..... Volume XL Thursday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT (Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 66 30 June 1988

The House met at 2:00 p.m. Mf~. SPEAKER (MeN Lcholcl1J: OrdE:~r, please! .r-:'!.tL_._,_D_J_l.!S : A point of order, Mr . Speaker . f"'R. ~)PFAKER: A po.inl: oF ol~der, Lhc hon. th(:! I'IIE!TIJber' For' Fogo. MR. Tlll..l< : 1'"1r··. ~)~H'!C~kl'!r', l Lh t n!( 1~.1hal I a1n going to say is a J.egiUrnatE! pcdnt oF or'dc=•r' and t:her·c=!for'e shouJ.d bt::o heard. It has !:o do t.~6th thE• proCE!dure WE! 1nay or · may nol: be foJ.lo1~.ring in this House sometime this aft e r no o n . I t had to do t.~Ji l h the Notice of Motion given yesterday by the GoVE!rrnnE!I'lt House LE!ader (Mr.

Simms) which could conceivRbly see us into a pr·oCE!dure Ud s aFtE!rnoon 1..\JhE!rE• 1..\JE! .. u'e "i.n a clostii''E:! pos-LI.. -Lon ir1 H1c I egislature . Everybody knows it ts a yood pi :H 'l.-i ;'tnleitl-.i:H 'Y r·tJ ·1 c, bu 1-. it is a very serious one which LnLE!I~ft:!r'es -in some I.•.J<:~ys 1~.rLL.h the normal course of debate . Mf~. PATTERSON : C.D . J-lot.~Je introduced closure on l..hc p"i.pel-i nE! dt:!bCI l..e ·i t1 OL l:.t:WJd. Mr~. TULJ< : Yc:~s, C.D .

Hoto~Je introduced closur'E! on the~ p.ipE!l. tn e cleba ·l-.e in Otti:-lWd and the sE•riousrwss of thE! mattE!r was poi.nted out tn l:hnl: par't.icular case because it is a fact of political history that a government led by a Liberal leader at that point in LimP lost an election, I believe, because of the closure rules. I make that point to the hon. gentleman. MR. SPEAKER : Or'dE!r'', pleasE'!! 1.3723 June 30, 1988 Vol XL MR. SIMMS : What is your point of order? MR. TULK: Mr. Speclker, rny point of ordE:~r is t:h is: The Go~JE:!J"nlilent House l .. eader· fcC! e 1 s Ud s c los u 1r.

E· mot i on h a~' L o be i n h~ o d u c e d ·i n o I'' del" L h a L he might gEd~ SuppJ.y, that hE• rn:i~Jhl': hdue 1r10ney l_o pi:-1y c·i .vi] ~.; ei"V•''tnt:~:., to pay widows and so on. That w~s Lhc gi.sl : or=- hi s l"C i'ndrk!; ye s l':cr· day E!Ventng, th:is had Lo bE· done:! because Lhl'! govur·n1nurtl' 1~.1as r·unni .n•J out of cash. Mr .

SpE!aker', 1 say to l:hE! hon . gentlt:!lnan l:haL cl()sur·c=! l.n !·:.his CaSE! :i.s not l'lE!CE·S~ ::a ry bE!Ci:"!USE' jF li'H '! hon. <3('!nL-1elllcHl I•Janl':s Lo introduce a b:l]1 tl1:i.s r:lfi:t::!l'··noon giving further· lnl..(!r 'iln Supply For· a couplE! of 1..\JeE!I<s, the Opposition is prepared to do so. SOME HON. MEMBERS : ----··----- .. -···-··- Hear, hE!ar! MR. SIMMS : Mr . Spedker . MR . f:>PEAKER : The h on . t he Pre s ide n t of l: he COIJnC:i l., Lo Lht:' po ·i n 1·. of Ol"clc:•r' MR. SIMMS : ~1r.

Spc,l; :~kc->.r ·, l:o LhE! po :inl: of or'der, obv:ious]y l·:h~~ L·i.bE:!I"a1 Par·Ly conl. -inues t..o pl<'tY c::t charc:~du IAI·i.Lh Lhe people of the Province of Net•JFoundl and and Labr·i:'ldor·. rt. 'is absolul :ely a sharn bE!caus~:· they knoto~J or they should knoi..\J, per'haps they do not kncli.~-.J, per·haps lhey shouJ.d know, :i.t is just not. a 111atter· of bringing :in a bill For Interim Supply for a WE!Ok or· two weeks. There is a considerable arnount of 1..\Jork done in p1~epa1~ing The IntN· :i.m SuppJ.y B-1.11, in Facl:, WE!E!ks of 'it. I gUE!SS by the l.trnE· you cont-.-.act. all.

Lhc govt:!r'nlllE!nl': No. 66 (Af'l':E!rnoon) R3723

depRt ·L tnents dnd sr~E!k l:h(:• amount they r·equirE!, t.\Jhclt thE!Y would n ~~ E! d , I me an , i L ·i. s j us 1: no l: a simple matter. So that is such a silly k:ind of commE!nt, but it fits in so u.JelJ tAJith their parb .cuJ.ar appr·oach on these rnal:l:E:~J"S and in thi.s par·ticular matlE!r. I can that lS assurE• thE! the kind hon . l'nE!Jnber ·.i.f of co-operation he ·is sugg('!Sl: :i ng, J;JH ar'E! nol:. :lnl::t=>r't'!SLPcl in that bE•CaUSE! :i.t c <.~ n no l:. iAJO 1~ k , ·i 1:. does it will not work . SOME HON. MFMRERS : I·IHi:'tl", h(''dr! r-'!r~. s.rMr-'!s: T hr~J"e :[ s 0 b l) ·j 0 l.l s 1. y .

MR. SPF.AKFR: 110 Or ·d·~~r·· ·;-·pl ease! poinl not. t,.Jo 1~ k , i'Hicl of order·, Thi'l l: is p11rE!l.y a hypo 1-:hc:· t::i cal posi'l' ·:ion and a ntatl":E!r' that can bE• cl'''<"tll: t,J ··iLh i:'tl i.:he Li1ne. ThHr'('! -i.s certainly no point of order. Statements by Ministers MR. MATTHEWS : Mr . Speaker . IV!R. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. thE! Min·is h'>r' ol C<H'f: !E! I" Development and Advanced Studies. SOME HON. MFMBERS : Hear·, hE!ar! MR. MATTHF.WS : Thank you, Mr. Spr:,aker. Today T clffl anr10uncing 1.47 projects 1. o b ''! F 1 1 n d e d t 1 n d e r· L h i ~; y (! <:t r· s Private Sector Employment Program.

SOMF HON . MEMBERS : 1.3724 June 30, 198B Vol. XL liear, hear! MR. MATTHEWS: These 147 projects involve a provincial contribution of $434 .,858 employing 192 :i.ndjviduals and an acld :i. L:ional tol:.al o-r :~'70,090 employing 82 students. ·ro date, Mr . Speaker, approx:i.rnatEdy $6. '-)2 rnLI Li.on has be f'! n s p (' n 1:. 1-o c r· C:! at·. E! 2 , 5 ') 7 j o b :,; , 80~_; of u.Jhich ai~E:! ~:;l'.uclenL pos:l.l.-.ions.

T l.lJOUlcl c·<lso 1ike Lo indicate that 1,234 businesses from appr·ox·illtr.tl:ely :26S colrttnunit·.:ic:·s jn this Pt~ov]ncE· hc~VE! appl:iE:!d rol" dl'lcl I"C:•cu ··i.ucc:l Fundi l'l<;J L:hr·cu<]h L.hoi s Pl~ival:.e SecLo1~ Emp1oynlE'I'Il. Pr'oqr·arn, 2()5 <:OII'IIfllll'li .I-Lcs, f•1r · Spf'!dk<:!l". SOME HON. Mi-~MBE~S : Hear, hear·! MR. MATTHFWS: ~his in its~lf is an indication of 1-. h e s 1 1 c c E' s s o f Uri s p r· o 9 r· am .

M I" ~3 p E'! <'< I<E:! r· , ,,1\ Llri ·; p o i 11 t· .~~ -~ 1 Fund:ing ha~; beE!n a]]ocaL:E!d l:.I'H··ough L h r~ r· E! g u l C+. r· p r' o c E! s '' , a 1 l. h o u c:; h additional projects maybe announcE•d l:hr·oughoul: the SUIIIITIE!r' as sJ.tppage occu1ns. ThE! f:i.nal announcemenLs on should see the goal, Mr . Spea ker, MR. EFF'ORD: Mr· . ~3pE~aker . ~!JR. SPEAKER : l·hose programs creatjon oF our of 3,000 job s. Tho hon . the lnE:'Ifl~H'!r · for · Por· ·l: dE! GravE!. MR. EFFORD : In the absence of my colleague for the SLraiL of Rel.lc Is1 e (Mr.

Decker) I tAtant to make c1 fE!IAJ br·tc,·f COITIIII0ni~; i:'tboui: l:".hO'i s s'i:<:'t1".f:!llll~l"'[·:. by l:hE! rn:inister· today. It seE:!rns Lo be cl o n c o n ,,1 IAJ e e k :1 y b d s L s ~; o I r:·< 111 wondering if it has anything to do No. 66 ( Aft.r:!l~noon) R3724

with our 10/42 Lotto we hear Fr·om t•JeE:~k to IAJE!ek ·i.n I)Jh·ich are created for ten weeks and 1Al9 h iHJ E! f 0 r t y -·1-:1).10 I•J(:' E! k S unernployrnE!I'I 'L about jobs thE! n oF 1'-1 r· . ~:> p '" a k C:' I" , t~J h i 1 e t h :l s p r o j E! c t :l s no1).1 co111-.i.ng Lo ;:'tn end, Lhe1~e ·i ~; i'1 question Lo bE:' asked. The rrri . ITi s L. e r· , r FliTI ~; 1.11' e , h <:·1 s b c en i:Lsb~cl this befort'!, but Lhe House need::. <.'t r·epOI"i . <'tn d ~;o do l·l·lc:! l c l I p . 1.11 .

J 1-> l'! 0 p .. (=' 0 1 : "I P · r• 0 U ]: I' ICE:! . v~ 'll .. (;! $6 . 1:1? 11l'i l ·1 ·; 1:. n ivt s b c •=· 1'1 ;; p ('! n i on Lhf~ cr'f:'cltJon of jobs, IAJE• IAJE•rE! 1E•d I o b e ·1 l c~ v c , i'-11 " . ~=; p H a k r:1 I" , , ... h <·l L Lhese jobs ar·e created and they al"l'! pHI"rnanc~nl·. jobs, and i:hey a1··r=! nol: just : gojng l.:o be r·einst .. ated next. year. This was iniU .at .e d last yE:~ar, Mr . Speaker, and again this year, the year· of 1988, and t:o date,~ t;.JE! have seen no report.

We have asked the rn:ln:ister· Uds question and i).Je Lo\JOUld likE•, at SOfTIE! pcdnt in UrnE!, For the hon . minister to be able - if hE! could l:isl:.en and ket'!P his col lE!clgues qui f u he I)Joul .cl hE'!iH', and I a111 Sl.Jr"E! the m:inist:E·r has a j o b h e <.~ r· i. n g , b u L t l. t s <:·\ lJ e I" y serious question. A I: s 0 IIH :~ p o i n L ·i. n l. :i.m e , l ;~ m S t.lr' C! his dE!par·-tmerd~ I;.Jould do a study t.o chC:'Ck <:'tnd i'·1Ci.lli''tlly ~;C'C:! ho1.•1 lfl•lrlY finns have dcHH'! Lh~· hi1"ir1g Lhr'Oijgh l:.hc:! p; "i.

V<'lLC sect:.OI" cosi: shrli"·iny pi"Ogl"am for· 1as l~ yc,'<H' and Uds year have kep L Lhe people h~ue kep-t thern on after t:.he projec-t and ·it .s govcH·nrrH:!n~·. funding h<:·1S r1m ou-t? I am sure the m:i.nistE•r rnust be concc:!rnecl about t:his and so t•Jt::~ arE! concernE!d. AN HON. MEMBER: One hundred per cent of them. MR. EFFORD: If jt js 100 per cenl:, tt is gr·eat. I am sur·E! I:: hE=! govE•r'nlnen t L3725 June 30, 1988 Vol XL do not want to go through this san 'H'! proj E!Ct: Rgi'·d n nE!Xt: year· and pu ·t the sarne amount of monE:'Y j n Lo rc,• --·hire ~·.ht=! same number· oF peoplE!.

WE! haVE! no argument wi t.h 1: hE:' go v E! r' rnnE! n 1:. c r· E! i'l L t n g j o b s . I L is good fo1 ~ LIIE! peopJ e of l:h::Ls P r· o l.J i n c e "'r1 d 1.:• s puc i <·\ 1 1 y q o o d f o 1'· the students corning out oF II 1'1 i V C:! I'· S i l: lj i'1 1'1 d l.: i" i'l cl (~ S C h 0 0 l. l: 0 b f'' able to avaj] oF Summer c rn p 1 o y 111 e n t. . n 1 1 i t··. h C:! n~<-d n :i s s u .:· hE•I~E! ar'E! thE! pE:!I"flldi!E•nL job~;; lh<'ll. a I"· c s 11 p p o s co L o h t:~ c r· e <'t I e cl .~1 n' I supposed to be kE•pL on after the pr·oyr'i:'tln ·i~:; ·l·t·'!l''lfl -ini:'li ·ed !"hat · i.~. the quest.:jon .

At sorne pcdnL, M l'·. S pen k u r· , b C:! ,~or ' E'! R E:· g •"~ t l "' Day , befo1~E! the HousE' of Fl s ~; E!lllb] y cl.OS('!S dur· -i.ng l:i 'll:! 1rr icl dle ol August, couJ.d L.t.Je get. an dnstAJC:!I~ on thRL? MR. RIDEOUT : Mr' . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: fhe hon. the Mjn is ter oF Fisheries . MR . RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . SOME HON. MEMBERS: lle.":l.r, hc,~ar·! MR. RIDEOUT : fJlr· .

SpcdkCI", t)i'l Apr ,··i.l ?e, l. t•Y\ S pll=!ased to be ablE· Lo pr·ovidE! l~hJ ~:; liou sc I;.J"i LI·I ''\I'! 11pd;.-·\Le l•lilh r·r:•spec l Lo goVE!rnniE!nt.' s :1 nuolvernE•nL l;.r.i l-:!1 l.o<.~n 911<.~r·anl.ec!S <:·IS i".hE!Y rcc•lclt:ed t:o f:ish compan:i .es. At that time I i nd.i .Ci'1 t.:"1d l:hA l·.: t•.Je h<:'td c=!x l:.l:! nciE•d and provided guarantees on behalf of 1-.E!n co1npi'lnies, totalling approximatE!] y $3 rn:l .LI ion.

This assistance impacted positively upon approx:LmatE1J.y 1, 200 jobs, and I am p 1 e a s e d 1: o a d v i s e Ud. s H o u s t?. today that we have provided or exl .encled assist.ancE:• on behal.f oF four additional companies tol:.a11ing $3,280,000. This No. 66 (Afternoon) R3725

d ddt t: ·i. on <.·ll a s s -i_ s l:. <.'t n c e s h o 1 1l cl :in1pact posit:ively on another· soo pl.;:~nl:. lkJor·kor·s. l.n clcld'i.t:·ion f:o th(:' 1,200 ple1ni: t~Jor·kcc~lns di.r-ectJ.y affE!C1:E!d in my ea1nli.E!r announcement, Mr. SpeakE!r, the,~ companies ':involved a1ne c~s fo11.ows: 1. Torrent Fisheries Limited, :~80,000. This ne1.1.J guar·ant~?e t~rill enable Uds comp,any to opE•JnatE! the fish plant at ljatJdkl"! 1 S Bcly, provided badly needed employment for eighty plant workers. 2.

Petty Harbour fish Producers Co-operative Society LimJted, $1 I 1.00 I 000. nli. s Co--op has I~Jor keel well to advance the interest of t:he i.nshor·e;! f:ishE!r'ITil'!n or PE!I".Ly Harbour. Government's assistance will. bee~ of cJ·.i.rc"!Ct bcO!m!l:-:it: to approximately ninety plant workers d n d 1:. h e f ·.i s h e r· 111 P n o f P c"d:. l: y H a r· b o u r t~Jho also sE:~lJ. the·.ir catch to the Co op. 3. Geor·ge Di.'liAJCc~ and Sons 1_·-i_m·i. cE'!d, Por·t dE! Cr·avE•, $1.00,000.

This extE!nS"i.on or thE~ company Is ·l~wo $50,000 guaranteE!S 1.1.d.ll enablE! it to continue 1.1.ri.th its saltfi.sh operation on the Island and on the Labrador Coast pr·ov:idtng an outlet to fj sherrnen and aJ.so much nE•edE!d employment for approximately thirty p1ant workers. 4. Notre Dame Bay Fisheries Limited, Comfort Cove, $2 mi1lion. Government recent1y exl:.E!I'lded th.is company's guar·an·h:!\'!S of $1 mi1lion each, thereby enabl-i.ng oil: to conUrllH"! tAJi.l:h :its multi-spec:ies operation which in peak pc,~r··i.ods pr·owi.dc"!S E:~tnploymenl: to over 300 plant IAJorkers.

This opE!r'al.:·i.on "is opc.;!n foi" i·.:he bel:.l:E!r parl of a year operating some nine to 1:-.C'!n mon Lhs annually. L3 726 June 30, 1988 Vol XI .. M ,, . Speaker· , .i f ~~JE~ <u· e I o :.i. rn p r· o tH~ and develop the fabric of ruraJ 1\Jr:~t.ufoundl<'tnd 1--.hen I~.JE' rnusl:_ have a vibrant fishing industry. I am coni=-.idenl:. L:hal-. 011r' <'tss·i.sl--.ance ·:in the form of Joan guaran-LE!E!~~, t,l.)hi ch does not invoJ.ve direct cash outl.ays, t..~ril.l. E!nabl.e l:he companies I have rnent:LonE!d today and :i.n r11y prE!v·.ious Minish:H'ial.

StatE!ITient to dE!VeJ.op and prospE·r to UlE' extent. that governtnent assoi.st:<:,lnce \)J:ill no longer be requ:ired. Out commil:ment to Newfoundl.and is indisputable it is clear1y indicated in incr·c,'dSC'!d a~>s.-i.sl:i:'lncf::! I)Jhi.r~h I announcE!cl today. MR. W. CARTER: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: ThE:~ han. the ITil;•rnbe r Tt.1.1 i.ll :-i. n g a 1: e . MR. W. CARTER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I"UI"a]. and the:· have fOI" Mr. Speaker, if the J.oan guar·ani::E!(:~S l·hE!

ITiintst:E'!r hds announced today are absoJ.utely necessary, -i_f the bE!nefits to be der:ived by virtue of these J.oan guar·antE•E•s bccdng g:iven arf:'! as Lhr:• rnin:i.ster :i.nd:i.catE!S, and :i.f a11 of Lhe r'E~qu·ir'elnE!n-l:.s a1~e rne t, ,:'lnd I presumE! they i:H'E!, t.hen, of cour'SE!, rnernbE:~r·s on this sidE'! t.~.Jc,'l.corne th,,! announcement; we have nothing at al.l aga·i.nst making loan guaranl~er~s available for the deveJ.oprnent of our Fi.shelny. Mr. Speakc,~r, SOHIE'' of UH:!

F.i.gur"-~S rnr::~ntioned by the rn:in:lstE!r aJ"E' i.ni·.-.E:~resLi.ng. lie says a loan guarantee of roughly $3 milJion tAJ-i1l ·i.rnpdc-1: on 1)00 plant-: t.~.Jorker·s in the Province. Of course, I c ;-;, n no 1: l e 1: l.: h E:' o p p or· l:. u n i L y go by without once again reminding the No. 66 (AFI::E:!rnoon) FU'/26

minister that if the same criteria were applied, if the money we have put in Sprung was put in fisheries development. it would probably provide anywhere from 2,000 to 3,000 jobs, tAJhich, I th'ink, agaJ.n points out just how crazy the Spr-ung thing i.s. Min. Spc,1aker', I am ver'y i.ntE!lnested here tn Lhe one for George Dawe i'tnrl Sons. J"hai: rnorH,'Y i.s be"i.ng made dtJa:ilabl('!. or' :is a ~~uaran LeE'!. l:O E!nc:'lblE! l:hP COITIFJdl'lY l:O (jC'!t fuJ' "l-hEH' involved in the saJ.t FJ.sh bus'i.nE:•ss. r"'\nd f. i·:h i.nk l:.hi'l'l. .is a good thing.

CertainJ.y, with the g 1 u L 0 F c 0 d r ish IAJE:! n OIAJ h (1 v C:! l: h E:• PtnovinCE!, it SE•ems to me,, that one of l.:h<:! anst.•.Jer-s t.o l:he prob]r:!lfl ··i.s to encourage peopJ.e to salt U1Edr ftsh, and, of course, by making this loan guarantee available to George Dawe and Sons, which of course, is a welJ--known saJ.t fish producing company, then :indirect:ly they are contributing to allev:ia t.ing l.he glu l:: probJ.ern. OF course, t.~JE• cannot fauJ.t them for doing l:.hat. Mr.

Speab~r, i te>m nurnbc,1r four- in the minister's statement, Nortre Dame Bay Fi.sheriE!S, Comfor-t Cove, again a very fine company operated by a f·:Lne fam"ily, Lou F.:vel.fd(jh dnd his sons, it SE!ei'Tis to me 'thclt this is i·.he second l.·.i1ne thc:qt h<:'ts been announced, and I arn I.I.Jonder:ing iF the minis~er is not try"ing lo play garrJE~s. I hope hE! is nol:. Maybe he "i.S not. If he i.s no,l.: I apolog:iZE:'. MR. SPEAKFR: Order, ph>ase! MR. W. CARTER: Mr. Speaker, we do welcome the statement.

In clos"ing, I would like to remind the minister of the prorn:i.se:1 rnade by his colleague, the MJnister of Career Development, L3'727 JunE:1 30, 19B8 Vol. XL that they would TabJ.e inforrnaU .o n dE:1a1ing IJ.Ji.th the Ting acqu:is:i.t.:ion, the leasing of the Ting plant. He promised to Table aJ.J. the transactions on that deaJ.. MR. SPEAKER : Or'dt=!r. pJ.eaSE!! Oral Questions Ml~. SPEAKEr~ : ThE! hon. the JTJE:!rnber fo1" St. Bar'tH ~ . MR.

FUREY: r"lr' . ~3pf:!c'tker', ·i.n the ab";ence oF Lhr;• Minisb=!r of JustiCE! (M~:; Verge) I IAJoul.cl like l:o po~;c;! a quesl.·"Lon t:·.o t h e D E' p u t y P r E! rrd E! r ( D r . C o J. 1 i n ~; ) . It refers to the Fowler Report frorn thE! judi.cial inquiry into the fire at Badger Lake, :.i.n Cat.arnar·an Provincia]. Park. HE! wiLl knoi.I.J, as it tAJas tabJ.ed J.ast tAJeek, that the judge says 1 the cause of Uw forest Fire was due to hot rnateria1 being pr 'ojecled by a West -bound extra Fre ight tra in being .negligently operated by CN Tc->.rr··a-Transport. 1 MR.

CALLAN: That is why we cJ.osed down the rall.way. SOMF. HON. MF.MBERS : Hear', hE:1ar! MR . FUREY: Mr'. ~3pedker. i.l·.: 1nay be Funny l:o hon. rnernbers opposjtE• but it: is 11 o i: F u n 11 y 1:: o t h c• s ·j x l: e c• 1'1 fa rn t l :i e s who lost over $700,000 worth of p r o p C:H' t y . T. ,"\ s k l::l'w D e p u t. y PrerniE!r, in alJ. seriousnE!SS - if you can keep thE! Minis Ler' of Tourism (Mr. Barrett) who j s back from Japan quiet for two minutes - MR . BARRETT : i have not been there . No. 66 ( A f l.: c~ nw o

n) R37;(7

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR. FUREY: Oh, p-i.c!< any counl:ry, i·:hen. I ask t:he Depu l:.y PrE'!m:i_(=!r 1.~o.ri.ll governrnE!nt b~~ s~'ek:ing cornpensat:l.on from CN in light of Judge Fowler 1 s findings, and in light of the destruction of over $700,000 worth of private property by this company 1 s neJ ·igence, and, as 1.~o.1e11, by the near destruction of another ptece of public propc>r·ty known as Catamaran Park? Will the 90V(''IAI'llnt:.~nl bE:! S(~E!k·i_ng COiflP('!nSat.·ion from CN immediately? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. l:h~~ Minisr:E!r oF Health . DR. COLLINS: Mr .

Speaker, T. believe that certain aspects of this matler arE! sl:.ill bE!for·E:! l::he courls i.n sornt:! rE:' ~; pc.:>ct so one ha s t.o bE~ car·eful of l:his rni:~l·:i~E !r. 1 L-.hi.nk l:ho baste fa.c'ls al"E! clC'!iH'. The pE!Ople have,, bee n aggrieved, they have lost properly, there is recourse r.·wai.labl.E! to lhem, and 1 c1m sure that the report that came in tAJiJ.l be v E:~ ry use Fu1 t.o those pE!Opl e who might be claimants. Now, there have been certain representations made to their representatives, certain requests have been made and thE:~se ar·e I:H=dng Followed up .

I can assure the han member, and assure this House, that we are very sympathetic towards these property owners in the Province and we are making whatever efforts that can be• made at this point in time, but there ~re certain aspects t.hat haVE! not cleared the court procedure totally as yet. MR. FUREY: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR . ~'1PF.:AKFR : 1 .. 3 728 June 30, 1988 Vol XI_ A supplementary, the han. thE! member for St. Barbe . MR. FUREY: 1\lot IJ.Iil· .:hst:c.111ding, Mr.

Speab:or·, l::he damage private property owners suFfE!r'f::d, T. i'\:;k l:he ln:in ·isl:.E!r' l.~o.l·it~h respect to the public property, s-.Lnce Ca t.:diTliH'iH1 Park L\li'1S devastated, nearly destroyed c o rn p 1 e t c~ 1 y , 1.~o.r:i 11 UH~ g o v e I" J'llrl e n t b e seeking financial compensation Lo resl:.or'E• l::hat park Lo -lL original beauty? MR. SPEAKER: rh·'E;-'1i()ii-~ 'TFi.E! M oi. n --i_ s t·. r,~ r o F H t:! a l t: h . DR. COLLINS : Mr. Speaker, tha ~ is another aspect to it:, but :l.t ois a vei"Y s e r i o u s a n d :i rn p o r t·. d n 1-. a s p E:• c t .

I will particularly take notic e of Uu~ i: q tH' s t. i o n <Hl cl t: r y t o 9 E! 1: a s many details as possible on it and br·'i.ng U·H:!m back i:.o the=! House. MR. FUREY : Mr . SpeakE:·r· . MR . SPEAKER : A F-l.nal. Si.ippl.(,,m('!nt.c:~ry, l.:he hon. the member for St. Barbe. MR. FUREY: Mr. Speaker, Judge Foi~J}E!r 1 s rE!pOrt lays out speci.ftc rE!Cornrnendattons, ets the governrnent ''dll kno1AJ because these specif:l.c recOIIliTlendations u1ere l:abJ.ed :in this House. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR.

FUREY: I ask the Deputy PrerniE·r, in thE! absence of the Justice Minister, will the government be acting upon those recommendations, specifically with respect to a pol .. i.celnc:H1 1.~o.1ho lv-1s knc:uAJ1HclgE• of the forf:~st industry, and thE· one No . 6 G (AfUH ·noo

n) R372B

concerning the CN employees who were under stress when they were testifying at these hearings? Will the government be acting upon those recommendations, specifically two and three, immediately? SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hl=!ar·. hear! MR. SPEAKER : Thr:' hon. the Minis Let" of Health. DR. COLLINS: r·~i". Spc~a!<er. :r Si'1 i.c:l ( lAJ()Ijl ,d l:.t.~kc,~ that qups Lion and rnc-1 ttet"s r'E!}a ·U·d Lo under· nol.:i .cr:•. l'he hon. M . . L F ·1· ' .

I l '1 J. rn s-e t" o·.. , us l .. l c C:' ·1 as a .. t" E' r.w y 1 a i d o 11 1.: c e r· L <:·1 -L n Fa c 1: s -L n 1.: h E! matter and I am sure that all o t. h e r· a s p 1,, c 1·.: s of i 1:. lAd 11. b (;' similarly investigated. MR. SPEAKER : The han. the member' for Nc~s kaupi . MR . KELLAND : Thank you. Mr. Speaker. I u.Jould likE! to d:irE!C t a to the Minister of Agricultural and Development (Mr. · PotAJer). MR. POWER: No t again! MR. I<FLL.ANO : question Rural, Northern Yes l··.t=•rday.

Mr. thE! min:i ster· Speaker, I a~;kocl of a series qur:~st.ions. and ht:! !Alas noi: spr,:!d .fi .c :in his anst.ur::~rs. Rut one po:i nt. c am e t h r· o u g h p r· e U: y c l E:! a r· J. y • d n d thclt t.uas that it is no concern of hi .s as a tni.rdsi:E!r, or· oF l::hE~ government. that mechanics liens are being taken out against Spr·ung. and no concern of his that t. he sub co ntr··a c l:.o r· s IAJE! rE! not: bei nq paid.

NotJ.J I ask him to tell. rne quite clearly and distinctly is that his personal ministerial L3729 June 30, 1988 Vol XL policy and the policy of goVE!rnment, that you have no concern in this matter? MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Agricultural DC'!V('!l.Oplrwnt. MR. POWER: Minis LE•r and of Rural. Northern M1~. ~3peclkE•r, there ·.1s neVE!r any di.sl ·::i.nction bE•I :.t•.Jeen thE• pr ~r·sor:al feelings oF ministers and what I fl ·i. n :i '> I. (' I'' ~; ~; •'II) .:\ :; q 0 V C" (' n ITI (' n l:. pol:i.cy. They arE!, j,n E:'rFE:!ct:, o1·w c'l n d 1: h C'' ~; ;:~ rn (~ .

T n 1".: h ·i s r:'l r· f~ <.·t , tAJ 1·1 C:'! n I s a y 1 c o n c E! r· n o F g o v E! r n ITI E! n t , 1 I.A.I e cl o 11 o t. h ,:-, v E! <:·l n 1J l. 1:! q r-1 1 , b j n d i. n g , conl:ractua1 cornlnittTIE!nl·:.s t.AJith any of Lhe subcontractors . In this Pr·ovinCE!, and :in many other' placE:•s tn the Free world, 1-.:here is a system whereby when government cornrni.ssions sornE! t.~Jor·k 1:-.o be done there is a general contractor used.

If the Government of Newfoundland, or any company or corporation that used a genE!raJ. conl:raclor' t.AJa~; going to then l:ry Rnrl decide, SE!ttJ.e, ar·b:itrate, 01~ utnp:i.I"E• disputes bel".:ween subcontractors and thE! genE!raJ. contractor. then I suspect there would not be very much done in this Province. We had a contract tAli t:h a genE:!I~aJ. c o n '!". r c:1 c 1:. o r· . T o o 1 1 r s a l:. ·j s f a c t: i o n that: contract. has bN·n fuJ. ·fLl] eel. Tl·1c! clispui.E! bel·t•Jeen thE! subcontractors and the general conl ·:r·act.or IAJ:ill h<.·11JE! l .. o t.ak(;!

Lh(;! normal cour'sE•s that arE! i.nvo1vPd "i. n ''' f r· o e l.AJO r· l. cl . MR. KELLAND : Mr . Speaker. MR . SPEAKER : A supplementary, the hon. l: hE! member for Naskaupi . MR. KELLAND : No. 66 (Aftenwon) R3'729

Ml". Spc->.akt:~r·, I cannot bE!lieve that the minister is saying, thRt go~Jc->.rnrnent has no business being conct:H'ned lAd th Hd.s. 1 a1n not tciJking about the legal aspect, buL L.l·w Jn-i.ni.st:E!F"' hc:·\S c'\ rnor·Rl. obJ igation to the pE!OplE:~ of l:his PI" o u -L n c e . An cJ 1 d s k how c i'l n h (~' justify ignoring that moral obligation to t:he people he J"eprt:'sents, who own 50 pPI"cent of Lhe company? Mr~. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the Agrtcul tur·al DE!Ueloprnenl:. MR. POWEr~: Minister of Rural, and NorLhern ·Mr·-~·-;)pE:-akE•r, obviously it has nothing Lo do with government's lack of concern.

I just said we do not have a financial. responsibility, a financial concE!r'rl as i.t r·elt3.b~s. nw participants in the company the me1nbE!r i:'\S lu=!d !TIE~ aboul·: yes l:.c=!r'dHy i.H'C'! vE:!I"Y good FriE!nds oF rwinE•, but: Lhey h<.·\<Je C\ probl.n1n I..1J i i.:h t:~ gorHH'<.ql COI'Ii l"dC [:.01" IAJ:i [:I'J IAJhOrrJ they sigi'Ho!d a con Lr·c:u L. I l: -i !; noi.AJ in ·i he J egi'tl. jud:iciaJ Pl"ocess of this ProvincE! for Uwm to get a sE!I:L1ernenl-.. tf the govEH'nrnenl:. was to interfere in euery dispuLe between every subcontractor and general contr'i'IC l·:.or.

Uwn r clo noi: krlot.-~J 1.-~Jhy we have gone to aJl the trouble of having l'nech<:\n·i.cs l·iens <:1nd a IAJholH range of laws in this Province. That is lAJhat they ar·e UH'!r'8 for, to settle those kind of disputes. This goVE!rntnCo'nl: has no intention of getting invoJved either in this issue lAJith Sprung or tAJith any other gE:~neral contractor in a dispuLe with a subcontractor. MR. KELlAND: Mr. Speaker. Mr~. SPEAKE I~: 1..3'730 JunE• 30, 19B8 Vol XL A final supplementa~y. MR.

I<EL.L.AND: ThE!re .i.~; no IAJi'IY thE! gotJEH'nrnent cannot be concernE:~d and thE!r'E' is no IAJC\Y :i.'l·. 'i.s rJOnC'! of govennnenl:'s business what is happening over l: hE:! r· f~ • r.IJr· . 5 p C'! a k c=• r . .r IAJO u J. d 1 i. k e to ask him a f:inal supplernE•ntary. What abo1tt Lhr:~ NE!IAJF'oundlancl contractors you just spoke oF? Aro you no!-: concerned LhaL Lhey are not being paid? MR. POWER: Mr. ~)peak(c!r. MR. SPEAI<Er~: rhc~~ hon. the Agr:icul tural DeVE!loprnE!nt. MR. Pm..JER: Minist'"'" and 0 r~ RIH'al. NO I" t_ h E• I~ n Mr. Speaker, all l:hE• subconl-.r·acl:or·s i.n Lhc;!

Pr·ovince deal with general contractors in a IAJhol.c! r·ange of th:i.nqs. YE:!S l .. er·d<'\Y I had onE:! of rny fr·:i.r::!ncls, a const··i.J:IiUni ... li"OJn :<-i.]I:H·iclc•, I•Jho called rne with a clispuLe between a !; I I b C 0 n 1: r' d C I, 0 I" i:'l l'l d i:'l h :i g hI" 0 d d S project. Now how do I or the govr:~r·nmenl: go oul:. and sel·.:t:·J.E~ a dispute between our general cont.r·actor·, 1 . .-~1ho hi'IS a t:endc:!r ·Fr·om the government, and in Lhat general cont:rctct. Lhey le~ a subcontract to get some hyciJ~oseed-i.ng donf=• or so1ne guardrail put up?

Are we supposed to ·.intC'!r'fC'!Y'E! ever·y ci<1Y in a legitimate agreement between a govPrnrnent and a contr·acl::or·? And then when there js some subcontracting, are we also supposed to go out and be r·r:~spons.ibl.e for· that? lhe rc~~ali.ty is, Mr. Speaker, that in the Pro v t n c r::! lAJ e h i'l v e a s y s tE~ rn IAJ h Co' r e by any subcontractor w.ho works for a gener·al. conl:r·c:·\cl:or, tAJho has a tender frorn gotJer·nrnent, has a rn r:~ c h i.~ n 'i. s rn to~J h e r e b y 1:. h u y c i.'l n a c c e s s No. 66 (Afternoon) R3730

::I the courts, access the Mechanic Liens Act, and thE!Y gE!t their just desserts as it relates in the court itself. We have no '.intention of in govE.~r·nmE!nt, ·i.n the casE• of Sprung or anything E!lse, to get involved with subcontracto~s. It is not gouernment 1 s responsibility. Yes, t.1.JE! ar·e concer·ned, but at thE~ sarnE! t. .i ITI (;! IAI C:' hi'\ V C a C 0 11 1:: r' <:-1. C t. C:~ l'l d I: h 0 S E:! contractual obligations have been Fu1fi .ll.E:!d. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Heal", hE!a1···! MR. W. CARI.ER : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPCAI<FR : The- ) hon. TwilJingate . MR . W. CARTFR: Mr.

Speaker, the Minister Rideout) and caplin fishery Lhe ITlE!rnber For· my CjLIE:!SLi.on gc.H :!S to of Fisheries (Mr. it concerns the which ended for the purse seine Fi shermen last midnight in NotrE· Dame Bay. Mr . Speaker, I know t:he rnin:ist:er IAJ:il.l remind me of the quota that has been agreed to between the JapaneSE! and thE! industry, and the importance of s{:aying IAd.i:hin that quota. But, Mr·.

SpE!akE!r, rny quest: ion to the rni n is l:: E:· r· ·is pose cl in light of reports that I r'E!CE:' 'lUt:!d l::odciY fi"OIIl f·i.shC:!I"IIlE :!n i.n rny distl"i c-l , as has thE! hon . the rnc"nnbor For· fogo (Mr . ruJ k) <;tnd l be] ieve, thE:! hon. t.he: mE~mber for· P o r i: cl e G r R t; e ( M r . F f F o r· d ) , t:: o Uw effc,~ct tha-t: caplin are plentiful, lhe quaJ.Lt :y ·i.s E!XCc~llenl: i~ncl Lht:! JapanesE:~ buyers have been LelJ.ing LhE~SE! F~lshcH'lTlE!n l.:h<:~l: add.i.l.:·."Lonal markets exist For additional cr:tpl".i.n OVf:!r "'nd ctbOV(~ t:he qtlol::a.

Giuen a11 these Facts and the fact 1.: h a t c d p l. ·i n t h i. s y c,' a r t s a u P r' y lucrative business, would the L3 '73 1 June 30, 1988 Vol. XL rrri.n :ister undertake;! l.:o discuss w:ith his fe!dera1 countE!rpart, and aga:i n IAri th due r·egard for thE' quota, thtO! possjbility of maybE! E!XT.E!nding thE! season to give the fishermen a chance• to cash in on what in rnost areas have been a bonanza this year? MR. RIDEOUT : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon . the Minister of Fisherie s MR . RIDFOUT: Ml" . ~:;peakel". I tAJant l:o now, t;er y c 1. e <:l i'' l y • 1"

C) rn ..-i n d l hE! H o '-1 ':; u I.•J h d i·.: I: l1 ('! h o n . g e n '\: 1t:! 111 a n i ~., a 5 k ·.1. n g rn e !. n c:l (J ' r· h C! N (,'IAi f () l I II d., ( l n cJ p r· 0 c (! s 50 i" s and t h c-:! r t=! p r· e s E• n 1.: at. 1 v e s of I_ hE· Japanese importers negotiaLecl a contract for 1988 of approxirndtE!ly 30,000 tons tAri.l..h d cormnt'L.rnen 1: fr·o1n the Japanese that if production For 1:. he ·L r· rna r· k e 1:. IAJa s h c'•1 d I~ o l h a t: amount then they JAJou1d cor111T1i t t.:o t.c1ke a 1n ~i.rdmurn of 25,000 l:.ons in 1 9 8 9 .

That i s the F i I" s l: t.:l n IE' L-1!1'' have C'!Vt'!r' had l:.h;·~t l.ong--lel'"lll corrmdtmE!nt Frorn \:he JapanesE:•. Now, IAJc,: cH'E:! al.l for·, and we IAJill. facjlitate, the filling of other market opportun'.ities, whether thosE! market opportuni t:Les are in Tai.I;.Jan, lh(:' Sov ·i.et Un oi.o n, China or whE!rever. We w~n ·1 fad li tate thE! 0 p E! n ·j 1'1 9 0 f !: h e C d p l 'i n f ~i. ~; h C' r· y t 0 facilitate other market opport:.un'i_f·.tE~S. b11l·. IAJhal.· IAJ('! IAI.-i.lJ. not do, Mr. Speaker·, is facili tat:E! Lhe opE!ning or thE!

Ci'lpl "i.n F"ishel"Y to glut thE' mar· k e t in Japan f Ol" i: h e s h o r l t C:! r· rn , i. n 1 9 il 8 , tAJ i 1:: h L h (:' possibility that they will ·not h on o u I" 1:. he i. r· co mrn 'i. l:rn P n t l.·. o us for· 1989. We will open the caplin F:ishE~r·y <'\Ft:(H' ·i.l: closes dOIAJI'l ·.if there are other market o p p o r ·t.: 1 1 n j_ t i. e ~; a tJ <~ :i. J. d b l. e -L n o t.: h (! r· count.riE!S, for pc,,t. Food, for· zoo F o o d , o r· c\ q u a c 1 1 l. 1-tH' e F o o d i. n China, in Hong Kong, in 'Ta:iiAJarl, or· No. 66 (Aftprnoon) r~3'731

anytAJhelne, but Japan is closing at 30,000 tons. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hedin, hear! Mf~. W. CARTFR: A supplE!I'rH~n i~Clry, /l-1r. :;)pC:!c'tk<o'r. Ml\. ~3PFAi<Ef~: A supplernen'Lcli"Y, t:hE! rn U llli:H'! r' ·f' 0 r' r1.1.1oi J.l. ·i. 1'1 9 d 1. E! . ~30MF.: l-ION. MFMBFF~S: Heal", hE!iH'! Mf~. W. CARTER: han. the r"l r· . ~:; p E! a k e r' , in 1:: h e p r· <o~ a 1 n b l. e to 1 n y quest] on I made rPferE!net'! to thE• quota <:·lnd I also st:r·essC'!t:l l:hC'! importance of stay:ing within that quota. Unless existing quotas are available then close thE! fishery. Mr.

Speaker, the inforrnat:ion I have j.s that there are additional markets for capJ.J.n. MR. SPFAI<ER: Or·cler, pl.ei'l~>c'!! MR. ~\1. CArnEr~: My question to the mil1'istE!In: c-i.IJE!n l.:he fc'lCL, r'lr'.

SpE~db~r·, Uk\t thE!Ine appc,~c'lrs to be othE:!In rna1nkets, g -i. v C:! n 1~. h e f d c '1.: 1.: h ;q ~: 1: h c,' J Cl p <'l n E! s e haVE:' E?.Xpl"f:!SSE:'d an :intelnf:'SL in ctcqll'i.r·ing capl-i.n OV(;!r' dnd f'tbov<?. the agreed on quoLa, given all l.:he:~se fe1cLs, Task l.:h<:! lfl"i.nist.<=!r, agc:lin, would hE! talk to his Federal counterpart with a view to having the season extended, thereby filling the markets that are alleged to be there for additional caplin? MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the MinistE!r' of Fisheries. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr.

Speaker, there fancy words tn a r'E! s ornE· I·.: he VE!I"Y hon. 1.3732 June 30, 1988 Vol XI gE!ntlernan' s questJ.on, sorne VE!ry fancy words in the hon. gentleman's question! Mr. Speaker, the first part of the hon. gentleman1s qUE!Stion :is that Jdpdl'l(;~sr:• b11yr:!r·~; ~;L'i.ll. IAJdnl': l::o buy and IAJi.J.l tAJP faciJ.Jt:at.e that. I h·'·11JC·~ ~;did, Ci'\'L:egol"-i.cdll.y, no, IAlt='! 1.1.JiJ.J. not faciJ.itatE• that. We hauo i'1n i'lgr'(~l,~lrtf''rl 1':. bettAJet:!n l:hE:!

JapdneSE! importers and tho Nowfoundland PI"Ocessor·~; c:ti:. 30,000 l·.c)nS, and baSE!d on l::hat UtE•y haUE! g:iuE!I'l us a COifll'rl.'i.l-.lnc:!nl: ol 2ri,OOO l.cll'lS I'UI" 1989, an agrE!errJE!nt tAH'! nt=:•uel" had before in our history, Mr. SpE•akE!r. That is stab:i1] l:y and I do nol~. 'intr'!l'ld t:o jt==!opal"cl·iz,::• that:. stability. That is double, by the 1.1.1ay, tJJhal: tAlE! had lasl:. yc'•iH', com:inq off the madness of 1986, so T do not intend to jeopardize that. Now, the other part of the hon. gentJ.ernan's question is sensible.

If there arE! othC:'r rnal"ket oppor·tun'i. t·i.<~s, after· Lhe JdpaneSE! production and quota and contl"acts hdVC'! been 'fill f'!d r'lt 30,000 t·:ons, J.f thE!re ar·e o'Lhe1" oppol"tun::i.t.:ie~;, i:\nd r llnclc'!r'~;l .. c:·1nd l··.hr:•r''' ar··t=· oLh('•r opporLun:i,t:ies in Tait.~.Jan and maybe C h i. n i:1 <:t n d :; o rn (;! o 1·. h <:! r· places for· aquaculture food, pE:~t food, ancl so on, i.hf~n f:~l.!f~r·y 1-Lu"i.ng mar·kr:•t oppor·tunity should bE• fillE~cl, but IAJ e C <'l n 1'1 0 t C I I L 0 F f' 0 I I F' 1'1 0 S ('! 1:. 0 spite ou1~ face in JapCln, IAJh:lch is ~; 1:: ·i J l.

L: he rn o s t. i 111 p o r· 1'·. i:'t n 1··. 1 n a r· k e L opportunity that we haue. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hc~ar', hE:~ar! MR. W. CARTER: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: A final supplementary, the hon. the member for TwiJlingate. MR. W. CARTER: Mr. Speaker, rny fancy words are n<'!C('!SSdry I.•.JhC:?.n you dre dealing No. 66 (Afternoon) R3732

u.li 1: 11 a m i n i s t e:~ r a n d d g o v E:~ ·r nrn e n 1: so anxious to bA.Jist and distor·t, as i:hc"! mi.ni.si:E!r' endPavor·ed to do with respect to my first question . MR. SPEAKER: Or·clc->.r, pl{;!ase! MR. W. CART"ER: Mr. SpE!akE:~r, would thP rn:in:iste1n then tell the House what in:Lt:iatives he has tc:~ken ].n rE!Cent days to discoupr or to identify new markets, forgetting the Japant"'SE~ lrlc~r·kel:s, -Ln Ch ·i.nd or· Tcdt.~Jc.Hl or· Hong Kong, and tA.Jhat has he done <:~bout finding nr ,~t.~J lllclrkE!I :s t.~JI·rer·~~ !~he Fishl"I"ITien can SE·Jl the:ir cap1tn Lhis year? MR . SPFAI<F'I~: The hon. Lh e Minister oF Fisheries . MR. RIOF::OUT: To the hon . ge:'ntlernan's

preamble, I.: he rnds Lc:•r' oF bA.Ji .s l.::i.ng dnd d".is"t.or--tion :is OUC"!Y' thE!Ine, Mr·. Sp(>.d!<et~. T t1l(·1S r"eplylng l.o the,, VE!r~y rd.clo! t.uor·ds, WiJ.l you 1E:d_ Jdpan buy d J.:i. t l·:.le b-i 1:. rnot"C"! because thE!rE:~ cH'E! JapanE!SE' buyers out there saying they can take more, and there are Newfoundland f i s her· rn CcHl who t.~o.li.ll s E' 1. 1 to !·.:he rn? Mr. Speaker, that is a recipe for disaster. The Japanese buyers tArilJ buy untLI. t.~o.Je shut them clown.

T h e J a p a n E~ s e I m p o r· L:r'! r· s A s s o c i Ed .·. i o n knou.J thE>y 1.1.dlJ do that, and that: is u.Jhy l·:hey t.~o.Jctnl: thE! GOVl~r·ntJJeni"". oF Newfoundland and the Government of Canada to conl::ro1 pr·oduct·.i .on for· that uc:..r·y delicate JapaneSE! lrli.H'I<r.:~t.. I h~'lv<~ satd to l·:he hon. gentleman that ther'E! are o'!:hE!r Jn;:~rkE!l opporl:uni.t:i.es. We IJ.i-Ll.J. c]osr:~ down the capl:in fjshery l.I.JhE!n 1:: h e J d p <:·1 n E'! s r:~ p r· o d 1 1 c I: :i. o n h r.t !; b e e n mPi.. . WE:! will opc->.n jt up again for ol.:hE!r rnc:1r·kc:=!t: oppor·l·:1tnit..ies ·1~he1i·.

I know ex:ist, Lhal:: t.~Je haVE! bE:'Cc'n tA.Jo r k "i. n g on , t h a 1: other· p r' o c: f):; so r· s j n t:. h :is PI'' o vi n c e:~ have beE' n tA.Jo r· king 1.3 7 3 3 June 30, 198B Vol. XL on, and th<'!r'e ar·e probably sr:wc·H'a1 thousand tons morE:~ of caplin thar: cdn b<"! t.c:li<E!n.

But what WE! have to ensure is that they go to the r· ·i. g h t p 1 a c e , n o 1:. f ·i n d a b a c k d o o r , through Tait.~.Jan, perhaps, and ]nto Jap<.u1 for · a no UHcH' 5, 000 or· 6, 000 tons, which tA.Jil.l koi]J us next yecH', not Find a bacl<cloor· through Hong Kong OJ" j nto Japan, whj c h lAJ :i. ll. k -i. 1 l u s n r=! >( 1.: y Par' . WE! t~J j l 1 open it up for other confirmed rndr'kc'•l:: oppot·l".:trn :i.t ir•s u.JI1Hr'e l:.hur"E! are guarantees existing that the capl"i.n IAJ'ill. nol:. gr:•l:. ·inl·.o Japan and crucify us in 1989. SOME HON. MEMBERS : 1·1 c~ <:·1 r' , h C! d r' ! Mf~.

SPFAJ<Er~ : T h E! h o n . L h E! 1 no rn b t! r· f o r· P o r t: d l~! Gra'IJ e . MR. FFFORD: fl'l<"nk yo11, Mr·. Sp~:H:1ker. Mr. l:o Sp( ~d ker ··, 1f'ly LhC'! Mj n:.LstE!r' q1res I· .i.un is or FishE•tn:iE!";. a l :; o I haV e! l.:o c:1greE:! IAI'il ·:h the M·ir d sl:e r of FisheriE!S, he :is qu::i.le r:i.ghl Lo protr:~ct l:hc'! rnarket:s in Japan ..

And I u.Jould ask the minister, in l]ght of the fact that he had this caplJ.n study done last year ·, u.Jhi.ch, by l:h~~ tJ.Jay, ·i.s an excellE!nt study, is he at.vr.lrE• thaL mo::;L capl. in f-i.si"HH 'IIIC'! n -in and ar'Ol.HH.:l Conception Bay havE• not made much rnoney on cap1.1.n l:hi.s yE•<'lr', cluE~ l:.o the fact that the caplin season opened before they were ripe enough to process, and that "t.he lc:tl"9< '! seiner'!> br·o11ght: !::h-is capl"i.n in, and sold it to a fetAJ fish p 1. d r·1 1: s , w h ·i c h -i, ~; g o i. n 9 t o cl E! s t r' o y the caplin fishery for next year? MR .

SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Fisheries . MR. fUDE(H./T : M1n. SpeakE:~ I", indeed I ar11 at.~J<H'E:'. I 1\Jo. 66 (Afternoon) R3'733

was so much aware, Mr. Speaker, tha+:. I per·soni:·1lly took i.t. on myself to try to get the repres0nl:ative of the fishermen, JJJhjch :i~; the"~ union in this casE!, ctnd representcttives of the pi"OCE:~SSOI"S, IAJh:ich IAJOU]cl have bePn FANI_, f'lnd !::he Caplin Fxpoi"Le::r·s A~:soc:lettion lo agi"C"'i':' on a p e r· c E~ n +: <:'t g e r· r::. d f e C'! d .:··t n d ·I·. h e r· e r o r· E:! not: to f:i sh thr::. capl"in un'L:i.J that: p r:. r· c e n t .-:·1 g e r· e cl Fe u cl L\J <;1 ~; rn r:'t cl e . Unfol"tuncd .. E:!l.y, Ml". ~3pl"!dkE:'I", the p e o p !. C:! i n v o l. u u r! -j n 1". h e -L n r:lt 1 s 1.

I" y would not agree to set up that kind of ITIE:!Chd.ni.~:;Jn. MR. EFi-ORD: A suppJ.ementary, Mr. Speaker. 1'-11~. SPEAI<Ef~: A supplernentary. MR. EFFORD: Is it not the Pro,Jincial Minister of F-i s hertr::: s, i. n conj u n c t.ion IJJi th thE! Fedc~!ral MinistE!r' of FishedE•s (l'-1r. Si.ddon), IAJho put: LhE:' l"l'!gu1ations jn place sE•t thE! datE• IAJht:!n l:·.hE:· cdpl.·tn fjshE·r·y op~:·r1~; ;·:tncl c 1 o s e s ? 1-1 CliAJ c a n y o u b 1 an 1 E! :i L o n l: h C:! F i ~; h E:~ r· rn E! n ?

N i::t t u r· i.'l -1 l. y L h e fishE!rrnen, in desperation to earn money, r::tr'C:! go"i.ng t:o u11·ch l:hE! capl"in, but: you impose the r• r,: g ll l. c'l 1:. i. 0 n :; . '( 0 I I i;1 r (~! ~; I I p p 0 S (;, cJ t: 0 put the Jaw in pJace. r"l ~~ . ~:3 P F A K F R : Thee! hon. thE:~ M:i.nistel" of Fj sl'lE:'riE:~s. MR. RIDEOUT: The'! hon. gentleman shows an aby~;1nal. lack of i·:hc~ JrJdl'li:lgc,,rnE'!n!·: of fjsheries' policies in this Pr·ovincE?.. Tho fact. oF the'! rnat:·l··.er· is that seasons are opened at a particular· time. The capJ.in sr:~ason --I do not knotJ.J is JunE! 12 or June 20.

Something of that na t:ure j s LhE! normal. opE•ning t:imE:'. F:i.shC'!r'rnE:!n and pr·ocr::.ssor·s then agree when the caplin is ripe l..3734 June 30, 19BB Vol. XL •, for taking. Nobody has to go and t.:~kE~ -it on !::he di:'IY i 1:. opc~!l'lS. The caplin are not going to go aiAJay, thr:~y c'lr'e nol·.: go·"i.ng to d""i.sappt'~dl", they will be around for severaJ IAJf! C'! k ~; . ~,J h ,;, L h a~; f d .:L l. e d 1: o t.r·r.u1spirE!, Mr·.

SpE:'aker, j:; !:hat:. bo·i·.h ~; i.dE!~:; of l:.he i.ncl11~;tr·y havr,, fai1•dd to agJ"E•E! on a mechanism 1'1 C:! f .i. l'l""i. n 9 ~~JI·w n c .-:1 p 1 i n d ,, c:! r· r:! ,.,, d y 1·. u b c-:-h a I" v E~ s t E! d , a n d n 1=· :i t. h r:• r· ~; ::i. cl e IAJ c:-1 n ·1-. ~; 9 o tJ c:! r· n 1 n e n L I • o "i. rn FJ o s u t·. h <'t t reguJ.al::ion on them. They have not:. be(:•11 i:·1ble Lo d<::JI"C'C! \"'IIIIOI'l<J themselves on when it js appr·opr·ir'tl:·.e t:o do it:: c1ncl i)Jhdt:·. Lhe percentage of reel feed is.

And c;! u en 1: h o 1.19 h I pH r· so l'l c11 1 y t:·.1" j r:• cl on a Sat:ur·day af LE!r'noon L.o get: Uw111 t. o a g r· E:! <:! , 1-. h H y IAJ E'! r· e n o t. a b l.l:. 1:. o agree, Mr. Speaker. MR. EFFORD: A final supplementary. MR. SPEAKER: A fjna1 supplernPntary. MR. EFFOfW: l.r::.1·. rne SdY i··.u l·:he rJl·in-i.st··.er' of FishE!r':iE!S I have for·goU:Pn mor·e c::tboul·: I: hE! Ci::tpl-Ln r-i.s hei"Y Lhc::tn thF.• hon. the Minister of Fisheries tJ.J"i l. J. r:: !J e r k n 01~1 . SOMF HON. MFMRERS: Oh, oh! MR. ~:)p::~Ai<Ff~: 01"dE:OY', p1NISE!! MR.

EFFORD: Is thr:: Minister of FishE!I"ies s t.dnd-Lng afternoon in thts HousE~ l":hJs MR. PEACH: Put your table. fishing licence on the MR. EFFORD: I · go-t about 01"11':'. that, you and n u E:! cl I do 1\Jo. 66 ( (lft.E'·r·noon) not worry not mind R3734

adnritting .it. SOMF HON. MFMBFRS: Oh, oh! r"l R . S P E A K t: R : 0J"dEH', plE:~dSE!! MR. EFFORD: l.t=!t~ me ask thE:! Mi.n:i.sLPr of Fisheries is it not the responsibility oF Lhe Provincial Government in conjunction with the F ('!dE! r· a 1 go u E· r· n rn en l.: L c) "i. JrJ p o s E'! regulations so that the fishermen lAJi.lJ. be pr'OL(!Cl::<:!d, l.:hE! ~;iolifl(,~ lAJi'ly dS t.hE!Y rE!gulaLE! the sizE~ of boats, l.:h<'! ~;a1nP IAJ.-:ty l.:hey r'PgJJl.i'tl·:r::• l~h<:! lobsteJ" catch, U1e sanw tAJC\Y they r·eg1.Jl .c1l:e Sdl1110n Ci'lf·.ch?

Ts l.:hc'!L: IIOt: thP l"E!Spons:ib:iJ..il:.y of t.he Mtni.sLer· of Fi.she::!r'""LE':; c1nd l:he feder·al nd rd stE:'r? MR. ~3PFAKFI~ : The hon. the Minister of F:isher.ies . MR. IUDFOUT: M r· . S p E! d k e r·· , T c d n o n 1 y s d y L: o i: he hon. gE!n1.l<,'man Lhat unl :i.ke h:irn I do not pr·ofess l·.:o bu d self-proclaimed expert. I can onJ.y say l:o hi .m thdt i.l:. i.s so111e hard to be humble.

On the other hand I can say to the hon. gE!nl:1.E:'man that I do not knuu.J if he is in a conflict of interest or· not ask ·ing l:·.ho~;<:! qtt('!st ·i.ons about red feed content and all l. h a t k i n cl of s t·~ u f f . The 1.: h l r' d thing I will say to the han. gentll':'lrliHl is Lhat IAH'' ·i1npos~~ production controls on caplin c1. ft. e r cons u 1 t. d t i. on and cons<:~ n s Lrs with the fishermen, with the processors, and with the in1por·ters. Mr'.

Speal«,!r, IAJe haue gone a long t~ldiJ fr'Olll l:he chc:~o l:i.c d a y s of 1 9 8 6 J.ll h r::• n n o t: h :i n g l.ll a s i n pl.o:~ce, <'I long, long tAJdlf, .:-1nd rna:>/: reasonable people out there will i.~gr·ee l··.o l·.hr.ll:. WP IAJtll. c:l]So I 3 7 3:, JUnE! 30, 1988 Vol XI impose a regulation on red feed cont<o!nl .if ancl tAJh(:!n Lhe industry g(,~ts its own house in ordE!r ancl agrees with us on d percentage.

We are not going to shove something rlown thei.r Lhroat that the fishermen will crucify the gouer'niTH:'nt ·For on on<:• heHH.'I and that thE! processor's tAd 1] cruci.fy l:.he gov<'!r'lnrnen-1: . for· on t.h('! othor. We wtll do it IJJhen therE! :is consensus and afler appr·opr:LatE! consultal:ion, but tAli ll no t. do "i. l:. a r· b-L l: r' a r· i 1. y , SpE!akE!r . MR. I ONC: Mr· . ~3pei·l k e r·. Ml~. ~3PE~I<ER: ···-----·---·--····-·-- t h <:' l.\!E' ~~~ r· . T h E! h o n . t h ~:! n1 E! rr1 b E! 1~ f o r S l: . J o h n 1 s F. a~; 1-.. MR. LONG: Mr. Speaker, [ have ~ ~uestion today for· thE!

M:inister RE!SponsibJ E! f o r· T n 1:: E:! I" g o IJ e r· n 111 E:' n l:. d l. 11 f f d ·L r· s ( ~~ r· . Oawe) :in t:.l'lE! ab~:;enCE! of LhP f' t' l'HrrJ I'! I" . J:i: i, ~; I' II) i: l.1 l'lr' (! l <.-11: : (! cl l.:

C) r'<'·CE!nt f.lCL:l.on, Lak<,>rl, in fact, y <'! s L. e r· cl c:1 y , b y 1·: h ('! c i. l. y c u u n c ·i. l. o F St. John 1 s concern:ing :i l:.s potentictl relations as a municipaJity with the government of Soul·.:h Afr·icd, and an (,'xpr·~:!ss· .. i.on of i.ts own disagrE!E>lTlE!nt with the apartheid. I would l"i.ke to ask l~he Min.isLer of Inter·~JOUE!r'l'HliE:!nt:a] Affairs ts he awc:1re that this evening an off:icial representative, narnel.y the Consul from thE! South African Ernbr.,ssy in Ol:l: .dtAJet, IAlill be~ hav ·i.ng a illE!el: .J ng wi ·th a group of pri.vatE' cit.:i.ZE!ns j_ n S i: .

J o h n 1 ~; r-1 n d LIJ h E'! l.: h E! r· a n y r·epresr::~ntattves of t:his gover·nrn~~nt will be inuoJ.ued in this meeting? MR. SPEAI<FR: The hon. the Mini StE!r' of TntergoiJ( ;!r·nmeni:;~.l. ~FF1-1 :i,r·s. MR. DAWi:: : No. 66 ( Aft:E:~rnoon) R373S

Mr. Speaker I this anstAJE!r tAli 11 bE:~ relatively short compared to the ques ti.on. I wi 11. have t.o t.a k c,~ it under advisE!ment at the prSE!nt t"i.tnE!. T am not ctlAJcH'e of anyone from government who is officiallly ctllending that pctrticul.ar meeting. MR. L.ONC~ : A supp}enH:!l'li~<-..~ryl Mt", ~~pE!aket~. r·1R. ~)PFAKFR: rh~,~ hon . Fast. Ml~. LONG : l·:he tiiC.:!IIIber · for· , .. ,) ..... John'~; l IAJO ttl. d 1.i. k !::' L 0 c'\ ~; k I l1 U M"i. 1'1 'i. S 1-.

I'' i" of Tn-l"et"gcJvcc!t"nmt~ntc11 Affait"S a sttpp1 .ettwnt.dr·y Lhdl· .: ht:! 1nc:ty dl.~;o, pt:!t"l'tc\ps, take,~ undt:'r ' advisement, if hu clor-:!S not-. fC:'!C:'!l li.ke trtdk-i.ng i'l cotrllntHlt today with r·espE!Ct to the governtrtE!nt's position. In vi.cc!IAJ of the fact that this government some year·s ago banned the sale of South African wines and brandies in liquot" s1JJI''(~S, t.ui 11 LhE! rnin:ist.er give a commitment that the guvt'!r'nttH''nt IAJi11. cons ·i.ci~'!r' <::1ct.:ion sirn:ili.H' t:o that 'Laken by thE:' dty o·F St.

John's, i.n pi:\rticuJ.i'lr' to refusE:~ the:~ protocol office of this government, or a.ny mi.ni.ster·s <H' depar·trnE:~nt, to have any truck or tri'\dc,, t.uil:h off'i.c-Lc~l.s of tl"ll'! :3ottl-h Afr·ican gClvernrnc ,,nt tJJho may be c u 1 n i n 9 f r· o trt 1·: h e F t n b d s !> y or· IAJ h o r11:i~~ht b('! pt":ivatE'! t"E:!pt"esc,~nt:at:ivE!S fro1n :')c)llth :'lfr·j Cc:·l? MR. SPFAI<FR : r h E! h o n . 'i: h ~~ M-i. rd. ~; t t:! r· of Int<->.r·gover·nnH~nt :aJ. Affai r·s. MR . DAWE : Mr.

Speaker, I tAlilJ CE!rtain1y hctve to to.l<e thai: ttnciE!r ' c1dvismrlf~nt. dnd get back l::o the:' han . mc~rnber in due! coursE?.. MR. LONG: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker . L3 736 JunP 30, 1.9B8 Vo 1 X I. MR. SPF.:AKF.R: A final supplementary, the han . ~~he tnc~rnber for St. John's Fas L. MR. LONG: I U.lould J.ike to ask a fina1 s 1 1 p p l. E:! rn P n l i'll" y of I· h e M .i n .. i s 1-. E:! r· o 1· 7 FinanCE! (Mt".

W:indsor·), if I·H~ lAJou1d b H tAI"i.l J. i n g L·. o d d cit" e :; ~; ,;1 n -I, s ~:: 1.1 E:' which wou}d come under his j 11 i" ·i s cl i. c L ·.Lon to~l "i i·. h r' !'.' s p C:! c 1:: 1·.: o 1 ... h 'L s issue. My question wou1d b0 IAJhe ·l:her· i.h~:· r~:i.ni~; l.t.'!f' or F·i l'li:'li"'C(:! has in L:hc'• past, or· j~, cur·r·(=•nlly con:; i. cl e r' i n g 9 i \J i tty -j w; 1-. r· u cl. i on 1.: o the managers of the Province's "i. nVE!~;LntE!nL: Fttncl:::, ·in pdt"i ".'i.ct.tl.-'tl" the pooled pension funds, to u n s 11 r· e 1:: h d L: no L n v ~'! s \ ..

Ill n n 1·.: 1 no n i C:! s thr.lt b~=!long to t:hE'! govE•t"nt TlE:•nl:. and 1·:. h E:· p e! o p 1 <'! o F I· h i s F' r' o v i n c ,,, i;l r' ~! being invested in South African cor·porclti.ons? Mr. SpE~akc=!r, rny quc,;,st ·ion ·is t:o the Minister of Finance. Mf~. MORGAN : !·IE;! ciOE'!S noi:: hat.JC;! 1-.o clrl~)IAJer . MR. TULI<: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER : 1 recogn iLe the hon. for Fogo. SOME HON. MEMRFRS : 1·1 e ,~, r· , he <'It" ! MR. LONG: A po·ini: do not () r () r· d (:H' I 1'-1 r· . think Lhe t. h e trt F; rn b E! r' Spndker.

Minister I oF :c "i. n <'Inc 1,' h c,~ .:t t" rl i". h C'! q 11 r.~ s J~ i. on d s k <:! d of him? SOME HON. MEMBERS: He does not have to answer . MR. SPEAKER: Or·clc~r I please I An han. minister dOE!S not haVE! to 1\lo. 66 (Afb:n ·noo

n) R3736

am; WE:! r· a que c: ·U on j f he does Jj,J<::tnl ~ l:o do so. Tht' hon . l·.:h(:~ wc:unber · For· Fogo . rJJ R . T lJ L I< : Thi:t'L :is r·:ight, and he d:.i.d d n s IAJe r· "i. t . MR. SH.IJMS: Take ::it undco'r ad v j, s emE:· nt ansu.H>.r' lat.E!r on. MR. WINDSOR : not not and I thought he Minister of was talking to the Tnt:E:!I"qo~Jel"nnlr'!l'l l".:i:,,l Affairs. MR. TULK: Go clhe~d. Mf~. SPEAI<FR: The hon. Minister· of Finance . MR. WJNDSOR: T F he IJ.J•'II'l 1-.~; l:o r·c,~p~)d 1·.: J "1: T. IM-Lll t I" y -[: 0 a 1'1 S IAJ E~ r· . Mi~. ~3Pi·=:nKFf~: Thr~ hon . l-he Tllt:•rnbr:'l" fol" ~H... John 1 s Edst.

MR. LONG : Thank you, Mr·. SpeakE:'r. My question !Alas has the Min :i. s b-". r· of Fjnance or officials of his cJ epa r· t rn en t-·. j_ n 1·. he p a~; l~. g 'i v C'> n instructions to the managers o~ our pooled pension funds or any other investment funds to ensure that no lllOn:ies bc"long:ing l:o l:.hE~ people of this Province jnvested abr -oad ar·e inveslE!d in Sot1t.h African corporations? MR. SPFAKFR: fh(:' hon. t.he M"i.ni.st·.c~r oF Fi.ni'\I"IC:Co~ . MR. WI:NOSOR: No, Mt".

SpPai<E:~I", I hi'lVE! not g:i.vc'•n c\ rl y S I I C h i. tl S i··. r 1.1 C l j_ 0 l'l S • W lo' h o'llJ (-) i:\ FulJ cornrn:lti-..E!f:! of pr·ofess:lonals 1.3737 Jun~~ 30, 19BB Vol XI who are mandated to deal tAJith otH' fl E!l"l S .i 0 n :i. n IJ tO! S 1-:ifll'::' I'll: f II rHL d n d cl 0 so, and r<~port fi"Orrt ttm~=! to l:.:irne. T d<.111bl: lJt!t''J rn11c:h 1-:hctt they have invesb:1d in any South African cornp.:~nir:1S. [ IAJ·i.l.l. look ·inl::o ·i_J ·:. and wiJl take it under advisement. MR. SPEAKER: f"i'w hon. i::i'W lriC~Ili~H'!r for fogo. MR. TULI<: Mr.

SpeakE!r, I have a quE>st.i.on for· 1 .. h f:' M i n i. s 1· r:! r· o F F 'L ~' 11 r-:! r· ·oi e \; d 1·1 d i l relates to a questjon thcil he jusl a n s 1.1-.1 f'! r· e d r~ o r· L 11 r'! 111 e 1 n b r-:· r· f o r· Twil1ingate. Ho said, and lo\JC ' d g I"(' E' IAJ -j l.: h h i. trl , 1: h d [·.: 1;1 i. L h 1.. h c;! Jap<HtE•SE! markets you should ITIPeL your· q11ol·a~; and sl:op. 811! ~ hi '' al! =;o made t:he statE•rnent thal: h(• IJ.J:i .l.J bE• all.olAJ-i.ng f-:i.sJ·wr·1nen, hopeFt.tlly, l:o access some othE!r markets . Out of conCE!t'n for· 1-:hoSE!

F-i_~;her·lnc,~n IJ..Jho rE:~ach their quo~a at rn:idnight, I o::t:>k J·l"i.ltl t~Jhe::!n ,.~,r:i.lJ. l:i·lc!y be ;~bl.r::! l··.o a c c Co~ s s those market :~: t. h ::L s y e d I"? L·,J"i.l.l. i I l:w i:orrHH'r·ut~.J, i·tAIO IAil'!C'!kS, or· d llton1·.h' s H .rnr~? MR. SPEnKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries . MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speai<E!r, aft:er· il: hc"'S l:wf:•n determined thdt the Japanese production has been reached and l·.hf! f.i! ;h(=! r'y is i··hen closf:•d dotJ.Jn, then procE!SSors u.Jho haV(! confirrnud conl ::r·acl:s.

And l:hE!T'C'! ar·e i:~ nu1nber · of ·them, somE! u.Jho haVE! confjr·rned contr·acr.s IAJ:i.L: h ra:it.~-.Jdn and sornc;! 1.~-.Jho have confirmed contracts for pet f o o rl , a n d s orne IJ.J h o h t:-t v e c on f :i r m E• d contracts for aquaculture food - I understclnd there o:1re some market potential wi t.h contracts bEd ng put "in place for· Clri na. BcH'r'y 1 s ou l~. in Cornet" Bl"ook, for exampJ.e, arE! sdy-:i .ng i:hd1: l:hey hi :\ve add:il ·.·.:.i.onal conftrmed contracts for male c a p J :i. n o n l y IAJ i i. 11 I: h t:! ~~ o u ·i H 1:. U n -i_ o n so once Lh~=!

Japc.~nesr:' Pl"oducl:::Lon 1\Jo. 66 cAr ll,,r·noon) R3'/3'7

is ouel" and out of the way, Mr. Speaker, the Caplin Mangement Committee will then make a decision on what additional tonnage can be permitted to be caught for those addition~l contracts that are Jn place and ar-e lt:!git·'i.m~t·f:e, and t.hE=! f'i.sht'!r·y 1.ui J l t:.he:>r1 be aJ JotAJed t.o r·eopen. B u 1-. lAJO h d v e r. o tnd k t:~ suI" E~ '1 s 1·. hal:. IAJE~ do no'!-i:-!1] (.JJ.~J a l"eopening to gt:!t. Cr\pl·i.n 1·.h1"0t1gh l·.he bdckcloor· ·inLo Jdpdll. Mf~. TULI<: i·lcn~J long do yotl li'Li.nk 'i 1-. IAJi.ll. 1·.dlu!? Ml~.

IHDFOI.Jr: T tl·t:ink ::i.l ::i.s on]y a ITJatl.:er of a cl c.'t y or· I:·.,,JO , r· u c::~ ·11 y . [ HH'' •Ul , Federal Fisheries are on Lop of t h i s IAI i t h o 1 1 r· d e p d r· t 111 e n l: . I n ' fact, the:~rc:~ is a call here that c a 111 e .i n s :i n c e Q u e s t. i. o n P E! r· to d for rnE! to caJ.l the Federal MinistE!In, I~Jho 1..uanl::s t.o l~dl.k

h) HIE~ about caplin. Obvtously, thE! cap] in arE! no 1·: go 'i. n g 1·: o ~; t a y a r· o 1.1 n d for l'! v E:. r· , a n d :i f r i ~' h E! r· rn E:! n a I" E' g o i n g L o t: a k e dduanl-.dgE:! oF i'l.ny add·il'.·.:i.onal. llldl"ket oppor·tun:ity thE•y 1Aiil1 have to get c r a c k i n g . I 1 n c,, a n , 1..u h a t. IAJ.e IAJ d n l: ·t. o achieve here is make sure we do not j EWfHH'<Li.ze l:ht~! mar·ket i.n J<:~pan, get that OVE!r IAJith, 9E!t it cJ.osod, g(=!L it. bPh-Lncl us, and thc~n OfJPI'l Up dga:i.n rOl" l..Uhateuer elSE" 11\'i.gh 1·. bE:~ c\VdJ l.clbl E'!, MR. l..l.J~)il: Ml". Spf·•CikE:!l".

MR. ~iPI'-AI<F f~: nw hon. I:. hE! lllE!l/lb(:~r· For· noni.-\1) i ~; i:i:\ Nol"t h. MR. LUSH: Mr·. SpE:~akE:!r', lfiiJ qt.IE:!s·I·:-Lon .i~; For· the,~ Mtnistol~ of Fishe1nies and it "i.s ·in r·e:'l.ati.on to l:he much t.;:~l.kE=!d about lcttE• SpJ"ing stor·rn 1..uhich r· <'!sui. L ('' d 'i. n ex 1:. E'! n s .i. v E'' d a flli.'l g C:! to f:i.sh:ing gei:lr on the NorthE!ast L373 B June 30, 19BB Vol XL Coast. Is the:~ rnini.st.er aiAJarE• of Fish(~!r'rnf'!l'l 1 s d'.i.scontE!nt.: and djssatisfaction and tota] frustral".:lon wit.h assessment leveJ.s and procedures employed by both lE•vE=!Is of gover·nrn(~!nt?

T.s thE! minister aware that: up to thJs po-L n t: i. n '1':. ·L1rw F i. ~; 1·1 E:! r'ITH'' n a r t:• totally confused and uncertain IAJ .. il:h r·r::.spc~cl: i:o conlpensdl:"i.on For· their lost gear, lobster poLs, cocll:r'dp~; dllcl l111np l'lC:!l·.:s? ~)o cdn thP n1::intstE~I" aclciJ"E'~'o; L.hcsE• l:i;_JO ·j I I'! Hl ~; ~; p r· (: ·i F :i c d -1 -1 y L\1 i i ·. h I" e s p t'! c 1··. to the a~;~)E''SSlTIE''I1l:.S and \AJJLh I"E"~;pE!Cl.. I· o corn p t:=! n ~:; ;,, l.: i on i h"' I: F i s h f:! I" 1 n c=· n rn:j 9 h t E' X p E! C t l:. 0 I" PCP :i.

V E:! r Cil" l h (' i r· l 0 ~; L y !::' ,,.l r' ~; c'l s ,., I" C! s 11-l I () f t ll j ·=~ ~; Lol"rn clarnage? MR. RIDFOUT: Mr. Spedker. MR. SPEAKER: --·--·-----;1 The han. tHe Minister of Fjsheries. MR. RIDEOUT: Mr·.· ~3pE)i'lkHr', 1 th.:tnk l:hc'• hon. g E! n t 1 e rna n f Ol" h :i. s quE's t i on . 1 1-. h :i. n k IAJ ('! had q u f'! s 1--i. on s on l:. h :i. s parttcu]ar matLer in Lhe House SOJn(.;! r.-LmE:! ago. I c<umo·l~ speak for fE•deral assessments, I do nol knolAJ IAJhdt k i.nd of asSE'!SSnlenl:.s IAJE:·r·r=• clone by the Federal Department of F-[.sher· i.es and IAJho d·i.cl Lhe1n.

I can speak for tho Provincial Dep•u··l:nlHni'. or:-l:i·;ht:!r'·ie~;. <'lrld I)J(;! d:id a contrnun:ity by cornntun:it:.y; ::· ·i ~; h P nrlt''l1 1 :; C:Ollllll i. I L <) !::' by F::i.shE~l"rnen' s Comm:i LLE•E! as~=;E!SSITIE:!nt. or 1:.' tJ t·:• r• y co l'lllTlll rLi i· y C1 ·1 on g 1: h !'> Nol"theas"l: Coast: l·:.hc~t r'E''POI"LE:!cl :; Lnnn d~:nrk~yc•, ·in I:.I'H'! hon. gC:'lTtlmnf.Hl1S ar·ed, in thE! Fo~JO dr'Ui'l, i.n lrlY OlAin i.H'C!d, dnd l:hOSE! .I J 'l J f' Jd tJE:~ca:l. E'(J "le. asSE!SSmenLs as fl r· o tJ :i. cl C:'! d 1-. o u ~; b y -i. n d -i. v i. clu a l. Fi.shermen and as provided to us by thE!

C h c'l'i. rlllt'Hl of F 'is l·w r· men 1 s Committees show conclusively and beyonrl a doubt that while the storm damage was signiftcant it No. 66 ( rt f +: E:! r· n o o

n) R3738

JJJL-ls not of the~! proportions Lhat hdd bl:'!t'!tl dnt·ic-i.p<:-ll ··.ed i:lnd +·.HJ.kc~~cl about a few days following the st-:orrn d,un,::~ge i.l:seJ.f. Th;,ll: -i_~; po:i n+. nur11ber· o nE:1 . Po i. r 1 I: n 1.11 n be r' l:·.1 ,J o , r-1 r· . S pH ,., k 1:'! r· , i. ~; thcd: most of thE! de:unagt::' was confined to ~wo pi .eces of hdJ"VE~s L:i ng equj_p1T1ent., E:~i thr:'r l. o b s 1: e r· p o l:: s o r· l u 111 p , .• cH' n !::>1:. s . ~~ r::• havE• d pr·ogr·arn of J"eplacE!TTJen+. : and a s s .i. s !-:.a n c e f o r· r· t:! p l a c ·i. n g l o b s 1:. e r· pots Lo Fishermen.

Most of the fi.sh<·>.r'lfiE:Hl d-icl not dvai .1 of Lhdl-. par·ticular pr ·o graru For· a coupJe of r·c;!asons, on<:!, a. l.o-1:. or: · F·i.shet'Jnen make sure that they have a few E!X 1-.r·a po t:s i.n UH~' :-Jpr· i.n g <HIY''Jay rather than coming into the goVl"!r'niTll"•nl:. bank uJh~:!r'C"! l··.hE!Y hdve l··.o pay $7 . And SE!Condly, of course, t:he lobster S(~dson IAJas str:u·ti.ng 1-.o gPfH' down and there was rnor'<-:> concentrMtion on capli.n. Tn 1-:.!::H'In:; of l.u1np r·oc~', IAJE! do not h d V E'! d p I" 0 9 I" d ITI f 0 I" I" ('! p ] d C E:! rTI P n t. 0 f l.

II HIP r 1H1 n E! 1-.;; . t 1: i. :; cl 11 e t· y cliffjcult- Lhing to gHt· :inLo b C! C d I I S ~~ l1 I J"ll p I"

I) H 1"1 !;:! 1·. ~; d t' I'! 1'1 0 r"'l fl<-1 -j l y set Jn VE:H'Y sl·ldJ.]tliAI JJJatPJ" nnd, -.i:F tht'H't~ :i.s HIIICh Of <::1 ~H't'~~L!:.~ t'li: i~l.l, jt is qu:i.t.:e cornrnon to Jose Jump r'<H'! not:;. T <~rn Sllt'e LhP hon. gantJ E:~rnctn undpr·stands that. f:·or· cocll~r·ap pdr·i··s lAIC'! hdue replacement program. Gillnet.:s, l:hc:n·e IAH'!r'e VEH'Y fetAJ gi .J.l.nE!'I-.s lost, by the JJJay, according thE• surveys, but I..L.IE! cl 0 ha U E~ 500 rJ(~ t.

S and IAIE! have -.invit.:E!d fishermen who are in nE:~ed of them l:o J.(~t our· fic->.lcl officers knol!.J and we wilJ. attE!mpt to dist.r·ibutE:~ l::hetn as fa.i.r·l.y and as best we can.

So that is thE• :i.nfor·rnaU.on IAJe h a u e , M r . :') p e d k <:'r' : W lri J.E:~ t h E~ Jossas were signifJcant and we hdVE:' Sl)lllE~ pr·ogr'dlll~; i:.o addr·~:!SS i:hE:!rll, l .. hE:• sign:iFicanCE! of Lhe Joss U739 .JIJne 10, l9BH lJol XI. was not as grE!at. as held orig:i.naJ.ly h i:l d be ~~ n 1: ''' 1. k ,,) d '-" b o 11 l: 1-. h "" f i r· s -t two or three days or the first IAH~!:.~k fol}OIAJ:i.ng the:~ clallld91:' . MR. L l.ISH: Mr· . :)~H:!i:lb'!r. Ml~ . SPEAKER: A supplelnE!nl:.aJ"Y, thE! hon. l::l·lE! 111811lbc:•J'' for· flondv··i s h:l ~-lor" Lh. Ml~. I..U~:)ll: Mr.

SpE!aker, I askE·d the 1nin:isl ·J·r i. s h e <:·1 r.u a r· <"' 1-h a 1:: i_ h :'! r· 1;• i't s o n tAJ h y t:hE! r·ep]acE•ITient program lAJac, not .. d V c\ "i. l t'! cl 0 F l.·. 0 I: hE~ 1·:! X 1·.

t) n t. t. h a l:. h (! IAJOt.dd have thought j S becaUSe:• Or l.:h(,:! i·:rt-'!l"llenc:lous F.inancidl. pl.i•3ht that LhHse Fishermen FJncl t h f'! lfl S C" l V H S , r-1 r· . ~) p P r'l k H r . r h r;! y lost gear· IAJhlch thE!y wE•r'E! paying for' l~hi .s yei:lr', and tAJhen you combine this IAJith prE!Vious "i.ndebl ·:c:1dness l··.hE•y could not dffor·d to take on any other extra r:-oi. n d n c oi ,:q 1 0 b J ··i, g d L: ·i 0 n ~; ' b (' 1·. I· I <:· y lal"gE:! or · ~;n1aJJ.. I~; t:he 111:-inoisl::E·r· ··li~J.-\l"f.! or 1 hi:;? MR. RIDEOUT: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER: The hon. the Mini;;Ler of Fisheries. MR.

RIDEOUT: M- ' ,, . , . I . ' l" . . ...... , t I· . ·I·· •• r . . l 1-H:. c:1 ,( f:' r , . d I II d lA Jell t:. _ l '~ .. lll the case of lump fish nets that is i'1 Fact:.. l'-1any of the f·i.sht;!r'lnen JAiho l o s t J. u m p f j_ s h n E! t s h a d t h E! r11 t h r· o u g h s o rn E:! k -L n d o F d f ·i n a n c i. <"-11 arrangement with a suppJier or the f .i. s h FH' o c e s ~; o t' <H' tAl h a ·1-. E:' v e r .

A n d as I said quitE• frankly upfr·ont, IAJ<~ do no-f-. hdvl~ a pr·ogr·arn t.o respond to the loss of lump fish ne 1-.:s. l·lmo~Jevc:~r·, ·.tn l:E!r'IIIS of lobster pots and codtrap parts and 1: he C:! x pEn··i Jlle n 1-:c:ll g ·i.l.l. rH:1 t p r·o g r· <:·lin that thE! dE•partJTIE!rl t opE!ra t.es , ·UIE'n .-i l~ IAJi:'l~; Ct'!l"l:r,d nl.y lliddE! cl.edr· l~o Fishel"rTIE:!n Lhat:. if they IAJant:ecl t.o i\Jo . () () ( f'l f t {:! r· n o n

n) R3'739

avail of that program that the dt:!pCit't:Jn(~l'lt IAJOUld be VE!t'Y fl(->.Xoi.bl(~ tn making sure that there was a way found for them to avail of the p r· o g r· a rn , (O!V (,Hl 1·.: h o u g h o u r· guidE!J.inE!S suggest that: lAJe IAJant to g(;!L l:.h(:~ rnon(,'Y upFr·ont. But ·-Lt IAJds cer·t:.ainly madE! knoiAJrl to fish(:~Y'ITIE!n r.hat IAJE! IAJOUl.cl be fJex..Lbl.E! 'i,n \::hat approach tAri t:h ·thE!m if they lAJantE·d Lo <ot v i'li 1 of t: hose pr·o g Y'dlfiS . 1-1 0 IAH) I) (;! r• , '[ ~;; U S p (! C i·: I·· h i:1 ~~ 1·: h r:• y 9 () 'i ·. :in·lo thE:!

Ci:!pJ"in dfl:.()l~ t·.hat and llld y b t~ ~=; C:llilt' u f t h ~:Hn rrri g h l". b H !:1 c.'l c k c-.~f'i"PI" l".h(:! Cdp]Jn :is ovE~I", I do nol~ ki"IOI~I. ll11l. i.n ·i·_~;-)J"iil!) of lliJllfl fL;h ,., E~ t ~~ , t··l1 (! l1 o "' . g E! n i" 1 (~ ITJa n ::i s ( 0 r t' t! C l. . ~-J 0 cl 0 I I b ·i: I fkHl y 0 f 1·. h 0 !) E! IAJC!I"(-' puJ'·chetsecl und(·'l" f"inanc:iaJ dr-·r·e~ngHIII('!llL!; Ol .. IL!;·icle IAJi.l:h .locr:-11 people, ctnd 1 qu:i te fl~ankJ y adrnJ t U1d 1.: IAH:~ do no 1: h<'liH~ "' pr·ogt'diTI i·.o heJp that out. MR. LUSH: () f i. n <:1 l s u p p 1 C:! IIIP n b:H' y . MR.

SPFAKFr~: Ol"der, please! The time for Oral Questjons has elapsed. Notices of Motion MR. WINDSOR: Mr. Speaker. MR. ~~p[(.)I<F.I~: r h E! h 0 n . ·1·. h E! r'l j_ n ""i. :_; i·. e r· () F ::· i. n ;_., n c t:! . r"' r~ . ll.JT 1\JD :J o R : Ml". ::;pc->.aker·, I gjvE:• not:ic(->. +.hat I I~ I ·j ll. 0 J"l 1: OlflO Y"T OIAJ 1110 I)(:~ "i.: h i:l 1: i: he House~ l"esoJ Vf:! i l:.self j nto a Coilnn-i U:e~' of the L-JholJ! on ::)upp"l.y t.o consider cer"l:cdn l"esolu-L::i.ons For· Lhe gr·;,,ni·::ing of rur·i·h('!r' SuppJeniE:!I'IhH'Y Supply Lo Her· Mdj(;!sLy.

L3740 JunE! 30, 1988 Vol XL Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given DR. COLI INS: Mr. Speaker MR. SPEAKER: T h c->. h on . L h rc! M ·i. n "L s i·: r-~ r· u F l·l E:! d l. l:: h , Of~. COLLINS: Mr. SpE!akE!I~, I took not.:icP of a q 1.1 c;• ~; i ·i o n <·1 s k n r I b y I: i"1 t:! l1 o i'l . i:·. he rn r:~ n1 be 1~ For' Po r· l:: d e C I" a v r:• y E:· ·:; l:. e I" cl d y ·in r·C::•g;:n·cl

h) rood ~;el''l)""i u:·~:; di~ 1:1"11'' CE>nl·:l~aJ. N(,•tAJfouncllancl l·lospj l.dJ. Al l h."! i: ·i·. i i"!JH , j J'l i'-. r:• !; p 0 J'H_I·i II q !" .ii·Jdicated T t.hou~Jht h:i.~; pdr't.icu]al" q11r·:!r'y jl/!;1: 1-'JOIJ.IJI noi: hold 11p l.u investigation, but I did say 1 I~JUJIJ.d look "i.nl".o i_l: dnd l""hi:d: hd:; turned out to be the case. The fact of the matter j s, :in DeCE!JTlbt!t' o·i7 l.c.'lst y(:!i'll'' -1-:hc'!

DepartiTIE!nt of Health u.Jas infor·rnE!cl l·:hdt bHCdi.I~)C! oF rPI"lOVdt'i.ons, !.:hOI"(,' t.uouJ.cl be a pr·obJ.E!rn i.r1 I~E:!~1ar·cls Lo 1·: h H u s e o F k i. 1:". c h e n Fa c ·i l. ·i 1". ·i. r:! s o u l:. t l·w r E! . At thE! t j nw , thE' I" E• IAJa :,; no L a par' t -L c 1.1l d r' pet's on on s I· a(" f a 1:. the hospita1 u.1ho would takE! Ud.s on Ln Cl knoiAJl.E~dg(~C\bl.(;• lAJi:lY. There were rnoVE!S made, and a Dir'E!Ctor of Di.etel~i.c !3(;!r·vices T ·l~hink !::hat is his title.

It might be a sl·lghtly diFFerent title, but, iHIYIAii::tY, that :is exactJ.y lAJhcd.. hj s j o b -i. !) • '""'' ~:~ i'1 p p o :.i n I n d T: 1:: h :.i. n k ".it lAJas j n E!drJ.y F(,'br·ual~y ·-and his p d r· t "i. c 1 1 J. a r· d n d f :i. I"!; I: t. r:-1 ~; k !AId s I: u soJ.ve this probJ.ern, and :it tAIG\S dOI'l!'.' by l:hal·. pi:\l"i···i 1;11] r'IY' pdr··-t-.·. o·F the adrn:inistl~at=Lon at: t.he hospi.l".i:1l. ~~J~) ;Js!;i.~;i:r'!cl, obvi.ousl.y, but it tAii'lS :in:i Liated and ccH'I":.i.(:'cl for·I~Jdt'cl by l:ht~ pt:!opl.u i'\l:: l·:he hosptti'-tJ.

NOIAJ' lhE! hon. mE~mbel~ has a <:;:iLly g r··i.l'l 01'1 h i. ~' f,,, C E! . l do not-. k J'JOIAJ if lhat means hE• ciOf:'S not b(;!]"ieve 1·: h·i_ !) ' bll i· [ i:-11[] just:·. tC::.ll. ·i.ng I·: he'! No. 66 (Afternoon) R3740

Fact.s. I do noi: l.i.c,, of AssE:~mb1y, I te]J HlP !·lousE:' oF ()sst-:!Hibl.y. :i. n t: h ~! i·_hE! liOI.ISE! facts :in ()nyt)Jdy, i·:hdi ·. p;u·l·. ·i.culc:H' ·.i nd :i. v ·.) d u r.~ J , IAJ'.i I~ h t hE! as s ·.i s l.: c! n c e of l.ht:' DepiH'l:iiiE:!rll- . of 1-il'•~l.Hl, flkl .dt: ~ ~; t I" E~ 1'1 U 0 U ~; fi'IO V ~:! S , L. (l C d J. pos :;:i.b·).l·j l:"i. r:'s I~Jt '!t 'H t:on·l:a c1:ucl, ~;11t:h a s C ctl" n 1 E·! l:i .

I P H o u s E• , t o s (! e :i f I hey coulcl ~;uppl .y oil ·, 1--.h1"t-t-:! or · l.:l1e I'JCI'I :loni-.!1 f:inn s l.tJho supply food to ho~;p ·i.l:·.dls I~J C'!t'e con1 :;·-\ c. l·.ud Vr!r':> i:\ ro ods d.nd Nova . I F01"9E! t t:he l'ldlTI C! oF t.h'i.r·d one ~. AnytAJdY, l::ht:!r·c:· IAJEH'I ,~ three who suppJ.y Food to ho s p 'L r·., ~·l~; . l'hey coul.cl nu l: 1nanage il:. Th E!Ine IAJdS an atl :ernpt rnadE• to r=- i. n d IAJ h a l:. ·i. s c G\ 1 J. ('! d a 1:-. r' u c k o r· f j e l d k ·i 1': c he n . T h C'! r' <"' lAid s non c,~ available in the Atlantic area .

They looked into setting up A tent kitchen, but that u.JouJ.d not pass hectlth regulations . It was considered whethe~ a temporary k "i_ t. C h (~ rl IAJO I il. d b (~ C 0 1'1 S 1·: t' U C t. H ci f 0 t' th:is PUI"pose, but. it IAJas clea1" C. h r'l l 1:: h i. s IAJ

I) u l cl n 0 1·. b l:' d b l . f.! 1·.: 0 b e ciOII P :ir1 i'.il"' dci(:!qUr.tl ·(:~ IAli:l'j j_n thE! l·imc ~ Fr'r 'liiiC! t.'llJdi :l.i-\bl.e. Corl'l :i-lc l: I•Jd~ > ntddc~ ' IAJt t.h ·li 'l(' Health ~3c.i. e nCE! S Co 111 pl. ex l·w r' 1::~ -i. n ~) 1·. . .J u h n 1 s , 1. o s ~:~ t-:! :if Hwy cou]d supply hosp:ital food SE!r'vi.ces, 1~1h'i.ch JAJOIIld .i.nt;oltJl :' fi"E:~E~ri ng foods, tl"i'lnspor·l ·::i ng l hE:~rn I)Ltl :, hdt ri.ng a hui:\l:·i .ng iHTi :Hlljl '!lllf ~nt:, i:ll'ld ~;0 CHI and :.0 fOI" ·[· h. ~3o U·wse tJer"J r::•x h:•ns ·i lJt,~ motJC:!S IAll'!t': :! TTii.'ldE:'.

Find1Jy, a corl'l.1nact IAIClS s u c c e s s F u l. l. y c o n c l. u d t:~ d IAI'i . 1: h r:\ F i. r· rn in GandE•r, Westons, Lo.Jho have uncl(!r··l~akE!I'l l::o supply l:hP Food. A:; I say, this was injtjated, but aJ.so agr'E~ed t.o, by all peopll~' concerned, the hospjtal, the Department. of H<:~al.th and i·.he supplier. We-:! havto! madt:~ specifi.c enqtri.r·-i.es, and to rny knotAJlE!dgE!, thE! food has buen very successfully suppl-i.ed, UH~rE~ havt'! b<:•en no d:ifficulties. I. 3 '/ LJ. 1. J 1.1 n e :J o , l 9 B a lJol. XI .

I T h E:' c\ d 111 i n i ~; t: t' r:\ 1:: j_ o n s ,., y l: h t'~ y d t' E! extremE:~ly happy t..~rlth the SE!rvice. I r:-\111 1'11)1 ~. sdy-i.ng 'Lhi'll ". PV ('~r ·yone i.n th e ho spita] likes the Food . J h d u t·:! n 1::! t; f! t' s I·] I'! 1' 1 r'\ !10 s p ·i. 1·: c\ l. y P t. , or, j nd c~!C'!d, I have I'IEW E!

In sHE! 1'1 r:l n ·i;J~;I :i.i:lti ·_i. tJI 'l yr'·i ·. '"lllt; !r· e (~IJI '!t 'yon e likes t.h<~' Food. nut l:hE:! hosp:il:.a] h .:-1 :; .:~ :; !) I It ' l'! ci II:; 1.: hi:\ 1:. 1·J1 ·j S .i :; e1 mechanism that is working 1-]X lTUiill:'! ·l.y 1-"/ E!ll, rHlcl ·i 1-:. ·j ~; d '; acceptabJ.e as the Food serv:ice s h c\ l,J t-~ e v I::! r· b c:• H n .i n 1-. h e h o ~; p j 1·.: d l. . S Ofl-11 ~ liON . fi.1F::MBFI \S : 1-JE!dln, hE:!cll~! Orders of the Day Ml\. SIMf"1~3: Mr. Speaker, I t..~dsh to caLl. Motion 1.1., IJJh:i.ch 'i.s l·.he rnoi·i.on t:ha!: dE•batE! on Motion 1 shaJ 1 not be Fur·t:her· aclj our·necl.

MR. SPEAK£R: The mot:ion ·.:i ~:; I Thd t.· F u r· 1.·. h t:• I" con: ; i d t:• r' r'\ i i on o i~ r't n y r' C! ~:; o 1 u 1-·i on u r' r· c-:> s o 1 u t :i o n s , c J a u s E• o r c ·1 a 11 s E· s , st~ci :·ion or· ~;ecl .'io11:;, pr· ··(:!dl'llbl.e tH ' preclmbles, title or li!:le s, or t;J hi:\ 1·. t·) t; I·) r· r-~ l. ~; f' 1 n i g h I: be r' I'! l. c\ t E~ d 1: o Mol::ion No. I shall. bE! thE~ f:i.l"~;t b I I •; ·j i'l I·) !) ~; caJJE~cl by be F 1 1 r· 1-.1 H '' r· or L:he J·JI)I/ St'!, the 1-Jou c;e, r.tncl po:; i ponHd . IAlh l'! rl /'II· :! X +: s h ic·ll1 n o l ..

All !:hose in favor, please say, ( 1-\Yt '! I ' SOME I·ION. MFMB E RS: AyE!. MR. SPEAKER: Those against 1 nay 1 • SOME HON. MEMBERS: N,:\y. MR. ~3PEriKER: Carr·ied . No . () 6 ( (l ·f 1:. P r· noon ) f~3'7,ll

MR. TULK: Division. o·i.vi s::i on MR. SPEAKER: Call in the members. Is the House ,~eddy for· thE! question? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Yes, Mr. Speaker. M r~ . ~) P U1 i< F ~~ : -------()]] tJ·,ose :in favoul" of lh(c! rnot:ion, pluc:-1~;r-~ r··i sc: l'he::! hun. i.hr,' f·1in·i~;1J!r' or Foii'li:11'1Cf-~ 1-1. 11 d M :i n :i ~; h~ ,.. R E~ ~; p o n s i b 1 e f o r· I . ,:~ b t' d d o t' H y d t' o ( r~ r• . V.J i. n d s o r' ) , I" h r::~ hon. thE?. Minisl~EH' of F:lsher·ic~~s ( M t' . R i. d 1-:W II 1.: ) , 1:1-w h o n . +.: J·w rJ! :i n :i s t E:! ,~ of P u b J i c W o I" k s a n d Sr:!r''Jic<:~s (Dr·.

Tt..~Jolney), 1·he hon. lht'! Min:istel" of Fducatjon (MI". I I e a r· n ) , 1·: h (~ h o n . 1: h H fJI ·:i n -i. s I e r· o r Rural, AgricuJluraJ and Northern De v E~ l. o p111e n I~ ( M r . P OIAJE"r') , l: he h on . the Minister of Forest Resources (Mr. R. Alyward), the hon. the Presjdent of Treasury Board and P r· E! s 'i. d e n t o f l: h E~ Co u n c i l. ( M t' . Sjrnms), the hon. the Minister of 1·1 (,'a 1 t h (Dr· . Co 11 i. n s ) , 1 ... he h on . t: h r->. Minister of Intergovernmental Affa'i.r·s (Mr·. Dat..~le), the hon. l::hr:• Minister of Transportation (Mr.

Do y l. e) , L he h on . l:. he Mi rd. s l: c;! r· of Careel" Development and Advanced ~) 1': u d -i_ E~ s ( 1'-1 r· . M cl L 1.: h n 1..11 s ) • 1 ·. h r'! h on . HJE~ M i rd s ·t-e ,.. o f F n vir on men t an cl l .. dncls (Mr. Russ~:~11.). thE! hon. 1--.h~:~ M:i.nistE~l" of I abour (Ml". f3l.r:H1Chr:H'd). 1-:ht~ hnn. UH~ r"'tn·i !) h·H' of OEWE!] opm(~1nt <'l.nd Tour·j srn (Ml~. l1i~lrTl:!I:L), l·.h!:'! hnn. l:h1-~ fhnisl:E~r· oF ~>oclal ~)ot··vices (JIIIl". Tob:i n). the h u n . 1: h (! r~ ·i. n J ~; 1-. e r· R e s p on !; 'i b 1 e For· No l"th EH' n II E~ V 0 lo prnEHlt ( Mr· .

Wi.HTB t1) , i·: hE:' h o n . i: hE! M i n i s I· E:! r· f~ E:! s p o n :; -j_ b 1. ~~ L3742 June 30, 1988 Vol XL ' for Newfoundland and Labrador H o u :; in g ( l'-1r· . PH c::t c h) , Mr· . P .:1 r· sons , Mr. Greening, Mr. J. Carter, Mr. B '" :i r d , fJ) r· . H o d cl c;! r· , M r· . W o o d f o r· d , Mr. Callan, Mr. PatlE!Y'SOn. MR. SPEAKFR: AlJ those against thE! moUon, ple~se rise: The Hon. the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Wells), Mr. Efforcl, t..hE! hon. Ml". Sirnmons. Mt·. T u l k • i\1 r· . 13 d k e r· • ~·1 r· . t~J . C d r· 1 ... E'! , .• , Mr·. G:ilbert, Ml". I<. Ayl.tAiaJ"d.

Jl.1r·. !( (:• l LHl d • rJtl" ' F't.ir' £'! y ' fv'Jr' ' I II~; h • ~11" ' Clll.l.dgE!. rv1r·' i''i:!l'liAJ-i.C k. Mr·. I 0119' Ml~. !3PFAI<U~: 0J"dc->.J". pl c~~a~>e! ThE:! rnotjon is cal"r'o:i(~'d, t.IAIE!nt.y .. f'jvp f 0 r• i:l 1'1 d f 0 I I t' hHHl r:~ g d :i. 1'1 :; C . MR. SIMMS: I call Motion 1. Mr. Speaker. Ml' .· SPEAJ<ER: f·1o i· i on l . All hon. Jnl:!lrJbei"S knoiAJ ITIE'ITibE!r wiJ 1 have t~;.Jenty spE~c1k. The hon. l·:hE~ 1 .. e a cl u r· Opposjtion. MR. WElLS: l:: h ('( 1:. u d ( h m:inut:E•s to oF 1:: hE! Mr·.

Spl~cllu•r', I: pr·obabl y IAI·i 11 not need twenty minutes to finish what T. hdlJE! 1".0 s .. :-ly. MR. PATTERSON: You are fjno:ished period. MR. WFL.LS: r ~~ri.l.l. r.~ J. rno !; 1: r ~n· l: ,.., ·i. n J. y n e (~ d -i +: 'L f hon. gentlemen opposite keep up l:h•~1i·. r'i:lr:b:!i:. T. i:\Hl :;IJt'r,~ ·i:o rwPcl :it. Mr·. ~=)p!·~i'·1kt!t', l nc•edecl on]y d f,~IJ.J more rn:inut.E~s to Fin:i.sh thE• po:ints I t..~ri. !) h C:! d 1·. o l'rli:l k E:! on l: he c:li'IIE:! rH.I niE'! n l:.. No. 66 (After·noon) R3742

but now that we are reNlly debating the budget in the Fr ·a.ln~~IJ.JOY'k of clOSIH'( :!, '[ r:•1l.So IAJant to tc.ke a fpw m ~i nutes to say that. e1 g o v (:• r· 111 n e n t 1··. h d ~~- doe s no l: c i:lll. Hit' RudgE~i . DdJCtl ~e for· tl;.Jo full month:;, r'"r'Olll Apr· ·i l ?.6, I•Jh c:n i. 1: l~li-1: ; last CdJ.J.E :!cl, by IA!hoich t·JI"IlE! Oppos"i.l::-i.on 111e111ber· :; h1:1cl !.;penL l.e:;:; ·l l1 d n f ·.i. v P !1 o u r· s d E:! bat i n g j L .....

Uw i" (·) I~JI::H' r:· !> o 1111:• HI~) 111b ''!i" :; :; p n k £·:· on r· h e g o u e ,~ n n 1 E:! n -t- s :i d e o f t h e H o u ~; e , !.JI.Ii.: Oppo!;i.i ·i.on lllt:•nJbHr'!; hd1 .l spf•J 'Ji ·. l E~ s ~; L h el l' I f :i ') C-:! h o u I"~; o n the R u d g Ed : debr 'll:l ~!, Luh ·Lc h i.s i··.h ~~ llliOljOI" dE!b;~i:l,! oF r!I'IY SE: !~;sion of l:h:is House, Ml" . ~) p f:! d k 1:• Y' , .:1 n c/ 1~. h C:! g 0 V (;! I" I'll II r:! II l~. C d l. l1·:• c/ l hE! ITIO L·:j 01'1 dgdj 11 ·-· Mr~. J. CAI~I"i~R: That is not true . MR . WF.li_S: It is. It is factual. It is taken from the House records . SOME HON.

MEMBERS : Oh, oh! M f~ . ~3 P E A K Er~ : Ol"d(~ !l" , pledse! MR . Wf.LLS: It j s govc,~rnrntHJt' ~; responsib:i 1 ::i ty 1-.o r··11n U·w HoJJS~~ •'Hid p11i· . gover·nrn t'nt hu~:jnc -'SS th1nough thE! H o 1 1 s t-:• j n i.'( p r· o p (·:· r· r-1 11 cl o r· cl H r·l y F d ~; h :.i on , and h c! v :i n g ~; <-~ t: on ::i ·t· For · 1-I•Jo f11 U . J!lonUl~ >, I-. hen I huy c;~l] .i.-1: on Jur1E ~ 28 and the~ ! PI "E:!~;: idE!I'il :: oF Hl f.! c

I) I I n c: :i. l. r'\1'1 d G

l) l) ~~~ r· n Ill(" n ·L H C) 1.1 s p l.eadE:!r' ~; t('{nds and t.c!lks ctbout <'l Fi.l. .. i bus 1-:::'r'. TI•JO s pr'!d !< E'!r's, 1::1-w l10n. the rnembEH' for St. Bar·bE ! and 111 y s c;! l. F h a cl s p o k e n , d n d 1: h e h o n . the Pl"esident of the Council stands dnd b.~l.ks about. <'l filibuster. So it is necessary to b r· ·'i. n g i n c 1. o s u r· t:! to s top Hw gouernmE!nt fi1ibuster ·. MR. TULK : 1·he re -::rs another 1..uord for it.. It L3743 JJII 'H-~ 30, 19BB Vol XI .. i.s cal1<~'d wi .swanagE!IriE!nt. MR.

WF.LLS : In heaven's name, Ll.Jho :i.n this Prnt;'i.nc~::~ clous he expl~'cL -1-.o bel'Lr:•vP that non~;ense? Also, who is going L o b (,' l i r:! 1; <-) i: h i·1 -1: 1:. h c~~ (~ o (J ~'' r· n nH:. n 1·:. monc-:'y r·uns out. at. rn::i.dnight c;n June 10? lh;:1l: .:tl•;o i!; 1101' : r:\C(l.lt'r:ti ':C:!. RecausE:!, 1'-11". SpE~aker·, ::in TnLPI":irn ~)11pply i·1 ~:;lti'IJ of rnonr: !IJ L<lr-1::; vo 1:-.r:•d, r1 0 t a S p e C j (' j (:' d 11 U rn b '" In 0 f cl d ':/ S 0 f' ·qH:!ncl i ng p01Aif!t'. r L lllr.'llj IJ..IC:• '1"1 he.:• l:ha L l~h,::! au L.hor·i ty :i ~; <:'I :I J"E'dciy l"tln Olll-..

Cl llldlj IJ..JUil b!'! l.h.:(l ·. l~ii<"'Y hctue overrun already. MR. PATTERSON : ~ potnt o~ ordHr, Mr. Sp8aker . MR. SPEAKER: On:lr"!r', pl.("as e! A point of order, the hon . the mc-:>rnber for· Placr::nti.a . MR. PATTERSON: A point. of .inFol"r nal · .. i.o n . rlw hon. the Leader of the Opposjt:ion - Mr~. WFL.LS : A pojnt: of :infor·mat.ion :is noL in o r·cl c~ r . MR . PATTERSON: A poin t of order. MR. F'URF:Y: ------~::; i. L d OI•Jn ! !3 'i. I~ d Ol•ln ! MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! A point of order . MR. PATTERSON: TI ·H~ hon.

L~ ::a der· nH:!nt. ·i.on"!d -!:hat LhE: governmE!nt funding r·uns out l:onight d+·. 1.:00 o'clock . I wou1d ljke to know when his funding runs oul: .. L-Jhr!n do they sl·:op gf'!t .ti nq brown envulopes? 1\Jo . 66 (A f I~.E~r· noon) rn '743

~30MF l-ION. MFMElEf~~): 1·1 ~~a r· , h ~~ d r· ! MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! rher·e :i.s no poi.nl: of or'd(:!l'. MR. WFLI ... S: A n d -t: h l:' c h i 1 d r· (:! n i:'l t' C:! ~~ r.~ r· y h a p p y . They are satisfied with the K-Lnder·qar·l.\0!11 per·For"rnance. !"hey ar'C"! arnus~'d.

Bt.rl:: I can te11 thosE! hon. rr1e1nr.H'!t'S l·:ha t:. l.he U3, 000 peopJ.r.:! they haue dl"iUE'!I1 out of th:is Pr·o~J i.nc'~ ar·1:• no 1-. arnu~;ed, nor· di"H ll . l l . ll ·."Je :z I" I" E• .. a· .. :.1 U E:~ S , n Cll" iH' E· · ~ '1 E• 30,000 r·he') pl.li. bE:•J.OIAJ l .. ht:! flOl)t::•r··t.y line, nor are the other 22,000 l.hr~y pui: on Uw lll'lPirlploynl<:!nl·. _i. II ~; U I" ell' ICE~ I" 0] E:! ~; . N 0 I'll:! 0 f l: hE:' TTl d I" (

C) r:-11nused, and '!':hey r~J"i.lJ. ;~ll bt! tJOI".e;•; agc.drrst the goVE:!rrrmc,!nt whE:Hl thE~Y g e t: 1~. h H g u t-. ~; I: o c: d l. l 1--. h 1-:~ 1::1 J e c I: i. on . rJJ r~ . n1 1 .. :< : R-..ight orr. MR. ;:n MMON;:;: Tl:: tAJ"ill not.: be l.unq nor~r. MR. WE LL~3: I ndeE!d it. t.ui l J not bE:' long now. I t r~.Ji. l. l. hap p c:! n v e r· y s o on n OIJ..J . NotAl, Mr·. Spe~akE!r, to got: bc:1ck t:o ·Uw rnotj on. Ml". SpE:~akel". nobody .i.s go'ing l:o bf~1:i.evr~ l.:hFit. nonsense fr·on1 Uw gouE:1rnrnent..

I do not know hOIAJ HIUCh oF 1--.he t:o·l>l1 SUIII that I.Ui:IS authorj ze:~d on IntE!rim Sup pl. y "i. n Mar' c h has i. n Fe:~ c t been spE!nL. If jt.-. has :in fact a11 bE~E!I1 sp(:!nt., IM(o! haVl:1 ofFE'!Y'ed l~.o pr·o•;i.cJc,~ fur·thE!r Trrl.edm Supply; I.UE:' did it 1~.wo uc1y~; e1go, r.~nd UlE! Hoi I Sf'! l .. (~i:u:ler· could hdve hc-.H.:l j l:. i'.lUa:lJabJ (,'. MR. SJMM~:i: [1: Ldkf:!S [ ogE:':'l hPI". 1'-11~. ~~~~-· L I. ;3: l:r~Jo I;HH' k :; 1-.o p11 i·. ·i.l: no not. bt:> ~~o ~dunnE~d. 1. 3 '/l[.IJ. J u rw ] 0 , l 9 8 8 Uol XI.

WelJ, in that Ci:lse they should r·e~;-i gn :i.rllllli::~cl ·i a I··. c.:! l.y, if l.hr·'!Y canrro I~ put that togethEH' :in Jess than tt;.JO d H y s . [ F l-. h i:l 1·: -.-i. s 1·:. h ('! 1 ('! v (:' l 0 f competf:~nce, they shouJ.d go notAJ, l: h o y s l·w 1 1 1 cl n o 1-. lAid -L 1". F o t' 1:: h E• edect.-Lon. MR. WINDSOR: NolA! IAH'' knOIAJ r~.Jhcd: I;.Joul.d happE:!n if YOU guys E•UE•r' did 9E!t OUE!In hE•I"C•. 1t. ·is nol·: J.i.kel.y, l:·.houqh. Ml~. WELLS: N 0 IAJ , MY' . ~::_; p E! a k E• r , n 0 b 0 d y .i n [-_ h j "· l:l t' o v :·i n c r:• b P l. 'i. u \! t:=• s 1". h cl l~ n u n s e n ~:; e .

ThE•y knotAJ lAihc!t the goVE!InnrnE:•nt: i~:. l:r-y-Ln<J I o do, choke• ofF clebdLf~ nn the budget because they do not -1 i kl'' hedr··i ng I he t·:r'rl t:h. ·1-hr•y hl'I\J('> a real avers::ion to somebody c-:! x p r· !'.! :; :; ·i. n g "' n h o n l'! :; ·1-. o p "i. n -L o n o r what they haue done to the economy of t·.h·i.s PI"OtJincc-:!. Thi'l·t·:, ~1r·.

Speake1n, :is c,~xact]y lAJhat t:h:i'> f:lfllr:•nclrnt·:•nl: ·i~; dbl)lll:, l.el:l·-i.ng i::hH people of Lhjs Prov::ince know I'! >< i-l c i: l y r,, 1 h i:1 I: I h l:! q o lJ f" r' I'll' II H n 1·: h ''1 ~,; clone:! l:.o Lh(:! econo1ny of' l.h::is P r· o u .i n c (,' . r.!J r-. ~-)pea k e I" , 1 ,,e -i_ n 1:: e n d to do l..hdt. ThE!r'E• j s no in LE~nt.ion t:o holrl tip d,~bi:'tl"l:' -Ln J:·.hl.s House any longer than is necessary to n1akr::! that po-i.nt, dnd 1: havE~ no doubt a few other hon. members r~Ji.l.l. IAJcHl I· t: 0 S p E:! <.~ k i:: 0 [::he arnE• nciiTlE! n t: . Mr.

SpeakE!r, lAJhen ·Uw clebat.<:· adjour·ned yestr::!rdc~y, T lAJdS talking about thE:~ impact thE• rai.]tAJay deal t.hdl~ has nOIAJ bE'!E'! n con c l.uciE!d 1.1ri. ll have on thE! economy of Lh.is Province c:1ncl our Financial. positjon in the future. Two further things necessitate !;omr,~ Fr.lr'l:hr;!t' Hlabor'di·.:-i.on: fldr'l-. of jt js the petulance and c h i. l r:l ·i. ~; h 1'1 I'! :; ~; 0 r UH:• c 0

l) p r' I'WIC~! n t. HOUS(:' leadE~In. WhE'!l'l I :-inli"CldUCE~cl 1-.1-w pr··i tJi~h:• rriHrnb<:!i·''s i"e~;olul:'i.on l"espect:i ng LhE:! J··a::i.JtAJay. Ml". 1\Jo. ()6 ( rr F t: t:• r· n o o

n) R3 74.1.1.

Sp<o ~aker·, the hon . minister· then stood and introduced his own resolution, and I want to read it: 'WHEI~EAS the'! Oppos:ihon js bor· -i.ng. ' Le~der of very repetitious ~3 0Mf: HOI\J. MF.MB F.I~S : IIPctl", heal"! f"l f? . L~ F 1..1 . S : Tnlnlt·ci·.:Ld l·:<'J y df ·l (o!l" T l"Oiild t.:ht-'! and thE~ l"l''~;oJ.uL ·ion, h• o' ~;· i·.oncl 11p ilncl ihi: ; ~~~~~ d t !1 E' s cd d : :r e~ s k Cl 1 1 h o n . lllf:'llli :H: !r's c'\l"'c:l •. 1nybocly ~)-!

SC'! l_·i ~; l:co'l'l i 1'19 -1 CJ r · E! rrH :' rn b E:! 1·· t h r.A t '1. h :l :; j s <:-~ rn t:! a s u r· E! oF Uw i_ni:ull. ·i.g:.:!nC:•'! •.HH.I t:onlpei-.1-:•ncH ctnd aboil:il "Y and :integl"oi-l:y and !> i.ncc:!r·i.l ·:y of l·he Govor·nntr~nl: :·lou~;~ ~ I ') d d E:! I" . T h Cl t j s t.J.I hat t.o1J E:' arE! h:~st:'i.ng, Mr·. SpE '!d b:!r', and 1-:h.i.s i.s tJJha ·t.

Hds han. gentleman stood and gavf:! <.'IS l·ri.s gover·nrnent' s officLal response to a resolution that C a n ad a c o n t ·i n u t'! h E! r· c o n s t i. t.: u t i. o n a 1 obligation in Newfound1and with r· e s p E:' c t. t: o ·I~ h u r· a i ltJJ a y . H t'! r· 1:! .. i s t h e o f f :i. c :i a l r· E! s p o n s E· , M r· . S p ~~a k e r· . N OI/J j us t.: 1 t s t-.

H n 1:: o :i 1- so thcll t·:he E:!]E!Ct.orat.E~ oF Uds Pr·ov:LncE:! can judgE'! 'l".hf~ qur'l-LJ·l ·.y i'tnd competence of the government. thE:! l e~cJE~t" oF 'WIIFRFf.'\S Opposi.i ~·i on l:w I" :i n Sl ; ' .:i. :> t; E! r· y r· ~~ p e Li . 1:. ~i. o 1 1 s the dnd f'ly, hoi)J ·in l".r:! 1.1 i ljl'! ;·d: i-'lnd h C)I~J pEH 'CE!p'l'.:ive of h:in1. ' () N D till H r. R r A s t h ~~ 1 . e c:H;I EH' of t lw 0 p p o :; :i. 1: i. o n c o n L i. n 1 1 1::' •; 1·. o rwi. s -i. n F o r· If I t h Co1 p E-' o p 1 e oF this P r·o vi n c e; 1 They do not J.·.lkE:' what. is going out-., Mr. SpE~akf:~r·.

Thoy do not -. like->. to~Jhat thP pE:'Ople oF this P r· o v i. n c e a r· l:'! h e a r· J. n g a b o u 1:·. I~ h (! gover·nment. They do not 1 j kE! what lAJdS in t:he 1 .. -LbE'!r·c:·\l. Par!-:.y resolution about the railway and t. h c;! go v E:! r· n Htc->. n t. dE~ a l. tAI"i . t h r· E! s p e ct. I. 3 '7 4r:, June 30, 1988 Vol XL ·~~ to the railu.Jay . ThE~r(~ is no m:i.s"i.nFor'tlli.d.: i.on, -L I~ ·is a pos:ition only. DR. COLL.tNS : We understand the 1\li::! 1~1 F o 1 1 n d J. i:\ n d d i cl ,.l o 1:. e:i thE• in. Mf~.

WFLL.~3: peoplE· l. ·i !< 0 ()1 ·1d t he1 ·1 he lAJent: . on dnd :>cdd: ' A N D lN II F I~ F A ~3 Ut t:' I E:! a d E! I" of Oppo~;·i.i . ion coni . i Ill II'!::. ~0 of ·i 1·: t· he:• lll<'t ku st-atE:!I'TIE:•nts Utal:. ar·E· ·injur·:ious tn l·:ht,~ pttbl:i.c goucl.' "'Jhd i.: he t:o the TcH'i (~S, :is i:his t·r~.:tll_y llH:!<'ll'l':; ·j S -j nj Ul""i.OI.I~'; poJ:it:ical lAJE'l-.1 -br:!:ing of th1:· f'l r· . ~) p e i·\ k 1::! r· .

I' h ~>. n -1-: h e r· I'! rE·soJ ut:.:i .on: 'BE IT RESOLVED that th:is House -Lnsist. that· . t:.he l_c,,aciE:•r of· the Oppositton tP11 the truth thE! lAJ h o l. ~:! 1-: r· u t h and no l: hi. n g b u l:. t: hE! truth to the truth to thE! P<'•op1E! u F N f;! IAJf o u n d l. 101 n d .-"~ n c I I. d b r· a c .I o r · . 1 1\JOIAJ, Mr·. rnE:•asure C Otl'!pf'!'o-.f~ l'l C E~­ poJ.itj cal Co v (~ r· nlltE! n l: go v C-'! r·nmE! n-t:. ~; p 1·:! i-\ k ~' f o r· . ~3per :lkc-:>r·, l·ili'tl·: i!; d oF Lhe oinLe11E!ctua1 l'lnd db 'i.l.-i.l·:y and jnt.:egrity of the 1-1

C) u ~; c,' I_ c-) i:\ c:l <:- r· d n cl thE! hE! r·E~PI"E!SE'n ·t:s and I L lAd 1 ] s t a n d , M I" . S p e a k E:' r· , a ~; d JliOillltllC'!J'll : i-.0 ~;l-lr'\l'ltl·), ,:1.::; i i: 011gh l:. l .. O be->., fo1" -lhP pPI"fCJI"fTiiHICE! oF l:l·1c~! IJOlJC!t'l'lliiHni:. Tl'hll' r.llr·. ~:)flt:!i'-\ker·' i.s o n thE:~ 0 r· cJ E:! r P i'.l p E:' I"·, n E~ x l:·. t: o d n u i. h c,~ r· 1,~ q 1 1 d ll y •; -.-i.l1 y r· <'' s u l. u +·. i. o n r'E!Specting ITIC:' per·sonaJ.Jy, 9 and :10 o n i:: h t'~ 0 r· d H r· P d p ~) r· .

I" h c-:! o L h f'! r· resolution wants jt resolved t.o go on r·t~cor·d as oppos ·i.tlg i'lny dl:.tc,1rnpl:. to give fish to France in order to negotiate 1-:.hH agreement. MR. TULK : Why are they after you, though? No. 66 (Aft.E·rnoon) R374-S

Ml~. ~~F'-I.S: I~P CCIU S E·• t.hE~y k riOIAI thl':!Y iH'E~ going :-. o l. o s H U·w n c-~ x L P l e c L :i. on , 1-. h i:l 1: ·i. :> 111hy ·H1c::~y iH'C·! aftc-:!1" rnE!. HE:~ce~use -l.:hE!Y kn0111 l::h~)i.t• n,,,xl: c,~l.c;•ct-.i.on i.:; Jost aJree~dy, they c~nnot deal IJ.J'i.l::h ·l·.he l.:i.bf:!r'dl. P<:lt'l·.y on l:h~:! 1TIE!I"its of t:I'IP ::iSSUt'~, thE!Y havE:• '1:.0 attclck the person. MR. TULI<: Yo 1.1 111 u s t. h ,·,1t.J e ~; orne s p e c i. d l. 1r1 E:! d n i n g f o 1" ·1 hat c r· elAJ . Mf~. WELLS: rt certdinl.y d J":l v e s F E'iH' 1: h E:' i. r· b o n e s , thdt. IVJf~.

FURFY: Sl:!r·'!II1S 1:-.hdt. l.l.k1y. [1-. and sh~LVE·rs thr·ough you can bH sur··r:-oF Wr:• 1ni.gh+: c~tJ('!J1 gl:!L d :')FH:!dkHr', .. ·1fl-.E!t' this. r.1R. wr:us: 1\]0I~J, t r· u t I' r-1 r' ' the S p (·~ d k (·} r' ~ bon. tl1e h c') r· r-) i. ::; P1"esj ciE:'n-1:. l h [·) oF lhr-:! COIIilCi.l. IJ.Idillr:!d ·i.11 lhi:1L 1"c~;ulu!·::ior1.

TI1E:•I"E! :.i~; no quE:!St.:-.iOII, ~k. :·;pec~ker·, '''~' i·.o 1.~11·1•·1.1· l.lw IIE·!~Jo·l::i.at:ol"~'· dl· I".I1E:' t:.iii'IE! thE~ TE:'I"rns of IJ n i. on IAJ r'! t' t'! neg o L i .:-~ L r'! d , cLiscussed and i'l91"E~c,~d upon and -i.nl·:(.;!nciE>.d l:o IAW-i.l:c,~ <'tncl t'E>.fl.l~CI-. i.n ·thE:~ TE:!1"rTIS of Union: 1That dSSUITipl:.ion of i.:hE:! r','1:iliAJi:1Y dncl sLearnsh::ip serv::ices wouJd be jusl~i.fi.Hd on 1-_hc·:! gr'c)und 1--hdl-. ·il· was merely the extension of the coast. to coast. transportation systE~rn to takE• car'E! of Uw neE!ds of the nHw Prov·incE:~. 1 And l·.:hc:.n·e is no doubt clbout. that, Mr'.

S pea k E! r· , 1:: hat .i. s t: h (:! r· E~ . T h d t. i. s not. a 1 i e , that i s not a- rn-Lsst.ai::EW1E!nt., 1:-.hai7. i.s l:r:~ken oul:. of the r·ecor·ds, and thE! tilTH:~ and p 1 a c e a n d d a L (:! c1 r· E>. c1 l. l. q u o t: E>. cl , d n cl c.ti'IYbocly IAJho h<ots sufficient objt~cl-.itril:y l·:o s·il· <.H1d l.onk .:~l·.

H: Ci'.tn and go dncl sec,~ :i.'l, and see I~Jh c.'l ·l: i. ~~ llif~ d 1'1 S d nd ~; E' r-:• IAJi'l d {-_ ·i_j·_ t"PPI"eseni' s. l3?li6 June 30,. 19BH VoJ XL n 111: that "' go v c-:• r· nrnr-H1I·., r1r· . :> p (:! <"~1 k e r·, 1.1.1ants to SE:'lJ----out. thE! fut.U1"E! of i l·.s Pr·otJ i nee,,, I h..-t l-. ~~Jr.'ln 1-.s l::o seJJ us out for a bit of polit:ical IIHHH:! y to r· 11 n <.H1 c• T e c l-. --j on , ,., .. i ] J. do anything; they will stop al 1'1 o l-. h .i. n y :i. 11 t h C!

"i. r' d n s p r:• l" <'l 1:: ·i o n 1-. o S U In V i V E! , IAI h :i C h i S I.J..J h Cl l:: [. h E! y h cl V E• cl 0 1'1 E:! ' NOIAJ, Min. SpE:~akE•r' if hun. rm•rnbE•InS 0 p p 0 ~;-i I: ('> i:H' f>. ;::d.: (·1 1. l. h 0 l'lr::"; 1-. ,.,, II cl sincere in ·their concern about Ne1JJfouncll..u1d, hoiAJ Cdn 1-.hr::-y p o s s i b J. y o p p o s e a r E' s o 1 u t :.i. o n IAJ h :i c 1·1 IJ..JOUl.d Si:~y 1:-.h.i.~;? 'Thi'tl'. i:hH l'HI"IIIS of Unjon shouJ.d be alnc:•nclc:•cl l_o l:he exl·:enl: nncessdr'y l··.o r::tff'i.r·1n l::hr.'ti:. the constitutional obligat:::ion of C<:·Hh·1cl<:\ l·.o l"r:!l'i e~Jf:! Hlf:!

Pr·ou i I'!Ce u'l" NeiAJfouncl]ancl of l:hl=~ pub1ic co~.l- .i. n c 1 1 t' r' r:• cl ·i. n p 1·' o tJ j cl i n q i · h r::• Newfounclldnd portion oF i.:he n <:1 1·. i o n ''11 l·: t' r'l n s p n t' l: .,1 1. ·i. on s y s l:·. (:! 1 n 'i. s a cont:inutng onE~. and C;,macla has r·r;!:>pon:; i b i.l.·i.l·.y ·in pr:!l''po·l-_11:i l·.y FrH' LhE> adcloitJ.ondJ f::i.nanc::iaJ btJi"clerl pl.

"1 C r-:! cl [) 11 ~-lr-:~ I ~de[) I II H:ll i'll H.l I. 0 I I FHJ I" i·U I c:• , OjJHI''cd.E:! cHid I'IIC:1.il'llcL.in -i·IH:• Tt'i'ln~; ·C.:1i'kicli·1 l-l"i ghi;Ji'IY I o c'\ :; l·.dnci,H'd aclec1ua'l..E:! ·l·o dCCC>rllfi'IOcldt·.e t· .• l1e I: r' i:'l r lc i. c d i

I) H r' :-u cl I . [) i i. b y r· (! d ::; [) n of thE• pi'IClSE'dOLIJI'l and C]OSIH'E! of" th1::~ t'i.d.l.I)Ji:1Y --i.n 1\JE~I)Jfuundl.<:-~nd. 1 Mr·. ~3p(>.akc:!1", i.F l·he govt::!r'l'llrlE:!ni:: wantE•d to, that r·E!Solut-.:jon cou1cl I:Hc. c i.d. l e cl n OIJJ <-Hlll p u i·· IAri.l-:. h o u 1: debate, or· urith such dE·bab:! as any hon. rrwmbc:•t's IAJanl·r::·d 1-:o h6lve, dncl passt:'d. Ar·e they ashc-:tmE:•d to ask F o r' 1··. h d '1': F r· o rn 1. h r.;! Co v EO• r· n rn t'! n !:. o f Canada? Do they oppose 1\Jc:!IJJfoundl.and hr.w i.ng t.hat constitutional gucH'clntee?

Is that what !:-.hey dre opposed 1-:o, that pr·otect.jon for NeuJfounclland? Why I•J011l.d ·1-:hf>.y po~;s"i.bly vol·:r~ agd·-i.nst. j t? Because :l t I;.JO u l d cl o ·!-:l-It'! rn out. o f 1. hr.-:~ '!i "I 0 0 rrr.-i.l.l -j on p o J.-i. l:: ·i. c i~ l. ~; l u s h Fun cl t: h <=' y ~Jot . That: j s 1.11 h y ·1: h r:! y rH' I'! 0 p p 0 S H d 1': 0 i. i: No. 66 (AFtc,~1"noon) R 3 7 4-6

No IAJonder·, Mt·. Spe<'lktn·, HH~Y do not like that being stated and rna d e k no IAJ n to t h <"! p u b l i c , no wonder they are running scared and i: h e y p u t. t 1-H~ s E:~ s i J. l. y , dl'L l cl t s h , juVE!rdle rE!So1uUons on tl'lE! OrdE•r p a p (! t' , n 0 IAI 0 1'1 d l:~ l" 1:. h (' y <'\ I" t~ Cl S h d l r1 E! d oF IAJhat. they arE! doing . i"l'w s P c o n d p <'H' ·I" of 1~ h <"! r· n s o 1 1.1 L -i. o n , Ml". SpE!i:J.kHJ", is 1 to J"E!qU<:~st. !:he Col) l"~ r· I'll II(' n 1: d nd p i:\t' 'l i. r:\IW:~ n 1:

C) f CarJdda to ··.incJ"E·!aSE:! dncl pay {;~ ;_:t r~ l ·j (:~ r~ 1 f~l s Jl)d 'J )) ~~~ rl (~ C P ~) ~) ;:·t f' y I :·: h (•,! f u n d ~; p r· Cl v :i d E'! d f o r· j n L h E:' r"lelfl!H 'r:tndlllll () r !Jnclt·H'~; L.:tlld 'i ng cl;:l.i.r-)CI JtJI 'IC /.0, :19H8 in (lt·<h•l" l.o g:.iul~ pI" 0 p (! t' I'! r f H c I· I· 0 c i'l n d d i'l I :; co r1 s t :.i -1- u t· :i. o r1 d 1 o b 1 ·.i. gat j on I" (! S p 0 c-L i. n g I. l·w ~-J ('IAJ r

C) I I l'l d l. i'l rl cl p or·+- ·.i on of 1: h E• n a L :i or 1 a J. l·.r'i:HlspcH·l·:d ·l:·i.on :;y!; !:.<:~rn. 1 Hot~J Cc'Hl they possj bly be opposed to t..hat? You cr.1n el."i .m"i.nal:.l:' th~:~ r't'!c·i.l:.al.s "i.f you tAJant: to, Mr. SpE!aker, and just put those operat"i.ue clauses ln there and vote on them. How could t h e y o p p o s o i. -t ? A n d b y ~; L 1:. t. i. n q thE·l~e siJE•ntly and rE!fusing to b r· --i_ n g 1.: h ('! r· E:! s o l. u t ·i o n o n , 1:. h E:! y a;· t:! say:i ng to thE• NE!Wfoundland poopJ.E! we do not w~nt this for Net;.JfouncJJ.and.

Thf:~re is no other concl.us i.on t:hat. can bE! dr•a1l1n fr·om Jt:, none IAJha-Lsoever. And :it "is u n a u o i. d a b l. e , M r· . ~) p e c:·\ k <;~ r· . T h <:1 I: concJu~>ion js unauo:idablP. IL js 1-. h n r· ::• ~i. n b l. •-~ c: k "'n d I•J h i l-e , 1.: h C:! i r· J"E:,fus:ing to cal.] ·thE! t"C:'solut::ion, t" C! f us in g 1·: o h <:\lJ <:! .·i. 1: p 11 1: , r· r-) f '·' :; .i. n y !o suppot"·l :i.l, hE:!Ci;tUSE:! ·j-t IALilJ shoi~J Hll:'TTI !.If> ror· i·l·ll:~ dd~;l :i.H'dly dePd they helVE:! dont> :in sj_gn:ing 1·: h .. ~ I: ·i. n I: ol r:~ r· db 1 t'!

"'g r· I·) r:' n II" n 1·. 1~1 i 1·. h r'<:~ ~; p P c-1. I 0 "! hE~ I'' cd. 1 IAIB. y . r11r~. orNN : Tell us about Chut~ch:ilJ Fi'!]Js. Mf~. PEACH: TeJJ us about that one . r"1R. Dli\JN: L3'747 June 30, 1988 Vol XL I challenge you 1:.0 tr.1lk about ChurchiJJ FaJ.ls. MR. WELLS: [ IJ.J''L ll. i. n d E! U d . Y 0 U 9 i. U <:! f11 E'~ l:. h 0 time and I will. do it. MR. PEACH : TE:~lJ us IAJhat. rolE! you p1ayPd ·.Ln C h 1 1 r· r; h i_ -1 l. F d l l :; . rH?. lAIF U .S : J tAr .:i l ] 9 :i v e i t i n cl e !.. a ·i l . (.) ~; ,,,~; t: h<·\lH -:!

UJc· ::·i"'''', he ~~r·i _-,-, ful] dl'• l.d.i]s and l:hE:• m.inJsi:E!I" Ill) i: -, ·j b) ·j i: ;'\i. r•\ ·n. r"lr~. I:HNIJ::)Of~ : No, I IALill not (Tn.:tltcl "i.bl t·:!) Chtlr·cll i ·11 can be sure of that. MR. WELLS: l ike f''d 'l 'I:; I Tnci(H'~d he t;.rill. not like i.t. MR. SPEAKER: Ord(;!r, please! MR. WELLS: ~; ( l 0 I I hd

l) C:! w::i ·1 -, :I .L ..... yuu Now, Mr. Speclk~r, Lh0t Ls for another day and that js coming up. AN HON. MEMBER : You •H'E~ clrH'n r· i.gh 1:: :i 1: "i. s corn -Lng up . Mf~. WELI .. S: IndE~Pd ::i 'l~ is corning 1n:i n i.s l:l:!r' ·i_:; no I. qo·i 11q he heat"s. Ml~. TOR IN : up, and !::he 1': 0 -, -i_ k (' I •.Ji'ktl:. T~:>l.l. 11~; hn1•1 IIIlich mont~y you lfli~dt '! on t..he 1-!::ibel"l'lid dE:'i'.ll g<l:il'lg l:o COUI"I':. MR. SPFAKFf~ : Ot'dfH', pl.edsl::~! MR.· WFLLS : Mr·. SpE:!aker·, t.his ::is ~Joing to takE• i.-1 J. 0 1.: ., () I I g r:~ r· l:. h r'l n I t: h () Ll g ll t.

I i. r:­ hon. gE!nl1E!rTlE~n keep shouting Li.I<E• 1-. h ·i. s . l h 1:! y cl o n o L l · i k ('! 1~.1 h a 1:: L h e y hear·. No . 6 6 (Afh~rnoon) R374-7

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! MR . WELL::>: l'-1r' . ~:) p to!·~ !u~ r' , i:. h 1::~ rwi n ·i ~; hH' do 1,~ ~; no 1-. k no 1~1 1.o~.1 he I" e hE~ j s . I· I E:' t h :i n k s he i s bdck :i.n k"i.ncler·g.~-~r·i:t:!i'l, or· 111<:1)'bt-:! he hc·t ~; not J E:!f l . Mr. Speaker, the lh1ng cuncc-:>J"ns mE:' mosl. about Lhis is liTIFJdCI ··. on i:hf~ <?.Ct) l'lOf'ny oF Province of that agreement . AN HON. MfMBER : (Inaudible) . MR.

WFL.L.~3: t:hdL thE! l: h i ~;; From a purely selfish point: of u :i C:! l/J i 1:. i. s g r· H a 1: , b e c a 1..1 ~; ~~ l: h (:! electorate of this Prouince is go i.ng t.o r·ej (~C t i.t to l:.r'\lJ.y 1 and reject the members tot.a] ly becausE! of it..

Pnl.i.U.c; :ll1y i.\: ·i.s ciduantageous to us, but the harm i:o 1\JE:>~AJFoundJ dnd ·i :; i.lflTilEHlSr::', bt::'C:i:ll.Jse they hdU<-' pl"E!jucl:icE:H:I 1\)fo!I~JFOIIIlcil ,'lJ'H:I 1 ::; pn~; ·j i:·i 01'1 gr'l ·o•d1·l y i,)y i:tQJ"C'!E:•oln~ J l·o :Ll· F·oJ"l.Urlal·E:!ly, Ml". ~)p(~d!<t;•r', l:ht'' I ibu;·!l PrH'i.y l;.ril-1 c o n 1 E' t. o 'l. h c· I" E~ ~; c u r:~ of N u lA I o u n d J cll'l cJ <:1 g.:-\ i. n I '" ~; ·i. I: 1.1 i. d i n i·: h (-) ("' ~; ~) () r T~H·m 29. :->OMF HOI\J. r.,FMA FRS : He <:a · , h <-=' c\ r !

Ml~. !illi'~I.U): vJIIE!I'I the,, Tol":i PS tr·j_pcJ t:o dE~pr·iuP N~ ~IAJfound1dnd of i.l :s cons 1-: i.l··.u 1': ional d .ghts undE:!r Term 29 I that great Pr·i1r1~:· Mi.nist:er', r.,r. O:i.~~fenbc:tkt!t', tor·e apar·t. our· Ter ·ms of Union and l:ot'! '! up Ter 'HI 29. For·t.una t.ely, whE!n the gouE!rnmen t changed and a L LbE!r 'a l goUl "•rmrH c'l' lt was for·rrH'!d -Ln OttatJJa, that was r·edr·esSE!d. Now, Mr·. SfH?. i:t b>.r, 1:. he I_ HH:! r·aJ.

Party hc! s d91"eed that when the L:iber'r.ll Party fonns l:.ho CouPr'nHit ·=!nl-. of Ci:Hli:lda ag<'d n s hor·tJ.y, it IAri J.l ag I"E:•E! to rdl·. e I" i·: h (·~ T (=! r'l'll ~, () r u n ·i. () 1'1 l·.o rll··1 k (~ pi"Ou:i.s:ion fol" pr ·o pE:~I" Cll'ld fa :lr· 1.37•-lll .TIIi'l!·) 30, 1988 lJ u 1 X I ·l:t't'!dl:nJr,Hll: of Nt:'l1ifOIIndl.i :1n d . And, MI". Speaker·, they tJJ:11] find d tlJ 1-~ l r: n me I. i b t'! r· 1:1. l 9 o tJ (.) r· 11m c:1 n l: i n 1·. h i. !> Pr·ouincc,~. s:it: ·Ung l:her'E!, nc:~goL ·i.di· .. i.n<..:J .:~ncl l)ll)r'k:i.ng on i.l-.. ~)()~~::: 1-101\J. r.,F~JfB E I~S : Hc,~aJ", hc,'aJ"!

Mf~. I11JF.LI.S: Mr·. SpE·akc,'r, if PE:'I"ChanCE! l::hE•re i ~; il I j tH>. r· ,,, l gotH! 1" nn~t~ n 1·: f" u r·1r1H cl . ··i n Ottawa by this Fall, b~:!fore an elt:!CU.on ·is callHd in 1-.i ds Proujnce, then we are goJng to i. n !; i. s t t-.·. h a I~ 1-. h i s go u t'.! r· n I'll t'~ n 1-. a g r· o 1:' to arrtE!nd thE• TE!rrns of Union, E!Uen though 1::1-lt=!y clo 110 l.: I•Jal ·l 1-.: l:.o diiH:•nd l:.hE! Terrns of lln:Lon, to haue l:hi.'tt bE'!nPFi 1·.: For· Nt'!IAIFt)Undl.ancl. MR. TULK: Right. on! MR. WfUS: ~·k! 11J'i ,l l, ·i. l'l :; ·j .:; 1'. 1: h <.-11: Hw y d 0 u-.

I and T think the people of this F' I'' o u i n et ·) I•J·i. '1'1 no l 1-1 ·1 l o t•J Hlf'' 111 1··. o l"t:•fu~;E:! '!.hal.: br:•IIE!F:il.: !hat the govt·:!l'rHII!'!Ili nf CdildCkt LlJill IAJdni ·. In pI" o u :ide f' or N eiAJ f o u n cl1 d 11 cl . MR. TUL.K: Ho1~1 can 1-:hey? MR. WELLS : Thc,!r'e j s an ind:icat] on that t.hey a r· ('! g o i. n g ·1 ... o clo ·.·i. 1-: . MR. TOBIN: We haue some good quot es ( ·i. n i'l u d i. b 1.

e) f r· o lfl t: h c,, 1_ ~~ c:~ de r' of l:: h (c' Opposition that WE! LAd.]] USE• at thE! right ttrne and expose your (inaudible) lives . We haue some good quot:es Fr·om Lt.Jhen you JAJE•re i.n court. Mr~. WELLS: Yf~~;. l"ikc,1 l·:hf~ P-i.ck~:!r'sq·i.ll. l.HI·.l:C:!r. Some good P"i.t:kHr:;g·il.l of Romulus things J.·.ikr:o the lH'I:l·::~r·. And Lh;~ sl ·ory and RPITiu~;. no doubt, 1\Jo. (j{j ( A f i · t·:! r• n u o

n) f~3 '/ IJ.H

wiJJ come out before too long. I'-1R. TOR IN: Tell us about the Royal Trust? MR .

WFLI _S: I will tell you about th<'' Roydl Trust. r ctcted For l:.h('! f~oyi:11 Trust Conrpany as the 1".: h ~~ i. n v ~~ s t. o r' s , For' 1-. h f'! :in t.hE:' Chur'chill Fal]s trusteE ! for b o n cl h o l. cit"' t' ~; thing, and [ IAJ cts p.~ i.d For' sHr·v :.i cr:!S i"nnder 'c:•d. rhc -~ -illtpt:~ c l·: u n i:hH f!CC Hl O itiY o f :: h i ~:; Pr'ov i riC rc! t.~.t· .i]J h<'! · .. i.ntrttE'•nsE!, becauSE! t)JI.'! hdt.JC'! i·.hH '>C '!C clncl longe~;l -rt"i .~rt s·· Cd rrr.Jda l·i:i~iht.~J a y :in UtE: ' co u n i t" y , •; n •: o 11 cl on l y lrJE•• CcHliiO[: I'IOIAJ E~ VE:•n ho s pii ·.;.~J b: :!cl~; .''tnd pi''OPE'I''ly, SO hot~l di"C'! t~k0 on this ·t r· rl n s p o r· t i'.l t :i on i".o On 1·.;.-n'·i o. rt'ld:i l"l[ ·d:.i n OUI" o 1.1 r' ~; c h o o l. ~; tAlE:! go:l.ng t.o •:1 cl d i.

L i. on d J. burdc->.n? 1\Jo l·:tAJi. t h s i".c:~ nd i. n 9 1-". h t·C! po :; i 1". oi.o n ir.Jkenl Mr. Speak<-H', by hon . ttt(~tni:H~r's oppos ·i.l~e, t.~.thPn "LI ·H:! gOUPI"rtiTIPnt chang<->.S, IAJhj ,ch wiJ.1 ~i .. :lpp r:•n VC'!I"Y shor'l -.l.y, lAlf~ IAJil l. s olve ,~ th-.is problem. If I llli"~'J sumtn<H' i.L~:! Lhe pos"i.t i.on 1 have Laken on the amendment and the rc~ason for UtH amr,~ndrnent thai: I have proposed and the non --conf'i.dr'!rtCe mot.Lon i.n l:.ht-?. gover'I1ITIE!nt, Mr'.

SpeakE!r, I have gonE~ o v e r' i:l ""I -, I~ h P f '-~ c ·1··. :> and figur8sl and I do not need to r· I·'' p ('! e1 t: L h r::' 1 n e x c e p I: I· o s u1 nrn d r' i. "I (;! br::iE:'fly that . ::in thE:' last fet..1.J year's Lh -is gouer·nwen1: hH~> cdu~;~,~d Ollt' popuJ.a'l:J ort to COtTlE~ to d dE:! ad haJ.t. and tht'!l"l 1"-.o !;t.·1r·l: l:o dc-}t:l"t~<:'lSt'!. l'ot " the -' l.asr. thr'E:'E:' year's they have-:> C .:-1 I I S t-} d 0 II t' p 0 pI il. i~1 1: ·i_ 0 1"1 1: 0 dE!cr·E~a!;E:!. ThE:!Y haVE:! c:lr'i VE:!n l B, 000 fli'!Opl (o! 0111: or i:h ·i.s Pt'l)

l) i rlCf! so -t hd ·l t hr::•y could i:t"Y and fj nd ·l he lll!c~• .'ll"lS of puU:.i.ng Food on i:hf'!·i .r' f iUII:i ] y 1 S ·1 i'l b] e lAJ:i "l-h a de 9 I" Cc! e 0 r cl i. g n -i, i·. y .:'t n cl ~; e 1 F r' P s p c'! c 1:, I h t:! y /'idiJe :incrE~i'!SE"d !:hE:' I'IUrrtber or pcwpln urwrnpl.oy1 :!d by 13,000, Htt:!Y I 3 7 4-9 June 30 1 1988 Uol XL have increased the number of pE~opl.E~ in l··.h ·i.s Pr·ov -i.ncE! r'E~c~=!:i.vi.ng unemployment insurance by 22,000, and l:hey have i.ncr'(~d s ~=!d l·:he nurnbc•r of pE!OpJ.e in this ProvinCE! l:i.ving b (~ J o I.AJ 1: h e p o v ti! r' 1: y J. '"i. n H b y 3 2 I 0 0 0 .

That is the legacy or lhis ad rn "i. n i. s L r' "~ L ·i o n t. o t h i s P t' o u i. n c E:! , Mr. SpE !aker, and that is E!XactJy l;J h y l: h i s s -i_ cl E:! 0 r 1·.: h H H (ILl !) r-:~ h d s n (l conFidence in th e government and lAth y 1·:1-d ~; 111 0 1. -i u n lAid! '; 1rt o v e d . T 1: also l"ef]ect :s cJ.Pdtn]y t:h( :! op::in::ion o f i·: hI·) v d :; 1.: rn r:t j o 1· · ·i 1·. y o F i he v o 1:. u r · s of Lh~Ls Pl"ov:.Lnce, and as ~=.o o n d ~:; I hI'' ':J h ;_'ll! I'! i. h (! c 0 I II";.) 9 (! I··

I) c '1 -1 1 i Itt ·:· P J e c 'I ::i o n , l h P y t.At: i -1 J g C! I. a 1 1

I) l) ::! ]"' 1,1) h I'' l rli j

i) tJ ! ) (l [: I'!

t) f' ti( )n·· conr · .. idC:.!I'I CE'! cJ·.:ir·f'!Cl]y ft"Ulll l hr • V I) 1·. H t' ~; . I'" h d i l k 'J

I) I I l) (' t' 'J Ill u c: h . ~:;m~r:: liON. MFMfl u~s : HE:!iH', hE:'ar! MR. SIMMS: Mr·. SpeakPr' . MR . SPEAKER : 'The hon . the Pr'(•s:idenL of Lh (• Council.. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hHar! MR. SIMMS: 1 must say, Mr' . SpeakE·r~ the l..eo:ldc~r of lo/"w Oppos i I··.'"Lun i·F,l S stayed true to his constan t po~;·i_l ·::ion s·i.nct::! I:J(~i1 ·1g r:!J.c ~cl ·:c=!d, ·i.f you Wdnt to call it elected. SOMF HON. MEMRFRS: Rottgl·tl".! Hough 1·.:!

M ~~ . ~3TMMS : WE:! ] ] I me rn b e r· s c a n u s e tAl h a t e v E:' r h:!r'nt ·Ut~)y IJI·i .s h. l i:llll itc:l'i : gcl'i .ng t.o say that., :it rn: :ight bE:! cons:idl'::'t"E•cl 1: 0 b ~) 1111 p rlt' l ·i. ,:) ill t! i"l 1: •:\t' ':J . i·IOlliEWI·}l' ', Lilt·) ~;;un::• l.·.dc L""i c hn hc'i~ :; used since day one, back last rnay or' IJ.Ji'WI'lt'!Ver· 'i.l:. IAJi:l: > , jltsl- dfi·.,:!r No. 66 (A f tentoon) R 3 7 4-9

Lh~=!y cl-i_d the k n:ife job on poor· ol cl 1 I ~=~ o 1 o v e I" ·t h e r· Cc1 , j u s t aft e r· h e I:H~ c d 1 n ~) ~~~ l. 1;~ c I~ H cl 1. ,~ i.'l d H r· , i··. h e p ,u· 1·. y 1 ~; p o s j t :i. on on j u ~' l: about E:~ v ~~ r· y -i.S')I]I~', <'!l'lcl J lilll')l-, COIIIpl.·i.llll'!i'll-. 1-.hHIII 011 ·.i.i·, hds b~ .. ~(·n E'!Xdc'i"ly t-hE:• ~;anw, ·i L h•:t:; bc''l'!il i·l rt]I'!'>Sr:lgH of (:nn·;i:;Hli gl.oon1, <'A rnu~;~;etge of consbul'l· doont, 0:1 lill'!S~>i.'l'::JI" OF I;Orh·l·.i:tl'li: i'll;!t,;ji:ll-.i.t.J'i,J:y, <~ 1·1 d <~ rn E'! s ~; a g e of c on s t· a n -L c t • i.

I. 'i. c i. :; n I M.l HOI\J. Mn'lfl r:: II: He cdnnot kE~ep a ~;l:.l"d·.i.ght FclCE! ovt:!r Lht!i"l'!, bE!CdU:>

E) hu knniJ.JS 1,.d·~<:1l·.: hE:' ~;aj.d :.is a lot oF nonsc~1nse. 1\.H~ . ~3TMI'-1S: cons I·: an I~ c I" i. t . .i. c i. s 111 For· 1·.: he sdk t-=! o F c r· :i. t :i c:i ~nrt . I rnust say, clftE!r t.hat speech hE! h d S a l l. 0 f U S 0 V l·H' h E! r· E! S h oi. V EH' i_ n g :i. n o u r· s h o e s , t h e r e i s n o q u e s t i o n about thMt. Mostly whi.'lt hts spC'!ech conta:lned lAlclS persona] <'1 l·: 1·: a c k s u n nw , 1..u h 'i. c !1 :i. ~; ,,, b ·i 1·. s·il"c.tnge. I C:clnnot help :it :if t·h"! hI) n . I'l-l ~-'' I .

I'! ,_ .. , d 1:'' t' u rc 1·. h I'! () p pI) :; i, l i 6 l'l do~··~; 11 o ·l J .i k e rn E'! . T can no I· he 1 p Lh.·ll. I (i'li'Hlol. 111-:•lp ·il. iF r c:Jf=·l: h :i s d <'..\ n d c~~ r· u p . I c <1 n n o t. h E" J p t h a 1 . r~ R . I) ()lr,JF : You shotllcl bE! thclnkful hE:· does no-L l ·i. !< (~ y

I) I I . r.1f~. STMM~): J ~d10uld bE:! Lh<H1kFuJ, !hat :ls r' i, g h l: . Hit 1-. h H rl i. cl d :; h t! ''' liAJI'l y s do~:!S j n hj s pompous, pious tJ.Jay, gt'!r. up and pr·l:!dCh dnd 1.t:!cl".ur·<~, pi"Pach cloorn and gloom, critjc:ize For l:.h(! sdk~?. oF cr"i.l:.'i.cj.z.l.ng, lAJi.l:h no etltE•t"natives to offer. He pr·eachE'!S l·.:o rnE~rnb("!r's of l:.his i·lous(~ about their behaviour and their ac l:.'i.ons i.n l:h~~ i·lousr:1 and thE~ tJ.klY thPy should bE~have and act. MR. I<FI LAND: (Ini:lUd i.bl.H). 1.371)() Jltnr~~ ]0, l9Bf3 lJol. X I. r.1R.

ST.Mr"'S: At least: I expr<~'ssed my FE!E!ling ·-- <·lnd r: IJ.J_i..'ll. ge 1: l:u I·: hi'! trtr:=!rnbur· for· Naskaupi (Mr. Kelland) ntUII]I'!I'l l:,H' i l.y, i.n conj 11nc: I· ion tAri.l:h t h c~! s a mE:~ t lrl n g . I an 1 ·l a 1 ld n g a b o u 1 r·i.•jlll·. i'WI•J, bHildWi.OIII" oj7 rlll~Trli:JC:!i"~; of· th~:! l..egjslclt.ut"C'!, bHhav·.iouJ" of Til(! rtl b r:! I" s !) r Hl I'! : lo II s (,~ . r: (!

X p I" (! s ~:, (;> cl n1y v :i c~'tAJ :i n t. he I" E:' so J u t. :i. on l. h a '1.. 1-h ~" hon. llll:!rnl:ll'!t" I,<Ji·l:> kind Hnough 1-.o r'E!<'l.cl publicly agajn fOI" ITtE:·, <'1ncl I dppi"f:!Cii:tl·c:• l·_hi:l'l ... , br:•C•1U':.c! J l'ltr'!•'tnt tAJhat J sa::i.d :in that t'·E·~:;oJutjon.

T 1·. t•Jd s no 1-. 'i. n r·H ~; po n •:; r=• l·.:o t: he' 1E~ngthy r'E'!~;o1ut·.:Lon, thE! char·acle 1:: h i:ll". h c:! p l.l 1--. r Cli" I:. h i:'t fC (>IJ.J 1110 ITW n 1:·. s befot"e !:hat:, that: J.E:!I'l~JI~hy r· r=• so l.u L: i u n on 1·. he t' d i. 1iAld y . r: 1:. had nothing l:o do IAlit:h that, it: has lo do IAJ'i,l·h l:l1u l.ear.IC'!t' oF LhP Opposition and the L·.ibt=or·a] Par·ty 1 s consl .. dnl': pos'i.l:.'i.on un evt:!t'Y 'iss1.11?. in Newfoundland and Labrador. f'hdl: :Ls 1..uhy :r: sa-i.cl hr,:! should l"f'!l.l. the truth the whole truth and nothing b11'l" Lhe ·l ... t"l.l Lh, ··tnd I: lrlf'!i:'tn t '1.1-.:, Mt".

Spt=!akE·r·. T rrtE:•<'II·il':. --.11.. b e L 0:1 1 1 ::; I'! h (·~ d o t! ~; n u I , d 1·1 cl L I 1 e y d o nut . They s E:! J r:• c t 1.~1 h a I L h E:• y IJ-1 <:·\ n L lu P''':;:; 01.11·, i:\1-1. ll1e nc:><:=Jdr.i.,Jr,, etspE:1Ct.s of anyth::i ng that rn:ight bE! i.'l r' o 1 1 n cl , b ul: l. h 1·:! y n I'! lJ e r· , '~ v u r· lrlOnl:·i.on i.'li'lY oF l·:h1:! po~;'i.i:'iVI·'!S, IIH l,,:•t:l'.llr'es us o:r:; l:o hniAJ IJ.I(~1 sho11.ld Clct :-in the l.e~JjsJa'l.ut"l:' a~; rnt=•ntbc'•t"~; or i·he 1-iou::.r~'.

T IAJi~;h hu IAJOuld take -1: hE· 1: i m ('! to 1 E~ c t.-. u r· E! s o Ill E~ ill(~tltber·s oF h·i S CJIJ.JI'l Cdi.ICUS. l'll\1 l-ION. MEMBER: LikE! who? MR. SIMMS: L."i.kf:! r.he Hll·~nlbC'!t' for· Naskaup .. i., IJ.Jho does not have the couragE• of hj s conv:i.ci:.Jons; h'~ doe~; nol:. havE:! the courage to say publjcJ.y what he 1'.: r· i. r=! s l o s i'l. y i. n 1·.: h i. s H o u ~; C'! t: h r· o u g h passing little notes around the I • r:! g .'i. s J. d !··. u r· e , n a s l·: y J. ·i, 1·: l:. l. H c o rnrn C:1 n t. s about :1 nd:i viduals in thE• 1\J C) (j (j ( () f /:!'! r· n o n n ) :n '/So

LegisJcH .t.un~~ - And then 1:ha-t samE! incJi .v·i.cJudl r~r'OIII I!IJ.i.nclsor· RuchdnS' thE:' Lei:td~~l" of t-he Par·ty, has the g R 1 1 1: o g t'! I: u p ·i. n 1: h ·i. s H o u 5 ~~ a n d lc,~ctur·e us on thE! way we per·form or· act. Why dUE!S hE! not . spt:!ncl s orne Li. rn e t~J i 1: h h i s o tAm mE' rn b e r s ? . Whi'tl-: I arn t·.aJki.nq abouL, Mr·.

Speaker, may very well become publ .i.c, b~~causc-:! i··_hlc~ lllt'!lllber· invo]vE!CJ '.:ls qu·.iLr:' upSE!t by it: and L n t l'! n d s , T u n d l:' r· s 1-. a n d , L o t' c:-1 i. 5 e r-1 po·j 11t of pr·:iv:l J E~gc=• t;.ri th lnespE!Ct t·:.o 1--.he 11Jd , .. ~-r'!r ' . NOIAJ, i.n his of F{·:!IAI b r~ ·i. (-:~ F ~~~ : :~ rn c-1 r' k s J I·. h '~! I t':!dde l" l h (! Opposj ·I i.c1n a~> kc,'d 'Who is go ·i.nq l.o bl:.'l .i.c-;Vf'! L-.l-1.-11 l•ll'! L\ri l] l"tHI ou ·l· of ntcHH c;y hy I ho end of Ji.fl 'll<!?' l nrc ,,; ·,,l, dnc=•:; he t-:I·J'i nk tAlC'! i-li"E,; jus ·(· clo:ing ·ti'J·js fol" fur1?

T h c-; r' ~::• "' :; o n 1~1 c-; I'!

t) o k c-; c:l c: l o :; 1.1 r· '" , "' n cl I 1~Jill ge t to ·t~hat, Mr·. SpE:~cd<er·, 'L :; b I'! C: d 1.1 S e IA)f-:~ hi:\

l) H t:•\ r·c-!spot1sJ bil j I y as t.he gover·nrnenL Lo L:hc·) Pf:'Ufl}H or i:h i .. :; Pt'C)l)'i .i'l(l:' l·.o l" n :; U I'· E-' I. h d ·(· l hat· b U cl g t::• l :i. s p d s s c;! d by i

I) d i,l_y . T h :'! r· "-' i-ll'' I'' r· f~ i~ ~;

I) n :; r

I) r' :il, IAIIJ.icll J t..~rLll (.lut]·:.inE'. NotJ.J, hP Cdut.·j.oned hi~; r'E'i'lletr·ks today by changi.ng what he salcl publicly, outside. He is quoted in UH:! nc-?.tAJSfli3tpHr' t.oday as say·i.ng there has only been six and a haJf h o u t' s - I L h i. n k i. t s rl i. d s · i. x a n d ,;1 half hours - on the budget clr::!batr::!. Today I•.Jilal·: hr~ lflt!..-\nl-: I~JdS, it has only been Five hours by Hlf'!rnber·s oF ll·w Oppos i.f·:.· ·i on. ~-,J P l.l , M r· .

S p e ,,, k (! r' , r11 em b t:! r· s on 1·. h .l s side and l:he• TTIE:!rnbei"S dotAln :in thE:' corn( -)t' ar·e l'!nL"i.l•l.ed l:o spc-~;_.1k ·i.n cHIY dE:~ bc:d E:• . (.)N HOr-J. MFMHFR : ( t:ndudiblc-)) . rJJ r~ . :u r-1~~:3 : T h i:J. L :i ~; a n P x d rn p l E" o f Lll h i'l. t T a rn 1-.d -l.k·i.ng <-1bouL. ·nwy ~;el,=·c:l : I.<Jhdl-. ·tl·wy I~J<'.HJI ·l o put. out . 1.3 7 f)l J u rw 3 0 , l 9 B B Vol XI. ., .. The fact of the matter js, Mr . Spt~akHr', l::h('!t·~:! hi'l!> br::!r::•n n·i.nc:! hour's and nineteen rninutE!S of dE!bate on the budget.

We have spent six days on th~~ budgE!t dE!bate out of o u r· l. e g i. s 1 a 1- i. v e p r· o g r'i.'llll s , s i x days. We have had seventy--five hour·s oF <'!S+ .lrnatos d<=!bal.:c,', and IJ,.Jr~ all know that debate on the budget 'i.nc-ludc:~S cll~br.-11~_,,! c)n l·.:hc-~ c,>sl:.i.ITlal:us, n o t j u s t t h e b u d g E! t d e b a tE! . ~~~ E! h t:1

t) e hi:-\ d ~=; e v I'! n I".Y · F i. v e h ou r· !; on \':.hat, dl1d IAIE• hdVE! had njnr::• hOllY'~;; dnc:l n .inel:•r'!ll 1ninul ·_:-=!~; ,,n l .. _hH bt .id,:Je>L debato. In Fact, th(;• conlnliLLE·e~-:: L\111 i. d1 cl u .-d 1·. 1>1-i.l- . h Uw f'! ,,; i i lrti'l 1·. u !; spPI 'Il mor·c'! tha11 ·l.hc• fo1"ty - 0':ive I 10 1 1 r· !;; <·\ ·1 ·1 u c: >'~ l ::• c:l i o I. lit· :! 111 . 1· h H y ~;pE:•rJ-t-· rnuch rno1"e than that. M l ' L' ' I I I I y E'!!; ··:.JITIC\ 't'J(JI'l :1S (- 'ldl:.

IAJ('! 'ldVE:! 'ld C !)Oiii('IAJil!-)i"H iH:! tH ' 'I()() hUllt'·~;; of:· cif:•i:Jd-1--::! a1·1d cornmr::~nt.s on the E:!S L:i .rncd.es and L h c-; b 11 r:1 g c-) 1: . ~.J o1~1, r·~~-- . :-> p -~ t:·\ k :=! r' , 'i. r: that :.i s not en o IJ g h, I cl o no L k n 01~1 hnt>J nntc:h i. ·imc-; l..h(-:• hon . rnHrni:H:!r's tJ.JoulcJ I"E'<1LLii"E~. But J wt ITI(' j u~; 1:. shoiAJ yoc1 hOIAJ n1uch of,.\ F,:-1lldcy t h j S a I" g U Ill E! 11 t j S , fJI r· . ~~ p E! i'l k E• I" . Th::!y lldVH nol ··. hdcl l.-.-iln::. 1--o ~;pt=:!dk on U1 E'! b u d g e t . M r· .

S p E! a k E! r· , cl o y o u knniJJ l.:hdt: l::ht:!I"E~ ar·1;! Fir~t:een Liberals over there now, or f o u r· t c->. E'! n , cl n d 1·: e n of ·i: h o s <'! rn e rn b r::~ r· s have spoken j n HIE! budgE!t dr::!I:JatE!? T n n o F t·~ h f.! 1r1 ·i. n L ~H? b u d g e +: d e b Cl t e . AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaud:ibl.(~) . MR. SIMMS: Yc,~~;, nn 1--.hn mo-1-.:ion. Ten l.·ibnr'd1s haVE! spokc:~n in the budgr::!t debclt:.e, -1-.hc,~ t)r;•r·y cl:-~bc1 L::. I: hey Sdlj I: hey hatH'! no1: hr.ld C'!nough l·:imE• to 1:-d] k ;_.1b<)IJI·. .

TtAJO ··i·.h·i.r·cls c)F l·:hl~ir· onl'. i.r'C'! cctucus haVt::! spoken :in l:he budgEd.: d !'! b i:\ i ·. C bJ l:' h ,., V I'! h i:\ d f~ .. i_ q h f·. H f'! 1'1 speak~rs :in total. ThaL is d t' (-) i'l !) 0 l'l i:1 b 1, (! •'\ nil) I I n 1·. () r 1-. ·i I'll,,, l". 0 I:H! Spt:!nl-: on !~he bucigE:•l . d<:'bdt(~ j l.,S('•J f 1~1 h •·:! n yo 1 1 c on !; i cl r,, r· 1-. h ('! r' I'! "" r· (! n 1:' H r·· 'l,y 100 hout"s sp(:'nt ded]:ing IJ..J·.:i.th the No. 66 ( fl F i·: e r· n u o

n) R3751

e r. t j rna b>. s . Not>~l, Ml". Spr::!etkPr, last weEd< we 111 i. g h t h.:-~ v E>. br::!t:• n ab 1 (:• t-.o c d 11 1: hf:' budget debatE~, but IAJhat hdppened l .. ~ s 1: IAH'' H k ·i n Ud s H!) 1.1 s !'! r 0 t' 1:1110 0 t' I 1·11" E-! E:! day~;? You t. Cl 1 k abo u '!-' CJ. 17 i l. 'i.l:l 1.1 :; 1·. r'! t' ! 1·1!:· ·;;·1 y ~; IH~ d ·i cl no I. f·.iJ:lbtiS'l'.E!I". Wl1a'l. IJ.Jould you call i. i. , t-1r' . ~) p r'!, 1 k (·H'?

I" !1 f! y go i. 1.1 p n n i:\ 1nol.:ion, Ol" <:HI Oi"ciE:!I'' oF t·hp Oay d t::!d -1 ·i ng 111 i I h ~;(Jill I·:! pi(·:! c 1·:! n r ]H~j:L~·;Jcd.lOII thi·tl hdd di:J~;o]Ul..E~Jy nol:h·ing 1-u c:ln '•Jilll I:IH~ l"i-\'ill~k\y, CJ. r 1 cl t 1·, E:! y s p Cc! n t: l"IAI o n j g h t s a t l. e"' s 1·-, b•Jo cl .:~ y s , d u !:l i:l. 1. ·i n !j 1-.I·H'! I" d ::i l1J.J d y , 1·1 o 1 d ::i n g u p t h (;! H o u s P . ~30Mr I· ION. MFMH E RS: Why should IAI(:• nn!-:.? MR. SIMMS: How were we going to call the budget clebdt.l'!, Mr. Spr:>.ab:!t'?

Thc;!y can yell and bal.I.Jl all they want, but. t a1n go i.ng to rnakr>. my po.i.nh;. It Js pretty obvious that when the Cdl: . .i.S f\IAklY l·.hH IWicr:• IJ.r.i.-1.1. pl_,:ty. R e c a u s e lA I h P n h <" j ~; h e r· e , t h E'! y d o no I~ opt·=·n l:he'i.1·' lllllU l:hs, i·:hrc•y ;ci.pper· ·H1E:~:i I" rnout.l1~;, Ml". Speake!". Not.v, Mr·. ~:ipeai<E,~r, that ought to be-:! (:~J'lOUgh, n(:~c\t'll) 1.00 hOIIt'~) of'" dE!bi:li-:f:' on a budgr::.t of $2. 9 biJ J Jon. Ml". !)pt·)i·l!<r:•t', do you knUltl h0111 lflllCh 1: i.nl(! t h ~! y ~; p E'! r1 d d E:!I:J i:d' :i. I' I g ·Uw b 1J cl g Ed j n 1.1'11'!

H 0 II •; c-:• o i C OliiiiiO l'l :; , i.ll!'! I·Hli. i. t' (! bud~JE:Ot. Fo1·· Cctni'.icla? Thc,~y ~;pE:Hicl si.x d o:l y s cl C:! b i.~ I ·i_ n g i:l b 1.1 d g !'! I·. of ~!> 1 ?. "i b :i. J J .i o 11 ~) j x d a y s ! H e I" c,• lA I~:. h iolV e a. b u d g E:' ; . 0 r l. ('! s s l: h d n $ :J b ·i. ll ·j 0 n . WE! hdVE!

SFJE:!I'l"L s:ix dc..tys in OUI" OIAJn pdt'J.:i.dlliC>rlt, <~l'lcl IAJE'! h.:-lVC>. h,::td U.vo---th:.ir·ds of l:.he L.ibeJnals speak ·in -1-.:hE:O cJ~?.bdl~c,~, dricl IAIE:O hdVf:! hi:ld seventy--five hours in our E s 1: i.ma h~ s COJruni 1:'. b>. c:! s , IAih r,n•f;! budget. est:irna-Les and budget jterns ar'E! obviously debatc,~d and discussed. So, Ml". SpE!aker, l.I.Jhat a l.l.wak ar·guJrJ(:•nt l.:he l.r=!aclt:!r' of l·.he Opposition tries to make. U'7S2 June'! 30, l91lB Vol XL ~). Mr. Speaker, I understand that the l..eadr::!r' of l:hE>. OpposiL·ion has not.: sat in this HouSE! for· b.~JenLy yedr·~;.

T under·s L:.:-1nd l:hdl-.. ()nd I undE:!r·stand t;.Jhat i:.he pr·ocE•ss was l i.ke 1-.:IAJHnty yedt's o1go: Thnr·E:! IAJdS n o d e b a t (c! . T h e r· E:' l.l.li'l s n o Q 1.1 E! ~; I. ::i o n P c'! t' ·i. o d . T 11 c-:• r· C! IAii-1. ~=; 11 o f u ::; s ·i n , .. i·H'! House. No, because therP were only o:\bOIII: hAlO Ot' l:.ht·c:·e in Lhf'! Opposi·L:i<JI'I. ~30 hE• CUIIIf:>~; back l'lOJ..U, r'f'! i_ il c i'll'' i'li'l I e cl o'l :; i.\ pol ·i -1--i c "'l. ]r::!adt:!l", ancl Lt.JiH1I:.s Lo cl1ange Lhe l''Ul. ,,, ~; . l,,]c,! "I l , l,h·· . ~-)pH ,:J!u:!

I'' , l.Jlt:! pIn d c t ·.) c ('! ::i n t hi s I E~ g :_i_ s ] i'\ ·I IJ I'' ('' :i ~; i.HH.I h i'l :; b (!I'! i l ·j_ J"l I h :;! FJ •'·1 o:; 1 .. 1 l h iJ l.: Li.lhE•n thC'!

E'!S 1::-:i.mates haVE! bE"E:'I'I c on c l U ci H d , I h e ~; lco V ::• n 1·: y F i 1.1 r:• h 0 u I"' '> of con:; l.:ant dE=•ba-L.e, ancl l.J..Jhr:'n CEH'L,linJy Li;,IO-·i:h·i.l"ciS oF hi.~; CdUCU•:; have spokE!n in the dE!bcd:E'!, jt :is nol ... unusual, and i.l:_ cr'.!r·l-:.d.·.inly has happened in thE! past, that you put: aside the budget debaLe itself, this motion that we,, aJ"E' nol.I.J c.IE>.bat:-.·i.ng, dnd I'IIOVE:! on l::o ol-:hcc.J" items. Mr. SpE!aker, that has bE· en 1-:he pr·acl··ice, l".h;::tl-is the:' tr·ad:i t:ion.

I. oit:er·aJ.ly, !Ale had no cho::i ce but: l::o do '"'Jh.:t 1: ltJt:.• h..:tcl i".O clo l··.oddy, Mr·. SpE!etkE:'I". L:i telnCIJ.] y' l.I.JE! had no cllo·i_t;e. i'Hoplc• hi:llJf' i:o bE:. pi:t i.d, and there are a Jot of other i'' 1:! i.--t ~:; on s . rndt-:!f)d, l.hr-) l'llt'!TII!JHI'' for• ::·oqo, -i.n rd:.i sJ ng h:i.s po-j nt of OJ"ciE:•J" today, cl.l,'i'tr··ry oi.nd·i_c;:liYd Uwy l;,wr·e not-.: gojng to foJJol.I.J Lhts norllla1 pr·r:·\cl·:ic,:., l:hHIJ ''li:!r':=• no!-: go"Lng l:.o aJ.Jol.I.J thE! budget L.o pc~ss, and madE:! !>OIIH:O ~;·illy suggf:.~;I·'Lon Lhal ..

L•lt"! shouJcl put Forth an lntE•d.m Supp1y Ri.ll i~h'i.s <'lft.er·noon. My God! .it takes W(:~Ed<s, Mr. SpE!akE!In, to c o n s u l 1:. IAri. I: h t h e d ('• p a r· t HI~=! n t. s , a n d it takes weeks to anaJyzE• thE:' requesl:.s of i:.he dHparl':.menl:.s. Mr·. ~3pf>.aker·, rndybe they will operate 1.: hi'\ I:_ j_f 1\Jo. 66 ( () r 1·. ::•I" l'l 0 0

n) i.s !:he IAJay thE•y E!VE!I~ fB 7r;2

For·n, l·.he goueJ"I'ITTIE:•nt, Cod heJ p us! [ do no L bel . i ,,, u 1-:! H1H y 1~1i.ll . s i L dot.>.m on r..t 1~1h:irn ctnd wr· ·.ite up f..l bj.Jl and !) d y , 'I~Jt ,~ IAkl n t '!i3 00 Hri.l. 1 J. on . ' SO f.II F. liON. MFMfl FRS: Oh, oh! MR. STMM~3 : will hc!UE! an My colleagues uppor·Lt.lni.l··.y Lo this debat(;!. g(c•l:. i.nuol.lJecl i.n c o n t. i. n u ~~ 1,1,1 j 1 ... h rn y I wou]d like to train of Lhought . Mr~. wr::u .:~: I haue some sympathy (inaudible) . MR. SH-1M~3: y (l(J s E! (C!

J Oppo!;.i .J:·ion the Leader of hr:1s syrnpo:'ll-.hy for· Ill!;! . flnyllklY, Mt'. ~)flCc'd!<fH', CEH''lcdJtJy :irupJ:iE:•d t.hi'.lt. MR . P~TTFRSON : l: h (:~ J·:hr-:! Y Ynl.l hc\I.Jf' no SYiflpi:ll-.hy ror· 1:111 •:! l.iber ·a J Pca· ·~y I.>.J:ilh t1·1e:ir· sd lar·y pr·ob 'l 1-:!lll, no ~;ynlpc1.1 hy ;~1.1-. i·lll. 'J' I·1ey i.-H:('! I:H~g~.ri ng f'or· n1onPy ctnd you ar·r:• f'l .~;!c:.c i.ng LhUIII l·.o dr,!i:'l.l .h . You ~dlOu]d be g.iu ·ing ~'OITH:' of yoUJ" own lflO 1'1E! y 1·: o I-_ h (,~ p iH' l: y . MR. STMMS : Thi'lnk you. I'-1R.

TU I.K : -- ---- A p o i. n i: o f o r· d e r· , r"' r· . s p e a kf:! r· . MR. SPEAKfR (GrHen i.ng) ; Ot"der·, pleaSE:'! A poi.nt: of or·dr:•r·, l".hc,~ hon. rnernb, ,·r· for· Fogo . MR . TLI LK : I·. he T. IAJOUJ.d d s k I: h e ~) p o .:-1 !< e r· 1·. o s ~~ ,.~ t hcd . the->. S 0 1-:l'lr·lf: Tl"E~r.tSUI"Y ·l:r·;.,-i ,n of hon. ge->.nt ·J E!rnan ·j s quiet. 1·. h c,~ h 0 n . 1: h (·~ p r· I'! s ·i, d r,, n I:

I) r H () d l" d d (.l E:! ~; 1'1 0 t-. ] 0 ~; E:! h j s I.JiOLlgh 1. MR. :nr ·1W~ : I 37'13 JUI'IE:! 30, ]9138 Vol XI Thc:'r ·e j s no poinl of or·dE!r, Ml ". ::) fl ~~ a !< ,,~ r· . MR. TOBTN: Mr·. Speai<E~r, to that poo:int of or'df'! r·. MR. SPEAKER : To t: h ('! p o ·i n 1.-. o F o I" cl u r· , 1:. h t-:! h o n . the Minjsfer of Socja] Servjces. MR . TOBIN : Wo u·l cl l: h c~ h on . 1 .. 1·1 t:! I'll''! 111i:Hn' bE ! qu:iE!t, as lAJt=·l1, 50 hon. J'IIHI'Ilbf:!r' can sp1-:!<·1k? MR. SPFAI<FI~ : I~ or· t:hal: J70tj0 the Ther'r '! i.s no po ·i111·. of or·dc'!r . ~~f~. ~>TMW>: I 0 n J y h d U P d f (;!

L\1 ITI :i n U l: (;• ~; J 0 f 1:: , i-lnd 1-hc-:!r'c-:! ;:lr'H i'l c:uup·l t'! of l:·.h ·Lil<JS T l.-IJant to gc:'t l::o IAJhich Lh(,~ L.ei:!dE!r' of l:hc-~ Oppn~d .t:ion ·~lcldi"C!~;sc-:!d, l'i.kr~ cHI e J e c t :i. on . I hope I h ct u '~ a F E.~L~I nri.ntti-.c·)S l.c-:!rl- few l:h< ~11 .. flul- . l.hi .:; :iS l hE:' S :i] 1 y E! XC USE! l: hE! y rna k P .

J l'l !;: ltrrilll·H'Y' r·-h · .. :)p!·)o•l!<::!r'' h::.l "l:! i ~; IAihdl-. he :-a:id: ,-WE! d:id noL hdUE· -LilliE' to d 1;! b i:l L c<! 1·.11 ''! bud g n t . ' Y (:! l: , LLAJo -- th:ir·cls of l·l'.is caucus hauE:· c:ll.r·odd':} spokc:!n l·.o l:h(:' bt.tclgtC~I:. debate.

Two- ·l:hir ·ds of l:hern! 1 We hdUf'! only spenl:_ f·iue <:-1.nd d half hours on it . 1 In thE! paper· hE· s ,:~ y s , ' T h e r· E:! h au E:! o n l. y b c E! n s .i. x and a haJ F hours on j t.' ThE> fact is , l:·.hHr'E:• hd!> bet:!l'l n·i.tli·' i:llld l::iAJenl·_y rnj nui'.E!S on thE! budget. dE:•bat:E•, Ml". :') p t:! d k c:. r· . ~) o IAJ e h d u o 1:: o r· ,,, rn (! rn be r a]] that. r~(:•rnt~lrlbt:!r' l:hi.~l· . i.n 1-..hl·:· IIOl.ISf:! c)r Cornrnons !-:hey spPnd :dx days clf~bi:ll·i .ng <·l :!>l?.

r) bi.l-l·i .on bt.ldgcc.l: .. Mr· . SpE:~akc-:>r ', ~i f they can do jt For d ll. o F C i:lll ;-1. d ;~ , s 1 1 r' r-~ l y h '~ •~1 v E'! n s 1". h ·i. s ·ls p]E:'I'lty of l·:irnE• for· u~; Lo debate OilY' buc:ign1 :. l l'l(! fli"Obl t:!lll iS 1':1-H'!Y haup ind:i eel'! Pd 1 hPy L~ril l no 1.. pds:; 1:l H~ l.J 11 ely •·~ I . 1·11 <"!. I i !:: I" h r' '.ind· .:Lcdtion th(~ TTlE!Tilbel'' f(.ll" Fogo llklclc-~ ·in hi~; poinl · of IH 'dE! r'. 'l;'llc:. No. 66 (Af te r·noon) 1\3753

will. not pass the budget. You bring ln some Interim Supply or $ ()I f1 8 1~. h "i. l'l 9 1 i_ k I'! l: h r:l i: , i.-11') d l.u I:! Ul i. 9 h f: co-··Opc->.rat.e there. 1 So !AJhat. cho:ice !AJEH'E:~ !AlE~ Jefl !Arit:h, r.ll r· . ~) p : :! a k e r· ? 1,~ 1:! I 1 o.:t 1; (:' p r:! u pl ~~ , p u b 1 i c: ~; E:• r· v a n t· s :i n ~; o 111 E~ g o v E·! r· n ITI e n t cl ''' p r"~ r· I: 111 1::~ n 1·. s , IAJ h o 1}1 o 1 1 'l cl no I: i" c· c I·) ·i 1; ,,, t-h (! :i 1'· J u J y 6 p d y c h c,~ q u e .

That i. s a j,:tc l.. r·lJCo!llli.JI'!t'': ; llk1Y 1'10 l· bl·)l ·j r:l)(! ·j l:, b 1.1 ~ :i l j s (:.1 f d (:'[ . () l d ~; i d (:! ~) '!'. J o ln ·1 1 ~; I !'. J It ) s e c 11 t-:~ q t ~<-:~ ~; .·lr · t-:! cJ.i~; ·li'·ibu ·lr:d by Ju]y .!i, cuh-.ich js l'-1uncl;ty. i\Jo1~1, r·-11". ~')PU •'i.k l':l ", T r-\1'11 pi''E:pcH'l'!cl l 0 ] ·j ~;'l-:E~I'I l::o fiiY ur::-ril;idl~;. ~~~~)

I) h<1VH pr'l'!fli.H'Hd !:hi· .: :i.r,fonnrdio1 ·1 fol" ITIE!, long bcc•fOI''l':' I 1 i ~; l. C:! l'l 1-. o ·i. n d ·i 1; :·i. d u .. ~ 1 :; u v l'! r· 1: hI'! r· H . T il( :! I" E! (J b v j ()us J y IAJO u l cl b t=• !.1 i. f" F ·i c u J. ~~ y I~J-i . 1: h go v P r· rHil<'! 11 t-.·. I'IH'! P 1- i n <d its daily operating expenses to t' u n p t' o g r· d HIs t h a t L t. i. s s u p p o s (;' d to run , like hospital operations a n d a l.l. 1: h E>. s E>. o L h H r· t. h L n g s . r her· ::• will be some difficulties associAted wi~h ~hclt.

N E! lAJf o u n cl J a n cl b u s i n c;! s s E! s c o u J cl b E! h U (' 1·. , b (;• C i"l Ll S (! 1: hE'! 9 0 V l'! r' 1'1 lfH'' n 1-. \AIO Ul. d r1o'L havE=· ·LhE• Funds Lo pay Lhe bi.ll~; i:hr:•y OIAil~. T 111ecHl, i".hat: would not help . Capital consi:r·uc 1-.·i.on pr·ogr<-11r1S t;Joul.d obvious]y be staJJed jf funding js no 1: o:1 p p r· o 1; r,~ d . A 1\J H 0 1\J . r.ll F 11-HH·: i? : lie' IAIE' (liJ.JCo! iHlY fTICHIPY l.o llcH'l"Y? Mix. ::aMr·~~:;: Pub l i . c s c.~ r' 1; i U) !) , 1 i . k I·) i ·i. t' I·) i i. g l1 l: ·i. n g ~li"OtC:!C·lion, 'l.hE:!t'E~ IAJOU]d be d ·i f f i. c u ll i.

I·~ :; IAri. 1". h j ·. h () ~; I·) . T I)('! t' 1:' C.H' c: d J J ld n d s of o t h E:' r· l" e a s o n s , r"' t' . ::; p 1::~ ;:1 k t·) r· . T h ') !; r,~ i:1 t' t:' j u !; 1·. a f E:~ IJ.J . T h e p o :i n t .i. s , tAle h a v E! a r e s p o n s i. b 1. l. i. 1·: y i:1 s L h H g o v e r· n 1 n H n 1·: to E:!nsurCo! t:hclt thE• funds arE! a p p r· o pI" .i a h=! d . T n h~ r· J tn ~3 up ply i. s pl'·ov:idE~d. baSE!d on a thr·ee rnonth projection by every tncliuicludl depar·trnt::~nt and agE!ncy. They p t' o j e c t: 1·.: h '~ -L r· (;! x p (:! 1'1 s ('! s F o r· d t: h r· e ('! L 3 754.

June 30, 1988 Vol XL 111onl:.h p(oH'i .ocl, I:Ho'Ci'IUSf~ undr'•t' nor·rnal. practices and in other YE!ars, b,>.for·r:! 1-hE:' Trll~lllb(=!r' For· Wi .nclsor· Buchans got in the House and tried l~ o l: .~ k u l·: h ::• H o 1.1 ~; e on h i. s b A c k , tl":iE~cl to chr.lnge all of thE· I"U1E!~ ; . I;Jr,' IAJ•:• I" r-:• F :i. n ·i. ~; h (! d IAJ·i. 1·: h 1-·. h r:• bud q e 1·: by LhP end of Jun~~. and i:hE"I"C:' 1.4Ja~ :; n [) 1·: d d i r ,~ ·i I; ill 1: y . I r- 1: 1111'! other· j II:; ·J. 1: (l Il l; iJ spul":i ou~; b I'' i.F! f::'l y 0 l'l h :i c; C (J !Tilli