Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 23 March 2010 (46th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLVI No. 2)

2010-03-23

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 23 March 2010 (46th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLVI No. 2)

2010-03-23

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

March

23, 2010 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Vol.

XLVI No. 2

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Before we start regular proceedings, the Chair would like to introduce a new

Page who has joined us and will be working with the House of Assembly over the

next little while, Ms Avril Dymond.

Welcome to the House of Assembly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: The following members' statements will be heard: the hon.

the Member for the District of Port de Grave; the hon. the Member for the

District of Exploits; the hon. the Member for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair; the hon. the Member for the District of Mount Pearl North; and the

hon. the Member for the District of Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

The hon. the Member for the District of Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Recently, Ms Beverly Swackhamer of Bareneed was named as Newfoundland's

"gutsiest" citizen by the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of Canada. Beverly, who

lives with Crohn's disease, was recognized for her courage in facing

inflammatory bowel disease and her outstanding work to make a difference in her

community and in the lives of others.

Beverly is an exceptional leader, organizes many fundraising events and is a

top pledge earner at the Annual Heel "n" Wheel-A-Thon. She was instrumental in

the creation of the Trinity-Conception

Chapter of the Crohn's and Colitis

Foundation of Canada. She has served as president, works as a volunteer as a

Brownie Leader, as well as a Sunday school teacher.

The award honours Beverly for her enthusiasm in raising awareness in

Newfoundland and Labrador and for her outstanding work in raising funds for a

cure.

Mr. Melvin Nash, National Vice-President for Newfoundland and Labrador said,

and I quote, "It takes tremendous courage for people affected by inflammatory

bowel disease to speak out and make a difference."

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join me in congratulating Ms Beverly

Swackhamer on receiving this outstanding award, and wish her every success as

she continues to work on behalf of the 3,200 who live in Newfoundland

and Labrador with inflammatory bowel disease.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Exploits.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. FORSEY: Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure today to stand in

this House to recognize the contributions to sports in Newfoundland

and Labrador by Mr. Ron Healey.

Mr. Speaker, Ron was known Province-wide as a NAHA referee and well respected

by the players on and off the ice; however, Ron was not a person to back down

from a controversy. As a matter of fact, Ron could initiate a good debate off

the ice and could create the opportunity for a good fight on the ice.

Mr. Speaker, as a former councillor and member of the Bishop's Falls

recreation department, I had the privilege of working with Ron in his capacity

as recreation director for the town. It was during that time I realized the love

Ron had for all sports, especially for hockey, and always ensuring that the kids

had the opportunity to participate in many minor sports programs.

Mr. Speaker, Ron lived in Bishop's Falls with his wife Jeannette Sheppard and

their four children, but sadly Ron passed away January 1, 2010 at the age of

seventy-two. He was a long-time member of Sport Newfoundland and Labrador and an

inductee into the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members to join me in recognizing Ron's

accomplishments and his contribution to sport in Newfoundland

and Labrador.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse au

Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in the House today to congratulate the athletes from the community of

Cartwright who recently won the overall championship at the 2010 Labrador Winter

Games.

This year's Winter Games were the tenth annual running of the Olympics of the

North, which takes place every three years in Happy Valley-Goose Bay. There were

up to 400 athletes and community co-ordinators from thirty communities in

Labrador to celebrate the sporting and cultural heritage of Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, the competition is tight among many communities, but this year

the team from Cartwright came out on top with an outstanding performance. I

commend each of these athletes for their spirited effort and I would also like

to congratulate the team from Happy Valley-Goose Bay for their second place

finish and the Town of Mary's Harbour for their third place finish.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to pay tribute to two athletes from the

Cartwright team who had multiple medal wins and were named most outstanding

female and male athletes for the District of Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair. They

were: Andrea Pardy, who won gold medals in the snowshoe race and the snowshoe

biathlon, a silver medal in the snowshoe relay race, and a bronze medal in ball

hockey; and Preston Morris who won a gold medal in the snowshoe biathlon, silver

medals in the snowshoe race and the snowshoe relay race, and a bronze medal in

the northern triathlon and ball hockey.

Mr. Speaker, Cartwright was also named the Most Fit Community of the Winter

Games.

I ask all members of this House to join me in congratulating the team from

Cartwright, who are the 2010 Labrador Winter Games champions for this season.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Mount Pearl North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this hon. House today to congratulate the Frosty Festival

organizing committee and the City of Mount Pearl on celebrating the

twenty-eighth annual Frosty Festival this past February. I had an opportunity

yesterday to attend an event to recognize sponsors of this year's Festival.

It was a huge success, with most events this year selling out. Special thanks

are in order for the Frosty Festival Board of Directors, the sponsors,

volunteers, as well as the City of Mount Pearl, for contributing to the

Festival's success. This event has truly become a tradition in Mount Pearl.

Every year I personally look forward to attending as many of the Frosty Festival

events as I can. It is truly one of the best winter carnivals in Canada. It is a

great event for our community, our region, and our Province.

My hat goes off to Kelly-Ann Evans and her production company for producing

one of the best opening extravaganzas in Frosty Festival history. I am always

amazed at how the organizers manage to outdo themselves each and every year.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join me in congratulating the

Frosty Festival committee and the City of Mount Pearl on hosting another

tremendous winter carnival.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Fortune Bay-Cape la

Hune.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS PERRY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this hon. House today to pay tribute to Mr. Simeon Savory, who

sadly passed away last Tuesday, March 16. Along with his partner Bud Davidge,

Sim made history in the Newfoundland and Labrador music industry with their band

Simani. The songs they created for us include: Music and Friends, the Loss of

the Marion, Saltwater Cowboys, Heaven by Sea, Outport People, and the renowned

Mummers Song, along with numerous others that we all know and love to sing.

In 2008 the musical duo was honoured with a Lifetime Tribute Award for Music

NL, and in 2002 received the ECMA's Stompin' Tom award. Sim was a significant

contributor to our traditional music scene and helped pave the way for many

Newfoundland musicians who follow in his path.

An avid musician from youth, Sim played in a number of bands, the most recent

of which was Sim and Friends. During his time with Simani, thirteen albums, two

books and several television specials were accomplished, and he will forever be

a part of our cultural legacy in Newfoundland and Labrador. In the early 1980s

he established a recording studio in Belleoram and he was known to be very

generous with his musical gifts, often not charging a fee for his services. His

music has touched us all, brought back memories of special times, and has helped

to ensure that knowledge about our traditional rural culture will live on

eternally in his songs.

A loving husband, father, grandfather, mentor and friend, he will be deeply

missed by us all, especially those of us on the South Coast. My deepest

condolences to his wife, Evelyn, sons: Andrew, David and Philip, grandchildren,

family, friends and colleagues. Sim will never be forgotten because, in his

music, he has left a lasting source of joy for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians

throughout the Province and, indeed, across the country.

I am sure that all members of this hon. House want to join me in assuring

Sim's family and friends that we are with them in our thoughts and prayers.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. FRENCH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this hon. House today to note the success of Newfoundland and

Labrador's efforts to be a major presence at the Vancouver 2010 Olympic and

Paralympic Winter Games, and to bring the excitement of the games home to the

people of this Province.

The Olympics provided the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador with an

unprecedented opportunity to promote our Province's business and trade

opportunities, tourism, culture and cuisine on the national and international

stage, primarily through our partnership with Atlantic Canada House and, Mr.

Speaker, we grabbed that opportunity.

As you know, February 26 was Newfoundland and Labrador Day at the Olympics.

The attention we received at Atlantic Canada House and other venues that day -

and indeed throughout the entire two weeks - was certainly incredible. No doubt

the lineups outside Atlantic Canada House, rain or shine, had something to do

with Vancouver Magazine naming it one of the three "must see" pavilions at the

Olympics.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. FRENCH: We were also delighted that we could share the Olympic

experience with our residents through regional celebrations right here at home.

You may recall the success of the Olympic Torch Relay, which visited our

Province in November, and the enthusiasm it generated. Well, Mr. Speaker, that

enthusiasm hit fever pitch in Vancouver where more than ninety of this

Province's most talented artists and performers had the opportunity to showcase

their talent, and our culture, to new audiences.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, the entire Olympic experience was an opportunity to

show the rest of the country, and indeed the world, that Newfoundland and

Labrador has arrived - a strong, vital part of this country.

Mr. Speaker, I have no doubt our work in Vancouver, and during the Paralympic

Games in Whistler last week, will benefit this Province for many years to come.

I want to thank the Vancouver Organizing Committee, also known as VANOC, for

their help and support, and invite my colleagues to join me in congratulating

all those involved with ensuring the success of Newfoundland and Labrador's

participation in the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement. As they say: A

good time was had by all, I guess. The only downer was we heard that the

minister might have made off with Sidney's stick, but anyway they found it later

on the way to Russia.

Mr. Speaker, in all seriousness, congratulations to all of the athletes and

organizers who took

part in both the Olympics and the Paralympic Games, and our

Province was indeed highlighted on the world stage at those most prestigious

events. I am sure, given the level of excitement that was generated here even,

watching it on TV and on the newscast, it must have really been something to

witness in person on the streets of Vancouver and at the games themselves,

because there was certainly a high level of excitement in this Province.

We, of course, are second to none when it comes to talent and we had some of

the best talent in the world - not only this Province and this country, but in

this world - present there. The likes of Great Big Sea and so on, some of the

biggest high liners ever to come out of this Province were there - Ron Hynes and

people of that stature. It is great to see that we were indeed showcased there.

Not only the musical talents, of course, the storytellers and musicians, but we

had our culinary students there as well from CONA who provided some delightful

treats, I understand, to the good people who went by Atlantic House.

Congratulations to all of those who took part. In fact, we had a member of

our staff, Mr. Matt Pike who works in the Opposition office; he, in fact, led

the opening ceremonies. When the Aboriginal youth group entered the stadium that

night, he was the person who actually led them in. You probably did not

recognize him - he was in his costume at the time, his Aboriginal costume - but

he, in fact, led in the youth group.

Congratulations to all, and I thank the minister for his statement again.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I too thank the minister for the advance copy of his statement. It truly was

something for us to celebrate as Newfoundland and Labrador. I call on the

minister now, though, in the spirit that he carried when he was in the Olympics,

and I know he believes in this, that I would like to see the department now

create continuing initiatives, in the spirit of the Olympics, tying together the

promotion of sports with personal well-being and health.

Young and old were very excited watching the events of this year's winter

Olympics and we need to build on that. While gold medals are exciting, the

promotion of physical activity, especially in winter, can only benefit everyone

in the Province.

In the past, we have had medal winners in both Olympic and Paralympic games

who have been role models to the people of this Province of the benefits of

physical activity. I hope the example of the athletes of this year, but also our

own Olympic and Paralympic gold medal winners in the past will inspire both

future athletes and everyday citizens to pursue physical fitness.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

The hon. the Minister of Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to inform hon. members of Labrador's premier sporting

event, the Olympic of the North, the Labrador Winter Games, which took place

earlier in March. These games brought together athletes, team leaders, and

excited fans from all over Labrador. They showcased Labradorians' love of the

outdoor lifestyle and celebration of culture and traditions while presenting

some of the most spirited competition this Province has to offer.

The Government of Newfoundland and Labrador is proud to be the primary

sponsor of these games, investing $500,000 towards their successful planning and

execution. The Board of Governors, the Labrador Winter Games staff, and some 500

volunteers are to be commended for their triumph over the uncharacteristic warm

weather.

Mr. Speaker, I was pleased to see my colleagues, the Minister of Aboriginal

Affairs, and the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation, attend the opening

ceremonies; an electrifying event where, for the first time in four years, teams

from twenty-five different communities came together to open the games. It was a

special moment in time when Labrador's own poet, artist, songwriter and

performer, Gerald Mitchell, took to the middle of the stadium and, under the

light of hundreds of flashlights, sang the classic Sons of Labrador .

Mr. Speaker, one of the most highly anticipated and entertaining spectacles

was the Labrathon, a high-paced event that detailed a traditional outdoor

lifestyle. A competitor raced around a 500-meter track to separate locations,

where they had to start a fire, boil water, complete a target-shoot, cut through

a log using non-powered hand tools, set a trap and create a fishing hole using

an ice chisel, all while wearing snowshoes and towing a toboggan with gear

weighing some thirty pounds. This event was won by Bradley Rumbolt from Mary's

Harbour.

There were many feats of athleticism showcased over the course of the games.

Some of those recognized included: Tanya Daley and Rick Kennedy, most

outstanding female and male athletes for Lake Melville district; Holly Andersen

and Trent Pottle, most outstanding female and male athletes for the District of

Torngat Mountains; Danielle McLaughlin and Mike Brookes, most outstanding female

and male athletes for Labrador West; and Andrea Pardy and Preston Morris, most

outstanding female and male athletes for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair district.

Mr. Speaker, I extend congratulations to the community of Cartwright for

winning the overall event and taking home the Labrador Cup, and congratulations

to all of the athletes, volunteers and staff who made these games a great

success.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am certainly pleased to rise and speak to the motion that has been tabled

by the minister, and I thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement.

Mr. Speaker, the Labrador Winter Games has become one of the premier

showcases for Labradorians. It is not just a celebration of our athletic ability

but also the celebration of our culture, of our heritage and of who we are as

people. It is one of the few events that bring Labradorians together from one

end and one region to the other, and this year was no exception.

I had the opportunity to attend both the opening and closing ceremonies and

attend a number of the events that went on throughout the week including the

Labrathon, as the minister just mentioned, which was quite a spectacular event.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, the gold medal winner of that event, Bradley Rumbolt, is

in fact my brother, and he is almost as nifty as what his sister is, I say to

the minister. He not only broke the record from the previous games, Mr. Speaker,

but he set a new outstanding record to be met by other competitors at these

games over the next few years.

Mr. Speaker, I want to mention that both the bronze, silver and gold medal

winners of the Labrathon all set new records at this Labrador Winter Games and

it was Leon Jacque of Postville, Barry Dyson of Cartwright, and, as I said,

Bradley Rumbolt of Mary's Harbour.

Mr. Speaker, I also want to mention a couple of other communities that I

think are noteworthy. One was Mud Lake, who won the most improved team award for

this Winter Games, one of the smallest communities in Labrador but yet chose to

participate and have a team. I want to mention the community of Pinsent's Arm, a

community of fifty-five people with no gymnasium, no recreation centre but had a

team and had one of their athletes bring home a silver medal to that community.

I think that is remarkable. This is the kind of competitors that we have, the

kind of dedication and commitment that they show to these games. There are so

many other examples, Mr. Speaker, but I know time does not permit me to go on,

but over the next few days I will have an opportunity to talk about these issues

in the House of Assembly so we can celebrate the wonderful fine athletes that we

have in Labrador.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I am obviously not from Labrador - and I thank the minister for the advance

copy - but we all have to celebrate and congratulate our colleagues in the House

from Labrador, and the people of Labrador, with regard to the wonderful

achievement that the Labrador Games are. We all should celebrate what is

happening there, because we have a real celebration of Labrador's culture and

history. I did not make it, and some day I think I have to go up there and be

there for the Winter Games in Labrador. I did make it to the opening of the

Newfoundland and Labrador Winter Games on Saturday in Grand Falls-Windsor, and I

could see the spirit that the athletes were bringing from Labrador to the

Newfoundland and Labrador Winter Games.

It is wonderful that our government does support these sporting events. It is

very important that that happens because this investment, both in the Labrador

Games and the Newfoundland and Labrador Games, is an investment in our people,

is an investment in our communities, and it is an investment in health -

something I have mentioned already in the former statement that I responded to.

We have facilities that continue to need to be funded and supported, and I

encourage the government to continue doing that. Again, I refer to last Saturday

when I was in Grand Falls-Windsor and saw the Windsor Stadium and the way in

which it has been upgraded and renewed. That is the kind of thing we need to

keep doing, because these events, both in Labrador itself and here on the

Island, are so important for our future.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Over the past couple of weeks, both the Premier and the Minister of Health

have launched attacks on the Province's doctors. The minister even brought

forward conspiracy theories that the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical

Association was supplying the Opposition with information and subsequently

cancelled negotiations. I say shameful behaviour when we are trying to improve

the health care system in this Province.

I ask the Premier today: In light of your government's damaged relationship

with the Province's doctors, are you willing to send these negotiations to

binding arbitration and if not, why not?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Mr. Speaker, first of all, let me answer the question

very directly. Under no circumstances are we prepared to send this matter to

binding arbitration. You will see from the Budget next week and the Minister

of Finance will indicate that we are going to run a deficit. We consider the

people's dollars to be very, very important dollars and regard every one very,

very carefully. We want to make sure that they are spent properly.

The paramount concern for all of us is patients, and patient care and health

care for patients. On that basis we were certainly prepared to enter into

reasonable negotiations with the doctors, and have been prepared to do so, and

have had discussions with them. Negotiations last week the meeting that was

cancelled last week was because of the volatile circumstances that were going

on, that were precipitated by the NLMA when they tried to throw a smokescreen at

the entire negotiations by indicating that the minister had made a statement

which they felt was untoward. So, on that basis we felt it was not appropriate

at that time to continue on with that particular meeting. We have since phoned.

I understand, I believe, our negotiators phoned this morning to continue those

negotiations and, as I understand it, that offer was flatly rejected by the

NLMA.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is my understanding that the Newfoundland and

Labrador Medical Association had submitted a proposal

to government. They are awaiting a response from that proposal not necessarily

a phone call, but a written response into what government's position is.

I ask the minister today: Why has that response not been forthcoming from you

and your Administration?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We have been having discussions with the NLMA over a period of time. The

matter has moved along, obviously not as quickly as I think either side would

like, but we did ask the NLMA to put their proposal in writing. We received

their proposal on March 3, and we have taken that proposal and we had it costed

and we have had it reviewed, and the costing is somewhere in excess of $126

million to $140 million.

In the meantime, the NLMA, the doctors want to have another meeting to

provide us with additional information concerning coverage for ICU. That meeting

was set up for last Friday. A representative from collective bargaining and a

representative from health were to attend and meet with the doctors'

representative. The meeting was cancelled, and today I called to try to get the

meeting rescheduled but the doctors indicated to me that they did not want to

have the meeting rescheduled. Instead, they have asked us to respond to the

letter of March 3, and in due course we will do so.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

On what is a very serious issue that has unfolded in the Province, the

department received a proposal from these doctors on March 3, today is March 23

and there has been no response given to them in writing.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier today - because we now have a copy of the

proposal that was submitted to government and it was released this morning by

the NLMA. I ask the Premier - because in your comments last week you said that

the proposal they had submitted was through the roof, it was too high, it cannot

be dealt with, it cannot be satisfied and it cannot be answered. Well, the

proposal that we certainly looked at today does not fit that description.

I ask you: Which of these particular aspects of the proposal do you feel

characterizes your comments?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: I forgot to say over the moon, Mr. Speaker, because

that would have been one I would have used, too, if I had to think of it at the

time.

These proposals, as the minister has just indicated, have been costed at, at

least $125 million on an annual basis, probably as much, if we add all the

incremental items, as $140 million to $150 million; a significant amount of

money. If you remember correctly, the last arbitration that the medical

association went to, I think they were awarded $54 million. You can take that by

comparison; it will give you an indication of the order of magnitude of what

they are asking for now.

I will tell you one item that they are asking for; they are asking for some

of their physicians to be reimbursed partially for overhead that occurred during

the last agreement. I think that is pretty unreasonable.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, the other thing that these physicians are asking

for is Atlantic parity with their colleagues in the three Maritime Provinces.

I ask the Premier: Is this a concept that government is prepared to accept

and negotiate on?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, as I say, negotiations have been going on. We

have their written proposal. We have had it costed. We have reviewed I think

there were ten or eleven asks in the proposal outlined in the letter. We were

asked to hold off until such time as this meeting with respect to ICU took

place. The meeting has not taken place. I called today to try to get the meeting

rescheduled. They have asked us to respond now to the letter without having that

meeting, so we will respond in due course.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, there are two very distinct sections within the

NLMA proposal that relate to doctor recruitment and retention which goes with

improving our health care services and also ensuring a doctor is available at

all times to address patient concerns. These are very fundamental proposals that

are necessary to improve our health care system.

I ask the minister: Why have you dismissed such a serious proposal without a

comprehensive negotiation, going twenty days and not responding to this when you

realize that these are the critical components of the proposal that is on the

table?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I just said to the hon. member that

discussions have been taking place and we were asked not to respond to the

letter until such time as that further meeting had taken place. So we are not

delaying. Discussions will take place, they will continue, and we will negotiate

a deal that is fair to all concerned but on behalf of the taxpayers of the

Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, we are losing doctors in various regions of this

Province in almost every speciality, and unless government is able to change its

negotiating tactics this will continue. Yesterday, we learned that the hospital

in Clarenville will be without an internal medicine specialist for the next ten

days.

I ask the minister: What concerns do you have about the increasing gaps in

this service? It is not the first time it has incurred; it has been a problem

for the last two years. I ask: What is being done to ensure that doctors are

recruited and these positions are filled?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In fact we have, in 2010, Mr. Speaker, nineteen family practice residents

finished their medical training, with two delaying their entry. Of the seventeen

family physicians, Mr. Speaker, who will commence practice, fourteen are

practicing in this Province, all with bursaries and return-in-service

agreements. Twenty-seven specialists, Mr. Speaker, finished their medical

training, with two residents delaying their entry due to maternity, sick leave.

Of the twenty-five specialty residents to commence practice, seventeen are

practicing in the Province, nine of whom have bursaries and return-in-service

commitments.

So, Mr. Speaker, fourteen out of seventeen, I do not know the exact number

but it has to be between 80 per cent and 90 per cent, and then seventeen of

twenty-five - again, I will have to ask my colleague, the Minister of Finance to

do the calculation, but they are very high numbers. Obviously, Mr. Speaker, the

market adjustment policies, the bonuses, the bursaries, everything is working

and we are keeping doctors in this Province, contrary to what the Liberal

Opposition says.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister might want to tell that to the people in Burin today who are

supposed to have three internal medicine specialists but they only have one; the

people in Clarenville who are now going to be without one; the people in

Carbonear who recently lost an internal medicine specialist. Mr. Speaker, we

know that there is a shortage of nearly 125 general practitioners in this

Province today.

So I ask you, Minister: What plan do you have to ensure that these gaps are

lessened and that we have good negotiations with our doctors so that we can

recruit people to this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We currently have - as of September, 2009 1,042 physicians in active

practice, our most ever. In the last eighteen months, Mr. Speaker, we have a net

increase of fifty-three physicians. We currently offer bursaries, Mr. Speaker,

of $25,000 a year. We have forty-one family medicine residents, seven psychiatry

residents, and twenty-eight residents in other training programs, with a

one-year return-in-service agreement. We have retention bonuses, Mr. Speaker,

weighted toward rural and isolated areas, up to three years incremental, Mr.

Speaker, $36,000 for three years added on to their salary in a lump-sum

non-pensionable payment. Mr. Speaker, we have an $18 million expansion of the

medical school, and we will increase our undergraduate class size from

sixty-four to eighty. We have a provincial physician recruitment office. We are

currently, Mr. Speaker, in negotiations with the physicians.

Again, we have difficulty recruiting individual positions and physicians but

overall, Mr. Speaker, we are doing quite well. The doctors, contrary to what the

Opposition says, are quite happy with (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Well, that is of little comfort for the people in Burin, I say

to you, Minister. It does not change the fact that these vacancies exist in our

system and gaps are still there.

Mr. Speaker, I stand here with great sadness to question the minister on why

air ambulance services in our Province have failed the people of Labrador again.

A man who was severely injured from an industrial accident in Labrador West died

while waiting for an air ambulance to arrive.

Why, after all the previous incidents, are the people of Labrador still

waiting unacceptable times for air ambulance medevacs?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

On October 9, I became Minister of Health and Community Services. On November

27, I flew to Labrador, met with the councils in Lab West, met with the council

in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, met with two families who were severely affected by

air ambulance issues. I indicated in this hon. House in early December that we

would conduct a review of the air ambulance.

I appreciate the petition provided by the Leader of the Opposition with the

3,000 residents of Labrador asking to have services in Labrador. We have a

consultant, Mr. Speaker, who has conducted a review. That review is completed;

we will be releasing that review in the near future.

Mr. Speaker, I heard the host of Open Line today say there should be air

ambulance in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Deer Lake and St. John's, and I also heard

the Member for The Straits & White Bay, or

PREMIER WILLIAMS: White Bay North.

MR. KENNEDY: White Bay North - phone in and say it should be in St.

Anthony. We are looking at it, and again I ask we have two planes - to the

Leader of the Opposition, where should they be?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I think the minister needs to put his head around the fact that it is not

about changing out services in air ambulance; it is about adding services to

meet the need and meet the capacity in the Province.

Mr. Speaker, the CEO of Labrador-Grenfell Health stated that the original air

ambulance was out of service - I have no idea why; maybe the minister can tell

us that - however, the chartered aircraft used as a replacement had to recharge

the on-board oxygen service and the medical team had to return to the Health

Sciences Centre to retrieve medical equipment.

I ask the minister: Why wasn't an air ambulance ready to go in this Province

at a moment's notice with a medical team on standby, with oxygen on board, ready

to respond to an emergency?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Mr. Speaker, I have indicated in the past that the air

ambulance is a very serious issue. I have met with the families who were

affected, and the emotional impact of meeting with those people was quite

significant on me. Again, Mr. Speaker, my sympathies to the family in Labrador

West.

The air ambulance did not work as it should, Mr. Speaker. It is the reason

that we are conducting the review and looking at where we should have our planes

located. I am advised, Mr. Speaker - and so far some of the comments by the

Liberal leader are accurate - the plane in St. John's was down. It is a 1990

King Air as opposed to the 2008 King Air that is in St. Anthony right now. A

King Air airplane, Mr. Speaker, costs approximately $8 million and there has to

be the crew to go with it. So we certainly have to improve.

I have made a commitment to the people of Labrador that we will look at

improvements. I can assure the people of Labrador, Mr. Speaker, that we take

this very seriously and that, in due course, we will be making a decision and

addressing their needs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We are happy to know that the minister is going to investigate this incident.

We were somewhat taken back that the decision to do this did not come until

yesterday, which was four or five days after this incident in Labrador West;

however, Mr. Speaker, I think answers need to be provided as to why this air

ambulance was not available and not ready to go at a moment's notice.

I ask the minister: In cases where our provincial air ambulances are tied up

and in use in other parts of the Province, why is it that there is not a Plan B

that is readily available to respond to these emergencies?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Yes, Mr. Speaker, there is a Plan B, but unfortunately it

did not work as it should in this case. The air ambulance in St. John's was

down. I am still waiting for an explanation as to why the air ambulance in St.

Anthony was not utilized. It is my understanding it was in the air. So then, Mr.

Speaker, there is a charter company that we have on call. That charter company,

Mr. Speaker, was advised around 8:00 o'clock that their services would be

required. The gentleman in question went into the hospital in Labrador, by my

notes, at 2:45 p.m., Mr. Speaker, and it was around 6:10 that a request for an

air ambulance came in.

There was an hour lost, as the Leader of the Opposition has indicated, Mr.

Speaker. There was an hour lost as a result of having to return to obtain

equipment from the Health Sciences Centre. The unfortunate reality, Mr. Speaker,

is that the charter aircraft which was utilized took an hour longer to fly to

Labrador West than the King Air normally would.

Again, these are issues that are of concern. We have conducted a review as to

where air ambulance should be situated in this Province, Mr. Speaker, and we

look at all alternatives to make sure that not only the residents of Labrador

but all of the residents of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, including

the residents of Western Newfoundland, are well served by air ambulance.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I ask the minister today: In light of the fact that the review is ongoing

into provincial air ambulance services, and the need has been identified that a

third air ambulance service should be based in Central or Western Labrador, are

you prepared to enter into a standing offer contract to have an aircraft based

in Labrador immediately to respond to any air medevac services that would be

required until this particular issue has been ironed out?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Mr. Speaker, the review of the consultant has been

completed. We will be reviewing the same and making our decision over the next

short period of time as to the location of air ambulance services in this

Province. There has been no decision made, Mr. Speaker, that a third air

ambulance is required in this Province. If the hon. member opposite remembers

our discussion on this in December, I had indicated that the flight statistics

showed that there were more flights coming out of Deer Lake than there were out

of St. Anthony, and that there were more flights coming out of Labrador than

were coming out of St. Anthony.

Mr. Speaker, I can assure the Leader of the Opposition that this decision

will be made shortly, but anything that we have to do right now to ensure that

proper services are provided to all residents of this Province, steps will be

taken and addressed immediately.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I have heard the Minister of Labrador Affairs talk about

meetings he has had with international stakeholders around 5 Wing Goose Bay. In

fact, in The Labradorian newspaper yesterday he said he was on top of

this file and expecting to hear good news. However, Mr. Speaker, the NATO

exercise that the minister was so excited to see come to Goose Bay has gone to

the United States.

Will the minister inform the House as to why 5 Wing Goose Bay is not going to

receive this NATO exercise, and instead it has gone south of the border,

obviously without his knowledge?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, again the Leader of the Opposition only gets half of the facts

straight half of the time. Let me explain to the hon. members in the House

regarding 5 Wing Goose Bay. There was a NATO exercise planned for Happy

Valley-Goose Bay, for 5 Wing Goose Bay this summer. It was put together quickly

by the NATO General, General Brady. Goose Bay was looked at for close air combat

support. We travelled to Ottawa last week, myself and the hon. Minister of

Intergovernmental Affairs; we spoke with the Minister of National Defence, along

with the British High Commissioner, as well as the Embassies of Germany and the

United States.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer and to do it now.

MR. HICKEY: Mr. Speaker, what is happening in Happy Valley-Goose Bay and

at 5 Wing Goose Bay this summer is that work will be continuing on the

expenditure of some $1.9 million to improve hangars seven and eight and there

has been a commitment on behalf of NATO that this exercise will take place next

year and future years until 2016.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The only thing, obviously, that Happy Valley-Goose Bay got out of this is

that the minister got a trip to Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, this is a serious issue. In fact, back in December, I had one of

the researchers in my office e-mail the minister and respectfully ask for an

update on 5 Wing Goose Bay. This is the response the minister sent back to my

researcher - an intelligent, intellectual response, Mr. Speaker. I quote. He

says: 5 Wing is alive and well. You need to grow up, and don't e-mail me any

more.

This was the response, Mr. Speaker, from the minister of one of the most

important

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

If the hon. Leader of the Opposition has a question, I suggest she pose it

immediately.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have a very important question, but first of all I was going to say, this

was the

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member to pose her question or sit down.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I ask the minister: On the heels of that intellectual response, what does

this mean for 5 Wing Goose Bay and NATO training going in to 2011, which we all

know (inaudible)

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Labrador Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Mr. Speaker, let me say this to the hon. member: This

government, under this Premier, has supported 5 Wing Goose Bay more than any

provincial government in the history of this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Let me say this to the hon. member across: Your answer should

be going to the Liberal Member of Parliament, Todd Russell, who is up in Ottawa;

that is where your questions on 5 Wing Goose Bay should be going, I say to the

hon. member.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HICKEY: Let me say, just to answer your question, Mr. Speaker, all is

alive and well, I can tell you, at 5 Wing Goose Bay. We still have 350 people

working at the base, and I can tell you with the improvements that are going to

be made this year, on hanger seven and eight and the PTA, I can tell you we have

a bright future. Our glass, as the Premier said yesterday, is half full not half

empty.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for the District of The Straits & White Bay North.

MR. DEAN: Mr. Speaker, the fishery represents the heart and soul of rural

Newfoundland and Labrador and unfortunately it is a very troubled industry on

the brink of collapse. Everyone concerned about the fishery is looking at the

MOU as a way forward for this industry. In fact, many of the constituents in my

district have been asking about the progress of this framework agreement.

So, I ask the minister: Will he update the people involved in the industry

when they can expect to see some significant results in this process?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I advise the Opposition to probably follow the media a little bit closer,

because if they would have they would have seen a sequence of steps that have

moved this process along quite expeditiously. This process started last July;

Ministers Dunderdale and Hedderson met with fisherpeople and instituted it. In

the fall, Request for Proposals was called. On December 17, a letter was

written; on December 30, a meeting with both sides and government. On January

22, reports were received back; February 15, presented to Minister Shea - and,

Mr. Speaker, I see you are going to rise, so I will answer the question.

Mr. Speaker, all of these dates have been released to the media. Right now,

Mr. Speaker, the working groups are meeting and I would expect that within the

next month or two we will have some further information.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for the District of The Straits & White Bay North.

MR. DEAN: Mr. Speaker, the federal government is a major stakeholder in

this industry and they have not been meaningfully involved in the process; yet

they will be deemed as essential to its success.

I ask the minister why the federal government is not at the table, and what

is this government's plan to get the federal counterpart there?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Mr. Speaker, there is no doubt about it, the federal

government has to be a partner in this, but I would suggest to you, Mr. Speaker,

to the Opposition and the people of the Province, that before we can expect that

the federal government would get involved, we have to have the parties in the

Province who can come to some sense of agreement and some sense of direction.

I am hoping, Mr. Speaker, that through this MOU process, that is what will

happen. Once we come out of this process with a strong package, then we have

something that we can take to Ottawa and we can say we fully expect you to be a

partner in this restructuring or what comes out at the end of that process.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, since May 2007 the people of this Province have had their

confidence shaken in our health care system. Since this government has been

elected they have created an enormous health authority which provides the major

portion of tertiary care in the Province, and they have had six Ministers of

Health. Mr. Speaker, we now have the current minister saying that Eastern Health

Authority is too big.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier: When will he admit that government made a

mistake in forming these large, unmanageable regional health authorities?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for her question, but I do

not remember saying that Eastern Health was too big. We have four health boards

who administer the day-to-day operations of the health authorities. As the

minister, as pointed out by the Leader of the Opposition yesterday, the minister

has an oversight role. We are, Mr. Speaker, dealing with a $2.6 billion budget.

Approximately $1 billion or $1.2 billion of it goes to Eastern Health, but

Eastern Health is also responsible for the tertiary care unit, Mr. Speaker, and

also approximately 300,000 residents of this Province. Then we have Central

Health, which covers a vast geographical area and is responsible for

approximately 70,000 people, Mr. Speaker. We get to Western Health, again, a big

geographical area and approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people. Then we get

Labrador-Grenfell, which is dealing with 30,000 people.

So it would seem to me, Mr. Speaker, that the - Eastern Health is big by its

very nature, but I think that four boards certainly serve the purpose. We are

ironing out the kinks, Mr. Speaker, and we move along. H1N1 was an example of

how we work. Government worked with all the health authorities to do what had to

be done.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill-Quidi

Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I advise the minister to go over the footage of when he stands before the

media, because I think you will find at one scrum he said at least three times

that perhaps it is that Eastern Health is too large. So I suggest that he go and

look over his own footage and see what he says in front of the media.

Mr. Speaker, the government keeps throwing numbers at us and impresses upon

us everything that they are doing with regard to our health care, the money that

is going into machines and buildings, which has to be done because of the fact

that the infrastructure has to be kept. The issues in our health care system are

much greater than creating the adequate infrastructure. Mr. Speaker, without

constructive leadership this Province will be unable to attract or even retain

the medical staff needed to engender the confidence that I am asking for.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier: When will his government do what they were

elected to do and work responsibly with the health care professionals to create

an efficient health care system the public has confidence in?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

One of the things that I have done as minister in my short tenure is to

identify priorities. In mental health and addictions, Mr. Speaker, we have sent

out approximately $430,000 to various groups working with people to affect and

help change their daily lives.

Today, Mr. Speaker, I was over at the Health Sciences where we dealt with the

December. January we met with the Coalition of Persons with Disabilities. Myself

and the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment got to work on the

matter, and today, Mr. Speaker, it was heartwarming to listen to the President

of the Coalition of Persons with Disabilities outline what this government has

done right, how we have dealt with all issues that have been requested, Mr.

Speaker.

When we talk about health professionals, I have already gone through the

numbers of how we have recruited and retained individuals, but we are now in the

middle of negotiations and we know that during negotiations things are going to

be said and done. Mr. Speaker, I can assure this hon. House and the people of

this Province that our concern is for the patients of this Province and the

efficiency and effectiveness of our health care system, and that is what we will

continue to work for.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The time allotted for Questions and Answers has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Notices of Motion.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As per

section 63.(3), I table the following private member's motion to be

debated tomorrow:

WHEREAS the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical

Transportation Assistance Program assists residents financially in accessing

medical services; and

WHEREAS the Medical Transportation Assistance Program current criteria did

not sufficiently provide the financial support for its residents who must travel

to avail of medical services in our Province; and

WHEREAS residents of Newfoundland and Labrador have to incur substantial cost

in order to access medical facilities in major centres; and

WHEREAS changes are required to the Medical Transportation Assistance Program

in order to lessen the financial burden at a time that is often difficult and

stressful for patients and their families when accessing health care services

both inside the Province and outside the Province; and

WHEREAS a petition with over 7,300 signatures was presented to government on

December 4, 2008, asking for changes to the Medical Transportation Assistance

Program;

THEREFORE

BE IT RESOLVED that the House of Assembly call upon government to

make changes to the Medical Transportation Assistance Program, namely to

reimburse gas and mileage for the use of personal vehicles; to add meal per

diems for those staying with family and friends; to increase overall rates to

reflect the true financial burden; to include coverage for those taking

part in

clinical trials; to waiver the $400 deductible faced by those who live on the

Island portion of the Province, and increase the reimbursement of eligible

costs.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further notices of motion?

The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, just to speak on the motion that was put forward

under

section 63 of the Standing Orders,

section 63.(3) indicates that the

motion put forward for Private Members' Day - it reads, "On the Monday before

the Wednesday of the week in which a Private Member's motion is to be debated".

Just because it was done on Tuesday as opposed to Monday, I am not sure if I

heard when the Leader of the Opposition stood to speak to this motion, but we

acknowledge that it was not on Monday, and whether or not leave was asked for,

we certainly would have no problem with it. I just want to clarify that we are

accepting the motion, by leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Further notices of motion?

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate the opportunity in this

section of the House to again present a

petition on behalf of the residents of Southwestern Newfoundland with respect to

dialysis services in that area. As anyone in this House is familiar with, I

think I have gone through something like six different Ministers of Health in

the last number of years here. The only

section of this Province right now that

does not have a satellite dialysis services is the southwest corner of this

Province. Whether you are in Burgeo, Port aux Basques, Burnt Island, Isle aux

Morts, anywhere, it is the only

section of the Province that does not get

provided with some kind of dialysis service. We have been at this - this is my

sixty-seventh petition in this House asking for some help for the people of

Southwestern Newfoundland, who travel a minimum of over 200 kilometres to try to

get this help.

As I say, I have asked previous ministers. The most recent step, just so that

the people who watch this are aware of the processes taken place since we were

last here before Christmas, I have been advised that the report was compiled in

Western Health between Dr. Charles L. LeGrow health people personnel. They gave

it to Western, and Western has forwarded it to the minister. I have written to

the minister, as of a couple of weeks ago, to ask him if it is possible at all.

There is not a lot involved from a budgetary perspective to do this. They

basically needed the physical place to do it. They have confirmed that the

physical facility is available at the Dr. Charles L. LeGrow Health Centre to do

it.

They also had concerns about the staff that were required to do it. The staff

at Charles LeGrow in Port aux Basques have agreed to undergo whatever training

is necessary in order to provide that service. It is not like you are going to

train someone and they leave. I think something like 95 per cent of the nursing

staff in that area were born there, live there, still live there, work there and

intend to finish out their careers there. You have the facilities to do it in;

you have the nursing staff who are prepared to do it. The people of the area are

prepared to fundraise, if necessary, to buy the equipment. We have raised

millions of dollars in the past in Southwestern Newfoundland and provided it to

Western to use for other necessary medical equipment. We are certainly prepared

and committed to raise the funds to do it ourselves.

We submit there is no reason why one particular area of the Province should

be treated in this fashion. It has gone on for years and years. I have a

gentleman named Mr. Keeping - anybody who has listened to the Open Lines has

heard him on there religiously, morning, noon and night - talking about how he

travels from Burnt Islands. He is not a wealthy man. In fact, he cannot work

because he needs dialysis so regularly. He does not know what it is to take a

vacation, for example, because he needs dialysis regularly. The cost it takes

him to go from Burnt Islands three times a week into Corner Brook - and you can

imagine the stress it is not only causing him but his family, and that is just

one gentleman.

I pledge to the people of my district, I will keep this matter on the front

burner. There is no question, by the way; this is the primary, the number one

priority for the people of that area, no question. Yes, you need roads; yes, you

need educational systems, but first and foremost is your health. Number one is

your health care, and in this particular case, as we see, there are several

people we have, for example, lost residents in that particular area because

they just could not sustain the stress any more of living at home where they

wanted to be with their families. They have had to take apartments hundreds of

miles away just to get the use of this service.

Mr. Speaker, again I bring it back here. I have written to the minister, and

hopefully we will see something positive in this Budget which is due to be

delivered next Monday. I do not think, in the massive Budget that we have, $8

billion, to ask this for the people of one particular region is not a big ask,

as we say, to get this done. We have the facilities to do it. We have the

personnel to do it. It is a matter of putting your mind to it and saying we are

going to get this done.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Further petitions?

Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, from the motion paper, Motion 2. I move, seconded by the hon.

Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board, for leave to introduce a

bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000. (Bill 3)

Mr. Speaker, I say that the bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded that the hon. the Minister of

Finance shall have leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Amend The

Income Tax Act, 2000, Bill 3, and that this bill be now read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that the minister shall have leave to

introduce Bill 3 and that this bill be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board to

introduce a bill, "An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000", carried. (Bill 3).

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000. (Bill 3)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 3 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 3 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 3 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the hon. Minister of Justice

and the Attorney General, for leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To

Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991. (Bill 4)

I further move that the said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded that the hon. the Minister

of Justice and the Attorney General shall have leave to introduce a bill

entitled,

An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991, and that this bill be

now read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that the minister shall have leave to

introduce Bill 4 and that this bill be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Justice and Attorney General to introduce a

bill, "An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991", carried. (Bill 4).

CLERK: A bill ,

An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991. (Bill 4)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 4 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 4 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 4 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I move, seconded by the hon. Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation, for

leave to introduce a bill entitled,

An Act To Provide Liability Protection On

Portions Of Pedestrian Trails. (Bill 5)

I further move that the said bill be now read a first time.

MR. SPEAKER: It is properly moved and seconded that the hon. the Minister

of Tourism, Culture and Recreation shall have leave to introduce a bill

entitled,

An Act To Provide Liability Protection On Portions Of Pedestrian

Trails, Bill 5, and that this bill be now read a first time.

Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 5 be now read a first time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

Motion, the hon. the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation to introduce

a bill, "An Act To Provide Liability Protection On Portions Of Pedestrian

Trails", carried. (Bill 5)

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Provide Liability Protection On Portions Of

Pedestrian Trails. (Bill 5)

MR. SPEAKER: Bill 5 has now been read a first time.

When shall Bill 5 be read a second time?

MS BURKE: Tomorrow, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Tomorrow.

On motion, Bill 5 read a first time, ordered read a second time on tomorrow.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MS BURKE: Mr. Speaker, I would like to call from the Order Paper, Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury

Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform the House that I have

received a Message from His Honour the Lieutenant Governor.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

All rise.

The letter states:

As Lieutenant Governor of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, I

transmit a request to appropriate sums required for the Public Service of the

Province for the year ending 31 March 2011, by way of Interim Supply, and in

accordance with the provisions of

section 54 and 90 of the Constitution Act,

1867, I recommend this request to the House of Assembly.

Sgd.:__________________________

John C. Crosbie, PC, OC, ONL, QC

Lieutenant Governor

Please by seated.

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

MR. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Health,

that the Message, together with a bill, be referred to the Committee of Supply.

MR. SPEAKER: The motion is that the Message, together with a bill, be

referred to a Committee of Supply and that I do now leave the Chair.

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt this motion?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

The motion is carried.

On motion, that the House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole on

Supply, Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Committee of the Whole

CHAIR (T. Osborne): Order, please!

We are considering the related resolution and Bill 2,

An Act For Granting To

Her Majesty Certain Sums Of Money For Defraying Certain Expenses Of The Public

Service For The Financial Year Ending March 31, 2011 And For Other Purposes

Relating To The Public Service.

Resolution

"That is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the granting to Her

Majesty for defraying certain expenses of the Public Service for the financial

year ending March 31, 2011 the sum of $2,398,481,900".

CHAIR: Shall the resolution carry?

The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It is my pleasure and my duty as the Minister of Finance and the President of

Treasury Board to lead this debate on Interim Supply and, as we all know, I

guess this is the third time I have had an opportunity to speak in this

particular debate. As we all know, before this House of Assembly can raise

revenue or spend revenue on any purpose, it all has to be voted upon and

approved by the elected representatives of the people in this House of Assembly.

So what we do is that the permission to spend money, the main Supply bill,

the Budget bill, will allocate the funding and the appropriations for the entire

year, but that debate takes a period of time. The Budget will be brought down

next Monday, on March 29, and it will be debated for about seventy-five hours

and we will all have a chance to take

part in that debate.

In the interim, on April 1, a new year starts. The fiscal year of 2009-2010

will end on March 31, at which time the government runs out of money for that

year, and since there has been no Budget passed, there is no new money for the

new year that starts on April 1. So, the first thing we do after the Speech from

the Throne, normally in a new session, and this is pretty standard practice, the

Minister of Finance will present to the House Interim Supply in order that we

can have some money to pay our bills for a three-month period from April 1, the

start of the new year, to June 30 - pay the bills, send out the cheques until

such time as the Budget is passed.

Mr. Chair, when I was preparing for this last night I noticed the message.

You notice when I first stood up I said I had a message from the Lieutenant

Governor. I have done that and I have never looked into the reasons for it. It

is set out in the Constitution, it is set out in

section 54 and in

section 90

the Constitution Act of Canada that says we cannot bring in a bill for the

passage of money unless it is first authorized by the Lieutenant Governor. That

message was presented and the Speaker just wrote the message.

We are looking at both a resolution as well as a bill. The resolution:

Be it

resolved that it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the granting

of Her Majesty - in other words the government - for defraying certain expenses

of the Public Service for the financial year that is going to end March 31, 2011

the sum of - and just listen to this - it is $2,398,481,900. It is quite a lot

of money for a three-year period. In the bill, which I will call the Interim

Supply bill, it is called the Interim Supply Act, 2010. It is from out of the

Consolidated Revenue Fund, there will be issued by the Minister of Finance and

President of Treasury Board that sum of money, that $2.4 billion of money, and

the sum so issued shall be paid and applied by the several heads of expenditure

in respect of the financial year for the period from April 1, 2010 to March 31,

2011 towards defraying the charges and expenses of the Public Service of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

At the back of the bill is a

schedule and the

schedule sets out the various

heads of expenditure. As I said, they total $2.4 billion - and I will not read

them all and other Cabinet ministers are here today and they will be able to

answer questions and take

part in the debate on the spending in their respective

departments. I noticed the biggest one is Health and Community Services; the

amount is $835,886,500. The next biggest is Transportation and Works and that is

for the amount of $521,598,300. The third largest one is education, which is

$435,305,700.

As I said, it takes time to debate this. The amount of the $2.4 billion, it

represents about 34.3 per cent of what was spent last year, in the year

2009-2010. That was the Budget for that year, the budgeted Current and Capital

Account, the Gross Expenditures, and it is going to provide the departments with

sufficient cash flow dollars to manage Current and Capital Expenditures, as I

said, for the three month period, April 1 to June 30 of 2010. In some of the

accounts, as is normal, more than one-quarter of the Budget is required to

provide for those items that will be need to be expensed early in the year, as

well as to provide for the calling and the awarding of tenders and the

encumbering of funds.

There is a 7 per cent increase being requested in Interim Supply this year

over the amount that was asked for last year. Last year the amount was $2.2

billion. So the amount is up by 7 per cent. This increase is therefore

approximately $163 million. It includes provision for increased infrastructure

spending, annualization of 2009-2010 Budget decisions. Now the annualization

means, of course, that sometimes when a program is brought in for the first

time, it might be brought in, in July, it may not be brought in until October;

therefore the amount of money needed last year was only for six months, or three

months, and of course this year that same program will operate and the funding

will be needed for the twelve-month period, and that is what we mean by

annualization. Also, there are salary increases and there is other growth in

program. It will also include funding for six pay periods, and ongoing project

and funding requirements that are applicable to the upcoming fiscal year of

2010-2011.

Mr. Chair, this bill needs to be passed on or before March 25 so that

government can process the cheques, including income support cheques, which have

to be mailed across the Province, and to get to our rural parts of the Province

and to meet the government's payroll obligations for April 1, 2010. As I said

earlier, Mr. Chairman, on March 29 I will table the Estimates of Expenditure of

the main Supply Bill, the Budget Bill, and I look forward to the debate at that

time.

Mr. Chair, prior to this time we had pre-Budget consultations. We do that

every year. The Minister of Finance goes around the Province and conducts

pre-Budget consultations. I was pleased to have the opportunity to do that again

this year. I visited a number of communities. We began in Corner Brook on

January 15 and we concluded with two sessions here in St. John's on February 17.

One of the things I wanted to do as Minister of Finance was not stick with

all of the same places each time. I like to vary it a bit. Obviously, there are

certain centres that expect the Minister of Finance to show up. This year we had

sessions, in addition to Corner Brook and St. John's, we had them in

Stephenville, we had them in St. Anthony, Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Lab City,

Marystown, a new location this year was Bonavista. Another new location this

year was Springdale. We had them in Clarenville, Gander, Grand Falls-Windsor,

Carbonear and St. John's. There are some places that I never got to that I was

hoping to get to, and I can say that if I am in this position in the future I

would like to get to the South and North Coast of Labrador and I would like to

get to Port aux Basques. I have never had an invitation to come down to

Channel-Port aux Basques. I listened to the Opposition House Leader talk about,

in his petitions, things that he needs and the number one priority for the

people of Port aux Basques, and I have listened to what he has had to say.

The people of this Province, Mr. Chair, in my view, value very much having an

opportunity to tell the government directly what their priorities are but every

year we see people in the media say: oh, it is a waste of time, that the Budget

is already done and that we are wasting time or we are wasting the people's

time. It is not correct, Mr. Chair. I can assure you that it is not correct. We

always learn new things when we do these Budget consultations and they are very

helpful.

This year the consultation I found in Bonavista and Springdale, which were

new communities for me to attend, were very, very helpful. I found the session

in Springdale most helpful. I have a totally different well, the messages I

heard in Springdale I think were different from what I heard in any other

community and it was very, very interesting and I am glad I was there. I heard

many good discussions and government can continue to - as we emerge from the

recession and plan for a brighter tomorrow, there were also discussions on the

investments in Budget 2009.

I was pleased to see that the people of this Province were very proud of the

vision of the Williams government and were very supportive of the investments we

have made to date. You only have to look at the recent public surveys just to

see how pleased people are with the exceptional work that is being done, led by

the Premier of this Province.

Mr. Chair, our government in particular was commended for its unprecedented

investment of $800 million in the infrastructure projects. The business

community commended government for its continued fiscal management and business

investments and practices. In Labrador, residents and organizations requested a

continued investment in transportation and infrastructure and health care. Our

investments in health care and education were applauded, $2.6 billion in health

care, $1.3 billion in education. Our commitment to rural Newfoundland was

acknowledged and appreciated. What is very important is that 80 per cent of the

infrastructure strategy - 80 per cent of the money in the infrastructure

strategy was spent in rural Newfoundland.

Mr. Chair, for this year, like last year, we have made the decision, from a

public policy point of view, that we will run a deficit this year. That is a

deliberate and conscious decision taken by the government. We are doing that for

good reasons, because it is uncertain at this point whether the recession is

over and whether economic recovery will get some traction. The federal finance

minister, Minister Flaherty, has indicated that yes, there is economic growth

but that it is very, very fragile. It is very tepid. Other economic commentators

are saying that economic growth will be flat.

Many of the banks economists, some of whom I met with in Toronto, while

acknowledging that the recovery was starting, that the economy had stopped

contracting and that the economy was starting to grow, mentioned one thing above

all, that the outlook is uncertain; that the outlook was uncertain and the

degree of certainty was still high. I was very pleased to see the Leader of the

Opposition yesterday say the same thing. She said that the economy was

uncertain, economic growth was uncertain, and because of that we now have to

make a conscious decision. Will there be growth or will it be fragile? Will it

be flat? If we do not know I think we have to err on the side of caution, and we

have to continue to stimulate the economy to ensure that there are jobs and

opportunities provided for the people of this Province.

Mr. Chair, the dollar continues to be very, very high. The economy in the

United States - there is high unemployment in the United States. On a

proportional basis, they are losing jobs. They have lost three times the jobs

that we have lost in Canada, and they are our main customers. If Americans are

not working, they do not have the revenues and they do not have the cash to buy

our products. We have seen that in this Province. We have had lots of great

success in the oil sector; great success with the nickel and the new facility

being built in Long Harbour, but what about in rural Newfoundland? What about

our forestry? Our forestry has been hammered. The newsprint industry has been

hammered. The fishing industry has been hammered. They are hammered by the

recession in the U.S., the recession in Europe, and the high dollar.

So if we are going to protect rural Newfoundland, which is what we want to

do, the investment, the only demand that is taking place in that area is

government spending. We spent a major infrastructure strategy, $800 million

budgeted in this year's Budget, and 80 per cent of that money is spent in rural

Newfoundland. If we slammed on the brakes now, if we listened to those who say

that we should not run a deficit right now that means they want us to raise

taxes. Well, let those who say we should not have a deficit, let them tell us

what taxes they are going to raise. That will slam the brakes on economic

growth.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Those who do not want us to run a deficit, the only other

option is to cut spending, but if we are going to cut spending then we cannot

come up with money for new satellite dialysis units. If they want us to cut

spending, if they want us to go back to a balanced budget then tell us what they

want us to cut spending on because that is the choice? Raise taxes or cut

spending, both of those policies, right now with a fragile economy, are wrong.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

CHAIR: Order, please!

Order, please!

MR. MARSHALL: This is a time not to slam on the brakes; this is the time

to keep the momentum going. This is the time to stay the course, to stay on

course and to stimulate the economy, as I said, to provide jobs and

opportunities to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians and to provide jobs and

opportunities in particular to the people of rural Newfoundland.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: That is what we are going to do, and I am going to bring

down a Budget on Monday that is going to provide jobs and opportunities to the

people of Newfoundland and Labrador.

We cannot, until we know for sure that the economy has gotten traction

right now it is fragile. Right now the growth is uncertain. Right now the dollar

is high. Right now the American market is low, the European market is up. Even

in China - a potential new customer I just read yesterday that an economist at

Harvard and a couple of hedge funds were predicting that the economy of China

was in a bubble and was about to collapse. The signs of uncertainty are there,

so we cannot take the chance -

CHAIR: Order, please!

I remind the hon. member that his time for speaking has expired.

MR. MARSHALL: By leave, just to clue up?

CHAIR: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

CHAIR: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board,

by leave.

MR. MARSHALL: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I thank colleagues for allowing me leave to end my remarks, to clue up.

In looking at it, what do we do? If the economy is uncertain, if we are not

sure, if we are not sure there is going to be economic growth, if we are not

sure the economy is going to have traction, then we have to err on the side of

caution and we have to keep the momentum going. We have to move forward, we have

to invest, we have to invest in rural Newfoundland ,

and if that means running a deficit, then so be it.

Over the medium term, we will get back to balance as the economy grows. When

there is economic growth there is return and there is traction in the economy,

we will get back to growth, but we cannot just slam on the brakes. We cannot

just put that pressure on the economy now. That could drive the economy back

into recession and we certainly do not want that.

So, Mr. Chair, I look forward to hearing my colleagues taking

part in this

debate and I urge the passage in due course of the Interim Supply Bill.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

CHAIR: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MS JONES: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I am certainly happy to rise and speak to the bill on Supplementary Supply

today. A very important bill, Mr. Chair, as it is the funds that pay the people,

the public servants of this Province, it pays for the services that every

Newfoundlander and Labradorian enjoy each and every day, and, of course, it is

appropriate that those particular allotment of funds are always done and made

appropriately.

Mr. Chairman, I listened intently to what the Minister of Finance had to say

in his remarks. I certainly want to recognize the fact that he has taken the

time - an initiative that was started by his predecessors - to travel around the

Province and to hold consultations around the Budget.

What was notable this year, Mr. Chair, is he did not bring the clock. The

clock that he usually used to take - formerly when he was the Minister of

Finance that he would put up on the wall and he would tell you how many

minutes the deficit was racking up in the Province -

MR. MARSHALL: No, the interest on the debt.

MS JONES: The interest on the debt, Mr. Chair, was racking up in the

Province. Of course, that became a bit of an issue for those who like to blog

and the columnists in the Province as they made the comparison of those

individuals sitting in the room watching the money of the provincial Treasury

tick away, at the same time, Mr. Chair, they were trying to ask the minister for

some new services, new infrastructure and new pay raises. So it was somewhat of

an intimidating experience, I say to the minister, and I guess after seeking

higher counsel from those in the field that he must have decided to drop the

clock and leave it at home. Mr. Chair, we have seen a little bit of a different

consultation this year, no doubt about that.

Mr. Chair, I think those particular sessions are very worthwhile. In fact, I

attended a number of them myself over the years and certainly had my staff

attend many of them around the Province because it does give people an

opportunity to bring their messages directly to government in terms of what they

want to see in the Budget. It gives them the opportunity to shape how government

investment and spending is made and also an opportunity to make suggestions on

where cuts can be made. So, Mr. Chair, it is a good exercise from that

perspective. The results of that exercise is only ever seen when the Budget

itself is tabled in the House of Assembly, to see if government actually

listened to what these people had to say and really give careful consideration

to the initiatives and the proposals that they were putting forward.

So, we will see on Monday, Mr. Chair, March 29, as the minister stands in his

place and brings down again one of the largest revenue budgets in the Province,

and to tell us how big the deficit is going to be this year.

I say that because I think that is one of the most discouraging pieces that I

see in all of this. We went, in this Province in a six-year period, from running

the Province on revenue of $4 billion a year in 2003 up to nearly $8 billion

this year, Mr. Chair, in revenues in the Province. Last year we were a little

shy of it, this year we may be down a little bit more only because we have seen

some downturn in the mining industry and the oil and gas industry, so our

revenues probably did not get to the forecasted levels or the actual levels that

they were a year ago.

Having said that, Mr. Chair, we have seen our budgets, our revenue double in

this Province, but over that six-year period, we had a government that could not

manage the expenditure of the Province within that budgetary process. They are

running deficits, Mr. Chair. Running deficits for the second year in a row. The

same Administration who, at one point, said that they would like to bring in a

law. The same government who said they would like to bring in a law that they

would have balanced budgets in this Province, but yet, Mr. Chair, they are

unable to balance the Budget at the time when we have the largest revenues ever

in our history in the last few years.

Now, Mr. Chair, that is a very important point - a very important point -

because we are looking at a six-year term that this government has been managing

the finances. They have seen the finances doubled. They have spent those

finances as they went to the point that they are running a deficit again this

year.

Mr. Chair, I think there needs to be an explanation for that; I honestly do.

I think at a time in this Province when we are able to achieve some of the

strongest returns on revenue that we have ever seen in our history that is a

time when we really need to ensure that we can live within our means. What

happens because the minister knows as I do how volatile this environment is

that we live in. We have already seen in the fishing industry alone in the last

year - the minister will confirm this. We have seen, I think, a 22 per cent drop

in the value, Mr. Chair, in our industry this year alone. That tells you how

volatile things can be.

Look at previous years, when we were forecasting barrels of oil to be much

higher. Then all of a sudden we saw it drop, drop, drop and continuously drop to

the fact that we knew the revenues were going to be impacted. Look at what is

happening now in our mining industry. We do not know, on any given year, what is

going to be the circumstances around the economy on a worldwide basis and how

that is going to impact us. So therefore, Mr. Chair, we have to be more cautious

and careful in terms of how we manage our annual expenditures.

We know and we realize that this government did increase their program

spending annually by 8 to 10 per cent over the last number of years. We are not

saying that was not necessary, and we are not saying that should not happen,

because in fact, Mr. Chair, if you go back through Hansard what you will find

out is I probably stood in this House and asked for most of it. Mr. Chair, what

I did not ask for is I did not ask for the people's money to the tune of $200

million and $300 million to be invested in equity shares in the oil industry.

Mr. Chair, we are investing today in equity shares in the oil industry and we

are running a deficit in this Province to do it. That is the legacy. We are

running a deficit in this Province today in order to invest in the equity in

that industry.

So, Mr. Chair, the minister wants to talk about where we should have saved

money that is one of the places we could have saved money and balanced the books

this year. That is just one suggestion.

Mr. Chair, what this government has not done is they have not faced up to

some of the real challenges that have existed within the Province, especially

within our health care system. We, today, Mr. Chair, spend more per capita on

health care per patient of any other province in the country. We spend more

money per person, realizing that some of that has to do with our geographics and

the fact that we are spread out. When you look at somewhere like Hamilton,

Ontario, Mr. Chair, they might have one operating room. We have to have

hospitals all over this Province.

So I realize that there are some differentials that come into play. Having

said that, Mr. Chair, we still spend the most money and we get the worst

results. We get the worst results. In fact, last year we were dead last in terms

of our health care targets and how our money was benefiting the people of this

Province when it came to health care. Guess what? This year, we improved a bit.

We are number three in the country now. We are third from the bottom in terms of

how our investment in health care is actually servicing the people of the

Province.

Mr. Chair, government needs to face that reality. They need to face that

reality. Their approach so far has been, when there is a problem in health care,

we will run in, we will rush in, we will try to fix it, we will throw money at

it and we will run back out. Guess what? It is not fixing anything. It is not

fixing anything. The failure to listen to the people who work in the system, the

failure to make the investments in the proper and appropriate places is not

building a stronger health care system for the people of the Province.

Mr. Chair, there are a number of ways - and the minister knows this - that

you can save money today in health care in Newfoundland

and Labrador . First of all, Mr.

Chair, one of the groups out there that is offering suggestions to do just that

is personal care home operators. A group, Mr. Chair, that the Premier agreed in

2002 in a letter that if he became the Premier of the Province and formed the

government that he would indeed meet with them, that he would indeed champion

their issues, because he understood their issues. Well, guess what, Mr. Chair?

This is 2010 and they cannot even get a meeting with him over that period of

time. This is a group of people today who have invested their own money in this

Province to care for our seniors. They deserve to be listened to. They have

ideas as well. They have ideas on how they can care for our seniors at a lot

lower cost than is occurring right now in some cases. Many cases where we have

our elderly people who are in hospital beds who have nowhere to go. We cannot

take them out of those beds because there is no level three facility to put them

in or long-term care facility. So they are costing us hundreds and hundreds of

dollars every day in a hospital and tying up beds that other acute care patients

could use. Is that not reason enough to listen to the ideas of others out there

in the Province who believe that they might have a solution, believe they might

have a solution to help alleviate some of that demand, Mr. Chair, that is

occurring, some of that congestion that is happening in our hospitals today?

Let's talk about the home care program. Let's talk about the people that are

prepared to care for their elderly people at home. Mr. Chair, there is a

financial difficulty for many of them because they have to give up their jobs.

They have to give up their jobs to stay home to care for a child that may be an

adult child with disabilities, may be a spouse who has some degenerative

diseases or just because they have a parent or grandparent that is elderly, and

therefore, Mr. Chair, they have to give up their jobs to stay home to provide

that care, or they have to put them in one of those long-term care facilities in

the Province at a cost of $2,500 to $3,500 a month to the taxpayers of the

Province, but they would be glad to stay home and care for those loved ones and

individuals if they were able to receive some form of income to support

themselves in doing it. Many of them now, they cannot afford to give up their

jobs, even if it is a minimum wage job, because they have to be able to support

themselves financially and independently. That is another option that government

can look at.

Our wait lists; I talked about this before, Mr. Chair. I talked about it

before, patients who are admitted in the hospitals around this Province who are

waiting to have cardiac tests done, dye tests, other kinds of heart tests at the

Health Sciences Centre. I know many cases in my own district where patients have

had to stay in hospital in St. Anthony up to four and five weeks, taking up

space in a hospital bed until they could get medevaced down to St. John's to get

a test done that was going to take about an hour or two to have done. Mr. Chair,

we paid to have that person in a hospital bed every single day for five weeks so

they could get that one day, two hours at the Health Sciences to get a test

done, only to be released the next day and sent home. In fact, I have gone and

picked up some of these patients myself and taken them to the airport after

waiting five weeks, they had one day here, had one test done and they were sent

home. Now, Mr. Chair, there is something wrong with a system that functions like

that, something significantly wrong. If you want to save money, you ensure that

these tests are being provided in a shorter possible time. You make sure that

there is enough beds to accommodate those patients because the problem is they

cannot bring them in from the hospital in Corner Brook or in Grand Falls or in

St. Anthony or in Port aux Basques or in Burin to get this test done, because

they do not normally have bed space to be able to hospitalize them if the need

is there. That has been the single, largest barrier in getting these people

through the system.

The minister wants some suggestions on how he can look at reforming some of

these things and saving some money and developing a better system for people at

the same time. Well, these are some ideas for you minister. You can start with

stop putting the equity money in the oil industry; $60 million to drill a hole

in the ground up off Parsons Pond to find out if we actually are going to find

anything there. Mr. Chair, this is the kind of gamble -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

CHAIR: Order, please!

MS JONES: This is the kind of gamble that the minister and his government

is prepared to take, but today we have doctors who are resigning, leaving this

Province and looking at other kinds of job action because a proposal that was on

your desk for twenty days where they are looking for $80 million; $80 million to

keep doctors in this Province -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

CHAIR: Order, please!

MS JONES: - and keep services in this Province. Mr. Chair, they failed to

see the importance of that, but in 2002 they did not fail to see the importance

of that because I have quotes, Mr. Chair, from the Premier in every kind of

press release and every kind of news release in 2002 when the Newfoundland and

Labrador Medical Association was out negotiating another contract, in which he

was saying that patient care is going to be at risk if this is not sorted out

and that government should get back to the table with the Newfoundland and

Labrador Medical Association. He says that government's attitude towards

physicians in the Province has contributed to the breakdown in talks. Does this

sound familiar, Mr. Chair?

CHAIR: Order, please!

MS JONES: Does any of this sound familiar?

CHAIR: Order, please!

I remind the hon. member that her time for speaking has expired.

MS JONES: Mr. Chair, by leave, to clue up.

CHAIR: Does the hon. member have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

CHAIR: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition, by leave.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

These are the comments of the Premier in 2002 when he was standing in this

position in the House of Assembly as Leader of the Opposition, in which he

thought that the entire system was going to be at risk because of what was

happening between the doctors and the government. He felt there should be

meaningful negotiation. He felt that the breakdown in discussion and the war of

words was not helping the situation.

Well, what have we seen from the members opposite in the last few days? We

had a Minister of Health who was out inflaming the decision, infuriating doctors

in this Province into a position to take some kind of job action. Not sitting

down and negotiating, not sitting down and trying to work out a deal. In fact,

Mr. Chair, called off the negotiations because in his mind he thought there was

a conspiracy. He thought they were actually leaving information to the

Opposition.

Mr. Chair, there is lots more to come and I will certainly have many other

opportunities to stand and speak to this issue and I will certainly be taking

advantage of it.

Thank you.

CHAIR: The hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Thank you.

Mr. Chair, I see that the Leader of the Opposition - she is going to be right

back and we will have an interesting debate. She does not want a deficit, and

let's talk about the ways we can eliminate a deficit. Number one, we can cut

spending. Of all the things we are doing out there to provide opportunities for

the people of the Province; of the things we are doing in health care; of the

things we are investing in R&D to create jobs based on the knowledge, economy

for the future; of the things we are doing in aquaculture; of the things we are

doing in forestry, she wants us to cut funding, get back to a deficit. That is

the worst economy policy that we could have right now. The worst thing we could

have right now is slam on the brakes, bring the economy to a real stop and go

back into recession again.

Mr. Chair, the other way of getting rid of a deficit, if that is what the

Leader of the Opposition wants to do, then she has to raise taxes. So tell us

what taxes she is going to raise. We have lowered taxes. We have removed people

at the low end of the income scale totally from the Newfoundland and Labrador

tax rolls. They pay no taxes at all. We have given our seniors a low income

seniors' benefit. We took them from $400 to just under $800. We did it for

couples and then we did it for widows and widowers as well. We put money in

people's pockets to help people pay their bills, to attract people who earn,

have big incomes and pay big taxes. We need skilled tradespeople here. We need

people in the medical profession here. They make large incomes. It is not the

total salary they look at; they look at what they can bring home. We have to be

competitive to attract those people here because we need them.

Now, Mr. Chair, it is very interesting to get a lecture from the Opposition,

and in particular the Liberal Party of Newfoundland and Labrador on deficits,

because they have been in power - I do not know how many years the Liberal Party

has been in power in this Province. It is probably what, thirty-five, thirty-six

years? In all of that time they have not had deficits in only two years, and my

understanding is that when they did have a balanced Budget they kept the books

in three different ways. They had three sets of books in order to manufacture

this so-called deficit.

Our government has been in office for six years. We have had balanced

Budgets. We have had surpluses in four of those years and that is the way we

want to be so that if you run a surplus you can use some of that surplus to pay

down your debt because our debt is the heaviest in the country. When the economy

is slow, when the economy is bad, when the outlook for economic growth is

uncertain, when the outlook for economic growth is fragile, when economic growth

is flat, when your major customers' economy is dropping, when another potential

customer is facing possible, major adverse economic consequences, when the

dollar is high, when your main industry is in the rural parts of your Province,

like fishing and newsprint, and forestry are dropping, then we have to be very,

very careful and we have to ensure that if the private economic investment is

not out there than government has to step in. That is what we did in the

recession.

The Leader of the Opposition yesterday, she talked about unemployment going

up. Well, unemployment does go up in recessions. That is what happens. In

recessions the economy contracts, businesses close, people lose their jobs. That

is why we have to step in. If business is not investing, if there is no

investment, if people are not creating new jobs, we have to step in. That is our

role when the economy is not working, and we are proud to do it and we have to

continue to do it.

Now, I want to use the time that is left here to speak about the doctors.

Now, Mr. Chair, it is my role as Minister Responsible for the Public Service

Secretariat to negotiate a collective agreement with the doctors' association,

and the person who occupies the position of President of the NLMA, that is the

Newfoundland and Labrador

Medical Association, it is that person's responsibility and it is Dr. Brendan

Lewis from Corner Brook, who I know. It is his responsibility to negotiate a

collective agreement on behalf of his association. So he and I have a duty to do

that.

Now doctors, apart from collective bargaining, will be dealing as well with

the Department of Health on issues of policy, health policy and operational

issues, but it is I fail to see that if there was a difference of opinion with

respect to a threat of clinical chiefs to not go on, or to resign, that we have

to separate that. That should not stop the collective bargaining process. That

process can and should continue.

As I said earlier in Question Period, we asked the doctors to put their

proposal in writing. We have had lots of discussion going on back and forth. We

have asked the doctors to narrow down their asks, to tell us in writing what

their proposal was, and we received that on March 3. There are, I think, ten or

eleven items in there. We have costed those proposals, as I said earlier, and

the doctors did in fact ask for another meeting in order to explain in more

detail to us a portion of their asks relating to coverage for intensive care. As

I said, that meeting was set for Friday. It was scheduled for last Friday. There

were some discussions with health. The meeting got cancelled. We cancelled the

meeting. One meeting not collective bargaining, that one particular meeting

was cancelled. The doctors interpreted that as being a cancellation of all

meetings, which was not the case. I understand the Minister of Health called Dr.

Lewis last Friday night or last Thursday night and said that was not the case.

Yet, the doctors wrote a letter the following morning saying that collective

negotiations could not go on and that they wanted binding arbitration, but

collective agreements can go on; negotiations can go on.

So, today, I had my officials call the NLMA to try to reschedule that meeting

that the doctors had asked for. The response that I received was that they did

not want the meeting to go ahead now and they wanted a response. They asked for

a response to the letter of March 3.

So, we have and we will review the various asks that were said on that

letter. As I said, we costed the amount of what it is going cost us, and we will

respond to those doctors. I would encourage the NLMA, let's get back to the

table, let's continue with the negotiations, because I think we are all

concerned about patient care, we are all concerned about health care in this

Province. The collective agreement negotiations are about negotiating an

agreement that is fair to the doctors and that is fair to the taxpayers to the

Province. I would encourage everyone to continue those negotiations in good

faith and to let's reach an agreement and carry on.

So with that, Mr. Chair, I will take my seat.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

CHAIR: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. KELVIN PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I appreciate an opportunity to have a few words here in Interim Supply. We

have been out of the House for a while, so it is going to take a little bit of

getting used to again, I guess, speaking, and get our vocal cords all tuned up.

I am not sure exactly how long we are going to be here, but this process is

one whereby, of course, it is called Interim Supply, meaning that we do not yet

have the Budget - the Budget is going to be delivered next Monday by the

Minister of Finance who just finished speaking. This is a bill whereby the

government needs some money to get the expenses of the Province paid for,

because even though the Budget comes down Monday, of course, it will not be paid

for Monday. It might not actually get it passed and approved by the Legislature

until some time in May.

That is a couple of months out, so the question is: How does the government

pay the bills from April 1, which is the beginning of the government year, until

the Budget gets passed? So we have this thing called Interim Supply, which we

are dealing with today, which basically, once it is passed, gives the government

enough money usually about one-third or so of the Budget to take them through

until the actual Budget gets passed, and that is what we are doing here.

It is a money bill - there is no question. Sometimes we get issues here of

what you can and cannot talk about, but when you are on a money bill, it is a

pretty wide latitude. You might not necessarily be talking only about the bill.

You might be talking about anything that concerns your district, anything that

concerns the Province, or anything that you think is of interest and the people

of the Province may in fact be interested in hearing about. You have certain

avenues, of course, to inform the people of what is happening in the Province,

particularly when it comes to being in Opposition. Oppositions do not have all

of the media access and so on, and the wheels that they can grind when it comes

to getting the message out. Governments do have access to the resources to do

that, but Oppositions use the House time as an opportunity, particularly when it

comes to money bills, to discuss some of these issues. When we are in the fall

session, it is the legislative session, we tend not to be able to be as broad in

scope and range as our comments we would like to be because you must restrict

your comments to the legislative agenda that you are dealing with usually. We

have seen examples in the past where we have tried to stretch that as far as

possible and the Speaker of the House brings us in to line and says: No, no,

restrict your comments to the legislation. The government always does - they do

not like for us to wander off course because we, as an Opposition, then might

bring up some things that they do not like to hear about.

That brings me to the comments of today. This is the first Question Period we

had today - and I think the people who watched it today and the people of the

Province, they were observing. I always use my good friends Joe and Martha who

are very observant of what has been happening in the House here, but today, I do

not know if it was a sense of apathy or a sense of arrogance that I saw from the

government. In fact, it might have been a little bit of both, it depends on who

it was coming from, and I will expand upon that a bit now as to where I am

coming from.

For example, we had some questions of the Minister of Fisheries and

Aquaculture today and it was about the MOU, which is out there now between the

FFAW, the seafood processors and the provincial government trying to get some

answers as to where we would go in the fishing industry as we move forward. A

very straightforward question from the Member for The Straits & White Bay North:

Why aren't the feds at the table? The minister got up and gave an answer. He

said: Well, we think we are going to figure it out ourselves first, amongst the

three of us here, and then we will ask the feds if they want to come to the

table.

Now, I say in all seriousness, where does one think one is going to get with

that type of approach? We are going to figure it out amongst ourselves and then

we are going to let the federal government know this is what we have done, are

you going to get on board with this? That seems like a backwards approach to me.

Here is the federal government that controls all of the quotas that happens in

this Province. Every quota that ever any of these processors or FFAW are going

to have anything to do with is controlled by the federal government and they are

saying: We will wait until we figure out ourselves what we are going to do and

then we will go ask these people if they want to get on board. Now I do not know

how much time the government seriously believes that our fishing industry has.

Some would have you believe that it is on life-support right now.

So let's go through the process provincially; then we will go talk to our

federal cousins. By the way, one must remember the toxic atmosphere that exists

between this Province and the federal government for starters. You are going to

take that approach which is going to be a bit time consuming because, first of

all, these three bodies have to get their heads together before we even get a

draft plan to ask the feds to dinner. Then we have that relationship that exists

between our government and the federal government and we are going to go ask

them how we are going to deal with it.

So that is one thing about the approach to it, but of course when I talk

about the arrogance it was a certain backbencher - I am not sure if it was a

backbencher or a minister. While that discussion was going on between the

questioner and the minister a backbencher said: Go ask Jerry Byrne! Go ask Jerry

Byrne! Now that is the kind of input we get from government members here. A

serious question gets asked questioning the approach of the minister, the

minister got up, gave his answer - no question about his answer, no problems

with his answer, but it comes back to attitude again. The attitude of the

government - I am not sure if it was a minister or a backbencher, I do believe

it was a backbencher who said: Go ask Jerry Byrne! Now that is the kind of input

that government members have into this most serious issue involving our fishing

industry when you ask a serious question. Now I do not know if you would call

that apathetic or if you would call that arrogance, but either one, I would say

we have a problem with some government members if that is the extent of your

contribution to such a serious issue.

We saw it again today in Question Period when the Leader of the Opposition

was asking questions of the Minister for Labrador Affairs. We already know from

commentary recently that he did not show up to the Combined Councils. She

pointed that out yesterday in her response to the Speech from the Throne. Today,

she asked him questions about 5 Wing Goose Bay. I think first when she said 5

Wing, he could have only thought she was thinking about Mary Brown's or

something because I am sure he had no idea what she was talking about. Now it

has always been said that his only responsible for two or three files, and it is

pretty obvious that he does not have much knowledge about what is going on in

the 5 Wing Goose Bay file. He sits pretty near to the Minister of

Intergovernmental Affairs, so he certainly can get all of the information that

he wants. He tells us that he was up in Ottawa as recently as last week, but

when you listen to his answer it shows just how shallow and empty his answer

was. But more telling was the comment again of a government backbencher, when

that question was being asked, who said: Go ask Todd Russell! Go ask Todd

Russell! Again, I do not know if that is an apathetic response or an arrogant

response, but either one of them, I would suggest, do not bode well when it puts

a face on this government, shows and reveals the attitude of this government -

Don't ask us! We do not have the answers. That is their way of deflecting from

trying to give a substantive answer - Go ask Todd Russell! Well, I suggest it is

not the role of Todd Russell, the MP, to answer that question. The question was

asked of the minister: What do you know about 5 Wing Goose Bay because

apparently you said one thing in The Labradorian yesterday and today we

have a different story. He gets up and gives a wishy-washy answer which reveals

just how much or how limited his knowledge is.

That is the kind of stuff we start off this session with. That is the kind of

things that the people of this Province are going to witness if they watch this

TV channel, watch these proceedings, because we will be taking every opportunity

as an Opposition to show that this government is just not about glossy press

releases and news conferences, that if you look a bit deeper, if you peel back

the layers of the onion, if you listen very closely you will see exactly what

the true attitude is of some of the government members and some of the

ministers. People will, no doubt, start to take notice. Don't ask us. We do not

know. Go ask the federal member.

Mr. Chairman, I will take my leave at this point because my time is up for

this speaking opportunity, but I certainly have more to say and I will be back

in due course with more commentary.

Thank you.

CHAIR: The hon. the Minister of Business.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

It is my pleasure today to stand in this House and speak for a few moments

about Bill 2. Before I get into the substance of Bill 2, I just want to make a

couple of comments. As I listened the Opposition House Leader stood up and

gave an overview of what we are dealing with here now in Supplementary Supply,

and talked about the intent, but he also talked the latitude that this House

takes. It does not need to be focused on necessarily the topic at hand, but in

Interim Supply and money bills in this House we take some liberty to talk about

issues that may affect our district, that may affect other parts of the

Province, but it is always important, Mr. Chairman - relevance is one thing, but

you need to be focused and you need to be accurate in your commentary, and I

think that is always something that we are mindful of in this House.

When I reflect for a moment on the Opposition Leader, the Leader of the

Liberal Party stood in this House a few moments ago and she asked a question.

She said that the people of Newfoundland and

Labrador need an explanation of what this government is

doing. They need an explanation of what it is they are spending their money on.

The second thing she says is we need to live within our means. I say, Mr. Chair,

how hypocritical. How hypocritical of the member opposite to stand in this House

and talk about our fiscal practices, what this budget will bring next week, the

fiscal practices of this government since 2003.

I would like to remind this House and remind the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador that when we formed

government in 2003, this government, or the party opposite who was in government

at that time, this Province was nearing billion dollar deficits when we formed

government. We inherited a situation where we had near billion dollar deficits,

crumbling infrastructure. Our social programs were in disarray, lack of funding

in education, lack of funding in health, lack of funding to deal with poverty

issues, lack of funding to deal with all of the income support issues.

Mr. Chair, we found ourselves, in 2003, in a state of disarray. So when the

member opposite stands in this House and starts her commentary about Interim

Supply and asking the question about us having to be accountable for how we

spend our money and suggesting that we have to live within our means and stand

in this House as an expert on fiscal management, how hypocritical I say, Mr.

Chair, when you reflect on their legacy, what they left to the people of this

Province in 2003 when we formed government. She then started to talk a little

bit about the last six years. When she starts talking about the last six years,

that was our watch. That happened since we formed government. So let me just

answer her question, because her question was we need an explanation. Well, Mr.

Chair, let me give her an explanation. Let me give the members of this House an

explanation. Let me give the people of Newfoundland and Labrador an explanation

of what we have done in the last six years. Just reflect for a moment. We have

taken this Province from a near billion dollar deficit to having four successful

years of surpluses. In the last two years we have been challenged, as many other

jurisdictions have, to deal with some of the financial issues that are happening

internationally and we have been able to respond to that. Some of the responses

we have had, Mr. Chair, have been to invest in infrastructure.

So, if you look at the money we have spent, we have had a 53 per cent

increase in the amount of money we spend on education in the last six years.

That is part of the expenditure, I say, Mr. Chair. Look at

what we have done in health care. She acknowledged that we are spending the

largest amount per capita than any other province in the entire country. That is

how we are spending the money, Mr. Chair. When we look at our Youth Retention

and Attraction Strategy; that is how we are spending the money, Mr. Chair. When

you look at the period between July of 2007 and July of 2008, this Province

witnessed, for the first time in sixteen years, Mr. Chair, for the first time in

sixteen years, the period between July 1 of 2007 and July of 2008, we saw the

first increase in population in this Province for sixteen years. That happened

on our watch, Mr. Chair. That is a reflection of the financial investments we

have made, strategic investments we have made to make Newfoundland and Labrador

an attractive place to live, an attractive place to invest, a place where people

want to raise a family, a place where people want to pursue a career. That is

how we have been spending our money, Mr. Chair. So if she wants us to account

for some of the expenditures we have made, these are just some of the examples

of some of the things we have done since 2006.

As the Minister of Business, one of the pri

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