Volume XL Friday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard} Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 41 20 May 1988

The House met at 10:00 a.m. MR_: SPFBI<E~_.i._McNi cho1a_il: Or·d e r' , p l E~ i:l s l~ ! Sc;!l·o;~E~ call. i.ng Foi" f)Ul ·l.emont-.s by M i n :i s t e r s , I IAJ o u 1 d 1 j I< e t o we 1 c om e t o l:: h ('! g ;:,, 1.1 E~ I" -i. o s L h .i. t' l:. y C r <:1 d o X T students and their teacher, Roy Goos(:!, fr·orn WhiLbournc,~ High School. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear I hE!ar! MR. SPEAKER: Also, sixty students and six teachE!rs from Net.uviJ.J.e EleHnentary School in New World Island. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear I hE!ar! Statements by Ministers MR. BUTT : Ml". Speai<EH". MR.

SPEAKF·I~: The hon. the M~lrdster of Culture, Recrc,H~ li.on &\nd You lh. MR. BUTT: T h a.n k y o u , r-1 r . ::5 p e r.t k r:~ ,~ . .?OtJ£ HON. _f"lU'ItLI,:;.~_§ : Hear, hE!ar! MR. BUTT : Mr. Speai<E!rl I u.d.sh to inform the hon. House that on May 20-29, 1988, over· 7.S m:i.l1:i.on Canadians i~.Jill be participaLing in C:·l uniqUE! nj ne-.. ·day celebration known as 11 Canada 1 s F:itJ ... JeE!k 11 • Canada's Fitweek is a major promotional campaign designed to s tirnu latE! g reate r pel r tid. pa U. on in physical activity and fitness.

Iri keE!ping lAJith the! goals of the Dc;!p_ar·UnE~nt of CuJ.LurE•, Rc,~cr·r:~<:J.tion 1...217 r., May 201 1977 Uol XL and Youth, Fitwr:~ek. also aJ.ms to he.i.gh Lon t:he i':\I~J<H'enE:~~' s of l:hE! bE:~nefits of an actiVE! liFE!Sty1E! t.uh.J.l. t:! s Lro rig th E:1 n .i. ng lh('! I'll'! I::!~.JO r k of individual groups and organi.Lat.J.ons offering those prog rarnrne s . In k BE! ping u.Ji t h thE! ·Fil"Sl:.

Fi.l:l.Ut:!Ok lc.,lunchE:!cl ·i.n 1.983, t hi s y E! a r 1 s c amp ;:d g n u.d. 11 a g a :i. n Feature a number of nation - wido, mass-participation projects sponsored by twenty national and pro~incial health and fitness associations, twelve provincial and tE!rritoriaJ. governments and Fitnr:~ss CanadcL This yE:H:tr' 1 s l:h1:Hill?. is "CE!lebrat.E! Cood TirnE!S 11 1 with OVE!r 13,000 events being held ail across Canada. ThE!SE! E!Vents rant:JE! from Sl.&.J:imm:ingl cycling, r'i.'lcquc~t: sports, to waJ.king and numerous unicpte locctl ac t:ivit.J.E!S.

In NE!WfoundJ.and and L.abr·ador J.as;t YE!ar I ~\pprox'itTI<Oii"J!ly 60,000 Plo!OplE! were involved in numerous ;:-lcti.lJ-i . ti.(~S dui~.i . ng r:·tttveto!k and this year WE! antid.patE! betl.&.JeE!n 701000 t'\nd 100,000 p(~oplE! i.twol.v(~d. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, h(:~ar! MR. BUTT: Along with the participants, an E!normous amount of voluntE!E!r wor·k hc.·1s also gon(;! into thi.s cc.-\tnpa:i.g·n with over 300 1 000 volunteers helping out all. across the country.

The ultimate quccess of Canada 1 s F:i.tWE!ek can only bE! rnadE! possible by the ded-icated work of these nurnE!rous voJ.untE!ers and var·:i.ous associations and groups. There are 25 towns in Newfoundland cl n d L a b r c:·1 d o r· h o s t ·.:i. n q L h C:! 'i r o lAIn cornrnurdty FitwE•E!k t:!VE•nLs dur:Lng Canada's F:i.Lweel<, along with Provincial Health and Filness A!>SOC:iaLiOi'lS c:·lnd 300 No. 41 R217S

:individual communib.E!S thal: are also hosting thE!ir own uniqUE! events. From Nain to Labrador City and from St. Anthony to St.. John's, hundreds of local and national E!Vents wjJ.l b10~ thE! order of· t:I·H~ day, Mr. Spc,~akE~In. My department has been coordinating the nationaJ. and · provincial projects with these pi~ouincL·ll assoc:iations and thE! abovr:~ gr·oups, E!nsur"i.ng l:ha L i'IS many pE!Ople as possiblE!, get out a n d be come <:l c l.: i lJE:~ d t.lr' i. n g F i. t:lAJ E! e k 1988. A lol: of pr·ov"i.nci.al. go~Jer·niTiont departments have also taken the :i n .i.

L: "' t :i. v !'::~ 1:1 n d a r· e p C:ll" t .. i c i. p a l.: i. n g i. n vad.ous projects throughout. thE! lAJElE:~k. (.)good 0Xr.tmpl.c,1 .is l.:l'l(,1 11 Sneake:1r Day Pr·ojc~ct". MR. MATTI .. I EWS : Put on your sneakers . MR. BUTT : Yes. I must ITIE!nU.on that today ts "Snt':!akE!r Day" May 20 and to promotE! this unique E!VE!nt a gr'E!at pink sneakE!r boot, Mr. Speaker, wa s 1 au n c he d j u s t o u t s J. dE! t he Confederation Building yesterday. This pjnk SI1E!akE!r is the off:id.aJ. logo for Canada's F'itiAJc,1E~k and IAJ'i.ll be USE!d c~t various E!Vents around the city this week.

As mi.n i.s l.:E!r l~espon~dble "F:itnE!S s", I ur·gE! hoi-,. iTil,!ilibE!r·s all p c,1 o p J. c,1 of N OlAJ F o un ell d n d lab1"ado1" Lo LakE:1 pa1"t in as el;enl:s ns poss.ibl.c:! clul"·i.ng l.:ho of May 20 - 29, lhis year. For· and c'11'ld many I1J8 E:! I< MR. YOUNG: 'i5ou"s""-a:··-fa u 0 u r . Do not lAIE!c'lr your· p:ink SI'H~f.·lkE!i"S. t1 .. ~-· _B l.Q'J : L2176 May 20, 1977 UoJ. XL As part oF hon. members' cormrd tmE!nt. to Fit·.IAIE!E!k, I challE!ngE! a 11 of you to j o in tAli t h rne for today', May 20, and kick off Fitwec;!k by IAJr::1ar:ing snE:1akE!rs.

M"inE! arE! on thr.;! way herE!, by thE! way, a n d I lAd J. 1 p u t t:. h (,' rn o n . r h e y d r· e corning OVE!r now. WhE!reUE!r hon. TnE!IrlbE!rs rnay bE:• durtng . Canada's Fitweek, I urge you i:o contact your totAJn off:.i .CE!, y o u 1"- :~ tH; r r:1 6\ l i. o n f) ('! p cl r i:. me n t , o J" m y office and gE!"l: pE!rsonaJ.ly :i.nvo1VE!d tAJ"i.'i.:h l.:h.i.s t.ln--Lque CE!l.ebl"cll.::i.on. Consult your T. U. and r·acl:i.o ~JuidE!

And newspctpors For schodul.es of E~unn · l:s :-i.n your r.lr't:1a. (.):; Cl fi'1JTIOt.IS C1"oek ph.i.l.osoph('!l" once said, "Fitness :i.s not on:Jy a state of n1 i. n d , b u 1-. <'ll ~., o i'l s l:. c:-1 l': C'! oF motion". So gt,~t up, gEd: out and got c:-~cl.: "i.lJE!, i:'lnd 11 Ci!:1lf:!bl"etl:.E• good times". Thank you VE!ry rnuch, Ml". Spc,1al<c·H'. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hE!ar r---- Mfl. K. AYLWARD : r·1r·. Spc~aker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. StE!phc,1nvi.llt:1 . Ml~. K. AYLWARD: thE! 1:T, an G-c~u:··-M-r~ speak E! r . For· Mr.

SpE!ai<EH', I tAJould 1ikE! to thank l:hr:! rn::i.ni.sl.:e;" fo;" h.i.s sl'.ctl'.:ement. i•1y c: o J 1 e a g u E! F r·· o rn r:: a g J E! r·h u ~:! r· ( M r· . lli.scock) could nol: be hE'!I"O th-:.i.s tnOJ"ning, so, on his bE!haJf, 1 r.~.Joul.cl l. i ko l:o l"espond l:.o thE! stateiTIE!nt. J l. i. S IAJ :-i. l:. h g I" 0 i'l l.: p l. (! d S U I" E! l: h i:·1 l:. lAJ CO! rise on this side to celebrate ~itness Woek ~ncl to see 'it weJcomed into the Province. We haue Lho Summer games coming up No. 4-1 R217p

this surnmr:1r, c\l'lcl I L:hink i.n Mount Pr:1arl tAle at~e going to see a great number of porformancGs by a lol of young people fr·om all ovEir thE! P r o v -L n c c,1 . ·nw y h iHJr~ b E:HHl 1. o o k L n g fol"IAJal~d to it, and I am looking fon.•mi~d l.:o sOE!:i. ng 1rli':1ny pt~opl.o pal~ticipate in that C-?.VE!nt this ~3ummer. Thai: :J. !; one of the highlights, Mr. Speaker. The th·ing Rbou1. F:il:l'lE!SS Wc;!C;!k. is e:wet"ybody, of aJ.l agE!S, should bE! "involved and should bC:1 gEd:t"i.ng out. As thE! Oppos:ltion HouSE! Leacle:1r (Mr·.

Tulk) sRJd to me;! tl'ds morning, he is gE!tting rE!ady to set his garciE!n out in Fogo this weE!kE!l'ld, and hE! inv:ltE!S all hon. member·s out thc;!re this tJ.JeekE!nd to heJ.p him out. I have beE!rt looking at this Ministerial Statement which says IJ.Je tAJcHtt to 11 CE!1ebratE! good times 11 , <:~nd :.i.t al~;o dta11C:11'l9E!S us 11 Lo IAJE!etr snE!akE!rS I 11 Ml". SpE!aker. WeJ.ll I think L•JE!, on this side, i~1re go"i.ng to be putting our sneakers on and giving you ladies and gentlomen the proverbial boot. Thank you, Mr. Spc:h'lkE!r'. SOMI: l-ION. MEMrl f. R:3 : If ear· I he:HH'! MR.

SPFAKFR: ThE! hon . t-.hc mc~tnbE!r' For ~3L. John 1 s East. MR. LONG: That v.Jas FH'E! u~y funny. rl'l(:1 lTlE:1tnbC:1r for Stephenville was very quick on that one, giving the government thE! boot today. Mr. Spea bH', I havE! to say that thE! rnor'E! S l~atE!TIIE!rllS we rE!CE!iVE! fJ"6tn this rn:i.rd.st.er, l:.hE! JnOI"E! I think the namE! of thE! Mj nist:E!r' s Department should be changed. CuJturel Recreation and Youth is already a long ne:Hne, but:. I do no!: 1...2177 May 20, 1.977 VoJ. XL t.h'i.nk t L tAJOLtl.d bo Loo much L:o add 'fun' to it.

This is the ministE!r ' foi~ fun, clE!i:~i"ly I·IE! corn~:!s in with his statements and has gi"E!at fun llli'l.l<i. ny hi.s !>lf.lLemEHtl:.s, and J.s constantly Pl"ornoU.ng, in an of ·r · i.cJi:~l IAJi:~y, tl'tdl: UtE! P~'ople:' oF this Province get out to our parks a ri d h a 'J r;! r u n , g E:! t o l.ll" c\ n e d !< r,~ r· s o n and haVE! fun. I thought for surE! Utr;! 1rri.n:i.s i.:(H' tAJi'IS go -i.ng l::o come:! ·in wiLh hi.s sneakers on. MR. BUTT: I w~J.l have them here soon . MR. LONG: Ok~y. I would encourage the rninistE!r to takE! UtE!

J.eacl in th(! 300 communities to try and set somE! gqals f'or hirnseJ.f, to SE!O hoiAI many of LheSE! cornrnunitiE!S arE! participating so that hE:! rn:ight ~H! c:tb1E~ t·.o r'ttn th1"ough and rnak1:1 an appE!arancE•.

And the other Ud.ng 1 mtght SclY :i.s 1-:.hHl:, g"i.tJ(,11'l t:hi'll : l:.hJs :is l~hE~ E!Vf;! of the long WE!ekend 1 I tJ.JOu1d t'! n c ou rag o t hr~ mi. ni s lt'! ,~ i:·l nd a l J. others members to take the lead on F-Ltweok, And recreat·i.on for t-.he long weekend, by e ncou t~agi ng our· !; 1.: a f r i'l n d p 8 0 p J. n i. n 0 u j" 0 f r J c e s t 0 take the aftE!rnoon off and l:wgin fc'i:U"ly l:Ocli•1y Lo pi'H'l..:i.c-i.pal:E:! :in FittAJeek and the long ·recrE!ational tAJOC:1kc,Htcl. Thank yo111 Mr. SpE~akel". Oral Questions MR. SIM(I.10NS: Mr. SpE!aker . MR . SPEAKER: T h E! h o n . Ut E!

H C'! r· rni 1.: a q E! . MR. SIMMONS: Mr. SpE!akE!r', lhe M.inj_st:E:'r No. 4-1 I have a question For of For· c,~ s :1:: l" y ( Mr· . R . R2177

AyltAJard), tJJho IAJ:ill bE:1 atAJare tht'\1 .: Kruger is about to spend $400 tnill.ton to exp<:·Hld ·i.ts Thre101 l~.iVE!r's plant in Quebec,· and in particular, would install a new paper machinE! with a capacity of lBO,OOO metr:ic tons, the equivalent of the combined capacity of the No . 3 and No . 7 machine at Corner Brook? Can the minister confirm for the House, Mr. Speaker, that this -expansion at: Thr't'::H:1 rhvt'::H'S is t.:hE:1 rl!:1i:\l rE!i.~son for Kruger 1 s decision not to procEH!d IAd.th ·.its eRrl.iE!r plc:·\n Lo modernize No . 3 machine at Corne!r Brook? 1'11JR . SPEAKER : The han. thE!

Min:i ster of Forest I~C' !SClltrces. Ml~. 1~. AYI.WAfW: Ml". Spc;H:ti<er, that has nothing to do w:i.l:.h th(~ i'lcl:.ltt'il modr:!r'n "'i. zctt""i.on of No. 3 rnc-lChine :in the:1 Kruger· rrrill. "'t Corl'wr Brooi<. Mr. Speaker·, l<rugt~r rnoVE!d to part of our Province several years ago when we had a potentially disasl:rous situat.ion on the West Coast in thE! SE!Cond largE!St city in our Province, the only other· city, although another one will be startc-:1d up shortly. Kruger rnoVE!d in thE!re, Min.

Speake!r, thE!Y signed an agreernE!nt. with us t:o modernize the mill for about $167 milJ.ion, e:-:~nd about 20 per C(:1nt. of thi'IL t~li:'IS a government contribution. To date, Mt". Spe:1aker, they arE! up :in !"h::o1 $253 rni.11. Lon nu1ge of l·:ho i. r mod~~n1".ization plan in Corner B r· o o !< , M r . s p ~~ t'l k o r , a n d 1:: h o y i'\ i" c~ continu:i.ng to upgrade thc,1 plc~nt . Thc!y i'tl"c~ pi"Odl.lc:i.ng ITlOr'(~ pC!p(:!r there now than in the last few yectrs 8owaler was open, Mr . Speaker.

They have a commitment Lo l.: hG Cor· nc:! r l'lr·ook r:tr·ea, c·tnd l:. o t:he pulp and paper indu s try in N(' !l•Jfoundl.t~nd, Mr . ~::OpE:!HkC!r. 1.2178" May 20, 1977 Vol XL MR. STMMOI\JS: A supplementary, Mr·. SpeakE!Y' . MR. SPEAKER: --~ -A sup p 1E:1 tnE! n u~ r y , L he h on . thE! member for For·t.une -- HE!rllli tagE! . MR . SIMMONS : Mr·. Sp (~ aker, t•JE! hav~' h~~ a r·d thE• figurE!S SE!Veral times fr·orn l:h~:! M i n i s L (:1 r . We r' E:1 c o g n :i. z (c! t h C:·\ t:. IAI h 'i 1 E!

Kruger· dOE!S not haVE! any J.egc-ll obli~ation Lo modernize all five machines, that was certai.nly the sp-Lr·.i.L". of l:h(~ Hgr'(:1E:11Tient, I t.:h:i.nk the minister will agree . My ques l:..ion, by I.~Jay of" supplE!I"n C'!n l:. c:H'Y to the minister - MR. FENWICK: T h C! 1J h a lJ o ;:1 n o b l. "i. g <" L :i. o n o n N o s . ? and 3. I forgot to con s ult my J c~ (~ c\ -, o x p e r· L s o n l.: h c~ p h i 1. o s o p h t c lE!ft down thEH'E!. MR. SPEAI<ER : Ordc;!r, pl.E!c\Se! MR. SIMMONS: Mr.

Speaker, was the government CIIAJare, I ask the m:in:istc .;! r, wh~~ n i.t agreed to Kruger 1 s revised plan, for the Corm!r Brook rnill, i.e., to waive i ·l:'. s plans for· No . 3 , that l<ruger intended to rnal<e this massive investment at Three Rivers? And ln part:i.cular, Mr. Speaker, would the minister :indicate to the House what he expects will be the i~pact on pr·oducl:ion lE!lH1l s Rl·: Cor' I1 E! I" Brook of this investment in Three Rivers? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the M·i. ntsl.:E!i" oF For'(:!SL Resources. MR. R.

AYLWARD: M r· . ~) p (~ i7\ k t:! i .. , J. o o k ·i. n g <.·\ 1: L h e present world demand For n c~ IAI s p r· "i. n L , cl n d i n s p ~~ d k '"i. n g tAd L h the off i cials of the Kruger operctl i on, Lhc .expansion i n the No . 4-1 R2178

Three River plant not only will not cut down production in the Corner Brook area but, Mr. Speaker, I see it: as an opportunity maybe to be able to produce some pulpwood in the lrJc1bush di"C:'a oF ottl" P;···olJ i. nco dnd E!Xpol"t :it down on the tl"c"lins c o uri n g o 1J t o 1- l11l r:1 b u ~; h i'\ n d L h u ~; ~~Upply SOHH:~ of 1:1-tE! I"<:~IAJ matE!rial for lhdl : expanded rn.i.J.l. "i. n 'J'"hi"(!() River'S. That is l":i1E:~ IAJay I lAJOUld l. o o k a '1:. :i. t , M r . S p o i'l !< E! r .

I IAJ.i. l. l. be having a talk to the Kruger off.i.c.ir::~J.s to scH:! ·i.f t.•Jt~ ci'lnnoL lAJOr'!< out somE~thing. lrJE! haVE! a company .interE!StE'd in l:h<"! lrJE~sbH'n pi'lr't of Labrador now, in producing sorne lumbE~r r.Hld export:ing some pulp, so I would hope that the expansion in the Three Rivers area might provide them with an opportunity to be able to :incre:1ase:~ UHdr operation to the benefit of the Western Labrador portion of our ProvincE!. MR. BAI<ER: Mr. SpeakE1r . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the member Fot" Gander . MR. BAI<Er~: Mr. Sj:>()dkE!r, I h;,we i'1 qtwslion for· the;!

D<:'puty Pl"()mj.E!I" (Dr . CoLlins) conC('!Y'n ·i.ng Cc1p··i. Ldl. Cf1nadr :1, 1.11h i ch is the fiscal agent fot" thE! sale of Tc:!rl~a Nova Tel. l tAJOl.ll.d l. ·i.ko l:o put to thE! DE!puty Pi"EHniE!Y'. notAJ l.:hc'1t i. l: 'i. s publ'i.c i<notAJ1edgc !.·.hal thE! presidr,,nt·-OlAJI'IE!r. a onE!-·rrtan show, responsible For C~ptl~l Canada has bE!E!n idE!ntified as being on<,~ of Lhc;! clri.c;d·~ bcl<:JHIE!I1 · for John Cr·osbiE! 1 s leadE!rship campaign and that ·- M fL_~.lA~S.E : OrdE!r, plE!tHE!! ThE! hon. mr,!rnbc;!r .i.s SpE!eCh, I ask hJrn 1..21'79 Mety 20, 19'77 l'ni·1 k :i ng to as I< Vol.

X l. a a q tH:1 s t i. o n . Mf~. BAKER: Mr. Speaker, I br:1ci<ground i'lncl r qUE!Stion , am pr·ov:l.dJ n9 lAJl.ll gc;lt l·. o ·1: hE~ L hE• Is the Deputy Premier c oncerned r:·1 bo l.l t. l.l·w f<:1 c -1. 1: hc:d·. L ho OlAJI'l(!i" 0 r l:his company, the ono ---man shotAJ i~unn i. ng Lh i . ~> comp<:-:tny. I~Ji:qs t:I·H~ chief bagman for the leadership catnp<:\i.gn of Ml~ . Cr·o:;b-i.e, l~Jho was then thE! MinistE!r of Tr·ansport, :i.~; he conCE!r'ned Lh<::~L th .. i.s consti.\:ut( ;!s some kind of a conf1:ict?

If ~>o, w.i.ll the government not.: now ask the fE!dE!raJ. goVE!rnmE!I'It Lo halt l~he s~le process of Terra Nova Te l until there is an investigation? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. l: he M:in-.i.s t. ~::'r oF HeaH :. h . DR. COLLINS: M r . S p E! a k E! r , I 1: h i n k t h E! fa C t s cH' E! Lhat the provincial government has had no imput into this proce ss LlJhateVE!r. This .is sorneti'ring that CN did, and thE!Y djd jt ]n a l.og-:i. L "i.lni'lte mannor, I undE!Y'S l:.and. They went fol" proposc~J.s and thE!Y rocoi.ved quj.te a numbor of proposaJ.s.

ThE!Y werE! farni1ial" with t h o s n t1J h o h ''' d r' e s p o n d (;! d a n d , therefore, could assess them in l.tgh ·l: of i:hu IAJOi"k !.hey hi·1d clOI'lE! b e f o r e . So i t s e E! lTl s 1: o m ~ : ! i l: lAJCl s '" s l.t"a i.g h l for11.Ji.'l i"d pr·opos <:11; and I do not see what part we s hould p l. <.·1 y ·i. n 1. h c p r· o c e ~; s . I ~' u p p o s c;! -:i. 1:. could be J.ooked upon as an interfer e nco with a legitima te process.

The evidence seerns to shotAJ t:h c1l CN ar'E! doJng a good job and presumably if a good job J.s done the people of Gander and that.: part of thE:~ Pr·ov:i.ncE! wJ.JJ. bE!rlE•f:i.t Fr·om a good job . MR. BAKER : There i s a good job being somebody, Mr. Speaker. No . II.J done for' R2179

MR. SPEAI<ER: Th(~ hon.t.11c ln(;!mb<'!r for Gt.~ndci" . MR. BAI<EI~: Is thE! m:inister conCE!rl'lE!d that Robert Fosler of Capital Canada also has very close connections with Frank Moores, Craig Dobbin and Harr·y StE!E!]E:1, as po:intE•d out in l:he publ·ic press, and l":haL some of thE:1SE! J.ndividuals are connE!CtE!d to compan"iE!S that arE~ making b.i.ds on Tr:1rr·a Nova TE!l? On those grounds !).rill t.:he m:i.nist<,1r, on b<,1half of thE! goVE!rnrnE!nt, ask the fE!dl:H'al gover·nm<;!rd: to hal.l Uw sale until there is a complete :inv~1s l".:igal.:ion? SOME HON.

MEMBERS : 1 i Ci:1 a~-1-, E! 6\i~r----···-- Mf~. SPFAI<f~l~: ThE~ hon. Uw M:.Ln:ist<;!r' of HE!alth . DR. COLLTI\J~3: Ml". ~3p(;!akE:H', c1<-?.ar·ly the question i.s c~bsol.11l:~l y pol:i.t-i . c.:-1ll.y J.oi:~dod. My understanding is that thE! contrc1cl, or IAJhr.d:cuor :i.l i.s, ·i.:; lo put a package togE!ther. I thjnk t:hE:1 objE:1ct..iVE! sl'1011l.d b<,1, 1 Is "i.t 1:1 good package; wi1l it result in a more uiab1E! tomp1:u1y; 1:-~nd IAlill the the people "in Central NE!WfoundJ.and and t:hoSE! ar·<;•as gE!t bE:1tter· ser·v"ice out of it?

I If thE! hon. rnernbE!r wants to orientate the thing totally to somE! sort of spurious poJ..itical char·gE!, t•.H:dl lE!t h.irn clo it. But I think CN and everyone €! J. S E! "J S C 0 L1 C E! r• n (,1 d IAJ i l: h I.~J h i'\ [·. IAJ "i. J. J. rt;!sult ft"om this :in terms of telephone service and teJ.ecornrnunicat"ion ~;r:1rvicE!S for a 1. t.~ r q f:! p r· o p o r l: i. o n o F 1:: I·H,1 p o o p l. o o F Newfoundland.

That is what Uds govern1nent ·i.s conc<;!l"ned i:1bOIII: i'tncl 1~1e hc~UE! no I"E:!ason to suspr:1ct l:hat L he p ;n c ~; (;! n 1.: r.·\ l" r· i't n 9 o rnu n l:. ·i. ~; g o ·i n g to do any har·rn t:o that conc<;!pt, MR. [lAI<ER : L2180 May 20, 1977 Vol XL A ftnal supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A f-i.ndl suppJ.c;!!fl(;!nl:ary, l.:hE! the member for Gander. MR. BAKER : Il is a poJ.il:ical payoff suspE!Ct thE! fjx is in. MR. SPEAKER : OrdE!r, pJ.eaSE!! MR. BAKER: I~; l:hi . s govE:!r'nmonl":. conCE!l'"'l'l'''!cl the obvious conflict :in s-Llui:~ti.on, r:·\ncl I).Jhal iYtl'f'! you to do about :i.l:?

Ml~. SPFAKEI~ : hon . and I IAri. L h thjs go.i . ng ThE! hon. l:hE:1 Mintst.t=!r of I-IE~Cl .. l.th . DR. COl Lli\J~· ;: Ml". Speaker, I j LIS 1: hi~VE! l:.O r· e J. 1.: e r' r.·\ L: c~ l h a l ·i 1: -,, ~; no 1:: io\ rna t. l":. o I" that is in our hands. If we saw oui.donce t:ha1:. thE:!rO IAJas SO!Tl(;!l:h:inq dE!V:lous or undE!rhanded or hal"rnfu1 to th(;! pooplo of N(;!IAJfoundland, clearly IAJe would do sornEd:htng about i l:. ThEH'E:! is no E!U"idEH1ce, that I am aiAJare of, that thE! rnovc::i made by CN is harmful to NE!Wfoundland.

It SE!E!rns l:.o bE! a s tr·a.ightfort.uard, lE!gi l:::ima l:.E! approach to a problem. Now, the hon. rnembE!r has a pctrl:"icular focus and one cannot objE•ct to thc:d:, but onE! has Lo rr:'Cogn.i.z<~ t•.Jh,"'ll thi'\t focus .i"~. HJ-:; ·Focus Js totally and ul:.l·:erly and s""i.!Tlpl.y 1 .. -i.borr:·\J.. HE~ Cdn hdVE:! that: focus, but thE! hon. lTIE!rnbE!/'1 S focus cannot spro~d dCl"OS ~; E:!VE!l"Y actjvity that gOE!S on jn 1\JOIAifOI.Il"ldl.i:\l'lcl, MR. BAKER: ll: bE~ats cr'ook<:!dnoss! No. 4-1 R21.80

MR. BAIRD: Why do you not say that outside l:.he House,'? SOME HON . MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKE I~: Orde:H', please! Mf~. W. CARTER : Min . Sp(~Hker. MR. SPr::AKFR : The han. the rnernber· for· rtAJ'i.l.l. .i.ngc:l-ll~ . MR. W. CARTER: 'iVlr-:--- ~3pE:1aker:: my quE!S t~ion would nonnr~1lly hc:we gone Lo th(~ Mi.nis Lt;!r of FishE!r.ies (Mr. Rideout), but in his <:~bsencc,1 I shall. dlre:~ct: ·1t~ to the De:1puty Premier, and maybe that is more filting because I think the:~ rrd.nistE!r IAJas FinancE! Mj nistE!r when the subject matter which I am about to qUE!Stion hirn on was carr·led out. rJ!r.

Spe:~akE!r 1 .Ln 1986 I think it was, prior to the reorganization of Fisheries Products International, · a plant that cost: the taxpayers of this ProvinCE\ I believE~ rnaybr:~ as much as $5 mi.ll.i.on 1.1.Jas h;;lnde:'d ovor to a Chinese lady from Tor·onto for· I I be J.:i. (:~ 1}(;\ I $ () () I 0 0 0 ' ()In i 1'1 I :1:1 d l: 0 r· d C:H' . AN I·ION. MFMHFR : T r.1 i.t1Jr.\ n <~ s c . Ml<. ~'d.

CAIHI:R: T cdtAJcHH~ s C:~ I ToronL.o. ye:~s, and 110IAI l:iv:ing in We Rl.l knotAJ l:hdl. : th;:ti ·. p 1 C! 11 t h <~ s n OI.AJ leaving a l.oL. of cornruunit.y :itself. gonE! bankrupt, misery "i.n thc,1 I IAIO n d (;! r can the mi. n .is t: e r I Speakel", toll the HOUSE! invest:iqations WE!rH conducl :E'!d this Taiwanese lady and 011 bas:J.s tAJas that pJ.ant sold l:o company? Mr . IAJhat i.n Lo IAJhat hE:! r· L2181 May 201 19'77 Uol XL DR. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the,~ r"'"i.nis l:.E:~r· of I·IE:!all:: h . DR. COLLINS : Mr'. ~:)pc~i'lkC!i" I if I he:! hun.

II'IOIJib(~l" . .i.s 1 o o k i n g f o In d E! t a :i.l s I y o u k n o IAI 1 d o c 11 rn o n 1:. <~ d d o 1.: a i. l. s I o n <:! IAJ o u l. d h a ~J "' to take notice of that and seo what we eRn br i ng forward. But i n gr:HlE!ral b~rrns :i. ·t lAJclS L11e11 known, i.l·. IAJi:-1!> dot.(!i~tn .. i nE~d 1.h<~1 L the'! li'tcly .in ques ti.on had VE!ry large'! f :inanc ial i"O!>OUI"CO:>. ~3ho hi'tcl VE:! I"Y J.ar·qr:' investments in Canada. She wa s b<'! ht nd R IJE~ ry l<'tr'g(! cotTirn:i.t.:mE!nl.. l:o the plant.

So I do not think th('!r'Co\ IAJas Hny doubt of l.hE:\ J.ddy 1 s finr.1nciaJ. capabiJ.:.Lties and IH!r lAlOr l: h. Now hot•.J Lhi'lL 1.1.Jas ciE!l: er·m:i.ned I do not know at l::his point: :Ln tirnr:!, but. i. t can be loob:!d into. But I think therE! tAJas no doubt about :.i.t thi'lt she was a substantial financial for'CE! . And I think WE! haVE:1 l~o rE~membE!r t:.hat t:hE!I"E! tAJC:.H'e VE!ry fE!WI I think shE! rnay bE! Ll'lE! only bi.ddc,~r· inl~C::!r·c,~stE:!d ::i.n that: particular plant . MR. W. CARTER : (1 suppl.omC:!I'l'i.:r:qJ"Ij 1 Min. Sp"!ake::!r' . MR.

SPEAI<ER: (.) r;upplornenl:r:li''ljl the~ member For Twil1ingal.e. MR. W. CARTER: hon . l::ho iiiir:-:--.. s p e c:·1 i((:;r:·:--T ''' rn r· a L: h o i" s u I" p J" i s e d tl·tat thE! gE!ntlE:\rnan I tAJho tAJas LhE!n l ho M-i. n·i. s l.:e r· of Fin;'' n c C:'! I '~'"' s not aJAJarE! of· the dE!tai.ls of th<:d~ tr·ansacl:'.'i .on, bC:'!Ci'\usc~ .it i ~~ qu.il .: E:\ ct tr-ansac t.ion. Mr . Spt:!dln:H' I my su pplementary qUE!Stj.on to thE! ITd.n'.'istE!r: HE! talks about the substantial financial backing of that lady. No . 11.1

Well, is he awaJ"€:~ that l:ht~ day c'lfl:.e:~r l:hHt $6 ud.Jl. Lon pl.c'Hll:. l.lli"'G so1d to her, fat" 1 br:~lieVE! $60,000, Lhclt sl·w · ·irrmwci . Li'llt~ly flll-1". a rnoJ"t:gagE! on it For $700,000, Hnd, Sl . tbsc~qUE!I'll: l:o l.:hr.·ll:, she co rrt I" a c "l:co! d so rn Co! v e r· y subs tan ·U. a 1 clc,~bLs t~ri.l:h Swiss bi'lnks <.-1nd ot:h(:!r' c l"t:HH tors? DR. COLLINS : No . MR. MATTHEWS: Is that a Sp(~akE!r? MR. W. CARTER: Mr. The minister says it is not true . Al1 r·ight:, Mt".

Sp€:~ai<E!r, my quE! st. -i on t. o l: h Co! m-i n i. s Lor· , t: h (~ n : What steps does hE! and his g o v c,~ I" n m o n l.: :i. n i: c n d . t. o L r.·l k C:! L o b r· i. n g that p1ant bacl< on stl"t;!arn as qu-i.ckl. y ns pos~;oiblc~? ~~Jhr:ll: si.:eps cli"(O! notAl in thr:~ mill to gr:~t the p J. ,,, n i:. b i:l c k o p or· r.1 L i. n g F o i" l: h r~ people for whom it was intended in the fJrs L p1Acc~? _MR._ SPEAKER: The hon. the Minis'LE!r of Health . DR. COLLINS : MR. Sp(o!akl:H', no orw is gd.insay'.i.ng thE! fact that this is a difficult s:il:uation.

Becauso it is a difficult situation, thE!rE! has been a committee of Cabinet set up which will g6 into the thing in great detail. Perhaps I could ask the Minister of Finance (Mr. ~-J.i n d s o r ) , who i s o n l:: h a l:: cornmittE!r:~, as is thE! MinistE!r of FishE!r'i(:!S and oth<'!r' tni.niste:~r·s, i.f he lAd s h (:~ s to g i .v E! any f u r thE! r· d(;!ta.ils on ho1~1 Lh(;! corrirni. Lt.(;!(;! :J.s t~Jorktng. ~.R..: __ _j>J~~~.[>-~1 () !i : Mr. Sper:<~!<er·, T. wtth a couple 1.11 i. J. J. L t· 1J i . o cl c:! n l of l:.h~~ qu~:! . S ttons L2182 MAy ?.0, 1977 lJol XI.. that came forward .

Mf{. ~1PEAI<ER: 'l"he hon. the M:i. n i.st.or of F:i.nanct:~. MR. WINDSOI~: Fi.rst of all, that pJ.~oJ.nt tJJas soJ.d by F.i.shf:!r'y Pl"oducl:s as r.1 r·c;!suJ.t:. oF a proposal caJ.J.. I unde•rstand :it was the only proposal call that carnE! in at the U.tnE!. ThE! lady had full fini'.Hlcial ability t.o pur c·h a s E! t hE! p 1 a n t , to o p E! rate !: he plant, and r·r:~questt::~d no govc;!r'nlrJ(Hlt assistance whatsOE!VE!r. GoVE!rnrnent has no li<'lbil:ity on t:hdt opE!rat.:ion whatsOE!Ver, haVE! no guaranb~!E!S of loans or any other Financial backing of that opE!I"at:ion. So 'it is purely H private venture.

What took place as a result of any mortgi'lgc~s !":hal". were:! cnt.E:!r't"~d 'int:.o subsequent to the sale is ~ot somt:!th .. ing ·i:hl:-11·. gotJor·nrnc:•nl:. 1~.1as p r i v y t o . N td t h E! r IJ.JE:! r E! we p r· i 1; y to 'l:h(} f~c'lC'i: l:hi'll. SCllll(~ l::"i.IIIC:! ago she, 'in fact, took out quitE! a l r.·ll" go -1 o ;:~ n f i" o rn n ~)IAJ"i. s s I:H'll'l !< IAI .i L h some p€:1rsonal guat"antE!E!S Fr··orn hoi" sol. F . T h i s i. s t h c s "i. L u cit t. ion I.•.IE! are dealing with now. Agatn, it is not sorneth:ing that 901JE!rl'llrJOI'li·: IAJi'IS pr• -i, t.Jy t:o.

W~;! had no financial input into the cotnpany. lllle hHd ·no rnon:it.or··ing of the cornpany, as we do with aJ.l other fish plants in which we have any_ financial :i.ntE!rE!St. As my hon. coJ.l(~cl9Ut~ points out:, IAJE! hcwe been I11E!Ed:ing over the past. nurnbE•r of days IAJ.i.t:h Mr·s. Ting i:~nd hl:~r-· finand.a1 <~nd J.E•ge:ll cldt.risot~s. l'I!E! hi'lv~:! tn(;!t: I.•.J.i.l:h l.:he counc:i.ls of St:. Lawrence and Lawn on several. occr.udons.

Cov~H'I'lln(Hll: has E! s t a b 1 i s h e d a C o rnrn :i t t E• E! of M"i.nts ·l·.oi"S, cutnpl":i.sc:!d oF ITtyseJ.f, rny collE!<'~gUE!, the M:in::i.sl:.co!l" of Car'E!C:!I" D f'! t; n J. o prnC! n 1.: '-'' n d Ad 1; c:·l n c ('! d ~3 1:. u cl J (:~ s (Mt". Matthco!IJ.JS), thE! Minist:(;!r of F .i. ~; h e i" ·i. C:! !; , L h c f"l -L n :i. s l:. o I" of Dt::~V€:~loprnE!I'lt (Mr'. Bar-r'E•l.:t), and out" 1\Jo. l!. l ru 182

colleague from laPoi}E! (Mr. Mitchell). who r·r:1pr·esents i'l district that has Ting's companies . j n'tE!rest in M1ns . We have also, of course. es ·l:ablJshed a cornmittE!E! · of officials to deal with the s J t u at :ion • d s lAie 11 . on a top p r' i or· i. t. y bas is . 11\1 ~'!

LY-i. 11. be do i. n g anything poss:ible to d~1aJ. 1.~r.i.th the c om p r.u1 y • IAri. l h iH1 y s u b s o q 1 H! n I. receivers. should any be a p p o ·.i n 1: o d • o r' 1~. 1 h r:-1 1: o IJ e i" I·. h o c r'\ s o rna y b E:1 • ·to en s u I" c;! that all the pl. an 1: :; 'i. l'liJ o l. 11 o d -; n I·. h "i. ~> p ;~\ i" ·1: ·i c 11 J. i'\ r· transaction are operative if at i:\ 1 J. p 0 s s J b 1. o iH1 d j U s L i'l s q U .i. c k l. y as possibJ.c.;!. MR. ~'II. CARTEl~ : Ml" . Sp0.1a I< r:1r. MR . SPEAI<EI~ : A final suppJ.ementary. the hon . the member for Twillingate . MR. W. CARTER: Mr.

Speaker. the rninistE!r can try a s hard a s hE! 1.va n t s b u t: h c"1 c an not wash his hands of some responslbil ·Lty to the people of St. LawrE!rlCE!. That p1clnt IAJas bull t: ther·e at a cost: of $6 rn:i.1lion. Ml~. SPFAI<FR : · or·dc;!r. plo<'tSE!! MR. ltJ. C()Rf'FR: Mr.

Speaker. my question to J'lli . nisb~r. ·in l. ::i.ghl: or I.1JI'1di: hr.lpp~~nc;!d. which puts th~' 1'1<'\ S :i n-Lo q 1 1 c;! s L i. on , M r· . ::; p '~ r.~ I< o i" , the thor·oughness oF l:he i.nVE!St:igation whi. ch l~clr'\S C<'li"i"J.ed out :i nto l "'.h ""i. ~; l a d 1J by t h e g o v ~H' n mE:! n t , "'' h i c h h a d a rosponsibiJ.tly lo MR . SPEAI<Ef~ : Ol"dc"H' , pleasE!! L2183 May ~0, 1977 Uol XL table in the House at the earliest possible date all relevant documents pertaining to the investigation before thal plant was sold to that lady, and afi:E!r i. l: I.IJf.'l. s s 0 l cl? MR.

SPEAI<ER : ThE! hon. the Minist:E!r of FinanCE! . MR. ltJINDSOf~: J IAJ"i.ll . l . !ndc~i"L<:·\kc:! Lo look "'i.nl.·.o t.hat, Mr·. SpE!akE!I" . ThE! f"c:u:t J"OITli.-1 i 1'1~> l.hi'\l: di: l:.he l·:i.lrlC:! l:hdl :. th "i S plant u.ms s old by FPI th:l. s 1.11a s th o o n l y g t:'lln·r:! i n 1'. o l.1Jn . I L t•.k\ (; f u ll y ~upported by the pE!ople of St . I. i".'li;Jj" (:'1'1 C (! , by 1.: h B I.•.Ji:o\ y IAih 0111 S h ('! I'Tif ' C with. MR. W. CARTER : No, no! MR. MATTHEWS : Except the Mayor . MR.

WINDSOR: Except the Mayor . 1 rE~cogn.i.zr:~ Lhe hon. (::JE!I'Jtlernc:\1'1 is speaking only for the mayor at the moment, not: for the p<,1op1E! of Si~. LawrE!nCE! Ol" anybody E!lSE!, or for the c,1rnpl.oyc,1t::1S of 'i::h~: ! pJ.ant, or •for the fishermen who sell fish -Lo the pl.i'\nl. The,, cotnpany d·icl havE:! the fuJ.l support of thE! pE!oplE! of St: . l.dt•.JI"ence. ·rhey d "i cl pr·ov :i.cl(,1 em p 1 o y mE! n t f o r· t1.~1 o y E' a r s , a L no expense l.:o th i s government:, 1.vi thout rNjiH1 sting any F:l nan cia 1 fo\ S S i S I. i'\l'l C C f I" 0 I'TI \':. h "i. :;; g f)

l) l:! I"' I"Hrl E! 1'1 1: . . Now we are dealing with a s 'i. I· 1.1 <:1 L J. u n 1.11 h r~ I" o 1. h C! p ]. d n "1-. ·i s i n serious Financial d :iffj cuJ.U.es and IAJO IAJi ]. "'( cl 0 (!I)('! r'

I) L'. h '"i. 1"1 g p 0 S ~; 'l b l e l:. 0 try (:O E!lBVatE! thE! s:itucd.:ion fOI" l.:he peopl.o of ::;l:.. LRt•Jr'o nc(;!, l::hE! fishermen and the plant workers. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thE! member for MenihE!I< . No. 4·1 R2183

MR. FENWICK: Mr. Speaker, my question is for 1 .. h (~ rH n i. s L ('! I" 0 r I' I I i" i:l l. I A g i" "i. c ul L I II' . (~ <:.nd Nol"thc"!l"n J:h:welopment, and ha~; Lo do 1.~1i Lh comrnnn ·l·!; he 111r.1cle i'lfi".or· thP Hous~~ sat yE!Stel"day . that IAHH'I':1 repor·Lc :!d on l'.ol.(~lJ i.tdon. I IAJanl lo ct s k IA.Ir..l s he a c cur a t e 1 y quoted?

The g'i.sl : of h :i ~ ; cornrnont:s S<:!OIIH :!d l:o bo that tho r11ar·ket::i.ng pr·acticEHl of the Sprung Groenhouso operation, or Newfoundland Enviroponics, are dE!signed l:o dest:r·oy t:hc,1 gr·E~enhousc,1 industr·y in Nova Scotia that pr·oduCE!S cucumbE!rS, and i':hE!n t:a!<e ·their· market. Wou1d thE! rninistE!r confirm that that is the actual policy of this government? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. th1':1 Agricul t.:ur·al DeveJ.opmE!I'd:. I'-1R. POWF r~ : Minister of Rural, and Northern Mt". Spt=:1akt:H', i L is an interc,1stJ.ng q u C:' ~; l i. on .

ThE! r· t~ IAJi~ s g r o a 1: r; o n c e r n in t:his House yc;!St(:1J"dcty fi"OITI thE! L.c,1<.Hior or i: he l.i.borAl. Pi'li"l:y Lr·y ·i.ng to pr·ot:(:1ct ·t.he 91"e:1enhouse grower · s cHid l:hr~ gr·r~(~nhouse "i.ndllsi:J"Y in Nova Scotic~. No'"' IAH~ gE:1 t it from the NOPs rlS well . AN HON. MF.MI'lf~R : Heal", I'IE!al"! MR. POWER: Mr·-.- SpeakE!r, it is not thE! governmenl 1 s intention, or Newfoundland Enviroponic 1 s int:entlon to deliberateJ.y put anybody out of business. It is not our deliberate intention to durnp so that we can up prices aftE!rlAJcll"ds.

It :is otH' d~:!l 'i. ber·al::t,1 intention to be very, very <.'.ggr'E!Ssive '.in the 1narkc-:1l:.placc,1 and to make surE! l:hat IAJ~~ ar·e thE!r'E! in a pr'i.CE! COITIPc'! t:·. r.1 ·t.-i. ve s'.l. tu;:~t. 'ion . We are not going to be cornpetative "i. n a quali . L:y si. l: u;;1l:·.:i.on becc.ut s r ~ nobody can cornpt:1b~ lAJ:it:h us on 1... 2 l B ~~ . May 20, 19'77 lJol X I. qui'll.·i . l·.y. The1·'e :i.s nobody t•.Jho produces a cucumher like we do, I h;:~i· i.s ht:!l"b "i c·i.cle ;:~nd pes l.:J .

CJ.ciEl frE!e, packE!d f1···r:~sh c~nd gc;!l:S Lo thE! rn r1 r· k e t ;:·1 ~; q 1 1 :i. c k l y d s o 1 1 r' s c r.1 n . 0 n quality we have no concerns at all bPCAI.ISt) 1~10 drc~ go .. inq t o be l::he best by far in the marketplace . l!llhon -i. l: co1no ~ ; l:o pr·i ce, IAJC'! ar·e going t o compete in any rnRrl<el::pl.aco t•.Je choose;! l:o be'! :in and we are going to do very, very ~~H~ l J. :i. n l:: hosE:~ mar· k c;! l:: p 1. f..\ c e s . SOME HON. MEMBERS : HE!ci.r, hear! MR. FENWICK : A supplementary, Mr. Sp e aker . MR. FENWICK : A suppJ.(~rrJ(~I'llr.\r ' y, l::he hon. member for Menihek.

Ml~. n:NWIC I<: 'r"Fie·-rn J. r1is-·t~E! r c 1 E! a I" 1 y 5 e e rn e d t 0 b 0 i.nd .. i.cal.:ing i·hr:-11·. l:hc~ "inl:.enl:: i on IAJas to knock thE!rn out of cucumbEH' fH' o d 1.1 r: L .i. o n . M y s 1.1 p p 1. c~ HIE! n t a r· y quesU .on to the rrdnistE!r is Uds: T h E.1 r o '" i" 0. "'p pi" o )( -j rna 1: e J y 1. 00 ij1 c r· f:! s of cucurnbE!r producLion :i.n l.c;:urringl".on, Onte~ini . o, <:·\ lnassi.V('' industry even by our stand~rds. ~J:L......_§J' E A I< E fi : 01"dcr', pl(,1f..\S(:!! ThE! han. rTIE!rnber ts not asldng a questi.on. MR.

F_ENL'IliCJ<: My questjon to the mini st er is this: After you have destroyed the Nova Scotia industry and t.:1ny l·:o .push your· pr·'i.ce back up, arE! you not UHHl going to haVE! to go and destroy the other industr:ies that ITii'lY cornpEd:E! :in LhE! Noua Scot t ~ rne~rketplace and ke e p on d 0 i l'l 9 i t a d 11 a Ll S E! a ITI i 1'1 0 In d E! r' t 0 L r y ;;1n d C"! s t c\ b l :i s h ,._ 1Tii'1 r· k e l.? No. lJ. 'I 1~21Bl~

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Agd cultural Dc,~VE!lopment. MR. POWER: Minister and of RuraJ., Nor·thE!rn "Mr-:- S p E!'iiik e r , :L t r E! <:1.1.1 y , r e a l 1 y i s funny . L'lle have gonE! ·fr·orn protecting the Nova Scotia greenhouse industry lo now protecting an industry in Ontar·.i .o. As I scd.d YC'!SU~r·dRy :i.n n1y p r· E! s s state ITIE:'rl t , i l: is r E:~ ally , r~~r.1l.l.y sad, r.tnd T.

Fe~ol. a ti"E:!rrtendous an1ount of pity for the gl"eonhol.l f;e gi"OIAJ('!l''S ·in 1\lotH\ ~)cot:ir.l, Ol" the~ pel"sons tJJho ar·e pr·oduc:i.ng c 1.1 c 1.1 rn be~ r s ·i. n 0 n l:."' t" ·i. o , b r.~ r: r:·u 1 s n ~~H'~ :in NetAtfoundland CcHl do sorrtE! Lhing bc,~LLrH' ;:·\ncl rno1"e~ n f f"-i.c"i.r~ni . 'Ly 1-.h<Hl l he,~y Ci'Hl. Now, i-l11 I can se:1.y for· ~ho groenhouse growers -i. n Nova ScoticJ., Ol" in Ot·1tal"'io, is thE!Y ar'E! -L n <.·\ lflc\r·!<~~tpldco and -i.F Lht:!y cannot cornpe t.E! then UlE!Y had b c~ t: t c;! r· g to1 l o 11 L o f t h (~ g r· (~ o n h o u s o industry. SOME HON.

MEMBERS: H e a r· , h c,~ a r ! MR. FENWICK: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A final s upplementary . MR. FENWICK: My final questJon is this: SincE:~ ~-he N 0 v i'l s c () U . C.·\ l (;! g "i. s l. r:\ L Ill"' e~ -L !) n OIAJ dE:!~H·lt : i.ng l:he possib :il:ity of p1.1l:. l:."Lng ·in pl.r:·\cc"' 11'1<:-ll"kr.)l:i.ng contl"ols on that kind of pt"oduce,, beci:-tl.l~>e of l . hr~ pr't:!dr:·\l:Oi"'J pl" "i. c"i.ng, what w:i.11 N(~tAJfoundlc.tnd F. n tJ :i i" o p on ··i c ~; cl o i. F a Hti.·\ I"!< e~ t "L n g board i s e st~bli s hed in Nova ~:; c () L "i. i'l I J I,,, l. r i" (! (!

L n s () ll I -L () l: i'l l 'I y c.t n y o F l:. 1·1 E:' p I" o d u c ~:! f r· o rn t h e 1\]E:!I~JI~ 0 1.1 nd "l e\ nd r:: ntJ "i.l" OflO n"i. C s opE! rr.d:i on s? L2185 May 20, 19'77 Vol. XI... ThE! hon. the Agr·Jcul t:ur·al DeVE!loprrtE!n 't . MR. POWER: Minister and of RuraJ., Nor·thE!rn Mr. Speaker, F-L rs t of all, obviousJ.y the member for Menihe!< should knot•J, -LF hE! clo~: !S not. knotAJ, that :lt i.s against·. ti'lE! C o n s t. J t. u l:. i o n , a g ''' 'i. n s l 1:: h ~ ~ 1 i'l lAJ s o ·f this country for one pl"OV:l.nc E! to block l:r'r'lcle lAJ"i.1-.h anoth~:·r· provinCE!.

It cannot bE! donE! und e r Lht:! lllc:-\l"kt:!L'i. ng bor:tr·d sysl ·. e1ns thdt are in place in rnany parts of thi s c o 1 1 n i .. i" y , i n c l 1 1 cl i n g i". h "i. s P l" o v "i. n c e , for protection of certain type s of pr·ociiiCI!; . You lfli·\Y bo able~ t:o r· egulatE! pr·i CE:~, but you cannot pi"OUt:!nl-. s orn ~; !body olsc! fr·o rn corn--inq in in competition. NolAJ, thE! r'E!alJty is, Ml".

SpNJ.I<E!r, l:.h;:1 l:. no 1r1r:1 l.: t·.e1" t.•.Jhi.-\ 1.: happens :in Nova Scotia, Nova Scotia cJ. t::1 z~:!ns are goJng lo wan t a very fre s h pr·oduct, they arE! going to LIJant :.i.t·. a L a v E! r· y com p E:' t ·i. l.: :l. v E:~ p r· J. c ~ : ! , a n d we in Newfoundland are going to be ablE! l:o suppJ.y that mr.~rk.(;!t: a Jot bette!r than anybody E!lSE!. W101 ai"E! go i.ng to bE! the;!r·e and t:hE! lat~Js of the marketplaCE!, will wol"k so that our product is sold and soJ.d first. MR. EFFORD : rJ!r·. Sp~~aker· . MR. SPEAKER : The hon . I:: he:! lrternbc:!i" for· Pot ' 'I':_ dE!

Grave ·. !':1B...:. f F~ _fQ_~.Q. : M ,.. .

f) p e "' k n i" , rn 'J q 1.1 est i. on 'i. s dJ.I"E! C tE:~ d l:o th E! M'i .nis b~l" of Labou1 " (~~i". flJ.i:-\nChi'\i"d) . rht:! ri:·1C 'i'. :.iS l'.hc;\L for· fOUl" IAIE!eks 1'101..\J IJJE! hi:!VE• b E!~; !n IAii.·\ i. t i. n 9 i n 1'. h .i. ~; II 0 II s (;! r 0 r· i"l n atiSlAJ(:!r' fl"orn the M'in'isl'.:t;!l" oF Lr.1bour c: n 1-: h C.:! r· E:! n i·. ;:., l. o f ~~ o r· k ~:! r· s ' Compl':~nsa t 'ion Tr·'ibunal of'ftcE! spacE:! ·i. n the Cen t r·r:·\J. l i"US l. Bu :i.J.dinq . Wi.11 thE! rni.nisl ·:E!r notAl tE<l1 us lAihy No. 'l-1 R2185

thE! fifth accr:•p +· nd squ<:~J"O For foot thei"O highest tender was l"hi'tl-. ~;p;:~cc~ i~L $l4.8~'i when there were 1:: E~ nd o I" s foot? <:·1 ·L $ll.OO t't squ<'tl"O . Mr~. 5PFAJ<FR : T h "' h on . I. h c,~ M:j n :is t E:! I" of L. ~l b o u I" . !~1_!3_, _ _1U.:.B N c lifi.F_I2. : 1'-1 I" . ~:; p E:! ~~ k o l" , I all" <'! i~l d y ;:~ n s t•.J tc! r· o cJ that quE!Stion about ttAJO or thJ"~~e IAJEHc!I<S "190 ·for· Lho hon. l·hn lllelnbor· for· Fogo (Mr. Tulk).

I said that there were a number of considerations that we had to look at, primarily parking space for pE!Opl~~~ injurE!d t..uorkE!rs corning there, probably handicapped IAJorkE!rs, but notJ..uithstanding that, Mr. Spc,~aker, I hc.·1vc,~ stat.c,~d l::hal:. Lhe matter· is bedng exarni1·wd, inv~~s l:igatli:~d. fi"Hc! pE:H'son L•.Jho i.s· doing the investigation, Mr. Speaker, i s presently on annual lE~ave. I am not: atAJclre, Ml". Speakc,~r, t.hi'11.: t.hE'!I"e i.s i:-lny particular time limit on the pr·odl.lct:"i.on of thr,1 "i. nFor·rnation, bul: it is being taken care of and will be:• prc,~SE:!nLocl. MR.

E"FrORD : () suppl.c~mc~ntdl"y, Ml" . Spe<'tknr· . M R . ~-) P 1:: () i< r:: R : A supplernE:!ntai"Y, thE! hon . rn<,!ITJbor fol" POl" 1: dn Gr·at.Je. MR. F.FFOIW: ------ I suggest to the minisbH' on<:! of h::i. s as sis t·. ant: s rnA y thC:1 whtle be;! on annual leave, according to this s t.i':ltE!ITI(-;111 t: hei"E:! t:ht:!l"c,~ ar·e a number· of pE!oplE! Jn his offJcE! t..uho could d 0 :i. t . I aS !< l: ('l(;! rnJ rl'i. S 1:·. E! I" V C:H' y clearly, wouJd the delay in the rnJn i.s l:.er· br· ·i.ng·i.ng t.h:i . s infor·rnr.1t::ion fortAJal"d to t:hE!

HousE! helVe anything to do w:it:h t:he fact that T errct Nova En ·l:E!Y'f.JI"iSE!S, IAJI·J:icl·l OIAJnS thE! buJldJng, "i.~; pal"t · OIAJnt:!d by a lalAJ partner of the Cha:i.rrnan of the 1 .. 21 B6 MHy 20, 19'77 \)o 1 X 1.. Tribunal, and anoti·H,~r 25 per CE!nt s h H r c,1 h o 1 d E! r' i. s i·: l·w D r~ p u l:: y P r· to! 1r1 i. E! r of this Province? MR. SPEAKF~.: ThE~ hon. the Mtn:is t·:E!r of Lr-.lbCll.ll" . ~.!L. __ ~L..A~~lL.ttR..Q : r1lr·. ~)poakel" I i:.hf:ll·. h<:,\S no t-.·.h-Lng l:.o do with any d<;!lay in bl"·ing:i.n~J thE:! "i. nFoi"Jflf.~L: "i. on Fori~Ji'll"cl. MR. EFFORD: A supplementary, Mr.

Spei':lker . MR. SPEAKER : A final supplementary. MR. EFFORD: My finaJ. supplernNJt<:lr'y tAJ:i.11 go to t.hc;! Pr·c~rni. E!r' oF t:h:.i. s f>I"OlJ:i.ncE!. I rE•fer hirn to ArU clE! No. 4-, ()r•'l.:i . cJ.E:~ No. 7 i:'tl'ld Al"t.tcJ.r,~ No. 8 ·.in the ConfJ.ict of Interest C u 'i cl C! 1 J n E~ s , a n d T i'l ~' k l.: hE! P r·· H m·i e r· of this Province, pertaining to Lhoso gu·i . d<;!l · i . nE!~; r.1nd l'.:hE! Fact l·.hai:: his own Deputy Premier - MR. SPEAKER : Ol"dr~l", pl.c,1asc,1! MR.

EFFORD: 1. s <:1 2 r; p r-:! r c C:! n i · s h i'll" <:! h o 1 d C:! r and has a clE:~ar· confl-ict of i.ni::E!Y'E:!St, IAJOI.I.lcl i·.hr-:! Pl"ern·iol" ·in f<'lc ·i: hdV<'! this matter investigated i':lnd "i.rnm o d -L ,,, t·. C:! ly ;:·1 s k F o I" 1.: h o 1 n :i. n -L s t.: u r· 1 s resignatton? · soME HON. MEMBERS: ----·----·-- MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Hw "PrE!rrd E!r . P. .. R...ff11.1.!LJ:1.[!~ F OJiQ. : Mr. Speakc'!r, Ji":. ·i.s the;! ftr·st: I haVE:1 hE!ard of it. The anstAJE!Y' to L h 1::~ q 1.1 o s t-:.

"i. on , ·r or b r· E:! v 'it y 1 s ~' ;:~ k ('! , bE!Cr.lUSE! of thE! r·u1Jng the SpE!ctkE!I~ llli'tclE:! yest:Hr'd;:~y I"Ol.dLE:!d l·o l::hE! m:in:istel", J.s, YE!S, I tAri11 hclV~:· it: No. I.J-1. r<2186

~~ll_L_I5_: Mr. 5p~~ ai<~H' . rJI I~ . 5 P E A I< E R : The hon . the member for Fogo . l'-1f~. TULI<: ,. , ____ _ I hclV e P r <~n· n i ~H' . that thE!rE! that a author·it:i.r:1s a question for the T I'H'! Pre m:i <:• r .,_ s a1JJa r ~=! are news reports saying l e l t l:1 r· f r· om F t' e n c h to the Canadian Embassy wa!; dPl"i.vE!I"Hd in 1\lotJenJbel", 1.986, a y·ear· and a haJ.f ago, s i.·l y "i. n g t·.: h r.1. 1:. f ~ r· c~ n c h ;:~ u l:. h o r' -:i. l: .. i. o s 1.~1ou ld rc,1qui I"E:1 t~he lice n s :i ng of Can~diAn uesso l s and French V ~;! S 5 E~ J S :.i. 1'1 t h (::1 at' E! a IAI h E! I"(.;! lA IE! h a V ~ : ! I' C:! c

t) n I : ly h '" c:l 1: h C! d i s p 1.1 1·. r:! . T h d I· IAii-lS d~ = !] :iv«.:H'("!d l:o ·thE! CcHli'l<han F::~nb <:l s s y . [ ;:·l ~; k t h t:!

I) r· e rn-i «:! I" : t,,J,;, s h c~ o I" t: h r:! gov<cH' nrn~Hlt C'liAial" ~ ~ of this rnc;!rnO and l.•.lh E! l'l d .i d hE! b f~ C ())f)(;! CliAii'll" (~ 0 f ·i_ 1:? MR. SPEAKER: The han. the Premier . . .EB.~~E R P EC I< FQ_RD : Mr. Speaker, at 6 : 07 IJE!StE!rday evHning, :in my offiCE!, I ~H·H~ a call from the MinistE!r of Fisheries (Mr. Rideout) who had then just become aware of it. However, there is more to the letter than the hon. member for Fogo just ment: i oned in hi s question.

It rne::~ntionE!d that thE!Y were go i ng to i nlroduce I"E'!gulations, and thE!n i-1:. 1Ait::1nt on, ~:!"i.l.: hC'!I" 'in l:h<:ll'. lC:!1·:1:C:!Y' 01" d subsc;!quc;!n-l: one c'l fc:!w UJE:!eks Jatel", Lo def c ~l" -·irnplolnental: ... ion. 11ul: s l :i.1 J 1.u e IAI ~~ r· P not :i n f o I" rn E~ d . ~) o I l.:h "ink Uw both)lfl l·ine on it-. is t l·1i':l. -t IAIO IAJE~I"E:' not j nf o l"rned, but, l:hen, IAJhnn you !;(;!c~ I hr:! J "r~ s 1: of i:h e :infonnat:ion, LhE!IJ, :in one:', sa:id, 1 hle c:'ti"C gnil'l9 Lo "ilnpl.ernen1 . 1 J: ju s t have to put in a l..2Ul7 r.11 a y :w , 1. 9 7 7 Vol.

XI. q u a 1 :if i c at i o n ; I d o not k n ou1 i f i t IAkl S c:t l. l. ·i. rl 0 1'1<:1 l (~ 1:: l:.c:! r• 0 r• i f t: h E! r E! were tu.1o and then in Ed th(:H' a ~;ubs~::1quErnL piH'r.lgr·aph i.n that letter or a subsequent l e tter, t·:ht11J dE!for·r·od t.h(:! ilnplE:!rn(.:!nta t.ion . I 1.1.1as rnadE! aumrE! of :it: at 6:07 Y('!Sl:or·day E:!uenj.ng 'in rny office by the Minister of Fisheries. f:l~g.J:.§ : That changes the impression given . PREMIER PECI<FORD: EXHC l:ly! MR. TUI..K: A supplementary, Mr . Speaker . ~1R.

SPFAKEI~: n s tlppl e1nr~n · t-.,u·· y, t.: h f:~ hon . t: h(! m «::Hn bE! r for Fog o . r1_~_:. __ 1QJ~K : M r· . ~:) p c "' k n 1" , 1.1.1 h i·l 1·. 1. h c P I" H rn i (;! I" h a s bC'l s ically ~•aid i s thr.'lt Lho CotJ~=!r'nnlenl: of Cc:~ni"cla l•.ldS d1Aidi"E:1 o·f this, and in spite of the fact .. that the French deferred it, he should have bE! en au1ar·e of i i:., j n this deplorable s iLuation . MR. PECK FORD·: YE:1S. MR. SPEAKER: Order, p1eaSE!! MR. TULK: I l.~li'\nl .: l:o ask 1·:1-H:! Pr c;wd e r· IAI:i. l J. hE! now table alJ of that informat i on?

Wheth e r t t was a subseqUE!nl: lette1", IAihethel " iL t~Ja !; ·; n l. h r~ s "" 1 H~ ·1. r~ 1-. 1·. C:! r , lAI o u l. d h r:=! t:. i'l b l1::! that infonnCl'tion in t hE! H6usc,~ , and 1~1 o 1 1 I. d h (.) , i n d e e d , ·:i.ITI p I" ~~ s :; 1 1 p o n L h E:! Canadian GoVE!r'nrnenl. t-.·.hal·: anyth:i.ng ·L h .:·1 l. h i'l ~; i. o d o 1~1 i I: h L h 'i. s j _ s s u l"! should be relayed to the CotJf:!i"l'llllf)nl. of IJI"i s f'r' Cll.ri.ncc!? ~tL_. _~> ~!-l'l.J.$_f,_i~ : The han . the Premier : 1\Jo. 4-1. R2187

PREMIER PECKFORD: We,~ 1.1., t:hat l::h(! thcln r"lr. Spr:~akHr, in i'HlSIAllH' l-o question I haue to say that c'li'1SI.~J()Y'S hdU(~ nOIAJ b1::!0I'l shor·t:r:~r t:h(:1 qut:1sttons. ~30MF IWN. MFMI:l F R!3: H E~ cH' I h EH:11n ! PREMIFR PFCKFORO: Thr:1nk you tJer·y JTJI.Jch. T i'\PflJ"('!C"i.<.~Le y 0 lH' C Ol'llp 1 :i JTH~ ITt. S 0 n t. hE! IAJcl y I am i:r· y ·i. n g 1·. o c on cl u c l·. my s o l r i. n L h r~ Housc,1. But t just make the point t.h<.·\ L T. a111 not sur·c:!, T nour:H' s;ri.d T.

IAJO U 1 d I.AJas sut"C'!, lAJhether, jn fact, that :i s fa i. r· o r n o l , F.l n <:l n s I.~J<;! r· bc,1.ing I arn sl·1o1nh!r' than the question. I a rn no t: sur· E! , .in an s WE! r· 1'.: o the q u e s t to n , IAJ hE! t hE! r· wE! h a u e t he :infor'rndt:.:ion, h<.·lur::! Lhe loll:.r:~rs. Wr:~ aJnE! now lAJar'E! ·lhat therE! IAJE!rE! lE:d~bH's, and th;:~t: IAJC:! I·,,~H~ not br:H~n :informt:1d about t:hem at the time. Now I am gett·Lng too long, Mr.

Speaker·, btJt I must say that is t:. h c,~ r· (;! a s o n t•J h y , b •:1. c k o tJ o r· 1. h c~ 1. ;:~ s t YE!aJ" OJ" yc,'E.tln and a half, I · kept sayJng, .. in thJs House and 011Ls·idr~ of this House, bE!Causc,~ t.I'J(:lJ"'e JAJere o t h E:! r· Jn C:! C! l: .. i. n 9 ~; 9 o i. n 9 o n i n P ,,, 1" ·i s , and so on, ouer this whole nc;!go 'l.: .. i.a+:ing procc~ss, l:hal . '•Jr• d"i. d II 0 t. . f (cl (~] c 0 rnf 0 In t· Cl b 1 E~ I.IJ .i L h l: he lA) h () 1 (~ fl i" () C (! ~; S b (~ C C\1.1 ~; (:!

IAJf) i<I'IOIAI IAJhfd .. hf:ll'' lJ.J(;~ had aJ.J. i. n F o r'HJi:<l'l:: i on ;:·l L i:\ g ·i u C:! n which t.:o bi:lS!':' any adv:i.cc,l. !J.JaS only i:·,d 1.J.iCC-:1 'i.n SOJTIC:! subcommittee before they t o n E'! g o 1:. :'i. a t. (,1 . 0 n c e a g a J. n to say· I am right. MR. TULJ< : Will you table it? PREMIER PECKFORD: y E! 5 I s lH' (;! • 1...21HH May 20, 1977 did of not the;! i:·i lilt:! on And it I.AJent on T hi'lU!':l \Jol X 1 .. MR. FUREY : Mr. ~)pr:~aker . MR. SPEAKER: T~-;-e-hoJ;-~--the mr:~rnbf~r· for St.

BalnbE! . r~ R . r- u r~ r:: Y : Ml". ~?pE!ai<E!I", I hau(:~ a quest:ion foJ" lho M.i.ni~;l-.r:~i" or i'Ol"esl'. r~(!~>Ol.ll"CHS. I ask(:~d thE! m:in:istr::!r' on Wr:~clnE~~;day ~~~ h o 1·: h o l'' o r· no 1: h o l'lr:'l cl r· r~ c cd. u EHJ ct recommendation from the Pestic:ide Ad t.J .i't> or· y ll o r.u·· cl l. o ·L ncr· e 1:'1 ~,~ E! spraying of Bt by 50 per cent this yr.:li'lr'. Tho mi.n'i.stoJ" s<.,, .. i.d, hE:! d·.:i.d not haue it on Wednesday.

I would I:ik(:1 1-.o dsk the m"i.n:ist·.E:!r' notJ..J does he haue the recommendation from tho Peslicido Advisory Board to increaSE! spraying of Bt by 50 pE~r· c E:! n 1:. ? A n d .. i. f h e cl o E! s h a u E! t. h a t recommendation has he acted on it? Mr~. SPEAKER: ThE~ hon. l·.h{;! M·i.n·ist:E~r· of FOJ"C:!S l:: ResourCE!S. MR. R. AYLWARD: M r· . S p tel d k (,1 r· , '[ h ;:~ tJ f:! n o t b 1::! f~ n '.i n my office yet this rnornJng. WE! had r:~ n r~ .:~ r l. y rno r· n 'i. n g 1.: h i ~; rno r· n .in g an cl I haue not bE!E!I'l thC::1rr:1.

But as of l '" !; l:. n J. g h 1·. d i: .. l 0 : 3 0 t.•J h ('! n T l (! F l':. 1 n y office, I did not haue ·Uw r'E·por·t: of l. h e P f! s L · i c i d <~ A cit; ·i s o l" y Fl o a r· d . ThE~Y wilJ. not nE!CE:~ssaJ":iJ.y sr:~ncl iL l.o rno, UlC!IJ 1.1ri .. ll pi"Obc:·lb.ly sund i.L to the Minister of EnuironrnenL and l_c:·\ nc:l s ( Mr· . Mr~. FUI~EY: -------·- .. -A short supplementary, MR. SPEAKER : A suppl.(;!llHHltary . MR. FUREY: ThE'! M'i.n.ist\~r· of Enu-Lr·onrn~:!nt i:-lnd Lands at ftue to six in t.hE!

Hous"! yesterdc1y pubJ.j.cl.y sl'.:at:{"!d l:hat l:hE• Pesticide Adu:isory Board had, :in fact., J"t;!cornJnr::!nclr::!cl an J.ncrE:!aSE:! of Bt by 50 per c~nt. No. tt. 1 1~218'8

Ml~. SPE'AI<FR: ()r' d (~ r· ' pl. (:~ r:·u; c ! f'lli_:.__JJLB .. 1iY : I IAIOuld l:ikr:~ t·:o ask 'the minister now, i n J. 1 g h t. of t h (:~ f <~1 c t t hal: t.: hE~ ministr:H' did make that public yE:~sl:.C.:!rday, Lhdt hi.s ciE!pi'1rt.m"!nt incrc:1ased thE! USE! of Bt by SO per cE:~nl:, 1. ... dll he notAl act upon Lhat recommendation made public yesterday by Lhe Minister of Environment and Lands? MR.

SPE()KFR: .... _______ _ The han. the Minister of Forest I'~<~SOUrce:!S. . ~:_, _.!L_ A Y L ~\1 A _B.Q : Ml". ~3p~~r.:.kel", eVEH'Y year· IA.Iith spr'<'1Y pr·ogr'dlfiiT!r~ Lo d.'IU~, our 1-.i'lC! 1/E~pi:ll"t·ntenl- of Fo1"(:~sLr·y Lo.r:i.lJ. go exi.~cl.ly by Lhe gu'i.clnl."i.nes oF 1-.hr~ licence~ to spray that are sel dOIAII'l -ror· 1.1s. We u.d.ll. l .• :~kn OlJOI"Y pr·ecauUon, Mr·. Spc:~aker, to do exdc:l-.l.y whr:1L 1-.:hc,~ DOFHH'trnc)'nl.: of Environment tells us in the l : i. c EHl c e s Ul d 1: iH' e 9 ·; l) (;! n 0 I I 1.: r 0 I" our spray programme every year, Mr. Spea ktH'. MR. FUREY : Mr.

Speaker, a final supplementary . MR. SPEAKER: T h e,~ h 0 n ._ 1:: h E! rn c,~ HI b E! r f 0 r' S 1.: . B a I" b C~! . MR. FURFY: In J."i.ghl : of the,~ for·rnc~!r r"ltn ·i. si:'.(!r of Forestry 1 s comments in the House y (-:1 ~; ~. e I' rl a y L h c:l t:. i i·. ..i. s Ft c l. o ~~' r' casE~ of economics, would Lhe minister ;··191"C:!G IAI"i Lh h-:i.s co-ll .t:!dCJIIt'!, l:hr,~ fol"ITIE'!1" M-:i n:istHr' of Foi"~:)Sti"Y, l:hc:1t. i. 1.: "i, s r'1 q IJ (~ !) 1'. -·i. 0 n () r d 0 ll. 1:·1 i" ~; d n c:l c~~nt~;, f(:)n-.1-Li"Ot:.h:i.on :is chpapE:!I", BL 'i.s Tfl01"1·:!

OXFJ(c~l'lS"i.IIC:', i~lnd SC'IJ='e·ly I 2189 May 20, 197'7 Uol XL cornE!S in J.ast? SOME HON. MEMBERS: HeHr', he;:~ I"! Mf~. SPEAKER: The hon. the M'in:ist.E!r of ForE:)sl: RE:!SOlH'COS' MR. R. 0..Y._b_WA fiQ: Once again, the hon. rnc::~rnbE!r acr·osf.; Lh~~ House, Mr·. SpE!akE'!r is t·.r' y:i.ng to carne out IA.IJth irresponsjble, alarmist statements about l::he spray pr·ogrammE! in Ll·d.s Pl"ovj ncE! . M r' . S p o r'1 k c:! r , 1:: h e s p r· a y p 1" o q r· a 1 n rn E! j: n t h i s P r o v i n c E! h a s b E! E! n c iH' I" :l E:!C~ () I I l: f 0 l" L h 0 p a s i·: r () u r' y (:' a r· s u n cl (' !

Y' the most. strict environmentaJ. 911i .dE!li.nr:!s t.hr-11·. ;:-1r·o possjbJ.e, ll-1r·. Speakr:H' . We have the best environmental 1 r:! g 'i. •; J. d 1: i. o n ·i n Uw c o 1.1 n l. 1" y ·i. n l:. h i s Pl"ovince~, and IAJl':) go uo~·:.Lt:h t.ho 9 U i d (~ l j 1'1 (;! !) , r•1 r' . ~) fl 0 d k (;' I" , IAJ i. l: h i.'l J.l. of our spray pi"Ogl"aHIIT1es. The,~ fact of Uw lrli:\LI : (!i" is, Ml".

Sp<:!i'1kEH', that up to two weeks ago there IA.Ias o n e r f:! g i. s h~ r o d s 1.1 b ~; t a n c o 1'.. h a t tAlE! cou1d chose Lo fight LhE! hE~mlock 1. o o p e:~ r o 1.1 t b r· e <'~ k -:i. n t: h i. s P I" o v i n c E:' • Mr . ~3pE:!r:·1kcc'r'' L:IAJO we,)C:!kS ago B't. lAIRS registered, and already we have r· a l s E:! d t. h o a r· "~a t: o bE:! s p r· a y e d t~o.r.i . t: h Bt from about a S,OOO hectares p r· o g r· a mrn e , M r· . ~; p ~~a k e r , 1:. o a 27,000 hectares programme this yer:~r. Mr· . Speaker, that ts an 'impr'OlJC!Irt~~nl:. of o~J(:~r· f:iOO pE'!Y' cE~nL tn one YE!ar, Ml". Speakl':H'.

If i:h:is y e ;u· 1 ~; c o1tnnc,1 r ci. d 1 s pI" d y p r· og r'cWlllll':~ proves to be successuJ., this g o lJ o i" n rn n n i . , ~11" . ~;) p f! ;:~ k o I" , <:·1 n d o u I" department will be trying to LnCI"8i~1S() l·hn L)j)f'! or Ill. j n l.:h i.s Province. But hopefully, Mr. ~·ipndlcr~l", ~~Jn ~~ri · l-1 bt·er:tk t.:hr:! cycl.f'! of ·.insecl:: infE'!Stal:'.ion Lh:is yea1", M r· . s p e '" !< (~ r' , r:-1r1 d 1M:':' pI" o b <:'d:l 1 y IAJ:'L'!. "l No. 41 R2189

not have:! p r·og ramrn~~ Province,~. as much of a nE!Xt year in Thank you, Mr. Speaker . MR ·-· SP_E;flKF:J~: Ol"dE:!r. pJ r:~cl~>E!! spray this ThE:~ tiruE~ fo1" Or·al quE!Stions has (~ -, (:~ p s (~ c:l . T IAJOuld l:ikc,~ 'i:o clec~J now w-.:i. Lh a poin ·i: oF OJ"deJ" U·Jdi·. I.•Jcts i"<:·1Lsr~cl yesb~r·day 'i:OiAH.H'dS thC:~ E:~nd of quesi .'ion -r··iwc:! by U·w hon. ·ii·w Pl"E~rnie,11".

He di"E:~IAJ my attc~nt.ion to Beallchc,~sne, pi.·\go 1.29, pdr'i:'l91"aph 357, 11 rE!pE:1at in substance a q u E:! s 1: i. o n i'\ l. r· E~ i.-\ cl y <Hl s t.•.Je r· C:! d • o I" l: o which an answer has been I"BfljSE~d." In oHwr IAJlH'ds. l::hi.•\t -'i.s no l in order. The hon. thE! Premier was quite correcl. The point is well taken. Few UH:! bE~I'lE!f i.l·.: of hon. me,1HJbcH'S l will read exactly what was in H a n s a r· d . T h e,1 f "i. r· s l q u E:~ s t :i o n a s k e,H:I by the han. the Leader of the Opposlti.on - :it is i'\S in Hansard ·· "The quc~s I:. ion, Ml".

Speaker, is how long IAJill the~ govc;!r'nrnE~nl: r!ill.oi~J this to contiriue when lh~:.~ cost of pr•odi .IC··i. ng i:hE!SE! CI.ICI.IITib<:!i"S is i. n f:!XCE:'SS of $1.2 1) pE!I" cucumbE~r·?" Fho SlipplE'!IfiE:!rll:i:H'Y ql.lt~s t · inn I~J.:-IS: "Not.~J, I cl!;k l:h~1 rn:inis'l..el", Mr. Spc,1r:·1kC:!I", hotAJ long ~~~ i.ll l:hn govc,1J"nrnc;!rlt cont::inue to aJlotAJ t:i·1E~Sf?. CI.ICI.Illib(H''S 1.0 be fll~Odl.ICOd r:·\1- $ '1, /.f) 1-o $1.~0?" Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given Dl~. COLLJN~3: Mr· . SpE!aker· . Mf~ . SPEAKER : The hon. the,1 M'irdstE!r oF I-IE~alth .

L2190 May 20, 1977 VoJ XL DR. COLLINS : Mr·. Speaker, a fow days c:~qo, the hon. rnE~Jnbc,~r· f1)r' Por·t. dE:! Cr·avE! brought forward some fjgures in Y'(~gdr'ci +:.o bE:!d closur'es. A 1:: lhE! ti.me, I si:'l:id 'it 1..uas t:he f'ir·st I h•:·\d hE'!iYir'ci oF i".hE:!I'Tl, bu 1:. T lAJOul.d look 'into thE! matt:.E!r and gE:!t back L o h :i ll'l . ~) o p u I" h .:·\ p ~; T c o u l, d j l,l s 1.: read from Hansard two ljttle parts of J~Jhr:~ I· the hon. ITiurnber sdi.d. HE~ s·a:id, in par··i~. 11 ThE~rr:~ at"E~ go::i.ng L:o bo s·ix ·i·.y fiiJ(! buds cl.osHd al . ~3t.

Clare 1 s, sr:~venLy--t.tAJO at Lhe Gi"f:lc:C! (;c:!l'lOi"dl, dncl o:ighty --on(~ <:~L: thE! HE!alth Scie;!rJCE:~s CornplE!X. 11 A l"i.LI~lo (:-Ul"·i·.hol" on, 1.1.Jhun I expressed some surprise at those f "i. gur·f:!S, hi'! sr.·1Jd, 11 T h<:'IVf:! spokC::!n t:o each one of thE! adrn:i rd.strcd.JH'S :in those;! hospi.l:al s. as l.c•11:f:• as twelve o 1 clock today, and lh~:!SE! iH' e c o rT e c 1·:. F -L g Ul" E! s . 11 Mr . SpeakE! r, I 1..11r.~ s t n t: ouch tAri t h f:hc"! adJJJ:in -i.sLr'ator· dl:: thE:! HE!alt:h Sd.encC:~s CornpJ.ex and shE! toJ.d me Uw rnf~rnber had nol·: be,H~n in Lauch with her.

Secondly, she said that thE~t"O h<ils bE:!~~n no chang~:! in thE! prop o s e d numb e r s of bE! d s • tAl h 'i c h are Forl:y - seuen, noL eighLy - one. Sl'lE:' said, 11 TherE! has bt,!l'Hl e~bsolui·.E!ly no change:! "i.n ciE:!ci. sions rnadE! by LhE! hosptt:al OVE!r' Lh:is. 11 ~)o, jusl.: i·.o be SIII"E! thr'li ... T get: i·.hE! point acr·oss, the hon. mernbE!Y' s 1:\"J.c:l, in p<:·\i"'. , ht:!

I•Ji.'t!; .. in 1-:.ou c h wttl·1 thE:! adrnJ.n:istr·atoJn a.t t.I'IE' H (~ ·~ -, I h ~·) c ·i r:! n c n s Corn p 1 t'! x i:,\ n d s h e denjes t.otally Lhat he was. ~:)r:!conclly, hn sd -ici i·.h<'t ·i·. shn ~;a·.:i.ci tl·,c,, dE~c·is:.i.on nOIAJ IAJas to close;! c,1 "i. ghl.:y -ono bf:!dS. 1:1ncl she dE~n..i . r;!s that. She says the decis'ion sLancls, AS was reported to us previously, at forty-seven beds. So, Min. SpE!ai<E:!r, I do havE:! br·"i.ng "i.nl ... o SOIIIC'! quc,~st'ion CrE!dJb:lJit:y of i·.:hE! mE~mbE!r IAJhE!n br·Jngs fon~Ji:H'd lha t: soJ"t. to 1: hE! hE:! of No. 41 R2190

·i.nfor'rnRt ·i on +:o '1-.h i.s Ho1.1se . ~:30Mf. HON . MF.MBF.f~S: Rc'!r.j gn! f~~1sign! - MR. ~)PF:AKFR: Oi"d~~r, plc.;!i:lSE!! Or·der, fJ1Bf.lSCo1! BlL HO~ __ r.:1FMBEB.: W10:1 IAJi.ll hav~~ t.o gel·:. t:hc~ hon . rnernbE:H' a bE! d . MR. EFFORD: I f I n 1::1 Co1 d E! cl o n 1'::1 , t h ~=! r· ~~ i s n o t o n Co1 at the hospital for me. MR. $PEAI<ER: Or·cll'::1r, plE~ds~~! MR. FFFORD : A p () "i. 11 t: 0 r p r· ·j v j_ l. (o1 g (~ I M l" . s p e i~\ I< n r . MR. SPFAI<FR: A po-L n l. or p r· ·i lJ i l o g C! , IJH~ h on . 1.: he lTI~~IIibE!l~ fOl" POJ"l. dE:1 GJ"a~l(o1. r~l~.

EFTOfW: T~;;;-u~;--:r:-() r·Js(>. :i.n t hj s House on a p o 'i. n I: of p r i. tJ i. l to1 g c~ , M r . S p r~ i'l k rH' , becausco1 of the statements just rr~C:-1 cl e b y ·I: h e rJt "i. n 'i s L C:! r o r H o i'l J. L h . SOME HON. MEMBERS : l~esjgn! Resjgn! MR . SPF.AI<ER : Order, plef..lse! Order! Is t-.hE! hon. mc"1rnbr"1r r·:is -L ng on a point of privilege? · MI~. EFFORD: Yes, Mr. Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: A point o f pr·ivilE!ge, the hon. thE! ln~~rnbE!I" for· Por· 1-. dE! Cr·c.~tJe. MR. F.FFORD : 1'-1 r· .

S p o .:-1 I< cH' , f f IH! l. u e l" y ~; 1: l" o n g l. y thclt rliY Pl"ivJ]l'::19E'!S Jn 1-..h:i.s HOUSE! h ;:·\ 11 o l:w C:! n s C:!lH~ r· n '1 y c:l .:-1 111 ;;' g r~ d . f·1 ;" . Speaker, Jt is very clear the 1..?.191. Mr:·\Y /.0, 1.9'77 rrl"i. rl'L !) 1: c H' down so ~)p!~c!\ k er· what is i.s 1·.1"y.i.ng l•o pl.c:-\y i:.hJ.s I IAiant ·l:o explain to the i:<lnd Lh·is Hor1sc;! f:!Xactly t.aldng plaCE!. f h.:~tJ o s po k on i ~ o LI·H~ i~\dnri. rl"i. s l:: r·ator· and the adrninistratjue people in +Jw HE:!<'I.I1:h ~3ci .EH1Cr~s Complox and very c1E!c\r1y they said the1r 'E!

WE!l"e foJ"t.y .. sc'!lJC'!l"l bc;!d!> l·:.o cloSE! lh :is year. I also had a 1E!tl':E!r, IAJh:i.ch I t a b l. o d :i. n t h :i s H o u s (~ , IAI h :i c h s i:'.l i cl t h e r ·e ,, .. JE! r E! t: h i r t y -- t h r E! E! b c;! d s closc,1d l.a.'sL year·, which I.•.JE:1r'C'! not: going to be rE!OpE!I'lE!d and havE:1 not been reopened this year, and f'or·ty-seven ·and thirty-thr'E!E! Js E!.ighty. SOME HON. MEMBERS : HeRr', hc;!<:\r! SOME HON. MfMBERS : Rc~s:i.gn! RC'!Sign! MR. EFFOIW: M r· . ~·) p E! f.·\ k (! r· I i 1·. ·j s t h ~~ E!

X r:'l c 1: 1·: r'l..t t h I tabled in this HousE:1, as :is whr:tl: T sr't'i.d <.~bout f>L. CJ.ar·e's Hos~l'i.l'.:i;ll. and about the GracE:' Hospital. Ml". Spodi<Oi", l:o cl.r.·\r'i.Fy Lho rn<.·\tter· I will personally accompany the M.in' .s 'i".E:1in of Hl;1<:il.l.:h to each of the thr'E!e hospitals and str·aight~Hl out this rni:~l: b,1r. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, ~Wr.lr! MR. PEACH : You YOI.I it . wrote IA.Ir'O l.:E:! MR. BAIRD: the lE!t-I:E !r t.: h~:! lE! l'I:E!Y' I your ·se J.F . and signed HE! IAJOUld bE:1 }OIAJ~~d.ng hirnsEd.f t:o bE! S (~ (;! 11 1~1 i 1: h y 0 II . MR. SPEAKER: Or·dr:!l", plo;~\!:;(;! !

Tho hon _. l·. ho P;"r ~s -idC' !I'll: of Lh(• Counc:i.l. 1\J () . /(. 1 ~~ 2191

MR. SIMMS : Mr . Spr:~akr:!r, firs1· of all, on thP mMlter of privilege, it is obui.(lusly not. <:·\ lnat:'l:c;!r' of privilege, it was an opportunity t.h~~ lfll':~rni:H:!r l:.ook, 1.1nd~H' th~:! gu "i. sc;! of a point of priuil~:!gl':~, mE~ rely to t r· y 1:: o d t':! f c,1 n d t. h e "i. n d e f E'! n s ·i. b l. E! . 1 gLH:1SS l..hat is tJ.JhaL has occurrE!d.

Tho pc:!r·t.··inonl:. po""i.nl: ··in 1.hn dobc.~l.:c:! hctd to do IAJith IAJh1':1l·:h~~~n indeed the 111 ern I:H:! r· , LAJ h o s c;d. d h c:! h <~ d s p o k C:! n l: o ('!ach orw of Lhos(:! i'.H:Irnin:is l:r·ator·s ·i n 1: hose h o s p i h·\ ·1 !) c.~ s J. .:~I c:! d s ·1 ? o 1 c]ocl< thc:~·l: di~Y. did ::in fact spr~c.~k l:o E:•r·\ch onr:! ddrn::i.I'L::istl"atoi"S as l.hr'll:. rlc:~y. Th ·is is q ~~ ~:! s t· j 0 1'1 • o!"' l:hosu I hl"f:!C! oF 1.2 o 1 clocl< I. h n p r:! r' i i. n o n -1.

Al l. l.ho Moi.n .. isi·E!i" oF l·l~~d-lth Si'\""id IAJa!> that. he-?. hmd chc,~cl<ed on those allr:!gc~l·:"i.ons tni.·\de by ·lol'w hon. r11embi':H' and in speak~ing LAd.th the r:-tdmin:i.s l·:r'c:·\l·.oi"S, l':.he Adrn"l.n i. st·.r·ator· at thE! HeaJ.th Sd.E:HlCE!S dE!niE:1d h<:~uing spokE!n to U1~:! gE!nt.l.c-?.lfliHl that day about that particular rnattc-?.r.

So, t.her·o "i.s cl(~cu·ly a difference of opinion as to fact, b1~t: t:h~:!rE! :is CE!r't.r'IJ.nly not i'l question of privilege here, and t h a 1-:. i. s · t h c-) p o i .n l-.: . 1 t · i. s · n o t a question of privilege, the hon. rn<,~rnb(:!r' s'i.rnply took th('! oppor·t.uni . l:y to try to explain MR. YOUNC: Th-:is :i~; !~c,~l"'.i.ous stuff. MR. TUL.i< : (Inaud:ibl(-?.) . ri!L_STMMS: This is ThE! hon. member for Fogo should l:.<:·\ko Lh(:! adu :i. c~:! he fr·equc!ni ··.l.y g:iues rnE!, 1 Do no l:: be too anxious. 1 AnyLAJay, speal<eH'.

I do not L2192 May 20, 19'77 Vol XI.. think it is the type of privilegE! po:int: ·Hli'\1.. I~IOUld bH nOI"rnaJ.J.y taking up a J.ot of time in debate, bE!Cau~;(;! i.t: :i.s clearly i'.l dif · Fr::~r'<->.ncE! of opinion as to the facts between ~ i ·.1~1o hon. gon i.·.lr::11riE!n. That :is clNlrly tJ.Jhc~t it :i.s. It CE!rta:inly .. i s no 1·. i'l quos 1: "i on of p r· i. vi. 1 E! g 1::1 an cl should not require a lot: more c:l.i S C II S S ·j 0 n r:~ n d d (;! b r:~ 1.: ('! . ~1R. TUI...I<: Ml", . SpeakE:~I", pr· .. i tJ i. ·1 ngc:! to l::hat point oF r11~ . ::) P F A !< F I~ : The hon ~ the member for Fogo. MR.

TUI 1<: Ml". Sp~~ak(:!l", i:h(;! hon. for· Po 1" ·1·. c:l C! C I"<:·\ u e Mf~. YOUNG; You are not in your place . AN HON. MEMBFR: Ho is prowling around . MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.ease! MR. TULI< : Tho h o n . g o n t ll'! ITkll'l f o r' Po r t d (;! Graue is exacty right in r·aj sin~) the point of privil.ogo. Neither Lhe Minister of Health nor anybody E:!lsc;!, Cr•tn sL.:-~nd ·i.n h "i. s pl.ac:(:! and do l::hrough tho backdoor what: ·he is n o L , r:·\ g r:t .. i. n , L·. o d o l h r o 1.1 g h t:. i·H:! front doo1".

I am ternptE!d Lo say. in no lll'lC('!I''b•l."i . n h~r'HIS, l:.h<:·\ 1·.: I:: he hon. gc,'n Ll(,1rni'.ln Fo1" Por· t. do Cl"due . l1 ,:·\ s b r:: n n I o -, cl h r:~ h t:;l s - ~ i C.:! d I. o L h "'i s Legislature. Ho has cortainly b f:!CHl 1: 0 l d l". h r;\ "i: h ('! h i:'t S d H C ~d. V E'' cl t:his legislature. Hi'! h<'l!> cE:!r'l:-.r•\inli.J bPE~n t:olcl LhaL a n cl h j s r· E! s i g n at i o n d c;~ 111 C\ n d <:• cl . A s d rn H ·I: l:. f'! I" o F F d c l:. , M I" . ~:) p '" a k E'!

I" , while the hon. gentleman was spoa!<"i.ng, fJ"()III thE=• oth('!ln s·idC'! of the House carne ·the accusation that No. lj.]. R2192

he IAII"Ote~ thc~1 1Ed.;ter and s'igned il hi.rnsr:!lf . I\Jo1~1, Mr'. ~)pF:!r:·\lwr·, th;'lL kind of thing cannot be allowed. MR. SIMMS : Le l: h·Lm n;uno ni•lmr ~s , Mr· . ~5pt1i:·llwr . MR. TULK: --------It IA.Jc~ s H c~1 i·l 1 I:; h by the Peach). not made by the Minister of ( Dr· . Co ll. i n s ) , ·i L IJ.Ii:l s rna do Minister of Housing (Mr. Now, Mr. Sp~!!i:ilbH', thi'll.; Lhi ng cannot be alloiA.Jed in this Legislature. MR. SIMMS : ki.nd oF to go on Nor should that kind of thlng. MR. TULI<: Thank you u~~ry much, Mr. SpeakE!r .

"L n c J d (~1 n l IAI h or· c~ ,:~ outs'i.dE! of Lhis f;hc,1 Pr~11fl " ier" of· We hmue had an gentl~~nmn fr~orn liouso r.~ccusod r.orrreth:ing, who is IAr.illing l:o corne of Ll·ri s Ho1.1 s r'!!. b o F o r· I:! 1: h r~ rl c:l r MR. ~3PEAn:R : OrdN', p1ea~;e! Or·dE:1r, pJ eaSC:1! r,1R. fULl<: Let. us bl"ing the administrator· I" i g h L l:w f 0 r· (~ 1:. h r~ 13tH' 0 f l: lri :; 1·1 0 II S 0 and let us see who is doing what? Ml~. SPEAKER: I am quite satisfied that there is no point of privilege here. Thero is a difference of opinion between l:wo ho n. rnc~!lrlb<H' s . MR. MORGAN: Mr.

Sp~1a k E!t', on poi.nt of Pl"iui1egE:1. MR. SPEAKE:~ : On a point of pl"iuih1gE!, the han . tho rnc:1rnber• for· Bon;:w"i.sl.:r:~ :3ouLh. r.111~. MOI~GAN : J t h i n I< :i t ·i s u E! r· y i rn p o r t a n t , my l.:?.l9 3 Mdy ?.0, 19'/'/ lJ o I X I point of pl"iu :ilege, 1.1.1hich is l':h i.s: CiHl HIC,~ HII:H !! rs of Uri~; Hous(~, Ml". Spet-~l<el", come tnto t.i'lis HousE~ of n~;sc,1 Hib"ly r:'ll'llj 1-.·irne, in dnbdt:<~ or· i n Q u e s t i o n P e r· t o d , a n cl b r· :i n q urislTul : hs, or· 11nl:r ·uths or· not factual informati on?

The que s tion I·H:! r· e Loci;:, y ·i s c:l'i cl i'l 1110111b rH' oF L h o HousE:~ bring un · tr·uth~> to thE! Hous E! or· l. "i. c~ l'. o Uw H o 1.1 so , or· ·i s ,,, ci. u J. l SE!ruant or' a SE!rn:i.--cJui.l SE!r'uanL, a c"i.t.:i.z(:!n Oll 'i.:s"LciC:!, J.yi ng l:. o I:: he;! Min~ster of Health? SOME HON . MEMBERS : Rtght on. MR. MORGAN : Thc:tl: t s th<,1 l<oy qu~;;1st.ton. Th<'! question thE!n is, Mr·. SpE!ai<E:!I" , tJ.JhtC> n Ci.'tn 11Je ;:~s IIIC'!Inbor·s oF thJ.s HOUSE! bel:i.E!UE! or not bE!J:j (;!U8 OUI" p<H!Y'S? Mf~. SPEAKER : Or·c:lor·, please,~! MR. MOI'~GAN: I am on a point of prjuilege . I'-1R.

SPFAKER: Or· d f:! r· , pl.('! as e ! MR. MORGAN: Mr·. :3pC.~,,,·i<(' !l", on po "L n 1'.: of Pl"iu:i.lE!ge. MR. ~3PEAKER: Order, p1E!ase! T h e h o n . me rn b e r i s n o t m a k ·i n g a point of priuil.ege. MR. MORGAN : I am not? MR. SPEAKER : Ckchn·, pl(~asf.~! Thn hon . 1nr~ rnbE!r -Ls not. 1naking d po:i nt of prj.uilE!9E!. HE! :is l~aldngJ <!I d tJ r:~ n l'. i:·l g ( ~ , l.!J o l'. l: ·i n g 1 r p on a pot n L of Pl"iuilegE:1 ~~o spE!ak on a ITii:ttU!l" 1\Jo. ll. ·1

t.hat is not p1nivih~ge at all. He has not. llli~de d pr· i. mc;! Fac i.e cast;! of a breech of privilege. SOME HON. MEMBERS : H~~ar·, hf.~iH'! MR. MOr~GAN: Ml". Sp~~aker, I riSE! agt-'lin on a point. oF pr·"i.vil.<:!gc,~, ~)ir, iJ~ncl l will keep rising from now until k "i. l'l g d 0 fT1 C 0 lrl ~~ lA I h <HI ITI y i" ·i. g h t.: S iH' (~ tl"oddc'n on.

Right notAl I haVE! the~ r· -i_ g h 1:. 1: o s t. c:-~ n cl .i. n L: hi .!> H o 1.1 ~; e and question a matter of privilege, ,:·t n d ·1: h o p r· .. i lJ'i."l o g o i. s 1: h i. s , ~:; i r' : MR. ~3PFAKFR : The h on . lll(md:H,~ r - r~R. r.mr~GAI\J: ----------Cj v t::~ nit'! a chc'lnct:! l:o, pleast::~, Sil", c b C:! q or· pcd 11'1:: of yo11, <!I cl·~t:uJcr:!· l'o p11 1:. lilY pr:ivil.ege forward Lo this My po i nl: ·is i'.lri s : As of this HousE! , can tAlE! Hou ~'e.

IIIOfl'lb~?.l" S Its l:.<:!n IAJha t i'.l a11Aii:'\YS to t:.h~:! dc;!bi:·\l·.:es r:lnd b~:!l.'i.~:!Vf:! member' says at any timE! is I have sat in th "i. s House since 1972 bE!liE:wing that tAJhen we stood in d(:d:latc,~, IAJ(:! always t.ol.d the truth, or cou1d !Ale listen and d (?. b a 1:: e t h e t. r· u 1:. h . 1\J o 1~1 l.: h .::~ question of truth is before us ;:dl. D'id ''' rnc~mber of Lhe House Jie Lo the HouSE!, or' is somebody oul:.s ·i.de l.yi.ng l:o + he M"i. n"Lst:<:!r of l·k!alth? It is a VE!r'Y :impol"tant po-i. n 1·: oF pi" ·i IJ -i. l e g n . J 1: h "' s ·1·. o b

r) addr'(,~~;sc,~d. If the mE!rnb~~r' for' POI"t ci e C 1" i'11.Jr:! i. ·i. (;! d 1.: o i'.l'l 1 s H o 1.1 s n , h

r) has t·o b(~ d\'~cl] t IA.Ij t h by thl':~ Hous(~ of f.bSt'!Hibl .y' nnc:l "i r l:ho M i.n i.s IJ!I" of' I-IE:!c1.Jt.h lj~~d to t.h(;! 1-iOUS(:~, h('! s h () I I "I d b (! d (! i'•\ 1 l.: IAI i I· h b lj I h i'! II 0 u ~; (~ ' equally. Somebody is lying. Mt". ~')por.tkE'!I", n1y po:i.r1t J~; lnC:!Jilbl'!l" oF i:he H 0 II!)(~ l 'i. (;! d 1·. () !::haL cl <.·lll of l.IS, IAihich :is a VE!ry, VE!I"Y b r' ('! a c h of L h e p r' ·i IJ ·i. 1. ('! q (~ s L2194· May 20, 1977 SE!I"ious of l·:.h is VoJ. XL House of AssE!Inbly and of me as a lnE:!lrlbE~r. c1nd i.l: hr:,1s to b!':' cl!':'i:'!J.t wi t h , M r .

S pea k E! r , by t hE! C h c-l'i r . rt is a breach oF pr·ivllege of all the House. Not just thE! fTI(:HnbE!r' For' Bonr.-!v-L st:c'\ ~3oul:·.h, all. of us. Can we in the future l:isten to dobai:E! and quest· . .i. on~~ IAI'i. t.hout. a clear understanding that what is being s~ "L c:l is ~he clear ~ruth? Right now we cannot do Lhat. MR. ·sPEAI<ER : l i·\111 q II . i. j·· f:! p t' (;! p ;:~ 1" (:! d 1·. () cl <'! i'l l. IAI :.i. L h this matter now. There is no p r• i. Ill d 1- d C "i. 0 C •'\ S 0 0 f b r' C! d C h 0 I privilege.

The matter the hon. lfiOI'fli:l<~r· l-ot· i10I'Ii'W j ~; l:.i:l ~30l.ll:.h i'li'!IS I" a :i s c:~ d , I h a v E! a lt" E! a d y d E:! a 1 L IAJ..i. t: h , I h 0 I" (~ I s i•\ d 'i, r F (! i" () n c (! 0 f 0 p . i. 1'1 j, 0 n bui.:I;Joon l·:t•JO hon. IIHHnber·s. Dr~. COLUNS: A ·po:int. of Ol"d~H', Ml". SpE!clkE·r·. MR. SPEAI<ER: A po"i.nL or or'dE!I", the hon. l:.hE! Minister of Health. DR. COLLINS : M t' . S p (;! a k ~H' , IAJI'H;! n 1:: h E! h o n . H o u s E! LE!ader opposite roSE! hE! sug~JeStE!d l:hi'\1 .. l d 'i. d SOII'lE~Lh:ing :irnpr'OpE!r' by bringing this to thE! att:E•ntton of Lhc;!

HoLISO, he,~ sor'l-. of oi. ncl"i.cdi::E:!d that I, under som~:! soJ"L of p r' e '1'. (~X L ' l~ld s c r>:tll-i. 1'1 g ·1". hE'! h 0 n ' member for Port de Grave a l:iar. NotAl, Ml". Speai<E!r, I just ccHlnot loi: i".·hi·ll ·. ::•-1-.:dnd ~~J " i.i':hou'l'.: 1" -i. s'i.ng on d point of Ot"d(:!r to point ou L t·.hr.1t i · :hr~ hon rnc~111bc!r' bJ"oughi:. fot"t•.Ji:'ll"ci som(:! facts of t.tJhich I IAJc:·lS unc:IIAIC\I"t:• i:·ll: l·he l: ~ itne. T l:ol cl l'l "L I'It T \..\Jou l cl look inLo Lhe details of those r d c i ~; I p r·· 0 p 0 s n d I. d c 1'. s ' ;::1 l l. (~ q (;! cl facts, cll'ld that.

I IAIOUld COI'rJ('' back 1: o I: h n H o 11 !> u IAJ"i I h L·. h u I" t:! s 11 J 1:·. s o F my :invest'igat'.ion. And t:hi>:t-1: 'is C! x c:1 c 1': .. , 1J 1.11 h ,.~ l· l d ·i d . T 1·:. t•.Jc:-\ s no 1':. , as the hon. House l...to~dciE!r' suggE:!SLs, t:ln c:·\i'.'I.:E'!IIIpl:. on lrllj pi'll"l.: l·.o 'i.n iill'lYI.•.J'-'lY No. 4·1 R2194·

J.ab~:!l by t.h~~ biitckc:loor l".ho hon. n1em~HH' for Port d~~ Grav~~ as a l.:i.C:'ll''. r. rnorol . y c:ILc:l 1AJht:1i'. r: tHidN·'I.ook to do, 'inuc,1s ·1'::igatE! sornn nr:'lll inFol"llli'll:'i.onl or· ;:·1llogr~d nf'!IAJ :i11f01"rnat jon t !·,at:. the;! hon. rTIE!rnbor· h d d 9 i. IJ (~ l'l . [ r 0 I I l'l d ·I: h f' ! ·:.i nfoi"Tnd t :i.o1·1 IAJc~s j ncoi'Tt~ct ;~nd I rl 'i. c:l IAJ i'lr'1 1·. I 1 11'1 d (~ r· L n o i< 1: o d o , T reported that to the House. So, :r would !;ay l~hat .. tl·w hon.

ITH~rnbol" IAJdS qu 1.: oF or· d~H' in 1naki .ng the u n'f o u n d ~H~ a 11 ega t 'i o n that I had solnC'! t.ll-i:E '!Y'i or· rno l' ... i IJO <'lnd I being l~.he man he is, I tJJouJ.d expect hirn to withdraw iL. .~B._.!_ T U '=.~ : Ml". SpeakE1r. MR. SPFAKER: To that point of ordE!r, the hon . thE:1 rnE!InbE:1r for· Fogo. MR. TULK : To that po:.i.nt of orciC::1r, the hon. gC::1ntl.ernHn cer·L;:~ · inl.y Llsed i·l·w IAJor·d~; 1 d :id not 1 j n replying to AnslJ.Jer·s I; 0 Q IH1 S 1'. .. j 0 l'l S f 0 r• IAI h ·j C h 1\) 0 1: 'i. C P. h r:l. S bc,HHI G:i uen, no al"gumE:!I'lt .

If the hon. '-..:JC:!I'l Ll c,11fl<Hl hi'!~; notlJ clo;:u ·r,!d up tl·1e s:itua'l-'.ion, no pi"ob1E '!fTI on t.l·1is s'i.dr~. lnJe ;:~cr;c~pl l : hr~ r~pology . MR. MORGAN : 'T'i-. -· Ts---~~;-:i ·1 h('! rnembei" Housn. C l. 0 r'l I'' ] -:i.rc.1d . l.o He.;! 11~:~ lho11gh . l'iE~d · t o the,, ~i· ~3PEAI<LR : Or·de:~ l", pJ.eaSE!! MR. TULI<: Mr. Speak~1r, I l"ise on a point of pr·.iv"i.J.eg~1. MR. lULl< : The han. the gentleman Bon a v "i. s l~ i:l So 1.1 1:: h h t:l s j 11 s I ~ s c:1 i d mE!HibE!Y' l:ic;!d, 1 and hE! cannot l.:hi:tl:·. i.n l:.h-:i .. s l . eg · i . sl.c:~t. l . ll"r:!. from I t:h( ;! do l_/.l9 '

f) May ?.0 1 1.9'77 lJol. XI . MR. SPHlKER : I was listening to the han. member for· Foqo. TF i.i'w hon. rn'~IIJbE:! · r· s;::~·i d 1 hE! l'iE!d, ' I wouJ.d a~; I< h:i.rn l·: o IAri 1: h d t• r:•11AJ i I· ' T IAJ'l. n Cl'! I" 1: a i.nl. y check it in Hansard. MR. MORGAN : Mr'. ~'ipC:!r:~k,:!t' 1 in rny I"C:!C0-11 C:!C 1':. Lon of· what occur'Y'E!d t.oday :in this HouSE!, s o HIe bod y -, · i E:H:I . rl1·1 d , M ,.. . ~:; p om k E! I" I if thE!Y want, I tJJ'.i11 go on i:l po:i.ni: () f fll" j I) "i, l. (,~ 9 e d 9 r'\ 'j_ n . MR. SPEAKER: Order, 'pleaSE!!

If the hon. rnembE!r said the hon . rnfHTlbE!Y' I · HH'f~ 1 ic;!d, T t:~"' as Icing h::i.rn now to withdraw that . MR. MORGAN: Mr. Speaker I I w'i 11 r·E:pE!a t for thE! r· c-~ c o 1" d IAJ h i:-1 i- I s t'l i d o F f t.. h e r' E'! c o r· d I that: thE! eu:i.dE!I'lCE! put f'Or'IAIEII"ci 'l:od<:·lY by l: h('! M"i.n·Jsl -.::!t' oF I·IE:!a1Lh sl'lOIJ.Js that the memi~JE!r' for Pol"r: dE:! (.;i".:-lVO l.:ir:!r:l in l:ho Hor1se o·F Assembly . It is on the record 1'\0111 . The o IJ':i. c:l on c 0. .. i s i':I'HH' e . rJJr~. FlH? EY : Ml". Spe:1ake1" I or·d or· . to that point o f MR.

SPFAKER: To-·-l :hr·l-1:--p()-i.nl: of ordel" I h u n . UH:~ mEHnbeJ" fol" St. RadlE!. MR. FUREY : N;~-TC'"-Ts a po -i. n t. of or· cl E:! r· . Mr. SpE!aker, clE!cH'ly you hav E:! ruled on thi:-lt and sa i d that Jl:: was a difFerence of opjnion between l:tAJO hon . rrH~rnb(;!J"S I rnr.Jch l il<~:! :i.l:: IAJcls a djfference of opinion between th<'! Pt'Hrni.E~r· c:1nd r.IJI" . Dobb'in, and this member should w'ithdraw that s L ;:·1 1". o rrH:! n 1':. . MF~. SPEAKER: Or·der, please ;!! OrdE!r, pJ.ef.lSE!! 1\J I) ' /j, 1. 1~21.9~)

Th<:~ hon. m~~rnber is now gr:1t"Ling atAJal} cornpl.c,~b~ly fr·om I.~>Jhal:. IAH~ cH'E! discussing. The han. the member for' Fogo sm"i.d lha 1".: t:.h~~ hon. lh<-:1 member for Bonauista said in so mmny words that a lie was utterr:1d. I said to the hon. member For Ronav"i.sta South, i. f that was so, would he tAli t h d raw it. Now, it has no L t..uithdr·awn as far· I concc,1rnE!d, and I Hansar.d and decll as IAJJ. l.J IAJ:i. t h look it MR. SPEAI<FR: Orc.ier' f>l ,;::;;,.''I . ..1 "';. J ... :. t,:l ~=' ;. • MR. MOI~Gf.'IN: T l'l(~ 0 l)"i, c:l (:11'1 c 0 s i·l ()IAJ s I'

H) l i C:! c:l . ~~u'idE!I'IC~~ dtOIAJS j t .. MR. F'l.IREY: H c:1 i s s i:~ y :i. n g :J. 1: i:·l9 ,,, "i. n . MR. MORGAN: The man lied to the House . MR. FUREY: Name him, Mr. Speaker . MR. MORGAN: The evidence shows it. evidence is cl<:1ar. The man to t.hE-l Ho11se. MR. FUREY ; Now, Mr. Speaker, come on! MR. SPEr~KF:i~: Or·d<:~r, pleaSE!! Or·dc,1r, pl.er.lse! bc:1E!n am al: on The~ The J.i<:1d Th~~ hon. l'l01AJ l:hi'll: ru~~mbi'::H' cJ ear·J y has scdd ;:~ liiC~tnbcH' 1.-i.c;!d l:o · l:hr~ House;!. T Lha I . . iiiS k h:irll l'lOIAJ to lAJ:i.thdraW Mf?. MOf~CAI\J : Ml" SpC:1i~- k (:11" I no, S:i r· .

I dJ.cl not s i'l y l·.l'li'll .. T s i'l-i.c:l 1-.1-lC'! (~IJ-i,dr~ilC(! i 1'1 I 2196 Mr..lY 20, 1977 Vol XL this House today, in de!bate, shotAJS 1: h i:li:. 1-.: h (:1 llklrl J. i. (:~ d i·: 0 t h (~ 1·1 0 II 5 (:1 . MR. FUREY: Now, Mr. Speaker. MR. MORGAN : Somebody lied to the House . MR. FUREY : Mr. Speaker,·name him! Name him! SOM~ HON. MEMBERS: Ndrne lri.rn! Name hirn! M.R. MORGAN : ~io~rteboc:ly l iE!d l:o 1-.he H01.1se . MR. FURFY: 1\lRIItr~ hi.rn, Mr. Spor:-lk~~r . MR.

MORGAN: T si-.r:~nd by i.h,ll. ~301110bocly l i tH:I 'l:.o the House of Assembly today, SOIIIObocJy! l IAri.l:hril''i.·liAJ SdY i l'lCJ a membet" lied; but 'l':.hE! ~~uidenCC'! Si'lOIAJSd l:i'lt'll-. SOIII<:1body l .. iod 1::0 t:hE:! House and it is a very serious mati':er. Petitions MR. GILBERT: Mr. Speaker . t'1~-· _,SPEAKER: The hon. thE! 1mnnber For But"gE!O -· B<.·lY d 1 Fspoit". MR. GILBERT : r"l r· . ::> p o i:\ k o I" , J: h ;:'t 'J ~=! i'' p c'! t ·:i. t: .. i o n from 124- unenlployt~d IAJOt"ket"s in ·Uw c o rrnn u n i L y o F' r-1 t l 1 1: o tAJI'l , h ,,~ ,~ c1 of t hE!

Bay, Bay ci 1 Espoir·, Jn the d:istt":ict of l'li.IJ"goo fl;:-ly d I FspO "i 1''' rhc:! p~1t.Jt:.'.ion is: To the hon. Hous~~ of Assf~rnbly :in Pdr·-1 i;'lrnnnl-. ,..,~;soutb-lec:l. ~·.Je do hnr·c~by pl"(~SI'!I'lL pol-.:i.l:.-ion on No. 41 R2196

behcllf of ti·H~ Lll'ld~H·sj_grwd r·estdenl:s of Head Bay -- M:ill totAJn, Bay d 1 Fspoir, in the electoral district of Burgee- Bay d 1 Espoir. A-L Uw pr·r~senl: i.'i.tnr~ 1~1e <:H'O dpp~:~J] Pd by tiH1 nund:)er· oF peopl<,~ 1~1h0 ···\l"r:! l.tl'lr:!lllp-loyt:!d t:'tl'ld <:·\I"C! tJ(.'!I"Y Ull<.~bl~=! 't:o s~:!CUI"~'! E:1mp1o-yrnf!nt in the:1 bc·\Y i.·\1"(,1<'1.

TTIIIIIro1<'1'·i ,'\I e l.110r · k i !) bd.dl.y nE:!EH~E~d and j rnrned:i.f.ltE! jobs have to br~ 1nr:-1de c.~tJr:·dl.t'lbl l'= ! .. in or·c:ler· for· -l:ho 1'·e:.jdE~r1t· s to impi"OVE! thE! d E! p'l o r· a b l o s 1-: 1:·1 n d '~'I" t.1 o F J. .. i tJ "L n g 1". h r:-1 1·.: now ex:ists. SOME liON. I'-1F.r·1BEf~S: Oh, oh! MR. GrLBERT : Ml". Spl~aker·, I cannot re:~ad this p (;! t. :1. t i o n ·-i_ f t 1·1 <'! b a b b 1 oi. n g s t. i ll goes on over there. They ar'E! not interested in unernpl.oyment 1n Newfoundland, but those people are. SOME HON . MEMRERS: H e a r· , h t:1 i'H' ! MR.

GT.L.BEin: We, the unemployed people of Bay d 1 F. s p o ·i. t' , "'I" (,1 u E:! r· y 1111 .1 c h f r' u !; 1:. r· a ·1·: r:! d and d:isconl~entmt:1nt :i~; rampant t!Jhen I~Jf:1 hOcH ' Of Olll .s'i.d<:! t:Onl· :l"i~Ci-.cH'S g:iut::1n contl"acts t.o plant t:rE~~~s in OIH' <H ' E~i:~~; f:'lnd bl" i ng i nt~ in l.hn lHI E'!TIIp J oy 0 d p E! 0 p J. E~ f I" Otn (o1J. S ~~IIJi'HoH' (! , tAl h r=! n o 11 I" 'l o c <~ I. p r,1 o p l t:! go IAI i: I: h o 11 i . j o b :. . We c a n p 1 c-.1 n t: 1': I" c,~ e s a s tAlE:~ 11. ,., s o 1 1 l:. ~; ·i d o r· ~' . T h ·i !> c;:~ n n o L b o a] J OI~J(:!cl t h'is SE!i'lSCJI'l.

Many forest sec li ons need to be workPd on in rogarrls of l"('!fOr'c-?.st·aU .on and many jobs can bt::1 cr·E~Rtod, dll.c!IAJ-i.ng for rnor·(;! pc,1oplE~ to gain employment if the g o u c;! r' n rn <"! n 1:'. J. s l: r· y i. n q t.: o r· E:! s t: o r o a fast dwindling natural resource. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! L2197 MRy /.0, 19'77 Vol XL MR. GlLBEfn: Mr. Speaker, maybe the tt.~o~o rrt E!TnbE!rS l··.hel"C:1' Uw lfH~rnl:)('!i" ror· Ct·and Bank and tho ITH:!rn~.H~r for Cal"boneal" ar·c:! no I:. ·j nhH ' OSh,,d -i_n IIJ'lOITlployHIE!I'li-' .. r1.f:?_. _1~ u r~ f~Y : l"hr~y ·l:h·ink ·i 1: is .~joke,~. MR.

GTU!F.rn : 'fj:j E! yUt :i n'l(- i L i S a j 0 k E! . I'-1R. SPEAI<ER: Ol"ciOI", plndS(~! I ask thE:~ han. membe1" t:.o cont'inu<:~ IAri. 1·. h h ·i s p ~:! i·. t t.: -Lon . MR. GILBERT: Tht'! ~~nelnpl.oyer:l pl':!Oplt'~, t.~Jh('!l'l LJIC b e n E! f i t s h a v t::' r u n o u t , a r· e g cd. n g -· no ol·:hE!Y' choi.cE:! i". o our ~)oc-.ial Services to gain social welfare 1non-i.r:!s l.:o i<o<"!P ·l".h(:!Jr· F<:,\rn:i.l.:i(:!S . They are then put to work with privd~e enterprises, on l y to be paid not by the private (~ n +- l':1 I" p r· i. s E'! s , b 1 1 -1:-. +: h r~ 5o c :.i. a 1 Service:1s Department.

ThE:1Y have to I~IOI''k ·rot' l)(;'r'Y l.OIAI 1Aid9('!S i:Hlcl f"i_nd it very discouraging and not ~; I I r r ·i. c i. ('! n ·I· F ·i, n c:~ n c e s 1·. 0 buy t h ('! household needs which are so cos l:l.y ;_., i·: Uris 1.-i.rne "i.n our· d;:~ : Lly 1-.ives.

Our· pt::1ople al"f:1 foi"CE:!d l':o IAJO r· k F 0 ;··· lrt i n i. llll I lfl lAic~\ g r:• s ' !ill~~ 1: I" 1.1 ~:· 1·. i'\ n d do b n l i. f:! tH! l: h i"l l~. t: h <'! present PC administration can do br=d: I:C!I" l: o "itnpr'OtH:! 1·.1-lC'! 1-i~J C!S oF t:he people in rural areas like our Ol.tJI'l . liJn l~liHl'l: 1. o -, i u '~ j n o u I"· chE!lnish<,~d hornE:! uj.J.lagE!S, IAIE:! do nol: t~Ji'lnl-:. i:o -l i uc=! 01.1r' -, .. i~JH!:• in ltl"ban ar·eas.

P1ease dt::1C('~ntral:l.ze UtE! jobs 1::-ur our· t.1nen1pl.oyed dnd not l:'.o centralize thern where our peop1e hi:·\ u c- ~ l::o b f.! t' (.~1no u ed f I"Oirt a trad:it'.ionaJ 1:ifE!Sty1E! to takE! upon- t:hernst::'l.Uc;!S dn l.lr ' bi'\1'1 111ay of 1.-.iFe w h i c h t h E:~ y f i n d h cl r d t: o c o p <;• IAJi t h . Now, Mr' . SpeakCH', I find Ulis not 1\Jo. _11-1. 1~::>19'7

so n1uch a pwtitjon cls a plea, and 1:. h i s p l e d ··i ~; F r· o 1 11 1 /. 'I· t~JCH' k e r· s i n l'l f.A y d ' E ~; pot r· . 1_. or· y o u r· be n e f i t , r"'l". Speaker I Lh~!!l"(c.1 ·j s '" i·.o 1:..:~1 IAJOI"k force in Bay d'Espoir of 1,700, f I" 0 m r"l () I" r' i. s u 'i. l l . ('! 1• 0 s 1·. . ~ l. b a 1'1 I s I ou L of a tot:.al popu1ation of t+, 1.00. OF <:·\ l:ot:al. IAJOI"k FcH'c~:! of 1,700, Mr·. Spe:1al<er, 200 have fu11 l:·.t1nE! jobs.

Th~~y ar·e l::h~~ onc'!S IAJho are emp1oyed with Newfoundland Hydro, l::he l::eachers, l::he govr:~rnmE!nt IA.Jor·ker·s, the social workc,1r·s i'Hld t.I-H:! feiAJ pc,~opl.E! 1~1ho operate private businesses there. Mr· . Speake,~,~. Mr~. TUI .. I< : Ninet.y pc,1r· cc::1nt ar·e unemployE!d . MR.

GTI 11FRT: 1\l"i n r:! 1-- y per· c r:! n 1 · d r· r=! 1 1 n r~ 1r1 p l o y n r:l . r~ i. g h 1-: n Ul.\1 I !) l . o"'l 1 i !) I t c !) I~Jt ., l. s h (JI~J' -1-l·lc-~rP <:.tl"f! c1osE~ t.o 600 peoplE~ ci1~,,11.~ori.ng tHWinp ·l OIJttlonl Thosr:! pEW p] Cc~ i!ll'' e d I" f.l!Ad n g u n e rnp 1 o yrrHHl L bE! c au s r,~ 1: hey t~Jo r· k f!! rl on t~Je l.·f .:~ r' o pl"ojc::~cts last: yec:un to qualJ.fy for· Len tAJ~~eks' t~Jor·k and for·I:IJ·· · i·:I~IO lAJE:H:d<s of IHlE:~rnploymE!nt. TherE! arE! ov~:!r lOO pc,1opl r'!, f\1r·.

SpE~i:·\ker, t.:hc,~ Manpower Outreach office told me yesterday, who are discouraged workers in Bay d'Espoir, who do not come there any more. The youth who never unemployed and cannot a1"e not considE!r·ed as r.!Jr'. Sp~~akE!!Y', so t:hE'!':f into the statistics. regjster as gE:!t. a job unE!mployr:1d, do no!-.: corn('! What I r.1m p1E:~a for· peoplc,1 tA.Jho arE! 1-J.u:ing :in \JE!r'y desp(!!r'c"l ·l·o conc:.l"i.l:""i.on~;.

Th(!!IJ ar·~~ poj nt:-.i ng ou t that t.hE:1Y do not IAJi'\ n L 1:. 0 b r:~ r~!) r· (: (!! d () n 1.: () s () c :i. i'\ l. s~rv-.ices before qualify:ing for a · job. r"' I" . ~3 p (~ i:-1 k (! I" ' 1: h (~ M i n-i <; he! r' 0 r ~~OC:J d) ~')~:!1"\J:i CE!!~) IAJi>IS SO pl"OUci .J i'lS 1·: IAI('!Hk IAJhert hn i'll"lrlOIII"lCI'!d l:hi"·\1· l·hr:!r'O I 2198 May 20, 1977 Vol XL IAJer·e ten jobs CI"Bi'..\t.E!d at thE! boa L V•'lr'd in JJ,·\IJ d'Fspo""i.l", socjdJ. services jobs.

The people down 1-. h (;! r· (!! l'h·\I.J ~~ phon c~ cl rtlt'! <:·1 n d sa .i cl , 'Look, we do not IA.Jr.lnt to be for·cc"!d 1:: 0 .i. n l.. 0 t: h e d E'! g r· a d C1 1:. ""i. 0 n 0 f 9 0 .i. n q on welfare bef6re we quality for a job. I/IJ(!! cleSE!r'tJe bel··.f".(:!r'.' M r . S p (!! a k E! r· , a s y o u k n o IIJ , E!ITiployment in Bay d' Espoir is Hlcl t n l y :l. n for'(~~' 1:: r· y d n cl constructjon. There were lSO FH~opl(~ t~.Jho usod l·o IAIOr'k t.~od . Lh Lhr::• DE!partmE!nt of FtH'E:~stry under Ute FESP Pr·ogr'dlflrnc,', l· ht'!

For'~' !St Economic Stimulous Programme, t.•Jiri. c h Uw p I" E'! v ·i. o u ~; f ~=! cl o n~ 1. government and the provincJal gotJC:!Y'I'llllf!!l'l L s h,u·r:!d 90/1 (). rh:-i.s programme was done away with. All I: h o !> H l ') 0 tAJO I" k (~ r· ~' h <:·1 u r;! l C! ·f L·. t:. h ."1. s year J.s that four'lE!E!I'l of l::h<::~ITI iH'e qoing In gnl. jobs fur· fotlr' tAJHnks. T h e c o n s I. I" u c 1: i. o n i. n d 1 1 s t I" y , IAJ h ·i c h trained the people of Bay d'Espoir ·l·.o l.d!U'! i.i'li;!ITI di.•Jdlj fl''!)lfl l::hE! forestry industi"Y sornE!

YE!iH'S ago, wi. l:h l:ht:! bwi.ldi .ng of the Newfoundland hydro plant there - MR. SPEAKER: Or d ~~ t' I p 1 (~ ,; s e ! MR. GILBERT: ---------l n c o n c l u s to n , M r· . S p E~ a k ~=! r· , o n E! of thE! workE!rS said to rriE!, 'Min. C""i. l. bE!! I" t-. , tAJC! a r· E!! con c E! r' n l'! cl abo u t the fact that thE! gOVE!!r'l'lrriE!I'd: CC:H1 spend ~r,?~?. rntll "Lon PI"Ojoct:, pOIAJE~rE!d IAJh(Hl we cannol-. gEd· d' Espooi.r·. MR. SPEAKER: -·----------- nn by i'\l'l':f 'l":. h (:~ ~~PI"Unq Ol.lln hydi"O, !AJO r· k -L n Bc:,,y T ho hon. i·hH I 1'~<:·\der· oF t he Oppo~; J. tion. MR.

WFLLS : M r· ~) p n i'\ k n I" , I· h i ~; ··i ~; p r·· o b"' b l y t: h n No. 41 1~2198

most significant petition presented in this House this session, ~nd there is not on~ person on the governmE:Hlt side pay :-i. ng r~ny iAt.:t~~nt · ·i . on to !~he pl,r,~etS f1"orn th(:1 t.housands of pE:1opl(~! in Llr i s Pl"ov"i.nc("! 1~1ho iH' r~ being de:~pr'j vr:1d. MR . STMW-l : A po i nt of order, Mr. · Speaker . Ml~. ~:>PFAI<FR : A po'in-1- of Pl"I~S i dr"!rl 1: of MR. STMMS: o l"d e r', t. h(,~ i.he COI.Ii'lC i 1 . hon . 'Lh(~ The hon .

Uw I ~~ i:~c:k!r' of l.:ho Opposition can get up and p on 1·. i. f 'L c ;q 1.: (:1 i:-l l. l. h E:1 IAJi.'l n 1: s , b 111.. 1: o suggest t.hli:H'E! is nobody over herE! l.:l.st~~n"i.ng ·i. s l·:ol'.i::tll.y 'i.naccl .lr' ai·:e, unfair, and not true . So why say i. l:? Why doHs J-:h(~ HI(:1Jnb('!r' not <.:Jt"!t.: on with IJJhat hE! has t:o say c~boui: the peti.tion, never mind his nasty, political innuendo and i'lt.tacks. MR. SPEAKER: Or'der', please! There is no point of order . hon. I 1':! a rl (~ Y' o·F Oppos:i. t.-i on. MR. 1,\)E 1. 1.~) : T hdnk you. Ml". Speaknl" .

T I" r,1 ··j 1-. n r' •'ll.i~ , p no p 1 r-~ i. n go 1; cH··I'llfl(~! n L iH'(~ no'L pi:.ty:ing attE:Hlt.ion to th(,! p 1 ~~ i'l s of 1.: h o U1 o 1.1 ~; .:-l n d s of NEnufoundland("!I"S IAiho cli"E! wtthout job~;. llriUwul.: I:IH1 HIPiHTS of ptll:l. :·ing a redsonable level of food on t: h (·~ i. r' t·. i.•\ b l ~ : ! S I i'i( n rl r:•i r' (;! i'l S () n 1:~ b l (! ctmount. of clothes on their chi.l.dr'E:!n, and g"i.v "i.ng t·.h,::!tll i'ln oppor'tun :ily to go lo s chooJ.. ThE! goVOI"I'lltl~'!nt s :.i. t:s ancl doc~!S not:. pny attention to '.it. ThE!IJ :ignorE! the situation in this Proui.nce .

L2199 May 20. 1977 VoJ. XL SOMF HON. MEMBFRS : Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER: 0 r' c:k! r , p 1 r~ ,:t s c,1 ! 0 r d ("!I" , p J. ease ! Ml~ . PATTERSON: Give back your salary . Mf~. SPFAI<FR: 0i"d~1r, plE!aSE~! MR. WEI. I. S: Mr. SpE:'i'lh)r. no i f; r~ 7 MR. PATTERSON : IAIO U J.d you sl~op t:hat: G i \) (;! b.:~ c k y 0 1.1 Y' !) r:~ 1. iH' y 1:: () 1: he b l. ·i. rl d and the deaf and the dumb . MR. SPEAI<ER: C)r'd(~!r'. pl.~:!aS E!! Mr~ . WELLS: Mr.

SpE!aker, thE! most <i.l ' ri(:JOJ~tant p (:1 I~ i. 1.: i o n p r' "! s E! 11 1:: E! d ·.i n t h :1. s I i o u !; E! today has bN~n J.argE!ly tgnorE!d by thr,, gou(:!r'I'IHJ(:!nl-., as l::h~:! ba!:;j .c plight of our peopJ.e has been ··i.gnorE~d. ThE:1y hi:·lVE! sal·: by fo1" years and devastated the economy o ·f I: h ·i s P In o t; i n c o a n d f o r' c \~ d o u r' people to leave to find food to f E1 <:! d i·JH:! l I' (' r·llrl"i l -i. e S . SOMF HON. MEMBERS: 1-1 (~ i":H' 1 h (:1 rH' ! MR. WFI. LS: fOI" thi"E!E!

S t.l'·r.d.ght 'j(:'i:H'S :in a I"OIAJ o 1 1 i" p o p 1 1 1 "' I· i o n h a !; ' I t:! c 1 ·i n e d . T L :is conti nu:i ng noL.\J :in to thE• f ou I" Lh lj r~ r:-\1" I M r-· . ~-) p e i'l k (! i" I be c d I I ~ :~ f'! 1". h (;• r' E! is not enough work for our p (~ o p ·1 e . T h e y r'l r' (~ d i" -L u e n o u 1- of thts ProvinCE! to Find food. Our' pop111r:·ll.: .. ion ·in ·J·.h ·i. s f>l"ov"i.nct'! t.odi:ity is less than it lAJas in 1981 .

T ho only pi"OV 'i.nce 'in Canadc:~ Lha 1·.·. has had c~ ciE!C]inE! :i.n populat ·:ion, Lhe o n 1. y o n e i. n d l. 1. t: h o s E:! 1J r:~ a r' s , a n cl we are going down. No. 4-1 R2199 ,_ ···:>~ .... -

,,~.nwn IJOII drlcl l:o l:hi'll·, Mr·. ~)fH'!dkor·, t fir,• 1 3, (_)()() p(c'OpJ.r,> ned LH'c1l . iII C !"(-l.a S ("' by I I'H"! (~ X c (! s s () f I:> "i f' L h s . 0 I) (! I" d~"~~ltl·1s ctncl the,~ c\c'i:ual l"~"duct:ion of r:1not·.hE!Y' S, 600 i.n 011r· pop11l.H 1-"i on, 'i:hcd fiiE!cll'lS thcd~ 18,000 p~H>pJ e have bE:!E:!n di""i VE:!n 011·1: of l·.ht~; Pi"ovtncc,~ by thE" fa 'i] U Y'f" 0 f 1':. hE" g 0 V E! r nlTIEHI t to properly prov i de ~n econom i c situation where they can find work. SOME HON. MEMBERS ~ Hr:~al", hear! MR . .

WELLS: ThE!Y sit:, as the mernb(~r reads pl.E:~i::ts fr·orn l::hesE" pE:!oplE:~, and laugh and yael< and pay no attention. Thd.t. r'C"!fl.c;!c+:.s IAJhctl: the;! gover·nrn~"nl: hcts been doing itself for the last E"ight: or ni.nc:! YE"'"r·~;. rJJI ~EI. . I..~i : T11 ci•J.SE~ pE:!opJ ~,1 <'H'r:" no L al~lc'H'E", Ml". S ~H" ;•\l<r:! r· , 1 7 i. f h" C! 1'1 1110 n , 1~10 1110 1'1 , '" nd dl'.i] di"EHI fOI" eVE:H'Y sJ ngJ (.;! day of I h r" l. ;;u; 1-.

Li'H' r" n i'Hl d o n (." · q 1 1 i'lr' UH' year~. hctve been driven out of L:h-is Pl"OtJ:i.ncr,~ by Lh1:! pr"r·for·mancn of this government, fifteen for E"VOI"Y di:liJ, Mr·. ~)P("dkC:!I". WhE:!n i. s j t ~~otng to stop? When a1"e they g o .i. n g t-. o c al l. a n r;! l. (" c "1: i o n a n d p wL an r:~nd to it? SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear·! MR. WELLS : If you want another measure of i)J h d t t: h (;! s E:! p e o p 1.

C'! 1.~1 h o s -L g n e d L h a 1·. p~d.ition ar'E! t:alk:ing about, look' at. wha ·l... h1:1s hdpp(~I'IC'!d Lo l':.hc" proportion of our populat i on l i_ l! 'i. ng be'lOIAJ 1·:.1'1(! f>Ol)('!J''Ly lr~I)Ol. T n 19 8 1 , 1 7 . 4- p E! r· u~ n L IAifH' ~=! bE! l OlAJ 1-. hE! p o tJ C:! r· 1·. y -1 H v e -1 . I n 1\J f;!IAJ f11" u n s tAri c k , j n L h H s d 111 e y E:! a r· , 1 7 . 6 p u r· c e n L 1~1 e l" ~~ bE" -1 o IAJ i. h (;! p o IJ e r' ~ y :lt:~Vt-'!1. That o:is f:i.I"S 'l.. I.~Jht:~n this I_/. /.00 lJ o -1 X I gOI!Or'nlnonl · ~; 1-.r:u·i:ed 1,.,Jiv1 1: IAJN !; i ·i· i. n l 91l 6? Mr· .

S p e 1:·1 I< EH' , NE!IAJ BJounsJAJtcl< had gonE! dotAJI'l to l 10) • /. p (! r• C l" 1'1 I· .:-1 1'1 rl I~H~ IAJ E! 1'1 1-. I 1 p 1-. 0 21. 2 pr:~r CE!rlt of OUI" p~:!Oplc,~ b~:!lOIAI l:ht:~ pOVlH' l·.y l.r"Vf"l. SOME l-ION. MEMBERS : -Shame:~! Shame!··-·- I'-1R. TULI< : It: is sharnE!ful. MR . Wf::L.I_S: And the government sits here - MR. BAIRD: f.i()---ri(')i':--l:)c;· s o h y p o c r· "i. t .. i c a 1 . 1'-11~. SPEAKER : OrdE!r, plE!ase! I'-1R. WELLS: rTli:=~-·g()v'E!l;; n rn E! n t s :i t: s h E~ I" e a 1'1 cl rn 0 n L h i-\ F i·:nr· 1non 1-.h MR. SPEAKER: 0J"der, plc.;!aSE!! Or·cler, p] c,~as~=!!

I haue been repeatedly caJ.ljng for or· d ('! I" •:'' n d i· h r:! r· e "' r· f" ~; o 1 n l'! h o n . mE"mbE!rs · who jus-\: cont:inue to ·Ln l:er·r 1.1p 1-.. l do no 1-. IAJdnt: l:.o hi:'tvc;! to narnE! them. The hon. the of Oppos"i.l··.:i.on . MR. WELLS: Thank-yoiJ, Mr· . Sp~:!akE!r . I iAii l J. s u m u p , 1'-1 r . S p e a k E! r-· , b y p 0 i. 1'1 l"'i. 1'1 g 0 I I 1:: lA) 1'1 d 1-: 1-. h E~ g 0 V ('!r' 1'1111 ~HI t·. has scdd rnont:h aftE!r rnonth <:~bout: 1 .. ho g I''E:! 1:·1 i'. "i.lllf>I''O V OHI~H1't .i 1'1 0 U r unemployment: rate.

Let me just: I: o ··1 l. y o 1 1 1..11 h a I· , i n f d c 1-.: , h a s hc\ppli:HH:!cl, Ml". SpE:~akN'. w~~ cU"~'! F r·11 -1 ·i n g f I I r· i. h (! l" b (! h i. n cl I. h r:! I" f'! s 1··. 0 F thE! nal-:'.ion. The:1.t is c"' Fact. ln n p r' ·i -1 l g B 7 , o 1 ' r· 1.1 n (! rn fl "I o y 1 nn n 1··. r· i:'l 1:-. e tAl a s 2 . 1 7 t. j rn c;! s 'L h ~~ n d 1.. J o n a 1. 1\Jo . ll.l f~?.200

auer·age. was 2 . 2 '7 auerag~::~. In April this year it times the nat .Lonal It is getting worse. SOME HON . MEMBERS: Si t down! Sit down! Ml~ . SPEAKE!~: Ot"dE:~r 1 pleas c~! M I~ . 1'-10 R G () 1\J : ·---On a po:i.nt of ot"dc·>.r', Mr. SpE:~aket". ~11(. SPFAKFR : A po:i.n t of CH' dt~r, the hon . the Hlr:!llli:HH' f 0 r· ll 0 n i•\l) ·j ~;-1 : i::l. ~·)O II 1. h MR. MORGAN : fJlr' . :3p r,~ ril< (o! r·' i 1: i !) cJctrificatJon from the Cha:i J". for· Are IAJ(:~ tlOIAJ "i.n,)oll.Jt :!d in Uw Thr·ol'lO Spec,1ch dc,1ba·l:E!, the Budgc~t debate I or are we speaking on a petition? Ml~.

TULI< : A pe ·t:i lion, boy . MR. MORGAN: BE~ cause i. f t.•.Je ai"E:1 s p10:1ak'i ng on a pe:~ti tion, -surely the member is out of order·. MR. TULK : No I hE! is not . . I'-1R . I'-101~GMJ: He is not releuant . Mf~. CrlLLAI\J: We a 1" C'l l:. i'l J lei 11 g r..l b o u t:. 1'-1:i.l J t OlJJ n . II.R. SPFAKEr~: ·1 hE!I"C-~ :i.!; no point of or·del" . T h~~ hon . HI<WibiH' h•::1.s i :~boul: l:hir'l:y !>E~conds 1r:~ft . ~11~ ' w F. 1.. 1 .. s : T haue finished what I want to say for· now, Mr·. Sp(~r'1ker·. T r:-1111 addr·essing UH:1 pc;!Ution.

ThE! hon. the;! 1m~1ntHH' for· Rorn:w .. i s l:-.<.·1 ~lo111.:h wa!; out do:ing sornEd:hing elsl;!, pclying L2201 May 20, 19'77 Vol XL no attention to the! pleas of thousands oF NE!IJJfound1Etncler's lAJho are lJJi thou t jobs , Tht s is the subject of the plea of the petition, and that: is tAJhat I tAJi'.lS ~ addt"c~s s"i.ng. rlnd "i.t "is ldr·gc;!J.y LhE• re!sponsib:ility of th:is gouE!rnrnE!nl:, Mt". SpE~<.'\kc;!r', Hncl t.hPy ou l: and play and . cohort and laugh i:'ll'ld joke as pr;!opl.r:! pl ro!n Fot" ·fr:-1"i r·noss. SOMf HON. MEMBERS: Hoar -, ·h<-:1rH'! MR.

PATTERSON: On"' po i. nl of or·dt:!t ' , r"'lr· . ~3poaiuH' . MR. SPEAKFR: Cli"clr=!t", plc:!<.·\S(:!! A po ·i.nl: or ordc:!r', hon. t: h (;! membe r for Plac e nt i a. ~I.J:L __ _P AT T ~.B.§ ON : [F +:.h(:! hon . Lhc'! l...(~c\d(;!J" Ol" l:h<:! Opposition had so much concern for NE:1tJJfoundl.andr::!r's, hE:! J~.Joul.d g:i.VE! back some of that exorbitant Si~l.ary hH has fl.c:1(~c~:!r:l oul:. oF the contributors to the Liberal Pi:tr•l:y. Ho IAJOIJl.d not: be in hE!I" C:1 today except that he was bought l. i. l<f~ 1::1. ~w ll. o c I< .

T h r:d. i s t•J h y y o u are he!re, Run aga:ins t • m10:1 j n the n<,1XI: E:1loci·:"L on and dot~Jn you J.~ri . J.l. go! SOME HON. MEMBERS: HoiH' I l·war'! Ml~. SPEAKER: Or·drH ' I pl (,1HS~:!! There :i.s no point: of order . MR. SIMMS: rJt r· . ~:; p Ehit k o r· . rJtr~ . SPEAI<.ER : ThE! hon . the Pl"E!s:idE!nt of t.hE! Council. . No. lJ.l. 1~2 201

MR. SIMMS : Mr. Sp(:H,J.I<E!r, I IAIOUlcl li.ko to say a feu.1 words wit:h respect to thE! petition, despite the fact lh~l the Leader of thE! Opposition in playing to the galleries, I suspect ther~ is nobody else listening to him. It is right that certainJ.y nobody on this sidE! is ltstening to him. It is absoJ.utely right. Nobody J.istens to him. I can tell him that there arE! members on his own side, who sit close to him and do not listen to him E!i thE!r. So hE! might IAiant to keep his eyes open for that. But all the Leader of the Oppos:ition d:id, Mr.

SpeakE!r, for the las l f.ivl;! m:inu les is pract'iCE! cHId rehears E! his n (,~ x t E! 1 e c t ion carnpa:i.gn speech. T"hr:\"1.: J.s <:<~ll he !Alas doir1g, for fiVE! minutes. We h ~ v o h ~~ <"t r d i l . We h <:<~ 'H~ h ~h~ I" d J L . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hl,~f:ll"! MR. SfMMS: And since the Leader of the Opposition was given a considE!rable amount of lE!E!Way, I suggest, in present:ing the petition - first of a]l, you are not even supposed to debate a petition. The hon. thE! Leader of the Oppos".ition does not even kno1JJ that YE!t. Of coursE!, hE! is only a r·ookie here.

It has beE:~n tiJJE!nty years sincE! hE! has bE!E!n hE!rE!. Mr. Speaker, what we heard from the Leader of th(;! Opposition for thE! last four or five rrd.nutE!S is pr·ecise1y what he has bE!en saying for the last four or five months around Lhe Province, and the r·eacti.on he is getting around the Prov ·inc(;! l:o IAih<:<~t h€~ is sc:1y·:Lng is th~~ sarne re!action hE! is going to gE!t hE!r(,~ :i.n l·:h:is House, l:h(~ Si'\ITI€:! reaction. He continues to twist thE! facts and lO!:i:-llly i.gl'lOI"PS thl:' L2202 May 20, 1988 Vol XL positiVE! things.

For E!XamplE!, I did not hEHH' hi.m HIE!I1 lion th<d: thE! unemp1oyment rate in NE!IAJfoud1and c!nd Labretdoln is at thE! 1oiAIE!St "it: has bE~E!n tn OVE!r fiue~ yr:~ars. HE! • did not m~~nt.::i.on that, but UH•J.t is a fact. He did not ta11< about. t.h(:! drop in unemployment in Ne1.11foundland statisU.cs, bEd.ng thE! largest absolute decline of any province in Canada. He did not give any credit for that. Mr. Spea·k E! r, t E! J. J. ITIE! about: l:.hE! p E' op J E! of Bay d 1 E s poi r . I k n OIJJ as rnu c h about them as thE! hon rnerni:)E!r. I never sold cars to them, but I certainly know about them.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hec:~r, l' l(:~clln! MR. SIMMS : And I tE!ll you anothE!r t.h i ng, M1n . Sp(~i'II<E!r - MR. GILBERT: I .. ---~-1 i:'l V E! (inaudible). SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. SIMMS: -----You have what? Yo~ have what? MR. SPEAKER: Order, ple~ase! MR. SIMMS: Whether the member represented them i.s <..J. matter of opinoion, and I have hE!ard a Jot of . opinions fr•orn the people of Bay d 1 Espoir contrary to hJ.s pos:Lt"ion. ThE!

Leader of the Opposition neglected to mention the fact that emp l oyment ln the construction industry has bE!E!I'l up considE!rabJy, elnployJTI('!I'l l:. in Lh('.! fj.s h~:~ry, E!ITip 10 y ITIE! n t in the f 0 Y' E! S t: Y' .Y haS been up considerabl.y. Employl'llE!nt. i.n the mjning indusl:ry, Mr. Speaker, was up 16-odd per cent No. 41 R2202

over what it was in 1986. The government brought in a private sector employment pi"Ogrilrnme and his critic, I suppose it is his critic, the member over th~1re for the Strait of Belle Isle, y E! s t e r· d a y h ad L h C'! q a ll t o g E:! 1: u p in this HousE! and ·I:E!ar :it apart . He lor·E~ .U: e~parL, Mr. SpeakE!r. l·lc:l should be absolutely ashamed of himself. Evt:H'ybody i.n the Province knows that it is a grE!at programme. EVE!i"ybody knot•.Js we IAIOuld like to have more monE!Y to p 1 1 l t n to t t , b u 1: I t e l. J. y o u , 1: h e nc,1xt l::imr:1 appl.icHl:.ions come i.n from the Strait of BeliE!

Isle, WE! 1Aii11 hclVC,l L:o send thE:!ITI back a copy of your comments in Hansard and say, I am sor·ry, your ot~m rn<:Hnber is not even interested in supporting you on this programme. That programmE! itSE!J.f w:LJ.l crE:latE! 3,000 jobs, Mr. Sp(:laker·. And :if you do not believe any of those figures, listen to what the Confer·enCE! Board of Canada has to say, an independE!nt agency with no axe to grind and no politics to play like the member for Windsor - Buchans. Listen to what the Investment Dealers Association of Canada say, anoU1er independent group.

L:ist:E:ln to IAihat U1e Atlantic Provinces Economic Co u n c i. 1 s a y , M r . S p e r.t !< (;! r . If y o u do · not belir:we us, Mr. SpE!aker, clnd you r.li"t:! slr:-lnl:c:!d i:OIAir'li"ds 1m~ybc:! believtng what the tnl:lrnbE!r fo1" W :i. n d s o r · B u c h an s s <:"1 i d , l .i. s lc:! n t o all those, bE!CaUSE! they have all S cd d , iHH~ h i'1 \) e i'1 1. l. p I' E! d i C 1:'. E~ d , economic growth for Newfoundland a n d · I. a b rt'l d o r h a s b c:H:Hl g o o d "i. n ti'w last. couple of YE!ars and it IAd.J.l continue to be good. Mr.

SpE!akE!r, WE! haVE! a:J.J. the in I:E!n t·.·:i.ons 'in I:'. he l)Jor·ld of taking full c rE!di t for it and pointing out to the people of NE!IAif ou ndl and and Labrador, when thE! timE! COTI'IE!S, L2203 r-1ay 20, 1988 Vol XL and I hope it comes soon, too, because thE!tl WE! wi 11 not have to listen l·:o the hon. rnernbc:qn gE!t. up there and pontificate! in his pJous WCIY. That approach IAICIS !:r:iE!d by the mE! m be r for ME! tli he k and it d :.i. d not: I)Jor·k, mnd I tell you, :it :i.s not go:ing to LAJork for you ed.ther·, Brother. SOME IWN. MEMBERS: HE!ar, hE!ar! Orders of the Day Ml~.

SI!I-1MS : It has been agreed to carry on wil:h motion 5, the Meech Lake DE! batE!, last day adj ourtiE!d by thE! member for Waterford - Kenmount. MR. · SPEAKER: The hon. U1e l'nE!mber for· Wat.:E!rFonJ Kenrnount has thirteen minutes left. T h e h o n . t he rn E:liTI be r for lrJ a t e r f o r d - Kenmount. MR. GULL.AGE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . To cont'i.nue on t~ri.th th(;! ME!E!Ch l .. akE! arnE!tldlTIE!ni:, thE! arnE!ndrnent d~:!aJ:.i.ng IAI i. t h t: h E! II l'l i q U 0~ n ~;!

S S , t: h c:• distinctness of Newfoundland, and to r 0.~ p E~ ''' l: 1.11 h i'l -1· I s "' ·i. cl y ~=! s 1·.: E! r· d ~.~ y , IAJE! a r' E! in Fact d :is tinct , u n :i quE! , d:i.f ·fc~r·cnl:, t:ll'ld c:lny evidE!I'lCe would show that Newfoundland as a PI'OI)i.nCE! t . ~; cc,l;nLai.nly t·.hE:! poor'E'!Sl: onE! :in the nation, IAiith an e•conorny thal: lags behind every other province dramatically on every point.:. Not onl¥ ar'E! we d:lsU.nct, Mr·. SpE!akC'!r, Fro1n i"'l'l E!COnornic st.andpcd.nt, but. tn ITii:'lny other ways as well. Y<,1St.E!rday IAIE1 hE~ard From thE! Pr~~mJer hOLAI he has added t. hE! No .

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Women's Policy Office to the Premier's Office, and lhA who 1 o issue of women's rights and Native f.H::1oplE:1 1 s r·ights coJIIE!S to mind; tho fact that they have asked the Covr:n·nmE!nl of Cani.'ldc•l to hold out for· bE!ttE!r pr·ovtsions :in thE! Constitu t:ion ·for th(dr · mi.nori ti e s, if I rn :l g h t u s E! t h a t IIJ o r d , a n d t h e d:istinctness of J)JOI"nE!n and of the Native peop1es, and the fact that they are not satisfied with the Constitution as it presently is.

Now, we are not just dE!al:ing wJt.h whether or not Meech Lake was a good Accor·d, but, in fact have we :infringed upon the minoritiE!S in Canada, you might even say i n c 1 u d i n g o u r s e 1 v E! s i!l s a 1n-i. nor i t y , because we are very much a rninori ty, giuE!I'l · l::hE:1 po1.~1~1r and clout of Quebec and Ontario? We rE!C~Hllly had an exarnpJ.e of an c\ t lE! m p I: b y El p r o •ri. n c c,1 , SaskatchE!lAJcHl, to enshrine ·the righL-.s or thE! Fi"ench rntnor -i.ly in that province in their l. e g ; s l a U . o n , a n d t h a t IJ.Ii'l s n o l ctcceptecl.

The attempt to have lhC\1: govr:1rn1T1E!I'lt E!nshrtne those d.ghts was not acCE!ptable to the Govr:1rnmr:1nl of Sasl<atchetAJan, and that stand was backE!d up by Pr'E!Jn:i.E:H' Bour·assa of Qt.IE!bE!C. He was quite happy - his own words - to see that the French minor:i.ty in Saskatchewan WE!re not given their proper rights in legislation. So you tJ.Jould tJJonder, Mr. 5peai<E!r, a b o u t t. 11 E• f u t u r"' e a s f a r a s Q u E• b E; c :is concer'nE!d in tr:H'rns of the English nd.nority rE!CeivJng thE!ir rights in Quebec.

It is very unlike!ly that his stand with t:he Jn-.inority s.it.uat ·i.on in SaskatchetAliHl, and which could be a minority situml::ion in rnmny other provinCE!S, l'lE!edless to say, whE!rE! F r E! n c h :i. s a fa c l: or , JnU c h mo i n (~ so t:han in NE!U.Jfound1and, but L2204 May 20, 19B8 Vol. XI.. certainly there are other pr·ov-i.ncos tha l cou,ld hatJ(:1 t:hE!.lr legislation tE!s ·t:e!d in thE! salfiE! way, and you would tJ.Jondr:~r how Premier Bourassa is going to treat the Engl.i.sh minod.Ly "i.n the FuturE!, as ME!E!Ch LakE! and as thE! Cons t:l t:ution i"H'e cha1lE!I'l<J E!d :in i:-:tny way.

I would doubt whether Bourassa is gcdng t:o giVE! equi:~l tr·eatrnl=!nt to the English minority. He rnade a campaign promise, as i:'l. rnatt1:!r of fact, that hE! wouJ.d E! n s u r'E! that bilingual signs would be brought: back in QUE!bec. If you lAlE!re in Quebec city, Montreal, and even out in · the countryside, more! so ail you signs.

Lhi:'l l.: hE! signs. off tJJo u J. d s <::' e IAJO u 1 d be French He made a campaign promise I..1JouJ.d br·i . ng bt:~ck bi.lingual Not..1J we hear he is bacldn~J on 1-:hat:, bclck-:inq oFf and that French shouJ.cl bE! thE! saying domi niYtnt dominant somel :h"i.ng community denyi . ng c ornrnu n:i ty r:: ng 1 i. s h indeed, langut:~g<:!, ~;houlcl bE! on aJ.:l thr::!".ir s :i.gnagE!, thmt the business ts asking for, and hE! i.s it to the business and denying it to the HJ' i. n 0 r i l y , IAl hoi C h :i. S , bad nE!IJ.JS t:o thE! m::i.nor:i.t.y o ·F th(,~ Quebec. English peoplc,1 tJ.Jho l:lvr:1 in Mr.

SpeakE!r, just: to rnclkE! a ciE:!cd 1..11 e h a u e b E! E! n f o r c e d to s r,1 t. l:. l "-~ f o r lE!SS than whc.'lt WE! couJd have gotten. Th(;!rE! :i.s no question i.n most people's thinl<]ng across Canada t:hat: thts doal tAJas struck on t·1E:ech Lake by t.he pr·orrd. E!r' s t:o obtatn concessions for their provinces. I do not think t.liE!r'E! :i.s any doubt ·: about that. So, to br:i.ng ME!E!Ch Lake abou-t t:o gE!t Quebec's final s i gnature on the C 0 1:1 S lit Uti 0 n , thE! p r E!frd E! r• S IAJ (!I" E! off~:!rE!d "' dE:•c:'tl., or' cer· t:. a:i.n1y insisted on a deal.

TimE! lAdJl t:E!1l IAJhat that IAJas :i.n No. '1-l I~ 2 201~

thE! case of NE!Wfoundland. Mr. Speaker, it hardly seems right that we would settle for less than a Constitution that could have addressed women 1 s rights in Canada, could have address~~d Native people 1 s, could have pr·operl.y addr·E~ssed th!'::1 rntnor·.ities, the other culturE!S we hat;e throughout Canada, in particul.Rr the English minority in Quebec and the French minority tn the rest of Canada.

IJIJe could hr:Wf:1 heJ d 01.11.: for· c'l better Constitution, a better solution to thrn problem, rather than having a Meech Lake solution, LAJ h i. c h L~J C:·1 s a p o J. i. t "i. et·1 l. o n E! , I IAI o u 1. d suggest, t~JherE! the prernters askE!d for concessions, or were offered concessions, and we, in this Provinu1, tAlilJ. eve:Hll:lH'Illy S!'::'(;!, no doubt, what those concessions tAIE!re. Bu l: to gE! t the signatur'C:'S of the prE!rniers, sornE!thing had to be giVE!n up. A 1 o t was given up to s e e Meech Lake come about, and only time will tell what concessions were given. Mr.

Speaker·, we feE!l that a strong C(-?.ntral government .is thE:1 answer. More and morE! ' we arE! hear~ing cries of, LE!t us put pOL~Jer in the hands of the provinces. Well, that: sounds IAJonder··Ful .i.n theory, Mr. SpE!aker·, but it is not a grec:~L, tAJondE!rFul d~:!al. For· r.t Ptnovince like NE!tAJfoundland. Whrlt tAle IAic:tnt is a fair· sharE! of the nfll:"Londl pi.o. NotAl, IAJO S(H!

Qu~~bE:1C and Ontario pt~eclominant in Cani.'ldd, pr'("!doml.ne~nt i.h the nurnb<~rs of SE!ats fed~~rally, badly outnumbering us, possibly holding up any SE!ttlelliE!rtt of the Senate s ·-L t. u Rl: .ion , an cl c E! r· t C:·1 J. n 1 y cl o tn in c'1 n l: as far· as the economy is conCE!rnE:~d and dicLat"i.ng how rich or how poor Pr·ovinCE!S sud1 as Newfoundland can become. L2205 May 20, 1988 Vol XL We are a destination point for their products.

And L•.JE! f:ind, 110 matter what we try to do in a Province like Newfoundland, an Island, isolated from tltE! mainland, isolated frorn our markets, trying to develop s (,1 con dar· y :i n clu s t I" y H 1::! ave n k 11 OIAJS IAJ e h a v E! t r· :i E! d . WE! a r e t r y i n g :i l: ~gdin now with this ridiculous Sprung situation, but IAJE! cH'E! going L o be C\ l: 1.: l'! m p l: J. n g t. o rn d r k ~=· L products on the rna:inlancl aga:i.ns l: s i. rrr i. l. i'U~ c o rn p c:l ,.,. i. (~ s 1 •.J h t c h c:H' ~=! c 1. o s E! r l:o thE!

ITicH'kE~ t. ~') 0 IAJ e h r:\ lJ e i.T :i E! cl I M r . ~) p E! a hH' , l: 0 compete against the provinces of 0 n t C\ r· i. o a n d Q u E! b c,1 c , p r·· e cl u rn :i. n a n L l y those two provinces, by way of developing seconciRry industry . The best we have ever been able to do is develop industry and businE!SS to support out~ own fJE•oplE! and supply our· OIAll'l ~HwplE!. Maybe that is alJ. we can E!VE!r r.d:tE•rnpt, exCE!pt for c!e:1vc,,lop:i.ng our pr·trnary industries.

To try l:o cornpEd:.E! wiLh the mcdnland :is 1itt:.n·aJ.ly ridiculous, when you considE!r' -that. the markets are right there in Ontario and Quebec and we are hoping to ship goods out of hc~rE! and compete with them. Mr.

SpE!akE!r, WE! do 11(:!ed a l>'l:t"ong centr·,~l gov~H·nrne:1nt Lo C'!nsur·~:! that t~JE! arE! given our fa:i.r sharE!, that equalizRtion payments are continued and not reduced until we d 1~ '~ b In o u g h t u p l:. o t h o n a L i o n a l aVE!rage t.uith l:h(;1 E!Conorny, and IAJE! arc d long, long WdY from that now. t"'1r· . ::>p<~r:·1kf~;~, in clos:i.ng, I lAJould just like to say that we are, indeod, uni.que. I think the arnE!ndment is VE!ry much in ordE!r. It. rna 1J sound as i. F i l·. is o 1.1 t of or·dE!r', that WE! should noL be say ·.ing t:hr:1l NetAJfoundland is a dis t :l n c t soc :i.E! t y .

But we arE! not: de:~a1ing tAli l:h fE!(;!l:ings .i.n this No. 41 R220S

rnal t.er, IAJe i.H'<:1 dealing tAli lh the~ facts. The fact ts, M1~. Speaker, that no group is cJ -i.sti . nct in Canada in l~coH:ll'ity, not just us, or· l:hr:1 oppos:lte::1 ts, L:hc:~ l IAJO ar·o i.·\J.J. distinct. So we only have two choJcc;!s: Wc:1 c,1:i.lh<:1r· hi.·\VC'! to say that nobody is distinct or that we are all dtstincl .

As long as Quebec has been given a distinct status, t.o~Jhich is unfair to the rest of Canada, then I think an arne1ndrnent is in orde1r to say l:hat if orll':1 province is going to have distinct status, then alJ. other provinces should have distinct status, and the start of that "i.s the i.UOE!nd111<:1nt t•J~dch says, in fact , that we are a d :l s t :L n c t society. Thank you, Mr. SpE:1ab:1r. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, l·teal~! MR. ~)PEAI<ER : rhe hon. t:he IJIOITI~H!!r for Pot"t de~ Gl"aVe . MR. FFFORD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . SOME l-ION. MEMBERS: Hear, he<:H'! MR. EFFORD: ·----··-----Ml".

Speake1r, as a rne1rnbE1r of this h on . H o us Co1 :i t g .i v (~ s 1110 g r· E:1 r.1 t pleasure to be able to speak for a FeiAI rninuti':1S on the atnendrne:1nt put forth by my colJ.eague for St. Barbe, 1 the recognition that Newfoundland and Labrador constitute within Canada a distinct society. 1 Mr. Spe1akE1r, if any pr·ovinCE! tn Canada deserves to be recognized as a distinct society, Newfoundland and Labrador certainly stands out .in that field, a t.•.Jay out, I sugg(~Sl, Mt'. Spcc~aker·, from any othE1r prov'.inCE!. L2206 Mi.·\ y 20 I 190 8 Vol XI. What posttion t.s Newfoundland in today?

What are the advantages c~nd IAihB{: di"t::1 tht:! d-.i.setdvanLi'\gi::!S? What is unique to NE!IAJfoundlancl Lhat 1.~; nol un.iqu~~ t:o r:-~ny othc;1r - provinCE! in Canada? AJ1 t.o~IP havE• to do f:i.rst, rJJr. SpN:\kE!l", .is ]ook at the fclct that IAJE! arE! an IslRnd. Newfoundland is an Island. It is SE!paratE!d fr·orn thE! tnainliHtd of Candela. Autornatical]y, Mr. Speaker, t:llc.~t pub; us ala d:i.sadvantaqe. The pop u 1 at i on of UtE! Pro v :i. n-c E! c1 f NetAJfoundland, outside of Labt"ador, are aJ.ready at a disadvantr.lgE! because they live on an Island. That is a fact, Mr. Speaker.

We heard the Minister of Rural, Agricultural and Northern Development talking about Sprung t h .is IAJ(~ e k , d n d l: hE! Co1 x p or L: J. n q oF cucumbe1rs to the Prov:inCE! of Nova Scot·i.a. l'l: hds b~1Hn po i.n l·:.~ :!d ou l:: VE!ry C}E!arly that bE!Cat.ISE! IAH!! iH'E! an Island, freight costs are a grE1at disadvantage;! in l::he o x p o r l :i. n g of g o o d s . ~~ e l·t a v 1::1 l.: h E! problem of transporting goods by 1.: r u c k or· carr i. or , t.•J h 1 c h i:~ l s o has to bE! then transportE!d acr·oss l::he g u l f l: o 1\J o r 1: h -s y d n t~ y f r om P o r l:: a u x Basques by boat.

It is VE1ry ex p c~ n s i. v e:1 t~.Ja y , and {: h a l:: J n :i. t s c;1 J. f Js c\ proble1m. What o UtE:1r t.o~Jay s, Mr·. ~)pE:H'.ll< 1::1 r, i:H'E! WE! d :l s t i. n c t? Very c J. E! a r 1 y then! are a number of areas where we are very dj.stinct. This 1./JE!Ed< I had the opportunity of reading a report from the National WeJfa0e Council of" Canada, a repor't: ()n ·l::hE! people of this Province and the situation in which they are J.j ving. TIAJenty- ·thrE!E! pE!r C(!!nt of l::he Farntlles of l::he Province of Newfoundland and Lahrador are 1ilJing :i.n poVE!r·ty.

Thir·t.y·- ·four pe1r cont of thE! childtnE!rt of l:h:Ls Provlnce are lluing in pover~y . We have the:1 hjghe1st pE!J"cenl:agE! of 1\Jo. 11.1. R2206

single people living in this Province of all the pr·ov:Lnces of Canada Jiving in poverty. If that cl o e s no t rna I< e us d J s tin c t , M r· . Spe!aker, I ask you possibly what could make us distinct from any other province in Canada. AN HON. MEMBER : (Inauch .ble). MR. EFFORD: That is a fact, Mr . Speaker. AN HON. MFMBER: You said they were facts . MR. EFFOfW: Mr . Spe:~akor·, T tAJoulcJ ·ask for p r· o ·1·. 0. c 1: i. on of 1". h (;! C h a i. r· IA!h :::! n T a rn spNlldng . Wii:~ have:~ <.~ gen tle:Hnan who seoms Lo l.i.k(:! Lo J.isl:.E:!n t.o himsC:~J.f.

I sugge:~st, if he IAJants l:o l .. i.sLE~n to lri. msol.f, go look i.n a mirror and talk to yourself. MR. DINN: I would not break lt anyway . MR. EFFORD: Mr. SpeakE!r, it is very clear that the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador is distinct in rnany, rnany ways frorn any other Province of Canada. One of the areas in which most famillar with and I great deal of interest is f i s h E! r :i (;! s o f t h t s P r· o IJ ·i. n c "'~ . ha v (,~, fr·om ti. TnE:1 to U .rnE! sat in this House of AssembJ.y, listened to the Mini s ter F.i.shl;!r·ie~; (Ml".

R-Ldooui:) c:~nd · l lis t ened to the Premier of I am have:~ thE! T. dOIJ.Jn dnd of h ,:•l I)(~ this Pr'oiJ-i.ncc:! and ;:.,JJ. l:.hc~ rni.nisi:.oJ"s on the other side get up and talk t:~boul':. l::h(,1 f"LshOl"Y -i. n th.is Pl"ov·.inCE! . . The Pl"E!rn'ie:~r hjmse:1J.f has Lr'.iE:!d l::o , ... ,r·ap ht1nsolr: i.n l:.h<:! flc:·lg and tell us that hE! i!; dE!I-E!nding i.·l n d h ~=! .i s s u p p o r· t. ·j n g l:. he f ".i. s hE! 1" m (,1 n of this Province.

L2207 May 20, 1988 Vol XL But if you would go around any fishing village, any fishoing cornrnurdty around thE! coast of NeiJJfoundldnd and Labr·ador and ask any fisherrnan~ do not. ask 1:hEnn ~ whc:!\l thE:1ir politics cH'E!, but i:'l.sk any fi.sherrnan or anybody connE!Cl:E!cl liJj. th tht:! f'ishoing fdm :i.J.·.iE!S of this Province and ask thern wha t they thoink, IA.IhRt. thE! 'i. r· opinJ.on :Ls abou L the 1.\Jay thE!Y are bej ng LrE!atE!d by t.hE! provincJ.cll govE'!I"I'liTIE!nl: oF thois Province and the federal gOIJ(;!r'niJlenL i.n Cr.ln<:\cli:\ IJ.Jh~:!n it. coiTlE!S to their r :ights of thE! fishE!I"rnE•n dnd i:hn prol ".(;!cL.ion l:h."'l t.he deSE!rUE!?

Mr. SpeakE!r, thE!rE! :.i.s not: one f'i.sher·1n<.~n !:'.halT hc:-~~JE~ !>pokE!n t:o, not onJy in thE! commuJT.ity and the d:i.str i. ct t.hdi. l r'l'::'pr'E!Senl.:, but :in many, rnany other cornrnunities <.·lr·ound l::hi.s Pr·ov:i.nC(c1, not: one:• Fisherman in this Province would s upport:: Ult'~ Pr· e rrrl<:~r· in any way on thE! issues he has been t:rying to put for·Lh be:~cause:~ hf.:1 :is t.c::tking an attitude tOIJ.Jards the fj shE!rrrlE!n of th.is Province that not even the Premier of Ontario, who has no c o n n e c t :i o n , o r t:: h e P r· r:Hn i E! r· of a n y Province in Canada, would take.

It .is not eve:Hl close to the posi tJ.on the PrE!ITiiE!r' and tilE! Minister of Fisheries (Mr. RidE!OUt) has takE!n IAJhE!rE! thE!Y have taken a position and fell back. M r· . ~) p o ;:' I< e r· , i'l IH! I" y c l. (~ cH' , p r :i 111 o exarnple of the attitude and the prol':oction Lho fishermen of Lhis Province of NewfoundJ.and and I . r:~ b r· a cl CH' d I" C:! r· ('! c (,~ 'i. v j_ n q F r' o 1t1 l:. h e government when we saw yesterday r:·ll'ld c'll.-1 l:.he l.i:·lsi·. COUplE'! or IAJE:!eks i l'l t h i. S H 0 U S E! 0 f A s S E! rn b l y IA.I h E! n :i. t comes l.:o t.he Fr·r:·lnce Canadt.'l issue .

ThE! pE!Ople on thE! SouthuJos L Coast of Lhois Pr·ov ~LnC<"! has be ("!n l::r ~;! ated, not likE! NewfoundlandE!rS, not J.j.b:! No. 41 R22'0'7

Canadians, they are tre!ated like bE:1"'i.ngs lAJho ar·E:1 non .. -ex-·i.s ·I:I01nt, lAJit.h no respE!Ct, Lilith no conce!rns for t h 1':1 i. 1~ p r' e s E~ n L , l: h c:1 ·i. r' p <.'l s t o ,~ t h e .i. ,~ future, absolutely no concern IAJ h a t. s o (:1 v e ,~ . L'\1 e h c:'IIJ e r:'l c o u n L: r y , FrclnCE! Fr'ance :is concerne!d I a 111 no ·1'. go i. n g l: o d t: 1:. H c k F ;" c:u1 c o f o ;~ LIJhat 'LhE:1Y i'.ll"e tl"ying t~o do. They i:;t r e t: r' y .. i n g t o p i" o t. t:! c 1: t h e .. i r' o IAJn pt=:wplc~!.

They ai"E! tr'ying, whethE!I" it be right or wrong, to ga i n access to fishing grounds and more fish in th"'i.s Province. MR. DINN: Your le~ader wants to gj.ve! tt to them. MR. EFFORD : ThE!Y ar'e ftghttng for thE! pE!OpJ.e of France. They are fighting for the peop] E! of St. PierrE! and · M:iquelon, and they iH'E~ t•.d.J.l"i.ng to do it at aJ.l costs. We have a Premier and a government wi'HH'I':1 ont=:1 day ti'H~Y rnal<e up t.hl':1"i.l" mind to cancel a project wi tl1 France, iHld on l.:hE:1 second d<.·\Y thoy decide not to cancel.

How CiHl l.:he pGopl r~ of UlJs Provi1·1c(~! have any confidEHICE! w hi:\ l·~ ~; o E! t; e;! r 'i. n a q o v e Y' n m c:! n t who i . s not. lAriJ.J.:ing to sLiHld up and say, 1 wE~ <:\ r E! g o ·i. n g to f i. g h L f o i" y o 1 1 .

We al"t~ going to, at cll1 cosl:s, LIJe ar'E! go·ing to r'E!PI"(;!SE'!nl:. you, tAJC:1 c'lrc,1 going to fight, WE! arE! going to rH:!go tiatE:1, t.~H:! are go"i.ng to put Forward our case and we are not go'ing to back do,J.Jrl. 1 LnJh~:!n a government starts to back down, they start to weaken and when they show signs of weakening at an negotiating tabl.e or over a disputE!, thE! otl'lE!r' country t~hen, automatically gains an advantage thcll: they dj d not haVE! on the pr'(;!vious clay.

The'!I''E:1 :i.s nobody on this s'icl(:! of I. 2208 May 20, 1988 Uol XL the House who even suggests that we Ci'ln Ci'll'lC(~l. the;! contr'acts that the federal government has put out 1·. o F 1~ cl n c: o b 1.1 L: , tAJC~ can a~; k thE:! 111, as we dtd :in the resolution put Forth b y a ll. m r.:! 111 b o J" s of i:: h i s 1·1 o u ~; E:! , IAI E! can ask them to cancel the c:ontrr'\C: L.

Wn ci.'ln pu l:. pi"C:~S SUI"(:! on and lAJe can suggest l~o thE!Ill, but~ hotAJ C('tn t~Jo do it tAJh(~n thjs HousE• canceJ.led the contract, toJ.d the pc;!opJ.o t:hE!Y t.~JE!Y'C:! go"i.ng t.:o canc\~l the contract, and the very next day t•.H;!nt. back on thec!i.r' t.•.JOr'd and said, 1 No, JAJ(~ arE! not go:i n~J to Ci.HlCE~l th(~ contr·dct.. 1 HotAJ can l!Je then ask the fE!deral GoVE!r'nrnE!nt. of Canada, or dE:1rnand l:h(;! f1:!d1:H'al Go v E! r nmE! n t of Canada LIJh E! n LIJE! ta k E• the flip-flop position that we take hE!re in this Pl"ovtncc;!?

We are going to have absolutely no cred"'i.bility with the people of this ProvinCE! and wr::! iH'E! CE!rtc.,d.n1y not go:i.ng to hc.·\Vr:~ any ci~E!d·ibJ.Iil::y with the federal Government of Canada or tho Opposit.:ton

part i es :in Canada. How can wr::! haVE! any cr'odi .bi.l.ity lAJhon l:hC:1':J cannot eVE!n depend on our word? We cannot C:! tJ e n s t i:'t n d 1.1 p a n d f :i. g h i:: f o r 1:: h E! p (,w p 1. e of ·I: h i. s P r' o u J n c E! .

I cl o n o 1.: L h -i. n k a n y bod y c o n n r:=! c t E! d with those contractors in this Pr'ovi .ncr:! lAJOI.Il.d be;! sa t"i. sf i Hd t.o gain a ITIE!rE! $700,000 contr'act, thE! f E~ IAJ d o 11. a r' s p r· o f i t t h c;! y a r· r::! g c:r-.i n g to gaJ.n frorn that, tAJhE!n thE!':/ can r'E!COgn J. ze t.hr::1 v<·\sl: hundr'(~cls of thousands and rn:U.Jions of doLlars that the fishermen of this Province are going to Jose. Do not t E!] ] rnE! that tAlE! , as Nm•JfoundlandE!Y'S, becauSE! l;..J(:1 are not in the fishing industry or bC::1Cal.ISE'!

I.•J(;! ar'E:1 J.n l:hc;! lAJOY'k for'CI:;!, do not telJ. me that we are not u n .i. l.: E! d t o g E! t: h E:! r' r=- o r· t. h E:' o n E:! c a u s e , the bE!St thjng for all peopJ~:! of l:.h i. s Pr'ov:inCE!. No. 41 R2208

The fishermen of thls Province will stand up for the working class and the working class and the business pE!OplE ! will stand up for the fishermen, becausE:~ IAJe all gain from the one thjng, we all gain a profit. I am sure business people, professional people, laborers, carpenters, tradesmen, fishermE!n, eVE!rybody in tl'ds Prov-.ince ar<,~ still shocked at. the announcement by the Minister of Development, the Minister of Fisheries, and the PremiE!r of this Province when they rescinded on H1e r·esolution Lhat thE!Y put Forth aft<;! r· d una n .i. rna us d c~ c i. s Jon by d J.l. members of this House.

To go back and Sdy, 'No, lAW cc:~nnot no IAJ d o t: h i.-l 1.: , ' E:! tJ o r· y b o cl y b c~ c o 1 n c~ s confused because when that decoi.~> ion t•Jas JrkH~o Jn Cdb'i.l'wl:, ""i. L uJc:~s quite clc~~r.tr to E!VEH'ybody the~t t•JhE:!I'l l.:huy lllddc,~ l:hc:! cloc ·"L s "i.on to cancc,~l the contract, they knE:'IJJ the amount of doJ.l.;:u· s . l"ho y hHd Lo knoLJJ thE! aruoun t: of dolJ.ar·s that IJJE:H'c,~ involved with thE~ compardE:~s. They had to know the number of companies that were invoJ.ved in this contract.

It is no good to say IAJe ·have to .. gi~Je tht::~m bc:1ck th<'! contract because j t :is affecting NE!IJJf ou ndl and e r s . When they made the original decision, they had to have known. A CabinE!t cannot mdkC'! a decJs-Lon IAJithout knowing thE! a111ount of lrl<HH:! y t h a t -L S i. 1'1 V 0 1. V (: ~ cf , I~.J"i. l: h 0 l.l l ki'IOIAring the pE!OpJ.e who arE! .1. n v o l v ('! d .

I t 1. s a c l e ;u· c u t c a s e of t .he Cabin<,~t not knouring IJJhat 1.: h e y a I" <~ cl o i. n g , o r· -;, n i ... o n t .l o n a ll y rui. sJ"<,~presE!nting thE! pE!Op1E! of this P r· o v .i. n c (:) i'l n d 1Wi. s 1. r~ a cl i. n g t he govr:~1"nn1c,~nt of Canadr..1 abouL thE:~:ir · c r· f:'! cl .i. b 'i. l i. I: y r:1 f I: E:! i" l: h e y IAJ e l" o s<-:!r·:ious about cancE!lling Lht::' c o n l: r· a c L . A l: t h c~ s ;:~ 111 C'! 1.: t 111 o , Uw y dEHnand ('!d the Mini s t <~! r· of Ex ti.'H'nal AffHi .rs cance~ ~l.l. conLrctcts, L2209 May 20, 1988 VoJ.

XL AirBus, major r·c,~lat:ions FrancE!. l:h<;! subrni'li"Jnc,~s and all. contracts and trade IAJith the coun t:ry of It is bE!yond rrlE! how a Cab:i.net : , Ol" ho1.1.J a Pr·r::!lnier, Ol" hot.l.l a Mtnist('r of this government could expect anybody