Volume XL Monday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.]. McNicholas Number 45 30 May 1988

The House mel at 2:00 p.m . MR. SPFAI<ER (CrE!(,~Iling): Ol"d(;!r I plE!aSE~! Statements by Ministers t:!B..:_ T 0 B I!'l : Mr. SpE!aker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. thE! Minist:E!r of Soc:ial c 0 .:>erVJ.CE!S. MR. TOBIN : Mr. Speab:!r, i.t i.s cl gr·oat privilege for rnE! ·t.o rise in Uds Hoi . IS(:~ Loc:lay l:.o :i.nFor·1n hon. colleagues that this is National Access Awareness Week . To famil:i.c;J.I"'.i.Z(;! ITIYSE!lf lAlith i.t 1 1 had "i.nL~:~nciE:!d Lobe "i.n !.:he llou~;(! t:odayl in a IAJI'IE!E:!}Chair', as r'(;!qUE!StE!d by l.: h E~ p E:! o p 1 e I}.J h o a r· e i. n v o 1 tJ ('! d 1 n th:is.

Unfol~tunately, I had a commi.l:i11enl.: thi.s rnorntng dnd I}.JCl~> late getting biHk to the office fr·om my di.st:ricl·:, and had not: bE!C:Hl abl~~ to do so. But I l..r.Jould haVE! bE!E!I'l honou1~r:)d to bE! hE!r'e today -i.n a whE!E!lchair J.n obse!rvanCE! of this very valuable week. I think my colle!ague and friend for St. John's East (Mr. Long) is here today il'l cl lAJhE!elchair, so WE! do have someone here observing this lAJeek. Mr. Sp,:!akE!r', I IAJould 1ii<E:! Lo bl".inq to the attention of the House t.od<'.IY that this IAJE!ek, l: hE!

IAH'!Ed< of May 29th to June 4th, 1988 has been procla"i.med as AWclrE!I1E!S s Wer::d<. l '.o l~ t.hose oF yo1.1 !>.Jho 1nay not:. b1:~ awarE!, thE! idea of l::h]s par t:i.c ular· IAJI;:!(;!k IAJi.'IS concl::!:-l.vecl by R.i.ck lldnsun during Lhe last part of his Man in Mol·: . .l.on Tou1···. In cle~>CI"-l.bi . nq t·.hi.~; :i cJ Eo! a of !> u c h a IAIE! Ed< I M I" . Hans E! n l..2 411 May 301 19BB Vol. XL noted that he had a dream; a dream 0 f d 'i. S ITICl n t l. :in~ b cl r• Y' L (;!I" S t.: hat IAJO U 1 d exclude clisablE!d peopJ E:! fr.orn COITIIIIIJI'l i. l··.y pal··t: ·i. c .i.pa U.on. Na LoionclJ.

Access AIAlareness is about this; - Ld~Hltlr:y i.11g and Y'(,Hnoving any such bal"roir:1rs. This Province has hr.:~d a Jonq history of providing services which would allow a1J people to part.icipal:e ful.ly IAJ:il'.h society. Such examples could include my deparl::ment's rehabilitation programme as well as our policy on d e- :i n s t: i 1:. u i: :i. o n a l :i. z at. i o 11 . I 11 v :.i.

E!I~J of this, i.t is not surprising that l::his Pr·ovi.nce has not onJ.y endoi~SE!d thE! conCE!pt of Acc~:! s ~; A IAJ f.ll~ e 11 ~~ s s W (:' ~1 I< b 11 t: h i'l s a J. s o b o c;! 11 very active in arranging evenls to takE! pJ<.~ce Lo h:i.ghJ.:ighi: .i.11d-Lv'idual a b :L 1 i U . E! s . I t a 1 s o hi g h 1 :i g h t s U1 E! n E~ I':! d F o ,.. ;~ c c o s !> :i. b t 1 "i. L y . Uncle r· t h u c:'l u ~; p i. c E~ s of 1··. h ,,~ C: on s urn I''! r· Organization of Disabl e d Persons r:·l n d L h E! s (~ c I"(:! 'l:. a r y 0 r s t·. a l: l0!

I a provincial. coordinating cornrni · Lt:E!~;! h a s b e e n F o r 1 n Eo! d I}J h i c h h a s b E' I':! n very active over the JasL feiAJ 1r10 11 l h s i.11 o Y' g an :i z :i. n q l:. h :L s P r o vi n c E! ' s c o n t r i b u t :i. o n to Ud s tAJe(,~k. This cormnitl:eE! LAJas a joint effort involving some fifteen different agenc:i.es anrl government departmE!nts I incJ.uding , 1 rni.~.Jht. add, thE! DE!partrnent of ~3oc .i.al SE!rViCE!S. Th:.i.s rna :i. n i'lJ'ld haVE!

IAJee k . week is Lo high l ight Five arE!aS affE•Ct-.ing thE:• d:i.S clb}E!d fiV(:1 di.f(-- e l~enl sub --colnrnj.t.t~;!,, !S planned events For this T h E:• !> E! a r· ('! a s a r· e : (

a) Hous :in~J (

b) Re c r·~~at. ion (

c) Educat:i.on (

d) Tr' rHlSPOI"t.al ·.io l1 (E:~) ErnployrnE:!nt YE!Ster•day, thE'! DE!pU l:y M:i.nis l::e1n of No. I.J.5 I~ 2l~ J. 1.

Social Services rE!preSE!nted 'the Province at the opening ceremony and official signing of the proclarnat:Un1 by H-L~; Honour Th~~ LiE!UtE!nant GoVE!rnor, Mr·. James M c G r a t. h . I n ad d J. t :1. o n L o s 'i. g n ·i. n g l:.h:i.s pr·oclamation, H.is Honouln ThE! L:i.eul.:l::Jnant GoVE!l"nor' <:'tlso l:.ook l:he opportunity to off:i.c:iaJ.ly unvEd.l a n t:' lAJ r· a rn p c o n s L r u c L e d ;:~ l: Go v C:! r n m ('! n t House. M1M.

SpeakE!t", this :is indE!ed a stgntfi.canL evenl, because now, fot" thr:1 fir·st timco1 eVE!r, the House, which belongs to ctll t"t:1sidE!I'J'ls of Hl:is Province, is notJ.J accessible to all residents of this Province. This examplE!, I might add, :i.s, I am surE!, tJJhal: Mr·. 1-lanSE!n had in mind whE!tl hE! conceived the idea of Access AwarE!ness WE!E!k. I believe such a week of awareness :is indeed need1:!d and I tJ.JouJ.d 1.ikE! for thE! HouSE! to acknowledge its significance and endorse ils principles.

In conclusion, it is rny personal hope that awareness achieved durii1g this VE!ry special t;.JE:H1k is ret.a:lnii:H~ :.i.n Uw m·.:i.nds of everyone For years to come and t h a t a .ll b a r· r i. E:H' s L o p e r s o n s I Ali. l: h disabilities quickly disappear in our society. I Lhank you very much. SOME I·ION. MEMBERS: 1·1 E~ a r· , he i:'l r' ! Ml~. EFr'ORD: MR . SPEAKER: ThE'! hon. thE! rnE!ITibE:!t" fol" Pol" 1~ de'! Gr·avr:1. MR. EFFORD : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr'. thE! Sp<~akc,'r, tAJe, on th:i.s s:i.de HouSE!, as c~J:I. hon. member's of of L2412 May 30, 1988 Vol XL thE!

HouSE! of AssembJ.y, I am surE!, cr:1rt:.a:inly suppo1n·t: the;! Minister of Socia J. S E! r vi c E! s in N aU. on a 1 A c e E!·S s AtAJar·eness WE:1ek. TI·H=!r'e Js no doubt-. that many rrwrnber·s on Ud.s sj_de of' LhE:! l·lous(~, as tAJC'!].l c:,,~;; othE!r' members, and yourself, Mr. Speaker, are well aware of :.i.L, because we have family members who ;:·11"('! pl.dc(;!d .in l:.h:is unfortunai:.E! position. ThE!rE!

J.s nothing IJ.JE! can do to mal«~ up for· U·H,1 unfor·tunal:E! s i t u-a t i o n t h E! s E! p e o p 1 E! a r' E! p 1 a c E! d 'i.n E!XCC:!p-1:., as the M"i.ni.sl..E!r' of Soc:ial Servi.ces just sa:id, to sup p or· t: t h c;! m and L o 1rk\ k Co1 C:·\ 11 a I" C'! as accessible transportation, Co11np1oy1nc;!nl:, eclucf.\l:lon, l"E'!CrE!ation and housing - in the best possible tAJay. As you lAJjJ.1 l"l,!lfi<O!ITtbl':!l", ovr:!r' t:.ho last couple of IJ.JE!eks we, on th::i.s sidE! of t:hc,1 HousE:!, ask!O!d LhE! Min::i.ster of Culture, Recreation and YouLh (Mr. Butt) about the accessibility of parks.

He came bc1ck tn support. of that·. : and shot~Jed that his dE!partrnE!nt is making Uw parks and recr·eation faci.l:i ·U.,:;!s accessible to al1 handicapped pEwplr:'. ~'II e a s k Co' d E! a c h 1rt i n i s t e r· o n t: h E! other side ITliHJY timE!S t:o, in his own portfolio, cre~Le employment :in thE! civi] SE!rv:ice of this gove1nnrnon'l:. 'l'ot" thE! sante r·c,'ij\Sons, b E:1 C a U S E! IAH~ j U S t C a 1'1 11 0 t d 0 E! 11 0 U ~~ h , CC'!i"ta·i . n-1 y, Ml". ~'1pec:·\kf:!t", IAJE! ~;uppol"l: the Minister of Social Services.

Anything we on this side c~n do lo co-operate :in m0king more 1r::!qi. ~;li'1i:.i.on Ol" tnOI"E'! r·ul(:!s t.o h1::!lp thE! handicapped and thE! disc"lb1ed, tAJO 1J.r.i.l ·l co I" l~ cl in 1 y do . Thank you , Min. SpE!akE!r·. SOME HON . MEMBERS : flear, hE!aln! MR. LONG : Mr. Speaker. No. 45 R2412

MR. SPEAKER: Th(:~ han. t:h~) mc,~ITI~H;!in for St. John 1 s Fast. MR. LONG: ------Thank you, Mr. Speaker . The rn :i. c r' o phon C:~ do us no 1:. mo v r::! , b u 1:. I lAd1l sl:ay in rny chair. I lAJcHlt to say thank you to all hon. mernbE!rS, on both sides of t.hE!

House, for allot.~.Jing rne leave to be abJ.e to fuJ.fiJ.l rny cornrnH:ITIE!nt to the Board of Directors and staff at t he H U B , p E! r hap s o n e of UlE! rnost important. :insU . tut.ions for thE! physicalJ.y handicappE!d in thE! city, that·: I · J)Jould today go to lAJork and carry out my r'E!Sponsib:ll'l.t.:.l.es all day l.ong in Cl. wheelchair so that I might be able to, -.in a v lc!r' y 1 i t:C'!r'a 1 1.1Jc\Y, c OITH':! t:.o c.-1 bE!t.tE!r unciE!Instanding of LhE! point of view of handicapped pr:wpJ E~.

I Ci:'\11 Sr:\y I ri"OITI hav i.ng bc,~E!I'l :in l:.h~" c hcd I", bet ng picked up r:d: hornE:~ lh Ls mor'n i.ng and bo.lng cir' i.ven to lAJO ,~I< i rt o n E! of t he b u s e s i n t he cil:y thai: 'is avai.lr.~bJ.e r·or handicappE!d peopl(:! .... I also had a meel:.ing r.~l: C:i.l.:y Hall al: lunch l:"LtnC:~ with residents frorn the Battery which I had to Cl.ti::(:111d thr:d·.

I have aJ ready lE!arnE!d many, many l: h i n g s a b o u L L h H s p e c i a 1 p o :i. n l: o f view that disabled people have; elevators, doors and drinking fountains are among sorne of the very J"eal concrr::!l:r:! problems tho~-;e people face every day. I want to thank l:hE! M:inistE!r of ~?octal SE!r'vicf!S for' thE! sLal:E:!rnonL a n d f o r' t h E! i n :i U. a U . v E! b y l: h E! gOV(o!Y'I11TlE!nt: :in acknOIAilE:!dq:i.nq the NationaJ. AcCE!SS AtAJarE!ness Week. I 1 n :l g l·1 L ~; a y t h <'! rn ·.'i. n i s t·. C.:! r' 1 n -.i g h l.·. h a u e mont.-.ionr:!d thctt t:.hE) l:hE!rTIE! for' thE!

IAJPE!k --i.S Living) 1 • go v E'! r' rnnu n L 1 lndepondencu, Tha t Ts I t.hi.nk c;!v<,'r'ythingJ this is clo ·i. ng, and L2 4·13 May 30, 1988 Vol XL everything both parties on this !ddo are caJ.1 ·'i.ng on l::he gov<H'nment. to do more of, is working toward 'L ho gor:~ l of allot.~.r:l. ng <Li. ~:; ab l E!d people l.:o achieve independence. I might also take the time to IIH:!nLt on l:hi:~ t·. Lhl:! mE!IIlber' r~or' StE!!JhE!nv:il1E! (Mr. K. A_yhJ<.H'd), fr'OITI thE! l...:i.bet"i'\1 Opposi.l::.ion :is ·.in his riding today, I understand, clnd is also :in a wheE:!lcha:ir, doing various activities in his riding.

OUlE!r than that, Mr. SpeakE!Y', 1 think we will conLinue to bring forlAJard in thts HousE! thE! conCE!Y'n~~ of disabJ.ed peopJ.c~, and rc.dSE! qUE!SU .ons par'ticularJ.y w:i.l.·.h r'E1SpE!Ct. l:o LhC'! di.fficult.:i.~~s of transportation, access Lo bulld:lngs, and employment programmes. Thank you, Mr' . ~)pE'!d !<(;!I". rJtR. RIDEOUT: r•k . ~3 p ('! a kE:! r . MR. SPEAKER: ThE! han. the Minj stE!r of FishE!riE!S . MR. RIDEOUT: Thank YOI..I. Mr.

SpeakE:1r, t:he incr'eas:i.ng dE:Hnand for fE!rrtale caplj.n tn t.he lucr'at.:i.ve Japanese market has led to the development of a very successfu1 cotnlTIE!r:lcal capl.i.n fishE!ry in th:i.s ProvinCE!. The valUE! of out~ caploin fishery in 1988 wi l l likely appro a c h $ 7 0 rrd 1 J. j, o n . 0 v E! r' l: 11 E! p a s t l:. r:! n y E:! a r' s t h :i. s f J. s h (' I" y has bE! corn e i:HI i ncr' E! as j, n g 1 y :i.m p or' t. an l: factor in the overall viability of rna n y o f o u r' f J. s hE! r· rn C:Hl an cl processors.

This government has long recognized the growing irnpor'L.i:·lnco lll l:.his t ndu ~ =;l· .. t"Y r:'lnd its value t.o our people. The VE!Y'Y .i. l'lclll S l: I" y No. 4.5 natur'E! i.s tht·1L of .i l.: an_y Fishin~J genE:!I"i:-1] ly hi:'ts R241. 3

a cyclical character dominated by fluctuations in landings, but our caplin fishery seems l":o hdVE! generated an unusually high degree of uncertainly and instability. The 1987 caplin Fishery was characterized by some difficult market conditions, uncertain production and rel~tiuely low E1conornic rc:1t.urns to both f':lsh(O!rrnen and pro c E:! s s ors . Tlri. s Fo lloiAH:'d on the heels of our most successful yoar E:Wf:!r, i.n l98G.

R E! c o g n ·i z :i. n g t h (~ i. 1 n p o r t a n c o o f t h i. s indust1ny t.o our fisherrnon and pr'ocessors, lh.i.s governmfHJt m<.-~<:le a vr:.1ry Sf~l"ious commitmE111t to "i.ncr'c:1ase thf~ st".ab ·i.l-i.l:y of lhis fisl'll':1lny. A number of inil::iatiVE!S havc,1 bE:HHI cr.lY'riod ou L by my dE!par'trnc->.nt in an (01ffo1nt to E1ffect a ITIOI"e Ol"9c1n'ized coJniTI<:'r-i.cal capJ.J.n fishery.

I personally led a govornm1::1nt and 'inclustr'y de!J.C;!gatJ .on to Japan last year to view first·-hand market concHtions 'in that country; my deputy minister submitted a vr:.1ry comprehE!nsoive report on stability in thE! caplin fishery and numerous discussions have bE!E!n hE1ld bEd:lAieE!n govE1rnrnent: and industry officials lo analyze lAihat measures may bE! takE!n l:o stablize this very important fishE1ry. Thesf~ colnbinE!d f'! Ffor'ts have r·esulted in crE1attng a higher degree of confidence in the lfiCllnket:pJ.acc'! fo1" NE:!IAifound1and capJ.in.

In 198B the mArket requirernonts 'in Japan and Taiwan IMJ.J.l be 3'~, 500 tonn(~S i:\S compan:!d to appl"ox:i .mal::ely 15,000 l·:onnE:!S :in 1.9H7 c!lnd, foi" Lh<:1 f -i.rsL l::i.n1o, LhEH'E:! is a cornrn:i t:men l: on I:. he part oF J <'l p ''' n u s <,1 b u y e r· ~> F o I" a 1 11-.i. n "i. 1 n u 1 n of 2f.),000 tonnE!S in 1989. l bel:i.E!Ve conf.i.dr:!n l: rishEH'Y IAJ(! that·. w:ilJ can OUI" bE• L2414 May 30, 1988 FE!E>l VfH'Y J.91JH c.;lplin E!XtrE!TTIE!] y UoJ. XL successful. Mr·.

Speak<·n-·, a qrE1a l'. dE:al of progress has been made since I addressod this House in March with a number of rE1cornmendat:i.ons designed to improve l::he overall. performance of the caplin fishery. In a further effort to improve the performctnco oF l:h"i.s industry, my department has adopted a number of new enforcement and monitoring procedures for this coming season.

As minlster responsible r01n thE! li.CE!I'lC'ing Of f·jsh p I" o c e s !; i. n g p ·1. <:1 n l . s i. n l h :i s Province, I have sought and ln(,1C(,1 i.vf:!d apprOVi:-\1 Lo aiTiend LhE• Fish inspection regulations which outJ. -i.no the opc"!Y'i:J.I.:i.nq r·c;!qUilnHm''!nt:s For establishments processing caplin into Frozen products. r hE! S f:! Y' (:1 qUi. I~ E:! rn en l:. S IAI·i 1. J. E:! S L i'1 b J.·j, S h s tandar'ds for packaging, frE!E!Z'.i.n~~, and labelling oF female capJ.:i.n.

All female caplin packaged shall now be required to contain not less than 95 percent female and t·.he cont.E1nts oF Lhe cont.t.~iner ~ha11 not exceed tho weight :i.nd :icatE!d on l:he container by more than 10 per'CE!nt. In otherwords, the over-pack cannot be greater than 10 percen·l:. Add i.l-i. 0 1'1 C\ l.l. y , rn y cl (;! p <'\I" l I'll E! i'l t.: IAJi 'JJ. monitor, on a daily basis, individual plant production l::o ensure that ovorall production does not. exceed Lho esl:ablished ITICll"kE•t quota in our rno:.;l·: in1po1nl::anL lrli'1inko Ls i.n Jc1pan .

T h (:! ~; o rn o i:\ s u i" C! ~' IAJ o I" (;! i:. a k e n a F l:. ~1 r' fuJ.l consuJ.taLion lAr.ith l:.hr::! i. n cl us l: i" y d n d IAJ'.'i. L h l.. he Fe ell'! I" a 1 DE=!parLITIE!n'l: of Fi shE•r:i. E!S and Och.'Hls L~l h .:i. c h IAJ .L 11 b ('! r' l'! s p () n s ·.:i. b 1 (! r 0 r· enforcement of thoso roguJ.al:ions. ThE! s e r o g u J a t·: :i. on s w·.i 11 be s t r' J. c t . .1. y No. t~S R2414

enforced during the 1988 caplin season and I urge Rll. proCG!SSors to ensure t:h!!:~Y comply IAiith thesE! now regulations. All. processors pr·ior to thE! commenCE!TnE!nt oF t~Ho! caplin fishery, will. receive mn it1fotnrnation package,~ fully outlining the amended regulal ~ ons and monitoring procedures. Mr . Sp~~akE! r, t:hE!SB r:lmE~ndmEHJts t:o our existing rE!gulations arE! ind:icat.iv(,~ of our· f-.ir·m cornm:itrnenl to E!nsure a successful caplin fishr:H'Y for 1988 and beyond.

This gOVE!r'I'HnE!rlt rE!COgnizes thE! rJE!E!d to r(~gulate ti'H~ :indus try in thr:~ areas of quality control, packaging and OVE!r·-pack rt=!gulations. Thco!SE! ar·~;:~ vital aspto!Cts of the industry which must be closely monitored. WE! haVE! an eXCE!lJ.E!nt working relationship with the Federal government in this area and I feel E! x t. r· E:~ mE'! l. y c o n f 'i d t'! n t t h <.~ 1:. "i. n d u s L I" y tAtill offer Lheir full co--operation on thls matter .

Furthermore, Newfoundland processors have made s omE:~ roe~J. efforts to exp;:'lncl l.:hE:! .. i.r range of caplin products and rrtc\ r· k e 1: ~; i. n J r:'l p <:\ n ,~ n cl o thor c\ r c~ a~; 1.uhich augE!r's tAteJ.l for thE:~ futurE! ul:.il.izr •\tion of th:ls r~::~sourcc . Si.nce the capl:in fishery is schedulE!d to open on JunE! 1st., 1.11e ctl"E~ al.l r.'lnt:.ic:ipal:.:i.ng l.:hal l:.hE! processor/union collective bargaini.ng process wtll finalize caplin pr:lces for fishermen very soon. Perhaps as earJ.y as today. In conclusion, Mr .

Speaker, all indications point to a very successful caplin fishery for 1988. ThE! capJ.in rnanagE!Tnent plan announced by the federaJ. governrnE!nt on fishing ind:i . cat.ed thE:! hi.ghC'!S 1.: rna1"ke t TAC, or l.: o'i:.al alloiAJabl('! catch, :i.n our history, conF:it"ln:ing out" best yt::!i:'ll" E:!VC'!r' oi.n thE! comrrtE!r'coi.al caploi.n :indus~tr·y :.Ln Newfoundland. I Fully tntend to L2415 Mr.'ly 30, 1988 Vol XL ensure that rny departTTJE!nt 1.uiJl do ~~voryth : i.ng -Ln its poiAlE!r' Lo broi.ng about a very successful caplin Fi.shet"Y fo;n l9B8 and For· rnc1ny years to corrtE! . SOME HON.

MEMBERS: HE:!ar. hE:!r:'ti"! MR. W. CAfHER : Mr. Spe!al<er. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the for· TlAii 11 in gatE! . MR . W. CARTER : Thank you, Mr. Speaker . ThE! rninistE!r, in h:i.s stah!ITIE!I 'lt. , tnc,~ntionE!d thc-tt: 1-:hE! caplin f·.ishE!r'y this year · wt:l.l rept " E• s E! nt approx·.itllc\tely ~1>'70 rni.J.lton ·J.nl :. o t: he E!Conorny, Mt". SpeakE!!". That i s a r·athco!l" alnclZ "i.ng fr:,\ct, becausE'!

I.AJho tAtould have thought f-.iVE! yeal"S ago thdt the capl. i. n ·f 'i shf~t"y, IAth:i.ch up to that t:i.ITIE! lAtas pr'E!tty 1Ale11 of prac l.::i.cc1J.l.y no colrtiTJ(H'c:i.al valUE!, or very little anyway caplin IAJE! r· o usc~ d rrtH -i. n l. y For· f C'! r· 1-.· . .i J ·i. z E! t" and that sort of 1-:hing by N('!l.Uf o 11 nd l. a ncl e I" s IAJO 1.11 d (: od a y bt'! a very important SE!grnent of outn fishing i.ndustry? The regul~l.ions announced by Lhe minjster today are v e ry necessary.

We realize that qualtty, for examplE!, and packr:1g·.:i.ng and l:.hf:! ov(::!J"·-·Pr:ilck, itself, are very important consideration s which must be addrE!SS~'!d. I atn g1ad 1-:o knoL\J thE• rn:.L n is l:-. e I" c\ n d h :is oFF :.i. c :i a 1 s h r:'t ~J t:! now addressed those probJerns, because in the past couple of yE~ars, CE!r'ta:i.n1y, l th:i.nk, :.i.n 1. 9 a '7 • .I h f~ a r· d a n tllrt be r· of s 1:. or· j e s corn:lng out of my d is trict which IAJO U J. d ·j_ n cl :i. C i:\ 1.. (! 1-.: h d 1.: bUy(;!

I"~; , If!.~~ y b ~'! , IAJE!r'e g:iVE!Il a l :oi.l:l".:le b·tt. l:-.oo rnuch l.e(~IAJr'\Y :i. n l::hu l"eqiJ " ii"(~ ITienl .. s Lhey No. 45

were demanding of our local fis~1er·rnen; I know of cases wherE! longlinE!r loads of capl'.in had to bt:~ dumpE!d · bE!CalASE! SOmE! bUyE!r WOUld not accept l: he qual:i.ty of t:hr:~ caplin and, in many cases, the decis:i.on on the part of the buyers in that rE!gal~d werE• qUE! St. ionabl.e. So I t.hi .nk the regulations are important. Mr. Speaker, the minister hE!r'E! talks mainly about the Japanese market and the small market, I b(,~J.ieiJe -Ln f-Lat~Ji.·\n, fo1~ Ci:lpl-Ln .

I do not knot4J lAJhat rnar'kii:~ts exist tn l.: he lAJO r' l. d For· cap 1 :i. n • b 11 l cer ta inly I Lhink the department should explore other markets and should expand where possible, b(~cau~;e ·1t: 1.~; not. c:\ h(~ctlthy situc:lt:ion l:o bE! totally dE!pE!ndE!nt on on('! or oven l:tAJO rn<.<tr'kE!tS. ~5o T IAJO u 1 d s t: ~~on g J. y s u g SJ (,~ s l: l:. hat rna y bE! we explore new markets now for th:is VE!ry vaJ.uablE! industry. Mr. SpeakE!r, IA.Jhen we ta1k about the processing of caplin we are talking about the processing of femalE! capJ.in, whtch leads to another ques~ton.

What, if anything. can be dOnE! to bE!tt:er develop a male caplin industry? I was interested in an

article in The Evening Telegram on the weekend which talks about FAOA, the Fish Aid Development Agency . It has a mar· b' t: F o I" , I b (~ l:i E! v (~ , twenty tonnes of dried male caplin . I br:!l:it~IH' arE!aS IAJh:ich I l<nolAJ VE!Y'Y !.tJE~ll., RrFtnch c·\ncl St . Bl""i.de's, "in P 1 a c C'' n t :i. a B a y , t h e p e o p 1 E! u p t h c,~ r· e havo bE:!HI'l g"i.Vt:!l'l i.'tn uncler'Li'lkoing l:hi:ll :if cc,'l"ta:in f'unds can bt'! madE! c.'lVi'l-i.1dbJ.C:!, l:.he y Cdn FJI"OIJ i.cle rna I" k (~ L s r o I" a '1:. J.

E! as t . as r.~ ~; t a I" t , 20 lnE:! t·.1" i c Lonn(!~; oF cil"-i.ecl cc:'t pl.in. 1-1<~\v :i.r ,g l"('!acl l::hE:! al"l:·.'iclE:• :it:selF, I Lh:ink il:. -L:; pl~c:!Ll:y ob1J-Lous t.h<•lL with a little bit of Foresight and pl. ann ::i.n g , l:. h or· e .i ~; a rn<!l ,~ k e l·:. F o I" L24·16 May 30, 1988 Vo1 XL. male capl:in. Mr . SpeakE!r', I IAJOuld again strongJ.y urge thE! rninistE!r to may be increasE! his Elf Fort. s. t:.o E!nsure that E•VE!rything possib1e is done to prov·idc,~ rnarkets For malE! cap J. in, as WE! 1 J. . I have heard other stories in r·E~C(!I'lt·. days, Mr·. ~3pE~akl'!l", to tht:!

E!ffE•ct l:hat lAJhilE! lAW arE! ~~o:ing to h;:~V('! a good caplin F:ishE!I"Y - that is obvious, and lAJe ar'E! very hr.lPPY and very pleased thaL that :is so - maybe the prospects of a good capl.in Fishery are have a dE:!t:rirnE!ntal ElffE!Ct on thE! chances of l'l('!got.if.l·i:Jng a docc!nl pr·ic(:! For' groundf:ish th is year.

I have been t·ol.cl, and rn<·lyl:>(;~ thi.s .is only rumour, that a lot of the processing plants :in ant'.icipation of a good cClpJ:in f:ishory .:'lnd SJOOcl pr'-i.CC:!S, i'\I"E! nO!AJ SOI"l o( clr'agg:inCJ Uw'ir hE!E!ls, as :it IAJE!Y'E!, or not. shoL•JJng L:he k"i.ncl oF :in+:E:!r'usl': . l.:hey should be showing in the groundfish process:ing sector . That wouJ.d bE! unfortunatE!, bE!Ci.'WSE! a lot of Newfoundlanders depend, of coursE!, on thE! g1"oundfis h fishery. MR. SPEAKER: Order, pJ.ease! The han. member's time is up . MR. W.

CARTER : M<:~y I conclud('!, Mr· . ~:)pHab:!r, by saying not E!Very NelArFoundlc•~nd('!l" h<'ls thE:! l.i.cence or· Lh(;! capabi.l:i. l:y to :involve hJrnsE!1f :in thE! ca p1 :.in r:· i s h (!I" y . IA]C! IAJ('! 1 c 0111(! l:. h ''! announcE!IfiE!n't:, Ml". comrnend tho 1n-i n:i.s l:C!I" SOME l-ION. MEMB E I~S : 1-iE~al" , hE!al"! MR. FENWICK : r"' r· . ~3 p e a k E:! r· . Mr,. ~>PEAI<ER; .. ---···--·-·--··---·····--- No. 45 Speake!", for· .i.l.:. f.! ncl R2416

The han. the member for Menihek . MR. FENWICI<: M1" . S pea I< E!-1" , WE! a r· E! p 1 e as(:~ d to s E! E! l.:h(~ pr·o s pE! C L~; of <:'In C:~xc e l -I.E! nl caplirt f :i s hE!l''Y Uds YE!CJ.I". WE! dppi"E!Ci.C.·\L (~ Lhc:! Fdct i.:hi:\L l..hu rn:-il· tist·.el"' ~ ; ciE:!pdl"tiTIE~nt has clonE:! a COI'l~;i.cl(,~r·i:·\bJ.e dlflOI.Inl·. O(~ IAIOt"k l:.O :idE~nt:ify the problc-:~ms t.Hld noiAJ, hopef~ulJ.y, 1.1.H:! 1Ali11 hr:~vo "'s rnoot.:h fishei"Y and, a ·t the (:~nd of it., IAJi J.l (;!1'1 d U p IArJ t h i';\ f E!IJJ d 0 l.J. iH' S :i. n the poci<E:~ts of our fisi'1E!r1Tlc:!n. Mr.

Sp(,~ab: !r, I tAJould :1-i.kr:! Lo confine my commen t s to thE! pat"t of the caplin thai: is not used, the;! male cap lin, and, quitE! fr·ankJ.y, other than the roe, 'l.h(:~ fetnale caplin is not as heaviJ.y USE!d as well, and :it SEH~m s t:o me thai: : W(:1 have an opportunity in this Pt"ovincE'! l:o br·E~ak out oF l:he s t:E!reotyp(~ and the small thinldng that tAlE! t('!ncl('!d Lo conf:inE! ourselves to in the past.

I r·ernE!mbet" S(:1Vera1 YE!ar·s ago, whr:~n t:h\':1 gOVE!I"nrrlC:~nl: of l.:h1'::1 cidlj l"e s pond E!d ·to rE! quE! s l: s that WE! madE! i'\bottt contt"'ibu L. :i. ng tnoney to h(;!}p Ethiopi<H1 faminE! rE<lief, and I t: h t n k f o r t h e v o r· y f i I" ~' 1.: L: ::i. rn (;! :i. n Jiving memory we actuaJ.ly contribul ·:ed ·funds l.:o Oxfdln .. i.n ordc-:H' Lo help IArit h thE! faminE! r elief in Elhiopia. Mr. ~)peakl:: !t", :r: am not s<:-ly"i. n'd l:hc:·\'1.: we have a particular famine to c:lddr'E:!SS '.in Afr·:ica or· eJ.s~ ~ tAJher·~:!

"i. n thE! worJ.d today, but: surE!ly thr·oiAri.ng atJJay t:hou s cHlds of t:onnE!S of malE! capJ.:.Ln bE!CaLtS(! IAJE! hav(• not bE!E!n ablE! t:o di'::1VE!lOp a lfliH'kE!t ·For• it is not a particularJ.y moral thing for anybody in thi s tAJorld to do. M a y b <:! tAl h a 1·: t)J E:! s h o u 1 cl cl o , tAl "i. l:: h or'~Jan:i. zatJ.ons l:ii<E '! FADA, l::hE! Fisl:1 Aid DE•VE:!J.Opln~:!nl :.

Assoc:i< :lt:.·.ion, I. 24-17 May 30, 1.988 Vol XL tJJh:ich, I unciE~ rstand, :i.s having some financial troubJ.es now and m<.·\ y act u a J.ly go o 11 t oF ox :is bH1 u:• , is take a much more active role thE!r'o L:o pi~OtJ'i.do t:-~ ITletl"k<:!l: For· our fishermen, but realJ.y more :i.inpotntnntly, l.o ~; i'ly L·. o l::ho I" E'!S l:. oF t. h E!

IAJ 0 I" 1 d [:: h a '1:: e U E! n t h 0 U ~J h lA IE:! cJ 0 not. hi'\ ~J (;• "' 1 o l.: or lrli'\ 1:. n 1" :i. a 1. q o o cl ~; in this Province and we do not hav o <.·\ ti~Otrl (:11'lclousl.y h:l.gh sl.:andc.~t" d of Jiving by cornparision t.o ol:.hE!r' placE :!S, (JJC:! do have:! d h~:!i'll"t and tAJI:! haVE! an obligation to othE!I" pat"l·:s of· tho 1.1.Jorl.d l.:h,•\t. aJ"e rnuch t.AJor·s e ofF th c.tn us. So, I tAJould strongly urge our provincial Department of F:i.shE!r·:iE~s, '1-:.hc:!

Pr'('!rniE!r' s offJce and everyone concerned, t:o help or·gan'.i.zat:i.on s l'.i.ke FADA tAJh:-i.ch ha~JC:' triE!d to put tn plau:! c~ ~; ystE!rn of cleJ.:i.ver·:ing t·.h:is unusocl PI"Ol:.E'!.:i.n to pJ.aCE!S in thE! IAJ01"1d IAJhE•inE:! i t. :t. S 1'101'::1ciE~ci . T. think "il-: Sc:'l\jS SOII'IE:!l:hinq about us as a peoplE! if IAH'' can do i.L, and T s tr·ongl.y Ul" qe both l::he Department of Fisheries, ancl the g o v o r· n rn C:! n l et ~' r.1 tAl h o l. o , L o t r· y ci.ln d do E!Veryt:h:ing thE!Y can i·.:o rnovE• thal : r~ .. i.sh otl t.

Lo whei"(~ i t:. beJ.onq s , to people who are starving in thi s IAJOI"l.ci. ThiHlk you, VC!I"Y much, Mr. Speaker. Oral Questions Mr\. WELLS : Mr . Spt: ~dkE!r' . Ml~ . SPeAKER: The hon. l'.hE! LE!c~ciE!r' of I.. h E:! Oppos :i.l:.j .on . Ml\. WELLS: lhank you, Mr. Speaker . Mr·. l:he L he:! ;:)poaker·, ITIY que~; l.: :i.on is For hon. l:hE! f>I"E!rfl:'.i.(!t~ . NOIAJ I: hat Pi"Hrn:ier· hd s i'tclv:i ~:;ecl l:'.hH Hou S('! No. 4-5 R2417

that he has not given any specific approvals for the contracts and l':he:1 r·<~nc-:lwal.s of the contr·ac t.s For Lhe pr'E!IIliSE!S rE!ntE!d to l':hE! goVE!r·nment and govc:!rnrnE!nl: d9E!nc:it:1S by TEH~ra Nova EntE!rpd .SE!S LimitE!d, and recoqniz:inq the fact that governrnE!nt j s paying lo that company in total sornelhing exce~:1ding $380,000 pE!r year, and that the Deputy Pr·emiE!r has a 25 per cent interest in that company, IAri 11 he:1 now rE! coq nizr<:1 Uli:l t:. a serious conflict exists and I"E!qU.:i.l"e the;!

D(:'puty Pr·eiTiiE'!Y' to either dispose of his interests in l':hclt: cornpany, so as to r·c~moV(:! l·.: hc\l conflict, or l:o r'E!Sign as a tn .i n i s 1:. o r ? MR. SPEAI<EI~: 1·h E! hon . l: he:1 P r·em :i E! r· . PREMIER PECI<FORD: M r . ~) p E'!"' k t:! r· , I cl t:! i'\ l. l:. IAJ-.1. 1.: h l.: h <:\ 1·. rna t. t E~ l" 1 as t IAJE! E! k he I" E! in 1: he House, thai: l':he Doputy Pr·e'!Jfl"i.<H' di_d a 11 the Hd. n g s that h e:1 had to do under tho Conflict of Interest J.egislation and guidelines as they E!Xist, back t:o 19'79.

The~ Dr<:1puty PrE!ITiiE!r i s now just chE!Cking out 1..vhy his narnE:1 appearE!d again evr<:Hl years after hE! had the shares put in trust. So thE:1 Deputy Prern:i.r<:1r having had nothing to do l..vhatsor:•VE!r' IA.rilh thE! company frotn 1979 to ti'd.s VE!ry minute, to this VE!ry hour, lhc-:!rE~ is no confl.icL of :inter·es 1:.. ThE! Deputy PrE!rTliE!r has car·r·:i.c:!d out: all. of !'.:he n<:!CE!!>sar·y l"'ecp~Jl"E:'ITlents l:hc:~t E!X:istc,1d undE!r thP Confl 'ir:l - ol7 Inl:.C:!I"C~sl:. lc~~J:i.sJ.al:: :l . on and undE'!r LhE! I" e q u 1 i'1. l:. .i o n s . MR . WFI L ~) : A !> 1.1 p p ]. C!

ITI e:! n t. i~\ I" y , M l" . ~:; p (! C:·\ k C 1" • r"ll ~. ~3PFAKEI~: A ~>up p1ern onLal" Y, the,' l·1on. l .. ei:'~ciOI" or" l:.hu OpposJ .tio n. L24·1 8 r"'a y 3 o , 1 9 H 8 Vol. XI .. MR. WELLS : Do we conclude then, Mr•.

SpE!ai<E!r, fr·om 1: hE:1 ho n. l.: ht::1 P r· emi. e r -' s rE!rnarks, that he approVE!S oF UtE! s:l.tuat.ion wh(;!I"E:' a rn'inist1:1r· Ci:.tn continue to hoJ.d an j.nterE!St in a co1npany do·ing business IAJil:.h thE! goVE!l~nment so J.ong as ho tr·c~nsf' E!l"S the tttle Lo Lho shares to somebody' s namE! in t:l~ust, and t.I·H'l 1: l:hi'lt company Ci:Hl continUE! to do significant leveJ.s of business !AJ:lth· thE:~ govE!rn1nent.:, thaL !::haL 'is what the Premier approves of? MR. SPEAKER : Tho hon . the PrE:11rd"=1r.

PREMIER PFCKFORD : I approve of the truth and the F F.\ c L :> i:'\ s 'L. h E• y c o lfl o Clll t . We'! h a v e a system in pl.ace whereby this is h 1:1 n d l. n d , d n d t h :i. ~; s y s t: ern, l. h a L ·.is nOIAJ ·in pJ.ace, :is I:.H:d.nsJ r'E!v· .. LE!IAWci, dS the Throne Speech s<'lid a couple of months ago . At the present:. 1 no 1 n (~ n t. , c.1 s 'i L s l.: b'l n cl s , l:. h c:! L l" u L h and thE! facts c~rE! that I: he Dc:q:nJty Pr(~m:it::~r IAJas not in conflict. HE! put UtE! shares in trust 'in 1979 and had no more to do wil':h LhE! company From that time, when he became a minister of the Crown.

So the facts and the lruth are that. the rninistE!r is not :in conflict. MR. BAKER: l'-1r. SpE:1aker. Ml~. SPEAKER : ThE! han. the rn~:!rnber for GandE:!l~ . MR. BAKER : -··-··-·--·---·--· --··--- On Thur'sclay '.in UH:• i> l" e rn-i C! I" , -j n 1-1 n s IAJC! l" L o about.: the dumping of ·i. n c:l i c i'\ '1.. e d '1.. o I h C! II o 1.1 so was a certain l:lm:i.Led clulllp -i nq -j nvollJ i.nq cu] 1 s !-lou s E• c1 Cjlles l: . .i.on cucumbel''S, l.: hi''! 1'.. l. h C! r· ''! a1110Unt of' of tho vines that had i'll'lcl SOIII!:! ou I'..J:i.vocl No. 45 R241.8

their usefulness, and some organic material that was being sold to fanner's, and that: this 1.1Jas thE! extent of the dumping of cucumbers. Contrary to the Pr~)mi<,)r''~; sl:<;llernont "i.n lh(~ llouse on T h u r' s day on t1·1 (,) IAJE! <,) k E! n d IAJE! a 11 ~3 dlAJ 1 ·i rJ J ·i\)"i.nr~ co:lou;", ~;orne !:Jackc:lged cucumbE!r's S OTrl~'llAJ~l e I" e J.al"ge, CE!11ophaned thdl had bo o n dump e d cH' ound ConceptJon Bay. Pr'emier, pi:lckago I lAJouJ.cl like to ask the hOIAJ much of Llri.s dPPl"O'Jod, cucumber was dumped and could enlighten thG Houso lAJhy it lAJaS dUfiiP("!d? if he <:-l s l:o MR.

SPEAKER: The han. the PrE!lnier· . PREMIER PECK FORD : Min . SpE!aker, I haVE! tndj cat:E>d that I have givr:Hl all thE:' iHlSlAJE!r's that I arn going to giVE! on th:Ls project. If the han. rnE!mbr:~r wcwts more qur.:)s lions answered hE! can direct them to the company . MR. BAKER : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Tho hon . the mc~rnbr.:'in Fo;n Gi::lnciE!Y'. MR. BAKEl~: Mr·. SpcH!<er, :it. j s l",;ll:h< :!t" s L r"i~ngn 1- lrc~ t t h (,) PI" r:wl:i C:H', lAJho had 1: a kr:H1 o~Jer ' cornpl.olc~ conLI"Ol of Lhi.s 1:J I" o j e c t f r' o ITI h :i. s off i c E! , no lAJ a 11 oF"' sucldc:!n hds passocl "i.L bdck.

T 1.4JOrrder' why? MR. TOBIN : Question! Question! MR. BAKER: I IAJ:i.11 lj.st:en Lo t:hE! Spedi<E!l" dnd not:. thE! hon. rrd.rr.ister . Is Lh:i s dumping l:: he r'E!~>ull .: o·F thr::! L24·19 May 30, 1988 Vol XL intemperate, ill-advised and extr~1rne s lab:1monts by th~~ Minis t:er of Agriculture (Mr. Power) last l.~JOC:!!<? Is t.h'.i.s durnpi. n~ l:. hr'! r•r::!su1t of that? If so, l'lOIAJ rnuch has :'i.l:: cost tho Province? Ml~. ~>PEAI<ER : The hon. the Premier . fREMIE~ PE~I<FO~D : Min. Spoi:·lkBI", T hdV(,' dnSlAJE!I"~i!cl 1:~11. the questions I arn going to answer on i·.hc:-ll project. MR.

BAKER: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: The han . the member for Gander . MR. BAKEr': WhE!I'l is the PrE!rn:i.er goj ng lo stop slough'.i.ng ofF the responsib '.i. lity h1:! took fo1n thi s Pl"OjE:!Ct so completely and come c lean and give us the answers to questions we have been asking clay after day aftE!r day in this HouSE!? I 1: i s our bu:;:i.nE!S s, .it·. Js t:he pE:)oplE!' s business, Mr. Premier, you have tdken the tntor o st J n thi s company, so IJJhen al"E! you go:l.ng Lo corne,clean with il? SOME HON. MEMBERS: lleiH', hc~ ;~;n! Ml~. SPEAKER : The hon . I: he Pr'<,)ifl:iE!r' .

PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr'. Sp e Hk<:!l", T Lhi11k l. :h( ~ quE:!S l:. i o n tAJas LIJl'lE!n alfl I go:.i.ng to colliE! c le d n. I ha ve'! i.·llway s b o1c! l'l cl~;~a n, arn clE!an, and LIJ:.i.11 con t::i nur::! l".:o b r::! c l e cll'l . SOME HON . MEMBERS : l·lr::'dl", heal"! Mr'. LUSH: Ml". SpE:)a l«c! r . No. 45 R2419

MR. SPEAI<ER: T h "~ h o n . t h e m E!ln b e r f o r B o n a v i. s 't a Nor· L:h. Ml~. LUSH : Mr. SpE!ai<E!r', I have a CfUE!S tion f"or l:: hc,~ M'.inistc;!r' of Car·~)E!r' DE!UC;!l.Opln~:! nl:. cHld Advanced ~3t:udiE!S (Mr. Mat:. thE!IAJS). It: is in r·elal: :io nsh:i.p to the bankruptcy of the Harbinger School of Business, which tAll':!nt bankrupt last year.

This bankruptcy ostensibly has perpetuated a tE!rriblE! and an unconscionable act of '.injustice on many studenl:s l:hroughout. the Province, particularly students who withdrew from the programme beforG ti'H=~ bankrupl:cy s.itu~.'tt":i.on had deve1opC:'d.

And my question is this: Arc t:h~)se studE!nts, pal"ticulal"ly l.:hii:' s l: t.l d C:! rd:. s IAJ h o IAJ"i. t: h d I" r:• IAJ F I" o 1n pr·ogl"i:l.l'llrnes 't.hr·ough various c 'i. r c 1.1 rn s L (.'I n c e s b e f o I" c b 1:1 n k I" u p 1:. c y , dl"c,~ thl':~se sl':udents who were caughl: up in this b~nkruplcy s'.iluation liable for and responsible for the porl' .:io n of sludc,)nl l.oi.HlS t~;suc~d directly to the school, student lodns mrnounl':'.ing, ~1r·.

Sp()i:lk('!r, to $4,000, $S,OOO, or $6,000, moniE!S which these students did not receive? ~_B_~ P I.B_K E R: fhe hon. the MinisUH' of Car'(;!er· Development and Advanced Studies . MR. MATTHEWS: Mr. SpE!akE!r, lAJhat lAJE! iH'E! talking about here aga'.in is ct private bud.I'H'!S~;, a pr'iVclb;! t.rain:ing schooJ. Lhal: st:.Ud(;!nl:s f:!nl::el"cci int·.o knowing fulJ. well what monies they I~.J(;!r'e 1:.0 pay up rJ"Onl.: in 1- hc:. f~OI''I'n of tuition and other Fees.

The Depc:li"Linent oF Cdr'n'o'l" I)C:!VC!lOplfl('!l'll:., at. tl·lf'! l"l:!qUE!~;t or t.hosc,~ concer·necl, becaJTil'! ·i l'l'Jo"l.ued -i. n th ·i ~; pr::tl"·'l.-i Clllt:-11" p r' 0 b l e I'll 1:.0 I:. I" y an cl r i'\ C :i.J. :i. 1:. Cl 1:: E! accolmnodat ·ing stuclent.s ··in ol .hor· L2420 May 30, 1988 Vol XL s c h o o l s iH' o u n d I.Jw c 'i. t y . A n d , c:t s I said, we did that only upon r· o q u o s t . ~~ (:! d i . cl i. L i:·t n d IAfE! f (;! -1 L VE!ry good abou 1·: plad ng s t:udE!nt:s in other locations to conl::inue their st.udies. It is a Pl":i.vcd:E! conCE!r'n, a pr·iuat·.t~ ~:!nt.:E!r'pr·j_sE!

Lhi:~ t: has fajledl as I said at the t:i.rne. Our only tnvolvenwn t:. lAJas l:.o fadlitc-lte placing of student.~:: in othE!r' locations. MR. .LUSH: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKE I~ : Th(:. hon. Lhe rnC:~rnbc;!r for· Bonavista North . MR. LUSH: I poin ·t·- out to tl'w minis I:.E1r Lhat 1·. h o 'J o u e I" n rn c:! n 1:. r'l clv <:·\ n c ('' d L hE! ~> C'> rnon:i.es to thE! school. I ask ·:Ls t:. h C) 1 n i. n :-i s 1:. o I" a IAJ r'll" C:! I u s (;! L h ,,. example or a young, unemployed J. i.'1 cl y f I" o rn rn y o l.ll n cl j s 1:. I" j_ c l:. I a n cl .I think that is pretty typical t h r.\ t r:~ s t u d

C) l'l t I f I" o rn 1:. h e cl :i. s l. r· -.1. c t: of Bonavista North, rE!CEd.ved a student loan amounting l':o $5225, $1400 of which paid the first part of the tuition, ctnd the schooJ. gaVE! her $ :LOOO for· cash, and nolAJ ' sh~~ has to pay tho total amount of $522S to thE! bank, $2800 of lAlhich she rlE!Vl;~r sr.~lAJ? Is thC:~ rninist<H' aware that the problem Js U1a t.: grave? MR. SPEAKER : 'l"ho hon. tho Minist(~r· DeueJoment and Advanced MR. MATTHEWS : of Car-~' !t:'!l" Stud·iE!~;. Ml", 3p('!dkC!r', c•tll.

I can Sc:~y Lo that is if tho hon. l'nE!rnbel" hi'ls a s p ('! c 'i. f :i. c c d s (;, l. j_ k (! t·. h i'l t 1:-. h ,,, t: h 0 IAJant.s rnE:! to chE•ck ·.into and s<:•e th,::. clc:.t:.<•\jl~;~ i'll'lcl ~>HU -Lrc- ·i.l.·. can br:! r'(;!SOJ.Vl':~d :i.n SOrliE! lfldl'll'lf!l", t.hen T UC:!l"Y IIIIlCh IJ.JC:. -lCOITIC:. t.:he oppOI"l.:Un.i . l.:y l: o do so . B u 1: l j u ~; 1.: lAid n 1: 1:: o I" 0 .i. t C:! I" r'l I: C! 1.: h i'\ 1: I. 1·1 C! ~; ·t.. l.l d c:• n 1: 0 l'l t. 0 I" (;! cl No. lJ.S R2lJ.20

into an agreement with the school. It is very unfortunate what happened with the Harbinger School oF Business, it is not SOITIE!th:ing that: lJ..JO look upon VC:!Y'Y favour·ably, bu ·t WE! do have a pi(:'CE! of legisl~Lion thRt we ~re :it·ltJnoducing hE!InE:• in LhE! nE:!Xt clay or so t:hdl. !Arl.ll. sl:.t"cngi.:hon i'h"! Private Training Schools Act to g'i.VC:! stuci('!l'1l:s gr'Cdl:t:!l" pinotection. Of cour·se, th(;~ Act t~Jas brought in f' -j_ J" S 1:. b i'\ C !< -j_ 1'1 '1:: h 8 I 7 () S d n d l h (! i" (~ have-?. bEH;!n a lot: of changes sinCE! lhC~rl.

W(~ IAJdnt: t:O Stln(~l'lgthen and put sorne tE:~E!th in th<'! Act to ~JJV(;~ st:udents gredler protection in CdS<-?. of failures such as WE! saw 1.1.rll::h licH'bingc:H' . IF Ll'lC:! hon. gt:11Tt1eman has a specif:lc case that he,~ IAJanl::s rno t:o look into, I tAd.ll be morr:' than glad to LakE! it up ~nd SBC:1 :.i.f thE!Y'E! is sorne !Aii.·\Y tu rE!SOlVE! :it, without, of courSE!, giv:lng h-:i.m Etny guar·ant·. E!E~s in the'! House today that that can be done. MR. LUSH: ------Mr. SpE!akE!r . MR. SPEAKER : The hon , the mEwlbE!r for Bonavista North. MR. LUSII : - .

I thank thE! minister fo1n his c1 n s we r· . f. r:-\ s k l:l-1 (! rrri. rd. s 1: e I" Uri s : DOE:!S l·1:is dE!par·ttTIE!nt~ or· Lhr:1 g o 'J e I" n rn c~ n ·t: no l. r f'! e l. i~t n y !> o n s c~ o f obligation :i.n hE:!lp-.ing l·:.heS<'! sl:.udenLs t•Jho IAJ (~l"<:! ·i.nnoc c:!nl.l.y caug 1·1 1: :i r1 tl·1.i s ban I< r·u pt. cy situ~lion, thereby losing t.IIOUSiHtds and t::housands of dolldl"s? DOC:!!i th<:! IJI:in·i.steJ" Ol" t:he gov~H'niTIE!nt feEd any sc;!nse of rnor't.'ll ubllgation, politicdl oblig~Lion, Mr. SpeahH', to hEd.p a1l of thoSE! 5 l: 1.1 ci ('' n t: S IAJ h 0 lAIC! I" f:!

"i 1'1 n 0 C C:! 1'1 1··.1. y and f ' au1t.1(~ssly cauc:Jhl.~ in thE! bankruptcy of t:his private school? MR. SPEAKER: L2421 May 30, 1988 Vol XL The han. t:. he Minister· of CarEH!Y' DeveJopment and Advanced Studies. MR. MATHI EWS: Mr' . ~3p(~dkr:!r', lAJO havE! clonE! E!Velnything, we could ·in this ver·y cliff .-i c til L: s :i. t: u <.'\ t :ion oF fac:ilitating accornmodaLions (!l.S('!IAJhel"(:!, IJIIC:! r'll"l"dl'lgt::!d IT!()(;! l:. ·i l"'<jS IAJ".ith l<eyin TE!Chnici.~1 Col1e~JE!, and l .. ai.•.JY'oncc:!

College lAJ t:·\!i consc,1que::1nl.:ly established to carry on wJth COLII"SO!> s tudent: !; hRd bef~n receiving at Harbinger.

These s c h o o J. s , I rn .i g h L: s r.\ y , IAHH' (:' v (H' y , very accommodating in that they d.icl noL chdt"ge i:hr:! sl:.t.tdE!I'll:s anything above and beyond, which IAJU thought IAJc:-\S r:·\ Ll···ornE:!ndous shotAJ of. faith and good w:i.1l on their pi:~lnt, W f'! a I" E:! v f:! r· y c o n c E! r' n e cl a b o u l: F u 1:. u r E:• happenings along simi1ar Jines, a n d t. h a t:·. :i. s tAl h y IAJ E! a r· CC! strenghtening the legislation :in \:.hE! rlE!Xl~ day OY' SO Lo bu-:i.J.d protection into the act for s tud!':~nts.

W!':1 tH'E:~ going l~o increase the amount of bonding th<.·\t: has Lo t.clke place::', so that in the case of failures like thJs st-.udenl:s r:-\1"(,1 pr·otE!CLr:!d, Min. SpE!akE!r'. MR. LUSH: Mr. Spot:·\ker . MR. ~)PEAKER: A Final supp]ei 'TIC'!nl:ary, l.:hf'! hon . lhe member for Bon~visLa North. MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, the rninist:er knows I) (! I" y IAJ (;! Jl l i'liTI 1'1 0 1·: l.~ c:-1 1 !< "i. 1'1 CJ a b 0 U t· the studenLs who were p]aced in different: courses, r am Lalking about.: thE~ students IAJho IAJf : !l"~:! for'c(:!cl Lo tAJi.L·.hdl"r::\lJJ.

And rny qUIO:!Sl:.:i.on .is Uti s : S J. n c e :1. t IAI a ~' s 1 o p p y l"egul~t:.·:lons by l:.he gover ' nlrtE!I'It, slap - dash regulations Lhat caused t.his Lo happE:!n, 1.s Lhe rn:in'ist: .E!In No. 45 R242l

go·.ing l:o publicly s'l.:i'l.tC:! t:hi'll: he IJ.Jill do somEd_htng to hc,1lp those sLuclc,1nLs l.:o I " (~S'cOI"'~ l.hoi.i " confidE.HICE! - :in ·the ftnanc:ial, dernoci"~·\Lic i:\nd soc:i.c.·\1. stl"llcl.:l.ll"e of Uds · Pr·ov:i.nce, Ml". SpE!akE!r? MR. MATTHEWS : Mr . ~)pea bH' . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of CarE!E!r Development and Advanced Studies. MR. MATTfi EWS : Mr·. SpE!aker·, I think thE! hon. gentlE!rnan :u; getting a J.:it:Ll.(~ excited about this particular matter·. I might say that this par·ticular issue is stx or· seven monl:. hs old, :r think.

I bE!l..ievE:1 it is six CH' sevE!n months since this FJdl"t:.icular• :i.s~;11e i.-\Y 'OS (~, r'\nd IAJ(! l:.l":i.ed to doal with :it as bE!St IME~ co 1.11. cl . 1 cl o no l: k n OI.AJ IAJ h y L he h on . gE!nt ·lE:!ITic\n t:oclay, s:ix months J.e1'l:.E! , 1'1t'\S bi"OI.Ight up ·Uri . ~; lfli':\t. hH' a~; I:H:dng LI"E:~rriE!ndously urgE:>r11::. Wl':~ hc.·\\J(~ dE:1i'l.lt IAJ:i.l.:h "i.t on<'~ cons.i.sl.:un ·l·. bctsis, M1". Speaker. We have facilitated lhe students, a.ccornrnodating Lhc,~m E:~lseiJJhE!Y'E! to C 0 ITI p l <:! 1: E:! t h EO! -.i r S 1.: I I d i e S . W (~ h r:\ d the curr·tculum checked out at thE!

Keyin Technicctl College and the LawrE! n c e Coll E!g E! to see that i: hE!.Y :indeed filLed IJJhat had been happenJng at Harb:inger. And if l.:he hon. gE!nU .c,1 rniH1 has a specific case, I said let me know and I will check it oul.: to see if so mething CfH1 be done, without: making any guarantee. Mr~. GU L LACE : ·--••R ________ ,.,w,_ MR. SPEAKER : T h () h o n . L he 1 n P rn b l"! I" F o I" W i:\ l:. e I" f o I" d -· I< E:HHrl 0 1.11'1 1 ... M r~ . C l.l q ACE : M r' . ~~; p (;! d k (!

I" ' r:·\ q u (! s 1: :i. () n t.. 0 L h e I 2422 Mt~y 30, 1988 Vol XL P r·omt eJ", ·i. n L hn i:lbs (H1 c e of:- t:hP Minister of Consumer Affairs and Cornlfllll'l"."i.cr-ii.. Jo n~; (Mr·. Younq).

L.asL year we saw drug patent l.og"i.sl.i:\L:i.on corn(:! :i.nl.:o bc:!:ing undE!r' Bill C-22, and thts legislation IAJi'\ S (;! n C 0 U I" ()\ CJ C'! d a 1'1 cl J. 0 0 k C! d 1::- 0 I" b Y t h E:1 cl r u g c o rn p a n J e s , IAJ h J c h 1.11 (;! r' E• prornis Lng exLra spending on research and development over a t:E!I'l y(~f.\r' pE!I"JOd, IAJhJ.ch IAJi'AS l'llo!Ver• lE!gislatE!d but CE!rt:ainly prorntsE!d, and as a r·c,,sult: of l:hal: r·~'quest:, during the start of the free trade negoLiations, we have seen excessive drug costs result in Canadd.

My qu(~S Liun is Why IJ.Jould this governrnE!nt ~=!ncour·ag(~ and bdck 1.1 p t: h (:\ 1:. b :i.l.J. i'\ t: l:: h a 1:. l:. :i rriE! , IJJh i. C h has seen these excessive costs 1-:.a!<o plc'lcC'!? Mf~. SPEAKER : T h E! h 0 n . t h E! P 1" (;! ITI i E! r·· . .E_f~ EM I E_fL_E . .l~~l~LQBJ2. : T !< n o 1.1.1 i:. h e h o n . 1r1 e rn b e i" ::i. s d n ~~ w TJIE!rnber of the HousE•, and bc,'fOI"E:! bE:' c orn·i.ng a ITIC:1rnbe I" of 1.: h (;! H ol.l s (~ hE! was, and still is a rnE!InbE!r' of l::he C ·i_ l.: y Co 1.1 n c:i.l , <:-\1'1 d :is , o rH'!

IAJO uJ. d presume, an informed citizen of 1\JE:!IJJfouncll.c·\l'ld and Labl"ddOI", but: h:is question leads rne to beJ.:ieve 0 t h ~11n1.1.Ji S (:1 . W (,1 0 b j e C t: E! d t 0 1:: hE! introduction of thJ. s in thE'! !-lousE:' oF Co1nrnons. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! PREMIER PECI<FORD: We objecl.:ed :in this House, we object:ed outside th:is House, we IAJ r' o t: C::! 1. e t: t E:!

I" s , 1.1.J C! h a cl 1 nee l·:. j _ n q ~; with t-.he FE!ciE!ra1 rE:•preSE!nt:i~d:ive :in t h e C a b -L n E:! t o F C a n t~\ cl d , I 1.1.1 I" o L r::! 1:: h C' Min:i.st.E!r of' ConsumE:!r' AFFail"~; :i.n 01-.:Lr:·H•.JC\ 111YSC~-l.f. The ~~ · ini~:;t.OI" or H e a 1.1:: h o b j '~ c 1: (:• d t:. o h :i s c o u r 1 L E! r' p a r· t_ ··j n CH 1.: d IAii'\ ' I h (;' M j l'l'"i s t:·. 1,! I" 0 r Con~::urnE!Y' AFFaii "S lAJl"ol·:\"! 1 · 1::~ ~; co 11 n 1:. C:! I" pr'\ i" 1·. :i. n 01. L diJ.Id L h I"E! E:! +:. :i ITH'! s No. 45 R 2'1-2 2

from here. We:1 objected to 'it in eUE!ry way, shape and forrn, and completely opposed the legislation, because our best assessmE!nt IAJas that. IAJ(;! t.•Joul.d not:., here in Newfoundland, for example, get a countervailing amount of rnoney i.n t"E:1SE!ar·ch and dE!VC::11oprn~Hlt and jobs thctt would offset what we sat.u as an incr·easJ.ng bur·den upon those who are least able to pay fot" dtnugs in our PtnovinCE!, and I Lh-Lnk tt J.ooks liko ii: mi'ly be coming Lt"ue. Thet"C:1 have bE!C-?.n sornE! IAJhO Si'1'i.d th(;!I"E:!

IAJOiiJ.c:l b() SOifl() f~ r:<tnd D rnonE:'Y corning t.o the:! '.local hosp"'i.1.·.<:11 hor·e, but r do nol: Ud.nk it is ~~oing to be so s:ignificc.'lnt a S l 0 0 f (c S ('! t 0 U I" 0 r· :i g ··i. l'l i'll. obj E:1ctions, and IAJe continUE! to objE:1Cl : to tho in.it.ir:~L'i.vE! l..ak<:'n by the federal government. MR. GULU\GE : Mr· . Speai<EH· . MR . SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the mE!Htber for· WatE!r'ford - Kenrnount. MR. CULLAGE: ·Give-;·-- alf·- of that activity last year, what does the Premier now plan t.o do?

Not.u that IAJe see the debate about to heaL up on the free trade agreement once again, n o d o u b t. t·: h ·i s c o n d :i. t i o n .1. s s t·. J 11. pat"!: of the cond:ition that was in plaC('! at tho t·."i.rnE!, t~thi:1'L dot::!S t.h(~ ~:jOVIo1l"l'lll'i(!l'lL l'lOIAJ plan to do t:O S(;!E~ Lhc:tl an arnendl'fl('!l'll·. t.r:-1!<(:!~; pJ.e1ce ·in t.he lE~gislation? MR. ~3PFAI<ER : The hon. th · (~ Pt"otn.i.C!I'' .

PREMIER PECI<FORD: ·i--· --:t~T;·T;:·iT(----·-i~T~:;---ho n . rn E~ rn b (! t" :i s v E! r· y confu:;r::!d. l LhJnk he "i s dUtorncl'l':.ica11y conclt.td:ing t.haL t:hE:! drug patent:. legislation had something to do with free trade. L 2t~2 3 May 30, 1988 Vol XL MR. GULLAGE: That is the implication of it . PREMIER PECKFORD: not fr·orn anyth·.inq I have IAJhi'l 1:. hdppen~; PREMIE~ PECKFORD: l.rJel.J., yott C:'lr'C:~ g11es:; ·i.ng.

Tht;! hon. rn<:~rnbE!r has EdthN' got Lo pt"oduce C:!lJ'idC:!I'lCO, C:'tnd t:h("i'l r'C:!dC h i:1 conclusion bdsed upon that E:!lJ"i.c:lt=!f'lC(:! i'·1nd (: hC!I"f'!fCOI"I'.:! !::he conclusion is val·.id, ot" ol:hco!I"IAJ:ise he rn;:,lke s .:-1 :;l:.r.·1t.("l'llenl·: based on no evidence that is not necessaril.y v (·1 l. ·i. d ' MR. DECI<Ef~: -·---- R------- MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. thE:! rnernbt::!r' fot" th~" Str·a:i t:: of BellE! Isle . MR. DECKER : Mr·. Sp(,!ak(~r. rny qu(,~stJ.on is Lo thE! han . the Minister of Forest RE:!SOUr'CE!S (l'-1r'. R. AyltAJ!.'Ard). Th'.is ministE!r WclS not thE!

FOY'E!Str'y Min'i.ster two years ago, but he might recall two years ago that b ('! c m u s e ·f.: h e F o r· C! s +:. :~ a n q E:! I" ~; :i. n t. h ''! Strait of Belle Isle district were n o 1.: h "i. Y'

f) cl o "' r· l. y (;! n o 1,1 g h • I a c c u s e cl t·:.ho govetnnrnE~nt of poss:i.bly hav'.'it 'IS1 ~;otno Udng l.:o do IAJ"i l..h Lhu Fot"e~; t:. fii"E" IAJh'ich t:ool< pJ.acE:' up Lhl'!l"e at:. I h n s "'l'rl n 1.: ·.t.lfl e L h :.i. ~; 1 kJ d :; q o :i n q o n . I ask the minisLer now is he aware t·. hi'1 l. t he r·i.ve FOI"f'!S t.: l~dnqet"S tn the Stt"ait of BE"lle I~;}E! d:ist.r·~Lct <:\t"e not yet : h i t"c:~cl For th~=! sea:;o n? Mr~. ~3 PEAKER : hon. t:he M:in:ister' or FOI"E'! st. Re~;out"CC:~s . Mf~. R. AYLWARD : No. 4-5 R24-23

Thank you, Mr. Speai<E:11". No, I <:ll'rl not dlAJiH'<o! r·ight now, Ml". ~:; p o d k e I" , b 1.1 t. I IAJ'LI. 1 c c r· l.i:\'.'i. n 1 y L i.'l k E:! :it ur1dE!I" advtsem~:!nl: and l"epor·t bdc k to l:.hr~ hon. Jflf!lnbc~l". MR. rn:CI<FI~ : Mr. Speaker, a supplementary . MR. SPFAI<EI~: A supplolfl~~nt.ary, member for the IS J. (o1, MR. DECKER: l:: h ~~ Strait hon. of th(:1 Belle I---:-t}J f.l i:-ik .. _ thE! rnJ. n is t E! r for h t s pr·omise, and I ask IAr:i.ll hE! undertake to have these five peoplE! h-:i.r'E:!d :irrmiE:H~Jal:.ely? I understand, and the rrrin"is t~E!r could probably cor'l"t!Ct.

Jn~:1, Lhc:tl:. tho other Forest Rangers throughout t.h(~ PJ"ovincc:! hi't~JC;! been h·ii"E•d. So I am ask'.ing IAJi.lJ. hc,1 unclc,1r'tak(:1 to 5 e E! t h c:-\ 1: I b (! r 0 I" (;! l:. h E! d d y i. 5 0 I) (~ i" I thr::!Se five men haVE! bE!en r· c,1 "i. n s "1:. C\ l:. (o! d? MR. SPf::rli<ER : ThE! hon. the M:in:i.stco!i'' of For'E:1St I~Cc! s 01.1 r· c (:! ~; . Mf~. R. AYL~~ARD : Mr·. Sp~~aker, I -!".old tht~ hon. g(:!ni·:.J.~~man T l.•.k\S nol: diAk\I"C:! or the problem. I w'.iJ.l take ~L under advisement and I will certdinly report back to htm. MR. LONC : Ml". Spc,1akE!Y'.

MR . ~-JPEAKER : The;! hon . t.hE! rnE!ITibE!I" fol" St. John's Eels t. MR. LONG : -·-----Thank you ver·y much, Ml". SpeakE•!" . I have c:-\ question today For l::he M"i n :i 5 1:. c,~ I" of ~3 o c i ell ~3 r:! I" v '.i c C::! s , an cl i. L c o n c t:! 1" n s I h o f i'1 c 1".·. 1.·. h i:-1 t 1'. h j ~; ·1. :; I 24-24· Mi:-lY 30, 1988 Vol XL National Access AwaJ"E!rlE!SS WE!Ed<. Mr. ~:)por.'lk(~l~, I i.,\lfl i.n a IAJhc;!(~l.chc:"::i.r· 'L o d a y b u t , of c o u r· s 1':1 , a t t h E! . e n d 0 f 1: h (~ d c:•\ Y T I~) 'i.J.l J. (! d IJ (!

Jrllj C h i:•l :i I" and be back to work in regul.ar Ci~\fli'\Ci . l.y tOITIOY'I"OIAJ, l:lll{: fOI" ll'lanlj people that is not the case. I tAJould l:ike to a~;k the rn::i.n·.i~;"I::E!l'·· :i s L h u go v e I'' n lflf'! n L cons :i. dE! r· .i. n g a proposal, in light of a commitment rr·om Lhe c:i.Ly of ~3t. John's, to provide another van to the HUB? ThE!I"I':1 i.s r:-1 50/50 cost .. - shc:H·:inq agrE!~:!Tnent, so is thE! Province cornrn·i l:I".:E!d L:o do:.i.nq E!Uer·ything ·.i l.: can to E!nsur'E! that the HUB tJ.Jill be abJ.

E! to pur c has E:• hl.JO n (:'IAJ v e h·i c 1 (;! s for thE! transport:ation of thE! hclndlcappc;!d? Mf~. SPEAKER : The hon . thE:! M:i n:istE!Y' of Soc:i al S e r· IJ ·i, c e s . Ml~. TOBTN: Mr. Speaker, the provinc:ial f)opi:·\l"'l".lnenl: of ~)oc::i.i'\1 ~:)E:!I"v:i.ces extends a substantia]. amount of 1110 1'1 0 y 0 I) 0 i"

I) y (! c'\r' L 0 1". h C! IH.l B ' 0 u r· pi"OQJ"armncc!S aJ"E! on~Join~J. W(:1 hflV('' 111 o 1: tAd. I. h ·l· h (~ p (~ o p 1 c:! ·F I" o l'fl L: l·w H U [l o v E! I" t h E! p a s 1".: F C'! IAJ rn o n 1: h s , cl -L 5 c 11 ~; s o d s e IJ e r· r:\ 1 -L s s u o ~; lAd L h them, and, YE!S, IJ.H~ ar'l':1 cornrn:iLb:!d I·~ o d o :i. n q C:! IJ (:! r· 1J t: h :i n g t.•.J (;! c d n t. o h e 1 p thE! handicr.lppE!d peoplE:! :in Lh·.:L::; PJ"ov"tnc'~. MR. LONG : r"'1". ~)pE:!ai<E!Y', a suppl.l:!rnentaJ"Y · MR. SPEAKER: A suppJ.ernc,1ntaJ"Y, l:hE• hon . mernbe1" r-·or· ~1 t. John's Eac.; L. MR.

LONG: Ml". ::;pf)c'ikor··, T thank i·.he l'll"i n:.i.s t.el" for Lhat cornnJitrnE!nl~. l an1 ~;ur·c:· 1.: h 0 H l./ B IAJ i. -11 l. 0 0 I< F 0 I"I)Jd I" cl l .. 0 1:. h l"! purchase oF l::he vans. !AJ o 1 1 l. d l. -L k u 1:. o <'1 ~; k I. 11 e 1wi n :i. s 1·. e r· No. 45 R2424

about the status of the monitoring procedures on building clcc<,~ssibil:Lty and thE! :inlpOJ"tant work th~t the government has commit:tE!d Jt.:S("!J.f to. SpE!C:if:i.caJ.ly I would lJ.ke to ask the m:inistE!r is h~~ alAJar'E! tl·1at·. Ll·1e govE~r-nm<,~n-1:. 1 s own HowlE•y Bu:iJ.ding, just l·wrE! on Higgins Line, ~s in no way accessible to citizens of this Prov-.i.nc(:~ tAJho 1nust go thE!r'<,~ l·.: o do land registration work in search of l:heiJ" de~:!ds? Wot.Jl.d -Lho minister give an undertaking to 1. 0 0 k i. n t: () t h r'\1: s "i. 1.: 1.1 i'l [:: i. () n? MR.

SPF.:AKER: ·---------- ThE~ hon. the Min:ist<-'!r of Social S<:!l"lJtcos. Ml~. TOB TI\J : Ml". SpE!ai<E!I", I th:ink that question IAIO 1.11. cl p l" 0 b db 1. y b 0 b (~ l.: l:. (! r' cl 'i. I" (~ Ct.(! d t.o my colJ.ea~JUE:!, thE! Min :isi:E!r' of Labour·, tAJho~>E~ jUl"isrl'i.cl.. .Lo n t-·.hat comes under. MR. SPEAI<ER: The---~~the MinistE!r of Labour. MR. BLANCHARD: M r . S pea k I;:H' , I t hi n k I go t t h t! gist of thE! question. It is the f:irst t:irnE! it. has corn(:~ to rny attention. I have had no cornpJ.aint. : on :il:.

I l.lJ:i.l.l tak(:~ :l.t: under advisement and I will report to the hon. lTit::!rnb<;!r' IAJh<:'tL LhE:~ sH:uat:ion is. Mf~. LONG: Mr. Speaker, a Final supplementary . M I~ . S P F A I( 1-' ~~ : ~- fin ~s upplE'!IT IC!n tai"Y. I: he hon . the lnr::!Jnbur- fol" SL. John's F<:·\~;'l:. Mf~. LOI\JC : My f :i 11c::1l supp1E:!InenLaJ"Y i~; a~~a :in t:.o L h c M ·:i. n i s I. E! l" o r:· ~ : ; o c. i. c:·' l. ::) ~'! r' tJ i c c ~; , who is responsibJ.e fo r go u e I" r11n f! n L. ' ~; ''' c -1:-. ·-L v ·i. 1·.: ·i e ~' tAI.i. t h respect to tho needs of L21~2S May 30, 1988 Vol XL hc'lndicapp<,~d p~wpl(:~.

Will ht:~ qiVE! a commitment to the House today 1:-.hat th(o! gov~;:~r·nrnE:~nt IAJt11 continue to put in place TTIE!asurE!S to ·iiTipJ.E!ITIE:!nt the E!ITiployrnE!I'lt E!CjU:ity rE!port, especially j_n J.tght of thE! needs in transportation and physical accessibility, which is t. () ~; d y t h"' L l: h 0 s (:~ () t. hE!)" l.:tAJO :i s s 1..1 (' s that I have raised are cr:itical to ornpl.oyniE!nt ~~qu'"i.ty t n t:·.h:i.s Province?

Could the minister spoc::1.k to Lh(~ pt"-i.nc t pl.(~ of transpor·tation and physical acU!SS in J.i.ght o·F l·. he ~~1Tip1oyniE!I'tl:. equ:i.t:y prograrnrne that the minister is conun"i. ttod L:o? MR. TOBIN: Ml". Sp(-'!aker . MR. SPEAKE!~: l"hl~ hon. Lhc:! or ~)oc·ic:,\1 SE!ruicr::!S . MR. TOBIN: -··---··-·-----·· Mr. SpE:~clker', lAJE! have nE!V(:•r baclu:!d atAklY, t'1S c:-1 govE:!r'niTIE~nl::, Fr-orn supporting any thing that IAJE! could suppor-t. w:i. thin tl'H~ fiscal capad . ty of t h i s g o v e r nrn E! n t .

I t h :i. n k i f you J.ook at tho budget of the DE!partrnent CJf Soc.ial Ser'viCE!S and other agencies and other departments, Mr. SpeakE!r, WE! haVE! a pr-~:!t.l: y good r'<'!COl"d i.n Lh-.l.s Province as it relates l.:o !;uppol"t: .-Lng Vr.-lr'·"i.ou!; gr-oups i::ll"ouncl the Pr'oui.nCE!. ~)OMF l-ION. MfMB E l~!'i: l-IE! a I", h~~ar! Ml~. ~,J. C()iHFi~: Ml" . Speai<E!Y'. Mf' . SPFAI<E": "l"h e hon. l.ht:! Tw:i11inga LE!. My q 1.1 ,~ ~; L i u n of FJ!;hr::!r':it:!S No. t~S qOE! S (Ml". lrJ(~IilbUI" J':OY' L o 1.: h u Mini. s L e r' r' J d E! o u l. ) a n d i t 1~24-2 5 . ..

conCE!rns a statemE!nt madE! by thE! mLrd.sl:er· on M;'ly 16 I~JI'lOI"o-Ln he i.UinOtHICed that hJs depar·t:rnent I~Jould PI"Oli'.icle r:1 ~~20, 000 gl"dl'lt t:o thE! Fi~;h (.):id l)(;!v~doprn~~nt: Agency, F A n A . ·r h (! p I I I" p 0 ~; (! 0 f l. h ·.i s '] r· ,~, n L. I II(:! ~;i.'l:id, IAJds to pur·su(~ mal"kE!'l:: cl f:! '! u ·1. o p 1 n e n l: j _ n ·j t·. r:·l I. "i. u C'! :; ··i, n ~~ r:• s I·. (.)f1··:l.ca. Ml". ;3pl':~akE!I", on thE:! I~J (~ (~ k (! n d :L t: I~J H s s p ('! c II 'l r;1 l:: (! d ·.i n The Evening Telegram H1Clt UIE! F:i s h Ai.cl Agency m-Lght fold for li:·1ck of fundj_ng.

Was the minister atAJai"E! of these problems wilhin the Developme!nt Agency, Mr. SpeakE!r I u.JI'lC::Hl !::he $20,000 gr·anl:. IAii;u; Cltlnouncod? MR. RIDEOUT : Mr. Speakr:'r . MR . SPEAKER : ThE! hon. thE! MinistE!r of Fisi'H:~rif:!S. MR. RIDEOUT: -n·--•n--•~••--n•••---••• Mr· . ~:) FHc! a k E! r· I I l'li:·1 v !:'! b ~H! n <'liAJd I" f:! f o I" SE!Veral months !-:hat t.hE! Fish Aid Deve'lopment Agency -Ls hau-Lng financial d:ifficul ty. I have had n 1.1 rn (~ r () l.l s rn (c~ (:! l:: .i n g s \AI i. t h r-1 r· ' F () J. (~ y I IAJho :is iHtiU(-:1 IAI'ith FADA.

I haue hi'ld l'lUmOI"OUS lfiOC:!L"'i.ng~; IAJ''i.th I" e p I" e s (->. 1·1 t i~ t i u c,~ s F I" om C E I C , t h E! r(:!d(!Y'i'll gOV(,~I"I'ITTieni., l-:.hi"OIIgh IAJhi.ch f(.)l)(.) has bE:HHl U·y:in~~ to acce:~ss s 0 In('! r 1.1 n cl i n g ' A n cl I d 0 n 0 1-. h i:1lJ (~ t.h(:! IJUmbE~l" l":i.ght. off th"! top oF my h chHI l·w I""! 1:. o cl r:1 y b 11 L-. I c i:ll'l g e l:'. i I. I but, Ml". ;3peakE!I", it is gE!I1(;'1"ally CUY'l"E~Ct. l.·.o ~>i:·1Y l:hdl'. ·Lt. hdS bE:!C:!n l'fiY department and th:is government-: t.hat hi:;ts~ kf:!pl.-.

FADA <;1l.J.v(~ ov~:!l" the last yr:!i:lr or so t:hou~;ancls of dolJ.ai"S IAIOI" l::h of 91"cHI t:s. SOME HON. MEMBERS : HrH~r, heiU'! fiR~:-f.A I~ J E_R : Ml" . Spc;!akol". I. 24·26 May 30, 1988 Vol XL A supplementary, the ln(~rnber· for· TIAJ·.ill. 'i. ngdl:(:!. Ml~. ~~. CARTER : hon. the Ml". SpE!al<t,~r, :in l:.hE! ar·l::Jc1f~, Ml". F o l o y I t h c~ P I" o s :'i. cl t:! n L·. o f F A D A , to~kl s quoted f.-l.~; stating that his agency h<:·1~; ,;1pp]Jucl l"o;" <:1 '1>100,000 qt"anl:. From the FecleraJ./Prou-.incial 1: 1'1 s h 0 I" e F i. ~; h E'! I" :i. r~ ::; D e V H 1. 0 pI fl e n 1:·.

Agi"E!E!tnent, and t:hat thE! pr·ouis·ion of t h <·1 1'.: <;11'11 o u n L of rn o n E! y IAJ u u l d cer·t _aJnJ.y pl"ouidE! cl nt.nnbE!I" of jobs, "i. n fact, hf~ sl.:a'l'.-.os t.tJ.Jenty jobs -.in the Placentia Bay area, For· l::hE'! pi"OCC'!SSing of malE• caplin. Mr. SpE!etkE!Y', g:iu(Hl Uw Fact t.:ha.t Nr:~tJ.Jf.ol.lnd1<~1ndt:!r's ai"E! no1.u endeauourJng to SE!CUrE! mar·I<E:!tS for· rnalt'! caplin, hc1S the rn-:i.n'.'i.s -t.E~r llli~dl':~ repr'E!Sentation specifica1ly to his f E'! d ('! r· r·1 l. c o u n t. '"! r p i'it r· 1:·. to~l"i. 1- h a u ·i r:!

IAJ l:. o having that arnount of rnon(:•y rnadE· ava.i.labl.(:! t:u l::h~:! agt::!ncy l.:o E!ndble th(~HI to pLII"SLJ(:! thE!-.1.1" obj(:!c[·:-:i.V(:! of pl"OCf:!~;\;ing <:'lnd fj_ncling a n1a1"kt"'l~ For ma1E! cdplin? MR. SPEAKER : Tho han. the Minister of Fisheries . ~1r~. RIDI:~our: Mt".

SpE!ak(:!r, on the;! pai" 'L'icu1c.!l" r·oq11c~:; · L thai: l:he hon. gon-1-.J.r~rnan "iS now r(,~fE!rr·ing to, I think it: tAJCls on-ly <:·1 d<.·1Y :;o i:1qO, Cr:!I"Lc1"i.nl.y onE! day last week, that that p a I" I. :i. c 1 1 ] d 1" I" E:! q u u s L I" (;! a c h ('! d JTIIJ oFFice, so obvious1y we are <:1ssc·ss··ing "i.l:. notAl dnc:l I•.J:oi.J.l. c:~cl.: on it: as best we can. But.: 'in tho past, M"' Spt"!aker·, I hi;tV('! rnade nu1ner·ous r't:~PI"(!~;r;!nt.at-. .-i.ons to various agenc'.'ies and depdrtmenl'.s oF the Government of C d n a d c~ o n b E:d-1 a 1 f o f F A D A .

A n cl 1 ~:;dy aqa-.in 1:-.o t.ht:'! hon. qE:!nl-.-.J.elnan and to l:'.h'is HousE• that it. has been lfiY depal"l"".ITH'•nt. and Lh:'i.~; qovHr'niiH:!nL that has kept FADA aJ'.'ive fj.nanc:i.<.·1'1.l.y I'~OI" -Lhr:! last.·. ~>C'!VSJ"al 1no n t·.: hs. No. 4-5 R 2 4-26

SOME HON. MEMBER§: Hear, hear·! MR. EFFORD -: Mr· . SpE:1ai<E!r'. MR . ~3PEAJ<ER : ThE! hon. the membor ror Por·t dE• GraVl':1. MR. EFFORD : Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is lo the Minister· of Soc'ic :·1l Sc~J"V-i.c~:!S , In l i.ght: or Lhc,1 fact th~t the Premier of this P r o IJ -i. n c l':1 h R s b o e n b o a s· L 'i. n g ;;, b o 1 1 1.: the economic conditions and the ni.JJTibc,1r' o f job!> cr~)c:11 : od, ;.-1nd l:ho weJ 1-· bt:lin~~ that h:i~; goVE!I"nrnent has bi~ought l.o I: he! pHopl e, i'lnd L:hc,1 11dn:i.steJ" h:i.rnsc,1] f has said thi.~t his d c; !pi:·\J" i.: JII~~nl -i s c:lo-Lng C:!IJeJ"yl.:h··ing po~;sj. i:JlE:! fo1" t: I'IE! PE'!Oplc'! of l:h :is P I" o IJ t n c e , IAI o u J. d L h o 1 n i n ·i s L (!

I" oxpl.cn .n t:o lhE~ ~lousE~ of Assembly, in hi. S 01AII'1 IAI<H'dS, IAJhy l"i.n~~UpS c!\l food banks :in St. John's and ar·ound l.:hc,1 Pr·ovinc'~ c\Y' Co1 gr'oiAJ'i.ng at such a rapid rate? MR. SPEAKEr\ : The hon . the Minister of Social Services. MR . TOBIN : Mr. SpE!aker, it is not only thE! DepartrnE!nt of Social SPI"VicE~s, because IAihen the hon . gentleman 1nr.1kes r·eft:!r'r ,!nCc:! Lo Lll('!

E~conornJ. c condi !: :ions of thE:1 Province undE!r L h .i s i:~ eli n -L n i. s t: r' c:-1 l L o n h t'! 1 ~; e:1 x ;:·1 c 1·. l. y J"i~~ht, that L~1 : ing s aJ" E! gr'OLIIing, 9l"OI~I'ing VC!r'y fcils'l:., r.IJI". ~3pt:!i:·\ker' . Econorn:lc cond :il::i.ons :.i.n !:his P 1" u v -i. n c e h i:1 \J E:! c h <:1 n g e d d I~ a S t ::i. C a J. J y . lt\1 E:1 i:l I" E! 0 II t h C:! I" 0 a cJ L o an c:-1 s i. o 1.1 n eli n ':!J I" C! co v C:! r· y , rJJ r· . SpE~ akc:) l", i:·~r1d thE'! p E:! opJ C'! on s o cial '-~~;s · is l.. ;:·\nc c:! , l.h t:! puop l c! on Lh c!

JOJAJPI"' J.co' VE:!] S oF Ul'lE!rllpJ.oymenl_, I 1.. lri n k , i. n <:·1 IT1 d t t. C'! I" of L :i. 1 n c~ , IArU l ~eo this Province changing 1..21~2'1 May 30, 19B8 Vol XL ceJ"l:iJI'i.nJ.y fo1" t.ho bc,1nE!fit. of all. of us. .ei~_:.._ E f_ F 0 rm : Mr. SpeakE!r . MR. SPEAKE I~ : A s upplE!I'TJenl:cu~y, the hon . t. h (:' member for Port de Gravo. MR. EFFORD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . ObviousJ.y the Minister of Social Serv .ices di d not under s Land the q u E! s t i o n I r.A s k E:! d h i rn . I a s k h i rn d g a :i. n , M r' .

S p c,1 <:·\ k (:' I" , tAl h y i:'ll" ~: ! 1:: he l :i J'lE!Ups g r'OiAd. ng not only a 1: food b r:-1 n k ~; -i. n ~: ) 1.: • J o h n ' s , b 1 1 l f o o d banks have been ext o nded to I r :!l~ n.~;por'l:'~' Fr ' E!ShtAii:~i:C!I" and PlaCE!ntia? Why aJ"E~ t hE:!~) E! lJneups L·. i:=tk-.ing plr:-\C C! c:-11.: rood bdnl<s l.•.lh· .. i.J.,:• tl·1e rnin:i.st.c;!J" say~;; !:hat c;! VE!J"yt.h :i. n<:J ·i :; o k i.·\ y j n L. h C! P I" o IJ i. n c e ? C j v ('! u s an E!Xpl<:lnation on IAihy t:hi s ·.i.s hi:·1PPE!ning! MR. SPEAKER : The hon . the Min]. st:E!r of Social Sr:!J"Vicc:!S . Mr~.

TOBIN: Mr , Spel'lker·, you know, the hon . gentleman gE!tS up and taJ.ks about thE:' food banks -Ln St. John's, and noiAJ they are extended to PlacenL]a and to Lew i sporte. Why is the hon . gentleman, Mr . Speake r , againsL the people of Pla c entia a n d L e IAri s p o , ~ t E! h a v Jn S1 U·w s a rn E:• l:-.ypo oF c:·1CC~o!S~> 1:-.o f·.hl'o!SC! l·.: h·.'i,nq~; i::\S the people in St. John's? SOME _1!_01\!.. MEMBERS : lle;;11", hE~<:~J"! r'll~. [FFORD: - --- -M 1··· • ~ 3 p ('' a k e I" • MR . SPEAKER : (l f :i. ni.-lJ. Sllpp- I.C:!Ifll:!n i.: i:'II"Y, i.. hC! hon. the member For Port de Grave. No . 11.

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SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hoar, h~~i':\1"! MR. FFFORD-: Ml". SpE!al((;!r, "il: is d i. s g r· d co F 1.1l. For 1·. h ~~ Mt n t s L o i" Social Services to stand in pl..·\CC! cHl!'l llli'\kC:.! d !>l:.r-\l..(~lllf:!l'lL. Lhdt t.h:i s aft~:!l"rtoon. of h :i ~; "l i. kn I a s k L he M -:L n i. ~; ·i·: o l" o r ~; o c :i. <.'11. ~3t'1l''Viu~s 1.\Jhen is hr:~ going to takr:~ hi.s job S(~r-.i.ous " l.y onough t.o implement some new policies and 1ncroaso the ctl1ow~nc8 his depc.u·tni(Hlt is notAl giving to l"(;!t:".ip.it;!nl:.s Lo di:. lee1st.

"' dec(~nt amount so thE!Y can at l~~ast buy gr'OC~H·:Los and buy SOln(,~ cleCEHlt cloUlE!S to put on thEdr childrEln, or is the minister going to resign and let somebody else who is going to do a better job fill the seat? MR. SPEAKEr~ : Thr::~ hon . t:hE! MJ.n] .s l:.E!r' o·r ~)ocj_t:'\l Sel"Vices . MR. TOBIN : Mr. Speaket", I take my job as tn:i. n i. s t. ~:! r v f:! r' y ~;~:!I" "i. o 1.1 s l.y , c;\ n d L h c:-1 t is IAJhy WE!dnE!Sdc\Y BVE!n:ing pclSt we had dboul 7~)0 oJnpJ.oyl:!OS of Lhc:! Department of Social Services c:-1ttenrltng a conFerence, Mr.

SpE!i!lb:!l", tAJhc·H'Ed::Jy t.o~JE! had val"ious IAJOl" k :; hops ;:·\ nd L r'<•Li. n ·i ng pr'Oljl"artmH~ !> on Fol'· t:hE!rn. The Pl"t:HniE!r' IAii'lS Lhere, Mr. Speaker, as guest spt'!C\kE!l". HE:! ~JOL cl l::rE·rn~:!ndous I" e c (;! p t: "to n , M r' . ~:3 p o "' k e I" , SOMF HON. MEMBERS: Hl:li:ll", hei\\r'! Ml~. TOBIN : He IAJC1~> ablE•, Ml". SpE:~ai<E~r-, to aclv·isE!

Ol" oinfor'ln or' announce to LI·IE! gather:in~1 that·:. f.~n add:i.ttonal l:hj.r·Ly pE:!I"Inan~:!nL posil:.:i.ons have,' be(:!n cr'E!ated f'or· the Dt:!pi:-:tl"tment of' Social Serv-:Lces in Lh i s year's buclgE:'l:, ancl IAJE:! i:H'E! going to l.o~Jork May 30, 19BB Vol XI... very c 1 o s e 1 y with a 11 of thE! people in tho ficdd, a VE!Y'Y dc,~dtcated group of individuals. Desp · i.-J·.c,~ t.l·to hon. g~:!nl·.l.,~rnan, Mr'. Speaker, Lhings tn this Province i'lY'e gc;!Lt ··ing bE:!l-.1-.C:!I". ;:)OMF 1·101\J. I'-1EMflEin : HE!i'll", hE:!clr'! f"'l~ . E F F 0 R 11 : Mt". Spe!aker, dtd they havE:!

Kr·af l d-:i.nner' fol" Sllppol"? MR. SPEAKER: CkdE!r, pleaSE!! MR. 'GILBERT: Mr·, ~)pr:lakE!Y'. MR. SPEAKER: The hon . thE! rnE:!rnbE!l" fol" Bay ci'Espo-Jr·. MR. GILBERT : Thank you, Ml". 5pE:!aker· . I have a question for the Minister of Tl"anspor· ·t.dLion (Ml". DoylE!). Now that the federal government h c\ s J. 1'1 1:. I" 0 d u c E! d l. e g j_ s J. <'1 l·:. t 0 n L o pl"ivati.zE:! Air· Canc:H~a, ha~; yoUl'' g o lJ ~! I" n rn o n i: d E~ lJ C:! J. o p 1'.! d i'l p o s ·.:i. l.. :i o n o n p r i v a t i z a t i o n <:-:. n cl h a v E:!

Uw y h c-HJ i'll'liJ rl"i.sc11!;~;:i . ons 1~ri.l:h l:h(~ Fl:!df:!r'<\11 gOVE!rniTif.~nt COI1CEH'1'\J 1'19 thE:! pI" i. l.J d L ·-j_ z i'\ 1·. "i. 0 n 0 f n "i. l'"' c ;:•l n d d i.'\ ? ~1R. SPEI1KER: ThE! hon. t.he M:i . n:l.~; LE•l" of T l" '"' n s p o I" "L i'l t ··i. o n . MR. DOYLE: 1\lo, Mr'. Spl~i:\kOI". l·he hon. g E! n t: 1 o rna n IAJO u 1 d b ~' f.l.IAJa r· e t: hat L h j ~:; ITii:,j t. t: e I" .is no l.: u n cl (;! r' t. h o p l" o v :i. n c .:i. a 1 jurisd:iclton of the D~:!par·tnlE!nt of Tr'dnspOl"t:.c::tl: . .ion, but. i~:~ a FE:!ciE!l"al rna t. l: e r' , No , · M l" .

S p E:~ a k E:• r' , l.o~J E:! h a t; u not Ml\. CIII3ERT : . ---A supplementary, Mr. Speakur . No. II.S R 2l~2 B

MR. SPFAI<FR: A s 1.1 p p l (c' Ill (cHI 1.: 1:-lr' y ' L h 0 h () n . 1.: h (,~ member for Burgee - Bay d 1 Espoir. M r· . S p e d k (c~ r· , i f :i '\:. h:is jul":i.sd-.ict::ion, is sure that a~r Newfoundland will -Ls not: Llnd(o!l" the rnJ.nJ.stE!r SE'!I"V"i.C~~ 1':.0 not.: bE! downgraded 1f Air Canada ts he privatized? That is a point should be interested in! MR. SPEAKER: ThE:~ hon. thE:~ Mi.nister r r· a n s p o r· t a ·t:. :i. o n . MR. DOYLE : of Ml". ~3pf~a i«H', L'.i'H'! ho n . genU .

E:HiliHI can be asSUI"ed i.f anything like t. h <:·1 l h"' p p Eo! n s ·t. h ''' t t h <c~ Go v (~ r· n men t of NE:li~Jfoundland IAJ:i.ll be su.dfLly ITii'l k .i. n g I" r:! pI" to! s E:! n t . ''' t "i. on l.: h c F C:! de I" ;:·1 1 go v e r· I'II"IIE:! 11 L to E:' 11 s tH' E! that. I~ hat dues not h;:1ppon. r-~:~. GTLBE:RT : A f:inr.d. s uppJ.<,~rnont.cn·y, Ml" . SpE!akE!I" . MR. SPFAKF.R: A finr'l1 SllppJ.E:nnE~nbu·y, +.:he hon. the member for Burgee d 1 Espo.ir·. MR.

GILBERT: Bay I 1: seE:Hns to mE'! again to be a case o F lAJ h e I" E! t h E:~ y c J. o s c::~ t: h (o! q a L: e a f t E! r· the horse has escaped. Has the minister discussed with t:he Federal government the eFFect of pr·.ivmt.:i .za(:.:i.on on t.hr,' aLr·por·ts 'i.n, say, Gander, Deer Lake, and Str"!PhE!nVille, l:: he a:J.r·pol"l:s outs'i.! :le SL:. John 1 s? What Elf feet IAJil.l. ·.it hat)(' !? T i:-15 k has I: he n1 Ln'.'i. f>"i.:E!I" do11e any planning on that? Mf~. ~:5PEAI<FR: T hl~ hon. I·: he 0 i'" ·r r"1:11·1~> POl" La Lj or1. Ml~.

DOYI.F : liJe - hHtJ(~ "Tleen g:i.t)Cn r:-lSf)IJI"dl'lCC:!~; l·.hd( . 1..2429 May 30, 1988 Vol XL. there will be no downgrading of '1: h '~ s u I"

t) i c o , i::l n d , "' !> T. :i n d J c a t E! d to the member a moment ~go, if.and IAJ h e n L·. h 'i. f> h a p p E'! n s IAJ e IAI :i 11. b r:• making rElprE!sentation to (:·.hE:! F £::!dE:! r· c:\ l. go v o l" n mE:! n 1": on i. t: . MR. SPEAKER: T' hc,~ hon. th~~ ll'lE!rrlbE!r' for· EaglE! RiVE!r. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE:1BI", hE~ar! MR. 1-IISCOCI< : l"hdnk yo11, Ml". SpE:!a i<E!r'. My q u t:! s ·L·i.o n ·i s t.o 1.: he PI" r;!lrr:.L E'! , ... . Whco!n thE!

PI"E!rn:iE!I" I.~Jc:1s v:i. s:iti.ng Lhe c:Li.:;1:;" .. i.cl .. l.r:-tsi· Fc'1ll, ht:! pi"Oifl':i.!:; ed IAJi:'ll:E!I" and SE!IAJE!Y'Cl~JE! to thl'' people "' ore Cr:ll"t".IAJI" "i.qhl. i'll'ld r"lr'li''Y 1 S i·ldt'l:lOUI", tho Lab1"ador ~)l:n:d Ls cll"ea. T he l i s 1: 1 :; :; l :.i. l J. n o 1·.: p u b l.i. s h E'! d , b u L my question to the Premier, is IAJ 'i.ll. rnon<:!y bE:~ dllocr:·li"" .e d LhJ ~; YE'!dt ' for water and sewerage for the L:hl·'e<~ connnun'i.t. ·ies rrH:!ni':.i on(c'd? MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. thE! Pr'E!ITI'iE!r. f_R EM! E R __ P Ef._K FO !lil: Mr.

Speaker, I do not: think I prornjsed lAJi:~tE!Y' and SE!IAIE!r. I fn(!L IAJ:i l:.h a numbc~ r of counctls Ulc; ! rE! and tAJe d:.i.scussed somE:! of LhE'' p1··obl.E :Hns L:hE~Y had, f'!SpE:!c:iaJ1y :in Cartwrjghl:, in cornp1E:!t::Lng the:i.l" !.;yst~:!rn. It rn'ight hav<;• COlrlf'! up jn the discussion we had wiLh !':.he De v E'' J. o p 111 e n t () s f> u c j_ d 1·.: :i u n c::tll d 1·:. h ~:• counc:il :i.n R<,'d Bay. -l ·h('! hon. \He l'fl b 0 r' S d "i cl 'f h i:·1 cl p r·· U IWi. ~; C! d IAJi!l '1".: E! I" and setAJE:!I" Lo al.J Lhe comrnun:it .".:i.E:·s l

I) oi ~; ·:i_ l. (~ d i \'1 I_ h 1;• d I"(! i:-1 . '[ n C a I" tl~w ·.i. ~1 h L l. h E:! I" <O! 1.11 a s a cl i ~' c u s s ::i. o n .:-1 b o 11 1·. L h r~ r '"i. :> h u r-· 'J , t·. he I" e 1..u;:·1 s d d:i~'cuss :ion about on~~o:i.n~J jobs al:. !".he I'WIAJ duvn .. loprnent: l:hr::tl: . .. Ls qo ·i.nq No. 45 R2429

ahead thE!Y'e, and ther·c,~ IAJas 1:1 d:iscussion about another· phase oF WRter and sewer. In Red Bay ct nurnbE!I" of thtngs carnE! up, :including lour i.Sifl cHid SO Ol'l, i:<ll'ld f.in"ishtng l:hE! road Lo RE!d Bay, iAJI·l"i,c:h I.•.Jc:\~; 1-.·.ht:•n l.ll'lciOI" reconstruction, and conslruclion IAJ.i.l.l conl".'J.nuE! unt'i.J. -it i. ~; cornplr:'!tE!d, Wat:et" and SE!IAH:!I" rnight hc:·we cotne up ,:·d.: t:lv11.. IIH~ol'.·.ing. Th<·H'E! lAms no pr·orrd.SE! rncld~~. I was "i. n !ill<~ s t. S 1. . M o c:l (! s t o d n d :i. t n r:! 1.1 c,~ r· carne up.

I was in Fot" Leau cHid it.: I'WV<:•r' Cr.'illl(;~ up. l IAJdf) .. i.n l. 1 An~;(! r:·1 !. oup dnd L 1 An~H! au Clait" bind l do nol.: t:.l·dnk :i.l.: CdlllO 11p -Ln <:dther· of HlO~,~~ pJ r:tc~~s. MR. IHSCOCI< : In Mar· y 1 ~; 1·1 a r'l:w u r· . PREMIER PECKFORD: I am corning to Mary 1 s Harbour in a second. It. 1..11as r·a:isC::~d .in Car·t:tAJr.ighl-.: by LI · H~ J.ocal lE!adE!rs. I did not pr·ornisE! it. It IAJas raiSE!d J.n R~1d Bay and I did not promise it..

In Mary 1 s Har·bour·, Labr·ador, Llll'! had d discussion on mcHlY l:h:ings, and I IAJOuld no 1~. l.i. k €~ to pr· 'Lor· .i. z~~ onE:~ over the other, L~Jhether it be IAJi:tb:!r and S~:!I.•.H:~r or SOIIH~ otiH~I" IAJOl"k l.:o l:lr~ don~1 on l·:hc,1 cr·db plr:·1ni'. LhE!I"e :in Mary 1 s Harbour. It was not pr·ornJ.s(~d, b11t lAJ(~ l.j.:;t.enod L.o +:h!::! i.t" conc~:!t"ns r:~nd the:it" PI"OblE!TnS, i'.lnd ~; d ·.oi. cl 'i:l'lr:'l. ·I· lAI(! II)()~.~-, rl t:. d k (;!

L 1'1 (! lfl b d (. k wj l·: h u~; and r·c,w::Lc,11AJ l:.horn, and OblJ " i , OII~;"I,y l:.huy IAJOUl.d br~ pdi"i:". ore any Oll~jo:ittg d'.i.scu~:;s'.i.ons iAie iAJould h d v r:• IAI "i I: h i. h (! n ('! p "' ('+·.Ill(! n 1': 0 r Mun'.ic:i .pal Af'fr:cirs. I th:i.nk Lhe hon. rn~:!rnb<:!r' "i.s "i. ncor'r·c:!C L IAJh~:!n hE! says thaL I pt"orntsE!d somet:.htnq to l:'.h!:'!lfl. Ml~. SPEAKE I~ : The time For Oral Questions has E!Xp'.'i.r·r;!d. L.2430 May 30, 1988 Vol XL Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees MR. BUTT: Mr· . Sp~~aker.

MR . ~3PEAKFI~: T h~) hon. the M-i. n:Ls Lui" oF Cul.t·.ur'E!, Recreation and Youth. MR. BUTT : i"h<Y~n·k yo11, Yout" l·lonour . T 1..11 :i s h L: o l . .:-1 b l. C! t. he d n n 1.1 <:'A l. I" ~=! p o I" l:: of the Newfoundland and Labrador 't 0 I I+·. h () d l) "i, S 0 l" IJ C 0 I I n C ·oi,l, . '[ 1'1 cl 0 .i. 1'1 q SO, Mr·. SpE!akE!r, I IA.IOUJ.d just l':LkE! to t~~Jl. hon. rnemb~:~r·s in t:h() l·louSE! I recently met with those very intell:i.genl young poople down at Max S:irnrns Catnp for" thE! hand:icappr:~d.

Th~:!y hdV!::1 l:.aken on a Jot of nelAJ int U.atJ VE!S Lh::i.s YE!at'· and c:<II"E! :i.nvolv~~d ·i.n sotllC! pr·~::!t:ty serious d'iscussions, such as teenage pregnancy and .llllt:eracy p r• 0 b 1 E! ITI S i n y 0 U t h . T h E! y a I" E! ~::~stablishi.ng a nE!LIJ cotnmun'i.cat:ions link with govE:~rnment throuqh a coltlrnunicr:·1t::i .ons gt"oup tAt.i.l::hin l'.:hE! Advisory Counc:il, and they ar·e .:-1l.so notAl, Mr·.

Sp~:!<.,1k<:!Y', pub1-i.shinq and intE!ns'ifyJng tht::dr E!ffor"ts Jn ntak'i.ng i':h·:is nE~IAJSPifiPOI", The Troubadour, a l·:r·ue stJcce~:;s i!ll'lcl <:'t true voicE! of youth in I\JniAJfOiincll!:11'ld dl'lcl I. dbi"i:·1ciOI". T h i"tlJ n g J" ~! d I· p -1 u ''' ~; 1 .1 I" f~ ·i n 1·. a b l i n q Lhe report, Mr. Speaker. 0 .. Q~E~.ltQ!i.:._ ... .!.~.I!~EL~K§. : llor·,l", hodl"! Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given MR. TOBIN : M r· . ~3 p 1::! a I< E:1 r· . No. 4.5 R2430

MR. SPEAKF~R: Th~~ hor1. thE:! Min:ister of Soc:iaJ. ~3er'IJ.i.cos . r'll~. TOBTI\I : Mr•. ~ : ;pf~cli<EH', l:. h:is afl::ernoon thE! hon. c_:](:!l'l'i.l.E:HTii:Hl fi"OIIl ~3l.:. John 1 s East asked a question about t I" r:1 n ~; p o I" 1:. a 1-:. ·i o n 1:. o L h (;! H U B . l h d IJ e checkE!d IArit.h my colleagUE!, thE! M :i n l s L <-?. r· o f T r' a n s p o I" t c::t t: i.. o n , IAJ h o i s r E! s p o 1'1 s i b 1 e . I n t h E! J a s t f e IJJ y E:HH' s , M r· .

S p o c1. k e r , t he p r· o v ·i n c:i a 1 government 1s Department of T r a n s p o r· t: a t :i. o n h a s s p e n t L n c,1 x c e s s of $250,000 in that transportation systc,'lrl in t: hc,1 C:il::y, M1~. SpC:~ai<E!r. At this p;:a·ticulal~ point in timE!, a replacement for a HUB vehicle is on order, a vehicle which will onc(:! c:\ga.l.n be co~;(: ..... shar(~d by the federal and provincial governments. ~30ME 1-101\1. MFMB EI~S: H E~i:\1", hE:! a I"! Petitions Ml~. DECI<Fr~ : Jlllr'. ~>pE~akc-:11~. MR. SPt"AKER: ThE! hon. the member for the Strait of Br:1lll' Islo . t1K .. :..._Q E C I< E li : Mr.

Speaker, I have a petition FI"Orn about. 300 pl:Wpl.c'! h'Oiil Cr'OCjlH~ a n d S t . J u 1 i o n 1 s a r' e a . T h e p r a y E! r oF the,, pr:!t.ll::ion, Mr·. ~lpE~akE~r·, ·ts: "ThE:! undE!rsignE!d, your· P<'! t.::i. t. i.onE:!I"S, hu1nbly pl"c:-\Y and call. up o n t: h o H cw s E! of A s s E:' ITI b 1 y 1: o ··i. n s l·:. r' u c t !:. h c,~ De p a I" L rn H n l·:. u f CornrnunicaUons l:o makE! a~;s:J.stance atJa""i.labl.,;! to I"E:!s"i. denl ... \, OJ" cabll:! cornpdniE~s ~>o L:hat cablE:! t:c,11E:!V:i. ~ ;ion Ci'l.l'l bf'! dV<:-l-i. l;:-,b 'lr:! L·.o L:ht• l"o~; - i.r.leni ·. ~; oF Ci"OqlH~ c"lrtd Sl:..

Jul".i.E:!I'I' s . 1' JIIIR. ~3TMM~3 : 1 .• :>. 11.3 l \Jo 1 X I. r.IJR. DECI<Ef~: Obv:i.ously thlo1 hon . mE:!rnbel" :i s not ].""i.Sl:IHLi.ntA Lo l:ho pr'i.·\YOI" oF l:".he pEd:it:ion. I suggest, d ~ > soon cU> ·it. "is i·.dbJ.cd, hl;! rJul.·. a copy and Y'E!cld :ii:. and thE!n he! lAJ:ilJ bE:! ab.JH l.: o rnako <:·\1'1 'i. nl".o l l l qunl:: con1rnenl::s on tt, M1~. Speakc:!r. It wouJ.d be t'alhE~r· unusual fol" t:: hi:\1:. rno1nbE!Y' l::o make an intelligent cornrnent on anything. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, hE!ar! MR . MORGAN: Get 1Rornpkey 1 to do it . SOME HON. MEMB E I~S: Oh, oh! Mf~.

DAWE: ------That: pE!l:i.t:Jon ·.is out·: or· (ll"dC'!I" , r"'l~. ~3PE()KI:~I~: Ol" dC!i" I pl.f~d!){,1! MR. MORGAN: T 1·. ··i. S 0 U t 0 f 0 I" d E! r· , MR. DECI<ER : Mr·. Sp,~akfH··, as hon. rnolni:JE!r's IAJ:.i.J.J. know, most Newfoundlanders today h1:\ve acco~;s to cdb-IE:~ t. u1E:!v·.i~;.ion in Uds P1"ovj.1·1cE:!. OVE!r t:hE! la s l: co1.1pl.C::! of yof,\r'S l"..hE~ CJ"E~i:'ll: Nor·t.:hE'!Y'n PE!ninsuJ.a has bE!E:~n For·tunat.:E! onough t.o gHt. mo ~ ; t·:. of l:.hE• communities on that PeninsuJa accE:!SS 1-o ci:'ibl.E:! t.(~l.E:!v:lsion. It.

J.'=~ not: I1E!CE!SSar·y, I arn surE!, l:o te]1 h on . rn ('! rn be r' ~; "'b o 11 1:". !:: hE! E:! x c ·i. t-.·. erne n t. and thE! hopE• that JA!(:•nl:: along IAJ:i Lh l::h'~ :inst< :-\ll.at.:iun oi cabl.E• t::elov:ision on the Northorn Pen i. n ~> 1.1 J. a . 1'-11". ~ : )pHc\kor·, I>Jhun l . hr~ 1na j oJ"il..y ul Lhe corl'llllun:ittes and LOIAJn~; J"eCC::!iVE:!cl c <:·\ b l C! -1.: t:! ""I

r) IJ :i. s -:i on , L. h u i" e IJ,Jd ~; a l ~ :~ o i'l ~JI"E:!al":. deal oF d :isappo:inLrrJC!nl:. c7llllOI'l~J 1\Jo . ;p;

peoplE! who l:iVE! in a few of the smaller places where there are less than somE! fifty subscribE!rs, lE!S s than· f'i.fty hookups foJ·' cabl.(:~ tc-?.lE!Vis:ion. WheneVE!r a company goes -:i.nl-.o a !>mmll pl.ace Lo hook up, M1~. Speai<E!r', they have l~:!ar·nEH~ lhaL -Ll -Ls not.: vi. abl.c:~ Lo g · i~Jr:.• ! .. his Sei"Vjce un1c~SS lhE!I~E! i-H'e at ]E!aSt f -l f' t: y h 0 0 k l.l p s . CJ"oq110 and ~3L . .T11lion 1 s do nol·: have enough hookups to make this a v :L d b 1. C:! I) (;! n 'L I I r· ~:! . F d d ·i. (;! s c 0 I.J ~~ F r;\ !) t ovEH' on thE'!

WE:~st Coast oF ·thE'! 1\lOl"Lht:!l"l'l Pon·i.nSIIl.,:-1 I c;unnE!r'!:; COIJ(~ I ~~h'ip CovE~ cHid ~>hoa1 Cove::~ Edst: iH'l~! t:·\l.!>O tn l:he Sdlllf:! S"i l:.1.1i:·1l:ion. W h a t t h E~ p c~ o p l e ,:-1 r· c~ d s k ·i. n g f o r· ··i s :if t:h:i!> govel"I'Hnent could conw Lo !> UITH~ under· s I: a ncl·i. ng lAd 1·: h Uw CablE'! T E:! l E~ v t s J o n C o rn p a n y . F o r· E! x a ITl p 1 E'! , NHt•.JfoundTand and Labr·ado1" Hydr·o i.s ct Crown corporaLion. I know govE~I"I'lrrJ(:!nl: dot~S no!:: ~:!XC\Cl.:l.y t.:ell.

Uwm what to do, but I am sur'E! it IAJOI..IJ.d be in orciE!Y' if thC'! governme!nt could influenCE! Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro to lower the rate they charge for their poles in St. Jul.lan's, CroquE:~, Gunners Cover or l.o.JhE!rE!VE!r the case might be. [ f f.: h E! l'' E! i:: i,\ i 1 S i,1Jl:! S ·1':. H X a p p l. 'i C:! d l:. 0 companies seLLing up cable 1·:. ~'! J. e v -L s Jon could be t~JI.·1 i. ~J c,~ d or· i:011: 1eclsl:. I"C-?.ducE!d ::in plf.lCE!S ljkE! St.

J 1 1 l. i. c:t n 1 s u r· C r· u q 1 1 u , T d 1"11 :; u J" e ·i t would be cln ent-:i.cement for COIIIpdn-Lo!> 'i".o go Jn c:·1nd Sl'!l ·. 1.1p. l dl !>O tlnc:ler·~; Li:·1nd, T hi-11J('! lt:!dr·nod l ht··ou~JI ' I Lhe gJ"i:lPC'!-.. v'.in~:·, Ml". ~3pC:!i'lkel", anc:l T hcl{:l(• l r:-1111 not. IAJI"ong, Hltcl iF tl·,~:! M::Ln:i.~;t:r:!l" oF Con~;UIIl('!l" nrr.-l"i.J"S <Hid CorntJIUn'.icaL'.i.ons · (Mr·. l\u!;~;E!11) I.~J~:!r·~:! hHI"('! ht'! cot.Jld e i l:hel" conl:l"t.·lcl i c 1·· 1nn o I" b c:1 c k u p IAJ h a L :r am s a y i n g , b u L 1 t.lnclet"S Land l:h~:!r·~~ IAJas so1n(:!

"LitLl:!l"e~; l:: shown by the Depi:lrtrnent of L2432 May 30, 1988 Vol XI... Communications in this Province. There has been some interest shown in at least: making J. ·L possibl(! r.:o he1ve cable television made a V a i l a b 1 e t 0 t h E! p J. a C E! S IAI E! r E! t: h E! I" E' a I" (~ .1. e s ~; l:. h i:l n f i. F 1.: y fa 1 n .L l i. e s . T F l:: hi;\ l.: is Lht:! c i'1 ~; l'! I I IAJdl'l t: 1:.0 bE· among LhE! fii"St: to comrnE!nd this gover·nrnonL: I~UI" t;:~k .. i.ng th·.is action. If I am hearing somothing IAJh:i.ch :is nol: 1:h~~ ca~>C:!, I al~;o LIJiHtl·: to be among thE!

F:lr·st to !>UggE~st 1':. o '1-. h urn 1.: l'kt l: 1:. h H l" e ·1 s no l:-.l'd n g wrong with the Department.: of C 0 n S 1.1 J'fl E!

I'' () f' r i:·1 :i. r' !; c::t I ., cl Communications finding some way, e .1 1.: h u l" by i:-1 c:l·.i. 1" C:! c 1:. g I" ant u 1" , i:-l s I said, by g'iving NE:~IA.JfoundJ.and Hydi"O 1.: o rl r· o p t:. ho-i. r· I" ,,11. o f u I" 1: h (! pol. e s , or to do something with the reta'.i.l S d 1 (~ S L. c' X , lf l::hc;! [)('!Pdl"l.:rnHni: o( Consu1ner· Affclirs and Cornrnun'icat'.ion~> J.s not: a1l"nady do i.ng so1ne t·.h.:Lng, l:.h(!l'l I want to be arnong the first Lo suggE'!St l:.hoy shoul.cl 1lo sorn~:!t:.h·inq becauSE! people in St.

JuJ.ian 1 s and CroquE:~, wh~~r·~;;! th~>.r'c-?. ar·e 1E!SS thi;tn fifty fami1ies, I belieVE! d~~s(:TVE! access l.:o cable Lel.evision. PE!OplE! in EddiE!S COVE:1 East, Shoa1 Covco~ Edsl:: and ~3h·Jp Covu ciE:!SE!I"VE! accE:~ss to it ..

I hopE!, IArith Ute lAJay lE!Chno]o~J.Y j.!:; i 111 p r· Cllri. n g , 1.: h a ·1-. !Ad '1-. h .L n j u !> 1:. <''t f f~ IAJ years then it rnight well be viab1e f o r' c: ;,~ b l. e I: u ··1 e IJ ·i s :i. o n L u CJ o i. n IAJhE~l"E:~ l::hei"E! ar'E! less Lhetn fifl::y 1·1 o 1 1 s n h o l c:l s . fl1 1 I , ·i n Uw 1fl e a n t. · i. me , in t.hE~ inLel":irn, IAJh:i.JE:• IAI~'! c:tl"·e tlkdL ·ing FoJ" i"r;!t:hnoloqy l:.u C'"''h:h up, surel.y we can answer Lhis pn t:.·i 1 .. ·ion l.o I l·tt:! P~'!Op-1 t'.! Ln ~:; t· .. J1.1lian 1 s and CI"OqUE! and L~'!11 Lhe1n 611·. ler:-~~;1-.

J.:i.sten:ing IAJ"i 1 -, F .i n cl cornpan:iE:•s c.icc~:~ss to No. IJ.

I) l:.ho qovi:OI"I'llllent·. J.!:; ar1d !::hal·: Lhe ~~ovot"niTif'!nt S UITI(! IAJi:'l ':} 1 ... 0 d ~; ~; i. ~; i··. so LhosE! p~:·opl~:· ce1n !::his qreal:: service . I:: he have R243 2

I se~~ the M'in'ister· r·esponsiblE:1 for U·w S'l:.a tu s of Wcnne n -i. s node:! i ny lri. s hE!i~\d :1.11 c:~gi"~~~:!ITIE:'nt. I I:H~l:ir:w~~ I c:l.S H conc~'!l"n<'~d llr'Lni~;Lco11", ho cor·-L,·\inly lA I j J J L! s 0 h :l s :i. n f 1 u E! n C(c1 IAI h E!l'l L h :i 5 c 0111e s up bef o r'r:! C;~b i. n C'! ·l: .. :r: n c l o s :i 1 1 g , M 1" . S p E~ a k E:H' , I a rn pl er:~ ~; i'!d 'i-. 0 bC! e~bJ (! 1".0 ~; 1,1 ppo I" 1:'. t.h'.'i. S petition and I appeal to other 1n~:!1T1b ~:! l"S to l.i. k ~'!IAJ-i. \; ('! ~; 1.1 p p!) r· l'. ·1: h -:.i. \; pet:i.t:ion. Thank you I Ml". SpN.\kE:1r. MR_. _JJ.~Sii: Mr·.

Sp<:1akc:!r . MR. SPEAI<ER: The:1 hon . thc:1 rnernb~:!r' for· Bonc:~v:is t.cJI North. MR. I..USH: Mr·. ~3peai<Hr, tl·.: gi . IJe~; JTJ('! gr·~'!r:\L pJ easui"Cc! l:o s l:.and and suppOI"t. Lh(;! p('!·l::il .:"i.on so 1~bly pi"E:! \>entod by 1ny co11E~c\9UE! 1 thcc1 ITJ(!ITib~~l" fol" the:1 ~3L1"n-i.l'. of Rell.E! Tsle (~1r·. Df!Cker·) on bt::1haif of conr.titutE!I'l'l:s in his cl 'i. ~; l'. r· :i. c 1: . H-i. ~; c o n ~; t :i. t 1.1 e n I !) c·\ r· f;! looking rOI" the l":ighf. t:o have that v c:! r· y j 1 n p o r· t. d n t s e I" IJ ·i. 1: C:! of c r:-t b 1. o t.r:1lE:1v:.Lsion pl"ov:idE!d t.o Lhe:iJ" iH'O<:\.

Mr·. ~3pHr:li<1'!Y', '.'it "i.s onE~ thi.ng +:o ask for a service. It is one t.h"i.ng Lo pul "i.n H I"HC(Uf:!st: fo1" a service, but when people suggest h ntAJ i. t s h o uJ. d b C:! don~~ , T L hi n k , t h E! y S h 0 U J. d b e C 0 ITIITl E! n d E! d . T h E! S E! peopl.r:1 have suqgE!SLC::!d a couple oF methods whereby they can be provided with this servi.ce. I I,<.Jas sur·prj.sE!d by thE! cornlnl;!nt: of l:.hE! mernbE!Y' for· Bona1Jista South (Mr·. MOI"gan) suqg(;!st: ... i.ng l.:his t•.Jas not cO\ pi"ovincial rnatlE!Y'. Mr·. ~ ) p f:! a k \C! r· , lAW c:·\ ll. k n OIAJ *i.

L i. s no ·1... a p r o v :i n c :i. a 1 m C'.l L 1:. e I" , b u t. t h at d o r::! s no l:. 1nean Lh1:! qov('!l"nnlcn l:. bl.ll"':i.cs ·i.l.·.s head :in tl·1e sc~nd and do~~s not takE! L?. II. 3 3 Mr:•1 Y 3 () 1 1. 9 B 8 \Jo l. X I. an interest in seeing all the cornmun:'i.t'i.w> "i.n 1\Jc~wFol.lndl.and arr:1 p1novided IArit:h this S(o!r·v;i.cc;! and any o t h c r· !) (! r' \) .. i. c u s r t:! c:l o I" "''J.ly s u P P 1 ·.i ('' c1 or come under federal j 1 t r· ·i s rl ·i. c t '.'i. o n . Cc:!r" LaJnlyl .il:'. is the dut:y of thr::• gOIJ(!r''nlllfH1l: i.Hicl ·l.hH du Ly of· i'!Jl hon . mr::nnbE!r's to E!n~wr'E!

Lha L OUI" p(~opl.o leVE:1lS C:ll'' t~ of 1:: (~ l. e lJ 'i. !> i. o n , jurisdiction p I" 0 \) "i. d 1;! d IAI j_ 1:: h d J.l servi<:E!SI be thE!Y bu they prov"i.ncJal or federal j Llr"i!;dict·i.on. ProvinCE! should Cr::!r·t.a i.nly, t.h1;! be very concerned ab011t t:.h"i.S. ThE!Y should bE! conc(~rnE:1d about the n-1 b~ s . I IAJO nd (:! r' i.

F ITH~Ini:HH' s of L hE! government have ever off:i.cially undor·Lc:·\k(:!n 'l:o s~~c~, ·ful" exi·:,\ lnpl.e, whE!thE!r thE~ ra-l:E!S br::!:.i.ng chdl"ged by thr'!~>f'! 'i':(~l . (~V'i.~;il)l'l cablt:! conlpan·.iE!S dinE! fa'.ir· r·at.E!S, c\ncl lAJhE:•thel" Lht:! r'i:\l.:e ch1-1r·qod by l'IYcil"O For· Lhf:! u~:;r:• of lhEdr· ut:il'it:y polE!S :is a Fail" 1".:-\ 'L r:! .

J l:. h .. i. n k ·1". h "i. ~' ·i. !; on(~ we could J.ool< into or l·.hc! thing~; 'in L E~ r·rn s or- p 11'1·: '1. ·i. n g 1. c~ l. e v-i s ·i o n "i. n I: o ~; 111<-1ll. e t' cornrnunit'.ir:~s. cornrnunitJ.(•s IAJhich do n o '1: r· e "' c h 1: h (~ p o p ul i:\ L -L o n q u q t. a . This is certainly one t.uay by t.o~Jh:.i.ch ·i. 1'. c 01 1 ·.1 d b E:! cl o n t:! , J. o o k · i. 11 g .i n 1:·. o 1:: h E! r· atE! s H y d r o a Inc;! c 1·1 a I" 9 i 1'19 CI . I~;I:Olfll:'!I"S.

One COIIld f.incl OUl that rnaybe jt would not havu to be a \; u I:J s 1.: ant L "' 1. r· o d 1.1 c '1'. i o 1'1 t: o i::\ 11 OIAJ l:he company thE! mar·g::Ln of pr·of':.i.l: l':h(:!y IAJoul.c:l IAJant. l:·. o 91::!t: to qel inl:o thE!SE! arE!aS. I a ITI S U r· E• t h E! r E! a I" E! a 1 J. k ::i 1'1 d 0 f' Lh"i,ngs i·:ha l:: can be donE:! l.o pr·ovido l::elE!V:is·:i.on to s1na11(~r cornrnunitir::!S, par'l.: tc l.ll.al"l.y COifiiiiUn-Lt:io\; l•.Jh-lch aJ"Io) c\dj aCE!nt. I knot.-~J, fo1n E'Xa111p] E:!, in ~;cHilO di"C::!f'IS, ·i, F you l·.dke LtAIO co rnn 1 u n i l·: ·i r::· s c 1 o s E! tog E:! l.: hE:!

I" , on o co lrllflll n -[ 1. y l . d I" q C:! <'11'1 d 'l:. he o Hw r· cHH'! srna11, l:l·1e l:l.censr::! :is gJ"a ntod on 1\J o . 11. ")

the basis they go to the small community. Tl-wy s~:H'vir.:c;! t.:hE:1 big Oi'lE!, buL as a condition, thE! license is granted on the basis that they service the small cornrnun.ity. Thr:1 :ick!a bEdng, of cour·se, the lcH'9E!Y' unit t.~d.ll pay r; o r· t·: h -~ s rna 1. l E:! t' d , .. e a . T h E:! ~; ''! rrd. q 11 1-.: be things that we can look into. Cer·tainly, thE! notion or idE!a of asking Newfoundldnd Hydro dnrl NI':~IAJfoundland Light f.Htd PoWE!Y', fot" Lhal.: tnattcH', IAJhoc,1lJCH' i.t :i.s OIAJI'I~> t:hE! ut:il:it.y poles :i.n a pai"'l::i.culai" ;:·U"c~d, i:o look c:1i·. t"c~dt .

IC"i.ny Lhe p r· :i. c o :i ~; good , be c <:w s ~:~ I"~:~ i'.lll y :i t. . t. s of no CO!> l: to Lhent. T 1'. ·i !; gl"c~vy, bE:1Cc~US1'::1 the;! ut:i.J.it:y polc,1s d r' e 1.: h l'! r· c~ .:\ n d l ... h c:! y h.-., \J r~ l: o rncd ntain t·hern, evEHl if U1E:!rE:1 IAJE~r·c;! n c~ lJ e r· d n y cable 1". c .. 1 E:! lJ .. L ~; i on . I" h c;! Cdb] E! tE>.JE'!V:l.sJOI't dOE~S 1'10 [·: put any 9t"f:!c11'. -~xl:l"d ~;Lr·t·:!~;~; un Lhc,1 pole:!!> artd thE:! polcc'S al"lo! thE!re. If thE:! c d b 1. e n e v (! r' c a In,,. I L h u y r!l I" (;! i:·11,., ('! g 0 i 11 g t 0 l'lC:1 E! d thE! rn S 0 t1'1 1':' ITI 0 11 i E!

S N E! tAl f o u n d l. i:'t n cl li y d r· o g E'! L s F r· o tn t:lri s is just gravy, absolute gravy. So, as a rnE!r.Hts of providing S e I" V i C 1':1 t 0 U n cl E:! Y' p I" ·i. V i J. e g E! d p E:! 0 p 1. (~ , particularly with respect to t.el.C:1Vision sel"v:iCC:1s, cable television, in particular, this is an a r ~;:1 a t h 1':1 1n'i n :i. s L C'! I" co ul. cl 1. o o k :into. H C'! m·i. g h l.: b 0 S II r· p r• :i. S 0 d , j II~; 1·. b 1j loold.ng at that. mer.~SUI"E!, how many CUI'III'rtl . ll'l " i.-i:. · 'i,t~!; COII"f. rl bu pi"OlJ·i.dt:!d I~J i. l.h cabJ.E~ tE:!lov· .. i s'.i on l .. hr-ougjhout.

N e t•J F o 1.1 n cl J c'Hl d 1.11 ·i. L h 1:. h c'~\ t o rw l. ··i 1'. l: -r u COI'ICE!!)S'..i.on. l c:lo nol: knot~J ~~lh··•l'·. It OIAJ b U 'l. J d 0 k n OIAI C\ l .. l.ho OnE'' I" i:·\ 1:. (! ~; l. :i. ITIE~ i·\ t' C:'! l::hE!Y IAJ o !"' o r' i:\ l'. h C! i" C:! >c o r· b :-i. 1·. "' n I . r: b (! l · i c lJ u l. h E'! P u b J. ·i c U l. :i ] ·.} t.: :.i. o s 13 o d I" cl rn :i gj h L notAl cunl'.r·ul ·i 1.: :i.n ~>OifiC'! IAlay. T dttl ItO l COI"-l':i;l:in bu l'.: I do lnE!I'rJE:•rnbE:!r', F "i. l"·~:. · l:.

IAJhc:on l.hn cdb .. l e t-·.eJ f:!lJ "i s ·i.un company sLal"l.:C'!d ustng LhE:!SE'! po1E:!S, 1.211-34- May 30, 19B8 Vol. XL they quoted were rather the priCE!S ~~xor·bi. t:ant. CE!rtainly is a Mr. Speai<EH', that: noble suggesL:ion. I do not tAJant to sound likE! l arn b~,1l.abo L.l r· i. ng t: h(;! po·:.i. n l~ t:.o o rnu c h, but to me that is a very sign ·'i.F ..

Lcant. st.lqq(:!~;l:. -L on, one of l':ht:• best suggestions I have heard in a l. o r1 g L j , rn ~~ etl'l d i. 1·:. .i s c E! r l:: a :in 1 y t.uorthy of thE! goVE!rrHTIE!nt 1 s pr·obing just. l·.o S~:!f~ IAlhi.•\-1-: l·:hai'.: rrlf~dSUY'E! alone w:i.ll arnounl: to and just to s r:! e ·i. f the ofF so l: t:. ·i. n g of L hat. chai"~JI':1 could not ht::1lp the cablE'! cotnpdn "i ns l".o l'flO lJ f) ·i. n IAI i, l.: h 0 l.l L losing money . N o b o d y c;! x p E:! c t s c a b 1 E:! c o rn p a n :i o s l .. o 11101)(~ i.n ·i 0 i;H'(~d!'; ,.'lt'lci I.OSC:! iriCli'H'!Ij.

That ts not: ti'IE! idE!a oF '.iL, but: r::C:!i"Li·d.nly tAlC:!, <·1~> poli . l ·t . C'I.i"ln~;, tnu~;L bo concerned our people are pI" ()l) :i.e: I(! d IAJ "i. l: h i:·\ l J 0 F t ilf'! ~; l::! SE:!I"V'lCE!S, pal"t.'icU}Cll"ly l:h:i.c; ~; o r· lJ J c u o f c a b l u L (~ l. (;! v i. s -L o n a ~; IAJ e clrE! appl~oaching thE! 1990s. A11 oF o u r· p (~ o p l. ~:! L h r· o 1.1 g h o t J L o u r· P I" o v .i n c e naturally want to have that s~H·vJCC:1, a VEH'Y valuable servi.CE!, and particularly these people as .i. t co u 1. d bE~ v E'! r' y f:! d u c a l':. ion a 1 for' these people to receive bdev-L~d.on.

So I CEH'h:d.nly hopE! the minister will give the suqqt~s·l·. " i.on t:he SE:!t':l.OIJS consideratJ.on it warrants. Mr·. Sp(~i:\kPt", I St.lppol"l:. l:.h~:! pr'dYt'!r' of l':hE! pet-.:i.t:j.on E~nd cE•r'tdinJ,y hope 1·: h l;! tfl"i. n i. s '1. C:! I" ,., .. i. 11. i. n lJ C:! s L .i. q a I H l:: h o lnE:'CJU(;!st r.~rtd the sugjgE:!St.:ion rnaciP by I·. h e h o n . n 1 n 1 n b e I" 1 s c o n s 1·. :i. 1·: u e n 1. ~; . Thank you . MR. SIMMQ: r"'t" . ~:;por:-~i<ul" . Mi~ . :3PEAKFR : ThE! h on . L i·t E~ Pl"es:idenL of L hr;! Cuu n ci.l. No. I.J.5 R24-34-

MR. SIMMS: Mr·, Spcc~dkC::~In, T l~ri . l.J. j 1.1 s L h a IJ e a lrr· -.:i. (o!·f IAJO I" cl 0 1'1 t h j_ S . I be1:iE~V(:! th0.~ m i. n i s L e I" . d · i d , ·i n I" o s p on !; ~~ o n dno-t-IH!I" ocCi'.I.S:ion t~o sorne oLhE!I" type! of r·(:! pr'lc)Scnl :.d·l·.·"i.un Fr'olfl Lhr.:! rri(~ nii:HH' f- 0 I" Tt~,J:i] 1 t 1'1 gab:! ( 1'-11" , W.

C"tl"t.C!I"), T bol-:i f:!IJC!, on ;:·\ s -i. lrr i.l<'l l" t. o p :i c , I t· h ·.i n k h ~=! :i n cl :i c i:-1 t.E:~ d h o lAJ a :,; !> y 1 n p d 1 .. h u 1.. i c i. n h .. i :; p o s J. t ··i. o n ,,, !; M :i r i'.i s t tH' o f C o n s u me r A f f m i r· s a n d Cunmlurd.c<:\1-·.:i.ons. On bohd l.f of the govc,~I"I'IIWHlt, I tArill rC::~fer the p e 1~. t L .i u n or· 1-·. h (~ c a!> c-:~ pI" c~ son t·. (~ d by the hon. merni:Ho!l" Lo thE! M:in:istE!r of Cons u 1r1 E! r' A f r· a L r· s ( M r· . You n

q) and ask h:i.rn :.i.f LherE! :ls anything that h~::~ can do. Might I s u g g r::! s 1:: a l. so t:·. h r· o ugh , maybe the member might want to t·.dke l:~h<:! -.init.ial:i .ue lritnS\'!lf, .. Ln addition to presenting the pC'! t·:.:i.l~.:io n, t:.o IAJr' i.-1:.<,~ l.~h(:! M·.i. n i.s 1-.\:!r' responsible for Hydro (Mr. W "i n d s or· ) p c:! 1" h d p s and p u t: For · L h I . h (~ qiJest:ion you askE!d l"hetor·ically in y 0 u In p r· (! s H n '1.·. i'\ t. i. 0 n i:\ b u 1.1 L (,·\ reduction of the pole attachment p r' :l c (c~ s ' M a \j be ·i. f \j

l) II IAJr' () 1 .~ (;! t:. h (c' Minister responsible for 1\lc.~wfoLindl.dnd anrl i_,:,lbJ"c\c:lol" Hyd,"O, <:1t. ](:!dSt you tAJOuJ.d g(~t. a r·espons(:! -i. n w I" i. 1.: -i. n g 1.: o s t:! ~:! '~~ I·H:! 1-. h r~ r' o ,.. n o l. l hc:d. is febts:ible. It ls f.l suggosl-.i.on. 'f.n l·:.h(~ 111\'!drlL-:i.lfiC!, [ IAI-i.l]. i:.dke l".h\:! I"E!J:li"E'S<,~nt .e::t tion and E!I'ISUI"E' !:hc1t thE~ M i.n:i.~; l·.r:!r' of Cun~;l.lrTlOr' Aff.iiljr·s dnci Commun:i.calions ~~Ed~:s :it. I gUE!

SS t-:. h a !:-. i. s l.•.J h <'! l" c,~ l:. he C 1 ('! r· k , T IAJO ul. d i:lSSUITIE!, IAIOUJ.d r'E!fer ti·H~ peti .ti.o n l-.:o l:he rni.n-.ist.t::!r' ·:i.n any uvr::!n-1-:. i:-lnd he tAJo u 1 d e v E! n t u a J. 1 y r r:! s p o n d . lJ s u a 11 y "i. t i. s !:-. o 1:. h e F ·i. r· s l~. n c:'t rn t:'! o n thE! peULion, IAJh :ich rni'ly I just men t. ·ion r.l !> an as oi. cl (-?. , I h c:•\ u o l:-. o b (~ caJ"E!fuJ hoiAJ I Sd y t:hJs l:)c•cauSE! l do nol~. tAJant. t~o qt~J('! t.h<'! ili'IJ:ll"l'!! :;~; Lon I have any problem w:ith the people fr'OIJI Cr·oque, ~:)l:~.

Jul "i. r::!n'~; and t. h o s (:~ o l:. hE! I" p 1 acE! s ma kin ~J cl 1... :?,II. 3 ~i !\1dy 30, 1.91l!l lJ o J X I. pr·e s e nta tio n on their own behaJ.f I~J:"i. L h (' E! !) p C:! c t l.~o d pr·oblE!IIl they haVE!, S u J" c,~ 1 y i l:. J s t h E! r (:~ s p o n s :i. b :i 1 i. t y o F rnr::!rnbE!l"S of Uw Hotl•>r'! Lo onsLJI"l'! -LI·. ts properly dono. I know it is r.ln 0 l d i s ~:; l.l ::! l AJ(~ rl H b i•\ I. C! d i'll'l ( I rl (' I:J i"l l.: (' d and gr::•n(:!r·a].Jy ~>PE!ak:inq t~JE! h <:'IVE' ;·., 1 r· ('! 1'\ d y <'\ g I'· u r:! cl 1··. o d c c ~:! p l:. i'l ·1 m o s L ~~nyth:ing that comes :in.

But h d IJ ·i. ng b ('! ~:! n h u 1" o f u I" n -L 1'1 1:! y r:~ r:'l r• s and tAJatch:ing sorm:l for·rncd pEd::it1.ons come:! ·foJ"I~Ji:H'd, pi"OFH:!r·l. y put together lAiith the assistance of 1-.: h '~ 1 n f:! rn b (:! I" d n d s o o n , .i. 1-:. s ornE'! l~. ·i.1 n r::! s Js a bit ilnr:LtatE!, I suppose, to !>ot,~ t·:.h(,~ acf:.1.1al pc;!t.il:.ion, t:hrc! proper petition the han. member p r' !':' s E! n t t;! d , .l s r' E:~ <Y~ J.l y t h :i. s f. -.i r· s t:·. pagE!, and that is a pE!U .tion frorn John Effor •d , Br:~;:-l l.·o n full<, an d ChrJs Decker.

I think that is sl:r·~:!l~.ch-Lng i.t~ all d l.·.it:-.!~~l.e l.·.·.i ny b:it. I think thE! pE!I·:it:.ion, c:~nd 1 "''n rnak"i.ng ,., gen<'!t'al obs<:!l"tJ<.·\L ·i.on -- MR. TULK: , __ , ____ _ Mr. Speaker, a point of order . MR. SPEAKER: _., ______ _ Or·der·, plo;'l~ ;o ! (\ po · -Lnl~ or or·der', l ~ h~) hon. t·:. h ~:· m(~mber for· Fogo. MR ._l ULl< : f i"·\10 1'10 I. go -i nq 1.0 IAk\ S i.·.e l:hU hOI'l . gentleman's time, but th-.is p f:! l ... i. t. i. o n d i. c:l c u 111 e ·F I" u rn t. I·H:! p e o p 1 ('! :in thE! rn<:!rnboln'~; d:isLI":ict . In U I" c:J U I" 1 ·.~ 0 g U l·.: l:. h \'! i. I" U 0 i.

C e b H f' 0 I" E! l:h:i s Legis1atur' E!, thr'E!E! of us fcJ.t. i. L L•.J r:~ s n e c '~ s s a r· y , a s l:~ h E:! r· E:! h a ~; beE!I1 a r·uLi.ng about l:Jw pr·ayer o·f FH'! L i. t:. .i. on s , lAH~ F u lt:-. :.i. t-. lAJi::l s nece ssary to put:. it there . ~)o ]E!t us not have any j ,nferenCE!S i'lbou ·i·.~ anyt:-.h -i.ng el.~>E~ i:\t dl.l. Mr~. :3IMMS: M-~~ · ~-- -~~)-F>e -a l< ('! I" . 1\Jo. 11-r:i 1~21J.3 ~)

MR. SPEAKER: To tha 1~. po 'i.nt of or·dE!r', L:ho hon . Lh~~ Pr·~:!S i.d~:!nL: of Lh(,~ CouncJ.l.. MR. SIMMf3 : I am not inferring anything at all, Ml". SpE~i'li<EH'. MR . TULI< : Yes, you arE!. MR. SPEAKER: To Uli:>~ L p o i. n t of or· do I'' , l::i'w r· o i. s no point of order. The;! han . the President of t. hE! Counc i.l.. Ml~. ~3TMMS : Of colH'Sl"!, thE!r'e :is not, Mr·. ~:; p t:! d k c:! I" , :it. ..i s d g E! n 1.1 j. n n con c l:! I" n [ l·1c:.tve i:ls m rnE:!ITibE:~I" of t:hE:! House;!. I I: h ·i. n k lrl (! 1 fl b f.! I" ~; h i·l

I) l ~ 1.: h 0 I''PSpOI'JS:i.bjJ:i.ty to I'I(;!J.j:J LI'IE!:i.r· c o n s I. ·i. t: 1.1 u n 1··. ~; <'! n cl l>~J o r· k IAri i · h 1". h t·:! 'i. r· con~; l:·:i tuE:!I'It:s to pi"E~sE:!nt pC::! l:::i t:i.ons p I" 0 p 0 r· l. y . T h r'lt: -:i. S d ll l d 111 say:ing. I do not l:hinl< t:hei"E! :i.s i'lnyl::hi.ng lAJr•ong lAJ.i.Lh thi'lt. 1 aJ.rE!ady ~>r'E!faced my r·ernal"ks by ~;a y .i. n g I h a v c::1 no pI" o b l. ern lAri. l: h t: h H right to do it or anything. If we are going to do it, then ll':!t. us do it pr·operly. If IAJe are not going Lo do .i.t. pr·op(c1r·ly, LhE!n lAJE! should not do it. The:~ hon.

HJ(c~mb~:!r' should nul bt:! OVE~r anx:i.ous. HE! :is OVE!r anxious. l-IE! IAJa s a n x ·i u u s t. o g l'! l:. u p L o d a y a n d ~;pc;!ak on a po:.LnL of or·del", therE:! lJJas no nt,:•r::.c! l::o do t-.·.hdi:. rJJ I" ' s p r:!

c) k 0 r· I T IAJ ·i 1 J. I "' s T s "' .i. cl I t:r..tkE:! t.:hl:' I'''E!FJI"O~>E:!nl'.cll:.ion and pa.ss ·i L. on l:u UH'' r'l"i.rri ~; l.:ur· or Con~>IIIIIHI'' A f fa j I"~·; , b u t··. I IAIO u l d a 1 ~' o s u ~~ ~J ~=! s l:: L h i't 1'. U·w Ill('! 1n b C! r· h ·i lfl ~; c I. F 1n-i. g h L IAJ i ~; h to IAJI"'.i 'l".E:! l-I·IE'! MJ.noi ~; l:. f'!l" J'·o~;pon~;:iblE:! f () r· H y clr· o d n cl :; c• e '"J h ···1 l.: I" u ~; p o 1'1 s ~~ h e Cj f:! '!". S l:. () 1-: h d t ~; p (:! C j f J. C I" ~;! C:l U E~ S t . L24·36 Mrily 30, 1.90/l Vol.

XL I bE!liE!Ve I heard these pE!Ople on CBC, sonHc~body fr·o1n Gunnr:H'S Cove,~ - MR. DECI<ER: 1\lo, t:.ha t: lAli:>~s not. Gu nnt:! I" s Cove. MR. SIMMS: 011, that lJ.Jas anothE!r onE!. AnyiAJay, t:.hey IAH~I"C:'! ti'•llking abo11t a s·irrrili:'lr' problE!rn and I beJ.:iE!VE! onE! of thE! r·~:!spons~'!S llli:td(~ by somebody responsible for cabJ.e teJ.evision, or· $ o rrll::~ body t1J h o OIAJ 1"1 ~~ d l:: I·H~ c i:\ b 1 E! telE!Vision business, rnE!ntjonE!d thE! f ,~ c '1:·. 1.: h d t t h C'! r· (! a I" r:~ l J t ~~ r· <:·\ ll y 100 cornrnun:i.t:ios ar·ound 1-:hE!

Pl"ovJ.ncE! '"ri.l:h 1".he Sr'\ltle !ci.nd oF p1"0blu1n and doifficulty, and I glH~ss fi"Oi'TI tl1o::i.1" p C:! r· s p o c i: ·i tJ ~-~ i. L: ·.is IAJ h o L. hE:! I" or· no 1: J.t j .s prof:it:ablE! to do :i.t: and l:hi.'it k·i.ncl of L·.h·i.ng. nnytAkly, f.l[r·. ~)pl:!.•lknr·, T IAri l "l. llldke SUI"E! l:hE! r·E:!pl"lc~SE'!I'll:al::ion oi. s rni'lcle l:.o IJH:! 1fl"i.n i :; Lt·:!r' . AI\J 1-101\J. MEMBER ; You wiJ.l also write thern, will you no 1..? ~,B_._S_IMMS: I ht'lvr:~ askr::!d hirn t·:o I.•Jr·Jt:·.e. Il:: .is his responsibility as the rnernber for· t h li:1 iH' ~'!a .

I IAJO ul d s u g g E! s l:. h r:1 do that. AN HON. MEMBER: -~··-~---·--·------~- It i.s up l·:o t:hr:! gov<"!l"l'll'n~~n l: nolAJ . MR. SIMM~1 : -------1 sai.d T Mi.ntster IAI 0 1.1 l d p d S S of ConsurnE:!r i.l ... on Lu Affa::i.I"S '1:. h ~=! fOI" L. h r~ I: h r~ o F f t c i ''' l r· r,:• p r· n ~; E'' n 1:·. i:'t [·· .:i. on frorn government:: on LhJs ~ssue. I'll 1 i. , ,_.~r'i. I: h r· C:! s p ('! c t I. o 1·: h n '~' s ·.i cl e Jssue well not aslde issue, p r·· o b db l y p ('! r· I ·i. n C:! n 1.: -j s s u o , I" H l. ;:·1 'L: <'' d issue - 1 suggest.

Lhe rnember write \. h (! 11-i'i. n ·i ~; t·. n r' I"(! :; p o n s ·i b ·1 1:! F o r·· i ·I y d I'' o . AI\J HOI\J. MEM11EI~: ~···-·- .. ~·-- .. --··~·--- .. ··~ ... --·-·-·-·--· . -Why cdn you not do LhaL? No. '1·5

MR. SIMMS: You F t~~ l. l. o tAl s o v <;! r· 1: h t:! t' c,~ secrc,~t:ar·'i~~s and t ypE!tAir·:i.ter·s t~ver·yth t ng - J. .i. kt:! l.: hd ·l:. B.~- H Or-L_ _M F /':1]_f:;,B.. : hc:\V (~ and Thdl·. tnean~; yu11 dl"t:! nul: r_:]o 'i. ny l::o do C~nyt:h:i ng i:~bout: 'i t. Orders of the Day Ml~. STI"-1M§: Wt:~ tAI:i11 conl: :ltJUe I'JOIAJ t.~.J:.Lth debat. E:' on Or'ri<;!r' 1.1.~ R"i. l l 1\Jo. '7 1 11 ()n ()c ·i·. To ArnE:Hld The,~ Schools Act. 1 f'-1R. SPFAI<ER: Bill 7, Or·dE!t' 11 . The hen. the member For Menihek . r:1JL.. . .£J.Nl'il.f!<:. : M r .

Speaker · , I lAid s q u 1. 1:: ''! p 1 t,~ c\ s <'! d on Thursday, tAihen I originaJ ly ~;tar· ted my COII11THH1 Ls on Urts I that I had t en minute s left today. B<.;!cau~;c:~, dS you I< notAl, ovr:!r' tho weekend our party had its biennial convent.:i.on l.'lnd d 'l·. +:.h"\1.: coniJE!nt:i.on t."H'~ d E~ ba t E!CJ t he who 1 E! q u e s t: i o n o f s c h o o l b o r:'l r· rl o r· g a n :i 7. d 1: i. o n , +: h ~~ tAk\ y in w~rich otJr ' E:H~ucat:ionaJ. SE!rvices s h o 1 t 1. d b 1 ,~ rl o l. ··i. v (;! r· o d d n rl s o o n , c:·\ n c:l T i~rn hi-.tppy t.o Si:.!Y t.hc:xt. thE'!

CUJJltJIE:!I'll ~' T tAl<'~~> llii:'\k ·i. ny on li'IIII"Scidy dl"(.;! I'IOIAI t: IH~ off :i cidl po] ·.icy of thE:• pI" o lJ i. n c -i .d. 1\lf:•IAI D E!IJIO cr· ·~·\ L i. c P •H' t. y . Mr . Speaker, J hctve provid e d a copy or UlC!III hcH'(;!

For· c:\l'lY IIIC!III!:l(!i"S or thE~ I-IOUS(o! lAihO rTli'..tY IAJ:'i. ~;h t.o haVE! 1: h f ! 1r1 I b C! c au~' o r: t. h .. i. n k i l.. :t :> v C:! r· y .i.rnpol" t ant t.hat l:.hts df:!batE! a c 1:: u d l 1. y c u n 1:: ·i. n 11 e u n bE'! hAlf'! on a 1. 1. parties in the Province so that we can concc,!nt:r'dl :: cc! on Lhe pr·obJ.,~ JJu; .i. n OLII " c~~ducational sysl·:.E!ITI. M I" . S p E! a I< E! I" , I tAli 11 t a b J E' cl n u rn b e r of copi.r: :!S h r: :!l " f~ Few i:HIY i'TH'!IIlber·s t).Jho rnCly IAL.i.sh Lo have t.:hE!TIII bul: I 1Aii11 l"f~i.~d Jt .into t:hr:'! I"C::!COr'd dS !).Jell.

L24-37 May 30, 1988 Vol XL Here is the ddopted, by unanjrnously. flr'

C) b i:•\ b l. Y lAid S l"esolution tJJhich tJJas t:IH' rJJay, clo s E! IJJ I bE:~l'.i.E!VE! . Jt l.ll'l i:\l'l ··j lfiOII S . MfL LONG : MR. I"ENWJCI< : T c i.·\ n n o l: r· r:~ c <:·\ J. l . It :is ~:lCIIOOI hc~~aded, 11 Dl.IPUCATION ~l'( ~n H.JI 11 . r t. s ,., y s : IN THE

WHEREAS the studt~ nL population of 011r' school sysl .nlll hc\s clf!Ct'f'!c:,,~;r:'CJ by over 10 per cent in the la s t dC:!C"lde .. thi:\i:l by l..hr~ lAidY 1 df::!~;p ·i[:.E:! the introduction of Gr·adE! XII and

WHEREAS the pr· ojE!C:ted jncr·ea s e in L:he sl··. udE'!I'lt population for · t:he next decade is another 30 per cent -· going fi"OITI about. 11.~0~000 cl ot)m to approximately 1001000 by 1996 - and

WHEREAS the re s ources of the P r· o v '1. n c e c·\ r· o s 1.: l" (! I· c h f'! d t: o p r· o v ·:i. cl e an adE!quatE! education for our· s 1:1.1 dE:! n L·. s a 1: 1:. o d ,:-, y 1 s ·1 o v C:! '1. s ; and ~~i · IERI::: A:-) Lh(! Pl"(~~;t-:!nl:: clupJ."i.c;:~L: "i. on .in our· schoo1 systE!Tn i s cosl:ing 111-i.l"l. i.OI'lS OF' dol.J.dr ' ~> E~dCh yC::!dY' and that j_ ~ ; a 111ai:Ler· of dE~baL (' !, b11l: ·it Ct'!t'l:., ·\i. n-l.y i~:; "in l · : h1: ~ m:l11Jons _ .. and WHEI\EA~3 cornb:in·:i.nsJ ~;chool~; in i:'li"E!dS IAJhC!I" O dup1 -icdl .-ion ::! x ·i s l. s IAJ'i.Jl 'increase the educal.::ional oppOI" t:l.ll'l i. 1.·i.~:~s i'·\Vd 'i. l.r::tbl< '! FcJr' a 1 1 s t: u dE! n t s ; a n'd

WHEREAS the present system greatly l.i.1n:'i.l .: ~> rnuch n c!E'!d:.:·d l"(~l.ig i. ous dncl ethnic diversity of exposure enabling students to be t l::er cope tAJ:it:h modern society j.n Canad; ;, ancl N o J" 1·: h A ITI ('! r· .i c ; :~ i. n g tc> n <;! I" a 1 ; TIIFI'~EFOI~E cr l:.hi''tl: No. 4.s R24·37

duplication in our' e d 1.1 c r1 I. :i. on-" 1 eliminated as a ;:-1 n cl system shall be mr:<l. h:r· of po l ·-L c y ; IlL r:T FURrHr::r~ I~E~:;o L VFD t::h(·1l. IAJht:!I"E:! the choice is between two ~;ubs l:.andr.u·d s chool.s or· tHH:! cormnon ~;chooJ. that can accoiTmlodatc;! all ~; t: u cl E'! n l: s .i. n only option shall b~:! the l: h E:! a r· t'! a , '1:: h a t-.: t h <'! funded by government common school; and BE IT FURTHI~r~ RESOLVED that, in t.hr.:~se common schools, the various religious denominat i ons t~ t ll pi"OV.idE! l:.hE!i.r OWrt I"E!l"igious :i.ns tr·ucl: .i.on.

M r· ' ~; FH~ "' k E! r· I 1-.: h (:\1.: IAk\ s d d 0 p 1·. (! d c7\ 1". o u I" con v E! rd .. i. on j us t t.IAJO days r.\ ~~ o , iHld rJOIAI r'E~Flr'E:!St!nl..s OLII" pos ·i.t--i.on dS i:1 p a r· t. y iHI d :l s o n E:! , o F c o u I" s E~ , ~:. --L n c. o r h ,:-, () e b o '''! n ~; p o •'~ k :·i. n g 1.. t) 1. he i~;suE:! Fol" tl·1e last-.: couplE~ of I~JI"!tc!kS, t:I'Jdi: r: hr'II.Je d II"BIIIHndoll!; dllJOLII'It: of (;(JI"lCC~!I"n i.'lbout·.

Jt: SE:~E'!mS l.:o JIIC:!, g'i.IJEHI Lhe ~d . l·.u;•\l.·ions l!Jh 'i. ch di"E~ out] :j nE!d hE:!r'E.', cHid Lhe1"e al"(;! ol·.:her· cH'tjlllliE!I'll .. s UJI.'\1.: COIIld bn llkH:Ic,~ to :it, that WE! as r:~ Pr·ov:i nee must s+·.1:1r'l.: 111c:-1k:i.ng su1nc;! vor·y p<:1.'i.nf11l. dE:!C:i.!dons abouL the fuLUI"E! of our oducr:\ti.onal. systc;!lll. Tho rdr:L, r"'r·.

Speaker, that the Department of Ed u c cd: .i. o 11 and t h i. s go v c-:1 r nrnE~ 11 1:: 1·1 <'l v '~ failE~d to E!VE!n acknoiAJlE!dge the cl<;!p l::h of thE:! pr·ob1 on1 and, thE!r·efor'E!, have donE:! nothJng, is a p 01 :iCy 0 p 1:: "i. 0 n l.: h Fl t. IAIH art;! curi"E!ntly tak:ing; :it: is sornE!Li.rnE!S cliFF i.cu-1 t. l:o unci<'!I"S t·.;;tnd, but. do i.nq r1othtng is soniE!l~.irnc;!s a courSE! of c1ct:.:ion t·:.h1:-1+·. yo11 can l··.dk<~. r n t. h i. ~> s i.

I: 1.1 d 1:. ·i. o n , M r· . ~:; p H a k u r· , t·.hE~ $20 r11:ill:ion IAJE! sp<'!l'ld E!r.tch y<~H'.ll" IAI"i. 'I l. c u n L "i. n 1.1 C:! 1-: o b t:! ~; p "1. .. , 1:: i 1·1 1 .. o Vctl":ious ~JI"OIJp-.ir1gs .... foul" d:ifF<'!I"E:!nt. gJ"Ul . lp~; al: l:h · i~; poin L I;Jh · i,~h l"f'>CE.>.iuo fJdl"l of tl'l<" Cdp·J.t·.a.i c!) n ~; t I" 1.1 c 1-. ·i.

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C) o u t i'trJd bu-.i.1d '1-:hE:!:i.l" OIAII'I s chooJ~; IAJ"i L h 1.: l·w -i_ r' OIAII'l (I 0 g I"(!(! () r 1...24-38 May 30, 1988 Vol. XL -i.nc:lepe:~ndonct~, co-ord:l11ation ,:·1 l'l d IAI"i. t. h (~1 with the~ l.iitck of othE!I" cl <'~ n o rwi. n ,:1 1:. :i. o n :; <.·\ n d , <-1 ~> .:.\ I" e ~; 1.1 l. t .. t)J e g E! t 1 E! 5 S S C h 0 01 f 0 r 0 U r• ITIO n E~ y . L'll E! c d n p t~ r· p e l .. u a L (~ L h (~ cl 1.1 pl. oi. c a 1:.

J. o n 6t n cl IAJE• EHid up wi.t:h a s:it:uat:i.on :in IAJ h :i c h o u r· ~; t 1.1 d n n i". ~; , o u J" c h -L 1. d r· E'! n , are bei.ng deni.ed the preparation t:h<::!y nef:!d l.:o c,,x:i~;t-. in l::he TIAIE!ntiE!th and the TIAJE!n t..y-... F :l.I"S L C o n L u r· i. H s , a n d IAI 1::~ i:'l r' t:! d o .i n q ·i t: J. n it name of a denominati.onal system th8L clearly needs major modifi.cation. We ar·e not: s u g g ~~ s 1.: i. n g , M (' . 5 p e a k e r· , t: h 1:1 t t~ h i. s is thE! E!nd of thE! d<'!norninat:ional. S y ~; 1:\~ I f1 , ltJ h i:'l -1:. 'i. i:. I S I.

S i:'l l'l f:'IAI J E! \) (! 1. and a new format into whi.ch :it IAJ'i.]l. hdiJ(! t-.:o go. Th;:-\1: For'lll<"tt. i.s necessary if we are to avoi.d a d II p 1. ··i. C i'1 I: ·i. 0 n 1~1 h ·j C h "i. S V i'·\ r' -i_ 0 U S J. y esl::J .matE:!d by l::hc;! OE:!par·tmE:!nl:: oF F:: d 1.1 c i'\ ·1. ·i.

l) II 1.1) b (! ·j II i..lll:! I'' i'lll (~ (! 0 F about !~10 mJ.l]Jon Ol" $20 rn .:il.lion, l () l. h C! ~.j l (l I !) r:o ~; t ·j llli''l ·I E:! () r i'l b 01.1 L-. 2 ~) per cent, whi.ch, by current-.: t:!SI"i.llldh:!S, IAJOU1c:l bo ~)UIIH:!'I-:.h · i.ng cJ.ose to $90 miJ.l:i.on. I would suggE:!sL pE~I"haps Lhe 't:I"Ui:h -:i. S S 0 If If~ I~J h (! I" c;! b r:!i~ lAIC:! E'! 1'1 1·: h (l S (;! l:.IAJ () number·s and, quitE! fr·ankly, thE! f d c 1-.: 1'. h a 1-. \)Je d

I) no t. 1·1 i:'l v r:! definitive numbers from the MJnist~~r· of Educa'l: . .ion 1.s pr·obably another indication of a J.ack of ln-.itiat-.:ive by !:.his government in defi.ni.ng the poli.cy opti.ons that we hdve l:.o Fol.J.ow i.n ~he future. r"l r· . ~:; p ~:! a k r:! r· , IAI ~:! p u t:: o u I" ~; E:! 1 v <:'! s clearly on the record. We have s .:-1 :-i cl IAI h C:'t t lA I o be l. -.:i. C! v n 'i. n . L'\J ~:! h a v E! S a i cl t h E! cJ :i I" (;! C t :i 0 n IJ.J E:! IAJ j S h l: 0 S ('! (! l.he c:oducdi. ·i.ondl sy~; l::t:.ln mour:• .in Lhe FuLUI"E!; IAIE' bE:!J.it::!VE:! J.l:. j~:; onE!

IAJhich 1~1 i.1. 1. rno I" C! d p p r· o p r· i a 1··. <:! l y accornrnodat:E:! OUI" neE!dS c\nd, oi.n LhE• 1onq 1"111'1, IAJ"i .l1 b<o! i:hH l)I 'J(! IAJh··i_ ch tAJ-:i11 be .:in L. he bE:'sl.: " i r Jl:E!I"e~; t of (·\ -, -,

I) r II <; I n 0 L: () n l y ()I II"' I" t'! 1. "1. q I. I) \.1 ~; cl <''! r 1 o 111:1. n a t :1. o n s b u l:. a ·1 s o o 1.11" ch ·i. "l. dl"::!ll, IAJho di"C', ub1Ji 011~:; " 1 y, t:hr:• No. 45 1~24· 38

highest priori~y in our school system. So hav i.ng. _ sa·i.d t.hat: I I tAd 11 sit dotAJn and c OITtrnC! n 1:. L h a 1.: lrt"l g h 1:. other members jn this ~30MF: 1·101\J. MFriJBFI~~) : II E! iH' , h C.;! ell" ! ~1R. ~3IMMS: Mr. Sp~:!;;1 i<EH' I IJJE! 1 COlliE! C1 1'1 y br:• Tlldd(-;1 by debate. :r i:lrtl !;p~~cAI<:ing on bc-:~hc:tlf of the I I l"i. n -i. s 1. I;! t' I -L rc "' n y b () c:l y (:! l. ~, E! IAJ ·i. s h (~ !) l o !:p~~ak. AI\J HOI\J. MEr-113F:R : HE~ :is hC-:!I"e . Ml~ . Sl:MMS: Oh, he :is het"E:1 . I am sorry! Ml~. SPEAKER: If the hon. membE!r spE!al<s notAl, he closes the debctte.

The hon . the Minister of Education . MR. HEARN: The bill itself covers four cl :i F f e t' t::1 n t a r ~~a s . MR. HISCOCI< : Y o u "' r· H c l o s -i. n g t h ~~ c:l (:~ b d i:. ~~ , a r' E~ you? f.ili:... __ n A r: BJ2 : YHs. !'1.K.:... ___ UJ .. ~(~.9..C.!S : fXCI.I:>E:! I'll(!! jl.1f~ . ~3 P [A I< E l~ : Ot"dE'!I", pJ ~:!cASO I MR. HISCOCK: I---,AJr;·;:ll71--Y·oi. k e to ·in l·.h i. s dE!bi:lt:E!. MR . SPEAKER: If t.h(;! trt:.i.n.i.s t.or· spt~i'\ks l'lOIAJ h (~ clo~>E!S thE:! ciE:•batE:!. The rn:in'.istor has <;111"E!i::tdy spol<( ;!n. L24·39 May 30, 1988 Vol XL MR.

DH.JN: When you are in the House, you should bE~ atAJdko. MR. HISCOCK : A point of Ordor, f1B....: ____ §..E..fJl!S!B. : A point oF order . MR. HISCOCK: I clo .:·\polog ·i.l.r:!, !:Jill . 1: IAJOtild ask for leave to speak to this bill. MR. SIMMS: ., 0 th~:! pc.d nt of Oindel"' Ml"' SpE!C\kE~I". MR . SPEAKER: ThE~ hon. tho Pl"(;!sidE!nt. of Lho c 0 l.lrl d. l. ' MR. SIMMS: r-1r·. ~3p~~aiuH' I IAJC:! hdv~~ no p1"oble1n with it. It is just that I did jn fac 1··. g~'!t 11p and sdy Lha I· I IAJdS closing debate on behalf of Lhe mi.nister if anybody elso wanted to spE!ak.

Nobody responded, then Uw m.in i.s t~!r canw "i. n l·l.intsL~lf . Anyway, it is up to the ministE!r, but lAJE:! hav~~ no r·(~i!ll pt"obl.E~III IAJ:i.l.:h ·i t. MR. HISCOCK: r..1r. SpE~akE:H'. MR . SPEAKE"R : 1·1w hon . lhVt::H'. Ml~. H'U)COCK: 1:Ti-~1rlT--·y-·()i:i" ":-- M I" . ~) p E! a k E! I' . . Tho I"C;!i~1son .T IAJiHll:. l:o ~;pu<:·1k on Ll:: J.s bE!Causc;! :i.t 'is

An Act: ·ro Ari'IE!nd T he ~1chools Ar:i:. lhu UAJO bui:H' ch 1 hc-.lVE! :i.n rny d:isLr·ict:, thE! ~3l:l"a:l.t.: of fl C'! ll (;! 1: s 1 (:! ~) c h o o l. il o a l" d and t hE! Vin1and School Boat"d, C\I"E! 9oing to b !o! j o '"i. n ~'! d to q e t: h 1:! r· b y l 9 a 9 a n d I haVE! sorn~" concE!Inns, a\; havE:• as thE! Loa c h r~ t' s I t:. h <:! p a I" o n 1·: s a n d s l:·.1.1 d r,~ n l:. s in that: ar'C'!a of ou1n Pt"ov·incE:•, ft"OIII 1..' Anso .. -·au -Cla i.r· Lo CtH' LIAJr''i.qh l:. , No. 4.5 R24-39

l..r::ti:H'ddor·. '~ cl v e~n c ~~ rn ~~ n t Our,'r'Rll, IArit h c o - o p n r· "1 l: -i_ o n i. n OX t'i"OflleJ.y fiE'!E!dE~d :i.11 :r. ·Lh:i.nk, r'lny r·egard to edtlcat.tc;n ·i.s th:i s Pt"ov:i.nc~:!. T. do not. nnCE!SSmr·:~.l.y Lr'lke i·.hu t~ppr·oach thE:1 NDP takes, t.~Jh:ich is, br.'ls-:i.c<:1l'l.y, do ctl.•.Jay tAri. t:h i::hn denominational education system ctnd all educalton needs ln the Provinu1 w·.nl bE! satisfied. Mr. S~H?.a k er, tAd. th Uw. t prJ 1'1C ·i. ph1, and even JA.Jith the boards co-operattng loget.hE~r·, t:h(.;! quE~sti.on has to b1::1 asked, ar'E!

IAJe going to save money b y .i n t E~ g r· a t. :i o n o r· r:~ r 1::1 IAJ e 9 o 'i. n 9 1:. o save mon1:;!y by having onE! system of (;! d u c a l: :i. o n ? D o e s i. l~ n ~1 c t:! ~• s a r· ll. y follow that the money that is 9 0 .i. 1'1 9 1·: 0 b l'' S i'l V t'! d IAJ .i. 1. l. b t:! p 0 II t' 0 d br:~ck :itrto thE~ school systE!lTI, or· t).J i. ll. L i·. 9 o i n l.. o 1:: he g E! n ::· r· <:·11 I~E:!V<-:!nUE~ uf thE~ Pl"ov:ince?

F ()I'' E~ X i' .. llllp] E:! , t: hE~ pI~ 0 V :i 1'1 C :i a J. go v or· ntno n L h •:·1 :> I·Jr:HI <:·1 pI" o 91" dlllliiO u 11 thE~ ~~(I Fot" l:.he p<:~sl·: nurnbEH' of y H d I" S :·i 1'1 IAJI'l"i C h $ /' () I n-i.J. l. ·i. 0 1'1 I !; i'-111ocdtE:1d t.o bu :i.Jd nE~w schools, an exct~ll.c~nL pr·ogr'dHIIIIC~, long l'lt:1:~dt:HI. ThE'! NTA, thE~ School Boar·d Tr·usl:'.eos d 1'1 d 0 i.: h <:!I" ~;! d 1.1 C i;1 1.: 'i, 0 1'1 i·11 lj I"

l) U fl !) , fj gun1 lAH'! need abou l $200 million L o b r' ·.l n g o u r· s c h o o l. s l.l p 1'. o r:·Hl ctdequctte standard. What did the Pl"OV i.nc.i.al govt:!Y'I'llil(:!nl·.: do Lhi s year, which many people Etpplaucl~~d? They d"i.d atAJay tAr'i.l:h l:.l'w :1.0 per' cent on bui1ding nE!lAJ schooJ.s. On fir·st: l.ook.i.ng at i.l:., C:!V~'~r·ybocly IAJas qu:itE! pl"!clSE!d. But then IAJhat h a p p E! n E:! cl ? P r· ·:i o r· ~: o l: h <.·\ t 1:: h t~ boards had l:o cornE:! up IAJ'il:h 10 p~:!r c ~~ n t. , not. +·. h t~ 1... a b r· a cl o r· boar· d s , Vinland or· the S-l.:r·aiL of BE!llE!

J ~; l. (! , b U 1:. 0 l:. h l:! I" b 0 r'l I" d S ·j n !:'. h U Pl"ov:i.ncE:!, Fot" a l:.ol:.i:-!1 of $22 lfi.i.l.liun. ilui'. l'lOIAJ i:hdi-. 1·.1-JHy hi:'ill(;! cltHI~~ i:liAJay IAJ':i.t:h LhH :1.0 pE:!l" CE!I'll:, ins l.t'!.:td oF hr:1t1 i n9 '!>??. 11ri] l. i.on i:o ~~ j:l E:! I' I d 0 I' I ~; C J·1 0 0] C 0 II S l:. Y' U C [-. i 0 1'1 , t 1·1 (;! 1...?. IIJI.() Vol. XI . bo<.H·ds only hr:Wt:' $.?.0 nri.ll. ·i.on.

So if government was going La do away l.o~J ·i. 1:. h ·1·. h o ·1 0 pI'! r· c en i·. , 1: h u y s h o ul.' I hav<;! aJ.J.ocr~ted a fut"ti·HH' $2 nltll : i. on l.. o 1'. h r:1 b o r::t I" d s , u rllh! r· 1·.: h c;1 :i. r' pI" e ~; c~ i·1 t-. p r· o g r· r:1 rmnt:! . 1 <'llfl not. t"edlJ.y ~;l . ll '' t:!, Mr· . :3pe<::tker·, about ('~hE! idea of int: ('~~~~~c~t:i.nc:J school bo,:\r'cls, and schools in co-operation, if jt necessarily 1rwans -Uw rnont~y Js qoj.ng l::o bE! pumped into librarjes, science labs and the other speclaltles that at~e m1edE!d.

L attendE!d a rn~:!E!ting dOIAJn in For·t:(,1dU' l .. abr·ad{H'' IAJ j_ Lh Dl". rom Pope and Mr·. Wayne RusSE!lJ of t.I'1E:! NT(l, r:1s tAH:'l.l .:-1~; th(~ Rornan Cat:hol.ic SchooJ. of Our Lady of Labrador -1. t'! d c h c:! r· ~; , F r· I) 111 1'\ l:! d iJ <':1 y l. o I. 1 AnsE:1 ~ ·cw-·Clait", <Hid l:hei''E! IAH'!l''O 1'11.:-1 11 y con c; f:! r· n ~; r· r·1 ·i ~; o c:l i'l 1·. L. h r:·1l:. meE:!t.:ing. On~~ oF l:hE:! conCE!I"IIS o.in pdl"i.l . CII.l.:n· lAid~; i·.hc jo·i.wi.ng of l:.he Vinland c\nd Sl:.r'i:\:il'. of BE:!l1e IsJr::! ~;choo ' l. bo.H'tL; . [ IAIOIIld l·wpf '!

T qtd:. thE:1 att:C:1nt .'.'i.on of thE! n1inist:r::!l" on l:h ·i.s, bf'!Cdu~;c,1 Nor·t.hel"n Newfoundland and Labrador, in ~lrH' I _ ·i. c:u 'l r!lr', iH'l:' pr•obdbl.y I:: he lllOS l: nE!glectE!d ar'E!ClS in our· Pl"ov:i.nce no 1.: o n 1. y :i. n f~ d u c a L "i. o n b u t .i. n o L h r::! r· fields, but particularly with r· ega I" d i·.: o t:! d u c i:l t: .L on , b E'! c au s E~ it cosl~s so rnuch to hE•a-t and 1:i.c;Jht: LhE~ schools; t:h(;!y nc;!(~d E:~xLI"d 1TIOI'l0!Y allocated to them in order t:o have L: h c"! b a s i. c n t:! c E~ s s .i t·:. i E:! s IAJ e 1:. a k E:! f o r granted in urban areas.

What has happE!I'lE!d :in thE:! pa s t, Mt". f.-:1 p E~ d I<'''! r· , "is IJ i. nl. and a 11110 s 1:. i)J"! n l:. bankrupt. If school boards were pr··ival.t'! bus·Lnc:1S!;E:!s, +·.E'!Chn i . c;:~lly, I suppose, you wouJ.d say that: IJ ·i.nliitnc:l i:\nd t.he ~'lt.r·r:'1il .: (I[ BnJ l r::! Isl(~! and ~> ornt:! boat"ds o.n l:. h r::1 Bur·in Pt'!nin~;ll . lr:'l IAIC!I" C! bi.'tnkl " llpi : .. T h1:! Province r ea1iz n d t:h is nE!ed s (! v (! r· r•\ ., y f'! r'( I" ,, i'\ CJ 0 i::l F 1". (;! r' I"E:!pi"E!~;c,,nl.: al:::i.on IAias rnaclE:! in l:.hE! 1\J 0 . /I. r; R 2/.~lj.()

House of AssE!mbly, and thc,1y gaVE! th~~ boards extra money For· h~:!at: and 1-.ight. In jointng Ci:'lp(! Fr'e(!l.S IAr:i.th T(:~rr'r'\ Nova, BurgE!O wtth thE! Bay of Islands, Di::!('!Y' Lab:~ t>.d.Lh St. Bar·be South, and notAl thE! ~3l:r·ait of BellE! IslE! IAJil:h VJnland, parl: ."icular·ly the J.ast ones I mE!n'lionE!d, and other schools that are going to co---opE!rate and join together, there is a need to have more money alJ.ocatE!d OVE!r and above what is available, Mr. Speaker.

Other·IAd.se, thE!rE! is l-l fE!ar on thE! part oF school boa1nd mr:;!lllbE!rS, tE!achE!Y'S and parents that students in Labrador and on the Northern Peninsula are going to have gr~~at:.E!r difficull::y J.n catching up with regard to having proper schools, propl,!r librar'i(:1S, science:' labs and computers. WE! aJ.so knotAJ, Mt".Speaker · , if you ar'E:' go'"i.ng 'l:.o hi'l.Ve ttAJO boar·d:; como together and supervisors have to tr'i:WE!l to ~Jarman BEiy, PinSE!nt Arm, Red Bay, LodgE! Bay, Charlot·l:E!town or· Par C\ dis e River· , tho s <:~ are a s , Min.

SpeakE!r, thE! last one in part.icular, IAJi'lich is in Labr·ador, East of Goose Bay - the others are operated by the Vinland and Strait of Belle Isle Boards to work IAril:h sotne of thE! teachers j_n this isolated area of our Province, particularly in the Fall, Winter and Spring when they are completely isolated and the only rneans of tlnaVE!J. is by a:i.r·plane l:hey IAJiHii: l·:.o f~:!E!l they cH'~:! pari: of thE! education system and they need s p E! ci a 1 J s t s a n d s u p c::e r v i s o r· s c o rn i n g into the area it means more E! x p (;! n s (:' rno rH:' y has l:. o b (:' g :i v E! n o v l=! r· and above the operating capital l:'.hey J'lOI~.J I"('!CeiV(;!, Ol:hE•r'IAJi.SE!, l:'.hf~Y a I~('! g oi. n g to bE• taking ITI<HlE! y Frorn general revenue, rnoney which should bE! spent: on libr•atn:iE!S, s c:ir:!l'lC(:~ labs, compu-l:.( '!I"S and o l~hr::!i" L.24·41 May 30, 1988 Vol XL programmes which are needed to E:1nhr:ll'lCE! th~:! studonts loc\rni.ng, and rno n E! y is going to be · takE! n f r~o rn g(:'nE!rC\l OP('!r'di:lng cosi::,~, such as h(~at. and light.

M r· . ~'3 p e a I< E:'r' , l:. o g o b a c k l: o l:. h e taking l-HAJa y of l:·.l'w l 0 p or· c en t , aga.· .in Ldbr·ador· IAJas f:irst, -.in Lhat 1:: h E! V J n l a n d 5 c h o o J. B o a r d IAJ a s t h E! boar·d t:o have thE:! :tO per u:!nt donE• away with. I arn quite pleased that. Hli s year S t: . l.. OIAri s , -.:L n Labrador, J.s getting a I1E!W school, and Rod Bay "is ge U:ing a new school next year.

We have had grr;!at impr·overnr:1nt a l'lE!IAJ school bEdng built in Mary 1 s Harbour ·, in Wtl.l:iarn 1 s Harbour, repair·s and dn extension to the school in Cartwrtght, and upgrading of schools in smaJ.ler communities. In Ble~ck Ticl<l~'!, a r,:Jyln t•.Jas butlt . on. WE! neE!d rnot"E! and Jar·gc!l" clr:-\SSI"OOITIS Fo1" Black T icklr:1. Wl:• have seen schools in Pinsent 1 s Arm and Not"rnan Bdy, j_n pi:11n l:icul.ar·, qo F r o rn o n e c 1 a s s r o o rn L. o tiAJ o classrooms; we have seen outdoor toilE!ts being repJ.aCE!d by chE!Trdca] to:i1et:s.

Ov<:H'l-111, Ml". ;,-;peakor, throughout the Labrador Coast gr'l':1ai: ·irnpt"overn<'!l'll.:s havE! beE:!n ITiade tn thE! physical structurE! of thE! bu .i lclt ngs, bu L tAJc:~ hav <:~ not.: s eon g r· E! at i m FJ r o v E!Tn e n t s IAJi t h r E!

g) a r· d L. o the cle1.:i.vr:H'Y of p1nograrnrnos bE!CatjSe of thE! cost tnvoJ.VE!d in gE!ttirtg computers and other new teaching techniqUE!S. In For· t·.eau E 1 r;! rn E! n t a r y , F o r· E! x a rn p 1 e , s t·:. 1 H~ c~ l"t l: s had to raise rnoney in order to get a X E! r ox rna c h J n <:' , and s l:. u d r:! n l.: s in Red Bay had t.o r' r.d.sE• 111oney :i.11 orciEH' to gr.=! t: co1nput.r:!r's, and I can go on and on Un·oughout l:.hE! d:i.st:r·ict.

My concE'!Y'n on th·is a::; a for·tnr~r­ tE!achr::•r, and one who i s E·x'Lt"ern~:!ly concerned about the educat lo n oF peop1e -:i. n l:.hE! dJ.~;t:r·Jct-.:, IAJI't-:i.ch ha~:; been th(~ cor·nei"S l:onH of.,. 1ny concer·n No. 4-5 R 2LI-4-1

as a member since 19'79, is that with the tlAJo boards coming together there will be a three YE!ar phase--in pE!r·iod and UwrE! tAJill be no ct~tback on Ci:Hltral office staff' and supE!rintE!ndent one tAJill be a sup(;!r:int(HJdent, and another one will become an associatt.~ super:intE!ndNJL. AJ.so, from what I can gather, under

Article 45 of the Collective Agrei:~rnent between the NTA and thE! provincia]. government, if two school boards join forces, the succi:~sstve r·ighl:'.~~ of teaci·H~rs, i:-\ll. their liabilities and ~--~~spons'.i.bi l.i.t.ir:~s, go lAJ:i. Lh l:ho1n and they hc--:tvc::~ st:~nior·ity, and that seems to be a concern in the district of EaglE! River, that if t.l).JO boa1"d s j o:i n Log(;! t: hE:'r, hotAJ l).d.ll the problem of tenure be solved.

With r'E!g;u·d l:o thE· SchooJ.s Act, I hopE! this goVE!I"nmE:!nt and Lh(,~ Boar·d of Trustees in parU.cular, who tAJilJ. al1ocate mom~y, 1Ali1l at leas l: realize that the aim is not to br·ing boards together just For the sake of bringing t.hern togethr:!r, 1.11e are bringing them togethi:~r for co-operation, For more planning, for more utilization of speciaJ.ists and supervisors. The Vinland and the Strait of Belle Isle schoo1 boards just hi.rE!d or ar·e adv(~J"l::ising For· on(,~ spE!C"ialisl: l.~Jho is_ .. I bE!]ieVE! I arn corrE!Ct., Mr. Speaker an educationAl psychologist.

In Northern Newfoundland and Labr~dor this is tc~kE:~n for grant.E!d h~:!rE• tn ~a. John's~ . p~;ycholog:ist: \).J~:!J.COI!Ied by Pl"ovinCE!. an ts on<;! l:hat E:• d u c <:\ 1':. i. on<:~"!. IAihO lAIOUJ.d be of our· WE! n~:!t::~d spE!E•ch pathoJ ogis ts. WE! n ~" ~:! cl 1no r' E! q u :i. dan c ('! co u n s E'! 11 or· s . We need For programme s u p E! r v i s o r' s . B u l·: l·: h e b a s t c l: h j, n CJ it con1es doum l:·.o, LhE! backbonE! of l:his, :is that. it is not qo:i.ng t.o L2ll-42 May 30, 1988 UoJ. XL mean anything, Mr.

Spi:~aker, toiAiard greatly improving the educational needs of tl'w studE!I'lt.s or · l':'ht:! t.E!clchers of Labrador lAJho corne under the Uinland and Strait of BE! J. J. E! IS 1 E! i. f mo I" E! rna n E! y :.i. S n 0 t alJ.ocated For the basic, day-·t.O-· ·day opera Lions t:l1td.: s'l.:ucl'"!nl:.s rJ(,~E~cl by IAJaY oF physici:-~1 Facilities and by way of access to more library facil'.i.ties and scienCE! equ:iprnr:!nt. WE! find, Mr.

S p o a·k (;! r , t h cd: rna n y of t hi:~ s rna 11 e r schools cannot carry out certain p r· 0 g r· a Ill HI 0 S b EH: i.'l USE! t.: hE:! y cl 0 1'1 0 t have the equipment that is needed. I rnentionE!d before, Mr·. SpeakE! I", i. n t h ·i. !; II o u s E:~ t h c:·! t:. :i. n l'. h o d ·:i. s l: I" J. c l.: of EaglE! River, in part:i.cuJ.ar, LIJE! h~ve approximaLely eight schools, frorn GradE! I to GradE! XIII, aftE!Y' which l:hey have Lo go to 1arger arE!C:~s :in t.hE! dJ.sl:rict or· outs'icle tht