Manitoba Hansard — Sitting 41A (26th Legislature, 3rd Session)

26-3-41a

Manitoba — Debates (Hansard)

Name ALEXANDER, Keith BAIZLEY, Obie BJORNSON, Oscar .F. CAMPBELL, D. L. CARROLL, Hon. J.B. CHRISTIANSON, John Aaron CORBETT, A. H. COWAN, James, Q. C. DESJARDINS, Laurent . DOW, E. I. EVANS, Hon. Gurney FORBES, Mrs. Thelma FROESE, J. M. GRAY, Morris A. GROVES, Fred GUTTORMSON, Elman HAMILTON, William Homer HARRIS, Lemuel HARRISON, Hon.Abram W. HAWRYLUK, J. M. HILLHOUSE, T.P.,Q .C. HRYHORCZUK, M.N., Q.C. HUTTON, Hon. George INGEBRIGTSON, J. E. JEANNOTTE, J. E. JOHNSON, Hon . George . JOHNSON, Geo. Wm . . KLYM, Fred T. LISSAMAN, :R. 0. LYON,H on. �rling R., Q.C. MARTIN, w·. G. ·McKELLAR, M. E. McLEAN,H on.

Stewart E.,Q .C. · MOLGAT, Gildas MORRISON, Mrs . Carolyne ORIJKOW, David PAULLEY, Russell PETERS, S; PREFONTAINE, Edmond REID, A. J. ROBERTS, Stan ROBLIN, Hon. Duff SCARTH, W .B. , Q.C . SCHREYER, E. R. · SEABORN, Richard SHEWMAN, Harry P. SHOEMAKER, Nelson SMELLIE, Robert Gordon STANES, D. M. STRICKLAND, B. P. TANCHAK, John P. THOMPSON, Hon. John, Q.C. WAGNER, Peter WATT, J. D. WEIR, Waiter WITNEY, Hon. Charles H. WRIGHT, Arthur E. Electoral Division Roblin Os borne Lac du Bonnet Lake side The Pas Portage la Prairie Swan River Winnipeg Centre St.

Boniface Turtle Mountain Fort Rouge Cypress Rhine l and Inkater St. Vital St. George Duff erin Logan Rock Lake Burrows Selkirk. Ethel bert Plains Rockwood-Iberville Churchill Rupertsland Gimll Assiniboia Springfield . Brandon Fort Garry St. Matthews Souris-Lans downe Dauphin Ste. Rose Pembina St. John's Radisson Elmwood Carillon Kildonan La Verendrye Wolseley River Heights Brokenhead Wellington Morris Gladstone Birtle -R ussell St.

James Ham iota Emerson Virden Fisher Arthur Minnedosa Flin Flon Seven Oaks Address Roblin, Man . 185 Maplewood Ave., Winnipeg 13 Lac du Bonnet, Man. 326 Kelvin Blvd ., Winnipeg 29 Legislative Bldg ., Winnipeg 1 86-9th St . , N. W. , Ptge. la Prairie, Man . Swan River, Man . 512 Avenue Bldg ., Winnipeg 2 138 Dollard Blvd ., St. Boniface 6, Man • Boissevain, Man . Legisla tive Bldg ., Winnipeg 1 Rathwell , Man . Winkler, Man . 141 Cathedral Ave ., Winnipeg 4 3 Kingston Row, St. Vital , Winnipeg 8 Lundar, Man.

Sperllng, Man . 1109 Alexande r Av e., Winnipeg 3 Holmfield, Man. 84 Furby St ., Winnipeg 1 Dominion Bank Bldg ., Selkirk, Man. Ethelbert, Man. Legislative Bld g., Winnipeg 1 Churchill, Man . Meadow Portage, Man . Legislative Bldg . , Winnipeg 212 Oakdean Blv d., St .James, Wpg. 12 ·Beausejour, Man • 832 Eleventh St., Brandon, Man . Legisl ative Bldg ., Winnipeg 1 . 924 Palmerston Ave., Winnipeg 10 Nesbitt, Man . Legisla tive Bldg . , Winnipeg 1 Ste. Rose du Lac, Man. Manitou, Man. 179 Montrose St., Winnipeg 9 435 Yale Ave.W., Transcona 25, Man . 225 Melrose Ave., Winnipeg 15 St.

Pierre, Man. 561 Trent Ave ., E.K il d., Winnipeg 15 Niverville , Man . Legisla tive Bldg ., Winnipeg 1 407 Queenston St., Winnipeg 9 Beausejour, M� . 594'-.Aj:iington St. , Wfunipeg l.i> ·Morris . Man. · Neepawa, Man. - R�s�ell �. Man�_ 381 Guildford St. , St. James, Wpg. 12 iiamiota , Man . Ridgeville, Man. Legislative Bldg ., Winnipeg 1 Fisher Branch, Man . Reston, Man . Minnedosa, Man . Legislative Bldg . , Winnipeg 1 4 Lord Glenn Apts .1 944 Main St ., Wpg.1 7 . /

THE LE GISLATIVE ASSEMBL Y OF MANITOBA 8:00 o' clock, Monday, April lOth, 196 1. MR. SPEAKER: Adjourned debate on the proposed motion of the Member for Brokenhead, and the proposed amendment by the Honourable Member for St. Boniface. The Honourable Member for Hamiota -- Order stand -- Adjourned debate standing in the name of the Honourable Member for St. Joh n's. The Honourable Member for St. Joh n' s. MR. ORLIKOW: Mr. ·S peaker, I'd like permiss ion to let this stand. MR.

SPEAKER: Order stand -- Adjourned debate proposed by the Honourable Member for Logan, and the amendment proposed by the Honourable Member for Selkirk. The Honour able Member for Brokenhead. MR. s .. PETERS (Elmwood): Mr. Speaker, I believe that's a misprint. I think the Honourable Member from St. James adjourned the debate. MR. STANES: Mr. Speaker, I believe that is correct, and may I have this matter stand, please. MR .

SPEAKER: Order stand -- Adjourned debate proposed by the Honourable Member for Brokenhead, and the proposed amendment by the Honourable Member for Roblin, and the proposed amendment in further amendment by the Honourable Member for Carlllon. The Honour able Member for Brokenhead. MR . ORLIKOW: Mr. Speaker, I would ask the indulgence of the House to have this matter stand on behalf of the honourable member. MR.

SPEAKER: Order stand -- Adjourned debate on the motion proposed by the Honourable the Lea der of the CCF Party, and amended by the Honourable the First Minister, and a further amendment by the Honourable Member for La Verendrye. The Honourable Member for 'St. Joh n' s. MR . ORLIKOW: Mr. Speaker, could that stand? MR. SPEAKER: Order stand -- Adjourned debate proposed by the Honourable Member for Inkster. The Honourable Member for St. Matthews. MR. W. G. MARTIN (St. Matthews) : Mr. Speaker, I wouldn't like it to appear, Sir, as though I'm the only one that's anxious to get out to see the hockey game.

It isn't necessary to speak at any great length upon this resolution. One point that I would like to impress upon the members is that it is not a factual statement in the first "whereas" of the resolution that all deaf children of the province must attend special schools outside the pro vince. The report of the Minister of Education contains a very interesting story on what is being done to provide educational opportunities and facilities for handicapped children within the bounds of the province.

As the matter stands , there are nearly 50 percent of the deaf chil dren of Manitoba who attend school within the province. There are really 43, and there are 48 that attend schools beyond the boundaries of the province; 43 of them in Saskatchewan, two in Montreal, two in Minneapolis and one in North Dakota. Those who attend the school in Saska toon come from widely separated parts of the province, most of them far removed from Winni peg.

Perhaps it is interesting to read some of the centres from which these children come - Angusvllle, Shellmouth, Swan River, Kenville, Boissevain, Gunton, Mafeking, Melita, Delor aine, Dauphin, Emerson, Lac du Bonnet, Brandon, Grande Pointe, Winkler, Souris, Minitonas, Somerset, Rivers, Flin Flon; Tolstoi and Ethelbert. I say that these are so widely scattered that it wouldn't be at all feasible for them to live in their own community and have the benefits of specialized training.

It should also be pointed out that when these children go to Saskatoon that their tuition, maintenance and transportation is provided by the Government of Manitoba. Those who attend other schools for the deaf, other than Saskatoon, make their own arrange ments and are reimbursed up to the cost per pupil of the agreemen t with Saskatchewan. The remainder, as we know, attend day classes here at the Manitoba School for the Deaf on Welling ton Avenue -- 42 pupils with a staff of six.

In other words , one teacher -- this shows how specialized it is -- one teacher for each of the seven children; and it isn't just the ordinary three hours type of education. Senior pupils attend vocational classes one-half day a week, and there are two typewriting classes being conducted at the school. Two years ago when we spoke upon this subject, we me ntioned the fact that there were four classrooms and that it was the in tention of the department to increase these and have an additional four; and in December of last Page 1770 April lOth, 1961

(Mr. Martin, cont' d. ) .•.•. year , four additional rooms were added to the school. The J;>rime objection of my honourable friend from Inkster to the government policy of pro viding special services for handicap ped children is that they have to attend school away from home. He paints a rather piteous picture of infants crying in the night and no moth er's soothing voice to comfort it. But being away from home, Mr. Speaker, is by no means the im portant aspect of the question.

We're thinking in terms of education, the best possi ble education for handicapped children; training th em and equipping them so that they can go out into the world and live successful and useful lives. To my mind, it ls rather nonsensical to use as an argu ment the fact that they are being deprived of the sheltered influ ence of the home during the school year. On the other hand, we cannot overestimate the benefits derived from the discip linary at mosphere of a residential school. That plays a tremendous

part in molding and patternlng the character and personality of the pupils , and it serves to develop wi thin th em a quality of self reliance which will prove to be of great value to them in their after years. I think also, Sir, we should keep in mi nd that the complete training of these children is not confined to the four or five hours of classroom study.

To do it at its best it should be a round-the-clock operation, where th ere are activities and int erests of a social, athl etic and cultural nature which are of vital relationship to the students in the period of training; and in the assoc iation with his fellow students or her fellow students , there is the opportunity for testing in their general life many of the th ings th at they have learnt in the classroom. I believe, Sir, when I spoke on this subject two years ago I referred to that wonderful school at Belleville and what is being accomplished th ere.

I am quite sure it wouldn't have been at all the job had they been dismissed at 4:00 o'clock in the afternoon and were deprived of this privilege of spending evenings there. I remember their folk dancing and their minuets and so forth where the boys and the girls would gather in the common room; and they feel the vibra tions of the music comi ng from the piano and it was a very wonderful experience for them and a wonderful experience to know just what was being accompllshed. The reference was made by my honourable friend to the school ln Tuxedo.

Well lf this institution building reverted to its former status and became once again the Manitob a School for the Deaf, many of th ose who would be registered in the school wou�d come from a long dis tance and they would be away from home and would be denied the soothing touch of mother love, as my honourable friend would caressingly describe it. He deplores the fact as well that the blind children have to attend a school outs ide of the province. Well, the parents of these children who have had the opportunity of the Ontario School for th e Blind at Brantford are not raising any objection.

I don't think you will find any adverse critic ism from any of these parents, any more than you would find it from the parents of the boys and g\rls who go to th is School for the Deaf at Saskatoon. And why? They know that their children are being provided with advantages of training and equipment in a school which, from the standpoint of excellence, is unsurpassed on this North Am erican Continent . The pupils that go to the school in Brantford are from all parts of Canada. They go at the cost of the govern ment, the government providing th eir transportation; th eir tultlon; their maintenance.

They are escorted there and the government provides the cost of the escort. The escort takes them th ere and brings th em back again. The arrangement is made, I say, through the Canadian National Institute for the Bllnd; but the government pays the bill. In referring to the work of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, I would like to point out that they assume all res ponsibility for the locating of candidates to attend the school, and then discuss ions are held as between th e government and the Canadian National Institute officials upon the subject of educa tion.

The officials of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind are agreed that it ls better far for the : pupils to attend the school in Brantford than for us to bulld our own. school for the blind here in Winnipeg and in Manit oba. And Sir, many of the students who graduate from that school are from Winnipeg and many of them go forth to fill prominent positions in business and in the professi onal life of the country, and I'm thinking particularly at this moment of the musi cal faculty. Some of the most outstanding organists of Canada are graduates of the Ontario School for the Blind.

There is the economic aspect of the whole question � It doesn't take long to figure out that it would be economically imposs ible for Manitoba wi th our small population, our general population and the lim ited number of handicapped children, to erect and operate a school on a par with that one in Brantford. Likew ise , a school llke the residential School for April lOth, 1961 - - Page 1771

(Mr. Martin, cont'd. ) •••.. the Deaf in Saskatoon. The situation is just this, Sir. Here we are, with the best institutions for the education of handicapped children, to which the children can go with all transportation -- I repeat, main tenance and tuition provided by the Provincial Government -- and if the parents of these children live within Metro Winnipeg, then the children have the opportunity of attending the day school for the education and training of the deaf right here in our own province and city.

They have the opportunity of going to that splendid school on Wellington Avenue, and the total cost of those go ing to the school here in our own province and those going to Saskatoon, the total cost of opera tion is sl ightly in excess of $100, 000. I just wonder, Sir, what would be the capital cost if we set out to build our own school for the deaf; our own school for the blind.

I have been told, and 1 don't give it on prime authority, but that the school for the deaf -- whether it was the deaf or the blind, I am not certain -- but the important thing was they bunt their own school and it cost them somewher.e in the neighbourhood of $3 million.

Now here is another thing that I would like to mention, and that is that the Department of Education, our department, pays spec ial grants to school boards which operate classes for the following special students -- getting away for the moment from the deaf and from the blind - because of the greater individualization of instruction required, the department pays the regu lar teacher grants for half the usual number of pupils. What are these schools and classes? The educable retarded, and we have as follow s: in Winnipeg, 38 such cases; St. Boniface, 2; Fort Garry, 1; St. Vital, 1; St.

James, 4; Norwood, 2; Seven Oaks, 3; Brandon, 2; Richer , 1; St. Laurent, 1; and Leonard, 1; with a total of 56. In almost every month, the department assures me, there are requests for information about setting up· more of th ese classes. In the past six months, the following have started classes : Ham iota, Virden, Ebor Municipal, :?ierson, Melita and Grandview. Then for the partially sighted, in Winnipeg there are three such classes; for the emotionally 'disturbed, in Winnipeg one class; for the physically handicapped, in Winni peg three classes.

Then reference to the Child Guidance Clinics - in Greater Winnipeg we have such clinics which tests and certifies pupils for attendance at the special classes; and rural areas are served in this way by Child Guidance Clinics at Brandon and by the Children's Hospi tal in Winnipeg. The Department of Health and Welfare supplies a nurse who does valuable work in helping parents understand the value of the spec ial classes and arranging clinics for testing of pupils.

Then the other category, the trainable retarded, the province pays through the Department of Health and Welfare a grant of $20 .0 0 per child per month for treatment, for trainees who attend 80 percent of the time. Classes are now in operation by the Assoc iation for Retarded Children in the foll owing centres, and the nqmber of children in res pect of whom the grant was paid are indicated: Altona, 8; Boissevain, 6; Brandon, 14; Flln Flon, 7; Kim berley, 4; Killarney, 8; Morden, 9; Selkirk, 9; Steinbach, 18; Winkler, 13 ; and Greater Winnipeg, 171; or a total of 267.

Another important thing is that during the fiscal year March 31st, 1961, a total of $5 1, 698 was paid to the Department of Health and Welfare in respect of the training of retarded children. I would like to point out, Mr. Speaker, that this task of serving handicapped children is not left entirely to the government. I would like to mention special work carried on by volun tary agencies and organizations, and to say in pref ace, that if the day ever came when these voluntary organizations pass out of being and it was left entirely to government aegis, it would represent a very serious retrograde step.

And some of these voluntary agencies? The Kins men Club, serving retarded children. I see the Kinsmen's bus going down the street every day. In several centres there are schools established by the Kinsmen and, in Winnipeg, the Kins- -men's Service Club have built their own school for retarded children. The Shrine Hospital on Welllngton Crescent -- they have the children who have their regular academic studies and the government pays for the teacher. The Foresters -- another organization that is doing wonder ful work. Each year they give the youngsters, that go to the School for the Deaf, a picnic.

They also provide them with hearing aids, help them in that regard; and they have placed in the school recently a large size typewriter. But perhaps one thing that stands out so promin ently and dramatically is the Manitoba Society for Crippled Children; rendering splendid ser vice in job placement of deaf children, whether the child graduates from Saskatoon or from our Manitoba School for the Deaf. Following that graduation, the pupil is assessed as regards ap titudes by the Society for Cri ppled Children in their industrial workshop. If it is discovered Page 1772 April lOth, 1961

(Mr. Martin, cont'd. ) •.•.. that he or she needs further vocational training, then that is ar ranged. Another interesting item, Sir, is the formation of the Manitoba

Chapter of the Council for Exceptional Children, with headquarters in Washington. Its membership is made up of pro fess ional people who work with these retarded children -- doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists , social workers, etcetera. There's been organized a

chapter in Manitoba which now has over 100 members. A Supervisor of Special Classes for Manitoba and a Director of Special Services are members of this organization -- the Manitoba

Chapter of the organization. Sir, I see no better way for keeping in study and review, educational facilities to provide the handicapped children with an opportunity to make their future life active and useful. That, Mr. Speaker, is the purpose and policy of the Government of Manitoba and is our unbroken program of expan sion, and no one can justifiably lay the charge that the handicapped children in this province are neglected or forgotten. This afternoon in this House the First Minister presented his reso lution concerning the technical education in underdeveloped countries.

In the course of his re: marks he referre!f to the fact, speaking of what is being done here in our own home country, that as far as the deaf and the blind and the mentally retarded and the crippled of this province are concerned, repres enting it ill terms of dollars and cents, it means a 50 percent increase of what was being done in this province before the present government came into power. All will agree, of course , Mr. Speaker, with the second "whereas", which just acknow ledges the value of spec ial training.

But we would emphasize that the government has accepted this great challenge and is carrying out and is providing these children with educational oppor tunities and facilities that will enable them to find full scope for active and useful lives, and inspiring them with confidence to face the future unafraid. So, Mr. Speaker, I beg to move the fo llowing amendment, seconded by the Honourable Member for Winnipeg Centre, that the motion of the Honourable Member for Inkster be amen ded by: (

a) deleting all of the words appearing in the first paragraph thereof; and (

b) deleting all of the words after the words , "the government to", in the third paragraph thereof and sub stituting the follow ing: "keep under constant study and review the educational facilities being provided for the deaf, crippled and retarded children of the Province of Manitoba, to ensure that as far as may be feas ible, such children are provided with such educational opportunities as will fit them for an active and useful life. " Mr. Speaker presented the motion. MR . E. R. SCHREYER (Brokenhead): Mr.

Speaker, first on a point of order, I'd like to know if an amendment is in order if it deletes the entire premise -- introductory premise. And if you •...... •. MR. SPEAKER: Would you repeat what you said? I didn't hear you. MR. SCHREYER: Yes, Mr. Speaker. I' m wondering if an amendment is in order if it deletes the entire premise -- introductory premise of the resolution. -- (Interjection) -- .O h, yes it did. MR . SPEAKER: Yes, the motion is in order. MR . SCHREYER: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, seconded by the Honourable Member for Kildonan, that the debate be adjourned. MR. SPEAKER: I didn't hear your seconder.

MR. SCHREYER: Ki.ldonan. Mr. Speaker presented the motion and after a voice vote declared the motion carried. MR . SPEAKER: Adjourned debate proposed by the Honourable Member for Brokenhead. The Honourable the Leader of the CCF Party. MR . GRAY: Sir, the Honourable Leader is not fe eling well tonight and I wonder whether it could either stand or I could move the adjournment of the debate; Anyway you like it. MR . SPEAKER: Order stand. Adjourned debate on the proposed motion proposed by the Honourable Member for Morris. The Honourable Member for Ass iniboia. MR . GEO. JOHNSON (Assiniboia): Mr.

Speaker, you may wonder why a city person would rise to offer a contribution in this debate on this subject. But having had some little ex per ience in the purchasing of llvestock and the marketing of it at the consumer level, theref ore, I am very interested in the resolution at hand. May I say, Mr. Speaker, flrst, that in my opinion anything, any move that we can make that will bring or cause to be known in information to April 10th, 1961 Page 1773 - -

(Mr. Johnson, cont'd. } .•.•. the producer, and llkewise from him down to the processor, the retailer and the consumer, is of major importance to the agriculture economy of this province. Now, Sir, myself, on many occasions, have visited many livestock sales and have been some what disappointed at the attitude of the producer upon having sold his livestock, seem ingly then to lose all interest in what happens from there on. On many occasions this has been mentioned at different sales that I have attended, and there have been quite a few.

First I may say insofar as prices are concerned, I have on many occasions had a livestock, by auction, sold to my bid, and feeling that bid was too low, I voluntarily raised that bid from one to five cents a pound, knowing by that action the interest that the company which I had the pleasure to represent had in the production of choice animals. Now, Sir, this resolution calls for a study or inquiry made of the marketing of livestock through channels today either with the trucker, direct to the packer or through the stockyards.

My interest in this is not because anyone in my opinion is making an exorbitant profit, either the trucker, the packer, the retailer or right down to the retailer. I do however feel this, that since agricultural economy is of major importance, that the producer of any part, in particular the livestock end of it, should be perhaps better informed as to what happened to his livestock from the time he sells it until it arrives on the consumer's table.

I do not mean that he should interfere with manufacturing costs, retailing costs, but I do say that he should acquaint himself as near as possible with just what profits are being made. He should be better acquainted with the packinghouse business, with the public markets, with the retailer, so that he, himself, has some idea of what is added or what it takes to market the product that he produces. I am quite sure that any buyer, whether lt be of livestock or a buyer at the retailer level, certainly all those buyers should have, ·if they haven't, some idea of what it costs the seller to produce the

article which the buyer ls interested in. Never on any occasion should he exert his influence to lower the cost of producing that

article since, by so doing, he invariably lowers the price right back to the producer -- the farmer. I am quite sure that if any move that we can make by forming a study group or, in this case, a comm ission to study the marketing of livestock, is a step in the right direction because the apparent gap between producer and consumer still is far, far apart; and any effort that we can make to bring a more understanding, or an element of understanding between all parties concerned should, Sir, have the benefit of better relations and, in many cases, I am of the opinion that it would mean better prices.

I said before that insofar as profits are concerned, I do not think that anyone is making an exorbitant profit. I am quite sure, Sir, that the producer is not; and I am quite sure tonight if the producer himself through his own organizations were to be more interested in following his product through the channels of livestock markets, packers, to the retailer, that he, him self, would perhaps be more reasonable or adopt a more reasonable attitude towards the other parties; and that, Sir, also applies to the packer and the retailer.

I'm quite sure that were we, through this commission, able to bring all these parties closer together, it would have the effect of perhaps reducing, at times, surpluses; and it is only by surpluses, where lower and unprofitable prices are taken, particularly in this case at the producer level. Now if this resolution carries, Mr.

Speaker, and I would appeal to all the members of this House to give this resolution unanimous support, I would suggest to the government that the letters of references to that commiss ion be fairly wide; for I say that this is an opportunity for us to open up and to try and assist, by inquiry and by study, everything pertaining to what happens to livestock when it leaves the farm to the time that it reaches the consumer table. Now I do not suggest that this be an elaborate costly set-up. It does not need to be.

But I do say that if it is approached with an idea in mind or a name in mind to correlate as much as pos-. sible producer and consumer, and if we take in that full scope, I am sure the commiss ion ap pointed will have some very, very enlightening facts to give us. And if we do nothing else, if nothing else happens but better understanding and more information to all groups, if that hap pens then what little money we spend will be well spent because of the benefits that will accrue to the livestock industry. Again let me say, Sir, that I would llke to thank the mover of this resolution for this move.

I appeal to the Assembly to give it their unanimous support. I ask the government to give the commi ssion fairly comprehensive scope; and I am sure that if that happens, the re sults will be satisfactory to all concerned. Now I could say that last week those of us who Page 1774 April lOth, 1961

(Mr. Johnson, cont'd .) ...•. vis ited Brandon Fair, certainly on that occasion, even tho se of us who you mi ght call "c ity-ites" were impressed. Even the Honourable Member from St. Matthew s was interested ln having his photo taken with one of the lordly anima ls on that occa sion. However, Sir, I would just like to repeat th is, that I am very pleased to contribute to this resolution.

I again trust that it wi ll be unanimous and I suggest to the government again that th ey set th is commissi on up wi th wi de powers, as to not only an inquiry but to a study of livestock from the time it leaves the producer until such time as it reaches the table. Now I would like to make one remark. Not long ago I think the Honotn"able Member from Elmwood, I believe, made a statement regarding the importation of frying chickens or broilers.

Well , Sir, I only mention this to show that we're not all of us too familiar wi th just exactly what happens, because in the handling of these sm all chickens or any other kind of chickens, let us acquaint ourselves wi th the fact that for any local supplier to produce five or six thousand of these chickens a week, he must have around 60 to 70 tho usand on hand to do it. I know on many occas ions myself, we h1we brought in truckloads, carloads, most ly from east ern Canada. Not with the idea of passing up the local market -- never -- but because the local market could not supply the demand.

I doubt very much if they can today . Now it's more knowledge of what we're doing. Now, also, remarks are made about another packinghouse being bullt here. Well, I think it's wonderful. Let us have another packing plant. They're going to employ local labour. With the movement on foot of many of the co-operatives and other groups now feeding cattle locally or within the p:t'ovince, th at move certainly should mean more beef cattle to be dressed, slaughtered within the province. The1·efore, let us have another packing plant.

All th ese thing s, many of the m would, to me, be commented upon at least by the suggested commis sion to be set up. MR . SPEAKER: Are you ready for the question? MR. PETERS: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move , seconded by the Honourable Member from Seven Oaks, that the debate be adjourned. �.1r . Speaker presented the motion and after a voice vote declared the motion carried. MR . SPEAKER: Adjourned debate proposed by the Honourable Member for Brokenhead. The Honourable Member for Minnedosa. MR. KLYM: Mr.

Speaker, in the absence of the Honourable Member for Minnedosa, I beg the indulgence th at this House let the matter sta nd. MR. SPEAKER: Order stand. I believe that brings us to the end of the Order Paper. HON. GURNEY EVANS (Minister of Industry and Commerce) (Fort Rouge}: Mr. Speaker, I beg to move, seconded by the Honourable the Minister of Education, that the House do now ad journ. Mr. Speaker presented the motion and after a voice vote declared the motion carried and the House adjourned tintll 2 :3 0 Tuesday af ternoon. April loth, 1961 Page 1775

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