Manitoba Hansard — 23 May 2017 (Sitting 56B, 41st Legislature, 2nd Session)

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Second Session – Forty-First Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXX No. 56B - 1:30 p.m., Tuesday, May 23, 2017 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-First Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP BINDLE, Kelly Thompson PC CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC CURRY, Nic Kildonan PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FLETCHER, Steven, Hon. Assiniboia PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib.

GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Clifford Emerson PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake PC JOHNSTON, Scott St. James PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLASSEN, Judy Kewatinook Lib. LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Burrows Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MARTIN, Shannon Morris PC MAYER, Colleen St. Vital PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew, Hon.

Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Arthur-Virden PC REYES, Jon St. Norbert PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples Ind. SCHULER, Ron, Hon. St. Paul PC SELINGER, Greg St. Boniface NDP SMITH, Andrew Southdale PC SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC SWAN, Andrew Minto NDP TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WHARTON, Jeff Gimli PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian, Hon.

Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC YAKIMOSKI, Blair Transcona PC Vacant Point Douglas

2341 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Tuesday, May 23, 2017 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Madam Speaker: Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 35–The Agricultural Producers' Organization Funding Amendment Act Hon. Ralph Eichler (Minister of Agriculture): I move, seconded by the Minister of Infrastructure (Mr. Pedersen), that Bill 35, The Agricultural Producers' Organization Funding Amendment Act, be read for a first time. Motion presented. Mr.

Eichler: This bill requires designated persons or companies that purchase agriculture products from producers to withhold a percentage of the purchase and remit the amount to a certified organization, presently Keystone Agricultural Producers. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] Bill 225–The Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation Amendment Act Hon. Steven Fletcher (Assiniboia): I move, seconded by the member from Burrows, that The Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation Amendment Act be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr.

Fletcher: This bill will help all catastrophically injured people in Manitoba who fall under the MPI legislation. This will bring it in line with

section 138 of the legislation, which essentially says in our no-fault system anybody who's injured under MPI legislation should be able to reach their full potential as human beings. There are some artificial cap s that affect the ability to achieve this goal and particularly for young people and the catastrophically injured. I hope the House will support this bill. Thank you. Madam Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Agreed? [Agreed] Madam Speaker: Committee reports? Tabling of reports? MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Madam Speaker: The honourable Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage.

The 90 -minute notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accordance with rule 26(2). Would the honourable minister please proceed with her statement. Indigenous Music Awards Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Sport, Culture and Heritage ): I rise today to recognize and celebrate the winners of this year's Indigenous Music Awards, which were held at the 2017 Manito Ahbee Festival this past weekend. Indigenous music in Canada has reached new heights in the past year, with artists in all genres, both contemporary and traditional, breaking new ground.

The accomplishments of i ndigenous musicians and songwriters have been recognized for their power, their artistry and their ability to inspire and entertain new generations of indigenous and non-indigenous music fans alike. Locally, the Manito Ahbee Festival organizers have worked tirelessly to ensure that opportunities are available for our community to participate in and learn about the rich offerings of indigenous music and art. I commend and congratulate them on a stellar awards show.

Awards were given to artists from across the globe in blues, country, folk, rap, pop, hip hop , instrumental, rock and indigenous -language cat - egories. Awards were also given to honour those who support and service indigenous music, including video, audio production a nd radio programming. Finally, p owwow music was also honoured, with awards going to the best hand drum, powwow contemporary, powwow traditional and peyote albums. Special mention has to be m ade, of course, of our own homegrown Manitoba i ndigenous artists and media, who took home three awards.

Singer - songwriter Jade Turner, a double nominee in this year, brought home the award for Best Country

2342 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 Album for her latest release, North Country. Classically trained singer Rhonda Head won in the Best Inuit, Indigenous Language, or Francophone Album category for her album, Kisahkihitan. CBC's Radio One's Unreserved: Radio Indigenous wit h Rosanna Deerchild landed the b est radio s tation program promotion indigenous music award. I encourage all Manitobans to join me in congratulating and celebrating all of these amazing artists and industry workers for their wonderful achievements and for enriching the lives of every music fan here in Manitoba and beyond.

Thank you very much. Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): Every year the Manito Ahbee Festival gives Manitobans and visitors an opportunity to live, share and enjoy the richness of indigenous cultures, histories and traditions. This past week/weekend, the festival came to a close with thousands of people celebrating together at the Manito Ahbee powwow along with a concert that my colleague mentioned. I also just want to note that my own uncle, Vince Fontaine, from Eagle & Hawk and Indian City, also received a lifetime achievement award which I'm obviously very proud. Manito Ahbee means where the Creator sits.

The festival derives its name from a sacred site in Whiteshell Provincial Park where traditional teachings and wisdom have long been shared. Manito Ahbee is more than just a festival. It's the second largest gathering of its kind in North America, Madam Speaker. It's purpose is to create a gathering to celebrate indigenous culture and heritage that unifies everyone. I also want to make special mention for the incredible work of the board of directors under the guidance and direction of Lisa Meeches, who do a phenomenal job every year pulling all of the myriad of activities together.

I celebrate them and lift them all up for their work that they do. Miigwech. Ms. Judy Klassen (Kewatinook): Canada is a beautiful mosaic of cultures–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Oh, pardon me; sorry. Ms. Klassen: Oh, sorry, yes. I ask for leave to respond to the ministerial statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the statement? [Agreed] Ms. Klassen: Canada is a beautiful mosaic of cultures and it' s truly amazing to see that we celebrate it so openly. Manito Ahbee is an indigenous cultural festival that went from Wednesday of last week to Sunday.

There was a multitude of event s that occurred as part of the festival. A sacred fire was –started the festival with cultural teachings throughout the weekend. The knowledge of elders was abundant. Many that were there remember the harsh reality of what once was. They remember a Canad a where it was forbidden to speak their language, practice their culture, or even to look Indian in public. Many of the elders are survivors o f the residential school system where, despite the odds, they held on to their cultures and traditions.

Their history is vital to remember and highlights why events like Manito Ahbee is so important for indigenous peoples. This past weekend we could highlight our amazing musicians, dancers and artists, something our elders may have only dreamed of as children. We wer e also able to promote and provide a gathering of many i ndigenous entrepreneurs and business people at a tradeshow. It was a spectacular weekend. I would like to congratulate the winners of the Indigenous Music Awards and of the jigging and powwow competitions.

I would also like to thank the volunteers who run the event and the elders who gave us their knowledge . And thank you for everyone in attendance for making the event the success it was. Thank you, Madam Speaker. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Don Penny Mr. Reg Helwer (Brandon West): Madam Speaker, I was very pleased to attend the inaugural Assiniboine Community College courage award dinner with my colleague from Brandon East where they honoured Mr. Don Penny. Don is a great individual to recognize.

One of the three founding partners of Meyers Norris Penny & Company, Don was the driving force behind the accounting firm's growth from a small city firm in 1958 to the fifth largest national firm with over

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2343 3,500 employees. Don saw that expansion as a way to ensure the firm would survive. Don is much more than an accountant. As a leader, business person, volunteer and mentor he has advised many successful businesses and entre - preneurs. It seems that just about ever yone I know has a Don Penny story about how he has helped, guided and arranged just the right introduction. I have many Don Penny stories and he has had a significant impact on my life. * (13:40) Don's second merger was a small firm in Neepawa, Horne Fin layson.

That merger brought George Horne and his family to Brandon. In particular, there was a beautiful , young athlete, musician and scholar named Aynsley Horne that attracted my attention. Don always was keen on attracting new clients but was focused on main - taining existing clients. I don't think it hurt customer retention to have the son of one of MNP's larger clients marry the daughter of one of their partners. Don has taught many of us the benefit of donating, not just money but also time and contacts.

I suspect that there is hardly a board, team, arts or culture organization th at has not had someone from MNP volunteer as a board–or in every city, town and community in which MNP has an office. Through his decades in Brandon, Don has been part of nume rous community efforts as well as provincial and national boards. Thank you, Don, for all your guidance and leadership. Destination Imagination Mr. Ted Marcelino (Tyndall Park): Today, I would like to recognize six students from Garden Grove School in Tyndall Park. They are from grades 4, 5 and 6.

Their names are Amelia Barrett, Riley Syrnyk, Aidan Soforino, Bianca Imperial, Lores Scilla and Emmanuel Guevarra. Today, these students are off to Knoxville, Tennessee, for the finals of Destination Imaginat ion, the world's largest celebration of creativity. This competition was created to teach real -life skills needed in today's ever -changing world, like creative and critical thinking, team building, problem solving and risk taking.

Over 8,000 students from more than 15 countries will be competing in a series of innovative challenges that will test those skills and be asked to showcase their solutions in a series of unique challenges. Students from Garden Grove worked tirelessly during lunch hour and before and after school to perfect their skills. As a reward for their dedication and commitment, these six students were eventually chosen to compete in Tennessee. Madam Speaker, I would also like to thank the staff and teachers of Garden Grove School, as wel l as Principal Karin Freiling for their commitment to their students.

I ask all members to join me in wishing Amelia, Riley, Aidan, Bianca, Lores and Emmanuel the best of luck in the Destination Imagination competition this week and a safe journey. I know you'll do Garden Grove School proud and be great ambassadors– Madam Speaker: The member's time has expired. Niverville's Old Tyme Country Fair Mr. Shannon Martin (Morris): Madam Speaker, the smells, sights and sounds of rural Manitoba has to offer in terms of country fairs will soon be upon us.

As a rural MLA, I am fortunate to have a number of fairs in my constituency , which also results in too much cotton candy and a few too many spins on the Tilt-a-Whirl as I try to keep up with my kids. One of the first fairs coming up is Niverville's Olde Tyme Country Fair, June 9th and l0th. The fair has a rich history going back to the 1960s, but in the early '90s , unfortunately, it faded from existence. However, in 1996, a sma ll group of volunteers decided to reinvent the fair , re naming it the Niverville Olde Tym e Country Fair. The name change must have worked, because we are now celebrating our 21st year.

Of course, there will be great music all weekend. The headliners this y ear include Cold Creek Country from Ontario, The Washboard Union from Vancouver and Manitoba's own Quinton Blair, who in 2015 and 2016 won Manitoba's Country Music Association Roots Artist of the Year award. Other events include the vintage car show, which in years past has had over 175 vintage cars and motorcycles. As well, extreme motocross will be happening all weekend; not too many things can compare to someone jumping a 250- pound motorcycle 75 feet through the air, doing a back flip.

2344 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 I would like to take this time to thank general manager Jeff Stott and the fair committee. They're a dedicated group of people who work yea r-round to bring this fair together. And , of course , the amazing group of volunteers, our hats go off to you. Community festivals as big as these ones aren't possible without a committed group of volunteers, but that's the kind of people we are in rural Manitoba.

So I'd encourage all my colleagues to come out to Niverville on June 9th and l0th and witness first-hand how this community lives up to its slogan: Where You Belong. Thank you. Aboriginal Awareness Week Ms. Judy Klassen (Kewatinook): Aboriginal Awareness Week was first created in 1992 and is observed on the four days following Victoria Day. What started out to increase awareness of the role of–the role Aboriginal people played in Canada has evolved and grown into a celebration of our First Nations, non-status, Metis and Inuit peoples.

Aboriginal Awareness Week is celebrated throughout the country and includes a variety of activities to encourage co -operation and mutual understanding. This week also provides a means of fostering better relationships with our indigenous peoples. Through learning a nd getting to know each other, we break down walls that divide us and we come together. Celebrating this week takes many different and unique forms. From honouring leaders of the indigenous community, to engaging in traditional crafts, Canadians have foun d many ways to engage and learn about our indigenous culture and heritage.

It is not only non- indigenous people who learn from this week. Aboriginal Awareness Week creates an opportunity for our indigenous people to reconnect with their cultural heritage and learn more about their proud histories. Celebrating this week should be taken as a learning opportunity for all Canadians. I know many of our indigenous youth love the chance to learn as much as they can during this week. Coast to coast to coast, the beauty of our indigenous culture is given a chance to shine this week, and I encourage everyone here today to find an event and take advantage of this amazing celebratory week.

The indigenous people of Canada are always willing to share their cultural kno wledge and heritage with anyone interested in learning more. Whether you are being taught by the Haida of the west coast, the Mi'kmaq of the east coast, or the Inuit of our north coast, you are sure to learn something new. Miigwech, Madam Speaker. Winnipeg Ballet Satellite Program Recital Mr. Derek Johnson (Interlake): I rise in the House today to recognize a Royal Winnipeg Ballet School Satellite Program annual recital that took place in Eriksdale School on May 13th.

I appreciated the opportunit y to congratulate everyone on their special day. We had a treat with performances, including ballet, tap and jazz, along with guest dancers from the Royal Winnipeg Ballet. I always enjoying visiting schools in my constituency and seeing the promising, tal ented young people who are growing up in the Interlake. Of course, this school is near and dear to my heart, as I attended Eriksdale School, well, let's just say many years ago.

Now, I have to confess that I don't know much about dance, and you probably don't want to see me dance, but I do know enough to appreciate that everyone there has put up a lot of work in their dance troupe in preparation for the show. So no matter what they decide to do later in life, whether they want to become a teacher, a docto r, a farmer or even go into politics, you can be sure their hard work and their devotion they show to their program will serve them well later in life.

So, I'd also like to thank Dolly and Nicole and their group for their hard work of putting the recital together and the parents for the countless hours behind the steering wheel and getting everyone where they need to be and, of course, all the participants for being courageous enough to participate in a spectacular event such as this. Thanks to everyone fo r contributing their time over and above what is expected of them. It's dedication like theirs that make the Interlake not only a great place to visit but a spectacular place to live. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

Introduction of Guests Madam Speaker: Prior to oral questions, we have some guests in the gallery.

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2345 We have seated in the public gallery from École George V School, 24 grade 4 students under the direction of Guy Belot, and this group is located in the constituency of the honourable member for Concordia (Mr. Wiebe). Also in the public gallery, from New Life Fellowship School, 17 high school students under the direction of Roman Kornelson, and this group is located in the constituency of the honourable member for Emerson (Mr. Graydon).

And sea ted in the public gallery from Harold Hatcher School, 44 grade 3 and 4 students under the direction of Stephanie Rempel and Georgette Narin, and this group is located in the constituency of the honourable member for Transcona (Mr. Yakimoski). * (13:50) On behalf of all members here, we welcome you to the Manitoba Legislature. ORAL QUESTIONS Hydro Rate Increases Affordability Concerns Ms. Flor Marcelino (Leader of the Official Opposition): Want to take a moment to offer our condolences to the many victims, some very young, their families and friends of the terrible terror attack in England.

We stand with them in this time of tragedy and against these senseless violent attacks on innocent victims. Madam Speaker, it is clear that the Premier has politicized the rate -setting process for Manitoba Hydro. He is sowing fear in the public of the possibility of massive rate hikes. His Cabinet passed a last-minute order to alter the mandate of the P UB and his government repealed the law that guaranteed Manitoba had the lowest energy rates in the country. Madam Speaker, the Premier's agenda is clear. Will the Premier stop the 'politization' of Hydro and commit to keeping rates affordable for Manitobans? Hon.

Brian Pallister (Premier): Madam Speaker, the politicization of Hydro by the NDP government is what has led to a lot of the challenges that face Manitoba Hydro today and we have no intentions of repeating the mistakes of the past. Rather, we propose to learn from them and not repeat them. Madam Speaker: The honourable interim Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Ms. Marcelino: The Premier confounds many Manitobans. Some days he agrees with the Crown Services Mi nister who calls –who called Hydro bankrupt. The Premier said in Estimates last week that Hydro is a ticking time bomb.

But the next day the Premier called investments in Keeyask and bipole significant investments in a green economy. He wants to undermine the reputation of Hydro for political reasons while taking credit for the green future Hydro has created. Will the Premier retract his claim that Hydro is a time bomb and get back to the work of building Hydro for all Manitobans? Mr.

Pallister: Madam Speaker, I think the confusion lies, perhaps, with the member more than on this side of the House because, although investments made in Manitoba Hydro thoughtlessly and without foresight or planning, were done by the previous administration, they remain –and are –significant investments in green energy production. This does not mean that they produce profits, certainly not in the next few decades, and so the two things are not mutually exclusive.

The member needs to gather her thoughts and understand that M anitoba Hydro faces major capital demands as a result of these projects and that these things should be considered, and the rate -setting mechanism is something for the Public Utilities Board to consider, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honourable interim Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Ms. Marcelino: Hydro used to be one of the lowest utility rates in North America. Madam Speaker, the Premier needs to be clear with Manitobans. We know on this side of the House where we stand.

We know that investments in Hydro build our future and keep life affordable for the long term. They are investments which build this province, but the Premier's actions suggest a different path. He demands massive job layoffs at Hydro and welcomes massive rate increases. The path the Premier has chosen is one where we hive off sections of Hydro, just like with Efficiency Manitoba, because the Premier's misguided vision.

2346 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 Will the Premier stop undermining our most precious Crown corporation and stop his plan to create Efficiency Manitoba? Mr. Pallister: Madam Speaker, here's a quote: Manitoba will take immediate action to create a new demand-side management agency, establish energy savings targets, work to lower utility bills by taking the existing Power Smart program to the next level. That's a quote from the previous NDP government. What the member is now criticiz ing was the centrepiece of the previous administration's green plan. Madam Speaker, they had all the information.

They knew that they could enact the program which would reduce hydro rates for Manitobans, but they decided not to, and we're going to. Efficiency Manitoba Act Request to Withdraw Mr. Ted Marcelino (Tyndall Park): Tonight, Bill 19, The Efficiency Manitoba Act, will be debated at committee. Again, I know the member for Assiniboia (Mr. Fletcher) has concerns regarding the bill, and we do as well. To begin with, the government has made no attempt to consult with the staff at Power Smart regarding what front-line workers know and think is best.

Will this government stop this bill and actually consult with front-line workers? Hon. Brian Pallister (Premier): We value consultation, Madam Speaker. We demonstrated it by doing real consultation, and the position the member chooses to raise the concept of consultation in is the position in respect of having an efficiency organization to assist Manitobans in keeping their hydro rates low. This was a position taken by the previous administration without consultation or discussion. We have been doing research. We assume the previous administration did some, though that was covered up and not made public.

But this was the centrepiece of their green plan. The position we're advocating for is one which is–has been recommended by a number of prominent NDP members in the past. I expect the support of my members opposite today, though I'm never sure of the position of that caucus currently, Madam Speaker. I expect there are diverse views. But that being said, it is something we're going to adopt because we do want to keep hydro rates low for Manitobans, as low as is possible given the inherited massive misadventure of the roll- the-dice previous government who gambled the future of Manitoba Hydro to Americanize it.

We'll deal with the consequences that they failed to deal with. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a supplementary question. Mr. Marcelino : Madam Speaker, this government pretends to make a commitment to Manitoba Hydro and then it orders over 900 job cuts a nd locks up rural offices across the province, hitting small communities real hard. Instead, they want to put in place more bureaucracy with Efficiency Manitoba. Why is this Pallister government undermining the work that Hydro is doing? Mr.

Pallister: Well, again, Madam Speaker, sharp contradiction and change in position, and if the members have a new position they should put it on record. But their position just two years ago –year and a half ago, in fact, articulated by the member for St. Boniface (Mr . Selinger), then the leader ––was this: Manitoba will take immediate action to create a new demand -side management agency, establish energy savings targets and work to lower utility bills. Their energy 'miniger' –Cabinet minister at the time, Dave Chomiak, repeated that promise. He said, we have a terrific energy demand -side management program.

We've always said we're putting in place a separate demand-side agency. So, Madam Speaker, prominent members – present and past–of the NDP have said this was their position, in fact, the cornerstone, the keystone position of their entire green plan. If they're departing from it, let them let the public know. We're adopting a system of demand -side management which will work better. That's what the expert report commi ssioned by the previous government told them, but they covered it up, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Marcelino : The opposition to Efficiency Manitoba is clear. It is bipartisan and it c omes from the front lines.

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2347 It is clear this minister did not consult front- line workers. He did not even consult his own caucus. The minister needs to admit this bill is not properly thought out. * (14:00) Will he withdraw it and go back to the drawing board? Mr. Pallister: Well, the challenge for Manitobans in respect of facing the possibility of higher hydro rates has never been greater, Madam Speaker, because of the incredible mismanagement of the previous administration.

The fact of the matter is this position was the same by both parties until recently and now, I guess, the NDP has departed from their previously held cornerstone of their green plan to a new non-green plan of some kind, and I'd like them to articulate what that position actually is. The fact remains that this was the first bullet of the energy management green plan proposal the previous government said it was going to adopt and then it failed to adopt it; didn't listen to Philippe Dunsky, the expert witness, didn't listen to the PUB, didn't listen to Dave Chomiak, Tim Sale, Len Evans, Ed Schreyer.

A lot of people they don't listen to, Madam Speaker. Sometimes I wonder if they're even listening to one another. I'd like to know what the position they have now as a party is on this demand -side management agency because they used to say it was a great idea, and Madam Speaker, we think it is. Public-Private Partnerships Transparency and Accountability Mr. Wab Kinew (Fort Rouge): I'd be curious to know the member for Assiniboia's (Mr . Fletcher) views on the matter of Efficiency Manitoba.

This government is set on removing the only piece of legislation in Canada that compels some form of accountability for public -private partner - ships, arguing that it discourages their use. Can the Premier tell the House: If legislation to make sure that P3s have accountability gets in the way of doing the actual P3s, doesn't that say something about the P3s this government is considering? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Finance): I thank the member for the question. Now, what the member leaves out of his premise is the fact that Manitoba was the only jurisdiction in Canada with a legislative approach.

Now, let us understand this was not a legislative approach to enable the contemplation of P3s where appropriate. No, rather than that, it was meant to blockade the approaches of P3 because their friends in labour didn't like the approach. We won't take an ideological approach. We'll take an approach that gets results for Manitoba. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Fort Rouge, on a supplementary question. Mr. Kinew: It's too bad to hear the Finance Minister characterize accountability in those terms.

You know, across Canada information about P3s is routinely withheld from the public because of commercial confidentiality or Cabinet confidence. Now, along with the dismantling of The Public-Private Partnerships Transparency and Accountability Act, this government is also reviewing the freedom of information act. Will this govern ment commit to adapting the FIPPA law so that the public can have access to information regarding public-private partnerships? Mr. Friesen : This member, of course, does not indicate that the federal government stands in favour of P3s.

He does not indicate the vast majority of provinces stand in favour of P3 approaches. He does not acknowledge the hundreds of projects currently completed or under way that are producing real value. He does even not acknowledge the fact that a senior NDP strategist wrote a pa per to talk about the underused advantages of P3s. Madam Speaker, seemingly everyone gets the advantage of contemplating P3s where appropriate, except for the NDP. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Fort Rouge, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Kinew: One of the most important issues surrounding public -private partnerships is the issue of risk transfer and how it's calculated over the lifetime of a project. Now, risk transfer is like the secret sauce of these P3 deals. It's the key reason proponents say these details–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Kinew: –these deals taste so good. But trouble is, no one knows the actual ingredients of these

2348 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 secret recipes because they're always held confidential. If this government truly values transpare ncy and openness, will they commit to making information about P3 risk transfer accessible to the public so Manitobans can decide for themselves if these deals make sense? [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Order. Hon. Brian Pallister (Premier): Take a look at the record, Madam Speaker, of the previous administration and think about it in the context of transfer of risk.

The NDP politicized decisions around Hydro investment, took them away from Manitobans, circumscribed the requirements under the Pub lic Utilities Board, Clean Environment Commission. They didn't transfer the risk to anybody except Manitobans. Madam Speaker, Manitobans absorb all the risk, a hundred per cent of the risk, and now they talk about transparency. They're the ones who covered up untendered contracts. They're the ones who gave sole-source contracts to friends of their party and refused to disclose those contracts, refused.

The Auditor General of the Province of Manitoba–former Auditor General Carol Bellringer reported on this , said it was an–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Pallister: –epidemic. This is now the argument of the member for Fort Rouge, that he knows how to do infrastructure projects when the previous administration didn't know how to do it for 17 year s. According to the member for Fort Rouge, the only people that are wrong are everybody else, Madam Speaker.

We want to get 3P projects going because we believe there's a potential to rebuild our infra - structure, for so many years ignored by the previous administration. They were good at putting up signs. They just weren't good at building roads and bridges, Madam Speaker. Minimum Wage Increase Indexed to Rate of Inflation Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): After freezing the minimum wage for a year, while giving themselves a 20 per cent salary increase, this government has increased the minimum wage – [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms.

Fontaine: –by three nickels This government's announcement was immediately criticized by minimum wage workers and poverty advocates for legislating poverty, including Josh Brandon, and I quote: If Bill 33 had been in place since 1998, minimum wage today would be $7.40; minimum wage workers would earn $7,000.00 less per year. Honestly, Madam Speaker, how can this government justify three nickels? Hon. Cliff Cullen (Minister of Growth, Enterprise and Trade ): I do appreciate the question from the member. I don't certainly agree with all the premise she included in her question.

Clearly, when we consulted with Manitobans they were looking for consistency; they were looking for predictability and I think that's what this bill provides Manitobans. It certainly provides that predictability going forward. Certainly the business community has said they liked the predictability. And I would think the Manitoban workers that now have security–security over their purchasing power–I think that's something Manitoba employees would like as well. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Johns, on a supplementary question. Ms.

Fontaine: The Premier and all his Cabinet took 20 per cent increase while at the very same time freezing the minimum wage for a year, taking about $400.00 out of the pockets of working Manitobans. He then went on to argue that increasing the minimum wage does not re duce poverty –like, seriously–in this House. I am proud our NDP government's total increase to the minimum wage was more than double the rate of inflation, recognizing that by lifting up Manitoba workers, we're lifting up all of us alongside – [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms.

Fontaine: –our economy Will the minister admit that his increase will fail to repair the damage his freeze caused in the last year? Mr. Cullen : Well, Madam Speaker, I think the member is misleading Manitobans. Certainly, those premises are untrue.

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2349 In fact, what happened under the NDP back in 2014 when the provincial sales tax was increased, what did we see Manitobans –in terms of foodbank usage? A 2.4 per cent increase in foodbank uses; those are the kinds of taxes the NDP implemented that had negat ive impacts on low -income Manitobans. Madam Speaker: The honourable for St. Johns, on a final supplementary. Ms. Fontaine: As I've noted time and time again in this House, poverty and social exclusion disproportionately impacts on women. Minimum wage earners are predominately single mothers.

Raising the minimum wage is a concrete tool that is proven to provide real and concrete support for women and their children. For women and mothers in Point Douglas life below the poverty line is a harsh reality. Th is government's callous freeze and measly three -nickels increase is making life harder and less affordable, impacting the Point Douglas community. Will the minister increase his minimum wage, lifting working Manitoba women up out of poverty? * (14:10) Hon. Brian Pallister (Premier): Here's a quote, Madam Speaker: A sales tax is a regressive tax which impacts low-income citizens more.

That was a resolution in 2015 that was passed at the NDP annual general meeting. It was supported by former member Theresa Oswald. I think many members of the NDP understand the damage they did to low -income families when they raised the PST. They understand it. They don't want to take ownership of it, but they understand it nonetheless. Hit low -income people, low -income women, low-income families particularly hard.

The way to undo some of that damage is to raise the basic personal exemption and index it to taxation, to invest in social housing, to invest in additional child care, to raise the median market rent for peo ple who need rental assistance to 75 per cent of market value. Madam Speaker, these are all things we've done that they failed to get done. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. SafetyAid Crime and Falls Prevention Funding Status of Program Mr.

Andrew Swan (Minto): Can the Minister of Justice tell the House why she's cancelled all of her department's funding for the SafetyAid crime and falls prevention for older Manitobans program? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): Always pleased to get up on an issue to do with justice in Manitoba and protecting Manitobans in the way of safety and health. And certainly we know that we were left a mess to clean up by the previous NDP government. It's going to take some very difficult decisions that are going to have to be made.

But we are working with all Manitobans and consulting with all Manitobans with respect to those issues, and we will continue to do so, unlike members opposite that left us in the mess that we're in today. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Minto, on a supplementary question. Mr. Swan: The SafetyAid program delivered by Age and Opportunity has provided over 7,800 home audits and has installed deadbolts, peepholes and other safety equipment free of charg e to low-income seniors across Manitoba.

More than 44,000 Manitoba seniors have attended a SafetyAid presentation 'whits' gives information about safety equipment, preventing falls and also about fraud prevention. Program helps seniors to continue to age in place successfully, maintain their independence and feel secure and comfortable in their homes and apartments. Will this minister reverse this short -sighted and mean-spirted cut? Mrs.

Stefanson : Certainly one could argue that it was short-sighted and mean -spirited of the members opposite to raise the PST when they did, after they promised not to, and leaving low-income Manitobans in a very difficult situation– An Honourable Member: And seniors. Mrs. Stefanson: –and seniors in Manitoba in a very difficult situation. So we will work with all Manitobans to ensure their health and safety, unlike members opposite that left us in the mess that we're in today. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Minto, on a final supplementary.

2350 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 Mr. Swan: Manitobans are entitled to feel safe in their communities and most of all in their homes. The police and the communities tell us that residential break -ins are way up in this minister's first year, and it appears her only response is to cut funding to a modest and e ffective program helping our seniors to feel safe in their homes, in their houses and their apartments.

If the Minister of Justice doesn't care, I hope the Minister responsible for Seniors does: Will he commit to making sure the SafetyAid program continues to provide crime prevention and falls prevention services to low -income seniors in Manitoba? Mrs. Stefanson: Well, this coming from a member, the member for Minto, who was the previous Justice Minister, under his watch, where there were –when Manitoba had more homicides per capita than any other province, where Manitoba's violent crime rate was second worst among the provinces and where Manitoba's incarceration rate increased by more than any other province.

That was under his watch. We, again, Madam Speaker, are working with Manitobans to ensure the health and safety of all Manitobans, including our seniors. Manitoba Communities Emergency Preparedness Ms. Judy Klassen (Kewatinook): The Manitoba Liberals echo respect and we send our condolences to those families affected in Manchester. Being prepared for any type of emergency is vital. We need to ensure our first responders are equipped to deal with emergency situations. Forest f ire season is upon us, and there are numerous vulnerable communities across Manitoba.

Will the minister tell us what actions his government has undertaken to ensure people are protected and can be assured of safety measures within their communities? Hon. Blaine Pedersen (Minister of Infrastructure): We certainly agree that safety of all our members of our communities across Manitoba in emergency situations are, in fact, kept safe, and that's what our department continues to do. We are working to be prepared for this year's forest fire season with our water bombers and we will be ready to go, if needed. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Kewatinook, on a supplementary question. Ms.

Klassen: Since this government has been elected, we have lived through Fort McMurray's devastating fire. I am very worried as to what I've seen in response time on several fronts by this new government. I have seen little or no improvements as to equipment or other resources in northern communities set in the boreal forests. What is this government doing to build capacity and what investments have been made in equipment this past year? Mr.

Pedersen: I thank the member for that question because it gives me the opportunity to express our thanks to the department s taff that have been working throughout northern Manitoba. Over the long holiday weekend there was a number of washouts on both PRs 280 and 391 and the department staff was working overtime, making sure that they got these roads back. It was culverts washed out, roads washed out, and they were doing their best and working with the communities to make sure that the access is maintained at these communities. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Kewatinook, on a final supplementary. Ms.

Klassen: I'm also very worried about the lack of communications between local governments, especially for the Dene nations, the Cree nations and the First Nations. This government is not doing its job of taking care of all of its Manitobans. When I am in certain communities, I have no cell nor Internet services. All leaders of communities need open lines of communications in case I cannot be reached. We are all Manitobans, after all. Have there been clear directions and paths of a– of communications established in order to ensure emergencies are responded to to ensure that tragedies are avoided? Thank you. Hon.

Cameron Friesen (Minister of Finance): I thank the member for that question. She asked the question what is this government doing to build capacity, and we are proud to tell Manitobans that after taking government and learning about the state of affairs with our public safety emergency communications network we are

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2351 investing in a n ew network for Manitoba. We are putting forward this project. The former government was warned for eight and nine years earlier, saying this system is failing, the system that our police, our fire, our ambulance, all depend on. They ignored every warning; they kicked the can down the road. That will not be the approach. That is why, even at this time, we are pleased to be finalizing a request for proposals to replace Manitobans' existing obsolete public safety network. We need this program. We're making the investment.

Keystone Agriculture Producers Remittance and Annual Membership Mr. Brad Michaleski (Dauphin): Madam Speaker, agriculture is an economic engine for Manitoba that provides thousands of jobs. Producers are busy enough, and the last thing they need is more red tape. This morning, our government introduced Bill 35, The Agricultural Producers' Organiza tion Funding Amendment Act that reduces red tape for producers and the Keystone Agricultural Producers. Would the Minister of Agriculture please update the House on how this bill will improve the lives of farmers in Manitoba and cut back on red tape? Hon.

Ralph Eichler (Minister of Agriculture): I want to thank the member for the question. Of course we've been consulting with Manitoba farm families. We're pleased that Keystone ag producers could be with us today to celebrate this introduction of this bill. This bill designates producers or companies that buy or purchase farm products to remit a percentage of those purchases, remit the amount to the certified organization, and the certified organization treats the amount as payment towards the produce rs' annual membership in that organization.

And, best of all, it's refundable at the request of the producer, if they so choose. * (14:20) Seniors' School Tax Rebate Impact on Seniors Mr. Mohinder Saran (The Maples): I convinced the previous government to give a Seniors' School Tax Rebate up to $2,300. The PC Party also promised during the election to do the same if they are in power. Now the PC has clawed back school tax rebate to $470, with other clawback conditions. Will the Premier (Mr. Pallister) give back this tax rebate to the seniors? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister of Finance): I thank the member for that question.

Let us be clear, Madam Speaker, what the facts are–that the NDP, sitting on year -after-year inability to actually match revenu es expenditure, outspending their planned budget every single year and desperate after a failed leadership coup, they decided to promise the world and the stars to seniors and promised to quadruple–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Friesen: –a payment that they had no plans to actually implement.

We are proud to have been able to renew the Seniors' School Tax Rebate at its current $470 value and make sure that it is income tested to produce real results for real Manitobans in need. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for The Maples, on a supplementary question. Mr. Saran: Then why did the –did PC promise during the election if they were not to keep the promise? Seniors are part of our local economy. They need the higher tax rebate to hav e money to stay in their homes, stay in active willing –wellness programming and to spend in their local economy.

A healthy, active senior community reduces health-care system uses and allows more seniors to take

part in social and charitable events, participating at community clubs and being available as role models to youth. By cutting this rebate, the Premier's creating stress for seniors, and we all know stress causes health issues. Why does the Premier insist on taking money out of the pockets of Manit oba seniors, reducing their ability to have healthy aging? Mr. Friesen : The member asks a question about taking money out of the pockets of Manitoba seniors.

And coming from that member, it's quite a question, understanding that the former NDP government first widened the 'restail' sales tax, taking in an additional $180 million a year. But it wasn't good enough for them; the next year, they raised the PST to 8 per cent, taking

2352 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 in $270 million additional in revenue, taking that money out of the pockets of hard -working Manitobans and taking the money out of the pockets of the very seniors he pretends to want to support. Where was their concern for affordability then? Madam Speaker: The honourable member for The Maples, on a final supplementary. Second-Suite Housing Municipal Zoning By-Laws Mr.

Mohinder Saran (The Maples): Seniors can develop secondary suites to earn some extra money to stay longer in their homes, or they can stay with their grand–their children in granny suites Does the minister of family service still provide a forgivable loan of up to $35,000 maximum? I also started a discussion with the mayor of the city of Winnipeg, during my time, to aid the zoning bylaw. Does he put any effort to ask the City of Winnipeg to prepare suitable zo ning bylaws to help to create the friendly, applicable bylaws? Hon.

Cameron Friesen (Minister of Finance ): Well, I thank the member for this question about affordability because this government has been clear that affordability matters. That's why we're the government who indexed the tax brackets, raised the basic personal exemption, removed 2,200 Manitobans from the tax rolls in doing that and will remove many, many more as we move along. Madam Speaker, let's be clear; that government's approach was to widen the retail sales tax, was to apply tax to whole areas for seniors like their home insurance policies, like their haircuts, like their personal services.

These are the kinds of measures that the NDP brought. They failed when it came to affordability. We plan to keep our promises. Community Places Program Availability of Application Forms Mr. Rob Altemeyer (Wolseley): I rise today to ask a question about a very successful government program that survived for decades. Multiple govern- ments of different stripes have kept it intact, and, indeed, on the minister's own website, the tag line is, helping build communities since 1986.

I'm wondering when the minister plans to issue the appli cation forms for this fiscal year for the highly successful Community Places Program? Hon. Eileen Clarke (Minister of Indigenous and Municipal Relations): I thank the member opposite for the question.

There has been many successes in the past years, and our government is doing a great job, in my opinion, of reviewing past programs that go out to our communities, our municipalities and ensuring that there's value for money and ensuring that there is returns on investment, and we will continue reviewing these programs and ensuring that they are well implemented in the coming future. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Wolseley, on a supplementary question. Mr. Altemeyer: I thank the minister for the part of that answer.

The other part that's missi ng, though, is my actual question: when are the application forms going to be available for this current year? This government froze funding for Community Places last year. That was a lost opportunity; we can't go back in time and fix that problem. What the government could have done, what the minister should have done is made sure that the applications for this year–which they were proud to say the money was available for the program in this year's budget–they should have had the applications available before the call of the by-election.

When are the application forms for Community Places going to be available? Ms. Clarke: Absolutely, correctly spoken. We can't go back–they cannot go back and fix the past; now it's on us and we are going to correct the past. Our program review uncovered opportunities to simplify our community programs, cut red tape and place stronger focus on outcomes, and we'll work with our community 'orgazations' to make sure that these long-due over changes are established. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Wolseley, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Altemeyer: Well, Madam Speaker, I don't know why it's reasonable for the minister to think that spending over a year reviewing a highly successful program is acceptable. That's ju st not good enough. What it sounds like to me is going on: the government wanted to take credit for putting funding on the books for a program that it actually has no intention of funding. If they actually got the applications out by mid -June, you would ha ve to wait for people to apply, then you'd have to approve,

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2353 and by then the construction season for these capital projects is gone. Will the minister commit today that all the money in her budget for Community Places is going to be given out in grants to hard-working Manitobans? [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Ms. Clarke: As I indicated, our department, our government and our communities will continue working together to streamline the processes and ensure that funding is available when we are completed through the process and can move on. Combatting Dangerous Driving Road Safety Improvements Mr.

Derek Johnson (Interlake): Madam Speaker, every year Manitobans are hurt or fatally injured due to dangerous driving on our roads and highways. This week is National Road Safety Week, an important reminder that one life lost to dangerous driving is one life too many. Our Progressi ve Conservative government is implementing strong measures to reduce dangerous driving in our province. Madam Speaker, can the Minister of Justice inform the House of the steps that have been taken to make Manitoba's roads safer? Hon.

Heather Stefanson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I want to thank the member for that very excellent question. In fact, last year, I was pleased to join my colleague, the Minister of Crown Services (Mr. Schuler), and MPI to issue a call to action to all Manitobans to end dangerous driving. Our government is also concerned about drug- impaired driving, especially once cannabis is legalized by the federal government. That's why we introduced The Cannabis Harm Prevention Act.

We are joined by MADD Canada, the RCM P and many other stakeholders in being confident that Bill 25 will help improve road safety for all Manitobans. Madam Speaker, there is plenty of work left to do to make sure our roads are safe, but we are committed to taking on that challenge and we're committed to working with all Manitobans towards more road 'safey'–safety in our province. Changes to Labour Laws Union and Management Consultations Ms.

Cindy Lamoureux (Burrows): Madam Speaker, we have sat through hours of committees dealing with labour legislation and it's clear that this government is not consulting–or should I say not listening–to Manitobans and to what labour has to say about reforming our labour laws. * (14:30) Does the minister agree that if you want to change labour laws that y ou need to build a consensus between unions and management? Hon. Brian Pallister (Premier): Well, not only do we agree, Madam Speaker, but we're taking the step to do so.

We have reached out; we have involved thousands of front -line workers in our consultation process for the first time in Manitoba history, and where previous governments did things without consultation, we're doing them with consultation. Not only that, but we're looking forward to protecting the workplace.

We're looking forward to improving the job security of our union workers, looking forward to improving the systems, Madam Speaker, so they're fairer to our children, and making services sustainable; looking forward to working with union groups to make union dues lower, not higher, and looking forward to lowering taxes for workers. So, that the old practice of pretending–what the NDP did was pretend that they put a loonie in one pocket but actually take it out of the other. We're not going to do that. We're looking to upgrade Manitoba as a place for working families.

Madam Speaker: The time for oral questions has expired. PETITIONS Taxi Industry Regulation Ms. Flor Marcelino (Leader of the Official Opposition): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The taxi industry in Winnipeg provides an important service to all Manitobans.

(2) The taxi industry is regulated to ensure there are both the provision of taxi service and a fair and affordable fare structure.

(3) Regulations have been put in place that has made Winnipeg a leader in protecting the safety of

2354 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 taxi drivers through the installation of shields and cameras.

(4) The regulated taxi system also –significant measures in place to protect passengers, including a stringent complaint system.

(5) The provincial government has moved to bring in legislation through Bill 30 that will transfer jurisdiction to the City of Winnipeg in order to bring in so-called ride-sharing services like Uber.

(6) There were no consultations with the taxi industry prior to the introduction of this bill.

(7) The introduction of this bill jeopardizes safety, taxi service, and also puts consumers at risk, as well as the livelihood of hundreds of Manitobans, many of whom have invested their life savings into the industry.

(8) The proposed legislation also puts the regulated framework at risk and could lead to issues such as what has been seen in other jurisdictions, including differential pricing, not providing service to some areas of the city, and significant risks in terms of taxi driver and passenger safety. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to withdraw its plans to deregulate the taxi industry, including withdrawing Bill 30. Signed by many, many Manitobans. Thank you.

Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule 133(6), when petitions are read, they are deemed to be received by the House. Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The taxi industry in Winnipeg provides an important service to all Manitobans.

(2) The taxi industry is regulated to ensure that there are both the provision of taxi service and a fair and affordable fare structure.

(3) Regulations have been put in place that has made Winnipeg a leader in protecting the safety of taxi drivers through the installation of shields and cameras.

(4) The regulated taxi system also has significant measures in place to protect passengers, including a stringent complaint system.

(5) The provincial government has moved to bring in legislation through Bill 30 that will transfer jurisdiction to the City of Winnipeg in order to bring in so-called ride-sharing services like Uber.

(6) There were no consultations with the taxi industry prior to the introduction of this bill.

(7) The introduction of this bill provides–bill jeopardizes safety, taxi service, and also puts consumers at risk, as well as the livelihoods of hundreds of Manitobans, many of whom have invested their life savings into the industry.

(8) The proposed legislation also puts the regulated framework at risk and could lead to issues such as what has been seen in other jurisdictions, including differential pricing, not providing service to some areas of the city, and significant risks in terms of taxi driver and passenger safety. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to withdraw its plans to deregulate the taxi industry, including withdrawing Bill 30. And this petition is signed by many, many Manitobans. Mr.

Tom Lindsey (Flin Flon): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. The background for this petition is as follows:

(1) The taxi industry in Winnipeg provides an important service to all Manitobans.

(2) The taxi industry is regulated to ensure there are both the provision of taxi service and a fair and affordable fare structure.

(3) Regulations have been put in place that has made Winnipeg a leader in protecting the safety of taxi drivers through the installation of shi elds and cameras.

(4) The regulated taxi system also has significant measures in place to protect passengers, including a stringent complaint system.

(5) The provincial government has moved to bring in legislation through Bill 30 that will transfer

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2355 jurisdiction to the City of Winnipeg in order to bring in so-called ride-sharing services like Uber.

(6) There were no consultations with the industry prior to the introduction of this bill.

(7) The introduction of this bill jeopardizes safety, taxi servi ce and also puts consumers at risk, as well as the livelihood of hundreds of Manitobans, many of whom have invested their life savings in the industry.

(8) The proposed legislation also puts the regulated framework at risk and could lead to issues such as what have been seen in other jurisdictions, including differential pricing, not providing service to some areas of the city and significant risks in terms of taxi driver and passenger safety. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to withdraw its plans to deregulate the taxi industry, including withdrawing Bill 30. Mr. Mohinder Saran (The Mapl es): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) The taxi industry in Winnipeg provides an important service to all Manitobans.

(2) The taxi industry is regulated to ensure there are both the provision of taxi service and a fair and affordable fare structure.

(3) Regulations have been put in place that has made Winnipeg a leader in protecting the safety of taxi drivers through the installation of shields and cameras.

(4) The regulated taxi system also has significant measures in place to protect passengers, including a stringent complaint system.

(5) The provincial government has moved to bring in legislation through Bill 30 that will transfer jurisdiction to the City of Winnipeg in order to bring in so-called ride-sharing services like Uber.

(6) There were no consultations with the taxi industry prior to the introduction of this bill.

(7) The introduction of this bill jeopardizes safety, taxi service and also puts co nsumers at risk, as well as the livelihood of hundreds of Manitobans, many of whom have invested their life savings into the industry.

(8) The proposed legislation also puts the regulated framework at risk and could lead to issues such as what has been s een in other jurisdictions, including differential pricing, not providing service to some areas of the city and significant risks in terms of the taxi driver and passenger safety. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to withdraw its plans to deregulate the taxi industry, including withdrawing Bill 30. Many, many Manitobans signed it. Thank you. Mr.

Ted Marcelino (Tyndall Park): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows: The taxi industry in Winnipeg provides an important service to all Manitobans.

(2) The taxi industry is regulated to ensure there are both the provision of taxi service and a fair and affordable fare structure. * (14:40)

(3) Regulations have been put in place that has made Winnipeg a leader in protecting the safety of taxi drivers through the installation of shields and cameras.

(4) The regulated taxi system also has significant measures in place to protect passengers, including a stringent complaint system.

(5) The provincial government has moved to bring in legislation through Bill 30 that will transfer jurisdiction to the City of Winnipeg in order to bring in so-called ride-sharing services like Uber.

(6) There were no consultations with the taxi industry prior to the introduction of this bill.

(7) The introduction of this bill jeopardizes safety, taxi service and also puts consumers at risk, as well as the livelihood of hundreds of Manitobans, many of whom have invested their life savings into the industry.

(8) The proposed legislation also puts the regulated framework at risk and could lead to issues

2356 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 such as what has been seen in other jurisdictions, including differential pricing, not providing service to some areas of the city and significant risks in terms of taxi driver and passenger safety. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to withdraw its plans to deregulate the taxi industry, including withdrawing Bill 30. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Marcelino: This petition was signed by many, many Manitobans. GRIEVANCES Madam Speaker: The honourable member for The Maples, on a grievance. Mr.

Mohinder Saran (The Maples): I rise today on a grievance on a very important day in terms of human rights in Canada. In fact, this is an infamous date in Canadian history. One hundred and three years ago, the Komagata Maru landed in Vancouver with hundreds of citizens on board. The vast majority were Sikhs. Virtually all of the passengers were British subjects who were l egally entitled to move to Canada. Despite this fact, the Conservative government of Canada, with the direct action of the local Conservative MP, acted to prevent them from entering and immigrating to Canada.

The reason they were denied entry was clear. This was part of a racist immigration policy that continued in Canada well into the 1960s. It was part of a series of racist policies that discriminated against South Asians to the point that it was not until 1948 that South Asians could actually vote in a provincial election in BC. As I stand here today as a member of the Legislature, proud to represent my constituents, proud of my own background as a Sikh, I am reminded that the struggle for human rights and fair treatment continues today. I know, from my personal experience, about discrimination.

As a provincial employee, I had to go through human rights processes because of this discrimination in my own workplace. Even as an MLA, I know that, like many of my constituents, I am still subjected to racism . Yes, racism and discrimination exists in Manitoba and Canada. We often like to think that this is a part of our history, part of our past, but all too often we are reminded that the legacy of discrimination continues to this day. That's why I am rising today on my grievance on this May 23rd, the anniversary date of Komagata Maru landing in– landing.

I am compelled to speak out against another discrimination actor – discriminatory act, one once again targets my community and my constituents, and that is the government legislation, Bill 30. For some, this legislation about jurisdiction in terms of taxis and this government's agenda to bring in Uber. But in many ways, this legislation echoes the approach of this government, this Conservative government, in a way that is similar to what happened 103 years ago; 103 years ago, Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus, who were all British subjects, were denied their legal right to enter Canada.

Today, Bill 30 denies the very basic legal rights of those that have invested half o f their life savings into the taxi industry. What does Bill 30 do? It takes away the licences of the taxi industry, sets up transitional licences but significantly denies the right of licence holders to any form of compensation. In fact, the bill says that even if the taxi industry was to file legal action today, with Bill 30 this Legislature will retroactively take away their right to due process.

Mr.–Madam Speaker, I believe it is no accident that the vast majority of taxi licensees and the drivers are from Sikhs and other minority groups. I do not for a moment believe that this government would have done this to other Manitobans. They would not have taken away the legal right of farmers in the same way that they have with the taxi drivers and owners. Let's not forget that there is clear legal precedent for compensation for those that have lost their licences, whether it be in terms of fisheries in this province or agriculture and anywhere –elsewhere.

Even today the federal government is saying it will provide compensation to dairy farmers affected by the European free trade agreement. Bill 30 is about confiscation instead of com - pensation. It violates not only property rights, but the right to due process. That is why I want to put on the record today that I will fight against this discriminatory bill. It is important to note that with the Komagata Maru nearly 100 years passed before the federal and

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2357 provincial governments apologized for this discriminatory part of our history. We do not have to wait 100 years. We can recognize this fundamental injustice and injustice targetting minorities, targetting the Sikh community in particular. I am speaking today, not just out of a sense of grievance, but out of a fundamental sense of injustice. As members of this Legislative Assembly, I ask particularly the government members who have supported this bill to look at history and look at the reality of what this bill does.

I cannot believe that in 2017 anyone can support such a fundamental discriminatory violation of people's legal rights. In the spirit of the Komagata Maru, I say to every member of the Legislature today, let us learn from the history. Let us recognize that it is wrong to deny people their legal rights. Let us recognize that it's wrong to discriminate against minorities. This is the 150th anniversary of Canada. I believe, as I have said, that all too often we have had a racist history, but I believe we are the masters of our own destiny.

We can build a better future, but only if we recognize injustice and discrimination. What this government is doing on Uber, what it is doing with Bill 30, is a relic of history. Let us move forward in this province and in this country. Let's reject this kind of discriminatory action by this government. Let's bring fairness to all Manitobans. Madam Speaker, I say to this government: do the right thing, withdraw Bill 30. Thank you. ORDERS OF THE DAY (Continued) GOVERNMENT BUSINESS House Business Hon.

Andrew Micklefield (Government House Leader): Pursuant to rule 33(7), I'm announcing that the private member's resolution to be considered on the next Tuesday of private members' business will be one put forward by the honourable member for Morris (Mr. Martin). The title of the resolution is the Previous Provi ncial Government's Hydro Mismanagement. Madam Speaker: It's been announced that the private member's resolution to be considered on the next Tuesday of private members' business will be one put forward by the honourable member for Morris.

The title of the resolution is Previous Provincial Government's Hydro Mismanagement. * * * * (14:50) Mr.

Micklefield: This afternoon I would like to call the following bills in the following order: Bill 5, the City of Winnipeg charter amendment and real property amendment act , Conforming to Construction Standards Through Agreements , for concurrence and third reading; I'd like to call Bill 14, The Emergency Medical Response and Stretcher Transportation Amendment Act, for debates on concurrence and third reading; I would like to call Bill 7, The New West Partnership Trade Agreement Implementation Act, for concurrence and third reading; and I would like to call Bill 30, The Local Vehicles for Hire Act, for second reading.

Madam Speaker: It has been announced that the House will consider the following bills this afternoon: 5, 14, 7 and 30. CONCURRENCE AND THIRD READINGS Bill 5–The City of Winnipeg Charter Amendment, Planning Amendment and Real Property Amendment Act (Conforming to Construction Standards Through Agreements) Madam Speaker: So, as agreed, we will move to concurrence and third reading of Bill 5, The City of Winnipeg Charter Amendment, Planning Amendment and Real Property Amendment Act (Conforming to Construction Standards Through Agreements). Hon.

Eileen Clarke (Minister of Indigenous and Municipal Relations ): I move, seconded by the Minister of Education and Training (Mr. Wishart), that Bill 5, The City of Winnipeg Charter Amendment, Planning Amendment and Real Property A mendment Act (Conforming to Construction Standards Through Agreements), reported from this Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed. Motion presented. Ms. Clarke: I'm pleased to speak in favour of Bill 5 today at third reading. Our government was elected on a commitment to make Manitoba Canada's most improved province.

As we strive towards that goal, we're making sure

2358 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 that provincial rules and regulations are smart, practical and foster an enabling environment for our businesses and communities to grow. And that's exactly what this bill will accomplish. We also committed to a new approach of working in partnership with our municipalities. Today, municipalities across the province know that they have a strong voice in our government.

Our approach to working together in partnership was evident in the way that we worked with muni - cipalities to develop a new basket -funding model, which was something that our municipalities have asked for. Bill 5 is another example of our commitment to work in partnerships. These are regulatory changes that Winnipeg has requested that we undertake. They asked, we listened and we're delivering in collaboration with Manitoba Justice and the Office of the Registrar General. My department has worked hard to develop this important piece of legislation.

Bill 5 allows Manitoba municipalities to register conforming construction agreements at the Land Titles. A conforming 'constructuring' agreement is another voluntarily tool in a municipality's planning and development approval toolbox. To meet building code or zoning bylaw requirements, developers will sometimes enter into agreement with an adjacent landowner that places building controls or restrictions on the adjacent property or to allow for continued access over the adjacent property.

This legislation would provide for the muni - cipality to become a party to these agreements and enable the municipality to register the agreements against the titles of the affected property. This would ensure that the agreements run with the land and that the building code or zoning requirements are met into the future, even if one of the properties is sold. Conforming construction agreements are also known as spatial separation agreements. They are recognized in the National Building Code and a re commonly used in other Canadian jurisdictions, including Ontario and Alberta.

Madam Speaker, as I mentioned, this legislation is another example of government's commitment to work together in partnership with our municipal partners and to deliver on their needs and priorities. In recent years, the City of Winnipeg has been requesting that the Province provide legislation to allow them to register conforming construction agreements. As the City of Winnipeg and other municipalities in Manitoba continue t o grow and expand, they will need a full suite of planning tools to allow them to efficiently respond to and to accommodate development proposals.

The ability for municipalities to enter into conforming 'constructure' agreements can facilitate and expedi te complex development proposal involving multiple buildings, multiple parcels of land, downtown developments, large -scale retail and commercial developments. This legislation provides Winnipeg and all other Manitoba municipalities with another tool to facilitate and 'expediate' construction and develop- ment proposals. The city of Winnipeg is growing and our government will continue to be a strong partner to support that growth.

That means working together with our municipal partners to make sure that there is sensible enabling regulatory environment that supports growth and economic development. We have listened and we will continue listening to municipalities so that the Province of Manitoba is enabling their growth development and long -term success. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I'm pretty pleased to speak to Bill 5 at third reading, and I think I may be the only speaker on this bill from our side.

However, after I make a few comments I may have more people on my side wanting to make some –a few comments on this bill. And who knows , we may be here the whole afternoon discussing this bill. But we'll have to take it, like, one step at a time here. The minister in her address to –on third reading to this bill talked about her goal of making Manitoba an improved province.

She talked about a new approach to working with municipalities and, you know, what we were looking–as they've been in power now for a year and we're looking at their so-called new approach, and so far, near as I can figure out, we've had a funding decrease to the municipalities. So I don’t know how that's working out. We're looking at around a $30- million decrease. Now, she calls it a basket -funding model and says that the municipalities are happy with that, but at the end of the day they may be happier with the method of allocation of the funds.

But how can they be happier–happy with the total amount of the funds when they're cut by $30 million? That's quite a big drop.

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2359 And I was also very –well, maybe I wasn't so surprised, but the member for Wolseley (Mr. Altemeyer), in his question today, pointed out that Community Places grants no applications are available yet for this year. So I think we're seriously looking at, you know, six months delay at this point, and when, we'd like to know. I know we are going to be into the minister's Estimates at some point either, you know, soon or maybe in the fall. I'm not sure just when we're going to get there but it's not that far away.

It's on the, you know, next in line when we finish the incumbent that's in there now. And we'll want to know from her, and perhaps she can get the information available for us as to why this Community Places grant program has turned into such a mess under her leadership or lack thereof. Because the fact of the matter is, I remember Community Places as a program way back in the days when I was the ministerial assistant in the Schreyer government; there was Community Places then. And then Sterling Lyon came in and he didn't get rid of Community Places; I don't think recall that.

It's still here after all these years, and this is a very valuable program for our community groups in Elmwood and other–almost every constituency in the province as applications made by church groups and community organizations and recreation facilities for some assistance in developing the playground lots, or the kitchen facilities, any number of projects. * (15:00) And, Madam Speaker, you know this; even in your own constituency you probably have a number of valuable programs that have been supported by Community Places.

And so to have a program that is, you know, not even taking applications after the first year in government, I mean –means we're going to have to start asking some more questions in Estimates as to what in the world is going on in that department. And she wants to study the program and reassess it and I –that's fine. You can do that with programs – doesn't mean you have to shut the programs down while you're doing it. You –surely you can do two things at the same time. You can, you know, do a reassessment of your program, but not just close the program down that's there–that's operating right now.

So this most improved province –like, if that's her definition of an improved province, boy, that's not what the public is going to be happy with. And this new approa ch to working with municipalities–I wonder how long that is going to last. So, certainly, there's storm clouds ahead for this minister, and I say that, you know, she's new to the job and she has time to change her approach a bit – certainly going to get a lot of activity around Bill 30.

She's hearing right now about, you know, people being upset because there was no consultations on that bill, and the taxi industry is very upset about how this government is proceeding with that bill with no consultation with them developing this bill, and then basically confiscating their property.

At a time when we have the federal government dealing with the European trade deal essentially taking care of the entire dairy industry –you know, Quebec dairy farmers are considered valuable and they're being compensated over 10 years under that agreement, and here you have a whole industry that's being just confiscated. There's no talk of compensating anybody. So I want to deal with the issue of the building codes because, you know, that is an extremely important point to this bill.

And the building co des and the zoning bylaws require that buildings be set back from the property line so that they're separated from surrounding buildings by certain distances. The codes in the bylaws also require the people in the buildings have immediate access to sidewal ks and streets. And I think not only is –are a lot of these regulations, you know, common sense, but a lot of them have to do with insurance regulations and fire code regulations from the past.

My former insurance partner was a long -time city councillor in Winnipeg, and certainly I got a pretty good view of how the City of Winnipeg operates and why there are so many rules. And, you know, the –a lot of the people complain, the public complains, the industries complain about rules, but, you know, there's a reason for this. You know, we get down to the red tape philosophy of this government–oh, we just eliminate all the rules, eliminate all the red tape. Life – [interjection]–yes, life is going to be good.

Yes, at the end of the day, you eliminate the programs completely, and then, hey, you've got no red tape problem. You know Community Places is gone; hey, less red tape. And so there is certainly reason why each and every one of these rules, you know, was put in place

2360 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 by municipalities not only here in Manitoba but other jurisdictions as well. And I will buy the argument that, at a certain point, regulations do get outdated and have to be updated and that's just common sense. I mean, we don't have horses and buggies walking up and down the street anymore. Although I will say this: since I've been in the Legislature, I have seen some horses and buggies walking up and down the street here when they –the member for River East (Mrs.

Cox) will know that her predecessor in 1986 had hitched up a couple of horses an d she could even give me an update on where those horses are right now, because I think one of them is still alive, and she was towing wagons up and down Broadway here complaining about something that the government was doing at that time. Now, that was an MLA with some imagination, and I remember those days, and I think it was probably legal for her to hitch those horses up here at the front of the building.

But, you know, that was the –you know, if you go back 100 years, that's what you see in those old pictures of Winnipeg in those days. There was not cars–at least not very many of them. There was a lot of horses and buggies and that, and those required a different set of regulations, because you know that fires in certain municipalities throughout North America, were– you know, burned down whole sections in cities in those days because you didn't have the building standards that you have right now and the requirements that you have right now.

And that had to be brought in over time because building materials improved, and we don't –we have more concrete now rather than wooden buildings. We've had better fire -suppression systems than we had before. There were no sprinkler systems in the old days. And so the insurance companies had a lot to do with this. I k now a little bit about that too, because I've been in that business for 40 years now.

The fact is that the insurance companies do make those requirements that there's separations between buildings, so that if a fire starts in one building, it doesn't, you know, automatically jump over to the next building. So we in the NDP have no problem with these building regulations. We don't run around saying, oh, it's–these are all red tape. No, we say these are regulations that make sense; there's reasons for them. People have died in fires before because you didn't have good enough regulations. And now we have them, and we say that these are acceptable.

And yes, they do add to the cost and they add to the inconveniences, but they do save lives. They're there for a purpose. We don't take the Conservative approach in saying, oh, well, let's get rid of them. You know, we have a goal in mind here. We've got to eliminate, you know, so many regulations to keep the boss happy. You know, the boss is up all night long poring through his regulation books and is going to say, oh, you know, I've got to change that minister. I'm going to replace that minister because, you know, her regulation quotient is a little too high here.

He –she's got too many regulations relative to the –to another minister, right? And that starts this race to the bottom of, well, we're going to get rid of this regulation. Everything goes fine until you have an issue where you have food poisonings or –bacteria problems in the food system –we've had, in the f ood- inspection system, nationally –been an issue. Well, these problems also occur at the provincial level.

So once again, I have no problem with revisiting regulations once in a while, but to make it kind of a be-all and an end -all and to make a big virtue out of this as if you're doing something different is something–is a real stretch. And I say that in knowing that the current Premier (Mr. Pallister) did this same song and dance when he became an MLA here back in 1995 and was in the Cabinet for a brief time and –sorry, 1993–and got into Cabinet in '95. His whole raison d'être was red tape; he was going to reduce red tape.

And, you know, we've never been able to find any–not even one regulation that he ever got rid of while he was a minister. But you know, old habits die hard, and he's obviously, you know, decided that's got to be part of his whole raison d'être now–is dealing with regulations. And so he's got this task force running around, second- guessing what they consider regulations, and they're probably going to get rid of a few that are going to come back to bite them at the end of the day too.

Now, this bill, Madam Speaker –this bill allows these requirements to be met through an agreement between the property owners and the building permit issuer th at places restrictions and controls on the property. For example, the agreement might be that an underdeveloped portion of one of the properties must remain that way. Or that the agreement might be that the occupants of a building may gain the

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2361 required access by passing through the neighbouring property. Once registered, these agreements run with the land and bind future property owners. Registrations cannot be discharged without the consent of the building permit issuer.

Amendments to The City of Winnipeg Charter, The Planning Act and The Real Property Act formally provide for these agreements and their registration. * (15:10) And, as I've indicated before, you know, at second reading and other times –occasions, about this bill–that we want to ensure that Manitoba's municipalities are strong and prepared for the future so they can help us grow their local economies and create good jobs. And that was the whole focus of our government for the last 17 years.

You know I hate to go back too far about the, you know, the bad old days, but you know, in the Filmon government, they did have their challenges to deal with in terms of the economy of the day and biggest deficit in history –up to that time – $800 million, with Clayton Manness. But the reality was that the real estate market in Winnipeg, essentially the floor fell right out of it around '95 and '97. I mean, you couldn't give properties away at that time, and there was no construction here whatsoever.

Matter of fact, we didn't see a building crane in Winnipeg for like 10 years and all of a sudden Gary Doer government came in in 1999 and everything changed. Probably not overnight, but it ramped up to the point where we did a unbelievable construction agenda over the last 10 years. Taking care– 15 years, taking care–I mean, dealing with the lower interest rates of the day has certainly been a big help, but what government in history has ever built, you know, a new arena, a new football stadium, a new airport, I mean on –[interjection]–and human rights museum.

On and on and on and on, and just in the last year that this government has been in office, what do we see? Just a retraction. We see very few new commitments to new construction, pretty much nothing. If anything, we've seen a retraction, a retrenchment, a pu lling back –putting projects on hold, that kind of activity. And, of course, that is not the way the minister talks about–I think she said–in dealing with this bill, she was talking about most improved province. Well, I have no idea how she's going to bec ome the most improved province when she's shutting the whole thing down.

There's –how can you improve things when you've shuttered the province? When you've – you know, padlock the buildings, the–what we've got is moving vans rather than building cranes in this province and that's what we see, you know, going forward. Inching forward, we see that this is where this government is taking us. So I mean –I think it's been a little too early yet for the people to have made their minds up yet about this minister an d this government, but it's –certainly the writing is, you know, sort of appearing on the wall.

Certainly closing down the three ERs is certainly not a good first step to restore that –to inspire that confidence, and how that's going to make her the most–Manitoba the most improved province, by shutting down three of the six ERs is, you know, is beyond me. Now, the City of Winnipeg's OurWinnipeg vision sets a guideline for the growth and the physical, social, environmental and economic development of the city in accordance with the City of Winnipeg Charter.

This includes principles of sustainability, social consciousness, thoughtful development, partnership and collaboration, healthy living and local improvement. The intent of thoughtful development includes taking maximum advantage of existing infrastructure through increased densities and compact –well and I do have some issues with this increased density concept and I don't want to bore the audience here too much with it, but I can tell you that I'm all in favour of the –of increasing the densities, if I see some increased densities on Wellington Crescent. Mr.

Doyle Piwniuk, Deputy Speaker, in the Chair What's happening with the City of Winnipeg is that we have areas of Winnipeg in Elmwood, like on Riverton Avenue –this is one example where developers have come in, they see a little additional lot attached to a house that's been a playground for a family's children over the years, and they go to the person and they offer to buy the empty lot. And what they do is then go for variances, because the lots aren't wide enough to put houses on them and they scrunch and sandwich in these little houses that are like on –like are 17 feet wide.

They're just totally skinny and very tall structures, and this is what they argue is increasing the density. That's what they want to do. Well, a lot of the neighbours don't like that, and I do agree with them, and I say, look, I'm all in favour of density, but I want to see –and this is when Sam Katz was the mayor –I want to –I'm all in favour of

2362 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 density when I start seeing those big lots over there on Wellington Crescent being chopped up and put houses on 17-foot lots. So it's–obviously there's not a lot of consistency when it comes to the poorer areas of the city. Yes, increase the density, chop up the lots, shoehorn these little houses in there, but they're not doing that out in the richer areas.

So, but having said that, I mean I know that the city planners are big on having increased densities and they want to–of course, they feel that that will commit to inner city revitalization, heritage conservation. Certainly, we see a lot of that in my area in my constituency with the infill housing really doing–they're doing a marvellous job in there. Year by year, I see more and more infill housing being put in there and brand new structures, new families moving in, and it is really a n improvement –an improvement to the area.

Now, I realize I may have strayed a little long here in my third reading speech, but I did get quite excited here after hearing about some of these Community Places issues and stuff like that, and so I don't know whether there's more speakers on our side here, but I know we–we want to pass the bill and we want to move on to Bill 7, so I don't want to cut into my colleagues' times that much. But I think that we've covered a good part of this bill, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Now, we've gone from Madam Speaker to Mr. Deputy Speaker.

That's how long I've been up here, and with that I would suggest we pass this bill and move on to the next bill, which I think is Bill 14. Thank you very much. Ms. Judy Klassen (Kewatinook): The Province of Manitoba and the City of Winnipeg have always been proud partners with a strong relationship. Winnipeg represents over half of Manitoba's population, and throughout the years this co- operation has worked hard to establish the best for both the city and the wider province. Building and maintaining relationships are the hallmarks of success.

This bill simplifies existing agreements between property owners, allowing the people of Winnipeg greater certainty and clarity in their property-planning endeavours. Currently such agreements are informal and not coded into law within our province. This created a lack of certainty when setting up such agreements, as neither party was sure about the safety and the security of the agreement. Through this bill, property owners and developers reduce their concerns regarding access bylaws pertaining to the access of sidewalks and streets.

This improves their ability to plan property development while allowing certainty that changes in ownership does not ha ve the capacity to negate the previously informal arrangements. Mr. Deputy Speaker, the agreements between the City and the Province have been a long -standing relationship, ensuring that the property owners within the city of Winnipeg are provided formal assurance in law that their agreements will be upheld, reduces the stress and worry of property planning and development.

As a creation of this bill was requested by the City of Winnipeg, we, the Manitoba Liberals, see no reason why the positive relatio nship between our Province and Winnipeg should not be maintained. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Mr. Andrew Smith (Southdale): I rise in the House today to speak on Bill 5. I do want to echo some of the sympathies that were mentioned earlier here today from my colleagues about the unfortunate terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom over this long weekend.

It is unfortunate that ha ppened and, again, I echo my sympathies, and my true sympathies go out to the families of the victims of that attack. * (15:20) I do like to thank all the members of the House here, as well, for supporting me –my private member's resolution this morning. I think it was something very important to recognize the Indo community, and I was very pleased to see the number of people in support of this in the gallery. I think it was over 50, if I counted correctly.

You know, this bill, I mean, it's very important, and, you know, it's introducing smart regulations that were asked for by the City of Winnipeg, and I think that, unlike what some members opposite have talked about as red tape, and they somehow seem to think that red tape–all red tape is necessary, we think that just smart regulations are necessary, and I think that's the distinguishing factor between both sides of the Chamber here. In my riding of Southdale, I mean, my riding is made up of a few neighbourhoods: Southdale proper, Sage Creek, Island La kes, Royalwood and a brand- new development, Bonavista.

And, you know, I see

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2363 the construction going up in Bonavista, and of course, the housing development there has increased significantly over the past month or so. And I know that, just looking at the way the construction is done there, and buying a new home can sometimes be intimidating, and so, of course, good regulations, although Bill 5 may not particularly apply to the development itself, but it's with the understanding that good, smart regulation's i mportant.

You know, you go by and you see that the construction crew is working in the backyard or they might have a bulldozer going through that knocked over surveyor pegs and put it back up, and it looks like, you know, there's kind of an arbitrary borde r or property line that's developed. I think things like Bill 5 look to rectify some of those nuances that we may not readily think of as legislators. I know that Sage Creek, of course, as well, is another community in Southdale that is growing rather rapidly.

In 2011, I believe there was eleven or twelve hundred homes in that–in the neighbourhood, and, of course, today, now, here we are some five, six years later, we're looking at a substantial increase to that. So, again, anything that we can do to help improve and make construction of new homes or property development more simple and easier for developers, for landlords and for tenants, I think, is always a step in the right direction to defend and protect the housing industry in general.

I know that the housing industry has been very important to Manitoba and it's –continues to be, I believe, a source of long -term wealth for a lot of people not only in Winnipeg but across the province, so making sure that we protect and we make sure that we have good a nd strong regulations, smart regulations, that protect the industry would be always a welcome, welcome change here for us. I do like to take the time, as well, to thank my constituents for entrusting me with their–to represent them in the Legislature.

It' s been over a year now that we've been in government here, and most of us – I'd say about 60- somewhat per cent of the members in this Chamber are brand- new to the Chamber, so we've celebrated our one- year anniversary about a month and a bit ago, and it's ver y important to remember the reasons why we were sent here.

And, again, many of the members that were in the gallery today from the Indo community were my constituents, and it's one of the reminders of why we're here today and how we got here was asking people for their support but, more importantly, representing them properly and fully representing their interests in the Legislature to the best of our ability. So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I do thank you for the opportunity to put some words and support on the record for Bill 5, and I do thank members opposite for indicating their support for this important piece of legislation. Thank you. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: Is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question. Mr. Deputy Speaker: The que stion before the House is the concurrence and third reading of Bill 5, the City of Winnipeg charter amendment, planning amendment and real estate property amendment act. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] I declarer the motion carried. DEBATE ON CONCURRENCE AND THIRD READINGS Bill 14–The Emergency Medical Response and Stretcher Transportation Amendment Act Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Mr.

Speaker, just very briefly, I think that there is an important issue related to this bill. The government wants to standardize the free structure for emergency measures around the province, but they are doing nothing about standardizing the quality of service around the province. And there is drastically variable capacities and ability to deliver a quick service depending on where you are, and I think that that's something that the government needs to pay a lot more attention to.

When the government, moving on this –we should have seen some inclusion here, some major effort to do much better in terms of service, in rural Manitoba in particular, which has fallen behind the city of Winnipeg. Thank you. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Question? Some Honourable Members: Question. Mr. Deputy Speaker: Is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question.

2364 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 Mr. Deputy Speaker: The question before the House is the concurrence and third reading of Bill 14, The Emergency Medical Response and Stretcher Transportation Amendment Act. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] CONCURRENCE AND THIRD READINGS (Continued) Bill 7–The New West Partnership Trade Agreement Implementation Act (Various Acts Amended) Mr. Deputy Speaker: Okay, w e'll go on to concurrence and third reading of Bill 7. Hon.

Cliff Cullen (Minister of Growth, Enterprise and Trade ): I move, seconded by the Minister of Indigenous and Municipal Relations (Ms. Clarke), that Bill 7, The New West Partnership Trade Agreement Implementation Act (Various Acts Amended), reported from the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed. Mr.

Deputy Speaker: It has been moved by the Minister for Growth, Enterprise and Trade, seconded by the Minister of Indigenous and Municipal Relations, that Bill 7, The New West Partnership Trade Agreement Implementation Act (Various Acts Amended), report for the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development and be concurred in and be now read for the third time and passed. Mr. Cullen : Appreciate the opportunity to bring Bill 7 to debate in third reading. Clearly, we had committee; we did have some discussion at committee about Bill 7.

Certainly, the New West Partnership Agreement, we think, will bring tremendous potential to Manitobans in terms of trade opportunities, and, clearly, Manitoba is a trading province and we rely on trade. And we rely on this trade to create economic development opportunities for Manitobans, and we believe this particular legislation will set that framework so that we can have further discussions with our neighbours to the west. Clearly, this is something that we articulated throughout the province prior to the election last year.

We made a commitment coming into govern - ment that we would endeavour to pass and get involved in the New West Partnership Agreement as soon as possible. And, certainly, we had very positive discussions with Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia, and they were certainly –were willing participants of us coming onto the agreement. So we are excited about the potential for this. Clearly, we do have significant trade with our neighbours to the west, and we think this particular mechanism will allow trade to grow. And I think we should indicate, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, one of the key components to this will hopefully be harmonizing some of the differences in regulation that we find from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Clearly, the business community has indicated that this is some of the red tape, some of the difficulty in terms of doing business from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. So we certainly believe this framework will enhance opportunities for Manitobans, and we're excited about that particular opportunity. You know, once we have now formed a group, if you will, with our neighbours to the west, we have a significant presence now in Canada.

We certainly recognize that with over 40 per cent of Manitoba's interprovincial exports destined for our partners to the west, removing these barriers is very important. The potential exists, benefits up to $272 million by 2025, so certainly there's opportunities for economic development here in Manitoba. * (15:30) And, quite fran kly, Mr. Deputy Speaker, economic development opportunities really translates into jobs, and jobs for Manitobans. Clearly, we're trying to get Manitobans back to work. We've seen some positive outcomes in terms of the numbers.

I know this year alone, from January 1st to now, Manitobans have created 6,000 new jobs. We think that's a very positive sign. Additionally, our unemployment rate is down at 5.4 per cent –for a time, was the lowest unemployment rate in Canada. We certainly think that's a step in the right direction, but I will say we do have a lot more work to do, and we are certainly committed to do that work. This really –this partnership is really just one key in enhancing our trade relationships with our neighbours to the west.

I will also point out we have taken the most ambitious stance–of any province or territory –in Manitoba, in terms of our agreements with the Canadian–the new Canadian Free Trade Agreement, and we're excited about the possibilities that will present themselves with that framework coming into place as well in the very near future.

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2365 So all these things combined will certainly provide opportunities for Manitobans and Manitoba businesses. And really that's the government role, to make sure we are creating the foundation for econom ic development opportunities for Manitobans. Now I should say, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that clearly we–on this government side –we know where we stand in terms of economic opportunities and certainly what free trade and free- trade agreements mean to Manitobans . We're not exactly sure where members opposite stand.

I know in previous debate there has been some difference of opinion of members of the same party. And I know pretty certainly the member for Fort Garry -Riverview indicated they put their emphasis into making sure that we reduce trade barriers. And I think it was just not very much later –in fact, the same day –the member for Flin Flon (Mr. Lindsey) indicated that this free -trade agreement is one of the steps that they're taking to rebuild a worse province for Manitobans. So there certainly is a difference of opinion there, Mr. Deputy Speaker.

And you know, the member for Flin Flon went on to say that the NDP stands against these kinds of free -trade agreements. So clearly, the NDP have articulated two very different positions in terms of free trade, in terms of the new west trade partnership agreement, so we're obviously interested to see where they land on this one in terms of where they want to vote on this one. Clearly we believe there's tremendous opportunity for Manitobans. We've indicated to Manitobans we would do this.

Manitobans have supported us in this endeavour, and I would say we've had some very, very positive comments from the business community already in terms of opportunities that are now p resenting themselves to– for them to increase business. And, when they talk about increasing business, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that means new job opportunities for Manitobans. And that's what we are committed to doing, is making– allowing more Manitobans to get back to work. Mr.

Deputy Speaker, we're excited about this particular legislation; our neighbours to the west are excited about it, and I think all Canadians look at these trade agreements as positive. I hope members opposite will also find the value in the New West Partnership Agreement. Thank you very much. Mr. James Allum (Fort Garry-Riverview): We're pleased to get up and speak to third reading on The New West Partnership Trade Agreement Implementation Act. I know that this has been a big priority for the government long before they were even in government.

I distinctly remember in 2011 during the 2011 campaign, this was one of their five priorities, so I guess it's a credit to the minister there that he's been able to nail one of their five priori ties from 2011. It was interesting, though, in 2011 that their five priorities didn't include anything about education, and it didn't include anything about health care, and it didn't include anything about job creation or investment in our communities.

In fact, it was so odd to have something so obscure as the New West Partnership Trade Agreement as a priority, when, if you ask Manitobans what that was, I am quite confident that most wouldn't know what it was, yet that's their priority. And that kind of s peaks to the kind of government that we have –that they're so utterly out of sync with the needs, and goals, and aspirations of Manitobans.

And so we get a trade agreement like this that comes before us, and the minister says in his opening lines–I just –I wrote this down just so I would remember this particular thing that he said, but he said, well, this will bring trade opportunities, but he doesn't follow that up with any kind of explanation of what trade opportunities. We've asked relentlessly for that m inister to tell this House one thing, one improvement, one job that it's going to create, and yet we can't get an answer.

And I certainly remember back in the – previously, when this was put forward either as a private member's resolution or as a opposition bill when we were in government, and I remember asking the member from Tuxedo who had put it forward–or at least was speaking to it, but I think she had put it forward at that time, but I stand to be corrected on that–can she name, articulate one thing– I actually think it was four or five things at that time– but even one thing that this agreement can actually do.

She was unable to answer; unable to care –to put into plain language for Manitobans what an agreement actually means to Manitobans and to their families living in their communities. And, frankly, when we asked, it was like we'd asked some kind of question that was unanswerable as–but, in fact, the reality was –is that there was no answer forthcoming because the member at that time

2366 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 23, 2017 wasn't able to articulate any consequential thing that came out of this agreement, nor has the minister been able to do that for us in this House. So you have to wonder why –why this would be such a priority. [interjection] Now, I hear the member from Emerson–who has a penchant for continuing to talk during other members' speeches–say to me, well, it means more jobs. Well, if it does mean more jobs, why wasn't that made transparently clear in any of the speeches the minister has made, in any of the briefing material that has been given.

We went in for a briefing into his office to talk about it, and that's good–I appreciate him doing that; that was all good –but he was unable to put any information in front of us that would help us to understand why this w as the greatest thing since sliced bread, why this was more of a priority to the government than health care, than education, than child care, than reconciliation, than minimum wage, than investment in infrastructure and flood protection–in all of those things that actually matter to the day -to-day lives of Manitobans.

This seems utterly and completely irrelevant, and yet, notwithstanding that, it has been characterized as the most important thing this government has accom - plished. And maybe that speaks v olumes about the kind of government this actually is that achieves so little for the people of Manitoba day in and day out. Now, I've said in the House on this particular bill before that, on this side of the House, we're very much about an inclusive Cana da from coast to coast to coast –inclusion of all peoples and all places because everybody matters and everyone belongs.

And, instead, in this particular bill, what you get is an agreement between four western provinces who aren't exactly getting along that well themselves these days –just as a footnote to this particular conversation–but it's actually the kind of thing that balkanizes this country instead of building Canadian unity.

Now we've said right from the get -go that if the government wanted to put its attention on the agreement on internal trade which we had spent an enormous amount of time working through, that that was understandable, because we trade pretty much 50 per cent with the west of this country and pretty much 50 per cent with the east of this country, and so we are situated geographically in the centre of the country and we traded equally with both ends.

That's something that I think Canadians can get their head around, that they can understand, but they'll have a harder time and Manitobans, in particular, are having a harder time–how it is that entering into a balkanized trade agreement with just a portion of the country actually serves the interests of Manitoba or serves the interests of this great country. * (15:40) Now, it's not surprising to me that ultimately the government was able to claim some little, modest credit for what's now, I believe, called the Canadian Free Trade Agreement.

I'd get the minister to correct me if I'm wrong about that, but I think that's what they're trying to characterize it –and sadly because of the hyper-partisan tone that this government takes on every issue, there was no indication, no mention, no reflection on the fact that the vast majority of the work on that particular agreement came during our time in government because that's what we were concentrating on, on a Canadian agreement, not on a balkanized trade agreement that serves the interests of the very few, quite likely at the expense of the many.

It's the kind of reverse 'utilitariatism' I've referred to many times in this House because that's what the priority of this government is, to focus on the elite minority while leaving the rest of Manitobans really to fend for themselves. That's not the kind of Manitoba that we believe on in this side of the House, it's not the kind of Manitoba that we would ever support and it's why, in fact, we're not interested in supporting Bill 7. We don't think it adds anything to the well -being of Manitoba or helps to build this country. In fact, arguably, it may do the exact opposite. At a minimum, Mr.

Deputy Speaker, one could say that this agreement has been made redundant by the Canadian Free Trade Agreement. What purpose could it possibly have? It doesn't appear to be linked in any particular way to the Canadi an Free Trade Agreement, although at the time, when faced with a question of redundancy, I think the minister said that, oh no, no, no, this is actually even better for the four western provinces.

Although, as usual, when it comes to agreements of this kind, he was able to– unable to articulate why that was so, what evidence there was to make such a contention and, as usual, we're left with a kind of Conservative approach to things that says, we're going to sign this agreement, trust us, it'll be okay. We don't think. In fact, we think quite the opposite on that side. Well, when we think of workers, we have to ask ourselves, well, what benefit will this agreement

May 23, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 2367 have for workers? The minister, of course, unable to articulate that as well. Was he able to sa y their salaries will be increased and their benefits secured and their labour contracts respected as a result of an agreement like this? I didn't hear him say that. [interjection] Yes, no, so there we are. The–my friend from 'Flint Flon' also says, well, he was there, he was listening at the time, the minister didn't provide any evidence, any information on whether or not workers would be protected under a bill like this, under an agreement like this.

An Honourable Member: Sure wasn't a priority. Mr. All um: And my friend from Flin Flon, who quite rightly will follow me on this because he has obviously much to add to this particular debate, has quite rightly pointed out that leads into open question whether wages, benefits or contracts will actually survive an agreement of this type or whether it may be–which is what the usual Conservative plan is, to thing the death by a thousand cuts.

The slow, slow decline of agreements and benefits and salaries and a race to the bottom, to the lowest common denominator that does not seek to enhance the well-being of all Manitobans, wherever they might live, but we suspect that it may well improve the well-being of a very small percentage of businesses in this province. [interjection] Maybe 1 per cent, that might be a generous estimation if we say 1 per cent.

It might be even less than that, but that's part of the problem with this bill is being the failure to provide any kind of information, any kind of data, any kind of evidence to suggest that great things will occur for the people of Manitoba and for this country if Manitoba signs on to it. We're supposed to take it in faith, and yet even since this time that this bill has been before the House, the minister has still been unable to point to one circumstance, one in stance, one thing that happened as a result of this agreement, and so we're left with a great deal of skepticism.

And so we would suggest to the minister that rather than spending time –the House's time –on an agreement that really has no foundation for addressing the colossal need in our communities all across Manitoba, we think it would be more valuable for him to actually spend time putting together a jobs plan for Manitoba. How simple would that be for him to–and I don't even know if that was in his mandate letter–probably not–probably unlikely at best, because jobs for Manitobans isn't actually being his priority.

He wants to–[interjection]–yes, I hear; I knew it would come from the backbenches there, about the 6,000 part - time low -wage no -benefit jobs that's been created since they came into government. Never mind the 14,000 full -time, good- wage, full -benefit jobs that are being lost. In fact, when you think about it –when you think about it, you've got the 900 jobs at Hydro as a perfect example. Those jobs will never come back now. It's not like there'll be any reinvention of them anytime soon. Once they're gone they're gone.

Those are good-paying jobs; they are management jobs, allegedly, although we don't know that for sure, and, in fact, we're uncertain exactly what the status of that particular initiative is. We don't know if workers are– An Honourable Member: I'll bet you the minister doesn't know either. Mr. Allum: There's a good chance, as my friend from Flin Flon says, that the minister's out of touch, because if he was asking the Minister of Crown Services (Mr.

Schuler) for information, there's a good chance he wouldn't have that information, since it's not quite clear to us what the Minister of Crown Services actually does from day to day to day. But those 900 jobs are a classic example of jobs that are just going to disappear out of Manitoba, disappear out of our workforce. They were high-paying jobs in some respects, but those jobs pay taxes, and that's one of the things that the minister fails to recognize.

He might be able to show, in some strange calculation, how laying people off somehow improves some bottom line, but there are multiple other bottom lines that won't be well -served by losing those jobs. Those folks pay taxes. Has the minister calculated how much taxes will be lost as a result of those jobs being lost? Those jobs go to retail stores and they buy goods and services from our local small businesses, but they won't be anymore

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