British Columbia Hansard — Monday, May 27, 2019 a.m. — Number 261 (HTML) (41st Parliament, 4th Session) (20190527am-House-Blues)
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British Columbia — Debates (Hansard)
Fourth Session, 41st Parliament
(2019) OFFICIAL REPORT
OF DEBATES
(HANSARD)
Monday, May 27, 2019
Morning Sitting
Issue No. 261
ISSN 1499-2175
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CONTENTS
Routine Business
Point of Privilege
J. Brar
Orders of the Day
Private Members’ Statements
Fuelling B.C.
E. Ross
J. Routledge
Climate action
S. Malcolmson
P. Milobar
Respect for the House
R. Sultan
M. Dean
Education funding
B. D’Eith
D. Davies
Private Members’ Motions
Motion 14 — Consultation and public engagement
C. Oakes
R. Kahlon
M. Bernier
D. Routley
I. Paton
J. Brar
S. Cadieux
J. Rice
L. Reid
R. Glumac
J. Thornthwaite
Personal Statements
Withdrawal of comments made in the House
J. Johal
MONDAY, MAY 27, 2019
The House met at 10:02 a.m.
[Mr. Speaker in the chair.]
Routine Business
Prayers.
Point of Privilege
J. Brar: Salaam alaikum. Last week I reserved my right on a point of
privilege, and today I rise to speak about it.
We are blessed to live in the most beautiful province, home to the
most diverse community — the province built by the people who came before us
on the fundamental values of equality, justice and fairness for all British
Columbians. These principles are fundamental to Canadian society. We believe
in treating people equally, regardless of race or place of origin. This is
the people’s House, this beautiful House, and it is our job as the
representatives of the people to lift people up, not put them
down.
On May 16, the member for Richmond-Queensborough told the Minister of
Citizens’ Services that she is “an MLA for Surrey-Panorama, not Islamabad
North.” The member also claimed some of these individuals were on security
watch lists.
[10:05 a.m.]
This allegation was repeated outside of the House by other B.C.
Liberal MLAs, including the Opposition House Leader, who took it even
further by saying these people were “on the U.S. terror watch list.” This is
false. To the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence that these
individuals were on security watch lists.
The Pakistani community is very upset and offended as a result of the
comments made by B.C. Liberals inside this House and outside this House. The
Pakistan Canada Association said that they were disappointed by these
comments because they “feed into a troubling Islamophobia narrative.” The
Pakistani Canadian Cultural Association said that the comments “have
outraged and offended the Pakistani community.” They note that “his fellow
Liberal MLAs clapped to show support for his inappropriate
statements.”
The Pakistani community has made extraordinary contributions to this
province, and they deserve respect from all members of this House.
Therefore, the member for Richmond-Queensborough must not only retract but
apologize to the members of the Pakistani community that he has
hurt.
Mr. Speaker: Thank you, Member. I will follow up with the member referred
to.
[R. Chouhan in the chair.]
Orders of the Day
Private Members’ Statements
FUELLING B.C.
E. Ross: Before many of us had even arrived this morning, we came into
contact with numerous oil and gas products. Toothbrushes, water bottles,
eyeglasses, and so many more, far too many to list, wouldn’t be
available without fossil fuels. Even the future of our energy use uses
fossil fuels. Wind and solar projects, as well as electric vehicles, all
need fossil fuels.
Let’s remember that these are the same industries that will
continue to stimulate battery production through the complaints of child
labour and poor working conditions in countries with fewer regulations
than Canada. None of this can exist without fossil fuels, which means to
say that to say no to fossil fuels is to say no to wind power, solar
power and electric vehicles. You can’t have one without the other. To
say otherwise is reckless and irresponsible. It would demonstrate a
complete lack of understanding as to how oil and gas actually affect our
everyday lives.
What we should really be doing is not being hypocrites but
scrutinizing the carbon footprint of the clean energy industry in the
same way we do for the oil and gas industry. A carbon footprint is a
carbon footprint regardless of what caused it. I say this to cement the
fact that oil and gas is foundational to our way of life and will
continue to be so for many years to come.
With that being the case, we need to make the most of the
situation and take our place on the world stage for the sake of global
emissions, and not for the sake of politics. B.C. does LNG and oil
extraction in more a responsible way than anyone else in the world. Our
neighbours in Washington state confirmed this when they admitted that
Tacoma’s proposed LNG plant would only reduce state emissions if the
natural gas were to come from B.C.
This is according to the Puget Sound Clean Air Agency, which said,
in relation to reducing GHGs that come from other fuels like diesel….
The agency went on to point out that our province has tighter controls
on upstream emissions than they do on gas produced in the U.S. and that
B.C. has tighter regulations for drilling and natural gas processing.
The Americans know what they’re talking about in this case, because
there has never been a water aquifer contaminated in the history of B.C.
fracking. B.C. companies drill too deep, and we also put in extra
protections like cement casings around the drill holes.
For some reason, many Canadians seem hesitant or polite to stand
up and defend our own societal and economic prosperity, even though we
do such a good job at it. It’s completely senseless for many in B.C. to
continue to be indifferent to or, in many cases, fight against our own
interests as a province, because oil and gas does fuel our way of life,
just like everybody else’s around the world.
[10:10 a.m.]
All that fighting against fossil fuels does is enrich our
neighbours and competitors around the world. For years, Oregon has been
keeping a close eye on B.C. LNG, hoping to capitalize on B.C.’s politics
and rhetoric, in the hopes we wouldn’t approve our own LNG projects.
They hope to buy B.C. LNG at a discount in the same manner the U.S. does
with Canadian oil. Thankfully, B.C. came to its senses, and as a result,
LNG Canada made its final investment decision.
Now it’s time to focus on Chevron’s KM LNG, Haisla’s Cedar LNG and
Squamish Woodfibre LNG, not only for the emission reductions but also so
the LNG doesn’t end up being exported out of American ports at our
expense. This is absolutely no time for us to be overly polite or
hesitant, because if we don’t go out and fight for the interests of B.C.
and our way of life, no one else will. It goes without saying what these
projects will do for our economy, employment and government
finances.
Furthermore, the potential for B.C. First Nations to thrive and
for reconciliation to be achieved is nearly unprecedented in our
lifetime. When First Nations work together with government and industry,
the agreements that result allow them to pull their people out of
poverty, to maintain the necessary jobs to support their communities and
to focus more resources on protecting their cultures. These situations
are no doubt win-win-win, and it would be a shame to allow these
opportunities to die on the vine.
Those of us who support a prosperous future for British Columbia
have fought tooth and nail for LNG to go ahead. We got the LNG Canada
final investment decision, and just recently, as a result of our
advocacy, the Senate committee of Canada rejected Bill C-48, the tanker
ban.
British Columbians have it in us to do better than our
competitors, not only for global markets but also in continually
improving our regulations. We still have two glaring advantages: we are
closer to Asian markets, and we have a colder climate that speaks to
cooling and drive loads. And we used to be a stable country,
politically. We’ll continue to fight to fuel B.C. and Canada, because
it’s our future.
J. Routledge: Thank you to the member for Skeena for introducing this statement,
“Fuelling B.C.” I welcome the opportunity to respond.
I would agree that oil and gas has been foundational in British
Columbia and that it has played a role in the development of the British
Columbia that we know today. However, I think that there are some
historical facts, some of our history, that bear paying attention to,
because there are lessons that can be learned.
Let me fill in some of the historical gaps. I represent the people
of Burnaby North, where the last remaining refinery in the Port of
Vancouver is still operational. Now, at one time, Vancouver was a major,
major refining hub. Imperial Oil built its Ioco refinery in Port Moody
in 1914. Shell built its Shellburn refinery in North Burnaby in 1932 and
expanded it in 1945.
There were four refineries in the port at that time. They produced
a wide variety of value-added products, products that were refined and
distributed to local markets in British Columbia, but they also produced
hundreds of good-paying jobs, jobs that supported families in Metro
Vancouver. In the heyday of Vancouver being a refining hub, those jobs
depended on crude oil that came by tanker from the oil fields in Alaska
and California. All of that changed in 1947, when oil was discovered in
Leduc, Alberta.
[10:15 a.m.]
Now, the federal government of the day, the Liberal government of
Louis St. Laurent, passed the Pipeline Act to help Alberta get its oil
to market. The Trans Mountain Oil Pipe Line Co., as it was called in
those days, made its case to the Board of Transport Commissioners, as it
was called in those days, that it should be allowed to build a pipeline
from Edmonton to Burnaby. Their core argument for wanting to build that
pipeline was that the pipeline would be used to deliver domestic oil to
domestic refineries. But even back then, not all local politicians
thought that a promise from a primarily American multinational
corporation was good enough.
Howard Green, the MP for Vancouver South and the Progressive
Conservative critic, wanted a national energy security clause enshrined
in the act. His warnings fell on deaf ears, and his warnings proved
prophetic. No sooner had Trans Mountain secured approval to build a
pipeline to connect Alberta oil to refineries in B.C. — and the hearings
only took three days…. No sooner had they got approval than they applied
for and were granted permission to build a spur line to Washington
state. This was in 1951. Now, keep in mind there were no refineries in
Washington state at the time.
Another local politician, a Liberal this time, Tom Goode, who
represented what was then Burnaby-Richmond, accused the Trans Mountain
Pipe Line Co. of double-crossing B.C. and Canada. He predicted that the
spur line would divert most of Alberta’s oil away from the Vancouver
refineries to new ones in the United States, and he was
right.
By the 1970s, 60 percent of Alberta oil was going to refineries in
Washington on a pipeline that was built because of Trans Mountain. By
the 1990s, all but one small refinery on the Burrard Inlet had closed,
and that small refinery doesn’t even have enough capacity to supply half
of the domestic B.C. needs. The result: since the 1990s, Vancouver has
had the highest gas prices compared to Toronto, Montreal or any other
major Canadian city.
We’ve been here before. Let’s think of our history and not just
motor on, so to speak, with the assumptions we’ve made in the past. We
have to rethink everything.
E. Ross: What others continually fail to recognize is that oil and
gas–based products cannot be simply parted from our way of life. Every
bike and electric car was, at least at one point, transported on a
gas-powered vehicle and uses petroleum-based parts. This isn’t even to
mention the despicable labour conditions in which some of these products
are made and the many drawbacks of their manufacturing processes.
There isn’t an area of our lives that petroleum products and
fossil fuels don’t touch. This lack of realization is a problem within
our province but also within the realm of federal politics.
The leader of the federal NDP has put B.C. LNG squarely back in
the arena of politics. This is not a partisan statement. This is just
the reality. The only thing he’s made clear is that the party’s position
is not to have a position, which is incredibly dangerous at a time when
fighting for Canadian and British Columbian interests is so important.
In fact, if anything, there is now an identity crisis in federal
politics,
whereas the leader of the Green Party is now saying that we
should only use Canadian oil and not foreign-imported oil, but we should
use oil for the many plastics, rubber, paint and other such products
that we currently use it for. This is an identity crisis.
We need political stability on this file. We need to build on what
we have achieved with First Nations and industry, and we need to
recognize the importance of oil and gas in our daily lives. The future
of oil and gas and the future of LNG is in B.C.
This fact was confirmed at the recent Canada Gas and LNG
Conference in Vancouver. Describing China’s demand for LNG as being
almost infinite, said Yao Li, CEO of the Chinese energy consulting firm
SIA Energy…. The energy executive says China’s shift from coal to
natural gas will require a substantial increase from LNG imports.
Currently only about 57 percent of China’s natural gas needs are
supplied domestically. B.C. is therefore in a highly strategic position
to wean China off dirty coal and transition it to the cleanest fuel on
the planet.
[10:20 a.m.]
Between 2020 and 2040, we’re expecting the gas market in China to
expand by close to 40 percent. On a global scale, about two-thirds of
gas demand growth is going to come from China.
We have battled many forces in getting LNG approved in B.C. and
will continue to do so on legitimate issues. Pandering for votes at this
stage of the game is not a legitimate issue. If we want to reduce
China’s emissions, build B.C.’s economy and pay for our social
infrastructure in B.C., we, as leaders, have to fight against partisan
opposition at all levels, especially on LNG.
CLIMATE ACTION
S. Malcolmson: Climate impacts are being felt on Vancouver Island right now.
We’re seeing hotter water harming chum, chinook and coho salmon returns
represent. Salmon are also harmed by drier rivers resulting from reduced
snowpack.
We’ve had two decades of pine beetle infestation, which has led to
tens of thousands of job losses. Ocean acidity has increased 30 percent
and is expected to increase by up to 150 percent by the end of this
century. Worldwide, since 1975, oceans absorbed 90 percent of the extra
heat caused by global warming. They are buffering us. Drought, disease
and pests threaten food security on Vancouver Island, which already
imports 95 percent of its supply.
Bless them. The global youth movement on climate action is raising
the alarm louder every day. We thank them for their work and advocacy
and their hope.
The good news is that acting on climate change can boost the local
economy and good jobs as well. Tackling climate change can incent smart
investments, strengthen local economy and promote Canadian
entrepreneurship in the trillion-dollar clean global energy economy.
With the right leadership, we can improve both our economic and
environmental outcomes for the long term. Climate action is a win-win
for our local economy and our global environment, and we are right now
innovating, cutting greenhouse gas emissions and adding good-paying
jobs.
On Nanaimo’s Bowen Road, there’s a new affordable housing complex
unlike anything else we’ve seen. Nuutsumuut Lelum, a joint project from
the Nanaimo Aboriginal Centre and B.C. Housing, is culturally designed,
and it uses 90 percent less energy in its passive house design. It’s
home to 25 Indigenous families. It’s beautiful. Last month, the Canadian
Home Builders Association of Vancouver Island awarded it for high
performance at the VIBE gala in Nanaimo.
Making our buildings and our communities more environmentally
friendly builds jobs, health and affordability, and it cuts carbon
emissions. This idea — that the transition to a low-carbon economy also
improves quality of life — is at the heart of CleanBC, our government’s
new climate plan. The green building industry already employs 32,000
people in B.C. in jobs like architecture, manufacturing and
installation, so we are already well set.
Some of the actions that we are taking together to make a
difference and reduce emissions: we’re upgrading the B.C. building code
to get more energy-efficient buildings and providing incentives for
owners and the construction industry to build and renovate to
higher-efficiency buildings.
All 300 new affordable homes announced or underway in Nanaimo,
under the new affordable housing building boom that we are working on,
are being built to step 2 or 3 of the new B.C. energy step code. By
2032, all new buildings in B.C. will be required to be built net-zero
energy ready. That’s a similar standard to what Nuutsumuut Lelum built
in Nanaimo. For renters, this will mean a higher stock of healthier,
high-efficiency housing. If you are paying less on your power bill,
then, again, you have a more affordable life.
We are retrofitting B.C.’s stock of 51,000 publicly owned and
funded social housing units to make those houses less polluting, more
energy-efficient and more affordable. It’s better for air quality too.
If you’ve got a better maintained house and less mould, people do
better.
[10:25 a.m.]
People renovating private homes can also receive rebates: $3,000
for replacing their heating system with a heat pump; $5,500 in rebates
available for installing better insulation; $2,000 for replacing older,
draftier windows and doors with better insulated ones. If anybody at
home wants to tap into any of these and they’re having difficulty
finding it, ask your MLA. We’ll help you navigate the
process.
On the bigger picture, it’s not just about what individuals do on
their homes. We’re very focused on cutting corporate emissions, reducing
provincial greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent below 2007 levels by
2030. By 2040, it’ll be a 60 percent reduction; by 2050, 80 percent less
greenhouse gas emissions. That includes a low-carbon fuel standard to
reduce average carbon intensity of transportation fuels. That includes a
renewable gas requirement. That includes a 45 percent reduction in
methane emissions from upstream oil and gas operations by 2025. Already
the B.C. Oil and Gas Commission is developing regulations to better
manage and reduce fugitive emissions in the oil and gas
sectors.
Methane emissions generated from waste and agricultural sectors
also have to reduce. Our goal is to see 75 percent of landfill methane
captured by 2030, and 95 percent of organic waste will be diverted from
landfills and turned into renewable resources.
We’re speeding up the switch to cleaner fuels, making our fuel
cleaner by increasing the low-carbon fuel standard to 20 percent by
Electric vehicles. We’ve heard a lot about that in this House.
With up to $16,000 in rebates, that can bring the price of a new
electric vehicle down to $20,000. It’s still expensive but more
affordable, and then the savings in gas and maintenance make, again, it
cheaper for families. Just over 20 years from now, every car in B.C.
will be required to be sold…. New cars will have to be electric
vehicles. We’re adding new charging infrastructure as well.
A lot of investments in active transportation and public
transportation. We are also helping remote communities reduce dependence
on diesel for electricity and supporting public infrastructure
efficiency upgrades and fuel switching to biofuels.
Most importantly, arguably, switching to training so that new
graduates of our colleges and universities know how to do this hands-on
work. At Vancouver Island University, they have converted their coal
shafts to geothermal power. What a beautiful example of what an
institution can do that is innovative, teaches students how to be
hands-on and takes us away from an old fuel to a new fuel.
P. Milobar: I’m pleased to rise to speak to the statement around climate
action from the member for Nanaimo. Some good points were
raised.
Imagine, if you will, the innovation that we could see in this
province with a $2.35 billion revenue source over a four-year period.
Imagine what innovation we could see if we used all of that $2.35
billion of revenue that was generated in a four-year period to actually
spur on innovation, to actually help people trying to do exactly as the
member for Nanaimo said: innovate, bring in low-carbon standards, bring
in low-carbon industry, bring in low-carbon entrepreneurship.
Imagine if you used all of that $2.35 billion of revenue that was
generated through taxation to actually accomplish that. Unfortunately,
what we see — and we’ve heard of CleanBC from the member for Nanaimo —
is that it’s not a $2.35 billion plan over the next four years with
CleanBC; it’s a $900 million plan. It’s a plan that’s been underfunded
by almost 66 percent of what it’s actually collecting in
revenue.
Why that’s significant is because, when you look into the CleanBC
plan — and I’ve asked several ministers now in estimates around this —
22 percent of CleanBC is actually predicated on the low-fuel standard
that the member for Nanaimo was just talking about, a fuel standard that
doesn’t exist in Washington and a fuel standard that doesn’t exist in
Alberta.
Why that’s significant is that means that just as much as we like
our artisanal beers and our craft beers, our artisanal wines and our
craft wines, our craft distilleries and our craft cideries that we have
in British Columbia, which we see growing in great leaps and bounds,
we’re now going to have artisanal craft gasoline at the pumps in British
Columbia to meet the low fuel standard.
[10:30 a.m.]
Unfortunately, the government is unwilling or unable to tell us
how much more per litre that is going to cost everybody at a time when
we’re paying record fuel prices in North America. The government seems
unwilling to actually share with anyone how much of a premium we are
going to pay for this new specially blended gasoline specifically for
B.C. and B.C. only. That’s 22 percent of the CleanBC targets.
You can see where the skepticism starts to come in to whether or
not CleanBC will actually be accomplished. That’s not even talking about
the 25 percent that’s missing from CleanBC right from day one. So there
we have 47 percent of CleanBC with a big question mark next to it
already.
Then we jump to the electric vehicles that the member for Nanaimo
was talking about as well. An electric vehicle program that has actually
been very much accelerated since May 1. Since May 1, we’ve seen a better
part of $9 million spent on subsidies for people to purchase electric
vehicles, with the matching federal dollars and the SCRAP-IT program
bringing $16,000 of eligibility for a vehicle under $50,000.
Why that’s important is based on what CleanBC has budgeted for a
three-year window for 156 months’ worth of programming. They have now
budgeted, based on this uptake rate, about eight weeks of funding for
the subsidy program. That means that in about seven more weeks, CleanBC
will have expended all of its money that it had actually earmarked for
156 months’ worth of spending. Again, $900 million versus $2.35 billion
collected in taxation. One has to wonder where that extra money is
going.
The step code. A previous government brought in the step code. It
was meant to be a guiding document for municipalities to be able to pick
and choose and try to figure out how to reasonably get their
municipalities engaging within the step code. The home builders I’ve
talked to…. At a time when housing affordability is a number one issue
for people, a new home in Kamloops, where I’m from…. The step code,
being mandatory, will add $70,000 to the construction price of a new
home in a city that does not actually broach over $500,000 as an average
sale price for a home.
Now with the step code being mandatory, it will add $70,000 for
about a 1.5 percent improvement of the efficiency of a home under the
current situation that they’re dealing with in Kamloops.
That’s not making life more affordable. That’s not making housing
more affordable for people. It’s certainly not helping people trying to
get into entry-level housing when you’re talking an extra $70,000
because of government policy. I’m sure we could look into things with
other commissions, but I’m sure the government would not want us to look
into government policy.
S. Malcolmson: There is so much to bite into there — most particularly, the
previous government’s complete failure to address the affordable housing
crisis. This government is taking action in every way.
The builders that I’ve talked to in Nanaimo are embracing the
three-step energy code. They’re taking it as a point of pride, and
they’re taking it as the training and innovation opportunity that it
really is. This is the way of the future. It absolutely is.
The previous government struck a climate leadership team, ignored
all their recommendations. They abandoned action on climate change. Even
their former Premier said he’s disappointed in his own party’s
approach.
In their mad rush for LNG projects, a dozen of them, they pretty
much gave up on meeting our climate targets. Emissions increased by
three million tonnes between 2010 and 2015. They once admitted concerns
about diluted bitumen spills and the impact it would cause to our
environment and economy, then basically, rolled over while this new
government is fighting as hard as it can to protect our coast from
diluted bitumen. I just won’t spend more time on the arguments across
the aisle, because they just aren’t backed up by action in any
way.
We have a good-news story here in British Columbia. Canada’s green
building industry employs more direct full-time workers than forestry,
mining, oil and gas industries combined — 32,000 people already in B.C.
doing this work. They’re investing in hopeful renewable energy projects,
embracing new building technology, growing our food closer to home. All
of these things will create more job opportunities and support small
business in British Columbia. This is a win-win.
[10:35 a.m.]
When we act on climate, we do better. We are pushing hard — local
jobs, local economy, global environmental protection. It’s so past time
for action.
We are including greenhouse gas emissions and reductions in all of
our decision-making and celebrating the resulting innovation, job
creation and local benefits in our communities that ensue.
RESPECT FOR THE HOUSE
R. Sultan: I’ve been a member of this Legislative Assembly for 18
years, hoping for 20. At my age, I notice my peers, those still on this
side of the turf, whiling away the day with their feet up on the
sofa.
I was lucky. I stumbled upon politics late in the day as a sort of
consolation after my wife passed away. It has become my life, and you
have become my family. I enjoy the huge privilege of being chosen to
serve the province where I was born and raised.
With that joy comes responsibility and respect for our democratic
institution called parliament. Unfortunately, the durability of
democracy is not guaranteed. Scholars ask whether the great republic of
the United States is acquiring the earmarks of oligarchy and
dictatorship and whether Britain, home of Mother Parliament, can
maintain citizen confidence in representative government.
How did the point of a gun become the instrument of power in
places like Zimbabwe and Venezuela, leading to repression and economic
collapse? If this is not enough, what restraints today, right here,
propaganda, shaping citizens’ views of domestic affairs and overwhelming
our legitimate dialogues of democracy?
Given all of this, we must be ever more vigilant to strengthen,
protect and, most of all, maintain the public reputation of our proud
institution of parliament, the people’s House, where the voices of a
true cross-section of all of our citizens can be listened to with
respect. Unfortunately, that doesn’t always happen. Events occur which
provoke anger and disappointment.
Several weeks ago a member of this assembly, speaking in an
official capacity to municipal leaders, had some very unflattering
things to say about our assembly. When those in authority propagate the
view that more effective forms of leadership may be found in criminal
organizations such as the Hell’s Angels and the Mafia, and when we crank
up the publicity machine to loudly lay blame for expense account
malfeasance with a 75 percent error rate — on television, no less — and
when we bypass our institutions of internal governance without full
disclosure or transparency, it’s appropriate to ask questions in this
assembly.
There will always be contention. It’s the essence of democracy. We
advocate for what we think is best for our constituents and our
province, and views invariably diverge. But even in heated moments, we
must be respectful and uphold the good name of our assembly.
This is even more vital as stakes grow larger. When we are
threatened by global forces — and we are — beyond our control, when
technology turns our comfortable assumptions about the world upside
down, when cynicism about politicians and their sleazy ways is rampant,
this is no time for parliamentarians to circle the wagons and shoot
inward.
Rather, we must treat parliament, its leaders and all of its
members with all the more respect. If our leaders do not speak well of
us, who will? To speak well is, in fact, the law and regulation of this
place and has been for a long time.
[10:40 a.m.]
Over 100 years ago, a warrant was issued for two persons who had,
in words recorded in the Journals of B.C., engaged in “a
scandalous libel against certain members of this House and…high contempt
of the privileges and the constitutional authority of this House.” They
were arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms and held overnight in the
legislative lockup and, perhaps, served hardtack and water for
supper.
In more modern times, our website points out that MLAs — and all
of us are MLAs in this place — are expected to behave with dignity and
respect. Consulting, again, our Journals of B.C. , this time for
1962, we can read the admonition that we should not use words and
phrases that are “in bad taste from the point of view of the dignity of
the House.”
Ah, that magnificent phrase, “the dignity of the House.” I believe
our future depends on our ability to revive that sense of respect and
responsibility, which has now been placed in jeopardy.
M. Dean: Thank you to the member for West Vancouver–Capilano for
highlighting this topic in the House. Thank you for your very long
service as well. You’re right. It’s an honour and a responsibility to
represent our communities and to come here and speak in our roles as
MLAs in chambers.
The public perception is very important because we expect that
there will be trust in our democratic processes as we’re here
representing all of British Columbia. It’s correct, as well, that some
members have actually spoken out in unparliamentary ways — even in these
chambers, even in this session. For example, the member for Langley East
compared the agriculture bill to the Holocaust and has apologized. The
member for Richmond-Queensborough made comments in bad taste and has
retracted. The member for Prince George–Mackenzie has also had to
retract some comments that have been made.
We all know from our own experience and from words that have been
spoken in this House that some behaviours and some language does need to
be tempered. When we, as Members of the Legislative Assembly, are
receiving letters from teachers that tell us that they do not want to
bring British Columbian kids in to watch us and watch our democracy in
action, then we know that something needs to change.
The Speaker actually read out a letter that he had received from a
teacher who said: “Yesterday I visited the Legislature during question
period as a chaperone for an elementary school field trip. I was
delighted by the hospitality we received on our tour and the beautiful
building. I was appalled and deeply saddened by the ugliness we
witnessed during question period. The time was wasted in posturing,
bullying and name-calling. It was…uncomfortable to watch with students
we teach to ‘Be kind; be safe; be respectful; be
responsible.’”
“That’s their school motto,” the Speaker said. “I receive lots of
letters like that. I don’t want to receive any more.”
Oral question period, obviously, is a regular item of
business that we conduct here in chambers. It’s a really
important, fundamental aspect of our democracy. It’s an accountability
tool for effective democracy. However, it receives a disproportionate
amount of media attention, and it’s much more likely to be the image
that the public holds of their parliament. Unfortunately, the perception
of the lack of decorum or substance erodes the public’s faith in our
political systems. That is in spite of the fact, I would like to
emphasize, that our Legislature functions in many effective ways outside
of QP.
Of course, when I speak to my colleagues about this, their
expectations are really, really diverse as well. But here in British
Columbia, we are very fortunate that there’s some modern, up-to-date,
recent research by a student called Rachel McMillan at the University of
Victoria. She’s supervised by Dr. Grace Lore. She’s been looking into
the nature of heckling in chambers across Canada. Her review revealed
that 56 percent of Canadians think less of the parliamentary process
after tuning into question period.
Importantly, she also explored the impact of increasing
representation of women in politics on the nature of heckling, a
significant indicator of respect for the House. Women are now
represented to a much larger extent in legislatures and cabinets across
Canada.
[10:45 a.m.]
Today in British Columbia, women make up 39 percent of the
Legislature and half of cabinet. That is in spite of the fact that
political culture is one of the most frequently cited issues affecting
the recruitment and retention of women in politics — because, of course,
our politics are built on colonial and patriarchal roots.
One of the trends that is revealed around questioning in chambers
is that women are heckled more on issues related to ethics and personal
conduct compared to men. They are significantly more likely to hear
heckles related to gender, age and appearance. While both men and women
have an experience of heckling that is gendered, women are typically
held to a higher standard when speaking on personal conduct
issues.
To finish, I’d like to question: well, what does this mean for us?
Why have this discussion here in chambers? Clearly, it’s a personal
choice. We have a lot of standing orders that govern how we work
together in this House. We’re a diverse group of people. We all make
choices about how we behave and perform and conduct our business in the
House.
R. Sultan: I would like to thank the member for Esquimalt-Metchosin
for her well-researched remarks and thoughtful
observations.
I would like to close, myself, by quoting the Rt. Hon. Beverley
McLachlin, privy councillor and former Chief Justice of Canada, who
addressed the 17th Commonwealth Speakers and Presiding Officers
Conference in Montebello, Quebec, on January 9, 2004. She reflected on
Parliament as follows:
“The role of a Speaker is similar in certain respects to a role that
I’m quite familiar with — the judicial role. Speakers, like judges,
spend most of their time doing something which most people avoid at all
costs — making decisions. Like judges, they rule on points of order and
make a myriad of decisions on questions of process. Like judges, they
are required to render objective and impartial decisions on issues that
can prove controversial and complex.
“Like judges, they must be above the fray and free from bias. Like
judges, they are required to abandon partisan politics and must be
independent and free from political influence. Like judges, Speakers are
human beings. But like judges, they must strive to set aside personal
preferences and opinions and rule as objectively as humanly
possible.
“And like judges, Speakers doubtless sometimes feel a little lonely.
Both roles entail sacrifice and dedication to the office. Yet both offer
great rewards, the most important being the privilege of serving one’s
nation and community by promoting justice, the rule of law and
democracy.”
I believe Chief Justice McLachlin has given us a timely job
description for parliamentary leadership, as relevant today as it was 15
years ago. It is not too much to expect our leaders today to live up to
these same words.
EDUCATION FUNDING
B. D’Eith: All of us have different reasons for why we run. For me, there
were really three main reasons.
The first one was that I worked in arts and culture and the
creative industries. There was a time when I was working nationally, and
there were, basically, cuts to arts and culture at a time when many
other provinces and the federal government were actually increasing arts
funding. That was really disappointing to me, and it really motivated
me.
The second was mental health. I have a family member who suffered
from mental health issues for decades, and there just simply weren’t the
resources for him.
Probably, the third, and one of the most important, was education.
I have five children. All went through public school in British
Columbia, and they experienced an entire generation where class sizes
were far too big and many of their friends with special needs were
simply not getting the services that they needed.
[10:50 a.m.]
The final straw for our family was when the fifth portable was put
on at Albion Elementary School — right over the track. So the kids
couldn’t have track anymore. Really, this was a period of time that the
former government spent years and years fighting the education
system.
Now, in contrast to that, of course, in 2019-2020, the K-to-12
operating funding has actually grown by $228 million. That means that
the budget now is $6.6 billion. That’s actually $1 billion more than the
previous government provided in 2016-2017. In fact, because this student
enrolment has actually increased by 3.2 percent…. If you look at that,
at the same time, the budget has actually increased 17 percent. What
that means is that we have to make sure that all districts and students
see the same results for these investments. That’s why, this year, it’s
very important to look at equity in the system.
I think I’ve heard this time and time again from the opposition:
how wonderful our education system is. It is wonderful. But similar to
the economy…. You can have a wonderful economy for certain people and
still have 500,000 people living in poverty, have one in five children
living in poverty and middle-income people struggling paycheque to
paycheque. It’s the same with our education system. We may have some
kids that are doing really well and then others who are falling behind.
I think that is one of the main reasons why investments in education are
so important.
Right now the focus is on equity and providing increased funding
for kids with special needs, for example. So what’s happening now, in
this budget, is that the total supplementary funding for kids who need
support is now at $570 million next year. That’s actually a 23 percent
increase. While the percentage of all designated students with special
needs has remained constant at about 11 percent, the increased money
means that they’re going to be getting more funding, and that’s
great.
This is really important. For the first time since 2006, every
B.C. school district is forecast to see an increase in funding
next year. That’s really, really critical.
In addition to increasing supplementary funding for students who
need it the most, it’s important to focus on outcomes. One of the things
that every minister got, which was one of the greatest things I think
happened…. In every letter to every minister, there was a focus on
looking at truth and reconciliation and First Nations in every ministry.
That’s a very important part of what’s been going on.
I’m actually very proud of the progress that’s been made in this
regard. Last year there were a lot of gains made. Graduation rates for
Indigenous students actually reached 70 percent. Earlier this year the
First Nations Education Steering Committee, B.C. and Canada, came to
sign a new B.C. Tripartite Education Agreement. That’s actually going to
lay the foundation for increased equity outcomes for our First Nations
students.
Another really wonderful thing is that B.C.’s new
curriculum includes Indigenous content in every subject in every
grade. So important as part of reconciliation is awareness of what the
history of the Indigenous peoples has been. So it’s very, very
satisfying to see that.
Another big part of investment is in mental health. That, as I
said earlier, was so important to me because of my family.
Part of tackling mental health is early intervention. That’s why
it’s really, really important that there is a focus on the outcomes of
vulnerable students. That’s why it’s great that the provincial ERASE
strategy program has been resourced so well. That’s now focusing on gang
support for students of all sexual orientations and gender identities.
There is an investment of $3 million for a range of early intervention
initiatives, and that is really, really important. If we can get in
front of this, then a lot of people will not be dealing with mental
health when they’re adults.
[10:55 a.m.]
Another really great piece of equity in the education system
recently is the announcement that all districts will be required to
provide menstrual products in school washrooms by the end of the year.
That is a really wonderful program. I did want to thank the
Parliamentary Secretary for Gender Equity and, of course, the New
Westminster school district for showing such leadership in this. It’s so
important for kids to feel comfortable at school and to have that
equity.
The other big piece, of course, is capital expenditure. As I
mentioned, in Maple Ridge, we had the Albion school just bursting at the
seams, and we needed an elementary school 12 years ago. We kept asking
for it and kept asking for it. It never happened. Finally, we actually
are getting an elementary school;
c̓əsqənelə is going to open in
September for 600 students. But it’s 12 years too late for many of the
families in my region. It’s wonderful that it’s happening, but it’s 12
years too late.
It’s really great that we’ve invested $1 billion since September
2017 into building these schools and seismic upgrades and buying
properties and that there will be actually $2.7 billion included in the
2019 budget for upgrading schools and building new schools.
D. Davies: Thank you to my colleague from Maple Ridge–Mission for
opening up this discussion about education funding. As the Education
critic and a teacher, I’m certainly honoured to reply to the statement.
Always happy to talk about bettering our province’s greatest natural
resource, our children, and their education.
It’s no rumour — and all of us in this House agree — that British
Columbia has one of the best education systems in the world. For many
years, jurisdictions from around the planet have come to us, to British
Columbia, to learn how to deliver quality education. I am confident that
that will continue, with the incredible quality of teachers that we have
around the province.
Fort St. John is fast growing and has a faster-growing student
population. Since 2012, the Fort St. John Hospital has seen more than
600 births a year. Our robust resource economy means that many will
likely be there for their entire school careers. It is great to see that
both the former Minister of Education as well as the current one
understand this and are funding spaces.
In the North Peace, we have been quite lucky regarding this. In
2015, school district 60 celebrated $22.3 million in provincial funding
that had been put aside for a new K-to-6 elementary school in northwest
Fort St. John. Happy to say that myself and the Minister of Education
attended the grand opening of this school just this past fall. On a side
note, the new “Ma” Murray School is quite incredible indeed.
In 2015, land was bought again for another school in Fort St.
John. And in 2018, $30.8 was announced for an elementary school — this
one with 500 student spaces — which began construction last summer. It’s
scheduled to open in 2021.
Funding for education covers more areas than new books and fancy
lab equipment. It also ensures that the children and the youth of this
province are able to get a quality education without interruption in
their classes, which allows their teacher to give as much time to each
and every student. When my colleague from Peace River South was Minister
of Education, he successfully negotiated a five-year contract with B.C.
teachers that provided a solid five years of stability for these
students.
In many areas, this is an entire high school career. These
students were able to get the most out of their education. They did not
have to miss any valuable time due to conflict. But, unfortunately, we
are far from perfect with regards to our responses to the province’s
education requirements. That is something that I think all of us in this
House, on both sides, would agree with.
In fact, I think of Surrey, where the number of portables in the
last two years has increased 31 percent. This money needs to be going to
building actual school facilities and not just add-ons. Amazingly, the
current contract bargaining that’s going on may see larger class sizes,
which makes it far more difficult for teachers to spend time on
individual students who may be struggling. This is an issue that doesn’t
seem to be going away, even though the Supreme Court has spoken on it
and provided for mutually agreed class sizes and composition rules. It
will be very interesting to see how the discussions will go, on these
negotiations, over the coming months.
The effect of this means less teachers for more students, and I
don’t think that that is an outcome that anyone in this House wants to
see.
[11:00 a.m.]
[J. Isaacs in the chair.]
In these formative years, inadequate attention from teachers can
have a devastating impact on the career and the life prospects of our
students as they navigate their lives. We need to do everything that we
can to ensure that these students are successful today and that they are
successful as they choose whatever career path that they so
choose.
B. D’Eith: I appreciate that. Thanks for the words.
It’s worth nothing that, of course, there have been over 4,000 new
teaching positions created over the last two years, through the
memorandum of agreement with the BCTF, and that’s actually made life
much better for students, including kids with special needs.
There’s been a $1 billion increase from the budget that was from
2016-2017. Now the budget is $6.6 billion. There’s also $1 billion since
September 2017 that’s gone into schools to build badly needed seismic
upgrades and purchase properties. In 2019, there’s a record $2.7 billion
to build and expand schools. Very importantly, as I spoke earlier in
regards to equity, special needs funding is at $570 million in
2019-2020. That’s really important. Also, Indigenous funding is at $889
million. There’s a $300,000 start-up to get, as I mentioned earlier, the
menstrual product program into schools. Rural school districts are at
$295 million, and there are many other increases.
As I mentioned earlier, there’s been funding for over $400 million
per year for 4,000 new teaching positions. That actually includes 500
special education teachers and 190 more teacher-psychologists and
counsellors, which is so important for our schools, especially in
regards to making sure we have that equity in our schools. There’s also
funding to hire 1,000 new education assistants. That’s critical. That’s
what parents have been asking for, and that’s very important.
Overall, actual education funding has risen by 17.1 percent since
2017. But it’s not just the Supreme Court settlement. That was 9.6
percent of that. In fact, 7.5 percent of that 17 percent is additional
funding. That’s really important to note, because the funding that’s
being made through this government is because this government wants to
support education and is not fighting education.
Hon. J. Darcy: I would ask that the House consider proceeding with Motion 14
standing in the name of the member for Cariboo North.
Deputy Speaker: Hon. Members, unanimous consent of the House is required to
proceed with Motion 14 without disturbing the priorities of the motions
preceding it on the order paper.
Leave granted.
Private Members’ Motions
MOTION 14 — CONSULTATION
AND PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT
C. Oakes: On behalf of my constituents of Cariboo North, I am pleased to
move the following motion:
[Be it resolved that this House support meaningful consultation and
public engagement with British Columbians.]
In less than two years since this government has assumed office,
there have been dozens of reviews of programs and services. Most of
these have involved small panels appointed by government. For the most
part, this government has failed to follow up on most of the
recommendations contained within the final reports of these panels. Many
others have been dismissed outright before final recommendations have
even landed on the desk of the minister.
[11:05 a.m.]
The 2017 MSP Task Force is a prime example. The Finance Minister
ignored the task force’s stern advice to eliminate MSP premiums before
even considering a replacement tax. What do we have almost two years
later? Here it is in 2019, and British Columbians are still paying MSP
premiums while the government double-dips by charging the controversial
employer health tax at the same time. It makes people wonder what
purpose these expert panels serve if the government simply ignores their
findings.
The same applies to the Abbott and Chapman final report entitled
Addressing the New Normal: 21st Century Disaster Management in
British Columbia . The panelists worked very hard to address
wildfires and flooding by providing over 108 recommendations, most of
which have been washed over or rejected outright by government. For the
people of Cariboo North and throughout my region, there remains a great
deal to be done in the wake of the 2017 and 2018 wildfires and floods.
Yet we see little if any action on behalf of this government.
The people want their voices to be heard through meaningful
consultation. Yet we only see fiascos like the caribou conservation plan
that has rural and northern British Columbia deeply upset and worried
about the future of their local economies. In fact, the government’s
entire approach to management of the forest industry is scaring off
investment and resulting in mill closures and shift
curtailments.
In early April, the Premier addressed the annual meeting of the
Council of Forest Industries and called for all stakeholders, including
local government, First Nations and forest companies, to come up with a
plan to revitalize the industry. Then, without any warning or meaningful
consultation, the government introduced legislation that will confer
extraordinary powers to the Minister of Forests at the expense of
the industry as a whole.
This has sent shock waves throughout the entire forest industry.
The Council of Forest Industries warns that as many as a dozen lumber
mills and processing facilities will close permanently as a result. It
appears this government is determined to institute an uncompetitive
environment throughout the province. Business confidence is eroding in
British Columbia.
In fact, this past weekend I attended the B.C. Chamber of Commerce
AGM. Confidence. They have a MindReader program that determined
that B.C.’s economy has declined in confidence by 50 percent in
business. The primary reason cited, 79 percent, is that the cost of
doing business has worsened; 54 percent say that the provincial
government is not supportive of business. Business is also concerned
about the increasingly onerous nature of provincial regulations. Almost
40 percent of respondents state that the growing complexity and time
required to gain approval for construction of major projects is hurting
their business.
Earlier this month Tolko Industries announced the permanent
closure of their sawmill in Quesnel. This is devastating news for 150
employees, their families, contractors and small businesses in the
community who rely on the mill.
The arbitrary measures being taken by government are based on
ideology and will only encourage more and more companies to leave
British Columbia. Communities like Quesnel are forest-dependent. Up to
70 percent of our businesses are directly or indirectly impacted by a
weakening forest economy.
Affordability in my region means having a job. If the government
were open to advice and meaningful consultations, communities like mine
would not feel ambushed by ideologically driven policies and
legislation. People expect more from government.
R. Kahlon: It’s my pleasure to speak to this motion. Thank you to my
colleague across the way for bringing it.
I do find it a little problematic, because all last year all we
heard was: “Too much consultation. All they’re doing is consulting.” Now
we’re hearing: “Oh, they’re not consulting. They need to consult more.”
I think there are some real challenges, as far as consistent messaging
going on from the other side.
[11:10 a.m.]
The other piece I think it’s important to highlight around
consultations is imagine having reports given to you…. The member said:
“Well, they have reports, and they haven’t followed through on them.”
Imagine getting an ICBC report in 2014 from Ernst and Young saying that
ICBC’s got some serious challenges ahead and that report being scrubbed
and not being brought public and no action being taken.
It’s easy to say: “Well, this government is not doing public
consultation.” Well, sometimes they say we are, sometimes they say we’re
not. Then they’re saying reports are being presented, and nothing has
been done. We found uncovered reports that have been hidden. I presume
there’s a report somewhere around money laundering as well. I hope that
becomes public one day as well.
Now when we talk about consultation…. It wasn’t too long ago when
a minister from the B.C. Liberals’ side told the mayors to suck it up
when discussing funding for transit infrastructure. There was no
consultation happening there. It was: “Suck it up.”
It was not too long ago when the previous government, the B.C.
Liberal government, brought in the foreign buyer tax. Yes, I think they
can take credit for bringing in the foreign buyer tax. There was no
public consultation, except for…. I do recall Bob Rennie, a developer
who is a major donor for the B.C. Liberal Party, saying he was
consulted. But beyond him, I don’t think anybody else was
consulted.
The speaker before me — I’ve got a great deal of respect for her —
spoke about how there’s a report, and it said businesses are not feeling
like the government is listening. She then segued into the Tolko mill
shutting down. I think it’s a little disingenuous. We know that the
challenges around fibre supply, pine beetle, forest fires have been
coming for a while. In fact, the mayor from her own town had said that
he was preparing for years for this eventuality. So I think it’s not
fair to put the two together to suggest that that’s the reason why when
the previous government even knew this was coming.
Everybody in communities that are forest-dependent knows there’s a
challenge coming. To suggest it’s because of one government’s policies
and not another’s is…. I just don’t think it’s a fair point. Maybe the
member didn’t mean to make it that way. Again, I’ve got a great deal of
respect for her.
That being said, I was part of a consultation with this government
around the Human Rights Commission. It was an excellent consultation
process. We had so many organizations and groups that came to us and
said: “You know what? We’ve been waiting for someone to come to us and
talk about these issues.” There are a few members that were mentioned in
the consultations that had given these groups an opportunity to listen,
but never an opportunity for them to lay out the case around real human
rights challenges that they’re facing throughout this
province.
We travelled the province. We had written submissions. I feel that
the report reflected the sentiment and the will of all these
organizations and all the people who desperately want an independent
body that will reflect the human rights challenges that are faced
throughout this province.
I was quite grateful for the AG to take that report and take all
of the recommendations and put them forward. I’m hoping that we have a
human rights commissioner in place soon. I know that there is a
committee out there searching for the new commissioner. It’s my hope
that we get this person in place to get on with the important work that
so many people advocated for. It’s an example of consultation that our
government has done — in fact, one of the first ones. It was done very
well, and people are very happy with the outcome.
I think the thing that I’m most proud about that consultation is
our consultation with First Nations and Indigenous communities. We
didn’t go to them and say: “Here’s a report. What do you think?” We said
to them: “We have a challenge. How do you want to go about it?” Their
advice and recommendations were very much front and centre in the
report. I think it’s a start of a very meaningful and much-needed
relationship with First Nations and Indigenous communities.
With that, I will let my colleagues across the way continue the
debate.
M. Bernier: I really want to thank my colleague for bringing this important
issue forward today. For myself, I look at what’s been happening around
the province. I look specifically at what’s been happening in rural
British Columbia.
[11:15 a.m.]
Imagine waking up one morning and hearing that you might not be
able to use the back country anymore. Imagine being a local business
which supplies ATVs and snowmobiles and being told by people who come
into the store: “We’re pulling back. We’re not going to actually make
those purchases because of the uncertainty right now that the government
has brought in within the province.” Imagine being a mining company
operating in rural British Columbia and being told that because of this
uncertainty, we don’t know if we’re going to able to expand the mine or
keep people operating, keep those jobs continuing on.
The same goes with the forest sector, as was brought up earlier.
Imagine being a forest company that wants to expand and employ hundreds
and hundreds of people — 500 or more, actually thousands up in my part
of the world, in northeast B.C. — but because of uncertainty, not being
able to commit to your employees that they will have a job come the end
of this year.
I hope the members opposite are listening to this motion that was
put forward today, because the most important word in there is
“meaningful.” It’s about meaningful consultation. When this government
comes out and tries to brag about how many consultations they’re having,
they’re forgetting about adding the part about meaningful.
When I look at the caribou issue right now, and the Minister of
Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development puts
forward a partnership agreement with a select group of people but says,
“Don’t worry. We’re going to come and consult with the people in your
riding. We’re going to consult with the local governments, the small
businesses, the stakeholders,” what he forgot to add into that was the
meaningful consultation and, even worse, listening to what people are
trying to say.
We’ve been having consultations around the province. I look at the
caribou issue. In fact, those have been, for the most part, a slap in
the face to the whole concept of what consultation should be. When
people show up and have genuine concerns, and they want to air those
concerns, they expect the government to listen, not argue with them why
their concerns are wrong. That’s not consultation. That’s making a
decision, going out and patting yourselves on the back as a government
to say: “This is what we’re doing. Suck it up. You should like it. We’re
not going to be changing what we’re doing.”
That’s a complete slap in the face to the people, and I will
argue, right now, for all of British Columbia but specifically to what’s
happening in my area. When you look at the people wanting just to be at
the table….
I look at the caribou issue. I look at the people up in my riding.
They want to do what’s right for rural British Columbia, for the back
country, for the caribou — but also trying to recognize that we have to
figure out how to coexist with our First Nations friends and non–First
Nations local governments and how we sit together. When this government
comes out and says, “We’re going to consult,” but never listens to those
concerns that are being raised by other elected officials, whether it’s
the local governments, the regional districts, that is completely a
sham. That’s what this government has failed to do — supply and offer
any consultation that’s actually meaningful.
If it was meaningful, they’d be listening. It’s exactly what we’re
hearing right now — they’re still not listening — and that’s where
they’re failing the people of British Columbia who have genuine, genuine
concerns.
With that, if the members opposite, if this government truly wants
to stand by what they’re saying and be proud of every single thing
they’re doing as being consulted, what they should do is try to add the
word “meaningful” in there and try to live by that, because to date,
they have failed miserably.
D. Routley: The member who spoke before me suggested that we imagine being a
forest company or imagine being a mining company operating in B.C. Well,
imagine being a British Columbian with a memory and having to endure the
absolute hypocrisy of someone who sat in government for 16 years and did
nothing on the specific issue he’s talking about.
For the previous member, the mover of the motion, to speak about
forestry…. That former government oversaw the loss of 30,000 jobs and
more than 100 mills during the biggest housing boom in U.S. post-war
history before the 2008 crisis. That’s their record.
[11:20 a.m.]
Now I want to talk about how they listened, and I’d like to bring
up a ferry petition and a bridge petition. In September of 2014 — I
believe it was September 10 — the Union of B.C. Municipalities released
a socioeconomic study on the impact of the ferry fare increases
by the B.C. Liberal government. It ignited a firestorm of criticism
against the government’s policies. It brought the light to all the
impacts in all the communities of all of the cuts that they made —
social impacts, economic impacts, school children, small business
people.
What did this government do? Did they listen to the 20,000
signatures they had just received asking them not to make those cuts?
Did they listen to the 1,300 signatures from Bowen Island, out of 3,700
total population that asked them not to make those cuts? Did they
listen? No.
They threw a grenade into the room by listening to 700 signatures
on Gabriola asking for a bridge crossing. That ignited a huge,
diversionary, deflecting argument that saved that former government from
having to endure the burn of their cuts and the impact in people’s
lives. That’s exactly what happened. So they didn’t listen.
What did we do? We came to power, and we listened. We heard those
people, and we have restored 2,700 sailings. We have frozen fares on the
major routes. We have reduced fares on the smaller routes. We are doing
what they said that we should do: listening when they didn’t. They had
all those years to listen. They didn’t listen.
I have personally participated in some consultations that our own
government has done. I think they have been some of the most fantastic
experiences I’ve had as an MLA, particularly, the Wild Salmon Advisory
Council where the Premier brought together people from all sectors
affecting wild salmon — commercial fishermen, First Nations commercial
fishermen, First Nations food and ceremonial, biologists, First Nations
biologists, environmentalists, recreational fishermen and
outfitters.
All those people that normally clash were brought together,
and they all adopted a purpose that was given by the good…. The member
talked about good faith in consultation. It was the good faith of those
people, responding to the good faith of the Premier that made that a
success that led to $142 million in investment in the protection of wild
salmon habitat. That is important.
That’s what happens when you listen. You’re able to form public
policy that actually impacts people’s lives in a positive way. That’s
what I’m proud of — that this government has taken a different approach.
We are hearing people, who for 16 years had no voice, could not be heard
by a government that didn’t hear anyone but their donors and their core
supporters — the 2 percent, the most wealthy. Forget about the rest of
British Columbia.
Imagine, Member, just like you said. Imagine being a British
Columbian with a memory of that and the hypocrisy of a motion from that
former government talking about consultation. Well done.
I. Paton: I’m pleased to stand in the House to respond to the following
motion: “Be it resolved that this House support meaningful consultation
and public engagement with British Columbians.”
It’s an absolute privilege to sit in this place to debate policies
to make decisions that impact the day-to-day lives of British
Columbians. I know that in order to do this job successfully, there’s a
lot I need to know.
I not only need to be aware of the technical details of a
particular issue or bill, but it’s incumbent on me to imagine how people
will be affected by those details, for better or for worse. One of the
best ways that we as Members of the Legislative Assembly can do that is
by talking to people.
Before doing this job, I was a farmer. It’s easy to spend hours in
solitude, head down, doing your work diligently out in the fields for
hours on end, sitting in tractors and not speaking to anyone for long
periods of time. The days are extremely long, and there is not a lot of
time or energy to chase down government officials and share your views
on your obstacles and your challenges farming. Now, don’t get me wrong.
Farmers are a very vocal bunch.
[11:25 a.m.]
When we’re making decisions that affect their businesses, their
families, their entire livelihoods, it’s important that government
reaches out to them. Unfortunately, B.C.’s agricultural community has
not enjoyed that kind of outreach.
When we saw the creation of the Agriculture Minister’s Advisory
Committee studying the agricultural land reserve and the Agricultural
Land Commission, we learned farmers would be underrepresented and key
agricultural sectors in regions of the province would be shut out.
Presentations would be done by invitation only, and everyone else would
have to go on line to provide their feedback. It certainly limited the
range of opinions and ideas that could be gathered, which I would say is
far from what I describe as meaningful consultation.
Farmers have also told me that they didn’t feel adequately engaged
on a number of issues that are directly impacting their bottom lines,
making it harder for them to succeed. Increases to the carbon tax, to
the minimum wage as well as the new employer health tax are causing them
financial stress and forcing them to make some really tough decisions in
order to stay viable.
Talk about UBCM and being left out of consultation. Just yesterday
morning I’m reading the Province newspaper, and here’s what the
Province newspaper had to say. “The UBCM decried the lack
of notice provided by the province. Representatives of the Union of B.C.
Municipalities are furious that a policy change by the provincial
government declaring cannabis growth and production as farm use within
the agricultural land reserve was enacted without warning.” Once again,
consultation did not take place on this enactment of municipalities
taking over the bylaws and legislation of dealing with cannabis grow-ops
in our farmland.
What about Bill 52, which forces farmers to make an application to
the ALC to prove they are not speculators because they want to build a
house for their family or for farm help? It’s insulting, and it adds
costs and red tape — again, things farmers just don’t need right
now.
Farmers were caught off guard when the new rules suddenly came
into effect in February. We all know that famous date of February 22,
where everybody got taken by surprise by the change in regulations,
effectively scuttling the plans of numerous farm families. Housing for
farm workers is also being put in limbo, creating confusion and
uncertainty.
Then there are other measures being proposed by the ministry and
the minister, the government, to take away from some of the rights of
farmers when it comes to managing their property. Removing individual
rights and choice is something that requires a careful consideration and
consultation. Yet again, farmers don’t feel this has happened
adequately.
I’ve outlined a few examples here where the agriculture community
feels it’s been shortchanged when it comes to meaningful dialogue on the
issues that matter to them. It’s a far cry from the situation that’s
unfolding with regards to the future of the Massey Tunnel. My
constituents continue to sit in the gridlock every day, just as this
government does with its redundant reviews and its dismissal of
thousands of pages of research and engagement that have already been
done with people, stakeholders in this province.
It’s a bizarre juxtaposition — on the one hand, a
government that plows ahead with significant changes without
consulting practically anyone and, at the same time, takes forever to do
something about a problem that’s been analyzed to death.
J. Brar: I am very pleased to stand up in this House today to speak on the
motion, introduced by the member for Cariboo North. The motion reads:
“Be it resolved that this House support meaningful consultation and
public engagement with British Columbians.” I think the members from
both sides of the House support meaningful consultation and public
engagement with British Columbians. I think that’s a given thing. I
don’t think there’s any dispute there.
The key in this motion is: who do you consult with and why? That’s
the key question. That’s where the members on this side of the House and
the members on the other side of the House differ in our
policies.
B.C. Liberals. It is known now for the last 16 years that they
chose to consult with the people, with all sincerity, in the top 2
percent — wealthy people only — and not consult with the people of
British Columbia. That was the record for the 16 years they were in
power. On the other side, we consult with the people of British
Columbia: the working people, small business people, environment lovers,
teachers, students, seniors and people looking for affordable housing
and affordable child care. The list goes on.
[11:30 a.m.]
That’s the stark difference between our policy and their policy
when we talk about consulting people. That’s the difference. It’s very
clear to me, if we look back at the last 16 years, that they have chosen
to listen to only one group of people, and that is the top rich
people.
There would be no housing crisis in B.C. today if they would have
listened to the people of British Columbia at that time. There would be
no money laundering impacting our real estate and drug overdose crisis
if they would have listened to the people — the whistle-blowers and the
experts — at that time. There would be no class-size crisis today in
B.C. schools for our students — particularly in Surrey, the
fastest-growing community in the province — if they would have listened
to the teachers and parents at that time. But they didn’t.
Phase 2 of the Mayors Council plan would have been built a long
time ago, and the SkyTrain in Surrey and the Broadway subway in
Vancouver would be in operation today if they would have listened to the
Mayors Council a long time ago.
They clearly ignored people asking for help on affordability. They
doubled the MSP premium during their 16 years. They put tolls on the
people, particularly of Surrey, on two bridges — the Port Mann Bridge
and the Golden Ears Bridge. They barely gave any increase to minimum
wage and froze the income assistance rate for ten years. That’s the
record of their listening or consultation with the people of the
province. The list goes on.
It is very clear to me and to the people of British Columbia that
they listen to the top 2 percent people of B.C. I would like to give one
example. I know the member will probably know this person very
well.
There’s a person in B.C. known as Bob Rennie. He’s also known as
Vancouver’s Condo King. He was the B.C. Liberal Party’s chief fundraiser
between 2013 and 2017. He helped raise $5 million through private
dinners with the Premier at that time. So when the new foreign buyer tax
was introduced by the previous administration to curb real estate
speculation, for some reason, the new policy specifically exempted
speculation on the presale of condos — Rennie’s core business. People
can put two and two together on this situation.
On the other side, our government is actually listening to the
people of British Columbia. People are at the centre of every choice we
make and that we have made during the last two years of our government,
because our government believes in working for the people of British
Columbia and changing lives for the people of B.C.
We have made three key promises to the people of British Columbia:
to make life more affordable, improve services that people depend on and
build a strong, sustainable economy that supports jobs in every corner
of the province.
S. Cadieux: It never ceases to amaze me how members on the other side are
given to make statements with no basis in reality to try to impugn
members on this side of the House.
Now, the previous speaker — and I’m going to give just one example
— said that we, on this side of the House, only ever cared about or
consulted with the top 2 percent. I’m going to give that member just one
example where he is absolutely wrong.
Interjection.
S. Cadieux: Oh, I could give more, but we only have a few minutes.
Just after the 2013 election, our government embarked on one of
the most comprehensive consultations we’ve seen in quite some time. That
out to thousands upon thousands of people with disabilities, none of
whom I would expect the member would suggest, or very few of whom,
reside in that top 2 percent they like to quote.
[11:35 a.m.]
The reality is that we embarked on a very comprehensive
consultation, over many months, throughout the province of British
Columbia with some of the most marginalized people in our province,
listening to what mattered to them, what was needed to make sure that
they could contribute fully in their society on topics as simple as
voting, on topics as simple as housing.
I am really proud of that consultation. It was so comprehensive,
consultation before the introduction of the Accessible Canada Act, they
modelled their consultation, countrywide, on the consultation that was
done here in B.C. by this side of the House.
Now, that’s not to suggest that the current provincial government
here in British Columbia has not embarked on consultation. They have,
and sometimes I think it’s been meaningful. I believe they are going to
embark on some additional meaningful consultation with the community of
people with disabilities in our province about what needs to be in a
government.
There’s also the misuse of consultations, when consultation is
done for the purposes of evading or delaying. There’s a really good
example of that, by this government, in the ride-hailing consultations
that I was a part of.
The government promised British Columbians ride-hailing by
December 2017. But by December 2017, all that had happened was the
launch of a consultation process, of which I was a part, which made very
reasonable, rational recommendations, of which none were brought forward
in the legislation that followed, only to be followed by yet another
consultation to provide more guidance, to which more very reasonable
recommendations were made.
We have yet to see any regulations come about as a part of that
consultation that follow along from that consultation — consultation
that was broad, consultation that involved all sides of the House and
the experts in the area of transportation and ride-hailing. One can only
surmise that the only purpose to that was, frankly, to delay.
That is not meaningful consultation. Meaningful consultation has a
report-out at minimum. That doesn’t mean we’re always going to agree on
the result, and that when we consult, every person who is heard gets
what they want in the end. That isn’t the purpose. The purpose, though,
should be to come back and explain. If government then takes a different
approach, why? Why did government not do the things that they heard in
the consultation?
That isn’t what we see from this government. We see a government
that moves forward with very little regard to what the public or the
experts are saying and, instead, with what works politically for
themselves in the current climate. Now, I’m not surprised by that. It’s
what governments do often, but we should be looking to do much more
justice to consultation.
J. Rice: This motion is interesting in that it suggests government is not
supporting meaningful consultation and public engagement with British
Columbians. I have to ask which way the B.C. Liberals want it. They’re
always complaining that we consult too much, and now they’re complaining
that we’re not consulting enough. I think some care should be taken here
in that the pot is not calling the kettle black.
For example, when the B.C. Liberals were in government, they
ignored small and rural communities, like the ones I represent, who are
missing out on infrastructure funding. They were treated like big cities
with a large tax base, and they couldn’t afford the share they were
expected to pay.
[11:40 a.m.]
They ignored the affordable housing crisis, leaving communities to
deal with the effects of rising homelessness and tent cities. They
ignored calls for acceptable, affordable child care. They ignored people
asking for help to make their lives more affordable, doubling MSP
premiums, barely increasing the minimum wage and freezing income
assistance rates for ten years.
They refused to recognize the existence of First Nations inherent
rights and instead systematically fought them in court, despite repeated
losses. Instead of listening to us in the northwest and respecting our
values of protecting our coast and standing up for wild salmon, they
rammed unwanted pipelines down our throats, and Christy Clark called
people a “ragtag group of people” for disagreeing with her.
Our government is actually listening to British Columbians. We got
rid of big money in B.C. by banning corporate and union donations so
that you can no longer buy influence with government in this province.
We’re committed to working collaboratively with local governments
throughout B.C. to improve the services people count on and to make life
better for people.
We listened to people across B.C. desperate to find affordable
housing, and we’re already seeing results with our 30-point housing
plan. So far, 20,000 homes have either been announced or already built.
We listened when communities asked for support to tackle the
homelessness crisis, with the creation of the rapid response to
homelessness program. In Prince Rupert, 36 homeless people are off the
streets and are tenants at the Crow’s Nest Lodge, where they receive
wraparound supports 24 hours, seven days a week. The village of Queen
Charlotte will soon open up 19 homes like these, plus four more homes
from our community housing fund.
From our first-of-its-kind Indigenous housing fund, Lax Kw’alaams
First Nation will see 60 homes built off reserve in Prince Rupert for
their members and 20 homes on reserve in Lax Kw’alaams. Skidegate will
see 24 homes built on reserve, and the Heiltsuk will see six homes built
in Bella Bella. We are the first province in Canada to build housing on
reserve. We are doing so because we are listening to British Columbia’s
First Peoples and the dire call for housing in this province.
We listened to people on affordability by moving to eliminate MSP
premiums, which will be one of the biggest middle tax cuts in
B.C.’s history. We’re increasing the minimum wage to $15.20 an hour by
2021, and we raised disability and income assistance rates by $100 a
month on our second day in office. We listened to families by working
towards universal child care, implementing fee reductions and an
affordable child care benefit, which is already saving some families
$19,000 a year. Our universal child care pilot sites are changing
families’ lives.
We listened to Indigenous peoples, and we’re moving forward on
reconciliation, making it a cross-government priority. We moved forward
with sharing gaming revenue with Indigenous communities, something they
had been asking for, for years. We are co-developing historic new
legislation with the First Nations Leadership Council to establish the
UN declaration on the rights of Indigenous peoples as the foundation of
B.C.’s reconciliation work. We’ve achieved the Broughton fish farm
agreement through a historic government-to-government shared
decision-making process, respecting Indigenous rights and supporting our
wild salmon stocks.
We listened when small communities told us they were missing out
on needed infrastructure funding because they couldn’t come up with
their share. For the first time ever, small rural communities will be
able to have 90 to 100 percent of eligible project costs covered by
joint federal-provincial funding. Our new $95 million federal-provincial
rural and northern communities fund addresses the unique infrastructure
needs of communities with populations under 25,000.
We are delivering on projects and services people need, because we
are meaningfully consulting and listening to British
Columbians.
L. Reid: It gives me great pleasure to speak to this very important motion
on supporting meaningful consultation and public engagement with British
Columbians.
As the critic for seniors care, I’m extremely disappointed at the
complete lack of transparency and meaningful consultation in the NDP’s
approach towards seniors care in our province. At a time when British
Columbia is facing an acute shortage of care aides for seniors, the NDP
government, this March, announced its plan to move privately run home
support service into health authorities. It decided to move more than
4,000 care aide jobs from the non-profit and private sector to public
authorities without any consultation with the sector — zero
consultation.
[11:45 a.m.]
Training more aides would help. Moving existing staff around won’t
help the labour shortage. But this is a government that thinks it knows
best. Please let me explain what’s wrong with this plan. Seniors are
looking for an increase in service, but this announcement only achieved
the exact opposite. Our health care system needs innovation, but this
government, sad to say, is reducing the opportunity. It all boils down
to choices for seniors and innovation in the home support system, which
comes from an array of providers. The NDP’s decision would only reduce
choice.
[Mr. Speaker in the chair.]
The NDP announced moving more than 4,000 home support jobs to
public health authorities, made cuts to consumer choice and created
service reductions without any consultation with the sector, just weeks
after the province celebrated home care support workers of Victoria. We
cannot afford a government which makes up policies on the
fly.
The B.C. Care Providers Association is a non-profit representing
the majority of B.C.’s seniors care providers, but it was never
consulted by the NDP government on this change. It has clearly stated
its deep disappointment in the NDP government’s decision. Its CEO,
Daniel Fontaine, said this decision to bring home support service
providers into government-run operations “is fraught with risks and
makes no practical sense, from the standpoint of seniors. These changes
only serve to drive up the cost of the support and complicate the
staffing shortage crisis the sector is facing, without addressing the
needs of B.C. seniors. Furthermore, many of our members tell us their
staff do not want to work for government.”
The B.C. Care Providers Association has been calling for putting
this change on hold and asked the government for a thorough consultation
with the home support sector before making any final decisions. They
even created a website called Hands Off My Home Care, calling on B.C.
seniors and their families to take action to have their voices heard
because neither seniors were consulted.
BCCPA understands about seniors needs. They understand that
vulnerable seniors need to be able to trust whoever comes into their
homes, and they want longer visit times. When the government disrupts
home support service for seniors, it adds stress and uncertainty to
their lives. When the 4,000 workers move jobs, it means, for many
seniors, that they no longer have the same care aide they used to have,
let alone an extension of visit times or types of service. What bothers
me more is not only how this NDP plan failed to adequately consider
4,000 jobs, but it’s really about the Premier’s unwillingness to conduct
meaningful consultation to ensure that seniors receive the care they
need and deserve.
What’s next? Who’s next for the NDP to target? Is it going to take
over all seniors care without any further consultation? They claimed
that this was part of a plan to make things more efficient but never
explained how the appropriation of workers would impact the budget. They
did not provide any detailed business plan to inform the sector families
on how the transition would be carried out, and I asked the Health
Minister repeatedly during estimates. There was no business case made.
Instead, they cooked up this plan behind closed doors. Isn’t this
familiar?
This is why this motion is so important. Had the government
engaged with the sector and the public, they would learn that the
industry is already facing a worker shortage, while the number of
seniors in B.C. is expected to double between 2015 and 2041. The NDP
plan is putting both the future of care aides and the health and
well-being of seniors at risk. Families are already faced with higher
taxes and higher gas prices. The last thing they need from this
government is higher stress levels when struggling to take care of an
elderly loved one. It is time to conduct meaningful consultation and
engagement for the home support service sector and British Columbia
seniors.
R. Glumac: Democracy — it’s something we all value greatly. The word itself
comes from the Greek words demos , which means “people,” and
kratos , which means “rule.” Democracy means “ruled by the
people,” all the people. Elections are just one part of that.
Consultation with people on an ongoing basis is a very important
part of a strong democracy, and that is why our government has made
consultation a key part of what we do. We believe that good ideas come
from everywhere, and people deserve to have a voice. That voice should
be heard. That, of course, doesn’t mean that everybody gets exactly what
they want, but what it means is that the best ideas rise up to the top
and are embraced by a government that wants to listen.
That is why, as a government, we’ve conducted consultation in many
areas — around poverty reduction, environmental assessments,
ticket-scalping, fair wages, wild salmon. The list goes on and
on.
[11:50 a.m.]
Our government is consulting at a higher rate than the previous
B.C. Liberal government, and on a wider variety of topics. This
consultation has directly resulted in informing the legislation that
we’re bringing forward.
Doing consultation in itself is not enough. The previous
government also did consultation. The difference is they didn’t
listen.
I remember when the previous government announced the climate
leadership team back in 2015. I remember reading the 32 recommendations
that followed and being excited about those recommendations, because
they were good recommendations. I remember the disappointment I felt
when the recommendations were completely ignored. Seven of the original
members of the climate leadership team wrote an open letter to the
government, expressing concern over the lack of action. Instead of
following these recommendations, the B.C. Liberals went to Calgary with
representatives from the oil and gas industry to create a very different
plan.
One of the members of that climate leadership team stated that
it’s the government’s responsibility to create good climate policy, and
that: “They abdicated that responsibility by basically asking one
sector, the oil and gas sector, to rewrite the recommendations that were
given to them by their own team of experts.” While the previous
government conducted these consultations, they never listened. They
never listened to the people of British Columbia. They never listened to
the experts that they themselves chose. But they listened to the oil and
gas sector.
It’s interesting that companies like Enbridge and Kinder Morgan
and other companies in the Alberta oil patch donated $4.2 million to the
B.C. Liberals. It is interesting. It’s interesting to think…. We can’t
forget. We have to look back and remember the bucketloads of cash that
were coming from these big companies to the B.C. Liberals and the
previous government. Just a few examples. Imperial Metals donated over
$800,000 to the B.C. Liberals. Imperial Metals received no charges and
no fines following the catastrophic environmental disaster of Mount
Polley. Wesbild donated $700,000 to the B.C. Liberals. They purchased 14
parcels of development land from the government for $43 million below
assessed value.
There were news stories at the time, where 177 of the top donors
donated $55 million to the B.C. Liberal Party. Those same donors
received $15 billion in payouts and contracts and projects from the B.C.
Liberal government. Now, did these donations influence those results? We
don’t know. But what we do know is that our government’s first order of
business, when we came into power, was to end corporate and union
donations.
Our government belongs to the people of this province. We will
continue to listen, we will continue to consult with the people of B.C.,
and we will continue to work towards a better future for all of
us.
J. Thornthwaite: I’m happy to stand in the House supporting meaningful consultation
and public engagement with British Columbians.
The NDP is somewhat of a dichotomy. On the one hand, they can’t
stop consulting, but they never make a decision, like on ride-sharing.
Our B.C. Liberal government had done the work to bring in real
ride-sharing companies like Uber and Lyft by Christmas 2017. We put it
in our platform, and it was ready to go. Unfortunately, we were unable
to make government after the NDP and Greens’ hasty marriage, and even
though both parties put it in their platform, they decided to
stall.
Someone told them that the reason why the Liberals lost votes in
Surrey and Vancouver was because we promised ride-sharing, and the union
taxi lobby wasn’t too pleased with that and got all of their friends and
neighbours to vote against us. Personally, I don’t believe it. But that
was the scuttlebutt.
I think a more realistic explanation is that the NDP chief of
staff, Geoff Meggs — who had committed, when he was a Vancouver
councillor, not to bring in ride-sharing because he was indebted to the
union for donations — was just continuing on that commitment in his new
role as the Premier’s chief of staff.
Assuming the NDP had no real plans to bring in ride-sharing, but
feeling the heat from the public, they decided to strike a committee,
which included the NDP member for North Vancouver–Lonsdale as the Chair,
to study the thing to death, not once but twice. Then it was discovered
that one of the NDP members on that committee, the member for Delta
North, actually had family members in the taxi industry, which, of
course, was either a real or perceived conflict of interest. No matter.
Still no ride-sharing.
[11:55 a.m.]
Then it was discovered that the guy behind the so-called
made-in-B.C. ride-sharing company that the NDP seemed to like, Kater,
was also connected to the NDP via none other than Moe Sihota, who is a
blast from the past to be reckoned with. The whole exercise of the NDP
and ride-sharing is an absolute sham of consultation on steroids, and
we’re still all waiting for ride-sharing.
In other instances, we’ve seen the NDP totally blindsiding entire
sectors with no consultation. My colleagues have already talked about
the forest industry, the caribou recovery plan and then the agriculture
sector, where, apparently, farmers are no longer people in the eyes of
the NDP. It’s obvious they were never consulted, since who on earth
would agree to be demoted as a non-person?
There are other examples of blatant blindsiding and no
consultation. The social services sector low-wage redress. Hollyburn
Family Services on the North Shore and many others are suffering because
the NDP has deemed that only union workers, even those employed in the
same agency as non-union workers, will be given a raise while the people
who work alongside them do not get that raise. It’s unconscionable that
the party that professes to be the party for the people is actually the
party of blatant discrimination.
This is in an industry that is already having a tough time as it
is securing workers. Now this is going to make it much worse. And who
will be hurt? The vulnerable people in our community seeking help from
these social services.
The so-called community benefits agreement that specifies that
only members of the NDP’s 19 favoured unions are allowed to bid on
publicly funded projects. This discriminates against 85 percent of the
construction workers in the province and has already proven to shoot up
the cost of doing the project, like the Trans-Canada Highway near
Revelstoke that will cost 35 percent more than it would without the
CBA.
The B.C. Care Providers, who look after our most vulnerable
seniors, are also sounding the alarm. They too were blindsided. Now
there’s a push for the home care workers to be expropriated into the
health authorities, again to pump up one of the NDP’s favourite unions
or to force non-union employees to actually join a union and be able to
work in their chosen field.
These are just a few examples of how the NDP is either consulting
to death to not make a decision or not consulting at all and blindsiding
total industries to the favour of the NDP’s union buddies but to the
detriment of jobs, the economy and all the people of B.C.
J. Thornthwaite moved adjournment of debate.
Motion approved.
Personal Statements
WITHDRAWAL OF COMMENTS
MADE IN THE
HOUSE
J. Johal: On May 16, during question period, I made comments that offended
some members of the Pakistani community. I recently met with six
different organizations within that community. We had a thoughtful,
respectful conversation.
I wish to withdraw my remarks and apologize.
Hon. J. Darcy moved adjournment of the House.
Motion approved.
Mr. Speaker: This House stands adjourned until 1:30 this afternoon.
The House adjourned at 11:58 a.m.
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