... Volume XL Monday .... --~~- ----- --... ·-·. - ~ - ~ -· Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable P.J. McNicholas Number 50 6 June 1988

The House met at 2:00 p.m. MR. SPEAKER (McNicholas): Order, pleaSE!! BeFOJ"e r·E!COgn:iz i.ng lhr· :! hon. l:h( ~ PJ"E•s'idE:'I'lt or [·:hE! Counct1, I IAJ<'lnt 1.·. o cl r:! a l IAJ i L h l h E:' rna 'L L u ,., J" a .i. s E'! cl o n June 2. I refE!r -to the point of privilege raised by the han. the Minister of He a 1 t h (Dr . co 11 ins ) on Thursday, June 2. I 1 istened with interest to the debate by the Minister of Health, the Leader of the Opposition (Mr . Wells). the Premier, the Opposit ion House Leader (Mr. Tul k), the Government House Leader (Mr. Simms) and the member for Moun t Scio - Bell Island (Mr.

Bar-ry). Because the matters ratsed wer·e of a SE!rious nature, I permitted a longer period for the debate on the issue than I would normally have allowed . Upon study·ing t:he authorities, Beauchesne Fourth and Fifth Editions, and Erskine May Eighteenth and Nineteenth Editions, an d after giving thls matter serious consideration . this weekend, I have com e· to the conclusion that a prima facie case of breach of privilege has not been established in accordance IALi .th l.h(:~ CJ"iler·-L;:~ as sel out i.n these auLhorities . MR. SIMMS : Ml" . SpPak('•r'. MR . SPEAKER: The hon . the President of the Counci1.. MR .

SIMMS : l'-1r.

Sp eal<e r, you t.~.rill re call a fe w day s ago , I think it was June 2 or 3, I gave notic e to Your Honour and to membe rs of th e House that I intend ed to r·aise a po'lnl : of privilege related to com ments rnade by the Leader of the Opposition L2706 JunE• 6, 1988 Vol XL whj.ch cast membE!rs of par't:.i.cular, reflections on l:hJs House, but, upon Your Honour. aJ.J. :in I have the transcripts of the news si:or· .iy~; ..:1nd L:he rel.Clled conu.nenl::s on VOCM nE: 'IAJS, IAJhjch I IALi11 r'E!dd j IH i; b I' l e rJ . y r 0 I' y 0 I J • f he reporter said , ref erring to the l.ec:lder' of the Opposltion, ''he said the Speaker do es not have any full control over' l:hem . 11 , r·efe rr ing to members of the House.

The CBC radio transcript headline "Clyde Wells says the Speaker of the House of Assembly has lost control of sorne members. 11 The rE!portE!r went on and quoted him as saying, 11 thE! SpeakE-r, Dr ·. Paddy McNicholas. has lost control of thoSE! mE:'JTJbers." Those are the radio Lranscripts . I also hctU('' the JunE• 2nd c:•dit.: ·io n of The Evening Telegram, Mr.

Speaker. wher e it says, 'Opposition Leader Cl yde Wells finally los t hi.s t emp E~ r' - I 1.vi 11 Table the nE!wspaper, as the rules r·equire. 1\Jo t a clipp in g, bu t the newspaper itself - 'and angr ily call ed on the Sper.~ker to res train the "undisciplined animals 11 on the other side. Later. outside the House the Opposition Leader told a pres s brief .L n g • " I got provo I< G d to day . 11 But he . aJ so said thE· Speal<er, "Cl ea rly cloe s11 1 L have full contro] of ce rta in mc!rnbe r·s of l. hE! 1·1 0 US !.'! , II I Now, MJ". SpeakE!Y', ~i.n prE•senl::i.ng rny ca S('!

I hctU(:~ soJTIC:' r·ef(;!r'E!nces t.1.Jhich I tAJouJ.d JikE! to r·c!fE>r' t:o you, and you will hopefully get an opportunity to read through them and con s:i.dr?r t::hE!Ill bc~for·e you rnakl:! your dE·ci sj,on on this Jnatt.er ·. F ir·st . of a11. I L<r:i.] 1 tE>l1 . You1 h Honour ' l:hal :: I dJ'JJ pr·epar·E =·d to Jnout:~ the appropria LE ! rnot :i.on s ho11Jd YouJ h l·lonour F·i.nd tht'tl: d pr' i.Jna fdcie No. SO R2706

case of privilege has bE:H:~n established. Mr. Speaker, I L1.Jant to quote for Your Honour, and for lriE!ITlbE:H'S of the House, from Beauchesne page 38, paragraph 117, tJJhich refe .r·s to thE! SpE!clker as thE! Presiding Officer.

Paragraph 117, subsection (1) - I am not rE!adtng the whole subsection - says in part: 11 RE!flections upon the character or actions of the Speaker may be punished as breaches of privilegE!. 11 Subsection (2): 11 The PrE!Siding Officer, though entitled on all occasions to be treated with the gr~~C:·ltE!Sl attt=,~ntton and r·espE:!ct by the individual Members, becauSE! l:he pOlAJE:'r, d.i.gni.L:y, and honour· of:­ the:< House arE• ofFicially embodit~!d in his jJ(~rson ... " n~'!i'lUChesn~>., page 14, paragraph 26, Mr. SpE!aker·, -Ln part says: "It :is L:ht'! duty of aJ.l.

ME!rnber·s t.o uphold at all l:imes the author·.i.ty of Lhe Chair, 1nE!F1ecU.ng as it dOE!S thE! House itself. 11 Mr. Speaker, the old Standing 0 r de r s of t hi s 1 E!. g i s 1 at u r e 1 9 5 1 , which lAH:,re used up until the time we reviewed them, which were in effect when the Leader of the Opposition happened to be a member of l:he !·louse, say "in paint: "AspE!rsions upon rnE!rnbers and interference with their official dut::iE!S ar·e bt'·E!achE!S of privileges of IT1E!mbers.

An attack in a nc"!1JJSpapPr to consl:il:ute breach of pr "i.vilE•ge musl :. comE! lAJithin the abovE:' dEd':-in::i.tion, 11 lAJh:ich thj s clearly does, Mr. Speaker.

Parliamentary pcd .nts out:: 11 To a breach of prJui.Jeyc a r·eflE!Cting on t:he Abraham's Dictionary c o n s l: i. l.: 1.1 l.: e ~~l:aternE·nL conduct capaci Ly oF <.·\ 1T1e1nbe1" i.n h.i .s as lr·ue, bul a fliE!lTibc,,r· nE!E!cl not be tt must l.:end l.:o lower L2707 JunE! 6, 1988 Vol XL the House in the eyes of the public 11 which the Leader of thE• Opposition's statement · CC'!rtainly did. 11 When someonE! publishE!S reflections on the House, they will be treated as contempt of the House.

Furthermore, reflections upon members, the particular individuals not. being narnt'>-d or o t hE! rwi s e :i. n d i cat e d , a r· E! equival.ent to the reflections on the House. 11 That is from JoSE!ph Maingot's Parliamentary Privilege in Canada.

There are many morE! from Maingo t, M r . 5 p ~~a k E! r , 1JJ h 'i. c h I wan t: to r e F C'! r to for Your Honour's consideration. 'If one member speaking outside the House 1n(~fJ.c;!cls .irnp1"0pc,,r·l.y on l::he conduct:. of another member's parliamentary ~ctlvllies and the mat·t:er is ra:i.SE!d as a rnattE!r of pr·ivj J.r;!~F! :.i.n l: h C! 1·1 o us c:• , l:. h E• ~3 peak('! r h d ~;; jurisdiction to E!Xarn:ine l:hoSE! 'JJords and de\: .E!r'rni.ne tr t.hert'1 is a prirna fac:iE• caSE! of privi]ege 01" contempt of the House, and Speakers have done so in Canada and in the British House of Commons. 1 Mr.

Speake!r, on June S, 1985, in the House of Commons :in Ottawa, there was an unequi~ocal IAJ i t h cl r· a tAl a l by i: he rn e 1 n b <:! r· r u I" Y u r· k South-Weston, Mr. Nunziata, as a rnat-.l:E!I" of Fact·:, lAJho hi'td cJa:L1ned, o 1" rna d E! c onltll E! n t s o u +. s j cl e l: h l:! ! I o L.l ~; e lAJi.l:h respE!Ct Lo l:hE! ~3peai<er. !-11:', however. had enough integrjty to stand and withdraw. Out of respE!Ct fo1n ·Uw Chcdr and l::hE· House, he withdrew aJl Lhose comments completely and u n ~~ q 1.1 :i. 11 o c a 1 J y .

He o b v ·i o us l y k n PlAJ hE! lAJclS in contE!rnpt of Par·J.·iarnE!nl:., Mr·. ::Jp(~i:\kur·. F I II" t: h f'> I" q U 0 I: (! S [- I" 0 IT! Maingot's Parliamentary in Canada : 'For any No. 50 Jo~:;f:!Flh Privilege p~:!Y'SOI'l l:o R2707

say that a member was guilty of serious misconduct or that the Speaker was not impartial or biased, could amount to acorntmnpt of P<:n·J.iamenl:. 1 AgaJn, Page 215 of Maingot's Parliamentary Privilege in Canada : 'Any suggestion of partiality or bias on the part of a prf:!sj .dJng off i.c er such' as the Speaker shows (ti.SJ"BSi3e:~ct. and c:unounl:s to contempt. Other improper reflect..ions on the Sp(o~akc-?.r i:ll"e also subject ·to House actions.' From Beauchesne, Mr.

Speaker, Paragraph 45, • Reflections on the House as a Whole: Traditionally, articles in the press reflecting badly on the cha rac ter of the House have been treated as conternpts . 1 The Leader of the Opposition has been noted for it on many occasions over the last sever·al weE!kS. Paragraph 46: 'In 1906, Mr . J. E. E. Cinq Mai"S was examinE!d at the Bar for an

article in the press that the House eventually judgE!d to "pass the bounds of reasonable criticism and co n s t i t u 1: e a b rea c h o f p r :i. tJ:i.l e g e s of the House. 111 FJnal.ly, MJ" . Spe<:-l!<er, ju~;t i·.:o p r" e:~ s E! n t ti'll'' c a s P , i f y o u 1 o o k a t i3eauchE:!SI'lE'' s Pdr"<'l91"dph 51 you tAli ll soe: "In 1974 and agaj.n :in 19'76 Members complained about: netiJSpap eJn reports and the Speaker allowed that a pr ima fctcie case of privilege existed. 1 Mr.

Speaker, I v.lill conclude tAdth this final quote frorn Beauchesne, Paragraph 52 , Page 19 , Fifth Ed.i tion, which is very short, very succinct: 'The Speaker should be protected against reflections on hjs act'"ions. 1 Mr. SpeakE!l", I what I havE· subrnit: quoted L2708 June 6, 1988 to you frorn tha r: lhE! Vol XI.. newspaper articles and what every member of this House and what thE! people around this Province heard over the latter part of last w eek certainly do cs anything but: prbtect the House, and do es nothing but cas~ reflec ti on s o n Your Honour and on all rnernbers of th1s House.

Then~ a1" ·e lots oF. cases and lots of evidence wher e these !dnds of situctti.ons have certainly been ruled as a prima faci..e breach of privilege, and I suggest Your Honour has one on his hands here . I tAr:i . 11 tab 1 e the net~Js paper. .?OMj: HO~ __ MEMBI;J~-~ : Hear, hear! MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKFR : ThE! hon. the Lei:'~dE!I" of L he• Opposition . MR. WELLS: Mr. Spe:~ab~r, it is obvious that their basic problem is they afr·ai .d oF truth. fhey \)Jan!:: to anything they can to prevent truth from being discl.osed. MR .

MORGAN: arE! do the Ar(~ wr:~ r:~l"l'! i'lnirndls OUE:'I" hE!r'E!, or' lAJha 1:? Mf\. SPEAI<ER: Or"cil:!l", pl.l'!dS ('!I MR. WELL~> : Min. SpeakE!r, ~it is clear that. thE''Y ar·e~ doing noLh"i.ng b•.1l: vur·tfy:Lng thE! statE>Tnents I rnadE!, and I flltl happy to haue their ·support in that regard. Now, Mr·. SpE!akN', Lo address specif:LCi'tlly t:he cornrnE>nl:.s of the~ hon. rnernbE•r, thE! PrE!Sidenl of the Council., if hE! had quot:r:!d fi"Oin a fu1l tl"anscr·ipt, and 1 do not haVE! No . so R2708

a full transcript with me but I will see tf I can find il now from a mE!mber of the mE!d:i .a who taped t:he entire .i.nl:ervi.ei;.J, he I;.J.i.l.l find, Mr. SpeakE!r, from thE! cornmE:'I'1Ls I made, thal tJJhal:: he reported is only part of them . Ther'c->. t;.JE!re mor'e. rhE! comrnEH1l:.s I made were made in response to a question by a member of the media. I had talked about my inability . t.o address questions in the House because of the constant chatted.ng and shouting from members on the opposite side whenever I stand to speak, and that this had been a problem for some considerable time.

One of the members of the media had said, 'Well, whose fault is that? Is that the Speaker's fault?' That t;.Jas his qUE:'St.ion, and I arn sure ht:' tArilJ provide thE! tape. In rpsponsE'! to Lhdl quE:'Sl~.i.on hC'!rC;! i.s my recollection - I do not pul t.h:is fori;.JC\r'd as VE!r'br:~t. ·:irn, b1tl: I tJJ:ill try to get the tapE! for Your Honour'. My r'c,~coll.ecl'i.on of .it -i.s that my response tJJas, "No, it is not the:~ Spe:'aker's fctult:.

Il: is virtually impossible for him to control members of lhe majority of the House who want to behave in that way, particularly when lhey are frequently led in that kind of behavior by the Prerrd.er hi .rnself . 11 Not;.J, to (·~he bE!S t: of my recollect .ion that:, if not p r C'! c oi s e 1 y LIJ h a t I s a i d , i s t h E! g ::L s t oF what. I said. l'hC;! COflllrlE•nt lAJE!I1t 01'1 (.:0 inc1ude that the Speaker did not have control over those halF a dozen or so members who constantly cause this disruption. That :is essentia1ly the comment and the c"i.rcurns t.ances, M1". ~)pcc'i'lker.

As Your Honour knows, I sympathize t;.ri l: h '( o u I'' H o no u r' ' s d J F f i c 1 t l i: y , r'l n d havE:• fol" somE! ti.n1e, :in t:l~yin~J to rnai.ntain conl:l"ol OI.JC"!r' i:hE! hon. rn c,~ TTl b E:! Y' S . L2709 JunE! 6, 1988 Vol XL With respect to the authorities ci.l:E!d, 1 can onl·y suggE~st to Your Honour that it sur·prised me thcd: the President of the Council would rely on repealed rules or replaced J"UIE!S as ·h:is r:wthor-il:.y. Assurn"i.ng they WE!rE! thE• rules of t.hE! House, thE!Y are c1E!Etr'1y no lon<3C;!r' th•:• rules of this House and so have no force and authority.

I tAJould rE!fer Your Honour to Beau c he s n e , p a g e 1 2 , t hi s i s Uw Fifth Edition, Paragraph 19, subparagraph (3): "Stat.ernE!nts made outside of the House by a Member rnay not be used as the base for' a question of pr·ivi.lege. 11 That is the basic rule . Our' r-ule, to LIJhich thE! hon. g e n t:.l c,~ m i'l. n r· e f e r-r C'! cl -L n l.: 1·1 E! p r· e v :i. o u s rules, may hatJE! a110IAJE:'d it, oul" pi"E•sunl.: I"Ul.,;!S do no!:.. BE:!c:'ILIChe~:;nE• prE!cludE!S it . As Youl" Honour· is r'lWr:li"C'! l.:hc;ll :.

Sl-:.ctl:E!I'nE!I"'l:., ·i,[ 7 !:hE:! fuJJ. statement had been made, dOE!S not c~st any reflection on Your Honour. It simply tPlls the tr·uth about the misbehav'i.our of t:he hon. members opposite, not all of them . I must emphasize I have frequently emphasized this for media: It is not al1 of them. It is a handful of members oppositE! who constantly disrupt t:h·is House clnd prE!Venl: a PI"OPE!r Pl"e~:;er·l+ .. at:.ion of argument, as they are attempting to do today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . SOME HON . MEMBERS : Hear', hear·! Ml~. SPEAI<ER : To that point of privilege .

I -1:-.hjn!< r havP hedrd E:!I'10t.tc::~h. r: hatJE! heard a presPntaLion From both s i. r:l (' ~; . :r: I~J 0 I I J. d 1 j k (:• 1: (l s (: u d y LlJ h ii L has been said and I wil1 have morE:> +:o si'ly <:-1bouL it .i.n d fE!I~J days . No . 50 R2709

Before recognizing the han. member, I would like to 1.\Jelcorne to the gallerie s 30 Grade V students from St . Paul's School, Newfoundland Drive, with their teachE!r', MI"S. Jane Re and 22 Grade VIII student s from St. Joseph 's ElernE!I 'Jt.ai"Y School, Ferryland, IAdth their teac her Jam es D inn . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Heal", hE!ar! Statements by Ministers DR. COLLINS : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : ThE! bon . the Mj ni ster of HE!alth . DR. COLLINS: Mr .

SpE!akE!I", I arn p1eaSE!cl to advise Honourable r"'ernbE!r' S that. the Community Health Branch of the Department of Health will be supporting, as a co-operative venture between the Depar tment and the Association of Registered Nurses of N E~I.ufoundland, thE! implemen tation of a Pr imary Care Nursing Project : A Nurs tng Model. I rntghL jusL add, Ml". ~3pE!akE·r, that. i·.ht=!

As soc i.d'cion dl~~! cur·rc:!nl:.J.y having their· annual rneE!ting ove1" etl: t:he l·loli.cldy Inn and i:hC:!Y l.t.Ji.ll be dealing with this subject at thE:' pr'l'!SE'!I'll: ti.me. ~;o this is i:1 concurrent statement with the activities go{ng on ouor there. The project is organized as a pilot study of a new and way to deliver health services of hi.gh in a cost-effecti ve The Oeparbnent will be app roximat el y $170,000 innovative community quality· approach. pr'oviding on an an nual basis Fo r its L2710 JunE!6, 1988 Vol. XL. duration.

The proje ct is expec_l:.ed to last for three YE!al~s and w:i 11 include a formula evaluation · at the end of this period . The purpoSE! of the dernonstrct~0 ~hat irnpro0ernent in the proj E!Ct :i.s to a rill,!<.~sur·rtblc• hE!aJ.t:h S!:.i;(tUS of selscted communities in Newfoundland can be effected l:hrough U1e provis] .o n oF primary heal th care se rv ices managed and largel y provided by nurses . The projec t w ill pro vide a co rnpre hensJve, co -o rdina ted app roach to the provision of a brodd range of pretJentive and cu ra ti ve nursing services at the co rnmun ·i. ty level.

The geograph ic site for the pro j e c t wi 11 be t h ~: Southern Shore, somewhere betweGn Bay Bulls and St. Shotts . An Advi!:~or·y CornJn:i.t .t.eE '! u1oill bco! established to provjde overall direction and consultation to 1:11e project . The Committee will be co mp ose d of representatives of A.R.N.N., th e Depart ment of He al th , consu mers, and other group s as consi dered app rop riate . It is hoped that the pilot project will demonst rate thai: communit y healt h nur ses can make a ma jor impaci : on dise ase prevention and health pr·omo-tion in co rnrnuniti E•<> or o 111~ P r o 'J ·i n c 0. .

T ~l e 0 e p a r· l: me 11 t o f Health sees this projects as cnha nc i ng ex ls-L i.ng $(~rvi .CI ''S. !Ju, h services are- of increasing significance especially to lhe eldElrly in our Province whoSE! numbers are increaslng. The Association of Registered Nurses of Newfoundland has co 11 abo In ate d · with t h E:• Danish Nurses Organization in the development of this prototype p r i rna r· y heal L h c "''I" E! n u r· s ·in g service. BecausE! the a:.Lrn of t.:h:i.s colJ.abor·at.tve appr·oach is l:.o No. so R2710

d e t)f::~ l. o p El communi t:ies Denmark but the two mode1, not only For in Newfoundland and throughout. the world, organizations received assislc\nce Fr·orn the Worl<;l Ht~ctll.h 0 I" g a n i z a t i o n ( W H 0 ) i n :H.: s p 1 a n n :i n g s l:.agr;•s. Mr·. SpE:'ake:~r, I IAJould like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Association of Registered Nurses of Newfoundland for initiating this most important project in the provision of health care for the people of our Province. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Ht~ar, hear! MR. EFFORD: Ml". SpeakE:1r . MR. SPEAI<ER: nw hun. l.:hc" rnr:!rnber· Fur Pol"i: de" Gl"aVE!.

MR. EFFORD : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are pleased, certainly, to hear this news today. I do not think it could corne at a better l:irne and a timE:~ of more need when we know of the number of elderly and senjor citizens who have to stay in their co1nrnunil:.:i.E!S b1:•causE! ther'E! is not enough avajlable nursing home beds, along with the situation with the health care system in all thE! hospi .tals around !:he:~ Province IAJhei"E• pE!Ople haVE! to bE! adrni ttE!d to hospitals, espE•cially our senior citizens. Certainly this is a very, very worthwhile project.

Ther e are rnany, many cases you heal" of From day to day in colnrnun:i l·:.-:l.es IAJher·e SE! ni.o r· ct·l.:i.zcc!ns are liuing at home with Alzhelrl'lur· 1 ~; d:LS(!dS(" dnd lfl·il'lY ol.ht:!r pr·obJ.ems. ThE!InE! :is <"'lso just UlE! L2711. ·June~ 6, 1.9B8 Vol XI . genGraJ. de~y -to-df.ly cdr(:! people :i.n the c·ornrnunities nE!ed . ThE!re is a gr(~aL need for t:h:i.s type · of development, not only in this pal"t of 1\JeJJ.Jfoundl.c~nd \AJhE!rE! il. is go :i.ng to be tried, in BclY Bu11s to St .. Shotts, but all over the 'Provi neE!.

I undE!Instand thE! rE!C:·lson it oi.s go.ing l:.o bE! tr·:i.E!d in l::hE! first instanCE! in thts par·U.culc:u· area is because it is close to the head office here jn St. John 1 s. Certainly, that is not to bE! critical. of thf.lt, but: what LIJe wouJ.d like to see, Mr. SpE!akE!r, is much, rnuch rnore rnonc;•y put into the community development nursing care project, so it is could be impJernented in less than three years, bc:~C<HISE! I do not Ud .nk it is necessar·y fol" it Lo take thr-·c·e ye<:lJ"S of study .

It: is c~ Jnat.t:el" of just putl·:ing l:hE! pr·ogJ"arn togE·ther d n d g E! !:. l.: j n g 1-.: he rn one y l:: o p u l:: 1: h 1:• nurses to work in the communities. IF !:he Mi.ni.sl-.:c:!r' of Hr:~c:-~lt:h ts nol:. going to make sure there arE! enough beds open "i.n l:he hospitals and not enough nursing homE~ bE!Cls, t h E• n t h i s :i. s R s u b s t. i. t.u !:: E! a n d a very, very worthwhile project. We certainly congratulate the Association of Registered Nurses. We IAJ:L] J stand bE• hind thc•rn a11 t..he lAJi:~y :in lni3.king sur·E:~ Lhat Lh'l.s project does get off' the gr·ound, 1'-1 r .

S p e a k e r , a n d cl o E! s b e c 01 n r:" a project: aJ.l NN1rfoundland can avcdJ of. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . MR. LONG : Mr. Speaker. Mr~. SPEAI<ER : ·r he h o n . L hE! rn E!lll b u r· F o I" :~) t-.: . J o h n 1 s Ea~~t . MR . LONG: No. 50 R2711

Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr. Speaker, we WE!lcorne thE! announcement by the minister and see it as a very positive initiative inasmuch as it brings a pr·opr:'r focus on situations in this Province at present with the deJ.iver·y of health carE! in lAJhich there i.s a ver•y rr:~etl bHtsi.on I:H:~tween thr:~ imiTIE!diate nE!E!d for· an infusion of funds to respond to acute care and the needs of the hosp itctls, but this being in a certain kind of conflict with the l o n g - t. o r· m n e (,' d s of r r:w r· -L r~ n 1:.

"i. n g f.l n d restructuring the whole health dc,~l"LVE:'r'Y system and lllc~!d.ng 1-:horn both rnorc-'! cost effr:~ctive, more valuablE:~ dnd essenl·.: "i.al -:i.n t:r:~r·1ns of pr·oviding a differen ·t kind of car·e. The project the minister has announced today is an excellent initiative on the part of government, not only on its own ter ms , but also a signal to the people of this Province and to the professionals in the health care system that we need to moue toward community-based, prevent ive care models for the future. Mr.

Speaker·, thr:~ only r·r:~al problr::!m I have with the minister's s t·. a 1:. em e n 1- t s h t;! ~; a 1J s i t lAJ :i. 11. t:. <:'l !< r:~ a t hr ee- yea r period to implement rhe pr oject . fh ere i ~, pcH ·h aps , an in rpl'i.cit sug gestion thE• d~pdr tme n t IAJJ1.1 noi. be tilblE! to init ia t& an y other such Llnderta!dngs un t ll IJJ( ~ SC'.lP. IAJh Ht thjs pilot project prod uc es at the end of three yedrs. Thare is a real ne ed for the depa rtment and thr~~ goVE!rnrnr:'nt ·l:o do mor·e ·i.n t··.h·i.s al"Pa l"ight nm~J.

Mr. this might that L2712 Speaker, we look Forward to pi .J.ot. pr·ojE!Cl: .. 11\1('! <:~l.so takE :! thE! opportun:l ty to say ~JJe, in l::his party, ar·e June 6, 1988 Vol XL undertaking our own investigation into the health care needs of the Province and the people of · U1e Prov:i.ncE:~, and vJr:~ IAJ:i J.l. cons:ldr:~r· this lAJhole direcU.on of cornrnuni ty care as one part of ou r own investigctU .on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . AN HON. MEMBER: I·J~~ar, hr:~ar! MR . BLI1NCHARD : Mr. Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: Thr:' hon. l:he M·:i.nts+:er oF Labour. MR . BLANCHARD: Thatl!<"you, Mr. SpeakE!r' . Mt" .

SpeakE•r, I wish l:o l"E!FJOr·t to l.:hj_s hon. House! on t:h''' circumstances surround:lng the aiJJi:H'd of a tpncler· for· !:hE! supply of office accommodation on bE!ha1f of the Workers' Compensation Appeal Tribunal. Briefly, the facts of this tE!nder· may be summarized as foll.ows: 1. The request from the Department of Labour in 1981 to tender For 2,523 squar'E! feEd.: of ofFicE! spr.lcE· r-~or l.hE! hlor·ker--~~· CoJnpens-al ·i.cn AppeaJ. Trib unal. d:Ld nor: JTJi:lke any oxpliclt rnference to specia l requiremen ls or excepl::1ona1 c o n ~; j d c:· r <'"t t. :i. o n :; . /. .

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f) E:! p a r t 1 n e n 1: of Public Works and Ser vices adl.JC:!r'l::i.sucl on beha l r~ o·F l:he Department of Labour· 1/JdS based on a general specification For public, offjce-type accommodations. This specification makes only very g E:! n l:! r· a 1 t" E:• ·F E:! r· e n c e t: o p c'l r k "i n g s p d c '" be:lng adequate, space being acCC:!SSibl.e, and occupancy bE!·inq No. SO R2712

within a short perlod of neither case, however, scope of t:h(:1SE! thr·eo precisely defined in • - • J • sp~~c:t.l .. 'l.cac·t.on~;. tim~?.. In is the cr:i.h:~rj .a general 3 . [ l E! V C'! ll bid s IAJ H r· 1:1 r E! C e J. lJ P d c\ tl d :i.nsp~~cl:E!d by l:hE! DE!palntiTIE!nt of Public Works Accommodctlions Division and by Mr·. David Buffett of the Workers' Compensation Appeals Tribunal. A written commentary on the features of each property was forwarded by the Deputy Minister of Public Works and Services to the Deputy MinistE!r' of Labour.

This referral made no recommendation, but referenced the need for the Department of Labour to obtain Treasury Board approvi3.l J.f an at.~Jard was l:o be made to o'l:hE•r than the lowest bidder. 4. On July 1, 1987 the Deputy Minister of Labour requestE!d T r' ~~as lH' y B o i~t r d d p p r' o v d l. to s e l. e c t the bid of Ter-ra Nova EnterpriSE!S, w ~ri. c h i s t h e c e n 1:. r a J. T r u s I~ Building, the highest of thr·ee I: hey cons oi.dPr'ed eligible 011'1: of the total of eleven bids rnce:i.vecl . The,~ o·l::h<::'r tl.o~.JO IJJC:!rf:!

Terra Nova EntE!rprises (Telephone Building) and Atlantic Office Propert ies (the former Evening TcJ.l::•gnwt bu :i.lcl ·i.nq). L•.Jhi.ch IAJHI"E! t.hL'! first and third ranked respect:i.veJ.y, :in t.er'ms of price:!, arnong tht:• elevE•n rE!CC~d.ved. Il :. IAJa ~; al~guc;!d l::ha1: . the h"ighE!r' annual rc'•nl: . of $8,452 to be paid for the Ci'::~ntr·al Trus l:. Bu:i .lcl:i.ng compar·~=!d t:o the lowest· bid received was warranted, given the conventence of location withirr the City and the availability of am~le parking.

Treasury Board staff a c c r:! p ·1': e d t: h "' s ~~ <:·1 r· g urn C'! n l:. s , and approved l:.he aL\Jal"d for the Central rrust spacE'!. r"'r . Spec~k0.!r', Lhulnl'! -j s no I 2713 JunE! 6, 1988 Vol XL suggestion that any illegitimate considerations were taken into r'ICCOUni· . j,n alllcli"CJ-i.ng t:lri.s tender'. Indeed, thE.' sam<::1 company, Ter·r·a ~.Jov•:t l·':n·l:t:!rpi ""i.Sc!S , subiTti.ttPd l::he bid that IJJC:~S thE:! J.ot~H~St pr-·ice ouera11, including three parking spaces, at an annual rent:al oF $29,011~ .

Thi.s cornpiH'E•d to d b'id of $29,998 with 4- parking spacE·s by KaiTtpa L:i.m:i.t.:(:•d, and $31,353 \).J.-it:h six parking spaces separately char~ed at $3,600 per annum, by Atlantic Office Properties . Ashely HoJ.dings submitted a bid of $37,214 for space which was not accessible handicapped persons.

These pr·oc<::>clures compJ.·ied t.o~.ril::h l~he provisions of the The Public T e n d c;! r' A c t a n d p r o c e d u I" ~~ s a s t1·1 E! y stood at thE! date of c~I.~.Jar·clinc~ of .. t: h :i s p r.·t r +:. i c u l. a r· c o n 1: r' a c L: . [ no l: c:! that the new Public Tender Ac l Pl"OCl.d:iirlCI:I i.n Fur·c·:· (li'l r•Jc)Vto!lrlb~:!r' 1., 1987, now ljmits the level of s u b j t'! c l-L lJ J. I: y d s s o c i. a l:. ''! d I.AI i. l: h ~; l,l c h tE!nder aL!Jalnds. It is important to cleal"ly s ti•ltE! for the recor·d that UlE!

E!lrtphas·is placed upon acCE!SSHdJ.it.y fot" thE! hanc1Jcc:·1ppf:!cl r:'tnd i'lVc1J1ab'il.it:y of ample parking for thE! public was Fully IJJarr'r.1nt.r:!d, even ·"i.f not prE!Ci.SE!ly identifiE'd in the tenciE•r' doc untH n l":. r'l 1-. i u n . T he W o r' k C:! r· s ' C o 1 n p e n s a 'l:. i o n A p p r• ,, l ::; Tribunal is a board wiLh a permanent:. staff that deaJ.s wilh comp]ex and difficult reviews of Workers' Compensation entitlE!TIIE!nt. Many appellants ai"O limited :in Uwtr · mobil.i.ty, and I have no difficulty, Mr.

Speaker, "i.n stancl -i.nq bc'!fOI"e l:h:is Hous('! cl u t" i. n c~ 11 A c c E! s s AIAJa r en,,. s s lrJ (;!Ed< 11 1".. o ~,:;'ly that·. I co1nplol·:Hly and emphaticaJ.Jy support Lhe dec.l.sion t:o disqualify the non-handicappocl accessible bidder . No. SO 1~2713

The adequacy of pub1Jc par·ktng ls also a significant conCE!rn and it is appare~nt that the thr·ee lobJes t bids which were handicapped accessible did not meet Lhe implied criterion of generous public parking. While 'it is Y'E!gre!tta ·bl.E• that t.hi s n~:·E!d lA.ia S not make explicit in the tender documE!nt, I fe!el that hon. mE!mbers must agrer::~ +:hat. such a Tr·-Lbun;:~l must be physically available to the public at large,~. It tA.IouJ.d b~~ impractical and inappropriate not to have suffic tent parking for the public. Tn

summary, Mr . Speaker, il i:lppeai"S upon r·r::~view that th·.is contract w~s appropriatGly author·:izE:~d in accoJ"dancE:~ !AJil :h the t: h ('! 11 e x i s '1:. ::i. 11 g l e g :i. s l r:t t -L o n . FudJ·H:'I", any subjectivity in l:hE! evaluation process wcts solely motivated by the preceived, and Lh(~ r(~al, nE!E!d to mak(:~ sur·e Lhat: the facility was completely accessible to the whole of the public, and not just the few for whom reserved parking would be available. fhank you, Mr. Speaker . MR. TULK: Mr· . Speake!r . MR . SPEAKEr~ ; The hon. the lfl(~rnber· for· Foqo . Ml~. TULI<: Ml".

Sper:d<E:'I", I Lhank the rn:in'.is-Ler For· a copy of h Ls r·epJ.y, dS such. but I lAJouJd ask thE! minister· about l:hi .s: lie! rnado i'\ statement: -Lhc-1.l: thr::~ l~easons <H'E! very s l:raight for'L•.I< :'tr d . T wo,tl.d ,:1sk L:he rn:i.nj.s l:J,!I": If ·the,' answers to those CJ U ('! S l:: ·j 0 J'l S i:'t I" C• S 0 S l: r· c1 "i.lj h l: (:- 0 i"I .>.Jd r· cl , t.uhy ha.s :it: takE!I'l hilfl sinct'! Apr·:i.l 19Lh l:.o supply Uwrn? Ml". Sp~:!aker, 1-.:he nr:i.ni s l:.('!r ha:; rn<.'lde L2714- June 6, 1988 Vol XL an attempt to explaJn what goes on here .

I will t a k e a J. i. t t l e more bu.t I in :L t time and study thH attempt, see a few littlE! loopholes already . He rnakE!S Lhe' po:Lnt. to us l:hat thE' spE!Cificati.ons, lAJhE•n they L\JE•nt out from the department for this tE!nder call, mak(:~ only 11 VE!r'y genc~r·al referencE! to pnrk in g space being adequate, space being acce .ssible. and occupi,'lncy l:>el.ng within a s hart period of time. " There is no precise definition. Yet, when the bids are awarded, there is a very . precise · dof-i.n:i. tion. r.

L\JOIIlc:l suggest Lo Lhe hon . gentleman that the preciseness s1"·.c:-1.r'tlo!d to come:~ <'\bout i'lS c:t r'E!SUJ.t of a letter writt en to the:' . Deputy Mt ni. s b :1 r of I. A bou I" by HH ~ Cha j_ r1111U1 of the Workers' Compensation Appea1 Tr-i.L1unal, who 'is aho the law partn er of a 25 percent own er ln that fir m; the preciseness started to come about at that point. Mr .

Speaker, the Deputy Minister of Labour mad e a request to Treasury Board and I again have to ask the Minis ter of Labour this eve ning if he mad e that refe renc e to Tr~::~asur ·y fio<'lrd specifically L)J'l the ba sis of the recommendations 1nc1de to h:irn by l:.he Cha .. il"ll'l i:1n, ~~1". Buffett, of the Workers' Cornp(~nsal·.'ion :ippedls l'l"·ibundl.. Js that where the preciseness and the VC:!r'y pl"ec:isr~ i"equil"~'!l'ilent-.·.s c<.·llne about. at that po:int? That :.i. s thl':· CJU8!; L..i.on answer. 1·.hn rn.i ni. s I c:.r· hds l:.o Mr.

Speaker, he also gO es on to 1 c 11. 11 s , " T i: was a r' g' 1 ~~ d l· h a 1- t. II e higher annual rent of $8,452 to b~ p.d .u ror· Lh8 C~!ntr·a1 Trus 1: Buildjng compa red to the lowest b i. d r· e c wi. v e d wa s tAla r-r- a n t l.~ d . g l v e n No. 50 R2714-

the convenience of location.within the C"i ty and the availability of ample-?. park ·i ng." I Si'lY to l::hu mi.rl"i.s t-.r~r U10 Workt:!r's 1 CornpE!nsa tion Appc :'ctl Tr·ibunal is a Boc\i"d IAJh tc h Ls rnot"r::! or l.ess on c:i·r·cuit. Much of j Ls work takE!S place;;! out.s·ide l:hn CJ l:y c\nd T IAJOuld suggest to him that: a lot of the cLi.E:~nl-.s - i.t is r.J.bsolutely so --T would sugg~~st to him that many of the clients who comE:~ to th-i.s Appeal Tribunal do not need parking space. Let me tRke it a little bit further. He goes on and he talks about l:he overall price.

At one point there is nothing specific and at another point thE!re is something specific, three par·king spaces, four· parking spaces and so on. He also tTklkE!S l:J-le poi.n't. l:hal:: l::hE! handicappE!d WE ~re onE! of thE! primE! cons"LdE!r·ations. He is honourE:!d to stand jn t:his HouSE! during 1 AccE!SS Awar·en< '!SS Week 1 and sdy how important the handicapped were. YHl ·:, IAJe pr·e,1sent.nd h:i.rn IAJ'i.Lh a report done by a handicapped person, who was well capablrn of doing it, some two IAJeeks ago, or a+.: ledsi: i'l l•.wnk ;,1nd d h<:~lf i'lgo, IAih :i. C h S h OIAJ(o! cJ L h i.·l t l.l ·1 (o! J.

OIAIE! S [. t:E!ndur·, Atli'ln L:-i c Pr ·oper ·l i.C:!S U:d., was the building which had the greal.:esL accPss Fur Lhu hand:icdppE!d, not thE! building t. a k e n a t t h r· e E! cl o l. l a r· s r.J. s q u d r· e foot more per year. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, heat"! MR . TUII<: - So I say to l:he ministE!r, IAJh:i.J .e he has altE:!Jnpted l:".o E•xpla-Ln l::u us C:'lnd to the public of Ne1AJfouncl1and IAJhy j_ [: IAJa S 1: h d l: t h i ~; I:J 1.1 j_ l_ d j 1'1 g , d j~ fourteen dollars and eighty-five L2715 J 1.1 I"H'! 6 , l 9 8 8 Vo1 XI ..

CE:Hl ts a squcH'E:~ foot, thr'eE! doll.cH'S and eighty-fiv~ cents more than cHl o l: h u J" b u :i.l cJ-i. n g , l.o~Ja s t a k E! n for the Workers 1 Compensation AppE!als r ,~ j_ b II n r'l l. ' T s i'l y ,._ 0 h :i. rn l:: he r·· e i:'l I" LC! factors surrounding that l:endE!r h (:! II S (:;! c:l 1: h f'! IA)O I" r:i 1 S Ll b _j f'! C {.: -i_ V j_ [:_ y 1 • MR. SPEAKER: - ~-- Order, please! MR. TULK: subjective. The .whole~ pr·ocE'!SS IJJas The minister still expl'a:ird.ng to do and we some morE! questions to b.he mor·n:lng . has some 1.o~Jill have ansiAJE!r in SOME l-ION. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR.

FENWICK: Mt~. SpE!ClkE!Y' . MR. SPEAI<ER: The han. the member for Menihek . MR. FENWICK: Just"' feiAJ co1rnnE:~nts, Mr. SpedkE!r' . The minister makes reference, on th(~ f-Lr·sl: pagn of his sl:at:!:'!ITient, that thE! 11 SpE!C:ification rnak(!S only v<:~ry gEHH-?.r·al tneferences to plu·k:i.ng space being adr:'quate, space bEdn~1 i" C C (! S ~; j b ]_ ('! , II d 1'1 c:l S () () 1'1 , T IAJO ul d i.mc.~ g :i n n , 1-hun , 1·: l1 '" l: L he rni 11 iS t (;!I" IAJO U 1 cJ haVE! 110 I" E! J.

Ll C [: cl 1'"1 C C::• IAJhi'IL soe~JE'r' 1-:o t·:.db-11 ;! l··.he 1locurn en~ .~~ used in ask::i.ng fot" lE:!nciE!I" b:i.cls on LhJs so we could have a look at it: o u r· s e 1 v E' s , s :i n c e t h a t s '~ ern s t_ o b t:· a kE'!Y Fiar't of t.hE! explanation l:he rnin-Lster is putting Forward . Actual1y, the explanati .on he SE!E!fns to be,~ pul::t: ·i.ng Fot'IAJat"d ·i.s that: t:he IAJholE! thjng IAJas l:wrE·c-wcrcd.. :.i.c s]opp:iness 'i.n l~he S(!l'lSE· t:hai: yc)u never clear1y defined what you IAJd rl t_ <:! d ··i_ i'l f: h (! f' •i_ t' ~;; J-. p l_ d C (" d 1"1 d [:. h (" 11 put out For it.

Although Lhat rnay 1\Jo . ~>O 1~2715

or may not hold up, one of the things that is quite curious is the minister now admits that under the new procedures proclaimed on November' 1, 1987, that that lN:'tAJay would not have been allowed. If I recalJ. cor-rectly, the ·Legislature last sat in June of 1987 and that rH:!W lE!gislat.i.on would have been fully passed through first, second and third reading, and Committee stage in this House.

Thc,1y would hr.we been given Royal Assent towards the end of J u n e , a n d , -L n f C.·\ c t , 111t "! t' e 'i. n a pretty good position for both thE! rwi. n j_ s 1": E'! r d n cl h :i. s D (:1 p u t y M :i. n -i. ~; 1:. E~ r t:o knot.~-J what thE:~ requiTE:Hnents !Ale r' 1'::' • r h (:~ f c:\ C t 1". hE! y IAH:~ r' E! 1'1 0 1-·. proclaimed until November 1, I IAJOl.IJd 51199<:~5 1-., .i.s SOiflC:'IMhi"d.: academic. The gu:idE~linE:'S and lhr:~ n <'!IAI 1 f;!y is lC:'t 1·. i.o n 1,;_}('! J"B l:. he I" c:!' r:\ nd Lo not folJ.ocu -t:hern, l wouJ.d suggE!Si .. , "i.s cl.(:!ar-l.y 'Ln<:'\clequi:l.Le.

The other' th"i.ng, I Hri.nk, whtch 'i.s probably the key to it is maybe the Chairman of the Board himself, a Mr. Buffett, who · I understand in his latJJ ·Firm doE:'S have some contact with other individuals IJJho are involved with the ownership of the building, maybe we are actually chc:-~sing the IAJr'ong person hE!Y'E! by u1ay of the MinistE!r ·of Ht::~allh. PE!Y'haps t.:hC'! cont.ac t bE~ LlAJBE!n UlE:' Cha :i r'rnan of t.:he Board, h·is lc'l.IJJ foir 'm, dnd so on, i:H'(~ mor'e l:hE! r'E:!ason Uds part:iculai" offiCE! s p a c e IAJ a s t a k E~ n , t.o.J h i. c h l.o.kl s c l.

E:~ cH' 1 y rnor'e expE!I1SiVE! than other's i~VC:•\ 'iJ.;:~bl (:'. Al.l: .o gE ~t her', Mr'. SpE~r:\ker', T r:\rrl nul: . ouer]y impressed with the expldnat:ion dnrl I 'AIOitlr:l r:c:!r'i.:i:1 ·in1y J.·ike to ~>Co!E• t:.hl:! t.l:!ndet" document~;. T I'H'! y rna y s 1.1 p p or· 1··. t'lt!H' C:' IAJI'l ;,, l:. I· h C'! minis ter has said. MR. OOYLE : L2716 JtJne 6, 1988 Vol XL Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the M"i.ni.stE!r of Transportation. MR. DOYLE : Mr. Speaker, I arn pleased t.o announcE:! to the hon.

HouSE! today y e 1:. a n o 1:. h e r- l. i s t o f p r' o j e c t s valued at $10.18 million to be p u b l..i c l y b:Hl d EH' E:! d b y tn y d e p a r t rn E! n t over . thE! nE!Xt fE!W weE•ks for h'lghtJJRY pav"i.ng and ·-Lrnpr'OVE:Hnents throughout the Province. Mr. Speaker, these improvement projects, which will be carried 01 .11:. clltY' 'ing +.:h(~ :1.988 const:r'uct .. i.on seas on, tAli ll be funded E! n t:i rely by the~ Pr'OIJ"i.nc:c'! unclel" ITIY cleparLinE•nt' s road and bridge rehabilitation -.:i. rn p r' o ventE:! n t i-1 n d cons l: r' u ct. -Lon pr-ogr-arn.

The pr-ojects to bE! tE·nder-ed ar'e as r=- o 1 J. o , ... , s : l.l p g r' a cl -:i. n g ~:; t'! c t:. :L o n ~; o I Pacquet; ShOE! COVE! and WiJ.d CoVE! ror'\ds; r-epli:lC<:! a IAIOOd('!l1 bri.dgle\ at Wild Cove with a concrE!tE! bd.dgE!; cotnpl.~~t<,~ proj( :!c t of a nc'!tAJ bridge on Pacquet River; upgrading the rnai.n r'oad thr-ough l:he cornrnuntt:.y . of Harbour DeE!p, in thE! district of Baie Verte - White Bay : miscellaneous road work jn the Bay of Islands; pRving of Route 205 Hi11vi E!u l tot.uards St.

Jones W:LUdn, ·i.n B(:!ll.E!V:-i.f'tAJ; coutplt:!t:·ing th:::! project on Hillview Lowards SL Jun~:·s Wit .h·in, i.n L.hu clisl.:l"i c.L uf BEdleviE!tJJ; upgr-ading and pc:w:.i n~J v ''' r' :.i. o u s r' o a < I ~; :i n 13 o n a \J i s t·.: a ~3 o u L: h ; completing a project on the C Y' f~ S·l··.

U l'l C r'\LI S E"IAir.-1 y 11 Y' i. d lj lo! , i. l'l 13 t.l F' i 1'·1 PJ.acenU .a W(• st; compl.ete tht "! p r' o j f~ r: t. o n L h f:• V.l :i. n t e r J d n cl I~ o <:·1 d , :i. n the d-.:i. sl:.l"i.c t of Bur-:in ·-· PlaCE'!nl::·:.La W {:~ s I. ; r' !'' p .l. d c n 111 e n :: o F i"l b ;;~ i. l e y bl"'idgE• at. [·j ttJ.E:' 13ay IAJJ l.h COI'iC I"eL E:! b r' :i. cl g c~ , ·i n l. he d "i. ~; "l: I" ·j c l:. o F 31.11" i. n P1acent::i.a WE!st; upgr-ad :in9 Tt"iccos 1\ o <'1 cl ·i n i: !:! r' ~; e c l:. i. o n 1.u ·i L l1 1.: h e r C 1-1 , i n the district of Conception Bay No. 50 R2'71.6

South; miscellaneous road work in Fen·yl.and; cornpl.e I:E~ a proj E!Ct of repairs to a culvert brJdge on Wi t.l. c,~ s s 11 a y 1.. in l,~ , J. n t: he d ·is t: r· .i. c t of Fei'Tyl and; r·epa:irs to Route 220 ·i. n S t . 1.. a lAir E~ n c P j n C r· i'\1'1 d 13 <.Hl k ; r·c->.suJ~fac:ing Gi"Nl'fE!]1 Heighl:s E x l:. ('! n s j, o n i. n C I" r't n d F "' J. J s ; construclion of ct bridge on the Sunday CotJP. Ttckll':' CaiiSBIAJi'\Y i.n Gr·een Bay; rrdsce]lanE !OUS l"oad work as IAJE:~ J.

J. i. n Gr· e en B Ct y ; con t -L n u e 1:: he:~ ugr·o.ding of the ma:in r·oad through J a c k s o n 1 s ~ r' lfl r.Hl d v a r -i. o 1 1 s o t h e r roads in Humber Val1ey district; hydroseeding of an extension to Commonwealth Avenue, in the dist.r'i.cl:: of Mount Peiu·l; compl.E~t.e pl~oject, removal of a West MinE•s Bridge, :in !:.hE:~ distr-i.ct of Mount Scio/Bell Island; miscellaneous road 1.1.10rk in St.

Bad)(->.; rep.;;d .rs to Piccos bridge, upgrade Roaches Road, colnplC'!L~E· paving of 1. .5 kilometers in Flatrock, 1 k.ilorneter in Pouch Cove, 1 kilometer in Shoe Cove and 1 ld.lomc->.t:el" of Baul tm~ r'Oi'\d, i.n t.hE! district of St. John 1 s East Exh~rn; t.he i.ns tal.latton of a culvert bridge at St . Stephen 1 s, in St. Mary 1 s - The,~ C<,1pe:~s; misceJ.laneous road l.o~.Jork in St. Mar·y 1 s -.. lhE~ Cdpes; pawi .ng of 9. 5 kJlometers of Route 234, l .. te>-!:hbr•-i.dgu lO Jr:~IIIE~St:OIAJrl; dl1d 1.

IJ. lcil(Jnle t.E•i"S of Ccunr:.Lng s Cove Road, 'i.n lh e cli.st.r· :i.c t of Tt '·r ·r·,"~ 1\lova; i·h r'! upgrading of community roads in Co c1 ~; J:r::tl I. cotl:n · i,H'I CH' c!) lrli'llll n i. [·. -L c'! ~~ i. n To1"ngat Mounl:a:ins; I"E!pJ.acE!rriE!n t of d con c I'' n l: c;! b r' :i. c I g t:! a!-.: !" u c k !; Co tJ o on Route 80 in Trin ity - Bay de VE!r'cif~; pav··ing oF Wh 'i.rl.pond Rodd, Pol"t Rext:on, 1. 6 kiJ.ometE!rs, Tr'.i.n .. i.ty Norl::h; upgr·adi.ng approximately 3 kilometers of Burgoines Cove Road; and rnis cE!llanE!OUS r·oad l.o~.Jork, as lAJPll, in Trinity North. Mr.

Speaker, the projects represent L2717 June'! 6, 1988 abov0 named approximately Vol. XI.. 27 per cent of my department 1 s prouincial.ly funded roads program. This, combined with· my E~<.'lrJ .-Lc"~r stal.:ernE!ni: t:.o l::hi. s House, wil1 rE!SUlt in E!XpE•nditurE! of $ 3 {j . IJ. 3 1T1 i. J. J. ·j 0 11 IAI h j C h r• E• p r e ~; E'! n [:·. S 9 :;_> pE!I" CE!nt of the program. ThE! r·c,~nktin 'l nq '!;3. 1:i'/ ITJ:i.J.l-icHl ·i.~; dr::•vol ·ed to calcium chloride, pauememt r·c :!pi'\ 'i.I"S, CJI"i:'ln t··.~; C:'tl·id othC'!r' miscel1aneous projects.

The process oF E!al"ly tendc::H'ing in transpol"tati.on pr·ojc,~ct.s hds IAJor·kc:!d extremely well, resulting in most proj ecl:s bE!i .ng compl.E! h'•d t.~.d l:hin the same SE!ason. I lAJould J.ike to remind thE! hon. HOUSE! that . i.t "i.s difF'.icu1.l: to addrE!SS alJ. of our transportation r·c,~qu i.rernen l:s on an ilnrrtedia i:e basis, but I fE:!E.J. much pr·ogrE·ss is be 'i.ng marie. Many signiFicant irnpl~ovE!ITIE:!nLs havE• bE!E!I1 ITidci E:! to Lhr• tr·anspor·tal:i.on :i.nfr·as l:t"Uc tur'( '! in practically every region of NeiAJfoundl.r:-lnd c'1nd Lr-1br·ador. Th-i.s some YE~CIY', $70 Mr.

Sper:-1ker, will. see milJ.ion worth of prouinci.aJ. and fGderdl/prov i.nc ial. projects undertaken by ~Y d (~par· LlllE! n 1·: !.o~.Jh .i. c h IAJi.ll. bE! of significant benefit to the con~;i:r'llc:tion J.nd11~;t1"Y. ::>Or'l:: : HOI\!. MFMB E f~S : liear·, hE!iH'! MR. GILBERT : Mr . Speaker . Ml~ . SPEAKER : ThE~ hon. the mE!ITibE!I" fo1" BUI"geo - l3i'\Y d 1 Espo -i.r·. MR . GILBERT : M1~. SpE!ak er, 1.1.1e c olnpl.c,~t:.i .o n of th E! for this yE :!ar. hav e pOI"k see n th e barr elling When I see the mini ster stand up - J\Jo. ~>o 1~271'7

this is his thil"d stagE~ of announcing thE! projects for this yeal" - I get the distinct feeling that the minister feels he is dispensing Tory Party funds instead of taxpayers 1 money from the Province of Newfoundland and L.abr·ador. I sE~e he'! cE·r·tainl.y di.d not fol1ol.o~.J the adviCE! Ol" the recommendations of the;! AudibH' General, who said the highway funding in Newfoundland was by his department. There were no guidelines and there was no procedure used in the dispensing of these funds. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPF.AKFR : Orde:'r, p1~~i'\~;E!! MR.

GII..flEI~T: The projecf·.s t;.JC!r'C:' .;~nnottncorl in I~J.o c k I t.l..I~H- hou t s ayl ng s pE! ci f·.i. cally hot.o~.J rnttch 1.o~.1as dl.J.ol.:L(;!d fol" ~)i.·1ch ono in the vari .ous districts. I know the minister is going to say the reason for· that .is becaust~ they have to go to public tE!ndel". If thal:: ·Ls the-?. caSE!, u.Jhy l.o~.Jould he,~ have someone from his office phone down to McCallum last week and tE!l.l a kno1.o~.m Tor·y clol.l..ln there that there was go ing to be $100,000 spent in McCallum?

I am sure this tAl a s cl o n E! , a n d E! v e r· y rn ~~ rn bE:~ r· o v t'' r thE!r'E~ knol.o~.Js how much is going to be spent in his district. T think it: is cl sharn and a charade the minister is going through. As l:.o l::he l.ist·. i.+:.~;elf, r. nol:i.cr,, there is paving for· ConcE~pt:'.ion Bay So u t h . l d o n o l': s C::! (~ 1:\ n y L h i. n g f o r Round Pond Road, but I guess that u.Ji .l.l c: n trW ··l.i:'t t:E:! r· . [ ci"i rl no 1·. ·j c P Ct"and Fa11s.

L.asL IAJE~ek, the member"· for CIA•Utd /7 i.d l.s dnnotrncud $2 1)0,000 fot" Ct'·arrd Fa1.1s in t.he prt~SS, r'tl'lci J Sf'~(' .i 1.: i.s i.'ll'll'lOlll'lCC:~cl 1..2'718 Jurre 6 I 1988 Vol XL hE!I"e in this statement today. To rne, thi.s sor:Hns to sor·t. of d<:!S tr·oy any purpose the minister has· in str'tnding in this House and announcing those proj E!Cts.

Why dof;!s he nul:. adrrd.t thai·· . .Lt: .. i.s just a pork barrelling process and a sham, rhspE!rts i.ng money in Tor·y districts, and not go to Uw b o t: h t·H' of t r• y ·:i. n g t. o ·f o o 1 t he peop]e of Newfoundland by announcing those projects in the way hE! has? SOME HON. MEMBERS : H ear· , l·w a r· ! MR. FENWICK : Mr. Speaker. MR ~ SPEAKER: Th:~ hon. i•ht'~ rncmbc:~r· for Mc'!ni hc,~k. MR. FENWICK: lhcHlk yotr, Mr. SpcakurA . Ml~. FENWt CK: Mr.

SpeakE!r, in mathE!rnatics t.her·e i s a r· r t1 t-:~ t h 1:d: y c11 1 c a n n o t g l'~ t c'l more accurate answer than you have dccurdh~ irrformati.on brought in, so if you round off numbers to gr·oss nurnbE!r's, you cannot-. ha~JE! <9.1'1 answer to about six or seven deci .rnal plact~s . ,'ll)r·. :3pC'!dkt '!r'.

I look .~ 1.: Lhis par·U.cuJ.ar J:i.s l: and r·E~nrat'·kc!b1y t:.hc'~t·'H ·i.s no!:. a s-Lngl.(;• dollar· s.i\jn o n t h e 1 i s t o f p r· o j e c !:. s a 11 till::! lAid y t h r· o ugh . 1'-1 r· . ~)peak t:~ I" , at. t. h 1:~ bE•ginnj.ng you SE!(:' there are $10.18 million to be publicly tendered, t.l..lh:i.ch means $10,180,000, l.o~.Jh·.ich is i:1 pre t·.i·:.y ;~c c u r·c:'t 1:,(:~ ansi*'! 1" t:o be giVE:'n to an adcl:ition of t.~Jhc!t 1ooks l"iko t.h:i.t·•i·.y ..... one d i.Ffc'·r·ent PI"OjE~cts, yet. the rrr:.i.njster has not s r:• E'~ n F ·i L l'. o g :i. u r:~ 1 r s l h ,,, c u 1 t r' t c• ~; y of putting in l..h<:• actual c1t'ltt)UI'lL ror· E!dC:h. or COIII"S( ,1, ·;r II('' c.li.d thai:, Mt".

SpE!aker·, bot:.h LhE:! nrernber· fo;" R1t1Agf'!o Fldy cl'l::spu'Lt" dt'icl No . 50 R2718

myself, and anybody else, would b(:~ able to do an analysis of where the actual money is being spent. By doing this, they arE! hoping to bJ.indFo1d t.he clevtl. in thl.;! dar·k. Mr. Speaker·, I find it rathE!r r· e rna r· k H b ll'! t: hat. ·1·. h n y d t cl oi. ~~ 1·.: h i'l r_ tAla y , and I t h :i. n k it :is an i n ch c i:1 1·.: 'i. o n o F l·: h ('! c:-1 +. J-:c,~ I'll p l·. l~ o h :i cl C'! quite a bi.t.

T h Eo! o tl-w 1" Hd n g l s , M 1" • S pea I< e r , l:het'(:~ cH'8 <:\bout Fottt' or ·Fi .tJO djfferent opportunJties, like No. 5 , ,,.Ji·H,~ I" e l:: he y s <:·1 y rn i s c <,~ 11. a n (~ o 1 1 s r·oad u.Jor·k in thE:' Bay of Islands; 1\lo. 18, mi .sc<->.1larHwus r·ocld t,o.Jor·k :i.n Gr·(,!en Bay; m:iscellanE:~ous r·oad work in St. Barbe; clnd 25, miscE:~llam~ous road t..uork in St. Mar·y 1 s - the:! Capl'!S; dnd i.n Tr·ini.ty N01"th, m:iscelJ.aneous road W01"k. Mr. Speaker, you can hide all. k:inds of sins undE!r' headings like that..

It. could be $ 100, 000 t. o do a littlE! bi i: of work, or it could bE! $2 rnil.Lion to do a u.Jhol.e bunch of work, yet, the Minister of Roads is c lear l y f o ll ou..J i. n g h is usual procE:~dure, which l1e did when he t..uas i.n Muni.ci.pal. nffai .rs, of trying to tE!ll us he is giving us information, 1.uhon i.n fact hC:~ is not. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. . ~J~_.:.__1..QNG : HE:!a1··, heal"! MR. SIMMS : Mr . Spnc:-1ker . IVJ i< . SPEAI<i~R: ThE :! hon . t.h<'! Pr'E'•s::i.dE!n-L of l:he Counc ·i 1 . MR. S(MM~) : Ml".

SpPaker, on behalf of thE• M·i n -L s I· E'? r· r· ~:·~;pons --L b l. c,~ for· Ncc'lAJfounclland and Labr'ador rlousing Cor'porat.ion , r dirt pl.E'!i:l~>t::?d [··o announce today thc:tt approvaJ.s for condil::ion<~l aJ.locat.:i.on oF Fund.ing under· Uw pr·ivatE! non --profit and L2'7J9 June 6, 1988 Vol. XL urban natlve non-profit housing programs have been made for 1988. These programs are deJivered by L he ii ou s -L ng Co i"por·a l:-i. on and fund Hd in conjunction with CMHC. ThE! ca11 fol" pr•oposa1s unciE:!t" lhE:•sE• progr~ms, Mr.

Spe~ker, was advertised earlier on a FH'Otr.i.nc8 l~ri .dr:! ba:;.is c:·1nc:l gerwr·al::ud some twenty-six responses from 11 0 n - p r· 0 1-:i. t g t' 0 1.1 p ~; Y' l:! p r· E! S C'! 11 i ·. :l 1'1 g different areas of Newfoundland i:\nd l ..• ~br·adoi".' Full.otJJ "i.ng i'l car'E'!flll. rE! vic=~tJJ of the s <,~ p1"0posal s, bas E!d on a variety of established criteria, I am pleased to announc('!d l:hr:\t. a l::ol·.:i:1l. o·f 66 unit.s of non-profit housing For senior c H :. i. L H n s a 11 d fa 10 i l. i. c?. s h i::t v e b e E· n approved for conditional allocation.

Under the pr:Lvat:e housing program, Mr. followi.ng groups and have been selected for allocation of projects: non ---pr'ofi\~ Speake!~, the co1nrnuni.t::LE!S condi U.onal H o n . rn <:' rn b e t' s IJJ i. 1 l. h a v e t o f o r g i v e rne. I had a rE!a1J.y, rE!ally, t c;! r· r· i F j_ c , E:! n t h u s "i. a s t. -L c tAl~'! c.:,~ k ~'! n cl this weE!kend and I arn stilJ trying l~o get ovor -l.i-. . M1"· . SpeakE•t", Bon av i.~;t· .a Not"Lh Tnt·· .1:'91'i:ll:r:!cl ~:l(c'n.-iol" c-i.l·_ ·iz ertS 1 Association of BadgE!Y' 1 s Quay haVE'' r' (;? c c:· i

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I) H senior citizens 1 units; SL. Anl :hony T.nl·E?rf;,\'i.l.h llorn c:•, St .. Anthony, haVE! r·ecE!i.VE•d c:tppr·ovaJ. For t.I~JEO>l.tJr:• S('!l'l "ioi" ci.tiz_uns 1 ttn.i .Ls; Random Inl:E!Y'fa:i .th SE!nior· C.it.:iz<:·n~; 1 ilOiile, Cli.H'PntJ"i .l.le, s .i xh~en seni .or citizens 1 units; ThE! Gai"I'Lish Loud Cc'11"<'' Cornrn-Lt:f·.uo, Gar·ni .~';h, ''!'.'iqht senior citizens 1 units; and the M;:-n·ys t.OI,o.JI'l I< i n~:.tnen Club, ~~ar'ys town, have also re cei ved approuaJ for [:.IAIE:! l. V (c~ 1.1 n -i. [·: S . No. 50 R2719

.. :..: SOME HON. MfMBERS : HOi'H' I hl:~i"H'! MR. SIMMS: As \AJel.ll MJ". ~3pt:!ai((;!r', 1-iAJO gr'OIIps hctvc~ bE!E!n placl'::'d in a back-up pos· .i.t:."i.o n i.n units becomE! under · thE:~ program, or . planning for· !-he event cirlditional available this year private non-profit to facilitate advanced 1989. rhese are: Branch 35 of the Royal Legion, Stephenville, senior citizens' units, Botwood Senior Citizens' Committee 1 Bot~.Jood I ·1-.LAJelv.c-?. Canarlian twelve and the Housing un its. In addition, Mr·.

Speakc:H', Ul'lclt:!r' thE! ud1an native pr·oposal call, I am plea~>C:'d to anno11nce i::he Melville Native Housing Ass ocii:=t l.::·i .on ,~J'i .l J. be b11·oi. hi :i. ng i'l hous::ing Pl''Oject rOI" sJx (6) na'l:.iVI'::' F c:tlfli 1-i. 1:! s .i. n !1 <:'' p p y \J <:·l J.l u y Coos r,, Rciy . In tit~~ corning I.UE!Ed<s, Ml". Sp~~dkE!r, oFf:i.ciH1s oF Nei•JFoiJnciJ.r.~nd and L.C\br·adol" Housing Cor·pol"ation IAJi.ll. be I..LJO r· id n g IAJ U. h a 1. l 1: he ~; r-) gr·oups to finalizE:~ design and tc'!nder i:l.I..LJt-ll"ds so thr~l: projr~ci-- .s ci'tn proceed at the earliest possible dd li:~.

This is the first proposal caJ.l conducted by the Corporation and rep resents Lhe ccm nn ll:i ne111 · of t·:he gov ernm ent of Newfoundland and La br ador ·to prov td i.ng a r·ange oF housing se rvices to the:' p0ople of our Province. I:n arJd --i.l:"i.on, Mr. Speaker, this SE!r'vE·s to :illustrate the Col"por·atton' s l'lE!lAJ and gr·otAJ.ing focus to involve· thE! resj_dE!nts of the Province, through community-ba se d organizations, in 1-.:he act1.1al dE!VC'!l.oprnE~nt and delivery oF these social housing p r· u g r· a rn s . SOME Hm.J. MFMB F:l~S : I·IE!Cll" I ht:!i:'\1"!

I 2 7 20 J u n c;!- 6 , l 9 8 8 Vol XL MR. 1<. AYLWARD: Mr-: Spt~i~kr,~r. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the 1n(!rnb ~'· r· ·For Stephenville . MR. K. AYLWARD: --·-·------·~·--- · T h a n k y o 1.1 I M r· . s p e a k E! r . On behalf oF my colh~ague ·for Waterford - l<enmount (Mr. G u ll a g

e) I lAJ h o .i. s n o t h <"! r· e t. o d a y , I would like to express our pleasure on hearing the annoyncement that the r e wi 11 bE! f u n d i n g l:: o b u i 1 d a numbc,H' of hous:i.ng urri.ts .in the Province for seniors. A mE!asure of any soci.~:! t.y, Mr· . Spoake'r', is how it treats it (;!lder·ly and s~~n_Lor· ci.-l:.i.z~:!ns . (l start ·i.n that: direction is bEdng rnadP today. Ii: .i.'; c:l s·l:r:lr't, Mr· . ~-3pE:!dkc'!r' 1 b11t l:hf:!t'e Js a lot rnor'E! to do.

We hc1ve <'In c:·l<J.-i.ng popul.dL --ion :-.i. n l·.h ·i~; Pr·uvinc1:!, and in Canada, and we hatJE! tab :· r:·lC l·.-i.nn Jn t-:he co1rdng 1non -!-.:hs, <:;111d in the next few year·s, to addi"E!SS the problmns. ~onibr c"i.tilens are hr.~v tng a tough tJme out there finding suitable hous Jng. Th"i. :,; j_s a starl ;l Mr . Speaker, but we have to take a lo t mor'H fundi.ng and a lot more resou rc es and throw them at th e pr·obl e111 Lh t>r •clc-:or ' l.o dc?<il ,,,i.Lh it . It is not going to go away; it j $ sornet:hing t:h,:,t· ·i.s qoi.nq l:.o i n c r E• a s E· .

I t h ::i. n k rn d n y rn c· n 1 b t:• r· ~:. , e s p e c ·i. a l l y o n o u r· s ·.i. cl C'! a n d I d rn sure on thE• other ~delE!, M1· ··. :;) p ~~ a k C.;! r I g f;! t. In d n y p h 0 1'1('! c d 11 s r l'' urn senior citizens in this Province lAJho ar·c,~ J.ooki.ng for good housinq. M r· . ~3 p e e1 k {·:. r· , IAJ ~~ i:l r· {'! h o p--i_ n CJ 1-.: o s "' E! rnor'E! announcE :!rnE:!n l::s ·in thE! futur·E·, i:\nd ,,,e ;u·n hop "i.119 l:.n :;::!E! lllOI''t' funding. But ThE! on1y Pl"obJE :•rn ::L s, r.lil' "• . ~::; p E' c:\ k l'! r· I 1-.I'H:\ 1-. IAJ:i 1--. h I· h ('!

I~Jd y t. h :i. s g o v E' r· n n 1 P n t. o p E' r· a L E'! s , IAJ o a r· (• pr •obi"·lhly_ nol : go.i.119 :.o :;ee l::hi.'tt: No. 50 R2720

much in the very nc-:!ar futurt::~, so we intend to do something about it in the very nec:tr' future, as soon as thE! Pr ·ernier drops a 1.1.11ni t. T h a n k y o u , M r . S pea k e r· . SOME liON. MEMB E r~S : i·IN.lln, ht::~aln! MR. SPEAKER : T h (~ h on . t: h r::~ rn "'~ m bE:~ r for· S 1.: . John 1 s Fast. MR. LONG : Thank you, Mr. SpE~<.~kf:~r . I do no~. knmu IAJh::!re Lhe r"lini.stE!r' responsible for Newfoundland and l.abr·< .. ldor Hous·ing Cor·por'dL-i.on is, but I i:ITII sur·e - M.J HON. MEMBEI~ : He.;! -Ls -.i.n L.dbr,:1dor·. MR .

LONG : thE:' liou ~~ E:' LeadE!r wj 11 takE! aLl the.:. comments he receivr:'s and pass thr:'m on to l:he minister. I have a real c on'c ern about the s ta teme n t, although the statement is a positive initiative inasmuch as five groups IAd.ll. br:~ g<::!l~.t.i.ng some assistance to develop senior c i "1: i z e n s 1 p r· o j e c t. s , b u t t h e r· e->. a r· e twenty-one groups which who will 1·1ol~. bt! r·ec~:!i.vi.ng ''tny ass-.i.st .<'1nc(~ t·h.is YE!iH' fr·orn NII-IC t:o dE'!VE>lop Hw i r· p r· o p o s t:1 J s f' 1.1 r r. h e r· I h <'Hl l: h t• j dE:!d s l::<:tge.

Wh<:At I wouJd 1ike to knoiAI fr·orn r:.i·H;! r"' in i ~; h:' r 0 F H 0 II s i n y i s -l;.il'l (! i'' r,' i s t·:i'IP SUI"V(~y 'l.l·1(~ m'.i .nisLE:~r undPI"Look t o p wl· . .-i. n p J c1 c I'~ o lJ r:! r' a y u c1 i'' · d 9 o , tAJhich was a paraJlel act:iv'ity to l'.: h e p r o c e s s o f a s !ci . n g p r,w p l. r,~ f' o r· subrn:i s~;:ions for· non .. -pr·of:i.t hou~;ing flr'Oje'!CI-s? (1·1: t:hr:! ~;dlfl0 l:·i.lflt-'! ,·~s groups out there werE> developing p r' 0 p 0 S a l S f 0 In '1:: h "i_ :; p I" U g r• i:'t Ill , 1·: h e->. y were also mE>eting with the 1n Ln i.s L:er', 1~1hen he tr·ave 'll.e,~cl ar·ound the ProvincE! giving information l..2721 June 6, 1988 Vol XI .. about what the various regions We:H'E?.. hous ·i.ng in the1 needs of Province On(:~ i:'lr'E!i'l t. hat. i .. s of cr· i l:. :i cal importance, c·i.t.tzens, -is peoplE:~ :in alongside senior l:.h(:• nE~E!d~; oF' d ·L~:;abl.t::!d l:his PlnovinCE!.

Ml". s p (:~ i."1 k ('! t' ' Governrne1nt T IIJOiiJ.d t:Hll. !.:he House Leader that it is fJnc~ to make s11Ch a pos·it:i.lJe announcement but, in the absence o f a n y r: l. e C:H' p :i. c t: 1 1 In ~?. u f w h a t l h e housing nE:~eds are for the various r·egions or 1:1"18 Prc)l)J.ncc~, ·il: ·is very hard to do a valid assessment of such an ii\l'li10IH1C0ment. Th~ :·r'E! alnE'! f:iv e proj e c l s a c c ept.ed out. of ·l·:I;.Jt:~ n t ':1 . ~; "i. x p 1·· oF~ o sal s . 0 n l: he'! i r own, thE:'.Y wi.ll bE! good for those r.: o rnrn u n i. ·l:.

J.P. s , b u t the r r~ t ~; d l o 1-. morE~ to bE• said and clone yet_ l.:o rn e e l: 1: h e h ou s i. n g n r:! c:! d s -:i. n 1': h 1:! Province. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oral Questions MR. GILBERT: Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. t.hc~ m~~rnbc->.t' for· Burg eo Bay d 1 Espoir. MR. GII..BERT : My quPsl· .ion ~~' ''' s or· ·i q i n d 1.1 y intended for the Pr·c:·nljE•l", bul . :.i.n tri l:! lA) 0 f 1: l'l (;• r; ·1 C [·. h C ·j S 1'1 0 i:·. h (;! 1·· t'! J IAJ:ill haVE! l::o ask thE" M::in::i-st.or· of T r· <:·\ n '> p o r· '1-. ;:~ L i o n ( M r .

Do y l (,, ) . 1: IAJonciE!r' :i.s Lho rnin:istr:'l" diAJ<ill"l'' Lhc\t: l'! q 1 1 :i p rn f! n 1·: .::~ n 1 I r· I'" p <·1 i r 111 ,,, :i. n L 1:. n"' n c C:' workers wil:h lhP railway in 11 is hop 1 :; F .:-11. ·1 ~; r.H' e s i. 111 pl. y l"epor·U .ng fo1n IAJork evE•I"Y day, l·:hE'!Y i:H' (! no L be i. n g '~ s s .i. g I'H'! d j u b s , l:: i· 1 ('! y art'! not instructed to do anything , b u ~-: s ·:i. 1·. c\ r o 1.1 n cl d 1 ·1. 1!.-:1 y , even though ti'lE'rE! is Jots of IAJor·k t.o be donle>? No. 50 R2721

Not.u t..uj 11 the And adv-i .se Newfoundland mi n:i. s ter· come c 1 c~~cHl the people of and l..etbr·ador· tha t a railway rlGAl has been signerl ·ln !:(~! c r·~~t: and is just lAI<'-~ ·.i.ting for· t.ht~ appr ·opr ·i .• 'll :e 1::-i.JII( '! l.:o anno uncP ·i.1: ? MR . DOY LF : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKEr~ : The hon. thE:~ M:inistE!r of Transportation. MR. DOYLE : No, Mr . Speaker. As I indicated to the mc'lmber last week, that i.s a question that he would more appropriately addr·ess l:o CN, and I am sure they would only be too happy to provide an answer for htm. MR . GILBERT : A supplementary, Mr . Speaker .

MR. SPEAI<EI~ : A supplernE!l'ltar·y, ITHHTlb(H' For Btll"9f~O Mf~. GH.BERT: tht~ bon. the flr.'ly cl 1 Espoi.r·. We] J, I IAJC.Hid( .;!r, Ml". Speaker, I..Uould 1--. he nd .l'd. s l·.t:! I", :i. n 1r i. f:!IAI of t h <-~ F ,,, c l. t hd t it :is r·(:q :>Or t. ed that t.h(=! workers i. n f:l :i. s hop 1 s F ;3. J. l. s i'l r e j 11 s 1: s:itt :ing ar·ound, and being paid to si.l-: •'lr·ound <;11.1. clay and noi: rlo.i .11g anything, lAJouJ.d h(:! cht,: ck t:.o s<o!E' if t h i. s i. s .i. n d f~ <:! d t h t=• c a s t~' "' n d ~: h e n repor t back lo the Hou se? MR. DOYLE : Mr . Speaker . MR .

SPEAI<ER : ThE! hon. i: hE! Minis t.E!r of Tran sportati .on. MR. DOY LE : Mr. Spea ker, when the ho n. q c,, nl: l.<"! lllt'ln br·ought f·:hts rn at l·.c·r · f:o my at Lention la st w ee k I i.ns l:r"rlc l:.(=•cl rny of Fi e i.<·<l s to qf=!t. in touch r..u:i.-l ::h TE~I "I"a-Tr·ansport l:.o f:ind 1..?.'7?./. .Tiin(~~ (i, 1.91!8 Vol X 1 .. out. the rr:~asoning bE!hind t·.hat p <H' t 1. c 1 t l ,;, r p o l. "i. c y t: h l. •; y ~~ a r· , a n d T am awaiting word ba ck· from the Pr·r;!s:i.r:lnnL oi- CI\J on Lhc'tl, ~~1" . SpE:~aker·.

When I am g::i.ven an a n s I) )I'! r· r: lAd .. , J be o nl y t o o p 1 e a s t'! d to provide that an swer lo the han. g(:!tl 'i.:l. Prtl <.-11'1 . MR. GILBERT : A f1ni=ll suppl.enrenlar·y, Mr· . Sp f:! akc'!l" . MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary. MR. GILBERT: The minister rlirl not. answer the question because I asked about th e IAJOl"k t:=!r'S i.n Bishop 1 ~' Fall s today, and it was the Summer E:~mpJ.oyE!E!S I a s kc,~ d a b o u t. b ~~ f o I" ~=· . N o IAI IAri l.

J. t h e m:in:i.ster adm:Lt that a pr·E·ss c o n f ~~ r· (:! n c r~ 'i. ~> b E! i n g s e 1--. u p F o r t. hiS T h U I" S day LJJ -:L l:. h M l" • C I" 0 s b J e an cl rJI I" . Fl () I I C h r:'ll" d ·i ·. 0 r'1 n l'l 0 I I n C: !'! l. h r:• c:l .os i.nq of ·t-.lw r·cd.liA Jay? MR. DOYLE : Mr. Speakr:~r . MR . SPEAKER : Tll'e---~--1 c;r~ l: h (~ r"' ..-i. n i ~:; ·f--E! I'' of Transportation . MR. DOYLE : M r' . S pea k e r· , 1·. h"' t·. s d n r t::! q 1.1 H ~; t. -i o n tJ.Jas addressed t.o tht:! PI"E:!n l.iE:·r· on F r· j cIa y p •'t s t and 1: he an~; IAH'! r· l: h cl L: th(:!

Pre mier gr.lV( '! at tha t~ ttrrrc :is ~;l:.·i.l1 o p e t"Ci i··.·iv(~ r·.o d.::ty . ·rdlk~; hi:'tvt :! been on go i. n g b ~:! tlA JE! E! n thE- ProvincE! anrl the federa l ~ouernment with respect to th e railway, as th ey hav(~ bl''<~'n OV (:!r' Lhe l.a <; t·.: nurnb,:!l ~ oF months . Whc::•n and if any dea] j s r'E 'a ched on l.:ht~' d i.sposlt -i.on of thE! r a i liAI a y , i t. lAd. J 1 b e a n n o LHl c E! d t o tht~ hon. House. MR. SIMMONS : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAI<ER : ~Jo . ')0 ~~?. '7 /. ~

ThE! hon. the ITIE!mber for Fortune - Her·mi tage. MR. SIMMONS: Mr·. Speaker, I havc ,1 a qt.IE'!S t·ion fol" the illustrous MinistE!r of Career DE•VE!l.opmenl:: and Aclvan cr::! d St:.ud"i.«::'s (MI". Matthews). It r·e]ates to The Private Sector Employment Program.

The mtn:istE!r will be aware th<>.t i.n th(>. tc,H'ms and conditions of the agr·eement u.Jhich i.s s-Lgner.l by succE!ssful appl.Jc.:~nts under the program there is this pr·ov:i.sion, ClaiJSf~ No. /.0, IAJhtch pr·ovj dEO)S, 11 No member of t:he House of Com111ons or Pr·otri.nc:i.i'll l.eg:isJ attu'E:1 r-.-~nd no fedc->.raJ, pro tJ .:i. n c ·:i. al or· i'lll.l n "i. c -i. p d 1. 9 o tJ c,1 r· nrnr,1 n t empJ oyN1 shall bE:1 adrni LtE:1d to any shi:lr'e or pdr'l: of t.h ·i.~; r.~gr·e(~Hl(:'n:-_ or to clny benefit arising Lhr:=!r·efro111. 11 r I;JOrH:k!r' I•Joul cJ Uw rn:i n:i s t.er lnd:i .cate Lo thE!

House IAJ h a L i_ s I·_ h t'! r· r:! ~l s () n r u r I··_ h i'l ·:~ specific exclusion of government E! 111 p 1. o y 1::' E! s a n d me 1r1 bE! r· s of 1: h i. s House from bE!I'IE:'fi ts under the pr·ogram? MR . SPEAKER : ThE! hon. the Minister of CarE!er DC:1velopment and Advanced St.uches. MR. MATTHEWS: Ml", Speakel", I think this ClaUSE! -is Found ·in "1 numbc:'l" of pr·ogr'diTl !-:haL come under the Province's j u r· i. s d i. c ~: i.

r) n , ,.-1 n d T g 1 1 H s s 1-:_ h ·i s :i. s ju~;l- a cont::i.nuat:ion ol th:::tt. I Lh i.n k 1.-:.hr~ ansi;.Jf'!l" -i.~; qu:i l-.1'> o b v :i. o u s . L'll E~ h a v ('! h 1:• rH' d a 1 o l dboul-.: conFl.'icl: or ·i.nLE!r'E~SI: i'-\nd (l'l-hHJ" l:h::ing~; lal·E~]y, and I so1"t of l·:h·ink l•h<'li : l:h ·i~~ pi'·tr• ·l-i.CII -idJ" guideJ:inE:! faJJs in J.·i.l'IE:! IAr:ith '!-:hat I: 0 p r• f'! V f'! n -t-·_ .::t n y d b I I S f:! 0 r' c1 n y ·I·_ h .-i_ n g E:!]~;r:~. Tf' -thE;! hon. gE·!nL]E=!rnan has a s p ('! ci _ f' ·i c c d ~; e I_ h"' 1- I 1 ::• l~oJc111 :-s 1-_ o I" ('! f (-!

I" -(. () TilE:! f 0 I"' :i n V E! S 1:: :i g a 1:. j 0 n , i:h en f I;Joulrl c1sk h·irn t·o •Jc-:•1 on IArJ U1 it and I t~Jill gladly do it. 1...2723 JUnE:' 6, 1988 Vol XL MR. SIMMONS : Mr·. SpE!akE!r. MR. SPEAKER : A supplt;1rnc,1n'tar·y, Lhr::! hon. l:.hr::! member for Fortune - Hermitage . Mr~. SIMMONS : Indeed I have, Mr. Speaker. I wonder would the minister reconctl.e For Lhe House the requirement here that members of Uw · I h)LI s e c a n n o 1-: b e n e r j_ t f r· om t.lr.L s program?

A legitimate r•r,1qLJ"i.r·E:!Jfl(~nl:, by ·Uw ILkly, c:·lnd h~~ is right, it is a pretty universal 0111::1, wh ·i.ch ·i_n spi.r·-i,i- ·is :·.he ri.t~Jht one. Now, Mr. SpedkE•l", can hr:=• r·ucont: ··i.lr,, 'i:haL r·r:!qu:ir't'!lfiC!nl-_ l;.rLth the situation we haue wilh the Mi.n:i .s ~J!r oi- 1-iHo •lJ. l:h? 1·1--i.s COlllpi:~lly, T E! 1" r· a N o v i'l E n L E! I" p I" i s E:! s , .c o u 1 cl n o l.. Cjlli·ll-i L:y 1::-0I" c:-1 '!>?.000 9J"c111 t: Llncler t h :i s p a r"t i c u 1 a r p r· o g r a 111 , y r::- L j L c cHl CJ I.J d J -j_ f y lc () i'' '1> 4-B '7 ' 0 0 () \.1 I'Hi (! r· another program.

Can he reconcile the two? There seems to be a contradiction in term s there. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Career Development and Advanced Studies. MR. MATTHEWS : Mr . Sper:l.ker, I can only ansiAJl~r questions about the Private Sector l':lflployiTJHil-1-_ l't·ugr'allll'lll'!, on 1'.1h i c h i he hon. TTIE!rnber rosE! in his p]dce ancl r· i. g h 1: f 1 1 "I J y a s I< r,:. d c1 q u e ~:; 1· i o n u n c),,, 1·· that Pl"091"d1Tl, dl'id 1101A) IAJ E:' :;r::•(:•, or- e o 1 1 r· s e , i -_ h c-'!

I" e ''t l r· c• cl. ~; u n F o r· L h t' que s t ion , lAJ lrf c h is to t I" y cll' l cl i·hi "O I•J C:llr'rJes .:tnr ·l c,·,_sl - .i.nnut:!lldu upon LhE:!

DE:!puty iJJ"l':rniE!I", and ITidybe o l hr '!i" lrJHIIIhHr'!; o-r I h1~ 110IISC:• no1~o1 d~> t h E! h o n . rn E! rn b E! r· g o e s f u I" t h e r lA I :i L h h--i.:; CJ II(!~; -1: --i 0 J') ·i n 9 . fl II 1·:. , q L1 i. 1:·. 1'> honE:·sl:.J.y, I c.~in not _ going Lo ~JE:•l_ ·int.o ,., rn;'~LI:nr· I~J -il ·h yo11 1-lvtl · I;.Jt=> hdVP ::;E:!en cll"ag~:j('•d up ::i.r1 tl·1<is Hou se OIJ('!I" I ht-:! lr'ts-1 : co11pl c::• ul I•H:!~::I(S, bE•cause I Lh::ink t.he stor·y ha~; be(·n 1-_old i.n spadHS, (·)l'lli r Lhi .nk 1-:hdl:_ No. 50 R2723

th~~ [h~prJl :y Pr·erni.er hds bN~n truly u:indicah~d. MR. SIMMONS : Mr . Speaker . 1'·11~. SPFAI<Ff~ : A F':i .ne1l supp] E'lnentar"Y, l::hc->. hon . the rnernb(:H' for· Forl·:r.1ne ·· i·lc:!rrni .l:.-:'\gc,1 . MR. SIMMONS : Ml". SpE!aker, I think the ministE!r rn·i.ght hc:\Ve rnissE:!d l:hr-:! Jmpor·+.: of rny second question to him. It had to do with consistency. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. SIMMONS: I ask thE! ministE!r, M1~.

SpeakE!r, in uic'!IAJ oF thE~ excl.~pt:-Lon rnadr=! ·to LJJhat hE! has said is a fa:irly un:iVE!r'sal. r·equ.ir'E'!JflC '!I'lt rni:~d< '! i.n the->. case of l::he Minister or Health u n dE! t' an o t. he t' pro g r a tn , t d s k h ·i 111 lAJouJ.cl he, lAJouJd his dc,'partmE!nt cons -Leier· dn iJlppl.:i.celi·. ·-Lon ·fr •orn TE:!t'l"i'l. Nova En·lE!rprisE:1S for funding under th.i .s pr·ogr· c:Hn, r'lHH:dl-. rnrJch l.c.;!SS f u n d j n g Ur CJ. n they are->. g E:' l~ ·t:i n g undE:!r anoi:hc'!r' pr·o9r'i'HI1? MR.

SPEAI<FR : ThE! hon. 1:hE1 Mj n:ist:er of Career D p v E~ ] () p rn (~ n [·. a n d A d v cHl ( (! d ~:) l: l.J d -i. (·:! !; . MR . rllATTH F.:WS : Mr . Speaker, Hrei"E:1 :ls no doubt the qut-;) !) l _ _ion i.s <)rJl oi ord t·H' - I.At 111e just say that wil h the Priuate S<:1 c I: or · Ernp lo yrn e n 1: Pr·og r·amrne e u <·H ' y app lic ation that comes in to the -dr:lpartm( ,lnr . ts duly r'8 g"isl-:er· ed on the date that it is brought into the depa rtm E-nt . i.l' : i.s s u·ut.i .n "lzt~ d by a project officer. and it goes l:o a C:() lllfn ·l I: tee.

IF l~h e t'E~ are an y fla ws or problems wit h any a p p 1 t c a t i. o n • s t.IC h il s 1: h e h o n . gentlem an has outl ined, that is duly consi .rJered and, tn such r:t case, the . appl icatio n wou ld be 1_27/.lJ. .T IJ n <:1 6 , l 9 13 B Vol . Xl. rer.ornmend P.d for rl:ljc.;!ci-,j _on. All. applications I as I said here J.ast r;Jef:~k ~ iH'G d1J ly con!)i .dert::!d, wbc -:1t.her• for small bus iness or la rg er c o r p o r •:.'\ U .o n s •

c) r '" n y o n e t;~ l. s r~ i n the Pro vince. Il is a Private St-)r.i:IH' F., nplo yrnenl : Pt· og l"•-lll l of tdh it;h the priua te sector is paying ar l< ~·:ts 1: SO per· r.en l: of" l.hr ~ Wiil.ge:; paid, and w e are uery proud of i.l·.. I can no i: unchn·s i:an d l~Jhy sornf) members opposite are tr yin g to des i:r ·oy wha t has been a V~H' Y good and productive program in thjs Prov ·i.11 ce I one tha t has crea ·J-ed some 2,000 jobs, Mr. Speaker. SOME HON . MEMBERS: HE~ar, hc:1ar! MR. W . CARTER: 1'-1 r . ~-3 p ~'!iOl k fH' . MR. SPEAKER: ThE! ho 11. rt~Ji. 1.1. :i. n g a L ~-~ . MR . W.

CARTER: thE! mr:·rrrber· f'o I" Mr. Speaker, my question goes Hw Mini . s h:H' of F:~ she,~ J"i.r=!s . T n the absence of a statement today on 'l.he d~o~vr- ~l.c )pnten 1:~> i_n Sl :. l.i'ltJ.WenGt':l, :lf any, on the Ting fish pl ant, l·:ht-: ~ holrli .ngs up i:hcH'e , i.n J. i.ghl : of the ministe r • s reply to my qr.1c ~sLi .o n J. ;1s l: r~rer ~k . t~Jhr '!r'0i .n he sai d that Mr s .

Ting wiJ 1 be j n Lh1 ;• P r· o v i n r. ,~ 1: h ~~ f i. r· :; i~ p '" r 'I , ) f l. h L '> w eek to unde rtake, hopefully. n <-:•go'. ·i.<~ -1--i .nn s , [ 1410ntl er r.m J-lH-:! rnj nis ter give the HO\JSe an update r.1 :; t-o t~r h ta l- HH =' s i. l': u a t: i. o n i s n nw uJit h respect to th e St l at~ rrence and Liitw n and , pr·obably, t·:h l~ Port aux Ba sques and Rose Blanche p J. d 1'1 1:. S d S IJ.H>. '1. l ? MR. SPEAKEr~ : Th e hon. the Minister of Fisher:ies MR. RIDEOUT: Mr·. :-)puakf:·r·, l.(!l~. gent1eman that No. 1)0 llll'! t·('!.l.l l.hc ~ dJscusston s hon. ar 't:! R272l~

cont:i nu:ing lAd th Mrs .. Ting and hE!r representatives. They have r·eached, I suppose to be honest, a ciE!l. i.cat.( ;! st.<:~gc.;!. Those;! dJscuss.ions are continuing and I . do not think L +: would b0.' appr·opr· i at .c.-:! for· lflC '! l~o give any detail about those discussions other than the fact that they are continuing . MR. W. CARTER: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A supp] ernentar·y, - the m~~mi:HH' for TI,~.J:ill.'i.nga'i:e. Ml~. W. CARTF::R: han. the Mr·.

Speaket", I arn not suggesting r. h <'\ t U1Cc' HI i. n i. s \. e r· r· leW ::! a l f.'l n '1 d~Jicate negotiations, hut I am dsk ·i.ng Ci :11'1 l·hc'! llt:i.n-i_~;l ·:r'!r ', rJJr·. S p E:! cl k 0.! r· , p u t t h e nri n d s o f t h e pc:!op-lt,~ ·i.n l·.he i'lr't ·~d c11··. r·e~ ;l: o:1ntl ~J ::ivu sorn~:! -.lnd:icat:i.on nOIAJ 1:1s Lo ''Jh('!l'l !-.hat plr.1nt t~J ill r'C:!Op(:!n? C;'ln IAH~ E:! x ;:)(,! c t an announce nH:' n 1: tAd t. hi n days, mclybe, thdt negotiatJons havE:~ beE:~n completed and the plant tAd ll r· e o p e n ? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Fisheries. MR. RIDEOUT: M r .

S p E~ a k (.;! r· , IAJ h C'! n n c;! g o t i. i:l t .i. o n s a r· r,, cornp1e Led onE! tAJ ay or a no t:her, succe~;sfully or· unsuccessFulJ.y, obviously lhe people of St. l .. diAJr ·ence a11d !:h E! ol:.her' cotnrnun:i.l": .iH s will be so notified . Mf~. SPF.AKr::r~ : ThE'! hon. the rnc;!ntbE•t" fot" ME'!n:ihE!k . r-11~. FFNWTCK : Thank y(ltJ, Mt". ~)peakc'!t" . r.l!y qtH! ~i l j Clrt :i s f"ol" t:itt'J COVEH'I'IIllC '!rt'L H 0 I I ~.; (!

I . (·~ i:-1 cl r;! ,.. i'l n d ;::o i" ,,, ~; i. { I ,_, ll I· 0 f7 I: h ('! co unci ] . ·1 t· h a~; r o cJ o IAJ "i L h the l.('!i: ·lyr · 1: S! ·o!t'll: hi .llt OVC:!I'' i':l lltOnLh <"1<j0 enqu:it"j n~J about Steph0.~n DE:!laney 1..:?725 June 6, 1.9BI3 Vol XL and two other individuals who work For Net~JfoundJ.and Cl)trtput.E!r Serv·ices and are on the Board of Directors of Tnformai:.Jon Services Incorporated, a software company 1: hat tfli:-1 y do bus i. n r'! s s IAI"i I~ h 1: he government.

We asked at Lhat LitTlE! if hr:! wou1d investigate whether an apparent conflict of interest existed in I: h i. s s :i. t u r:l t J. o n ? n n d 1 n y q u c"! s -1-. :i o n is has the minister investigated i t a n c:l tAJ h a 1: c o n c 1. u s .i. o n s d i. d h e come to? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. I: he Pr·os :idenl·. of t.hE! Council. MR. SIMMS: r~ r· . ~> p r~ f·l k t=:· r·· , T h ,,, lJ e answer· thE! hon. member· U1 E:! gol: ~;; o:llll ('! toddy tAJi 'lt-:!n ht=! i·ylephonetl ou: ,!l" lo Nl CS l·o f :i. 1'1 d 0 u t . ., hE :! an s tAJ (o' In is L h r.t L 1:. h i:t l :i.s going l·hr'OtJgh l.hc:! pt··oc(· ~•· ~; .

ThE:~re is a tribuna1 th<.~t assE:•SS(c'S l:htC>S(o! allegd ·l:.:i .ons or clll<: !9l''d charges. That tribunal, I t.tndc.;!r·stand, has jusl·: r·ecE!nt1y dealt with that qUE!Stion. .ThE! i.nd:iu:i .du,;~,l .Lnuol.ved hNs an opportunity and a right to app eal whatever that rlec ision may ha ve been if it was not nE1cessarily i n hi .s favour· . T.I - ts goi.n g thr' OL-Ig h the pro cess , the pro per cha nnPls MR. FENWICK: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : ~ St.lppl fH fl~:!l'l"i".dl" 'lj, [J ·H :! hon. t:ile member for MenJhek. MR. FFN~HCK: M l I .

II ! . ll y s u p p . erne n ·:.a I" y J. s ·: ·1 cl · :: s J. n CE '! ... ·w i n c:l ·i. IJ i_ d t.lr'tl · i ~' c o n ~; :-i d c• r" ~'' d I· o h e i n conflJcl: oF :inl:E•r 'E•sl Oi" j.11 a pos~;·i.blr :• r:onrl·icl• uF ·inl .. ::!r '<'!~ :.l-.:, could the rn.in:i.st( o!l" expJr'1 :in i:o rn c•, t.•JiliJ .,d! ;l·. t~Jf~ r:!k, un Jttt'H~ ~'. LhH pt"oui.ncial goV0.!l"nnrent. announced a No. :>o R272S

$21,412 grant under the Offshore 0 i. 1 F u n d f o r· t: h i. s p a r· U . c u ltu· company, Informat ion Servic es T n c or'p lH' d U'd? Mf~. ~)PFAKEI~: Thf! hun. t-.hE:~ PI"E~~;'i.dE•nt of t·hE! Cuunr: ·i.l. Ml~. STMMS : Mr·. ~)pE~dkel", J am no t· cliAJat"E:' that i·:hf ~ q1H~st 'i. on, the,~ ;~l.l.E~ga'Li .on I:H~ ·i.ng r.ons:i dei"E:~d had i:lny thing t.o do tAJi.th 1:he co rnp r:tn y's ~ b j.J .:i.i :y t:o r.~ c c:~ss fun cJj ng from fe der al governn1 ent pro gt' i:liiiS, l.i .ke ACO n

c) r an ythi.n g like that nat ur e. The al le ga tion was , as T recol.lecf: , so 111et hi.ng l:o do with the co mp an y p erh ap s ha ving so met h in g to do wit h do·i.ng business with the pr ovinci al gove r·n ment. I undc~r ·st.and, .i:n fact , that that is not the case yet. Thc:! y have - not. . done nn y business wjth the pro vincia] go v E:~ r· nmE~ n t . Bui ~. I lAJl.l.l take ~:hl;! qut'!Si':.ion as notice i:lnd try to furt.her infor·mai-.ion on do not k not~J, I hru:l no ~ hey got a gnHti.".. MR . FF.NWICK : Mr . Speaker . MF?.

SPEAKFR : A F·inaJ ~;upplE!I'riE!nl:ai"Y, t h 1:• 111 e 111 b e i" F o r' M r:• n ·i. I 1 r:• k . M f? . H~Ni,\JT C I< : find s orne i.t. But ·I idea that l.he hun. Ti·IE:! rn:in'.i .sl'·c,~r ·.is COI"l"l"!CL, 1-: h (~! lJ.J'i l.h But:, l)r' i.q i.n<'ll "11l.E:!g<:tl·. ion IAJd!> r·P~:JC\i"d l·.o a fedeJ"a1 ~Jr'ant.. 1 as t. L•.Jf~ C'! k - MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.easel MR. FENWICK: th<'! Depar'tlllell t of announced a PI"Ov:inc:iaJ. quest.i .on is this: T:F I 2726 June 6, 1988 DE! v E:' J oprnc" n 1:: grant.

My y u u I< n c:'lAJ <:1 Vol XL month ago therE! was a possibi.lit.y of conflict of int ere st with the se individual s who work · for the p r· o v i. n c :-i. .-~ l go v e r· nrn I'' n -:~ a n d a r· 1-'!. on the board of d-:ir 'E•ctor 's of tld s sof hM•H': :' fir111, uJhy did yntJr government allocate a $21,000 gr',·\nl : lirldl:!t' .. , f1 111d l_hL'\1 ·. i·lc"\$ consj derable controJ by l.i1E : pro IJ i. n c i. i'\ 1. go lHi!r' nrn(:l n ·!:, .~ n d t.1.J•>u 1d not the minister adndt thi:lt i:hci'l: no 1.u i.:> a di .r8c1 ·. confl. :Lc:t of i n t e.r e s t and not a p o s sib :i.l it y of a poU:Hll · -i_,~J OrlE!? rJJ R .

S P E A K E R : The hon . the President of the Counc·i.J .. MR . SIMMS : Well, Mr. Speaker, I mean, one l::h"i.ng :is not- r·el.aLc'•cl t~o \:he other. The aJlegat:ion the hon. me n·d:)('• t' rni:l cJ E! 1. <~l ~~ 1~. rno n +·. h ·L n 1;1 l f~ L i::lH' to me is one that .I have had i.nVE:'s ·l·.-i.gal::c!l:l dnd it·. has gone through thE! process. ThE!rE! is d p r· u p 10! r· p t' o c e ~; s . [ rn ~:! d n , a p c;! r· s o n in this Province is not guilty s oi. 111 p l y b ~~ c iHI s ~~ t-.l-11-~ rn ~~ rn b e r· f o r Menihek gets up and say s he is . MR. LONG : He d:i .d noi~ do that '. MR.

SIMMS: ~~~;:----;:r;·;r··-·;:ro ·:· h '" L ' r l I ckt :; I" l'! r 1:! I" I I'd Lo thf'' LJ"ibunaJ. c\nd thi:lt -.:L~ ; ~Jo::i.ng L 11 r' u 1 1 g h !_ h .:• p r' n r: e ~; s . r·11

t) q 1 1 1-=• s \" i o n hl:! .is a~;kjng L:oclay ·is ~;:)rnt:·t·.hing 1".

I) I· i't J. l y s r:q:) d I" ''I 1·. (" F I" u lll I· h d l.: aJ.togE!thE!I". He J.s LJ"yo:i ng Lo l:.ir:· -; i: ·i_n ~>nlnHhot~J bu l· .L·:.-. ·is no 1: t i r:!d in. The on1y thing I can sa.v to Lhe hon. rnr~111I:HH' i.s t--.hd 1:: t:.h~:·re i.'; d ManagE!fTI(!rlt CommitteE! rnr.:tdE! up of FPdHr'dl./pr·ou inc i<'\1. orf-Lci.a1s and bureaucrats who make the r'r'!CUIIII'Itr:!l'll.lat:· ·i.ons on any rund:i.ng OUL of the OfFshorE! DovE•loprnen-L Fund. ~3o, .[ lfl<'!iHl, l do ned~ knOIAJ l:hE' anstAJE!r to h:is specific queslion. IAril.l hi:\l.!H t:.o chr'!Ck ·it: out <'lnd No. SO R2726

s~ :!~~ IAJhc:d. I Cc·\11 f·i.nd 01.1t "in Uw WdY of lnfor·rnabon . MR. \. USH: Mt· . SFH:~akHr . r"'R . SPFAI<Er~: Th~:! hon . the rnE!ITibE=•r for· Bonavista Nor·th . MR . LUSH : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. SpeakE:~r, I have a question for the M i. n :i. s t-. r:~ r of F i. s her i.e s . Yesterday afternoon rny friend and col.l.e,3\gue, l~h1·=! tnE:~rnbt!t' for Fogo (MI~. Tu1k), attE:~nded an ernE!rgE!ncy llHH:~ t.L ng i. n l..urnsdc·Hl l>~ri. t:h F::i sher·rnen 1 s Cornmj t:tc.;!eS frorn the d :i s 1·: r· i c t o f F o g o a n d fl o n r.w ·i s i'. a Nor l h .

You I" Honour· , I lAta n 1 to :i. n F u r· trl l'I·H=! 11 o c J s (~ H~<:l 1'. -1 "' s L I•J e (:d( i:\ fE"'"ocoi ou!; and tenac:j ous s I orrn h:i t ·1·. h l'! 1\J or ' l". h (:• ,., ~:; l·: Co<:'!~·; 1·. , r· C'! s 11·1 1". -j n g ·j n dE'!!;I-r·uct'.io n of Jump nets, JobsL~~r· p o t: s ;,, n d c o d t r· d p s , r· r.1 n 9 i. n q ·i. n darnag~~ f1norn '7S pE:H' C~Ht'l to 90 p~:>r' c~~nl ·. of Fish'i.ng gr,~ar for each fj!;hE:~rmen, affE:~cting thE:' J.j.lJel.i .hood, n~e~ll.y, of some 700 fishermen.

In view of this, I wonder can Lhe rninister i.ndicate whether he or his department offic i.als ;u·e fc:.·lln·i.l. i.ar· IAri.l::h tl·ds situation? And if so, whethE!r he cdn Vt '!r· -i.r::-y LhE~ s~=!l"i.OU!>I'll'•ss and LhP gravenes s of this situation? MR . RIDEOUT : Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: The hon. l::he Minisl::er of Fisheries . MR. l~fDFOIJT : Thr:~nk you, Mr· . Speetker· . T c d n a d v · .. i s f:' t· h l·! h o n . i·.hr:t L I~Jf" <'II" I-:! i'·WJdi~('! I hd ·l· s :·i g n if :i c a I' I t d C'! s ·I l" 1.1 c t j on •'tlung i.hu i\Jo;"ihi~Jc,ls ·l ...

Vctrious p1aces during L272'7 Junr:' 6, l91ll3 gent.J en1Mn !:; 0 Ill(! l) 1-:~ I'' y took plaCE! Co.:t<:.l . -j n a s 1=:! v E! r· E:! Vol X I_ stor·rn ldsi: I~H~Hk. Tn fact, -Ln !flY own district, particularly the c; r· r,~ ~=! n fl a y s :i d r-~ of 1·: h (:! d ~i. s t r· J. c t- - Nipper 1 s Harbour, Snook s Arrn, Round Hcu·botH', l·.:hal~ <H'·E:!a- ther·e IAJerE! tremE!ndous losSE!S a~; tAIE'1.1. So IAJI:~ ~lt:'l lJ c;! -L ns lr·u c l'.t:!d our· f·'i.e lei staff, Mr·.

SpeakE!r, to do a l)l:'ry u r· g E:! n t. ·~ ~; s (~ s s 1 n C'! n t o f- 1·: i'H.;! l o s s E! s , and instructions haVE! alrE:!ady gonE! out for· l:.h<:'l-1: l:.o be done i.n Lhe Fogo - Bonavista North area as well .. As soo n as we have that assessment we will attempt to d~al with the problem as best we c~n. Now the hon. g~~ntJr.~llli'Hl ·is aiAJiH'f'! no doubt that we do have a Pilot C J l J n E! ·1... l~ t;! p 1 d c r;! 111 1:! n l': P r· o 9 r· a 1 n t: h a t T bE!]ieve I announced in this Hou SE! lc:-1st Yl'!dY', l:hi.'ti: hopc::!fuJl.y Ci!ll'l bP of some clssoist.ance.

WE! have l:he I . u b s 1·. n t' f> o 1'. R e p 11.'1 c f'! 1 n e 1 d : f> I'' o q r· 0:'1111111 r:" for s e v P r· C'! J r'l s s E! s an cl d i:llna g r::• s , <.-H1 cl Ult:·1l: l·wp(~i-!1-ll.y .r> 'Hl hc! ur <)(.JJ!il:• a !> s i. s tan c P . I n t •~ r· ins o f 1 u n 1 p n E! l.. ::; 11~:;,,~d -in L:hc:! lwnp f-isher·y, of courSE!, therE' is not a pl"ogr·alfl r.d:. l'.ht:! tiiOfllf'JnL. i3wl".

Lh(:' f'i.r·st 1-.hi.ng we are doing is to do a quick d s s e s s me n i ·. a n d t h r,, n t~H~ IAJ"i . ll s E! e IAJhat we can do to i·IE!J.p a11ev:ia'l:E• l: he v ~=! r' y s to! r· "i.o tJ s lrli3 t 1". c:! r· t: h d 1:: h L~ ·.is raising. MR . LUSH: -----iVJr·. Spt=>.ahc!r' . MR. SPEAKER : TI1H hun. I he rnelnbr =!r' ft)r floni:'!v -i ~. l:.~ '! North. Mr~. LUSH : Thank you, Mr . Speaker . My qtlf:'S l:·i on t'Pd .ll.y -; s I"O t'E:! i.nfor ·ce what l~he rrdn:isb>.r· sai.d o:in his "' 11 ~' 1~1 u r· .

T <'~ ~'· !( 1'1'1 C! m-i. n .i. ~; I n t" t: h i s : Wou1d he r:· n~::ul~e that the !>UY' VE!y, I h::• ·i.ntJ 1-:! s L ·i.gc~ L ·ion, I•Jhr ·l Lev t:! r· 1'1E! c a1] :i 'l , j s c a 1~ r· :1 e ci o u t·. a ~; q I I ·L c k ., y I d ~; ,,, X pI '! I I J. 1-:i (I I I s l y I i'\ s poss:ibJE,, 1..\Jjtl ·l a vieiAJ to aclti~:·v::Lng i\Jo. GO f~2'727

tl.uo things: One, to try and sal.vag<-?. IJ.Jhat i.s left of this fishing season; and in an effort to determine what levels of cornpE·nsal":ion IJ.JE:' can giVE! f-.ishE:~rrnE:!n t·. o avo .i. d f i. nan c J a J. d :i. ~;a~; l·. <:~ r·? MR. SPI':f'l:<U~ : ThE~ hon. the Mj n:i stc ·H' of Fi shto!l"-.ie s. ~~f?. rn:DF.OUT: Thi'..tl'l k you, Mt", Spect k e I'· . Al.so, of co11rs8, T Forgo!: ·:-.o nrent:i.on :i.n rny prevj ous answer that I~J( "~ do hdl)(~ d Cod rr·i :'.lp l.f~.::t dr,~r· dnd Bot·torn r•E:!p]acE:HfiE!nl: progl~aru as 1~1 E! 1. J. . So T 1.1 n d EH' s 1·: i:\ n d I-:I·H~ r· <·:!

IJ.If>.r' E:~ sorne cod traps :in somE! ar·eas of l: he Pro v oi. n c E~ t h a 1: we r· :~ los t , 1: o o , so we can assist in that area . Y P. s , M r· . :') p e a k e r· , T h a v <:' :irrs Lruct.E:~d my offic:ials to gc;!t the a ~; ~; E! s s rn (;! n t d o n E:! a s q u 'L c k l. y a s humanly possible. MR. LUSH : A final supplementary, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKFR: A final supplementary, the han . the rne111ber' for · Bonav ·i.s t:a 1\Jor 1-.h. MR. I .. USH: :r 1~1a n l:. t o d s k t· h E:' rrri rd . s t e I" a q 11 r'! s-t. ·i on 'i. n r· r~ -, i:'l l ·i on ·t· o l h <·:!

Jolnt-.EH' l.r'<:~p b<:.~nks tn l:hE! ilrOIJ.i nr:n. r IAJOI1ciC!t' (,_:tn 1,/lH rnin:isU ·!I~, to he]p in lhoi~; ~;i .l:t.Ji:-11: -iun, l:o ht'!lp !·.H kl'! <'tl•l.:-tY LhP :i.111 p a c l- of t· !·1 E:! s -t

C) I" rn , a n cl a 1 s o i n v i et~J o-F i··.i·H"! l. 01~1 p r ·i. c :~ •; 'L iri s yo d r· for· J o b :- l e r· • ·t· he s e t1..110 fa c to rs • i.ndic.:tt.:~ JJJii.~! ~ nwnbers of l.obsi.<H' rrap:- are ava:iJ abJ e j n these 1. o b s t.0 t' tr·ap bank $ 1·. h roug hou ·l·. 1: he Province, and wh ethe r, in vi E!W c1f Lh<:~ se r·i.ousness of l:his ~ l:or·m in par ticular, the minister would be pre pared 1·. o ~· e d 1.1 c e t h r~ p r :i c e s o f these lobstE!r traps. and. indeed. g:ive thr:!rn fi"E!e l::o l·:hr:' f Lshl':!t'IIHHl? L.2728 June 6, 1988 Vol XL MR. SPEAKER: The hon . thr-?.

M .i.n:i.sh::~r of F·i.sheries. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr•. Speaker, check, b11l ·. 1ny I IJ.JOU1.d hdve t.o nH"! rno r· y s 1-:! r::! m s l··o l:r::.ll 20,000 me that IJ.Je haVE! ahou L I. o IY>

h) r· p o l: ~; j n v iH ' ··i o 11 s p ·""" \· ~; o f lhe Pr·ov:incc ;!. ' MR. W. CART~R : Botwood, T think . MR. RT.DfOIJT: Well, there arr:~ some :in Bot.wood. Th< -?.r t~~ ·'tr 'to) SOIIIH in ~)i :(: !phenv.il1e. They are located at var-.ious s I: r' •'1 t C'! g "i. c ct r' c~ a !; a r· o 1 1 n d l.: h c.:! ProvincE:1 tJ.JherE! we can lE :!ase spaCE! to si~on:! thnrn.

My memory seem s to te]J. me that: lAl e h a v e j u s t o v e r· the p F'l s t Win t c;! r . through the Social Services Pro g r· i~ 1n s and s Q on • r' e p 1 e rd s h r?. d our stock back up to t.hE! 20,000 tri:l.p l~ ~vc~l. wh:l .d t i.s wher t~ we IJ.J~nt it to be, having soJd a number of those pots diH' i.ng s l:.orm damage situations last year. In tE!rms of reducing thE! pr·icE!. of COIH'Sl:~, l:h .. d: I~JOUJ.d hdVf:! t.O br'' d government decision, a Cabinet d r~ c i. '' "i. o n . T l·w p r· i. r: ~:! o F t. i·lf:! p n t s is set by a Cabinet order.

We 1~1 i l ·1 c e r· l. •·1 i. n ly d >; ~:; c :. ~:· ~:; I . : 11c! '' i t. u a t i. o n • M r· . S p E! a k 1::• , .. , d n cl lo~lc:> I}J·i.ll di .·l·r;!rnp1 io bH ;·:,•:; F .. !r :·x ·ibl.r-:• .-"1~:. IAJe cdn tAri Lh:i .n the co11S l.J"a:int<; ol~ : h :~ p t' o y r· ··1 rn l: h .:t l-. l•lr.' ''~I" 1-:! ,.,n r· k "i i 1 q u nd e ,,., . MR. TULK: flo1r . ~)pH<'li<EH', Ml\ . ~3PEAKER: ThE! hon. thE! rrtE!HibE!r' For' Fo~~o . MR. TUL.K: Mr· . ~3 peak E~ r· • weJl for F t s h c:• r··i. e s • No, 50 I hat.Jr,:! the connr::•ct:erJ a quest. i.on ('i.s M:in:islel~ of f·.o t.llH SdlrtE! R2728

uw wl··. i. n g 1-. lvd: ~~~ ~~ h r,~ l d y r;! :; ·Lt,~ nl a y . ThE:~ rrri.rl'lsi.EH' is probably au.tare at L h :i. s p o ·oi. n t ~·-h d i: r'l 1: i: h 'i. !; p o i. n t ·i. n ·U me.:~ t-.hE!Ine arE! approxima"l:e1.y 700 1-:i.shr-~nnnn on l·:i·H~ Nor·i:h Fr'tSI : Coc~~;i: of t·he Pr·ouinCE! who are t: ~'! c h n j c all y I b P c e1 1 J :; e o f ·I: h C'! J. o s s I UI'IE!rnpJ.oyecl.

I say to the minister that much of this l. o s t. gear !Ale a r· e tal. k i. n g about is still unpaid for, bE:~cause we have had lotAI pr i.ces thJs year· as compared to Jast year and, of course I we have had l.OIAI catchc,~s I and now the wherewithal to catch a bi.t of fi.sh i.s gonc,1 as well. T say to the minister that there is a ver·y r·~~<:ll poss:i.bi l.·U:y l:.hat _ H10se debts ar'E:' not: goj ng to be rE!paid . ~)o I r:1sk him, i.n l.hr-~ r·~~v"i.~>.l .. ll of t:hr,~ s:ituat:i.on hE! is car·ry:ing oul:l as l:o cOHipr-Hl'>di · ion frH' F·i shrn"IW:!n I i.f hE:!

Ci-Hl COIItp(,!ll!;at.E! f· . .i.sherTJ'IE'II 1 L~l:ill he! 1:..-ilkt'! l:h·i.~; ~;t· .. :tl.E>. of "i.ndebl·c:•dnc•·;~; t J·, <:t l: h Cl s o b v :i o u s J y b c,~ e n c a u s e:~ d b y lOI!I~H' pr• ·i.Cl'!!i th.:Hl Hl'lY oF tl!i expE:!ch:'ld, T think, and thosE:~ thr'E:~c~ <:H't:~i'IS end tr'df>S, •'lnd p a r· U c u J a r'l y · l u ru p r o e a n d 1 o b s t e r gP.r:li' -· i.Hld '1-he ri:'\r:l~ !-:hat i:hP.y hdV!·~ rtot~l lost dlJ ti'H:':'il" gecU", and· most o f ~~ h o s e. f :i. s h f~ r· rn E~ n a r· n :i. n d e. b t--. d n d ot~JE:! various fish and supply corn p <~ n ·i. ~~ s , IAIO u l d h c,, t·. r.\1< e t hi. s stale of indebtedness that f i. s h e r' rn e n n o IAI f i 111 :I 1·.: It e 1 n s c::• l. v u :; -i. n into account when carrying out his SUr'V(!Y and h--i.s a~;SE''SSrrJ('!Ilf-.? r"'R .

SPEAKER ; The hon. the Minister of Fisherjes . MR . /UDEOUT: Mr· . SpE!aker, onCE! IAJE! gE! t the r· ~~ p or· t f r· c:) rn o u r· F t ~'! l. d p E! r' ~; o n n r-:! l IAJ ~'! IAt:i J 1 bE• review:i.ng \:.he mat l:EH' and IAIB IAiill . COI 'l~;-i,dt'!r' <'\Jl rdci --.Ur'S in t. h C\ ·( r' e U E:' :i IAl i II k E! E' p j 11 9 IAri. l h (: h ('! ~;(-:!r'to1.1sne::~ss of· l:h(-:~ :incJ.ud:.irt~J thE• facl-ol"~; by 1--.hc:! hun. gr.:!nl-.l.Uitl>'tn. 1./.729 .Junr:! 6, 19BB S ·i. '1'-.IJ d l: ·j () 1'1 1 just: l"cd fiE~d lJo l X 1 . ri!R. TUJ.i< : l'o1r . SpE:~akE!r. MR .

SPEAKER: lhn hon. -!:he IIIOIIIbf'!r for· Fogo . MR. TUI.I<: Would the m:.inister take into c o n s i. d I-'! r a L :i. on l: h-'~ 1·: 11.1 he n 1:. h E! J" (:! a r' e a farmE!rs in this country, and I am tal.kJng about the count.r'y of Canada, who have problems, thE:~ federi..'ll. gover·nment immedJ.al:.e1y steps in to try and he!J.p thE!ITI, as t.ht~Y shouJ.d, 'i.n rny opi.n'i.on, l!Lit.h E!mE!rgency funding . Would hE! also L: c:t k r~ ·i. n +-. o c o n s i. d c-:~ r· a t. i. on +: he thought of approaching - MR. MORGAN: rhr,, do l.:·i.b~~r'i:'tl. it: . We goVE~I"I'lii!OI"'I:-. t.r:i .E~d hard 9 C'! 1: ·i 1".

I bu ·l·: your· F'l" .i. c:! nd s IAIOUJ.d not he] p. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! r"'R . TIJ L K : IAIOUl.d not enou~Jh Lo i. n 0 t·. 1·: 61'''"' Push your g1asses up so J lAd 11 bE:! r:'lbl.t;! 1--.o !)t,~f:~ yr)l( brd:i:~·r. Would l.:hE! tn-i.n·i.s-t·c,~r·~ tAihC.:!I'l hr. :• l.ook~; at the problem, consider a p p r o r::t c h 'i. n g 1·: h :~ f ~~ d H r· a l. g o v E~ r· n rn E! n t. to take into consideration the r ''I c 1-. L h d (·: 0 I I r' F i ~; li ('! I"' I f)(! 1'1 <.'I n d FarmE!rs should be on LhE• saiiiC' bdsis i'lnd ·1-1-Jr-,\l--., i.ncJ(:•c:•cJ, th•:!

l) s hou] d ~J c• 1: in tJ o 1 v E!cl j_ n cnJ(' r'~JC'! n cy funcli.ng s--i+· .uat-.:i.ons ,_,\s IAJE:•ll? MR. SPEAKEr\ : Thr,~ hon. i·:hl,~ M·i .n--i s 1--.er' of F i.~;hc:!l"ies . 1\1 R . In D E 0 lJ T : Mr. Speaker, the first thing we iH'H go ·i ng I o do ·j s (jt:' 1:: ;:Hl assessrnenL of !::hE• SE!r':iousnE·s~:; of U1r• s ·i l:t.l.:-\ J ion, 1.1-lc:! ~; ::! r··.-i 011 ~; n:'' s •; or t·hE:! 1os~;, LhE! cJ()]J.;~r va]ur:> of LhE: ! -1 o s s ~:! ~; , .. , n d ·~. n t.hc~! magnitudE'! No. r;() o n I i·\ n d o n c :'• of I:: hE'! J.o ~; ~; l.lU'! k n Cl lAl I.. hen L~Jr• R2'729

will determine what other steps have t.o be taken. Secondly, I should say to the hon. gentleman, M r . S ~H~ a I< e t' , t h a t. o n c~! o f HH '! things I haVE! tried to move along o v <:! r· 1··. h c->. J a s 1-: t h r· E'! e y •~ d t" s i. s t h e :irnplentE•ni :at:Jo n of so mE! kind of a g e a r :i n s u r· a n c (! p r' o g r· a rn . r he prob] E!ITl I have j s that I cannot F.Lnd anybody t.~d.J.l"i.ng to !:ouch ·-L-1-., :inclucfjng the F:i.sher·men's Union.

T gur-~ss i.l: "i.s not- . an l-:~•'lSY 1-.lri.ng i··.o put togE:d :h~~r, but on sc~1vera1 o c: c "' s i. o n s o lJ ~~~ r· 1: h e l. d !; i·: i: h r· r-~ r~ yP-ai"S I helve tr:ied to get a pilot p t'CH:Jr' am go ··i. ng ·1: o s c-~ f:' i. F tm~ co ttl. d do sornethj ng of a p~H·rnanc-:!nt nature so Hldt~ l:.hl;!f 'H I•Ji-ll. br~~ •"'~ Pt'09l"•"'ITII UH:!I''C-:! to l"ec.H:t. t.o this ld ncl of 1: h i. n g . R 1.1 1·. , l. 'i. lu~ I sa i. d , T h .:we nol · bE:!E~n ablE:~ to at.t.ract any "i. n 1:: (·'! t" ~''! s i·: :i. n i, l.: I nol r·E:~pr'E!SE!rtLal.:iVE!S of ·i-_h('!IT1!>C:!1Vr;!S, 1.1.1h.i ch :i.s MR.

BARin : Mr . SpeakE!r. MR. SPEAKER : ('!V(~t'l i:lfiiOI'lt:j i:he thE:' f:ish<:~r·rnE!I'l 1: h H i. I" U 1'1 ·j 0 rl . The hon. the member for Mount Sci.o -- Bel1 Islr.lnd . MR. BARRY : Mr.

SpE~aker, I IAtoul.d l.i.ke l:.o ask a question to the Minister of J u !> i. i c E" ( 1'-1 s V ~~~ t' g P ) , o r· p o s s ~i b 1 y LhE" President of Treasury Board. [ tAdll J.r:>-'!t)H .i.l. up Lo '1-ol-lr-:!lfl ,,,., l.o IAJ h j c h o n l:\ IAJ r.1 n t. ~; 1": o d Pal IAt: :i Ut :i l: . :r: IAJOrlriPr' IAJCHtld e·i .i:her' tfl"in -ish~r· oirtdJcatE ·! lo tl·te HousE:' t.-.l·tc~~ pos·:.i ·l:ion of yovc·r ·n utnnt: tAd i:h r'Hs pnc t-. "i:o 1-:hr~' I"E:!quPst of tl'tE~ l~oydl NE!IAifounciJand c!) n s 1·. c;l b I tl d I" y r:· 0 r· Hw r· ·i. 9 h 1. :-. 0 l:ll-~ cH' iH'TII~;?

MR. ~:;p[()I(E:I~ : Th(.~ hon. l:hn r·~-i.n i.s·i·HI" of .Jus 1·.:-~ c::! . MS VFr~CE: M r . S p ~~ cil k (! r· , 1-. h t'! p o ~; ·.i. 1·. -t. o n of I·· II i !> adrnini~;l:ration, based on advice of L2'730 June 6, 1988 Vol. XL the Chief Net.~tfoundl.and therE! is no of thE! Royal Constabulary, i.s t.hat need for· Cons tabulat"Y rnembE~rs l~o b~hH' <H'tns. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, hear·! MS VfRGE: ThE! pr·:;!~;~:~nl: Ch·ir'!f, Chlof'" has reCE!nt]y given nil:! Coady, that i:ldlJ·i cc,~. Hi .~; prE'!dr-~Cf'!S!>Ur's cons:isteni:Jy he1d that v:ir::!W, that pol.

"i. c: "i. n 9 i" r,~ q 1 J ·i r· r~ 1 n r~~ n 1·. ~; ·-j n n u r' Provincr:1 do not nr:1cessj Lat-e off ·i.cer·~; t'Oitl: 'i.rH :'ly Ci'lrr·yi.ng cH'ITlS . Thr:~ pol j cy also provides fot" thE! - t'8gt.tl.dr' l:r·ai.rdng of off"i.cer·s, training that is given :in thE" p r· r-~ s r~~ r·

t) i r: e p h a s (·) b ~=! f. o r· rc. 1·: h r~ y a r· r~' act u a 11 y ITtd dE! off :ice r· s , at H o 1 1 an cl Coll.r:!gH ·in Chdr"lo!--.+:(·~i:ot•Jn, dncl i··h,:!n on an ongo:ing inserv:ice basis, 1--.r·a ·i.tri t'lCJ i.r ·1 l,.hH u~;t '! oF F i.J"('!dl"tlls. WhE!n in t:h,;! cour'SE• of J"e spond:i .t'lg to d:i.fF ·"i.culi~les, t .. hr:! pol.ico f:::•Hl that there is a nE~ed to USE! arrns, 1:: h e n s 1.1 p c~' r' i. o r· u ·F f :L c (~~ r· s~ , "i. n l:. h l'! i r' discreUon, may authoriZE! thE! use of an11s iitnd issue t!·H ~!lTl 1-.o l~hc~ officers.

This is a poJ:icy that.: hl'ls servc-~d our· Prov i.ncr-:• VE!r'y well ~nd WE! seE! no nE!ed to depart. fr·orn i.l. Mf~. BARRY : A supplementary, Mr. SpE"Aker . MR. ~3PFAI<Ff~ : A supp]E~ntenlat"y, Lhe hon . l:.he Ill!'! ill b (! r' r U r' rl)

f) I I n I: :·) c i n i'l (! 1 "l. Island. Ml~. BAfH~Y : Mr· . ~-) ~ll'! d !u:! r', 1~10 tt"l cl i h f'' 111..-i tri . s ~--t.:. r· indicate to l:he HousE:! IAthE'!thel" thj s ··j ~; <·1 ~; l'! t' i 0 1.1 S ·j ~;. •; I I C'' ·j 1'1 I , h 1:! of negotiations wilh t.:he N (;!io~J F o 1.1 n d -1. i:l n c1 Cons :··. c:·l b ul r:''· r· y ? MR. SPEAKER : (: 01.1 t' s ('> f\oydl fhE" hon. the Minisi"".er oF Ju stice . No . SO R2'730

MS VERGf: M r . ~) f>E:~ i'l k c~ r· , T r· n R ll y <: d n n o t-. commE~nt. on :i.n'l .E:~l"nCJ.l collect:lvE:~ b a r· 9 a i n 'i. n 9 n c-~ 9 o ·t:-i . ~-~ 1: ·i. o n s , o r' specu]cd ·E:! CJ.bout the IJJeight g:iven l:o v.:n· ·i.ou~; i.!;~;~ws by UH~ tnerni:H:!r·~; of t·hE~ assoc:i.<~tt:lon. Mf~. f3!1i~RY : A f:inC~J supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPF::AKFR: A final supplementary, the han. Bell. t I'Ho~ ITIC:~mb (·H' for· Mount. S c i. o Island. MR. BARRY: Mr.

Spc~akE~r, would l::hE~ rnin'i.st.E!r' or· the President of Treasury Board Jncl-i.cat(~' IAJhet:h(·H' l:.h"i.s i.s an i. i":E~1n which is on the table in the course of ongoing negoti.ations with the Royal Newfoundland C o n s 1:: a b u l. a r· y ? Mf~. SPFAIO::r~: The hon. the Pr·esi.dent of the Cou n c i.l.. r.I!R. SIMMS: Ml". SpE~clkc"!r, many it ems on the nE~go 1: 'i.d i·.-i ny 1-.i'lblc dr'e no1·: rH:! CE:! s s C! r J J y a J ll.k::t y s t he :it. ems t. hat bol·.:h s-i.dr:!s agrf~c~~ t·.o. fliJi:, tAri.lJJ lhE:! gr'E'!i-::tt.E'!St of respect. to his S p c-~ C "i. f i. C q 1.1 H S ·1-.

"i. 0 n , J 1~101.11 d p r• H f H 1" no l: l:o "i.nd:l cate Lhat: ~H:!cauSE! 1-.0 I flO r''l" OIAJ h l~' 1/J i.l.l l:Ho! II p aSk i. 1'1 9 , 1 [ S th:i .s on the t:ablE!? 'and the next: d<iy hE! IAJi •• ll. bH up a~:;ki.ng, '11\lr:!l.l, is thjs on the table?' AD I can SfJ.Y, and I am happy to say it., by l.ht:! IAJ<:ty, is l:.lidl­ nE!gotial::i.ons haVE! l"esurnE•d IAJith thE! Constabulary. As you know, they bJnokE! off a couplE>. of L\JE!eks ago, but IAH·l. hi'!Ve t:hetn bdck <::tl-·. ·H11"! "!-able aget:in today.

Ail lTlr.lt l'.E•r·s put. on UH"! 1-.db-lr! by bo Lh ~; i LiHs I!J'i 11. be~ ciddressed, and hopefully at the E:!nd IAII'' I!Jj ']J lld,JC'! c"~ co:·llC:!Cl.i .VH agr·eornen'l:. 1./.'731. June~~ 6, l9ilB 1Jol. XI . MR. K. AYLWARD: 1'-1 r· . S p (~ a k C"! r . MR . SPF.Al<FR : The hon. ~3 l·. c,~ p l w n v i l. -, :~ . Mf~. K. AYI .. WARD : t_ h (~' mE!rnber· r hank you , M1·· . ~3 p ~:! d k C:! l" • for· I have a question for the Minister of Labour (Mr. f:ll.anchar·d). Could the rn:inister inform thE!

HouSE! as to the pol ·i.cy of tt1e Workers' Compensation Board with reference to accessed inforlflclt:.i on by claimants? Could he tell u~ if cl.a i.rn;,1nts hdV c;! 01AJ11 t.o P•"lY filE!S For· cop-ies of thEd.r IJJhE!I'l lho:•y r·c;!quc~~s ·t thc~'m? Ml~. SPEAKER : The hon. the Min:l.ster of l .. abour· . Mf~. Rl...ANCHARD: r"1r'. ~3pHr\ k ::!r'' -i_ f T •'11fl no L·.

J(l'i s l".".i'l k ::! n' that same quest:ion was asked Jn L h c~~ 1·1 o 11 s e by L hI'! hI) n . 1.1 H:! trll "! n·JI:) C:! r· for ME~nihEd< fHld IJ.Jas anstAJEH'E!d son1E:! t.U'! e k ~; .:·l go , s o :i. 'i: ·i ~; ''' r· H p ~~ i: :'i.l·. :L o n of a question, but. tL has been l o o k ::! d i. n '1-: n . Ml~. K. AYLWARD: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . Ml~. SPEAKER: () S 1.1 p p J r;!l r1 P n 1-. i:lr' y , 1-. l'Ho! hi) 1'1 . I: he mE'•nibE·r· for St.epl'lE•nv:i.lJ .E· . MR. 1<. AYLWARD: 1'-1 r . s pea k l'! r· ' r· () r· I".·. I H>. I:H'!I'l EO! r i 1:.

C) r-­ sornE· o·F us, or· for rnysel f anytuay, IAJO II J. d 1-: h ~:! lf1 i. n i. S 1'". H r· a 1-: 1·.: ('! fl1 p 1: t 0 answer the question yes or no? Th(~n, "i.f +.:hr>.SE! pc:!opl.E• lkJho r·equHst: t h Ed r OL~Jn f i l e s h a v e t o p d y f e E! ~:; , d (l (.;! c; h (" (:1 <:) t' (0 (~~ IAJ j i"" h 1·: h C'! f.l () 1. j C \j (l r Uw b of.! r d to c h a r g E! p C:· o p] E! , lA I h o cdn J.c~''''sl ·. <"·1f"for·c:l 1--.o PdiJ l·.hesE '! Ft•r'•s? Mf~. ~3PFAI<U~ : The hon. the Mj nj s LE!r' of Labour·. l\]1) . !)() R/.731

MR. BLANCHARD: M r . S p E?. ,!l k e t• , whet he r· or no t T agree with the poJ:icy of the board is irre1euant. Obuious1y if it creates a hardship on somebody who has alr·e;:.,dy hdd an acc ·tdE!nl-: 1 ·i.l. ·is to be regretted, I guess. But i!lctual.ly that IAJas iHlSWE!r'Pd i.n HH,~ House. M R . S T.I'-1MS : They can actUcllly go in at it without pay·ing any fee.

MR. fli..()NC:-tnfW: and k-i. nd look of a As rny coJ.Jeague, the House Leader·, hds s;~\ -i.dl Ml". ~)pr,~r:qkc'!Y'I l".hr'!Y can CJ.c:tuaJJy go in, and t..hc,~y can t·ake d fH:~rson 14J "i. i·.h U'lHIIII 1-.oo, ;~tnd E:!Xc!lnd ne ·t-hE:~oi I" f:i 1~~~;. T l1 E:! h o 1'1 . rn e rub E:' r· f o I" S t E! p h e n u 'i J. J e i s s h <:\ k i. n g h :i. s h t:! d d n o . M ;:·\ y b f'! h t'! t.uants to (J,Jr· ·.i.te rrtC'! on it:, CH' doc IJlflE'! n t 1:·. h<'! d c l:.ud 1 c d s C:! and IAJP (J,JjJ.J haue it looked at. I am s tn' t,~ 1 r'lll r· . S p e a b.;! r I i.

F T lAH'! r· e 1:. o get. inuolued in trying to juggle the policies of the board euery other day, there u.JOuld be c r 1 t i c i. s m abo u t t h a. t. I be c au s e ther·e is an App~~aJ.s TribunaJ. for things Li.ke that. Maybe if the hon. member· IJ.Jants to ask me about i.t. pr-i.uabd.yl or· l~.lr'i .h~ Tn<'! CH' g:i.uc'! ITIE! ITIOY''E! :inforrnat:iOn 1 1 IAJ:.i.J.J. AclUE• i. t t'!XdiTI i.nf~ci. Ml?. 1< . AYLWAIW : A f:-inC:t] supp]E!ITIE:!n'Lai~Y~ Ml". SpE•akE!I". Ml? . SPF()K:::J·? : A f:i.naJ . suppJernenl-ai"Y~ · the hon . l". h e 111 <:! 1 n b t'! r· f o r· ~; I: t'! p h c-~ n l.J ·i ·1. l ,,~ .

Mf?. 1<. ()YL.IriiAIW : Ml" . SpeakE!Y 'I T IAJou1d ]jkp, t-o kl 'lOIAJ IAJ h 0 ·j ~; r·· r:! ~; p

C) l'l S ·:i, b l (! i- 0 I'' I". I 1 I'! Wor·ker·~;' Compens<'l t'i on 13oai "d I unclE!!" IAJhosH jur ·isrl:i.cL·ion i.-1 cornnsl .. i.F not Lhe M-Jnj ster· of l_aboU!"? · WE!lJ, C 0 U l d h f:! C h ('! C k i. i·:

r) U 1:. f 0 r· I I S ? [ L2732 June 6, 1988 Vol XL haue rnany caSE!S of pE:~ople IAJho arE! requesting coples of their files and so on so they can prepare +:hc,~rnsel.u<:!S for i:h.i.s I.!Jonder-ful Appeal Tribunal that is IAJOrk:ing so IAH:! l. l. I ~~ o o b u i. o u s l. y lAIC'! 1.11 a n d o n e that i.s suppoSE!cl to bE! inciE!pE•ndE!nl: and eueryth.i.ng · el.s!:'. Coul.d hE• tE!ll us if hE! IAiill. dwck inl::o the pol.:i.cy and g:i.UC'! I.IS an iHlSIAJC-:>r•? MR. SPrAKER: Ti·H~ hon. UH~ Mini st.er· of l..i:.t.bour·. MR.

BLANCHARD: fl.1r·. ~)pr,~dkr::H', J dHI nol-. t-.oo sur·r-~ IAJhy the hon. rnernber :i.s raising all of l:ho!;c,~ i.s!;llc-~!;. Sure, I c.tiTI respon~;:ible, Ml". SpE!aker·, they r· r,~ p o ;" 1·. ·t·. h t' o 119 h HI!:~ . B u +: t-. her n -i ~; ;·~ Board in place wh:ich is r· ~~ p r· (:' <; CHl t a L ·i l.l (,~

I) r 1~10 I" k (~ !" s a<; lAIC ::! ., 1. as employers (J,Jho pay the a s s r:! s s rn r:! n i ·. s . rlu 1-. T do no i:: k n CIAI h OIAJ rna n y t.: .i.1W:! ~=; I U.HJ tell. the hon. TTIE!rnber I Ml". S p ~~a k e r· , 1:: h a I~ T U.Jo ul d be happy L o look into any aspect that he wants looked ·i.nt.o and IJJ-i.l.l. CE!rta.i.nly question the Board on it. MR. FUREY: M r· . S pea k e r . .fi.R._.~_ ... _~!:._~8_l<_,f_B : The hon. the rnernber· F"oJ" St:. Bai"be . MR.

FUREY: r.IJr·- :·)pt=!r·\ku r'' .r: hi.·\1)( ,: "' ·::11.11-'!S i· ion Fo r·· the Minister of Agriculture . 1 "' o 1 1 1 rl l -j k r:• L o rAJ P 1 r: u 1 n f;! lri 1 n b i'l c k fr ·on1 h:.i s t.J":i.p to l..he Un:i l.Pcl ~)l :di'.H!>. r I•IO!ldr :!r' cou]r:l LhH rrd rd s t C·'!Y' t e] J. the 1·1 o us r:~ '"'' h y l: he rl o s I· on IJI h o ·1 c.:! s .:-\ 1 I'! p r· i r": c;! 1::- or · c u c u rn b E! r· s :i s t h :i I" l:. ·y c e n t. s Canad ·i •'11'1, IAih i.-ll:' i 11 N PI•iFol .llllf 'l .:'•lid the wholesale price i s sr,,unnl:y -n in n CPn1 :s Canad i.dn? l"lhy -.is :it that a PI"Ocluc t gi"OtAII1 IH 'J"(: • :in Nc~IAJfolindldnd co~; 1·.~; nr-:!ar·ly i·:hr·ec· :!

No. 50 R2732

t'imc->.s 1-.hc,~ arnnunl~ he:~r~~ as l:hl':~ sr.une pr·oducl: del. i.vc~ln(~d ·l·.o l:hc,~ Bos l~on ffldlnkc;!l.:? Why "i.s i.l: (·.ha·l: Nowfoundlancl l:nv'.iropon:lcs, Mr·. S p t~ "' k u r· , ·i s c h ,., I" g ·i. n g N F! thJ F o u n d J d n d e r s n C'! a r· J y t h r E! e t ·lm e 5 Lhc:! diiiOI.Inl ... th;~+· ·i.!-. ·i.:; dhH'Ij·i 119 i I!) AmE~J":i can custonlf!J"s? MR. ~3PfAI<FR: The-~ hon . th ::! Agr-:i cuH.ure 0 c,~ v t->. J.o prne n i· .. MR. POWF.R: Ml.ni.s hn· and 0 r RLiri'l J.' Northern Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for his welcome back to the House. I did not think that I was missed.

We had gone through almosi: all of Question Period and no questions about cucumbers. I thjnk th~' last day I t.~Jas in th~' Hous(:! l~hc,~ PI·'E:!In ·ic:!r <:\nd I: ·i.~::sul:!d a sLalement and we both confirmed, arl:c->.r· QUC:!S 'I·:i.n n Peri.od, Lh<:! fac:l: that Lue IAr:i 11 not be answEH'ing t.hosc ,~ ki.nds of de->. 1:_;_., U. quPs l·.i.ons about thE~ Sprung OrganJzation. We hav'~ no i.ntenl~:-i .on of do'i.ng il .... We,~ found evE:'ry t:irne JJJE~ trjed to do 1-.l'li.'\l: IW~rnbc,'t's oppo!;i l:u OJ" per·son:;. jn ·t-.he press u.Jould rrd5con5tlnue IAJhi:\ 1·. 1~)(,~ IJ.JC,~rE~ S i'I.Y ·i. 1'19. Thf'!

NeiJ.if 01.1 ndl cUld ::: nt.ri .I"O po n i c ~; F d c i ] :i. t. y j s g o :i n g l-c.1 I" LH I . a n cl , d s I Jflr:>nl'..ioJlc~cl ·i.n L-.h( :! lr:-g :is]dl.ur·r:! 1-.hl-'! 1 a 5 1: d d y J Ltl i'l S h ''' I" e , I i.~d 1 ] b E! g l <1 d '1-.

C) rfl<-\ I< t,:, d ~; I·· cid: e:! f1 )( '! r1 1: I lJ1·1 (! I' I IAH:' g:. i.ut :! OUJ" F:il "st F:inanc:iaJ. sLat.ernE!nl: a I~ L he,~ c~ nd oF l:.iJ.Je l.u l:!. rnonl:·.h s. MR. FUREY: Mr . Speaker, a short suppJ.ernentary . Ml~ . SPEAKER: Or·der·, pleaSE!! !"he t·i 111~1 Fo1~ Or''''l. qul'!S 1:.-i.ons hi'tS E!.l.apSE!d. I 2'733 June 6 • 1-9 8 8 UoJ XL Answers to Questions for wh ich No ti ce has been Given MR . ~)PF:F\Kf.R : Tht.c! hon. t.he Mi.n:i 5l:er· of Labour· . MR. RLANCHAfW: 1'-1 r· .

S p (:! i-1 k C'! r· , '.inforrnat .Jon to TflPIIlbt:'rs oppo:; ·i. h-'!. want to try, p o s s j_ b l. c,~ , I: o TribunaJ.. They do ·i.l:. u.Jor·k·i.ng, so complete answers t:abl.E~. h,::tu u LablE! For· S UlriC'! hon. l 1-. S E~ t':!lllS 1: h (,' y by all means d·i.scr·t,di.l ·: t:hE! not likE! to set~ T have some to questions to Orders of the Day MR. SIMMS: r•1r' . ~3 p l'! a kf:! r· , IJ.Jf~ I.1J i. -, l. first readings here: t.lo d Mot. ·ion fr::'IAJ No . I, '1. . r1oti .on, l:he hon. l··.hr~ M:i.n .i.s lt'!r' oF Justice to introducE! a btlJ., 11 An Ac+: Resper:L·i .ng TI'H'! Fnfor·r:r :!JrlfHlr.

Of Suppor·t Ordc,1rS, 11 CiH'r:iE!d. (BjlJ. No. S/.). On mol·.·ion, first. time, rn 1. J. j>.)() . r-;?. Ol"derE!d r·~~Cld l·.'i. mH on '1-:tllnorr·olll. MR. STMMS: Mot:ion 12 . i"Udd d a S(~cond Mot:ion, thE! hon. tht.'! M . . I f. J.nJ .5 :.E!I'·· 0 JI .Jsl·.·ict-:. L:o Lntr·ocluc:::. a bt .ll, ''An Act Respecting The Reciprocal [nfort:E'!ITIHn 1·: Of ~)upport. carl"iE!d. (BiJ.l No. 51). On rnot·i.on, Bill. No. ~.i l. fir·s t tj 1110. or·dered read 1:.-.i ute on l·:o rnori"OIAI. Mf~. SIMMS : r"'o l:·:i.on I 3. No. 50 Or'dl>.rs," r'E'!dd .~ a second R2733

_;._ Mot i. on , 1··. he h on . t: h ~~ M "i. n :i. s hH' of Justice to introduce a bill, "An Ac-t: Rf o!Spect.·i .ng The:~ l..i'! IJ.J Of The Family, 11 car·d.e:~d. (Bill No. SO) . On rnoU.on, B·iJ.l No. 50 read a f'lr·::;t t ... i.me, order·ed r·E ~tid a !;econd time on tomorrow. MR. SIMMS : Motion 14 . MoUon, the hon. the Minister of J u s t i. c e t o 'i. n -!:: r· o d u c t:~ d b i. l. l. , " A n Act Respecting The Law Of c h :i. 1 d r· P. n , 11 c <H' r· :i. e d . ( fLi. ll. 1\J o . ll. 9·) .

On rnol:i.on, n·i."J.l No. 1~9 r· P. <'1 c/ ~~ F j I" s t t-. j 111 o , o I" d E:' I'' C:! d r· e c~ d c1. socond L :i. If)(~ 0 n to HI o I" Y' 01.11 . MR. SUIJMS : ----··--Mc.Jl-.-ic>n lS . MotoiCHI, 'l-hE·! hc)JJ. the Mtn:i stE•r of ConsUitll:~r· ArFa :i.r·~; <HH:I Conunun:-i.cdi: i.on to in t I'' o d u c E! a b i 11, " An A c t To 1 n c

t) r· p o r· d L: (,~ T h E~ n s s o c .i. a i·: i.o n 0 f Professional Engjneers And Geoscientlsts Of Nei.~Jfoundland, 11 carried. (Bill No. 54) . On mot:Lon, B:i .l.l No. 5•1- first time, ordered read tirne on tomor·r·ow. MR. SIMMS: Order 19, Mr . Speaker . read a a second Mol·:jon, second l"eacling of a bi.l1, 11 An A c 1:. To AlTHo! nd Tl·w l'-1"i. rH:! r·,:11. HoJdjngs Impost Act .. " (BilJ . No . l?) Mf~. SPFAI<Ff~: ThE:! hon. c·ldj ournurl nol spokc,~n . Ml~. FH\1\F"R: LhP I .. he=! member for Gander cl r'!IJ d l·y c'II'H .I h t" h i·h l h c'll'l k y o 1.1 , M r' . ;.) p c-'! d k r'• r· .

Jus L l:o ·~;LIIIIl'rli.H'"i /.!"!' 1Jri .s p.-n·l ·-i.cu ""l oH' I. 2?34 June 6, 1988 UoJ. XL. b :i. 1. 1 , 11 A n f.l c 1-. To A rn C'! n d T h f'! M ·i. n ~:! r· a 1. HoJ.dj_ngs Impost Act, 11 i.s to make a c ha ngc,~ :i. n 1:. hal: pari ·.: -L c 11 J a I" Impo s l:. Act which would drop the r· fo! q 1.1 :i. r E~ rr1 ~~ n t L h a -1- a f .. i. n c~ For· non--devE•loprnent, if I can put :.lt i:hat ,,~,ay, nol: : bt! pa .icl d·ft :C::' Y' tht=! mineral rights to the land is taken back by governrnenL. · The purpose of thE!

Act, as we have bc,~c,~n l:ol.d by 1-.:hE'! rnJn-Lstc,~r. 'i.s l:.o prevent companies, really, if I can pu 1: ·i. t Ln my l)llJn u1ords, from holding on to land leases for a long l·.c-:!r' lll on s p r.~c ul.r.l l-.i.o n ·and, therefore, tying up Jand in Lh e Pr:ovi .nc1 ,~ .

T n 1. 9 'I 8 , g o 'J 10· r· n rn e:~ n t·. ~; diAl l' i I· 1··. o c h a r g C'! c o rn p a n :i e s a c P I" t. a i n a rn o u n t. of ii!Onuy fliC!r' hnci: <H'P. firi ~; chdr·qc~ r·apjdJy escalat:.ed fi"OI'TI 19'/B to l9B/., o\l'ld i·.hr'! pUI"pOSC:! oF l.hC'! ,:.-tel·: was to get bac k the righl s to t~ x p1 . or 0 on 1 •H I d t h c\ f~ '~'"' s b C::~ i. n 9 tie d up in the Provinc e. I think i:lS f,:lr mS t Cc;Hl as c·ert i·\ in.

Ur"i.s worked very well - a lot of land 1.uas tur·ned back t:u govc-'!r·nrnent bE!CaUSE! of this. s i. n c c-'! 1. 9 '7 a , T '·' n d E! r· s 1:. and l:. h ~:! r e have been fourteen forfejtures undE!t' the'! Act. T do not knOlAJ how much land i~; involved, b1.1t: I do k 1"1 Ul .1l 1.: h •'l I~ L h ~~ 61 \J E• r· ,,.1 ';j r:! i ... ,~X lj ability 01'1 l:hE!SE' fol~ fE !i"I:UI"E• S IAJ i·:~s 1;:~,HOO. The-:! guvc'!r'nrnenl··. cl61i1n~; that it would cost more to collect 1~1-J i.s t'(!VC::!I'll.l8 1-.hi:111 -jl i.~; IJ.JOt ··i:h r'll'ld so on.

If that wE :•I~E· t:o be thE• rr:oi-11 l"l'!dSOI'l for· l·h1:• rJJ i.n i.s !··~:!I" oF F:i.nancc'! bi"ingj ng in Lhis bi_l_l, I I~Jould hd\J("' 1-o ~;.-. 1y l.hdl [ l;.Joul _d not agree with him . Recause iF a t:ornp. :·1ny ut.•Jc'!S ~i,.l-,000, :·.h c:!l"~'! should be mechanjsrns in place lo get lhal lfiOilHY Ft"Oill lll C'! r:ornp<·HIY. 1:-1- .i:s v e r· y s :i rn p] e . H o lAJ E> v E! r· , t hE~ I"~'! a] r' I" d S

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I) I' 1-h j S fl •.'II'"' 1. ··i_ C I I .. , d t' p i. 1:'' C I'! of leg:i~;Jat:ion :is ~; ·.imply Lo qu /:) d c k 1. o 1.. i·1 t:! o I" ·i. g i n ··1 1 "i n i t'! n i: : L i:il n d No. SO R2734

l:ha-t. i.s not bcO! i.ng dr.~v~~l.opc'!d should be forfeited back to the Crown. 1 do no 1: 1 "i.l<e,~ l·:he l~k\Y lhE~ M'.i.nr,~l~rtJ. l·loJcl:lngs Jrnpost AcL n'ads r·:.ight no1~1. lJnFor·Lune:1h'!l.y, Uw Mi .ni.si".<::!r of F:inanCE:! :is not hE>.I"E!, and maybE> ·ihc:• CotJer·nrnenl -. i·IOII~>t>. I l'!dcllc!l"' C·Hl 1-i:~kE! -t·IIE:! J'nessag1;~ bclC:k ·(-o l·dm. ["hrc!r·c,~, p::•r'hdpS, S h011l d bc-) SOIII<--~ pr·ou:i.s:i.on :in thc,~l~E:! that IAJou1d g l.ld r<'.Hl h>.t'! U1d ·:·: r··i.g h 1: ~; l:o ur,dEH'Ch!VE.~] oped pr·oper·ty be turned b a r: k .

T h 10! l!li.~ y i. 1:. r· 1;! r.1 d s n 01~1 i. s that :if this impost is not paid, tJw Cr'OIAJn may declar·f:~ the,~ ·hol.d ·i.ngs fot·feJ t.. There is not really · a L i.rne l.:i.m.i.l-. on i.l': and ~> o on. 1·1 ... seems to me the Minister of Flnance should go back and have another look at that bill and b r· i n g i. n a n o t. h E! r· a 'n C'! n d rn E>. n l , sornEd:irnE:! in thE! near fut.tJr'E!, which uJou1 d rnake ·l:hC::~ For·FC::~.i . Lui"C'! of land a little biL more definite, so Lhat. i.·L i.s nol~. d llli.'l~:h;!r' of s·i.mpl.y the cho:i ce of Cabinet or thE! cho·i.cc->. of t..hc'! m:lnoi.sl ·.er.

T l·.hi.nk if we can take political choice out of any d ~>. ci. s "i. on s l.·i. !< e I~ h "i. s , I>~JCc~ t.vould be far bettE!r off. 1'-1 r• . S p E:! d k (! r• , ·i:. he p 1,1 r· p 0 S e 0 j- thE! biJJ is to sirnpJ.y say that oncE:~ land has bt~en Forf,O!i .t8d, any l·.hi ng o1~r:i n ~~ on H1 d ·l~ J and i. ~; 'L hE! n dE~ P ITI(;! d I: u b t:! 11 o "I n rH:J t·'! r· n ,~,-i n y . !,,, t'! .:t J" u fJI"E:!i:Jdl"l'!d l:o suppol"t that ldncl oF p o s -i. I· ·i on , b r,~ c ;:~ 1 1 s t'!

I: h f'! o t' :i. g ·i n <'t l. .il, ·i:E·!I'I ·l: oF tl ·1e ]E·!g:.is]at:ion tAJas noL L () c () .. , 'l (~ r; :-. lflCHH'! y ' ·i.-1-. I~Jd :; l:

l) g I'! L 1 and b a c k , and H1 (>. M :i n era] HoJ.di .ngs l:lllpost ()cl ~ can qro!l·. lc:tnd back without this part:icular p r· o v i. ~; ·. i. o n ·i. n i·. h ~'! r· !c~ . ~) o I AlE'! IAJ o 1.1 l cl t e n d to s up port l: his par· tj c u l a r b"il.l.. MR. SIMMS : Mr. Speaker . Mf~. SPFAI<FR: fhe hon. the HOUS< ->. L(c'i'.ldl'!r '. I. 273S June 6, 1988 VoJ. XL MR. SIMM~3: Mr. SpE!aker·, on bEd1al f · of f"'in"i.s h>.t' of F i.ni'l.nr:'~ T , .... ,ouJ.d to clos8 Lhe debate. thE! l.Lke f·1f~ . SPF:!~KFR : IF the minister speaks now, he clor;H!; l:lw dt:d:Jal·r.:• . I'-1R.

S(MMS : I d:i d haVE! a br·:iE•f chat ur.:U·.h the rn:i.n ·i.:; l.1~r· and 1·11,~ ·i.ncl·i.cd ·!·.f>.d l·:hd 1:: l::hP hon. rnernbE!I~ for· Gander might haVE! sornH poi.nl:s l·.o rai .s(:! f'tnd askr->.d if I would make reference to them for h'Llll ·· hr,~ IAIOUl.d be lAJi .J.J i:nq t.:n d(!i;\l wjth them at some later date - and 1 I.Vould be hr::\ppy l:o do 1~. haL. As I understand thE! legislation, Lhe c u r r· E>. n l lfl :i. rH:! r a l. h o J. d i. n g s ·i tr1 p o s t tax dOE!S not provide for thE! 1-.r.lx payE!t' ~:o no lo!Jqr:•r' r·l:!Jrtd"i.n ltab1E! afte1~ thE!

CrOIAJn has takE·n bdck h·i '' hold i.ngs .. Tl ·lc'!r'e is no pl~ovis:ion thE!rE! to a] JoL~J Lhcd.:, and -1-:hdl:, obvi.ou~;l.y, ·:i_s nol-. VC'!I"Y ra.:i.r·. MR . BAKER : He has to forfeit plus pay rnore 1-.:dXlc~S. MR. SIMMS : Yc'!S, ''lncl i:hi:ll". ·is obv.·i,ousl.y not ver·y fa:ir. So the tAJholE! pul~posE• of ·1-.l·ds allll'!ndmenl~ .• of COIH'SE!, i.s to corr·c,,ct "l:.hclt s:.i.tuatjon. If lAJP i -'\ !<t:' b.~ c; k l.ill'! 1 <'! 1'11.1, l~JH 'll , L·. h r=· n, F:inc,,, you do no L OtAJE:• 1". hE! ta.x .

Tl ·lc'! p r· i !tloH ' y p 1.1 t' p 0 !> :~ or I l·w ]E :•gislal..Jon, of COUI"~''''', j ~; no L l:.n ';11'!!"l('t'd I· I-'! t'l'!Vl·:!nl.l!'! t)t ' l"i'l "i ::; ::! I" l'! V l'! i'lll f;!, thE:~ pr·· .imary pUi"pose :i. s t.o I'! n c o u r· r'l 9 f'! d c·'! v r.:! l. o p 1 n t'! n i: , "' n d what the Act does. Lha 1- i. s I will cerLainly l-:i'H'! hon. rfll:'!lllber· other matLer he pass l::h<:!lrl 011 l·o take thE! points t' <'I i. !;; !:'! cl i'\ b 0 l.l t: 1:. h (:0 Finance for his referrPd Lo and 1-llf"' f\1 .in.:i.<;(::(:'l" or cons:idE!rat:·ion. Pr.:or·haps, input, IAJI;! alnendtnl-'!11 t·.

No . 50 (:•l s i-l may (" one or r·esult·. of~ your· E!VE!I'l SE:•E! anol :hE!l" 1-h~ '!'> (' ddy!; along R2735

!-.hose'! l..i.nos. I H10U~:~ reading, Mr . Speaker. On motion, a b:i]l, 11 An AHH~nd. Thf~ M'i.ner·aJ. :·lolc.l "i.nr]s Act, 11 read a second time, r ''!fer· r· f'•d t.o f'l Co1nrn-L ·1-. l ... e c;! Whole liouSE! on t.ornorr'01AJ. No. P). l'-1R . SIMMS: Order 20, Mr. Speaker. SC'!C:OI'ld Act To lmpos~ ordered of the (Bill Mot.i.on, second read :i.ng of a b.i.l1, 11

An Act To Amend The NE:~1AJfoundland And Labr'C~dor· Hous ·i.ng Corpor·a ·l-. i.on Act And To Repeal The Harmon C<H'P<H'at·i .on Ac:!:, l9oo ··67. II cn ·i.l.J. No . 6) MR. SJMMS : Mr ·. Spr :! a k C'! r·. Ml~ . ~)PFAI<H~ : ThE'! ho11. Lhii:~ Hous<:! I c,,ader· . M~~ . ~IJ:MMS: M r· .. S p ~~a k !:'! 1" • j 1.1 s 1: d IJ !'! r· y b r· 'i. r:d" conii!IE!nt on th:.i s particular· piE!Ce of l.eg:isl.al :i.on, on bc ,~h<~l.f oF U1e MinJster of Deuelopment and Tot .1r·ism (Mr. Rat't'!·:>'l-L), IAJho ·is not·. here today, unfortunately.

Euerybody knows what hC~s transpired with respect to the H a 1"1no n Cor· pora l::i. on ;;\ nd t·. h<->. tr ·ansfE! 1" of :its asset:s, and euer·y l:h:ing. l~o I: he->. Ne~;.rfoundl.and and Labrador Housing Corporation.

This l:.ook place'! ~;urrl!'! l·.i111H a<~u. dl'lci the purpose of this particular p ·i. c'! c e of J. e g i. s l. a +·. ·i. on 'i. s 1·: o r· H p o a l l:ho old Harmon Corporation Act, 1. 9 6 6 ·-6 7 J b (~ c r"' u s 0 ·-j_ 1·. i s n 0 l () n q f'! 1" r'E!qu:i Y'E!d. and aJ so to t.:r·ansfer ' aJ.J. +: i. 1-J. ~~ a n d p r o p o r· 1: 1J a n cl a s s <-:! l: ~; o F l"hP Har·rnon Coi"por·at:lon l::o ·l:he N (;~t~rF o u n cl"l .:·1 n d ;::1 n rl ·1. '-" b r· ,,, do r· CCJ1"!JC!I"at:i on. T hi'l t.: ·.i. ~~ r'C'!al1y alJ I h i ~:~ p-i. C:! ( ::! 0 F l H 9 ·j s 1 d l i () 1'1 d () (! s .

ThP hCJrr. merni:HC\1" Fu1" ~~tephE!IIU:.il]E! cr11". 1<. ny-ltAJdl"tl) 111iqhl: ~~Jdnl i·o elaborate a bit. I am sure he 1 .. /. '7 3 6 Juno 6, 1.9Bll Vo 1. X I_ uri. g h t-. 1-H~ u ~-~ d f (~I~J q 1.1 (:! s +·. :i. on s or· comrne.nts which, when he makes i'. h c,~ HI • T 1.o~r'i.J .l p a !; s u n I~ o ·L h e appropriate minister at the dppr·opr··i .i~1l·.r;! 1·.-i.IIH~. l iliOUf'! SC'!COI'lcJ rc:•ading. ~J:L. SPEAKER: Thl:' hon. t hr,~ lrlE!11li:w r· for· Stephenville . MR. K. AYLWARD: The:ln .k you, Mr. Sp<~al<er .

Pertaining to Forward Loday Development. the BjJJ. brought by l·:.hr,~ Mini.si'.:('!r' of it is really a housr~kE!ep'i.ng lllf:~dsur·c~. bul. :, i.n many way s • it ·is r· at hE! I" a b ·:.i. g g E! I" rrr om E! n t .. i n t·. h ·-~ !> [·'! n s :~ o F t. h r'! f u t.u r· r~ of. Str~phc,~nu:ilJ.e 1Ar:ith rE!]a'l..ion to its d C'! u r,, 1 o fliiiC'! n :~ . T h n 1·1 <.H'Jno n C01"p01"atjon Act was bl"OUghl jn by l' h H f o 1"111!'! J" 1 ... i I.J :·:! 1.-. <.~. ·1 Cu 1; :'! r· nil'lr'! n i... o I)''!

I' l.1AJOnt.y IJE!dt"S a~JO Lo <'ld(Ji"es ~; l..hl'! pr·obl.nn1 of l':h<'! closur '!,, of L:hf'• American base that was there at l'.hc,~ 1· . ..-i llll,~. ThH li.:-11"11101'1 CoJ"I~>or·a L"i.on 1AJas forrnii:~d to deal L~d t:h l:he bui.J.d:i.ngs and assHI-.·> u.1h ·i.ch LII~H 'e left behind by the Americans. The Harmon Corporation, th1"oughout i.l::s twenty Yl'<H' h:i.!;tor·y. c:ar·r· .. i.ed out its mandatE! uery welJ.

At t:hE! '~ n d o F L 1-: s rna n d a 1 ... 1:'! • lAJ h "i c h 11.J as d E! d. d e d b y Ud s g u u E:· r· n 111 E! n t . l: h 1:• 1'11.1 nii:HH' s l. () 0 kc->. d I) (' r· y g 0 0 d . r hE' H a 1" m o n C o I" p o 1" a t :l o n h a cl p 1.1 l: i n pJr::tcH IIIOI"'e job! ;, tiiOr'e bl.l!'.ines~:;(:·~;, more civilians employed than had pr·eu·iousl.y I:H~i'!l'l e1npl.oy('!d <:·1~: t.:hP ArnE!I"ican baSE!. I think in the long run the Harmon Cor· F)(H' <:\ L ·i. on I)Ji"l !; .~ s u c c H s s · i. n 1: h ('' Stephonuille-Bay Sl.

George area .. i.n I l1i:-1'1'. .. i ·1. l)li-\S dblt! i·o rnakt:• U!;r'• oF n1any of l..hE! bu:i lclings 1E!f L beh:incl iJy l hr! illll!'!i'' .. iCrHlS . J: i: llli'·\IJH IISi ;! of thE! bu'.iJd'.ings fol"' bu~;inE!SS use and F o r' r' t'! •; ·i d C:! n l ·j r'\ -I 1 1 !; H . I' /11:• apari .. ITIE!\11.. bu :i J.dings IAJC '!I"'E! al so r·un i\Jo . 1)0 R2736

by the Harmon Corporation for a number· of years and -1: hen transferred to NE!IJJfoundland and Labrador· Hou~dng. .Mos f~ hc~we, . since !.:hat U.mE!, been soJ.d t.o the p r· i. v a 1·: C"! s t'> c l: or· , b 1.1·1--. +:hE'!~; C! apartment unjls were able to offer p~~upln ci:Hn-i.ng 'i.n· i·.o l-.l'lC:! ~) 1: C"! ph E:! n v :i] J e a I" E! a a fa :i. r 1 y J ow r P. n L .d F e e 1.1.1 i. 1-. h I)J h l. c; h i: o u n d lcH' I ,:J!< P l.o tMOI"k :in the St-.c,1phE~nv:i lle ai"EH'l. For· 1·: h .:-11-: t' r,1 d son , ·1-. h .,\'l·. t)Ji'\ s r'-l. rn.·~ j or· bEHH~fj t.. Agc .dr1, the-'! bu:ild'lngs 1.11erE:! ther·e.

A l 0 t () f 1: h HIll h r'\V (~ b ~~ e n c () n lH1r' ·h,1 d c:H1d sold to the Pl"ivate sector· for· b u !d. n o s s e s . W ~~ h d v '~ r:l f i'l ·L r 1. y active and thriving business COIIIIIIlHl L 1-.y i.n Hw For·rnc:>.r' Har·rnon Ba~;e noiAJ, :i.n Stephenvi11E!. I ~: h j_ l'l k ·i. 1·: i. s cl u E'! 1-: o a l a r-· g e p a r·· t ~.: o thE! setting up of thE• Ha.r·rnon C o r· p o r· a +: i o n b y 1:. h c-'! F o r· I'll H r· L i. b E'! I" d 1. pi"OV:i.nc:lal gover·nrnent of l:.he day, in 1966 ---67. r-1 r . S p 01 a k e r· , · :i n r· E! <:\ d -.i. n g 1 n y lri. s l:.t.H' y of the area.

I lAias very impress E!d +: hr'J. t the F or·1ner· pr·ov·i. n ci.a J. U.l:w r·al government tA.Jould undertake such 1Tieasurr,1s t-.o dE~dl. t•J'i .l::h l·:hr~ pr·obl.t:!lrt of thE! dotAmturnj ng of !:he econon1y at . Stephenvi.l.l.0.. In re< :H Ji.ng so11H~ previous correspondence of that di'\Y, .:i.l". lAid~; l~Jor·l·:hy of noi·.H th,c11: d n IJ I'll b ('! r· (l r n I (;• i:1 ~; u I" ('! ~; lA) (c' I'. (! a t-. I~ ('! ITl p -1. (;! d d 11 cl "' d o p ·!··. r" d F u r· ~) I: I'! p h n n 1; ·i -, l.

H I· u d P i'l J IAJ:i.-1 h '[-- hE'! p t' (l b] ('!Til S {· h E! y IAI E:' r' (! l'lUI.-ll r;!XFJI'!I''i _l:~f')( i 1'1t;j IAI -j ·l·.h I hi'!

Olli:rlui•J of p E·· c1 p J c-! and IAJ:i t- h t l1 P ] a c k oF l:!rflp loynwnl· .. ()-!- _ l-.1-lt:~ J·illlt:' il 1.-ll!'l~; bJ"OU~Jht :i11 i-lnd l th:ink !:he ac!:. ·i. 1··. ~_; C'! l F I.-lid~; "' v e r· y go (I d ,., c J·· .. :r t· h j n k :i t· t hE! f u tiH' C'! j +· rni g h 'l: be a p o s s i b i.l i. 1: y F o t' '' orne p r· o v :i. n c ··i. •{ 1 govPr'nnJent Lo ..Look r.ll the act as a p o s s i. b l c,1 1 n u c I C'! l. d c. t: F u ,.. d t'! v r~ 'l.o p rn u n 1. aulhorjt:i.es in the Province , IL allOIAJecl 1-.:hc "!

Har·1nun Cor'pcH'al· i.on l~o carry out a deve]opment of Stephenvtlle and oF that area with L273'7 J'UI1E! 6, 1988 Uol XL a very strengthened in the mandate wit-.h which to do so. J 1: i s l: h r-'! EHl d u ·F L h e H a r· lfl o n CorporaUon, Ml". SpeakE!I". HlE!y 111ad1 '! t• con ·i·.r··.-Lbul. ·ion. Thc-:! l d l:.r:• DE!rrick Hammond IA.JaS an off:i cer IAri 1-.h I: he i·I<H'IIIOn COI' ''PtH'el'i: i un For' many YE!i'li"S.

HE! maclr:" a gi"C'!i'l 1.. c o n -! :r· l. b u 1·. i. o n I: o 1·. h E! <H' r:! r'l , a l. o 11 q w-.i t.h J::i.m Coch1nanE!, 1.11ho wa~> !::hE:• Chc'\ i.t'HI<'\Il or Hlic1 Roar·d fur· a 1'1UITII:HH' of year·s. A number of cd J·wr · FH~opl.c,1 l i.!<r-" i-.hu l:!rnpl.oycH'!S I.Aier·c'! able to contribu-te over thE:1 yE•<H'S 1·. I) ·1:1-w I fl r'\ "i. n h~ I'Ji:Hl c:: (~ 0 f U·H:! buJJdings and so on and l:.hE! pr·omot ·i.on oF ·H1e <.n-·e,~, All. <H'I:" owed a debt of thanks by the residHnts oF Stephenville For theJr contribution. M r . S p e a k E! r· , j u s t a f E! tAl m o I" E!

COIIIIriHrll- :s 1-n clur~ up. l"h:o• a ITI E! n cl rn e n t L o t h E! a c 1-. s a y s t 1·1 t· Cor· p or a 1: :i. o n i. s c h 101 r· g P d IAI 'i l·. h ,,, n cl ass~rnes all of the obligations and li.abi.ltL ·i.r:!s (1f LhE! Har·1non Corporation. The Newfoundland E~nd l.abrador Hous:ing Corporation will now assume the obligations and the 1.-Ldb·i .l.·i t·.:i.es. l hope I: he Mtn is I.E!Y' oF Hous ..i.ng (Mr. Peach) IAJ:i1J undE:!rtake to ('! n S U r• f" 1-. h •:1 'l· .-\ rl y 0 i" 1-. h (:! pI" r:! V i.

U l.l S lE!a~;e ar'l"i'l.I'JgE•IJI(:•nLs <::tnd r~r·('•t;·LotJ~:. o'\\jl 'i' !C'III(!Ill-.~; ~; ·j gil: :!d lA/ j l:ll t".C:!I'li'li'l 1--.~; I•JhO a i" c-'! n OIAJ r· E! :~ j_ c1 j_ n g I hot" E'! , t h a 1: thus u r.H'I' 'o•1ll qHiflr·''l'l t <; L\1 i 'I_ I i:::'! ,'Jh:! f:. \

C) conLinue to be worked out Jn a tJ e (· 'J r·· c-} .-~ ~; on,,, b 1 ') lfl .::~ n n H r· I,

c) Pl"nrno !--E• busJness opportunit:ies ::l n l.:h r::. ::) 1-. H ph H n tJ :i.ll e ,_,, r· r:~ .-\ . · It also says here, I. he Cur·por'd 1. i.nn ·is obligations of · Ml". SpE:!akE!I" ,· i:\SSI.Irrli.J'ICj !::hC'! LhE! Har'lnon COl" PO r·a l: -j

I) I')' I•Jh 'i c h r {·: ll .-.i.n k 61 ~:; s t.liiiH s thE! mandatE• of put.L:Lng j n !:.hE! ar·E:!a ,,, n i. n d u s 1·: r· i. ''' l p d I" k IAJ h i. c h I l .. h .:i. n k :is dE:•Fird.teJ.y l'lE•(•dE•d :i11 S !--. E! p h (,1 n v i ·1 l e "' n c:J IAJ h i c h IAJ E~ h o p e l:. o No . 50 R2'737

s ~~ e i. n ·l: h f:~ v ,,~ r• y n ,,~ d t' I-u I: u r· 1-~ • ~)'l:r,~pht:!nv ·i.lJ.,,~ on:~ oF l·:h:~ only dl"r-~;·~~; :in the Prov:i nCC-! not.1.1 1~1hi c:h does no!· l'h'IVf) dn ·i.ndusLr· ··i,,ll P•:H'k .:'tr':~. :~ t•1i .Lh j ndustriaJ land. We i:H'e suffel"ing I:H'!Cduse oF +:hdt. lL ·i.s Jnor·r~ diff:icu]l: to attr·act businE!SSes t.o I . I J "' . an ~'l r· E'! i:l L•J ·1 ~=! n s r=! r· v 'l c f:! c ... r:1 n CJ -,, s not avcliJ.able.

So I wouJ.d ask the Minister of Housing, who has now taken over the rE:1sponsibilities of the Har·rnon Corporat·ion ln the promotion and in thE! sale of industrial tfu :i 1 d i n g s a n d l. a n d i. n St. e p h c->. n v i 1. l. e and he knows I have made representations t.o h·.-i.m T dsk that thc,~y undE!r·take to finish thE:~ ass E! s SlllHnt U11 ·:! y •H'e do-i .ng not•1 on Stephenv:iJJ.e and its potential, d n d t 1·1 d 1-: d n ··i. n d 1.1 s l r· ·i <'tl p ·~'' r· !< o n :indu~;l·l"· .iaJ Janel be bu:i1L ·:.in thr:=• l)!;! r· y n (·~ .:-1 r· r 1.1 1:1.1 r· (~ . l:l: i.s no1•1 in U·w h;uHL ol- l:ht:' NE=!IA1found1c~nd and l.ctbr·ador Housing Cor'F)(H'r.ll:i.on, L<~kfHl OVtH' fr·o1n 1-.ht-:!

Hctr·mon Cor·po!"ati on, and T lAIOuld dSSLIIIlC~ dnd IA10UJ.d hopt o! 1-:.hi ~;· 10dl1d,··11·.e 1~ri] J b~~ C<HT-.i ed fon.uar·d by . the lious-i.ny Cor·por·i':l+.·.-.ion. WE:~ haue exper:i encE:~d soiTI~~ problems IA1ith the changf:'OV<=H', wil:h prc.:ou ·i.ous J.to~dSC"•S and SO on. 1 IA10U1d hope 1-:i 'H'~ M i. n i. s ·1·: e r· of H o u !; L 11 g wo u l d ensure these arrangements are aclclr·essr"!d i.n vE:r·y shor·l~ l·_t=!l"l fl so LhoSE! pi"ObJ.E:ITIS ar·isi.ng cluP to p r' E: v