Manitoba Hansard — Sitting 32B (40th Legislature, 1st Session)

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First Session - Fortieth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Daryl Reid Speaker Vol. LXIV No. 32B - 1:30 p.m., Thursday, May 10, 2012 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Fortieth Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLAN, Nancy, Hon. St. Vital NDP ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP ASHTON, Steve, Hon. Thompson NDP BJORNSON, Peter, Hon. Gimli NDP BLADY, Sharon Kirkfield Park NDP BRAUN, Erna Rossmere NDP BRIESE, Stuart Agassiz PC CALDWELL, Drew Brandon East NDP CHIEF, Kevin, Hon. Point Douglas NDP CHOMIAK, Dave, Hon. Kildonan NDP CROTHERS, Deanne St.

James NDP CULLEN, Cliff Spruce Woods PC DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk NDP DRIEDGER, Myrna Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FRIESEN, Cameron Morden-Winkler PC GAUDREAU, Dave St. Norbert NDP GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Liberal GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Cliff Emerson PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC HOWARD, Jennifer, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP IRVIN-ROSS, Kerri, Hon. Fort Richmond NDP JHA, Bidhu Radisson NDP KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Swan River NDP LEMIEUX, Ron, Hon. Dawson Trail NDP MACKINTOSH, Gord, Hon. St.

Johns NDP MAGUIRE, Larry Arthur-Virden PC MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor, Hon. Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP McFADYEN, Hugh Fort Whyte PC MELNICK, Christine, Hon. Riel NDP MITCHELSON, Bonnie River East PC NEVAKSHONOFF, Tom Interlake NDP OSWALD, Theresa, Hon. Seine River NDP PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PETTERSEN, Clarence Flin Flon NDP REID, Daryl, Hon. Transcona NDP ROBINSON, Eric, Hon. Kewatinook NDP RONDEAU, Jim, Hon. Assiniboia NDP ROWAT, Leanne Riding Mountain PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron St. Paul PC SELBY, Erin, Hon. Southdale NDP SELINGER, Greg, Hon. St.

Boniface NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC STEFANSON, Heather Tuxedo PC STRUTHERS, Stan, Hon. Dauphin NDP SWAN, Andrew, Hon. Minto NDP TAILLIEU, Mavis Morris PC WHITEHEAD, Frank The Pas NDP WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WIGHT, Melanie Burrows NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC

1017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, May 10, 2012 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Mr. Speaker: Good afternoon, everyone. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 2–The Protecting Affordability for University Students Act (Council on Post-Secondary Education Act Amended) Hon. Erin Selby (Minister of Advanced Education and Literacy): Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the member for Minto (Mr. Swan), that–the Attorney General, that Bill 2, The Protecting Affordability for University Students Act (Council on Post -Secondary Education Act Amended);

Loi sur la protection de l'accessibilité aux études universités (modification de la

Loi sur le Conseil de l’enseignement postsecondaire), be now read for the first time. Motion presented. Ms. Selby: This bill assures affordability, accessibility and quality within our universities. It establishes a clear process to be followed related to professional fees, ancillary fees and other fees to ensure that there are protections for students from unreasonable increases while providing three -year funding to universities to provide predictability for their planning. Mr. Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 20–The Planning Amendment Act (Inland Port Area) Hon.

Ron Lemieux (Minister of Local Government): I move, seconded by the Minister of Entrepreneurship, Training a nd Trade (Mr. Bjornson), that Bill 20, The Planning Amendment Act (Inland Port Area); Loi modifiant la

Loi sur l'aménagement du territoire, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Lemieux : From the outset, all CentrePort participants have agreed t hat a consistent and streamlined development approval process is critical to the success of the inland port. The CentrePort lands are both in Rosser and in Winnipeg, and currently each municipality follows a different development plan process –or approval process, sorry. The Planning Act provides authority for the Province to establish a special planning area by regulation and identify areas of special provincial or regional significance.

When an area is designated as a special planning area, no developmen t can take place in the area unless it is consistent with the planning procedures and requirements identified in the special planning area regulation. Currently, the special planning area provisions of The Planning Act do not apply to the city of Winnipeg. This bill will amend The Planning Act to apply to special planning area provisions to CentrePort lands within the city of Winnipeg. Thank you. Mr. Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Any further bills?

PETITIONS Personal Care Homes and Long-Term Care–Steinbach Mr. Kelvin Goertzen (Steinbach): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly: These are the reasons for the petition: The city of Steinbach is one of the fastest growing communities in Manitoba and one of the largest cities in the province. The growth has resulted in pressure on a number of important services, including personal care homes and long-term care space in the city.

Many long -time residents of the city of Steinbach have been forced to live out their final years outside of Steinbach because of shortage of personal care homes and long-term care facilities. Individuals who have lived in, worked in and contributed to the city of Steinbach their entire lives should not be for ced to spend their final years in a place far from friends and from family.

1018 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To request the Minister of Health to ensure additional personal care homes and long- term care spaces are made available in the city of Steinbach on a priority basis. Mr. Speaker, this is signed by J. Giesbrecht, L. Wiebe, H. Reimer and hundreds of other Manitobans. Mr. Speaker: In accordance with our rules 132(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to have been received by the House. PTH 16 and PTH 5 North–Traffic Signals Mr.

Stuart Briese (Agassiz): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba. And these are the reasons for this petition: The junction of PTH 16 and PTH 5 north is an increasingly busy intersection which is used by motorists and pedestrians alike. The Town of Neepawa has raised concerns with the Highway Traffic Board about safety levels at this intersection. The Town of Neepawa has also passed a resolution requesting that Manitoba Infrastructure and Transportation install traffic lights at this intersection in order to increase safety.

We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To request the Minister of Infrastructure and Transportation to consider making the installation of traffic lights at the intersection of PTH 16 and PTH No. 5 north a priority project in order to help protect the safety of the motorists and pedestrians who use it. This petition is signed by T. Kun, K. Poncsak and S. Burton and many, many other fine Manitobans. Access to Clean Water for Manitoba First Nations Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly.

These are the reasons for this petition: Many Manitobans living in First Nations communities do not have the same access to clean water as the majority of Manitobans. Manitobans living in First Nations communities with poor sanitation experience poor health. Lack of access to clean tap water will continue to increase health risks for Manitobans in First Nations communities. Too little has been done in the last 12 years by the provincial government to ensure all First Nations communities in Manitoba have a dequate water infrastructure.

We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To request the Premier consider advocating and partnering with the federal government to ensure all First Nation communities have access to clean running water for all their homes. To request the Premier to consider working closely with the federal government and First Nations communities to address and erase the massive water infrastructure gap that exists on many First Nations communities in Manitoba. J. Levy, B. Pritchard, M. Bayer and many, many others. TABLING OF REPORTS Hon.

Jennifer Howard (Minister of Family Services and Labour): I'm pleased to table the Supplementary Information for Legislative Review for the Department of Manitoba Family Services and Labour for 2012-2013. Hon. Erin Selby (Minister of Advanced Education and Literacy): I am pleased to table the 2012- 2013 Departmental Expenditure Estimates for Manitoba Advanced Education and Literacy. Hon. Dave Chomiak (Minister charged with the administration of The Manitoba Hydro Act): Yes, I'm tabling 12 copies of the Order Paper questions as contained on the Order Paper. MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Manitoba Day Hon.

Eric Robinson (Minister of A boriginal and Northern Affairs): Mr. Speaker, I rise today to note the upcoming Manitoba Day on May 12th. This year, we not only recognize the 142nd anniversary of the

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1019 province of Manitoba being created, there are also some other important anniversaries worth noting. It is the 200th anniversary of the Selkirk settlers arriving in Manitoba, and a special exhibit commemorating that is on display at the Manitoba Museum. There are numerous other displays and events occurring in recognition of Manitoba Day throughout the province. This year is the 100th anniversary of the in corporation of the Town of The Pas.

One hundred years ago also saw the final expansion of the boundaries of the province of Manitoba to include northern Manitoba. The postage -stamp province reached the 60th parallel and the Hudson Bay. Until then, northern Manitoba was part of the Northwest Territories. Northern Manitoba has a long history of resource development, sadly, much of which did not involve or benefit the residents of that region.

This government has changed the rules of engagement and will continue to partner with communities to maximize local benefits from such development. * (13:40) Even today, much of the region's untapped resources and strategic assets, such as the only northern port in the country, have not been fully considered. Our provincial Northern Development Strategy works with the communities that lack proper infrastructure and job opportunities that exist elsewhere. Earlier today, at a ceremony honouring the 100th anniversary, we heard Métis musician J.J.

Lavallee perform for the first time in public his new song, "Home is Manitoba," a remarkable and appropriate tribute to the significance of this celebration. University of Winnipeg president Dr. Lloyd Axworthy and Dr. Gerry Friesen both spoke on the development of the north. As well, the provincial archives have put on display in the Rotunda of the Legislature some historic maps that show the evolution of the boundaries of this province. We were pleased to hear from descendants of the 1912 Olympic athlete, Joe Keeper, from Norway House.

Following his proud record at the Stockholm, Sweden, Olympics, he went on to serve Canada in World War I. Northern Manitoba has a long record of fostering world-class athletes and war veterans who have served this country with distinction in war and peacetime missions around the world. It is particularly fitting that we recognize these veterans today as this tradition continues. The father of the member from The Pas was one such veteran from World War II, while the member's son, Frank Charles Whitehead, also had a distinguished record of military service.

My own executive assistant, Chad Anderson, in the visitors' gallery today, has served in the United States Marine Corps and has been on numerous tours around the world, including in Iraq in 2008-2009. Personally, I've been honoured to represent most of the east -side communities as the member of Rupertsland, now Kewatinook, since 1993. I have seen first -hand the poverty and challenges many in our province face. In spite of these challenges, we are extremely thankful for living in a prosperous province like Manitoba. The spirit and determination of our citizens is what makes our province a great place to live.

Our government recognizes the value and the importance of northern Manitoba and pledges itself to see the north truly achieve its dreams. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Stuart Briese (Agassiz): Mr. Speaker, I'm pleased to rise today in response to the minister's statement commemorating the 100th anniversary of the final extension of Manitoba' s boundaries. I certainly appreciated the invitation to attend today's event at the Legislature marking this historic occasion. As the minister has noted, arriving at our present-day boundaries took many years.

When Manitoba was established in 1870, it was one-eighteenth the size it is today and was affectionately known as the postage -stamp province. During the next few years, thousands of settlers came to Manitoba to take up homesteads offered to them by the Canadian government. The growth of the west led to the decision to enlarge Manitoba. In 1881 the boundaries were extended to include about five times as much land as the original province. Final expansion north took place on May 12th, 1912, giving us the present-day boundaries.

Marking this anniversary gives us an opportunity to reflect on the importance of northern Manitoba and northern people to our identity. Manitoba's early economic and cultural roots are deeply tied to the north with the development of the fur trade and interaction between Firs t Nations people and European traders. Our Aboriginal communities have

1020 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 formed the bedrock of northern Manitoba. They have been willing partners in initiatives aimed at conserving the environment, fostering economic growth and development, and preserving their culture. Today, the keystone province is a symbol of strength among Canada's continental arch, a place where residents can freely pursue their interests within the parameters of the law established by this fine institution. This celebration provides an opportunity for Manitobans, who now inhabit every corner of this land, to reflect on our past and revel in our future.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Mr. Speaker, I ask leave to speak on the minister's statement. Mr. Speaker: Does the honourable member for River Heights have leave to speak to the ministerial statement? [Agreed] Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Speaker, I rise to join others in celebrating 142 years of Manitoba history. History actually goes back a long time before that, but 142 years ago was when we became a province. And there have been remarkable achievements in the 142 years since then, and we are here to celebrate those.

And, in particular, we're here to celebrate those which occurred in the north, because it's also the 100th anniversary of when the boundaries were extended up to the 60th parallel and to the Hudson Bay. But we also need to remember that there are still many in this province who are suffering. And outside the Legislature just before this Legislature sat, and, I suspect, continue, are representatives from many First Nations communities who were very severely affected by the flood last year, and many of them are still not able to live in their homes and communities. And so, even as we celebrate today, Mr.

Speaker, we need to remember those who continue to suffer because of the circumstances and because of what's happened in the last year. Thank you. ORAL QUESTIONS Tax Increases Government Justification Mr. Hugh McFadyen (Leader of the Official Opposition): Regular Manitobans are angry, and quite rightly so, about the fact that as far as we know to date, four NDP insiders have received preferential treatment in getting free tickets to Winnipeg Jets games through provincial Crown corporations: the Minister of Conservation (Mr. Mackintosh), the Minister of Infrastructure (Mr. Ashton), the Minister of Justice (Mr.

Swan), and now we know, the long- serving chair of Manitoba Hydro, hand-picked by the Premier to play that role. All received privileged access to tick ets and free tickets when they were originally issued. At the same time as NDP insiders are getting free access to Jets games, this Premier brings in a budget with the most punitive tax increase in a quarter century on everyday working Manitobans, the sam e working, average Manitobans who desperately would've loved the opportunity to attend Jets games.

What does the Premier say to those regular Manitobans who are dealing with the most punitive tax increase in a quarter century as his pals line up for the Jets games? Hon. Greg Selinger (Premier): I say two things to the members opposite and the members of the Chamber. First and foremost, the policy of allowing anybody who's on a board or any minister or any MLA–that matter, to receive professional sports hockey tickets in Manitoba, for the first time in the history of this province, that has been put an end to by the members on this side of the House. That's–that is the –that's the big change.

And we still make policy for the members on the other side of the House and how they will set standards for their own caucus. Secondly, Mr. Speaker, with respect to affordability for Manitobans and keeping Manitoba as an affordable place to live, the member might recall that just yesterday we had a minister that brought in a bill that will ensure that Manitoba's auto insurance rates, home heating rates and electricity rates will remain the lowest in the country over the next four years, the lowest in the country. He will also have heard a member stand up today, the Mi nister of Advanced Education (Ms.

Selby), that is bringing in legislation to ensure that tuition fees at post- secondary institutions do not go higher than the rate of inflation. These are real measures to help all Manitobans. Mr. McFadyen : Again, getting past the Premier's rhetoric, the reality is this: after 12 years in power, the NDP government policy is penalize everyday

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1021 working Manitobans with the highest tax increase in a quarter century as NDP insiders get taxpayer-funded, front -row access to Winn ipeg Jets games. I want to ask the Premier if he will explain to Manitobans who are working hard to pay their taxes, who he promised he would protect with no tax increases in the recent election campaign, how he justifies piling on the most punitive tax increase in 25 years, the most punitive increase since Vic Schroeder was in government, at the same time as Vic Schroeder's getting free tickets to Jets games. Mr.

Selinger: I think the Leader of the Opposition's skipping over some very important decisions that were made in this budget. The basic personal exemption for every Manitoban has been increased by $250. The basic personal exemption for every spouse in Manitoba has been increased by $250. The basic personal exemption for every dependant in Manitoba has been increased by $250. The member did not acknowledge that in his description of the budget. * (13:50) The educational property tax credit for senior citizens is at the highest it’s ever been in the history of Manitoba at $1,025.

Our sales tax rema ins the second lowest in the country. Our gas tax remains the second lowest in the country. Manitoba maintains its position as one of the most affordable places to live anywhere in Canada, Mr. Speaker. Mr. McFadyen: Mr. Speaker, the reality of what’s contained in the budget, by the Premier’s own admission, is that government revenue is going up because they’re increasing taxes on working Manitobans. They’re increasing the gas tax, Mr. Speaker. They’re increasing vehicle registration fees. They’re expanding the base of the PST.

They’re increasing a range of other fees and taxes on everyday Manitobans. And, in fact, the tax increase in this budget represents about $184 million, which happens to be equivalent to about $160 for every man, woman, and child in Manitoba. Is it just a coincidence, Mr. Speaker, that the $160 increase in taxes on the people of Manitoba is equivalent to one Jets ticket for his friends across the way? Mr. Selinger: Mr.

Speaker, the increase in the basic personal exemption for every individual, the increase in the basic personal exemption of $250 for every dependent and every spouse, all of those measures were taken to ensure Manitobans remain one of the most affordable places to live in the country. The increase in the propert y tax credit for seniors is very different than what happened when members opposite were in government. They took a property tax credit of $325 and reduced it to $250. We now have a basic property tax credit for every Manitoban of $750 and for seniors, $1,025. The difference is dramatic, Mr.

Speaker: $1.2 billion of tax reductions over our term in office, while members opposite, when they were in office, nickelled and dimed Manitobans every year; their personal disposable income declined every year they were in office. Personal disposable income in Manitoba over the last decade has continuously grown. Manitoba Liquor Control Commission Access to Winnipeg Jets Season Tickets Mr. Ron Schuler ( St. Paul ): Mr.

Speaker, of the 1,408 Manitoba Lotteries Corporation Winnipeg Jets tickets, 176 are unaccounted for; well, that is, except for the tickets that went to the Minister for Infrastructure and Transportation. Of the 440 Manitoba Liquor Control Commission Winnipeg Jets tickets, 320 are unaccounted for; well, that is, except for the tickets that went to the Minister for Conservation. Can the minister responsible for the Manitoba Liquor Control Commission tell us who the other Winnipeg Jets tickets went to, or could he just table the list today? Hon.

Stan Struthers (Minister charged with the administration of The Crown Corporations Public Review and Accountability Act ): This is a good opportunity, again, to remind the member for St. Paul, and all members opposite, that it is this government that is moving forward strongly with a very fair framework that would govern these kinds of situations, Mr. Speaker, that would provide clarity for not only members in this Legislature, all members in this Legislature, but also the Crown corporations. Mr. Speaker, thi s is the first year with our Winnipeg Jets back home where they belong.

I think everyone has learned a lot about that transition to an NHL team. We’re going to learn from that and make

1022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 sure that we have a framework in place that is fair for Manitobans. Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation Access to Winnipeg Jets Season Tickets Mr. Ron Schuler ( St. Paul ): Well, Mr. Speaker, they created the problem and now they have to fix it. Well, of course, they’re going to come out with a policy; they’re the ones who got so deep in the glue that would be expected of them. Of the 340 Manitoba Public Insurance Jets tickets, 168 are unaccounted for; well, that is, except for the tickets that went to the Minister of Justice (Mr. Swan).

Can the Minister of Justice tell u s who the other Winnipeg Jets tickets went to, or will he just table the list? Hon. Stan Struthers (Minister charged with the administration of The Crown Corporations Public Review and Accountability Act ): I suppose the other way to look at this –that if we had followed the advice of members opposite, the Jets wouldn’t have come home in the first place and there wouldn’t be this problem, I guess, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr. Speaker: Order, please. The member for St . Paul has asked a question. I think he’s entitled to hear an answer. Mr.

Struthers: Yes, Mr. Speaker, I noted–I noticed they’re very touchy about that topic. The fact of the matter is a lot of people are very excited about the Winnipeg Jets being here. They're looking forward to–they're looking forward –I'm sure we're all looking forward to a good Blue Bomber season, on both sides of the House.

What we are also looking forward to, and I hope members opposite are also looking forward to, a policy that is clear, that is fair, that is good for Manitobans, that supports professional sports in this town, but at the same time ensures that the tickets that are available are fairly distributed to people who deserve them, not– Mr. Speaker: Order, please. Order. Manitoba Hydro Access to Winnipeg Jets Season Tickets Mr. Ron Schuler ( St.

Paul ): All of the 176 Manitoba Hydro Winnipeg Jets tickets are unaccounted for; well, that is, with the exception of the tickets that went to the former NDP Cabinet minister Vic Schroeder. In the freedom of information request, Manitoba Hydro states that, and I quote: Your request is refused. No definitive list of ticket usage exists. The non-existence of the requested record is a deemed refusal. Just for the record, Manitoba Hydro clearly states that the list is non -existent. However, yesterday in the House, the minister responsible seemed to have knowledge of who did and did not use Winnipeg Jets tickets.

Clearly, he has a list of who got the Winnipeg Jets tickets. Can the minister clarify that the list of Jet tickets recipients does exist, and will he table it today? Hon. Stan Struthers (Minister charged with the administration of The Crown Corporations Public Review and Accountability Act ): It's pretty clear to me that on CJOB the other morning, the member for St. Paul was pretty clear when he said that MLCC and others use them for promotion and that kind of stuff and we have no problem with that. Mr.

Speaker, he has one statement, one position outside of the House, and h e comes into the House with, all of a sudden, a more righteous position. I'm not going to engage in the kind of speculation that the member opposite is doing. What I'm going to tell you, Mr. Speaker, is what we've been consistently saying about this all along, and that is this: This government, not the government previous, not the government that Conservatives could have done something about this situation, not that approach, our approach is to put a framework in place that is fair, a framework in place that is– Mr. Speaker: Order, please.

Order. Cabinet Ministers Payment for Winnipeg Jets Season Tickets Mrs. Mavis Taillieu (Morris): We know that three NDP Cabinet ministers jumped the line to get free Jets tickets, those tickets paid for by hard -working taxpayers of this province. The Finance Minister says all the tickets that were given to the ministers were paid back, but he will not tell us when.

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1023 When did the ministers pay back for these tickets, Mr. Speaker? Hon. Stan Struthers (Minister charged with the administration of The Crown Corporations Public Review and Accountability Act ): Well, it's strange that the member for Morris makes two assumptions. First, she assumes, incorrectly, that the taxpayers paid for these tickets. Then she assumes that the tickets were paid for by the ministers. Well, Mr. Speaker, she's right that the ministers paid for the tickets. The ministers paid for the tickets.

For the member for Morris to try to portray it any other way is just incorrect. But this does lead back to the main fact, and that is that this government is bringing forward a framework that will be fair, a framework that will be clear, and there will be no doubt that ministers and MLAs and executives and board of directors with the Crown corporations wil l be –will not be offered, in the first place, these tickets, and if they are, they will refuse these tickets. Mrs. Taillieu: These three NDP Cabinet ministers did get free Jets tickets paid for by taxpayers of Manitoba.

On April 23rd, the Minister of Transportation (Mr. Ashton) admitted in committee that he took Jets tickets from Manitoba Lotteries for the January 12th game. Just like other ministers, he would not say when he paid for the tickets. Was it before the issu e became public on March 21st? When was the cheque written? * (14:00) Mr. Struthers: Well, again, I would ask the member for Morris to be very careful in the way she terms her questions. She is incorrect to imply, incorrect to maintain, she's incorrect to state, Mr. Speaker, that the members of this Cabinet had tickets paid for by the people of Manitoba.

That is incorrect. I wish she would get that right. But I understand it doesn't fit into the narrative, the political narrative that the members opposite want to promulgate, but the facts don't back up the suppositions made by the member for Morris. Mr. Speaker, we are going –we are bringing forward a policy that's going to be clear. We're the first government to do that. The members opposite wouldn't do it. Members opposite have had the chance over the last few days to say they'd even support us in this, and they've remained quiet on– Mr. Speaker: Order, please. Order. Mrs. Taillieu: Well, Mr.

Speaker, while this government was busy raising taxes on fees on hard-working Manitobans, they were at the front of the line to get Jets tickets. The Minister of Conservation (Mr. Mackintosh) admitted yesterday in Estimates that he got four Jets tickets from MLCC. He said he paid for them in early April, but the Jets game he attended was on February 7th. This minister had no intention of paying back these tickets until it became public that he got those free Jets tickets. Will this minister admit he was going to use the tickets for free until he just got caught? Mr. Struthers: Well, first of all, M r.

Speaker, to try to make the connection between tax increases and Jets tickets is incorrect as well. The Premier (Mr. Selinger) just made it very clear, and given the math that the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. McFadyen) put forward, it's very clear that Manitobans come ahead in Budget 2012. We have a basic personal exemption worth $250 over the next four years, for a total of a thousand dollars.

The facts of the matter are this government will be the first to bring forward a framework that will deal with all of the complaints that the minister–members opposite have and it'll be a fair framework that ensures that Manitobans will have access to Jets tickets and to Blue Bomber tickets. Mr. Speaker: Order. Regional Development Corporations Funding Cancellations Mr. Cameron Friesen (Morden -Winkler): Mr. Speaker, last year in Agriculture Estimates, the minister for Agriculture said that the regional development corporations were really knocking the ball out of the park.

Yet, on April 30th this year, out of the blue, seven regional development corporations received a letter saying their funding is cut by this government. For years, these economic development corporations have contributed to the economic and social well -being of communities across the province. They've been innovative, they've been well managed, they've been well organized and they've done it all with negligible funding from this government. Mr.

Speaker, why has the Minister of Agriculture axed the funding to these seven regional development corporations when his predecessor acknowledged the fine work that they're doing?

1024 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 Hon. Ron Kostyshyn (Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Initiat ives): Thank you for the question being raised by the MLA. I'm very proud to say that regional development corporations have done their job and we've been in existence in the 1960s. And as you know, you know, as time moves along changes have to be addres sed, and today the government has chosen to readdress the issue brought forward and we want to continue working with the local developments.

But I also want to ensure the member that we have alternative agencies and alternative plans to move forward with the community development corporations. Mr. Friesen: Mr. Speaker, the Dear John letter that's sent to the seven regional development corporations says, Manitoba remains committed to the front -line rural economic development services. These seven RDCs recei ved on average a measly 70,000 bucks from this NDP government.

They operated on a shoestring budget, and yet with vision and determination and co- operation and faith that $70,000 was multiplied and went to tourism, business development and project management. Mr. Speaker, how can this minister write a letter saying that he's committed to regional development for rural Manitobans when he's busy pulling the rug out from under them? Mr. Kostyshyn : I'd like to inform the member also–maybe should do some re search. As I said earlier in my comment is the fact that we do have alternative programs that are in place much sooner that's being offered through the previous.

And I'll indicate a couple of them: There is the rural entrepreneurship assistant program through MASC; there is Canadian Manitoba Business Service Centre; Business Start’s loan program; young entrepreneur–or youth entrepreneur programs; but also, Canadian Youth Business Foundation. So what more can we do? We're trying to be accountable. Thank you. Mr. Friesen: Mr. Speaker, I assure the minister that I’ve done my research; on page 135 of the Estimates, it indicates $490,000 cut from this program and only $97,000 restored under a new program, a drop of almost $500,000. Mr.

Speaker, on April the 19th, this Premier (Mr. Selinger) stood up and he said, it's a partnership and the partnership is working; don't break it if it's working. Yet grant assistance for the RDCs has been cut more than in half while ministers are focusi ng on more pressing matters like getting Jets tickets. This program represented only a tiny fraction of Agriculture Department's budget, but rather than cut his department's rising administration costs, this minister cuts a valuable program that's having a working effect, strengthening rural economies and benefiting a larger economy. Mr.

Minister, it's not too late. Will he do the right thing today? Will he restore the funding, put his money where his mouth is and send a message that he is committed to economic development after all? Mr. Kostyshyn: Again, Mr. Speaker–and I just want to ensure that we do have staff in place at our MAFRI staff office who assist, who have –but when we want to talk about economic development in the province of Manitoba, have –has the opposition forgot what happened to the Canadian Wheat Board? How many 'josses' have been lost because of the Canadian Wheat Board?

We want to talk about the upcoming other issues; community pastures. Are you going to affect other people in the worki ng environment in the rural province of Manitoba? I do respect the rural development corporations, but I think there's other issues that we need to address, and I'm–as Agriculture Minister, I will work forward to helping out the Canadian board people that are going to be laid off, as we read recently in the newspaper. Three hundred people will be losing jobs this month. So is the members across not concerned about that as well? Thank you, minister.

Flooding (Lake Manitoba) Regulated Lake Level Standards Mr. Stuart Briese (Agassiz): Mr. Speaker, the regulated levels of Lake Manitoba are supposed to be between 810.5 and 812.5. On May the 7th, the lake was still at 813.4. In 2000– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr. Speaker: I'm asking for the co -operation of all honourable members, please, to allow the member for Agassiz to pose his question. Mr. Briese: In 2011, this NDP government intentionally raised Lake Manitoba to 817.5. That decision caused widespread flooding.

Recently the NDP said that 817.5 is the new standard for Lake Manitoba and that residents, First Nations, farmers and ranchers must build beyond the 817.5 limit. This

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1025 week there has been more confusion over what the final level will be. Mr. Speaker, will the minister admit today that the flood was man-made and intentional and that the new lake levels have nothing to do with reality? Will he admit that he has no clue what the levels of Lake Manitoba should be going forward? Hon. Steve Ashton (Minister responsible for Emergency Measures ): Mr. S peaker, I know the member opposite would want to reflect on what happened last year. We had historic flooding on the Souris River; we had three crests on the Souris River.

We had historic flooding last year on the Assiniboine River in the range of one in 300 –one-in- 350-year flood. And it wasn't just in Manitoba; it was in Saskatchewan, Alberta, and I'd remind the member opposite what happened to our neighbours to the south, and they're still dealing with the terrible flooding in Minot, North Dakota. Mr. S peaker, we had unprecedented rainfall in many areas of the province in May, which already added to significant conditions.

So I don't think the member would want to put on the record anything other than the fact we were dealing with historic flooding condi tions last year, including on Lake Manitoba. And what we do, Mr. Speaker, after every flood, we rebuild; we make sure that we build to the flood of record. I've already put on the record that while that's the interim level, we also have the review which is taking place this year in terms of the lake levels.

There may be a permanent level that is different from that, but I wouldn't want the member opposite to underestimate the degree to which we as Manitobans dealt with unprecedented, historic flooding last year. But we will meet that challenge. * (14:10) Mr. Briese: Mr. Speaker, I just want to remind the minister that they raised the levels of that lake to protect other properties. Mr. Speaker, a few weeks ago the government said Lake Manitoba flood victims have to rebuild to 822 feet.

This week, the minister reiterated that the Lake Manitoba regulation review committee will be making recommendations on operating ranges. The committee may well recommend a level that is lower than what the Province is currently advising flood victims to rebuild to. On Tuesday the reeve of the RM of Grahamdale told the CBC that local governments like hers have difficulty advising people how to proceed because it's unclear what the NDP government is going to set the lake levels at. Mr.

Speaker, will the minister assure flood victims that the new operating levels for Lake Manitoba is established sooner than later so they can start rebuilding? Mr. Ashton : Mr. Speaker, I think it's important, perhaps as we head into Manitoba Day, to remind the member opposite of some of the history in this province of dealing with floods. The historic flood of 1950 led to a commitment to mitigation, Mr. Speaker, but we didn't stop there. When we had the historic flood of 1997, the provincial government worked with the federal government and municipalities and people in the Red River Valley.

And what happened in 2009? We had flooding that was worse than 1950, with 100,000 evacuees, 10,000 homes destroyed, and not one home was flooded in the Red River Valley. What was the response in '97? It was to build up the flood defences, which we will be doing, Mr. Speaker, following this flood. But it was also to bring in the requirement that there was a rebuilding of the historic flood level plus t wo feet. The two go hand in hand. We'll be doing the same in Lake Manitoba, and we will be working on further mitigation to protect– Mr. Speaker: Order, please. Order, please. Need for Second Outlet Mr. Briese: Mr.

Speaker, in all those other cases he just referred to, the water wasn't diverted intentionally by mankind. They turned the Assiniboine diversion at Portage into the new Assiniboine River. They changed the whole path of the water. Mr. Speaker, the millions that will be spent to raise properties to new levels still does nothing to protect the damaged hay land, pasture and cropland. Farmers and ranchers need to know if there will be a plan that will allow their operations to be viable once again. Mr. Speaker, why does this government not do the right thing? Remove the risk of a 2011 flood ever happening again.

Allow the residents around Lake Manitoba to start rebuilding their lives and

1026 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 livelihoods. Build a second outlet out of Lake Manitoba. Mr. Ashton: Well, Mr. Speaker, and I don't know if the member perhaps was aware of what's happening, but you can't separate Lake Manitoba from Lake St. Martin. What we did this year is we built an outlet from Lake St. Martin, which helped reduce the flooding levels by one and a half feet already up to this point on Lake St. Martin and 2.8 feet on Lake Manitoba. The issue of an additional outlet will be part of the consideration by the task force that is reviewing future flood mitigation.

But we will not, Mr. Speaker, do anything other than what we did last year in 2011, that is, work with the affected communities. We built the outlet last year. We targeted November 1st; we built it on time, on budget. We've already made a difference for Lake Manitoba, but we won't stop until we get –rebuilt the Lake St. Martin and Lake Manitoba. I wish the members opposite would be on board with that historic rebuilding effort. Flooding Property Inspection and Recovery Process Mr. Ian Wishart (Portage la Prairie): Mr. Speaker, hundreds of residents around Lake Manitoba and Lake St.

Martin are still out of their homes due to this government's man-made flooding. Many are now entering their second year of being out of their homes. Other flood victims need property inspections before they can begin rebuilding, another process that's been held up for months and months. The government finally awoke from its slumber and hired a few more inspectors this week, and that's cold comfort to flood victims waiting to rebuild thei r lives. Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister responsible: Why has the inspection process become so cumbersome under his government's watch? Flood victims deserve answers. Hon.

Steve Ashton (Minister responsible for Emergency Measures): Well, Mr. Speaker, I think it's important to reflect that the first stage of dealing with any flood situation is to be fighting the flood. That's what we did last year, and I'm pleased that the member's talking about additional areas like Lake St. Martin, because I certainly would warn again that if we only talk about one lake instead of the other, the two have to be dealt concurrently. But what I want to stress is we've already seen a significant drop in the lake level. A lot of that, Mr. Speaker, was because the building of the outlet.

That's when you can get back into properties. This is the time in where–of year when you do it. And we've got 30,000 claims, Mr. Speaker. We have brought in additional staff. The announcement earlier this week was on top of staff that are already being brought in. This is historic flood recovery. It's going to be triple the number of claims of 1997, the biggest recovery since 1950, but we are going to work with Manitobans until we get every Manitoban back–back to normal. Mr. Wishart: Mr. Speaker, the city of Minot, North Dakota, suffered severe flooding in 2011, as well, and the minister has referred to it.

But their residents have seen much more co-ordinated action in terms of compensation flowing, damaged buildings being removed so rebuilding can start, and the Army Corps of Engineers is working on dikes and diversions to prevent future damage. Manitoba flood victims look at the situation south of the border and wonder where–why we haven't seen the same level of commitment here. Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister again: Why has it taken so long to get the needed inspectors in place so the rebuilding process can begin? Mr.

Ashton: The member opposite may want to take a drive down to Minot and ask some of the flooded homeowners what level of compensation is available in the United States compared to Canada; it's approximately $35,000. Here in Manitoba, it's over $200,000, Mr. Speaker. And I would put on the record that we certainly wish our neighbours in North Dakota well. We certainly wish our neighbours in Saskatchewan who faced historic flooding last year. And, I want to remind the member, this is historic flooding. But what do we do as a government, Mr. Speaker, what do we do as province?

We pull together; we make sure we have assistance and compensation in place. I don't think the member opposite would want Manitobans to have the Minot, North Dakota, standard for flood protection. I would hope people in Minot would have the kind of coverage people in Manitoba have. Mr. Speaker: The h onourable member for Portage la Prairie, on a final supplementary.

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1027 Mr. Wishart: Mr. Speaker, Québec experienced serious flooding in the spring and summer of 2011, as well, yet the recovery process had moved along quickly enough that there has–some appraisers now–some appraisers are now being sought to work here in long-delayed Manitoba flood claims. The minister says he understands that people want to move forward with the rebuilding process but his own government has created many roadblocks. It taking months to get property inspections and months to deliver compensation cheques.

And, there are still tremendous uncertainty over what the regulated level of the lake will actually be. Mr. Speaker, I ask the minister: Can the minister assure Manitoba victims that this recovery process is actually speeding up, or this will be another smokescreen and–towards another broken promise? Mr. Ashton: Mr. Speaker, I want to stress one thing: When it came to the challenge of 2011, the clear message from Lake Manitoba and Lake St. Martin was to reduce the lake levels.

By working day in, day out, 24- 7, we have now reduced the lake level of Lake Manitoba by 2.8 feet over –at what it would have been and Lake St. Martin by 1.5 feet. So, we've met that challenge. In terms of the rebuilding, I want to stress again that we've already paid out $650 million, either in flood-fighting costs or in terms of compensation. By the way, we're working co- operatively with the federal government. Thus far, we've received $50 million from the federal government in terms of that. And, Mr. Speaker– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Mr.

Speaker: The member for Portage la Prairie has asked a serious question and I'm sure he deserves to hear an answer to his question. I'm asking for the co-operation of all honourable members. Please allow the Minister of Infrastructure and Transportation to complete his response. Mr. Ashton: We listened to the people around Lake Manitoba and Lake St. Martin and have reduced the lake levels.

And one of the reasons we've appointed the Lake Manitoba regulation review, is the people have also said we need to review that, in the light of the experience of 2011, and the fact that we can now make a difference in terms of lake levels because of action that was already taken by this government. So we've been there in terms of the flood fighting and, Mr. Speaker, even though it's historic with 30,000 claims, we'll be there in the recovery as well. First Nations Communities Water and Sewer Infrastructure Hon.

Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Today, the Social Planning Council of Winnipeg revealed the soaring rates of homelessness in our city under this NDP government. Also, under the Premier's watch, there's a soaring rate of homelessness in northern First Nations comm unities because of the lack of adequate housing. Additionally, there are 1,400 Manitoba homes with no running water. Hundreds of children live in overcrowded conditions with outdoor toilets or only a slop bucket in their home instead of a toilet.

Is it any wonder that the dropout rate on First Nations is a staggering 50 per cent? * (14:20) I ask the Premier: When will he take the lead and budget the dollars to start retrofitting northern homes so that they will have running water? Hon. Greg Selinger ( Premier): Mr. Speaker, t he member has asked this question in previous days in this Legislature, and we've indicated to him that we've put money into the training side of the budget to allow First Nations people, in the communities where they lack running water and sewage treatment, to get the training they need to be involved in doing the projects.

We've indicated that we've invested in the road on the east side so they can have access to services and goods at a lower price. We have things called the Frontiers Foundation that are in there, testing new technologies to provide clean water and sewage in those communities, and we look to support them as well. All measures are being taken on this side of the House to help the people in those communities.

The member knows full well that when he was a federal minister, that he had the opportunity to invest, through the federal budget, in those First Nations communities in clean water and clean sewage, and he didn't do a thing. Government Response to Flood Evacuees Mr. Gerrard: Mr. Speaker, back in the '90s it was an Ontario-Canada agreement, but there was never a Manitoba-Canada agreement, and in 12 years under his watch, there hasn't been a Manitoba -Canada

1028 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 agreement to put clean water, running water, in First Nations communities. Mr. Speaker, today on the steps of the Legislature, were many Manitobans who do not live in their homes because of flooding on their land caused by artificial flooding, as a result of this government's actions. Too many have not been a ble to have proper schooling as a result. There are continued problems at the exact same time the Premier was on the other side of the Legislature in a photo op. Mr.

Speaker, I ask the Premier: Did the Premier actually go and speak to the people whose li ves have been so devastated by the choices his government has made? Did he bother to meet with the families who've come here, whose lives have been so profoundly devastated by his government's actions? Mr. Selinger: Mr. Speaker, I have met with members af fected by the flood, including First Nations members on several occasions. We have extended very specific help to them.

That's why we're building temporary housing, brand new housing, in Gypsumville, Manitoba, so that people can get out of hotel rooms and as close to home as possible as quickly as possible. That's why we bought the Halaburta [phonetic] lands, so that if they want to rebuild in the Lake St. Martin area, they can rebuild on higher land outside of the range of potential flooding. That's why we built the channel as–on an emergency basis last summer and into the fall and got permission from the federal government to declare it an emergency public works project.

And we went ahead and built that project, which has resulted in Lake Manitoba being down nearly three feet lower than it would have otherwise been, and Lake St. Martin being down a foot and a half than it–lower than it would have otherwise been. We've taken action, the member sits there and ignores the fact that in the '90s, when the deal was being done in Ontario, as a minister in Manitoba, he did nothing. Mr. Speaker: The member for River Heights, final supplementary. Child Poverty Reduction Strategies Hon.

Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Time and time again, this Premier has failed to stand up for the people of Manitoba. There are people demonstrating, homeless as we speak, because this Premier hasn't acted. Today, Manitoba has among the worst test scores in the nation, including math, science, and reading. Has it occurred to the Premier, with so many Manitoba children living in poverty, including the hundreds with no running water, in overcrowded homes, that their ability to learn is profoundly affected by the policy choices his government has made.

I ask the Premier: Why has the Premier spent millions of dollars over the years advertising the NDP and its Crown corporations instead of effectively addressing child hunger and the children and the children's needs in this province? Hon. Greg Selinger (Premier): Mr. Speaker, the first and most significant thing we did to address hunger for children in Manitoba is we added back the National Child Benefit to all families in Manitoba. It was completely clawed back by the leaders –by the members of the opposition, ensuing–including some members that were in Cabinet that time.

That's how they dealt with the recession. They clawed back benefits from the lowest income Manitobans in this province. And when the member was a –was in the federal Cabinet, they ended the Canada assistance progr am, which required all Canadians to have the necessities of life. They took that standard away from federal-provincial cost sharing and social assistance rates. So, if the member is serious about addressing crime, let's start with the tremendous erosion of programs that was left in this province by the members of the Conservative Party and the federal Liberal Party.

We put the National Child Benefit back; we've put housing in place; we've put programs in place for families; and we ensured that 57 per cent of lone parents in this province were lifted out of poverty. Crompton Greaves Power Systems Signing of Memorandum of Understanding Mr. Bidhu Jha (Radisson): I have been very patiently awaiting any questions from our worthy opponents on the futuristic development of our province on economy and jobs.

So I would like to really remind the House we are here to build our province also, and I would really appreciate the House to hear something from the very, very hard -working Minister of Innovation, Energy and Mines on the recent announcement of

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1029 signing an MOU with Winnipeg- based Crompton Greaves Power Systems, which is one of the top electric transformer manufacturers in the world. And, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to add, Manitoba has been very successful attracting the international investment community for the last few years. It takes time– Mr. Speaker: Order, please. Order, please. Order, please. Hon. Dave Chomiak (Minister of Innovation, Energy and Mines ): Mr.

Speaker, in addition to world-class companies like Rolls-Royce that has said Manitoba's the best place in the world to do business, we were very pleased to sign an MOU with Crompton Greaves and its holding com pany from India, a company that, in fact, has assets of four – sales of $4 billion, who also want to expand their business in Manitoba where they provide and build transformers and electrical equipment for the future. We signed an MOU on research and development and the future of electricity, Mr.

Speaker, and we're looking at the future with an international company where we had executives in from India, from Belgium, from England and from around the world to sign an MOU with Manitoba, like we've done with Rolls-Royce, like we've done with Pratt & Whitney, like we've done with Mitsubishi, making Manitoba a world -class spot to do business, and we'll continue to do that into the future. Mr. Speaker: Time for oral questions has expired. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Deer Lodge Curling Club Ms. Deanne Crothers (St. James): Mr.

Speaker, curling is a Canadian institution, and many Manitobans eagerly look forward to the curling season and the many bonspiels that liven up the winter months. In St. James, we are lucky to have the Deer Lodge Curling Club which has been an important fixture in the local curling scene since 1918. In the late 1950s, members set their sights on a new location close to the St. James Civic Centre. The new building was entirely constructed with volunteer labour. This enthusiastic, co- operative spirit continues among Deer Lodge curlers, as I learned when I attended the club's annual windup on April 20th.

Everyone came to the windup to award this season's winners and enjoy a meal together. I had the chance to welcome the curlers and try my hand at a few curling jokes before everyone sat down to eat a delicious meal prepared by the club kitchen. Deer Lodge Curling Club is open seven days a week during the curling season to accommodate games for men' s, women's, mixed, seniors and juniors teams. They host many lively social events, including bonspiels, banquets and even an annual golf tournament.

Community members love the Deer Lodge Curling Club because they offer leagues for all skill levels and levels of competitiveness. As a sport, curling is unique its –in its inclusiveness and ability to appeal to all ages. Deer Lodge caters to curlers as young as six years old. Mentors, coaches and local families work hard to support junior curlers and encourage a love of the game. Curling promotes not only teamwork, but good sportsmanship and an excellent attitude towards competition. As they've grown up, many Deer Lodge club members have gone on to win national and provincial championships.

I would like to thank Deer Lodge community – sorry–Deer Lodge Curling Club members for inviting me to join in the festivities at their recent windup and for providing leadership to members of the curling community and the wider community of St. James. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Beaverlodge Elementary School Mrs. Myrna Driedger (Charleswood): Mr. Speaker, I rise today to congratulate Beaverlodge Elementary School on an amazing accomplishment, that of attaining Earth School III status.

This feat means the accomplishment of another 1,000 Earth projects to bring their total to 3,000 Earth projects, qualifying Beaverlodge to be recognized by the SEEDS Foundation of Canada as an Earth III School. They are one of only four schools in Canada to attain the status of Earth School III. SEEDS was first established in 1976. In 1989, a new goal was established that said: SEEDS will work towards the development of a society that understands and is committed to actions leading to

1030 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 wise stewardship of resources, resource utilization and the environment. In 1991, the GREEN Schools program was begun, which encourages students to be environmentally responsible and to take personal action at school and with their families. * (14:30) I remember, in 1999, when Beaverlodge was first recognized as a Jade School, having completed 250 projects. It was recognized as an Earth School in 2006, having attained 1,000 Earth projects, and Earth School II in 2011, having attained 2,000 Earth projects. They have come a long way and worked very hard.

Some of t he last 1,000 projects included the following: reducing paper by using less; reducing waste in schools by having litterless lunches; reducing energy used by encouraging active transportation and turning off lights; reducing chemicals that go in storm drains; increasing awareness of water issues with Save our Lakes activities; learning about nature and expressing learning through art; growing sustainable gardens with a butterfly garden, native species garden and a chemical-free food garden; taking public transportation for field trips and sharing buses for field trips so buses are full.

This is an awesome accomplishment, Mr. Speaker, that makes Beaverlodge one of only four schools in all of Canada to have attained this status. Way to go, Beaverlodge. You are taking care of our planet and we truly appreciate it. Charleswood is proud of you all. Keep up the good work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Keewatin/Inkster Neighbourhood Resource Council Mr. Ted Marcelino (Tyndall Park): Mr. Speaker, connecting seniors wit h support services helps ensure they can continue to lead happy, healthy lives within their communities.

For the past 19 years, the Keewatin/Inkster Neighbourhood Resource Council has served the communities of Brooklands, Weston, Tyndall Park, Garden Grove and Meadows West, and has provided a valuable link between seniors and the support services they desire. As our society ages, organizations such as this should be commended for their ongoing commitment to connecting seniors to services and ensuring that M anitoba seniors are well taken care of.

The Keewatin /Inkster Neighbourhood Resource Council is a community -based, non- profit organization whose mission is to support and promote healthy, active and independent living among seniors by connecting them with programs, services and community. The range of progr ams they offer is quite impressive. Programs like Call In provide daily phone calls to independent seniors living alone to check in on their health and safety. They also provide many opportunities for transportation to events and appointments through this –their Escorted Transportation Services and Cab Clubs.

Weekdays at the Bluebird Lodge, they host the Congregate Meal Program that provides an affordable full-course meal and helps seniors connect with each other and enjoy the shared experience of a meal. Alongside these and many other programs, they find the time to connect seniors with legal help, tax services, tenant resources services and home maintenance referrals. Organizations like the Keewatin /Inkster Neighbourhood Resource Council help provide essential links between seniors and the services they need.

I want to recognize the council for the role it plays and ask for leave to include the names of the council's co -ordinators and volunteers with this statement in Hansard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr.

Speaker: Is there leave of the House to include the names in the Hansard proceedings? [Agreed] Harvey Sumka –community resource co -ordinator, Elizabeth Leronowich–tenant resource co -ordinator, Eugene Sleeman–community meal co- ordinator, Fay Regush, Emile Paul, Al Wirth, Wes Thomson, Judy McKelvey, Cherry Abad, Jan Burdon, David Traill, Pearl Bickerton, Becky Lange, Muriel Dei Cont, Frances Benzelock, Linda Morcilla, Cecile Wagner, Gladys Fisher, Lilian Frost, Marissa David, Ray Warner, Courtney Mandock, Nicole Brolly. Manitoba Soccer Association Awards Mr. Ron Schuler ( St. Paul ): Mr.

Speaker, I rise today to honour the Manitoba Soccer Association’s 2011 Annual Awards Banquet held on March 3rd, 2012 a nd the Manitoba Soccer Association’s 100th anniversary this year. The banquet was an opportunity for the soccer community to honour the achievements, dedication and ability of those players, referees and volunteers

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1031 who contribute on an ongoing basis to t he development of soccer in Manitoba on and off the field. I would like to congratulate all the nominees and the winners at this year’s historic awards ceremony. Many of these awards are based on merit while others are based on service. but all together t hese fine individuals have helped contribute to 100 years of growth and excellence for the beautiful game of soccer right here in Manitoba. The MSA president’s award was presented to Fred Van Dongen for his significant contributions to the sport of soccer in Manitoba.

The MSA life membership award was presented to Walter McKee for his significant lifelong contribution to the sport of soccer in Manitoba. Mackenzie Neufeld received the Harry Harwood award for merit for an outstanding youth male player. Laura Carroll received the Lorrie Thompson award of merit for an outstanding youth female player. Ivan Garcia was awarded the Frank Capasso award of merit for an outstanding senior male player. Aisha Alfa was awarded the Christine O’Connor award for merit for a n outstanding senior female player. Ricardo A.

Rodriguez received the Mario Perrino award of merit for an outstanding referee. Peter Manastyrsky received the Frank Major award of merit for an outstanding official. James Silva was awarded the Dave Zacharias award for–of merit for an outstanding coach. Len Fabris was awarded the Vic Batzel award of merit for an outstanding youth volunteer. Norman Anderson was presented the Ralph Cantafio award of merit for an outstanding senior volunteer. Sean Drain was presented the Fred –Dr. Fred Stambrook award of merit for an outstanding volunteer.

We wish to thank all the sponsors of the banquet and the Manitoba Soccer Association and wish all the winners and nominees the best of luck in the future, and particularly wish to congratulate the Manitoba Soccer Association on 100 great years of soccer here in Manitoba. On behalf of all members of the Assembly, we congratulate all the winners and the soccer–Manitoba Soccer Association. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. YMCA-YWCA Women of Distinction Awards Ms. Melanie Wight (Burrows): Mr. Speaker, on May 3rd, more than 950 people gathered at the Winnipeg Convention Centre to celebrate extraordinary Manitoba women.

The 36th YMCA-YWCA Winnipeg's Women of Distinction Awards drew a reco rd number of nominations for women who use their talents, vision and determination to make Manitoba a better place to live. These women are recognized as leaders in their fields; they work in the arts, education, business and sciences, and many other fiel ds. They advocate on behalf of the environment, youth, and other women, drawing our attention to issues we cannot afford to ignore. Many of the nominees are exploring new territory and encouraging other women to enter fields that have traditionally been dominated by men.

The Women of Distinction Awards recognize the contributions these women have made and the effect their efforts will have on future generations. We are fortunate that these women have chosen to make Manitoba their home and that they are improving the quality of life for people all over the world. To ensure we continue to support women striving to make a difference, the proceeds from the event will support community programs that empower women and youth. I ask all members to join me in t hanking the YMCA-YWCA Winnipeg for organizing this important event.

I would also like to congratulate the Women of Distinction nominees and award recipients. Each and every one of them has worked to enrich our community and inspire us. Mr. Speaker, I ask leave for the names of the award winners to be read into Hansard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr.

Speaker: Is there leave for the names to be included in the Hansard of these proceedings? [Agreed] Arts: Catharine Teichroew, arts educator and advocate; Circle of Inspiration: Dianna Bussey – government official, Diane Redsky –Aboriginal leader, and Joy Smith; Culture: Tina Chen, University of Manitoba historian; Education: Karen Botting, teacher and administrator ; Leadership: Jeannette Montufar, engineer and urban planner ; Public Awareness: Anna- Celestrya Carr, Métis filmmaker and artist; Science: Maureen Heaman, national women's issues researcher ; Voluntarism: Chau Pham, Vietnamese community leader and

1032 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 doctor; Healthy Living: Janice Lukes, trail and cycling fundraiser; Young Woman of Distinction: Amanda Furst, international community advocate in Africa; Winners of awards of promise, which carry a $2,000 scholarship for graduating grade 12 students: Gerrie Hammond Memorial Award – Alana Robert, lives in Westwood, attends St. Mary's Academy, and Prairie Award –Kelby Loeppky, lives in Morden, attends Garden Valley Collegiate Introduction of Guests Mr.

Speaker: I'd like to, prior to grievances, draw the attention of honourable members to the loge to my right where we have Mr. Doug Martindale, a former member for Burrows. On behalf of all honourable members, we welcome you here today. ORDERS OF THE DAY (Continued) GOVERNMENT BUSINESS House Business Hon. Jennifer Howard (Government House Leader): Mr. Speaker, before I ask you to move us into Committee of Supply, I'd just like to remind the House that this Committee of Supply is taking place this afternoon. Estimates will also be considered tomorrow morning as per rule 4(5).

And with that would you move us into the Committee of Supply. Mr. Speaker: We'll now resolve into the Committee of Supply. Mr. Deputy Speaker, will you please take the Chair. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY (Concurrent Sections) CONSERVATION AND WATER STEWARDSHIP * (14:40) Mr. Chairperson (Mohinder Saran): Order. Will the Committee of Supply please come to order. This

section of the Committee of Supply will now resume consideration of the Estimates by the Department of Conservation and Water Stewardship. As previously agreed, questions for the department w ill proceed in a global manner. The floor is now open for questions. Mr. Larry Maguire (Arthur- Virden): I know yesterday we were into the watershed land use areas of the Estimates, and I had asked the question on the number of staff years dedicated to the protected areas establishment. And I just wondered now–I'm not sure if I got an answer on that one or if that's where we left off. I could go to Hansard. Hon.

Gord Mackintosh (Minister of Conservation and Water Stewardship): Yes, I can't recall the specifics. I think the question was what staff were dedicated or what resources were dedicated to the protected areas initiative, and the department advises that there are three FTEs, full -time FTEs, with the protected areas initiative. Mr. Maguire: Thank you for that. The department's targets and goals for the new protected areas in 2012-13, Mr. Chair, I wanted to ask the minister if he could just provide us with an update on what the department's targets and goals are for the new protected areas in the coming year. Mr.

Mackintosh : Yes, t he department looks at making sure that we have a representative protection strategy that recognizes the different biodiversity of the province, and particularly areas that may be more vulnerable. And as a result, there is the n a process, sometimes protracted and sometimes not, with stakeholders, including First Nations, Métis and others, to identify new areas for added protection. Right now there's a couple of initiatives ongoing. One is to expand the eco reserve lands in Manitoba. And so we're nailing down some approaches there that I think will serve the future well.

And, as well, I've asked the department to look to see longer term, not just for this year but on a multi-year basis, what is the potential for specific sites, you know, what's the number, what's the characterization of those protected areas, so that we can ensure with the senior official oversight that there are plans in place with the consultations necessary, recognizing the experience that we have had with c onsultations that sometimes you have to invest some good time in that and work through some of the issues that we've discovered are often very important to be dealt with before designations occur.

So those are two initiatives, the expansion of eco reserves that's moving along and a longer term view so that we can make sure our resources are properly deployed.

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1033 Mr. Maguire: I appreciate that. I just wondered if – of the proposals that are there, how many are protected areas that are currently in development? Is there developments going on in some of those protected areas? I guess we'll just leave it at that as a start. * (14:50) Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, the last three parks that were added were Nueltin Lake, Colvin Lake and Birch Island, and there was some very significant hectarage there that became protected.

We are –so I've asked the department to look to see –of the park reserves that are currently mapped out, what are the likely timelines that are required to move ahead. We have also, of course, had Little Limestone and Fisher Bay; we’ve–we continue to have some discussions with the Canadian Parks and Wilderness folks about those. And I'll also just add that the wildlife management areas, as well, hold out potential for additional hectarage, and so we're looking at that and I anticipate that we'll be able to announce some expansion of that in the short time that lies ahead. Mr. Maguire: Thanks.

The –yes, the –just of the proposal for protected areas that's currently under development–the minister's alluded to that. How many of these–and I remember the announcement of the last three parks that he talked about here, and quite supportive there. I wondered if he could just outline for me, of all the parks and park reserves that have been put in place and, you know , developed, I guess, or put in place since around 1990, what kind of management plans each one of them might have? Or are there management plans for them? Mr.

Mackintosh: Well, just to start with the current management plan development, Birds Hill park has a draft plan that has been –or framework that has been put out there for public comment and there has been a scheduled meeting at the park. Was it –where was it? The Sun Gro Centre –I'm sorry, it wasn't at the park. And so there's feedback that is coming i n as a result of that. So that is in hand, and that's Manitoba's busiest park, so it's good that that has been priorized. Seven provincial parks have now completed their management plans. There's about 600,000 hectares.

Two provincial parks have plans in progress, one of them being Birds Hill. And over the next five years or so, the plan is to have all parks with management plans in place. And so, efforts are underway to make sure that the necessary consulting arrangements are being nailed down, and so the work is progressing. I–just add that the –there's been some park reserves designated –13 park reserves designated since '99, and four of those now have been converted to provincial parks, and one of the park reserves has been designated as the– oh, yes –Asatiwisipe Aki Traditional Use Planning Area.

And, well, one new unprotected provincial park has been created, the South Atikaki, since '99. There was some information about the other park reserves that we had. Where was that? I'll just put that on the record then. And, in terms of the park reserves, Goose Islands, Grand Island, Kinwow Bay, Pelican Islands, Pemmican Island, and Sturgeon Bay park reserves were renewed in December '11 for another five -year term, as was Walter Cook Caves Park Reserve in March of 2012. We just did that. Mr. Maguire: I thank the minister for that.

Can he provide me with a number as to how much land has been set aside in conservation easements over the last five years as well? I know there's been some out my way, and other areas, an d I just wondered how much land has been involved in that program. An Honourable Member: Over? Mr. Maguire: The last five years. Mr. Mackintosh: The numbers we have are since '09, so if the member will accept that and–unless he wants us to go back and rejig the numbers, but that's what I have available right now. First of all, the NCC –they've secured over 6,700 hectares of private land in southern Manitoba, basically.

The land has been secured, and five of the eight target areas that we spoke about the other day. The areas are Riding Mountain Aspen Parkland Natural Area, the Tall Grass Prairie Natural Area, Whitemouth River Watershed Natural Area, the Oak Lake Sandhills and Wetlands Natural Area, and the Pembina/Tiger Hills area. And in terms of the Ha bitat Heritage Corporation, they've acquired 600 conservation agreements on approximately 110,000 acres of private land in agro Manitoba. They've actually provided information on the breakdown if the member would like it. There's a breakdown here.

For example, there's 55 thousand acres of the 110 that are wetlands and associated habitats. Wetland restoration is 1,500 acres. Habitats for species at risk, especially

1034 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 grassland acres, are 45,000 acres. Watershed protection lands, especially areas identified in the CDs integrated watership –watershed management plans, 3,700 acres. As well –and we had a really good discussion about this w ith the corporation. Twenty -five thousand acres of lands are groundwater -recharge areas for the Oak Lake, the Assiniboine delta, and the Winkler aquifers. I think–that really got me thinking about the importance of us looking, to a greater extent, at aquif er management planning in Manitoba.

I was down in Winkler, and I had the opportunity to become acquainted with the Winkler Aquifer Management Plan. The–of course, a key part of that is how to protect the recharge area, but I think we've got to spend more t ime, put more effort, into facilitating the development of those plans that, of course, will cross several municipality boundaries – those square boundaries –and conservation districts. But I think that that does hold out some great potential for us to better protect groundwater in Manitoba. * (15:00) Mr. Maguire: Thanks, Mr. Minister, for that.

I'm quite familiar with the Oak Lake one, the aquifer out there. Their biggest problem was trying to get the aquifer back below the surface of the ground last year, and it's a little bit better this year. But, without being facetious, there's a great deal of work that can be done in that whole area of recharge and a number of areas, and look forward to seeing more around what we can do in that whole area because it's an important area to those regions and it is a great source of water for not only potable use but other purposes in industry in Manitoba as well if it's managed properly.

So I'm going to–my colleague has some questions in regards to the watershed areas. Mr. Ian Wishart (Portage la Prairie): We touched briefly before on the issue of integrated watershed management plans. I was wondering if you could update me on how many are completed, and I know that basically the southern third of the province is the target area. In the north we haven't really initiated the process yet. Where are you at in terms of how many are completed, how many are in process and how many remain to be done? Mr. Mackintosh: Ten are done; two more are near completion; and 11 are in various stages of development.

Mr. Wishart: Thank you, Mr. Minister. The target number to be completed is the total of these? Mr. Mackintosh: Oh, well, 23 completed, given that 10 are already completed. Mr. Wishart: Now you have a fund that we have used in the past to fund various project called the Water Stewardship Fund, and how much funding is available for that in this fiscal year? Has that gone up or down, and could you give us some examples of recently completed projects from this fund? We only have information back in '08 and '09, so it's a little out of date. Mr.

Mackintosh: I've asked the staff to get the list of the allocations because it's important. If the member says that the latest information that may be available is '08-09, that has to be corrected and there should be an updated list. So, if they find that today, we'll put that on the record. If not, we'll provide it to the member, but the fund had 175,000, I'm advised, in it last year and that 175,000 I'm advised is in the allocation this year. Mr. Wishart: And, yes, a later update on that on the projects would be acceptable. We'd like to be as current as possible.

I did want to move on to funding for the conservation districts if I could, an approach to landscape management, water management that we certainly support. The closer you get to the ground, so to speak, in terms of managing water, certainly the best response you get and the better planning you often get. I wanted to ask the minister what his plans are for the future on the conservation districts, what the funding currently is, and what direction they see the funding going in the future. Mr.

Mackintosh: The conservation districts program, which I'll just put on the record I'm very eager to hear first -hand of their works and meet and see some of the efforts as well. It's certainly been highly regarded. Everybody I've spoken to has the highest respect for the work that is done through the conservation districts. So the provincial grant in '11-12 was $5.615 million and this year the amount available is up to $5.736 million, and I think we had briefly spoken about some of the initiatives that were in line to get some enhanced support, and so I think that's on the record already. Mr.

Maguire: I just wonder if the minister could give us an update in regards to some of the

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1035 Aboriginal relations in regards to park development and that sort of thing. An update on the department and its obligations with respect to the duty to consult in regards to First Nations groups and the development of any pol icies around that. If he could just provide me with an update on where the department is at with any talks that are ongoing in that area. Mr.

Mackintosh: Well, certainly the era that we are now in is very different than the presection 35 era where changes , sometimes very significant, were made to –that impacted on treaty and Aboriginal rights including as a result of the development of protected areas of which parks is one of them. I think that as we've come into this new era, the case law is starting to b etter clarify what the responsibilities are of the Crown in right of the Province, for example, and for the federal government as well.

This government certainly welcomes and respects the movement –the rightful movement towards respecting the fact that we have a duty to consult and, of course, what that means has been a big part of the developing case law. But what we have been looking at as a department amongst other departments and because there's a cross -departmental working group, for example, and, of course, ANA has a role and, you know, I'm familiar of the Innovation, Energy and Mines role when it comes to initiatives advanced through that department as well.

We've got to look to see how we can make this most effectively work for the parties. We've go t to make sure that we effectively put consultation processes in place that are timely for everyone's sake and that are, certainly, meaningful as intended by the law as it's developed. * (15:10) The experience recently, I understand, has been a very positive one when it comes to Fisher Bay Provincial Park and we learned a lot from that. I was–I had the honour of meeting with Chief Crate about that process, and I think we are learning as we go.

I'v e also had the honour of talking to representatives from other jurisdictions about how they approach the consultations that are required and, perhaps, there's more learning that we can do there as well. So I think that this is a, certainly, an emerging area and an area of change. And it's one, I think, that is only now becoming more recognized in the mainstream, if you will, or by the broad array of stakeholders that have an interest in the ecological diversity of the province and, as well, the economic development of the province.

So we've had experiences with a number of initiatives that have had their twists and turns as a result, and I say from each and every one of them we've learned. We've seen, for example, when it comes to moose population manageme nt that it's very important to engage in the consultation process with Aboriginal communities, not even because of the

section 35 requirements, but because we have learned that it serves an awareness and educational function with the communities. And when we have, for example, stresses on certain populations, we all have to remind ourselves as stewards of the earth, whether Aboriginal or non-Aboriginal, that we all have a role to play. And so we have seen, for example, I think in GHA 26, for example, I've heard feedback that the consultation process with the affected communities there certainly elevated the awareness and sensitivity to the need to address population declines of moose there.

We also had, I think, a very successful outcome before I came alon g in the Duck Mountain areas. More recently, I learned some tremendous and valuable lessons with West Region Tribal Council when it comes to consultations for the Dauphin Lake fishery. And I think we had a breakthrough where the tribal council provided s ome commendable leadership in identifying conservation efforts that could really make a difference to ensure that the Dauphin Lake walleye fishery rebounds fully, because that really is the mutual objective.

So just to conclude –because I think this is th e conversation or the remarks that he was welcoming – we are really vigilant and interested in how we formalize the

section 35 requirements. At the same time, we are seeing that there are benefits that perhaps were unintended that we welcome. Mr. Maguire: Because of those changes, that's why I asked the question, Mr. Chair. I think there's been a lot of changes in those areas and a lot more discussion with some of the First Nations folks. I certainly did appreciate the opportunities I had. And I know the minister alluded to the game hunting and the GSAs, the areas here. You know, we did work with some of the First Nations people as opposition in and around Swan River and the 14- 18, 13(

a) was–and 13 was added by Minister Blaikie at

1036 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 the time to the outright bans on hunting for moose in some of those areas. That wasn't where I was going, but since the minister raised it, you know, I think it caught everybody by surprise to think that some of the First Nations there would say we don't want people hunting in our areas either in these areas.

And, you know, when I read the resolution from that one group in the House in question period at that particular time, it was certainly just to raise the awareness of the fact that there was more co - operation and awareness in s ome of those regions to be able to move forward on some of these mannerisms and, I think, with some of these projects. And I think it's opened up some discussions in other areas. I know you're doing work in game hunting area 26 as well, with some of the, sort of, not total bans, but bans on hunting in some of those areas.

And I think that the priority here has to be to make sure that we've actually got moose to hunt or look at down the road. Some of these First Nations people who’ve said it's not–I mean, the people that were coming to me to say that we want the ban on weren't even hunters. They said we want the rights for our families to be able to go out down the road and have moose to be able to be there to even look at. And some of those areas were pretty devastated. So I appreciate the minister's answer.

I appreciate being able to develop, further some of those relationships, and I know that, because the government does have a role in those areas and we need to be able to make sure that they are included in any kinds of discussions in those areas. One of the –and so, just before I go to the next – the–some of the changes that you made, can the minister outline to me, just in particularly to moose, if there's any change in adding more GHAs into that area or more total bans that they're looking at in other regions? Mr.

Mackintosh: When it comes to moose, the current closures will continue on as we re -evaluate any impacts on populations. I've heard that, from NROs in the GHA 26 area, that they have been v ery pleased with how that has unfolded, but what we have to do is move to a better province -wide approach that ensures that we link up some of the efforts that have worked, and, of course, move from those that haven't worked as well. We know that, in areas where there are closures, that we have to ensure a good complement of natural resource officers so that the –there is both a deterrent and an enforcement presence.

We have looked at the use of infrared technology to determine if that is more effective than other approaches, and the jury's out on that, I can advise, but the thinking will continue. We have, particularly in GHA 26, looked at decommissioning of roads as an approach. And there have been approaches in terms of our predators, as well–or, well, t he wolves, for example.

Deer tags have been increased, and I think there's a lot more awareness, like, as I said, both in the Aboriginal communities and with the Wildlife Federation. * (15:20) There's been some research that is to develop on wolf and b ear predation with the University of Manitoba, and they've, you know, been looking at the impact of brain worm.

But when it comes down to the future, the department is putting together a framework for how a province -wide strategy can be concluded so that w e have a solid, more all - embracing approach rather than just dealing with this on a GHA -by-GHA basis, recognizing, of course, that the implementation of closures will continue to be on a GHA basis with some regional differences in application. But the more comprehensive approach is important to proceed with. The other experience that we have had recently is the development of the regional committees on moose management.

That really is what nailed it in the Duck Mountain area: First Nations, the local sports groups, Métis, some scientists, trappers. So I think we're finding, you know, what combinations are important to have there and can assist in recovery. There's also been additional funding made available for surveys in the Duck Mountain, Porcupine Mountain, Swan, Pelican and in GHA 26 so that there are more surveys done on a regular basis. So I didn't want to leave that off of the list of efforts that are under way. Mr. Maguire: Yes, thanks, Mr. Minister, the – through the Chair.

There were a number of issues that, you know, when the announcements came out about some of those GHAs there were some commitments made by the government in regards to–in March 2011, of

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1037 investing $800,000 in the moose strategy in those areas. And I wondered if he can tell me if those –that full $800,000 has been allocated and, if so, how is it being used? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, the allocation was divided up to enforcement staff, which comprised a large part of the–one of the single largest allocations followe d by aerial surveys and wildlife staff in addition to enforcement staff. There was some allocation to Aboriginal participation.

As well, there was an allocation for aerial surveys for wolves and enforcement operation –like the operational costs – and the wolf removal program, the road closures and posting and some of the operational costs for the wildlife work. So that comprises the allocation. Mr. Maguire: And so my next, you know, the question is: Was the $800,000 fully utilized, then, and part of it was in the aerial surveys, or was it used in other areas? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, I'm advised that the expenditures, actually this year, are expected to be approximately $824,000. Mr. Maguire: So that is an ongoing program then?

There was 800 last year; it's ongoing again for another 800 budgeted for the amount this year. Can the minister provide me with the number that they budgeted for in 2012-13? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, I'm advised that $824,000 was budgeted for this year, and it's in the base, which means it's ongoing. Mr. Maguire: There was two new –I believe, they were looking at–wildlife biologist positions to be put in place in last year's announcement as well. I'm assuming that they're both in place and will continue to be in that area. And can he just tell me where they're based out of? Mr.

Mackintosh: I'm advised there are two wildlife biologist positions that were established –as a result, one on the east area and one on the west area. Mr. Maguire: Okay. I was of the understanding that there was to be two announced for the Swan River area and the GHAs up there. Is that –but it was two overall, and there's one on each side. Is –that's what the minister just indicated. I wasn't sure if it was two, or if there was two plus one. Mr.

Mackintosh: I'm advised the distribution was two NROs and one biologist in the west, and in the east there's one NRO and one biologist as a result of that particular funding allocation. Mr. Maguire: The minister al luded to the aerial surveys of wolves and that sort of thing, and I wonder if he could elaborate on what work has been done through this past winter on that as well. I know that there was, I think, some areas protected, probably more so in game area 26. Fr om what I understand, there was a lack of snow and it made difficult–difficulties in tracking.

And I just wondered if he can provide me with an update on where they're at with those wolf surveys in relation to the moose populations as well. * (15:30) Mr. Mackintosh: The answer is, yes, the surveys were conducted this winter. And the results, actually, were that there's a–looks like a conclusion of about 120 on the west side and 74 on the east side in 26. Mr. Maguire: Those were moose numbers that the minister's just–[interjection] –or those are the wolf ones, yes. And are there plans to continue to do those along with moose surveys over the next five years, or what are the plans in those areas? Mr.

Mackintosh: Yes. Mr. Maguire: And so that'll entail any of the –their current plans are to continue that. Are there plans – are there surveys that are under way? I imagine that the–have they finalized all of the information that they would've had from this past winter's survey? You just provided me with the wolf numbers, but. Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, as part of the continuing program, while there were difficulties because of the weather conditions in 26, the Porcupines were flown, in 13 and 13A, and so the numbers were, for this year were–came in at 817. I –there was a release that went out just a bit ago.

I don't know if the member saw it, but we can get a copy for the member as well that gave some overview in terms of what the trend appeared to be, but there was, from the numbers, when you look, for example, at '07, t he number was 731, and then was up to 1122, 817, so there is some stabilizing, it appears, from those numbers. But we have to be vigilant, and there's no direction here that enables the removal of the closure at all at this point. But, you know, I can undertake to get that released to the member because it did set out, I think, a more –better narrative of what the department was discovering.

1038 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 Mr. Maguire: Yes, anyway, I just pass it on to the minister as well, and I think that the department is aware, but when I was there talking to these people about, you know, when they said that they wanted a total ban on hunting in some of those areas, you know, I was suggesting three years, and theirs –their reply to me was, no, they needed it for at least five. But, as you say, there's no clear direction there yet, but it is good that it's been on for the year here, and I think that'll probably give us some direction.

Were all of the surveys that the department wanted to do last winter able to be done? I know you mentioned that there was difficulties with snow –lack of snow, I should say–in some areas. Mr. Mackintosh: In 26, we –the department advises that they did go out with the infrared technology. They did some flights there, but they are tending to the conclusion that the data is not as reliable as they would have expected.

So I think, as I said earlier, I think the jury's out on that and–but we don't want to give up on that technology, but there are certainly some questions as to whether it has enhanced our abilities or not. So we'll look at it further. Mr. Maguire: There were some incentives for local trappers to look at harvesting wolves and that sort of thing, and I wondered if the minister can provide me with any information as to whether it had any impact or the desired effect and any numbers of –comparing the 2011 wolf kill to that of 2010. Mr.

Mackintosh: Based on modelling, the population was 100 in '09- 10, and based on '11- 12 survey, the estimate is 74, and that is –that would be in large part because of the removal of 43. And then, when it comes to the Ducks, population for '09- 10 was 102 and for '11 -12, it's down to 70 and 73 were taken out. Mr. Maguire: Yes, that's over that two -year period of time? Mr. Mackintosh: That's as a result of the program this year. Mr. Maguire: Okay. I'm just going to move on to one of the things that was looked at. It was the establishment of a moose advisory committee.

Can the minister just give me an update on how it's coming and if it's been formed and who's sitting on that committee? Mr. Mackintosh: Earlier I just talked about the kinds of groups that are represented, but we can get a list of the specific groups and their correct names for the member in terms of the –was it the Ducks and is that what you were asking? Yes, s o we can provide that, but it would be the Wildlife Federation, of course, First Nations and others that I spoke about earlier. Mr.

Maguire: Yes, if you could just provide me with the names of the individuals that are representing each of those groups on t he moose advisory committee. It's good to see that it's been established and going. I sure appreciate that. And how often does it meet and like what are they dealing with? What are they achieving? Mr. Mackintosh: I'm advised that they have been meeting and they decide at each meeting, I guess, what their

schedule should be to go from one meeting to the next in terms of their availability and their scheduling. * (15:40) Mr. Maguire: So is there a bylaw or a –there's a number of so many meetings a year that they have or are they meeting monthly or bi -monthly? And I just wondered–excuse me–some of the topics that they might be dealing with in regards to–I'm assuming it's to deal with populations and that sort of thing. Mr. Mackintosh: Our understanding is that they have met, of course, just both before and after the closure, and their interest now, of course, is leaning more to recovery efforts and trends.

But perhaps the member would benefit from us making some inquiries, and we can do that through our regional folks to see what their meeting

schedule has looked like. Mr. Maguire: Okay, thank you. If he could provide that, it'd be great. Conservation closures: the–just a comment from the minister on the long- term plans in that area and how effective they've be en and what kind of enforcement activities that they're looking at. Mr. Mackintosh: I didn't want to repeat what I had been saying earlier, but I think the efforts are paying off in the Ducks, and I have heard first-hand from the region in area 26 that that has gone very successfully in terms of both the lack of problems and the level of awareness now.

Of course, the level of awareness is achieved through a number of methods, and I talked about the consultation role, but, as well, of course, through signage. But I think that there's been a buzz in the

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1039 local communities amongst those that are concerned that have elevated the knowledge about the closures and the population stress. So it–there's no reason why we would conclude that this isn't a successful wa y to deal with declining populations. And, of course, I want to reiterate, as I said earlier, that the deployment of NROs in those areas is really important and –both in terms of their visibility and their actual, you know, follow -up to any reports of any concerns.

But I know from GHA that there's been very little reports of any lack of respect for the closure, and that's a good sign. So, as I say, I spoke first -hand to one of the NROs that is deployed in the area, and they actually said they were pleasantl y surprised and –but I think that the effort there is paying off. Mr.

Maguire: Well, I appreciate that and I think that that was partly why a lot of the people there, hunters from all –whether they were rifle, bow and arrow, muzzles, lodges and outfitters, all of the people that I met with, Métis, First Nations and others, wanted a complete ban because, then, of course, anybody that's in there with a moose is subject to –they have no real –no reason to be there, and so I think that that's been a plus. So I appreciate the fact that they're–that with the NROs in there, you know, with our natural resource officers, we'll have a –more of aware of it.

I had the opportunity to drive some of those trails with persons in that area a year ago myself, or a year and a half ago, I guess, and look at the devastation that they were talking about at that time, and I think that there is a –that I'm glad to see that the report is that it is working in those areas. There were concerns around individuals that might be taking moose out of the particular areas unlawfully at the time, basically by local citizens, and I'm glad to see that that may have stopped as well.

Has the minister had any indication that this is putting more pressure on some other areas that might presently have moose to, I guess, see that some of these folks that may have not been curtailed but taken up their cause in other areas? Mr. Mackintosh: I can say that there is concern, and I heard that from somebody at a Wildlife Federation meeting, for example, that that could be the result of closures in some areas. So we're going to be vigilant on that, but I think that really is a good reason to move towards a comprehensive approach.

While there might be concern about the pressures from people moving, the –there ar e other species that are available for hunting that we have to keep in mind. Mr. Maguire: Yes, thanks, and we certainly are aware of those. I just wanted to ask the minister and, maybe, perhaps, a final question in this area. The temporary conservation closure that was put in place in January here in the Pine Falls area, south of Bissett, you know, there's –not everybody's always happy with these things, but it –there's some folks that felt it didn't go far enough, maybe didn't go as far as some of the other complete closures.

Can the minister just provide me with his response to those kinds of concerns? Mr. Mackintosh: I think it's only fair to say that there was a complete closure in the two areas where there was critical habitat identified by science, and, as well, of course, there have been road closures in the area that I think are–have proven to be, so far, a good a pproach, as well, to ensuring a robust effort there. But, again, as I said, anecdotally, the closure appears to be working. It's being respected, and our NROs are deployed there to make sure that they continue their vigilance. Well, perhaps I could share this map.

I don't know if the member has the map, but the –it's colour- coded, and it explains how the GHA was approached, and so if he has any further questions, we certainly could arrange for a briefing. We did have a briefing with the Manitoba Wildlife Federation with our now -acting Wildlife director, which I think was important, as well, to explain the approach. And so, if the member wants any further information, we can provide that. So I'll just leave this with the Clerk. Mr. Maguire: I just want to g o back to the Aboriginal Relations just for a second here.

There was–I noticed in the supplementaries there, that there's one full -time equivalent increase in the Regional Services and Parks for the western region in the realignment for Aboriginal Relation s policy development, and I just wondered what all this position entails. * (15:50) Mr. Mackintosh: The department operationally thought that it was valuable for the Aboriginal relations FTE to be available for serving a broader

1040 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 geographic area and broader policy development needs than as a regional deployment. So I understand that it really was about rationalizing or making best use of an important FTE. Mr. Wishart: And moving on, we'd like to talk a little bit about the WNO initiative on the east side of Lake Winnipeg. Want to know where you're at in terms of activities, in terms of how many of the planning processes, the land use planning processes, are completed, and how many remain to be done?

And if you can outline briefly some of the activities of the WNO Secretariat and where its direction is. Mr. Mackintosh: Yes. I'm advised that the WNO communities that are interested in moving ahead with planning are entitled, then, to, you know, support. And he asked questions about the secretariat. It's there to provide that land use planning support and for oversight. I'm advised that the four World Heritage site communities have essentially completed or are at least very near completion of their traditional area land use plans. Mr.

Wishart: Thank you, and does that include, then, Poplar River and their proposed land management plan, or that's a separate process, is it not? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes. That includes Poplar River, and I'm advised that they've completed their work. Mr. Wishart: The other three have not yet completed their work then–they're in the process? Mr. Mackintosh: I'm advised that, yes, Poplar River is completed as well. Black River is completed. Little Grand –Bloodvein, I'm sorry, Bloodvein. Bloodvein is completed.

Little Grand Rapids is completed, again, Pauingassi is very near completion, and, indeed, they expect its completion in the next few weeks. Mr. Wishart: And these weren't a requirement to be included in the application for World Heritage site then? They did not have to be completed before the application? Mr.

Mackintosh: The short answer to the question is that the completion of the management plans wasn't necessary in order to submit the bid, but an overall management plan for the World Heritage site was submitted that compris ed the whole general area, and the individual plans, we advised, would be completed soon. The nomination materials did include, then, the Poplar and Bloodvein plans, and, over the next few weeks when Pauingassi is in, Pauingassi and Little Grand will be submitted to Parks Canada. And Parks Canada sends it on, then, to UNESCO. Mr. Wishart: Thank you, Mr. Minister, for answers.

So that'll–there'll be additional information submitted over a short period of time or is it going to be a while before everything is completed? Is there more besides what you've just referenced? Mr. Mackintosh: I'm advised that everything that was necessary to be in the bid materials was included, but the additional two plans will be sent there, and it's expected within the next few weeks, like, perhaps the next month, at the outside, is what I'm advised by staff. Mr. Wishart: I want to go back a little bit to the WNO Secretariat.

A big part of their role, of course, was helping in the development of these and gathering information for the application. Will that secretariat continue in a different role in the future? Will its size change? And exactly how is that being funded? Entirely by Conservation or is it a shared process? * (16:00) Mr. Mackintosh: The priorities were those initial four communities that we talked about. But there are the other communities that now will be the greater focus of the secretariat in looking at the land- use plans for them. Mr. Wishart: So the size of the secretariat will remain the same?

And how is the funding done again? Is it entirely from Conservation? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, as I recall, the question was, what's the funding source for the secretariat, and it is provincial. An Honourable Member: Your department entirely? An Honourable Member: Yes. Mr. Wishart: Mr. Chairman, are there any contractors that are being, in terms of developing these regional management plans, that are being paid for out of the secretariat as well, or is it staff -only activity?

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1041 Mr. Mackintosh: The Province doesn't engage in contracts with WNO, but there is a grant to WNO Inc. and so the –which is the council of chiefs, so they may well, and expectedly would, have some contract work being done to pursue their objectives, I'm presuming so. Mr. Wishart: You're referring to the $2.5- million grant that was given to WNO Council of Chiefs, back in 2007? Is that the amount that you're referring to? The grant? Mr. Mackintosh: There was a –the 2.5 was a multi - year commitment. Mr. Wishart: Sorry, Mr. Chairman. How many years? Mr.

Mackintosh: Over five years. Mr. Wishart: So, if I understand this correctly, just so I'm clear on it, it's half a million dollars per year for five years, terminating this year. The work has terminated at the same time. Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, and this year the allocation is $250,000. Mr. Wishart: So is this all the monies that the WNO Council of Chiefs has received from the provincial government to do this work? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes. Mr.

Wishart: So, based on your reduction in funding and the fact that most of them appear to have finished their resource management plans, we've pieced together enough that we will, shortly, have a broad-area plan for the east side–for the resource management on the east side? Mr. Mackintosh: The expectation is that there will be more communities that will have their plans completed. Mr. Wishart: But no additional funding is provided for that. They're providing their own funding to do the additional work? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, well, it's under the $250,000 from the Province. Mr. Wishart: Okay. Thank you.

I'll perhaps leave this for now, because I know my colleague from River Heights has a few questions he'd like to ask. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): I asked the minister a number of years ago, his department was involved in an alternate land -use service plan in Blanshard municipality. Can the minister provide, you know, the start date and the end date and whether there's been a report on the results of that program? * (16:10) Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, we can check for the member with MAFRI. They were the lead on that initiative and determine the status of the report.

But it certainly looks like this is the kind of a pilot that can provide some good information and some informed strategies as we proceed. Mr. Gerrard: Yes. The department is involved, I know, with flood prevention around Lake Manitoba, providing grants of, I think, up to $40,000 to help with flood mitigation of –and prevention around homes, including raising homes or putting in rocks or various other activities. The–can the minister provide me how that –an insight into how that program is working? Mr.

Mackintosh: The responsibility, as the member should know, for flood reparation, flood forecasting, is now with MIT. It's been consolidated in MIT, and, of course, MAFRI continues to have a role with regard to agricultural compensation programs. But the reorganization of the government on January 13th made that change so that we have a more streamlined and consolidated effort in the–in MIT. So we've moved from three departments to two departments that are the–that have major responsibility in respect of flood compensation and mitigation. Mr. Gerrard: Yes.

So that whole program which was under Water Stewardship is now under MIT, and there is nothing left of it in Conservation or Water Stewardship now. Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, and we had some discussion earlier in Estimates that the member could reference as well. If he wants any further information, we can provide that, but the responsibilities that he's talking about certainly have been transferred to MIT. The approach generally is that Conservation and Water Stewardship retains responsibility for water quality and the flood issues are vested in MIT to join many of the program s that were there.

So it really follows the experience of the last year, and in particular, in terms of better organizing efforts around the impact of flooding in Manitoba.

1042 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA May 10, 2012 Mr. Gerrard: Yes. May I ask the minister, does the department of Water Stewardship and Conservation have any role whatsoever now in flood prevention? Mr. Mackintosh: Water control works are now –are vested in MIT, and rightly so, as infrastructure. And I'll say that th e Surface Water Management Strategy that's in development and efforts to better develop upstream retention of water is one that Conservation and Water Stewardship can have some role with obviously, as well as MAFRI.

But in terms of the water control works that–the traditional notion of the water control works now are vested in MIT. Mr. Gerrard: And in the budget estimates, what amount of money is there provided for water retention? Mr. Mackintosh: Well, I guess it's important to define what the member means by water retention, because the MIT responsibility for water control infrastructure, such, you know, as dams, for example, are budget items that MIT has within its budget.

The retaining of water on the land, on the other hand, and efforts to enhance we tlands protection, of course, continue on with Conservation and Water Stewardship.

But, if the member is looking for the water control works that –such as dams, then the questions are rightly for MIT, and I think I should also remind the member that conserv ation districts under the jurisdiction of this department and the appropriate legislation continues to be an important part of Conservation and Water Stewardship because the benefits of the work of conservation districts is about drought, it's about nutrie nt management and drainage, generally.

So the 18 conservation districts in Manitoba, you know, allocate, certainly, one to– I think–$1.5 million in terms of land- based water retention initiatives. Mr. Gerrard: Is that one to one -point-five million dollars of land -based water retention initiatives –is that the direct funding of the initiatives or is that administrative costs or what is it? And is that in this year? Mr. Mackintosh: Well, that's this year. For example, the '12-13 budget in respective conser - vation districts is 1.46 million I'm advised, and the provincial share is $1.1 million –oh, yes, just for water retention. Mr.

Gerrard: So the provincial share is $1.1 million and that's just for water retention. Is that in this fiscal year? Mr. Mackintosh: Well, the total allocation for conservation districts is up this year. We had a discussion about that earlier. It's about $5.7 million, but the allocation specifically for water retention projects is $1.1 million from the province, but the conservation di stricts are, this year, planning $1.46 million. They have other funding sources as well, as the member probably knows. Mr.

Gerrard: So what the minister is saying is that for putting in a dam, it depends very much on the size of the dam, where it is and so on. So, for instance, at Pellys Lake, which is southwest of Treherne, whether you're looking at putting in two dams, I think the conservation district has a primary role there, that cost –is that included in the 1.1 or 1.4 million dollars? Mr.

Mackintosh: The department advise that they would look at whether that was a conservation district initiative or whether that was a Province of Manitoba initiative, and we can get back to the member on the funding source for that particular works. Mr. Gerrard: I wou ld appreciate that, and, you know, if you can provide more clarification on the distinction for what is one versus the other that would also be helpful. The–I know one of the things that the minister has been involved with is the request or the proposal for peat mining in provincial parks. What is t he current status of that, and– Mr.

Chairperson: Honourable Minister. Mr. Mackintosh: There was an application for a peat mine in the Hecla/Grindstone park, and, as a result of the process that's in place, ther e was public feedback that was solicited and obtained and the– there have been, as well, applications under appeal for some peat operations in the general area, and so that really has compelled an examination of all of that and, looking at the, you know, a cumulative view, and so there have been some necessary consultations that have flowed from that, both with regard to the Aboriginal stakeholders and commercial interests. * (16:20) Mr.

Gerrard: When is a decision expected on the– whether or not there would be a go -ahead for peat mining in the provincial park? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, the consultations that are ongoing, as I said, with the Aboriginal and commercial interests will determine that, but it's my

May 10, 2012 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 1043 understanding that discussions have been happening and are moving forward. So it's my expectation that we'll be moving to some conclusion in the near future on that. Mr. Gerrard: And when is the surface water management strategy expected to be completed and delivered? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, we had a discussio n about this earlier in Estimates as well. The scoping session and the summit was held on April 3rd.

That was comprised of about 144 representatives, particularly from conservation districts and the rural municipalities and others and environmental NGOs and academics and government and agricultural reps. And that helped to scope out what the issues were that had to be addressed through a comprehensive strategy. And as we spoke about earlier here, there–it's necessary to be tying in the wetlands and peatla nds aspects and making sure that we're dealing with the surface water management in a way that we haven't in the past.

We definitely have to look at everything from governance in Manitoba to how we better guard against drought and nutrient runoff that is a top priority. The stakeholder engagement that was started at the summit will continue. There are ongoing meetings with the key stakeholders and that's expected to happen until at least the end of August or early fall. And public input, as well, has been invited through the website.

So, as a result, I think by –as a result, by the end of summer we should have a good sense as to the issues that have to be fleshed out and we should have a good timeline in mind by, I think, by that occurrence. Mr. Gerrard: Yes, when is the phosphorus expected to be removed from the sewage of Winnipeg to help Lake Winnipeg and is –are things on track to be able to do that by the legislated time? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, the south end licence was issued in the last few weeks and th e north end licence application is expected and required by June 16th. Mr. Gerrard: It's required to be completed by June 16th.

Is it on track to do that? Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, it's –I should clarify, it's not the licence application per se, it's the City's plan, as per The Save Lake Winnipeg Act, and that is expected on June 16th, and we have no information to suggest otherwise. Mr. Gerrard: There's a legislative timeline f or having that plan implemented so the phosphorus is removed. Is the City on track to meet that legislative timeline? Mr. Mackintosh: Well, the June 16th date is the one date that's important for the City to comply with.

And when we –when the Province receives the plan, they'll analyze it to determine its effectiveness. Mr. Gerrard: So what the minister is saying is that, you know, it could be 2016, it could be 2018, it could be 2020 or it could be 2025 before the plan is actually implemented. Mr. Mackintosh: So, as the City proceeds with the South End plant, the plan to be submitted by June 16th to the Province will outline what the City's strategy is, as proposed, and at that time we'll be looking at what's contained in it and determine the timelines that are required. Mr.

Gerrard: The minister mentioned the South End plant, but I think he's talking about –June 16th is the North End plant. Mr. Mackintosh: Yes, the June 16th date is for the submission of the North End plant. The South End plant, the environmental licence was issued in the last few weeks–I think the last couple of weeks. Mr. Gerrard: Yes, the North End plant has taken a long time. What would be the minister's goal in terms of ensuring that the phosphorus is out of the sewage at the North End plant, because that's a major contributor, to help Lake Winnipeg. Mr. Mackintosh: Well, clearly, the interest

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