Manitoba Hansard — 5 March 2025 (Sitting 21, 43rd Legislature, 2nd Session)

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Second Session – Forty-Third Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Official Report (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Tom Lindsey Speaker Vol. LXXIX No. 21 - 1:30 p.m., Wednesday, March 5, 2025 ISSN 0542-5492

MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-Third Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ASAGWARA, Uzoma, Hon. Union Station NDP BALCAEN, Wayne Brandon West PC BEREZA, Jeff Portage la Prairie PC BLASHKO, Tyler Lagimodière NDP BRAR, Diljeet Burrows NDP BUSHIE, Ian, Hon. Keewatinook NDP BYRAM, Jodie Agassiz PC CABLE, Renée, Hon. Southdale NDP CHEN, Jennifer Fort Richmond NDP COMPTON, Carla Tuxedo NDP COOK, Kathleen Roblin PC CROSS, Billie Seine River NDP DELA CRUZ, Jelynn Radisson NDP DEVGAN, JD McPhillips NDP EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FONTAINE, Nahanni, Hon. St.

Johns NDP GOERTZEN, Kelvin Steinbach PC GUENTER, Josh Borderland PC HIEBERT, Carrie Morden-Winkler PC JACKSON, Grant Spruce Woods PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake-Gimli PC KENNEDY, Nellie, Hon. Assiniboia NDP KHAN, Obby Fort Whyte PC KINEW, Wab, Hon. Fort Rouge NDP KING, Trevor Lakeside PC KOSTYSHYN, Ron, Hon. Dauphin NDP LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Tyndall Park Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas-Kameesak NDP LINDSEY, Tom, Hon. Flin Flon NDP LOISELLE, Robert St. Boniface NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Malaya, Hon. Notre Dame NDP MOROZ, Mike, Hon. River Heights NDP MOSES, Jamie, Hon. St.

Vital NDP MOYES, Mike, Hon. Riel NDP NARTH, Konrad La Vérendrye PC NAYLOR, Lisa, Hon. Wolseley NDP NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC OXENHAM, Logan Kirkfield Park NDP PANKRATZ, David Waverley NDP PERCHOTTE, Richard Selkirk PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Turtle Mountain PC REDHEAD, Eric Thompson NDP SALA, Adrien, Hon. St. James NDP SANDHU, Mintu, Hon. The Maples NDP SCHMIDT, Tracy, Hon. Rossmere NDP SCHOTT, Rachelle Kildonan-River East NDP SCHULER, Ron Springfield-Ritchot PC SIMARD, Glen, Hon. Brandon East NDP SMITH, Bernadette, Hon. Point Douglas NDP STONE, Lauren Midland PC WASYLIW, Mark Fort Garry Ind.

WHARTON, Jeff Red River North PC WIEBE, Matt, Hon. Concordia NDP WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC Vacant Transcona

411 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Wednesday, March 5, 2025 The House met at 1:30 p.m. The Speaker: O Eternal and Almighty God, from Whom all power and wisdom come, we are assembled here before Thee to frame such laws as may tend to the welfare and prosperity of our province. Grant, O merciful God, we pray Thee, that we may desire only that which is in accordance with Thy will, that we may seek it with wisdom, and know it with certainty and accomplish it perfectly for the glory and honour of Thy name and for the welfare of all our people. Amen.

We acknowledge we are gathered on Treaty 1 territory and that Manitoba is located on the treaty territories and ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg, Anishininewuk, Dakota Oyate, Denesuline and Nehethowuk nations. We acknowledge Manitoba is located on the Homeland of the Red River Métis. We acknowledge northern Manitoba includes lands that were and are the ancestral lands of the Inuit. We respect the spirit and intent of treaties and treaty making and remain committed to working in partnership with First Nations, Inuit and Métis people in the spirit of truth, reconciliation and collaboration. Please be seated.

I have some things to table before we move on to routine proceedings. Speaker's Statement The Speaker: First I want to table–I have a statement for the House. It is my sad duty to officially advise members that a vacancy now exists in the electoral division of Transcona due to the death of our colleague, the honourable Nello Altomare, the former member for this constituency.

In accordance with the Legislative Assembly Act, I am tabling a copy of the notification to the Lieutenant Governor-in-Council of the vacancy thus created in the membership of the House. * * * The Speaker: I'm also tabling a letter from the member for St. Boniface (MLA Loiselle), dated March 4, 2025, notifying me that he has resigned as the deputy chairperson of the Com mittees of the Whole House. ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS INTRODUCTION OF BILLS Bill 6–The Public Schools Amendment Act Hon.

Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): I move, seconded by the Minister of Advanced Education and Training (MLA Cable), that Bill 6, The Public Schools Amend- ment Act; Loi modifiant la

Loi sur les écoles publiques, now be read a first time. Motion presented. MLA Schmidt: I am pleased to introduce Bill 6, The Public Schools Amendment Act. Public and independent schools have a common day to count enrolment, which is submitted to the Province for public reporting and calculating operating funding. Historically, that enrolment count date was September 30 of each year. As this date now conflicts with the national day of truth and reconciliation, the enrolment count is being moved to the first Wednesday of October. Thank you. Merci. Miigwech.

The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Further introduction of bills? Bill 16–The Municipal Councils and School Boards Elections Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Act Hon. Tracy Schmidt (Minister of Education and Early Childhood Learning): I move, seconded by the Minister of Families (MLA Fontaine), that Bill 16, The Municipal Councils and School Boards Elections Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Act; Loi modifiant la

Loi sur les élections municipales et scolaires et la

Loi sur les écoles publiques , now be read a first time. Motion presented. MLA Schmidt: I am pleased to introduce Bill 16, The Municipal Councils and School Boards Elections Amendment and Public Schools Amendment Act. Currently in Manitoba, on-reserve residents do not have the right to vote or stand as candidates in school division elections. This bill changes that, enfranchising thousands of Manitobans living on-reserve. All Manitobans

412 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 care about edu cation. This bill affirms the rights of every Manitoban to have a voice and be heard in school board elections, which not only strengthens our demo- cracy but also takes us further along the path to truth and reconciliation. Thank you. Merci. Miigwech. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 7–The Human Tissue Gift Amendment Act Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long -Term Care): I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance (MLA Sala), that Bill 7, The Human Tissue Gift Amendment Act; Loi modifiant la

Loi sur les dons de tissus humains, be now read a first time. Motion presented. MLA Asagwara: I'm pleased to introduce Bill 7, The Human Tissue Gift Amend ment Act. This bill will update the list of human tissue gift agencies to reflect our current health-care system in Manitoba and will ensure the act applies to placenta and other birth tissue. Thank you. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 8–The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act Hon.

Matt Wiebe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance (MLA Sala), that Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Wiebe: I'm pleased to rise in the House today to introduce for first reading Bill 8, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act. This bill will amend The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Act to allow the gov ernment to create regula tions pro- hibiting specific busi ness types from being licensed for liquor service in certain areas.

Manitoba's liquor service categories are esta- blished by general regulation which currently provides for two licensed categories: general, which allows entry to all; and age-restricted, which prohibits minors from entering. This bill will allow government through regulation to designate specific busi ness types as unsuitable to receive liquor service licence. Through this legis lative amend ment, we plan to prohibit convenience stores in urban areas from receiving liquor service licences. * (13:40) Protecting minors is a priority of our government.

The proposed legis lation will provide a mechanism for increased safety by prohibiting restaurants from serving liquor in retail settings frequented by minors. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 9–The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act

(2) Hon. Matt Wiebe (Minister of Justice and Attorney General): I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance (MLA Sala), Bill 9, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act (2), be now read a first time. Motion presented. Mr. Wiebe: I am pleased to rise in the House today to introduce for first reading Bill 9, The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Amendment Act (2). This bill will amend The Liquor, Gaming and Cannabis Control Act to prohibit the issuing of controlled-access cannabis retail licences in the city of Winnipeg and other major urban areas.

This bill supports our government's commitment to safety by protecting young persons under the age of 19 from unsafe access to cannabis. Controlled- access stores will continue to be permitted in rural areas, ensuring that Manitobans throughout the province have sufficient access to legal cannabis products. Public safety is a top priority of our government, and so we're pleased to introduce legislation that goes the extra mile towards keeping cannabis out of the hands of underage Manitobans.

Limiting access to those Manitobans who are of legal age suppor ts our commitment to socially respon sible sale of cannabis in our province. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 11–The Oil and Gas Amendment Act Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): I move, seconded by the Minister of Transpor tation and Infra structure (MLA Naylor), that Bill 11, The Oil and Gas Amend- ment Act, be now read a first time. Motion presented.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 413 Mr. Moses: It gives me great pleasure to intro duce The Oil and Gas Amendment Act. The purpose of this bill is to ensure secure, stable and safe supply of essential fuels for Manitobans. This bill strengthens oversights of operating pipelines that carry refined petroleum products for the use by Manitobans to ensure continued supply.

Some of the new duties of the powers include requiring a pipeline operator to notify the minister within 24 hours of an emergency pipeline shutdown, requiring the minister's consent to shut down a pipeline that could interrupt the supply of petroleum fuels in non- emergency circumstances, allowing the department to set standards and inspections as scheduled. The bill also equalizes treatment of abandoned wells on private lands with Crown lands. These new provisions ensure Manitoba's supply of fuels remains secure, stable and safe, both now and into the future. Thank you, Honourable Speaker.

The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 12–The Housing and Renewal Corporation Amendment Act Hon. Bernadette Smith (Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness): I move, seconded by the Minister of Families (MLA Fontaine), that Bill 12, The Housing and Renewal Cor poration Amendment Act, be now read a first time. Motion presented. Ms. Smith: I'm pleased to rise in the House to intro- duce the housing renewal corporation act, Bill 12.

This bill amends The Housing and Renewal Cor- poration Act to include a requirement that an owner of a funded building that receives at least 15 per cent in provincial funding or federal funding under the Social Housing Agreement must receive their consent of the corporation prior to selling, demolishing or changing the use of that building. The amendment to the act protects Manitobans by protecting public invest ments in affordable housing, and further supports our govern ment's priorities by ensuring that there is an adequate supply of housing in Manitoba and that it remains affordable.

Miigwech, Honourable Speaker. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 14–The Insurance Amendment Act Hon. Adrien Sala (Minister of Finance): I move, seconded by the Minister for Agriculture, that Bill 14, The Insurance Amendment Act; Loi modifiant la

Loi sur les assurances, be now read a first time. Motion presented. MLA Sala: I am pleased to intro duce Bill 14, The Insurance Amendment Act. This bill is one of a series of measures our govern ment is taking to modernize our financial statutes to enable economic growth and to create jobs, and in the current context, this work could not be more important and urgent. This bill will limit the amount of funds used in side accounts of universal life insurance products, as has been done in other jurisdictions.

This bill provides statutory immunity to members of The Insurance Agents' and Adjusters' Licensing Appeal Board, amongst others, when they take action and act in good faith, as is done in other juris dictions; and this bill will allow for email notifications, again as is done in other jurisdictions. Honourable Speaker, as I said, we are pleased to continue the work of modernizing our financial statutes, and I'm pleased to present this bill to the House for its consideration. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Bill 15–The Real Estate Services Amendment Act Hon.

Adrien Sala (Minister of Finance): I move, seconded by the Minister for Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation (Mr. Moses), that Bill 15, The Real Estate Services Amendment Act; Loi modifiant la

Loi sur les services immobiliers, now be read a first time. Motion presented. MLA Sala: I'm very pleased to introduce Bill 15, The Real Estate Services Amend ment Act. This bill is another step in a series of measures our government is taking to modernize our financial statutes to enable economic growth and create jobs. This bill will correct deficiencies that emerged after The Real Estate Services Act replaced the former Real Estate Brokers Act on January 1, 2022.

These changes will help ensure that the Manitoba Securities Commission has the tools to properly and appr o- priately regulate the real estate industry in Manitoba. Let me repeat for the benefit of all members: our government is committed to creating a strong

414 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 foundation to enable economic growth and create jobs, and that's exactly why we're doing this with this bill, and other bills that will be forthcoming this spring. Honourable Speaker, I'm very pleased to present this bill to the House for consideration. The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion? [Agreed] Introduction of Guests The Speaker: Just before moving on to com mittee reports, I have some guests I'd like to introduce. In the loge to my left today we have a guest, Mr.

Kevin Lamoureux, former member of this Assembly for the constituency of Inkster, current Member of Parliament for Winnipeg North, and the father of the honourable member for Tyndall Park (MLA Lamoureux). We welcome you here today. We also have with us in the public gallery some members from DASCH, including the daughter of our honourable Clerk, Rick Yarish. Daughter's name is Emma Carey. And we welcome you here, and the members of DASCH, today. We also have seated in the public gallery from Gordon Bell off -campus program 25 grade 10 to 12 students under the direction of Mark Dewar.

This group is located in the constituency –the honourable member for Wolseley (MLA Naylor). And we welcome you here today. COMMITTEE REPORTS Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs Second Report Mr. Logan Oxenham (Chairperson): Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the second report of the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs. Clerk (Mr. Rick Yarish): Your Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs presents the following as his– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs presents the following as its Second Report.

Meetings Your Committee met on December 10, 2024, at 1:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Annual Report of the Manitoba Advocate for Children and Youth for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Committee Membership • Mr. B LASHKO • MLA COMPTON • Mrs. COOK • Hon. Min. FONTAINE • Mrs. HIEBERT • Mr. OXENHAM Your Committee elected Mr. OXENHAM as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected Mr. BLASHKO as the Vice - Chairperson.

Officials Speaking on Record • Sherry Gott, Manitoba Advocate for Children and Youth Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following report as presented: • Annual Report of the Manitoba Advocate for Children and Youth for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Mr. Oxenham: Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the honour able member for Tuxedo (MLA Compton), that the report of the c ommittee be received. Motion agreed to. * (13:50) Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs Third Report Mr.

Logan Oxenham (Vice-Chairperson): Honour- able Speaker, I wish to present the third report of the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs. Clerk: Your Standing Com mittee on Legis lative Affairs– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs presents the following as its Third Report.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 415 Meetings Your Committee met on December 11, 2024, at 10:00 a.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Appointment process for the Manitoba Ombudsman Committee Membership • MLA CROSS • MLA DELA CRUZ • Mr. JOHNSON • MLA LOISELLE • Mr. NESBITT • Mr. OXENHAM Your Committee elected MLA DELA CRUZ as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected Mr. OXENHAM as the Vice-Chairperson.

Motions Your Committee agreed to the following motions: • THAT the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs recommends to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba that Jill Perron be reappointed as the Manitoba Ombudsman. • THAT the Standing Committee on Legislative Affairs recommends to the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba that The Ombudsman Act be updated with gender neutral language. Mr. Oxenham: Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the honour able member for St. Boniface (MLA Loiselle), that the report of the com mittee be received. Motion agreed to.

Standing Committee on Crown Corporations First Report MLA JD Devgan (Chairperson): Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the first report of the Standing Com- mittee on Crown Corporations. Clerk: Your Standing Committee on– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Crown Corporations presents the following as its First Report. Meetings Your Committee met on January 17, 2025, at 1:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building.

Matters under Consideration • Annual Report of the Manitoba Hydro- Electric Board for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Committee Membership • MLA COMPTON • MLA DEVGAN • Mr. GOERTZEN • Mr. OXENHAM • Hon. Min. SALA • Mrs. STONE Your Committee elected MLA DEVGAN as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected Mr. OXENHAM as the Vice - Chairperson.

Officials Speaking on Record • Allan Danroth, President and Chief Executive Officer, Manitoba Hydro-Electric Board • Ben Graham, Chair of the Board, Manitoba Hydro-Electric Board • Alastair Fogg, Chief Financial Officer, Manitoba Hydro-Electric Board Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following report as presented: • Annual Report of the Manitoba Hydro- Electric Board for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 MLA Devgan: Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable member for Tuxedo (MLA Compton), that the report of the committee be received. Motion agreed to.

Standing Committee on Crown Corporations Second Report Mr. Tyler Blashko (Vice-Chairperson): Honour- able Speaker, I wish to present the second report of the Standing Committee on Crown Corporations. Clerk: Your Standing– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense.

416 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 Your Standing Committee on Crown Corporations presents the following as its Second Report. Meetings Your Committee met on January 23, 2025, at 9:00 a.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Annual Report of the Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Committee Membership • Mr. BALCAEN • Mr. BLASHKO • Hon. Min. CABLE • Mrs. HIEBERT • MLA PANKRATZ • Hon. Mr. WIEBE Your Committee elected MLA PANKRATZ as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected Mr. BLASHKO as the Vice-Chairperson.

Non-Committee Members Speaking on Record • Mrs. COOK Officials Speaking on Record • Satvir Jatana, President and Chief Executive Officer, Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation • Carmen Nedohin, Chair of the Board, Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following report as presented: • Annual Report of the Manitoba Public Insurance Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Mr. Blashko: Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable member for Tuxedo (MLA Compton), that the report of the committee be received.

Motion agreed to. Standing Committee on Crown Corporations Third Report Mr. Diljeet Brar (Chairperson): Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the third report of the Standing Com- mittee on Crown Corporations. Clerk: Your Standing– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Crown Corporations presents the following as its Third Report. Meetings Your Committee met on January 28, 2025, at 1:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building.

Matters under Consideration • Annual Report of the Manitoba Centennial Centre Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Committee Membership • Mr. B RAR • Ms. BYRAM • MLA COMPTON • Hon. Min. KENNEDY • MLA LOISELLE • Mr. PERCHOTTE Your Committee elected Mr. BRAR as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected MLA LOISELLE as the Vice - Chairperson.

Officials Speaking on Record • Robert Olson, President and Chief Executive Officer, Manitoba Centennial Centre Corporation • Alan Goddard, Board Chair, Manitoba Centennial Centre Corporation Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following report as presented: • Annual Report of the Manitoba Centennial Centre Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Mr. Brar: Honourable Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable member for St. Boniface (MLA Loiselle), that the report of the committee be received. Motion agreed to.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 417 Standing Committee on Crown Corporations Fourth Report MLA Robert Loiselle (Chairperson): L'Honorable président, j'aimerais présenter le quatrième rapport du comité permanent des sociétés d'état. Translation Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Crown Corporations. Clerk: Your Standing Committee on– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Crown Corporations presents the following as its Fourth Report.

Meetings Your Committee met on January 29, 2025, at 1:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Annual Report of the Manitoba Liquor and Lotteries Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Committee Membership • Mr. B LASHKO • MLA COMPTON • Mr. KING • MLA LOISELLE • Mr. NARTH • Hon. Mr. SIMARD Your Committee elected MLA LOISELLE as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected Mr. BLASHKO as the Vice-Chairperson.

Officials Speaking on Record • Gerry Sul, President and Chief Executive Officer, Manitoba Liquor and Lotteries Corporation • Jeff Traeger, Board Chair, Manitoba Liquor and Lotteries Corporation Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following report as presented: • Annual Report of the Manitoba Liquor and Lotteries Corporation for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 MLA Loiselle: L'Honorable président, I move, seconded by the honour able member for Kirkfield Park (Mr. Oxenham), that the report of the committee be received. Motion agreed to.

Standing Committee on Crown Corporations Fifth Report Mrs. Rachelle Schott (Chairperson): Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the fifth report of the Standing Committee on Crown Corporations. Clerk: Your Standing Committee– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense. Your Standing Committee on Crown Corporations presents the following as its Fifth Report. Meetings Your Committee met on January 31, 2025, at 1:00 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building. Matters under Consideration • Annual Report of Efficiency Manitoba for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024 Committee Membership • MLA CHEN • Mr.

GUENTER • Hon. Min. MOYES • Mr. PIWNIUK • Mrs. SCHOTT • Hon. Min. SCHMIDT Your Committee elected Mrs. SCHOTT as the Chairperson. Your Committee elected MLA CHEN as the Vice-Chairperson. Officials Speaking on Record • Colleen Kuruluk, Chief Executive Officer, Efficiency Manitoba • Jeannette Montufar-MacKay, Board Chair, Efficiency Manitoba • Michael Stocki, Vice President of Efficiency Programs, Efficiency Manitoba Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following report as presented: • Annual Report of Efficiency Manitoba for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2024

418 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 Mrs. Schott: I move, seconded by the honour able member for Fort Richmond (MLA Chen), that the report of the committee be received. Motion agreed to. Standing Committee on Public Accounts First Report Mr. Josh Guenter (Chairperson): Honourable Speaker, I wish to present the first report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. Clerk: Your Standing Committee on Public Accounts presents the following as its first report– An Honourable Member: Dispense. The Speaker: Dispense.

Your Standing Committee on Public Accounts pre - sents the following as its First Report. Meetings Your Committee met on December 12, 2024, at 1:30 p.m. in Room 255 of the Legislative Building.

Matters under Consideration • Auditor General's Report – Animal Disease Preparedness dated January 2021 • Auditor General's Report – Follow Up of Previously Issued Recommendations dated February 2024 o Animal Disease Preparedness • Auditor General's Report – Provincial Oversight of Drinking Water Safety dated September 2020 • Auditor General's Report – Follow-Up of Previously Issued Recommendations dated March 2023 o Provincial Oversight of Drinking Water Safety Committee Membership • Mr. BRAR • MLA CHEN • MLA COMPTON • MLA DELA CRUZ • MLA DEVGAN • Mr.

GUENTER (Chairperson) • MLA LAMOUREUX • MLA MALOWAY (Vice-Chairperson) • Mr. NESBITT • Mr. OXENHAM • Mrs.

STONE Officials Speaking on Record • Tyson Shtykalo, Auditor General of Manitoba • Maurice Bouvier, Assistant Deputy Minister of Industry Advancement, Department of Agriculture • Glen Duizer, Chief Veterinary Officer • Jocelyn Baker, Deputy Minister of Environment and Climate Change • Elliott Brown, Assistant Deputy Minister of Environment and Climate Change • Sacha Janzen, Acting Director, Office of Drinking Water, Department of Environment and Climate Change Reports Considered and Passed Your Committee considered and passed the following reports as presented: • Auditor General's Report – Animal Disease Preparedness dated January 2021 • Auditor General's Report – Provincial Oversight of Drinking Water Safety dated September 2020 Your Committee completed consideration of the following chapters as presented: • Auditor General's Report – Follow-Up of Previously Issued Recommendations dated March 2023 o Provincial Oversight of Drinking Water Safety • Auditor General's Report – Follow Up of Previously Issued Recommendations dated February 2024 o Animal Disease Preparedness Mr.

Guenter: I move, seconded by the honour able member for La Vérendrye (Mr. Narth), that the report of the committee be received. Motion agreed to. The Speaker: No further committee reports? TABLING OF REPORTS The Speaker: We'll then move to tabling of reports, and I have one to table. In accordance with

section 49(2) of The Conflict of Interest (Members and Ministers) Act, I'm tabling a report by the Ethics Com missioner regarding the honourable First Minister's compliance with the act,

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 419 pursuant to a request by the honour able member for Fort Garry (Mr. Wasyliw) dated February 19, 2025. MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS Invasion of Ukraine–Third Anniversary Hon. Ron Kostyshyn (Minister of Agriculture): I rise today to observe the third anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine. In late February of 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine. This was an illegal act by Putin. This war was–caused so much death and destruction. Through this hardship, Ukraine's military leaders and civilians have demonstrated great courage.

They fight for their country and they fight for their way of life. We all want an enduring peace in their country. Over several generations, Ukrainian Manitobans have grown and prospered in our province. Today, one in seven Manitobans, including myself, have Ukrainian heritage, which is why this anniversary weighs heavily on my heart. Honourable Speaker, we are privileged that our province is a place of refuge for Ukrainians. Manitobans recent–Ukrainian newcomers have received support from our large and welcome Ukrainian com - munities.

Individuals, organizations, churches mobilized a wide range of resources as soon as–the invasion con- tinues to support this day. Manitobans have a demonstrated the history of generosity in times of need, and it was the warmth to my heart to see people of all backgrounds come together to support and welcome these Ukrainian families. If you are from Manitoba, there is a good chance that you have a Ukrainian connection. As citizens of the global community, we recog - nize just how fragile democracy can be.

We also know how powerful we can be when we stand up for what we know is right. * (14:00) We must speak the truth. Putin started the war. These words alone cannot be trusted for them to be a lasting peace. Zelensky is our hero. He is fighting to preserve Ukraine as free, independent and democracy nation. I hope Manitobans will continue to reach out and support community organizations that are working with the Ukrainian newcomers. Until this war is over and in the years that follow, the people of Manitoba will stand alongside our friends and neighbours as we rebuild their lives.

We observe in this being the third anniversary, I encourage Manitobans to remember the people of Ukraine. And for Ukrainian citizens who have come to our province, we will continue to offer our support and demonstrate the commitment to the values of independence and protections of basic human rights. Honourable Speaker, this is a solemn occasion, and I would ask of all those present, please join me in a moment of silence in reflection and remembrance of the people of Ukraine. Slava Ukraini. [Glory to Ukraine.] The Speaker: Is there leave to have a moment of silence after all the responses? [Agreed] Mr.

Richard Perchotte (Selkirk): Eleven hundred and four days have passed since the devastating inva- sion of Ukraine. Today I rise to highlight the horrific events marking the third anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. This war has left deep scars, not just on the land of Ukraine, but in the hearts of millions across the world. It is a war against democracy, a war that challenges the values we hold dear: that every person deserves an environment that upholds human right s, fundamental freedoms and the ability to express their will freely.

Ukraine had gained its independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, and here in Canada we under - stand the importance of respecting sovereignty and the right to self -determination. We know this first- hand through our ongoing work in reconciliation. This is not just about offering support; it is about standing in solidarity with those in Ukraine, with the Ukrainians in our province, across Canada and around the world. In times of hardship, it was our shared humanity that guided us. Here in Manitoba, we not only opened our hearts but also our doors to those in need.

Our former PC government committed $456,000 in fund- ing to local organizations dedicated to helping Ukrainian newcomers find their footing. These vital services provided the support and opportunities needed to help them rebuild their lives with dignity and hope. On a per capita basis, more Ukrainian refugees found home in Manitoba than any other province. Our

420 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 former PC government was committed to ensuring that Ukrainians were supported through these hard times. Our current PC team is dedicated to continuing this support and ensuring that you are not forgotten, while holding this government accountable during these devastating times. This is not a matter of politics or partisanship. Today I encourage all Manitobans to reflect on the painful truth of what is happening in this war. Nationality, politics or ideology aside, we must stand, and we will stand, united by our shared humanity.

The war in Ukraine is not just about borders or politics, it's about the people. It's about humanity. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Honourable Speaker, I ask for leave to respond to the minister's statement. The Speaker: Does the honour able member have leave? [Agreed] MLA Lamoureux: Honourable Speaker, it's been three years since Russia's illegal full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Russia continues to make nuclear threats and has been accused of war crimes, crimes against humanity and waging war in violation of international law.

And with the over whelming number of casualties during this war, it is now considered one of the deadlie st conflicts since World War II. Honourable Speaker, the apparent war crimes include torture,

summary executions, sexual violence, enforced disappearances and looting of cultural property. Russian forces continue to appear to be aimed at terrorizing civilians and making their life unsustainable. As we enter the third year of this unjust attack on Ukraine, the context is different, and, many would argue, more dangerous because of the betrayal of the US. Canada, along with the rest of Ukraine's allies, must come together to do everything in our power to prevent this attack on democracy. In Ukraine, millions of people are internally displaced.

People continue to flee to other countries, and many continue to arrive here in Manitoba, due to the support of the Ukraine community, our federal and provincial governments and many hard- working and dedicated agencies. Now more than ever, we need to remain united in condemning Russia as its crimes of aggression against Ukrainian people. Thank you. The Speaker: All rise for a moment of silence, please. A moment of silence was observed. The Speaker: Thank you. MEMBERS' STATEMENTS Sinclair Park Community Centre Mr.

Diljeet Brar (Burrows): Today I would like to recognize the in credible efforts of the wonderful board of directors and staff at Sinclair Park Community Centre in my constituency. Sinclair Park Community Centre has dedi cated itself to being worthy of the community's support since it opened its doors in 2011. Striving to recognize the community's needs and values and have them reflected in the centre, the board makes sure that everyone feels welcomed, valued and safe at the centre. From weddings and socials to birthday parties and fundraisers, the centre hosts a variety of community events.

It also provides a space for com munity members to celebrate Ramadan and Treaty Day. For the last 10 years, the centre has been proudly hosting BGC Winnipeg Community School Investigators Jumpstart windup who have 900 youth and over 200 volunteers in attendance. The centre offers many programs at no or low cost to reduce financial barriers for youth and young families in sports and other recreational programs. They have had an amazing response from the commu- nity, with over 140 youth signing up for their mini soccer programs last year.

The centre also worked diligently for five years to be able to build a new basketball courtyard that can meet everyone's accessibility needs. I invite everyone to join me in applauding Tracy Ball, Abby Ball, Debra Todoruk and Tasha Ducharme joining us in the gallery, and rest of their team members for their hard work and dedication. Thank you, Honourable Speaker.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 421 Jeremy Bray Mr. Grant Jackson (Spruce Woods): Jeremy Bray is a 29-year-old from Rivers, and despite being close to my own age and from the same area, our life journeys have been very different. At a very young age, Jeremy was diagnosed with spinal muscular atrophy. Let's be clear about what that is: it is the slow degradation of muscle mass and muscle control, in eventual –leading to eventual paralysis. Jeremy is being encased in his own body.

Despite this diagnosis, Jeremy got himself through high school, achieved a computer science degree from Brandon University and works full time as a data analyst for Louis Riel School Division. Jeremy and his family got hope when a new drug was approved, but it was only approved for those aged 25 and under. Jeremy missed it by months. * (14:10) This totally arbitrary date has been acknowledged by several other provinces who have supported and approved coverage of the drug for those of all ages, but Manitoba refuses to do so.

After the callous treatment by the Health De partment and a massive public outcry, the Health Minister met with Jeremy in January but failed to approve the treatment. Jeremy's condition is progressing. He needs this treatment now to keep himself alive. He is not asking for much, just the continued use of his voice, his mouth and one thumb, the only remaining functioning muscles in his body. The Health Minister has failed to approve this treatment, so on behalf of his family and the commu- nity, we are asking the Premier (Mr.

Kinew) to step in today, follow the lead of other provinces which have approved this treatment for those over 25 years of age, please, please get Jeremy the treatment that he needs. Thank you. Member's Appreciation for Congratulations on Son Hudson's Birth MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Today, I want to share how grateful I am to my colleagues, friends and family. Four months ago, I gave birth to a healthy and beautiful baby, and I am so thrilled to share that it has been such a wonderful exper ience, and this is in part because of many of you here in these Chambers.

Honourable Speaker, I want to thank both the NDP and PCs and many of the staff here in the building for your supportiveness through thoughtful words, gestures and gifts. You may know this already, but the Legislature is a very special building for me because I've spent so much of my life here. I used to sleep and play in a playpen in my father's office, the very same office I now have a playpen set up in for my son. It's an in- credible feeling.

I have early memories of wandering the building, sliding down the halls in my socks, writing letters to Santa at the holiday open houses and splashing around the fountain out back. I even remember sleeping over night as a child in protest outside of the Chamber doors, and I won't get into the political reasons why, Hon ourable Speaker. But my hope is to create memories like this for my child. I want to show him and all Manitobans that this truly is the people's building. Honourable Speaker, I feel exceptionally fortunate to have such supportive people in my life.

And today, a few have joined us in the gallery and in the loge. I have my parents, my team, my partner and, of course, our guest of honour. Allow me to officially introduce to all of you my Huddy buddy, Hudson Louis-Lamoureux Burns. The Liberal Government's Economic Policies Mr.

Josh Guenter (Borderland): Nine years of tearing down statues, denigrating our national history and identity, cancelling energy projects and killing jobs in the name of climate change, woke criminal justice policies that have resulted in Canada now having a higher violent crime rate than the US, and so many other woke policies have seriously damaged our country. The Liberals, having shut down Parliament for three months and with Canada in a trade war, are set to increase the carbon tax, the Liberal tariff on Canadians, by another 20 per cent in just a few weeks.

Liberal economic policies have forced investment out of this country and left Canadians poorer and more in debt than ever. Liberal policies have forced Canada to remain captive to the American market when we could be selling clean Canadian energy to Asia and Europe. Today, Canadian household debt is 85 per cent higher than American household debt, and the average Canadian earns 30 per cent less than his American counterpart.

422 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 Those in Canada who work in jobs where real wealth is created, our tradesmen, truckers, farmers, small business owners and many others, will be the first to feel the impact of this trade war. No wonder, then, that so many Canadians have lost hope, and a recent poll showed that 43 per cent of Canadians in my genera tion see no issue with becoming American. I love Canada– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order. Mr. Guenter: –and it makes me angry to see my country in this state. But it does not have to remain this way.

We must– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order. Mr. Guenter: –cut job-killing regulations, eliminate all provincial trade barriers, build pipelines and energy projects, build our own refineries, slaughter - houses, foundries and factories, and cut taxes to massively lower the cost of goods for Canadians and incentivize investment in our country. And, for crying out loud, let's take pride in our country. Honourable Speaker, 40 million people on the second largest piece of land in the world should be the richest and freest in the–people on earth.

Let's make it happen. [interjection] The Speaker: Order, please. Order. Order. I'd just remind members, first that the member's time had expired and also the Speaker is standing, so everyone else should quit talking. Direct Action in Support of Community Homes Mr. Mark Wasyliw (Fort Garry): I'm proud to rise today to celebrate the 50th anniversary of DASCH, Direct Action in Support of Community Homes.

For five decades, DASCH has played an essential role in empowering individuals living with intellectual and physical disabilities, helping them achieve independence, pursue their dreams and bid–build 'meanifingul' – meaningful lives within their communities. DASCH, which is headquartered in Fort Garry, currently operates 58 homes across Winnipeg, pro- viding supportive housing for people aged eight to 74. These homes are staffed 24 -7 and offer a family -like atmosphere. On top of housing, they also offer individualized day programs tailored to the needs of their community.

They offer DASCHWorks, a vocational training program that focuses on individuals with intellectual disabilities develop the skills they need to enter the workforce. They also bring together staff and resi - dents to celebrate personal and shared cultural experiences through their Cultural Connection program. It's important to recognize the dedicated efforts of DASCH leadership team who join us today in the gallery, including CEO Karen Fonseth and Dorothy Ross, who have been instrumental in leading this treasured community organization.

Honourable Speaker, DASCH believes in a future where disability doesn't limit one's ability to achieve their full potential or be fully included in our community. On this remarkable 50- year milestone, I want to thank all the hard work of DASCH staff, volunteers and supporters and make –who make this vision a reality every day. DASCH's impact is felt not only by individuals it supports, but also by their families, caregivers and the broader community. I ask all members to join me in recognizing the vital work of DASCH and honouring their members who join us in the gallery today. Thank you.

The Speaker: I suppose we must. ORAL QUESTIONS Search for Missing Indigenous Women Apology to the Victims and Their Families Mr. Wayne Ewasko (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, our govern ment erred. It's as simple as that. We went forward and followed advice to empha- size prosecution above all. We lost our way in regards to empathy and also lost our way in regards to closure being brought forward to the families of the victims. I offer today our unconditional apology to the families of Morgan Harris, Marcedes Myron, Rebecca Contois and of Buffalo Woman.

We will, as Elle Harris requested, be better as a party moving forward. And you have my word on that. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): The families of Marcedes and Morgan have been exemplary Manitobans. They stood on the side of truth and justice, through some very difficult times.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 423 We know that the work that has been undertaken to search the Prairie Green landfill has been very respective of their wishes and has included them throughout. It is also now shown that the project of searching the landfill was always feasible, was always some- thing that could have been under taken by a govern - ment with compassion. It remains to be seen whether the Progressive Conservative Party, going through this leadership contest that they're now under way, will learn the ter- rible mistakes of Heather Stefanson and take those going forward.

But, again, it's up to them to show that through their actions now. * (14:20) We know that on this side of the House we have always stood with victims, we have always stood on the right side of both this issue and public safety issues generally– The Speaker: The hon ourable member's time has expired. The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. US Tariffs on Canadian Goods Request for Plan to Address Mr. Wayne Ewasko (Leader of the Official Opposition): Honourable Speaker, the Premier has had 17 months now to make progress for Manitobans.

This NDP govern ment has failed, and they failed to deliver. The Health Minister failing patients, nurses, health-care workers, we hear this daily. Finance Minister failing, how's he doing that? By raising taxes, bigger deficits and higher costs. Premier's failing to reveal a plan to deal with the threat of 25 per cent tariffs. No daily an nouncements as he had once promised. We are still waiting for the Premier's many an - nouncements, so will he reveal his com prehensive plan to battle these tariffs today, Honourable Speaker? Hon.

Wab Kinew (Premier): On this side of the House, we stand with Manitobans and we stand against Donald Trump's tariff tax. And, boy, are we ever lucky that the PCs aren't in charge. The so-called leader of the PCs just let one of their caucus members stand up in this sacred Chamber and talk about Canadians becoming Americans. Not under my watch, not under this team's watch. We will never be the 51st state. We will always be the true north, strong and free. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary question. Mr.

Ewasko: So how do we sum up this NDP Party Premier's past 17 months? Utter failure, Hon ourable Speaker. Failing our students on prov incial exams, failing patients waiting for surgeries in hospital beds, NDP failures affecting our health -care workers. We hear this daily. NDP are failing jobseekers with rising un- employment, and now to cap off 17 months of NDP failures, we have a Premier that has completely failed to produce a plan to address the tariffs. So I ask the Premier now: Will he stop failing Manitobans–[interjection] The Speaker: Order. Mr.

Ewasko: –and please meet the ex pectations of some Manitobans, Honourable Speaker? Mr. Kinew: So not every PC MLA just clapped for their interim leader. But what's more alarming than that, for people watching at home, when I said we would never be the 51st state, when I said we'll always be the true north, strong and free, do you know how many PC MLAs clapped for that? Not a single one. And it's no surprise. You know, you wish that that PC leadership contest would have something to say about this, but who are their two choices?

On the one hand, they have the outsider candidate, now the presumed front-runner, who endorsed Trump during the recent election. And then you've got the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan). And what did he say? Just in February, after Donald Trump passed his executive order on tariffs, he said, and this is a direct quote: I would say thank you. End quote. On this side of the House, we will always stand up against tariffs. We will always stand up for Manitoba. Meanwhile, the PCs are wanting to cozy up to Donald Trump. The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

The honour able Leader of the Official Op posi- tion, on a new question.

424 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 US Tariffs on Canadian Goods Request for Plan to Address Mr. Wayne Ewasko (Leader of the Official Opposition): And so, once again, Honourable Speaker, we see the what's old is new again and what's new is old again. This Premier and his bullying tactics has not caused, over the three months, even listening to your advice. Two thirds of Manitoba busi nesses expect nega- tive effects from the US tariffs. Honourable Speaker, 70 per cent of businesses cited the financial burden of tariffs being their primary concern.

Despite this, Premier's only suggested action is a three -month tax deferral. Permanent tax reduction, not tax deferrals, is needed to weather this economic storm. How many more businesses will have to close under this Premier's watch, and will he finally answer a question and share his plan today, Honourable Speaker? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): Donald Trump. Say his name. He talks tariffs, but he won't talk bad about Donald Trump because he's scared. The first thing that you need in this period of economic uncertainty is backbone. You need to be able to stand up to a bully.

We are pushing back against Donald Trumps's tariffs. We're standing up for Manitobans. Meanwhile, the PC leadership has devolved into a contest of who can suck up to Donald Trump more. The presumed front-runner now, Wally, endorsed Donald Trump in 2024. And the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan), the establishment candidate, said thank you. That is a direct quote. He said thank you to Donald Trump's tariffs. The tariffs are a threat to people's jobs and their livelihoods. Why would any proud Canadian ever say thank you to Donald Trump for threatening our economy?

He should not only apologize, the PC leadership vetting team should vet him out of their leadership contest for betraying our country. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a supplementary question. Mr. Ewasko: Honourable Speaker, through out my career as an educator, and even today as interim leader of the Progressive Conservative Party, I stand up here day after day confronting a bully; and that's the MLA for Fort Rouge over there.

On February 1, the Premier stood in his spot and announced, and I quote, new steps every single day this week, end quote, to protect jobs and safeguard the economy. We're still waiting for those plans. I'm not sure if his comms team maybe didn't get the memo to unleash those plans, but we're still waiting for those seven cents–seven steps. Perhaps if the Premier spent equal energy fulfilling his promises as he does making them, Manitobans would have more confidence. Would the Premier please just stand up today, answer one of these questions and unleash his plans to Manitobans, Honourable Speaker? Mr.

Kinew: We unleashed it that week in February. We announced tax deferrals. We announced the shop local campaign. We announced supports for Manitobans from all walks of life. Do you know what the membership–or rather, the member for Fort Whyte did that same week? He said thank you to Donald Trump. That's a direct quote. Thank you to Donald Trump for the tariffs. So who's the other option if you don't want to sell out our country in the PC leadership race? Well, it's Wally. And the funny thing about Wally is he says he has three MLAs onside. But which are they?

Like, for sure the Borderlands MLA is one of Wally's guys; we can say that for sure. But who are the other two MLAs? The funniest part of all is that Wally said that the PC MLAs are lazy. So, apparently, three of them heard that and said, yep, this guy knows what he's talking about. The Speaker: The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition, on a final supplementary question. Mr. Ewasko: It's obvious that the NDP did not listen to your sage advice prior to Christmas, Hon ourable Speaker. We stand here each and every day, and the Premier continues to slander, mislead Manitobans each and every day.

Under this NDP party, Honour able Speaker, Manitobans ex perience the highest rate of food inflation in Canada. Nearly half of Manitoba residents are $200 or less away from failing to meet all their financial obligations. Despite these concerns, the NDP cannot or will not share their secret tariff plan. How many Manitobans have to, again, lose their jobs under this Premier's watch, and their homes, before the NDP party or the Premier –somebody on

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 425 that side of the bench, Hon ourable Speaker–releases their tariffs plan? Mr. Kinew: Let's be absolutely clear. The threat to Manitoba's economy are the actions of Donald Trump. If you can't even say his name and say that what he's doing is wrong, you are not fit to be part of Manitoba's response. That's why our team is taking the lead. We're there to protect your jobs. We've brought in a tax deferral initiative. At the same time we're pushing back against the United States of America. We signed an order.

I was happy to be surrounded by the whole team yesterday when we signed that wonderful order to pull liquor from the US off of Liquor Mart shelves. However, on the other said of the House, the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan) is saying thank you for this existential threat to the livelihoods of many people across the country. Thank you to Donald Trump at this moment? That is wrong. But here's the difference between us and them. On this side of the House, we're rallying around the flag.

On that side of the House, they're rallying around someone who is selling out Canada. * (14:30) Manitoba's Response to US Tariffs Request for Permanent Payroll Tax Waiver Mrs. Lauren Stone (Midland): Honourable Speaker, Monday night was a disappointing day for Canada. To be perfectly clear, I am against Trump's trade war on Canada. A free market approach is always the best approach. The implementation of these US tariffs on Canada–[interjection] The Speaker: Order. Mrs. Stone: –will have profound impacts on Manitoba businesses.

Clearly, the minister understands that the job-killing payroll tax is a burden to Manitoba businesses. That's why he's deferring it. But this deferral is meaningless when the NDP comes knocking for their cheque in three months. Businesses need permanent relief. They need real action. Will the minister commit today to waiving the payroll tax deferral for Manitoba businesses? Hon. Adrien Sala (Minister of Finance): Tariffs will indeed present a challenge to us here in Manitoba. But as our Premier (Mr. Kinew) often reminds us, the way we get through challenges is by getting through them together.

And that's exactly what our team has been doing. We've been bringing Manitobans together, bringing Manitobans from every corner of this province together in unity to respond to this challenge. That stands in stark contrast to the kind of language and rhetoric we're hearing from those who are vying to be the leaders of the party of the members opposite. They're dividing Manitobans. They're splitting us apart. What are we doing? We're bringing people together, because we know that's how we're going to get through this, together as one Manitoba.

And we're going to merge on the other side of this working as a whole province, together in unison. The Speaker: The honourable member for Midland, on a supplementary question. Mrs. Stone: If the minister wants to do this together, then maybe they should take our proposal to have an all-party com mittee so all areas of Manitoba are represented through these negotiations. The NDP is caught between ideology and reality and it's time for them to quit their antibusiness rhetoric. So far, this government's only response to Manitobans has been tax delays, tax holidays, tax freezes, nothing permanent.

Manitoba has great economic potential and we need to unleash it. But this can only be done if the NDP puts their own ideology aside. Will this minister stand up today and commit to permanently eliminating the job-killing payroll tax for Manitoba businesses? MLA Sala: I don't know why we would want to invite them to respond or help devise a response when we know that members opposite are supporters of Trump and his tariff tax on Canadians.

Look, yesterday I was really proud to stand with our team out in front of the Legislature with the beautiful Canadian flag behind us as we announced our measures in response–immediately in response to the news that those tariffs were being applied to Canada. We brought forward a tax deferral program. I'm already hearing from businesses and manufacturers about how much they appreciate our quick response to give them some relief, to help give them some cash flow support so they can keep people employed.

426 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 There's of course more to do. Manitobans can count on us to continue fighting for jobs in this pro- vince every single day. The Speaker: The honourable member for Midland, on a final supplementary question. Mrs. Stone: The NDP and this minister have no viable, realistic or permanent plan to help support Manitoba businesses. When I asked in Hydro committee of this minister what his economic plan was, he said he would not speak in hypotheticals. That was a month and a half ago. Well, hypothetical has now become reality.

He has had an extra month to come up with a real economic plan and response plan for Manitobans and Manitoba businesses and he hasn't. We've seen temporary, we've seen freeze, we've seen deferral, but nothing permanent. This NDP continues to hide what their economic plan is. Why is this minister actively suppressing this information from the public when other premiers across the country have announced this for their tax payers? MLA Sala: Again, our team is proud to have responded immediately to this tariff threat. We're working together with Manitobans across this entire province.

We know that those tax deferrals will support businesses to be able to have more cash flow, to ensure that workers can keep working and they can work through this challenging period. We also announced bi -Canada legislation that we'll be introducing soon. We also announced that we're taking US liquor off of our shelves as other responses in response to ensure Manitobans are showing that we will stand up for ourselves in response to this threat. We are going to fight for jobs.

We're going to do that together with Manitobans, bringing Manitobans together under the one Manitoba banner, because Manitobans can always count on this team to fight for their best interests. Potato Production Industry Need for Manitoba Investments MLA Jeff Bereza (Portage la Prairie): Honourable Speaker, a new $450- million potato processing plant has been announced south of the border in Grand Forks by the Belgian food company, Agristo. It's unfortunate that the NDP missed this opportunity to have this plant built right here on Canadian soil.

What is this minister doing now to fight the 25 per cent Trump tariffs to ensure our farmers can access this potato-plant market tariff free? Hon. Ron Kostyshyn (Minister of Agriculture): And let–it's always a great pleasure to talk about the importance of agriculture in the province of Manitoba. Today is the day that we recognize all producers, all industry, towards added-value opportunities in this province, and I need to recognize the importance of food sustainability in our country, and our province is a great contributor to that between providing food not only today but into the future.

The opportunity continues to work forward for busi- ness developing in this province and across Canada. And we talk about tariff, interprovincial trading opportun- ities will exist, and I think we can improve upon that in a positive manner for the benefit of the people– The Speaker: The member's time has expired. The honourable member for Portage la Prairie, on a supplementary question. MLA Bereza: Honourable Speaker, we are the largest potato-growing province in Canada, yet our yields are down compared to Alberta, where there's a new gov- ernment investment in irrigation.

Saskatchewan is spending another one and a half billion dollars on potato irrigation, while Grand Forks is getting a new $450-million potato plant. And now our producers will have to compete with a 25 per cent tariff hanging over their heads and carbon tax to get potatoes to the plant. What is this minister doing to keep potato pro- duction in Manitoba, compete with Saskatchewan, Alberta and North Dakota, and still fighting off these tariffs? Thank you. Mr. Kostyshyn: Thank you for the question, member opposite. The importance of added value in the province continues to grow in our province of Manitoba.

We've recently had a con versation with Simplot about the importance of the Portage potato production, and we continue to work with the industry on the importance of what we see is vital throughout the province of Manitoba. We've been in conversation with Alberta. In fact, recently when we were in SARL talking about potato production, we met with the agriculture minister from

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 427 Alberta, and we talked about different ideas. And the great thing about the fact is that we've become very conscientious of water usage. And I know, talking to our potato growers in our province, of the importance of being– The Speaker: The member's time has expired. The honourable member for Portage la Prairie, on a final supplementary question. MLA Bereza: Honourable Speaker, most of Manitoba's potato production is exported to the US.

While our Manitoba farmers will soon be seeing the effect of a 25 per cent tariff, what is the minister doing to protect our industry and grow it like we're seeing happening in Alberta, Saskatchewan and North Dakota? Why does this minister continue to do nothing for the potato industry? Mr. Kostyshyn: You know, it's kind of ironic for the critic to sit there and say we do nothing for agriculture. Let's go back a couple years ago of the importance of not only the potato industry but overall agri cultural opportunities in this province.

And I stress the importance to the member oppo- site, do you believe in generational young farmer survival in the province of Manitoba? Do you honestly think that is what we need in our opportunity for–make the province what it is today? I do not agree –to the members opposite a 300 per cent increase in Crown lands with the appropriate means of making agriculture what it is today– The Speaker: The member's time has expired. Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order, please. US Tariffs on Steel Industry Concern for Jobs in Selkirk Mr.

Richard Perchotte (Selkirk): The steel industry is one of the most important industries of my constit- uency of Selkirk. Our steel manufacturers and related industries employ approximately 800 men and women in and around Selkirk. * (14:40) Our steel is impor tant. All over North America, including American manufacturers and the American military. Ever since the US President, Donald Trump, threatened tariffs on our steel, this govern ment has been silent on its plan to save steelworkers' jobs. What is this government's plan to save those jobs in Selkirk? Hon.

Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): First of all, we have to stand up to protect people and jobs here in Manitoba and that's what our government is focused on doing. Not only, Honourable Speaker, have we rolled out a response plan that is allowing busi nesses to defer taxes, to taking US booze off the shelves, but also we've been developing a plan for months, one that's working with the busi ness com munity, listen ing to their needs.

We founded a new US Trade Council to make sure that we bring the business com munity together, because, as was very clearly said is our priority is, when we face hard challenges, we must do them and accomplish them when we work together. The Speaker: The honourable member for Selkirk, on a supplementary question. Mr. Perchotte: Honourable Speaker, roughly 800 jobs, 800 men and women who are gainfully employed within good- paying jobs in the steel industry in Selkirk: that's 800 families in my constituency.

Most of that steel is destined for plants in the United States, where it will soon be slapped with a 25 per cent tariff. Despite this, there's been no plan from this government and this Premier (Mr. Kinew) to protect these jobs. What is the government's plan to keep these steel plants open and keep these vital jobs in Selkirk? Mr. Moses: Honourable Speaker, we've reached out directly to busi nesses and steelworkers in the pro - vince. We know and understand the impact that it has. And that's why it's very clear our govern ment does not support the Trump tariff tax. That's without a question.

And that's why it's so confusing to under - stand and learn what members opposite have been saying and why– and curious to Manitobans why they're thanking Trump for the tariffs. It makes no sense. They are completely out to lunch. They don't know what they're talking about and they're com - pletely on the wrong side. On this side of the House, we stand up for Manitobans. We stand up for workers and we'll do it each and every day. The Speaker: The honourable member for Selkirk, on a final supplementary question.

428 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 Mr. Perchotte: Honourable Speaker, Canada's steel industry is under siege from the devastating 25 per cent US tariffs. Selkirk's steel industry is one of the key economic drivers in my constituency. The employers are under pressure to move their plant south of the border, where they will no longer have to pay those tariffs, and yet we see no action from this Premier and no plan from this NDP government. Can the gov ernment even name the steel mill in Selkirk? Mr.

Moses: Honourable Speaker, we've been working directly with them and it's very clear to us the importance of those jobs here in Manitoba. Now let me be clear about one other thing; that we must work together. The member opposite did not get that message. What they said when they heard about Trump tariffs, they said thank you. They love the tariffs. That's part of their plan. We do not go down that road. We work together with Manitobans. We support them.

We listen to them and we bring forward opportunities for them and their businesses to succeed, to make sure we have good jobs right here in Manitoba and support those jobs into the future. We'll do that each and every day, Honour able Speaker, to make sure that we protect jobs in Manitoba. Patient Death at HSC ER Timeline for Critical Incident Report Mrs. Kathleen Cook (Roblin): In January, Chad Giffin passed away while waiting for care in the HSC emergency department. The minister rushed to reassure the media, claiming action was coming.

But weeks later, Manitobans are still waiting; waiting for details on what happened, waiting for answers and waiting for real action to prevent such a tragedy from happening again. The minister told the media on January 24 that an expedited critical incident report would be ready within three weeks. It's now been six weeks and still nothing. What is the status of the critical incident report on Chad Giffin's tragic passing and why is this NDP gov- ernment failing to be transparent with Manitobans? Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long-Term Care): I thank the member opposite for that question.

First and foremost, I want to do some thing that we've done previously but haven't had the opportunity to do in the House, which is reiterate my condolences to his family and to his commu nity. This gentleman was loved by many, many people, loved by his family, loved by many folks in the community, loved by those who he kept around him and who kept him around. And I think it's really impor tant for us to always remember that when a tragedy like this happens, there are people who are directly affected.

So I want to express my deepest condol ences and I'm happy to answer more of the questions brought forward in the next questions. Thank you. The Speaker: The honourable member for Roblin, on a supplementary question. Health-Care System ER Wait Times and Staffing Mrs. Kathleen Cook (Roblin): Honourable Speaker, those are nice words from the minister but they need to back them up with real action. In their recent white paper, the Manitoba Nurses Union slammed this NDP gov ernment for its lack of transparency, refusal to col laborate and failure to listen to front-line health-care workers.

The MNU president told media, quote: Our hospitals are becoming unsafe places to work and unsafe places to receive care all over the province. Unquote. Emergency room wait times tell the same story. At Grace Hospital, median wait times are now over 1.3 hours longer than the same time last year, hitting nearly six hours. This morning, waits at the Grace and HSC were at eight hours. Why is this minister failing to act on the wor - sening crisis in Manitoba's emergency rooms? Hon. Uzoma Asagwara (Minister of Health, Seniors and Long -Term Care): Wait times are down in emergency departments across the city.

We're doing the work that is necessary to be done because that member in the PC caucus closed three emergency rooms, fired hundreds of nurses and cut the services that Manitobans depend on. My priority has been to make sure that that gentleman's family has the infor mation that they deserve. I've had the opportunity, and I want to thank them for sitting with me in my office to have a con - versation. I've had the oppor tunity to listen to the

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 429 family directly and to ensure that they have all the information they need every step of the way. Our priority has been to make sure the family's voices are heard and they have the information. We've been providing it to them proactively, including the details of this CI. Our government has taken action from day one. Our government continues to take action since– The Speaker: Member's time is expired. The honourable member for Roblin on a final supplementary question. Mrs. Cook: Health-care unions have publicly called out this NDP government.

The MNU says they don't see any evidence of the new hires this govern ment claims to have made. The allied health union says there's a disconnect between what the gov ernment says and what their members experience on the front line. But the facts are clear: Manitobans are still waiting for the ER wait times strategy promised in their Throne Speec h, still waiting for answers and action on Chad Giffin's tragic passing. Health-care workers are still waiting for real reinforcements and Manitobans are still waiting for this government to keep its election promises.

Enough with the excuses and the finger pointing and the spin. When will this NDP gov ernment stop worrying about their own highlight reels and start worrying about Manitoba patients? MLA Asagwara: One of the asks of this wonderful gentleman's family was to ensure that we have a relationship with the Public Trustee that gets informa- tion out to next of kin right away. We immediately gave direction to all SDO CEOs to review and amend those specific policies as it relates to notification of next of kin. I'm happy to provide that update to the House that that policy work and change has been done.

That's based on the direction and the ask of his family. Upcoming schedules are regularly reviewed to ensure that all shifts are filled, ensuring all positions– that on -shift have an AED skill set. We've added 44 unit assistants to take vital signs in ERs. Shifts now have a dedi cated vital signs UA or health -care aide. Going forward, there's going to be monthly training sessions for those folks. Waiting room surge protocol was developed in– The Speaker: Member's time is expired.

Manitoba's Manufacturing Industries Concern for Job Security and Export Markets MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): There are certain industries in Manitoba where the provincial government needs to take immediate action, not only to protect industries but to ensure continued growth. For example, take Manitoba's pork industry. There are thousands and thousands of people employed both directly and indirectly, and these individuals are very much dependent on exports that go to the United States.

What is the government prepared to do to ensure the security of these jobs, specifically in this case, the pork industry as a whole? * (14:50) Hon. Jamie Moses (Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation): Honourable Speaker, first of all, we got to do is stand up for our own country, our sovereignty. We can't take the approach of the op- position, where they're saying thank you to these US tariffs. They're obviously going to have a huge impact, particularly on our agriculture industries, like pork. And that's why we're working with them directly.

We've invited Cam Dahl from the pork industry to be on our US Trade Council so we can hear from them and that industry directly and we ensure that the policies and the response we have as a province are reflective of meeting their needs. This is the work that we do to be a real govern - ment that's taking the concerns of Manitoba pro- ducers, Manitoba businesspeople to heart as we move forward and move our economy to the future and make sure that we protect jobs for all Manitobans. The Speaker: The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a supplementary question.

MLA Lamoureux: Honourable Speaker, one of the ways in which we can ensure the future prosperity of the pork industry is to look for alter native markets outside of the United States. For example, we know the Philippines is a country that consumes a great deal of pork. So to what degree is the Province working with Ottawa and the Philippines to ensure that we can enhance or grow our export markets beyond the United States.

430 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 Mr. Moses: Honourable Speaker, I think it's really important that we do continue to diversify our markets across the globe, and this is exactly the projects that are priorities for our government. We continue to work with organizations like Cereals Canada to make sure that we provide the expertise, the knowledge, the know -how and the resources to get our products to markets across the globe. This is the work that we're doing in earnest, in collaboration with industry partners, like the pork association, like the beef association, like CAP.

And as we move forward with these initiatives, we're going to ensure that we protect jobs, we make sure we work for producers and move our economy forward in– despite of the face–the threats that we face from the White House. The Speaker: The honourable member for Tyndall Park, on a final supplementary question. MLA Lamoureux: Honourable Speaker, what we do know is that there are a number of industries that are very much reliant on exports, and these industries em- ploy tens of thousands of people across the province.

Manitoba needs to identify these industries, whether it be our pork industry, our aerospace industry; in essence, all of our manufacturing industries. Honourable Speaker, what specific actions is the government taking to protect Manitobans and ensure that they do not lose their jobs? Mr. Moses: Honourable Speaker, we are absolutely laser-focused on protecting jobs here in Manitoba; that goes without question. Members opposite can question whether they want Canadians to move and become Americans or not. That is something that is off the table for us.

We are squarely focused on protecting jobs, and we do it each and every day. Let me tell you, Honourable Speaker, that we are working together collaboratively with the folks on the US Trade Council to make sure that we respond to those needs. We're listening to them by implementing the deferral on taxes. We're taking US boo ze off the shelves to make sure that we support the buy- local efforts. These are all concrete initiatives that help protect jobs in Canada. That is unquestionable a priority for us.

And we'll do that every time we get a chance to make sure we protect Manitoba jobs, make sure we protect Canadian jobs. [interjection] The Speaker: Member's time has expired. US Tariffs on Canadian Goods Update on Manitoba's Response MLA Robert Loiselle (St. Boniface): Honourable Speaker, yesterday the US President imposed tariffs on all Canadian products entering the United States. This unjustified and confounding action has caused volatility in the market and has both American and Canadian producers and consumers anxious about the road ahead. But Canadians are united across the country.

As we respond to this economic threat, we are united in Canadian pride, freedom and resilience. Can the Premier update the House on the measures the government is taking to protect workers here at home? Hon. Wab Kinew (Premier): En tant que Canadiens, nous répondrons toujours dans une façon bilingue. Translation As Canadians, we will always respond in bilingual fashion. English It's a question of who we are as Canadians. So your government is there protecting your jobs with the tax deferral incentive, pushing back against the United States by pulling liquor off the Liquor Mart shelves from that country.

And we're also doing the work of working with the other provinces and the federal gov- ernment to remove trade barriers. Hopefully, there'll be an update later today and very soon on that. But one of the things that we need when taking on a larger adversary is leverage. And one of the ways that you create leverage is by being unified. On the other hand, the PCs want to splinter this country. They got one member today talking about joining the US, they got one leadership candidate who endorsed Trump; another one who thanked him.

And I would point out, in the members' statement today on the Ukraine, their member refused to con- demn Vladimir Putin. Unequivocally, he was the aggressor. We condemn Putin. We stand with Ukraine. We stand with– The Speaker: Member's time has expired.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 431 Manitoba Housing Benefit Funding Concerns Mrs. Carrie Hiebert (Morden-Winkler): Honour- able Speaker, we all want to see the–an end to the homelessness in our communities and in our province. Last summer, the Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness tried to throw 400 low -income Manitobans out on the street when she personally cancelled the Canada- Manitoba Housing Benefit. This is a rent top -up program designed to help Manitobans at risk of becoming homeless. Now we understand the minister is doing it again.

Honourable Speaker, when will this minister properly fund this government's own program to–and stop more Manitobans from becoming at risk of homelessness? Hon. Bernadette Smith (Minister of Housing, Addictions and Homelessness): Let me explain how the Canada–how this benefit works. So this is a federal benefit that we cost match. So the federal minister was just in the province last week. We've been working really hard to get the federal minister to commit more money to Manitobans so that more Manitobans can access this benefit. Unfortunately, the federal government hasn't come to the table with more funds.

We did. We topped up this benefit almost $2 million. We still have provincial benefits that we have; we have the Rent Assist, we have the rental credit–rent relief loan, we have rental tax credits, some thing that members opposite didn't do. Rental–they're trying to act like they care about folks that are unhoused now– The Speaker: Member's time has expired. The honourable member for Morden-Winkler, on a supplementary question. Mrs. Hiebert: Honourable Speaker, every Manitoban deserves to live in a home with dignity–a safe home with dignity.

Last summer, 400 Manitobans living in poverty couldn't afford their rents because the minister cancelled the rent top -up program. Now the program is cancelled again. How many more Manitobans are now at risk of becoming homeless because the NDP gov ernment isn't adequately funding this vital program? Ms. Smith: Again, what I would say to that member is to ask the federal govern ment why they're not funding that program. We again will continue to provide assistance through the rental assist program, through the rental relief loans, through the rental tax credit.

But that member can look across at their col - leagues and ask their colleagues: why they were selling off Manitoba housing; why they were boarding up Manitoba housing; why, through one transaction, they sold off hundreds of units; why they were okay walking out this building every single day seeing people living in bus shelters. That member has to ask her colleagues. Was she in support of that? The Speaker: The time for oral questions has expired. Speaker's Rulings The Speaker: And I have a ruling for the House. Following the land acknowledgement on December 2, 2024, the honourable member for Fort Garry (Mr.

Wasyliw) raised a matter of contempt alleging that the Premier (Mr. Kinew) had failed to provide a response to a matter taken under advisement in the Committee of Supply within the deadline set out in the Rules of the House. The member contended that this failure infringed on his rights as a member, and he accused the Premier of being in contempt of the Assembly.

The member concluded his remarks by moving that this House censure the Premier for their disregard for the traditions and practices of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba and their contempt for the people of Manitoba; and that this House order the Premier to produce the infor mation contained in the notice of advise ment within 24 hours of the Speaker's ruling. * (15:00) The honourable Government House Leader (MLA Fontaine) and the member for Spruce Woods (Mr. Jackson) spoke to the matter before I took it under advisement.

As matters of contempt are rarely raised in this House, I will begin by providing some general information for members. Joseph Maingot states on page 14 of Parliamentary Privilege in Canada that contempt can be described as an offence against the authority or dignity of the House.

Further, as Bosc and Gagnon note on page 81 of the House of Commons Procedure and Practice, the House can claim that the right to punish, as a contempt, any action which – through–though not a breach of specific privileges, tends t o obstruct or impede the House in the per - formance of its function, obstructs or impedes any member or officer of the House in the discharge of

432 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 their duties or is an offence against the authority and dignity of the House. It is worth noting that–here that the standard for such a breach is quite high. In order for a matter of contempt to be ruled as a prima facie case, the member must demonstrate that the issue has been raised at the earliest opportunity while also providing sufficient evidence to support the claim that a contempt of the House has occurred.

On the condition of timeliness, the member indicated in his submission that December 2, 2024, was his first opportunity to raise this matter in the House. Given that the breach of the rule as described by the member occurred after November 29, 2024, I would agree that this was, indeed, his first earliest opportunity to raise this matter. Regarding the question of evidence, while the member raised several complaints on this matter, his core allegation was that the Premier (Mr. Kinew) failed to respond to the member's question taken under advisement within 45 days.

He argued that this failure breached our rules regarding matters taken under advisement in the Committee of Supply. The member further contended that, by refusing to answer ques - tions after claiming the Premier would provide that information, it prevents an MLA from doing their job and holding the government to an account.

For reference, our subrule 77(16) reads as follows: during the consideration of departmental Estimates and the debate on the concurrence motion in the Committee of Supply, when a minister takes a ques - tion under advisement they must, within 45 days of the question being asked, respond to the question. The member is partially correct in his allegation here. As he established in his submission, the 45 days in question here expired two days before he raised this matter.

However, the member also noted in his submission that this same rule is silent as to a remedy as to what occurs when a minister has breached that order. This second point is relevant to my con sidera- tion of this situation. The Standing Committee on Rules of the House adopted provisions of subrule 77(16) on June 26, 2015, and the House subsequently ratified that decision. During the consideration of that rule, the committee chose not to include any consequence for failing to meet the 45 -day deadline.

Accordingly, as the rule imposes a requirement without a con- sequence, the Speaker is not provided with a mechanism to respond to a breach. I would also note that while the rule provides a range of options for ministers to provide information to a member, it does not require the Clerk's office to track the provision for answers to members. Accordingly, the clerks and the Speaker will not always know if a minister has met the time limit required by the rule. It is important to note here that the basis of the member's complaint is a breach of a rule of this House.

I reference this because members should know that any matter con cerning the methods by which the House proceeds in the conduct of business would be a question of order, not privilege or potential privilege. Joseph Maingot in the Second Edition of the Parliamentary Privilege in Canada states, on page 14, that allegations of breach of privilege by a member in the House that amount to complaints about procedures and practices in the House are, by their very na ture, matters of order.

He also states, on page 223 of the same edition, that a breach of the standing orders or a failure to follow an established practice would invoke a point of order rather than a question of privilege. With all of this in mind I could see how not responding to this matter under advisement in a timely manner could be considered discourteous or disrespectful to the member. However, I would not agree that the Premier was in contempt of the House. Accordingly, after careful con sideration, I rule that the member for Fort Garry (Mr. Wasyliw) did not prove a prima facie case of contempt in this matter.

Before I conclude, I will note, as well, for the record, that the information the member for Fort Garry had requested related to the Premier's attendance at a respectful work place training seminar. In her response to the member's matter of contempt sub- mission, the honourable Gov ernment House Leader (MLA Fontaine) shared with the House that the Premier attended a respectful work place training seminar on February 29, 2024.

I do not understand why it took 47 days for that infor mation to be shared with the member and with the House, and I would respectfully request all ministers be more attentive to such obligations in the future. I would also note that in my time as a member of this House, I have observed that ministers from both parties have sometimes failed to meet the standards set by this rule for providing opposition members with information in a timely way. While I do not believe that this would be a contempt of the House, I do believe that it is

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 433 disrespectful. In my opinion anyone who has earned the privilege of being appointed a minister of the Crown should aspire to fulfill the obligations of that role to the best of their abilities, including responding in a timely manner to a request for infor mation from other members of this House. I thank all members for their attention to this ruling. I have a further ruling for the House.

During private members' business on December 5, 2024, the member for Waverley (MLA Pankratz) rose on a point of order alleging that while speaking in debate, the Leader of the Official Opposition (Mr. Ewasko) used inappropriate language and called into question the impartiality of the Chair. The Official Opposition House Leader (Mr. Johnson) also spoke to the matter before the Deputy Speaker took it under advisement so that the Hansard transcript could be reviewed. I have reviewed the Hansard transcript for that morning. It is clear to me that certain comments made by the Leader of the Official Opposition (Mr.

Ewasko) were unfortunate and caused some disorder. It had to be addressed by the Deputy Speaker on several occasions. * (15:10) However, I do not believe that his comments called into question the impartiality of the Chair, nor were they unparliamentary. I would therefore rule that the member for Waverley did not have a point of order.

Having said that, I respectfully request that in the future all members carefully consider their comments before they speak in the House to ensure what they say cannot be taken as a reflection on the Chair, on the role of the Chair, on the rulings of the Chair or on the performance of individuals in the Chair. Thank you. * * * The Speaker: We will now go to orders of the day– petitions, I'm sorry. How could I forget that? Seeing no petitions, we will now move to a matter of urgent public importance.

MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE The Speaker: The Leader of the Official Opposition, on a matter of urgent public importance. Mr. Wayne Ewasko (Leader of the Official Opposition): I move, seconded by the MLA for Midland, that in accordance with subrule 39(1), the regular business of the House be set aside to discuss a matter of urgent public importance, spe cifically the need to protect Manitoba busi nesses and consumers from the economic impact of American tariffs and to develop a long-term 'interprovincianal'–interprovincial trade strategy.

The Speaker: Before recog nizing the honour able– any other honour able members–I should remind all honourable members that under rule 39(2), the mover of a motion on a matter of urgent public importance and one member from the other organized parties in the House are allowed no more than 10 minutes to explain the urgency of debating the matter imme - diately. As stated in Beauchesne, citation 390, urgency, in this context, means the urgent and imme- diate debate not of the subject matter of the motion.

In their remarks, members should focus exclusively on whether or not there is urgency of debate and whether or not the ordinary oppor tunities for debate will enable the House to consider the matter early enough to ensure that the public interest will not suffer. So it has been moved by the honour able Leader of the Official Op position, seconded by the hon our- able member for Midland (Mrs.

Stone), that, in accordance with subrule 39(1), the regular business of the House be set aside to discuss a matter of urge nt public importance, spe cifically the need to protect Manitoba businesses and consumers for the economic impact of American tariffs and to develop a long-term interprovincial strategy. Point of Order Hon.

Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): On a point of order, I'd like to ask for leave to canvass the House to see if there's leave to debate the govern- ment resolution on today's Notice Paper, titled, and I quote, Manitoba is Stronger Standing Together Against Donald Trump's Tariff Tax and Threats. The Speaker: So, just for clari fication purposes, the Leader of the Official Op position will get his 10 minutes to speak to the MUPI when we are finished dealing with this leave request.

434 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 So is there leave to debate the gov ernment reso- lution on today's Notice Paper, titled Manitoba is stronger standing together against Donald Trump' s tariff and–tax and threats. Is there leave? Some Honourable Members: Agreed. Some Honourable Members: No. The Speaker: Leave has been denied. * * * The Speaker: Now, the Leader of the Official Opposition, on his MUPI. Mr. Ewasko: It gives me great pleasure to stand up and speak to this topic that is absolutely a Matter of Urgent Public Importance.

And it's interesting, Honourable Speaker, that when we get into these wonderful Chambers and we–it's unfortunate, though, that we have to talk about this topic today. So today we want to talk about an issue that impacts economies around the world: tariffs.

Specific- ally, Hon ourable Speaker, the tariffs that have recently been brought in by President Trump and the United States to Canada, an issue that, while it has been threatened by the USA for months, came into reality approximately 24 hours ago, when a 25 per cent tariff on virtually all Canadian goods, and a 10 per cent tariff on Canadian energy, was imposed. In retaliation, Hon ourable Speaker –I know that the members opposite are going to have an opportun- ity to speak.

It's unfor tunate that their House leader did not do their homework and get their stuff done ahead of time again, but they will have an opportunity to put words on the record. In retaliation, the Government of Canada advised it will slap a 25 per cent tariff on $30 billion worth of American goods coming into Canada, effective imme- diately. While tariffs, which are taxes on imports, may seem like an easy solution to protecting domestic industries or generating govern ment revenue, they are, in fact, a poor economic policy with wide - reaching negative consequences.

First and foremost, tariffs distort market forces. The essence of a competitive market is that goods and services are exchanged based on supply, demand and price. When governments impose tariffs, specifically the ones put on to Canada by President Trump, they artificially raise the cost of imported goods, making them more expensive for consumers. Unlike the Premier of Manitoba (Mr.

Kinew), standing in his spot with his colleagues, all side by side and mocking the President, instead of actually taking initiatives on making plans, creating plans that they should have been doing for months, they sit there and they mock the President of the United States and, in turn, mock our Prime Minister of Canada today. When govern ments impose tariffs, they are artificially rising that cost. This disrupts the natural flow of trade and forces people to pay more for items that could be produced more efficiently abroad. As a result, consumers face higher prices.

Tariffs might protect certain industries in the short term, but they do so at the expense of the consumer and the entrepreneur. Everyday products, from electronics to food, become more costly. This is not only an inconvenience for consumers, but also a direct hit to the standard of living, Honourable Speaker. When prices rise, people's purchasing power decreases, leading to a reduction in overall consump- tion and economic growth. We know from history that societies that embrace tariff -free trade around the globe become wealthier over time.

They have more stable economies and gain access to goods that their own countries may not possess or produce in greater quantities. Trade ensures growing businesses, economic growth, jobs and access to new and better products. It lifts up all the individuals in society. Tariffs also harm industries that rely on global supply chains, much like Gerdau, great city of Selkirk, which I'm glad that the minister across the way is learning the name of that company today.

In today's interconnected world, many industries depend on importing raw materials, parts or com - ponents to assemble finished products. [interjection] It's unfortunate that there's name calling coming from the government benches, Honourable Speaker, but I'm sure you have that under control. This not only hurts their competitiveness, but can also lead to job losses as companies are forced to cut costs to relocate production abroad. * (15:20) Another–other nations affected by tariffs typically respond with their own tariffs, creating a cycle of escalating trade barriers which we are seeing, Honour- able Speaker.

This tit -for-tat approach leads to a reduction in international trade, making it harder for all countries to access goods and services at com - petitive prices. In the long term, this can lead to trade

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 435 wars which disrupt global markets and harm economic stability. We're seeing this already. Furthermore, tariffs dispropor tionately harm the poorest segments of this society. These individuals spend a higher percentage of their income on goods and services that are subject to tariffs. By increasing prices on essential items, tariffs create a greater financial burden for those who can least afford it, exasperating inequality and social unrest. Historically, the negative effects of tariffs have been well documented.

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 is a prime example. It raised tariffs on thou - sands of goods, leading to a dramatic decline in inter- national trade, and worsening the Great Depression. While protectionist measures may seem like a quick fix during times of economic dif ficulty, the long-term con sequences are detrimental, not just to one country but to the global economy as a whole. So what's the alter native to tariffs? Free trade based on a fair competition and mutual co- operation offers the best path forward, Hon ourable Speaker.

It encourages innovation, lowers prices and creates more opportunities for consumers and busi nesses alike. Trade agreements that reduce barriers and promote co-operation among nations lead to economic growth and better standards of living of people around the world. Tariffs on Canada can have several negative effects, both for Canada and the country imposing the tariffs.

Here are some of the reasons why they generally seem–are seen as harmful: higher prices for consumers, economic strain on businesses, retaliation and trade wars, negative impact on supply chains, harm to the global economy and it disrupts NAFTA and U-M-S-C-A. Overall, tariffs on Canada put forward by President Trump in the USA to not only Canada and many countries around the world are going to have major economic challenges and harm to the–not only the consumers, but to each and every person who buys, purchases and runs businesses in each and every country.

Honourable Speaker, in conclusion, the reason why we need to move forward on this debate this afternoon is –first of all, it's urgent, this is the first available time to be able to do this. Secondly, we asked questions in question period today; we're getting no answers from this govern ment, so I think it's going to be quality time this afternoon for mem - bers of the government side also to participate in this debate/discussion about what are they really planning on doing to protect our economy here in Manitoba.

We took it upon ourselves to forgo our petitions, that there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, thousands of Manitobans that are waiting and watching at home, Honourable Speaker, to see if their petition gets read today. But this topic is so important that that's why we forgo those.

We want to, again, put that olive branch out to the government and once again ask for them to consider the bipartisan com mittee on finding solutions right here in Manitoba that will strengthen our economy, protect our business, protect those great jobs, protect those industries that continue to make Manitoba – what's great in Manitoba. And also taking a look at what else can we do cross-jurisdictionally in this great province of ours to bring down some of those barriers to that free trade across provincial lines.

And also, we, on this side of the House, Honourable Speaker, and Manitobans not only watching today but through the media, have been waiting now for just over a month for the Premier (Mr. Kinew) to bring forward his plan that he pro- mised on February 1. He said he had a plan, he said he had plans that he was developing prior to the presidential election in the United States of America. We just want to see it. It's going to have the op- portunity today to bring forward and showcase it to Manitobans. Thank you, Honourable Speaker. Let's get on with the debate. Hon.

Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): Honourable Speaker, just before I get to–Honourable Speaker, just before I respond to the MUPI, on a point of order. Point of Order The Speaker: The honour able Gov ernment House Leader, on a point of order. MLA Fontaine: Could you please canvass the House to see if there is leave to debate the government reso- lution on today's Notice Paper, titled Manitoba is Stronger Standing Together Against Donald Trump's Tariff Tax and Threats, during orders of the day.

The Speaker: Is there leave to debate the government resolution on today's Notice Paper, titled Manitoba is Stronger Standing Together Against Donald Trump's Tariff Tax and Threats. Is– during orders of the day today.

436 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 Is there leave? [Agreed] * * * Mr. Derek Johnson (Official Opposition House Leader): Can you please canvass the House to see if there's will to not recognize the clock and ensure that every member speaks and has spoken to it who wishes to speak and have the question put on their –yes, the resolution. The Speaker: Is there leave to not see the clock–and I'm going to paraphrase here–is there leave to not see the clock until every member who wishes to speak on the resolution has had the opportunity? Is there leave? Some Honourable Members: Agreed.

Some Honourable Members: No. The Speaker: Leave has been denied. The hon ourable Gov ernment House Leader, on the MUPI. MLA Fontaine: I'm pleased to get up in the House today to put a couple of words on the record in respect of the members opposite's MUPI. Let me just start by saying I've actually never been more proud of our Premier (Mr. Kinew) and our team who has, since we learned of the possible tariffs, of the response from the leadership of the NDP gov- ernment, and, again, under our Premier. I have to put that out there.

Our Premier has been working so extraordinarily hard, standing up for Manitobans and standing up for Canadians under what is an existential threat from President Donald Trump. We've actually never seen this in our lifetime, the threat that Canada is under, the threat that Manitoba is under, the threat that our busi- nesses, the threat that our agri culture, the threat that our families are under right now under the current administration in the US. We've been working incred ibly, incredibly hard responding to that threat, again, from the very, very beginning. You know who hasn't? Members opposite.

Members opposite have, you know, buried their heads in the sand in respect of responding to this very, very real threat. I haven't seen them anywhere. I haven't seen them at any rallies. I haven't seen them, you know, waving the Canadian flag. I haven't seen them outside yesterday. Nobody knows where members opposite have been in the last several months since President Donald Trump started threatening Canada's very existence. None of us know where they are. Manitobans don't know where they are because they've been virtually silent on this threat and this issue.

Not only, you know, for the most part, they've all been silent, but we've seen that, you know, those individuals, those men that are right now vying for the leadership of the PC caucus, endorse Donald Trump. * (15:30) We have Wally–I don't know what his last name is, but we've got Wally who's trying to be the leader of the PC caucus, who in his great wisdom thought that it was funny to talk about in an attempt to address the homelessness, unsheltered issue that we have– The Speaker: Order, please. I would remind the member to keep her comment strictly relevant to the MUPI.

MLA Fontaine: I will keep my comments to the MUPI. It's important to understand that while members opposite have brought forward this MUPI today, the men that are vying to become the leaders of the Manitoba PC govern ment are in support of Donald Trump. It is incredibly important that Manitobans under- stand that the two men, the two individuals that are vying to become the PC leader have endorsed–have openly and proudly endorsed Donald Trump. And the other one over here, the member for Fort Whyte (Mr.

Khan)–again who's coming in polling second now–thanked the US gov ernment, thanked the President for this threat against our province and our country. So it's a sad state of affairs when members oppo- site, you know, get up in the House to bring forward a MUPI and try to feign concern in respect of this threat. But they have the –these two individuals who openly support Donald Trump. They actually have quite a few members within their PC Party that openly and gladly and proudly support Donald Trump.

I'll remind the House that their campaign manager or whatever she was, Candice Bergen, proudly posted a picture wearing a MAGA hat, a MAG A hat which I'll remind members in the House, is the equivalent of a modern- day KKK hat, and that's what members opposite have within their midst.

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 437 So they get up in the House and they're feigning concern about this but they have members in their party just today–just today, Honourable Speaker–the member for Borderland (Mr. Guenter) who has courted anti-vaxxers, who has courted folks that the truck convoys–and I think wanted to give them tea biscuits and tea and coffee and all of that stuff while they were out there with their grotesque protest – today, he's encouraging Manitobans to cross the border or to open up our border and welcome the US into our province to take us over as a 51st state.

Again, as our Premier has said, and as every single member opposite here has said publicly, on our social media, in the House, every–in the media, Canada will never become the 51st state, ever. And our NDP govern ment, our caucus, will always stand up for Manitobans. We will always stand up for our Canadian family under the threat that we are now posed with, with–under President Donald Trump. So, again, our Premier (Mr. Kinew) has been working incredibly hard. I mean, it's no wonder that our Premier is the No. 1 most popular Premier across Manitoba, because he puts the work in.

He puts the work in to represent Manitoba in a good way, to represent our government and our team in a good way and to represent Canada in a good way, not only here in the province, not only when he's in Ottawa, but when he's across the border meeting with the current administration. So, we're very proud of the work that our govern- ment is doing. I would question again the validity of the MUPI that's being brought forward by the mem - bers when none of us have seen them.

There's been not a peep from members opposite in the last couple of months, and the only peeps that we've gotten is from those members thanking, supporting and proudly–proudly–supporting President Donald Trump and his threat against our province, against our country, against our morals, against our values, against what we stand for as Manitobans and Canadians. I never heard one peep from any single member opposite when President Trump got up and made an executive order that there's only two genders. The damage and the harm and the dangerous rhetoric– The Speaker: Order, please. Order, please.

MATTER OF PRIVILEGE Mr. Obby Khan (Fort Whyte): Honourable Speaker, I rise on a matter of privilege. The Speaker: The honour able member for Fort Whyte, on a matter of privilege. Mr. Khan: I rise on a matter of privilege. As I know, a matter of privilege is a very serious matter, so I do not take this lightly. The Premier (Mr. Kinew), the Minister of Business, Mining, Trade and Job Creation (Mr.

Moses) and now the Government House Leader (MLA Fontaine), along with many others of this Premier's Cabinet colleagues have gone out of their way today to inten tionally and maliciously misquote me in this House in a clear attempt to disparage me and our party. The Premier and the Government House Leader, along with the Minister of Busi ness, Mining, Trade and Job Creation quoted–misquoted from an inter - view I had back in February. The Premier chose to cherry-pick and omit lines from the quote. He, along with his team, took great liberties to mislead this House and Manitobans.

Here is the quote –full quote –to set the record straight, Honour able Speaker: One of his –Trump– clear wins was a change in federal gov ernment he wanted. Justin Trudeau is gone now. Thank God he's gone. So how much influence did the 25 per cent tariff threat have on that? I would say a lot. Period. I was like, thank you. Thank you, he's gone now. Thank you, he's gone now. So now we just need to get rid of Wab and unleash Manitoba. End quote. Honourable Speaker and Manitobans at home, you can go back and watch the podcast. You can clearly see that this Premier, this– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh.

The Speaker: Order, please. Order, please. Order, please I would remind members, when speaking in the House, it is against our rules to use a member's name. They can use their title as minister, they can use their title as Premier, they can use their con stituency, but they cannot use their name. Mr. Khan: I apologize for that. I was under the impression that if I was reading the name within a quote it was allowed, but I do apologize. To be clear, Hon ourable Speaker, you can see, you can hear, you can watch the video, clear as day, that I am thanking that Justin Trudeau is gone.

I am thanking that now we need to move forward and remove this Premier so we can unleash Manitoba.

438 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA March 5, 2025 The Premier, the Government House Leader have maliciously and purposely gone out of their way to mislead Manitobans and misrepresent my quote. You can clearly see this from the quote. A false narrative of what was actually said. It is sad and disgusting that across the way now, members of the NDP are trying to heckle and shout me down when I'm simply standing up and reading my own quote. The blatant misrepresentation of facts–the quotes– directly impedes my ability to do my duties in this Legislature.

I'll repeat that again, Honourable Speaker, because that's why I rise on a matter of privilege. The blatant misrepresentation of facts, mis representation of the quote from this Premier, from this Government House Leader and members of the NDP directly im - pede my ability to do my duties in this Legislature. I stand by the words in that podcast and the fact is that the tariffs are bad. The tariffs are starting an economic war between our countries. I do not support them in any way. Insinuating otherwise is a clear fabrication by this Premier (Mr.

Kinew), Government House Leader (MLA Fontaine) and the entire NDP caucus. * (15:40) There are two things that were very clear from my interview. If the Premier, or anyone on that side, decided to watch the interview is that,

(1) I stand against the Trump tariffs and tariffs will hurt everyone; and

(2) Justin Trudeau needs to be gone, sooner than later. I hope both of those things will be gone by tomorrow. For that, I will say thank you. There is a precedent, Honourable Speaker, that in- tentional efforts to attack the reputation of a member in this House is a violation of a privilege, and directly impedes my ability to do my duties in this Legislature. The Premier and members of the ND P purposely misled Manitobans with that quote.

They picked and chose what they wanted so that they could get their sound bites for Manitobans while the truth has come home, and the truth is now all Manitobans can see the lies and the misrepresentation of this NDP. Smoke and mirrors and false statements. I move– The Speaker: Order, please. I would caution the member very strongly about suggesting that a member in this Chamber is lying. So the member should be very careful with his language. Mr.

Khan: I move, seconded by the member from Portage la Prairie, that the Premier, Gov ernment House Leader and the Minister of Busi ness, Mining, Trade and Job Creation withdraw their remarks and apologize immediately. The Speaker: Before recognizing any other members to speak to the matter of privilege, I would ask anyone speaking to keep their comments relevant to the matter of privilege. Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): We won't be apologizing anytime soon, just to be clear with the member. Honourable Speaker, I have the quote in question here. And now the member for Fort Whyte (Mr.

Khan) is using revisionist history as he is–tends to do. The quote is: Trump wants a win. And I think one of his clear wins, and a lot of Canadians' wins, was a change in federal govern ment. He wanted JT gone, and thank God he's gone. So how much influence did 25 per cent tariff threat have on that, I would say a lot. And I would say thank you. I would say thank you he is gone now. So let's be clear, Hon ourable Speaker, let's be clear. The member for Fort Whyte– Some Honourable Members: Oh, oh. The Speaker: Order. Order.

The member of the –Government House Leader has the floor, and I would ask all members to try and control themselves. MLA Fontaine: Members opposite are clapping and so excited that the member for Fort Whyte–again, the second runner for the PC leadership–they're excited that Donald Trump, a foreign entity, influenced Canadian politics. That's what you all are clapping for. You're excited that Donald Trump influenced Canadian politics to fit their narrative and that's what they're clapping for.

Clearly the quote illustrates that members opposite, the member for Fort Whyte, again, second in the leadership race to become the new PC leader, is thanking Donald Trump for interfering in Canadian politics and pushing out a sitting Prime Minister. If Manitobans and Canadians are not concerned with that, they should be. Members opposite are welcoming and thanking so heartedly that a president from across the border is influencing Canadian politics. And why is President Donald Trump in- fluencing Canadian politics? Because he wants to take Canada over. He wants to annex Canada for our resources and our minerals.

And that's what members

March 5, 2025 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 439 opposite are so excited for. That's what they're doubling down on right now, today. They're doubling down on this threat to Manitoba and to Canada. So we will not be apologizing. Our Premier, myself, anybody else on this side of the House will never apologize, certainly to the member for Fort Whyte. And we will never apologize to that whole caucus for standing up for Manitoba and for standing up for Canada. Canada will never become part of the US.

The Speaker: I thank members for their comments on the matter of privilege that has been raised by the Hon- ourable member for Fort Whyte. I would like to inform the House that Joseph Maingot advises on page 254 of the second edition of Parliamentary Privilege in Canada that language that impugns the integrity of members would be unparliamentary and a breach of order, contrary to the standing orders but not a breach of privilege.

Therefore the honourable member does not have a prima facie matter of privilege. * * * The Speaker: The honour able Gov ernment House Leader to conclude her remarks on the matter of urgent public importance. MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE (Continued) Hon. Nahanni Fontaine (Government House Leader): As I was saying before we were interrupted by the member for Fort Whyte (Mr. Khan) because he doesn't even understand his own quote, and I think his feelings are hurt. I would say this again–once again: our govern - ment is working so incred ibly hard on behalf of Manitobans.

And our govern ment is working so in - credibly hard on behalf of all Canadians. What members opposite don't realize is that, for seven and a half years, Manitoba had no hope. Manitobans were scared, they didn't feel listened to, they were thrown away callously by both Brian Pallister and Heather Stefanson and every single one of those members opposite. Manitoba is a beacon right now. We're a beacon of hope. We're a beacon of compassion. We're a beacon of showing that leadership is capable and that we work hard and that we honour and stand up for Manitoba families and for all of Canadian families.

We are a beacon across this country and I'm so proud to be a part of this government that will stand up for Manitoba and stand up for Canada 24-7, 365 days a year. Miigwech. The Speaker: I thank members for their advice to the Chair on a motion proposed by the –the honour able member for Tyndall Park. MLA Cindy Lamoureux (Tyndall Park): Honour- able Speaker, I would also like to respond to the MUPI. The Speaker: Does the honourable–is the honourable member requesting leave? Does the hon ourable member have leave to respond to the matter of urgent public importance? Some Honourable Members: Yes.

Some Honourable Members: No. The Speaker: Leave has been denied. [interjection] Order, please. So I thank members for their advice to the Chair on the motion proposed by the honour able Leader of the Official Op position (Mr. Ewasko) requesting debate on a matter of urgent public importance. The 90-minutes' notice required prior to the start of routine proceedings by subrule 39(1) was provided, and I thank the member for that. Under our rules and practices, the subject matter requiring urgent consid eration must be so pressing that the public interest will suffer if the matter is not given immediate attention.

Crucially, there must also be no other reasonable op portunities to raise the matter. I have listened very carefully to the arguments put forward. Clearly, the matter of protecting Manitoba businesses and consumers from economic impact of American tariffs and developing long- term interprovincial trade strategy is relevant to this House. * (15:50) However, as I noted a moment ago, my duty in this moment is also to determine if there are other op- portunities for debate on such matters.

With that in mind, I must now note that members have several op- portunities to raise this matter: they could raise it as a member's statement; they

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