Volume XL Wednesday ~ Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT (Hansard} Speaker : Honourable P.J. McNicholas Number 61 22 June 1988

The House met at 2:00 p.m. MR . SPEAKER (McNicholas): Order, plc-?.ase! Statements by Ministers MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries. SOME HON. MEMBERS: HE.~ar, hear·! MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you. Mr·. Speaker', this governmE:'nt 'is aware of the potential of the aquaculture industry to the Fishery of this Province.

Significant progrE!SS has bN1n made in t:he cul.ture of var·tous species but we r·ealiZE:1 that local grot.uers rn u s L. c o 1 n p e t:. e t~.ri t h o t h (:1 r p r o v i n u1 s and countries who have been producing these same species for yE!ars and on a much lar•ger scale. We ar·e, t.herE!for·e, s t:.r·iving t·.o diversify and increase our efforts towards commercial aquaculture producUon. Beginning in 1971 the Department of Fisheries embarked on a long term study to determine the feasibility of scallop cultur'E! in this Province.

This involved irnportJ.ng technology from Japan and adapting this technology to our local environment. At that time, tlJ.Jo princj_pal impediments to the developiTlE!nl: oF a cornrner·cially viable scallop industry were ident:ifi .(:>d. Fi.r·sl, the i.ncons i.s tE!I'd.: supply of juvenile scallops or spat from the natural (:'nwi .r·onment, and SE!Condly, L3ll-3 8 June 22, 1988 Vol XL excessive marine algae growth on +.:he I'H:1t enclosur·es re!duced gr'oto~Jth of the sca1lops and increased the labour rE!qui.red +.·.o kE!E!p the I1E!ts clean. Mr.

Speaker, although initial results were somewhat discouraging, it was believed that the problems identified could be resolved through a concerted and focused scientific research program. Over the past thirteen years, this governmen t has continually provided research funding to Memorial University's Marine Science Resear ch Laboratory in an effort to overcome the Lrnpc"'d-i.rnent:s +·.o a cornmE!rcial scaJ.lop industry.

The research condu c l::ed by the marine Jab focused on methods to provide a consJstE•nl: suppJy of juveniJ.es which is a fundamental requisite t o a c h ··i. r:! v .i. n g C~! c o n o rn .-i. c v ·1 a b i l. i t y . Mr·. Sp< :'r.tkE!r', Tam pleasE!d today to inform hon. colleagues in thE! House of Assembly that, fo1lowing many years of research, some of these major technological impediments now appear to have been r·esolued. In 1987, after tE!n year's of work, Dr.

Patrick Dabinett:, a rE:1SE!archE!r at Memor·ial' s Marine Science Research Lab identified the delicate baJ.ance between water temperature, light. and the type of fr:,ed requir·ed to get yotHlg scallops to begin feeding, grow and settle. He has now bc~en able to repeat this experiment with reasonable reliability and low mortality rates. Member · s of the House wiJ.l bE:' pleasP.d lo no 1:E,1 that this (:1arly success in the production of ~;cal lop Spd 1.: "i.s i:l sign-i.Foicant breakthrough in t.he aquacuJ.ture scene and that researchers tn No . 6 1 R3438

several countries have been trying to solve this problem for many years, but without the success achieved by Dr. Dabinett and his colleagues. I am , t h e r· E! f o r· e , M r . S pea k E! r , lJ e r y pleased to advise that my department is now providing additional support of $100,000 to Mem<H'i .al UnilJE!rs:i.ty' s M.:tr·i.nG Sc:i.ences ReSE!arch Lab to aid Dr. DabineLt i.n !::hE~ conslructi.on of a pilot scale resear ch facility to be established at the laboratory.

This fa c i.l it y IAii.ll carry on IAJi. t h the nc:~CE:'ssary resE!arch to perfect the science required to provide consistent quantities of juveniles to scallop groWE!r 's "in our Province. In addition, my department will be providing technical assistance and equipment to she 11 fish farmers throughout the Province to assist in evaluating the grow-out results from these laboratory reared juveniles. At this point, Mr. SpeakE!r, I want to acknowledge a number of deter·rninE!d indi.viduals who have IAJor·kE!d closely IAI.i.th my dE!partment to grow scallops without the benefits of hatchery suppli.ed spat.

These individuals have invested considerable time and effort in defining the grow-out r c:~ cpri. r €~ m c:! n t: s o f fa r m :i. n g s c a ll o p s and evaluating new growth technology, thus address.i.ng the second major impediment towards cornmerciaJ. feas:i.b:i.lily. Mr . Speaker, i.n light of these developmenls, I am pleased to announce that my department, together with Memorial University's development group, Seabright Corporation, is now embarking on a multi-year study utilizing the results of recent L34-39 June 22, 1988 Vol XL scientific knowledge, techniques and new grow--out tE!Chnology.

In 198 8, ass t stance will be provided to existing scallop farmers t.o grow out significant quantities of hatchery rE!ared j UVE!nile spat for culture, us tng th-.i.s systE!Irt. The growth, mortality, and effecl::i.ueness of these systems will be evaluated to assess the P.conolfl-i.c; pol·:enl:"i.aJ. of t.:lri.s for·rn of aquaculturE!. At this time, Mr. SpeakE!r, I tAJould l.i . !< e to co mm E~ n d t: he per s ever· en c e of Memorial University, the RE!search Laboratory, and particularly Dr.

Patrick Dabinett i3.nd hls col.1eagut~s. in achieving this significant br·eakthrough, wh-.i.ch has not happened anywhere else in the world. I am confident that all members of this House will support me in congratulating the researchers on this accomplishment and look forward to t.he addittonal posi.t.ive results of the five year research activity now being embarked upon. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. W. CARTER : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: ThE~ hon. 1:: h€:! member for Twillingate. MR. W. CARTER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

T thank the lflin:lst.er· for providing me with a copy of his statement pri.or to the llouse opt~ni .ng. The efforts, I suppose, are commendable, :in that the mird.ster is obviously attempting to explore new technology and new ways and means of being better abJ.e to produce scallops. But 1 IAJould caution him not to be too No. 61 R3439

optimistic, in that I am told that in certai .n parts of the Prov .i.nu>. where scallops are being h<.u'vest:ed, m<.'lrket s are unavd.i .l.able. MR. RJDFOUT: (Inaudible) scallops, the Atlantic scallops are not. MR. W. CARTER: I see . I k n OlJ..J that in this case , Mr. Speaker, markets are not available. And even where they are available, the price is such that it is almost unE:'conomical to pursue the harvest.

When we hear the minister talk about the great inib.atives being taken by his department to encour·a~1e aquaculture, it is difficult to take the mi.ntstE!r' too seriously, considering what has been happen ing with re spect to the Bay d 1 Espoir Salmon Producers Co-o p . My c o l J. r::~ a g tH:~ f o r· B 1 J r g E! o Bay d 1 Espoir (Mr . Gilbert) has brought thts to l.:he tnin.i .s I.:C'!r' 1 s attention and to the atteni:ion of l:he Housco' on nurn~~ro11 S occa~d.ons.

Granted I g:ive the minister credit in that they did assist tn l:he hatchery in that area, but it appears that once that phase of the operation was over and done with, _ t:h E!:ir 'interest i.n the actual. production of salmon, the phase that would be labour intensive, was lost, the result being, of course, that progress in that. particular field. in an area where employment is at a premium, unemployment is rampant has been hinder·ed; it appears that the minister 1 s department has not being too forthcoming when it comes to providing the necessary financing t.o help rnake that co--op a successful operation .

And I while r conurwnd the mj .rJ'i.s l:E: ~r for his initiative in this respect, T condemn h·i.m and hi.s L3440 June 22, 1988 Vol XL colleagues for ignoring the pJ.eas of rny col.l.eague For Burgee - Bay d 1 Espoir to do something moarl'i.ngful to ass 'i.s t t.hE! ~ialrnon Producers Co-op in Bay d 1 Espoir. I l: ciOE!S have grea l: potent.ial. We all know that aquaculture is probi:J.bl.y th<-:! thing of the futurE:~.

Just as we s E!e Sprung bEdng alleged by the Premier as being the new technoJ.ogy in the producton of cucumbers, aquacuJ.t.ure, no doubt, wilJ. be the new technology in producing products from the sea. I would only hope, Mr . Speaker, that the minister and his coJ.leagues wouJ.d take the aquacult-.lH'E! industr'y as ser'iously, especiaJ.ly the Bay d 1 Espoir aquacultur·e i.ndust.:r·y, as they have taken the growing of cucumbers in Moun 1: Pearl..

They refuse assistance to this very worthwhile pr·oj ec l: i.n Bay d 1 Espo J.r, gr'OIAring a product that will be in abundanCE! and For whi.ch there ts a ready market, yet they are prE!pared l:o spend anywhere from $15 million to $20 million producing cucumbers in Mounl ~: Per'lr1 for· IJJh "i.ch thC:'r'e -.is no market. And even where therE! arE! mrH'kets, the pr•-.i.ce is SO lOW that they are selling them probably at a dollar-something below the actuaJ. cost. Now these are facts, Mr. Speaker .

I IJJould suggest that the m'in'ist:E!r pay close attention t.o these facts. and the next timC:~ the Bay d 1 Espoir Salmon Producers - MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! fhe han. rnember 1 s time has elapsed . MR. W. CARTER: r'C:'qtH~ s 1: f11 nd s, T would expect . the minister to accord them the sr.un(~ treatment t:hey arP. accc:tr·d --I.ng No. 61 R3440

the Sprung people in Mount Pearl . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. LONG: Mr . Speaker . MR . SPEAKER : ThE:~ hon . ·the member· for St. John's East. MR. LONG : Mr. Speaker·, we l.~JE~lcorne the s +:. a t E'' m c,~ n t··. b y 1-.: h ('! m ~i. n J. s t C'! r· :L n a s m 'J c h as it is a fairly exciting dc, ~vel.opm~ =!nt in thP. ('!Ffort~ ; oF al.J. concE:'l"nE~d in this Pl"OvinCE· to develop new technolog ies and to expand and develop research into the devel.oplTH'•nt and producti.on of all species in the industry.

We would have some concerns, though, whE=!n t:hE:~ min~ish!r' says that he will be committing $100,000 to the Marine Sciences Research Lab . We certainly wjsh the folks there all good wishes in developing their· work further, but there is t~hE~ quc:?.st.ion oF the commitment that the government is making to further r'C'!Search the developmt::'nt of this technology, and not a whole lot being said about what happens to the small producers who are out there currently trying to develop the 'indust.:r-y on the-i.r OIAJn i:c,~rms.

ThE! minister· says that there 1.1.Jill be sornr-~ support g.i1Je:~n l:o thern, but : tn UtE:' long run there is a rE!al qtH!St i.on Rbout . l:hr:~ modr~ oF development that will come to make iW i.ndustr·y of this k:i.nd of pl"oduction. We, as does the member who just spoke, have some real concerns about the model the government seemed to take in the Bay d'Espoir example, in which the government was only really interested in L.3 441 June 22, 1988 Vol XL assisting a corporation in the efforts of developing aquaculture in this Province.

In this case there• 1.1.1as a community intE!rE!St, a small pr·oducc,~rs group, v.Jho IJ.Janted to get support from the government in the -Lr efforts l.o control thEdr own production and the pace of development of the industry with a lot of E!nE!rgy and enthusiasm, and f:J over n rn n n 1·.: tJ.Jt.'l s a b 1 E'' to cl o nothing for them . So we tJ.Jould say. Mr. SpE:~aker·, that i. F g o lJ e r· n m c~ n t :i. ~; n o t a b 1 E! t o g i u e a stated commitment to small prodttcer ·s and t.o co---op for·ms of deveJ.oprnent, it will really be q 11 i t.:c~ p o "i. n U.

E! s ~; f o r g o v E~ r n me n t t o put public monies into research and development wh"i.ch down the road are onJy going to be designed to assist large scale, private jndustry and do nothing in the way of community development for small s c a 1 e prod u c e r s and communi U . e s themselves . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MR. POWER: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Agr·icuJ.tur 'al Development. Minister of Rural, and Northern MR. POWER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker . Today T IAJOIIl d 1t!<E=! Lo pr ·otJ ide hon. members with an update on the sp0 cial drought as!;:i.sl-.ance progr ·am announcE:'d earlier this YE:'ar.

This $750,000 interest free Joan program was introduced in an eFFort to assist farmers in the Province who experienced crop losses due to unusualJ.y dry weather conditions in 1987. Mr . Speaker, to datE· the Development Loan Board No. 61 Far·m has R3441

approved thirty -five applications totall.ing $631,433. This leaves a bctJ.RnCC:! of $118,567. Most oF the r'E!quests for assistance have come from i".he Cc~!n 1-:.rRl. and WE!S tern RY'(~a~; of th~~ Province. All applications rece1ued to dR~e have been processed. Mr. Speakr::~r. agriculture in Newfoundland is still 1n the deveJ.opmE!rJtal stages tAdth a great deal of potcHJt:ial for further development.

This government is committed to assisting the industry wherever possible as is ev-idenced by t.his special $'750,000 drought assistance program, along with the $3 milJ.ion allocation to the Farm DeveJ.opment Loan Board in this year's budget . In addition, Mr. SpE:'akE!Y', IAJe have,~ in place a $4- .8 rnJllJ.on livestock f E! E! d i. n i t. .i. a t ·t~H~ p r o g r· a m a n d o u r recently signed $8 million agriculture agreement.

I n t.: h c,1 rn o n 1-: 1·1 ~' a ~w cH-J IAH~ :i. n i-. ~1 n d t o work c]oseJ.y with the Provincial F (~ d cH' c." L"i . o n of A g r t c ulllH' r~ :i n R n e f f o r· t 'I"· o e n s u r e t h a t. o u r fa r me r s are given every possj_ble opportunity to capitalize on the develop1n~~nt.aJ. po1··.E:1ntial. tMhi.ch E:'Xists in the agriculture sector. Thcl.nk you. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. LUSH : Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the ITIE:1mbE!r for Bonavista North. MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, the minister has actually addressed three initiatives here today, the loan program for drought assistance, 1..

Jl~4/. June 22, 1.988 Vol XI . lho $800 agreement, livestock agreement million and the feed which was SOifl~~ l ... ·i.me f.H:JO. agr· ·i.cLJll:ur(:' $4-.8 million :i.n.i.tiative entered into Mr. Spei'tkC:'i'', J drn rc:!mi.ndE!d of the statement made by Dr. Johnson whE:'n h c~ tJ.Ji'l s

I) t et,l,)i n g t h (;! dog IJ.J~ 1 king on its hind J.E!gs. HE! said, 'It is nol so much that it was done alAJklAJardly, but that j t was done at all.' Mr. Spc.:.aker, that . is my response to these three ini!-:.idt:i.ues taken by thE:' minister today. First of all, with rE!Spect to thE! loan program, we should remember that it is just a loan program. I t: is in tc.:. r· e s 1 f r· e e , but. it tAla s too latE! in coming.

The farmers went through a lot of frustration, so much so that they would have h~ken i:'lnythi.ng, becduse t.his Loi~n Program was already on top of the ex ist-i.ng debts and l.oc.u1s they already had to encounter. Mr'. Speaker, it is not such a gr'e:>i'lt. C:!ffori:, clncl, p<:-lr l:""i.CIIlarly, it came very, very late. With r· e ~; fH:! d: to t h C:' $8 rni 11 ion agriculture agreement, again this i.s too loi.t.t.l.e too latE:~.

If the minister says that he is committed to developing the agricultural potential of this Province, he has certa:i.nJ.y ned~ dc,~monstratc,~d that. to the farmers of this Province by signing this $8 million agreement. Mr. Speaker, thjs 1neager, paltry, measly amount. of $8 million wjlJ. not go anywhere in terms of rnoeting the potential and the development assistance needs of this Province. minister had of commitment Mr. Speaker, if the shown the same kind to the agriculture this Province, to agriculture industry No . 6 J industry of our as own this R 3 11.4-2

government has done to Sprung, I can assure you that the agricultural needs of this Province would be met in a far better way than they are going to be met. as a result. of these initiatives taken here today. SOME H9N. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKER : The hon . the mEnnber for St. John • s Ea s l:. MR. LONG: lhank you, Mr. Speaker . A vc~~ry br·-ic,!F ~;l··.i:~tc~rnenl: by l:hf~ minister today in tAJhich, in a 1-:hr'OIAJ--a.IAJay ~>r~ntonce r.\1~ the (!rlcl, he ,~ refers to the recently announced $8 . mi.l1i.on agr ·icultlli"f'! agrec~~mc=!nl: signed yesterday.

It is unfortunatE:' t:he\t rni.n:i.sb=!rS do not take as much pride and a more forthright approach in bringing news into the people's Assembly as they do in bringing it to the press and to the mE!dia, so that we couJ.d have some opportunity· i:o debate IAJhat is in these very important agreements.

I would suggest to the Minister of AgriculturE! that he is unablE! to generate any kind of confidence in the agriculture industry in this Pr·ovince, bE:'caust~ it is cl.E:~ar, in the agreement that . was signed y~~ster·de~.y, that ne ·lUH:~r this government nor the federal goVE!rnmE:~nt ts · really very interested in expanding and promoting the work that is being car·r·ied out tAJ·i th great difficulty by many of" l·:ht:! smr.lll agr·Jcultur·e producers in this Province.

Tht' Agr·i .cul.tur·aJ commurdly -~.~; small, but thE!re is tremendous room for growth in the agricultural sector in this L34-43 June 22, 1988 Vol XL Provj nee. TherE! are a number of areas where assi.st.ance is needE!d, and new injtjatives, creative ideas that people have out there are in desperate need of financial support fr ·om goUE!r'nment.

There was nothing in the way of the announcement of that $8 million yesterday that gave a commitment by this government to take new and creative measures in the a g r' t c u 1. 1: u r' c'll communi L y , and t he statement by the minister today is sctdly IAk'\nt-Lng in t.hi:'d ~ r·egar·d, Mr. Speaker. Oral Questions MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Leader of the Opposition. MR. WELLS: Mr. Speaker, the · hon.

Premier a coupJ.e of days ago tablE•d what he said was a legal opinion indicatjng that NewfoundJand did not have any constitutional rights with respect to the railway or transportation matters. Now, Mr·. SpeakE!r, lAJhat was tabled j s a docurnE!nt entitled A Synopsis of Legal Ramifications oF Proposed Agreement with the Federal Government Regarding Possible Closure of the Newfoundland Railway. It IAJt:=t~; said Lo haue been submitted i:o the Railway Cormn-i .t:h~e, and i.t IAJ.':I ~~ prf>.pared by John C.

McCarthy and Ann Marie Roc; c. , p r C:' s u ma b 1 y of UH=! p r· o u ·i. n cia 1 Department of Justice. ~:)o J ask Jus·tice HOUSE:~ of rE!ferred No. 61 IAJO ul. d Hw (Ms Verge) IAJhH t Rai1wt:=ty to ther·e? Ministor of advise the Committee is Is this the R3443

Railway Committee in Ottawa, or is it a Commi.t:t.ee of the Newfottndland Cabinet that was the Railway Cornrni.t:h~~'!? Who i.s t:h(~ Ra il tAJ<~Y Committee that is referred to here? MR. SP F.AKFR : ··I he . hon. thE:~ Mini st er of Just:i.ce . MS VFR GF: M r· . S p ~~a k e r· , I w o u 1 d h a v e to d e f e r· to on e o f my coll eagues for an explanation about the composition of that cornmi.ttE '!e. But thEH 'C:~ ·i.s no doubt about the fact tha·l:: the J.awyE!r's tAJi.th thE!

DE~partment of Ju stice have advised the gover·nmE!nt ., and thE~ gover·nmc~ni : accepts their opinjons, to the E!ffect that the Ter·ms of Urd.on betL\JeE~n Newfoundland and Canada do not impose any ongo ·ing obligation on the Government of Canada to operate the NewfoundJ.and Rai.lway. MR. WELLS : A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKFR : A supplernE!nt.ary, the hon . the l_(~dd~~r· of thE! Opposition . MR. WFU .S: Would the minJster table those opinions? Thi. :; ts sai.d to bl:! a synop sis of legal ramification s. Would the minister table th e opinions?

Would the minister indicate which other mi.ni.ster could indicate who this Railway Committee is? MR . SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Justice . MS VERGE: -----Mr. Spe:~akE!r, opinions have:~ alrc:\ady been tabled . I would think the Minister of Transportation (Mr . Doyle), if not the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs (Mr . Dawe), who is not in his seat right noLIJ, uJould probably be able L.3 4.44 June 22, 1988 Vol Xl to inform cornposj ,i:ton Cornrnt t teE! . MR. BARRY : ~'lr· . ~)fH ~a k <:!r . MR . SPEAKER : the oF House• t. h (:\ of thE !

Rai ltAJay nw hon. thE: ~ member for Mount Scio · Rel.l Ts land . MR. DOYLE : Mr·. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: Would the hon. member defer to the hon. the Minister of Transportation? MR. BARRY : Yes. MR. SPEAKER: The hon . the Minister of Transportation. MR. DOYLE: Just to clarify some of the po int s referred to the Minister of Justice, this Railway CommitteE! being referred to h ere wa s an Interdepartmental Railway Cornm:.i.i .. _tne of off 'i.c··i.al s IAJ:i. thi.n the pr ovin cia l De partment of T r ansport~tion, from the fede ral governme nt as well, and also from 1ni:er goul -:!rnHJE!nta1 Affairs.

Legal op inio ns were su bm itte d. Le gal opinions were asked for by the pro vinci al govern ment on whet her or not Newfoundland ha d an y protection under the Constitution lAd t h r· (:~ s p e c t:. to t h e o n go i n g operation of the Newfoundland Rr-.:d.J.tA.Jay. Mr·. McCar·thy and Miss RosE: 1 in the Department of Justice put together J.egal opinions and they were given to the Railway Cornmi ttee, c:ind othE!r' opinions WE!re sought as well, Mr. Speaker, which indicated thdt Term 31 of the Terms of Union provided in 1949, at the date of Union, tbat t.here No. 61 R 3 44.4

would be:~ a takeover of Newfoundland Railway, but t. h e r· E:~ 1.1.1a s no o b 1 i g a t i o n u p o n federal government to operate railway in Newfoundland perpetuity. t. hE~ that t.hE! the in So that commjttee was from Int.<~rgovE:~rnment.al Affairs, federal representatives, as well, looking after the federal government's inter·ests, and also the pr·ovincial Department of Transportation. MR. WEI..L.S: A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. ~)PEAKER: A final. supplE~rnentary, the hon. thE:' LE~ader· of Uw Oppos U::i.on. MR. WFU ..

S: Mr. ~lpE:~aker·, would thr::~ minister UHHI tell. t:hc,, HOIJSl~ 1A1hy t:h:is government would produce to the feder'<'ll siclt! author·ii-ies i:hr.1t argued against Newfoundland's posit-.:i.on tn Fc:!br·uar·y of l9B8, eVE'!n before they negotiated this r·c:d.liAJay r:J.gr'E'!eiTHHJ·t? Why t.1.1ould they admit U·wy had no position tAJhatsOE!VCo'r? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Transportation. MR. DOYLE: Mr·. Speaker, i.t tAJas not a mattE•r of arguing against Newfoundland's position. I mean, the reality was therE>. .

I n Term 3 l cil. n d -in T EH' m 3 2 of the Terms of Union it was clearly stated that. the Federal government had absolutely no obligation l.o opco~r·ai·:E:~ l::hc,~ r·ct.iliAJ<'IY in NetJJfoundland.

It l.I.Jas provide:~d fol" tn Ter·m 31. l·:hdl:: at. !·he dai:c~ of union tJJ'.i.th Canada thclt ceJ"t:ain s r~ i" tJ 'i. c n s , i n c 1 1.1 d "L n g t: h r-~ Ne1.1.1i ou nd1 and Rai Jway and the steamship lighthouses seruices and the and the Newfound1and 1_31~45 Jurw 22, 198B Vol XL Hotel and the Newfound1and Broad casting Corpor·a t ion, and what. hdv e you, t.AJould bE=! t.a k C"! n ov C.;!r' by the federal government at the date of uni.on. It was not statE>.d in the Terms of Union that they had any obligation to operate that forever.

That provision states that Ottctwa does not have any obligation to maintain those S(:~rvi.c~:!S. So, Mr·. SpE~abH', it is a r·ed herring that the han. gent1eman j_ s bring .. i.ng IJP ~WI"(~ t.oday, and he knows he is badly losing on it. MR. BARRY: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPFAKFR: ·rl·w hon. i-h(~ mc,-rnber· for Moun1~. Scio --Bell Island. MR. BARRY: Mr. Speaker, it '.i.s interesting that there is no rE•ferE!nce to thE! ~)1:·-l.c\Ur'E!nt lett.E=!r. r t.h"i.nk IJJC"! all know that you can get different opinions depending upon the question that you put:..

MaybE! the minister or the Minister of Justice or the Premjer, at some poi.nt, can indicate just IJJhat. is the question that was put to the l.awyer·s of JusticE:' :in so1i.d.t.ing that opinion. Was, for example, the St.--·Lr.wrc~!nt let:tE:H' and the effect of that Jetter refE!rTed to the De:'partment:. of Justtu:! for· an opinion?

I tJJould like to ask the M:inistE!r o r J u s l i c c,~ : I n l. .i. 9 h t of t: hE:~ fa c l:: that her department has been i n \J o 1 \J (~ d i n l'. h e fll" e p d r· a t t o n o f t h E:~ agreement to close the 1\J t~IAJ r 0 II ncll.rHI d f~ r\'i.J.tAJi'l y , 'l.i.JO U 1 d S h 8 i:el J. th:is House whE!ther, j n hr::'r op:i.ni.on, Cl<'IUS!,~ B of the Memorandum of Understanding p r· o tJ i d (~ s d n y r· ~~ i'l J. as s u r· i:l n c (~ .. _ t. h :-i. s is the so-called reopener clause - No. 61 R3445

that this Province will see any further financi~l assistance from the Government of Canada? MR . SPfAKfR : The h on . 1.: h r~ Minis t ~~ r of J 11 s i: -L c P . MS VFRGF.: Mr. Spr:'t'lb~r, assUI"E:' a11 hon . I can mE:~rnber s r.: e:.~ t' 1: ,;~ i n l y that th:is agr'e(~lnont ts i.n Lh1~ bPsl·. -·i.ntf:!r'r;!st.s of the peoplE! of our· Pr·ovince, and givE:~s pf~oplE:' in 1-:hE! F1tl·· .1.1r'e .:~ k·.ind of protect ion that 1.o.1as not bui 1 t int :o l:hr-'! dastar -dly UppE:!r' Chur·ch:-i.JJ contract that a previous government entered into back in i~he 1960s.

This agrE•ernE:~nt a] lows for a review in seven or eight year 's time to evaluate the statE! of the transportation system of our Province relative to the Maritime provinces, and if deficiencies are identified at that time, then to remedy the situation so that the standard of tr·anspor·tation Jn NetJJfOIJndland and labrador will be brought up to the level then prevail ing in the Maritime provinces. MR. BARRY: A supplt~ITlf'!ntar·y. Mr' . Sp<:~akr~r- . M R . !W F A K F R : A suppJ ernentary, the hon . the rnr-~rnbr~l" fot· Mo11nt Sci.o --- Bt-:<1.1 J~;Jand. MR.

BARRY: Is Hw rn'i.nister farni1i.ctr 1,~.Jilh Tr:!nn 29 of the Terms of Union of Neu..Jfoundland? Ts thE:~ minis ~:EH' awar'<->. that in that Term 29 it was specifically provided that the commission that would be appointed to r·eopE!n or' r·eview the T<->.r·ms of Union would recommend the form and scale of additional financial ass-istance? TherE! is no such reference to any such recommendation for additional financial assistance in Clause 8 L3 4-46 June 22, 1988 Vol XL of the Memorandum of U n d f'! r s 1: and ·i_ n g .

I 1~.1 o n d E! r· i. f t hE! ministE!r could gjve us an opinjon as to whether Clause 8 i.s as strong as Term 29? WE: ~ know what h a p p c,, n e d i~ s a r· w; 111. i·_ o f T E:H' m 2 9 . MR. SPFAKFR: The hon. the Minister of Justice . MS VF.:RGf:: : Mr. Speaker·, again I r·eiterate t. h i:l 1·: I-_ h ·.i s ;:" g r· n <-)me n I: p r· o v i d (C• s q u j_ i~. e adequately for the future l·:r·anspor'i.:di:i .on nE:~eds of our' Province. In the circumstanCE'S it 1.1Ja s 1·: h r~ bE: ~ s t d ~~a 1 t h R t our Province could get. It recognizes the inevitability of the failure of the railway.

This administration made every effort to persuade the GovernmE:~nt of Canada and CN to r·ehabi l ita te the railtJJay. I thj nk the member was a member oF thi.s adrn:i.ntst .ration back in 1979 and 1980 when we put every effort into getting the kind of capital upgrading to our railway so l:lv--1t -.i.l~ could tHo! rnarkE!tE·d success f u 11 y . We were s u c c e s sf u l i.n pr-~rslli'ldi .ng t:he fE!deral government and CN to make some chf'lng(.:>S a-1: 1-:hal--_ t.·:i.rne.

The Containerization Program was br'o11ghl: ·i.n, i:'lnd for ' d short . t"i.rne i t appeared t h a t t h a t u..Ja s h a v i n g S IICC(~S~;flll t'C:!SIIli:s, b1~t unfortunately it failed. Now, we hr.~d i-:o f, :~ c e fa c 1: s and I1H~ pr·o c <:~ed N:l t.o negotiatE! u..dth the fE•deral g o tJ P r' n m cc! n 1- a IJ e r y g <:~ n e r o IJ s p a c k a g e assuring substantial improvements to road transportation and water transportation in every part of Nf~IJJfoundl.cHld t:U1d Labr·ador'.

The agreement provides for a reopenE!r ·i.n a ft~w year·s t--i.mr-'! so that _ at that point a comparison can be made between th"i.s Province and the Maritimes and, if neCE!SSary then, to drrange further funding from the federal government. No. 61 R 3 4-46

A point th~t keeps getting lost in thE:~ debatE:~ js that t.he package of funding negotiated is incremental to, is on top of ongoing regular· fE:!dE!Y'Rl fundi .ng t:hr·o1.19h tr·ansf<'!r' payments and EPF and ERDA agrE~ern<'!nts. So over· Hw next fifteen years we are looking at clos<.;! to $2 bilLion 1..vorth of road improvements in our Province. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear·, hE~iH'! MR. BARRY: Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKF.R: A final supplementary . MR .

BARRY: J ask the minister whether in obl:.:·l:i .ning J.f>.gaJ. opinion~> fr·om mernbei"S of hE•I" dE:~partment she asked the1n l-o rli .r·c~cl : i:hp ·i.r · op:in .i.on to the ques-t-:ion that. they 1..vere d. s I< e r:l . r: f s 0 I f IJ.)O til d J. j k Cc~ l:. 0 d s k -! h<:' minister· 1.r.1heUrer· shE! would direct her response to ~he qUE!St:ion askE~d. t..vh:ich is, :i.s Cli:'lr.JsE:~ 8 of 1-:hf'! ME~tncH·andum of U nd E:'r·~; ta nd:i ng w:i . t.h r·e s pE! ct to thE! c los u r<~! of ·Hw Ne:~wf ou nd land Railu1ay as strong as, not as s tr ·ong as, or the same as Ter·m 29 of the Terms of Union? MR.

SIMMS: -----A point of order, Mr . Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! A point of order, the hon . the Presi .dE:~nt. of the Cor1nci.l.. MR. ~lTMMS : I uJant to a i~ l~. e n t ·i. o n bt"ing · T do to not Honou1·· has OUE!r]ook<"H~ B~!r.lllchesne, P<'lragr'i.-lph MR. STMMOI\JS : Your Honour·'s k n OIAI i. r Yo II r· tt -·- that jn 3 ... 1...3447 JunE! 7.2, 1988 Vol XL She: ! nHed s 1-.:o b1·:! brl i.J. E!cl 011 t. Go ahead. MR. SIMMS : T ,,.,;:~ ~; no l.: l: hi . n k i. n g of t: hat: . thinking of bailing out the UH~ HleHibPr' for• MOIHlt Scio . I 1..1.1as hon. MR.

SIMMS: Par·agraph 360. pagE! 13 3, cJ E!arJ y says, a question which asks or seeks "a soJut.ion of a Jegal question, such as the

interpretation of a statute", a n y t. h ·-L n g •'11 o n g t h o s e l i. n e s • j s of order. MR. Br:\RRY : Do not be so stlly . MR . :nMMS : or out Do not be so silly? Beauchesne is i.he one l·.:hal-: i.~; silly. Tf you want to tell. the Speaker rlnc:\llt:he~;nr:~ is silly, that is ftne, you can say so. But:. the fact of U·w rnati:er· "i.s it i ~> d qtH:!s toion that is out of ordE~r. Either we f o ll. 01~1 ti'H '! r· u l f'! s , M r· . :::; p E:' a b:! r' , or· we do not follow the rules. DR. COLLINS: Th<:'Y do not lHJdf'!r'st.and Uw r·ules. MR. SIMMS : It does not matter to me .

But the hon . member should be aware of them, and so should the House and so should UH.;! ptJbl·-i.c. MR. BARRY: To the point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: To the point of order, the hon . BE~J.l the member for Mount Sdo TsJ.;:~nd. MR . BARRY : If I were looking for a legal op"i.nion 1-:her'c:~ I~IOlllc:l b:'' othf:or's I would go to on this point . I arn r:-1 s k i n g ·I: h (~ rn ·i n i. s t: t:! r· for her· No. 61 R344 ·7

opinion, as I have said, as to lAJhethE:'r as a mj nister she bE!lieVE!S t h a t C 1 a 11 s E:~ 8 of i~. h a t Me m o r· a n d wn is more in Newfoundland's favour than Term 29, less in Newfoundland's favour, or is it the samE:~? MR. SIMMS: He did not spE!ak to thee! point: of or·d(c'r, Mr·. SpeC\ker, ht-:• ITIC:H't!ly r·ep•'~a'l':E!d h.i s qUE!stj on. He ignorE:~d ·t. o 1 ... <'l J l. y I: h c:' J" c~! f (~ r ~~ n c 1-) -L n Beauchesne. That is a question ~: h r:\ I·_ i s o 1 11: o f o r· d e r· .

Y o u r· HonotH', I arn sur·e, has nolAJ had a C hiHI C C:' l·.o J. 00 k F\ i-. i.l:. cHid IJ.J'i .J.l. b~:! prepared to rule on it. Ml~. SPEAKFR: To that po-i.nt of order, 'i.t do(:!S not appear to the Chair that it is a l.egal. opinion. As far· as I CiHl understand, the hon. member is a s k i n g f o r· a c om p iH' i s o n of o n e particular thing agajnst the other. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKEr~: The hon. the Minister of Justice. SOME liON. ~'1EMB F I~S : 0 h 1 () h ! ~------·-- - - MR . flARRY : I s . Uw m·i n i. ~; t. e r· 9 o :i. n g -1: o t-h~, question?

MS \JFRC;F: I t i s o u t· of or· d e r . T h E:1 s cd . d 'i. i: i s 01 1 t of o r d E:~ r . MR. RARf~Y : The ~)peaker· d:id not say j t of or·dr :!r. Thf:~ rn:i.n'i.stE:H', T is confused again. MR . SPEAKER: <:\ n ~; IAJ I::! r· Speaker· is out l·.:h"i.nk, ThE! hon. rnember as ked a question and thE! hon. rn-i.nist.E!r does not have to rE!ply. 1..34-4-8 June /.:?., 1.988 Vol XI.. MR. BARRY: She does not have to, but jt is jn or·cler. On a point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A point of order. MR.

RARRY: f'h1~ rn.i.nisi·er· has Sl::dl :~:!d ShE• not lAJant l:o r·e s pond becausE! i h · i. n k ~; Y o 1 1 r· I· I o n o 11 r· h f.'t s s •'d d question is out of order. doE~ s she the I wonder if Your Honour would c 1 R r i r y i: h '" L Yo 11 r· H on o IJ r· has r·u 1 ~~ d that the question is in order. T h e 1 n J. n i. s , .. _ f~ r c i:\ n l-. h e n a n s IAJ E! r· o r not answer, as shE! SE:~es fit. !he m:in-Lsb:!r' i.s now op~~r·~t:.ing under an error of fact. MR. SIMMS: Mr. Speaker, to the point of order. MR. SPEAKER: To the point of order, the hon. the President of the Council. MR.

STMMS: There is simply no point of order . Your out HOtlOIIJ" that qtJi .-1-:c:~ the r·:ighi ·.l y po-i.n+ed parliamentary references sAy ministers may answer questions, may not answer q II C:' s t. i. () n ~; I t:-1. n d r: h ~' y ( I 0 n 0 t h d v l'' l-. 0 say why or· why not.. So the hon. Jnemi:H:H' :i. s ~;J rnp l y tr· y i. ng to play a b ·i. L () f p () l i t i. r. s lA I i 1". h ; t . Why doe~; he nol ·: ~;it dOIAJn and g·i.vE• somebody who can ask a sensible qllf~~;t-.:i.on, R cp1est"i.on lAJhich fcll.ls withjn the rules and guidelines, C:\ n o p p o r 1~. u n i. t y t·. o a s k o n E:~ . MR.

RARRY: Thank you for your advice. MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! No. 61 R 3 4-4-8

There is no point of order. Thee' hon. Uw M.i.ni stp,r· of Jw; t·i U'! . MS VFRc:=:: Thr.lnk you, Mr· . Speaker . M r· . S p e a k<e' r· , T q u ·i. t: E:~ a g r· ~~ r-~ IAJi. ~: h thE:~ points made by the GoVE!rnrnE,nt l-lc)IJSt:~ LE:~adceH'. Befor'E~ he sl ·:ood, T was quite prE!pared to get up and anstAIE•r the qiH e~st.'i.on fr·orn t.hc.:. member· opposite. Obviously, it is seeking a legal opinion. What T lAiani-. l:o say -Ln r't.;!sponst:~ ·i.s the Opposition are missing the boat e n t ·i. r e 1. y .

T h c.:. 0 p p o s i t t em iH' E! splitting legal hairs when what is r·E~lE~vant: to Uw fiJ't:IH'E~ of t:hc;! people of our Province is how best can and sho11ld thc ,,·ir tr·anspor·tation needs be met. That h d s b E:! r,' n p r o lJ ·i d r:! d f o r' "i. n 1-: h 'i. ~; a~~rE:~E,men ·l ~>OM f. HOJ\J . MU'IB [ I~S : Hear·, hE:'at"! MR. L. U:>H : Mr· . SpecAb~J" . MR. SPF()KER : ---Thee' hon . t ~w mE:~rnbel" for Ronavista Nort.h. MR. LUSH : Mr·. Speaker, my question is to the Mtnisl:c.;!r' of Rur·al, Agrtcul.tur·,~J. and Northern Development (Mr. P 01.1.1C;! r) . Mr.

Speakc.:.r, the mi.nister· kno1.1.1S that he came into this House today to make a statemE~nt annoiHJc:ing three initiatives to try and deflect the discontent, the dissatisfaction, and the utter dE~ vast a 1:. i on de rno n s t: r· d t E! d by ~.:hE~ agricultural industry of this P I" o tJ .. i. n c o ··i n r· e a c 1·: :i. o n ·I: o •'1 n d ·i. n I"E~sponsE:' i o thE~ agr'E:~errH:1nt just y t'! s b~ r cl <·\ y o"HHW 11 ncr '! d , M r' . ~') p e o:-1 k P r . L 3 fl./19 JUnE:' 2/, 1988 Vol XL I rE:1fer to the Canada N t·~l•lf ou nell and () g r·i . -food A 9 r~H~'me n t . MR. SPFAKFR: Or·dc'lr', pJ f~as C'!!

The hon. member is making a speech . MR. LUSH: Mr. Spe~ker, l refer to the $8 million five-year Canada Netl.)fol.lndl.and Agr:L .. food Devc->.loprnent AgreemE!nt. NoiJ..I, is the rrri.nister atAii'.lre that his ot.~.m coJ.J.c~'ague, our federal Cabjnet Minister (Mr. Crosbie), today acknowledgGd the fact that he thought this was too l.it.U .e? N 01.1.1, i. f t ~H~ mi. rl'i. s b~ r· bE! l. i.E! v t'! s t. hat. jt. is too J.i.ttlE•, will hE:~ not gE·t f: 0 9 E' 1-· h <'!r' IAri t: h h i.

S f E! d t' r· i~ 1. counterpar·t and r'EHlE!gotiat.e a nE!IAI <'1 g r· r~ <:110!:' n t For· i.: ~w f i.H'mE! r· s of t hi. s PJ"ov'ince? 30Mr: HOI\! . MF.MAERS : Hear, hear! MR. SPFAKF:R : The han. the A 9 r· j, C I I J i: I I r' <'11 Devt:~loprnent . MR. POWER: Minister of RuraJ, dnd Northern Mr. Speaker, I am quite aiJ.Jare of the corrunc.:.nts 1nade by o1 .1r fE!der·<~1 counterpart. I am quitE! awarE· of the approach of this government to agriculture in the Province. As I said in the statement, we had sorne farmers this year in trouble because of the drought probJ.em.

We have made avaiJable to those fanners $'750,000 i.n .i.nhH'E!Si:. fr·E:~e loans. We have a $4.8 million agreement with the federaJ. government for a livestock feed tn i. i·i<:lti _tJt,~. We hatJP dn $8 tn·i.l.l ton agreement to obviously assist f r:-1 r· rn t·'! r· ~; I: o 'i.rn p r· o IJ e I~ h (~ t r· fa r· rn s they now haVE:1 and to expand thetr 0 p (,1 t' r'l +: ·j 0 11 ~; i:1 n d '1-{) 9 ('' '\-·. p f.! r s 0 n s -j n 1-0 No. 61 R34-4-9

the farming business . We are also I~Jork: i ng u.d.t.h our Minister of Intergovernmental Affa -i. r· s (Mr . DaiAJE:~) iHld Uw f E!dE! r·al Minister responsible for N~~IAift)IHJdland, t:o ITlc:lke Sljre>. th;:~t l.o~lf:~ can access a ACOA funding as IAJell. We arcc' hopi.ng t.o bf:! i'lbl.e l·~o get that there. If that then h c:'l fl p f'! rl S , IAH~ IAri . l. J. C E! r i-. i:\ .i. n J. y h r\ V H plenty of money to access or to be db J. H 1: 0 g J V C~ ~-0 f iH' rtW t' S t 0 d 0 i ·.1·1 C:' lcind~~ of things thc~y 1.o~1ant to ·i. 111 p r· o 1; ~-~ f '-" n n i. n g ··i n Uri s P , .. o u ·i. n c t-:' . Mf~.

I.IJ~·)II : A suppl E:'mE~ntnr·y, Mr·. Speakc-~r . MR. SPFAI<FR : A suppJ.:~rrHHJt·dr·y, l.hc~ hon . Hw member for Ronavista North. MR. LUSH : Mr. Speai<E!r, is the minister not atAJare that the ag r· .. i. c1tl. tu r'<'ll industry in this Provi.nce has been uJor·king for· i::his agrE '!ernc-?.nt for four long, lean, frustrating years? Four years, Mr . Speaker!

Will the ministE!r not acknowledge t h a +: i f h e IAI C"! r· e w·i 11 -:i. n g t o h a v e committed more money to this program the federal government would have committed more money a c c o r· d oi. n g l. y a n d a c cor cl"i . n g to Hw fotnmul.a used? MR. SPEAKER : The han. H1e A g r· -i. Cltl l: 11 r· i'l l. Dli:'VE:~J oprnent . MR . POWFR : Minister of Rural, ~nd Northern Mt". Speaker·, I am quite atAiare.

Il has ctctlli:~rJ y bf>.C"!n fi.Vtc' yE~iH 'S i·:hct 1-. ule have tHc'(c!n negotiating this agr'E~E ~TrH'!n ·l: for ' i'lgr··i.c11l. tl.lr'C'! . l '"rn aJ ~;o quitE:~ pos.i tive to bE! ablE' to say, on bE!hct1f of i .. _his gotJC->.r·nrrH:'ni·, thclt if thE:~ feder·al goVE:'rnment had b c->. (~ n uri. l. l. i. n g ·1·. o p 1 j t. m o r· E:~ rrHHl t~ y :into a cost-sharE!d arrangE!ment, L34-50 June 2/., 1988 Vol XL then this government would certainly have come up with our shar'e of that fundtng. Our funding has bE!en avaiJ.able for S(:~VE'!r'c'll YE:'tH'S.

Wh:i.lcc~ t.l·wrr,~ IAidS not an agricultural agreement in this P r· o tJ 'i. n c Cc' , t. h :i. s g o v e r· rune n t. , n u t of the meager resources that we have, d-i .d do i~hn k"i.nd of t:h-i.ngs t:hi:lt. were needed in the agricultural i nd 1.1 ~d ·. r· y . lrJ:~ el-i d rn.:-1 k P s 1 tr' r=! t.I'H'l +: far·rner·s did have oppor't.:uniU.E!S

h) f~ x p .:1 n d "'n rl rno n e y , (~ l 1ni. J.l i. on , rnc.'l. d c,~ available to them through our Farm [)(~lJOlopHH~nt-. I .. O<Hl no.u·d. [ f IAH'! had been able to negotiate a larger r'l g r· 1-~ P rn en+-. , then o b tri. o 1.1 s J. y IAH~ , <.'l s a pr·ovinc:i.aJ. governmE:'nt, cer·t..ainly h i:\ rl o u r s h ,:'1 t' !·'! o ·f t h d t rn o n e y available . Mr·. SpE~dker, T just.

IAJant to rEd teratE:~ that with the three or four in i. t. i i'l t:. i. v e s that tAlE~ h a v (-'! t n agriculture in thjs Province, and 'i.f IA!e <H'E! able to access ACOA funding for farmE!rs, as in other clrE!dS of OIH' resource dE•velopment, then we will have a very good farm communi. ty f:-1 VE~ yE!ars fr ·orn notJ..J in Newfoundland . MR. LUSH: A find} st;pplernentary, Mr . Speaker . MR . SPFAKFR: A Ftnc.·\l Sl.lflplernent· . .:lr'y, t.hc'• hon . the member for Bonavista North . MR . I. USH: Mr.

Speaker, would the minister not-. o'l9t'f:'E-), ~~IOitl.d l::hc,, mini .si ~Pr' not acknowledge to the farmers of this P r o 1; i. n c t~ , l: h a t ·i. f h c,~ d n d lri. s gover·nrnE:Hlt had shotAJn the same cotnrnit-.rnent to t·hc->. agr·tcul.tiH 'al j_ndustry of this Province as they d-id t·.o the,~ Spr'1.1ng pr·oj(~ct, 1-.hat they would have gotten more for the Farmers of this Province in this agrE!ement? No. 61 R3450

SOME HON. MFMBFRS: H ~~ <:1 r , h f:! r'1 t' ! Mf~. ~::IPFAKER: Tho hon. th~~ A g I' ·i. C I I 1. {-: U r• t:'l J Dev~>.J opment MR. POWER: M:i.ni s·l::er· r.tnd of Rur·aJ, (\]

C) t' t h ("! t' 11 Mr. SpE!akc:H', no, :r arn not willing to dcknot.~.Jl.<,~dgr~ somr~ of +:hE~ misguided concepts of the member opposi.t.:~~. WE~ in ·t.h·Ls Pt"ov~ince ar·~~ trying to broaden the economic basE=!, IAJ~l"."i.ch e'UE=!r'YOI'Hc~ says IIJE:~ cH'E! supposed to do. We have found OU('!r' the y(:!<~r·s that 1.1.JhE:!n rnetnb(:!rs opposite criticize us for our unemployment. r·at:c,~, our tradoi. t.-i.onal indust.:r:ies, the fisheries, f o r· e s t r· y , a g r· ·-j c u l. 1: 1 w e d n d t o 1 1 r' i. s tn , were not able to employ all of the people in this Province.

When l.~oJe l~r:'lkr-~ et bol.rl 'i.ntt.··i.d-1-"i.ve, sornethi ng that r'E-~1 at.es to r'e'search dnd detJE~loptrlE=!nt, d ne1~1 "i.ndtis+·.r·y "i.n t.h:i.~; Pl"OV:lncE!, a]J u..Je g.:-,·t.-:is cr·J.I~ic·i~;m fJ"OII'I rnE~mbet"> oppo~;ih,~. ThE~Y do no·l tAJC.H1t us to try Spr·11ng. ThE!Y do no-1: l~oJ,:-u-11: 11~; l o tt"Y ~;orne of thE~ th:ings L~JE~ iH'E:' do""i.ng d-1: IJH'! l.liTitHH'Si.ty, IAJhi.ch ·i.s ttot~J ~;hotAJ.ing t..hc-lt. the~re u..dl1 bE:' E~C0r10HI'i.c r:'lnrJ btt~;"inr~SS br,~rwfi.t~; fr·orn ~;omE~ of the r·esear·ch and d e u e J. o p rn e n 1·. "' {·: t: h (~ 1.1 n "i. tJ (~ r· s t 1:: y .

WhNI t~IE:~ tr· y s orne thing dj ff ere nt 1·: h (,~ y c r· ·i_ 1-:. ""i. c .-i. L f~ u s . W h e n 1..1.H~ p u t. money into agriculture, like we cltd yr,~si:(·>.r·day, l::hE:~Y cri.t.i.c-i Z(~ us. WhE:'n we sign a transportation agreement for $800 m1ll.ion, they criticize us. God help the pE!Ople in NE~IJJfoundland, Mr. Spe~aker·, i.f those persons ever get over here! SOME HON. MFMRERS: Hear, hear! MR. I .. ONG: Mr. Speake!". L31.Jr-l] Jurw ?'2, 1988 VoJ XL. MR. SPF.AKFR: The hon. thr,~ l'nf~tnber for· ~'>t. John'~; Fast. MR. I ONG: ·r h c'\1'1 k y o 1.1 , M t' . S p E:~ a k f:! r . Mr·.

SpeakEH', I would likE· to put a q II("! S 1:: -j_ 0 n t C) 1:. he p Y' ~=! lfl if:! I" , ·j_ n t: he absence of the Minister for 1 n i~ (~ r' go u t=! r· n rn en t. i:11 A F f r:·1 i r· s . It :is a question conCE•r·ning the government's policy with respect to land claims, and in particular t:hE:~ prf:!S('!I'lt. pr'OCf~SS i:.hat. hdS beE!n underway for some months since the p1.tbl.'i.cdt.i.on of thE:~ goV(-?.rnrnen t' s own poljcy in December.

Wou]d the Premier give an t n d -i. c a t ·j o n a s to . 1.1.1 h e t he r t he Province is reviewjng its stated p o 1. i. c y , ~i. s suP d s otnn months ago , 'i. n light of difficulties that federal off :i. c i r:-1 l ~; h a tJ n ad tn:i t t r,~ d h a v (~ b E=• <:! n brought Lo the fore because of the P r o tJ i. n c r,' ' s n r'! g o I: ··i. a t i. n g p o s i. t ·i. o n ? MR. :>PFAKFR: Th<,~ hon. the~ Pr·emier. PRFMIFR PFCKFORD: No, Mr. Speaker. MR. l.ONG: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPFAKFR: A SllppJ.em<,~nt.a.r·y, the hon. Uw member for St. John's East. MR.

LONG: T appr·ec:i.a-1-:e Hw fr·ankness of thE! Premier's response. PREMIER PECKFORD: T am always honest. MR. LONG: Ar·E:~ tAlE~ to take that to mean that +:h(:! Pr·otJ incr,~ IAJi.ll cont··i.niH:! to p1.1t in the way of a tripartite n E:~ got i. <:·1 t J n g pro c e s ~; .i. rnrno v a b ·1. P No. 61 R34-Sl

obs t.ac 1 e s t.ha t. l..lli.l.l <:d. low Hw federal government, which has a primar·y rf:~sponsi.bi.l"i.ty in Ud.s country for negotiating land claim settlements, to move towards resolution of an outstanding claim t. ha i: has bt~ E:'rl Lmdc->.rtAJa y for· the last five years with the Labrador tnuit Association? f'.1 R . S P E A K E R : ThE! hon . the Premier . PRrMirR PECKFORn: No, Mr. Speaker . MR. I..ONG: A f:"i.11al suppJ E'!Tnent ary, Mr·. SpE:'aker· . M R . ~:; P F A I< f R : A finr:~l SIJpplf'!fllt"!nL.u·y, th~-:' hon . thE~ TII(!ITJbEH' for· ~)t. John 1 S Fas ·t. MR .

LONG: -------T would ask the Premier if what t. he P r· c"~ 1 n i. e r· i. s s a y i. n g +: o d ;:, y ··i s thc-~t the Provi nee l;.rill maintain a commitrnenl~. 1-.o the->. pr··inc"i.p1E~ -Ln i.t .s policy thai: denies Native groups in this Province access to sub-surface resources or water management rights in the negotiating process? MR. SPEAKFR: The hon . the Premier. PREMIFR PFCKFORD: Our policy has been enunciated and t. h E:' h o n . me rn be r 11 n d c~H' s t a n cJ s p d r i·: of Jt pretty well. MR. FFFORD: Mr . Speaker. MR .

SPFAKFR : T h e h o n . t h P rn em b e r· r n r P o r· "L d e G r· c:\ tJ c,~ . MR. I:::FFORD : "Thank you, Mr·. ~:;peaker·. Mr·. ~)pE~akc=!r'. Jn the absence of the I 34S2 Jum~ 22, 1988 Vol XL Minister of Socia] Services (Mr. Tobin). I have a quesU.on and I 1.1.J""i. l. l. r· e f f'! r· my q u c~~ s t. i. on 1-. o the Minister of Justice. It js concer·ning thE!

Boys' Home:~ and the layoffs that took place in the Boys' Home last year. l I~J o u l d '" s k t h e M ""i. rd s t.f:! r o f JustiCE!: Is shE! aiAJare, because of l·:hc,' l.:-1yoffs oF securtty at the Boys' Home in PleasantvillE:~. that r· r-~ c c~~ n i:.l y ''J r~' h d tJ c~' h d d iii to t. i'l 1. of five pe:'oplE• escape from the Boys' :In Hl!c! , i". h r· P 1-~ o F ~~J horn h"' v (~ no 1":. be('! n captured?

There is a problem with !;c~~ctlr ·-il ·.y t-lt-. th,,~ Roys' lioJne, and thE:~ smalJ staff at the homE! :-is tJ H t' y c o n c r=! r· n e rl , b r-~ c a 1 1 s C'! t. h E! y c a n not e v e n c o u n s Eo~ 1 t hem p r· ope r 1 y cl11 r• i. l"l 9 i: h H d r'l y 1: i. fiJI,' . t'\R. SPFAKFR: 0 r· d e r , p l. c~~ a s E~ ! Tl-w h o n . 1: hE~ Mi . n ·i. S ~-fH' 0 f J U S t i. C e . MS VERGF: Mr. Speaker. the Boys' Home at Wh"i.tbounlf :~ i.s Uw r''~sponsi.bility of the Department of Social Services.

The whole area of youth corrections falls withjn the Department of Social Services of oiJr pr'ovi .nci .al. govE~rnrnent. I will take the question as not i. c f~ , c:-1 n d d i. s c u ~; s t t 1.1J i. t h rn y colleagUE=!, the Mini.st.er for Social. St cH'IJi.CP~; . J ;un Sllt'(c! he IAJill. gE!t back to the hon. member with a t' o s ptHl s ~~~ . I~Ji. 1':1·1 t·. h (~' i. nf o nna t:. ton . MR. FFFORD : ~ •; II p p J. f~ HH'!tl h:H' y , M t' . S p E:~ i":l k E! r . MR. SPFAKFR: (1 stippl.nrnen l·.ar'y. Uw hon . i: hE:! member for Port de Grave. MR.

FFFORD : Mr. of Speaker, I ask is the Min :istE:•r J 11 s 1: -.i c f'! di~Ja r· ,.~ t~ h'"' t c'\ j u d g e ""i. n No . 61 R3452

Pr·ou-Lnci.aJ. Cour·t ·i.s qtl:i.tn concerned about escapes from t:he Roys' Homf:~, br-:!Ci-:liiS~~ of l.dyoff:; i'll'ld thr:~ Jack of sect;r•:ity thE:H'E:~ is a rn"ljor· pr·oblr·~rn dot,Jn lhr-:!t'(,', and h("! :i :. n 0 t IAJ:i J J :i n g t 0 S E:Hd ' EHl C e b 0 y S t 0 l. h t·~ H omP , s .. i n c t~ t-. hey <U' t'! sent d Ol~ll'l ·1-her·e fo1" closE:'d secur·jty, but r-~vf~r·ythi .ng ·is i·ll1 opt"!l'l dnd Hwy can corrw and go tAJhen thE:~Y feel ., j !< E:' .i. 1:? MR. SPF.AKFR : The hon. the Mini.stE=!r of Justice . MS VFRGF: M t' . S p E:~ d k <->. r , T ~J'i l. 1 t' E'! f e r i~ h ~=!

Hansard transcript of the member's r·c~!mar·ks to my coll.E:'ague. T d.Tfl sure, as he responds conscientiously to everything, he will take into account the member's comments and expressions of concer·n about the operation of the Boys' Home dt Whitbourne. MR. FFFORD : A final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPFAI<Fl~: A f:inaJ ~:uppJE~rnentc-:u·y, the hon . 1-:h<"! rnr~rni :H,H ' for· Por·i· . de Ct'i :1tH'. MR. T-1- FTFOIW : j ~; not ti 'IE:~ V.Jh"i.i.:bottr·ne, 'it: ·i.s at PleasanlviJJe . Boys' HornE:~ at L h ~~ B

C) y ') I II!) nHc' l i'l s k ·i. s i·: h r~ M ·i. n i s ~:F.! r o F J 1 J !> l ... i. c ~~ <'HAJiH't~~ of t.hE:1 Jack of security at thf'! ror·bdy Cc->.nt(~r·, 1..11hich -j~; shc:1r't·~d by boys and girls, and is she aware that there is an investigation ongoing because one of the->. g·'i.rl.s, aftc:!t' br:dng r'to~l.c,~ased fr·om th~;~ Boys' Home, was found to b r:~ p r· e g n a n t ? S o UH"! r· e i s a n investigation ongoing to see if she'! becarnf~ pr ·~=!gnant. IAJhil.e SE!rvi .ng her ~entence at the Home. MR.

SPfAI<FR : T h c'! h o n . t h E:' M i n -i. s t. r:~ r· of J 1.1 s l:. :i. c P • 134.S3 June 77., 1988 VoJ XI . r.IJS \J F. RC;F: Mr. Speaker, the m0.'mber· knows fu11. '''E:'l.l . T toJ.tl hirn so -:i.n cHlSIAH'!r t.o the first question - that the '"'hole 61r':~i.·1 of:- yotil:h cor 'rPc+.::ions fa 1. 1 s IAri t h i n Ht E:' r· ~~ s p o n s :i b j J i t. y o f ·l·.h·~ Ot·~Pi~1r ·l·.n1enl: r)f ::ioct<'11 ;)(->.r'lJoi.CE:'S . J jtr~;t: t~J•'1nl .. 'r:o dr:ld, l~hough, that T think it is very irresponsible for the• Oppo ~; ·i.t:i on cr·-i l:.ic for· ~:)oc:l.al.

Servi~es to refer to individual people with problems in his questions in the House of Assf~mbly. Tf ho gE~ntri.rwly has concerns about particular peop]e, t.hE:' r·E~sponsi.b1H t.h'i.ng Lo do is to take them up w:i th the Social W o r k e r· s IAJ h o a r P p a r· i·: o f t. h (o' s t a f f of the Department of Social S <->. r vic t·~ s , or· in dE~ e d U1 E! m:i n t s t e r , not to air them for the whole ptJbl.-i.c 'i.n Hw Housr:~ of AssernbJ.y . This is the place for questions about: po 1.-i. c y and ftJnd:i. ng, not about partjcular problems of the pr-wpJ f:'. MR. GULLAGE : Mr. Speaker . Mf~.

SPF.AKER : ThE:~ hon . thE:' rnPmber for· Wat.E·r~ford Kr·~nrnottni' :. MR. GlJU.ACF: Mr . Speaker·, my qUE!SU on j s Mi . n ·i ~; {-. t,~ r· of T t' •'l n s p or· 1-. a L j on . t.o the The rn:i n:i stE!r knows that there has ~HHHl .:1 p r· o b l r,~ m d Cll~m t h r· o u 9 h t: h e years with uninsured drivers being i.nuo]vpd i.n acc-tdr:=!nts, t.hE!ir victims only recourse to cornpfHlSdti .on bE~'ing j udgE~mE•nt. recovery.

Wj]], the minister take a position l'lOIAJ l~ri .l:h +:~W C1LitOITIObJl_e ·.i.riSIH'(c!r 'S to make it mandatory for insurance r:orrtpdl'l .. i.f~S ·t-o adv"is<,~ hts cJppar't:.rnE=!nt. when a person cancels his car insurance or is rnov tng jnsurance No. 61 R34 1=)3

J. fr·o1n onc,1 'i.nsiH'C,1r' to anotl·wr, thereby ensuring that insurance is mandator·y for publ.i.c J·i.i:'lbil"i. t.y and cannot be cancelled, only t. r· c\1'1 s f e rT c,1 d f r o rn o n e 'i. n s u r· a n c e company to the other? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the M i. wi. s t e r· of Transpor·tation. MR. DOYLF : Mr. SpE~abH', I tAri .ll -t-. .,\kP 1-hai: question as notice and get back to t.he hon . mP1flber IAri.l -.h so1nH :inforrnatjon on it.

J do not have ~~ll l:.he :i.nfor'mdl· :-i.on iHuned "i.dh ,1ly ava:ilabJE~ to rrw, but 1 t~o.lou]d po:i.n"l: OIJt l.o hirn l.hai ~ ll"w b·i.J.l 11·1,'11 . tJI~~ CUI"r'PntJy hrl~IE:' bE~folnC->. thE:1 HouSE:1 for· 1': h c~ n p r::! t' a 1: ·i on oF rno i .. o t' u rd· d c J e ~; t r! k P s j n t o a c c o u n t. s om E:1 con c r~ r· n s on j 11 d g r:~ 1 fll·~ n 1·. r· e c 1) IJ c-~ t' y ,,, n rl sets :it out in JE:1g:islation r·:ight ~w r t'! .

T h e s p c~!C: i F · i c p ,:-n· i . ~; n F +· h C'! bi 11 T can point out to thE! hon. lflf:'ITI~HH' tlris '"ft:c :!r'noon, b11t: t-.h: :! rE~st . of h:is quc-'sUon I LAJi.l1 hdue to take as notJce anrl gel thdt additoiona1 information for· h:irn. MR. GULLAGF : A supp1ementary, Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER: A supplE>.mentary, the hon. the member for Waterford - Kenmount. MR . GU I.. I .. AGE: ·w:i 11 ·-the -mj nister a1so initiate a h -l 9 h S dlf:> d I J l.

C~ 0 f fines for operating a vehicle without the rrrin"i.rnt.lrn pr·escr -i.becl amount of pubJj c li abt1 i ty, thereby insur:i ng t h d t: d p P. r s o n c: a n n o t c d n c ~~ 1 o t' t·r·ansfer couE:1r·age w:i.Hrout ·t-he rrri n '.'i. flllll'fl <~Hno 11 n t·? I'-1R . MORGr\N : Would thcd · hE!lp your· j tiSIH'dl1CE~ b II S j, I'W S ~; ? MR. ~iPFAI<FR: L 34 -5 4- June~ 2?., 1.98B Vol XI . The hon. i"lw M:i. n -i, s t ~'! r· of Transportation. MR. DOYLE : Mr. ~)peaker·, as far· as T. drn atAJare right notAl the pr·esent schedulE! of f-lnes th~t LAJe haue laid out in legislation j s adequate.

The hon. g E~ n f·. l ~~ 111 c.u1 , i. n h i s o p i. rd. o n , s a y s the

schedule of fines are not adequate to address the problem. Well, as far as I am aLAJar·e right nolA!, t.hr~ sdwdulo of f·irws ·i:hat i.s J.aid out in legislation is quite t:-1 d r-~ q 1 J d i': e to "'d d r· (~ s !> 1:'. h C:! p r· o b l. ~~ 1n s that he brings up. HotAJ8UE>.r, Mr. SpeakE!r', again I LAJ'.i 11 1·.d k ~~ t l'ld 1- ;., ~; not ·i c 1,, and pr·ou :i.cle the,, information IAJhen I can. MR. GULl AGF: (l F 'L n "' 1. ~" 1 p p .l c~ rn (~! n h" r' y , M t' . S p f:! a bH' . M R . ~~ P E A K E f~ : A final supplementary, the hon . 1: h l'' rnf:1Tnbc~! r· for· lr~d I· E! r·f or' d Kenrnount. MR.

GULL.AGE: Jnc:idE!ntalJ.y, Mr . Speaker·, there IAJ~~r·e SOJfl(o! cornrnc~!nl- .s ovcc.r· ther·r:! fr·om the backbenchers about my :inuolu("rnent . I had absolutely no connection at aJJ LAJith vehicle insurdnce. Absolutely none! SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! MR. GULLAGE : WjlJ the minister \Jnh'i.cle dr·iuers Registration applying for d r· -.i IJ t"! r· l · i. c l'' n ~; I'! s r.11 I~ . ~W F A K F R : Order·, please! haUE! Motor insist that uehic1e or Wot~ld t:.hE:1 hon. member· p1ease pose-:! hi~> q1rr~~> U .on? MR. GULLAGF: ~Jo. 6 l R34S4

That is what I am doing. llljj 11 the mird ster have Motor Vehicle Regis~rAtion insist tha~ drivers applying each year for ~'! :i. t: h ''! r· d r· i v e r' or u l"! h -L c ]_ r"! 1 J. c e n s P :; be l''E'!quj l"E~d t·o shotAI an actt.1al fl 0 ]_ i C y cl 0 C IHT]( "! 1'1 t S h OIAJi rl 9 1: 1·1 <~l 1-. i··. h f~ lj hrtue pubJ:ic JiabiJ. ·.ity for both 1. ·i c E'! I'; s r~ s d n cl not j 11 s t Hlf'' n t·.'i on i· h r,' ·j nsurance company 1 s name and pol i c:y nulll~HH' on i:hr~ dr··i tJPr' clppJ.:i cation or· vehicJ E:' appJ i cation f Ol"ifl? MR. SPEAKFR : The hon. thE:~ Mtnist<~!l" of l·ransportation. MR.

DOY 1..1·::: Aged n, Mr. SpE:'aker, I IJ.Jould r'E•fE!r 1:. h E:~ h o n . me rn b C~! r· t. o 1:: h e 1 C:1 9 "i. s l a t. i o n that. tAle pr·esc->.ntly have before the Housf~ For +:he:~ opc:!r'i.'lt..ion of mot.or uE:~hich's. He IJ.Jil.l find :i.n that lc.~ g -.i. s 1 a t. :i. o n t h c->. r f~ ·i. s a n o b l. i g a !: i. o n upon the individual who is applying for a license ~o haue pr·oof of insuranCE! as st.ai:ed .

I t:h"i.nk t.her'E~ :·i.s sornet:h "i.ng abo11t that j n thE• b:i 11, as :it rel.ates to i'lppJying fol " d dr·ivr ,~r 1 s l'i.c:r"!l'lSC:' iHid for' j udgemE:'ni r·E~covery c1.S L~H :~lJ.. r"lR. ~)PU)KF:R : 0 r· d E:~ I" , pl. E' a s E:' ! Thf~ 1·.:-iJnr-~ for· Or·;,,] Qlle!;t: ·i.on·; h(''~' E-'J apsod. MR . W()RREI\I: A pcd nt· of or·der, Mr·. Speaker· . MR. ~>PF.AKER: A po:int of order, the han. the Min"i.ster of Norl:'.hern Development. MR. WARREN : Mr. Speaker, roughly twenty-five rn"i.nui-.E:'S ago t:hc-~ hon. the lnPJnbr-:!r ' for' Port dE! Gr·aue (Mr.

Efford) asked me tf 1 could find out sornE~t.hing pertaining to the Rays 1 1.311 -5f) JllrH:' ?.?., 1.988 Vol XI . Horne. I told the han. gE!ntleman I 1~1ould do my bf~st- to fi.nd oul~. thE• answer to questions he asked rne COnCf:!t'l'l"i .ng l·he pr·obJ.PHJS rlt. i::hP Home in PJeasantviJ.le. Subs ~~ q Ill~ n t l y T d .. i.e I , M r· . ~:) p f! a h! r , find out·-- MR. SPF.AKFR : 0 r' d C:! r· , p l c-:~ '" s t=! ! T'hi·1 l: ·i.~; no ·l· a po:Ln 1 ... of or'dt=!r . SOMF. HOI\I. MFMAERS: Oh, oh! MR. WARREN : M r· . ~) p r-'1 r.-1 k e r· , m y p cd . n i:: o f o r· d ('! r· :i. s , Mr .

Speaker, that he has - MR. SPEAKER : Or·dc:H', please~!! That ts not a poi .nt of order . MR. WARREN: Mr. Speaker, I IJJi.ll change it to a point. of prjvilege . MR. TULK: Mr. Speaker, it is not. a point.. of or·d ~~ r·. MR. WARREN : 1 14J'.i.ll. C 1·1 <Hll.jl-:' i. l: 1".0 ,:·1 fH) ··i_ 111-. 0 f privil.ege, Mr . Speaker . (.)1\J HOI\J. r~FMfl F. R : Hear it . first. SOMF HON. MEMAERS : Oh, oh! MR. W()RREN : Mr.

Speaker, the han. gentleman never gave anybody a chance t:o find out the kind of thing that he wantc:'d to fJnd out . ~3E:!condl.y, t.he biggest, most important thing that that hon. gentleman did was practically destroy the c r· (~ d -L b i l. .t t. y of a n oi. n d i. u i d u a l. "'i. n the Province. That. i.s the danger No . 61. R:11l.r.>s

:-i 11 what t.hi!; f.IJr·. Spf~i:t h! r·, p r· 'i v :·i 1 c~ g e . MR. SPFAKFR : Ckder·, p1 E:~ase! gE:~nt1.eman ., n d :i -;~ i :> cl:id i~oday, i~ potnl: or T cannot. see ho1~1 Uw hon. mernber· 1 s prjviJeges are affected by that. There is no prima facie case. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hear! Private Member 1 s Day MR. SPEAKER: To d d y -i ~; P r· j v i:1 t F.: IAri

J) C d 11 0 I' I t h li:~ s 1: r,~ p h r~: n 1; j_ 1 1 P . M CcHfl tH~! r· I s

I) a y I :r: hon. member· for TI·H~! hon. the trt:~ulbt:!i' r-or· StPphPnvjJ]e . SOI'-H:: liON. MU,f1FRS: HE!dl", hf~arn! MR. K. AYI.WARD : Thank yo11, f"'t'. Sp!':dkf~r· . I t_ i s a p l. f~ r:1 s 1.1 r' c~! 1:. o r' :i s e r. o d ,:'l. y t-o discuss the Private Member 1 s Motion T have,~ put fcH'I..IJrH'd on Uw Or·der Paper. The resolution, Mr. S p E:H:t k E! r· , -- SOME HON. MEMBERS : Oh, oh! MR. SPEAKER : Order, please! MR. K. ()YIWARD: The resolut:ion concerns lHH:~rnpJ oymE!nt J n 1-hE:~ Prov:i nee. It concr"!r'I'IS ro~lnp1oylrll-:!tlt ·. pr·ogrdlrt:; it 'l t-h f: P I" cw -j n u~ .

T t c CHI c E! r n s I -1: hi n k, Mr·. !)pnf'll< r~!t', f:~IHH'Y body -in t h P P t" o v :i n c P , ~ n d t-he r E! j s a g Y' e a l· 1'1 I I HI b l'! t' 0 f p 1-~ 0 fl J. !::' 1.3'1-S6 .JUI'H'! /./., 1.9813 \Jo1 XI . SOME HON. MFMRERS: Oh, oh! MR. SPFAKFR: Order, pl.easP! MR. MORGAN: ·rhat 1s not stupid . MR. K. AYLWARD: Anyway, Mr. Speaker, the rc->.sol.IJL -i.on, wh-i.ch I bE•l:i.t'Ue is uery important and t.uhich a lot of peoplE~ OLit.

HIC '!r'e -i.n tl·l(: Pr·ovince would like to hear some discussion on, concerns employment policies and the unemployment problem we hdUCc' in !·:h-is Pr'OlJ:i.ncf~, I;.Jh:i.ch we a 11 know is a g r au e pro b 1 em . It -j s ,:-, f>r'oblE~rn 1~o1h-.-i .ch has bc~fHI ;:n·ound for quite a lengthy period of I: i 111 ~-;: , b 1 1 I-_ mo r· t=: ., o ;:HI d -i. n c r· E~ a s i. n g l y so in thE:~ last number of year·s, !; ·ince :-:hi:; dc:lmi .n:.i.sl:rat ·ion has taken offjce. l n p 11 1: -L i n g f o r'l.lk\t' d t·. he r· e s o l u t. ·j_ on , M r .

S p e a k P r· , -.i. -L g :i v e s t. h i s H o u s E! a c han c ~-:' to f o r: 11 :; n n t: h r::t 1: p t' o b l P m. the unemployment problem in this P r' o 1; t n c E! , and :i t g i IJ e ~; IJ !; a chance to debate and put forward ideas i.•\ncl to t'\J.so look c'\1': t:h(! r'f;!COr'd, Mr. Speake:r, to make thj s goVI'::1r'l'llflf'!l'lt:. accountablP for· lAJhat has been done in this Province. Thai~. nr~!f~ds to be"! dorw so -if they are going in the wrong direcUon, HH,~ y IAri.ll. k n o IAI w h e n~ 1-. o g o i n t h e future. Mr.

Speaker, it is aJ.arming to look at the state of this Province lAJI'HHI tt COrtH~S to i.t-.s fH:~opl.c->. and what is happening all over. In i·: h l-:' l_ a s t I~ h r r,H~ y l~ rH' s I M r· . s p e d k E! r· I the populatjon of this Province h '" :; d H c 1_ i n :~ d s l: f~ ad -L 1. y . That -;_ s a significant fact which nobody can d i, :> p 111 · c=! . T.i : i. :> s orn e t: h .i. n g that. i. s astonishing wher1 we hear the pr·ov ·i.nc : i .• '\1. go,H -::t'l'lfiii -H li-. ,::~dv c~ r+::i .si. ng the great number of jobs they hav e 1\Jo. 6l R3/I.S6

created. They advertiSE! this in the~ neiAJSpapers, Mr·. Speakt-H'. I do not mind them announcing proj ec-t:s and I do not mind +:hE~rn announc"i.ng the different initiatives for they at' f~ I~Jf'! l. c orne:' rno st. oF +: h r~ t '"i.1ne, Mr·. Speaker, -.if they are good. They dt'e hJPl COHie. 11 I I 1.

I~J h e 1'1 y () 1.1 9 0 0 II t d rl d y 0 I I i'..tdvE~J"·ljsc:1 and you say E!V(':H'Y t·l·dng -i ~> h 11 n k y -dot' y .:-1 n' I I· h.:: r· ,.~ i :; no 1·. r·C-1i'.llly i'.l p1··obJ E:.n1 out t.ht11"C~!, and t l·w I I rw rn pl. () y I fl e n I. i" r'l h:' 0 II L i··. h (! t' C:! lhcd . js put for'IAicH'cl by ~=itat ·s C d n .:·l rl r:1 i !) r· e ;:·l J J y n o 1·: ~-h r·) lHl P m p l o y nHHl t r· c-d· E! , a s t h E1 h o n . M'i.n'isl:c,1r' of Fi.nancE'! (rJJr·.

I!IJ-ind:;or) said just a few weeks ago, when he s i'l t c:l i. t -i s , .. f'! .:1 ll y not t h "1 1-. h t g h , r·Pa1.1y it. is only half of 1..1.1hat is s t a t f'' d i. n t: h r:. ~3 t a ~: s C a n a d a figur·es, t~JhNl you hear this kind of stuff you ki.nd of say 1-o yourseJ.f, is the message in goVt.;!rnmen 1:: OIJi -. ther·p? Do thE!Y really real.ize what the problems at' E! o u i:: 1~ h c:! r E!? Ck ·i s i. t: j 1 1 s t , M r . Speaker, 1 We will put the best face on i.i- . for· no1JJ. v~e arE1 not t.o sure what. we are going to do about -Lt. but .

I~JC:' 1.o~J"i.ll. put: Hw b<:'St fc"lcr~ on :i -!:. for· notAl. 1 Tf that :is th(':' case, then it is 1.1 n f o r t: 1.1 rh·l ·1-c,1 , b P c i:'ll 1 s : ~ ~~H·) h ~~ t; e !; o rn e S e I" :i 0 U S p r· 0 b 1 E~ I'll S IAI h j C h h a V E.~ t 0 b E:' cle.·-l.] ·1: IAii l".h I .:·Jnd Lhf~Y dt'f:' ·i.n r:'l v~riety of sectors, where 1hese pr·obl.Pifl!> ar·r::1, .in i .. r·y·i .ng l:o 'i.rnpr·otJt:! the-' I"E~sourCE! sectors IAJe hnVE! ·l o df~t;::•J.op 011r' E~r.onorny. Tn -L·l: ir'li-:i .t;o·; II a v E'! t. o be t a k E>. n , M r· . Speaker· .

My l"C:!ason for· put.U.ng this resol.ut-Lon Forwctrd is to get a d:iscuss:ion go:ing in th~is House on the i.ssue. I will be f <H'wa l"d at UH:1 end of thE! n e X t IAHH~ k l h 0 p E:: , S 0 ffH:1 irdt:jatives we would like s t.artr~d. I 34S7 June 22, 1.988 puLI~i.ng dE! batE!, of th<:1 to see Vol XL But one of the first things that you musi~ do ·i.s to get d pi.cture of what it. is out there. What is the s 'i. t·. u ct 1·. i on 'i. n 1: h t s P r· o v ·i n c <:1 w h P n 'i t. comes to people being employed and unE~rnployr~d, Mr·. ~ipr-~dkE:!r'? Wha 1~. ·i,s the rea] situation?

That is sorrwt.h:i ng they havE:! tri.E!d to COVf!t' ·it liP. r~r·. ::)pf~r:•l kf:!r'. T think pE:1op1t' rea1izc:' a fc~!I.AJ pr't1SS t'<·)ll-)d~>t.-)~; Fr·nr11 ·Hll'! hon .

Pr'Hird.E>.t' 1 s office saying he is pJ.eased the III'Wmpl .oyniPni: r·<~h': t:h ·i.s month IAJC.:!nl~ up or· down, maybe a thousand, or r:IOIAJn r'\ hi:\lf d dc~Cl .Hlc'll. po:·i .n!: Or' something, I do not think that peop l <:: r·ec:ll J y "' c c f~P t i':ha 1: t:h .i ng s are getting, or shou1d be going IAJI'Wt'f~ tJwy should be, and +:hat tAlE' are on an improving trend, a trend H1 d t l.IJi . 1 J. s o E~ o 1 H' fH~ o p l. f~ n o I~ h a v e to leaVE:1 this Province, ljke thE!Y do and J.·i k P t. hey rH' e do :in g n OIAJ, Mr. Speaker, more than they E!Ver did.

So there c'lre some major problems there which have be a cl d r ~~ s s f~ d . T wiJl reAd thP resolution into the record, Mr. Speaker:

WHEREAS tn the and the unemployment prob1em Pr·otJ"Lnc~1 of I\Je1~1foundland Labrador has become pr-ogr·ns!;i .tJf:~ly hJOt'~;c.;!; r:-:tnr.l WI·IFr~Fr1S 1·:he:! pop11ldl.:i.on oF r'IH'd l has bE:1E.>r1 (~conorn i c NE.~wfoundl and and I abr·ador dc!r:l. i.n·i.ng, dl'l!l <:1.lso activity has declined, and WHERFAS hr.t ~; by private t·.ht-) i".f.!n NetAJfoundland and Labrador Far· !·: h f~ IAIO r· s ''" r· e cor· d for· sector· job creation among fl r· o tJ i n c e s , a n d

WHEREAS th0 labour relations climate in Newfoundland has become progressively worse, thus keeping investors from setting up new enterprlses, and No. 61 R 3 4-S 7

•-' W H F. r~ F () ~~ d 1.1 r· i. n g 1·. h i ~; 19'79 oF Adrnin :·i st:rat:i on's YE:!ar·s s-.i.ncE:~ 1--. h e,! n 1 1 m b c,! r' o f r· e::' c i. p ; f! n t: ~; Ull~:~rnp] oyrrwnt j nsurancE~ has g r· Ol.lll'l by more ~han half; THEREFORE llF JT RFSOI .U~ ~D Hlr'lt th:i.s HousE! condemn the pr'E!Sent. d d Hri. n .i. s t r a t i o n ' s ~~ rn p l. o y rn m11·: r· <'! c o r· d and r·equest that neu..1 in:itiatives be st .iH't.E~d ·i.rnmed"i.at..E~l.y to r'C::! -start economic activity all over the Provincc,! . 11 SOME HON. MEMBERS : hear, hear·! MR. K. AYLWARD: I Ud n k , M r· .

S p c,! a bH' , H1 r'l 1:. fa j, r·l. y w~J 1 sums up i:he u..Jay I feel about -i. t. , a n d T t. h i n k 1:: I·H~ 1Ak1 y "' l o t o f pE-HJpl E~ feE~l about j 1:. in Hd.s Pr ·ov ·i.nce. ThE!IJ Cdrl COlllH 011'1-. t h ~'! s <-'! J ·.i t t 1 P p r· <-! s s i·.hr~ Off ice,! of t-.ht! do not think it p eo p J (-:! • l h t! t' e ·'11. ~; :i n n ~ 1 9 '7 9 , u..Jh at :i t ··i ~; a~ ; 1-.on·i .sh -i.ng! <'lnd p11l 011t·. r'Edeases fr ·om f> r· H rn ·i.r'! r· , 1:) 11 l. r: :1 s conv i nc-.i ng fi'tc1 ·!; sho1~1, happen:i ng.

It You go to show people exactly what 1:: h f~ I" r· f'! n d h a s b e <'! n i:l n d t: h i. s i s frorn Hw budge-t. books put out by l~h-i.s gover·nment and t..h~:'IJ look etL :it and say , 11 You k n OlJJ, I never tho1.1ght -· MR. HODDER: A point of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPFAKER: A point of order, the hon . the rn~~mber for· Por·t. atJ Por·t. MR. HODDER : Yt~S, Ml" . Speaker·, l.tke to hctV~'! solnc,' you, Your Honour . I u..JOuld just 9 U -i. d r:'l rl C ('! f r• !) Hl The resolu·tj on s ,;, y s : 11 ~~l·w r· e~ as UtE:' tHH~I'Ilp l. o y nw n 1··. fH 'obJ c,~rn :i 1·1 thE:!

Pr·ovintE:! of 1\J e-?.IAI f o u n d J. d n ( I h .:-1 !; b c'! c:: n rn l'! I 3f! .~,8 June 22, J 988 UoJ XI p r· o '.3 r· e s ~; i. t; H l.y 1~10 ~· s e 11 • Mr ·. ~-)peak: :!t', nnr·rni'll.ly stat·e '!l'llents made on a Private Member's motion, d n d I IAJO 1 1 l rl i:'l s k yo'' , Your· 1-1 on our · , for a rul:i.ng on this, but normally si":i'lt .f~HIC:'nt ~; ntdde ar'f'! cor·rec 1:. M r· . ~:) fH~ a k P r , !3 t r:1 t i s t. ·i. c s C a n ad c:'.l since last year has shown that the unf~HlployrrH :!nt r·al :e i.n Nf'!IAifoundland has dropped 1. 4 percent fr·om 1986 to 1987 . NOtAl, Mr· .

Spc,'i::tkE!Y', that is a true statistic, and it was the largest absolute decline in the unemployment rate by any Pr·ov'inCC:!. Mr·. Sp~h'lker, I alfl just . wondering if Your Honour could r·ul.E~ on 1-.hr'lt b(·:•cauSE:' t:he 1nernbPr' j_s starting his speech on a false p r· orn-i . s (c' . ~11R. SPF~KER: To that point of order, there :i.s no po in1: of lH'cl c,H' . T dC(I·)pt 1-. h f:' hon . 1t1ernb E! r· 1 s r·eso] u·l ion. MR. K. AYLWARD: T h <'1.11 k y o 1.1 , M t' . S p e d k E! r .

The phrasE! says, 'WHEREAS the unc,!rnpl oymont pr·ob]f ~ln ·i.n the Province of Newfoundland and l ... dbr·ador hi::tS worse.' bE !COifl~~ progrC o'SS 'i.VC '!l.y Let me tell you what that means . PREMIER PECKFORD: The-?. unemployment r·ate has dropped (oi.naudi.ble). MR. K'. AYLWARD: The unemployment might have dr·opfH:~d one-?. or· t.:wo FlC'!t'CCoHJtage points, but the problem of getting r'l j () b "i. tl Uri . s p r· () l) :i. n c e,, h d s b (o! c 0 rn E:' progressively worse! SOMF HON . MFMRERS: II f~ r'l r' , h c:! rH' ! No. 61 R34 .~i8

MR. K. AYLWARD: Not, only that, thE~ population has b E! e n d e c 1 -L n i n g , h o n P t' e rn i e r· , s o this thing here is very true as far dS T. am concern~~d and as far' as a lot of other people are con c e r' rw d . T h ~~ r' r.:1 t. e go E~ s cJ OIAJI"l for' one year out of nine while you hav~~ br-~E'!rl Pr·r-~m ""i. L::!r' c:~ nd YOIJ ar'c-?. CliH'!r' t hE:H'~~ br·agg:i ng about :it. Wel1, I hc:-1v~~ l.o h:.l.J. yntt i.".hdt i~; ned· UH'! t~a y i t :i s o u -~ 1 hE~ r· E·! .

Tt 'is .1 pr ·obl .::! tll i·o ge t <.·1 job 0111: t.I 'HH' E) , a v EH ' y b :i g p r o b 1 e rn t o g Ed a j () b ()II l: "1-. 1·1 (! r· ('! r:lll d 1: h i:l [· -i_ ~; '"' h y Hl (! I" e so J IJ t :i on ·.i s on t·.i·1 e r· Cc' an cJ that j s IAJhy i"h( '' IA)(H'd:; dt'(-) flll"l U1di·. I,1JdY . Y o u :i rd f! I" p I" cc~ I t h E:~ m y o u r' IAJ a y ct n d I wi .l.l. 'i ni·J!t'pr·r ~t ·t:he111 HJ:"i .nr~ b11i·., T think, t· hPy an~ go:i ng Lo bE:~l :ievE>. us lrtOl"e ~.:h<.~n tht '!Y .::tr ·c·:! going l:o bE:~lJ o ve you, by the way.

T. t:h"i.nk -Lt. -i.s U .IIIE: ~ thai ~ ~·.he message got out t:here :i.n this Pr ·ov -i.ncE:' t.hat SOiflE!t .h-Lng has l::o brc' done about it. These minuscule l.tt::tle r·~~lr-~ases from thE:~ hon.

P r· em i e r· 1 s off :i. c e and hi s dE! put. y g o v e r· n o r· u p t h ~>. r· <c' s a y "i. n g t: h a t everythJng is okay and the u n Cc~ rn p 1 o y lfiC '! n t. i s g E:! l:: t: "i. n g a 1 o t: easiE:'r and Hd ngs are gE!tt.ing b f'! t t. e t' , t h wy c a n i.o\ J. l c o rn r-~ home nouJ, things ar'E! getting bet:t:er, Uwr 'tc is no pr ·oblPifl, i":hc,~y CrHl COHH~ h OTIIE·! l.&.Jh Cc' n E:' v E:' I" t h ~~ y I.&.! ant . :r can t.P]l you tha'L it is no1 that I~Je1Y <Hil: tiHn'~c~.

J 1-. ·i.:; 1. i HI<'! i·h<-:! rnf!SSa .ge l~i51~> br·ought. hornE:!, and a d dJ r:1 1-. n i s h t~ l. d i n 1: h i •; H o w; ,,, o n that. mdlt.er·. You can dispute Uw se fact~; bui -. ·i.f yo11 I'Ji:H11: 1·.o dj spute the facts, t hE:HI l IAJou1d c:·1Sk !·.he hon. Pr·errril'!t' l"o go br·lr:k to 1979, in h:is budget . books ·- Mf~. FUI~FY : G "i. v e h "i. fl1 h i. s 0 IAJI'l q u rH' 1:: ~~ t' l. y r· (-~ p () t' 1": . MR. K. AYU'\IARD : L.3 4-S9 J'UnE! 22, 1.988 Vol XL T. t "i. s "i. n UHc~ De par· t men 1·. of Labour 1 s quarterJy report. MR. SIMMONS : 1988 . MR. K.

AYLWARD : A governiTIE!nt. report for 1988. 11 lhr'! Unr-:!rnpl.oyt ·nnnt r·at~~ for· the Prouince j n March was 2 J. 9 per cent". I,1Jhi.Lh ·i~; cH1 ·i.ncr'f-'!c'lSE! of /..3 points ove1" the Januar·y f:igur·e of 19.6 . 11 SOMF HON . MFMRFRS : ilt~rH', hf.!o:U'! Mi~. :<.

AYI.WrlRD: 11 The number' of unemployed males :in l:h~-:' Pt'o<.dnc<'! :i net'f''dSf.'!d fr·orn 22,000 in January to 28,000 in March, c a 1 ~ s L n g Uw lfkll. ~~ u n ern pl. o y mE! n 1:: r· a t. ('! to increase by 3. 5 percentage p o i. n t s , f r' o m 1. 7 . 9 t n J a n u a t' y t o /.1 . 4 i.n March . 11 NotAl, th i.s ·i,s ·the ·i.r- ot.&.m r'E:'por·t, Mr. SpeakE!r, the Department of Labour, CovE:!r'nmE'!nt oF NetA.Jfoundl.and and Labrador, and I would hazard t:o guess we are not go"i.ng to see another one in the next few years - SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hr-~ar·, hear·! MR.

K . rlYLWARD : - as a mat.tE:~r· of fact, becausE! "it <; p (-) d k ~; t h lc~ t r· II 1·: h I 1,1) i. 1. h 1:: h l'! government 1 s money, not the PC 1 s rn o n e y , 1: h c~· 9 o IJ (,' t' n rn t'! n i. 1 ~; rn o n e y , t: h ,,, taxpayers of Newfoundland and I dbr'rHior·! Tt: ·i.s llnFor·tun<·d:e. YOII Cr'ln quest i.on (,1Jhal -. r.h(! IJ..JOr'd "i. ng says but the problem is sliJl ·L h P t' <:' , s <) yo 1.1 c ,., n d r-~ d 1 1,11-i. 1·: h t. h a t .. As hE:' once said, it:. was a df~':epl·.·ion i'll·: that L:i.1nrc~ b(~!Ci:~USf'!

T had to do that t.&.lhen it comes to thr~ r·ailtAJ<'IY. w~~J.l., this "i.s not a deception anymore, Mr. Sp(~akE!f', and the message is getting home . No. 61 R34 -59

You can l·.hr'OI.Iol r:'lt'OIHld Uw f.i.gllt'O!>' but when your own gover·nrrH:!JTl :· r· C:! p o r· t· t: c'! l. l s y o 11 l.~ol h '' i: "i. 1·. .i. !; , l: he n T do nol thj nk you hauo an iH'ljiJifl!~nt-.

Yo11 CrHl c;wt 11p .:·1nrl h:'ll u ~; ll1 Cl t f o ,.. l h e J f.l. s t: y e a r· o r· s o i:hdl ". i.J: lfJJghi'. hdl)(:' Wt!nl ·: ciOI.~oJrl by ttAJO pojrd~;, Ol" :-it might.: have 1.1.JPnt down by one, rHld i::hr :-\1- typt:• of t·hing, but l lAJouJ.d ask that. l.1.lhen he gets up t.o sper:tl<, and I hop(:! he SfJE!aks on the rE!soJution, I hope I·H~ goes back to '1.9'79 and looks <.·11': the-:'! r·ecord of employment for this Province in ~he J.ast seven or eight years.

That ud.lJ. be a shocking s t. at i. s t i c t. o d101.1.1 p c-:'! o pl. f~ in Hds Province, because the t r e n d g o c:~ s u p , a n d u p , c\rl d 1.1 p . We never heard of unemployment untiJ 20 p~~ r· the c f:! n t. hon. Pr·(~lfdt!t' and h'i.s adm· ·i.n'i.str·dti .on cam0 Jnto office. SOMF HON. MFMRFRS : H e d r· , h e r:·l r· I 1'-1R . K. AYI.~vARO : ·so IAihon :it' goes clot ... m to :19 pc::1r CC:'I'l 1·. 1 l.:h: ;!y dt'(:~ r'l!) hr'lflPIJ r'\!) r:-1 ]C~I"k! :It : is not cl pr·obJem at. d ll ! lt\1 e n c:! lJ 1:! r h e d r· d o f t h .:1 l'. 1 J n I: · i. l. 1979 and it kepl moving up.

Th8 youth unemployment. rate in 1 ... h i. s P r· out n c t~ "i. s d t-. r· o c l. o 1 J s ! W h t:! n t hc-.l.t goE~s down by a PE:~rcentage po i.nt Uwy do the:~ sanH~ l::hJng, Mr·. Spc::'a I< N'. The u nempl oyme nt rate For· Mar·ch rnonth dr·oppe:~d fr·om 35 per· cent t~o 3 3. 5 per cent. We are very happy 'i.t i.s go.i.ng down. The next month it goes up by 3 per c C:Hl t. a n d 1J o u d o n o t s e e a n 1J p r· c:! s s re1ease. We do not see a press r· e l c~1 as r-:! sa 1J 'i. n g , 1 W t:1 <-H' E! con c t:' r· tH.;! d that the::~ rate went up. 1 WeJJ., i"hat is pure deception, Mr.

Spe;~kLH', biJl· . i.t: :i.s nol: df:!cepi:"i.on to the young people in the Prov ·i.nr:H 1~1ho ha1H~ lo l.r-~;:-1ve •'tnd who I. 3ll ·60 JUI'IE:' 2/, 1988 Vol XI. h;:·llJB l:o }(,~d\JI-~ l'lOI~J mor'fo! thrHl they ever did in the history of the P!'OlJ"i .ncc!. lh.11 ·. ·i.:; scHrH:!I·h..-i.ng t.ha~ : is a J.egacy of this goyernment .

ThE!Y can gE!t up and Uwy can tc-J.Jk .:-1b011l: I: he S h'lh; .:-1lJ. thHy l..llrHlt and say, 'WE! arc::~ doing r·E·a1ly uJell in l:.hr:' lds l-. year· t'lnd d half', 1 and t.1..110 years c1go in the budget. they I.~JerE! yotng Cdp .. -in · .. hr'lnd t:o Ot ~·.a1.1.1a looking for money to get bailed out b r-~ c a 1.1 s E:! I~H:! d .. i. d not. I< n Ol,r,J if. we were going to go bankrupt ud thin lhc :' next. coupl.~~ of yt.;!ar·s. So we are rea11y coming a 1ong way, Mr. SpE:'akiH'. MR. FUREY : Tell us about the youth trends. MR. K. AYLWARD: T h t~ you i ... h +: r· r-:! n d ~; d r· e a s hoc king fact, Mr.

Speaker, and theSE! are ~)t:r'li·s C<:lnddr't f"i.gur·r-~s. I l:(:!l.l. IJOU, we can have the J.everage of saying i L is ofr by t1~1o or· thr·r~( '!. In 1987, NeuJfoundland, 29.4 per· Cf:!nt; 1\lOlJd :-:>co l:·i ,., , our· next door· netghbor·, 19.8 per· cent; Nei!.J 8 r· 1 1 n s IJ,J'i. c k , ? 0 p e r· c ~~ n 1.: ; q tH:! tH~ c , 14.9 pE~r· cent; and rtght on dotJ.ll'l +·.he J.·i .nn, l.o goE!:; l·o 12 p<:!t' cE~nt., 15 per cent.

There is nobody ~~Jit:hJn ·1·.(!1'1 po'i.nl.s of us 'i.n Cani:'tciN. when it comes to the youth une1nployrnunl·. r·r.11·.~~. not d pr·ov-Lnc(~, not evE:~n t:he ones nE!Xt to us in Al"lanl:"'i.c Ct':tnadc:'\! Jn 1979 the unemployment rate for youth was 2S fH~' r· u~ n i~ . MR. FUREY: It went up 4 per cent. MR. K. AYLWARD: I 1:: IAJe n t. up lj. per· cent , but it. has reached leveJ s in the J.ast couple of yE~ar·s of 3 5 and LJ.o pE!Y' cc~'nt. Not only that, Mr. Speaker, we h d lJ c:! had a pop 111 a l. ·; on d E:~ c 1 'L n E:!

""i. n rural Newfoundland by over S,OOO ·i. n t: h c.;! 1 r.t s l': f o 1 It' o r· f i v (~ y c~' r:H' s . No. 61 R3460

Rc-:!cc;!nt s~ctts sh01. .. 1 Uw popul.a t: 'Lon rural has decljned in Newfoundland. So, uJ her·(~ d r· (>. t. h t:~ peoplE! going. and where js the economic prosperity of t·.he gr'ei'lt policy initiatives of this goVE!Y'ntnr:~nt:? We a r·c-:! not- t. he go v f>. r· nlrtf:~ n t.. They bring forward an initiative and we try to dedl wi~h it ~s best we can and make surE~ t·hat. th~::' concE•rns of 1".: h Cc~ p 8 0 p l f~ 0 II [-. 1-. h !-~ r• Cc~ d t' (c' Rddressed. We are Her Majesly 1 s l.oyi·\J Oppos:i.l ::i.o n. lhdl: ·i.s ottr' r·o]l::!. That ·js our · job.

WE~ havE.~ t. o cl o L h ,~, i· . [ t)Jill p.d_ l-_IH•Irt Ui'l ·IJw bt'\Ck l)JI'H'!i'l ·UtE~Y l:w: ·i ng ::in good PI"091"ctfiiS. Mr. ::) fH~ d krH' I t h (' r. e . i <; e\ y () II I: h E~ntrE,pr'E·•nt'UI" pr·ogl"i'.lrtl that lAJCIS b r· o u g h l: --j n b y t·_ h .. i ~; g o IJ :H' n trH'! 1·1 I-_ ~~~~dch, by the lAJay, WI::' he1pc,>d beC61.USe bli-~ hr.1cl SOHHc~ dr:.b~l-y on -jn the last three years. It was SOirtEd-.:h"i.ng [·:he\1". I.~Ji:\S rJE:!bHh~cl i.n l·:hi .s HousE! and it: tAJcl s fin a 1ly brought L n 1 a s l:: y e a r· . T tAl a s o n c,=• rn E'! 1 n b E:~ r· • as many hE=!rE!, Mr.

SpE:'aker, who welcomed that type of dpproach, who welcomed that program. But HH'! o n l y pro b l.

E~ m i s 1:·_ h e r· e l s no ~: enough of that progr·am, therE! is nor . enough money -i. n that f>r'ogr·am. and it i.s far less than needed to de i·\ l '"'' i 1·: h i-: hat pro b 1 I'! rn out t: h E>.r' r~ r:i ght now. ~3 o • i:I'H>.r' o t)Ji:'l s r.1 p a i: o n Uw b M c k fOI" that, and they got the pat on 1.: h r,~ b d c k I b I I l: l: her· E:~ i_ ~; r:'\1 ~=; C) (-\ nti~ljor· pr·ob]E:~nl out thE:~r·e t:hcd t'( ;!qtJ ·i.r ·ns trli:lj or· •:-\C l: ·i.on. r: l: ·i.~; t·i 111~) t·h:i~; govel"nment took major aclion on UH~·;~} ·j n·i.t·i r:·\'l .ilJI,~S I -j ns 1:1-)i·lrl or prcACt:jcjng i'l dE-~Cf:'pi:lon.

You can no t- d ~-~ c t=:' ·i lJ t·) 1-. h t' p (~ o p l 1-~ i:ll'l y HHH' t:~ • 1'-11" . ~) p E' !:! kE:! l" . T h P y C i'll'l b E:' ] :i E:~ V E~ f 0 r• so lrtany Yf'!c:U'S. Yo11 knOIJ.J, 1 ~\le t.~d.J.l gjve -t.hE'!ITI a chancr:~ and lAH:~ will g--i_ue i:hf:'l\1 d chanc1~ c'\l'ld t;Jc;! IJ.J-i.ll g:ive thern a chanCE!, 1 but holAJ many 1 .. 3 4-6 l JunE~ 22, 1.988 Vol XL ChiHlCf~S do you gEd:? r f I '"''a s t: h (! h o n .

P r· E! rn i E! r· o r h j_ s gouernmE!nt, or tf I was in g o v f:' r n 1 n e n t • a f b~ r· f o u r of f :i u e years I would want to look ai : rny n=!ccwd t.~.JhE :•n I t.~.Jas r'E:'ady l::o leave and I wou1d want people to say, 1 When t:hc:-1t. Fr-~llotAJ, or· whoc,~uc->.r' -i.t lAJas. was j n goVE!rnment, the 1.1 n E:nn p l.o y 111 n n t--. I" t:-1 l:: c;! :in Uw P r· o u i n c c:! • the amount. of people gettjng Hrrtpl.oyc-:!d and l::IH~ popt.tld 1--_-:i.on of -1::1-w P r· o vi n c e • was doing we 1] . P E>. o p 1 E!

I~HH'f:' 9E!l-[·_·i .n(_j !:'Hipl.oy:~d dl'ld 1-:hE! economy was doing okay and we made 1--_h<·\i- con1:r--:ibtJ1'.ion. We lr,,Fl: tAJ"i .l-.h a good J c-:!gacy. 1 1'-1r' . S p e a k e r· • tAllH' n y o u r·i.gtJi'f:'~) ·; ·i.nc(,~ 1.979 aclm:inisl:-rat::ion, lAW F:i.gut·n·; t~Jc,, 1·.ho1 .tghl: I)Je see. I think that. brought horn~->.. look at l:he I~J ·j 1:: h t h i S ar·e SE:'Ed.ng u.Jould neuc,~r· has to be ~~ l·ri .J f:! I~H'! I~H~ l.

C 0 IW~ [-- ~H'' 1.1 I'll:' HIp l 0 y Trl f'! n 1--_ rate drop in the last year or two ye,'\r's, l·.:hf''Y Sc'\Y i.t-_ dr·opp('!d by one and then by another one, and thE·n it has been fluctuating back up again and down, while we welcorrtE! !~_hat, Mr·. ~>peaker·, tAJc:• ar·e at: such a high level you have to wonder if this Ls exactly what they are shooting for, if that: i.s exactly ·t--_ he t.1Jd y t: hey tAli::l n 1-: "L t .. You have to wonder if the drive is s t:: J. J.J. t h C:! r· E:' • M r· . ::> p E~ d k e r· • to deal w:ith the these probJ .ems out: Uw r· r~ .

A n d I: h c-:! y iH' r~ rn r'l j o r· . l 1-. i. s time {~_hat Uds government becanw s n r· -i o 1 1 ~:; ;~1 b o 11 i: · i. i: .:-1 n d d i-: hm1 p l.: e d 1--o deal wit . h the pr·oblerns out ther·e . MR. fUREY : ll,::ttH:! no l: could bE! no Hlon~. ~'IR. 1<. f1YI..WARD: Yes, havE:' not could be no more. Thf:!r'f'! C Otflfc~ ~; d time when people have to say and I think a lot: of No. 6l R 3 4-6 1

!. people out there are now Ud n k i. n g . The y •H' e~ Ud n k j n g 'J u t' y hen· d a n d t hE:~ y a r E! s a y :i n g , y o u knot~J, l~lhr'lt ho:l'H' t~Ju r'~'·::tlly a c c: o ru p 1 :i s h E:! d ? WE:' h a u E! s om cc> •:l y r' ~~::!men l". •; hot' lc~ dl'lrl [··. h lc' t' 1-:' . 1/Jc- h Cl V E~ cA f E:• l~l t h j 1"1 g S .

Rul: I~H~ hdlH~ sHnn Lhr~ :~conorny j11sl. bEe com f! lHIIn a v E~ J ] E:~ d j n t hi s P r· o v :inc e 1: o 1:: h t' p o ~i. n l··. , l i b~ r s d i. d , M t' . ;:;pE'!ctkE'!J'·, IAJheJ"E:~ just hAlO year·s ago 1~1<'! l~lHt't,' cap ··"Ln ·hdnd l:o 0"1--.l:i'll~li:l ~;ayJng, 'flf.l:il us out, giVf! us a b r' lc' f.'l k I IAH~ d ~~ s l'! r' v ("! $ p (! c :L d l. con~dder'at'ion. • And we do desE~rvE:~ t h ·i. s s p Co' c i d l. c o n s t d E~ r' <:t [-. -i_ o n . T h a t. :i s f i n e .

B u t , f r' om IJJ h a t y o u r E! ad and what you see, it is like everything is hunky-dory and we a r <-:! off and r' u n rl'i. n 9 and t. h 'i. n g s at' P wonderful. We]], things are not wonderful, Mr . Speaker, and the recent agr'eE~rnent. signed on the r'ailway, I h a v E~ t·. o t. E~ J 1 y o u , i. s n o t·. g o :i. n g L o be thE! IAlay Lo fu·lur·e economic pY'OSF>EH'i.l.y. l j11:;L IW'Inl: i"·o l:ouch on t h e1 t for· one rrd nut e . I u1a n t. 1: o r' ('! i''l d !; o r11 e L h .i. n 9 ~w t' e •Hl cl T 1~ri. -1 l , ..

E~ad ·hJJo t.h::ing~; and 'l.h~~Y bot .h s o u n cl 1-.1-w s r.un r-) . 11 T t' d n s p or'"\-·.;., 1-. :L n n p t' ·i or' i I: y o f t-.i'w i-.19r'E'E~rllerd. of GovernmE~nt of N (! IAJ f n u n d J. •:'' n d i'l n d I . a b t' •'l d o t' · i. ~; <:l l"P · SUI"fc.'.lc:ing and a r'E:'construct.ton of Ol.lt' h:i.ghlAidYS' rh(! Pt'OlJJtlClc' :.ubrn:itted a comprehensjvE:~ proposal F o t' j o t n t-. f u n d ·i. n 9 o f s (,~ v f'! t' i:ll h:i ghtAJay pr'oj ect.s to the fedE:~ral gov<c>r'nlllenl: i.n FHbr'uary 198'1 -.

While we had hoped to sjgn a h.i9hlAklY • s agr'eHmc->.nt:. as pat't-. of iJH~ FRDA Agreement, we were not successful. Thi.s proposal covers three systems, the Trans-Canada H:ighiAli:'lY, UH>. Tr'ans ··l..abr'ador Highwe1y, and the network of secondrH'Y h'i.ghlAii:lYS. 1 Mr'. Spedker, Hd s document j s a 1.31J.6?. June-:! /./., 1.9BB VoJ. X I. discussion paper on major b"i1d!":f'!t'.-~l i.s~;ue~; bf:~bAJf:!en C<Uli:~da and Newfoundland put forward by lol-11,' h on . loi"w P t' r,~ rni. ~:! t' of t·. he P r· o v j n CE:~ , M r' . R r' j a n P e c k f o t' d , j n ~:;I'! p I: ~-~ l n b t'! t' , l 9 B •l .

Four year's ago a b:ilat.er·aJ. issue ·j n t·.h i.!; Pr'nv·i nt:~~ IAJ.:'\•; l.o 9('! t-. 1-.hr·E~e agreements to deal with the h j y ~HMd y s o f !: hI'! P r' o \J 'i. n c f>. . T h a 1-: was :in 1984. This was an i. n 'i. ·t·. :i. d ·1 ... :i. lJ f~ t l1 c:~ 1". 1 ... h ·i. s 9 o v ~>. r' n 1 n E:! n t was ce1rrying out. NotAl, this :is an agr·E~ernE:!ni· . For' our' h.LghtAI<'lYS thE:>y were searching for from the M 1.11 r' one y (; o v (~ r n rn l"! n 1·: -L n S E! p t. (! rn b <"! r of 1984. I want to read to you the document t: h c~ t.

IAlcl s s :i g n P d i. n } he l. a s t. co u p 1 e of days. 'The fifteen year package i.ncluc:lr~s $/l.OI:'> mill i.on for' improvements to the Trans-Canada H:i .ghiJJ~Y, i'lno ther' $23 5 mi.1l. 'io n For' regi.onaJ trunk roads, $75 million For· labour r.H1ju st:J nerll ~; $1S rni.llion for comrnuni'ly adjustment; $8.1 lfli.ll .. i.on thr~ por'l':s; and $6::>..S miJ.Ji.on to E:~nrjch the exjst.i.ng FI~D~ d9Y'l: 'f~llll'!n1- .. I ~)o l:h''! l.ht't~<'! l:hin9s i:hcc'Y i':lt'E'!

Jooking for in 1984 without giving tJp I:l-w t'i·d lt~kl.Y, i:hlc' 1-:hr'r"!('! +:hi.ngs they werE:' looking for are rjght hHt'c,~ ·i.n t:h·i .:; doctJHif:'nl: 'i.n l98'~ and are thE:' same three things they hc: ·1lJC! announced. Th~~IJ dt'f:! so happy! This is our deal! The t' d .. j l.IJ.J ,·~ y j S 9 0 -j_ n 9 l.: 0 b f~ S h 1.1 t d 0 IAl rl within three months and we have fi .r1t:·1ll.y gol:lf~n what. t;.H-'! IAIE!re looking for four years ago. We were not Ci:'ll'l hav~~ OUT' saying that. then saying then r' a ·.i. 1tAI a y . W co~ lAH:H' e thE!n.

We were you not not 9 i v i. n g u p o u t' c o n s L i t. u t i. o n a 1 r i. g h t to have the transportation in this Pr'ov i.ncf:' rn;:,,-i.nt.a 'i.ned. This is for public consumption, "A i'-Jo. 61 . :n l~6 2

niscussion Paper on Major BiJateral Issues, Canctda and NelA.JfoundJand. 11 Anybody who wants Lu hav1-~ a copy can havt:' a copy of j t·. J lAJOuld ask them ·to rE:~ad it. bE:~ c a 11 s <:' IAlh ~:Hl you r· E:~ ad i. i·: • 1: he l.IAJO things are so similar, it shocks you. MR. SPEAKER (Gr~:!E?.rd._Q..Cll : Order, please! Th<-?. hon . mEnnbE!r 1 s L ·i.rnc,~ 'i.s up . SOME HON. MfMBERS: . - S y l ,,, '" v e ! B y l. f~ d v r:! ! M f~ . K . ()'(I _ W () R D : M I" . ~:; p E> c:~ k €·! r· • T had ~; <) m u c h n 1 o l" E:~ t· o s.:~y.

AnytAI·-·1Y, ·in con1 :lt1s.-Loi1, r. 1ujll heAVE ·! !;oniE~ constr·uc1 :ivE~ S'-199e: ; 1:: ; nex L I)JI ~Hk t:o Tlldi<l- '! l.o t-.h ·i ·; gov€~l ''rtlTlPI'd on son1e -.i.n:it:lat-.i.ves i)Jh.i. ch ::;hotl1d br! Ldknn l·.o dr~.~l. I;J 'i.l ·.h -Hw u n E! m p 1 o y nH '! I' I t- p r· o b J. EHn j n t h -.1 s P r· o v :i. n c C! . l hank yo lj • 1'-h ' . ~) ~H~ d k e r· . MR. MATTHEWS: Mr . Speaker . MR. SPEAKER : The hon. the Minister of Career ~evelopment and Advanced Studies . MR. MATTHEWS : Thank you, Mr. Speaker .

I am pleased to have the privilege t: o r e s p o n d ;;~ n d d :i. s c u s s t h :i. s v E~ r· y important resolution put forward by 1-:. he ho n. H1 P rn~:~mbr'!t' for· Stephenville.

I would like to say "'t -l: h (:~ o u 1: s <,~ t: 1: h .:'1 t h ~~ h •·1 s b I'! r:• n f <H: t u a J 1 y :inc o I" I'' E! c t on a n urn be r· of s t·.d l: elfin n 1: ~; h (,, ~h-1 ·; llli-1 d ~-:~ l: h·L ~; <·cl ·1 E' r n o o n • a n d J Ud n k h E' h a s s o r"t or dr:knoi)Jlt~dg: :!d l:h.:~L . 1 l:n 1)11('' t~JdY, 1 hE:~ says. 'lhE:~ unE~rnpl oyrnent r· d 1: P lvh go rH'! 1.1 p • 1 d. n d 1: h r:! n h 1:' !;i!lys dt : lhE:~ E:!l'ld, 'WeJJ, you :.hould nol bE: ' r-)xci .l:nd .:~bout . :it-. goi .ng clot)Jn 1.3463 June 22, 1988 Vol XL somewhat: . ' I~Jd.Y s I ·i.l·:. is dolAin.

It cannot t:d H w r· up bE• CH' both it. .is In beginning this debatE· this aft. E'! r· noon For· ·Uri s s :i cl E! • I a rn v e r· y pleased to say that the proper 1: r· ,,~ n d h a s b r,~ ~-~ n ,_,. s 1-. ~1 b 1.--L s h <~ d i. n t: he Provi.nce over the J.ast couple of y ~~ a r· s , p d r· t: ·t c 1.1 J a r· l y IAri . '1-: h .i n t h e last tu..Jelve months or so, and that IAJe do st :!<'! a dobJniJ.Ja.r·d tr·ond IAJh:i.ch is very, very important.

The hon. gE!ntJ.eman s-1-:.arts off h:is t't=!sol.ul:"i.on by s~·1y i ng, 11 WHFRFAS l·.hE! unemployment problem in N I·'!!~ I r o 1 1 n d l .:1 n d d n cl I. a b r· ad or· h ;:~ s bE:~cornE~ pl "ogr·ess:iveJy u..JorsE:'. 11 That · i :; f ,·.1 c 1--1 1 .:·1 ll ':J :i. n c o r· r· E~ c 1:: .

Fmp:.loyn1en -L :in the Province has ·i. n ( r· e i'l s 1,~ d by /. . [3 p f'! r· c :~ n 1: • <:·1 9 1:" j_ n sor11e 10,000 jobs on a rnonthJy •·wer ·•·1g1,~ bd:; ·i :; . 'l:n 1.98'7. dS IAJas alludE>.d to by i.:he mernbE~r for Por·t. •'1 1 1 P o r· 1: 1~1 fH '! n ~w r· o s c-:• o n i-l p o i_ n ~~- of o r· d e r , t he u n em p 1 o y rue n t . r a t E:' d r· o p p :~ d b y l . ;1- p ~~ r· c H n t. • t h P. 1argest absolute drop by any p r· o v i n r: :~ ~i. n ~: he c o u n t: r· y . Now, :in starting out, Mr .

SpeakE!r, 1 E'! ·t-. 111 e say t. hat no o rw j ~; ~; dying • parU.cular'ly this rninjstE!r has not sa .i.cl and IAJ-i.J.l nol-. sdy, that: l::he unemployment rate in Ud.s Pr·ovincE! 'i.s not orw for· concer·n. because -:i.t certainJ.y is and we are very cogni.l.anl ·: of t.hat.. But: lAJt;! do see some very positive tr·ends, and IAJe a r· E~ 9 o ·i n g l ... o con 1 ... _;_ n u e IAI'.'i l:. h our· jnitiatives which we feel very s t: t' o n g l. y h i·1lJ c,~ be P n a f d c l ... o r· ·L n t: h t"! -t r' E:~ n d that. WE~ have s e E:Hl over the l. .:-1 :; [-. -1--.IAII'! l_lH~ () t' C! ·:i_ g hi ·.

E~ en HIO l'l t: h S . r h lc' 0 I: h ('! t' t: h ·i. n g I t·hat :in thE~ labour o F 1: o u r· s e • i. s f o r· c <~ d at a for r~ i·1 y o r 1 9 B a • ~~~ h · i c h ·i. :; t-:. h 10! J. as I~ statistics we have av<.·d lab] E'! to I .I ~; I 0 II r· I. I I'll'! lfl p 1. 0 y lfH:Hl I: r·a h :' -j s d OIAII'l by 2.9 PE:'r cent. from May of 198'7. ~)!) i.n 1-.lm ,' l. lJ (·) months, IAJhC '!rl you No. 61 R3463

cotnpar·e May of 1. 988 to Mdy of 1987, the decline j s 2. 9 pE!r ceni: IJ.J h i c h , T i·: h -i. n k "i. n a. n y o n P 1 s opoirr.io11, l.I.Jhether· :in Nt'l.~lfoundJand d n cl I . db r· ,,, do r· or· d n y 1~1 he r· t-:' c,~ 1 !; e :"i. n t h t s c o u n t: r· y , :i s c P r i: a :i n J y !:~ ·i. g ni. F·i. c ,,, n 1:.

Thn o l.h(c!t ' l":.hi ng T tJ.IOIIl d l·i kt,~ lo say to the han. the mPmbPr for ~3 -1: P ph~~ n u ·i.l. l ,,, ·i. :; ·i i- I h u lHIPmpJ oyfiiE>Jd !'·alE~ got~s up by 1 or /. pnt' cent U1dl c~H·t .• ·'l·i.nJ.y rn;:~lU,'t'!;, a n d oi. f :i t d r· o p s by 1 en· 2 p E:' r· cenl:, 1:1'1.:-lL rn<·ll :l:~:n·!; i:1S IJ.JPll. Th:~ unPmpJ oymen"l r·ah:! :is a matter· of gr·ee1 t·. concc,~r·n 1..1.1l·wn i.l-. gor:·s upwards. Rut it is not to be ouE~r ·l.ook(;!d l.l.lhc,~n il· dc,~cl.i.ne~;.

T would think all han. members in t: h t s H 0 u s (c' rH' f:' d (~ s .i. r· () u s 0 f h a v -L n g the:~ urwmployment: rate ".in this Pr·ou i. n c f~ dec 1 i. nr~, c:l nd I lJ.IOUl.cl l. .i k (,~ to say to him thai: it really lfli:'l t: (:·. (;! t' S ;;~ S WE~ 11. IA!h en J. I: cJ Y' 0 p S .

The second clause of his r· e s o] u L:i on s a y s : 11 W HER FA S the populaL .i.on of r'tH'i-11 NE~1..~.1foundland and l.abr·ador has bE:~E!I'l dE:'Cl:in:ing, a n d '!' l s o r,, c o no 1 n .i. c a c i·. ·.i. ~J .:i. i · 1J h r:-1 s dE~cJ:i.nt:'d. 11 The b:iggest r·~~ason, of c o u t' s c~ , for ' HH:! p o p 11l. a L ·i o n t-. t' f'! n d :.1 n H1 P P r· o u :i 11 c E:~ has bE:' en the ch.:-1ngC::' ·in b-Lr ·l·.h t'i:ll:e i.n 1·.1-J,,, PI" o u .i n c e . l w:i J J c E:~ I" t c:.d n 1 1J ad rrr.i "1.

UJdl". ther·,-~ h;-w,,' l:)(,~('!i"l tJIJJnbc~r·:; 1)F pE-•ople lE!ctU:i ng t:hE:~ Pr·ou:i nee for U .:-1 t' :.i.

I) I J S t' {~ .:-\ S I) 1"1 S , .:1 l"l d , 0 f" t: 0 II t' S C! , thEq ~p hc:wE?. bE:!en people corn:i ng :in-to {-: h (~ p r· I)\) i n c :~· r'l s IJ.J(o~ 1. 1 . Ill I I. d :; long c-.1s T can remember -that has b c,, c-Hl 1:: h e c a s f:~ , a n d p f~ o p l (,~ l i. 1; :i n g on the UE~ry street tA!her·E~ I l.I.Jas bor·n and rr:-lJs,~d l.E~Ft--. to go Lo Tor·onto or E:~l sewher·e for l.l.lhat.E•UE•r t' e a s o n s , o n e o F t h EWI be i. n g I~ o f "i. n rl ernpJoymE:~nt.

That was back Lllh(~n I IJ.Id s born, or· ;:'1. t l. c->.a s 1: lJ.II'W n I IA!i'" s o] d enough to r·emE!mber, somewherE! a r· o u n cl t. h ~~ l 9 S 0 s . That. h ;;, s bE! EHJ a trend ".in this Province which no admtn is l:r·at 'i.on, c->."i l:ht~t· ForrrHH' or· I 3464 J lHH~ 2 2 , 1 9 8 8 Vo1 XI p r· c,~ s E~ n t , h a s b E'! e n p a r i··. j_ c 1 1 l. a r· l. y proud of and boasts about. It :i.s s o 111 P t: h i. n g IJ.H~ p t' 1::~ f f~ r· n o 1-. t. o h a u e happen, but, again, tJ.Ie havE~ to Fdcc~ t.hc,, t'P<'l1:i.t.·i.: :!•; and Lh('! f.:~cl-s of life, that :it does happen.

The b :i g g E:! s ·(·· c h a n g e , o r· t. h Co' b :i g g e s t r"' c t·. or· i n pop 11- .1 d L i. on ·i. n t.: h ·i. s Pr·ou:incE~ :is becausE~ of i.hE! changE:~ ·in Olll ' bi .r·l:h t'diY Uwough btr ·l··.h control and other things . As lAiell, hE! goes on to say that {~conornic dct:i .v·i.i:y has dE=!c:llrlf~d. There arE! somE! UE!ry important r:~ c: o n o rn ·i. c: ·i. n d "i. c r"~ i: o r· s 1..11 h "i. c h T t h ""i. n k i~.hE~ hon. gE~ntJ.eman is probably r::ll.l.liU' (~ 0 F J (~ v (~ n 1: h 0 ugh ~w rna y n 0 t admit it .

In 1986, the rE!a] domE.>st·. i.e FH'OdtJct :i.ncr·t~i~Sl:~d by some 2.6 per cent and employment i n c r' (,~ a s E! d b y 2 . 8 p l'! r· c E~ n t. . A s I indcated ear] ier, in 1987 the une1npl.oylflE:Hll~ r·a ~:E~ dr ·opped by 1. 4- per cent, the largest . dr·op by any P r· o u "i. n c E~ i. n 1-: h <->. co 1 J n t r' y , p c,~ t' son i.'ll income was up by 7.4 per cent, r· E~ t"' :i l t: t' "' d (~ l..lld s u p b y l l . 3 p cc! r· c e n t , 1.11 h i c h , of c o u r s E! , l.I.Ja s a v e r y b·"i.g factor· ·in i·.he r·pcJuct"ion in the,, deficit the hon.

M:inister of r· i. tl ... , n c: (·~ E:~ar·l Jer· l~k' ~; a b 1 r~ I: o a n n o u n c t' l::h:is year . Thai: :i.s c:c'~t·l •d ·i_n.ly '" ~; ·i.<Jn·i .F:i.cdn ·i··. ··i.nc:J··i cai·:or· t hat o tH' E' c o nom y l.l.l as o 11 a n u p s IAri n g i-or· 1.91l7, .~nd Lhl'! pt'f:!loi.lll""inary outlook for· 1988, for th:is f:isca] y c~ .u· , I: h ~~ F i. t" > I: q 1.1 r.1 r· l: c,~ t' , :"i. s e u l~ n more encourag:ing than last yE:'ar . ~:;o UJ(,, i·_t'l,~nd ·i!; c:onl".""inui.ng, ancl 1 am sure the Minister of Finance tJ.ri.ll b(~ s.:-1y:ing wor 'E:! i:'lboul: that before too much longer.

Looki.ng r:'lt ol".hf'!t' Hconorn·"i.c 'i.nd ici:lt.or's, m:i neral explorat:ion doubled from $ l I. . 8 1rri.l.J. ion oi n 1 9 8 6 to $2 6 . 3 million last year, cr·E·ating somE! 10,000 jobs. T h 1:~ h o n . m ,.~ rn b e r f o r· S t. e p h e n v "i ll c~! mE!ntioned the railway deaL which, of" C 0 lH' s c.:~ , h d S b C"~ en Up p C->. t'ITlO St. "i.n No. 61 R34 -64 -

t'Vf: ~yonc~ 1 ~; mind l·.hes<:: ~ l.a~;t : l:hr 'c.:'e or · rotH' dt:~ys par'i j cul i:tr']y. What you hdve l·:o t'f~rllmrtbf:~t· .i.!; l:hi.·lL $BOO rrrjJ]-.ion for· a dE:~a] on the r·a.i.ltJ.Jay, t o 9 o :i. n l: o i rn p t' u lJ c,' n 1 ,,~ n l~ ~; a n d up9rad:i ng of the r·oad 1··. r· a n s p o t' I~ a 1:- i. o n s y s t: C'~ m ..-i. n 1·: hi. s Provinc e , j s certainly a ve~ry p o s i. t·. i. v ~'~ ~'~ c o n o rr d c J n d i. c a hn· , a n d mor·eso IAihE~n you look at. the c->. r n p l. o y f~ E:~ s o f T e r't' a r r· a n s p o r t. tJ.J h o ar~~ bE:dng cLispJace~d.

Is is too b d d t h a L i. t i. s h ;~ p p l->. n oi. n 9 , b u t.- I Ud n k IAI h a t j s p o s j t i v e , i f t hE~ r e~ ·i. s a n y p o s i. t ·i. ~~ r:~ s 'i. d r~ 1·. o t·. he r:wrployee d:lsr·upttorr r:~nd of :it, is Lhat: the i.ncorno oF l··.hr:~se ernployc-~f~s t.~ri ll b e p r· E:' t t y tAlE~ 11 p r o t. f~ c t. e d s o thr:1l ·: the corrrrnun ·it-. ·ic ~s r~JhcH 'f:~ l·J1r:~y I"('~S:i df~ IAI:i J] h<'HIE~ i hj S income of 1. he '" 1r1 p J o y r~ r'~ s , '~' h ·i c: h t~r i ll b c:~ tJ c,~ t' y p o ~: i l i v C-:! f o r· ·l h E:' t. a x b r.l s e o f t. h E:' COJrll'niii'J'i.l :.jf"S .:-lrlci l:h e HCOI'lOIIIY of- lhe c<,nrrrrurr: ·it ·jE~s. :rn iiddjt-:iorr ·to that., 1-. h c:~ t' f'~ t,~,-i ll b •:~ •; Ulll f~ B 00 job ~; pot' y E~ iH' c: I" ~-~ a ·t-E:~ d :i rr l h ~,~ P r· o v :i n c E~ a s a r· r:~s1 .1l i: of t:h(~ dc:ici ·i i: i on;,,l r·o.:·ld :i n 1 p I" o v r::~ m E'~ n t s t h r· o u g h o u ·t- t h e Pr'OlJi .nc~' . ~)o T Hl'i.nk l:hose rH 'r~~ i h~~ th:i.ng~: you havE~ to combine: T h r-~ i. n c u II If~ of 1·.: h c:~ f~ lfl pl. o y H..:~ s ··j s be:i ng pro ·! ect.ed, and, as LAJe11, t:her·~=~ IAJ .i.ll. be an a.dd.i l:.:-i onr:~l.

BOO jobs created . While emotionally ITIO S t. of US, [ th'Lnk, F c->. ~<J . SO!fH ~I~Jhat . for the loss of the~ ra:i1way, bc'!causc,, or :i. l-.s h·ist:or·y dnd t:hc'! E:'mot .:i.on at:tached to it, it is a v c-:o r· y p o s i. t. L v ~'~ (->. c lHI om ·i. c i. n d i. c a l-. o t' for the Province, which I think t.1.J i. ll. s h ow b r-~ n !:'! f -i. t: s o v e r· t: h f'! n r'! x t. t e n or f if t. e e n y ears , tAli thou t cp1e st.Lon .

T n h ·i. !> claus f~ 3 the h on . g ~~ n i.l Enna n says, 11 Wh~~r·t ~as Newfound1and and I . a b t' r.H:I 0 t' h d S by f .:H' 1::1-w l~llH' S l: l"c ,~cor·d for· pr:l va-t E:' SE~ctor job c r· ~~ r:1 t-. ·i. on . 11 T l-. h i. n k 1··. h ~~ h on . gE~nt ·JE-•nrr .Hl, <~ga:in, :is ver·y much dlAkl t' r:~ [: h ;-.1 1: ·1 d ~; 1: ':) !c' .:'1 t' , i: h t' 0 I I tJ h 0 II t' pl":ivah~ ~:c-~ctor · E-~mpl o ywerl'l pr·ogr·am, I~Jhc:~t'(! I~J(~ j nj c'•c : (·eel $1) rn·i.ll. i.Oil i't'OIIl 1.. ]lj .fi ):; J u n E-! 2 2 , l 9 8 8 Vol.

XI. 1: h t'~ p Y' 0 V . i tl c i. r'll y 0 tJ r:~ r' n Ulf ~ rl I: C 0 HI b ·i_ n c-:• d IAJit.h $S rrd J lj on from thE~ pd vate !; f'! C 1-.0 t' , f 0 t' $ l 0 lfl" i.l.l i. 0 rl , IAIE' crE!ate~d somE! 2000 jobs in the pr· 'i, v, :-ll ~n S ~>.C'I:Ot' IAJh:i ch IAJdS VHr'y, very encouraging.

This year we .i.ncr'f'!d ~,E: ~d Otjr ' arnoun1 ·. oF rnonc'!':J to the private sector employment pr'ogr't:\111 Lo $7.'' 1ni.l.J.i.on, an incrE:~ase of $2 rnilJion, and so far t: h i s y e r:1 t' , t. o d a t P. , t h (->. r e h a v e been 2323 jobs created with the p r' -i. v <:'l. t ~~ s c,~ c i··. or' , a n d t~H~ at' e hop .1. n g that we will rea] i.ze our goal of 1000 jobs bc ,~fon• 1-.h -Ls pr '09Y '<~m expj r·e~ s .

Aga:in, you might say that is not v'~r 'y ~; 'i. gn.i .F.i.c d ni ·., bul: :r. t:hi.nk 'i.t . is a very signi.fJcant indicator. f l: h ·i_ n k 1·: h "' L p t' o <.3 r· d m ~lr:'l. !; b c:~ e n 1 ... dd~ ~ly a c ct 'ph~d by the pr·jvate ~;nr ;Lor·. ~)orne~ 1.800 appl.:i .cal:ions h a u ~~ b c-:~ ~Hl r· E~ c E:' i v E-~ d t o d a t: E~ a n d we fllnclf: ~d ~; oHH·~IAJh r:~ r·e in l.hc :! order ' of 1.3 00, c r· t~ at :in g , a g a :i. n , 2 3 2 3 j o b s .

I do not think anyone can sJ ough l: h a t-. o F F d s b c'~ · i. n 9 i. n s -i. 9 n -i. r ·i. c .:1 n t: , and say ·that tAlE~ ar·~' not hav:i ng an :i HIp d C 1: 0 n p t' ·j IJ i.'l. U~ S r~ C: t 0 r j 0 b creation :in the ProvinCE:~. As I~JC~ 1.1 . ' ULi . s y e rH' ' IAH~ h d v (' a n ("~LAJ graduate program and an occupal: i.oni-ll. 'i. nt~'gr·c:~t: ·i.on pr ·ogr·am for women, where, aga-.in, we are 9 E~ t.

L :-i. n 9 .i. n v o 1 v e d t ... r-L i·: h l: h c,~ p r· i. v a t. e sector on a fifty -fifty basis. li o p c,~ F ul .J. y , t h a 1-: p t' o gram 1.1.Ji l J. be kicking in very shortJy to E~rnpJ.oy anol :hE~r fPtAI hundr•cc~cl pc->.opl.c:! ·.in the Province . The hon. SdYS 1 r·el ations gentleman "WHff~ F AS climate j n in clause 4 the labour Newfoundland h d ~; b ,,~ c

I) illfc' p t' () g r· (~ s s i v n 1. y 1~10 r· s e fr·orn thus keeping investors !;(,~ 1-.l·.:i.ng llfl n: :H~J Cc'ni:r ~rpr' i. !;c ~S :.i.n i::hlc' ProvincE~.~~ We]], :if you tr·ack I~Jh;·li . hi:\!) hr~ppenc,~c:l l~ri.l-.h IAJOY'k s·t-oppagE:!S :in the Pr ·ov:ince, jf you g o b r'l c: k L o L h ''~ y ~~ .:-l r· !; 1. 9 8 1 i'l n d l 9 IP No . 61 R 3 4-6 5

and tr·ack it up through, you lAJ.i.l.l. find that last year the number of work stoppages wcts down substant:iaJly from the years 1985 i'1nd l986 t·'!Vto!n, and J·:h·i~; y<:~C: 'tt' t.h(! to·t

a) nurnbN' of days losi:: is quite lot~J as colnpa.t'(C!d t.o oi:.her· yc~ar·s. J l: "i. s 0 n (' U·lJ. n 9 1:

I) h r:·1 IH :! i-1 c l 1'1 1.1 s H ·.ir1 i'A r·psolu ·l:i.on lAJh:ich says ·that: J·.hr:~ ~;-il:ltal:·i.on ·i.s 9t~l :t::i .ng tMor ·~;t), bu l'. lAJhPn you do a I"Pv:i .E:!lAJ and an •'1 n d l. y <; 'i. s () r I~J h •'1 l·. h 0'1 ~; r· (C! ·"' ll y hrlF1pened 1.u.iih work stoppclgE:~s jn l".IH~ P r' o IJ -L n c L'! , y n 11 ·;

l) t'! U·w r· :'! h d s bE:! E! 1'1 a n i'l c -l.l.t i:il. d E:' c I" E-~ a s E:' o v e r· t: he l. d s l· n 1.1 rn b o r· o f y '~ 1-1 t' s , p .:-1 t' 1. · i. c 1 1 l. .::t r· l y ·.i.r1 i he year· 1 98'7 . Tn clause 5 the hon. g~::~ntlE~man says: 11 (lND WHERF(l~) dur· ·ing J·:his Adrnin:istJ"at:ion 1s YE!ar·s s:i.nce 1979 thco! n1 .1IT1hE'!t' of r·ecl.pteni-·.s of unemployment insurance has grown by Jnor'E :!

J-:han hcll.f. 11 WE!ll., now, there is no question that the number of recipients has grown, but il has certainly not beE!n cl.os~~ t.o 1 by rnor·e t.han by half 1 • Of course, e111 ind:ication of whe1t i <> happen ·i. n g h ~'! r· o i. s ·J--. h a 1~ 1·: h ~'! r· r,~ .-i. s a str-ong bul : SE>.asona1 economy.

Of co'·' r· s c~ , t)H~ l o o !< d L t: h n Tlli-1 j or· :industd .es of our· Province, the f ·i. s h n r· y , 1--. h t:' f n t' C:! s 1·. t' y <:'t n d s n o n , l~J h:i c h a r· E:' very s E>. as on a 1 tndusl:r· 'i.ns. 'J"hny hr:·1VI'! ber :~n ~;J ·r·ong ~; E~ as on ct 1 :J n d us ·l.J'' :1 e s and e con ow:i E:~ s , 1~1 h l:~ t' E:' i)J!c' h <:1 lJ 1-:' ~; lo! t! n rn o t' t! p C:! n p l. e C'!l'llployP.d on i'i seasonal bas:i.s.

WP. dll knOI.t.J I)Jh;'ll-. happc-)ns on1 :1'! 'l.lw LL ~;hE~ I" y c l. o s e s d OIAlrl for· thE:~ s t'!d s 0 n: p,~op "1. (:~ .:'It'(~ i:hf:~i'J la ·.i.rl 0 r-r dl'ld c:on~;equE~nt ·]y go on UTC. T-1-- js u n f or·1:u n.:-1 IJ! U1.:'1l: J-.he ~; f:! •H'f:~ no l: fuJl -ijrne jobs. Rut, of cour·se, t.hal-- . is l:hn season;: .,l .:l.l.y of +-.he,~ industry, e1nd that is 1~o.1hy lAJE! sE>.E:~ a n i. n c r· e a s e ·i. n L h i. s p a r· t i. c u J. r:1 r· ar'E>.a. Mr. Speake:~r. I r'c->.spond to the:~ just hon.

I. 34-66 June 22, 1988 lAJanted to ge->.nt :l.f:~Jnan 1 s Vo1 XL r·esol.u-t: 'i. on r:-1nd df:Hnonst.r·at.e:' sorn<"! inadequac:iE•s and inefficiencies in :i. t: , r'1 I'J cl , f:1 S ())(,>, l l. , () tJ ll :i. n (C! t. () h () n , ITIE!ITibE!rs that i.n a numbE!r of caSE!S he I)Jr-1 ~,; fa c: l". u ·'1·1 l y -;, n c: or· t' <->. c: t . As T said in the beginning, it is very, VlH'Y :i.111por·l·.:-1nt-. t:h•·11: lt.JC! h<'Wf>. seen i':l downwar·d tr·end in the unemployment t' d 1-. t'! · i n 1-. h i. ~; P t' o IJ i. n c: e .

T h l·'! r· !"! a r· f:' more Newfoundlanders and J .• :·lbt'<'ldnr· ·i.dn!; IMot·k·i .ng l:oddy ·i.n t:h~:' P J'· o v j n c E~ t-h a n e v e r· bE-' f o r· E-~ • R t g h t 1'101~1 dl:)l)lll : 1. '/9, 000 1\J(!I~JfOIII'ldl,HlcJr:•t'S are employed, J think. That is I: 11 1:' 1'1' i. g h !"! ~; 1·. 'i. [·. h d S e lJ::! Y' b r~ lHl . And, yes, as I adrn:itted when I !:H :~ lj r:Hl , !~)(,~ rH' l:~ C

l) n C CH ' I'll-~ cf r'1 bo U 1". 0 l.l r' unemployment r·ate. ~'lie hctve taken sotn::! VfH'Y Jmpor'l:anl: . .i.wi.J-."i.dl·:'i.vc,~s in employment opportunities in i::he P t' o v ·j n c ~-~ b 1J I)Jo r· k -i_ n g v t! r· y c l. o s E! l. y with the pr·ivate SE!ctor. As we11, of c; our· s ~'! , t.: hE>. r· '~ d r· e corn b -.in at i. on s which, in this Province of Nc-:<IAJfoundland, you have->. l:o look at. for what.: j t is, what it has been, and wi'H:H 'H 1..1U>. IJ.JiHll :. to go.

A lot of t:imes, u.d th trying to attract i. n cl u s l. r· y lo 1:: h ·i s P r· o v J n c C:' , t h <->. on1y real way to pull j t. off is for· UH-:> t' ~-~ t-o lw so nw k i. n d of a j oi.nt fundj ng ar·rangement between H11:1 p r· i. v •:\ 1: 0 s e d -. o t' , o r t h 8 particular industry and the pr·c >ui.nc: :i..?ll. gc)V8t'l 'llll ~H ll: of l:l'l f'~ day . w·i·J:hOIII: J:h.-11:, r"'t'. ~)pt'dkr~r·, a lot of t:imes you wou)d not attract ~,~nl-.l ,, r·pr·i_s, ·) di'ld ·indLJsl:r-y l:o t:hr~ Pr·ovince, and lhat- is the r(;'ason l-or· ·il:.

Yo11 hi-1l!l'! l:o Took dl: . l:·.hE=~ kind of tH:onomy, the Pr·ovince:~ lAJe hdlJ(;!, .:-1nd i:IH:' l'lli'lknup oF it-:, befor·e you become too critica1 of that k·ind of ~;·i. ·l:u.:-11 -.'i.on. rJJ r· . S p l:~ e\ k r>. r· , d s o n r~ rn E'! rn b E'! r· o f gover·nrnE!nt, as Minist.E!r of Carc"!er f)eiH>.l.opnH~nl : and ()dvancl :!d St.:udi.E!S, I am VE!ry encouraged, actual.Jy, by t h e J--. r· E~ n d "i. n g uJ f:' h d v E! s E! F.! n i. n l: h e Province over the ]ast twe1ve or eighteen months with regard t.o lhe No. 61 R3ll -66

tHH~IIIp l.o~nnnn 1: t'•'l h:~. I tm)lll cl j IJS 1: l.i.k~-:~ i:o concllidt:~ by ~;r-~y·.i.ng i.ho.·t- 1.1.Je arE:! very comrn:it ·'l'ed l. o c o n 1·. · i. n wi n g 1·. h a 1: t--. t' C:! n c:l . r: ,,~ri :l l bE:! VEH'Y inler·e~;tE:~d in seEdng t:he n t-:! x I S ;--_"' i ·. t s 1. i. c !; C d n .:1 d d R e pot ' L u n UnE~rnp]oyriiPnt and Frnp]oymE~nt trends in t.hc~' counl".ry, dnd ·i.n par·t:i .culiit' :in thjs Province, because, Mr.

S p c,~ d k C::H' , 1 a 1 n v EH' y , v EH' y c o n v i. n c t:! d that when the next report comes o u t. , t. h EH' f:! i s g o i n g 1:·. o b f~ c1 v t'! r· y , very significant decline in the unE~tnpl.oylnE:!nl". r·;::~Le ·in Nt~wfoundl.and and Labrador. Thank you very much. MR. SPFAKFR: The~~ hon. t:he rrH:!Ifll:)(!t' for· ~)-\:. Bru•be . SOMF HON . MFMRFRS : Hear, hear! · MR. FIJRFY: Mr. Speaker, J am glad i.o join Hd~; d~ :d:)i:1lc'! 011 U1·i .s VC:!t''Y ·irnpor·'l-..-u-tl. r·eso1ut ·i.(HI t.1.ri ·1 h r(·'~;pE:~cl ·1 o -t.he urwrnployrrHHlL r'.:-11-e l·ln 'ollghoiiL Lht~ PI" 0 ld I' I C P . T l -_j s t.

E:! n E! d c a I" E:! f u] ] y t o t he M-i rd . s 1: c-H' of Cat' t'! t-:! r· [) n v r,, l o plllt~ n I·_ ' s (Mt". Ma'l''l"hPws) rE~mar·ks with t'l~<;pc~'cl : 1-o 1--.h ··is pr·obJ.r-~1n. I 1-:hi.nk ·1 h(~~ urH:Hnployrnent pr·oblem comes r·i.ghl- undt-~r· 1-Jri~; mtni .shH' 1 S departmE~nt and it is his direct t' E:' S p () rl S i. b ·j ] .i. 1-. y t 0 d f~ cl} IAJi. \: h IAJ h d I"_ Js now, no doub-t about it, a c r i s j_ s t h t' o u g h o u t. I-_ h :i s P t' o v i. n c ~~ .

Mr. ~>peaker·, i.n magazine at lhat 1986, Maclean's time had on its covHr' our· Pr·c:Hni.er·, r.1nd not_ too many of us were very proud at that. 1-.'i.rne. ThP covE~r· of Maclean's rnagali .rH~ di·: l::hat Li .IIH~ sai.d 1 (\ P r· o vi n c E!

In D P spa j r , 1 and it was a v ('! r' y f u lJ. r:1 n c:l i: hot' o ugh "1 r· I: i c l t~ rnos ·t-]y deal:ing 1.1.ri .th the labour· f>r' o b l. !-WI s --i_ n l 9 8 (i , I:)' 1 1: .:-11. s o 1: d 1 k i. n g about ·l.he ~!conorny -Lht"oughout.-. thE~ P t' o u :i. n c e "'n d ,~, h d l- h"' ~; b H r-) n I. 34-6 '7 JUnE-! 2/ I 1988 Vol XI h;~ppt-~n ·i ng r!)l'' Lhi11: yH.~t· <:111d For· l98S and 1986. J s u g g e s -t t hat if Mac 1 e an • s d :i d i·HlO 1·. h n r· ~; to t' y , M t' . S p c~ r.1 k l;o r· , d n cl put t.he Pr·ernier on the cover· thE!Y c Ol.ild •:HJd I hI'~ \~JO t•d I ::n-. ·i.J .l.

I d nd -u-. l.I.Jou1d be very appropr·iat.E:~, 1 A pr·orJ:il'lC!o! s L·i.ll 'i.n dr~spd --i.t'. 1 The minister is ler:1ving, but r want hirn to know this: HE! blarnE!d a lot of the~' pr·oblems on Lhe population dE!CrE!ases. Is that I~Jhr.ll: h~'! sai.d, 1 ask my hon. colleagUE! for StE!phe~nvilJ e (Mr. K. r\ylt;.Ji-H'd), he said Hll'·r·e tJJas a dE!Crease in the populat.ion in b 'i.r' l·:hs. H ~~ should know that from ~)l:.::tl:i .~;l: ·ir;s CrU1dd. :~ 1 S OI~Jn figut'E'JS -t-here l.I.Jer·e 13,000 rnor·e b:i rths over· d r~ d 1·: h s -i_ n 1. 9 H '> , 1. 9 B 6 , l 9 H '7 a n d t h e fjr·st quarter of 1988.

He tJ.ri]J ,·-1 -1 :; n k i l !)I£) I ·i r h f:~ l () 0 k :; ·~ 1-.

L h f'! s -1 aU s t :i c s , there l;.la s a d ~: c r' ease i.n Uw pnf>~lli·d·. ·i.on of /I., ?00 ovEH' those sarne t.-.hr·r::~e Y~'ar's, 198 1), 1. 9 B 6 , 1. 9 H '7 .-,, n d <-1 l , '1-00 cl C'! c r· ~~a!; e i. n the population for the First q IJ d t' l·. !:' t' () f 1 9 B 8 ' ~)0, -i_r 'jOII i:1dd r:-1l.l. thOSE:! f-i.gur·es t.ogethE!r', the bjrth ratE:s, thE! dE~cr·easf~ ·i.n popul.:~t--i.on For· !::hose two periods, 1985, 1986, 1987 and Uw f i.t' s L q u a t' hH' o f l 9 B 8 , y o u IJJill see that 18,700 peop1e l.I.JorE! dr·i .VE!n out oF Hl'i.s Pr·ov-Lnce because of the performance of thE~ E:~ c o n o 111 y l 8 , 7 0 0 p ~'! o p 1 e , M r· .

Speaker. What does that mean in the last l".hree years? AN HON. MEMBER: Th.::tl: -i.s -Uw bolt:om J.i .ne. r-1R. FUREY : That j s the bottom ] :i 11E:' that. t~ll"! CiHl r·i . nd . No . 61 R 3 4-6 7

That means Newfoundlanders tha~. 6,000 and Labradorians e v E~ r y y ear' f o t' t hE~ l. a s 1: L h t' e f~ .YE:'ars lAJer'e driven away from hornE!. They hdd Lo p .. i.ck up and pr.\ck up and leave this Province forever. l s <~ y for' f?.V ~H' , M r' . !3 p C'! a kc~ t' , because it seems like this g o v H t' r11 n f:! n t: h d s l:w fHl ""i. n f o r' c-~ v ~H' f c:w [hE~ J a~;-[ SE:'Verd .. E:'Ptl or ei ghteE!n y Co' d r· s . T h 1::~ ::! con o 1 ny h r':1 s b ('! H n ·i n d nPga'l:ive i.ai]sp:i.n, Mr'. Speaker'. Tl·lC,!IJ hdl.lt~ I:H~CoHl p11rf·i .ng 1.1p on hopt'!, ·l h c y h iHI E! bE :!

E:! n p t.l f f :i n g u p o n pr'OlfliSt:!, 1:)111. ;dl. li-lt-:! plli"f::!t 'lj i.!; g eLi t1 g l o b n b u s U-. d IJ.J h E'r 1 i h Co' y h a v e L h to~ r o 1.1 t' '-" 9 t,' , r~ t' . :-) p :~ ,:, !u~ t' , l. o l] o l. o thE~ l.::i c->.uiE:'I'Ii'Hd ... covE~r·nor' and SE:!ek a IJ.Jt' ·i. L f () t' d l'll'!IJ.J lfliHld .:-1 Lt,, . SOME HOI\J . MEMB Fr~S: Hear', hE~ar! MR. FURFY: Mr. Speakf'!t', ,,..,hal· elsE~ d·icl JJ.Jt' ~;ee? We know that 18,600 NeiJ.Jfouncllandf~r·s and l.abr·aclor' i.ans were driven away by economic ctr·curnst·ancc'!S. WP knoiAJ that: l~.o bl,' fact. But JJ.Jhat . happened, Mr.

S p f~ a k F.! t' , t. o 1 .. h o s E~ t.o~J h o s 1 ... ayE~ d? I f y o u t r' a c k l-:1-w p o v e r' I y 1. i. n e , r-1 t' . SpeabH', b~~bi.Jeen just hAlO MarJtime p t' 0 v inc~~ s I l (~ 1-. II s s r:·1 lj i\1 (!IJ.J Rr'unsl ... dck and NE!IAJfoundland, if you lr'r::tck thf~ poVt.-)t'l.y J.·i .ne in 1.981., i ltE·! pE~r'r.eJ•l -agE! of farrd lies J :i vi ng b ~~ J <)IAJ 1-: h f:~ p

C) V Co' t' 1-. lj J i. J'l f:~ ·i. i'l 1 () g l -j i'l N<::!IAJ Rn.tt1swj ck t~as J 7. 6 pE!r cent- . of [··hn f,;uwi .l.·i co~!;. Tn Nt~l.ll Bt'l.ll'l!)IM 'i ck J 7. 6 pPr'CE.Hd 1~er·e J.j v:i ng bE·!] oJJ.J the pOVC'!r'l-.y linE! i.n 1.981. 1 COIIlf>dt'tHI l:o J 7 . Li p E~ 1n c E:! rd of thE~ f c::l m j J.·.i e s l. n N c·'!IAJ f o 1.1 nell i·Hl d l. -i_ v · i. n 9 b f:~ l Ol.ll Uw pOVEH' '[ 1j ] j I'IE:! :in ] 98]. So ] wt . LIS I: t' d c k ·i. 1: f o t' tho s <'! s ~~

c) t~! n y c,~ <::t r' s . Fr'OHI '19Bl t·o J.98B, Nf~IJ.J flr·unsl ... ri.ck dropped from 17 .6 per cent to 14 .4 per' Cf>.nl ... of 1-..ht,~ fami.l'i.~~s i.n 1-.haL province 1 i vJ ng bE!] oJJ.J the poverty 1...346B J lHlC'! 2 /. I l 9 8 8 Vol XI .. J.inP. So, 1.: h f~ r' <:~ IJ.Ja s a s .i. g n .. i. f -1. can 1-. dE! CreaSE! in the numbers of famiJ.ies line in Brunswick . l. ··j v .. i. n g the below the Province pov<H't.y of NE!JJ.J No,,~, , 1..11 h d 1·.: h a p p e n <;! d ·i. n 1-. h o s f'! s am E! intervening years, 1981 to 1988, l. o L h :0! f r'll n i. J. -i. f~ s o f N E>. 1..11 f o u nell c1 n d ?

ThPy went from 17.4 per cent, Mr. S p t·~ •'\ k lo' t' . D t d -i. l-. go cl OI~Jn? [) i. cl that statistic go down to show the E:' c:onotrllj lJ.Jd !) pt,'r'f Ot'lfl ·i. 1"19 pr'OPf~ t' l. y? No, l'-1r'. ~)~H~d k c,H'. r: I· t' o !> n 1-. o ? 1. . 7 p C'! r u~ n 1·: I a s j g rd f j cant inc r'E! a~; e u n d E:>r' 1:: he L·ilfiH pc-~r· ·i.od th ·is prH't-. ·i.culd.r' adrrdnist-r-at:ion IJ.Jas handJJng and '3 o v c:! t' n · i n g '1: h (~ 1,, c; o i 1 o rn y .

Y o u ,,.., o n cl t'! t' IAJha t happe nE•d l" o t. he 18, 600 JJ.Jho l. t' f L ·i_ n seat' c h of IJ.JO t' k . f3 u t. l. e 1~. us think about those farni1ies that s t. i:11J r~ d h c.~ r' ~~ a n c:l 1-: r' -; e d t: o t o u g h i. t out, that percentage of the f dtn'i.l i. c.~ s IJ.Jho t. r·i . <'!d l·:o thought. :i. t. out, Mr. Speaker, from 1981 to l 9 H 8 .

T h f~ p e r c c.~ n t: a g C'! ,,.., P n 1:: f r' o rn 17.4 per cent living below the p o v (~ r' L y J.· i. n ~~ , and i. n c t' (~as E=• d t. o 21.2 per cent who are now cur'r'(~ntl.y l:iv·i.ng bE>.lotAJ t:hP po~IE'!r't.y line, as outlined by the member f o t' Po r' 1: d e C t' d v f~ ( M t' . F f for' d ) , t.he Minister of Social Services ( M r· . l o b J n ) , '"' h o go L u p l :i. !<l:! a pre-recorded message and said, 1 011r' b1.1dgr~L hd!; i.nct'HdSt~d l76 pE!r' cent since we got.. into poJJ.JE'r', 1 as Uloltgh thd 1·.

IAH:!t'l:' sornwl:h 'Lng t:n bt=:' proud of, a.s though you should bE' pr'nltcl o'lbnll 1. .inct'(~d~; ·i.n9 i.he soc:-i .dl servjces budget! You should bE! ashr.liTIE~d i.hclt people '"r'c,~ dr·Jvl ,'l'l, Mr' . ::>pndkr -~t' 1 l:o +-.hal~. 1r.lSt. r'ecourse, t..o i:hat l.ast t't,~ fugt ,~, l:o l.:h.:-1 L last t'f~SOt'l'. . You should be ashamed the E:'conomy is pt·'!t'for•tn.ing so bddly 1-:hdt p<'!Ople have to scurry to social servjces . NoJJ.J, that is a VE!ry tE!lling 1\Jo . o 1 R3 468

statistic, Mr. Speaker. In New Br·un~;l~rick Lht-:1 pr,~t'CE•nl .• :·\ljC! or fi'ITII:i J .i.C-'~> l:i uj ng IJE:1] OlAI thE:~ pOUE:'r ·ty J. ·i n r,, d t:! c t' r,' <:1 ·; t~ cl i n N ~' 1~1f o u n d J CJ. n d t h E:! s :~ lJ r-:! n y r,~ ;:1 r· ~; ; pE:!r'centage F d rn·i.l. ·i. r,' s (: p 1'1 t . ·i. n c r· e. :-~.!) H d b y l!. ·in of po r· T h ~~ IHH 1 . rm~ m bE! r· for· Po r· t au Po r· t (Mr·. Hod<h!t') knotJJ~; I~Jhdl: :r: dtn ·lcdldng aboul. HE:~ u..d11 r·r:~calJ IAI ~H~! n r r· i'Hl h ·i s c ij\ m pi:\ .i. g n i. n l 9 B ?. I and a good campaign manager I lAidS .

HOIAJ many L .i.1n~:~s cltd IAH~ d:iscuss it driving through those cl i. f f c.:> r· e n t. c o 1 nrn 11 n i t ·i. <.:> s o F F 1:~ l i. x CovE:~ and St. George 1 s? H:is hE:~art was breaking then for all those families underneath the poverty 1-.irH:~ when ~H:! lAJds a 1.-Lber•;;,l. flut what were hts answers as a Tory? 1 T go ·l Fver·y l:h i.ng E:! C CHIOTTIY j S S i.nCf:' t:hdt: thblt t.1.1ay. a bit of pavement "i.s t~Joncler·f1tl .. 1 Tht~ performing brilliantly nco n cnn i s 1: IAIP n 1: r:-1 c r· o s !; He ha~; t-ur·ned the u c o no 1 n y ,·-u-· o u n d s i. n 9 l r,~ h d n r I r::~ d 1. y .

M I'' . ~;pea k e 1~ , he ki'IOIJ.IS tha·l he sl 'lOIIld be dsllantr'!d o 1- ·i I. . II e ki"IOlll~;. ·1 hPy di~E:' all ashamed of ·j 1:. r h ''! y (:\ t' ('! i•1 ~; '"" h. ·unr ,'d oF 1: h ~~ econonr.i c: f>E!r·fonnancE:~ ·infl. ·i.cU!d upon Lhi .~; ~~ach of l.hE:~ITI S(->.cret ·ly of iol'w ~:)pr·ung fias r:o. ·1 r·uth of the ma·tt(->.r'. MR . DFCKER: And the railway deal. MR. FURFY: they havE:~ P r· o lJ i. n c P ,., s :is ashaTTJE!d Thi'\ t. ·i. '> 1-.hl:! And thE:~ ra"i.l.tA.Jay sellout, Hlr'\1~. r·apt~ of our Terms of Union. Mr ·.

Sp~~ahH', I: he hon. rni.ni.st:E:H' stood up and chalJ engE!d my col.l.eagur,~ fr·o1n ~)teph~~l'llJ-i.llr,,' s st·atist :i cs wjth rr:~spPct to t-hE! u tH~tnp J o IJifl(! n I:, c:•1 S di.d l:hr·'! fl](~ Ill b r,' t' for· Pol" 1- flU Po r· t. w:i l h j s J:i.lt-Je 1.111 .69 .J IHH,~ /?. I l 9 8 8 LJ o 1. X I. flight of fantasy, using numbers Lhi·11: lw pr ·ob. •1biy cun!<Hd 11p. fJ I I I . l r.!l : 1.1 :; l 0 0 k •:-\ l: h i. ~; 0 IJ.JI'l government document.

Here is what i·.hr,' Dr,~pr'lt'l ".lfll'!r11'. or l.dbnur · Si.J.IjS ·i.n lhe first quarter of 1988 1 the hon. r'l .. i n·.i.s1 .r'!Y' oF I abour · 1 s own r·eport. Her·e is u..Jhat it. says. I h o p c,' t h C.:! h o n . 111 :-~ 1r1 I:H~ r· F o r· P o r· t a u Port is listening carefully. MR. HODDER : T a rn J i. s hHd n g v c;! r· y c at' E! f u 11 y . MR. FUREY: ThE~ UnE!mployrnent rate for the Province in March was 21.9 per CE!nt, u..Jhich is an increaSE! of 2.3 p rc! r· c E~ n t o u c->. r' +: h E'! .T a n u a r· y f ·i. g u r· e of 19.6 per cent.

The number of lHH~IIlp loy r~d 111<:1 l.r~ s i. n l:h i. s Pt·ov L n CE! increased frorn ?2,000 in January Lo ?.8 I 000 ·i.n Mru·ch I caus i.ng the rna]e unemployment rate to :increase by 1 .

r) fHc~ r· r: E! n 1. r:-1 9 r,~ p u i. n h; I f r· o In 17.9 to 21..4 - per· cE:~nt .1 from Jdi'llldt'Y l·o f"'r~t·r:h. N 01~1 I h !)I~ I c. ·.·\i'l yo11 ~;.:-~y l:h .. ·\1 : 1". hc'• E:•conomy :is performing wpJJ? MR. MI-HTIIF.WS: ~~h. ·1t .•\bOll 1: l:h0. f:~rn.:-1ln r·aty? MR. FURFY: What aboul the fE!rnaJ.E!S? The hon . For· Til r:! t' M ·i. n i !; t-. n r· of wanted them all Soc.iaJ ~:)Hr·v .i.cc'!S t.o stay hornt:!. Whdt: dboul ... t.hr:~1n? Mr. Speaker, the hon. rninJster· j u s 1: s p o k r,:, . H f>. h ad a chanc~~ l~.o say something about thE! fE!TnalE• populat ·.i.on.

HE~ did not. open he h i.s the:lt mouth about ii:. Is ashctrnr-~d of l:hosl~ number·s Loo? Maybe the hon. mE!mber adUE!rtE!ntJ y avo·i .cll>.d 1·: hf:' r·ea l sHnki.ngl shocking rE!al.ity of youth I.II'H,~Inp lo yrno n 1· .. T d··i d not hl'!ar· h.l.rn OpE~ n hj s mout·h about that. l doid 1\Jo. Gl f~ 3 fl.(j q

not hear him blabber about that, M r· . ~) p e r.1 k N' . F r· o lfl l 9 7 9 , bJ h P n !": h !'! Peckfor·d adm:inistrat .ion carne to pOIAl!·H'I IAJhE~re IAJas t.Jw youl:h unempJ.oyrnent? Where did Mr. M o o r· c'! s I i. n 1: h E! p t' e v i. o u s s <c' v t"! n yE:~ars, tab=• us? HE! took us to 25 per· cent. Not~ol 1 !::hal~ wa s s ~lt'urteful enough, Mr. Speaker.

That was s h d HH~ F u l. lc' rlO u g h L h r:'l +: i::l f ()Y' l'fHH' ConsE:'r'V cd.ive Prem:ier lAJouJ.d allol..r.J Uw E~ c o n u rn y i: o b P c o HH~ s o 1-w ·i. s t F.! d , so t·ot"n up, so r·avagE>.d and savaged dnd r'"'P' ~d I Lhd 1: young fH )opl::' l~oJoul.d l:w l.ook ::i ng around in ·t-hf.lt · economy, l~olhE ~t'!·) ?,ri pr=!t ' c'~nl: or !·.heir· pP!'!t'S I~IE!Y 'P d]SO Jook::ing i'H'OUIId, fCH' a job . ~~hdi ' h <:~ pfH'!IWd? rk . ~::;pr ,~.:· 1k fc' t' I t~Je 1.uerd ft "Ortl 1 9'79 t.o thE-! nE=•t..r.J E~t"a .

"Si ·yp F nn ~Jdt 'd 1~ori lh lh1,, Pr'• ck 1-nr·d Adrn :)td si l"i .'lt :i.on, 11 or· somE :! wor·d s J. i. k f:' L h o.'l 1.. II 1·1 "' l)f:' n () 1·. IJ.J'i n b e n 0 rn o r· E-! . 11 W i'l ~' :it F v :l-1 a P EH' o n h e stol e l:h <'ll : Fr·o1n IMh! ,!il shr'! 1'11ar ·shaJled t:I'H~ poor· and Hw prc~dsdn ·t ... s of r:lt '9E:~nl : .. i.n; :1 and Sdid, 11 Corn E:' , my fr ·:iends, have not o.riJJ b Cc~ n o 111 o r· e .

S c:n rH :~ d d y ; .. _ h e s u n 1~1 i 11 . s I d n E:~ . 11 A n y 1.u a y , he t: o o k that E v i. t-: a P E:~ t' o n 1:. h i. n g 1:,1, n d hAl i. s t. r~ d i t. into hjs own Jittle phrase that a }1_ IAJ a S 9 () "i. n q !-:. 0 b l:~ I AI('! J l -j_ n Nel..r.Jfoundland and Labrador, t:.hat have not was going Lo be no more . D o _y o u k n o l..r.l s o m r~ L h i. n g I M r· . SpPai<EH' ? A lot. · of young pE!opJel t n c l u 1l i. n g 1-: h 'is p r~ t' s on <:'1 t t h a 1·. t j r11 e , bE:~ l j E:W E:~ d ~d m .

We lJ.J e r· e s o cl e spr "!Y'i:lrE:' comi .ng oui: oF 1-:h: ~ sc ~V E:'rl year s of Torydom under Prem:ier M o n r· r~ s ~~H~ IAJ t:~ t' f:~ b l. :~ !-:~ d · i. n 9 f o r· h o p c'~ . WE ·! 1.o~w r· e n o i c r· y :i n g !

We we r· e b l. r~ E:' cl :i n 9 for· hop!-:~ I M t' . :-) p r,~ d k r;! t' , dnd l..r.JhE~ r·e d :i d tha-t- . hopE:~ 1 E:'ad u ~;? [l: J. f:~d u:; -i.n: ·o d i:dnglr.~d gdt 'dH I'l 1 M l" . ~:; p E'i.'.l I<EH' , o f d e c e i t. a n d con i:t'dd ·i. c l·.·i.on. 11 Hdv u noL Tt~Je rd y .. -.f'.i V E! unE:~rnployment : CiHICida, noi I;) i. 1.] b1 ~ p c;: r· i.n 1.9'/9 rn:i nE! 1_34-70 June 22, '1.988 no mot'! -) ' 11 cent youth Sf:,::tl-.i .s Lies traced u s Vol XL through the last nine years of the Peckford admin -Ls l-.raLi.on to the E!dge of 1987 where :it jumped i:o 29.4- pur· ct:~nl-. .

As t.hl:~ hon. rn<.;!lnbE !r for Stephenville so rightly po ·i.nt. ·.(=!d ou 1::, l!Jt~ ac t.uR11y tJ.JE•nt through three or four months where I:. hE=! unr c'rnployrnen 1-: r·a Lr~ For· young people, between the ages of fi .fi- .E~(=•n and t:l..r.H~nty .. four, i:'tctuall.y rE!aChE!d off:i .cia], unbeJ :levabl.E• h c-~ .i. g h L s o r 3 ':i p e t' c f! n t -.. Mf~. DF.CKER : That :i s official. The rea] numb E·r· 'i.s h ·i.gllr~t· LIVHl t·.hc1 ·::. r~ f~ . F IH~ F. Y : Mr• . SpE:'aker·, 'if Dr·.

House and h:is ~n 111i .l.l.ion cnllllnhsi .on Laughi . us a n y Ud n g , :i t tau g h t u s t h :i s : We r:r'ln <·11'. l nd:;t ·. f.:'l c'..c)r ' "i.n lO per· c€'~nt~. on any offj _daJ numbers for· those IJ.J h o It d v Cc' y 'i. t; f:' n 1.1 p h o p e , f o r· t h o s !-:' who have abandoned aJJ hope of U ·yi ng l:o s t=!~::~ k •'1 di .gn-i. f i Pd job and a ful1--tirnE! job :in this Province . ~>

c) j u ~; 1: f ~~ c tor· l h a t·: i. n I I. 0 p e r· cent onto the official 35 per cent of youl :h unE~Hlpl.oyment 1 r.Htd nearl.y half our young people were s c r· ~~am 1. n g for · j o b s , M r· . SpeakE=! r , some tjme during 1987. Let us take it forward to 1988 and Lht~ co1npll~ t.e untc ~rnployrnE!I'lt picture. Mr. Speak er·, :in January of 1-'.h-is yer'lt' +:he i;1djustt ~l:l fi .gur '('!S 1.u ere 17 .4 per c ent. Then lJ.Ie 11..1ent Htrc> ug h Feb t··u ,:u· y, M. :\t'C h , and Apr-1. 1 and M ay . Wh ere did we arri ve? At 1. 7 . /. p f,~ t' c; 8 tl 1: . N ()IJ, ) I t h 17\ {: i. s pe rf orm an ce, Mr ·.

Spea ker . T ha i- is k·i.ck--:;'1:< -n·l :·i.ng l:h r~ t~t:OI 'l! )lil y, i_s i.f : not? Oh, boy! The hon. M:in:i~; ·[E:!Y' of :lndl .l:h' s l:~y hr ,~ rnu s l: hdv e worn spats, Mr. Speaker, because ol:hf:'t'l~oJ'i .sH h·i:; l1~9 l~oJOI.Ilcl hr:·1vr~ ber~n worn ou{ : k:i ck -.. st.ar L i ng thE~ t:~COl'lC)II'lY! Wh;::~L ··1 jokE:~! unadu]terated No. 61 Wh.:\ 1-: hoax COirtpl. f• L f~ and j okE• <\\ nd the rn4-7o

form0r Minister of Finance fHH' fH~ L r· a h·H:l on Uw p t~ o p l c-) o F I: h :i s PI"CnJ:i nee! No wond~::>r' h~~ t.~Jas ci::~IIIOI-.ed l:o Hr~.:~J.i-:h! r~r· . ~:)pt~< .. ,ker', no ~ICHJdc,~r ltE:~ ~Jas fJ ung out : of F ·i.rh-Hll:f:' o:il-h:H' e,~"i.ghl : yc,~dt'~; of those-) k j n d ~; o f p I" o j e c Li o n s . H :i s l a ~;-( I:)IJdg~-:'1, r·k. ~:q :)(~dkPt', ho-H:I h·irn going on the knE-'E:~s w:i ·l h cap ... :in- .. hand l:w g ~ri n 9 for· b <:d l o 11 L for· h ·i ~; ClHTC·>.rl r ac counr def:i c:i t of $170 1ni .ll.ion. You ~;hou1d be-) a~;~h'lrfl: '!cl! Mr· . ~:)pt· '!r3.I<Hr', J r~ 1-: lll!c' l:el.l. you sornethjng. Let us track the hon. M