Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 9 December 2004 (45th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLV No. 55)

2004-12-09

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 9 December 2004 (45th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLV No. 55)

2004-12-09

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

December 9, 2004 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV No. 55

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

This afternoon we would like to welcome thirty-nine Level II students from

Botwood Collegiate, in the wonderful District of Exploits. Their visit is a

joint project of their school and the Botwood Boys and Girls Club. They are

accompanied by their chaperons Perry Chippett, Gloria Cooper, and Gloria Evans.

Welcome to the House of Assembly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: This afternoon we have members' statements as follows: the

hon. the Member for the District of Trinity North; the hon. the Member for the

District of Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune; the hon. the Member for the District of

Grand Falls-Buchans; and the hon. the Member for the District of

Carbonear-Harbour Grace.

The hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to congratulate a large group of volunteers in Clarenville for

taking the initiative to organize the first ever Newfoundland and Labrador

Masters Games.

Mr. Speaker, this March, the first two weekends in March of this year, from

Friday, March 4, to Sunday, March 6, and from Friday, March 11, to Sunday, March

13, Clarenville will be playing host to the first ever Newfoundland and Labrador

Masters Games.

These are a set of games that are modeled after the winter and summer games,

for those residents of the Province who are over the age of forty-five. So, Mr.

Speaker, there are many members of this House who have aspired to be new

athletes, and now can have a chance to relive their youth and, once again, lace

on the skates or tie on the skis and to participate in the first ever Masters

Games in Clarenville.

Mr. Speaker, this is a tremendous initiative undertaken by a group of

volunteers who have put a tremendous amount of work into this in the last couple

of months, particularly, getting themselves organized for March, and we expect

to have over 500 participants in each of those weekends, some 1,000 participants

over two weekends, converging on Clarenville, all of whom will be over the age

of forty-five, so there will be lots of Absorbine Jr. and Ben Gay sold for the

following weeks beyond that. I ask any members of this House who fall into that

category of forty-five and over, to get ready and start conditioning themselves.

Mr. Speaker, this is another good example, I think, of how my community has

recognized that growing older is not necessarily a time to slow down. This is an

example of an initiative that fosters healthy aging, and I commend that group of

volunteers for undertaking what we hope to be a start of something that will

continue well into the future.

I say to my colleague, the Minister of Tourism, that he should undertake this

as a departmental initiative and to enshrine this just like we now have the

summer and winter games, but look at our aging population staying active.

I thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LANGDON: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize a distinguished

constituent of mine who passed away on September 19 of this year.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Calvin Buglar began his working career at the Harbour Breton

cottage hospital but soon moved to the Harbour Breton fish plant where he worked

for thirty-eight years until his sudden death at the age of fifty-eight.

Calvin served with the executive of the local union at the plant and, for a

number of years, was the local union president. During his career, he was also

responsible for the Occupational Health and Safety Committee at the plant. At

the time of his death, he was the chief engineer and maintenance manager for the

Harbour Breton facility.

Mr. Speaker, it was well known that Calvin took his job very seriously and

was always present, ensuring the successful operation of the plant.

Some years ago, Calvin was an active member of the Bay d'Espoir-Fortune Bay

Integrated School Board. He also played a vital role in the municipal politics

of Harbour Breton, serving on council from 1977 to 1992 and, during this time,

was mayor of the community for five years. Mr. Speaker, Calvin was the mayor as

we successfully acquired a new arena for Harbour Breton, the first for the

region.

Mr. Speaker, I knew Calvin personally for many years as a friend and as an

individual who dedicated much of his time to the growth and success of his

community.

I ask all members of the House to join me in extending condolences to his

wife Dorothy and their four children.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize a resident of Grand Falls-Windsor who

has accomplished something that no other Newfoundlander or Labradorian has ever

done before.

Mr. Scott Critch, who attended a certification camp in Winnipeg, Manitoba, in

October of this year, has now become the first internationally sanctioned

basketball referee from Newfoundland and Labrador. Just being invited to attend

this camp is considered to be a great honour. Certification is the ultimate

reward.

A regular referee at Memorial University Seahawks basketball games, you may

now be able to find Critch refereeing anywhere on this continent or overseas.

You may even see Mr. Critch going shoulder to shoulder with some of the NBA's

greats in the future.

Mr. Speaker, residents of Grand Falls-Windsor have watched Scott Critch grow

as an official from local league games to provincial competitions, to Varsity

games, and now to the world stage, and we are all so very proud of him.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join me in

congratulating Scott Critch on his recent graduation to the field of

international competition, and extend best wishes for his continued success.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Carbonear-Harbour Grace.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SWEENEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize a truly exceptional young lady who has

recently been awarded an academic prize for exceptional performance.

Mr. Speaker, twenty-one-year-old Anna Robinson from Harbour Grace is the 2005

Rhodes Scholar elect for Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SWEENEY: Mr. Speaker, Anna will begin her studies at the prestigious

by this Rhodes Scholarship.

Anna is presently in the final year of an honours degree program for

Neuroscience at Dalhousie University in Halifax. Mr. Speaker, Anna hopes to

continue her education until she meets her final goal of studying medicine and

becoming a doctor.

Mr. Speaker, Dr. Ann Colbourne of the Rhodes Trust in Newfoundland and

Labrador described Anna as: notable for her quiet campus leadership and diverse

interests, including singing with the Dalhousie Choral Group, hosting her own

student campus radio show, and playing intramural basketball along with numerous

other community activities.

The second of four children, Anna is the daughter of Maureen and George

Robinson of Harbour Grace. Also, Mr. Speaker, Anna graduated first in her class

at Carbonear Collegiate.

Mr. Speaker, the Rhodes Scholarship has been awarded in Newfoundland and

Labrador since 1904 and Miss Robinson is the ninety-seventh Newfoundlander to

win this award.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to join me in

congratulating Anna Robinson of Harbour Grace on being 2005s recipient of a

Rhodes Scholarship.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the people of Newfoundland

and Labrador, and as many members are aware, that

an Act To Amend The Labour

Standards Act, Bill 38, has been passed here in the House of Assembly, making

Compassionate Care Leave available to workers in Newfoundland and Labrador.

This amendment to the Labour Standards Legislation will ensure workers in our

Province have the ability to deal with important family issues and crises

without having to worry about job protection. Compassionate Care Leave will give

employees the time they need to care for a terminally ill family member without

interfering with their employment status.

Mr. Speaker, under Bill 38, employees can take up to eight weeks away from

work to care for a family member who faces a significant risk of death within

approximately a six-month period.

Employees whose workplaces are regulated by the Labour Standards Act and who

take Compassionate Care Leave will be entitled to the same protections that now

exist under legislation for maternity and parental leave. Employees cannot be

disciplined, demoted or dismissed for taking Compassionate Care Leave.

Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, an employee has the right to be reinstated in the

same or comparable position when returning to work and two or more employees can

share the eight weeks of leave to care for the same family member. Employees who

are eligible to receive Employment Insurance benefits may claim those benefits

for up to six weeks.

Mr. Speaker, I believe this change is significant for the women in our

workforce who represent 43 per cent of our full-time workers and 69 per cent of

our part-time workers. Traditionally, women spend more time than men with child

and family care responsibilities and balancing home and work life can be a

difficult challenge. It is my hope that the benefits and job protection provided

with Compassionate Care Leave will have a positive impact on women and improve

their attachment to the workforce.

Mr. Speaker, officials of the Labour Relations Agency consulted with

business, labour and health stakeholders on this issue. I am very pleased to

report that I will support the implementation of Compassionate Care Leave.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank the minister for an advanced copy of her ministerial

statement and to say that yes, it was indeed an honour to be sitting in the

House when

An Act To Amend The Labour Standards Act, Bill 38, was brought before

this House just last week. A great piece of legislation that was brought forth,

and a tremendous amount of work done by the former Administration. When it came

before this House all members concurred with it and agreed unanimously that this

piece of bill would get through the House of Assembly.

I am also pleased to say that, no doubt about it, the people of this Province

will be pleased with this legislation now knowing that they do not have the

concerns about their employment status when they stay at home to care for

terminally and gravely ill members of the family. I also agree with the

minister, the tremendous positive impact this will have on the women within our

workforce.

Mr. Speaker, I have to say that this government must be running short on good

news stories. Here we are - debated a piece of legislation on December 2 and

December 3, and here we are -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. BUTLER: No, it is not a bad news story, sir, but there cannot be too

many good news stories when we have to bring legislation forward in a

ministerial statement just six or seven days after it was passed here in the

House.

I say, Mr. Speaker, if this is the new approach of this government, I cannot

imagine how desperate they are to come up with a good news story.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for an advanced copy of her statement. I am pleased

today to rise and say a few words about Bill 38, because Bill 38 had its

beginnings in the Parliament of Canada by a motion proposed by Peter Stoffer of

the NDP to make amendments to the EI act that would allow for this very thing to

take place. So, I am very proud to say that. I am proud to see that we have

finally passed legislation that we called for last spring, so as to make the

proper amendments and pass the proper legislation so that women, generally in

our society, would not have to pay a price by taking leave for compassionate

care. I say women, because as the minister indicated, it is mostly -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's time has expired.

MR. COLLINS: By leave, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. COLLINS: As the minister herself indicated, it is mostly female

workers who are affected by this, and I am glad to see that this bill is finally

being passed.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers. Oral questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Derrick Rowe of FPI has publicly acknowledged that he has two masters. In

his words in the public media: My Board of Directors and the government. Both

masters, Mr. Speaker. The board seeking to maximize profits for the shareholders

and the government have agreed to close Harbour Breton outright and let Fortune

choose its own way to die.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, who stated

yesterday outside the Legislature that the Bonavista plant is old and will have

to replaced or eventually have the operations moved to Port Union; his words,

outside the Legislature yesterday. What discussions has the minister had with

FPI regarding Bonavista's uncertain future?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I can say without any fear of contradiction that I have had the

same discussion with the people at FPI about Bonavista and Port Union as I have

had with the Fishermen's Union and the representatives of the plant local on

the future of Bonavista and Port Union. It is well-known, Mr. Speaker, for

probably about ten years now, that FPI has been considering either a new

facility in Bonavista or a movement to Port Union.

Mr. Speaker, the discussions that I have had with FPI and with the people at

the plant local in Bonavista are that FPI is going to continue to operate

Bonavista. A large part of what happens in Bonavista is going to depend on what

happens with crab quotas; as I suspect, Mr. Speaker, will be the case with many

crab plants around this Province. That is the discussion. That has been

well-known for ten years. It was well-known when they were in government, it

continues to be well-known in Bonavista amongst the plant workers, amongst

everybody in this Province, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this same minister promised, and these again are his own words:

There would be no layoffs at FPI plants unless they were negotiated between the

company and the union; his words. Is the minister now saying, Mr. Speaker, that

the union has negotiated and agreed to layoffs in Harbour Breton and Fortune?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Leader of the Opposition and some of the members of his party have on

occasion over the past three weeks referenced a press release that was put out

in 2002, I believe it was - 2001 or 2002. Now that press release was put out in

the context of a change in the operations in Harbour Breton - proposed changes

in Harbour Breton, Fortune and Marystown. At that time, Mr. Speaker, we

suggested that the FFAW and FPI, I suggested, that they should take the same

approach that they took in Port aux Choix when FPI made the decision to tear

down their old plant and build a new state-of-the-art shrimp plant at the time.

I said at that time that any changes in the workforce in those operations should

be done and achieved through a negotiation, Mr. Speaker. That is what I said at

that time. That is what I say again now.

In this case, Mr. Speaker, we have a situation where foreign-sourced cod has

gone in price through the roof, and there have been substantial changes in world

marketplace. That, Mr. Speaker, is having an impact on all parts of our seafood

industry in this Province.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, it is nice to see him now changing his words -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. GRIMES: Mr. Speaker, it is nice to see him now changing his words,

because they were not the words he spoke in that press release.

Mr. Speaker, the minister said that the President of the Fisheries Union, the

President of FFAW, Mr. Earle McCurdy, sat in the meeting ten days ago with the

minister, the Premier, and Mr. Derrick Rowe of FPI, when Fortune's future was

discussed, and that Mr. McCurdy said nothing.

Mr. Speaker, the Premier has always contended -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the Leader of the Opposition now if he could get to his question

immediately.

MR. GRIMES: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

The Premier has always contended that if you say nothing, you agree.

I ask the minister, knowing that government is one of Mr. Rowe's two

masters, what did you and the Premier say to Mr. Rowe about the Fortune plant

future?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as usual, the Leader of the Opposition is careless with the

truth again today. I said last week, in this House of Assembly, that we did meet

with -

MR. REID: Stand up for the people you represent!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, would you mind gagging the Member for

Twillingate & Fogo, so I can answer the question that the Leader of the

Opposition asked?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. TAYLOR: If he does not want to hear the answer, I can easily sit

down, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair asks for all members to be co-operative with each other - the

people who are asking the questions, also the people who are on the government

side, and the ministers who are responding.

The Chair recognizes the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and Labrador

Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

There are still members who are shouting across the floor of the House. The

Chair has asked members for their co-operation, and I would ask them to respect

the authority of the Chair in that regard.

The Chair again asks the minister to complete his answer.

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

As I was saying, we met, as the Leader of the Opposition said, about ten days

ago. We were informed, at that time, in the presence of all -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, will you please gag those people so I can answer

the questions that are being asked of me?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Again, the Chair asks all members for their co-operation.

For a few more seconds, the Chair will recognize the Minister of Fisheries

and Aquaculture, and Labrador Affairs.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as I said, ten days ago we did meet with Derrick Rowe, Graham

Roome, Earle McCurdy, myself and the Premier, in the Premier's boardroom. We

were informed of the options that were presented by FPI to the FFAW and the

plant workers at Fortune at that time. We had a discussion about the challenges

that the fishing industry is facing here as a result of the increasing cost of

raw material being sourced overseas, from Norway and Russia, to be produced here

in our Province. At that time, I have to say, we had a very frank discussion

about it. I never, ever, said that Mr. McCurdy agreed or disagreed with it. I

never said that he stayed quiet and, as such, agreed with what was being said.

He can answer for himself on this, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: I thank the minister for his answer.

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, in Hansard, which is the verbatim record of what was said here

yesterday, his words were: It was not challenged by Mr. McCurdy.

Mr. Speaker, my next question is this -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. GRIMES: My next question is this - and, again, I understand that

members opposite would like for us to be gagged, but we were elected to speak

for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and we will continue to do it, Mr.

Speaker, as long as we have breath!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: As long as we can stand here - it is a democracy, Mr.

Speaker. They might be gagged in their caucus. We are not going to be gagged, I

can tell you that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Again, the Chair asks all members for their co-operation, where members on

all sides of the House show mutual respect in a parliamentary forum for each

other.

I again pass the speaking to the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is an important issue with respect to a closure in Harbour Breton, choose

your way to die in Fortune, and a government doing nothing about it.

Mr. Speaker, the federal MP, Mr. Bill Matthews, for the communities of

Harbour Breton and Fortune, has said publicly that the minister and the Premier

are sitting idly by and allowing the utter destruction of the FPI Act. Mr.

Matthews, the federal MP, is fighting for community-based quotas in his meetings

with the federal Minister of Fisheries.

Again, I ask the minister: Will this government put their full support behind

Mr. Mathews' request, as the MP, or are they just going to let the company

keep the quota and do what they like with it?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as I said before, our primary concern has been and always will

be that the quotas associated with any fish company in this Province, and any

fish that has been caught by vessels, by fishermen, by plant workers of this

Province continues to remain in this Province. That is our first and primary

concern, Mr. Speaker.

Beyond that, Mr. Speaker, we have said time and again that we will be working

with the people of Harbour Breton - I said this when I was in Harbour Breton a

couple of days ago - we will work with the people of Harbour Breton to try to

identify a way forward for them. If, as a result of that piece of work with an

IAS committee and what have you - if, as a result of a piece of that work - at

the end of the day it is determined that quotas and quota acquisition is a piece

of the solution, then we will support the people of Harbour Breton in that.

That, Mr. Speaker, is what I said last week. It is what I said the day before

yesterday in Harbour Breton, and I say it again today. Mr. Speaker, that was

what we did in Arnold's Cove when the time came and the chips were down. We

came through for the people, unlike some other members did previously.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This final question is for the minister. Mr. Speaker, outside the

Legislature, this minister has gone further and suggested no only for FPI but

for the fishery generally in Newfoundland and Labrador - and these again are his

exact words: The solution lies in a lesser number of plants running for a longer

period of time.

Now that he has publicly admitted the real agenda of this government with

respect to the fishery and rural Newfoundland and Labrador, can he tell us: What

does it mean? What does that mean, if that is the position of the government,

for communities like Englee, Anchor Point, Black Duck Cove, La Scie and Triton,

just to name a few, Mr. Speaker? Is the government, I ask him, going to continue

to side with the big business fish processors and let the fish plant workers and

their communities disappear?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I admit freely that I said those words outside of the House

of Assembly, and I have said them for the last four years since I got into

political life, and I said it before I got into political life.

Mr. Speaker, if we are going to have a strong processing sector and a strong

seafood industry in this Province, then we need to have strong processing

operations that run for a longer period of time. The alternative, Mr. Speaker,

is to accept what the previous administration did for the past twelve to fifteen

years, to allow the processing workers in this Province, Mr. Speaker, to try and

live on less than $10,000 a year in earned income. That, Mr. Speaker, is what

their legacy for the seafood industry in this Province has been, and that legacy

also translates into about 25 per cent of the people in the processing sector

relying on make-work projects to get by.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: That must be according to Danny, and you are going right along

with him.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, Russ Carrigan of FPI said yesterday, in a press

release, that neither of the two options proposed by the company comes with any

guarantees.

Why then, Minister, don't you support the workforce in Fortune who would

prefer to continue to process fish at Fortune than move to Marystown, knowing

that if there is a shortage of raw material in Marystown the workforce in

Fortune will be the first to go since they cannot carry their seniority with

them?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I have never said that I was against the maintaining of the

Fortune operation. Never! I have said that there have been two options presented

to the people of Fortune, and it is up to them to decide. If they decide that

they want to continue on in an operation in Fortune that relies solely on

locally sourced cod, Mr. Speaker, that is their decision. If that is the

decision that they make, then that is the decision that I respect and the

decision I will support.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Minister, with all due respect, that option, you know, is not

there for the employees of Fortune, for two hundred and twenty-some-odd

employees to work at that plant. As Russ Carrigan said, for them to accept that

option would be like driving off a cliff. Clearly, FPI is not giving them that

option. I am asking you to stand up to FPI and exercise your authority under the

Act.

There are over seventy people waiting anxiously to be called back at the fish

plant in Marystown, Minister. There is a real danger that these people may not

even get the number of weeks they need to qualify for EI. Is the Minister aware

that this second option for the workforce in Fortune to go to Marystown is

causing concern among the workers at the fish plant in Marystown?

Minister, you must see that FPI is pitting community against community. What

are you going to do about it, with the authority you have under the FPI Act?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I understand full-well the challenges that the people in Fortune

and the people in Marystown are confronted with. I understand that fully and I

sympathize with them, but for me to stand up here today and suggest that I have

the authority to keep Fortune open at the level that it has been maintained at

in recent years when it has been operating on foreign source fish, Mr. Speaker,

it would be totally misleading of me and I refuse to do it.

The fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, the fish that FPI has in its quota

allocations are being processed in this Province. They have been processed

between Bonavista, Fortune, Marystown, Harbour Breton and other facilities

around the Province, and that is continuing.

Now, Mr. Speaker, what the member is asking me to do is force FPI to continue

operations at the level they were at in recent years, and the only way I can do

that is to force them somehow to procure fish from outside this Province because

we do not have it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Minister, unfortunately you have become part of the challenge

and not the solution.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS FOOTE: Yesterday in this House you continued to defend the callous

actions of FPI and you are failing to acknowledge they have a moral

responsibility. You are failing to forget that they are a creation of the

taxpayers of this Province to the tune of $252 million. I am asking you now,

Minister, to tell FPI that neither of the options they are proposing are

acceptable to you or the workforce or the government of today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In case the member forgets, the people of this Province and the Government of

decided recently to privatize Petro-Canada.

Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is, it is a private operation. I am not

defending FPI's actions. I will say this: Where were the hon. members opposite

when FPI, during the 1990s, closed down everything else they had in this

Province? Where were their insightful suggestions then, Mr. Speaker? Where was

the authority in the FPI Act to order FPI to maintain 850 people in St. Anthony

when they closed it down in 1992? They did not have it because it was not there.

The authority in the FPI Act was on the 15 per cent ownership (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

On September 20 the Premier held a news conference to discuss the secret

Memorandum of Understanding he had signed with the Sino corporation for the

potential development of the Lower Churchill. During this news conference he

also announced a call for Expressions of Interest that invited all potential

components interested in developing the Lower Churchill to express their

intentions to government.

I ask the Minister of Natural Resources, the call for Expressions of Interest

were to have taken place in October, that time has come and past. Can the

minister update the House as to the status of that call for Expressions of

Interest?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition says it is a good question, and so

it is, and I will attempt to give a good answer. We had hoped to be able to do

that this morning, but we will be doing it Monday morning.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, I am wondering if the minister might also tell us, now that we

know when they will be issued, will he provide a copy to us when they are issued

or will this also be done in secret?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if I caught what my hon.

colleague was saying, he said a copy of it to them. A copy of what? A copy of

the press release? What is it they would like? If I may, if you would not mind

telling me exactly what you are looking for, and I will attempt to do my best to

answer it.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The press release issued by the Premier on September 20 this year indicated

that the Calls for Expression would have the details of what exactly the

government wanted. It referenced, as well, criteria that the government would be

grading these submissions by. I am wondering if the minister would reveal to us

when he sends it out to everybody - everybody should know the criteria that the

government is going to grade their proposals by. Will we get a copy of what he

issues on Monday, along with the criteria that the government will use to grade

these proposals vis- B -vis

the Lower Churchill Development?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Well, let me see if I can reveal some of it now. The EOI

process is about taking a world-class, globally classed, potential resource,

putting it out to subscribers across the planet and the globe, many of which the

Premier and myself have met with, in an attempt to secure the best deal

possible. It does not mean dealing only with Quebec, like the former

Administration did. That is what it doesn't mean.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Secondly, Mr. Speaker, it means that we have a greater

confidence in ourselves and in our resources about what we can do with them than

the former Administration had. Ultimately, Mr. Speaker, it means this, it means

MR. GRIMES: Mr. Speaker, he is not answering the (inaudible).

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, what it does mean is that we will be

outlining, in due course - I gave the member an answer. We will be outlining

next week all that will be available with that. Whatever we release publicly

next week will be released to everybody and everyone will know (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

That is what concerns us, in due course. It is never timely and it is never

open. It always seems to be at their time

schedule and whatever suits them.

Mr. Speaker, it was discussed that one of the parties in the Sino group,

China National Machinery & Equipment Import & Export Corporation was

under investigation in the United States for possible terrorist links. The

Premier undertook to investigate these allegations and the company. Could the

minister advise if this investigation is complete? If so, what were the findings

and will you make them public?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am perplexed, and I do not mind saying I am perplexed. The hon. member says

on the one hand that is the problem, it is never timely and it is never public.

Does anybody recall several weeks ago when we released a televised tape by the

Leader of the Opposition saying there was a deal on the Lower Churchill?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: I do not know about them, Mr. Speaker, I have no idea about

them but I do know that he stood right here, as Premier of the Province, and

said there was no deal, while he was ready to go to the people of the Province

with a tape with a signed deal. That is what I do know, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A final supplementary to Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: The minister is very good at deflection, but again, not good

at substantive answers.

Minister, you signed a confidentiality agreement with the Sino group on May

21 of this year. On May 20, in this very House, twenty-four hours before that, I

asked you in Estimates Committee if there were any discussions ongoing about the

Lower Churchill. You advised me at that time, page 182, no. Now, minister,

twenty-four hours later this confidentiality agreement gets signed. Which is it,

minister, were you either part of the negotiations and the discussions that led

to the May 21 agreement or did you unilaterally rubber stamp an agreement that

was done in the Premier's office the next day?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, let me be clear. First of all, there was no

agreement signed with anybody. What was established with the Sino corporation

was a Memorandum of Understanding to share information. That is all it was. No

more, no less.

Mr. Speaker, the Sino corporation first came to the Province when they

knocked on my door, as the Minister of Natural Resources, in January. The reason

why the member has the MOU - do you know why? Because this government released

it. That is why he has it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: First of all, let's be clear.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. E. BYRNE: We released everything associated with the Memorandum of

Understanding.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: I can answer the question if they would -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Again, I ask members for their co-operation.

The Chair recognizes the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MR. HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Acting Premier.

The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that the Newfoundland and Labrador

Government discriminated against women in the public service, contrary to the

Charter of Rights, by paying them less than their male colleagues, as was

acknowledged by Premier Peckford. It also ruled that the Wells government

discriminated against women public servants by reversing pay equity agreements

Peckford made, but that the legislation was not unconstitutional. Will this

government, on this, the eve of International Day of Human Rights, commit to

honouring the pay equity agreement and reversing the discrimination which took

pay equity from women in our public service?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I want to make it perfectly clear that the recent

court decision was no moral victory for the women of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, back in the early 1990s, a decision was made that

pay equity would not be paid to the women of this Province, based on the fiscal

situation of this Province. Unfortunately, over the last fifteen years there

were no real attempts made to improve that fiscal situation; and, as a result,

those women have never been paid what they were owed and what they deserve.

Mr. Speaker, our fiscal situation right now gives us a debt of $11.5 billion.

That means, for every man, woman and child in this Province, their share is

$22,142. We are not in a better fiscal situation today. We are actually worse

than what were in 1990, but, I will say to the hon. member, that is no excuse

for the fact that women were discriminated against.

I cannot make a commitment -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the supplementary question.

The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Justice.

I say to the minister that government is acting very aggressively to collect

student debts, much of which is unmanageable because of high student debt loads.

They do that, Mr. Speaker, without consideration of their personal situation.

This week I had a constituent who, in the 1990s, was forced to drop out of a

private college before she finished her program because she was diagnosed with

MS, and she has doctor's documentation to support that. She now finds herself

confined, unable to work, with two children, and she is being dragged through

the courts by the Justice Department and being sued. I ask the minister: Will

the minister take action to have this lawsuit dropped?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I am not personally familiar with the case

that the hon. member has raised, but I will undertake to investigate and report

back to the hon. member in the near future.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: I appreciate the answer, Mr. Speaker, from the minister.

I want to say to the minister, as well, while he is investigating this

situation, will he instruct his officials that in the future they will check out

people's situations, personal situations, before they initiate court action

against them, and if they find that people are disabled and unable to pay -

because, let's face it, Mr. Speaker, since changes to the student loan program

were announced, students are unable to pay, and there is a difference in being

unable to and won't. They are not allowed to declare bankruptcy any more

either.

Will the minister take action, instruct his officials to not pursue lawsuits

and drag people into courts when they have no ability to pay?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for raising this.

Obviously, this is something that we would take very seriously. I will have it

investigated and I will report back to the hon. member as quick as possible.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: There is time for one brief question and a brief response.

The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, Western Newfoundland and Labrador had several

snowstorms in recent days. The Department of Transportation and Works, due to

weight constraints, does not salt and sand our roads while using the wing blade

to clear the snow back off the highways. There is a directive from the

department not to make a second run, due to financial restraints, to either salt

and sand the roads or plow the snow with the wing blade down.

Does the minister realize the potential of this Russian roulette? Will the

minister immediately order this practice to stop, and make our roads safe and

snow free?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for his question. Unfortunately, the Minister

of Transportation is unavailable at the present time to answer the question. I

am not familiar with the situation that the member asked about. I do recognize

that it is a very serious issue, and I will certainly inform the member that

immediately after Question Period I will endeavor to find out the status of the

situation, have it looked into, and report back to him some time this afternoon.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The time for Oral Questions has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing And Special Committees?

Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Innovation, Trade and Rural

Development.

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, in accordance with government's commitment

to accountability, I hereby submit the 2003-2004 Annual Performance Report for

the Department of Innovation, Trade and Rural Development. This report addresses

the department's activities and outcomes from April 1, 2003 to March 31, 2004.

Mr. Speaker, I am also advising hon. members that this report includes

information on three external government corporations that reported to the

minister in 2003-2004, namely Newfoundland Hardwoods Limited, Newfoundland Ocean

Enterprises Limited, and the EDGE Evaluation Board. The 2003-2004 Annual Report

of the Business Investment Corporation, a fourth external corporation, was

tabled earlier this year.

Mr. Speaker, I also hereby submit the 2003-2004 Annual Report of the Rural

Secretariate.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair is having difficulty hearing the hon. the minister. I am not sure

whether the minister is finished with her report or not.

MS DUNDERDALE: Yes, (inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Further reports?

The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS BURKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present the Department of Human Resources,

Labour and Employment's 2003-2004 Annual Report. In accordance with government's

commitment to accountability and transparency, the report outlines the

activities and achievements for the period from April 1, 2003 to March 31, 2004.

The Annual Report for the Social Services Appeal Board is included in this

report as well.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to present the Labour Relations Agency 2003-2004

Annual Report. In accordance with government's commitment to accountability

and transparency, this report outlines the activities of the former Department

of Labour and the newly created Labour Relations Agency for the period of April

1, 2003 to March 31, 2004.

Mr. Speaker, in accordance -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Order, please!

There is a lot of shouting across the Chamber and the Chair is having

difficulty hearing the hon. the minister.

The Chair recognizes the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, in accordance with government's commitment to

accountability, I hereby submit the 2003-2004 annual performance report for the

Women's Policy Office. This report was prepared under my direction and

addresses the division's outcomes from April 1, 2003 to March 31, 2004.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: Further reports.

Notices of Motions.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have several notices of motion to give.

I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The House of Assembly Act. (Bill 65)

In the place of the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board, I

give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled, An

Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act, No 2. (Bill 60)

I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Liquor Corporation Act. (Bill 61)

I give further notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a bill

entitled,

An Act To Amend The Pensions Funding Act. (Bill 62).

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave to

introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Public Service Pensions Act,

1991. (Bill 63)

MR. SPEAKER: Further notices of motions.

The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

MS WHALEN: Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask leave

to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Occupational Health And Safety

Act. (Bill 64)

MR. SPEAKER: Further notices of motions.

Answers To Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Again, I present another petition, this time actually signed by employees of

Riverview Motors in Grand Falls-Windsor and Abitibi waterfront workers in the

Town of Botwood, with respect to Bill 45 and the mandatory trail stickers for

snowmobiles. Again, the petition, as I read into the record yesterday, signed by

another group of people:

WHEREAS the provincial government underwent no public consultation before

bringing these changes to the Legislature; and

WHEREAS the fees that are being enacted by this legislation represents a

taxation of our culture as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians; and

WHEREAS we feel we are being discriminated against by having to pay a fee to

use groomed snowmobile trails that we have been using long before the

Newfoundland and Labrador Snowmobile Federation started grooming these trails;

WHEREUPON we call upon the provincial government to - not cancel it but -

withdraw the legislation until public consultations have been held.

Again, this one is signed by some twenty different residents of Grand

Falls-Windsor and Botwood who are avid snowmobilers in their own right, who

appreciate groomed trails and hope that there are going to be more of them and

have been actually some of the proponents for more groomed trails, but they feel

there should be more consultation before this type of legislation that mandates

a sticker.

By the way, Mr. Speaker, they do understand that this is a government that

promised the Newfoundland and Labrador Wildlife Federation and others, the

outdoor rights association, that there would be an Outdoor Bill of Rights so

that things would not be passed over to private interests and also that it is a

government that promised there would not be mandatory fees. There would not be

mandatory user fees. Some of these same people who have signed this petition,

Mr. Speaker, have told me, in my personal conversations with them, that they in

fact voluntarily pay the fee. They are supporters and they voluntarily pay the

fee. They are not saying that the legislation, at some point, does not need to

be but they think there needs to be more time to consult and make sure that some

of the issues that have already been debated in this Legislature get further

consideration before the government goes to full mandatory fees.

Mr. Speaker, I present that petition again on their behalf. They are very

sincere about it and they just hope that the government will allow a little more

time and consider some of the other issues that have been raised because these

are some supporters of the concept but they just hope that the government will

do it right rather than start it and then try to fix some things next year, the

year after or the year after that.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions.

The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of a number of residents of the

Province and I will read out the pray:

WHEREAS statistics indicate there is one VLT machine for every 155 adults,

the highest ratio of any province; and

WHEREAS gambling addiction has increased with the availability of VLTs in

restaurants and bars; and

WHEREAS it is estimated that at least 5 per cent of those who gamble, face an

addiction which has led to not only costs to society but tragic consequences in

the lives of those affected; and

WHEREAS government themselves have become addicted to revenues from gambling;

We, the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to direct the government

to increase funding for problem gamblers, strictly enforce the existing VLT

regulations, and at the very least remove VLTs from venues frequented by

individuals under nineteen years of age and for the Province to hold a

referendum of banning VLTs in conjunction with municipal elections in 2005.

Mr. Speaker, I was reading an interesting poll yesterday on this very topic.

It was a national poll, but the national poll found the highest support, in the

63 per cent to 65 per cent, in favour of banning these machines in Atlantic

Canada. I understand that there was a vote conducted in New Brunswick, as the

Premier cited the other day, but that vote was very, very close. I think that if

the vote was 49-51 in New Brunswick, then obviously that 65 per cent of

Canadians polled, I would suggest that the majority of people who were in favour

of banning these VLTs probably came from this Province to give the boost to 65

per cent, if New Brunswick was almost 50-50.

I think it is time that government seriously considered the problems and

provided the resources that are available. The machines, if you look at clubs

and bars around this Province, they can apply to the Liquor Licensing Board for

an extra bar licence to create as many as three bars or more in their

establishment. These liquor licences that are given out, to increase from one

bar to two, three, or more, are not based on liquor sales, not at all. It is a

matter of applying and receiving. They are done for one purpose, and one purpose

only, and that is to double, triple and quadruple the number of VLTs that they

can have in their establishment.

These are things that government can control while we are waiting for the

Province to decide whether or not they will support a ban.

I am hopeful, and I hope government will recognize that these machines are

creating a lot of problems in our society - problems that we did not have until

fourteen years ago.

Mr. Speaker, I laughed the other day when I read Hansard, to find out that

the Finance Minister of the day's justification for bringing these into the

Province was that if government did not get in front and bring them in, the

mafia would move in and take over. I think that is a very poor excuse for a

government to justify why they would bring machines of this nature into the

Province.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's assigned time has expired.

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted to continue.

MR. COLLINS: I ask government to seriously consider this, because I do

know, from talking to members across, that they have serious problems with this

as well. I hope that they will consider allowing residents of the Province to

have an opportunity, during the municipal elections, to have this placed on the

ballot as a referendum, and abide by the results of the referendum.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Torngat Mountains.

MR. ANDERSEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise again today to present a petition on behalf of the young people in

Labrador, in their request to government for an auditorium in the Upper Lake

Melville area. I present the petition today on behalf of the children from the

community of Cartwright.

Mr. Speaker, I will get right to the point again. The children in Labrador

deserve a place where they can gather at different times throughout the year for

festivals of different sorts. We just witnessed, I think, the twenty-ninth

running of the Creative Arts Festival in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, attended by

schools from all across Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, this facility is essential to the people in Labrador, and I know

that the Minister of Municipal and Provincial Affairs has said, many times, that

the money was in the account. With the Christmas season so handy, and just

around the corner, I would ask this government if they would, on behalf of the

Member for Lake Melville, make that commitment to the people today. It is

well-deserved, there is no question. It is a facility that children and adults

in other parts of this Province enjoy. The children, in particular, in Labrador,

deserve such a building. I call upon this government, Mr. Speaker, prior to the

Christmas break, to make the announcement to the children in Labrador.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of residents in my district, as

it relates to the marine services of the Sir Robert Bond from Cartwright.

Mr. Speaker, it is because of government's decision last year to relocate the Sir

Robert Bond from Cartwright to Lewisporte. Because of that, businesses in

the Labrador region lost up to 40 per cent of their sales in revenue last year.

Also, people felt that the provincial government was spending excess funds from

the Labrador Transportation Initiative to run the Sir Robert Bond out of

Lewisporte, and there were residents in the Happy Valley-Goose Bay area who had

trouble acquiring reservations and accommodations due to the reduction in the

number of departures per week of the Sir Robert Bond between Goose Bay

and Cartwright.

Mr. Speaker, the people who signed this petition felt that the service was

not being utilized to the best interests of the people of the Province. What

they are saying is that: WHEREFORE

be it resolved that the petitioners request

that the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador reconsider their decision and

reinstate these services for Labrador to the port of Cartwright whereby

increasing the frequency of crossings between Cartwright and Goose Bay to three

trips per week.

Mr. Speaker, when government made that decision last spring, I was totally

opposed to the decision, and so were people in my district. I laid out, before

the House of Assembly at that time, what it would cost to run the Sir Robert

Bond from Cartwright to Lewisporte as opposed to doing three trips a week

just from Cartwright to Goose Bay.

Mr. Speaker, the numbers that I received from Memorial University's policy

division, and from other documentation that was in the department, was that it

would cost the government about $1.7 million to run the Sir Robert Bond

last year into Lewisporte, a service that people in my district certainly did

not want to see.

Mr. Speaker, the government did not even nod at the cost of running that

service into Lewisporte, simply because it was going to come out of the Labrador

Transportation Fund anyway, not out of the general revenues of government.

Mr. Speaker, we will see the true account of numbers come budget time this

year, but let me tell you the true account of numbers on the ferry service last

year. In 2003, when the Sir Robert Bond was running between Cartwright

and Goose Bay, three trips a week, they carried a lot more passengers and a lot

more traffic than they did last year between Lewisporte, Cartwright and Goose

Bay. In fact, Mr. Speaker, last year, not only did government reduce the number

of services out of Goose Bay per week by running the ferry into Lewisporte, it

also reduced its own statistics on that service by almost 600 people.

Mr. Speaker, let me tell you something else. Out of the 10,000 people who

travelled on the Sir Robert Bond last year, 70 per cent of them travelled

between Cartwright and Goose Bay, with only 30 per cent of those passengers

using the Lewisporte service.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: May I have leave, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Does the member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: Just to clue up.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted for some concluding comments.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister of Tourism for

giving me an extra thirty minutes to speak to this petition.

Mr. Speaker, as I was saying, out of the 10,000 people who used the service

last year -

AN HON. MEMBER: No leave, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Leave has been withdrawn.

Further petitions?

Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. E. BYRNE: What are you talking about? I don't know what the member

is talking about. The Speaker has called Orders of the Day, and I am doing my

job to get up and move forward with Orders of the Day. If there is anything

childish about that, then I have a childish job, Mr. Speaker, but I just don't

think so.

Mr. Speaker, the first Order of the Day, I want to move Motion 5, pursuant to

Standing Order 11, that the House not adjourn at 5:30 p.m. today, and also

Motion 6, pursuant to Standing Order 11, that the House not adjourn at 10:00

p.m. tonight.

With that, Mr. Speaker, Order 13, second reading of a bill,

An Act To Amend

The Fish Inspection Act, Bill 57. I believe the hon. the Minister of Fisheries

and Aquaculture will move that bill.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: We will handle them in the order in which they were

presented. The hon. the Government House Leader has moved, pursuant to Standing

Order 11, the House not adjourn at 5:00 p.m. today, Thursday, December 9.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

Carried.

The hon. the Government House Leader has also moved, pursuant to Standing

Order 11, the House not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. today, Thursday, December 9, 2004.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

Carried.

I would ask the hon. the Government House Leader if he could state again the

motion that you wish to introduce, for the benefit of the Speaker who was

listening but has forgotten.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Order 13, second reading of a bill,

An Act To Amend The Fish Inspection Act,

Bill 57.

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded that Bill 57 be now read a second

time.

Motion, second reading of a bill, "An Act To Amend The Fish Inspection

Act." (Bill 57)

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a pleasure this afternoon to speak for a few minutes on Bill 57,

An Act

To Amend The Fish Inspection Act.

This is a piece of work that has been some time in the works, since about

February last. February, 2004, we indicated that we were going to proceed to do

a thorough examination of the Fish Inspection Act, since, in particular, it has

not been reviewed since it was - I do not know about if it has been reviewed,

but it certainly has not been updated since it was brought in, in the 1960s I

guess it was. I think it was 1964, if I am not mistaken. Anyway, it is somewhere

around forty-plus years old and, needless to say, I am getting on towards forty

years old myself now and I am in need of an overhaul myself some days I think.

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we indicated publicly back on February 4 that we were

going to have a look at the Fish Inspection Act. Back in 2003 - I guess it was

somewhere around June, 2003, the previous Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture

announced that there was going to be a commissioner appointed - I believe the

Commissioner was appointed in August - to have a look at fish processing licence

policy in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador. Mr. Eric Dunne was

appointed - I guess it was in August - to do a review of fish processing policy.

Coming out of that, as everybody knows, there was a fairly comprehensive report.

One of the substantial pieces of the Dunne report was referenced to the Fish

Inspection Act and the need to have a thorough examination of the Fish

Inspection Act with a view to modernizing it because of the change in industry.

We moved from a groundfish industry, when the act was initially proclaimed, to

primarily a shellfish industry today. Even without that type of change,

obviously over the course of moving from the 1960s to the twenty-first Century,

we would have incurred very substantial changes in the way the industry is

carried out anyway. So there was a need for one thing, a housekeeping cleanup of

the Fish Inspection Act, and that is part of what this bill is about.

It was also felt by Mr. Dunne that there was a need for several other

substantial issues to be addressed as it related to government department's

ability to preserve their authority as it related to licencing - their

authority, our authority, what have you - as it related to enforceability of

certain provisions, preservation of our authority to set conditions of licences,

and what have you. There are a substantial number of court challenges, in recent

years in particular. In many of those cases government's view of the situation

has not always prevailed. That has been, in many cases, because the fish

Inspection Act did not provide government with the authority to be able to

uphold the decisions that they had taken. Mr. Speaker, there was a

recommendation - I think it was a very worthwhile recommendation - by Mr. Dunne

for us to do a thorough examination of the Fish Inspection Act and to make some

substantial changes to it.

We moved in the Fish Inspection Act, that is before the House here now, for

debate over the coming hours and days. There is a move that was recommended by

Mr. Dunne. I must say today, because there was some confusion when we debated a

previous bill here, and maybe part of it was my fault - but anyway, whether it

was or was not is irrelevant. Back on February 4 we accepted, in principle, Mr.

Dunne's report. We said that we would implement it in principle, and we are on

course to do that. Obviously, some of what Mr. Dunne recommended, when you get

down to the particular issues and the practicalities of implementing it,

sometimes it presents a challenge to government to be able to implement it to

the letter of the recommendation, so to speak.

In this piece here I think we have done a pretty good job, with the

exception, probably, of one key recommendation, which was that the Fish

Inspection Act - there would be a thorough legislative review conducted on a

yearly basis. We felt that was a bit cumbersome. Instead, we have opted for a

full legislative review every five years. We think that still provides us with

more timeliness than we saw over the past forty years, and will go a long ways

toward addressing the challenges that the industry might be faced with, and

government might be faced with, going forward; but, to go to a yearly review, we

would undoubtedly end up consuming way too much of the government's time and

the industry's time just trying to review legislation as opposed to trying to

manage the industry.

That is one substantial change there, Mr. Speaker. I think that is probably

the biggest one, and probably the only substantial one, from my perspective,

from what I can recall anyway. We have moved, as recommended by Mr. Dunne, from

always pursuing court action against people when there are infractions, to give

the department and the government the authority or the ability to - instead of,

as I said, having to pursue court action, lay charges and pursue court action -

be able to ticket for minor offences, to administer administrative penalties for

defined, more or less, I guess you can say, bookkeeping discrepancies. Failure

to provide reports - for example, production reports - in a timely manner would

result in an administrative penalty as opposed to a charge being laid. If

somebody is failing to handle fish in an appropriate way, maintain adequate

levels of ice in cold storage facilities, and those types of things, then that

would not be an administrative penalty; that would not fall under the

administrative penalty scenario. That would be one where, under the new piece of

legislation, we would be able to ticket for that type of an offence, again, as

opposed to laying a charge and pursing court action.

We think that it works for government and works for industry in that

perspective, so that we still maintain our ability to enforce quality standards,

we still maintain our ability to set the operational guidelines, so to speak, of

the industry, but we do it in a more effective manner - a manner that does not

result in us having to run off to court for every offence that we see. As a

matter of fact, it probably strengthens our hand.

Sometimes, I would suggest that government would, maybe for minor offences,

be reluctant to lay charges in the past under the old act simply because, for

lack of a better way of putting it, the juice is not worth the squeeze. In this

case, we would not have to worry about that type of a scenario. There would not

have to be an evaluation of it from that perspective. Whether that ever took

place, I do not know. I am not suggesting that it did, but it may have or it may

in the future; but, under this scenario, and under the new Fish Inspection Act,

we would be able to ticket for minor offences, such as the ones that I just

referenced, and, as I said, for the failure to comply with reporting processes,

reporting procedures and the like, we could impose administrative penalties and

what have you.

Mr. Speaker, I think the act, as I said, is, in large part - and I am not

saying this to suggest that all this is, is a cleaning up, but I would suggest

that 75 per cent of the content of this bill is cleaning up the act. For

example, there were references in the old Fish Inspection Act to lobster tomali.

I am not sure there is anybody doing much with lobster tomali in Newfoundland

and Labrador today, but I suppose there probably was somebody doing something

with it back pre-1960s. Therefore, hence, it is referenced in the previous act.

Those types of things have been changed. We have changed wording, from

containers to containers or cartons, and those types of things, just to catch

the changing nature of the industry today in 2004 versus the nature of the

industry back in the 1960s.

We have also, Mr. Speaker, proposed in this legislation - and hopefully it

will get passed in due course - some increased authority, I guess you would say,

for government, in that we can now, similar to other resource industries in the

Province.... If you take the forestry industry, for example, here in the

Province, forestry companies - not to nail it down to just pulp and paper or

sawmills or whatever - must provide government with year-to-year plans as to

what their intentions are as it relates to their operations. Then, at the end of

the time period that the plan was provided for, Company X, for example, has to

sort of reconcile their actions against that plan. Mr. Dunne proposed that we

should do the same thing in the fishing industry. Now, we have accepted that

recommendation and the new Act reflects that. Going forward now, fish companies

will have to provide government with their yearly plan in advance of their

licenses being issued. In that yearly plan, some examples of what they would

have to do would be to indicate roughly the volumes of product that they intend

to process, where it is going to come from, where they intend to market that,

the type of workforce, the number of people they would have employed, the

duration of employment that we could anticipate, and the type of pack out that

they would propose to be doing.

We think there is a real value in that for a number of reasons. Number one,

it provides a greater sense of accountability. It forces the processing sector

to identify to government, in exchange for the privilege, some would suggest, of

a processing license - they would have to state their intentions for the coming

year. Purely from government's perspective, it allows us to look at what the

workforce is going to look like in the seafood industry, in the processing

sector in particular, for the coming year. It would allow us to, then, partway

through the season, identify where we are going to have problems as it relates

to work content, employment levels, and what have you, and allow us to do the

appropriate planning to adjust to that. Mr. Speaker, we think it is good from

that perspective.

Also, with a reconciliation of that plan at the end of the season we will be

able to see where companies have lived up to their commitments and where they

haven't. Right now it is very open-ended as to what companies have to do and

don't have to do. They don't have to provide to government their intentions

for processing on a yearly basis. There is value in that. We see value in it in

the forestry sector, for example, and we think there is value in it for the

fishing sector.

As well, Mr. Speaker, we have given ourselves or we have proposed to give

ourselves, I should say, increased authority as it relates to setting minimum

processing requirements. As some people will recall, I know the former minister

will recall, there has been in previous years some outcry from crab plant

workers, in particular, about the labour content, the work content, associated

with processing crab now verus years gone by when there was a higher level of

meat production verus

section production. While we did impose, so to speak, a

conditional licence this year in crab processing that required processors to

process 10 per cent of their output beyond the industrial pack stage - is what

we refer to it as - and there has been some substantial improvement compared to

the previous year. We did not achieve the 10 per cent but we went a long ways

toward that, essentially doubling the post industrial pack production this year

compared to 2003 and 2002.

Mr. Speaker, there was not in the act before a specific reference to

processing requirements - minimum processing requirements, I should say. Now, if

this legislation passes there will be and that will give us greater authority as

it relates to compelling companies to do a minimum amount of processing on

various fish species. We could do it under a conditional licence previously

because government and the minister can set conditions and licences. I do not

know about at will, but there is great latitude available to us. But, right now

we will have that authority vested in the act, if is passes.

Mr. Speaker, I think those are the high points, and of course the purpose of

second reading is to sort of hit the high points of the bill and to deal with

the bill in general. As I said, this act has been in existence for in excess of

forty years without any substantial updating done to it. I know that previous

ministers recognized the need for this action to be taken. Whether they agree

with the course that we have taken or not, I guess we will find out over the

coming hours.

Mr. Speaker, we think that by giving ourselves greater authority as it

relates to setting processing requirements, setting production requirements,

that we have strengthened the authority of government in the regulation of the

fishing industry. We think that that will serve the people of the fishing

industry better going forward. We also think that by laying it out clearly and

concisely in this manner, we will also do some service to the industry in that

they will know what the rules are up-front. The act has been updated now to

reflect 2004 as opposed to the 1960s.

Mr. Speaker, with that, I think I will conclude my opening remarks. I am sure

that once we get into committee there will be an opportunity for questions and

answers back and forth across the floor. I think that this is very much

consistent with the views of the industry, with the views of processing workers

and with what they articulated to Commissioner Eric Dunne when he travelled

around the Province back in the fall of 2003. He met in fifty communities with a

couple of hundred people, I guess, it was that showed up to those meetings.

There has been a fairly extensive consultation that has taken place in the

lead-up to the review of this act.

What we have in front of us, Mr. Speaker, as I said, does two things. It does

a significant amount of housekeeping as related to the act that was brought in

back in the 1960s and it also provides government with greater authority as it

relates to the enforceability of quality standards, the enforceability of

production standards, minimum processing requirements. It gives us the

flexibility to be able to impose administrative penalties, on the one hand, for

minor bookkeeping infractions, so to speak. It gives us the authority to ticket

when there has been an infraction as it relates to quality, for example, on the

head of the wharf or in the holding room of a plant and it still preserves our

ability to lay a charge and take anybody to court for a serious infraction.

As well, I should say, in closing, as it relates to court, there has been

also proposed substantial changes in the way that we handle the court process as

it relates to fines that should be imposed for first, second and third offences.

Mr. Speaker, we think that is also valid, considering that many of those fines

were - the minimum fines were very low compared to the value of the industry

that we see today.

Mr. Speaker, on that note I am going to conclude my remarks. I will be happy

to take any comments and questions on this at a later stage in committee.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further debate?

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a pleasure to take an opportunity, just to take a few minutes to speak

at second reading again, reading in principle with respect to Bill 57,

An Act To

Amend The Fish Inspection Act. We will be raising a few specific concerns, Mr.

Speaker, when we get to the committee stage of this bill where we do a more

detailed examination of the clauses, but a couple of general comments I would

like to make in principle with respect to this bill.

Today, again, in listening very closely and intently to the minister as he

introduced the bill, he repeatedly and regularly used the name of Mr. Dunne. I

only mention that because Mr. Dunne's name has been used a lot in this

Legislature in the last little while. What we found out a couple of nights ago,

Mr. Speaker, around about midnight was that Mr. Dunne's name was used in the

last act that we passed, that was sponsored by this Minister of Fisheries and

Aquaculture, inappropriately. In fact, almost to the point that it could be

argued that the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture for Newfoundland and

Labrador probably owes a written and public apology to Mr. Eric Dunne with

respect to misusing his name to try to support initiatives in this House that

had no connection and no relation, whatsoever, to what Mr. Dunne recommended,

even to the point of being confirmed that members from rural fishing-based

districts, like Bonavista North, are quoted in local newspapers in their area

being asked about the fish licensing board: What do you think of this board? Is

this a good thing? They say: Yes, it is a good thing because it is just like Mr.

Dunne recommended. Only to have it disclosed and admitted and acknowledged in

this House that it was not at all like Mr. Dunne recommended, not even similar,

not even like a distant relative, not even like a third or fourth cousin, no

relation.

I believe, Mr. Speaker - now, I heard Mr. Dunne's name, who has a very

reputable name in the fishery, which is why he was asked to do the report, and

why the government, by the way, said in principle that they accepted the report.

Well, we certainly found out that one of the recommendations about an

independent arm's-length licensing board, they sure did not accept and improve

because they made up their own recommendation of setting up an advisory board

that still leaves the power of licensing strictly and solely and totally in the

hands of the minister.

So, I just make that comment, Mr. Speaker, and I will not belabour it, just

to say that when Mr. Dunne's name has been used and is being used in the

context of this Fish Inspection Act - which is a different issue than issuing

the licence. This is about the Fish Inspection Act which gives the Ministry of

Fisheries and Aquaculture and the Department of Fisheries and Aquaculture and

its employees, on behalf of the government, the right to hold processors

accountable for the business they are conducting. They have already gotten their

licences, so it is not a licensing issue. They are already licensed to operate.

They are already running fish plants. The good news, Mr. Speaker, is this, that

they are running fish plants located in communities like Harbour Breton, or at

least they used to. They are running fish plants based on land in communities

like Fortune, or at least they used to. They are running fish plants in

communities like Bonavista, or as least they used to. These are the powers of

the government vested in them to inspect and hold these particular processors

accountable for their actions when they have been given the right to access and

make profit from a public resource, which is fish, Mr. Speaker.

In principle, again I would suggest that some of the changes that are here

probably are in line with the changes that Mr. Dunne recommended. I hope they

are, unlike the last time. I hope this time they are in line. We are finishing

our checking on that, and we will probably confirm for the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador, when we discuss it in more detail in Committee,

whether they are or they are not, because the last time, with respect to

licensing, the government pretended that they were in line with the report when,

as I said before, they were not even distantly related.

Mr. Speaker, the other thing is this: Some of these changes to the Fish

Inspection Act - there will not be a lot of work, unfortunately, left to do,

because we had the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, earlier today in

Question Period, stand up and say: I have always believed - as a matter of fact,

he said, I believed even before I got into politics - that there are too many

fish plants in Newfoundland and Labrador, too many of them.

So he believes there should be fewer, I would say; lesser, he said yesterday.

plants - let me put it that way, so there will not be a dispute over whether it

is fewer or lesser - a smaller number of plants in a smaller number of

communities is something that the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture for

Newfoundland and Labrador, the right-wing arch Conservative government headed by

a businessman from St. John's, with a person who used to be involved in a

fishing enterprise from rural Newfoundland, standing up now, all of a sudden,

saying: I have always believed, even before I got into politics, that there are

too many fish plants out there.

No wonder he let Harbour Breton close and didn't raise a finger to try to

stop it. No wonder he let Fortune close.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. GRIMES: I tell the Member for Placentia & St. Mary's, there

were no FPI plants that closed in a government that I led. That is what the

record will show, no FPI plants that closed in a government that I led, and I

can tell you what we have today.

MR. TAYLOR: (Inaudible).

MR. GRIMES: I can tell you what we have now, as the Minister of Fisheries

and Aquaculture bawls from his seat - a man who, earlier today, wanted us all

gagged, by the way. The House of Assembly, the people's House, where you are

elected to speak out in a free democratic society, the same minister that bawled

out on the record today - not from his seat, but twice with the microphone on,

as a recognized speaker, a minister of a Crown - Mr. Speaker, would you gag

those people?

That is how much respect he has for this House, and now that he is not the

recognized speaker he is over trying to interject. He can get up again; he knows

that. He is going to get up and close this debate at second reading. He is going

to get to speak a dozen times, twenty times, fifty times, at the Committee

stage. He doesn't need to bawl out to me, because I am saying what I feel and

believe. He was quite free today to say: I believe, as a person, and I have

always believed, even before I got into politics, that there are too many fish

plants in Newfoundland and Labrador.

That is what he said. Meanwhile, he campaigned for a group who are now the

government that had a Blue Book that said: We have a plan for rural Newfoundland

and Labrador. We will protect the rural communities of Newfoundland and

Labrador. We know how to do it better than the governments there today. We will

not see people leaving the rural communities. We will stop out-migration. We

know how to do it. We already have a plan for it. Just elect us, and let us get

started.

Mr. Speaker, we elected them and they got started alright, and what do we

have today? A year later, not a sign of a plan for rural development. Not a

sign, not a trace, not a speck of it anywhere on the horizon, nothing in sight.

They had a meeting in August month, out in Port Blandford, and they invited some

people, a select group, and they said: Could you help us develop a plan for

rural Newfoundland and Labrador - a year after they said they had a plan - could

you help us develop a plan? Then they said that the plan would then be done some

time this fall.

Well, I would suggest to you that there is no sign of the plan today. Now

they are saying: Oh, we might have to do some more consultation, and we might be

able to come up with a plan maybe some time in the New Year.

I tell you, here is how desperate they are to try to link something to rural

Newfoundland and Labrador. Yesterday, they had the Premier of Newfoundland and

Labrador, the Minister of Innovation, Trade and Rural Development - something

like that - and the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation, all three of

them, high-powered press conference on regional economic development, going to

save rural Newfoundland and Labrador. Guess what most of the money was for? To

attract foreign students from other countries to Memorial University. That was

it, Mr. Speaker. That was the biggest single expenditure announced yesterday.

That is the rural plan, and that has been going on for a number of years, by

the way, attracting Chinese students, Asian students, other foreign students, to

come here, because they are willing to pay. They are willing to pay for not only

post-secondary education, Mr. Speaker, but they are willing to pay for K to 12

education, and they are willing to pay good money. It is a good initiative, but

yesterday the biggest investment announced by the Premier, the minister who is

supposed to save rural Newfoundland and Labrador, and the Minister of Tourism,

Culture and Recreation, was to attract foreign students from other countries to

study in St. John's and Corner Brook. Now, I tell you, that is going to grow

the economy in Englee, in the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture's own

district, where the fish plant did not open this year. It opened before. It

opened when we were the government. It did not open this year, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. GRIMES: It did not open this year, and guess what?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members on both sides to be attentive, and we ask members to be

co-operative in a parliamentary setting.

The Chair recognizes the Leader of the Opposition, who was addressing the

House.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a bit strange - I guess it is a bit of a bad day for them - why they

would be so sensitive to a few general comments I am making in principle about

the Fish Inspection Act.

Mr. Speaker, I can tell you that, as we indicated here, the Fish Inspection

Act -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. GRIMES: The Member for Gander - again, I like it when they speak

because it is very enlightening. He says, the act is about the Fish Inspection

Act, and the Leader of the Opposition is talking about rural Newfoundland. He is

trying to suggest that I am off topic. Well, where do you think they inspect the

fish? In St. John's? There aren't any fish plants in St. John's, I will

have you know. There aren't any fish plants right in the City of Corner Brook.

There aren't any fish plants in Gander. They don't inspect fish in the

middle of Gander. Maybe the member might know that.

MR. TAYLOR: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: A point of order has been raised.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and

Labrador Affairs.

MR. TAYLOR: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

The Leader of the Opposition might know, he might, but if he knew about the

fishing industry he would know that actually St. John's is one of the largest

ports in the Province for offloading fish.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, a huge amount of fish actually get inspected at

dockside here. Just a point of clarification. If I took any of his time away, he

can certainly have it afterwards.

MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of order.

The Chair recognizes, again, the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Again, Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the interjection of the Minister of

Fisheries and Aquaculture. If he was listening, which obviously he wasn't, my

point was, and I said it clearly, that I understand how busy a port the City of

St. John's is.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. GRIMES: I can tell you, Mr. Speaker - and if he wants to stand again,

I will put it to him now to set the record straight. Is there a fish plant,

which is what I said - there is no fish plant, I said, in St. John's - is

there a fish plant in the City of St. John's? I ask him to answer the

question. No answer, Mr. Speaker, because he knows the answer is, there is no

fish plant in the City of St. John's. I was making the point, there is no fish

plant in Gander. I was making the point that the Member for Gander said: Well,

how can you stray from a topic of fish inspection and talk about rural

Newfoundland and Labrador? Where do you think the fish plants are, if they are

not in rural Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker?

Let me continue. The plan to save them - and the Minister of Fisheries and

Aquaculture is sponsoring this bill on fish inspections. Unfortunately, the

problem is this. There are going to be a lot less locations to inspect the fish.

It is inspected when it is landed, so at the ports it will be inspected. There

is inspection done in the boats as it is landed. The problem is this, we have a

Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture today who, when he got a bit frustrated in

Question Period, began to pontificate about his true beliefs. His true belief,

he said, always, ever since before he got elected, was that he believes there

are too many fish plants in Newfoundland and Labrador. He is nodding his head

now, saying: Yes, I said it. Yes, I agree. I want to tell the people the truth.

That is what I believe in.

You have the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture for the Province now on an

agenda that he will tell us the truth because he wants to tell the truth. He

will tell us the truth sometime about how many plants he actually plans to

shutdown, and there will be no need of fish inspection acts in those plants

because they won't exist. There will not be much fish inspection, I would

suggest, Mr. Speaker, next year this time in Harbour Breton. I can pretty well

assure them of that. I can guarantee them there will be very little, if any,

fish inspection going on in Fortune next year this time, Mr. Speaker. He knows

that, and he is nodding his head again because he knows it to be true.

You get to the whole point, Mr. Speaker, but it is too bad we did not have a

Fish Inspection Act of this nature when there were lots of plants. What he

argues is this, Mr. Speaker. He argues: Where were the Liberals when all of

those plants were shutting down in the mid-1990s. Well, the Liberals were the

government, Mr. Speaker, and guess what was happening in the mid-1990s, from

1992 on? There was a moratorium on the fishery.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. GRIMES: Yes, and I do know it is still in place, Mr. Speaker, but the

year before that the quotas were several hundred thousands tons of fish. The

year after, they were practically zero, and the people in the communities knew

that their plants were not going to operate because they had no fish.

Now, the quotas have not reduced. The Minister of Fisheries is saying I am

right. The quotas have not reduced since then. He says I am right. So, why are

they closing now? Not because the quotas went from several hundred thousand down

to a few thousand. They are closing because the companies want to make more

money.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. GRIMES: The minister and the Premier want the companies to make more

money, because it is the business approach above all else, Mr. Speaker. Do they

care if the people of Harbour Breton ever work in the fishery again? No, they do

not. Do they really care if the people of Fortune ever work in the fishery and

the plant again? No, they do not, because they believe there are too many plants

anyway.

I say to the Member for Humber Valley, if you believe in your heart and soul,

as the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture does, that there are too many

plants, you have to honestly look somebody in the eye, in some community, and

say: There is not future for you.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say I believe all of you should work

with what you have always done, and also say you have too many fish plants. You

might be able to twist that around and have it both ways and it might make

sense. It does not make sense to the ordinary person in Newfoundland and

Labrador. It cannot make sense to anybody who steps out of bed on any side of it

in the morning. You would have to be dead for that to make sense to you. It

makes no sense whatsoever.

We have had another true admission and confession, a very startling one, in

this Legislature today, from the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture who says

there are too many plants. By the way, all of you agree with it. All of you

agree with it because you are in the caucus. You are going to stand up and vote

for whatever he brings forward, as the Minister of Fisheries, so that means you

agree with it. Now, go out in your own district, I say to the Member for Humber

Valley, and tell them which communities that have fish plants today that you

think do not belong there next year, and probably should not have been there

last year. That is the challenge for you.

The Member for St. John's North does not have to worry about that because

he knows the fish plant that was down here on the south side closed over ten

years ago, but there is a whole lot more going to close if you listen to the

Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

Now, back to the Fish Inspection Act, back directly to the Fish Inspection

Act, Mr. Speaker. I made the point about Mr. Dunne's recommendations. I am

willing to believe, this time, that they are not misusing Mr. Dunne's name

like they did the last time, because that was an affront to Mr. Dunne. He is

owed an apology, I believe, with respect to the licensing board, where he

recommended an independent board like the Liquor Commission and they brought in

a piece of legislation which was an advisory board and pretended they were doing

what Mr. Dunne said. I am hoping there is no pretense in this, Mr. Speaker. I am

hoping it is not here.

Just let me give one example, and we will do these, Mr. Speaker, in more

detail in Committee. One example, while I am speaking to this bill in principle,

about the tie-in to the government, I heard several ministers stand up today and

present annual reports. One of them was for Innovation and Trade. Another one

was for Government Services. I think there were two or three tabled today.

AN HON. MEMBER: Women's Policy Office.

MR. GRIMES: Women's Policy Office, two or three reports, and guess what

the script is? They are a very well-scripted group. The script was, in the

spirit of - and here it is, on the front of another bill, by the way, Bill 39,

not passed yet, not even debated in second reading yet, but the minister stood

up today presenting reports and said: In the spirit of transparency and

accountability - because there is

an act before this Legislature called

An Act

To Enhance The Transparency And Accountability Of The Government And Government

Entities To The People Of The Province. Today, I think we had three ministers

stand up and present annual reports and said: In the spirit of accountability

and transparency, I present this report.

It ties directly to this act, because guess what they are asking the fish

processors to do? They are asking the fish processors - if they listened to

their minister, and I am sure they did listen to him as intently as I did - he

said one of the changes that they are bringing in, he compared it to forestry.

He said, for the first time in history, the fish processors are going to be

asked, by law, to present an annual plan as to what their processing plan is for

the year. So, the law is changing. They do not have to present that to the

government today, by the way, because the law does not require it. So, that is

being touted as a good new initiative. The companies like FPI, by the way, like

Quinlan's, like Daley's, like a whole bunch, all of them, big or small, are

going to have to present an annual plan of how they are going to proceed with

their processing operations for the next year.

I would say to them, if they are serious about enhancing the transparency and

accountability of the government, they would also suggest that the plan not only

be given to the minister and tucked away in an office, but it also be published

in the area where they operate; so that down on the Burin Peninsula, whatever

plan FPI gives with respect to Marystown and Fortune and Burin, that they would

publish it in The Southern Gazette so that everybody in the area would

know what plan they gave the government, what they are planning to do this year.

Now, I tell you what, that is openness and transparency and accountability.

Will we see it? I don't know. I would hope we would. I am going to have a few

comments, too, Mr. Speaker, when we get to second reading, on transparency and

accountability, because I am a firm believer in it. I always was, still am, but

I am not a firm believer like the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture is, that

we should have fewer fish plants just because they do not make as much money as

they want in any one year and they are not making as big a profit; because the

minister admitted their quotas, by the way, have not gone down. Their quotas

have not gone down. FPI has not closed Harbour Breton because their quota was

They have not closed, not quite closed yet. My description of it is they have

not yet talked the people of Fortune into choosing which way they are going to

die. I do not think I am being to harsh in describing it that way. Some people

say a slow death or a fast death. It is not even that. It is two different

versions of a slowish kind of death. They are going to drag it out a little bit.

If you listen to the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, he would argue

that they did the right thing down in Harbour Breton. He just went and told

them. You shouldn't mislead them, you shouldn't lead them on, he said today.

You shouldn't prop them up with make-work projects. You shouldn't say, try

to get a few weeks working in your community where you want to live, where you

want to raise your children, your grandchildren. That is all wrong, he said. You

should just let them die. Give them all a ticket to Alberta. Get them on a plane

as fast as you can. Get them on the ferry.

AN HON. MEMBER: One way.

MR. GRIMES: A one-way ticket. I bet you the government would probably

bring in a program saying you can have a free airline ticket out to Alberta or

we will give you free transport on Marine Atlantic when you are leaving to look

for your job in Alberta or Southern Ontario. Now, if you come back to visit, I

bet they will make you pay for that. They might give you a free one to leave,

and that will be considered a good contribution, the right thing to do, because

if you listen to the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, that is the future

that he described today.

So, Mr. Speaker, if they link the requirement for an annual plan to

transparency and accountability - I will go a step further, and the people on

the Burin Peninsula will have it in The Gazette , but let me give you last

year's experience. Fishery Products International - and I feel quite free, by

the way, about speaking about them openly in the Legislature because they were

created by this Legislature. I do not feel quite as free speaking about Daleys

or Quinlans because there is no piece of legislation in here that talks about

them. There was no piece of legislation that created the other fish companies in

Newfoundland and Labrador. There are no obligations on them by a special act.

There are obligations under acts like this one, the Fish Inspection Act. There

are obligations on them under acts like the Licencing Act, but there are no

special obligations like there is for FPI.

Last year FPI told the people of Harbour Breton what their annual plan was;

the plan that is now going to be required by law. They told the people of

Harbour Breton what the plan was. It said: We will tell you - because they

usually bring them in around this time of the year, the people from Fortune were

in yesterday. It is around this time of the year that FPI - and I do not

hesitate to speak about FPI, they are a creature of this Legislature. Mr.

Derrick Rowe, the CEO says: I understand and acknowledge publicly that I have

two masters. I have a board of directors that I have to answer to, who wants me

to maximize profit for the shareholders. Never mind the workers, never mind who

owns the fish, just get as much money for us as you can. I am investing my money

in your company and I am hoping to get more back than I put in, and I want you

to make me some money. I do not care how you do it. Usually they do it by having

the fewest possible people work and touch a fish. Don't let people touch it.

Don't let the people of the Province touch a fish.

Their ideal circumstance is the $40 million they put into the factory-freezer

trawlers offshore. Don't even bring it on land, sir. Catch it out there;

fillet it out there; process it out there; freeze it out there and drop it off

wherever you want to sell it. Now whoever is on the boat gets a bit of work, but

who works in Marystown under that scenario? Nobody. Who works in Fortune?

Nobody. Who works in Harbour Breton? Nobody. Now, is Derrick Rowe doing a good

job for one of his masters when he does that? Absolutely! And they carry him

around on their shoulders and they say: Good for you, Mr. Rowe. You made us some

money. You made us more money this year than you made for us last year. We are

proud of you, Mr. Rowe.

Well, it happens that Mr. Rowe says: I have another master. He says: My

second master is the government. Now, they might not want to believe that. They

are trying to run away from that. They do not want to acknowledge that. They

want to wash their hands of that. They want to deny it. Even a federal MP, like

Mr. Matthews, said: They are sitting on their hands allowing the willful, total

destruction of the FPI Act. That is not me, that is a federal Member of

Parliament saying that.

So here is Mr. Rowe out there, who is the CEO of the company, saying - in the

local papers by the way, The Sunday Independent , The Telegram , The

Newfoundland Herald , and anybody else who will write what he says. He said:

I understand that I have two masters, and one of them is the government.

Usually, from the government the person who then acts as the master is either

the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture or the Premier, or both.

They were asked in Question Period today: What about it? They said, well they

met with Mr. Rowe ten days ago about Fortune. Ten days ago, Mr. Rowe, the

Premier, the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, and the President of the

Fisheries' Union, Mr. McCurdy, and when asked: What did you discuss? We

discussed FPI's future plans for Fortune. When asked about it yesterday, the

Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture said - he did not say what he said, he did

not say what the Premier said as one of the masters - what the fisheries

president said. He said Mr. McCurdy didn't say anything.

Remember now, remember what our Premier has said about the Atlantic Accord.

He said: I wrote to Mr. Martin, as the Prime Minister, and laid out our plan. He

did not write back. He did not say anything. He did not object, so that meant he

agreed. Then he said: I wrote him again and he did not argue with anything I

said. He did not say anything. He did not object to anything, that means he

agrees.

Today we asked the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture: What did he say in

that meeting? As one of the masters, because he is not in there as a

subservient, he is not in a begging position. He is in a control position

acknowledged by Mr. Rowe, himself. What did he say? Nothing. He said nothing

about Fortune. So did he just sit there and nod, and say: Oh, yes, put out two

options. Two options were described for Fortune: die slow or die slower. He

said: The president of the fisheries union did not say anything. So, he must

have agreed that that is okay, you just die one way or the other. The minister

did not challenge it, so he must agree. He must agree that it is okay for

Fortune to die, it is just a matter of which way. Today he stood in the House

and said: It is not up to me. They have to pick which way to die. That is what

he answered in this House today - a stunning answer. Nothing I can do about it.

He is saying there is nothing I can do about it and Mr. Rowe is out in the

public saying: I understand that the government is one of my two masters. It is

astonishing, Mr. Speaker, absolutely mind-boggling to see what is happening.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, as I was saying, if they link it to openness and

transparency they would have put the plan in the papers as well, but the plan in

Harbour Breton, the annual plan that they are now going to be required to put in

by law, said you will operate for twenty-two weeks. You will operate for

twenty-two weeks in 2004. They did operate for fourteen weeks in the spring.

They shut down temporarily in April, which has been the normal course of

operation, as I understand it, in Harbour Breton for the last few years. Then

they expected they would come back for the remaining eight weeks or so this

fall, September, October and so on, because the company had told them you are

going to operate for twenty-two weeks. In the plan that they will now be

required by law to publish - which then should also, in my view, be in the local

paper; the Coaster , I believe it is, on the Connaigre Peninsula. It

should be published in that paper. But, would it matter if it was published or

not? Because the company halfway through the year said: We changed our mind.

When we get to that in committee stage we will say: okay, they will publish the

plan. They are going to publish the plan - not only FPI now, but all of them are

going to be required to publish a plan - but we will check it further and see

what happens if they change the plan partway through the year, because they had

a plan in Harbour Breton and before the year was over: the plant is closed. They

had a plan in Fortune. Before the year's end, they are being asked to choose

which way to die.

The minister now, scary thought - the minister who, a week ago, said: It is

not up to me. This is how it is changing. This is how the sands are shifting. It

is not a good comparison for a fish story but this is how the water is changing,

I guess, the ripple on the water is changing. A week ago he said: It is not up

to me to talk about the plans of FPI in the Legislature. FPI should talk about

that. I do not work for FPI. Well, he has us fooled. He looks to me like a fella

that I have seen, lots of workers at FPI who used to be proud to wear their FPI

caps, FPI on the front. I have seen lots of them wear it. They used to wear them

with pride. He should have one on. He should have a full suit on. A little badge

here, a little thing saying FPI. I am not allowed to mention people's names

but it would be TT, FPI, TT working for FPI. Probably a communication job, I

would expect, because that is all he has been doing, communicating their

messages. But, in any event, Mr. Speaker, in the those plans we will check and

see if there is some way to help these people because he had an opportunity to

do something about it but chose to sit on his hands and do nothing.

Mr. Speaker, I won't belabour these points here other than to say, there

are some terrible things happening in rural Newfoundland and Labrador that are

linked directly to the Fish Inspection Act, because fish inspection happens when

the fish is landed and while it is being processed. The minister is saying,

there will be less plants to process it in, and I believe that is the right

thing for Newfoundland and Labrador, which means they all believe that. All of

the Conservative Caucus believe that. That is now the government position.

When I mentioned today, what about Englee in his own district, what about

Black Duck Cove that only had a new operator go in there a few years ago - very

close, by the way, and adjacent to places like Port au Choix and Anchor Point.

Does he believe that there are too many plants too close to each other there?

They are processing similar products, by the way. He said: It is going to have

to be rationalized. Last week he said: I don't feel comfortable talking about

FPI. Guess what he did outside the Legislature yesterday? Talked about

Bonavista, which is an FPI operation. Not FPI, it wasn't FPI talking about

Bonavista, it wasn't Derrick Rowe, it wasn't Mr. Carrigan talking about

Bonavista yesterday. Guess who was talking about an uncertain future for

Bonavista yesterday? The Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture for Newfoundland

and Labrador, who, along with the Premier, believes there are too many fish

plants in this Province.

In the same interview, not even on different days in a different interview,

in the same interview on the same day, in the same five or six minutes before

the tv camera, he was talking about too many plants; can't be sustained; we

have to have fewer plants in the future. He said: Bonavista, by the way, is not

a very good plant. Poor infrastructure, he says. Now, there is a good link. What

are the people of Bonavista supposed to think? People opposite today, when I

mentioned a couple of communities, started to say, but then they stopped:

fearmongering. Well, I am telling you, Mr. Speaker, if there is any

fearmongering about Bonavista, it is being done full bore by the Minister of

Fisheries and Aquaculture on behalf of the Government of Newfoundland and

Labrador.

The Member for Bonavista South is probably shaking in his boots, because the

Member for Bonavista South, by the way, has also heard the minister who he

supports in that Cabinet, who has now articulated a government policy saying: We

have too many plants here. Guess which one he named as an example? Bonavista.

How do you think the Member for Bonavista South and his constituents felt about

that? Guess what? It is probably the first time he heard the minister say that

officially on behalf of the government, right here in the Legislature, recorded

in Hansard. I will bet a lot of money, too, Mr. Speaker, that he will try to

find some way - the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture - to wiggle away from

that, to back off from that, because I am sure the Member for Bonavista South is

going to talk to him. He should probably be talking to him, because how do you

think the people in Englee felt? I bet you the Member for St. Barbe is going to

start talking to him, because how does he think the people in Black Duck Cove

felt today when they heard the minister say there are too many plants, boys. How

does he think the people in Anchor Point felt today when they heard him get on?

He was being passionate about it. He wasn't giving a casual answer. He said, I

have always believed it. I believed it even before I got into politics. There

are too many plants out there.

I don't know about Port aux Choix, I don't know about Anchor Point and

Black Duck Cove, but they are all pretty close together and the member knows

that. The Member for St. Barbe knows that. He knows they are all shrimp plants,

and he knows that if the companies like FPI get their way, they would put all of

the shrimp in one plant, just like FPI is going to put all of the groundfish in

Marystown. Then, when they no longer have any use for Marystown, that is gone

and it will all be done at sea. That is the plan for FPI.

Here is the difference, Mr. Speaker, and I will finish here. FPI is a company

that the CEO acknowledges has the government as one of its two masters. He said

it in the public media: I recognize that the government is one of my masters.

You won't hear Mr. Quinlan say that, you won't hear Mr. Daley say that,

because it is not true. They have to live by the general laws of the land. There

is no special act for them, and they would never say that the government is one

of my masters - but Derrick Rowe said it openly and freely.

In the FPI plants, which are now under siege, where the government is one of

the two acknowledged masters, what are they doing about it? Nothing! What are

they going to do about it in the plants that are not owned by FPI, that are not

under any special act of this Legislature? If they are doing nothing with the

ones that they own by being the boss, well, I guess the rest of them can rest

assured they are not going to lift a finger to help Englee, they are not going

to lift a finger in Black Duck Cove, they are not going to lift a finger in La

Scie, and they are not going to lift a finger in Triton. Triton is an FPI

operation, I think, isn't it? It is still an FPI one. Sure, they are not going

to do anything there anyway; that is FPI. That is one that they are one of the

masters of, and they are not going to.... If they want to change operations in

Triton, they know they can do it now anyway; they can do what they like.

Mr. Speaker, I will stop there for now. I do appreciate having had the

opportunity, and I am sure now that the Member for Gander knows why it is

appropriate, when you are debating a bill in principle about fish inspections,

to talk about rural development and the rural survival of communities in

Newfoundland and Labrador generally, because this whole place is here because of

fish. That is why Newfoundland and Labrador was founded in the very first

instance, 500-and-something years ago, on the eastern edge of the North American

Continental, because of fish. It is still the fishery that, by and large,

sustains the greatest part of rural Newfoundland and Labrador, and you have a

government acknowledging today that they think there are too many fish plants

and that there should be rationalization, and that they are going to let it

happen even in a circumstance where they have some control over the issue.

Mr. Speaker, there are other issues to talk about in the act, and we will

talk about them in more detail when we get into the Committee stage. I do

believe I made the point adequately, as well, that I would hope - I have not

looked through it thoroughly - that where Mr. Dunne is being referenced in this

act, that his name is not being used inappropriately as it was in the last act

that was passed in this Legislature, suggesting that it had something to do with

Mr. Dunne.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to speak to this particular bill,

Bill 57, at second reading.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Twillingate & Fogo.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, would like to speak to Bill 57,

An Act To Amend The Fish Inspection

Act.

It starts off by saying: This bill would amend the Fish Inspection Act to

implement recommendations of the Fish Processing Review Commission, the

"Dunne Report."

What he is basically saying is, he is amending the Fish Inspection Act to

bring it in line with what Mr. Dunne suggested in his report.

If, Mr. Speaker, I knew for a fact that was all he was going to do - bring it

in line with what Mr. Dunne recommended in his report - I would feel a lot

better. I know Mr. Dunne personally, and I know that he has a fair degree of

knowledge of the fishing industry, and I know that he is an honest and honorable

man, but I stood here the other night until close to 1 o'clock talking on

another recommendation that Mr. Dunne made, or it was said that Mr. Dunne made.

The minister rose on a number of occasions, not only in this House but in the

Province, and said that he was implementing an independent licensing board as

recommended by Mr. Dunne, and indeed Mr. Dunne did recommend an independent

licensing board, but that is not what the minister put before the House the

other night. He put before the House the other night, an advisory board that did

not resemble whatsoever what Mr. Dunne recommended in his report.

What I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is, for those opposite, they should look

carefully at this piece of legislation, because simply because the minister says

it is what Mr. Dunne is recommending, to use the words of the House Leader over

there, the Government House Leader, to simply say that this is what Mr. Dunne is

recommending does not necessarily mean that is so. Just because the minister

says this is so, does not necessarily mean it is so. The prime example of that

the other night was when he said: I am doing this because Mr. Dunne recommended

it, and it was nothing close to what Mr. Dunne recommended.

Mr. Speaker, the second or the third line says that the bill pertains to

various housekeeping amendments. If you talk about housekeeping amendments, for

the most part, in government, it is just changing a few rules and regulations,

but I suggest to those new members in the House of Assembly, like the Member for

Burin-Placentia West, and like the Member for Humber Valley, and like the Member

for Trinity-Bay de Verde, whenever anybody mentions the Fish Inspection Act -

and I say it to these people because they all represent districts that have a

fishery; even my colleague from Humber Valley has a fish plant in her district,

and a very good fish plant - whenever anybody mentions the Fish Inspection Act,

even to do some housekeeping things, your ears should perk up, and the reason

they should is because anything you do in the fishery in this Province has an

impact and effect on the biggest industry that we have, the most important

industry that we have in this Province. So, I suggest to those new members who

have fisheries and have fish plants in their district, they should pay very

careful attention even to the housekeeping items because you might go back to

your district one of these days and be faced with

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