Proceedings of the House of Assembly Durin g the Fourth Session of the Twenty- ninth General Assembly of Newfoundland PR INTED IN C A NADA BY GUAR D I A N LIM IT ED, ST . J OHN 'S, NFLO .

PROCEEDINGS of the FOURTH SESS I ON of the T WENTY-NIN TH GENERA'L ASSEMB L Y OF NEWFOUNDLAND WEDNESDAY, October 24, 1951. The House opened at three of the clock. His Hon our the Lieutenant Govern­ or arrived immediately and read the Speech from the Thron e. MR. SPEAKER AND MEMBERS OF THE HONOURABLE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY: The peop le of Newfo undland in common with all peoples of the Com­ monwealth have followed with their prayer s the recent serious illness of ;His Majesty the Kin g.

We rejoi ce with them in his continued progres s towards recovery and tru st that be­ fore lon g His Maje sty may be entir ely restored to good health. With a ll other Canad ians we have a lso shared in the keen interest displayed in the tour of Their Royal Highnes ses, The Princess Elizabeth and T he Duke of Edinbur gh acro ss Canada. The wann reception ,they have Teceived every­ where is £u rthcr evidence of the close ties which bind this Dominion with the Throne. This Province is look­ ing fol'ward with eager a nticipa tion to the arr iva l here of our gracious Prince ss and her gallant husband.

The programme of T11eir Royal H igh­ nesses' visit here has been arrang ed to give as many of our people as poss·ible opportuniti es to share in and accord our royal visitors a worthy welcome. At -the completion of ten years sin ce the American forces have been sta tion­ ed in Newfoundland, I ava il myself of the opport uni ty to expre ss the ap­ preciat ion of ,the Governme nt and the people of this Prov ince for the cordial relations which have consist­ ently prevailed between us.

The dis­ tinguishing feature of th is relation­ ship has ,been a mutual spir it of friends h ip, co-opera tion, considera tion and respect . The Servic es and civilian perso nnel of the United Slates who have been posted in this Province have proved to ,be both good neigh ­ bours and em p loyers . It is with pride and pleasure I say thi s at the com­ pletion of Lhe decade of thei r sojourn among us. I am su re ,that all Newfo undlanders rejoice in the flourishing state of the Provin ce in I 951.

It is the simple truth to say that in a ll her long history, Newfoundland has never known su ch a high degree o f pros­ perity as there is in thi s p resent year. Never before did the maj ori ty of our peop le enjoy such a high standard of lhring as they do today. It will be the hope of all that this prosperity will conti nue and even increase to embrace all the ci,tizens of the Prov­ ince. My Min isters have conti nued to de­ vote the greater part of their energie s to the task of econom ic development of the Provinc e, and very en cou rag-

4 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS ing success has attended ,their efforts. T·he cement mill at Humbermout.h has been completed, and cement is now bei ng manufactured in it. The out­ look for th is great industria l enter­ prise is exceedi ngly bright, and it is anticipated that there will ,be no difficulty in selli ng the entire pro­ duction of cement at profitable prices. I t is relia bly estimated that for each of the next th ree years there will be used in Newfoundland more tha n eig ht times as much cement as the new mill can produce, and should the deepenin g of the St.

Lawr ence Seaway be commenced in the near fu ture a great additional market for Newfoundla nd cement will undoubt­ edl y be ope n. The Humb ermout h mill will produce Portland cement of the highest quality, and it will not be surpri sing if the mill 's product ive capacity has Lo be doubled or trebled •\V:ithin the next year or 'Llvo.

North Star Cement Compa ny Limited, whi ch has been incorp orated to manage the production and sale of the cement for the first few months, has already been offered a mark et within New­ foundland of approximately 5,000,000 bags a year at profitable prices, as against the mill's present installed capacity of approximately 600,000 bags. One consumer in Newfound­ land offers to accept a da·ily amount of cement tha t would require a ten­ car trai n to move. The people of the Prov ince will, I feel sure, be very grati fied Lo know that the future is so bright for this first of the new industries.

Very mu ch the same situation is true of the new Gypsum, Plaster, Plasterboard a nd Plaste r Lath Mill. This mill, which is now rapidly near­ ing comp letio n, will comm ence pro­ duction a few weeks hence. It is one of the most modern and efficient factories of its kind in the world, and for i Ls outp ut there is a very brisk demand at p rofitable prices, both within and without Newfoundland. The third of the new indu stries to be launched is the birch venee r and plywood mill. T his mill will produce also ha rdwood flooring and •hard­ wood doors.

It has comme nced pro­ ductio n, and all ~vho have inspected the enterprise cannot fail to have •been impressed by th e very modern and efficient plant that has been established. The mar ket demands for the produ cts of thi s mill are quite incapable of being satisfie d, and my Ministers have now under conside r­ a tion a proposition from a very sub­ sta ntial European owner of severa l such mills for the estab lishment of a second veneer and plywood mill 'in Newfo undla nd.

InvcsLigaLio11s have reveal ed that this Province conta ins very large stands of healthy birch, both white and yellow, to provide the raw material for two modern plants. One of the most satisfactory features of vhe birch veneer and p lywood in­ dustry is Lhat a large amount of em­ ployme nt is creatccl 'by it in many par ts of the Province. Construct ion of the new tannery is proceeding rapidly al Carboncar, and a start has been made at th e con­ struction of the large new machinery factory at Donovan ·s.

T his latter seems likely to become perhap s the largest sing le labour -giving ente rpri se in Newfoundland, apart from the fisheries. I t is expected, within the next two years or so, to employ 5,000 men in full-time work, or more than the numb er now fully employed in the Corner Brook and Grand Falls pape r mills, and the min es of Bell Island, Bucha ns and St. Lawrence all counted together.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 5 The first oE the machinery for the new conon textile mill is sched uled to leave F.urope for Newfoundland on the fifth oE November next. Con ­ structi on of the buildings is expected to commence even b efore that date. The new leath er goods factory is expected to commence early in Nov­ embe r, and inde ed before the close of th e presem calendar year a number of other new indu stries are due to commence actual constructio n. My Ministers expect th at by the spring oE 1952 more than twenty new in­ dustries will have commen ced pro­ duction or else be in course of con­ struction.

My Prime Mini ste r, accompanied by my Anorney Genera l, returned recently from a six weeks' tour of Europe, during which they visited the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Hol­ land, Germany, Denmark and Sweden. T his tour was und erta ken for the sole purpo se of invitin g certain industrial­ ists of those cou ntries lo establi sh new indu strial enterpris es in Newfo und ­ land. You will be pleased to learn tha t they were \'cry successful in thei r pur­ pose. Some fifteen additiona l new in­ dustries were secured in England, 13cl­ gium, German y and Sweden.

Directors and other representatives of these fif. teen firm s have either visited New­ foundla nd since my i\lini sters' return from Europe, arc here now, or are expected to arriv e within the next week or two. l am sure that you, in common with a ll the people of Newfou ndl and, will be gratified to learn that three di([erent fina ncial gro ups are at pres­ ent in to uch with my Government with regard to the estab lishmen t of pulp mill s in thi s Province.

My Min­ isters have adopt ed the firm policy oE refu sing to issue permit s for the ex por t o f round or raw wood from the Province, except in cases where a very substa ntial amount of payment is received ·i nto the Treasury for each cord so exported. Their policy is to encourage the establi shment oE pulp mill s, or pulp and paper mills, which will manufactur e the wood into fin­ ished, or at least semi-finished, pro­ ducts, withi n the Province.

The de­ mand for pulpwood has grnwn to very grea t prop ortio ns on the con­ tinent of Europe , and important fin­ ancial and indu strial intere sts are turnin g the ir anenti on increasingly to the timber resources of Labrador. The three interests who have already approa ched my Government with propo sitions for the establishment of pulp mi lls have also suggested that in the meanw hil e, during th e period of constru ction, they be permined to ex­ port certa in max imum quantities of pulpw ood in th e round or raw state.

The poli cy of the Governmen t is to refuse to grant such permits except und er two conditions : first, that the parti es concerned give written guar­ ant ees, with pen a It y clauses and time limi ts, to establish pulp-mill s, in which case a reason able charge would be mad e for the wood so exported; or, second, tl1at i( no pulp -mill is guaranteed to be built, a very much high er rate be charged for round wood exported.

At your last S ession you presemecl for my assent a Bill empowering the Labrador Timber Utilization Company to cut some 200,- 000 cords oE pulpwood annually in the Lake Mel ville area oE La brador , at a charge for the timber running at present around five dollars a cord, lbut not in any case to fall below ha lf that a mount at any time. T he pro­ moter of this company , as it appears to my Ministers, has since then made every sincere effort to carry out the obligation s impo sed by the Act upon

6 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS him. He applied to his Government .for the official release of close to three milli on dollars to place on deposit in his company's bank in St. John 's, to financ e the Labra dor timber oper ­ ations. Expecti ng fully that this Gov­ ernm ent would agree •Lo the necessary relea se, h e load ed some hundreds of tons of logging and similar equipme nt aboa.rd a steams hip rout ed to New­ foundland.

Before the s teamship had sailed, however, his Governme nt had stipulated that before the dollar capi­ tal could be released there would h ave to ·be an exa mina tion of the practi cal prospects of the operations in Lab ­ rador. H e was therefore obliged to unload the equipment, though some mate rial lies now in St. John's. In the meanwhile a commission visited the Lake Melville area to make the examin a tion on ,the spo t, and to the deep regret of all concerne d the re­ sult of the examination was a report stati ng that the whole proj ect was unsound a nd impracticable.

This re­ port stated that it was physically im­ possible to carry on logging in Lab­ rad or for more tha n three month s a year, and that it was im possible to ship timb er for more than three mon ths in a year . No permit was issued for the release of the dollar capi tal needed, and the promote r was oblig ed to postpo ne his opera tions. H e appears, however, ,to be determi ned to persevere in the maller and a sec­ ond commission is due to arrive in the Lake Melville area within the next week to make a more thorough and careful investigatio n of the pro­ ject.

In the meantim e, the Newfound­ land Treasury has been put ,to no expense whatsoever in the matter. If the promoter finds in the end tha t he cannot pe~form what he has und er­ taken in his contract with my Govern­ ment, then h is rights will come to an end. If, however, he finds that he is in a position to carry on his unde r­ takings then considerab le a mounts of revenue will flow into the Treasury a nd a result reached which will ,be satisfactory to all concerned. More •than ever my Mini sters are convinced that economic development is their first du ty and first respon­ sib ility.

T hey have abiding fai th in the industrial fu ture of this Provinc e, and abu ndant fait h tha t Newfound ­ land has now entered upon an era of great development that will make this Province, in the next few years, one of the most prosperous parts of Nort h America. New confidence has arisen in the m inds of our people, and •the feeling is spreading rapidly that Newfoundl a nd at last is coming into her own.

Newfoundland, with Labrador , contai ns one of ,the last grea t storeho uses of natural wealth to be developed 'in Nort h America; my M-inisters have succeeded in arous ing very considerable inter est a mongst in­ dus trialists and financiers of Europe, the United Kingdom , Canada and the United States. T he past two years have been a p eriod of exploration and preparation.

T he next two or three will be a period of speedy de­ velopm ent. ~ever in all our New­ foundland histo ry was ohe oppo rtunity so grea-t to bri ng about large-scale econom ic development, and my Min ­ isters are convinced tha t their energies must tbe devoted almost wholly, in the next two or three years, to that purpo se. You will be gratified to know that revenue conti nues to lbe very buoyant. If the present rate of revenue and expe ndi ture is main tai ned for the re­ mainder of the fina ncial year it is anticipated that there will be a s ur­ plus of not Jess tha n one million dollars on curre nt account.

T his is all the more jmpres sive ·in view of

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 7 the fact that teachers' sala ries and civil servants' cost of living bon us have been increased, since the Esti­ mat es were adopted in your last Session, by an amount of one million dollars a year. My Min·isters will submit to you a Bill enabli ng my Governm ent to enter into an agreement with the Governmen t of Canada for the inaug­ eration of a plan of old age pensions, on the ,basis of a means test, to need y person s between the ages of six,ty-five and six,ty-nine.

In view of pending legislatio n by the Govern ment of Canada you will be asked .to approv e legislation effect­ ing a similar agreement to ensure continuance of exis tin g pensions for blind perso ns twenty-one years of age and over. May Divin e Providen ce guide you in your deliberations. His Honour the Lieutena nt Govern ­ or ret ired. HO N. LESLIE R . CIJRTIS (Attor­ ney General) : Mr. Speaker , I beg leave to introduce a Bill "An Act to Amend the Indu stries Act, 1951," a nd ask that thi s Bill be now read a first time. Bill read a first time. Ordered to be read a second time on tomorrow. MR.

SPEAK ER : I beg to inform the Honou ra ble House, His Ho nour the Lieut enant Governo r opened the present assembly. His Honour was pleased to deliver a Speech from the Throne, which for the purp ose of accuracy, I have o btai ned a copy. Is it ,the pleas ure of the House this Speech he now read? MR. CASHIN : Mr.

Speaker, in view of the fact that His Hon our has read th e Speech, it is not neces­ sary now to repeat it; copies have b een distributed and with the unani­ mous consent, I r ealize ,tha t during another period when the ope ning speech was read in •the Upper House, it was aga in read in the General Assembly, but that is not there any more a nd it seems now, we must have it twice in here. If I am not out of order I suggest we d ispense wit h the reading; it is very interesti ng and we ,-,ill have some comments tomorrow. HON. J. R. SMALLWOOD (Prim e Mini ster) : I am afrai d that cannot -be.

My honourable and gallant friend is perfectly correct when he says there was once a second chamber in whi ch the Governor read the Speech from the T hrone. Bu t he will find on such occasions too, members of the House here wer e present and hea rd it read in exa,ctly the same way as it was read today and that upon re­ turn to the Lower Chamber, Mr. Speaker made exact ly the same state­ ment as His Honou r just made, and the Speech was then rea d by the Clerk of the House.

The purpose of that, I think , is to enable the honourable the Leade r of the Opposition of the day , whoever h e mig ht ,be, in any session, any year, to hear it for the second time so that in addr essing him ­ self to the motion moved and second­ ed by two members of the House, that a Committee be appointed to draf t an Address in Reply, he would be all the more familiar with the con­ tents of the Speech and all the readier therefo re, to make comment upon it.

I think, the refore, as o ne who loves to adhere very rigidly to •the best traditions of this democratic parlia ­ ment, I cannot agree with my hon­ ourable and gallant friend and I suggest that the old, well-establi shed , Newfound land practice be carried

8 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS out, and I am sure my honourable and gallant friend cannot resist an app eal like that. MR. CASHIN : I don 't mind, Mr. Speaker, having it read a second tim e but I would like to correct the Pre­ mier. In the old clays the Speaker went to the Uppe r House and brou ght it back here and the memb ers of the Lower Hou se genera lly went in more out of curiosity than anything else, but Mr. Speaker went in and obtain ed a copy from the Governo r of the clay and brou ght it back a nd read it to those who were in there at the time. I have no objection to it being read the second time.

I will probab ly learn a Jot from it. MR. SPEAKER : The Chair ap­ preciat es the suggestion, but techni­ cally, only Mr. Speaker hears the Speech from the Throne, therefore the Speech h as to be read a second time. Speech from the Throne read by the Clerk. MR. COURAGE : Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpo se of moving that a select committee be appo inted to draft an addre ss in reply to the gra­ cious speech with which His Honour the Lieutenant Governor has been pleased to ope n this Fourth Session of the 29th General A ssembl y.

In doing so, Sir, I am conscious of the great honour done me and through me to the district of Fortune Bay and H enni­ tage Bay which I have the honour to repre sent in this House. Following custom, Sir, I shall with your permission take advantage of this opportunity whi ch the occasion creates to comment briefly upon some of the variou s matters referr ed to in the speech. I know, Sir, that all the members of this Honourable House will agree with the remarks made by His Hono ur o n the occasion of the King's recovery.

T he hu mil ity and devotion of du ty of H is Majesty, King George, Sir, endeare d h.im to all h is subj ects everywhere throughout the Briti sh Commonwealth of Na tions. I read, Sir, during the crisis of His Majesty's illness, ·in an English paper or m agazine, of some people standing outside the gates of Buckingham Pala ce, kneeling and praying for the recovery of H is Majesty. Such spon­ taneous feeling could only be engend­ ered by a g reat love of the Royal Con­ cept, not in vain pomp, but in great virtue and it is •this virt ue t hat has endeared him.

Indeed we may say, happy is the king whose throne is founded on h is peop le's love. Long may His Majesty be spared to enjoy the love and devotio n of his s ubjects. We are very glacl rhn their Royal H igh nesses, the Duke and Du chess of Edinburgh arc abo ut to do this Prov ­ ince the great hon our of visiti ng us. I t is indeed fitting that Their Royal H ighnesses should visit the s hores of this the corn er stone of the British Empire. To those of us who have read •that very fin e accoun t of Her life by H er Royal Highnesses Gover­ ness, Mari on Crawford, the Prin cess seems to be no stranger .

Her hus­ band, the Sailor .Prince, we know will be quite at home in Newfoundland whi ch is well known to be the home of good sa.ilors. Newfoundland hos­ pitality is known all over the world and, Mr. Speaker, I know the people of Newfoundl and will extend •to Their Royal High nesses a t ruly Newfound ­ land welcome of which there can b e none wa rmer and none more genuin e. I have recent ly ret urn ed from a visit lo part of my district. Whil e the re, I visited many homes and ta lked with many people. I was very happy at

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 9 the high sta nda rd of living which I saw everyw here. I t ·is true that the cost of living may be up, but it is also tru e that the people are living better than ever they have in the history of this count ry. I found every where a great interest in the legislation whic h will ena ble the Government to pay old age assistance to people betw een 65 and 69 years of age. This, Sir, will be a very welcome piece of legislation. Many of our fisherm en have, since they were twelve and thirteen years old, braved ,the storms of the Atlan tic Ocean and at the age of 65 are worn out.

Men, who for more than forty years prosecuted the Grand Bank fisheries, at sixty arc una·ble <to go fishing any more and this necessary legislation will be a generous move to those old people. But, Sir, the grea test interest was in the Govcrnmcm's programme of economic dev elopment. T hanks to the Government programm e of Econ ­ omic Development, Sir, prosperity is not just around the corn er, prosperity is with us and greater prosperity is in sight and this is largely due to th e work, and labours of rhe Government.

I have no hesitati on ·in saying that no government ever before has done so mu ch, no -two gover nments have ever done so much as this Government has accom plished in its two and a hal f years in office . This work, Mr. Speak­ er, this accomplishment is largely due to the almost super-human efforts of the Premier, a man who work s eighteen hours a da y, seven days a week, a man who devote s himself whole-heartedly to work. If one were to ask him if he had a hobby he would, I think, say it is work . And Mr. Speaker, I found a genuine con­ cern in my distric t for the Premi er's health.

Many people said : "How is the Prem ier? When did you see him last? How does he look?" And I was happy to say: "H e looks very fit," and th ey would say: "I can't see how he keeps it up, I can't under­ stand how he is able rto do so much." Few men, Mr. Speaker, wou ld be able to work eighteen hours a day, day in and out, seven days a week.

There are men who dream dreams and there are men of dynami c energy who carry out .the planning of others, but it is a very rare individual who is able to translate his dreams into action, ab le to go ahead and either not see the di£ficulties or brush ,them off and overcome the obstacles in the manner in which the Premier is able to do so. Mr. Speaker, a pol'iticia n thinks of the nex t election, a statesman of the next generation. A statesman wishes to stee r, a politician is conte nt to drift.

Who would say -that this countr y today is being ru n •by a man who allow s himself to drift? !rt falls to ,the lo t of few men in public life to be so highly regarded by the peop le as 'is our Premier today and I speak whereof I know becau se I have visited many pans of our Island ,withi n the last year. Mr. Speaker, the Hou se is again open, the memb ers have come together to transa ct •the 1business of the country, I am reminded of a story a friend of mine told me a few weeks ago. He lives in Bay D'Espo ir and he said his little dau ghter heard the House was opening, heard it several -times and was puzzled.

She said : "Daddy, when the House ope ns will the members fall out?" Her father , who had been a member ocf the National Convent ion, said: "There is nothing surer than that, my dea r." Well, I h ope and trust if we must we will do it in a gentleman ly fashion. We can't alway s agree bu,t remember we are Newfou nd-

10 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS lander s here working for the benefit of Newfoundland. I have not enum erated here the new industries •because we " lill hear more about these in ,the fumre but the news which Lhe Premier brought back from his recent trip abroad was tru ly encouragting: fiftee n new indu stries are to come to our shores-<that in addition to six or seven or more al­ ready sta rted, one of which will em­ ploy five thousand men; just <think what . a programme this is.

We are today on the verge of indu strial de­ velopment whi ch will transform New­ foundl and as England was tra nsformed during the 19th century. Mr. Speaker, Confederatio n has now en.wred its third year. We have not lost our indepe ndence, we have gained by un ion with a great count ry, let us go forward and make this union a success. In the words of .the poet, Longfellow : "Thou too sail on Oh Sh'ip of State ; Sail on Oh Union Stron g and Great. Humanity ,vith all its fears, with all its hopes of future years, is han ging breathle ssly on thy fate." Mr.

Speaker , I m ove t hat a select com mittee be appoiM ed LO dra ft an address in reply to the Speech from the Thron e. MR. DROVER: Mr. Speake r, I rise to second the motion so ab ly put by the honourab le member for For­ tune Bay and in doing so, may I reafirm my confidence in the pol'icy of development of natural resources and I want to assure you, Sir, that White Bay solidly supports me in this and I want to tell the Leader of the House, the Premier, ,Lhat White Bay stand s a real Gibraltar behind his policy of industrial development. Mr.

Spea ker, they sta nd with me and three cheers and a tiger for yet more in­ dustrie s, more jobs and a higher stan dard of living for every last "Newfy" in this nation's newest prov ­ ince. A "rendez vous wiJth desti ny" was a much used phrase during the last war a nd i L seems Lo me this is really applicable to Newfoundland since this Governm ent took office.

Hund reds of years have passed in our history; the defeatists, th e timid ones; the weak­ kneed said, you can't have this, you can' t have that, we have just n ot got any resources, let us maintain the stat us quo , l et us leave very well alone and the rich ,will get rjcher and the poor get poorer. T hen came the Squir es Govern ment and the great in­ dustry of Bowaters was born . Then came Smallwood, a man of sti ll grea ter vision. Did he say we can'<t have this and we can' t have that, did he utt er a wail of despa ir, we are poor we can have nothing? No he did not.

This tireless worker for the country' s wel­ fare, thjs man with wider vision , set about searchi ng, seeking, in many cases finding a way and striving to lift up the economy of the land which I know he loves so well. Mr. Speaker, ,too long have we suffered from the fact that apart from a few favoured districts the rest of us have to row a long boat and spend much ti me o n the squid jigging grounds. Yes, this Is­ land calls out for new j obs a nd more emp loyment for our people.

Today, Sir, Newfou ndland faces a new era, a day is dawning and our purp ose here is not Lo hinder it by the mistakes of the past ·bu t rat her Lo set our face to the future and Lo explore the pro­ gramme of development that will put better roofs on the homes of the peo­ ple of Whi te Bay, clothing on the backs of the children of the South a nd West Coast a nd !better food on the table of every Newfoundl ander. Yes, Sir, a policy of employm ent for

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS l l all is the sloga n of this Govern men t and, Mr. Speaker, let me, if you will, express th e grati tud e of my people to our great leader, the honourab le Pre­ mier, this ma n who by tireless toi l and uniform appl ication to economic development has succeeded so well that probab ly histo ry will show chat the fine st ,thing this Govern men t did, was to assist the fresh fish industry.

But betwee n the two examples of social ism a nd torysm there is 110 doub t about it the ,present Li beral Governmen t once in a whil e are liberal; they h it the beam as they go along and occas­ ionally must be libera l but not most of the time. So, Sir, I am not par­ ticular ly interested in pavty lines or where I sit; there is as good a place as any to speak m y mind. In decid­ ing to speak it there is certainly o ne thing I must make clear, which I men'l ioned before.

I wou ld not say a word today in the H ouse or anywhere else about the public affairs if I felt by doing it I was going to discoura ge a sing le indu stry, a single indu stria list from coming here and makin g an effort to sta rt one, but there is no good in •tell ing me that t here is a danger in talk ing :blue ruin or a rea­ sonable fascimilc that I am going to discourage anyo ne. Down in Seven Islands •today the Railw ay works, and you may depend o n it t hat Fro'bishcr are going ahead intensively rega rdl ess o.f what I say or don't say in this House.

If it is a good thi ng they do and t hey have the good old priva te en terprise and they are not going to be deterre d from turning an honest dollar or what they conside r to be by anything I say. Therefore I do not believe th e remarks I am about to make are going to do any­ thing to discourage or as a matter of fact to encourage any ind ustria list or group thereof .from coming here. If I thought so I would not say a word, but as I don't I consider 'the ma tter seriously and I intend to make these •few remarks in mild criticism of the Speech from ,the Throne.

Now, the Premier on Wednesday started a .trend that may cont inue by a mild exposure of his soul, not in­ decently, when he analyzed himself and showed us the result by saying that he had in his syste m left out complete ly any prejudice and hatred. 1 ·believe him, l don't care whether anyone else docs or not. I believe he did have it left out. I don't be­ lieve he ha,tes anyone; ,there were times when ,he almost hated me, bu t don 't pay any attention, he docs not; nothin g of the kind, he is probably a litLlc polit ical for a mom ent or two but basically no.

But that reminded me, Sir, that it wou ld be probably in order if I examined myself a littl e and, Sir, when they made me .there was one thing left out, per haps sev­ era l, but one particular in refe rence to what I am going to say next. From present indi cations I am afraid the prop hecy of my honou rable collea gue from Harbour Main-Bell Island may ,be accomp lished and tha t there may lbe a short age of labour. lt is most distressing to learn that Dr. Seigheim's proposition for Labra­ d or is a failu re. If ever t here was a Santa Claus he was o ne.

I visualized him with his massive white •beard handing ou,t a t housa nd dollars and now I find we won't get a milli on cents. It is certai nly very strange that this proposition was entered into by •him and a company was incorporated to cond uct work in Labrador . Any­ one cou ld have told him about the shipping diffiwlties and if he had at all inquired he would have learn ed from the honourable and gallan t mem ­ ber for Ferryland about shipping facilities. I am at least sorry that so

12 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS much disappoin tment was given to us and particularly for the honourable member for Labrador whose glorious vision just disapp eared, and now the million dollars will never come back. Now when I sat dow n here I noticed a 'book, "The Bird Life of Newfound­ land." It is very good I am glad to get this book, I had intended to buy it, Mr. Speaker, and now I have it free . It is a woDthwhile .book.

As a ma tter of faot I will bu y some cop ies and send them away to friends of min e ,because it is a wond erful book and those who brought it about should be congra,tulaited on the ir wonderful work. But reaJly having it presented 1here in the House rl.t be­ comes an an,tidote of the ro ugh words of people , when somebody on the opposite side sta n s cri ticizng us in very strong langua ge, I will tum 10 t his book and thi nk of the songsters of Newfou ndl and and •think of count ­ less thin gs, o f music in civilized places.

Maybe ,it was given for that purpose or when somebody is making a Jong speec h we can take the 'book and read it and Jiave a most pleasant time. Whoever put the book here-I under­ stand it is the Acting Minist er of Natu ral R esources-I wa,nt ,co thank him very much. It ,is a fine book , I know I will be able to read it on certain occasions when I find my­ self bored stiff just th e 15ame as they have ,the same pleasure whe n they are bored stiff liste ning to me, Sir. I h ave much p leasure in supp or,ting t•his motio n. MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr.

Speaker, I would like to say a word o f con­ gratulation to the honourable gent le­ ma n who has moved and second ed the mot ion before us and to say how grate­ ful I am, i f a little embarrassed, by the ir very kind tho ughts expressed about me. They h ave been too ki nd altogether because if they were mem­ bers of the Cabinet t hey would be as well aware as I am of the fact that I cou ld do just exactly noth ing if I were not a member of a Cabinet whose member s all have one single thoug h t in t heir hearts and minds, the same thought I h ope I have myseIE about th e de velop ment of Newfound land.

All the credit due [or this grea t and histor ic progra mme of econom ic de­ velopme nt is due to the Government as a w hole, is due to th e honourable membe rs of this House on thi s s ide, and though not memb ers of th e Gov­ ernm ent but who keep us in office by their support , due to every man who sits on our Speaker·s left, and is no t at all due to any one particular one of us. If th ere is a man in Newfound• land above all others who deserves gra ti tude of all Newfoundlanders, that man is nol eve n a nat ive of our Prov• ince, not even a citizen of Canada, a stra nger, Dr. Alfred Valdmanis.

Some clay the peop le of Newfoundland will erect a monum ent to Doctor Vald­ manis. No gove rn ment of the eleven in Canada is served by a man more loyal, nor with greater effect and ef­ ficiency. I say th at about Dr.

Vald­ manis and pay him that tribute today because the foulest conceivable attacks have been made u pon him and are yet being made upo n h im, foul, mali­ cious, and u tter ly false-attacks to the effect that he was a friend of Hi t· ler, that he was a Nazi and that he was a murderer , a mass murd erer of Jews, when in fact the Britis h Secret Service, the most efficient in the world , after a very close an d carefu l exam­ ination of every d etail of his life de­ clared that of all the pub lic men of the Balti c States, Lithuania, Latvia, Es­ toni a, Fin land, Dr.

Valdmanis emerged as the o ne public man most an ti-Nazi.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 13 T hal is th e report o f the Bri tish Sec­ ret Service. The A merica n Secret Ser­ vice, CIC, Coun ter Intelligence Corp, sub jected Dr. Valdmanis's life to the same care ful and t horoug h check and th e second of these in vestigat ions was made at the reques t of th e State De• partmcnt of Amer ican Govern ment and was headed by a Colonel of the American Army of th e J ewish R ace and Fai th and that J ewish gen tle man, presemly a practicing lawyer in the United States, t hat Amer ican Colone l who is a J ew by race and religio n, con­ duc ted an enqui ry inlo D r.

Vald­ manis·s life and career wi1 h all the careful and in tensive th oroug hness whi ch you would expect a man of that race and religion t o ma ke. Twice the American Secre t Serv ice investigated him and each time cleared him com­ pletely; so much so that the Ameri­ can Anny under Genera l Eisen hower took Dr. Va ldma nis o n its sta ff. Recently the Allorney Genera l and visited offices in the great, incredi­ ble o ffice build ing ii, Frankfur t, now the I Ieadq ua rte rs o f th e Ameri­ can Army there and visited the very office Dr.

Valdmanis occupied whe n he was working in a very hig h positio n with th e Ann y o f the United Stales under Genera l Eisen hower. Thal same army appoi n ted Dr. Valdmani~ as its delegate LO the Geneva Confere nce al whic h RI O, International Ref ugees Associatio n, was founded. Dr. Vald· manis was exa mi ned by th e RCMP , the Canadian Secu rity Police, the great and famo us R CMP, befo re ever he was alowed to land in Canada t hree years ago. The R CMP has its ow n offices and branches on the Continem of Eu rope and in London, with some of whom l perso nally had con versatio ns in r ecen t weeks.

The RCM P with all the reports of the Brit ish Secret Service and the American Secre t Service al 1hcir disposa l ad mit ted him to Canada an d u pon the req uest of comm itte e of presidents of Canadia n Univers ities of whom Dr. Carr, president of Da l­ housie was one, as he hi msel f tol d m e in my o ffice a [cw w eeks ago on his visit lo St. Joh n·s, a Com mill cc of th e Presidents of the universities o f Can­ ada appo in ted for the purpose of sel­ ecting a small num ber of d isti nguished scientists and educat iona lists in Eur­ ope 10 be brought to Canada, Dr.

Valdmanis was to be bro ugh t to Can­ ada by that disting uished comm iuee for one purpose. r ask you , Mr. Speaker, and t he H ouse, lo ,take par­ tic ula r n otice of the purpose for which he was brought lo Canada, to fi ll t he Lady Davis Chai r in Econo mics in the U niversity of McGill, lhc Lad y Davis Fellowship, Lady Davis bei ng th e widow of the great and d isting uished Canadi an, Sir Ben D avis o C the Jewish R ace and Faith- t his mass mnrd ercr of J ews?

He was employed by the Government of Canada in two depart· rncnts of that Gover nment at one and the same time, receiving two separate salari es, one the Department o f Trad e and Commerce, the Departme nt of th e R igh t H onou rable C. D. Howe, the othe r th e Departme n t of !\•fin es and Reso u rces. Who em ployed h im in the Depart ment o f M ines and R esources? The ma n who was his friend, the Deputy l\finistcr, Dr. H ugh Keen ley­ ,idc . D ocs t hat name mea n anythi ng to the H ouse? H e is the gen tleman who insul ted D r. Sho ll, the Ge rman financial wizard, ou t in the Far Easl, when Dr .

K eenlcyside refused to shake ha nds with h im al a socia l (un ctio n and thereby creati ng a n i ncide nt d is­ cussed around the world. He who woulcl not even shake h ands wit h an ex-Naz i, a former Nazi, is the man who invited DL Va ldmanis LO serve in his departmen t of Mines and Re•

14 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS sources of which Dr. Keenleyside then was the Deputy Minister-this mass murderer of Jews. Yes, Mr. Speaker, Newfoundland under this Government, is embarking upon such a programme of develop ­ ment as Newfound land has not even dreamed of in the past. And I will tell you today, full as I am of confi­ dence in our future, full as I am of unutterable faith in the possibilities of the great North Eastern corner of thi s Continent, Newfoundland and Labrador, I would not dare say . here just how confident I am becau se peo­ ple would say I am crazy, say I am going out of my mind.

In London a few weeks ago the Atto rney General and I were guests at a l unch eon given to us by Sir George Nelson, head of 1 he gre atest companies in all England, the English Electric Company, the builders of the plane whi ch, on the day we were given the lun cheo n, flew to Gand er in four hour s, nint een min­ utes, perhaps the greatest industrialist in all England, certainly if not, one of th e greatest.

He brought there 10 that luncheon ten of positiv ely the greate st and most powerful in'dustria l­ ists of the United Kingdom, the Head of Potentia l Life, the Head of Spiller s, the great flour mill er of England, th e head of the Steel Federation of Brit­ ain, I forget h is name -ten of the greatest and wealthie st industrialists and financiers of the United Kingdom to hear from me some more of what the y had begun to suspect of th e great storehouse of natural wealth that, thank God, we own and no o ne can take from us, we Newfoundland ­ ers.

If any member of the House is tempted to think this material is ex­ aggerated , this great sto rehou se of na t­ ural wealth, he has only to think for a moment of two hundr ed million dol­ lars now being spe nt to develop just one

section of the iron ore in that great store hou se. The honourab1': member for Labrador in this House at the last session delivered a speech which I hold ought to be published in book form and distributed in every school in Newfoundland-a speech wherein he barely mentioned New­ foundland at all but dwelt entirely on his district, his small district of one hundred and ten thou sand squa re miles of Labrador in which he put on record his faith in the certai nty of a vast new indu stria l empire in Labra ­ dor.

I would not dare, I say, to put into words the depth and breadth of th e faith J have i n the futur e of this people , of this Province. They would think I was going cracked, breaking up. But I have talked now in the past two years to some of the mighti est financiers and indu striali sts of both cunli nc111s, North American and Eur­ ope. Th e Attorn ey Genera l and T have talked with most of the se toget h­ er, along with Dr. Valdmanis, in Eur­ ope.

Now in Germany we talked with th em, two hum ble lit tle Newfound ­ landers, whom the cata clysm of New­ foundland histo ry has th rown up from the rank s to be mem bers of the Gov­ ernmen t, two humbl e little Newfound ­ landers talked for hou rs with and were entertained hand somely by men and compa nies who could buy Newfound ­ land and sell it and it wou ld be just an entry in their books. MR. CASHIN: And make a profit on it. MR. SMALLWOOD: And make a pro (i t on it, and if they did not make a profit that too would be merel y an emry in their books.

One compan y who employed three hundr ed thousand peop le, I. G. Farham was the nam e. MR. CASHIN : Not worth an y­ thing.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 15 MR. SMALLWOOD: The Honour ­ able member is always right in matters of finance, never wrong. I. G. Far­ ham who employs th ree huf)dred thou sand. Now in Newfo undl and the recent census we all hope will show we have a popu lation of three hun­ dred and forty thousand, that is what we hope. That is men, women and children including day old infants, thr ee hundred thou sand. I. G. Farham alone employs three hundred thousand. Now, they have two hundred factories but some of them have bee n taken from them by the Russians in East­ ern Germany.

They still have about one hun dred and fi fty, one of whic h employs thirt y thousand, one factory. We were into three factori es, one out­ side Frankfurt - MR. CASHI N: We will have Lo get the Speech fro m the Throne trans­ lated into German. MR. SMAL LWO OD: My honour­ abl e and gallant friend is welcome to the though t. We met great and mighty conce rns. How ever they have not a dollar amongst thc1n to thei r nam e, not a dollar, a nickel, have t hey got. They don't deal in dollars o r in nickel s, unfortun ately, for our pur­ pose, they dea l in R eichsmarks . MR. CASHIN: They are not worth a contin ental.

MR. SMALLWOOD : They are not worth a cont inental, no, in the New ·world, on •the North Amel1ican Contin ent, but as a European con­ tinenta l they a re worth very very much, else t hey would not b e able to employ •three ·hundred thousand peo­ ple, pay wages and operate one hun ­ dred and fifty various factories. Now, we ta lk of man y vast conce rns in Eng­ land , Germ any, Denmark, Sweden, etc., and all of them are up against identi- cally -the same problem.

If Sir George Nelson in England wished to come to Canada he is able to buy his return passage, with sterling , withou -t dif­ ficult y, but o nce he lands in Canada -he is not a•ble to pay his hotel bill in ste rling. vVe don',t expect them to have one dollar in Canadian or Ameri­ can dollars, hard cu1Tency. So he would have ,to make application to •the Government of Great Britain to release two hundred or five hundred dollars with which Lo pay his own personal bills on this side of the At­ lantic. Tha.t app lies to Great Britain and to all the countri es in Europe.

They cannot get dollars, all dolla rs are owned and controlled by the re­ spective governments and anyone who want s dollar s has to app ly -to his own governme n t for release buying the dollars with his own cu rrency, wba,t­ ever it happ ens to lbe.

Now, we say to ,these peop le who are al l without exceptio n frightened and afraid of what they think will happe n when the Russians march, they fear if and when this war stants in W'estern Ger­ many , everyone thinks it will start there a nd they are frightened and afraid of that, and when we go to them and say; well all right, come out to Newfoundland, our Newfound­ land peop le fought in two wars, many Newfoundlanders shed their blood and lost their life just as I suppose many Germans did too.

Bu,t New­ foundlanders arc not going to spend the rest of thei r lives hatin g people we have fought: in the last hundred years we have fough t ,the American s in the war of indepe nde nce, the South in the Civil War, we have fought the Span iards in the Spanis h Ameri can War and in 1the Phillipines and the Sout h Africans in South Afri can War, the Italians in the last war. The Russia ns were our allies in the last war and ~ve are now going

16 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS to fight th em an<l we are not going to waste our time ha ting our ex-en­ emies, not if we arc big enough in heart and mind and brains •to use our ex-enemies to help us to help ou rselves, tha,t is what I believe about Newfoundland. Now, abo ut Dr. Seigheim, and this is my final word. Dr. Seigheim is a very ~vealthy man, he owns two com­ panie s in Germany, outright and their turn-over last year was ~he equiva­ lent in value of twelve million dollar s.

All his life he has been in the ,timbe r indus try and my honour­ able friend might as well know now I am just as well aware as J1e is or the honourable Leader of the Opposition , just as well aware of what he learned and where he learned it and ~vi,th th e same orga nization which for the moment may remain unnamed, on the 7th of Septe mber, I would like to note the day, the 7,th of September, wrote a Jetter to Was hington from Montreal, unqualifiedl y condemning all thought of timber operation s in Labrador.

I will tell th e Hou se now that there is going on and has been going on for some month s past an organized, plan ned, concerted drive to discredit Labrador . I am stro ngly tempted •to give the name oE the or­ ganization. I am wai ting for future sta tement s, I am waitin g for state• ments to be made here in ,this House, I am waiting and ready, iE and when they are made, I am also ready. That is why I never lose, I am always ready. That is why I am Premier and I am going to be Premier for many years to come. MR. CASHIN : You don't know if you are going to be here . people. ,Dr. Seigheim is a wealthy man. MR.

CASHIN : He is not. MR. SMALLWOOD: He is the sole owner oE four compan ies which last year between them did a business of fifty ,million deu<tchma rks, equiva­ len t to twelve million dollars, one in Frankfurt. Most of his life he has been engaged chiefly in the timber trade. MR. OASHIN : fin furniture, and in the •timber business the last three years. MR. SMALLWOOD: Thir,ty years. MR. CASHIN : He might tell you that. MR. SMALLWOOD : He did not tell me that, I got the information elsewhere from independent sources. For ,thirty years he has been engaged in the timber business.

H e has never been engaged in cutting tim ber, never has been 'but has been engaged in the timber trade for thir ty years as one of the principal suppliers of pulp­ wood to the greatest consumers of pulpwood on ,the Contin ent of Europe. MR. CASHIN: If we might see the record . MR. SMALLWOOD : If my hon ­ ourable and gallan t f riend were as smar,t as he thinks he is he would no t for the sake of a momentary vic­ tory of repar tee in debate jeopardize anything , not for the sake of a cheap bit of momentary reparte e. If it is any victory he is welcome to it. MR. CASHIN : I am not interested in- MR.

SPEAKER: Will honoura ble MR. SMALLWOOD : With the memb ers please confine their remark s help of Goo and the Newfoun dland to the Chair .

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 17 MR. SMALLWOO D: Yes, Your Hon our, and if I h ave transgressed in that respect I ask Your Honour to a,ward me that kindly forgive ness which the Occupant of the Chair has done on so many occasions before , to me and to the honourable members of the H ouse, especially my honour­ able and gallant friend from Ferry­ land who needs that forbearance so often. He is a man of great duive , great energy who has set his -hand to de­ velop the ,timber indu stry in the Lab­ rador .

I will exp ress my honest opinion, by saying, I do no t know, none of us here knows if he will succeed or not, -two of us at least, the Attorney General and I realize that if he fails it won't b e because of lack of capital or lack of great personal drive. If he fails it will be for rea­ sons given by my honour ab le friend the member for Labrad or, who can •tell us more than the rest of us in­ cluding my honourable friend know abo ut that district. If he fails it will be for the reason •that all who go to Labrad or, Lake Melv_ille, will fail, that same reason will cause Dr.

Seig­ heim to fail, if he fails, which I some how doub t. May I tell the House that when that commission arriv ed in Goose they were virtually arre sted, that a New­ foundland er landed in Goose and was locked up for twenty-four hours. MR. CASHL'\/ : That is an awful place to go to. MR. SMALLWOOD : My honour­ able and gallant friend who is also a na,tive Ne wfoundland er, if he went to Goose might also be locked up for twenty-fou r hours. MR. CASHIN : I am going to keep out of it. MR.

SMALLWOOD: I have seen him in a very wicked state of mind and tongu e over some insult far Jess importa nt tha n the arrest of a New­ foundlander in Goose, somet hing of which I ,think in all seriousness he should take a dim view, and I have taken a dim view and I have done so in the proper manner and I assure the House this new commission who are coming from Germany to spend two or three weeks fo Lake Melville, when they come they will be accorded the kind of treatment that sho uld have been a ccorded this one which the Governm ent of Newfoundland brought here in an effort to bring about economic development.

We must not forget that Labr ador is New­ foundland, no t Canada , not America, we must never forget ,that and if an airpo r.t is built in that Province of Newfoundla nd whether it be on the Island of Newfoundla nd or the ter­ ritory of Labrador, whe n an airport is ,buil t, except when there is a war on, let us see to it that Newfound­ land ers in the first place are treated with respect and if they are not let us demand and enfor ce our demand and seek, w,hcn th e Newfoundland Government is intermedia ry, in bring­ ing people there to develop any of our n atura l r esources they be given the respect ,they deserve .

They are brought there by the Soverign Gov­ ernm ent of this Province- let u s not forget that though we are a par-t of Canada and of the great Can­ adian Governme nt, of which I am personally proud as I played some

part in making it a fact-al though we are a part of Canada we are a Sovereign Provinc e and this is the Sovereign Governm ent of thi s Province. MR. MILLER : Who •is guilty of this misdemea nour?

18 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. SMALLWOOD: My honour ­ able friend asks that in the best spirit, I think. In view of •the fact the remedy has been fou nd and when the new commi ssion a11rives we are promised compl ete co-operation and civilized, human e treal menrt- perhaps we had better let it go at that and nam e no names, thou gh I am boil­ ing mad about it.

For two cents I would rip her wide open and have it ring right across Canada; I am the one who won 't take any back talk from the Mainland of Canada, ~von't take any back talk from the Canad ia n Navy, A irforc e or RCMP or lhe whole Canadian Government . MR. MILLER: Then it was the Ma-inland? MR. SMALLW OOD: I did not say so nor do I prop ose to say so. My honourabl e frien d is undoubt edly perfectly free to form his own con­ clusions a nd read betwee n the lines. But ,that won't happen agai n unl ess there is a war on.

They will come and spe nd ,weeks there and seHle the question and if it is .true that you only log in Labrador (or only three months a year, we know it is ridicu­ lously false, They were given that inform ation in Goose Airport, logging for three mont hs and the rest of the year for two reasons, when you go outdoors you are eaten a live with flies for three months, a nd that only for three month s there is no holding ground whatsoever in Lake Melville, can't put a rboom <there, can't drive a boom down the river to Lake Mel­ ville or hold it in lhe lake because the boom won't hold, because when it is filled up, the boom would break and the logs would float away and they would lose all the timber.

That is the report brought back, Then again you can only ship for ,thre e months out of the twelve. No won­ der his Government refused lo issue a release to sell to him two and a quart er mill ion dollars in cash, dol­ lars which •the Governme nt had al­ ready agree d to sell if a favourable report came back. Whe n I ·think of the near peril we have m et in havin g that magnificent dea l which my hon­ ourab le a nd galla nt friend described as the finest deal any governme nt ever pul over- MR. CASHIN : l said it was too good to be <true. MR.

SMALLWOOD: Come so perilously near <to having it destro yed by of~icial bungling, dumb -witted officialdom, so near to it, it makes me feel mu rdero us. I don't propose to have tha t kind of stupidi<Ly sta nd in the ivay of Newfoundland develop­ ment, I will start a war before I do, I won't pu t up with it for anyone . MR. CASHIN: I will be your first recruit . MR. SMALLWOOD: You won't be the first in a concentrat ion camp. MR. OASI·IIN : In Goose Bay? MR. SMALLWOOD: Keep away from there; apparent ly they don'.t like Newfoundlanders. MR. CASH IN : I won't go any• where near ,that place. MR.

SMALLWOOD: Now, we don't know if Seigheim i s going to flop or succeed, we don't know. The Opposition will be happy if he suc­ ceeds? Don' t they hope he s ucceeds? MR. HIGGINS : We will have a 1brass band out. MR. SMALLWOOD: Of course they will, they would even try to get him a title if he paid a million do!-

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 19 Jars a year into •the Treasury and emp loy hundr eds of people and help develop Labrador, give him anyt hin g he wants in the way of honour and credit and see he won't be arrested and shoved into jai l and treated like a bunch of criminals . •I get a great kick out of it when I read and hear on the radio how Canada and the United States , Great Brita in and France are all in the United Nations now talkin g and pleading with Ger­ many and asking her to get in with them and fight comm unism a nd then in the next breat h shove them in jail and call them a bunch of Huns, a bunch of Nazis.

If ,this war starts I suspect we will be happy and grate­ ful to have an army of seven or eight million German soldiers fighting the Russians with as much determination and bravery as they fought us, I would rather have them on my side than against me; probably I never mix ed with ,them, never fought it out with them, probably it would be more graceful if my honourable friend who mixed with them in t~vo wars were to say it. MR. CASHIN : I am looki ng for the fellow who had a crack at my head. MR.

SMALLWOOD : Perhaps the poor fellow's bones are rotted away now, perhaps my honourable friend is more lucky than he was. Surely, we are not going -to hate every in­ dividual from every nation we warred with, hate every Gern1an becau se we once fought Germany, every French­ man because we once fought France, Spaniards, ~ve fought wit h Spain; Italians, we fought with them and must we all our lives go on and hate Now, Mr.

Speaker, I really intended today to say only one thing, but I got carried away and my honourabl e and gallant friend knows all abo ut that, he knows what it means to get carried away; some t hin gs have been boiling up in me in recent months and I h ave to get it off my chest. MR. HIGGINS : The sooner it is said the sooner we have peace. MR. SMALLWOOD: When the time comes we can't do that , I expect the honourable and gallant member and myself will quietly furl our sails and sail away. I just wanted to say one thing and that was about Dr. Valdmanis.

Incidentally, I went in and called on the Editor of DERTAG, in New York, a [ew days ago. I went in and talked to the Editor, a famous Zioni st, and I told him that all my life I have lived under a misfortune, some men are born colour blind, some are sto ne deaf and could not hear a one hundr ed and l\venty piece orchestra and can't tell if it is J ohnny Doyle or Strokowski. I know a certain gen tleman born smell deaf; he is sit­ ting in this House, he was born de­ void of the sense of smell; I am in­ capable of hating a man or woman because of colour, race or religion.

I was born without it, I h ave not got it nor will ever ,be capable of hating any person for race, religion or colour. Unfort unately, it is nice Lo be able to join with everybody and ha te anything everybody hates, hate the niggers and hate the Cathol ics, hate the Protest­ an ts, hate the Jews, ha te the Japs. I can't do it. MR. HIG GINS : Do you hate the Devil? MR. SMALLWOOD: I am talking every last German we fought in two about persons. We are all friends wars? here, we are all a bun ch of New -

20 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS foundl anders, why be so forma l. All my life I have been with the min or ity except in electio ns then I am always on the right side. I fought, when I was in America, I fought for the Neg roes, I foug ht the K lu Klux Clan and nearly lost my life in the City of Buffa lo, except for fifteen hu ndre d negroes who surrou nded me and got me out, and we drove at seventy or eighty m iles an hou r through the stree ts of Buffa lo, m yself and a n egro, and I spent the night in a hote l and slep t w ith h im.

It so happe ned that later on he was given a dinner at which the Governor of the State and Congress men attended to do him honour and we went to sleep about four o'clock in the morning and he told me what it was like to be a nigger, a cultured man, a univ ersity man, a grea t orato r, a great man, great in heart and mind. J ust pract i­ call y every friend I had was a J ew. The re a re millions of J ews in New York, and every frien d I h ad was one. And I told the editor of DERTAG, I was ashamed Lo be head of a Govern­ ment accused of engag ing i n our em­ ploy an anti-Semite.

I said that I was an Zionist myself long years be­ fore most J ews would even admit it in public. So I won't say any more abou t DERT AG. Probably tomorrow there will be a notice in the paper, tomorrow or n ext d ay that is all I started off by saying, I just wanted to s ay- MR. CASHIN : T hey sho uld apol­ ogize. in the Cabine t knew. I will apo logize for taking up so much time. I will thank the honourab le members oppos­ ite for their courtesy and k ind alle n­ tion to what I have said. I h ope we will get through our business rapid ly in t his session so that we can get back to work.

Now, I know it is work here too. I hope the Editor of the Eveni ng Telegram won't lose "too many nights' slee p over the amo unt of sessional pay we get here in the sessions. MR. CASHIN : He is sore; he is gett ing none hi mself. MR. SM ALL WOOD : I d o hope he won't have too many sleepless nights. I think if we are here for a few weeks we will have earned from Lhe p ublic treasury th ree or four or five h undred dollars. MR. CASHIN : You i ntend to meet every afternoo n. MR. SMALLWOOD: Every afte r­ noon and night and morn ing.

L et u s get the work done here (or Newfound­ land, we fight and scrape the floor but every hono urab le gentleman i s anx­ ious and eager as we to get t he work done here and are just as sincere ly anxiou s to push Newfoundland, get her on the map and p ush economic developme111t ·legisla tion. Let us join together as one House for the bu ild­ ing up of this Island a nd Province every one of us loves. Moved and seconded a special com­ mittee be appo in ted 10 dra ft an Ad­ dress in Reply to the Speech from the MR.

S MALLWOO D : A ll he can T hrone. think of is work, he is work ing for Newfoundland, and it c uts me to the heart to sec him victimized by jeal­ ousy and prej udice and hatred and finally this foul and coward ly att ack. Even our own friends must have won­ dered if there is anyt hing in it. We MR. SPEAKER : Honoura ble mem­ bers to constitute the Commit tee are: Hon. member for Fortune Bay and Hermitage. Hon. membe r for White Bay. Hon. Leader of the Oppos itio n.

HOU SE O F ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 21 Pres entin g Petit ions None. Reports of Standin g and Select Conunitt ees None. Giving Not ice of Motio ns and Questions MR. SMALLWOO D: Mr.

Speaker, give notice th at I will on tomorrow ask leave to introduce a B ill "An Act to Approve and Give Statu tory Effect to An Agreeme nt betwe en the Govern­ ment and Asbestos Limited, " and a Bill "An Act to Approve and Give Statutory Effect to an Agreement Be­ twee n the Government and Canadia n Machinery and Industry Construct ion Limi ted "' and a Bill "An Act to Ap­ prove and give Statutory Effect to an Agreement between the Government and Newfoundland Tanner ies-Wil ­ liam Dorn, Limit ed."' MR. CASHIN : I did not anticipa te anything t11is afternoon, but I am a bit inq uisit ive. Mr.

Spea ker, I give notice of the follow ing questio ns. I. To ask the honoura'ble the Min­ ister of Finan ce to table the follow­ ing information : ( 1) A cop y of th e Report of the Comptroll er and Auditor General for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1951.

(2) T otal amo un t of Cash Surplus remai ni ng to the credit of the Ex­ chequer as at September 30, 1951, in the Bank of Montreal in St. John's, as well as the total amount to the credit of the Prov ince of Newfou nd• land on dep osit with the Fede ral Gov­ ernment at Oua wa.

(3) The Cash Surplus to the credit of the Newfo und land Savi ngs Bank as at March 31st, 1951 or December 31st, 1950.

(4) The total Ordinary Reven ue, exclu sive of subsid ies from ,the Fed­ eral Government, received from April 1st, 1951, to Septe mb er 30th , 1951. Th is information to be given und er the vario us departmenta l headi ngs.

(5) Total Subsidies received from the Federa l Gove rnm ent from Apr il 1st, 1951, to Septembe r 30th, 1951. This information to be given, show­ ing any Grants for Heal th and Wel­ fare Departme n ts, separate from Sub­ sidi es and / or Transitional Grants.

(6) The total Ordinary Expenditure shown u nder the various head ings, from April 1st, 1951, to September 30th, 1951. (?) The total Capital Expenditure under the vario us headings, from April 1st, 1951, to Septem ber 30th , I 951.

(8) T he Grand Tota l Expenditure und er tlie vario us headings from Ap ril 1st, 1951, to September 30th, 1951.

(9) The Grand Tota l Expenditure from April 1st, 1951, to September 30th, 1951. 2. To ask the honourab le the Min­ ister o f Finance or the appropriate Mini ster to table the followfog infor­ matio n: (

I) Under what Department does th e Loan Board headed by Mr. Ba.x­ ter function?

(2) Give a statement showing the nu mber o f people employed by this Loan Board, together with the salaries per annum th at each receives.

(3) What loans or adv ances have been made or recommended to be made by the Baxter Loan Board since it came into existe nce?

(4) Give •the names of the Corpor­ ations or individuals to whom such

22 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS advances have been made and what security the Government has received for such advances. 3. To ask Lhe honourabl e the Min ­ ister of Fin ance and /or appropriate Minister to table the following infor­ mation: (

I) A statement showing the actual Cash Loans made to various Industri es (such as Fisheries Development, etc.) outsta nding at the present time. This informati on to include Loans grant ed by the Commi ssion of Govern ment prior to Apri l 1st, 1949; giving the narnes of the various Corporations or individual s to whom such Joans were granted.

(2) A statement showi ng Bank Guar­ antees given various Corporations or individuals by Lhe present Admini s­ tration, from Apr il 1st, 1949, to date; together with the nam es o{ these Cor­ porations or individu als to whom such advances were made. With reference to these <two ques­ tions, give all particulars as to terms, etc. 4. To ask the honourab le the Min ­ ister of Finance and ; or the appro ­ priate Mini ster to table the follow­ ing:

(1) A statement showing the total amount advanced for the construction of the Birch Plant at Donovan's, from the time of its inception to the pres­ ent date; as well as any information relative to any further requirements this Company may need to complet e the plant.

(2) A statement showing the total amount advanced for the constructio n of the Cement Plant at Corne r Brook, giving the total cost of this plant to the Government , as well as tablin g a statement showing any contrac ts which might have been made for the sale of the cement product. Also whether or not the p lant is for sale and tif negotiatfons have taken place or are in the course of negotiation regarding the sale of this particular plant.

Give fu ll particulars with respect to the present standin g of this particular indu stry which would incl ude •its ,tota l cost to the Government from its tlnception up to the present .time. Also, from whom ,the machinery was purchased for this plant; the total cost of said machi nery; who inspected the machinery on behalf of the Gov­ ernment and who gave a certificate, if any, with respect to the condit ion of such machinery. 5. To ask the honourable the Min­ iste r of Financ e and / or the appro­ priate Mfi nister to table the following informati on :

(1) A sta tement showing tJ1e total amount advanc ed for the construction of the Gypsum Plant at Comer Brook, giving the total cost of this plant to the Government ,as well as ,tabling a statem ent showing any Contracts which m ight have been made for the sale of the Gypsum product. Also, whether or not the plant is for sale and if negotiations have taken place or are in tJie course of negotliation regarding the sale of this particular Plant.

Give full particular s with respect to the prese nt standing of this particular indu stry which would include its tota l cost to the Governm ent from its in­ ceptio n up to the present time. Also, from whom the machinery was purchased for this Plant; ·the total cost of sa id machinery ; who inspected the machinery on 'behalf of the Gov-

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 23 ernm enl a nd who gave a Cer tifica te, if any, wit h respect Lo the condit ion of such machin ery. 6. To ask the honourab le Lhe Min ­ ister of Public W orks Lo table the followi ng informa Lion : (

I) A stateme n t showing the total amount expended by the Provincial Government on the construction of the Trans-Canada Highway ~n New­ foundland; as well as the total a moun t advanced by 1..he Federal Government for this particular work, d u ring Lhe fiscal yea r 1951-52.

(2) Were a ny negouauons made wi1..h Constructi on Firms from the mai nland for the bui lding of bridges on this particular road, and w hat was the result of suc h negotiations?

(3) W ith respect to the paving of the H ighway from Waterford Bridge to Doyle' s Bridge in the Dist rict of St. John's West, give the follow ing information : (

a) T he approx imate cost per mile for Lhe work perfom1ed. (

b) W ere any nego tiations entered in to for t he acquisition of certain land s to widen the road in this par­ ticular terr itory; what were the re­ sults of such negoti ations; with who m were the negotiati ons made; and has the Government any intention of ex­ ercising its rights LO expropriate the land in question, whi ch has evide ntly held up certain work in this rterritory, thus retarding the completion of t his particu lar sect ion. Who arc the peo­ ple who refused to co-op erate with the Government in letting the public 7. To ask the honourable the Min­ jster of Public Works Lo ta ble the follow ing information : (

I) What has been the total cosl to the Provincia l construct ion of Corner Brook ? Government for the the Sanitor ium al

(2) What Company or Companies performed the work?

(3) What amounts ilid each Com ­ pany receive for their services? 8. To ask 1..he honourab le the Min ­ ister of Public Works to 1..able the followi ng rinformatio n : (

I) When will the new wing at the Mental H ospira! be completed and ready for occupation?

(2) What has been the tota l cost of this new wing up to the present ti me?

(3) What amount, if any, has the Federal Government contrib uted lo­ wards the constructio n of this new wing?

(4) Give the names of the com­ panies ~vho performed Lhe work, to­ gether with the amounts paid each company?

(5) What a mount of money is it anti cipated will be necessary to finish these buildings befo re they are read y for occupation and operation? 9. To ask the honou rab le the Min­ ister of Publi c Works to table the following information : (

I) The tota l amou nt expe nded by that Department for travelling ex­ penses LO date during the present ha ve the necessary prop eny Lo com- fiscal year; to whom the amounts plete the job; and what intentions were paid; and what services were have the Government in tJ1is particu- rende red in con nect ion with suc h Jar matter? travelling?

24 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 10. To ask the honourable the Mini ster of Pu blic Works to tab le .the following information : (

l) The total cost to the Prov in­ cial Government of Newfoundland for the construction of the Trans­ Canada H ighway during the past two years?

(2) How many miles of road were constructed?

(3) What companie s performed the work?

(4) How many mil es did eac h company build?

(5) What was the amount paid each company for such work?

(6) H ow many brid ges were built? (?) Give the nam es of ,the com­ panies who constru cted the s aid bridg es, and the cost of each brid ge. II. To ask the hon ourabl e the Mi nister of Jus tice to table the fol­ lowing i nformation : (

I) A stat ement sho wing the total amount expe nded by Lha t D epa r tme nt for travelling expen ses to date durin g the present fiscal year; LO whom the amounts were paid and what services were rendered in connection with such travelling? 12. To ask the honoura ble the Min ­ ister of J ustice to tabl e the following : (

l) A state ment showing amo unts paid for Lega l Services to members of the Legal Profession not on Lhe perm anent staff of th e Justice Depa rt­ ment , from J anuary 1st, 1950, to dat e. What services were performed for such expend itu res? 13. T o ask the honourable th e Premier LO tab le t he following infor• mation: (

l) ls it the in tent ion of the Gov­ ernme nt to carry out tbe provision of the Election Act by having a by-elec­ tion in the District of Burgeo and LaP oile to fill the vacancy created by Lhe appo intm ent of the hon ourab le Mr. Quin ton to the Sena te? 14. To ask the honourable the Min­ ister of Economic Development to tab le th e following informati on : ( 1) The Report of t he Power Cor­ poration of Canada relative to tb e Survey which they made in connection with the waterpowers in the Bay D'Espoir territo ry.

(2) Also state ment showing the total amount paid th is Corporation for the preparation of the Repo rt and for the making of t he Survey. 15. To ask the honou rab le the Min­ ister of Economic Develop ment to tab le the following informat ion :

(1) The Report sub mitt ed to the Government by the Rockefeller Or­ gan izatio n know n as "IBEC"; which Report pres umab ly covers a survey of Labrad or areas and the possibilit y of the establi shment of anot her Pulp and Paper Mil l.

(2) At the same time, inform the House the tota l amount paid to "IBEC" for t his particu lar Surve y and R eport. 16. T o ask the hono urable the Min• ister of Economic Development and/or appropriate Ministe r to table the fol­ lowi ng informatio n: ( 1) Whether or not any work has been perfor med by th e Newfo und land - Labrador Corporation, Limit ed, dur­ ing the past few mon tbs, such as sur­ veys or prospecting in the Labrador territory concerned?

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(2) Give a Finan cia l StatemenL o( the Company at the presenL tim e, ad­ vising the Hou se whether or not the Government has paid into th e Treas­ ury of the Company the $900,000 as provided for under the Legislation ; and whether or not th e other parties LO the Agreement hav e s ubscri bed th eir amount of $100,000 und er the same agreement?

(3) Give the latest report of the company. 17. To ask the honourable th e Premie r and Mini ster of Economic De­ velopment Lo table the following in­ formation: (

I) A statement showing the total amo unt expended by th ese two De­ partments for trav elling expenses to date during the present fiscal year; LO whom the amount s were paid and what services were rendered in con­ nectio n with such travelling. 18. To ask th e honourable the Min­ ister of E conomic Developm en t to table the follow ing in for mation : (

I) Give a stat ement showing the na mes of all personn el empl oyed in the Departme nt whose services have been acquired in Europe.

(2) Give the speci fie position s eac h individua l occupie s, toge ther with salari es paid them.

(3) Was fre e tra nsportati on provid ­ ed LO bring these people from Europe : if no l, what arra ngcruents were n1ade in th is respect? 19. To ask the honourabl e the Min ­ iste r for Econom ic Development and / or the appropriate Mini ster to table the following info rmati on : (

I) What was the total cost to the Prov ince for the campaign to "Buy Newfoundland Product s" instituted during the fiscal year 1950-51?

(2) Give a detail ed stat ement of the amo unt s paid; and Lo whom they were paid; together with cer tified ac­ counts of such payment s. (3) Give th e nam es o f the ind ivid­ uals who had charge of this

part ic­ ular cam paign, as well as the amounts paid each individual for services ren­ dered in connec tio n with thi s partic ­ ular campaign. 20. To ask the honourable the Min ­ ister of Economic Development and/or the appropr iate Mini ster to tab le the following information : (

I) A statem ent showing the prop ­ erti es purchased by the Government for the establishment of certain in­ dus tri es in the Province; the amou nt paid for such properties and the per­ sons or companies 10 whom such amounts were paid. 21. To ask the hon ourable the Min­ ister of Economi c Development to tab le the following information: (

I) W hat machinery and/or equip• ment has been rece ived from Europe during th e past six months 10 be used in the erec tion and establishmen t of certain new industries in Newfound ­ land ?

(2) What is the value of such mach­ inery?

(3) Who inspected the machin ery on behalf of the Gove rnment ?

(1) If no inspection was made, why not? 22. To ask the honou rable the Min­ ister of Educatio n to table the follow­ ing information: (

I) A sta tement show ing the tot al amount expended by that Departm ent for travell ing expens es to date dur­ ing the present fiscal year; to whom

26 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Lhe amounts were paid and wh at ser­ vices were rendered in con nection with su ch trave lling. 23. To ask th e hono urable the Min­ isLer of Fisheri es and Co-operatives to table the following information : (

I) What is the present situation with regard to the mark eting of the 1951 Salt Codfis h product?

(2) Give a written statem ent cov­ ering this who le affair, and advise the House what steps , i f a ny, the Gov­ ernme n t has taken wi th regard to the marke ting of the 1951 Salt Codfis h catch. 24. To ask the •honoura'ble the Mi n­ ister of Fisheries and Co-operatives to table the following information : (

I) A state ment showing the tota l amo unt expended by that Depa rtme nt for Trave ll ing Expenses to dat e dur­ ing t he prese n t fiscal year; to whom the amounts were paid and wh at ser­ vices were ren dered in conn ection with such travelli ng. 25. To ask the honourabl e the Min­ ister of Fish eries and Co-operatives to tab le the following informa tion : (

I) A copy of the Report or Interim Report ma de by the R oyal Commis ­ sion inquiring into prices paid for fish during the year 1 950:

(2) Who were the membe rs of the Commission and what remu nerat ion did each receive, if any. 26. To ask the honourabl e the Min ­ ister of Supply to table the following info rmation : (

I) A stateme n t s howing the tota l amount expe nded by that Department for travelling expe nses to date dur­ ing the prese nt fiscal year ; LO whom the amount s were paid and wha t ser- vices were rende red in con nection with such travelling. 27. To ask the honourable the Min ­ ister of Supply to table the following information : (

I) What was the tota l cost of the equi pment and furnishings purchased for the Sanator ium at Corner Brook?

(2) From what compan y or compan ­ ies wer e such furnis hin gs purc h ased? Give the names of su ch compa nies, together with the amounts p aid to each;

(3) Were tenders called for thi s par ticu lar eq uipm ent? If so, table a copy of suc h tenders. 28. To ask the hon ourabl e the Minister of Provincial Affairs to tab le the foll0111ing information with respect to th e H ousing Corpo ra tio n :

(1) How many houscs a~·e now in the territory known as "The Housing Corporatio n"?

(2) H ow many of su ch h ouses have been sold?

(3) The total sum agreed to be paid for such hou ses and what amount has been paid on accoun t, :to elate?

(4) H ow many house s are rented ?

(5) What is the total ren t per annum?

(6) Whal has been the total cost of the const ru ctio n of all ,houses; the pri ce to include the value of the land? 29. To ask Lhe honourable the Mini ster o[ Provincia l Affairs to tab le the following informatio n :

(1) T h e tot al numb er of Apar t­ ment Building s administered by the Corporatio n;

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(2) The number of Apartments in eac h building;

(3) T ,he total annua l renta l for all apart ments;

(4) The total cost of fuel for the various buildings;

(5) The salaries paid for manage­ ment o f .the butildings;

(6) T he total amount o f fire in­ surance on said buildin gs, and the rate per ann um;

(7) With what company or com­ panies are the buildings insured, and what is the amount carr ied by each compa ny;

(8) The total municipal taxes paid annually for all apartment buildings;

(9) ApaI't from the Board of Direc­ tors of the Housing Corporation, who is directly responsibl e Lo the Board or to the Government for the ad min­ istration of the entir e Hou sing Cor­ poratio n and what salary or salaries are being paid for such services?

(10) What is the total indebtedness of the H ousing Corporatio n at the present time .to the Newfoundland Provincial Governme n t? (I 1) What is the • indebte dness of the Housing Corporation to the SL John's Municipal Council a t the present time? 30. To ask the honourab le the Minister of Labour lo tab le the fol­ lowing information :

(1) A sta tem ent showi ng the total amount expe nded lby that Depa rtm ent for Lravelling expenses to dat e during the present fiscal year; to w hom the amounts were paid and what services were rendered in con nectio n with such travelling? 3L To ask .the honourabl e the Mini ster of Public Health to table the following information : (

I) What reason did Dr. Charles Roberts give for his resignalJion as Superintendent of the Genera l Hos­ pita l?

(2) Did Dr. Robetrs have any dif­ ferences of views of the administration of the General Hospital with the officials of the Departme n t of Health; if so, explai-n suc11 differences?

(3) Who is now Acting Superin ­ tendent of the General Hospital; and is it the intention of the Gove rnm ent to make a permanent appo in tment to this posit ion, and whe n will such ap­ pointment be made?

(4) What prog ress has been made wtith regard to the estabHsh ment of a hospital in the District of Ferryland; or nursing stati ons as su bstitu.tion for such hospital. lt no progress has been made, ~vhen is it intended to do something in thi s respect?

(5) Have certain medical offlicers resigned t heir positions in any con­ stitue ncy in the Province and ,jf so why such resignation? H ave any dif­ ferences a risen bet ween medi cal offi­ cers und er Governm ent superwsion practising in outlying sett lements which caused such 1·esignati on? Table all particulars in connection with this particular matter.

(6) How many motor cars are operated by the DepaPtment of Pub­ lic H ealth?

(7) Have any new vehicles been purchased dur ing the present fiscal year; if so, how many; from whom were they purchased and what prices were paid for each particular vehicle?

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(8) What are the total expe nses in the Public H ealth Department for the opera tion of motor vehicles; thi s to include salaries paid to mecha nics or chauffe urs, as -well as general re­ pairs, gas, oil, etc.?

(9) For what servi ces are these cars employed. Are a ny of ,the m employed in other wor k apart from the H ealth Department? Give all particulaTS. 32. To ask the honoura ble I.be Minister of Publi c H ealth to tabl e the following i nform ation :

(1) A s tat emen t showing the total amount expended by that Depa rtm ent for travelling expenses to date during the present fiscal year ; to who m the amounts were pa id and what serv ices were rend ered in connect ion with such travelling . 33. To ask tile hon ourable the Minist er o f Pu blic Welfa re to table the following informatio n : (

I) A statemen t showing the to ta l amo un t expe nded by that Departme nt for trav elli ng exp enses to date dur ing the present fiscal year; to whom the amounts were paid and what services were rend ered in conne ction with such travelli.ng . 34. To ask the honourab le the Min ister of Publi c Works to table the following information : (

I) Give the names of all personnel of foreign origi n employed by the H ighroads Depart men t; give tl1e specific positio ns they hold and the salar ies bein g paid.

(2) Did .the Govern ment pay their tran sporta tio n from Europe; if so, is it the Gove rnm ent's intention to de­ duc t s uch amounts from the pay o f the indi viduals concerned? MR. HIGGINS : I apologize ris- ing at this la te -hour . and give notice ; I will be very short, I hav e only one questio n to ask for tomorrow. [ give notice tha t I will on tomorrow ask the honourable t he Premier to table the following : (!) Did Harriman-Ripley & Com­ pan y Incorporated disassociate them­ selves from the Crow n Corporation?

(2) Is the Pre mier prepared to give the House an assura nce that Harri ­ man-R ipley 8: Compa ny Incorporated have either irrevocably committe d themselves to the Crown Corporati on or have give n an i1,revocable und er­ tak ing or commitme nt thereof? And if so, to what extent? MR. SMAL LWOOD: Mr. Spea ker, I move the House at its rising do ad­ journ un til 3:00 o'clock tomorro w. The H o use adjourned accordilllgly. THURSDAY, October 25, I 951. The H ouse ope ned at three of the clock. HON . J . R. SMALLWOOD (Prime Mini ster) : Mr.

Spea ker, I should like Lo invite the attent io n of the H ouse for a mome nt to a very fin e addition, decorative and symbolic ad­ dition made to th e Cham ber since we last met in it. I r efer to the New­ foundland Coat of Arms which is immedi3Jlely a·bove His H onour's Head. This was ca1'ved by hand by a New­ foundl ander , Mr. Thomas Pott ies, a carpe nter in tl1e Fire Depa r tment of St. J ohn's. Mr. Potties also painted the crest and I t hin k the H ouse will agree that not alone ris t his crest an addition Lo the Cha mber ,but is also a credi t to the craftsma nship of Mr.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 29 Potties whose work has a tt ract ed so such should be done. On the other much favourable at ten tio n in · the past. tl thought I should draw the attention of the Hou se to this new crest . Presenting Petitions None . P1·esenting R eports of Standing and Select Committees MR. COURAGE: Mr. Speaker, the select commiuce appointed to move an address in reply to the Speech from the Throne >have met and I beg leave to m ove the adoption of the following address: To His H ono ur the Lieu tenant Governor, Sir Leonard Cecil Out­ erb rid ge, Knight Bache lor, C.B.E., o.s.o.

May it plea se Your Ho nour: We, the Commo ns o f Newfo un d­ land in Legislative Session Assem­ bled, tbeg to thank Your Honou r for the Gracious Speec h which Your Hono ur addre ssed to this H ouse . (Sgd.) JOH N R. COURA GE. J OH N G. HIGGINS. SAMUEL DROVER . Assembly Room, Oct. 25th, A.O. , 1951. MR. SMA'LLWOOD : Mr. Speaker, assu me t hat my honourable friends op pos~te are not ready to debate the motion.

It is upon this motion that the deba te takes place on the Speech from the Throne, the mo tion to adopt ,this ,repo rt; if the motion is p u t now t here would >be no d ebate and I d o not assum e that it is the desire of the House especia lly of my hon­ ourable fri ends across the floo r that hand I assume also ,that they are not prepared to proc eed with the debate because H is H onour's Speech of yes­ terday lies on the desk of the membrs and I would assum e that by tomorrow the Hou se would be ready to proceed with the debate.

I hope ,that the session can lbc reasonably short and that the deba Le can be termin ated with in a reasonable period of time so that, first , i t ,vill not drag as it has had a tendency to do in other such sessions ; and secondly , that the way will be clear in th e H ouse for t he transact ion of o th er business of the session. For that reason, You r H on­ our, I hope my honourable friends op posite will be prepa red tomorrow 10 com mence the debate. How man y members of •the Hou se, ta kin g both sides, arc anxi ous to take

part in this debate I do not know. l would imagi ne that some members at leas t o n this side would wish to spea k, and some, if not all, on the other side, likewise. But I do hope that we will be ready to begin the deb a te on tom orow and not like the Winter session, with th e Win ter and Spring ahead, 1bu t thi s is a Fa II session and we have a fair ly considerab le a mount of p ublic busin ess to do today a nd Cor that reason the address on the debate in repl y can be begu n tomor ­ row and termina ted as soon as rea ­ sonably possib le t hereafter. Now, I am not going to make a motion becau se l do not wish t o lose my opportunity to

part icipate in the debate, I am merely s peaking on be­ ha lf of the Governm ent and of the whole Hou se in thi s mat ter, and I would suggest that some honourable mem ber move the adjo urn me n t o f the d ebate. If he is not prepared actually to proceed now with the d ebate, which I a ssume is possrbly the case,

30 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS would some member please move the adjournmenL of Lhe debate. MR. RUSSELL: Mr. Speaker, I move ,the adjournment of Lhe debate until tom orro w, at which time I pro­ pose to speak on the motion. Carried. MR. SPEAKER: Mea nwhile the report has been rece ived and will lie on lhe table of the House. HON. DR. H. L. POTTLE (Acting Ministe r of Nat ural Resource s): Mr. Speaker, may I draw the attention of the honourabl e House to the fact that complimentary copies of "The Birds of Newfoundland" have been placed on the desk of each honourable mem­ ber. The purpo se of doing thi s, Mr.

Speaker, is not, as was banteringly sugges ted already, to act as a decoy to distract the attention of honour­ ab le members from speeches that may be mad e o n the opposite side of the House. More serio usly it is a con­ tribution to the natural history of Newfoundland and we believe it does achieve tha,t end, and it is placed on the desk of members for their pleas ­ ure as a oompliment from the Actin g Mini ster of Natural Resources. MR. JOHN G. HIGGIN S (Leader of the Oppositio n) : Mr. Speaker, I hope the honouralble Mini ster's point is unin tentional. Giving Notice of Motions and Questions MR.

HlGGI NS : Mr. Speaker, I give no tice that I will on tomorrow ask the honourable the Premier: I. When will Hansard be pub ­ lished? 2. How much of it is read y for publication a t present? Also to ask the honourable the Pre­ mier: 1. Did the Premi er receive any ex­ pert advi ce regarding the Seigheim ente11prise before he tbrought the matter before the House? 2. Did he obLain or seek a financia l report on Dr. Seigheim or his associ­ ates? If so, please table the report. Also to ask the honourable the Premie r: I. To set out catego rically the var­ ious indu stries the Government in­ tends to start. 2.

Where will they be situated? 3. How arc they to be finan ced? 4. Has the GovernmenL received any expert advice or report on them from qualified independen t industrial ­ ists or techni cal experts? If so, please table the repor ts. 5. How will the various industries be manned ? 6. How many people does the Gov­ ern ment anLicipate will be brought in from outside ? Notice of Motion Honourable the Premi er to ask leave Lo introduce a Bill "An Act to Ap· prove and Give Statuto ry EffecL to an AgreemenL BeLween the Government and Canadian Machin ery and Indu s• Lry Constrnction Limited ." Bill read a first time.

Ordered to be read a secon d time on tomor­ row. Honourabl e the Premer to ask leave to in trodu ce a Bill "An Act Lo Approve and give Stat utory Effect to an Agreement between the Govern­ ment and Newfound land Asbestos Limited ."

HOUSE O F ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 3 1 Bill read a first time. Ordered Lo be read a second time on tomorrow. H onourable the Premier to ask leave to intr oduce a Bill "An Act to Ap­ prove and give Statuto ry Effect to an Agreement between the Government and Newfou ndland Tanneri es-Wil ­ liam Dorn Limi<ted ." Bill read a first time. Ordered to be read a second tim e on tomorrow. MR. SPEAKER: Questions I to 34, Mr. Cashin , addr essed to vario us Minist ers. Question 35, Mr. Higgins, addressed to the honoura ble the Premier. MR. SMALLWOOD: I may say, Mr.

Speaker , spea king gener all y, all of us Mini sters here see th ese questions for th e first tim e now on the Order Paper. Yesterday we heard them read, but we had not until now seen them in p rinted cop ies. Of course they have been deliver ed, or I assume they have been delivered, Lo the various clepart­ mems from whi ch we will receive th em in due course. With regard to the pa rticular question number 35, I can give the answer to that out of hand and will not wait for consultation or reference to docum ents or papers. 35 (

I) The answer is, no. The y did not, have not, and will not.

(2) The answer is, no. If the ques­ tion mean s, have they paid the cost into the Treasury of Corporation, t he answer is they have not, nor has the Government. No one has paid a ny cash capita l or any cash into the Treas ury of the Corporation. If t he question is, have H arriman -Ri pley com mitt ed them selves to the present sit uation, now the position is, Mr. Rip ­ ley, the head of H arriman -Riple y, is due to arriv e here in St.

J ohn's in the nex t month; he was due to arrive on November 11 th, un til it was pointed out Lo him that tha t is the date on which H er Royal Highness the Prin­ cess Elizab et h and the Duke of Edin ­ burgh are due to arrive here and we have asked Mr. Ripley to postpone his visit a few clays. He proposes to spend some •two or three weeks here, not in St. John's alone, but to make a tour of the Isla nd to see for him self at first hand somethin g of our posi­ tion, something of our resource s. Mr.

Ripl ey will be accompa nied by other d irectors of the Corporation who, to­ gether wit h the Newfoundland Direc­ tors, will hold the first directors' meet­ ing of the Corporation, whe reupon all the fonnalit ies arising out of the Cor­ poration will be proce eded with with ­ out de lay, the capita l paid in to the treasury o f the Corporat ion and th e Corporation becomi ng a fin ancial body.

It p roved to be too late after the legislation was passed in thi s Chamber and received the Roya l Assent to do anyt hing thi s year in 1951, by way of perfor man ce of th e functi ons for whi ch the Corporation is being set up. For which reason th ere appeared to be no

part icular reason Lo rush the act ual formality , more especia lly in view of the fact th at some of us had to be absen t from Newfoundland. So it was left until th e Fall so that durin g the remai nder o f th e Fall and Wint er active plan­ ning may be done for a progra mme during the Spring and Summer of next year. I hope that is the answer the committee and my honourab le friend wish rto have. Orders of Lhe Day Second reading of llill "An Act to Amend the In dustries Act." H ON . LESLIE R. CURTIS (Atto r­ ney General ): Mr. Speaker, I move the second reading o f this llill and I

32 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS wou ld ask Lhe pleasure o f th e Ho use 10 have i t read a second lime at such short notice. Not Lhat the notice is unu sually short, but one does not ex· pect to get down to business as early as this in the session; becau se of our desire to make a short session, we wish to pro ceed with it now. The Bill before the House is a Bill to facilitate new industries by secur• ing the necessary land on which to build .

As the honourable members will notice, it is customary in every bit of l egislatio n that deals with the bri nging in of new indu sLries, to give that indu stry Lhe righ t to expropriate land. I think Bowaters had that right whe n they made an agre ement with the Governm ent; I think th e A.N.D. Company had that d ght, and I think it is the uni versa l practice when a compa ny comes here under contract with the Governme nt to adva nce i n­ dustry they have cer tain righ ts of expropriation.

It is necessary that in· dustry has that dght because other· wise they would be very considerably delayed, and perhaps , in fact, if th ere were no such legislat ion it might be necessary in certai n cases for the in• d ustrialists to abando n ,the idea of sett ing up here altogether. My learned friend, the Leader of the Opposition, knows that parti cul• arly in Newfou ndland the titl e to land is not very clear and if an industry had to wait until the title to small pieces of la nd whioh might be in ­ volved were cleared up, the time for starti ng would have elapsed. MR.

HIGGINS : Suppo se you do not know who ,the owner is? Speaker , move ,the second reading of this ,mu, which adds to the Industry Act which we passed at the last ses• sion, clauses empowering the Minister of Economic Development with the consent of the Lieutenant Governor in Cou ncil, to acquire land by pur• chase or otherwise and also to give him the right to expropriate land where it can not be secured otherw ise.

The Act follows closely the Public Works Act and sets forth the prin• ciple of compen sation, the appoint• ment of a board of assessors, payment of land and payment to the courts in the case of no owner being avail• able, it provide s for the repaym ent i f the money is not claimed and lastly provides for the award and the land may lbe expropriated. I do not think I need to read the vario us cla uses but I would like to add one thing; my hon oura ble friend the Leader of the Opposition will app reciate the need for the expropria tion powers in the case of an infant-a s is known an in­ fant cannot sell land.

If there is a piece of land vested in an infan t it is practically impossible to make arra ngeme nts to get title to it from that infant. In such a case ex pro ­ priatio n proced ure such as these assure the interest concerned of good tit le. I move, Mr. Speake r, the second readi ng of thi s Bill. Bill read a second time. MlR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, I think this is t he only busi ness we arc legally permitted to do under the Rule s ·of the House; if we refer it -to Committee of the Whole until MR.

CURTIS: In that case the tomorrow, \Ve will have to rise and matter is plac ed in court and after three years it reverts to the Crown in accordance with provi sions of sec­ tion 16 (2) . 1 would therefore, Mr. adjourn un til tomorrow. As we bave adopted the princip le of ,the Bill , wou ld the House be ready to go into Committee on the clear understa nd-

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 33 ing ,that any point that arose would be deferr ed, and we could go into Committee of the 'Whole, not to adopt everyt hing in Committ ee of the Whole today, but to defer any point wheneve r any honour able gentle­ man wishes to have it defer red for further considerati o n. I do not mean to dispose of it but just to read it over and leave over any point hon ­ ourable gentlemen may wish. MR. HIGGI NS : I do not like the principl e. It is a very vicious trend and the pulblic should know the thin gs that are goi ng o n.

The idea of this Act- I am quit e willing to go on, providing we can go back and not rega rd anythi ng as passed. I am quit e willing then. MR. SPEAKER: It is my under­ standi ng that the Bill now be referred to Committee of the ·whole where no clau ses will 1be passed on except tho se on whi ch there is general agree ment. Commi ttee of the Whole on Bill "An Act to Amend the Indu stries Act, 1951."

Section 1 read. MR. H IGGINS : In the first line, is that the prop er titl e of the In­ dustries Act? MR. CURT IS : M y department is very carefu l on thi ngs like this and I thi nk you will find it is correct. How­ ever , I will check it up betwee n n ow and tomorrow. Sectio n 1 passed. Sectio n 2 read . MR. HIGGI NS: Would that cover the case where it is not known who is the owner of the land? Would tha,t cover that ? MR. CURTIS : T hat would take effect no matter who owns it. MR. RUSSELL : 9 (2) -the pur­ pose of this is fo r the Crown? MR.

CU RTIS: Yes, everything to be done sha ll be done by the Govern­ ment a.nd then passed over to the industry . We do not want everybody to have a right. MR. SMALLWOOD: For exa mpl e, suppose you bring in an Europ ea n, a German or Swedish firm or any Eur­ opean fim1, the Governme nt is in­ stru mental in bringing them in or probab ly they come in on the ir own; would you give an Europea n concern, even with all th e goodwill in the world, the rig ht to just step out on their own to expropriat e land? Would it not be bette r and the public inter­ est be g uarded, protected, by having the Government do i t?

That is especia lly t ru e of the Eu ropean com­ panies . v\fe do not want our people to feel foreigners arc goi ng to come in and grab their land on them. MR. RUSSELL :

Section 8 a nswers my question. Mr. Chairma n, I sha ll now mak e a comment LO pave the way for discussion on tomoro nv. Ther e is to be a boa rd of assessors, two by the Minister, and a third by the owner of the property. If we are not careful the Minister will appoi nt all these, and the finding of any two is final. Wou ld it no t be just as well to go ahead without appointing a board, th ey have a majority. MR. CURTIS: This is a d irect copy of the Boa rd of Public Works Act. MR. HIGGINS : I t is not a good system. MR. CURTIS: No, b u t it i s a little better than the board for Ameri­ can Claim s whc h was entirely done by the Governme nt.

34 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS MR. RUSSELL : Anyhow it is en­ tirely up LO the Minister. MR. HIGGINS : The position is tha t Lhe owner appoi nts a man. MR. CURTIS: As a matt er of fact these board s are generally very gen­ erous . If they err at all it ·is on the side of generosity. MR. RUSSELL : The Ministe r has all Lo say on such a board. MR. HIGGINS : There is a matter on page 5. Here is a commercial prop ositio n being taken up in this coun try, going ,to bui ld a factory, and take land belonging to an owner which he may need ,but which he wtll be paid for.

He may need Lhe money immediately but must wait for six months; that money should be paid immediately. That fa not compe n­ sation . MR. CURTIS: We must check t hat; it is copied from the other Act. MR. HIGGINS : 11 (4) - I pre- sume, I suppose they must give limits of the boundari es of the land which they need. MR. CURTIS: The point is, I think, the title passes and immedi­ ately the noti ce is given- MR. HIGGINS : The Housing Corporation pay no fees. MR. CURTIS: There are no fees at all in the H ousing Corporation. MR. HIGGINS: That is a puhlic body; th ese are not purblic bodies, just indu stri es. MR.

CURTIS: I presume the Government will look after itself. This docum ent is in the nam e of the Government. They do the exprop ri­ ation and not pass it over un til later. MR. HIGGINS : The Gove rnmen t does not presume to make money . MR. CURTIS: I presume they will collect to cover the cost. MR. HIG GINS : If the assessors do not put the prop er value on the land how are Lhe Governme nt going to add on fees for registration when the re are no fees? Who makes up ~he the cost, who makes out an expense? Rem embe r the Government intend s to give this to private enterpr ise. MR.

CURTIS: They shou ld be exempt from fees. They can give certificates and registration doc uments free. MR. HIGGINS : And should there be fees for pri vate enterpri se and in­ dustries? M-R. CURT IS: I think we are taking a chan ce on losing $2 or $3 in fees tha t might be cnvo lvcd. I t h ink it is a point whi ch might be consid­ ered and I thank you for raising it.

Section 2 passed.

Section 3 read and passed. The Com mittee rose, reported pro­ gress, a nd asked leave -to sit aga in on tomor row. Leave gram cd. MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomo rrow ask leave ,to introd uce a Bill "An Act to App rove and Give Stat utory Effect to An Agreeme nt Between the Gov­ ernment and United Cotton Mills Limi ted ." That being, Mr. Speaker, all that we can legally do today at Lhe second sitting oE this session, I move the Hou se at its rising do adjou rn until tomorrow, Friday, at 3:00 of the clock.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 35 The House adj ourned accordingly. FRIDAY, October 26, 1951. The House opened at three of the clock. HON . .J. R. SMALLWO OD (Prim e Minister): Mr. Speake r, I am in re• ceipt of a letter which I think I ought to read to the Hou se and table here. I t is from Mr. Lurje, 253 West, 76 Street, New York, 23, N.Y.: "ELJA LURJE 253 West 76th St. New York, 23, N.Y. October 9, I 951. Honourable J. R. Smallwood, Premier of Newfound land, St. J ohn's, N.F., Dear Mr. Smallwood, After reading an

article in the J ewish newspaper "The Day" I feel it my duty to write to you concern• ing the person there in Dr. Alfred A. Valdmani s. I was a Latvian cn,zen and I am of Jewish descent, and have lived in Ri ga, La tvia, since I 924. In 1941 I was in a concentration camp in Riga and in 1944 I was taken to Stuthoff, Germany. While in Riga, I was active in busine ss and thoroughly familiar with Latvian affairs. I know Dr. Valdmanis since 1927 and am awa re of his activities. He was at all times a just and fair man. He practised and advo ­ cated t he democratic way of life .

He was at all times ready to help peop le and never exhibited any racia l prejudice or bigotry. His friendship to all was well known and his cha racter and integrity was unimpeachab le. The stateme nts appear ing in "The Day" are gross and malicious lies. You may use this letter for any purpose you wish. Yours very faithfully, (Sgd.) Elja Lurje." Attached is a photostat copy of a lcuer from the Government of Israel: "Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Poli ti cal Department, 28.7.49 8/8/lcn . This is to certify that Mr. E. D. LURJE was a member of the Executive of the Zionist Federat ion in Latv ia (Riga) in 1932-34.

As a former Vice-President of the same Federation I know him personally as a devoted Zionist of a good reputation. (Sgd.) B. Gureviez, Chief of Depar tment." [ table this letter so that it may be available to members of the House and members of the press. Presen tin g P etitions None . Presenting Reports o( Stand ing and Select Committees No ne. Giving Notice o( Motio ns and Quest ions HON. LESLIE R. CURT IS (Attor• ney General): Mr. Speaker, I give notice I will on tomorrow ask leave to

36 HO USE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDIN GS introduce a Bill "A n Act to Ame nd the A u tomob ile I nsurance Act, 1951." Also a Bill "A n Act Furth er to Amend t he Alco holic Liqu ors Act, 1949." MR. CASHI N : Mr. Speaker , I give notice that I will on tomorrow ask the honourabl e the Mini ster o f Fin • ance to table the following informa • tion : I. H ow much revenue has been col­ lected und er t he head ing "Social Sccur• ity T ax" from April 1st, 1951, t o Sept· ember 30th , 1951? 2. If possible, give th e amounts col• lec ted from each Electoral D istrict un• der thi s head ing. 3. H as this

part icular revenu e been deposited in a separat e accoun t in the Bank, and u sed solely for Socia l Ser• vices, or is i,t deposi ted to Exchequer Accoun t a nd included in all other sources of revenue? MR. J OH N G. H lCGINS (Leader of th e Opposition): M r. Speaker, I give notice that I will on tomorro w ask the honourab le the Mini ster of Na t• ura l Resources: l. Wi ll he give some idea to the H ouse as to the a mount of far m prod• uce forming Lhis year's crop? 2. l s his Departme nt making a ny effo rt to help th e farm ers to dispose of their crop ? 3.

Are th e farmers finding i t diffi ­ cult to dispose of their crop? Also to ask the honourable t he Min ­ iste r of Fisheries : J. What is t he policy of the Govern­ ment regard ing the fisheries? 2. Will the Governme nt say, in view of certain things that have •happened, whether it is •tJ1e inten tion of the Gov­ ern ment to na tionalize the fisheries? 3. Is it t he inte ntio n of the Govern­ ment to fix prices a nd control the fi~heries? MR. FOG WI LL: Mr.

Spea ker, I give notice th at I will o n tomo rrow ask the honourabl e the Minister of Economic Development for 1he follow­ ing inform ation in r ega rd to the ccmenL pla nt at H umbermout h: I. What is the yearly estim ated pro­ duction of cement in short tons? 2. Who is s upplying th e electri c power to the plant? 3. , vhat is the tota l connected elec­ trical l oad in horsepowe r? 4. What is the ra te being charged per kil owall, table scale of r ates ? 5. What type of fuel is being used, oil or coal? 6. W hat is the storage capacity of fuel in ga lions o r t ons? 7.

What is the cost of fuel in gal­ lons o r tons? 8. What is the total est ima ted num ­ ber of perma nent e mpl oyees to be en­ gaged? 9. T ab le scale o f wages to be paid to the vario us classifications, such as of­ ficials, trades men, office wor kers and labo urers in th e plan t a nd at t he quarry . Notice of Motion Honourab le the Premier to ask l eave to intr oduce a Bill "An Act to Aip­ pro ve and give Statut ory Effect to a n Agreement between the Governm ent and United Cotto n Mill s, Limi ted." Bill read a first time. Orde red to be read a second time o n tomorrow.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 37 MR. SMALLWOOD: Mr. Speaker, l have answers to one or two questions. T he R eport of the Audit o r Genera l for •the year ending 31 March 1951 is pres­ ently in course of preparation and will be tab led in the House in due course. Question l (5) : Question I. (2) : Bank of Montreal, St. J ohn's: Overdraft amounting to $ 1,042, I 05. On deposit with l•ederal Govern­ ment : S2,000,000. Payments Received From Federa l Government 1/4/5 1 to 30/9/5 1 (

i) Department of Finance. (

a) Transitional Grant ...................................................................... $3,250,000 (

b) Subsidies in lieu of taxes rented ................................................ 3,875,878 (

c) Federal Subsidies ................................. ............................................ 770,000 (ii) Departmen t of Education (

a) Grant-in-Aid, Vocationa l Training ......................................... . 39,097 (iii) Department of th e Attorney General (

a) Cost of Maintenance, etc., Federal Prison ers ...................... .. 11,506 (iv) Department of Public Works (

a) Grant-in-Aid, Hospital Construction ............. ,............................ 134,074 (

b) Grant- in-Aid, Tran s-Canada Highway ................................... 152,637 (

v) Department of Health (

a) Expan sion of Existing Health Services ................................. . 255,375 (vi) Department of Publi c Welfare (

a) Old Age Pensio ns (

b) Family Allowa nce Inve stigations .......................... ................ 1,032.449 $9,521,016 NOTE: The above figure s are subject to Audit. Question No. 2. I do not know who prepared that: eviden tly one part will be referred LO the Minister of Fisheries and the other part to me; perhaps I can answer verbal ly with regar d to Indu stria l Development Loan Board , maybe I can not-what is ques­ tio n o. 2? The Economic Develop­ ment Loan Board functi ons under the authority of the Act 1949, and is ad­ mini stered under authorit y of the Min­ ister of Economic Developm ent.

The other two are admini stered und er the Department of Fisher ies and Co-opera­ tives, that is, the Fisheri es Loan Board and the Co-operative Loan Board. MR. CASHIN: That will be an­ swered by the other que stion givi ng the numb er of peopl e employe d. i'vfR. SMALLWOOD: I think there is only the chairman, the secretary, and the stenographer . 1 umber 3. This is now being pre­ pared and will be tabl ed as quickly as possible.

I think that is all I have today, but we will, of course, get them as quickly as possible, and while I am on my feet I have a reply to Ques­ tion 36 from the honourable and learned Leader of the Opposi Lion re­ garding Hansard. The proceedings of the first section, in two parts, is in the hands of the printers. Proofs o f the first part of the proceedings hav e been rece ived, cor rected and 1·eturned, bu t no proofs of the second part hav e yet come to hand.

38 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS The proce eding s of the second ses• sion, 1950, are ready to go to the printers. Transcript of the third session, 1951, with the except ion of four days p ro• ceed ings, have been received from the Report er, and are being corrected and re•Lyped. Number 37: 1 certai nly did re• ceive a lot of exper t advice before bringing it beore the House. I cer• tainly did receive more than one re• port on the financial standing of Dr Seigheim and his associates, not writ ten reports, none theless authen tic and good rep orts. I cannot tab le them be· cause they are not writt en repo rts.

Numb er 38: The Gove rnm ent in• tends to sta r t no ind ustrie s, so prop • erly I might stop there. T he Gove rn• ment inte nds only to persuade others to start industries and I imagine that is what my hono urable friend mea n t. MR. HIGGI NS : The cemen t fac• Lory is one you are going to run your• self. MR. SMALLWOOD : That has al• ready been started. The answer is, none. Now, I am not evadi ng that question. If my honourable a nd learned friend is thinking af another maller altogether, how many we are trying to get goi ng?

We do not in• tend, ourse lves, LO star t any indus• tri es but we are certain ly trying to get others to start the m. MR. HIGGINS : I was going to ask that at th e sa me Lime. If you are go• ing to start none, how many do you fote nd to try to get started? MR. SMALLWOOD: As long as that poi nt is clear, I will see if I can answer this questio n as it reads. (!) We have some twenty •three either started or in the process of neg otiations.

(2) T·hat is enitirely a matter for decisio n of those who start t he in• dustries. I wa n t to make it very clear the Government in pers uadin g peo­ ple to come to Newfoundland to es­ tablish industries certai nly do not dictate to them where they are to be &tarted; so Jong as they are in New• foundland we are happy and we do not decide where to start them but leave that to them. They have to make money out of the indu stries to pay their way, pay divi dends, mak e profit s and pay the loa n back · a nd must have compl ete freedom to de• cide for themselv es. We do no t de• cide for them.

(3) I can give th at without any difficulty what soever. A ll i ndu stries that we can get here who have no difficulty in getting dollar capital we expect to do it with their own money. Now there may be cases from the Mainland and the U nit ed States where people starting the industry are not short of dollar capit al and are prepared to invest their own money. I may say, if my honourable and gallant friend does not mind, just a couple of weeks ago he and I, in Boston, had a long conference with a friend of his, a bus iness ma n from New York with regard to the possi­ bility of a pu lpwood mill.

Now that ge n tleman represents, I believe , su b­ stantial fin ancia l interest and if they should establi sh a pu lp mill in New­ found land I would rat11cr doub t they would need an y financial assist ance from the Newfoundland Government. Other people on the Mainland of Can­ ada and in the United States are negotiati ng with us and in •those cases I doubt very much whether •they will

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS 39 need any finandial assist ance, but there arc cases, most espec ially i n the United Kin gdo m and on the Conti n­ ent of Europe, where they just have not got the dollars, h ave not got any money to come ove r here to talk to us, they have •to go to their Govern­ ment and get their Govern ment to sell them enough dollars Lo pay their hotel bills when Lhey get here .

In such cases we say to them, Newfo und­ land is in terest ed in gelli ng indu strie s star-ted and if you come over to sta rt an industry in Newfoundl and we will welcome you if you will ,brin g your ma chine ry a nd equipm en t, stee l stru c­ ture and other •building material and land them in Newfo undland , how you do it is none of our business we are concerned only when you land •those things on Newfoundland soil.

When you l and them they have a certai n valu e and whatever the value is we will mat ch it with do llar loan s up to say a ten year loan , we will tak e a comp lete mortgage, a first mortgage on the whole of the asse ts of the comp an y which has to be a New ­ fou ndla nd Compan y, has to be incor­ porated within Newfou ndlan d and that Newfo undl and Company owns the property but the Newfou ndland Governm ent takes a mor tgage on everything as security for fina ncing the total cost of the indu str y. That is how they are to be financed.

(4) We have ind eed, but these generally are not written reports.

(5) We say to these new ind ustries, especia lly those of t hem tha t arc new to Newfoun dla nd, the type of indu s­ try that has neve r been h ere before, for exampl e, a cotto n textile mill, we say to s uch n ew type indu stry; you must have your experts, skilled, key techni cians, we have no t got t hem, we will allow you to bring to Newfou nd­ land your necessary key techni cians but we expect you at the tim e when you begin to operate as rapidly as possible to train Newfoundlanders to take even those jobs, the key technical jobs.

In the meantim e the regular emp loyme n t will be Newfoundla nders, in no case in these indu stri es will fewer than 90% o f the men or women empl oyed be Newfoundlanders.

(6) That will depend entirely up­ on the num ber of industries at the rate of ten p erce n t of a ll the em­ ploy ees being brough t in and 90% being Newfo undlanders, I would like to see five or ten or twenty thousand, that would give us a populat ion of far ove r a million people. I thi nk that answers the questio n as best I can. Orders o( the Day Adjourn ed debate on the Speech from the Thron e. MR. R USSELL: Mr.

Speaker, I want Sir, first o[ all to complim ent the two honourable gentlem en who mov ed and seconded that address, the one now und er disc ussion that an addr ess be drafted to H is Hon our in reply to the Speec h from the Throne. I genu inely, sincerely say ·that they deserve congratulation s bot h on the material and the mann er in which tha t material was presented . Before discussi ng the speech in some detail the re are one or two odds and ends l would like to clear up.

The h onou rable gen tleman on m y left told me on Wedn esday , at the time when the House ope ned that there was a n1m ouT o n the go, which was to the effect t ha t I was going to go back across the H ouse, bu,t that did not win the prize for rum ours -that day. The prize one was tha,t th ere is an h onou rab le gentl eman comi ng

40 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS down to start a new politica l party, what a ridiculous rumour! Anyway, the one about myself was ridiculo us, becau se, Mr. Speaker, I am personally willing to go over there any time at all, let there be no doubt al all, I do not set a lot of store on wbat side of the House I speak from. If I were Lo go over there now, I think, probabl y in Len or fifteen minutes they will like me but before I am finished, it would be get out, get over on the other side because there are times when I give credit where credit is due and times I must criticize. In other words, Mr.

Speaker, my mind is so that rather tha n carry ,the seat back and forth I may as well stay here because I am not going to carry it and if I bad it carried over there it ~vould have to be brought back and forth. Possibly the newspapers will call me indepe ndent but as far as I know I am still a Libera l and the attitude take n by me in this House on certain points seems Lo me Lo be in accordance with good Liberal prin­ ciples. I maintain the House of Assem­ bly is not ,the Lieutenant Governor lin Council and as much power as possible should be exercised by the House.

That is good Liberal ism. l have never said a nasty or unkind word to any member on any side even under ex­ treme provocat ion. There is not hing short of Liberal about that. l agitated and probably still will more during the probably short time that remai ns Lo me here for informatio n to be given the public. But the only thing I know to ask about new legislation is that sufficient information be given that I may be able to give a reason­ able decision as to wheth er or not I must vote for or against it. That is Liberal, so are the other thing s.

But, Sir, I do not take party allegiance too seriously as is far too well known; as far as I am concerned if the Premier is Smith and the Leader of the Op­ position, Jones, it is just as well to call them the "Smith" party and the "Jones" party because there is no party line a ny more even withi n parties. The present Govern ment is Liberal.

Very well, but some of their policies and some of their activities are as Tory as the Duke of Welling• ,ton ever was; as an example, the policy of assisting by loans to the fresh fish industry is a Tory policy tending more and more to concen­ trate power in ind ustry, into the hand s of a few,

whereas a cement mill being owned and perma nently about to be operated by the Gov­ ernment or a Crown Corporation is ocialism, between those two ex­ amples of Toryism, and I am not criticizing the fresh fish policy by saying it is Tory, as a matter of fact, probably history will show tbat the finest thing this Governme nt did was to assist the fresh fish industry. But between the two examples of Socialism and Toryism there is no doubt about it the present Liberal Governme nt once in a while are Liberal; they hit the beam as they go along and occasionall) ' must 1be Liberal but not most of the time.

So, Sir, I am not particularly inter­ ested in party lines or where I sit; this is a good a place as any to speak my mind. Jn deciding lo speak it there is certain ly one thi ng I must make clear, which I mentioned before. I would not say a word today in the House or anywhere else about public affairs if I felt by doing it I was go­ ing to discourage a single industry, a single indu strialist from coming here and making an effort to start one, but there is no good in telli ng me that there is a danger by talking blue ruin or a reasonable facsimile that I am going to discourage any