Manitoba Hansard — 3 November 2022 (Sitting 81B, 42nd Legislature, 4th Session)

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Fourth Session – Forty-Second Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Myrna Driedger Speaker Vol. LXXVI No. 81B - 1:30 p.m., Thursday, November 3, 2022 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Second Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALTOMARE, Nello Transcona NDP ASAGWARA, Uzoma Union Station NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian Keewatinook NDP CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy Kildonan-River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Roblin PC EICHLER, Ralph Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GORDON, Audrey, Hon.

Southdale PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah, Hon. Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg, Hon. Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek, Hon. Interlake-Gimli PC JOHNSTON, Scott, Hon. Assiniboia PC KHAN, Obby Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan, Hon. Selkirk PC LAMONT, Dougald St. Boniface Lib. LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib.

LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya Notre Dame NDP MARTIN, Shannon McPhillips PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC MOSES, Jamie St. Vital NDP NAYLOR, Lisa Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg, Hon. Riding Mountain PC PEDERSEN, Blaine Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle, Hon. Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP REYES, Jon, Hon. Waverley PC SALA, Adrien St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu The Maples NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SMITH, Andrew, Hon.

Lagimodière PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Vérendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry NDP WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC Vacant Kirkfield Park

3671 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, November 3, 2022 The House met at 1:30 p.m. Madam Speaker: Good afternoon, everybody. Please be seated. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS Madam Speaker: Introduction of bills? COMMITTEE REPORTS Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development Ninth Report Mr. Dennis Smook (Chairperson): I wish to present the ninth report of the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development. Deputy Clerk (Mr. Rick Yarish): Your Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development– Some Honourable Members: Dispense. Madam Speaker: Dispense.

Your Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development presents the following as its Ninth Report. Meetings Your Committee met on November 2, 2022, at 7:00 p.m. in Room 254 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Bill (No. 40) – The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act / Loi édictant la

Loi sur les registres des clients dans le secteur de l'hébergement et modifiant la

Loi sur les services à l'enfant et à la famille et la

Loi sur l'exploitation sexuelle d'enfants et la traite de personnes • Bill (No. 43) – The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act /

Loi sur la communication de renseignements pour la protection contre la violence de la part d'un partenaire intime • Bill (No. 46) – The Highway Traffic Amendment Act / Loi modifiant le Code de la route Committee Membership • Ms. M ARCELINO • Mr. MICHALESKI • Hon. Mr. PIWNIUK • Mr. SMOOK (Chairperson) • Hon. Ms. SQUIRES • Mr. WIEBE Your Committee elected Mr. MICHALESKI as the Vice-Chairperson. Non-Committee Members Speaking on Record • Ms. LAMOUREUX Public Presentations Your Committee heard the follo wing presentation on Bill (No. 43) – The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act /

Loi sur la communication de renseignements pour la protection contre la violence de la part d'un partenaire intime: Debra Danco, Canadian Centre for Child Protection Inc. Your Committee heard the following presentation on Bill (No. 46) – The Highway Traffic Amendment Act / Loi modifiant le Code de la route: Roland Boille, RB Telecom Solutions Written Submissions Your Committee received the following three written submissions on Bill (No. 40) – The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act / Loi édictant la

Loi sur les registres des clients dans le secteur de l'hébergement et modifiant la

Loi sur les services à l'enfant et à la famille et la

Loi sur l'exploitation sexuelle d'enfants et la traite de personnes: Lianna McDonald, Canadian Centre for Child Protection Inc. Hunter Doubt, Expedia Group Emmett O'Keefe, Booking.com

3672 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 Bills Considered and Reported • Bill (No. 40) – The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act / Loi édictant la

Loi sur les registres des clients dans le secteur de l'hébergement et modifiant la

Loi sur les services à l'enfant et à la famille et la

Loi sur l'exploitation sexuelle d'enfants et la traite de personnes Your Committee agreed to report this Bill with the following three amendments: THAT

Schedule A to the Bill (The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act) be amended by renumbering Clause 5 as Clause 5(1) and adding the following as Clause 5(2): More than one person admitted to occupy lodging 5(2) If more than one customer is admitted to occupy the same lodging, the registry keeper must enter the information for only one customer. THAT

Schedule A to the Bill (The Hospitality Sector Customer Regist ry Act) be amended by replacing Clause 7 with the following: Customer to provide identification 7 A customer must provide the prescribed identi - fication in the following manner: (

a) in the case of a hotel, to the registry keeper, at the time the customer is admitted to occupy a lodging or at another prescribed time; (

b) in the case of an online accommodation platform, to the registry keeper or to the person prescribed to be acting on behalf of the registry keeper, at the time the customer is admitted to occ upy a lodging or at another prescribed time; (

c) in the case of any other registry keeper, to the registry keeper, at the time the customer accesses the services provided by the registry keeper or at another prescribed time. THAT

Schedule A to the Bill (Th e Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act) be amended in Clause 20(1) by replacing the proposed clause 20(1)(

g) with the following: (

g) respecting the collection, use, disclosure and retention of information and records obtained under this Act; (g.1) prescribing the persons who may act on behalf of a registry keeper and the duties of such persons; • Bill (No. 43) – The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act /

Loi sur la communication de renseignements pour la protection contre la violence de la part d'un partenaire intime Your Committee agreed to report this Bill without amendment. • Bill (No. 46) – The Highway Traffic Amendment Act / Loi modifiant le Code de la route Your Committee agreed to report this Bill without amendment. Mr. Smook: I move, seconded by the honour able member for Dauphin (Mr. Michaleski), that the report of the committee be received. Motion agreed to. Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs Fourth Report Mr.

Andrew Micklefield (Chairperson): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs. Deputy Clerk: Your Standing Com mittee on Legislative Affairs– Some Honourable Members: Dispense. Madam Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs presents the following as its Fourth Report. Meetings Your Committee met on November 2, 2022, at 6:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Bill (No. 225) – The Non-Disclosure Agreements Act /

Loi sur les accords de confidentialité Committee Membership • Hon. Ms. G ORDON • Mr. MICKLEFIELD • Ms. NAYLOR • Mr. REDHEAD • Hon. Mr. WHARTON • Mr. WOWCHUK Your Committee elected Mr. MICKLEFIELD as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected Mr. WOWCHUK as the Vice-Chairperson.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3673 Substitutions received during committee proceedings: • Hon. Mr. GOERTZEN for Hon. Mr. WHARTON Non-Committee Members Speaking on Record • Mr. LAMONT Public Presentations Your Committee heard the following 18 presentations on Bill (No. 225) – The Non-Disclosure Agreements Act /

Loi sur les accords de confidentialité: Shannon Hancock, Private Citizen Julie Roginsky, Lift Our Voices Marcel Williamson, Private Citizen Karen Koslowsky-Jones, Private Citizen Julie MacFarlane, Can't Buy My Silence Sherri Thomson, Private Citizen Jan Wong, Private Citizen Pam Gordon, Private Citizen Susan MacRae, Private Citizen Kelly Donovan, Private Citizen Jennifer Schulz, Private Citizen Laura Fougere, Private Citizen Aalya Ahmad, Private Citizen Bridget Lontok, Private Citizen Barbara Captijn, Private Citizen Heidi Rimke, Private Citizen Candide Allen, Private Citizen Douglas Kuny, Private Citizen Written Submissions Your Committee received the following written submission on Bill (No. 225) – The Non- Disclosure Agreements Act /

Loi sur les accords de confidentialité: Grant Driedger, Manitoba Law Reform Commission Bills Considered and Reported • Bill (No. 225) – The Non-Disclosure Agreements Act /

Loi sur les accords de confidentialité Your Committee agreed to report this Bill without amendment. Mr. Micklefield: Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable member for Kildonan- River East (Mrs. Cox), that the report of the com mittee be received. Motion agreed to. TABLING OF REPORTS Hon. Alan Lagimodiere (Minister of Indigenous Reconciliation and Northern Relations): Madam Speaker, I'm pleased to table the Path to Reconciliation Act Annual Progress Report 2021-22 for the Department of Indigenous Reconciliation and Northern Relations. Hon.

Cliff Cullen (Acting Government House Leader): I am pleased to table the sequence for the consideration of departmental Estimates in the Com - mittee of Supply. Madam Speaker: And in accordance with

section 32(1) of The Elections Act, and subsec tion 107(1) of The Election Financing Act, I am tabling the Annual Report for Ele ctions Manitoba for the fiscal year ending December 31st, 2021, including a report on modifica- tions to the voting process for the Fort Whyte by- election. MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Madam Speaker: The honourable First Minister–and I would indicate that the re quired 90 minutes notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accord- ance with rule 26(2). Would the honourable minister please proceed with her statement. Remembrance Day Hon.

Heather Stefanson (Premier): Madam Speaker, I rise today to recognize Remembrance Day Awareness Week, a time when Manitobans remember and honour the heroes who served our country. Across our province, Manitobans will take

part in ceremonies to remember those who have died in mili- tary conflicts in the First and Second World Wars, in Korea and to the present day. At the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, the armistice was signed between the allies and Germany for the cessation of hostilities in the western front in 1918. Every year on November 11th, Canadians pause in a moment of silence to honour and remember those who have served and continue to serve Canada during times of war, conflict and peace.

We remember the more than 2.3 million Canadians who have served throughout our nation's history and the more than 118,000 who made the ultimate sacrifice. Jack Winter Quelch, of Birtle, Manitoba, was in the trenches at Passchendaele. In a letter to his mother he wrote, and I quote: I thought I had seen a few thou- sand guns while I have been in France but have never seen the mass of guns there are in this place and the incessant bombardment. The country is a big jelly pot of wet mud and water , shaking, or rather quivering,

3674 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 under the fire of the guns. I have seen a few hundred dead, too, but this is the worst. It 's an ungodly hole. From the front line to three miles back there is hell. I think I will leave it at that. They are lying all over, shell holes full of water and corpses. End quote. Madam Speaker, today we remember Jack and all those who fought for our country. Madam Speaker, the Centennial Flame on Memorial Boulevard has been lit to mark the beginning of Remembrance Day activities throughout Manitoba.

It was also lit in recognition of a ceremony with the Royal Canadian Legion that presented the first poppy of the 2022 Poppy Campaign to the Lieutenant Governor of Manitoba. The flame serves as a physical reminder of the lasting impacts of war and conflict, and how our vet - erans have helped shape our province, country and world for the better. The Poppy Blanket is again on display at the Grand Staircase of the Legislative Assembly.

Created by Sheilah Lee Restall, who joins us in the Speaker's Gallery today, with the assistance of hundreds of volunteers, the Poppy Blanket consists of over 8,000 handmade poppies; in over 26 metres in length, and has over 2,000 dedicated ribbons. It has featured during the anthems at the Winnipeg Jets game, The Joint Veterans Association Remembrance Day cere - mony at the Winnipeg Convention Centre and is disp- layed each year at the Manitoba Legislature.

Madam Speaker, I encourage all Manitobans to wear a poppy, take a moment to reflect this week and to observe the moment of silence at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month. Let us remember those who fought, those w ho died and those who were injured. Let us all also remember those who carried the scars and memories of war throughout their lives. And, finally, let us remember those who have worked for peace, today and throughout our country's history. Lest we forget. Madam Speaker, I am honoured to acknowl edge and welcome the Joint Veterans Association, who join us in the gallery today.

The Joint Veterans Association also serves as the organizing committee for the Remembrance Day Service at the Convention Centre each year, and Mr. Armand Lavallee has served as chair for 30 years. On behalf of all Manitobans, I want to thank you and the entire Joint Veterans Association for your service. Thank you. Madam Speaker: The honourable First Minister. Mrs. Stefanson: Madam Speaker, I seek leave for a moment of silence after all statements have concluded. Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, I want to begin by ex- pressing our profound thanks for the service of the veterans who join us today. You are among those who have delivered us our freedoms and as we gather here as parliamentarians, we only do so within the context of a democracy that you helped to ensure continues to this day. So, thank you for your service. I also want to thank the artist behind the beautiful Poppy Blanket that we can now witness along the Grand Staircase. I had the op portunity to study it today, along with some guests who are joining us in the gallery.

And I also want to say that this past year, our family lost a good friend who was a notable war veteran. And thinking of him and his relatives today reminds me that the sacrifices of those who have served over the years includes those who laid down their lives to protect our liberty. It includes those who survived the theatres of war and peacekeeping operations, but it also includes the families left be - hind, tragically in many cases. * (13:40) November 11th is Remembrance Day, and we know it across this great country for the important tri- butes that we pay to those who have served.

Across Manitoba, I know that each of us will return to our own constituencies and find ways to honour those that we hold in such high esteem. We know that the red poppies being worn by Manitobans across this province–again, I see many of them in the Chamber today, and I want to thank our colleague from Brandon East for also furnishing us with some of those poppy pins.

And so, we encourage Manitobans from all walks of life to wear a poppy, to reflect on the sig nificance of doing so a nd to find a respectful way to honour it after Remembrance Day, either laying it on a wreath or finding a place to safe- guard it safely, as we do safeguard the memories of those who came before us. I also want to acknowl edge that Indigenous Veterans Day will come on November 8th, and in the Indigenous community in Canada, where Canadian First Nations people are allowed to serve in both the Canadian Armed Forces as well as the United States

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3675 military, we honour our warriors. That's why at every powwow we let the veterans go before us. We shake their hands and say thank you for your service and we stand at attention for the Flag Song and we dance hard for the veterans song. And so, I encourage all Indigenous youth to practise and continue those tradi- tions, to honour our warriors. At this time I would like to also encourage Canadians to use this Remembrance Day as an oppor- tunity to reflect on how we must treat our veterans bet- ter here in these lands when they come home.

Far too many veterans confront issues like PTSD, homeless- ness, poverty and other forms of trauma. It's my belief that if you pick up a gun or a helmet or a stretcher to serve this country, then this country owes you at the very least to treat you with respect for the rest of your time here on Earth. So I call on all of us Canadians to demand better treatment for our heroes. This coming week, I know that we will have an opportunity to reflect also on the importance of those who are undergoing training operations overseas right now in theatres close to the Ukraine.

And so we send our best to everyone who will be away from their families this Remembrance Day. Words cannot do justice to the debt that is owed, but here today and on Remembrance Day, we say thank you for your service. Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): I seek leave to speak to the minister's statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the ministerial statement? [Agreed] Mr. Lamont: As we approach Remembrance Day this year, we do so once again with the spectre of war in Europe.

I've mentioned many times in this House that I had grandfathers, great -uncles, an aunt and uncle who served in the First and Second World War. On November 11, 1918, my father's father, J.S. Lamont, was with Canadian troops d uring the liberation of Mons, Belgium. My great -uncle, Frank Bastin, who I knew as a child, fought at the Somme, Vimy, before being shot in a trench and left for dead and stripped of his gear in the last months of the war. Since his chances of survival wer e next to nothing, a telegram was sent home telling his family he was dead.

They were surprised and overjoyed to learn six weeks later that he was alive. My mother's father, Robert Barrett, served in the RAF in the First World War and happened to be the right age to serve in the Second, as well, in the royal engineers. His brother, Alfred, was killed at Vimy, fighting for Canada, and his body was never found, though his name is on the Vimy memorial. Another brother, Gilbert, crashed many times in RAF training in the First World War and never re - covered from his PTSD.

My great -uncle, Jack Clarke, who was born in Armagh, Northern Ireland, was known as one of the town's troublemakers and was shot down by a German plane on a training flight on the 9th of May, 1941. He was awarded a prize for his bravery because he crawled back into the burning wreckage of the plane to pull his instructor free. He wrote in his account, he said: When I awaken- ed, I was in a narrow bed, my arm in a plaster, resting on a pillow. T here were curtains around the bed and some noise I made attracted Davy's attention –Davy being his instructor–in the bed beyond. How are you feeling, Clarke?

Drunk as a lord, sir, and I was–he was because they were both on morphine. He seemed quite cheerful, even lively. His wife and parents were with him. I fell asleep again. When I awakened, the bed next to me was empty. When the effects of the anesthetic wore off, as it did very soon, I suffered what was told–what I was told was secondary shock but I am quite convinced it was my first attack of depression. I had not thought Davy might die. Serious injury, yes, but he had been so cheerful and alert and the sight of the empty bed, I think, started the depression. I didn't need to be told he had died.

Jack was told he was a hero, but it hurt because Davy's family and fiancé couldn't forgive him and he couldn't forgive himself for saving Davy –for not being able to save Davy either. In his later years, he wrote: all the miserable hap- penings around the medal devalued it in my mind for years but now, in my old age, I have a mild sense of pride in that I was the only pupil pilot to have been shot down and then decorated.

At the end of the First World War, in the nego- tiations at Versailles, John Maynard Keynes quit and wrote the consequences of the peace, in which he warned that the punitive measures, acting almost out of a sense of revenge, could mean another war in 20 years. And his prediction came true. After the Second World War, there was a sharply different response: a commit ment to rebuilding and peace and forgiveness. A Marshall Plan of forgiveness

3676 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 and invest ment, and this, too, is

an act of remem - brance that honours what our forebearers fought for – for peace, for democracy, to live free as we choose. These ideals have sometimes failed us, but they are always ideals worth striving for. We will pray for a just and swift end to the war in Ukraine. And this November 11th, we will remember and honour the dead. Lest we forget. Thank you. Madam Speaker: Is there leave for a moment of silence? [Agreed] Please stand. A moment of silence was observed.

Introduction of Guests Madam Speaker: It seems timely right now for me to intro duce the guests that have already been re- ferenced before we move on to the next min isterial statement. But I would like to draw your attention to all hon- ourable members to the Speaker's Gallery, where we have with us today Sheilah Lee Restall, the creator of the Poppy Blanket, which is now on display at the Grand Staircase of the Manitoba Legislative Building. And also in the public gallery, we have with us today members of the Joint Veterans Association, in- cluding co-chairs Armand Lavallee and Peter Correia.

On behalf of all honour able members here, we welcome all of you to the Legislative Assembly. And I think I'll introduce the students to you now, too, because they're going to be leaving soon. We have seated in the public gallery, from Collège Jeanne-Sauvé, 28 grade 9 students under the direction of Dominic Courcelles, and this group is lo- cated in the con stituency of the honour able member for Riel (Ms. Squires). On behalf of all of us here, we also welcome you to the Manitoba Legislature. * * * Madam Speaker: Further ministerial statements?

The honourable Minister of Health –and I would indicate that the required 90 minutes notice prior to routine proceedings was provided in accordance with rule 26(2). Would the honourable minister please proceed with her statement. Lung Cancer Awareness Month Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): Madam Speaker, I'm pleased to rise in the Chamber today to proclaim the month of November as Lung Cancer Awareness Month. Lung cancer affects approximately 30,000 Canadians every year and will claim the lives of 21,000 mor e.

While the number of people diag- nosed with lung cancer has decreased steadily since 1990, there is still more work to be done. A quarter of all cancer deaths will be from lung and bronchus cancers. And smoking, I'm told, Madam Speaker, is responsible f or about 30 per cent of all cancer deaths and is known to cause or increase one's risk of developing lung cancer. Our government is proud to support the first Manitoba health -related social impact bond, Quit Smoking with Your Manitoba Pharmacist.

This initia- tive is supporting thousands of people over a three - year period to become non-smokers. * (13:50) Manitobans over the age of 18 are eligible for assistance and can approach partici pating local phar- macies for an initial assessment. They will also re - ceive follow-up counselling sessions and up to $100 worth of prescribed medications, and nicotine replace- ment therapies will be offered over a one-year period to support individuals in their journey to quit.

Lung Cancer Canada is also a resource for lu ng cancer education, patient support, research and advo- cacy and invites everyone to raise awareness and show support for those diagnosed with lung cancer by joining the Hope Army. The Hope Army is a group of lung cancer patients and supporters who wi ll fight this deadly disease by raising awareness through their joint voices and ac - tions. Our government remains committed to working with stake holders in the health system to increase awareness of lung cancer. Madam Speaker, early detection is key in the fight against cancer.

It is important that people with family histories of cancer, those who smoke or have other high-risk factors regularly screen for all cancers. This November, I encourage Manitobans to sup- port cancer research, get active and avoid activities that increase your risk of lung cancer. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3677 Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): Lung Cancer Awareness Month is a time to have important con - versations about lung cancer, it is–as it is the leading cause of cancer deaths. More efforts are needed to raise awareness of the causes and preventions of lung cancer. This could go a long way in reducing the number of patients or people at risk of the illness altogether. While cigarette smoking is far –by far the most common cause of lung cancer, radon is the No. 1 cause of lung cancer among non-smoking people and generally the second cause of lung cancer.

Now, radon is one of the most deadliest naturally occurring health risks present in our world today. It is a radioactive gas and is mainly present in indoor environments, which includes homes, schools and workplaces. However, the level of radon in one place as well as the duration of a person's stay in that environment determines if they become at risk of lung cancer or not. In contrast, radon present in outdoor spaces raises little concern because of –air dilutes the gas to non- threatening levels. Consequently, it is important to en- sure proper ventilation and tests for radon in indoor spaces.

Radon detection technology ranges from an alpha track detector operated by professionals to radon home test kits that anyone can purchase. Last month, I had the pleasure of meeting Pam Warkentin from Canadian Association of Radon Scientists and Technologists, as well as Adam Anderson from the Manitoba Lung Association. I thank them and all others for their work to increase awareness about radon and their efforts to reduce the risk of lung cancer in Manitoba.

Therefore, at this time I encourage everyone pre- sent and all Manitobans to support Lung Cancer Awareness Month by going to takeactiononradon.ca to learn more about how they can reduce the risk of lung cancer for themselves and those around them. Thank you so much, Madam Speaker. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, I ask for leave to speak to the minister's statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to respond to the ministerial statement? [Agreed] Mr.

Gerrard: Madam Speaker, there's need for ur - gent action to create better awareness of lung cancer and for better measures and efforts to screen for and detect lung cancer early. I've had far too many calls within –from individ- uals and families where there's been lung cancer be- cause the cancer was detected too late. There have been significant improvements in lung cancer treat - ment in the last decade and more are coming. But there is a critical need to detect lung cancer early where the chances of successful treatment are much greater.

There are two well-established major risk factors for lung cancer: smoking and radon exposure. In parts of Manitoba where there are very high proportions of homes with high radon levels, it is as likely that the lung cancer would be caused by radon as by smoking. We are not doing nearly enough–a good enough job of screening the smokers who have lung cancer. We need to do better. All homes in Manitoba need to be tested for radon levels. One quarter of homes have high radon levels, and there is nowhere –way to check unless you test.

There is nowhere near an adequate public health effort to test Manitoba homes, starting in areas with highest risk levels. The Province should ensure that there are digital radon monitors in every library in the province so that people can easily access them to test the radon level in their home. In order for testing and mitigation to be effective, the Manitoba government needs to subsidize the miti- gation for those on low and middle incomes, and to make the costs of mitigation tax deductible for those on higher incomes.

It is not acceptable that both NDP and PC govern- ments over many years have done so little to help detect and mitigate high radon levels in homes when this is such a significant contributor to lung cancer in our province. Thank you. Merci. Miigwech. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Community Safety Initiatives Mr. Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): We know that many Manitobans are deeply concerned about crime. People are worried. People are scared to go downtown. People want to see improvements and people have had enough I was very proud to see o ur Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) announce today $3 million to the

3678 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 Winnipeg Police Service, RCMP and other police agencies to create an integrated violent offender ap - prehension unit and strengthen intensive bail and probation services for serious violent offenders. These are concrete steps our gov ernment is taking to make our communities safer. Our government will continue to take strong action to combat crime and violence at its root causes across our province, while supporting vulnerable Manitobans.

Just this week, we also announced that we are increasing our annual funding rates to shelters, transi- tional housing and homeless outreach mentors to $15.1 million from $6.1 million. This will be an increase of $9 million. Along with that, our gov ernment also announced another $3.6 million to an already committed $5-million initial investment to the Downtown Community Safe- ty Partnership, a collaborative community initia tive aimed at creating a safer, more inviting downtown Winnipeg for businesses and residences.

However, many Manitobans have expressed that crime is rising not only in downtown Winnipeg, but across the entire city and province. I was very happy to learn that a couple in my constituency of Fort Whyte are doing more than just talking about it; they are taking action. I would like to recognize Brendan Bain and his wife Dayna Palsson, who are here today in our viewing gallery, for spear - heading and going out of their way to organize community safety meetings at the Linden Woods Community Centre.

This has become a monthly occurrence in which meetings are a safe space for community to come together, have discussion, share stories and make action plans on what we can do to make our community safer. This is a monthly meeting; I encourage everyone to attend. We are planning a larger safety forum to engage more of the com munity, along with the Winnipeg police and the Minister of Justice (Mr. Goertzen). I ask that we stand today and recog nize Brendan and Dayna for their hard work. SABE Peace Walkers Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Osborne Village, like many com - munities across Manitoba, has seen more issues with addictions, crime and homelessness. That's why I was moved when I heard this story from a constituent. Not too long ago, a retired woman who lives by herself in the village went out for a night at the sym- phony. And I guess the orchestra was in fine form because they played a number of encores. But what this meant is that the senior had to take a later bus home and got off at the corner of River and Osborne much closer to midnight than she'd expected.

She was feeling a little uneasy about being out at this time of night by herself, when she was approached by a few young Indigenous people. Now, she smiled when they walked up to her because she recognized their blue and yellow vests – they were SABE Peace Walkers. That night, they gave the woman a walk home and ensured she got into her condo safely. * (14:00) The SABE Peace Walkers, with the support of the Osborne Village BIZ, have been running a 17- week pilot foot patrol since August to bring safety, support and services to our community. They've been able to de-escalate situations in the neighbourhood.

They've been able to respond to mental health crises with a compassionate approach that, quite frankly, frees up first responder and police resources to respond to other calls. They do this while reminding us to think of our relatives on the street as part of our community. The woman who they gave a safe walk home to came to our recent town hall where we introduced SABE to local residents, and she said: I thought they were only there for people in distress. I didn't know they were there for people like me.

Another woman said: if all of us seniors find out we can come out at night again, then you are going to be very, very busy. I would ask for leave to continue another 15 seconds to conclude my statement. Madam Speaker: Does the member have leave to conclude his statement? [Agreed] Mr. Kinew: This SABE Peace Walkers pilot program is being funded by Manitoba Liquor & Lotteries, so I urge them to extend it. And to the SABE Peace Walkers, I say, miigwech. Thank you for making our community safer by walking among us with calmness, compassion and love for your fellow Manitobans.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3679 Community Safety Initiatives Ms. Janice Morley-Lecomte (Seine River): Residents in Winnipeg are worried about rising crime rates, and I want to assure them our government is taking the steps that are necessary to improve public safety and support for vulnerable Manitobans. This week our government announced they will partner with the downtown community safety patrol to help free up police officers and instead use com - munity safety partners to respond to a multitude of calls. This will free up officers to respond to incidents around the city.

In addition, the new Scrap Metal Act was a great bill passed earlier this year, which has already seen a decline in auto -part theft. I know that our caucus is working diligently to increase safety in the heart of our communities. The Manitoba government just increased its an - nual funding rates to shelters, transitional housing ser- vices and homeless outreach mentors to $15.1 million from $6.1 million, a great step that will allow shelters to offer more services to people experiencing home- lessness.

We have acted to improve mental health and ad - diction services, which in turn make our communities safer for everyone. The new department of mental health, wellness and recovery was also established as its own department to further our commitment to supporting Manitobans. From listening to constituents in Seine River, I know that public safety is top of mind. We know we need to have resources for people with addictions. We are seeing continuous investment s in mental health resources, and we are listening to law enforcement about what tools they need to do their jobs.

As the MLA for Seine River, I will continue to do my part to advocate and ensure our communities can be safer places for Manitobans to live while ad dres- sing many of the reasons that crimes are committed in the first place. Madison Supportive Housing Facility Ms. Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): The Madison building in Wolseley was purchased in April 2011 by Siloam Mission to become a supportive housing facility for those who are at risk of becoming homeless. Having a comfortable and affordable living space is a crucial part of people's mental health and well - being.

At the Madison, 85 residents live in private units with shared kitchen, bathroom and recreational areas. The space is designed for intentional com mu- nity building, with on-site staff and volunteers to help support and engage residents, many of whom live with cognitive or physical disabilities and struggle with mental help. Some residen ts have lived at the Madison for many years and hope to age in place. Siloam Mission is working hard to raise the funds to upgrade heat and air conditioning and increase accessibility for those using mobility aids.

The Wolseley constituency has lost affor dable housing over the past few years with closures of sever- al rooming houses. Increasingly our parks, riverbanks, vacant lots, bus shelters and parking lots have become home to those with no housing. Amid these challenges, Siloam Mission's Madison building is an oasis of calm and community for many people who were at risk of homelessness or have transi- tioned from shelters or on the street. It serves as a beautiful example of the kind of wraparound supports that the NDP housing strategy hopes to implement in the years ahead.

The Madison's programming includes good nutrition, community building and support for personal goals such as so- briety or participating in cultural programming. But each person's goals are based on their individual healing journey. Residents help with community clean -up every spring. Some volunteer in our community. And every- one actively participates in caring for the building, gardening, snow removal and cleanup responsibilities for their common spaces.

Madison residents are my neighbours, and I ap- preciate their presence on my street and in my com - munity, and I'm happy to welcome them to the Legislature today. Please join me in recognizing resi- dents Ernest and James, as well as program manager Brenda Lavallee. Neurodiversity Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Yes, Madam Speaker, I speak this morning–or, this afternoon, on the subject of neurodiversity. Everyone has a unique brain. The concept of neurodiversity was developed to change the approach that we have to con ditions like ADHD, autism, dyspraxia and to learning disabilities

3680 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 including dyslexia, 'dyscalcula,' dysgraphia, audit - ory or language processing disorders and non- verbal learning disabilities. Instead of seeing ADHD, attention deficit hyper- activity disorder, as a deficit, we should learn that in- dividuals with ADHD have brains which work dif - ferently–that they are part of the spectrum of neuro- diversity.

Individuals with ADHD may have trouble with time management, but they often show high levels of passion, drive and creative thinking, and can be superior performers in jobs or positions for which they are well suited. Individuals with autism may have less empathy and do less well socially, but they may be excellent in computer software development. Instead of neurodivergent people being ridiculed, discriminated against, stigmatized or bullied, their strengths need to be recognized and celebrated.

Let me give you an example: Don Barnard, status Ojibwa, raised Métis, who has autism–Asperger's type with a high IQ–dyslexia, 'dyscalcula' and, because of past traumas, PTSD. He recently produced, together with Yolandi [phonetic] Papini-Pollock, a film – Unusual in Every Way–which was shown earlier this year at the international Jewish festival. Because of h is neurodiversity, he has suffered much from being misunderstood, been stigmatized and bullied. It's time that our society helped people like Don to thrive instead of him being held back and tormented because he's different.

This Sunday, I am holding a f orum on neuro- diversity. If you are interested in attending, please call my office for more details, and you are welcome. Thank you. ORAL QUESTIONS Wait Time for Surgical Procedures Cost for Out-of-Country Care Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, people in Manitoba are waiting longer than ever for the surgeries that they need. In January of this year, the gov ernment an - nounced that, as part of their highway medicine plan, that they'd get 300 surgeries done.

And yet, a s we approach the end of the year, we learn through FIPPA documents that only 60 surgeries have been com - pleted. I'll table these docu ments for the Premier to review. Why is the gov ernment failing to get people the surgeries that they need? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): We recognize after the worldwide pandemic that there were signifi- cant challenges, that we needed to set up a surgical and diagnostic task force in the province of Manitoba to help address some of the challenges that came o ut of COVID.

We know that they are making good headway, Madam Speaker, but we also recog nize that there is more work to be done. I want to take this opportunity to thank all of those people on the task force who are working diligently on behalf of Manitobans to ensure that they get better health care closer to home more expeditiously. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Kinew: Madam Speaker, people in Manitoba are waiting longer than ever to get the surgeries that they need, and now we know how few of them are actually receiving them: 60.

That's one fifth of what the gov- ernment had announced earlier this year. Further to that, the Premier refuses to tell us just how much each of these out-of-country surgeries are costing our health-care system. That's a concern, be- cause experts tell us that these surgeries could cost up to three times what it would cost to provide these surgeries right here at home in Manitoba. * (14:10) We now know how many of these surgeries have been performed. We know that the government will have signed off on a total amount for these surgeries.

The question remaining for the Premier to answer today is: Just how much are each of these surgeries being delivered in America costing Manitobans? Mrs. Stefanson: Well, Madam Speaker, the im por- tant thing here is that those individuals are getting the surgical procedures that they need. But I will remind the member opposite we recog- nize that there's challenges in this area. That's why we set up a surgical and diag nostic task force, and they are making significant headway. In fact, cataract backlog was reported to be 1,200 cases in February, and has been reduced to 116 cases in August.

So far in 2022, we have c om- pleted more cases than in the last two years for cardiac surgery, cataract surgery, CT scans, ultrasounds and other areas, Madam Speaker.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3681 We want to thank the task force for the incredible work that they continue to do to ensure that Manitobans get the surgical and diagnostic procedures that they need, when they need them. Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Mr. Kinew: Madam Speaker, Manitobans are waiting longer than ever for the surgeries that they need. That's why these accountability questions are important. We know that the government is falling short of its own announcement by the tune of 80 per cent.

We also know that the Premier continues to duck the ques- tion of just how much eac h of these out -of-country surgeries are costing the Manitoba health-care system. We should know how much more each of these surgeries could cost so that we can understand how much more we're paying American companies rather than paying Manitoba surgeons these –fees to deliver surgeries right here in operating rooms in our own province. Will the Premier simply tell the House the answer that she knows: How much are each of these surgeries costing Manitobans? Mrs.

Stefanson: Well, Madam Speaker, what we on this side of the House care about is ensuring that Manitobans get those surgical procedures. It shouldn't matter where they're getting them. We would love to have them getting those here. The fact of the matter is, under the previous NDP government, they took an ideological approach when it comes to delivering health-care services in our pro- vince. I will tell you, Madam Speaker, on behalf of all of our gov ernment, we will not take an ideological approach. We will ensure that Manitobans get the surgeries that they need, when they need them.

Madam Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a new question. Manitoba Hydro and Public Utilities Board Request Not to Pass Bill 36 Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, this is your daily reminder that the PCs and the Liberals voted against our hydro- rate freeze. That's the choice that they made, and it's cost- ing you money. It's getting harder and harder for Manitobans to make ends meet. We know that gas prices are going up, grocery prices are going up and now, because of the way that the PCs and the Liberals voted, your hydro bill will be going up, as well.

Of course, there's still time, Madam Speaker. That's the good news. Bill 36 hasn't passed. It pro- bably won't pass until later this evening. There's still time for the PCs to abandon it. Will they simply, in the name of helping Manitobans through this cost-of-living crisis, abandon their plans to pass Bill 36 today? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Well, Madam Speaker, the member for St. James (Mr. Sala) said, and I quote, hydro rates should continue to be set through an inde pendent process managed by the Public Utilities Board.

Now the Leader of the Op position is getting up and saying no, that s houldn't be the case, Madam Speaker. What he is saying is that he should be able to set the rates of Manitoba Hydro. We say no. We say we're going to leave it to the Public Utilities Board. That's where it should be made, Madam Speaker. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Reminder to members that we have some guests in the gallery and out of respect for the guests in the gallery, I'm going to ask everybody to show respect for each other here on the floor and not heckle and listen to the questions and answers.

The honour able Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Milk Price Increase Request Not to Raise Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, it's very clear on this side of the House we think that you should save money on your hydro bill. On the PC side of the House, they want to raise your hydro bills by 5 per cent yet again. The good news is there's still time. The PCs can join us and vote down Bill 36 tonight. The price of milk will also be going up again. That's because the Premier is set to sign off on the third increase to the price of milk this year.

This is a staple, Madam Speaker. This is some thing that fam- ilies–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Kinew: –rely on.

3682 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 They're denying that families need milk now in the question period, Madam Speaker? Certainly, this deny-deny-outcry approach that they're taking wears thin. My question is simple. It is this: Will the Premier listen and not sign off on a third consecutive increase to the price of milk? Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Well, caucus meetings with the members opposite must be very interesting, because the member for St. James (Mr.

Sala) also said citizens alike need to know that rates are being set in a fair and independent process through the Public Utilities Board, Madam Speaker. We agree with the member for St. James, Madam Speaker. We disagree with the Leader of the Opposition. We believe that rates should be set through an indepen- dent process. That's with–that's what's happening right now through the Public Utilities Board. Bill 36 actually enhances the independence of the Public Utilities Board. I would think that members opposite should be voting in favour of that this after - noon.

I hope they will reconsider. [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary. Manitoba Hydro and Public Utilities Board Request Not to Pass Bill 36 Mr. Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, the choice you have in the next election is this: save money on your hydro bills with the NDP, save money on the price of groceries with the NDP or pay more, more, more with the PCs.

We know that, in addition to legislating a 5 per cent hydro rate hike, that Bill 36 will also gut the Public Utilities Board's ability to stop future PC rate hikes. Is the Premier going to stand with the member for St. James and vote against Bill 36? [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Hon. Heather Stefanson (Premier): Well, what the real question is, Madam Speaker, is will the Leader of the Opposition stand with his member for St. James when he says that there's –that citizens alike need to know the rates are being set in a fair and independent process?

Hydro rates should continue to be set through an inde pendent process managed by the Public Utilities Board. We agree with the member for St. James. The question is, does the Leader of the Opposition also? Labour Dispute in Ontario Use of Notwithstanding Clause MLA Tom Lindsey (Flin Flon): Workers' rights are under attack in Canada. We need every member of this House to clearly say the Ford government's use of the notwithstanding clause to attack workers' rights is wrong. That's what it means to stand up for workers and workers' rights. Will this Labour Minister have the courage to stand up today and do this?

Hon. Reg Helwer (Minister of Labour, Consumer Protection and Government Services): Well, I've made it clear in this House b efore, Madam Speaker, and certainly this case, we are not the employer in this case. We do not employ teachers in Ontario. That is their role. * (14:20) In Manitoba, collective bargaining has been working. We continue to find that the unions negotiate with the employers in our situation, and they find a solution and they agree on that solution and they ratify it. And that is how collective bargaining works in Manitoba, mister–Madam Speaker.

Ontario's–as far as I know, I believe the member opposite knows–is a different province. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Flin Flon, on a supplementary question. MLA Lindsey: Every member of this House should stand today in their place and clearly say what the Ford government is attempting to do is wrong. The right to association, the right to strike are fun- damental rights. These rights are being attacked and undermined. That's absolutely wrong. Any labour minister worth their salt should be able to stand up and say that that's wrong.

Will this so -called Minister of Labour say the Ford government's attack on workers' rights is wrong? [interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Helwer: Well, I know the member opposite might live in two provinces, but I thought it was Manitoba and Saskatchewan. But a pparently, now, he's also in Ontario, and wants to be an MPP.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3683 In Manitoba, we negotiate with the unions that we are responsible for. The employers negotiate with the unions. Collective bargaining has been working in Manitoba, Madam Speaker, and we'll continue with that process. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Flin Flon, on a final supplementary. MLA Lindsey: On this side of the House, we stand with workers who are fighting for good wages and good jobs. We know this gov ernment attacked work ers in Manitoba with wages under bill 28. They attacked workers' rights with bill 16. But you know what?

Workers stood up, standing united–like workers do– and fought back against these bad bills. So, will this so-called Minister of Labour be clear and te ll the House if he thinks what Doug Ford is doing in Ontario is wrong? Mr. Helwer: Well, apparently, the member opposite is offended that our Premier (Mrs. Stefanson) has enabled and made a minister of Labour in our govern- ment. And we're proud of that, Madam Speaker. We have been working with various labour groups in Manitoba. The unions have been negotiating with their employers, with the Manitoba government.

And we're finding that –as the member opposite knows, I'm sure –that collective bargaining is very healthy in Manitoba, Madam Speaker. And we'll continue down–to follow that process. Review of Provincial Parks in Manitoba Timeline for Release of Report Ms. Lisa Naylor (Wolseley): Madam Speaker, the PCs' plan for parks is contracting out and priva tiza- tion. A Texas company has been paid $1 million by Manitobans for park reservations. The PCs were de - vising a scheme to sell off parkland, and then they started contracting out core services.

It's all part of the plan which the minister has ha d in his hands for six months. When will the minister release the park review? Hon. Jeff Wharton (Minister of Environment, Climate and Parks): Certainly, our gov ernment is proud of our record with our parks –unlike members opposite, Madam Speaker, that spent 17 years in power doing absolutely nothing. Actually, Madam Speaker, cutting –cutting abso- lutely everything in parks, except for the grass. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for Wolseley, on a supplementary question. Ms.

Naylor: Madam Speaker, the minister has had the parks review for at least six months. I will table a FIPPA that shows that the gov ernment received the review at least at the begin ning of May, and it's now November. This government's agenda is contracting out and privatization. They've already sent $1 million to Texas for parks reservations. So, what else is the minister going to contract out, and why won't he just release the parks review to Manitobans? Mr. Wharton: I certainly ap preciate a question on parks reservations, Madam Speaker.

We know that, again, for 17 years, the NDP did nothing with the reservation system in our parks, Madam Speaker. Year over year, Manitoba families would sit on the phone, sit on their computers for hours on end. As a matter of fac t, after four or five hours, they'd drop off and they'd have to go back to the beginning again. We're not going back to the dark days of park reservations under the NDP. We'll get it right. [interjection] Madam Speaker: You all know how sensitive I am about heckling when there are students in the House. I'm going to tell you, I'm extra sensitive when there are veterans in the House.

And I'm going to ask for everybody's co- opera- tion, please. We talk about freedoms and, while we have freedom of speech here, it does come with some responsibilities for enhancing democracy –that it be respectful and civil debate. The honourable member for Wolseley, on a final supplementary. Ms. Naylor: Brian Pallister and the PCs gave direc- tion to sell prov incial parkland. This is directly from the government's own briefing notes. Since that time, they've chipped away at our parks, contracting out to a Texas company, selling off a campsite at St. Ambroise.

And now, for at least six months, the minister has kept hi dden his long- term plans for the future of our parks.

3684 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 I ask the minister: What is he hiding? And if he isn't hiding anything, why won't he simply release the parks review? Mr. Wharton: First of all, I would like to thank and, again, congratulate the Métis owner of the–or, not the owner, Madam Speaker, actually, the operator–of the St. Ambroise park. This fellow and his family–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Wharton: –are making true invest ments in that park–a provincial-owned park, Madam Speaker; our parks are not for sale.

And we know that this individ- ual and his family are making more invest ments in St. Ambroise after the 2011 flood. They ignored it, Madam Speaker; this individual is getting it done and supporting Manitoba parks. Post-Secondary Education Funding and Tuition Costs Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): The PC gov ernment should end their attack on post-secondary students in Manitoba. Since taking office in 2016, the PC government has cut from–post-secondary funding by nearly 18 per cent. At the same time, students are paying average tuition of over 16 per cent more.

And on top of that, they kicked off international students from their provincial health-care plan. With–all of this together have had a detrimental effect on students' lives. So will the minister commit to stop cutting fund- ing and stop hiking tuition and actually listen to stu - dents, and will he do so today? Hon. Jon Reyes (Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Immigration): Madam Speaker, as out - lined in the Auditor General's report, our gov ern- ment is improving our accountability system for post- secondary in stitutions as part of the action plan in Manitoba's Skills, Talent and Knowledge Strategy.

This will ensure that our $1-billion investment in post-secondary edu cation is achieving the intended results, and that post -secondary education is aligned with government priorities. We are taking action, Madam Speaker. * (14:30) Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Vital, on a supplementary question. Mr. Moses: Madam Speaker, there are Canadian Federation of Students members here with us in the gallery. They're here because they're concerned about the cuts the PC government have imposed on funding to post -secondary institutions.

They're here because they're concerned about how tuition hikes will make it harder for students to obtain a post -secondary edu- cation. It's clear the minister hasn't listened to their con - cerns, and he continues the cuts to funding and the hikes to tuition. Thankfully, it's not too late, Madam Speaker. Will the minister stop ignoring students and com- mit to stop cutting funding and stop hiking tuition today? Mr. Reyes: Average tuition in Manitoba is around $5,000, with a provincial contribution of 39.2 per cent to PCI revenue.

If we compare our numbers with British Columbia, the NDP gov ernment of BC contributes only 32.4 per cent to post-secondary insti- tutions' revenue, 6.6 'ercert' less than Manitoba, while the average tuition is almost 20 per cent higher in BC as compared to Manitoba. Our government is commit to investing more in post-secondary education while keeping tuition one of the lowest in western Canada. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for St. Vital, on a final supplementary. Mr.

Moses: If the minister truly listened to students, he'd know that his cuts and his hikes to tuition are hurting Manitoban students. The minister wants to talk numbers. He should know that post -secondary funding was cut by 17.8 per cent. If he wants to talk about tuition, that rose over 16.3 per cent. These trends are hurting stu - dents who are already struggling with the rising cost of living. The minister should commit to stop hiking tuition and stop cutting funding for post-secondary. He has a chance to do so today. Will he do it? Yes or no? Mr.

Reyes: Madam Speaker, the introduction of the Post-Secondary Accountability Framework is con - sistent with the calls from the Office of the Auditor General's 2020 report on the Oversight of Post - Secondary In stitutions for publicly funded uni ver-

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3685 sities and colleges. Recom mendations include de - veloping a modern framework with defined perform- ance benchmarks and stronger reporting 'requirents'. The NDP neglected accountability for years while also banning the quality of education delivered at our post-secondary institutions. We are still cleaning up the mess they left behind. We are taking action and getting things done, Madam Speaker. Island Lake First Nations Mental Health Services Ms. Nahanni Fontaine (St. Johns): Yesterday, our colleague, the member for Keewatinook (Mr.

Bushie) stood alongside Indigenous leadership and Red Sucker Lake First Nation citizens as Chief Knott declared a state of emergency after two sui cides and 17 attempted suicides in the last many weeks. The com munity is mourning the deaths of a 30-year-old man and a 16- year-old boy. Many other young people are among those who have attempted suicide. Urgent action must be taken to address the dire states–state of mental health among First Nations youth and its citizens. Can the minister outline what action she is pre - sently taking to help the residents of Red Sucker Lake First Nation? Hon.

Sarah Guillemard (Minister of Mental Health and Community Wellness): I would like to offer my con dolences to the entire com munity. Any time there is a loss within your community, it is tragic. But certainly, when you're facing the loss through suicide, that adds to the trauma. Our department has reached out to the health-care providers in the northern region, and we know that Manitoba Adolescent Treatment Centre has reached out to current and former clients within the com mu- nity and are going to be one the ground shortly to offer supports. Madam Speak er: The honourable member for St.

Johns, on a supplementary question. Ms. Fontaine: Leaders from Island Lake First Nations are calling on the provincial and federal gov- ernments to provide equal access to health care. Leaders have said that the state of mental health of their more than 15,000 citizens is presently very dire, Madam Speaker. They're calling for the province to build a local hospital, an addictions treatment centre and land-based mental health supports. Will the minister step up and commit to taking ac- tion to help Island Lake First Nation's citizens today? Mrs.

Guillemard: Our department has worked on a five-year road map that includes invest ments in the northern regions. We have already implemented telepsychiatry ser- vices, which allow anybody, anywhere in Manitoba, to access psychiatry services in their own communities and come up with care plans. We will continue to invest in those services and supports for those areas. We agree with the chiefs that the federal govern- ment does need to be at the table and does need to be helping provinces in addressing the northern and remote area needs and –especially of those in the Indigenous communities.

Madam Speaker: The honour able member for St. Johns, on a final supplementary. Ms. Fontaine: Suicide is the leading cause of death among Indigenous youth here in Canada. That alone should urge the prov incial government to act and to act today. Without urgent action, Island Lake First Nations are worried that the suicide crisis is only going to grow exponentially. Rather than fighting over who will pay for health- care services, the minister should step up and take ac- tion to help Island Lake First Nations residents. Will she do so today? Mrs.

Guillemard: We have taken action, no t just today but for the last six years. And we are enhancing the connectivity of northern regions to the broadband, which the NDP ignored for 17 years. And I will tell you, Madam Speaker, that we take this situation very seriously. We will work with our partners in the federal gov- ernment to find solutions and to offer supports. And I know that the com munities have asked for a number of invest ments from the federal gov ernment to in - crease recreational services, and we will be at the table to have those discussions. Thank you.

Non-Disclosure Agreements Request to Prohibit Use Mr. Dougald Lamont (St. Boniface): Last night's presenters for our Bill 225 to reform the abuse of non- disclosure agree ments was five hours of riveting testimony from brave people who've been abused and silenced and finally able to speak openly their stories

3686 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 of outrageous and disgusting abuse, protected by NDAs or threats of NDAs. Every single presenter de- serves to be heard, praised for what they've done and protected from any further retribution. One of those stories we heard was of of Marcel Williamson, an Indigenous IT professional who works in Winnipeg, who documented his years of racist abuse and even physical assaults that the WRHA and Shared Health knew about and failed to address, and have tried to buy his silence with an NDA. Will the Premier (Mrs.

Stefanson) and Health Minister launch an investigation to see what went so terribly wrong with Mr. Williamson's case and, until our bill passes, set a policy p rohibiting the use of NDAs across government immediately? Hon. Audrey Gordon (Minister of Health): I was one of the members that sat at the table last night for the five hours of committee around the non-disclosure agreement. And the stories were heart -wrenching, Madam Speaker. And I just want to express my sup- port to the individuals that came forward with their stories yesterday. And I am disappointed in the member for St.

Boniface, that he has chosen to politicize someone's personal story and–here in the Chamber today. Madam Speaker, we are going to continue to sup- port individuals who have exper ienced the–so many of the stories that we heard last night, and move the non-disclosure agreement bill forward. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for St. Boniface, on a supplementary question. Request for Reform Legislation Mr.

Lamont: Well, it would be impossible for any - one to hear yesterday's testimony and not be moved by the 'braviery' of the people speaking out, because many times we heard people were punished for re - porting. And we heard the reason they reported was because they wanted to make sure that what happened to them never happened to anyone else. Jan Wong, the former journalist with The Globe and Mail, said her first guest for her famous column, Lunch with Jan Wong, 25 years ago, was Peter Nygård. She asked him about sexual harassment charges.

He threatened to sue, and she could not inter- view the affected women because they'd all been forced to sign NDAs, which silenced the m for life. Imagine if they had not been silenced and we'd been able to act 25 years ago. Will the Premier work with us to ensure the pas - sage of an NDA reform bill before the year is out? * (14:40) Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I also want to thank all of those who bravely came to committer –committee, either personally or virtually, last night to share their stories– often heart -wrenching, as the member opposite indicates.

As I mentioned last night and I've menti oned in this House before, the issue is currently being re - viewed by the Manitoba Law Reform Com mission. They'll be putting out a consultation paper in the next weeks. Testimony from last night will be considered by the Manitoba Law Reform Com mission, but they also welcome other testimony through the consul ta- tion process, and they've committed to report back early next year on this very important issue. I thank the member opposite for his advocacy on the issue. Madam Speaker: The honourable member for River Heights, on a final supplementary.

COVID-19 Pandemic Home-Care Services Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Madam Speaker, adequate home care is a critical issue today. The government cut back substantially on home- care hours and pa tients seen in 2020, at a time when home care was needed more than ever to keep seniors in safer home environments during COVID. I table materials from Prairie Mountain Health to confirm this. Indeed, some individuals receiving home care had to go into personal-care homes, where they were at higher risk.

Why did the Premier and her gov ernment fail to put a priority on home care during the COVID pan- demic, at a time when more was needed, not less? Hon. Scott Johnston (Minister of Seniors and Long-Term Care): I appreciate the question from the member for River Heights. I know how passionate he is on this particular issue, and I can assure you that the government is also very passionate on finding solu- tions to be able to deal with the challenges th at we have with home care. I've indicated a number of times to this House that the seniors strategy is certainly well under way. We've consulted with stake holders.

We've consulted with

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3687 Manitobans to find the best way to address this issue. And we will continue. And I look forward to bringing the seniors strategy forward. Integrated Violent Offender Apprehension Unit Community Safety Announcement Mrs. Cathy Cox (Kildonan-River East): Madam Speaker, the increase in violent crime is a concern to citizens, not only in Winnipeg but across the province. Many acts of violence are being committed by re- peat and prolific offenders who are well-known to law enforcement.

Can the Minister of Justice please explain how our government is keeping com munities and Manitobans safe by taking the bad guys off the street? Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I want to thank my friend and colleague for that question and her advocacy. I was pleased to be joined by the Premier (Mrs.

Stefanson) this morning, who made a very im - portant an nouncement about an integrated warrant violent suppression unit that will ensure that those who have outstanding warrants –the worst of the worst, often gang members–that there'll be a dedicated unit–an integrated unit that will go after those with those outstanding warrants. The Brandon police are a part of this. The Winnipeg police were there. The RCMP were there. The First Nations policing service were there. All very, very dedicated to ensuring that we get those who have these warrants off of the street.

And that's the difference, Madam Speaker, be- tween us and the members opposite. We defend the police, they defund them. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. Madam Speaker: Order. Order. Order. I'm going to have to call–[interjection]–I'm going to call the members to order. Manitoba Hydro and Public Utilities Board Request to Withdraw Bill 36 Mr. Adrien Sala (St.

James): Madam Speaker, Manitobans in every corner of this province have stood up in opposition to Bill 36, and yet the minister and this gov ernment are still planning on moving forward with this terrible piece of legis lation–legis- lation which is focused on one goal and one goal alone, and that is jacking up hydro rates as quickly as possible. Presenters at committee and so many Manitobans have warned of the harms this bill presents, and by this point it should be abundantly clear to this government that Manitobans do not want this bill to pass.

Will the minister take this opportunity to re con- sider his misguided approach and withdraw Bill 36? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister responsible for Manitoba Hydro): Madam Speaker, this is your daily reminder that the NDP have completely flip -flopped on Bill 36. After falsely alleging for months and months that the bill would interfere with the PUB and its mandate, this member kept saying–and this is his own quote – hydro rates should continue to be set through an inde- pendent process –managed by the PUB, he should have added.

But that was yesterday, because they went out this week and said, we changed our minds, we want to directly interfere with the PUB. Madam Speaker, there is no credibility in that member's question or his rationale. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for St. James, on a supplementary question. Mr. Sala: Manitobans know the truth. They know that on that side of the House, they stand for dismantling the PUB and jacking up rates. And on this side of the House, we stand for protecting the PUB and keeping rates as affordable as possible. Manitobans are facing an affordability 'crise'.

Rates should be frozen, not increased by 5 per cent at the Cabinet table. The financial targets and repayment

schedule the–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Sala: –government is setting with Bill 36 aren't justified, and it will result in massive year -after-year rate hikes. They're eroding Manitoba's energy advantage. They're going to hurt our competitiveness. They're go- ing to cause job loss, and they'r e going to hurt consumers. Will the minister do the right thing and use this final opportunity to withdraw Bill 36? Mr. Friesen: Madam Speaker, Webster's defines a flip-flop as changing from one policy to virtually its exact opposite. It's a flip-flop. It's a U-turn. It's a 180. It's a change of direction.

3688 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 They said for months and months, erroneously, that Bill 36 would take away the right of the PUB to decide. And now, while they try to shout me down, one thing becomes apparent to Manitobans, and that is they want to set hydro rates at the NDP caucus table. And we say no to that. Madam Speaker: The honour able member for St. James, on a final supplementary. Economic Review of Bipole III and Keeyask Implementation of Recommendations Mr. Adrien Sala (St.

James): The minister is push- ing for higher rates for hydro, and at the same time he's hiding his plans for priva tization. This gov ern- ment has already sold off pieces of Hydro. They have a report that calls for pieces of Hydro to be chopped off and sold. Where's the account ability, Madam Speaker? When will the minister provide his gov ernment's action plan for the Wall report, and will they reject its plans for privatization? Hon. Cameron Friesen (Minister responsible for Manitoba Hydro): Here's another one for the mem - ber for St. James' highlight reel.

He says: there's one thing you touched on, which is that we know the rates are being set in a fair and inde- pendent process; member of St. James, October 11th. However, what we didn't know, is that he was planning to go out with his premier–or, his opposition leader, oh my goodness, who will never be premier. And the opposi tion leader, what it is, they issued a press release, they retracted a press release and then they reissued a press release. And all it said is that the NDP want to interfere with Hydro. And we say no to the NDP interference with Hydro.

Madam Speaker: Due to the noise in the room, I did not hear the last 30 seconds of what the minister was answering. However, I am going to make a decision that the time for oral questions has expired anyway, and I hope Hansard, at least, was able to pick that up. But, again, very disappointing to see that my requests from earlier have not –well, I guess they've fallen on deaf ears for a part of the day. But time for oral questions has expired, and I will go to petitions. PETITIONS Hydro Rates Mr.

Wab Kinew (Leader of the Official Opposition): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Since the Progressive Conservative Party took office, the provincial government has interfered in the activities of Manitoba Hydro and has attempted to undermine the Public Utilities Bo ard's, PUB, role in the hydro rate-setting process.

(2) The prov incial gov ernment has raised Manitoba Hydro bills by hundreds of dollars since 2016. * (14:50)

(3) The provincial government is now ushering in changes to Manitoba Hydro rate setting and the PUB through Bill 36, The Manitoba Hydro Amendment and Public Utilities Board Amendment Act.

(4) The PUB is the one thing standing in the way of the prov incial gov ernment and unchecked hydro rate increases.

(5) The PUB's in dependent rate -setting process has worked for many years by balancing the ability of consumers to pay and the financial health of Manitoba Hydro.

(6) Bill 36 strips the PUB of its rate -setting powers and hands it over to Cabinet, reducing trans - parency and oversight.

(7) Bill 36 guarantees that Manitobans will pay more for hydro.

(8) In the first fiscal year after its implementation, Bill 36 will increase rates by 5 per cent during a period of high inflation that has made the average Manitoba's cost of living significantly higher.

(9) A hydro rate increase would amplify the fin- ancial pressure Manitoban families are facing and would undoubtedly increase the number of people who have difficulty paying their hydro bills. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to respect the PUB's in dependent rate -setting process, and to not increase the financial pressures Manitobans are cur - rently facing and withdraw Bill 36.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3689 This petition has been signed by Lorraine Kaczor, Debby Spraggs, Danny Guillas and many other Manitobans. Madam Speaker: In accordance with our rule 132(6), when petitions are read they are deemed to be received by the House. Louise Bridge Mr. Jim Maloway (Elmwood): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background of this petition is as follows:

(1) Over 25,000 vehicles per day cross the Louise Bridge, which has served as a vital link for vehicular traffic between northeast Winnipeg and the downtown for the last 110 years.

(2) The current structure will undoubtedly be declared unsafe in a few years as it has deteriorated extensively, becoming functionally obsolete, subject to more frequent unplanned repairs and cannot be widened to accommodate the future traffic capacity.

(3) As far back as 2008, the City of Winnipeg, has studied where the new re placement bridge should be situated.

(4) After including the bridge replacement in the City's five-year capital budget forecast in 2009, the new bridge became a short-term construction priority in the City's transportation master plan of 2011.

(5) City capital and budget plans identified re - placement of the Louise Bridge on a site just east of the bridge and expropriated homes there on the south side of Nairn Avenue in anticipation of a 2015 start.

(6) In 2014, the new City adminis tration did not make use of available federal infrastructure funds.

(7) The new Louise Bridge Com mittee began its campaign to demand a new bridge and its sur veys confirmed the residents wanted a new bridge beside the current bridge, with the old bridge kept open for local traffic.

(8) The NDP provincial government signalled its firm commitment to partner with the City on replacing the Louise Bridge in its 2015 Throne Speech. Unfor- tunately, provincial infrastructure initiatives, such as the new Louise bridge, came to a halt with the election of the Progressive Conservative government in 2016.

(9) More recently, the City tethered the Louise Bridge rep lacement issue to its new trans portation master plan and eastern corridor project. Its recom- mendations have now identified the location of the new Louise bridge to be placed just to the west of the current bridge, not to the east as originally proposed.

(10) The City expropriation process has begun. The $6.35- million street upgrade of Nairn Avenue from Watt Street to the 111 -year-old bridge is complete.

(11) The new Premier has a duty to direct the provincial government to provide financial assistance to the City so it can complete this long overdue vital link to northeast Winnipeg and Transcona. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows:

(1) To urge the new Premier to financially assist the City of Winnipeg on building this t hree-lane bridge in each direction to maintain this vital link between northeast Winnipeg, Transcona and the downtown.

(2) To–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Maloway: –urge the prov incial government to recommend that the City of Winnipeg kee p the old bridge fully open to traffic while the new bridge is under construction.

(3) To urge the provincial government to consider the feasibility of keeping the old Louise Bridge open for active transportation in the future. And this petition is signed by many, many Manitobans. Health-Care Coverage Mr. Jamie Moses (St. Vital): Madam Speaker, I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background for this petition is as follows:

(1) Health care is a basic human right and a fundamental part of responsible public health. Many people in Manitoba are not covered by provincial health care: migrant workers with work permits of less than one year, international students–[interjection] Madam Speaker: Order. Mr. Moses: –and those undocumented residents who have lost their status for a variety of reasons.

(2) Racialized people and communities are dis - proportionately affected by the pandemic, mainly due to the social and economic conditions which leave

3690 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 them vulnerable while performing essential work in a variety of industries in Manitoba.

(3) Without adequate health- care coverage, if they are ill, many of the uninsured will avoid seeking health care due to fear of being charged for the care, and some will fear possible detention and deportation if their immigration status is reported to the authorities.

(4) According to the United Nations Human Rights Committee, denying essential health care to undocumented, irregular migrants is a violation of their rights.

(5) Jurisd ictions across Canada and the world have adopted access -without-fear policies to prevent sharing personal health information or immigration status with immigration authorities and to give un - insured residents the confidence to access health care.

(6) The pandemic has clearly identified the need for everyone in Manitoba to have access to health care to protect the health and safety of all who live in the province. We petition the Manitoba Legislative Assembly as follows: To urge the provincial government to immediate- ly provide comprehensive and free health-care cover- age to all residents of Manitoba, regardless of immi - gration status, including refugee claimants, migrant workers, international students, dependant children of temporary residents and undocumented residents.

(2) To urge the minister of Health and seniors care to undertake a multilingual communication campaign to provide information on expanded coverage to all affected residents.

(3) To urge the minister of Health and seniors care to inform all health-care institutions and providers of expanded coverage for those without health insurance and the details on how necessary policy and protocol changes will be implemented.

(4) To urge the minister of Health and seniors care to create and enforce strict confidentiality policies and provide staff with training to protect the safety of residents with precarious immigration statuses and ensure they can access health care without jeo pard- izing their ability to remain in Canada. This petition has been signed by many Manitobans. Hydro Rates Mr. Adrien Sala (St. James): I wish to present the following petition to the Legislative Assembly. The background to this petition is as follows:

(1) Since the Progressive Conservative Party took office, the provincial government has interfered in the activities of Manitoba Hydro and has attempted to undermine the Public Utilities Board's role in the hydro rate-setting process.

(2) The prov incial gov ernment has raised Manitobans' Hydro bills by hundreds of dollars since 2016.

(3) The provincial government is now ushering in changes to Manitoba Hydro rate setting and the PUB through Bill 36, The Manitoba Hydro Amendment and Public Utilities Board Amendment Act.

(4) The PUB is the one thing standing in the way of the prov incial gov ernment and unchecked hydro rate increases.

(5) The PUB's in dependent rate -setting process has worked for many years by balancing the ability of consumers to pay and the financial health of Manitoba Hydro.

(6) Bill 36 strips the PUB of its rate -setting powers and hands it over to Cabinet, reducing trans - parency and oversight.

(7) Bill 36 guarantees that Manitobans will pay more for hydro.

(8) In the first fiscal year after its implementation, Bill 36 will increase rates by 5 per cent during a period of high inflation that has made the average Manitoban's cost of living significantly higher.

(9) A hydro rate increase would amplify the fin- ancial pressure Manitoban families are facing and would undoubtedly increase the number of people who have difficulty paying their hydro bills. We petition the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba as follows: To urge the provincial government to respect the PUB's independent rate-setting process, and to not in- crease the financial pressures Manitobans are current- ly facing and withdraw Bill 36. This petition has been signed by Warren Rawnka [phonetic], Randy Novak and Monika Tardiff. Thank you.

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3691 Madam Speaker: Any further petitions? If not, grievances? ORDERS OF THE DAY (Continued) GOVERNMENT BUSINESS Hon. Kelvin Goertzen (Government House Leader): Madam Speaker, a number of leave requests that I'm going to put before the House.

I don't believe that they'll come as a surprise to anybody, after consultation. * (15:00) Could you please canvass the House for leave to allow for consideration at concurrence and third read- ing this afternoon of the following three bills, despite the fact that they were reported from the com mittee today and are not yet on the Order Paper: Bill 40, The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act; Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Vio lence Act; Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act.

Second, could you please canvass the House for leave to not see the clock until the questions have been put on concurrence and third reading motions for Bill 40, 43 and 46? Third, could you please c anvass the House for leave to rescind the decision of the House made on October 25th, 2022, on the motion for concurrence and third reading of Bill 237, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend ment Act (Poppy Number Plates). For clarity, the result of this agreement would be that the debate on the bill would remain open at con- currence and third reading.

Madam Speaker: And I will break those up into three votes here–or, leave requests. Is there leave to allow for con sideration at con - currence and third reading this afternoon of the fol - lowing three bills, despite the fact that they're –that they were reported from committee today and are not yet on the Order Paper: Bill 40, The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Se rvices Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act; Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act; and Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act.

Is there leave? [Agreed] Is there leave to not see the clo ck until the ques- tions have been put on the concurrence and third read- ing motions for bills 40, 43 and 46? Is there leave? [Agreed] And is there leave to rescind the decision of the House made on October 25th, 2022, on the motion for concurrence and third reading of Bill 237, The Drivers and Vehicles Amend ment Act (Poppy Number Plates). For clarity, the result of this agreement would be that debate on the bill could remain open at con- currence and third reading. Is there leave? [Agreed] Ms. Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I have a leave request.

Could you please canvass the House for leave to allow me to move without notice, and for the House to consider today, a report stage amend ment–two report stage amendments on Bill 43, Disclosure To Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act. Madam Speaker: Is there leave to allow the member for Tyndall Park to move without notice, and for the House to consider today, two report stage amend - ments on Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act. Is there leave? [Agreed] Mr.

Goertzen: Could you please call report stage amendments on Bill 43, followed by concurrence and third reading and votes on Bill 40, 43 and 46? Madam Speaker: It has been announced that the House will consider the following this afternoon: the report stage amendments on Bill 43, and then concur- rence and third reading of bills 40, 43 and 46. REPORT STAGE AMENDMENTS Bill 43–The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act Madam Speaker: So, I will therefore start by calling report stage amendments of Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act. Ms.

Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I move, seconded by the member for River Heights (Mr. Gerrard),

3692 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 THAT Bill 43 be amended in Clause 1(1) by adding the following after clause (

a) of the proposed definition "intimate partner violence": (a.1) abuse through electronic communications, including social media, text messaging, instant messaging, websites or e-mail; Madam Speaker: It has been moved by the honour - able member for Tyndall Park (Ms. Lamoureux) , seconded by the honour able member for River Heights (Mr. Gerrard), THAT Bill 43 be amended in Clause 1(1) by adding the– Some Honourable Members: Dispense. Madam Speaker: Dispense. The report stage amend ment is in order. Debate can proceed. Ms. Lamoureux: Just a few words based off a pre - sentation from last night at committee.

Abuse through electronic communications should be added as a form of intimate partner violence because we have learned how technology can facilitate abuse and can be used as a form of control or to provoke fear as a way to stalk and to harass people. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Any other members wishing to speak on that? Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): We had a pre sentation at com mittee last night from Canadian Centre for Child Protection which we know, of course, does amazing work in this field protec ting children each and every day, not just here in Manitoba, but around the world.

And they were very supportive of two of the bills that we'll be debating here this afternoon, both Bill 40 and Bill 43. Specifically to Bill 43, they had mentioned that, of course, with the world of technolo gy rap idly evolving and changing on a regular basis, they had certainly thought that an expanded definition, or the inclusion of that definition in the legislation, would be effective. And, of course, that is what the member for Tyndall Park is also asking for.

I have been advised by our –my department after consultation with Legis lative Coun sel that yes, indeed, these items can be addressed but would be better ap propriate in the regula tions. And let me explain why. That–currently as drafted, the defi nition of inti- mate partner violence is very broad and applicable regardless of the method, the mode or the means of violence. And it is intentionally written as such to be very broad and all-encompassing.

And with further defining that in regula tion, just to ease the facilitation of additions in future years, given that we know that intimate partner violence – there could be potentially other forms of abuse that are not yet conceived of to be drafted in the legis lation. And it would make for the ease i n which we could amend regulation in the future. So, I will be addressing all those enhance ments, but certainly, we'll be doing it in regulation.

I'm also very pleased to be inviting the Canadian Centre for Child Protection to the working group who will be sitting around the table, in addition with many, many other stakeholders and partners in the province of Manitoba, as we are drafting those regulations. Madam Speaker: Are there any further members wishing to speak on debate? If not, is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question. Madam Speaker: The question before the House is the first amend ment moved by the hon ourable member for Tyndall Park. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt–on Bill 43.

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the amend- ment? Some Honourable Members: Agreed. Some Honourable Members: No. Madam Speaker: I hear a no. Voice Vote Madam Speaker: All those in favour of the amend- ment, please say yea. Some Honourable Members: Yea. Madam Speaker: All those opposed, please say nay. Some Honourable Members: Nay. Madam Speaker: In my opinion, the Nays have it. Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): On division, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: On division. * * *

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3693 Madam Speaker: I will now call on the ho nourable member for Tyndall Park (Ms. Lamoureux) to present the second amendment to Bill 43. Ms. Lamoureux: I move, seconded by the member for River Heights (Mr. Gerrard), THAT Bill 43 be amended in Clause 1(1) by adding the following after clause (

g) of the proposed definition "intimate partner violence": (g.1) spiritual abuse, including the use of spiritual or religious beliefs to hurt, control, ridicule or scare a person–any person, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: It has been moved by the honour - able member for Tyndall Park, seconded by the hon- ourable member for River Heights, THAT Bill 43 be amended– An Honourable Member: Dispense. Madam Speaker: Dispense. Ms. Lamoureux: Thank you, Madam Speaker, for the oppor tunity to bring forward this amendment.

And again, I'll keep my remarks short, as I would like to see the legis lation passed here very quickly this afternoon. I've had the opportunity in the past to work with women here in Manitoba who have ex perienced sig- nificant spiritual abu se. And I believe it should be added as a form of intimate partner violence because using spiritual or religious beliefs to hurt, control, ridicule or scare any person into doing some thing or not doing something is, in fact, a form of abuse. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ms.

Squires: Of course, our government is also con- cerned about the spiritual abuse of any individual in the province of Manitoba, and certainly do consider it a form of intimate partner violence. And as I had mentioned earlier, in consul tation with many of our stakeholders, we will be expanding that and really detailing out the various forms and modes of abuse in regulation. * (15:10) Madam Speaker: Are there any further members wish- ing to speak on debate? If not, is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question.

Madam Speaker: The question before the House is the second amend ment moved by the honour able member for Tyndall Park to Bill 43. All those in favour of–or, is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the amendment? Some Honourable Members: Yes. Some Honourable Members: No. Voice Vote Madam Speaker: All those in favour of the amend- ment, please say yea. Some Honourable Members: Yea. Madam Speaker: All those opposed, please say nay. Some Honourable Members: Nay. Madam Speaker: In my opinion, the Nays have it.

CONCURRENCE AND THIRD READINGS Bill 40–The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act Madam Speaker: Moving, then, to concurrence and third reading of Bill 40, The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploit ation and Human Trafficking Act. Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): I move, seconded by the Minister of Commu nity Wellness– Mental Health and Community Wellness (Mrs.

Guillemard), that Bill 40, The Hospitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act, as amended and reported from the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Develop- ment, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed. Motion presented. Ms. Squires: It was wonderful to be able to see this bill move forward because we know that this bill will provide protec tion to children throughout the province.

Unfortunately, and sadly, we know that there are over 400 children in the visible–that are visibly being sexually exploited here in Manitoba. And that is just a small glimpse of what we know to be in the visible sex trade and that many, many, many more children are

3694 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 exploited on a daily basis in online platforms and in other means that are not captured in the statistics that I just cited. And this is a very urgent, urgent matter, and I want to thank everybody who has consulted with on this–drafting of this legis lation, everybody who has spoken in favour of it and who has agreed with our government that we need to end child sexual exploit- ation here in the province. And I look forward to this bill being passed today.

MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): It's my pleasure to rise today in support of this bill and to see it one step closer to getting passed. And it was also my pleasure and honour to be present yesterday at com - mittee to see those processes go through there and to hear back from presenters–well, actually, in that case, it was written submissions–to try to improve this bill. Certainly, on this side of the House, we will do what we can to always support the gov ernment in these types of issues, especially trying to eradicate human sex trafficking and child sexual exploitation.

This is something that we are proud to do, and we will do our best efforts to do this in a non-partisan way, as quickly as possible, in an effort to–and do what we can in this province to eradicate this terrible scourge.

You know, I just wanted to remind the minister and the department about the seriousness of this issue, especially as it relates to systemic issues of poverty and the high rate of Indigenous girls and women under 35 years old that this affects, and that poverty and this type of intersection with our Indigenous girls and women–this is the focus group that we would like the department and the minister to pay attention to –this– and as we move forward with this bill. Thank you for the time. Ms.

Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I'm happy to rise and just put a few words on record to Bill 40, The Ho spitality Sector Customer Registry Act and Amendments to The Child and Family Services Act and The Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act. Madam Speaker, I believe that this is a very posi- tive piece of legis lation that everyone here in the House has been able to non-partisanly come together on. I believe that it's putting more eyes on the ground, more feet on the ground.

It reminds me of the saying, how it takes a village, and I believe this legis lation creates more opportunities throughout the province of Manitoba where we can watch out for one another. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker: Is there any further debate on this bill? If not, is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question. Madam Speaker: The question before the House is concurrence and third reading of Bill 40. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

Agreed? [Agreed] Bill 43–The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act Madam Speaker: I will now call Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act, for concurrence and third reading. Hon. Rochelle Squires (Minister of Families): Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure (Mr. Piwniuk), that Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act, reported from the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development, be concurred in and now read a third time and passed. Motion presented. Ms.

Squires: It is with prid e that I stand today to introduce the third reading of this bill. It has been an incredible journey from the inception of bringing Clare's Law here to Manitoba today, where we are seeing Bill 43–I hope and I anticipate –seeing it be - come law. And I real ly do want to take a moment to thank everybody, whether they were in the De partment of Justice, the de partment of Status of Women and the Gender-Based Violence Com mittee of Cabinet, to – who have come together in such a meaningful way over the last many, many months to develop what we are calling the next generation of Clare's Law.

We also had the benefit of looking at what other jurisdictions have done with the imple mentation of similar legislation in Canada and abroad, and be able to incorporate some best practices from those jurisdic- tions, as well as learn from some of those mistakes, so that we are intending to initiate a Clare's Law in Manitoba that will be ac cessible to everybody in a variety of ways and means. It is the first of its kind, with an expanded scope in allowing for other individuals to come forward. For example, if you're concerned about your child's

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3695 partner–adult child's partner, you can access for dis - closure. And we are also ensuring that the person who is making application for infor mation, that they would be entitled to choose a designated individual who would also be able to receive that infor mation.

We know in other juris dictions that applicants would be the recipient of infor mation that they had asked for through disclosure, only to have to keep that in secret and not be able to share what they found with anyone else and to talk to another loved one or family member about what they have learned.

And we know that that is not a trauma -informed approach, and this way, our individuals who are com- ing forward can have a loved one present when they hear the information and they can also discuss it with that individual that they have chosen to be their designate, who will also be restricted to con fidential- ity to ensure and safeguard the confi dentiality of the subject of the disclosure.

And so, I just really want to thank also the work- ing group that has come together and we look forward to spending many, many more hours around that working table; hearing from our partners and our stakeholder groups and all –and de partment officials on how we can ensure that the regulations that support this bill are going to be meeting all of its intended targets.

So, with that, Madam Speaker, I think this will make a big difference in the lives of many individuals in the province of Manitoba, and it is a great honour for me to be the gov ernment's repre sentative here today, bringing this bill forward to help survivors of intimate partner violence. * (15:20) Thank you, Madam Speaker. MLA Malaya Marcelino (Notre Dame): Again, similar to Bill 40, this –on side of the House, we are also very much in favour of Bill 43, The Disclosure to Protect Against Intimate Partner Violence Act, com - monly known as Clare's Law.

This is an important bill, and it will be receiving royal assent today and we're very happy that we're going to be having these extra types of protections in place for folks that are suffering from intimate partner violence. At this time, I'd also sti ll like to mention that, in addition to passing legislation, the Families Department and this minister have budgets at their disposal to also support and to continue to enhance that support to vic- tims of intimate partner violence and their families.

I'd like to remind them that it's–this–it–important intersections of newcomers, of Indigenous women, of women living in northern and rural regions, and when this–and when these groups intersect, that there is more, you know, potential for intimate partner violence. So, to have those supports in place for these types of communities is really, really important in addition to legislation like Bill 43. And with that, thank you for the time. Ms. Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): I'm very honoured to be able to rise for a third reading here to talk about Bill 43.

It's a piece of legis lation, Clare's Law, that I am very passionate about and I think that the minister has learned that I have grown to really, really –I want to see this legislation here in Manitoba. It's overdue. We need it. We needed it yesterday, Madam Speaker. Just a little bit about the bill itself. Currently, Clare's Law is practised in Saskatchewan and in Alberta, and every province does it a little bit dif fer- ently, whether that be the intake of applicants and how applicant–or, who can actually apply for the program.

And a few points that I really appreciate that Manitoba specifically added to the legislation is the right to tell. So, for example–if a police officer, for exam ple, sees someone who they–maybe a red flag has gone up and they feel that this person may benefit from know- ing a little bit about Clare's Law, the police officer can actually put Clare's Law, the concept, the idea of this legislation, on the radar of the person who may benefit from it, Madam Speaker. I also really appreciate that it includes family vio- lence.

So if, for example, a partner physic ally abuses or throws or does any sort of–form of harm towards a child, this can be constituted under Clar e's Law as family violence. And it includes the threat of harming and killing animals and damaging property, as well. I think it's really important that we know people, when they get heated and they choose violence in any context–it's scary to see someone pick up a glass and throw it across the room and have it shatter on the wall. Imagine being in the room for that, Madam Speaker.

And again, Clare's Law is making it so people who are fearful of this can come forward with legislation.

3696 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 Madam Speaker, the purpose of Bill 43 is to have a process for individuals who feel that they might be at risk of intimate partner violence. It's to ensure that the process has a safety plan for these individuals who come forward, a risk assessment for them and referrals and supports for different services. I spoke about this a little bit at second reading here in the House, but I know I've had the opportunity to work with women who need to come up with escape plans from their own homes.

How do they get from their bedroom past the living room or the kitchen out the front door and safely into a new facility or home or base without their partner harming them? It's very real. It happens every day here in Manitoba, and Clare's Law is a positive step towards equipping people with the resources that they need. Madam Speaker, I do think that–I had the oppor- tunity to bring forward a couple of amendments, one being spiritual abuse and one being abuse that hap- pens through electronic communications.

And I want to express that I appreciate how I was given leave in the House to bring forward those amendments. And I take the minister at face value and I am positive and confident that she is, in fact, going to be working with the working group on this legislation to incorporate and ensure that those, for example, who are being spiritually abused–if a person is being for - ced to, whether it's practise a spirituality or, in some cases, some partners of others will say, if you don't do this, you are sinning in God's eye. That' s just an example, Madam Speaker.

We need to make sure that spiritual abuse is, in fact, added to this legislation in some context, whether it be through an amendment or not, Madam Speaker, and the same idea when we heard from a presenter last night at committee. Electronic com munication is becoming a more and more dangerous platform. We know what –the social media platforms. We know there's text mes - saging; there's emails; there's instant messaging. And every single day we hear it from students i n school, from cyberbullying to partners, where people are copying and pasting images, Madam Speaker.

It's pretty terrifying, and we need to make sure that this is being considered in Clare's Law. And again, it's a positive step that Manitoba could be taking a lead on. So I really want to thank the minister for intro - ducing this legis lation. I'm very honoured to be able to be a part of it being passed here in the Manitoba Legislature. Thank you. Madam Speaker: Is there any further debate on this bill? Hon. Jon Gerrard (River Heights): Just very briefly, a couple of points. The first is I want to compliment my colleague, the MLA for Tyndall Park, for the work that she has done.

People here in the Chamber may not know that the MLA for Tyndall Park had put a lot of work into producing a bill on Clare's Law, and if the Minister of Families (Ms. Squires) had not brought this forward, she might have presented a similar bill. So I just want to acknowledge all the work that the MLA for Tyndall Park has put into this. I also want to thank the Minister for Families and the Status of Women for bringing this forward. Addressing intimate partner violence is really critical in our society today.

My sister-in-law in Saskatoon spent many years addressing issues of intimate partner violence, so I – whenever we get together, I have heard lots and lots on this subject and the need to address it better. I'm pleased that this is moving forward and I want to thank the minister and thank the MLA for Tyndall Park. Madam Speaker: Is there any further debate on this bill? Some Honourable Members: No. Madam Speaker: If not, is the House ready for the question? Some Honourable Members: Question. Madam Speaker: The question before the House is concurrence and third reading of Bill 43.

Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? Carried–agreed? [Agreed] I declare the motion carried. Bill 46–The Highway Traffic Amendment Act Madam Speaker: I will now call concurrence and third reading of Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act. Hon. Doyle Piwniuk (Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure): Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honour able Minister for Families,

November 3, 2022 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3697 that Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act, be reported from the standing com mittee of the Social and Economic Development and concurred in and be read for the third time and passed. Madam Speaker: It has been moved by the honour - able Minister of Transpor tation and Infra structure (Mr. Piwniuk), seconded by the hon ourable Minister of Families (Ms. Squires), that Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act, reported from the Standing Committee on Social and Economic Development, be concurred in and be now read for a third time and passed. Mr.

Piwniuk: Madam Speaker, I'm pleased to rise today for the third reading of Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act. This bill will make Manitoba's roads safer by creating a new offense under The Highway Traffic Act to prohibit driving on closed highways. Generally, Manitoba drivers know that they are– should not be driving on closed roads. However, we saw last winter or during the spring flooding events, Madam Speaker, that some drivers continue to make dangerous decisions to ignore signs and intentionally drive around barricades.

The RCMP approached our government early this spring asking for stronger enforce ment tools to dis - courage this behaviour, and Bill 46 delivers this by making it clear that driving on closed roads is illegal and that the offenders can face a sig nificant fine re - flecting the seriousness of the offense, Madam Speaker.

I was pleased to hear, during this debate at second reading, that all parties are sup portive of the im port- ance of this legis lation which delivers our own com - mitment to improving road safety for all Manitobans, Madam Speaker. * (15:30) I look forward for a speedy passing of this bill with the intent that have the regula tions needed to proclaim the bill completed by early 2023, before – hopefully, before we have spring–if we –before the spring. Hopefully, we won't have floods next year. This will make sure that we are in the position to start enforcing new offences as soon as possible, Madam Speaker.

And, like I said, this is, basically –when it comes to this bill, Madam Speaker, it is really going to be the RCMP. They are the ones that make the decisions to close highways during bad weather condi tions, and they are also the ones that will deter mine when people–when it's–essential services can go and onto the highway for essential service. And there's just times where –the storms are all different, and if a storm is so bad that even emergency vehicles should not be on the road, this is the discretion of the RCMP, Madam Speaker, or city police. Mr.

Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I appreciate the op - portunity to speak at third reading on Bill 46, The Highway Traffic Amendment Act. We are, as the minister rightly indicated, in sup- port of this bill. And, in fact, safety on our roadways and our highways has been a clear focus of our caucus throughout this session. So, it's fitting that this would be one of the bills that we bring–or, that we support and that is passed here this afternoon.

As you know, Madam Speaker, our caucus has been focused on safety on our highways in a num ber of ways; not least of which, of course, bringing forward concerns about Highway 6 and about snow clearing and about safety going north. Highway 6, we heard from members today talking about Highway 60, talking about Highway 10 and, of course, we've brought that forward in question period in a number of forum.

The minister will also remember that, of course, we brought forward concerns about Highway 210, Highway 12 in Estimates, and the concerns that we had with regards to safety at that intersection, but also on Highway 210 itself. The minister will, I'm sure, have been listening intently every time I brought forward a petition with regards to the Perimeter Highway, talking about the concerns that folks have there about closures and how that will actually make things less safe for those who are accessing roads off of the Perimeter Highway.

Just this morning, as I mentioned, a bill was brought forward by the member for Flin Flon (MLA Lindsey). A bill which I thought should have had unanimous support from this Chamber, to say that we understand the impacts that this minister's neglect of our highways have –has had with regards to the number of people working and the amount of equip- ment that's available to clear our highways; and that some standards should be set and that should be enforced and should be guaranteed to the people of Manitoba.

3698 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 3, 2022 Again, something that, you know, our caucus has brought forward many times, should have been sup- ported by this government and yet, it wasn't. You know, so, this has been a focus of our caucus over and over again, day after day, we've brought these issues forward to the minister. What has been their focus; what has been the gov- ernment's focus? Well, first it was, of course, you know, as I said, cuts to snow clearing, cuts to the bud- get, underspending in the Infrastructure department in general.

And the concerns that we're hearing directly from those on the front lines who are trying to clear our highways; saying there's not enough equipment, there's not enough staff. The minister now says, well, we've got a plan. We're going to–we're going to hire people. Well, his cuts have created the problems that we're talking about. It's his gov ernment's austerity measures that have caused the issues that we have brought forward day after day in this session.

We know that this gov ernment has been on the defence with regards to the minister's overreach when it comes to changing decisions at the minister's table to say that the people of Brandon should be less saf e when it comes to a dev elopment that is going into south of Brandon. That's been the minister's focus; he's been focused on making things less safe on our roadways and on our highways. And, now, they may have seen the light. That may be why they are finally bringing Bill 46. And as we said, we are in support and willing to move this through more quickly.

But it remains a duty, a special obligation, of all of us, I believe, to focus on highway safety as we move forward. And I believe we have a special obligation not just because we're looking out for the people of Manitoba, but because we lost a colleague, Madam Speaker.

And it is so im portant for us to not just use the example that, you know, of what happened to our colleague, but that the stories that came out of that tragedy, the stories that are still available on the website brought forward by residents in Thompson who have said, just share your stories about close calls, about accidents, about tragedies that you know of on Highway 6. And we heard earlier one of the members oppo- site heckling, saying, you know, that we're using Danielle's memory in a political way or that we're, you know, invoking her name just to take a shot at the gov- ernment.

I don't believe that that's the case. I believe that we have that special obligation; every single member here, to honour her memory by making sure that highway safety is a No. 1 concern. So this bill does go a step in the right direction with regards to that endeavour. We know that Manitoba roads bec ome unsafe, you know, parti - cularly in winter. And we've been talking about winter coming for a while now; at least I have. But we know that for our northern friends right now, winter's here. The roads are treacherous today and we need to ensure that the steps are taken.

And as I mentioned in my second reading speech on Bill 46, you know, we listen to our northern caucus because they have the experience. They're driving that every single day. And when I asked the member for Flin Flon (MLA Lindsey), I asked the member for The Pas - Kameesak (Ms. Lathlin), when I asked other members in our northern caucus, they say, you know, what do you do when a highway's closed? When–you know, how do you get that infor mation? How's that com - municated to you from Ma nitoba infrastructure and transportation, or how is that communicated to you, from the RCMP or from law enforcement?

And they said, there is no communication. There's no–those highways are just not closed. People travel on them, they use their best judgment. They're often- times unsafe and yet people are forced to travel on them because they know that they can't wait for a plow that may never come or may be days and days late.

So, the –you know, this may be applicable in many situations, this bill, but we know that there are many situations where, unfortunately, this bill doesn't go far enough ensuring that folks have the information that they need, that our highways are ultimately safe and that we're doing everything that we can to ensure that snow is cleared, that highways are safe and that, if there is a closure, that that information is communi- cated properly.

The minister will also know that at commit tee yesterday, we heard directly from a telecommu nica- tions worker, someone who has experience on the front lines out in Manitoba, you know, doing his job to make sure that people are connected even in emer- gency times. And, you know, I appreciated the presen- tation because it gave us a sense of what it's really like when a highway's closed but we're relying on people to get out there and do their jobs to make sure that

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