Manitoba Hansard — 2 October 2025 (Sitting 68B, 43rd Legislature, 2nd Session)

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Second Session – Forty-Third Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Tom Lindsey Speaker Vol. LXXIX No. 68B - 1:30 p.m., Thursday, October 2, 2025 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Third Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ASAGWARA, Uzoma, Hon. Union Station NDP BALCAEN, Wayne Brandon West PC BEREZA, Jeff Portage la Prairie PC BLASHKO, Tyler Lagimodière NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian, Hon. Keewatinook NDP BYRAM, Jodie Agassiz PC CABLE, Renée, Hon. Southdale NDP CHEN, Jennifer Fort Richmond NDP COMPTON, Carla Tuxedo NDP COOK, Kathleen Roblin PC CORBETT, Shannon Transcona NDP CROSS, Billie Seine River NDP DELA CRUZ, Jelynn Radisson NDP DEVGAN, JD McPhillips NDP EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni, Hon. St.

Johns NDP GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC HIEBERT, Carrie Morden-Winkler PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC KENNEDY, Nellie, Hon. Assiniboia NDP KHAN, Obby Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP KING, Trevor Lakeside PC KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Dauphin NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom, Hon. Flin Flon NDP LOISELLE, Robert St. Boniface NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya, Hon. Notre Dame NDP MOROZ, Mike, Hon. River Heights NDP MOSES, Jamie, Hon. St. Vital NDP MOYES, Mike, Hon.

Riel NDP NARTH, Konrad La Vérendrye PC NAYLOR, Lisa, Hon. Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC OXENHAM, Logan Kirkfield Park NDP PANKRATZ, David Waverley NDP PERCHOTTE, Richard Selkirk PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP ROBBINS, Colleen Spruce Woods PC SALA, Adrien, Hon. St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu, Hon. The Maples NDP SCHMIDT, Tracy, Hon. Rossmere NDP SCHOTT, Rachelle Kildonan-River East NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SIMARD, Glen, Hon. Brandon East NDP SMITH, Bernadette, Hon. Point Douglas NDP STONE, Lauren Midland PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry Ind.

WHARTON, Jeff Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt, Hon. Concordia NDP WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC

2717 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, October 2, 2025 The House met at 1:30 p.m. The Speaker: Good afternoon, everyone. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 48–The Protective Detention and Care of Intoxicated Persons Act The Speaker: The honourable minister of–I've been away for a while–the honourable Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness. Hon. Bernadette Smith (Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness): I move, seconded by the Minister of Justice (Mr.

Wiebe), that Bill 48, the protection detention and care of intoxicated persons act, now be read a first time. The Speaker: It has been moved by the honour able Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness, seconded by the honour able Minister of Justice, that Bill 48, The Protec tive Detention and Care of Intoxicated Persons Act, be now read a first time. Ms. Smith: I'm so honoured to rise today and intro- duce Bill 48, The Protec tive Detention and Care of Intoxicated Persons Act.

Honourable Speaker, this bill will help keep our community safe while ensuring that Manitobans are protected and cared for and are provided with health care and access to addictions supports and services while they are recovering from intoxication by alcohol and/or other substances. I look forward to quick passage of this bill and unanimous support from this House so that we can keep Manitobans safe and free up our police officers, take the pressure off our emergency rooms and connect people with the care that they so des perately need. Miigwech. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Agreed? [Agreed] No further introduction of bills? Committee reports? Tabling of reports? MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS National Day of Action for MMIWG2S+ Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Minister responsible for Women and Gender Equity): This Saturday, October 4, is the national day of action for missing and murdered Indigenous women, girls and gender-diverse relatives. On this day, we honour those we have lost, stand with survivors and reaffirm our government's commitment to ending this crisis. To understand why this work matters so deeply, we must remember the names and lives of those taken.

In March 2003, 16-year-old Felicia Solomon Osborne, from Norway House Cree Nation and a student at R.B. Russell school, went missing. Three months later, body parts were found along the Red River. The next day, one of our local papers ran the headline, and I quote: Prostitute with gang ties found. End quote. That headline was not only cruel, it dehumanized Felicia. It reflected a society that too often dismisses Indigenous women, girls and two-spirited, and revealed the systemic inequities and racisms we continue to confront.

On a cold November day that same year, many of us gathered at the Alexander Docks in memory of Felicia where her body parts had washed ashore. After the prayers and remarks, her grandmother, Darlene Osborne, came up to me and said, and I quote: We need a 24-7 drop-in centre for Indigenous women and girls. End quote. Almost 22 years later, after years of persistent and advocacy, I am proud to say this vision is becoming a reality.

This morning, we announced a $3.5 million investment into the establishment of the Mino'Ayaawag Ikwewag Lodge, a first -of-its-kind, 24- 7 safe space for Indigenous women, girls and two-spirit. In partnership with Ikwe Widdjiitiwin, this lodge will be a warm and welcoming place of safety where women are met with dignity, where they can connect with culture and where they can find the support they need. It will also serve as a bridge, a soft hand- off, connecting women to housing, health care, addictions treatment, cultural healing and community supports.

It is about preventing the next missing or murdered Indigenous woman, girl or two- spirit, but also it's about helping our relatives heal, rebuild and thrive.

2718 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 The Mino'Ayaawag Ikwewag Lodge is the corner- stone of our Mino'Ayaawag Ikwewag: All Women Doing Well strategy. It's our government's whole -of- government strategy to empower and protect Indigenous women, girls and two- spirit and gender -diverse relatives. Since its launch in November of 2024, this strategy has already directed more than $20 million into community-led projects across Manitoba.

These invest- ments are advancing the ten pillars of the strategy and strengthening safety, healing and em powerment of Indigenous women, girls, two- spirit and gender - diverse relatives. Looking ahead, Budget 2025 invests another $20 million to continue advancing this strategy, including large -scale projects in economic security, housing and justice. Mino'Ayaawag Ikwewag is not just a policy or a strategy. It is our sacred promise.

It's about honouring our obligations, dismantling barriers and centring the leadership of Indigenous women, girls and gender - diverse peoples in Manitoba, and it is about pr ior- itizing the pro tections of Indigenous women, girls, two-spirit and gender -diverse folks in our beautiful province. Miigwech. Ms. Jodie Byram (Agassiz): I rise this afternoon to talk about the national day of action for murdered and missing Indigenous women and girls and gender - diverse people. I want to begin by saying thank you to all of those who have come to visit the Legislature, share their stories today and every day.

There are many events throughout Manitoba that have been created to raise awareness, further dialogue and create much -needed supports and shared under - standing for the loss that so many have and continue to experience. On this day of action and awareness, we bring our attention to MMIWG and 2SLGBTQIA+ people. We need to continue to support our communities and marginalized people, people with–who have been hurt by unnecessary violence and hate. The pathway to healing must include making the voices of these communities heard.

Honourable Speaker, it is incredibly heartbreaking that, because of violence, many Indigenous women and girls go missing or are found murdered. We as legislatures–legislators still need to do more. It is exceptionally important to give that full and proper recognition for every person who has gone missing. Every single person who goes missing has a family whose lives are forever impacted. Our hearts go out to all of you: those who are missing, those who have loved or love someone who may be missing or have been murdered.

And to everyone who still experiences oppression for their sexual orientation, we see you and we hear you. The journey to equality and peace is not without challenges, but I am confident that we can collectively rise to that challenge, that we can ensure the violence that plagues communities, in whatever form, from emotional to physical to monetary, to overcome. * (13:40) We as legislators must support avenues of escape and assistance for victims. We must look past old stereotypes and see the person, not the statistic. We must all do better.

And I want to say thank you, Honourable Speaker, and thank you to the MLA for St. Johns for bringing this statement forward. Introduction of Guests The Speaker: Prior to member statements, we have some guests in the gallery I'd like to intro duce, and they have to leave before we'd be finished. So, seated in the public gallery from the University of Winnipeg, 30 students under the direction of Peter Ives, and they are guests of the honourable member for Union Station (MLA Asagwara). We welcome you here today. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Hannah Yang Hon.

Nahanni Fontaine (Minister responsible for Accessibility): At just 20 years old, Hannah Yang, a young woman with cerebral palsy, is a powerful voice for equity in Manitoba. Hannah uses her platform to advocate for people with disabilities and spread awareness about mental health. This past February, Hannah was honoured with the Yes I Can Award. Last year, Hannah released her first children's book, The Magical Runner. Originally written as a grade 11 school project, the Shine Foundation, a London, Ontario-based organi zation, helped turn Hannah's writing dreams into a reality.

Drawing from her own childhood, Hannah has transformed her experiences into a narrative that inspires children to embrace who they are and to believe in their own possibilities.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2719 Hannah visits schools to share her book and her story with students across Winnipeg. She is a mentor, a storyteller and a role model for young people across this province. Hannah affirms to all exceptional young people they deserve to see themselves reflected in stories, and teaches the power of visibility, representa- tion and inclusion. Hannah fosters authentic and meaningful conversa- tions about representation, helping to create positive change across our beautiful province. Hannah has a strong presence felt by all members of the community.

In fact, Hannah's impact is so enormous both myself and the colleague–my colleague, the MLA for Kildonan- River East, had both planned to honour her in the Chamber this year. So on behalf of all of us, and on behalf of the MLA for Kildonan- River East and myself, Hannah, you are so appreciated in your home community and in our larger Manitoba community. Hannah, we are so incredibly proud of you and love you–and I ask my colleagues to help me celebrate Hannah. Preston Houle MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): Good afternoon. Today, we gather to recognize a true act of courage,

an act that reminds us of strength, compassion and quick thinking that define the very best in our community. On July 18, at Delta Beach just north of Portage la Prairie, a young child's life hung in the balance. In those terrifying moments, while panic and fear set in, Preston Houle stepped forward. Without hesitation, he ran to help, relying on his training and his impact to– instinct to save a life. The child was unconscious, pulseless and in grave danger, but Preston remained calm.

He took the child in his arms, he began chest compressions and he did not stop until that little boy coughed, until water cleared from his lungs, until life returned. Because of Preston's bravery and his refusal to give up, a child's parents still have their son, a family is whole, and our community has been given an example of what true heroism looks like. Honourable Speaker, words can never fully measure the value of a life saved, but we can say this: without Preston's selfless action that day, the outcome would almost certainly have been very different.

Preston, on behalf of the com munity and behalf of all Manitobans, thank you. You are a hero. You remind us of the power of courage, of preparation and of human spirit. Your action will never be forgotten. Also joining Preston today is his wife, April Paul, his brother-in-law Shane Paul, and his mom, Tracey Houle. Please stand with me to congratulate this hero. Sophie Lamoureux MLA Billie Cross (Seine River): I rise today with immense pride to recognize an extraordinary young girl, the youngest constituent I've ever had the privilege of setting a meeting with.

At a young age, Sophie Lamoureux has already made a profound impact on our community through her courage, her compassion and commitment to advocacy. Sophie was born with a port wine stain, a vascular birthmark that she carries with pride every day. This type of birthmark affects approximately one in 3,000 children, and at yet such a young age Sophie is already leading the way in promoting understanding and acceptance. At an age when most children are learning to read or ride a bike, Sophie is learning how to raise aware - ness and build community.

When Sophie and her mother, Roxane, visited my office, I was immediately struck by their enthusiasm and determination. Last May for VBARS awareness month–VBARS standing for vascular birthmarks, anomalies and related syndromes –Sophie took on the initiative to organize a community walk in the River Park South neighbourhood. She brought together neighbours, friends and families to share information, build under- standing and celebrate uniqueness. Her event was more than just a walk. It was a meaningful step towards greater visibility and acceptance for individuals living with vascular birthmarks.

Sophie reminded us that inclusion begins with aware- ness, and that even the smallest voice can make a powerful impact. To Sophie, her mother Roxane and her family who join us today in the gallery, I thank you. You are role models and changemakers. Your efforts have brought our community closer together, and I am honoured to represent such inspiring individuals in Seine River. I ask that all of my colleagues rise, join me in celebrating Sophie's remarkable advocacy and wishing

2720 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 her continued success, and I ask the names of all my guests be entered into Hansard. Alexander Lamoureux, Kevin Lamoureux, Roxane Lamoureux, Sophie Lamoureux, Cammie Lui. Acknowledging Responders to Neelin School Incident Mr. Wayne Balcaen (Brandon West): Honourable Speaker, as MLA for Brandon West and as someone who once wore the uniform and stood proudly shoulder to shoulder with the men and women of the Brandon Police Service, it is a privilege to stand here today with deep pride and gratitude.

The recent incident at Neelin school tested our community's resilience. It was frightening and uncertain and could have certainly ended up very differently. But thanks to the swift actions of our officers, it didn't. I want to especially recognize school resource officer Constable Moshe Linov and Constable Abdi [phonetic] Patel, the first responders on scene. I am pleased to recognize that Constable Abhi Patel along with his colleagues is joining us in the gallery today. Your courage and professionalism made all the difference. You didn't hesitate.

You acted with clarity, compassion and a fierce commitment to protect our students and staff. * (13:50) But let me be clear, behind every front-line response is a team of professionals: dispatchers, supervisors, investigators and support staff. And to every member of the Brandon Police Service, many of whom join us in the gallery today, your dedication and quiet strength do not go unnoticed. You confronted an armed aggressive attacker, showed supreme discipline, exercised expertise in your training and dedication to the protection of the citizens and the preservation of life.

You–your col - lective actions saved many lives and we owe you all a debt of gratitude. On behalf of myself and all of my colleagues, know that your commendable actions are truly appreciated. I know the toll this work can take: the long nights, the missed family moments and emo - tional weights of running towards danger. And I also know that you do not do it for recognition, but because you believe in protecting our community. Today, we thank you. We stand with you, not just in moments of crisis, but every day. Brandon is safer because of you, and I am proud to call you colleagues, friends and heroes. Thank you.

Officers: Constable Ryan Brossart, Constable Duncan, Constable Frame, Constable Friesen, Constable Goran, Constable Jordan, Constable Linov, Constable Lumgair, Constable Mahoney, Constable Menzies, Constable Montgomery, Constable Patel, Constable Plante, Constable Puteran, Constable Ruskin, Constable Samagalski, Constable Smith. Sergeant Kulchyski, Sergeant McBeth. Cadets: Cadet Caballeros, Cadet Flett, Cadet Gill, Cadet Rose, Cadet Sawchuk, Cadet Yeo. Dispatchers: Christie Chabot, Kayla Drakeley, Taylor Ennis, Morgan Hanlon, Tia Patten, Jessica Sutton, Danna Twerdoski.

Clerical Front Desk Attendants: Camille Anderson, Jess Paterson, Terra Snow, Ashley Trokhym. Chad Posthumus Memorial Court Hon. Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): I rise today to honour the life and legacy of a great Manitoban, Chad–pardon me–Chad Posthumus, and to celebrate the opening of the Chad Posthumus Memorial Court at Gateway Recreation Centre in the constituency of Rossmere. Chad's basketball career was nothing short of remarkable. He played professionally across Canada and around the world, including representing Canada on the men's national 3x3 team.

Chad was the very first player signed to the Winnipeg Sea Bears and proudly took on the role of captain during the team's inaugural season in 2023. His sudden passing in November of 2024 was a profound loss for our community, felt deeply by his family, his teammates and the entire basketball community in Manitoba and across Canada. But beyond his athletic success, what defined Chad's legacy was his kindness, his humility and his dedication to our community. Chad served as an ambassador for KidSport, he acted as a mentor for youth and he was a strong advocate for others who, like him, lived with type 1 diabetes.

That's why our community is so proud that this new basketball court in Rossmere will bear his name. Chad began his basketball journey at the Gateway Recreation Centre and was a graduate of River East Collegiate, where he earned the nickname the Beast from River East while playing for the River East Kodiaks. Honourable Speaker, I'd like to thank the City of Winnipeg, the Gateway Recreation Centre and, most

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2721 importantly, the Posthumus family for the naming of the Chad Posthumus Memorial Court, which will ensure that Chad's story continues to inspire. It will be a place where young athletes will gather and play and learn to lead with heart and to give back to our community, just like Chad did. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Introduction of Guests The Speaker: Prior to oral questions, there are guests in the public gallery that I'd like to introduce.

I'll draw the attention of all honourable members to the public gallery where we have with us today, from the Brandon Police Service, Chief Tyler Bates, Deputy Chief Greg Hebert, Constable Darcy Ruskin, Constable Selena Samagalski, Constable Abhi Patel, who are the guests of the honour able member for Brandon West (Mr. Balcaen). And on behalf of all honour able members, we welcome you here today. I would also like to draw the attention of all hon- ourable members to the public gallery where we have with us today students from the River East Collegiate German exchange program: St.

Konrad students Miriam Biehler, Aimilia Babenschneider, Frida Schneider, Greta Reich, Jonas Pfiffer [phonetic], Ben Stumpf, Julius Brugger, Fabian Bussman, Lars Hagenbruerher [phonetic], Isabella Bogadado [phonetic] , Alisha Braun, Cienna Dyck, Samantha Schroeder, Joseph Mose, Henry Doltze, Lincoln Dyck, Jeremy Sawatzky, Martin Sokolies, who are guests of the honour able Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning (MLA Schmidt). And we welcome you here today. * * * Mr.

Wayne Balcaen (Brandon West): Honourable Speaker, I ask leave to enter the 37 names, following my members' statement, of the staff that attended to the Neelin incident. The Speaker: Does the member have leave to add the names to Hansard? [Agreed] And I just have one more comment before we move on to oral questions. I reminded everyone that they have two minutes to do members' statements; most of you exceeded that today. Tomorrow, you will not–because tomorrow we're not sitting; so Monday, you will not. ORAL QUESTIONS Freedom of Speech and Public Protests Request for Premier to Apologize for Comments Mr.

Obby Khan (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, I want to start by quoting this Premier's absurd comments from yesterday. And I quote: you should not be protesting a minister of the Crown's right to serve the people of Manitoba. End quote. I want to be very clear for the Premier, his ministers and everyone on that side of the House: None of us have the right to be in this Chamber. It is a privilege; it is an honour, and it is a responsibility that we must live up to and earn every single day.

And Manitobans do have every right to show up and express their opinion, their freedom of speech and protest if they so choose without the Premier aggressively challenging Manitobans, saying, and I quote: If they have a problem, come see me. As if he wants to fight them. Will the Premier apologize and retract his comments from yesterday or, like his Minister of Families (MLA Fontaine), does he think that those that disagree with him are not allowed to exercise their rights for freedom of 'spreech' and protest? Hon.

Wab Kinew (Premier): Well, the PC Party of Manitoba should've recognized a red flag with this guy when he was always talking about himself around the Cabinet table. And now you see here in question period, it's all about him; it's all about him. Guess what? It's not about you; it's about you, the people of Manitoba. Let's quit talking about politicians and let's talk about the issues. You know why they want to talk about politics instead of the issues? Because what we've done so far in government is hire 3,400 front-line health-care staff, 1,100 nurses, 285 doctors.

We've reopened emer- gency rooms; we've hired 36 new police officers in the city of Winnipeg, 1,600 new educators. We cut the gas tax; we cut property tax; we cut income tax; we cut the payroll tax. No wonder they want to talk about them selves, because if they ever talk about us, Manitobans will be nodding their head and say, yes, we're on board with the NDP plan. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question.

2722 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 Mr. Khan: Childish jokes, insults, by this Premier. Not once did he mention anything I asked him about: democracy, rights to protest, freedom of speech and his failed Minister of Families (MLA Fontaine). I quote from Hansard: "It's im portant to uphold the constitutional right of all Manitobans to peacefully protest and ensure it does not improperly restrict any- one's freedom of speech . . .

However, we must remain vigilant in balancing between protecting people on the Legis lative grounds and allowing people's right to protest, even if this protest is some - thing that we disagree with." End quote. Who said that, Honour able Speaker? This failed Minister of Families, right here in this very Chamber. Why does the Premier stand here with such arrogance and anger and belittle Manitobans by calling them goofballs and intimidating them? Will he stand up today and apologize for calling Manitobans goofballs? Mr. Kinew: No. The invitation is to him.

If you have a criticism for the gov ernment, direct it towards me. Don't avert your eye contact from me and attack my Minister of Families. And don't say that she's failing when two minutes ago you were clapping for the announcement that she made on a 24-7 safe space. Again, they want to talk about personal attacks; they want to talk about politicians themselves. Okay, the PCs can keep doing that. * (14:00) We want to talk about you. How are we making your life more affordable? Well, we brought in a permanent cut to the gas tax.

We brought in relief on property taxes and, of course, we relieved you of the division of the terrible anti- trans, anti -LGBT, anti-MMIWG rhetoric from the other side. But when it comes to the members opposite and us, the choice is clear: they want to divide, they want to incite. We want to unite. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Khan: As the Minister of Families loved to say, and I quote: When they show you who they are, believe them. End quote.

This Premier just showed his arrogance, just showed his bipartisan attacks, just showed how low he will go when he calls Manitobans goofballs, when he removes their democratic right to protest and freedom of speech. That's your Premier. Not one single thing about the questions I'm asking him, but goes on on false statements about his failed NDP government. It's ironic how the NDP are now so upset when Manitobans are writing in demanding action against their failed minister, when this same Minister of Families had no problem telling Manitobans to write in and call into my office when she disagreed with me.

The public debates, asking questions and peaceful protest is not violence. It's definitely not racism like this Premier likes to call it is. Will the Premier apologize to Manitobans today that–and admit that he was wrong to equate public protest, asking tough questions to violence– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Mr. Kinew: Keeps talking about himself. I want to talk about you and how we're making your health care better, how we're making your jobs more secure.

So it is a little interesting to hear this newfound concern with demo cracy, because, well, earlier this year, when our democracy was under attack by Donald Trump, what did the people on this side of the House do? We literally draped the Canadian flag on the building. What did they do? They thanked Donald Trump. And it wasn't an accident. It's not only their leader who said thank you, I would say thank you to Donald Trump; they went out and got a new candidate whose only platform commitment was also to thank Donald Trump.

Here's the other thing I want to put on the record today: they've asked for a meeting to discuss new office furniture in the opposition offices. We're going to grant it. They better get comfortable because their No. 1 priority isn't you; it's making sur e that they're going to stay there for a long, long time. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a new question. Personal-Care Homes Funding Concerns Mr. Obby Khan (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, I've been very clear.

It is our job on this side of the House to ask questions, to hold this failing NDP government to account. Not once in those last three questions did the Premier even come close to answering one single question. This is a failed Premier and a failed NDP gov ernment. The Premier would rather talk about identity politics, but I will call

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2723 it out each and every time for him and his failed minis- ters on that side of the House; I will call them out based on merit and performance. Sadly, Manitobans are coming to realize this NDP government is very limited on merit and has zero for performance. This summer, multiple care homes have reported funding troubles spe cifically related to this government not flowing money and releasing funds. Why is the Premier failing to fund services for seniors across Manitoba? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): Okay, setting aside the terrible wandering

preamble, there was actually an issue brought forward in this one. But I'm really surprised that the PCs want to talk about personal-care homes, because you know how many personal-care-home beds they built while that member was sitting at the Cabinet table? Do you know how many beds they built through the entirety of two terms in office? Do you know how many beds they built in every single community across Manitoba? Well, I'll tell you this, Hon ourable Speaker. It's right here in the palm of my hand. No, no, actually, it's right there on the end of my finger. No, actually, it's right here in all of our heads.

It's completely imaginary. They never built a single per sonal-care home bed, ever. We're building the personal-care home in Arborg. We're building the personal-care home in Transcona. And guess who's crossing the floor soon? Because we're building a personal-care home in Lac du Bonnet too. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Khan: I will gladly put our record up against this Premier's shaming past record. We employ thousands of personal-care homes–[interjection] The Speaker: Order. Mr.

Khan: –on this side of the House; all they've done is stole the hard work of the previous PC government and reannounced them like they did something. I will table a letter today that shows systematic – and I quote: systematic failures and financial negligence; end quote–by this NDP government and failed Health Minister from a personal -care home right here in Manitoba, in the backyard of the Minister of Health's riding, Union Station. So my question is simple for the Premier–maybe he can actually answer it.

And I quote from the letter I just tabled: Are systemic failures and financial negligence really the best he can do? End quote. Mr. Kinew: So again, Honourable Speaker, there are more beds in the lost city of Atlantis than they ever built during their time in office. All of our guests in the Chamber today, each have build more personal - care home beds than the members opposite did in their time in office. They didn't build–not only a single bed, we actually lost personal-care home beds during their time in office.

In fact, there was actually –and I don't want any laughs or heckling here –there was a humanitarian crisis. There was a humanitarian crisis at the Maples personal-care home while they were in charge of our health-care system. It was an abomination. We are fixing the damage; we are building beds, we are building personal-care homes, and we're making sure that seniors get what this issue's really about: care, dignity and compassion. I got care, dignity and compassion for seniors every day and I'll never have any for those who seek to divide Manitoba.

The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Khan: I bring forward a serious issue of personal- care homes in this province and underfunding by this NDP government; what does the Premier do? He stands up and makes jokes. The lost city of Atlantis. We have personal-care homes that are closing under this NDP gov ernment and he stands up and makes jokes. It's embarrassing; it's wrong; he has to stop.

The NDP vilified the Lions club when they sold senior housing to continue to operate the personal - care home, but now they are actively undermining that same care home and many others with delayed and insufficient funding. I table that letter for the Premier. The Health Minister won't meet with them; the Premier calls Manitobans goofballs for protesting; the Premier calls members on this side of the House racist for asking tough questions. If you won't meet with them, you won't talk to them, you won't answer questions, you have no right to be here.

Will the Premier and Health Minister meet with Lions house today? Mr. Kinew: All right, let's pull it back from the alt- right, or alter nate reality on the other side there and

2724 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 focus on some facts. Here's some reasonable things that you, the reasonable people of Manitoba, understand. The second that something crosses from being a legitimate dispute over politics to lighting a match and threatening lives, yes: it deserves to be condemned. And I will always condemn acts of violence in our politics. Also, the second that the PCs talk about personal- care homes, you know that they're on shaky, unsteady ground. They allowed Lions Place to close, threatening many, many seniors' housing situation.

And now we see the personal -care-home impacts of their negligence on the job. Again, the Maples personal -care home tragedy was an absolute abomination. The member knows it; that's why he can't look up from his phone. We are repairing the damage caused by a systematic pattern of cuts and neglect under the PCs. At the same time, we're uniting Manitobans and saying: No; if you are engaged in violence in our politics, you are on the fringe, you are on the extreme. Doesn't matter if you're left or right; all the rest of us can play here and have a constructive debate about the future of Manitoba.

The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Introduction of Guests The Speaker: If you could stop the clock for a moment, please. There's some guests in the gallery that are leaving right away, so I want to acknowledge them. We have, seated in the public gallery, from the University of Winnipeg, 30 students under the direction of Peter Ives, and they're guests of the honour able member for Union Station. * (14:10) Brandon Regional Health Centre On-Call General Surgery Availability Mrs.

Kathleen Cook (Roblin): Another day, Hon- ourable Speaker, another example of ways that health care is only getting worse under this failing NDP gov- ernment. Can the Minister of Health explain why there is currently no on-call general surgery available at Brandon Regional Health Centre? The Speaker: The honourable member for–the hon- ourable Minister of Health, Seniors and Long- Term Care. Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long-Term Care): You know, it's interesting.

First, the Leader of the Opposition gets up and reminds Manitobans about their failures in government and the harm that they did to personal -care homes, and now the member for Roblin stands up and reminds Manitobans about their failures on the surgery side. We're doing more surgeries now in Manitoba than we ever have before, and why is that? It's because we're investing right here in our own capacity, not sending it out to the United States like they did for years and years.

We're also working directly with our provincial clinical lead to make sure that we're continuing to build that capacity in rural sites across the province. And we're going to keep doing that work with our partners who didn't have that part nership under the failed former Health ministers and that member, while she was advising Heather Stefanson to cut health care. The Speaker: The honourable member for Roblin, on a supplementary question. Mrs. Cook: That absolute non-answer is cold comfort to the people of Westman who may present to their regional health centre today and be unable to access surgery.

I'll table a memo from Prairie Mountain Health that was distributed confirming that there is no general on-call surgery available for a 24 -hour period that began this morning. The contingency plan laid out in this memo says that patients who need surgery will either be forced to wait up to 24 hours, t ravel to Dauphin, if Dauphin has capacity, or travel to Winnipeg. How could the minister have failed to see this coming and how could they have failed to take action to prevent it?

MLA Asagwara: I want to be really clear, Hon our- able Speaker, that under the previous PC administration, Manitobans were being sent to the United States. They were being sent out of the country for essential health care. And while the Leader of the Opposition heckles me as I answer this question, I want to remind Manitobans that he was around that Cabinet table, sending millions of dollars to private US companies and send- ing Manitobans out of the country for essential care. The PC record on health care is abysmal.

And I also want to remind Manitobans that the member opposite who asked the question today is the same person who was advising Heather Stefanson for years to cut health care.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2725 The Speaker: Honourable member's time has expired. The honourable member for Roblin, on a final supplementary question. Mrs. Cook: Honourable Speaker, there are patients in Westman right now –right now –visiting Brandon Regional Health Centre. They may need emergency general surgery, and they cannot get it at the regional facility in Westman because this failing NDP Health Minister has failed to foresee an entirely preventable situation.

Once again, Manitobans are learning that under this NDP government health care is not only not improving, it's actively getting worse. Will the minister apologize today to the people of Westman for letting them down and apologize to the front-line health -care workers at Brandon Regional Health Centre that she –that they're once again requiring to clean up their mess?

MLA Asagwara: Honourable Speaker, I'll acknowl - edge that they're almost as good at co- ordinating answering a question with the member opposite as they were at co -ordinating cutting emergency rooms and cutting services and firing health-care workers for seven and a half years. The member opposite was the person advising the former premier of this province –while she was the Health Minister–to cut the very services she claims to advocate for today. And she's never answered for that. The member opposite was advising Heather Stefanson to cut services across rural Manitoba and she has never answered for that.

Why won't she? Honourable Speaker, on this side we're investing in fixing the damage that she was a part of doing for seven and a half years. We're building more capacity. We're working with our partners including– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Brandon Regional Health Centre On-Call General Surgery Availability Mr. Wayne Balcaen (Brandon West): To hear that Brandon Regional Health Centre has no general on-call surgery today terrifies me. We've heard about how violent crime is through the roof under this failed Minister of Justice (Mr.

Wiebe), and we pray there are no emergency situations that arise today to make things worse because of this govern ment inaction, no families battling life or death injuries, no officers wounded in the line of duty. To my fellow MLA, the minister of municipal relations, how has this gov ernment allowed this to happen? When was he made aware of this un pre- cedented situation? Hon.

Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long-Term Care): I want to remind the member for Brandon West that under the previous government they cut the very program that was in place to retain and recruit rural doctors, rural surgeons. On that side of the House, there are members including the Leader of the Opposition and the Health critic who was advising Heather Stefanson to cut the very resources needed to retain and recruit doctors. On this side of the House, we have worked together to do something that hasn't been done before, and that is to set up training seats for residents in Brandon.

We announced that recently. We have training seats for doctors in Brandon right now, and we are training the next genera tion of surgeons and providers for rural Manitoba. The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Mr. Balcaen: Brandon is the hub of Westman and the second largest city in our province. And today, citizens are on their own if things come to the dire situation. This memo, sent out today, advises that if emer - gency room patients cannot travel to Dauphin; they wait 12 to 24 hours. That is totally unacceptable.

To the minister of municipal relations: We disagree about a lot but share a love for our very fine city. How has this minister not spoken up about this egregious situation? MLA Asagwara: The residents deserve care in their community when they need it. Our government takes that very, very seriously. We recognize that a lot of damage was done over seven and a half years, and we're working very hard to repair it. Almost 60 doctors have been recruited to the Prairie Mountain Health region by our administration in the last year alone.

And in the last year, we have also stood up additional training seats, actually the first training seats for medical residents at Brandon. Work is happening right now to make sure we expand that capacity even further. So we've recruited almost 60 doctors; we're training about 20 new residents, and we're doing the work of making sure that we have hundreds of additional health- care workers on the front lines this year alone.

2726 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 There's more work to do– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for Brandon West, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Balcaen: When we talk about wait times, we are talking about real people. Today, we're talking about people's deepest fears in our health -care system, that when they need help, when that time are the darkest and they're on their own, this government's solution to staffing crisis in Brandon is highway medicine. The people of Brandon East need to hear it from their own MLA: Why has he left them high and dry?

Why has he not spoken out about this unacceptable staffing position? Why has he not intervened, and why is this Premier (Mr. Kinew) muzzling him today? MLA Asagwara: I wonder if the member for Brandon West has ever bothered to talk to the member for Steinbach (Mr. Goertzen), who is heckling him during his own question. That's the same person who closed–who actually– who started the project of decimating health care in Manitoba. He was the former Health minister who said: You know what? You know what we don't need in this province? More health-care workers. You know what we don't need in Manitoba?

More emergency rooms. You know what we don't need? The 90 para - medics that were lost across rural Manitoba under his watch. The member for Brandon West sits on a side of the House full of the architects of the health- care decimation that happened for seven and a half years. It's disgusting that he doesn't bother to have a conver- sation with any of them. Don't worry. On this side of the House, we're cleaning up that mess. * (14:20) Manitoba Building Trades Manitoba Jobs Agreement Mr. Josh Guenter (Borderland): This Premier has shown a clear pattern of disrespecting Manitobans with whom he disagrees.

We saw that clearly yester - day when he referred to those calling on the Minister of Families (MLA Fontaine) to resign goofballs, which I think we all know is the more parlia mentary term for what he actually wants to call them. He doesn't respect the right of Manitobans to think for themselves or make their own decisions. He made that clear this summer when he signed an agree- ment with union bosses, dictating he'd freeze out open-shop contractors. Simple question: Does the Premier think that non-unionized workers and trades people are also goofballs? Hon.

Malaya Marcelino (Minister of Labour and Immigration): I'd like to thank the opposite member for that very important question. We are so proud on this side of the House for that Manitoba jobs agreement. And if you–and if members opposite cared about Manitobans and Manitoban jobs, they'd be up as well, you know. But, of course, they're not. The member opposite has put some false informa- tion on the record about this Manitoba jobs agreement. Any qualified contractor can bid on these jobs, union or non-union, large or small. [interjection] The Speaker: Order, please.

Let's all just have a little pause and calm down so that we can actually hear what's being said. Mr. Guenter: Well, maybe the minister wants to check with the Premier because that's not what he told the folks gathered at the Manitoba Heavy Construction Association breakfast just days ago. In fact, the Premier actually put Manitobans into groups, which, in his words, he said were unionized Manitobans, then Manitobans and then Canadians. And so that's the typical NDP approach: your rights depend on the group that you belong to.

Honourable Speaker, 80 per cent of Manitobans– of Manitoba's construction sector is non-unionized. Why is the Premier preventing them –these Manitobans–from working? MLA Marcelino: Let's try that again, this time a little slower. Any qualified contractor can bid on these pro- jects, union or non- union, large or small. The only difference is that once on site, everyone plays by the same rules: a single collective agreement that guarantees industry-standard wages, benefits and condi tions for all workers.

And finally getting rid of this PC tradition of out- of-province licence plates on these very, very im por- tant infrastructure projects for our province, that all Manitoba workers should be doing instead of out -of- province workers.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2727 The Speaker: The honourable member for Borderland, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Guenter: The minister will want to check her facts. I table this release from the Winnipeg Construction Association. Guess who this govern - ment failed to consult with and listen to before making this decision to ban non-unionized workers from gov- ernment work sites? Those who would be most affected. It isn't one Manitoba when the govern ment is picking winners and losers. Will the Premier (Mr.

Kinew) admit that by dividing Manitobans into groups and then treating them differently, his talk of one Manitoba is a farce? MLA Marcelino: You know, again, we just want to make it clear on this side of the House how proud we are of the Manitoba jobs agreement. This is so impor- tant. This is a game -changing agreement that's going to mean so much for Manitoba workers. So I would suggest that members on the opposite side get their facts straight and get on team Manitoba. Chinese Tariffs on Canadian Canola Request for New Markets for Manitoba Producers Mr.

Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): It feels great to be back in this Chamber, to see all my colleagues, including the Minister of Agri culture, who I address my first question. It's going to be a simple one; I'm just looking for a number. Since China, our biggest canola customer, has slapped a 75 per cent tariff on Canadian canola, how many new markets for that world- class Manitoba canola has this minister suc cessfully opened up for Manitoba farmers? Hon. Ron Kostyshyn (Minister of Agriculture): It's my pleasure to entertain the first agriculture question that I had to deal with, and it's my pleasure.

Congratu- lations to the newly appointed critic of Agriculture. Honourable Speaker, you know what? More im - portantly than what I've previously said is, let's show our appre ciation to the agri culture producers in the province of Manitoba and what they've had to do for the last number of years –an opportunity. Now we're here–we're here as a gov ernment to listen to the pro- ducers, and we're going to work with the producers, not listen to what the previous govern ment did when they were in power, almost to the point they shut them down, the offices. We opened offices up. And that would be the backdrop.

The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for La Vérendrye, on a supplementary question. Mr. Narth: That's very concerning, very concerning for farmers in Manitoba. No new markets has been the answer. No new markets by this failed NDP govern - ment. I find that very concerning and a little surprising. Considering that the US has been largely shut out of the Asian market, there's nothing but op portunity for Manitoba to sell our canola to the world. Is there no one in the government benches that has any sales background?

I know there's not a lot of busi- ness acumen there or real-world experience, but surely there's got to be somebody– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr. Narth: Well, how about this, Honourable Speaker– The Speaker: Order. Mr. Narth: Can the minister at least tell the Chamber, and by extension Manitoba canola producers, in his effort to– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. Mr. Kostyshyn: Let me remind the members oppo - site, back in 2019, China disrupted canola market in Canada to the point of $2 billion in losses for the agri- culture producers in this province.

Can you honestly tell me what did the PC party do at that time? They absolutely did nothing. They sat quiet and so–want to lead by example? I question members opposite, what the heck did they do when the canola situation come against them back in 2019? Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order. Mr. Narth: Now, of course, Honourable Speaker, we all know neither the minister, nor his colleague, the minister responsible for trade, or even the Premier, none of them have been suc cessful in opening up a single new market to Manitoba farmers.

They've just done what they always do: rather than look for real, sus tainable solutions to grow our economy, they use Manitoba tax dollars and throw it at the problem and hope it goes away. They haven't been successful in opening any markets for Manitoba farmers. So here's the question, Honourable Speaker: Have they even tried?

2728 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 Mr. Kostyshyn: Our Premier (Mr. Kinew) wrote a letter and contacted the federal government as soon as the tariffs come into effect– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order. Mr. Kostyshyn: That was the first request.

Now, let me educate members opposite: during the FPT that we hosted this year in Manitoba, we had numerous conversations with all agriculture ministers across Canada, including the federal agriculture minister. * (14:30) And obviously what's being said today in question by members opposite, we had the premier from Saskatchewan go to European countries, to China. Unfortunately– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order. Mr.

Kostyshyn: Unfortunately, the results are nil as we stand here today, as we spoke with the federal agri- culture minister, and we will continue to work with the agriculture– The Speaker: The member's time has expired. The member's time has expired. Order, please. Seems a long time ago that I asked us all to stay a little calmer but, apparently, we've forgotten.

Wait Times for Child-Care Spaces Impact on Parents' Return to Workforce MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Honour- able Speaker, a 2025 Probe Research survey commis- sioned by the Manitoba Child Care Association confirms that Manitoba families are now waiting 17 months on average for a child-care space. This wait time has increased by two to three months since the NDP has formed government. People seeking child-care spaces are frustrated for a number of reasons, one reason being it prevents many parents from returning to the workforce.

In fact, the same survey shows 52 per cent of respondents delayed going back to work due to child-care unavailability. What pro tections is this gov ernment putting in place for parents who cannot find child care and therefore cannot return to work? Hon. Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): Thank you very much, Honourable Speaker, and thank you to the member from Tyndall Park for an important question on child care here in Manitoba.

Our govern ment knows that every family in Manitoba deserves access to affordable, high-quality, accessible child care, and that's why we've been making record investments. It's a fact, Honourable Speaker, that in Manitoba here, we are more than halfway to the way of reaching our committed spaces on child care in part nership with the federal govern ment. Our govern ment has been very suc cessful in negotiating a very lucrative agreement with the federal gov ernment to work on expanding capital spaces here in the province.

We know that there's more work to do; we are play- ing catch-up after years of a government who failed to make– The Speaker: Member's time is expired. The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a supplementary question. New Child-Care Spaces Update Request for 2026 Targets MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Honour- able Speaker, the minister's putting false infor mation on the record. This government is not almost halfway there; they are 14 per cent there.

The–Honourable Speaker, under the Canada - Manitoba Early Learning and Childcare Agree ment, in 2021 Manitoba committed to creating 23,000 new child-care spaces by 2025 -2026. We are nearing the end of 2025 and this govern ment has only fulfilled 14 per cent of this commitment, as I shared. Does the government still plan to create 19,592 spots by the end of 2026? Hon. Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): Our gov ernment has been making incredible progress on child care.

We absolutely admit that there is more work to do, that there are families here in Manitoba that are in–still in need after years of a failed PC government that failed to make any progr ess and any invest ments on child care, chose instead to give child-care contracts to their friends and their donors. On this side of the House, we are investing in com munities, we're investing in schools, and we are investing in families and kids here in Manitoba.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2729 The fact of the matter is, when it comes to the spaces we have open and the capital projects we have com - mitted to, we are, in fact, halfway to reaching our goal in partnership with the federal govern ment. We are going to keep delivering for Manitobans and we are going to keep delivering for every single child here in Manitoba so they have access again to the high- quality, affordable child care– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a final supplementary question.

Search for Child-Care Spaces Request to Restore Online Registry MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Parents currently have to connect with multiple child -care centres, often all over the place, just to apply for child- care spaces that, sadly, they may never even hear back from. This takes up time, resources and can be incred- ibly frustrating and overwhelming for any parent. Will this government help parents in Manitoba by bringing back the online registry that was retired, to better assist parents who are searching for child -care options? Hon.

Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): Again, I thank the member opposite for this im portant opportunity and question as–that we have the chance to talk about child care in Manitoba. And we are making progress on our spaces, Honourable Speaker, but in order to be able to get children into those spaces what we have to do is make sure that we have the early child hood educators to work in those child-care centres and to work in those spaces that we are expanding. So we have increased the wages of child-care work- ers here in Manitoba by up to $5 an hour.

These are workers who are largely women. These are workers who are new comers. We are making a difference in the lives of Manitobans, not just the people that are looking for child care but the people that are working with our children in our early childhood educa tion centres. We are working on a tuition reimbursement program. We are working on a comprehensive recruitment and retention program so that we have the child care– The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

Ethics Commissioner Report Findings Regarding PC Party Members MLA Billie Cross (Seine River): Honourable Speaker, Manitobans know that exactly two years ago the former PC government broke the law and violated our constitution. The independent Ethics Commissioner was clear: Heather Stefanson, Cliff Cullen, the member for Red River North (Mr. Wharton) and the PC House leader violated the will of Manitoban voters after the 2023 election, all while their current leader cheered them on from his Cabinet seat. From top to bottom, there's too much corruption in the PC Party of Manitoba.

Can the minister reveal more about this disturbing abuse of law by the PCs? Hon. Mike Moyes (Minister of Environment and Climate Change): Thank you to the member for Seine River for the question. The ethics report has brought to light disturbing and consistent patterns of corruption within the PC Party. For the first time ever, charges have been laid. Heather Stefanson is charged $18,000; Cliff Cullen is charged $12,000; and the member for Red River North (Mr. Wharton) is charged $10,000. And, let's be clear, the pattern of corruption never left.

Even when the PCs had a chance to come clean, during his investigation, the com missioner found Heather Stefanson's story wasn't lining up with the facts, the PC's House leader had no credibili ty and Cliff Cullen's testimony flew in the face of the evidence. Two years later, they haven't changed. It's clear to all Manitobans there's too much corruption in the PC Party. The Speaker: The time for question period has expired. PETITIONS Removal of Federal Carbon Tax Mr. Wayne Balcaen (Brandon West): Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba.

The background to this petition is as follows: The federal government has mandated a consump- tion-based carbon tax, with the stated goal of financially pressuring Canadians to make decisions to reduce their carbon emissions. [interjection]

2730 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 The Speaker: Order, please. Order, please. Order. When the Speaker is standing he's supposed to be heard in silence. People are supposed to sit down. I can't hear what the member is saying in his petition, so I would ask us all to either take our conversations to the loge or somewhere else other than the Chamber. Mr. Balcaen:

(2) Manitoba Hydro estimates that, even with a high -efficiency furnace, the carbon tax is costing the average family over $200 annually, even more for those with older furnaces.

(3) Home heating in Manitoba is not a choice or a decision for Manitobans to make; it is a necessity of life, with an average of almost 200 days below 0°C annually; no. 3, home heating in Manitoba is not–sorry;

(4) The federal government has selectively removed the carbon tax off of home heating oil in the Atlantic provinces of Canada, but has indicated they have no intention to provide the same relief to Manitobans heating their homes. * (14:40)

(5) Manitoba Hydro indicates that natural gas heating is one of most affordable options available to Manitobans and it can be cost prohibitive for households to replace their heating source.

(6) Premiers across Canada, including in the Atlantic provinces that benefit from this decision, have collectively sent a letter to the federal gov ern- ment calling it–on it to extend the carbon task exemption to all forms of home heating, with the exception of Manitoba.

(7) Manitoba is one of the only provincial juris - dictions to have not agreed with the stance that all Canadian home-heating bills should be exempt from the carbon tax.

(8) Prov incial leadership in other juris dictions have already committed to removing the federal carbon tax from home-heating bills. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to remove the federal carbon tax on home -heating bills for all Manitobans and to provide them much-needed relief. And, Honourable Speaker, this petition was signed by many, many fine Manitobans. Elm Creek School Gymnasium Mrs. Lauren Stone (Midland): I wish to present the following petition. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) All Manitoba students deserve access to ap - propriate physical education facilities, not only as part of their education, but as part of living an active and healthy life.

(2) The current gymnasium at Elm Creek School is insufficient for the needs of the student population. Physical education classes are overcrowded and there is insufficient space for whole-school assemblies and events.

(3) The current gym structure is aging and showing the impact of years of usage. Parents have significant safety concerns of the physical space and the aging electrical systems.

(4) Uneven and heaving floors pose a safety risk for students participating in physical education classes or sports.

(5) The existing ventilation system was designed to meet old standards for a smaller student population and poses serious risks for students.

(6) The current facility is the only option avail - able to students, and should it become inoperable, students at Elm Creek School would be deprived of physical education spaces.

(7) The government has a responsibility to make funds available to replace this aging infrastructure and provide appropriate activity and recreation activities to students in Elm Creek. We urge the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the govern ment of Manitoba to imme - diately work with the Prairie Rose School Division to begin the process of replacing the gymnasium facilities at the Elm Creek School in consultation with parents and the community. This is signed by Colin Penner, Craig Frost, Scott Penner and many, many more Manitobans. Rural Community Policing Services Ms.

Jodie Byram (Agassiz): I wish to present the following petition to the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2731 The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) All Manitobans deserve to feel safe in their homes and communities.

(2) Throughout Manitoba, rural communities are seeing dramatic increases in criminal activities target- ing individuals and property, which has eroded their sense of safety.

(3) Though com munities pay taxes for RCMP coverage, many have lost local policing as RCMP detachments consolidate. This situation is unaccept - able to communities who expect a level of service and police protection.

(4) The lack of com munity policing has led to many Manitobans losing faith in the rule of law and the availability of emergency services when they are needed.

(5) The provincial gov ernment has a responsi - bility to act and ensure that com munities receive adequate service and coverage from the police resources. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial gov ernment to imme - diately work with the RCMP to restore rural commu- nity policing and provide adequate resources to protect Manitoba communities. This petition has been signed by many, many Manitobans: Gordon Coutts, Lorette Ferrier [phonetic], and Neil Porosky. Thank you. Mr.

Tyler Blashko, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair House Business The Deputy Speaker: The honourable member for Interlake-Gimli (Mr. Johnson), on House Business. Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): Honourable Speaker, pursuant to rule 34(8), I am announcing that the private member's resolution to be considered on next Thursday of private members' business will be one previously put forward by the honourable member for Roblin (Mrs. Cook). The title of the reso lution is School Tax and Education Property Tax Increases.

The Deputy Speaker: It has been announced pursuant to rule 34(8)–I am announcing that the private member's reso lution to be considered on the next Thursday of private members' busi ness will be one previously put forward by the honourable member for Roblin. The title of the reso lution is School Tax and Education Property Tax Increases. Back to petitions. Location of Safe Injection Sites Mr. Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): I wish to present the following petition to the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The Province of Manitoba has filed paperwork with the federal government proposing the esta blish- ment of a drug injection site for illegal drugs at 200 Disraeli Fwy. without sufficient public consultation.

(2) The decision to locate the facility at 200 Disraeli was made despite that the site is located in the immediate vicinity of a daycare centre, a high school and multiple community gathering sites, including churches and cultural institutions.

(3) Residents, business owners and community organizations have raised concerns that the location is incompatible with nearby institutions serving thou - sands of youth and families, and believe it will erode public safety and confidence in the area.

(4) Existing community consultations specifically ignored concerns about public safety and were criticized by community members for being artificial and scripted.

(5) The provincial government has failed to intro- duce legislation and regulations to control where drug injection sites can be located.

(6) Other provinces are closing drug injection sites and adopting a recovery model, following the expertise of groups such as the Canadian Centre of Recovery Excellence.

(7) This decision to ignore the experts will leave people suspended in addiction and will not give Manitobans their lives or their loved ones back.

(8) The provincial government has failed to fund and operate any treatment or additional Rapid Access to Addictions Medicine clinics to break this cycle. * (14:50) We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to cancel drug injection sites in the Point Douglas community,

2732 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 including the one –the proposed location at 200 Disraeli Fwy.

(2) To urge the provincial government to legislate that no further site will be proposed without community support. This petition has been signed by many, many, many Manitobans. Thank you. Opposition to Releasing Repeat Offenders Mr. Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): Honourable Deputy Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background to this petition is as follows: Kellie Verwey–

(1) Kellie Verwey, a beloved young woman from Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, was tragic- ally killed in a car crash caused by a repeat violent offender with a long criminal history.

(2) Despite repeated violations of his bail con- ditions, the offender was free to roam the streets and to ultimately claim Kellie's life. This tragedy was entirely preventable.

(3) While the Criminal Code falls under federal jurisdiction, provinces have been given the respon- sibility for the administration of justice, allowing for meaningful provincial action on bail reform to ensure public safety.

(4) Other provinces have taken proactive steps to strengthen bail enforcement, but Manitoba has not used all of the available tools to address this issue effectively.

(5) The provincial government has the ability and the responsibility to advocate for and implement measures that protect its citizens by ensuring that repeat violent offenders are not released into our communities without proper safeguards.

(6) Action–immediate action–is required to close gaps in the justice system that allow dangerous criminals to remain free, which puts innocent Manitobans at risk. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to take immediate and decisive action on bail reform to address serious deficits in enforcement by utilizing all available provincial mechanisms to strengthen war - rant enforcement, increasing bail supervision and opposing release of offenders, thus ensuring that repeat violent offenders are held accountable and that public safety is prioritized over leniency; and

(2) To urge the provincial government to lobby the federal government to immediately repeal pro - visions of the Criminal Code that allow for the continued victimization of law -abiding Manitobans while granting repeat offenders additional rights. Honourable Deputy Speaker, this petition was signed by Stephen Sutileg [phonetic], Doug Williams and Alexandre Lamaux-Tremblay [phonetic] and many, many, many other Manitobans. Location of Safe Injection Sites MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): I wish to present the following petition. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The Province of Manitoba has filed paperwork with the federal government proposing the establish of a drug injection site for illegal drugs at 200 Disraeli Fwy. without sufficient public consultation.

(2) The decision to locate the facility at 200 Disraeli was made despite the site is located in the immediate vicinity of a daycare centre, a high school and multiple community gathering sites, including churches and cultural institutions.

(3) Residents, business owners and community organizations have raised concerns that the location is incompatible with nearby institutions serving thou - sands of youths and family, and believe it will erode public safety and confidence in the area.

(4) Existing community consultations specifically ignored concerns about public safety and were criticized by community members for being artificial and scripted.

(5) The provincial government has failed to introduce legislation and regulations to control where drug injection sites can be located.

(6) Other provinces are closing drug injection sites and adopting a recovery model, following the expertise of 'groots' –groups such as the Canadian Centre of Recovery Excellence.

(7) This decision to ignore the experts will leave the people–leave people suspended in addiction and will not give Manitobans their lives or their loved ones back.

(8) The provincial government has failed to fund and operate any treatment or additional Rapid Access to Addictions Medicine clinics to break this cycle.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2733 We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoban– Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to cancel drug injection sites in the Point Douglas community, including the proposed location at 200 Disraeli Fwy.

(2) To urge the provincial government to legislate that no further site will be proposed without community support. And this has been signed by many, many, many Manitobans. Thank you, honourable Deputy Speaker. Mrs. Kathleen Cook (Roblin): I wish to present the following petition. To the Legis lative Assembly of Manitoba, the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The Province of Manitoba has filed paperwork with the federal government proposing the estab - lishment of a drug injection site for illegal drugs at 200 Disraeli Fwy. without sufficient public consultation.

(2) The decision to locate the facility at 200 Disraeli was made despite that the site is located in the immediate vicinity of a daycare centre, a high school and multiple community gathering sites, including churches and cultural institutions.

(3) Residents, business owners and community organizations have raised concerns that the location is incompatible with nearby institutions serving thou - sands of youths and families, and believe it will erode public safety and confidence in the area.

(4) Existing community consultations specifically ignored concerns about public safety and were criticized by community members for being artificial and scripted.

(5) The provincial government has failed to introduce legislation and regulations to control where jug–drug injection sites can be located. * (15:00)

(6) Other provinces are closing drug injection sites and adopting a recovery model, following the expertise of groups such as the Canadian Centre of Recovery Excellence.

(7) This decision to ignore the experts will leave people suspended in addiction and will not give Manitobans their lives or their loved ones back.

(8) The provincial government has failed to fund and operate any treatment or additional Rapid Access to Addictions Medicine clinics to break this cycle. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to cancel drug injection sites in the Point Douglas community, including the proposed location at 200 Disraeli Fwy.

(2) To urge the provincial government to legislate that no future site will be proposed without community support. And this petition is signed by Blanche Bouchard, Ralph Bruenger, Shaun Finnigan, and many, many other Manitobans. Opposition to Releasing Repeat Offenders Mr. Wayne Ewasko (Lac du Bonnet): Thank you, honourable Deputy Speaker. I wish to present the following petition, and the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Kellie Verwey, a beloved young woman from Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, was tragically killed in a car crash caused by a repeat violent offender with a long criminal history.

(2) Despite repeated violations of his bail conditions, the offender was free to roam the streets and to ultimately claim Kellie's life. This tragedy was entirely preventable.

(3) While the Criminal Code fails –pardon me – while the Criminal Code falls under federal juris - diction, provinces have been given the responsibility for the administration of justice, allowing for meaningful provincial action on bail reform to ensure public safety.

(4) Other provinces have taken proactive steps to strengthen bail enforcement, but Manitoba has not used all of the available tools to address this issue effectively.

(5) The provincial government has the ability and the responsibility to advocate for and implement measures that protect its citizens by ensuring that repeat violent offenders are not released into our communities without proper safeguards.

(6) Immediate action is required to close gaps in the justice system that allow dangerous criminals to remain free, which puts innocent Manitobans at risk.

2734 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to take immediate and decisive action on bail reform to address serious deficits in enforcement by utilizing all available provincial mechanisms to strengthen warrant enforcement, increasing bail supervision and oppo- sing release of offenders, thus ensuring that repeat offenders–repeat violent offenders–are held account- able and that public safety is prioritized over leniency; and

(2) To urge the provincial government to lobby the federal government to immediately repeal provisions of the Criminal Code that allow for the continued victimization of law -abiding Manitobans while granting repeat offenders additional rights. This petition is signed by Tosha Hotel, Debbie Spratt, Lori Buhatu [phonetic], and many, many more fine Manitobans, honourable Deputy Speaker. Mr. Kelvin Goertzen (Steinbach): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislature. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Kellie Verwey, a beloved young woman from Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, was tragically killed in a car crash caused by a repeat violent offender with a long criminal history.

(2) Despite repeated violations of his bail conditions, the offender was free to roam the streets and to ultimately claim Kellie's life. This tragedy was entirely preventable.

(3) While the Criminal Code falls under federal jurisdiction, provinces have been given the respon- sibility for the administration of justice, allowing for meaningful provincial action on bail reform to ensure public safety.

(4) Other provinces have taken proactive steps to strengthen bail enforcement, but Manitoba has not used all the available tools to address this issue effectively.

(5) The provincial government has the ability and the responsibility to advocate for and implement measures that protect its citizens by ensuring that repeat violent offenders are not released into our communities without proper safeguards.

(6) Immediate action is required to close gaps in the justice system that allow dangerous criminals to remain free, which puts innocent Manitobans at risk. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to take immediate and decisive action on bail reform to address serious deficits in enforcement by utilizing all available provincial mechanisms to strengthen warrant enforcement, increasing bail supervision and oppo- sing release of offenders, thus ensuring that repeat violent offenders are held accountable and that public safety is prioritized over leniency; and

(2) To urge the provincial government to lobby the federal government to immediately repeal provisions of the Criminal Code that allow for the continued victimization of law -abiding Manitobans while granting repeat offenders additional rights. And, honourable Deputy Speaker, this petition is signed by Rob Doama, Cameron Fingas, Randall Fraser and many other Manitobans. Funding Crime Cost Mitigation for Small Business Mr. Josh Guenter (Borderland): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Small businesses are vital in supporting their local economy, and the prov incial government has a responsibility to act and support them.

(2) The recent increase in vigilantism shows that Manitobans do not trust this provincial government to fulfill its responsibility.

(3) More than half –54 per cent–of small busi- nesses in Manitoba are impacted by crime. Property damage, theft, littering and public intoxication are some of the crimes that affect most businesses, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. There has been a 44 per cent increase in shoplifting incidents over the last year.

(4) In order to combat this rise of crime, small businesses try, unaided, to implement various out-of- pocket security measures and safety training for their staff and they face increasing costs when they incur property damage or theft. * (15:10)

(5) Vandalism, break-ins and other senseless acts cannot be accepted as a cost of doing busi ness for businesses throughout Manitoba, and the provincial government must do more to ease the burdens small

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2735 businesses are carrying with its catch -and-release justice system.

(6) Failing to support small businesses is failing the Manitoba economy, failing Manitoba families and failing Manitobans' dreams.

(7) The security rebate program in place for homeowners and small businesses does not cover the real costs impacting businesses, such as vandalism, property damage and repairs. We urge the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to support Manitoba small businesses through specific funding to reimburse the expenses and insurance deductibles that they incur as a result of crime. This petition has been signed by many, many, many, many Manitobans. Opposition to Releasing Repeat Offenders Mr. Trevor King (Lakeside): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. And the background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Kellie Verwey, a beloved young woman from Portage la Prairie, Manitoba, was tragically killed in a car crash caused by a repeat violent offender with a long criminal history.

(2) Despite repeated violations of his bail conditions, the offender was free to roam the streets and to ultimately claim Kellie's life. This tragedy was entirely preventable.

(3) While the Criminal Code falls under federal jurisdiction, provinces have been given the respon- sibility for the administration of justice, allowing for meaningful provincial action on bail reform to ensure public safety.

(4) Other provinces have taken proactive steps to strengthen bail enforcement, but Manitoba has not used all the available tools to address this issue effectively.

(5) The provincial government has the ability and the responsibility to advocate for and implement measures that protect its citizens by ensuring that repeat violent offenders are not released into our communities without proper safeguards.

(6) Immediate action is required to close gaps in the justice system that allow dangerous criminals to remain free, which puts innocent Manitobans at risk. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the provincial government to take immediate and decisive action on bail reform to address serious deficits in enforcement by utilizing all available provincial mechanisms to strengthen warrant enforcement, increasing bail supervision and opposing release of offenders, thus ensuring that repeat violent offenders are held accountable and that public safety is prioritized over leniency; and

(2) To urge the provincial government to lobby the federal government to immediately repeal provisions of the Criminal Code that allow for the continued victimization of law -abiding Manitobans while granting repeat offenders additional rights. This petition has been signed by Shelley Krause, Kim Ritz and Shelley Eros and many, many, many other Manitobans. Thank you. The Deputy Speaker: Before I call on the next presenter, I'll–we're a little out of practice; second day of session.

We are allowed to name three names at the end of a petition, and we are allowed to use the word many twice at the end of our petition. Death of Jordyn Reimer–Judicial Review Request MLA Bob Lagassé (Dawson Trail): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background of this petition is as follows:

(1) On May 1, 2022, Jordyn Reimer, 24 years of age, was killed by an impaired driver while she was acting as a designated driver.

(2) There are two people legally culpable for her death: the impaired driver and the accomplice. The driver was charged, but the second criminal, the accomplice, has not been held accountable.

(3) A concerned citizen took the keys from the impaired driver earlier in the evening to ensure he could not drive impaired. The accomplice retrieved the keys from this citizen under false pretense and knowingly provided the impaired driver with access to the vehicle.

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(4) The Winnipeg Police Service, WPS, investi - gation provided adequate evidence to meet charging standards and recom mended charges be laid against the accomplice. The Crown prosecutors declined to prosecute the accomplice. The family of Jordyn Reimer has called for the prosecution of the accomplice and that the decision to not prosecute be reviewed independently.

(6) As recently as 2022, there is a precedent to refer criminal files of decisions to not proceed with prosecution to extra-provincial departments of justice for review –sorry. This was done with the Peter Nygård file, which ultimately led to a reversal in the decision not to prosecute, and charges were laid.

(7) An out -of-province review is supported by MADD Canada, MADD Manitoba and by Manitobans.

(8) The family has exhausted every avenue within the existing system. In the absence of a prescribed process when a disagreement exists on charging standards, the only option is to request an independent out-of-province review.

(9) In December 2024, the Winnipeg police –the WPS reported an alarming number of impaired drivers in the holiday Check Stop program, e xtending criminal culpability beyond the driver to those who engage in overt actions to facilitate impaired driving.

(10) Manitobans deserve to have confi dence in their provincial gov ernment and justice systems to make decisions that achieve true justice for victims and their families. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial gov ernment to order an out-of-province review of the prosecutor's decision to not prosecute the accomplice in the death of Jordyn Reimer. This petition has been signed by many, many Manitobans. Green Valley School Expansion Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. * (15:20) The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The residents of La Vérendrye and other areas around Manitoba are extremely frustrated and concerned by the provincial government's decision to cancel the school expansion project for Green Valley School in Grunthal.

(2) In 2021, the PC provincial government com- mitted funding to expand Green Valley School for a new gymnasium and classrooms.

(3) The school is so crowded that three mobile classrooms were added to alleviate overcrowding in classrooms.

(4) In order for construction to begin, the school removed all three portable classrooms, leaving Green Valley in a further critical state of overcrowding.

(5) As a result of overcrowding, parents are choosing to home-school their children due to safety concerns and the challenges associated with overcrowding.

(6) The current Premier of Manitoba and the Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning have said they are committed to investing in education.

(7) The concerns of residents of La Vérendrye and the surrounding area are being ignored by the prov- incial government.

(8) The lack of space in the school is affecting the quality of education and extracurricular activities for students.

(9) The minister and Premier have a duty to respond to the educational needs of children and youth identified by rural communities. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the Minister of Edu cation and Early Childhood Learning to imme diately bring back the three portable classrooms to help alleviate the stress and overcrowding classrooms.

(2) To urge the provincial government to reinstate the expansion project for Green Valley School. This petition has been signed by Kitana McDougal, Leona Friesen, Raymond Friesen and many, many other Manitobans. Provincial Trunk Highway 45 Mr. Greg Nesbitt (Riding Mountain): Honourable Deputy Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2737 These are the reasons for this petition:

(1) Upgrading Provincial Trunk Highway 45 will accelerate economic development as it will enhance connectivity, facilitate efficient transportation and promote economic growth in the region.

(2) Economic development will be further enhanced as improved road infrastructure attracts businesses, encourages investment and creates job opportunities.

(3) Roads meeting the Roads and Transportation Association of Canada, RTAC, standards improve both safety and efficiency, as they can handle heavier loads, reducing the number of trips required for goods transportation.

(4) Safer roads further benefit both commuters and commercial vehicles, minimizing accidents and damage.

(5) Upgrading to RTAC standards ensures resilience to challenges caused by climate change, such as thawing and flooding, which negatively impact road conditions.

(6) Efficient transportation networks contribute to Manitoba's economic competitiveness, as upgraded roads support interprovincial and international goods movement, benefiting both trade and commerce. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure to take the necessary steps to upgrade Provincial Trunk Highway 45 from Russell to Provincial Trunk Highway 10 to meet RTAC standards. This petition has been signed by Kim Flintoft, Nikki Bender, Lori Cook and many, many Manitobans.

Thank you, honourable Deputy Speaker. * * * * (15:30) The Deputy Speaker: Order, please. The hour being 3:30 p.m., in accordance with rule 2(23b), I am inter rupting petitions to terminate routine proceedings and imme diately proceed to orders of the day, government business. ORDERS OF THE DAY (Continued) GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): On House busi ness?

Okay, on House busi ness, hon- ourable Deputy Speaker, can you please call second reading of Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act; followed by Bill 12, The Housing and Renewal Corporation Amendment Act– actually, honourable Speaker, I'm going to fix that for one minute. Let's start again.

Can you please call second reading of Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act; followed by Bill 23, The Public Interest Expression Defence Act ; followed by Bill 30, The Election Financing Amendment and Elections Amend ment Act; followed by Bill 12, The Housing and Renewal Corporation Amend ment Act; followed by Bill 40,

An Act respecting "O Canada" and Other Observances and Land and Treaty Acknowledgements in Schools (Education Administration Act and Public Schools Act Amended). The Deputy Speaker: Okay, it has been announced that we will be doing second readings of Bill 8, Bill 23, Bill 30, Bill 12 and Bill 5. [interjection] Apologies, resuming debate on Bill 40. SECOND READINGS Bill 8–The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act The Deputy Speaker: And so we will start with Bill 8. We will start with the hon ourable Minister of Justice. Hon.

Matt Wiebe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I move, seconded by the Minister respon- sible for Sport, Culture, Heritage and Tourism (MLA Kennedy), that Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act, be now read a second time and referred to a committee of this House. Motion presented. Mr. Wiebe: Very pleased to rise in the House this afternoon to speak at second reading of Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act. Ultimately, hon ourable Speaker, safety for all Manitobans is a prime priority for this govern ment.

By addressing some of the root causes of crime and focusing on prevention, we have the potential to divert young people away from our criminal justice system.

2738 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 One of the ways we know that we can do this is by strengthening the guardrails that help keep addictive substances like liquor out of the hands of young people in our province. This bill that's before the House will do just that. It will give the gov ernment broad powers to create regulations under The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Act spe cifically designed to protect young people.

Specifically, it will enable us to prohibit liquor service licences from being issued in the kinds of busi nesses t hat attract minors, such as convenience stores in urban areas. Under the current regulatory framework, general liquor service licences are issued to busi nesses such as restaurants and bars, where liquor is consumed, of course, on site. Some convenience stores sell food for consumption in dining areas within their premises, allowing them to hold liquor service licences.

However, minors are known to frequent these stores –these convenience stores –which allow them to see adult customers purchasing and consuming liquor. Bill 8 will allow the government to restrict eligibility for liquor service licences, designating specific kinds of businesses in certain areas as being ineligible for this type of licence. We have all seen young people gathering with friends and teammates at convenience stores in the city, buying chips or candy or a Slurpee. In fact, many convenience stores rely on these kinds of purchases by young people to sustain their businesses.

Our govern ment does not consider this type of business to be compatible with liquor service. By introducing legislation that provides a legal mechan- ism to restrict liquor service, we will be able to reinforce protections for minors, keeping liquor out of the corner stores in urban areas. Our government understands that business oppor- tunities can differ between urban and rural settings. For example, a licensed dining room in a rural con- venience store may be one of the few establish ments that provides liquor service in a community.

So, by creating this regula tion-making power, it will allow us to limit liquor licences only in certain areas, and this bill balances the safety of minors with the flexibility that businesses ask for across our diverse province. I hope that all members of this House will come together to support this bill and I thank you for the time, Honourable Speaker. Questions The Deputy Speaker: A question period of up to 15 minutes will be held.

Questions may be addressed to the minister by any op position or in dependent member in the following sequence: first question by the official opposition critic or designate; subsequent questions asked by critics or designates from other recognized op position parties; subsequent questions asked by each independent member; remaining ques- tions asked by any opposing member. And no question or answer shall exceed 45 seconds. Mr. Trevor King (Lakeside): Thank you, honour - able Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity to ask some questions here.

Why not just allow the municipalities to decide where and when alcohol can be served in their com - munities through zoning and bylaws? Hon. Matt Wiebe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): And thank you to the critic for the question. It is impor tant to note that we have a regula tory framework that exists through the LGCA here in the province of Manitoba and, of course, that helps us have some uniformity across the province.

However, I will note that this bill does give us the flexibility to work with municipalities, to understand their specific needs and to make sure that those busi - nesses are protected as well. Mrs. Colleen Robbins (Spruce Woods): Does this bill apply in rural areas? Can a small -town grocery store that has a Liquor Mart also have a dining room and service area? Mr. Wiebe: And a big welcome to our newest member of the Legislature, the member for Spruce Woods, and I think she did a great job on her first question. Of course, her first time–opportunity to speak was yester- day.

She did a great job, so welcome here and welcome to the team. The Speaker in the Chair With regards to her specific question, yes, there is flexibility built into this bill. Of course, that will be handled through the regulatory-making process. We're going to work closely with the LGTA to ensure that we respect and work with com munities to make sure that those businesses are protected. Mrs. Robbins: Why does the province need to restrict or stop licence for some thing that is fairly ordinary and done in Ontario and Alberta?

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2739 Mr. Wiebe: Well, of course, we're not in Alberta or Ontario. In fact, we're in Manitoba where we have a very strong and proud history of using our public regulatory body to ensure that these kinds of products aren't served around minors. My kids go to the store to get a Slurpee every now and again, and I want to make sure that they're not also accessing–or that folks aren't accessing–liquor in that same establishment. Let's keep them separate. Let's focus on the convenience stores and give busi nesses the opportunity to grow. Mrs.

Robbins: Are you never going to issue any more licence for these kinds of establishments? The Speaker: Order, please. I would just remind the member. I recognize that she's relatively new but all questions and comments need to be addressed through the Chair. You can't spe- cifically ask: are you doing something? Mr. Wiebe: Well, again, for the record, Honour able Speaker, I think the member for Spruce Woods (Mrs. Robbins) is doing a great job, so thanks for the question. Some Honourable Members: Hear, hear. Mr.

Wiebe: I believe the question was specific to new licences, so again this doesn't impact any of the existing licences, and in terms of new liquor licence, of course they're being issued all the time in the province and we want to make sure we're working with bus iness. Those busi nesses that want to serve alcohol in a responsible way, we want to enable them to do that. * (15:40) When it comes to convenience stores, we're going to be taking a look at this. We're going to be setting up a regula tory framework, and we know that busi - nesses are eager to work with us to make that happen. Mrs.

Robbins: How is the minister differentiating between these businesses from other kinds of restaurants? Mr. Wiebe: Again, I think a great question. First of all, the member opposite had asked specifically about urban versus rural Manitoba. There are some dif - ferentiation that we're going to be able to make there and make sure that we're bringing the appro priate regulations for rural establishments. That being said, within the context of an urban setting, a convenience store, you know, some thing that needs to be defined specifically in the regulations, we're going to be doing that work.

But I think it's pretty clear. If they're selling, you know, penny candy and Slurpees to kids, I would suggest that's not a place we should be serving alcohol. Mrs. Robbins: It is somewhat elitist that the minister allow a fine -dining restaurant to serve alcohol in a neighbourhood, but not a Chubby Chicken in a gas station that has dining area and a commercial kitchen and washrooms. Mr. Wiebe: Well, I'm not sure I heard a question there specifically, Honourable Speaker. If there was, I ask the member to clarify.

Again, what I'll say is, you know, gas stations should stick to selling gas, convenience stores should stick to selling Slurpees. And businesses that want to apply for a liquor licence, we want to work with them. We want to make sure that they're succes sful. Folks have heard many times the economic horse pulls the social cart; our Premier (Mr. Kinew) has said that many times. That's going to be our focus, and that's why we're working with business. Mrs.

Robbins: I'd like to know why the minister thinks that the urban children are at more risk than the rural children, as right now, rural children–if you've been outside of Winnipeg you will note that most alcohol facilities, Liquor Marts, are in our con- venience stores, grocery stores and pharmacies where children are allowed. Mr. Wiebe: Well, I feel like maybe the member opposite has lost the plot a little bit, and I do appre - ciate her new-found concern about restricting alcohol sales in those places that minors have access to.

So when it does come to com mittee time–we're going to have an opportunity to have the public com- mittee–I invite her to be there, make sure she puts on the record very clearly that she doesn't believe that alcohol sales should happen in rural settings where minors can access that. We're trying to find that nuanced balance, but it sounds like maybe she's taking a hard line when it comes to alcohol sales in her community. Mr. Konrad Narth (La Vérendrye): I'm sure the minister is well aware that the majority of liquor in Manitoba is sold through private licensees.

Many of those in rural Manitoba are in inde pendently owned stores that have access to everyone, and the con- venience is given to where the convenience is needed.

2740 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 So my question to the minister is: why will he not allow that where it's profitable for the gov ernment to run those stores and compete with private enterprise? Mr. Wiebe: Yes, I think maybe the member opposite's a little confused about this particular piece of legis - lation because what we're talking about is alcohol sales on site, in a restaurant that is essentially a con - venience store, and we're talking about urban areas. So there is a lot of concern within community.

We don't want to see alcohol being served or being promoted to kids; I think this is something we can all agree on. When it comes to working with specific businesses to ensure that they have the ability to, you know, to have a profitable busi ness in –under the regulatory framework, we're happy to work with them and be happy to work with anyone that he would like to connect us with. We're happy to work with them as part of the regulatory process. The Speaker: If there are no further questions– Mr. Narth: Just a clarification for the minister since he seems to think I'm confused.

I just want to clarify my question that currently, in rural settings where the Province of Manitoba, the government, doesn't deem it profitable to have a store opened and selling liquor, they're not in the business. But yet, in an urban setting, where the popula tion is more dense and it is more profitable, they are interested in being in the business. So is this a safety issue or a profitability issue for unionized workers in Manitoba? Mr. Wiebe: To the –you know, I'll take the member opposite's point. I think maybe the question and how he asked it confused me, so I'll take that on myself.

I was confused by the nature of the question. We work with our partners in rural Manitoba. We want to make sure, again, that their busi nesses are profitable. That's a big part of the work that we do through our regulatory powers at the LGCA. And, of course, we're happy to continue to work with them . This is about protecting kids, so if he's asking whether this is about, you know, some kind of balance sheet or whether it's about protecting kids, it's about protecting kids. Mr.

Derek Johnson (Interlake-Gimli): Yes, so there's lots of municipalities that are very, very vast, and they are over the 5,000 threshold, yet any parti cular town within that municipality is way, way under that threshold. But all the towns added up. How is it fair to force somebody to drive the 30 or 40 miles to the neighbouring liquor store rather than allowing one to open in a small town by them if the municipality is over 5,000 people? That's not fair for rural Manitoba. Mr.

Wiebe: Well, I guess we're getting into the B-team and C -team over here because we're now getting questions that clearly, obviously, the member opposite hasn't had the bill briefing, hasn't actually looked at the bill. First of all, we do not define what is an urban area; that's going to be done in regulation, so I welcome his input in that regard. But we're not talking about new liquor stores here; we're talking about licences for restaurants and service in a convenience store.

So I think he's a bit confused–he can check in with the critics that are assigned to this bill, or I'd be happy to maybe just pull him aside, we can have a chat about it. Mr. Johnson: Yes, it says municipality for rural areas, it doesn't necessarily say town as a geographical area. So a munici pality that is over 5,000 people, even though no single village or com munity in there is 5,000, they will not be allowed under this legis lation to have a liquor store in a community. Mr. Wiebe: This is not about liquor stores. The member opposite is confused.

Proposed legis lation will give the govern ment broad powers to create regulations that prohibits specific business types from being licensed for liquor service in certain areas. Concepts like convenience store and urban area will be defined in the regula tions. It's nothing to do with munici- palities, has nothing to do with the definition of an urban area. We're working with community and we're work- ing with vendors. We're going to make sure that we work with busi nesses, as we always do, throughout the province to make sure that folks have access legally and safely to alcohol in our province.

The Speaker: If there are no further questions –the honourable member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth). Mr. Narth: Thank you for the opportunity to ask the minister another question on this specific topic. And my question is, again, the viability and why it's limited to specific stores. So he had answered that it's about safety, but–yet, it defines the popula tion for discussion. So my question is: If it is about the safety, why has it not been reduced–or why has it been limited by the amount of population?

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2741 Mr. Wiebe: Okay, again, I think we're taking a new position once again. Members opposite delayed this bill for months and months and months. They could have taken some time to read it, maybe talk to people in rural Manitoba.

I would guarantee that people in rural Manitoba want to protect kids in the same way that people in Winnipeg and Brandon and Thompson and Selkirk want to protect the kids in their com mu- nities too. * (15:50) Now, what the nuance is, is that within those com- munities sometimes there are specific situations where there's only one esta blishment that can provide multiple services.

We're going to work with them to make sure that they can provide those multiple services while at the same time protecting the kids in those communities and making sure that those alcohol sales aren't done in a way that puts them at risk. MLA Bob Lagassé (Dawson Trail): So I'm mainly looking for a little bit of clarification because I know there's scenarios in rural Manitoba where a facility like a grocery store would be–or, a small convenience store–would be selling alcohol in their little Liquor Mart. Also, that same gas station a nd/or convenience store would also have a restaurant attached to it.

Would that restaurant then be allowed to sell liquor as well or is there a limitation according to this legis - lation? Mr. Wiebe: Well, you know, Honourable Speaker, if you've reached one Manitoban, you've –you know, you've had a suc cessful day maybe, and I think I've finally reached the member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth)–Dawson Trail–apologies. I will say that the exact kind of nuance that he's talking about is what's captured in this legis lation.

We're going to make sure that we understand within a smaller urban setting or a smaller rural setting there is a chance there there's a busi ness tha t does multiple functions. We're going to protect kids–that is the No. 1 goal of this bill–but we're going to do it in a way that works with commu nities and make sure that we're also respecting the nuance that exists out in rural Manitoba. We're happy to hear from him at the com mittee. I'm sure he'll be able to bring some good ideas to that process as well. The Speaker: The time for questions has ended. Debate The Speaker: The floor is open for debate.

No one– Mrs. Colleen Robbins (Spruce Woods): I rise today to speak against bill–this Bill 8, which amends The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Act. I cannot see any real reason for this bill other than to restrict consumer choice, limit free enterprise and undermine businesses in Manitoba at a time when they're already struggling. Bill 8 reduces choice for Manitoba. It prohibits certain businesses, such as convenience stores, from ever being eligible for liquor-service licences. Consumers should decide where they want to spend their money, not the government. This comes at the worst possible time.

Inflation is high, 'floodflation' is squeezing families, US tariffs are hitting our businesses, and Canada is in a technical recession. Bill 8 makes things worse by limiting competition. Bill 8 tells a business they're not trusted. It creates uncertainty by allowing rules to be changed overnight at the whim of a Cabinet. Businesses cannot thrive when government picks winners and losers. The NDP say they're worried about liquor sales near schools, but at the same time they just were planning not too long ago to have a govern ment- sanctioned drug-injection site across the street from a high school.

That is not consistent policy. In cities, Liquor Marts are the main source of alcohol; in rural Manitoba, small, private stores and groceries have long sold alcohol responsi bility. That system works. Yet the NDP now claim that a corner store in the urban area selling alcohol would somehow be the downfall of society. This is not about public safety. The reality is the NDP do not want competition for Liquor Marts. Bill 8 shields a govern ment monopoly while pretending to protect communities. Municipalities already have zoning tools to decide where businesses should operate.

Bill 8 strips that authority away and hands it to the minister and LGCA. This is unnecessary centralization. At a time when Manitoba needs more op portun- ities, more investment and more consumer choice, Bill 8 closes doors instead of opening them. It risks costing jobs, businesses and growth. Honourable Speaker, Bill 8 does not solve a prob- lem; it restricts choice, discourages businesses and divides Manitobans. It protects L iquor Marts from

2742 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 competition instead of supporting entrepreneurs. And it treats rural and urban consumers differently without reason. This is a wrong approach at the wrong time. Manitoba needs opportunity and fairness, not more restrictions. For those reasons, I cannot support Bill 8. I grow up–I've grown up and I've been in rural Manitoba all my life, and all my life, there has been private liquor stores in my communities. I have never seen an issue that was caused that put children in danger, the same danger that would happen in Winnipeg. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I cannot support this bill for the reasonings of the misinformation that it drives to businesses, that the profits aren't there for them, but only for government. Thank you, honour. Mr. Trevor King (Lakeside): Thank you for the opportunity to rise here today and speak of Bill 8. I do want to congratulate my colleague from Spruce Woods for becoming– well, No. 1, the oppor tunity to stand today, for first opportunity to speak on a bill, and also to become the new critic for liquor and lotteries. But I appreciate the opportunity to stand here today, too, being the former critic.

Now, Bill 8 here, we're finding is limiting our opportunities in both rural and urban Manitoba for the reasons of new busi ness owners look for different opportunities to capitalize on their businesses. We have many new Canadians that are buying con- venience stores and whatnot, and selling liquor could be an option. And yet, the NDP continues to use the leverage of keeping it away from our kids.

As my colleague from Spruce Woods had men - tioned, much the same in rural Manitoba for me where I come from, just about every small town has a liquor store in it, just down the street from the high school or the elementary school. So to me, it's a pretty lame reason for having to introduce this legis lation when we believe that it'll give consumers more choice, no matter where they are in Manitoba, whether it be urban or rural.

In my little town there of Warren, where I live, we've–the liquor store has moved about three different times over the years, and it's always been–the kids all walk by it every day to get from the elementary school to the high school to jump on the bus. So it was certainly–didn't create any issues there that we're aware of. But that's just how it is in small-town Manitoba.

Now, another concern about this bill, and we're starting to see it now from the passing of Bill 9, Honourable Speaker, back in the spring with the cannabis bill, is –and my colleague from Interlake - Gimli brought it up there earlier –was the population. Now, I have constituents and busi ness people that want to set up cannabis stores in other areas of Manitoba, but they can't because of the population of the municipality being collectively too great for them to set up in the small, small town within that munici- pality.

So it's con cerning that–moving forward with this bill, that we could run into the same type of problems with busi ness owners wanting to set up in small-town and urban places, in Winnipeg, Thompson, Brandon or where it might be. So it is definitely a concern. That's why we oppose this bill, because those consumer choices– * (16:00) The Speaker: Order, please. The hour being 4 o'clock–4 p.m., I'm interrupting debate in accordance with subrule 2(23). Within two sitting days of the resumption of the fall sitting, the questions for second reading of designated bills must be put.

On this day, the minister moving the second reading motion can speak for a maximum of 10 minutes, followed by up to a 15-minute question period. Critics of recognized parties and independent members may then speak for a maximum of 10 minutes per bill. If such a bill had been previously called for debate, all remaining actions just identified will be dealt with before the questions will be put. The House will not adjourn until second readings are completed. Accordingly, I will now call for resuming debate on Bill 8, the liquor and gaming and cannabis control amendment act.

Are there any inde pendent members wishing to speak to the bill? Seeing none, is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question. The Speaker: The question before the House is second reading of Bill 8, the liquor and gaming and cannabis control amendment act. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Some Honourable Members: Agreed. Some Honourable Members: No. The Speaker: I hear a no.

October 2, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2743 Voice Vote The Speaker: All those in the House in favour of the motion, please say aye. Some Honourable Members: Aye. The Speaker: All those opposed, please say nay. Some Honourable Members: Nay. The Speaker: In my opinion, the Ayes have it. Recorded Vote Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): Honourable Speaker, a recorded vote. The Speaker: A recorded vote has been called for. Please call in the members. * (17:00) The Speaker: Order, please. The one hour for the ringing of the division bells has expired.

I am therefore directing the division bells be turned off and the House proceed to the vote. All–so the question before the House is second reading of Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act. Division A RECORDED VOTE was taken, the result being as follows: Ayes Asagwara, Blashko, Brar, Bushie, Cable, Chen, Compton, Corbett, Cross, Dela Cruz, Devgan, Kennedy, Kinew, Kostyshyn, Lamoureux, Loiselle, Maloway, Marcelino, Moroz, Moses, Moyes, Naylor, Oxenham, Pankratz, Redhead, Sala, Sandhu, Schmidt, Schott, Simard, Smith, Wiebe.

Nays Balcaen, Byram, Cook, Ewasko, Guenter, Johnson, Khan, King, Lagassé, Narth, Nesbitt, Perchotte, Piwniuk, Robbins, Schuler, Stone, Wharton, Wowchuk. Clerk (Mr. Rick Yarish): Ayes 32, Nays 18. The Speaker: I declare the motion carried. Bill 12–The Housing and Renewal Corporation Amendment Act The Speaker: We will now proceed to second reading of Bill 12, The Housing and Renewal Cor poration Amendment Act. Hon.

Bernadette Smith (Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness): I move, seconded by the Minister of Health, Seniors and Long- Term Care (MLA Asagwara), that Bill 12, The Housing and Renewal Corporation Amendment Act, now be read a second time and referred to a committee of this House. Motion presented. Ms. Smith: Our government has made housing afford- ability a top priority to ensure that all Manitobans have a place to call home. Affordable housing helps reduce poverty, build safer com munities and support stable families.

The purpose of The Housing and Renewal Corporation Act includes ensuring that there is adequate supply of housing in Manitoba and improves the affordability of housing for tenants with low -to- moderate incomes or with special needs. The current act does not have a check and balance over the sale or transfer of buildings that have received public funding. Without checks and balances, sales of affordable housing and unaffordable rent increases happened when the previous govern ment sold off social housing. They sell; we build.

The proposed amendment will protect Manitobans and their public invest ments in affordable housing. It supports our govern ment's priorities to ensure that there is adequate supply of affordable housing Manitoban–in Manitoba and that housing remains affordable. The recent sale of Lions Place, a seniors non-profit housing complex in Winnipeg, to an Alberta -based for-profit real estate company, raised concerns that future sales or changes of owner ship of housing that receive public funds may result in signi ficant rent increases and a loss of social and affordabl e housing units.

The Lions Place sale prompted Manitobans to advocate for the prevention of future sales of publicly funded housing. So, Honourable Speaker, we listened to Manitobans, and Bill 12 will ensure that an owner of a funded building cannot sell or demolish and–or–a building or use the building for a purpose other than social and affordable housing without the prior written consent of the Manitoba Housing Renewal Corporation.

This legislation would apply to all projects that receive at least 15 per cent provincial funding or federal funding under the Social Housing Agreement for the cost of acquisition, rehabilitation, conversion or construction in the form of grants, loans or mortgage

2744 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 2, 2025 financing and funding agree ments entered into for new agreements or expiring or existing agreements after the date law comes into effect, owners, subsequent owners or leases of 21 years or more. * (17:10) So this will affect over 150 existing projects with over 5,000 units–rental units. There's–they're expected to be covered by this legislation, so these are all new projects that receive at least 15 per cent of this funding from the Province that will be covered.

Quebec passed similar legis lation in 2022 that required non-profit housing organizations to receive approval from the minister before the sale of any asset funded by the Province or federal funding for building acquisition, restoration or renovation. So, Honour able Speaker, Bill 12 will protect Manitobans by provi ding a measure of control over the sale or transfer of buildings that have received public funding that will help preserve our social and affordable housing stock over the long term.

I invite all members of this House to support Bill 12, which will protect taxpayers' public invest - ments in affordable housing. Miigwech, Honourable Speaker. Questions The Speaker: A question period of up to 15 minutes will be held. Each will follow a rotation for questions and the floor is now open for questions. Ms. Jodie Byram (Agassiz): Thank you to the minister. I just want to start off by asking who was con- sulted when you were working on preparing this bill. Hon. Bernadette Smith (Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness): So thank you for that question. So Manitobans were consulted.

They were really concerned about the previous govern ment, PC gov- ernment, selling off Lions Manor. They approached us, asked us to protect taxpayers' money and ensure that any invest ment 15 per cent or more is protected so that affordable housing stays affordable. Unlike the previous government who sold off, we will continue to build. We will continue to ensure that taxpayers' money is secured and that we are ensuring that affordable housing stays affordable, unlike the previous government. Ms.

Byram: The minister made reference to having checks and balances included in this bill, and I'm just wondering if she is able to share with us here in the Hou

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