Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 13 March 2013 (47th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLVII No. 76)

2013-03-13

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 13 March 2013 (47th General Assembly, 1st Session, Vol. XLVII No. 76)

2013-03-13

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

March

13, 2013 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS Vol.

XLVII No. 76

The House met at 2:00 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Wiseman): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: Today we have members' statements from: the Member for the

District of Signal Hill Quidi Vidi; the Member for the District of The Straits

White Bay North; the Member for the District of St. John's East; the Member

for the District of St. John's South; the Member for the District of Burgeo La

Poile; and the Member for the District of Lewisporte.

The hon. the Member for the District of Signal Hill Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Mr. Speaker, on Sunday, March 10, I had the great honour of

attending the fiftieth anniversary People of the Sea Service at George Street

United Church.

This service in that wonderful, beautiful church was a moving reminder of how

closely our history in this city is entwined with the powerful and complex ocean

around us.

For fifty years, the People of the Sea Service has paid tribute to, and

sought protection for, the men and women who work on the ocean.

For all those years, the Church Lads Brigade Regimental Band has been an

important part of the music of the People of the Sea Service, as indeed they are

of so many local events.

In recognition of their fifty years of musical leadership, the congregation

of the George Street United Church presented the CLB Regimental Band with a

plaque to commemorate the band's important annual contribution.

With members ranging in age from eight to eighty, the band is an integral

part of the Province's musical heritage.

I ask all members to join me in congratulating the George Street United

Church and the CLB Regimental Band on the fiftieth anniversary of the People of

the Sea Service.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of The Straits White

Bay North.

MR. MITCHELMORE: Mr. Speaker, the annual Snowmobile Ride to Support

Breast Cancer Research is an inspirational show of community unity, and shows us

what can be done when an entire region works together towards a goal.

The event was established by Donna Grimes and Betty Dempster nine years ago.

In the twenty-seven communities from Eddies Cove East to Eddies Cove West,

community representatives line up participants and sponsors and help with

ordering meals and collecting registration fees.

This year the weather did not co-operate for a big snowmobile trek, but the

event went ahead anyway as a walk. More than 300 people gathered in Plum Point

to raise just over $18,000 for the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation. More than

$100,000 has been raised since the event started. Marie Hughes from Green Island

Brook, who now works in Iqaluit, came back for the event, bringing $4,500 in

sponsorship money and seven prizes with her.

Every community participates; Flower's Cove even makes race day its annual

civic holiday. Businesses, individuals, and municipalities donate prizes.

Residents volunteer months in advance.

Mr. Speaker, I commend the entire area of The Straits for the way they pull

together to make this happen.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. John's East.

MR. MURPHY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to congratulate a resident of St. John's East who recently

celebrated his one-hundredth birthday last month.

Engineer Tom Kierans is well known in the Province for more than just his

longevity; his thought-provoking suggestions have caught the imagination of

generations of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

He may be best known in the Province for his long-time advocacy of a fixed

link between the Island of Newfoundland and Labrador. In St. John's many

remember his innovative suggestion for the rock arena, a stadium built inside

the Southside Hills of the city. Eventually, of course, the city built the Mile

One Centre, but Kierans' unique solution endures as a good example of the

importance of thinking outside the box.

Tom was born in Montreal and graduated from McGill in 1939 with a degree in

Mining Engineering. He moved to St. John's in the early 1950s. He did the

underground design work at the Churchill Falls site and in 1973 joined the

engineering faculty at Memorial University.

When he retired from MUN, Kierans was named director of the Alexander Graham

Bell Institute at the University of Cape Breton.

On February 13, Tom Kierans turned 100 years old. I ask that all hon. members

join me in congratulating him.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. John's South.

MR. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I wish to commend the Shea Heights Community Centre and all the

volunteers who have once again delivered another successful winter festival this

year.

This year's winter festival was well attended and enjoyed by all. As usual,

the community has much to be proud of.

The residents of Shea Heights have a very strong sense of community spirit,

which is evident in the involvement of all residents in community events such as

the annual Santa Claus parade, the winter festival, and the annual Folk

Festival. This year represents the tenth anniversary for the Folk Festival,

which I am sure will be the best to date.

I am delighted to recognize the Shea Heights Community Centre, and all the

volunteers who dedicate their time to build community spirit. I would also like

to recognize the residents of Shea Heights for building the community to what it

is today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Burgeo La Poile.

MR. A. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to recognize and congratulate the Port aux Basques Blaze Peewee

A hockey team. The Port aux Basques team won gold at the Barry Lush Memorial

Tournament, held at Sydney, Nova Scotia, this past weekend. The fourteen-player

team, comprised of both male and female players, was the only team from

Newfoundland and Labrador to compete in this tournament. The other eight teams

were from the Cape Breton County area.

The Blaze played a four-game round robin finishing with a 3-1 record. The one

loss was to the Sydney Peewees, who they turned the tables on to defeat 4-1 in

the championship game. This is the first time in twelve years that a team from

Port aux Basques has travelled to Sydney to compete. The team thoroughly enjoyed

the competition, meeting new players, and hope to have the opportunity to play

there again.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join with me in extending

congratulations to all the players and their coaches on winning gold at the

Barry Lush Memorial Tournament in Sydney. Great job!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for the District of Lewisporte.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. VERGE: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to recognize a very brave and

courageous lady from my district. Maxine was diagnosed with breast cancer in

September 2009. For three-and-a-half years, Maxine lived with this disease and

nothing ever dampened her spirit. Maxine always wore a smile that could not be

erased.

She is best known for her kind, loving spirit and as a person who saw the

opportunity in every challenge and the good in every person. Maxine had great

faith that helped her maintain a positive outlook and to also face each day with

a thankful heart.

As an example of her heartwarming and positive spirit, I will share this

story. In her last remaining hours, her breathing was getting harder and she

looked to be very uncomfortable in her bed. I was concerned and worried that she

might be in pain, so I called in the nurse for some help. The nurse looked at

her and said: Mrs. Verge, how are you are feeling? Maxine could not open her

eyes, but she smiled a little and went like this. [Thumbs up]

On March 1, 2013, Maxine put on her wings and she flew up to heaven. Her

smile, her positive attitude and her spirit will remain in my heart forever. I

love you, Maxine, and to you I give a big thumbs up.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Ministers' Statements.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister Responsible for Newfoundland and

Labrador Housing Corporation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I was very pleased to attend an announcement today regarding the

expansion of the Choices for Youth very successful Train for Trades program in

St. John's.

Since 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation has been a very

proud partner in this worthwhile program. Train for Trades supports at-risk

youth in our community through access to valuable on-the-job construction

training and experience.

This national award-winning program will now be doubling its capacity to

train and employ young people through a generous donation of $2.1 million from

Hibernia Management and Development Company.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Mr. Speaker, this partnership and support is an excellent

example of the good work and important relationships being fostered between

government, industry and community groups. This is big business giving back to

the community in a big way.

Mr. Speaker as a result of this new partnership, twenty youth will take

part

in the forty-four-week program this year. This will include two weeks of

training through the Carpenters Millwright College followed by forty-two weeks

of on-the-job experience.

Participants will help construct six new Choices for Youth affordable housing

units being built for their very youth. This project is made possible with an

investment of $750,000 from Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation

through the Affordable Housing Program.

This year, participants in the Train for Trades program will help carry out

modernization and improvement work on ten Newfoundland and Labrador Housing

rental units. This is part of a pilot project in partnership with the Canadian

Union of Public Employees, Local 1860.

Mr. Speaker, the Choices for Youth Train for Trades program has been very

successful with 80 per cent of participants going on to post-secondary education

or employment. Mr. Speaker, I just learned before coming in the House this

afternoon that six of the six current participants have just received notice

that they have all successfully completed their GED.

I ask this hon. House to join me in congratulating Choices for Youth and all

their partners on the expansion of this innovative program, and to thank

Hibernia Management and Development Company for making a key investment in

supporting young people in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

I wish all participants and all the partners, past and future, the best of

luck and best wishes in all future endeavours.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for an advance copy. This program, Choices for Youth

Train for Trades, is a very worthwhile program for the youth at risk in the

Province. Also, CUPE has played an important role here to allow the youth to

work under their guidance at Newfoundland and Labrador Housing. The minister

mentioned CUPE and they should be recognized for that, and also the Hibernia

Management and Development Company for putting in this $2.1 million. It is a

worthwhile contribution from a corporate citizen to help the youth in this

Province.

The most startling point that I noticed in the press release that the

minister put out, which I take the pleasure in as being a former youth

counsellor, is that 80 per cent who graduate go on to post-secondary or

employment. That is a great rate. If there is some way that we can increase the

rate to 100 per cent, which we are all striving for, but this opportunity gives

the youth an opportunity to go and look at new trades, look at new

opportunities, give them self-worth, and above all that do something useful,

like when they are building units for people with special needs and for advanced

needs for youth.

Congratulations to the government for developing this program,

congratulations for getting the youth involved, and to CUPE and to Hibernia

Management and to the youth themselves for saying that we need a better future

and working at it and being dedicated.

Congratulations to people around.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for St. John's North.

MR. KIRBY: Thanks to the minister for an advance copy of his statement.

Hibernia Management and Development is rightly applauded for this investment in

our young people. Likewise, we should applaud the efforts of Choices for Youth,

the staff there in Train for Trades, for extending a lifeline to youth who would

otherwise be at risk of becoming statistics as a result of their

often-challenging circumstances.

At a time when this PC government is cutting funding to Employment Assistance

Services providers and cutting off a vital lifeline to unemployed

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, it is good to know that Hibernia and Choices

for Youth have a lot more foresight than that.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Does the Member for St. John's South have leave?

AN HON. MEMBER: No leave.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DALLEY: Mr. Speaker, I rise in this hon. House to offer

congratulations to the winners of two prestigious tourism awards that were

announced at the 2013 Hospitality Newfoundland and Labrador Convention. They

strive for excellence, they provide lasting memories for visitors, and they are

fine examples of the tremendous people and organizations that make up our

provincial tourism industry. They are Stan Cook Jr., who won the Doug Wheeler

Award, and the Cupids Legacy Centre, which won the Cultural Tourism Award.

The Doug Wheeler Award is presented annually by the provincial government to

honour the late Doug Wheeler, a long-time public servant who did exceptional

work promoting the Province as a tourism destination. The award recognizes

outstanding contributions to the tourism industry, and Stan Cook Jr. is most

certainly an exceptional contributor.

With his father, Stan Sr., he helped build one of the Province's most

successful adventure tourism operations: Stan Cook Kayaking. Since 1970, this

family business has been earning provincial and national recognition for the

unique experiences and world-renowned hospitality they offer to outdoor

enthusiasts. In addition to his work as an entrepreneur, Mr. Cook is also a

tireless advocate for the provincial tourism industry. He has held positions on

a number of provincial and national boards, associations, partnerships, and

committees, and most notably served as President of the Tourism Industry

Association of Canada.

The Cultural Tourism Award is presented by the Department of Tourism, Culture

and Recreation in partnership with the Department of Canadian Heritage and

Hospitality Newfoundland and Labrador. It recognizes attractions that put

extraordinary effort and creativity into providing authentic cultural tourism

experiences experiences that make a lasting impression on visitors and lasting

economic benefits for their region.

Mr. Speaker, the Cupids Legacy Centre is certainly deserving of the award, as

it has quickly become a key provincial attraction. The centre expresses the

is internationally recognized for its conservation and archival techniques,

highly trained interpreters, and use of technology.

Mr. Speaker, I invite my colleagues to join me in applauding both award

winners for their tremendous contributions to the Newfoundland and Labrador

tourism industry.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for Burgeo La Poile.

MR. A. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for an advance copy of the statement. I was at the

Hospitality Newfoundland and Labrador Convention and the luncheon where they

announced these two winners and it was a pleasure to be there to take this in

and to congratulate these two individuals on the success they have achieved in

this burgeoning industry.

We all know Stan Cook Jr. in this Province and the contributions that he has

made. We all know that he is not only a force here in the Avalon Region, but his

impact is known all over the Province and certainly his presence on the

different boards that he serves on as well. Mr. Peter Laracy, who accepted an

award for Cupid's Legacy Centre the great work they have done recognizing the

historic monument that we have there and the history of this Province.

We get many opportunities in this House to criticize government initiatives,

but we also need to take time to make sure we recognize when something is done

right. We had an opportunity to watch the great new ads that our Department of

Tourism has put out, and again, everybody can recognize the great work that it

is doing. Our numbers are going up and we are working together to make this

happen.

The individuals and groups in this Province who are providing that

first-hand, excellent tourist experience, we need to contribute to that, make it

easier for them to do the job and continue this great industry.

Congratulations to the government on this, congratulations to the department

and to the two individuals receiving these awards.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for The Straits White Bay North.

MR. MITCHELMORE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, would like to thank the minister for the advance copy of his

statement.

I had the pleasure of attending the HNL conference and recognizing the

contributions made by Mr. Stan Cook, Jr., the people of the Cupids Legacy

Centre, other award recipients, and those involved in the industry. They are

very well deserved for all the hard work and dedication that they do.

That being said, as a rural MHA I would like to see more action from this

government. Both the minister and I know the hard truth about what his

government's cuts will do to rural Newfoundland and Labrador.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, before I begin I would like to say to the Member

for Lewisporte, we want to send our thoughts and our condolences to his family

and his friends.

Mr. Speaker, after ten years in power, this government has created a

financial mess that they have no idea how to get out of. The brought in Wade

Locke at $250 an hour and Deloitte for $4 million for help.

I ask the Premier: After ten years in power, why is it only now you are

looking for a sustainability plan?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As I have said on a number of occasions, in 2003 we inherited a Province that

was not only financially bankrupt, but there was an infrastructure deficit that

was huge. What we have done over the last number of years, Mr. Speaker, is we

have increased more than doubled our heath spending, increased our education

spending by 70 per cent, and increased our infrastructure spending by more than

200 per cent.

We have had to rebuild this Province, Mr. Speaker, and to do that we have had

to spend the money wisely. I am sure that you will not hear members opposite

complain about things that went into their districts.

Mr. Speaker, what we are doing now is that we have to make sure that our

revenues and our expenditures can coexist. We started this process over the last

number of years, but especially last year; we reduced our spending to less than

1 per cent, we released our ten-year debt reduction plan, and we are continuing

on that road of fiscal prudence.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR. BALL: Interesting to hear the Minister of Finance talk about

inheritance. What he does not talk about is a great inheritance that he received

that has produced over $15 billion in offshore royalties. That is what he used

to rebuild this Province. It was not about a sustainability plan.

Mr. Speaker, over 2,000 people this government has added to its core public

service. Apparently they have not been able to hire anyone who is able to put

together a financial stability plan. Now you are spending millions, as I said,

for Wade Locke and Deloitte.

I ask the Premier: Why are you spending millions on consultants when you have

not been able to come up with a plan using the resources already within

government?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I find it very unfortunate when you hear comments like that coming from a

politician in this House, Mr. Speaker, basically taking away from the good work

done by the economists in the Department of Finance, and all of the people that

we have in our public service who work so hard.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: It seems to be a theme of this government, as we have seen

with the MHA for St. Barbe, Mr. Speaker. What we have done is we have hired Dr.

Locke. Dr. Locke was hired to provide some advice. He is recognized in this

Province as having expertise in the mining industry, oil and gas industry, and

in debt reduction, Mr. Speaker.

We offered to pay Dr. Locke. Basically, my approach is you pay people for

what they are doing. Dr. Locke is the one who has offered to do the work for $1.

We are not he is giving us his time and expertise and we are availing of that,

Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, my comments were not about the great people who we

have working in our departments. How would you feel if you were in your

department and you were undermined by bringing people in? Dr. Locke is a good

guy; he has done some great work. You are the one who made the decision.

Mr. Speaker, again yesterday the Premier refused to say that she paid two

Tory campaign managers in a secret government bonus plan.

I ask the Premier: Why is it that you can go to Budget Estimates and see the

exact amount that a young doctor makes in this Province, but you cannot see the

bonuses paid out to Ross Reid and to Len Simms?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

This bonus program was brought in a number of years ago, Mr. Speaker. It

could be up to 10 per cent of base salary. There were a number of individuals at

the deputy minister or equivalent level.

I did not speak personally, but we have spoken to both Mr. Reid and Mr. Simms

and they have no problem releasing the amounts that they were paid in terms of

their bonuses. Mr. Simms received a bonus of $10,315.31 a very good deal, at

that, I would say to you, Sir and Mr. Reid received a bonus of $5,939.50.

There is no secrecy, Mr. Speaker. All we are trying to do is we are outlining

the work that has been done. This information was provided to The Telegram

in an ATIPP request; back in October 18 it began and we responded again after

Christmas.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR. BALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Four questions in this House later and we finally get the answer. The Premier

is hiding behind Bill 29 to protect the exact amount of

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. BALL: taxpayer money she gave to her campaign managers.

Mr. Speaker, the Information and Privacy Commissioner has released a stunning

report on the freedom of information case. It outlines in detail of over four

years the Department of Justice dragged the case through the court and used

every excuse possible to delay the release of this information.

I ask the Premier: Why did you allow this to go on so long, and what are you

doing to ensure that this travesty of justice never happens again?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Innovation, Business and Rural

Development.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HUTCHINGS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, this case was around the exemption provision in terms of access

to information of the Department of Justice. A determination was made, it went

to court. The court made a determination on that and recommendations were made.

They were brought back to the minister. The minister committed yesterday to

reviewing that, and at that time, he would certainly release very quickly, in

terms of what that information is.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

MR. BALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As we know, the court ruled against it. They still dragged it out. This

fiasco occurred before the passage of Bill 29, when the Commissioner had

authority to examine potential solicitor-client information. Bill 29 forces

applicants to go to courts, meaning big costs and long delays.

I ask the Premier: Why has government thrown up those unnecessary roadblocks

of information access, and when will you take the necessary steps to remove

them?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Innovation, Business and Rural

Development.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HUTCHINGS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I made note of the Privacy Commissioner, some of the comments he

has made in regard to Bill 29. He said he has not seen any significant

difference in the amount of information accessible pre-Bill 29 to post-Bill 29.

It is a little different than what we are hearing from the other side of the

floor, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HUTCHINGS: Mr. Speaker, in regard to solicitor-client privilege, we

went through a review, five years, as the ATIPP legislation requires to do. Mr.

Cummings carried out that review with consultation. In and of that, at that

particular time, he recommended that solicitor-client, in terms of those

situations

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. HUTCHINGS: taking into account that type of information. The route

was to go to court, if there was an exception in terms of it was not provided.

That recommendation by Mr. Cummings was accepted as part of the review of the

legislation. We make no apologies for that. That was recommended, and we

certainly adopted that recommendation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say, the minister should read the report, because that is not what Mr. Ring

is saying.

Mr. Speaker, tenders closed on the Strait of Belle Isle ferry service six

weeks ago. To date, government has not awarded any contract and the vessel is

supposed to be in service in about two weeks.

I ask the minister: Why have you delayed this decision?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we invest tens of millions of dollars every year in providing

ferry services to people who live in the remote parts of Newfoundland and

Labrador. Recently, we announced a Request for Proposals to provide a

fifteen-year service to the people of Labrador, for The Straits of Labrador and

Northern Labrador that will provide a service they have never had in the history

of Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker. It will provide roll-on roll-off

service that will be able to carry passengers, freight and vehicles, a service

that has never been provided to them before.

To get to that service, Mr. Speaker, we have to provide a short-term tender.

We have called tenders. We are assessing the bids, and until the bids have been

properly assessed and we have done our due diligence we will not be prepared to

award the tender until that work has been done.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The lowest bidder on the contract has a vessel that we understand is tied up

in Turkey someplace and it does not meet the CSI standards and even has a

loading ramp that is welded shut.

I ask the minister: Do you think it is possible that you can have this vessel

pass Transport Canada regulations, be available and in service by April 1?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate the interest in our ferry service from the member opposite, but,

Mr. Speaker, it is very important for us as a government that we have to follow

a process, a process that is laid out in the tendering process and is also

required under the Public Tender Act.

Unlike the member opposite who has been encouraging us to break the act, we

have to follow the law, Mr. Speaker. We have to follow the rules and follow the

law and we have to do due diligence to this process.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I say to the Premier, I did not see any tender notice on John Noseworthy or

Ross Reid, or any of her other Tory hats, Mr. Speaker, that she put in position

over there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: Mr. Speaker, it is no secret that CAI is a company that has

been riddled with headaches and disaster ever since they started taking over

marine service contracts in Labrador. Last year, we saw the saga of the Dutch

Runner , Mr. Speaker. It got so bad that the government had to go and take

the vessel out of service. We saw what happened this year with the Bond ,

when they put her on dry dock for refit and could not afford to get the vessel

off the dry dock.

I say to you minister: Why are you going to give an operator with such a bad

track record any consideration for this contract knowing they do not even have a

vessel that they can have in service come April 1?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, what a pleasure it is to get up and get the facts on the table.

I can tell you that. When the members opposite were in power, the ferry

replacement strategy they had was a vessel called the Nonia , a bargain

they picked up for $1 million overseas and brought over here. It took years and

years of work, a $9.8 million investment by the people of the Province, by this

government when we inherited the rustbucket, the Nonia , from this crowd

over here and we had to put that in service.

It took years to do it, Mr. Speaker, and only recently we decommissioned

that. We could not waste any more money on it and now we are left to deal with

the fleet we have, which have built on, Mr. Speaker. We built two new

forty-two-metre vessels, the Grace Sparkes and Hazel McIsaac .

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: We built them at over $50 million and they are providing great

service to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador today. We have tenders out

now to replace the Winsor down in Fogo Island and Change Islands, and we

are building a new swing vessel, another forty-two metre vessel, to provide

services to the people of the Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Opposition House Leader.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister loves to talk about what happened ten to fifteen years ago. I

want to talk about what you are doing on your watch as a government.

Mr. Speaker, the contract for the service

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS JONES: on the Strait of Belle Isle has been expired for months. They

knew for years the contract was going to run out and they never went to tender

until January 10. Now, Mr. Speaker, we are two weeks away from having a service

put in place in a place in this Province where we have a tremendous amount of

traffic, between Labrador and the Island.

I ask the government today: When are you going to do just service to the

people of Newfoundland and Labrador that have to use the Strait of Belle Isle,

and award a contract to put a ferry service in place by April 1?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I will tell you what we will not do: We will not be breaking the

law like the hon. member over there wants us to do. We will follow the law. We

will follow the Public Tender Act.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: I will tell you what else we will do, Mr. Speaker, and I will

tell you what we are doing. She wants to talk about what we are doing on my

watch. We are providing year-round service now, ferry service to the people of

Labrador. It runs out of Corner Brook throughout the winter months and then we

have the summer service that has been there for a number of years that we now

had an RFP out for a fifteen-year service, a service they have never seen

before.

We built the highway in Labrador, Mr. Speaker, for the people of Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Recently, Mr. Speaker, we announced $85 million to continue

with the paving of that very much needed and used highway, the Trans-Labrador

Highway, like never seen before.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for St. Barbe.

MR. BENNETT: (Inaudible) met with the parents of Whitbourne Elementary to

receive their 500 letters of protest against the closure of their K-12 school in

June 2013. They feel the current school closure process is flawed for a number

of reasons.

I ask the Minister of Education: Will he admit the current school closing

process does not serve our students and our communities well, and commit to a

review of this outdated and backward policy?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Any time there is a school closure in a community, it is a very sensitive, a

very emotional issue. Mr. Speaker, I can truly speak to it myself. I was

principal of a school that closed under the party opposite, under their watch. I

know first-hand what parents, teachers, and students are going through.

Mr. Speaker, we have elected boards. The reason we have elected boards is we

want to remove politics from the situation. We have had representation, Mr.

Speaker, from the community groups; they have made representation to the school

board. The member for the area has made representation on their behalf, Mr.

Speaker. That elected board has made a decision based on the facts that they

had.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for St. Barbe.

MR. BENNETT: Half-a-dozen years ago during the Bishop's Falls by-election

the former Premier said that no viable schools would be closed. On the

government's own Web site, it states that all students have a right to attend

their neighbourhood schools.

I ask the Minister of Education to reassure the Whitbourne parents who are in

gallery here today that he would defer the closure of their school until he

corrects the many flaws in his school closure policy.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Education.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Mr. Speaker, I am very aware that there are parents from

Whitbourne in the gallery. Mr. Speaker, as I have said, I understand what they

are going through. Mr. Speaker, again I do not want to appear to repeat myself,

but there is a process of consultation that boards carry out and groups make

representation. Then they make the decisions based on the facts.

Mr. Speaker, the fact is not only in this particular area but there are other

areas in the Province where our students are declining. We have lost 14,000

students over the last, I believe, ten years, Mr. Speaker. Unfortunately, in

rural parts of our Province, that is continuing. Mr. Speaker, this is a board

decision that was made by an elected board.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for Burgeo La Poile.

MR. A. PARSONS: Mr. Speaker, last night I attended a meeting regarding

funding cuts to EAS agencies, many of whom are here today. Government staff have

confided that they are terrified of the workload coming with these cuts. The

Avalon region alone is already at critical staffing levels.

I ask the minister: How many more clients will these 139 staff serve? How can

you risk the turnover by overloading your staff?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS SHEA: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

One thing I can say, Mr. Speaker, the job market in Newfoundland and Labrador

has never been brighter thanks to this government and with the economic

opportunities that we have available.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS SHEA: Mr. Speaker, we have a series of career work centres across

Newfoundland and Labrador, and despite what the Member for Burgeo La Poile may

think or may say, they are very professional and they are able to do their job.

I consulted with many of them yesterday. They are very excited about the moves,

but, Mr. Speaker, we are able to deliver the services that the people of this

Province need to help them attach to the labour market.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Burgeo La Poile, for a quick

question.

MR. A. PARSONS: Well, the minister mentioned job markets certainly

going to be a lot more crowded with these cuts.

Twelve of your government work centres were not created until 2007-2008, when

EI service delivery was being negotiated.

Will you admit the duplication has nothing to do with EAS agencies, but is a

creation of your department?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS SHEA: Mr. Speaker, there is a duplication of services because this

government since 2003 was committed to having Career Work Centres in

Newfoundland and Labrador. In 2009, we inherited the Employment Assistance

Services as contracted service when the LMDA devolved to the provincial

government.

Mr. Speaker, what I can say is that this government from day one has been

committed to ensuring that the people of this Province have access to the

services that they need to help them attach to the labour market.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Leader of the Third Party.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Prior to my question, I would like to on behalf of my caucus to offer our

condolences to the Member for Lewisporte and to thank him for his courage here

today.

Mr. Speaker, in February, Quebec Hydro pulled back on its hydroelectric

development projects because Quebec is predicted to have a power surplus through

to 2027, created domestically as well as by the increasing shale gas development

in the US.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier: why have she and her government continued on

their Muskrat Falls folly?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is incredible to me that the Leader of the NDP continues to persist in her

attack on Muskrat Falls, Mr. Speaker, despite the support that project has in

this Province, across the country, and even by members of her own party.

Certainly, the NDP are known, Mr. Speaker, for their support of the labour

movement.

Mr. Speaker, these are thousands of union jobs available here in the

Province, particularly in Labrador, and the Leader of the NDP is against it. It

is mind boggling; I cannot understand why they do not support this project. It

is good for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and the ratepayers of

Newfoundland and Labrador. It is good for taxpayers in Newfoundland and Labrador

and it is good for unions in Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Leader of the Third Party.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am sorry the Premier was not at the Town Hall I was at last night; she

would have seen absolutely no support for the Muskrat Falls Project.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier: Why does she expect the people of the

Province to pay through their teeth

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Why does she expect the people of the Province to

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS MICHAEL: pay through their teeth for her pet project while deficits

are ballooning and government will be adding to the debt?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER DUNDERDALE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, here we go again. The Leader of the NDP is really going to have

to stop pretending that she does not understand the fiscal structure of the

Province. Mr. Speaker, I have challenged the Leader of the NDP to tell us where

in the 2012-2013 Budget, where five cents of that Budget is associated with

Muskrat Falls, Mr. Speaker. She has yet to respond to the challenge, Mr.

Speaker. I ask her again to show the people of Newfoundland and Labrador how

2012-2013 and when we get the Budget for 2013-2014 where in that Budget

there is money allocated to Muskrat Falls.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Leader of the Third Party.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I point out to the Premier that if we are spending billions of dollars

which we are, and will have to borrow for our equity in Muskrat Falls that is

having an effect on the economy of this Province and on the backs of the people

of this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS MICHAEL: Mr. Speaker, in June of 2011, economist Dr. Wade Locke warned

of looming government deficits, saying: we do not need to face a crisis, but we

do have to plan to avoid one. Obviously government did not listen, and here we

are. Today, we read Dr. Locke warning government once more, this time not to do

anything drastic in trying to deal with the very crisis he warned them to plan

to avoid.

So I ask the Premier: Will the Premier let the public know exactly how

drastic are the targets she has set for cuts to government departmental

spending?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We do not do things in secret like the Leader of the NDP wants to, Mr.

Speaker. What we do, we are doing in public. We have decided to hire Dr. Locke

to avail of his expertise, Mr. Speaker, and that is what we are doing.

Last year there was a ten-year debt-reduction plan outlined. We reduced our

spending by it to 1 per cent, Mr. Speaker

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. KENNEDY: and what we are trying to do is ensure unlike the NDP;

spend, spend, spend and forget tomorrow, that is what their plans are all about,

Mr. Speaker, if you call that a plan. Our plan is to provide for a bright,

prosperous, and sustainable future for this Province, Mr. Speaker, and on Budget

day it will all become clear.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Leader of the Third Party.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS MICHAEL: Mr. Speaker, last fall government stopped at nothing to

ensure it got its Muskrat Falls Project started. Now we are facing a fiscal

crisis created by the same government.

Mr. Speaker, I ask the Premier: Knowing this crisis was looming for the

people of the Province, why would she commit us to a ruinously expensive project

that will not produce adequate revenues for many years.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Finance.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Since she obviously will not take anything we have to say about the fact that

the deficit is not related to Muskrat Falls, I would suggest that she read

@TelegramJames' blog. It is all outlined there. He sat down with officials in

the Department of Finance, Mr. Speaker, and all she has to do is read the blog.

It is all there in black and white. We will even give you a briefing.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Member for St. John's Centre.

MS ROGERS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, in 2006 government released its Provincial Wellness Plan

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MS ROGERS: with much fanfare, even including Olympic gold medal winner

Brad Gushue. It promised much.

Expert staff in Health and Community Services addressed long neglected

crucial issues affecting the health of the people of our Province. Last week,

the minister terminated key positions in this department: health promotion

consultant, nutrition consultant, environmental health consultant, and injury

prevention consultant the backbone of this plan.

I ask the minister: How can she possibly fulfill the commitments of the

Provincial Wellness Plan with these drastic cuts?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we are into the spin again. It just goes round and round and

round and round. She comes into the House they talk about sustainability in

this House over and over again. Sustainable health care if you do not do

something about the health care system, it is never going to survive. Mr.

Speaker, we heard that time and time again in the last session of the House of

Assembly.

What are you going to do about the sustainability of the health care

programs? What are you going to do about sustainability in our hospitals? What

are you going to do about sustainability? Mr. Speaker, they want to continue to

spend; we want to find efficient ways to deliver quality services. We are doing

just that, Mr. Speaker; it is very apparent.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for St. John's Centre.

MS ROGERS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

What a difference a day makes. Yesterday in this House, the minister stood up

and praised the work of her staff for National Nutrition Month, yet has

terminated one of only two provincial nutrition consultants.

We have among the highest rates of chronic diseases, diabetes, heart disease

and other health issues. Health prevention does save us money.

I ask the minister: How can she guarantee this work be done if she is pushing

people with expertise out the door?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, we are more than concerned about health and prevention in this

Province, and you only have to look at the initiatives we have in place. I do

not have time enough in thirty seconds to enumerate all of them, but I will do

that later on this afternoon, just to refresh her memory in terms of what we are

doing in terms of prevention and health care in this Province.

Mr. Speaker, I ask her, if she wants us to keep everybody and every single

position in place, what do you want me to cut in terms of programs? What

services do you want cut? That is what I want to ask you because you have talked

about sustainability. Now, you cannot have it both ways; you cannot have

sustainability and continue to spend, spend, and spend. So you tell us what your

plan is.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for St. John's East.

MR. MURPHY: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Environment and Conservation has a proposal from a company in Mount Pearl

that deals with the storage of some radioactive material. The deadline for

public comments is set for April 17. The project raises very many questions.

Does the minister plan on hosting a public forum as another way to consult

with residents of the city to alleviate any of the concerns that may arise from

this particular project? Will he be asking for an environmental preview report

on it?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HEDDERSON: Mr. Speaker, this government takes seriously any

environmental issues and we made sure we put in place an environmental

assessment that would deal with all concerns of everyone, an opportunity during

the first stage of the assessment for anyone who had anything to say about the

project or projects, to put it in writing, and to make sure it was put into

place, and again, making sure the proponent also provided all the information

that was necessary for any project to go forward.

We value our environment in Newfoundland and Labrador. We make sure as a

government that we have in place the people and the experts to deal with it. I

say, Mr. Speaker, I have confidence that we will do what we need to do to

protect the people and the environment of Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Member for St. John's East.

MR. MURPHY: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

The Natural Resources Minister said in the House yesterday that the drilling

program at Flat Bay was done under the confines of the Petroleum and Natural Gas

Act and the Petroleum Drilling Regulations, so let us talk about environment

again for a second.

Can the minister commit to making changes to drilling regulations that will

protect the public and our environment from the dangers of slick water fracking?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday, this government supports

economic development in this Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Mr. Speaker, this government supports exploration and

development of a potential oil play for the people of Western Newfoundland and

Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MARSHALL: Obviously, Mr. Speaker, in doing that we also will ensure

that any exploration, any of the development takes place in accordance with

rigorous environmental protection laws that we have in place.

Mr. Speaker, for years wells have been drilled in the world. I think there

have been 2.5 million wells drilled in the world in the last while. There has

been 175,000 wells drilled in Western Canada and they have all had hydraulic

fracking. We have regulations in our act and in the regulations

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Your time has expired.

The member has time for one quick question without

preamble.

MR. MURPHY: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

If an EIS was done for the Flat Bay project, we cannot find it. Will the

minister table the report if there is one available?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation, for a

quick response.

MR. HEDDERSON: Again, I say to the member opposite, you will not find it

because it was not done. What was done was due diligence on behalf of Natural

Resources under the act which made sure that there was no environmental damage

done. Anything that was done at that particular time was done under strict

guidance and strict regulations.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The time for Question Period has expired.

I want to just take a moment. I want to remind members of the House that

inasmuch as it may on occasion be tastefully done, it is okay to make a

reference to someone who may be in the gallery. However, it is inappropriate to

engage in any way in conversation with anyone in the gallery either to direct a

comment or to solicit a comment. I would ask members to be guided by that.

Presenting Reports by Standing

and Select Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Notices of Motion.

Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for The Straits White Bay North.

MR. MITCHELMORE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I present to the House: To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the

undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS the Western School District is considering a multi-year plan to close

Bayview Regional Collegiate at St. Lunaire Griquet in June 2013; and

WHEREAS it has been proven from students that have graduated from Bayview

Regional Collegiate, they have excelled in their studies to prepare them to move

ahead and achieve their career choices; and

WHEREAS teachers and staff at Bayview Regional Collegiate are qualified and

continue to provide a strong academic program with a full curriculum to all

students attending; and

WHEREAS Bayview Regional Collegiate has developed a playground, library,

drama club, Kids Eat Smart lunch program, school council, and other activities

with exceptional community support; and

WHEREAS Bayview Regional Collegiate housed a K-12 school in the past with

200-plus students who have had access to a science lab, cafeteria

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. MITCHELMORE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Art room, computer lab, gymnasium and extracurricular activities; and

WHEREAS the parents, business operators, social groups, concerned citizens,

and students of the Municipality of St. Lunaire Griquet request to rescind

this proposal;

Since Bayview Regional Collegiate has met and exceeded all aspects set forth

for a viable school, we the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to urge

the government to ensure that the Western School District is provided with

sufficient funding to keep Bayview Regional Collegiate at St. Lunaire Griquet

open, and as in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, the actual distance to go from L'Anse aux Meadows, through all

of the eight communities, to St. Anthony where these students are proposed to be

bused would equate to over forty-eight kilometres. The first student on that bus

run would be an hour-and-a-half on a highway that is virtually a dead zone for

cellular coverage.

We have seen in the area where busing happened in the past, when you had

multi-denominational schooling, where students were bused from Cook's Harbour to

St. Anthony and they spent a night on that cellphone-dead highway because of

weather conditions. We have had a number of them. We have had a number of school

closures on the Northern Peninsula due to lack of weather. There have been some

instances where students in St. Anthony had their schools closed but residents

of L'Anse aux Meadows to St. Lunaire Griquet could actually go to school.

There are two schools in this community of St. Lunaire Griquet and Gunners

Cove. Either one of those facilities could host 100 students of a K-12, or a K-9

system. That would be quite adequate, Mr. Speaker. With the closure of this

school and the inability of the minister and the Western School District to

actually enter in and talk to the students and the parents and the concerned

people on what this is going to mean, it is going to adversely impact people,

Mr. Speaker.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. Barbe.

MR. BENNETT: Mr. Speaker, a petition to the hon. House of Assembly of the

Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of

the undersigned humbly showeth:

WHEREAS there is no cellphone service in the Towns of St. Paul's, Cow Head,

Sally's Cove or Trout River, all of which are enclave communities of Gros Morne

National Park; and

WHEREAS there is either very poor or no cellphone service in most of Gros

Morne National Park; and

WHEREAS visitors to Gros Morne National Park, more than 100,000 annually,

expect to use cellphones when they visit the park; and

WHEREAS cellphone service is an important safety feature for numerous

travellers, hikers and others in the park; and

WHEREAS cellphone service is necessary to modern business development;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the

House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador to partner

with the private sector to extend cellphone coverage throughout Gros Morne

National Park, and the enclave within the park.

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, this is signed by people primarily from Cow Head in this

petition; a few are from St. Pauls. These are vibrant communities within Gros

Morne National Park. We are lucky to have communities in rural parts of the

Province that are doing so well. The other communities mentioned Sally's Cove

is virtually non-existent; it has fewer than twenty people.

However, in the next short while, with the proposed oil drilling and

hydraulic fracturing in the area, there will be a great upsurge in business

activity. One of the issues that you really need in a modern-day business is the

ability to have cellphone service.

The individuals in these small towns have no cellphone service or very poor

cellphone service. In the case of Cow Head, Mr. Speaker, what residents

routinely do is they get in their car and they drive a couple of kilometres out

to the head, where it has a little more elevation to use a cellphone. That does

not really seem to be a very great benefit.

In the case of St. Pauls, it is right in an inlet area. It has more than 300

people; a fairly substantial contractor is the contractor. One of the

individuals related to that company is one of the proponents in the new

high-speed Internet that is being developed throughout the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, cellphone service at one point would be similar to how we may

have looked at telephones in the past, or maybe how we would have looked at

other services. Cellphones are an important requirement today, not just an

add-on or something to think about afterwards. It is an absolute necessity. I

would urge, as these petitions urge, the House of Assembly to urge the

Government of Newfoundland and Labrador to move forward and work with the

private operators to extend cellphone service to these communities.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Burgeo La Poile.

MR. A. PARSONS: Mr. Speaker, I have a petition.

To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in

Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents humbly sheweth:

WHEREAS Newfoundland and Labrador has the highest unemployment rate in

Canada; and

WHEREAS the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador anticipate a labour

shortage of 70,000 people by 2020; and

WHEREAS eliminating the career practitioner knowledge base is contrary to

attaching people to the labour market; and

WHEREAS Employment Assistance Services (EAS) agencies are grassroots hubs in

communities providing services like skills development, resume development,

interview skills, facilitating attachment to the labour market and the

community; and

WHEREAS EAS agencies help individuals with complex needs find and maintain

employment in communities throughout the Province; and

WHEREAS EAS agencies have been serving thousands of people for years,

building expertise and rapport; and

WHEREAS loading the workload of 226 employees onto 139 Advanced Education and

Skills employees would be an overwhelming expectation, increasing staff turnover

and thus decreasing rapport with clients; and

WHEREAS EAS funding comes from the EI fund, built by workers to help them

when and where they need it most; and

WHEREAS moving services away from people who lack the means to travel long

distances is not in line with the Labour Market Development Agreement's

principle of citizen-centred service;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the

House of Assembly to urge the government of Newfoundland and Labrador to reverse

the decision to cut funding to EAS agencies in the Province.

As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.

Now, Mr. Speaker, this is just the first petition of this nature that I will

be presenting in this House and I am sure I am going to be getting plenty more,

because they are coming from all over the Province. These widespread cuts, over

200 jobs, affect every region in this Province: they affect Labrador, they

affect St. John's, they affect Port aux Basques, and they affect Central.

In fact, I had the pleasure of meeting with a number of these EAS career

practitioners last night here in the city. These workers range from Baie Verte,

Marystown, Roddickton, St. John's, and Stephenville, amongst many others. They

are here in the town and they are upset. They are upset for a number of reasons.

Number one is the obvious decision to cut their job without consultation. They

have three months notice.

The other issue is the lack of respect that has been shown by government to

the job they do when they hear the answers coming from members of the

government, particularly the minister. The fact is they provide a skill base;

they provide knowledge to these people, trying to attach them to the labour

market, one of the primary targets of this government. We have 70,000 job

shortages and we are cutting out the people who attach people to the labour

market. It seems contrary to the vision and certainly contrary to what we are

trying to do in this Province.

When the minister says they inherited the offices, well, I would say these

offices were here before you. They were here before this government. They were

here before the Career Work Centres. They have been here, in many cases, for

decades providing this base of knowledge to help people get jobs.

What they want is an opportunity to consult with them, to work to find these

efficiencies that need to be done. They want to work with government to see if

we can find a better way rather than cut them across the board.

I would say to you, Mr. Speaker, this is just the first one. We will be

presenting these on a number of occasions because they are going to be coming

from all over the place. This is just the first one. Again, keep in mind, they

want to work together.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. A. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Orders of the Day

Private Members' Day

MR. SPEAKER: This being Wednesday, Private Members' Day, and it is now

3:00 o'clock, I now call upon the Member for the District of Terra Nova to

introduce the motion that stands on the Order Paper in his name.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. S. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

If I may, before I begin with this motion, I, too, would also like to be able

to speak a moment to our colleague. It is great to see our friend and colleague,

the Member for Lewisporte, back today. He has had quite a few challenges in his

own personal life over the last number of years, and certainly the last number

of weeks especially. It is great to see him back. We are certainly here to give

him all the support we can, and I think I speak for everyone in this House when

I say that.

As legislators and politicians there is lots of things we have different

opinions on, but certainly, the importance of family is something that bonds us

all. It is a common bond we have. We all feel for him and we are keeping him in

our thoughts and prayers.

Mr. Speaker, just to read this into the record once again:

BE IT RESOLVED that this hon. House affirms that, by investing billions of

dollars since 2004 in vital infrastructure including highways

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I am assuming you are proposing the motion, seconded by

MR. S. COLLINS: Yes, I am sorry. I am proposing the motion and it is

seconded by my colleague, the Member for

AN HON. MEMBER: Mount Pearl North.

MR. S. COLLINS: Mount Pearl North. I am sorry; I always get the two

colleagues mixed up.

Mr. Speaker, if I can continue, vital infrastructure including highways,

roads, bridges, ferries, municipal and regional infrastructure, heath care

facilities and schools the government has taken the responsible approach and

promoted long-term fiscal strength and sustainability.

Mr. Speaker, I guess we all have the opportunity to stand today and speak to

this, and I think it is one of these topics that is vast and for the very fact

that it is vast, I think, speaks to what our government has done since taking

government in 2003. I will try to keep some focus on it. Because again, when you

have such a vast area to go in, sometimes you can go off on tangents. I know

there is a number of speakers going to be speaking to this today and we are

going to try to bite off bits and pieces just to get across the level of

investment we have had in infrastructure in this Province over the last number

of years.

As I said, it is certainly a pleasure to speak to this today and to introduce

it, a motion that will clearly outline the many key investments this government

has made into vital infrastructure that we see around us every day. I truly

believe that the majority of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians see this and

certainly recognize it, as it is in every corner of the Province, both here in

Newfoundland on the Island and in Labrador.

As of late, Mr. Speaker, we have been hearing a lot of overriding themes

coming from the crowd opposite, and that is that we have made reckless

investments. We have been spending recklessly. Frivolously is another word I

have heard. So, I would like to be able to address that. I know, as of late, we

have heard from both our Premier and the Minister of Finance, as well as other

members here that have had an opportunity to stand to their feet and speak to

different things over the last number of days.

We have asked quite clearly, as was just actually asked today in Question

Period, please point out where you see our spending as being frivolous or

reckless. It is one thing to call it; it is another thing to prove it. While I

am speaking today, and I will be speaking on a vast number of topics, I

encourage the Opposition to take notes. If at any point whatsoever I raise

something in the infrastructure investments that we have made, if they see that

as frivolous or reckless spending, I encourage them to get up and respond to me

after I sit down; because I would be very interested in knowing, as would many

other people.

So what we have here, just to get the lay of the land, we have an Official

Opposition who has a financial record; it is a dismal record. I think everyone

in this House remembers where we were before this government took over in 2003,

and we know the type of record that these folks have. That is why we have not

seen much of them since 2003, and there is a limited number of members across

the way.

So their record is dismal. We have acknowledged that. Most everybody here

certainly can appreciate that. Now, on the other side as well, we have the Third

Party that has no record at all. I think that speaks volumes. Again, it is quite

easy to speak to something when you have no record to stand on.

What really strikes me is that in recent days we have even heard the Official

Opposition, who has a dismal financial record, criticizing the Third Party for

their ideas. That really puts in perspective how bad the ideas and how bad these

fiscal plans that they put forward really are when you have the Official

Opposition criticizing them as well. That kind of puts a perspective around

this.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I am a person who considers myself pretty well versed in

history. I studied history in university; I taught it in high school. I really

have a firm belief that in order to know where you are going and where you are,

you have to know where you have been. So, I would like to take a little bit of

time, again, just to get the lay of the land, and to put forward some facts. I

know the crowd across the way deals with a lot of non-facts, clichs, and things

that they think appeal to different groups in the public, but I would like to

review some of the facts. As I said, I can back up all these facts. If they want

to quiz me on it after, they are certainly welcome to.

Let us take a look at what has been done since this government took office

less than a decade ago, which in the grand scheme of things, Mr. Speaker, is not

that long. Let us begin this discussion by giving an idea of what we faced when

we took government in 2003. It was a very, very different place; I can assure

you. Our people faced far greater challenges, we had a government that was

disconnected and unaccountable, and we had a people who were simply

disenfranchised and communities that were living in just a neglected state. That

is the picture of it. It was dismal it was absolutely dismal.

We inherited a significant deficit and debt, but let me speak to the deficit

we inherited and I am not only speaking of financial deficit. I am talking

about service deficits, program deficits, and infrastructure deficits. In all

facets, we had deficits. So, what exactly did we inherit, you ask? We inherited

crumbling roads I just took a couple of these, things that came to my mind

when I gave this some thought leaky roofs, and mouldy schools. We all know the

horror stories of mouldy schools in this Province; failing municipal

infrastructure; an underpaid public service sector we recognize that, and I

will speak to that in a moment - and a ferry fleet that was an embarrassment,

with no light at the end of the tunnel. It was neglected infrastructure, plain

and simple.

I would challenge you to find a province pre-2003 that was in a worse state

than Newfoundland and Labrador. I think you would be hard-pressed to do so. We

had the reputation of being the poor, destitute cousin of Confederation, and it

was with good reason, because we just simply did not have anything here. What a

sad state it was, obviously.

Think back to the times when you folks travelled. I know I did some

travelling, even though I am younger than most here, so I am probably less

travelled than many. Think about when you travelled outside the Province

pre-2003, 2004 and travelling outside; what was the perception of Newfoundland?

How did you feel when you saw other provinces and how others were doing and

compared it when you came back home? There was a huge deficit; there was a huge

difference, I would say.

This government upon election in 2003 was facing huge, daunting challenges, a

challenge that we were ready, willing, and able to face. First, we had to deal

with our financial situation, which obviously, like I said, was in a terrible

state. We did that; there were growing pains with it, but we got through that.

Then, of course, we see the light at the end of the tunnel.

When we turned that corner, Mr. Speaker, we turned that corner. As soon as we

had the financial means we began the massive uphill climb to address the vast

deficiencies in our Province. That was a huge climb.

The evidence of this investment can be seen throughout our communities and

Province, like I said, in every corner. It is no good for a member to stand to

his or her feet today and say: I do not see any investment in my district.

Clearly not true impossible.

We saw investments in our schools, not only the physical buildings, but in

our teachers and students. Highways, bridges and certainly, anytime I talk

about a bridge I like to congratulate my colleague from Placentia on the recent

announcement in his district, a huge announcement for the people.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. S. COLLINS: Just that announcement alone: $40 million into a rural

community.

AN HON. MEMBER: How much?

MR. S. COLLINS: Forty million dollars that is just one. Again,

congratulations. I know he worked hard on that, as well as the minister.

We saw huge investments in the municipal projects, cultural centres

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER (Littlejohn): Order, please!

MR. S. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Historical sites, post-secondary education facilities, as well as

unprecedented investments into our students through the best student loan

program in the country combined with lowest tuition, which has been frozen for

years, and interest-free status on the provincial portion of your student loan

huge, huge strides for students, and I certainly can appreciate that maybe more

than others as a person who is currently repaying a student loan. I hope to do a

member's statement in the coming future, very near days, when I get that paid

off. I can appreciate that first-hand, what that has done.

We saw vital investments in the hospitals, health care centres, long-term

care homes for our seniors which I will speak a little bit more about in a

moment and then there was funding for provincial ferries, airstrips, air

ambulances, new water bombers, and the list goes on and on and on, Mr. Speaker.

Since 2004, the provincial government has invested more than $5.4 billion in

infrastructure.

AN HON. MEMBER: How much?

MR. S. COLLINS: Five point four billion dollars.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. S. COLLINS: And who was that for? It was for the benefit of every

single Newfoundlander and Labradorian, while at the same time we paid down debt,

approximately $4 billion. Not only are we putting money in, we are also putting

money into our debt, which the Minister of Finance spoke about a couple of days

ago, the servicing of debt; that debt is a huge expense in itself. We have

serviced that and we paid down debt while at the same time putting huge amounts,

massive amounts of funding into infrastructure, vital infrastructure in this

Province.

Revenues from our oil and mineral resources provided this government with the

ability to address the deficits left behind by the former Administration. We

make no bones about that. Obviously, we are very thankful for the oil. It is

something that I think is going to bring us well into the future as well. With

that being said, we are not short sighted; we know there is a life span to oil,

of course, the bigger picture when it comes to our energy plan, Muskrat Falls

being massive piece of that.

Not only are we thankful for what we have, we want to make sure that we are

going to have that and be able to be sustainable into the future, and Muskrat

Falls plays a huge piece into that.

We invested heavily into essential services in infrastructure and we did so

because it was in desperate need, plain and simple. Again, these were not just

simple things. They were things that had to be done and I want to stress that:

they had to be done because they were left years without being done.

Mr. Speaker, it is the same difference. I say to the opposition members, it

is no different than if you own a house. You cannot just have a house years and

years and years and never invest into it, never put back into it, because it

will fall down around you and that is what we had.

Let us compare our Province to a house. In 2003, when we took the house over,

it was falling down. The foundation was in ruins and everything above it was not

fit. That is what we came to see. That is what was handed to us. The results,

obviously, have been substantial, Mr. Speaker, and they have been dramatic. No

matter what part of the Province you travel to, it is obvious, as I have said

before.

Let us look at some specifics. Again, this is a very huge topic and I would

like to break it down in some specific areas to talk about the funding and the

level of investment.

As Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Health and Community Services,

I get to see first hand the investments and the level of service being provided

to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador on a daily basis. I would like to

take a minute to speak about some of the investments in Health and Community

Services. I kindly ask for your patience while I touch on a couple of these.

These, of course, go back to 2003-2004.

I would say again to the Opposition Parties: sharpen your pencil. As soon as

I strike anything that you believe is frivolous or reckless spending, I would

kindly ask you to make a note and when you get up after me, you would have your

say. That is what I look forward to.

Let's talk about new health care facilities since 2003-2004. We have

developed and constructed eight new health care facilities. Humberwood

Addictions Centre in Corner Brook, construction complete; Labrador West health

centre, construction ongoing; Corner Brook acute care, planning ongoing;

Paradise Youth Treatment Centre, construction ongoing; Grand Falls-Windsor Youth

Treatment Centre, construction ongoing; and Strait of Belle Isle Health Centre,

construction ongoing. You can see the massive amount of investment we have and

all of these projects that are up-and-coming: Green Bay health centre, planning

ongoing.

Then we have Glovertown clinic, which is near and dear to my heart,

construction is ongoing. I hope in the next few months we are going to see that

place open, which I really look forward to. It was something that was

desperately needed.

If I can just put my district lens on this, I am very intimately familiar

with Glovertown and the state that clinic was in, and the level of mould that

was downstairs. This is where we were sending our sick people to get treatment,

to a mouldy clinic. This government recognized that and put the investment into

it. After it is all said and done, the building is going to probably be

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

CHAIR: Order, please!

MR. S. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The building is probably going to run in the ballpark of $1.5 million to $2

million, I would imagine.

Let's talk about new long-term care and community support facilities since

2003-2004. We have developed and are constructing nine new long-term care

facilities nine new long-term care facilities. I will give an example of some

of these: Corner Brook Long-Term Care Facility, construction complete; Corner

Brook Protective Community Residences, construction complete; Clarenville

long-term care facility, construction complete; and North Haven Manor,

Lewisporte, construction complete. I look at the Member for Lewisporte and I

know that was something he was very proud of, and so he should be. It is a great

facility.

Happy Valley-Goose Bay Long-Term Care facility, construction complete; St.

John's long-term care facility, construction ongoing; as well as the Carbonear

long-term care facility, Clarenville protective care residences, and the

Bonavista protective community residences. So many projects, either done or

under construction.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I want to speak on a few other things. I know my time is

getting low. It is funny, when you try to prepare a speech you want to try to

stay within your confines of fifteen minutes. That is what I have here, and I am

down actually now to just one minute. I will have an opportunity. The greatest

thing about standing up and introducing a motion is having another opportunity

to stand on your feet. I will get back in a little bit, but I will take the last

minute just to go over some more health investments.

We have invested over $500 million since 2003-2004 for renovations and

equipment; renovations and repairs making up $200 million and capital equipment

approximately $300 million. Health care investments touch every single person in

this Province. I do not have to ask someone, I can tell you. I can guarantee it

touches every single person. From the time you are born to the time of your

passing, you are touched by the health care system. These investments are key

and the fact is they were neglected for years and years.

I used the example of the Glovertown clinic with mould in the basement. That

really sums it up. That is a small, small piece of the bigger problem that we

had to face us when we took government in 2003.

Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to the Opposition having an opportunity to

stand up now and tell me exactly where this frivolous spending was because I

would like to know what we should not have done. Let's not talk about anything

else. Let's take this opportunity and give us your advice. I kindly seek it.

With that, I will take my seat and I look forward to the opportunity to get

up once again.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

If you want to look at frivolous spending, I say to the member, look to the

left with the Parliamentary Assistant to the Office of Public Engagement. If you

want to start, just look to your left.

I say to the member, when you stand up and say the long-term care facility is

complete in Corner Brook, I say to the member the Member for Humber West, do

you know what his number one priority is in Corner Brook this year? It is to get

the last wing of the long-term care facility open. You do not even know what you

are talking about.

If you want to talk about

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I remind the hon. member, I ask him to address the Chair.

MR. JOYCE: Can you tell him, he does not know what he is talking about?

MR. SPEAKER: I ask you to address the Chair, please. Keep the

personalities out of it, please.

MR. JOYCE: I will.

MR. SPEAKER: Thank you, Sir.

MR. JOYCE: Thank you.

If you want to talk about some frivolous spending, let's talk about the $30

million spent up in Parsons Pond to drill two holes for nothing. Let's talk

about the $11 million to the pellet plant down there going nowhere, against all

the officials. Everybody said no, do not do it except who made that decision?

The day the Premier of the Province who was the minister at the time.

Let's talk about the office in Ottawa, millions upon millions spent for

someone to pick up the newspaper, Mr. Speaker. Let's talk about the $200 million

boondoggle out in Abitibi, out in Grand Falls. Do you want me to keep going?

Let's talk about the $12 million for a Rural Secretariat that no one even

knows what they are doing around here, not a soul. Let's talk about the

Department of Business that spent $30 million that we had very, very hot not

one job or one business brought in this Province, Mr. Speaker. That is $283

million right there off the top of my head. That is not even counting the

billion dollars that was promised for the hospital in Corner Brook that is not

even spent yet.

Mr. Speaker, I will get back to the motion that was put forward. It is

talking about bridges, ferries

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. JOYCE: - long-term sustainability. Long-term sustainability, Mr.

Speaker, that is put in here.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot pass on the comment that was made yesterday by the

Premier who is offering us, the Opposition, a lecture on debt and deficit. The

same Premier who announced there was going to be a $4 billion deficit in the

next three years. t reminds me of the fox going to show the chickens how to

build a chicken coop. It is just amazing how the Premier could actually stand up

and do it. It is amazing.

Mr. Speaker, you want to talk about the $5 billion infrastructure program

that the member so proudly stood up and announced the $5 billion. Guess what,

Mr. Speaker? When the Auditor General went into this government and asked this

government: show me your plan, how we spent the priority, see if you could save

money. Guess what? There is no plan. How was it spent? We do not know. That is

what the Auditor General himself, Wayne Loveys, said.

We do not know. We do not know if the money was spent in the most efficient

way. We do not know if the priorities we do not know where all the money went.

That is what the Auditor General said. Mr. Speaker, not only did the Auditor

General say that, Loveys filed a formal complaint with the House of Assembly

citing denial of access.

If you want to talk about the cone of silence: this was before Bill 29; just

imagine how bad the secrecy in this government is now. When the Auditor General

of this Province, who is hired by this government, cannot get access, Mr.

Speaker, to how money is spent, and you want me to support a motion put here?

You want me to support a motion?

Mr. Speaker, I will just go through it. Just say I wanted to support this.

For some reason the Member for Bay of Islands wants to support this, Mr.

Speaker. I may look at this here the long-term sustainability. If I want to

support this, I will get some people mad at me. I will explain who I will get

mad at me and I do not want people mad at me; I like people liking me.

You know the ones who will get mad at me? I do not want the Premier the

Premier said: this is not sustainable; we have to reign in our spending. How can

you, the member standing up here, put in a motion of long-term sustainability

when the Premier stands up and says it is not sustainable it is just not

sustainable?

Who do I want to be mad at me? The Premier of the Province who says this

what we were doing is wrong, it is not sustainable or the Member for Terra

Nova? I think I am going to pick the Premier because I cannot vote for this here

today anyway. I think I am going to pick the Premier.

Mr. Speaker, and also my good friend the Member for Humber East, the Minister

of Natural Resources; I do not want him mad at me. The former Minister of

Finance, the Member for Humber East, on December 14, 2012, said the government

needs to cut because the current plans are unsustainable.

Seeing we are in a neighbouring district, I do not want you mad at me. That

is what you said: it is unsustainable. That was December 14, 2012, three months

ago.

MR. SPEAKER: I remind the member to speak to the Chair.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, the Member for Terra Nova I cannot support

something that the Minister of Finance does not agree with, that the Premier of

the Province does not agree with; I am sorry, I cannot support it.

Take a guess: who else cannot support it, Mr. Speaker? Take a guess at who

else cannot support it. A former PC candidate who got $150,000 to do a report

for the department over at Advanced Education and Skills, which we are not going

to use because John Noseworthy called the level of recent spending of the

government unsustainable.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, John Noseworthy, the former Auditor General said that. I do

not want John Noseworthy mad at me, so I say to the Member for Terra Nova: I

cannot vote for it because this is just too many people too many people who

are saying in this Province, that what you are doing is unsustainable. It is

unsustainable, Mr. Speaker.

It is easy to stand up, the Member for Terra Nova, and say one thing when you

have the Premier, the Minister of Finance, the former Auditor General, Mr.

Speaker, saying it is unsustainable and they would even vote against this here

if they believed in what they said earlier.

Mr. Speaker, I will just keep it going now. I ask the Member for Conception

Bay East Bell Island, when you look at this report: how are you doing with the

ferries over on Bell Island, because part of this here says the ferries. How are

you doing with the ferries?

Get up. I am sure the people from your area would love for you to stand up

and tout this government on the great ferry replacement

schedule that they got

elected in 2003. I am sure you are going to stand up. I am sure you are going to

stand up now and say: listen, I think the ferry

schedule that we have in here,

the replacement

schedule which they made commitments, which we made

commitments, which we did not follow through, which we promised people; we never

followed through, but I am going to stand up and vote because I am told to do

it.

That is a good way to do it here today now: stand up and talk about the ferry

schedule. You will have your opportunity to speak. You stand up; you stand up

and talk about the ferry schedule, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, there is another one I forgot. I forgot about this one. I have

to backtrack a bit. I was so excited that I forgot about this one another one

who feels that the spending is unsustainable and why I cannot vote for them. It

is the same person who is just getting hired

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

It is an unacceptable noise level. I ask members to be a little more

attentive to the speaker.

Thank you.

MR. JOYCE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, there is another one I

MS SULLIVAN: (Inaudible).

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Health is saying something. The

only thing I want you to say is when the hospital is going to start, when the

tender is going start on construction. Anything else, you can say it, but right

now that is all I am talking about is the hospital in Corner Brook. If you

really want to stand up I will even give up my last five minutes, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: I remind the hon. member to speak to the Chair.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, the one I forgot was Wade Locke unsustainable,

predicted a decade of annual deficits. Now, they just hired him for $75,000 to

come in and say here is what you are doing wrong. He is the same one who said

that, and you want me to vote for this here and have the Premier upset with me

and the Minister of Natural Resources upset with me. Who else? Have the former

Auditor General, John Noseworthy, and now have Wade Locke mad at me. I cannot

have it, so I have to vote against it.

If you look at the ferry service ask the member for Coast of Bays. How is

the ferry service down your way? Ask the member for Coast of Bays, Mr. Speaker,

is she going to vote for this here and talk about the great replacement ferry

strategy they have here now, with the calls down there where the people could

not get on a man injured down there could not even get on the helicopter

because he could not even lay down. Yes, I would love to see them stand up and

say the great ferry replacement strategy here today, Mr. Speaker. It is great to

see that all of them are going to jump up now and just pad the desk, push the

desk, and knowing that the ferry replacement schedule, which was brought in in

2003, was not followed through it was not followed through, Mr. Speaker. It

just did not keep up.

In the bridges, Mr. Speaker, when the Auditor General said there is no plan

for inspection for the bridges across the Province, or replacement schedule. You

want to talk about all this and you want to talk about all this going on, Mr.

Speaker. When the Auditor General herself and Mr. Speaker, if you want to talk

about some ways you should spend money, let us look at the hospital in Corner

Brook. Something that was committed back in 2007 not done. Not even to the

tender

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. JOYCE: I know, Mr. Speaker, it is hard for them to listen to the

truth over there, let me tell you. It is pretty hard, but I guarantee you, this

is one member who is not going to stand here and be challenged by the Member for

Terra Nova saying give us some examples. I just gave over $300 million examples

of wasted government and Mr. Speaker, do not get me started on the number of

PC appointments that are in this government that is wasting government funds.

Now, all of a sudden, all these people, oh we do not need them we do not need

them.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask members to be considerate of the speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, I find it very frustrating when I bring up facts

and you get shouted down. Especially when you bring up the hospital in Corner

Brook, which is very near and dear to my heart, Mr. Speaker. I just hope one

thing. I asked them, VOCM, CBC or The Telegram , do not put it on a poll

if the hospital should be built because we will lose, I guarantee you. We will

end up losing. I will lose because when they are stacking the polls, Mr.

Speaker, I guarantee you that, I hope it do not go on-line.

That is why if you look at the hospital in Corner Brook, Mr. Speaker, the

hospital is one thing that I advocated and I know the members advocated. You can

advocate, but there is nothing done by this government. We started back in 2007

when the shovel was put in the ground and construction was going to start. We

turned around and it was said the construction was going to start in 2011, and

it was not just before the election. In 2012, we said oh, we are starting the

design work, under Estimates; the design work is not done.

We turned around then in 2012 again, Mr. Speaker, when we went through the

Estimates, it was not done. Then we had the Premier meet with the city council,

telling the city council of Corner Brook if it is $500 million or $600 million,

it is not on. Mr. Speaker, I challenged the Member for Humber West three days

ago he was at the meeting. It is time for him to stand on his feet and say

that Councillor Leo Bruce mislead the people in Corner Brook and mislead

everybody by going public and saying that the Premier made a statement if it is

$500 million or $600 million, it is not on. Here is your opportunity. This is

the third time I gave him that opportunity.

Mr. Speaker, the funny part about it, the next day there was another

MS SULLIVAN: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services, on a

point of order.

MS SULLIVAN: Mr. Speaker, while the member opposite is up there talking

about delays in doing what is the right thing for the people of the Western

portion of this Province, I just want to point out that this is not something

that I wanted to put out there, but let's add some clarification to this debate.

Stephenville -

MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of order.

Thank you.

MS SULLIVAN: Well, Mr. Speaker, I believe that I am (inaudible).

Thanks for your ruling.

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, if I thought she was going to announce a tender I

would stay down.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JOYCE: Mr. Speaker, all I have to say here is I cannot support this

motion. After $300 million of this waste of money, I cannot support long-term

sustainability.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is a lively afternoon here in the House of Assembly, I can assure you.

During the last few months we have been working very hard on this side of the

House. I can tell you that my Cabinet colleagues and I have been working very

hard since the House last sat in December.

I think the crowd over there must have been doing dancing lessons, Mr.

Speaker, because they have learned how to do the twist, I can tell you that.

They have been learning how to do the twist and they are getting really good at

it.

We are paying attention to the twist they are trying to put on things over

there, Mr. Speaker. I do not mind at all, standing up here and talking about the

investments that we made in Newfoundland and Labrador. I do not mind at all

talking about it and telling the people of Newfoundland and Labrador about the

good investments we have made.

If the Member for Bay of Islands wants to talk about ferries, I would be more

than glad to talk about ferries. I had a chance

AN HON. MEMBER: Talk about the hospital.

MR. DAVIS: I will talk about the hospital; I sure will. I will get to

that.

I had a chance in Question Period today to mention about ferries. I am glad

he wants to talk about investments in ferries. We do have a vessel replacement

program underway in which we are investing millions of dollars for new vessels

and new services for the Province, to improve the services of the Province and

to provide those very much needed services for the people of Newfoundland and

Labrador.

Much unlike they did, Mr. Speaker, because their Vessel Replacement Strategy

was a vessel called the Nonia . We all know the Nonia , and I think

everyone in the Province knows about the Nonia . They should know about

the Nonia . It was only last month that we decommissioned the Nonia .

It was a vessel that was purchased by the previous Liberal government for just

over $1 million; $1.2 million, bought in Estonia to be brought to Newfoundland

and Labrador.

They were going to spend $1 million to Canadianize it, and they were going to

have it in service in eighteen to twenty-four months. Mr. Speaker, that never

happened. They spent their $1.2 million, and when we came into government we are

still trying to wrestle with the burden that we had known as the Nonia .

It ended up costing $9.8 million to put that vessel in operation. Since then,

we have spent $19 million on required refits. Every year ferries in Newfoundland

and Labrador, and rightfully so, which Transport Canada, who is the regulator

they have very strict regulations to ensure safety, the safety of the vessels,

the people who operate the vessels on a daily basis, and the people who ride on

them for very necessary transportation purposes. The regulator every year does

inspections. We have to follow regulations and do a refit, an annual refit and

repairs.

This year, the vessel went in. This past summer, in July, the Nonia

went in for refit. When a vessel goes in for a refit, there are times they

found that the steel was too thin, is what happened. I questioned: I wonder why

is the steel too thin? It is below the requirements of Transport Canada. Why is

it too thin?

It turns out it was too thin when they bought it, but Transport Canada had

provided an exemption because it was a different strength of steel. They agreed

to that. Transport Canada now has said: We are not going to allow this any more.

Any of the steel there would have to be replaced. Nine million dollars it would

cost to return that vessel to operation.

The officials in my department, who I will say have tremendous experience in

ferries, refits, ferry operations, repairs and maintenance, told me it is going

to cost $2 million a year for the next five years to keep that in operation.

That is $19 million to get five more years out of it. That is why I made the

decision that we cannot continue to do that.

The two new vessels that we purchased, the first two new vessels that were

provided in the Province in twenty years, the Grace Sparkes and the

Hazel McIsaac , were $27.5 million each. So we are going to fix up the

rustbucket, the problem we had, the Nonia, or we are going to make good

investments in new vessels.

What we have done is we have announced we are going to build a couple of new

vessels. We are going to build another forty-two metre vessel, a swing vessel

similar to the Grace Sparkes and Hazel McIsaac . We are going to

build a vessel to replace the Captain Earle W. Winsor . It is the largest

boat we have, by the way, and it provides services to the people of Fogo Island

and Change Islands. That is what we are doing, Mr. Speaker.

I tell you, the hon. Member for Bay of Islands over there decided to talk

about the Bell Island service. Let me talk a little bit about the Bell Island

service because I can tell you that the member on this side of the House who

represents the people of Bell Island, he and I had many discussion about

ferries. I know how important the ferry service is to him. He has taken a lot of

time when opportunities present themselves to educate me in the necessities of

the service, the importance of the service, and also about the peaks and valleys

of the service. That happens with a lot of services.

The Member for The Isles of Notre Dame and I had many conversations about the

Fogo Island-Change Islands service as well. The Member for Terra Nova, we have

regular discussions about the service for St. Brendan's, as an example, and that

occurs. I thank them for their patience, their support, and also for the

information they provide to me.

You know, back in the days of the government over there, when the Liberal

government was in power, they had two ferries. Currently, there are two ferries

running on Bell Island. We had two ferries there when we had the assets

available to put on there. Back in those days, they only had two ferries nine

months of the year. For three months of the year they had to rely on a single

ferry. I can tell you, back in the days when the Liberals operated the service

and the Member for Conception Bay East Bell Island just enlightened me on

this; I was not aware of it before - back in those days, there were thirteen

crossings a day to get people from Bell Island to Portugal Cove. Today, the

regular

schedule is to be twenty or twenty-one, or twenty-two crossings on a

regular day.

Mr. Speaker, I would say to you: that is a significantly better service than

was ever provided to them before. As a matter of fact, we had a chat about the

economy, the importance of the economy and the difference the economy is having

on the people on Bell Island.

He was telling me this is anecdotal from the hon. member back in those

days there were 230 commuters who used to commute daily to cross Portugal Cove

to the Northeast Avalon for work. Today that number is over 500 a day - 500 a

day - and I think that speaks volumes, Mr. Speaker, to the economy of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

The Member for the Bay of Islands also mentioned hospitals. I am going to

tell you now about hospitals and the way they used to do business. The first

announcement for Stephenville hospital actually occurred in April of 1989; back

in 1989 when the Liberals were in government, the Premier of the day announced

there was going to be a new hospital in Stephenville.

The elections in 1993, 1996, 1999 guess what happened?

AN HON. MEMBER: Nothing.

MR. DAVIS: Nothing. Then, the Premier of the day, Premier Tobin, was

Premier of the day from Stephenville, actually and nothing happen with that

promise. That is right; all of those years. Construction finally occurred in

2001-2002 and then it opened on the eve of the election in October

AN HON. MEMBER: During the election.

MR. DAVIS: During the election. During the election campaign the hospital

finally opened; 1989 to 2003 1989 to 2003. I am told when it opened there was

still plaster on the walls, there were no locks on the doors, but they rushed to

get it open.

MR. JOYCE: A point of order.

MR. SPEAKER: On a point of order, the hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.

MR. JOYCE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just heard the comments that the

member made about another hospital. That is why this Member for the Bay of

Islands is staying on top of the hospital in Corner Brook, to ensure that it is

done the fastest and the best way possible, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of order. Thank you.

The hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I try not to interrupt the hon. member too often, but he is quite an expert

in points of order, because he does it every day, and does it every day to try

and use up other members' speaking time. So, if that is the way we are going to

operate, then that is fine. That is his right to do that, and I respect it, and

if he wants to use up my time, then that is fine as well.

The member opposite also talked about bridges. Let me tell you about bridges

for a minute, Mr. Speaker, because we have 807 bridges that my department is

responsible for throughout this Province 807 bridges. I will tell you, bridges

are pretty important, because the highways and roadways that cross over bridges

are not much use without those bridges. I will tell you what, they are pretty

important to us.

I am going to tell you, Mr. Speaker, in ten years previous to us coming into

power, in ten years previous to 2004, when the members opposite were in power

and I will talk about what we did, don't you worry. I know what the member

opposite likes for us to talk about: do not talk about the history of them, talk

about what we did. So, it is good to put it in perspective, Mr. Speaker, good to

put it in perspective.

Fifty-six structures underwent improvements; fifty-six out of 807 had some

improvement. I am going to tell you, Mr. Speaker, in the last ten years are

you ready? $36 million we spent on bridge repairs and $154 million on bridge

replacements. That is almost $200 million, and of those, we have either repaired

or replaced 267 bridges in Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker 267 bridges.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: That improvement of those bridges is about the safety of the

people of the Province. It is about the safety and usefulness of those

structures for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. So, just to recap: ten

years previous ten years previous to that, fifty-six.

So, you can imagine the piece of infrastructure that we inherited. When our

government came into power ten years ago, we had to make significant investments

to try to improve on our bridges and our roads in order to bring them up to a

standard that would be useable.

We are still doing it. Of 807 bridges, we have done 267, which is a

significant amount, but there is still work to be done on those investments. I

ask the hon. members opposite if they would like to identify some bridges maybe

in their own districts that they do not want us to upgrade or repair. Maybe we

can take them off our future list that we have for doing bridge work around the

Province.

I would like to point out as well, Mr. Speaker, while it is on my mind

because the Member for Bay of Islands made a suggestion that the Auditor General

could not find out where we spent the money. He did not know where the money

went.

I say, again, back to their dancing lessons; there is a twist again, Mr.

Speaker, a twist on the facts.

AN HON. MEMBER: A significant twist.

MR. DAVIS: A very significant twist, because the Auditor General knew

exactly where the funding was spent. That was not his concern at all, but he

knew exactly where it was spent. For the hon. member to get up here and

misconstrue the Auditor General and his findings is sad. It is unfortunate, but

that is the way he wants to do his job and I am fine with that.

Recently, when I first went into the Department of Transportation and Works,

I went out with the Member for St. George's Stephenville East. I went out to

the Searston Gut Bridge out on the West Coast of the Province.

I am going to tell you, you want to see an important event for a community.

We went out there to open a new bridge. The whole community came out almost $5

million investment in rural Newfoundland and Labrador. They came out; they

brought a bagpiper with them. The whole town came out and I never saw so much

appreciation and excitement in a community on an opening of a bridge before.

They bag piped us across the bridge. One of the Cormiers, a very talented

family, well known on the West Coast, bag piped us across the bridge to the

jubilation, excitement, and the pleasure of the people of the community.

When we got over it, we were going to do a ribbon cutting, and I can tell you

we were so caught up in it that we did not do the ribbon cutting until we got to

the other side. Then the people of the community all wanted a piece of that

ribbon to remember the day that the new bridge opened. You talk about

appreciation for an investment, almost a $5 million investment for people of a

community who had been separated by the loss of this structure in their own

community.

We went to a community hall.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. DAVIS: It was hosted by the people of the community. Went to a

community hall, they had a big celebration. Then they say: are you going to be

here Saturday night for the dance? Saturday night, they held a big dance in

celebration.

That is what infrastructure is all about, especially in rural Newfoundland

and Labrador. I think we should open all our bridges and all our buildings now

with a bagpiper, because I am going to tell you, it was a great celebration.

They clearly, clearly demonstrated how important an event that was to them.

I spoke to a lady just a couple of days ago, just this week, Mr. Speaker, and

this past weekend she traveled from the North East Avalon to the West Coast and

back, across the Trans Canada Highway. She made a point of saying to me that she

noticed the good condition of our highway and how much better it is now than it

has been in the decades gone by. The one that she mentioned was the Sir Robert

Bond Bridge across the Exploits River. That is a critical piece of

infrastructure.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. DAVIS: I can tell you the member for the area there has also taken

the time to come speak to me, as a lot of members do always like to come talk

to me about their districts. He has clearly articulated the importance of it.

It was upgraded in 2011; there is a new bridge, a two-year project underway,

and we look forward to the completion of that in 2015. Mr. Speaker, that is part

of the infrastructure work and investment we are making, and I tell you, we make

no apologies for the investments that we have made for the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BALL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is certainly a privilege to stand here and address this PMR today. What we

have heard, I think, in the last half hour or so, or forty-five minutes now, has

been really, when you look back, there have been a lot of examples given about

where this Province was back in 2003. For some reason, the government is now

taking the position that they want to go back there as some starting point or

something. What they always talk about is that they have had to rebuild the

Province or the infrastructure deficit that was actually in this Province at the

time.

Typically when you talk about when you inherit a deficit problem or you

inherit anything at all that would cost you money, you would also look at and

give credit where credit is due, and I think it would be time that you would

say: when we came into this, what else did we inherit? There was no question,

and I have said it before, that in 2003 you were left with revenues in the $4

billion range and expenses in the same area. We did have a balanced budget;

there were some deficits, only minor compared to the deficits that we are

talking about today.

There are some things that happened leading up to 2003 that for some reason

the members opposite do not really talk about a lot. For some reason, we do not

hear people talking about Hibernia. We do not hear members opposite talk about

Terra Nova, White Rose, or the work that was done with Vale Inco. They do not

want to talk about it.

There was one member opposite who spoke a few days ago about the 4,000 jobs

that are currently in Long Harbour. Who signed that deal in Long Harbour with

Vale Inco? Was it the members opposite, I ask, Mr. Speaker?

MS JONES: No.

MR. BALL: It was not. It was not the current government. This was an

inheritance. This was an inheritance that this government and they were

willing to quite gladly accept it. The same as it was for Terra Nova, the same

as it was for Hibernia, and the same for White Rose. Those particular projects

have generated significant dollars for this government to use as they rebuilt

this Province over the last number of years.

Today's PMR, however, is about sustainability. How is it that we address

those problems we have inherited, as they say? How do we address that in a

sustainable fashion? Mr. Speaker, the same ability is not about how you react to

a particular issue. It is about how you support a decision that you made. It is

about making the decision that can last for the long term.

If you go back and look at the history of oil royalties in our Province and

the impact it has had on our budgets as it impacts the amount of money that we

have had to spend, I want to bring up some numbers for you, Mr. Speaker. Back in

2003 and 2004, does anybody know what we received in oil royalties? Well, it was

about $127 million.

In 2004-2005, it was about $265 million. In 2005-2006, it was $532 million.

In 2006-2007, it was $423 million. Listen to this number now, in 2007-2008, $1.7

billion. In 2008-2009, it was $2.2 billion. In 2009-2010, it was $2.1 billion.

In 2010-2011, it was $2.4 billion. In 2011-2012, it was $2.8 billion, with an

estimate of about $2.2 billion. On that inheritance right there, that totals

about $15 billion; $7.4 billion of that has been generated since 2010-2011.

I would challenge anybody, any of the members opposite, to pick up any of

those agreements and show me where they have had an influence, show me where

they have had impact on generating that revenue. Where is it? It is not there.

I will say, unlike some people who have spoken today, there is a time to give

credit where credit is due. As I look at the Minister of Finance, back in 1985

there was a significant event that happened for this Province. Of course, that

was the Atlantic Accord. From all of that, we see a lot of the work that was

done here. That set the framework for a lot of the major deals that were done.

It was Liberal governments that actually brought those deals to a close and it

was Liberal governments that are responsible for generating those oil royalties.

In the future, we do not know what the future holds, but Hebron will probably

have a significant impact on where we will go. Hebron will contribute to the

economy of the Province, not just about jobs. We certainly hope that is a

successful project and that it will generate oil royalties, although the royalty

regime has changed for Hebron.

Mr. Speaker, these are just examples of where it takes a succession of

governments to actually create the successes that we have had today. This was

not about the hard work of the members opposite. This was not about that. This

was about the hard work of predecessors for this particular government. They did

inherit some challenges that they had to address, but I can guarantee you they

were given a big chequebook to be able to do it with and they were given a big

bank account to be able to do it with.

MS JONES: All together, how much is that on Liberal deals?

MR. BALL: That is about $15 billion.

MS JONES: About $15 billion.

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, sustainability, as I said, is about support.

Today, we have heard over recent weeks about the decisions and how do we contain

our spending. What do we do to control spending to what they call sustainable

levels?

This week, I had the opportunity to speak to a young man from the Province

who told me his story. His story was that six years ago he was recruited by this

particular government to come back home. As he called it, I got the call to come

back from Alberta. He answered that call. Two Fridays ago he received another

call. He told me the call was to go back to Alberta. The call to go back to

Alberta though, was not a decision he wanted to make. It was a decision he had

to make, simply because he was one of the individuals who has been let go. He is

now looking for work back in Alberta.

Six years ago he made a decision to come back home, to come back to the place

where he always wanted to live. He did that thinking his own life and his

paycheque were sustainable, but that is not the case. When he came back, he took

a job and worked hard for six years.

As a matter of fact, he has

helped people transition in to a new workplace for them, but his job was not

sustainable. That is what he is being told right now. The mortgage that he has

on his house is not sustainable with his current paycheque. The car that he has

to deal with he has to tell his family now that I am heading back to Alberta.

Back to Alberta because

MR. KENNEDY: Why didn't he get a job here?

MR. BALL: He could not get a job here, I say to the Minister of Finance.

He has made a decision now, and he has lost confidence. He has lost confidence

in this and now he has the decision made to go back to Alberta. It is a decision

that he has made.

AN HON. MEMBER: It is his choice.

MR. BALL: Exactly; it is his choice. It was his choice to come home

because he felt that the decisions, the workplace, and the job that he had

accepted would be there for the long haul, but this thirty-year-old gentleman

right now is heading back. In his case, like I said, he was recruited, asked to

come home, and he has done this and made a decision to live here.

I also want to talk a little bit about debt. We talk a lot about debt right

now. I mentioned in this House a few days ago that it took us about fifty years

to get to a debt of $9 billion. In 1997, the net debt in the Province was about

$7.2 billion. In 2003, that net debt was about $10.6 billion. This year, the

projected net debt is to be just under $9 billion about $8.9 billion. The

issue here if you take the current deficits that this government is now

forecasting at $4 billion over the next three years, we will see net debt at a

level higher than they were back in 2003.

Right now, this government were given huge opportunities over the last ten

years, they were given access to oil royalties like we have never seen before in

the history of this Province, and they were given the ability to actually grow

this to be sustainable and manage the growth.

One of the things that you talk about when you manage growth in your

province, you ask yourself: How do we demonstrate that; how is it shown?

Typically, when you look at a province that is said to be doing good and these

are good times, you ask yourself: What is the unemployment rate in that

province? That is a key indicator into Canada right now. We compare ourselves to

other provinces. This is what we do.

Well, last week when the numbers were released, again province by province,

what happened? Again, we find ourselves as a Province here in Newfoundland and

Labrador we are, at unemployment rates, the highest in Canada. It is the highest

rates in Canada.

This is an area that we were never proud of. This is a position that we held

for a number of years. Through all the discussion that we have had and all the

good times that we have had and everything that we hear in a positive way when

you speak to people in a lot of the areas in our Province, what they are knowing

is that we are now currently unemployed to the highest rates that we have in

this country.

Mr. Speaker, I spoke about the debt, and there is no question that you have

to manage your debt and you have to do it in a sustainable fashion. You do not

put what you want to be sustainable prog

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