British Columbia Hansard — 28 February 2019, a.m., Issue 210 (41st Parliament, 4th Session)

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British Columbia — Debates (Hansard)

Fourth Session, 41st Parliament OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES (HANSARD) Thursday, February 28, 2019 Morning Sitting Issue No. 210 THE HONOURABLE DARRYL PLECAS, SPEAKER ISSN 1499-2175

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA (Entered Confederation July 20, 1871) LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR Her Honour the Honourable Janet Austin, OBC Fourth Session, 41st Parliament SPEAKER OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Honourable Darryl Plecas EXECUTIVE COUNCIL Premier and President of the Executive Council ............................................................................................................... Hon. John Horgan Deputy Premier and Minister of Finance............................................................................................................................Hon.

Carole James Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Training..................................................................................................... Hon. Melanie Mark Minister of Agriculture.........................................................................................................................................................Hon. Lana Popham Attorney General.................................................................................................................................................................Hon.

David Eby, QC Minister of Children and Family Development ............................................................................................................ Hon. Katrine Conroy Minister of State for Child Care...................................................................................................................................... Hon. Katrina Chen Minister of Citizens’ Services.................................................................................................................................................... Hon.

Jinny Sims Minister of Education ............................................................................................................................................................ Hon. Rob Fleming Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources ...............................................................................................Hon. Michelle Mungall Minister of Environment and Climate Change Strategy............................................................................................. Hon.

George Heyman Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development ..............................................Hon. Doug Donaldson Minister of Health .....................................................................................................................................................................Hon. Adrian Dix Minister of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation ......................................................................................................... Hon.

Scott Fraser Minister of Jobs, Trade and Technology............................................................................................................................ Hon. Bruce Ralston Minister of State for Trade...............................................................................................................................................Hon. George Chow Minister of Labour ...................................................................................................................................................................Hon.

Harry Bains Minister of Mental Health and Addictions............................................................................................................................ Hon. Judy Darcy Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing.................................................................................................................. Hon. Selina Robinson Minister of Public Safety and Solicitor General ........................................................................................................... Hon.

Mike Farnworth Minister of Social Development and Poverty Reduction..............................................................................................Hon. Shane Simpson Minister of Tourism, Arts and Culture.....................................................................................................................................Hon. Lisa Beare Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure................................................................................................................ Hon.

Claire Trevena LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Leader of the Official Opposition................................................................................................................................Andrew Wilkinson, QC Leader of the Third Party ....................................................................................................................................................Dr. Andrew Weaver Deputy Speaker................................................................................................................................................................................

Raj Chouhan Assistant Deputy Speaker................................................................................................................................................................... Joan Isaacs Deputy Chair, Committee of the Whole ................................................................................................................

Spencer Chandra Herbert Clerk of the Legislative Assembly ....................................................................................................................................................Craig James Acting Clerk of the Legislative Assembly...............................................................................................................................

Kate Ryan-Lloyd Clerk Assistant — Committees and Interparliamentary Relations ..........................................................................................Susan Sourial Sessional Law Clerk...............................................................................................................................................Loredana Catalli-Sonier, QC Parliamentary Counsel ...................................................................................................................................................................... S.

Suzie Seo Sergeant-at-Arms ................................................................................................................................................................................. Gary Lenz Acting Sergeant-at-Arms......................................................................................................................................... Randall Ennis, MMM, CD

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS Ashton, Dan (BC Liberal) ........................................................................ Penticton Bains, Hon. Harry (NDP)...............................................................Surrey-Newton Barnett, Donna (BC Liberal) ................................................... Cariboo-Chilcotin Beare, Hon. Lisa (NDP).............................................Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows Begg, Garry (NDP) ..................................................................... Surrey-Guildford Bernier, Mike (BC Liberal) .......................................................

Peace River South Bond, Shirley (BC Liberal)......................................... Prince George–Valemount Brar, Jagrup (NDP)..................................................................... Surrey-Fleetwood Cadieux, Stephanie (BC Liberal)....................................................... Surrey South Chandra Herbert, Spencer (NDP) ..................................... Vancouver–West End Chen, Hon. Katrina (NDP).....................................................Burnaby-Lougheed Chouhan, Raj (NDP) ............................................................... Burnaby-Edmonds Chow, Hon.

George (NDP)............................................... Vancouver-Fraserview Clovechok, Doug (BC Liberal) ................................ Columbia River–Revelstoke Coleman, Rich (BC Liberal) ...............................................................Langley East Conroy, Hon. Katrine (NDP)......................................................... Kootenay West Darcy, Hon.

Judy (NDP) ............................................................New Westminster Davies, Dan (BC Liberal) ..........................................................Peace River North de Jong, Michael, QC (BC Liberal) ............................................ Abbotsford West Dean, Mitzi (NDP)...............................................................Esquimalt-Metchosin D’Eith, Bob (NDP) ...............................................................Maple Ridge–Mission Dix, Hon. Adrian (NDP)......................................................Vancouver-Kingsway Donaldson, Hon.

Doug (NDP).....................................................................Stikine Eby, Hon. David, QC (NDP)............................................. Vancouver–Point Grey Elmore, Mable (NDP)....................................................... Vancouver-Kensington Farnworth, Hon. Mike (NDP) ...................................................... Port Coquitlam Fleming, Hon. Rob (NDP) .....................................................Victoria–Swan Lake Foster, Eric (BC Liberal)........................................................... Vernon-Monashee Fraser, Hon.

Scott (NDP) ................................................ Mid Island–Pacific Rim Furstenau, Sonia (BC Green Party) ........................................... Cowichan Valley Gibson, Simon (BC Liberal) ................................................. Abbotsford-Mission Glumac, Rick (NDP)........................................................Port Moody–Coquitlam Heyman, Hon. George (NDP) .............................................. Vancouver-Fairview Horgan, Hon. John (NDP) ...............................................

Langford–Juan de Fuca Hunt, Marvin (BC Liberal) .......................................................Surrey-Cloverdale Isaacs, Joan (BC Liberal) .........................................Coquitlam–Burke Mountain James, Hon. Carole (NDP)...................................................Victoria–Beacon Hill Johal, Jas (BC Liberal)...............................................

Richmond-Queensborough Kahlon, Ravi (NDP)..............................................................................Delta North Kang, Anne (NDP)..................................................................Burnaby–Deer Lake Kyllo, Greg (BC Liberal)............................................................................ Shuswap Larson, Linda (BC Liberal) .............................................Boundary-Similkameen Lee, Michael (BC Liberal) ......................................................

Vancouver-Langara Leonard, Ronna-Rae (NDP) ....................................................Courtenay-Comox Letnick, Norm (BC Liberal)............................................Kelowna–Lake Country Ma, Bowinn (NDP) ................................................... North Vancouver–Lonsdale Malcolmson, Sheila (NDP) .......................................................................Nanaimo Mark, Hon. Melanie (NDP) ..................................... Vancouver–Mount Pleasant Martin, John (BC Liberal)......................................................................

Chilliwack Milobar, Peter (BC Liberal).................................... Kamloops–North Thompson Morris, Mike (BC Liberal) ..........................................Prince George–Mackenzie Mungall, Hon. Michelle (NDP).................................................... Nelson-Creston Oakes, Coralee (BC Liberal) ...........................................................Cariboo North Olsen, Adam (BC Green Party)........................... Saanich North and the Islands Paton, Ian (BC Liberal)......................................................................... Delta South Plecas, Hon.

Darryl (Ind.) ..........................................................Abbotsford South Polak, Mary (BC Liberal) ............................................................................ Langley Popham, Hon. Lana (NDP)..............................................................Saanich South Ralston, Hon. Bruce (NDP) .......................................................... Surrey-Whalley Redies, Tracy (BC Liberal) ..................................................... Surrey–White Rock Reid, Linda (BC Liberal) ................................................

Richmond South Centre Rice, Jennifer (NDP) ............................................................................ North Coast Robinson, Hon. Selina (NDP) ....................................... Coquitlam-Maillardville Ross, Ellis (BC Liberal)..................................................................................Skeena Routledge, Janet (NDP) .................................................................. Burnaby North Routley, Doug (NDP) ................................................Nanaimo–North Cowichan Rustad, John (BC Liberal) ..............................................................

Nechako Lakes Shypitka, Tom (BC Liberal) .............................................................Kootenay East Simons, Nicholas (NDP) ........................................Powell River–Sunshine Coast Simpson, Hon. Shane (NDP)................................................ Vancouver-Hastings Sims, Hon.

Jinny (NDP) .............................................................Surrey-Panorama Singh, Rachna (NDP) ........................................................Surrey–Green Timbers Stewart, Ben (BC Liberal) ................................................................Kelowna West Stilwell, Michelle (BC Liberal)..............................................Parksville-Qualicum Stone, Todd (BC Liberal)........................................

Kamloops–South Thompson Sturdy, Jordan (BC Liberal).......................................West Vancouver–Sea to Sky Sullivan, Sam (BC Liberal)...............................................Vancouver–False Creek Sultan, Ralph (BC Liberal) ......................................... West Vancouver–Capilano Tegart, Jackie (BC Liberal) ................................................................ Fraser-Nicola Thomson, Steve (BC Liberal)..................................................... Kelowna-Mission Thornthwaite, Jane (BC Liberal) .............................

North Vancouver–Seymour Throness, Laurie (BC Liberal) ..................................................... Chilliwack-Kent Trevena, Hon. Claire (NDP) .............................................................. North Island Wat, Teresa (BC Liberal) ................................................Richmond North Centre Weaver, Dr. Andrew (BC Green Party) ......................... Oak Bay–Gordon Head Wilkinson, Andrew, QC (BC Liberal) .............................. Vancouver-Quilchena Y ap, John (BC Liberal)..........................................................

Richmond-Steveston LIST OF MEMBERS BY RIDING Abbotsford-Mission ..........................................................................Simon Gibson Abbotsford South ..................................................................... Hon. Darryl Plecas Abbotsford West .................................................................... Michael de Jong, QC Boundary-Similkameen.....................................................................

Linda Larson Burnaby–Deer Lake ...............................................................................Anne Kang Burnaby-Edmonds ..............................................................................Raj Chouhan Burnaby-Lougheed................................................................... Hon. Katrina Chen Burnaby North................................................................................

Janet Routledge Cariboo-Chilcotin ............................................................................Donna Barnett Cariboo North .................................................................................. Coralee Oakes Chilliwack.............................................................................................. John Martin Chilliwack-Kent..............................................................................Laurie Throness Columbia River–Revelstoke........................................................

Doug Clovechok Coquitlam–Burke Mountain................................................................. Joan Isaacs Coquitlam-Maillardville..................................................... Hon. Selina Robinson Courtenay-Comox ................................................................. Ronna-Rae Leonard Cowichan Valley ............................................................................

Sonia Furstenau Delta North ...........................................................................................Ravi Kahlon Delta South.................................................................................................Ian Paton Esquimalt-Metchosin.............................................................................Mitzi Dean Fraser-Nicola........................................................................................

Jackie Tegart Kamloops–North Thompson............................................................Peter Milobar Kamloops–South Thompson ................................................................Todd Stone Kelowna–Lake Country....................................................................Norm Letnick Kelowna-Mission.............................................................................

Steve Thomson Kelowna West.........................................................................................Ben Stewart Kootenay East .....................................................................................Tom Shypitka Kootenay West ...................................................................... Hon. Katrine Conroy Langford–Juan de Fuca............................................................. Hon. John Horgan Langley....................................................................................................

Mary Polak Langley East .......................................................................................Rich Coleman Maple Ridge–Mission ............................................................................ Bob D’Eith Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows ..........................................................Hon. Lisa Beare Mid Island–Pacific Rim .............................................................. Hon. Scott Fraser Nanaimo ....................................................................................

Sheila Malcolmson Nanaimo–North Cowichan.............................................................. Doug Routley Nechako Lakes ...................................................................................... John Rustad Nelson-Creston.................................................................. Hon. Michelle Mungall New Westminster ......................................................................... Hon. Judy Darcy North Coast..........................................................................................

Jennifer Rice North Island ............................................................................ Hon. Claire Trevena North Vancouver–Lonsdale ................................................................. Bowinn Ma North Vancouver–Seymour ......................................................Jane Thornthwaite Oak Bay–Gordon Head ..........................................................Dr.

Andrew Weaver Parksville-Qualicum .....................................................................Michelle Stilwell Peace River North.................................................................................. Dan Davies Peace River South ............................................................................... Mike Bernier Penticton................................................................................................ Dan Ashton Port Coquitlam .................................................................... Hon.

Mike Farnworth Port Moody–Coquitlam .....................................................................Rick Glumac Powell River–Sunshine Coast ..................................................... Nicholas Simons Prince George–Mackenzie ..................................................................Mike Morris Prince George–Valemount.................................................................

Shirley Bond Richmond North Centre ........................................................................Teresa Wat Richmond-Queensborough .......................................................................Jas Johal Richmond South Centre........................................................................ Linda Reid Richmond-Steveston..................................................................................

John Y ap Saanich North and the Islands............................................................Adam Olsen Saanich South............................................................................Hon. Lana Popham Shuswap .................................................................................................... Greg Kyllo Skeena ......................................................................................................... Ellis Ross Stikine ..................................................................................Hon.

Doug Donaldson Surrey-Cloverdale............................................................................... Marvin Hunt Surrey-Fleetwood ...................................................................................Jagrup Brar Surrey–Green Timbers ......................................................................Rachna Singh Surrey-Guildford ....................................................................................Garry Begg Surrey-Newton.............................................................................Hon.

Harry Bains Surrey-Panorama........................................................................... Hon. Jinny Sims Surrey South............................................................................... Stephanie Cadieux Surrey-Whalley........................................................................ Hon. Bruce Ralston Surrey–White Rock ............................................................................. Tracy Redies Vancouver-Fairview ............................................................ Hon.

George Heyman Vancouver–False Creek....................................................................... Sam Sullivan Vancouver-Fraserview .............................................................Hon. George Chow Vancouver-Hastings .............................................................. Hon. Shane Simpson Vancouver-Kensington ..................................................................... Mable Elmore Vancouver-Kingsway ................................................................... Hon.

Adrian Dix Vancouver-Langara .............................................................................. Michael Lee Vancouver–Mount Pleasant ................................................... Hon. Melanie Mark Vancouver–Point Grey...........................................................Hon.

David Eby, QC Vancouver-Quilchena ......................................................Andrew Wilkinson, QC Vancouver–West End....................................................Spencer Chandra Herbert Vernon-Monashee...................................................................................Eric Foster Victoria–Beacon Hill ................................................................ Hon. Carole James Victoria–Swan Lake .................................................................. Hon. Rob Fleming West Vancouver–Capilano .................................................................

Ralph Sultan West Vancouver–Sea to Sky ..............................................................Jordan Sturdy Party Standings: BC Liberal 42; NDP 41; BC Green Party 3; Independent 1

CONTENTS Thursday, February 28, 2019 Morning Sitting Page Routine Business Introductions by Members..................................................................................................................................................... 7339 Statements (Standing Order 25B) ......................................................................................................................................... 7339 Black History Month and Henry Houston Scott M. Hunt Comox Valley Therapeutic Riding Society R. Leonard Rural B.C. environment and consultation on caribou protection M.

Bernier Men’s health promotion M. Dean Public trust in government and Legislative Assembly A. Olsen Wounded Warriors fundraising run S. Malcolmson Oral Questions......................................................................................................................................................................... 7342 Softwood lumber negotiations and trade with U.S. J. Rustad Hon. J. Horgan J. Tegart Call for public inquiry into money laundering A. Olsen Hon. D. Eby Softwood lumber negotiations and trade with U.S. M. de Jong Hon. J.

Horgan Compensation to guide-outfitters for moose hunting reduction D. Barnett Hon. D. Donaldson Assistance for case of flooding and water contamination T. Stone Hon. D. Donaldson Government Motions on Notice ........................................................................................................................................... 7347 Motion 3 — Committee of Supply to sit in two sections Hon. M.

Farnworth Petitions .................................................................................................................................................................................... 7347 J. Sturdy Orders of the Day Budget Debate(continued) .................................................................................................................................................... 7348 S. Bond Hon. M. Mark Hon. C. James

THURSDAY , FEBRUARY 28, 2019 The House met at 10:04 a.m. [Mr. Speaker in the chair.] Routine Business Prayers. [10:05 a.m.] Introductions by Members Hon. B. Ralston:Joining us in the member’s gallery is Ms. Trinh Tu Lan, the consul general of the Socialist Repub- lic of Vietnam, based in Vancouver. The consul general was appointed in December 2018. I first met with her shortly thereafter. Today is the consul general’s first visit to Victoria, and she’s scheduled to meet a number of government officials throughout the day. Would the House please make the con- sul general of Vietnam feel very welcome. Hon. J.

Darcy:I have two special guests I’ d like to intro- duce today. Lori Larson has been an administrative assistant in the Ministry of Mental Health and Addictions, doing amazing work in our office, also having to field very, very difficult calls, often from people who are in crisis and who reach out for help. She’s done an amazing job. Prior to that she was a banker for over 28 years. Her daughter was a page, also attended Reynolds Secondary School. Next week the Ministry of Tourism, Arts and Culture is very lucky to have her as the new administrative assistant there.

I’ d like you to give a warm welcome to Lori Larson today and thank her for her service. Carly Morgan is just beginning this week as an adminis- trative assistant in the Ministry of Mental Health and Addic- tions. She recently graduated from the University of Victoria in physics and astronomy and is now beginning her work in government. I’m sure that her physics and astronomy will be helpful in whatever role she plays here in government. She’s also the niece of Lisa Oldham, the administrative coordinat- or for Minister Popham. Welcome, please, today to Lori Larson and Carly Morgan. Hon. K.

Conroy: I have a group of guests here today who are here for an announcement that we have this after- noon. Jayne Wilson is here, the executive director of the B.C. Federation of Foster Parents Associations, as well as Carol Madsen, the executive director of the Parent Support Ser- vices Society of B.C. With Carol from the society is Christina Campbell, who does kinship care; Jane Bouey, communic- ations; and Louise Costello, a board member. Would you please all join me in welcoming them to the House. Hon. J.

Horgan: Joining us in the gallery today is an employee in the correspondence branch in the Premier’s office, Allegra Wolansky. Allegra, of course, sees question period fairly frequently. She’s joined today by a resident of Grand Forks, her soon-to-be mother-in-law Susan Blair, who hasn’t been here to see question period since the Barrett era. I just wanted to let her know that decorum is much bet- ter today than it was then. The humour is not quite as good, but we’ll do our level best to make it entertaining. Would the House please make them very, very welcome.

Statements (Standing Order 25B) BLACK HISTORY MONTH AND HENRY HOUSTON SCOTT M. Hunt:Today I rise in honour of Black History Month, a time for us to celebrate the accomplishments and stories of black Canadians. In particular, I’ d like to tell the House and the people of British Columbia about a former Surrey resid- ent and his family. In 1912, Henry Houston Scott emigrated from the United States with his wife, Amy, and three of their ten children. They were drawn to the fertile lands of the Fraser Valley and purchased the farm upon arriving.

Henry grew hay on his orchard until his passing in 1934, when his son Jesse took over running the farm. Henry’s other son, Roy, had a varied career working both in the lumber mill as well as being a porter for the Canadian Pacific Railway. His daughter, Benola, managed the family farm for almost 30 years after her parents’ deaths, before she passed in 1971. [10:10 a.m.] Henry Scott no longer has any living relatives in Surrey, yet his family’s former farm continues to be recognized for its importance to the city of Surrey.

On February 18, Surrey city council passed a resolution to have the park where the Scotts once farmed renamed Henry Houston Scott Park in honour of Henry, Amy, Roy, Jesse and Benola. The Scott family story is the first and currently the only of its kind to be identified and researched in Surrey’s history. There is no doubt, however, that there are many more like it throughout British Columbia. Would the House please join me in honouring the Scott family, as well as all other British Columbians whose stories we reflect upon during Black History Month. COMOX V ALLEY THERAPEUTIC RIDING SOCIETY R.

Leonard:There is a beautiful, sandy network of trails along the bank of the Tsolum River in Courtenay-Comox that lead into a forest that’s blanketed in fawn lilies and tril- liums in the springtime. Adjacent to this little piece of para- dise is our exhibition grounds, with an unassuming barn that houses a most amazing program. 7339

Between September and June, out of that barn and into the natural elements come children and adults with diverse abilities riding specially trained horses and ponies surroun- ded by trained volunteers. Now in its 33rd year, the Comox Valley Therapeutic Riding Society serves about 100 children and adults with the invaluable help of 150 volunteers. Quali- fied therapeutic riding instructors teach riding and working with physical challenges, and other staff come with experi- ence in facilitation and working with youth.

Volunteer coordinator and program scheduler Hilary Doucette brings all the pieces of the puzzle together so that everyone succeeds. Referrals come from doctors, therapists, schools, and even family can directly refer their children to this program that changes lives. The program has traditionally served people with phys- ical challenges, but more recently the vast majority are children with autism, ADHD, anxiety, depression — chil- dren who are lacking skills to manage their feelings and behaviours.

Executive director Nancy King explains how the horses mirror the feelings of the rider, and that feed- back helps the children to learn to self-regulate, gain phys- ical coordination and confidence. Julie McLaughlin shares how the therapeutic riding helped their adopted boys and how barn buddies helped their youngest son gain social strength. Volunteer Anne Lawrie describes how it’s the most gratifying volunteer job she’s ever had, watching the transformation of the children on their gentle ponies. Big thanks to the volunteers, horses, staff and funders.

Congratulations to all who benefit from the therapeutic rid- ing program. RURAL B.C. ENVIRONMENT AND CONSULTATION ON CARIBOU PROTECTION M. Bernier:When I look at the reasons for living in rural B.C., the list is long. The MLA for Peace River North, the rest of the rural caucus over here — we know this all too well. It’s an amazing place to have a good, balanced quality of life. It’s a great place to raise a family. One of the main reasons so many people want to live in rural B.C. is our province’s incredible opportunities for hunt- ing, skiing, snowmobiling, ATVing and camping right in our backyards.

Then there are all the jobs that rural B.C. has thanks to all the resource opportunities right there. Whether it’s forestry, mining, oil and gas, tourism — these and other industries make sure that thousands of people can call rural communities home. People choose to live, work and play in rural B.C. because of everything it offers, but there is growing fear that this might be changed. This fear comes from lack of consultation and information being shared with the people who have the most to lose.

The Concerned Citizens for Caribou Recov- ery in my riding have done a great job highlighting what my region will lose if bad, reactive, knee-jerk decisions to shut down parts of our back country happen without consulting the people who use it and know it. Rural B.C. should not be taken advantage of just because they are quiet, hard-working people who don’t usually raise their voices. But their voices deserve to be heard. Imagine the outcry and protests if all human activity in Stanley Park was shut down just to save a bird with no public consultation at all.

Now imagine shutting down something the size of sev- en Vancouvers without any public input. [10:15 a.m.] Rural British Columbians are at the front of the line when it comes to fighting to preserve our environment and our species at risk. After all, it’s our backyards. That’s why we are asking to be at the table for discussions before a few minis- ters who don’t even live in our region decide for us. MEN’S HEALTH PROMOTION M. Dean: Thank you to the Canadian Men’s Health Foundation who are here today to build our knowledge and relationship with them as they work to encourage men to adopt a healthier lifestyle.

They also aim to prevent men’s health problems, such as prostate cancer. Research shows that over 5,590 men die from cancer every year in B.C., with prostate cancer accounting for over 19 percent of all cancer diagnoses in B.C. men. Additionally, more than 3,000 men die from heart disease each year. That’s why the foundation’s work is so important, as it helps bring awareness to the importance of making healthy choices to prevent health problems and help men create a happier and longer life.

For example, the Don’t Change Much program is a cam- paign and website with quick recipes, easy tips on how to be active and advice from celebrities like NHL veteran Trevor Linden and four-time Olympian Simon Whitfield. It gives men simple tips on how to be more active by making small, manageable lifestyle changes. The Downtown Urban Knights Defending Equality and Solidarity, DUDES Club, is a modern way to involve the community in promoting healthy living for Indigenous men.

It’s helping Indigenous men reconnect with their families and cultures through spiritual, social, physical, mental and emotion-focused events and activities. Thanks for your dedication and hard work in inspiring men everywhere in B.C. to be healthy, present and engaged in the community as we all work towards a better quality of life for everyone. PUBLIC TRUST IN GOVERNMENT AND LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY A. Olsen:There’s a crisis of confidence in this institution.

Thinking back to the thousands of stories I heard on the doorstep during the 2017 election, it did not matter whether I was on the top of the mountain in North Saanich, the waterfront in Sidney, on Saltspring Island or Tsartlip First 7340 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

Nation. Trust in this institution was in tatters. The internal narrative of our local campaign was built on trust. Trust is an important value for me. On one hand, it seemed like a political opportunity, right? People had lost trust in government. It appears to be a per- fectly delicious scenario for change. On the other hand, it is devastating to be enticed to celebrate a crisis in confidence in our government because of a potential political win. These statements from members often celebrate the lives of influential British Columbians or special days of advocacy.

They draw attention to critical, non-partisan issues in our ridings and across the province. That, too, is my goal today. Since my election, there has been a steady stream of con- stituents who’ve approached me, encouraging me to directly address the issues that are diminishing the stature of this House. These people have seen the inside. They carry the burden with them as part of their story. It is for these constituents of mine and for British Colum- bians right across this province that today I shine a light on our commitment to rebuilding the public’s trust in our gov- ernment institution.

I stand here in this chamber, where we undertake the most important business of this province, and reaffirm the oath that we swear to protect the honour of this House, the people’s House. I am reminded that this place is indeed nothing if it’s not built on trust. WOUNDED W ARRIORS FUNDRAISING RUN S. Malcolmson:“Honour the fallen. Help the living. ” This is the mantra of seven runners just this side of Campbell River. They’re making their way here right now to raise funds and awareness about post-traumatic stress disorder and operational stress injuries affecting military veterans and first responders.

The Wounded Warriors are relay-running the length of Vancouver Island this week. That’s 600 kilometres in seven days. Seven police, Coast Guard, DND and firefighter run- ners started in Port Hardy on Monday. In three days, they’ve raised $60,000 for veterans’ mental health. Tonight they’ll rest in Comox. Check out woundedwarriors.ca to see when they’ll be passing through your town. [10:20 a.m.] I’ll cheer them on, on Saturday in Nanaimo, along with the cadets and our legions. Tilray in Nanaimo is sponsoring them; so is Serious Coffee. The support is the beautiful part of this.

The families support their injured veterans and first responders, and Wounded Warriors supports both the vet- erans and families. Couples Overcoming PTSD is an award- winning program. It’s life-changing, repairing families. The Vancouver Island Compassion Dogs is another beautiful charity providing service dogs to veterans. There’s also trauma resilience training for people already working on the front line. Wounded Warriors funds them all. Friends in Victoria, if you can, please greet these fine run- ners and their support team at the Wounded Warrior Run grand finale, right here Sunday at 4:30.

It’s at the back of the Legislature along Superior Street. The front line keeps us safe every day, so please come out and support the Wounded Warriors as they finish their epic journey down Vancouver Island, and let them know that we have their backs too. E. Ross:I seek leave to make an introduction. Leave granted. Introductions by Members E. Ross:My apologies to Judy Fraser, sitting in the gallery today. She’s a Prince Rupert resident, a big supporter of all the activities in the region as well as the province, and a friend to many of us here in the House. Would the House please make Judy Fraser welcome. Hon. K.

Conroy:I also seek leave to make an introduc- tion. Leave granted. Hon. K. Conroy: Joining us shortly in the gallery is a group of students who are here, from the West Kootenay regional debate team, for the Law Foundation Cup Provin- cial Debating Championship 2019. These students will debate against six other teams from the regions in the province, honing their questioning and debate skills. This team is made up of students from both Kootenay West and Nelson-Creston. I’m going to introduce the students from my constituency, and the member for Nelson-Creston will introduce hers. From J.L.

Crowe Secondary in Trail, we have Katie Moun- tain, Grace Holden, Ripley Shubert and Mattea Palesch, all in grade 8; Sasha Leithead in grade 9; and Chris Mountain in grade 12. With them are a couple of teachers — Kim Eggert, the coach and chaperone; and Marilyn Lund, the coach — as well as the regional coordinator. It’s really great to welcome them all here, but especially Marilyn. We have known each other for quite a long time, as we went to school together, although it just seems like a few years ago. Please join me in welcoming them to the House and wish them well on their debates. Mr.

Speaker:Continuing with the second part of that introduction. Hon. M. Mungall:Joining the group that the Minister for Children and Families just mentioned we have Harlan Hofman-Miller, Jayden Stallings, Sophie Edney, Sarah Wensink, Sabien Edney, Michael Rhodes-Bliss, Willa Mor- rison, Marissa Price and Margaret Saville. They are all Thursday, February 28, 2019 British Columbia Debates 7341

from L.V . Rogers. From Wildflower School in Nelson, we have Bea Kelley. These are amazing young people who are learning the art of debate, and I have no doubt that in question period, we will show them our best artistic form in debate today. Hon. M. Farnworth:I seek leave to make an introduction. Leave granted. Hon. M. Farnworth:We’re joined by a number of search and rescue volunteers that are here to mark Search and Res- cue Volunteer Memorial Day.

They include Jim Spencer of Nanaimo and Patrick McSorley of Victoria, representing PEP Air; John Johnston of Kelowna and Ruth Sharun of Ladysmith, representing Royal Canadian Marine Search and Rescue; and Christine Strub of Squamish and Cheryle Bass of Squamish, representing the British Columbia Search and Rescue Association. Would the House please join me in wel- coming them and thanking them for the wonderful work that they do. Oral Questions SOFTWOOD LUMBER NEGOTIATIONS AND TRADE WITH U.S. J.

Rustad:Two years ago the Premier said: “I will go to Washington, D.C., myself to get a deal. ” Well, I guess the Pre- mier did get a deal — a cheque for a quarter million dol- lars from the U.S. Steelworkers for the NDP — but he got nothing on the softwood lumber agreement. The Premier has failed miserably to advance this file anywhere.

Y esterday the Premier claimed that he raised issues of mutual interest when he met with Governor Inslee earlier this month, but not a peep about softwood lumber. [10:25 a.m.] Why does the Premier care so little about the men and women working in our forest industry that he didn’t even raise the topic with the governor? Hon. J. Horgan:Jurisdictional questions seem to confuse the opposition. The challenges we have with softwood lum- ber are not with the state of Washington, not with the gov- ernor of Washington, but with the United States department of trade and the United States Department of Commerce.

Again, had the people on the other side spent more time thinking about this when they were on this side of the House, they might have had more success in the negotiations going forward. The member is partly correct. I did go to Washington, as one of my first tasks as Premier. I spoke with the Depart- ment of Commerce. I spoke with the trade ambassador. I made it abundantly clear that the tariffs and the counter- vail duties that were being contemplated at that time by the United States were unfair, they were unjust, and we would challenge them every step of the way. That’s exactly what we’ve been doing. Mr.

Speaker:The member for Nechako Lakes on a sup- plemental. J. Rustad:Here are the facts. There wasn’t a single men- tion of softwood lumber that made it into any of the recent releases from last month’s meeting — not a word. The Premi- er committed hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers’ money and did photo-ops but did not raise the issue. Workers and communities are hurting, while the Premier cozied up to his buddy Governor Inslee. The Premier very well knows that you need allies to be able to move forward on issues such as softwood lumber.

He has failed to move this file forward, either on the Canadian agenda or with any- body in the U.S. that he had an opportunity to meet with. Will the Premier admit that he has not kept his promise on softwood lumber and that forestry workers and families are suffering because of it? Hon. J. Horgan:I’m really delighted that the members on the other side of the House are interested in the conversa- tions I have with leaders in other jurisdictions. But again, I’m struggling to find the thread here, the relevance here.

I did talk to Governor Inslee, just three or four months ago, about the impact of groundwood duties on our coated paper industry. It was a case being brought forward by a Washington state company that precipitated that trade dis- pute. I made it abundantly clear to the governor at that time that this was ill informed and ill conceived. Of course, the International Trade Commission agreed with us in Canada, those of us who were standing up for British Columbians.

People are still working in Powell River, people are still working in Crofton, and people are still work- ing in Port Alberni because of the interventions we made at that time. Having said that, I know that the member for Nechako Lakes understands this file fairly well, and that’s what sur- prises me about why he’s going in this direction. He knows that we made interventions at the appropriate time. We were in regular contact with the Minister of Trade at the federal level, where these issues are decided. We are vigorously defending the interests of British Columbians, and we’ll con- tinue to do that. J.

Tegart:There are 140 forestry-dependent communities in British Columbia that are suffering without a softwood lumber deal, communities that feel abandoned by this gov- ernment. In the community of Merritt, I’ve had constituents come into my office in tears because of rolling layoffs at the local mill. These are hard-working people who are losing family-supporting jobs right now. Will the Forest Minister explain to my people when they can expect the signing of a softwood lumber deal? 7342 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

Hon. J. Horgan: Again, I’m absolutely delighted to be patient, as the people on that side get used to being in oppos- ition. But it’s outrageous for them to stand here and ask ques- tions about an arrangement between two nation-states that has been a perennial problem between our two countries. Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. Members. Hon. J. Horgan:They’re doing this when all the while, on their watch, 30,000 forest jobs were lost, 100 mills were closed.

To stand here today and say, when the former Pre- mier did not go to Washington, did not heed the advice of David Emerson, the eminent person that we put in place to help us get through this…. For them to stand here and say they care about forest workers when 30,000 of them are doing something else now is outrageous. [10:30 a.m.] Mr. Speaker:The member for Fraser-Nicola on a supple- mental. J. Tegart:My constituents want to know about today and why this callous government doesn’t even seem to care.

This is a bigger issue than “The Premier goes to Washington. ” In 2017, the Premier said: “I’m going to directly involve myself in the softwood lumber negotiations and make sure that we get a deal. ” Well, that was nearly two years ago, and millworkers in my constituency, whose shifts are being cut, are getting sick and tired of waiting for your government to do what they promised. When, Mr. Premier, are we going to see a signed agree- ment? Hon. J. Horgan:Clearly, the research department in the Liberal caucus doesn’t have any sense of what’s going on. The issue is now in the courts.

That’s where it has to go because the negotiations failed, because the United States was not prepared to do a deal. It is irresponsible in the extreme… Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. Hon. J. Horgan:…to come in today, on a Thursday morn- ing, and say: “We’re going to blame the B.C. NDP for the fail- ure of a negotiation…. ” Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Premier, you can proceed when you feel it’s quiet enough for you to speak uninterrupted. Hon. J. Horgan:I appreciate that, hon. Speaker. Now, if there was just a molecule of sincerity and genu- ineness in the question being asked — just a molecule….

So 100 mills, 30,000 jobs lost while you sat idly by and let that happen. We have been working aggressively in trying to revitalize the coastal forest industry. We’re working on the Interior. We’re meeting with COFI later this week. We’re trying to build a better, stronger economy for forest and rural workers. Why don’t you get on board rather than whining about it? Mr. Speaker:We’re ready for another question. Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. Members. CALL FOR PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO MONEY LAUNDERING A. Olsen:For the past two weeks, my colleagues and I have been raising the issue of — groan — money laundering.

I know; it’s such a groaner, eh? We’ve asked about top invest- igators losing their jobs when they tried to take action. We asked about the lack of prosecutions and how this shameful situation is heavily linked to housing and the opioid crisis. I mean, these are just groaner issues in this province. I get it from the official opposition. Y esterday the Attorney General stated that he agreed that “a public inquiry does bring the benefit of going into signific- antly more depth on these issues. ” The Attorney General has done important work, but when is enough evidence enough?

The government is agreeing that a public inquiry could be useful, but not actually wanting to start one. My question is to the Attorney General. When will the public know if this government is serious about a public inquiry? Hon. D. Eby: I thank the member for the question, and I thank the Green Party for raising these issues. I think about the people in the Lower Mainland, the families in rental housing who earn a good income, who have been priced out of the market because they’re competing, in part, with people earning money illegally. They’re competing with people who are evading taxes.

I don’t think that’s enjoyable, and I don’t think that’s wacky. I think that’s the worst. [10:35 a.m.] When we look at this issue of money laundering and the connection to the real estate market, we take it incredibly seriously. The first priority for our government has been to stop the activity that’s taking place. That has been some- thing the Finance Minister has been working on since day one, something I’ve been working on since day one and something the Premier has been working on since day one, because we get how serious this issue is, unlike some politic- al parties.

Now, I’ve also tried to be clear that we are doing this work right now with the reviews to stop this activity. That doesn’t Thursday, February 28, 2019 British Columbia Debates 7343

mean that there is not benefit, potentially, in a public inquiry and doing deeper work on that. But our first priority is to stop the activity, and that’s the work we’re doing right now. Mr. Speaker:Saanich North and the Islands on a supple- mental. A. Olsen:Frankly, the silence from our colleagues in the opposition tells a story. The groaning on these questions paints the rest of the picture. My colleagues and I appreciate that the Attorney General wants to ensure that he’s taking the right path. However, we have an abundance of evidence to support an inquiry, and it keeps growing.

Three-quarters of British Columbians sup- port it, and thousands have signed petitions. Legal experts, major unions, advocacy organizations and municipal gov- ernments in this province are calling on the government to launch an inquiry. Y esterday we again made international news — again for all the wrong reasons — when theWashington Post had a headline that called the situation in British Columbia “an emergency. ” We agree. An independent inquiry is critical to exposing the truth and getting to the bottom of this. This is what British Columbians are expecting, and this is what they deserve.

My question is to the Attorney General. Finally, will he commit to launching a public inquiry? Hon. D. Eby: I read the

article with interest in the Washington Post — one of many articles, by the way, in international media that feature the scandals of the previ- ous government, including this one. We take it incredibly seriously. We are taking the steps to stop this activity as quickly as we can. The

article relied heavily on a lot of material that was made public through the efforts of this government to bring forward a report that was being kept secret, that wasn’t being released — to bring forward the issue that was being kept secret, that wasn’t being advised to the public, even though publicly, international anti-money-laundering personnel were being educated on the Vancouver model of money laundering at the same time as British Columbians were being told it was functionally impossible to launder money in our casinos. It’s an unacceptable scenario.

I understand why 75 percent of people want a public inquiry. I understand why the mem- bers for the Green Party want a public inquiry. I also hope that the member understands why we’re working as quickly as we can to stop the activity as our first priority. SOFTWOOD LUMBER NEGOTIATIONS AND TRADE WITH U.S. M. de Jong: I have to say I’m a bit surprised that the Premier doesn’t apparently recognize the important role he plays as Premier in informing leaders within the U.S. — there are 50 governors — of the importance of the softwood lumber dispute and the impact it is having on Canadians and British Columbians.

Now, the Premier’s office is pretty good at issuing press releases. Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. M. de Jong: The Premier’s office is very good at issuing press releases. I did look at the one. Presumably, they issue the press releases to highlight the things that are important, the things that were discussed or the issues that the Premier wishes to raise. On February 4, they issued an information bulletin. Not a mention of softwood lumber. February 8, they issued a press release. Not a mention of softwood lumber. The Premier is in a foreign country that is attacking our number one industry.

February 9, they issued a press release. Not a mention of soft- wood lumber. Now, contrast that with the actions of the Premier of New Brunswick, who had a meeting with U.S. senators and U.S. state leaders and made a point of raising softwood lumber and articulating how important it was to all of Canada to get a solution. Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. M. de Jong:With our number one industry under assault, will the Premier explain why he is refusing to highlight the issue with Americans and why he has abdicated leadership on this issue to the Premier of New Brunswick? [10:40 a.m.] Hon. J.

Horgan: Again, a little lesson in jurisdictional responsibilities. Trade is the responsibility of the Depart- ment of Commerce, in the department of trade, in the United States — not the governor of Washington. There are jurisdictions in the United States that are bringing forward these countervailing duties towards us. They’re usually found in the southern United States. The former Forests Minister, who saw raw log exports go from almost nothing to 55 percent, probably should have remembered that. As a former Forests Minister….

I absolutely know with certainty that the member understands that a binational panel was appointed in November of 2018 to continue to get a resolution on this dispute. We’re quite delighted, if there is a Forests critic on that side…. I’m not sure who it is. If they want to have a thorough briefing, the minister is quite happy to sit down with them and walk them through the process.

But to come into this House after an appalling 16 years of ignoring the forest industry, ignoring the job loss, ignoring mill closures and seeing logs disappear out of British Colum- 7344 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

bia faster than they can get put on the back of a truck is just outrageous, and everybody knows it. Now, I absolutely appreciate that you have to have some- thing to say on a Thursday morning in February. But if you really want to understand and work with the province and the people of British Columbia, why don’t you get on board? Let’s have a pan–British Columbia view on this issue, and let’s stand together to defend the interests of British Columbians.

M. de Jong: Well, I guess the Premier is saying that the Premier of New Brunswick doesn’t know what he’s doing, because he made a point of going to a meeting of the Nation- al Governors Association of the U.S. and made a point of highlighting the importance of this issue. But I’m trying to understand the Premier’s strategy and the government’s strategy. Just a few days before he went to Washington…. This is kind of interesting. Just a few days before he went for his photo-op with the governor, the president of that country, Donald J. Trump, issued Executive Order 13858. This is the document.

It has the force of law. It excludes the use of for- eign goods, products and materials on U.S. infrastructure projects. It defines an infrastructure project as being a pro- ject to develop public or private assets, including — this is interesting — roadways, bridges and railroads. Did our Premier express outrage? Did he articulate on behalf of Canadians and British Columbians how unfair this was? Did he register any kind of protest? No.

Our Pre- mier’s response to this was to dip into the taxpayers’ pock- ets of British Columbia and hand over a cheque for hun- dreds of thousands of more B.C. dollars for a project to be built largely in the U.S. that Canadians and British Colum- bians won’t even get a chance to bid on because of a pres- idential order. That’s showing them, Mr. Premier. That’s getting their attention. That is not standing up for British Columbians. When will the Premier have the backbone to stand up and defend the interests of British Columbians on our number one export, the softwood lumber dispute? Hon. J.

Horgan:The thespian from Abbotsford stands again, looks squarely into the camera and does the feigned indignation better than any member of this House, save and except the member for Port Coquitlam. Again, I realize it’s been 18 months since the people on that side of the House used to sit over here, but they seem to have forgotten a lot of protocols and procedures.

I went to Washington at the invitation of the governor of Washington to talk about orcas, to talk about climate change and to talk about chinook salmon — profoundly important issues to the people of British Columbians, within our ability to make a difference. [10:45 a.m.] I understand now that there’s a new sheriff, the head of the crew on the other side. They’re certainly entitled to change their policies. But I have a note here from theNew York Times of October 2, 2016, the former Premier, Ms.

Clark, saying the following: “Vancouver has a lot more in common with Seattle than we do with Calgary, Montreal, Toronto or anywhere else in this country. ” The Premier said, “We should make the best of those cultural common- alities, ” and, in fact, then announced that she was going to work with Governor Inslee to work on high-speed rail between Seattle and Vancouver. The official opposition has now decided that softwood lumber is an important issue. They had 16 years to deal with it, and they didn’t. Now it’s the most important issue.

So if they want to abandon relationships with Washington state, if they want to abandon the high-speed rail initiative that they started, I’m happy to step back. But sometimes a good idea is just a good idea, whether it came from a Liberal, a New Democrat or a Green. I would argue, again…. I appreciate it’s question period and it’s important for the members to stand up and look as indignant as they possibly can, but the people of British Col- umbia want to know that their government is focused every day on making life better for them.

That’s exactly what we’ve been doing, and to good results — the highest growth rate in the country, the lowest unemployment rate in the coun- try, successive balanced budgets, a $40 billion private sector investment in the north, working with Indigenous people to bring true reconciliation to British Columbia — so that we can all benefit from this spectacular place we call home. Mr. Speaker:The member for Abbotsford West on a second supplemental. M. de Jong: Look, I don’t think the Premier should….

Probably he’s not worried about the indignance on this side of the House, but he probably should be worried about the indignance of British Columbians who have today learned that his response to a presidential edict in a foreign country that precludes them from participating in a project that he’s using their tax dollars to help finance…. That’s what they’re going to be indignant about. Maybe it’s not all the Premier’s fault. I mean, I have to believe that his intrepid Trade Minister briefed him on the presidential edict.

I can’t believe his Trade Minister would let him go to a foreign country without briefing him on the fact that the edict had been applied. And while he’s talking to his Trade Minister, when he gets around to doing that, ask him to tell him about the softwood lumber agreement negotiated by the previous government. One last bit of advice for the Premier, though I’m sure he’s not inclined to take it. When you are a leading a province, when you are leading a people in a trade dispute, you don’t wait for an invitation from the other guys to raise the issue.

Will the Premier demonstrate to this House and to British Columbians and families in forest-dependent communities that he at last recognizes the role he plays, show some lead- ership — this is British Columbia’s file; we have the bulk of Thursday, February 28, 2019 British Columbia Debates 7345

the softwood lumber trade in Canada — and not default to the Premier of New Brunswick? Hon. J. Horgan:It looks like the Abbotsford West leader- ship juggernaut is up again — third chance at it. Didn’t make it the first time. Didn’t make it the second time. But I think you’ve got a pretty good chance here, unless you dabbled in renting when you were a child or unless you dabbled in the rental market, unless you want to support the people who live in coastal ferry-dependent communities. Then you might have a little bit of trouble. But I wish the member well in his third try to become leader of the moribund B.C.

Lib- eral Party. Having said that…. Interjections. Mr. Speaker:Members. Hon. J. Horgan:I would argue, again, that when it comes to taking on Donald J. Trump, I think the presentation by Mr. Cohen yesterday was far more persuasive than that of the member from Abbotsford. [10:50 a.m.] COMPENSATION TO GUIDE-OUTFITTERS FOR MOOSE HUNTING REDUCTION D. Barnett:Last November I wrote to the Minister of Forests on behalf of 13 guide-outfitters who have had their moose allocations cancelled by this government.

He acknowledged his ministry was “looking at the compensa- tion issue. ” It’s now February, and these guide-outfitters have yet to hear back from the minister. To the Minister of Forests, Lands, Natural Resources and Rural Development, when will the minister follow through on his promise to compensate these guide-outfitters? Hon. D. Donaldson:I thank the member for her letter advocating on behalf of some of the constituents that live in her constituency. The issue of moose management is a very important issue. We’ve been taking measures to ensure that the moose pop- ulations are sustainable.

I know the guide-outfitters are very interested in that, as well as local First Nations. I want to ensure the member knows that with the Tsilhqot’in National Government, we’ve been in contact and in conversations and, in fact, working with them on the issue of moose man- agement as it relates to not just their own needs but to the needs of guide-outfitters. I want to say that it’s an inclusive process. In fact, the pres- ident of the B.C. Wildlife Federation commends us. “Y ou and your staff are to be congratulated for your efforts to resolve issues around moose and moose-hunting in the Tsil- hqot’in territory.

On behalf of the B.C. Wildlife Federation, I am grateful for your even-handed effort in trying to resolve this exceedingly difficult situation. ” Mr. Speaker:The member for Cariboo-Chilcotin on a supplemental. D. Barnett:For many of the guide-outfitters, the can- celled moose allocation represented their only source of income. This government made a commitment to these guide-outfitters and their families. They should honour that commitment. When will the minister provide the financial compensa- tion he promised? Hon. D.

Donaldson:Our ministry officials are working with the guide-outfitters on this topic as we speak. The big- ger issue, of course, is moose management. We’re taking con- trol of that in a way that was never done under this other opposition government. ASSISTANCE FOR CASE OF FLOODING AND W ATER CONTAMINATION T. Stone:Tiffany and Devin Wilson and their three chil- dren, ages one to nine, have lived on their current property in rural B.C. near Chase for eight years.

For the last two years, they’ve experienced extreme groundwater flooding of their home and property due to a creek on adjacent Crown land rising during freshet. Unfortunately, this is all happen- ing as a result of activities approved by FLNRO. FLNRO and MOTI decided to riprap ditches to protect MOTI infrastructure. However, when asked about making a similar fix to the creek to protect the Wilsons’ home, the family was told by FLNRO: “The province would not be fix- ing the creek when it’s only affecting one family. ” Here’s what Tiffany Wilson has to say: “Our well is con- taminated when Archer brook flows.

We are unable to drink or cook with our water. We were advised by the public health nurse that we should vaccinate our children against hep A, as they’re bathing in contaminated water. Our basement has now been completely destroyed two years in a row. Our property is a danger zone for our children, as there are streams of water and standing water everywhere. We fear for the health of our children. ” Now, the FLNRO minister knows the details of this fam- ily’s plight from multiple letters that I personally hand- delivered to him back in July.

This is a family that’s trying to raise their kids in a safe, healthy home. They’re stressed and exhausted, and they’re facing significant financial hardship. My question to the minister is this. Will the minister step in before the Wilsons are flooded out again in the coming months? [10:55 a.m.] Hon. D. Donaldson:Thank you for the question. I know the member has come to meet with me on, I think, at least 7346 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

two occasions, maybe three. We’ve exchanged correspond- ence, and we’ve also had one-on-one conversations around this topic. The approach I take as a minister in this new gov- ernment is that my door is always open to members on the other side to have discussions like this. I’ve directed staff — and he knows this — to look into this issue. They visited the family. They visited the site. They have looked at the flooding situation. Many of the reasons that the floods are being experienced on the property, which was not flooded in previous times, are activities outside of the land base of the actual property.

If the member has new information that he wants to sit down and discuss with me, I’ d be more than happy to have a look at it. [End of question period.] Government Motions on Notice MOTION 3 — COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY TO SIT IN TWO SECTIONS Hon. M. Farnworth:I move the motion standing in my name on the order paper: [That this House hereby authorize the Committee of Supply for this Session to sit in two sections designated

Section A and

Section B; Sec- tion A to sit in such Committee Room as may be appointed from time to time, and

Section B to sit in the Chamber of the Assembly, subject to the following rules: 1. The Standing Orders applicable to the Committee of the Whole House shall be applicable in both Sections of the Committee of Sup- ply save and except that in

Section A, a Minister may defer to a Deputy Minister to permit such Deputy to reply to a question put to the Minister. 2. All Estimates shall stand referred to

Section A, save and except those Estimates as shall be referred to

Section B on motion without notice by the Government House Leader, which motion shall be de- cided without amendment or debate and be governed by Practice Re- commendation #6 relating to Consultation. 3.

Section A shall consist of 17 Members, being 8 Members of the New Democratic Party and 8 Members of the BC Liberal Party and one member of the Green Party. In addition, the Deputy Chair of the Committee of the Whole, or his or her nominee, shall preside over the debates in

Section A. Substitution of Members will be permitted to

Section A with the consent of that Member’s Whip, where applicable, otherwise with the consent of the Member involved. For the fourth session of the Forty-First Parliament, the Members of

Section A shall be as follows: the Minister whose Estimates are under consideration andJagrup Brar, Mitzi Dean, Bob D’Eith, Mable Elmore, Anne Kang, Rick Glumac, Rachna Singh, Simon Gibson, Jane Thornthwaite, Peter Milobar, Coralee Oakes, Mike Morris, Jordan Sturdy, Teresa Wat, Ellis Ross andSonia Furstenau. 4. At fifteen minutes prior to the ordinary time fixed for adjourn- ment of the House, the Chair of

Section A will report to the House. In the event such report includes the last vote in a particular ministerial Estimate, after such report has been made to the House, the Govern- ment shall have a maximum of eight minutes, and the Official Oppo- sition a maximum of five minutes, and all other Members (cumulat- ively) a maximum of three minutes to summarize the Committee de- bate on a particular ministerial Estimate completed, such summaries to be in the following order:

(1) Other Members;

(2) Opposition; and

(3) Government. 5.

Section B shall be composed of all Members of the House. 6. Divisions in

Section A will be signalled by the ringing of the divi- sion bells four times. 7. Divisions in

Section B will be signalled by the ringing of the divi- sion bells three times at which time proceedings in

Section A will be suspended until completion of the division in

Section B. 8.

Section A is hereby authorized to consider Bills referred to Com- mittee after second reading thereof and the Standing Orders applic- able to Bills in Committee of the Whole shall be applicable to such Bills during consideration thereof in

Section A, and for all purposes

Section A shall be deemed to be a Committee of the Whole. Such re- ferrals to

Section A shall be made upon motion without notice by the Minister responsible for the Bill, and such motion shall be decided without amendment or debate. Practice Recommendation #6 relating to Consultation shall be applicable to all such referrals. 9. Bills or Estimates previously referred to a designated Committee may at any stage be subsequently referred to another designated Committee on motion of the Government House Leader or Minister responsible for the Bill as hereinbefore provided by Rule Nos. 2 and 8.] Motion approved. J. Sturdy:I rise to table a petition. Mr. Speaker:Proceed. Petitions J.

Sturdy:The Highline Road is a spectacular high-elev- ation road that connects the communities of D’ Arcy and Nequatque with Seton Portage and Shalalth. For decades, the province denied it was a public road, but the courts determ- ined otherwise, and it is indeed an MOTI responsibility. Today I submit a petition signed by 574 hard-working people of the region, who rely on the road for services, employment and community connection.

They ask that the ministry live up to its obligation and upgrade the road stand- ard, add road-surfacing material and increase the frequency of grading and snow clearing, all in the name of safety and community-building. The Highline Road is very suitably named, and I would be happy to tour the minister through the magnificent coun- try so she can understand the challenges these community members face every day. Orders of the Day Hon. M. Farnworth:I call continued debate on the budget. [R.

Chouhan in the chair.] Deputy Speaker:Members, those who don’t have a House duty, maybe you can either leave or be quiet. [11:00 a.m.] Thursday, February 28, 2019 British Columbia Debates 7347

Budget Debate (continued) S. Bond: I appreciate the opportunity to respond to the 2019 budget. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been in the Legislature. These are always important opportunities, and I think that all of us recognize what a humbling experience it is to be elected and to be able to stand in this chamber and speak on behalf of the constituents that sent you here. I want to begin by thanking all members of the House for the comments that they’ve provided on the budget. Obvi- ously, I don’t agree with all of them, and that isn’t surprising to anyone.

But it is important that we have an opportunity to stand in this place. I think that at times we’re concerned when we hear differences, when we hear people that agree with elements of the budget. There are people who speak very strongly and passionately in this place. In fact, that’s exactly what should be expected, and it should be welcomed. This is a place where each person who is elected brings their perception, their ideas and their support from the con- stituents that sent them here. We were elected to do just that — to come to this House and to speak on behalf of our con- stituents.

On that note, like other members of this chamber, I want to say how incredibly grateful I am to the people of Prince George–Valemount. I cannot be more proud to represent the people in that incredible region of British Columbia. I con- tinue to be thankful for their faith in me and for the incred- ible resilience they show. I’m very proud to be the member for Prince George–Valemount. The observations of MLAs from all parts of the province matter. I think when we look at this budget, as we will have more conversation about in the next few minutes, that input is essential.

It’s even more important when you look at the balance of members in this House and where they geograph- ically represent. We have members from urban British Columbia, rural British Columbia. It is important that, in a budget, we see all of those regions reflected, and that’s why commentary in this House matters, because not everyone has the same experi- ence in British Columbia. We live in different places. My rid- ing is basically the size of Belgium. It takes a lot of time and energy to visit all of the parts of my riding,

whereas some members in this House represent very small, urban ridings. We bring different perspectives. I want to recognize the minister…. I also want to congrat- ulate the Minister of Finance. She has delivered her second complete budget, and I want to thank her for…. At the beginning of her comments and in her budget speech, she spoke a little bit about her own personal experience — in fact, growing up just a few blocks away from the Legislature.

I always appreciate when ministers and members of this place talk a little bit about their own personal experience because, first of all, it’s never easy to do, and as much time as we spend in this place, we rarely know very much about each other. I want to thank her for being personal and shar- ing some of her own background. It served as an important reminder for me that our values are often shaped at a very early age and that all of those experiences better prepare us for our future challenges in life. So I do want to begin by recognizing the minister.

I also want to thank her staff and the ministry, because we know this: it takes hard work to put together a budget. In fact, a budget represents an incredible amount of work and consumes the ministry for many months. We’ve certainly had that experience. On a personal note again, I, like others in the chamber, want to recognize my family for their continuous support and particularly for the forgiveness they have for missing those big days. All of us go through that experience. Y ou know, they’re pretty fantastic at being willing to adjust dates and making things work.

There are more of those special dates coming up. In fact, soon Bill and I will celebrate our 40th wedding anniversary. I am hoping that won’t be one of the big days that I have to miss. [11:05 a.m.] I also want to thank our hard-working staff in both Prince George and Victoria for their dedication and their effort on a daily basis. I want to send a special get-well-soon wish to Krystine in my Prince George office, as she recovers from unexpected surgery, and to Dorothy for working so hard to carry the load while Krystine recuperates.

Before I go on to the balance of my comments, I do want to recognize my co-critic, the member for Surrey–White Rock. She has an excellent history and background. She comes from an executive background in the financial ser- vices sector and provides me and our caucus with invaluable insight and advice. In this budget cycle, we decided to switch roles. My col- league provided the initial response to the budget, and it is now my opportunity to make a few remarks as we get ready to end the budget debate.

But I can assure you, my co-critic and I look forward to continuing to examine the budget doc- ument in even greater detail, as we enter the estimates phase. When I think about this budget, I look at the content and the context of this budget. I have to say that the devil is, of course, always in the detail. My colleague and I — and, in fact, members of this House and British Columbians — cer- tainly discovered that after the rollout of this minister’s 2018 budget. We’ll talk a little bit about that. However, much has changed in the course of the year, especially the outlook for the economy.

As difficult as it is to say, we need to recognize — in this place and in the policies that we make and the decisions that we make — that storm clouds are beginning to gather globally. According to DeloitteInsights most recent analysis, global economic growth peaked in 2018, and a slowdown is inevit- able. The economic threats looming on the horizon are well known. And, in fact, today in question period, we talked about one of them: U.S. protectionism, including the ongo- ing softwood lumber dispute. It does not appear to be reced- 7348 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

ing, despite the recently signed U.S.-Canada-Mexico trade agreement, which itself remains unratified. The fallout from Brexit threatens to disrupt not only the United Kingdom and the European Union but will further market volatility on a global scale. And, of course, we will certainly feel the impact of a shrinking growth outlook in Asia and, in particular, in China. Here in Canada we are not immune. Just in the last few weeks, Payless shoes is closing all 248 Canadian stores, including two in Prince George and four in the minister’s own riding in Victoria.

Hudson’s Bay is shutting down all 37 Home Outfitters across the country. And General Motors closure of the Oshawa assembly plant is telltale of rapid changes to Ontario’s traditional manufacturing base. In addition, Alberta continues to struggle by selling oil at a discount to it’s only customer, the United States. As we all know, all of this is because of ongoing pipeline disputes that prevent the sale of Canadian energy products overseas — something that this government knows an awful lot about. So what does that matter, Mr. Speaker? How does all of this impact the provincial economy in British Columbia.

Well, it’s because we are not an island that stands alone isol- ated from the global economy. If anything, one of the things about our province is that we have one of the most highly diversified provincial economies in the country. And that means we need to be paying attention to those global storm clouds that are gathering. Because we stand to lose the most from a downturn in overseas markets, especially in Asia. My point is that British Columbia has benefited from a strong economic performance with our trading partners abroad.

But there is a risk in assuming that the strength of our economic momentum will last forever, because if there’s one thing we know, it won’t. [11:10 a.m.] That causes us a great deal of concern. As the minister is well aware, the meltdown of the global economy in 2008 is absolutely proof of that, yet this minister and this govern- ment appear to shun the basic principles of financial plan- ning: prudence, caution and being mindful — acutely aware — of factors outside of this government’s control. All of these are absent in Budget 2019.

I’m sure it will come as no sur- prise to you that my comments today will outline the reasons why I and this side of the House will not be supporting the budget that the Finance Minister tabled just days ago. That being said, I do want to recognize several things that members on our side of the House appreciate and support in the budget as presented. We know that it’s important to care for the most vulnerable. One of the most difficult things to do in this Legislature is to stand and listen to the partisan comments that suggest that the previous government paid no attention to people in British Columbia.

The fact of the matter is: that is not true. Today I want to take a moment to reflect on two things, in particular, that we are appreciative of in this minister’s budget. The increased support for foster parents and, in addition, the extension of those same benefits to extended family, who support children and keep them out of care. Every member in this House cares about vulnerable families, about vulnerable children. The difference is how we, through our policy-making and through the budgets we table, reflect that. I do want to give the government credit for that partic- ular initiative.

Secondly, all of us in our communities, all of us in our families, all of us have been touched by the issue of having a loved one, a friend or a colleague who’s dealing with mental health and addictions issues. So we welcome the initiative to create a distinct program for child and youth mental health, with a $74 million investment. Those are the kinds of things that do make a difference for British Columbians, and those are the kinds of things that all of us in this House should stand up and be supportive of. Every budget is like that.

Every budget has items that have merit and that can be supported by the entire House. It is important for us to recognize some of those things today. However, there are many items contained in this budget that cause me great concern. I will address some of those. But what concerns me the most is what doesn’t appear in this budget. This budget lacks some of the same substance as the government’s ill-fated throne speech. Budget 2019 has some deficiencies. If I were to characterize this budget in just one sentence, I would have to say that it is a high-risk budget.

While it appears to be balanced on paper, British Columbians should be aware that it would not have been possible without a one- time federal transfer payment of $1.6 billion. Let’s look at why and where that money came from. This money came as a result of the province’s higher-than-anti- cipated economic performance in 2017, which generated extra credit when the final numbers came in. That happened in 2017. It happened as a result of the economic circum- stances of this province in 2017. Suffice it to say, there is absolutely no guarantee that that will happen again.

Budget 2019 contains significant spending, increased debt and ongoing tax increases. Budget 2019 affirms this government’s rather alarming rate in program spending — a 26 percent increase, to be precise — and all of this within the last 18 months since this minister took office. The risk seems so obvious. [11:15 a.m.] In the event of an economic downturn…. Let’s go back to the beginning of my comments. Those warnings are already being issued — that the momentum of the economy simply cannot continue.

In the event of an economic downturn, how on earth will this government sustain this rate of spend- ing without resorting to deficit financing? We all know, by looking at the budget documents, that the projected surpluses are razor-thin. Again, there is absolutely no room for error or allowance for unpredictable econom- ic challenges, unpredictable events such as another record Thursday, February 28, 2019 British Columbia Debates 7349

wildfire season or extensive flooding. Those kinds of things could tilt the balance back into red ink. Oddly enough, the Premier made the following observa- tion during the height of last year’s wildfires. “Clearly, the traditional means of budgeting for fire season is laughable, and it’s not something that’s just developed in the last 13 months. It’s been going on for 30 years. Choose an arbitrary number, put it in the books, and hope for the best. ” Well, clearly, the Minister of Finance didn’t take heed of what the Premier said about that.

Budget 2019 only makes accommodation for $101 million in 2019 — yes, that’s pro- gress; we’re seeing some change — yet we have the benefit of knowing exactly how much those wildfires cost the province in the last two record-breaking wildfire seasons. In 2017, it was $648 million. In 2018, it was $615 million, despite only having $63 million in the budget. How will the minister account for this a year from now?

Let’s remember the reason this budget is balanced, on paper, is largely because of a $1.6 billion federal transfer based on economic circumstances that were generated in 2017, and there is absolutely no guarantee that that will be repeated. If all of this is sounding fairly familiar, it should. It’s pretty much the same playbook that was used the last time this government was in power. And what was the end result? The last time the NDP was in government, they managed to take our province from first to worst in Canada.

In fact, if you can imagine, this proud, incredible province was releg- ated to have-not status, where we became recipients of feder- al equalization payments. That is an embarrassment for this province, and it was totally avoidable. That’s the risk of pay- ing attention to one side of the ledger: the spending side. The same applies to the debt. Many constituents approach me, and I’m sure my col- leagues, and ask how the minister can claim the budget is balanced yet still add $14.5 billion to the provincial debt over the next three years. Of that, $10 billion represents taxpayer- supported debt.

It’s one thing to borrow and invest in public infrastructure, but it’s quite another to open the floodgates to the point where we could potentially reach a 90 percent debt-to-revenue ratio, all the while ignoring the signs of a slowing economy. I know this government certainly didn’t like to talk about things like our triple-A credit rating. To be sure, the previous government, this side of the House, faced unending criticism from the NDP for placing a focus on the province’s enviable credit reputation, including our efforts to wipe out B.C. ’s operating debt.

And yesterday, in this very chamber, one of the members on the opposite side of the House stood up and celebrated the elimination of the operating debt as if it had happened overnight under the watch of this government. Well, I want to point out that while a triple-A credit rating may not be top of mind for the governing side, I do know this: no one pays attention to a triple-A credit rating until you no longer have one. The impacts of a potential credit downgrade would have a significant impact on the province’s finances.

One need look no further than the risk of our pro- vincial debt on a per-capita basis. [11:20 a.m.] Over the course of this minister’s fiscal plan, taxpayer- supported debt will increase from a current $1,595 per per- son to an astonishing $10,401 worth of debt for every British Columbian over the course of this government’s fiscal plan, and that’s in just three years. And that’s not even the worst of it. When you take into account the total spending plan, that number increases from the current $2,265 per person to $15,871 for every single British Columbian in just three years.

I can assure you of this: that will attract the attention of credit-rating agencies. Y et the primary source of revenue that this government appears to rely on is what they can extract from taxpayers in the form of income and carbon tax and an increased burden on the private sector. That is simply not responsible. It is not sustainable. To support this government’s spending plan, there have been no less than 19 new and increased taxes since this government assumed office less than two years ago. These increases began in the 2017 budget update, then Budget 2018 and rolled right into Budget 2019.

Two of the most prom- inent tax measures, the speculation tax and the employer health tax, stumbled out of the gate and required serious revisions just months later. After considerable opposition from the private and public sectors, we arrived at the current form of both taxes — muted yet still deeply flawed. In the process, the spec tax and the EHT have generated considerable confusion in real estate markets and placed a heavy burden on both business and local government.

For a government that has launched in excess of three or four dozen program reviews since they assumed office 18 months ago, the failed launch of both taxes is nothing less than remarkable. Even to a casual observer, this indicates a complete lack of preparation, no public consultation and a willingness to apparently just make up tax policy on the fly without any regard for unintended consequences or the damage caused by uncertainty. Indeed, the general disposition of this gov- ernment, reflected in their budgets, seems to be: raise taxes first; ask questions later.

Well, I can assure you, we’re going to continue to ask questions — tough questions — because we know from experience that the devil is always in the details. Let’s quickly look at the speculation tax. When it was introduced by the Finance Minister in her 2018 budget, Brit- ish Columbians were told it will only target foreign and domestic speculators. She kept reassuring British Columbi- ans that 99 percent of homeowners don’t need to worry.

Well, that was until the middle of January, when 1.6 mil- lion taxpayers suddenly discovered that they would indeed be captured by the speculation tax unless they file annual exemptions to prove to this government that they are not speculators. Failure to do so will result in homeowners being charged the maximum rate. This is quite simply negative- option billing, similar to what cable companies attempted to 7350 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

do in the 1990s until the federal government outlawed the practice. I can only imagine what’s going to happen when the tax bills start arriving on people’s doorsteps. There are countless other examples of how the spec tax is penalizing hard-working British Columbians, and I know for a fact that members on the government bench are hear- ing those stories too. Y et we have not seen one of them — not one single one of them — stand up in this House and raise a single concern. Not one. So we have a so-called speculation tax, which we know is really a tax on assets. The employer health tax.

As I had mentioned, this is a government that’s fond of launching dozens of program reviews. A case in point is the MSP Task Force chaired by Dr. Lindsay Tedds. It also included former NDP Finance Minis- ter Paul Ramsey. In the weeks before the minister came out with her budget, the 2018 Budget, the task force had released their interim report telling the province that under any cir- cumstance, the province should not adopt a new replace- ment tax until the MSP was completely eliminated.

Y et within a few weeks, this minister, the Minister of Fin- ance, blindsided the business community and municipal governments with the introduction of a new employer health tax that she had received specific advice not to introduce. No adequate preparation, no public consultation. It has a pretty familiar ring to it. [11:25 a.m.] The EHT was just another prime example of a failed tax policy that this government introduced. Worst of all, the minister continues to charge MSP on top of the EHT through 2019.

This double-dip approach to tax policy is apparently one of the few revenue generation plans we have seen from this government — no economic strategy, no jobs plan and 19 new or increased taxes. British Columbians are also led to believe that the govern- ment will turn around the financial prospects of B.C. Hydro and ICBC in just one year. Unrealistically ambitious, if not downright naive. Make no mistake about it. Taxpayers will be hit with high- er property taxes because municipal governments have no other options to cover the increased costs, not to mention higher costs for goods and services.

The list goes on. How can this possibly be interpreted as making life more afford- able for British Columbians? Then we get to the carbon tax. In 2017, the minister launched a series of four consecutive increases to the carbon tax. At the very same time, despite announcing increases, she abandoned the revenue-neutral feature of the carbon tax. In this budget alone, the government will collect $6 billion in carbon tax revenue, and to date, we have seen very little transparency on where that money will go. But what we do know is that less than 15 percent of that revenue will be used for CleanBC.

The remaining 85 percent of the carbon tax will go into general revenue. I seem to recall this minister saying taxpayers didn’t mind paying a little more as long as the revenue went specifically to green initiatives. Well, surprise, British Columbians. That promise isn’t being kept either. I guess the devil really is in the details. As I said earlier in my remarks, this should be considered a high-risk budget. It’s only balanced because of a one-time federal transfer payment and the carbon tax going through the roof. The spending commitments contained in this budget are significant.

And where are all the more expensive promises, the undelivered campaign promises that are not reflected in the budget? British Columbians were told there would be a $10-a-day daycare program. Today you have to be the win- ner of a lottery, basically, to be one of those lucky daycares that has been selected by this government. In other words, winners and losers for families in British Columbia. And where did the $400 renter’s annual rebate go? There is a wide range of capital projects previously announced by this government — hospitals, highways, schools — simply missing.

The capital plans laid out in Budget 2019 — nowhere to be found. It is one thing to have lots of photo ops, but there are MLAs in this House who are deeply concerned that much-needed infrastructure has simply fallen off the list of priorities of this government. On top of that, business confidence is dropping in the province. Investors are uncertain about whether or not B.C. remains a good place to invest. Housing starts are projected to drop. Natural resource revenues are projected to drop by 30 percent.

And miraculously, ICBC is going to go from a deficit of $1.8 billion in the current fiscal year to a positive balance of $50 million. Well, batten down the hatches, British Columbia. This is a government that can see the looming storm clouds on our economic horizon, just like everyone else, yet they want you to believe that everything’s going to be okay. Let’s end with this. Here’s what Jock Finlayson of the B.C. Business Council had to say about Budget 2019: “I think the government, in this budget, is coasting a bit on what has been a fairly strong economy.

What we do see is a material slowdown in the U.S. and globally. I don’t think this budget takes enough account of the economic risks that are there. ” So you don’t have to take my word for it or that of the mem- bers on this side of the House. The business sector, economists, are saying it’s time to pay attention. Y et this budget represents an expression of unyielding optimism. The Finance Minister keeps saying: “Don’t worry. Be happy. ” Well, British Columbians deserve a government that isn’t content to cross their fingers and hope the economic situation doesn’t deteriorate.

Frankly, this budget is long on spending, increased taxes and a growing debt load. Sadly, it leaves British Columbians vulnerable in a time when there is a growing concern about a slowing global economy. [11:30 a.m.] When this government took office, they inherited the strongest economy and the No. 1 job-creating jurisdiction in Canada. That’s correct. They inherited the situation. And despite the minister standing in the House taking credit for Thursday, February 28, 2019 British Columbia Debates 7351

that, we all know it didn’t happen in 18 months. The devil is in the details. Batten down the hatches, British Columbia. Hon. M. Mark:I’ d like to acknowledge that we’re gather- ing on the traditional territory of the Lekwungen-speaking people, members of the Esquimalt and Songhees First Nations.Simgigat, Sigidimhaanak, K’uba Wilksihlkw. I’ d like to acknowledge the matriarchs, the leaders in these cham- bers. I’ d like to thank the member opposite and all the mem- bers who have spoken to this budget, Budget 2019, a budget that makes life better. When I stand in these chambers, I never forget where I came from.

I never forget the fact that I was raised in the projects by a single mother, as an Indigenous east side kid who went to Van Tech, who knew a thing or two about going without. I’m a proud mother. I’m proud to be Nisga’a. I’m honoured to have the opportunity to stand in these cham- bers to be an advocate on behalf of Vancouver–Mount Pleas- ant and Indigenous people across this province. When I think about this budget making people’s lives bet- ter, I think about what 50 bucks means to people. When you have nothing, 50 bucks can go a long way.

But before I con- tinue, I want to acknowledge something, because this budget is about values. And my values are…. I didn’t get here alone. I want to thank my mom, who is my constituent. I want to thank my grandparents for their resilience and strength as Indigenous people, who taught me to work hard, fight hard and to never forget who I am. I am the member for Vancouver–Mount Pleasant, a diverse riding that has faced challenges. I have a constituency office at 1st and Commercial, the Drive. People love the Drive because it represents our eclectic diversity.

I want to acknowledge my staff who open the doors every day, Carven and Amy; Kevin; the volunteers that help out in my office. I want to thank my ministry staff who help me every day — Cindy, Mike, Negin. I’m surrounded by people that are paddling with me. I am not here alone. I am here with the expectation that I am going to make a difference in people’s lives, and I take that duty and honour very seriously. So again, I am standing here with the values of gratitude. It is my privilege to stand here, not only as the MLA but as the Minister for Advanced Education, Skills and Training. [Mr.

Speaker in the chair.] Before I continue, I want to talk about what I think the themes are of this budget. The theme is the policies…. The announcement is about making good public policy. I’ve listened to the members opposite shrill about the fishnets and how we’re overspending and we’re bloated and we’re going back to the ’90s. I have a different version of this budget. Barack Obama wrote a book calledThe Audacity of Hope. I stand in these chambers with hope that if you make decisions with people in mind, people’s lives will get better.

So I have a different version of truth in the way I see this budget and how it impacts people in Vancou- ver–Mount Pleasant. I am thinking about the child care centres, thinking of the Woodward’s building. I used to go to the Woodward’s build- ing when I was a young kid, when there were dollar days. I’m thinking about the poverty reduction strategy that we were committed to doing because it’s going to benefit people. I’m thinking about that $50, that extra $50 to my constituents and people across British Columbia. A small amount can go a long way.

And again, I will never forget where I came from. [11:35 a.m.] Foster parents. Before I got into politics, I was an advocate for children. Why? Because I wanted the rights of children in care to be upheld. In this budget, we extended a policy to ensure that extended family members can get the same rates as foster parents. That is good public policy. It was a recom- mendation from Grand Chief Ed John. We acted quickly because it was the right thing to do. I think about levelling the playing field and increasing benefits for foster parents. I’m not the only one who thinks that’s a good idea.

Even the members opposite agree that lev- elling the playing field is good public policy. I think about this budget and education and seismic upgrades to Lord Strathcona, with a $25 million investment. I think about the 380 homes that are now in Mount Pleasant. I think about my constituents who had to sleep on the streets, who have faced homelessness. Let’s not forget what brings people there. Let’s never forget that people don’t wake up homeless, that those 380 beds are making a difference for people in Mount Pleasant.

I’m thinking about the $400 million investment through the B.C. child opportunity benefit for kids going all the way up to 18. I’m going to pause for a minute. It won’t be clawed back. We are making decisions to lift people up. This budget is about “Lift as we climb. ” It’s balanced. We have a triple-A rating. But it’s all about people. If you create good oppor- tunities, you get good outcomes, if you invest in people. The audacity of the members opposite to act like if you invest in people, there will be consequences — the fear that goes along with investing in people.

Well, there’s a consequence if you fail to invest in people, if you continue to leave them behind. When it comes down to kids, I will always stand on their side. I’m the mother of two children. I want to say hi to my young, beautiful daughters, Maya and Makayla, and my hus- band, Cassidy. I wouldn’t be here without you. Thank you for your sacrifice so I can stand in these chambers and be a voice for Vancouver–Mount Pleasant and the Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Training. I signed up for this job to make a difference. I want to thank the Minister of Finance. She’s a Métis woman.

She’s an Indigenous woman. She stood in these chambers with the NDP government. It’s balanced. It’s about people. It’s a game changer. It’s going to make people’s lives better. 7352 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

On another note about Vancouver–Mount Pleasant, there’s going to be more access to justice through pilot pro- grams that are going to level the playing field. There’s going to be a $76 million investment in mental health. There are going to be retrofits — $902 million to reduce our green- house gas emissions. There isn’t enough time in these chambers to talk about all the amazing things that are happening through Budget 2019, but I want to highlight four things, as the Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Training. Tuition-free adult basic education.

Free tuition for adult basic education is going to continue. There are no cuts. We are not going back to the decisions that were made in 2013. We are going to continue investing in people. We are going to continue investing in tech seats — 2,900 tech seats, the biggest lift in a decade. I know we don’t want to talk about the last 16 years, but let’s talk about the last ten. Student housing, half a billion dollars in student housing. We’ve invested in almost 1,200 beds in the last 19 months, and we’ve got more to come. The highlight of this budget for me, and all the thank- you letters that came from students….

It’s even benefitting Keith Baldrey, our legislative reporter for Global. It made the front page of the newspapers. Guess what it is. We eliminated interest on B.C. student loans. That is good public policy. Thank you very much for the opportunity to talk about how we are making life better for British Columbians. Haawa. Mr. Speaker:Minister of Finance. [11:40 a.m.] Hon. C. James:I see no further speakers, so I’ll close off the debate. I want to thank the members for their comments and for their interest in getting involved in debating the budget.

While I certainly didn’t agree with all the comments that were made, and I’m not going to go through all of those pieces, I think it is a very important process that we go through in this legislative chamber. It is a very important role that both government and opposition play in debating, holding the government accountable and putting forward their ideas and approaches. It’s a key part of our democracy. So I want to say how much I appreciate the discussion and the debate.

I also want to say that I really appreciated the opportunity for members’ comments that they brought forward and advocacy that they brought forward on behalf of their com- munities. Again, each of us comes to this place from a com- munity, elected by a community, and brings forward the advocacy and the important issues from their community. That’s a critical part, again, of our democracy and a critical part for government to pay attention to because those voices are important and are reflected in this Legislature.

Just as I do when I listen to those discussions during the budget debate, just as we do formally through the Select Standing Committee on Finance, I will continue, and our government will continue, to listen to those voices, regard- less of whether we agree or disagree, to take the opportunity to be able to hear the feedback, to hear the ideas and, yes, to hear the criticisms that come forward. I, again, believe that that’s an important part of democracy. Budget 2019 continues the work that we began in Budget 2018, and that was built on listening to the people in British Columbia.

I’m putting their needs first each and every day. Y ou know, when we became government, the people of the province very clearly said that they wanted and expected a government to reflect the critical issues that were facing them. They wanted us to address those issues. So we got star- ted as a government. Certainly in 2018, two of the key issues, as you know from our previous budget, were child care and housing. I just want to comment for a minute, because I’ve heard a few mem- bers on the other side talk about the importance of making sure that there are supports for business and for investment.

I have to tell you that in fact, child care and housing — and this is probably the crux of the difference between the past government and ourselves — are business investment issues. They are, in fact, not only social issues and good for families, good for communities and good for seniors. They’re, in fact, business issues. They are, in fact, issues that are critical for us to continue to grow a sustainable economy. When we see the kind of housing crisis we see in British Columbia, that’s a detriment to growing our economy.

When businesses can’t attract employees, when they can’t retain employees, that’s a detriment to a strong economy. It’s not either-or, as we’ve heard from some on the other side. It’s both. It’s making sure that we make those investments in people to grow a strong economy. That’s what you see in Budget 2019, and you’re really seeing the results.

We’ve got continued strong economic growth; wage growth; lowest unemployment rate in our country; prudence built into the budget, despite what we’ve heard from a few comments on the other side; $1.5 billion in contingencies; $1 billion in forecast allowance; a growth projection below the Economic Forecast Council — again to build in prudence. We are maintaining our strong economy while making key investments in people. I just want to run through a couple of those pieces. I don’t have time to go through all the good news in the budget. I don’t have that opportunity, but I just want to go through a few pieces.

B.C. child opportunity benefit. Eliminating interest on B.C. student loans. Providing stable long-term funding for First Nations communities. Eliminating medical services premiums. Investing in the largest investment in climate action in B.C. ’s history in Clean BC. Continuing our historic investments in a made-in-B.C. child care program and con- tinuing with our 30-point housing plan to ensure that hous- ing is available for all British Columbians. Major capital investment — $20 billion — which will create jobs and build the infrastructure needed across British Columbia.

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$800 million for tax benefit for businesses who are investing in equipment, who want to look at green technologies. It’s a long list. I know that I don’t have time to run through it all. Is there more to do? Y es. No question there’s more to do, and we are going to continue our work. We’re going to continue our work in investing in people to build a strong economy. We’re going to continue investing in a green, clean economy to create jobs and spur on investment. It is a real honour to be Finance Minister for this province.

It’s a real honour to work with our Premier and to work with my colleagues across our caucus and across government. [11:45 a.m.] I want to say a huge thank-you to all of them, because you don’t build a budget by yourself. Y ou build a budget based on the values and the hard work of your team that comes for- ward. So I want to express my huge appreciation to my col- leagues for the incredible work that they do each and every day and the support that they provide to make sure that the ideas and the values are represented in Budget 2019. I want to thank the staff in the Finance Ministry.

The pub- lic is very well served by the civil servants that we have, who represent the public well. I want to express my appreciation to them. Certainly, the staff in my office and my constituency office and my Finance office again provide an extraordinary support. With that, I move, seconded by the hon.

Premier, that the Speaker do now leave the chair for the House to go into Committee of Supply. [11:50 a.m.] Motion approved on the following division: YEAS — 44 Chouhan Kahlon Begg Brar Heyman Donaldson Mungall Bains Beare Chen Popham Trevena Sims Chow Kang Simons D’Eith Routley Ma Elmore Dean Routledge Singh Leonard Darcy Simpson Robinson Farnworth Horgan James Eby Dix Ralston Mark Fleming Conroy Fraser Chandra Herbert Rice Malcolmson Furstenau Weaver Olsen Glumac NAYS — 40 Cadieux de Jong Bond Polak Lee Stone Coleman Wat Bernier Thornthwaite Paton Ashton Barnett Y ap Martin Davies Kyllo Reid Morris Stilwell Ross Oakes Johal Redies Rustad Milobar Sturdy Clovechok Shypitka Hunt Throness Tegart Stewart Sultan Gibson Isaacs Letnick Thomson Larson Foster Hon.

M. Farnworth moved adjournment of the House. Motion approved. Mr. Speaker:This House stands adjourned until 1:30 this afternoon. The House adjourned at 11:53 a.m. 7354 British Columbia Debates Thursday, February 28, 2019

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