Ontario Hansard — 5 April 1997 (36th Parliament, 1st Session)

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April 5, 1997

36th Parliament, 1st Session

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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

Report continued from volume H.

House in committee of the whole.

CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

Continuing consideration of Bill 103,

An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.

Le Président (M. Gilles E. Morin) : Nous allons maintenant procéder à la lecture des amendements. We will now proceed with the reading of the amendments.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carslake Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carslake Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing has been held and the minister has considered all oral submissions made at the hearing.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Interjections.

The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): Order.

Mr James J. Bradley (St Catharines): Put that call in to Tom Long.

Mr Joseph Cordiano (Lawrence): No, why stop with him? Put it in to Conrad. Let's go all the way.

The Chair: Order, the member for Lawrence.

Hon Noble Villeneuve (Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, minister responsible for francophone affairs): We'll phone David Peterson.

The Chair: The member from Stormont, Dundas and East Grenville.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:"

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carson Lake living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carson Lake living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carson Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carson Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Mr Gilles Bisson (Cochrane South): On a point of order, Mr Chair --

The Chair: On the amendment.

Mr Bisson: On the amendment. I note across the way that the member for Etobicoke -- I was in his riding tonight, by the way, to the good people up in his riding -- says that we are wasting taxpayer dollars --

The Chair: No, that's not a point of order. Take your seat, please.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:"

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carswell Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carswell Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carthage Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carthage Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cartier Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cartier Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cartwheel Mill Way living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cartwheel Mill Way living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cartwheel Millway living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cartwheel Millway living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cartwright Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cartwright Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carus Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carus Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Carysfort Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Carysfort Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cascaden Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cascaden Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

The Acting Chair (Doug Galt): NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Casebridge Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Casebridge Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cashman Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cashman Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Casimir Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Casimir Steet living in the urban area.'"

Mr Bisson: A point of order. I know you're trying to go quickly through that amendment and I appreciate your due diligence for the job, but in the second paragraph for "Despite subsection (1), no regulation" and you read "may affect the residents." You forgot the word between "regulation" and "may" and I would like to have that word read into the record.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. We'll take it under advisement.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Casimir Steet living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and the vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Casino Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Casino Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cass Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cass Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cassander living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cassander living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and the vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cassandra Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cassandra Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and the vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cassandra Boulevard'" --

Is that not a repeat? What was the previous one? I was reading "Bl" as "boulevard." May we have clarification on the difference of these two amendments? Does "Bl" stand for "boulevard" or what did the "Bl" stand for in the amendment we just read?

Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-Woodbine): Mr Chair, I'll answer the question in a serious way. Something came to mind which I probably shouldn't say. This next amendment, the one that you just have before you with Blvd, we will withdraw.

The Acting Chair: So the first one would have been Boulevard, the same as this.

Ms Lankin: They're both Boulevard, yes.

The Acting Chair: Thank you. My understanding is that they're withdrawing the one that says "Blvd" and we're keeping the one that says "Bl," recognizing it as Boulevard.

Mr John R. Baird (Nepean): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I would just ask, if it's not too much, that the New Democratic Party members who are presenting these motions, who are costing the taxpayers $10,000 an hour, if they can ensure there is no duplication because the taxpayers can't afford --

The Acting Chair: Sorry, that's not a point of order. Thank you, the member for Nepean.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Speaker: I want to respond to the point of order that was just raised and point out that the bill that is before us --

The Acting Chair: It was declared not a point of order. Please be seated. Order.

Mr Mario Sergio (Yorkview): On a point of order, Mr Chair: I believe that anyone who wants to talk back and forth or heckle, whatever, has to be in their own seat.

The Acting Chair: That's not a point of order. I ruled on this one as not a point of order, therefore you did not have one.

Mr Sergio: Mr Chair, heckling has to be in their own seat, I believe. That's quite proper.

The Acting Chair: Heckling is always out of order. Please take your seat.

We have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cassels Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cassels Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cassidy Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cassidy Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. We have enough up so the vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cassis Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cassis Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have another NDP motion.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castille Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castille Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

I have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castle Frank Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castle Frank Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have another motion from the NDP:

Mr Baird: No.

The Acting Chair: Yes.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castle Frank Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castle Frank Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have another motion, an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castle Green Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castle Green Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." I believe the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have another motion that's an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castle Hill Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castle Hill Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Should the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." The nays have it, in my opinion, and the motion shall be deferred.

We have another motion, an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castle Knock Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castle Knock Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have another motion, it's an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlebar Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlebar Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I believe we do not have a quorum.

The Acting Chair: I would call on the Clerk to check for a quorum.

Clerk at the Table (Ms Lisa Freedman): A quorum is not present, Chair.

The Acting Chair ordered the bells rung.

Clerk at the Table: A quorum, is now present, Chair.

The Acting Chair: We have an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection -- "

Mr Baird: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I have a question. When we are voting on a motion, you would require a mover and a seconder, and given there's only one NDP member here, given they've put all these motions, only one NDP member here, do they have to have two members here at least?

The Acting Chair: In response to the point of order, all amendments have been deemed to be moved and seconded.

Do you have a point of order?

Mr Wayne Wettlaufer (Kitchener): Yes. I noted that these are NDP amendments, and there's only one NDP that cares enough about it.

The Acting Chair: That's not a point of order.

Mr Bisson: Mr Chair, on a point of personal privilege: As the member for Cochrane South I do care, and I can assure you that every other member of the New Democratic caucus cares. On my point, I've got to say that this document has been going around the House, something you should know about, called Adopt an MPP program. A number of people are signing up forms saying they don't want the Tory MPPs and they want to adopt us.

The Acting Chair: It's out of order. Please be seated.

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlebury Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlebury Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castledene Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castledene Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

We have an NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlefield Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlefield Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlegate Place living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlegate Place living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall this motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote for the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlegrove Boulevard living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlegrove Boulevard living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlemere Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlemere Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

Another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castleton Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castleton Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

We have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castleview Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castleview Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

Mr Rick Bartolucci (Sudbury): Who had it?

The Acting Chair: The nays.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castlewood Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castlewood Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Castor Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Castor Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

We have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Caswell Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Caswell Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Catalina Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Catalina Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more persons requested a public hearing within 30 days after the notice was given, a public hearing -- '"

Mr Wettlaufer: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: The member for Welland-Thorold is communicating with the strangers.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. Would the member for Welland-Thorold please be seated.

Mr Baird: The people in the gallery are communicating with the strange one.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, seriously: I can guarantee you, these people are not strangers. They are people who are standing up for democracy in the city of Toronto and the province of Ontario. They are not strangers to democracy, Mr Speaker.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated.

I wonder if security in the gallery could look after the people in the gallery and make sure there's no communication with the members in the House. Thank you very much.

Mr Peter Kormos (Welland-Thorold): They weren't communicating with me. They are members of the public and have every right to communicate.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated. Would the member for Welland-Thorold please be seated. You're out of order. Please be seated. Thank you.

Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Chair.

The Acting Chair: The Chair recognizes the member for Welland-Thorold.

Mr Kormos: Chair, I have consulted authorities, I have consulted people who have had long experience in this House, and I call upon the Chair to cite a rule that prohibits -- I understand people in the galleries cannot communicate, cannot speak or demonstrate, but I ask the Chair to provide me with the rule that prohibits members on the floor from speaking to any member of the public.

The Acting Chair: You're out of order. Please be seated.

Mr Kormos: Point of order.

The Acting Chair: You haven't sat down yet, so you don't have a point of order. We recognize the member from Welland-Thorold. Is this a different point of order?

Mr Kormos: Chair, I call upon the Chair to give me direction as to the authority that prohibits me from addressing the public.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated and we will confer. In responding to your point of order it is precedent and practice that dictates you do not communicate with people in the gallery. Thank you very much.

Mr Kormos: Chair.

The Acting Chair: Are you asking for another point of order?

Mr Kormos: Yes sir.

The Acting Chair: Is this a different point of order?

Mr Kormos: Yes sir. In the future I'll merely speak to the fourth wall.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated.

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Catalina Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cataraqui Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cataraqui Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Catering Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Catering Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I don't believe there's a quorum present.

The Acting Chair: Would the clerk please check if there is a quorum present.

Clerk at the Table: A quorum is not present, Chair.

The Acting Chair ordered the bells rung.

Clerk at the Table: A quorum is now present, Chair.

The Acting Chair: Thank you. The member for Nepean on a point of order.

Mr Baird: Mr Chair, we have no NDP members in the House and we have only two Liberal members. We're not allowed to operate with only two members of the opposition. There is not one NDP member in their seat, not one NDP member in their place. It's a disgrace, Mr Chair.

Mr Derwyn Shea (High Park-Swansea): On a point of order, Mr Chair: Several Chairs have made rulings over the past few days about the display of signs and literature, and I know that my distinguished colleague from Beaches-Woodbine would want us to live with that ruling. I know the boxes on her desk prevent us from seeing her. Perhaps -- she has now, and I appreciate that. Thank you, Chair.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I just wanted to thank the honourable member for the point of order, which did prove that the member for Nepean is wrong and there is a New Democrat in the House.

Mr Bisson: On a very serious point of order, Mr Chair: You know that the standing orders are very clear about members saying that other members are not in the House, and the member was out of order when he raised what he thought was a point of order, which you ruled on. He's out of order, and you should have told him that.

The Acting Chair: On the same point? The member for Nepean.

Mr Baird: My colleague the member for Cochrane South has been here one term longer than I have, five years longer. I respect his judgement. I apologize. I will never again mention the fact that there were no New Democrats here a few minutes ago, and only two Liberals.

Ms Lankin: Point of order.

The Acting Chair: Is this a different point of order?

Ms Lankin: Yes. The member continues to put forward incorrect information. I was standing right at the end of the rump benches of the Tory caucus. I'm sorry he didn't turn and look in that direction; however, I was present watching him put forward the point of order. I would ask him yet again please to make sure he's correct when he's making --

The Acting Chair: That is not a point of order. Please be seated.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: You know that the first rules by which we are governed are the standing orders. The second ones followed are the precedents. Following that are Beauchesne and Erskine May.

The Acting Chair: Your point of order?

Mr Bisson: We know that in that, if you follow it all the way through, what the member across the way is doing is completely out of order as he fairly well knows that first of all, there were New Democrats present in the chamber when a quorum was being called, but more to the point -- I'm coming to the point -- it is the responsibility of the government to maintain a quorum in the House, and when 20 Conservatives can't stand in here, it goes to show that they really do not know how to run the House and are allowing this whole system to fail because they don't know what to do around this place.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated. The member for Nepean has withdrawn and that's fair.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

I have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Catford Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Catford Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.'"

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'm following very closely your reading of the amendment, and I want to make sure if you had said Charles Street, because if you did, Elizabeth McLean who is from Charles Street is here today in the chamber and she wants to make sure that her street is read. Are we on that amendment, by any chance?

The Acting Chair: No, we're not.

Mr Bisson: But when we are, we'll make sure the right --

The Acting Chair: Just to clarify, the word is Catford Road.

Mr Bisson: Oh, I understood Charles.

The Acting Chair: No, definitely not.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall this motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation -- '"

Mrs Helen Johns (Huron): On a point of order, your honour: I ask for unanimous consent to dispense with all the ones up to Charles, and we'll go for this woman's street name.

The Acting Chair: All in favour? No.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I believe you were referred to as your honour. The last time I checked you are Chair of the committee of the whole, and I would want to make sure that the record shows that you are the Chair and not the judge.

The Acting Chair: If I called you your honour, my apologies.

Mr Bisson: No, no. You were called your honour.

Ms Lankin: Point of order, Mr Chair: I hope you took no offence at my colleague's point of order there. We truly do think of you as a very honourable man -- if not "your honour," at least honourable.

The Acting Chair: "`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cathcart Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

We have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cathedral Bluffs Drive living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cathedral Bluffs Drive living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'm wondering if you could give me direction with respect to this. I have received this form which is headed Adopt an MPP, and it is dated and signed by Arthur Lofsky who has in fact requested to adopt me as his MPP because he believes his MPP is no longer representing him. Do I have rights to represent Mr Lofsky at his request?

The Acting Chair: No, that's not a point of order. Please be seated.

Interjections.

The Acting Chair: Order, please. I can't hear myself reading this.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cather Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cather Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: If you look at Beauchesne's Rules and Forms on page 11, when we're talking about Parliament and the rights of members, it says, "parliamentary privilege is the sum of the peculiar rights enjoyed by each House collectively as a constituent part of the high court of Parliament, and by members of each House individually, without which they could not discharge their functions and which exceed those possessed by other bodies or individuals." And this is the point: "Thus, privilege, though part of the law of the land, is to a certain extent" to make sure that members have rights and an ability to do their job when it comes to the constituencies and the rights here in the Legislature.

I distinctly heard the member for Kitchener say to the member for Beaches-Woodbine that she had no rights as a member. I think that's indicative of what this government is saying, that only they can say what needs to be done to the people of Ontario to govern.

The Acting Chair: That's not a point of order. Please be seated. That's not a point of order.

Mr Bisson: A point of privilege.

The Acting Chair: You did not have a point of privilege. Please be seated.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Catherwood Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Catherwood Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cathlo Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cathlo Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.'"

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cathy Jean Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cathy Jean Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall this motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on the motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section -- '"

Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: Here we are at 2:30 in the morning; in effect, it's Saturday morning. The members' galleries, I trust, are open so that people in Toronto who are inclined can come down to Queen's Park and watch this charade of Tories trying to ram through an unpopular and --

The Acting Chair: You'll only be named once more. Please be seated. If you don't sit down, you'll be named again. Thank you.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Caulfield Road living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Caulfield Road living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall this motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on this motion shall be deferred.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I know you're trying to expedite this but I would ask you just to try to find a happy medium here. I am trying to follow along and ensure that you are covering all areas, and you're reading at a pace that is just a touch too fast to understand clearly, particularly with the noise that's in the chamber at this time.

Mr Wettlaufer: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I find it odd that one member of the Legislature can't keep up when the rest of us can.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. I appreciate your comment.

Ms Lankin: Was that a point of order?

The Acting Chair: No, it wasn't a point of order.

Please be seated.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cavehill Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cavehill Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." All those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on this motion shall be deferred.

Mr Gerard Kennedy (York South): On a point of order, Mr Chairman: In the spirit of non-partisanship, to the earlier point raised by the member for Beaches-Woodbine, we refer to the earlier comments by the member from London, referring to the filibuster by Mr Harris saying that he was going too fast to slow down, so we know it's an all-party understanding that the amendments should be enunciated clearly.

The Acting Chair: "I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cavell Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cavell Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on this motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cavendish St living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cavendish St living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on that motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Caverley Dr living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Caverley Dr living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

Point of order, the member for Huron.

Mrs Johns: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: The member has a sign up. I was wondering if you'd have it taken down, please.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. There are no signs to be displayed in the Legislature. Please take it down.

Interjections.

The Acting Chair: The member for Welland-Thorold, you've been named already -- you've been threatened. Please take your seat if you're going to stay in the Legislature.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: You cannot order a member to his seat. The only time the member has to be there is when he is voting. You might be able to order him to the corner, but not to his seat.

The Acting Chair: Thank you.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on that motion shall be deferred.

Interjections.

Mr Sergio: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: It's a number of times that the member for Scarborough East has addressed himself to another Crozier motion. I do resent that. The member is not present. The member is not in the House and there is absolutely --

Mr Steve Gilchrist (Scarborough East): Are you inferring something? You can't refer to another member as being absent.

Mr Sergio: Mr Chairman, with all due respect, no member of the House should address another member by name, especially when they are not in the House. They have absolutely no reason for the member for Scarborough East to continue in that practice, so I would like to bring that to your attention.

The Acting Chair: Thank you.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: The standing orders are quite clear as to the responsibilities of members in this Legislature, and one of those is that we have to not make deference of another member's name in this House. I specifically heard the member for Scarborough East refer to the "Crozier motion," which I would say is a slight to the honourable member. That is not appropriate in this Legislature.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated. This is not a point of order.

Mr Joseph Cordiano (Lawrence): On the same point of order, Mr Chair: The member for Scarborough East was imputing motive when the member for Essex South was in the chair. As far as I know, that's not within the standing orders, Mr Chair, and I believe it would be uncalled for for someone to impute motives in this House to another member. Once again, we hear the member for Scarborough East repeatedly --

The Acting Chair: Please be seated. That is not a point of order.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: This is a serious matter and I ask you as the Chair to deal with this in a serious way. There may be a certain amount of partisanship that happens in this House, and I accept that. At times there are comments made across the floor that are partisan in nature, and I can accept that. But one thing we cannot accept in this Legislature is making fun of somebody's name or making fun of somebody because of their ethnic origin, their religious belief or their sexual orientation.

I specifically resent the member for Scarborough East demonstrating the way that he is, calling the closure motions "Crozier motions" because I think it shows no respect for the member, Mr Crozier. I don't think that is appropriate. I think the member for Scarborough East is yet again demonstrating his repugnant attitude when it comes to this Legislature. This government has always had a heavy-handed approach to how they deal with things in this Legislature and that is not acceptable.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. That is not considered a point of order.

Mr Bisson: Hold it, hold it.

The Acting Chair: Are you challenging the Chair?

Mr Bisson: I am not challenging the Chair. I am looking for clarification.

The Acting Chair: Please be seated. Thank you.

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cavern Court living in the urban area shall be -- '"

Mr Bisson: Point of order, Mr Chair.

The Acting Chair: Is this a different point of order?

Mr Bisson: Different point of order. I want to withdraw a comment that I heckled across the House, even though you didn't hear it. I was not in order for doing so and I withdraw it. I ask the member for Scarborough East to do the same, because this member is making fun of another member because of his name, and that is not acceptable. The member for Scarborough East is yet again demonstrating that he's below the dignity of this House, what we are supposed to be as members.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much for withdrawing your comment.

Mr Gilchrist: Mr Chair, in response to that point of order, I don't think --

The Acting Chair: The member for Scarborough East, do you have a point of order?

Mr Gilchrist: I want to respond to the point of order just raised by the member for Cochrane --

The Acting Chair: It was not a point of order.

Mr Gilchrist: You ruled it out of order? Thank you.

Ms Lankin: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I want to address the matter that has been raised and I believe has not been put forward yet that was a point of order. I would like you to consider this: Under

section 23 of the standing orders, (

g) talks to members in debate. The Speaker may call them to order "if he or she refers to any matter that is the subject of a proceeding that is pending in court" etc, and it goes on and sets out a number of things: "(

h) makes allegations against another member; (

i) imputes false or unavowed motives to another member; (

j) charges another member with uttering a deliberate falsehood" and there are other examples.

Repeatedly this evening, in the matter that is being raised by the members, the member for Scarborough East, every time we come to the end of an amendment, and you defer the vote on that, Mr Chair, has been interjecting, "Another un-Crozier decision; a fair decision," which is suggesting that when the honourable member Mr Crozier was in the chair that you sit in now -- he made a decision earlier which we know is one that is very problematic for the government -- somehow his decision was an unfair decision. We know that the ruling he made was challenged. It was challenged to the Speaker of this assembly. The Speaker ruled on that and upheld that.

At a certain point in time it has probably gone beyond being something -- what you started off, I would say to the member for Scarborough East is to attempt to be humorous. At a certain point time he is imputing motive and, if I may cite, actually making an allegation against a member who made a ruling, which ruling has been upheld by the Speaker of this assembly.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much for the point of order. I certainly did not hear the member say the comments you're referring to. I recognize the distance that he is from where I'm sitting and can miss it. I don't think members want to impute falsehoods and I trust that with your bringing it to his attention at this point in time, this will not continue in the future. I trust that the member will not want that kind of thing brought against other members in the House.

Mr Sergio: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: I don't doubt that you haven't heard the comment from the member for Scarborough East. The fact is that these procedures are being translated, and they are being translated for the benefit of the hearing-impaired. When the House gets rowdy and noisy, it is impossible for the translator to translate, especially at the rate we are going, so I would hope that you would maintain order in the House so that --

The Acting Chair: What's your point of order?

Mr Sergio: My point of order is that if there is order maintained in the House, you would be able to hear some of the comments that are being made in this House.

Interjections.

The Acting Chair: Order, please.

Mr Bisson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Normally the Chair has the discretion, according to the standing orders, if a member alleges that another member has imputed motive or said a falsehood in the House that the Chair can ask if the member did make that comment, he would ask if he did, to withdraw that motion. I would ask if you can do that to see indeed if the member for Scarborough East --

The Acting Chair: Thank you for your comments. I've already ruled. Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cavern Court living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cavern Court living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given."

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on this motion shall be deferred.

I have another NDP motion.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cavotti Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cavotti Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on that motion shall be deferred.

NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cawthra Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cawthra Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on this motion shall be deferred.

Mr Kormos: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Please, in which month will members' statements resume?

The Acting Chair: That's up to your party. Thank you very much.

Ms Lankin: Chair, that should be withdrawn. That was inappropriate for the Chair.

The Acting Chair: If it was inappropriate, I withdraw.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cayuga Avenue living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cayuga Avenue living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on that motion shall be deferred.

Another NDP motion.

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cecil Crescent living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cecil Crescent living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`4. The minister shall give three weeks' notice of a public hearing, in the same manner as the notice under paragraph 1.

"`5. The notice under paragraph 1 shall,

"`i. include a copy of the proposed regulation,

"`ii. tell members of the public where and how to obtain, without charge, a copy of this act together with background material,

"`iii. advise members of the public of their rights under paragraphs 2, 3 and 4,

"`iv. advise members of the public where their written submissions and requests for a public hearing should be sent.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote on that motion shall be deferred.

I have another NDP motion:

"I move that

section 24 of the bill be amended by adding the following subsection:

"`Public consultation

(4) Despite subsection (1), no regulation that may affect the residents of Cecil Street living in the urban area shall be made unless the following conditions have first been satisfied:

"`1. The minister has given notice of the proposed regulation, in a manner that will come to the attention of the residents of Cecil Street living in the urban area.

"`2. The minister has considered all written submissions made by members of the public that his office received within 30 days after the notice was given.

"`3. If 10 or more

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Collection	Ontario — Debates (Hansard)
Citation	1997-04-05
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