Volume XL Fridav Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 71 _,. -: 8 July 1988

The House met at 10:00 a.m. ~R. SPEB_!$..f.~ (McNicholas) ; Order, please! 0 0 0 MR . GULLAGE : M r . S p e a k c"H' . MR . SPF.AKER: The hon. the rnE~mber for Waterford .. - I<E:~nmotJn l. ,t'IR. GU L I_AGF. : On a poinl of order, Mr . Speaker, tr I rntght hauc-) about thJinty ~;e c ond s of Lh(: ' House' s ttme, many rn c,,rnbE~r ·s h au E~ b E!~=!n aski.ng rrlE! about 'the Sf . John's Soiree ce lebr· a t.i ons ,- clbou 1: So i.r 'E! e hats and p·ins and- so on, so I thought. it opportune, if I might ju st take a minute, to sa y t.h c3.t . I hauc ;! hats and pins for all members of the Hous E:~ . SOME HON.

MEMBERS : HE! ar, hear·! 1\-1 R . G U I I A C E : And Hi s Worship, the Mayor, and c·.i ty Coun cil. i:~J"!:! ITJOr'E• thdn happy to provide th ese to you and w e hope you do f:i.nd L:i.1ne ovr,,r Lh<:• Surmner· l::o cornE! ba ck and spE !nd sornE• t-i.rne t.1.J i. Lh our ceJ.c,,brat ·i.ons . MR . WINDSOR : And par ··! icular·Jy the SurnmE~r Garnc -?.s . MR . GUl L.AGE : A I' I d J 0 f c 0 u l'"' s ('~ J ,,, s 1.: h e m ('!In b lc! r· r 0 l'' Mount Peen·] (l'~r. ~-Jindsor·) hcts ctl. In E:! .:'\ cJ y S i:'l i d I f1 d 1"1 y t .i.J f1 (! S , -l:. d J< e ctdvarl'l:agE! as LJ.H:!l1 of u:i si l:ing thE!

SUJ IJiflE!I" Ga lnHs ·irl At. I<.::JUSi: . T hcq :H'! you have a good Summer. SOME HON . MEMBERS : H 1=• i"'l r h C:' "~ I" I L4-122 July 8, 1988 VolXL MR. WINDSOR: r4r . SpE"~aker . MR . SPEAKER : The hon. the M:i.nister · of FinancE• . MR. WINDSOR: Mr. SpeakE!r, I thank thE! han . genl".leman for hi.s tnuitation. I haue a] ready had the honour, and many of rny col.l .c,~agUE!S, of participating in sorne of the ~)o:i.r'e( ~ 1 a a ev8nt.s. :r. als o wan t l::o inu:it.e al1 hon. colleagUE!S to join .i.n the ~3ummc-J.r' C r.:Hn: :~s , and I t.~.Ji.ll circulate sorne Summer Games pin s J. i:l 1:.

E:' r· i.: h :i. s 1 no l" n '1. n g a s we 11. . SOME HON. MEMBER S: Hear, hear! Oral Questions MR. WELLS : Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon . l:hc'! l...eaclr::•r' oF t. hE! Oppos :.i.ti .on . MR. WELLS : Iaing(;Ing to ask the TTJC:!rnbers or l:. h e H o u s e t h i s 111 u I" n i n g l:: o s h a r· 1=· i. n a Ji tt1e b:it of rnjsery that the peopl.lc~ or~ Ruchr"lnS hi:'lVe been suffE!r·tng for soJTJe tirne . Mr·.

S p E:~ a k c;! r· , ('' v c:! n s :i. n c lc~ l.: h l'~ 1rri . n 1;! clo sure , a s hon. l'riE!rnbers tJJi11 k n ot.o~l, so lllC'! y C'! i:'l i" s ago , Buchan s has been f1oundering with an lll'lO iilpl.Q y rnE!n l~ r·al.C! or dboul.. BO pE!r' CE! nt. The mjne t.~.Jas l:hr::• on]y eco nQ111: i.c C'!l'lg .i nr::o · i.n l.h<'tl :. COl lltn UI'L.i. t:.y and· eFforts haVE! bE•E !n rnade to LJ; .. y <:1 n d c:. 1·. t r· ,.,, c t <~ r:: u de I" a l p c::~ n .-i l. en L d. r· y to that corn 1nun jt.y to r·ep]ace l~he lrl i.

J"ll" . r h (' r: (J llllrll.lrli. 1: 'j iv'l ~~ d 0 n ( ' a tr em endous amount of wor k toward promol-. 1 ng that. rhey ha v0 rr::•ceivE·d the suppor ·L oF Lhe M · i n --I. s 1.: ,,. r· o f J u s : ... i. c r-:• ( f\1 s U r:=· r· q r:=! ) I No. 71 (Morn:i ,r l~

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am happy to say, thi"!Y hav'~ also recejved the support of l:hE! City of S 1·. . John 1 s , I~ he · C i. l:'y of Cor· n c~ r· Rr·ook, and of a great number of 0 l.:l·w;~ COinlflUn i.l i.E•S, but noth.i .ng hi'IS happened. Now it is suggested, rumoured on Uw rH:'t.us t.:h i.s morning, that the prison is to be constructed in the Town of Car·bonr:~al". MR. YOUNG: Carbonear or Har·bour Grace . MR. WELLS: Now I have nothing against the TotJJn of Carbonear, and I t~.d s h them well in every endeavour, but they do have the good fortune {:o have onE:~ of thE! lower unE!rnployrnE!nt rates in this Province,

whereas Buchans and Central Newfoundland and WC"!StE!I"O Nc;!wfound1and, i.n gE!neral, havE• been floundering, B u c h a n s i. n par t. i c u 1 a 1~ , 1~li I: h <~ b o u i: 80 per cent. My question is: Doc:!S LhE:! 1'111-Ln.i.s LE:!I" oF Jus ·l: i.c1:• kno1iJ anything about this, and can shE! confj i"lll Lh<'l.t !:his dr~ci.s i.on hi:\s bE!C"!n rlli:·tde, Ol" t:hat a clf"f:in:itE! dc:!ci.sion has ber:!n nktdc• nol · Lo J.OCi'lt.E:• t:·hc"· pr·::i..son j.n the:! To1.:.1n of H1Jchans? MR. SPr: :AKI: :R: The hon. the Minister of Just:ice. MS Vf:RGE: Mr. ::1pr:~akl;!r, I knOIAJ notiY"i.ng about thE!

Feder·al goVE!rnrnen t having madE! a dec:is:ion on C:'i.thC"!r bui.ld .. i.ng and operating a federal penitentjary in our Province or choosing a locat·.ion for a future insUtution of that nature. This administration has been actively pur·su .ing l.he l'lC!C"!d for ' a Feder·al medium security correctional Cl:!nl ·.f'·r· ·i.n our' Prov··i .ncf'! opel~i:'tl:t::!cl by the federal government for the pasl several years.

Af~er considerable study we have taken l: h e p o s i l.: ·j o n L. h i~t I: Fl1 1 c h i'1 n ~; .-i. s i h C! 1. ~~~ n Jtt1y 8, 19B8 U Cl J XL b ~~ s L 1 o c a t .i. o n for· s u c h a fed (! r· N.l penitE!ntiary. The rE!asons we favour Buchans have L o d o IAI i. 1. h fl u c h d n s 1 c e n 1:. r· a 1 location and thE! facL l:hat a C r-;! 1'1 1: (:! r· J 0 C ~'tl e d thE:! Y' e IAIO U l cl b (' reasonably equally accessible by r·~C~lat·i.vE!S ;:-J.nd fr·i.E!nds of inrnatE'!S in every part of Newfoundland, ~astern Newfoundland and Western NeiAJfoundland.

The VE!ry r·eason that IAJe have bEH!n ur·gtng the federaJ. government to establish a federal cent.er· in our Prov:incc-:1 Js that correctionaJ. expE!rts rna:i.nta:i n that vJs.it.s Ft"OITI r·elativE~s and friends arE! I<E!Y t.o thE! rehabiJ.itRtJon of imnates. rhe fact that NE!WfoundJ.and j nrnates have hRd i:o be incarcc-:'!r'at("!cl j.n MainJ.and ins l:i r:utions has effecti.VE:'l.Y dented our -Lnrndtr:•s of that contac~ wjth relatives and Friends ·found so 11(-'!CE'!SSiH'Y Lo thEd r chances for rE!habi.l i.tation. A 1 o g i. c a l I:! x l:.

L"! n s i. o 1·1 o f 1·: h a t. arguiTIE!nL :is that l:hE:. fedt:!J~al Pl'! n:i. l·:r:! n l. La r'y should bt'! E'! s l··.ab 1 j. s l·lt;!cl in d cE·ntral 1ocat:l.on :in o1 .1r'

r) r· o v ".i. n r~ [" , i" d 1.: h H r· L h a n o n l. h ''! Eastern edge of the Provtnce. Secondl.y, the community of Buchans ('! m b r'"' c e s d ll a :.; p t' c l. s o r h a v .i n '.:! i'l. correc t:iona1 Cti:'t1l:er. Ther'E:' arE! a 11UirtbL'!r' oF o Lh<: !r' rnunic -i.pc:''li.l:.ic:!S I;,Jho rni. g h t 1 j k e to havE! t h E:• consl:ruct'i.on and jobs and c:!conotnic spinoffs, but would not IAJanl: to hRve the in111ates.

Buchans, as a community, through the J.eadE!rsh:i.p or=- Mayor Sc;•an PotAIE!r' and Lh~:.~ R(:•d Indian Lake Development As soc i at i. on , o v '" r· a per· i. u d oF "year·s haVE! resE•arched thJ.~~ quest. i. on . T h t:! y (;• LJ ~~· n moun L L" d a teJ.evisjon hookup wJ.th Springhill, NotJi'l Scol·. ·ii't, so l:hal:: rndny c·Lt·:Jzuns of Buchans could taJ.k to people Jn ::lpr· ·inghill about t..<Jhal·. "i,i: Y'U<'Il]y rneans to have a federal penil:c'!l "l'LjiH'Y ·in"' S1nal .l. l·:.own. Tht'' No. 71 (Mor'm ng) I( IJ 1.2 J

Buchans leaders have planned an economic developmE !nt stratE !9Y with a federal penitentiary as a corm~rst.onE! · and haVE! J.atd out ideas for c'!conomi c devEdopmc"!llt integrating a rE !Source developmE!tlt with rehabilitation programs for offenders, for inmates. So for· all these reasons, Mr . Speaker, t:hc::~ Provi.nCE! has ber:~n firm in urging the federal govennnE!I1l: l:.o E!Sl:abli .sh i.n our Province a federal penitentiary. Th(!rE:' i.s a soc i.al ner:'d. WE! arr~ the only Pr·ovinc e of Canada, other 1:: h a n P F. T.

IAJ h :i. c h h a s E~ a s y a c c e s s 1: o the centers in Nova Scotia and New f3 r u n s t.~o.ri . c k , !Ad t h o u t a f e d (~ r a J penit.entj ai''Y. We have been owed Ud s ~; rH' \)" i. Cf:~ b y t: h 8 r e cl ~>. r· d l. govc'!rnri!E!I1t - sin ce:' lAJE! jo:lned Canada in l' )L ~9 . d l'll:l fr orn L-imn ·l:o L 'i.rne be for· E! p r· o m-i. s c:~ s lAJE: ' r r:~ mad c,~ but never · deJ.ivered upon. Secondly, t~e have, for· valid public poljcy r· C"! d s o n s , p r· Ed · ~=! r r· c;! d 3 u c h a n s a s 1.:1-w locaL.ion for· a fE!deral pen i tentiary in our Provin ce .

I have made repeated rE!pr'E•sentations to this E!fFE!Ct to the pr·es E>.n 1-. :--and past So 1 i ci l:or· GeneraJ. and t·c; our rE•prE!Sentati.v<"' in I:: hE! fedE!r'a1 Cab.i .nr:> l·:. I have=! not gotten any recent response f l" o 1 n t h ('! rn a b o u t i·: h E'! i r' i n t. e n 1.: ·i. o n s to dE!liver. I have no :idE!a lAJhE!r't::' l: h e y d r· r'! i n l~ h rc! i r' d C"! 1 i. b E'! r· <.'1 i:. t o n s . A 11 I k no lAJ :i s lAJ h a l: o l he 1~ rn ern bE! r· s IAJOI.Il.d have:! hE!i:H'd 1-:hinOIJg!-J l.:hr:• public news media. MR. WfLLS : Mr . ~peaker . ~1R .

SPI::n:<F:i< : ThH 1'101'1. thE! l.E!ddE~I" Oppos i.~-. -i. on . IV1R . WFLIS : Mr. Speaker, that the news -L n v-i. r::'IAJ rr1e cl i a 1_1- 1-I 2 t.+. .:July H, I.'JiJo ,-. 01' j s of thE'! l.h (;! ·f('l c i·. r'E:!pOr't-.i.ng v c: :LX I. • that there are people in Carbonear doing soiJ. tE!Sts to detE·rrn:i.ne th e suitability of the location fo r thE! fed e raJ pE! ni t.E! ntiar y, wouJ.d thC' ! minist E!r' no!JJ undE !rtakE! to thr?

House to t: a k E! i rnrne d i atE! s t E· p s l: o c,~nqu --LI "E' :into i.t and g·i.vc::' an undertaking that the strongest possible repre sentation s be rnade to the federal government to ensure that.: the pr tson is. in fact, built in Buchans, lAJherE· it ought t-.o be buil.t : for C:!V E'!ry good reason the minister mE!ntionc:'d, as well as the econom ic ones? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Justice . MS VERGE: Mr.

SpE ~<::~!<er·, l:hi .s adrntn:istr ·al:ion and I, as J.ong as I haVE! bE • en Mi .ni s'L:E!r of Jrl~;l::ict=!, h;:-)tJe bc:· f.~ n making the strongest possible r e p r· E~ s E'! n t a L i. o n s t o g E! l: t h E! F E• d E! r· i':~ 1 government to estahl:i.sh a fE!dE!t"a1 penil:entiary in our Prov tnce and ]ocate it in Buchans. This is the f oi r· s t o c c c~ s i. o n t: h a t t: h Co'! L Eo! a cl E'! 1n o f the OpposiU.on has rc-:dsed the issue in the House of AssHmbly desp:Lte thE! fact that lAJE' have beE!II soitting here since March.

I !AJO u l d 1 i k ''! 1·: o as s u l" E:! h i ;n and t_ hE· public in the gallery that th is adln-Ln::Ls-l::r'at"i.on has bec :!n pul~suing the goal of the Federal pCc=!ni .l:r,1nLi.ar·y in Buchdns for·· \.:h1?. past number of years . I someL]mes d:i .SCI.ISSC:!d i:h i.S IAJ ·i i--h !-:hE! for'lrtr'•r me rn b e r f o In W :i n cl s o r· .... B u c h a n s (rJl 1n . 1~JJgl1l.) dl 'ld noiE:!d Lhdl: hu could n e v e r m a k E! u p hi s m .i n d a bout t h E· b e ~; 1.

J. o c c-1 t i. o n . fl 1 1 1·. , .. h j s adrninis L!"a l::ion · has (-·.a ken r.l dr,~rJn.i .l:o :; i·_d iid ·in supper "!. o l' 13uchans as LhE! best :loca tion fot" l:hr:· pen.i .l.r =!nl·j i'lr'lj. MR. ~-.JELLS : A r ·i. n d 1 s u p p l H Ill(! n L d In lj ' M I" . ~:) p H d k C'! r . i\J () . '/ i. ~ ;'1 () r' n 1. i'! L:J ) 1\ 1i- i -~ '·t-

MR. SPfAI<ER: A Final suppl.Hm<·Hll:rH 'y, the hon . the Leader of the Opposition. MR . Wfi..LS: r. l.: .i. s e :i. thE! r· i.: h (! s P con d or· 1.: h :i. r··d ttroe that :i1: has bel~Hl r·a:i.SE!d in t·:hc:~ ~louse since T. hav::! bor:!n hr~r·r,~. As well, the government has not bE!E!rl ai: c:lll shy in Jnc:l.ki.ng str·ong, foJ"ceful statements when it 1.~1ants to, so tAJould the gotH!rnment t.al~:~ a strong and forceful position pubicly now with the federal government and, in particular, tAli t h Mr .

C r o s b i. <'! , to ensure that the pe ni ·tE! n ti ar· y in NetJJf ou ndJ and is located where tt ought to be for· all the good r1?asons that haVE! been mentioned? MR. TULK : In Buchans. MR . SPEAKER : ThE! hon. the Mi.ni.s ~:er of Jus t.i.CE! . MS lJi:RCI:: Mr . Speaker, we have made those r8pr·c~sc;!n tat:i.ons dt'ld l:hE! l.ectder·~; and -the;! pC'!Opl.t~ of Buchans know lha l .. MR . SIMMONS: Mr . Speaker. Ml~. SPF.AI<fl~: T h e h 0 n ' UH:! In 0 rn b (! I" r 0 r· F 0 ~~ '1: 1.1 j')(! Henn:i l:agE:~. MR. SIMMONS : r"lr·.

Spf!aker, 1 IV ·We a qUE!Sl 'i.on I believe mo st appropriate to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs (Mr. DatJJe), thE! gE!ntlE•rnan fl'·om St ·GE •org E! 1 S. YestE·r·day ·Ln t. h E! C h a rn b E· r t h E! D cc• p u t y P r E' rn i E! r ( D r . C o 11. "i. n s ) , l:i·1 E! M :i. n i s l·.J! r· o f 1-1 r,:! a 1 1: h ' :; :·1 F ;) nnE! d : .. :!'I (• H 0 us(~ t: hat: thE!

GOVf.H'nlflE~n l:.s of Canada and NetAJ"foundland and Labrador' had not: concludr::!d thee! 1 Me1nor·anclL.I1rl of !lndr:'Y''' t-:'ln cl:ing r'E~qar r:!j_ng !-:_hr.:• 1_1~ . 1 2 ') JuJy il, !'JI3 8 Vo ·: ;-<! coordination of industrial and empl.oyrnc-?.nl: I:H :!I'Wr'i.l :s 1 pr·ov "i.dc,1d for· in Clause .?3 of ·thE! At.J.antic Accord. Tha ·l·. ca1W~ as n< ,'IAJS l:o us a n d i'1 s a b :.i.

"i: of a s u r'Fll' ' ·i s E! . r"l r . ~peaker', I c1Sk l:hr:! rJJ:in-Lsi'.E!Y', !·.·.hen, t.uhy the fa:ilurc:~ to conclude that :Vlr:~rnoranclum, g·ilJf'!l'l Lhe irrtpl'!nd'i.ng agreement, tAle hopE:1, to d~~VE!J.op H .-i. b (;! r· i. n a , tJJ h y t·. h C:! fa i l u r C'' 1:. o h a v P this Memorandum in place? Why the c hang e o r 1·.·. a c U. c s ? W h y t>.Ja s c 1 au s e 53 not honoured? In other tJJor -ds, tAJhy do tAle hr.we no ME!Inor·andurn of Understandjng? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs. MR. DAWE: 'fhal:. clausE•, as any ol:her clause, js bEdng honoured.

At the t::.i.rne, and al:. thE~ Pl"E!SC!nl:. t::LrnE! certatnly the princ iplE!S as out.J.inE!d in lhclt pari':.i.cul.<H' cl .ause, and the nE!CE!SSj.l:y lo makE• SUY'(o! thdt. N co!IJJf o 11 n d J. and "'c h i. E''~J o s , I h u 1:)( '! s t possible E•conorn:ic rE•l:ur'n fr·om o-.:i.l dr:!lJHJ.opnwnl: .s di1d hydi"OCdl"bon devE:!loprn~:!nts off Ol.lln shor'E!S 'is L:hE! Pllr'po·;C:! r~OI" thP A l·.lc'J.11L "i.t; Ar::cur·d. A n d t h a l: p r· ~L 1·1 c j p J r,, oi ~~ o u t 1 :i n e d , o r· COIJr·~;R, ·i.n l:ltr~ rlr:c ol"d.

And on(c! of the clauses that r ~ --ernphasizes t 11 d 1·. , 0 f C 0 I I I'' S (~ , j_ ::; d (! <:'1. l i. 1'1 q l;.l i t. h industrial benefoi Ls , which :is a lJC:!IY, vet·y .i.lnpolnt;''ln ·l·. i:·'lSFJI::!C 1·. l~.lhE'!I1 we get into just how rnuch thjs P r·· 0 V ·i. 1'1 C E• IAJi ll I" C d l. -i_ Z H I~ r· 0 In tndustrja.J. b~'nefjt:s and E•rnp]oyrn~:·nt:. oppor·t.un:i.l~.ies. The Accord seL:s out a proincipJ.e Uta t i n j t: s Ed f go e s b l'! y o n d a ME!rnor'Rndtllrl of UnclPr's tanding, the prjnciple of maximum ben8Fits to l~.h:is Pr·ov -LnCE!

For· :i.ndus t:r:.i.a.J. b E! n e f "i +~ ~:; a n d E! rn p :L o y rn r:• n l: {.) n d t h a t cont.:·:.LnuHs t:o bE~ an objE!C'l: . .l.\!e. It is not relevant - wHll, it is l"elcc!~!anl~, but. I clo noL·. t:hink ·i.t :i.s ''1S iiTIPOin+anl~. !·:n havE• l .. _hfl! ·:, br:•caus~:· No. i': c~~1{)!"i'l j I')I:J j R :v .: ~·

a Memorandum of Understanding tAJoul.d only be r:~bl.e t:o out.] .'i.nt:! thE:' principle. The Accofd outlines t h e p r· i. n c-i. p l e . T h i s t."ri . l. 1 r· E~ cl C.;! f i. n e it somewhat, but it i.s very difficult. other than the broad principles of maximization, to be a b 1 e l~ o d E! t a i 1 i t • , if y o u wi. 1.1, because each individual project, whether it be Hibernia or the Terra Nova fieJ.d or other fieJ.ds that tAJill be developE:~d, would depend upon the development proposal. and how those proposals transJ.ated into potential E'!rnpl.oyrnc'!nl~. beneFits Fr·om l:he pt"oj ect..

And thE:H1 thosE:~ would haVE! t·~o bE! trea ·Led in the conb '!Xi: of the Atlantic Accord to make s u r E:' 1-.I'H'l. L t~ a c h p r· o j r=! c t I~ h 8 n addrE~ssed tAJhat LhE! Accord outli.nc :!!:l, tAJh:i.ch IAJa~; t·.hat Newfoundland._ would receive the lrlC\X ·i.tfllllTl i'\lflQI.I n i··. of ·i. nd US 1-,r- ·i.aJ benefi..ts and employment o p p o r· t. u n i. lit:! s f r· om tiH! h y d r· o c at' b o n dt:!Ve] opmE~i ·t-Ls developed off our shor ·E!. So, I mean, :it . :is in 1-:.hE:~ pr·ocC!SS of bei ng done .

The specifics of Lh e Hibern ia project and others ar e being d :l. ~cus s ed notAJ, and the :v!E"morandum, iF you ~AJ i ll, the out lin ing principl e to expand on t: he A i: 1 an U c A c cor · d w"i.11 be done :in dUE! coursE! . But thE•re is no blg ha s l(! Lo have t.hat . donE' imrn ed:iatE!ly . MR. SIMMONS: A supplementary, Mr. Sp eaker . Mf~. SPr ~AKER : A suppJ.E!lTlC "!nt.-.al"Y, thE:' hon. I·.: he rn C::! rn b (:! r· F o r· F o r· 1: u n c~ , I I ::• r·rnj _ 1-.a g e . MR . ~3JMMON ~:) : T t.ha.nk t·hc• mirt jsL <=•t" For h:i .s .::tnStA J<:!t', bt1i·.

T Ft:d< lrun i.u hd tJe d J.ook al-~ Clr.lUSE! 1 ~>3. bt:!Causc,' I belj_(!VE! C'!lJOl'l ;:{ lr::tlj!Tli'\11 1 ~; r'r-'!dd .i ng of Jt-- and I i'lrn not-- <;tJ~J~JE •sl :jn~1 hi" • ·is a ... ·~ i 2 (i Ju: .y n, l9BB t,; nl X; layman in the matter, but I tAd11 tncli.cale thal i.n or·dE!r' to achieve the objectives outJ.inE!d in ClauSE!S r-; 0 , 5 l a n d 5 2 , Ud s ME! mora n d urn 'i s needed before you have an agrt::~emc.;!nt to develop.

I ask h:Lrn, in light of the failurE! to have thai:: ME!rnorandurn in placE~ at. this time, although it lAJas spE!ci.fically provided for in Clause 53, what mechanism does the government propose to use, not.u +:hat we ~! do not have that Memorandum of Understanding, to dE!terrnine whr::,ther or not the obj ecU .ves of C 1 au s c,~ s 50 , 5 1. cH1 d- 52 , i. E! . , benefits to NetAJfoundland, wilJ. bt:• p r· o p e r 1. y . e f f e->. C't: : J. v e , p r o p e r 1 y honoured by any agreement to d (~ v (;! l. 0 p : l'.i. be rd . a ' F 0 I" f:~ X r:,J, rn p l f:'? MR.

SPEAKER : The hon. the MinistE•r of IntergouGrnmenlal Affairs. MR. DAWE : M1n. Speaker, as I indicated, the .. Atlantic Accord itself -Ln i.Ls totality identifies the princi.ples, and l:hc:at. ts onE! of U1e principles fhat requires a Memorandum of Understanding. The hon. gentleman will realize that memor·andums of undE!rs t.anding, as thE!Y rE!latE! to a numbE!r of things between the federal government and thE! provincial goVE!rnrnE!nt, out] ine a set of principles.

In the sense of industria} benefits and employment opportunities, the Memorandum will redefine somewhat thE! pi"i.nc-i.plE!S s~"t out·.-. :i.n l:hE• Accord itself. The spec:ifi cs of individual pI " o j r"! c 1: ·; , "' s J ·i n cl.i c a 1.-.C"! d , w--L J.l. be do ne in line wi th no t: only th e p r"i.n c ..i.p l e~ ; oF l .. hc :! MetncH'i ·lndttrn but also the prin cipl es of the A 1·: J an i . .i. c (.) 1; c o t" d .

T 1:: h i. n !< 1.: 1·1 E' Acc ord i ts eJ. f is th e pro te cti on ;::~ n d i_ ~:; r:: ::• r· L d .i. n l y a 1 n tj a c y t h i'! 1:. thi .s adln:i.nj _sl~.rat .:i.on tAJ·.:i-ll bE:~ No . 'l l (;'IOY'iYL n•]) i\ lj. I.? 6

leaving to the people of Newfoundland far into the Future . MR . SIMMONS : A supplementary, ~r. Speaker. MR. SPFAI<fR: A f i. n a J. s u p p l <:! mE! n b" r y , 'l: h e h o n . thE~ fiJE:~lllbE~r fo1n Fortune-l-lel"rnitage. MR. SIMMON~> : The 1nJ. n i. s bH' lAd. J. J. be diAliH' t~ 1: h a 1·. t h E:~ feder·aJ. Energy Minister, Mr·.

Masse, has sa"i.d that a major· unresoJved issue -in the nc,~gol.:i.a ·l··.ions i.s the rnat.tE!I" of spinoff benefits and their disl:ri.buti.on among the~! tnl:erested par·ties, Newfoundland, Quebec, Canada as a whole, and so on. r ask l::hr:!- minister will he nOIAJ, !:hen, assure __ the House that the lion 1 s sha~e of the spinoff benefits, including job oppo1ntu ni ties, tAJi.11. not go to the Province of Quebec but indeed will comE! 1:-o l:he Province of Newfoundland?

Is that an as sur·;,Hlce, tn l."i.ght. of hi.s knowledge of the state of n t'! go 1: i. ,:q t.: ""i on s n OIAJ, h ~;:1 r: an g J 'J f~ the House, that -the lion 1 s share of ~;p ·LnoFf ;:-1nd Jo 'b br:!nefi.l:s tJ.Ji.J.l not: go to l:hl:> Prov :incc->. of Quebec but t.~.rilJ. r·edound l:o l::he benE!fj_i ··. of N etA If 0 U 1"1 ell a I' I cJ E! I" S cJ :i Inc->. C t 1 y? M ~~ . S P ~~A I< F R : "The'! hon. the Min:istr:•ln of In l:. e r· go v r:• n11n E! n 1: a J. r.J F F c:-1. .i r· s . MR . DAWF : Mr.

Speaker, as unJerstanding are clear, certainly share is not clea~est elther. memorandums of not speci.fically the term lion 1 s spec ifically the But I can assure thE! House:•, Ud s HousE!

Pr·ouince, possiblr:~ <"~nd ·i.l-. hr'< ':. br:•en assur' f:!d a n d t iw p e o p 1 e of Uli s that what.ever is l:her'E! <.H 'C::! somE! thjng s that. ar'l'! not onssible - wi th I 4-127 J u l y 8 1 1 ') ,j il 'Ju'.XI_ regard to the deveJ.opment of hydrocarbons off our coast, IAJhatever can bE! sgueezed, cajolE!d, i:H'91H:~d, rOrCE!d - c:~nd any 0 lhl '?.r' IAJay you want to put it, into this Province for industrJ.al benefits, for spinoff benefits, for E:'lnpJ.oyrrwnl: oppor·l:un:i.I·.:"Lf~~;, .i~; go .. i.ng to be done .

This particular pr·ojf'!ci·. ha:; bE!en :i.d(~nt ·-Lfi.ed Fr ·o m the beginning as having certain cotnponE:!nl~s that ·. cannot be'! donE ~ in Canada. There are aspects of this parti.cuJ.r.u· proposal, in ·i.Ls $4 biJlion to $5 billion totality, f:hat can no L. be done and t.~.d 1.1 not be done in Canada, just because of the,~ . tH~ry nat:ure of thr-:- deuelopment.

There will probably be developments that will occur once we make sure in this particular one that infrastructure, base industrj E!S, base employment opportunities to build on the whole industry of offshore oil development, once IAJB make sure of that, in that con _t_E!Xt a lion's shi.'lre, whab~VE?.r' a l:ion 1 s share means, the maxirnurn - MR. SIMMONS: 1-iaJ.f or more . MR . DAWE : Well, now, I do not knouJ if that is a def inition of l"Lon 1 s share. Mr.

Speaker, if in the case of l hi:; de tJ ~.-:~ 1. o piTH'! n 1.. or· an o thE~ r devE:~loprnent it is possiblE! to do <:t.J.l f:hr-:- dnUE!lopmE!I"l~ .. 100 per· C:E:!n ·t of the development, in this P r' 0 V 'i. 1'1 C fl. , l h i'l t t S IAJ h i.'l t: IAI J. 11 occur. If 100 per cent is po ss ible~ l:o be done ,~ ·in th:.Ls Province, through the workers of this Province, through the industrial infrastructure in this P r· o v ... L n c C'' o r· ·:L n f r· a s l·: r· u c t u r <'' 1:: h a t·.: .i. s developed bE!

CausE· ol Lhe pi~OJE !C l, l:hE''I"l 100 pur · Cl'! nt ul :it l;.ri .Jl b1?. donE:• :in l:h:is Pl"ou:inc:E•. Ml". ~3PE'•aker·, i.n l~hal ·:. conl::f:•xl":., t,.Jhi:'t l:.f'!VHi" N::;. ../ 't (Mor·nin~

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p<:!rCE!ntagC:~, IAJhai:etJE!t' i:lrnot.tn-1-. of l:he pi" OJ e ci: it "1. s humiHlly possiblE! and f e a s i. b 1. C! L o Llri. ll b c,~ d () n E:! i. n L h i s Pt"ovincP, and -.irr l:.hat context ·the li.on's share '"'ill. comE• to thj _,, Pr·ovince. MR. GILBERT : Mr. Speak<-?.r. MR . SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the mE!mbe r for Burg eo Bay d'Espoir. MR. GILBERT: Mr . Speake r• , I havE! a question for the Minister of Transportation (Ml". Doyle) .

ThE~ former· deputy min:lsi:E!r of your ckq::Ji:~rtmc:!n l: s t.a l:<c.d i.n i-_hf~ modi,':\ that c<~~l"tcrin discl"et:ionat"Y fundjng For· hi.ghway_ proj l0cts IAJ<::tS l'lldrle availabJ ~~ t.o CabinE~ l: m:i.nistr:~rs. On J11 nt~ '1.3 of 1·. h-J s y E!<:'lr' l·.ht:• M i n i s t e r· of A g I'' i c u 1 t u I" E~ ( M r . R . AyltAJ<.H'ci) announCE!d $4-00,000 For· hightJJay pr·oject.s in his district:. ~\las Lh·i.~; Fttnd-i.ng fr·orn l.he discret"l.onai"Y aJ.J.otme'n'L Ol" tAJas it L.hr• rE!gular· h ·i.gl·l,AJi'1Y itpgr,'ld-Lng pr·oject:s appi"OVE=!d and Pl"iorized by your· cl E:!pdr' l.:1ne IJi· :.? MR.

SPEAKER : ThE! hon . thE! MinistE!I" of Tr·ans por· l:.a t,j_on . MR. DOYLE : Mr. Speaker, there 1s funding as discretionary All funding Cabinet. is approved no such. by to We listen rr:'j:ll"esenl:at.ions thi'lt:: cH'P. trl<.·H:Ir~ by va1"·.:i ous rne~rnbE·r·s on l.his side, and Lhe o 1·:1-wr ::: ·i,d~:· as 11H:. ·11, i'lnd fun cl :1 '' g is a 1.1. o c a 'l. (~~ d on 1:: h a L b cl s oi s i'\ n cl o n t-: l·w b r:'t s -i s o F n u (:• cl . MR. C(LaEWr : A ~:upplertiE?ITI.ai"Y. Ml" . Spc,,akel" . Mf~. ~:;PFAl<Fr~· L<i-1. 2

f) July H. i9H 8 VoJXI n s u p p J. E! m {,~ n tc:n· y • 1.. h e h o n . +-.1-H:! member for Burgee - Bay d'Espoir. Mf~. GILBERT : 0 n C:! u r=- t:: h e p r· o j (:! c t.~ s a n n o u n c E! d b y thE! minister IJJas the pavj ng of Li'lE! old La Manche road in Tors Cove, a road that has been abandoned for t. h c~~ p cl s t. t hi r t. y y E~ a r s . l tJJO n cl e r what was the rationale and what was the cost of this project? MR . SPEAKER: The hon. thE! Mi rd. s t E! r of Transportation. MR. DOYLE : Mr. Speaker, obviously I would not hatJt::~ t.haL :i.nfor·rnai..:i.on i.ltlrnE!di.cl.t :E:.l.y available to rne.

We have many, m('1ny htl .ndt·<~d:; of r'Odcls -in !::hE~ Province and al.l of these are J. · i. ~' 1: (·) d 'Al J U1 Ul!' ! DE! P <.H' t lflf? n t c: r T I" a n s p 0 I" t a t i o n . I LAd J. 1 s :i I'll p 1 y hatJ e l·:o td k (? L hd t rna l.: I· r=! r· u nd t:! I" advisement and get thE! infonllcll::i.on F o I" L l1 e h o n . g E! n L l e n 1 d n . T a rn ~; u r· e there is nothing irre§ular about ·i.t:. I: hough.· MR. G(LBERT: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A f :l. n a 1 s u p p 1 e 1 n 1:! n· r.· a r· y • l~ h e 1·, o t'l . thE! mE!ITiber for Bt.H'geo -- Bay d' Espo:ir·. MR.

GILBERT : W·i11 Lhr~ rn:l.nisl..E!r' not. 6t<lm ·.lt. t.hal: the reaJ , rE•ason thj s pr·oj E!Ct 1.-Jas u p g t' <.'t d E=! cl a n cl d p p r· o v ~=! d f o r· p a v J n g is that a good friend of Uw me rnbe r· hds b 1.1 i. l. 1- a h o u s E:~ o n t h e r·oad. and thE! paving, of cour·se, l.d Mancht :! r·nd cl .. i~; i''l. continuation oF the wilderness pi'ttJ-i.nq pl"Ogt"r:'llrt l:i.kH I he i\u1rnd Pond d PV E• J.O plTH'' l'l t? on I_ h •:• ol.d Mf~. ~)Pi?:AJ<ER : 0 r' cl r:• r· • pl . e <.·\ s n ! 'I· .-, .. !\! ,_, . / .l (M<H'ning) r~LI-1 28

The han. the,~ Minister' of Transportation. MR. DOYLE: Mr. Speaker, that qucstton does not E:wen desE:~rVE! a r'E!Sponse. As I s a -L d to L h ~=! h on . 9 C:! n 1.: 1. (~rna n , '[ h a v c:! no pal"ticular knowlE~dge of LJJhat h(:~ 'i.s spE~aki.ng r.~bo1Jl .: RL ·l:hf~ rnornE:!nt·. WE! do have many huncii"E:!ds of roads ·in l·.h~~ Pr·ov'ince:~ <Hld I IAJ'i.ll 'drnply have to check that. ou·t and gE't the i.nfor·1nation For· tht-) hon. rnembl'!r'. MR. F.FFOfW : Ml". Speaker·. Mf~. SPEAKFR : The hon. thE:~ TTIE'TIIber· for Port dE:~ Crave. MR. EFFORO; Thank you, M~. Speaker. My q u e s t i o n i s to t h E!

M i rd s tE! r of Munlcipal Al::-fa:lrs (Mr. Brett) and i·t. is pE!rtaining to the .town counc:i l. of Bay Roi:)(::H··ts. I hi:we l:o ask the minister to clarify -· it :i.~,; a btt confus-Lng; soln('! statements thaL have beE!n madE! pr·-i.or· to t·:hc,, <.-\nnounce1nent just r'E:~cently of e-ap:ital proj E:~cts, d:id h ·.i ~; d E:' p c::t r' t me n -r: r· e c C'! '.i. tJ e r,, n g :i n E> I'! r· j n 9 and envii"OI"'fiiE!nt.al sLud:iE!S ri"Om Lhe COIIIITlUni1 ·:y or Rt-ly RobC:!ri.:; IJ.Ji'lC!rl I" t::' q u •~ s t.:i n g F u r1 d s For· the 1. 9 8 8 $0 (.·1 s 0 l'l?

MR. :3PF()I<FR : Th(~ hon . the M:inist~E!I" of Mun·.ic.ipal A f f d-i. r· s. Mf~. B I~ETT : T cannot anst~JE:'r that, Ml". SpeakE!r, bocaus(:! T •lo nol·. :<•lOtAJ. ThE· r·e dl"f.! SOITIP 300- -ocld rnunic:ipaJ. counc:iJ.s in LhL~ Pr·ov-Lnco ,:tnd lSO -odd l.occ:-tl. SE'l"'Jicc,• d .:L~; 'L r-:icts, so I do not:: k n ow w 1·1 l. c n o I'Ho! s d -.L d u r· d i. c1 n o l~. have engineering studies in. I really do noL. I suppose it would b F.! i tn p 0 S '3 i b 1 E> f 0 I'' Ill(! t: 0 k n OI~J 1°' a C h 1_4129 .J u l y I) • l 9 ,; :3 IJ

l) l:< I c.lnd ev<~ry one. Th~~r·e is a good possibility that Bay Roberts d:id because it is not a new system therE! and work has bE!E!I'l going on U·wre fot· y0(u·s. ~3o I IAJ.OUld suggest, while I cannot be ex pl. j_ c J l: , ·L 1: IAJO 11 J. d bE:~ s l: r· an g E'! i. F they did not: have their Fiue yecun plc:~n .i.n, a l.l. t he:i. t' d r'dw-Lng ~; d nd t. h i s s o r' t of t h i n g . I IAJ o u 1 d SLI99t1~;t thai : UH:!y ~>r·obabJ.y d:i.d . r~R. EFFORD: Mr. Speaker, MR. SPFAKFR: The han , the member for Port de Grave. MR.

EFFORD: Would the minister explain why, last week when the engineer and four counc:i J lors fr·orn Bay RobN"Ls sat down at: a meel:'ing in a minjster's office and went over r:he plans t:h(~y had sub1n:i.Ltecl pr·i.or to thE! announcE'ITient, thE! rn:in:i.slE!In s iit :i cl r:; 0 p E! r· c E'! n t Cl F I h e b J. a rn (;! IAJ h y Bay Ro-bE~rts had not r·E'CEd.VE!d money for 1 9 8 8 lo~Ja s thE! f <'1 u J. t of t: hE> M H A? fJlR. SPF:AI<FR : The hon. thE~ Min:istE•r of MurdcJpaJ. A f 7 fr.t'i I"~) . r"'f~.

Bf~ETT : I arn ~;ul"prised if I d:.i.d nol:: say it : IAJi''·~' '1.00 pE!r' ct:!nl: l:he fd1.1l t: oF l:he MHA. If I said SO per cenL Lhen I I;J'i J. J. h d lJ C:! 1: [) C d ll. l: h ('> C 0 II 1'1 C ·j l. b 1:'l ( k aga:in, have another meeting wiLh Hl<:!l'rl o:'lrld lo!XpJ.H:i.n 1-.i'Jdt. i.t IAJaS i'tll. h :1 s fa u 1 t . You a s k e d F o r· L h i s a n d yo IJ c:n · e go ·i. n y 1-. o g cd: . 'i. l: .

They asked about : their own MI-lA, if hE• h c~ d rn <:·1 cl o r· E! p t' ('! s E~ n t a l.: i o n , d n d I satd, no, I had never', E'VE!r', se<~n UHdt· MIHl on my Fl.olH', i 11 rny off:icE!, anyiAJhE!I~E:! near· rny oFF :icE! jn L hE:! s -L x or· s <:! v C'' n mo n l.: h ~; l.: i'1 a t·: ( have been ndn:i .slE!I". Obviously, s ·i. n c E'! he 1na d c;! no r· e p r· e ~; ('! n Lat. :Lon on br::!ha.J.f of Bay r~obE:!I"ts, a 1-:ot~m j.n ,\) •J . 7 ·1 (1-~or·n i.1·1<

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his d:ist"l"::i ct, then hE! has ·t.o ·l:akE! s OlTll~ 0 f HH:~ b 1 diOt! . MR. r"'ORGAN : How do you explain H OIAI d 0 y 01.1 E! X fl (:~ c 1.: district paVE!d? MR. R R F.TT: that, to 9E!t John? your· Mr. Speaker, a lot of the other members, and I can name some of i':hern but per· haps it i. s bett.er 1 do not - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Name thE~HI! MR. BRETT: Okay. The member for Bonavi.sta North (Mr. Lush) came to my office. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! r~R.

BRt:TT: To t:he bE~st of my know] edgE! every sing 1 l:~ co tJ n c i.l. t: h Cl 1.: c .:'1m e L: o ~; c,~ r-) rn e fr·om Ronayist.a Nor--t.h was a c c o Ill p ,;ad. l:~ d b y t h E! i. r· rrH:~ m b r,~ r . - -I never did see thE! TIIE~mber for· Ray R o bE~ r· t :.> • SOMF.: HOI\J. MEM!3t:RS: Hear, hear! MR. F.:FFORD: Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : A final supplementary . MR. EFFORO : ThE! Mayor of Bay Roberts was told that he was 50 per cent to the blarnE!, and that thE! MHA was 50 per C: Hlt of the~ b1c:lrnf:!. MR . SPFAKEf ~: Or·dE• l", plPase !

Mr~. :=::::::-o:w : T a~;k t·he rn::irdsLer·, notAl t .. hi'lL the :.r.Ji'\ ,_ r:• r· '.r.IO r" k ~- pI" n CJ ••• ''trn i ~:~ ·~ o ·i n q \·. n b r-:• LllJ 3 0 ;·,,Jy B, i.9BB VolXI announu~cl VE~ry soon, as hE:' satd y ~) s l: H r· d i.~ y , d n d T h d t; f'! lfl d cl r:'! personal representation to the M:i.ni .~; ·l:f:'r' of Mr1n· i.c.i.pdl. nFFc :·l'i.r·s For· t1'1e community of Georg E!stown - I h a cl h c:·l n d d e l.

"'i. t; e r' H d t: o h ·i. ::; o f f ·.i c E! the engineering studie s -- if l:hat i.s t.h~~ r·ee1 son IAJhy LAJE! d-Ld not receive any money for Bay Roberts, wi.ll the rninJs ter· notAl tE ~l.l m~ :! and tell this House of Assembly, because I madE~ r·epr·e~sE:Hlt .ation for· the community of Georgestown for artE:~s:i.an wel.l.s, r~ha.t ti·ll':!Y ar'E! going to receive monE!Y from this year's capital water works granLs. MR. BRETT : Mr. SpeakL~r· . MR. SPEAKER : r h t:~ h o n . t h E;! M ·i. n i s t f:! r· o f M u n J c i p c1J. Affairs. MR. BRETT : Mr.

Speaker, the hon . me mber i s .. cor·r·r:!c l:, h~:· d:i.cl rna kt:! l"epresentation; I think he ;! ~; top pl'! d me -) her·~~ ·i. n l: h t.! :I o 1.1 ~; H on u cl i'l y ·i. n front of ~d s s E~ at . MR. EFFORD: 1 hand delivered it too . MR. BRETT: He says he hand delivered the letter. He probably ciicl . Thel"E! ar·e thousand s of "le ti.: ('!I"S goC'!S through there every day. He probably did hand dE'!l:i~!er· thE• letter . And jf he did tha t i s f'i.nc~, congr·a t ult.~l~. :i ons . You should have been dcd ng it a] 1 year· . Why did you d e cid E~ l~.o do ~i.t now? SOMF:: l-ION . MEMBERS : Hear·, hear!

M f~ . 3 R ETT : No, I cannot hc~~J.p thE! hon. n'IE:!IlibE:H' :i.f thr::tj·_ pc:·lJ"i" .'.i,cll}r:li' COIIIIfll.Jn·i.t·_·y "i.S going to ge:·t any rnoney OJ" not. If \·hr·:!lj ('li'H i.l·. IAJ'i '1_-1 b::• <'l(ll'lOIII'lCC:!d No . 71 (MO i"ni.nq) 1\ !1 13 0

properly, when the time comes . MR. LONG: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the member for St. John's East. MR. LONG : I have a question for the Minister o f F.1w t r· cHl m (;• n i: '" n d 1. i:Hl cl s ( M r· . Russel]). It conC(;>rns a report in l:he last: number· of c:le~y!; i:lboul :. t:h~~ s t o r· a g e of PC 8 s i n A r· g e n t i a . A n d 1 IAJoul.d J. -i. k e L:o ;:' :; k" Uw rwi. n:i. s I:<H' responsjbJe for protecting the t!rliJ:i .r·ormu-~nt-., i.n par ·t :i.CIJliH' For Uw n1ordto1"jng of the d:isposal of PCBs 'i. n L h i. s P 1" o 1; · i. n c H , i.

F h 'i. s depar•·tmE!nt. is involved IAJii:h this pr·oj t:~ct to· shi.p PCBs Fr·orn a nutnb(cH' of unjdentif~ed sites around the Province to ~ bunker in Argentia? MR. RUSSELL : Mr. Speaker. MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Lands. MR. RUSSELL : -.... ; Mr . Speaker, the pr·oject, as T understand it, to store PCBs in Argentia the Northside of Argentia, I think it is - is completely e1 federal project .

YestE:H·day afternoon I asked my off· .i.cials to S(c~C:' if 1-:he:~y h,,ld c o rd a c t e d u s for· a n y k i n d of co--op("!T''<'li·'ion i.·lnd T ,;lin IAJaJ.t-.·i .ng t·.o g e t: a I" e p J y b a c k . I wi 11 c he c k f o r· I: h ~) h o n . rn e:Hn b e r· a F i: E:' r· q 1 1 e s i ·. ·i. o n P'H ·iod. I understancl the project i. s 1:. o i .. a J ly t~J :i t h in F C:! dE! r· al j t.tr· i s cl :i c t i o n . MR. LONG: Mr . Speclker. MR . ~PEAKFR : A supplementary, t:.he hon. mernbE•r IAI3J July 8 , l9Bil IJolXL . for St. John's fast . MR . LONG : Mr·. Speah~r. ·i.n light· : of thE! minister's answer·.

I ask l.l.Jould hE• confir'ITI l:.hd.t fE :!dE:! r'i:l l. ofFJcj_al.s i~IY'e in the pr·ocess of undertaking to transport PCRs by water from various sites in the Pr·ovinCE! to Ar'gl':~ntJa, tArli.· .houl· .: , .. _hE! knot.~Jl.E=!dg(~ o·F the Provincial Department of F.n1;Jr·onmc:~nt, r.tnd, f11r·Lher·, tAJhE! ther· they intend to estabJ.ish a stor·age ~d . t-. e 11ri. tho 1.1 -t: any I':Hl tri. r· o n rn ("! n 1':.:·1 l. assessment process being ltndr::!r·t.-.i':l.kr-:~n by pr·o,; ·i.ncial. environmentaJ. officials? MR. SPEAKER: Thr:' hon. l·.:hP Mi.n"i.st.er· of Fnvironmen ·t.. MR. RUSSELL: Mr·. Speaker. l'hE!

Ft:!dEH 'al Environmental people are very capable to inspect sites for storage of PCBs, just as capable . I lAJould not sr:1.y nE!CC:!SS<'H' "i.l.y mor·<:• capable - as provincial off'id.a]s I understand thi.~l:-. t::hr~y hr:·,VE'' clone that and the site at which they dr'e st.or·-Lng th1:! PC8s i.s qui .I .. E! ~;aF,=• and quite up to standar·cJ. As I sc:~-Ld to lhr:' han . lr!OIIlber·'s fJt"sl: question, I will check on that a f l". m· q u e s 1: i o n p : :· r· ·i. o d d n d l. e 1:. h i.m knotAJ. MR. LONG : Mr· . ~3peo'lkcn·. ,., r~:i.ndl ~;upplE:!Irl(''i'l 'l''.i:H'Y . rJt R .

S P E A I< E r~ : A final supplE'!ITIPnt:-ar·y, t .. I-IE:! hon . Uw rn em b u r· F o r· :-) 1'. . J o h n ' s E.::~ s !· .. M R . 1.01\J(; : In v:i<::.l.l.J of l:hE! c1nsi .. JE:'r' Uw rn:.LnJs ter· l'li'I.S the g :i. IJ H n. Hou s l=• T <.·l!>k 'i. :; 1-1(:• ~,;dy ·i.ng l:.o l:.oday thi::~l:. LhE! Pr·ov:Lnce doc'~' no l:: h. :·l\JO rE!SPE:'C'l to the t:.h ·i.s Pl"ov·i.nr:l:~. wi.Jl not LakE =! d n y ,,, u 1·: h o r' i. ; ·. y IAI'.i 1:. h st:o1nage oF PCBs :in d n d L n p d r· t. :.i. c u J. a r· any responsibility No . 7 I. U~<H'I'l ''i J'l(

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for· the very serious potential hr."\ z. a r·d {lr·gentia nf dJspostng PCfh ·i.n ·i. n d -L c a 1.· ... i. on C OTIIfiiU rd i·: y hdlJE! b~ :!t!rl ~;afE:'ty of c-i, l.:i . l I':Hl S ? MR. SPEAKU~ : The hon. t.~.Jithout any c]~~ar i:o 1-.h~~ pc,~oplt-:! .i.n tha+:. that pl'·oper measurE!S i:d!<C:!I'l to <~n:>UI"l'! 1:hc,~ thE:~ COfTIIIIUnity and its the Minister of Environment and Lands. MR. RUSSELL : Mr·.

Speaker, it appear·s to be, t.~.ri t. h r.~ l. 1 cl u E:~ r· c,~ s p e c t s , t~ h cl t w h e n it comes to the concerns that pc,wplc-?. have IAJi.l:h r·t~gar·cls to PCRs, the han . member has beE!n sometAJhat of an alcu·mJst. J under·stand Uw s·lte at which the federal pE!Ople c:\ r' f'! s f.: o r· i ng t~ hE! PC 8 s -L s e x 1·.: r· f~ I'TH'! l. y s a f c"! , i t h a_s be e n 1 o o k E:' d at by E n v -L r· o r11n e n 1.: _ C <Hl d cl r.1 p E! o p l. C'! .

Cer··tainJ.y I tAdlJ ask rny offic:ials t:·. o l. o o !< <:'1 1: i t , -L f l: h r~ y h a v t:! n o 1-. done so t'!li"E•ady, and if lhE!I"E:! is cHIIJ Pl"obl.ern t.~.d.i:h .i.i . T t~ioltld I:J1:: only ·loo happy to rnakt> stl"ong r· u p r· c:: :; c: n i ·. •'1 1·: i o n :; I: o F r 1 lJ :.i. ;· o n n 11::: n l: CcAnada c;And e~nyhody el.sc': about: the lni:l 1: ter·. MR. GUI .. I.()C; f: M I" . ~-. p E:· a k (~· r· . Mf~. ~:lPF.AI<Ff\: !"he hon. the me1nber· for' lrJi:i 1-.erFor·d .... l<enrnount. MR. Gl.ll LAGE : 11/j r· . S p E: d k E: r· , my q u E! s l: i o n J. s t o l: lw MJnister of Development (Mr.

Barrett). Mr. Speaker, the government has been asking for ~>r·oposals For·· some WE!E:ks noiAJ For· the sale of NE:t.~Jfoundland Har·diAJoods opc'!r'at-Lon on Topsr:1 Jl. l~odd. My guestJon is whether in fact a pr·oposc1l. hds bE!f':n acCE!pl:r:!cl, dnd t.u h E:: L h E~ r· L h c':! g o v E:! I" n rn E: n t h a s E:' n s u r c~! d t.h.:tJ-. d Sf:!VE=!I"i. ·ll'lCH pc1y pr'tCki :·\lj(! hdS ~H'r:n PU! .. in pldcc,' for r:•mp1oyee~; I 11 i · < .J11llj ll, i')ll[J \} o -: X I pE:'Intain] ng oper·a1:·i .on, :.i.s going (:.' rn p l. o y l'! e :; to the previous i:'l 1'1 cJ lA) h t:• i.: h F!

I'' 0 I" l'l 0 [: C h i.·l (: l 0 b (:' 9 U i:H ' a n lee! EH:i f 0 I" l·~lflfJ}OIJE!d ·i.n i·.hc;! fUi".UI "E:' • OPEH'ation dCCE!pi.<::d? if a p1noposaJ hc:ts bE·c~:n r.11r~. ~3PEAI<FR: The hon. the Minister of oe .lJ(:.'l.oprnPnt. CJ.nd Tour•"i.Sifl. Mr~. BARRETT: Mr·. Speaker, as I reported to the House sornE! 1-:.imr:~ ago, we had asked for proposals for thE:~ disposition of lh(,~ NeiAJfound1and 1-!drdu.JOods facility on Topsail Road, and that p r· o p o s a l. s 1..11 E: r co?. b c,d n q r· E! c e J v E! d u p to the end of June.

So the end of June has now, obvi.ously, come-:! c.~ncl passed, there were a couple of proposals received, Lhe proposals are presently being evaluated by o r:: f .. i. c 'i. d l. s i. n l·. h u 0 e p a r· 1-111 c:: n l , s o o n e IAJ o u l d a s s u mE!· t h a t t.u e t•li 1 J. b E! rncl king i:l cl r:~ c t s :i. on on t: h t'll:: 'i. n i: he next number of days.

With respect to the employees, oblJ·i.otl:;-l.y i:hr:· Fdi·E! of i.h1:>. employees wi1l be very dependent ') n l• 11 c-:: p r· o p o ~; .:-1 J. :; I. h H rn s c:· l. \.J t:! :; . r F' an operator is going lo go jn t .. _hc•r·~~ dnd nli:li.ni· .,:~·i.n I·.IH:! opc:!l" 'i'lt:-.i.on a~; il :. ·is, then obu::i.ou!;ly thE=•y IAIO ill d h c:~ V (;! S I I C C l'! S :; 0 r· (' ·i. lj h t: !) d n d there would not be any further n<':ce~;s·i.ty For· govc'!t'nlnE:!nt l~o acl::.

If l~.he1"e u.d J.l not bt:! a cont~. ·i.ntJdl :ion of Lhe plant, l::hen obviously government will then h a v c.:> to u n d (H' t a k e ct s H v e r· i.Hl c e arrangement with those people. because they were in fact employed by a Crown corporation of Lhe gover'nlnt:!n ~~- . MR. GULLAGE: Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKEr~ : (.) ~;tJpplf:!lrJUnl·.dr·y, th1:! hun. l~he rn E:! rn b E:' r· f o r· W a l:: e r· f o r· cl - I< E! n n 1 o u n t . Nc: '/I U'~ o n1 i n c~ ) ;~ li. I .. : :,:

MR. GULLAGF.: The,~ 1ntn.i.sb"!r· 1 s <H1SIAit~r· l.E:!ads r·E~all.y to my next question. Has g o v e. r· nrn c,~ n 1: g u cH' a n t e E! d L h a t: t I·H,~ s c,~ employees would be maintained in l:.he nr:!lAI ope,H·ation, or· i.n fact. i~; the proposal call just for the real estate on site ctnd not include employees? Mf~. SPFAI<fR: The ho n. i-. he,~ Hri n""i. s f.:{H' of Development and Tourjsm. ~JfR. BARRETT: Mr". SpE~ah~r. thE:~ TEH'ms of r~ E! F E! r· t-:! n c E:~ IJ.I (! r· r::~ r· H i.'l J. l.y 1: o ''' c q 1 1 :i. r· e ti'Je EH1tJ.r·e oper·ation as an o F> e r· a t -L n g f ,:q c i l i t. y .

IJ~ r::~ h .:-llJ e n o !··. cl~;I<E~d fol" a pr·oposa] clt t.h:l.s po::i.nt "i.n i·.i.lrt·E:: IJ.J:il·.h Y'Eo!Spl'!Ci: l·.o :>lo!ll.ing off thE~ ·physical assc,~t.s on a pi.ecerrrec:1l. -bc:1~;-i_s au c t· "ion P t! I'' o t' s orne U1 d I: p o s -L t to n h d s taken. Mf~. fH-CI<FR: Mr·. :-3pE~akE!r'. M R . ~) P ::: A I< E I~ : l::hr·ough <.1n othc,~r fc-<sh:ion; not a~; yc,~l:. bE:!E!rl The"' hon. thE! member· for the:! Strait of Bc'!ll.E! Isl.e~~ Ml~. DECJ<FI~: Mr·. SpE:'ai<E!r, my qUE!St::ion Js for the hon. l:hc"! Min-:i.st.E=!r' of F Lsher·j_es (Mr". Rideout).

ThE:' rn:in:is'l:el" pr·obab]y :.i.s diAicll"e L: h c::t t t h t:! i. n s h o r· c,, F "i. :; h E! I'' y s o F d , .• has bE~t::'n a total fai1ui"C-:> ::i.n much o F 1··. h t-:~ S t r· .:-~ .i. 1-: o F B "' l J. u T :> l u d:i~~t1··::ict bE~cCJ.use t·hei"E~ is no fish in 1. h l'! ::> 1-. r' •'.'t i. L: o r ll u -1 -, H T: :; l. !.-:! no 1: <1 t il1::i.~: t·:irn(". A1ong the'! l.abl"ddOI" Cud:;!, bHCdl.l~o(! or :-_Ill'; ·it:t-:• blockc:tgf.), ·1-hE=•I"e is no f:i.sh. In \)""i (·'iA) of l.hl"' r~.-'\C I·_ 1-hi:"!

I·. i.h<-:'t'C'~ i:ti'""H hundi'·Pcls of fishern1E:!n who I'JdlJe hdd no -i_ n c o 1 n <'' s ·i, n c n M ,.,t y I. 1:l , 1"1 hi'\ I·. i'!ct:i.or1 has t:he rn:i.n:istel" l::aken to ··'; r ldr·,-· '' <; I· h -j ~; U r=• I" lj sr.:~r .. ··intJ~; I 4-L B Ju-ly 8, 1988 Vo1Xl_ pr·oblem?

Has he rE!questEH~ his fE=!dE!r'i'1l. coun l·.:t:!r'par·ts l:o c:!X t·.:c'!ncl unE!fnploymE!nt insurancE~ Ol" addi"E•ss l::h(~ IAihol.e unl:~rnploylnE~nt. ·insur·ance problem fol" fishE•rrn~::~n uJh:ich l"E!CUrs every year where f""i.shermen are left without any incomE! unUJ. thE:' f t s h f -L n a 11. y c-:~ r r-:i. v o s , IJ.J 1·1 E! t h E! r· j_ t is lat:e June, or even in latE• July in so mt~ p d r· t. s of l he d ·t s t r· i. c t? Would the minister tell whc-:~t action hcts been tdken? MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKF.:R: Tht~ hon. thE! M:i nister· of F:ishE:'I"iE:'S. MR.

RIDEOUT: M r· . ~-) p l,~ <:1 k I::! r· , 1:. h ('~ go tJ 1:=! r' n rn en 1:. , 6\ n d myst'lf in pal"ticu1al", ·hflvE=! on a 1"11 IIIII:)(:! t'

I) f 0 c c c'! ::; j_ 0 n ~~ 1:: h . i :; y (' cH' Ill r:'l clio' represental::ion to the Employment c:u1d Tnlln-Lgrct··L i.on Cdnadd l::o hc:n.Je ftsht'rmen 1 s unernpJ.oyrnent -:.i.nsur·ancE=! I I I I f-. E~x·-.E=!nc: r:!C, :)E!Cctl.l~;e o ·· .1ce cond:itions in some parts of the Provtnce, which are sl::ill. a problem up in Northern Lc-:~brador and ~3outher·n Ldbr·aclor·. Tt· ll-Jas only yE•ster·day, 1 beJ·ieVE!, thr.d: I lAid s t n touch IAI"i l.: h or· s C'~ n ·1··. a communication to Mrs. McDou~1aJ.] on t.: h r:-l "l:. p a r· l·.: -i_ c 1 1 l. c\ r" p r· o b 1 r=! rn . [ h i.'l t.J e been in touch wjth Mr.

Crosbie db011l~ t:-ln nx·i:!:'!ns-Lon on UI For· f·ishermE:Hl in var·tous parts of Lhe P r· o wi. n c E=! o lJ C'! r· I he l d s t: s e v e r· ('I 1 days. ~3o thd'l·: has beE!n clorw, c-:~nd l4le h ;-1 lJ <-:• done t--. h ,:·! ·!··_ cons ·i s ·I" en 1··.1 y, Mr·. Speake,'!", ove1" the last sE~vr=H"al. y !'.! .-.·1 t' :.; , :; :.i. n c e '[ h i.-1 v e b (! e n ..i n t h 1=>. de'!pc-:~r·tmE:~nt. T h E:' o t. h e r· t h j_ n g s t hat h r.t s b r:> Eo! n clo n (! b ':J I h t! g

I) l) e r· n Ill(! n ·! ' b ':J rn ':J ~; (-:0 l r as MinJster of F:isher:.i.es and by l.hH for·lllt~t· rJJ:i.n·i.:;·l.er· ol"" C.:H''"f=·r· Development and Advanced Sl::udies (r~r·. F'OIAit:•;··), L<.ld~:; l.:o rn,:,lkf'! sou1u VE:!r-·y well thoughtout, deta:iled pl·'uposd]:; 1-o ·1-hr=• Cnvl='('nii!E:!I"II-nF No. 71 (Mor'nin~J) ~~ ~~ L 3 3

Cdnddr.1 c::tbout i·:h~) -i.nc'lcl~::~qt.li:l.cy of the F J. s h e r-rn e n 1 ~' U n e m p J o y n 1 E! n t I n s u r· a n c e Pr·ogr'•'\ITI ·i.n gr~nt)t'dl. ·v-.1~::~ do no ·l: tl·tink t:I'IE:~ pt··ogt"arn i'' lAJorking to -1: h <:' b t::! s 1: i:1 d tJ d n t d g to! o f7 F :i. s h ~=! t'Hte n . WE:~ thJ nk that r.l number· of changE:!S o u g h 1: I. n b t.;! Hkt d e . l n p iH' U . c t 1 l. <H' , t h E~ p r· o g r· aru o u g h t t o b (' f J. e x j b 1 E:~ (:~1'10l .l9h to Sl:dt'l: lip i:\rld clO !;

t) dOIAJI'l IA.d thout hav::i ng to cut off at a p d i" 1.: "i. C Ill. <:\ t' d c:'\ t !::' d 1'1 cl b l:~ !)

l) tH' i:'\ 1'1 d don~::~ wJt:.h. Ru·t, of coUinSE:~, those ck~ci.sion~' ce~n only bE! rn,'l.d(,~ by Hw federal government, which is r·~:: ~spons-.i.bl.e for t-.he Commission. Rut the representation from this Province, Mr·. Spc-?.c::\kc·>.r', hds bc:HHl consistent, has be'en clear and has been supportive of a better system mor·e in tune to the needs of the f i. s ~H:~ nne-?. n and to 1·: he v d g cU' 'i. e s of the fishery wherever it is in Newfoundlcind ~nd Labrddor. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR . DECKER : Ml"'. Spe:~aker . MR.

SPEAKF.R: A supplt::~ruentary, thE:! hon . thE:~ rnmnber· For· HH=~ SU·<'li .i: of Flt '!ll~:! J s] e. -..- MR. DfCKFR: M r· . 3 p o a k E~ r· , a :; t: h E! rn J. n i. s h'! r· ~"-'' y :; , it has b€:!on an ongoing Lh:ing. Is there any indicat ·ion that, finally, afh~l" thE:' YE!drs of representation, the Federdl. govE:~rnrnent: t.o~dll fjnally takE! SOfTIE! d c t:. :ion on t h i. s rni .. l. 1.: t: r->. r' so t. h c:..J. t nCo! x 1:. year the samE! th:i.ng doE•s not h c:..J. p p E! n a g ,_., -L n , d n d 1:. h E~ y E:! 61 r· d f t C'! r· ? What indication is thE• rninj stE•r 9E!t.ti .ng?

Is thc:!r·e dl'lY hopr~ r=-or· {-he fisher•ntE!n up jn thE! Sl:r·ait of Belle Tslc'! <.~nd l.abrddur·? MR. SPEAi<FR : H1c• hon . the Moin..iste1" oF Fisher·ies . I 4. I 3/i. July B, i9HB Vol X I MR. RTDF.OUT: Mr.

Speaker, thpr·e is allAJays hop t-) • 0 n t::! 1~10 1 1l. d no L be ::L n v o l. v C'"J in the fishery in Newfoundlanad i:1nd U·Jbr·; .-H:Ior· i.F IJUII IAJC•t'e not. aJ.ways hopE:~ful and opt:'.i.nt~ist'.ic. n 1.1 I~ I can no 1: :; 1: i.'l r· t::! · i. n : ·. o r:1 c r· y s t. d J. baJ.l and tE:!] J. thi::' hon. gc,~ntJ.(~'rncHl ·1: hi .. \1: l: he F Hell'! r· i:-1 l. go u l'! r·· nrnE'! n 1-. i·.'t r· e about l:o make rnaj or· changes or pt::!r··fnt'rll fishc.;!r·men 1 s ffli.'1 j

I) t' UIC. I sttrqur·y do not on h f.l v (:' l.:h.'ti:. .ind'Lcc'l.i:i.on one IAJ<'lY or an o t her· . · 0 b u i o u s 1 y i t i s not a q1H~S t::lon the'\ 1:. I Ci.Hl ansiA.Wr', bu 1·.: I can only report to . hjm the r·ept'E:!senL.:tt ·i.ons l.hiitt. t;.Jc,~ hdV!'::' rn1:1de, the ideas that we have put forward for changes. Whether there will be change forthcomjng or not is no 1-. s o nH~ Ud n g 1-. h;,) l: T c c-1 n p r· e d -.i. c t . f"!R. TU L K: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : T h e h o n . t h r-:! rn c:~ I'll b e r' F o.r· F o g o . Mr~. TUL.K: Mt".

Speaker·, :r h a v e a q 1.1 e s I~ ·.i o n f o r· i ·. h f:~ r"l · i n i !> ·t :C! r' oF l.c:-1hour· U~r ·. li]anchat"d). On June 14- of t.h:i.s s:ll:t.:.lng, t.hf'! lll 'i. n·j !; i <::! i"' IAJ'i JJ I'' U C i'l. -11 i·. h <.'l i. [ , .. ,::1 I:J -1. :::• c! a letl:C:'I" in thE:! House lAJh:ich shm~wcl i: h d 1: f'1 r· . f)"' lJ' i <"I Jlll r 17 l! i_ 1·: I c () n I: I",.,, r· y t 0 IAJ h a r.: h E! l:: 0 } cJ t h P ITI i. n j S [·· ('! I" :i 1· I h·i.s l.t::!i".L:er · l:u h.i1n pJ ·'H vi.uLtsl.y, had actE:'d fo1~ EI~CO cls a ·:;cl]:iciLoJ" :in a 1 n i.~ '1:: ·1·.

C:! r· c o n c e r· n -L n q ~~ o r· k e r' s 1 Compensation. ThE! nt::i.nist<:•r' pr·otn-Lsr:!cl L:o i.rlvHsi::Lgr'll~u di'1d l:.o gE:'t: back. As I said, t.hat was June :J,IJ., so1ne i·:ht'('!('! or· Fuur· 1.~weks ago, and toddy :is Ju]y 8. I ask h d s 1 ... h e 1 11 .L n i. f.; l: f:! r· i n u e s 1:. :i g a L e cl l:. h i. s m a t 1: E! r· o I" j s h e p 1~ E' p a r e cl L o J E:! t. l:. h e 1 rJCt 1:: !·.·. e r· cl r· o p t•r'i.i: h I h e h o ;:> r.:! t: h a t. the House tAd11 closr::! dut;,Jn and th~:! g o r:t IAJ d y ?

T 1·7 h <:• IAJ h o l C! lrkl. 1-. 1:. r=! r· tAli. l J has investigated, 1.1 ~; h ·i ~=: t' <'! pn r· 1... on lAJ .i.11 he nolJ.J ~J~'Lve i\.k. FluFF(:.I:i·, ,.,~:; No . 71. (l"lor 'l'l~Ln9) i\ 'I l 3 <l

to whether he believes that Mr. Buff<:~lt has ITiisJ.E:!d htrn, as to IJJ h E! t h E! r· h (~ b (.;! 1 -L ~=! v (,~ s M r' : B u f f E! l 1~: .i s :in a confl:ict of inter·est position, dnd IAJhdt: hE! i_s goi_ng to do to ensure that the people who appear before lhe Workers1 Compensation Appeal TrjbunaJ. are assured, and perceive that lhey are getting a just hearing? MR. SPE~KER: The han. the Minister of Labour. Mf~. BLANCHARD: A muJtitude of questtons rolled "i.nLo ont~, Mr. ~3peakE!t', b1.11--_ T l.o~Jill_ do my best: fo answer -thE~m. The cHl s JJ.lE! r' 'i_ s I n 0 I T i:'tlll q ll:i 1--. e !) IH' t! Mr' .

Ruffett :is not.-in c! conflict of tnt E:~ r e !> 1_-_ ; no , hr.:' h ~1 :; n n l: t r' ·i f~ d 1: o rnj:;Jef.ld rne-or· rnis]edd anybody e]sE:! ·i_ n t.n 1-_:h i_-n k i n_g 1-_h;_~-::; ;_.1 nd, y t! !; , I took up w:i_-1-h M1··. Ruff(·d:t-· l..hE:~ 1 8 t h'!Y' i~ h ~·l t 1-. h t! h 0 tl . HW Ill b E! t' f 0 t' Fogo pr<:~sen-ted jn th("! HouSE:! on thE:~ l 3 , I 1:. h i. n k -i_ L IJJd s . f"' r· . fl1 1·f f E:!

L: L wr·ot E:~ to me con c e r'ni ng thd t pcH'ti.cul dt' l(~tb:!t' C.-Hld pointed 01.1l~ that it was not a matter which was appealablE:! -to , .. _hE~ nppE:!r'11S Tr· i.buni'tl. and therefore there was no conflict of iDterost. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! T h e t i me f o r 0 r· ,-11 Q u e s t-. ·i_ o n s h d s elapsed. Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given MR. M~THIFit\iS: M I" • ~~ p E:~ a k e r· . i\1! R . ~3 P FA iO: f~ : TIH! hon. the M·ln::is-1-PI" of Cai"E:!E:!I" l)r.;.!\)t!lOplliE'I'lt dl'ld AdiJ(HlC:<:•rl ~-)l:lld"i (·:!:;. SOME HON.

MFMRFRS: llJ.J3t; JU]!f B, 19813 \J o] X I_ 1·1 E~ cH' , hE:! cc"lt' ! MR. MATTHEWS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to respond to a question as l«~!d by Uw rnt,~lnbE:H' ·for' trw Str'c'l.i t of Bel1E! Is]E! (Mr'. DeckE!

r) pertaining to the Private Sector Employment Program and, in p a r t i c u l <H' , d p r' o j e c t a p p 1 i_ NJ F o r' by 0 1 i(E:!E~fH Tr·uck.ing l .. itn"il::od. I uJant to inform thE• hon. 9E!I'ltl.ern<.-ln t'lnd rnetnbE!t'~> or l~h('!

Housc,1 that I have investigated the lfli:11:l:er' <:1nd l:h~::• hon. gE'!nl:l."•lndn 1.1JdS corr'C-?. ct, the pr·oj e c t lAJa s app1~o v E:!d <Hld I". he Spr! c ·i i:l 1 () :; s ·i_ s l:.r:-1nt l.o~kl ~; i:1 shc-u·ehoJdE:!I~ in the C(.Jrnpany. i·IOI.IJf~IJc-)t', 1-:1-JOt'l:~ hd'; bf!f!l'l riO COI'l-l:l"dC[-_-s:i.gl'lE:!cl I:JHLIAJE!E!I'I l!':E:' Dc·)P•H'i.:J'IIf'!l'lt of and Advancc.;!d Ci'l r· c::! c:• t' ~Jt-ud:iEos D "·' \) (! l r I plilc'' n l.-_ r~nd · thr"• c o rn p i:l n y .

T h ":! ,. · r-) h o.:t ;; e b e u n monies d:ispersE:H:l o1n pcd_d ou-l:: c o n s ('! q 1 1 u n l_ l y , '[ I·~ d ;; r:• c d n c: u 'll e d no c-:J.nd, Lhc:• PI"Oject. SOME HON. MEMBERS: H f'! r.1 t' , h u a r· ! Orders of the Day MR. SIMr.IJS: M t' . ~:; p ~,, <'t k c:• r· , 1.1J '~ I.>~J i 1 l ( I o LhosP first few third readings. 0 r· d ('! t' 3 .

On rnot:i.on, a b·.i.l]_, 'cAn Act __ To ()mend Th(~ ~-ll.lt':>i.ng ():;s-isl~dni-::; Act_,11 I"PdcJ d 1--hil"d [.-il'll(,:, Ol"cJlc!lnl:'c;l fJd~)S<'•cJ i.Hl cl -j l: :; 1-'i. 1-_l E! i.H-:• ''t ~; u n l l1 r• 0 r·· c! u r' PapE:•I". (Hi.]] No. :18) r-1 :"? . ~:J H!I~l:l : Ol"d (~I" 4-. On mo-t-:ion, T n c: u r· p u J" ;_:1 1-1:.• a b·.:i11, 1cAn .Acl. Top !"he C'i_l y n r Mou ill:_ No. 71 U'loi"I'Jj n~

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Pear·l, 11 r·ead a third l~.trrH?., or·dc"!rC:H~ pass8d and its 'l":.itle be as on the o ni ~H' P <:l p ~H' . ( fll. l. l. N o . 'i ~

i) SOME HON . MEMBERS : HE!i:.ll'', hcc1ar·! MR. STMrJ!S: 01"d~H· S . On lriC)I ·."i.on, a b:i.l.l., 11 fln net: To nwend The:1 1..c~1gaJ Aid Act, 1975, 11 n~c.HI a l:hir·d :~i .tnl1, onle:~r·<~d p<:·l:>:;e:'d and Jt~; tJ .t]E:! be c.~s on the Or·der Pdper. (Bill No. 23) MR. SIMMS : Order 6 . On rnol··.ion, a b"i.l.l., 11

An Act To Arne:~nd The Conveyancing Act, 11 read ct thi.r·d t.-iiiiE:', or·dc"!r'ed pasSE!d <.;tnd its title be as on the Order Pdp<·>.r'. (Bill .- No. 21) MR. SIMMS: Or·dc:H' 7 . On 1noti.on, e1 bi .l.l., 11 An A c:t Respecting The Public S c:! r· IFi. c o I n T h e P r· o 1; i. n c e , 11 th :ir·d tirn~ '!, Ol"dE:1r·ed passE'!d L.J !:wary r·edd i:1 and jts Pap~ :! r·. I·. -i. 1··. l. e b e i:l s -{) n l h H 0 r· cl e r· (11:ilJ No . 31.) -. r-'lf~ . SH-'lr.IIS : Ol· ·cl ~'I" g. On 11101: -i.un, d b:il.l., 11 {)n Ocl: To r'ln1 ~'! n d C c->.

I" ·t· a i n A c l: s I· I a v i n g R E:' g a I" cl :: o T h r! c iHl"' c:1 : i. iHl c h ;:n· :: 1:! ,.. or ru g h 1·. :> A 11 d F r· P e d o rn s , 11 I" E~ cl d a t h :i r· d t j m C:! , or·d(H'ed pdssc:!d i.'tnd ·i.L::; l·:i.i:le I:H :! i.'lS on UH "! Or·dE:'r PapE:!r'. (Rill No . 33) MR. ~>IMMS: Mr ·. Sp l~aker, uJ E:' moV E! SE!cond r'E'!dd.ings now. b.ill No 43 . DR. COLLINS: What ctb out 21? i_ /j. i 3 () July B, :.'Ji:lB along Or·d E! r· to ?.2, V <.l .i X I MR. SIMMS: . I am sorr'y! Could WE! just hang on for· i:l s u con d , M r· . !3 p (~ rl k c:! r•? Y e s , we did Order 7 and 8.

Df·L COL.L.INS: nr·E '! you not p h y :; ·i.o I: h r:.' r· <.'1 p y gooing one? to f:injsh off MR. SIMMS : 0 h ! T ;_., m ~; on· y ! M r· . !1 p o .:., k e r· , i. f I nright· just rc->.ver·t for· a ITlOITIE·nt: to 1.·1 SC:!C:Ond r'(!r"'c:l ·i.ng . T t.h'i.nk I indicated yc->.s'LC:!Inday lAIC:~ would cal"I"Y on IAI'i . t·. h The Ph y s :i. o 1:. her· d p y () c l:. . I arn sonny about that. So, by J. C:! i:l 1; e , I: IAJi.ll. lAJ ·i. 1·: hell" diAl l:: h d t. o I" d c:! r· and call Or·de!r 30, Bill No . 64 lAJ h · i. c h w a !.> d d j o l.l r· n El. d , I b C"! l. :i C:~ v Cc' , by l:hE!

HIE>.rnbf>.r' fol" Por't . deC! Gr·ave. On lfloti.on, bill., 11 An Phys ·i.oth(!t 'apy MR. SPEAKER: second Act A c 1:. ' II r·r>.dd'ing To Arn E!nd 0 f ·~ Th e Dc :•br'l l:u by the Cr·r::t t; (! . on t:.h(! bill L~Jr·1 S i:;l d j 0 U r·· n C"' d hon . nn:'mber · for Por·l': de r he ho n . I~ hu rnernbe r for· Pur· l:. d ~:! Gr·avE !. MR. F.FFORO : M I'. . ~:~ p ('' a k e I" J j u s 'I" a F ('! IAI n I 0 I" e b I" :i l::' r c nrn 111E! n 1: ~:; . Tn adjoUI"I'Ij.ng thE:! clc,•bat. :(:! 1asl. : n·i.yhl : on e oF l·.he 1:un cc• r'n: :: r h<:td, Ml". Spc->.akE:'I", lAJas the f<'lct: . of I;.Jhat 1: h t:!

M i. 1'1' i. :> 1-c .. n· o F :·I ~~ i:ll I·. h 'i. :> cl o 'i. n g o n qne hand and :is noL d o jng on t. hE! o l: h (;! r· h i.'l n d , db o 1.1 I: t-.l·w <: o n c c:! r· 1"1 ~:; u f the pe: 'ople of the Prov:lnCE! J.n b·i.l.l s 6 3 i'lrld 6 /~ .. Bill s No. 63 and 64 p ro ves exact ly l}.J h d t·. 1 cl Ill S a I) -i. 1'19 . : .. ,) e ~; E• E! absolut:C:'ly no rwed at i~11] f01" Bi1l fd , " () n 1ic r. r~ <'! s p e ,; i.i . 1 1 q Regjstration And Licensing H <:' a r· 'L n q A i. d

I) e d l C:! r· s . 1 1 I 1.: i. s an E!C!I"th shatt:.er·jng bjl], anc! ... 1 nr:: Of net it .. ,\) (J . / 'i \ •\"J i,l(' li I jJ'j J .\ 't· ! •. ) \)

J~; not go:i ng to bE! damaging t:o the p 0.w pl.~.-~ o f t·. h ·i s P r· o \) "i. n c: t'! :i. f t h i. ~; b:i lJ neVEH' goes Un"ougf1. BiJ l No. (ifl. -i.:; Cl tlt:'C~::~ss;u·y U1·i ntj. U: 'i.<; a bit of housekeeping but uery necessdr'y. T t b r· i n 9 S Til(.;! b a C k 1: 0 E:~ X i:l C t l. \) IJJ h d t I tJJa s s a y i n g 1 a s t e v e n i n g tiJ he n i t COITI(:1S to the ch .i.r·opr·ac tor·s of thi.s Province. The minis tel" is going +: o h a v f>. ·t o d E! a l I~J:it. h 1: h t s i:l n d I think this is the best opportunity I c:itn going to get now :i.n thi .s sittJ.ng of the House of Assembly.

Co u 1 cl t h ~'! 111i. n is t e r· ex pl. d -i_ n l:: o I~ h n House of Assembly, and to the p EW p lt,~ o f t h i. s P r· ()\) :i. n c e , tAl h y y o u arc,1 br:inging in acts J:ike:1 Bill No. 6 3 , r.t n d c !) m p l e t i. n g -L g nor· ·i. n g L h ~:! c h j I" o pI'' cH: '1-. or· s of t h E:1 P r· o v j n c ~~? l want to r=-epE~at and rnakE! clE:'al" fur· i:he:.' ur i.rLi .s1.ur· i:o ltnd£'!r'!>h ·\nt:l, and i:l]J n1E~r11ber·s of th:is Hour.E• of () s s t:1 rn b l . y to 1 1 n d t! r· :; LiHl d , t;.J ~.-~ d r· <::! n u l: i:l~; ITil.tCit COrtCE:'I"I'lE!d about t:hE! chi.r·opr't.'lchn·~,; d!> t.~JH .:n'<:! abol .l'l: i:ht-:! poop] E~ of t:he PI"OVirtCE:' and thE:1 I;.Ji:lY ·Ln IAJh'ich l:hey r'lr'C::! bl:! ·i.ng 1:r'Udl.er:l.

J f j t 1~1 r.~ S Cl C 1':1 S E~ lJ.J h E:• i" e t: h e r (-'. I;.J €~ I" C->. n o c h :i. r· o p r· a 1.: o r' s · i. n 1: h H P r' o lJ i. n c t:! a n d t h E:! y t.U e r· c,c n o t p r a c t '.i c :i. n g , t h e n i:her·e IAJoul.d be a tote1ll.y d:i.ffpr·f:!nL : situation. But, :Lt is a clear· fc'lct that ti ·H:•r 'e->. -Ls nOIAJ a nutni:H:!r' of ch:ir·oprclctors Pl"actic:i.ng :i.n thE! P r· o v i. n c E:! . H o I;.H~ v <:! r· • t. h e r· E! -i. s nobody in this Province, no ofF ·ictal. or· nobody c r.1 n 1:: E! 1.1. 11 s i. f OrtE! of thOSE:' pE!OplE! ar'E! qual.i.fi.ed.

There are no licence · boards set up and nothing SE!'l up to govern the chiropractors. Anybody at all can practice ch·ir·opr'dCI:.i.<:S r·:i .ghi ·. fl()lll r:·1nci 1-hdl ': :i ~~ d VC"!t"Y dangE:·r·ous s'itucd:.ion. lrJic' a1··p Ldl.k:ing about pCc!upl.€:! i;.J:l -[· h b i'1 1; k p r• 0 b 1. (!I II~; lAI h 0 COII- 1 <! L) (:!

C I'' j t. i C Cl.] ] y j 1'1 j U 1" €~ cJ f 0 I" ] :i_ f E~ hy p 1:! o p l £'! no 1: db l f! 1: o p r· d <: i"'i r; C! ::.) , .. o p r.:o , .. l y on l y p r· of e s s j o l'ktl I !.J. 'I 37 J11l .y a, I'JilB vu-i:\1 pE:wplE:! shou1d have having thP o p p o r· h.ll'd i: y l: o p r· r-1 c 1: 'i. c e . T h i't i: -i. s a concern. The rnin:istE·r· :is going i·:o hHve i~o r:lo;,,l. IAii.~:h l:h ts , ~.:hPr'e is no question about jt. What I do not undE!l"Stand is t;.Jhy tl·w m:Lntst.<:~r -i.s no t.~odlling l::o bring in

an act to set ~P a llcenci.ng board. The only clear message t..ue want out of jt is thE' fact thdt the chiropractors will havE:~ to bE ! rE!gistE!red in the Pro v i n c e ·L n o r d e r· to car· r y o u 1': a practice. That t;.JouJd then ensur'E! 1:. h ~~ p E'! o p l t~! o F l: h ,::. P r· o v ··i. n c e 1·: h c,• y arE' properly qualified. We r.1re not talking about nurnbE!l''S of p c.:. o pl. H 9 e '1". 1· ... i n g in j u r· t;' d o I" mlstreated here.

If one person lJ'i !;·i. i ~; <:1 cl.,-i .r·of>r'r:1C i.Oi" I;.Jh() 'i.s no L qua] :i.f:i C"!d and t hf'!Y ar·e dan1agE :!d, ·U101i· . ·i_~; <:•noii~.:Jh di ·Wii :1gr-) i:o he :! clone jn this Prou:incP fot" Jeg:i.slat.ion, IAJhf.~n :·:HlY orw p<'!t·srHJ i.o be :l n j u I'' Cc! d . And the nt :i n .l stu I" :i ~; i. () l:i:1 -~, l. \) r'l'! ~; p!) 1'1 ~; ·j_ b 1 l'! . ::J (' 1"1 <.'l ~:; h d cl I"E:•qUE!Sts ft"orrt a Canad::Ldn Chi.['!) pt'i.·) ( hH' n ~; ~:; () c ·j c:-11". i

l) n I t7 t'OIIl n1any d:.i.ffE:.r'E!nt gt"oups of pE:•oplE:! in r'l n cl ''' r· n 1 1 n cl i h <'! P r· o v j_ n c E'! o f NetAifoundland and Labr·adOI"; he has r·ece i.VC'!d r·eque~; l:s lr·om associations across Canada and nob o < J y 'in 1 ... 1· 1 e C h i. r-· opt' a c l: or· Association, or in thE• Pr·ov:i.ncE! of l\JE'!lAJ'foundl .r'lnd and l..dbr·c<clot" can u n dE! r stand lJ.J h y thE! rn:i. n :is t E! r· tAJi 11 n o 1:. 1 o g i. s l. d ·1·: o . T h e r' c:! 11 d s g o t t o be so rne t: hi n g . L'll E' j us t: cannot:. r: o n c e ·i v e u f c'1 I" C'! d s o n 11.1 h y a n a c 1- i. ~; not brought in.

The mini~;tE!r' :.i.s goi .ng l·_o hdVe i·_o rdC<:• ·1-.hi .~; ~>OlliE! ddy. ThE:' PI" E! nr.i t'' r· • h ::i rn ~; E! 1 f ::i s i n v o J v P d . r: hi-lllf:. d lr'!i'.l:u;·· Ft'UIIl i:hH flr ·c:~tnLE"''' t,1J 1·1 e I" f~ h f:' a c k n u tAl J r'· cl <:J E'! d l-1 l E! L 1· E! I" r·l~ce ·i u<-:•d Fr·ont i he pt"·(:!Sf'!lll:_ Ch:li"CJPI"dct.or· A~>~>oc::i.at·.jon t.~Jhte>I"C:! hE·· i\<:JI''UE!d. J·lt-:! i'lpO l og·i /C'd J: ')l .tppos::~ ~!. f y n tl r ·'' e~ n +· 'I o ~; i-111 ·i 1-, f n I" L h p ~.! (") . '/ J U·1 (J i" n i i 1 ':;) :\ •1 i '': '/

member· for· St. John's Nor·th (Mr·. J . C <H' t.c ,~

r) b t:! c d 1.1 s C! . oF 1:: h H statem~~nts he rnade, but he agreed r: hI::! c h i. r· o p r· a c to r· s ~; h o 11 J. d b f'! liCE:!I1Ced. Tl·1er'"=' should b~'! l e g i. s l. "' 1: -Lon b r· n u g h '1:. -i_ n i ~ o i ~ h C:! 1·1 o 11 s t::! of AS SC-:!rttb]y and he-:! said it IAIOU]d be done. Thts is back three years a g o . :r n 1 9 8 S he to~.JI'· o t· "=' t hi ~; 1 ~d : t P r i'.o +:ht,~ Chir·opt'i'lctor · ()!;s oc Li:1i: :i.on :i.n ansi.I..IEH' to a l~~t.tc.;!ln fi"Orn thE:HII.

But: thP M:i.njstEH' of Hc,!c:illh, J.:ib:1 1-. h !:' f 0 r'lfl (! t' r"!·i. n :i. ~d '.I:H' () r H l:.' H 1 1: h' t o t: a J 1 y :i g n o r· e s t. h E:! s j t u a t ~l o n . J f t.o~Je Ci:H1 br·i.ng Jn i:'ln (.)ci· . t'f!:;pect: ·in':3 tht ·! Rt ~g:isl .r· at'ion Of l.'.i cEHis'ing Of H o d r· i n g (\ ·i d A n cl

I) f;! a l. 1:~ t' :; , t;.J h y n o i: one~ fo1" l::hE:!Se pE!Op]E:' . He:~ sa:id lr::t s 1-. rdghl: U: IAJi.~s for· i:hH Pl"otr,!ct::ion of LhE! consumt>.I"S, c'J.l though i t si ·.-iJ.l. pd SSC>. S lilY unc:J c,•J"Si: c~nd :l. ng- t..uhy ·it t..uouJ.d be a pr ·ol~.E!Ct'i.on -for· Lhe~ consumer·s becaus e anybody in this Prouince cdn notAl S E~ll. hE!dt '"i.ng d-.icls. He teJ.Js us that anybody wh6 has been S C~!ll'i.ng th t:!lrl ·For · the l.

C.·\S t l~.tAJO YE :'ars, once:~ this Act is br·ought in , IAJi .ll dU 'I-.Oifldt-i.cc:1 ll.y bt>.c orn rc! ab le l'o I"E>g :istE!r ' dnd abJ.e t o carry on Lh r=! pr·ac+:. ·i.ce, --~ =;o lAIC ~ -c'II"c '.! no 1·. sc:1~ i ng thdt HJE:'r'E :~ -ar· E~ only quaJ.tfjE•d pe: :!opl u cH' <:11td i.ol .og i.~; !·~; L~Jho Cl'\1'1 clo this . C c~. n l. h H rrr:l n :i ~;t · P I" g :i v E:~ u s r.1 I" E~ d s o n 1~1 h y l ~he c: IT i r' o p r· •':\ c: i ·. o ~· :; <.H' e n n i: l.:icHn~;c~d? ThE:!Y ~;houJ.cl be, fol" onE:! t'' (! d •; 0 n !) n l. y ' f

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C) r· l-.I·IE.! pE~opl.E~ of th(! Pl"ov:i.nce to (:! n s 1.1 r· t-) , <:\ n cl r: i" c'! p c'! ; ., L·. c; u r· y 1; l t! c'l r·· l y , t-. 0 E! 1'1 S lH' e t· h Ct t 0 l'l J y pI" 0 f (,! S S i 0 1'1 d] 1-j r:c·=·n~;cc•d chi r·opr 'i.'\C l.nr·:; c;JOit] cl b1:• r.~ble 'lo pl"actj.cE:! in ·l:l·,:l,s P r· n v-i_ n c r::• . T h t! on l. y t' e i'\ ~;on IAJ<'! •.'t t' e i:l~>ki.1·1g oiL at l' .. his po:.lnt:. :i ~; to e n s u r· e HH'! p r· 0 1·: l! c i ~ i

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C) r i .11 u pE!Op1E:! of l..h:.i.s PI"O'J:ince. Unless he Cc.'lrJ dl'l~)IAIC::!r' dl"'cl g·j Ur" d · ljOOcJ uc:tlid l"ed son for' no act, then thc:=!r'e is no j11sr: l"r:'!c'l~;on I)Jh~ ~ :·: ~ rn c c ~ ·.i {~ t ~ 0 I'\ '": 0 • -l ;:-~ t-..:; (/ )r: •' 1" (1 1 ,-, f'! n ; ~ + ,_ •.. ,. 11 a July e, \.')(J(J lJ

r) l X 1... be introduced in this House of A :; s o 111 b l. y a n cl lAJ h y J t h d ::; n o 1~. b e e n in the past, or .even in this s P :; s -Lon . H r:! t' (! w~: ~ d r· e n o1..u, co 111"i. n g dot.~.m t.hr·ough th-E! Ckclel " Paper·, and ~~ he r· t) · i. :; no I: h · i. n 9 on l: h E' 0 r· c:l H r· Paper for that group. The Minister of Health has not ;~nshJc· )T'Pd 1·.l1e q1 .1r,~s i: 'ion dncl rnany, Tlkl n y p Cc! o p ] e i n· · t. h i s P l" o u i n c c,~ a I" E! ~~Jnnrl ~n -·i.ng I~Jh< .·\1'. ·i.s l:hr-: ! pt::!t'son<'-1 1 r· E:! a s o n . I s j t a p e r' s o n a J L h j n g 1~ri .Lh the-:!

M ·i.n ·i:;h'!t ' oF Ht'!i'il.l ·:h? [)o( '!S the member for St . John' s Nor th (r-k. C.:n ··i 1:! r·) h• .'tiJ e l.llc::t l·. !'fill c h :influence on t hE! CabjnE!L that th E! r· oi. cl J c: 1 11. o 11 :; s i: a h~ nw n 1: :; l·w h a s m d d e publicly, and in this House of ():;s c:!rnbl.y, agi :li.nst i::h E! I . t t I l l I M. . l c 1 JT o pI" a c .: or· s , _ "li.'L .. : ·~. ·w :1 n :1 s ·:·. E:! r· o f l·l(~dl.i :.h (Or ·.

Co 1l. i.ns), l::he Minister' of J Ll s t :ice ( M s V ~:'l' ' g P) , dnd the Cabi.ne~ ~ctucilly be lieve th E! statem E•nts · hE! mak es and agr' E:.e lAI i. l:: h [~: he S t:. d h'!rll EH 1 [~. S l'.: J·1 d 1:. IH'! . llli'l ci1:! publi .cJ.y? Thts is the ql.IE! S t~ion !".he people of !".h e Province are asking. We have to face up to the faLL l".hcd: Hw lu'd·Lsl.c'tlion 1r111::.l b::• brought in. The M :·i I'll s l::C'!l" of liC!c:ll.i ·h · 1:i 'll'1 ·;[· . .:tnd lip c''tncl ~:;1'\y i··hey a I" e o n J y j n l·: E! I" t:• s L E:< cl :i n l h C! c h i.

I" n p r· ;:c c h'J i" !; i'lll cl i ·1·1 d I ·i ~:; i'l J 1 , b; i :·: l·: h a t :i s a b s o J u t c,! 1 y n o l ~,; o . T o l. i C:C:!I'l' ;( ~ l:l ·li''IJI IAJOII'I (I PI"Oi:li'ibl y PXC]LJdE• fOUl'', f~iVt~', 01" SE:'U('!l"r.t]; lAJE! d

C) i'1 (I i.: k ll!) IAI h (ll AI llli'l 11 ':J rH' H quaJol .fied. I wo u 1 d ] ::i. k E:! l () h 1.':' C.H' l h 0 Hri .rd~;l<::!r·':; COillffl~:·ni~:: on lhai -. dnd T IAIOUJ.d ]ol.kE• t.O hdVe t.I·IE~ c1~;sLJ.I"i'J.I'lCE! i-I"Oirl l:hr'! rnJnish :•r' lhdl. ch!Fi .n'i.h =:l y 1E!gisJ.c1t'.j.on 1Ad.11 bE• bi"OUght -_in, i. h C" -~ i. C: (! tl ~; ·i 11 9 b 0 d I" d IAI ·i. l.l. b ('• ::; ('' i·:. u p , a r; d I;..J E:! h d v r,:• a s u .:t r· i:\ 1'1 t.

E· ~=· i:. h u onl.y poopll'' IAJho I~Ji .·l-1 be·:. <'l1l.otAJt~c! !·.n practice chiropracl::jcs is this P 1·· o v i n c f:! , d :·~ i n ~'! ~) c:· r· y o l:: h 1:! r· :.·:·. 1· · ·) t , j n (: ·::, ·t 1'1 ,.~ ~::-, n ;:;:t c! ~·. ::~ ': ':1·1 ( 11'""'' No . '/1 (MOI"n·i nq) l~/~ '1313

!d- a t e j n t h e U n :i 1 e d S t Cl t e s 1 a n d ~ s Ln llkH1Y o H1l'H' co11n1:r' i e~; ·i.n I he• tAJOI"] d I dl''€~ '!-.hosE:~ t.vl10 qCii:.llify tHIUel" d l. i.Cf'!r1S i.n~ bOc'lr'ci. (.):; USIIi?\} 1 I•Jt-:~ i'.ll" E'~ b Ph :i. n d n1o s ·t e u c->. r· y t h j n g :i. n t h P t'E!S1'. of CC\n; .-tc:l.:-~ ;u1d IMe ;H ··c'! CF!l"ti:dnJ y behind in Hd s one::!.

I l: -is i:ht::! r·~~spon~:db:i.l ·i.i:y of l:hlc~ M:inJster of Health and somewhere down r:.he 1-Ln(:~, 1 hopco' it neu~:!t' happens, but somewhere down the l 'l rHo' s o rn (.;! o n e i. s g o i. n g '1:. o b 1:::~ respons~bJe for somebody possibly bE!'.ing injiH'ed dnd none;! of us wot.ll.d like to see l:hat. I do not think for' onE! second thdt 1-.h<'! M-Ln ·i.Stf:!r of ll(o~alth would eVE:1r like to SeE! that happen in this Prou-Lnce. DR. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker. MR .

SPI~f)l\1.1~: lf 1·he rn·i.n ·i.si .. et' close~ the debate . s p:;!, '•\ k :; n ut ... l T l1 e h o r 1 . t-.l1 C"' 1'-ti n i s l P r. o f H e a 1 t h . DR. COLI.INS: l'11:! i:hink [ j11: ::i: rll'''''d t.n r·espo1tcl i·o o I'IE:! p o :i I'd h E:! I" E~ a n d t h o.'l- j ~; Ht E'! 111<~ 1:1: e r' j 11 s l·. d ·i s c 11 s ~; :'! cl by Ut r'! h on I'IIE~rrd:J!?r· For· }'lor·t dE~ Grave (Mr'. r:Ffor·d). He hds flli:1cle i.'l l'll.llllbHr' oF ~;l:d'L('!Illent.s l·hur·e thdl: di''E' noL r' <:!a lJ. y f u uncle cl .i. n r· 1::! d 1.

I. 1~. y . r~ I. r' s t·. 1. y , h ~=' d :i. d Jrk'l k e o n e st·atE:1ITIEH1L, I Ullnkl that puts Lhe IAJ h o l. e q u e s t-1. o n "i. n c o n 1: f;! x t~ d n d 1·: h '·~ I~ j.s that·~ hE! st.t~tE•d, and I arn just r· £'! p o r' t i. n g w h d t: h c~! s t. a 1:: e d , T d o n o 1:. I< n otJ.J :if t h j s is 1: r· u E! or· not , but. I c c.;! r t d .i. nl y r:. d k r'! h 'i. s 1~10 r· d on i 1:: , t. hat Uw P l" E! nd c:! I" IAJI" o l E! on t. h j s llldl.l.f:!(' -jn l9B 1:>, i·IAJO r.Hlci d hi:1-lf, Ot' whatPvPr, year·s ago, so t.i·ti'll: ·.is an i.nclicc'1i- ·i.on i·hctl ·: i:h ·is i.s noi : i:t flld ·I +. E?

I" I" I' I Cl t y 0 u j us L cuI" Co' up ::i 1'1 i:l lAW I·~ k or· l::t.1J o . T h 1:• t' P : n: ''! ·i :; ~:; 1 1 I'! ~; t. h bd h d d t 0 h E·! c~ d d I" (,; S S E:! d h f> I" E:• • (\ '; (1 llli'' · + i· ('I" of f"i:tcl -, r 1:· h:i n k. t hP I l! IV) .J l I ·1. y i3 , 1 '! iJ 1J \) (l : ;( 1. question of bdngjng :ln a C rJ'L l" 0 fH' ;,1 C hH' i:\ C 1'. 9 0 f! :; b c1 C k I~H:! 1.1. I:H::1 y o n d l. 9 a ~; . I i~t rn not: Cl'! I" t: a ::i. n h OIAJ long, !:)Ill:. ·i I i.~; my under 's i:r.'lnd i.ng it even goss back into the dayi of i:he 1.;~1:<;! iwn. &'lli :11l.au~ :·lot.l! ::~::'.

Since I have been in the p 0 t' 1·: f 0 l_·i. 0 , l h i.'IIJ H p ll t' SUE:! d t h "i. S matter to the extent I have had 1 rH'! e! L i n 9 s IAJ' i. Ut s ornE'! of o u r· officials on the matter, I have arrangerl for sorne of our officl~l.s to travel to other provinces to gE~t cerl:crin Jnfor·matJon tAlc~! dJ.cl nol~. have on fi IE:~ and that IAJa s nec<~~;sar·y i.nfonnat .ion .. Inci.dE!ntally, I hc-~d ITIN!t.ings I.Vtt.h 0 I: h H r' i. n 1-. (! t' E! S 1-. E:! d b 0 d 'i. f~ S 1:: h r:'\ t h <"!. cl not been TTIE:'t t.vith bE;fore on t.hj s p;_'tt'l:.ic:I .Il.dt' Hldlt.t:!r'.

T cor·r·r:!sponclecl with the chjropractors. I have llOIAJ s E! L: lip i'l gt'Oilp l-.o br· l.ng 'l:.ogE:'thE''ln thE! J.nfor·rnat.· .. ion 1.<1(' hdtJ t'! be r:~ n c 0 I'll p i. l.' i i"l g ()

l) t:! , ... l.hl':! l •·.·l ~:; 1·. nurnbl'~l" df months and I IAJOU1d ;n 11·i.r: ·i.p::1l:1:! Lhdi: i.n l:l·t(• nt !.)(1 · nurnber· of tJ.JE:~ u k s L ITi. s g I"'()(J p IJ.Ji ] J be I' 1,:! pI) t' i_ i i'ltj l: [) I II(! . r: l i. !U • l y IAI i 'l l l:l 1:! I'IIE~Co~ ·l irig I.~J:i th tl·lt 0! gi"OUp and I J ook For'IJ.JiH'ci 1•1hun 1>~11'! t.:JHi·. l·.hc•ir · ·is~>IIC•s st r't'd gh ·I:C'!I'lE:! d out Lc 1 b1"j ng.i n~:J i-OI"I•Jdt'd ::1 dt•i.'ifl: bi 11 I

I) Cr:'!b liH'·I·. dnd, tf Cdb:in<:;L agl"E'E:!S 1 ~; 1 1 b s r'' q u H n l:: J y l. o 1".1"1' i :,: H o 1 1 ~:; E'! . Tltu hon. '''f''trtb(: •r' ·i~; ~,;uqgusl -'i.lllJ 1;.!1:! have nol: been doi ng anything on ·1. I~ , 1-. h i.'t I. ·j s n o 1... d I· r' u e I" C'! f l r::• c +· .. ·.i. o n of the reality. We haue been d c l: ·i. n g o n ·L t v e r' y cl ·.i. l .:i. g ('! n 1:: l. y ; :1. 1:: is not a simplE; mattE,r, even I:: hough you m"i.ght sd y, 'Evt :!t'Y pl .:tee c,~lse has got it.' Our· c-i.r'CUiflSLdi'1C('!S h~:!r'P dl"t~ a b·.il': dlfFE•I''E!nl ·~ in Lh .. Ls r·E•gar·d t.han

I) t. h ('! r' p l r'1 c H ~; . lr\1 H c d n I' I 0 L . j u ~; 1·: l". c'l k "-' IAJ hat t. hey a,,. E! doing i n 0 n La I" :i o a n d l:t 'iHl !3 1-:~r· i l. l.o l·ll;!r'::!, dll:houqlt LJ..JH ITli'l d (-' S U 1'" e I.\J P IAJ f'!l'' t'! l.\1 e l -~ r'WJ ell" (' 0 f 1·. hE• HX FJl'! l''"i I'' 1'1 C U ~,; i 1'1 01·1 hH ' .i 0 d nci A1bE:!l"'l"a dl'ld jn c,l .. l·lel" plrl(:E·~,; ~;u l.h i·l.l t. he-• Y I~JC! clo i\1, J 'I I C

I) I 11 cJ l (! <.'II ' 1'1 l h ·Ln~:J!·: dr1d , ( jV) I I r'J''I i (ll~ ) r1" ·u 1n UH'· ~~JdY E'UPn l:i "IO U~JI" I Ll.lf' i< '! I 'J')

cannot trclnsfEH' exactly what they cH'e do L ng ~0 us J IAJ(c~ c rHl 1 <~rH 'n fr'(llfl the way that they have.done it and hOIAJ .U: nri.ghl~ 'illlpi'lCi ~ upon liS . Thr'\1·· . .:i.s dl.l. I cr:~n sr.1y. VII('! hr:~ue beE!n wor·k:ing on it. J haVE! told t.: he chi r· o p r· a c t~ or· g r· o up 1··. h"' t: tAih f'! n J r.un :i n a p o s :i t :i o n t o s a y s o mE:' t h :i n g IIH~Rn"i.ngFul. l:o 'l:h(:'llt, and T ~lt:IIH) wt"j ·t.tE~n to -t hE~m on l::h:is and I have s p o k ~=! n 1: o 1:·. h C:~lll on 1: hE~ !: c-:! l. c-) ph u n ~) on t h i S , l IA.Ci J.J. 5 0 l U p ITIIP.

C:d: i n 9 S S 0 Uw y 1.11 J.l.l. ~w F ttl.l. y con lJ c,n· s i~Hll: 1.11"i. I·_ h t he way our· t h :i n ld n g i (; g o J. n g bHi-c)r'e t.~Jt-:! i:\CI".IId-lly gl:)i: ·i.nl-.o l:hc:! dr·afi.:.i.ng of thE! act. So T hope,, 1·. h io\ 1-: cl C) 1::' S 9 ·i_ lJ (! ~;

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C) tltE~ hon. I'IIPfiii:HH' and to t-:hE~ ntE~rnber·s of UH~ Ho11st:!. w i. 1-. h t: h o s c:! IAJCH' cl S , T moue s ~~con cl r·eact.l ng. On n1otjon, a bill, 11

An Act To AlllC:Hld The,~ Phys Lotht'!r'apy Ac t 11 , r'(:!ctd a s e c o n d t i rn C:' , o r· d C:H' e d r· e f E! l'T E! d t o d CcmltnitteH of Ute WholE! HOUSH pr'E!sen ·tly by leave. ( B'.iJ 1 No. 64-). MR. SIMMS : 0 r· d ~H' 2 2 , B i. l. l. N o . lJ. 3 . 0 n Til o t i o n , s ~~ c o n cl r· ~=? ,~ d i_ n CJ o f d b:i11, 11 An Act_ Rp~;ppct-..i.ng Compan:.ie~; V d.l . i. d r.·1 f: i. on" . ( ll i. "I_ J i\J o . If. 3 ) . The hun. 1-_hH M:in·i s l:~::·r· oF .Tu:;1: i.e:~. M~> lJfl~CF: f.l}r·. Spea ker ·, ThE:' Comprud E' s V i't l. 'i;cl i,\ 1.-i.

U n () C 1·. i:\ [- 1-.c-:! fll p ·I :; I o c; 1 I r· 1·) po~; ~;i.bl e pi"ObJ E:!rJI(; thcd . couJ d r· (·:? s u 1. 1-. r I' ()In flt" ·~' ci · .. i c () ''; I I n cl (! r' T h H Con 1 p r;; nit=! s A c "l. . ThE~ Corn pend E:! s A c 'l".: I•Ji\~; r't:!pl..::tc:Hd by Thc-:! Cor·pcH'i\l ·i.un•; Ac:·l on Jt:~rtUr:-tl"Y ], 1987, so th'" r'l c 1·:_ i. o n ·; I: h ,., 1: c'' r-· ,,, I h r:> •; t.l b :j ~-' c; 1-. o F I l1 :i s b :i 1 l o r: cu I" I'' r:? d -~ n 1 9 il6 u r b(o!fOt'H.

Thr- :! dilHHlcllllf'!J'li·:; IAJet'f:• ~;ougl· 1t by the Lat~J ~3ocie+:y of J\ll:!t.-~Jfouncll.dnd dnd i:\ l.eg ·i.sl.al·. ·iun r: () fiJl'ILi ~:. [· :·, (' () F ! . 1'1 p : at~J s () c:- _i_ "'·[--'/ i.. 1l l :w . T1.1 1. y n , 1. ') n ll IJolXI . actualJ.y contributed to the cl r· a f +: i n g o f 1·: hi. s b i. l. 1. . A s I s •"~ y , the purpose of jt is to eljrrd.nate d 11 y p 0 $ S .i. b l_ P d l-'! f E! C l-:. S t·. h d. 1: IAJ E! r' Co' adherE!nt in the oJ.d Cornpardes Act d.ncl the reguldt1ons under thdt Act. T J·w r' 1:~ d t' t! {-_1.110 ·i_ ~; S U ::• S cl (~ r:\ J t tALi t: h .

F.:irst, provision for the t'l~ tr·oi.-1. c 1.: i IJ (~ Vi:\ l. "i.d<J t·i.on n·F F ~''''! s which were collected in good faith by 1-_l-w Rc,,g-i Sh'r:H' ol- Compdl'l"i.t•S Fr'Oifl fo1"elgn cor·p<H'ations r·E:•g::i s LE!J"ing · i. n c r· r,, ·~' :,; n ~' .i. n 1·. he · i_ t" i·\ 1.1 1·. h or·· i 1.. n d S hal" e Ul p j t d 1 . N OIJ.J, E:!V j d ~:! n t J y 1·.hr -:•r'c'! ~~""'~' c:l t'!•.H' i'llll·.hc:w-.i 1:y foJ" -t-hesli:~ fees :i n:i.t:iaJ.] y but ·, t.hJ"ough •.n1 o IH' t' ~;-i_ g h 1-. , p r· o b a b l. y , f n r· i:1. per'i.od of time fJ"om J979 tl'll"ough l 9 f3 () , I: he i' f:O g I 11. d i: :i.

I) n :) ci U i.-1. l. :i. I l g I..1J:i 1-: h this matter did not clearly pi'

I) I) ·j_ cl I·) collection i:\l .ll ·.hor·'i,l·.y of fE!E!S. for the Nevertheless, l·.he ·:~Hg·i.s l·_:t''rH', ,.,s T Sdy, such faith, c:l:id collE:~ct dccor·clanc~ =! and ULi.s d tten l~·ion DepartlTIE!nt lAd. 1: It a l:.iit r· i F F was br·ought of Lh<,~ by a me:~mber· oF ·i.n good FE!E'S :-i.n s (-'!!~. ou 1·.: Lo thE!

Jus 1: .i c ::;> thE! )_ cllAJ Soc·Lely, a private practitioner onJy u.rithin t:he last yE•ar· or· so. ()ff ··Hr' -.i.i.: I•JdS po-i.nl~c=•cl ouL by th ·i.s solicitor, we feJt and the Law ::>oc ·i(:!i-y l"c-:•cOITllfiC:=!nclecl l::he\1:: IAJE=! br· -i.ng ·.i. n l:: h E! 1 E! g ·.i s l r.l t ·i o n s E:• 1·: o u L j n t h e b:i.1l. l:o t'(' l·_r'nr:1C l:.i .IJfYly Vc'tl . i cl,,,(-:n l:h,:• fees co11ected by l::he Reg:istr·ar f'i"Uirl fut'l'! "i,gn cor··poi·'c\1-ir)Jl:; L<Jhu h;-.:ld ·t-hE:•:il" author·:i:LE!d shdr'E' Cdp::i_t:d] ·j

I) c: t' I'! i:) ~) (! c:l , T I 1 c-:• :; c-:• c n i 1 d p r· u u ·i ~:; · i n i 1 , d <Ft -j n , J"E•cormrt~'!rtclr,~d by lhe l.d.t.~J ::;oc:ir:•Ly, t: l e ;:t r· :; 11 p ,., n y p o :; ~' i b l. r-:! p r-· o b l e 111 lAJh:ich rn:ight l"(c!~>u]t fr·orn (;hdr·es lti:11J·i i'19 bc'!c'!il hc:. 'l c! in ~-.r'll•=.l- lJ.JhHr'•'! one l::I"U~>tr::>e rrrigh-L hauE:! held shi:!J"E'~; 1-rH' l'IHH'c:" l·hi.'li '1 Oi'lU bl'!I')C!F ·i_c··i.d l''Y ditd, c1 f r. our· s E~ , L he o] d Corn pan ::i , .• ~; ~~ c 1:: t'f'!C[II.ir ·Hcl f·.ltt"Hl'! .i.nc·or·por·dl: :o r·s dnd Lhr·eE· ~>hi'lr'eho1dcc!r's , ~;o ~;ontl'!

CJII\O•~;I ·.·i.OI'l nr.irjhr·. rH'i .S(~ r'IS l·:o IAJhel ··hc:>l" c; omr::• of 1-_1·1 r-:> 0, f'! L r· u ·~ 1: C\ !"!"an q !''IT! I':' n l-" i'~o. 7 ·: ( Mur·n ·i. ng) ~~ 1\. I !W

!;c.d::i !;fy · the r'E~qu :it"eTIIEH1t fot" a llli.n"i.rrtiiiTI or UH'(c~~' ~>hcH't:!hOl.rii,H'~;. (.)c:t ·ually , i he p r'i'i c t i c e of U1 (~ f~ u 9 . i. :; l:t• tl_ t' 0 V PI" t :i. II IE~ , C o1np i.'l n ·i. ~:! :; or Cornpi.H1 'i.e:; r:i1i.~ngr:!d TOWiH'd!; ti·w E~nd of t'h~! A c ·1: h "' :i. n ~; ·i. :; 1: ~~ cl c l.t:! i:l r· l. y tJpon thr·c->.E:~ d'iffet"~H1t s h a r· t-:~ h o l. cl ~:! r· :; . R u I: for· a p r'! r· ·i.o cl o-f l :i nt E~ t h to!

R E~ g i s t I" Cl r· c:t c c ~1 p t E:' d dt'r'angE!HH:!nl'-.s 1.ul·wr·r;~ tht:!t't~ U.kt:> d. t.r·tJsteE:1 holding shc:tr·es for morE! thctn one beneficiMry to satisFy the r·equiremE:~nt of the m'inirnurn of three shdreholders. That. i.s all I r·E~dlly nE~ed l:o si'\y, Mr. SpeakEH'. These ar·e obviously t~:!chnlcdl. changt~s r·E~cornm("1ndE:!d by thr:1 LatAJ SoC'h'ty l:o CUI"e any p o b~ n t. 'i.<:l. J. p r· o b l P 1 n 1.u ITi c h rn-i g h t. arise, despite the fact the f\c;!9Js lr'dt' or --COirJpdn "i.e:; dnd }di~Jyer·s c.tr1d thE!:ir· c.J .:l.ents ell] acted in good fr.d l:h. ~1R.

WFI.I.~3: Ml" . ~~pea. i<E~l". MR . ~-;pf::(.)I<F.R : lh(! hon. i".hH I. . ~~ i:l cl e t' or !· h(·~ OpposJ t:.i on . MR . ~·JFI 1.~~: T h i.·t n k y u u , ~~ r' . ~) p ,,, o'·1 !< ''! r' . T h l;! rwi. n J. s I· e! r' h i·l :; H x p l. i:d n I'! d t I H :! p lJ 1" p o ~; E:' of thE'! b :i J 1 and tAle h d v E! no q u d r-r- t~! l. u.ri. ! .. h i. 1: . l'lo l: h ;u· t:! E:!l'lt:i I"E:!l.y c~ppr·opr· :la\'.E:!. The second p u r· p n s Cc! , 1: o t~! n s u r· ~:! t h "' L-. d c o rn p r:'t n y · th.i'.lt had 1E!SS lhan three shar·eho ldC "!r's but. ho :.\d c1l·: ledsl~ . onE! of thern etct:i.ng in more t.han onE!

Cdpc~c:i .t:y, Ls qui _I~C:' dppr·opr'"i.di::E'! dncl I cl g r· (c' e wj t h j. t-, but I think the,~ E! t~:; r:\ l~.~~chni.c< -11. chr:tngl'! 1-_hc'tl~ nueds to be made because r think the n p p o s i. l: 1 ! h c1 ., h u f'! n s d 'i. ,:I . :in or·dE:'I" l~.O g.iVE:! ('!ffE!Ct IAJO r·d 1 u n l_r;! ~; s 1 s huulcl bu I j_fl • I I~H I JtJ-ly B, i9Bil 1: Sl.lqtjfo•SI " l_o ::i l:, ·the cl·h·1nqecl in vo:iXI MS Vr:RGF: ( T ni.~ltd·i . b l :c1) c hi:l.nge. MR. WFL.LS: Oh , T S~'!f~. Thank you. M!3 VfRGE : Ml". Spc~~aker· . MR. SPEAKER : Tf ~he hon . minister spedks now, she will close the debate.

The hon. the Mjnister of Justice . MS VERGE: M r· . ~) p e .:1 k E:' r· , p Eo! r· h d p s ·r: s h o u l. d h a v E' mentioned in my initial remarks 1-.hi:lt T ·i.nt: E:!nd l··.n pr·opose I~IAIO aJTIE!ndment s to thE! bi1.1 ·in Cornrni '1-:l .. _r,~t '! ~; l".r:tgl'!. T undt"!r ·s t.r)nrl Lhe LaiAl Cler·k had g~i VE!I'l a copy of Uw propoSE'!d .:~m' '!rtdlrH'>nl ::s l::o thH Oppos:it:ion. One of LhE• changes j ~; 1. h t' !) n 1.'! I . i 11'! h

I) I 1 . I • (o! d d (! ,., u r l. h <:' Oppos:i t:,j on just nlent.:.LonE'!d. I L :is i:l chdngr-:• i:o cli:lll!)l·:· '1·, Sllbcldu~;f:• ( 1.) S lJ b S l:. j t. U t ·_j 1'1 g 1 ::if I f 0 I" 1 1 1 n 1 r-) ~,~ !; 1 • 1 .. h n o ·1·. i 1 ,,, r·· u n C'! ·i ~' • 't n t'l. n 1 E:! n d m c-• r 1 t +. o ~-; ll b c J a u s E' ( 2 ) r,,·l ·i rn:i.ndi: ·i r19 1.111'. ! IAI!il'l. l 1 i:h::! 1 i.n I hcc. ·Hd r' d 1 :i n C'> • T h e. c h a n g e s , 1 t hi n k , bHcurnt-:! mor·t· c'lt '!dt ' ,~filt o!l'l l:l:t:' wr·iL! -un v ~! I" s :i o n :i ~; r· t'! a d . Ml".

Spc,~dker·, l rnoVE! sE:!concl r'l''ctcling of 1·:. h -i. ~; b i l. l , 11 rlll (l c L: 1:\ n ~:; pH c l:. i n q Con1pan:i E>. s Val :ida Lion . 11 On rnotton, a bi1J, 11 An Ac:L :~r:~spr-~cl -... i.ng Comp<.Hd .es Vdl..i .cid l·:."i.on, 11 read a second t:ime, ordered t''C!F'c:'!t'r'E'!d t:

c) d COlilrrt:l.t:i:E!U uf l:hp Whole House presently by lea ve . ( fl1 .l.l No . IJ.:

J) Mi~. SIMi'-1~1: . Ol"cler' 23, B::i.lJ no. tf.?. MoL:ion, second l"t:!dd:.ing or a b:iJJ, II An (),-1 fn I(C:! iii CllJ r-! () nurtli-11 i I' ·:; A ncl No 71 ( M 0 I'' n j 11 g ) ~~~ /l i li !

r r r· 0 r· s [ n T l·w s 1:: d t: l.l I~ p I_ r3.1AJ . II No. 4'7) (Ri .ll. M~> V E [{GF: Mr·. Sp~ :!aker·. MR. SPEAI<ER: The h on'· 1: h r~1 M ·i. rl"i s 1:: e r· o f Jus t .i. c e . MS VERGE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Th:is :is our· usui:.ll, <HlCP-i:l .... S~!ssion bi .l.l. 1: o r· l~ 1110 tJt~ iHWlna 1.-i . E:1 !> i:l n d ~.TI"Ot·s in the Statute Law. Th:i.s p •:tr· I· ... i, c ul. .:1 r· b ·i. 1.1. ~' l:' 1. :; 01 .1 I· s e tJ t! r·"' l. c o r· r· E~ c t. :i. o n s to o u I" S t i:l t u t E~ L cl.l~' I1Jh i. ( h I.IJ!:11'!::1 T't'! COIIlllletlciE!d by 1.. E:1 g :i ~; J a Li u E! c o u n s <~1 1 , lAJ h o C 0 i'l !) 1: d 1'1 i: l. y r' r:! l.J' i (~1M

C) II t' J P g :i :; J i-l t j 0 1'1 . J I' I r:> U .. i. ·{·· d b ] y , cJ E• S p :i l .. E~ 1:he Ci·li''l:! · Lhi:ll·. i.~; Ldkt:!n by l:he dl'.'i'tft:;pE:!OpJ E:'- iHid by fllE!fllb<~'I"S d E:1 b i.l I·. i. n q 1 1-:! g .i :; ·1 i:l L oi. on , lypogr·aphJ.ci:~J PI'Tor·s appei:l.r', gaps .:tr·e found and i.t ·i.s nE'!Ct:!:>sdr'

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r) bl" ·i ng j n thE:!Se kinds of technicaJ c 0 t' r e c :-: . i. 0 n s 1·:

f) r· t'! nJ 0 u f:' e r r·· 0 r' s r::t n d anomal::i c,1s. I do not lh:ink rnor·c:! no1~J. IF have qUE:!:>t:ions dl'fll''l'ldlrl(!!'d·.s; 1:.1·1(!!'1 allSIAJE:•l" thern lAJI'IE!I1 MR. WFI.LS: M r· . ~> p f:' d k t:' r· . I n e E! d to :; a y cHl y lrll"!rnbi'!T's oppos j t·.f:! about particu]ar I IAJ i 11. d l:: 1: c 1 n p 1-. 1". o I clUE' up later·.

MR , ~)Pf:AKr:R (Cr'Hf'!ITi ng) : Tl1f" ho1 ·1. -t .. hP I <:'cAder · of Lhe Oppns "i l:..i.on. r~ :~ . 111JF 1.1 . s : Mr·. ~PE~akf~t", t he1··e ar·e c~ coup]~~ of l:h i.nq:; l:iJ;'!I- r 1))1)111 cl l i kl:! r~ur· Lil<) rn:.i lt:.i .~; Lr~, .. h1 Pxpl <;d.rt. ..1 hE'!I''E:~ :.i.s 1·1ot ll'lll(h p; .. ·i.ilci .pll:! i:o clH!:li'll·.u in Ll ·ri·; b:jlJ or1 s~~cond l"Pdcl:ing. The• 1Wi n ·i s l r;!t' l·k1~> t·:!xp1 d'i nHcl -j 1::,; pllr'j:llhf:! .. i ~; t o c cH 'I" E! c 'I' a n o rna J · .. i r:! :; an d L h n :; e l:.h ing~:: T suppo~;t! r:r"-'tr'l be! cln,''tl !·.

J~ii l:h : :·! : [ ~-,) I· r-t ~1. ~ ~; !'I r:: ~-l ! fl I'T! ·.[ ! \ ·:: 1 (\ b t j (. 'T I . IJ. l,lJ . ?. Jul.y il, l9ilil Vnl.XI s h o u l. d a l. E~ r· t 1:. h 1,~ rn 'i. n :i. s 1·.: <:! r· 1: o "1:: h ~~ m now. 0 n :;! is C l i!\ u ~; H 6 of I. h i. s b·i.J.1 : · What is ·l:l'w real signJf:icanCE! oF 1':. h a 1.: ? 1111 h a t. i. s 1·.: h e p u r· p o s <:1 ? T h e municipaliUes, the City of Corner Sr·ook "i.nc1ud(:!d, hav~~ bE!(~n collectjng interest for many y E:!iH':;. Hoi~J does Hli. s changE! t. hr:' current situation? What is the r· I'! i:"ll. p u t' p o :; t:~ o f 1·: h i. s c h i.-1 n g e ?

A n d thc-lt applies 'lo the changE~S in t:hE• o 1·. h e:~ i" p r· 1 )

l) i. :; ·i. o n :; f o r· ·r h e Mun:lcipalitJes Act and The City of ~:> I· ·. .J o h n 1 :; r1 <: t . Th1,~ nt,!x·l·. on!-'! ·i.~; Cl. <:,ll~;~:~ l4-. l h":'ue a 9l"eat i'.!UEH'SJ on to fllC\Id ng iHIY J alkJ i' F.! l: i'' Oi :' C 1: ·j_ IH~ l:H:' C i:H I :; C! p:) 0 p l 1:' i.'l ( 1·.

I) rl I L l . l I t I J . · ~~~'! i::A s s LHIIP .. J CHI ·:.'led. -. 'lE:! ... at.•J :u; as i. i: ·j :; :; L i:l h·:• cl . I{.] h I•Hl y!) II rlli'll< 1:) i:l 1 dl,ll I"WI:r·oaC'I:.:iuc~1, you change r· e! t r· o <:t c H . tJ e::~ 1. y I' i. g h 1'. ~; , p o s :i. l.: .. L n n .,_; and t·_hE! obJ :lgi:lt:.i.ons of pE!Opl e. ~~hi., 1'. .i. !; I Jw con s e q tH! n c c:! o f rn d k. i. n g th:ls r·etr·oacttue par·tj cuJar·ly IAJh<:•n y 01 1 d r' (~ t-. ,;, l k ·i. n g a b o 1 1 !~ a r· ·t g h i·: of appeal? When you make this r'E'! l·:r'odc l:·i.t.JC:', :i.s ·l·:ild 1:.

"L11 f·o nc:IE'!cl 1-n g j v E! a r i g h t of a p p E! a] ·t. o p E! o p 1 e r: 0 r· i:l ~; p (! c -L F t ~~ d n u rn b I''! r·

I) r cl d y s following the imp]ementation of I· h e b ·i. l1 or· h CliAJ ·i ~~ l:: h d 1: b P ·L n <3 handled? Exactly what is Lhe pur· p o s ~-'> oF mr:·l k i_ n g 1:. h ·i ~; r· !::~ ·1-. r· o d c I· L v e and what are the potential. C 0 n S U q II f'! n C c:! S 0 r~ Hld k -:i. n lj .L t l"et·roactiVE!? As T say, that is thE' sc.Jrl:. of cl 1:! t i.'t i 1 T h <:'1 tJ 1:! T h H r· f! i ~:: n o principle inuolvPd in this b:iJl, n : IH:! i" :. h i'l i 1 co r-r- (! c I: i. n g s ·1-. d 1-:t 1 I" or· y d 1'1 CHIIetl i ~:! s .

I j us t lAkt n t '1: o I" r.~ ::i. ~; e i:l1o :;c! ..:jiiH: ; l· i OilS. 'Tht ·:! !ll:i .it·i ~; l.::!r' HldY o l" r11 d y n o t bE:! a h J f:> I~ c' iHl s 1..11 f:• t" t-.l'w m nt:IIIJ . lf nul'., 1'!-11·:!,1 1~1h: :!l l 1,1e gc: •L 1-.o c o mrn j L L u c-· s 1:. age , :; l 1 f~ may . MS Vlf~GF : r~ i' . ~:) p H i:'t k ~' I" . i\.1 n . 7 I ( 1\Ji u r· n ·i I' 1

q) I~ IJ. I. 4- ~?

MR. SPrni<FR: ls UH~ ~:he !1.Li 1 J h on . 111 oi. n ·L ~' t: l'' r· . s fl+:' .:-1 k ~> J'lt)l~j cJ ose the debr .. d e . Th1 ;! hun. i·.he i·1·ii·JJsl:ur· of .TII:; ·L·i.c<:! . r-1~> lJFRCt::: M I" . ~~ p ~~ c~ k e I" , t-. h e p r· o p o s E:~ d a 111~~ n clllll'!I'Jl: :; 1-o 1-. h l'! 1111 tn i. ci. p<:ll."i . 1: ·i. !'.! :; J~ ·!g:i!;Jation, t:hE:~ c:itiE:1S acl:s and r h l'! rJt u n :i. c i. p <.~ 1. i. 1: i. 1:1 :; (.) c 1·. s ·i. m p ly COI'lfji"HI the c.tbJ]ity of JOU n i. c i. p <:1 1 'i t: i c,~ :; 1-. o char· 91,~ i. n I: I'J r· (:~ s t on cH'r<,~ar·s of taxes.

In fact, 111 u n i. c i. p c\ 1 i. 1:: ·i. t~ s h d v e ~w <cHl d u "i. n g th:is, but J under·sLand that a recent decision of a Pruvinc"i.dl Court cast some doubt upon this cl n d L I~ U.Jd s F ~:! l. t pI" u den I~ to c l cH' if y :it :i.n thE! 1.eg:islat:jon. So it s i.mply c::onf i.1"1ns pas 1-. pr·ctc+-.-i.ce. Clctuse 1'1-, J'ud:i cCJ.turE:! p r·· o v i s i. o n Act I;.Jh:icll +. h f~ a r11 r->. n d rn f~ n 1·: 1-. o 1-. h <'! Ae;t, reaJJy cJadfies a of · t. h 1:' n e1~1 J u d ·i, c e1 I~ u r·

E) most of us tool< for · gr'i'Hlh~cl or• d:)Sl.lliH'!d . U. Sc:\IJS d d~H ;:i !don of OUI" Cour·t of App~1CJ.J on ~~ i"(,~rur·r.:!nce Hk1Y bt-:' ... lppl·)i~l ::!1 .1 l:o i·_h(! ~iUpl"f::'liJE:~ CotH' l of C<:Hii-..ldr.l. Thcd : p r' o

t) i ::; i on I•J<·1 :; i 1'1 i~ d u 1" , .. I 1·:! i"l I ·1 y on l.i t t e d f I" om t l1 t·~ n t:! tAl J u cl :i. c d t u I" E'! ()1 :1 .. r:: IAld' )~ -nol : p·it :kc:!d liP llni ·il. 1-~11 r.:-1 'l <-~rnpt l<li-1 ~; rlladE '! t·o ctPP E'c.tl a Cl )IJt·l ur ()pp t:! i·l "l. tlt !t: i ~;·i un C:>i l i1 1" 0!fPt·cn<:E ·!. ~)(l lhPI"E·! j<; tiO .·inh H II: ·i.on l.o d< '!j:l,H 'i: Jt'Oi'll l.ilH pol:ic:y wh:.ich hi:!d hE'!E:!n ::in-1-~~ndE:~d b<:d~<H 't,'. rn fi:\cl, c i·:h ·ink mnsl·. lclwyel"s would b<~! sur·p1"j.sE:•d l::o find U1H pr·esonl.

Ji.l<:l'i.c:i :li':Ur'H Acl: r ... d.lnd 1-o mdkE :! pJ a:i n l::hd t a dE:!C:i .s::i on of o u r· Co u r· I: o f A p p (! d l. o n ,:-, r· C.:! f <'! r· <:! n 1; H rnay be i'..lppeaJed l::o the Supreme COIJr'r . uF Carlt:'1dd, subjE'! C t., of cour ·se, to leau E>. b eL~ !n given by the ~-) Ll FH' (,' Ill('! c () l.IJ'' t () f c iH1 d d 11 . W 'i,l::h 1-:ho~;H COrrliiiC:Onl".: ~;, J\1r' . ~'lpedk::! r', I fiJOUl~! sE~cond rE!cHJj ng. MR . WF LI, .~) : 1·!r''·'! ;I ! ! I I' ·11 in: ( ! ;:1, •.. !:_I [I I'' ~11 ! : ~ :, I l! . .I .!! 3 Ju]y n, 19ilil UolXI question? MS VFRGF: YC.:! ~, I MR.

SPF.AI<ER: ·rhn hon. l·.hn I e i:\ cl t! r· of 1": hE:! Oppos:it.:i on. MR. Wr.l LS: p l'! t' h i:\ p :; :; h e C

I) I I J. cl :intention then is l·.1::1ll Lo rn t~ I -.l-1 .::~ 1... 1:: I·H~! a 11 ot;.J that e1 p p E>. r:·l 1 "i. n r· t~! s p o c 1:. question was raised ( h <:'1 v ~>. n o q u c\ I" r· t~ J. , only effect of t.hE! p t' o v ·i. s i. on . MS VERGE: Oh, yes . of IAJh'i.ch a lo go ahead. thc\1:. -i.s l:.he rE:'troactivP On motion, a biJJ, "An Act To ~~ e mo v t'! () n u Jfli :1 '1. i. f'! s And F tor-or ·~; L n r he Statute LatAI 11 , read a sE•cond UmE!, o t•d r,~ r u d (' H F (! r't '<:!d 1: o a C on1rni 1:. 1-. E'! r:! oF the Whole Hou se present1.y by l.c'!<~lJr~. ( Hi.Jl. 1\Jo. 11.7).

M R . ~3 UJ!r-1S : CkdE!r' 29, R::i J.J No. 1)8 . Mo"\.:i(ll'l, sHcond r·E:'ading of a bl]J ., ":1n ()r:l: ro :1m~ :!n cl l"hn Cor ·pur ·;1.i·.io w ; Act.'' (R:l1.l No . . S8) MS Vff~CF : ~1 r· . ~:) p l'! c:\ k H r· . Mr~. ~:lPE()KF.i~: ThE.~ hon. thE! r~:inl stE•r· of Jus-L.icE :!. MS Vf.I~GE: r~1r' ' !3 p e c:\ k (! r· I il i. .. , l. 1\J 0 ' 5 B 'i. s A n A c I: To Amend ThE! Corpor·ati.ons Act. Mt ·. :-)pl c'dkl~r·, ,,,~~ T just;. nl e nl: .·i.onc '•d, the nE!I;.J Corporat 'i.ons Act carne jnt:o f u r· c e o n J d n u d r· y I. , I. 9 a 7 . r h c:!

A c t. requires companies jncorporated u nd u r·· I": IH'! o ·1 cl Cui'llpd rY iJ! ~; A l: i:. FH' ·.i. or to that to apply to the Regl .strr.tr · uf Cornp..trl"iH:> For· a Cr:•r·+ · ... i.F·ical .. e oF Continuance within two yecirs of :- ::,: • 1'1 !'111 'I( I ('r' ~lrl i.nq i n·i·n r:· (l )" f' l'' 1\J (I 7 1 (Mor"ni r·1~1) F\ll -1 4 3 ..

The pur· fH) s t:! of t: h i'll". i. ~; 1-: o n1r:~ k !::! p J t-.d n U.J h J c h c o rn p Cl n i E~ s n o L~J o n l: h e book::; of i·JH:! f~Hg·i.s lTy oF Compdn i.Hs ar'E:! ::i.nd~:!ed actiur:~. functioning c u '11 p d n i (! s d n d 1: o ;·· f'! q u j_ I' P t h o s e compctnies l-.o confil"rn that status a n d -i. n t: '~ n t i o n o n t h e i I' p c\ r· t_ , b u t_ to provide automatically for the rn <:\ r1 y C 0111 p cll'l"l _ (~ S 1:1'1 d -1: t~ X i. S t. i. n n dIllE:~ only on ·the books of the r·eg:istry ctnd IAJhich hc:'lVC"! long cr:~c:ISE~cl t.n be ctctive or used, to be dissolved. Mr·.

Spe:1ai<E:!r, l..r.JhC:Hl a cor·porati.on j s cl i. :> s o 1tJ I'! d 1-. h l:! p r· o p co?.

I' i'. y o F l: he co I" poI" cl t ::i on J s t. r· e1 nsf c,1 r ,.. e d by J aiAJ i~ o t h H c ,. o1~m . r"l r· . :-3 p u i.'l kt'! ,. • so r ;,u .. :i.n the~ tr·ans::i.t:ion fr·orn the old act l·:o Ul(! l'li ·'!IAJ i:lC 1-. i~ ~dgn ·i. r·i Ci .-11' 11.: n l.lfll b ~~ l" of co ru pan i co?. s on ·H1 ('! book s of l:hr·) r'<)lj ·i.s l:r·y hi'liH) no1: i'lppl .-i (!d ·1 0 l:w (: 0 1'1 J :i 1'1 Ll E" d a 1'1 d lH I J (! ~; ~; -t h (;'I" E~ ·i_c; i·l•; fl.c:oci o/~ i·lpp -l :i.Ci:li:·ioi l~; fot· c o r d: :.i. r' u d n c c -:.i n l-:11 E! s j_ x fll o n '1: h s t'l'!lil<-l'i .n ·i.ng IAdJh 'i.n l:h1-:! l·_IAJO Yf:!i:\1' i:·i.lll!·~ fn:Hfl~~ for· ctpply j_ ng for· t:unl·. ·i.nl.li:Hlt:l:!, Uit-:!rl i.lc:!g i nn:i ng ne:d·.

Ji :ll'IUi'\l"Y Uw Pl"Opr::H·ty of rnany CUHip .. HJ 'ic•s w ·i_"l.l tH!Si': i.n t.he Cr·o1..r.m. It\/ h P n 1: h a 1·: h d p p (' n s n CJIAJ d n d c:l conq:JcHIY appJ·.iE!S 1ater· to be r· t:! L n s 1: a 1·: ~'! d , i-t. J s n C'! cPs s d r· y F o I' thE'! Crou.m t.-

c) u--ans fer formally t i. 1·-.1 e :~. o t h u f o r· rn C'! I" p r· o p f:! r· 1-: y o f~ the company back l:o the company, b u t: 1"1 r.· . ::3 p {:;1 c.·1 k E:! r' , j_ 1. 'i. ~:; f E" l. 1-. 1·: h <'\ 1-. for purpo se s of the transition 1~ h e r· e s h o u l d be s p ,->. c i. a 1. p r· o u J s ·i_ o n 'l. o p I" o u i d e t-h d ·t- f o r· i'.l y E:~ a I" fol.l OIJJ 'i.ng JdnUi:\r'Y 1 of nr'!xi- . yo c·\ 1', IAJhE:!r'IO~ pi"OFJE:!I"I-y Ve!Sts :in the'!

Cl"OlAJI'l bocdUSl:! or:· Fc:l 'i.O'I.IIt'rc! uF d cunq:.li.HlY l:o app1y for· · con-!: :i nucHiCC->., but IJJhc-:!r·e 1:: hc:t ·1·. c Olllpc:l n y 1. t'll .t:! I' ~~~ ·i. 1: h in 1: h lo' n 1:' x 1: y C! i'-1 1· · , b r,• f o I" ~' J <:oJ. n u i'-11' • y :1 o f :1 9 9 0 , I:JC:!COillC!~; I'HO:tci:itJi'lll;!cl, ·iJ- I•J:il-1 ;·,o~ . bE'! rw c e ~; ~; i!ll" y for· !.r'i:Hl:; F!·:!i'' r·ur'Tili1.1l y '1. hE -!

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So, Mln. d C'! s ·i. g n c:• d Speakc~H·, this amE!ndme:'nl: ·j s for· I . . t i . e1 c rrn. n 1. s ·. r a -~ .. 1 ~) f-:• conveniE!nce and for· l~he conuen.i.E~ncr-~ of colnpdn'i.E!S iilnd shareholders in the Province who d r· ~~ ad a p I: ~i. n g I~ o 1·: h ('! r· I::! q u t r· E~ rn E! n 1:: s of The New Corporations Act . If you Jike, it: g·ives everyonE! a y e"' r· ' s 1-u r· t h l:! r· g r· r.1 c f:' ~; o 1:: h r-:! r (,1 lMi. l J. still b~ pressure on companies t' H q I I j_ t' P d 1·. 0 d p p l. y 1-.

U C I) 1'1 t: :i 1'1 Ll <". 1: 0 g ~' t o n to~ri t h j t b u t , ::i f t hE! y h e1 v e nol·. c:IIHH) l:h;_q1·. by Hw sl<c:H'l ·: oF nr::•xl·: yc-1ar, thf=1Y t.u:j 11 have d. fur·thE!In YF:!i:\1" IAJ:i.1 ·:h·i .n I~Jhi.ch 1·.hr'!Y t•J:i.ll. hi'tl.JI:" to t~ke a d:.ifferent: act:.ion to b (! C !) f1l H r• I'! d C J-. 'i. U i-1 (: !•) ci , Ll11l : 11pnn do -Lng '1-.:ha l., . t he: :i.l" f or·ruel" p I" 0 p E~ l" -1:: y I lAJ h ::i c h t;.JI) I tl_d IAIOU l cJ h ;'fl J 1·:! t.J f):; h:! cl i n I'. I'!' !

C I'Ol .~JI'l , I"PVC'!I"l l.:c1 -1 hOSE• COlTlpdn::i e~; i:\1 ti:OIIId l·_·i_ call 'j . r·~r ·. ;.)p!'!dkl'!t', clt .lr··i.ny Cnrnnr·it.l:'.ee s t a g E:• I lAd] 1 p r· o p o s e d f Uln 1: h e r· c'Hil!::• n clllll'! n l: 1-: o 1.: h i. :; b i_ "1.1. . I ·H'i.i . 11 k '-" copy of !~.hE! ful"the:'r pr·oposal has beH n g·i.ven l~o b<)Lh pe~r·t:ies o p p o s :L t E! . T h e p r· o p o ~; a 1 s Cl y s uJ h e I" e 1:: h (:! p r· 0 p e r· ·1·. y () r: r:·'t b 0 d \j c

I) r· p 0 r· c:'l !-:. ,.,. vests in Her MajE!sty, Her· McljE! S'l .y ·i ~; n o 1:- l i o b l. l'! -i. n 1':. o r· 1--. h y r·· C'! d ~:; o n onJ.y of the pi"Operl ·:y be:i.ng so v ('! ~; 1·: H d . Fl u L·. I 0 r=- c 0 l.l r· s e ' ·i F 1. h (" C r· o u.1 n h a s t-: a k E! n p o s s E:! s s .i o n o F l h E! pr·oper-·1-.y, t·:l·it:!n l::h<:• Cr·cn~JI'I IW)111d becorne 1iab1E• j n tor+:. That :ls a1.1 I i'l \·. I: h · i. ~; •; 1-. i:'llj u , l:h:i.s b:ilJ. Ml~. WFLLS : ;\.1f' . ;.) i-l (! ;:1 !U! t' . i-·1 J'( • :'> P ::: rt i< F :\ : ThP hun. ·l!il'> 0 p p u ~; i. I: i o 11 . r"l r~ . '"11': I ...

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Mr·. Sped k EH', r do no+:. have rnuch approach d coupl( ,~ r·J g ht. q lJ iHT C-:! l wj +11 L he b a s l c t:! x c e p L [ I~ h ·i. n k L hI!.! r· l~ .:~·r· e of t h l n g s i n p r· i n ci p J.e not ~:-; u b c J a l.l s E~ ( 2 ) of t.lt e p r· o p o s E-~ d n E:! IAJ 3 ~; 3 . 1. 1~10 Ill. cl pI' 0 lJ i d c;!

U1 i:'l ·L 11 H c;! i" Mi:~jC:!~;'l.y rni:-AY pay l.o t.hE:! body cor'POI'dh) 01.11: or Uw COn!;ol.·i .di:li'.C'!rl RPVE·!l'IUP F"und i'HI i'HTIOlHJt E:!qual to 111onc-)y ... 11 In IJJc-:! ci r·cum!; 1:.:-tncn!; ou·IJ:.il'IE·!d :in 3~3.1, subclause (1), wh(;!l'e i:'l ccn·pcH'i:'lL ·i.on ·is r'c'J·i.n!;·l:i:lh)ci, T. do not thjni< thr.!t that shouJd bE:! P~H'IIl'i.S~5'i.Vt!, r l.hi.nk ·i.l: :;houl .d be ntdndi'.!tor·y. WhE:!r'e t hE:'r·c,~ is i':l l" E~ i. n $ '1-. a i·: (:! Ill C·:! n i·: IAJ"i. I~ h :i. n I: h ('! p e r J () d

C) r tirne stated and Her Majesty has c Olfl(:! t·hc,!tl i. n to ·1-her·e posse:=!:.;s·l.on oF rnoney, should be a rnc-1ndatory r·pqtJ-ir'E:'lnenl': to pdy i.l·: becaus~:! ·it: Js not rnoney Her Majesty would h d v e <;! "' r· 1 H:• d -'H' b e c o Ill e r:>. n 1·. -i I~ l E:! cl 1:. o by · rea s o n o f_ L he ope r· i:i t ion s o f a taxation stcd~ul:<,'. II~ is fii<Hlt~y 1.1.1h:i ch ctccidenta] ly feJ 1 into Her Majesty's hctnds. IL rectlly bc::1J ongs to sornEd::>Ody elSE!.

In 1-.h::! c·i.l·'r:I.IIIISI:"..:·lncr::!:;, tAJher'r,! i.:hc:! goVE:!I''l'IIW:!nt· ·.:is go:ing to aJ]ot~l a c~:!r·i".:i .l-ir:di'f! or-:- Cuni .il'llldl'lC>! l:u !,)c·) . i :0 S lJ P cJ 0 1'1 i'·I.Jl i:'l p p] j C d l j () rJ , 1":. h (HI i·.hc:!l'l:~ s hotll cl bf! •·ln ubl. ·i gi:l i:·i. on io r·ppay dli'J 1no11ey d~; lAic,•l J c1~; I"E-•~; LOI"E ·! o'll'l 'j 1; ~H ' p <H' i.'l i: (! fli''

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Hel" Majf:!SI ... y h d :; d j S p 0 S E:' d 0 f p I" 0 p E• l" \: y l.: h d t IAIO ul d 0 1-JH:• F'IAJ i. !:; (! d-1.1 i': 0 llld 1:'. "i C d l. l. 'j g 0 be1ck to t:hE! cornp<::tny jn thE! E!VE!nt of the issu1ng oF d Certificate of ( n n t j n u rll'l r e , f o 1 "1. C11AJi n ~J i'l n L 11. L 11· S J !

I L 'j ll , !. ') il g r.;,,-1 ;( 1 ;,1 p plica 1·: -i. on llli:'l cl e p t' :i. or· to J r:t n u a r· y ], 1990, if Her MajE!sty has d :i. s p o s' c~ d o F p r· opt! r· i: y and g d "i. ned cash from it, then that cash :;hu11ld he;! pr:t·icJ i:Hld l:ht,• L~Jor·cl 1 1ll• :'t')' shouJd bE~ changc::!d to 'shaJ1' It ~; h

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C) t' y iJl i:'l L t h fo! n '" 1-. F>r'OCE:!E:!ds aft·c,!l" thE:. cost of !;dle !;hottld bH pi:'l ·id i·.o !"Ill'' c:olnp.·:tny IAJh:i ch pr·op~~r·J y owns j I.. Ther'E! Js no r· c·) i.~ !; n n For· L h i.·l 1·. d "i. ~; 1'. :i. n c: t :i. n n . The o:lnJencllnc-:!nl·. l:he rn'i.n'i.s I·:Ht' :i.ndJcatPd she wou]d be,, making is, T <:1 g t' c,1 c·) , i.~ 11 d p p r· o p r· ·i. ,::l t. e o n P . There shouJd be no liability ·i.mpo!;f~d on HrH' Mdj es l:y by r·er:H;on of the p1noperty having vest.<,~d, but:. i. r H (:! r· M i:l j E! s t: y cl C)(·:·$ s

C) lllCo! t h i. 1'1 g improper with it, weJ.l, thPn {:hat l. i a b ·i l. :i. 1·: y '"'·i l.l r· e lfla i. n and I: h r~ provision provides for that. Apart frorn Lhose cornrnE•nl:s, 1'~1~ . S p (:! d k t:! r· , I 1~10 u l. d s up p or' t 1'. h C-?. b .i. 11 . MS VERC:::: 1\11" . S p E• i:l. i<l'! I'· . MR. Tf ~; h (·:! Sf'EAI<Ff~: thE:. hon. t~l'i '1. -, clos cc. rnJ nJ.!>t.E•I" spc:•dk!; l'lOIAJ l:hc-~ dehc'll r'' . The:! hun. l:llH f·Hn.i .!;IJ'i" of .TII!;l·icr:!, f·1!"-J \JF r~c::: : M1··. SpE'!i:-lkUI", J IAJou]d ]·ike l..o li;tk(:• L h ,,, •; II q g (,) !) l: i () n ~; 0 r i 11::. I. c'! i.'l cl ::! i"

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h) lfl e , bUt J IAJO U} d j Ll S l: l j k ('' t 0 C hE:! C k IAJ'i.l·:h l:hl:! Reg·i.st:r···'tr' uF CUIIIpdrl.L(:'S and latAIYE!Ins :i.n UH'! cJppar "l:lliE•nL IAJho dr'i'tfl "lo!d Lh·.i!; in Ci't~>l:o! Lhc-:·r ·r~ i.s c\ r· e i:l s 0 n r Cll" h a vi n q I Jni'l y I j n ~:; 1·: E! d cl 0 F r\1,) . '7 1 (~11JI' 'I'Iii'lt ~ ) ~~ /~ : :.l ~)

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l) lfll-~ thE! 11\(,~. On i:fw ·>ur ·r; _.,t::l·). IAJili:'t 1-. I l':1cAdE~r· of ·tl·1c,, Oppos::i.tJon lll•'t k (! ~; ~; t:! n ~; t:! l:u 1111 '!. l ~~J'i.l.l. b r.t c k ·L. o j t ::i n Co rn1T1:i t t C-:' e of h~hol.e s1:.:~ge . :3 () I..LJ"i. t h SpeakN ·, I l::hi.s bi.l.l., Co r· p o r· a t i. o n s tho se comments, Mr. rnoUE! second r·eadtng of An (le t To Am~~nd The Act. On mot:ion, 01 b'il.l, 11

An Act To A m <'' n d T h E'! Co I" p <H' d +: :i. o n s A c 1·: , 11 r· •~ i'1 d a s e c q n d U . mE! , o r· de red ref e r red to a Co~rurr:i.Lh ;!(:O! of l.:hf'! Whole Houst::1 pr·esent.ly by J ei:lue. (B ill No . 58) . MR . SIMMS : 0 nl I'! r· 1 1. , 11 i. ll. No . 0 ?. . Mot:·:ion, sPcond r'E!adj .n~~ of cl II () i'l () ( I: -- R l'! ~'fllo' c I: . i n g F~;"t-i~.b1J~;hrn<~nl~ Of ~)E-!I"vJc<~s (} i. C: 1-. ·j. nl !) () r C j' i. nJ t! II , ( i 3 i_ 1. l. l\J () . M~ tJFRc:~ : M I" . S F' E:! a k 0. r· .

Mr~. ~~PF::AI<F :r~ : b:i J J I T l1c-:• F ()I" (j ?. ) . nw hOI 'l' i:hu M i wi :;'i".Ht' oF J l.l ~, ·1: ·i. c: ~:! . M~ VF~~r;F : Mr·. SpPdkE:!I", I pl.l·''dSE'!d l·.o b<'! t.h :is bl.JJ. arn v<:•r·y dbl H 1 ... 0 pr·oucl <-lncl inl· :roduce SOMF HON . MEMBERS : 1-1 e i:,, r' , h (,1 d r' ! MS VERGF: ---·--I b r"1 l. "i. (! t; H -i. 1:: i.s OnH oF l".ht:! mo~:;l: ~dgnif:i c01nt Jeg:.isJ.ative i. n i. l: i <'~ 1-i. v e s d u r· :i n g t. h :i s of ot ,lr' govet'f'llll(;!l'll". SE:!ss:iot ·t oF t·.:hE~ Hou~>E:~ ol- () s S(!illbl '). [l : i:; dn nc:·. R (·~ ~; p"' c 1". :i n g ·r 1·1 E:! FslabJ:i~;hnwnl.

Of ~)lo!r·t; i I 1'!~:; ::·or· \)i .e: i Ill!; or Cr· i lllf) 1·~ r· . ~:3 flio' 0'1 k HI" , p II .i l 0 ~· () p hy CHI 9 <.l \) I" I" rl Ill C! rl i : I· h i ·1 ·l j !· r\ r-:~ r-:-1. (~~ t: I ~; "' \": h<-' pitr·l of our· wic:l :irw; or 1: r' i rn I'! ~; ~ l!i:li~ L] 1·'~: 1 1·;·,··r.: 1 ' 1 ('1 ." ''J' 'iii' .JH~~:-: ·i c)!'l:·:! l (-~··1 'l I. !J I ij.(i .J't1l y !l, I'IBil V 11 i/( I. etnd g:iuc,~n li:~UE:11"Y i'.IS S iSti'lrlCE! to o t; C.:! ;· c 1) lfl! ·) 1·. h n :i n j 1 r r· y or · 1 o ~; s s u f f E:'r' E!C:l Cl s Cl r Cc! s u 1 t of c r·l n r e . M l" .

Speakl ~r·, OUI" cr ·:l.rninal ju st 'icE! sysi· .Hrn has (~!Vol.vr:!cl nvHr" the centur'ies, beginning in England , And l::r ·~:·\dt+: -L oni:111y hd s boen or·ien ·ted around the r:ights and :i. n 1~. E:! r· ~~ s 1-: s o f a c c u s H d c1 n d c o n v i c t. r:• d peopJ.e. For the most part the i.n b H'e s l~ of v·i.ct:· i.ms ~~H>.re not h:.ighltghted in the offi ci.a1 p t' o c f.! 1;! dings . V "i. c t ·i.tn s havr~ bl:'!<~n mere witnesses.

V:.i c t.i ms. con:;equun Lly, b E:11AJi J de red , often frustrat ed, r::- "' c;o l. and unfor·l :unHl ".lo1ly r.<tnd Sddl.y, ·i.n s o1n(~ c Cl. s l=! s , feE! 1 f u 1·· the r v 'i ct. t m:-i z E~ d by i:h~ :! n ··i.rwi.n i.d. jll :>1:· i.ct:! pr·o cE!SS. I n r· C-:' c E:! n 'l: y E:!

Cl r· s J. n ·t-h 0.' WE :' s t 0.1 r· n lr\1 o i" l d d n d · i n n 1 1 r· P 1'' o tJ ·i. r 1 c ,,, , v o 1 u n t i'.ll'' y g l" o u p ~; h a v E:' d e lJ E:!] o p '~ cl l. o drltJOCi :1i :l'~ ror· tJ 'i.l;l:i .rw;. t,JOif\l·)i'l h ;:~lJP hf!E:!n j n l..l·1e fOI''Pfi"On'l. of advocacy l-or· \.J'iC'i:·i .Hh r: ~)1.ipp0!)1: 1 I:JI'!CdUSfo1 IAJOITIE~n rH'E:! among HrE! ffiOSl: i,r• i:1l f l'lfi .1 i·. ·i. /. f! cl b 1J Ci' -j IIH:! , psychu]oglcal danli'l9<'' has r·h<'!'J ~:;dy l: h e Ill o ~:.

L cl H v <:\ s ·i ·. i:l 1". : i_ 1 1 g i. rn p <·1 <:: 1: o 11 d p (·'' , .. '' o 11 , th<-lt rn<:!nl·:dl c-1.ngutsh j~; longel" l. d s I i. 11 g HJ<-Hl p h y s i c i:d. i n j t.lr' y . Women are t.he victims of sexuaJ l I ' J ' f" dSSdll. ·. cr'llllH~> c:~nc c::r' l nlr:,~: ; o · farnily viol.ence IAJh:ich leaVE! that k ·i n d n f psycho log ·i (:.0\ 1. ~' c iH' .i. r19 . Childr'E!l'l also arE! arnong the rnost cl H V d ~; l·. d i-. P d b 'J C r· .i.IW'! .

H :i s t o r· i c a 1.1 y tAl o rn E:' n a n cl c h i ] d r· E' n h r:·\ v <·'! no I: h .:t d t:! q l,l d 'l d c c f:! <;; s i·· o services 'in our· societ.y. WomE'rl i:'tiH:I chi.l.dt·nn hr ·1lJH nnl-. hdd l·:hr:! <;,'·~Jill::' k:incl of !JOI.I.Jer· as m<:!n haVE! in CUI" :=;ocir'!i.'J. Thi:Hikr11ll.y · 1·:1-~o'ri: : .i.e~ bE>ginrl'.ing to chi'HlgP. :~o IAJClfTIE'I.l h;=tlJI'.! bC!HI'l ·i.n i:h c-:! l7 or'(:!fr•ni ·Ji'·. oF se ek:ing ll''g·i~;Jd ·!·· .. itJ( ,! t'L'·:r::.tl"lil su( ·h i:'l~ ; l·.h i ~;;, i'l!'; 1,-1<-:•l ·r i:1~> ·i lriPI"OtH'!f'fll'!l 'l 1:· ; oF p ll b 1 ::i. C ~;Co!

I" V :iCE!~; f 0 I" V :.i C i: :i J'll ~; . ~)n (:-; J'.! p rt k (•' I'' ' I_ h l ~; 1:) :i l 'I ·i .-- · .. ! ( ' I I I i-'! "I 'I '/ i'\J I) ' '7 1 U~UI"i1 i llcj) :·\ /j. :. ,'(() .

just part of an overall program of o u r· g o v l->. r· n rn H n t. d H s ·i. g n P d I~ o as s .i s 1-. victims and hE!]p t·hern become s u r· v i. v o r s . M r· . !3 p ~=!a k l"! r· , I: h ·i. :; rn cd n p r · o v :i s J o n s . b i. J. l. h i:1 ~' In Pctlnt 1: h r· (:! c-:!

I' j t: \~ tliiiiH~ r· i'1 ;-_ ~~ ~; i:l ~; 1·. i:l 1:!,~ lfii·Hl ;-_ 0 f pr·-.ir.c:ipJE~~: t.uh:ich !;ltouJd gover·n t.hE! i:r·c,~i:ll-:inenl: or t)i.c:L ·i.lll!> of cr·:ime by pol :ice, by Cr·oiAirl CJ.ttor·nE!YS, by c: o 11 r· 1·. s l: :.1 f f, by j 1.1 d 9 to! s .-.~ n cl by tliOt '·kEH'S otJt !;:ide the J Pgi'tJ system, for· H x i:1 mp l. c,~ • !) o ci . .-.d. t~Jo ,. k e r· !' i:l nd her-.l] th Ci'.H'E! IAJor·l<ei''S who e~J.J have <.HI i.mpcH'I:iHll. r·(~spon!; ·i,b ·i.l. ·i.l:y In tr·c-1i.d : v·.ict:irn~: cHid Clss ::ist thE~m.

Tlt:is st.r.tl·_E:HIIC:Hit of pln:inc:iplE:1S he1s b(!E'!n aclopi·.<:!d by .~-1. 1. 1 1-:hl:' governments of Cr.tnada.

When the 1 n i. n :i. s 1:. f;! r· s r E~ s p o n s -L b l. l:1 F o r· c r i rn i. n i.'t J. jusl.iCE! ntE!'l~ in Saskatoon in March of l:I·J'i .s yc.~·'lr, l:hJs sb.:lh~lllHnl". of p r i n c i. p J E~ s tAJ a s u n a n i rn o u s ly e ndor·s ed by ,;11.1. l·.:h \:! nd. n·l. s 1-:f :!r' ~; on bE'hClJ.f of t.hE!ir rE•SpE:1CtiUE! gou \H'I'IIIWJ'l 1:-.s. l h H 1:. h r· u s 1:. o f 1·.-.I-JE:! s !·.: d f.t:! rn e n i n 1- pr:i.ncjp]es Js to set goaJs to f'! n ~; u r· t' i .. h i:'l !--. f'! u lo! r· y p n s s 'i. b l. £:!

I'! f' f o r· 1-:. :.is rnade to pr~c:widE-:! sywpr.tthE:'t:i c c-ntd COrllpdss·L<Hli:"tl ·:n l·.r·t~i:\i":lllenl: fcH' u i c-l i I'll~ cnrd 'l.o ':'i'ISUI"E:! thc-ct no ~:~ f tOr" i·. j !; S p i'l r· t;! cl ·j i'l !; H I'! !< i, II y c o nq:> C·! n !; d ·t j o I' I f Cll" v :1. c t J r11 s s o L 1'1 e:d. : lltc!IJ ~~.:tn g(:!1.

OlH!t' 1-.hf! i , .. ·i.nj 11r·y or· .1 (l s ~; ' () ~; {:! !:C:l n c1 pi" 0 wi. s ·i !) n () i ·i h (·) b rl l ' M I" . ;:; !J E·! d k e I'· , :i ~; r: 0 E~ ~; t- i:~ b] i S h r~r ·i.'i. h i n I. he lh!j:> iH' i ·.m r-:! rll. o ,- .I II'> i. i 1: I'! (l f CllH' pI" (l U j 1'1 C P r:~ [) j V ·j S :.i 0 1'1 0 f U i.e I. i.111s oF Ci" .i,rrlf:! :3r:!I'IJ ice~;. f'l:,; ·i de fr ·c>rn th0 JPg.i~;Jc.t ·t:i.vc"' -_in:i+:Jal".:iuPs, Mr ·. :::;p(:!rirkHr', cutrlp-l ·irnl'!l'li.l"y, U1H 9C>VE ·!I''I'Irll(!l'lt I''(:!CE~nl··]y rnade d CI)IIIIWil:.lllf'!id·. :{) ltir ·1·:! wich .lll Cr'll.tr'i ' IAICl r· k PI'' s d n d l.: o h au E! u j c tim co u r· t.

IAJOr'kr:!l"~; Ln Hc:tch of l·:he Tlldjor· cout"l: centPrs of our Province. I 4- I 4-'7 .JtJly 8, 19Bil IJoJXI. .., These uictirn court workers will be f:1tnp l. n y t'! d by UH'! rH:1tAJ U j_ c l:. i. rn s oF Crimes Services Division of the f)( :) p i.'l r· !: m c->. n +: o f J u ~; 1-. .i c l->. . T h f~ r· !.'! IAJ i. l. 1 be cJose co-operatjon and con:;trl.l-.<:ll:i.on t~r·i l.h l".ht·'! f)r:;!pi.'lr·l":rtlenl:. of Socia] SeJ"uices.

The func t.-.i on oF Uw lJ'i. c !: .. i. n1 co u r· 1·. r~Jo r· kt-:! r· :; w-L l.l. be-:! t.o JmplE:'ffiE:~nt the prjncjpJ.E:!S in Ul'i .~; n·iJ.l; 1-.o i:1s:;·isl·. l).it+:i .IIIS rHlcl guJde them through the 1:

c) mp l. t'! x · i. 1: ·i ~~ ~; o f "' o· ·i. rrr i. n .:'ll. l. 1-~ g <:1.1 pl~oceeding; to enstu·c~ 'L~wy ar·~ :· g ·i. tJ !:' n i:U:I 1:' q lli :1 h~ :i. n f tH 'Hli:11: i. on I~ o Clrr'ClngE!, j f appr·opl":ia ·l_E:!, for· J:H~ !) fl l t'! 1.!) i:l C C !) Ill f> i ·1 rJ ':J 1: h H l) :i. C i·. 'i. I (I [-. 0 e Cl c h c o u I" t. Cl p p E! e-n· i::U1 CE:! , of t: C:' n ·1·:. h <od: !dnd oi' ~;llflfHH'i: ·i,~; \H!r'y ""i.lllpor•l·:i.'\1'11-.: to a u·.ictirn; etnd to J:i .<-.dSE! bt:~tl.4ll'H>rt l: h E:1 tri . c-1· . .i.m i.'ll'l cl U' J nri .

IVll. j L1 S I" _i C t'! s y stern tAJo r k e r s , for· exam p 1 E• , to bE' i:lil i.nl-.et'liH:!d i.,H'IJ bc -:-1-:. I>JHen ilw v'i.cl'.:i.rn and the poJice, or between the vi .ci~ ·Lrn and HIE! Cr·o, .... m al::h>r'rH.'IIJ. Cr·o, .... m at·.tor·nt:!ys, i.n thE:. pasl:, l:.o sustain some prosecutions, have l'h't d 1: n I:H'! n cl o t 1 f:! r· b a c k l.o~Ji:n· d s !--. o g i. v l" support l:.o vic Lirns. NotAl, Lhis j s nol: l:h~::• r'!)lf'! oF i'r Cr-own dl-.:l·:c)r'nc•y. Crown attorneys are noL trained for· 1: I·J'i. ~:; p tH' p o s 1·:! .

IJ] o s 1:. o F o u r· C r· OtAJn at. tor· rw y s h duE! h E• d u y c a~; E'! lo;HI!; i:liJd l·hl '! Cr·uwn ;:,l ··.hH'I'lC''J~' hd~JH identif ::i(,•d l:.o rnco!, and L.o the 9 0

l) r-:· t' n Ill(! i'l'i: I l. I I <:• !'II·: · lo' cl r (JI" u ::; I: u ~;upplEHilC!ITL thr:! ~;ys'l-E:'ITl, to PI"Ou:iciE:! nr'!I~J t~JtH'l<<-:!1"~:; tAJil\)·;r-:! pr- ·i JlliH'':J fttnc I ·.i un J . l l . . J ·1 I . i . a n < c.~r· J e 1'1': i:.l ... J o n L<JJ . .. :H:' a ~; s J ~; J n g l)"iJ 1·. i ill!; •' A Ulil"d pr·CJv:l s:.i.on of ·t hE:• Rj]], MJ". !')pHdKC!i", ·i·; c;··::!dlinq d illf!Chi :1it'i.:>til ·for· Ur t:• P r· o v :i n c C-:' r· E:! c Ed u :i. n g i:'l n d s p C! ll d i i l g r:·

l) I' I• ll (-1 b t:! I'H'' F i 1:: I d v:ict'ims of cr ·'.ilite revenue that t~r:\1] 1:11-'! clt'!r" ·iur:•cl fr 'rltll i".IH'! pr'opo~ :;f:!d Federal fine surcharge, or ~; < I t' I· i 1 >< . fl f;! r o I' I'! i. , .. ; H I ·I t ' U ~:~ :-:! o r=- Cornrnons, and soon, thE! ;~)E!nat.E!, 1-:hr·'!l'··e f'lJ·'e ;,'lJIIHnclrnel·il·.~; l·.o l~h<~ Criminal Code of' Canada which will c r· e f'l l·: 1" a ~; u r· 1 ... ,~ >< r J n r=- i. 1 1 r-:• ~; l. r n p o s r::o d No. 71 ( 1'.11 o t" n j ,., g ) ~~ /.j. l 'l-7

by COIIt'·i:~; foll.Ol.AJ"i.ng COi"llJ·i.ci:·i.on~; for· fE ·!ClE-~r·aJ offEHI!iPS, Cr ·:ir11::inc•a Cocl1'! of C;:1n<:1dd or:rl'!l'l~>t-:!~;, Ndr·t;ol :·i.t: Conti"'Ol Ac-1 offEH1ses, e:u; IAJeJJ CIS !-"<)()(' :HI d

J) I" u 'd •:'l ci: () r F 1-.' n s (·) :; . ·n, (!I"(·) flldY bE!! d C:OllpJ.E:! Or oi .hC-'1" fc->.dCo!r'al s L :1 1--_ltl :. e ~; . T l·w r' ,,~ ·i. ~; ~; o llH·:! d l s c r· E:! ·t l o n g :i v E:! n l~. o c o u r· i: s . T h e C t' 'L tni. n •:1 l Cod~~ p t' o u ·i cl r~ s f o t' L h ·i. ~; FJne revenue accruing to the p r'O U i. rl C (;! IAlh ~!! T' C->. ·f-. h l:! r j_ 1'1 (~ S l.A.J(! t' E!!

J.evie:1d and be :ing spent by thE! p r' o v i n c E:1 s , l? o i. t i s rw c 1:' ~; s rH' y f o r us to provide a legislative 1111->. chan i. s m for· r· f~ c e ;_ v oi. n 9 an cl spc:!nding for the dssistance of v j c t i.1n s H1 ·i. s rH'!IAJ r' r=! ~J :Hl u o IAJe IAJ "i.l.l cJ e r · i v e f r· o rn t h e p r· o p o s e d f e d e r a J f i. n r:~ s IH' c h r.n· g (~ . M r' . ~::; p u .:·1 k (! r' , i: h e s 1:~ i:1 r t'! L h 1,1 1-. h r· 1;! 1,1 flli:l.:in PI"OU:is:ions of !:.hE! n:il1. A g d i. n, r I~Jt.'t n L 1: o s ;:, y h OtAJ pl. H ;,:t !.> e d l di"fl "llli:d .

OlJI"' gCtVE-~I"I"IfliE~n -[·· -j S tald 1'19 Lhi.s in"i.l·. ·i.;:lr."it.J£-:! .=t~; I)Jnl.l <1~; l.h!-0! o ·lltE·!l" rnE!i'l.SlH'P!; ·lo he.Jp v :ict:.inl!i. T ·t-h :i 1·1 k :i. ·I oi s o 1 1 t::! o F t h e. n 1 o ~; t '~l<H' I· h1~1h .i 1.:-:• ~; o t: L·! l Jill:! i:\ :; 11 r·· H :; o 111·' g o u t'' , .. nr11 E:! n t h a ~' '1. a lu~ n . ~1 r~ . fl rt R I? '( : Ml "'. ~~PE'dkE:~I'' . MR . ~:;Pri'II<FR : lh(~ hun . Hli'' 1111Hilber· for· l'-1ounJ-. ~)c in ·-- RE:!ll Island. MR.

Bt1RI~Y : Ml"'. ~3pE!etket", l..1.Je lAd 11 bE! suppor·tj ng 1·: h P p r· oi n c i. p l. f'! of 1·: h -i. ~> f1-i. l '1. b u t-. t.hc,1r'E! ar'E~ d fco~IAJ cornrnents I lAIOUld l·i.kt:! 1-.u rndkl'! l~o l:.hc.=~ lrli.n·i .~:;l~.Hr' dncl ask her to consider. T h E! ~;-[ cd Co'l"ll p I I L of F.inc,, pl":incoipJe~; l": :!lfl i. nd s 1nu n F 1: h E! f d t: i·. 1: h i.1 1: l: h (! const:i tu ·l--j _on of LhE-! Sou:iE:d: Union l-i,:l.

S l:1r:! (! rl dE!CddC:'S pt.=~ pc r· ,., s oF t l1 e r···i \j hI .!; . l! ; ti H l-or· lll.:tny gHJJHr'dl . ion:; .:t11d i:.l ~; f :i 1·1 E:' d con~; t :.i t. u ·1 :.i on on ':Jl)ll c:oli-1 d h.:ti.Jt'' i.n i1'!r'1W:; pt"o ·h, !ci:Lon of hunli'tn [\I I 1-. I ol'w I"' I'!.-\ 1 i ; 'j 0 r I: ll I·! .i'uJy il, 19 Bil Vol XI. ~d.1·.11 i:1 1: ·i. on i n IJH) ~·)o l.!'i e l: U n ·i.o n ~~li:'t s t.hcd. hun1c.~n r·oights I.Uei"E-1 aJrnos ·l: contpl1·) 1-,(!ly ·i.gnor·c·d. ·rhr::!

FH !!r··i. od of gJ.asnost· SE:'E:~rns to bE:~ chang:ing this i:\l' lcl UHH'I·' ·i ~; ;-1 gt'l;!i .'t l:Hr' r'H(ngn i.l : ion of thco~ nE:'t=>d to pl"ot:ect human r· ·.i. g h i": s . T 111 H n L i. o n 1-. h i. ~; 1. o s h o IAJ ti'JClt :i.t js not just the IAJrit. ::i n~J dOIAJn oF pr·..-i .nc:i .plc!S on a p·i.r::•cc,~ o·F paper, euE:Hl if that pieCE:~ of papN' hapfH~n~; l:o be a b·i.ll. or· legislation of this House, that is t' (·) .:·1 ll y 9 o ;_ n g t: o c h a n 9 E:' tAJ h '" 1·.: r' E~ a 11 y happens in practice.

In order to haue significant :.i.lltpt'OVf'!lflf'!l'll·.~; fcOt' 1-.1-w posoi.l--.""i.on of v:i ctims in society, and I hate to br··.i.ng 1-.h:i.!; i·.o th1,1 <:ll'.l·:Hni~.ton of l~_hr:~ present adrnjnistration, they are go·ing l:o bH ~;l ·1ockr-:!d, t·hE:!y •H'Ic! gojng to shutt.c:•l", thE=!y al"('~ going l:o bl ;uJCil::! b11 i, yo1 .1 kllt )IA J, 11101'11-"Y hr.ts ·I o be,! spE:'n·l··. Thc,1 Moi n..i.s'I:E:•I" oi I· I I'' d 1. I i I ·j ~; q 11·i. L. l'i C: i·1 1"1 \j ~; 0' i.'\ 1· .. r; h i. 1'1 tj h :i s h (:!ad bE'! c ct us E" T k n OIAJ ~; p (c!

II d ::( rt g lliOill·:·y on !.ll::! j 11·; I ·i 1::C::! :;•;r; I r-!rll li.Ji'l~:; t he 1 ct ~' t t h ::i n g h P wo IJ J d '"' p p r· otJ E:' ~~~ h 1-:! n he 1.•k1 ~=; l.l1 t:! ~H n ·i !; 1-. :<! t' ol=- fjnance. · 1· hI'! r· H if\ I'(! no lJ n l: 1·:! ~; , M r · . ~) p e d k (' r· , the I" e a r· E:! no u o t E:' s '.i n ~' p e n d :.i 1·1 g lli1Hli '! Y on UH~ jusl:i .c1·!! sy~;t ·H rn, tHl -LilE! Je~:Jdl sy:;Lern, on coUI"t:r·oorn f, :tci .1i .i:iP~ > dl 'lcl so ror'Lh. Ther'('' a I" o v e r' y f E!I;.J votes . ThE:' 1rd rd s L: E:· I" ~; h d k C! s h r:! t' h f'! d cl .

MS VERGE : (fndudible) the jusl'.'Lce system . MR. BAR f<Y: I arn sayoing that is the reality of t;.J h "' 1: rn t:!l·n b r::• , •.• ~; o p p o ~; i 1·: E!! s H t:! rn t o r·c,,spond to. LE•t niE! give t·:h~:! lll"i .n i_:; l"(''t' dtl HXdlllpl u: nw M ·i.rd.s i"" l:!r has bE·E'n Just :.i.ce ~~::Ln:i ~;t-(,!1" fol" how llli.'t 11 y y e.-1r··; n•:;1"1? r"l~; \.Jr-:r?r;r::: T h I" (:' (:! y E-! C\ I" s . i\J () . '! .i ( ;'-1 0 I'" rt ::t 1 I ~

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MR. BARI~Y: Thr·E~P years. How many. cour·trooms, o t' c o u r· r-. h o u s E! s d t' o u n d t h ~;;' Province have we seen changes made I::O (,'!l'lSI.It'(~ ViCI-.:"i.IIJS r:tt'{;! S!·:!gt'C:!gdl ':Hd fl"Olll those who havE~ as saul tc::~d thE!m or· dotH~ i·:hE!lll IA.Ir'Ong 1 IAJh.i.J.Io~ U·wy arc~ cUAI<'.d ting t.d a]. MS Vf::RGF. : !" h H r' (-;~ d t' (-) i·.I;JI) btJ:i]t r-J .ght now. MR. BARRY : b u i. l d L n ':3 ~; bl:~ i. il9 Oh, 1·:1~10 l:)lli .l.di .ng b1-:!ing blt 'ili: r·igll1: IIOIAI?. ~-JIIE:!t'E·! J~; U1c-d? MS VF:I"~G[ ; 1Jni.fi.1:!d r~dlll'i .1y Col.lt'i·. i.n ~)l-..

John'~; at i-l l'IE'!t •· MR. hARI~Y: 11\l h ·i_ c h h d p p c->. t~t:rcl 1 ... o b 1.1 r· n d OI;Jtl I ~; o i l. h a s t o b C:! r· e b-u :i 1 t . Y e s . MS VEr~Gf. : it is going to cost over a nd 1 J :ion do J 1 a I" s in n E!LAJ mo n E· y . The "i. n s u t' d n c E'! p I" o c C::! E:! d s o n ly c o v r:! r· (! d d small fract:ion of the cost of I" f~ b u -i. l. d ·i. n g d n d I gel -t:ing d IJ_E!W s p <~ c ·i. i:d p t' o v i s i: o n s MR .

Btli~RY : C r·· r·1 n d F d l. l s i. ~; co u I" thou s e w·i t h For· v·Lcl-_·i.Jns. 0 k C1 y I ~-; o IAJe have go l llAJO • H olJ.J 111•11'11) COUI"I-. hou~;rc!:; i:tt'r:• Hlt:!l"lc! i:lt'OI .II'ld -t- h E:! P l" o v :i n c E~ ? r1s \J:::: r~c; F : lrJ (-~ II a \J (·! c r·:! n ·~. J•' (~~ a; r'll~. B()R:n· S~:•UPI'I ~:;U)JI"PIIIE'! COUI"t rJ cl'l j l.l s r: ~~up r. E-' fill" c (J u I" l , I IAIO lJ J d ·; i.-tiJ 1: h 1-:! r·e <'~ i" 1C. rnn r· f! IJ :i. 1: I· ·j HI~; 9 o t.ln·o1Jgi1 the-!

Pr·o~1i1·1c:i i:d Coul" 'l. s l•lhich ·i·:; ihE! d·ir·: :!CI : r·::!·:~pnn·~ib:i'! ·ii .IJ Clr tl1c• PI"Clvincc;! :in ·l-C::!I"fl 'IS uf Cl)l.lr'l·.r·uom fi.'lc·JJ'i.l ·.i.r;!~; i'tnd C lh·1tJI·:! hi:.ld l::hE:! OppOl''tUn:) l:y (lVC::!I'' !::hE'! J.a~;t f r;!IAJ lflO n 1-. h s I: o ::; £-:! f'! <.-1 c o u p 1 C:! o f ! h ~·I ~· ~ol I ;'1', '11 ~ () n rrJd nil . "' II-[-- ~ : ~ • 1 c:~ 1.11 -1 11-9 July 8, l.'JBil I) 11-1 ;< I coup].(~ T hdVf~ SHl'!rl 1 i--_hE• magistrates, the provincial court jucJgr:~S 61t'~~ up .i.n i:H'lllS bE!Cd,USE! t:hey have got no f<:Hil].tie•s, much less LhE! v·i.cf.·i1ns.

T 1~ri.ll. no 1: br~l.c1bour· -I--. his 1::h .i ~:; morning, but I IAJill ver·y str·ongly lll•'lk!:~ i·:h~) poJnl·. 1-.o L:he rn-i.n .i.sl-:.<:!1' 1 that j t:. j s al] IAJeJ 1 and good to 1-. i.-11. k •-~ b o 111: 1·. r· (·) i:l. 1·. ·i. n 9 \J ·i. c 1-. ·i. rn s IAJ":i. I--. h cour·tesy, compassion, and 1.1..dth r'<·)SfH:'t:l: ror· l:h1-:dr· cli .grl"i .l:y and pr·:ivacy, but. : IJJhE~I'l thC::!

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