Volume XL Wednesday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 43 25 May 1988 .... . '

The Hous~ met at 3:00p.m . MR . SPrAKER (McNicholas)' : Order, p1~~r.1Sf~! MR. TUI .. I<: Ml". Speaker· . MR. SPEAKFR: The:! hon. i·.hr-~ rn<,~rnbor for· Fogo. MR. TULI<: Before the daily routine of b u s i n H s s , t h e r' o h a s b e e n s o 111 e discussion between myself and this s·ldr:~ and th10~ Governrnont House Leader (Mr. Sirnrns), as to lAJhet.her in fact it would not be more convenient for us to open the Legislature perhaps at 2:00 o'clock in thE! af ·t.ernoon and go to 5:00 o'clock, in viBIAJ of thE! fact that we arE! getting into the hot season of thE! year.

And I r~uess it would be far more convenient for Lh~~ rnE:~d:ia, ,':J.s IJJell. w(,~ halJ<:~ agreed that starting on Monday and continuing for the remainder of this session, we will open the Legislature at 2:00 o'clock and close at 5:00 o'clock. Of courSE!, ~~voryl:hing .in our Sl.:c'.ln(:l-i.ng .Ordor·s that refers to 3:00 o'clock and fi"Om Lh<:11noon :i.n to 6:00 o'clock, in terms of adjournment and so on, IAJoulcl just mov~~ back one hol.lt", I IAJould presumE!. I understand that is tho ~greement we have. MR. SIMMS: Mr· . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. t.he PrE!SidE!tll of thE! Council. MR.

SIMMS : We d~d have some discussions and I cons 111 L E!d IAJ'.it:h the Pr·~:!m'.i c:! r and some of my colleagues; I did not get a chance to talk to Lhem all. But I do understand that the press would bo very, very happy with L2296 May 25, 1988 Vol XL this changE!, and I see them aJ.J. sm~i.ling up Uw1ne. In v.i~~lAJ oF that inescapable kind of pressure, I did not halJ(~ a chang8 to consult with our friends in the corner, and l do dpoJ.o·a·i.zo For· t:hRt:. It just happE!I'IE!d a mornE!nt beforE!, but I ~1rn Sl.l1"t:! l:hny und(:!l"stand. Thi:; side cert.aJ.nly would agrE!E!.

We -1.: h .i. 11 k .i. 'l: IAIO ll J. d b 0 a g 0 0 d i. d E:! a , TherE!fOrE!, as thE! lnE!TflbE!r for· Fogo ( M t' . T u 1 k ) ~; a y s , 1.: h e I" u 1 c,~ s pertaining to lhe opening hours and thr:~ clos:ing tJJould obviously be adjusted by agreement and everybody would understand that, Your Honour. That bEling Hw case, I think lAJE! will wait until Monday to give everybody a chance to acc1J.rnat:.ize to the new hours. PREMIER PECKFORD : You better IAJ:i.lling, unanirrdty, on 11.:? MR. SIMMS: rna k E!

Th(;~ 1"0 right? sure Uwy aro hRs !::o br:• ArE! thE!Y a~JrE!E!d The hon. rnE!rnbE!rS can speak for l:h:~rnsf~J.ves, T guess, but: T ~;at~.J thr::! House Leader for the NDP (Mr. Long), the l'nr,~rnbein fo1n St. John's East, nod in agreE•rTIE!nt. I usually consul.i: tAr.i.t:h l.:hE:~ Hou~>E'! L~~adE!Y'S, and thE! LE!CldE!rS consult to~d.th E!ach oLhotn, but lllijtybl::! t·.ho HOUSE! LE:~c1ciE:'I" for thE! NDP, or' indE!E!d · the LE!ader on t.h:i.s occas.i.on, could cornmE~nt:? MR . FENWICK: Mr. Speai<E!r . MR. SPEAKER : The bon. the mc::HnbE!r for ME!nHwk . MR. FENWICK: Mr.

SpE:~akE!r, obviously IAJe have not had a chanCE! to think about . :t.t . S-i.l'lCE! IAlhi\l.l.: il: do(;!S, .it. SOE!I'nS i:o rne, is compensate for Double Dayl:i.ghl. : Savings !:.i.rnc,~ and puts us No. 4-3 R2296

ba.ck in the same posit-:i.on we IAJE:1rc before Double Daylight Savings t:.Lme IAJas :in offE,c1: IAJi.th Y'€~sp~:1cl:. Lo the sun, which did not be,lie,ue in it, I do not irnagine 1.ve 1~o.Ji.ll have too many complaints about it. So if you want-. l:o sti:~rt 1~o.dth it on Monday, Mr. Speaker, we see no objections to it whatsoever. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! understand it, starU.ng on As I Monday until 5 changed i l:". IAJil.l be frorn 2 o 1 clock o 1 clock until it has been by agl"(,1emenl.

Before call :i.ng for· s l:atements by minir.t:ers, I would like to welcome to the gal.Jer :i.os six'i:E!GI'l exch;:~ngo ~tudents from Edmonton, with s i. x t c-:1 E! n s lu d e n L s ·f J" o m P o .i. n 1.: Leamington Central. High School IAri.l".h the::i.r· l:eacher·s, Mt'. and MI"S. Oliuc:.~r L.andon and Mr. and Mrs. Don Gibson. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! Statements by Ministers fREMIER PECKFORD : Mr. Speake,r. MR. SPEAKER: fhe han. thr:1 Prc-:Hnit:H'. PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr.

SpeakE,r, I 1.vish to address the I"(:Hnarks rnc,de by l:he hon. l~he rne:HnbE!r for Por·t de Graue on Fri.dfly, May 20th, 198!!, tJJI'JO('f'' he suggested a conflict of interest "in tJ o 1. u · i. n g 1: h r:' h on . 1.: h o m :::1 rn be r· f o I" St. John 1 s South, the DE!put :y P n11n i. E! I" ,

I) t' . J 0 h n C 0 J. 1 J n ~; . The on i"J 0 tl . ITIEHnb<'! r 1 S C OTIIHIE! l"lb; a pub1ic tender for L2297 May 25, 1988 f"ocus(~d office Vol XL space i.n Building Wor'kE!rs 1 Tribunal. the to Eas U;,r·n accommodatE! Cou1p~H1sat:ion CiHiilda thE! App(!al Dr. Collins' 25 pE!r cent owne,rship of Terra Nova Enterprises Ltd., the Company that owns both the Eastern Canada and Medical Arts Buildings, prE!- ·date's h:i.s first r:1lection as a Membli:1r of the:~ HotjSe of Asse!lnbly. This OlAJrJE!rship has bE:1E!n· cons:i.sb~ntly indicated r.Jn !::hE! annual public Conflict of Inte,rE,st st~tements filed pursuant to The Conflict of Interest Act. Upon being invited to join C a b :L no '1.: ,

I) r· . Co ll i. n s p 1 a c c,' d h :i. s share's :i.n trust tAJJ. t:h Mr . Oonald Me In c o r· , Q . C . , a J. '> o a p i:'l r l: <:HAJI1 o r· , c~nd hcts. sincE! that t:l.rnE! pJ.clYE!d no 1noJ.1:! :in I: he cla.i.ly ITidndgeiTI(;!n 1:: o·F ·the Company. He has IH!VE!Y' bE!E!tl lntJol.tJC::!d in l:.he fli"Ocur'l=!rn~:,nt oF, or approval of, re,ntaJ. contracLs by or For Lhe Co1npany. HC::! ha!; nr:,ver pc-1r·ticipatE!Cl in any CabinE!t or· Ministeri.al deci.sion relating in any way to the Company. Dr. Collins fo1nmaiJ.y compJ.J.,:,d tAJ:ith the Conflict of Interest (Minister·

s) Guidelines not:ify:ing TnE! of his ownership, and I, aftE,r rr:1u:i.e1JJ t.~Jrote him to adv:i.sc ;! that. I fe,lt thE,re was no confJ.ict. That is back several years ago. As soon as Dr. Col J.:i.n s was a part of C~binet, ho fulfil.l.t:!d h:i.s obligations undE!r thE! ConfJ.ict of Int:o1nest (M··i.nistoi"

S) Guidc,1l:ln<''S. Ht::1 has adhe,re!d to and E!XCE!E!dE!d tho l. e 1: 1: H I" i'ln d S p .L I" ·i. 1: o f 1:. h C:! A C 1:: d n d Guidelines in every respect. Afl~.er these' insinuations tJJE!I"E! madE! by l:he hon. l:hc' tliE!trJb(~l" For· Por·l· . dE! GraVE!, Dr'. Collins was conl:ac !":. ~:!(~ b y r.ll i" . M €'! i'' r; (:! I" ' h .i. s 1.: r· l.l ~- 1: (:' (-:~ ' 1:. 0 review the series of events associal:ed tAJ ·L th this Lender for the first timE!. No. 43 R229'7

Mr. Mercer provided Dr. Collins wtth t.he follo,,~J:ing "i.nforrn .at:ion. The Company had under contract an ou ts-Lde ag(:~nt for tho purpose o·F procuring rental leases, w:i th thE! a q en L IAJO r k i. n g u n d (:1 r an a g i" o ~Hr!O n t of paymE!I'lt of commission fees for IAJork pc:!rfor·rnocl. When a publ i. e call for" tE!nd<;!r's IAJas publisl'lE!d by th<,1 Dep<'ll"trnont of Publi.c: WOi"ks r'lncl SBI"Vices, 01'1 bE!half of thE! D<c1 pa r·trn<!!l'l t of Labour' l:.o accommodate the Workers 1 Compenst::tl:ion Appeal Tr"-ibunal, thE!

Company 1 s agent submitted a bid for the rental of space i.n the Easi:E!rn Canada Building, sometimes called the Central and Eastern Trust Building. Follor.uing thE! opE!ning of bids and subseqUE!nt negotiations, 1:11(:1 ag(:Hlt was informed that Terra Nova Enterprises had been awarded the contract, IJJhich involVE!d an obl.igation to carry out specified renovations at a cost of $15,000 to $20,000. The specified inclusjve rental rate was lower than arrange:~menLs alre:1ady in place with other tenants in the building.

The proposal was not the lowest ov~:!rall Lender', be ·i.ng the 5th JOIAJest of e}E!VBn bJds tn I"BSpOnSB to L:l·w call. Howevoi", Jn t.he v:i.GIAJ of th<;! ChairpE!rson of the Workers 1 Co Ill p <o! l'l sa l i. on A p p o cl 1 T i" ·.i. bun d 1, thE! space acquired was the best choice fi"Om Lh(,~ three~ b ·i.ds lhc~l ITlE!L tho requirements from a perspective of availability and accessibility, both from a parking, and a handicapped accessibility perspectJve. The proposal to aiAJard the tendE!r to ot:hE!r than the lowest bidder was concurred with by the DE!partnH:Hlt of Labour, and approved by. TrE!asury Board.

At. no l:.:irne did Dr. Collins participab~ in or influence any aspect of this decision process. L2298 May 25, 1988 Vol XL There arE! two separate issues here. The on<,~ I i~ITI dE:~aling IJJ:i. th today is Dr. Collins, thE! Deputy Prem:i.er, M:i.ni.stcH' of HE~alth, membe~ for St. John 1 s South.

S J n c e 1:. h (~ q u c st .. ion lAid s r· a :i. ~; c:! d ·.in the House as it related to the ul.:lri.cs Ol" IAJha'l:ovr:!t' of Lh<,~ aiAii'H'd l:.o the 5th lowest and the involvement .L n 1: h o r·· o , J h i'IIJ o s p o I< o n to l: hE! minister on a numbE!r of occasions i. n t h o l i'l s 1.: 1.\HH:d< <'I n d h e h a s p r E! p-a r r:~ d a n d g a t h E! r e d a 11 t. h E! Jnfor·rnaU.on Logother.

I IJJi.11 bt:' reviewing that information with Cab i.nEli: l:oJnor·row iHld l::hEHl bE! making a full statement aftE!r 1, and Cabinet, have completely reviE!Wed that parU.cuJ.ar incidE!nt, relative to the Chairman of the Appeal Tribunal on whel:her a conflict of interest, in fact, E!Xists there . So I u1ant to j.nforrn hon. rnernbers opposite that IA.Ihilst I arn dt:!{.d:i.ng wtth Dr . Collins 1 statement. today, I IAJ.i11 bE~ d(:~aling PN'sonally IAr.ith the other ctrcurnstanCE! to SE!0 IAJh~~ther, '.in ·fi:<tCI~, t.hr:~rE! IAICIS any confltct tn thE! aiAJardtng of l:ilat: l:.c:,nc.:lor.

B<,~cause I h·av(c.', mys()lf, delVE!d into OVE!r the las-t 1/JE!Ed< or" so and have a 1ol.: oF t:hE! information compiled, and 1 now IAJiHlL tl'lC! M·i.nJ.ster· of l..r.1bour and myself to brjef Cabinet on it 1: o rn o I" r' o IAJ . 111.1 t ,,, i: 1': h .i ~' p o :i. n 1:. i n time, I want to deal wil':h Dr. Co 11 :i. n s . () 1: no t i. rne d 'i d Dr . Collins participate in or influence any aspect of this decision process. Mr.

SpeakE!r, my goVE!rnmE!nt is I<(,~ e::~ n 1 y atJJa r· ~;! oF L hE! neE! d to rnatntatn thE! htghest · J.E!Vels of moralit:y and hone s ty in the E!XE!Cutton of our officE!S, and tilE! admi.nistrat:ion of l::he Pr·ovince. I am personally cornrnitted to this goal, as are a11 rny minist:er·s. I am absolutely convinced upon 1\Jo. 43 R229B ·~------

review of all the circumstances assoclal:.od IAJ.ilh this~ pr:u·L'.i.cular tende1n, as in E!VE!ry othe!r aspe,ct of hois oFf"i.ce C.\~> a trdni.sb:!r, thi.'lt Dr. John Collins exemplifies the highest:: possible standard of personal and professional integrity. I haVE! lo say I respt1Ct the hon. member 1 s right to raise theSE! matters in the House. I could dE!batr:1, I guess, IAJhethE!r in fact the hon. member should have perhaps mentioned it to the minister beforehand, or whatever, so that the minister was aware, because he hr.1.s not be~~n involV E!d in this company since 1979 .

He has put hJs shares ln tr·us t: and has -FollotJJE!(~ the conflict of intE!rE!SL: gu :i.d(:1li.nos tneJ.i:\Ung to publicly disclosing it every year, and also hdd IAJri.U:<'!I'l me, as lAWS ntlC(,!SSi::ti"Y for him to do, undE~r· l".:he mini.ster"i.al guidelines. The only oi:h"'r i:hJng I tJJouJ.d J ·. i.ko to say, which I feel obligated to say on my OIAJn behalf, i.s !::hat tho member for S ·t. John 1 s South, Dr.

John Collins, has bE!E!n a par"t of the Cabinet of Newfoundland since 1979 and I haVt1 to say that I haVE! found him, and I am surE! anybody else did who has ever had any dealings w:i.th Hw gentJ.ernan, to be upstanding and honest to a meticulous degree. I suppose I am glad in one SEHlse that the matt E!r was rat s e d , bE! c au s e I am ·v E! r y pl<:1aSE!d and honourE!d to be able l~ o say that a man of Dr. Collins 1 cal.i.bE:H' is SE!rv:ing thtl public of· t:his Province not on1y as a rnE!rnbE!r but as a rn:i.rrister tn tho pr·esenl: government of NetAJfoundland and l .. abr<.·\dor·. SOME HON.

MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAI<ER : L2299 May 25, 1.988 Vol XI .. ThE! hon. U1e Leader of thE! OpposJ t·i.on . MR. WELLS : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have just now received this stat e ment. I shouJ.d ·t e ll l::he House, and I am surE! thE! PretniE•r is awar·e, that thE!Se cornrnenl ::s by thE! hon. mEnnber for Port dE! Gr'aVE! (Mr. Efford), and I appr<-:~c:i.at: (:1 l .. hE! Pre!fn-:i.er 1 s comments about . t.hE! responsibilily of the member for Port dE! Grave to ra:LSE! thE!SE! i.SSIH1S and !::h<:1 pr'opr:iE!tlj oF it, but I should telJ. him that t.he commtlnts arose as a r·esult: oF t:he member for Fogo (Mr.

Tulk) asld.ng t 118 Mi. 1'1 oi. s l: (;! In () F La b ()I I r· (f"l r . BJ.anchard) a question on thE! i s sUE! ·i.n comm'il :. ·h1E! iCiboul: fi.ue IAJf: E:!kS ago. When there was no r'<o1Spon~;e h(~ a:>ked i:\ qi.IC:!S'i.J.on ·i.n l:.ho Ho1.1so. About~. l:tAIO IAJOE!ks ago, hE! asb: H~ U1f:! rn:i.rl'i.s hH' lAJh:-:!n hr~ IAJd~> go·i.nq to respond, and there was ~;ttlJ. no response, su cl i"E!lAJ dc:'tYS aqo, because the member for Fogo was ot.:her1.~dse t:i.od up, lhe mE:HnbE!r For Port de Graue ra~sed the question. PREMIER PECKFORD: That still does not - MR. ~~ELLS: I d:isagrE!E!.

The rn:L n:i. s lE! r has F:iue IJJE!(o1kS to prov· .idE:1 information. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hE,ar! MR. WELLS: FiVE! IAJeeks . AN HON. MEMBER: (Tnaudiblo) dJd he nol? MR. TULK: 1\Jo, .i.l.: lAklS i.:hi:tt ver·y quc:,stion . MR. WELLS: hNd this R2299

With respect, Mr. Speaker, - AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible) Minister of Labour (inclUd:ible) . MR. WELLS : Well, hav'.ing askE:~d liAJice J.n thE! HousC:~ and one<:! tn CornmiLI.:or-~, Lhe issue was then raised, is this parl: of the t"oason? I accept Lhe Premier's statement that it had n o t h t n g L o d o IAJ.i. t: h l l . f I o rn H d e thE:~ statement and I have no basis for challenging it at this rnomen ·t. And I say I accept thE! Pr·ernie:H'' s s 1:-.i:'\ l:(~m(!n 1: ctnd the saJ.utory rE!marks he has madE! about l:hE:~ hon. Lh121 m12~11lb<~r for Sl:. John's South. Mr.

Speaker, th·e bE!St infor·rnc11::ion available to the Opposition indicates that t.hE! Pr·emii2H' is pe:~rhaps not properly inforiTlE!d on t h E:1 rna t tr:~ r , be c au s E:1 as near 1 y as we can determine, other premises WE!re equally or more accessibl.e lo the handicapped at lower cost. MR. BLANCHARD: That is what I am checld ng personally myself now. MR. WEI LS : For the benefit of al.l bon. mE:~rnbor~; I intend l".o l:c."'ble an assessment on the accessibility of that pr·oper ty c:~nd Uw pn)por ly on lAlhich l":hE! lOtAJeSt bid lAli.'lS s u brrri t. te:H'J. I tAli 11 Lab 1 c~ Uta 1.:, Mr. Speake!".

I t.t.ril.l also tabh!, Mr. Sp12~aker·, a copy or a l<,!l::t:Ol" l:hat '(am told was written by the chairperson, and t:hH Pr·e:Hn:ior pr·obably hrl!> sc~en the h1tb:1r, datE!d June 19, 1987 in whlch he indicates that either property would be acceptable. I tAd.ll table this as w~d.l, Mr. Speaker. In those circumstances, and in the circumstances tAJhE!rE! the L2300 May 25, 1988 Vol XL. Minister of Labour failed for four to five we<,1i<S ~ to pr·ovide t.hE! information requesl":ed it was - MR. BLANCHARD: The question was answered May 9 in l::ho Hou se ? SOME liON . MEMBFI~S: Oh, oh! MR. b-.JELLS: In CommitteE!. MR.

BLANCHARD: In l.:ht~ Cormnitb:H~, i:Hld hE:! !Alas goJ.nq to lAJY'i tE! TTIE! . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, no! MR. WELLS: I remember it being a sked about two to three weeks ago in the House. I was here at that time. MR. BLANCHARD: Five weeks, you scdd . MR. ~'IIE~J:._§: Yes, but it tAJas tuJo WE!eks befor·e that in the Committee. So, ~11". Spoi:\kE!I", I l:.t'lbJ.e l::hE! information.

This is thE! qLH:1Stion t h a 1". h ,,, ~; be e n I" i'l :i. s o cl d n d IAI E:1 a I" r:! looking for· t.hE! ex plana I:.Jon as l:o IAJhy th0 gotJornrnon+-. lAJOul.d ritppr·ovr,1 of the rental at $14 . 85 per square F 0 0 i.: l.IJ h <:! n 0 q l.l d 11 y i:\ C C e !) S i b J. E:! 0 l" more acCE!SSibJ.e space tAJas I"E!ctcli1y available at $11.00. MR . SIMMS : How about Canada (inaudible) . M IL_§.f_s..fl_ K E_fi : Or·de:'r, please! lhe hon. rnE!Jnb(::1r' s time is e1apsc~d. No. 43 R2300

: MR. f'ULI<: By lE~ave! MR. Wfi..LS: By l(HlVO, T of lAJ'i J.l the iHlSlA.ItH' l:.he Pr·e side nt qUE!S !":ion. Council's MR. YOUNG: Sit down. Sit down. AN HON. ~IJEMB ~-R : No leaVE!. MR. WELLS: On that basis, Mr. SpE!aker, I answer it when they address conflict of interest charge. tAJill be ansWE!r·ed at that time. SOME HON. MEMBERS: 1-l'(:~ar, hoar l PREMIER PECKFORD : A po:i.nl: oF or·cler, Mtn. ~3po<.-\kOi". MR. SPE!11<F.:R: ------ will !:he That A point of or·cJer, the han. thE! Pr(Hrli(:~r. PREMIER PECKFORD: I find it insulting.

I agrE!e the Leader of l:.he Opposition has a point as it relates to the othE!r qut~s !:ion. I anstJJE!r'E!d that :in my statement, all that material and so on, and if UH,!rr::~ is an impropriE!ty or any wrongdoing, it tAri.ll be c orr(:~ c t. 1:! d f o r l:: hwi t h if there is! We are all among equals here. My rncd.n st.at.EHnent today lAJas, number onE!, to indicate that tAle will get at the bottom of the o t he r Ud n g a s it r E! 1 ate s to thE! award of the tender.

But righl:. now a person's integrity is at s t a k "~ . () n Accusal 'i. u n t.o~Ji'\ s 1 ''~ lJ "~ l o (~ at the Deputy PlnE!rnier of this Pr·ov-Lnce by a rnemb,~r of tho OpposiL"i.on, i'll'ld l:.hE~ L(~i:1der· of tho Opposition gets up in his place 1...2301 Mi:tY 25, 1.91313 Vol XL dnd har·dJ.y tnenl:i.Oil~> LhE! facl that: Yes, h(-:! agreE!S and knot.o~Js that the Depu l:.y Pl"C!m · i.e:~r of Ul'i.s Pt"OVi.ncl'! is an honourable rnan, and he should. MR. WELLS: M"r:--spoa k er· . MR. SPEAKER: To that point : of ordE!r', t.h(:~ hon. the L.eadE!r of the Opposition. MR.

WELLS: ThE!re is absolutely nothing Wl"ong with my stating the position I did. It was quite propE!r', and I wi 11 not . b(:~ in t.im.ida tE!Cl by these improper allegations by the Pr(:~rnie:~r. SOME HON. MEMBERS: lioar, h(,~ar! MR. WELLS: The hon. l:h(~ tnornber· r::-OI" Por·L de Grave ac'l:E!d wtth inl:.E!gr:i . l:y and cornpo · l:nnc1~ i:tncl loyalLy Lo t·:h1:! people of this Province not to anybody else . l·le cl.id Un'tL tJJh:.i.ch he was supposed to do, that JAJhich 'L s h .i. !; d u 1:. y l: o d o . I n L h E! i'.l b s (~ n c e of the hon. Minister of Labour dnswering the question, Mr.

Speaker, he ra:iSE!d thE! facts and brought those fact.s to l::h1:! attention of the Premier and asked .iF it·. had any l"E!lE:~VC'lncy. It: l.~J.~'J.s quite proper and I make no apology for defending it. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, he!ar! MR. SPEAKER: OrdE!r, ph~ase! I must r1.1 lE:! lhal l:hHr'E• :i.s no po·.:i.nt: of ordE!r. Oral Questions No. IJ.:J 1~2301

MR. KELLAND: Mr. SpE:1akE!r. MR . SPEAKER : The hon. · the member for Naskaupi. MR. KELLAND: Thank you, Mr. Spe:1a1<c,~r. In l:.hc:1 abSE!nco oF t:hc:1 Mi.n:ist.or of Rural, Agricultural and Northern Dovc,1lOpH1GI11: (Mi". PotAJer), I dir·ec-1 :. my question to th~ Premier. Original projoclions indicated lhat Sprung would have to get $1..09 a po11nd l:.o mr.li<e l:.h8 cucumber· opc:H'ation a ~;uccess. · The Pl"E!JTd.E!r yesterday indicated thal because of the unexpected greater yield in production the break oven price is now considerably lower.

I ask the Premier would he now indj.cale whal the rE!Vised average price must bE! :in ordE!r' l·:.o makE! thE! proj(:!Cl: a success right now? MR. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. the Premier. PREMIER PECKFORD: That is an :impossible quesU.on to answer, Mr. Sp(~akr:1r, becausE:1 in the marketplace that varies from day to day, baSE!d upon production levels and sales all over the placc:1. So t:hal: :is impossible:! to answer·. That wiJ.l vary, as it will for asbestos al Baie Uerle and Fluorspar from St. Lawrence, or whateuor. Thctl is ctn impossible question to answer. MR~LI_A~I}: A supplc:1mc:H1tar·y, Ml". Speaker' . MR.

KCLLAND : ThE! Pr·c:1rn:iE!r did indicatE! that thE!r'e IAJCIS a greatly unexpected increase in what t:hE!Y had antic:ipab1d in the actual L2302 May 25, 1988 UoJ. XL . production yieJ.d, but other than claims of a unexpected greater crop yiE!J.d, w"iJ.l thE! PrE!miE!Y' explain how· the base price of $1.09 couJd dramaticaJ.J.y drop to something which has to be constdE!rably l"!SS than fifty -- ninE! CE:1nls d pound, bi'\S('!d on thE! r'E!ta ·il priCE!S now? MR. SPEAKER: Th(:~ hon . t.:he Prarn:U!r. PREMIER PECKFORD: Primarily bE!Cause thE:~ fad .l:ity :iG produc·ing betl8r lhctn we had thought, Mr. Speaker. MR.

SPEAKER: (.)Final suppl.ornenl:dry, Mr. SpE!al<(:!r . MR. KELLAND: ~-final s~~plementary. MR. KELLAND : B a s e d o n e a r 11 E! r' s t a tE! rn E! n t s b y 1:. h E! M"inistc:1r, and the apology l:.hr?. PrE!IniE!r madE! in his bE!half ].n t:he House YE!Slerday. MR. SPEAKER: OrdE!r, pleasc:1! MR. KELLAND: This is a serious rnattE!r', Mr. Spoal<or, and I askEH:I ·for· a supplE!mE!ntary. M'R. SPEAKER: 0 r· cl e r , p l (:!i:l s c:1 ! ThE!re is t r.tsk t.he his finCll pr()c:\rnbJ.e. no nE!E!d for a hon. l'nOITibC!I" S U ppJ. E!ITIB n ·ta I" y MR. KELLAND: My apologies, Mr. Speaker. pr·earnblE:!.

Lo clir'('!CI.: IAJi.thoul: a My ftnal supplE!TnE!ntai"Y is: W:ill Lhr:1 Pr•ornir~1r l:dblc:! a cur·r·c;•n t cost. analysis of thE! Spr·ung cucurnbE!rs and .i.n -pr·ouinCE! clnd No. 43 R2302

oul-of-provinc(:~ markel: pr:i.c.ing, which obviously would have to form part of his marketing strategy? Ml~ : SPEAKE I~ : ThE! hon . the Pr·erniE!r . PRfMIER PECKFORD : No , M 1~ . S p <:~ a l<c~ r· . MR. DECKER: Mr . SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKER : The han. the member for the Str·ai l: of Belle IsJ.E!. MR. DECKER : Mr. Speaker, in HH,~ absence of the Minister of Rural, Agricultural and Northern Development · MR. FUREY: 'w'11t~r~1 is--hc-:1? MR.

DECKER: Where most of us wore embarr~s s ed yester·day. v.JOuld bE! if we Lhe way he was I ;:·\ s k . t 1'1 0. p I" (;' lrl i. 0 i" I notwithstanding his statement yesterday where he sa1d his Minister· of Rural, AgriculturaJ. and Northern Development was misquoted we have the transcripls here of the CBC ar·ticJ.~~ v.Jh~1rE! he rE!fE!rS to a very 1/JE! 11 t h 0 U 9 h t 0 U 1·. p J. iHl l: 0 p Ll t . Atlantic farmers out of business - but when the minister madE! th :is statement, v.JhE!I1 hE! forrnulatE!d the plan, iJJas t:-.hE! Pt'' E!ITI-.:l.

E!r· awar·e th<.il: his rrd ni s tE!r was bl"(o!a king thE! f(C~dE!ral CornpE!tition Act-., or d.-i.d he fj nd it out afLE!r thE! illegaJ. act IJJas done? MR. SIII-1MS: A point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR . SPE(lKER: ThE:~ hon. th"'1 President of the L?.303 May 25, l9BB Vol XI. CouncJJ. . Ml~. SIMI\1S: ~uld ·-J.ikE! to r·efE!r Your Honour· to fl e c:1 u c h o s n e 1 s F :i. F t h Ed "i. t i. on ...

IAJE! are going ·l: o be SE:1eing Ud.s ITIOI"E! dnd rnoi"O, I su~;pocl:., ~=; o Your Honour rn:ight wan-t to haVE! a cl.os ~: ! look at iL P<;\l"agr·aph :Jr:,9, PagE! 132, SubSE!Ction (10) "A qUE!St:i.on ought not. to r·of(~r· l":.o r.~ st:. at.E:!ITIE'!I'll:: madE! out.sidE! thE! HOUSE! by r.l Mini ·s l:E!r." NOIAJ, th~~ rnr::HTibt~r clearly in his

preamble specifically referred to a statement made outside the House by a minister. Mr. Speaker, nothing could bE! rnorE! cJ E!ar. It is totally out of or·dE:H' and thE! han. rnembE!r should bE! adviSE!d that his qUE!S t:i.on is so out. of orciC'!r, and should move on to the next qu~~stionc,~r. of Ol"cler·, Mr· . MR. SPEAKER : To that point of order, l: hP. membc!r ' for ~>Lra:i.t Isle. MR. DECKER : th E! of· hon . Bel.l.c:! T I.•Jas r·c~for·r··i . ng l:o tho PrE!rniE!r 1 s statemm1t, Mr.

SpeakE!r, IAJhich he rnt-\do '.insido thi~; l·lou~;<~ IAJhr::!n hE! apoJ.ogiZE!d for this stal:E!ITIE!nl: thcd: thl'::~ han. rninistor· rnaclc,~ outside thE! House. If the House J.ikes I would r· Co! ad t h <:! s t <:t l: E:1 m E:1 n t . " T h (:1 n c" x t: year we rnay haVE! fE!Wer produCE!r's Of CUCUiflb(~r" S 11 Mr~. SPEAKER: Or·der, pJ.ease! MR. SIMMS: On !.'1 point o r7 Mr . SpE!aker. MR. DECKER: .. I IAJ:i11 table it, Mr. Spt1ai<E!r, if No. lf.:J R2303

you want me to table it. MR. SIMMS: The member can do what he wants IJ..Jith it. As a rnattcH' of· Fact I can suggest something he can do t .... rith i.t if h(,~ t .... rishes, but t:hat has nothing to do with the point of ordE!r. MR. DECKER: There is no point of order . MR. SIMMS: Mr . S p <~ a k e r· , he r· c p o i'l h.~ d .it in speaking to the point of order.

Not only d.i.cl he :;<:~y he IAH:l:; referring to a comment made by the Pl~om Lor· bu L he r:1l-so lAIC\:) referr·Jng to a statement made outside the .Hou:;c by c:l rrLi.n'i : ;l:e:~r·, and thi:'tt i.s clearly out of order as I just oxpl<::~in(:1 d to Your Honour . MR. BAKER: There is no po i nt of privilege, Mr. SpE:~akE!Y'. MR.

SPEAKER: To that point of order, the exact quote is, 11 A question ought not to refer l:o a statement rnc:-~de oul:siciE! the House by a MinistE!r. 11 As I under s tan d , the 1 as t co mrn E! n t that the han. member made he was rE!fE:~rrlng to a staLE:~ment madE! by the Premier himSE!1f in rE!fE!renCE! to r.l staternE!I'll~ t:hat IAJas ITtad(,~ outside, so I think the question :is :i.n or'dE!r iF it refE!rS l:o c'l comment that was made in the House hert:~ . ·r he hon . Lht~ mt;!ITtbei~ for Lhe S l:. r'i.'\ i. l:. of B!i:1llt.;! Isle. MR.

DFCKF.R: The question was asked, Mr. ~3peetl<!i:H', and I an1 sU.J.l wa'.iting for' an ,"'nsiAIOI"', unlo :; s l:.h(;! Pl"erniet" lAICHd~ S l'rl 0 'l.: 0 r E! p ~~a ·t l: hE! q U (;! S t i 0 n b u l: t h ~:! n I tAl .i. 1 1 1 o s o rn y suppl~~mentary. L2304 May 2 5, 19 8 8 Vol XL MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the PrE!mier . PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr. Spec:1.k<,1r, i.'tS I undE!r·stand thE! comments made by the minister outs :i.dc::1 the Hou s e, becau SE! I th:ink thOSE! arE! ti'IE:! OriE!S he IAI(H; r'E:'fE!r·ring to, tJ..Ji::ts that.

NewfoundJ.and Enviroponics held a marketing plan Lo sell their cucumbers and their· produCE!, hi.~d i:'l well thought: ot~l: plan, tAih'ich Lht'!Y do, obviously, as any cornjjany does. Any company would ha1H~ ct well thought out: plan fot" rrtar·kot·i.ng 1:1 pi~ocluct that Lhey aJ~r,~ about to put on the mari<E!t, jn th t:! Si'Hne L\Jc:ly ds B;,do V~H·I ·.e M·i.nos does fo1n its asbestos, St. L.awrE!ncc;! for· :i.t:; fl.uor·spi'li~, l<r·ugor· -For il:'.s papc::~r, or L41hOE!Vt:1r it h<'l.PP~'!I1S l:o bo. That :is whc:·lt I under·:.; l::and thE! minister was referring to. MR. DECKER:, Mr. Spt~a k c::~r. MR.

SPEAKER: A supplc,Hnentary, the member for the Strait Islr:1. · MR. DECKER: hon . of 'l':.hE! BE!l} E! Will the Prc::1mier confirm that th:i.s IAJell thought out p1an IAWt s i::t plan which was to put the Atlanl:'.ic fi.'llnm(:1inS OUl: of' bus'.in( ;!SS? W·:i.J.l the Pr'E!Tnier confirm that that tJ..JclS !~hE! pl.dn? Ml~ . SPEAKER: The - hor-, .--CFie Prem:lE!r . PREMIER PECKFORD: M i" . ~:; p <:! cl k e i" , I a n s , .... , E! , ... ,,. d t h a 1:: yesterday. It is in the :; l:.cl1:.ernon L. It · L ~~ -L n tAtr··i t:ing.

Tho hon . rnE!fflbE!r' has cl copy of LhE! ::; l: r.1 l: ern~: ! n l: J g i'llJ E! y ( ~ s t E! r· d d y , that Lhere was no plan on behalf of anybody '.in th'.'i.:; Pr·ovtnc(;!, th<:~l'.·. tAlE! have had anything to do !Ali th, a s No. 43 1~2304-

it relates to ·trying to put anybody out of-business. We havo a u.Joll thought 0111: pldn to market the produce in an a CJ g r· e :; s i. v <:~ , c o 1 n p o l :i. l i. 'J o , o q u a J. , and fa:i1~ ITii:'lnnE!r. That is u1hat uJe iH'e mbou"l, Mr. Spt:li~ I< E! I", 0 I'' IAJhi.~ '1: th<:~ company is about. MR. DECKER: A fin~l supplementary, Mr. Speaker . .MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary, the hon. the member for the Strait of Belle Is1e. MR. DECKER: WiJ.l thE!

Premier not now adrni t - he is trying to avoid the question - that his minister tried to pu1J a s c "'m o n the No v a S co t·. :l a and N e lA I Brunswick governments similar to the 5 Ci~ITI bE!ing pCH'p<:1 tn'll.:E:!d on thj :; Province by Sprung, and that if thE! Pr·e:1mie:~r had not i.:lpolog.ize:H.i for· his rntnister, his minister could have c~nd<:1d up i.n jail. for br·oakJng The Competition Act? MR . SPEAKER : Order, pl.o,Ytsc! The hon. lfle:Hnboin 1 :; f"i.naJ. q11osti.on was far too long. ·rho hon. the Pr·c,Hni.or. PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr·.

SpE!ai<E!r, I can just r'E!Spond to whi:lt thE! hon. rnembE!r has to say. Thc;!r'<:1 is no scam I·H:1re, and I do not know if that word js parliamcHltary or not, Mr. SpeakE!r. To continUE! to cast innuondo upon this pr·oject, as the:1 hon. member wants to do, and to make sur·e thai: .it fa.ils, and to try to dE!Stroy 200 jobs that have bE!E!n ere a U;!d in Ull~; Pr·ovtnc<o1, I think is LE!rriblE! on behalf of l:hE! han. rn<:~mb<:H'.

All I cdn say l~o the May 25, 1988 Vol XL han. rnEnnber is that obviously thE! company ha:; a plan for· mar·kEd· i.ng its produce in the same way as any company 1.\Jould hr:we d pli:'ll'l to · market its product. Thc1t is what the company ·Ls about; i.l ~ i.:; .. i.n the bus:l.n~:1ss of producing and s~:!llin~J p r· o cl u c e . T h c:-1 L. i. s 1.o.1 h "' L 1.: h <::! y a I" e doing. Ml~. WELLS : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : ThE! hon. the Leader of Opposi Lion. ' MR. WELLS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr.

SperlkE!r, yes terdEIY in the House I asked the han. the Minister of Rural, Aqricultural and Northern Development iF he IAIOuld cl(;!ny 1::1-w s t.a I:E!ITIC:'I'l Ls attributed to him, or otherwise repud .Lale thHm. He ought: to hE1Ve done onE! or the other, but u.JhE!n he;! stood i.n h"i.s pli:1ce he:1 r·edlly d'id neither. I gave him the bE!rlC:!fj t of thE! . doubt, i'\S r :i.ndj.cat:~:·cl I would, and assumed that he had bOE)I'I rn-i.squoted. '[ hdi.JE! chc~cl<r, !cl the r'E!COrd and I find that h(;! has tndood MR. SPEAKER : Ord<:1r, please! MR. WELLS: I nc~ed l·:o l<:1y a br·:i.~:!F foundatton, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. I have checked the record and I find, tndc,1ed, thaI~ he:1 hr.ls not boc:!n rnisquolE!d. I ask thE! Pl~E!rntE!In now: Would ho repudiate the staternEHlts made by thE! hon. the Minister · of Rural, Agricultural and Northern Developrnont or ask for the mtnistor 1 s rosignatton? MR. SPEAKER: No. 4-3 R2305

The hon. the Premier . PREMIER PECKFORD: 'Mr. Speaker, I·have answerE!d thoSE! questions. As I understand il, the minister was referring to a IA)(;!ll thought OUt plan O( the company to market its produce. Thr:n·e was not: a IAJell thought out plan to try to destroy people in Canada who are into the business. MR. LONG : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the member· fol"' St. John 1 s East. MR. LONC : Thank you. My question, Mr·. ~3peaker, is for MR. WFLLS: Mr . SpoakE!r . MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! I understood the han. the Le!ader of the Opposition sat down. MR.

WELLS: I h a v e no wi s h to c au s e you any E!mbarassmc·Hlt, Mr. Speakr:~r. If I have madE! a mistake, I will pose a further question later. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Thr:~ hon. l~he 1rH:!Inbc~r for SL. John 1 s East . MR. LOI\JC: Thank you, Mr . Speaker . Tho1··e "Ls l.ols oF t:i.mc ·i.n Question Period to go -- <u·ound. 't am ~>l.II"C~ Lho Loadel" of thr:~ Oppos"it.ion d n o t h c,~ r· c h d n c e . L2306 May 25, 1988 !: h f! S h 0 I" ::. have a hon. lhC:~ wJ J 1 gr:~ l~ Uol XL My question i.s Fo1" thr:~ Pr·r:~:;idc,1nt of Treasury Board (Mr.

S:imms), as the minister responsJble For the implementation, in the public sorvice, of the goVE!rnm<;!nl 1 s rnuch lauded pay equity initiative. I WO U 1 d 1 J. k E! t 0 aS k t h B f> r E! S :J. dE! n l: oF Tr·r:1astH'Y Board, iF I could qc,1t. his attE!nU.on MR. DAWE: rhc,1 mi. n .i s tE!r is 1 i ~; bHl:i ng. VE!ry versatile. MR. LONG: HE! is Yes, a very v~1rsat'ilr:1 pE!rson, IAJho we~rs many h~Ls and can listen and talk at the same tJ.me.

I would like to ask the PlnE!SidE!nt o F l h e T r· e cl s u r· y B o <:t r· d -i. f h o c o u 1 d tell the House what intentions the go 'J E! r· n rn o n L h a ~; to d e ''~ 1 1.1.d. L h l.: he issue of pay e•qui.t-:y as it r'E!latE!~:; l ~ o 1.: h c p r· :i. v a 1.: C:l s E! c to i" ? MR. SIMMS: Mr. SpC:1akc.;!r. MR. SPEAKER : Th~;:1 ~lon . l:he Pr'E:ls.iciE!I'lt of l:.hE! Council. MR. SIMMS : I thank the hon . member for his kind words J.n his

preamble . I think he said I was a minister who could walk and talk. PREMIER PECKFORD : And chew gum ~l· !-:he same time . MR. SIMMS: Yes, that is IAJhat it was, and chE!IAJ gurn i:tl the same l:tnw. Mr·. Speaker, with rE!Sp~:!C l: t:o thE! v e I" y i 1 n p or' l:. r:-1 n 1:. 1 n 1:1 t. L: o I" t: h f,, l: L h ''! hon. mr:'rnber· has r'i:d.sed, I pr·~1SUITIE! .i. l. 'L!; corn-i.nq Fr·orn somE! cornmunic<:ltJ.on that hclS I"E!Cently corne to my at:ton·U.on. No. 43 R2306

MR. LONG: No. MR. SIMMS: No? The:1 hon. rnomb<:H' .is not atAicttno of it, he just asked the quesU.on right off the top of his hectd. Ml~. LONG: If you must know, months i:1go. MR. SIMMS: You did not as I< me. he lfli:'IY l·t,:1VE! i:\S kt:H.i he did not ask rne. I asked it Mr. Speaker, somebody e:1lse, ThE! question has been raiSE!d, Mr· . Speaker, about implementation of the policy in the private SE!Ctor.

As you are pr·obably cttA.Jar'E!. by nou.t the government through the statement by tho PremieF of a month or so ago now, addresSE!d thE! implementation of equal pay for wor·l< of E!qual value not equal pay for E!qual tAtor·k, by thE! tAtay, as I heard this morning on one of thE! media ln l: hE:1 public sector. We are presently negotiating presently, at this very moment, literally at this very time - with i."'l.l of l·.·.he unions tA.Jiri.ch tAIOI.Ild be invol1;ed in this particular policy iYII..

UH,1 moment:, bu·l'. tAte iH'C not ;;1'1: Lhi~ point in time planning, we h i'\ v e n o p l i:·\ n o r n o ·i. n t: (:! n t i. o n L o implement it in the private sec l:or·. i·loiAit:1ver, tAlE! do hopo, onCE! tA.J(:1 l'tdVE.~ alJ. 'l:hr:1 matt(~r·s in place tAli t h Ut (~ p u b l i c s o c Lor , t hat t. h ~' private sector may indeed be inb:!resi::ed i.n g(,1i::l..:i.ng involved, and we IAiill have consultation with thr:Hn if that should happ~~n. MR. LONG: ----·-·-Mr. Speaker·. MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon . the l'n(O:~rrtbe:~r for St. John 1 s East. L2307 Mi:<.~y 25, 1988 Vo 1 X I_ MR. LONG: Mr.

Speaker, I IJ.tould lib:' to t;!Sk the minister if we are to take from his anstJJer l:hat pr·:ivate businesses in this Province are not expected in any way by the goVE!t'nrnenl: i:o Foll.otA.J l.ho J.~=!acl L.he goVE!Y'I'lffitHlt ha s taken :i n Ut E! public ~; t:! I" IJ i. c e i'\ n d 1: o 1:. <.·\ k e :i. n ·.i l: i. r.\ t: i. v C:! ~; o n UtEdr OIAtn - MR. SPEAKER : Order', plea(; o! MR.

LONG: I am a s ld n·g t h E! rrd. t·l·i s t E! r i f 1·11::! co'ulcl tell l'.he Hot.ts~~ tAthE!UWr' he does not expect the private sector i:o take ini t i.al".iVE!S to · dE~al tAI:i.l: h inequity amongst male and female employeos in the IAtork force? MR. SIMMS : Mr. SpeakEH ,'. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thc::1 President of the Council . MR. SIMMS: Mr. .

SFH:!ai<E!t', cer·tr.dnly t.1.JO tA.Jo\.iJd hope that the private soctor would i:i:lke the lei:~d ft"Oirt us or· FolJ.otAt our lead, I should say -· but IAH:! do t.~.mnt l.:o hi:~ve a look t:-\l: l.:h:Lnqs closely because, as the hon. lfl~1rnl:)or· no doubt "i.~; <:H•.ti'lr-·e l".h t"OUIJh his rc:!search ·- cHid hE! is, by ti'H'! IAtdy, one of Lho b~:!st pr·~:!par-·\: !cl members in this House, I would suspc::1cL ,?Of•1_E:_ HOi~-l .• ,_M E;f!,B EB..§: HE!ar, hear! MR. LONG : You are still going Lo get another question. MR.

SIMMS : t.hat in Ontarto, t;,thE!rE! pay (O:~quil:y, or· equal pay for e qual work of equal value was No. 4.3 R230'7

implemented by legislation, i.ncl.ud"i.ng tho pl"l.Vdl.:e secl..or· l::hcl-1: at u,~~ PI"IO~Sfi:Hlt time thert:~ arE! a lot of pr·obl.~w1s wJ th i l, and we · havE.~ beE.~n told ·that by union h~ ad e r' s <Hl d u UHH' p eo p 1 "~ IAii t h L h o private sector. So we are not has t-:i.l y mov :i ng in that eli r·o c !·:ion at this stagE:~. But CE!rtainJ.y, one~::~ Llle get c,~verything in place, Llle would hope that the private sec tor IJJou ld c ertai nl y lao k at this parU .cular policy. BecausE!

I believe, and the government believes it is perhaps onE! of thE! most sJqniFicanl: soc.l.dl pol.icy policies brought into this Pr·ovince by any govt:H'nment, and .it is something that we,~ ar·e ve1~y pr•ot.lcl of and we think t:he pr·:i.r; H te s E! ctor' should follow suit. MR. LONG: A final supplenwntar·y, Ml". SpE!ai<E:1r. r·~R. SPEAi<Fi~: A final supplementary, Lhe han. t h c rn t:~ m I:H:! I" f o r' S l . :r o h n ' s E a s t-. . MR. LONG: Mr.

SpE:1aker, J ask would the minister, in view of the broctd recognition of the importance of th:l s iss ur:~, tr:~ 11 l:hr:' House hotAJ hE! i nb,~ nd s to de!al with the rE!ques t Fr·om U1 (:~ PrE! ~dd "~ nt of the BotH'd oF Trade, who also wants to deaJ. with this impol"tant :issue, and lAJhethE!r the minister will bE!gil1 somr:~ kind of cons u1 tat i v t:~ p r· o cess IAli l: h L h c;! Boar·d of Trade which obvtously is h a v i 11 g do a 1 in g s tAd t h the .i r· OL\111 members 011 this :issue? MR. SPEflKFR: The hon. l:hro1 Pr·c~s-J.dE!nl. of thE~ Council.

Mr~. ~HMMS : M r· . ~3 p o a I< er· , rnemb~:!l" sdid r' o f (~ r' r' :i. n q 1.·. o I r'fi:~Ct:Hltly T 1.: h o t.l g h t l: he no , hE:~ u.1a s d comnn.ln·i . ci'll:.·'ion r't:'ce:lvE:~d, but hon. not i.:hn t he 1..2308 Mdy 25, 1908 · Vol XL obviously is, and that Js 0 b lJ :i. 0 l.l S J. y IAJ h elf.: S Ed: 1.1 fl l:.i-W IAJ h 0 1 B line of questions. And that -J.s why · .I asl<E!cl h:i.rn t:lt th(~ bE!gJnn:ing if that is tAlhat hE! !Alas rE!fE!rring to. BE:1Ci:\US(! I ql.l'i l:E:~ rr·ani<l.y I t:hat-. is a cornrnunicatJ .on tA.th:i.ch I rece:i.ved Five minutes to three, thirty rninutE!S ago, frorn l:hE!

P r· 101 s .i d E! n 1:: o f l.: h E! B o a r d o f T r· a d E~ . I think in all fairness and in doing things proper·ly, onE! should respond to that individual, the :individual representing the Board of TradE!, bE,forE! I rE:1spond l:o Uw h () n . rn E! rn b E! In . I L lAl () u l. d n 0 l: b E! v (;! ,~ 'i c'ourtE!OUs to rE!Spond to his lE!l·:tE!r t hr·ou 9 h l: he ho n. tTIO!IIbl'l r for· ~:) t .. John's East, who is, after all, unablE:! Lo tAJr:llk, t<:~l.k, t;pit., ancl chew gum at the sarne ~irne. f"'R. SPEA:<F~R : Or·deln, plei.'ISE:~! MR. ~~ELLS: Mr. SpE:H:lh1r. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. -l::ht:1 of l::hE!

OpposiU .on . MR. WELLS: I have another question For the han. the Premier, Mr. SpeakE!r', and .it relates to the hon. the Minjster for Rural, Agriculture and Nort.I1E:H'n DeVE!lopment. In view of the fact that IAlhen that minister made the statement that it t.~Jas a VE:'ry tMe11 thought out p 1 an hE! Lila s spec :if i c a 11 y r· E:! f E! r· ring t:o h·:is J.ntont·.:ion nE'!Xl: yodr' Lo haVE! fewer producers of cucumbers, lAlOI.Il.d ·l·.hr:! Pr·orwi.c:!r notAl i:'tS k thE! minister to repudJate that ~; 1:. <" 1.: o rn o n 1.: or· r· (~ s J g n h ·i. s of F ·.i. c C'! ?

He !Alas clearJ.y referring to putl ·.i.ng l:ho~;e Pl"oducer·s oul:. of bus:inE!SS. PREMIER PECKFORD : 1\Jo. '~3 R2308

Mr . Speaker . Ml~ . SPEAI<Ef~: ThE! hon. thr:~ PREMIER PECKFORD: No, Ml". Speai<E!r . MR. SPfJli(Ef~: Th~~ hon . the rrH:Hnb~~r for Bonc:tvista ~JOin Lh. MR. LUSH : Min, Spl':'lf..lkE:H' 1 th"~ MJn-1~; LE:~r· (MI", B1"r:1tt). I h~ve a question for o f M l.l n :i. c "'i. p r.\ l. ~ r (~ H ·i. r· s Ov~::H' Lho pa~;t coupl.E! oF d,:~y~; th<;!ro hav<,~ bE:1en a fE!W announcr:HnE:~nts C\pp(,~c:·\r'ing fr·orn I'IIE!rrtbOI"S oppos:it.e suggesting that they will be g ~:!t t:. in g tA.kl bH' cl nd s etAJE! r· C\ nd r·oad PI"OjE:~cts. To my knowledge the!re has been no publJc announcement.

I IAJondr,!r can the mtnistE!r ve1"ify that, thE!re has bE!E:1n no publ.-.ic announcement, or have members oppos-.itr:1 been secrE!tly irrfor·rnE!d about who is going to bE:~ ge!tting these municipal capital works projr:~cts? . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the MinistE!r of Municipal Aff.:\ir:;. 1'-11~. Bi~F.:TT : Mr. Sp~~ak~~l", I arn noL atJ.mr·e oF any Rnnouncernent:s lnade.

Tha{ · i.~; nol:. to say t h a t U1 E:l y havE:~ not: beE~ n 1naclo, butt do not. s·i.t c:<tll dr.1y 1 j_ S t EHI'i 1'1 g 1: 0 t: h e I" ad i 0 0 I" a 11 •• , ·i •.• ,,, !- 1 I I. ':J I I ~- r ...... , ,. .... -: ,. ... .. : ...... #+t 1 .. ~.;:; .t. ,;: '.1 I , ~:'1 I. '-..~ I I listen:ing to "Open L·.inE!11 • I am busy 1:111 d.:·1Y long. 3o J.t :i.:; possible, I suppose, that an c\nnouncelnf:!nl ha~; boon IIIC~do.

IL .is a 1 so con c e iva b 1 e:~, I wo u 1 d s u g g e s 1:, that. since Cablnel h~s t.o dual with the capital works that Cab-:inE!t m':inister'~' lAJould l<notAI tJJhat is approved and IJJhat j s not approved. So there is nothing L2309 May 25, 1988 Vol XL secretive or underhanded sincE! this i s an issuo that Ca bi 1'1Cc1 t deals with anyway. MR. LUSH : A ~;upplotn(~ntar·y, Mr. SpE~ak<;!r' . MR. SPEAKER: ~ sup p lt~ ntE! n t .:1 l" y , 1:: h c:! h on . l::hE! member for Bonavisla North. MR. LUSH: ~·1 r· . ~3~)(;1 1:1 k C! r· , t-11 o n d r.H' :i F l.: h f:! minister· can indicatE! l.11hy UrE! dol;:~y?

Tt ·is i"'lr'oddy nor_.~.J "' monl:.h and a half long<,1r than last YE!c'l.l", ,,-;full. month and 1:1 hcillf. MR. SPEAKER: Or·d(:H', pJ.(~c\S(:~! MR. LUSH: Can the minister indicate, Ml". Speaker, why the p r· o c r· as t: :in at ·ion , why tl'w dE!J.ay? MR. SPEAKER: The hon . th(;! M:in.istE!Y' of Mun·.icipa1 Affairs . MR. BRETT: ThE11"8 is no dE!lay, Ml". SpeakE!Y'. I <!tdv'isE!d UH~ hon. l'fl('!lrtbE!Y' just a fr:~w days ago that I would be iHl no 11 n ci. n 9 v E! r· y s h o r 1: l y 1:: hE! capital projects.

I indical::ed 'i:hi'\l: T lAIOl.IJd l.:db"'.C! l~h(:!rrt in 't.he House, and that will be done as soon c\ ~' :i. L ··i. :; r· t:! d cl y . MR. LUSH : A fincll supplemE:~nl:ary, Mr·. SpE!ab:!r' . MR. SPEAI<Er~: A f·.i.nr1l supplortlf~nLdr'y, l::h<:! hon . the member for Bonavista North. MR. LUSH : Mr·. Spf~i~ker·, I c~skt:!d thE! 1nin:ist:.er' tJJ h a t h a p p E! n E! d t o l h E! g o v E! r· rHn (! n t 1 s policy oF pre - tendering. I say ag<:lin J. ·l: :i.s a month and cl haJ f' delayed from last year. No. 43 R2309

MR. SPE~KER : Or·d~H' I ple:~i'.lSE:~! MR . LUSH; So whctL h~s hctppened Mr~. SPEAKER: Ot"det" I pleaS~!! I I'H:tVE! l:o dr•atAJ UH:~ hon . rnr::~mber· 1 s attention to the fact that hE! was be:dng excessivE:~ly J.ong 'in h'.is first supplementary and certainly far too long on . that last occasion. So if the hon. ITIE!rnb~!r h a s a v E:1 r y · b r· i e:~ f f i n a 1 supplemE!I'ltaryl I would ask ~drn to posr:~ it . MR. LUSH: Mr . Speai<E!r, I ask the m:inister : Why Lhe cle:~lNy? If thel"(~! -i.~; furthE!r dl':! lay I there:1 is go'.ing to b(~ no IAJor·k Lo 'l:.i'\kE! pl<:tcc:! -in th-i.! ; construction season.

Ml~. MATTI·! FW~:>: H (.;! i s 0 LJ t 0 f 0 I" d I:H' . MR. SPUli<FR: Or·d E-n', p] I:Hi -S e:~! MR. BRETT: Hr:~ asked that . MR. SPEAKER: That is c.:~xactly the sam~~ qu(~stion as was as I<E!d bE!for·e that in thE! supple:Hn~!ntary. MR. EFFORD: Mr . SpeakE!r . MR . SPEAKER: T he:~ hon . Uw meml:l~!r for· Por· t de Gr·ave. MR. EFFOIW : Thcll'lk yot.11 Mr. Sp,,~al<er · . My question M:irdstel" of iHl d You t h ( M t ' . ts dir8cted to the Culture, Recreation B 1.1 t L) .

I IAJO 111 d ask L2310 May 251 1988 Vo1 XL tho uri.n·i.si:.c:!r' · hH!; h ·v; ci(~p<H"Lrrt~!nt ~eceived the report that was c o l'llfll :i !; :; :i. on c,~ d by h ·.:L s d ('! p c' r· t 1 n E:! n l:. back in Febr·uar·y I and lAJas suppo~~(: ! to bo ·i.n by l : h'~ end of March, c on c e r n :i. n g the a c c· e s d. b :i. 1 :i t y of our prov'.incictl parks to the handicapped of this Province? .f:::1_FL s P E .0.JS..f;:_~ : ThE! han. thE! MtnistE!Y' of CuJtur·e, Recreation and Youth. MR. BUTT: Mr . SpE!aker·, I tAJilJ. haVE! to takE! that undc,~r· advis(:!rnent. I arn not sure of that.

If thE! hon. · rrwrnbE!Y' had called me earlier I would certainJ.y have had the informat'.ion f o r h t rn . B u l:. I tAr:i. 1. l h a v <'! t o l: a k ''! it as noU.ce notAl and gE··t back to him in a matter of mi nutes. MR. F.:FFOFW: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . Mf~. SPEAKER: The hon. the member for Port de Grd\J c . M.R. EFFORD: Th:i.s pr·ess r·elr:~a!;E! 1 this -i.nfot"rni'\t.:i.on hE!I"(:~ sctys vc~!Y'IJ cl.(~C\I"ly that it uJas suppoSE!d to bE! to thE! Mi.nls l:E!r' 1 s dl:!par·trnent by ' the end of Mar· c h . I a s k c a rn t h e rrri n 'i s t E!l'' assur·e UH:!

House of As~;r~rnbly and thE! pE!OplE! of· this Provj neE• that th(,~ pr·ivatE:~ sect:or·, IAJh:ich J.s go:i . ng to hold concessions :i.n thE! park s , lAJ:i.l.l bu·.iJ.d bui.J.dings, or· IAJhat:evE!Y' they · arE! going to use, l:hat w:i.1] be accessible to the handicapped and the disabled of this Province? MR. SPEAKER: The:1 han . the Minisl·:E!r of Cult:utnE!, RecreNt:i.on and Youth . MR. BUTT : Mr· . S p e <:' k C! r· , r· h r::t.v C! l. C! d r· nrc! d v c;! r· y quickly · to accept: what the hon . member s ays with a grain of sa lt. No. 43 R2310

Let me say this, that the proposaJ.s that ar·e coming in from the private sector will be carefully assessed by a very cornpet~~nt gr·oup o·F civil S(!ruants, at the dirE!Ctors level, and thE!Y tA.d.ll adviso rn~~. i'lS rnin:isb:!r, oF the proposals they see as best for a particular park. Who is build :ing buildings in provlnciR1 parks? that this dcty. T do ned:. !<notAl SOMF HON. MEMRFRS: Nobody knotAIS! MR. BUTT: The tail iG wagging the dog: MR, EFFORD: A supplementary, Mr. Spea!<or . MR. SPEAKER: A finaJ. suppiementary. MR.

EFFORD: The attitude of the the other side is We are talking handicapped having to provincial parks. MR. SPEAKER: Or·der, plc,~as~~! MR. EFFORD: minis hH'S on unbelievable! about . the accessibility I lAIO u 1 d a s I< g 1.1 i'H' a n l r::' e thE! m'inisUH' will hE! t:ho d"i.sabl.E!cl, ~~'JE!n though hf:~ 'is not awctre of the r~1por·l: SOMJ: HON. MFMBFr~:3 : Oh, oh! MR. SPf.(.)I<ER: Or'df:~ln, pl.er.·u;e! Ml~.

EFFOfW: WilJ. he gucH'iH1tE!E! thE! handicappE!d of 1: h J s P r' o v i n c r::~ t: h c!l l a n y conCE!SSion sti:u1ds or· any buildi.ngs placed in provincial parks as a L2311 May 25, 1988 Vol XL res ull".: ·of the net~o.l tc,HHhH's I·H,~ just c a J. J. e d wi J. J. be a c c e s sib 1 e l o thE! handi.cappE!d of l:".h·is Pr·ovoincr,,? WiJ.l i1E! guarantE!e that VE!Y'Y cl~~c:\rly? MR. SPEAKER : The hon . the Minoister of Culture, R<,~cr<H'ILi.on c:~ncl Youth. MR. BUTT: F'i.r·st of all, Min. Spoi:·lketn, I ctln gain~ to have to look at Lhe p r· 0 p () s i'\ l s -1:. hi:·\ -1:. c 0 Ill(! "i. n b (;! c r:~ Ll s ('!

I do not know iF there are any p r' 0 p 0 S '" 1. S -1:. h i:\ 'l:. lAJi. J.l I" (;! Cj Ll .i I" E• accessibility by the · handicapped. l3ll t: 1 r.11r·· , ~3peClk(!J" 1 t.h · i.~; gover•nmen t. takes no back step to anyon"!, or n o b a c I< cl o o r· 1: o d n y o n <~ c:'' b o u I~ IAI h a 1: we have done For handicapped p '~ o p l e , d n d w h r.t t IAJO tAli 11 b o do _L n q for hand'icapped p<:!oplE!. I sug~]E:1st. t. h e h o n . rn ~~ rn b o r· f o r P o r· l:. d ~~ G I" C.'l v r'! stop playing politics with handicapped people, because that is E!XactJ.y what hE! is do:i.ng i·wr·<:! today. MR. GULLAGE: Mr.

SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKER: The hon. lh<~ ·for Waterford-Kenmount. Ml~. GU L LAGE : Mr. Spe<:ikE!Y', a quE!stion to lhE! Minister · of FlnRnce (Mr. Windso1~). Given his s tatE!lTH~ nt oF i':\ COIIP l. (;! 0 r week!:: d90 on pE!rlS ions For part-time workers, could he <'!XpldJn lo lhe Hou~;o hotAJ Ll"i:l nsf'et"S . can be rnadE! f1norn a rnonE:!y pur·chaSE! t: y p C! 0 f' p E! 1'1 ~; J. 0 n p l d 1'1 , i:'l ~; p I" 0 p 0 S (;! d , ov~H' to a un::i.l·: b~~nE!fi t. typlo! .... an en L'i. r·o l,y c:l ·i.

F F <~ r'(o! nt. l:.y pE! and hotAI that transf~~r of ct~E!d:it~; CiH1 takE! pl.i:~ce when c:1n utnploy(:'E'! on a par·t ·-time bc-:tsj s rnc~kE!S the mouE~ to fuJ.l ·time si:c.ltus? f"'R. SPEAKER: No. 43 R2311

The hon . Uw Mi.n-LsteH' ol- F·i.l'li'll'lCCo~ . Mr~. WINDSOf~ : M ,~ . S p E! a I< or· , t hE! f i n a 1 d eta i l s of lhRt pldn ctro yol to be worked out., but Jt "is s:ln1ply a mmtte1" of a money pui~chd!>O pl.t.-Hl, ct 1: l:.h(:~ ond of a pnt":iod of contr·ibut:ion hclving a u~rldin i":\IIIOUnt of monE!Y r.-u:crtH!d :i.n its account, and at that po:l.nt .i.n t.i111o, I IAJould msst.trrH~. th<~tt amount of· money would be USE!d to p u r· c hac; E! p r· .i or· y ~~a r· s s u r· p 1 u s , which c~n be done with any pension plan that we now ~ave in the Public Ser·vicc~~. MR. GULLAGE l A supplementary, Mr.

Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the For Waterford-Kenmount. .r"m. GU L lrl.Qs: ThE.~ rE,ason fol" my qUE!stion is th~:~ d.i.ff:i.cul.l:y tAdlh r.1 rnone:~y pt.tr·chase typ~:~ of plan is you do not have credits on ~ final. ctuerage or final E:H'lrn:i ng s. MR. ~3PEAKER : Ordei", plr:H~SE:~! MR. GU L I_ ACE: So on-~(inc!l l':~ar·nings bc.--ts:is with the exisl:ing plan, how can you possibly transfer over money p lH' c has (~ c r E:~ d t 1: s ? I l: j u s 1: c iHl not be done. MR. BAirW: It will bus i rH:1 s s . not put you out: of Do not worry about il:. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance . . MR.

WINDSOR: That is the same qUE!Stion, c cl n o n 1 y g ""i. tJ o l.: h e s d 1r1 E! a n s 1.~1 E! r . thl':' end of a per:iod of tirrl(,~, hav'~ a Cl':~rt:c:d.n r:'IIIIOIHl"L of so I (l 1:. you c a~; h L2312 Ma.y 2S, 1988 Vol XI... f.\CC:rl.iOc:l ·i.n your' i:\CCOUI"li.:, t:1nd thE!I'l, instead of purchasing ctn anoui l:.y, IAJh :i. c h J s L ho no r'lfld l p1no c r,~d u 1"0 us ~:!d with a money purchase plan, I IAJ o 11 l cl 1:1 :; ~; 111 n c-:~ L h a 'i:. 1.11 ~=! s :i. rn p 1 y purchase pre-prior service, which does haue certa:in benof.its atl:.achE!d to it., and i:J.ny ITI(!Ilib(~r· of OUI" Pub1-Lc ~)(=!r'v -i. ce Cr'tn pur·chi'l~;r:' prior service by simply pay:i.ng both parts of tho conl:r.ibut.i.ons .

It is qujte simple. M R . G U L LAG E. : A final supplc-:~mc-:1ntar·y, Mr·. SpE!aker· . MR. SPEAKER: (l final supplr:~rnentar·y . ~_!L__g U L!-_, A G S, : Would the Minislor of Finance- MR. SPEAKER: The hon. ITIE!mber is f"i.nfll st.ipplelnontr:1r'y MR. GULLrlGE: lrdith a quest".ion. MR. SPEAKER: by nl~:,nt:ion".ing F·inance. T ask question. Mf~. GU L LACE: thE! Minister· of h i. rn L o p o S E! h .l. s Is the fact that the exist:ing plan ~i a s -L n <:'t d o q u <'I l: e f u n cl '"i. n g t h e r' ('! a s o n that a money purchase plan ls b 0 i 1'1 9 J l'l ll" 0 d U C (! d lA I h ::i.

C h IAI :i.J.l 1"1 0 1: give final average earnings and an adequate ponsion to those part-tirne workers? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the M:inistE!r of Finance. MR. WINDSOR: Absolutely not, Mr. Speaker. There :is absoluLely no r'E!lationshJ .p bt'tween thE! tw). The rnonc;,y pui"ChdsC:! pl.dn :i.s dee1ned by out" pi"OfE!SSionaJ. adv:isor·s as I:Hd.n~r · l:.hc,1 J.:ype of plc:·1n rnosi:. r'.lppr'opr'ia I:E! No. 43 R2312

for persons who have part-time, seasonal. short-term, temporary type E:1mpJ.oymE!I'lt, so that t:hey can accrue benefits in that manner. The type of programme that is applicable for a permanent sort of employee is not appropriate for par·t-time or .LE!rnporary pE!Ople, and is thE:~ l: ype of pli.'ln used 'in private enterprise for such people. ~R. ·SIMMS: Thr:1 hon. IIlt~lfii:HH' s ho1.1l.cl l:w awi:H'~~ of thcl t. MR. SPEAI<EI~ : ThE:1 hon. thE! mc-:~mber for SLc~phorw i.ll.E~. M R . I< . A Y I.WA IW : · rhc~nl< you, Mr· . Spee~l<er· . I havE:! a question ·for · the Minister of l..c:~bo1.11n (Mr·.

Blr:\nchc!l"cl). Tho Minister of Labour, a few weeks ago, announced dn inclnE~ase "i.n the mtnimum 1.vage, and he also said it c a 111 e a s a r E~ s u 1 t o f t h o r· c,~ p o r· ·t presented to him by the Labour Standards . Board. I would l .. il<e to know is he going to be making that report by Lhe boi.,lrd publ..ic tn the very near future? MR. SPEAKER : ThE:1 hon. Lhe Minister of Labour . MR. BLANCHARD: Mr· . SpeakE:1r·, just prtor to coming to Lhe House I had m discussion 1.viLh my Deputy MintsLer·, and very shor·l:l.y Lhc;! r'E!Sl: of t:h<·ll: r·c~por·t should b(":~ rnad'--=~ pui:JJ.ic. Ml~. 1<.

AYLWARD : 'T'hr~l i: -i. ~; good. MR. FENir>lTCI<: Ml'' . Spc,1a k C'!l" . MR . SPEAI<fR : T h e h o n . L h c~ rn E:1 rn b o r· f o r· M (:1 n i h o !< • L2313 May 25, 1988 Vo1 XL MR. FENWICK: A supplemE!ntary, actually, to the Ministe:1r of Labour on that particular theme. There were a large number of other recornrnE!ndations in j t. ThE:: Hlin'.istE!r' lriE:lnt.-i.ol·wd, back :in Mc:'li" Ch, that the i n c rea s e i n the rrd n :i rn u m wage would occur, I beliov~, on A p r i l 1, but t he r e we r e a IAJ h o 1 E:! bunch of othor· r·~:!cormnE!ndat:ions that the Cabinet would be deciding on.

Could t:.he 1n·i.rd:; LE!r g'i.v<,1 us an in d i c·a t ion of w hi c h of L hE! s C::' o l: h ~'! r rE~co,nrn~:!ndi~\tJ . on~; "i.n 'l:.he r·epol " l: i:ilr'e abciui.: l:o COIIIO fOI"IAlc::H'd? . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Labour . MR. BLANCHARD: Mr·. :3p<~mkc~J~, IJ.Jhon l.:h('! r'E~pol·'l:. i.t~ dE!alt IJ.dth it. It is a Fair'l.y E!~hdusi·.-:i.lJf::! s l: udy, and so1nc;! oF thE! r E! co rnm C::1 n d a t ~Lon s had :imp j n g E! d on the Chmrl.:er of Rights and lhe legaJ.ities of thE:!SE! had to be lool<~~d i.n Lo. lha t has nolAJ ber:!n completed, Mr.

Speaker, and all the res l: oF l:h<::1 . r·c:.~comme::1ndations will be dealt with in the very nE:lar fu l".:ur·e::1. MR. FENWICK: Mr. Spc-::aker. MR. SPEAKER: A Final supplementary . MR. FENWICK : My supplementary to the M·i n :is t: E! Y' Cif l..clbOI.II" i.s thi.s. I s L h<::! · Minister of Labour going to "i.rnple1nont . ;:·\ chi:lnge "i n the mini1nurn wage for doiTIE!Stics, 1.vhich thE! rn:i.ni. s l:o1" knoiAJS ·i.s · ~;r·:!lJor·•:·ll do.lliili"S less than the minimum wage for Lhe g (:: I'HH' i~l l IAJO r• k 0 Y' S ? A I" E!

IAH:1 CJ 0 'i. 1'1 g l:. 0 see an elimination of that minirnum IAJi.'lgE! l:.o br·'i. nq :i.L 11p Lo the (>r:t1n1:• standard as everybody els es in soc:ic,1ty? No. 43 R2313

MR. SPEAKER: The han . tGe Minister ~f Labour . MR . BLANCH(.)RD: T h c::~ ho n . Hl~'!lllb e r· ough t:. ~l. o k noiAJ t hi:\ 1: that IAJ'.il1 not bE:! announcc::~d thr·ough l.hE! Hot1so. itllh ~~n J:h,:-\1.: decJsJ.on -Ls rnetciE:) a staternE!I 'lt tAii11 be:~ rnr.u:Jc,~ by IIIE!, Mr. Sp e ake:! I~, <Hld I·H,~ IAJi."'.l ki'lOI1.J in duE~ course:~. MR. W. C()RTER : M r· . S p e et I< E! r . MR . SPEAKER: The:~ hon. thE! for· TlAJi lli nga ·te. MR. W. CARTER : My question gOE!S to the MJ.niste!r of Fishr:~ries and :U: concE!.r'rlS 'l.: I · H,~ Rose Ting plant problem in St. Lawrence, Lawn and that ar·ea.

According to press reports, Mr. S p E~ a I< E! r , t. h e r~ o s c::~ T .i. n g c o rn p <:'' n y owe:~s fishermE:!n in the arr:~a in l::hr:~ r·epor·l:. i.l: Sr!IIJS Rod Hdl"bour· on the Bur·in Peninsula about $90,000 for l:he purchase::~ of fi.~;h, I p. resurnc,~, lump roe, and so on. I IAJonder coi .Jl.d the,~ rni.n :i. si:.c:! Y' i:.e.ll i:hr·) HousE.~ J.f hE~ :is awi:lrE:~ of UtClt etnd 'i.i" he hi"'s ti'lkon <::tny .::tct'.i.on 1: o ' ensurE:~ that the~ f ·i~;herrnen in that M't:~R i:H' e compensated by. l:ho comp<ilny? ~L SPEAI<EI~: fhe hon . the Minister of Fishories . MR . RIDEOUT : Mr·.

Speaker·, the minister i s not CIIAii:'H'E:~ of l.:ha 1.:, MR. W. CARTER : A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKEr~: A---·supplE!.montar·y, the hon. the member for Twillingate. MR . W. CARTCR : Mr. Speake I", I lAJonder, l:hE:~n, 1.\Jould L.2 3 J.ll. Me:·\ y 2 5 , 1. 9 8 H · Vol. XI .. t:.hE~ rnini .s l·:(;!r Cd.re -Lo find out if, in fact these are Mrs. Ting's IAIOI"dS; i·l:. 'is 1'101.: hOi:\I"SC\Y or· r'I,IHIOr' that is l:hE:~ CClse, and, if so, t: h n n 1~1 :i.

J l. h E~ 1.1 n d e r 'l: d k E~ l.: o do IAI h a l:: hE! can, as rn'in'istc;!r', t.o c,~nsUI"E! thc1l : !.:he~ 1-i s hel"rnen up l.:he t"C'! g('! l: paid for their catches? r1!t,_ SPE_AKER: The hon. thE! M:inis bo!r' of Fish E!r'iE!S . MR. RI DEOUT: Mr. Speaker, rny understanding i s that Mr·s. TJng has said publ .icJ.y, as late as today, that shE! ha s thE! rnone y in a par· l:'i cul.a r· bank :i.n l: ht:! d .ty to pay the:~ fishermen for any p u r· c h a s E! s t h a. t s h (,~ h a s rna d r:• , b u t. I wiJ.l bE! happy to as I< for furthN' -:i.nfor·mal:.ion on the IA.Jhole Htdt:tt ;!l", Mr·. Speaker. MR.

BAKER: Mr . Spc,'t'.ll< E! I" . MR . SPEAKER : The hon . the member for Gander . MR. BAKER: rhdnk 1)01.1' Mr· ' Spc;!ii\kE!Y'. T. h d lJ e ,;, q 1.1 r,~ s t :i. on for l:. h (;! Premie:~r . Yesterd<~IJ I a s kE!d if hE! IAIO 1.1 J d I"(~ q I. I (:! c; 1: 1:: h r:\ 1:. 1': h (~ FE! cl e r· a 1 government investigate the tiJO Ch(:\n i. srn . IAJht::'Y'E!biJ Ci;\p'i.l':. <::tl Canada was appo:inhH~ i.'l.S fiscal agE!I'll For· the sale of Terra Nova T e l because of ce -rtain I1(!IAJS stor·iE!S that have b e o n I" c~ J. o r\ s c;! d t n 1:. h E~ 1 a s l:. IAI e ''! k o r· so.

The Pl~em:iE!r answ E!r E!d thcd: h E• d-Ld not: havt~, I bc,~l. :i . c;!vE: !, t'i1nr:~ l: o do rny job for rne, or something li.kE! that. I would ·ask the PrE!I'fliE!r : Is th e r·e<:·ll r·r:~ r.\son that LhE! Pl"E:~rnir:!r 1.1rl.ll not ask for this J.nvesttgation thE! f d c t t h d t f~ o b E! r· l: F o s t: E'! r· .i. s a l s o a fund raiser for the Premier and for the prov'i.ncial Tory Party? .......... 1\Jo. 'I·~ R23li.J.

MR. SPEAI<E.R: T he hon. l:hc~ Prol'niE:~r . PREMIER PECKFORD: . --No, Mr·. SpE!a.k e r . That is Jncor·rec l:. .f:'I.L_T U l,_)S : Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : rhe hon. l:hr:~ lnE!Irtbr:~r for· Fogo . MR. TULK: I have a question for the Minister of Just.ice :! (Ms UE!r·gc,~). ()bout t.'l IAH:H~k ago t:her·e Wi3.S a rE!por•t ccHT-.ied i. n one of t he l.oc;::tl pr:'lpE!r~; that the !>E:~rvices of the~ Justice,, Dep~rtmont to Fogo Tsland would bo s 1.1·f Fe r· "i n g d s .:., r e i;- 1 1ll: o F t h c~ c u l: b "' c k i. n h e l -:i. c o p 1.: C!

I" s e r· lJ i c o ~; 1.: o Uw island IAJhE.~rt:~by Mag:isl:l"al:es, Judgt:~S c'\S l:hC;!y di"E! nOIAJ Ci:~ll(HI, 9E!i: 'l. o thE:~ is1i:~nd qu::i.ckJ.y and geL b a c k . II a s 1:: h o rrri. n J :; l:fn· I" t'! c Ed lJ o d anythJ.ng at ii.~ll sc1y:ing that that will indeed be the case, that court services to Fogo Island will suFFer as a result of thal cutback? MR. SPEAKEf~ : ThE! hon. the Minister of JusticE! . . MS UERGE: Mr. Spt:~akE!r, I haVE! not rr:~cE!iUE!d any such :indication Fr·o1n judges or lawyers or· anyone in the Fogo Isli:tnd artH'l. Whal:.

I hc.wr:~ r•eC(dve~ d is an indicat:ion fr·om the Associate Chief Provincial Judge in the budget process that this mc~asut~E! tMoul.c! bE! :i.n !::ho .i.n"\.:(~!"est oF t:h<~~ (,~conorny tAJ".iLhout advt:'r·se,~ly a r F (;! c L·. t 119 I -L n (fll'l y IAJi'\ y ' pI"()

l) J n c :i. d J. court services on Fogo Islclnd. I ~;hould pooiiTI. OIJt "l..hdt th(~l"e,~ ·.is F u n d ""i. n q c o n Li. n 11 e cl F o r' h E:! l .i. c o p 'I ·. e r' chctl"t:E~I"~; :in ~ ; pec :iaJ. cir·curns Lancr:~s, IAJ h e n t r "' 1; e 1 b y r o d cl "' n d Fe I" I" y lAJOt.iid not be,, ft:'as :ibl. E!. All Cr•ot~m "' L 1.: o r· n e y s c~ncl clofonso l CIIAJ'j tO! r· S L2315 May 25 ,· 19 a a Uo1 XL appearing in pr·ovinc".i.al court, IAJ.hen l".he cour·t ""is on cii"CLI"il: on Fogo Island, have not used h c,~ l.i c o p l: e:! r· s a s i\\ g e~ n <::! r· a 1 r· u 1.

E'! , a n d ust~al1y di~Jve and USE! t:he f~:!ri"Y. T h C\ 'l: h d s p I" o u c::~ n q u J. l: e~ s a L :i s ·f a c t. o r· y for rnmnbE!rS of thE! bar· and should bE!, as :indJ .caLocl by LhE! A ~; s ocialE! Chief Provincia] Judge, quite s a L·. J. s fa c t: o r· y F o r· l:: h e~ P r o v i n c :i a l Court judges who serve Fogo Island. MR. SP"EAKER : Ordco!r, pl(~C\SC'!! The~ l:.:i.lrtCO! for· Or·,,,} qu(;!sl:.ions hct~:; elapsed. Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees Mf~. ~:>PEAKE I~ : ThE!r'E! is onE! r·e:!pOI"t l tAJoulcl J.".i.kE! l.:o pr·esl!nl. Il: oi.:; pur·suanl:. l:.o

Section 29, SubsecU.on 1 oF l:h(:! Parl. :i.arn(:!ni.:di"Y Con1m . .i. s s "i.onE'!Y' (Ombudsman) Act . I arn plE!aSE!d to say I h<.W EJ l"<~~ceive:~d th r:~ 13th Annual Report of thE! Par·licunE!ntary Co rrmri s s i o n e I" F o r· t h E! C a 1 t:~ n cl a r· Y t::! c.-1 r· 1 9 8 7 , and I 1 a y i t o n t . hE! TablE! of lh(~~ HOUSE:~ . MR. TULK: Mr-;-~ Spe:~aker . r-1R. SPEAKER : A point of ordel", the:! hon . thE! rnornber· for Fogo. MR. TUL.!< : Ml".

Spea ·l<er·, I d:i.d no 1: l" : i ~ ; e clur ::i.nq q ll e s t. ion P (!I" ·i o d L o r· i'\ "i. ~:; n a F u I" t: hE! r· po:i.nt of orde~r lAJhE!n thr::~ Gove:!I"I'Hllent l ' IOII"~;c,~ l.c,HHier· r'o~;(:! on iYI po -L nt. of pJ":iv"ilE!ge and conve:!n:i~:!ntly cut:. o·FF 1·.1"1 (! lfl (! rn b (! l" r 0 I"' l. llC'! ~3 l,:r-"' i. L 0 F B C! 1 1. ('' Isle:~ (MI~. Dt,!CkeH'). I I.~JiHlL Lo l:'l~ > SIIr ' e i:.h<·\1: s ornc:! l:: h ··ing do es not hclppE!I"l in l:h:is Hou ~ ;E! l:hc1t I t.:hink lll.i 9 h 1.: l) 0 Y' 'j _ IAH:~ l l I:J E! :i. 1"1 1:: (!I" Y' Up [;, (! d d S No. 43 R2315

in that tAJay dU(:1 i:o thr:'lt poJnt of order· that was raisE:1d by .the Govf?.rnrnonl HousE~ l .. ec:ld(;lr. And thc:-1-L i :. , hi s r E! f e r· E:HI c f:1 to 8 e au c he s n E! on p a g (~ 1 3 2 , So c-L i o n 3 5 9 , t~llri. c h ~; ~ 1J ~; : 11 ( 10) A qUE!Stion ought not to r·ef< '!Y' t:o r:l sl:.ctt(~rnont rnc::td<~ Ol.ll:si.r:lc t h c H o us(;! by a M:i n is tc~11" . " A ~; 1J o u r· c i.·1 d B (~ c:\ 11 c h o ~; n C:! , i. f IAJ c 1~1 e r· (~ ·to foJ 1o1Al his lin(;! of l"eason:i.ng, l.:l·wn tho GOl)(!!rl'lHHHlt l-IOliSr'l l .. o<:--u:ler· is oxaclly correct. As Your Honour wi.

J 1.. k n OIAJ, "i. n l: h 'i. s Legis1atur'E:1, fii"St of all, the first PI"OC(~d(:11'l'L: Fo1" I"Ul(:!S :is g-i.ven to the Standing OrcJE:1rs of this L (;! g i s l. c.~ t: u r E! , t: 1·1 (;! s (:1 c o n d :i s t o t h e precf:1dent of thE! Housel itself, and t: h e t h i r· d r.H' (~ t h E:1 r· u l e s o f t h e House of Commons, IAlhich happens to be Bf:1auchesne. I IAJould rnai<E:1 this point:: to Your Honour and I IAJould ask for a r·ul t ng on it . II: . .is v~H'Y important to how questions are fri'.l.rned r~nd how they go.

Tho pr'f:1CE:1dent in tr1Js Legislature has bef:111 thi:'ll: you Cr'\n Y'(:l'F'E!Y' to sl~tements made by ministers, regardless whether -i.l ls 'i.nsido the House or not . You cannot read a sl.:r:11:(,1rrJf:1nL: , and i f you do :i.L, Your Honour hc1s of l:(Hl that it b(~ r· o q !·' J I"('! d 1:. h ~ t i. 1-. b (,~ t. '-'' b J. (;! d . ll11 t C01"ta:in1y Y'E!fEH'(~nce to statf:~ITI(:HltS h.:~ s b (:~ e n c o n ~; j_ d <:! r· c;! d ·i. n o r d (:!

I" :i. n Lhi!; I..E:!gislalur·c,1 fol" Lh<:1 nine years t ha0e beon here and [ r.tJ~>Pf~ct for· many mor·e yc"!cH'S br:~forf:1 l:hr:\1: 0 ~3o I IAIOul.d ask, Your· lhHJour·, l: o ver·y qu:i.ckly clarify for us that if you take the or~er of precedents in which we run th'is I_ f:1 <ri s 1 at: lH' t::! , n a lfl(:1l1J o lH' OIAII'l Str.l.nding Order·s, the prE!CE!dElnts of the House, and then Beauchesne, that indeed J·l: 'is pr·oper in this Hous(~, tAJhen pul':t.::i.ng i3. qUE!St.-i.on, l:o ref~r to a statement made by a L2316 May 25, 19H8 Vol XL 1n:i.nister. AN HON. MEMBER : Hear, hear! MR. SIMMS: Mr.

Spe~ker . to th~t point: of Ol"clf:~r. Mr~. !'3PEr1KEr~ : To thclt point of Ol"d(:!r', l::h('! hon . +: h C! r I" C:! ~> :i. d 0 1'1 l'. 0 F 1.: h E! C 0 1.1 1'1 c J. 1. . MR. SIMM!'3: Yes, Mr·. Speaker·, w:i th respE!Ct l::o L h 1'::1 h o n . rn ern bE! i" 1 !> a r· g u 1 n (;! n t. , T. ,':·\ m not quite sure that he is cor·r·ccL. P(H'haps that :is his rE!Collection, which is one thi.n~L but whether or not it is Fact, that Js another thing.

My rE!Collection is, in fact, if yolJ do sorne r·esetu·ch, and I c:un not surE! you can do it quj ck1y, because I would think that you would want to r'E! search 'it.: faj rl y lhor·oughl.y, but 111y r·ecol.lection is, if you research it, you wt11 f 'i n d 111 f.\1'11) I" E! f e r· (:Hl c r:~ s i. n l:: h e p a s l: where there WE:1re · points of ordE!r' r·r.1-L s (~d dur· ·i.ng Quos+:.·:i.on PE!r':iod on that very matter because the lfl(:1rllbor IAlr.l!> ;:1s k i.ng "' ques l: oi. on tAJho.i.·ch r·c,1ferTed ·to a sta . tf:~l'rlE!I'll: madE• by a rn:i. n :i. ~; '1.: t' ! r· o u 1:. s :i. cl o +·. h n li o u ~; r:! .

Thor· E! hc1V(~ b(>.E~n interr·uptions i3:1nd points of Ol"d·c;!r' on thr:d:. MR. LUSH : NE!Vf:1r, n(wer bE!fOrE!. ~~. SJ;_MI'1§.: Tho hon . t.hc;! Hlf~111be1" r:·or· Boni5tVi\;t.a North (Mr. Lush) dOE!S not know ev~:lr·ytl·l·.i.nq. The;! hon. thf:1 Sp(,1C:\k(,1r' dOE!S, but the hon. the mernbE!r for Bon8vista North does not. Mr·. Spc,1 ak(:~r, I am noL sur'E! t:hal :: t h (:1 h o n . . t h E! rn E!Tn b e r f Ol" F o g o J s co I" r· ~:! c l:. is IAJ h a l:: he sa ·i d . But , I rne!an, I haVE! no problE!l'rl, Your No . 11.3 R2316

Honou1n, CcHl resear·ch it. How~~v~:~r. since he:~ bc~sc:~s his cas(:~ on Lh(:! a rgumc;! nt 1·: ha i.: pr·e c (;!d (~ n 1·. s come before Beauchesne, you will a·l.so ·f"i.nd, YoUI" Honour, IJJhen you do your research, and I am sure Y o u r I ·I o n o u r· a l r lH'l d y k 1·1 o IAJ s :i. L anyway, that in Beauchesne there :i.s a r'"!fE!r'E:~nce that says a mal':L(:H' t h a t wa s a pre c e d e n t y e s t e r d a y i s not necessarily a precedent today. So that IJJ:i.l.l u~rtainly IAiip~;:~ OU l 't:hl:~ hon. IIHWibCH' 1 S argument.

Bu ·t any1JJay, we have no p r o b l. t~ rn, g o a I·H,~ cHi a n d r· (~ s ~~ a r· c h , Your· Honour·. I do not think it: r·r:~qu:i.r·es (inaud"i.ble) dc,~batc,~ on that point of order. MR. TULK: Fur .. t:h~H' to thi:'lt point of or·der·, Ml". ~3pn<:lknr·. MR. SPFAI<F.R : Fill" L h (! r l.: () L h <'\ ·1". p 0 j, n 'L. 0 r () i" d r:! r' I l h ~~ h 0 11 . the Til(~ ITI bE:' I" f 0 r F 0 g 0 .

Ml~. rULK : The hon. gentleman is right when he says i::hdl': Bc,1iHIChc,~sne sHy~; lhi:ll a precedent yesterday is not a 'p r· c:1 c (~ d E!! n t t o d a y , · b u t:. h (~ 1 s n o t 1night lAihen he says that WE! do not r·un t·.:hi.s Houst::~ by pr'E!C(:~d~~nt. Your· Honour does not have to, I suspE!Ct, go back v~H'Y fal" t·.o S(H:~ that there have been references made to statements by ministers and h~ve been totally in order. At least they ·haue never been ruled out of order in this Le.gJ.sl.at:ur·e. HE! does nol:. 1·1av(:! l·.: o go back, I suspect, past YE!Sterday or (~von l:.h(~ clay b(~for(:!.

You could find anywhere where a member stood i.n Lh'is liou~>C'! dl'ld d~)!<(;!cl c:·l Cji.IE!St'.i.on bcised on a statement made by a uri.ni s Lc:!r' whc;! LhC:!l" hr~ lAJdS i.ns icl<:! thn HousE:~ Ol" not. That has b(;!(:!n found 1: o be p C:! r·f e c 1:1 y -L n or· do r· . L2317 May :?.5, 1.9B8 \Jol X 1.. to Your Honour is that it would be l.L1di.c ·r·ous :i.n Ul(:1 (;:1X-I:r·erne, and I WO U J. d S U g g e S t t 0 f' 011 OlAJ t h :iS i·.:hroug h t;.JOU ld bt::~ lud ·i. cr·ou s, t:·.o s dY that a rn (:11TI be r c a.n not r :is E! and as k quest{ons based on a statement that a m:inisi:E!r rnadE! outsidE! thE!

H o 1.1 t> C.;! . K no IAJ J n g t h ~1 r· e c or· cl o f l.: h :i s ministe!r, this governmE!nt, c1r any gov E!r·nrn(Hl t for· that 111a t te r·, possibly, you would not see a st.<:~t:E:11TJent rnc1cle -L1·1s.i.d(:1 thE! HoLISE!. They- IAJOUJ.d a] J. qu'ih1 pos sib1y be~ rni:-lciE! oul:.l>.i.clc;!, and thE!Y could say exactly what they wanted outside i:Hld yoU lAJOUl.d l'l(;!V(H' bE! able;! t.O question them ·on it in here. MR. SIMMS: If I may finally, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: MR. SIM~1S : Y<:!S, l)E!Y'Y bl"'ief1y. The argument is a very faulty drgllrnont ~\nd 'i. i:. t s (;!v'idl :!

I"IC(:! d by lhe fact that the hon. membE!r' at the enrl ~i:ls geLLing confused himself. He does not makE! a ve1ny strong d1"9Uif)(:!nl:. I cdn S(;!E:1 Your· Honour up there in a great amount of dis111ay l:r·y i.ng to f lqt.ll"E! out what the hon. member was trying to sdy and iH'9lH~. It · .i.s a Vt'!I''Y s:iiTlple lTli::.tl:ter. Beauchesne says, 11 A prE!CedE!nt y ~~ s 1:. "'~ r· d a y s h a 11. n o t b E! acCE!ptab1E!. 11 So does Sir Er·sl<in Mdy. 3o do alJ. l'.:hC'! o l:her· parliamentary references used in +.:h(~ Br'il':.ish Pdr'l "i. aln~:!nt.ai"Y systP1n. Your Honour· knows th.:d:.

So, Mr. ~JpE:1i:\k(;!ln I h':i.l; i'lJ"gi .. Jl'll(:!n l .. s 6lr'(;! no l .. very strong. But go ahead and r· (;! ~; (;! d r' c h i. L . [/\] H h C:·1lJ C:! n o p I" o b 1 e 1 n with it. . I i.UTI surE! you t.~.ri.11 find ;:-1 J.l !d nd s oF l'flr:\ tor· ·i. c:d . . MR. SPEAKER: No. '1·3 R231.'7

Or·der, please! To LhE! point of or·d~=!r, I dHI certainly going to look up that matt or . :r t .1. s g (:' t.l . .:i. n g a b i. l: confusing about exc1.ctly how I should deal IAr.il:".h l':.he lfk\l:l:.<;!r'. I doubt if I w:ill have a l"'Jling on Lhal. l:olnor·rotAJ. '( under'!;tand tAlE! tAJ:ilJ not I:.H~ hr-.:H'e on Fr·:iday. I IAJ:ill be r\\IA)i.-lY on r"'or.Jdi'\Y r:trld YOII tAr.ill hrlVE~. to do IAJ:ithout mE:~ on Mondl·\Y SO~H: IWI\J. MF.MB r:: l~S : Oh, !; hr.Hit(;!, !> harne~ . MR. SPEAKER: . s 0 I T 1.1 e s d a y () In wE! d n E:' !HI f.·\ y . . MR.

SIMMS: I th:ink you four· tnonlhs is no r·ush! should take threE! or l o r· e s e a r· c h ·i t . ThE!Y'(:~ Orders of the Day MR. SPEAKER (McNicholas): Today .is Pr·i.v<:·\t.r:~ Melflb<H's 1 Day, so I would ·call on the hon. .the lflemb~~r For· Sf.:. John 1 s Ei;lS t.:. · rhe:~ hon. LhE~ rnE~mb<,'r for s L. John's Fcu;t . SOMr:: HON. MEMBr::RS: Hei.'.\1", hE~.iH'! ~LO~JG: 'T'hiHlk you, Ml". Speai«-~1", and thank you, t.·t'lso, hon. rnelni:H=!r's, For b<:~:i . n•::~ S o s U p p 0 r• t :i.

V E:! :i. rf t h (:~ f i Ins t t i Ill~~ I h fl v <:~ bE! o n s 1.1 c c o s s f u J. t n h H IJ "i. n g rn y Priv~Le Member's resolution de::~ b fl L E:! d .in · 1.: hE~ 1·1 o u ~; E~ • L C\ st. y e .:1 r it: IAJas on thE:~ Or·der PapE!Y' and IA.I<:~ d.i.d not got: a chdnce bE:!FOr'E! the session closed to bring it forward. MR. SIMMS: This is your fJ.r·s l:: 1no bon? L2318 Mc-ly 25, 1988 Vo1 XL .. 0 -·· " ~ MR. LONG: That is right, my Membor 1 s resolutJ.on in the House. SOME HON. MEMBER~ : H<~ar', hE:!mr'! Ml~. LONG: first Private to bE'! ciHbC1t:E!cl 'M"r~-sp·e a I<(:~ Y' I I IAJa s n () l: suI"~=!

L h c;• M ·j n ·i. s L: C! r' r () r· c II J. 1'.11 i" (;! I r~ E! c i" (;!at. ·i. 0 n and Youth (Mr. Butt) was still t~dl:h· 11s, bul: I ~>OC! he i.s not: t.oo far away. I would hope he wJ.ll r' C'! 1 n i:\ .i n lA I "i. l'. h 'i. n h '~ .:1 l" "L n g 1 I ·.t ~; L r:t n c c~ f. o I" thE! next feiAJ rninulE:'S as I have::~ to .i. n -1:: I" o d u c e l:·. h o r· E! s o 1 u 1'.: ·i. o n .

T a 1 n stJrE~ thE:~ minister· and othE:!l" 1/lc,nnbt~r~; hi:·1VC:! had <Hl oppo1nt:uni l:: y to examine UH;! lnE:~solutJ.on Luhich I havE! pu l: on 'I: he:! 0J"d~:!r' Pap,,!r' i:'!ncl which is before the House today. 1 IAIOUld say to thE! ndnistE!Y', jn good fait.h all ~;id~;:~s of t.he Hous1:! rnigh-t comE:! lo an agrE!E!HWn t:, not only on the importance of the essential issue beJ.ng raised, which .is to dr·atAJ attE:~nL - i.on to thE! importance of cultural activity, the,~ cult.ur·,:~l. comrnuniL:y and the position of individual ar·tJ.sts cHid wo~king arts groups in this Province, but indE!E~d aJ.l sides Df l'.hc~ Ho1,1se and i'\l.l. p<:\r'l:.i.us rnj.qht cornE! together· and adopl the r' e!;ol.ul. :"i.on, pt:~ l"hdp~; IAJi l::hout r:1rnc,1 ncl1ne nl::.

I rn:ight say, by IAJay of i. n U· o d 11 c l: '.'i. on , T IAJ:i. 1. l. b P IM·i.l l. -L n q l: o conCE!de that :if thE! rn:int!;t.el" fe~:!l~; L h P rn o 1 .. i o n ·i ~; p r· E~ s E! n t: E! d -L n a IAk\ y that is too restrictJ.vo :in 'LE:~I"rns oF c<:·\1l "i.ng For· IAJor·k l .. o b'~ dono by the tJ.me of Stephenville Conference at L:ho end of July, thE!n if Lhat is the basis for not b<,~ .i.ng abl.t:~ l::o !>UPPOI"t l:'.hE! resoJ.ution, I would certaJ.nJ.y be IAJi.Jl.i 1'1 g t: o· . 0 p E! n J. 1: Ll p d n cl a J.J OIA.I the dE!partrnE~nt Lo do IAJhclt~ j.s call.ed For· .in l::h~~ mo t·:.ton IAr:ithout No. 43 R2318

·. fHI t 1:. -L ng cl Li.HI c~ l .. i.ul'i t.: o n :J. t . r·11~ . 3 p (~ "' k ~H' I IAJ h a t lAW !) 0 0 . i. 1'1 1.: h (~ l"esoJution :i.~; a call for thcO! govc,~r·nrrtenl:., For· Lhe DE~pi:lrl:rnonL or Culture, Rc,~cr·~~i:ltion and Youth, to '':i1nH1ediCli·.r:!ly corrurri.ss-Lon" IAJhi.·\1':. l cetll "an i nv e:~ s t:igi:ltion w:i th two o b j c,~ c t i. v o s . " I IALi. l. 1. j IJ s t b r i. c,~ fl. 1J note this. I wi 11 not dE!al IJ.J:'i. th t h e W H E R E () S E s . . ~)om E:! of U1 o l> e:~ IAr:i. 11 be .made rE!ferE!nce to in the d C:1 b a lr::1 .

T h E~ W H E R E A ~-> E S c,1 s s EHl t. i a 1 l. y lay out the rE!asons for the neE!d of an investigation. ThE!I1 the r·esolut. ... i.on asks l·:o "commission an investigation IJJas t:IJJO obj ec tiVE:1S: "1.. To pr·odLIC(~ a cornpr'E!hon~dlJE!

SIH'VC,11j of thE• Cultural E:1COnorny Of our Province, w-Lth spec·Lfic l"ofer·c'!I'ICC~ to mclr'I<E:1L dE!finit:ion and c.'\l.lc:i:iE!I'lCe ITii.ilk011p dCl"O!)~; d:Jsc:ipJ.:inE:!s; spc;!nd:ing lc,~vE~J.s on llli:II:.EH'':i .• :ll suppl te~; r:"nd SE!I"tJ:i.t:ns <'ll'ld j n :.p'inoff acl :iv:i.l:iE~s; all r·<::1lab:H~ r::~lnpJ.oylllloHtl:. fac+:. or~;; l:r:lX r·c~tHHtuc,'s; cornpr-trisons of public E:1Xpendi ttJr'E:~s ··i n l:: h 'L ~; P r o t; ·i. n c E~ r c,1 l <'I t: i tJ o 1: o o i:: h o r· j u r· i s d j c Li o n s a n d a n a n a J. y s i !> o f In e 1. C1. t ·i. V ~~ p 1.1 b J. J.

C S p E! n c:i 'i. 11 9 J. (,~ lJ E! 1 S 0 l'l c·api t:al, produ d:ion and operating costs and direct grants to art-Lsts. "2. To pi"OdiJC~~. possible, based on tAJor· l<.i ng i:H't.i s t s, a economic status of this Pr·ovinCE!." i!IS Far· a surVE!Y r·r::!por·L on the artist of ·thE! in That LS es:>('!nt..ially t.:h<:1 t.:hr·us ·l'.: of thE! r'E!solution. The second

BE IT RESOLVED, tJJhoi.ch l l'ti:·lV(o1 rllr'eddy said I tJJill be willing to nc,~gol':.:l.i:tt:E~ dnd, if t·:ht~ tlt-i.n"i.stc:!r' s~~es that as a I"E!Strictive pClrt of 1-:.h~:! rnot"i.on, rndybo IAJt~ c.:~n changE! ·i.+: .. "AND :JF. CT FURTI·IFR I~F:30LlJI::D Utc~L tho co rruu:i. !> ~;:ion oF such an ·i n V <:! S 1:. i. 9 iYl '1: :i. 0 1'1 • b E~ !) I I p p J. 'i. f~ c:l IAI 'i. 1: h l:: h n ......

L2319 May 25, 1988 Vol XL l'llc1COSSi:lJ~y I"P.SOIII"t:t:!!) to do il:!; job effectively iHtd quickly and that r·c-)pr·~)SE~nl:r.~l'i.tJ:O!s bo appoi.nl::od Lo this commission Prom outside gotJE!rntnoni:. and F·i.n.:·lll.y Lha+·. l :. h~:! commission re:1port its findings Lo Conf(~I"E:!nce For· l:.hc:! Ar·t.s schE:!dul.r::!cl to be hE!ld in Stc,~phE!I'lV:i 1lE! at Lhe c,~nd of July." M r· .

S p e:1 a I< e I" , tAJ h <:l t I a 1 n a ~; k .i. n g h e t" e 'in UtE! forrn of th:i .s relso]ut:ion is a c omrrri -t·:lrtE! n 1: by UH:! go v EH' I'HrtE! n t: t:.o put in p1ace a process in wh:i.ch all lrtE!I'IIbC'! r· s of UH'! soc .i.

C'! l:y, c:d.l ind:ividuals and groups active in the cultural comrnunit.y, certainly all mE!mbE!rS of this House, but in par·tictrl.ar· t: hE:~ governtrtE'!I'll: rn~:~ y be:~ in a position · to begin to e S 1': cl b J "i_ ~; h IAJi ·1·. h (.·1 1'1 E! y E! t. 0 l:: hE! future a long term view of what we l.lktni: ·L:o do IAJ:-i.i:h i:H'Ls dc,'VE:!J.OplliE'!I'lL and the cuJ.tivation of our C I I J. l.

I I r'(:\.J. l: 0 I lllfll.l 1'1 :i. '1:. y , M r' , S p o i~1 k n r· , r i: h :i n k 1·:. h E! government has in Lhe past. on oc:ci:\~;·i. on hdd 1"<,~<:~ . 1. d"i.ff'.ictJ1Ly sustaining a clear and coherent. appr·oach Lo tho f:i.nanc"inq oF dl"l:.s activity and to g:iving offic:ial publ'i.c !;uppor·t·. t:o dt"ts gl"oup~; or· ind:ividual ar·ts bE! CaUSE! it · hcls not hdc:l 'i.n placE:~ any k"i.nd of clc,~dl", cohE!rE!nt long l::c;!rrn pJ.an IJJ·.it:h clearly deFined object.iuos Mnd goals. We satJJ some years ago the E~st.c:;tbl.ishrn(;!nL oF the,~ NE!Wfoundland and Lab1~ador Arts CounciJ.

IAJh:ich IAJi!ls, Jn fmct., at.: !::he t. ·i.rne se(:! n d~: a very positjve initiative, in p f:11" t: '.'i. c 1.11. r'll" , 1-11 i. 1: h t·:. he p ''~ r· s o n a 1 st:arnp, IJJe rn:ight say, of tiH! PI" E~ nri. I:! i" , who had b ~=! (;! n e l E'! c L E~ d indeE!d on a pr·orrriSE! of ~riving his personr.-11 Si.Jppoi"l ·: and comln:il:.mE:!nl'. l:.o the arts cornrnunity in this Pr·ot;:i:nr:e. ·rhnn, shor·l:l.y dfl ·. ,:!r' h:is elect'ion, he followed through on h r. s ~; U:t 1.: c:1 d c o rmn: i. t: Ill o n 1:. ;:'t n d s L f.·l t·. o c:l No. 43 R2319

pr·orrri.se and in:L U.atE!d lhe Newfoundland · and Labrador Arts Counc:i.l, wh:i.ch at l:.ht1 L"LIIIt~ IAJi!)S received in a very positive way and accc,1pb~d b.y Uw ar·ts co1nrnun .i.t:y as essentially a lifeline, ''!Specially for· ·i.nd:i.v'"i.dual. arl:.i.st.~;, but c:"lso for some ar·ts gr·oups to bE! db 1 t~ l:: o a c cos :; r· ''!so IH' c e s and funds and to be an ag<:1ncy that IAJoul.d, on +.·.ho on(:! i'ldnd, be responsible for carrying out the obj ~H: l:oi.IJ(,1:; of Lhe govornl·n<;!nt tJJ"i. i·.h l"t'!~>p<:1ct: to a1"ts act.ivity. But i:'\ 1. S 0 t 0 fl l. <A ':J d 1'1 0 i.: h (;!

Y' f I I 1'1 C 1: "i. 0 1'1 d l'l c:/ that tJJouJ d bt:1 to act. as an a d \J o c d 1.: <:1 f o r· a r· i:. 'i. s 1:: s <:' n d t: h r:! cultural community. M I" . ~-) p 0 i:t k (~ r· , t h H t IJ.Jr:" ~; ~; 0 rn r.:! y E! a I"~; ago.

Without bei~g partisan in the debale here, I th-Lnk lo bo hones l and c<:11"tainly to re~cogniZE! the urgoncy with which I have br·ought l::he motion forward in 1./Jclnting l::o dr·aw t.h<~ clt:b,O!J'lt.ion or the House, indE!ed thE! attention of minisl::er and the government to Uris issue, that OVE!r the years since the Arts Council was established we hav~ not seen a consistent follow through. T 1'1 fa C 1: , i.

P rHl y t h i !'I g , f:H~ 0 p 1 (:1 :i. n the ar·ts community have bE!tHl s a y 'i n g t. h a 1:. u p o n 1.: h ('! e s 1·. a b l "i. ~' h 1 n C:! n t of the:~ Ar·ts Counc:i.l l:ho gov<:~rniTIE!n ' t o s s t'! n t. i i:·' J. l.y s ;:~ :i. d d n d 1·. h (c1 P r· 01 n "i. e r· essentially said, 'There it is, t: her·· e. :i. s our· ·t n :-i. 1: 'i. d {~ 'i. \J n , <:'t n d 1:: h c;! I"<:~ :i.:. OUI" bold nt~IAI undt=:1r'Li:tking IJJ:i.th I"(:~Specf: i·.o · l : hf~ dC!IJC;!J.OpliiC!I'l'l: o'f +:hf~ a l'"l r. J. 11 ~ hi s P I" o v :i n c E~ cHId t ITE~ A I" t: s . Counc"i.l IJ.J:-i.J.l spor'lk For· 1.1:;.

Tho A r· t s C o u 1'1 c:i 1 tAli 11 a 1 s o b <c1 a centrAl co ·ordinAling ctgency for a r· t :i s t s i'l n d t h c-". A I" t s C o u n c i J. c a n speAk for· l.:i·H:! dl"l.s cornnlutrl . l.:y.' So, in a way the government was r;lb lo to say 'i.t l.l.ld s no 1-.: rH~ C(! s s r.:ti"Y to continue any process the l"1" c;! rrri t~ r· h a cJ J n i. t -:i. a ·L c,1 d , o n c e :i t. p u t:. in place the Newfoundland and L2320 May Q 5 I 1.9 8 8 Vol. XL Labrador Arts Council. lJ n f o r· 1·.: Lt n at E! 1 y , M r· . S p c,1 a k E! r , i n L h E! YE!ars sincE! thE!

PrtHniE!r IAJc!S fi.r·st (:1l.t:1Ctt:!d, r"!t a t:..l.rnE~ IAJht:!l'l Lhe Ar·Ls Council was first put in place, t h c;! r· e IAI a s '"'' h ;:., L rn ,;, n 1J p eo p l t:1 , :i n d (;! E:! d in the Pl"ov'incE< but :indt:1E!d acr·os~; t.he co1tn l::r·y, IJ.JE!r'e r·t:!fOI"r·tnq t.o as an expJ.osion of ar·tisLi.c r.'lct:.i.v:il::y J. n 1". h "i. :; P r· o 'J ·.:i. n c r;! , i:1 I" C:! n a 1. s s a n c 1::~ I. n _ so11w plaCE!S 'il tAJaS l"t:•fE:!r'r'E!d Lo, 1·.·. h (:1 . t' (;!1,: 1.1 r' n 1". 0 1.: r· r-HI-:i. t.

L 0 ru:·d 1111.1 !d c I the incredibly vibrant theatre s c en::: , ~=! ~; fH:1 ci. i:1.1l.y j n ~:1 1.. . John ' s with a number of J.ocal l::heatre c·o,npi'ln·i.os boi.ng stdr'i.:E!c:l producing indigenous theatre ant:l l:hdt Fol" IM<:·1S by and i:,,bo11l: and NE:!IAlfoundl.mndt>.r·s ... rJJS VERGE : And Corner Brook and Stephenville. MR. LONG: () n d Co r· n C'! r· B 1n o o k a n d S t. E~ p h ~=! n v .i. J. l E! were also at: t:hat Lii'IIE! bE!g:innin~J i·:. o c om <:1 i n 1·. o 1·.: h (~ ... i. r· o IAJ n .i n t e r· rn s o r: e s tabli s hi ng nE!W organi za ti.ons and now levels of activity.

B u L !> i n c <:~ , t he n , M t' .

S p o a i«H' I 'it has b<:1en clE!ar for anybody IAlho ' has bfHHl ac l:: " i.v'~ "i.n l::h i,s communi l::y or anybody who has been pay'ing i:~{·.l.:t:!ni: .. i.on l.:o 1-·.ho r;!\JOl.ui·.·.:i.on ,:;tnd the c0ntinuing development of arts "' r: t. :i. \J · i. ·I: y d n c:l 1.: h E! d o v t~ l o p 1 n e n 1':. o F c u 1 t u r a 1 co mrn unity 'its E! 1 f in tl'd s Pl"O'J:i ncr~, L.h,~r·r.:! ha~; no 1.: b'~on any parallel commitment by government:: t:o k:~ep pr:-1ce t~d.l:h l:he cont·i.nt ,)(:!cl gi"OL~Jth and c1ct:.Jvity thdt con1E:!s oul~ 0 F Uw rH'i. i ~d. i. c c Olfll'rll.ll'l"i.l'.y' Th~:! {·.hur:~l . t't·~ cornp;;lnoi . u~;, IAJhich IAJ(;!In(;! beginn'ing at that time, hauo go 1'. t: ''! n !l L t' on g c;! ,.. .

T h E:! 1J c o n 1:: :i. 1''1 u e 1·:. o grow and expand and develop a 1 1 d :i. <:' n c e s , b o t h h E! r· r=! "i. n ~; 1:: . J o h n ' s and particularly on the West Coast .. A . . . .... .. . No. 43 I~ 2 3 20

T h ~~ S t ~:q:.d·1 ~Hl v :i 11 "! F c-?. s t 'i v a 1 h a s Oblri.OLI:>Jy c:11::l'.l''dCI.c,~d w'.i.de 1"ecogn:i.LJor1 fol" t. h~::~ success it has r'f~dchoc:l i.n i..OI"liiS of (o!:)i.:dbl·."i.:;h"i.ng JtsE~Jf as an :institution on th~~ ~·J o s 1:. Co <'1 s i ·. o f' 1:. he P t' o wi. n c "! 1: h ;:~ l". i' .. d". tl"acts pc,1ople fl"Orn all ovEH' lhE! P r· o 1; t n c e I b u 1: <:~ 1 s o o 1.1 t: s :i. d fo! '1.: h e P1"ov:inc~::1. MS VERGE: And ThE~dl..r'Cc' N(;!IAJfoundland anc:l Lc-:~br·ador·. MR. LONG: And ThE! a lr't1 Newfoundland and Labrador haVE! done great work in the:1 schools . TI'H:! Mini. sU~r· of Justice (Ms VE!rg

e) may cont:i nue to n~mind me of lh-Lngs that. I ulighL leavE! ouL along the uJay, in tE!rrns o F b o .i. n g r· E:~ 9 i o n all. y r· o p r· ~~ s E! n t a t.: ... i. u o of thE~ Pr·ovince. ~)o thE.~ act.ivJty has cont:inuco!cl and CE!t'i:.i'1"i.nJ.y -i.n St. John 1 s I i:hn thE:1atr·e comp<:Hl'i.I0:1!>, at the timE~, j 1.1 s l: p (' '.i. 0 I" 1.: 0 +: h f;! (~ :; 1:. <'I b l ·i. s l'llfH·Hl 1:. 0 F thr:1 Arts Council, h<:.tve continued t h E' 'i. r IAHH' k . Th('! t.3PU l·ldll "i.n rloi~Jni:.OI~Jil . ::>~-..

John 1 s is cont:ii'HH!d to be a focal PO"i.nl.: rOl" Lhf~ . expr'(o!SSion or· 1Alhc1i.: :is vel"Y much a NeuJfoundland character in the theatre community. Thr::1 LSPU Hall in many · pl.;~cr::1s and i.n llli:HlY 1~1<:1ys -i.s sEH'!n as an <:.tlternative to the Arts and C u 1 t Ll r e C EHl t r· E! l n S 1:: • J o h n 1 s , a n d to the Arts and Culture Centre c:ir·cu.it, IAJh'i.ch :i.s not l:.o gc~t .i.n-l:.o a l"C;lflectton on thE! f.Jr•ts and Cull:.ur'E:!

Cent.r·f~S and IAJhat t:hf:1Y do, but is perhaps to recognize the l. i rrri t f.l t i. o n s 'i n t h a 1:. :i. n s 1:. :i l'.u t i. o n and what the Arts and Culture C e n t r· e c :1 r· c u .J. 1: r· f~ p r· r::! s E:! n t. s d n d 1:·. o reflect on the importance of g"i.v·i.ng suppoi"L t·.o ~;o1nr:~ oF Lhe activities that are happen-ing outside tho centres and the institutions that have continued r"''"" y 2 s , 1. 9 a a \Jol. XI. to attract fatrly consistent 1 (~ 1; t:1 l ~; o I- y o IJ C! r· n 1'r1 e n I: ~:; tl p p o l" 1".: d n d public funds ovor Lhe yoars. It 'is clear l:o rm~, Mr·.

SpE:1di<E!r', aL I: h ·i ~; p cd 1'1 i ·. :i. n t ·i 1 11 o , IAJ h o n IAHo! l" e u i fi'IAJ thf:1 perfor·rnance of Lhr::! 1\lowF 011 nd 1."1 nd and 1.. <:·1 br·;::,d or· () r· l:. s Council and consider 'its abiliLy Lo HH'!('! l I:". he l'lldnc:IC'II".o es l'.abl.ishr:~cl for it 'in the Act that was sot out-: -i. n 19!30, 1-.:hr·ough no fault. o ·F dl'liJ of the volunteers or staff who havE:!

IAJO r· ked h r:~ r· d o u E:! r· t h f~ y E:~ r!.l r· s to establish the1 Arts Counci1, as an d9E:~ncy i.t h;;1s simply bfo!E~n unable t:o rneet the dE!mands that arr::! plac10:1d on il: by i.nd.iv :idual t:trt.ist.s and by the arts cornrnunity. In fact, we have SE!E!n :i.n t:hE! last: c o 1.1 pl. o of y ~~ a r· s q u 'i.

"1":. o a cl y n ;:,1 n 1 t c dE~ve]op within the arts cormnun::i.t:y 'i. n '1-.: h 'i. ~; P r· o v .. i. n c o ;:,1 :·; c:l t' f'! s u l 1·:. u f <:'l r'E!al tE!nsion Lhat ex:istE!cl br:!tiAJE:•E!I'l t:ho AI" I:; Cot1nc i l. nncl l:hE! govc,1rnmE!n ·t, l"E!Voluing cH'OtH1d q I l n s L i. 0 n !) 0 f' r oi. n ,,, n c "i. .:-1 l. s u p p 0 I" 1·:. . I.~~ :; :; I h r.u1 1: h t' (~ o y car·· ~; ;:., g o tAle s i:HAJ the full fTlf:HnbershJp of tl-w bocu"d of c:l·i.r·ec:l .. or·s o_f l..he Ar•l·.~; COI.Il'lC.i.J. r·es:ign cls a forrn of Pl"Ot.esL over· lAJ h i:H:. l: I·H~ y F (;! l. 1··.

IAJi:·1 :; i:Hl 'i llll:l 0 :; s "i. b J. E! position thE!IJ WE!rE1 placed in. Thc•y ~><:1·id qu·il·.e cl.nar·ly at: l.:he t'illlE:1 Uwy could only, :in good consc:i.E~nce, l.r:~<.·\Ve l:he oFf · i.cc~ thr:!y had taken on becauSE! thE!Y cou1cl, :ln l:heir· OIAJI'l l·:(-H'rns, no 1.: l"C;!lfla::i.n true to the cornrnitrnent Lhey br·ought l':.o l·:hE1 t::c1sk at hand and, indE!ed, to fTlE!E!t the mandate as set o u i:.

J n 1.: h ~'! l E! g .i. :; 1 a 1':. :.i. o n g :i u (,' n t h a l:. thE!IJ wei"E~ not ab1E! to rE:!CEdve any conunil~Hlf'!l"tl:. fr·um gov~:!r'ntrlE!nl:. .in t:hc,, way of an :increasing amount of Fund!; Lo cli.sppr·~;e t.o <.'\r'l-:.J!:;t.!; yr::!i'll" to IJE!ar. So what we saw at !".:he tirne was the A r· t.: s Co 1 1 n c i J. d e "' 1 :i. n g tAri. f.: h 1:: h e si~uation in which it was given an .. -·· .. f\1 (I • 11-1 1?232'1.

annual grant by government, and at lc,1ast half of l.: hat gr·!!lnt <:-lnd I think at U .ITIE!S, on occasion it IAJas more than that ·-· h nll f !: he grant: L@S gcdng to maintain Hw officE!S a n d t h E:1 s t a F f , IAJ h :l c h , of c o u r· s ::! , IAii:IS nE!cessar·y. The inter·nal s t: r· u c l: IH' e of Uw A I" l: s C o u n c i. J. would have to be in place, in orclc,,r· t.o do any ki.nd of job. But: at lE:1a s t half Lhe gr·a nt IAic\s going t: o lfld .i. n 1'.: ;:·\ 'i. n L h c:!

H d rrl'i n ·i. s ·1·: r· c:·\ 1:: j, tJ c,1 cr.tpacil:y of the Arts Council and only hd l F IAH:·\~; bE'!:i.ng rnr:·\rle r:·\Vd:i.J.;:~bl.P. t.o iH'tists. So IAJhr.tt· IAJE! hc:1ve is 1:1 sJtuat:ion in IAJhJ. c h the i.~gE!nCy, lAJh i. ch IAii:\S df~S : i.gl'l(!d Vf~I''Y Spf~C'.ifically w:ith thC'! :i.ni:ont ·'i.on of runci: :i. nn:i.ng r:~~; i:\ 1 if(~] :i l'l 0 f 0 I" :in cJ :i V :i cl U a 1 IAIO I" king d r 1:. :i. ~> L s , no i:. m b l C·) l: o f 1.11 f .i. .ll 'i. 1:. :; ITiiHtda bi:1. M r· .

S p f~ i'l k E! r•, I rn:i g h t , if I ITii'.l y , br·oaclc,1n the! d.iscuss.i.on boyond l::he,1 Arts Counc:il, although I think t h e r f:1 :-i. s a n 'l n1 p o r t':iHl 1·.: l E:' s s o n l: o b e learned here in terms of considering the .impor"':anco of where government makes a fJnancial cormnitmc~nt and hoiAJ rnuch of a finan~ial cornrnitrnent it is willing to make.

Tht:!r' e rnay be:! sorn\~ qUf'!sl · ... i.on fr·om time to tiTTlE! of IAJhetht:!r thE! arts comrnuntl·.:y or· dr·t:s act:.:'LIJ'ii.:y Ol" individual clrtists are worth g:iv "i. ng 1nonoy l:'.o. '( s<.·\y, ·i.n good fcd.th, I am sur·~~ the Minisi::c,H' of Cul.l :: ljr'e, Recr·e,,at: "i. on c:~nd YotJi·:h d,l: t:irn~~s ntus t. bc,1 in a dJ.fficult p o s ·i '1: i. o n "'r· o 1.1 n d 1'. h f:! C <.-l b '.'i. n fc! l: t . .:\ b l. C:! IAt:it·h cornpf:!L.ing demands, <'.lnd I am q 11 i.

L: ~:! c o n s c :i.o 11 ~; of 1·:. h C! n ~~ e d s , :i. n jJ a I" t j C U J iH' , 0 f ·Ht f~ d H 1 :i V e r· y 0 f hi.lllli.'ll'l so r· tri. cos by "1'. h o go IJ (:!!" rHflf'! n 1· . . ·rhf:! Depi'~l"tfltf:!rtt:. of ~3oc:ial S\~I"V:icf~S, F d u c c\ '1: ·i. o n ,,. n d H o i:'l ·1. 1'. h ct r· ~~ d 1 1 facing ~evore financ:ial d -L f F 'i. c u l. t . 'i. c:! s , b 1.1 t: '1: h f'! I" E'!

Hid y bE~ a quHstion of whether it is worth L2322 Mmy 25, 1988 Vol XL putting money at all, and maybe l:'.hls is what we have seen over the years, that governrnE!nt, in ·thE! face of limited fi s cal. capacity and in a time of financial I"C:!s t r·a.int, h<:ts s:i.mply not beE!I1 able to put money :into what i s S(:!OI'l l':o be~ s1 . 1~HH'fluous act.:ivit ·.y. If l: o d r:·' y , s '1:. 'ill , 1:: h ,,, r· e r· o It I<:,\ .ins c{ n y question of the absolute importance of Focusing our attention on the development of 0 I I Y' C U li·. U r' c:·\ J r (~ S 0 1.1 r' C E~ S J IAJ h J.

C h j S IAJhat I l"(~fE!r to in thf:1 pi"CC!t .. ll'flblc,' to 1.: h t,~ r' e :; o lu t i o n , r 1': h ·i n k 1m~ c d n s e E! ljy rE:1CE:ll'lt events, par· ·U.cular·Iy in 1: ll C'! C'i I. y 0 r ~H. . .J 0 h n I s ' i n IAJh oi. c h the,, Cit~y CoUIICi1, for· thE! ld~>t: J'llllflbf!t' oi- lr!Onl.: h~;, hdS I:J(:!E:•n grappling in a very public way IAJ'.i.l:h l:.l'l'i~; IAJho"l,e ' I .

S~)IH! dl'lcl l:.ak.i.n~~ 61 very responsible po s ition, I th-Lnk, d~> d rnun -L c .. i.p<.·11 CJO~JC'!I"I'liTI('!I'lt., but also being Forced in many ways by tho dr't. ·i. sl.:s t: hCC!rri S ~ ' !l.Vc::!S l:: o co1ne to a recognition of the actual E~conomtc val.t ,l(:!.

We 11d.ght for· a minute leave thE! question of Uw soc ir.itl or· cul tur'i\\l vaJ.uf~ asJ.d(:1 and consider the question of what I call here the cultural oconorny, and what is coming to be recognizerl "i. n this Province, finally, thE! importancE! of SE!eing cul.l ·.·. ur·al. dc 'i::iv:i.l:y r.·\S ;:,\n indusLI"Y that producei economic benefits. It was quite interestJng to see and qu i l':e s'i.gnlficanl:'., I Lhink, that the City of St. John's has j us 1'. , -i. n tho l d s t 1110 n 1: h or· ~:: o, l':~stablished for· L~hf:! f:i.J"st. l::i.ITI\~ ntJor· dl'l dr·l.: ; ;:-1clv·i. sor·y gi"OtJp.

Thi s c.'lr'!":s ad .visor·y ~~r· oup has bef~n put: ·i n p l .:-1 c ~~ o u L of ~~~ con~; c "i. o 1:1 s I"E~cogniLion t: hat l:: hE~ c'.i.I"CUJ.atior1 of d o J. l. d , .. ~' :i. n 1 .. he c 'i. I. y of ~; t. . Jol'ln 1 s, the:! amount of E!Conorn:ic d c t i I) .i. 1.: y L h d 1.: ·i ~; p t' () d u c f:! d by cultural events, worktng arLtsts and a r· 1.: ·i. !> 1:. i. c a c l.. :i. v "i. 1.. y oF l'l '1.1 k in d ~; across aJ.l disciplinE!S :is actually No. 1+3 R2322

·. a very significant industry in the Ci.+·y. ~ ' > o , l: h o C i 1.: y Co u n r: 'i. J. h ·a :; ~; n f.! n .. i. l·. n~~cE~ssary Lo bE~g:in to put in place SOIII~) k:i.nd cr f pJ.i 'Hl 1:.0 i!lddr'1;1~;s ·[JH:! inq:J(H't an c E~ of d E:W Co1l op:i ng l: he:1 c uJ. Lt.ir'l·ll J ndu s l:I"Y i.n I:J·w C·i.l:y . I:( : :i. ~~ i I'll p o r· t a n t r·w 1': o n 1 y t o t h E! ar·l:.Js1:s l·.h~~lrl!> t'!l\J E: !S i'lnd i:

c) poopl. t ~ IAihO IAIOI"k :in t: hc.;! ar·ts COlTIITILJn:i Ly, ;;ldlili.n:is l:.r·;:~ · l".or:; dnc:l st.~lff PE'!Oplco1 of r.lll kinds.

The;! gou~H'niTil':Hlt has, oF l. a 1.: t:! , b (;! t:! n p u 1:'. 1·:. ·i. n g :; orno oF i 1·:. s OIAJI'l comwun:ity dE:1Vt:1lopmt:Hlt projects to 1..uor·k 'i.n LJ·H~ iH' t.s COIIIITIUITi ty, and so we see a training component in wh'i.ch people who are in receipt of social assistance are able to take o n <.'l t r· a :i. n i n g p r· o g r· a TllJrl(o1 .i. n l:. l · H~ arts community, but we see the pE~OplE:' IAIOr'k'J.ng t n thC:! fi.l;!ld, t·. ht'~ <:H't'.i.sts thernselVE!S, and l'lOIAJ, we see public officials recognizing thE:1 ualiH! to the IA.1hole:1 cornrnurd.ty of ar·l:.isLi.c aci"."i.u'i.t:y.

Tt. i. s clE:1i.H', Ml". Speaker·, that IAIE! must bE!g.i.n (·:o do l:. he Sr:•llfle on i'l Prov:incial Jeuel. ThE:! Ci'Anr.tda Council and Statistics Canacl;;1, bt-:! 'I.:IAJG('!n l·.: ht:!Hl hetlJc~ b~~r-: !1'1 -!.: ho huo cent:l"al agcoHlci~>.s which hc.tur::1 g:i.IJC:!I'l SOIIIC;! !<:i.nr:l Of l'ldl:-i.OI'li ,ll. pl"ofJJ.c::~ to tl·re .itTipOI"tancE:1 of t:hE! CIIJ.l·.ur·al. t'!COnOI'I'Iy of t:h,;! COlln·l·.r"Y. Tl. :is only in looking al'.: r'C::'PCH'ts ·i. s s u c~ d b y S '1:. ~~' 1.: i. s 1.: 'i. c ~; C i~l n ,,, d ,,, o r· 1'. h E!

CcAnctdi:1 Council that IAJCo~ I:H:'gin to g e L so 111 o s n n :; E! of L: h c;! c 11 1 i: u I" cl l :industry in this PJ"ovincE:1. That ·i.s Co1SSE~nt. ·· i.a l l.y a t:h:ing t::hi'll: motivated me in bringing ~orward th:i.s r·osol.ut:Lon. In participating in some of the dJscussion ar·ound the York ThNJ.trE! p r· o p o sa 1 at: C .i. t:. y H ;:~ 1.1 r:'l n cl 1.: h o d~~bc.:d~E! thf.li: IAJas happE!tling thE!rE!, I lAiani".·. lo 1nakc'! r'E!fC;!t'E!nco l·:o a I"E!por·t !: hell iAJi'U> prepai"E!d by the c o n s u l. t:. a n 1: :; IAI h o f.:! x a 111 i n C! d 1··. h ~ ~ fE:H'.lsibility of thE! York study .

It 1.?.3?.3 lJol X 1 .. occurred to rTIE:1 IAJhE!n I fir·st rE!ad t·. h ·.i :; r· C::' p o r· t t. h "' 1:. J. n o r· d c;! r· 1:. o 1 n ;:'' k E! the argument that Arts activil'.:y IAJd:; ·i.urpor'i":.i'll'lL t.o l·:.hE:! EH: onorny of St. John 1 s, thE! author · s of Lhe::~ r• e fl 0 t' i ·. , i ·. h 0 C 0 n S 1.1 J. 'i:. d 1'1 1·. ::; IAI h 0 IAI 0 r' f~ advis:ing C.ity Hf.ll.l., had Logo to I: he C a n r:·l cJ,:·l c o 1.1 n c .i. '1 a n d ~:; 1.·. d t.

"i. s 1:. ·j c s Canada for some years pa s t La give <Hl .i.nd :i.cal:'ion Or E!COI'lOII'I::i.c dct ·i. v "i. \:y coming out of the cultural cornrn1Jn'i.t:y t n Sl.:. John 1 s. T do not hal)!) d IAJhol.r:1 l.ol··. or t: .. iiTII.':1, but I just briE!fJ.y IAJant Lo r'lo'i:ld for the record what this consultant's report says about Ar·ts aci:.iv'it.:y ·J.n St. John's . II: quotes the Canada Council as s;:1y'i ng: 11 Canada Cou n c 'i. l f:iqu l"l':' s show that in 1983 the Arts and Culture s ector gonoral':ed $42 million -in the St.

John 1 s e!C:onorny, ·:i. n c l. u d "i. n g !~ :l l rn:i.ll "i. on in r· E:! u r:~ n u E:! ~:; and $11 million in salaries ·and IAJC\ g c:~ s . In the ~3 1.: . J o l·1r1 • s C ~ = ! rl 't. r ~ a l Metropolitan area, the Arts 'i. n d 1.1 :; 1: r· y C:! rr1 p l o y s o IHH' /. 0 0 0 p e o p l. o , excluding a s ignificant nurnbE!r of sol.f - · NIIfll.Oy(~c:f rH' l:i:;l :!; i.Hld iH'tS IAJor·ker·s. 11 I pi"E!SUITIE:! thoy ~'ll"li:' ·i nc:l.1HI -i. nq U1o ci. rH"!ITI<·l~> and solfle of the morE:1 corrmiE!r'c :ial actiui l:.y, but i:ll .:;o i'.h~:! !>YIIiphony, i:ht'!

Ar· t.s dnd Culi:ur·e, the L.SPU Hc-..1ll, a full rnix. AN HON .· MEMBER: (lnauc:l'i.blc:!) . Ml~. LONG: -------Yes, acr·oss all d :isd.plin E!S . It lAJdS qu-i.tE~ s:'i.gn-i.f .. i.-canl~ for· 1110 l'.:o read that over 2000 people are :'i.nvol.u(~d. fH'BSLIITii:•lbl.y :in so1nc;! For ·m of full-time employment in this sector. These are figur6s from 1983.

Also in the consultant 1 s r·epor·l· .: t:h~~y havE:! f'i.gur·es Fr'oiTl across Canada from 1986. 1 IAJouJd 1 -i. ko to bri.nq this l:o Lhe minister 1 s attention, if h e ha s no 'l: hi'id an o ppor· 1::11 nt l:: y l:: o I" c:1t:•lcl l'.: he r·epor·t: "TI·1e contribul:: :ions of thE! No. 11.1 R?.323

Al"ts and · Culture se:~ctor l.o Canada 1 s gr·oss dOIIIHst:ic product: ·i.s somewhat larger than tobacco, textile, clothing and plclstic industr'il':lS and on a par wj l:h such ~;ect:or·s as metals c:1nd nri.nes, utilitiE!S and accommodation and food so I" vicE! . 11 So , IJJivtl~. IAH:' so~~ h~:~re, Mr. SpeakE!r, j_s an outlinE! of l: h <;! C;! c on o rn .i c .imp or· t. r.Hl c E! o F L h <,~ cultural economy. It is clear to rne l·:hat: "i.n or·dc,~r 1--.o be:~gin lo C:Hd:ablish for the futurE! some kind of SE:11'1\)E! of IJ..Jhat·. IAJ(o!

IJ..Jd.n·L 1-".0 do with public policy, where the gov c,H'ntno nt .. i. s go·i. ng l·.o lil!il k o initiatives and break new ground and br·-i.ng Lhc:! cornrntln·i.l:y or r:-\rl:-i.sl:s and p~~oplE~ IJJorldng in ar·ts i'l c t :i.

I) j_ L ':1 , J n 1'1 "i.l) -i. d 1.1 '~' J. .~-~ t' l: ·i. !> L !) i'l n d al"t·!; ~~l"oups etcr·oss tbc,1 Pr·ov:i.ncC:1 1: h t:·1 t a i" c,1 i. n ·~' J.l o 11 t' s c h o o l. !; , l.:lv1 1.: i.H'E! in -f! v fH' y c ornrnu ni t:.y, p<;!O p1. ~:! who h<:\Ue r'l t'r~ldi.:J.on~;hi.p ·i_n one;! l-bi"lfl 01" i'li'IOtl·lE:!I'' l:O CUJ.'LUI"C:~, thE! 'J.iVE! c 11 l tIll" e 1:: h.:-~ t: r~ x-i_ s I. s ·i_ n t.: h (:~ .. i. r· comrnun:it:i.es and the:d1" inb~r(:~st in pr'lr'"l:i.c:i.pattng rnor·e dnrl l.f~ar·n · ing more, in order to begin to For·mulah~ a policy, we nE:~E!d +.:o do som~?. of our own analysis of what ex:ists ln thE:~ Pr·ovincE!, and IAIE:~ n<:~ed to bE!gin to see the resource that has bean existing here for somE! tirne, for generations and cent.:ur·ic;!s.

Ind~?.<:~d. 1-:.hal:. 'i.s thE! IAJay WC:! al"<,~ often seen by people from the o u 1:. s "i. d (;! , ;:1 s h a u ·J n g l:: h --L s J n c I" r::! cl ·i. b l. <:~ natural resotH'CE:~ which has little,~ 0 Y' n 0 '1: h i. 1'1 g f.: 0 d 0 lAd 1:. h +·.l·ll,1 IAH~ a J. I: h o f t· h e r· E! s o tu· c c,~ s f o r' e s t I" y a n d f i s h <.·\ n d nri. n (:! s r:t nd so on , b 1.1·1-:. 1: h c,~ ~J·f.wp] P of N(~IAJfoundland, L h <:~ 1n s e .l v t~ ~; ,. i:'t r' c;! a l.tJ..kl y !; seen , ··.i. f not· :-in cuJ.tur·aJ.

Ol" ~~conom:ic Ler·rns, l:o I:H,1 'l:ho HIOS 1: ·oi.n·h;!r'H!; l." :i.nq 1··e f; OIH'C E:~ l: hi.~ t:. t h:i. !i PI"OV i 1'1 C (o! he~ S l:. O oFf n r· . T t 1·1-.i. n k thor · e ::is a b1"oad r· C:! c o g n .. L t -:i. o n o;~ c I" o s :; 1:. h ·1. :; co u n t-.J" ':1 L2324 May 25, 1988 Vol XL that Newfoundland is an undeut~loped r~?.g·i.on. In fact, N E!IJJf o u n d 1 and 1 s rep r· E! s E! n tat i v E! in 1:·. h l'! F r:~ d E:~ Y' i'\ J.

C cl b 'i. n r:~ 1: n o 1: t: o o 1 o n g a g o t a 1 k e d a b.o u t - c om p a r :l n g t: h e ()1-:.lani·.·.:ic Rr:~gion, and Nc,~IJJfoundldnd was on his rn:.i.nd, no doubt, as it: usually ~s. Lo the Third World. There :is a recognition that ~~vc,~r·ything that N~~wFoundl.i\1ncl and Labrador as a Pr·ovinc(; ! J.s i:l-1::1-:.l;!rnp-l:::i.ng l·.:o df~d.l. IAJ"i.l:h - IAll'! hE:!dY' thJs. all the time from various rn-i. n -i. s +·. e r· s 1:-. a l. k .. .i. n g abo 1.1 t_ 1·:. h r::! F ·i. s .. c t~ 1 d:ifficultiE!S of the Pr·ovJnCE! is d r~ v o 1. o p 1 n c,1 n 1:. a J. . l l: "i. s c 1, c-:! a r' , o r' a t·.

J!r:~~st it should bE! cJ.ea1n, that in COI'lS "i.dE!Y':ing r:-1 br'Odd ciOUf~J.oplfl(;!l'l t. strategy For the Province, which ·i!:; obwi.o11sl.y Uw fliH'I)·_ii:!I~J of t.hr:• gov~~rnrnE:~n-1: ··-that is the bU!>J.I'I(!~>~> or l:l·11~ gotH!t'I'HriE!rJI:, 1-.o l.:r'lj ;:HH:I cl~: !r:~J Jn et concrete way with Lhe df~VI~'J.Opillf~nf: or<'\ !;l:r'di:(:!qy ·1: 0 llli:'tke full use of all our resources the 1: i.1no h<:·u; 1:01111;~ i:o include~ in all our planning and our "i.ncrecls"i.ng Fascination these days the Premier quite regularly cornes -i.nl·:o lhE!

House:! iotnd pr·ornisr,,s new and expanded activity in s c :i.E:~ nco i:~ n d t f'! c h no l. o g y . 1·1 c~ .i. s to be lauded for that, soiTIE!t:irnes rno r· ~'! \>

t) t h iHl at o tl-1 E! r' l:: .i rrJ(:' s . The,, pr·obl.erns IAd.l:h l::h~:! qr'('!E!nhousr:• a1ne onE!S that are :in front of us evr:~I"Y di:,,y, but ol-:her' l·.:::i.rn(,~~; on t.h(;! commitment to _ science and l:. r:~ c h n o l. o g y , 1:. h f~ c o 'l d o c c:! a n research, the earth sciences, i:hes~:! 1.-.h·ings, i·.ht:! ·foCIJS 'l:hat. t.hE! university has on development sc .. ionco <:1nd l:r~chnoloqy, the Premier gives a good argument. Mf~. SPEAKER : 0 r· d e;! r· , p l. e a s e ! o-F concl111l"i.ng, I No. 43 [~2324

may hi'IVE:! a rntnul<~ or so, I IAidnt to say, par·l:-.icularly to thE! Minj ster· 0 f c 1.11. 1·:. u r 0 I I~ e c r'<:! a l: t 0 n c:Hl d y () u 1:: h I t.hcd whE!I'I hE! sits at Lhe Cabtnet T d b J. <'! d n d l: h <;! r· o ''' ,., l'! c o rn p ~! ·l. t n g dE!rTICI.I'Jds be:ing mr.\de on l~ he r' e ~; () u r' c (~ ~; () r 1:. h ~ = ! p r' () \) -L l'l c (,! I 1.: he ndn:i.s Lel" should t .ab:! sorn~~ s oli'.lc~:! ·i.n l.hc ri·lc:i ·. l:hr·ll · · i.nc:r · r~d ~ ;oi.ng ' ly i:\ c I" o s s -t 1·1 <'!

P r· o v :i n c E! t h ~~ ,~ e :i ~; t. h <:? gr' OIAJ-i.ng r·ocogn ·i.l.:i .on l:haL Ol.lt' cult Ul"i:tl Y'E~sotH'CE~s cti"E~ among Lhf:! 1no~;L i.lnporl·.,:nll: . , .:1nd ·i.f l.:hE!J"U "i. !; ('1 v <:11" i:t quest: :ion of r· E~ 1 a LivE:! n e ~H:J dt'Ol.l nd Lho Cab·i. nf~1:. T c::lb l. <;!, h<:? IAJ"i. l.l hcwE~ no pr·oblern, :in polit:icaJ. I·: E~r·rns, "i.n gE:!n~ : !Y'i.'ll-:"i.ng br·oad suppor·+: for· any :initiatives that the rni.ni .s'l-.er· and th~1 gover'tlJJJE:lnt: rwlghl : take in thE! cultural industry.

Mr·. ~3p~~ah1r, I haVE! tl.~oiE:Hlly m:i.nut:f~$ more next Wednesday and I will r'Ed.:ur·n and ~~xpand on so111E~ of UH:!SE! themes and raise some new ones. I lAd. J.J. b (! p 1. eaSE! d t 0 al.l. OIAI t: hE:! minister to rt:1spond to the motion rJ()IJ.j. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE:1ar, hear! M R . S P FA I< E R : T h r:~ h on . L h o Min 'i. s ·!:or' oF C Jtl ·!: 1.1 r· t:! , I~E:1Cl"E:!c\t :ion and Youth . MR. nur r: T l'l'i'l n k y () u v !::! r y I 111.1 c h I r"' r· . I IAii'Hl 1.: Lo COIIJIIHHH.I the hon. l:.hr,, rnr:HIIber' fOI" St .

John 1 s East ror br·i. ng"i. ng for'IAJar·d t.:h i. ~; I"C,l so J.u t-. ·ion . While 1 heue s ome problems wi t h Uw IAJOr'd -Lnq, l hr::! s e i:H'f~ trw l"e l. ':1 techn:i.ca] matters in getting it into its proper perspective and t:iming. I think we can agi~E!E:! on it for the most part.

Tt ·is important, a ~; IAJeJ.l, that as it :is l:hr::! ·F.ir·st Pr·-:i.val:. c,~ l'-1elnb<:1r'1 S r·esolution that the han. rTJE!rnber h t:1 d d n o p p o r· t. u n t t y 1: o b r· .. i. n g b e F o I" <:1 the HouSE!, it is on a subjE!Ct that L2 3 2 ~i Vol XI .. hP t~1nd I hi.·1VO a lot of irtut:.ual understanding and agreernE!nt on. A ~; n rrk1 1.: 1:. o r· o f 17 d c 1-. , 'i. 1:·: i s o n e o I"' Lhe very fE!IAI things thE~ hon. gen i··.Jr,lrndn r:·1nc:l T i~191"r~r:! on. N!,1VIi!i"l:hol.n~;~;, on t-.h -i ~; -i.IIIPOI"t:.anL matter', Ml" .

SpeaioH', IAIE! agr'<;!E! r:trld d<.:Jr' nn IAJholr,,h(:!<:1r'tr,1d-l y on thr:• importance of the culturaJ. COilllrlllt'l .i. ·l·. y, bol :h fr·or11 iii ~;oc - i.r :1l. c!1nd cuJ.tural point of view, for Lhe c~conorn · i . c Vi:·1l1 . 1r~ of culLur·,~l a c t i v J t i E! s i n o u r· c o rnrn u n i L :i (o! s r:•\ r' () l.l i'J d 1:. h tl p r' C) \) "i. I'J C (o!

I 1.. h f:\ k .. i. /'l d (l f montes that foJ.k festivi:-lls r.u-1d so on gc,?n<;!rd l ·. (~, c;~nd Lhr:'! r::!lrtp1oyrnr::!l'l t·. created in the per·forrnJ.ng ar·ts and \)is IJt!ll. rH' L s and s 0 Ol'l iH'OUnd our· ProvinCE!, it :is extrE!ITIE<ly :i.ut p or· t: a n 1: . I want to tell the han . member th~l 1 find very l"i.tLl.e wrong with this resolution that he has br·o1.1gh-l:. foi"IAJi:,,r·r:l E!XCf:!pt., pE!r··ht'IFJS, that I wouJ.d have hr:-:~d thE! wording ;:,, 1. ·J t 'L l. o d ·i. f f E~ I" (o1 n t .

J 1.1 ~; L t.: o d r::! f~ 1 quickly with the resoJ.ut:ion, bc~Cr':II.ISH tl.~oiHJ'li :. ':J rrd.nut :os goe s by very quickly when you ar·e on such d n -i. rn p o r· t d n l-: s u b j <:! c L , rn ':1 IAJ or· d :.i. n g would have been a little d :i. f r (;! r· e n 1.: . N C:l \) 0 r' t h 0 l 0 s s I T c i:1 n 1r:~aVE:1 !:he f:ir·sl pc1rt oF thr::! r' e ~' o 1. 1 1 t -L o n "' ~; i L exception, I think, L h '~ ~ > n c o n d ~~II F f~ r:: A ~'l : Newfoundland and ts 1~1 t l :. h and t l·1i:'1 t 'I;~HFI\FA~3 L a b r'C.\C:J o I" on<;! ::i. s t: hE!

A I" 1:: s C o 1.1 n c .i J. f:! x J. s 1:. ~; d s a n ;:;1 g e n c y dc~s:ignNI to act as a l :i. feJ.ine For IAJO r ld. n 9 a r· t ·i s 1: :; I:J 11 1:. has b r::! E'! n unable to fulfill its ITJi!II'JdatE! clue l.:o Lh<'! :i.1nposooLL·oi.on oF ~;E:!ver'E• E!Conomic restraints. • That :is -·· 1 IAI:i.ll. nol:. st:-1y t.IAJ-:i.st.e1d, t.:hdL J. s not a good parliamentary word SOirlf:!I.!Jhat d ·iFF<:H'fHlt. l:hc!irl l.-.1-H'l IAklY I woul.d have put it, Mr. SpE!aker .

I t h :i. n k , ·P (o! r· hap s , t 11 <,~ o b j H c t. t v(;' s of thE~ N E:' 1.1.1f o u n d 1 and and Lab r r:H~ or A r· t s Cou n c .. i.l. a Y'f~ l:: o F o s l:.e r and pr·orno LE! thE! study, production and R2325 .-:

EHlj oyrnE:Hd.· of WOI"k :in i'H'LS t:hr•ough 9 r· a n 1:: !> •'\ n d o 1-. h o r· rn (,~ i:-\ n s . T h <)\ 1.. 1. :; r·E:~aJ ly t.he IAif.lY I !;E:H:! thE! rolE:! of thr:' N(~I~JfoLJI'ldl.i:HH:I <'tnd IJ\br·mdor· Ar·+.·.s Council., peoplE~ who ar'E! doing yeolflan ~;~::1r·vic(~ t·:.o th:i.s Pr·ovtnc(~. M t' . S p r:~ a k ("! r· , I tJd. n !< i. t: :i. s important to point out some of the v <'! r· y s i 9 n :i f :i c a n t. t h i n 9 s t h a t h a v e happE:~ned during thE! Peckford Adulints ·l·:rat.ton in the ar·t~; community here in Newfoundland and Labrador.

As an adm .intstral..ion, we do not have to take a back seat to anyone in what we have ini t:ia"l:.E~d and br·ought forward for t h e c u 1 t u r· "'' 1 c o rmn u rd 1:: y o t.d:: t h E:H' e . Nobody disagrees that more money ts r'(o!Cjl.l""i.l"t~d. t thi.nk L·.ho hon. rrHHIIbEH' IAli:AS quj b~ Faitn in thE:! COllllrll'!nl.. I'H"! tlliHIO, 1:.1'lij\L I~JO l'li'llH1 l:o compete against social services, h o s p :i. L <'\ l. b E:1 d !) , r o .:-1 d :; , t~k\ hH' n i 1 d !;f:'!tAll'H', a11d ·t-h:ings J·.ii<E:! that, so yo 11 l'ii:\ \J c:! L: o J.o o k ;:~ L i. 1: <'\ "11 I"E)rJ]J!d.:-J cc.tl.Jy. TilE'!

CuJ tut"c.tl Affa:ir·s Division of l:.l'w Oopartrnon t. of· Cul.l:1.1 r'(~, RE!cr·eation and Youth spr:~nds about 3S pE:!r' CfHlt of Lho dopalnttrHHll:'s budget. I tAJant to dernonstr·ate l·:hat and g ::i.ve you so111H facLs and figures in that re:~gard, becauSE! I thtnk it :is :impor·tdnl. l·.:o gE!t. ·"LI··. on UtE! public r·ecord. I know there ar'(~ som("! pE!Opl.f~ in the 9all(;!r··Lo~; today f r·orn thE! c ul tu 1nal c ornmu nH:y and Ul(! cu·t.s connnun i l::y and so on, and perhaps even some of those pr:wplc,~ 1r1ay not know Lh~:! (~xi·.:(;!J' lt of t he m o n E! y w (;! d o s p ~~ n d .

I t hi n k IAJ E:! a r· e l. a c k L n g , by L h •~ lo~J•'\ y , and , •:·\ s d relatively new minister in the d u par· t: rn e n t. , i. t ·i s a g r· e ''' 1:. <:\ r' Eo!"' of :ini.er·•~st t·:o THE!, the ar·er-.1 that :r '""'' n -1:. L o F o c u s i. n o n , T h o p n , pdi"l:iculat"1y irt the,~ nE~xt buclgE!t yo .::t I" , 'i. ~; +.: l·w +.: h r· 11 s 'L L oto~k\r' d ~-' h Lltrk\1"1 I"(~!~OUI"CE:! ciE'!VE:!]Oprrten·l. 1.2326 Mi)\Y 25, 1988 Vol XL the cultural cornrnuniLy on in 1-r'i:\S tr·u cl:ur·o. .T11 s t: :i. n t: he adrninistr·ati.on of thE!

Div:is:ion, for· OXr.,\tnpl.E!, l·:hE:!r'u i.s about·. $120,000 a Y("!ar d.ght not~J. AJ"ts d n d C ul. 1·. u I"'~ C H n t: l" o s co~; t. i:\ b o u t: $1.2 million a year to operate and to~J hE! n you l o o k a 1·. L h r:! s or· v i. cos t. h a t are voted in other departments for uti1ities, building services, g(:111E!ra1 rna:i.ntE!nanCE! plnograrnrnE!S and so on, it is another $1.5 million. But i·:.hE:!I"Eo! al"f~ sottl<,~ intE!r'es t·.ing things IAJE! do hE!r·e, Mr. Sp~1akE!r, 1 1·.: h i n k l: h a t. "' r· r~ c on 11 no n d d b 1 E! .

W h :i. 1 e rrlore money is requ:ii"E!d, and I d91"<,~e th<~l"<'! ·i.s tnor'C:! rnonE!Y r(;!quirE!d, I l::hink thE! in:it:iat.:ivE!S 1·. h d 1: 111 y p r· fo! doc e s so i" s h <:\ v ~:! i:. a k i:'! n are cornmendabl.e.

I take no credit rot• t.hd ·i: OXCHpt r·\:; d suppor·l:.:.i.ng member of this administration. f\111·. ·i.n LhH ar' u;:-\ oF ~;t . tppor·L for· cu1tural acLlVltJes in salaries, ·i.n 1:1".:-\Vul dnd s11ppl : i. u';, and :i.n those areas we spend about $1.00,000 i:.h"i.~; Yf'!dl". lrJ(;! pr·ovid(:! gr·ants and subsidies, incJ.ud :ing l·.ho rtr· ·l::; r:·1ncl l.<,~l·.:l:c:!r':; ColtlpC;!I·.:it.ion, Lhe Publishers Ass1sLance Pr·ogr·atnHIO and o UHH'S and l.:hat : costs about $22S,OOO or a quartE!Jn or a mill.i.on doJ.l.ar·~; l~ yc-:~ar· .

Programming for Arts and Culture CE~nLl"~:!S and s<,~cond cir·cu".i.L vr:~nur~s ar'('! costing about: $1.3 rni11ion a y f~ a 1" . 0 F c o ur· s (o! , N Eo!IAJ f o u n d 1 a n d Public Librar±E!S, IAJhich is a VE!ry -Ltnpol" 'i:anL par•l:. of l:.hE! Cu1t:ur·a.l Affairs Diujsion, has a budget: of $ 5 . 5 In :i.ll. ·i, 0 n •:l y fhH' , M r· . S p E~ i:\ I< E! t' .

ThE'! ar·o;:1 l br,!J·"i.(:!VO, ;::1nd tnos ·t members would agree, where I think IAJe h(~\vn l":o foctt!> 1nor·::! dtt(:!nLi.on on :is thE! gr·ani:s Lo Lhe Nf:·t~Jround1and r:·\lld l.dbt"ddor :ir'i:! > Cot.tnc:i.l IAlh .i.ch "i.s · pln(;!Sl,!nt.J.y at $36B, 000. J t:h:Lnk l:.her·n i~; "'J·'r:!cogn ·i.t:·inn oF 1-:.hal··., and i L .is t:iiTIE! fo1" a t"(:!V:i E~lo~J. No. 43 R2326

hon. wembC:H' tAJho br·ough+·. 'i.n Uds resolution and share something tAJli:h h-:i.Ht. I · take,~ no pr·i.d(:~ "i.n doing it because actually, the <.~lllf:Hlclmc;,nL tAJI·r:i:ch I IAI'.i.ll put forward, which I think will not destroy anything in the hon. ruernber·'s rno1:ion but, it. was c l c~ ~~ r· l y lA I h .:-1 L: T J. n l: e n d ~~ d L o d o after· ·t h<.;! St~~ph~HlVilJ E! Ar•Ls Co n f CH' c,Hl c 0. . [ i'-\l'fl g 0 ·i. n g L o b o thEH'E!, of cour·s~~, fr·ont and co nt r·c~. SOMF HON. MEMBERS: 1-lor.n·, hear·! MR.

BUTT: T i'Hrl l.ook.i.ng For•w;:~r·d to go·ing ·l·:o Stephenv:ilJ C:~ in July to mE:H;!t r.~J:lth t h o s E! p E!! o p l. E!! , 1.: o s o 1 -L c i. 'l: L h c,~ -:J. r· t.~JisE:~ cotHlSE!l on m<HlY, many areas of 'i.ntE:!r'E~st i.n 1--.hE:~ i:,ll"t.s and culture community. MR. LONG: (Inaudible) be there to l.isten. MR.

BUTT: To listen lhi':H'C~ to r.~rill go as we 11 . yes • l.tst.en, indc~ed. to lisb:Hl and I Lui.ll be Yes, l so1ici.t Uw i. r u.ri. s ~~ c o u n s c~ l I:H~ c au s o s o HH~ o f thc,Hn to~d 11 have:~, no doubt, valued i. n p1.1 '1:. :in t.o t h;:~ t :i rnpo r i:.c::t r·11:. confE!I"~~ncc,~. l could go 1 ·i. s t·. o r [)(:~ p f.ll" t: ru o n t: on and g:iue you i:l o t h C:!

I" t h -i. n g !; is :inuo]uE:H:I in, long Lhr:' Mt". ~3 p (:' d k o r· , f,() 01'1. ·i. n s e c: o n d .:~ r' 1J c :i. t' t: 1 1 i. t: :; ,,, n d The:H·~~ :.is<~ $30,000 gr·ant: F o i" d r· i.·. :; i't n' I c 1 1l. i": u r· c:~ c o n t r-· E~ ::• , ,,, r· 1. :> and cuJ tui"E:~ facil:i . Lies, j nclud'.i ng LhE~ dovc:,Joprnonl.: of Mf!!lAJ fa ciJ. :i t:ie:~ s . Thii:H'C:~ :is $15 3, 000 for· l.: h a t. •'U) 1.1)(,1'1.1. ' ::· 0 r' I: I·H~ pI II" c h i:·l s f~ () r rna t (,1 r· i a J s c'l n d so on , thE! r e '.is $?.00,000 and l:.hal: 'i.~; t n !..hE:! Publ.-Lc Libraries Board area.

I sa 1J noted L2327 t.h i. s Lhat bc,1cause:~ -Lt. thE! budget May 25. 1988 s hou l.d bE! allocation Vol. XL For t·:hc.;! Cu ll.:u r·a l. 11ff at r s Dt v i. s .i.on is the largest single amount of all :in the~ lol:i'll dE~par·t:rnE~n+.:. IF thE! budgEd: allocation For lhE! Histor"i.c Resources Division were added to the total, i L IAJould ;:,lcc:oun'L fOI" 36.:-3 pr.~r· CE'!I'll:: oF LhP total budgE't of LhE! De:1pa1"liTIE~nt. of C1~l . i:ure, Rr:,cr 't:!dl:.iun <'lntl Youl ·:h.

T i:h"i.nk i. l: ·i. s no1~1 -:i.llrpor'tdnt: IAJE!! l!:~stabl:u;h a r'E~UiE~IAI co-rnrn:itb:~e rrrad~~ 11p of I~Jnt·king dr'LJs+-.s, i:·.hr;! Depai"'LmE,nt of Cultur"<;,, RE!CI"E!atJon •'Hld YouLh, !)l.di.:i.st'i.c.~·ll dgE:!nt'i.(!S ·in the Pr·ovincE~, and so on, to t"ev'iE!U.J {ITi .s ~~rhoJ.c,~ pr•ocoss. U. is noto~J time to have a review. It has b E~ <:1 n s c~ v "' r· d l . y (,~ a r· s i. n pJ. i'l c E~ <:l n d ·i l: is now tiiTIE! for· a good, thor·ough Y' 0 U 'i_ E~ IAJ . ThE~ Cul.t.UI"EI1 Affai.1"s D·i.u:is'.i.on, Mr·. Speaker, spends $9,147,000 por IJ~~dr'. llllh"i.J.(:! T ddln .it.

Lhat.: J.s nol: enough, and maybE! tl'wrt:' arE! sorrtE! funds ·:Ln th~~r'E! that. should bE! directed more towards hurnan r· <-?.sour c: 1:~ de v 1::~ 1 o prnC:Hll , t ·t J s a substantial amount of money for a r·ol.at. :i.uc;,l.y Slrtnll. dl::!partrnc~'nl-'. · in a rc~latiVE!ly small Pr·ovince. It 'is no l·. o IJ c,~ r'1.11h (~ l .rn"i. n g , b 1.1 t. -L l:: .l ~; $9,147,000 per year. As lAJE~l], I lh:ink, it :i~; i.rnpoJnt:anL tu po'i.nl: 01.1L: tl'ldL IAJO dlso fund t:hr.:!

MUN Ar·t Galler·y and thor·e iH'e OLilC!I'' dop;.n•t.nrnnl.!:; of goUf:~r'MIIIE'!Ml that ~;ubsidtzc,1 and suppor·t ·Uw dr' L~; 'i.n l'.ho pt'Ot:llt'c,Hnen L ~>r·ogr·dnrnH;~, Lhc:~L is 1 pc,~r· cc;,nt. For· Lhc,~ lclst i.:hr'·tH'! !JE!dl":; , T 'o ·.h i.nk, i~H~ hi:·llJ~;, boc;;n spending around $100,000 a year ga i·.hc;!Y'"i. ng Vi.·ll.Ui:·lb l.E:! art IAJOI" I< f 01" all our public build:ings. That: ts u or· 1J i.1np or· '1.: ~·l n 1· .. MS VERGE : The Department of Education . MR. BUTT: Yes, thE! of Education 1~2327

: i~; alr.o i'1rL ·i.s t"i.c j nvoJ vc,~d in funding thE' .:1nd C11l.I".IH'i'1l COifllnUn:i.ty . . ' r~ u r· .:-11 , A g r· :i. c u J. t tJ r· "' J. H n cl 1\J o I" 1: h E! r· n Development supports the arts 1.: h I" o 11 g h 1:. h o i r· r u r· e1 l cl C'! u e l o p 1 n (;! n 1-: 91"i:lnts for· cr'c'lft:s c'lncl so on. Thi'.lt -i. s an :i IIIP or· L i:Hl i.: f:! J. C'! men i: IAJh E! n you look at the total picture.

ThE!re is a fail" amount of monE!Y going into the artisti.c and cultural community but perhaps so1nf~ o·f i. t nE:1~:!dS r'f~ .... ·d:ir·f~ct i.on and t hat is what this review committee hopefully will be ab le lo bri ng back, I1E!Cessary I"E~comrnE!ndations to gouf:!r'nrnf:!nl":. so 'in l·.: hf~ nf~Xt. F-.i.scal. y E~ a r t1'1 cl t. c ell' I b E! r e f 1 E! c t e d i n · t he budgf~ t: . Mr. Speaker, I want to moue an alflf'!ndmenl"., so c ondod by l:hc"! Pl"f~sidfHI'i': · of the Council. (Mr·. :'l.i.ll'lrns), +:h • .-1'1:: ~~~~~ dol.wl ;.o dl.l Uli :!

IAJO l"d ~; j ITIIlllcHH a h~ l.y in thE! f i Y' ~; t THFREFOf~F. BF. lT r~r~ ~ ?OI . IJED dnrl r·c'!p]acc'! jt IAJ::ith thf~ folloiAJing: "Author·j ZE:~ 1:1 r·euiew commission IAJ"i. l".h 1:.1~)0 obj Oc:-1: "i.UC'!S 11 dnd l:he objc,1c-t:iuE!S iH'f~ thE:~ samE! as ar·e in 1.: h e h o n . HHHn b e r· ' s r C'! s o 11.1 1-.:i. o n , o n o dnd tiAJO arE1 unchanged . T h E1 o 1·.: h ~'! r· p i:~ r· 1.. u f i. i:. "i. s t o d C'! l. ~=! t: e t he IAior·ds afl:<,1r AND BE Il FURTHEr~ R E ~')0 LV F D and r· c'! pl. ace .i 1: IAr:i.

L·. h t: h (:! follolAd.ng, this is thE! major· part of thE' change: "AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED i":l'li:tt 'LhE:~ study be,~ conducted as a s pecJal pr·oj o ct of l.:h<;! Deparl:lnE!nl :: of Culture:1, RE:~creation and Youth, involving the Nowfoundldnd Sta t is t ics Agency, the Nf:!IMfoundl.dnd t'lnd 1 . ~1i:H ' ddot' ()l"l :s CouncJ 1, thc:1 , Depdl" t rnent of F·i.nrtn CC!, I"OPI"E~Sf : !nl·. c:ll:"i.lJc ' !!) of i·.hr,1 :itldf~p C!ndE'!rl t IAJOI"kirlg cll"t· '.i~;ts, arid c.HlY oUwt ' f)r-:!pdl"hilnlll ·. ur' d gnncy nf:!CE~SSC\I"y; LI'IC!t SPE:'CjdJ. (·!fFOI"t!> bE ~ I:?:J/.13 IJo] X I.

ITii:l de Lo coll~?.cL dr.~ta fr·om dolf~9"' l:c·)!) c:11: l.:lle Corrf e t"C'!I'lCO r:r.H' th(,1 Ar·ts schNJuled For· July tn ~ : ; 1-:. o p h f:l n v -.i. l l. r,~ ; 1: h i.-1 i: .. i. ~ ; IAI h y 1·: h r::t 1:. is so important. We want: to hav e"! t·.h,,11.: lJd l. l.lf:!cl :.i.np1.1 1". 1:-.hf'!r'r'! ''and Lhat, in view of the tremendous dlfiOI,In 'L of IAJOr' k r' Hqu ·:L I"C!d i·. o pi" OPi:'II" E! adequate questionaire s , conduct l"es~~ar·ch, gatht:!l" :i.nfor'lrlc1l.:·.ion, and the response and assimilation time rE!qt r i.I"E!d to cowpl.

E:~ t f~ c1 FulJ. and a c curate E! u a l u at ion of t: hE! s tat us of lhE! ar·l .. i.st·.s, aci<'!Cjtlml::<:1 ti1ne be alJ.owed for the c ompletion of thi s s L:udy, ke:~(,,p'.'i.ng ·in 111 ::i.nd l·:ha t. I:: hE! results should bE! availablE! by thE! E:! n d u f D (~ c E~ rn b f:! 1" l 9 B B i. n "' d v a n c e of budget considerations for the 1. 9 a 9 1 1. 9 9 o r :i. s c i'll y c ~ m · . " I tr·us ·t that \:.hE! hon.

ITIE!I'IIbE!Y' For !'i 1: :r o h n ' ~; F. a s 1: h r;! nod s l'l'i. !> h <'! d cf 'in c1ppr·oual r,;,cogn :iZE'!S, of cour·~>l'!, ,:-Hlr:l s,:-\ 'i. d ~; o ·i. n l ri . ~; opf'!n .i.nq s 'l:. c'lte:~ m o nl . , that t.hj.s i':l.rriE!ndrnE!nl: 1~10 11l d no t: d n s 1: r· o y his r· u !> o l. u Li. o n but IAJOUld rnai<E! :it: TTIOl"Co1 ClCC("!p"l: c"lb]e i.-11'1 rl L i. lfH;! J. y f o r· L h o H o u s E! , t: ,~, !ci. n g into consideration the importance of l:h<c1 ~l·.ophc.: !nu·i.ll . c,~ rtr·L ~; .Counc:i .l.

CouJ.d I haVE! somf:d:)()dy to pass this o n 1-. o H .i. s H CHl 0 I 1 r' '1: 0 a d j 1.1 d .i. c i:~ h~ o n ? M R . S P E A K E R ( P a r· s o n s ) : Ot•drH', pl.C:1i\1Sf:!! T haur,~ rc,~dd Lh<o1 i':llflendrnE!I'l t: and I find it in order. ~R. BUTT: Thank you, Mr . Speaker . 1 IAI .i l. l j1 . 1~;l·: coni: ·inu e and t•JI"i:'IP up. I lAJant to address ju s t UE!ry br'i f~Fl.y l·:.h<;! ucono1n·ic val.llf'! of cuJ.tural activities in our Pr·o w i.n r: o c:u1d ·i. n 01.1!'' co11n t 1"Y . :r: ~~JHS For·Luna "i".r~ C!l'lOLigh l:.o at.LE:!nd a confE!Y'E!

I'l C E~ just r'E!c e nt1y in r~ r) 1'1 i-: r' 0 i.•\ J 1~1 h (! r' ( ! t . h ·i_ ~ ; U ('! I" y i. 0 p "i, C i)\ l. s ubject was being d1scussed. 1\Jo . II.]

While we had presentations from the c.i ty of N~~w York, Ber·J.:Ln and places likE! that, if you wante!d to s c a 1 <.;! t t d OIAJI'l L o our· s i z "! , t n fact, it clearly showed cultural and social actiuittes .in our Pr·ouinc<.;! can draiAJ big dolJ.ar·s Jn 1·:. o u r· :i. s 1: d o 1 J. a r· s a n d s o o n . I f y o u 1 o o k r:l 1:'. 1:. h (~ S l'. r:~ p h E:~ n lJ i ll c~ Festival now, that is associatE!d <:·u; i~l 1:'. our' -i, ~ ;HI boos 1: n t' "i. n LI·H:! B <:~ y Sl:. G~wr·ge iH'E:!a. The:~ St:eph<;!nuj lJ e f E:~ S L'.i.

l) t•ll. -j_ ~; lAW ll k i'l OIAJJ'I n OIJ.J 'l.hr·ough<w't. Fi:tst~H'n CiHli-.H~a cHld, in Facl.l :i.n ~>Oifle pdr'l: ~; or l:hr:~ un · i.l:r~d Stcd . c,~s. :r think thosE~ l<:ind~; of ·cActiv:it:it:1S c r' e ,,, I: o d l". r' C:! 1 n r-:! n d o 1 ~ s n c o nom :L r: u <:·ll. 1.1 ~~ j 11 cc,~l"t:r.d n par·ts of our· Pl"ovincc~.

Th (:~ Hid n lj I l'rlri11'11j () 1: h (;! r' r 0 J. k festivals c:ct.tn\C:t peopJe fr·om not onl.y · 1..11i.l:·.h'i.n t:ho Pr·oui.nc~~ I IAJho travel they spend money obv:i.ously and st:.i1nulc:~l:<::~ <::~rnpl.ol)l'fll::1nL and all kinds of good activities ln somE! rnor'l:~ r·<:Hnol:<::~ iH'<::~as of our Province but also, of course, people 1..11ho come .in fr·orn all. ov~;H' the United States and Canada.

Just the other day I IAJas watching tel<,w-i.s'.i.on and :r. saiAJ a coupJ.~:! being interviewed from New York dOIAlrl . cl'i". i·. h('! .. i.IAI"i. l.l.-i_ng(:,li :C:! folk f E! s t: j v a J a n d t . h E! y h i~l v c,~ I:H:HHl c o rn i n g l:o TIAd.1 J. ing; ;, l:r,~ now for the lm s i·: ~; ~~ u E! n o I" <"! :i. g h t y E:~ a I" s . The y t hi n k -i. I: .i ~; i ·. h r~ be s ·1 ·. 1.: h ·L n g s 'i n c t'! !> l :'i. c r-~ cl bl~~:!i:ld. Tll(;!y JOVE:~ it and ti'JE:~y IAJ:i.J] Cl)lflf~ b•.~r:k l7 or· Lhr~ I'H~XI'. l.t:!l'l IJI·~dt'S ltOj;H~ f'uJJy . ;:lo i. t.

Ci" (~aLE!S Lhr.ll.. k i n d 0 j- H C 0 1'1 0 I n-i C V i:l 1 I I r,~ 1'. 0 0 II r· Pr·ovj nee i:tnd I o OUI" countt"Y. The F i. l'l··ll p c)"i. n 1'. T IAJ i:ll'l I. 1'. o j u s I: lllc:tk~::! j11 pc:tss:ing :i ~; t o br·'ing hon. lllf ' !rrt~H:!r's . up l:o d(:·ll:.e . T he NeiAJfoundJand Ar·Ls Council nOIAJ, of course~~~ is housc~d .i.n a bu ... i.l.r.l'.ing thcll:: is Ir::~ss than d~:!sir·ablE!. L2329 May 25~ 1988 Vol XL. They will be taking up new premi s as in thG histortc Newman properties downtown in late Autumn of Lhts year. I think that .is important. That will b E• a p~?.rrnanE! nt hotno for· thE!

Newfoundland and Labrador Arts C o u n c t 1. 1 p f~ o p 1 f:! IAJ h o h ;:-1 v r,~ d (~ d ·.1 c i:,\ 1:: r:! d a lot of time and effort. While it has r:onl:I"OUPt ' s ·i.l-11, :i. t: h.:-1s done a good job, I Lhink, fo1n thE! artists, fol" IJOlJt:!l"l'lHlonl: <:Hld fol" l:h:~ FH~oplo oF Newfoundland and Labrador . t knOIAJ j t has be<::Hl SUggr::~s't(:!d by :;oul!,~ flt·Wpl.o in l:hu dl"l:.!> co.tllrnun 'i. l·.·. y t.ht~t Ulis should be a totally o l.

I"! c l'. 0. d bod y . (;J h :i_ 1 C'! 1:. h a 'l: <:1 p p f~ •:'t r· s on the surfaCE! to bE:! a vei"Y pr·acl: "i.c,·ll IAlHIJ l.:o go, in facl:·. ~ I think it has some inherent co 1np J. ·i. c a 1: i. on~; "i. n ·i 1:. . T g u E! s s t h ill 1: is onE! of rnany subj octs that IAJ.i.ll be d'i!>cussHd at. t-.h<,~ Sl:.l~phenu.i.J . lE! Arts ConferencE!. So, Mr· . SpeakE!r, in concluding rny r·c,~rnHr'l(s on i·:hi.s '.i.mpolnt:.ant. resoluU on, as arne.ndE!d, I hopE! that UHc~ arnE!rlclHIEHli': I put: fcnniAJc:-:tr•d will recej ve a favourablE! responSE! Fr·om rnornb(~r·s of l::h(:!

House,~ on boLl'! sides and from all parties. I look fol"tAJal"cl Lo car'l"y.i.ng on Lh.is debate in Stephenville :in July. Thank you . MR. HTSCOCI<: M t' . ~) p e r~ I< f'! r· . r"' R ._~s fl r:: A J$£JLi.f a r· ~:;_9 n_~i..l : ThE! hon. Ll·w rn<,~rnber· for· Eag1E:! r~ ·i. u <:! r' . MR. HISCOCK: !'hank you, Mr· . ~)PE'!<:lk<;!r· ·. SOME l-ION. MEMBEI~S: Hear, hear·! No . ,1-3 RZ329

MR. HISCOCK: Tho o·fl-i .cJdJ. pJ~~i:ISE!d IAJ:i'l.i'J I~JO 1.11. d J. j_ k () I:

l) bit HIO I'' E! of 0 p p o ~d L :i. o n .1. ~; q 1.1 i I-_(~ L hE:~ I"(-'! s 0 J Ll t t ()I' I . w ~~ ~;e::~ i. l-. in i'l- l. ·i_l-_i:l.e a simple form of l.dngLt,:'\ge. W i_ I: I 1 r· C'! g .:-1 r' d L o 11 W H E R ::~A ~3 L h o C "i. I .. IJ of St. John's is currently l"l~VO'i_f~Liri.ng ii:~; f"i.n,•1nc'iaJ. and poJ"i.cy c omrnt ·t.n1E:Hlt: t: o civic rH'b;, 11 we would hope it would not only he in regard to St. John's L