back to the club, and you know what he

did with the five VLTs. Well, they might not have paid out but they did not take

any money after either.

Mr. Speaker, that is what these machines can drive people to do. He did not

get thrown in jail for that, Mr. Speaker. When he went to court, he was placed

on probation and ordered to pay the damages, but the judge understood what this

man was going through as a result of losing so much money to an addiction that

he had with the VLTs.

Mr. Speaker, this Province has to consider the amount of damage that has been

done to people, the people who have taken their lives, the people who have

ruined themselves and their families financially. I think it is time for the

Province to take a serious look -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MR. COLLINS: By leave, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: Yes.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted for some concluding comments.

MR. COLLINS: Hopefully next week, on Budget Day, we will see some sign

that this government is willing to relinquish the millions of dollars taken in;

because this money that they can go without, by getting rid of VLTs, will come

back into the economy in other ways, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to the day that

government takes its responsibility and calls for the elimination of VLTs in

this Province.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of people from all regions of

Labrador, Mr. Speaker. This petition is in light of the Province's new fiscal

position that they find themselves in, but basically -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: Basically what the petition says, Mr. Speaker, is with regard

to the funds that will be received on recall power being sold by the government,

exported into the United States. They are calling upon the Premier and the

government to now invest these funds solely into infrastructure in Labrador, to

have the highway through Labrador paved, and to start the building of

transmission lines to transport cheaper power for industry development into

Labrador communities.

Mr. Speaker, in 1999, the Liberal government, under Brian Tobin, did sign a

deal to export recall power on the Upper Churchill. Last year, the Premier of

the Province, Premier Williams and his government, renegotiated and signed that

deal as well to continue with the export of power. As far as I know right now,

there is about 90 megawatts of power being exported into the U.S., that the

government this year will earn $45 million in profit on that particular

resource. It is a five-year contract that will bring in about $230 million in

profit over a five-year period.

Mr. Speaker, when this deal was signed almost a year ago, the Province was in

a very different fiscal situation. They were not in a position to be able to

cover off the daily expenditures for social programs within the Province, and it

would have been unrealistic for Labradorians to expect that this money could be

put into a separate fund or into separate investments for their community.

Well, in light of the fact that the government has now signed the Atlantic

Accord, has made a special case within the federation of Canada to allow

Newfoundland and Labrador to keep 100 per cent of its royalties on oil and gas,

now Labradorians also want the government to consider their fiscal and their

need for infrastructure, and ask the government to give them some priority under

this particular agreement.

Mr. Speaker, I am not talking about power that is being sold under the winter

availability agreement - I understand how that works - but this is power, 130

megawatts, that was reserved for Labrador communities, to be used to supply them

with options for industry development. They are not able to access it simply

because they do not have the infrastructure at this time. So what we are asking

is that government, when they receive this profit over the next five years, make

a commitment to invest it directly into Labrador, to start building the

transmission lines - which I understand now the cost of a line that would run

from Churchill Falls into Happy Valley-Goose Bay would be somewhere around $55

million. A line that would see an upgrading, addition of a substation and

running into Labrador West, would cost about $60 million.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: Just a minute to clue up, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: Yes.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted for some concluding comments.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, we know that it is well over a $100 million

expenditure to be able to deal with that problem, but we also know that in five

years, when the agreement runs out, there would be an opportunity that this

power could stay in Labrador communities and be used to attract alternative

industry, as well as seeing some of it invested into upgrading and paving of the

Trans-Labrador Highway.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am always interested to hear the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair. I

am not trying to diminish the issues that she raises, because they are all

important to the people of Labrador, but I am not sure if it is a farewell

speech or a final dash for the cash in terms of the nomination that is coming up

on March 29.

Having said all of that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish her well. What she

is doing today is either one of two things: Either the Member for Torngat should

get back here, or she should get back up there. I am not sure which is true, Mr.

Speaker.

Having said that - I do want to be clear that I am not trying to diminish the

importance of the issues that are being raised, because they are important -

many of the issues that she has raised are issues that government is dealing

with. The decisions, the potential decisions, will unfold in due course.

Mr. Speaker, with that, I move Motion 1, that the House resolve itself into a

Committee of Whole on Supply to consider certain resolutions for the granting of

Interim Supply to Her Majesty, Bill 2.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform the House that I have

received a message from His Honour the Lieutenant Governor.

MR. SPEAKER: All rise.

The message from His Honour reads as follows:

As Lieutenant Governor of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, I

transmit a request to appropriate sums required for the Public Service of the

Province for the year ending 31 March 2006, by way of Interim Supply, and in

accordance with provisions of sections 54 and 90 of the Constitution Act, 1867,

I recommend this request to the House of Assembly.

Sgd.: _________________________________________________________

Edward Roberts, Lieutenant Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I move that the message, together with a bill, be referred to the Committee

of Supply.

MR. SPEAKER: The motion is that the message, together with a bill, be

referred to the Committee of Supply.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

Motion carried.

Committee of the Whole

CHAIR (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

Bill 2,

An Act For Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For

Defraying Certain Expenses Of The Public Service For the Financial Year Ending

March 31 2006 And For Other Purposes Relating To The Public Service.

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I just rise to comment briefly on the Interim Supply Bill which is, as

members are aware, seeking approval for $1,446,010,500, which is really

technically an advance on the Budget amount for this year, which will be brought

down on Monday, and approval to be able to carry on the functions of government

until the Budget will get approval from this Legislature, which may be in May or

may be in June, depending. Last year it was in June. We hope it won't be

August. If so, we will have to come back to the House with another Interim

Supply Bill, if it goes much beyond July.

The numbers are all there, so the department can continue to pay employees,

so it can continue to meet payrolls for income support, to be able to advance

money for road construction, operation of ferries, maintenance of buildings, and

pay utilities, the costs of running government operations. That is the purpose

of an Interim Supply Bill, to advance monies to enable the workings of

government to go on. Without Interim Supply, as we know, and no legislative

authority to spend, activities of government would stop, without legislative

approval.

That is basically the intent of it. The amounts here are just percentages of

the amounts needed to run each department. Some requirements are obviously

higher than others at certain times. Sometimes approval may be getting monies

out, whether it is a tender process. Some programs require early expenditures of

money and some require expenditures later in the year. The cash flow on programs

vary, depending on the type of program, the involvement of the program, the

season of the year and so on, and the financial requirements needed to be able

to meet those ongoing commitments.

Of course, the Legislature is one of these, to be able to function, to be

able to be here beyond the end of March. Technically, we need approval so the

Legislature can even meet and be able to get paid, to meet and be able to

approve then the general budget and expenditures associated with it. I am not

going to belabour any of these points. In due course, between today and I am

sure on Tuesday or Thursday, whenever this bill passes, we will have ample

opportunity to look at all the details. Within the next legislative day we will

have an opportunity to look at the Budget, the estimates. Every detail of that

particular bill will be encompassed within the Budget and within the total

estimates in our spendings for the 2005-2006 year.

So, with that, Mr. Chairman, I will conclude my comments. I am sure over the

course of this afternoon or next week during debate on this, I will add other

comments to it if necessary and so on.

Thank you.

CHAIR: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

This is a rundown, I guess, or a warm-up for next week. So it is a preview of

next week, starting Tuesday.

MR. SULLIVAN: It is a preview of next year, actually.

MS THISTLE: Well, it is a preview of what we are going to be saying,

starting next week.

The first thing I wanted to say, Mr. Chairman, yesterday the Minister of

Finance and President of Treasury Board laid a special warrant on the table.

Now, my ears are still ringing with his words to me, when I was the President of

Treasury Board, about special warrants. I can tell you, when I was the President

of Treasury Board there were very few special warrants.

The special warrant that he laid on the table yesterday was dated March 9,

2005. Now, when you present a special warrant, it has to be an urgent situation

to have a special warrant into effect when the House is not in session. Now, he

knew full well that within a week the House of Assembly would open. His special

warrant was dated to the Lieutenant Governor March 9, and we opened the House of

Assembly March 16. I would like for him to tell me what was so urgent that it

could not wait seven days so that it could have been - there was nothing in the

media. I did not hear in the media anyone wanting special emergency funding. I

did not hear doctors crying out, saying that they needed extra money. I did not

hear health and community services crying out in the media there was any panic -

no panic buttons to be pushed. Yet, for all of that, the Minister of Finance,

who was always the strong proponent of no special warrants, could not wait seven

days until he got in the House to do it properly. So, we will all be interested

in hearing what his excuse is when -

AN HON. MEMBER: He wanted to do it under the cover of darkness.

MS THISTLE: Yes.

I am sure he will have some reason to tell us, but I cannot imagine how there

would be anything that life shattering or earth shattering -

MR. SULLIVAN: (Inaudible).

MS THISTLE: Oh, I know you are itching to answer, but you just hold onto

your seat, your britches, and you will get plenty of time.

CHAIR: Order, please!

MS THISTLE: Now I would like to talk about Bill 2, which is the Interim

Supply. I had to go and check when I saw Bill 2 -

MR. SULLIVAN: A point of order, Mr. Chair.

CHAIR: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board, on a point

of order.

MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Chair, the hon. member has made a statement that is not

correct. I think it is important at this time, rather than to move forward, to

spell that out.

We had hoped to wait until the House opened to be able to deal with this. We

were told that there was not sufficient money in the vote to be able to pay

doctors. There was an extra $7.5 million extra money on doctors because there

are sixty-five new doctors in the Province since last year. There was not enough

money in the vote for the fee for service and we would not be able to pay the

doctors. We had hoped it could last until the House opened, but because it could

not - we held it as long as we could, hoping we could wait until the House

opened and get a supplementary supply bill. We were told if we did not issue it

then, they would not get paid. That is the reason why, and that is what

warranted a special warrant in the opinion of the Minister of Health.

CHAIR: Order, please!

There is certainly no point of order, just a point of clarification.

The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Well, Mr. Chairman, you can see he is pretty sensitive, isn't

he? After standing on his feet for ten years talking about special warrants -

complaining about them - and here he could not wait seven days. He had to go and

issue a special warrant.

MR. SULLIVAN: Well, we could wait but we did not want the doctors to wait

for their cheques.

MS THISTLE: What do you mean you did not want doctors to wait for their

cheques? They are dropping off like flies. They are quitting sure.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MS THISTLE: Well, that is what we are hearing. They are dropping off like

flies.

CHAIR: Order, please!

I ask that the hon. Member for Grand Falls-Buchans be heard. Every member

will get an opportunity to respond and have an opportunity to speak to this

resolution.

The hon. the Member for Grand Fall-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you.

Mr. Chairman, I hope that his point of order is not cutting into my time

because I was looking over this Bill 2, this Interim Supply, and I would say to

the general public out there watching this telecast this afternoon, there is

going to be big spending in the Budget on Monday. There is going to be big

spending in the Budget. We already know that they are looking for Interim

Supply, almost $200 million more than they asked for this time last year. They

are looking for almost $200 million for Interim Supply to run the services of

government more than they did last year, and that tells a lot of things about

this government. They laid off a lot of staff. They cut a lot of services. They

generated new income by way of new fees and so on, but still, for all of that,

they are going to spend close to $200 million in this request alone.

Now, where are they going to spend this money, I wonder? That is the key.

Where are they going to spend this money? I have an idea where they could spend

money. I can tell you that the people of Grand Falls-Buchans - on Monday they

are expecting a huge announcement in Grand Falls-Windsor. We are expecting a

huge announcement in Grand Falls-Windsor on Monday. I do not think I will be

wrong in this, but I think the government has realized that the Central West

Health Care Board, which has a new name now, their request to government for the

cancer clinic will be approved on Monday. The request for the cancer clinic in

Grand Falls-Windsor will be approved on Monday. That is an announcement I am

going to make and if I am wrong, I will not believe it because there will be no

excuse. There will be no excuse that this government will be able to produce

that will cover off why there would not be an announcement on the cancer clinic

on Monday. The board has done their homework. The need is there. The requests

are by many. The endorsements come from every sector that you might imagine. The

Canadian Cancer Society has endorsed this request. Every community within

Central Newfoundland has endorsed it. There is no excuse, under the sun, why the

people of Grand Falls-Windsor will not get their cancer clinic on Monday. I am

truly expecting it, and you will never satisfy me with any reason why it will

not be announced on Monday. So, I am going to write that down as a very positive

decision that this new government is making on Monday: There will be a cancer

clinic in Grand Falls-Windsor.

I was on my feet a few moments ago and I talked about the centre for violence

in Grand Falls-Windsor, which has a very legitimate request. We are not talking

about a lot of money, but we are talking about a lot of good this centre can do

for a lot of people. It has already been proven that this centre helps many

people from Eastport to Westport. They cover four geographic regions, and they

have partnerships with everyone connected to social issues in Central

Newfoundland.

I would ask the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment, the

Minister Responsible for the Status of Women - I am looking directly at her as I

speak - I ask you to sell this idea to your Cabinet colleagues, if you have not

already done it, because you will be doing a lot of good for the people of

Central Newfoundland and, in particular, Grand Falls-Windsor.

If the RCMP and Health and Community Services can partner with the community

violence organization and ask that their premises be used to interview sexual

assault victims, and raise money and furnish that office for that purpose, can

you see the good in that? Can you see the money that you are saving as a

government? Because mostly all the people in that office are volunteers. They

have a record of doing good over the past seven years. There is very little

money required.

Make the right investment. Do the right thing as a government and you will

not need to second-guess your decision. It is the right thing to do. So, I call

upon the minister to make that decision on Monday. I am sure it has been made

already. Let the people in Grand Falls-Windsor know they can continue their

violence prevention, and those victims have a place where they can turn, and

they can pick up a phone and they know there will be somebody at the other end

to help them in their time of need. You can make no better decision. I would

like to impress upon you that importance.

I want to congratulate Jessica Magalios and the Canadian Federation of

Students. They have outwitted the Premier. They have outwitted the Premier. When

I saw Jessica Magalios and her entourage do their press conference, they used

the posters of the commitment that Paul Martin made to our Premier, and they

used them so effectively. It did not cost them any money to do it. They just

recounted the words that our Premier used against Paul Martin. It was so

effective. They came to see the Premier and the Minister of Education, not

expecting a direct answer. The Throne Speech was on Tuesday, and they had met

with the Premier in the morning.

I have to say cheers to Jessica Magalios and the Canadian Federation of

Students. They upstaged the Premier with his own words, and he could not resist.

He could not look away from it. He had to admit that he expected the Prime

Minister of this country, once he made a promise, to keep it. The young people

reminded our Premier that once he made a promise he should keep it.

The promises were all the ones that were outlined in this book, about

freezing tuition for post-secondary students. He had to abide by his own words,

because it meant so much during the Atlantic Accord.

I would say congratulations to our young people. They were able to secure

that tuition freeze without spending any of their own money that they did not

even have. Congratulations!

I wonder, is the Minister of Education ready to make that same commitment to

the students who are at the College of the North Atlantic? Can he assure

students, teachers and parents, that there will be no campuses of the College of

the North Atlantic closing in the Budget on Monday?

They were able to secure a commitment from the Premier. Can people around

this Province - students - secure that same commitment from the Minister of

Education, that there will be no cuts to campuses of the College of the North

Atlantic on Monday? Is he willing to stand in his place and give that

commitment? I wonder.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MS FOOTE: Did you hear what the Member for Gander just said?

MS THISTLE: I heard what the Member for Gander just said. I have a keen

sense of hearing, and I am not going to even mention what the Member for Gander

said. There is lots I could mention that the Member for Gander has said. I have

a briefcase here of things that were in the media, that the Member for Gander

has said. I will not embarrass the Member for Gander today. He will have lots of

chances to get up on his feet and speak for the people in his district, if he

wants to.

I want to talk about an e-mail that I received today, just before I came to

this House of Assembly. It talked about the money that was announced earlier

this week by the Minister of Education and the Premier. It talked about the

money that was announced regarding repairs to schools, and improvements. It did

not talk about new construction. This parent impressed upon myself that all the

talk about school repairs seems to be happening on the Avalon.

Now, there are lots of schools throughout the Province that are well in need

of repairs and they are outside the Avalon. Apparently there was a meeting held

- actually, there is supposed to be a meeting held this afternoon, March 17,

with the Minister of Education and a group of parents and school councils from

the Avalon to discuss school maintenance items.

I know that the Minister of Education is from the Avalon, but that does not

preclude - I ask a question to the Minister of Education: Why do you just invite

people from the Avalon when you are having a meeting? I mean, there are issues

all over this Province; they are not unique to the Avalon.

We have three schools in Grand Falls-Windsor that have leaks, as well as

those here in the Avalon. In fact, in Woodland Primary there was a leak in the

roof last week and water came in through the library ceiling. Computer classes

were cancelled because equipment from the library had to be stored in the

computer room.

You are having a meeting today with parents and teachers just from the

Avalon. Let me tell you that your jurisdiction is the whole entire Province and

it would not hurt sometimes, when you are wanting a perspective from right

across the Island, to invite people from different districts so you can hear

different concerns being raised.

We also had notice today of a leaky roof at Millcrest gymnasium in three

separate areas. So, you know how disruptive that is to sports programs that are

being taught at the gymnasium and how disruptive it is for play and so on. So,

$16 million, that is not a whole lot of money to announce for schools right

across our Province. I hope that is just a preview that people can expect in our

Budget on Monday, that you are going to see a whole lot of more money put into

school repair and new school construction.

I want to talk about Bill 2, and I was trying to compare -

CHAIR: Order, please!

I remind the hon. Member for Grand Falls-Buchans that her time has expired.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am sure I will have another opportunity.

Thank you.

CHAIR: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I just wanted to address, in a little more detail there - I did not want to

take too much time. With reference to - even though it is not a part, I say to

the member, of this Interim Supply Bill, it is a monetary matter and it is a

matter that pertains to the 2004-05 fiscal year while Interim Supply is approval

for an Interim Supply Bill as a part of 2005-06 year, but I do want to comment

on the special warrant as she raised it.

We, as a government, have been very critical of issuing special warrants,

particularly where it could be debated here in the House under Supplementary

Supply. In the past, what we have done over the past year, and even last year

before March 31, we brought a Supplementary Supply Bill to the House rather than

a special warrant because we could do it. In this instance, the House was slated

to open on March 15 - or the second Monday of March, which would have been March

14, and the holiday. Then on March 15 we had hoped to bring a Supplementary

Supply here and be able to deal with this under a Supplementary Supply Bill, but

because the House was not open and the Department of Health issued a special

warrant - because we were informed that if they did not have the money prior to

March 10, the Department of Health could not meet the payroll needed to be able

to pay the accounts, in particular to physicians on that basis. The money was

not appropriated here to do it.

So, on that basis the Department of Health, and under a special warrant as

issued by the minister of the department who considers it urgent to have to

issue a warrant to meet an ongoing commitment - we consider it essential. It is

in the

interpretation of the minister, essential, that if we can meet a payroll

or pay a cheque and the House was closed, that it was urgent, that somebody has

to be paid and physicians had to be paid. Whether it was income support people

who had to be paid, we would have a warrant or a Supplementary Supply Bill. If

it is anybody in our system or any public employees of our Province who would

have to be paid on a certain day, it would have necessitated that.

We have one special warrant tabled here in this House. Last year, I think

there were fifteen special warrants. The former government passed them out like

they were going out of style; like it was an everyday occurrence. There were

dozens of them there at the end of the year, to move monies around and to avoid

proper accounting procedures. We stand for proper accounting procedures. We want

things done properly. We would have liked to do a Supplementary Supply Bill; we

could not do it because the commitment had to be made. That is why there is a

special warrant here stated for $7.3 million, a special warrant, and there will

be a Supplementary Supply Bill debated in this House in this session to give

approval to do that.

When we took over as a government in November, 2003, we had to deal with

Supplementary Supply Bills from 2002-2003, from 2003-2004. We had to go two

years back. The former government would not even bring a bill to this House and

debate it for legislative approval for money that they issued in a special

warrant and would not come to the people here in the people's House to approve

that money. We had to do it. We had to clear off a whole backlog of bills when

they did not exercise their responsibility to deal efficiently and expeditiously

with bills on expenditures they had already made and did not bring it to the

people of the Province. We are not going to do that, Mr. Chairman. Every single

instance where we can deal with a Supplementary Supply Bill, we are going to it.

If there is a forest fire that requires money and there is no budget and we have

to deal with it through special warrant, that is a just cause. If people who

work for this Province giving medical services, fee-for-service, whether they

are specialists or in family practices or whatever, they have to do their jobs.

Whether it is an operation, whether it is cardiac surgery, replacement of hips

or whatever the case may be, they are employed indirectly on a fee-for-service

by the Province, we pay for that service and we expect them to get paid.

In that $7.3 million, there was also a $2.8 million on top of the $4.5

million for physicians that was necessary to deal with medical services for

out-of-province programs. That was the amount that we needed over and above what

was allocated in the Budget. That money had to be paid, and when money has to be

paid it has to be paid, and we are going to live up to our responsibility to do

that. We are not going to expect people to wait until it comes to the House here

to have to get paid. We have minimized it. We have it down to one.

Look at history. Read the Auditor General's reports in the past, how often

the AG has cited the manipulation of funds at year end. There are numerous

things, I say to the hon. member, that she would see as being done differently.

It is done properly and it will be properly accounted for and be done in a

manner that is open and transparent. We will give exactly the reasons for doing

what we have to do.

It is a last resort when you see a Special Warrant issued. We had two

earlier. Two were issued last fall. We dealt with them in a Supply Bill in the

House last fall. One was 100 per cent reimbursable, $72,700 on a search and

rescue program, I think it was, the Department of Justice. We had 100 per cent

reimbursement from the federal government. If we didn't do it then, we would

not have gotten the continuation of a three-year program and gotten 100 per cent

of the money. That is a justification. They are not issues that have ever been

raised in the past.

We had one other one this fall. We made a decision last fall - the House was

not open and they wanted to add new RCMP officers in Labrador to deal with

policing and problems of a justice nature - and last fall we brought a bill to

the House, debated it here in this House, and approved it subsequently, a

Supplementary Supply Bill to deal with putting RCMP officers in Labrador, and

extra staff. They needed approval right away so they could have them in place.

If they had to wait for the House to open it would have been a lag. In the

opinion of the Minister of Justice it was sufficient to warrant that and the

Warrant gets issued by the minister who is responsible for that department. It

was one that we endorsed and we acted on. We put the wheels in motion to get

those RCMP officers. In the process, arrangements were made to have them moved

there and to be used in the necessary policing in Labrador.

We don't make any excuses for doing that. It was a very justifiable

procedure. It was debated and got approval, I think. I cannot speak for that

side of the House. I do believe it was supported, from memory, by that side of

the House on that issue. It was open and transparent. Not only was it done, but

the bill that gave authority to it was brought to the House immediately. I did a

news release indicating that we had done it and it would be brought to the House

in a Supplementary Supply Bill, not wait until the House opens.

This one was done very recently. I would have followed the same procedure if

there was time, but since the House was open I wanted to give notice immediately

on that. That is what was done when I tabled that yesterday at the very first

opportunity, basically, when the House opened here on Tuesday. So, that is an

opportunity to be able to be open, to be transparent and debate that issue. Even

though that is not even related to the bill that is on debate here in the House,

the minister raised it and I want to clarify that issue here so it is fully

understood here.

What we are debating here in this House is an Interim Supply Bill of $1.4

billion, to get approval for this money so we can carry on the workings of

government beyond March 31. That is what this bill is about; we want to be able

to carry on the workings of government. The Province cannot shut down on March

31. It was common in the past, an annual thing, to have an Interim Supply Bill.

I must say, when we were in Opposition, and the current Opposition, last

year, were always co-operative in getting this. I think they realize the

importance of government being able to carry out its day-to-day business here. I

have never in my time in the House, I think, seen problems associated with

Interim Supply passing. That has always gotten the co-operation, I think, of

everybody in the House, as they know we need to pay employees, we need to do

work that is needed to be done, and we need it to be able to carry on business

in anticipation of a Budget getting passed later on in the spring or early

summer, whatever the case may be.

I just wanted to clarify those particular points, and if others arise that

require clarification or comments I will certainly get an opportunity later on

today or next week to be able to do that.

Thank you.

CHAIR: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I wanted to rise today and have a few words with regard to Interim Supply.

Mr. Chairman, I wanted to talk a little bit about some of the announcements

last week when the Cabinet took their jaunt into Labrador for the first time,

all of the Cabinet up in the Big Land, up there, flying all the mayors in from

all of the communities to discuss the important issues of Labradorians.

Mr. Chairman, I have to say, it is good to see the Cabinet going out and

doing that, and we are hoping that discussion was a fruitful one. We are hoping

that when the Budget comes down on Monday there will be oodles and oodles and

oodles of money announced for Labrador, Mr. Chairman. We are expecting it. The

expectation is definitely there. I can tell you that the mayors who sat at that

round table - I have talked to a lot of them - they feel confident that Monday

the floodgates will open up and there will be lots of new investment for

Labrador communities.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible) Newfoundland and Labrador.

MS JONES: Not like that, that was announced last week, Mr. Chairman, I

say. Fifty-six million dollars was announced in Labrador, for Labradorians. Mr.

Chairman, out of the $56 million, I would say close to $54 million of it was

federal money. Close to $54 million was federal government money.

MR. SULLIVAN: That is our money, too. (Inaudible).

MS JONES: Now, don't get me wrong, because I don't care where it

comes from, if it is the federal government or if it is the provincial

government, as long as it goes into the pockets and the communities of people in

Labrador.

I say this, Mr. Chairman: You give credit where credit is due. It was only

about $2 million of all that money that actually came from the general revenue

of the Province. I could be corrected. It might have been $100,000 or so either

way. I can be corrected.

Let's talk about some of these announcements. The money for the medical

travel program for Labrador was a transfer of money under the Health Accord from

the federal government to the provincial government, that was signed in

November. For almost six months that money has been lying somewhere within the

revenue of the provincial government. It has not yet been allocated to Labrador

communities. Every single day, somewhere in my district, or somewhere in another

district in Labrador, someone is looking to get to hospital in St. John's, or

in Corner Brook, or in Grand Falls, and they cannot afford to get there.

Mr. Chairman, it is very, very frustrating for people when they know that the

government, in November, signed a health accord, when they know that in November

the federal government gave them money for this program so that they could have

access to these hospitals and that they would not have to pay out of their own

pocket.

Mr. Chairman, I hope that on Monday, finally, the government will see fit to

take that money and put it where it belongs, in the hands of Labradorians who

have to go out for medical treatment, so that it does not matter if you live in

Nain, if you live in L'Anse-au-Loup, if you live in Goose Bay, if you live in

Cartwright, if you live in Labrador City - it does not matter - you will be able

to have access to the services of the main hospital in St. John's at a rate

that people can afford to access them, not like it is now.

Mr. Chairman, we will be expecting that announcement, and I will be expecting

an announcement, I want to say to the Minister of Transportation and Works, an

announcement that will make some corrections on the highway between Lodge Bay

and Red Bay. That

section of road is currently closed. We have had very little

effort and very little equipment applied to that highway over the winter. The

government just announced $750,000 for another depot to go on that road. I am

not saying that is a bad thing, but what I am saying is: Where is the priority

right now? The priority right now, for us, is to have some money invested to

make the corrections that have to be made to some of the rock cuts in that road

so that next year we can hope to keep the road open for the entire year.

Mr. Chairman, we want to see some small things done as well, like putting a

few snow blowers on the road, dedicated to that

section of road, to try and keep

it open.

Mr. Chairman, I know that the minister, with the new-found wealth in the

government opposite, is going to do everything in his power to try and get this

road corrected this summer, and get some work done on it. Mr. Chairman, I

certainly hope that all efforts are going to be made to see that happens.

Mr. Chairman, we also heard a few other announcements made with regard to

municipal infrastructure money. There are a lot of communities in Labrador that

will access that money to improve infrastructure in their communities, but there

are a lot that cannot access it. They cannot access it simply because, having to

pay a portion of the cost, as small municipalities, they are not able to do so.

When you look at a community like Black Tickle, that has no water and sewer, Mr.

Chairman, we have to ensure that we work closer with the federal government to

try and get 100 per cent funded infrastructure programs for those communities,

because they will not be able to participate in cost-shared initiatives. They do

not have the revenue in their community and they do not have the investment to

make it happen.

Mr. Chairman, what a lot of people expected to hear last week when the

Cabinet was in Labrador was, when the new office of Labrador and Aboriginal

Affairs was going to have a deputy minister. When the Budget came down last

year, when the Throne Speech came down last year, it had all kinds of nice

little words and nice little commitments that talked about opening a Premier's

office in Labrador, Mr. Chairman. Well, last week they said the same thing

again. Three times now they have announced that they are going to put a Premier's

office in Labrador and yet we still do not have one.

Mr. Chairman, in fourteen months they have not even been able to fill the

Deputy Minister of Labrador Affairs vacancy in Labrador. That is the emphasis

and the effort that they have put on it.

Mr. Chairman, maybe, just maybe, if they took the Member for Lake Melville,

the only government-elected MHA in Labrador, and put him in the Cabinet, let him

sit at the inner circle, maybe they could all learn something, I say to the

members opposite. Maybe then, Mr. Chairman, we would have a good voice in

Labrador representing Labradorians.

Mr. Chairman, that is the key. I will tell you, my experience is this: When

you know the issue, when you know the solution, when you are shown a way to get

it done, it gets done. No one is going to convince me in this House of Assembly,

and no one is going to convince anybody in Labrador, that having someone from

the Northern Peninsula, or the Baie Verte Peninsula, or any other peninsula on

the Island, is going to do a better job at representing Labradorians than the

person who someone in a district in Labrador had the confidence to elect and

send to the House of Assembly. Mr. Speaker, do you want to do the right thing?

Do you want to show a commitment to Labrador communities? Well, you pay respect

to what people have said, and they have said that they are going to send a

member to your side of the House and to your government and you give them the

kind of respect they deserve, and take the advice. Let him sit at the inner

circle, let him represent Labradorians and Labrador communities, and I think you

will get a lot more results.

Mr. Chairman, when that is done, maybe they will fill the deputy minister

position for Labrador and Aboriginal Affairs, a department that we have seen

fourteen, fifteen jobs in. When they took over that, there are five or six

positions left in that office. That is the kind of commitment we have seen to

Labrador issues. I think there is a lot more that could be done.

As I said, we have listened to them announce the Premier's Office now three

times and it is still not set up. Maybe when they came in to make the big

announcement last week, or perhaps this will be in the Budget. Perhaps in the

Budget on Monday, Labradorians will finally get a full commitment from the

members opposite, and the government opposite, to put a full marketing division

in Goose Bay for 5 Wing. Maybe that is what they will do. They will make a

commitment to put a marketing division there for 5 Wing Goose Bay so that they

can send someone, that there is someone who is dedicated just to go to Europe to

meet with the allied countries, to try and secure contracts for the base there.

That is a good suggestion for a commitment for investment for the government

opposite.

Mr. Chairman, I am well aware of the commitment that they made to the

hospital in Labrador City and Wabush, the $200,000 to do a study. It is okay to

do a study, it is okay to look at if you need to put a new facility there or

not, but if the government, even tomorrow, announced they were going to put a

new facility there, it would be five or six years down the road before a patient

would ever be able to check into it. In the meantime, there is still work that

has to be done. I want to encourage the members opposite to take some of the $50

million that you received this year in health transfers, extra money from the

federal government, and invest it in this infrastructure.

Mr. Chairman, I can tell you that, at the present time there are a lot of

very pressing issues in Labrador. I am not going to go into all of them.

CHAIR: Order, please!

I remind the hon. Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair that her time has

expired.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will speak again later in the

session.

Thank you.

CHAIR: The hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am very pleased today to be able to stand and make a few comments about

Bill 2, a bill that is asking this Assembly to approve some $1.4 billion to

allow government to continue on and function between now and the time we

actually approve our final budget. I think it is critical, Mr. Chairman, as we

ask this Legislature to approve this money, to look at some of the things that

we want to spend that money on. To help us do that, I think one of the first

documents we look to is the map that we saw laid out for us the day before

yesterday in the Speech from the Throne.

My two colleagues, in responding to the Speech from the Throne, did an

admirable job in commenting about the significance of this particular speech and

the direction this government is taking with respect to the people in their

districts and the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.

I want to add my own comments, Mr. Chairman, if I could, because I think this

document, this Speech from the Throne delivered on March 15, clearly outlines a

clear, distinct vision for the next twelve months. I think our government has

outlined a number of strong initiatives on a variety of areas. It is a

well-balanced perspective on what Newfoundland and Labrador needs to do during

the next twelve-month period. As we sit in this House on Monday I am certain

that the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board will deliver a

Budget that reflects the balance that is outlined in this Speech from the

Throne, and that Budget will reflect the financial commitment to ensure that we,

as a government, are able to follow through and deliver on some of the

commitments and understandings outlined in the Speech from the Throne.

Looking at some of it, I just want to take, Mr. Chairman, if I could, a

couple of the areas, because one of the most significant dollar amounts in this

request is to the Department of Health and Community Services. Some $610 million

of this fund will go directly to the Department of Health and Community

Services, and understandably, because the Department of Health and Community

Services, through its boards and operations throughout the Province, in fact

spend the biggest portion of government's funding on an annual basis. That is

to be said for years in the past and I am certain it will reflect the reality of

the future as well.

In this Speech from the Throne, there are a couple of points, I think, Mr.

Chairman, I would like to comment on directly related to health care. The first

one deals with a commitment to expand dialysis services. I am extremely pleased,

and this government has been extremely pleased, to be able to finally announce

the dialysis services for Gander. We received the first patient on dialysis

services on February 28; a unit that once it has it full twelve patients will

have met - in fact, one of the promising things about this is that once we have

accepted up to the twelfth patient we will have addressed the entire wait list

for that entire region, I say to the Member for Gander, a tremendous

accomplishment, a commitment made by this government last year, and a commitment

delivered.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: It is the kind of money we are asking for here, Mr. Speaker,

that allows us to continue to provide that service.

In my own district, dialysis service introduced several years ago

outstretched its demand. It, in fact, had reached the point where it was

bursting at the seems. I was very pleased to be able to announce that in recent

months we have been able to expand that service to take us from six patients up

to twelve, adding three more units to that service.

Dialysis services in this Province, as we have heard in this House - members

opposite have raised the issue many times. My colleagues on this side of the

House have raised the issue many times with respect to their regions. We have a

crying and increasing need for dialysis services in this Province. It is a

growing need. It reflects the reality of some of the health problems experienced

by many of the residents of this Province.

This government is committed to continuing to respond to the need for

dialysis services, just like they have done in Clarenville where there was an

increased need to expand the service that was there already established and

established well. Gander, a brand new service and now up and running. Those are

the kinds of services and the kinds of programs we are providing with the money

that we are now asking this House to approve, so we can continue, without

interruption, between now and the time we have our Budget approved.

One of the other significant thrusts to this Speech from the Throne that I

think is really important, important, Mr. Speaker, because I think it reflects a

new reality, a new direction for health services in this Province, and indeed

should reflect the reality across this country - for far too long health

services in this country, and in this Province as well, have thought very much

about putting in place large amounts of infrastructure to treat illness, to cure

people who have gotten sick. Mr. Speaker, one of the things that we have

probably not done as good a job at is, in fact, health promotion, the prevention

of illness, providing a healthy population. What we are talking about here, a

major shift in thinking and a thrust that is outlined in the Speech from the

Throne, is a refocusing, a refocusing of our attention, a refocusing of some of

our resources on prevention, and looking at a healthy population.

How do we, in fact, improve the health status of a population to avoid the

very expensive medical interventions that are required down the road? Dialysis

services, that I alluded to a moment ago, come about as a result of - one of the

major contributing factors is the significant incidents of diabetes in this

Province. Some of the things we are running into with respect to child health in

this Province reflect the lack of physical activity by many of our children.

I just want to read, Mr. Speaker, for the benefit of the House, a couple of

very startling statistics that came out in a report that was released sometime

in the late fall. There are a couple of startling things here because here is

what it tell us. It tells us, Mr. Speaker, that within Newfoundland and Labrador

physical activity rates lower than anywhere else in this country. Newfoundland

and Labrador reported lower rates of physical activity than in other provinces

in this country. In Newfoundland and Labrador we have a higher percentage of our

population categorized as being obese, more than any other jurisdiction in the

country.

Mr. Speaker, any province, whether it is Newfoundland and Labrador or any

province across this country, cannot continue to ignore the deteriorating health

status of a population and at the same time expect to reduce the costs of health

services in their particular jurisdictions. These are some of the things, Mr.

Speaker, that we need to start addressing today. The investments that we are

going to start making today, as announced in this Speech from the Throne and

announced in the Budget, these are the kinds of investments that we need to make

to ensure that when we reach ten, fifteen, twenty years from now we will not

continue to have the high instance of diabetes that exists today in the Province

or the high instance of kidney failure that we are experiencing in this Province

this year, during the last five to ten years particularly.

Mr. Speaker, these are the kinds of initiatives in health care that reflect a

different vision than the past, and focus on the future. They focus on a

healthier population, creating an environment, fostering an environment,

investing in initiatives, whether it is increased physical activity for our

school aged children or whether it is in improved dietary habits.

This past Monday I had an opportunity to spend some time with a number of

health coalitions from around the Province. In fact, the entire Province was

represented. There were people there from Labrador, the Northern Peninsula,

Western Newfoundland, Central Newfoundland, the Avalon Peninsula area, the

Eastern part of the Province, all of them sitting around a table talking about

the great things that are happening in their regions with respect to health

promotion. These are a large number of people. This coalition - this is what is

important, I think - is a collection of groups and organizations throughout the

Province who have come together with a common vision. They all have one purpose

in mind, it is to improve the status of health to the people in their respective

regions. A large number of volunteers, community-based organizations, are coming

together collectively, focusing on improving the health status of the people. We

are committed, as a government, as outlined in this Speech from the Throne, to

improving the health status of the population.

I just want to quote, as we focus on our children, "If we can support

our young people eating well and exercising regularly, we as a society will be

healthier, hardier, and happier."

Mr. Chairman, that is the kind of population that we want to be in fifteen or

twenty years time. It is not going to change overnight, I say. It is going to be

a gradual process but it requires a commitment today, it requires a government

with a vision and a strong understanding of what the future should look like.

That is what is this Speech from the Throne reflects, Mr. Chairman, it reflects

a government that has a vision and an understanding of what the future of health

services should look like.

A couple of other things I think are important to recognize in here, Mr.

Chairman. We have made - as I just said a moment ago, as we talked about the

coalitions that existed. Our government is committed to - last year we put in

some $1 million into community-based grants to mobilize volunteers in this

Province to become supporters of our health system, providers of health

services. We have a large network of community-based organizations volunteering

their time and effort to improving the health status of our people.

CHAIR: Order, please!

I remind the hon. Member for Trinity North that his time has expired.

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Chairman, I want to commend government for having

introduced that, or at least read into the record, the Speech from the Throne on

Monday that reflects a clear vision that at least all members on this side of

the House have wholeheartedly supported, because it reflects a strong vision for

a strong population (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

CHAIR: The hon. the

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