Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 17 May 2007 (45th General Assembly, 4th Session, Vol. XLV No. 15)

2007-05-17

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 17 May 2007 (45th General Assembly, 4th Session, Vol. XLV No. 15)

2007-05-17

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

May 17, 2007 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV No. 15

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit Strangers.

This afternoon we are very pleased to welcome ten representatives from the

Senior Resource Centre - Multi-culture Group here in St. John's, together with

their Program Coordinator, Ms Clarice Cole.

A very special welcome to the House of Assembly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: This afternoon we have members' statements as follows: The

hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave; the hon. the Member for the

District of Ferryland; the hon. the Member for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair; the hon. the Member for the District of Conception Bay South; the hon.

the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi, and the hon. the Member

for the District of Trinity-Bay de Verde.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, I rise in this House today to extend

congratulations to the Town of Bay Roberts who recently were officially

proclaimed the national winner of WinterLights Celebrations.

Mr. Speaker, the town received a five-star rating at the sixth national

WinterLights Celebrations recently held in Ottawa. Communities are evaluated on

visual presentation, winter pleasures, festive season celebrations, goodwill

programs and tourism promotion. WinterLights is a component of Communities in

Bloom.

Bay Roberts was officially proclaimed the national winner in the Winners

Circle: Small Category in the 2006 WinterLights Celebrations. The award

recognized Amalgamated Academy in Bay Roberts for its community spirit and

goodwill programs.

Mr. Speaker, one of the reasons the town has such great success at

WinterLights is its sense of community pride from the residents and students,

along with superior programming.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join with me in extending

congratulations to the Town of Bay Roberts, its residents, students and

volunteer organizers who contributed to winning the National WinterLights

Celebration Award for 2006.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Ferryland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HUTCHINGS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in this hon. House today to ask members to join with me

in recognizing the accomplishment of the Stella Maris School boys basketball

team and their achievement in winning the under fifteen Provincial B Basketball

Championship on April 29. This event was hosted by St. Kevin's School with

teams competing from Beaconsfield, Dunne Memorial, St. Catherine's, I.J.

Samson and St. Peter's.

The name Stella Maris has been synonymous with basketball in both girls and

boys basketball in the Province over the past decades. Teams from this region

have competed and won high school championships in the 4A division, the highest

and most competitive in high school divisions. Actually, many graduates of

Stella Maris have gone on to play and coach university basketball, including

representing our Province's own university, Memorial at the national stage.

With the recent team from Stella Maris winning the provincial championship,

the region continues in the steep tradition of successful basketball teams. What

makes this achievement even more astounding is recognizing the number of

students the team had to draw from and the fact the schools competing have much

higher enrollments. It is indeed a tribute to the community, the players, and

coaches that they commit themselves to a program of excellence and continue the

strong tradition of competitive basketball programs in the Trepassey region.

I would like to recognize the members of the championship team, including:

Zachery Brown, Blaine Carew, Tyler Coombs, Carlton Hartery, Edward Kenny,

William Kenny, Jake Pennell, Jordon Pennell, Brad Waddleton, Jarett Waddleton,

Ronnie Ward, Stephen White and Coach, Mark Pennell.

I again congratulate the Stella Maris basketball team and ask all members to

join with me in extending best wishes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in the House today to extend congratulations to a woman entrepreneur

Corina is from Forteau, Labrador, and has been honoured with the Entrepreneur of

the Year Award from the Newfoundland and Labrador Organization of Women

Entrepreneurs at a gala event at the Fairmont Hotel on April 26, 2007.

Since 1998, the NLOWE Entrepreneur of the Year awards have been awarded to

the Province's most successful female entrepreneurs for their contributions to

the economy. Seven women entrepreneurs from around the Province were honoured

with the award this year. These outstanding women entrepreneurs contribute

significantly to our provincial economy and serve as role models for all women

entrepreneurs.

currently Managing Director of the company. She is a professional General

Accountant and has thirteen years managerial and administration experience

working for one of Canada's largest enterprises, the Hudson's Bay Company.

Corina's positive and organized work ethic, as well as her well-rounded

communication skills, has enable here to provide top-notch customer service to

her clients and triple sales at the company. She is now in the process of adding

a new embroidery line to her company called, Canadian Stitches. She is

aggressively marketing the business by developing an e-commerce Web site,

running radio advertising campaigns, and now publishing a professional

catalogue.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join with me in extending

congratulations to Corina Dumaresque, who was honoured with the Entrepreneur of

the Year Award for Labrador from the Newfoundland and Labrador Organization of

Women Entrepreneurs.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Conception Bay South.

MR. FRENCH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Just before I read my statement, I want to acknowledge the Member for

Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair, who contributed to this member's statement, as a

good friend of Mr. Bob Hardy whom I will be talking about here in a minute.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in this House today to honour three Community Safety

Champions: Carrie Young, Bob Hardy and Greg Lawlor, three residents of

Conception Bay South, for lifesaving actions following an all-terrain vehicle

accident on December 31, 2006.

Sadly, fifteen-year-old Kenneth Howe drowned when the ATV on which he and two

other teens were riding broke through the ice on Lawrence Pond last New Year's

Eve. As tragic as this accident was for the Howe family and the entire

community, there is no doubt the actions of three Safety Champions prevented

further loss of life.

Carrie Young from Foxtrap, the fourteen-year-old, was a passenger on the ATV

and, although her own life was in danger, she saw that fellow passenger Nicholas

Hann was struggling. She swam to him, took the life ring that had been thrown to

her and, instead, placed it around him, and helped keep him afloat until both

were rescued.

Bob Hardy, a resident of Upper Gullies, whose home overlooks the pond,

noticed at that particular time of that horrific night, the lights of the

all-terrain vehicle suddenly disappeared and immediately called 911. He, too,

ended up in the water briefly as he began a rescue attempt. He was able to toss

a life ring that was on his wharf to the accident victims and assisted with the

rescue.

Greg Lawlor, a ten-year veteran of the Conception Bay South Volunteer Fire

Department and instructor with the Marine Institute, was the first rescuer on

the scene. He donned a floatation jacket, moved out on the ice, and entered the

frigid water to pull the two survivors to safety.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members of this House to join with me in

recognizing the three Community Safety Champions: Carrie Young, Bob Hardy and

Greg Lawlor.

Mr. Speaker, also, our condolences to the family of the late Kenneth Howe,

who lost his life on that tragic night. Our prayers are with them.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in the House today to advise members that May 17 is International Day

Against Homophobia. This morning, I attended a breakfast commemorating this Day,

organized by local organizations involved in fighting prejudice of all kinds,

including homophobia. I would like to recognize the work of the many groups in

our Province who are involved in working to counteract homophobia, which leads

to discrimination and sometimes severe violence and death. We are currently

hearing in the news about murders that may be linked to homophobia.

In particular, I call the members' attention to the work of the AIDS

Committee of Newfoundland and Labrador. The Committee has many support services

for those living with AIDS/HIV. As well, they hold regular workshops throughout

the Province to inform youth and health professionals to dispel negative

stereotypes and to improve the lives of people suffering from discrimination due

to sexual orientation or HIV status. Staff and volunteers at the AIDS Committee

at the Tommy Sexton Centre in St. John's are always available to answer

questions and offer information.

I think, with the permission of the House, there are going to be brochures

distributed to all members of the House commemorating International Day Against

Homophobia. I ask all members to congratulate the AIDS Committee of Newfoundland

and Labrador and all organizations who work to promote public awareness and

provide help to people affected by prejudice.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Trinity-Bay de Verde.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JOHNSON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate Ryan Higdon, son of Lori Whiteway

and Chris Higdon of Green's Harbour, who attends Grade 3 at Acreman

Elementary. Ryan won first place in the Royal Canadian Legion's Remembrance

Day Contest with the submission of a black and white poster.

Ryan's poster was chosen as one of the top three by the local branch to be

submitted to the provincial branch. His poster was then selected as one of the

top two provincially to compete at the National Remembrance Day Contest in

Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, the overall winner of this contest will be eligible to travel to

Beaumont Hamel and eventually to the National War Memorial in Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, I would ask that all members join with me in extending

congratulations to Ryan in recognition of this wonderful achievement.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform the House of Assembly

of another new initiative to continue diversifying the economy of Newfoundland

and Labrador.

This morning, I visited Central Dairies in Mount Pearl to tour the facility

and announce the investment of $1 million in an exciting expansion that will see

a new line of speciality cheese products manufactured right here in Newfoundland

and Labrador.

By investing in this Province's growing agrifoods sector, we are supporting

an industry that is providing sustainable employment and economic benefits,

especially in our rural communities.

Mr. Speaker, our strategic and targeted investment under the Agriculture and

Agrifoods Development Fund will create the Province's very first large-scale

cheese manufacturing operation. It is allowing Central Dairies to build a new

production line to manufacture high-quality cheeses for sale in this Province,

across the country and beyond.

Central Dairies is contributing $2.5 million toward this expansion, which

will provide up to fifteen long-term jobs at the Mount Pearl facility.

Mr. Speaker, this investment does much more. At start up, Central Dairies is

committed to purchasing 4.7 million litres of industrial milk from local dairy

farmers. The company expects to double that volume by year seven.

By supporting this expansion, we are ensuring our dairy industry continues to

receive the maximum economic benefit from industrial milk production and

secondary processing opportunities.

Mr. Speaker, this investment helps our rural dairy farmers by reducing

transportation costs. Currently, the majority of the Province's industrial

milk quota is exported. By enabling producers to sell their milk on the Island

rather than ship it to the mainland for processing, they will realize

substantial savings.

Our government is committed to providing our farmers and food producers with

the tools to continue building their businesses right across this Province. I

encourage all members of this House and the people of the Province to support

local farmers by purchasing top-quality cheese products produced right here at

home.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank the minister for an advanced copy of her statement today.

Central Dairies, Mr. Speaker, has been a great company in the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador. They are not only producing high-quality products

into our marketplace and products that we are proud of in this Province, but

they are also employing Newfoundlanders and Labradorians and have done so since

their inception in this Province.

Mr. Speaker, they are also providing for us a market for our dairy farmers.

We also know what the struggles have been for the dairy industry in this

Province over the years. Any stability that we can bring to it is going to be

great and it will allow them to be able to grow and expand their developments as

well.

Mr. Speaker, I have to say, I am proud to live in a Province where I can wake

up everyday and have a Purity Cream Cracker and some Newfoundland preserves with

some Newfoundland yogurt and now some cheese, and toast all of that with a good

glass of wine or a cup of tea. It is not too bad, I say to you, Mr. Speaker. The

more kind of business that we can do like this creating jobs in our own

Province, with our own people, I am all for it and I would love to see more of

it happening.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I do not think I can top that one, so I am not going to try.

I am very delighted to see the new developments at Central Dairies and

naturally I am congratulating the minister on what has happened today. But, not

to turn too negative, in spite of my colleagues comments before me, I do need to

say though that I have had some small farmers come to me. While they are not

saying we should not have large-scale development, they are concerned that they

do not get the same amount of support when they come up with creative ideas.

I would encourage the minister, who I know is committed to Newfoundland and

Labrador, to listen to some of these small farmers and to their concerns. Maybe

someday we can sit down and talk about that together.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Statements by Ministers?

The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am pleased to rise today to inform this hon. House that the Department of

Environment and Conservation has allocated $60,000 in funding this year for the

operation of the Climate Change Education Centre. These funds will allow for

more program development and a more consistent approach to public education.

This year, the Centre's goal is to increase awareness of climate change and to

encourage Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to actively reduce emissions and

make more sustainable lifestyle choices.

Mr. Speaker, as indicated in our Climate Change Action Plan, government

continues to support the Climate Change Education Centre. I congratulate the

CCEC for bringing the climate change message to the youth of this Province. It

is the centre's long-term vision to dramatically increase knowledge and

understanding of climate change and to be the catalyst for the actions necessary

to address this issue. Where possible, my department will provide financial

support to assist them and their efforts.

Mr. Speaker, the Conservation Corps of Newfoundland and Labrador became the

host organization for the Climate Change Education Centre in 2002. Referred to

as the Hub, the centre provides public education and outreach that covers a wide

scope of climate change related information. They work with a variety of

audiences including municipalities, industry and youth. Because of their

efforts, thousands of young Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are more aware of

the impact of climate change and have been encouraged to take action to reduce

greenhouse gas emissions in their daily lives.

The Climate Change Education Centre creates partnerships with community-based

organizations while focusing its efforts on reaching rural and remote

communities. Since inception, the Hub has been very successful in reaching its

target audiences. The centre has presented over 11,000 youth through schools and

youth organizations. They have provided climate change awareness sessions and

curriculum training for over 500 teachers. They have provided 300 public

information sessions on climate change and energy efficiency, reaching more than

25,000 people. They have helped climate change capacity building workshops for

more than fifty non-governmental organizations, and they have presented to

industry, including Newfoundland Power and Petro Canada.

Mr. Speaker, climate change is a serious environmental issue. This government

views the Climate Change Education Centre as vital to increasing awareness

around the impacts of climate change and encouraging individuals to take actions

to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to thank the minister for an advanced copy of his statement. Before I

refer to the statement he has given, I would just like to say to him, the first

two months of spring in Newfoundland this year, it is pretty difficult to

convince Newfoundlanders and Labradorians that we have global warming and

climate change, you need your longjohns on everyday. I do not think we have had

double digits. The only way we are going to get double digits in the spring is

to go back reporting under the Fahrenheit rather than the Celsius scale.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to respond to that. It is good to see

government contributing some dollars for the Climate Change Education Centre.

The fact that you are targeting young people, I think is very important because

it is these people who are the most impressionable at that age and no doubt,

they take this much more seriously than some of the older people of our

population.

Talking about the Conservation Corps of Newfoundland and Labrador, I had an

opportunity not too long ago to speak to a former director, former head, Bruce

Gilbert, a Newfoundlander. Bruce is now at Dalhousie University doing a

doctorate and looking forward to coming back to Newfoundland and Labrador again

someday, hopefully to find employment here.

Anytime that we put dollars in to give education to the people of our

Province on climate change and global warming, because it is a reality, I think

that is a great thing to do. No doubt about it, climate change is a serious

environmental issue, as the minister already said, and it is great to see some

dollars going into an education centre to make us more aware of it.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

There is no doubt that the Climate Change Education Centre, and the host

organization Conservation Corps has done really good work and has been doing

good work. Unfortunately, because of cuts by the government in Ottawa, the

Harper government, the Centre now has a limited mandate. It is just education.

Whereas when the Conservation Corps was working and federal money was in there,

we had action along with education, and I think we need action. Thanks to the

cuts from the Harper government we no longer have the action. The Conservation

Corps used to have a residence retrofit program with a whole corps of young

people who were trained to do the audits of the homes. Then the federal

government also funded homeowners to then do the retrofits that became

recommended after the audits were done.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

MS MICHAEL: By leave, Mr. Speaker?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you.

I really would like the government and the minister, as they go on doing

their planning around climate change, to look at the government stepping in to

put in place the action part that used to be there with Conservation Corps,

which has to go with the education.

Thank you very much.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Statements by Ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Premier.

Shortly after the federal budget came down in March, Prime Minister Stephen

Harper wrote both Premier MacDonald of Nova Scotia and our Premier. Both letters

and the accompanying press releases were practically identical, with the

exception that in the letter sent to Premier MacDonald there was an additional

paragraph. That paragraph read, and I quote: The national infrastructure program

announced in Budget 2007 also contains a component for nationally significant

infrastructure, including Gateways. I encourage you to continue to work with my

ministers to further develop the Atlantic Gateway concept.

I ask the Premier: Were you aware that there were differences in the letter

sent to you and the letter sent to Premier MacDonald, and can you tell us why

this Province was not asked to participate in the Gateway infrastructure

initiative?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, I was aware that there are differences in

it. Halifax and Nova Scotia, of course, have tried to take the initiative on the

Atlantic Gateway. We made sure at the Council of Atlantic Premiers that, in

fact, we put our position forward. We had an indication and an assurance from

the Premier of Nova Scotia during the last CAP meeting that, in fact, it would

be spread out; the benefits would be spread out over all four provinces if, in

fact, Gateway was decided. Where that is ultimately selected, is a decision that

has yet to be made. I have no idea why there was a difference. I guess you would

have to ask the Prime Minister, but I cannot give you an answer on that.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: In the executive

summary of the Gateway infrastructure program

- and I have copy of it here, I say to the Premier. It states: Like Vancouver on

Canada's West Coast, Halifax can be part of a new transportation grid that

involves rail, trucking and shipping, linking Atlantic Canada to Central Canada

in the large consumer markets in the United States. It also states that the

Atlantic Gateway is an national issue and a national priority because it must

form part of the national Maritime transportation strategy linking West Coast to

East Coast as part of a Pan-Canadian transportation strategy.

I ask the Premier: Are we being excluded from this Pan-Canadian

transportation strategy as a result of the strained relationships that exist

between you and the Prime Minister?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: I can tell the Leader of the Opposition that I am not

the one who quotes in the House of Commons. He refers to comments that are made

by the Leader of Opposition when he supports positions that are

anti-Newfoundland and Labrador. As a matter of fact, I heard him quote you in

the House of Commons just over a month ago. So, it would be nice if you were on

our side. That would certainly help, for starters.

From our perspective, we cannot read the Prime Minister's mind on this. I

know that Peter MacKay is lobbying very, very strongly on behalf of Nova Scotia.

He is a senior minister in the Cabinet. My concern would be that they are going

to try and trade off, possibly, the Atlantic Gateway for concessions on the

equalization issues, on the Accord issues that we have with the federal

government. There is nothing I can do about that.

Minister Loyola Hearn, of course, is our minister in Ottawa. He is the one

who needs to advocate on behalf of the Atlantic Gateway. We are doing everything

we can, as a Province. Our Transportation Minister has been involved in

transportation issues, and we are involved in the Atlantic transportation

strategy. As I said at the CAP meetings, I put our positions forward in the very

strongest terms to make sure that we were not exempted from any negotiations

that went on.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, I say to the Premier: I, unlike you, never did and

never will support Stephen Harper. You are the one who campaigned for Stephen

Harper, not me.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: I never trusted him. That is the reason I did not support him,

unlike you.

Mr. Speaker, last year, British Columbia received $591 million for the

Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor Initiative. Earlier this month, Stephen Harper

was in Vancouver to announce an additional $410 million for this project, for a

total of $1 billion over two years for the gateway corridor to the Pacific.

I ask the Premier: How much money has the federal government set aside for

the Atlantic Gateway, and how much do you anticipate will come to this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, we do not know how much money has been set

aside. We do not have any knowledge of that whatsoever, but I can tell you that

if we had the $11 billion that was promised to us we could build eleven gateways

in this Province. So, our focus is on getting that significant amount of money

that was promised to us, an amount of money that would erase the debt of every

man, woman and child in this Province.

The Minister of Transportation has written the federal government, the

Minister of Natural Resources has written the federal government on this. I have

taken it up with the Premiers. We are doing absolutely everything we can. We

have an assurance from the Premier of Nova Scotia, who is lead on this, that we

will actually be involved in Atlantic Gateway, so that an Atlantic Gate project

is truly an Atlantic project, not a Nova Scotian project.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the Premier, if you don't know, you should know. You should

probably go on to the Web site from ACOA because there is lots of information on

that site about these programs, both the Pacific one and the Atlantic one.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday we heard lame excuses from the Premier as to why

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians could not handle the job of booking campsite

reservations for our provincial parks. The Premier actually stood in the House

of Assembly yesterday and tried to justify the decision to give this particular

project, and the jobs associated with it, to a Quebec company.

I ask the Premier: How much are the taxpayers of this Province paying this

Quebec call centre to do that particular job?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, I do not know if the Leader of the

Opposition realizes the consequences of what he is saying here when he is

talking about this particular contract.

As we indicated, the contract, the Request for Proposals, the tender, was put

out. They were the only bidders. According to a legitimate legal process, they

won in that process. Now, if we do what he is suggesting, a company yesterday,

like G.J. Cahill, which we paid tribute to as one of the what? fifty best

managed or something, we would have to tell them to come back from Alberta and

not do any work in Alberta.

When we were out on a trade mission to Alberta three months ago, they picked

up a $30 million contract as a result of that exercise. So, do we tell companies

like Aliant they cannot do any work outside of Newfoundland and Labrador? Do we

put a great big wall up around Newfoundland and Labrador and dig a great big

moat so that people cannot come into the Province? Because, if that is the case,

there is no reciprocity, there are no internal trade rules, we cannot go across

the country, and Newfoundlanders and Labradorians cannot do work in other

Provinces.

If that is what you want us to do, if you want us to isolate the Province,

then I am sorry we are not going there. That is just completely wrong.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair recognizes the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the Premier, you are missing your point when you are trying to

justify giving a contract to Quebec. You are missing the point totally.

What we are saying, Mr. Speaker, and I will ask the Premier the question;

maybe he will understand it: Why couldn't you set up an office somewhere in

this Province, whether it be in Confederation Building or in Corner Brook or in

Twillingate or in St. Anthony, staff it with some of the thousands of students

that we have and who are now going to find themselves unemployed because of cuts

to a federal student employment project this summer, why didn't you take some

of those students and put them in an office somewhere in this Province with a

toll-free number so that they could answer those calls, rather than sending

those jobs to Quebec?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, if I take that logic to where that is

going, then the call centres that we have in the Province right now - how many

people are employed by the...?

AN HON. MEMBER: Thousands.

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Several thousand people are employed by the call

centres in this Province, who actually do calls and take calls for people in

other provinces and other countries and other states all over the world. So, we

cut off that business, we will not do that call centre business. Then what we

will do is, we will set up our own nationalized call centre business and we will

hire people from the Province to go into the call centres and take that business

away from the private sector.

Is that what you are advocating? Because we are not going there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe that this is the same individual

who is in charge of economic development for this Province. I just cannot

believe it -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: - when he stands for two days in a row and tries to justify

giving jobs to people in Quebec when we have thousands of Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians leaving this Province on a weekly basis to seek employment

elsewhere.

Now, Mr. Speaker, the Premier's own polls - and he is apt to do a lot of

them - the Premier's own polls, which he pays for, I might add, with taxpayers'

money, recently showed that unemployment, out-migration, and the economy in

general are the most important issues facing the people of this Province.

I ask the Premier, Mr. Speaker: Knowing that unemployment is the number one

issue in this Province, why do you insist in defending giving taxpayers' money

to supply jobs to Quebecers?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, in addition to the answer that I gave

before, I just want to take a quote from the hon. member, which he gave to the

Resource Committee back in April 2002. He was talking about the Marine Services

Centre, and he was talking about privatizing, the benefits of privatization, the

benefits of the private sector doing business in this Province as opposed to

government getting involved in that.

He said: The Marine Services Center, I know when the Province owned them, the

one in Twillingate, for example, the Province employed one-and-a-half to two

people per year down there. Right now, after we divested it, last year the

company which is now running it employed as many as thirty people.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: So, when it was divested it employed thirty people as

opposed to one-and-a-half or two people.

He goes on to say: That goes for most of them in the Province that we have

divested.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: This is the important sentence: It just goes to show

that the private sector can run those things far more efficiently and employ far

more people than the Province ever could.

That goes for call centres, and that goes for the fishery as well.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health and

Community Services and it concerns the faulty breast screening test results.

Today we know we have close to 1,000 women who have been retested for

possible testing errors. While the minister has indicated that women needing a

change in treatment have been contacted, can the minister confirm whether all

women who have been retested have been notified and, if not, does the minister

consider the failure to communicate this information acceptable?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in the last couple of days in the House, all of

those tests that were repeated and the test results came back different than

those that were gotten at the Health Sciences Centre, all of those patients have

been contacted. All of the tests that were redone, all of those individuals have

not been contacted because, some of them, their test results did not change. For

those whose test results did change, they have been contacted. One hundred and

seventeen of them had their treatment regime changed. The remaining patients

were contacted through their family physicians for appropriate follow-up, I say,

Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, every year we have hundreds of new cases of breast

cancer in the Province, and since the error in testing was discovered by Eastern

Health in 2005 I understand that the tissue samples of women being tested since

that time have been sent out of the Province right up until February of this

year.

I ask the minister: What reassurances can you provide to the women who have

been tested and diagnosed in the past two years, that their test results are

indeed accurate?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, as the member just pointed out, when Eastern Health realized

that there was an error in May of 2005 they did some auditing on their own, and

as a result of that auditing in July they ceased to operate their own lab. From

that point on, until February of this year when it reopened, those exams and

those tests were sent out of the Province to Toronto for testing. Those results

would have come from that test result in Toronto.

Since February, as I laid out in this House in the last couple of days, since

the lab has reopened there is a whole new structure we have put in place. As I

pointed out, we have dedicated technologists working in that lab now. We have a

director of the laboratory, a dedicated pathologist in that area. We have

established a centre of excellence of using oncology and pathology to ensure

that we have pooled the skill sets that we have in this Province to ensure that

the women of Newfoundland and Labrador have access to a quality program.

The other piece of that, that I have outlined in this House, is the new

quality assurance program that ensures that there is a monitoring mechanism in

place, that there is a mechanism in place to have those test results randomly

selected and sent outside the Province for confirmation to ensure that we are

providing a quality program to the women of Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr.

Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

MR. BALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

One of the concerns of my first question had to do with the 700 women, I

guess, who probably have not been notified. I don't know about the minister's

office, but I know we have been getting calls from women in this Province who

are very concerned about the whole affair. Indeed, they are calling MHAs, they

are calling doctors offices and even support groups.

I would ask the minister: Given the fear and anxiety with the many questions

still remaining about this whole process, will the minister commit to

immediately setting up a toll-free line to provide assurance, information and

counseling to these women and their families?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

One of the things that we have recognized in the last two days is that there

is a lot of misinformation being given to the general population. There have

been a number of questions raised by members opposite. Some of them are really

legitimate questions and I appreciate them and understand them. Mr. Speaker,

unfortunately, many of them have been very cheap political questions to try to

raise an unwarranted fear among many Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

As a result of that, I have asked Eastern Health if they would, in fact,

tomorrow, arrange for a full briefing, a public briefing, for the media and

those members opposite who wish to attend, to be able to understand fully what

has taken place here from the period of time that they have reviewed, and the

actions that have taken place since then. There will be clinical people there to

be able to answer some of the very specific clinical questions that you might

have.

Hopefully, I say to the members opposite, you will attend that briefing as

well so you can get some clarity around the questions that you have been raising

here and raising fear among many women in this Province unnecessarily, I say,

Mr. Speaker, in many cases.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will not even attempt to comment on what the minister just said about

fearmongering here. It is shameful. Shameful.

Mr. Speaker, there are certainly communication problems between government,

Eastern Health and the general public regarding the breast screening results.

There are women who are contacting not only our offices but I am sure people on

the government side as well, wondering if their results were part of the

retesting process.

For clarity purposes, could the Minister of Justice, the former Minister of

Health, confirm when Eastern Health became aware of the magnitude of the false

results, when the retesting began, when the women affected were notified, and

when the Department of Justice became involved?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, Eastern Health became aware of the problem they

had in May 2005. They very quickly then moved to try to confirm the extent to

which the problem existed. In July 2005 they ceased to operate their lab and

they made a decision then to start transferring the tests in that facility

outside the Province. They also made the decision at that time that they would

now start to have all of the negative results that occurred from 1997 to 2005

sent outside the Province for rechecking. At that time, they met with the

department to advise them of the circumstance, to advise them what they found.

The process started then in August, I believe, of 2005 to send these tests out

for re-evaluation.

In was in October 2005 when Eastern Health received the first response from

Toronto. The first grouping of tests to be repeated were done in October 2005.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the minister if he could complete his answer quickly.

MR. WISEMAN: I appreciate your suggestion, Mr. Speaker, but the hon.

member was asking for a sequence of events.

It was in October 2005 that those first results came back, and all of them

were back by February 2006, I say, Mr. Speaker. By February 2006 all of the

tests that had been sent out, the results were now back and Eastern Health

became aware then of the total numbers that they had at that particular time.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Notwithstanding the Health Minister's comments a couple of days ago about

the balance, I guess, between the need to inform and disclose information versus

the possible negative consequences it might have on litigation, I come back to

this issue again: We need to find out what went wrong here to make sure that it

does not happen again. That is what this is about. This is not a blame game, and

we are not only concerned about civil liability. We do not know, for example,

even if there was any criminal responsibility here. That is the point we are

missing here, and what government seems not to be acknowledging.

I say to the Minister of Justice again, I asked this question yesterday and I

will continue to ask it because I think it is foolhardy and misguided and

misdirected of this government not to undertake what is an essential, necessary

and obvious judicial inquiry that needs to be done.

We have had inquiries, Minister. When we had an industrial accident at Come

By Chance, we did a judicial inquiry because we wanted to know what happened so

it would not happen again. When we had the police shootings in this Province by

the RNC and by the RCMP, we did a judicial inquiry. We have twenty-four judges

on the Provincial Court; they are equipped to do it. It is not costly, it is not

time-consuming.

I say again to the Minister of Justice: To ensure that every woman in this

Province has the full details of what happened, including the families of the

176 women who have passed away since the details of this have been made public,

will you and this government commit to a full judicial inquiry to ensure that

all of the information is put on the table and disclosed here? It is absolutely

necessary.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, I think everybody in this room is very,

very sensitive to the issues involved here. I think everybody in this room, on

both sides of the House, want to have the answers, want to have all the answers.

I think that is very, very important. In the interest of openness, it is

extremely important that this be done properly.

This government is certainly prepared to do a review in order to find the

information. At the end of the day, we want to make sure that the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador, but most importantly the people who are affected here

- the patients, the people who have suffered, their families - they all need to

know the answers.

It is a very sensitive issue and a very delicate issue, and there are issues

of confidentiality of information here that are very important because it is a

medical matter. On that basis, now, we are seeking advice from the Department of

Justice with regard to the best way to go about this, to make sure that this is

fully reviewed in a proper manner.

The other thing we want to do is, we want to make sure that we do not create

a problem in the Province whereby people lose complete confidence in the health

care system because that is unfair to the people of the Province and it is also

unfair to medical professionals and people who are in the medical field

throughout the Province. So, we do not want to do anything that sort of reflects

on everybody in the system in any manner whatsoever, and I think you would agree

with me in that perspective.

So, we want to move properly, we want to move carefully, we want to move

cautiously, but we will move expeditiously. We will not delay this for any

extended period of time. The first step, of course, is what the minister has

indicated today, is that we are going to ask Eastern Health immediately, to get

out and have a technical briefing so that all the facts are disclosed. When it

comes to the legal issues, Eastern Health are on the front line here, and the

hon. gentleman opposite knows that. The legal advice came from Eastern Health

because it is their issue and that is where the liability rests.

On this side of the House, however, there is a moral responsibility as well

that rests with this government, and rests with everybody inside the House. So,

we undertake to have a very, very hard look at this. We are going to do

something. It is a question of going about it and doing it right, but, at the

end of the day, we want to assure people of the Province, particularly the

people who have been affected here, that we will get full disclosure and we will

get the answers that they require.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I will continue on from that point, I guess. I was very glad to hear the

minister talk about the briefing, that was going to be one of my questions. So,

I will ask then some further questions around it. I think the minister said that

it was going to be a public briefing and that we would be able to attend. Is

this a fully public briefing? Will we be able to ask questions? Has the format

been decided? Mr. Speaker, the hon. Minister of Health and Community Services.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I had indicated that it would be a public format, that we want to make sure

that the information gets out into the public domain and the questions that you

have been raising here and others have been raising are fully answered.

The issues that the member opposite raised in terms of exact location and

exact time, it was before I came to the House today that I had that discussion

with Eastern Health to ensure that it took place. I asked to have it happen

tomorrow, and they are immediately working towards that now. I assume and will

assure you that before the day is over, we will be making a public announcement

about when and where that will occur, and the time that it will happen as well.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Mr. Speaker, could I just make one comment to the minister? I

would encourage the minister to see that the briefing is held in the morning,

since a lot of MHAs leave to go to their districts in the afternoon.

I do have a couple of more questions. It is my understanding, Mr. Speaker,

that the families of the 176 deceased women have not been personally notified

that there was retesting of the tissue samples of those women, and also whether

or not any of these women received a new result from the retesting. Papers filed

with the court show that thirty-six of the 105 deceased women have been

confirmed to have had false negatives. These thirty-six women could have availed

of potentially life saving therapies.

Can the minister confirm that the families of the deceased have not been

personally contacted by Eastern Health authorities, and if not, why were they

not informed?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, as I understand the process for those family

members of the deceased individuals, they have an opportunity to make a request

to Eastern Health and have the results. That is what I understand has happened.

I cannot tell you how many people have actually done that. I cannot tell you how

many families would be aware of the changes in the test results, if any. I know

that is the kind of question that Eastern Health would be able to provide for

you, which is kind of a technical and detailed question that they would be able

to answer for you.

MR. SPEAKER: Final supplementary to the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Well, then I will wait and put that question tomorrow because my question

really gets at where they informed personally or just through advertisements

that went out in the newspaper, but I will ask that tomorrow.

I do have then a final question, Mr. Speaker. The minister informed the House

on Tuesday that there is a quality control procedure in place, you spoke about

it again today. In a scrum, the minister said that approximately 10 per cent of

samples are sent away for retesting.

I would like the minister to inform us as to what are the results of that

quality control testing? Are we seeing, through the quality control testing that

is going on, that the testing which is now going on here is hopefully error

free, and how is that information going to be relayed to the House?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

MR. WISEMAN: Just on that point, Mr. Speaker, I do not recall having

quantified the percentage of tests that would be sent out. What I had indicated

was that as a part of the quality control program, a random cross-section of

tests to be performed at Eastern Health would now be selected and sent outside

for a retesting, just to validate the test results at Eastern Health, I think

was my comment.

To answer your question about whether or not there has been any sent out to

date, how many have been sent out, and what the results have been, that is an

answer I do not have for you. I can get it for you though. I would be only too

glad to table it here for you in the House.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will try to switch gears here now. My questions are for the Minister of

Natural Resources.

In March, the government reached an out-of-court settle with Canada Bay

Lumber in Roddickton to pay back their debt to the government and to move

forward with a new sawmill and particle board plant in that area. Part of the

deal was to allow the company to hold onto its 21,000 cubic metres of wood.

Why has the government not released a wood permit to wood products industry

limited so that the company will have an opportunity to settle its finances,

raise the capital it needs and move forward with the operation?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As former minister of INTRD and now as Minister of Natural Resources, I have

been intimately involved in the file concerning Chimney Bay Lumber, Canada Bay

Lumber and WPI. Numerous opportunities, negotiations, you name it, Mr. Speaker,

has gone on to try to get this company on a footing that would allow it to move

forward. That has not happened. The Department of INTRD has taken action now

with regard to it and decisions will be made in the very short term with regard

to the permit that is associated with WPI.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse Au Clair.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, the operator claims that government has been

putting up roadblocks for them by changing the conditions of the wood allocation

permit. Today, minister, it is no secret that twenty-five to thirty loggers are

out of work in that area. There is an individual in that area who has spent up

to $400,000 to purchase a new harvester that now has nothing to harvest.

Obviously, this company and the residents in that area are looking for

government to issue the permit and have signed a petition with over 700

signatures from the community.

I ask the minister today: Why not work with this company, help them get their

operation off the ground and issue the wood permit to them?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This government has been working with the companies named for over ten years.

We have exercised every way that we know how to encourage a sawmilling operation

on the Great Northern Peninsula. We are well aware of the concerns that are

being expressed on the Great Northern Peninsula with regard to the forestry

issue. We have worked with them in the past in terms of understanding what their

needs are and meeting those needs. We will do the same in this instance, Mr.

Speaker. If we need to be innovative to ensure that the harvesters have work and

that there is a market for the product of the Great Northern Peninsula, then we

are going to do whatever we can to make sure that happens.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time allocated for Question Period has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees.

Tabling of documents.

Notices of Motion.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

MR. T. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I give notice that I will ask leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To

Amend The Retail Sales Tax Act, Bill 20.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Notices of Motion.

The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to move, pursuant to Standing Order 11, that tomorrow,

Tuesday, May 22, the House not adjourn at 5:30 p.m., nor will the House adjourn

at 10:00 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader on Notices of Motion.

MR. PARSONS: Normally under Standing Order 63(3) we would on a Monday

give notice of our private member's motion for next Wednesday's Private

Members' Day, but the House being closed on Monday we would like to give that

notice today, if we could, if that is okay. It is being moved by the Member for

Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair, giving

notice of motion.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to move the following Private Member's Motion,

seconded by my colleague, the Member for Burgeo & LaPoile:

WHEREAS it has been revealed that there were error rates of 42 per cent in

breast cancer screening tests conducted by Eastern Health and the circumstances

surrounding the release of this information has shaken confidence in the health

care system in this Province;

BE IT RESOLVED that this House of Assembly calls upon the government to

appoint a judicial enquiry into the circumstances around faulty breast cancer

screening results and the release of this information.

MR. SPEAKER: Further Notices of Motion.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present a petition on behalf of people in the community of

Roddickton and in that area.

Mr. Speaker, this petition falls in line with the questions that I asked of

the Minister of Natural Resources today, and it has to do in particular with a

company by the name of Canada Bay Lumber.

Mr. Speaker, Canada Bay Lumber once ran a thriving sawmilling operation in

the Roddickton area, and it was destroyed by fire. Since that time they have had

great difficulty in rebuilding their company back to the vibrance that it once

way. They have been asking for the support and the nurturing of government in

enabling them to do just that. In fact, Mr. Speaker, not unlike a lot of

companies in this Province, they found themselves owing government substantial

amounts of money, none of which we can deny, but in recent days they were able

to strike a deal with the government, in March of this year, to pay back

$700,000, I think, of the money.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MS JONES: Eight hundred and fifty thousand. I stand to be corrected by

the Member for The Straits & White Bay North, Mr. Speaker, who seems to know

all about the issue but doing very little to resolve it, I say.

Mr. Speaker, there was $850,000 agreed to be paid back. As part of that deal,

it was told to the company they could hang on to their wood allocations of

22,000 cubic metres of wood. Once the company was able to pay back its

investment, re-establish itself as a sawmill and particle board operation, then

those quotas would be transferred into a timber allocation for the company to

use, Mr. Speaker. That was the deal, but attached to that timber allocation were

certain conditions that the company would have to honour, and those were the

guarantees that the government asked for.

Mr. Speaker, the operator now claims that, before he was able to deliver on

the payments and to be able to get this operation back on track, government

changed the conditions of his permit, and he feels that the government changed

the conditions of this permit only because they want to award the allocation to

Conservative friends of theirs so that they will have control of the allocation.

In doing so, Mr. Speaker, there is a risk of those jobs being shipped out of

that area.

I do not have to tell anyone in this Legislature that the Roddickton area is

an area of this Province, Mr. Speaker, that has high unemployment. They are

desperately looking for work. Even, Mr. Speaker, in the years that this company

had difficultly in managing its operations, they still employed loggers in that

area, up to thirty loggers every year who worked on contract with this company,

who today find themselves out of a job simply because the government opposite

was impatient and not willing to work with this company to bring their operation

to fruition.

Mr. Speaker, they talk every day about creating opportunity in rural

communities in this Province. Here is an opportunity right on their doorstep,

where people are crying out for work, and right now, today -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: By leave, Mr. Speaker?

MR. RIDEOUT: By leave to conclude.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted to make some concluding comments.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the Government House Leader for leave to conclude.

Mr. Speaker, today we have thirty workers in this area who are unemployed. We

have one of those people who has bought a harvester in the last year or so, Mr.

Speaker, has spent over $400,000 and now has nothing to harvest.

Mr. Speaker, I want to encourage the government, on behalf of the people in

this area - and the MHA for that area, who happens to be the minister - to work

with this company, work with the people in that region, and get this company off

the ground and get those people back to work!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to present this petition and I will read it, seeing it is the first

time I have had it before the House.

WHEREAS the road maintenance depots have been closed in various areas of the

Province; and

WHEREAS these closures have resulted in maintenance workers servicing huge

areas; and

WHEREAS many areas are not receiving adequate road repairs because of these

government cutbacks;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, call upon all Members of the

House of Assembly to urge government to take actions to address the lack of road

maintenance in many areas of the Province.

I present this petition.

Mr. Speaker, I want to say -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair asks all members on both sides of the House for their co-operation.

The Chair recognizes the Member for Port de Grave, and asks him to continue

presenting his petition.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I want to say from the outset, and I know the minister is aware of this, I

had the opportunity to meet with the officials of the Department of

Transportation and Works on many of the issues that I have concerns on. They are

checking them out, no doubt, over a period of time, and hopefully this year some

of those issues will be resolved in a successful manner.

Mr. Speaker, there is one issue I want to bring to the forefront, and it is

due to a maintenance issue that happened last year. As a matter of fact, it

happened in August of last summer, and here we are into May of this year. The

department had been dealing with it. There were seven to eight vehicles, due to

a pothole that was in the road in Bay Roberts, that received extensive damage. I

relayed it to the road maintenance at the time.

Finally, one of the individuals received a letter back dated April 17, 2007,

and this is from the Department of Finance. They go on to say that they have

reviewed the information that was put forward by Transportation and Works

concerning alleged damages.

I can assure you, Mr. Speaker, they were not alleged damages. There were

thousands of dollars worth of damage done with regard to striking this

particular pothole. They referenced that all the information had been provided,

and I will go on to say, and I want to quote here: In reviewing the report from

the department, I find that every effort has been taken to repair this and other

potholes in the area.

No doubt, Mr. Speaker, that is true, but I can assure you every effort was

not taken to repair the damage to those vehicles.

They conclude with this statement: With the amount of freeze and thaw

conditions in the Avalon area, potholes can develop very quickly.

I can assure you, Mr. Speaker, due to the thawing of the ground there were no

potholes created in Bay Roberts in August of last year.

I think it is important that the department - I know the Department of

Transportation and Works took this issue forward and they believed that they

went to the Department of Finance to see if this would go through the claims,

but this letter if from the claims administrator telling those people that those

potholes have been taken care of - and they now - but I can assure you they were

there at that particular time. Many people, seven or eight individuals, had a

tremendous amount of damage done to their vehicles. The maintenance crews, when

the depots were closed, I can assure you that in my district a lot of work was

not done last year. The officials in the department in the Bay Roberts depot

will confirm that.

It is unfortunate that those people, Mr. Speaker, have received this letter

back. I just ask the minister to check with his officials. I know they have a

response back from the Department of Finance, but I believe it is worth that the

department would take another look at it and see if anything can be done for

those individuals.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise to present a petition on behalf of my constituents in the District of

Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

Mr. Speaker, this petition has to do with having cellphone services in that

area. I would like to read the prayer of the petition, because I understand this

petition is being circulated throughout the district. I only received one copy

so far. Apparently, I have been told, the others are on the way. It says:

WHEREAS Phase II of the Trans-Labrador Highway from Red Bay to Cartwright has

been completed for a number of years; and

WHEREAS the residents of Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair now rely on this

connection for many necessities of life; and

WHEREAS the unpredictable nature of winter weather and lack of snow-clearing

equipment often causes hazardous for travellers on this

section of highway; and

WHEREAS a huge

section of the highway from West St. Modeste to Cartwright

covering 375 kilometres of road has no cellphone coverage because of the high

cost to provide such a service to a relatively low number of customers; and

WHEREAS government has provided $15 million to Persona Communications to

assist in future technology developments that enable them to become more

profitable, we feel that government should provide financial assistance to

ensure there are cell services available in our area;

WHEREFORE we, the undersigned, petition the House of House of Assembly to

urge government to contribute to the cost of providing cellular phone coverage

to the residents of Southern Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak to that for a couple of minutes because I

use that road quite often. In fact, if you look at the whole area going up

through, you are looking at over 400 kilometres of road in which you have no

cellphone coverage at all.

Mr. Speaker, I know what it is like to be out on that highway in the middle

of the winter and to be stuck, because it has happened. I have spent all night

on that road with no communications connection to anyone and having to stay

there until the early hours of the morning when a plow could come and get you

out. I am not alone in that experience. There are many people in my district who

often go through that.

Also, Mr. Speaker, there are lots of occasions when you are covering the huge

distance of several hundred kilometers between Port Hope Simpson and Cartwright

in which you have no stops at all and you have no communication equipment on

that

section of highway. We often have had people caught out there, broke down

or stuck in a snow storm, Mr. Speaker, and not being able to get out of it.

The request that is being made by the people of my district is a very

legitimate request. I have held a number of meetings with Aliant over the last

few years talking about cellphone coverage. In fact, in the Labrador Straits,

when we did get cellphone coverage, we had to make a business case to Aliant. At

the end of the day, we provided a good case and we were able to get the service.

In the Coastal region of Labrador we have also provided a business case for

cellular coverage but we have been told -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: May I, by leave, just clue up, Mr. Speaker?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted to make some concluding comments.

MS JONES: Thank you.

Aliant has told us that the cost of providing a cellphone service in that

particular area was more than the expenditure that they were prepared to invest,

and that the numbers they had crunched on what their return on investment would

be was not substantial for them at this time.

Mr. Speaker, basically what Aliant has told us and what another company - and

I should say we did go to another company, as well, looking for them to invest

in the cellular phone service in that particular area - and, again, it was the

same option. They did not feel that their investment was warranted in terms of

what their return would be.

Mr. Speaker, we have been told by the communications companies in the

Province that the only way that the cell service could be provided in that area

of the Province is with the investment of government as a partner. I would like

to encourage government and the Minister of Industry to look at this as an

option on behalf of the people of my district and that part of our Province.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, I would like to call Order 3, the concurrence

motion.

I believe there is, I don't know, fifteen or sixteen minutes, or something

in that order, left in debate, in the concurrence debate on the Social Services

Committee. I would like to call that matter first, please.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

At the end of our debate previously, I do believe there were seventeen

minutes left and the debate had been adjourned by the Leader of the Opposition.

The Chair recognizes the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Let those viewers who are watching us at home on a Thursday afternoon know

that, when we are discussing a Budget, we can speak on anything we wish in the

House of Assembly. We do not have to stick to a particular subject contained in

a particular bill.

When I left off on Tuesday, debating this particular issue, I was talking

about the need for an extension to EI, Employment Insurance, for fish harvesters

and plant workers on the Northeast Coast of Newfoundland and the Coast of

Labrador. Because, as you know, Mr. Speaker, the people in the affected area who

see the ice onshore today are finding it very difficult to survive financially

because the fishing season started on April 1 and many people who are involved

in the fishing industry have had their EI discontinued since that time. This is

some seven weeks now that they have to do without an income.

What we have done on this side of the House, we have contacted the federal

government, we have raised the issue locally through the various media, the Open

Line shows, the newspapers and the newscasts. We have asked questions in the

House of Assembly of the provincial government as to what they have done with

regard to lobbying the federal government to try and do something for the people

in the affected region, because they are finding it extremely difficult.

I am sure that members opposite are receiving calls. I heard from the Member

for Bonavista North today on the Open Line show raising the issue, and he had to

bring my name into it. I have been listening to the media in the last three or

four weeks since this became an issue. It became an issue around the middle of

April. Obviously, it did not become an issue on April 1 because that is when the

fishing season opened. It became an issue around the middle of April and, to be

truthful with you, I have not heard any of the members opposite raise the issue

publicly, but the Member for Bonavista North did come on this morning and say

that he did not need to take lessons from Gerry Reid.

I say to the member, I am glad I woke him up, and I hope I can wake up some

others on the opposite side, because there are a lot of Tory members in the

House of Assembly who are receiving calls, besides the Liberal members. In fact,

there are more Tories in the affected areas than there are Liberals. We have

been making representation both to the provincial and federal governments to get

something done because it is, indeed, a desperate situation.

Mr. Speaker, I have written the federal ministers - and I say ministers - to

Minister Hearn, our federal Fisheries Minister, as well as the Minister

Responsible for the EI program, Minister Solberg. I have written both.

For a while, I didn't receive a response from Fisheries Minister Hearn, our

representative in the federal Cabinet, but he did call me yesterday morning. He

did say that he was working with his federal Cabinet colleagues to try and put a

package together for those individuals who are without an income right now.

I have to mention, and I think I did when I started this, it is not just the

people on the Northeast Coast of Newfoundland, it is also on the Coast of

Labrador, and that takes in the Torngat District in the Northern part of

Labrador as well as the Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair District in the Southern

portion of Labrador. If I am not mistaken, I think there are a couple of

fishermen in Goose Bay who also prosecute the fishery, I say to my colleagues

from Labrador. We are talking about all of those individuals.

I had a discussion yesterday morning with the federal minister, he called me,

Minister Hearn, and he said that he had received my letter and he was returning

my call to tell me that they are working on it. But, yesterday afternoon I did

notice, in watching the House of Commons debate in Question Period from the back

room here - I happened to go in there for a glass of water and we had the

television on, and Todd Russell, the Liberal MP from Labrador, was raising the

very issue in the House of Commons. I was somewhat surprised with the response

from Mr. Hearn, our federal minister. He said that basically they don't have

all of the information on the numbers who are affected in the region, from

Bonavista basically to Nain.

That is somewhat surprising, his response to Mr. Todd Russell, because I

raised that very issue in the House over a week ago. I think it as last Monday,

some seven, eight, ten days ago, when I asked our provincial minister - I said

at that time that the provincial minister has a field staff out and about this

Province. For example, in the area that I am served by, the provincial

Department of Fisheries has their offices in Grand Falls. There is a team of

individuals who work there called field staff. These individuals are in touch

with fish harvesters and plant workers in my district and other districts along

that particular area of the Northeast Coast on almost a daily basis. I think

that the individuals who work for the department are very decent individuals and

they know a lot about the people they serve.

What I asked the minister last week is, if that field staff could compile a

list of the numbers of people in each of the regions and forward that

information on to Ottawa. Obviously, our provincial minister hasn't done that.

Mr. Hearn said yesterday, if he had that information he might be able to

expedite this process. In other words, he might be able to speed it up.

I was very saddened and very angered to hear the federal minister say

yesterday that information has not been forthcoming from anybody from the

Province, and that surprised me because I did ask the minister some ten days ago

to do that. It would not be that difficult because I know the individuals who

work for fisheries in the district that I represent and I know that they know

the people in the Bonavista North area and they know the people in the New World

Island, Change Islands, Twillingate Island, Fogo Island region. I bet you within

a very short period of time they could tell the federal government exactly what

the numbers are, and I was saddened and angered at the same time by the fact

that the provincial government does not seem to be that much interested in

helping these individuals out. I do not understand why they would not because I

am not asking the minister to do the work. I am asking his staff to do the work,

and I am sure that his staff would be more than delighted to forward that

information on to the federal government.

So, it leaves me to wonder if the provincial government is really serious

about trying to get an EI extension for those affected, or maybe they have an

alternative motive here, or ulterior motive. Maybe they have a motive that -

maybe they do not want the federal government to step in and help out these

individuals because the federal government might look good if they were to do

that. I explained that to the federal minister yesterday. I said to him, I said

minister: I know the relationships and the relations between the federal

government and the provincial government at this point in time is somewhat

strained, but if you were able to do something for the people on the Northeast

Coast and the Coast of Labrador, at least you might be able to curry some good

favour amongst the individuals in that area. I know that you are taking a

beating from the general population of this Province but I think that if you

were to step up to the plate now and put some money on the table to help out

these individuals, then some of these individuals at least might be thankful for

you and look at you in a different light than they are looking at you today.

I spoke quite frankly to Minister Hearn, as I always have and he speaks quite

frankly to me, but I am rather disappointed to learn that we are not, as a

provincial government - I should not say we, because we are doing our part, but

the government is not doing their part to do the calculations and try to get

some of the figures put together so that they could present that to Ottawa so

that these people who have not had a cheque come in for some seven weeks now

could have an income - so it could tie them over until they are able to get out

to the fishery. Because if you listen to Environment Canada, these ice

conditions could remain for another month. That would be all of April, all of

May and all of June without a source of income.

The other thing, too, Mr. Speaker, that I am somewhat perplexed about is

this, the provincial government has not stepped in to try and help these

individuals. They have not stepped in, and it is my understanding that if some

of these individuals who have not received a cheque for seven weeks or

thirty-five days, or forty-nine days, they are not eligible for social services

because if you apply for social services, one of the criteria for receiving

social services is that you have to be without any money for sixty days. So,

they are really in a bind. You cannot just walk into a social services office if

you spent your last unemployment cheque last week and look for social assistance

this week. You have to wait sixty days. Some of these individuals have already

waited forty-nine days without a cent coming into their house and they are going

to have to wait another eleven days before they apply for social services. They

might have to wait another fourteen days on top of that before they get any

assistance. I think this is absolutely atrocious, especially when we are talking

and dealing with a government today that has a surplus in their pockets, or in

their Budget this year of $260 million; $260 million and it seems like the

plight of all of those thousands of people on the Northeast Coast in Labrador,

on the Labrador Coast are being left out like forgotten people.

If you talk to these individuals, like I do, some of them will go so far as

to say that they think there is a plan afoot to drive them out of these rural

communities in the area that I talked about. I am not saying this myself, that

is what I have been told. A lot of them are saying, if we do not get some help

very soon we are going to have to go to Alberta. A lot of them have already left

to go to Alberta, especially crew members, Mr. Speaker. When they realize that

they already have pretty well two months of the fishing season gone - the crab

fishery, I say, the most important one in that whole area that we are talking

about, is scheduled to close on June 15. Today is the sixteenth or seventeenth

of May. That fishery is going to close in less than a month. They do not have a

pot in the water yet. They do not even have their boats in the water, Mr.

Speaker, and the fishery is supposed to close in less than a month. So you can

imagine the stress and the strain - not to mention the fact that they do not

have a cent - and the impact that this is having on these individuals and their

families.

We are not talking about big strapping men and women. We are also talking

children having to go to school everyday and their parents without a cent for

seven weeks. I think it is absolutely atrocious. I think it is absolutely

atrocious that our provincial government - when the Premier talks about caring

for people and standing shoulder to shoulder with people, where are those broad

shoulders now of the Premier, I say, because I have not heard him mention it? I

have not heard him mention anything. All they say is, it is a federal government

responsibility. Well, if that is the case, what happens if the federal

government says we are not doing it? What happens to these individuals? We are

not going to do that. You are not getting an EI extension, and there is a month

or two before they get out to their fishery. What happens to these individuals

in the interim? What happens - which is a big fear in my district today - once

the ice moves off, in two or three or four weeks from now, and they put their

crab pots in the water and we experience softshell crab?

Now, I do not know if all of these individuals sitting across the floor, from

St. John's, know what that means, talking about softshell crab. That means -

it is as simple as this - as soon as they find a high incidence of that in the

fishery, that is closed. That, for the most part, will mean a complete loss of a

fishing season for most of the individuals in that area that I talked about,

from Bonavista north to Nain. Then what do we do?

I guess what the crowd opposite are saying, then: Well, at least by that time

they will qualify for social services.

I say, Mr. Speaker, if that happens this year, the crowd opposite will not

have to worry about giving a lot of social services because 90 per cent of the

people in that area will move out of this Province and go to the mainland to

work. That is what they think the plan is, in my district - they honestly

believe it - because they really feel that they are being let down by this

government, because this government is not making the representation that they

think they should be making to the federal government to get some help on this.

The only one I have heard, to date, even mention it publicly is the Member

for Bonavista North, in his first debut on the Open Line show this morning,

criticizing me because I mentioned his name, that we have not heard from him. He

was more interested in criticizing me than he was about really presenting the

issue of some help for his constituents, so he is obviously playing politics

with it. I am quite prepared to leave the politics aside in this, quite

prepared. I have not mentioned politics up until this point in time, expect to

give the federal government a smack up the side of the head over it because they

have not been doing due diligence in trying to help out those individuals.

Mr. Speaker, I would like for the Minister of Fisheries and the Deputy

Premier of the Province to tell me later on today if, in fact, he has his field

staff compiling some of this information so that he can send it off to the

federal government so they can expedite the possibility of these people

receiving some Income Support in terms of an EI extension before it is too late

for them.

We all know, the minister said here in the House of Assembly, that a week ago

- more than a week ago, the Sunday before last, it will be two weeks this Sunday

- he went to Ottawa, flew to Ottawa on a Saturday afternoon, met with the

federal Minister of Fisheries in Ottawa, in his office, had his staff accompany

him, sat across the table from Mr. Hearn, eyeball to eyeball, talking about FPI,

and never mentioned the ice conditions and the need for an EI extension. He said

that in the House of Assembly here last week. That was confirmed by Mr. Hearn,

to me, yesterday morning in my conversation with Mr. Hearn. I think that is

atrocious. I mentioned that on an Open Line program last week and Mr. Randy

Simms even agreed. He does not always agree with me, but he is a half-logical

individual and he said that the minister, the Deputy Premier, missed a golden

opportunity to raise this very serious issue, to raise this very serious issue

with the Minister of Fisheries. That is unconscionable; because, even if he had

forgotten himself, I am sure that he had his staff with him.

I know, when I was Minister of Fisheries, and even today when I am a

backbench Opposition member, even today I have an assistant working with me, and

I remind her very often: Don't let me forget this.

All the minister had to say, when this issue arose in the House two weeks

ago, before he went to Ottawa: Don't let me forget to mention the ice

compensation and the EI extension to Mr. Hearn when I meet with him on Sunday.

Obviously, it was not a major concern to anyone over in the Department of

Fisheries or the issue would have been addressed when they were in Ottawa last

week.

What I am saying, Mr. Speaker, is that this government should get off their

derrieres, get the figures, document them, find out how many individuals, or

roughly how many individuals, need an extension to their EI, and forward that

off to Ottawa immediately. They do not even have to go up themselves with it,

Mr. Speaker; that stuff can be faxed now, or sent by e-mails, so they do not

have to fly to Ottawa again to do it, and waste time. All of that information

can find its way to Ottawa in a very short period of time. It might not even

need to go to Ottawa. We have DFO offices here in St. John's, along with EI

offices, and in Gander and other places across the Province.

All I am saying is that it is a very serious issue. I wish that more of you

opposite would take it more seriously and do something, at least hear your

voices in the media, on the television screens and out on the Open Line shows,

to at least let your constituents know that you are worried about them, that you

are thinking about them, you want something to change.

Try and leave the politics out of it. I know when I was on the air I said I

have not heard from the Member for Bonavista North or the Member for

Windsor-Springdale, the Member for Bonavista South, and a few of you. I did not

mention you by name, so I did not mean to rile up the Member for Bonavista North

today.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time has expired.

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, I would like for them to get serious and do

everything that they possibly can to help the individuals affected in these

areas because, Mr. Speaker, they are in dire straits. They need help, and they

need help from whomever they can get it.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The motion before the House is that the House concurs in the

approval of the report of the Social Services Committee on Supply.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion carried.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, Motion 2, Committee of Supply.

I would like to move, I guess, that the House resolve itself into a Committee

of the Whole to consider the matters related to Executive Council.

MR. SPEAKER: The motion is that this House resolve itself into a

Committee of Supply to consider certain motions relating to the Executive

Council Estimates.

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

On motion, that the House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole, Mr.

Speaker left the Chair.

Committee of the Whole

CHAIR (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

The Committee is ready to receive debate and entertain questions, if

necessary, on the heading of Executive Council.

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It is an honour and a privilege for me to stand here in my place today to

introduce the Estimates for the Office of the Executive Council. What has been

happening here is that as part of the Budget process, one of the things we do is

that we present the Estimates. We present the actual spending in each head under

the Estimates for approval for the House of Assembly. Normally, this is done in

various committees.

For example, as the Minister of Finance, the Finance Estimates were presented

to one of the committees of the House. I believe it was the Committee on

Government Services, and at that committee meeting my colleague, the hon. Member

for Grand Falls-Buchans was there, members of the Opposition were there, members

of the government were there and they questioned me, as the minister, and the

senior officials of the department as to what each of these Estimates were and

what we were spending money on so that government, through that process, is

accountable to the people of this Province as to how we spend the money because

it is obviously extremely important that we spend that money wisely.

Government has no money of its own. Any money government gets, it gets and

takes from the people of this Province. It does it through taxation, it does it

through charging fees. It is the people's money that the government is

spending. The government has the legal right to spend that money, but it is

spending the people's money and therefore - as was said to me at one of the

pre-Budget consultations I attended, I think it was either the mayor or the

deputy mayor of Stephenville Crossing. He said to me: You are spending the

public's money. You have to spend that money wisely and you have to take it

very seriously. That message has stayed with me, and it will stay with me

throughout my political career.

Today, we do something different. In addition to the Estimates that take

place in the various committees - there was a Resource Committee, a Social

Services Committee, as well as a Government Services Committee. The same process

went on, the Estimates, the heads of spending of the various departments was

presented. The ministers appeared before the committees, they had their

officials with them and they accounted to the members of the committees for how

they were going to spend the taxpayers' money. That is a very basic and

fundamental process based on accountability, based on openness and transparency.

It is a very important part of a whole process that we go through as we spend

the taxpayers' money.

Today, we are going through a process that is a bit different. While the

process is essentially the same, we are doing it here in the main Chamber of the

House of Assembly, we are doing it in the Committee of the Whole and we are

doing it before the TV cameras so that the people of Newfoundland can see what

the process is like. I do not know why certain things happen in the House as

opposed to in the Committee meetings, why the heads of expenditure that we are

going to look at today are held here. I do not know the answer to that, but I am

sure someone will explain it at some point during the discussion today.

What we are going to talk about today is the expenditures in Executive

Council. Under Executive Council we are going to look at the establishment of

the Lieutenant Governor. We are going to look at the expenditures that are

taking place there. Under Office of the Executive Council, we are going to look

at the expenditures in the Premier's Office, we are going to look at the

expenditures of Cabinet Secretariat. Now, that is group at the top of the scale

in the civil service who actually carry out the instructions and policies set by

the Cabinet. There is the Communications and Consultation Branch of Executive

Council. There is Financial Administration and Human Resource Support. Later on,

I understand, we are going to do the Estimates for the Public Service

Secretariat. Most people will remember the Public Service Secretariat as what

was referred to once as Treasury Board and came into an existence with respect

to a reorganization that took place, I think it was in 2005.

So, we will go through these numbers and members of the Opposition will be

able to stand and ask questions concerning these Estimates and make their views

known on the expenditures. Members of the government side, as well, will take

part in the debate and in the discussion.

With that, Mr. Chair, I will sit down now and let the debate and discussion

begin. I look forward to the questions from the other side, and I look forward

to all members taking

part in what I am sure will be an interesting discussion.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

CHAIR: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am pleased to stand today and respond to the Minister of Finance, his

presentation on Executive Council.

One of the things he mentioned in his speech was, he wondered why Executive

Council would be debated in the House of Assembly as opposed to in Committee,

kind of like behind closed doors and not on camera.

The reason for that is because the Executive Council really is the Office of

the Premier - and most taxpayers always find that very interesting - and the

Transparency and Accountability Office, Communication Consultation Branch and,

of course, our Lieutenant-Governor's house, Intergovernmental Affairs

Secretariat, Office of the Chief Information Officer, Protocol, Rural

Secretariat, Women's Policy, Public Service Secretariat. So, under that

umbrella of Executive Council, people are always curious as to how government

fills those offices, how they spend the money for those offices, and do they

spend it in the best way possible.

Our job, as the Opposition - and it was interesting when the Minister of

Finance said that all members of the House will have an opportunity to ask

questions around this particular part of government spending, but he knows full

well that his own members will not ask him any questions in the House today so

he is safe in that regard.

It is interesting, too, that while the current government was in Opposition -

and I know the Minister of Finance was not part of that group - the Opposition

always questioned the Lieutenant-Governor's establishment. I, for one, always

supported the Lieutenant-Governor's house, Government House, which we have all

grown to appreciate and are very proud of, so I do not have any issue with the

Lieutenant-Governor's house. Our current Lieutenant-Governor, Edward Moxon

Roberts, has been one of the first ones to make it open to the public, and I

think that has been a good thing. It is the people's money that pays for

Government House, and I believe that it should be open to the people.

I am wondering, though, in Government House spending for next year there is

going to be $40,000 spend, new money, on property, furnishings and equipment. I

do not know if the minister will want to get up when I ask these questions or if

he would like to make note of it and answer probably on his own time, because I

know that will cut into my time if he stands up and gives me the answer there.

That is Government House, under 1.1.02.07, Property, Furnishings and

Equipment. There is going to be a $40,000 expenditure this coming year for

Government House, on property, so I am curious as to what government intends to

buy there. Maybe the minister can make note of that and let me know.

I think the most alarming thing that we found out a while ago, in the Premier's

Office, when I look back at the Estimates and the Salary Details, what is

actually spent in operating the Premier's Office on a year-to-year basis. The

last year that we were the government - that was 2003 - we spent under $1

million in salaries and operations for the Premier's Office. Just in salaries

alone this year, this coming year, for the Premier's Office, $1.4 million is

going to spent in just salaries alone. That brings into question: Why is the

Premier spending an extra - $500,000 is what it is - why is the Premier spending

an extra $500,000 in salaries this year for his staff? That is the curious part

about all of this.

We saw in the newspaper a while ago - and this is only under Communications -

that the Premier's own staff in the Premier's Office are getting pay hikes.

The pay hikes that the Premier's staff are getting are scandalous. They are

ranging anywhere from 8 per cent to 17 per cent. Tell me, do you know of any

other public servant within the government of this Province that is going to get

a pay raise anywhere between 8 per cent and 17 per cent?

Some of these people are going from - I will give you an example - a Chief of

Staff with the Premier's Office, his salary is going from $121,000 to

$131,000, and the Director of Communications - I happen to know the Director of

Communications - that person, actually her salary is going from $89,000 up to

$102,000. That is from $89,000 to $102,000, an increase of 14 per cent in just

one year. Now, I know the Director of Communications is a busy job, but when you

ask around government every job around government is busy. Even the MHA's job

is quite busy. We are not on set hours, nine to five. In fact, our hours are

twenty-four seven. We are available no matter who calls or when they call; we

are ready to go.

There is another new staff member and that title is Deputy Chief of Staff.

Now, it is bad enough to have what we call a Chief of Staff. Every premier who

has been around since 1949 has had a Chief of Staff, but now we have a Deputy

Chief of Staff. That is a brand new position that is coming on board this year.

I guess the person is already in the job now, because this Budget was brought

down April 26. As a result of that, that person has probably been hired, hired

something like the new Electoral Officer, Mr. Paul Reynolds. His job has not

been sanctioned yet by this House of Assembly, but he has been on the payroll of

this Province since the first of May. His salary is over $100,000 a year.

We have the Chief of Staff getting the big salary increase of 8 per cent, and

he had so much work to do that he couldn't work by himself, so they created

another position, so that position would work with him. That is called a Deputy

Chief of Staff for $95,000 a year.

These are the kinds of jobs the Premier won't be talking about when he has

his job fair in two weeks time. He won't be asking people to apply for this

job. That job won't be advertised.

In addition to that, they have a Special Advisor, mind you now. This person

was making $85,000 and as of the first of April that person is going to make

$92,000. That is an increase of 8 per cent.

I don't know what the Principal Assistant does. The Principal Assistant,

that is a brand new title. I never heard tell of it in my life before. That

person was making $83,000 in March and now, today, that person is making

$90,036, an 8 per cent increase. Instead of the Chief of Operations handling

everything in the Premier's office, along with the Chief of Staff and his

Deputy Chief of Staff - they can't work alone - he has another one hired now,

what they call the Director of Operations, and that person went from $70,000 to

$82,000 in a space of an overnight decision. That increase amounts to 17 per

cent. That is outrageous.

This is another one, a brand new position, called Manager of Community

Outreach. Now, that is a person who is doing all the political stuff out in

every community, lining things up for the Premier. That salary went from $68,000

to $80,000, an increase of 17 per cent.

When you look at the salaries for the Premier's Office in 2003, and you

look at them again in 2007, we have an increase of $500,000 in salaries to

operate the Premier's Office, and he was the person who was going to operate a

lean, mean machine. Can you imagine that?

There is so much in here, it is hard to know where to begin; because, in my

first session here, I have only fifteen minutes.

I want to talk now about the Ottawa office. The very first Budget that I

critiqued for the new government was in 2004, and this is 2007. The current

Premier decided to have an office in Ottawa, at a cost to the taxpayers of this

Province of $400,000 a year. Now, the current person sitting in the Ottawa

office is John Fitzgerald. If anybody can tell me what he does up there, I think

I will be surprised with the answer; because, as far as I know, the boardroom is

never used in the Ottawa office. You can hang out a line of clothes in the

Ottawa office and it would never be disturbed.

MR. PARSONS: Doctor Feelgood's limousine service.

MS THISTLE: Doctor Feelgood's limousine service is always there in case

they have somebody from this government going up, but, as you already know,

since March 19 there is nobody going to the Ottawa office from this government.

There is nobody going up. We have all kinds of pressing federal-provincial

issues here that nobody from this government are dealing with because the

relationship has soured with Stephen Harper.

Just this week, just yesterday, I had four telephone calls from my very own

district, Grand Falls-Buchans, from people, organizations, who cannot get any

money to hire students. We have the Exploits Visitor Information Centre out

there in Grand Falls-Windsor, called the tourism centre. They have about 30,000

people go through their office every year, and two nights ago they had to have

an emergency meeting and discuss what they were going to do. They decided to

keep the locks on the door for another three weeks to see if they can get any

funding to hire the students, because if they cannot hire the students they

cannot operate the tourism facility.

Now, we have the Salmonid

Interpretation Centre and also Sanger Memorial RV

Park that operate in partnership with the Salmonid

Interpretation Centre. They

have, in the same way, almost - well, over 30,000 visitors went through the

Salmonid

Interpretation Centre last year. They cannot open; they do not have

students to hire.

In addition to that, we have a soccer program in Grand Falls-Windsor - Grand

Falls-Windsor Minor Soccer - 300 children play soccer every summer in Grand

Falls-Windsor. We do not have the students to operate that program.

We have also heard from the Heritage Society. They operate thirteen museums

in the Exploits Valley, right from Leading Tickles to Buchans. They do not have

staff to go in their thirteen museums.

What is this government doing? The Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment, is he talking to his Ottawa office? Because there is nothing coming

back through this government and being distributed out to the general public.

You have no resolution on the student hirings. Are you going to let that brew,

and the only people who will be affected are students and you are not going to

bother about them?

You have $261 million in surplus, this government has. You know, if Ottawa

are not going to deal with this problem - the Minister of Human Resources,

Labour and Employment has not been on his feet one day in this House of Assembly

to tell the people watching that he is going to resolve the problem out there.

I am going to ask the Minister of Finance: If you cannot deal with Ottawa, is

the provincial government going to step in and fix this problem for the students

of our Province? That is one big issue.

Now, today the Premier was asked: What are we going to get out of the

Atlantic Gateway investment program that every other province across the country

is going to get something from? Halifax, or all of Nova Scotia, all of British

Columbia, and we are not even on the radar screen simply because we have a sour

relationship with Ottawa; but, you know, we have to deal with them. Some time or

other we have to deal with them. We are losing out. We are absolutely losing out

big-time in federal-provincial partnership programs.

It is true, Stephen Harper did not keep his promises, but is our provincial

fisheries minister going to not deal with him on the ice matter and the

extension of EI? Is our human resources or human - what do you call this new

title our minister has now? Human Resources, Labour and Employment, is it? I

cannot keep up with you guys, you are changing the Cabinet names every so often.

Anyways, he has not dealt with the federal counterpart on that matter. Are

you going to deal with the student employment issue? Is the Premier going to

deal with the Gateway policy on investment in this Province?

CHAIR: Order, please!

I remind the hon. Member for Grand Falls-Buchans that her time for speaking

has lapsed.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I do hope I will have an opportunity to continue.

Thank you.

CHAIR: Before the Chair recognizes the Member for Labrador West, is the

Chair under the impression that there is leave granted for the member to deliver

his speech without being interrupted?

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

CHAIR: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

It is indeed with a deep sense of pride and humility that I rise today in

this hon. House to deliver my maiden speech.

In my speech today, I want to acknowledge the people who are responsible for

putting me here today, I want to talk about the great District of Labrador West,

and I want to touch on the great Budget and the great news that it contains for

my district.

First of all, I want to thank the voters of Labrador West for the confidence

and the trust that they have placed in me to act as their representative, their

voice in this Legislature. This trust comes with a great deal of responsibility,

something which I take quite seriously, something I think about a lot, hoping

that I can live up to the expectations. I promised my constituents that I would

work hard on their behalf and give them the sincere, dedicated representation to

the best of my ability. I believe I am living up to that commitment, to now, and

I will continue to do so as long as I am their representative.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: Mr. Chairman, an election campaign is only as good as the team

of volunteers you have around you. I had the best, and I thank them from the

bottom of my heart for giving so freely of their time. My campaign chair, my

co-chair, my financial person, sign crews, poll captains, drivers and countless

others. The victory was indeed the result of a great team effort which could not

have happened without the great commitment of everyone involved. The level of

support was overwhelming, and I will be forever grateful to them. I want to

thank my family, my wife, Theresa, who is here in the gallery today, our son and

daughter and our four grandchildren for their great support.

Mr. Chairman, campaigning in Labrador, in winter, in February, can be

challenging at the best of times, but this year we hit a particularly cold snap

right in the middle of the campaign. I thank my colleagues in this House, MHAs

and Cabinet Ministers who came out and braved the elements to campaign

door-to-door and provided such great, valuable support.

I especially want to thank the Premier for his support. He went door-to-door

and also braved minus forty degree temperatures at the early morning Tim Horton

drive through. More importantly though, was the opportunity for him and his

ministers to meet the various stakeholder groups, the town councils, the union

leaders and others to hear the issues first hand.

Mr. Chairman, I have called Labrador West home for the past forty-three

years, and I can think of no better place to live. With my wife, Theresa, we

have raised a son and a daughter who, in turn, have given us four lovely

grandchildren. We are fortunate that they continue to make Labrador West their

home. I may be a little biased, but I truly believe that Labrador West offers

the best standard of living and the quality of life of any region or district in

this Province. There is no better place to raise a family. We are unsurpassed

for our outdoor sports and recreation. There is really something for everyone

who wants to get out.

A lot of our facilities are run by non-profit organizations and operated

mainly by volunteers. We are very proud of the achievements of our athletes and

organizations at the provincial, national and indeed at the world level over the

years.

Some of our facilities: The Menihek Nordic Ski Club, which cross-country ski

trails are world-class, and actually we have hosted several world cups back in

the 1980s. The Great Labrador Loppet, which is a cross-country ski race, is an

annual spring tradition which goes back to the early 1970s.

Our alpine ski club, Smokey Mountain, caters to alpine skiers and

snowboarders. This club has hosted numerous national events over the years. The

popularity of snowboarding in the region is fast attracting new and younger

members.

Our White Wolf Snowmobile Club is very active with over 1,000 members who

travel on some of the best groomed trails you will find anywhere in this

country, or indeed anywhere in North America. Cain's Quest, a 1,000 kilometre

snowmobile endurance race through the Labrador wilderness, is one of the

toughest and most challenging anywhere in North America. This year's event had

eighteen teams from Labrador to the Eastern US and was covered by Snow Trax TV

and TSN. After just two years, this event is gaining national and international

participation and acclaim and playing a great role in promoting Labrador West as

a winter tourism destination.

Our Curling Club has enjoyed great success and acclaim over the years. The

Sue Anne Bartlett rink was the legendary provincial champions for years on end

and, of course, the real crowning moment came just last year or the year before

when two of our own, Mark Nichols and Mike Adam, helped bring home Olympic Gold

as part of the Brad Gushue team.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: Our figure skating club has enjoyed great prominence over the

years. Just last year our own Joey Russell was crowned the Canadian Junior

Champion.

The annual regatta on beautiful Jean Lake in Wabush is certainly one of the

great highlights of our summer season.

Of course, Labrador has long been recognized as a prime hunting and fishing

destination. The migratory George River caribou herd, of about a million animals

really, is the greatest and largest in the world. Of course, our rivers and

streams and lakes are an angler's dream.

Mr. Chairman, Labrador City and Wabush were built by the mining companies in

the early 1960s and remained company towns until 1981 when both held their first

municipal elections. These towns are a model of what modern, well-planned towns

should look like. The combined population was approximately 16,000 back at the

end of the 1970s, but then a major slump in the price of steel in 1981 resulted

in mass layoffs and a resulting drop in our population. Although the mining

companies today are prospering and producing at record levels, workplace

efficiencies and technology have enabled them to operate with much lower

workforces. Our population has held fairly steady at around 10,000 until

recently. The population is now on an upswing, as more and more retirees choose

to stay in Labrador West, and more young people are being hired to replace them.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: This has had a rejuvenation effect on the towns, and we are

now one of the few regions in this Province which has an increase in our school

populations. It is also interesting to note that out of the current group of 130

future employees in the Mining Technician Program at the local college,

eighty-one, or 63 per cent, of those people are female. These are

non-traditional jobs which, now, we have more than a 50 per cent population or

group that are in those particular programs, so gender equity is certainly alive

and well in our area.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: The residents of my district are a kind, caring, compassionate

people. Their generosity is unsurpassed anywhere in this country. When the first

MRI unit was being purchased for this Province back in the early 1990s, the

workers at IOCC and Wabush Mines agreed to voluntary payroll deductions for a

three year period to help fund this project. The total amount pledged by the

IOCC workers and the company, both combined, was in the vicinity of $340,000. I

do not have the Wabush numbers, but I would suspect that the two companies

combined, with their employees, that number was in the range of about $500,000.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: Certainly, we were the greatest contributor towards this

particular fundraising project.

The Legion telethon raises upwards to $25,000 annually to purchase equipment

for our local hospital. Events such as Relay for Life, Walk for Prostate Cancer,

all raise amounts on a per capita basis far surpassing anywhere else. When an

individual or a family is in need, the response is immediate. The Christmas Food

Hamper Drive is another testament to the caring nature of our residents.

Mr. Chairman, the downturn notwithstanding, Labrador West has truly been an

economic success story since 1962. Strategic reinvestment by IOC and Wabush

Mines, combined with a hard-working, dedicated workforce, have contributed to

this long-term success and viability. The long-term future outlook is also very

encouraging. The demand for iron ore in the emerging markets of China and India

has driven prices to record highs. The Iron Ore Company of Canada is currently

planning a major expansion. A recent discovery at the Bloom Lake deposit just

across the border in Fermont, Quebec, may be the answer to the long-term

viability of Wabush Mines.

The development of a major iron ore deposit near Schefferville could see

mining activity on a scale rivaling the Iron Ore Company. The mining companies

provide well-paying jobs - actually, at about $10,000 above the national average

- and the local purchase policy of these companies has resulted in numerous

industrial suppliers setting up shop in the region. The spinoff business is

providing a good tax base for all levels of government. There are approximately

250 businesses in the area, resulting in a retail activity at about 48 per cent

above the national average.

Mr. Chairman, the economic success of Labrador West has also provided a

steady flow of higher than average tax dollars to the provincial Treasury for

the past fifty years. As the saying goes, as someone said here last week, what

is good for the goose is also good for the gander. It is an understatement to

say that we have given more than we have received over the years.

While we have a lot of the amenities of life and a lot to be proud of, we are

also lacking a lot of the basics which most on the Island part of our Province

take for granted. Transportation, health care and post-secondary education

facilities are some of the major issues we face.

Mr. Chairman, now for the good news. With this government and this Budget,

the time for Labrador has finally come.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: The upgrade and hard surfacing of the Trans-Labrador Highway

to national highway standards will start this year, with or without the federal

cost-sharing.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: It is indeed shameful the way the Stephen Harper government

has been holding up this funding to fit their own political agenda. Labrador is

called the Big Land for a reason. With close to 600 kilometres just between

Labrador West and Happy Valley-Goose Bay, you are looking at a seven to

eight-hour trip, or the time it would almost take for you to drive across this

Island. A good highway system across Labrador will have a great economic impact

from tourism to industrial development, much as the building of the QNSL Railway

by the Iron Ore Company of Canada did for mining development back in the late

1950s.

Mr. Chairman, our health care facility has long outlived its useful life and

has been a burning issue for a long time. Again, this government has responded

with a commitment for a new twenty-eight bed, $60 million facility.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: The design work, site preparation and ground work will be

completed this summer and construction will start next year.

Mr. Chairman, the College of the North Atlantic in Labrador West is renting

space for its campus in a former elementary school which is less than adequate

for its intended purpose. The news gets better. Our government, in recognition

that Labrador West is a major industrial growth centre, has announced a new

state-of-the-art $18 million campus designed to accommodate 250 students and

also designed for future growth.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: Again, design, site preparation and ground work will get

underway this year with construction starting next year.

Mr. Chairman, one of the dominant issues expressed in my district was the

lack of apprenticeship training programs being offered at the local college.

This was not only contributing to the skill shortage in the area, but was

creating social and financial hardship for those having to complete those

programs on the Island. It was especially hard on young, single mothers who

simply had to pass up the opportunity. Mr. Chairman, the announcement of two new

apprenticeship programs starting in September in industrial electrical and

industrial mechanical will go a long way in addressing this problem, and it is

certainly music to my ears.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: Another issue which really pulled at my heartstrings during

the campaign were the stories relayed to me by several young MS sufferers who

were trying to live independent lives but burdened down by enormous drug costs,

as much as $25,000 annually. The announcement of the drug enhancement program

will give them, and sufferers of other debilitating diseases, back that

independence and dignity.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BAKER: The cost of servicing high student debt was another issue of

concern in my district, as I am sure it is everywhere. The reduction of 2.5

percentage points down to the prime rate will go a long way to alleviate that

burden. That, combined with an up-front needs grant and maintaining the present

tuition freeze, will give our students a financial advantage which is

unsurpassed anywhere in this country.

Mr. Chairman, I am very pleased to see our government put money back into the

pockets of its taxpayers. The taxpayers who have borne the brunt of taxation

over the years, when our fiscal situation was far worse than it is today. The

reduction in the tax rates and the elimination of the 9 per cent surtax will

benefit many taxpayers in my district. This surtax was imposed on higher income

earners to help offset budget deficits. Now that we are finally in a surplus

situation, it is only fa

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