Manitoba Hansard — 25 November 2019 (Sitting 5, 42nd Legislature, 2nd Session)

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Second Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXIV No. 5 - 1:30 p.m., Monday, November 25, 2019 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ADAMS, Danielle Thompson NDP ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib.

GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott Assiniboia PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MOSES, Jamie St.

Vital NDP MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REYES, Jon Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron, Hon. Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon.

Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC

111 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Monday, November 25, 2019 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Madam Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom and know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen. Please be seated.

Speaker's Statement Madam Speaker: I have a brief statement for the House. I am advised that during oral questions on Friday, November 22nd, 2019, questions were asked and answered about the tabling of the Estimates of revenue for the Province. I would like to remind the House that this issue has been taken under advisement by the Speaker as a matter of privilege and, as such, it is not to be raised in the House until the Speaker has returned with a ruling. I thank all honourable members in advance for their co-operation in refraining from raising the issue until this ruling has been delivered.

ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 7–The Employment Standards Code Amendment Act (Leave for Victims of Interpersonal Violence) Hon. Cathy Cox (Minister responsible for the Status of Women ): Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Minister of Agriculture and Resource Development (Mr. Pedersen), that Bill 7, The Employment Standards Code Amendment Act (Leave for Victims of Interpersonal Violence), be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mrs. Cox: I am pleased to introduce Bill 7, The Employment Standards Code Amendment Act (Leave for Victims of Interpersonal Violence).

This proposal will amend the Employment Standards Code to expand eligibility for the existing domestic violence leave entitlement to also in clude employees who are victims of sexual violence or stalking, regardless of whether or not they have an existing relationship with the perpetrator. The changes we–will also allow employees to take the leave if their child or an adult under their care and control is a victim of domestic violence, sexual violence or stalking. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Committee reports? TABLING OF REPORTS Hon.

Cliff Cullen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I am pleased to table the following reports.

(1) Pursuant to The Statutes and Regulations Act, a copy of each regulation registered under that act after the last regulation tabled in this House and more than 14 days before the commencement of this session; and (2) the 48th Annual Report for the Manitoba Law Reform Commission for the fiscal year 2018-19. MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Madam Speaker: The honourable Minister of Families–and I would indicate that the required 90 minutes notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accordance with rule 26(2). Would the honourable minister please proceed with her statement.

Winnipeg Blue Bombers Grey Cup Champions Hon. Heather Stefanson (Deputy Premier): Madam Speaker, I rise today to congratulate and pay tribute to an organization loved by all Manitobans, an organi - zation that has been part of the fabric and the culture of our community and province for longer than most have been alive, an organization with a glorious history that is even more glorious today. Madam Speaker, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers are Grey Cup champions once again. Yesterday's decisive

112 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 win over the Hamilton Tiger -Cats left no doubt that our Blue Bombers are the CFL's best team. It left no doubt that this year's Blue Bombers will forever rank among the best teams in CFL history. I join our fellow Manitobans in congratulating the players, the coaches, the management and the staff of the Winnipeg Football Club. We are so proud of you and what you have worked so hard to accomplish.

I congratulate all of the Blue Bomber fans here in Manitoba and around the world, fans who have given their hearts to their beloved Blue Bombers, season after season, with the unshakeable faith that this day would come again. Madam Speaker, the 29-year drought is over, and the Grey Cup is here at last. Today is a great day to be a Winnipegger, it's a great day to be a Manitoban and, most of all, it's a great day to be a Winnipeg Blue Bombers fan. Go Blue. Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, a few hundred Winnipeggers and myself gathered at Portage and Main last night to chant O'Shea, O'Shea, O'Shea, O'Shea. And while some of the other revelers might be feeling a little under the weather today, judging by their performance last night, I'm happy to report that the only downside at our house was my 12- year-old saying that his throat was a little sore from all the yelling and cheering. Now, our football club had a tremendous performance last night, a dominating performance even.

It started with a strong start, forcing two quick turnovers, and we really knew that we hit our stride when Andrew Harris made that touchdown catch and landed right in the middle of the Ti -Cats logo, thus striking them in their hearts. But there was tons of other things to be proud of in addition to a hometown hero winning the most outstanding player award. We also had another hometown-raised Winnipegger, Nic Demski, played a very important role in that game.

In the end, you know, a final turnover with just 10 seconds left sealed the deal and ended the 29-year Grey Cup drought for Winnipeg, and of course we're all super happy. But it seems that, in addition to bringing about an end to that three -decade-long quest for another championship, that this victory last night was about something more. Lately, in Winnipeg, in Manitoba, sometimes it feels as though there's not a lot to cheer for, but finally our football club delivered and gave us something all to be proud of. I remember the last Grey Cup parade. Now I'm happy our kids will get to see the same thing.

Go, Blue Bombers. Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): Madam Speaker, I ask for leave in and –speak in response to the minister's statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the ministerial statement? [Agreed] Mr. Lamont: It is a distinct honour and a privilege to rise today to congratulate the Winnipeg Blue Bombers on their Grey Cup triumph in Calgary last night. It was a beautif ul game that brought us together as Manitobans and as Canadians. As so often happens, people flocked to Portage and Main in celebration.

Mayor Bowman may well wonder where all those people were during the referendum on opening it up. It was a clear win an d a clean win. It was impossible not to be moved by the players in their joy. And, Madam Speaker, we know that no one has been waiting for this longer than Blue Bomber fans, and one Bomber fan in particular, Chris Matthew, who in 2001 made a solemn pledge that he would not wear pants again until the Bombers won the cup. * (13:40) Madam Speaker, we live in a word–world where people are fickle, where they don't keep their word, where vows and oaths seem to be worth less than they used to be.

That is why Chris Matthew's integrity and uncompromising refusal to wear pants seems as inspiring and pure as it is hilarious. Because, Madam Speaker, beyond the suffering and patience of a truly extraordinary Bomber fan like Chris Matthew is the next- level patience of his wife Darla. She stood next to him, though she acknowledged that she knew he was an idiot. He stood next to her in front of a stadium full of screaming fans pulling on a pair of '90s-era zebra-striped Zubaz looking like a man who has truly forgotten to put on pants.

Darla said she would not have chosen those because she actually knew something about fashion. Those are horrible, she told an interviewer. When pressed further about his dedication, she said: He's such a wonderful man, you pick your battles and that wasn't one of them.

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 113 Madam Speaker, this was more than a championship game. It was a true Manitoban love story. To the Bombers, to Chris and Darla, to everyone, thank you for making a great moment even greater. Merci. Madam Speaker: Further ministerial statements? The honourable Minister of Health–and I would indicate that the required 90 minutes notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accordance with our rule 26(2). Would the honourable minister please proceed with his statement. Substance Use and Addictions Awareness Week Hon.

Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): Madam Speaker, substance use and addiction is a topic of concern to all Manitobans. It is important to acknowledge and openly discuss substance use and addictions in our communities. We know it can be a difficult topic for people to discuss, but talking about substance use and addiction raises awareness. It provides opportunity to challenge commonly held misconceptions and reduce stigma. We recognize the i mportance of raising awareness and reducing stigma by proclaiming substance use and addictions week.

In the last seven weeks, our government has committed more than $20 million toward 12 initiatives that will improve mental health and addictions servic es throughout the province. This morning we announced plans to add 100 supportive recovery beds to the health system in urban and rural areas to expand mental health and addictions services for all Manitobans. This is just one of the ways in which we are improving mental health and addictions services based on recommendations made in the VIRGO report, the Illicit Drug Task Force report, as well as our Safer Streets, Safer Lives Action Plan.

Additional investments include more than $4.2 million over three years in a two-phase project at Health Sciences Centre to enhance access to urgent and non- urgent mental health assessments and treatment for children and youth; nearly $2.4 million over three years to expand walk -in mental health services and specialized trauma counselling; $3-million investment for improved mental health services and programs for children and youth with funds provided to the NorWest Youth Hub, Project 11, and allocated to the distribution of Thrival Kits to young students across the prov ince; $4.2-million investment in 11 additional flexible - length with drawal management beds added in Winnipeg and Brandon to allow patients the necessary time it takes to withdraw from dangerous drugs.

Manitoba Substance Use and Addictions Awareness Week acknowledges the harms of problematic substance use and its impacts on the lives of Manitobans. Recovery is important to those impacted as well as to caregivers, family, friends and community. Recovery is possible when family and friends are engaged. I en courage all members of the House to learn more about and become more aware of substance use and addiction. Mrs. Bernadette Smith (Point Douglas): Addiction is a societal issue. It affects entire families and it crosses all generational, gender, racial and class lines.

We recognize Substance Use and Addictions Awareness Week in an attempt to raise awareness about the use of harmful substances withi n our communities. Manitobans know the harm of substance use and addictions. A dramatic rise in crystal meth use, swiftly followed by a fentanyl crisis, has left too many Manitobans suffering. In 2018 alone, meth- related hospital visits increased by 1,200 per cent. However, we cannot forget that these numbers reflect people's lives, people's loved ones and valuable members of our communities. Actions need to be taken to protect them.

This week initiates our opportunity to formulate solutions which can enhance the health and safety of all members in our society. Manitobans with addictions and their families are asking for help. Government has a duty to help answer that call with investments in treatment, including mental health and stronger social support s, including timely access to health and social services which meet the unique needs of those struggling. Also, investments in long-term supports for early addiction intervention and prevention are urgently needed.

We need to remove the stigma around addictions by creating healthy and inclusive communities that are given the resources to identify and intervene in mental health and addictions early. We also need to address

114 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 root 'crauses' like poverty, which intersects with addictions by investing in housing, employment supports and keeping our families together. Addictions can have far-reaching and devastating effects on families, which is why we need to take vital steps to expand services to Manitobans. The health and well -being of Manitobans needs to be our first priority. Manitobans–Manitoba must make real invest - ments in addictions services and root causes so all Manitobans can get on a journey to recovery.

From our caucus, we thank you; we say thank you to all of those front -line workers that are sup porting our families through this crisis. Miigwech. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I request leave to speak to the minister's statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the ministerial statement? [Agreed] Mr. Gerrard: Madam Speaker, it is imperative that there be greater awareness of addictions and substance use and its impact on people in Manitoba, and that, of course, is why this Substance Use and Addictions Awareness Week is so important.

While it is good that the government is moving to include such awareness in the K-to-12 curriculum, it is disappointing that the government took three and a half years after it was first elected to act. All Manitobans need to understand the negative impact of poverty, of bullying and of trauma on young people so that we can work to reduce these impacts and reduce the subsequent addictions and substance use. Outcome measures are needed, including the results of effects–efforts at prevention and treatment at various centres and communities around Manitoba.

I hope the government will ensure such data is available so we can better understand what is working and what is not. We still have a long way to go to ensure that people with addictions and substance use issues can get effective help quickly when they need it and that there is seamless support from intake through to transitioning into the community to achieve a productive life. It is disappointing that one of the successful front-line organizations, Morberg House, is not supported by this provincial government even though it has a track record of success.

Madam Speaker, Liberals will continue to push for effective and accountable action to address the crisis that we have in Manitoba at the moment and to decrease the extent of substance use and addictions in our province. Thank you. Merci. Miigwech. Madam Speaker: Further ministerial statements? The honourable Minister for Sport, Culture and Heritage–and I would indicate that the required 90 minutes notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accordance with our rule 26(2). Would the honourable minister please proceed with her statement. Domestic Violence Awareness Month Hon.

Cathy Cox (Minister responsible for the Status of Women): Madam Speaker, I am honoured to rise today to recognize Domestic Violence Awareness Month and the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women. Earlier this month I was honoured to visit the North End Women's Centre to proclaim Novembe r as Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Our government recognizes we cannot work alone to end domestic violence; community organizations and front-line workers are the heart of eliminating violence against women.

Just weeks ago I joined with community members from the North End Women's Centre, the West Central Women's Resource Centre, the Laurel Centre and James Favel of the Bear Clan Patrol where we were unanimous in recognizing we must take a collaborative approach to end domestic violence. And we are joined today by some of these very dedicated community members and front -line workers in the gallery. Madam Speaker, domestic violence does not discriminate.

Like mental illness, it affects everyone from all walks of life, regardless of their age, gender, ability, culture, religion, financial status, profession or sexual orientation. * (13:50) Individuals, communities and governments must come together, side by side, hand in hand, to end family violence. The devastating effects of violence impact everyone, Madam Speaker. Women, men and children and families all across our province are affected each and every year.

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 115 Today is International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women and the beginning of the 16 Days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence. The impacts of gender -based violence on Manitoba's–on Manitobans are far -reaching. It can affect victims' short - and long-term physical health, their psychological and mental health, their relationships, their ability to work or continue their education. It may lead to poverty or homelessness, and we know it will have ripple effects on families and communities.

Our government is committed to preventing gender-based violence, and as the Minister respon- sible for Status of Women, I am proud to c hair the Gender-Based Violence Committee of Cabinet. My Cabinet colleagues and I are focused on a whole- of- government approach to addressing gender-based and domestic violence. Our government has invested in more shelter beds for survivors of domestic abuse and better crisis lines. And a few weeks ago, I was pleased to announce our government's $2.4- million investment to expand mental health services and specialized trauma coun - selling for women.

The executive director of Klinic called this the largest s ingle investment in our counselling services in decades. Madam Speaker, our government is collaborating with communities to break down silos and improve outcomes, and I encourage all Manitobans to talk about domestic and gender-based violence with your friends, colleagues and family members. Let's support one another and create an atmosphere where individuals never suffer in silence. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

I ask for leave to have the names of our very dedicated front -line workers, who are with me today in the Chamber, included in Hansard: Stephanie Klassen, Nicole Chammartin, Lorie English, Denise MacDonald, Nadine Sookermany and Cynthia Drebot. Thank you for your service. Madam Speaker: I would indicate that the names of those guests are included in Hansard, as they were also included in the minister's comments. Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St.

Johns): Today marks the start of the Domestic Violence Awareness Month, alongside the start of 16 Days of Activism Against Gender-Based Violence on this International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women. This year's 16 Days of Activism theme is Orange The World: Generation Equality Stands Against Rape where the United Nations calls on all levels of government, NGOs, community organizations and citizens to stand against rape. It doesn't matter what part of the world we live in, Madam Speaker, women and girls are raped at alarming and unacceptable rates; in some instances, every couple of minutes.

Some research has found up to 70 per cent of women and girls worldwide are sexually assaulted or raped. Canada is no different, where indigenous, black, trans and LGBTTQ2S women and girls are dis - proportionately and exponentially more vulnerable to gender-based violence, including rape and murder. These next 16 Days of Activism are opportunities for everyone to organize, educate, advocate, resist against gender -based violence through a range of activities.

I'm so proud of the many women -led, women - centred organizations organizing activities for 16 Days of Activism, including Chantal Lacoste with Tillie and True, who has established a public aware- ness campaign–social media campaign with allies and leaders, including Mayor Brian Bowman and myself, launched only this morning. I'm proud to continue to support women-led agency all across Manitoba and Canada. Tonight at 6 p.m., Madam Speaker, the City of Winnipeg and Mayor Brian Bowman will be lighting up the Winnipeg sign at The Forks in orange in solidarity with the 16 Days of Activism.

Following The Forks, CUPE's Vivienne Ho is organizing tonight's Take Back the Night rally at the University of Winnipeg, starting at 7 p.m. I encourage everyone to attend these events or to organize your own activities in your own community across Manitoba or Canada in show–in support of and standing with survivors of rape and against gender - based violence. Ending violence against women and girls and trans persons is no easy task, Madam Speaker.

However, raising awareness, amplifying the voices of victims and survivors and empowering 'bystanderds' to speak up, we can all take those first critical steps in addressing this critical issue. I look forward to seeing everyone this evening, Madam Speaker. Miigwech.

116 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 Ms. Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Madam Speaker, I ask for leave to to speak in response to the minister's statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the ministerial statement? [Agreed] Ms. Lamoureux: Madam Speaker, November marks Domestic Violence Awareness Month, which here in Manitob a is very important as we maintain the second-highest police -reported intimate partner violence of all the provinces: double the national rate.

In 2015, almost 92,000 people in Canada were victims of intimate partner violence, representing just over a quarter of all victims of police-reported violent crime. Violence has been at the forefront of many conversations recently in Manitoba. Even in 2019, we continue to see increased rates of violent crimes, many of which can be attributed to domestic violence. Madam Speaker, domestic violence wreaks havoc on families, especially women and children, and on the extended community. Understanding the cycle of abuse is the first step towards breaking it.

The intergenerational tendency of domestic violence makes it even more important that we develop effective methods for combating abusive behaviours. For those who have experienced or are expe- riencing domestic violence, you are not alone and there is help out there. Domestic violence doesn't hold any borders or boundaries. It is incumbent on everyone to speak out against domestic violence. Victims must be fully supported as they cope with the trauma that will be carried with them for the rest of their lives.

I urge all members of the Legislature to support those who need protection by investing in safe places, education and victim services. Thank you, Madam Speaker. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Richard Wozney Mr. Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): I stand, proud to be able to welcome a Winnipeg Blue Bomber–Hamilton Ti-Cat Grey Cup participant to the gallery today. Born in Elphinstone, growing up in Brandon and getting a scholarship to the University of North Dakota, all before joining the Winnipeg Football Club in 1965, Richard Wozney has served the game of football well.

Through his career as a Winnipeg Blue Bomber, No. 30, Rich Wozney –standing at five -seven, 180 pounds–primarily served as a punt kick returner, but was also talented enough to fill in for the majority of the positions on his team. The punt kick return position, back in the day before blocking was allowed on punts, was equated to making a living out of testing bullet proof vests and it was dubbed the suicide squad. Their job was to catch the football with a dozen 250-pound linemen bearing down on them, the –then hang on for dear life at the bottom of the ensuing pile of heaving flesh, bone and muscle.

All this for a mere annual compensation of $4,000. Rich Wozney was part of the 1965 Winnipeg Blue Bomber Grey Cup team that went head to head against the Hamilton Tiger -Cats. Unlike yesterday, the Bombers lost to the Tiger-Cats by a score of 22-16 in the Grey Cup game on November 27, 1965, falling short of winning the CFL's top prize 54 years ago. The game was informally dumbed the wind– dubbed the Wind Bowl because of windy conditions that day.

The CBC announcer called it the windiest Grey Cup game ever as wind gusts blasted off Lake Ontario. * (14:00) Madam Speaker, standing alongside his lovely wife, charming daughter Kendra, his wife Kathryn, colleagues of the Legislature, please help me congra- tulate the Wizard of Woz, Rich Wozney, on his successful football career. 1965 Grey Cup Roster. Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

Players: 23, Billy Cooper, FLB; 63, Wayne Dennis, DT; 44, Paul Desjardins, C; 71, Farrell Funston, OE; 53, Herb Gray, OG-DE, captain; 61, Roger Hamelin, DT; 22, Barrie Hansen, DHB; 32, Henry Janzen, DHB; 60, Monte Kiffin, OT-LB; 29, Leo Lewis, OHB; 26, Dennis Liebrecht, FB; 66, Mario Mariani, DE; 31, Al Miller, LB; 54, Phil Minnick, CLB; 21, Ken Nielsen, OE; 12, Brian Palmer, QB; 35, Art Perkins, FB; 64, Cornel Piper, OT; 77, Ernie Pitts, DHB; 11, Ken Ploen, QB; 27, Dave Raimey, OHB; 70, Norm Rauhaus, OE-DHB; 67, Frank Rigney, OT; 43, Paul Robson, LB-C; 58, Ted Rodosovich, OG; 56, Morley Rolhiser, OG; 72, Bob Taylor, DE; 14, Dick Thornton, DHB-QB; 55, Sherwyn Thorson, CLB; 24, Ed Ulmer, PT -DHB; 65, Norm Winton, PK -DT; 30, Dick Wozney, DHB.

Bud Grant, general manager and head coach; Terry Hind, team manager;

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 117 John Michaels, assistant coach; Neville Winograd, president; Joe Zaleski, assistant coach. Hamilton Tiger-Cats.

Players: 37, Mel Anthony, FB; 61, John Barrow, DT -OG, captain; 16, Willie Beathea, OHB; 44, Gene Ceppetelli, C-DT; 19, John Cimba, CLB; 24, Dick Cohee, O -DHB; 11, Frank Cosentino, QB; 28, John Counts, OHB; 75, Stan Crisson, OE; 63, Bill Danychuk, OG; 18, Tom Grant, FLB; 26, Garney Henley, D -OHB; 72, Steve Hmiel, DHB; 73, Zeno Karcz, CLB; 54, Ellison Kelly, OT; 14, Bob Krouse, DHB; 32, Bobby Kuntz, LB -FB; 50, Billy Ray Locklin, DE; 65, Marty Martinello, MG; 20, Gerry McDougall, OHB; 48, John Metras, C; 68, Angelo Mosca, D-OT; 60, Bronko Nagurski, OT; 15, Ted Page, DHB-CLB; 23, Herb Paterra, LB; 77, Hal Patterson, OE; 29, Jim Reynolds, CLB; 22, Don Sutherin, PK-DHB; 70, Dave Viti, D -OE; 52, Chuck Walton, OG; 39, Billy Wayte, DHB; 9, Joe Zuger, PT-QB.

Len Back, team manager; J.G. Gaudaur, president and general manager; Kelley Mote, assistant coach; Joe Restic, assistant coach; Ralph Sazio, head coach. Library and Community Centre Funding Mr. Mark Wasyliw (Fort Garry): Madam Speaker, Fort Garry has fallen on some hard times recently. We have lost our emergency room, our rehabilitation and physiotherapy clinic, our blood and medical test lab. The uncertainty of what's going to be cut next worries Fort Garry residents every day. One of the bright spots in south Winnipeg is the Fort Garry Public Library.

In 2014, the library was renovated to meet the demands of our growing community. It is only one of two libraries in the south end and the only one near the rapid transit line, and with programming for all ages, community gathering spaces, meeting rooms, computers, printing, in addition to many other services, the library is a hub of the community. The library is a safe space for students to study, for children to learn to read and for seniors to make connections. Today, the City of Winnipeg is facing some tough choices. With provincial operating grants frozen sin ce 2016, funding is not keeping up with inflation.

This has led to a loss in public services for Fort Garry residents, such as a reduction in free drop- in recreation programming and fewer open hours for Margaret Grant Pool. Families rely on these progra ms. For many, free programs are the only opportunity for children and their families to participate in recreational activities or to come together as a community. Because of this government's never -ending belt-tightening, the City of Winnipeg is now being forced to look at further cuts to public services during their current four-year budget process. This includes St.

Boniface fire hall, six indoor pools, three libraries– including the Fort Garry library–and many other cuts. In the past three years, the demand for library services has increased exponentially. Today, there's 80,000 more people in Winnipeg who own library cards than in 2016. Libraries and other public facilities are at the heart of our communities. Reckless cuts from this government have made uncertainty an everyday reality for public services in this province. I urge the government to seriously reflect on how its choices are affecting Manitoba families. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Mr.

Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): Madam Speaker, my apologies, I forgot to ask for leave to enter the names and numbers and positions of the roster and coaches from the 1965 Grey Cup to be entered into Hansard behind my statement. Madam Speaker: Is there leave to include those–that information in Hansard? [Agreed] First Nations and Red Cross Fall Storm Response Ms. Amanda Lathlin (The Pas-Kameesak): Today is the 45th day since First Nations leadership declared states of emergency following October's storm.

I would like to reiterate the gratitude that four esteemed members of this House have set on record for the generosity and commitment of countless people, and it's still impacting peoples' lives, still today. I am honoured that leadership of the Interlake Reserves Tribal Council and the Red Cross join us today: organizations that embody dedication, knowledge tempered by experience, humility and respect. Each emergency reminds us that we have an imperative to take action before, during and after. Representing Dauphin River, Jackhead, Lake St.

M artin, Little Saskatchewan, Peguis and Pinaymootang, the IRTC created the space necessary for all levels of government and every organization to come together in October. Over 10,000 individuals from 13 First Nations registered as evacuees. They were kep t safe, warm

118 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 and fed by this round- the-clock collaboration. A significant number of evacuees were displaced for 19 days. IRTC staff and 600 Red Cross volunteers welcomed help from Bear Clan, MKO's crisis response team and many others. Families encountered hotel room shortages, medical emergencies, racialized violence and denials of service. The need is great, not just beca use Hydro infrastructure was severely damaged, but because First Nations face inequity every day.

To acknowl - edge the expertise in the gallery, I propose they be invited to the table and given more than an advisory role with the EMO –an action in line with our praise, particularly as we know the flood risk continues to rise. Ekosi. Dauphin Fire Chief Cam Abrey Mr. Brad Michaleski (Dauphin): Madam Speaker, I acknowledge and congratulate Dauphin's fire chief, Cam Abrey, for being named 2019 Canadian Caree r Fire Chief of the Year. This national award recognizes men and women who not only promote fire services in Canada, but who also go above and beyond the expected job description of a fire chief.

Chief Abrey is Dauphin's first full -time career fire chief and was nominated for his dedication to his duties, his fire department, the safety of residents and for his involvement in the community. Chief Abrey recently completed a two -year term as president of the Manitoba Association of Fire Chiefs and has repre sented the association on the Province of Manitoba Building Standards Board. Cam also represented the Manitoba fire service on the national advisory council, and in 2012 he was presented with the Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal, which honours significant contributions and achievements by Canadians.

Chief Abrey and all the members of the fire department perform many volunteer duties, speak at schools and are active in promoting fire and life safety. Chief Abrey was born and raised in the Parkland and joined the Dauphin Fire Department in December 1999 as a paid- call firefighter. Cam worked towards being the first full- time employee and became Dauphin's first full-time fire chief in January 2011. Cam holds many provincial and national accreditations and uses his knowledge and experience to provide training courses throughout the region and the province.

Cam also serves as a Mountain View School Division trustee for 10 years. Madam Speaker, Chief Abrey is here today with his wife Darla and their sons Tyler and Kaden. Please join me in welcoming and congratulating Chief Cam Abrey for his outstanding national recognition and for his dedication to public safety and service in Manitoba and the Dauphin region. No Frills Opening in Kildonan-River East Hon. Cathy Cox (Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage): Madam Speaker, I am exceptionally thrilled to rise in the House today to welcome Stephen and his brand- new No Frills to our North Kildonan community.

For over a year, families living in northeast Winnipeg ex perienced near drought -like shopping conditions when their beloved Marketplace was shuttered by Federated Co-op in 2018. But just like our Winnipeg Blue Bombers, Madam Speaker, that drought has now ended, thanks to the establishment of Stephen's No Frills . Seniors, families and shoppers of all ages are elated to have once again an anchor grocery store located right in their River East–or Kildonan-River East community.

Madam Speaker, I first met Stephen during the recent provincial election when he stopped by to say hello and introduce himself, and what became immediately obvious was Stephen's genuine interest in our community and his desire to ensure that our senior population would be well served by his new grocery store. Stephen didn't compromise on construction. His store is state -of-the-art, with wide, accessible aisles, bright lighting and a modern checkout. And speaking on behalf of our entire community, I can confidently say it is a very welcome addition to our neighbour - hood.

On Friday, October 11th, Madam Speaker, I was proud to join Stephen and hundreds of anxious shoppers at the grand opening of his new No Frills. We enjoyed cake, free handouts, and Stephen even kicked it up a notch by presenting generous cheques to Siloam Mission and a very important seniors agency. Now, like many of us in the Chamber here, we love a good party, but when the lights went out, we were left a little perplexed, only to learn the ice storm knocked off the breakers and the power supply to the

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 119 mall and the surrounding area. The power returned later that day, and I'm sure, like most of us, the ice storm is a day Stephen would prefer to forget. Madam Speaker, I'm told that this is not the first time that Mother Nature threw a wrench into Stephen's entrepreneurial plans . Following the opening of his No Frills in High River, Alberta, high waters from the– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. Some Honourable Members: Leave. Madam Speaker: Is there leave to allow the member to complete her statement? [Agreed] Mrs.

Cox: Following the opening of his No Frills store in High River, Alberta, high waters from the 2013 flood infiltrated his store and also caused its closure. Stephen used this as an opportunity to again give back to his community by donating thousands of non-perishable food items to military families, homeless shelters and other needy charitable organizations. Madam Speaker, I would like to extend my sincere thanks to Stephen and his family for making the move to Manitoba and calling our neighbourhood his home. Stephen, we welcome you and your new No Frills to our Kildonan-River East neighbourhood.

Thank you. * (14:10) Introduction of Guests Madam Speaker: Prior to oral questions, we have some guests in the gallery that I would like to introduce to you. We have seated in the public gallery from River East Collegiate 30 grade 9 students under the direction of Irina Graeber, and this group is located in the constituency of the honourable member for Rossmere (Mr. Micklefield). On behalf of all members here, we welcome you to the Manitoba Legislature. ORAL QUESTIONS Addiction and Mental Health Portable Housing Benefit Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, I want to draw your attention to a program called the Portable Housing Benefit. Now, this is a relatively modest form of assistance. This supplement provides $200 for individuals living with mental health issues in the community and it supports some 600 people in Manitoba, many of whom are at risk of homelessness, and this benefit helps to stabilize their housing situation. Indeed, this would seem to be one of the investments in root causes that we were able to persuade the Pallister government to begin to consider in this very Chamber just last week.

That's why it's so surprising to learn –this week –that this government has cut this program. Why would the Pallister government cut the Portable Housing Benefit? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Minister of Families): I thank the Leader of the Opposition for the question. We as a government are committed to making life more affordable for all Manitobans. We're taking a common sense approach when it comes to the Portable Housing Benefit. The NDP h ad designed, Madam Speaker, a system where some individuals were receiving more than the total cost of their rent with the Portable Housing Benefit and Rent Assist combined.

So this is a shelter benefit and we want to make sure that the benefit goes towa rds paying for shelter for those who need it. That's why we are ensuring that we make this a more equitable approach to providing more housing benefits to more Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr.

Kinew: Madam Speaker, I would thank the minister for confirming that the government has indeed cut the Portable Housing Benefit program, but any sort of good vibes from this side would stop right there because we simply dispute the cut and the need for this government to do so. Again, in the midst of an addictions and mental health crisis that ministers from this government rose earlier today to call attention to, this government is cutting a program that helps people who are housing-insecure to be able to continue living in the community as they seek assistance for their mental health needs.

120 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 Now, we've all heard from the experts who say that we need a Housing First approach which gives people the stability of having a place to stay so that they can then access mental health supports and addictions resources in the community. So, again, the question for the minister is: Why in the midst of our current situation has this government cut the Portable Housing Benefit? Mrs. Stefanson: Well, the Leader of the Opposition is just simply wrong in his

preamble to his question. What I did say is that we're providing more benefits to more Manitobans when it comes to affordability of housing. We are offering Rent Assist to more than 3,000 more Manitobans than did– under the previous NDP government. But we do say that last week we also launched consultations for a new support program for Manitobans with disabilities, Madam Speaker, which will help us create a made- in-Manitoba program that can improve the quality of life for people with severe and prolonged disabilities. So we're providing more benefits for more individuals in a more equitable way, Madam Speaker.

Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Mr. Kinew: Except, of course, Madam Speaker, when they're not. There are 600 people who benefitted from this program, people in some cases with some very complex and high-stakes mental health issues, people who live in constituencies right across the province. But, again, this is not a hugely expensive program in the grand scheme of things.

We're talking about $200 a month which could mean the difference between somebody having a housing situation or somebody not–and, again, these are folks who need stability as they seek a way to address their mental health issues. This is a situation where this government is cutting supports for some of the most vulnerable in our communities, and, again, there's nothing more than talking points to explain the reason why. Will the minister commit today to reversing the cut to the Portable Housing Benefit? Mrs.

Stefanson: Committed to today, Madam Speaker, is providing more benefits to more Manitobans who need those shelter benefits. This is a shelter benefit and we want to make sure that the benefit goes towards paying for shelter for those who need it. This change will make Portable Housing Benefit more equitable and effective for Manitobans who need it. Again, we are offering more –we're increasing non-EI Rent Assist by more than 150 per cent and providing it to more than 3,000 more Manitobans than the NDP ever did.

We're listening to Manitobans with disabilities through consultations through our province and we want to make sure that Manitobans with disabilities get the support that they need in a dignified manner. We make–we are making the changes to ensure that that happens. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a new question. Crime Increase in Manitoba Short- and Long-Term Solutions Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, there was another senseless act of violence in our province over the weekend. This one took place in a parking lot.

Now, certainly, our thoughts are with the victim– and, again, even bystanders I heard from over the weekend were traumatized, essentially, by having witnessed this event, and it certainly does follow on weeks of similar such acts of senseless violence in our city. Now, we have said that this government ought to be able to do two things at once: again, first, be able to provide security in the immediate vicinity of such an incident; but (2), be able to invest in the root causes so that we address the long-term situation that creates these sorts of incidents.

What can the government tell us that they are doing new this week to respond to the situation to provide reassurance to Manitobans on both of those counts? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I certainly appreciate the questi on on public safety. We as a government take public safety very seriously here in Manitoba. That is why we introduced a Policing and Public Safety Strategy a number of months ago. Everything we do around–is around that particular strategy. There's specif ic outcomes there– eight pillars we're looking at–and every program and

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 121 policy that we design and bring forward is designed to adhere to that particular strategy and, Madam Speaker, we are making improvements there. And I will refer to our Safer Streets, Safer Lives Action Plan. Hopefully the member will take time to read that; and it talks about education, it talks about treatment and it also talks about enforcement. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Call for Public Safety Summit Mr.

Kinew: Unfortunately, Madam Speaker, what we haven't heard as much about from this government is including the community in the design and delivery of these programs. Again, we do need to have a secure situation to prevent something like this from happening, but we also need to address the societal conditions in the community so that we can prevent the next generation of young people from falling down this negative path.

Now, we've heard from many organizations–such as Ma Mawi, such as Bear Clan –who are already doing this important work in the community, both inside the city of Winnipeg and right across the province of Manitoba. But we're still waiting confirmation from this government that they'd be willing to entertain supporting these organizations and helping them expand the scope of their operations so that they could help young people so much more.

To that end, will this minister commit today to convening a summit that would bring together business, community organizations, labour, law enforcement and the Province to begin to address this issue? Mr. Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, I'm not sure where the member opposite was over the last couple of weeks because we've already said we will work closely with our pol ice services, our municipal stakeholders, the retail markets and labour. We will bring those people together. He talks about a one -day summit.

Madam Speaker, a one -day summit will not address the complex issues that Manitobans are facing when it comes to public safety. That's why we're engaging with these individuals. We're engaging with these companies as well, and we will continue to dialogue with those particular individuals and corporations, and including labour. Madam Speaker, one of the key organiz ations in the communities are community mobilization hubs.

We as a government take these community organiza- tions as a high priority and we are continuing to fund those on a local level so that at-risk people can be dealt with. * (14:20) Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Funding to Municipalities Mr. Kinew: Well, Madam Speaker, in order for a government to be able to respond both immediately with security and in the longer term by addressing root causes, there needs to be adequate support for our municipalities to be able to deliver services at the local level.

However, under this government we have seen freezes and cuts to funding for municipalities. Now put at risk, as elucidated earlier, are not just community libraries and community centres, which would help keep young people on a positive path as they grow up here in the city, but, again, we are now seeing the City of Winnipeg and others contemplate cuts to policing–again, as a result of this government's cuts and freezes to municipal funding.

With this situation in mind and with the greater societal conditions at stake, will this government simply commit to ending the freezes and stopping the cuts when it comes to municipalities in Manitoba? Mr. Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, the member opposite is just wrong. We are working with community organizations including municipalities. I referenced the community mobilization hubs–very important in assessing at-risk people. We're obviously involved at the local level in terms of community reintegration programs and restorative justice.

Certainly, through Victim Services alone –this is only one department of government through Justice. I know there's many other departments working at – with municipalities to fund various agencies. Justice alone, we're funding Aurora family treatment. We're funding the Brandon Police Service. We're funding Candace House. We're funding Age and Opportunity throughout Winnipeg. We're funding the North End Women's Centre. We're also funding other organiza - tions all across our province. So the funding is flowing to these very worth - while agencies.

122 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 Highway Snow Clearing Request Not to Privatize Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): Now, last year we raised our concern that the Pallister government was considering privatizing snow-clearing operations and other core government functions for highways and water management in the province.

Well, they've gone so far now as to hire an external consultant as part of those plans, and it's very clear that the government is moving full speed ahead to privatize and outsource these important government functions, including snow removal across the province at a time when winter storms are an issue. Will the minister withdraw his plans to privatize highway snow-clearing operations in Manitoba? Hon.

Ron Schuler (Minister of Infrastructure): One of the things that the people of Manitoba did twice–two largest back -to-back majorities –is they elected a government that knows how to do smart shopping and, Madam Speaker, that's what we're going to do and that's what we're going to deliver on. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Concordia, on a supplementary question. Mr. Wiebe: Well, Madam Speaker, we know that when storms hit, Manitobans deserve their roads to be cleared in a timely fashion and they deserve a high standard of service. But we know that in other jurisdictions all too often corners get cut.

The results are poor service and less safety for Manitobans, and we know that this is the wrong approach. Why is the minister pursuing a course of action when it has been a disaster in other jurisdictions that have gone down that path? Mr. Schuler: Well, Madam Speaker, if there's one thing that Manitoba Infrastructure does well, it delivers on snow removal. In fact, on the Thanksgiving weekend the snow plows were out. They were out working whenever it was safe to do so.

As stated earlier, we'd also like to thank all of our partners who participated in that whole storm, in particular the RCMP, who were very, very good at helping Manitoba Infrastructure with the snow - clearing process, and we're very proud of the work being done. We're also going to be smart shoppers. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Concordia, on a final supplementary. Mr. Wiebe: On one hand, Madam Speaker, the minister praises the public service, while at the other side he privatizes more and mor e services.

Over half a dozen requests for proposals have now been added to the MERX system in just the last few days. They contract out road- clearing services in northern Manitoba and in the Interlake, Madam Speaker. We know that in other provinces these exact kind of arrangements have been absolutely disastrous. Cleanups after storms have taken much longer and the roads were less safe. That's what the Auditor General in Ontario found in reviewing similar arrangements in Ontario. We know this is coming to Manitoba. Why won't the minister stop this cut to such an important service in Manitoba? Mr.

Schuler: Well, Madam Speaker, there you see the difference on display. Our government is not a government that is bound by ideology –which you've seen the memb er for Concordia, he only has one ideology; he won't look at anything different. Yes, Madam Speaker, we are continuously going out to see if we are getting the best value for Manitobans, and above all safety comes first. We're going to continue to be smart shoppers, something that lacked under the last 17 NDP years. Where they went sometimes to the highest dollar, Madam Speaker, we're always going to look for the best value for Manitobans.

Dynacare Labs Winnipeg Closures MLA Uzoma Asagwara (Union Station): Madam Speaker, the Pallister government contracted laboratory services to Dynacare. They're now closing half of the labs in the city. The result will be less convenient access, especially for those with mobility challenges. That's what th ose with disabilities are saying. That's what primary -care physicians are saying. They say these changes will present a large obstacle to many Manitobans. Will the minister reconsider the closure of half of Winnipeg's labs? Hon.

Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): Madam Speaker, some members of the House have not been here as long, so this will offer an opportunity for me to provide a very short history lesson.

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 123 The consolidation of laboratory services in Manitoba has been going on for years and began under the NDP. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. The honourable member for Union Station, on a supplementary question. MLA Asagwara: Madam Speaker, cutting half the labs in the city means real challenges to many Manitobans. Magnus Kincaid has impaired hearing and sight. He has to change–he has to plan his transit days well in advance and work out support staff to accompany him. To him, these lab closures will require a full day of planning and relying on others.

He questions these closures as only about saving money. Will the minister reconsider plans to close labs across the city? Mr. Friesen: Madam Speaker, to be clear, the NDP didn't think twice about closing lab services in Manitoba–they presided over the effort. But let us be clear about what this really is. Dynacare has been acquiring labs across Manitoba, and what the member is not mentioning is that Dynacare is in the process of opening four supersite labs with extended hours, increased actual accessi - bility for all people as well as enhanced services.

These are good investments that are getting better opportunity and better access to lab services for so many Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Union Station, on a final supplementary. MLA Asa gwara: Madam Speaker, the root of the issue is one of mobility. These changes place a real burden on many Manitobans. Family physician Dr. Michael Hochman explains that this change creates unnecessary obstacles to elderly patients and patients with disab ilities.

He worries that some patients simply won't get tests done–the tests done that they need to if they must travel further distances and make further travel arrangements in order to access them. It means a sicker population that is not getting the care that they need. Four supersite labs doesn't change the fact –it actually creates the fact that people will have to travel further distances. It creates increased barriers for folks accessing what they need. Will the minister reconsider his plans for Dynacare? Mr. Friesen: Madam Speaker, lets put this issue into context.

Calgary is twice the size of Winnipeg and has 18 laboratory and collection sites; Saskatoon has fine– five; Regina has five; Edmonton has 24; and after the consolidation that will take place plus the supersite labs with more accessibility and better services Winnipeg will have 32 labs. This is ideological. We're about results; they're about ideology. [interjection] * (14:30) Madam Speaker: Order. Environmental Organizations Provincial Funding Concerns Ms.

Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): Madam Speaker, we are facing a climate emergency and now is not the time to make cuts to the very organizations that help Manitobans do our part to fight climate change. Fifty per cent of the annual funding for the Manitoba Green Action Centre has been cut, and they were notified seven months into the fiscal year. Now they are forced to reduce their programming, lay off staff. And these programs are there to help educate Manitobans on sustainable, safe and active transportation, which has a long- term impact on the health of Manitobans and on our environment.

Why is the minister cutting funding to environ- mental organizations? Hon. Jeff Wharton (Acting Minister of Conservation and Climate): Certainly, I'm pleased to get up and answer a question on the environment, considering what the NDP lacked to do in their 17 years, Madam Speaker, in government. Essentially, we, of course, as government, are working with all our stakeholders, Madam Speaker, and Manitoba is committed to taking –obviously, we are committed to action on our climate concerns. We'll get it right. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Wolseley, on a supplementary question. Ms.

Naylor: The Green Action Centre isn't the only ones who have fallen victim to the minister's cuts. The Manitoba Eco-Network has lost their annual funding that they have received for 20 years. Manitoba has seen the devastating effects of climate change this year, from droughts to flooding.

124 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 The Manitoba Eco -Network has been a leader on research and disseminating accurate scientific information on environmental issues. Manitoba cannot afford a government that neglects to take the climate crisis seriously. Will the minister reverse the cuts and adequately fund environmental organizations today? Mr. Wharton: The department will launch and has– will be launching a centralized grant portal with Municipal Relations, Madam Speaker, and Sport, Culture and Heritage, for all organizations to apply – one portal.

Madam Speaker, we know that as we transition the new gran t portal for –some NGOs, actually, will see an increase in funding. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Wolseley, on a final supplementary. Ms. Naylor: Madam Speaker, we have seen time and time again that the Pallister government uses program changes to mask its cuts. These funding cuts are another example of the government's lack of action on tackling greenhouse gas emissions or following the science on climate change. Manitoba environmental NGOs cannot do their part and achieve output -based results i f they do not have the funding they need.

Will the minister reverse these cuts to important environmental organizations? Will she do so today? Mr. Wharton: Under the NDP –the NDP never met one climate change, not one, Madam Speaker – 17 years. Matter of fact, on the back of a napkin was their climate plan. We know the challenges that we have with our lakes and Lake Winnipeg and our streams. Where their–the NDP essentially didn't have any– any–response to climate at the time, and now, now they're talking climate. The NDP never had a climate plan.

The NDP government is just for the spending– of sake of spending –real, meaningful, measurable contributions by NGOs on climate plan. Madam Speaker, where they got it wrong, we'll get it right. Foster-Care Homes and Maintenance Rates Auditor General's Recommendations Ms. Amanda Lathlin (The Pas -Kameesak): The Auditor General's report into foster care raises real concerns about the care of our province's most vulnerable. Homes are being licensed despite noncompliance. Home compliance visits are rare and unannounced visits are not required.

Dozens of people are living in foster -care homes but don't have the necessary background checks, including criminal record checks. Why has the Pallister government not addresse d these serious issues? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Minister of Families): The member opposite will remember that imme - diately upon hearing of what had happened in–under B & L, we did an overall review to ensure that –the safety and well -being of those children, and so that was phase 1 of that review. The second phase was also to ensure any systemic problems.

So many of the systemic problems that we released in our review on Friday, along with the OAG, the office of the Auditor General, releasing their review on B & L, many of those there were some commonalities in some of the systemic problems. We've already taken various measures to ensure that we've addressed those issues. We'll work closely with those people in the communities as well as we'll look at the–at further of what the Auditor General brought forward in the review and we'll make those changes. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for The Pas-Kameesak, on a supplementary question. Ms.

Lathlin: In the audit, the department, CFS authorities and agency officials all expressed concerns that the current basic foster care maintenance rates do not adequately compensate foster parents for the costs of caring for our children. This issue was raised as a key risk to the system. Unfortunately, the way the Pallister government has structured block funding means agencies face impossible choices without the funds to adequately fund foster care. Will the minister address this issue as recom- mended by the auditor? Mrs.

Stefanson: Well, the auditor–the audit from the Auditor General reflects a snapshot in time, and we know that we have a changing landscape before us with changes to the federal government legislation and C-92, Madam Speaker. And so we understand the federal government is looking to proclaim that legislation on January 1st of next year with very–with absolutely no consultation or discussions with the provinces, as well.

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 125 We know that, certainly, child welfare is under the purview of the provinces and so we are looking to the federal government to see what it will look like moving forward with respect to funding, and I'll wait to provide more information after the next question. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for The Pas-Kameesak, on a final supplementary. Ms. Lathlin: On Friday the Auditor General explained that these matters have been under consideration for several years and that government had opportunity to address them. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened.

The breakdown of care at B & L is just one example of a system facing serious problems. Placements at B & L continued earlier this year, but the minister has provided no evidence that the agency is complying with the new requirements. With their review released, what is the pla n to implement the recommendations? Mrs.

Stefanson: Well, the member opposite should know that back in 2017 we initiated a pilot project on single-envelope funding, and we received some very positive results as a result of that single -envelope funding resulting in an 18 per cent reduction in the number of kids in care and those participating agencies. We have also been quite successful at reducing the number of kids in care.

Last year, for the first time in 15 years we saw a reduction in the number of ki ds in care, and I'm pleased to report that once again this year we found a reduction as well for a 4.3 per cent reduction overall to the number of kids in care in our province. We are about getting real results for Manitoba children and families. We will take no lessons from members opposite, who left us with an extreme mess when it comes to the child- welfare system in our province. Heavy Metal Recycling Municipal Zoning Concerns Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): I've been approached by many St.

Boniface residents about the Province's decision to approve a licence for a scrap metal dealer which in the past has been ordered to cease activities because municipal zoning didn't allow their activities next to a residential area. I table documents showing residents' concerns of Rakowski Recycling operations in their neighbourhood for various reasons. Among the activities that are prohibited by zoning at this site is the storage and disposal of lead batteries, but the provincial licence explicitly grants permission to handle lead batteries.

The former minister promised this licence would not be granted so long as zoning didn't change. The zoning hasn't changed. Why is this government granting permits for heavy industrial activity right next to residential areas? Hon. Jeff Wharton (Acting Minister of Conservation and Climate): I thank the member opposite for the question. Appeals of Environmental Act licensing may be made within 30 days, Madam Speaker, of the licensing decisions. All grounds for appeals will be carefully considered in accordance to the appeal provisions of The Environmental Act. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St.

Boniface, on a supplementary question. Air Quality Testing St. Boniface Area Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): There have been repeated tests that show elevated levels of lead and other metals in the soil in St. Boniface neighbourhoods, as well as across Winnipeg in Point Douglas and Notre Dame. Successive governments knew about the problem and did nothing. * (14:40) The department also promised air testing in St. Boniface. That's because residents say they have been able to smell and even taste metal in the air. That air monitor has now disappeared from the government's website.

This –do–was–had been promised for months. Is the minister going to step up and provide proper air testing in St. Boniface where their predecessor failed? Hon. Jeff Wharton (Acting Minister of Conservation and Climate): And I understand the staff from the department visited the site on t he day of–the licence was issued, Madam Speaker, and–to go over some of the conditions set within the licence and ensure compliance. It sounds like we're not ignoring anything.

126 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 Weston School Area Report Regarding Lead Levels Ms. Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): The Minister of Health shared with us in Estimates that there was cover-up when it came to the public release of lead levels in soil in the Weston School area. I'm curious as to why the minister decided to share this information years after the alleged cover-up took place. The Minister of Health also said in Estimates that there is no dangerous level in this area.

Is the minister going to continue the cover -up or will this government take action and call for an investigation into what happened so that, in the future, governments can be better held to account? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): Madam Speaker, to be clear, there was a cover -up when it came to the lead levels in soil: by the NDP government. There was a website devised to give people information that was never allowed to go live. There were discussions at Cabinet. Members of that side were complicit in these things and our government took action.

An Honourable Member: Name them. Mr. Friesen: We'd be happy to name those members. Our government took action; our government went back to ask for more testing. It declared to individuals what was going on. We take the safety of Manitobans very–as a primary point of care, but that NDP party tried to cover up the facts. Mental Health and Addiction Supportive Recovery Housing Mr.

Andrew Micklefield (Rossmere): Our government understands the importance of investing in mental health and addictions services, services that give Manitobans the support they need to overcome their health challenges so they can successfully transition back into the community. Supportive recovery housing, for example, has been shown to reduce relapse rates by providing safe, stable housing for those who have completed treatment. This morning the Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living made an important announcement regarding supportive recovery housing in Manitoba.

Could the minister please share the details of this announcement with the House? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Health, Seniors and Active Living): Madam Speaker, I thank the member for Rossmere for the question. Earlier to day it was my honour to declare this week of November 25th to 29th Substance Use and Addictions Awareness Week. Madam Speaker, we're keeping our promises when it comes to improving mental health and addictions services in Manitoba and this morning we made plans and announced those plans to add 100 supportive recovery housing beds to our health- care system.

These spaces create access for individuals who have completed treatment. It gives them a place to go, a place with rehabilitative supports, accountabil ity, access to recreation, opportunities to work and to volunteer, to stabilize them and give them a pathway back to real and successful living. It is yet another example of how our government is getting better health care sooner for all Manitobans. Northern Manitoba Justice System Review Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): Madam Speaker, last week I asked the minister what he was going to do about the collapse in the administration of justice in northern Manitoba.

In one case, a single mom of four waited 51 days without a bail hearing. The minister said that he's known about this issue for some time, but has only made vague commitments to improving the current situation. I ask the minister today, in detail, what is his plan to address injustice an d will he commit to a comprehensive review today? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I do appreciate the question in terms of public safety in northern Manitoba.

Clearly, I think Manitobans appreciate the mess that we inherited from the NDP government, and certainly this is a classic case of an NDP mess that we're trying to clean up, Madam Speaker – [interjection]–not that we– Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Cullen: –the first step–Madam Speaker, we are working with the judiciary, we're working with Crown counsel, we're working with lawyers in northern Manitoba and we're working with sheriff and probation officers to find productive outcomes for

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 127 this, and we are star ting to move the needle on the issues around bail in northern Manitoba. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Johns, on a supplementary question. Ms. Fontaine: Again, the minister said last week that he's known about this issue for years, particul arly under his ministerial leadership, and yet according to his own annual reports there are actually less people now working in Manitoba court operations than there were three years ago, Madam Speaker, and there are less people working in prosecutions. This is an absolute contradiction.

The minister has known about this problem and has done less than nothing. Will he commit to a comprehensive review today, as recommended by Justice Martin? Mr. Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, the fact of the matter is the NDP knew there was an issue in northern Manitoba. When we realized the issue there, we have taken proactive steps to address it. Madam Speaker, the NDP left the whole judiciary system in a mess. It is an antiquated paper -based system that we are moving to change.

We are bringing forward an integrated case management system all across the judiciary for all of Manitoba that will move Manitoba Justice into the 21st century. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Cullen: The NDP ignored it; we're going to get the job done. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Johns, on a final supplementary. Ms. Fontaine: I invite the minister to review his own annual report, and what he'll find is that every aspect of our courts have seen a decline in staff over the last three years, all under his ministerial leadership.

That includes court operations, judicial services and sheriff services, and Manitoba prosecution service has also seen a decline in staff as well. The minister says he's known about the problem for years, but why is he doing less than nothing and why is he ensuring that there are less people to work on these issues? Will he commit to a review immediately today to rectify the situation in northern Manitoba? Mr. Cullen: Well, Madam Speaker, here's the fundamental difference. The NDP knew about the issue for years, chose to ignore it.

We, on other other hand, are making investments in northern Manitoba to address the situation. If the member would actually take the time to read the full annual report, she will know we're actually achieving outcomes for Manitobans in terms of fewer days before they get to, actually, into the court system. So better outcomes for Manitoba and in–and matter – Madam Speaker, in terms of Thompson itself, we have committed to an $11- million investment in that facility alone; that is progress. Door-to-Door Sales Scam Compensation for Victims Mr.

Jim Maloway (Elmwood): My question is to the new minister of consumer affairs. In April of 2018 the–Winnipeg residents signed a contract with a door -to-door direct seller called Utilebill promising to pay over $37,000 for a furnace, a HEPA filter, water filter and electronic air cleaner, when all of these products should've cost less than $10,000 including equipment and installation. Now, after the CBC carried this story, the Pallister government promised –in last year's Throne Speech–to do something about direct sellers in Manitoba. They did nothing.

A year later they made no mention of this issue in the recent Throne Speech. So promise made, promise not kept. Will the new minister tell us when he will honour his government's promise to help the growing supply of victims of this scam? Hon. Scott Fielding (Minister of Finance): Our deepest sympathy goes out to all Manitobans who've lost their hard 'erk' –or hard -earning money on unethical behaviours, so it's a part of it. Such actions include–we've taken real actions.

In fact, we've taken real actions including things like appropriate administrative pe nalties to unlicensed sellers and taking preventative measures to educate the public on problematic practices through consumer alerts, news releases and public representations. * (14:50) Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Elmwood, on a supplementary question. Mr. Maloway: The minister knows that all direct sellers in Manitoba are required to be bonded. I'd like to know whether any of these bonds have been called and any of these victims have received compensation for the losses.

Had he compensated anybody, he probably would have owned up to it and mentioned it in his answer, which he did not.

128 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 Mr. Fielding: As mentioned to you, our government takes consumer protection issues extremely important. We want to make sure that consumers are protected in some ways where there's not unethical practices that are in place. Our government wants to make –people are educated as much as they can, in terms of –protect themselves as citizens of Manitoba, and that's our – something our government is very committed to doing. Madam Speaker: The time for oral questions has expired. Speaker's Ruling Madam Speaker: And I have a ruling for the House.

Following oral questions on October 10th, 2019, the last day of the First Session of the 42nd Legislature, the honourable member for River Heights (Mr. Gerrard) rose on a matter of privilege regarding the government's failure to table the Supplementary Information for Legislative Review revenue Estimates report. He expressed his opinion that this failure to provide an account of the Estimates of revenue by the government impeded his ability as an MLA to understand a critical component of the financial affairs of Manitoba.

The member concluded his remarks by moving that, and I quote, that this matter be referred to a Legislative committee. End quote. The honourable Government House Leader (Mr. Goertzen) also spoke to the matter of privilege before I took it under advisement, and I thank both members for their advice to the Chair on this matter.

For the information of all members, in order for the matter raised to be ruled in order as a prima facie case of privilege, members must demonstrate both that the issue has been raised at the earliest opportunity and also provide sufficient evidence that the privileges of the House have been breached. Regarding timeliness, the honourable member for River Heights said that, and I quote, I do need to raise this now because it relates to a matter that we found out only earlier this afternoon. End quote. Accordingly, I would rule that he did meet the condition of timeliness in this case.

Regarding the second condition of whether a prima facie case has been demonstrat ed, the member argued that the, and I quote, privileges of a member are violated by any action which might impede him or her in the fulfillment of his or her duties and functions. End quote. He further stated that the –and quote, failure to provide the Esti mates of revenue by the government impedes our ability as MLAs to know a critical component of the financial affairs of Manitoba. End quote.

As stated on page 220 in the second edition of Maingot's Parliamentary Privilege in Canada, questions of privilege are frequently raised, but few are found to be prima facie cases. Members have a tendency to use the rubric of privilege to raise what is really a matter of order or, in the words of the Speaker of the House of Commons, a grievance against the government.

For the information of all members, parlia - mentary privilege is a constitutional right passed on to the Parliament of Canada and to the provincial legislatures from the United Kingdom's 1689 Bill of Rights and was incorporated into the Canadian experience to provide protection for members to exercise their parliamentary duties free from interference.

I would remind the House that the indivi dual protections for members under parliamentary pri - vilege include: the freedom of speech; the freedom from arrest and civil actions; exemptions from jury duty; freedom from obstruction, interference, intimi - dation and molestation; and the exemption from attendance as a witness. In order for a prima facie breach of privilege to be found, one or more of these individual protections would need to be demonstrated to have been violated.

Based on his comments in the House on October 10th, 2019, the honourable member for River Heights appears to have a grievance against the government regarding the tabling of the revenue Estimates, but his argument did not meet the thresholds I have just described regarding his privileges as a member of this House. Several previous Manitoba Speakers have made the point that while members may have a case for a grievance or complaint against the government, such cases do not amount to a prima facie case of a breach of privilege.

Speaker Rocan made this point on June 19th, 1991, and March 13th, 1995, as did Speaker Hickes on June 5th, 2000, and April 25th, 2002, as well as Speaker Reid on August 27th, 2013. Accordingly, I am ruling that this matter does not constitute a prima facie case of privilege.

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 129 PETITIONS Personal-Care Homes Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows: Manitoba elders and seniors have built this province and should receive a high lev el of support, having earned the right to be treated with due respect, dignity, understanding and compassion as a fundamental human right.

Seniors who reside in personal -care homes have more diverse and complex physical and brain health issues today than those who were in similar homes even just five years ago, yet the staffing formula, or minimum personnel requirement, is over 20 years old. The issue of the changes to, and more complex nature of, care is being exacerbated by the provincial government policy of discharging people out of hospitals more quickly, leaving many residents still in need of a high level of care.

Manitoba does not have enough health-care aides and nurses specifically trained to care for seniors with high and complex level of physical and mental issues such as those with dementia, coupled with multiple chronic conditions. The added complexity of care with such residents is putting additional stress on doctors and family members, as it may take six to eight weeks for a doctor to see a resident in a personal-care home.

Unfortunately, the lack of quality care received by many residents is not unique , causing one person to say that it was easier to watch my dad die in the personal-care home than to watch him live in the personal-care home. Staff are so overworked that they are forced to tell senior elders and residents in need: Go in your diaper; or: I can't help you. You will get food eventually. Relatives are also being told that residents in care homes should not ever expect to walk again after hip or knee replacement surgery because care homes are not set up for rehabilitation.

The provincial government has allowed personal- care homes to serve food that is warmed from frozen instead of being freshly cooked, depriving seniors the taste of good food, which is one of the few real pleasures that would be–they would be able to enjoy at this time of life. Although residents enter personal -care homes to have the best possible quality of life in their last few days, weeks, months or years, relatives repeatedly hear the words: He came here to die, and: She came here to die.

Relatives are regularly an gry, frustrated, disap - pointed and shocked at the care their loved ones now receive in Manitoba's personal-care homes. Administrators in personal-care homes respond to complaints by stating they need more, better -trained staff. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to increase training and staffing requirements for personal -care homes in Manitoba, to ensure residents receive high - quality, nutritious food as well as compassionate care. Signed by Lucienne Germaniuk, Marie Bourrier, Rene Bourrier and many others.

Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule 133(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to be received by the House. ORDERS OF THE DAY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Cliff Cullen (Acting Government House Leader): Would you call for the resumption of debate on the Throne Speech? * (15:00) THRONE SPEECH (Fourth Day of Debate) Madam Speaker: Resuming debate on the motion of the honourable member for Southdale (Ms. Gordon) and the amendment and subamendment thereto, standing in the name of the honourable Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage, who has 16 minutes remaining. Hon.

Cathy Cox (Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage): Again, I do invite all members in the Chamber here to participate in the wonderful activities that we're going to have in support of Manitoba 150. It really is going to be the most memorable anniversary in Manitoba history. I am proud of our government's commitment to culture, heritage and sport, and I'm very excited to be

130 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 able to continue in this role. But now I would like to turn to the other part of my portfolio. Our government has taken many actions to improve the lives of women and girls in Manitoba, and I'd like to share some of them with you now. Our government has made the largest capital investment in health in provincial history, and its investment in women's health and the new Women's Hospital at HSC will be a welcome addition for all women right across the province of Manitoba.

This $267- million investment will provide women, their families, the newborns, a warm and inviting environment to give birth and to address all of the issues that involve women and women's health here in the province of Manitoba. And I'm proud to say, Madam Speaker, that it is our government that backed–that got it back on track after many, many years of NDP mismanagement and delay. And in November 2018, our government established the gender -based violence committee of Cabinet, Madam Speaker.

And this is the very first committee of Cabinet of its type that was established to focus on the issue of gender -based violence. Our government recognizes the need to take a whole -of- government approach to tackle the issue of gender - based violence. And recently we invested $3.34 mill ion into women's health initiatives, including expanded treatment for eating disorders.

And just this October we announced that we were providing $2.4 million to Klinic and Laurel Centre to provide walk-in counselling services to women and trauma counselling services as well as seven -day-a-week trauma intake centre, the first of its kind here, Madam Speaker. The executive director of Klinic, who was just with us here today in the Chamber, hailed this, and I quote, the largest single investment in our counselling services in decades, and is projected to cut wait times, Madam Speaker, for women seeking counselling at the Laurel Centre significantly.

And recently we also announced $3 million worth of new shelter beds at Siloam Mission, and many of these beds will be designated specifically for women, Madam Speaker, so they can feel safe in a separate unit. We recently announced a heaven –$176,000 in new funding for woman's resource centres in Winnipeg and Brandon. And we ensured annual funding of $118,000 for the West End women's resource centre for the very first time ever, Madam Speaker, and I'm proud to say that she was –that executive director was also with us here today, supporting us in the new bill that we just introduced today, Bill 7.

The NDP said no for 17 years, but our government recognized the important work that the West Central Women's Resource Centre does. And we passed Bill 2, The Municipal Amendment Act, which implemented and strength- ened codes of conduct for municipal council members. And I know that's going to be just discussed today at the Association of Manitoba Municipalities. We also announced $58,000 in new funding for the Women's Resource Centre in Brandon, Madam Speaker, including expanding programming in Spanish, and more crisis intervention and counselling.

We also updated and implemented a new respectful workplace policy after the NDP let sexual harassment go unchecked at the highest levels of their government. Our government established third-party reporting protocols for sexua l and domestic violence with Klinic, Heart Medicine Lodge, Sage House and Pluri-Elles. We passed Bill 15, Madam Speaker, The Sexual Violence Awareness and Prevention Act, which requires sexual violence policies at private vocational institutes, in addition to existing requirements of public universities and colleges.

And I want to talk about what's next for women and girls in Manitoba, Madam Speaker. As mentioned in the Throne Speech, we will introduce Clare's Law, which will allow people to be informed if their intimate partner has a history of violent convictions. Alberta and Saskatchewan have already passed this law, and we need to join our western neighbours in this important initiative. Our government recognizes that we must do more to improve the lives of women and girls here in Manitoba. This is another important step to ensure that women and girls can make the right choices in their lives.

We'll expand job-protected leave to survivors of interpersonal violence regardless of the perpetrator. We will also expand this leave to people taking care of dependent children and adults who have experienced or witnessed interpersonal violence. Six other

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 131 provinces have expanded this legislation and we will join them in survive–in supporting our survivors. We are not content on this side of the House, Madam Speaker, to sit on our hands and claim that we are helping foster –and claim that we are helping women. We are actually taking action, and from all the information that I just provided to you, you can see that we are taking action to address domestic violence here in the province of Manitoba.

I am proud to be a member of this government who recognizes the importance of women and girls here in the province of Manitoba and recognizes the importance of working side by side with the community to address these very, very important issues here in Manitoba. So I would like to say thank you to our govern- ment for taking that important action and recognizing the importance of women here in Manitoba; and I would like to say thank you, as well, to our Premier (Mr.

Pallister) for all of the work that he has done in bringing our province forward and really moving Manitoba forward to make it the most improved province in all of Canada. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Mr. Mark Wasyliw (Fort Garry): I wanted to thank the people of Fort Garry who have placed their trust in me to represent them. I want to thank all those who helped send me here, including my many volunteers, campaign team, friends and family, without whom I would certainly not be here today. And I want to acknowledge the previous MLA for Fort Garry, Jamie Allum.

He's had a lasting impact on the riding, one that was on full display as I knocked on doors. They spoke warmly and fondly about his passion for the community. I also share his passion for social justice and his belief that we can, in fact, build a fairer, more prosperous, more equal Manitoba. He's been a mentor and a friend, and I appreciate all he's done for me personally and for the province. The constituency of Fort Garry is incredibly diverse with over 25 per cent of the population being newcomers. It's younger and better educated than the Manitoba average, with almost half the population are renters.

It's also a riding with challenges –some of the poorest neighbourhoods not only in the city, but in the province. It's the original car suburb of Winnipeg with historic neighbourhoods like Wildwood Park and the former Metis Rooster Town settlement. It has a vibrant arts –or activist and arts comm unity in Earl Grey and Rockwood, and a hard- working West and East Fort Garry –and with rapid transit and international immigration this one -time suburb is quickly transforming itself into a growing and increasingly dense urban neighbourhood.

As I speak, a number of hi -rise apartment towers are under construction, making this one of the fastest growing parts of our province. It is a welcome challenge to be a small part of guiding this community's transformation. For many, Fort Garry is the first community in which they will settle in Manitoba. I suspect their experience in making Manitoba their home will be very similar in many ways to my own family's story. My mother was born in the Ukraine and her and my grandparents were taken by the Nazis and placed into a forced labour camp.

My grandfather's forced labour job was to go into now empty homes of Jewish residents and spray chemicals throughout the apartment. The Nazis were literally fumigating the homes of Jewish residents who were sent off to concentration camps. My grandfather was taken from us way too soon. He died of Parkinson's quite young, and I suspect it was the chemicals he handled in those days that amounted to his early exit.

The Nazis obviously didn't care about the Ukrainian slave labourers they had under their control; they weren't given any safety equipment and they weren't worried about the toxicity of the chemicals they were forced to administer.

As horrible as that story is, as horrible as I imagine it would have been for my grandfather to do the forced work of that kind, as an adult I've certainly recently learned that I actually have Eastern European Jewish background in my heritage, and it illustrates to me how anyone of us could be the person whose apartment is being fumigated, and I think it's a valuable lesson for all of us, for those with power on the government benches and those of us who aspire to it on the opposition side.

We are a small and privileged group of legislators who have the honour of serving Manitobans, and when w e do our job well, we are the voice for all Manitoba. When we fall short, we only become the voice for the small and chosen few. * (15:10) Politics is about power –who has it and what we do with it, and too often our laws reflect what is

132 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 important to those who have power in our society. The strong get to decide the rules upon which the weak and the vulnerable must live. We must all keep in mind that today we may be in a position of power. We may be healthy, financially secure and have a voice that people listen to. In short, we are strong. But tomorrow and at some point in all of our lives, that power will be taken away from us. We will be in poor health, we will fall on hard financial times and we may be isolated, alone or ignored.

It is my absolute belief that as legislators, we have taken a sacred oath to represent all Manitobans, both weak and strong. We as a Legislature must govern as if we are the ones without power, as though we are the ones who are vulnerable and as though we are the ones who are in need. My family was liberated by the Allies and placed into a displaced persons camp. We now call them refugees and they came to Canada and they settled in the Brooklands neighbourhood in a small cottage without running water and an outhouse in back. A nd so began their journey as newcomers.

The racial slur of the day and how they were greeted to Canada was with the moniker of being a DP or a displaced person. My grandfather understood that the key to a better life in Manitoba was education. He was an intelligent, very well -read man, but didn't have much formal education. Those opportunities were not open to him. But he was going to make sure that they were open to his family. One wonders what he would have been able to accomplish if he'd been given the opportunity of higher education. But, without complaint, he made do with what he had.

He became a licensed barber, opened up a barber shop on Selkirk Avenue and catered to Eastern European immigrants. And, like all newcomers, they worked hard, lived modes tly and saved. They dealt with language and cultural barriers, racism and intolerance, and they did so with grace and understanding that the next generation would have it better than the last. He encouraged my parents not to settle, to strive for a better life, not to be cowed into the racism of low expectations, not to accept other people's dismissive narrative of two working- class kids from the North End.

He encouraged both of them to get education and take the opportunities that were denied to him. As a result, both of my parents became public school teachers. My father went on to start the first bilingual Ukrainian program in Transcona - Springfield School Division and my mother touched the lives of students for over 30 years, teaching grade 3 in Garden City and Maples. I have, to this day, middle-age adults stopping me and telling me how much their–my mother believed in them and changed their course of their lives forever.

Now, through their hard work and sacrifice, I was able to attend law school, and for the past 20 years I've had the great honour and privilege working in the criminal justice system in Manitoba. I witnessed first- hand how poverty, mental health and systemic racism works against many Manitobans. I've seen a system that in many ways is broken. In our justice system, it matters who you are and how much money your family has and it often determines what we consider a crime in this province and what we consider a just punishment. We are not equal in our justice system.

Many of my former clients would come to court having grown up in abject poverty, neglected, abused, abandoned, living desperate lives of survival. Often the stresses of their lives would lead to serious mental health issues or substance abuse and addiction. A criminal record or even a jail sentence in that world is hardly a deterrent. I have seen chronically homeless offenders commit petty crimes and intentionally get arrested, knowing they were going to jail. They would time their crimes, their arrests a nd their detention just when the weather turned cold.

A winter in a warm jail sleeping on a hard bed with three meals a day was a better life than trying to brave Winnipeg streets in -30° weather. I have seen in one week a client be the victim of a horren dous crime and days later turn into an aggressor and victimize another. This cycle is repeated daily in our community. Those that commit the crimes are often those most likely to be the victims of it. I recall an incident as a young lawyer.

I was in a meeting with an 18- year-old client at the Remand Centre and for those of you who've been there, there's a row of lawyer booths which are all glass and you can see down the row, one row after another. And I'm going through a very serious charge with this young man and I lose his attention. And he stands up suddenly and he starts banging on the glass. And I see he's trying to get the attention of the man next to him and he all of a sudden jumps up, and my client starts screaming, and he's screaming, he's –hey, da d. Hey, dad.

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 133 And I see their hands touch up against the glass in sort of a prison embrace and it was a sad, touching moment, but those men would only see each other from now on separated by glass. And there were several lessons I learned that day that we , as a province, have yet to learn: When everyone you know goes to jail, there's no shame or stigma to it, and when we failed that young man's father, when we wrote him off, when the effects to his life didn't end there, the trauma, the hurt, the pain–it's passed down from generation to generation.

It ends up costing us millions and it makes us less safe. Had we dealt with the issues that brought the father to jail, that son may have never seen the inside of the Remand Centre. We have a Province that has failed those people. They are the weak, the vulnerable and they suffer trauma from their lives. When someone commits a crime, they violate the public trust, but I can tell you after 20 years almost every one of those offenders that I've met has had their trust violated first.

That's what it takes for someone to stop caring, to stop caring about how people will see you, to stop caring about the needs of others. Someone has to take away their trust so they can stop and take away yours, and any child who ends up in our child- welfare system or the criminal justice system, we have failed them and we have failed Manitoba. The justice system was designed in the 1800s by rich, white men and it's accomplished what it set out to do: it has kept rich, white men out of jail for over 200 years.

What it hasn't done, and what it's not designed to do, is address the needs of poor, the racialized and the mentally ill, and imagine in Manitoba if we asked the people who actually use the justice system how they would design it, what type of system that they would come up with. Now, as a young father of three wonderful children, I ran and won a by -election for the school division–the Winnipeg School Division. I went on to be re -elected two more terms.

I was elected as the vice-chair and finally as the chair of the board, and despite an education system that is chronically underfunded, one that's funded by far below the national–and they always see the average–we are blessed in this province with outstanding teachers and our schools. Now, not all students come to school equally placed to learn. Not a day goes by that tens of thousands of Manitoba students don't come to school hungry. You can't learn when you're distracted by hunger.

Now, my partner Jackie, who has sacrificed and supported me in my political career and for whom I will be forever grateful, she's currently finishing her education degree and is a teacher candidate–otherwise student teaching in our schools, and I can't remember in the last two years' time when sh e's actually been able to eat her lunch. Not a day goes by where she gives up her lunch to some of her students who are clearly starving and can't concentrate in class that day. In a province and country as rich as ours, this is beyond shameful and, as a Legislature, we need to do better.

Now, you cannot learn if you suffer from depression or anxiety. You cannot learn if you're homeless or your family moves every three months. You may be war -affected and traumatized by the horrors you've seen. You may have been abused or deal with daily instability of neglect, alcohol or drug abuse in the home.

Until we recognize as a province that many students have often multiple barriers to them succeeding in school and until we, as a Legislature, commit to providing res ources to help those students overcome those barriers, we will continue to lose a generation of students, and as a Legislature we need to do better. I've seen first-hand how the legacy of racism and the exclusion of indigenous Manitobans have affected our community. This has directly impacted my home. My partner Jackie is a '60s scoop survivor and a member of the Teetl'it Gwich'in First Nation.

Events and tragedies that happened many decades ago and a thousand kilometres away still resonate and affect our lives. Mr. Doyle Piwniuk, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair For thousands of Manitoba these legacies have a lasting and enduring influence in how their lives unfold, and as a Legislature we have a solemn duty to repair the damage to our community and to reconcile all Manitobans. We will be stronger for it and this is who we are.

In Manitoba, we certainly believe in community and we understand it intrinsically, that we are stronger together than apart, and I think nothing highlights this more than how Manitobans act to one another in a snowstorm, and I think you're all familiar with this scenario. You're driving late at night on a dark, lonely road in blizzard- like

134 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 conditions. You come upon a fellow Manitoban who's off the road, stuck in a snowbank. And how do you know someone is a Manitoban? Because a Manitoban will stop; a Manitoban will leave the safety and warmth of their car and they will get out and they will push that vehicle out of the snowbank, and they do it without any need for thanks or favour; it's automatic. And they know that some day it's going to be them in that snowbank and they're going to be the ones that will get pulled out by a stranger.

That's what it means to be a Manitoban, and as a Legislature we need to embody that spirit. We need to build a province, one that includes all Manitobans, regardless of who they are and where they come from. * (15:20) On any objective measure, this Throne Speech fails Manitobans. It does nothing to build our province. It ignores and marginalizes the voices of many Manitoba communities and it privileges the few at the expense of the many. Middle class living standards depend heavily on public service. This government has engaged in reckless cuts to health care, education, infrastructure.

They hav e been solely responsible for eliminating thousands of good middle class jobs: Manitoba Hydro, Manitoba Public Insurance and over 14 per cent reduction in the provincial civil service. They have made cuts to municipalities and school divisions, all of which compound these cuts they have already made and mean even more job losses. And with cuts to municipalities and school boards, it forces other levels of governments to raise taxes on Manitobans and cut teaching, nursing, child care and public service positions.

For every job that has been cut, economists estimate it results in a further three other job losses. So for –every thousand jobs that the Pallister government cuts ends up being about 4,000 jobs lost in the Manitoba economy. And those are jobs not just connected with teaching, medicine and public service, they now go into all professions. We have gone from having the second lowest unemployment rate in Canada to now having one of the worst, including having the worst unemployment rate in a generatio n. Our economy is slowing down, and this government is putting Manitoba into a recession.

This, after 15 years of having the second fastest growing economy in Canada. We are starting to see the effects of this govern - ment's choices not only hurt Manitoba ns' economy, but directly affect the overall well -being of Manitobans. In their 2019 annual report, the government reveals that the percentage of youth aged 15 to 24 who are not employed, educated in education or training, has seen a 12 per cent increase. College and tuition is getting less 'infordable'. You're going to have less students. There's been a drop in attendance of 18- to-34-year-olds at Manitoba post -secondary institutions.

We're seeing a decrease in the percentage of people aged 15 or older who are employed –so not only is this government putting students out of school, it's putting students out of work. We're seeing for the first time in a decade that Manitobans are now leaving the province en masse, that we have more people leaving than coming here. And people are literally voting with their feet. They have seen what the Pallister government's Manitoba looks like and they don't want any part of it. We've seen 20 per cent increase in the number of children in care. We're seeing premature mortality rate increase in the past year.

We're seeing an increase in deaths occurring for people under the age of 75. And we're seeing an increase in the prevalence of chronic disease by income–meaning the poorer you are in the– Manitoba, the higher rate of diabetes you're going to have, hypertension, respiratory illness and arthritis. It is not hyperbole to state that the government's policies are 'litelaly' –literally killing more Manitobans each year, and we are seeing an increase in Manitobans who enter poverty in the last year.

And this is the saddest part, but it makes sense: Manitobans' income inequality has grown f or the first time in years, with the richest 10 per cent of Manitobans share of after-tax income growing against the poorest 40 per cent in our province. In other words, the Pallister government's Manitoba–poor people are getting poorer, rich are getting richer. And remember the sort -of most improved province mantra from this government–we don't hear that too much anymore for obvious reasons, as it was a silly and hollow boast back then and now seems cruel and cynical. Now, none of this is by accident.

I wish I could blame this government's obvious fiscal incompetence and mismanagement, but sadly, I can't. This is the result of choices they have made and are continuing to make under this Throne Speech. The pain they are causing Manitobans is by design. This government has outlined a shopping list of boutique tax cuts that Manitobans never asked for and

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 135 which have no valid public policy reason to enact. What unifies all of them is that each and every one of these tax cuts will disproportionately help those at the top and do little or nothing for everyday Manitobans.

What they will do is continue this government's regressive approach to taxation by shifting the tax 'burthen' from wealthy Manitobans who are disproportionately benefitting from Manitoban's economy and have the greatest ability to pay to middle- and working-class Manitobans who are not benefitting from this economy and have the least ability to pay. So rich Manitobans get their taxes cut; everybody else has to pay for them. Now we have a t ax breaks, we're told, for fancy haircuts. Well, most Manitobans don't spend more than $50 on a haircut, and this is going to help very few Manitobans.

And the ones that it will, they've never asked for it and they don't need it. Now, if this is this gov ernment's idea of feminism, we're in a lot of trouble. If this government wants to be a feminist government, how about a law that ensures pay equity in Manitoba. I mean, the message that this government is sending is that, well, we don't care if women get paid equal wages for equal work, but we do think that your fancy haircut, you're paying way too much PST and we're going to cut a break on that.

With the $7 million that we lose from fancy haircuts, we could keep an ER open for a year, we could keep class sizes lower and we could create thousands of child-care spaces. Now, we have tax breaks for accounting fees. Well, you need to have a lot of money and assets in order to use an accountant, and, of course, the larger and richer your business is, the more a ccounting fees you'll have. So this is disproportionately going to help those, again, that need it the least. Another $11 million is going to be squandered on this, and that can certainly stop the cuts to police and save our local libraries.

This Throne S peech benefits those at the top while making life harder for the rest of us. It's making us poorer, less educated, more unhealthy. The policies contained in it will make Manitoba less fair and less equal. For the sake of this government, we need to do better. Thank you. Mr. Greg Nesbitt (Riding Mountain): I am truly honoured to once again represent what I believe to be one of the most beautiful constituencies in Manitoba: Riding Mountain. When the electoral boundaries commission released its final report nearly a year ago, the Riding Mountain boundaries changed, as did many in Manitoba.

My constituency changed considerably as the northern portion of the former Arthur -Virden constituency, Mr. Deputy Speaker, was rolled in, and areas to the west like Rossbur n, Russell and the Asessippi area moved into Swan River. At the time, the change seemed a bit daunting, but as I got to know the new area, I realized the people who lived in the 5,000 new homes were just as appreciative of the work done by our Progressive Conservative government as those who lived on the west side that are now served by my friend and colleague, the honourable member for Swan River (Mr. Wowchuk).

I want to thank all the volunteers who assisted me during the campaign. I'm going to name them: Dallas Watt, Terry Johnson, Ray Orr, Jim Kennedy, Tarra Moulson, Celina Nernberg, Gary and Joanne Findlay, and my parents Joe and Shirley Nesbitt, who provided me with the odd meal. I travelled over 8,000 kilometres, meeting as many people as possible in coffee shops and at fairs and parades across communities in my constituency.

The new Riding Mountain constituency, which stretches from Highway 2 in the south to the north side of Riding Mountain National Park and from St-Lazare in the west to midway betw een Minnedosa and Neepawa, has an even more diverse economy, adding oil to the mix of agriculture and tourism. Oil is extremely important to the economy of Virden and surrounding areas. As of December 2018, there were approximately 3,700 producing wells i n Manitoba. Manitoba's oil is of good quality and the estimated value of the over 13 million barrels of oil sold in 2018 was $943 million.

Two hundred seventy- six new wells were drilled in Manitoba in 2018, including 263 horizontal wells. The current cost to drill and complete a well ranges from $325,000 to $1.8 million depending primarily on the depth. These numbers give you some idea of the employees and support services required in the oil field. Mr. Deputy Speaker, not only did I inherit one of the–Manitoba's true resource assets, as you well know, the community of Virden also has a stoplight and a Boston Pizza, both of which'd I didn't have under the old boundaries.

An interesting note is that Jim Treliving of Dragons' Den fame and the owner of Boston 'pista'–Pizza International was stationed in Virden as a member of the RCMP.

136 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 25, 2019 * (15:30) Our government's Throne Speech promised to deliver on the strong mandate from Manitobans in the recent provincial election to continue building a 'strongler,' more resi lient Manitoba. Since being elected in 2016, we have kept our promises. That's important, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as people remember what you promise and what you deliver. Too often into the past, under the previous NDP government, promises were made but not kept.

When electors cast their votes on September 10th, they were satisfied with what we had accomplished in less than four years but also extremely excited about our five - point guarantee that we announced during the campaign. After completing our promise to reduce the provincial sales tax by 1 per cent in our first term on July 1st, 2019, we went one step further with our guarantee pledging that the average Manitoban will save $2,020 in taxes and fees over the next four years.

These savings will come from the 1 per cent PST reduction but also from removing PST on personal - care services, such as haircuts and nail treatments, on professional income tax preparation and the 'pareparation' of wills. We will not roll–we will roll back vehicle registration fees by 10 per cent and eliminate probate fees. We will also continue to index the basic personal exemption and personal income tax brackets. These savings for Manitoba residents, which will begin in 2020, add up, Madam –Mr.

Deputy Speaker, and are in direct contrast to the NDP's election promises and alternative throne speech suggestions of spending more money but not providing any detail of where the money would come from. On this side of the House, we know where that money would come from: out of the pockets of hard-working Manitobans. Our plan gives real, meaningful tax relief for Manitobans who, for 17 years, paid higher taxes under an NDP government.

Manitobans told the NDP they were tired of the ir tax -and-spend mentality and reinforced that again this fall when they elected the largest back -to-back Progressive Conservative majority governments in the province history. They voted decisively for making their life more affordable by having more money on their kitchen tables so they can decide where to spend it. For years, the Keystone Agricultural Producers and the Manitoba Teachers' Society have been on record supporting the elimination of the practice of collecting education tax on property.

As we promised in the election campaign and reinforced in the Throne Speech, our government will eliminate the education portion of property taxes and instead fund education entirely from provincial revenues. The phase-out will begin the first year after the b udget is balanced and will be completed over a maximum of 10 years. Once fully implemented, the average homeowner will save more than $2,000 annually. Better health care sooner has been the focus of our government since being elected in 2016.

After inheriting some of the longest wait times in Canada, our government decided to consolidate our emergency resources in Winnipeg, which will lead to consistently shorter waiter times–wait times. Our $2- billion health -care guarantee will allow for investments to provide better patient guarantee – patient care, care that's closer to home based on the needs of where Manitobans live.

The provincial clinical and preventive services plan, which tapped over 3,000 health- care providers for their insights, will ensure th at resources around the province are located in the right place to serve rural residents like those in the Riding Mountain constituency. In my constituency, we're already seeing the results of our 'governingment', hiring more para - medics to provide 24- 7 coverage. An additional 80 paramedics will be hired to achieve a standard of reaching 90 per cent of Manitobans in under 30 minutes, 90 per cent of the time.

This is a service that has been the standard in cities, but in rural Manitoba, we relied on on- call EMS providers for many years. Time is so important in an emergency, and our government believes our investments in hiring highly trained paramedics will save lives. An additional 1,500 child- care spaces will be added as part of our guarantee to build 20 new schools in the next 10 years.

Currently, we have committed to building seven schools across the province, including the new Maryland Park School, in the constituency of my good friend from Brandon East, where I am proud to say my granddaughter will begin her education. Child-care spaces are so important to rural communities, and adding them to any new schools being built is just common sense. In the spring, I was pleased to join the Minister of Families (Mrs. Stefanson) to open the first public da ycare in the community of Rivers. This was not a new

November 25, 2019 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 137 build, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but a retrofit of surplus space in the Rivers Collegiate, to serve the residents of Rivers and area. Prior to this daycare opening, many families in Rivers had to drive their children to daycare in Brandon, some 20 minutes away. I was delighted to hear in the Throne Speech that our government will expand private sector investment in an effort to increase the number of child-care spaces across the province.

Predictably, the Liberal Party's alternative Throne Speech, which may or may not have had some input from Ottawa, recommended our government drop our lawsuit against the federal government for refusing to accept our Made- in-Manitoba Climate and Green Plan. Our plan, w hich Ottawa said was the best plan they had seen, would have maintained a flat carbon tax in the province, and would have given us credit for our green initiatives like clean hydroelectric power. However, as we all know, our plan was rejected by the Liberal federal government.

While Manitobans send carbon tax to the federal Liberals in Ottawa, our government will continue to face the challenge of climate change head -on, by protecting the environment and conserving our natural resources. We will help homeowners and business 'retrofet' their homes and commercial buildings by establishing a $25-million energy efficient program. This initiative is expected to 'redeec e' greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 27,000 vehicles off the roads.

Madam Speaker in the Chair Speaking of vehicles, Madam Speaker, the ethanol requirement in gasoline will be increased to 10 per cent and to 5 per cent for biodiesel, and we will ask the Climate and Green Plan Expert Advisory Committee to provide recommendatio ns on the electrification of Manitoba's 'transfertation' infra - structure. The increased ethanol and 'biodiesenal' require - ments will reduce emissions by the equivalency of planting 25 million trees, while at the same time supporting our agricultural industry by utilizing Manitoba-grown corn and canola.

Madam Speaker, there's so much more good news for rural Manitobans in the Throne Speech. Our government will eliminate regulatory barriers that restrict farmers from producing food for rural markets and free consumers to connect with local producers who, in many cases, are their friends and neighbours. Legislation to rem

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