Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Statements by Ministers — 24 May 2001 (44th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLIV No. 31)

2001-05-24

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Statements by Ministers — 24 May 2001 (44th General Assembly, 3rd Session, Vol. XLIV No. 31)

2001-05-24

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

May 24, 2001 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLIV No. 31

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Snow): Order, please!

Before we begin out routine proceedings, the Chair would like to welcome to

the Speaker's gallery today, the hon. David Coutts, Minister of Government

Services from the Province of Alberta, along with the Deputy Minister, Roger

Jackson, the Executive Director of Consumer Services, Rick Solkowski, and the

Executive Assistant to Minister Coutts, David Keto.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: As well, I want to welcome to the gallery thirty-four Grades

4, 5 and 6 students from St. Mark's School, in King's Cove, in the District

of Bonavista South. They are accompanied by teachers: Mrs. Alice Lewis, Mrs.

Kelly Marshall, and Mr. John Adams; a parent: Mrs. Patsy Harty; and bus driver:

Mr. Bill Ryan.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Trinity North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. ROSS WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to congratulate the Town of

Clarenville as it celebrates fifty years as an incorporated community.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. ROSS WISEMAN: On June 6, 1951, the Town of Clarenville elected its

first council and it was chaired by a gentleman by the name of Mr. Ernest

Drover.

Since that time, Mr. Speaker, Clarenville has experienced many changes, they

have enjoyed tremendous growth, and it has become a leading community in our

Province.

Clarenville has benefitted from its strategic location and rapidly became

known as the "Hub of the East Coast." However, the real credit for the

success of Clarenville goes to the caliber of the people who live there.

The more than 100 volunteer councillors who have served on council since 1951

are to be commended for their vision, their strong leadership, and for making

potential opportunities become a reality.

Clarenville is a great place to live, a great place to raise a family and to

explore business opportunities, all because there is a strong network of

dedicated, hardworking volunteers who are committed to improving the quality of

life of our community.

To Mayor Fred Best, councillors and staff, and especially the citizens of

Clarenville, I want to congratulate them on their 50 th Anniversary!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. ROSS WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Conception Bay East & Bell

Island.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to congratulate a hockey player whose roots are from Bell Island

and who is making a name for himself in the Western Hockey League.

Scottie Upshall, a seventeen-year-old right winger with the Kamloops Blazers

of the Western Hockey League, was born in Fort McMurray, Alberta. Appropriately,

we have guests from Alberta today. His parents, Scott and Mandy, hail from Bell

Island. His maternal grandmother, Marg Ash, and the Ash family, I consider to be

close personal friends. Marg of course, is still a resident of Bell Island.

I am pleased to announce, Mr. Speaker, that Scottie was named winner of the

Western Hockey League's rookie of the year award, the Jim Piggott Memorial

Trophy, on Tuesday.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WALSH: Mr. Speaker, Scottie is the first player ever from the

Kamloops Blazers to win this prestigious award, and he had a great season this

year with forty-two goals and eighty-seven points in his rookie year. He is also

eligible for the 2002 NHL draft and is expected to be a top pick.

Mr. Speaker, I congratulate Scottie Upshall on this achievement, and I am

sure all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians will be looking forward to a bright

future from this up-and-coming hockey star, with Bell Island roots.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bonavista South.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. FITZGERALD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to rise today to pay tribute to a long-time resident of

Bonavista South who passed away on Friday, a master shipbuilder for many years

at the Clarenville dry dock, and in later years of his life opened up carpenter

shipyards in Port Union, a gentleman by the name of Reuben Carpenter. Mr.

Carpenter traveled to the Labrador Coast down in Postville, I say to the Member

for Torngat Mountains, and built ships and designed ships on the Labrador Coast,

and built them on the ice down there.

He liked to tell the story about the call that he got, when he built a

launching of the boat in order to get Mr. Rompkey down there. Little did they

know that the boat was built on the ice and the ice had melted and the boat was

already launched. He got a great charge out of telling the story, then he had a

real problem with hauling it up again and allowing it to be launched so that Mr.

Rompkey could take

part in the launch.

Mr. Speaker, Mr. Carpenter was also a boat designer. He designed and helped

build boats that were known as the Splinter fleet which was built in Clarenville.

In his later years he lost his eyesight but always maintained a very keen

interest in not only provincial politics and the provincial economy but the

Canadian economy as well.

I, today, would like to offer my sympathy to the Carpenter family, namely his

wife Dulcie, who he has been married to for in excess of sixty years, and his

eight surviving children.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. FITZGERALD: Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources and Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Earlier this year, it was my pleasure to announce that low income families

with children will be able to earn more money and still qualify for the

Newfoundland and Labrador Child Benefit.

As this session of the House draws to a conclusion, I wish to take the

opportunity to remind families in receipt of the NLCB that these changes will

take place effective July 1, 2001. The income thresholds that determine

eligibility for the Newfoundland and Labrador Child Benefit and the amounts

received will change. The adjustment is significant in the sense that it will

provide an increase for approximately 5,000 families currently in receipt of the

child benefit. It also reaffirms our commitment to addressing the issue of child

poverty in Newfoundland and Labrador.

The change means that more families will be eligible for the full benefit,

the income level at which the partial benefit ceases will be higher, and overall

more families will receive full or partial coverage. This adjustment also

ensures that families are supported in their efforts to obtain and maintain

employment. It means that families leaving social assistance will continue to

receive a child benefit, therefore easing the transition to work.

This is good news for families since this adjustment in the Newfoundland and

Labrador Child Benefit coincides with a benefit increase and a similar

adjustment to the income thresholds for the Canada Child Tax Benefit.

Newfoundland and Labrador is one of six provinces that has acted to create a

child benefit for low income families, including low income working families. In

doing so, this Province has been able to move income support for children

outside of the social assistance program. This means that the child benefit does

not cease when the family leaves social assistance.

Mr. Speaker, while much progress has been made since the introduction of the

National Child Benefit and the Newfoundland and Labrador Child Benefit, there is

still much more that can and should be done, if we are to reduce the depth of

child poverty in Canada. Provincial/Territorial Ministers Responsible for Social

Services recently met in Halifax, Nova Scotia to discuss the progress of the

National Child Benefit and possible future directions. The National Child

Benefit has been an excellent example of federal-provincial cooperation in

pursuit of a common objective, providing low income families with a stable

source of income support and reducing the barriers to work. Ministers are

currently engaged in preparing a status report on the National Child Benefit for

the upcoming Annual Premiers Conference.

This review is timely and I believe it provides an opportunity to consider

further options to enhance the National Child Benefit. As Minister Responsible

for Social Services in this Province, I will do my part to advocate for

increased federal investment in the Canada Child Tax Benefit. Currently, the

federal government has committed to growing the federal child benefit to $2,500

for a first child and $2,300 for a second and subsequent child by 2004. The

partnership between the federal and provincial governments has been critical to

the progress achieved thus far. We now need to set new targets for future

cooperation.

Mr Speaker, I believe we all share a common vision of a country free of child

poverty.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We certainly endorse the aspects of this, in particular with the transition

there. I think it is positive to enable people not to be deprived when they go

out, and the opportunity to seek work. Also, a lot of people, I might add, in

this Province are barely surviving and without the national child tax and the

combination with the provincial one here, they would be going hungry. That is

not an understatement at all, I say to the minister.

I agree with what is indicated here. The only thing I disagree with is that

the news release they gave on March 22, 2001 was a little more in-depth and more

detailed and this only includes part of that announcement that he made over two

months ago when this House opened.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Poverty is certainly an issue that has to be dealt with in this Province and

throughout the country. When it comes to child poverty, it is particularly

disturbing when we hear in the news reports and see people in our communities

who are living in poverty. I recall, not too many years ago, there was a

unanimous resolution by the federal government to eliminate child poverty in

this country by the year 2000; but we are all very much aware, Mr. Speaker, that

did not happen. The problem still exists and it exists in numbers that are still

large and disturbing to the general population. Any move at all that will do

anything to help eliminate and reduce poverty to any degree is certainly welcome

and it is something that governments have to pay attention to and work on in

order to reduce it and live within the resolution that was passed in Ottawa to

eliminate poverty all together.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Recreation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. K. AYLWARD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform my hon. colleagues that last night at the

Attractions Canada Awards Gala in Halifax, our Cape St. Mary's Ecological

Reserve received the national award for best Natural Outdoor Site with an area

less than 100 square kilometres.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. K. AYLWARD: This is one of only seven national awards given by

Attractions Canada.

Attractions Canada is a program spearheaded by Montreal-based Attractions

Canada in partnership with the Canadian Tourism Commission, the Tourism Industry

Association of Canada, Canadian Heritage and others. The purpose of the program

is to highlight and promote the diversity of tourism and heritage activities,

events and attractions, and to encourage Canadians to be tourists in their own

country.

The Attractions Canada Awards Program has various categories for which the

public and tourism industry can nominate provincial attractions and events. In

total this year, there were ninety-eight winning attractions at the provincial

and territorial level. The Newfoundland and Labrador provincial recipients

include: The Colony of Avalon Archaeological Site, in the category of Developed

Outdoor Site with an operating budget less than $1 million; Newfoundland

Insectarium, for an Indoor Site with an operating budget less than $400,000;

Annual Brigus Blueberry Festival, won the Cultural Event with an operating

budget less than $350,000; Viking Trail Tourism Association-Vikings! 1000 Years,

which our government was very proud to sponsor, also won the Cultural Event

category in the operating budget of less than $350,000; TRI-FEST, a week long

event surrounding the International Triathlon Union Cup in Corner Brook this

past summer, which our government again supported last year, won for best

Sporting Event with an operating budget of more than $110,000; Norstead: A Real

Life Saga - took the award for New Attraction; and, again, the Cape St. Mary's

Ecological Reserve also received the provincial award for Natural Outdoor Site.

A national jury made up of five individuals representing tourism, media and

business circles were given the responsibility of selecting seven national

winners from the ninety-eight provincial and territorial recipients. It has been

a great opportunity to build Newfoundland and Labrador's profile and benchmark

our products against the best tourism and heritage attractions in Canada.

Mr. Speaker, I know I join with my colleagues in congratulating the seven

provincial winners from Newfoundland and Labrador and our management and staff

of the Cape St. Mary's Ecological Reserve for their prestigious national

award.

Tourism is a strong, vibrant and growing industry in this Province. I would

like to encourage all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to make time this summer

to visit the parks, the natural areas and scenic attractions throughout our

Province and see the impressive and award-winning sites and sounds our beautiful

Province offers.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. Barbe.

MR. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We, as the Opposition, are proud of the recognition the Province's scenic,

recreational and historic attractions have been given by Attractions Canada. The

winners of various categories come from all over the Province and represent a

wide variety of attractions. It lends more support to the argument that I have

been making that this Province's approach to tourism must be multi-facet and

must not be merely a singular team celebration where towns are cut loose by the

following year. It is time the Province got serious about providing a meaningful

investment in the infrastructure needed to support our tourism industry, and

that means road word that will allow people to access the Cape St. Mary's

Ecological Reserve and many other attractions in the Province. It means

supporting other forms of infrastructure that will allow towns to offer tourists

a first class experience in their respective areas.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, would like to congratulate the recipients of the awards. As the

minister stated, tourism is a growing industry in this Province, but we are very

much lacking in the infrastructure for tourism in the things that people can do

and the places that they can - services provided to them along our highway

system and throughout the Province, much work has to be done in that area in

order to treat tourists better when they arrive in this Province.

I am proud to say that throughout the entire region of this Province, and the

Labrador portion of the Province, that tourism is a vibrant industry. It is

growing at amazing rates. We need to invest more into the infrastructure

programs that will give them more to do when they arrive in this Province and

provide better services to them as they travel throughout the regions.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources and Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The hon. members opposite were so obviously moved by my initial statement, I

can't resist the temptation to rise again.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to tell hon. members that the

transition from the old Janeway Emergency in Pleasantville to the opening of the

new Emergency Department at the Janeway Children's Health and Rehabilitation

Centre at the Health Sciences Centre site has been a success.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: As of midnight, last night, the Emergency Department at the

Janeway in Pleasantville closed permanently. At the same time, the new emergency

opened up on Prince Philip Drive for children and their families.

As of today, all children's health and rehabilitation services formerly at

the old Janeway will be available at the new hospital. For the time being,

however, Community Health services and the Janeway Hostel remain open in

Pleasantville.

Mr. Speaker, the Health Care Corporation of St. John's has overseen the

move of all Janeway services for several weeks now. Although a great deal of

planning has gone into preparing and executing the moves, it is still a very

exciting time for all concerned.

The people of Newfoundland and Labrador now have a brand new, state of the

art facility, which will allow staff to continue the exemplary care carried out

for the last forty-five years at the old Janeway.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: The official opening of the new Janeway will occur in June.

However, I wanted to mark today's move by congratulating everyone involved and

wishing them all the best as they become familiar with their new surroundings.

I know that concern for the safety of patients and their families has been

uppermost in everybody's minds during the move. Now that testing of all mayor

systems is complete, families can rest assured that their new facility is ready

to meet the challenges that lie ahead. I hope the new facility offers a sense of

pride for all and a sense of hope for families and their children.

Mr. Speaker, children will be better served by a facility designed

specifically for them. The old Janeway had been a military hospital and was

first opened as a children's hospital in 1966.

While it has been a staple in our health system over the years, we look

forward now to a modern facility with all the bells and whistles of the 21 st

century. Children will have on-site access to sophisticated medical technology,

such as the MRI, and to one-of-a-kind medical expertise. Mothers and ill

newborns will be together in one setting, as compared to the former need to

transport sick newborns from the Grace to the Janeway. Acute care and

rehabilitation services for children will be fully integrated at the new

facility. This process was begun more than four years ago when the Children's

Rehabilitation Centre integrated with the current Janeway site. In addition,

staff of the Child Health and Women's Health Programs will be able to

strengthen research linkages with Memorial University at the new site.

I look forward to the official opening of the new facility when we can

showcase this new children's hospital for all residents of our Province.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The former minister, and the former, former minister, sitting together there

in health, know full well where I am on this issue.

I said that I support consolidation if it is not going to be spent -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SULLIVAN: I would like to thank them for the applause. It is a lot

more than they gave their own minister, I would say.

If it is not going to be spent on bricks and mortar, then it is going to be

put into services. The minister had the audacity to get up before and say: It is

on budget and on time. It was supposed to be in December of 1998 with a budget

of $70 million. They had to borrow $130 million, not counting tens of millions

of more dollars in addition, to purchase facilities, and other costs; double the

budget, over two years behind schedule, and furthermore, the facility cannot

accommodate many areas now that it should.

I spoke, just as recently as last week, with people who are cramped into the

basement of that facility, in many instances not enough room to be able to serve

the people there, the clients of the system. They have mismanaged it, they have

mishandled it. We have a beautiful looking building, and we have seen in the

news recently four mothers and babies cramped in one little room. They can't

get sleep, can't get the rest they need. It has not met the needs to serve

people properly within the system, and it is about time the government, when

they are spending close to $200 million in total, spend it right, listen to the

people who work there, take directions on what is needed in the normal working

space, and serve the interest of the people who are going to be using that

facility, not the bureaucrats and people sitting in government offices.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I guess if there is one thing that all members of this House will agree on,

and the people throughout the Province, it is that there is nothing but goods

words that can be said about the Janeway and the services that they have

provided -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: - to young children throughout this Province over the years,

Mr. Speaker. I think it is important that, when we look at this centre, the

children's hospital, the other thing that we can all agree on is the need for

a new facility, when we look at the former Janeway.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: On the other side of the coin, as the former speaker

mentioned, Mr. Speaker, there should have been more consultation with the people

throughout the Province as that facility was being built, so that it can meet

the needs of the people who will be using it.

Mr. Speaker, I have seen the building from the outside. I haven't been on a

tour of it yet, but it does appear to be a remarkable facility that was much

needed in the Province.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

The hon. the Minister of Government Services and Lands.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. NOEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform hon. members that the Government of

Newfoundland and Labrador will host a meeting of federal, provincial and

territorial Ministers Responsible for Consumer Affairs tomorrow, Friday, May 25.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. NOEL: To be co-chaired by our former Premier, Canada's Minister of

Industry, and myself.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. NOEL: Over the past several years -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please! Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Government Services and Lands.

MR. NOEL: Over the past several years, Government Services and Lands has

placed increased emphasis on consumer protection and education and this

conference will contribute substantially to our efforts in this regard.

Mr. Speaker, we are dealing with a rapidly changing marketplace. Every day,

consumers face new ways of doing business, especially as a result of new

technologies. Our challenge as Ministers Responsible for Consumer Affairs is

significant. We must work together to improve consumer protection programs and

services, and strive to ensure that consumers have the information and skills

they need to protect themselves.

During our meetings we will discuss modernization and harmonization of

consumer legislation and policies, marketplace practices, e-commerce, and

consumer information and education programs.

I am happy to welcome ministers and officials from across the country to

discuss these important issues. I welcome them to our Province and look forward

to a successful conference.

I would like to thank Minister Coutts and his colleagues for joining us this

afternoon.

Thank you very much.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. John's South.

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Mr. Speaker, despite the insolence of our members across

the House, I would like to welcome our guests to our Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Obviously, the minister can stand tall today. The role of

consumer affairs, Mr. Speaker, is obviously a very important role in this

Province, and I hope that the conference tomorrow will help solve some of the

problems that are facing consumers in the Province, as well as throughout the

country.

Even more importantly, we have to focus on the business climate within this

Province and the difficulties that businesses and people have in dealing with

government. We have to try to cut through the bureaucratic red tape, the

bureaucratic maze that is created within the Province, and the climate that is

displayed throughout the Province in people dealing with government. That is

really where we have to focus.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's time is up.

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have to comment. If the House were open yet another week, with the

continuance of the number of Ministerial Statements we have seen today, to my

hon. colleague from the pulp and paper District of Windsor-Springdale, you would

have no worries about number seven shutting down.

Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Premier today. This being the last day

of this sitting of the Legislature for the spring, before we sit again in this

House, the fate of Friede Goldman Halter will likely be resolved and, with it,

the fate of the Marystown Shipyard and the fabrication facility at Cow Head, and

ultimately and most importantly, the economy of the Burin Peninsula.

In a filing with the U.S. Securities Commission, Frieda Goldman Halter said

they were negotiating with the Newfoundland government to waive the $10 million

in penalties for failing to maintain minimum employment levels at the shipyard.

I would like to ask the Premier, obviously, is that right? Is the Province

considering waiving that $10 million penalty? If so, on what terms? And what has

been the Province's official response to Friede Goldman Halter?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Carbonear-Harbour Grace.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SWEENEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Government is monitoring the overall situation with Friede Goldman on a daily

basis. As of today, while we are here in the House, the minister is in

Mississippi meeting with Friede Goldman.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. E. BYRNE: I thank the private member for Harbour Grace. My questions

were for the Premier.

Yesterday, Friede Goldman, in a release, indicated -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. E. BYRNE: It has nothing to do with fairness. Cabinet ministers

answer questions in this House. My question was for the Premier, not for a

backbencher, I say to the minister.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member now to get to his supplementary.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

AN HON. MEMBER: A point of order (inaudible)

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

There is no point of order.

I ask the hon. member to get to his question.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yesterday, Friede Goldman Halter liquidated its engineering products facility

in France for $33.5 million in order to get some operating capital for its core

operations in the United States. I would like to ask the Premier this: Based

upon the discussions that I know you have been personally involved with, based

upon the discussions with Friede Goldman Halter, is it possible that they may

liquidate the Marystown and Cow Head facilities to get more operating capital?

If they are telling you this, on behalf of the people of the Province, and in

particular the people of the Burin Peninsula who depend on this very important

industry, what is your response on behalf of government to them?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Carbonear-Harbour Grace.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SWEENEY: Mr. Speaker, Frieda Goldman has advised the government that

it has no intention of liquidating or removing any assets from Marystown.

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, it is very clear that yet once again, on

another important economic issue facing the Province, the Premier is frankly not

even interested enough to stand on his feet and answer the question.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member is on a supplementary. I ask him to get to his question.

MR. E. BYRNE: Let me ask him this question.

MR. MERCER: (Inaudible) shame.

MR. E. BYRNE: It is shameful, I say to the Member for Humber East. It is

very shameful that your leader will not stand and answer the question!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I will just remind hon. members that questions are directed to government and

it is the government that decides who answers the question. Parliamentary

Assistants in this Legislature, in the past, have responded on behalf of

members.

I ask the hon. member to get to his question.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, my question again is for the Premier. Friede Goldman Halter

obviously is desperate for operating capital. I have their quarterly report

filed at the bankruptcy commission. For the first three months of this year, it

incurred operating losses of $344 million compared to $140 million in the year

2000. This company is in bad shape. It is in bankruptcy protection from its

creditors. It cannot secure lines of credit. It cannot get operating capital.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member now is on a supplementary. I ask him to get to his question.

MR. E. BYRNE: The only way, Mr. Speaker, it can get operating capital is

by selling off its assets to protect its core operations in the United States.

I would like to ask the Premier this question: What is government's plan?

What is your strategy to keep the shipyards in this Province going? After all,

it was your government that sold this shipyard for $1 and it has a value of

somewhere in the vicinity of between $50 million and $70 million. Mr. Speaker,

the question is again: What is your strategy?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. E. BYRNE: What is the Premier's strategy and this government's

strategy -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member now to take his seat.

MR. E. BYRNE: - to keep this very important asset and the economy of the

Burin Peninsula alive, Mr. Speaker?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate the line of questioning being orchestrated by the puppet master

for the puppet today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

PREMIER GRIMES: I expect, based on the last question, I am assuming, I

can understand from that, and the people of the Province would understand from

that, because we do have a situation where the Leader of the Progressive

Conservative Party has indicated that he plans to tell the people of the

Province absolutely nothing about what his positions are on any issues until

there is a general election in about two-and-a-half years time.

Do I understand, Mr. Speaker, from the last question, and should the people

of the Province understand from the last question, that the official position of

the Official Opposition in Newfoundland and Labrador is that they would still be

operating, as the government, a particular shipyard in Marystown, paying a

subsidy from the taxpayers in the range of $30 million to $40 million to $50

million each and every year? Is that what we should understand, that the

position of the Official Opposition is?

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

PREMIER GRIMES: Are that going to go to the Burin Peninsula and -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

PREMIER GRIMES: - suggest to the people that if they were the government,

they would take back the Marystown Shipyard -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. the Premier now to conclude his answer.

PREMIER GRIMES: - and operate it, as the government? Is that what the

people of Newfoundland and Labrador should understand from that question?

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

What they should understand from the question is that it would not be this

side of the House or this party that would have given away a $100 million asset

without protecting it from the type of situation that it is in today!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: What he should understand from this question is that it

would not be this side of the House, or any member on this side of the House,

that would sell out and sell off an asset like that, thus leaving the backsides

of an economy and the people of rural Newfoundland in jeopardy. That is what

this Premier should understand, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member is on a supplementary. I ask him get to his question.

MR. E. BYRNE: Let me ask him this question, in view of the fact that he

did not answer the last one and very few in this entire sitting.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. E. BYRNE: The yards at Marystown, Mr. Speaker, are a bonanza for

Friede Goldman. They received it for $1 without any protection put in place in

the agreement by this government. Let me ask him this: Do you have any

explanation for the people of the Province, that Friede Goldman Halter can now

sell the assets worth $50 million to $100 million, which they only got for $1?

What is your explanation to the people of the Burin Peninsula that your

government, which you were a minister of, which you are now Premier of -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. E. BYRNE: - has not filed any protection to protect the asset and has

not protected the economy of rural Newfoundland and Labrador on the Burin

Peninsula. Offer us some explanation to that Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Now that we have the Leader of the Opposition appropriately excited and

exercised, maybe we can again find out: Is it now the position of the Leader of

the Opposition that they - for the public record, when this arrangement was made

some three years ago - suggested that it was the wrong thing to do, Mr. Speaker?

My recollection of the public debate in Newfoundland and Labrador when the

arrangement was made with Friede Goldman is that the Official Opposition, with

this leader, suggested it was the best deal and agreed, Mr. Speaker, that it was

the best arrangement in Newfoundland and Labrador at the time. So now because we

have a new leader of the party does that mean that the position has changed

because the one man show has told you to think differently on this issue, just

like you now think differently about issues like Main River and how you now

think differently about issues like FPI -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

PREMIER GRIMES: - because you are told to think differently than you did

three years ago.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A supplementary, the hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. E. BYRNE: The position of this party has been consistent for the last

five years. It has been consistent on this issue. The Premier knows it, Mr.

Speaker, the government knows it. The fact of the matter is that it was this

Opposition that asked questions on: where is the contract? It was this

Opposition that forced that government and that crowd to table a contract for

all the public to see!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member now to get to his question. He is on a supplementary

and he ought not to have any

preamble.

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

And it was this Opposition that forced that Premier to release the

information that nobody on that side would release.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member to get to his question. He is on a supplementary and

there ought not to be a

preamble.

MR. E. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, is the Premier aware - he should be - that the

Newfoundland Offshore Industries Association, commonly known as NOIA, is

extremely concerned. Is he aware of that, about what may happen at Marystown? Is

he aware that they are concerned because Friede Goldman (inaudible) has never

said anything publically that would show that those assets will not be stripped

out of Newfoundland? Is he aware that NOIA is also very concerned because this

government has offered no public assurance that those assets will not go? Can he

answer those questions and stand up to the concerns that people are putting out

there publicly and ultimately? Stand up for the people of rural Newfoundland,

which you have failed so miserably to do on this very important issue.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

It is good to see that the Leader of the Opposition is following instructions

carefully as given. You will note, Mr. Speaker, and I think the people of the

Province will note that he, like the new leader of the party, will not state

either what the position of the Progressive Conservative Party is with respect

to whether or not they would run the shipyard in Marystown or whether they would

like this government, Mr. Speaker.

MR. E. BYRNE: (Inaudible).

PREMIER GRIMES: So you would not run. Now, Mr. Speaker, we have an

answer.

MR. E. BYRNE: Point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

No point of order.

I ask the hon. Premier now to get on with his answer.

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that the Leader of the Opposition should be

careful because he has now gone against instructions and blurted out an actual

position. The position of the Official Opposition is that they, if they were the

government, I understand it, would not run the shipyard in Marystown. I hope

that is an accurate reflection of a position given.

Mr. Speaker, we did not wait for NOIA or any other group to express concern.

We had worked -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. Premier now to get on with his answer.

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We have worked every single day on behalf and with the people in Marystown,

with the workers and the unions, which is why the Deputy Premier and the

Minister of Industry, Trade and Rural Development is in Pascagoula today meeting

with the Friede Goldman representatives because our only interest, Mr. Speaker,

is not to play politics with this issue but to actually provide the security and

the protection that the people of Marystown and the Burin Peninsula need and

deserve; and that is what we are about today, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Today my questions are for the Minister of Mines and Energy.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday when questioned on hiring practices at the Terra Nova

project the minister asked for examples of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians

being discriminated against and/or treated unfairly, and that he would bring

redress to the issue.

I have a few examples. Why is it that a saturation diver from Newfoundland,

who worked on the project last year, who was trained in England at a cost of

$25,000 to the government, who has the same credentials as the British divers,

is not called back this year while workers from outside the country are working

in his place? Minister, what are you going to do about that?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MATTHEWS: Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday in the House, the projects

that we have had as a result of the Hibernia and the Terra Nova development -

and future projects, we hope - all of these projects are extremely important to

the people of the Province in terms of the economic benefits they bring. They

are important in terms -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair has recognized the hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

MR. MATTHEWS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

They are important in the context of the training and employment

opportunities that they have brought to the people of this Province. We intend,

on this side of the House, as government, to ensure that the Atlantic Accord

requirements are respected and are met. We are committed to ensuring that, in as

far as we have jurisdiction, the CNOPB board does the right job and the best job

on behalf of the people of the Province.

To the specific question that the hon. member asked, and to the situation

that he has alluded to, I am looking forward - because I asked him yesterday to

give me examples, specific concrete examples of individuals who believe that

they have not been fairly treated in the context of the legislation that we

have. I am looking forward because I anticipate this will happen. I am looking

forward to meeting the hon. member outside of the House as soon as Question

Period is over so that he can provide me in greater detail and with more

specific information on the situation he has raised. I undertake to look into

it, and to the extent that there is something we can do about it, if in fact we

can do anything, we will do it. If, in fact, it is a circumstance that is

outside of our control or that the circumstance of a particular person's

employment is not exactly as he portrays, we will confirm that that is the

situation.

In any event, I look forward to meeting him outside of the House. I ask him

to bring the information to me. I challenge him to do that, and I will give him,

again, the undertaking of yesterday, that we will do every due diligence to

anything that he brings forward in the interest, and the greater interest, of

the people of the Province, whether it is one individual or many individuals.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to conclude his answer.

MR. MATTHEWS: Our concern is singular and our concern is just as great,

on behalf of individuals, as it is the masses.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Another example - by the way, his office has been contacted by some of these

individuals, Mr. Speaker, as have opposition members on this side of the House.

He knows. The problem is you haven't been doing anything in the past!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. J. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, why is it that Newfoundland pipefitters are

being laid off when hours before they were laid off they were asked to work

overtime, and in the same week some fifteen workers, who appeared to be students

from outside this Province, were given orientation to do the commissioning work

which these local pipefitters could do? Minister, what are you going to do about

that example?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MATTHEWS: Mr. Speaker, if I heard the hon. member right, he said: the

minister knows and has been contacted about the situation.

AN HON. MEMBER: You are wrong.

MR. MATTHEWS: The hon. member said: the minister has been contacted and

he knows about the situation. I accept that he meant my office, and on that

basis I will not question him. But, I do want to say to him again, that if there

are circumstances and situations that I am not aware of, and that my officials

may or may not be aware of, not withstanding that, if there are specific

situations bring them forward and let me deal with them, or let the appropriate

department of government deal with them.

It is one thing, Mr. Speaker, to want to ask questions for purposes of

politics on the floor of the House, but the issue of employment for our people

and the people of this Province is too serious an issue, I say quite frankly, to

be playing politics with and to be trying to score political points on.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MATTHEWS: I would hope that the greater interest of the people of the

Province, whether it is one or more individuals, would be the overriding concern

for the hon. member and that he will do the proper thing by coming and seeing

me, as soon as he gets the opportunity -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister now to conclude his answer.

MR. MATTHEWS: - so that we can deal with things substantively, rather

than on the floor of the House politically.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

MR. J. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yes, Mr. Minister, this is a very serious issue and that is why it is back

here today. Yesterday, you were the one who said in this very House that this

was not happening, and that is why I am using these examples here today.

Mr. Speaker, why is it that in Newfoundland, an assistant life support

technician who is qualified, trained in England, worked at the site before, is

not hired this year, while people from outside the Province are working at the

same job? What are you, as minister, going to do about the situation? When are

you going to insist that the C-NOPB strictly enforce the benefit requirements of

the -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis. I ask him to get to his question.

MR. J. BYRNE: I will finish the question, Mr. Speaker.

When are you going to insist that the C-NOPB strictly enforce the benefit

requirements of the Atlantic Accord for Newfoundland workers and Newfoundland

businesses?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. MATTHEWS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

MR. MATTHEWS: Mr. Speaker, I heard the hon. member suggesting that we

should lighten up. This is too important an issue, I would suggest, to be light

about. This is too important an issue to make light of.

MR. J. BYRNE: A point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

On a point of order, the hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.

MR. J. BYRNE: Mr. Speaker, I know I should not be on a point of order in

Question Period, but the minister is deliberately misquoting me here. I was

referring to the members on the other side of the House making jokes about our

position (inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

There is no point of order.

The hon. the Minister of Mines and Energy.

MR. MATTHEWS: Mr. Speaker, to the hon. member's question - because it

is a rhetorical line of questioning and it is about the issue of whether or not

the benefits that should be accruing to the people of this Province on the basis

of employment opportunities and training opportunities are occurring - I say to

the hon. member that the C-NOPB, as per their mandate and as per the

jurisdiction that they have, are doing, as far as I know and in my judgement, an

appropriate level of enforcement and monitoring. If there are circumstances that

do not fit in the hon. member's mind within that scope of appropriateness,

then I would ask him again to come and see me and lay the information before me.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister now to conclude his answer.

MR. MATTHEWS: Mr. Speaker, he has never, ever in his life, taken the

opportunity to pick up the phone or come to my office on this particular issue.

In my previous portfolio, I would say that the hon.-

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister now to conclude his answer quickly.

MR. MATTHEWS: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

I would say this to the hon. member: To his credit, in previous portfolios

that I have had in this government in health, in works and services, and

particularly in municipal affairs, this hon. member did not find it very

difficult in coming to see me (inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister now to take his seat.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for The Straits & White Bay North.

MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Yesterday, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans in Ottawa announced the

northern shrimp management plan for 2001. As everyone knows by now, the Total

Allowable Catch for the northern shrimp will not change this year, despite

scientific advice that would allow a 20 per cent increase and despite the advice

of the industry for such an increase. Mr. Speaker, everyone suspects that the

decision was not made because of conservation reasons, but solely because of

political reasons and to avoid controversy in the Maritimes and Quebec as a

result of any increase.

Mr. Speaker, the FRCC, this morning, announced it recommendations on 2J+3KL

cod, a fishery of huge importance to the survival of our small boat fishermen.

On both of these important fisheries we find ourselves in a tragic situation

once again of praying to our Father, who art in heaven, to give us this day our

daily bread.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. member now to get to his question.

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, Mr. Speaker.

This is my question to the Minister of Fisheries: What does he plan to do

over the coming months to enable this Province, and the industry, to have more

input and influence on fishery policy decisions so that the right decisions can

be made for the right reasons and for the benefit of Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, I think this is too important an issue to the

people of Newfoundland and Labrador, rather than try and play cheap politics

with it here in the House of Assembly.

I have listened to the hon. member across the floor. Mr. Speaker, it has been

our position since 1989, it is our position today, and it will remain our

position, that the stocks adjacent to our shores should be for the benefit of

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: Mr. Speaker, that was our position, that is our position now,

and that will remain our position.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for The Straits &

White Bay North.

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, that might be their position, but they are doing

a poor job of relating it to Ottawa.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, the problem is that there is no strategy for the

industry in Newfoundland and Labrador.

Will the minister commit to the people of the Province that he and his

department will develop a strategy for this industry, one that can be presented

to the people as a plan that deals with regional disparities, one that provides

vision and stability, and one that can be presented to the federal minister as

the Province's position on the allocations of and access to fish resources off

our coast?

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

He talks about the adjacency principle. I stood in the House last week - the

hon. Member for Conception Bay South mentioned it last week. I asked the Member

for Ferryland if he agreed that all the fish caught on the Northern Peninsula

should stay on the Northern Peninsula. His answer to me was: I am not the

fisheries critic; I am the finance critic.

I asked the previous fisheries critic, from Bonavista South, if he agreed

with that principle. He said: I am no longer the fisheries critic. That is what

he said to me.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. REID: He talks about us not having any direction in where we are

going. Yes, Mr. Speaker, we do have direction. We know where we are headed in

this fishery. We have also made numerous representations to the federal minister

on what he should do with the shrimp resource.

I made at least five, six or seven of those, that we should have had the

increase in the northern shrimp allocation by the 20 per cent that the

scientists recommended yesterday. I have relayed that to Ottawa time and time

again.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Health and Community Services.

As the minister is aware, police lock-ups are now used to detain people under

the Mental Health Act, because of the absence of proper short-stay psychiatric

facilities.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. COLLINS: A proposal was made by mental health advocates to renovate

the space at the Waterford Hospital, but no money was budgeted to address the

problem. This is happening in many areas of the Province, Mr. Speaker, including

Labrador, where people suffering a mental health crisis are, in some cases, left

for several days in police lock-ups until they can be transported to St. John's

for psychiatric assessment. I ask the minister how his government is planning to

deal with this very important issue?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources and Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the hon. member for that question, which certainly touches on a very

important issue, an issue that is important, as he has pointed out, to all the

people of this Province.

Indeed we, as a government - it is a issue that we are concerned about and it

is an issue that we are looking at closely. When we sit down as a government,

and as the officials of my department sit down and look at establishing the

priorities for our department, I think first and foremost what we have to

recognize - all of us in this hon. House, and I am sure the people of this

Province - is that this government has always made health care a number one

priority. The fact that this year we have committed $1.4 billion speaks to the

commitment that this government has to health care for the people of this

Province. Certainly, in the area of mental health, as the hon. member has

pointed to, we recognize there are still some needs there and we are working and

moving towards resolving those in the very near future.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: A supplementary, the hon. the Member for Labrador West.

MR. COLLINS: Mr. Speaker, hospital emergency rooms are not staffed in a

manner that will provide the supervision and security needed in situations where

an individual is detained under the Mental Health Act. Even the Royal

Newfoundland Constabulary Association opposes the use of lockups, saying people

waiting for an assessment need to be looked at by a regular psychiatric

physician or nurse. I ask the minister: How long would a wrong facility be used

to hold people waiting for treatment of mental illness, and when will this

government make this a priority?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources and Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SMITH: Mr. Speaker, I apologize to the hon. member for my

thoroughness in the first answer, because obviously I answered his supplementary

in my initial response.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bonavista South.

MR. FITZGERALD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will wrap my questions up into one. My question is for the Minister of

Intergovernmental Affairs. The Premier stood here yesterday and talked about the

wonderful job the minister did in getting the right line in the Laurentian

Sub-basin, so we came out a winner.

I would like to ask the minister what is involved, and if he has being

representing the views of the people of this Province on gun control

registration? Number one, I would like to ask the minister if he has held public

consultation? Number two, I would like to ask him what the feedback is? Number

three, I would like to ask him, if it is not the wish of the people in this

Province to have gun control registration then why should it be the wish of the

government of this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for that very important

question, a very urgent question of public urgency, and to say to him that the

Department of Intergovernmental Affairs is making every effort that it can to

work in this area. This department is never found wanting in any area in which

it is supposed to be engaged. Never found wanting, Mr. Speaker!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: Busily, enthusiastically and eagerly working for the people of

Newfoundland and Labrador to try and improve their lot in life; and if that

involves gun control, we are there!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Question Period has ended.

MR. LUSH: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

On a point of order, the hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, I think this is an appropriate time to stand on

this point of order, this being the last day. We hope that members will get

geared up for the next session.

I have noticed, particularly in the last little while, many members breaching

the rules of Question Period. The rules that we have made, and that is what

makes it so important. Hon. members may not know, but one of the most serious

things that we can do is breach the rules of parliament. Why? Because we are the

people who made them. We are the people who make the rules of parliament. There

can be no more dishonour to a parliamentary institution then for its own members

to break the laws that we, ourselves, have imposed upon ourselves.

I just want to very quickly say, Mr. Speaker, one of the most important

principles in Question Period - and a lot of members might not know it - is

brevity, being brief, and not using

preambles. Some of the rules re Question

Period - this is very important -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. LUSH: Maybe if the hon. member would listen, he might know more of

the rules.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, some of the rules regarding Question Period have

fallen into dispute, particularly since we are having television. But, one of

the rules which never has fallen - which is as current as lunch an hour ago. I

quote for hon. members from Marleau and Montpetit, the 2000 edition. He is

drawing on a ruling made by Speaker Jerome. He says: "Mr. Speaker Jerome,

in his statement 11 years ago, put his view with regard to the first principle

of brevity so well that I would merely quote it: There can be no doubt that the

greatest enemy of the Question Period is the Member who offends this most

important principle. In putting the original question on any subject, a Member

may require an explanatory remark, but there is no reason for such a

preamble to

exceed one, carefully drawn sentence." In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, he says:

"It is my proposal to ask all Hon. Members to pay close attention to this

admonition and to bring them to order if they fail to do so. It bears repeating

that the long

preamble..." and I am reading this, Mr. Speaker, because -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. LUSH: "It bears repeating..." -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. LUSH: It is no wonder hon. members, Mr. Speaker, do not know the

rules because they do not want to listen to them. I am finishing this -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, it says: "It bears repeating that the long

preamble or long question takes an unfair share of the time, and

invariably..." - very important - "...in provoking the same kind of

response, only compounds the difficulty."

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, this long

preamble is spreading right throughout

the whole group over there. What they are doing is debating questions. There is

not one answer but they are sneaking in a debate. Question Period is not for

debate and if hon. members do not follow the rules of Question Period and other

rules, this House will fall into disrepute very quickly!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The minister made certain points that may have a degree of validity but I

want to say that he does not add any credence to it when he takes five minutes

out of six for the

preamble - to spend one minute getting to tell us what

brevity is. I think that is part of our problem here in the House.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

To the point of order, it is indeed a very important point that the hon.

member has raised. The Chair has, from time to time, reminded members and have

interrupted members that their questions have been lengthy, that

preambles for

supplementary questions ought not to be - there ought not to be any

preamble but

the Chair has allowed a sentence or two for members to get to their questions

and to explain their questions but, again, questions have been lengthy. That is

why the Chair interrupts and asks members to get to their question. Likewise, of

course, answers have been lengthy and the Chair has interrupted members when

they are responding. I think with the event of television, we ought to probably

get together at some point in time and look at some of the other things that we

may want to do with regard to Question Period and other activities in the House.

Again, it is a very important point that he has raised. I think we all should

reflect on it and consider it, and the Chair will be dealing with it further in

the fall before we return.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. Barbe.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. YOUNG: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am presenting a petition signed by residents on the Great Northern

Peninsula.

To the hon. House of Assembly of Newfoundland and Labrador, in the

legislative session convened, the petition of the undersigned residents of the

Great Northern Peninsula;

WHEREAS many fish processing plants on the Great Northern Peninsula are not

able to access raw resources harvested in waters adjacent to this coast;

WHEREFORE your petitioners urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador:

(1) to put in place a true adjacency plan that will see processing plants on the

Northern Peninsula have priority access to the raw resources harvested in waters

respecting the principle of adjacency, as in duty bound your petitioners will

ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, I have presented a petition of behalf of the people of Black

Duck Cove before. In presenting this petition, I would like to make a couple of

other points that the people of Black Duck Cove feel very strongly about.

The Minister of Fisheries has said there is more shrimp being trucked to the

Northern Peninsula for processing than is being trucked off, yet residents who

are blocking the roads on the Northern Peninsula today have yet to stop one

truck load of shrimp which has not been landed on the Northern Peninsula.

Mr. Speaker, the people of the Northern Peninsula look at Labrador and

observe that there exists a plan for the resources adjacent to Labrador to be

managed for the benefit of the people of Labrador.

In all fairness, Mr. Speaker, the people of Black Duck Cove are asking this

government to put a plan in place for them also; a plan which will ensure that

the resources adjacent to the Northern Peninsula be used for the benefit of the

residents of the Northern Peninsula. The people of Black Duck Cove are asking

for a plan where they will not have to witness trucking out of unprocessed fish

on such a scale as has never before in this Province while fish plants on the

Northern Peninsula sit idle.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for St. John's South.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I have today another petition on behalf of the residents of Shea Heights who

wish to petition the Minister of Municipal Affairs regarding the need for

wheelchair accessible housing units in that neighborhood. I will read the pray

of the petition:

We, the residents of Shea Heights, wish to petition the hon. House of

Assembly to address the need for wheelchair accessible housing units in the Shea

Heights area. We are asking the government to consider the fact that people with

disabilities and their families need to be able to utilize the support of family

and friends within the community of Shea Heights. If persons are forced to live

in units outside the community it compromises the help and support families so

vitally need. We are asking that serious consideration be given to the

construction of wheelchair accessible units in the Shea Heights area so families

with physical disabilities may avail of essential support networks.

Mr. Speaker, I have presented a number of petitions over the past several

months on this very issue. I have spoken on this issue in the House on a number

of occasions. The importance of the issue is just as important today as it was

six months ago, when I presented the first petition on this particular issue.

The residents of the community of Shea Heights need to stay in that area where

they are close to family and friends, and people who they can rely on to help in

times of need. The people in the community of Shea Heights, the residents of

Shea Heights, who are confined to wheelchairs, are asking very simply that

government put a number of wheelchair accessible housing units within that

community so that the residents of that area, the residents of Shea Heights, can

remain in their community, the community in which they grew up, in which their

family and friends reside, in which they want to stay.

The very fact, Mr. Speaker, that the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing list

in the Shea Heights area is one of the areas that is perhaps in most demand

throughout the entire Province speaks to the fact that people wish to stay in

the community of Shea Heights. It is a community, Mr. Speaker, that is comprised

of approximately 1,800 people. It is one of the largest communities in the

Province, although it is a part of the City of St. John's. It is a very large

neighborhood and the people of that neighborhood, the residents of the community

wish to remain in the area of Shea Heights.

I am speaking on their behalf today, as I have on a number of occasions in

the past, to ask that the government give very serious consideration to allowing

the residents of Shea Heights to remain within their community where they have

family and friends, and where they can more easily access the help that they so

vitally need.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: Before I recognize the hon. Government House Leader,

yesterday the Chair of Committees reported to the House that there were a number

of amendments to bills. We did not complete that process. We did not read the

amendments the first and second time, so with the indulgence of members I would

like to revert to the report of yesterday and have the first and second reading

of the amendments. That is the normal process but we did not complete it

yesterday.

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible) so what are we supposed to do?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. member reported the amendments and we accepted the

report. Following that, we should have -

AN HON. MEMBER: Voted.

MR. SPEAKER: Yes, we should have voted on first and second reading of the

amendments.

AN HON. MEMBER: Of the amendments.

MR. SPEAKER: Yes, the amendments only, and we did not do that.

MR. SULLIVAN: So we will revert and do that now?

MR. SPEAKER: Yes, I am just asking to call the amendments now. I am

asking to call the amendments for the first -

AN HON. MEMBER: (Inaudible).

On motion, amendments to Bills 4, 7 and 10 read a first and second time,

bills ordered read a third time presently, by leave.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, Orders 3 through 11, third reading of Bills 5, 6,

13, 15, 11, 1, 14, 12 and 16.

On motion, the following bills read a third time, ordered passed and their

titles be as on the Order Paper:

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Prepaid Funeral Services Act." (Bill

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000." (Bill 6)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Liquor Corporation Act." (Bill 13)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Aquaculture Act." (Bill 15)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Chiropractors Act, The Dieticians Act, the

Pharmaceutical Association Act, 1994 And The Social Workers Association

Act." (Bill 11)

A bill, "An Act To Establish The Order Of Newfoundland And

Labrador." (Bill 1)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991." (Bill 14)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Medical Act And The Medical Care Insurance

Act, 1999." (Bill 12)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Workplace Health, Safety And Compensation

Act And The Occupational Health And Safety Act." (Bill 16)

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, Order 12, third reading of Bill 17.

MR. SPEAKER: Order 12, third reading of Bill 17,

An Act To Amend The

Financial Administration Act.

The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. SULLIVAN: Mr. Speaker, I just have a brief comment on this one.

I said before that the reason this bill should not have ever been here, that

we should not have had the Health Care Corporation borrowing $130 million. It is

a capital expenditure, it is paid out of this Province, it is funded out of this

Province, and it should be on the books of this Province and not transferred out

to the books of the Health Care Corporation. Now, they have to come back to us

and look at dealing with the debt management of that debt now, when it should

not have been there in the first place.

That is a piece of legislation that should not have had to take place. It is

a waste of time having the events that made it necessary to take place.

Therefore, we should not have had the time here in the House to have to even

deal with this. It should have been done in the beginning as we do with other

expenditures of government. If we are out there building hospitals in other

parts of the Province and we are funding these, we funded these out of the

provincial government Treasury and so on. We carry on our books a lot of

expenditures in the past. Why are we now reverting to transferring the cost of

these on the Health Care Corporation?

It wasn't necessary. It does not complement a policy that government has

moved in the past. It is done so we can transfer out and look at $130 million

less debt showing up on the books of our Province. You certainly do not hide it

on bond rating agencies, because they look at contingent liabilities and all

other debts pertaining to your Province. I don't see any reason for doing it.

Why were there events that necessitated this here in the first place?

MR. SPEAKER (Mercer) : The hon. the Minister of Finance.

MS J.M. AYLWARD: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As I have explained to the member opposite in a private conversation when the

bill was being introduced for the second reading, the reason we are doing this

is because the expertise for managing such a large amount of money rests with

the government's trustees, and for that reason it was thought to be in the

best interest of the Health Care Corporation. Also, it was a recommendation that

they made to us to ask for our assistance in managing the debt and the debt

management.

Mr. Speaker, that is why we did it. We don't have the ability to do that

without providing the legislative changes required through this House of

Assembly. That is why the proposed changes came forward, to allow us to manage

the $130 million debt that, admittedly, is on the books; however, we also know

that it is there for all to see, whether it be the Auditor General or through

any other reporting mechanism to the House.

MR. SULLIVAN: (Inaudible).

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

Before I recognize the member, could I ask the members to my left to keep it

down. There are those of us who are listening to the debate. If they wish to

have a chat amongst themselves, perhaps they should remove themselves outside

the Chamber.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I just want to make sure on a point that the minister must have understand

what I said, because in previous readings of this bill, I made it quite clear

and I indicated that I am not opposed to the Province handling debt management.

That is where is should be handled in the first place. It should have never been

gone to the boards. Why should they be entrusted with that? If they did not have

the loan on their books, they would not have to do the debt management. I

support the bill, but the events that led to having to bring this bill in, in

the first place, should never have been.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, Orders 12 through 20, third reading of Bills 17,

18, 19, 8, 20, 9, 4, 7 and 10.

On motion, the following bills read a third time, ordered passed and their

titles be as on the Order Paper:

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act." (Bill

17)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Labour Relations Act." (Bill 18)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Shops' Closing Act." (Bill 19)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Schools Act, l997." (Bill 8)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991 No. 2."

(Bill 20)

A bill, "An Act To Provide For The Recovery Of Tobacco Related Health

Care Costs." (Bill 9)

A bill, "An Act Respecting Petroleum Products." (Bill 4)

A bill, "An Act Respecting Municipal Elections." (Bill 7)

A bill, "An Act Respecting The Appointment Of A Citizens'

Representative For The Province Who Shall Have The Powers Traditionally

Conferred On An Ombudsman." (Bill 10)

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, I want to make sure that we have all of the

legislation done. Can somebody verify that we have everything done, Orders 1-20,

that we have not missed any.

MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, sir, I can verify that now.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, with that done I will ask hon. members if they

would agree to recess for half an hour or thereabouts, we will call members.

Will we ring the bells or will they come back at 3:30?

AN HON. MEMBER: Ring the bells.

MR. LUSH: We will ring the bells when His Honour is here.

MR. SPEAKER: This House is now in recess.

Recess

MR. SPEAKER (Snow): Order, please!

SERGEANT-AT-ARMS: His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor has arrived.

MR. SPEAKER: Admit His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor.

Mr. Speaker leaves the Chair.

His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor takes the Chair.

SERGEANT-AT-ARMS: It is the wish of His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor

that all present please be seated.

MR. SPEAKER: It is my agreeable duty on behalf of her Majesty's dutiful

and loyal subjects, Her faithful Commons in Newfoundland and Labrador, to

present to Your Honour a bill for the appropriation of Supply granted in the

present session.

CLERK: A bill, "An Act For Granting To Her Majesty Certain Sums Of

Money For Defraying Certain Expenses Of the Public Service For The Financial

Year Ending March 31, 2002 And For Other Purposes Relating To The Public

Service." (Bill 3)

HIS HONOUR THE LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR (A.M. House): In Her Majesty's name,

I thank Her Loyal Subjects, I accept their benevolence, and I assent to this

bill.

MR. SPEAKER: May it please Your Honour, the General Assembly of the

Province has at its present session passed certain bills, to which, in the name

and on behalf of the General Assembly I respectfully request Your Honour's

assent.

CLERK: A bill, "An Act To Amend The Prepaid Funeral Services

Act." (Bill 5)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, 2000." (Bill 6)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Liquor Corporation Act." (Bill 13)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Aquaculture Act." (Bill 15)

A bill, "An Act To Establish The Order Of Newfoundland And

Labrador." (Bill 1)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Chiropractors Act, the Dieticians Act, The

Pharmaceutical Association Act, 1994 And The Social Workers Association

Act." (Bill 11)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991." (Bill 14)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Medical Act And The Medical Care Insurance

Act, 1999." (Bill 12)

A bill, "An Act

An Act To Amend The Workplace Health, Safety And

Compensation Act And The Occupational Health And Safety Act." (Bill 16)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act." (Bill

17)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Labour Relations Act." (Bill 18)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Shops' Closing Act." (Bill 19)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Schools Act, 1997." (Bill 8)

A bill, "An Act To Amend The Provincial Court Act, 1991 No. 2."

(Bill 20)

A bill, "An Act To Provide For The Recovery Of Tobacco Related Health

Care Costs." (Bill 9)

A bill, "An Act Respecting Petroleum Products." (Bill 4)

A bill, "An Act Respecting Municipal Elections." (Bill 7)

A bill, "An Act Respecting The Appointment Of A Citizens'

Representative For The Province Who Shall Have The Powers Traditionally

Conferred On An Ombudsman." (Bill 10)

HIS HONOUR THE LIEUTENANT-GOVERNOR: In Her Majesty's name, I assent to

these bills.

His Honour the Lieutenant-Governor leaves the Chamber.

Mr. Speaker returns to the Chair.

MR. SPEAKER (Snow): Order, please!

The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I just wanted to make a few brief comments in line with what the Government

House Leader was talking to us about earlier on a point of order. I will try not

to belabor the issue, but to take a minute to thank all hon. members for their

full participation and cooperation during this session, that we are very proud,

on this side of the House, to have participated in. With respect to passing a

Budget for the year, in which we were pleased to see no questions from the

Opposition with respect to the Budget, because they could not find anything to

criticize. They didn't want to praise it up so they decided not to mention it.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Mr. Speaker, interestingly enough, earlier today outside

the Legislature, in speaking to the media, they admitted themselves that they

did not even have any questions about it. They just asked: Can you do it next

year? Which is a wonderful endorsement by itself.

We are proud of the initiatives that were supported by all parties in terms

of passing the Budget: the K-12 initiatives with the teachers for another year,

with no reductions; the funding for the per-pupil grants, that there will

hopefully be less fundraising on behalf of students, very important initiatives;

the post-secondary issues to relieve student debt; the idea of having lower

tuitions at the University; the additional money in health care, $50 million for

the boards themselves, the institutional boards; additional increases for home

support workers is critically important; the raises that were supported here by

all members, long overdue and much deserved for our public servants.

Unfortunately, we had an interruption for a week.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Mr. Speaker, with all due attention given to that, I do

appreciate the examination that was given in the Committee stage and all the

work that was done in giving a full review, seriously, to the Budget. Then, on

top of that, the attention that all members paid to scrutinizing what would be,

under any normal set of circumstances, a legislative agenda that would probably

fill up a full fall session. To do that on top of a full Budget examination is

certainly very much appreciated by the government, and we do respect the full

scrutiny that was given by the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER GRIMES: Mr. Speaker, we are proud to have participated in this

particular session, as a government, with some of the bills that were named by

the Clerk and signed by His Honor today. We appreciate his attendance. I know

that the Member for Bonavista South is glad that he was here, as well, along

with all the rest of us.

Mr. Speaker, issues that are long overdue in Newfoundland and Labrador, like:

the Order of Newfoundland and Labrador; the Citizens' Representative, or the

Ombudsman, as people would commonly refer to it; the education accountability

piece, in line with what the Auditor General is recommending to the government;

changes, significant changes, to workers' compensation to ensure that the

system provides the protection it needs for injured workers; changes to the

Labour Relations Act, significant, to give us a better, stronger environment to

move forward with development here in Newfoundland and Labrador; the tobacco

recovery legislation, just to name a few. So, it was quite an active session.

It was a little surprise, just on one account, to see the Opposition vote

against the fuel price regulation, the petroleum pricing piece of legislation.

Because my recollection, having been the minister, was that when I was the

minister and saying no, my recollection, unless I missed it altogether, is that

they were up asking, why were we not doing something, and even presenting

petitions on behalf of people who wanted regulation, Mr. Speaker. Then, a couple

of years later, we find them voting against this particular piece.

Mr. Speaker, we do appreciate the full scrutiny and attention paid. It has

been a very useful and productive sitting and session of the Legislature. I want

to commend, just in case we do not see the Leader of the Opposition in that

particular seat in the fall, to thank him again for his tenacious questioning of

the government on behalf of the Opposition, particularly as the Opposition

Leader, because I understand his wish, which he stated over a year ago, was to

get out of that job and do something else. We will see whether or not that

happens between now and next fall.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. E. BYRNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to join with the Premier -

MR. BARRETT: Do you have a CD for us today?

MR. E. BYRNE: No, but if you would like one, just put in your request,

Percy, and we will accommodate you some time in 2010.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I want to make a couple of comments on what the Premier said. We made a

commitment at the Throne Speech, publicly, that we would not be obstructionist

for the sake of being so, that we would not hold up legislation if we agreed

with it. It think the record bears out that we did not do that. The record also

bears out that where we felt strongly about certain pieces of legislation, we

worked to try to achieve some consensus, and I think we did. Those pieces that

we disagreed with, we stood in our places and disagreed with them.

On the issue with petroleum products, to remind the Premier - he said maybe

it is his recollection; I can assure him that it is - that our position has been

that if we want relief and lower gas prices, that regulation would not

accomplish that. That was our belief and it still is. That is why we voted

against the bill.

On a much lighter note, I want to say to the Premier: In 1993, when I first

came here, I was given the task of being his critic when he was the Minister of

Employment and Labour, and I have questioned him for eight years on a variety of

matters. A number of times we have asked for by-elections to be called, and he

has given us no answers on that. I am going to make a personal appeal to him, a

personal appeal to the Premier of the Province: Look, you once said that there

are only forty-eight of us here. For the love of God, I have been

eleven-and-a-half months trying to get out of this job. If, for no other reason,

will you call it for that reason alone, Premier?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, before -

AN HON. MEMBER: Keep your hands in your pockets.

MR. LUSH: I have them in my own pocket, thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: And that is where they will remain.

Mr. Speaker, before introducing the motion, I just want to again thank hon.

members for their cooperation in what, in my view, was a very productive

session, both from the point of view of the Budget and the legislation.

I have one regret - just one. I have not made a lot of it, and I do not

intend to, but I have one regret, and that is that we did not meet the

parliamentary calendar. Most members will know that my yen is to carry out the

rules of the House because, as I indicated earlier, we make the rules. When we

make the rules there is an onus on us to carry them out.

Mr. Speaker, I did my very best to cooperate, to ensure that we met the

calendar but we were walking in unchartered waters. It was the first time that

we had done it. We did it in the fall but we did not have a Budget; I realize

that. We did it in the spring with a Budget and with a very heavy agenda. So, it

wasn't unreasonable to think that we might go a day or two over. I am just

advising hon. members opposite, in the future we ought to aim to abide by the

parliamentary calendar. I do not say tit-for-tat because it was done this time

now that we are going to do something the next time. That is not the way it

works. We will work as hard as we can to abide by the parliamentary calendar

because they are rules that we have made to govern our lives here in this House.

Mr. Speaker, having said that, I want to wish all hon. members a happy break.

I don't know what things will go on during that break but I am sure there will

be lots of work. I look forward to carrying out my activities over the next

little while, to do the work for the benefit of the Member for Bonavista South

that the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs is supposed to do; did not have

time to do in this session but will get them done during the summer.

Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the staff for the great work that they have

done.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: I thank the pages for their jobs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: I thank the Sergeant-at-Arms (inaudible).

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: All the people in Hansard, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: Also, of course, the news media up there.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: Leaving as I thank them; and all the people who come to the

galleries to see us -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. LUSH: - to witness, Mr. Speaker, the greatest event in the land.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I will concede the floor to my hon. colleague, for

the moment.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

On behalf of the Opposition we certainly echo thank yous that the House

Leader has done. I will not repeat all of these.

We, too, believe in conforming to a parliamentary calendar. In fact, as

indicated too, we felt we have done our

part in that, and the House Leader would

know that we were sure that two weeks before we would have all the bills so we

could have an opportunity to look at them. We had over twenty bills. Nineteen

went through and got royal assent here today; nineteen of those bills and supply

bills earlier, and Interim Supply. We have dealt with over twenty bills here in

this House in a short period of time, some of which we only had two and three

days notice before we discussed them.

I think we can conform to a parliamentary calendar, and it is imperative that

we have access to legislation. I know it is difficult for the House Leader to

get legislation from ministers on times. I know that may be difficult, but is

difficult for us to deal with legislation on two and three days notice. We need

to look at them. We need to research them. We need to look at whether it is

flawed, because too often we see legislation back here in this House in the

fall, in the following year to make amendments that we talked about in the very

first place. That would permit a smooth flow of legislation through this House

and it would facilitate in keeping with a parliamentary calender.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. LUSH: Mr. Speaker, it is moved that this House adjourn and stands

adjourned until the call of the Chair. The Speaker, or in his or her absence

from the Province, the Deputy Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House

shall meet at the time stated and dated by the notice of the proposed sitting.

It is moved, Mr. Speaker, that this House do now adjourn.

On motion, the House at its rising adjourned until the call of the Chair.

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