British Columbia Hansard — Thursday, September 15, 2005

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British Columbia — Debates (Hansard)

First Session, 38th Parliament OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY (HANSARD) Thursday, September 15, 2005 Morning Sitting Volume 1, Number 6 THE HONOURABLE BILL BARISOFF, SPEAKER ISSN 0709-1281

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA (Entered Confederation July 20, 1871) LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR Her Honour the Honourable Iona V. Campagnolo, CM, OBC FIRST SESSION, 38TH PARLIAMENT SPEAKER OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Honourable Bill Barisoff EXECUTIVE COUNCIL Premier and President of the Executive Council ............................................................................................................Hon. Gordon Campbell Minister of State for Intergovernmental Relations .......................................................................................................... Hon.

John van Dongen Deputy Premier and Minister of Education and Minister Responsible for Early Learning and Literacy...................... Hon. Shirley Bond Minister of Aboriginal Relations and Reconciliation .......................................................................................................Hon. Tom Christensen Minister of Advanced Education and Minister Responsible for Research and Technology ........................................... Hon.

Murray Coell Minister of Agriculture and Lands.......................................................................................................................................................Hon. Pat Bell Attorney General and Minister Responsible for Multiculturalism............................................................................... Hon. Wally Oppal, QC Minister of Children and Family Development ..........................................................................................................................Hon.

Stan Hagen Minister of State for Childcare ........................................................................................................................................................Hon. Linda Reid Minister of Community Services and Minister Responsible for Seniors’ and Women’s Issues........................................... Hon. Ida Chong Minister of Economic Development and Minister Responsible for the Asia-Pacific Initiative and the Olympics.................Hon.

Colin Hansen Minister of Employment and Income Assistance ...........................................................................................................Hon. Claude Richmond Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources .......................................................................................................Hon. Richard Neufeld Minister of State for Mining............................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Bill Bennett Minister of Environment and Minister Responsible for Water Stewardship and Sustainable Communities ...............Hon. Barry Penner Minister of Finance.......................................................................................................................................................................Hon. Carole Taylor Minister of Forests and Range and Minister Responsible for Housing ............................................................................. Hon.

Rich Coleman Minister of Health ......................................................................................................................................................................Hon. George Abbott Minister of Labour and Citizens’ Services .......................................................................................................................... Hon. Michael de Jong Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General................................................................................................................................Hon.

John Les Minister of Small Business and Revenue and Minister Responsible for Deregulation ...................................................... Hon. Rick Thorpe Minister of Tourism, Sports and the Arts........................................................................................................................................Hon. Olga Ilich Minister of Transportation...........................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Kevin Falcon LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Leader of the Official Opposition .........................................................................................................................................................Carole James Deputy Speaker ....................................................................................................................................................................................Sindi Hawkins Assistant Deputy Speaker.....................................................................................................................................................................Sue Hammell Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole.................................................................................................................................................

Harry Bloy Clerk of the Legislative Assembly .........................................................................................................................E. George MacMinn, OBC, QC Clerk Assistant.........................................................................................................................................................................................Robert Vaive Clerk Assistant and Law Clerk .......................................................................................................................................................Ian D.

Izard, QC Clerk Assistant and Clerk of Committees ....................................................................................................................................... Craig H. James Clerk Assistant and Committee Clerk ..........................................................................................................................................Kate Ryan-Lloyd Sergeant-at-Arms............................................................................................................................................................................. A.A.

Humphreys Director, Hansard Services ..................................................................................................................................................Anthony Dambrauskas Legislative Librarian ..................................................................................................................................................................................Jane Taylor Acting Legislative Comptroller..................................................................................................................................................Brent Cunningham

Party Standings: Liberal 46; New Democratic: 33 ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS Abbott, Hon. George (L) ..........................................................................Shuswap Austin, Robin (NDP)...................................................................................Skeena Bains, Harry (NDP)....................................................................... Surrey-Newton Barisoff, Hon. Bill (L)...............................................Penticton–Okanagan Valley Bell, Hon. Pat (L) ..................................................................Prince George North Bennett, Hon.

Bill (L) .....................................................................East Kootenay Black, Iain (L) ..................................................................Port Moody–Westwood Bloy, Harry (L).....................................................................................Burquitlam Bond, Hon. Shirley (L).......................................... Prince George–Mount Robson Brar, Jagrup (NDP)..........................................................Surrey–Panorama Ridge Campbell, Hon. Gordon (L) ..............................................

Vancouver–Point Grey Cantelon, Ron (L)................................................................... Nanaimo-Parksville Chong, Hon. Ida (L) ......................................................... Oak Bay–Gordon Head Chouhan, Raj (NDP) ................................................................Burnaby-Edmonds Christensen, Hon. Tom (L) ...................................................... Okanagan-Vernon Chudnovsky, Dave (NDP).................................................Vancouver-Kensington Coell, Hon. Murray (L) ..........................................Saanich North and the Islands Coleman, Hon.

Rich (L)................................................Fort Langley–Aldergrove Conroy, Katrine (NDP) ............................................... West Kootenay–Boundary Coons, Gary (NDP) .............................................................................North Coast Cubberley, David (NDP)................................................................. Saanich South de Jong, Hon.

Michael (L) ........................................Abbotsford–Mount Lehman Dix, Adrian (NDP) ..............................................................Vancouver-Kingsway Evans, Corky (NDP)......................................................................Nelson-Creston Falcon, Hon. Kevin (L) ............................................................

Surrey-Cloverdale Farnworth, Mike (NDP) ....................................Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain Fleming, Rob (NDP) ...................................................................Victoria-Hillside Fraser, Scott (NDP) ...................................................................Alberni-Qualicum Gentner, Guy (NDP)............................................................................ Delta North Hagen, Hon. Stan (L) ......................................................................Comox Valley Hammell, Sue (NDP) ........................................................

Surrey–Green Timbers Hansen, Hon. Colin (L) .......................................................Vancouver-Quilchena Hawes, Randy (L)............................................................... Maple Ridge–Mission Hawkins, Sindi (L) .................................................................... Kelowna-Mission Hayer, Dave S. (L) ..................................................................... Surrey-Tynehead Hogg, Gordon (L)................................................................... Surrey–White Rock Horgan, John (NDP)...........................................................

Malahat–Juan de Fuca Horning, Al (L)................................................................ Kelowna–Lake Country Ilich, Hon. Olga (L)....................................................................Richmond Centre James, Carole (NDP)............................................................Victoria–Beacon Hill Jarvis, Daniel (L)........................................................North Vancouver–Seymour Karagianis, Maurine (NDP) .................................................Esquimalt-Metchosin Krog, Leonard (NDP)..............................................................................

Nanaimo Krueger, Kevin (L)................................................... Kamloops–North Thompson Kwan, Jenny Wai Ching (NDP)................................ Vancouver–Mount Pleasant Lali, Harry (NDP)..............................................................................Yale-Lillooet Lee, Richard T. (L).........................................................................Burnaby North Lekstrom, Blair (L)................................................................... Peace River South Les, Hon. John (L)....................................................................

Chilliwack-Sumas Macdonald, Norm (NDP)......................................... Columbia River–Revelstoke MacKay, Dennis (L)......................................................... Bulkley Valley–Stikine Mayencourt, Lorne (L)............................................................Vancouver-Burrard McIntyre, Joan (L)...................................................... West Vancouver–Garibaldi Neufeld, Hon. Richard (L) ....................................................... Peace River North Nuraney, John (L)..................................................................Burnaby-Willingdon Oppal, Hon.

Wally, QC (L)............................................... Vancouver-Fraserview Penner, Hon. Barry (L)................................................................ Chilliwack-Kent Polak, Mary (L) ......................................................................................... Langley Puchmayr, Chuck (NDP)........................................................... New Westminster Ralston, Bruce (NDP) ...................................................................Surrey-Whalley Reid, Hon. Linda (L) ..................................................................... Richmond East Richmond, Hon.

Claude (L)...................................................................Kamloops Robertson, Gregor (NDP) .....................................................Vancouver-Fairview Roddick, Valerie (L)............................................................................ Delta South Routley, Doug (NDP).......................................................... Cowichan-Ladysmith Rustad, John (L) ..............................................................Prince George–Omineca Sather, Michael (NDP)..............................................

Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows Simons, Nicholas (NDP) ........................................ Powell River–Sunshine Coast Simpson, Bob (NDP).......................................................................Cariboo North Simpson, Shane (NDP) ......................................................... Vancouver-Hastings Sultan, Ralph (L) .........................................................West Vancouver–Capilano Taylor, Hon. Carole (L)..........................................................

Vancouver-Langara Thorne, Diane (NDP) ......................................................Coquitlam-Maillardville Thorpe, Hon. Rick (L)............................................................Okanagan-Westside Trevena, Claire (NDP) .......................................................................North Island van Dongen, Hon. John (L)..................................................Abbotsford-Clayburn Whittred, Katherine (L).............................................

North Vancouver–Lonsdale Wyse, Charlie (NDP) ......................................................................Cariboo South Yap, John (L)........................................................................Richmond-Steveston LIST OF MEMBERS BY RIDING Abbotsford-Clayburn ........................................................ Hon. John van Dongen Abbotsford–Mount Lehman................................................Hon. Michael de Jong Alberni-Qualicum ...............................................................................

Scott Fraser Bulkley Valley–Stikine ................................................................ Dennis MacKay Burnaby North................................................................................ Richard T. Lee Burnaby-Edmonds............................................................................. Raj Chouhan Burnaby-Willingdon ........................................................................John Nuraney Burquitlam............................................................................................

Harry Bloy Cariboo North....................................................................................Bob Simpson Cariboo South................................................................................... Charlie Wyse Chilliwack-Kent ....................................................................... Hon. Barry Penner Chilliwack-Sumas ........................................................................... Hon.

John Les Columbia River–Revelstoke ......................................................Norm Macdonald Comox Valley .............................................................................Hon. Stan Hagen Coquitlam-Maillardville................................................................... Diane Thorne Cowichan-Ladysmith .......................................................................Doug Routley Delta North........................................................................................

Guy Gentner Delta South...................................................................................Valerie Roddick East Kootenay ............................................................................Hon. Bill Bennett Esquimalt-Metchosin ............................................................. Maurine Karagianis Fort Langley–Aldergrove....................................................... Hon. Rich Coleman Kamloops ......................................................................... Hon. Claude Richmond Kamloops–North Thompson..........................................................

Kevin Krueger Kelowna–Lake Country .......................................................................Al Horning Kelowna-Mission ............................................................................Sindi Hawkins Langley................................................................................................

Mary Polak Malahat–Juan de Fuca........................................................................John Horgan Maple Ridge–Mission ......................................................................Randy Hawes Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows...........................................................Michael Sather Nanaimo ...........................................................................................Leonard Krog Nanaimo-Parksville..........................................................................

Ron Cantelon Nelson-Creston.................................................................................. Corky Evans New Westminster ........................................................................Chuck Puchmayr North Coast .........................................................................................Gary Coons North Island.................................................................................... Claire Trevena North Vancouver–Lonsdale ....................................................

Katherine Whittred North Vancouver–Seymour .............................................................. Daniel Jarvis Oak Bay–Gordon Head.................................................................Hon. Ida Chong Okanagan-Vernon ..............................................................Hon. Tom Christensen Okanagan-Westside................................................................... Hon. Rick Thorpe Peace River North ...............................................................Hon.

Richard Neufeld Peace River South ..........................................................................Blair Lekstrom Penticton–Okanagan Valley...................................................... Hon. Bill Barisoff Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain................................................. Mike Farnworth Port Moody–Westwood .........................................................................Iain Black Powell River–Sunshine Coast.....................................................Nicholas Simons Prince George North .........................................................................Hon.

Pat Bell Prince George–Mount Robson................................................. Hon. Shirley Bond Prince George–Omineca .....................................................................John Rustad Richmond Centre .......................................................................... Hon. Olga Ilich Richmond East ............................................................................ Hon. Linda Reid Richmond-Steveston ............................................................................... John Yap Saanich North and the Islands..................................................Hon.

Murray Coell Saanich South..............................................................................David Cubberley Shuswap ................................................................................ Hon. George Abbott Skeena ...............................................................................................Robin Austin Surrey-Cloverdale ....................................................................Hon. Kevin Falcon Surrey–Green Timbers.....................................................................

Sue Hammell Surrey-Newton ....................................................................................Harry Bains Surrey–Panorama Ridge...................................................................... Jagrup Brar Surrey-Tynehead .............................................................................Dave S. Hayer Surrey-Whalley ............................................................................... Bruce Ralston Surrey–White Rock..........................................................................

Gordon Hogg Vancouver-Burrard .................................................................. Lorne Mayencourt Vancouver-Fairview.................................................................. Gregor Robertson Vancouver-Fraserview ...................................................... Hon. Wally Oppal, QC Vancouver-Hastings...................................................................... Shane Simpson Vancouver-Kensington ........................................................... David Chudnovsky Vancouver-Kingsway...........................................................................

Adrian Dix Vancouver-Langara.................................................................Hon. Carole Taylor Vancouver–Mount Pleasant .............................................Jenny Wai Ching Kwan Vancouver–Point Grey..................................................... Hon. Gordon Campbell Vancouver-Quilchena ............................................................. Hon. Colin Hansen Victoria–Beacon Hill ........................................................................Carole James Victoria-Hillside................................................................................

Rob Fleming West Kootenay–Boundary ............................................................ Katrine Conroy West Vancouver–Capilano ............................................................... Ralph Sultan West Vancouver–Garibaldi............................................................. Joan McIntyre Yale-Lillooet ..........................................................................................Harry Lali

CONTENTS Thursday, September 15, 2005 Morning Sitting Routine Proceedings Page Budget Debate (continued)............................................................................................................................... ............................ 77 J. Kwan Hon. P. Bell H. Lali Hon. R. Thorpe

77 THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 The House met at 10:05 a.m. Prayers. Orders of the Day Hon. M. de Jong: I call continued debate on the budget. Budget Debate (continued) J. Kwan: Yesterday I outlined the opposition's first response to the minister's new budget, the budget up- date, before adjourning debate. I would now like to continue with some more remarks about the details of the budget. Yesterday I asked a question: does government have the message sent to them during the election? We have to remember that this is the first budget tabled after the election.

The voters, I think, were clear in the message they wanted to send to the government. They wanted change from this government, not the status quo. The minister's budget update was the government's first opportunity to prove that the message the voters sent would be listened to and respected. Unfortunately, I have to say that the voters of B.C. got a status quo budget from this governme nt. Yes, there were some new additions, little tidbits he re and there, but it is for the most part the same budget that was tabled in Feb- ruary, which this government did not allow the oppo- sition to debate line by line.

Where there are differences and new commitments, let me be very clear that they do not begin to add up for all the cuts this government had imposed in the last four years. Let me just take seniors, for example. The minister claims that seniors are at the heart of this budget. Why? Because the government finally decided to give back some of the things it took away. Let me just say I'm not sure what kind of heart it is when the government gave only a small portion of what they took away four years ago. Seniors are still struggling with Pharmacare costs.

Seniors are still trying to figure out how they're going to make ends meet. They're still trying to figure out if they 're going to put food on the table or buy the medication they so desperately need. I heard in the last four years as I toured the prov- ince…. Seniors told me they had to go to food banks for the first time in their lives, because of the cuts this gov- ernment made. Seniors told me that they could not afford to get food on the table and that they were scrounging to scrape together to feed themselves.

Sen- iors told me this government took away from them the services to help them live independently. Home care support. During the campaign trail I was on in my own riding, there was a senior I spoke with, and I could not believe my ears. Here's what she told me. She had just come out of surgery — the second surgery she had suffered — and in the first week she was back from the hospital, her home care support was reduced by half. That's what this government has done in the last four years. Now the government wants to say: "Oh, but hey, we really have heart.

We really care, and we're socially conscious because we gave back in this new budget after the election some of the things we took away from seniors." You know what, Mr. Speaker? It's not good enough. It's simply not good enough. [1010] When we look at the new items around first nations and a new relationship, it's another example of the government trying to cover up the last four years.

They're trying to shift the de bate, trying to get British Columbians, I think, to forget that they — this gov- ernment, this very same Premier and many of the gov- ernment MLAs — were the ones that endorsed and went out with the referendum on minority rights, on aboriginal rights, allowing for the majority to vote on minority rights. Can you imagine? Then, in that process, the gov- ernment took away a fundam ental piece of aboriginal rights: the right to self-govern. Was there anything there in the throne speech or the budget speech that dealt with that? No. Now, don't get me wrong, Mr. Speaker.

I applaud the government's new commitment to deliver a better relationship with B.C.'s ma ny first nations, the first people of this province. I do not dispute that at all, but I have to say, and we have to remember, that it was this government that forced B.C. into a divisive and hurtful referendum in 2002. This government has a lot of work ahead of it to make up for that decision. The new funding for first nations is welcome, but as I said yesterday, the gov- ernment must make sure this commitment is more than a one-time injection of funds.

If we want to move for- ward to ensure that the healing process has opportuni- ties to succeed, government must make sure it builds on this commitment every si ngle year. Our MLAs on this side of the House and the leader of the NDP will be there to pressure the government and hold it to ac- count every step of the way.

There is nothing more fundamental in the hearts and minds and souls of many of us than to address the fundamental issue of fairne ss and to begin the healing process in such a way that we give hope to those who have suffered not because of their own fault but be- cause of someone else imposing decisions on them that destroyed communities. Thank goodness for the aboriginal communities' resilience, I might say, for they still exist today, and they continue the fight. Their cultures continue to exist, and their languages continue to exist. Thank goodness they never gave up.

In spite of how they were treated over the many years through many different admini- strations, they persist to survive another day so that they could be here. Let us make sure this government delivers on the fancy words they have said in the throne speech. The

78 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 budget is a small piece in this beginning, but let us be very clear: it cannot and must not be the end. The only other new commitment that was made yesterday was around tax incentives — tax incentives for the biotech industry and life sciences industry, and a corporate tax cut. Let me just say this. I know that since I had my daughter, I've lost many nights of sleep, and some things I forget. I will readily admit that. My memory….

Maybe it's an age thing too, although I'm just going to attribute it to my daughter for the mo- ment, because she's not here to tell me: "That's not true, Mom." Let me just say this. Something I don't remember being featured in the Liberal platform….

The Minister of Finance and the government clearly made a choice in this new post-election budget — an across-the-board tax cut worth millions of dollars over essential priori- ties like health care and education. [1015] During the campaign, our platform supported the use of targeted tax cuts in industries to stimulate cer- tain sectors, like the film industry, and I will say the NDP administration actually started that approach. We want to grow our economy. We want to be innovative, and we want to get in there for a piece of the pie. Make no mistake about that.

Our leader has been very clear right from the get-go that that's important. The small business community sector. They're equally important. They should get relief when we can afford it and when it is needed.

Having said that, I have to ask the question: why is a broad corporate tax cut the first priority for this government in this first post-election budget when emergency rooms are over- crowded, students cannot afford to go to school, par- ents' pockets are being picked, they are having to pay extra fees — that I might add are actually illegal — and communities are wondering what will happen once the pine beetle is done with their forests? There are priorities that British Columbians wanted the government to address during the election, but instead, the government has chosen more for relief for corporate industry.

They get some relief, I say — some British Columbians — but I have to ask this question: is the average British Columbian who is struggling with increased energy costs getting anything from this gov- ernment, from this budget? No. Not a penny. Not a cent. Seniors are going to be hurt. When the winter months are looming, the heating bills are going to go up. Where will the seniors get the kind of relief they deserve? As the Minister of Finance admitted yester- day, seniors are the people who built this province. Giving them a pittance back on the seniors supplement does not do it.

It doesn't even begin to cover what they lost in the last four years. Increased costs are loomin g. Heating bills are going to go up. Average citizens are not getting any relief, and the Minister of Transpor tation seems to be very happy about that. He's waving. He's giving a thumbs- up. Maybe he's very happy that those seniors and the children, who are going to be cold and hungry this winter…. Maybe the minister feels good about that. But y o u k n o w w h a t ? O n t h i s s i d e o f t h e H o u s e , w e c a r e about people. We care about the average person.

The campaign in the elec tion was about caring for the people who are in greatest need. It was a campaign on trust. The government, the Premier and the Minister of Finance claim they heard that message. Well, let me say this: where is it in this budget to show they really heard the message? That they actually care about the average British Columbian ou t there? That they actu- ally want to make a difference in the everyday life of the average person in the streets? There was very little, Mr. Speaker, and I'm very sad to say that. I was hoping for change.

I was hoping that the people in Vancouver–Mount Pleasant, the poorest neighbourhood in all of Canada, would actually get some relief. I'm sad to say I didn't see anything there in this budget that would really help them. I'm really sad to say that. Let me just say this. Terasen Gas, soon to be Kinder Morgan, is asking for an additional rate hike. Just think about that for one moment. The government has got to be aware of that, but where is it in the budget that sends a signal to British Columbians that the govern- ment cares, that they've heard and that, most impor- tantly, they're going to respond?

The Minister of Fi- nance has decided that indi viduals will not get any benefits from the government's energy windfall but that the corporate sector will . That's the priority this government made, and I think a lot of British Columbi- ans will be very disappointed with the decision. [1020] I want to focus back on seniors, because they were the heart of the budget. Th ey're supposed to be the heart of the budget. They got what this government once took away, but they're still waiting for this gov- ernment to fulfil its commitment on long-term care beds.

The corporate tax cut is worth $71 million this year and $143 million in 2006-2007 and 2007-2008. Here's something for members to think about. The tax cut is worth more to this government than the total new funding for seniors. That includes the seniors supple- ment, the extra funding for SAFER grants and the added dollars for long-term care, assisted living and home care. That's the priority of this government. Maybe that's where their real heart is, not really caring for the people who need it the most; not really caring for the people who built this province, as the Minister of Finance has claimed.

The budget is about prio rities. The opposition cam- paigned on a balanced budget that supported the economy and supported our social and environmental systems. The public wants that balanced approach, and there are many things this government missed that could have moved B.C. forward and brought balance back to British Columbia: things like health care, edu- cation, child protection, pine beetle response and skills training. I want to talk abou t those things for just a few moments here today.

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 79 Health care, perhaps one of the number one priori- ties during the election campaign. One would have thought that with all the issues around Surrey Memo- rial — with patients having to be sent home when they needed an emergency bed and not getting access to one, and then tragedy happe ning when someone's life is lost because of that…. You would think the govern- ment would have figured that one out and would have brought in new moneys to address the critical need. [S. Hawkins in the chair.] Guess what? No new moneys to deal with surgical wait-lists.

No new moneys for Surrey Memorial. No new moneys in the crisis that this government has cre- ated around long-term care senior beds. How could that be? I fail to understand: exactly what message did this government hear? Maybe they were too busy kay- aking during the election ca mpaign and missed it all. I find it shocking. Let me just put some facts on the table around sur- gery wait-lists. Despite the ministry's new website, surgery wait-lists and wait times have not decreased. Wait-lists continue to grow, and British Columbians continue to wait several weeks. In some instances, wait-lists are even going up.

The solution, and there is a solution…. During the election, we suggested that $75 million be targeted to reducing wait-lists for surgery and diagnostic proce- dures. Why wasn't that in the budget if the government really wants to ensure that wait-lists begin to go down? Long-term care beds: $150 million over two years for assisted living, supportive housing and long-term care beds — $75 million in '05-06 and $75 million in '06-07.

The Liberals are promising 5,000 new long-term care beds by the end of 2008 and 2,700 by the end of 2006. [1025] In their last term they promised 5,000 new long- term care beds and didn't deliver on those beds. So now I ask the question: what's changed? They said they heard the message. They said they were going to de- liver on those promises. What's changed? Well, let me say this. The lack of long-term care beds is overcrowding our hospitals, and as a result, wait-lists are not getting an y relief. In fact, they are growing.

I'll give you one example; 13 percent of the 909 beds in Victoria's hospitals are getting filled by seniors waiting for long-term care. Where is the gov- ernment's priority? Where is the Health Minister? Why aren't they at the table advocating for more long-term care beds so that we could free up the room in the hos- pitals, so that we can deal with those surgical wait- lists? Nowhere — nowhere in this budget. After months and months of problems at the Surrey ER, New Democrats called for action in the House.

My colleague from Surrey–Panorama Ridge, after the by- election, was first in the House raising these issues, and he got some action. Finally, I have to say that the Premier then went out to Surrey to take a look during the election. During the election he thought: hmm, I'd better show that I really care. So he went out during the election.

But instead of taking immediate action, he asked for yet another re- view of the hospital situation — this despite the fact that the Fraser health region and the Surrey Memorial Hospital Foundation know exactly what is needed and what needs to be done, and they have voiced that loud and clear to the government. You would have thought that the government and the Premier and the Minister of Finance, who shadowed the Premier every step of the way during the campaign…. There was no photo op where the now Minister of Finance wasn't behind the Premier. You would have thought that they heard the message. Not so.

Surrey is Canada's fastest-growing city. When the hospital opened in 1959, it served 75,000 people. Today over 500,000 people depend on Surrey Memorial Hos- pital. Why didn't this budget have the dollars ear- marked for Surrey Memorial? I remember that in previous budgets and throne speeches, the government talked about the heartlands. There was not a day that went by, after that speech, where the word "heartlands" didn't appear somewhere, until it became apparent that the government had for- gotten what exactly that me ant. Heartlands then dis- appeared.

I hope it's not the case, because the word "heart" seems to somehow resonate with the govern- ment bench. It appeared wi th the heartlands analogy: "Now seniors are the heart of things." I hope it doesn't mean that the government is following exactly the same track that they went down with the heartlands strategy where seniors, at the heart of this budget, will just simply be forgotten. I hope that's not the case. Let me just focus on our communities in the inte- rior, across the province, on a critical issue.

I don't re- member, since I've been elected, that we have ever had a situation quite like this — the pine beetle epidemic. It is impacting our communities across the province, and it definitely would have huge ramifications for our economy across the province. More than that, it would impact individual families in a significant way. This has been going on for some time, hon. Speaker. [1030] I went to look in the budget to see what the gov- ernment was going to do around this issue.

Is it a prior- ity for them to address th ose communities that they conveniently said they weren't going to forget and highlighted but then turn ed around and forgot? There's no new provincial funding around this issue. The provincial spending is the least amount in the years that the epidemic is projected to peak. The Liberals are supposed to be competent — com- petent management, competent managers. They're supposed to be the people who, they say, have a vision. They're forward-thinking. Th ey do these three-year plans, ten-year plans, 20-year plans and so on.

How could it be that in the year s when the epidemic is to peak, this government is not taking any action? Thank goodness for the federal government. The federal government is going to come in and bail them out with $100 million in one-time funding spread over three years. But you know what? As our critic has al-

80 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 ready highlighted, there are still no clear plans for the federal government aid package — w h a t t h i s g o v e r n - ment is going to do with it. Not only is there lack of commitment from the provincial side, but they actually don't know what they're going to do with the federal aid. Maybe this government will want to talk about it some more, but communities who see this going on in their neighbourhoods — communities that see this happening and see the crisis looming over them — want to know what the government's vision is.

They want to know what the game plan is, and they want to be in on the game plan. This government should have taken up the NDP's proposal to strike a bipartisan committee to bring people together — experts in the field — so that we can put our heads together and think about how we can best deal with this and act on it. The government refused that committee. I was shocked that in th e delivery of the budget speech there was nothing, no committees, on the for- estry sector. How could that be when we have perhaps one of the most significant epidemics that's going to hit our industries?

How could it be that the government has just forgotten? Now, practical solutions from the NDP. We pro- posed a mountain pine beetle fund, a trust fund for communities that get hit hard b y t h i s i s s u e , t o h e l p them transition during the after-effects of the epidemic. That would have given some communities and fami- lies, I think, some comfort. Was there anything in the budget around that? No. We have routinely called for an all-party, non- partisan committee. As I mentioned, the government j u s t s t e p p e d o v e r t h a t a s w e l l .

H e r e ' s t h e g o v e r n m e n t that says it truly wants to have a new beginning and that we're going to work together to address the con- cerns of British Columbians. On this issue they've cer- tainly failed to act on that promise. Let me turn to child protection for a moment. I re- call when the Premier was on this side of the House, and he railed against the then government about not protecting the most vulnerable people in our communi- ties — namely, children who need protection.

The now Premier said, when he was in opposition, that we needed to invest in children, that we needed to ensure that the resources are there to meet their needs. Funny how things are, because that was then, and this is now. Let's see what is going on now. [1035] In this budget I looked to see whether or not there are new moneys to protect children at risk. I'm sad to say, Madam Speaker, that the Minister of Children and Family Development has been plagued by heartless cuts that led to chaos in the ministry. Children have been put further at risk.

Unfortunately, with this budget this government ha s shown that they have learned nothing. They have learned nothing, and they did not hear the message, nor are they going to honour the words that they spoke. The issue is about trust. The campaign was about trust. How could British Columbians trust this Premier and this government that th e most vulnerable people in our society are taken care of, that children who need protection would have the re sources they need so that we know and have the comfort in knowing they are safe? We cannot, with this budget.

There's nothing in the sp eech, I was dismayed to find, to deal with the is sue around an independent children's commissioner. So me will say, and the gov- ernment will say: "Yeah, well, you're in the opposition. You will talk about how we're not doing all sorts of things." Well, then let the independent children's com- missioner speak — if there were one. The NDP, not just to criticize, actually have sugges- tions in this regard. During the election we proposed an additional $30 million to be put back in the ministry as a first step.

We also proposed to restore the inde- pendent children's commissioner so that we can have an independent eye watching the system and to make sure that it is doing its job and that children who are at risk are being taken care of. Let me turn to another area: skills training.

With all of the language the very able Minister of Finance has said around concerns with capital cost spending, I would have thought that it's not a big leap to go from there to making sure there are investments in skills training for this province to ensure that some of those capital costs actually come down because of labour shortage demands, to ensure that the Olympics, which is going to be huge in term s of commitments from this province because…. I will remind everybody in this House that the prov- ince has indemnified the city of Vancouver, the munici- palities, from risks around the Olympics.

So I would have thought that there would have been some measure to actually move in that direction to make sure we ad- dressed the issue around skil ls training. I look to the budget, and what do I find? Nothing. No new moneys for skills training, despite how British Columbia is going to be faced with a massive skills shortage. The industry training bu dget is frozen, and the government is spending $10 million a year less on skills training than they spent in 2001, despite the growing shortage. There's forward thinking for you. There's vision for you. Not.

British Columbia is in the midst of a growing skills shortage. Retiring workers combined with technological change and major pro- jects are contributing to this growing shortage. One would have thought that the government would have taken the opportunity to act on that and to signal that they know this is a major issue impacting our commu- nities and that they will be dealing with it. [1040] I should also just put this fact on the record. The problem is not getting better. In fact, the problem is getting worse. There are now 44 percent fewer British Columbians completing apprenticeship programs than in 2001.

You will hear the government say: "Oh, we invested in apprenticeship, an d everything is just fine and hunky-dory." Guess what. Not. If you look at the facts and you see the truth, the truth of the matter is that there are 44 percent fewer British Columbians

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 81 completing apprenticeship programs than in 2001. There's nothing in this budg et to address that, and the problem is going to get worse and worse under this government. The independent Economic Forecast Council and the Business Council of British Columbia have both identified the skill shortage as a major risk to B.C.'s economy. Did the government listen not just to the opposition — not just to us — but did the government listen to their friends? No, they didn't. And that, I find shocking — even more shocking.

Practical solutions, not just to hammer the government, but to offer solu- tions where it could actually address these issues…. The NDP have solutions. We propose to immedi- ately invest more resources in skills training and in supports for students, so that they could actually com- plete their programs. We're proposing to work with employers to encourage them to take on apprentices and to make it easier for them to do so. Now, you would have thought that those would have been priorities for the government, because it deals with the economy. But instead, what was a prior- ity that I found in the budget ?

And I didn't hear British Columbians call for this during the campaign — the priority for this government centred around the Pre- mier's budget. Lo and behold — small little line item, I might add — but the Premier's budg et went up in this little mini-budget, where a few other priority areas like health care, education, children's protection, skills shortage, apprenticeship, post-secondary education, pine beetle and so on got little. But guess what. The Prem ier's budget went up some 30 percent. So I guess they figure they need more spin doctors. They are worri ed.

I read it somewhere in the press; they are quite wo rried with 33 MLAs on the opposition side. What to do? Oh, better hire more spin doctors, because we can't let the NDP hold us to ac- count. No, no, cannot do that. But we can't do it with the huge resources we already have. Let's add to that. That's priority number one, and that's what we got in this budget from this government. You think that we'll hear the Minister of Finance talk about that? Not on your life, because the heart is with seniors, but the cash is with the Premier. That's where it's going.

There are a lot of choices that this government and this Minister of Finance could have made to make life better for average British Columbians. The fact is that they chose not to. They chose to betray the trust of Brit- ish Columbians once again. It's a new beginning, and it's a new start after the election. This is the first budget post-election. People were looking for change. They were looking for those signals that the government actually heard British Columbians, the way in which they were dealt with in the last four years. They did not want to have a repeat performance.

People were looking to this government to show that they really care abou t the most vulnerable. Fancy words are good. It's all well and good, and it was there, let me tell you. It was there in the throne speech. It was there in the budget speech, and they said it all very nicely. It was delivered almost without a fault. But you know what? You've got to look beyond the words, and you've got to look at the details to see whether or not the actions that this government's going to do are actu- ally going to be matched with the words. Based on the budget, the commitments are not there.

It shows mis- placed priorities from this government, and sadly, those who were left behind in the last four years are still going to be left behind because of the priorities this government chose. [1045] The government has a lot to answer for since 2001. I say this with sincerity. With a stronger opposition, we will work hard to ensure that we put questions, and tough questions, to the government, and we expect answers. Gone are the days when the government could just shut down debate. Gone are the days when the government could just roll over a few opposition MLAs — three, to be exact, prior to the election.

Gone are the days that government could think they could just walk away and continue to betray British Colum- bians on promises they had made. We are going to be there every step of the way, and we are going to hold the government to account. When promises are made, we expect those promises to be delivered. When government misplaces its priorities in key areas, we will be there to point out where the gov- ernment's missteps are. We will be there to offer solutions as well.

We'll continue to extend a hand, under the leadership of our leader, to the government side to say: "Let's work to- gether in a bipartisan way. Let's work together so that we make sure we come up with the best solutions for all British Columbians." We will continue to work in the direction of our leader, where we know…. It is at the heart of the prac- tice of our leader — that is, reaching out to build con- sensus rather than to be confrontational and to divide. This is what this government has done in their first opportunity to show that they learned a lesson instead of picking winners and losers.

They chose once again to engage in that practice to pick winners and losers, and it's not good enough. It is simply not good enough. This session is going to be exciting. There's going to be a lot of debate, a lot of questions. And you know what? We hope — and I hope, with all sincerity — that the ministers will be prepared to give us a lot of an- swers. I remain and will continue to reach out, along with my colleagues, to all the government MLAs to offer our solutions and our goodwill to work with them. We hope that the government will respond. Hon. P.

Bell: It's a real pleasure for me today to present, I believe, my sixth response to the budget speech. I'd like to start out by welcoming all new members to the House. It is a real challenge, I think, for anyone to put their name forward for an election in any office — whether it be provincial, federal, municipal or school board. Certainly, it's a great opportunity for us to welcome all new incoming members, both opposi- tion and government members alike.

82 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 I'd also like to congratulate all of the folks that stood for re-election and were successful in their re- election efforts. I'm not always sure why we do that. In fact, I note that some of th e colleagues on the opposite side actually wanted to come back for a little bit more pain and punishment in this wonderful House we live in here. But certainly, welcome back to all those members who were members previously and chose to run again.

I'd really like to congratulate the people of British Columbia, because something historic happened on May 17, 2005, that has not occurred for over 20 years in the province. That is that the people chose to re-elect a Premier of British Columbia for the first time in a long time. That is historic. [1050] You know, Madam Speaker, I think it's important for us to look back at all the people who make significant sacrifices for all the members of this House. I'm speak- ing, of course, of our families. It's a huge commitment, as everyone….

If you don't know that yet, you're certainly going to know that in a very short period of time. To be a member from Cariboo South or a member from Cari- b o o N o r t h a n d h a v e t o t r a v e l d o w n t o V i c t o r i a e v e r y week and represent their constituents in this House…. It is incredibly challenging work. There will be very great days in this House. There will be criticism. But at the end of the day we're all working for the same objective, and that is to make British Columbia a better place. I think everyone understands that. For me, I wouldn't be here without the support of my wife Brenda.

She's been incredibly committed as have, I know, all of the spouses of our members. The member for Prince George–Mount Robson and I have b e e n g o o d f r i e n d s f o r f o u r y e a r s , a n d I k n o w b o t h m y wife and her husband tend to probably spend more time together than we get to with our respective spouses. I know that all of the members will find that over time, our spouses make an incr edible effort to allow us to go through this challenging period of time.

But it is a real opportunity, and I think we need to congratulate all of our spouses, regardless of the political party that we come from, and thank them for the work that they do. That holds true for all of our families. We've all got children. I understand that the member for Yale- Lillooet, in his four-year absence, was able to find the opportunity to have another child. Congratulations to that member. It's good to know that he hasn't forgotten how to do that in the period of time. Again, all of our kids are very important to us. I think it's incumbent on all of us to remember….

And I certainly never forget about my three children — Donna, Diana and Doug; the three Ds as we refer to them. I'm happy to be able to inform the House that our oldest daughter Donna is going to be getting mar- ried on December 31 this year, so it's a great day for us as well. I know all of us, in order to get to this chamber, have a huge team behind us. I heard some comments from the member for Nels on-Creston about the hun- dreds and hundreds of people in the support structure.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention some of the key players on my campaign team: both Jim Blake and Terry Kuzma, who co-chaired my campaign and com- mitted literally hundreds an d hundreds, if not thou- sands, of hours to the campaign. I wanted to thank them formally for the work they did, because they did a tremendous job. Also, I would be remiss for not thanking my E-day chair, Mary Chen. She's done an incredible job for me over the last two elections. I think it's very important to recognize the work that sh e does.

She has brought her son Stephan into the political fold now, and he has been working hard as well. Also, I wanted to particularly thank a friend of mine who has worked hard on my campaigns over the last two elections, and that's Russ ell Perry. Russell has just recently been informed that he has cancer. It's a chal- lenge that I know you faced last year, Madam Speaker, with great difficulty. Congratulations certainly to you. Russell — all the best to you, guy. All of our hearts go out to you, and we know you're going to fight this thing with everything you've got. So all the best to you as well, Russell.

Just to wrap up on the thank-yous, I have to men- tion my three constituency assistants who have just done an incredible job for me over the last four years and continue to do a great job for me representing the interests of my constituents. Those would be Charlotte Groot, Kathy Offet and Cecile Boughner up in Mackenzie. They have done a great job, and without their hard work I know it would be very difficult for me to do the type of job I think I've done representing my constituents.

To wrap up, I have to give special thanks to my colleague the Minister of Education and Deputy Pre- mier from the great riding of Prince George–Mount Robson. She's been there every step of the way for us. We've been a great team in Prince George, and cer- tainly we'd like to welcome our new colleague, the new member for Prince George–Omineca, to the team. We think Prince George is a great place to be, and we're going to continue to do the job representing that area. It's worth mentioning to all members that since 1871, there's only been 854 Members of the Legislative As- sembly.

So this is a very small group of folks, and it's a real honour for us to represent all the constituents in the province of British Columbia. I think it's important for us to bring the real efforts of civility that we've tried to manage, certainly for the last couple of months, and that leaders on both sides of the House have talked about. [1055] I think we have an opportunity to make a signifi- cant change in the way the Legislature works, and we've certainly taken some substantial steps forward in terms of the development of the first opposition mem- ber to be an Assistant Deputy Speaker.

I think that is a significant move and a very positive one and a real step in the right direction to demonstrate that we're trying to make significant change in this House. I think the change to a 30-minute question period is a very positive innovation. I think it's a real opportu- nity to have some good, constructive dialogue moving

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 83 back and forth. I know it's going to be a challenge some days to fill that 30 minutes. I saw an interesting com- ment from the media the other day. I think one of our House Leaders said that we knew it was going to be a challenge to have to be there for 30 minutes some days, and the House Leader from the opposition said that it was going to be a challenge to try and fill that 30 min- utes. A member of the press gallery said: "It was just a challenge watching it for 30 minutes." So that was an interesting comment.

Another great innovation, and I as the minister responsible for aquaculture am really looking forward to working with the special legislative committee on aquaculture in terms of finding good, long-term sus- tainable solutions. This has been a challenge for both our governments over previous years, and I think there are positive solutions out th ere. We need to work col- lectively on it, and I think th e f a c t t h a t w e h a v e t h i s new committee that we're establishing really demon- strates that this is a non-partisan issue.

We have to find the right solutions for British Columbians, and it's a real demonstration and a commitment on our part to work collectively with the opposition. I think those are all critical t hing s that we need to continue to work forward on, and it's a real innovation from this government's perspective to try and embrace the opposition and have us work collectively together. There are days that it will be challenging for us, and there are days that we'll wa nt to stand up and perhaps throw the odd jab back and forth across the assembly.

But I really encourage all of us to try and resist that and maintain the type of decorum in the House that we're all working for. I think there is, as I starte d out saying in this segment of my speech, a real opportunity for us to make a change this time in the House. I am afraid that if we don't make the change this time, I'm not sure that it will occur in the province. I think we want to rid ourselves of the reputa- tion we've had in the past and really move forward, and here's our opportunity to do that.

With that all said, I want to move on to some of the substance of the budget sp eech and the real opportuni- ties that I think exist out in front of us around the budget and specifically arou nd the state of the econ- omy. I for one am very proud of what we've been able to accomplish over the last four years in terms of turn- ing the economy of the province around. Let's just think about that a bit: a $2.6 billion sur- plus last year — the largest-ever su rplus in the prov- ince of British Columbia, the largest-ever debt repay- ment. What does that mean to the province?

Let's rec- ognize that we have a significant provincial debt that we have to deal with. If we look to our neighbours just to the east of us in the province of Alberta, what have they been able to accomplish? That $2 billion we have to pay out in interest every year that could be spent on education, that could be spent on health care, that could be spent on capital infrastructure and social ser- vices…. Those are all critical components. We need to learn how to manage that. It 's difficult, and it's com- plex, and it's challenging.

Yesterday we all heard that we're on track to have another great year in the province, with a potential surplus of $1.3 billion with forecast allowances and contingencies in place to ensure that we can meet our targets and our objectives. We 're very confident in that number moving forward. That 's a significant shift, be- cause it means that we're actually looking at long-term planning and strategizing. How do we do that?

You do that by delivering long-term budgets, by delivering long-term service plans, by actually looking out in front and making long-term decisions — not making them based on one-time reve nues or short-term deci- sions, because there could be a burst in the bubble here. There is no question about that. We have to manage this carefully. We have to manage expectations, and we have to invest strategically. That's what funds like this hundred million dollars for the first nations fund around building a new rela- tionship are all about. I heard some criticism about this, as being one-time funding.

But strategically, that's im- portant, because what happens if natural gas prices fall? What happens if there's a downfall in world com- modity prices? We're seeing record-high copper prices. It's a very exciting time to be in the mining industry in B.C. right now. But what happens if that changes? We have to think through that. If there is an opportunity to create funds like this that create long-term benefits for first nations, let's embrace and utilize those challenges.

Let's not criticize them, beca use it makes a tremendous amount of sense to invest strategically now but to get benefits down the road for those investments. [1100] That's what this first nations trust is about, and it's been a challenging time. Let's look back historically. It has been very difficult for all governments to try and really build a firm relationship with first nations. I think the efforts by this government have been excep- tional.

When you look at the work we've done in terms of land-use planning, creating real certainty around the land base, actually getting to agreements-in-principle — one of them being in my part of the province with the Lheidli-T'enneh first nation…. They've worked very hard to get there. My colleague from Prince George–Omineca re- cently had an agreement-in-principle signed in his rid- ing with the Yekooche first nation. The Yekooche first nation is a tremendous success story. They have great partnerships that they're evolving with different pri- vate sector companies both on the mining side and the forestry side.

It's very, ve ry positive. They're in the heart of the mountain pine beetle devastation, which I am going to make some comments on in my speech today. But you know what? They're working through those challenges. They're taking one-time funding sources. They're creating capacity in their community. Chief Allan Joseph. I've got to tell you that that guy deserves a lot of credit for the work he's done. He's shown real leadership. He's taken a step out of the box, and he's providing benefits to his community. There are good-news stor ies around there. I em- brace the new relationship wi th first nations. I believe

84 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 leaders like Ed John need to have the supports and the structures, and we need to work collectively together to get to that end destination, because at the end of the day, when first nations benefi t, we all benefit in this province. We're all part of one big family, and we need to understand that for our resource sectors to be suc- cessful, we have to work collectively in order to get to that destination. It is a very exciting time. I've heard some criticis m around the room about the heartlands and the ec onomy and the way things have changed.

But I'm from Prince George, and that's part of the heartlands. I represent the great city of Mackenzie. That's part of th e heartlands too. It's a dif- ferent story than I'm hearing from some of the opposi- tion members. Lowest unemployment rate in decades. We went from 16.6 percent in 1998 — 16.6 percent. We haven't seen double digits for three years, and this year we're on pace to see one of the lowest unemployment rates we've seen literally ever. In fact, in the Cariboo we had 5.7 percent just two months ago. I think the member for Cariboo South will report that. That's not a growing population.

Why is that occurring? It's because mills are reinvesting. Mines are reopening. It's because there are all kinds of new eco- nomic activity on the land base, and that's significant. Where are those investments taking place? In the Husky oil refinery in Prince George — $75 million. That's a significant investment. You don't make that type of investment in a refinery if you're not certain you're going to have long-term certainty around your oil sup- ply and the right economic environment to work in.

Dunkley Lumber, just to the south of Prince George — a family-owned operation, not a big corporate entity — spent over $60 million doubling the size of their operation, a really significant investment. Brink Forest Products, a na me that already came up earlier on in a reply to the Speech from the Throne. He's taken his operation from one that employed under 100 people, and I think he's got about 250 to 300 direct em- ployees — tripled the size of his operation. He shifted his operation a bit into finger-jointing more than re- manufacturing.

A huge new employer of people in the Prince George region — a very exciting operation. Housing starts in Prince George continue to in- crease at record levels. Last year Prince George had the fastest-growing housing market in all of British Co- lumbia, and this year is up 74 percent over last year — significant growth going on in the community. All kinds of new and innovative things are happening in and around Prince George, and it's a very exciting place to be. I visited TerraCan during the election period. There's an operation that used to have 25 direct em- ployees servicing the forest industry.

They're now up to almost 50 employees, almost double the employ- ment they had before. They 've branched out and are now serving the mining industry as well. The oil and gas industry is starting to look in the Nechako basin now. Big potential in that particular basin. The Canadian energy entity of the federal gov- ernment estimates that there are 5.1 billion barrels of oil that have been locked away for a long time — a big opportunity for the ridings of Cariboo South, Cariboo North and the three Prince George ridings.

It's certainly one that we look forward to trying to move forward. [1105] The economy has really never been better in our region. It is very, very strong. I want to ensure that everyone understands that. The housing starts are up, housing prices are way up, jobs are back, and we're seeing people moving back to Prince George — unlike what occurred through the latter part of the '90s. Why is that taking place? I think it's that, strategi- cally, you need to make sure you provide the right tax environment for businesses to come back to the prov- ince. That is, in fact, what's happening today.

You are starting to see businesses moving back, and part of our strategy in the throne speech was about building in tax credits for intellectual properties. What's been occurring in the province over the years is that people would put all the initial work into developing intellectual properties in British Columbia and take advantage of the nucleus and the centre of excellence that we have around that.

But as soon as they started making money and paying taxes, they would move offshore, where they could find a fiscal and taxation environment that was more attractive than they were able to find here in British Columbia. By implementing this new life sciences taxation strategy, we think we're going to be able to retain those dollars and those intellectual properties in British Co- lumbia, and that's very important from my perspective. This really speaks to something, and I want to actu- ally take a quote out of a member's speech from the day before yesterday.

It was this, and I'm quoting from the member for Nelson-Creston's speech: "The hardest thing for them to figure out was that after the vote, the g u y s t h a t l o s t … . Y o u d i d n ' t g e t t o s h o o t t h e m o r p u t them in jail or in exile. You had to give them wages and go off and actually pay them to oppose the state." We have taken that a step further, and I made that point earlier. We're actually extending question period. We're creating statutory select committees that the op- position can sit on and actu ally chair.

We're doing in- novative things in the House that really make a sub- stantial difference. The member also said something that I think was kind of interesting. He said: "Remember the legislative session of 1982? That would be Operation Solidarity. It was tough times." And he tried to compare that to today. Well, I'm not sure there ar e too many comparables be- tween 1982 and today. In 1982 the economy was in the tank. In 1982 you had 20 percent interest rates. In 1982 people were really challenged across this province. The economy is booming today.

So to try and say that there's a link between 1982 and 2005 — I'm sorry — is flawed philosophically; it's tough to find the link there. That member went on to challenge a number of kind of interesting things. He said later on that he was interested to note he's advised that the gross value of agricultural products in British Columbia has increased by 5 percent. So I'm not sure where the linkage is. He's

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 85 saying we should act like a government that's in a pe- riod that's very challenging economically, and yet he's saying agriculture is doing okay. He also said that the Socreds actually took up re- sponsibility for the softwood fight that was going on back in the '80s. Let's thin k about the last softwood lumber agreement that was signed in 1996. Hmm, let's think about that for a second. Now, if memory serves me correctly, B.C. had a market share of about 18 per- cent of the U.S. marketplac e in 1996 when that lumber agreement was signed.

But the then provincial gov- ernment thought: "No, this looks like a good deal. We'll set up a quota system. That makes a lot of sense." What did they do? We went from an 18 percent market share in British Columbia down to 15 percent market share, and there was no investment through the 1990s — no investment in the forest sector through the 1990s. Why would you invest? You're only allowed to ship so much product to the U.S., so why would you invest? I hear some criticism from that member of this gov- ernment for sticking to ou r guns and saying: "You know what? We're going to stand up for NAFTA.

We're going to stand up for what's right in terms of softwood lumber. We're goin g to challenge this thing right through to the end." And what's happened? Our market share has gone from 15 percent in 2001, when the last softwood agreement wrapped up, to 19 per- cent, and there are literally hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars being invested in British Columbia by forest product companies. That's the way you man- age a successful forest industry.

You don't manage it by going back to the old days of the quota system, like the member for Nelson-Creston would have you think. [1110] Then they started talkin g about some interesting things. They understood that the job of working over there on the government side was to use resources of the people to intercede to make jobs for citizens. So that's what the member for Nelson-Creston would like us to do. He'd like us to take government resources and intercede to try and build jobs. That's an interesting philosophy, and I wonder how that worked with the jobs and timber accord. Hmm, let me think about that.

I don't think that was that success- ful, if memory serves me correctly. In fact, it was an economic disaster. So what did we do in our power industry last year? The member for Peace River North, the Minister of Energy and Mines, actually cr eated an infrastructure, a taxation structure that allowed for private sector in- vestment in the electrical industry, in the supply indus- try. What did we get? We got $800 million in private sector investment — not government investment — creating jobs in British Columbia. That's how you build an economy in the province, not by government subsi- dies.

That's not how it works. We've watched the failures of the past. We know what occurred when you pu t $500 million into a bunch of aluminum things that were supposed to float but didn't work very well. We saw previous governments invest heavily in other business subsidies, and we made a very clear decision on the part of this govern- ment that we were not going to subsidize business, that we were going to create the right taxation structure, the right initiatives for businesses to be successful in the province, and what do you get?

You get the strongest economy in Canada, leading in virtually every eco- nomic indicator and leading in job creation in all of Canada. In fact, for the first time we're edging in on 50,000 jobs in the community of Prince George. Interesting question here, too, Madam Speaker. The member went on to say that she should have addressed offshore oil and gas. "What's your position? What are you going to do? Do you have a vision?" — asking about our position on offshore oil and gas. Interesting. My recollection is the position of the opposition on offshore oil and gas is…. Was it not now, not ever?

Pretty sure that was the comment. It was something along those lines. We have made a very clear strategic commitment to offshore oil and gas. We think there is big potential to offshore oil and gas. We've made some very significant moves in order to move offshore oil and gas forward in British Columbia. We embrace that opportunity. We think we need to move that strategy forward over time, and we're working very hard to make that happen. I am very confident in the work that the Minister of En- ergy and Mines does. You know, for the member for Nelson-Creston to suggest: what's our position…?

I think we know what our position is. I'm pretty s u r e w e k n o w w h a t t h e i r position is. It's a bit hypocritical in my view, I suppose. Let's talk about mountain pine beetle for a few minutes. You know what? In 1994 and 1995, I logged mountain pine beetle, and I saw what was occurring out of Tweedsmuir Park. There was a key strategic decision made by the previous government that it did not make sense from their perspective to harvest the few trees that were necessary in order to have some management control. W h a t d o w e h a v e t o d a y ?

I t h i n k i t ' s p r e t t y h y p o - critical for people to stand on the other side of the House and talk about this as if it's our problem. We inherited a very challenging problem. But you know what, Madam Speaker? This wave that's been coming at us is a devastating wave to the forests in the interior part of the province. We do need t o b e v e r y f o c u s e d o n h o w w e m a n a g e o u r w a y through this, and there have been significant key strategies put in place.

I was part of the MLA committee that went out and toured the land base shortly after the 2001 election and started developing strategies. I chaired the committee that developed the small-scale salvage strategy that has had significant impact and results on employment. In fact, I remember my colleague for Kamloops– North Thompson used to go begging to the previous government to try and just allocate one FTE to work on small-scale salvage in his communities up the North Thompson River Valley.

Finally, after he was able to do that, he was able to just make a little bit of headway in terms of creating some employment.

86 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 Well, I can tell you that last year there were 600,000 cubic metres harvested in the Prince George district in small-scale salvage. This is very environmentally friendly, very focused salvage on single-tree extraction, removing the infested trees and really doing it the right way. [1115] This government has been incredibly proactive. We assigned a beetle boss, someone who's in charge of the mountain pine beetle area and all the challenges. We have a map that very clearly identifies the different strategies that are used.

We've put out 2.5 million cubic metres in sales of various types to encourage additional harvesting in the region. We've looked at developing alternate uses for mountain pine beetle fibre, whether it be for oriented strand board — there are two plants in the process of being developed around that — cogene- ration or all kinds of other different products. We have worked very, very hard at this. This is a devastating attack that has occurred. We all need to work on the same team, and certainly we support whatever the opposition wants to bring for- ward. We'd love to look at their issues.

But the time for committees is over. The time for action is here. I know that in speaking with the Minister of Forests, we have some very, very real opportunities moving forward. I want to shift my comments for a few minutes — I know I'm nearing the end of my time here — and talk a little bit about agriculture. I think there are just tre- mendous opportunities for us out there. There was an interesting question asked by the member for Cariboo North the other day — some suggestion that I'd said forestry was a sunset industry and that we should cre- ate farmland out of all the pine beetle land.

Well, if the member would read into the record…. If he'd take the time to read into the record what was actually said in the transcript, what he'll fi n d I s a i d i s t h a t I t h i n k there's an opportunity for us to diversify our economy and look at creating employ ment in a variety of indus- tries such as agriculture, mining and energy as we m o v e t h r o u g h t h i s , s o t h a t w e r e a l l y d o h a v e s u s t a i n - able communities. We are resource-dependent in the heartlands. It's important for us to keep in mind that we're resource- dependent.

We have an opportunity out in front of us, and I do think there is an opportunity for us to look strategically at agricultural development areas, areas of high value, areas currently in the agricultural land re- serve that we know have good soil types, and look at doing some conversions and create some opportunities for agriculture to expand into that. Agriculture is a vibrant in dustry in the province. We have over 200 different products that we produ ce com - mercially and $2.2 billion in direct farm-gate sales — growing every single year against the national average, which is declining every year .

We're the only province that is seeing consistent improvements, and we've got a real variety in our industry. So it's very exciting. We've got a tremendous winery industry that's developed in the Okanagan. It has increased just in the l a s t y e a r b y 2 2 . 5 p e r c e n t , t h e w i n e r y i n d u s t r y , w i t h some real strategic changes that this government made over the last couple of years. But you know, we've worked our way through challenging times with BSE. We've worked our way through the issues with avian flu. We've been continuing to grow the industry, so there are huge opportunities for us.

I am really down to my last minute or so here. I'm going to wrap up now, but I want to say that this prov- ince is a tremendous place to be. It has been very good to my wife and our children and me and to most of the members of this House. As I started my speech, I want to congratulate everyone on their election to the House. I want to congratulate everyone who did run for office and was not successful. It is extremely challenging to put your name forward any time, and I think it's a real commitment on everyone's part.

I look forward to working constructively with the opposition on the aquaculture committee and other roles. I think we really do have an opportunity, perhaps the only oppor- tunity, to make a difference in this House. H. Lali : Hon. Speaker, I would like to start by con- gratulating the member from Penticton, who has become the Speaker of this House, on his election as the Speaker. I would also like to cong ratulate you on your posi- tion as Deputy Speaker of this House. It's a great chal- lenge, as you know.

I also wa nt to congratulate you on the fact that you are the first Indo-Canadian woman to become Deputy Speaker of this House. Congratulations to you. As I stand here before you , I wou ld lik e to say that it's a great honour and privilege to be a member of this assembly once again. As most of you folks know, I was a member here from 1991 to 2001. These duties that we do — I know all of us do not take them lightly. We're all here because we want to make our communities better and want to work on behalf of our constituents.

I want to congratulate each and every one of you on your victories in this last election and to all of those hundreds of folks who were unsuccessful but ha d the courage enough to put their name on a ballot. Congratulations go out to them and a big thank you as well. [1120] I also want to take this opportunity to thank all of my supporters in Yale-Lillooet who gave me this great honour and privilege by putting me back into this House, and all of those hundreds and hundreds of supporters who were out there working in my cam- paign during the election.

I want to thank all my con- stituents, even the ones who didn't vote for me. This democracy of ours works, because we have govern- ment and we have opposition, and we have the right and the freedom to choose to support who we want and not support who we don't want. Most important of all, I want to thank my family. All of us, obviously, would not be here if we hadn't had the support of our families in the way that we did. I want to thank my mom. She's going to be 87 in a few months. She's always been there for me and also for my brothers and sisters, whenever we needed her. I want to thank my son Ajhmair.

He's 14 now. He's going to high school. My daughter Suman has just turned 12.

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 87 She's in middle school, just starting this year. Of course, our newborn…. Well, actually, he's about two years old — little Sajjin. It's really a joy to have him as part of the family. It kind of makes me feel young all over again. Finally but not least, there is my wife Roni. She's always been there. As the previous member said quite eloquently about spouses, we would not be here if it weren't for all of the support that we got from our spouses and partners in our efforts to be here.

Really, when we're over here, they're the ones who are looking after the home front. Often they get forgotten or don't get recognized. I want to take this opportunity and join the previous mem- ber from Prince George in recognizing the support and the effort of our spouses and our partners. I mentioned a little earlier how I feel it is a great hon- our to be here. You know, a lot of folks serve one term in this Legislature, and quite a few folks actually spend more time in this House — a couple of terms or more. Usually, it's consecutively.

A few — very, very few — actually get a second chance to make a first impression. K. Krueger: And you don't. H. Lali: The member opposite obviously doesn't realize or appreciate the honour and privilege that goes with being a member out here. I think he might want to rethink his remarks afterwards. [Mr. Speaker in the chair.] As I was rudely interrupted, I was going to point out a few members here. The Minister of Employment and Income Assistance, from Kamloops, made a come- back in this Legislature.

I' m sure he knows the courage it takes, after being out of politics for a number of years, to actually come back and win a seat in this House. Not too many people actually can get to do that. The Minister of Children and Family Develop- ment is another member from the opposite side who has done that — from the Comox area. Of course, from the opposition side there's the member for Nelson-Creston and the member for Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain, as well as the member for Surrey–Green Timbers. All of these folks have been min- isters in past governments of the Legislature.

Of course, not to forget, there's also the member for Nanaimo. Yes, I have him on my sheet here. He's sitting here. After a nine-year hiatus, he's back here in the Legislature. Of course, there's myself as well, who got a chance. If I've forgotten anybody on both sides, I apologize. I'm sure somebody will point them out to me. It takes real courage, actu ally, to be out of politics and then make a comeback and be successful. There are so many members here from the government side and the opposition side who have been able to do that. The people of our constitu encies, respectively, have afforded us that honour.

They have put a lot of faith and trust in us to go out there and do the job. As I men- tioned, it's indeed an honour to be here once again. Yale-Lillooet. I just want to talk a few minutes about my riding. It's a historic riding. It's one of the original con- stituencies when British Columbia became a province. I have 56 small and large communities spread out over 31,000 square kilometres.

I have 27 first nations bands in my constituency — more than any other constituency in this province — represented by six tribal councils — again, more tribal councils than any other constituency. [1125] I have seven municipalities — Merritt, Princeton, Hope, Keremeos, Logan Lake, Lillooet and Lytton — in my constituency as well, an d also four regional dis- tricts in the constituency.

We also have all the major highways in British Columbia run through there: the Trans-Canada Highway 1; the Yellowhead Highway 5; the Coquihalla Highway, which is also number five; Hope-Princeton Highway 3 and the Crowsnest High- way; Highway 99 as well as Highway 97C, which is actually part of the long est highway system in the world stretching all the way from Alaska through the Yukon and British Columbia, through the United States, Mexico and across Latin America to the tip of South America. It's part of the longest continuous highway system in the world.

All major railways in British Columbia run through my constituency as well. Actually, there used to be three. Now there are two. As you know, B.C. Rail was sold off to CN. Major rive rs such as the Thompson River and Fraser River are also part of this constitu- ency, as well as the Nicola, Similkameen, Coquihalla and Bridge rivers in my constituency.

It's a multicultural cons tituency, perhaps not as large in numbers as in the lower mainland, but we have people from all continents living in my constitu- ency — people from the variou s European countries, the British Isles as well as from Germany and Spain and Portugal and all of those communities. Italian Ca- nadians live in my constituency as well as Indo- Canadians. We have a few Pakistani Canadians living in my constituency, and Chinese Canadians and people from all continents are represented. Of course, not to forget, 19 percent of my constituency is comprised of aboriginal people.

I think that's either the third- or fourth-largest population of aboriginal people compared to all other constituencies in this province. Rugged mountain terrain. We have the world- famous Stein Valley Park that was protected by the former NDP government, as well as Spruce Lake in the southern Chilcotins, which both the New Democrats and Liberals had a hand in. Manning Park has been there…. It's world-renowned, as you know. We have some great parkland in the constituency. Endless rivers and streams.

As a matter of fact, in the Nicola Valley there's a saying: "A lake a day as long as you stay." That's a motto that we've had for a long, long time. Of course, it has quite diverse industries as well, forestry being number one in my constituency as a mainstay. There is mining and agriculture up in Keremeos, and fruit farming. There's ranching all over the constituency, whether you're in Princeton or Mer- ritt or up in Lillooet or towards Logan Lake.

88 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 Tourism is also fast becoming a big industry in this constituency because of the beauty of Yale-Lillooet, with its rivers, its streams, its lakes, its mountains and the greenery that is there, with the farmlands and the ranchlands and the high mountains. There is very, very good heliskiing and cross-country skiing, as well, in the winter for folks to enjoy.

As most of you folks can tell, I'm making a pitch on behalf of my constituency so that all of you and all of your friends and relatives and people listening out there will come out to Yale-Lillooet and spend a few dollars. Lord knows, we need it, especially after the last four years of the devastation that's taken place by the Liberal government there. We heard the budget that was announced in the House yesterday by the Finance Minister.

The govern- ment has been saying, as part of the throne speech and all of the formalities around the budget, that they want to work with the opposition and that they want to work with British Columbians, that they want to make things work — that they actually want to govern for all British Columbians. We're going to hold their feet to the fire on that from the opposite side of the House. The Finance Minister also stood up in this House and said that she was proud of this budget and that the Liber- als were bringing in some sort of a golden decade. Well, my friends, let's talk about the golden decade.

Let's talk about all of the broken promises of this Liberal govern- m e n t o v e r t h e f o u r y e a r s t h a t t h e y h a v e b e e n i n o f f i c e . They have had a history of broken promises, my friends. Nay, they have had a litany of broken promises for the last four years that they have been in government. [1130] Their budget talks about seniors, how they're going to look after seniors. You know, it's a little hard to take coming from that government, seeing as how for four years they have done nothing but hurt seniors in this province.

Their cuts to Phar macare coverage hit thou- sands of seniors in this province. Now they want to say that they're increasing the supplement for rent for sen- iors and GAIN and that. But wasn't it this Liberal gov- ernment that took the supp lement away from seniors in the first place? They had promised 5,000 long-term care beds when they got elected in 2001. Well, they delivered zero in those four years. As a matter of fact, their own internal reports showed that they had, indeed, cut hundreds and hundreds of long-term care beds. That's how they're going to look after seniors.

Then the budget talks ab out how they're going to work with aboriginal people, that they're going to build a new relationship. They've named their ministry Aboriginal Relations and Reconciliation. Well, you know, in terms of reconciliation, how are they building a new relationship? Let's talk about how they built a new relationship with aboriginal people when they had four years to do this. Th ey had four years to build a new relationship. There was a time in this province when aboriginal people were not welcome in this House, or to come and meet a minister was a big chore.

When we were doing the Nisga'a treaty with the aboriginal people…. There was a time when aboriginal people had to come in the side door. We opened the fr ont gates of this building, where aboriginal and non-abor iginal people were able to walk together side by side, up the stairs and into this House, to show to aboriginal people that it's their House as much as it's anyb ody else's House in this province. They were very proud of that fact. It was the first time, they said, that any government had treated them with the kind of respect they deserve.

This government across the way has shut the door on aboriginal people for the four years they were in office, the very door that previous NDP premiers had opened, the front doors of this Legislature. That Liberal govern- ment shut the doors on aboriginal people, and now they talk about reconciliation and new relationships. Well, let's see. What has building a new relationship got to do with putting on a referendum on aboriginal rights, a referendum on minority rights where the major- ity can vote on it? That's what this Liberal government did w h e n t h e y w e r e i n o f f i c e .

T h e y a l s o c a t e g o r i c a l l y d e n i e d aboriginal people the right to self-government. That's what the Liberals opposite believe, that aboriginal people don't have the right to self-government, when courts across the country have said that they do. How was cutting funding for treaty-making going to help aboriginal people? How was that building a new relationship? How is cutting funding for capacity- building for aboriginal people — over the four years that they were in office — building a new relationship and reconciling with aboriginal people?

How was cut- ting legal aid services in this province — most aborigi- nal people used legal aid when they had to go to court, when they had some legal issues they had to deal with — building a new relationship and reconciliation with the aboriginal people of this province? That Liberal government cut funding for aboriginal education, aboriginal funding in schools. How is that building a new relationship? How was that going to help aboriginal students get a better, decent education, so they can go out there an d actually get a job rather than having to rely on income assistance?

How is that helping aboriginal people? We also heard the Finance Minister say that they're going to make British Columbia the education prov- ince. Well, folks on this side of the House will tell you that when the New Democrats were in office, we were the education province in this country. We had frozen tuition fees for seven years. They were the highest in the country at one time; when we left, they were the lowest in the country.

We had the lowest participation rate in post-secondary education when the Social Credit Party was in office, and by the time the NDP left office, we had the highest participation rate in post- secondary education of all provinces in this country. We were the education province. We built 289 new schools and refurbished half of them in that particular number and lowered class sizes and eliminated hun- dreds and hundreds of portables and hired new teach- ers to lower the class sizes. We became the education province.

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 89 [1135] What the Liberals did in the last four years was gut education in this province. How did they do that? They closed 113 schools, arbitrarily — a number of them in my constituency — and fired 2,500 teachers. Class size increased under the Liberals. Tuition has increased. ESL funding has been cut. Special education funding has been cut. The ministry funding during those four years actually went down, as much as they like to say that it went up. They didn't take into ac- count inflation.

They didn't take into account all of the extra bills that were being paid by school boards for heating and for all of the other items that had gone up or for any wage increases, if there were any, in the sys- tem. All of that ate away any minute amount of fund- ing they put in. Now they'd like to claim that they're putting in some money and that they're making this an education province, when the reality is that they have not made education a priority when they were in office. The minister also talked about tax cuts in the budget earlier, yesterday.

When you take a closer look, most of those tax cuts, again, have gone to big business, to the corporate buddies of the Premier. They're the ones who are benefiting from these huge tax cuts. It's not the average lower- and middle-income earner. It's big business who is actually benefiting — the very people who financed the campaigns for all of those people on the government side of the House. They're the ones who are making a windfall out of this budget. It's not lower- and middle-income earners; it's their friends, the top 2 percent of the population in British Columbia who are benefiting from those tax cuts.

They want to say that this is a golden decade, a land of prosperity and a land of milk and honey. That's what they like to say. We ll, how do they help the lower- and middle-income earners? I'm going to point that out. How do they help average folks? A. Dix: They don't. H. Lali: Well, they don't, as the hon. member for Vancouver-Kingsway says. They don't. They haven't done that for years. They're not going to do that now. Well, look at their record.

I C B C r a t e s w e n t u p i n r ecord amounts in the four years that they were in offi ce, and it hurt the pocket- books of the very lower- and middle-income earners of this province. B.C. Hydro rates went up under that administration across the way — in record amounts, in record increases. Again, it hit those very consumers in all of those small communities all across this province, especially out in the north, where they have these huge heating bills. They increased, as well, the gas tax by three cents a litre during this time of record gas prices. My friends across the way, that's what you've done.

You know, you tried to take credit a couple of years ago to say that you lowered the sales tax. Well, the real- ity is: you raised it in the first place. First you took the money out of their pockets, and then you tried to give it back. They should be feeling thankful for that, be- cause at least you've given it back. Look at all the fees and licences that have been in- creased — 600 of them or more that the folks across the way have raised. That's their idea of helping lower- and middle-income earners.

In reality, what they have done is taken money out of the pocketbooks of lower- and middle-income earners and given it to their rich friends on Howe Street and the 2 percent of this prov- ince. That's how they've looked after lower- and mid- dle-income earners, my friends. Their golden decade is just another big golden goose egg, my friends. That's what they've done. We talk about the litany of broken promises by that government. Let's look at the agenda of privatization. First, it had a failed attempt to privatize the Coquihalla Highway for 100 years or for whatever it was they were going to give it away.

They backed off because there was an outcry in the Thompson-Okanagan, when the mem- ber for Kamloops and the member for Kamloops–North Thompson and all of those Okanagan members in this House realized they were going to lose their own seats. It was then, and on ly then, that the Premier decided to back down on that. But you know what? He was going to go on with his privatization agenda no matter what the public had said, because he got hauled into the offices at Howe Street, and he got smacked around by all the big corpo- rate entities.

They told him: "You are going to continue the privatization agenda, but from now on you are going to do it in secret. You're not going to tell people." [1140] That's what happened with B.C. Rail. That's exactly what happened with B.C. Rail, because he got read the riot act. The Premier got read the riot act by his corpo- r a t e b u d d i e s o n H o w e S t r e e t . H e w a s t o l d t h a t f r o m now on he was going to start privatizing, but he was going to do it in secret so that only a few people would be bidding on something. The public had no right to look at the tender.

As you know, that whole deal was marred with corruption and an unprecedented raid on senior ministers' offices in the Legislature. They still didn't back off. Why did the Premier not back off? Because his corporate buddies wouldn't let him. Otherwise, he's out of the Premier's chair, and he wouldn't have a job. That's why he continued on with that. Then there was the MSP premium administration to Maximus, or whatever th e name is, from the United States, so that under the USA Patriot Act, Mr. Bush, the President of the United Stat es, could access our medi- cal records here in British Columbia.

They didn't even bother to check the résumé for Maximus to see what kind of an entity they were before they privatized. You know, we've also had so many of our services in our hospitals that have been privatized by the Liber- als, which put so many of those folks who have decent- paying, family-supporting jobs out on the street or to go work for minimum wage somewhere else. It's the same thing that they've done with liquor stores. First they came out and publicly said: "We're going to designate a few liquor stores that we're going

90 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 to privatize." When there was an uproar in the member for Kamloops–North Thompson's riding, they backed off. Now, the Valleyview store and others across the province were done in a clandestine way, where they quietly let the lease run out and then blamed it on the lease running out and the owner of the building having jacked up the rents and "we couldn't pay the rents." That's their way of privatizing, to do it in a clandestine and secret way. I will tell you what's also not in the budget. They never talk about health care.

The number-one issue during the last election, an d they said nothing about health care. Of course, that's because they closed, I don't know, 70 hospitals or major portions of hospitals, pulled out services in hospitals — especially if you happen to live in rural B.C. They fired 1,200 nurses. They said nothing about surg ery wait-lists. There's no extra money in there to redu ce surgery wait-lists, be- cause this government doesn't think it is a priority. Women's equality is another area.

You don't find the Finance Minister talking about putting in money for new shelters where they're needed in British Co- lumbia — the very shelters that they closed or cut funding for. They won't say anything about that. Of course, they won't talk about rural British Co- lumbia either. They won't talk about all of the services that they pulled out. They won't talk about all of the courthouses they closed arbitrarily — f i v e o f t h e m i n my constituency alone, in Yale-Lillooet — or the gov- ernment agents that were cl osed or the services pulled out.

They won't talk about all of the social services of- fices in those small communities that they closed. The Liberal Finance Minister will not talk about the cuts to legal aid. She won't talk about the cuts to the Ministry of Forests offices — Merritt TSA had 109 peo- ple who used to look after the forestry in that riding, in that particular area; now there are only 49 people who are doing it — or the cuts to the Ministry of Environ- ment offices all across rural British Columbia or all of those cuts to the Ministry of Health. Normally, the Liberals talk about how much money they are putting into health .

Maybe they'd like to tell that to Mr. Gordon Cox in Merritt, who spent 17 hours on a stretcher in a hallway. He told me that he ended up urinating all over himself and that he had never felt more ashamed in his life. Maybe they want to tell Gordon Cox how their supposed prioritization of health care is supposed to help him or other people across this province. They'll not talk about thei r cuts to the Ministry of Education; they won't even ta lk about the cuts to the Ministry of Agriculture or the cuts to the Ministry of Transportation.

The Coquihalla Highway system was supposed to get a $42 million uplift, facelift, when I was the Minister of Transporta tion. I left that portfolio in 2001, and that was part of the plan. They shelved that plan. They haven't even done anything with that or any other of the major highways and secondary highways throughout this province of ours. Take a look in the interior, up in the north. They haven't done any work there. [1145] The cuts to municipal affa irs.

You know, they won't talk about the cuts they made to municipal affairs over the four years — and all the funding they used to get for their projects, whether they were water or sewers or sidewalks or roads within their communities — or some of the other programs they cut. They put no money into pine beetle infestation. As a matter of fact, it's supposed to be $7 million in next year's budget. When we've got a crisis taking place which requires hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, they're putting in $7 million. That's their way of looking after rural B.C.

Rural communities in this province have been abandoned by this government. Rural communities are suffering from a Liberal-imposed death by a thousand cuts, and there isn't a constituency or a community in this province that hasn't been hurt. As much about their ballyhooed heartland strategy…. What this Liberal Premier, this Liberal government, has done has cut the heart out of the heartlands. That's what they've done. In this budget the Liberal government continues to thumb its nose at rural British Columbia, because there's nothing in the budget for rural B.C. Once again they're being left out in the cold.

They're being left out literally in the cold again. We know that gas prices are going up. We also know that the fuel prices for heating folks' homes have gone up — electricity prices as well. Energy prices are going up. The prediction is for a long, cold winter. How is this budget supposed to help those people, especially if they're on a lower income or on a fixed income? How are they supposed to pay their bills? How has this government found at least $200 million to $250 million to give away to corporate buddies in a cor- porate tax cut?

For those folks — lower- and middle- income earners, especially in rural British Columbia — who are going to pay exorbitant heating bills, how is this government helping them? Where is the money for them? Where is the money for pine beetle infesta- tion? Where's the money for legal aid? Where is the money in this budget for all of those folks — all of the seniors, all the women, all the youth — who are look- ing forward to this budget and supposedly the new way of business that this government is going to do? What's in it for them? There is nothing in it for them, my friends.

Once again they're being left out in the cold. This government has continued to abandon the people of rural British Columbia, because they don't consider them a priority. That 's a real shame. I thought the Premier was going to listen, especially after he lost nearly half of those rural constituencies. They're being represented by this side of the House. You would think there would be a big message that would have been picked up by the Premier and the Finance Minister and that Liberal cabinet, but it seems to have once again fallen on deaf ears. They just don't care for those people in rural British Columbia.

But they do care about those people who pay for their campaign financ es during election times,

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 91 because they're the ones who reap those big dividends to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Hon. Speaker, I want to thank you, and I want to thank my colleagues on this side of the House and on t h e o p p o s i t e s i d e o f t h e H o u s e . A g a i n , i n c l o s i n g , I want to thank all of my supporters for getting me back into this House to make sure this government is going to be held accountable in the next four years. Hon. R. Thorpe: Mr.

Speaker, it is a privilege to rise in this House to speak on behalf of the constituents of Okanagan-Westside. Before I get into the detail of my comments, let me pass along from the constituents of Okanagan-Westside their congratulations to you on being appointed and being elected the Speaker of this House. I would also like to congratulate all of the members of this House on their elec tion, to wish them all the very best. Of course — and I'm sure the members on the other side of the House will give me this — I'm particularly pleased to be back in this House with 45 of my colleagues.

I'm also very, very pleased that for the first time in 22 years a Premier has been re-elected by the people of British Columbia, and we're very pleased to be forming this government. [1150] I want to thank very much all of those in Okanagan-Westside who have worked tirelessly on my behalf, the communities up and down Westside Road, the folks and the team in Westbank, the community of Peachland and all of those people that have worked so hard for me over the years, and in Summerland.

I would really like to sincerely thank my family: my wife Yasmin, married 32 years, who is my best friend and is always there for me — unfortunately, most of the time it's by telephone, like most other members in this House; and of course, my son and my two daughters. In particular, watching today, I'd like to thank my grandson Evan, who's two and a half years old and has brought unbelievable excitement and pleasure to my life. In fact, last week when it was my birthday, my grandson picked out this ti e f o r m e t o w e a r i n t h i s House. They're getting smarter every…. Interjection. Hon. R.

Thorpe: There's the member over there, making fun of the tie that my grandson…. You can say a lot of things about me, the member for Vancouver- Kingsway, but you'd better be very, very careful about what you say about my grandson. But we won't go there. British Columbia has come a long way. We can remember when some of us came here for the first time in 1996 and saw our great province go from number one on a slide to number ten.

But you know, since 2001 a lot of people in British Columbia have worked very, very hard to return British Columbia to one of the very, very best provinces, if not the very best, in the entire country of Canada. I must make some comments on some of the state- ments that have been made by the Finance critic, the member for Vancouver–Mount Pleasant, and the member for Yale-Lillooet, who said it's his second time for his first impression. Well, we know how he did. It's the same old. I'm particularly concerned about their comments with respect to our seniors.

Under the former admini- stration, the NDP, wait times for residential care ex- ceeded a year. Now they're down in different parts of the province from 30 days to 90 days. Between 1993 and 1999 the NDP reduced the number of care beds by 18 percent in the province. And they say they care. When we did an inventory of our care facilities in British Columbia, we found that about 50 percent of them were not of a standard that any of us would want any other British Columbian to have to live in. In their recent campaign they promised that in their first year they'd open a thousand beds in their first year.

Right now we have 2,100 beds under construction in the province of British Columbia. Also, when they were the government, with the SAFER program for ten years, they did not put one in- creased cent into SAFER. Now we are increasing SAFER so more and more people are eligible than ever before. We've increased it so those who live in manufactured homes, who live on rental pads, are now eligible. For them to say that members of this House don't care about seniors, quite frankly, is very, very questionable. Then I have to listen as they talk — the member from Nelson — about mining.

When they ran for re- election, there wasn't one comment in their plans about how they were going to boost mining in British Co- lumbia. On forestry revitalization: not one word in their plan on how they're going to revitalize their for- ests. In technology: not one word in their plans on how they were going to help our technology and biotech industry. On crime: no action plan. [1155] They said they were going to hire and train and recruit more nurses, but they had no plan. In fact, we know that they cut training spaces for nurses in the province in their reign. We've increased over 2,500…. Mr.

Speaker, as you know very well, at Okanagan Col- lege we now have an LPN program where very soon 25 new LPN nurses are going to graduate. The NDP caused a doctor shortage here in British Columbia. They did not add one — not one — new training space for doctors in British Columbia in ten years. The word "Pharmacare" was not mentioned once in their election campaign platform. You know, it becomes very, very difficult to try to sit here and watch this magi cal Disney presentation of the repackaging of the same old NDP, which was just characterized by the member for Yale-Lillooet in his comments.

People will see the NDP for what they are. Once again they want to stand in this House and take British Columbia backwards. British Columbians don't want to go backwards. British Columbians want to lead in Canada. British

92 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T HURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2005 Columbia is leading in Canada. We are going to con- tinue to lead in British Columbia. They talk about not caring for those at the lowest in- come levels in British Columbia. Well, the facts of the mat- ter are that those making $16,000 a year in British Colum- bia pay no provincial income taxes. That was a B.C. Lib- eral government that did that, not an NDP government. We see that those families that are making $83,000 pay the lowest tax rate of any jurisdiction in the entire country right here. That was not the NDP who did that. That was the B.C.

Liberal government. We have actu- ally taken money and given it back to families and to individuals so that they can make the choices. Apparently, the folks on the other side of the House think that big government is actually better for making decisions for individuals and families. If that's what they feel, they should stan d up and say that they're smarter, they're wiser, and they have better fiscal man- agement skills than the hard-working citizens of British Columbia.

I happen to believe and believe strongly, as does our government, that individuals should be mak- ing the decisions about how their hard-earned money is spent and where it is spent. It also seems that for some of the members over there the election campaign is not over. They talk about reductions in schools and reductions in teachers, but have you ever noticed that they always forget to tell British Columbians that there are 30,000 less students? Now, why would they forget to tell British Columbians that? Do they actually want British Columbia taxpayers to leave empty schools open? I don't think so.

With respect to health care, our government has led on the national stage in tr ansfers back to British Co- lumbia from federal dollars that have been invested in health care. We have increased health care spending by $3.8 billion in the time that we've been in government. British Columbia is moving forward. We are paying down debt. The province has been returned to financial stability. British Columbia is the best place to live, to work and to raise your family. Noting the hour, first of all, I'd like to reserve the remaining speaking time that I have, and I would now move adjournment of debate. Hon. R.

Thorpe moved adjournment of debate. Motion approved. [1200] Hon. C. Richmond moved adjournment of the House. Motion approved. Mr. Speaker: This House stands adjourned until two o'clock this afternoon. The House adjourned at 12:01 p.m.

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