British Columbia Hansard — Tuesday, February 28, 2006 (38th Parliament, 2nd Session) (H0228pm-15) (H0228pm 15)

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Second Session, 38th Parliament OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY (HANSARD) Tuesday, February 28, 2006 Afternoon Sitting Volume 6, Number 15 THE HONOURABLE BILL BARISOFF, SPEAKER ISSN 0709-1281

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA (Entered Confederation July 20, 1871) LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR Her Honour the Honourable Iona V. Campagnolo, CM, OBC SECOND SESSION, 38TH PARLIAMENT SPEAKER OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Honourable Bill Barisoff EXECUTIVE COUNCIL Premier and President of the Executive Council ............................................................................................................Hon. Gordon Campbell Minister of State for Intergovernmental Relations .......................................................................................................... Hon.

John van Dongen Deputy Premier and Minister of Education and Minister Responsible for Early Learning and Literacy...................... Hon. Shirley Bond Minister of Aboriginal Relations and Reconciliation .......................................................................................................Hon. Tom Christensen Minister of Advanced Education and Minister Responsible for Research and Technology ........................................... Hon.

Murray Coell Minister of Agriculture and Lands.......................................................................................................................................................Hon. Pat Bell Attorney General and Minister Responsible for Multiculturalism............................................................................... Hon. Wally Oppal, QC Minister of Children and Family Development ..........................................................................................................................Hon.

Stan Hagen Minister of State for Childcare ........................................................................................................................................................Hon. Linda Reid Minister of Community Services and Minister Responsible for Seniors’ and Women’s Issues........................................... Hon. Ida Chong Minister of Economic Development and Minister Responsible for the Asia-Pacific Initiative and the Olympics.................Hon.

Colin Hansen Minister of Employment and Income Assistance ...........................................................................................................Hon. Claude Richmond Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources .......................................................................................................Hon. Richard Neufeld Minister of State for Mining............................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Bill Bennett Minister of Environment and Minister Responsible for Water Stewardship and Sustainable Communities ...............Hon. Barry Penner Minister of Finance.......................................................................................................................................................................Hon. Carole Taylor Minister of Forests and Range and Minister Responsible for Housing ............................................................................. Hon.

Rich Coleman Minister of Health ......................................................................................................................................................................Hon. George Abbott Minister of Labour and Citizens’ Services .......................................................................................................................... Hon. Michael de Jong Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General................................................................................................................................Hon.

John Les Minister of Small Business and Revenue and Minister Responsible for Deregulation ...................................................... Hon. Rick Thorpe Minister of Tourism, Sport and the Arts .........................................................................................................................................Hon. Olga Ilich Minister of Transportation...........................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Kevin Falcon LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Leader of the Official Opposition .........................................................................................................................................................Carole James Deputy Speaker ....................................................................................................................................................................................Sindi Hawkins Assistant Deputy Speaker.....................................................................................................................................................................Sue Hammell Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole.................................................................................................................................................

Harry Bloy Clerk of the Legislative Assembly .........................................................................................................................E. George MacMinn, OBC, QC Clerk Assistant.........................................................................................................................................................................................Robert Vaive Clerk Assistant and Law Clerk .......................................................................................................................................................Ian D.

Izard, QC Clerk Assistant and Clerk of Committees ....................................................................................................................................... Craig H. James Clerk Assistant and Committee Clerk ..........................................................................................................................................Kate Ryan-Lloyd Sergeant-at-Arms............................................................................................................................................................................. A.A.

Humphreys Director, Hansard Services ..................................................................................................................................................Anthony Dambrauskas Legislative Librarian ..................................................................................................................................................................................Jane Taylor Legislative Comptroller...............................................................................................................................................................................Dan Arbic

Party Standings: Liberal 46; New Democratic 33 ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS Abbott, Hon. George (L) ..........................................................................Shuswap Austin, Robin (NDP)...................................................................................Skeena Bains, Harry (NDP)....................................................................... Surrey-Newton Barisoff, Hon. Bill (L)...............................................Penticton–Okanagan Valley Bell, Hon. Pat (L) ..................................................................Prince George North Bennett, Hon.

Bill (L) .....................................................................East Kootenay Black, Iain (L) ..................................................................Port Moody–Westwood Bloy, Harry (L).....................................................................................Burquitlam Bond, Hon. Shirley (L).......................................... Prince George–Mount Robson Brar, Jagrup (NDP)..........................................................Surrey–Panorama Ridge Campbell, Hon. Gordon (L) ..............................................

Vancouver–Point Grey Cantelon, Ron (L)................................................................... Nanaimo-Parksville Chong, Hon. Ida (L) ......................................................... Oak Bay–Gordon Head Chouhan, Raj (NDP) ................................................................Burnaby-Edmonds Christensen, Hon. Tom (L) ...................................................... Okanagan-Vernon Chudnovsky, Dave (NDP).................................................Vancouver-Kensington Coell, Hon. Murray (L) ..........................................Saanich North and the Islands Coleman, Hon.

Rich (L)................................................Fort Langley–Aldergrove Conroy, Katrine (NDP) ............................................... West Kootenay–Boundary Coons, Gary (NDP) .............................................................................North Coast Cubberley, David (NDP)................................................................. Saanich South de Jong, Hon.

Michael (L) ........................................Abbotsford–Mount Lehman Dix, Adrian (NDP) ..............................................................Vancouver-Kingsway Evans, Corky (NDP)......................................................................Nelson-Creston Falcon, Hon. Kevin (L) ............................................................

Surrey-Cloverdale Farnworth, Mike (NDP) ....................................Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain Fleming, Rob (NDP) ...................................................................Victoria-Hillside Fraser, Scott (NDP) ...................................................................Alberni-Qualicum Gentner, Guy (NDP)............................................................................ Delta North Hagen, Hon. Stan (L) ......................................................................Comox Valley Hammell, Sue (NDP) ........................................................

Surrey–Green Timbers Hansen, Hon. Colin (L) .......................................................Vancouver-Quilchena Hawes, Randy (L)............................................................... Maple Ridge–Mission Hawkins, Sindi (L) .................................................................... Kelowna-Mission Hayer, Dave S. (L) ..................................................................... Surrey-Tynehead Hogg, Gordon (L)................................................................... Surrey–White Rock Horgan, John (NDP)...........................................................

Malahat–Juan de Fuca Horning, Al (L)................................................................ Kelowna–Lake Country Ilich, Hon. Olga (L)....................................................................Richmond Centre James, Carole (NDP)............................................................Victoria–Beacon Hill Jarvis, Daniel (L)........................................................North Vancouver–Seymour Karagianis, Maurine (NDP) .................................................Esquimalt-Metchosin Krog, Leonard (NDP)..............................................................................

Nanaimo Krueger, Kevin (L)................................................... Kamloops–North Thompson Kwan, Jenny Wai Ching (NDP)................................ Vancouver–Mount Pleasant Lali, Harry (NDP)..............................................................................Yale-Lillooet Lee, Richard T. (L).........................................................................Burnaby North Lekstrom, Blair (L)................................................................... Peace River South Les, Hon. John (L)....................................................................

Chilliwack-Sumas Macdonald, Norm (NDP)......................................... Columbia River–Revelstoke MacKay, Dennis (L)......................................................... Bulkley Valley–Stikine Mayencourt, Lorne (L)............................................................Vancouver-Burrard McIntyre, Joan (L)...................................................... West Vancouver–Garibaldi Neufeld, Hon. Richard (L) ....................................................... Peace River North Nuraney, John (L)..................................................................Burnaby-Willingdon Oppal, Hon.

Wally, QC (L)............................................... Vancouver-Fraserview Penner, Hon. Barry (L)................................................................ Chilliwack-Kent Polak, Mary (L) ......................................................................................... Langley Puchmayr, Chuck (NDP)........................................................... New Westminster Ralston, Bruce (NDP) ...................................................................Surrey-Whalley Reid, Hon. Linda (L) ..................................................................... Richmond East Richmond, Hon.

Claude (L)...................................................................Kamloops Robertson, Gregor (NDP) .....................................................Vancouver-Fairview Roddick, Valerie (L)............................................................................ Delta South Routley, Doug (NDP).......................................................... Cowichan-Ladysmith Rustad, John (L) ..............................................................Prince George–Omineca Sather, Michael (NDP)..............................................

Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows Simons, Nicholas (NDP) ........................................ Powell River–Sunshine Coast Simpson, Bob (NDP).......................................................................Cariboo North Simpson, Shane (NDP) ......................................................... Vancouver-Hastings Sultan, Ralph (L) .........................................................West Vancouver–Capilano Taylor, Hon. Carole (L)..........................................................

Vancouver-Langara Thorne, Diane (NDP) ......................................................Coquitlam-Maillardville Thorpe, Hon. Rick (L)............................................................Okanagan-Westside Trevena, Claire (NDP) .......................................................................North Island van Dongen, Hon. John (L)..................................................Abbotsford-Clayburn Whittred, Katherine (L).............................................

North Vancouver–Lonsdale Wyse, Charlie (NDP) ......................................................................Cariboo South Yap, John (L)........................................................................Richmond-Steveston LIST OF MEMBERS BY RIDING Abbotsford-Clayburn ........................................................ Hon. John van Dongen Abbotsford–Mount Lehman................................................Hon. Michael de Jong Alberni-Qualicum ...............................................................................

Scott Fraser Bulkley Valley–Stikine ................................................................ Dennis MacKay Burnaby North................................................................................ Richard T. Lee Burnaby-Edmonds............................................................................. Raj Chouhan Burnaby-Willingdon ........................................................................John Nuraney Burquitlam............................................................................................

Harry Bloy Cariboo North....................................................................................Bob Simpson Cariboo South................................................................................... Charlie Wyse Chilliwack-Kent ....................................................................... Hon. Barry Penner Chilliwack-Sumas ........................................................................... Hon.

John Les Columbia River–Revelstoke ......................................................Norm Macdonald Comox Valley .............................................................................Hon. Stan Hagen Coquitlam-Maillardville................................................................... Diane Thorne Cowichan-Ladysmith .......................................................................Doug Routley Delta North........................................................................................

Guy Gentner Delta South...................................................................................Valerie Roddick East Kootenay ............................................................................Hon. Bill Bennett Esquimalt-Metchosin ............................................................. Maurine Karagianis Fort Langley–Aldergrove....................................................... Hon. Rich Coleman Kamloops ......................................................................... Hon. Claude Richmond Kamloops–North Thompson..........................................................

Kevin Krueger Kelowna–Lake Country .......................................................................Al Horning Kelowna-Mission ............................................................................Sindi Hawkins Langley................................................................................................

Mary Polak Malahat–Juan de Fuca........................................................................John Horgan Maple Ridge–Mission ......................................................................Randy Hawes Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows...........................................................Michael Sather Nanaimo ...........................................................................................Leonard Krog Nanaimo-Parksville..........................................................................

Ron Cantelon Nelson-Creston.................................................................................. Corky Evans New Westminster ........................................................................Chuck Puchmayr North Coast .........................................................................................Gary Coons North Island.................................................................................... Claire Trevena North Vancouver–Lonsdale ....................................................

Katherine Whittred North Vancouver–Seymour .............................................................. Daniel Jarvis Oak Bay–Gordon Head.................................................................Hon. Ida Chong Okanagan-Vernon ..............................................................Hon. Tom Christensen Okanagan-Westside................................................................... Hon. Rick Thorpe Peace River North ...............................................................Hon.

Richard Neufeld Peace River South ..........................................................................Blair Lekstrom Penticton–Okanagan Valley...................................................... Hon. Bill Barisoff Port Coquitlam–Burke Mountain................................................. Mike Farnworth Port Moody–Westwood .........................................................................Iain Black Powell River–Sunshine Coast.....................................................Nicholas Simons Prince George North .........................................................................Hon.

Pat Bell Prince George–Mount Robson................................................. Hon. Shirley Bond Prince George–Omineca .....................................................................John Rustad Richmond Centre .......................................................................... Hon. Olga Ilich Richmond East ............................................................................ Hon. Linda Reid Richmond-Steveston ............................................................................... John Yap Saanich North and the Islands..................................................Hon.

Murray Coell Saanich South..............................................................................David Cubberley Shuswap ................................................................................ Hon. George Abbott Skeena ...............................................................................................Robin Austin Surrey-Cloverdale ....................................................................Hon. Kevin Falcon Surrey–Green Timbers.....................................................................

Sue Hammell Surrey-Newton ....................................................................................Harry Bains Surrey–Panorama Ridge...................................................................... Jagrup Brar Surrey-Tynehead .............................................................................Dave S. Hayer Surrey-Whalley ............................................................................... Bruce Ralston Surrey–White Rock..........................................................................

Gordon Hogg Vancouver-Burrard .................................................................. Lorne Mayencourt Vancouver-Fairview.................................................................. Gregor Robertson Vancouver-Fraserview ...................................................... Hon. Wally Oppal, QC Vancouver-Hastings...................................................................... Shane Simpson Vancouver-Kensington ........................................................... David Chudnovsky Vancouver-Kingsway...........................................................................

Adrian Dix Vancouver-Langara.................................................................Hon. Carole Taylor Vancouver–Mount Pleasant .............................................Jenny Wai Ching Kwan Vancouver–Point Grey..................................................... Hon. Gordon Campbell Vancouver-Quilchena ............................................................. Hon. Colin Hansen Victoria–Beacon Hill ........................................................................Carole James Victoria-Hillside................................................................................

Rob Fleming West Kootenay–Boundary ............................................................ Katrine Conroy West Vancouver–Capilano ............................................................... Ralph Sultan West Vancouver–Garibaldi............................................................. Joan McIntyre Yale-Lillooet ..........................................................................................Harry Lali

CONTENTS Tuesday, February 28, 2006 Afternoon Sitting Routine Proceedings Page Introductions by Members ....................................................................................................... ............................................. 2547 Tributes ....................................................................................................................... .............................................................. 2547 Sadhu Singh Dhesi D.

Hayer Statements (Standing Order 25B) .............................................................................................................................. ............. 2548 Williams Creek rescue R. Austin Participation by Brad Lennea on Paralympic ski team R. Hawes Nanaimo Child Development Centre L. Krog Leasehold buildings and housing policy L. Mayencourt Memorial for William Lloyd Fedewa R. Chouhan Expansion of Lions Gate Hospital K.

Whittred Oral Questions................................................................................................................. ......................................................... 2550 Review of seniors care in health facilities K. Conroy Hon. G. Abbott Availability of seniors care beds in Williams Lake C. Wyse Hon. G. Abbott Review of health care system C. James Hon. G. Abbott D. Cubberley Health care research tour M. Farnworth Hon. G. Abbott Child protection investigations A. Dix Hon. L. Reid J. Brar Hon. J. Les Medical supplements for disability benefits recipients C. Trevena Hon. C.

Richmond Government action on class size and composition in education system J. Horgan Hon. M. de Jong Tabling Documents.............................................................................................................. .................................................... 2554 Office of the Auditor General, Service Plan 2006-2007–2008-2009 Motions without Notice ......................................................................................................... ................................................. 2554 Committee of Supply to sit in two sections Hon. M. de Jong

Budget Debate (continued)............................................................................................................................... ........................ 2555 Hon. C. Richmond M. Sather Hon. R. Thorpe S. Simpson Hon. R. Coleman G. Coons J. McIntyre

2547 TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 The House met at 2:04 p.m. Introductions by Members Hon. C. Richmond: In the gallery today I have two very, very good friends visiting from Kamloops, Joan and Murray Mason. Murray is a trumpet player in that great musical organization known as the Kamloops Rube Band. They are here with their good friends Mr. and Mrs. Vidal, and I woul d like the House to please make them welcome. C. James: There are a number of members of the Canadian Office and Profe ssional Employees Local 378 in the chamber today. This union, as people may know, represents employees at ICBC , Accenture, B.C.

Hydro, Terasen Gas, BCAA and other employers. It's my pleasure to introduce the executive members: Andy Ross, president; Lori Mayhew, secretary-treasurer; David Black, vice-president; Pat Junnila, a vice- president. Would the members please make them wel- come. [1405] R. Cantelon: I rise today on behalf of my colleague the Minister of Children and Family Development, who is travelling to Ottawa. It is an honour for me to- day to make an introduction of more than 50 students and teachers from the great Georges P. Vanier Secon- dary School, located in the beautiful Comox Valley.

I would like to ask the House to join me in making them feel welcome. L. Krog: I would ask the House to make welcome three members of the Canadian Office and Professional Employees Union — representatives here today: Guy Beaulieu, Audrey Barnes and Sharon Thomas. I. Black: It is my pleasure this afternoon to intro- duce Heather Dalcourt, who is a senior member of the British Columbia business community. She is a leader in her field of human resources, and she is currently serving as vice-president of human resources of Open Solutions Canada, which is also my former employer.

She is a colleague, a mentor and a dear friend. Would the House please join me in making her feel most wel- come. J. Horgan: I have the pleasure to introduce today Jinny Sims, the president of the B.C. Teachers Federa- tion. She's joining us in the precinct today. Accompanying her from Parksville-Qualicum is Jill McAffrey. Would the House please make both of them welcome. S. Simpson: I'm pleased to join with the Leader of the Opposition in also welcoming some members of the Canadian Office and Pr ofessional Employees Un- ion, who are here meeting with members of the Legis- lature.

Marilyn Bridges, Dave Park and Steve Toomey are proud employees of some of our Crown corpora- tions, which we're all proud to keep. C. Trevena: I'm very pleased to introduce two con- stituents, friends and supporters who live on Malcolm Island: Jennifer Lash, who es tablished Living Oceans Society, and Oonagh O'Connor, who works for Living Oceans. Both are committed professionally and per- sonally to the rural community in which they live, bringing up their children there and investing in the present and the future. I hope the House will make them very welcome. C.

Puchmayr: Today it is a great pleasure to intro- duce a UBC social work practicum student who is vol- unteering in my office in New Westminster two days a week: the brilliant Erin Mack intosh. Make her feel wel- come. S. Hammell: I have a number of introductions. In the gallery is Marilyn Bridges, a constituent of mine, newly moved from Nanaimo. I welcome her to Surrey– Green Timbers, and I would ask the House to welcome her here. I also have two members of the BCTF executive: John Chisamore and Lynda Toew s. They're both in the gallery. Would the House also please welcome them. R.

Austin: It's my pleasure today to introduce three gentlemen who are visiting here in the precinct: Chris Ayling, Chris McPherson and Dave McPherson. They are also members of the Canadian Office and Profes- sional Employees Union. I ask the House to please make them welcome. J. Horgan: I appreciate the second opportunity to introduce in the gallery today the most important woman in Malahat–Juan de Fuca, who I'm fairly confi- dent voted for me. I'd like the House to please welcome my alpha and my omega, the love of my life, Ellie Hor- gan. B.

Ralston: There's not much left between the alpha and the omega, I'm afraid. I'd like to introduce toda y Lori Winstanley, who is currently the communications director for COPE 378 after a distinguished career in both public and private sectors and, not coincidentally, an important role in the last campaign. She was my campaign manager. Please welcome Lori Winstanley. [1410] Tributes SADHU SINGH DHESI D. Hayer: Mr. Speaker, I'd like to advise this House that Mr. Sadhu Singh Dhes i, a prominent community leader, passed away this Monday, February 27, 2006. Mr. Dhesi was actually involved in many community

2548 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 organizations. He served as president of Five Rivers Community Services Society and also as a senior execu- tive member of Akali Singh Sikh Temple in Vancouver and had been serving ther e since 1975. He addressed many issues that affect our Canadians here. I would like to send our condolences to his family. Statements (Standing Order 25B) WILLIAMS CREEK RESCUE R. Austin: I rise today to commend the heroic ac- tions of Ernie Sande, who resides in my riding of Skeena. This winter Mr.

Sande, at great risk to his own life, dove into Williams Creek to rescue a man who was trapped in the currents in the river. I'm pleased to say that both men survived. Williams Creek flows into beautiful Lakelse Lake close to where Highway 37 passes over the creek. Wil- liams Creek contains dang erous currents and logjams and has taken lives in the past. In the summer of 2004 a young boy was tubing down the river when he was caught in a logjam, and tragically, he did not survive.

On the evening of Sunday, February 12, while driv- ing on Highway 37, a car skidded on black ice and flew off the bridge into Williams Creek. While the driver was escaping from the car, a second car skidded in the same place but managed to stop safely at the side of the highway. The driver noticed there was something in the water and pulled out his flashlight. He was shining his flashlight in the water of Williams Creek when Mr. Sande drove by and stopped. Seeing there was a man trapped in the current in the creek, Mr. Sande dove into the water, taking a great ri sk and endangering his own life.

The man in the current was treading water but ap- p e a r e d t o b e t i r i n g . M r . S a n d e s w a m u p t o h i m a n d threw out his jacket for the man to grab. Hypothermia and exhaustion appeared to be taking its toll, and the man didn't appear to understand what Mr. Sande was doing. After the fourth toss, the man grabbed the jacket. Mr. Sande swam to safety, dragging the man with him. By this time other help had arrived and as- sisted the man who drove into the river. Mr. Sande simply got into his truck and drove home.

I ask that all members of the House join me in ac- knowledging Ernie Sande's selfless act of bravery. PARTICIPATION BY BRAD LENNEA ON PARALYMPIC SKI TEAM R. Hawes: In 1991 Mission's Brad Lennea was a normal, healthy 19-year-old. He was athletic, an avid skier, and undoubtedly, like all teenagers, he felt invin- cible. Then — boom — a tragic car accident severed his spinal cord and left him a paraplegic.

I can't possibly comprehend what could have gone through his mind in the following years, but as a parent I can imagine the anguish and despair of his parents Al and Barb — all their hopes for him gone in the split second of that ter- rible car wreck. Three years later Brad discovered sit-skiing. By 2002 he had been named to the national development team, where he began competing in World Cup events. For the 2003-2004 season he was part of the World Cup team, and this week Brad Lennea will join athletes with disabilities from all across Canada to compete in the Paralympic Games in Turin, Italy.

He'll be competing in speed events, where his spe- cialty is the super-G. Brad says: "Sport has given me a life. I wasn't sure what to expect from life before. The more I got in- volved with disabled skiing, the more it consumed my life. Now every decision I make in life revolves around skiing." His personal motto is: "Don't just sit there watching life go by. Get out and ride." And Al and Barb, his parents? I don't think you could find a prouder set of parents. Brad and the other Paralympians truly symbolize what the Olympics are all about: the pursuit of excellence and being the best that you can be.

Imagine for a moment the courage it must take to overcome the kinds of obstacles faced by our disabled athletes. These are truly remarkable people who have risen far above their person al impediments to provide an example of dedication, commitment and fortitude for all of us. Please join me in wishing Brad Lennea and his teammates the best in Turin. Bring home the gold, Brad. [1415] NANAIMO CHILD DEVELOPMENT CENTRE L. Krog: I'm proud today to talk to the House about the child development centre. This was a society incor- porated in 1967 by a number of parents in Nanaimo whose children had special needs.

The mission was to work with children and yo uth with special needs and their families. Today it serves over 1,600 families annu- ally in Nanaimo. It has 700 active files at any time. It has a staff of 49 regular employees and 25 support workers. It provides all sorts of assistance to families working with occupational therapy, feeding and toilet- ing — in other words, the kids who need the most assistance in our society.

Seventy-five percent of its budget comes from the government — the Ministry of Children and Family Development — from the Vancouver Island Health Au- thority and from the local school district, and 25 percent comes from fundraising. They sponsor annually what is known as the Silly Boat Regatta, which I invite all mem- bers of this House to attend on July 16 this year. They would like to deli ver more services, though, hon. Speaker. I ask that all members of this House con- tinue to support similar charities in their communities as well, which provide this very valuable service.

I want to conclude by extending to the Minister of Children and Family Development an invitation to attend there. I anticipate him going there soon to view this very important organization in this community.

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2549 LEASEHOLD BUILDINGS AND HOUSING POLICY L. Mayencourt: I take this opportunity to discuss a housing concern that's been brought to my attention by West End leaseholders and a number of seniors that live in the West End. The concerns are of particular importance to me because of the potential scope of this housing challenge. You see, there are leasehold build- ings in lots of ridings in this province. Many seniors have invested considerable savings into leasehold tenancy arrangements because of the affordability of this legitimate part of our housing stock.

It allows them to re side in the beautiful commu- nities that are conveniently located throughout the lower mainland. One example of the challe nge is the 40-year-old El Cid. It's a well-known leasehold building which is cen- trally located in Burrard. In late December residents of the El Cid received four working days' notice to ac- commodate a 350-percent increase in their maintenance fees for repair costs for work on the exterior of their building.

Leasehold buildings are not permitted to save up for maintenance like condominiums, so when repairs are needed, the tenants have to pay for them within the year of the repairs. The work, in this case, is extensive, and it will take three years. This is a hardship for those seniors for three years solid. Additionally, tenants don't get a place at the table when repair decisions are made, so they have no way of assuring themselves that they are getting the best value for their maintenance dollars. Leasehold tenants are not covered by the Strata Property Act or the Residential Tenancy Act. This is wrong.

They are orphaned, and it is time to provide these seniors with a new protection under a new hous- ing strategy. The situation at the El Cid is a dramatic reminder that it often would be good for us to review and con- sider current policy and make changes when they're necessary. I look forward to additional meetings with the concerned leaseholders in my riding and in other communities, management representatives from lease- hold management companies, as well as concerned constituents in the West End who see the need for some standardization and accountability in the con- trolled processes for this market.

MEMORIAL FOR WILLIAM LLOYD FEDEWA R. Chouhan: Mr. Speaker, last Sunday, February 26, over 100 people got together at the Operating Engi- neers Hall in Burnaby to celebrate the life of Lloyd Fedewa. Lloyd was a fine human being whose lifetime com- mitment to the betterment of common men and women knew no boundaries. Many speakers spoke at the me- morial to highlight many memorable moments of his life in Burnaby. One of the speakers was my friend Art Kube.

Art had the privilege to work with Lloyd, and I share some of the comments made by Brother Art Kube on Sunday: Lloyd was a peacemaker who always felt the unity of workers' organizations was paramount and should never be jeopardized by individual agendas and personal egos. He dedicated his entire life to work for the labour movement, the New Democratic Party and its predeces- sor, the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation. He did more than his share to fight for the establishment of many social benefits we all enjoy, and in his retirement when he saw these benefits attacked, he joined the fight to protect them.

As a member of Seniors on Guard for Medicare, he was always there when called. He had the lifetime com- mitment to defend Medicare that could not be turned off just because he was retired. [1420] As a true socialist and tr ue social democrat, he be- lieved in the innate worth of every human being, but most of all believed in the collective strength of workers. Nothing reflects Lloyd's belief better than Ralph Chap- lain's first words of Solidarity Forever.

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run, There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun, Yet what force is weaker than the feeble strength of one? But the union makes us strong. Lloyd, you worked long and hard in the vineyards of human progress. You did your share. You have our respect and gratitude. Lloyd was born in 1927 and passed away on February 16, 2006. We are all richer for having had Lloyd in our midst. EXPANSION OF LIONS GATE HOSPITAL K. Whittred: I rise today to tell you about the $22 million expansion and redevelopment of Lions Gate Hospital's emergency room.

For this landmark and pillar of the North Shore community, the redevelop- ment will ensure that the Lions Gate Hospital will con- tinue to meet our community's health care needs for decades to come. Once completed in late 2007, the new ER not only will improve efficiency for patients but will create 27 new treatment spaces, establish a second triage station, build a separate entrance for ambulances, and create an innovative paperless and wireless environment, which will be the first for Vancouver Coastal Health.

In addition to the $8.2 million funding from Van- couver Coastal Health, this project was made possible due to the tireless efforts of the Lions Gate Hospital Foundation. Bringing the community together, the foundation raised $14 million, including a $5 million contribution from Jimmy Pattison, and they did it ahead of schedule. I would like to congratulate the foundation's president Judy Savage and all the volun- teers for their successful campaign to improve our community's hospital. They indeed exemplify the qualities of what makes British Columbia great.

2550 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 Oral Questions REVIEW OF SENIORS CARE IN HEALTH FACILITIES K. Conroy: Yesterday the Minister of Health said he would look at the case of seniors who have passed away alone, away from their families, and determine if a further review would be required. My question to the minister is: will he now co mmit to expand the inquiry to look at all the cases of seniors being separated from their families in addition to Mrs. Albo's case? Hon. G.

Abbott: Since yesterday at one o'clock when I received the correspondence from the member opposite, I have asked and directed my staff to gather all relevant information in respect of the four cases that were summa- rized in the material that was forwarded by the member. Staff have now undertaken to do that. That report will be underway. They are working closely with the Interior Health Authority, but officials also feel that it's important that they have independent contact with the family as well.

As the member probably knows, there are some re- sponsibilities we have to fulfil in terms of securing per- mission from the family under the Freedom of Informa- tion and Protection of Privacy Act to gather and appro- priately disseminate information around that. This will be a thorough review and certainly not a hasty one. Mr. Speaker: The member for West Kootenay– Boundary has a supplemental. [1425] K. Conroy: Yes, the minister has only had 24 hours, and I'm glad to hear that he is looking at this with urgency, because it is an extremely urgent matter for families like Winifred Guesford's.

Winifred was moved to Grand Forks because there were no beds available for her in Trail. The family wants her home. They wan t t o b e a b l e t o b e n e a r this 90-year-old woman so that they can support her. We want to hear that the minister will expand this inquiry, so that the Guesford family is not dealing with the same tragic situation the other families are facing in Trail. Hon. G. Abbott: I thank the member for her question and for again raising one of the cases that was raised in her letter yesterday.

Again, our sympathies, our condo- lences are to the family, undoubtedly as they continue to work their way through these difficult issues. I think in some respects the member answers her own question, which is that we need to review such cases with the care , the thoroughness, the deliberation, the thought and the wisdom that I'm sure the family would hope and expect from us. If we can do that, if we can do such thoughtful wo rk, we do minimize the chances of such things happening again, and we do, as a consequence, improve outcomes for all families facing similar situations in the province of British Columbia.

Mr. Speaker: Member for West Kootenay– Boundary has a further supplemental. K. Conroy: Well, in fact, you do have the particu- lars about the Guesford family, but it was not in my letter yesterday. It was in a letter from the family that was sent to you, because Mrs. Guesford has not passed away, fortunately. Let me quote Mrs. Guesford's family: "We are not waiting to hear condolences from the Minister of Health. Bring her home to Trail now." Again, will the minister commit to a full inquiry into why the seniors are not getting the care they need in home communities while their families need to be nearby? Hon. G.

Abbott: I think the last thing that any mem- ber of this House should want is a rush to judgment. Again, it is very important that when one considers these kinds of individual family cases, one not only has an opportunity to have contact and appropriate contact with the family to learn about their experience, but it's also very important to understand what the medical practitioner's advice was in these cases.

It's important to understand what other caregivers may have to offer in terms of our understanding of a situation, and it's impor- tant that we understand from the administration — from the officials involved — whether they believe that ap- propriate protocols and policies were followed. I appreciate that one might like to have these an- swers within an hour or with in 25 hours, but these are serious, important and some times complex cases. It's important that we have balanced judgments in the final analysis. AVAILABILITY OF SENIORS CARE BEDS IN WILLIAMS LAKE C.

Wyse: The issue of seniors care involves a larger area than just the Kootenays. About four years ago Inte- rior Health Authority closed two long-term care facilities for the elderly in Williams Lake. Those closures led to the loss of more than 80 beds that the community said were needed to provide care for the seniors.

Presently in Williams Lake there are nine seniors requiring long-term care beds in Cariboo Memorial Hospital, receiving care; seven further seniors identified requiring long-term care beds in local facilities not staffed to provide these services; close to 40 seniors re- ceiving care out of Cariboo Lodge, which is one of the facilities that was closed; and in addition, seven seniors waiting in Kamloops to return home to Williams Lake. My question is to the minister. Why did the Minis- ter of Health allow closure of senior care facilities in Williams Lake before replacement facilities were avail- able? [1430] Hon.

G. Abbott: The issues in Williams Lake are ones that are similar to juri sdictions or to communities elsewhere in the province. Wh at we had on taking of- fice in 2001 were many facilities across this province that were simply inappropriate for the level of care they were offering. What we had were facilities that

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2551 were intended to provide residential care — that is, complex 24-7 care — for seniors. What one found with many of those facilities was that they sometimes didn't meet building codes, sometimes not fire codes; had narrow hallways, narrow doorways, inappropriate sanitary and dining facilities. As a consequence, we undertook, as a government and through the health authorities, remediation of much of that stock. Williams Lake has had some closures. They have also had openings. Mr. Speaker: The member for Cariboo South has a supplemental. C.

Wyse: The issue in Williams Lake still remains the number of seniors that are not receiving care four years later. The community clearly indicated and ad- vised the Interior Health Au thority that IHA's estimate of seniors' need for our area was wrong. Questions have arisen around the provision of respite care that is available to the caregivers in this area. Seniors are be- ing kept in the hospital, where long-term care beds are the solution. Two facilities were collapsed into one private, for-profit facility to provide for seniors. The Premier's promise of choice for seniors does not exist in Williams Lake.

My question to the Minist er of Health: will the min- ister expand the investigation involving seniors care to include the Williams Lake area? Hon. G. Abbott: In Williams Lake we have added capacity on both assisted living and on residential care. The aim in Williams Lake — the aim in every commu- nity — is to attempt to find a good balance between demand and capacity. I know that under the former government they had a policy in terms of access to residential care that involved, really, first on the list regardless of level of care need. We've moved away from that, appropriately.

I think the Interior Health Authority, in fairness to th em, works very hard to try to ensure that in every community, including Williams Lake, there is an appropriate balance between capacity and demand. I have not heard the figures that are cited by the member before. If he would like to provide me with any additional information he has, I'm glad to discuss it with the Interior Health Authority. But again, I think they are working very hard to try to meet the needs of seniors and particularly th e frail elderly in Williams Lake. REVIEW OF HEALTH CARE SYSTEM C.

James: Well, it's very clear from the answers we've received thus far from the Health Minister this week and last week that th e Health Minister doesn't listen to seniors and their families, that the Health Min- ister isn't aware of what's going on in his own ministry. Perhaps the Health Minister would like to listen to one of his own colleagues. I'd like to quote the member for Kamloops on health care. In November the member for Kamloops said: "We're turning away people who have important surgeries. A brain tumour wasn't able to be done. The emergency room can't operate prop- erly.

We seem to be lurching from one crisis to another. Every week there is another one and another one." The Health Minister left the Premier and his brother-in-law alone on their Europe tour so he could stay here and fix things. I'd like to again ask the Health Minister: will he agree to ap point an independent third party to review health care in all five regions? Interjection. Mr. Speaker: Member. Hon. G. Abbott: There's one thing that's very clear from the discussions we've had this week and last week. It is that the Leader of the Opposition is entirely precipitous in forming judgments before she has the facts.

That would appear to be what is entirely clear from that. I am astonished… Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. Continue. [1435] Hon. G. Abbott: …that the Leader of the Opposi- tion would move from four concerns about four par- ticular cases to what sounded to me like a general con- demnation of the five health authorities we have in this province. She is moving to judgments before she has all of the information.

I woul d have thought that she would like to have all of the information to have a comprehensive analysis of that information and then form her judgments, as opposed to forming judgments and then trying to find wa ys to justify those precipi- tous judgments. Mr. Speaker: The Leader of the Opposition has a supplemental. C. James: It's very clear that the Health Minister doesn't want to look at the facts. It's very clear that the Health Minister isn't interested in the information. If he were, he could have actually read the clippings last week and received the same information that we pro- vided to him this week.

Perhaps he would like to listen again to his colleague from Kamloops… Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. C. James: …who told his local newspaper that the Minister of Health was in fact aware of the situation and the problem. I'd like to quote again from the mem- ber for Kamloops. He's quoted as saying: "It's not good enough. In fact, it's very ba d. I phoned the Minister of Health, and said, 'We've got to do something.' The

2552 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 Minister of Health said it's in his hospital too. It's in Kelowna. We have to get to the bottom of this problem and fix it." In just two years this government has cut 387 acute care beds and 935 long-term care beds in the Interior Health region alone. That 's why there are 53 percent more seniors… Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. C. James: …occupying acute care beds, and that is why patients are being turned away. That's why sur- geries are cancelled. It's very clear that's why seniors and their families are being forced to move from com- munities.

Again to the minister: if he really wants to get to the bottom of this problem, why won't he do a review of what's going on in his health regions? Hon. G. Abbott: It's interesting. The Leader of the Opposition says, "Look at the facts; look at the facts," and when I attempt to look at the facts, she condemns me for looking at the facts. I don't really understand what the Leader of the Opposition is attempting to do here. Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members, we listened to the question. We'll listen to the answer. Hon. G.

Abbott: The Leader of the Opposition says — and perhaps this might give us an indication of how a future NDP government might operate…. It sounds remarkably… Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. Hon. G. Abbott: …like an old NDP government. That is, they make up policy. They generate their ideas based on last week's news headlines. That's the way we can expect the NDP to operate. That's what the Leader of the Opposition tells me I should do. "I saw clippings from last week." I should form judgments based on that. It's absolutely wrong. Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members, let's listen to the question. D.

Cubberley: The minister suggests that the oppo- sition wants an answer to appear in an hour. What we're saying is that we want the minister to agree to expand the investigation to look at the systemic prob- lems that result in seniors being separated from their families. It's interesting that the minister refuses to con- sider a broad inquiry into the treatment of seniors and the B.C. bed crunch. [1440] The pattern of denial continues.

Given that he thought the issue important enough to bail on the Pre- mier's family health tour, one would have thought he'd be ready to address the systemic reasons for seniors' separations — like maybe even absorb that internal IHA report that documents the crisis in care beds. As it happens, though, the Premier and his brother- in-law are in Sweden today. Can the Minister of Health tell us if they're planning to visit long-term care facili- ties and learn about eldercare in Stockholm? Hon. G. Abbott: There are many things to be learned internationally; there are things to be learned nationally and provincially.

For example, the Leader of the Opposition might learn, if she looked carefully at Royal Inland Hospital, that some $26 million has been spent to upgrade, improve, modernize and expand the emergency room. She might learn that a new MRI scanner was added in October of 2004 to Royal Inland Hospital. Mr. Speaker: Direct your questions through the Chair, minister. Hon. G. Abbott: She might learn that ten more physicians have been added to the Kamloops area and that a 44-bed neuropsychiatric centre has been added to Kamloops and the Interior Health region. There is so much to be proud of in the province.

I don't understand why the Leader of the Opposition constantly wants us to go to the Manitoba model. Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. The member for Saanich South has the floor. D. Cubberley: Well, isn't it interesting that after bragging about all the things that have been done at Royal Inland Hospital, the on e thing that the minister doesn't mention is that there aren't enough acute care beds in the hospital? It's fascinating. They were cancelling surgeries there again last week.

It's exactly the same phenome- non the member for Kamloops was talking about the week before or the month before and the one that the minister agreed he saw happening at his Shuswap Lake General Hospital and at Kelowna General Hospi- tal. You know, I don't imagine that the Premier is going to look at eldercare, because probably his brother-in- law would steer him away from that. But were the Premier to look at how elde rcare works in Sweden, he might find out that the Swedes invest 3 percent of their GDP in it, while we put in 1.2 percent in Canada.

He'd also learn that the health outcomes for seniors there are far better than ours. But I get a sense that the minister isn't really interested in wh at they do in Sweden, and he's clearly resistant to learning about what's going on with seniors here in B.C.

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2553 Mr. Speaker: Does the member have a question? D. Cubberley: Yes, Mr. Speaker. Could the minister perhaps tell the House just what it is he's so afraid of learning? Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. Minister of Health. Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members, could we listen to the answer. Hon. G. Abbott: I think the member may have been practising his question in a mirror earlier and got con- fused about which was the question and which was the answer. W e h a v e n o t h i n g t o b e a f r a i d o f .

I n f a c t , w e h a v e everything to be proud of in British Columbia — every- thing. Over the past five years we have invested over a billion dollars in building the continuum of care for the frail elderly in this province — whether it's assisted living, supportive housing, residential care. Over a billion dollars has been invested in that area. By the end of 2006 we will have about 3,400 incre- mental new seniors housing, residential care and assisted-living units in this province, and we can be enormously proud of that.

We can learn lots internationally — in answer to the member's question — but we've got lots to be proud of here at home. The member should be proud and the official opposition should be proud as well. [1445] HEALTH CARE RESEARCH TOUR M. Farnworth: I find it interesting that the Minister of Health would complain about how this side would make health policy when the major item in his throne speech was about future health policy on a four-day trip to Europe, which he didn't even go on. My question to the minister is this.

He stated that h e d i d n ' t g o o n t h e h e a l t h c a r e t r i p — the Premier's family health care trip — to Europe because he wanted to stay here and get to the bottom of the Albo family case. Yet since that time, every time questions have been asked in this House, he has been dismissive and has refused to expand the inquiry. In order to reassure the public that the real reason why he stayed behind here is to deal with the problems in Interior Health and the problems around the Albo family case, will he agree to expand the inquiry?

Or if he refuses, will he just confirm that the real reason he stayed behind and did not go on the Premier's family trip was to snub the Premier because he was not in- volved in the planning of the trip and that the real Health Minister went on the trip? Interjections. Mr. Speaker: Members. Hon. G. Abbott: Mr. Speaker, it's difficult to pro- ceed with the heckling from my own side of the House. Snubbing the Premier is am ong the practices I attempt not to engage in. The member's question actually is utterly absurd.

The reason why I have stayed in British Columbia is because I believe very powe rfully and very passion- ately that the Albo family deserves some answers to the questions that were raised by the unfortunate situa- tion that their mother and the family were confronted with. That is entirely the reason why I am in British Columbia rather than looking elsewhere. It's still an important fact-finding mission that the Premier and others are engaged in. I'm sure we will learn very important things from that, but in this case it was not a difficult decision for me.

I believe, as I said, powerfully and passionately that the family deserves the answers. They deserve them in a timely way. CHILD PROTECTION INVESTIGATIONS A. Dix: My question is to the acting Premier, the acting Minister of Children and Family Development. The Ministry of Children and Family Development's standard for completing child protection investigations is 30 days, reflecting the urgency such inquiries require. Can the minister tell this House how many current child protection investigations have been ongoing for more than 365 days, or 12 times longer than the minis- try's own standard?

Can the minister further tell this House how many current child protection investiga- tions have been ongoing for more than 1,000 days, or 33 times longer than the ministry's own standard? Hon. L. Reid: I'll take the question on notice. J. Brar: I would like to ask the Solicitor General about one of those deaths . Three-year-old Halaina Dawn Lascelle was murdered by her caregiver uncle on April 30, 2001. That's been almost five years.

The ministry, doctors, mental health counsellors and police all had contact with the fam ily prior to the murder, but there has been no public ac counting of any agency's actions leading up to Halaina's death. In December the Coroners Service said its review was still not done. Will the Solicitor General tell the House today when the review of this 2001 death will be completed? Hon. J. Les: I am not familiar with the specifics of the case that the member cites, so I will take the ques- tion on notice and return to the House with the appro- priate answer. MEDICAL SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISABILITY BENEFITS RECIPIENTS C.

Trevena: I would like to ask the Minister of Em- ployment and Income Assistance a policy question in light of his avowed commitment to people with dis-

2554 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 abilities. I would like to know from the minister: when someone is applying for a medical supplement, some- one who is on disability, what weight is given to the administrator's view vis-à-vis the doctor's own view? [1450] Hon. C. Richmond: The policy is that anyone ap- plying for medical emergency assistance who is a PWD case must have a doctor's certificate backing up their claim. Without that, we will not issue medical emer- gency supplies. The doctor's decision in this case car- ries the most weight. Mr.

Speaker: The member for North Island has a supplemental. C. Trevena: I do, Mr. Speaker. I'm very happy to hear that, minister, because I have received a very sad case of a man who is HIV positive, who's receiving a disability benefit. He's on PWD, and his specialist says he needs nutritional items to prevent an imminent danger to life.

He was turned down, and his reconsiderat ion was turned down, the reconsideration officer stating that the doctor's assess- ment "has not confirmed that your severe medical con- dition causes a chronic, progressive deterioration of health." I would like to hear from the minister how an imminent danger to life is not a deterioration of some- one's health. Hon. C. Richmond: In all of these cases, they are much more complicated than are usually laid out by the member. I appreciate that the member has concerns about these cases; we all do. But they only hear one side of the case.

If the member would provide me with the file on this case — I'm not familiar with it, nor can I comment on a specific case — I'd be very happy to look into it. GOVERNMENT ACTION ON CLASS SIZE AND COMPOSITION IN EDUCATION SYSTEM J. Horgan: Last fall we had an unprecedented dis- ruption in our public school system. We learned the lesson, or we should have learned the lesson, that class size and class composition are vitally important to stu- d e n t s , t o t e a c h e r s a n d t o p a r e n t s . M y q u e s t i o n , a f t e r four months, is a simple one.

To the acting Premier or the acting Minister of Education, and perhaps to the Minister of Labour: what substantial effort has the gov- ernment put into resolving this problem? Hon. M. de Jong: It's a good story, and I appreciate the member asking the question. We have seen un- precedented levels of engagement between the em- ployer, school boards, teachers, parents. The round table is up; it's functioning. The conversation… Interjection. Mr. Speaker: Member. Hon. M. de Jong: …is taking place. The discussion is occurring.

There is a strategy being developed, and for the first time in the history of the province we've got the data. We actually know how many students there are in classrooms. We actually know where school boards are abiding by the requirements set out at law and where they're not. While there is still a great deal of work to take place, I would think that all members of the chamber would, at this point in time, be celebrating the fact that the conver- sation, the discussion is occu rring and that at last we have the data to make the necessary improvements. [End of question period.] Tabling Documents Mr.

Speaker: Hon. members, I have the honour to present the Office of the Auditor General Service Plan 2006-2007–2008-2009. [1455] Hon. M. de Jong: By leave, I'm about to move the notice of motion which has the effect of splitting the Committee of Supply into two Houses, into Committee A and Committee B. I should, for their information, in advance of making that motion, by leave, alert mem- bers to the fact that after conversations with the Oppo- sition House Leader, the estimates debates that com- prise the Committee of Supply will begin on Monday.

The Opposition House Leader and I have had an initial conversation about the three estimates debates that will take place in this chamber. There may be more, but certainly those three at a minimum. With that, Mr. Speaker, I would make, by leave, the motion that has the effect of authorizing the Committee of Supply to sit in two sections designated

Section A and

Section B. Leave granted. Motions without Notice COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY TO SIT IN TWO SECTIONS [Be it resolved that this House hereby authorizes the Committee of Supply for this Session to sit in two sec- tions designated

Section A and

Section B;

Section A to sit in such Committee Room as may be appointed from time to time, and

Section B to sit in the Chamber of the As- sembly, subject to the following rules: 1. The Standing Orders applicable to the Committee of the Whole House shall be applicable in both Sections of the Committee of Supply save and except that in

Section A, a Minister may defer t o a Deputy Minister to permit such Deputy to reply to a question put to the Minister. 2. Subject to paragraph 3, within one sitting day of the passage of this Motion, the House Leader of the Official Opposition may advise the Government House Leader, in writing, of three ministerial Estimates which the Offi- cial Opposition requires to be considered in

Section B of

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2555 the Committee of Supply, and upon receipt of such no- tice in writing, the Government House Leader shall con- firm in writing that the said three ministerial Estimates shall be considered in

Section B of the Committee of Supply. 3. All Estimates shall stand referred to

Section A, save and except those Estimates which shall be referred to Sec- tion B under the provisions of paragraph 2 of this Order and such other Estimates as shall be referred to

Section B on motion by the Government House Leader, which mo- tion shall be governed by the provisions of Standing Or- der 60A. Practice Recommendation #6 relating to Con- sultation shall be applicable to this rule. 4.

Section A shall consist of 18 Members, being 11 Mem- bers of the B.C. Liberal Party and 7 Members of the New Democratic Party. In addition, the Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole, or his or her nominee, shall preside over the debates in

Section A. Substitution of Members will be permitted to

Section A with the consent of that Member's Whip, where applicable, otherwise with the consent of the Member involved. For the second ses- sion of the Thirty-eighth Parliament, the Members of Sec- tion A shall be as follows: the Minister whose Estimates are under consideration and Messrs. Cantelon, Hayer, Horning, Krueger, Lee, Lekstrom, MacKay, Nuraney and Yap and Ms. Polak and Ms. Roddick, Messrs. Bains, Chouhan, Cubberley, Evans, Farnworth, Fraser and Ms. Conroy. 5. At fifteen minutes prior to the ordinary time fixed for adjournment of the House, the Chair of

Section A will report to the House. In the event such report includes the last vote in a particular ministerial Estimate, after such report has been made to the House, the Government shall have a maximum of eight minutes, and the Official Opposition a maximum of five minutes, and all other Members (cumulatively) a maximum of three minutes to summarize the Committee debate on a particular minis- terial Estimate completed, suc h s u m m a r i e s t o b e i n t h e following order:

(1) Other Members;

(2) Opposition; and

(3) Government. 6.

Section B shall be composed of all Members of the House. 7. Divisions in

Section A will be signalled by the ringing of the division bells four times. 8. Divisions in

Section B will be signalled by the ringing of the division bells three times at which time proceed- ings in

Section A will be suspended until completion of the division in

Section B. 9.

Section A is hereby authorized to consider Bills re- ferred to Committee after second reading thereof and the Standing Orders applicable to Bills in Committee of the Whole shall be applicable to such Bills during considera- tion thereof in

Section A, and for all purposes

Section A shall be deemed to be a Committee of the Whole. Such referrals to

Section A shall be made upon motion without notice by the Minister responsible for the Bill, and such motion shall be decided without amendment or debate. Practice Recommendation #6 relating to Consultation shall be applicable to all such referrals. 10. Bills or Estimates previously referred to a designated Committee may at any stage be subsequently referred to another designated Committee on motion of the Gov- ernment House Leader or Minister responsible for the Bill as hereinbefore provided by Rule Nos. 3 and 9.] Motion approved. Orders of the Day Hon. M. de Jong: I call continued debate on the budget.

Budget Debate (continued) Hon. C. Richmond: It is a privilege to take my place in this budget debate, and like all of the rest of the members, I consider it an honour. In fact, every time I enter this chamber, I realize how privileged I am to be here. So few people ever get the chance to do what we do. I believe it numbers a little over 800 since this place started, so we are indeed privileged to have been elected to serve our constituents. [S. Hawkins in the chair.] I wish to thank the people of Kamloops for sending me here again to represent and serve them, and I will do so to the best of my ability.

Before I get into the meat of the budget, however, I would like to make a few comments regarding some of the statements by the members opposite. The member for Malahat–Juan de Fuca admonished us yesterday about the role of the oppositi on, and he did it in a very pleasant way. I don't take o ffence at it, because he's my friend. He told me he was. Whether I like it or not, he's my friend. He did it in a very engaging way. Most of us have been here long enough to know what the opposi- tion's role is. He went on to ask u s to stop rem inding people of the '90s.

Well, my friend, it's our role to do just that, especially when your recollections of those ten years differ from ours. The member for Alberni-Qualicum in his opening remarks said some things that I think cannot be left unchallenged. He made the claim that things in the '90s were really good under the NDP, such as the employ- ment and balanced budgets. He even mentioned the minimum wage. I would say to him that I don't think it really matters what the minimum wage is if you're unemployed. Does it matter whether you're unem- ployed at $6 an hour, $8 an hour or $10 an hour? I don't think so.

I don't know where he was during the '90s, because he had not yet been elected to this place. I certainly can't believe that he was here, because I remember a decade when we had double-digit unemployment, as high as 16 percent in the interior, and a debt that was spiralling out of control. In fact, it doubled in the ten years they were in office. I think he conveniently for- gets the 375,000 people that were on welfare during the '90s. I recall tradespeople leaving our province in droves to find work.

I remember a mining industry that was literally put out of business, a forest industry that was on its knees due to high stumpage rates to pay for For- est Renewal B.C. and the onerous Forest Practices Code. I also remember the jobs and timber accord that was going to create thousands of jobs.

2556 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 [1500] They also forget, I think, that during the '90s the rest of the country was enjo ying pretty good economic times. So in 2001, contrary to the member for Alberni- Qualicum, we inherited a fiscal mess, not balanced budgets as he claims. The words "structural deficit" come to mind. We had to take some drastic measures to put this province back on a sound fiscal footing, which we have done. We ha ve a positive, progressive budget that is truly balanced.

We have a surplus with which to enhance programs and pay our employees the kind of wages they deserve. Hon. member, you will not convince anyone who lived through the dismal decade that everything was wonderful. It was a disaster. Then there was the member for Cariboo South, who put out a news release. I'm not quite sure what it was designed to do, but I'm sure it frightened a lot of peo- ple when he spoke about things that he only imagined. I'm sure he can do much better than that. I want to talk for just a moment about how this budget impacts working men and women throughout this province.

It's a positive, forward-looking budget m a d e p o s s i b l e b y a r o b u s t e c o n o m y . I t b e n e f i t s t h o s e who need it most: the working people, children and seniors. First there is the increase to the homeowner grant for seniors — for everyone. I just want to find the exact number. The basic homeowner grant will increase by 22 percent to $570, the first increase in the grant amount since 1993. The grant for seniors, disabled peo- ple and veterans will increase to $845 from $745. So to say that it doesn't benefit or dinary people in this prov- ince is just not correct.

Let me read out a couple of things right from the budget: $421 million to enhance programs and services for children; $400 million to expand skills and training opportunities; and $733 million in tax reductions over four years, approximately two-thirds of which will benefit individuals. These are the working people of the province. So when we hear from the other side that it does nothing to benefit ordinary British Columbians, it's just not true. We have a surplus, as I said.

One dollar out of every two in that surplus will go to the working peo- ple, the people who work for the government and pro- vide the services we all n eed. I don't think they will convince anyone who lived through this decade that everything was wonderful. All this is possible because of the vision of this gov- ernment under the leadership of the Premier. Thanks to the policies we introduced and the path we have set for British Columbia, we rank highest among the provinces with a job growth rate last year of 3.8 percent, more than double the national average of 1.4 percent.

Since Decem- ber 2001 B.C. has created almost 275,000 jobs. More than 90 percent are full-time jobs. They are in B.C.'s leading industries of manufacturing, construction and exports, and we're continuing to perform impressively. This incredible job growth has no doubt contrib- uted to B.C. having the fastest employment growth. In fact, our unemployment rate of only 5.1 percent is the lowest since 1976. In my own riding of Kamloops I am particularly pleased because our community has the lowest unemployment rate in the province at only 4.1 percent. Let me hark back to April 2001 when it was 14.1 percent.

It is now 4.1 percent, the lowest in the province. What a difference — a difference that has moved us to the threshold of the golden decade and a whole new age of prosperity. You can feel the excitement if you travel around the province. All you have to do is walk down the main street of my hometown, and you can feel the excite- ment and the positive attitude people have towards their future. They're telling me how excited they are about it and how they're looking forward with confi- dence for the first time in a long time.

You can see it manifest in the home-building boom that is taking place in Kamloops. [1505] Thanks to the fiscal responsibility of this govern- ment we now have the means to invest in our future. In fact, we've been able to plan for not just one year, two years or three years at a time, but for a whole decade. This year the 2006-2007 budget for the Ministry of Em- ployment and Income Assist ance is more than $1.35 billion.

It's an increase of more than 6.5 percent over last year, an increase that means we'll be able to con- tinue to meet the needs of British Columbia's most vul- nerable citizens in more than 100 offices around the province while continuing to improve our services to make a real difference in people's lives. At the heart of this ministry is our care and concern for the well-being of all British Columbians and their children. They are the future, as we all know.

With this budget, we're able to prov ide the programs and ser- vices to make a real difference in the lives of B.C. fami- lies and allow our youngest citizens to build futures they can be proud of. I just want to take a few minutes to give you a few statistics that I think are really worth putting on the record. The province's economy has really soared in the last two years, and most of the figures that people quote, from the opposite side, especially…. The mem- ber for Esquimalt-Metchosin spoke of child poverty. Well, first of all, their figures are two and a half years out of date.

A lot has happened in British Columbia in the last two and a half years. In the mid-90s an astounding 135,000 children were in families on income assistance. More than 10 percent of the child population, or one in seven children, were in families who were on income assistance. In Decem- ber 2005 there were 35,000 children on income assis- tance, down by 100,000 to 3 percent of the child popu- lation, or only one in 30 — so from one in seven in the 90's to one in 30 at the moment who are in families who are on income assistance.

I don't think we could do better for children than to make sure that their parents have a job and are earning a good living. B.C. has the best health care system in Canada, as we've just been told, and it's excellent for children. So we do care about what happens to children. In low-

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2557 income families they receive free basic dental and opti- cal services. There are no MSP charges for a family of four with a net income of less than $29,000 a year — an increase of $4,000 in this threshold. We significantly increased the income thre shold for receiving a full child care subsidy from $21, 000 to $38,000, raising sub- sidies for about 6,000 B.C. kids and making 6,500 more eligible for subsidy support. We reduced or eliminated provincial income taxes for about 730,000 British Co- lumbians.

So when I hear from the other side that we've done nothing for the middle class, as I heard this morning, I think they're looking right in the face of statistics and facts that say otherwise: reduced or eliminated income taxes for about 730,000 British Columbians, providing substantial relief for low-income families. In fact, in the bottom two income tax brackets people in British Co- lumbia pay the lowest income tax of anyone in Canada. I want to just quote a few more of the items from the budget that we are doing for children.

It provides an additional $421 million over four years to help ensure the we ll-being of vulnerable chil- dren: $72 million to add more social workers and other front-line staff; $100 million to enhance the child pro- tection system, targeting early intervention services so the safety and well-being of children can be ensured in their families and communities; $34 million to increase funding for phase 2 of the child and youth mental health plan; $36 million to reduce wait-lists for services to children and youth with special needs; $31 million in additional support to implem ent five regional aborigi- nal child and family development service authorities; $2 million for the crystal meth secretariat to integrate and coordinate efforts to combat the production and use of crystal methamphetamines; $112 million in addi- tional funding for K-to-12 education; $4 million to double the school startup supplement, the first increase since 1993. [1510] So when I hear that we're not doing anything for children, I'm sure that the members opposite have not read the budget.

I think we all recognize that one of the best ways of helping children on income assistance is to make sure that their parents have good jobs — in other words, to help them break free from the cycle of poverty. We know children in working families are better off than those supported by income assistance. They do better in school, and they do better later on as adults in the job market. That's why we're investing over $70 million a year in employment programs, programs that we continue to develop and improve to best meet the needs of British Columbians on our caseload.

When I think about our employment programs, I remember one of our former clients, a single mother of two in New Westminster who had been cycling on and off income assistance for the last decade. Through our job placement contractor, we helped this woman get a good job as an administrative assistant at Vancouver International Airport's new terminal. Normally, we don't expect letters of thanks — it's really thanks enough to see British Columbians living happy and fulfilling lives — but this woman wrote us. She said: "This is the most amazing job I've had in years. I love this job.

I was consistently treated with fairness and respect, and I am proof that the system works." The system does work. It works very well. To date, more than 44,000 of our clients have been placed di- rectly into jobs — good jobs like painters, security offi- cers and hotel desk clerks. We've encouraged thou- sands more to find jobs on their own — in fact, over 112,000 British Columbians no longer rely on income assistance, including 48,000 B.C. children in those fami- lies. This gives us the reso urces to provide some extra support and services that really make a difference in people's lives.

We know that low-income families can use addi- tional supports. That's pr ecisely why we've enhanced our Healthy Kids dental and optical coverage for low- income families: because we are committed to the health of B.C.'s children. It's also why we eliminated the provincial income taxes for about 730,000 British Columbians. Now we are able to double the school startup al- lowance to help clients with the extra costs of sending k i d s t o s c h o o l a n d t o e n s u r e B . C . ' s c h i l d r e n h a v e t h e tools and supports they need to succeed in the class- room.

There is another group of British Columbians we've made a commitment to, and that's our most vulnerable citizens: people with disabi lities. These are the people who now make up the majority of the ministry's caseload. In fact, the number of persons with disabili- ties on our caseload has risen by 36 percent since 2001. We made building the best system of supports for people with disabilities one of our government's five great goals, and one we always said we would achieve with a balanced budget.

Yesterday I had the privilege of chairing the minister's council for people with dis- abilities, and it was heartening to see these people, first of all, realize that they're now being included in our society. We're not just making our society accessible to them; we're including them. About three weeks ago I had the good fortune of presiding at a little ceremony out in Saanich put on by the Triumph group, one of ou r service providers. They work with people with disabilities.

The occasion was the placement of their 1,000th client into a job — the 1,000th person with a disability by this one service provider into a job. [1515] It was really a great event to see. Not only was it heartening to see this pers on performing a valuable service, an employer who un derstood this person, but when he got up to speak…. When he finished — let me put it that way — there wasn't a dry eye in the place. Even the hardened journalists and cameramen said they were touched by his story.

To put it in his words, and I'm paraphrasing: "I was on the scrapheap of life until somebody saw that there was something good in me somewhere and gave me that hand up and that assistance to get back into the workforce."

2558 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 He credits his wife, and he thanked God, but he credits two people more than anyone else: his service worker, who saw something in him and had faith in him, and the employer who hired him. I just say to anyone out there who's watching: if you're an em- ployer and you're able to hire someone with a disabil- ity, please do so. They will not only brighten your life, but you'll have the most loyal employee that you ever had in your company.

Maybe some day you could have a little ceremony to celebrate the fact that you have some disabled people working for you, and you'll feel good about it, and so will they. The other thing that was heartening yesterday at our meeting of the council of disabilities was the fact that the mayor of Vancouver, His Worship Sam Sullivan, was there and took the Olympic flag. It really was the high- light, I think, of Canada's presentation at the Olympics. It was really heartening to see, but especially heartening for people with disabilities to see that man on the stage with the flag in his wheelchair and waving it around.

Sam, we can't thank you enough for that. You really stole the show, and we're lo oking forward to seeing you at 2010. We're also looking to see a lot of people, because we tend to forget the latter part of the Olympics. We say the Olympics and the Paralympics, and we tend to forget that. But these people don't. They look forward very much to that, and I'm with them.

If we can possi- bly do it, we would like to see some of the Paralympics included, as a demonstration if nothing else, right in the Olympic Games so that people, when they're watching by the billions, can see these people even in a demonstration sport. I know they'll have to get the venues ready, and it'll take ten days and all that. But they could do a demon- stration. So we're going to work very hard to see that we move past accessibility and move to inclusion. We want these people included in what we do in our lives.

We invested an extra $55 million a year to increase disability assistance by $70 a month last year — now up to $856 each month — benefiting more than 70,000 people with disabilities. This was the largest increase in the history of the province, making B.C.'s disability rates the highest income assistance rate in the province and the third-highest in Canada. Many people with disabilities have told me how important it is to them to have an opportunity to work or volunteer in their communities.

That's why we're investing $21 million in specialized employment pro- grams just for them to allow them to work or volunteer as they are able. To boost their opportunities, we cre- ated the Minister's Council on Employment for Persons with Disabilities to enco urage and support employers to hire people. We established a $20 million Disability Supports for Employment Fund, providing more than $1 million each year to organizations to help those with disabili- ties in the workplace.

We'v e also, as promised, raised the earnings exemption for persons with disabilities and persistent multiple barriers to $500 a month, the third increase since we came into office in 2001. The earnings exemption means persons with dis- abilities have the opportunity to have an income of $1,356 each month in addition to their full support and shelter support they receive from us. Similarly, persons with persistent multiple barriers can now have an in- come of $1,108 each month.

People with disabilities have told us the earnings exemption has gone a long way in helping them pursue their employment goals and achieve greater personal and financial independ- ence. We want British Columbians with disabilities to enjoy opportunities in the workforce, confident in the knowledge that our programs and services will con- tinue to support them. It's clear from the extent of these services and supports across the government that all British Columbians are benefi ting from our strong and promising economy.

That's why it is really a special pleasure for me to stand and respond to this budget today. [1520] I haven't managed to hit all of the places where the budget benefits people in British Columbia, particu- larly in my area, where tradespeople right now are so hard to find. You can hard ly hire a carpenter, a p l u m b e r o r a n e l e c t r i c i a n . S o I ' m h a p p y t o s a y t h a t we're investing $400 million more over four years into skills and training, because we're certainly going to need them. We need them right now.

We had an excellent round table up there on the economy and small business, thanks to the Minister of Small Business and Revenue. He came up, and we had an excellent round table and listened to the people's concerns and challenges that t h e y h a v e i n h i r i n g p e o - ple. To quote the minister, it's managing success. Or we could put it another way: they're positive problems that we have now. We have jobs chasing people instead of people chasing jobs.

The hospitality industry in my area — and it's probably true around the rest of the province — has a very difficult job hiring pe ople, because everyone is working. We have people coming right onto job sites, trying to poach tradespeople away from other builders by offering them $5 an hour more to come and work for them. What a change from 2001, when we had an unemployment rate of 14.1 percent. We're now at 4.1 percent. I see there was a quote today from an economist with the Central Credit Union. He was talking about the growth in new jobs in the Kamloops-Kelowna mar- kets.

He said they will soar to close to 20,000 for this year. He said: "Total employment last year was 244,000." This is in the inte rior. "Our change in em- ployment last year was 14,000. We're forecasting an additional 10,000 jobs this year and 9,000 next year." Listen to this. He says that the unemployment rate is expected to fall in the Thompson-Okanagan region this year to 3.7 percent; 3.7 percent is what he's predict- ing for the unemployment rate. I don't think it's ever been so low. Somebody dug out a quote from the Leader of the Opposition, who at that time was not…. Yes, she was.

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2559 The Leader of the Opposition in Surrey in September 2003 said: "What do we need to do to stimulate the economy? We need to get people back to work. It's jobs that are going to fix this pr ovince." That quote is from the Leader of the Oppositi on in 2003, and I think she was right. It is jobs that are going to fix this province, and that's exactly what we've done. We have more people working now in British Columbia than at any time in our history and an unemployment rate that is lower than has ever been recorded since they started keeping statistics.

That's why it is a real pleasure for me to stand and respond to this budget and to support this budget. This is truly the dawn of a golden decade for B.C. I firmly believe that, and as the Finance Minister said, this is only the second budget out of five that this government will bring in, in this mandate. If we don't see quite everything we want to see in this budget, just wait, folks. Stay tuned to this station, as we used to say in the broadcast industry. For people who can work, there are jobs. For children and low- income families, there are extra resources for a brighter future.

For people with disabilities, there are greater supports and opportunities. For all of us, there is pros- perity in communities throughout British Columbia. Madam Speaker, I support this budget, and I thank you very much. M. Sather: Madam Speaker, the Premier says that he wants a discussion on health care and that no one should be concerned or fear ful about this discussion — that it is only that: a discussion. The member for Maple Ridge–Mission actually said that I should be ashamed for having any questions about this discussion we're about to have.

Members on th is side of the House and people in this province are concerned about the direc- tion of health care under this government. They're con- cerned that this government is indeed intent upon fur- ther privatizing our health care system. [1525] The Premier, I understand, is now on a tour of countries in Europe, including the United Kingdom, Sweden, Norway and France. I do hope that when he goes to Norway, if he has not already been there, that he has some lutefisk while he's there. I can tell you that it is a fine Norwegian dish that I used to enjoy often as a young man.

Having it with a bit of mashed potatoes and melted butter and flatbread — there's nothing that can beat it. Even though it may turn your cutlery blue, it's definitely a health food. I'll be talking to the Premier when he comes back to see if he did enjoy a little lute- fisk in Norway. Dr. Vertesi, the Premier's brother-in-law and chief a d v i s o r , a s w e k n o w , i s o n t h i s t r i p w i t h h i m . T h e Health Minister has been dr opped from the itinerary. The Health Minister says that he must stay here in Brit- ish Columbia to look after the needs of our health care system here.

We will take him on his word about that, because there definitely is work to be done. Dr. Vertesi has determined that he will steer the Premier away from seeing the wrong things. I'm won- dering if Dr. Vertesi was afraid the Premier might no- tice that the social assistance program in Sweden is far more sustaining than ours. Or he might notice that dental care in Norway is covered by the public medical plan. The Premier wants to update, as he says, the Can- ada Health Act. The government wants to add the re- quirement of sustainability to the Canada Health Act.

The Premier says that our health care system — in fact, the health care system throughout Canada — is not sustainable. He has mentioned the World Health Or- ganization rating of Canada as being 30th amongst nations in terms of health care. However, it should be observed that the World Health Organization used a number of determinants in that study that they no longer use. To the best of my knowledge, they haven't put out a study since that time rating countries with regard to health care. How unsustainable is our health care system, and how does it compare with those of the U.K., Norway, Sweden and France?

Our ag ing population is often cited as a growing cause of instability or unsustainabil- ity in our system. All of us that are, I guess, the aging baby-boomers are somehow thought to be responsible, at least in considerable part, for the burden that is de- scending upon the health care system. However, stud- ies have shown…. The Conference Board of Canada estimated that aging alone would only account for an increase of 1 percent in health care costs per year.

Canadians and British Columbians pay higher co- payments and deductibles for prescription drugs and health services outside of the Canada Health Act — the so-called ancillary services such as chiropractor, physiotherapy and massage. This results in Canadians and British Columbians having to pay a higher per- centage of out-of-pocket payments than they do in the United Kingdom, Sweden, France and Germany.

The Premier might want to reinstate, perhaps, some of those cut services — the chiropractic services, the physiotherapy services, the massage services — just to even things up a bit with those countries in Europe that he is comparing us to. I mention that the Premier might want to look at the social service system in Sweden, which is far more sustaining than ours.

Perhap s we should have a wide- ranging discussion on the determinants of good health, such as that you need to have a reasonable level of ba- sic necessities in order to remain healthy — such as a pair of shoes that are ordered by your doctor to keep your feet dry, for your child; such as dentures to chew your food rather than being offered a blender. [1530] The drive to further privatize our health care sys- tem is curious in one respect: public health care is actu- ally a major advantage to business.

Having to provide private health care coverage for the basics that are cov- ered by medicare is much more expensive for business. Why, then, would the government want to privatize? Why would they want to increase privatization of health care? There's no doubt, at least on this side of the House, that that is the intent of this government.

2560 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 I think the answer is th is. This government is driven by the notion that th e private sector should pre- vail as much as possible. You will recall, Madam Speaker, that when this government was first elected in 2001, they said to the people of British Columbia that they would look into everythi ng that didn't need to be delivered by government.

Since that time they have gone on to give away more and more publicly adminis- tered services to the private sector — hospital cleaning, laundry services, food services, administration of the Medical Services Plan by Maximus, the B.C. NurseLine, and on and on it goes. Although medicare gives business an advantage, this government would like to see the private sector deliver health care and the consumers pick up the tab in the form of increased fees to access that service. Just ask the Cambie Surgery Centre, where it costs those that use this service over $1,000 a year to access it.

The Premier says that everything the government does will be within the Cana da Health Act, but at the same time, he wants to bring in more private health care and update the Canada Health Act to remove im- pediments to privatization. That's a nice little game the Premier has going. The Premier is going to visit some countries in Europe, because it's widely recognized in Canada that American health care results in tens of millions of citi- zens without basic care and is not a good model.

The Premier needs to remember, and the government needs to recognize, that we don't live next to Sweden, Nor- way, France, the United Kingdom. We live next to the United States, and that has an important bearing on the situation here. We have a North American Free Trade Agreement within the United States, Canada and Mexico but, of course, no such agreement with European countries. This changes the dynamics co nsiderably for our health care system. The exemption for health care under NAFTA — and there presumably is one — depends on a fully public system delivered on a non-commercial basis.

Once privatized, Canada can no longer claim national treatment for our health care system. This would give the right to U.S. for-profit health care corporations to set up in Canada. Subsequent challenges to the Canada Health Act would likely be held under a secret NAFTA tribunal, not the Supreme Court of Canada. Once established in Canada, these countries could sue for compensation if we try to regain control of health care. NAFTA has no ongoing amending process, unlike other agreements under the World Trade Or- ganization. To that degree, it is a locked-in agreement.

It would require the agreemen t of all three countries to unlock the provisions of NAFTA. For example, chal- lenges that our health care services are exempt under NAFTA — that is, if they remain in public hands — would depend on our success in the dispute settlement processes. Members will know the difficulties we've had under that process with regard to the softwood lumber dispute, and understandably, British Columbi- ans don't have a lot of faith in it, at least at this particu- lar time.

Within days of the Supreme Court decision limiting Quebec's right to limit private health care, American corporations announced their intention of moving into Canada using their rights under international trade law. These corporations are looking at primary care, which is what we receive from our doctor in our doc- tor's office, as well as acute care and hospital services. They would join for-profit health care corporations already operating in British Columbia — Maximus, Sodexho, Compass. [1535] Dr. Jacques Chaoulli is the Montreal doctor who launched the Supreme Cour t ruling, as we know.

A longtime advocate of privatized medicare, Dr. Chaoulli went to the United States shortly after the ruling. He was quoted as saying: "I would like to make a team with American entrepreneur s and go to Canada and create a private, parallel health care system." This is the same thinking that is behi nd the actions of this gov- ernment — selling off public health care services to the private sector. User fees are a hot topic in the health care discus- sion. I'm sure that the Premier is talking to people in Sweden at this time about user fees. However, in Swe- den health and social welfare are considered one.

Every- one is entitled to generous sick benefits. Parents are entitled to 12 months' leave after the birth of a child. Publicly funded day care is provided. Dental care is covered for all children. Private health care is far more generous than we enjoy here. User fees in Sweden and France are differentiated from ours by the wider and more accessible basket of health services in those countries. Patient satisfaction in physician choice is high in Fr ance. User fees in B.C., on the other hand, are co-occurri ng with cuts to services for seniors and the poor.

One of the stated benefits of user fees is that they discourage frivolous use of the system. Although this has intuitive appeal, ther e are unintended conse- quences. Studies have shown that while user fees re- duce physician visits, hospital visits increase. If you're not going to your doctor to get your blood pressure tested, you're more likely to end up in hospital. In other words, preventative care can suffer. There is overwhelming evidence that user fees put the heaviest burden on the poor and impede their access to neces- sary health care even when low-income exemptions are in place.

There are serious problems in this province with senior care, as we know. We've heard many of those problems discussed in this House with the minister with regard to the placement of seniors in care homes. The minister says these are unique events and not in- dicative of current delivery of health care. In fact, as has been pointe d out by this side of the House, the government's first-bed policy is directly linked to these tragedies. The government has bragged in recent years about how they have eliminated wait- lists for seniors care homes.

However, health care workers are certainly aware that they have to priori- tize. They have to have a wait-list.

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2561 However, what the government has really done with the first-bed policy is to say: "You, senior, get the tap on the shoulder. You're being sent to the first bed available, and off you go. You may be placed in your community, or you may be placed a long distance from y ou r comm unity . It m atters not.

You r spou se of 50 or 60 years may not have the means or capability to visit you regularly, but it matters not." If you refuse, or your family refuses, you're not put to the bottom of the unofficial list; you're taken off the list, according to what Fraser Health Authority officials told us last week. This draconian and uncaring policy brings great shame upon this government.

The government says that we should not question their intentions for health care, but when one looks at how uncaringly this government has treated one sector of our society — that being our seniors — and at how their health care and the sanctity of their families is given such short shrift, it is clear that the shame rests with this government. I would be remiss and our cau- cus would be remiss if we did not question intently the intentions of this government when it comes to health care. [1540] The government says that it doesn't matter who de- livers the service, as long as the public pays.

The mem- ber for Bulkley Valley–Stikine mentioned last week, I believe it was, that when one is lying in the hospital bed in need of services, you don't question that. True enough, but we must look at the broader picture and not only when we're lying in that hospital bed. An extensive study by McMaster University, that I think the government is aware of, found that in private hospitals adult mortality was 2 percent higher and in- fant mortality was 10 percent higher than in public hospitals.

At that rate if all Canadian hospitals were private, there would be 2,200 more deaths — which is greater than the number that die from colon cancer, suicide and car accidents. So it is a significant differ- ence. Similar results were found in studies of care homes. A likely cause of this differential is that private hospitals tend to have fewer and more poorly trained staff and greater staff turnover. We've seen that with the privatization that's ha ppened with our cleaning services in the hospitals. We heard members of the government say a number of years ago that those workers didn't deserve $17 to $23 an hour.

Knowing that, the going rate for housecleaning, at least where I live, is about $20. How can it be that a person that cleans a house is worth $20 an hour, but someone that's cleaning our hospitals, making sure that diseases are not inadvertently spread, is not worthy of that remu- neration? Studies have also shown that private nursing homes spend less money on food. Outsourcing of food services has been a big problem in British Columbia.

In my constituency at the Ridge Meadows Hospital since last fall the Fraser Health Authority, with the blessing I'm sure of this government, has instituted a re- thermalized food system. My office has been inundated with complaints about this sy stem since that time. It's bad enough for people that are in hospital for a short time, but it's tragic for those who are in the care homes and are having to receive these unpalatable meals every day.

The Fraser Health Authorit y has told me that they're not saving any money, at least at this point, on this in- troduction of re-thermalized food, so one doesn't see any incentive there for it. They have also told me that the nutritional value of this food is significantly impor- tant, and that is one of the reasons for doing it. Yet when I asked for information on that, the FHA told me that the information they got in fact was from the manufacturers.

The minister, in announcing his audit of health food services in hospitals, mentioned that there will be a study of the nutritional value, but it won't be done for almost two years — at the end of 2007. We're told by this government that the delivery of health care ser vice s private ly is m ore eff ic ie nt. In fac t, the public health care system is more efficient than the private system.

Economies of scale in the larger public system reduce paperwork and lower transaction costs, and drug costs can be reduced through reference-based pricing, which Madam Speaker will note that this gov- ernment has maintained from the previous administra- tion. What is happening is that private delivery services are creaming off the services that can be more inexpen- sively provided on a volume basis — such as cataract surgery or hernia operatio ns.

However, if something goes wrong with a patient in one of those private clinics, they go back to the public health care system, and there is no way for the public system to recover those costs. The government has a good privatization gig going here.

They bring in privat e delivery and say they're saving the taxpayers bundles of money through effi- ciencies, but then refuse to provide the public with the facts because the private contracts contain proprietary business information. [1545] In the case of my constituency, I have asked the Fraser Health Authority three times for information on the economics around th e introduction of re- thermalized food, and I've been assured that I will re- ceive that — soon, I will hope. The Premier says that we're going to have a discus- sion about health care, and there's no cause for con- cern. It's only a discussion.

The Minister of Health per- haps rather dangerously paraphrased Chairman Mao the other day in saying: "Let a thousand flowers blos- som. Let a thousand ideas prevail." The minister should be aware that after Mao launched those famous words that preceded the Cultural Revolution, he quickly decided that a free discussion of ideas was not such a good idea, and he mo ved to rather harshly and dramatically reassert absolute control of the state. It may be that the Premier or perhaps Dr.

Vertesi is having some thoughts that the Minister of Health may be backsliding into previous, unhealthy, undesirable ways of thinking. They may want to institute some thought reform for the minist er. I hope that they don't

2562 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES T UESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 act precipitously, as the minister has commented ear- lier. We can only hope that the minister is going to fare better than those other unfortunate intellectuals who took Mao at his word. Hon. R. Thorpe: It's a pleasure to rise in the House today to speak about the balanced budget of 2006, a budget that gives British Columbians growing confi- dence. One of the things th at our Premier has recently said is: "With our government, we're going to lead. We're going to build.

We're going to show the rest of the world what you can do with a province like British Columbia." In fact, this balanced budget of 2006 is yet another result of all the hard work that British Colum- bians, working together with their government, have achieved since 2001. This balanced budget will result in more social workers and other front-line workers to support and improve the services for our families at risk and our children with special needs. Also, this budget gives the highest level of funding ever, on a per-student basis, in the history of British Columbia.

The new investments we are making are very affordable for British Columbi- ans, and we believe very strongly that the result will be the ongoing growth and development of our very, very strong economy. We've also in this budget introduced tax changes to make sure that both individuals and small businesses — and others — remain competitive and that our tax system is fair. We've also in this budget laid out a $6 billion fund for compensation for increases to the em- ployees and public servants who serve British Colum- bia so well. This budget is very bold. It has vision, and yet again, it demonstrates leadership.

I have the privilege of representing Okanagan- Westside. In the communities that I represent, we al- ways work in partnership. We work in partnership with the elected officials in our communities to achieve the goals that we want to achieve on behalf of our citi- zens and our communities. [1550] I'd like to acknowledge some new leadership within the Okanag an. I'd like to congratulate Mayor Sharon Shepherd in Kelown a, Dr. David Gregory in Summerland, Mr. Graham Reid in Peachland, and the three directors on the Westside, which I represent, for their re-election.

I'd also acknowledge the excellent leadership and community involvement of the West- bank First Nation under the leadership of Chief Robert Louie and his council. Together we are able to establish our priorities and to move on the things that are important for our com- munities, whether it be increased health care for our citizens, our children — in my case, my grandchildren — and, of course, our patients. With respect to education, over the last month and a half I've had the opportunity to visit teachers in their schools, to be in the classroom with students.

I would like to thank all of the teachers, the administration and the students at Peachland Elementary for the day I spent in their grade four–grade five class. Then to an- other half-day I spent in Summerland Middle School with grades six, seven and eight…. Those are actually very inspiring experiences and ones that I treasure, because you get to see the dedica- tion of our teachers, of our educators, of our adminis- trators. You see the youth, and you see the excitement of our youth.

To me — as my assistant at home, Mike Reed, knows — when I can spend time in the school versus any other things that I do as an MLA, that makes my day. It makes my year, and I'm full of ex- citement when we have the opportunity to do it. This budget, Growing with Confidence , is our second budget in a series of five budgets that we will release and bring forward to all British Columbians before the next election. It's about our future, as we may recall — although listening to the oppo sition from time to time, they seem to have short memories.

Our financial update in September focused on in- creased services and benefits to our seniors, to those British Columbians that have worked so very, very hard to build the province that we have. This budget focuses in on our children. It talks about improving and expanding services for our children — in fact, some 421 million new dollars for our children today, tomorrow and in years to come. It also focuses in on — and I will get into further details — skills and training.

As the Ministry Respon- sible for Small Business and Revenue, we are currently in the process of visiting communities throughout Brit- ish Columbia and talking to small business owners and operators. They are telling us that there are tremen- dous opportunities. They are telling us of the success they're having. One of the things they were asking for is: could the government work with them to maybe introduce a tax credit for skills and training?

In fact, this budget does that — $90 million to work with employers and employees and other groups in the province to create opportunities in every community in British Columbia. This budget has over $400 million committed to moving forward on the skills and training initiatives of British Columbia. Of course, we look at the investment with children. We look at the investment in training and skills. We also know, unlike our colleague s over there, that it's important to have a very competitive tax regime, one which actually encourages our best and brightest to stay in British Columbia.

As we've seen, our best and brightest returned to British Columbia after they were driven out in the '90s. Our budget this year introduces competitive tax changes to the total of $733 million, with $483 million of that going to individuals — actually putting the money in individuals' pockets so that they can make decisions. I can tell you that I believe individuals are going to make better decisions every time about how their money should be spent than big, centralized gov- ernment, as my colleagues over there advocate.

Also, the budget introd uces some $250 million for small business and medium-sized businesses so that they can stay competitive. It streamlines and simplifies some of our tax codes.

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2006 B RITISH COLUMBIA DEBATES 2563 [1555] This budget, obviously, is balanced, because our government had committed ourselves — and will al- ways be committed — to balanced budgets and pru- dent, fiscal management. But this budget should give all British Columbians, even those on that side of the House that for some reason do not want British Co- lumbia to be successful…. This budget is actually about growing with confidence in British Columbia.

I did mention that $421 million will go to improve and expand services for children — $72 million to add more social workers and front-line staff, to improve supports for grandparents an d other relatives looking after their children and to increase the transportation allowance for foster parents by 50 percent — the first increase in more than ten years. That is what a strong economy can do. A p p a r e n t l y , o n t h a t s i d e o f t h e H o u s e , t h e y d i d n ' t have a big interest in foster parents and didn't even con- sider increasing the transportation allowance to help those….

Now in British Columbia, because of the growth of our economy, we actually do have choices — choices that we can make to help children and help families. Thirty-four million dollars increased funding for phase two of the child and youth mental health plan to better serve approximately 140,000 children and youth in British Columbia with mental health challenges. This is actually about caring. And $36 million to reduce wait-lists for services to children and youth with spe- cial needs and their families. As I said earlier — and I'm very proud to be a grandfather — my grandson was three years old yes- terday.

Sometimes he acts li ke he's 16, but he's only three. As I watch the development of my grandson and other folks' grandchildren, I think it's really, really im- portant — very important — t h a t w e m a k e s u r e t h a t we have those resources and testing and availability so that our youngsters of to day, our children of tomor- row, our leaders of the future actually can be tested, and we can work with them . We all know, on both sides of this House, that when we can invest in our children at an early age, we all benefit. I know we all can agree on that.

We also are looking at another $100 million to en- hance the child protection system, to target early inter- vention services so that the safety and well-being of our children can be assured in their families and their communities. In this budget we also announced a further $2 mil- lion for the crystal meth secretariat to integrate and coordinate efforts to combat the production and use of crystal meth. I can tell you that I've already had the opportunity to present a $10,000 grant to an organiza- tion in the community of Summerland that cares.

The Summerland Asset Development Initiative is an organization that was formed within the commu- nity, by volunteers in the community, who actually put their own money on the line and signed bank loans so that they could help the youth of the community. I was so pleased and proud to be able to present them the funding with which they'll now move into the next phase of educating and making sure the youth in Summerland are aware of the dangers, the pitfalls and some of the serious ramifications that come from that scourge, crystal meth.

Of course, I mentioned earlier another $112 million for additional funding for K-to-12 education. Again, the highest levels of per-student educati

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