1972 Legislative Session: 3rd Session, 29th Parliament

HANSARD

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Official Report of

DEBATES OF THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

(Hansard)

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 1972

Afternoon Sitting

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House in committee of supply. Mr. Speaker was recalled.

MR. SPEAKER: The chairman of the committee has made no

recommendations to me as to the action he wishes me to take but I think

I've made it clear before that the rules that apply in the House apply

equally well in the committee. Honourable Members must obey the Chair

otherwise we will have no direction, any proper direction in the House.

I would advise strongly that the direction of the Chair be accepted.

MR. D. BARRETT (Leader of the Opposition): Mr. Speaker, it is

very difficult, I submit to you, extremely difficult to have any

attention of the Chair when the House reaches a point of fatigue. In my

opinion the House has reached that point of fatigue. There was an

agreement that the whips run things. The whips are no longer….

MR. SPEAKER: The Honourable Member, I am afraid, is not in

order in view of the fact that I have no knowledge of what is going on

in the committee or what the whips are doing. I can only say that the

adjournment of the House is a matter for the House to decide, not any

individual Member. In the meantime the House and each Member of the

House must take direction from the Chair. I hope that all Members will

cooperate.

I realise that the hour is late and tempers are frayed. But I think

in the interests of getting the parliamentary work completed that we

have to cooperate with the Chair.

MR. BARRETT: It can't be done that way because the parliamentary debate breaks down because of the hour.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman.

House in committee of supply. Mr. Speaker was recalled.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The Chair ruled that a motion to rise and

report progress and ask leave to sit again was out of order on the

ground that it was an abuse of the rules and privileges of the House

under standing order No. 44. The Chair has been challenged on this.

MR. SPEAKER: The question to the House is shall the ruling of the chairman be sustained?

Mr. Chairman's ruling sustained on the following division.

YEAS-32

Ney

Jefcoat

Wolfe

Merilees

Tisdalle

Smith

Marshall

McCarthy, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Wenman

Jordan, Mrs.

Chabot

Kripps, Mrs.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chant

Mussallem

Kiernan

Gaglardi

Price

Williston

Campbell, D.R.J.

Capozzi

Bennett

Brothers

Vogel

Peterson

Shelford

LeCours

Black

Richter

Little

Fraser

NAYS-18

Brousson

Hall

Macdonald

Gardom

Williams, R.A.

Strachan

Wallace

Calder

Dowding

Cocke

Clark

Nimsick

Hartley

McGeer

Barrett

Lorimer

Williams, L.A.

Dailly, Mrs.

House in committee of supply. Mr. Speaker was recalled.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The Chair's ruling that a motion to rise and report progress and ask leave to sit again was out of order has been challenged.

MR. SPEAKER: The ruling of the Chair has been challenged. The question is shall the ruling of the Chair be sustained?

Mr. Chairman's ruling sustained on the following division.

YEAS-32

Ney

Jefcoat

Wolfe

Merilees

Tisdalle

Smith

Marshall

McCarthy, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Wenman

Jordan, Mrs.

Chabot

Kripps, Mrs.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chant

Mussallem

Kiernan

Gaglardi

Price

Williston

Campbell, D.R.J.

Capozzi

Bennett

Brothers

Vogel

Peterson

Shelford

LeCours

Black

Richter

Little

Fraser

NAYS-17

Brousson

Hall

Strachan

Gardom

Williams, R.A.

Dowding

Wallace

Calder

Nimsick

Cocke

Clark

Barrett

Hartley

Williams, L.A.

Dailly, Mrs.

Lorimer

Macdonald

House in committee of supply. Mr. Speaker was recalled.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Speaker, I have named Mr. Nimsick (Kootenay).

MR. SPEAKER: The Hon. Member for Kootenay has been named.

HON. D.L. BROTHERS (Minister of Education): Mr. Speaker, I

move seconded by the Minister of Municipal Affairs (Hon. Mr. Campbell)

that the Member named be suspended from the service of the House until

2:00 p.m. on February 29, next.

Motion approved.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Nimsick, I order you to be removed from the chamber now and to report back to the chamber on the 29th day of this month.

MR. L.T. NIMSICK (Kootenay): Can we have a division on that? I think it should be a division.

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MR. BARRETT: a 20-year veteran of this House and the only one who….

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Interjections by Hon. Members.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! The motion is that the Member

named be suspended from the service of this House until 2:00 p.m. on

February 29 next.

Motion approved on the following division.

YEAS-30

Ney

Tisdalle

Wolfe

Marshall

McCarthy, Mrs.

Smith

Wenman

Jordan, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Kripps, Mrs.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chabot

Mussallem

Kiernan

Chant

Price

Williston

Gaglardi

Capozzi

Bennett

Campbell, D.R.J.

Vogel

Peterson

Brothers

LeCours

Black

Shelford

Jefcoat

Fraser

Richter

NAYS-15

Brousson

Hall

Macdonald

Wallace

Williams, R.A.

Strachan

Cocke

Calder

Dowding

Hartley

Clark

Barrett

Lorimer

Williams, L.A.

Dailly, Mrs.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Nimsick, will you leave the chamber until 2:00 p.m. on February 29?

MR. NIMSICK: I'll do it on behalf of the people of British Columbia.

House in committee of supply. Mr. Speaker was recalled.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The Chair has ruled out of order a motion that

the committee rise and report progress and ask leave to sit again. This

ruling has been challenged.

MR. SPEAKER: Honourable Members please take their places so we can count for this division.

MR. BARRETT: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, in some

precincts of the building the bell is difficult to hear. I know that in

our offices it's difficult to hear.

Interjections by Hon. Members.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! The question is shall the Chairman's ruling be sustained?

Mr. Chairman's ruling sustained on the following division.

YEAS-30

Ney

Tisdalle

Wolfe

Marshall

McCarthy, Mrs.

Smith

Wenman

Jordan, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Kripps, Mrs.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chabot

Mussallem

Kiernan

Chant

Price

Williston

Gaglardi

Capozzi

Bennett

Campbell, D.R.J.

Vogel

Peterson

Brothers

LeCours

Black

Shelford

Jefcoat

Fraser

Richter

NAYS-15

Brousson

Hall

Williams, L.A.

Wallace

Williams, R.A.

Strachan

Cocke

Calder

Dowding

Hartley

Clark

Barrett

Lorimer

McGeer

Dailly, Mrs.

House in committee of supply. Mr. Speaker was recalled.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The Chair ruled out of order a motion that the

committee rise and report progress and ask leave to sit again. The

Chair's ruling has been challenged.

MR. SPEAKER: The question is shall the Chairman's ruling be sustained?

Interjections by Hon. Members.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Order, please! Order, please!

Interjections by Hon. Members.

MR. SPEAKER: If there are many more insults hurled across this floor there will be more Members placed out of this House.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Interjections by Hon. Members.

AN HON. MEMBER: Don't you listen to the Speaker?

AN HON. MEMBER: Mr. Speaker, a point of order.

MR. SPEAKER: There is no debate during a division. I

shouldn't bother to be paying notice to these remarks but I think

everyone is very tired and I just wish Members would try to control

themselves. There's no debate. No points of order during the taking of

the division.

Mr. Chairman's ruling sustained on the following division:

YEAS-29

Ney

Tisdalle

Smith

Marshall

McCarthy, Mrs.

McDiarmid

Wenman

Jordan, Mrs.

Chabot

Kripps, Mrs.

Dawson, Mrs.

Chant

Mussallem

Kiernan

Gaglardi

Price

Williston

Campbell, D.R.J.

Capozzi

Peterson

Brothers

Vogel

Black

Shelford

LeCours

Fraser

Richter

Jefcoat

Wolfe

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NAYS-16

Brousson

Williams, R.A.

Macdonald

Wallace

Calder

Strachan

Cocke

Clark

Dowding

Hartley

McGeer

Barrett

Lorimer

Williams, L.A.

Dailly, Mrs.

Hall

House in committee of supply. The committee rose, reported progress and asked leave to sit again.

Hon. Mr. Bennett moves adjournment of the House.

Motion approved.

The House adjourned at 12:35 p.m.

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