Volume 1 PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND THIRTY-SIXTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND 1st Session VERBATIM REPORT Friday, June 9, 1972 SPEAKER: THE HONOURABLE JAMES M. RUSSELL Number 27

June 9, 1972; Tape 646, Page 1 -- apb The House met.at 3,00 p.m. Mr. Speaker in the Chair. NR. SPEAKER: Order! On Wednesday upon the callin~ of Orders of the Day, the Government House Leader called Motion (14), the Hotion standing second among private members' Motions on the Order Paper. The hon. member for White Bay South rose to a Point of Order, stating that under the Standing Orders, private members' Motions should be called in the order in which they appear on the Order Paper. He was quite correct.

As it later appeared from his statement: the calling of r-'otion (14) by the ·hon. the Government House Leader was in pursuance of an agreement between the Government and the Opposition. I have obtained a transcript of that day's proceedings and I cannot find any Point of Order specifically arising. The hon. member states and I quote; •·According to Order (16) the Speaker himself must call the Orders in ac·cordan ·ce with the order in which t:hey appear on the Order-Paper." Standing Order 16(

a) says; "All items standing on the Orders of the Day (except Government orders) shall be taken up accordjng to the procedure assigned to each on the Order Paper.n The hon. member seems to ob.1 ect to the Government House Leader informing tl1e Speaker of an agreement which he and the hon. memher had made. I cannot rule this to be a Point of Order.

In addition he says in part ·(and again I quote): ''I would ask Your Honour to make a ruling on the Point of Order that I am now raising,_either now or at some subsequent event or at some subsequent occasion, in anticipation of any problem arising on this matter." Beauchesne, Citation 71, (2) says, in part: Quoting a Speaker of the Canadian House of Commons; "It is generally agreed that it would be impossible for me ,to give a decision at this time on a Point of Order to be raised in the future." There are other references; but the hon. member is well aware.

I am sure, that! the Speaker may not decide questions that may arise in the future. Since the hon. member states that 2006 .....

apb--2 this request is made in anticipation of any prohlems arisinr, I cannot therefore give a ruling. MR. ROWE: We of course, without any question whatsoever, accept your rulinp; in the matter. Yet with Your Honour's le11ve and the leave of the House. I would like to mal<e one little point of explanation, if that is okay. MR SPEAKER The honourahle member h11s leave. ··--- .. }'l'R ROWE: Thank you, Sir. the point was that unfortunately no mention of any agreement m11de between the House Leader and myself was specifically mentioned on that day's proceedings.

The point I tr:led to make and d:ld not express very well on that day, was that it is incumhent upon the Speaker to call the first Order aPnear:lnp on the Order Paper and at that point the House Leader would presum11bly rise in his place and say ''w:I th leave of the Housr can we proceec1 to Order or Motion such and such?,. Of course, he would then have the consent of the House and then the Speaker would cal 1 that. The only reason T rose on that ~oint of Order last day was, that al though evervthinf" is sweetness anc1 l ir:ht now, there may come a t,fme when it mipht not be so.

J wanted to mal<e sure that no wronp precedent was established last time when this Po:lnt of Order was ra:lsed. I wanted to make sure that no precedent was estahlished wh:l.ch might he to the detriment of members of the ]louse on both sides in the future. I would submit, Sir, it was not a hvpothet:lcal, Your Honour has· treated it as such and of course, we npprcciate Your Honour's rulinp: and we will abide by it. PETITIONS : }fR.

ROBF.PTS· We are into Pet:!. tions, I am not sure the procedure for raising it, althou12:h Hnnsard the verbatim reports are. not an official record of the proceedinp;s of the House, our -journals are the official records, nevertheless, Hansard are the readily available public records and there is an error that I think is serious enough to brinr- to the attention of Your Honour. I do not know how else to go about it. 2007

apb--3 It" is found on 1597 of t he Hansa-rd fot: this session, dated 'l'uesday .lune 6,which was distributed yeste-rday afte-rnoon. Jt is with -reference to the petition b-roup:ht before the !louse hy the rnemher fot: Placentia West on which there was some discussion and Your Honour had to rule on a couple of points. Subseouently t here was a recorded divisjon. As L recall it (I have not checked the ,1ournaJ.

s) every member voted :In favout: of the mot:!.on. Hansard, presul'.lably ft:om hab:!.t has the members of the p.over nment votinir for the motion a1,d those of us on this sicle of the llouse, Sir, vot:!.nr asi:ainst iL T wonder :!.f the approoriate action could he tal<en to correct that . 2008

June 9, 1972 Tape 647 NB - l The whole point of our requesting the motion, on this side, is that we wished to record our votes. Nonnally, for say a word, one would not bring it up, but I think this is important enough - so I do raise it now. MR. WOODWORTH: Mr. Speaker, I beg leave of the House to present a petition on behalf of some sixteen hundred and eight voters from the Town of Happy Valley, Labrador. The prayer of the petition is this~ "We the undersigned wish to bring to your attention the deplorable con­ dition of our water in the town of Happy Valley.

The present system was installed eight years ago and is completely unsatisfactory, We cannot drink it, we cannot wash in it. It ruins our clothers, our washing machines, our heating systems, etc. To our knowledge, our town council has done every thing in its power to have this corrected but apparently through the lack of funds and other resources they have been unable to correct the situation. We refuse to pay any further water bills until it is • rectified. We humbly ask you to use the powers of your office to immediately initiate government action to correct our problem.

We hereby request from your government a firm commitment by June 13, 1972, on what action will be taken to correct this problem." Mr. Speaker, if I may add a few words in support of this petition, This has been a serious problem as it is in the town of Happy Valley for a period of now three to four years. I think the problem itself is being brought about chiefly maybe because of the insulation being· inadequate at the time of the initial installation of the water system. Then again, it has been partly caused by natural causes of the erosion from the Hamilton River banks. So, Mr.

Speaker, this is a very serious problem. I will be talking about this on the Estimates for Municipal Affairs and Housing. I would like at this time to present this p~tition to the house and have it related to the department to which it relates. MR. MURPHY: Mr. Speaker, I would like with all the energies I have to sup­ port this petition. In supporting the petition I am afraid that I am not 2009

June 9, 1972 • Tape 647 NB - 2 giving the nec~esary relief or cure that this very grave matter requires, This has been an ongoing thing, This did not happen since January 18. It has been on the go for a number of years, It is due, according to what we understand, the conditions in the river itself, The water is procured from the river itself, I have attended several meetings, particularly with the town council there, Alternate ways of supply water to Happy Valley had been discussed through MOT and also from the Jmerican Base. The hon, member, I think is very much aware of the great worry there.

As he says about the water, you can drink it with a spoon on many occasions, It is like a porridge with the sediment in it. On Monday past I believe I received a call from the Happy Valley - Goose Bay Area, I received a request from Nolan-White Associates who had done quite a survey on that river, I arranged,through the office of the Premier and the Department of Mines Agriculture and Resources 1 who are responsible ~010 1'

June 9, 1972 Tape .648 PK - 1 'IR. '1HRPHY: for the original survey 1 to dispRtch one of these men there they wanted actually to be at hand. The ice apparently now is breaking up in the river and with this great rushinp: out, we are seeinr. 3 lot of thfs sediment and also the eros1.0n of the river bank,which has heen a tremendous prohlem in the !-lappy Valley Area. As far as I know the engineer is now on the scene, at least he should be hecause authority was i,;iven on Wednesday for him to proceerl there. 'But it is a problem. What the answer is, I rlo not know.

If the honourable member has it, the Tmm Council has it, if anybody in Pappy Valley has it . but it has to be cured somehow. It is going to require an awful lot of money. Row far the Council have gone in ne1?otiations with the American fhse or with ?·1.0. T to tap on to the water supply at (:;oose Bay and the base itself, J do not know, Sir. Rut as the honourable member had said. it is bad enough not to be able to drink the water, but when you are scared to wash clothes in it and I think particularly those with small children with diapers and this sort of thing, it is really a terribly, terribly p,rave problem.

So as the member says that the petiti .. n is being presented, I am sure it will he given every bit of sympathy and consideration that it requires and I hope sincerely that someone can come up with an answer to cure this dreadful thing that is happening in Happy Valley. MR. ROBERTS: M:c, Speaker, if I may add a word or two on this, may I also welcome to the Chamber a very distinguised resident of the northern part of Labrador, Happy Valley, Father Charlie De llarveng who is with us today. My friend the minister has met Father Charlie recently.

Father Charlie 1if I am not mistaken,was ~n the Southern Labrador Coast for many years, Port Chimo and then suhsequently came into the Goose Bay Area and has spent many years of his life there. The minister says.and he is quite correct, Mr. Speaker, this is not a new problem, the problem with the Happy Valley water system. f.!01 t

June g, 107? Tape 648 PK - 2 MR. RfllffFTS • Indeed, as I recall it 1 the first <luty of the present Financ.:e ~1inister when he was Minister of ~unicipal Affairs in the Smallwood Administration was to go to Happy Valley to open the water and Rewer Rystem. I never quite figured out how one opened the water and sewer Rystem, how the honourable minister <lid. That was his first official duty. The system as I recall it, Sir, at that time was very expensivehecaus ~ of the difficult soil or indeed because there is little soil in Happy 17a1ley,the area is built on sand.

Indeed that is why the base was put there originally I believe, it is a very deep sandy plateau. It was discovered I believe by one of President Roosevelt's sons in the survey party. The system has never worked properly, ~1r. Speaker. It is becominl! an intolerable 1'urden upon these people who live in that community, which is a larj!e, which i~ a prosperous growinr community. I have no magic answers. T agree with my friend from St. John's Centre and my collep.e from Labrador North that it is roing to he a difficult thinp;.

Rut, Sir, if that community is to survive. if it is to continue it must have an adequate water and sewer system. So all r can do is urge upon the government, as my colleague and friend the member for Labrador North has done,urged upon them the need to press ahead with this as speedily as possible. J know that the •~ini ster of Labrador Affairs is cognizant of it. I can on] y hope that he can impress upon his colleagues the need and the need for action and th£>. need for urgent action.

Certainly for our part, Sir. we will do what we can from this side of the House to help this and to make it .'..~_..!_A_._ !-_VANS: Mr. Speaker, I beg leave of the I-louse to present a petition on behalf of' my constituents in Grand Bay West. The prayer of this petition urp:es that the road be started as soon as possible. In supporting this petition I would say that I feel very Cl O 19 4, . ~ (t

June 9, 1972 Tape 648 PK - 3 MR. _E_YANS: strongly on this point. These people are about one hundred yards from civilization, across a gut. It is impossible to put a bridp.e across there because boats returning and going fishing have to enter through this gut. But the road that is necessary to bring these people into civilization is ~013

June 9, 1972 · Tape no. 649 Page 1- MRW Mr, Evans . less than three miles long and you would have to see what these children go through in the winter in order to realize how serious this condition is, Half the time it is water and half the time it is ice. It is neither fit to walk on nor to sail over. They are very fortunate that they have had no serious accidents there over the years. They have been promised this road for the last twenty years or so in every election that came up.

I did not exactly promise it but I said, "I am hoping that you will have it before the next election." This is signed by all thirty-eight voters of the eommuni~y of Grand Bay West, I wish that this petition be tabled before the House, MR, NEARY: Mr. Speaker, we on this side of the House support the petition. MR. ROUSSEAU: Mr. Speaker, may I speak in support of the petition presented by my honourable friend,by leave. MR. SPEAKER: By leave. MR. ROBERTS: Sure, MR. ROUSSEAU : I am sorry, Mr. Speaker, but I was not able to get up before my - MR. SPEAKER: Go ahead.

The honourable member has leave to speak on the petition. MR. ROUSSEAU: The hon. member from Bell Island is trying to confuse me, AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible). _!fR. MURPHY: He just had a vote which does not register. MR. ROUSSEAU: Thank you very much,Mr. Speaker, and the honourable members of the Opposition for granting me - I would like to add my support to the petition so ably presented by my hon. friend from Labrador North.

Since all of Labrador is served by the same radio outlet, CBC from Goose Bay, I have been aware over the past few years of the problems created by the erosion of the river bank and the problem of drinking water is certainly serious,which is basic to a family's needs. I agree fully with the 2014

.Tune 9, 1972 Tape no. 6L,9 Mr. Roussea u sediments expressed by the hon . Minister of Labrador Af fairs . I would imprPss upon the department Ct)nc-erned the r enJ need of the people for c l ean drinkin r, water ln thf s ~rea. ~!~ _SPEAKER:,_ Are tht:>re any oth e r petitio ns? ANSl~ERS TO QUF.STJONS. MR:..~!'.:li.· OOYl:.~: Mr . Speaker, nn behaJ f of the hon. Premier, I would like to table the answer to Question No .&,n the Order Paper of .lune 7, asked by the hou. Let1der of the Oppostion . HON. H. A. COU.INS:(Minlster . of Mun i~Affai -rs and Housing): Mr.

Speake r, I w,-int to tahle the answ(,r to Ques t ·lon Nn . @ n the Order Pape r, elated Tune 7, Ln the name of the hon. member for St. flarbe Nor t h. ~<?_._1: __ A .. l • MURPHY: Ministrr ,;f l'rovi.nda .l !~~t!.!_rs) : Mr. S1ienker, l. have the answ e r C<' Quesctnn No . {ii)o n th~! Order Paper of .lunP 8. believe. it is in th e name oft.he hon. membe r for TwJlltnr,ate. f!ON. J . G. CROSBT"F. (MI nis ter n r __ l'._~~e) : Nr . Speaker , l would Jike to table the answer to Question No @ asked by the hon ·. Leader of the Opposition on the Order Paper, <l ~ceJ·Jun e 8. IION. A.

SENIOR (Minister of Communicv and Social llevelopment): - - --- ---- ··--- - - Mr, Speaker , I would like to tah1e the anRwer to Questi on ;fo.(£1 asked l::ty the hon. member for \.lhJ t.e B:1y South, (1 015 ,., .

June 9, 1972 Tape 65() COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY: _XlJL:. Labrador Affairs: MR._~Q_l!.::<;__§~AU~ Mr. Chairman, I suppose it is incumbent on me as the only sitting member for Labrador on the G overrunent side of the House to say a few words in regard to the Department of Labrador Affairs. First, Sir, I would like to say a few words about the couple of items that have appeared over the past few days,since I have some area covera~e to allow me to travel in this debate.

I notice in the recent ··Evening Telegram" in a story regardinJ! the nrivate members' bill I introduce on Wednesday that I was referred to as the Liberal member for Labrador West. MR. MURPHY: said it. I would demand an apology and t would sue the paper that JM - 1 MR. ROUSSEAU: I know it was an honest error. Today I noticed on the Order Paper that my motion was, the Order Paper for today li.sts me as the member for Labrador North. So I would like to take this opportunity to assure my constituents tha.t I am alive and well and still sitting on the G:>vern111ent side of the House.

Also I would like to add a word of welcome to the honourable Opposition Leader's welcome to Father Charlie,as he is affectionately known in Labrador. I stand here today as a member on the Government side of this House as a result of Father Charlie and the other members of the school board with which I was employed. He ~ave me a leave of absence to enable me to run in the last election. I would like to take this opportunity to thank him and to ask Father Charlie to pass on my warm regards to each and all of them.

Also in discussing the Department of Labrador Affairs I would be remiss, I suppose; if I did not acknowledge the presence of so many ministers or past ministers ~016 -~✓ ••

.June CJ, 1972. Tape 651, Page 1, of Labrador Affairs in this House, 'fhe honourable memher for Foi;,:o. the distinguished member from Fogo of course was a past member of ~he Liheral Administration of Labrador Affairs. The nresent si••ing member for Labrador North was a nast mini:,ter of Labrador Affairs. Our present honourable and distinguished,durahle gentleman fr.om St. John's Centre, is now the nresent Minister for Labrador Aff11irs.

I would like to say that I have been qujte pleased as have many of the people of Labrador, with the mi.nister of Labrador Affa:I rs :md hi: ~ efforts over the past few months. r think he has shown a genuine and a real concern for the people and prohlems of Labrador. 1 would like to take this r,pportuni.ty ln discussing his department, to say to him on behalf of the neon le I rep resent, thank you very much for a job well done! Sir, the Denartment of Labrador Affairs could in principle serve a very useful purpose. As a concept ori.ginallv it was a sound concept.

However, Sir, unfortunatelv in point of fact it has not served a 11:;2 ful purnose. I h,-r<: e taken the opportunitv to read over the Act estahltshing the Department of r ahrador Affairs. "An Act Resnecting the Lahrador Affairs Act," No. 43, dated l'larch 25, 1966. To say that I Pas amazed at the po1-•ers that the Minister of Labrador Affatrs has 1••oul cl be an under · ntement. There were times, Sir, when I wondered while reading th:ls Act whether I was rea<li.ng

an Act establishing a separate sovereign countrv. I quote: ''the powers, functions, and duties of the ,linj ster extend, to and include all matters· relati.ng to Labrador over which the Legislature has jurisdicti.on which are not by law assigned to any ni·her department branch or agency of the Goverpment of tnis Province."

Section

Section 8 goes on to list some of the things that the minister shall do.

Section 11, confers on the minister the authori .ty to enter into certain agreements with the r.overnment of ~017

June. 9, 1972. Tape 651, Page 2 , Canada. In itself the Act provides for a minister, a deputy-minister and assistant-deputy-minister, I use this example,Sir, to suggest that the original concept of the Department of Labrador Affairs has not been fulfilled.

It would appear, Sir, that this Act would create a Labrador distinct from this Province, Now, Sir, if I stand here in six or seven or eight years hence, I will stand he.re believing as I do now or I will not be here, with the strong belief tha.t I belong to one province and that I am a Newfoundlander, If that costs me my future political hopes then I accept it,· I am, Si.r, a Newfoundlander, first. I am from that part ·of Newfoundland c.illed Labrador. I was before I moved to Labrador, what was commonly referred to as Aw est c caster. Sir, a Newfoundlander.

I was I think that the · department was set up in an attempt to -provide a channel ·of communications geographically between the island and mainland portions of our Province, They are geo,graphically separated, It was mean.t to be a cohesive factort l feel. 2018

June 9. 1972 Tape f.52 in point of fact, Sir, it has C'ften been a divisive factor. Now I n.m sure thP. hnno11r11ble member for Labrador North an<l the honourable memher for Labnidor South will agree with me anrl I wil 1 ar:ree with them in thc1t cornmlmi c;,tions are difficult. There is no question about that. .T}" - l I had a letter rpcentlv from ;i constituent in Wah11sh who under­ went some 1?.reat strain in trvi.nP to secure a motor hike licence for her child. This effort co,Ll.rl h ,l\re been facili taterl had the person been in St . .Tohn's but nnfortunatPly the person was not in St.

John's and it too~ close to five weeks to secure that licence. This. Sir, is a communications 2'/lT'. Hhat cc1n we do? Well. I thinJ, that the J"lep11rtment of Labrador Affairs could serve a useful nurpose undoubtedly. I think there are a nnmher of nt~er wavs tlrn t we cou.l d look at this ;me'! I look at it here . Sir. to sngp-est a com111unications method between the island and mainland narts of our prnvince. One wav we could settle the issue once and fnr all is to create a Dep;irtment of }:ewfo11ndlanc' and J.r,hrador Affairs 1 possihl.v one sinr:.le r!('nnrtmPnt.

Another poss:lhle miy is to have information desks in the various departments of governl'!ent which arP l!lost closely related to the needs of Lahr;idor. Re could have repional desks in those offices or those depc1rtments where communi"cation Pould Le often necessary ui th tliese . departments. 1 feel, Sir, that the Depnrtment of Lahraclor Affairs needs a completP re-evaluation and a decision must be made as to whether it is goinp to fulfi].l :Its oripinal nurposes 1 which T think were 11oo<l1 or whether it is p:oinp to continue to serve the caretaker hnsis that it is nat·' se.rv:l.nf!.

I 1\m not, Sir, happy with the present functioning of the department and that in no WRY reflects the'wonderful people that work down there as individuals. They have to work within a certain context and Tam sure that the minister has on many occasions felt ~019

June 9. 1972 . Tape 652 frustrated with his attempts to help the people of Labrador through the Department of Labrador Affairs. JM - 2 I would like to mention a few thinr,s about the actual estimates in the Budget. The travel and exchanr,e program, the budgeted amount of $80,000, Sir, is an excellent concept and I think and I say without hesitation it should be continued. The travel and exchange nrogram is a program as you know whereby cultural and athletic P,roups are provided subsidy to travel to the island portion of the province in order to participate in cultural or athletic events.

This, Sir, is absolutely a necessity to the people of Labrador because without it they would not be able to compete in tournaments or in festivals that may be held from time to time on the island. The air passenger subsidy is, I think, a debatable point but with the air passage at the levels they are then some relief certainly is needed for the people of Labrador. From Wabush to Deer Lake the air fare is $63.00 the equivalent of the air fare between Wabush and Montreal. The air fare from Wabush to Gander is $74 .00 and the air fare from Wabush to St. John's is $811. 00. So the return from Wabush to St.

John's is now $168.00. I have never been one to look at dollars as dollars, to me $168.00 could mean anywhere from a take home pay of $225.00 to $350.00 p:ross pay for an individual working in Labrador. The Sl68.00 return from St. John's is deceptive in that sense and a man has to earn much more than that amount to bring home SJ.68.00 to pay for the return fare. This, Sir, creates some hardship on the people of Labrador. While I am on this air subsidy I have and will continue to pay praise to Eastern Provincial Airways.

I remember when I traveled to Labrador in 1962 and Eastern Provincial Airways was then a verv small airline with a C46 and a DC3. From time to time various planes were added to their fleet one of which we affectionately named "Moby Joe, · the ~020 ,.·

.June <J , 1972 1'i:me 652 Corv n i r , The D;irt-Her;i] els were introd u ced a few vears ar.n and now we ;ire tn the ar.e of the jet st:rved hv three Boein~ 737 1ets. T think. Sir, that LahrMlor West esneci.ally grew ns a result of thP r r owth of F.ast<'rn Provincf.11 Airways :ind F.astern Provincial Airwavs nrew, Sir as a result nf thP. r,rowth of L,qbra,lor \lest. T anprec-tnte the ir serv ice ancl T •~oulrl tak,:, this nr,portun:f ty to r r.?snect ~ul lv sur.rest that t think the st;itio n in Wahush is one of 1~• - 1 thP most welJ -,r.1annecl s tat1ons alon<- tl'le F.nstern Provincial Airways l:!nP..

The new ter.minn) facilities now which arn -rresent]v underp.oinr. rcnova tions wi 11 adcl r.nch to the pe1ssenper comfort "t \.J:ibush . He do havP one problem. ~i r. that som!l-times crop/l tm in our a r c 11 , 2021

June 9, 1972 Tape 653 NB - 1 the inability to travel from Wabush to Montreal on Eastern Provincial Airways. Wabush passengers have no right to board. There are no passenger rights from Wabush to Montreal. I think this is a matter that has to be looked into. The service is a direct one

whereas the Quebec Air service is a milk run. The time of arrival is quite convenient, early afternoon

whereas - the majority of the Quebec Air flights arrive late in the evening, early evening or late afternoon. I have to take issue with my friend, the hon. member from Labrador South, who suggest that an air subsidy might not be necessary for the people of Labrador West. It is not a necessity, Certainly the hon. member has a point, I have to bring to the attention of this House a point which at times becomes upsetting to the people of Labrador West and I do not say this because the member from Labrador South brought it up, but many people bring this up from time to time. The point they raise is this.

What do :iou need? You have everything. Sir, I say here now unequivocally the people of Labrador West do not accept his point of view. We recognize that we do have very much. We recognize that we contribute close to 20 per cent of the income of this Province. While we suggested on opening day that we are not looking for special concessions, nor are we, we certainly expect to share equally in the benefits accuring to this Province. We also expect to undergo any hardship that the rest of this Province experiences. The student exchange programme, Sir, is a very worthwhile programme.

As a school principal over the past few years I have been intimately involved with this programme. I think it is one of the finest programmes the government has in Labrador. There is one shortcoming, Sir, and I am sure that my friends from Labrador North and South, the hon. members will agree we would like to see a little more travel between points in Labrador as well as travel from Labrador to the ~sland portion of the Province.

The student exchanges are on a reciprocal basis where a school may send, nonnally, nine students and a chaperone to the Island for a weekend and a return visit is extended,on the following week or some time within the following month,to the school to return ~022

June 9, 1972 Tape. 653 NB - 2 to Labrador City and Wabush area, or whatever area may be involved, to pay a visit to the school which they hosted on a previous occasion. I think this exchange programme should continue, I am very pleased that our magnanimous Minister of Finance has seen fit to continue this portion of the Estimates in Labrador Affairs. Thank you very much, Sir. Your magnanimity touches us very much. I am also pleased and I should mention this as well.

I feel incumbent and I should hope that all of Labrador receives what any part of Labrador receives, So I am very pleased, Sir,with the coastal Labrador subsidized air service 1 which was introduced by my hon. friend from Labrador North and which was extended by my hon. and distinguished and durable colleague from St. John's Centre. It is a worthwhile service, Sir, and I hope that it is continued.

So, Sir, in closing these few remarks, I would like to respectfully suggest that an attempt to bridge the communication gap which h.;!ls bi-en allowe d to develop over the last eighteen years has been evident in the creation of a Department of Labrador Affairs.

I have some feeling that the original creation of this department developed out of political motivation I would now say from my part that I would hope to see its extension as a full and viable department or a complete re-evaluation of its services looked at and an attempt made to provide for the needs of Labrador through some appropriate facility akin to this department. MR. WOODWARD: Mr. Chairman, if I may, I do not want to prolong this debate on Labrador Affairs. We spoke very briefly on it last night.

June 9, 1972 ; Tape 654, Page 1 -- PK }~. WOODWARD: But I cannot say that I am in complete agreement with the honourahle member for Labrador West, I feel that although he lived in Labrador for a considerable amount of time and I a~ sure as a school principal in the City of Wabush - Labrador City he has contrihuted p,reatly to that portion of Labrador, but Labrador does not necessarily end, Sir, in Wabush or Labrador City. Labrador City and Habush have probably the hip:hest standard of living in this province and maybe one of the highest in the whole of Canada.

I sympathize with those residents of those communities, as I do with the honourable memher,that they are left in isolation, Sir, and living today :l.s uncomfortable wherever you live, if you live in isolation. So the people of Labrador West, I feel do live in it. llut it does not necessarily mean, Sir, that the concept or the bill that brought Labrador Affairs into beinp: was not necessarily a good bill. Labrador Affairs was merely meant to bring the administration of government,and I am the first one to agree with the honourable minister that maybe it was not utilized to its fullest extent.

There should have been more done. There should have been more travelling through the community. There should have been more information brought to the people as to ,;.rhat their government is doing and how their taxes are spent. I think if you take this away from the people of Labrador and, as I said in my remarks last night, I think that you have to have a cabinet minister, Sir, one individual cabinet minister, a very strong member that sits on equal status in the cabinet with any other member to bring the affa:f .rs of Labrador to cabinet.

Not necessarily to this House , Sir, be·cause I am sure that most of the honourable ministers on the other side of the House are well taken up in their own departments' work which is spread widely throughout this province and no doubt is ~024 I,

June 9, 1972 Tape 654 PK - 2 MR. WOODWARD, overlappln!! in the areas of Lahrador. But merely hecause of the geographic position the Labrador Districts do ,, ot get vi slt.s from cabinet ministers as often as they do here on the island portion of the province. I suppose this was one of tl\e reasons why we have discontent, and we have had discontent in Labrador for a number of years. There has been discontent because of the fact that they do not know what government is all about, neither have they heen told, or maybe by sr,me varying minor officials that have travelled in the capacity of welfare officers ..

Then again, Sir, not downgrading welfare offic, ~rs,but junior welfare officers or junior civil servants end up in Labrador an<l the senior civil servants end up in the cities or the areas in the island portion of the province. /1.s the honourable the '.Minister of Justice said a couple of days ago concerning one particular individual who was a civil servant, he was being transferred out to r.oose Bay. Goose llay1 in my estimation, Sir. is not an isolated area. Goose Bay as compared to some of the other communities on the Coast of Labrador is a heaven.

So I think this is one of the reasons for its beinr done and I think this is one of the reasons when our honourable member from Labrador West interpret the act to say it is a separate move, Labrador want s to set up its m,m government. This is not necessarily so . Sir. Labrador wants a part of this government , this governmPnt that exists in this House,and is struggling to do that, Labrador Affairs,as far as I am concerned, should have been the instrmnent, the vehicle to launch that type of administration to Labrador.

If you take Labrador Affairs away and you divide this up between the fifteen or seventeen that responsibility between the fifteen or seventeen ministers that we will have in this cahinet,the individual attention that Labrador will get, Sir, will be very small. So I suggest, Sir, and as I said last nipht and I am very proud again to repeat today, when the honourable member mentioned heing ~025

June 9, 1972 Tape 654 PK - 3 MR. WOODWARD'. a Newfoundlander, I am very much of a Newfoundlander as well. But my residence in Labrador and my long time,as a number of other people, I am sure that my good friend, Reverend Father Charlie 1who have lived in Labrador almost as lonp: as I have,will agree with me that there have been a gap that has not heen filled. He are searching for it. Maybe if the honourable member for Labrador West can come up with an alternative move• qe mentionei information desk. I shiver to think of having minor officials in government departments dealinp: with that important sector, Sir.

Listening to the news of the day and,thinking in terms of the Premier of the Province just announcing that on July 1 they will sit down with the great BRINCO people that have been doing so much work in the development of our water resources and minerals in Labrador to negotiate, possibly and to start development of the Lower Churchill.

This is a big industry, Sir, if you are after a big bird and you are after a big return and a big investment the same as this province is after in Labrador, a great return for the province in royalities on its minerals,· royalities on its forest resources and royalities on it13 hydro or water resources,then they mnst be prepared to set up a department, Sir, I do not mean a department that is going to go half way and a department with people that do not know anything about it, but set up a department with knowledgeable people that we can bring this about and maybe hasten this along.

So I feel and I am sure that the honourable the member for Labrador West mentioned a couple of times, I do not necessarily think, Sir, that his views that were expressed in this House today are necessarily the views of the people of Labrador. MR. J. HARVEY: If I may, Mr. Chairman, I would like to make a few comments on two point that I brought up yesterday in the House, which are the air subsidy for Labrador Airways and the Student Exchange Progrannne. AN HON. MEMBER: -------- Inaudible. nor•6 (., . t:,

June 9, 1972 Tape 6.54 PK - 4 MR. HARVEY: You are rip.ht, Well J just want to bring to the attention of the !louse here some of the excahnges that took place last year. Now I see here, Mr. Chairman, that on tl. e Student Exchange Programme there were seven visits frorn A.P.

Lowe F.lementary School in Lahrador City for a total cost of S7,761,60 - seven visits, four visits from Hamilton Elementary and Happy Valley. six visits from Lahrador City Colleg.i.ate and yet there is not one visit at all, not one from the whole Labrador Coast Area, although there has been a Lahrador representative in Labrador !south over the past, ~Jell ever since the department was set up. Now th:i.s seems like discrimination to me in some way.

I would like to point out here on the travel exchange $82,000 provided for eipht v:isits hy the Gi.rl Guides of Canada.for a tntal of S2,380, Not one visit to Labrador South, four visits hy the minor Hockey Association, ninety-eipht persons travelling in all. I would think here that those twenty-five players constitute a hockey team, ~•r. Chai I'TT\an. a hockey team? Would ti,:enty-five players constitute t-lP., B_ARVF.Y_: Right, for ninety-eip.ht people? '1R. MURPHY: Inaudible. }fR.

HARVF.Y: R:i pht and here is another one 1 six visits hy the Newfoundland Amateur !softball Association for a total number of people travelling 139 people travellin_g, that would mean twenty-three 'people per team at a total cost of ~12,987.20. The Roy~,1 Canadian Legion, one visit, t027

June 9, 1972 . Tape no. 655 Page - MR\·' Mr. Harvey. J60 people, $8,418,50. Now not one exchange, like I said before, from the schools in Labrador South. We have probably twe1,ty or twenty ­ five or thirty schools in that area. I am certainly in favour, as my hon. colleague from Labrador West is and my colleague from Labrador North, of the Student Exchange Programme. I would certainly like to see more exchanges made from the Labrador South area in this vote of $50,000 this year. The $140,000, the hon. Minister of Finance has said in the House here a minute ago that that will be taken care of.

The subsidy ~ill be given to Labrador Airways I presume. I will not speak on that any more. I would like to end up by asking the hon. Minister of Labrador Affairs a question. I understand that the representative for Labrador Affairs, Mr. William Moores from Cartwright, had resigned on March 30. If the honourable gentleman could tell us when he will be replaced and by whom? _JIR. ROUSSEAU: Mr. Chairman, I just have three points that I would like to clear up for my hon. friend from Labrador North. I did not suggest, S_ir, nor would I want to suggest that Labrador begins and ends with Labrador City and Wabush.

I have not spent much time in the Eastern portion of Labrador but I assure you now as I assure the people there, as I assure the people in this province,that my concern for them is great. I feel that although I represent Labrador West in this Legislative Assembly, I do indeed, Sir, represent the people of this province as well. I did not suggest either, Sir, that the act was an ac_t to set up a separate country. What I did suggest was that in reading the act, there were times when it appeared that way I did not call for the end of the Department of Labrador Affairs.

What I did say was this: That I feel that either we should take this department and operate it as it should be operated under this act or let us not use a department of government merely for facilitating student exchanges, cultural exchanges and air subsidy. There is an awful lot more t~at can be done, as this act suggests. t028 r •

June 9, 1972 Tape no. 655 Page 2 Mr. Rousseau. There are very many thinp;s. Jt is a good act, It establishes a viahl" depart:ment. If ,,,e are p;oinp; to end up heing a government which recognizes a department. which in effect performs merelv clerical duties, thenl think that is a m.lsmanagement of the people's money, 1 feel that unless this department is utilized in the way that it was orip;inally inte11de.d, then certa-inly we should give consideration to other means of fac.ilit.atinr. communications between the island and the Labrador port:Lons of our province. !'.!_~_ROWE_(W.N.)_: Mr.

Chairman, before the honourable minister rises to finish up this portion of the debate, there are a few words that I would like to sav on this. I do not know if the present administration during any electoral process stated in as many words that the Department of Labrador Affairs was poinr to be ahoUshed or wiped out or merped with the other departments of 1·nvernment. 1 must sav that my firm impression,rec.eived over a numbe-r of months, either by reading or listening to honourable members who took

part in the electoral processes dur .ing that period of time, was that it was part of the Progressive Party platform to aholish that department. That was the firm impression which I received. Perhaps the honourable minister would like to comment on that remark later on and to tel 1 us in the House whether the government, the administration is in fact contemplatin~ such a move or whether they intend to continue tile department under its present act and beef up its functions or whether thev i.ntenc\ to tone it down.

Just what is it exactly that the administration intend to do about the Department of Labrador Affairs? Tt mav be quite true,as the hon, member for Labrador West has said 1 that the ori ginal motivation in setting up the department was a political one. Now we have a Lendenc-y in thi~ House to label something which might he dista s teful or had or wronr,, to label it political. In my estimation, Sir, there is nothing wrong at all in <loin? things from 2029

June 9, 1972 Tape no. 655 Page 3 Mr. Rowe (W.N.) political motives. Surely the job of the government is to try to provide to people in various areas in the province, including Labrador, to try to provide to the people things, functions and services which they want and need as long as these services, functions and needs are consistent with reason and logic and availability of funds.

There is nothing wrong with doing that, If it pleases people and if ~he politicians in the province get some political kudos as a result of doing that, I see nothing wrong with doing things for political motives as long as they are not blatantly unreasonable or illogical. There may have been a political motive in sett:f .ng up the Department of Labrador Affairs. I think the political motive was to try to make Labrador feel part of the main stream.

I believe there was a genuine, political desire to make Labrador a part of the main stream of this province and to stop any deterioration in relations between Labrador and Newfoundland, Labrador and the Newfoundland Government and to try to stem any tide towards (I suppose it is wrong to call it separatism) or any trend towards an independent movement away from the island portion of the province or the central government of the province. Those I believe are the highest political motives. I think they are admirable political motives.

If they were done with the desire to please people and thereby have political overtones, as a result, then I think that perhaps we should do more things like that. There is nothing at all wrong with that kind of a motivation, AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible) MR. ROWE (W.N.): I certainly do not but there is a tendency on the part of politicians themselves and people outside the political life to say, oh, that is just politics. That is done with a political motive or this is a politically good or bad thing. There is nothing wrong with that kind of a motivation.

We are in politics, Politics comes\ from the word, "policy." 2030 ..... , ~.

June 9, I 972 Tape no. 655 Page 4 Mr. Rowe (W.N.) You have a policy, a political policy in mind and you try to put it into ef feet. You try to please as man,, people as vou possibly can. The greatest happiness of the rreatest number is certainlv the utilitarian approach of most politicians in this dav and age, I would like to hear the minister on this idea of abolition or otherwise of the Department of Labrador Affairs and to give us a firm,clear-cut statement as to what the government's policy is now or what the government policy Ls developinr towards in r-espec t of the Department of Labrador Affairs.

As I see it, there are two alternatives available to the administration: One alternative is to cut out the Department of Labrador Affairs completely and to move its functions into the other, align departments of the Government of Newfoundland, To make sure that Labrador as well as other areas of the province lrnve pub.lie buildings, re!?ional desks, as I think my honourable friend mentioned, to make certain that all government policies are brought to the people and the people of this province, whether in Labrador o,: in the Great Northern Peninsula or in the Connaigre Peninsula, no matter where, are aware of these policies and the officials of the povernment in these regjonal of fices nr public huil<linr,s can bring the policies of the various administrations to the people, with the minimum of inconvenience to the local people concerned.

That is one alternative. The other alternative, Sir, is to keep the Department of Labrador Affairs in existence. That would be wrong in my estimation unless the Department of Labrador Affairs is roing to be taken seriously by the administration concerned. It would hf' like a fifth leg or a fifth limb. It would be somethinr, which is totally Ufleless, something which expends monev, merely diverts people's .interests and does not fulfill any useful function for the people concerned, If it is not taken seriously, if it is 8031

June 9, 1972 Tape no. 6'85 Page 5 Mr. Rowe (W.N.) merely used as a political tool and nothing else, then I would say by all means abolish the Department of Labrador Affairs. Because, Sir, in my estimation what would happen if it is just kept in existence and treated as a joke ~032 , .

June 9 , 19 72 • Tape 656 Page 1. is that officials and perhaos ministers in other departments would feel less inclined to deal themselves objectively and forthrightly with prohlems that might arise in Labrador and they might have a tendency to merely shift off the Labrador or the burdens of the Labrador portion of the nrovince unto the department of Lahrador Affairs.

If that deoartment is weak or has a weak head or has a weak administration then nothinp. is going to he done in resnect of Labrador. llut, Sir, if the l)eoartment of Labrador Affairs is going to be treated seriouslv hv the administration, this administration or any other administration, if the ~epartment of Labrador Affairs is going to have a strong minister at the head of that department, then I submit and I suggest that hv all means keen the department in existence.

I think, Sir, and this is not at all derogatory towards the honourable minister who has the honour to fill the post at the moment, I think, Sir, that it is essential,if we are going to keen the Department of Labrador Affairs in existence, it is essential that wherever nossihle the minister of that department should come from he a resident of the Lahrador portion of this province.

I hesten to add that this advertisement "is not inserted by the member for Labrador West , altho ngh he may derive some benefits from mv few remarks tod .0 ·_ , Unless there is a very pc-:(· uliar coalition in the future in which case mv honourahle friend from Labrador South or Labrador North might be in the runninp: for it, unless something peculiar and Queer like that happens, 1 would say that the honour­ able member for Labrador West is in a fairly strong position to succeed to that post. This honourable minister should accept nothinp. hut minister first class.

He should not, he should not consent to become minister fourth class in this tiered government which the honourable · 2033

June 9, 1972, Tape 656 Page 2, Premier has announced we are .going to have. We are going to have an inner group ministry, first class, then we are going to have minister..second class, then we are going to have perhaps minister; third class, with a shadow minister behind waiting, frothing and salivating at the mouth to jump in whenever the opportunity arises. So the honourable member for Labrador West should insist on being mi.nister first class, when he gets the opportunity to take over this portfolio. 'The reason, Sir, and my eyes were opened in this regard only a few short months ago. The reason I say that it is imperative to have a strong minister and a resident from the Labrador

section of the province as a head of that department was brought home forcibly to me when the honourable member from Labrador North was appointed to that position some time last summer, I saw at that time, the honourable minister come into Cabinet, Iain not divulring any cabinet secrets, come into cabinet thump the desk, throw a little furniture around, yell and scream and bawl at his colleagues, we were scared to death Mr, Chairman, frightened to death, The former Premier Smallwood used to sit back with a look of amazement on his face, and not talk for a - not a lengthy period of time, but he would listen for a certain period of time.

I saw this honourable member here get things through the Cabinet for Labrador that, a few weeks before that,I would not have thought possible. This Air subsidy for example, The coast of Labrador - subsidize air service, Nothing at all to do with the elections. . Was it after the elections? There you go,Mr. Chairman, the difference between the two administrations, We waited until after the election to bring in this vote.getting measure, Maybe that is ~034

June 9, 1972, Tane 656 Page 3. why we are over on this side of the House now, We were too honest, ' 1r. Chairman, too honest altogether, pol:1.ticall.v naive, We did not do the right thinp. We have now learned,Sir, from +-hat mistake, vou sho11lc1 give the neonle what thev want before the election instead of after, That was our mistake.

Rut in anv event, Sir, I saw what hapoen, · d when vou have a stron~ man who is vitally intf'rested in what happens in Labrador, the tvne of interest that comes from being a resident in the area, a man who has his future tied, his nast and his future t:led to that portion of our province. 'fhis Jc; whv,Sir, T think that of the two al te rnati ves wh:! ch I have l'xnre5sed, the ahol i tion and thP take over of functions hy other denartments or keening the department in Pxlstence w1th a strnnp minister of these two alternatives I think the latter is the helter, keen the department in existence, nut a stronp minister, not that the honnurahle minister is not strong hlmself.

T am not sup,gestinJ!' that for a moment. Although, Sir, to hear him ask questions of his colleagues in the House sometimes on estimates vou would think that maybe he does not get a chance to ask them in cabinet.

J do not know if that is an unfair reflection·or not, He has to find out hi.s information, rather than in cabinet in this House, T think he i.s a stron~ man, a man of integritv, a man who wi 1] push for L11hrador but he would have to admit as well that ·,!though 1,e has a great deal of interest 1like we all have interest for Labrador 1 I think that it is ·. ,ecesirnry that a resident of the orovince, of the Labrador portion of the province,wherever possihle,he in that no rt folio so that he can feel it in his hones ,and in his blood, what has to he done for the area.

That would certainly ln my estimat·' on ensure that the Lahrador portion ~f the province will not suffer neglect whether it 1 s financial neglect or merely r·11mmunj cation gaps as the honourable member for L-:brador West had mentioned earlier, £035

June 9, 1972. Tape 656 Pa ge 4. Make sure that there is a good cohesive connnunitation system between that portion of the province and essential gov e rnment. Make sure that when it comes to the expenditure of money that the Labrador portion, especially coastal Labrador where, which is in greater need than any other part of Labrador of help, especially that portion does not suffer,is not neglected, it gets it fair share of the riches of this province. 1-IR,OTTENHEIMER: Mr.

Chairman, I imagine the honourable minister of Labrador Affairs would before responding and commenting upon riuestions and observations inade by other honourable members perhaps prefer that everybody have their two cents worth, so to speak. So this is mi-ne, if there is any change I would be glad to pick it up. Mr. Speaker, co111111enting upon the one remark made by the honourable memeer for White Bay South there has not been any statement of government policy to abolish the Depar .tment of Labrador Affairs,nor any department. There has been no statement of policv to that effect.

Nor is there any policy to that effect. There is no government policy to abolish the department of Labrador Affairs or department of Fisheries or any department. Each and every department, the functi9ns nf each and every department and indeed the function and structure and organization of government in the province is and will be subject to review by a connnittee of cabinet announced by the Premier about ten days ago. That will obviously include every department, Labrador Affairs and every other one.

But there is no difference or distinction between this review of organization and structure of government with respect to Labrador Affairs than there would be to Health Services or Transportation or Education, or Hines, Agriculture & Resources or anything else. I think it_ is almost 1 it is almost inevitable that when there is a change of administration 2036

.June 9, 1972 . Tape 656 PaJ?.e 5. a fundamental cha nAe of adminis Cratio n after everv election thc, re i " ol>viflu•:J.y a fund1,1mental chanJ?.e of administration,after a ·.eriod of twenty three yea- r s then i t is lnevl tah le that there woulcl be such a review a.11d i.ndeed anyhody who , anv p.ro up who took ov ex the admi.nistrati.on of a r>r<wince after such a neri.od and cli.d not suhiect the structure and orirnni;,;ation and fun.ctioni.n~ of rovernment to a thorough and comnl c.>te review wouJ d I think he ver\' remiss in t hejr dutv, T dn want to make t ha t point clear, thal there ls no policv t 037

June 9, 1972 Tape 65 7 NB - 1 to abolish Labrador Af-fairs, nor indeed any department, but that there is a policy to review the organization and structure of all departments in the whole organization of government. I would say as well, Mr.

Chairman, that as the only member of that committee here now,and I have no doubt that that committee will be enlarged, as the only member of that committee here now, we will certainly examine and read and consider with great interest and attention the remarks made1 obviously by all hon. members with particular reference to remarks made by the hon. member from Labrador, West, South and North.

We shall certainly give consideration and study to the remarks made by all members,obviously, because there can be no dis­ crimination amongst members from Labrador, members from Burin Peninsula and members from the Avalon Peninsula or anywhere else. But, with respect to any review and analysis of the functions of this particular department, we shall obviously be giving concern and attention and study to the remarks made by the three hon. members from Labrador. There is only one other thing I wish to say on this matter, Mr.

Chairman, and that is I personally, I suppose one really cannot speak to that personally, so put it this way, how pleased I am that all the members from Labrador in this House of Assembly are members of political parties who, whatever their differences might be, have among those things they share in common the belief in the territorial integrity of this one Province, Our views can be different on many things, 'on all kinds of things with respect to Labrador, with respect to the Linerboard Mill at Stephenville, with respect to housing at Happy Valley, with respect to'alr subsidies in Labrador, or with respect to any number of things, but these are logical, inevitable and healthy differences.

If not, there would not be two parties, there could not be two parties. There are certain basic fundamentals and certainly for all of us the territorial integrity of this one Province, whether it be that part of vast actual wealth and even vaster potential wealth, the continental part of the Province, small in population but almost inimaginable in terms ~038

June 9, 1972 TApe 657 NB - 2 of potential wealth, the continental part of the Province, the Island, the insular part of the Province, much greater in population, probably much less in terms of potential wealth, certainly untapped wealth in minerals and still in forests perhaps less great, the natural resources potential probably less great, the human resource obviously in numbers much greater. The important fact is that members in this House, in Opposition or in Government share certain things in common, (1) a belief in parliamentary government, (2) a belief in this and a belief in that.

Certainly among those fundamental areas of consensus is that this is one Province and that we believe in the territorial integrity of that one Province. That, Mr. Speaker, is something which perhaps was not inevitable and that 1 think is one of the most welcome results of the last opportunity the people of Labrador had to make their views kr..own on a number of things. I certainly am very pleased that that is the case. MR. MURPHY: Mr. Chairman, I would certainly like to thank those who took

part in this very interesting subject and vital subject of Labrador. Perhaps if the people, particularly in Coastal Labrador, realised how interested the members of this House are in their existence, in their well-being, they would be very, very happy people. Now one of the big problems, of course, with Labrador and basically again 1 refer to Coastal Labrador, is the line of communication. There have been several items raised and pardon me if I have not taken note of them all. 1 think I got the greater number of them. The first one,, I think is with reference to Labrador South. Mr.

Moores retired on pension at the end of May. There has been no appointmenl made yet for a reason that I will try to tell you in a couple of moments. There was a state­ ment made last evening by somebody, that I had made the statement that there would be a public building built in the Happy Valley - Goose Bay Area. In many talks I have had in the area, I always stated that my firm and fond wish would be to locate a building in the Goose Bay Area that would tie in both ends or both sides of Coastal Labrador, because I think anybody - before I no'!9 ,... ,)

June 9, 197~ Tape no. 657 Page 3 go any further officially as minister, I would like to welcome Rev. Father Charlie. I am the official Minister of Labrador Affairs. I would say he is the unofficial minister of Labrador with reference to the interest he takes in it. If we are to do anything for Coastal Labrador - I have been in this House a good many years. I was here when this bill was being put through, Labrador Affairs. We fought it right from the start. "The road to hell is paved with v,ood intentions." Platitudes were thrown out wh~n this bill was being formed.

Basically, it was to throw back in the face of Premier Le5age of Quebec. Here was our iron man here. He stood u.p and said, "i..eSage, Labrador is ours." How did he prove it? By separating Labrador from Newfoundland. We fought that. We have not the Province of Newfoundland and Corner Brook nor the Province of Newfoundland and Bell Island. This province is the Province of Newfoundland. I think Bell Island is a part of the Province of Newfoundland We do Lot have to say - MR. ~!;~~'0- (Inaudible) _l1R. MURPHY: Well, sometimes we wonder too.

We think it has become one of the "have" -provinces rat.her than the have not, Bell Island. MR. NEARY: (Inaudible) MR. MURPHY: Basically, I think we have one, These are some of the things that happened that removed and sort of impressed on the people of Labrador that they were not a part of the island. Politics played a very major

part in this. We had three members representing Labrador. I think up to about ten or twelve years there were two members, There was - Labrador North and South. In 1966 we created West. Now we can talk about the thousands of miles and everything (1962) but when we look at the number of people resident, particularly in Labrador South, what have we got? Two thousand voters as such spread over a large area. I do not believe, Mr. Chairman, that we have done the job that - and I am not projecting myself - I have tried in the past six months to meet with and talk with the people of Labrador. They have been, in my opinion, absolutely neglected, ~040 ~. --· ...

June 9, 1972 Tape no. 657 Tho; honourable member here raises the poi nt, with re ference to this travel thing where we had some 531 and 1,400 people, yotmg, medium or old, took

part in 144 visits. How many from Labrador South in that? One? Two? Three? Not one : Why? l am Minister of Lnbi.:ador Affait :s . I also r epresent a district. lt is not up co me to ~o in and do the lcr, work for the members in l.abr ador. The y II re e lt,!cted. 'fhev are hein~ paj ,t for doinr. a lob as members representing these districts. It is the fi rst th ing I impressed 2041

June 9, 1972 . Tap e 658 .m - l on the people. When I spoke to any of them I said, "Whether vou vote for me or not it does not matter because I am not looking for your vote. I am not looking for your votes here in LHbrador I look for the voters in St. John ' s Centre to elect me.· MR. HARVEY: I ••-,. .. •••- - (Inaudihle). MR. MURP]1V : ···---- ---- You came in between, ri.rht. As it happened when the honourahle member took over, ancl I l'lttSt riv£> hi M credit rmcl I will say this that he has been tryinp to do the job that haR heen nerlected for so IT'any vears.

In Labrador now with c0Mmunicc1tions,and the honourable member for Lahrador West has ref erred to Cl'IC in Goose Fay where I think we get most of our news. but I would like, Sir. to pay trihute to CPLW in Labrador West which I think brings a lot of news of Labrador. People, I hope, are listening because we want them to listen. In the back of my mind there is a feelinr that a rreat portion , of our province are still without communications as to what is happening hasicallv in the rest of the province.

If we looked at this last election result s l think we can see, and I am not layinr any charges against any people outside , that the line of communication, wh;it is hapfH•ninp here in our province is still not filterinr out to placPs where these co!llmunica tion!l are not - He can look at the stanrlinp:s in the House and it iR funny that up to a certain 11rea th e people here decide to vote one wav and when we ,zet outsirle, I call it the Twilight Zone, we r;et a different result. I have heard thP honourable member for Labrador West say - A,~ HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible). MR. MURT'llY: I have not be.en on the Coast.

I admitted that. I have -4. 4----. said it many times. How many visits have the honourable member paid to the Coast since Jan1111ry. the West and North Coast? AB_ J!Q.~:... -~~~~: (Inaudi .ble) . MR. MURPHY: -·---- --- Right. Why? 2042 t-- ..

Jl.lne q. 1972 Tape 658 JM - 2 N•T _H_(?_N_._ }!E~~R_: (Inandihle) \fR . MURJ>HV : . - -- - ·· • - - - ··· RiJ.>ht, ri.i?ht. Wh:at we wanted was 11 clear-cnt ma1oritv in T.ahrador South .nrnt we do not have in Labrador North todav where I th1nk for the first timP in the historv of this Parliament there is a sitting memher who does not renresent the IT'a1oritv of the people in the district. I think this js the first tj_me it lrns hatmencd in the hi s tory of '-lewfound] an"l r,ol i tics whe1·r a man sf ts repr e sPntinr a <!:I.strict who does nnt rrnresent the m;iioritv of peon]e in that rl1strirt. A~ HON.

MEMBER: (tnaudih]P). . - -· -·-- - ----··• - MR . :MURPHY: He had the rio.ht to. But r ,lo n0t !<now if there is :my wore to the honourable ·- One of the l!ent]el"en referred to the fact thnt it is the intention of this qovernment to phase out Lqhra~or Affairs.

I do not know. 'l'hrre has hecn nn clc 11 r--c11t nolicy hnt -'lny time T discuss Lahrador in 011r povernment 1 s;iv it is still c1 p1'1rt of the Province of Newfoundland ;ind I thi.nk it is one thinf'. th;it slionld be made cle:1r to everybodv that J .. ,hrador has the Rmre services ns any other part of thi s province ns fnr as dPpartMents are concerned . nR. fiARVEV • The honnnrnble minister m-'lrlr r<'ferenr .e tn a memher in th e House not re:,resentinr.: the maiority of th<' !H~onle in his district, who is that member? '-IR. MllRPHY: '!'he member T mentionecl vesterdav, Lc1hr,1nor North.

Tt was ,,_ three --way vote . rir.ht and I think t~e member repreRents some forty per · cent of the vote, Tam not sure but I sav it is n unique thinr and 1 pointed out yesterdnv where there was a coming chan11:e in Labrador, where there was more than one party in existenc .e. I was just spe,1kin~ of the fact that - A'.'l __ l~O_N_. __ ~}'.\B_E_~_:_ (Inaudible). MR. MURPHY: I c!o not know. These thinrs have not been cJpd,:led yet but it is j llSt a fact. I would sav th11t it is a unlone thi TIP' that the n O !. 3 '" i

June 9, 1972- Tape 658 former Minister of Labrador Affairs ,,who has done the job, a tremendous job, according to what we heard from one of his col leagues, and I have no quarrel with the honourable-member, but still after doing all this he still could not get a majority of the votes to he elected,in the sense, and when I say a majority it is a clear majority of the voters. But as far again as Labrador is concerned there are many, many items and perhaps we could spend two or three weeks speaking of it, of the things that are needed.

I believe that Labrador still, and I h;i.ve heard it said I do not know by whom, but it is the last frontier for !'!ewfoundland,if we are to have industrial develonment. T listened to Monsignor O'Brien two weeks ago in Labrador City who told us,he is some eighty-eip.ht or eighty-nine years o]d. who has travelled Labrador as a missioner since 1911, and he userl an expression, and I do not know if I have it correct, he said, "Rather than say that Labrador is the land that God gave to Cain rather it is Abraham's Land of Promise,•· and I think that is basically a tremendous thing.

I think the honourable member for Labrador North quoted earlier today about this development on the Lower Churchill, we have the Linerboard Mill and I hope please God that it will produce,with the help of the men we have workinp., The base is still a bit of a worry to us but generally I believe that things are looking good 1 but we must get into Coastal Labrador. Now I was speaking of this building and I said my fondest wish would be to have a public building right there in Happy Valley-Goose Bay Area that would tie in both ends of the coast.

We have in Happy Valley a residence there with a permanent commissioner, a permanent representative of th'e government who handles any routine calls that comes up. His job is to work with any member there, He is not a political appointee as such. He is a civil servant and I think his job is to work with anybody. Of course, the minister goes and visits 2044 JM - 3 .- .

June 9, .1972 Tane 1>58 there surelv, as hf' has the same nriviJ er.es. But what I wonl d like t.o see.and I think we h:'lVe the plan for it.whether it is the JT1ernher for Labrador 1~est.

South cir 'forth. if the Coast of Labrador is to he served we have to have a verv. verv 11cti•,e nerson, vc11m11,rnediurn or nerhans not too old who will travpJ th~t coast, keep in touch with the rne.mbcrs, whether thev are l.ibPral or 0 rogress1•.re Conservative. .f"f - 4 T th1nk thf' fate ot the pPonle is still in the hands of the eJecten memher,let ms forp :lt.;md T think hasfcallv although we are oolitic.al; we rici make i:mide remarks at each otlwr ~nt when we see ueonle 1so1ated, anrl as I said ves tc,rrl,iv, :mcl I rlo not w.~nt tn r.er,eat mvse 1 f. nerhirns the tou!!'1est winter ever knoun on the ro:ist of L;11'-rador anc' when T renorted here yesterrlav th,,t thi• nP•'7s 1 had recP:lved from r.artwrir:ht. where the"Sir .John CroshiP"tr.(' shin was steami.nr. at one Mi.le everv five hours in fortv --thrN' inch,'!': of ice.

Von know th"t i.s a lo: of ice ctnd T thin!< it is 5ti1 l 200 riil.es off. So sincr Nover.tber that is -~ lonr. 1 onr thw for nc-ople to be t j , d down in isolation. So basicallv ~lr. Chairm,in r ,10 not !:nm-, if T. hiwe answered al 1 the inqui rh's put l here but wh011 we <'OmP. tci thr i tei"s anvbody wants any elucid.at1on on the thi.nr. T nm onlv too hannv to give it. So ;ill I say i,: this that T am trvi.n7 to ro the hest I can with wt,at knowlPdr.e 1 have.

I mav not know all ahout T.ahrador bnt T think I know a fair bit ahout ,wonle. 11bo11t the.ir nePds 1 as I lrnvP serve<l them here in thi,:; l'ouse For nine vears. B;isically,I think that where - ever you live the 1Jasic needs of a family are the same.

The~- want to earn perhaps a decent 1 ivinr. have a decent home. have the comforts of life, So as far as Lahrador is concerned, a?-ain let us all work torether and if the time co~es that it is decided to phase out,well 1 certa:tnlv hone that H will l>e acr:ente.<1 into ,the orbit of r.overnment the same as anv other nnrt of this nrovince of ours. i..<~. 1-lOODTvARD: ~r. Ch.~trr'.lan, while I have the lati.tucle and on the

June 9, 1972 · Tape 658 JM - 5 es timat es before we ~e t into the he adinits, I wonld like t o say to the honourable minister if he rec alls, and while lam spealdn~ 1 1 did not pet a satisfactory answer on a puhli c 1mildin ~ for Happy Valley, if he rec alls prior to the March elec tion, and r thi nk he was i>ccomnani.acl by a number of ministers, two, three, four other ministers i nto Happy Valley . and it was discussed with the. Town Council of Happy Valley a oublic buildi n~. Maybe it the minister would care to elaborat e a hit more on wha t took place . MR. MURPHY: ... ---······ .

T am sorry, it hacl been s poken abo ut but the honmtrable Minister of Health and t he honou-i:able Mini ster of l'ublic Works anti lliJ?hwavs we visitecl f.! 046 ,.

June q, 1972 Tape 659 PK - 1 MF. MllRPHY = T,ahra,1or WE>st and had a look at the hospital. Then we went to Happy Valley.'ifo met wi.th an educati.on committee under Reverend Father Charlie and his group. 1,1e met with the Council at seven o'clock that nip.ht.

TherE> were many things discussed and I think one of the serious things at the time was the river thing that c11me unrler consideration and Dr, Farrell or thf' ~fini .ster of Puhlic Works or Highways,whatever classiff_cation you want to place him, made up notes that nip.ht with the idea of going into the tliinp,whf.ch he did. llut unfortunately and nossf.hly th-fs was not know, he was very seriously ill and shortly aftervards and as a com1e11uence our return visit to renew talks on this huildinp. df.d not come up. llut at that meetfnp, it was imriarted to us 1·y Counci 1 that if therP was any huildinp, to go in Pappy \'alley they would 11.ke to he the ones to erect i.t ra ,: her than p.overmnent,if we did have the monev or did have the desire to do it, p,o out and hui lei a buildinl!. that the r:ounci l pould hnild a building.

ThE>re vould he space there for the cnnrt 11t the time_ for their own Council Chamber. for departments, he ,.,,ent through the whole works 11nd that povernment woul<l rent from them r11ther than huild our own huil df.np and .Ii• "'ould heco11e a mun1.cipal, i. f you like, like our City 11,d J. in thfa way and hy do:lnp this and by p..etting a p,uarantee from f!OVernrnent,which we were in no position to r;ive.

T think ai 0 vJ,ody can understand t-hat, That with this 3,.arantee of occupancy of so many offices at so much per year they would be in a pos:ltion to go to the hank with this th:lnp . , Deputy Mavor Warr has mentioned th:l .s th:lnp; s1.nce and l tole! him as far as we were concerned we were not at any stage to discuss it any further. I do not know if they had a plan drawn up. T.t was suggested at the time that they might draw a plan. T. think the honourahle 'Minister of Health who was there that nip.ht can bear me out on just how far that had gone. Rut still it is a darn r,ood idea. 2047

June 9, 1972 Tape 659 PK - 2 On motion subheads 1901 through 1903 carried. MR, WOODWARD: Mr. Chairman, if I may on 1904-02, there has been an increase over last year of $10,000. I am wondertng if the minister at this time with the additional increase each year or the normal rate of passengers, the growth of passengers travellinR to and from Labrador and looking for this particular suhs1.dy, does he feel that the $10,000 is sufficient or was there sufficient funds there last year?

MR. l'!URPHY : Yes, everythinf? turned out all right hut we feel that this is a kind of natu,ral increase, if not we will have to go and look for supplementary supply. But basically you can only project the figures. MR. WOODWARD: The honourable Minister of Finance does not give supplementary supply this year. MR. MURP!-IY: Well does the honourable member want an answer or does he want me to inform the House about the honourable the Minister of Finance.

I have been asked a question and that is the answer I give, Sir, that we hope this will be sufficient, if not, there will be nobody denied their air subsidy when the time comes. MR • ~•JOODWARD : ~. CROSBIE: Very well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. 1904-03, Mr. Chairman, I have the pleasure of moving an increase in this vote. }fR. ROBERTS : Hurrah! ------- }fR_. CROSBIE: That is for the Opposition,on the government side, you mean. I would move, no, 03. MR. MURPHY: 04. MR. CROSBIE: 04, I am sorry. 1904-04. Okay could you call 03 then.

On motion 03 carried, MR, CROSBIE: 04 - There is a mistake in the fiP-ure here because 2048

June 9. 1972 Tape 659 · PK - 3 MR, CROSilTE, apparently $30,000 was thoup:ht to he the cost last year hut it was only the cost for four months last year. So, therefore, I would move an increase 1n the voti> from $50,000 to S90,00'l, an increase of $40,00'1, MR, 1.fUR.PHY: Now whc has a heart of conscience, come on? ?•lR. WOODWARD: ~fr, Chairman, I am verv moved at this time to see the honourahle '-1:1.nister of Finance so ably moving an increase to this suhsidy. Pora period of time I felt that we would have to suspend the service for four months of the year owing to the suhsidy not heinp: provided.

So I think that the honourahle Mi.nister of Finance does deserve a word of praise, MR. MURPHY: Hasical.ly :ft was the f,mlt of the minister who was aware of some of the impact of a contract made last Decemher. But as I said last nip;ht,when T went to look for it in mv office there was nothinp; in the minister's f:I Les. T understood that they were transferred to Goose P.ay. ~o through the p:ood efforts of the Depu~y Minister,who put me on the rip:ht track, evervthinF? is al.I r.ip:ht. MR.

HAJlVEY: I for.Rive the honourable ~inister for Labrador Affairs and thank the honourable "inister of Finance for tl,.t! increase. ~m , CflA T'R1'\AN • 'l'he motion is 1<)04-04 :l.nstead of reading !':5n,onn, the increase would be to sqn,oon, an additional $40,000. On motion subhead 1904 r.~rr~ 0 d. MR. MURPHY· Mr. Chairman, I have f:l.nished it up and I would like to thank everybody very s:f.ncerely for th~ very active interest they took in Provincial Affairs and Lal,rador Affairs. AN HON. MEMBER· - - --- - - It is not finished yet, ~R!!lY: _ It is not finished yet?

I:'!.:.. _C11AI~ It is moved that the total subhead be increased by $40,000. ~049

June 9, 1972 Tape 659 On motion total subhead increased by $40,000 carried. On motion BJock Provision: Canada Pension Plan carried. On motion Block Provision; Unemployment Insurance carried. On motion total as amended carried, On motion Subhead XIX - Labrador Affairs carried. PK - 4 2050

June 9, 1972 Tape no. 660 Pagel. - MRW On motion that the committee rise report having passed estimates of expenditure under the follow1.nr. heading: Labrador Affairs and all items with some amendments, item 1904-04,and ask leave to sit again, Mr. Speaker returned to the Chair. On motion report received and adopted. On motion committee ordered to sit again on tomorrow. MR. ROWE (lv.N.): Hr.

Speaker, before we r.o on, 1 think the hon, Minister of Provincial Affairs ad;ourned the debate the last time and 1 believe, subject to correction by my honour;ible friend, that if you are in the middle of a speech and you adjourn the debate, then you cannot rel lnquish your turn with the expectation of speaking again. Now 1 mention that for the benefit of the honourable minister. If he wants to speak again, he cannot give it up now and come in later. MR. MARSHALL: On the point of order, Mr. Speaker. The situation is (the lion. member for White Bay is eorrect.

I mean he could not speak apain) in actual fact the hon. Minister of Provincial Affairs all he did was just merely adjourn the debate. Having adjourned the debate, of course, that dor.s not mean. he necessad ly has to speak. 1 t means he has the courtesy of the House which wil 1 be afforded to him to speak which he may decline, The fact that he is not electinp, his prerogative, does not mc•an that he loses his chance to speak, 1 think thls is the s i tuatjon, He was not in the middle of his speech, He just adjourned, s o consequently - MR.

ROWE (W.N.): If the honourable minister merely ad1oumed the debate before speakinp,, the position is as I stated, Sir. MR. SPEAKER: Does the honourable House agree that the honourable minister does not lose his right to speak? Agreed, MR, NEARY: Mr. Speaker, 1 think it will be a pity if the hon. member for St. John's South lost his turn jn this debate because I am sure that after he listens to me this afternoon, that there are a few things that he may like to say a little later on in the debate. 20~1

Tape no. 660 Page 2 June 9, 1972 MR. MURPHY: Is the honourable member referrini; to •he h, n. mt?.mber for St. John's South? MR. NEARY: No, Mr. Speaker, I am referring to the hon. member for St. John's Centre. Did I say St. John's South? The honourabJe mi.nister wears so many hats, Mr. Speaker, these days you <l o not know how to -refer to him. I was very happy this afternoon to hear the Minister of Finance announce an increase in the subsidy for Coastal Labrador. We have been lead to bel i eve now for the last week or ten days that the cupboard was bare.

The minister managed to find a few dollars this afternoon which shows, Mr. Speaker, that he does have a heart. I do not know what kind of pills the doctor has prescribed for the honourable minister but I would suggest that if he is on the pill, Mr. Speaker, that he put them in front of him on his desk this ~fternoon because he may need them before I am finished. Mr. Speaker-, post-election delivery i s a far matter from pre-election promises for our new Tory Government.

Remember, Mr, Speaker, all the ramping and raving, both inside and outside the House of Assembly and over radio and on television and in the newspapers about the paving of the Bonavista Highway, the road at Brown's Arm, paving of the Great Northern Peninsula, extension to the Mental Hospital, Elizabeth Towers, unemployment, welfare allowances, health services and ;ust about every other matter you could mention, Sir. Well, Mr.

Speaker, after all the belly-aching from members of the new Tory Government, when they sat on this side of the honourable House, one would expect to find some of the answers to these problems in the budget which was brought down last Wednesday by the ·hon. Minister of Finance. (It is all in there,the honourable minister says). We11 let us find out what is in there, ~~. Speaker, if the honourable minister would just give me a ,chance to carry on my few remarks, •~e will find out maybe a few things which are not in there and a few things in there that maybe should not be in there.

Instead of announcing steps towards the brave new 2052 -~

June 9, 1972 Tape no. 660 Page 3 >Ir. Neary. world, ~Ir. Speaker, that the Tories have been preaching about and promising over the laHt two or three vears, our big-hearted Minister of Finance l!ave notice last Wed1wsdav that there would be little sYmp11thy for the steady flow of requests for improved puh] ic services in this province for the twelve month period iust ahead. In a cold, calculated manner, Sir, the Mini:ster of Finance jammed on the brakes on expenditure which wi 11 brinp, nur pr.eat march fon~ard for the past· twen tv years to an abrupt halt. Now, Mr. Speaker. I do 1,ot know if the hon.

Minister of Finance has a psvcholnricill quirk about poor people for it is they, Sir, who wil.l hear the brunt of the minister's axe, The honourahle minister says "bunkum" ~Ir. Speaker. It is a fact. Ynu would swear, Sir., you would s•,.1ear that the honn11rahle minister had ice water in his veins as he stood in front of the. televi.sion cameras, exposed to the peop.le of the province and announced the new Tory Gow•rnment 's dreadful policv of slashinp.: expP11dit11res which,in my opi.nion, Mr.

Speaker, will wreck the economv of this province and send our unemplovment fip:ures sky- rocket Ing next fall and winter. l 1R..:_ ~ROSBTE: (Inalldible). MR. Nl~ARY: The honour ah l.e minister says "junk." Well we will see. Mr. Speaker, unlike some of our sister provinc~s that are highly industrialized the economy of this province (the honourable minister knows this) depends larRely on p:overnment spending, lt is virtually impossible, Sir, to speed up the economy once you have slowed it down no matt.er what the reason is for slowing jt down. Xfr, Speaker, any Grnde I II student knows thi'>.

I am sure that the hon. M:inis ter of Finance knows that this is true. Yet despite all thi.s, Mr. Speaker, the minister elected to slam on the brakes and let the chips fall where they mav. For all the strong: words the honourable minister used in his speech, Mr. Speaker, he was unable to cover up the fact that there wil 1 still be record borrowing .1nd a current account deficit this year. n Or· 3 ,., .)

June 9, 197~ Mr. Neary Tape no . 660 Page 4 The very thin i , Mr. Speaker, that the Tories when they were in opposition most criticiz e d the Liberals for . "!'he mlo.' s te r tried to cover up thi s fact by goin g aboard t he previous adminlstratioly which seems to be the trend which t hey have es tablish ed i n thei.r firs t few months in office. Well, tfr .

Speaker , 1 want to inform the Minister of Finan ce and his colleagues on the other side of the House that now the people of Newfoundland and Labrador have had a chance to study the bud ge t , to diges t the contents of the budr,e t, reac tion is buildi ng up1 Mr. Speaker, and the r e i s bitt er resentment agains t it, Sir, for the - AN HON • MEMBER: (Inaudible) 20r.i4

June 9, 1972, Tape 661, Page 1 -- apb . l1R. NEARY: The hon. member does not have the same pipeline as members on this side of the House. AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible) 1'1R. NEARY: ------- --- The hon. mi.nister is probably movinp, in the wrong- circles because, Sir, it is the masses of our people, the ones who will suffer most are the ones who resent this budget. Even though, Ji!r. Speaker, the hon. Prernier and his colleagues are planning on running a pipeline into every news media in thls province to pump in its propaganda, Sir, not a single word of i,t will be believed by the people of this province.

It is not talk they want, Nr. Sneaker, it is action. They want action, Sir, not talk. Mr. Speaker, as a member of Her )'-iaj es ty' s Loyal Opposition in this House of Assembly, along with the ma.1ority of people in this province, we will be watching with great interest the serious impact resulting from the curtailment of the university capital works, the cancellation of the mothers' allowances •.. }'R. CROSBIE: Why did you not rive them the money last year? You gave them nothing last year. }'R. NEARY: -----·---- Mr.

Speak.er, T wish the hon. minister would take one of his pills and let me carry on with Tl'.y remarks. MR. NURPHY· (Inaudible) }4!'l_. _ _ll_~__R_Y_·.. When I get around to the hon. member for St. John's Centre, he will wish that he had taken a powder before the afternoon is over, '.fr. Speaker. Everythinp: has been sweetness and light in this Fouse for the last couple of days, but the hon. minister for Provincial Affairs always manages to get his little dips in. All right, he had better be prepared to accept a few this afternoon, Mr. Speaker.

The trouble with the members on the opposite side of the House is that they can dish it out but they cannot take it. We will find out very soon,~fr. Speaker, what the mothers of this province think ahout having their allowances cancelled. We will find in September what the students over at ~lemorial University think 2oa5

June 9, 1972; Tape 661, Page 2 -·- apb about the minister stiffening up the Student•Ai<l R.egulatfons and the elimination of the student - teacher hursaries. 'fr. Speaker, it will be interesting to see how this government weathers the storm of their first budget. We have seen examples already in this honourable House, Mr. Speaker, where the roof is starting to come down around their ears, Sir. We have seen the Minister of Education and the Minister of Finance, and we saw it here again this afternoon, shift their ground on a number of occasions in the last week or so. }'r.

Speaker; what does Your Honour think would he the reaction of the people of this province when they find out that the PreMier's office is costing the taxpayers of this province nearly a quarter of a million dollars annually? l'nder ~•r. Smallwood, Mr. SpeakPr, under Mr. Smallwood, the Premier's office cost $142,000. Under Premier Moores it is going to cost the taxpayers a quarter of a millipn dollars. What will our people say, Mr.

Speaker, when they discover that Premier Moores has an executive assistant who receives $19,000 a year and a parliamentary assistant, Sir, a luxury that this province cannot afford, $10,000 a year'1 There are three others in his office, Sir, in the $11,000 a year range. Of course, Mr. Speaker, of course, there is that infamous Director of Information Services at $15,000 per annum, Dr. Goebbels. Would you believe, Mr. Speaker, would the members of this House believe that the total staff in the Premier's office at this moment is twenty-six and climbing steadily? AN HON. ~'EMBER: What about Trudeau? MR. NEARY: lfr.

Speaker, we are not quite as wealthy as the Government of Canada. Nr. Speaker, what will univeristy students and mothers in this province do whe~ they learn that the government has four persons employed for the purpose of giving information and pictures to the news media? Total salaries, $50,000, Mr. Speaker. Incredible! What will the taxpayers in this province say when they find this out? It is not for putting out pictures, Mr. Speaker, of children who are ,.

June 8, 1972, Tape 661, Page 3 -- apb av1d.lahle for adoption in this province, but pictures of the hon. ministers, the honourable member for St. John's Centre ... "~ • t'URPHY • HP-. NEARY: ·· ---- ·-·-- (Inaudible) I am sure he talr.es a beautiful photograph, Mr. Speaker, especially in colour. His chest is so big these days and he is after gettinp.. so swelled headed since he became minister sitting on that side of the House, Sir, that you will never get a camera larr-e enourh in this province to talce a picture of the hon. minister. Why, he can hardly get up in the elevator in Confederation Building. ~•.R.

J"UJ'll'IIY '. NR. NF.ARY· (Partly inaudible) that will p:o down in posterity. }'r. Speaker, I am sure too that the hard worJ.·inp fishermen of this province will he very happy to learn that a portion of the revenue of doubling the taxes on tobacco products will help pay the salary of a provincial sculptor. In addition to gettinp, his picture taken. •·•r. Speaker, the hon. met"her for St. John's Centre may some day have his bust out in front of Confederation Buildinp,. AN HnN. r'F:tlBER. Buried,I hope. i!P.. J,llJRPHY • l 1r. Spealrer, I cannot let that last rel"lark p..o, Sir.

Pith reference to this sculptor, is the wemher insinuating that I hired a sculptor thjs year 1972-73? NR . NEARY No, Sir , }'R. ' ·!T.JRPHY: Go on then, tell us the facts so the people may know, not me, I know the facts. Do not try to mislead the public, tell them all about it. MP. NEARY· ------ ·--· t•r. Speaker, the hon. minister will get a few facts before the afternoon is over if he wi]l just sit in his seat for a few moments, maybe pet a pill from the ~inister of Finance to keep his blood pressure doi,m. f-''R. l'llRPHY· -~- -- - Point of Order, ~lr. Spe2ker, please.

The statement made hy the hon. member I think wi 11 lead people. to think that I, as Minister of Provincial Affairs,hired a sculptor and paid him a salarv this year. Now that is absolutely false. The sculptor has been on the payroll'! 20~7

June 9, 1972, Tape 661, Page 4 -- apb think for the past three or four year, I do not know how many years. I would like to have that corrected. MR. NEARY: ?-Ir. Speaker, to that Point of Order, would the hon. member just keep quite and take his seat and just let me repeat what I said? '!-4R • VUR.Pl!Y: Has Your Honour yet decided on the insinuation, Sir, or not, or has the member taken over as Speaker too? On that Point of Order, lfr. Speaker, there is no Point of Order when it is a matter of a disagreern .. :nt between two members on a pojnt of fact.

Whether what one pei-son says is true or not may be disputed at a subsequent time in debate by another member,as to whether it was true or false or mistaken or erroneous. There is no Point of Order to be raised on a point of fact like that, Sir. }fR SPEAKER : ------ I think we will have to accept the honourable member's reasoning. When he ·said he did not hire a sculptor, we will have to take that as fact. MR. NEARY: I do not care who hired the sculptor, I do not care who hired him, what I said - let me repeat, Pr. Speaker, what I said.

I said,•~ am sure that the hard working fishermen of this province will be very happy to learn that a portion of the revenue that will be collected by the J,,!inister of Finance in doubling the tax~s on tobacco products will ·help pay the salary of ·a pro-,incial sculptor!' How can the hon. minister take exception to that, Sir? AN HON . ME1"BER: (Inaudible) MR, NEARY: ··------- I did not say any such thing. I beg the hon. minister's pardon, Mr. Speaker, that is precisely what I said, exactly what I said. 20~8

June 9, 1972, Tane 662. Page 1. I would suggest to the honourable minister he go down and take a course in listening. MR.SPE~KER: Order. MR.NEARY: Mr, Speaker, I think I have the right to carry on my few remarks without interruntions from the other side of the llouse. :TR.SPEAKER: The memher does have the right to he heard in silence, MR.NEARY: Thank you, Mr. Sneaker. Regarding the tobacco tax, Sir, I doubt very much if the Minister of Finance will get h-ts $4 million that he expects to get from this tax anyway, as most of the people were only looking for an excuse in the interest of their health to Quit smoking.

I understand tno, Sir, I do not know if the honourable minister has quit himself, I understand Sir, that roll vour own kits are in great demand these days. Those who cannot quit, Sir, who do not have the will newer to give un smoking,! expect that thev will be rolling their own in future. I do not think the tax apnlie• to plug tobacco. They will be buying plugs and rolling their own.

Mr, Speaker, it is almost impossible to imagine the damage that this government has done to th1f.s r,rovince in such a short time, Why, Si.r,from the soeeches ~Te have heard in this House of Assemblv so far this session one would get the impression that the members of the government still think they are in 6pposition, Not one constructive idea,Sir, has vet come from the other si.rle of the llot1Rf' in this session of the Legislature. I think,Mr.

Speaker, that it is just about time that the government kept some of its election promises and outlined some of the measures that they hope to take to keep these nromises. Mr. Speaker, will hospitals, roads, water and sewerage, schools, all the other improvements that we need in public services in this province be done on a pav-as-you-go basis, Is this the new Tory n~ilosophy? If so, Mr. Speaker, I am afraid that the citizens of this province are in for l.l very rude awakening and a rude :iolt. The Commission "O r·g ,.., :J

June 9, 1972. Tape 662. Page 2. of Government Mr. Speaker, will only be in the shade to our Tory friends on the other side of the House. Indeed, Sir, it lnoks vE:ry much to me, to the people of this province as if the old saying Tory times are hard times',' is coming true again. of it,Sir, with every day that passes . \,1e are seei •-,g evidence Now, Mr. Speaker, I would like to deal with the minister's reference. to material to repair houses on Bell Isl111nd.

I want to, first of all, Sir, remind honourable members of this House that in 1966 a major disaster took olace in Newfoundland when DOSCO pulled out of Bell Island leaving the peonle over there economically marooned. The phase out of mining operations on Bell Island Sir, began in 1959 when the first mine closed,involvinp a lay-off of nearly 600 men, nlost of whom were heads of households. You may recall, Mr.

Speaker, that following a number of successive .close-downs many families were forced to relocate in other parts of Newfoundland and indeed,Sir, in other parts of Canada, So, that these people who were forced to leave Bell Island,Sir, could at least re·cover a small part of their investment in their homes and property, a special housing programme was implemented whereby the province guaranteed an owner who was leaving Bell IsVimd a minimum price of $1,500 for the sacrifice that he would have to leave behind.

Well, Sir, somewhere in the vici~ity of three to four hundred houses were acquired under this programme, most of which were turned over to the occupants in 1971. Now, Sir, as these dwellings were in the main occupted by welfare recipients, as all other houses on Bell Island had greatly deteriorated since the 1959 phasedown commenced, no repairs made on the houses, the depart~lnt of Social Services & Rehabilitation was called upon to provide material to make the homes waterproof and wind tight. The only alternative, Sir, was to build new homes ei.ther on Bell Island or on the local mainland.

The building of homes Mr,Speaker 2060 ,,

June 9, 1972. Tape 662. Page 3. for several hundred families on Bell Island would have cost the province twenty-five times the amount exnended from the Deoartment of Social Serv~_ces ~ Rehabilitation in rendering the ex:1.sting homes habitable. I would say, Sir, the exi:ienditure on Bell Island renairing homes, although anparently larpe and apparently disturbes the minister greatly,was absolutelv necessary Sjr. It waR the least amount that could be managed on the pr,mise "'r.

Sneaker, that our social obligations to recipients of Social Assistance,of peonle who were forced ,,n welfare through no fault of their own ,include the provision of human existence in our particular climatic environment. Our St, John's millionaire minister of Finance does not know anvthing about that Mr.

Speaker. 11e singled out Bell Island for cri.tici sm, and the money spent on the neces,;;,,ry repairs of these homes for four or five hundred Bell Island families, ••rho I would like to i.nform the minister had been solelv denendent on welfare since other Montreal millionaires robbed them of their means of livelihood. Mr. Speaker, the honourable minister wept no crocodi_le tears when over an amount of twenty times that total soent on Bell Island went to buy the votes of the people of Burgeo.

No crocodile tears from the minister then, I want to tell the .minister that on the basis of population the nrice of the votes in Burfeo looks to be somewhere in the vicinity of $2,000 to $2,500 each for a total of at least $3 million gouged ou·t of the provincial treasur:,', Sir, to buy that d istrtc.t for the minister of Finance and his colleagues on March 24th. Mr. Speaker, I am cominr, to the mill at Stenhenville I have a few things I have to say before the afternoon is over about that mill in S,tenhenville, what I think of what the mini.ster did in Stephenville. ( inaudible) MR.NEARY: Mr.

Speaker, does the honourable minister want ne to answer that? Does the honourable minister know the purnose of the trip? What was the purpose of the trin? Mr. Speaker, I want to inform the t061

June 9, 1972. Tape 662 Page 4. honourable member, right here and now, the right honourable the sneeky junior member for Harbour Main South - Mr. Speaker can table them if he wants to, but I will tell you that that tri p to Labrador and my honourable colleague the member for Labrad0r North can verify thi~ Mr. Speaker, the honourable member for Labrador North can verify this, that that trip to Labrador saved this province hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Prove it? There was a wildcat strike on with Javelin Forest Products when I went into Northern Labrador as acting minister of Labour.

I resolved that dispute Mr, Speaker, in cooperation with the member for Labraddr North and came back the same night, Mr, Speaker . I want to tell the honourable member that I was sent there by my colleagues . I left this building 6.30 p.m. one evening 1 got aboard of a plane, went down and resolved this dispute, this labour dispute in L~ke Melville,and was home in my bed again one o'clock that night. I want to ask the honourable mit;!l.ster a question seeing that he raised it,Mr. Speaker. Has the government changed its policy now? Are ministers given car5 on a permanent basis?

Go down in front of Elizabeth Towers, Mr. Speaker, if the honourable minister wants to save the taxpayers of 2062 ......

June <J, 1972 Tape.663 J!>I - 1 this nrov:lnce a few dollars and see the car of the Minister of Socid . Services parked out front while he is usinp. one th,:,t helonJTs to the taxnayers of this province. Thf'Te is somethinr: for thP honourable minister to look into and the hnnourable t-linister of Pnb1 ic 1-!orks let him look into the white w;i.1] to wall bro11dloom that has been lalc1 in suite 309 in Elizc1beth Towers. sef' if the Rovernment h:is heen repaid for that yet. There :ire a few thin::,s for the honourahle minister to look into if he wants to save money. Mr.

Sneaker, the honourable member is dealing with the wrong man here. dealinp. with the wronp. Mnn. T would 1:1 ke for the honourable Minister to tell this House if the nenartrnent of Public Worhi has been repaicl for the white w11ll to wall hroadloom th11t has been l11id rPcentlv in suite 30<) in Elizabeth Towers. MR. CROSBIE: ----- - That has not heen rPnaid as they never paicl for 1t. l\fR. 1'JEARY: The hononrabl.e minister hetter checJ,, his fncts.

Tf thev dirl not pav for it why were the emnJovres of the Denartment of Pub.li.C" Hnrks over nnttinr cfown that C'arr,et? '!'he honourahle minister hetter c~ec:-k his facts ns he does not know evervthinm that is noinp on on that side of the H011se. noes the honou-ra .hle minister know that the ~•inister of Social Services has a car ever. si.nce he P.ot elected whi.1 e his own is parl:ed over. on the par1'inp lot? ~'R. CROSHIE: The nrevious mjni.ster used to have one. I do not know - MR. NEARY: For drivinp around town, Mr. Speaker . For c1rivinp. around St .. Tohn 's. MR. NF.ARV: 1 <lo not care what Mr. Vardy had.

Mr. Sneaker. I do not care vha t Mr. Va rely. That is n l 1 in the past. That is what we were critic:-izecl for. Are they p,oing to do the same thinp, Mr. Speaker? Are thev inst go1n.!' to have a vi.cleo tape of what happenecl in the past? Mr. Speaker, they have a lot to learn. I will exnect the ~OG3

June 9 , 1972 · Tape 663 honourable Minister of Supply and Services to hring me in the answers to the mattt:ers I just raised in this House as quickly as possible. AN HO~_ ~~·!!!ER: Put them on the order paper. MR. NEARY: -·------- I will put them on the order paner. Before the afternoon is over the honourable minister will be on the pill all ripht. Mr. Speaker, the honour ab] e minister wants to firht, welJ okav let us have a fivht. Let us have it, Mr.

Speaker, We have had peace and <]uietness and harmony in this House now for the last couple of days, everything sweetness and light, I thou~ht the minister's halo was starting to hurt. If the honourable Minister of Finance is so smart, Mr. Speaker, why does he not ~o down and settle that strike JM - 2 at Newfoundland Farm Products, seventy-five workers? Why not, Yr. Snellker? Why <loes the honourable.minister not go down and settle that dispute? Why take the hard line? The other day he told us it was an irresponsible action on the part of the employees. "Ir.

Sne11Jrer. this is a part of the free collective bargaining in this part of the world. He are not living in Russia, not livinp in Russia yet, ~r. Speaker. If the honourable minister is so smart let hi.m go ont ancl resolve that Jispute the same as J did with the one with Javelin Forest Products in Goose Bay. Thjs strike down here, Mr. Speaker, is costing the taxpayers of this province a subl,tanti11l amount of monev and it is the puhlic who are suffering, not the farmers as the honourable minister thinks. Mil· CR_Q_~l_!I_~ : It woul,d cost them a lot more if I did what you suggest. ~ .:..-~A_R,Y.~ Mr.

Speaker, it will cost a lot more with what the honourable minister is going to do by payinp: the farmers for their losses. It would be far better, Sir, if they gave a few more concessions to the employees. It would'cost far less, believe me, in the long run but the honourable minister likes to take the hard line. ~C.!3P .~RIE: What did the honourable member do with the teachers last year? 20G4

June 9. 1972 Tape 663 J~ - 3 ~~- -~Ff ~: But there were more teachers involved. There are seventv- five, seventy- ·five worlrers. Mr. Speaker. Just seventy-five Newfoundlanders. AN HON .. MEMBER: We were not bankruptin~ an industry either. MR. NEARY: --·~-·--- No, Mr. Speaker, and when the teachers were on strike we were not bankruptinp. an industry. Now, Mr. Speaker, if the honourable minister keeps nrovoldnl! me this afternoon there are a few more little suf!p.estions I have to make to him. MR. CROSBIE: We are not worriecl about anythinp: you say. ~R.

NEARY: A few more little sugp.estions, Sir. ~ -·- .r~R_OSBIE: So provoke all vou lil~e. come on now - MR. NEARY: 1ir. Speal:er, T would supgest the honourahle minister !!et his pills out because I am only half through yet. I a"1 only half throup:h. MR. CR0SRIE: The honourable mern.ber is half through al rearly, I think. MR. NEARY: Mr.

Speaker, one of the worst features of the Emlp.et anrl one which may have been overlooked by a lot of residents of Newfound] anc! bec1.111se of the torrent of political attack on the previous administration in the B~dp.et Soeech and the numerous phrases made hv the honourable r.entleman inoicating, Sir, a hostile attitude to presC'nt industrialists in this province who are strup.gling hard to make a go of their particular nro_iect in the province. Mr. Speaker, I want to tell the honour.able minister - MR. CROSBIE· (Inaudible). MR. NEARY: I will come to th11.t. I am corninl! to that.

If the .. - ·- . - --- - honourable minister wi11 _just be a little hit patient I will get around to Mr. novle and the Linerboard Mill and then the honourable minister may be like the iunior member for Harbour '1ain South, he may regret that he opened his mouth in this Hctuse. /111! HON. MEMBER: The. honourabh. rrember better check the vote again as 1 am sure it would be an eye opener. 2065

June 9, 1972 · Tape 663 JM - 4 MR. NEARY: Mr, Speaker, it does not take·word long to ret around in international circles that the government here in this little corner of the world, Sir, that the government here in this little corner of world , in this little island stuck out in the mid-Atlantic is hostile toward venture capital from outside thi.s province. MR._ CROSJHE: (Inaudible). MR. NEARY: Mr. Speaker, I hit a very sensitive spot with the honourable minister.

I want to say to the honourable minister that once outsiders are scared off our industrial develonment scene the honourable t.fini _ster of Finance and Economic Development will find himself faC'.ed with the desperate chore, Sir, of rettinr his fellow native millionaires to take their money out of stocks and bonds and put it into labour•intensive industry in this province. AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible .). MR. NEARY: .. -~ _.,. ·-- Mr.

Speaker, I do seriously, sincerely feel and stronglv feel, very stronr on this 1 that it is a mistake for the honourable minister or. his government or anybody else on that side of the House to harass businessmen esnecially those from outside the province. Hhat P,"overnment really should he doing, Sir, is creating an atmosphere whereby businesE and businessmen can flourish rather than destrov and tear down. Mr. Speaker, the honourable minister brouv.ht up the Linerboard Mill and I want to inform the honourable minister, Mr.

Speaker, that the take over of the Linerboard Mill at Stephenville came as no surprise to me. It merely confirmed, and the honourable minister knows this, what I had been saying for the last six or seven months, Sir. The reason I was saying it, Sir, that the Tory Government through their spokesman, the' Finance Minister, publicly stated, Si.r, publicly stated that when they assumed office in this province that they would banish the Doyles and Shaheens. Sir, you mark my words, you mark my ~066 .....

.Tune O , l '172 Tap e · 66J .J~I - 5 1mrds that with the tot.1S?h words that were 11sPd in the Minister ' s Iludp.et Sr,er.i::h thot it wil J not he too J onp.. Sir, ,when there wi 11 be 11 showdown with th<- ":11 refinery neonle nt Come by Chance . The h:mdwritinr. is on till' w11l l. 51 r, for th,H oil refinc>rv at ComP. hy Chance and it ·was ohvious. !'Ur. rj~l1t from the time thnt this t!overnment took over on .l;mu;irv 18 that the handwritinr 1,r;1s on the wall for the lincrboard . 1 pred i ct.

Sir, th11t the Comp hy Ch,'.lnc<' Oil Pefinery will meet th<- s:1me fate A.nd the: r•urpose thi :<1 rime, Sir. the !ntl"l>ORP in this instance the oil rE"finPrv at C:c,Mr hy r.h;,nce wnulc! annear t o me at least to be the miui.ster puttini- the credi.hili ty of this rwovince in danr,er to satisfy his Nm p<>rsonn] l·!go. to vindi.r.:ite hir,srl (, S:!r. to 1nst:1 fy his actic,ns ovl?r the nast two or three vc:ns . ttcmcrnbcr. Mr. Spe".ll<er, \

June 9, 1972 . Tape 664 NB - l Mr. Speaker, remember this,the minister and a number of his colleagues went around this Province for the last three or four years beefing their gums over four projects, Four, Sir! Four that the Liberal Administration had the gumption to start. Number one, the Come By Chance Oil Refinery. Number two, the Stephenville Linerboard Mill. Number three, the Newfoundland Bulletin. Number four, Mother~ Allowance. Let me open the eyes of the hon. members in this House this afternoon, Mr. Speaker.

I submit sir, that in the main the criticism of certain members on the opposite side of the House was leveled at these four items. It must be obvious, Mr. Speaker, to members on both sides of the House by now that a pattern has been established. Three of these projects, Mr. Speaker, to which I referred to a few moments ago have been ruthlessly dealt with. The hon. minister will not be content, Sir, until he has accomplished the ultimate tn his personal crusade to vindicate himself.

That is to force the Come By Chance Oii Refinery into the position of becoming distressed merchandise, up for grabs by some Tory millionaire, Sir, who did not have the guts to start it in the firs .t place. Incidentally, Mr. Speaker, all previous criticism of the hon. minister and his colleagues goes down the drain with the take-over of the Linerboard Mill. For, Sir, not only have they increased our provincial debt by the amount needed to pay off Mr. John C. Doyle, but are now making the entire Linerboard debt the entire and sole responsibility of the Province.

An amount, Sir, that I would estimate in excess of $160,000,000, A big, big, price, Mr. Speaker, to pay for pre-election grand stand play by hon, members on the opposite side of the House but I am sure, Sir, one that will misfire as soon as the people of Newfoundland and Labrador under­ stand what is happening. Mr. Speaker, ·I do not hear any comments from the hon. minister now. The hon. minister knows I am right. The hon, minister knows I am right. No pills out yet. Oh,we will just see if we can get the pills out, ~OG8

June Q, 1972 Tape 664 NB - 2 Mr. Speaker, concerning the ~others'Allowance there is still some hope, Sir, that the allowance will be continued, In response to my request last Thursday in this hon, House as to whether the Federal Government's hoist of the new family security plan for a year would cause the Tory government to reconsider their ruthless elimination of this allowance. ln common with mothers all over this Province, Mr. Speaker, I was glad to hear the minister state that once that this delay is confirmed and j I' has been confirmed since then, that the minister would reconsider. So, Mr.

Speaker, there is still hope tha t next September mothers will receive the regular back to school allowance. I do hope, of course, Mr. Speaker, that the two and one half or the three million dollars,whatever the cost of the allowance is,will not result in the restoration of the social security tax on children's clothes. Perhaps, ~r. Speaker, the allowance could be re­ instated hy delaying final payment in the Burgeo Fish Plant sell out. AN HON. MEMBER: Inaudible MR. NEARY: You would never know, ~r. Speaker, never know. The hon . member should ask the hon. memher for Placentia East. Mr.

Speaker, in connection with the dropping of the Newfoundland Bulletin, I feel it is now up to this government and especially the Premier to present at once to this House cost figures on the new very expensive propaganda service being built up to take its place. My bet, Sir, is that the $125,000 generally estimated cost of the Newfoundland Bulletin will look like chicken feed by comparison. A.~ HON. MEMBER: It would have cost $180,000 last year. MR. NEARY: Mr. Speaker, the hon. minister said it would have cost $180,000 last year. That we do not know.

Even if it did cost $180,000 it would look like chicken feed compared to the propaganda machine that is now being created down on the eighth floor. Mr. Speaker, I was amused recently when the hon. member for St, John's East in a recent·speech 1 I think it was to the Knights of Columbus, was severely critical of news media in this Province. Surely, Mr. Speaker, the hon. member's statement was either made out of ~~ 0 G 9

June 9, 1972 • Tape 664 NB - 3 ignorance or hypocrisy. Surely the hon. member himself must assume his share of the blame for creating a kind of situation in this Province that he spoke about to the Knights of Columbus. In case he does not, Mr. Speaker, accept that responsiblity, may I remind the hon. member of this scandalous hiring of two former newspaper men which as I stated last night, Mr. Speaker, has all the appearances of a bribe for their pre­ election cooperation in newspaper reporting. Why, now, Mr. Speaker? Why the holier than thou attitude all of a sudden by the hon. minister?

Is the hon. minister having pangs of conscience watching the govcn1ment payroles being padded with pitiful individuals who,as I said last night, remind me of monkeys on the backs of tax payers in this Province? I would not mind it so badly, Mr. Speaker, if this Goebbels type propaganda machine was serving any useful purpose for our people, but it is just doing the opposite. Let me show hon, members what is happening. MR. DAWE: Inaudible. MR. NEARY: Let me show hon. members what is happening, Mr. Speaker, and if the hon. junior member for Harbour Main South will just keep quiet, I will show him what is happening.

Instead of bringing government to the people, Sir, it is protecting the government from the people. A closed door policy has emerged with this new system and believe me, Mr. Speaker, it is common talk these days of how hard it is to get to see the hon, Premier and his ministers. People phoning, Sir, or coming to Confederation Building are pawned off on some party flunky or expensive assistant, I am told, Sir, that it does not make any difference the distance one has to travel to get into Confederation Building.

If you life in the city or if you live in the rural areas, you are considered as a bother, if you try to get an audience with any of the ministers in this government. Mr. Speaker, I want to remind hon, ministers'that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights provides for adequate representation in government for all the people without prejudice or discrimination. Someone should tell Mr. McLean, Mr. Speaker, that it 20'i'O

June 9, 1972 Tap~ 664 NB - 4 may be possible to get away with this sort of impersonal treatment in some of the ridings in Toronto , but it is not acceptable in this Province and our people will not tolerate such brazen arrogance very much longer. Expensive publi c relations firms, Sir, may be able to mold o certain amount of public opinion, but I do not envy th e Bay :,t reet hays in tryi ng to shap e up public opinior,, Sir, with some of the material that they have to work with on the opposite side of the House.

June 9, 1972 Mr. Neary: Tape no. 665 Page l MRW Mr. Speaker, I would like to say a few words now about unemployment and education and how these two are related, Incidentally, Mr. Speaker, it would be interesting to find out what the unemployment figures are at this particular time, It would be interesting to find out what they will be six months from now, twelve months from now. We will see, Mr. Speaker, We will see. With the kind of budget the honourable minister brought into this House, we will see. Mr.

Speaker, our provincial unemployment rate, despite our annual increases in the number actually employed, points up the need for a thorough rethinking of our educational and even our vocational training programmes, Since, Sir, the number of young people are pouring into the labour market annually, it is beyond its powers to absorb, It would appear, Mr.

Speaker, that not too many of these young men, young women that are coming out of the university, the College of Trades and Technology, the vocational schools are really fully equipped to fit into available job openings, without more on-job training than the private sector employers can afford, Mr. Speaker, I personally think that it is about time to set up a fact-finding authority, a royal commission,if necessary/to evaluate the spending of our education dollar and the relevancy of our present educational institutions from kindergarten right up to the world that we live in today.

I believe, Mr, Speaker, that the reduction in the upgrading centre at Stephenville is probably a step in the right direction. Mr, Speaker, as research has shown, even secondary schools should not for maximWll results exceed populations of 700, Because of the specialized and intensive nature of the upgrading courses at this centre, Sir, it would seem much more instructionally sound to scatter them throughout smaller establishments throughout the province in areas that are closer to the tr~inees' homes, Perhaps greater use, Sir, could also be made of the existing institutions through the sharing of facilities ~0"/2

June 9, 197 2 Mr. Neary Tape no. 665 Page- 2 e n joye d by dav students , hy the i ntroduction of II modifie d shift sy11Ccm and a condu c ting of upg rnd inP, classes over the week end. Mr. Spea ker, talki nr. about une mployment, it Is obvf.o us now that the employment :;i tun ti on at Ch urchil l FnJ ls this summer wi 11 be very limited inde e d . 'Chose Lucky enou gh to get Jnhs wi ll probably be t r adesm e n or tec-hnj ci,'lns .

Unfo rtun;itely , Si.r, ther e is nothi.u g on the horjzon to t:ik.c the plnc e of the hi gh p:iid job oppo rtun i. l ies th-at Newfoun dla nder s had in the pas t fo ur ye ars on con$tructton of the s:ireat Churchil l Falls l'rojP.Ct . There iR no indication , Sir, by this new ~o vernment so far nny w;iv .{ f ways and me;ins a r e being sought to f ind a lternati ve e.mplo:vment and r:o fill the v11cu urn l eft as Ch ur chil 1 Pol ls nears complet ion. Mr.

Speake\'. , i t must 1i,, clea \'. hy nnw t.o thi s new ;idmini .str acion that they must proceed with a.I I. has t e with the de velopment o f the Lowe r Church Ill, ho th f rom the s tandpo i nt of provi din g low- cos t power for the devel opment o f industry in L,ibrador and on the island here and as a means of creatinr, work for om: people, Sir, who 11re now forced to accept welfare. No effor t should he spared t073

June 9, 1972. Tape 666 Page 1. either Sir, by this government to see to it that the uranium enrichment plant we heard so much about a year ago is located in Labrador. I do hope, Sir, that negotiations for these two important projects as well as negotiations for the third paper mill at Come bv Chance will be carried out in an atmosphere of goodwill and well-heing of the Province, not in the hostile attitude to settle an old score that we have seen in the case of the Linerhoard Mill at Stephenville. Mr.

Speaker, a few days ago in this honourable House I brought the honourable member for Placentia East, I think a former oresident of the Newfoundland Law Society,to his feet.He came to his feet, Sir, defending against remarks that I have made about excessive legal fees charged in this province for real estate transaction. Well, Sir, I am not going to try to counter what the honourable member said. That controversy raged four or five years ago,Sir. Mr.

Kostaszek, one man,royal commission of one, confirmed that I was right, verified what I had said, recommended that the lawyers clean their own house, which thev have not done to this moment, Sir. · I hope that one does not get the impression that this is open season on lawyers. I am not jealous or envious of the lawyers,Sir. They are the second highest paid in Canada, I think. The onlv lawyers in Canada who earn more are in Ontario, wealthy Ontario. Our lawyers here are even ahead of rich British Columbia, second highest. Sir, just as a matter of comparison.

Would Your Honour say that we have about fifteen or sixteen thousand fishermen in this province? Does Your Honour know that out of fifteen or sixteen thousand fishermen that only 981, I am talking about the year 1969, Sir, only 981 earned enough to pay income tax, compared to lawyers that same year 1 1969 1whose income was $27,000 each a year, the second highest in Canada, higher than even wealthy B.C. But, Sir, it is not my intention to get embroiled in another 8074

.June 9, 1972. Tare 666 contt'oversy with the l.awyers of the Newfoundland Society. I wou l d nrefer myself 1SJr, to take II positive att itude towat'ds thjs problem. In my opinJon, Sir. with our ,zovernment ' s ownership of the NN~fo11nd.l11nd and Labrador Comnuter Services there is no reason at all why the re~istrati.on of all real estate title chan11es should not be computerized Then Mr. Sr,eaker, when you or I or the honourable memher for St .

John'~ EaRt or the honourable member for White Bay South want to buv a house and make sure that the title was cleat', all we would need do,Sir, woulcl be to visit the r,round ' floor of J!llzaheth Towers, state the location of the nror>ertv, an immediate check of the m•mershtp could be. run and a cer.ttficate o f clear title sho11ld' he lad in return for a ,mall fee realistir.a.llv Ret to covet' the servt ce . Perhans twenty-five or thirtv dollars,S1.r. \~ell, this, Mr.

Spea ker , l ~•ould sav, when vou compare th is to the fiv e to ei ~ht oe r cent of the purchase pd.ce p.etting in to the thousands o f dollars, Sir, with whic h our Newfoundland loTJyers are hiRh•1acktnp, the puh]J .c everv day and rutnin P. their chances o f ever ow1dnR their own homes 1

June 9