Volume XL Friday Province of Newfoundland FORTIETH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NEWFOUNDLAND Fourth Session VERBATIM REPORT {Hansard) Speaker: Honourable P.J. McNicholas Number 26 29 April 1988

T h r.:1 House met at 10 : 00 a . m . Ml~. SPEAI<EI~ (McN_if hol a~;_)_ : 0 r· d e r· , p 1 e a s e ! Statements by Ministers MS V F Rc;:::: M1~. ~1pr.:1aker . Ml~. SPF.:AI<ER: The hon . thE! Mtn:isb:lr of Jus ·ttce . SOME HON. 'MEMBERS: lic,Hl.r, hear! MS VERGE: Mr . Speaker, Maxim Maiumdar, who d "i.Nl yest:er·day ctt the iJ.9E:1 of l:.hj rty- .. ·six, made an E!Xtraordtnary c o n !-: r i b u t :i o n t o 1:". h e a r t. "i. s l:: ·i. c 1. oi:F e of Newfoundland and Labrador. His legacy includes the Stephenvi.lle FE:1sL"i. val., t.:he Provincial Drama Academy, theatre in l.he schools and Th<;!al:r<'!

NetAifoundJ.and and Labrador, alJ. of tJJh -i ch he foundC'!d ·in L9'79 Rnd :i.l'lspir'E:1d and gu:l.ded in the ninE! YE!di"S s ·i ncc:~ . Undr.:1r Mr. Mazurndr:lr 1 s ar··t-:i r. t'.i.c di.recU.on and p OI~IE! Y' 1::-U l Cheryl ~3 l:. "~ g g ' s for c: (o! r::-ul i'l d rn -i. n i s 1: r· a L ·i.

l) c J.eadership, the Stephenville FE!SLival hr~s g ·i.lH!I'l ni:!IJI di.rncn1s ·i.ons "1-o "1-heatr·e in our Pr·ovincr:1. Each S 1.1 rnrn e r· t he (' e s L i val has p r· o d u cEO! d sovera] plays and shotAIS in a c o n c (,1 n t·. r a 1: E! d p E! r i . o d o ,- c r· 1':1 a 1: i. tH~ activity . r-'lr.

Mazumdar· brought. together at Sl:ephenville for the festival and the Associ.ated Provi .nc :i.al Drc:una AcadE!InY art.·i.sts at diffE!rE!nt. stages of their development:, some seasoned professionals, even celebrities stJch as Gor·don Pi.ns e nt., LhP l.al ·:r.:' John Gilptn and Er:Lc BE!ntJ.ey, othE!rS st.r"i.v"i.ng to rnal<e a car~H'!r 1..1.335 April 29, 1988 VoJ. XL tn thE:'atre•, and sUJ.l othE!r E!ag(:!r .~unal·.etH'S l·.her·e jusl ~ 7 ol~ the sl·1e~!r love of it. Mr.

Mazumdar got t.he most. fr·orn tht:=! f c:: s 1·. -i val. corn p d n y ,.,, n cl 1:. o get: her· 1.. h ,,,, y gave audiences brilliant pei~For·rnanc:es. l'-1r· . rJii"\XUIJidar I s OIJ.IJ'l masterful performances will be l : t"E!aSui~c,~d in Lhe mumo;"-l.c~s of !:hosE! of us fort.tHlc'l"l:E! E!ttough to haVE! I:H:,en l:hF.!ri:~. The StephenvilJ.e FesU.vaJ. ha~'; 1·. 0 U r·· i:~ d i 0 0 l.: hI'~ Y' C i:Hlll" E! S 0 f 0 U r ProvinCE! and East.E!rn Canada and lo !:".he Edinburgh Fringe Festival. FoJ.lowing thE!

SurnrnE!r act.ivi.U.E!S, sel.ecl members of the festtu.'ll company have mounted theatre in the schools, assisted by l:.he Department of Education. The schooJ.s t".otJr, f c,,a l':tu· ·ing matel":laJ. from the curriculum, has reached thousands of students a l l around our Province J.n small and iso1atE!d c o rnrn u n :i. +. i. e s , as tAl E:1 J. l. a s L he I'll a i n centres. Mr. Mazumdar himsE•1f was do -i. n g 1: hE:~ s c h o o l. 1 s L o tJ r· L h ·is y ear and was in StephE!nvj.llE! working on ·it: jus!.: Lhr· ee t~li: '!t::!ks dgo t)Jhen he'• bE!Came i11. The at r E!

N E:11Aif o u n d 1 and an cl L. a brad o1~ , o;~ I"NI., 1~1h·i ch Mr·. M.~ut.rmdi.'tr s t·.ar~ Led 'in thE! Fall of 1979, ·.is notAl a lJ i. I . ·~ l for· c" e 1 c d by Ed r n u n d M c L. C:'! d n as artistic d:i. r·ector. Ml~. Mci..E!i:H1 rHld TNI . lrlA"i.l'lhri . ned a cl.OSI:! a s s o cia t. i o n tJ.Ji t h M r . M a z urn d a r a n d clr'(:1tJJ from hLs c;!ner"gy and h'i.s E!Xper:i.ence. Edmund McLE,an :is one of mr~ny of the arti.s l:s in our Pl"ovinCE! who tJJas, and wi11 conl:'i.nue to be, inspired and energized by Mr. Mazurndar. Mr.

Maz urnda r had an a1r1cai ng range of talent, acting, s-inging, dtrecting, writing, adjud:i.cating, LE:~ach"i.ng and pl~omot-. "i.n lj, combined w:i. t:. h an ex c E! p U. on a J. capac i l y for work. He constantly pushed No. 26 Rl.33~)

h·i.rnselF ;;1nd !:. he r' <"''Ul i<· t·hc' otJtput and t. hlC> a c co ;,;'plis-'1-;men l~s ;· i.'lre s Lagg c:!r·i ng . liE'! Ci:'IITIE! l:o our Prov -L nce r ·ir·sl: ·in 1976 CHI an tntE!rnaU .onaJ. tour of 11 0scar· RE~mernbE!rC;!d, 11 a CHH:~-rni'ln play he had writt.E!n and publish(':~d in book for·rn and had prl,HniE!r·c;!d R L the Stratford Festival in 1975 at agE! 21. He returned as the adjudicator for the Provincial Drama Festivals in 1978 and 1979. The 1979 Drama Fest.:ival 1~1as tn Stephenville and it '"'as thE!re that he conceived the improbable idea of a Stephenville Festival.

To quote from a song t:ha 1:: he sang so pot.~JerfulJ.y in 11 Man of Larnancha 11 , Max i HI Ma -~ u rnd r.1 r· 1 s g l'! n i. 1.1 s ., a y no L i. n drc"~aming :irnpossi.b1e dr·earns, but in t r· i'l n s l d 1". t n 9 ~l'i. s d r (~ r:~ 111 s i. n i: o l"eali'ty and transfor·rn:ing our IAIO r• 1. d !) . Mr·. Speal<er, r kno1.~, 1uernbers t.~r:i.ll 1.1.1ant to II on our s C:! n d mess e1 g t:1 s on behalf of all of all have hon. Your of sympdl:hy us to Mr·. Mazurndr:~l~ 1 s br·o Uwr, Mr:·1x M;:uLIIIIdi'H' in Mor1treaJ, and to Cheryl St.agg of the Stephenville Festi.val and Edmund Mclean of TNL.. Ms Stagg and Mr.

Mc:Lr:1an we1~e IAI'i.th Mr. Mazumdar in hospital during the past !Meek . In addi.tJ.on, Mr. Speaker, all. of us must. resolve to give strongE!r support to the arts tn our Province so that Maxim Mazumdar 1 s lE;gacy i.s pt~c,:se:•rvE!d and cul Li vRt.od. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, hc:!ar! MR . K. AYLWARD: Mr. Spl'~aker . Ml~. SPEAKLR : 1 hE:! hCHI . For S 1". t'! p h o n tJ i. 1. 1. e _ L 1336 Apr·il 29, 1.988 UoJ. XL Ml~. 1<. (lYI.WAfW: Thank you, Mr. SpE!akE!Y' . I 1..1.1 0 I~ 1 d 1 J k E! t 0 t. h a n k t. h E! M '.i n :i S 1:".

E! r· of J U S 1.: -j C E• ;:Hl d I. he A 1:. ~: 0 I" i'l e y GenE!raJ. (Ms UE!rgE!) on hE!r statumE!nl: on Mr. Maz1Hndar. Obviously tlds statE•ITlen 1:. recogn i zes the ab"i.J.it tes and contrtbution of a f"ine gE!ntlE!rnan :in the arts in thjs Province, specifically the Stephenville Festival.. As Lhe representative for StE!phenville I have watchE!d i:.he gentl.(':11nan for years contrtbtJh:~ a great deal and put Stephenvi.llE! on the:~ rnr.~p na ttonally -Ln thE! al"ts community. He has bE!EHl an ambas sr.tdor i'U1d promot< '! r of ar·t :s for the Province.

The outlinE! hE!rC:1 of sorne of' h:.Ls Rccompli.shlnNlts 1 ·. (~1 . 1 s i:-111. of liS t n this HOUSE! thE:! rnagn].f'JcE!I 'lL con 1·.1~i. bu L Lon he,~ rnr.·1c:lr"!. HE! CE:1rt:ai.nJ.y had a lot of enet~gy and 1.11as a11~.Ji'1YS pt.lsh ·ing Lhe r.1r·ts, no!:: only IAdth"in t.hE! ProvinCE! and ~~Jit·.h·in l:hr:! Hd1111-. popul.at.i.on, b1Jt. as it: points out h e re, in th e school. sysl": .E! ITIS, IAIOI"k·:i.nq IAril . h !::hE!

DepartrnE!nt of Educati.on. day for UlE! peoplE! of and :i.nclol'!d of !·.:he He made a big -L n 1na n y IAJa y s . the Stephenville It t s a sad Stephenv i.11e Province. contribu t:.-i.on Hopetully Fc-:1st"i.l1al memory. IAI:i 1. J. C 0 n t. :i l'l I J E:! ·in h :iS It is our Tenth AnniVE!r'ScH'Y thi s SurmnE!r. r iAIOIJld hopE! that: Lhis would bE! a tributE! to h:i.rn and IAJ E~ 1.11 L 1.1. set:~ rna n y y (':1 a r s , in 1:". he future, for the Festtval and i n d E! E! d 1·:. h t:1 o l: h e r f ~~ s l.: -;_ v a 1. s t:. h 1.'1 t:. h E! has crE!ated . He has J.e!ft. a l.E!gacy.

Wl'1 look fori•Ji:-lr·cl l.·.o l:.l'lE! future because of his past energy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker . No. 26 R1336

SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hear, hE!ar! MR. FENWJCK: Mr·. Spc;!RbH·· . MR. SPFAKFR: Thr,,l1o~he JnE!mbc,~r· for Moni .hc:!k . MR. FENWICK : Mr. Speaker, it is often sur'PI"·i.s ·i ng l·o sc,H! I he i nfl.ttencc r.l s:i ng] E~ :indiutdual has. J th:i nk tAJe C<Hl <:oJ.I: l:r·i bu le I he Si c~phenu·i .. ,., e Ft1!;Yiual and the Dr·ama Academy in Sieph(~nui.-11~.:~ 1-o Maxi tn Mazumdi'H'. [n l:er'HlS of i'ln "i.nFl.ltencc-?. on my ot~tn fetmily, his influence has bE!en groal :. Bol.:h my oldest: daughl:c:~r and my oldest son are graduates of the Sl:.E!phenui .ll.E!

Dra111a Fc,,st ·i.ual, indeed, I th:l nk ti'JE! expE!rienCE! l:. h C.;! r e IAJi 11 shape t h cdr l i. u c-?. s for thE! futurE!. My son this weE!kE!nd 'is -i.n t:hE! h-i.gh school dr·ama festiuaJ. in Marystown and he has been a participant in it for a nurnbE!r of YE!aJns. It is a d:i.rect r·esuli: of the tr·ai .n:tng he r·ecEdVE:~d at that fine Academy.

IndeE!d, l::h:i.s FRl.l. he ""i.ntE~nds l..o go t. he F i n E~ A r· t s S c h o o 1 i n co nt e r Brook and take drama lhere, so thEH'e is an infltH!nce E!XE!rted tJJe I.:E!nd i·o d"iscoun1. 'tn Mdx"i.Jn Ma7ur11dar·'s caSE!, :it :i.s a di.rc,1d:. r' e:~ s ttl ·I· o I h ·i s c'\ c i ·i vi. 1 ""i, r~ ~; H1 d I· Ci:tr'ee1n pa-t-hs are opEHd ng up for at leRsl · f:hJO of my chi.ldl"rHt . T tAJO u 1 d J :i. I< e to !; u g g e s t t. hat-. t. h c-:1 HI i.ni .s L<'!r, i.n hc~r tJC:!ry f i ne i:tni .bttl·c,1 t.o Max:im Mazumdar, at. the end of i.t sc.·1·id l:ha1: I)J(,1 shottld i . ncrE:~dse our support For the ar•ts.

There' i. s a p r -L t; r.1 l: e mE~ mb c;! r 1 s r c;! so l.u L ·i on Front my co1lE!ague in St. John's I:. as l: (Mr. I ong) 1--ha l wi. l.'l be up for debate in about three weeks Li.tne tAJh:ich discusses U1Rt tAJho1e area of supporting our artistic L13 3 7 Apr·:i.l 29, 1.9BB Vol. X I_ cornmun"i.l:y ··j n t.hts Prou i.nCE!. MaybE! by passing !:hat rE!SOlut:i.on WE! w·.:i.J.l bE:! abl. c~ to 1nove solnC:'!tAJher'e ·in LhE! dj_rect:ion of :i.mplnoutng ou1n s~upport. for i L. Fina1ly, Mr'. l:o C'!nd on r.l S p E• a I<E! r , I tAIO u 1 cl 1 t k E!

UE!Y'Y pPr'sonal nol::e. [ haue seen a number of Lhe 3 1·. n p h c n tJ i. -1 '1. c,~ F c~ s I . i u 1'1 l. and they arE! of a na hll"C. PC'! In F () Y'lna n c E:! s IAJO r' J. d C J. aS S Or1o pnr· ·for'rndnr:r;! in pi'lr'l:.ictJl.i:'tl" of Maxim Mazumdar 1 s, in a pJ.ay cal:l.E!d 11 TOi"Ch ~~long rr·i logy I II a t·.l'lr'(H!··-·hour play that was staged two years i'\90, t)Jf.-\S by ·f;:·1r t.ho ITlOSI: ITIOV:Lng tl't E! a t r i c a 1 E! x p e r :i E! n c E! t h a t I h a u E• euer seen. [ will conl:i.nue to remember h:l.s uery finE! petnfonnanc E• i. n t h a l:. p r· o d 11 ct. i. on .

QtJ-Li".E~ frr~nkly, !:·. hosE! pr·oduct.:ions like that are a tremendous t:r.ibute, not only t:o StE!phE!nu:i.J.le, not only to the Prou:i.nce's iH'L i. st.i c cornmtm -i. ty, bul·: l:.o a 1nan who madE! a btg diffE!rertCE! in our' Prov i nce's artistic l.i.Fe. H opE! f u 11 y , tAJ e w i 11 ~H:' a b 1 E! l .. o c i'HT y o n ·i n t:. h E'! f 1.1 L 1 H' (,1 a n d e n cl 1 1 p with the ar-tistic community, not only '''S '''n <,~xr.-1rnple oF t.•Jhctl: t.•.JC:~ ar'C'> as a pE!Ople, but as a rna:i.n LAJclY of gdini.ng t~mployrnl:,nl:. ·in Lhu ar·t. ·i.st: Jc c o rrn n u n "i t. y , a n a r e a t h cd:.

J s v (H' y of I· en o tJ e r' l o o k C:! d . lhc:Hlk you, Mr. Sp(;~aker . SOME HON. MEMBERS: H ~~ d r' , h e a r' ! PREMIER PECKFORD : Mr. SpE!aker. MR. SPEAKEr~ : The hon . the PrE!moi t:'r . · PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr. SpeakE!r', I want to ass~oc:i.ate No. 26 1~1337

111ys~1lf t~d th the commE:Hlts and words of l:hn Milrisl·r;!l" of JiiSLic(~. 1-hr. IIHHnbE!I" For Humbel" Edst (Ms Verge). l hi·1d UC:Ci'ts-ion, ;·u;. r gii(:1SS a lot of pc'!op1E! in ·l:h:is House h;:wc~ he1d occasi .or1. lo kno1~J FHH'~~ona1ly Mr·. Ma7.umdar. We had l.ony chals ·in 1ny of·r-Lce <Hid r.~ · i· oth~::1r places OVE!r thE! last nurnbE!r of years since he came to our Province. I 1.uas shocked and startled yesterday t.uhen Lhe M:i.n:is l:er caJ.led my office to inform me of his passing. He has had an unbelievably strong E!ffect upon the art.s commun:i.ty and th~::1atr·e "Ln our Province.

T think CHIE! of the most important i:h i.ngs hc,1 cl'i.d · i'lnd l:ht:! J e;:~dC'!I" of thE!

New DE!tnocrat:Jc Party is right., I AI(~ h a I)(~ i ~ 0 1-: I" y t 0 d 0 (;!lJ (;! 11 1110 I" r~ than I.UE! e1re doing nouJ For· the ar·ts o F' o u I" P r· o IJ i. n c l~ , 1-. he c~ s Lc:-1 b ., i. s h m cn1 I: of the Al"ts Counctl year·s ago l: r•ir :! d i·.o sddros~; ~;011H~ oF l:l·~r.~t, b11i· still rnore neC::H~s to be donE!- bul: IAih<~l Mr:·1xim d-id -lh<'II a lot o-F other·~; .in lhr::1 ar·ts cormnunJl:.y hi'lVE! ncli b('!en sucr:c~ssru·l tn do ··inq i~; lo attr·act t:hE! community at large,, to becoiTJC;! as c,1xci. l:c:!d abou l: Lhc,1 i'tr·ts, and in particular, about the thei'1tr~::1.

That .is 1.~1hat happ(HIE!d -Ln Stephenville . He just did not attract h:is OIAJn kind, those IAJho werE! dedicated, and a part of or interested 'in thc-?.atr·e. It IJ.Ja s t:he corporate community of Stephenville and just about eVE!rybody of L>Jhatever t.ualk of life. He rnade the arts come al:ive and to convince people that the arts IAJE:1re just as much d pari·: of a cornrnunil7.y as is a buiJ.ding, as is IJ.Jal:E!r' i:Hid SE:11AIE:H', f~S i.s d f 'i. r•e station, as anything else is. It 'i. s a l l f:1 p <:·1 r 1: 0 f (I IJ r l "i v (;! s . r l·:.h:inl< foJ" -l:hdt IAIB o1.uc,, Mr.

Mazurndar· ;:~ n aiAJf ul l o t i. n 1'. h i. s Pro IJ .. i ncr~ . I. 1 3 3 B f.lpi"i.l. 29, :1. 9BB Vol X 1.. Very, VE!ry often, as we gC::1t in ou1" ot~Jn 1 i 1:i:l.o ~~Jorlds, i•ho i'1i"l.:j.st.s, us in poJiti.cs, t\OTnE!~)Ody E<J.SE! Jn b 11 s ·i n c:! s ~:. , s o 111 c bod y e l. s (,~ i n IAJhatever·, IAIB tE!nd to just ·[·:.ravel do1~Jn i·. h.-.i t:·1rl'.i.sLic r·o;•td, or that. political road, or thdt business I"Oi.~<1 not. seE:!·ing l:h~::~ ol.:he1". Whi'lt~ Max ·'Lm 1.uas ablE!

Lo do IAJas t.o take the theatre out to the peopJ.e and t-o persuc:~cle people;! to cont _ribute to thE! thE!ati"E! and to be a part of :i.t, to actually visit. One of the things that arn~:1zed rne at onE! of · l..he first festivals in StephenvilJ.e was the fE!el. i.ng ·in l:hat IAJhole St.:c,1phenv:l.l1e area about the festival. Everybody went and saw him perform so briJ.liantly and ScH.U o thE!rs <.·1r<)IJI'lt~ hirn do l:.hC::' samE! b<:1Cai.IS~~ t t: 1.uas contagious, and l~.l ·w y bE:• came a pH I" I·. of 1.: h i:·1 1·. <~ n H I" CJ y d n d l: h a. L theatre that Maxim so dearly loved.

I t. h i n k i t i s v e r· y r i L l: .i n g , t. h e l:rib11i ·.r:! -!:hc:~l·. i-hP m-Ln-i~;l · (;!r h;:~s rnade Hr.is morning to him, and to E•nsur'E! H11.'1i IAJP. r:cHllH~Y FI"OITI i:his Houso l:o all of his rE!l<::ll:iVE!S and Fr:iE!nds 01.1r' condol encc;!s . We hHve los!·. a UUI"Y iiTiporL:ant person in the life of our Provi.nce, ctnd that. ·i.s i·.he IAJi:~y t:o say it., not. in the artistic J.ifE!, :in l:he J.ife of our Pr·ov"i.nce . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear! MR. SPEAKER: At. t.hi.s stage, I IAJOiild like to welcome to thE! gaJ.lE!ry Mr. JOE! Prlce, Lhe member of Parliament: for Burin- St.

George 1 s. SOME HON. MEMB_lli.: HE:1ar, hE!f.lr! Ml~. SPF.AKFR: I would also lJke to welcome Me1yor No. ?.6 I~ U3B

Max Tayler, St. Jacques, Coomb 1 s Cove; DE!pUl:y Mayor, Stu;:u·i: May, BEdleorum; and Ml". Cyr:lJ. BlnOlJ.Jn F I" u m F 0 r· t. 1.1 n (:~ B a y ~J 0 I''' t. h s h (I In (:~ Development Association. SOME HON. MEMBERS : Hr.::~ar, he,~<'! I"! MR. SPEAKER: -T a rn v E! r· y g 1 ad t h a t t h e r e a r· E! s o many stud on t. s -i_ n 1: h ~~ gall c~ r· y 1: o dAy and T t.uould like to t..l.lelcome forty Gre1de [X s · Ludt~n l: s rr·cnn Holy RE!dOr'!ITIC:!r School i 11 Spdn i.dtnd 1 !) Br.ly Ld.i Hi '1- hej r t et1 c he1ns, John Drover and M.":''lcol.tn !-)miih. SOMF liON. MFMflt: I~S : 1-iec.r, hc,~ar! Mf~.

SPEAKER : T 1~1ould ··-also li.ke to welcome t.hi .r ly·-f'i.VE! Gr;:~cle VIT s tuc:IE!nts fr·orn Mount Pearl Junior High S c h o o l IAI :i. t.. h 1: h c,~ i. r t e a c h E! r· , J c;! d Butt. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hNlr! MR. SPfAKER: T would like to welcome thirty G r a d E:~ I X s L u d e n t s f r· o rn S L: . P e t c,~ r 1 s Elementary, Mount Pearl, with l.:he:ir teAchc'!r', .Judy Moakl.E!In. . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hec'lln, hear! Oral Questions MR. WEI..LS: Mt" . Spe:~akl'~r . MR . SPEAKER: ·rhe hon . l: ho I .. E!r~~ der· of l.he Oppos:-it:i.on . MR. WEL LS : Mr·.

SpeakE!r, YE!St.er·day :in the Ll339 Apr·:i.l 29, 19Bil lJol XI. House, concerning thE! rnatt:e•r of t·. hc,~ dl.l.E!qed job l'lE!got .:iRt.io ns IAJ'il::h Canadian Helicopters, I accepted i"hE:~ f.·lSSUY'r:ll'lCOS g"LVOI'l by l.hl'>. Premier on Hw basis thr:~t hE· ha ~" g -j v ~~ n L: h o s ''~ <'l s s 1 J r c:Hl c e s , and T had no basis, as I f1nankly sc:dd, fo t" do u b ·L .. i. n g t: h f'! rn, r<tl though I IAIO n de I'''"! d at. Mr. Dobbin 1 s statE!fnenl:s. Since i ... h <:·l 1'.·. I: i.m C'! t h e r· r'! h d '1 f'! b e e n f 1 J 1" 1:' h e r alJ.egations and st.aternc~nts fr·o rn Mr. f)obb -in.

Tn pat"t..icu l.ar ·, I: li.st _ened t.o C:Hl inLE!rViE!~I t.hjs 1nor· n'i. ng on CBC r•r:'td i.o r:Hld you h<.·l\JC,~ 1-. o i'\CicnoiAJl.c~dqn 111;:11: M1~. Dobbin is acknowledged to be a rep11 L'lb ·1 ~ ~ r. i I i. 7.fHl oF 1·: h ::l. s Province. He is the head of a mayor· cor·pot"r:~l·.c~ c~ni . i.l·y -in i:h -Ls ProvinCE!. MR. SPEAKER: order , p 1 e-a s e ! I would ask the hon. Oppos i.l:'.-i on ·.if he question. MR. WELLS : Loader of tho IJ.JOUld pO S(~ a I must lay a reasdnabJ.e groundwork For t.hE:~ qiH~sl:.:i.o n. Hd.s is Lhr:> fi.rst . qiJf!St:.:ion, Mr. Speaker. MR. SU1MS : Mr.

Speaker, on a po:lnt of order . MR. SPEAKER: A po -inl: of ot~d<:!r, l · hr::~ hon. !:' he President of the Council. MR. ~31MMS: The hon. thE! of Opposi . l:i.on h;·~~; br:onn absr'!l'li Fr·om t h~~ Hou se for tiA!enty YE!ar·s . Mayb E! i.hi . ng!; 111nr'o l''lln differ'E!ni':ly ·in those days, but: t.hE!Se days t..l.ihen Hl H ~1 p 0 ,:-, k 0 r d ·i_ InC:! c 1·.·. s d In ('!1'[1 be r· 1'.·. (I ask a question, hE! does not gEd: up <Hid i:H'gll~:! baclc ld'i. Hl l: hE! Spealce1". He,~ gE!t:.s up and put.s the quE•st io n. r !>l . lqge~;l. Your Hono11r ~=;hOIJ l d E'!l'lSIJI"E:' t.hc\t t.hat happens . No. 26 Rl339

Mf~. WFL.LS: T t:! X FH:! c I . M I" . :1 p c i:·l k c I" , I h f'! s r:·11n f~ c o 1.11" '[· e s y c~ s o ·t·· h <cH' lliC'! 111 ~He' r· s , .i f T rnay ~1dcil"f~SS I hdl fl() 'inl or ()i"dCI'' MR. SPFAI<FR : 1·o ~hc:d: po:ird of order, the,~ hon . l:'.hf:~ l.f~ddE!I" of the Oppos i !· ion MR. WELLS: :r expect from thE! Speaker and the:1 rnE:~mbers of t:h-i.s House the saln<;! courtesy extended to other members, to lay a reason~ble foundation for· the question being posed. I ask nothing more than that, Mr. Speaker. MR. SPEAKER: To U1at po-int of order, t:he po"i.nt :i.s tJJell taken.

The firs l: qtH~st·i . on, parl:.iclll.arly, l I•Jould say, frorn thE! LE!ader of t.l'w Oppo s i. t ion, c erte:d nly t~JOI.tl d g -i. v <e! h:irn qui t:.e a bit of Jeeway, but I d o L h ·i n k l:'. h t.·1 1'. 1·1 C:! 1Aii'1 s o u E:~ remp has i z:i ng thE! i ntr·od u c t ion l·o his CJI.IE!sl:·i.on. I al.l .ow<e!d hi1n l· o contjntH:~ fol" some timE:~, but I ·I h i n k h f~ IJii'\ !) 0

t) C! I" d 0 -j 1'1 9 "i 1· . ~:1 0 f I~JOIJ1d rtOlAI i'_.l!;k h:irn to pOS<:' h:i.s q11<:!~; 1'. ·i.on. ThE~ hon. l:ho I ho Opposition. MR. WELLS: l"hank yc).(:i, Ml". Speaker. Tn uiE:~tJJ of the further stat.ernents on the public news media this morning by that person, Mr. Do b b -L n , !AI h o s a i. d that t h c,1 r· e had been, in fact, three or four meetings in the Premier's di.n"i.ng room and Mr. Dobb:in 1 s d:i ning room and thc,t. a dc,~al. IAJas concl.IJdE!d and terms worked out. two months bE!fore t h e n C'!l.IJ S S t:. 0 Y' y 0 1'1 N 0 V C:Hn b EH' 8 , d CH:! S t.he PrE!rnier· st.i11 say thr.lt M1~.

Do b b ·i_ n 1 s s 1~ c.~ I: em E~ n 1~ s a n d allegations are totally untrue? 1... 1 3 4-0 A pI" ·j ] 2 9 I 19 8 8 Vo1 XL MR. SPEAKER: TTi'r~-hon I:Tir) Pl~e1rri.or . p f~ I·~ T F.:: R:._e E C I$£..Q.BQ : Yt:~s. Ml". Sp<;!ai<E:~r, I arn honest_J.y cilllllbFollrHI::!cl T >'1\Tl s 1- dl" 1:'1 C!d ;·'1nd durnbfoundc,~d by the;! statE!ITIOnts i.:h<~ l:. Mr .

Dnbb ·in hi'IS ITii'!d(~. · l"he1i: ·i.s t::I·H=· on 1 y uJa y I can put i l:. . 1 a 111 clu1nbfoundod by I ho da1- es. r arn durnbfoundE!d by, if I rE!I'llernbE!r cor r c-?. c 1:.1. y t:. h (;! s t·.: or· y t. h ·i. s HIO r· n in g , a corporate Joan as well for a transition period, this kind of thing. It is the first. U.rnE! I he~ue hE:~ard .it. I am durnbfounch'd by the dates. I honE:~stly do not. under·s tand . As I haue fr·ankl.y told thE! House and said outsj _dE!, l:'.he gentleman offered me a job. The offer was somewhere around $150,000 a year For Fiue years.

That is as I understood :i.t. at. t·he i.iii\C:!, ~'nd f·. hr.~L IAJi:~~; all. He t:.alked about. different subsid".i.<:H'iE!S oF hi. s compi:'lny ,.,tnd cl"i.Ffc'!l"r::•nt positions like President or Vi.cr:! ·-Pre:;i.clc;!nl: r:'lnd so on. ns f,;~J" as dates, as far as corporate loc:1w; r'!nd "ll-1 H1a1·. , 1-l'ktl · i. s br·,:Hlcl nE!lAJ t.o mE~. I jus 1:. do no l:. I< notAl lAJhy I· h f~ 9 t:! n 1. l <~ 11 I iUl ·j ~; ~; i:·1 y i 1'1 CJ 1: h 0 S E• things, bE! Cause thE!Y dr'E:! nE:!lAJS l:.o 1 n r~ , I h <~ y i'l r· o b r· 1:-1 n d ..... n o lAJ i n F o r· 1 n a l:. i. u n to me. r"lay T, I~Jh'i.lE:!

T ;:·lin on lilY Fo~:!t., just anstAJer, so I do not: LakE! up Lhe i'.LHW of t.h<'! House:~ 1HtE!r, the question yesterday by the Leader of the 0 p p o !d t ton - I a 1r1 s u r· e h E• wil1 not rnj nd, it will only takE! a COL!plE! Of SE!COnds on the• question of conflict of j nt:E!rE!S t., b(:1causE:!

I th "i. nk l:h ·i~:; :i.s VE!ry important, on thE! busjnE!SS of l:.he mcm~1y fr·om l:~1e hAJO gouer·rHnt:~nts to his fi.rrn for· the estab1ishiTIE!nt of the hE:~l i.cop1· : (c~r· s·i ITIIll.d Lor. rhE! proposa1 tA.Jt.-J.s submitted to thE! government on MRy ?7, 1986 and t:.hen :it lAJi:lS r\'!UiE!lAIE!d by t·.he govc~rnrnenl : ·in 191l6 No. 26 R 13 '1-0

b~1 Ci'ltj5~' i L t~Jas back •''1nd for·t::h. The first proposals were not pr•oposals t:hrll: tAJe could i'\CCE!pL. I uri 11 h d v e a c o p y o f L h t s f o r everybody . It was revLewed by the government on December 9, 1986; December 16, 1986; February 19, 1987; t~nd H: lAJas appr'OVE!d by thE! government on February 26, 1987. So tht-1t. uJas long bE!fOrE! Mr . Dobbin E!VE!r offer·~~ d me a job . II·.: tAJt.~s appr·oved by the governrnE!nt. on Feb r u a r· y 2 6 I 1 9 B 7 .

II·. t~Ji::t s submitted to the federal govermnc;!ni". on MHy /.. l9tl'/. i.l-. t~Jr.IS Cippt~oved by the fE!deral governinent n n A p r i . l /. 3 • 1 9 B 7 I <:·m d Ht e o f f 0. r tAJas ntadE! t.o thE:1 company on May 8, 1.98'/, c\IH~ l.:hf~Y s I i. '11 hr·1llf! noi · c o n c ltH'l EH~ t he d e a 1 . They s t i 11 h ;·• tt)f ~ noi · c'\ccupl :r:!d l.hC:! ofFr :!t' so t· h i:l t- .l. s tAl h c;! r· c,1 t hat p a r· t of :i. t i s • b 1 J i · i: n I hE~ or i g i. n ;:., l. q 1 1 c~ s i · ·i. o n Ut r:~ I: HIE! L E!dder · of UtE:!

Oppostion as kc0d. [can only s<.·1Y ii· is ;:-1s much l'l(!t•Js to me as it is to him . MR . WF.I.I .. S : Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAI<ER : The hon. the Leader of thE! Opposi t.i.on . MR. WELLS: T appreciate the Premier 1 s assurancc;!s . Mr·. SpeakE:H ' , I hr.-we to ask the Premier if, in the 1. -L g h t of IAJ h a 1: he h a s 1: o l d u s i. n the House today and I must. frankly s~~te I hHve no bcls i s ot her· than Mr·. Dobbin 1 s statements a nd t.he rH~ IMS medic'l for Gll.lf:!s ti.on i. ng - but in HH':! face of that, and in 1-: h o f r:·1 c e of I h t~ ex I r· c~ 1rw l y !; 0.

I" i o 11 ~; al J ege:d~ions made~ by cl l"('!putabJ e bus ·inE!SSIIIdn ·i.n l:lris Pi"OtJi . ncr~ t~Jho .i :. HIC,1 lE:1adE!r of a mf.lj or c or·poi"r :11 "inn ernp·l oy ·i ng d ~ : J 9n :i f-.i cant l'llHiib<·H' oF pe o ple :in I h:.i s P r· o u i I'll: e . 1110 11 ·1 d I h c~ P r· C:! 1n-i r=~ r·· ~.lgr·ee, j f . the;! Opposi t:i.on IJJould mot)C l: he rnoli.on, l.o bl"inq Mr· . 1..1341 Apl" '.il 29, 1988 VoJ. XL. D o b b "i. n b C'! f o r· (,~ 1:. h <'::~ B r1 r o r::- I: h C'! H o u s E! SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh! MR. WELLS : to justify these serjous i'lll.Pg< :1t-i.ons. fOI" Lh<;! purposE!. M1~.

SpE!akE!r, of protE!CU .ng tilE' r <:1 p u -1:. a 1: ·i. o n no t o n 1 y of l. h e individual who hoJ.ds the office, bt1t . . of tho Off"i.cr:! o1 Pr· ern:iel" oF th:is ProvinCE!. and prot:E!ct:i.ng 1-.-.i'tE! r~~ptll : r'li-.i.on of l.h·i~; i · lou~.>f'! of Assembly and thE! govN· nrnent, the tAJholl ~ g<)l)ornrn c:! ni". procc~ s s , fi" OITI such allegations? Would t he gotJernrnt:!I 'Jt agi"C!C:! l·o su c: h a HIOl". i.on if the Opposition wi11 move it::? MR.

BAIRD : I Wl". 11 ~; b r i n g y ou I· o UtE! fl a I" of I he House ~;.r.i t h your· co nf 1 :i c t tAli t h ilOIAio::tl·.c: ~r· i'1i'ld l<rugc,~r. !" hat. lAJOIJ}r:i i:JE! a niCE! thing to brtng to the Bal" of l:: he i·IOI.IS<'::'. Mf~. SPEAKER: The hon. the Prem:ier .

PREMIER PECI<FORD: U t h e r e tAJ a s a n y c o n f J. i c l:: o F intE!rE!St hE!rE!, 01~ anything 1:ikE~ that., wh:i.ch I h<:·1VE! dc;!lnonsl::r·al : ('!d thl':~re was not, I wou1d bE• on1y too happy l:o do ·it. . btJ 1:. i. n th r:=! s 1:! ci.rcumstances I think i. t IAJould b E• s i.l 'ly , fooli.sh . lf, in fa c t . • I h a v E! u s E! d rn y off :i c E! a s P r· E' rn i E! r i n so tnE~ t.•.lr.1 y • ·r. o i'1 s s i. s i.. M r .

Do b b ·i n bE! cause he t.o.Jas offering nH:! a job. <·1 n d L h n r C:! f n r· n T t~kl s i n a c o n f l. j c t: of interest s:i.tuat .ion, tht'n I Ut "i nk Hli'1i: I~JOI.I ' l d b::! c:·1 VfH'Y 1egi timat.e request. As i. L J.s . 1 i:h ·ink ·il: ·is jus1: s Llly, j 1.1st: foolt s h. MR. WELLS : Ml" ~ : lp E~ aker . MR. SPEAI<ER : No. 26 R1341

A f .i nal supplE!ITient-ary, thE! hon . I he l.r~<:~dt:!l'·· of Uw Oppos-L·I ion . Ml~. WEL.L.~3: Mr ~:)p(;~r··lkr=!r, Mr· l)obbin al";o ~;a · id on 2.1 number· of occas:ions l:hE! P t' (,Hn-i 1:! r 0 f:- l. h i ::; PI" U u-i 11 C P. ·j ~; ly:-i ng. ·1 hat is a :.r;!d.ous <:·\ l.l. '"! g '·~ 1-. i 0 n i'\ 9 (\\ i. n s [· I h t:! 0 r F i c (~ I <'Agi-.d nst t.h<::1 pE!r'son individually I and r.~g<~linsl l:he gouer·nrnenl. or 1.1-J'is Prov:incc,~. That is a serious thing and t. h R t i. s ~~~ h <.·1 1- I C.·\ln t. F.l l k i. n g about.. SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, ohl MR.

SPEAKER: ·or·de~ie.ase! or·der, plE!aSE!! r'IR. WFLIS: Would th~ government reconsider - SOME HON. MEMBERS: Ohl oh! MR. SPFAKER: Or·dcl" 1 p 'lec:·\st;1! Mf~. PATTF.I~SOI\1: Rr·ing oir1 thE! fl~!llows IAJho arr'! p c:'ly i. n g y <)1.1 r s <'I 1. "' r y . Y o 11 rw <:! d I h c~ unan:in1ou!; cons<,11'1t of thc::1 House to bring rlnyun'~ ber::-orr:! l.h<~ fl,u·. MR. SPEAKE!~: Or·der·, please! T would ask hon. members on my l<'!fi: "i.f t.hf!lj I.~JOI.1l.d pl(;!C'·\S(,' E:1)(i::E=!nd the courtesy of hearing the l'nE!I'nb<,1rs on my right., as l::hc\t~ COUrtE!SY is E!)(tE!ndE!d to thE! lE!ft on most occasions.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: H e a r~--h E! arf-----·· ·-·- MR. SPEAI<ER: The hon. l:.hE:1 of I. 1. 342 Apr-:1.1 29, 1988 Vol XL. 0 p p o s .i. l': ·i. o n . Mf~. WELLS: Thr:·1nk yo11, ~11" SpE:!r:-lker. Ml". Sp~:!akE;r', :in v:iE!IAJ of t··.I·IE! fact. 1 hi.·\ i I h i ~; Ill.~·\ n h ,., ~; !lid d n <:'! l ·1 E=! g i:'l t·. i o t'h t h a t t h E!

P I" E! rrJ i E! r' 0 f [: h J ~> P I" 0 V i n C E' v; 1 y ·i ng, ~~JOit-1 d l.hn f'l''elll i <=!I" dnd the government reconstder the PI"Oposc:·\1 ''li'Hi br· ·ing l:he lllr'\1'1 befur·r:• the Bar of the House, t.o bring ll.JhRI:f~tJer E:;vid(:!nc:e hE! hr:ts t··.o support his posttion, so thcl'l: the li 0 I H; e i. t S E! 1. f C "' n j 1.1 d 9 (.;! IAJ i'W C h l'! I" CH' not it and the government and flE!Opl.e of t: h -i.s Prov·i.nCE! hr.lVE! b(=!r:~n tnsultE!d? PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr· . Speak or· , MR . SPEAKER: Thr:~ hon . thE! PrE!rni<,~r . PREMIER PECKFORD: Mr.

Spectkerl thore is no pr·:ivilE!9E!S of the HouSE! b1:•:ing b1"oknn I'H'! I"O . I 1nean, fr·om t."i.llle l::o ti.tTt<,' IAJE:! hoar IAJhet"E' a member· f'rorn e·i Lh<=!r' s"i.dc~ oF l:he Huus(;, qoe s i o thi.s d:ist.r·ict or· l:.hal. d ·.'.L!>l:. r· :ict. c:ii.nd ·i~; 511ppos1:!d l· o hd11r:! PI"OIIIi~;ed l :: hi.~; or that, some:body cornE::s on t··.he r t:·\IJ "i 0 <'I l'l d S d y S l.: h <:-\ l: Ill E:O ITI b lc! r' So-and-So said this d nd I IAJc\ s going l.o do l.h·i s, <:H11.1 l.hE:! ITiel'fii:H"!I" comes on and s<:ii.YS thE!Y ai"P no l.

I IIIOdn, you knOIAJ, l:hi:·\1'. is p61J"t· of the poLiti.cal gaJTJE!, if you IAr.Lll. I l:hink ii: i.s c,~xl~refiiE!11J unfortunate, very, vory unfortuna ·l-.r:1 -in i-h -L s par•I :.::Lcular· case, what Mr. Dobbj n hcls said t:hCit: 1.1Je supposedly agi"C'!(;!d, lo which I just cannot agree with. I .. Lke 1 sa.i.d, Lhe "i.nfor·rnat.oi.on is brand nE!IAl to rne. But to bring him b E~ f o r• r::1 t.: h e l1 r:H' o f l:. h E! H 0 1J ~:; f' 1 think is just not called for.

T h c~ r' <->. r'l r E! s o 1 n a n y ·i. n c ·L d t:! n L s L h a 1~. occur between members of the House <U1 d p E! o p ·1 e o u 1·. s ·i. d e t. h e 1·1 o u s e , i n No. 26

l:h<~ public a1- l.i'lr't::Je, I~JhE!I"C~ ·1 hfH'f:! J~ a disagreement. Where would L h L s st. o p? T I. h i n !< I~J<::~ 1~10 ul d b C! ~;t=d:.t-.-ing a very dcHl~JE!Y'OUS pr'E!CE!dE!rlt for· t.hE:~ fu1-_urf:!. Now :Lf f;~c1:, !:hough, as I si:'t'i.d E!ctrliE!Y', l:here was, and it. couJ.d be d E:~mo n s I-_ rr.d:_E!d t. h<'l t t. ht:! r·e IAk\ s sonre conflict of intE!rest here by mE!, then that wotJl.d be;! a di_ffer'<'!l'lt. situation altogether. But as Lher•c,1 "i. s not, th<'!n I do not t:h i.nk it is warranted to have the man brought bc;!Fort~ 1-_hC:! Bar.

T. 1-:hi.nk the l.1?.ader of the Opposi t.ion is try Lng to do VtH'Y n i ct:,·l y sam<:' 1-.iri ny '~' ~l'.i c h h f:l ~ a J o t of p o 1 j t i c a 1 moU va 1:. ·i.on l·.o ·H-. SOMF HON. MFMH~RS : He is good at that . . SOME liON. MfMrl F 1?3 : HetH', ht'ldln! Ml~. WFI.I .S: Mr. Spectkt~1r . MR. SPEAKI:R: The hon. th~1 of thE' Opposi t:i.on. MR. WELLS: .T h a n k y a·u , M r . S pea k e r . Min. Speake!r', the quE!Stion is not whether or not t:he Premier h<'~s be!en in conflict of interest. That c t:l n be d e a 1. t '~' i. 1 .. h by o t h <'! r means.

The quest-Jon, and this is IAJ h a +: I e1 s I< e d UH~1 g o u <-:1 r n 1r1 <;! n t. , <HId the-:! PrerniE!r :in pa1nticular to C 0 n S ·i d (! r , i S W h f:! n d pI'! r· S 0 n 0 II I: S "i, cl I'! this Hous101, a rt:1putable bus i nE!SSIII<Hl in 1lri s Prowi nc:n, hr".\:; c~ll Jed t.l-tE!

P1"<-:1nt:i.er· of th:i s P1"01ri ncr~ a l ·i i'\r, il'li'il: ;:~Ffoc 1-.s I h1~ 1~Jirol l~ o-F HtE! reputation of UH~ peop 1 e o·r I ho Pr'OIJ inc~~ . l1 '~"-~~; rnctdE! :in I"E! ~; pE:~ct- of slcd .orllenl:s llli:.tdE• in lh ·is liousr:~ . l h.~1uo al1"{~ady si:.tjd T accept the PremiPr 1 s I. 'I :J 'l-3 API" i.l 29 I 1988 Vo '1 X I posi.-1 -·ion on i1 rn IJiUI•J of 1-.hcd:., Mr. SpE!aker, and in v:iE!IAI of 1-.:hE! s C:! r· i o usn e s s oF i.

I· 1·: o l. he reputation of the government of 1·: h 'i. s P r· o u i n c E! a n cl ·\ h e P I" o u --i n c <'' a '' a whoJe, would the Premier deal IAJ-j_ t: h ·j 1·. b lj C i:\ l l , ·i n 9 t. h (:! IJ'If.'l n bE! f U I"(~ t h E! B a r· o f l h e 1-1 o u s f:' ? I t: h a !:; no 1-. h i. n g to do I.•J·i_ H1 1Aii'H,1 t: hE! r· or not a conflict exists. MR. SPEAKER: The .hon. the Prf~ITI:il'?.r . PRFMIFR PECKFORD: ·No . - M r . S p e a k-·(;r , ·i. 1- i n rn y OIAJI'l t.•.Ji'IIJ , the House. MR. EFFORD : r"lr :-Jpcr~i«,'r . MR . SPEAI<ER : I ~Ji.ll dE!i:'l.l. IAJi.l:.h bu 1-. no 1: ~HH'C'! -in il·Jr:! hon .

I hr:! Hlelnb<H' I" or· Pen· I" dE'! Gr·aue!. MR. F.:FFOIW : Thank you, Mr·. SpE!aker . Mr·. Spei'\kf~l", liiiJ ques t-.:io n is dir·ectE!d to l:hc hon. the M:in:isLer of i · ler:~lth (Dr. Coll.i.ns) . Jt hi'IS to do with the re!por·t n<l.E!ased on April. 17 in one of the local nf:1WspapE!rS conce1nning thE! edght i. n d -L v i. d u a l. s ·-L n f c,~ c \:: E! d IAri. t h A I D S a t ME!rnorial Unive!rsity. In J.:Lgl1t of the st.a+:c-;!IIIE!nt rtli'\C~l:! by Dr. Russr::!l.J. Harper saying that these numbers J~JC;!r ' e only t:h~1 t: ip of l·.he -i.cebc,,r·g, I would ask the Minister of Health IH! r y c l.

E:1 r:u· 1 y c i'-\1'1 h ~1 c o rrF i. r· m t h <~ t. this is actually the . number ·i . nf(~c~·e d tAril.h !':h-is vir·us, or· is Dr·. Harper corrE!Ct IAJhen hE! says l·hi:-t1·. l.lri s -is on -1 y 1.1-w 1- i p of I:: hE! iceberg and there may even be more I h ;:·\ n i h r-~ n 1.11 11 b o r· s r r:! p o , ... t- C:! d i. n t. lri s papE!r'? Mr~. SPEAKER : TI·Jt:! hon I h:~ M i rri s !·.e1" of I·IPc:\1 t:h . No. ?.6 t- ·

DR. COLLINS: No. Mr . Spe l<t'!Y', I cannot. confii"JO those fjgur'E!S. :r satAI -tho 1'1 (,~IAIS p i:•\ fl e·r i i".t)ill . l IAJr.l S SIll" p Y' i f;(:! cJ by the figures in it. We made E!nqu ·i r· i es i'1I:Jo11i i·hr!Jn . ··1 he physj c:i.an 1~1ho I.~Jds suppo~;~:!d to have b~:·t,!n quoi :ed h·imseiF expr·nss;ed ~;ut"pl"js~~ at the-?. l'lE!IAISpapE!Y' account., r'\rld h1~ COIJlc:l nol Sllpply liS IAJ'ilh r..tny ..-i nfor·rnab on as ·t.o wh(o~I"E:1 those r Lgi.li"l:!S lll'i.gh I hc:•\\JC come (1"0111 .

So I CCJ.nnot conf:il"m l:he figur·es, r..tnd 1.>1(:~ hr'1l)(! no-t: b('!(!l'l dbl () Lo conr i.I"ITI tl1c,1 figurc,1s by rnetking an approach l.:o Uw gE!nl:l.orni'\1'1 L•.Jho ·is supposed to havE:1 suppl.j E:H~ the figures to the newspaper reporter. Mf~. EFFORD: A supplementary, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPEAKFR: A supplE!rnentary, Uw hon . the member for Port de GrRve. MR. EFFORD: Mr.

Speaker, this is just not s om e t: h 'i. n g 1.11 h -i c h a n y b o d y ·i 11 t h i s Pl"ov:i nee, any mernbE!r of govE!r'rHTIE!nt 0 I" r:·\ n y C i 1: i. 7.. ('! n 0 f 1.: h ·i S P r 0 l) -i, 11 C 0 , Cf.ltl ·t-ake so lightly a~; just to sc~Y L hi'\ i 1~1e c: i'l n no 1: con f ·i r· m i :· . Obvjously jf Dr. Lesl.ey Hal"r'is and 1)1".

Hdr'pOf' c'lnd l:he ~:31·:11dnnl: Co11nci·l i' .. wd aJJ tiH1 pE:'opJ.p 'involved in Ut "i !; pr:~rl:i CIJl r:·1r c.,wlpr'l i gn hc:·HI8 Cl g I" l" c;! d and m i'l d e i':. h :i s s t a t. ern E:Hl L , Slll"r~l.y goodnnss i.ho M·in ·isLnt" of He~J t·:h and hi~; dc-:1partmE:Ht t can at lt:!dsl· conf·ir'lfl il:, or· gci· ~;orr11':!body .in t· hc-?. Department of Just:i ce to i'\Cl'.: if lhe sl.:i'II.\'O!in\o!nls ;:n·n c:~llngc~d to bE! false, because this is a v E! r· y s c,1 r· -i. o us s i. l~ IJ 1:1 t: i. on .

T as k L he tn-i. rd s 1:: e r· : Wi.l.l . h i. s depart~ent not instruct the proper offtc·i.c.~ls t:.o .. invc~st.iqal:.r:1 1-.his and t.o tell the people of the Province i.f t.h ·i.s .i.s ei.t.hE!r 1-als(;! or· information? L 13 44. ApdJ 29, 1988 Vol XL. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. l::he Minister of Hei'\lth. DR. COL.UNS: Ml". SpE!ak-E!r, I 1Ad11 voJ.un t.eE!Y' Lo syr·-i.nqr:! ou1 · Utt:! hon. 1rwrnb(H' 1 s (:•r:H'S if hE! tAli shes. I hav~:· aJ l"c;•ady <.·\l'l~;i<ll ' !r' C: !d l.hc:d: CJIICc~s 1: ion. YOIJ c:·\sh:!cl me would I confirm it.

I said no, r c o:1 n no 1 c on i- .. i I" m ·i ·I . n n d t h '"' n T IAHo~nt on t.o say that lAIE'! IAIE'i'lt. back i 0 I. h 0 s o 1.1 r· C n t'll'l d I: he y c 0 U I. d n 0 t confinn it. . NotAl thE! hon. mEHnbE!l" I.<U'II'l 1. s m u L o cl o i· h a I . T. h r:'l V t'! already said that we have aJ.r-EH:<dy done ii r h (~ r (~ -L s a h e Rl" 'i. n g r.1 .. i. d E! L n l.·. h E! thing there. I wish you would l. i. s -!'·.en t. o t. h Co1 an s t~J~:! r s 1'. h a 1:. I givE! to your quest'io11s. MR. EFFORD : Ml". SpE!akE!r. MR. SPEAKER: A f ·i.na ·l supplementary . ~1R. EFFORD: It: is qu:ite obv:i.ous, M1~ .

SpE!akE·r·, l··h,:Ji·. i.hn Mini\; i.IH' oF Hf:!C:'il f.h rnal<e~:; 1 :i g h t oF evE! r y tlri. n g , rna k e s c\ j o k E:~ of C:!lJHr·yLhint]. !"his is not.: S 0 ITI E:~ t h 'i n g t h a t:. IAJ E! C i'l n j 0 k E:! a b 0 U L . 1"1-lC:!I"O iS 1'10 l·h i ng l.>JI"Onq IAii f·:h lriY hearing but there ls something I<Jr·nng 1~1-LI·h lhr~ r~fF:~cl·iuoness oF the minister doing his job as M .L n i '> 1- C:! r· o F H r~ d l I h , 1-. h <:'t I: '· s o n P thing that we can be assured of. I tAJouJ.d ask the mtnist.EH', in my :-·i n.:,-1 suppl Olileni·iH'Y,. q i UE!rt I he;! fact that. Dr·. LesliE!

Har·r·is has s c:·\ ·i d p 1.1 b l t c l. y t: h <:·\ t L he pI" o CJ r· a llllll e initiated by the Department of HC::1al t:.h hd~; been i.n('!ffec t·:."i.VE'! in initiating education on AIDS jn L lri s P r· o v i. n c e , l .~ri. ll. L h e 1r1 i n i s L c~ r agrN! w:i.t.h that.? WJJ.J. hE! i.illplt:!ll'IE!I'lr a pr'OCJI"<:'tii'IIIIE• illOI~l:! effective than the one that he had in Lhe past, and not. only at No. 26 R 13'1·'1·

M(~Jnor· .. i c.~l l.lrl"i lJC:!r·s·i 1-y bui · di· E!lJC'!l"Y goVE:!l"l'lrllt::!rl ·t- j 1'1~ t··j -1--ut:i on p1novoi.nce IAti d e , r:\ "I l. r· e s "i. d ('! n c r:' s IAJ h l'' r· e ~; t- u d E:1 n -t· ~; o r· a n y g r· o u p s :l n t: h j s P r' o lJ i n c e r· e ~; i d e 1·: o r:~ 1-. I: e n d .ir1st.oitut.i.ons E:1sLablJ~>hE:~d by 1-:hE• g o v E! r n rn <'' n t:. o f L h i s P r o u i. n c C:~ ?

W i 1. l. he at least step up the programme, <'' s p E! ci. a 1. l y IAJ h (H1 L1.H:1 s E! c,~ U1 e rnnn b c,1 r s of st-udents in thE! gaJ.le,riE!S today , t: o p r· o i:: e c t a 1 l s 1:: u d E:'rl t s ··i. n th"~ Province, be, cause' this affe,cts l;!Vl':'!ry ci.t:i.z(:!l'l i .n l··.h·is Pr·ov"i.nce? Lr:~t us not joke about it I let us do something about it. MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Mini.ster oF Heal.Lh . DR. COLI . JNS: Mr. Sr-J(:~ai<er, J think the VE!ry fact I h i'l I I h <~ 1r1 C:!

I il b 1.:!1" HH'! n I ··i 0 n r~ d I h r:! gctlleries today gives some rno 1:. ·i lJ <.·l 1: i. on ,.,. or· h i s q 11 f~ s -1: ·i. on MR. :3JMr'lS : FxacLly Dl~. COI .I.TNS: T have had discussions with Dr. Harris at the University on a r·clngc,~ of things. MR. SIMMS: "H"e dtd-not know thc:lt . . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Ohl oh! DR.

COLLINS: .Is th"~ hon. ln<;,mb(:!r' going l·.o l. is l·.en t.o t h:i.s cHlSIJJer· noiAI I be cau s E:1 ot.hc,~I"IAJ i.sr'! he I~Ji l.l. be,~ i:IS k"i nq l::hE:• question aJJ over again? 1: hi:'llll;! h;:~d disc:11ss ·ions ~~J " il:h Dr· II ~AI' 'I" j !: o u ('!\'' a r· <~ n g E:! of" llli'l t· I E:! r· s 1·1 e h '" s rw u e r' u o l 1 1 n I c~ en• e d I o cJ .i ~; c u ~: s IAJ .i t- h u1 E~ t h C'! A T D S (:' d u c at :i. o n pI" 0 y r· i.·lllllfiC i~. I I h (! lJ n ·i ll (! r· ~; i I y , b II I I 1.34S Apr·:i J. 29, 1988 Vol XI... i r I he hon . ITI(!Iflbr=!i" l i kcs T I<J'i "11 go back and ask Dr.

Harris to !; p e c -i ,- ·i c a -1 l y s i'\ y i h "i :; 1: o rn e . 1·1 <'! has alr'E!ady had oppor·turn tlE!S, ct!> [ S i:·\ y , b t:! C: dll S (! I~ I(! h i:-1 V C! cl i S C II S !:; H d other matters, but he did not-: b r· ·i n r:J i. I~ 1 1 p ~; o T. p I""' s 111 n E! 1 .. h a t: L h r:• I~E,ason IAJhy he:• did not: br·ing it up ·i,g 1'1(:~ di.cf not: f~eel. l:hat: "i.t IAJi.~S necessary or appropriate or cont:r i.bu l::oi"Y t:o bl" "l. ng i.i:. 1.1p. But. if the han.

ITH~rtlbE!I" lAJOUJ.d mE! ]·ikE! 1-:o _go br\lCk and il\~;k Dr. 11ai"Y'.i.s SfJE!Cif].cally u.JouJ.d hE! corn111ent t::o 111 e:~ I I h r.1 v e n o p r· o b l. "' m IAr:i. t. h t. h f\ t . I shouJ.d point out tl'n<tt likE! TIIOSt other provinces we have pui:: out information on thE! AIDS qUE!Sti .on, I~JO 1'1dlJ(~ r:~ · l so i.nd i. C>l h=!d iF any gr·oups iAdsh furt:hE!r inFol"rnat:Jon IAJC:O I~JClll-1 d b r~ o 1'1 l y I o o pl. e a~> e d I· 0 suppJ y that. L'\le haVE! a pdckEd: oF · i1 · 1f<H'Ifli:~l ion dlHli 'l;:·lb .. ll~ Fur· l" hdl purpose.

I 1.uould just. go on f 1J r· I· h 1:! r 1- n ~:; i:-1 y 1: h r·\ I· i n I· h i. ~; Province we have been fortunate, lAW hr:-~t.l r:' br:! en 1.1 r;! i" y ,~or· 1-.u tli'll · e in that the number of positive tests, L<Jh i ch dor~s rwl n::! COSS<H ' 'i.ly lllf!r :H1 the dtsE•aSE! ttsE~lf, havE• bE•to!l'l ve1n y 'l OI~J heine on <·l popul HI . ion bas ·i s, and t.l'w actual nurnbE!r of casE•s of 1·. h "~ d ·i. s <'' ,., s E! a c ·t. 1 1 ;:·1 1 1. y p I" o v l'! n h a s aJ.so bE!E!n extrE!rnely J.oiAI on a p o p u l. a t. "i. o n b 1:1 ~; E! i. n 1:: h ·i s P I" o u ·i n c e .

I thtnk WE! helVE! beE!n Fol"tunatE! h<'!I"C;!, but· l··.hat c:loHs not. rn~:,an t.o say that in the Department of 11 E! i'll. t: h IAJe arE! not·. mo n :L t. or· ·i. n g 1:: he tl'd.ng on a dai]y bas]s. We arE! constantly in touch with the federaJ. government on the matter r:~ n d -L n t. o 1.1 c h ~~ri . 1". h o t h <'' r· p r· o v :i n c r:~ s so thc--:~t U.JE! can kE•ep up to datE! on IAJ h C:·1 1: ·j S 1'1 i:'\ p p ~Hl"i 1'1 9 1·. h r• 0 1.1 9 h 0 U t: Canada wJth Uris pcu't.icuJ.ar· rnathH'. Ml~. r~FNWTCK ; Ml" . :3pt:'aker· . MR. SPEAKER: 1 h r~ h o n . ll-1 C:! 111 n 111 b r~ I" f o I'' M o n -Li'w k .

No. 26 Rl345

MR. FF:NW l:CK: Mr. SpE!dKE!r, I haVE! hE!InE:~. My qlH!st. ·ion i.s t.hc,, PrE!rniE!Y' clnd it: has a probJ.E!ITI d i I" ('! C t·. ~! d 1.·. 0 t: 0 d 0 Lid. t. h . l·:he s-LJ::ljat:·iun fh;:tt· hi'\s <·lri~;C'!n OIJer the last. couple,, oF days tAdth I"C'!<_:jr:H'd to hi~; Clnod·i b i ·1 i I y iHld I he cr·ed'.i b'.i.] :l ty of Cr'cl:ig Dobb'.i.l'l. ~~y quos 1:. ion for· l:hc~ Pr·erni 1n· .. is llri s: :r F lAH~ i:t c c l:;! p t· h i s v EH' s :i. o n o f t h E! ei)(HJI, lhon I;,Jhr.ll: t!lf~ hr:-11.H:! ·i~; The Sunday Express and The Daily News -in Hal·i rdx I I:I~JO fldfll:!I"S ()I~JI'l(~d by Har·ry Stc-:lE~le, c:tnd wc-:l have Craj g D 0 b b i n I lA I h 0 i s 0 n C:!

C) r I· h n 0 i h (~ r· large industraJists in the Pr•o1ri.nce r:tnd a llli'lj or conl.ri b11i:or· to pol:i t.i cal par·t:i.es, as tAJE:~ have ~; ~=! C:! n L n 1·: h o p a ~; t , s o c '" n 1'. h c~ Prc.;!TIIiel" suggc-:~st to us what is going on ther'c'!? T.s HHH'e sollll-:l s o r· t o f c o n s p ]. r a c y h e r e w h e r E! t h e llli:1.jor i.ndiiS ' i'.rHl.-i.sl- ~> in 1-:hcc' ProvincE! arE! trying to cashiE!r h·i.rn, t.ry i.ng l:·.o cl·i scJnc-:~d:i.t h i.111 t.Hld perhaps support the LiberaJ.s at the same t-Lme? SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear·, hear! MR.

FENWICK : f.l E! cr.' 1.1 s E:~ , M r· . ~1 p C:' a k E! r , l.~H~ do k n OIAJ that given the hotel receipts from l· ht'! Windsor Bllchans byt:!ll'!ci: ·ion t.hr.ll: Han·y Stc,H~J e 1 s hotc-:~1 paid out i::t 1-. 1 (! .~'1 s l·. $/.000 t: OIAiiH' d I h r.1 I· ca1npi'l i gn. ~30M I-': l-ION. MFMB F I'?S: :r.nt.c:!ros t: .. i ng! f"' R . S P F A K F: R : Ck d P r· , p J e a s e ! MR. FENWJCK: My quest: i.on t:o i· he Pr·E~rn'i.er· is : there ~ conspiracy involved? ~B...:.. SPEil]<ER: Or·d(;!r I pl.E!i:'!Se! 1·,. ·" I thi.nk it: should bE! cl.E:!iH' that L.l3 46 Apr:i.l 29, 1988 VoJ.

XL. 1:. h i. s i. s q u (,~st. ·i on t: .. i rn<;! , and i. n f i'l c t a pr·E~ambJ.r:~ is qu:.Ll:e i.n ordE!In and neces~;ary l:o int:r·odi.ICO a question, but if onE! QE!tS into Hw rE!i:drn of rnr:·l k i. n g c:·l s p c,, e c h ·i I~ c t:! r· ·t- a ·i n l. y is not in order at thjs particular 1: "i. 1TIC~ . r h (~ h () n 1:: h (~ p r· (! rn i. E! r· ' PRFMTFR PfCKFORD: Min. Speaker, to thl::~ quostions pul·:. by l.be I r~i:tdc:!r of I h(~ Oppos i.l i.on I ansiAJered as honestJ.y, as f1"ankly, r:~s opnnl.y, Hl'ld i:lS li"lll ·h·f11l.ly i'IS [ know how.

As I w:ill say J.at.E•r on 1~1 h e n I s p c~ r:~ k i o 1. h o p I" e s s , I d m VE~ry, very concE!InnE!d about the s -i. 1 ... u r:1 1.: i o n . B E~ c <:1 u s C'! L•J h E:! n t. h <;! s t·. o l" y broke I was informed that there l~.kl s r.\ lfH:~ e t. ·i n g b C'! t1~HH'!I'l M r . HarT i. s , Mr·. SteEdE! and Mr·.

Dobl:dn on Lhe T h u r· s d ;:~ y or· F t' i. d d y b Q F o r· E! 1: h c~ Sunday when the story broke in The Sunday Express. r 111as t .. old by sornE! pE!Ople in thE• prE!SS Lhclt: t.hE!re IAJi:~s a I!IE!el~i.ng of those t:l·lrol;! peoplE~ thE:~ Fr:i.day before tho ~) 1 j n d a y IAJ h ('! n t: he s 1: o I" y b r· o k (.;! • ~) o I do not know lAJho ts up to t~Jhc:d:. l do no t l.~l"l n f: 1-. o n1r:~ I< C'! s u q q "'' s t: 'i. on s u r· make aJ.legations against people, b11i' [ Ci'll'l sl~ r:·ll-o tho facl : s as.[ knotAJ t.hE!Tn. That :is 1.1.1hat: I lAJCIS i"old.

Not•.J, I.~JI'Jdl: l'ldS happE~ned since that time? Obviously the crnJibili~y of The Sunday Express has suffelnl'!d . T. I;JHS ~~llpposed to not I:Hc' whE!rE! I cllTI t·oday r.1c col"d i.ng +.o The Sunday Ex pre s s 1~1 ~w n I l·w '1 b r· o k o 1 .. l·w s i: o r· y E'dl"l :i E!l". ObviousJ.y I ctlll hel"E!, !~t!ri ch lll(!r:l.l'lS i h. :~ 1: I l'lf''lj I•JC:•r'(-~ I•JI"OI'lq in their· pr'E:Hhctions. ThE!Y hauE!, T. l:JI.Ir~ss, SOIIIO <:~qg OIHH' i·JH,d . l" face .

I do not k n OIAJ if l: hal: is t·. hc:! ror:lson L•.Jhy i 1: has I"(:!Sijrr•(;!ct.od its E! 1 f an eiAl at t h ·.i. s poi n t :.L n t.i111e . .I I'JOIH~sUy do not know. A11 I know i~; thc1.t I t.: h:i nk t:hat lll('!Ht·i.ng did t.dkE:' pldC('! b"'!i:.IAI('!E!I'l those t.hlnE!E! jndiu:icluaJs i:'l.ncl t.lw s tor· y brokE! on 1. y 1·.IAIO cl d y s a f L (;!I" No. 26 r~ 13 4-6

l:h •'ll Fol" -i 1 1-o l:w r'OI'li:!I•Jt:!d <·1y;ri n tiOI•I, T cl o not k llOIAJ IAJhi~t t -!- h(C! 1110 I ·i u •'1 1 ·i on i :; on b n h i'1 "I I or I h o ~; e poop] o . T do no ·t-_ knotlj IAJhr.~ L _i 1-.-_ is I b u 1- T do k n OlAJ 1· h.:'\ I u b wi o 11 5 -, y T .--un ht,H·L::. !-And The Sunday Express said T I)Jou -, d no 1- be . MR . FENWTCI<: Ml" . Sp\~i.'lkE!r, a suppl ('!lllc,~nt;-u·y . MR . SPEAKER: The:~ hon. l::he rnE~mbc-:!r for· Men:ihek, a supplE:'mentary. MR. FENWICK: My supplementary, Mr. S~H:~ai«:H', i. s t:hett. lAihat the Pr'E!mier SE!ems to be S IJ 9 9 e S t. -j_ Tl g i.

S t h ('\ 1--. 1.•.10 h r:'ltJ (,~ i'l couple:~ of :industr:ialists he!re IAJho <·11" E! p ~~ l. l L n g [··. h (~ s t r· i. n g s , or· i"l t least orchestr~ting the political (~ v (;! n 1'. ~; 0 r 1,: h ·i s p r· ()

l) i. n c (,' ' c l_ (~ ;:-1 r· l y ·H1Cll: j s cHl j nappro Pl"icl tE! thing to h r.-1 t; e:1 h ;:~ p p c~ n . My q11os 1: ion 1-o HH~ PI"C~IIJ "i CH' ·i !; l"h.i s : 0110 of t·:he r·ea~>OI ' 1s thE:1Y can g E! 1: r:-11Mr1 y ,,,.i I h i' lr i s ··i s ~H' ! c: i'lll s e I· hEd I" corl'f·r ·:i bu t:iow ; to any pol ·i ·I i 1: ;:-1 l p <·1 r· I y d r· e - s C:! c r· r:~ I , n c I cl'ivu]gE~d by r.~ny JE•g:islation :in I hi 5 Pr·ot; i nee~ MHI i heir · i nl'1t.tencr:!. 1· hE!r't'!fOI"B I cannot bE!

CIS cer·ta:ine:1d I so t~Jill yotJ r·enE~IAJ ih<~ c:olrunil'.lllenL t-hat you rnC\de in 1979, tAJhen you rr'ln for the l.eadersh l p of t he P.C. Par·ty I to bd.ng in E!lecU .on rE!forrn bE!for·e the next. elect .t on so that: lliE! know who ts supporting the l. :i.benJ.l.s, 1.1.Je knot.u t•Jho i. s suppor ·l:ing thE! ToriE!S I and 1.ue knoi.AJ IAJhO i.S SIJppor•t: ·ing I~S? f.l'E'C0\I~SE! clearly th:is kind of influence, Mr. Speaker, is not approprial'.e. SOME HON. MEMBERS: 1-i<"!ar, hE!dl"! Mf~. SPEAK!- R: TIH! hon . Hte Pr·em :ier· . PREM l Ff~ PFCKFOlW : I 1 31+7 Apl"·.n 291 1.988 IJol XL.

Jh;~1 · - ~ !; i"\ l"c)<~- 1'1 y good poi n i , Mr . ~3pE:! akE~r·. As J t ol.d t. h~:· LE!ddHr' of I h c ~ 1\J I H' f' ;:H' I y ~; C:ll II r~ 1 i 1 rw 1:'1 g 0 , I•.J E! nl" e IAJO r· k :in g on t 1·1 e cl c t: . M R_. F l.l f~ F Y : M r :3 p o ,.., k e I" • MR . SPEAKER: rh(,~ hon. t:h<~ IJI(~rnbE!r for· ~) 1:: ' R<.H'be ' MR. FUREY: Mr . -SpE:~i>lk~:!r', I•.JE! t•.Ji:~nt-. l::o thank l::hE! PrE!rnier for tabling thE! or·dE!r of e v ~~ n 1. s IAI i. t h r e s p EH: I;. I;. o \:: h E! helicopter simulator and Sealand lit,11 'i. copl ... er·s.

T. 1.~1ould li.kE! l':o ask would the Prernie!r ' undE!rtakE! to Lable the Order in Council approving the provin c ial got;er·rnnenl~ qu<:·\l"r~ntE ' !C of :J;H. 3 million? Would the Premier 1 1 n d o r· 1·. "' k r~ 1': o do 1·. h r:-1 1- ? Ml~. SPFAI<ER: The hon. thE! PrE!ITI:iE!Y'. pREMIER PECKFORD: T IAJ i ·11 I <-1 l<r'! ·j ·I· und e i" r:-~ clv i S PfiH'!I'lt ·. I hav e no h E!

S.it at: :i o n in l:.ablinq t•Jh;:., 1 r:- u .-:!r·· ·i s noJ" Jrl·~ · 1 I o i·r::t bl ,,, ;::t~; i 1- rel~te s to tha t lAihoJe hel i copt e r s -; 11111 -, .:·1 h:w l: lr i n g . !3 o [ IAJ i ll '::1 e 1·. a package together and have it: l':i.•1bl r~d. () 1-1 T cl i d OVEH'n .. i.ght IAJb\ 5 get the people go get the dates on it·. , bui" I hdVE! no pr·oblE·In. As you k 1'101.1.1, i. t. ·i. s not i"' de a 1. y E! t. , becauSE! thE! company has not agrE!E•d ~o its s lcle of the bargain, s o nothing has bE!E!n sigrwd cls of ·this dai:E! .

But: 1.:1-w offEH' 1Ali:1~ ; made and that 1.11as as fclr as rAJ~:! wetno prepctrGd 1-:o go way back then. But. I tAJ:ill get as much of the doculriE!nl:.r.~t:i.on as -is ;:,1ppr·opr·'i.at:c,1 l:.o table outlining all of that stuff . Ml~ . c;IJL.I .AGF : Mr· . SpE-) ai<E!I" . MR . ~>P F AI<FR : No. 26 Rl347

The hon. l:.he rnHmbE!r for Wat:er ·for·cl --· l<enmount. . M R . GU L L_.B_g_I: A qlH!S ·t. ·ion r:o Ut('! r..,i.nisi ·E!Y' of F·.irli:lrtce (Mt~. W:indsor) concE!rn:ing t: h (,~ U n f 1.1 n cl E! d 1 . i. c:t b i. l. i.

I: y i. n I· h ('! gouornment' s pE!rtSion plans, <Htd I IAJould l , ·i . k~ : ! r.o r·<;!c:ld, ·f -L r·s I of c·1·1·1, fr·om the::' notE!S of thc::1 fj nanc :ial ~>tr'ILE:~tilE!nl-·.s of l::h~~ Publ ·i c Accounl · s of last year. 'The Prouince is CIH'Y'E!I'l 1-l.y ·j l'liJUS l: ·i.gr'li i ng i:tl t (,~J"nr.ttj u<-?.s fot" thE:1 adr::~quatJng f11nd ·i ng of CIH'J"enl : sr,H'tJ i 1: e c:os 1-s a n d ~ h ''1 r· e d u c t i o rt o r· t h e l~-1 i lfl i.nr.ti ion of dC 1-tlr~r · i ,,,, 111'11-undr~d l:iab:iJjUec of these pJans.' :ram s p 0 .. ~ k ·j n g s p 0 c -j f i Ci-1 l l lj () r I:.I·Jr:! unfunded licibiJJty .

My question is: C i uen Utcd: I hr~ r:·1r: l·l.lc-H'"i.r:-11. r·epor·ts rE!CEd u<,1d by 1-:.hE! gouE~rnmE!nt. do noi : Y' E!COrtllllond r:-1 fund·i ng lfH~ !.hod t o r· <'! d u c E! t he d e f i c :l E! n c i E! s i n t: h E! u <H' ·i o 11 s p 1. a n s , lvu; I. h o subcommittee of the Pension Inuestment Committee yet r'E!COnmtendE!d an appropr:late TnE!Utod of f1 .1ndi.ng to <-:"!nStJre t.hal: l:: ht;! future liab:ilities of the plan s , fur.· .t.n' E1 b<;!rwfit .s, i.f you l. .LkE!, ;:,n·~:! supported? MR. WT.NDSOR : Mr . Spei:iker . MR . SPEAKER : Th0.1 hon . t1ie:1 M:i nis I:EH' of FinanCE! . Ml~.

WTND~')OR: Mr· . Speak-er·, it :is a pJ easure to 91~i i3. qi . I(~Sl : Lon l:hc:1i' i ~; !IIIH'r~ pr:~t"Li rH::.rl'l: l o t. h~~ issue 'than i:h<'! 0 1'1 l:! f; l g 0 i yeS i· C:! r· d <·1 y I I" 0 Ill I h n I C!r.lder· of rhe NDP Par" l·· y (MI". FnntAJ·ick) on lh:~ Sdlflt~ quc! s i··ion oF pEHtr.:i on FtHid:ing .

And the anst.a.H~H' is i.:hr:·1l: -L nd<:!C'!d I~JH hr·1tJ<~ receiiJPd aC'l· u<H'oi.r.l1 rr:•por·t.s at1d our PE!ns :ion lnUE!St:ln<;!nl : CornrrJ"i.l·.:i:~:!~~ hi'·1S sl·:ud ·ied ti'IE!rrt <:trtd :i s mak :ing CE!r-l:r.dn r··<,'COifiiTJ<,1ndat·i.ons t:o <JOIJE!I"nrn~ : !nt:, ;:·1nd t.a.JE! a r'E! co r1 sidE! r:i ng the who 1 E! Ll348 Apr··Jl 29, 19B8 Vol. XL qu<->.st.'i.on of hou.J do J.l.IE! ntE!el:: t:hE:! unfundE!d 1iabil:i.ty of thE! pension funds . And t.hdl ··. i.s E!X<.'lci:ly, d~'; J have stat:E!d al.rE !ady, what L\JE!

JJJ :.i. s h l·o di.scu ss wil: h l.rw IJnion s , because it is not our pension pl.iHl, it·. ·Ls UH:! ~~tllpl.oyH(:!S pc;!ns ion pl.an. We adnJint s t('•r :il·. on t:he ·:ir· b<,1hr'1l f' c'1rtd IAJO -j n LE!nd l: u s ·i l·.: cl o i~Ji'l jointly t.t.Jit.h t.hE!rn to discu s s t.t.Jcly s <Htd 111!~<'11'1 s of clr:!rtl ·i ng IAI .. i I h l· ll<'! diff:l.cult : ies tha ·l: WE! pE!rce :i vo f o r· 1-.hn f 111·. 11rr:! . MR. r;u I_ L()GE : A suppJ ementar·y . MR. SPEAKER: n S11ppl .eJIH'! n ·l iH' Y I 1 h o hon' LhC:! me rn b E:1 r f o r· w-a t E! r· f o r d - K (;! n rn o u n t. . MR.

GULLAGE: r)"j'(;f'-i.: h <~ a C i:: II i:H' i. i'1 l f i 1" 111 i'1 i: liH! l-: i. I 11 E! I arn spE!aking of thE! acl:ucH' '1i'.l..l s L: u d y l: h"' 1: J•.Jc:~ s d 0 n (;! i3l f [· C:! ,~ J l.ll y 1980, whE:1n in fact thE! goUE!rnrnenL star·t<;!d t:o fund to fund l:: hE! plan s -- recommend rnatch:lng contr:.Lbut::ion s 01" d "id t.hC'! gOUE'~Y ' nlnE!I'll:: oinCI"(' ! i ~ S e i t. S share because of Jt s failure in t: h e p c'l s l:·. t o ad u "i s (,' 1·. h <'! u n ·i. u n s o F proper funding requ:i.red i n n<'!got . i.at.-Lon s <'1+.: t.hE! bdr' g a .. i.ning t.abJ.e? MR. WINDSOR: Mr·. Speaker . MR.

SPEAKER : Tl·w hon. l : hr~ M·i. n i si:.<H' of f>i rtiHlce . MR. WINDSOR: Ml". Speakc'!Y', you knotAI, l.t.JH iH' ~ ~ La ·l king i·\bo11i· P~' !ns · i ( ll'l: > hf'!I" E'!, 11.1 <'! ar·f:~ not ta11cing about. co 1 1.ecL :iuE! brH'gdi n i.ng . T h:~SI"! r.H ·· ~~ 1.-.IAIO issues. The collto'Ct:.iu~: ! bargaining p r· o c C:! s s s i HIP I y g 1.1 d r· d n t f'• e s t h a 1:: t.hE!rE! sha 1 1 bE! a pE!n s ion fund put. i. n p "l F1c e. T he I"E'!I"IfiS "'tnd conditions of that pension fund ''1 r· (,' s o rn <'! 1:: h i n g 1.: h c:-1 I: i. l> d i ~; c u s s E· d j oint1y w:i t.h Hw un:i.ons on a No. 26 R131J.8

f.E!par·ctt<,~ be:~s-.is fi"Orll t-h~~ col1E!Ct:i ng b <:·1 I" 9 d i n .. i n g fll" o c 1'! s '-' . An ri I h t:·\ 1- ·j s cl~~ ir ~;houJd b(:!, becCluse jt- :-i~-; a sop o:-1 r· ,,, I· C'! i ~; s 11 ''! . r h c '" 1: 1-1 1 .:-~ r· y b ,,, s i ,: •:·1. 1 1 y 1 e 1 1 s 11 s lA I h i'l 1- ·[· h l'! f i I' I a 1'1 C j i:l 1 p 0 S :i i- ·_j 0 rl 0 f '\:. h E• pc~ n ~; i () n p l iHl -j s l'lOIAJ I c:'ll'ld IAri ., -1 l:w j n '1-.E:Ht yE!i'lr's, tiAIE!I'lty year·s, thir·ty lj~~iH'S f.·\11d fifl:y IJC:!c'H'S fi"Oifl l'lOIAJ.

Obviously, then it Js up to q o v e r· n rn E! n t: a n d 1·:. hE! u n i. o n s j o i n 1·-.l.y to decide how to deal with any def-i.ci.enc i.c-:'!s thcd: i'lre l:here. There ar·e many ways of doing it, and 1::he~l: is obvi.ousl.y IAJhal-. IAJe have to sit do1.un and discuss 1.uith the tJni.ons our:1r '1-:hE! nr:~x t nt.lmb.:~r of weeks, months and years . MR. GUI .. LAGE: A f-inal s(:ipp1E!mE!ntary. MR. SPEAKER: A--f:inaJ supplernent.ar·y . MR. CULL AGE: (~ ·i IH' n Hn:~ i: <Hl s IAJC~ r·. Mr· . S p ~~ d k rn·.

IAJ:ilJ · l:h(~ govenHriE!nt no1~1 hclVr:~ <:·1 no 1: h 1'! r· d c: 1: u i'l r· i. d l d s ~; r:· s s mr~ n I done , !~ i 1'1 C: E! .i.-!- .J f. 1'1 OIAJ 0 V E! r t hI" (,H,' y E~ C"ll" S s i n c: I'! I h (~ l c'l s i d c l·tJ ,, t' -j "' -1 r' C:!

l) i I'! lA) liJi--1:. d CHI c,1 , r.11'1 d at UH;! t :i rrH:! of 1·:. h ro?. l a s l: t:·1 r: 1: t 1 i'll'' i a l r· r=! tri r,, IAJ 9 o lJ 1- ~ r n HH:! n I· promised that every three years, 'Ln F;:~c 1: I ;:-1 F i.J"ln t~Joul d be~ eng;:-1god ·1- o do an actuar'icll reui (:11AJ of thE! p t'! n s i. o n p l d n s I· o "' lJ o -; d 1.. h c,~ problems that could occur C"lS OCCIIrY'E!d i.n t:ht-:> pdsl· . . StJch

an act.:udr·L;:~ - 1. r·f~lJiew t~Jould give proper· act.uar'ia1 advice on a CIJr'Y'E!rlt. bas-i.s tOIAJat"dS thE! IJnfundt;!d liability and do a cc-~sh flolAI analysts as L•.Hdl.. Wi.l.l. l':.h ·i.s -be done before negotiations start 1.~ri 'Lh t.:hE! t.ln -i ons concer·n i.ng th~=! i r· proposed contributions in the FIJ Lilt"(:~? Mf~. SPEAI<FR : The,~ hort . the M:in.is l:C'!t' of FinrHICE! . J.. 1 ] ll.q Apr··il. 29, '19Bil !Jo I X I. MR. WINDSOR: Mr· :·3pt:!alu!r·, IAJC'! did oi.ndHed ·i nd:i.

C d 'l:li:~ l:. hC"l t IAJ~~ IAJOU] d I:J('! d O:i I'I<J d t: i I I , ·~I" ·j c'l l S I I I cJ -j (! c;. 0 1'1 i'1 C 0 1'1 i·.·. i l'l 1.1 i 1'1 ~~ bas :i. s cl n d 11.J~~ havE! b ('!en do ·.in q I h d I lr.lc! I" e t: e I'll ·1 1j I' ' r:: c f'! -j lJ e d i'·Hl C"lctuar:ial study on the teachers' p t ~ n s i o n p l , .. , n tAJ h ·i , : h ~~~ f'! I.•J i I l b f:! d t scuss:ing with thE! NT A VE'I"Y shor·lly. And i~-11 . ponsion pli:'tl'lS w:ill bE! donE! eVE!r'y thr'E!E! YE!iH's :in 1:. h o F u t: 11 r· <-:~ , m ~' t•JC:~ co I IIIli i. l:: t c,, d government to a number of yeC"lrs c:~ g () ' MfL W. CARTER: Ml".

SpeakE!r . r:1_R . S P E A K E R : l"h (:~ hon. the TIM-i 1.1 ·i ngd t-r,~. MR. W. CARTEf~ : Ml" . ~:lp<'!i:·1kr;!r, JIIIJ CJIIOsl.:·ion go~'!S t-.o the hon. the Premier. Last 0 c t: o b f'! r , rJJ r . ~:l p t' H k t'! r , t•J h l'! n 1·: h E! Canada-France fishery boundC"lry d ·j s p 11 1- r:! I~Ji'l s '' i -; I s h n L q h 1-. , I hE!

Premier suggested, at least i n d i c .:-1 1 c d p 11 b 1 i c l '.1 1 h ;·:1 I 11 e 1~10 u l d be;! r'E!COITIITIE!nd-jtlg l..o Otl' .atAJi'l t.hat- Li·l c:!r·c! bn t: t=:l" lc'lin econo111'ic sanctions imposed against thC"lt co 11 n It" y A 1: I h t:! 1. -; trlf~ T. b ('! l. i e v E'! h E• taJked about. the nucJeiH' subrnC"lr·:inE! cunl.r'dCt l·h;:·1i" ·is soon fo bE• awarded, and I believe he rnr,Hl 1.:-i.on~~d t:h~:! A i r·bus con 1-:r·ac I T tAJond er did the P rE!rrd er ITIC"l b;! t.ha t. r· r:' p r· (~ s E! n t. "' t i o n I M r· . S p (,1 a bH' ? I f he did, what rE!SponsE! did hE!

Slf'•l:: back from the federal qovernrnent? MR. SPEAKER: ThE! hon. the Prern:i.E!r . PREMIER PECKFORD: Coo d q u E~ s i': ··i. o n . T 1:. h d n k l:: h e h o n . membE!Y' for TlAli.11ingat:E! fot~ j !: . WE• hHtJe, eiJC!I" s 1 ncH I hr:'1l.. L:i 11H:! I bef:!n tr·y-.ing to .irnpr ·ess upon th~:! federal 9 o lJ e r· nltl f'! n I , i n tAl r· i. I· i n q c::t n cl otherwise, our concern that the 1\Jo ? (i R ·1 31!-9

federal government is trying to s o 1 v E:! t:·. h i. ~; i. s s u e , 1.11 h ··i c h ·i !> r· E:! <.·11. l y in our· v:ietAJ a national "issuE!, only on l:: he ~HH:Ic; of l :: h(~ f"i.shc;!I"IIHHl oF" Newfoundland and the fishery of NE!IAJF"ound1 r:1ncl. And 1.1.1e h d v C'! b PC'! n on t: o Ex i: ('! r' n c:~ l Affairs, to our federal rt:!pr'(~sen't.r:·1i:ive ·in l::h<'!

Ci'1b·inel.: dnd others 't.o try and get them to (~ n 1. i'H' g (:1 i. t , 1-: o 1.1 !; c-:1 r:·1 1 l. oF I: he ]E:1VE~rs at !:.heir· d:isposal in tradE! <'lnd coHnnc'!r'Ct'! bt::11.:t~H:!t:!n Fri:HlCH .:1nd Ci:lnada as r.1 means t.o getting this i.h ·ing sol\J~;!d, nol·: j11sl · on i · hr~ f :i r.~ll;H'Y.

We-:> h<'AVe not bE!C;!n ver·y suc:c:(~ssftl.l We h<~1tJr~ nol· bnr=!n IJ(!t' Y ~~ (j c c ("'! s sf u J ' ThE·! y J·, d u r:~ r· (;• s :i. s U'! d u ~; j n g 1 r:" v (;!r' s o i I'll': r· I h •Hl j 11 ~; I go i n g 111 i 1 h ,- ·i !; h qt.lol i'.lS a11d then go:i ng on to the b 0 I J n d c:H' '!} . ~.,j (;! h r't IJ (~ l'l () l b 0 l:! l"l \J f! I" y successful :i.n gett:irtg t:h(~ ft:!dc-:1raJ gouer ' nJtJCHll to look r:·1i: this · inc:~ ~ror.1der way. We have insisted upon i.l dS d ProuincH . I hdve i'.ll"gued For· :it, the M:inistE!r of F i. S h (cH' i (c1 S ( Ilk .

R i. cl (c' 0 U t:) h i'l S , I"' h f~ Minister of Intergovernmental Aff;;dr·s (Mr. Dat.,.JE!) has i.n l.C'!1··U!r'S and "i n mE!Btings that IAIE' have had IAJ "i.l~h +-hc;lrn. WE'! f "'ind i:".hc,~rn vc,1J"y, very intransigent on this point. I t.hink i. t. is c;!xl·.:r'c-:1rn~:ll.y unfortunatE!. I think history will r'c-?.cor·d i·.h<'l 1": the Can<::td i i::tn gover·nnrent IAk~S VE!ry, VE!ry tAJY'ong to t.r:~l<c.;! l· hc,1 C:·1ppr'Odch 1-.hr'li"·. !:: hey dr'n cont.:i nu".i ng to t.r.lkc,, on thJs . They h ;:., IH1 n C"tl" r' otAH:! d ·i i ~ d UIAJI'l d n d IVHJ c,1 no 1-. tJ;, El d o "i: her· 1 H v e r s .

WE! cont. :i. n u e to .. ins ·is I . b11l IJlP ;u·e no I· bwi ng l hi'1 1 ~~ 1.1 c c (~ s ~; f lJ J . MR. W. CAinER: A Stipp "'l r-~Jilf:!tl l i'try. Mr· . ~pc~rilu::r· M R . ~:) P r:: A I< I· r~ : T i·l('! l·1ol't . F ()I" Ll3 50 Apr· ·il 29, 1988 Vol. XI. MR. W. CARTER: Mr~3peai<Z!~ I i·lrn r·c.~ l::her· sul"pr·i sr'!d to hear that, bE!CaUSE! it.: puts in qu(~S 1":. Lon, oF cour~;(!, l:hH IAJ.".i.sdom :i.n alJ.owing Otl::awa to hi-AVE• a s<:lY :l.n ;;1ppoi.ni":i.nc~ a JtJ~:!cli.i:'il.:or" t·.o sr:~t.t.l(' that dispute.

If that is the C~tt. i t:udt:' bn i.ny t:akon by LhE! fE!deral governrnE!nt, that they arEl n 0 1:. IAJ i '1 l i. l'l g 1- 0 1- i'1 k ('! 1:: h ('! S E! S i:". ('! p S , surely then one wouJ.d have to q u n s ~ : i_ o n 1-. he i r s i n c lH' -L 1·. y . Mr. Sper:~kc!r', hc:~wing s,:~id Hli:'t~·. I t h a n k t h E!

P r' e m i E! r· F o r h :i s cH' s tAlE! r· -· -j 11 l ""i g h I o I" p r' e ~; s r· P p o 1" 1.: s E!rnanating from Ot.li:11Ala i .n I~E:'cent dc:·1YS I o i hn c=:fir :!r;1· ll'ldl Air· CiHldcli:·\ is about to or may have already ,:~I~J<:H'dr:!d i.·1 r: on I· ['.:-1 c 1: ro r t: h j r· i· y ... f OIJ r· A ·.i. I" b u s a :i r· c r· a f t 1":. o 1'.1 c o rn p a n y L h a t. i ~; b r:~ s r:• d . T b r.~ l ·i C:! IJ e , i n , . .- t' r·l n c l'! :if not, :it:.

CE!rta:inly has a J.ClJ"ge i: r'C;!nCh COiripononl : i.n Li": f 1.1JOJ'lciE:! r' has the Premier made ,~C'!pr·esc:!nl:.al : i.on r·ec:c:!rtL1y l:.o l::ht:! fE!dE!ral gOVE!rnHIE'!nt IAJ:i.th a v:LOIAJ l:o hctu i. ng thAt action si:".opped? IF they are sincere about settling +-.hr'1t di"9LIIliC;•nt, I~JP - 11. l :: hc~n surHly this is not the way to do it. Has 1·. h t'! P J" '~ rn ""i. E! r· b E! e n L n c o n l.: a c 1- IAI ·j t:. h h:is federal counterpart recently l o , r~ g d i. n , p 1. C'! ad IAJ-L t: h 1: h E! rn no t t. o go ahead with that contract? MR . SPEAKER: i'I"H~ hon. the;! Pr'E!lll:ic:!r.

PRFMIER PECKFORD : We were aware of Air Canada's ·inlJO-IlJHHwnl : ,,,·iih Ait"blls ;:~ lonq t.ilfiE:! ago,· artd, al: l.:hat po ·.i nt.: j_n I iltll~. 11Jdr!r:1 r•r:!pr·c,'senl : ;:~l :: i.on on subrrrar:inE!S, on A:ir· Canada, cHid on o I h e r · I h i 1"1 y s t !·1 C:! y c Cll r ·1 c:l d o . A s a s matter" of ff'.lct, back on Januai"Y 21~. t~Jhr=ln i hdt i nf<'1Jilous ayr·eolrJ(.'•n1·: J'li''~' s :i g n e d tA.r.:i. t h F 1" a n c E! o n t h :i ~' tAl h o ] E'! bu~;·i.nr::~;s, l·hc·~I"C'!

IAJ.:-15 i:'tr'Otlnd l:.hal".: t:i.me dnother agreement signed b(~i":.t•Jenn Cdnddr:·1 <:'tnd I·:·J"r"'ll'lC(;! on general trade. We indicated at No. 26 Rl3SO

l h i'l t [- :i ITIE! that they IAJB I" E! s o r· 1·: o f c o n I· r· ;:~ d ·i c: I o r· 1J C.'t n d ·HH'!IJ d10uJ d not I"II<We ahlo~acl on r'\(j I" f;l(;! I lll'Hl I Hlr'1 I I he lj h ;·., d bE:~ing I h;:'ti t·.hat ~ · )o t•J e hdiJ(~ po ·i r11 ed Ofl"l In I hc·111 1"1•::·1 (I n J y l h <-~ A .i '" I:Jlj s , b u t· s u I:H1 1 r.;, r · :i I'll=:! s iHld ull"ll'!f' l~l"ing!; 1 Hlo:~niJ~ lllr'!I"IIJ olhel" t lri n~~s "1-hcd CiHicH~a couJ d havE:~ done:! r· ·~ I hI'! r' l: h r:·1 t1 j 1.1 s "I" II s (o! I he r· ·i s ~11'! r· lj I b u t . t h <:~ y h a v E:' no t.

I:H~ e n co-·· ope r· .~., 1: i l.JC:! on I. h ;?J1: s cor· e . l h r:~ '1". Js clearly where the federal gov<,H'niiHHl"l: 1.s corning frorn. Th~=!y indicated they were going to do some studies to look ~~ other t-hings, but tAlE! have not: seE!ITI VE!ry much back fr·om th<;!rn on "i.l:. At all. our· mE:~E!tings IJJE! have al.Wt-J.YS i. n s -L s t. e d t: h a t t: h <;! y c;! n 1. <.H' g e i 1-. . What IJJe have donE! there is c1eclr, biJ t: l:.h~1y iH'<'! not. c;,agliH' t:o do it .. Mf~. SPEAI<ER: Or·cler, please! T he ·t-:Jme for· Or·a] Questtons has c,1l.Rpsc;!d. MR. W.

C(lRI"EI~: By 1 ~:!Cl.VE~ I Ml"' ~3pE!CII«;!I" . PRFMIER PFCI<FORD: N () . [ I i I i s a ~II lo! s i ·j 0 n

I) r I ~~ i:-1

I) e . T tAriJl clE~i:.tl IAJ:-i ·l·h ·it on Monday, tf 1J o 1 1 IAJ d n 1 lfH~ 1 o . MR . rU L K : Mt" . Sped. k c,H'. MR . ~iPEAI<FR : The"! hon. l::h~1 lfl~~111be1~ for Fogo . MR. TULI<: T. r·:isf'! lo giv<'! not:icc;! of r.\ of privilege, and I hope honour IAllll. understand why doing :it a ltttle J.atE!r on, point Your T. arn as I get through why in fact. I arn I o ·F giving the Chair notice that ·in i:".f:!nd l::o poinL pr·:i vi].E!g<,1. 1.. "I ] ~i l Apl"i.l /.9 1 '19BB l)ol XI MR. SPEAKER : . A p o i n i· o I fll'' i wi l C! q r=! , ITI E! ITI b E~ I" f 0 r F 0 g 0 . MR. TUL.I<: l : h(~ hon.

Mt' : · ipC:!·~~kr:-r· T glue nol icu For' t.I•JO r'f>.dsons, ar1d I d· .. id not.: r··.isE! C:!o:H·l irn· fOl" i· I•JO r'C:!d!o.on~ ; ~ i:'lnd 1- h ;'li:. is I b<,1]·.i.E:1VE! thc,1 PI"E:!IfliE!I" i1·1 Q11r ~s I .. ion Pro! I" i od I his 11101"1'1 i ng I and I r'E!fer Your· Honour to B(;! auchE!sne, ~ - )c,1c 1. ion 81, co u1 d IVtiH! pl:'!l"l 'ldp s cJ.e!ared up the rnattE!r by agr'N! ·in~J l·:o ·t·.r:-11<<,1 c<,~r·1 ·. ; :~ i. n acl·.ions i. n l.:hE! House, given the fact: that the llouso ·is t.he Hli:\s ·l:er· of i t·s o t~Jn fatE!. MR. J. CARTER : What ts the po t nt of pr i vilege? MR. TULK : Mr·.

SpE!akE!r, ·Uw point of p r· i. IJ i. l <'! g C:! i. s s -i_ rn p l. 1J +: h "i. !; I I: h a l.: a member of the pub1ic has accused a lfiE:!lilbr,lr of lhi s "l.E•g-Lsl.at:IH'<'! of lying, I understand, Jn t h e 1 Pg isl a 1 " 1.11"(~ r:-1I:Jo11 I· !; ri'l 'I"" E'! IIH'! I"I Ls 1·.h<:'1i:: hE! made i.n thE! J. c;!gi!d.atur ·t:!. Y o u r H o n o u r· , I IAJ".iJ J p r· o v Eo! 1 cd:. (o! I" , l I h i I" I k !; 11 b S I d n i ·j a 1 1 1j , I h ·~'l I· I: h <'!I" H .i. S a fll"irrta facir:' cCJ.se, bu ·l:. l hav <:• to r:-1 s k y o 1 1 r· H o no 1 1 r· 1 s g ' 1 i d d n c Eo! ,.,, 1'1 d judgement in this.

As I lil"ldr=!r' S l..:uld .. i I , if" T. <:·1111 I""O r· i ~>Eo' on a point of privilege in l::his Hou se bo~·1 SC:! <l 01"1 SOHlf~i : h · i ng I hdl:: l•.fi:'\S s;:'l"i d in the public pn,~ss, t:l-lE!n I rnust :. r·odd <H' pr0.senl :. l·o l.hE:! t. <~lblc,~, ~~ nd I refer your Honor again to ~;c,1ct ion B:l ·- AN HON. MEMBER : Are you giv i ng notice? MR. TULK : YE! s . AN HON . MEMBER : lfll E'! 1. '1 I g ·i ~J <'! no I ~ i. c e , MR. TLIL.I<: 1\Jo. /.6 I~ 1 3 r.; 1

But I w~nt to explain why I am git!i.ng noHcl~ J: dill giuing not ·it.:e i:\CCOJnciiny i.O

Section 83 which says that if I am l::o r·c;dsc,~ a point. of pr 'i.v i.l.c;,ge on something tn the public me,dia, I shoJ.Jl.d <·dl:h<H' 11 1"CcH~d 11 or· pr'C.;!S~Hlt that. to 11 the Table 11 • ~R. SIMMS: On R po·i nt. of MR. Speaker. MR. Tl.ILI<: I Cl.m on a polnt: of privilege . MR. SPF.:AKFR: 0 r· d Cc11'' I p ] ~:! a s "'~ ' MR. STMMS: --·---------, hr~ hon JIII'!IIJbt;!r' -is no I on a po ·i n1 of pI" j vi 1 <~ g ~=' , hE:~ i s g :1. v j n g not :i c e o r ,,, p o ·i. n I o i p r· i tJ -i l. C! g ~~ . MR.

SPFAKFI(: l-1.1<~ · hon. llll':~mber· is rE,cognJ.zc:,d at p r· <:~ s <:' n I o n i.~ p o -L n I· o f F>r' i lJ i. -1 e g c . Ml~. S fi'-1Mf) : You c~J"C:~ on l:.he point: of pr·ivi1E!9E' 1'101~1 ' MR. TUL.I<: Mr. Speaker, I rely on your HonoiH' 1 S judgc,~mE!nl: hE!I"l':~ i:\S t.o whether I have to present the t:apes or· Lranscri.pts of l::hc~ h~p<:!S from some of the radio stations in l: h -L s Pro v ·i n c e no t. -L n g 1-. h (:~ wo r· d ~; of one Mr. Craig Dobbin, or whether I UHI n01~1 pr·~:!S~:ll'lt illY po ·inl:: of pr•oiuoil c,~gE:~.

If Your· Honour is noJAI pr·epHrud l::o h<'li:'\1" l:ho po ·inl: or pr·:ivj lc,~~~<~ j n spoi t E:~ of Sect.i on 83, l illlll f>r'c;,par·c,~d

h) Flr'I~S<'!I'li· "i.i no1~1 MR. SPf(.)I<ER: lhP hon . I he P r· ('! s ·i den I· o (' I he Counc:il. MR. ~3TMMS; Ml"' SpE!CikC'!I" I to that point of 1...1.352. ApJ"i.l 29, 19HH Vol XI.. privilege. · It is a flagrant abuse Ot lhc:~ I"Ult:!S. lhe hon. IIH;!I'JibeJ"S aJ"El s:impl.y tr·y:i.ng l'.·.o con i·.::i.nUE! 1~1::i l:.h J.•.Jhi'tl· l" h<:! IE~<'1dE!r' of l·.he Oppos.il· :.·i.on started yesterday, and everybody knows t~.Jh<~t: t.hey ;u·c'' 11p l·o.

FoJ" political purposes and nol::hing el.s~:!, th~~y ar·~~ tJ"Y i.nq t.:o caJ"r'y on th:ls charade' - that i.s all 'it j f:;, a c h a r· "' d E~ o u E'! r· s o rn c;, L h i. n g s :.i. 11 y and simple and which the hon. IIIC:Hnbc,H'S C.H'l:1 tr·y i.ng t:o Jlldi<E:~ .Lnto some.thing larger and grandiose. i"h(~ lflE!JIIbc;!r sa i.d I·H:l I•.JHS go i.ng t.o give notice of a point of p r· i tJ i 1 c,~ g E~ , M r· . S p E:~ a k Elf' . HE~ d :i. d not say he was standing on a point of p r· i. l)'i ·1 o g c . :;) 11 b s n q 11 cHI I 1. y , yo l.l r· Honour then said he was on a point of pr·itJ"Llogc~ .

Tf l·h··1i·. lAid~; <:·1 point: of p I" i u j 1 e g c-?. , M I" . S p e a i<EH' , I IAii 1 ] I ('! ., ., ':1

f) II ' I h ('!I" I I I h -j ~: H 0 II s (,1 -;, s really, really falling apart:. ThE~ rE' t s no r: I -j s <:-1 poi. n 1· point: of pr:ivi1ege . o f F o o 1 -;, s h n u s s . SOME HON. MEMBERS : He:~ar, hear! Mf~. SPEAKER: To t: h a t p o -; n i': o f p r· ·i v i. 1 c:• g ('! r· a i s t:! d by the han. rnE,rnbe~r I arn going to look -inr:o t:hc'! nrat .. l.<'!i" i:~nd r 1~d . Jl have more to say about it on Mond;:<~y. Orders of the Day MR. SfMMS: ~ Spe~aker, I C:·1k(~ ncc:or·d I Mot:'ion 3, thE! M1~ech adj OIH'I'lC'!d by I· hE~ John 1 s East ExtloH'n rriE!rnbe r for· S t . (Ml" PAr·~;ons). MR.

SPEAKER: Thf:' hon . I hf~ JJJf~Jnbr:!r' for· ~)I . John 1 s East Extern. SOME HON. MEMRFRS : HE:!ar·, hc,~ar·! No. 26

s ~H! i n g I h i'·l I d c 01 .1 p ., (:! 0 r I~Je (! k s h i'llJ (! FJa~;sr::~d s:inc~~ T closE:'d th'is dE!bcttE!, l lflighl o:'IS IAJ(!1l r'C!fl "e!;h Ill':/ lil "inc:J •lS h) 1~1hcd. T hiid se:~j d, CJ.I'Id pE!r'haps 11'11:! olh,:!r· 11H~111ber ·!; t)l~ 1he A!~:. t:!lllb l y . I ~; p <) k C'! db Old . I h (! Q llr:!l:l C:! c ~~il-uct · l-. ion, br->.ing <'.t d:ist'.inct soc i.e I· y , ;:·\ n d [ t.•H·\I'd 1: o II II·\ k e i f quite clear to all hon. members i :h<:1.l.: I hr:·\d d·i.f'f ·icu -lly IAJ 'ilh lhal· sjl·uat-.ion.

T hctd difficulty in sdy Lng I:: hi'\ I- dnyone coul c:l be doistinct in a family which I think CanHda is . 11.: ·is A IAJeHldE!rful. countr·y, a farnily, and a great nat.:'i.on . T. gave-:! i.t a 1ot .. of t:hotJghi::, Mr·. Speaker, and I said there was J"eal 'ly no l:h i.ng changE!d dS far· i'\S the Quebec situation was c CHl c E! r rll'::' d , r· i.'l t h E! r· A n i"' f f i. r· rm'l 1.: i o n of IJJhat ctlr·eady IAJa!; t.aking place.

QuE! ~H"! c '''"' s d l.t.•.Jr:~ y !> a d -L s t: ·i n c t-: society language-wise and C Ll 1 t: U r• E! ·-lA I i. .s E! , !) 0 Y' E! i'.·\ 1 1 y t'l ll. lA I(~ l10p(~ to do tAr.:i.l. h the Mc"•ech Lake~' A c cor· d t s 1: o p 11 1: 1-. h d i L n IAJ r· -ii-· ·i n g , l·o g:ive ·l':hel'll l·:he:d· in a factual tAJi'IY. Mr·. Spedkr:!r' r"l r· . ~ p e r:·\ k l'! r· . I h r~ f>r:·' I :r- ·i l·l I i n n o (" i h C! c u n s 'I' i t· u t j on j n 1 CJ 8 2 tAla s Can ad e:~ 1 ~; gr·r~a Les i· r:ons i i.l:11i · ion a 1 c~ I"' inr·i in h·.i:.tol~y.

Ci:Hletda hi'.l(; ct moder·n rc~dEH'i:ll ·ion, bttl 11p un 1 i l. :19H ;.> had t o s e-:'! (:1 I< ad v :i. c e->. f o r· c h i'Hl g e s IA.I'.i t. h :i n i 1. s p ,., r· 1 ·i. a 111 P n 1 , ,;., n d 'i. n 1 q a ? 1 h H 1:. ceased. It also provided a C h a r· 1.: E! r of R L g h I s rHH:l F r· C:1E! d o 111 s , sorneth.i.ng again th;:tt was a gr·eat a dl'i.e v e-:'!rnEHl t. in t: h i s tAJO nd o rf11 1 countr·y of our·s. Bu-1-, Mr•. SpE!ctket", one prov inco who that Accor·d.

A11 donE!, c.~nd E!Ven if :i.i:. tAJa5 flau.1ed by r't:!fused l:.o s·ign Meech Lake has L L tAlc:·\!) "' ll t h d t.: L 13 S3 Apl":il 29, 1988 Vol. XL. it· did, tAJas to br·:i.ng ·i.nlo .~., Fa1r1i1y oF br·ing:i.ng QUE!bE!C Co n s I ·i I 1 1 i i o n "' '1. A c c o I" d I Lake would be worth it . Canada aga:i.n P('•op1"' by into thE! l:h~:!n Meech Ml". SpPr.tker·, MPecl ·t l.i:lke t.ook a ·.lot. u i e i i

l) r· I n n b f'! h r::t l F u F I h <'! F i r· s 1·. Moin:istel"~; to bl" :i ng Quebec :i.nt:.o our· tdlfl i ·1 y Hl'ld i ·I is t'\ c~r· t:!.::t I· ddy for· Ct'ln<Hld IAJhon I· his d ·i d hr.·\ppr'!tl. Mr· .. ~-)p!~r•\kr:!r', IAH'! 1'1<:-\d sollif'! chanqE!S Jn the tmnligral:ion J atAJS tAJhf:!r'e p r· o 11 ·i n c r~ s r::t n d 1·.: h e c ('! n -1:'. t" '" 1 government partic:ipated in the ru1 c~s c.HHJ l"f:H:!JI11 dt: ions pC'!r'l:;:d. n i. ng to i.mmigration. RE!aJ.ly all that. i.s hdppE!n i ng as fi'lr' •'1!> 1- ht'!

Mt~('!C h Lake Accord · is concernE!d i.s Lhat p r· u v i ncr~ s can h ~-~ u E! rno I" r:• i. n p u t in l.: o immigration which I cannot see a n y t h i. n CJ tAll" o n g 1~ri 1:: h , a n d c e'! r· 1.: a i r 11 y the provinces should be part of. As far as immigration concerned, Mr. SpeAker, t.he result i.s that if there i.ncolnpr:\t· ... i.bi .l"i I".Y, l.:hc:! fE!dt::!r'R1 pr'E!Vai .1s. is · (:!nd lS 1 dl~l Ml" . SpE!ai<E!r, aga·J.n, on the;!

Supr'E:•rne COIII"I, 1~Ji·1i'-\l' ·is I~II"OI'lCJ l~li.l.h lh~! pr·ovjncE!S par·t.:ic-.ip<:lt.:ing '.i.n l:.\1(:! : .. )ltpr ·r:!llle Co11r·1, i. n l"f~COIIIIIIl:!nddt: ions as jt pertains to judge;!S in l··.hrc! ~)tlpi"C:!Iilr~ Co11r·l? Agrri rt I i.l is only part:.:i c.ipclt.ion dnd r' r~ c o 1111 n r~ n d ''~ i i o n s .

J I· i s I h r:• p r· o v i n c e s b f:d n g pari: a n d p i·H' c E! 1 of I h ·i s g r· : '! ''~ i c: o tll'l 1: r· 1J . 0 n s ·('! n ''' t n r· ~ -~ F o r· 1 n , r"l r· . ~'i p e;! i'1 k t'! r· , r)\ s I stated in rny first fE!tAJ r·c;•rnar·ks l::IAIO I•.Je'!SkS i:·\l,]O, cer·tf\ ·in1y ShOtAJS n o t. h :i. n g o n a m i n u s s p l·lE! r E! of a c l:: ·i on bul·:, r·a 1':. ht:1 r·, 1~1h (;! n Ol.l r· OL•.Jn first appointed since this law catne into affc'!Cl:: I•.JC\S such a gr'E'•at. Newfoundlander, a great Canadian, 1~1 h y no I ? T h i !; i s I he IAii't y ·i 1:: s hou1d bE•. No. 26 R13S3

·. Mr·. Sp('~<'1kr'!r, wor·e · iwpor·U~nl l·o NE~l~rFoundJ dl'ld and Ldbl"i'.u:lol" t..IJa~; the f'·ishel"it;!!;, I~JhC'!I"n lhf~ ri~.hc~l"if'~S 1'101~1 couJd be part of our cons ·!: i.l:111· i ona·l i-\l'ld IAJh E! I"(~ + h Eo! f ·:L S h E! r· i E! S I"Q f 0 r'lll couJd F i I"~; I_ nouJ b~:! d 'iSCI.I$SE'!d i-~l M i n ·i s h:H· ·~; 1 Confei"E>.I'ICE!S. Mr. Speaker, that is of great tmpor't.i.HlCE~ l:o 1\Jc,~t..IJfoundl and and l_abr·ador·, so :i111portant that each iHld evc,H'Y 1\JE:~L~JfOLindl.anclfH' has an involVE!ment :in it. Mr.

SpE!aker, we have to look to the Premler, who fought so hard for our rights to shar·c;!d jur·.Lsd'i.c~:"i.on, <'1S f<'tr' dS our fisheries are concerned. I r'Eo!dd fl"Oin Maclean 1 s IJJi'lE!r'r,~ .. , f: !;'l;:t · h~s ClbouL Mr·. Mci<E:!nna, IAJho r1 C'! 1'1 o 1.1 n c f'! d I h e d c I i IH~ r· n l 0. I. h <·1 I· NE11AiiOUrldJ <:~nd IMOU] d p] flY as :it p rn·· 1. ~ i l'l(o~ d I· o I h n (' i s h u r· i C'! s . A ·1 l .i t- 1~1 c~ ~; , M I" . ~) p E~ a k e I" , i s h E:' j U S t cl ·i d no I h ,;, IJ ·~ For· r:! s ·i g h 1- r=! no 1.1 g h I n do IAJhal tl·1c,~ Pl"EHn:ier· of 1\J f'!

I~Jf 0 1.1 n d 1 r'·l. n d ( I 'i. d N 0 Ill I h (! y d I" (~ 1-,--y:ing lu advc,1r·~;c,1ly dffpct thE:1 ME~<'!Ch ldkr~ Accord j1 .1sl on lhi~; fJ~heries siLuation f.llone. Mr·. ~')pc,1akc·H', it a]so Ci'liTIE! to my 111i.nd, dS I IAH'!nt ov~~r ~;oJrJE! oF i':~H:1 resolutions that were brought bE!fOr'E! i:.hi.s Asse1nbly, I do not. want to eulogize or do anything like l::hal:. to Uw hon. JnE!Iflber t=or TtAiillingate (Mr. W. Carter), but, (~ s I IAH>. n t o v c;! r· t h e r E:1 s o l u 1: i. o n s , Mr. SpeC~kE!r, I found myself 1. o o k ·t n g f·~ t t.: hE:~ r· E:! sol. u 1:'. ·i on f r· o 111 1- hE~ hon.

IT!E:!mber·. for· Twi llingatE!. Mr. S p c,~ i!l I< C'! r , s ·i. n c e:' T. c rl 111<,1 i n 1:: o ~.: I ' ll'! House I must say that many of the q11esl:ions bc;!ing i·lskod by hi111 <.·~nd Iris par·tic:i.pat:ion <in dPbat.E! has CE!t't:d i.nly r'C'!F-1 oc h'!d f ·i nr~ s 1:<:·\ l·:ur·r~ . Mr·. Spoak(o'l~, l 1~10111 d ·1 i kr=! l·n r·r~.:·\d CHIP of l. hE" 11 lrJfiERFASfS 11 in l .. lw g C'! n I. l C:' 111 d n 1 s i"r~SO Ill I i Ol'l. 11 AI\JI) Wll F I~ FA~') l:.I'H" FE!dE:!r·r.~l gov(o!l"nrn~>.rt L 1 ~; I 'I 3 r; 1~ . I) (! S S f'!

I. ·1 i_ C C,1 r1 S i 1'1 9 Y' l'! 9 1.1 1 r:·\ 1.: i. 0 1'1 S ;;) r· E! hCJ.v'i.ng a negaL'iVE! jrnpact:. on thE! ·i n ~; h o 1· · : ~ I' ·i s h to! r· y 11 • l11 L h C'! -, i'l s 1:: piH't: of h:ls r'E!SOl.utJ .on, "BE Ir I'Ut~rl · lr::~ RF~301t!f':

f) lhe~i - lhi. s 1-ioUSl'! call llpon t:hE! GovE•r·nrnent .. of CanHda I o r· C'! u ·i e1~J i I" s v H ~; ~; C'! 1 l t c C'! n s i. n g r'E!gulations w:ith c"l v'iE!IAJ t:o Eo! l i. rn i n i'\ 1·. L n 9 t: h Cc' i r· n E:' g ;;~ 1·: .. L ~J C'! .i. rn p a c l: on inshore fishermen wishing to upgr·adE! and i.111pr·ovE! l':hE!Lr· Fishing VE!SSeJ.s. 11 Mr. Speaker, I cannot SE!E!, for thE! llfo of me, how the hon. member for Twillingate can now say to ITH'! or· s •'··~ y i~ o t. h .. i. s h on , H o 1.1 s ''-' 1:: h i:<t 1.: h C'! disagrees tAJith thE! ME!E!Ch Lc~kE! Accor·d.

What the Meech Lake Accord wi]l )IICi-\rl rtH' 1\JC'!I~JfOIIJ'lcil r:•\J'ld~:·r·~; i"ll'ld Labr'cldOI":ians :is just. t.I'IC"lt. ri'IE! I ~~.~cler · or HlC:! Oppos ·j l. ion U~l"' WE!1ls) :is shaking his hE•dd, and he· h •:'1 s I o , b 0 r: ,;, 1 1 ~; f'' h r~ ·i ~; r'l f 1 .. l;! r· g o ·i n q in d:iffer·ent pat"ts of l:his Island .:-1ncl s.~ying l.hc~l · l~lf.! clo nol-. l~li 'Hlt i''ll'lY TTIOI"E:1 j ur'isd:ict:ion, WE! do not rl(o'(o!d •'tny lflOI"<~ j 11r··i sd ·i c 1·i on . lt.l<o!

IAJ i] l give fish to Fr·dnce. -l·h.:is i~; l··.hE! cr· ·i l·_r:!r·--i"' lr'l i d di)IAJn by 1.-.hH L f~dclur· of the Opposition c~nd sur·e1y goodn(:~ss hE~ Ls goinq i:.o b1:1 O~Jc'.!r' l:here shak:i ng his hE!Cld IAJhen I say U1r'1t t-.1-H?. member· For· TtAri.ll:.i.ngar .e (Mr· . W. CartE!

r) is r:ight on. WE'! s h o 1 J l. d a d d t' c,1 s s t.: h e s i. l: u a l:: j o n a n d it is being addressed in the Meech l_e~k<-?. accc.wd. lhe:~ I EH'Idc,~r of I" he Oppos-L t·. -i on statE!C1 catE!gor'ically that IAJE! helVE! r-'!l'lOIIgh j IH' i sr:l Let ion. r"ll". ~)peakc·r·, a11 we said, and I arn surE! that C'! IJ e r' y 1\Jf~I~IF 011 nell i'~ nd ('> r· in E'! ~J H l" y crack and corner of th:is Fine Pr'OIJince, w ·i.ll r:·lgr·C!o lhdl a "ll I~JE! 1.~1 a n l:. E! d IAJ as s h a r· E! d j 11 r· i s d :i c t· :i o n . We a1"e not naive'! E~nough t:.o t.hink <-~long lhr,~ ' 1 - inc:~s or goiny oul- LhHI"~'! on an intt::H'rli'.ltJ. on;~J bds:i~; ag;:cin, 1\Jo . ? (j I~ 1 3 S 11.

and coming up lAlith dE!als or t..u:ith o t h e r· c o u n t r· ··i, e ~; o r g o i n g o 1.1 L 1:. h E:! 1" e <HI ~;urvEd. llanCE! lAJor·k, Li.kE! Uw Cowley i.'lr1d Utosc~ .. l·lc:llAJ COII-Id "' srnal1 Pt"ov".incE! Jn NE!lAJfound1.and, number one, i'1ffor·d ·i i·? MR. PAI~~~ONS: 1 hi'!Y cou·l d nni do i 1 <~I · a ·'ll. Mr· . S p E:!i'l k EH' . MR. PATTFRSON: You might gol · an I'!XI· r·a. Sd-lcH'Y ror' someone. MR. PARSONS: Well , Hk1 L HI i g h 1: 11Ji g h t g (~ l: !i OfliE~ 0 l::hE!r' i'11n(,~i'IS bE! pos s i.b-1 n . mo n E! y f r· orn YO II some But, Mr·. ~3pc,H~k<.;!r, 1-.hctt is not_ thE!

Jntent of thE! fisheries bEd.ng part and pat"cel. oF l:.hE! MC'!C;!ch l.ak(:~ Accord . It is shared jurisdiction that l:.hi.s Pr·ovi.nce 1~mnt:s i.'lnd thi'll:. this Pr·ovince has beE!n crying for . lL is l ~ o gitJc,~ jur·isdict .:ion i n t I·H,~ b f.l y s , lAJ h E! r (:' t h E! r e a r e CJl.IO-i:.dS pl.i:'ICE!d on rr1<'1CkHI"E!l. and herroing, placE!S t.hat. we should haue jurisdiction ouor. M r . ~3 p (,~ r'l k (:! r I I~ I h y s h 0 Ill d d n y 0 n r~ fr·orn 0-t-talAii:l or· ctny <HH:1 elsc,1 he-lVE! j u 1" ·i s d i £: I· i o n o u o r· 1~.1 h r:-1 I i s c 1-11 1 9 h I .in OlJI" bi:tys? Mr·.

SpeakE:H', it !) h 0 Ill d n 0 I: b r~ T l·w r.IJ r,H:! c h I i·1 k ~~ ctccord ctddresses that situation. M r· . S p Cc1 d k e I" , -r he o t. h E:'r' t:. hi n g comes l·o 111y 1n-i nd no1~1. r ~~Ji'lS spr~rtk i ng I o f i !; h C'.! r· fll E:! n t n F J ct t r· o c k a f E! lAJ day s (~ 9 o ,.,, n d 't.: h c;! y IAH:! r· n s p E~ a k ·i n g r.1 b o u I t-he 1 E:~ng l:h of their boats. That agd·i.n f<·1ll s in t.:ho gu i.dP.l. i. nr'.!S of ;:·1 j u r· oi s d i c t· j o n ct 1 c a p a c :i t y of t h E! CE!nl .. r·t·ll gotJE!r'niiiE:!nl Mr· . Sp<,~,:~ker·.

T belteve that thctt has to chang<,~ . 1..1.35~ Apr·il. ?.9, 19138 Vol XI .. I belieVE! that 1.oca1. issUE!S haVE! 1 .. u be cl (;! <'t l. 1: 1~1 i. 1-: h b y o 1.1 r-· CHAin J. o c a 1 author:itiE!S. I arn surE• thE!Y ai"E! qui J:l:! cap.'1bl.e of do i.ng I" hat··., t"'ll". S p e a k e r . I h o p E! t h a t i t tAli 1 1 c o ITI e (·1boul . l hop1~ pE:!opl u lAJ-i ·11. !; C!E" on the other· s:iclE! oF Lhe House. TL i!; so itnpor·i; :Hti lu i.J(!IAifoundl;-Hld that everyone. we need all F r:\ c I i on !; no Ill<'!

L I e r' 1~Jivl t s 1-: I" i p (C. they ar·e, to corne out:., no n1c:d:.t·er· IAihai · I ht:! 'i r• fccll'!l"i'1l COIII'll ('!I"FJdl"'i:S t h :i rd< . W (,~ S a lAJ liJ hat hap p E• I'H:! d h C"! I" E• ·in 19'/9 1~1h1'!1'1 lho Pt'fWI "i:=!r' sl .. uck 11p for N r::H..uf o u n d 1 and and t h c,1 M '.i n J s l:. EH' o F r~ i s hI'! r· i o s ( r"'l r· . R ·; d o o u 1 ) . I mean, j t lAias not a party l:i.nE!. ll. I•Jr:o1S bi'1Cr'111Sf:! of NE?.I~Jf01111dl andE!Y'S i.itnd Labradorians and what. t.heJr need w.~·1S r:-1nd hotAJ gr·E:!r:d·. l : hc,~-; r neE'!d I•Jas .

L'\le can no 1.: be going r:-1r·ound Lhc:• Province l:i.ke the Leader of the Oppos-LI·ion say ·ing I.•IE! should nol:. have jurisdiction over lhe bays. ltJe should not h<:'tVC'.! l:: hr.'lt k:i.ncl of right, Mr. Speaker. MR . PATTERSON: H <'! lAI i_ 1 1. b e g o n E! i n J u n E! • MR. PARSONS: Well. perhaps so . I knoiAJ that my fr·ic,~nd ouE:•r U1er'E! i-r'Oifl Sl-. f:lc:u•bf~ (Mr. FIH'UY) is t·.o fo1Jot..u mE:!. I hopo that hr;! stdnd!> ()I' I h i s r ('! (!

I I i:'l 1::- i n ('! y 0 II n CJ llir:'l n I h ('' comes from d good d·.i.s'l.:i"-.ict, and I ~~~. : ~nl lo ·;r:!c~ 1~1h61l · hn ·i!; go·ing hJ t e ll t h e p c,~ o p 1 E:~ a t. P a r· s o n s P o n d , dl· Dr:'lwir:! -l's 1-J,,,rbolll", dl: ~3qui. d Coue, at Port:. au Cho:i.x. Ther'E! is n o lAid y 1. h ,., I. h r:! i s g o -j n g 1- o g ('' 1.:. u p and bE! ab1.e to say to those pE:!opl e, 'Yo1r ha~Jf;! ('!rlOtlqh jurisd-.J.ction now.

You do not: need i·1ny rnor·e.' No, Mr·. ~:;per,1kc,~l", :i. l:: cannot be done or -.it cannot be s a ·i d ll\le nE'!<'!d fi s l·wr y No. /.6 _j ur·i.sd i.e+ ion as ts concernE!d. far· i:'IS Agclin. l:h(;! Mr. .....

Spc~abH', ~i'-1·· :is no'l: that we nc,~ed \.:he~ gr'r'!diC'!SI· <lt lho cnnlr ·e1 l g 0 v (,11" Iilli €'! 1'1 t () I" I. I· I("! c d p db 'i ] :i t '.i. (,' s 0 f 1 h (~ c C! n I· i" ,-., ·1 9 o u c: I" n 11 w n ·I , r-1 r· ~:lpc,1ctkel" . Whr.d:· WE! ai"E: spE!ak:ing i:·\ b em ·I I S S h i:H' (:! d j II r"·i \; d i C I· i 0 1'1 . 1/\lhcd T am spE!ald ng dbout t·.h:is rn o n1 i n g i s tAJ h <:·\ I I h c~ h o n I h (! M :i n :i. s 1:. EH' o f F j s h e r 'i e s ( M r· .

I~ i. cl C'! o 1.1 L ) 1:1 n d t. hE~ h o n . 1:' he P r' r::! rn i. €:! r' has been say'.i.ng ouer and over: 'Give IJS t:he r•'i.ght l: o ht.~VP a Sr'tY irt our OtAJn dE! s t'i ny, to havE! a say in Newfoundland's and Labrador's future. ' Mr. SpE!akE!I", T hopr:~ that 1·. he 111embers opposi h!, when they gElt on t. hE! i. r f "! c,~ 1: 1.1J'i. 1. 1. , r:~ g i:l i. n , t h i n k f.llong t.hE! lines that. I have bE!E!n t:h-i.nk i.ng. Th(:~ hon. lllf!llibr::r· For· Mounl: Sc:io BE~ll IsJ.and (Mt". Bai'TY) ;; ;:.\ i d Uktl : r'\nyonr,, IAJho d :i ~; i:l g Y' E~ C-:! S 1/J :i 1.. h t h El M E• E! C h L. a I< E!

Accor·d tAJ,'\S fi"07E!n in I·· i.tn<~. Mr·. ~i p E! C1 k E! r' , T ~; d y t. 0 t hE! h 0 n . gr,HJl:lc~llll'!n <Hl I he~ oUwr' :ddn I h •. ~l yutt cH't:! ft"O/E!I'I :i rt l'.·:i nw :if you do II 0 1. g C'! I 0 n y 0 I II~ I f.'! e I r'Hl d S l I fl p Clr' i ' I h:i ~: Mt,H:!ch LH I<C-?. Accor·d :i.f, for· no u I l1 C! r· r· C! ,-., ;; <Ht I h <:Hl b t:! i n g NPt.~tfound] Clrtdr:~r·s drtd L.abt"adot"ian!; i'Hld l" his pt::r·U.~ · ir1:; lo nttr· f i. :; h €H' :i. t'' !> . M r· . S p e a k e r , i f t h E! y do not, t.ht'!l'l T bE!l t l~Ue l:hc;!y dr·c,~ :iced up. Mr·.

SpedkE!r, I beJtE!VEl l'.:hE!Y ar·t:' r:Jc,~ad . M r' . S p l~ H k c,1 r· , t.•.J h CC! n .... tAle c a n n o i-_ s d y if - th:is E!lect'ion is called I arn surt:~ 'l':hctt ·lf t:hey do not got up and apply thE!mselves, the samE! as f·he IJJemi:H:H' for' Moun ·t ~3c i o Be 1.'1. IsJ.and, and stick up for Net.~Jfoundl.andc,,J"S i;(!'ld l .. i.'lbr·ador· i •Hls, for'gE!t par•ty JirlE!S, thE!Y IAJ'i]_]_ los~'!. Do not: 1.~:!<:·\Ut'!

N~~t•.Jfound1;:-HJd f:ishermc::~rt in t:his mazE! oF b ('! t~J i. 1 d c,1 r· 1 n c;! n 1·. , ~; I: ·i c k u p o n c u ''' g ,., ·i n , come out loud and clof.lr thdt we <:·\ g r' e C'! t.1J ·i I h I h f'! Me e c h I i'·\ !c r:! () c: c: o r· c I bf!U.l.USE:! j r1 I he Mf:'ech Lah• Accor·d ~ h C'! r· r:! d 1" n 9 n n d IAJ!:\ y !> """' d lite:! <Hl s I o Apt"·i1 29, 1988 Vo] XI heJ.p Nr::owfoundJctndE!rS and I .:-1 b r· ,:·\ rl o r· i '~ n s lfll i I h I h a I , M r· . ~·) p (~ r:-1 k C'! I" , 1: 1 .. h i'l n k you VE!Y'Y much . SOME HON. MEMBERS : H ~=! r·\ r· , h C'! r:-1 r· ! MR. FUREY: Mr· . SpE!aker. MR .

SPEAKER: The hon. HlE! tnc,~mbr:::r· 'for S L. Bar· be . SOME HON. MEMBERS: Ht:H~r, hear! MR. FUREY: Mr . Speaker; let rne say froiTI thE! bc:~<::l · inninq, 1: li s i .. l:!l'll'!d Vf!l"'j, Vi:"I"Y car·efuJ.ly t.o thE! hon. rnernbE!Y'' ~:; !>p~;!(;!Ch . f. l:ouk ·in f'!llf:OI"Y IAJOI'' d, every challenge. I listened Lo h ·i111 .:u1d gdtJ(~ gi"C:!r:\i: -l:hottqhl l·o tAJh<'ll~ he hr.ld to say. But· in the finet1 and1ys:is, Ml". ~) fl o d lc c n· , T I till s I· :; <:-1 y I h d 1: d c:• (' p d o t•.JI'l Lhdt speech was pretty shallow.

J: I cl ·i d n o I d e i'·1 I tM ·i I h r:·1 rt 'j I h i 11 g 1.: h i'l t: had to do with the Meech Lalce A c c o t" ( I , t~J i 1·. h I h H c·'! x c e p 1.-. i o 1·1 o F o n ''! 'issue. He dealt with juri sd iction i n L h <~ f ·i. s h t'?. r· y ,:~ n d l H f 1.: ·i t r::t t 1·.·. h i:'t r. . M r' . ~3 p E! ;·~ k e r· , IAI h a 1·.-. h L'! E'! n q a q ('! d l. n 1.11as tJJhat: GE!OrgE! Orl.IJE:!ll tAJould ca] 1 nr,!t.~Jsspe<.~k, tnouthi.ng l:. hE! oi:F.i.c -:i.al state line. If you SclY sornE!Lhing lonq enough, you r·(;~a-ll.y beq ·in l:.o believe it.

Once you start bc,~l i.ev i.ng i. l.-., i.t becoiii( '!S eas .i.('!t" .l:. o sell. Then if everybody huddles togE! I·: her· to s (:!l.l l. hl'! sa tnt;! unbE!lie!vable messagE! Lhr·ough I'J(:!t~ISSp(~i:'tk, l:hon d ·I -J. of l·.·_h('' Sttcicil'!rl you can nun1b t.hE! rn ::i. nds of thP pr~op-1(:! ·in t : h;:~ ·l· <;oc ·iel · y yo11 contr·ol. . M r' . ~::; p l'! <~ k H r·· , nobo<IY ::i.s go:ing t.:o be 1'1 C'!l~IS S fl f;! o:•\ k lfllf;! h _Odt"d No. 26 on Lh i.s Foo1 e d r'1 I' I r:i It)( ;! s i d (! by hr::ttJC::: R1.356

docu111erl'I:E!d pr·oof of t.hli! PI"Ewric;!r' seek:Lng legislatiVE! j ur:isd:iction in t h~~ f 'i. s hC'! r·y . No mr.\'1': t:c:H·· how 111any -t::i.mc:.~s the hon. ITIE!rnbE!r For St. J o h n ' s E <"~ s L E x +: E:! r' n ( M I" . P r.1 r' s o n !; ) sCI.ys it:., hE! cannot. StAd.tch ar·ound n o IM '" n d !; A 1J s h ;:~ r' ~'! d j u r' ·i s d ·i c I~ ·i o n I partnE!Y'sh:ip and the like. It IA.Ias 1 e g i. S l, fl 1: i \J C:! j I I Y' i. S d i C I i. 0 n . Mr'. ~3pecd<EH', just a quick history l C::~ s !; Cll'l on l.i'w p t:-1 l':r' .. i r'l 1: ·i on of I· h n Cons t. j · ~ u t j on j n 1 9 8 2 . It.

IAJa s P ·i t:! I" r· C:! T r 1.1 d ~~ d 1 1 .:~ n d I. h 0. I ·i. b C:! r <~. -, Gouernrnc:~nt of Conada at that. t:ime l· h.~l - SOII<:Jhl l· o bl" i ng ho1nn Ci'ln<:~da' !; own ftJndamEHit·a] J CIIAIS and es tab] j s h HH:~Iil hc:! r'0. on our· soi I I l·.o pd I rL'II c~ the Const j ~ui- j on .

But th~' IAtalJ I h"' i h n r' i'1 n 11 p ,,, g i'l i n s I· ,~ i · I h 1:-1 i pi'lr·i i cul cu· t.ime IAJas t.ht:' tAJaJ.] that Cr:·llfle l·o b~~ krtOIAJn ,,u; lhn Cr:-1ng of Fight, the cO!ight Pr'E!rn:iE:!r'S tAJho IAJoul.d not c:~lloiAJ !:.hE! pat.r·i.1:-1l.:i.on of !:he Constj ttJtion unless it was c1 one u n cit;~ r Hw i. r' t ~'! r·ms i:Hld by the:Lr setting the standards and setting the rules. I re r(H' hon. rnembe r·s ·l .. o a f i nt=:~ book IA.Iri.tten by Ron Graham, a fol"tn<:H' wr i. t·.E!r t~ri . t.h Saturday Night magaz:inE!, tAJho had LAJritten a book call rO!d One-Eyed Kings.

ThE:~ hon. mt~mber :is familiar with t.h"i.s. HE! says that dud ng thai: time t.he d (>. c i. s i. o n o f 1.: h e F e rl e r' 1.~ 1 g o lJ n r' n 1 n n n I: was to act alone to brjng home her Cons 1: ·i l· t.tl ·ion <'lnrl ·i 1: t)Ji.·lS lHH>r,~d on the brc!] j ef that Canada t.uas mor·e 1'.hr:-1l: Uw ~;t.lln oi ·i Is pt"Ol.J i ncns AI lh,:·11: I itrll:! Mr·. Tn1dr~r:·111 lr:-!CC'!d l·hc~ Cc~.ng of f:i ght, Ml". Speaker' ·- MR. J. CAf~TU~: A p o :i n t of o I" d EH' , M I" . S pea k E! r . MR . SPEAKFR: A po:int. of or·der, the hon . thE! member for St. John's North . L.13S7 April. 29, 1988 Vol XL MR. J.

CAIHER : Mr . SpE!ai<E!Y', th:is i s an :i.rnpol~tant p o i n f·. . !AI e s h o 111 d no t. s ·i i:: on o u I" r :i g h t s . I a p p r e c:i. a t e w h a 1: U·w hon. tnHinl:ler' i.s c:lo i ng and r would r E! 1 n :i. n d h i rn t h a t r E! ad i. n g f r o rn a book, which IS perfectly acceptable, mean s it must be l ·:i'~ b - 1 ed . MR . FUREY: I a1n no 1: r ~:!t.HI·i.ng. J ''"" r'(:!'J=-(;!r'l"·i.ng . MR. J. CARTER : It. must bE! tabJed unlE!SS th(~r·c;! :is un,:·1ni.HIOtl!; consenl nnl lo rabl('! it . T notice j t Js a har·d cover· book ,:~nd pr·obdbly exp(:!nS i lJC'! .

Unless t.:he rnernber IAJartts to J.r,~t it s·l .. i.p 0111: of' his hand s, I'H'! ~;hotJld not r'E!fer to it anyrnor'C'!. But o I.I'HH'I)J'i s e , ·i 1·. lv1 s I. 0 be tab l. ('! cl . That :is just the rules. MR. FUREY: Mr. Sp(~cli<E!Y' I r IAJOit.l d be->. hOI'lOIIY'I"!d to table these particular pages. I r~ 111 not r· cO! ad i n g d i . r· E'! c t ly f r' o tn 1.: hE! book. I arn rE!ferr:ing t.o a book. But shou-ld T quot.:<:!, Mr· . ~)pealu' !Y', dtrE!Ctl.y from thE! book, and l rni.<jhl:., T IMOUl.d be ql ;:~cl f'·o t.abl.('! it. Not only that, Mr.

SpE!akE!r, I t1J"i. ll. •:!JO ''' s ·l-ep fl.tr·l·.hE:!r', 1 1.1.Joulcl b('! gJ.ad to loan thE! book to thE! hon. IIH~IIIbr:!T'. SOME HON. MEMBERS : H c~ ''' r· ~ h e .:~ r ! MR. SPF.:AKFR: To t h f.l t. p o i n t of o r· cl e r· , , b o t. h fl () i 1'1 1 ~; conclude h•·li.J n that of opin ·ion gc:~nt1ernen. No. 26 ~' ottiO tllf~ r' ·i 1· ~ bu I· I jt :is a dj.ffer·enc(:! be I':I~JC;! u n hon. R13S7

r r 1 1 d n ;:·111 '" n d Hlf'! f r:! cl I'! r· i't -, I i be r·"' I s ~l"ied t-o FJi'ltl"'iet.te th<;! const".i.l .. ut.Jon i.HH:i ii· Cr'llllU dt)I~Jrl l'u i:·\ pO!;:;ible p-lt,~b:i ~~ c .i ~~:! ne:d-j OI'IIAI'.'i dr,~ I~Jh~:!l"H Ml". rl"l.ldl~''\11 !~J.:~S pr·ep. :·U"I'!d I 1) go d:ii''(!Ci]y J·u l-1-JE:! pE~OFJ]E:! t:o d~>k l':.hE~ p no p l e 1: h n 111 s t'! 'I t)(~ s ·i n a p r· i u d. 1 n hfAlJo't", inc~ pJ.E~b·.iscite, 'Do you J.~k\1'1 1:". Can"' d <·1 1 :; F 1 11'1 rl c1 HIE:! 1'1'1 ,., ·1 ., ;:~JAJ s br·ought homE~? 1 What happE:>rled, Mr·. Speaker?

The gi'lng of E:1 i.gh t s cur·r· i.ed, !:: h<'!IJ freaked, they became nervous, agH.ated. They sr.ti.d, 'Wt~ had better get on side, 1 becauSE! ever·ybody l<not•.Js !:'.hat: Canada, I:H?.i.ng in her right, hE!Y' OIAJn country, lAJdrl1.:(J.d h(:'!r' OIAJrl funddiiiE:!I'lJ:.i:~l l.dlAJ:) 01'1 her own soil. Who couJ.d vote aga·inst.: t·.:hr1i .. ? Mr . Sp(:'!i'lker, i.L IAJ&s i nhH' C,~!i Ling l:o notE~ that most of thE!

Provinces, IAI i t: h +:. h E'l t~ x c E~ p ! ·. i o n o F 0 n t·. ,., r· ·i o <:·\ n d NE~tAJ Brunst~d ck, undElr' t .tAJO Tor·y gOVCH'I'llfl(!nls di: l·hal: l::i111n, f>Y'(,~Jrli(: !r' [)(~uois and PI"Brrt:iE:'r' l·lat.f'i<,,1d, IAJE:~tne ! he c o n s i s I. f'! n I r~ x c ~~ p I i o n !". o I h r~ gH119 oF Edght, and etgi"E:'E~d tAJ :H:h Mr·.

Tt'llriCi'il' . !l11i ! hn fli"Ou·i n,;cs a! · ~hc:d r.i111E~ SCltAJ CClJJadc\ as an llndr!I' ' Si:rHH :I i ng r:-llllong:; l l· hnlflsn-1 t.Jt:!S. rn ol·hclt' I~Jor·rls I Ci'\tlf·\dc·l lnddo lip ! he com p o ,., E:~ 1'1 l. p a I" t s , L he tEl n s epa r· CJ. t. e disl irH~l piH'I .s cHid OI.I:.~J~Ja ~~~;:~s only t h c..:d r· a g <-?. n t o n b 1n o ad mat. tEl r s or· t h ~~ (;! q I~ "j V i'll. E:l l'l 1.: j 11 h ('l r• ()I~Jrl jurisdiction. It is interesting to notE~, Mr.

SpE~i'l I< f:H', 1:: h;:~ t ·U1e gang of eight rejected the opening pt'(-?.arnbl E:! rO f·.: h(.;! pt'E!V i.OIIS const-.itution for Canada on her own so i.l. . The 1J r· E:~ j e c ~ (! d , 1 ltll<~ , Ul<.;! people of Canada, 1 and thElY p I" o p o s E! d t:. h a 1':. i'l P r· (,1m i. <:'! r· c o ·-· c h ~:~ i r· ctll fE:~der·aJ.-prov:i . ncial conferE!IlCE!S tAri. t·. h t: h E~ P r· i 1r1 E'! M i rl"i s t· El r· .

T h <:! 1J I" ~'! f u :; <'! d , M r· . refer to Ottawa as qovc..:lr'rllnen!:, bul · ~ipet:·\ker·, l .. o t:.h<'! na !::ional I hey A p r· j 1 2 9 , 1 9 B 8 Vol XI , .. ~~ r (! r· r· ~~ d l: () 0 I· I" •'llAk\ <:·\ s I I'Ho! F ('l de r· i'\ l. ~JOVE!Y'I'IrrtE!rJL . It: :is :int.:Eollno::;J·:.:.i.ng to 1'1 o I ~~ • f·1 i" . ~-) p Cl d !< C! t' . i 'l n d T q i t J u t. h i. ~; b r· :i. o f h ::i. s L. o r· y l <'! s s o r 1 o F L h E:• p d I r· i ,~ I i o n n r I h e c o n s I ·j I II 1. i u n i n 1 9 B 2 L o p o :i n ·l: o u t t () y o u t. I· 1 a L a L. one or- I hn~;c~ JriHCo!

I i I'Pd~' 0111" PI"E'!III"i ('!('I at t·:.hi'lt t.iiTIE!, actuaJ.ly said, Ml". ~) p e "' k (! r·· I h ('! d (! c 1 i'll" (c! d 0 n b e h "' l r

l) F NEltAJfound1and and Labrador t:.hat he J~JOIJld subscr·ibt! l··.o l. h<:! l..c'!V<'!SC[IH'! vision of Canada, rather than thE! F E:1 d E'T '" 1 l. ·i b E! r· i'l l v i s i. o n of 1:1 n '-'' 1:. i o n strong unto herSE!J.f. That is what this Premler said. Just. c.~:; an i'l s i. de , Mr· . ~3 p (,1 a k (! r· , at: that point John ChrEHian happEll'lE!cl t:o l.E'!i'\1'1 OVE!r l:. o Lhe Lll<'!n Pr·"i.1ne Minister Trudeau and askEld hirn, "l)o you hdiJO d bag? r t:h "i. nk r n E!

E! d to v o rn i t:? '' T h ct t :i. ~:; h o IAJ upsol .: l·. ing ·i. t·. lAid:> l· o pc;!opl.El who sa1 ~1 themselves as buJJ.ders of a n,~!·ion, r'dl:h<,1r l·. hc:-1n i ... ho:>E?. t.~Jho l.l.Jl'll"l'! gooi.ng to t:.eiH' down and just:. havE:• SHfl<'lt" ,'li':o cotrlponr,1nl- p;,1r·l s. r"lr·. Sp('l·'lkt"o!l'', J IAJ.:-\nl l·:n I"E:!f'l:!l" l·: o t.he pr'E!CIITibJ E' of t:. hE~ t:.r;•x-t: t.hc:lt Lua~; o F'fc 1· · ::!d on b(o! hi·\-, F oF Cr:·tni'!cl.-i ;:1 n:; i't 1:. t h a t. -r ::i mE:~ .

I i E~ r E'l '.i s 1.~1 h H..l. :.i. t. ~:; a .i cl : 11 !111!~, l·h::l fl''!Oplr:· oF C6!ni:·1di:·\, proclaim that we are and shall r•\liAJ.:-\IjS bn I~J"ilh lhr:l hHlp of Cod fr'E!e and SEl1f-goVElrn:ing pEloplE~, bot·n ul ,., lri<'!(~Jing of Lh~:!

FI"Hnch and English pr'ElsenCEl on Nor·l:h AIIH~r·ici:Hl soil, IAJhich hc:·\d lonq bo,:Hl the home of our Native peop1es, and enshr i.nEld by l·:he conl:r·:ibut.:ions of miJ.lions of peopJ.e from the f o u r· c o r· n ('! r• s o f l: h E~ El (;\ In 1·. h . trJ e h a v e c h o s El n t: o c r ~1 a t e a 1 ·i. f e t:ogeth<'!r IAJhi.ch l:: r·ansc('ll'lcls l: : hc~ diffE!rencElS of blood rEllat:i .onsh:.i.p, l a n g u <:·\ g t~ ''1 n d r· <,1 ·1. i. g "i o n , a f'l cl willingly accept the exper:l en c e of sh.:1r· ·i ng u11r I~Jel·\ll · h ,.,,nd Cllll :: ul"('lS, while respecting our diversity. lfllf:! h<•ltJf~ chOS('ll'l l· o .. , i Fl~ 1""090 l· .. f'll'lr' i 1'1 one sovereign country, d t:.I"UE!

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const i.tu t:. 'i.oni'l.l. JJJOni'lr'chy i'·1nd foundc"1d on dE!rnocr·at:ic pJ"inc·.:i .plE! Fa i. 1: h r I 11. L () 0 l.l )" h i ~; 1: 0 r· lj . . i''t 1'1 d so on. The g<'lng oF ~:! - ighl:. r·e_jc;!ci · e:!d Lh<'tl· pi"E!arnb]e, r'E!JE!Cl:.E!d 11 WE!, thE! pE!OplE! of C a m·u:l i'l. 11 , b c"1 c i:HI ~; l'! i l: i rn p ·1 -j ('! rl Ccu1add JJJas IJJhole, she lAJas complE:1t:e, she 1~1as onr:1. Mr . Spr;!dbH', IAJLI:h J"E'!SfH~cl: ~:p~~c:iftcalJy to thE! ME!E!Ch LakE! dlllt:HldiiJEHll · bwFor·r~ i'.h is I c"1g i.sl.:~l i ur:!

Assc-:!n1bJy t.oday, :lt str·:ikes mE! as III11.1SII<·1-I I o r·r:!r''td a r'I'!C'i ·I N.l. I hdi · ~:ays, 11 And Whei"E:1as th0.1 amE!ndment rw 0 p 0 !) (! d i n I h 0 !) dw d I 11 C! h e. r· C! I 0 , r· r:~ c o g n :-i '1 '"' s t h E! p r· :i 1 1 c i p J l':! o f r:!ql.lr'·ll i 1'.1) or (.·11.1. pt'OlJ'i l'lCC!S. II r:•1nd i I· gclE'S onr::!, i 1· str·:ikr::!S ITIE:! as 1"at:hc"1r· IIJ'lUSIIdl l· hr:·1·1 IJUII t:dn !)dlj ·in d r·r:~c:il·r!ll t-hat a]] PJ"ou:Lncc"1~> ai"E! eqL~<'1 ·1 rH1d I hen lur·n l· o I hr~ body of thH arnr::!ndnH~nt l:.o f':ind thcl'l:: onE! c)

L) g h l:: I. o b o r· f:'! cog n i z 1:! d IAJ L L h ·i n Canada as distinct or· morE! equal. I IAI i. ll c ell 11 e 1·: o I· h ''' 1: i n a m ·i n u 1:: c~ , MJ". Spee~I<E!Y'. MR. ~:iPfAI<ER (Parsons) : Ol"dE!r, pl.Hr:·1Se! 1 a rn s o r·1" y that I hctue to ... i.nt,'!rVE!nE!, but. I IAJould 1. i 1<~;:1 1-o announCE! t.h:i.s k rl OIAI r• (,1 i'l ·1 '1.1) s'ludE:1nts ar·c~! t h o y r.1 l ·1. <'! r· 1J i 1·1 i r· t y ..... e :i g h 1:: s l:ud1:Hl Ls r:1nd 1'-11". J:i I'll LodE:H' f·hr:! Holy j 1'1 I. i-.HAJn . Ndlne because I do not how long those going Lo stay.

In ~oJAy l·hrnre Are l.E:'Ve]s 1 and 11. 1: h C'! .. i r· i'.IAJO 1·. c,1 d c h c~ r· s . and Mr·. Jcu·vis From oi Mr.·! r·y Hi \.!1 h ~'lt: hoo ·1 SOMF HON. MFMfl F I?~) : H E:!cH', hE!i'H'! M 1~ -~ ~3 1:.L.DJ~ F B. : lAIC! IAJOtl'lf'l l i ki'! It) IAH:!-It:OJJ)('! I ht:~lll . The l·1on L:l3~)9 A p r· i. l. 2 9 , l 9 B 8 Vol XL MR. Fl.lf~FY : Absolu'i:el.y, MJ". SpeakE!t'. and l.t.JE:~ 1.: h i'l n k y o u F o r IAH'~ "I c o 1r1 i n g 1:: h c;!Tn . Mr·. SpE~aker, i:herr:~ arE! ct nurnb~:·r of p o L n 1·.: s l.. h <:'t 1.. T.

IAI"' n I: l: o t o 1 1 c h o n i n my J.oinJ:i.tE!d t:.:i.rrJE! herE'! today IAJoith r'E'!Spc;!cl: 1- o M~:!f'!Ch Li:'ii<E!, :immigration, spend:ing power, the ~)c-?.rli'·1 l'.r:~, UH:! SIIPJ"E''Iil~:! CouJ"' t., t:hc~ concept of the distinct society, r'il'ld IAJhC:·11·· 011r· Pr·e1niE:!r' gal"nc;!J"l''d For· us f .. J"orn Uds p;;n·t.icu1ar· nJE!E!'I::i.ng cd·. I

I) n g to! tr i n H 1. o t: k i n l h n IAH'! <'! hour· s oF thE! morning for· 1\lt~IAJfoundJ.and. It. r\1"1 I hds I 0 br:! lJ'i HIAJHd in !'.:hE! con text , M I" . S p E! a k e I" , of t:.IAJO cp.1ns I ions: ~.JIIIIJbor· tHH'!. did L•JC'! pdiJ too dc-?.aJ"] y for· th:i.s const'.i t.1.1t:J onal i·1CCOt'rl r~nd;· l'liiJIJi:)('!r' 1.:1110, i'JCliAJ i~; NE!IAJfoundJ.and and L.<:J.bi"C\dor· r:lfr 'E•cted b IJ M C:! C! c: h I r:-1 k r:• ? 1-1 o IAI i ~; ~:. h c:! affected directly? Everything has to be r~:·uiE!IAIE!d in l:he:1 1\J~:!I•Jfounc:ll and con I:.E'!X 1··. i'IS <\\ full partnE!r in thE! fE!dE!r'ation, Ml".

S p e r'l I< EO! r , a n d T IAri ·1 1. c o 111 c;! I: o 1!.1 h a 1:. Newfoundland gained, if anything, i n i·· h i s <:·1 c co I" d i't ~; l con 1:: :i. n u E'! 111 y r E! 1r1a r k s . But fir· s t so rrl!o! g E· n e r Cll observr'1t:. i.ons on ME'!E'!Ch l. dke. Mr. SpeakE!r, I arn not. a l.cii.AIYE:•r and nol-. I:J~;:1ing c·1 laiAJyHr' cH' a constitutional. expE!rt I rE!Sei'l.rchE!d 'i" o F i n d o u I~ IAJ h i'1 1-. c o n s 1:. -L 1:·. u 1:: i o n ,.~ 1 lalAJYE!rS and constitutionaJ. E!XpE!I"L::; L n I· h ·i s c o 1 1 n 1·. r· IJ g f'! n ~:· r· i.'l ., l.y 1:: h o u CJ h t.: about t.hE! ME!ech L.akr:1 accord.

L Ed:. lllf'! c-i i:n Lhc~ r·::•SIIlls ot7 <.·1 po l.l. conducted amongst lawyers across I h r~ co 11 n l r·y d f" I f'! r· I h f'! ~'! -, ,,, 11 ('! n F i I'·· s 1:: Ministers signed this accord. li (! , .. :'! i s I~JI·l d I Hl (! lj 5 d i rl : II T h ('! Meech Lake constitul:::ional accord i ~; b<:·1d for· Ci-Hl·'ldd 1 fh i s po·l -1 l~li'tS conducl'.:ed Lhrough The Canadian Lawyer ~~Jh i d1 i ,; d -1 e']i·l·l llk1CJ<'17. i nE! .in h:is cot.mt.r·y. Almost:. 80 p\H' t: !'! r 1 I o i I h u 1:l 0 0 ·1 i'IIAJ 1J e I" ~; , .• , c r· o s s this country lAJho r'E!SpondE:!d t:o LhE! No. :>.6

po]l oppOSE!d tJ.Jill. br· ing t: U II~; l· j i- lJ l· j 0 II . l at~JY t:!T' ~ ; , .. , i Li: l · h~: ! Jc:tck of UtE~ agnH!mE!nt wh:i .ch quE!bn1; i nhl li·ll'! H ~~ r· ~:! i. ~; 1~1 hal o r 1 E! 11 Th::~ po 1-1 r · r~l I C!t: I •; COltfoi.cJ~HIC~~ :in +hE! F

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I) I ·j d I 0 r·· s II Mr·· ~')pl~r:·li<l'~r··. ii t~Jr~l' ll on lo ~ ;ay 1 Ti·tdt On+ctr• :jo ]atAIYE:~l"~; C1ppc;!ctl"~~d s I r··u n g c~ ~; i · i n I h wi r· n p p o s i I i n n 1 ~~ i I h 9() pt':ll" CE!I'tl of '!' hc:~ITI oppOSEold to the i'ICCor·d . ri · IMi:·\S FdiJOIH'Eld by S] p!~r· cent of Quc->.beo1c 1atAJYt::H'S, 22 PE:'r' c (~ n I ' I IAJ h ·i c h i s t (,! l.l i n g ' I 0 r Ui C:! Western Canctdian lawyers.

The r'E1Sul ts of thE! poll t.·ll so suggc,1S f:ed that 78 per cent of the lega1 minds Ln this country who were polled opposed the constitutional recogni.l: .'ion of Quebc->.c c:<~s ''\ dist'.'Lnct· sociE•ty.

SeVE!nty- ·fiVE! pt:>.r C(:!nt: l::h"i. nk l"h<'ll:·. l··hE! r:-1ccor·d cr'E! cd:c->.s two Canctdas 1 or· dE!lJX nr'lt'l .ons, dS t.he FrE•nch ~ir:'IY il·. 1 E:'ight.y-five pE!r C(!!rll·: of t·.he poll.s g r· iHl t·. -i n g u E'! 1:: o p Cli~H.H' o IJ C:' r· const:it.utionaJ chctngc,1s to aJ.J of I h l~ pI" o I.J ·i n c CC! s i·l n d s L x 1·. y -· .. s f'! u <:! n p ''! r' C(~nt think the;! pi"Ov'.incE!~> should nnl- hr:-~ut::~ !he r'io,:Jhl : 1- o Stlblll'il: ni'llli!~S of 11ornj noo~; for· the Supi"E:'rne Cour·t 0 I Ci.'ttli'1dr'·\.

I Ml" . ~)pc,1r..tl<c"!Y', thr..tt is tA.Jhcd· 'iOO of lhr:! bc:!~;l ,··1nd br· ·ighl · r'!Sl. lngi'll 1rrinds <:~CI"o~;s i" his countr·y had to se~y r'\boul . lhr:! MHt : ~t:h li'lkt:l i'ICCUi"d I~Jilh rR~pect to how it effects the Ful-t.tr'c~ or Ca nadd. Sc,1condl y, Mr. Spc~r'·l!<c,lr', IIJC mu~; I' 1"r:1m:ind for· this accord t:o become i n F r:-1 c !.: p r·l. r' !.. of 1 .. h c;! cons '1: ·i 1- u l i on al.l pr·oui.nces must agree. There ITIU S i ~ b (,~ IHI a llri, n i. t. y . I_ ~;!1 :. ITie r' (-). U i. (;!tAl the six conditions, I tAJi.ll not go -j n t 0 all. S ·j X , bUt P Y' ('!

ITI i C"! r' M C I(~'! n n c·\ says that he must: SE!E! these! i.ncl.udc'!d b"!fore he can accopl:'. l':he ac cor·d. L rhe~nk God f'or· jn Mi'Jnitoba. ~3h<'II"OI'l Thank c r.n· s 1- d i r' s God for· our· hE! r' I '1360 Apr·il ?.9, '19BB Vol X I. co mm E! n t. s t: he ot:hE!r day that 11 MeE!Ch I .~ k ~~ is di:~~~d 11 An o I h ~:! r· r:J ~ ' ! i)l d 1 i't k E! j n Canada, :in t.E!I"rllf:; of l.hE• c u n !; I ·i 1 1.1 ·I ; 1) n r t•Ji'll'l I I C: j 11 !; I r · r ~ 1 ri ,;!I•J 1~1ho:11 · Pl"(~Jrl i Hr' M c K E:ll'll'l a s cci. d , Ml". Sp(:!a i<EH'.

H (~ s d i d , n 11111 be r· u n c . p d r' ·1 -i d lilt'! r 1 , .. s houJ.d bE:! (' (;! q U :i. Y' E! d j I' I 1:. h E' r:uns I -iI 111 i 1)1'1 I o pr'OIIIO i c:!, •.'tS t.•J(:! 'll as simply to preserve, bL'Ii.ngudl ·i !WI acr·o~;s lhf'! courJi'r ·y, ctnd. an ar·ticle should bo added a 11 OIAJ i 1'1 g (~ i'l C h p Y' 0

l) i 1'1 C (~ I" 0 0 p +: i 1"1 1.: 0 an obligation to promote b-Ll. ·ingual. ·i.sln. ME!C:lch pr·ovldE!S thal: only Quebec IA.Jould bE! cormnit.tE!d t:o pr'E:lSE:H'Vf~ and pr'orno l::e 1 l:.s eLLs 1: inc l idE!nti ty. Secondly, hE! said, thE! M~''E!Ch LakE! A c cor' d IIlLI s 1·:. I:H'! r• c,'tAJY' L 1:: 1-r'! n 1:: o I" c;! I riO v f:'! any doubt t:ha l: worn(;!rlS 1 r·:i.gh b:; 11Jigh'l-. bt'! ClFfC'!Ct.l:!d . T h i r' ell y , M c I< r:! n n r'·l b 1.1 y s T o r' ':1 A l b (;!

I" t ~~ Pr'E!fnier Don GhE!t:t.y 1 s pr·oposal For .:-~ 1". r' "L p ·1 c~ f~ " H n r''t I" E! , (;! q 1.1 i'·\ 1 , f'! l (;! c t (:• cJ , and E!ffE:'CttVE!. Mf~. K. AYL.WARn : l i t'! d r·· , h E:! d I" ! MR.

FUREY : A n c:l u n I h r~ ·i s ~; 1 1 e o f spCo!tJd:ing pot~JE!I", PI"~Hrri.E!r' Mci<E!I'll'lc~ lAid n I s c l. n d I"(! r' 1 r:l n g 11 d •J H i· o as s 1.11" H that J.:im:it .at:i.ons placC'!d by ME!E•ch I <:~ k c~ o n f 1 H:l H r· m 1 I p r' o l.J i n c i f.ol l. co!; 1:: no l:. of shared programmes wouJ.d d o p r' ·i IJ c~ I• h e h <'l I.J , .~ .. no 1: p r· o u i n c o s badly needed federal. assistance.

Those are three thc:d: I h :i.ghl:i ght: o f 1: h C::1 s i x r' e q 1.1 P ~; t s 1:: h Ft t P r' e lll -i, e r· McKenna said that: he would only d c c (;! p t M c;! ~~ c h L i'l k (~ o n 1.: h c->. g r' o u n cJ s that these are included w'ithin 1·.: h i. ~; d U C UIJH:! n i- . Back to my Spodkc:!r ' . Jmrnigration. 1\Jo :?. 6 Four po.intf: ; , Ml'' . 1\lulnber· onE!, PE!op1E• who colnE• l:.o r~:t360

CiHli:ldc\ nOIAJ fr·on1 other· ] and!; COI'IIE! he I"C:! l.:o pa I" L·-L c i. pi"l 1 · ~.;~ in u nr:! Cr·lni-tdt·l, onE~ g I" c.;, a-t nr.l'l: :ion. NUIAI, I:H:! c au so of Mf:~E:!ch I i•1kE!, e1ny pi"OU i nco c<:'ln r·c,H:e'.iuc'' :irnnr:igrant:.s. In thE! caSE! of QIH:~tH':!C, for• E!Xi'llflp'll~, L1.JhO :insisted on this par·ticular amendment, thts prouinco by its own statutes recognizes one 0 f f i.

C i. i:t l. ]. i:Hl '::J U i:;l g E:~ , F r• C:Hl C h , IAI i ~ h i n the conf:ines of its oiAln pr·oui.nce, yet our Canadian laws and the Chart.E!I" recogni.ze tiAJO official l.ang1 .1ages, FrE~nch and Fng-1 "ish under Se:1ct:i.on 16 of the Char·t:.(~r of Ri.ghl.s ;·u1d Fr'EH!dOIIIS . Ncu~J Pl"ou·.Lnd r-lJ offj c:i.aJ s :in QuebE!C can l'.ell. ·ilnmigr'rHIIS l:hny r:lr'c:! l.itJing in i'..l p r· o u :i n c e IAr.i t: h o n J y o n e off :i ci a 1 l iHI g II i'19 e ·i 1'1 r'1 C 0 1.11'1 I I" y L;JI·i (! r' P I· hen·:~ cii"

E) oin fact l':IAio offic:icll l r:·11'19Lir :~gcs f111l 911t:d:wc, l11h i d1 nUIAJ c tJ n !> ~ :i. t· 11 ~ "' !> •~ d :i s t. :inc t soc i e t y , :i s cl "i. f f C:! I" f;! ni I. h i~ n 0 I h t:! r· p 1?1 I" I S 0 F Cetnada, :.o pl"ouinc:idl pdtr:io LJ srn ·i s s I·. r· r,, n g I: h (;! n l'' cl IAI h ·i 1 (~ C ''' n t.·l c I ·i d n nr.d']c.Hic\J:i~>rn wer.li<E•ns under this S(:'glrJE!rJI- ole lh -i!; pl'lri·.·i.cllli:H' Accor·d . Once these amondiTIE!nts ar'E! r· a t: i. f -L E~ d , U1 e r ~~ i s n o g o i n g b r.·l c k , Mr·. SpE!ai<E!r. 1· hE! surn becornE!S strong1':!r t:h;'ln !:hE:! t.ot.Eil..

Tnsi .. e;·~d of t.E:~n spE!aktng as one, instead of ten pr·ovtncc,~s speaking ;_~s onE! country, Canada, ME,ech Lake gj.VE!S us one pr·ov incE~ i'\s t.hcHigh i. 1-: IL.J('!r'e one of ten countr'.i E!S. A cornmuni.ty oF cormnun i. t: i.E!S, T 1-.h i nl<, Jor,~ c·l ;•n·k called i.t, prior to being Prime Mini.st.er·, r~lnd i::ht:'rl i'lfl·c:!r ho I~Jr1S Pl".ime:' M:l n:i st.er·.

M r· . ;:i p C'! i'J. i<EH' , IAJ:i t h r· e s p c,~ c 1:: t: o rn y soconc:l poi ni· , spr:!l'ld i ng flOIAJf:!t'. ' lruag'.in~~ i-.l p1nouJncr:1 opl.:ing out of a ni'll "i onr.~-1 pr·ogr·•·llfiiiJr~ i·ind 1:)(! i n(!J corupCc!I'ISi:d ed l.o Cdi"I"Y out f.l ~;j rrr.i 1cH' pI" o g r· ;:HI IIIII'! I h r'1 l II II'! t:! I !'· n r:'l ·I i c)I'Jr'·11 ~; l'i:! 11 d c!ll" d s M I'' . S p E! d k or· , s p r.tl" E'' u !> ft'Olll Hw por·k bar·r·el, plc :!r'IS•': 1.1361.

Apr·il. /.9, l.9!lll Vol XL We ar'E! not. eUE!rl sur'E! noiAI IAIIIE!Y'E:! ft:!dr:!r'<:·1·1 IIIOI'liE'!S IAJhir:h i:'II"E' transferred to provincial coffers E'! n d 1 1 p . 1111 e a r· E'' n o 1.: ~; 1.1r·· (:' l:: h a t. L h u y end up where they are targeted. For E'!Xdlllpl.E'!, 1~1e ki'lOIAJ l::hat.: solnl:! students and groups in the P r· o tJ i n c e d r· E' ll E'! I" y c o n c ('' r· n l:• d , P·~ r· . S p E! a k e r , IAJ :i. t h t h e IAI h o 1 e c o n c e p !: o f l.: ·i E:!d f11nd i.ng.

DoE'!S l.:hc;! 1noney !::hat originates i.n Ottawa through tax collection, i::Rrgeted For Newfpundland education systems, r'OHch !:he t'!diJCi:il:ion systE:!rn? ThHr'P hiols bonn a lol·: of CJIIC'!Stions ra'isE!d about that, Mr. SpeakE!r. IIIlo FHr·lr' l•hr:·1i· ~ 'lol·. oF C!di.ICi'll'·.i.un dollars have ended up pdving po!·. holr. ~s. c:l'oing l~ktl : er· i"tnd St'!LlJer· sysl:c,~ms, and E·~;scc!n'!-o:ia11y buy:ing d i s 1. r· i. 1: I ~:. i n g t'' n t'! I",., l l'' 1 E'' c 1:: i. o n s , Mr . SpE!akc,1r. WE! hauE• VCI"Y ciE•ep c () 1'1 c: I'! I'' 1'1 s r'1 b

I) II I. I h r:1 1'. IAI h i c h i ~:; i'IJ'l established progrdrnrno oF r i rli·lnC ·i 1'19 My Cod, 1Aihi·11: IAJOI.Il.d hr=q:>pf:!l'l is l::h1;•y start.E!d pr.lssing bags of rncHlE!Y t.o Lhe provinces For dr:~y care or whatever when lAIC dY'E! nol: surE• t:l1r:.d·. I· h i'! e d I .1 C a I . i. 0 1'1 cl 0 ·1 ·1 r:·l Y' S ('! n cl I I p IAI h (! I" E' they are supposed t:o? Would thosE! dol. l. ;~ r· s E:! n d up IAJ her· c,~ 1'. hey a I" e suppoSE!d to bE! targE!tE!d?

Who c ()I.J l. d 1·.-.r-u s t: 1·:. h · i, s g o v c->. r· r11 n E! n !: IAI'i l:-. h a lump sum payrnE!nt aftor op U .ng ou !':. of d F>r'ogr'i:'lfi'IIIIP? Mr·. Spf'!dkl:•l", I CE!r'tainJ.y cou1d not:. I am orw m f~ m tH'' r· 1~1 h o c o ul. d no l:. , a n d t h a L ·i s a sure sign of a weakness ud.Udn !his nccol"ri, l:o Si'·\Y l:.hi:'il· a pl"ou:inCE! could opl:. out. of a nal•ion.~·11 fH'Ogl"drrlllil~ r'1S lonq as i.l·.: abides by national standdrds. 11\lhr:,r·c~ r'·\l''e I hn cl·lc:!cks 61ncl balancc,~s? Who IAJoulcl com~~ and c h ~~ c:: k o n i I ? 1,11 h o i s c h f:' c k i n q o n education dollars?

Ml". ~3pectker· I h i r· d p o i n I _ TTH~ t. he TTIO S 1:. No. 26 l_ h a t. b I" j r 1 ~J s Ill E'! l': o r 1 1 !; p r· o b "' b 1 y important point my r ul" :i.n R I 36 I.

·I his doc u ITIE! n t: , Quebec d L s t i. n c l· ~; o c ·i e 1·· 1J . ::JC' \.;~ .;. a 11\ll:! h;:-wc~ l· o undor·~;l:;::1nd so1nel .hing, Mr·. SpPi:AioH'. [)·j s l·::i.nc t. mE:HHlS i.rnh t; i dud ·1, s Ppc:u ··;-11 e. d ·i H'r'!l"r'!l'l I Whdt· Mf:~~:!ch Lak~~ js sc~l~:ing, '.'in o I h l'! r· 1·: e nn ~; . ·i s l h ,:-, I , 1J r! ~; , Cc:n~o-1 d"' . i ~~ C ''HI ad cl , s hE~ :i ~; a ~' l:.l" o n g 1: o 1 1 n l r' 1J , u IJI'! r' y bod y ·i ~; n q 11 ~~ l , 1:)111 :.orne iH'O Jncn·E~ c->.qt.1al Lhan othE~rs.

T h (! t' 0 c 0 g n i 1 -; 0 n 0 r q I I C! b (! c ,:-1 !) a d:J ~~t"i net· ~;oc:i cod .. y sc-lys that. Cclnada i s o n E! , b 1.1 1 Q 1 1 c~ b c,1 c -; s t n r:l ·i t; i d u .:·1 ·1 , il· :i:, SC-?.p~i"i:d:r:1, j-[ :is d:ifffH'C,!I'li~, il-. i~; specir.~ ' l, Mr· . Spo<:·lk(:!r· . Tl-. gives Quebec special status . Under this particular clause in t h i_ s i:<tJrte ndHHHll~., 1.~1h i. c h i. n my u i E'!I~J f r· a c l u r P s C a n ad f.l :.L n t h e l o n g r u n , can we conti.nue to S<'~IJ, Mr .

Speaker, that all Canadians are E:!Cjl.li::ll IAJhE:!r'l::! l·:.hC'!r'O i~; const:i.t.ut:i.onal rE!cognition in this document 1·· h c:~ 1: one p ··i. c,! c c,1 Can ;:-1 d <'~ i s d:ifferPnt than another piece of C;:~ni'lc:la? Doc:!~; ir noL logiet:-1lly follotAJ Lhat. Lh<o! const.:i.t.ut.i.on IAI'ill h<we I u be ·i nt:c'!I'TtJP l·od in I:IAJ() I~J(.,( y s to Mco!E!ch now Ml". Spt'1clkE:11", t.hClnks I i'l k e? One'!

IAICI.Y fol" QUE!bE:1C, IAJho J.~> d·ii-fC:!t'r~nl · , c-J"isJ:·incl, SC,1fh~r·,:~ -l-_c~, dnd :.p~~c·i etl, ~nd t.:ho cons ·L-.i tution, I~Jh-it;h is li'Jn flll"lridiiJ(,1rlli~·l l, :~IAJ or' t h E! l r.H 1 d , IAr:i J J h ill v P t·. o b e i, n 1: <~ r r· up i· ~~ d otl·,c~r· n-.ine i nd·i t; idui'll; r:-1 no I h c~ r· IAJd y for· I h r~ p r· o v -.i n c e s IAJ h o a r· co?. n o t. who iH' ~=! 1'1 o t: 1~1 h o c:H · C:! no I s C:! p <H'"' l:c~ ; d j f f e r• E:' rJ t. ; IAJ h 0 C. In E! 11 0 l: '" c cor rl ''! d !> p e c i r:-1 l s l·. ,., l. us . Mr.

Spe~ker, Canad-.-i ans no longer· a level field. society eliminates of e:1qwi. t.y as negates equality. f1.1 ncl diiH~ n 1- <:·1lly arE! playing on lhc,1 disl:.i.nct thE! principle d i. s t ·i. n c t i v <->. n e ~· s L1:d~. nH~ giV(! you Mr. SpC:1a k EH'. a sports metaphor, lt. l~.JOUld b~:! l·.:h(o!

I 1 3 62 Apr-:iJ 29, 1988 Uo1 XL E!quivalent of the Edmonton O:il.ers pli.·IIJ i ng I he quobec ~Jor·r:l ics. · rh~:!y a r E! r e Cl d y -.i. n g f () In l.: h e g cWI E~ I b u t. bc=!FOJ"r~ lhe rj..-\IIH,1 OtJE:!n ~;l..;u·-1-~:; lhE! scorc=!I:)OiH'd flashE!S: Nor·cLlv> ·-· S, () i "I f~ I" S ·0 (\)[)hi, l'-1r· . ~:) p EO! i:·\ bH' L~JO U "I d that be fair? Before you euen s I .-., r· 1- I h C:! 17 ·i 1··· ~; l: p e I'' ·i o d , I h u 1J <'~ r· c,:• up fivE~----not:h:i n~~ .

It i!; unE•CfUht1 . r d 111 s Ill" e I h C! o ·i ·1 C:! r· ~; ~~Jo u ·1 d c a I·· c h up and beat U1r:1m, but. for·g::i.vc o! my spor·l~; lflr~l..-~phot ' . T h.:-11 i.s no J.l.Jt tlj t. o b e g :i n a g arnE! . T 1·1 a t. :i. !> IAJ h i:A t 1 <1111 sdy·ing, Mr·. Sp<,1r'lkc;!r'. Mr· . Spe;·,,l<('!t', 1-.his Accor·d 11.1hE!l:. her members like to adrni.t it: or not, Cr'E~i'\1-.0S 1-:IAJO SOl i. l--l.ici(,1S I~J i.l-- ~d n Canada, tu.Jo SE!parate E!ntitiE:!S, Lu.Jo di.sl.inct. par·Ls, I··_JAJO sc;!pdr'<:'!LE'! <.'lnd dist:inct pieCE!S of Canada. ME!E!Ch \..i:i kP Si:·IIJS fOI"qE•I: : l: hE!

OJ'lC:!rl('SS, for'gEd: thE! gr'E!d-l:I1E!SS, for·gE!t Lhe ~;f:.r'E!ngl ·. h of l::his gr'C:!dt, IAIOnd(o!rful and beautiful land Canada, sho a in 1 I·· Canada drliJITior·e. Shl"! Ls Fre!nch Canada and English Canada ;--1nd l.lvtl : is ~~JI-J,·1l· M<;!ech l..c\kc,, has done. §.QJ1f...l!.9_f'i_. -~-EM B t: r~ ~ : Honr·, hE:!t:-~r·! MR.

FURt.Y : M r· . ~-) p r,1 .~~ k c'! r· d ·i s I ·; n c 1-- s o c -L ~:! t y ITIE~ans, and hclS to bE~ (,1quat:E!cl t~r:it:.l, spc~c:i.~l. sl.~·lill~>- lr•lh::!n IJOII llli:'!kH Quc;!b<-:~c mor·c-:~ E!qual thi'ln othE!Ins IAJho d 0 n (I 1: h iHJr'! s fl P. r: 'ii:'ll s 1: r:·l 1:1.1 s I 1'10111 cl 0 thE! ot.her Canadians feE!l? It g i tJ n s t' i ~; n i· o l: h i s q 1.1 e s 1--. i on , ~1 r· . Spei'iker: Is thE! ME!E!Ch Lak\'! ;:wH~nrlinr; !nl : of 1-- hn Consl .: i.l·: uti.on Acl: of 1982 a violation of SE!CU .on liJ () r I h 0 c h ;:-1 r1-. e r ? I ('! 1: I I s l. 0 () k 6\ t

Section 15 of the Charter. I just hi'lpp(~n l··o ht:·ltJE:! i. t J"ight h<'!I"C,1, Mr. Speaker. It: is called Pr·ov"i.s i.on. carefully, Mr. 1-h~:! fundauH:!nl · t:-~1 No. 26 r ·j s ,. en SpE:1dkE!r . l r:~I~J U F Equc:~li ty I. ,·1 i 1~. This '.i. s 1· he 'land. R 1362

A'l "l of tts 1·1d"l'~ l·o ab · ic:lr : ~ by Th : i~; .J ~; ·rho COI'lCI"~~l·:H t·hcd C i'·l n d d d 1: o q C:! 11·1 c:~ r' , c .~ ·1 l (! r'l Con~; l :i t·ut:J on. Ft"Ont Cons 1. i l .u I ion IAH~ dot" i lH! I he t·hHt:. dl'l of' us ~~njoy. I hi l> binds ht:!l'' t. hE! r· i 9 hI s SE:'cti.ort 15, subsection (1) r'edds, t\1 r· . s p (~ a I«·H' : It E v EH' y i. n d i. v i d u c:~ l. i s equal before and under the law and has the righl l:o the equal protection and equal benefit of the latAJ. 11 Now, j tts l.: r·<;!tn(;!tTtb<;!r' tAJI'1A ' ~. T said, Mr·. Speaker. Come back to MeE!Ch Lake:~ .

Me E! c h 1 .. r:~ k e r' Ei!<: o g n ·i 1. <'! ~; Qtw l:w c r:·\ li <.·\ distinct society to be promoted as d i. s 1". ·j n c t I d i. -r:- r (:~ 1" E:! n I I s e p c::l r· o::l l: 0 i·\ n d .J ncl'i uiduclJ . 1-!0tAJ can tAJE:~ bE:' equaJ t.tndnr· l:his f'ttnddllll '1nl ·r'l.l l t.·HAJ lhdl gjves us all equality when the Cons 1: ·i Ltt Lion, t~Jh i ch

l) ttpc;!r'cr:!dl'!!i o lJ e t" y t h :i n g , s d y s , s o rn ~:! c'\ , .. E~ m or·~~ C'!CJUI·\l l·h,:·\1'1 ol·hC!t " S? '[ ·I i!; o•ll'l .i ·1·1 og:i cc,~J pt"Emt:i ~;E~, Mt". SpE:!aker·. [i doc!!; noi llli::tkf:! ~;c!nse r:L hr~s Ct" :i ppJ Pd the concept o·r all Cdnetrl i.·lns fi''l)IIJ Sl Ani hony :·o Bl" :.i. tj~;h CoJumbid <:~ t · tjoying (! q I I i'\ l i 1. y . 1\l (l I h i 1'1 g ·j 5 \'! q 1.1 (•\ 1 r.tr 1 y rn o r· E! . ThE' t" <:~ j s no 1 o n g e r· a lE!V('!l p1ay·ing fi.E!ld . Mr'. Sp<'!i'lkc,H' I i L does 9 i V<:! r··i S\~ the hon. Minister of Justice (Ms V e r· g <'! ) IAJ i. ll. k n ot~J i:: h i. s I~ o t:·. hE~ l<'!gal intE!Y'pr·et.ation of

Section 15 of the Charter which is R fundamental law which gives us all eqtlal.'i.ty. We r:~ ·in't. eqt.tRl. anymor·e. The equa1:i.ty rights, Mr. Sp <~ cl k c:1 r· I i. n 1.: hE! Char·, .. e r· s hoLt 1 d complement and add to the a n l i. ·-· d i s cr· i. trl i. n a 1:. i o n p r· o lJ"i . s i. o n ~; Found :i.n the fE!deral and prou inc i a l ht.tttkHl r· .. i gh Is JegisJation. It does not.

The r~ q 1.1 i'\·1 i 1·. y r· i g hI s rl o no I . r h r:! y ~: ho11J d crrrnp'.l C'!fTIC:Hll-, bul t h1:~y do not. c 011tp l nlltf~ n I I. :1 363 Apr·:U 29, 1988 Vol XI... spr:!cial slc'.lltts, S(~C:!rrtS I•J be d·isct":itTt'.l.nator·y aga :irtst LhosE• t.~JI·fo do nnl · hc:·\lle s p~:! c i <'I 'I ld·.a l:tt ~ ; , n cHTI E! J y , M r· . ~; p e a I< E! r· , a ] l o t·. 1·1 E! I" C •.. ,, n .:·u I · i. r:'ll'l s o 1.1 I s i c:l l:! q t.t<'d:H'! c .

T h t:! y n o longE!r enjoy a fundatTtE!n ·l:.aJ ·.lniAJ oF I h e 1 a n , :J , 1: h \'! c o n s '1:. i , .. 1.1 I: i u n t).J h .i. c h t;,Ja s pat ria t. e d j n 1. 9 8 2 tAJ h j c h says y o 1.1 •'l r' E! c'\ ·1 l E1 q 1.1 C\ l. . [ t: i. s n o l:. s o anymorE!. Mr. SpeakE!r, just a quick r·<~f<,1f'E!I'lC<,~ bdck t.o LhE'! fundamental laws of our J.and aga'.l.n. SE!Ct:l.on 16

(1) SRYS 1 "Fngl "i. ~;h and Fr·c.,-.nch, Officia1 Languages of Canada.'' 'l ' he:~y i:lr'e l ·: h<,~ of:'fic 'i. r·ll lr:'tngtlag<;!s of Canada under this Charter. Yet, d i. s l.: i n c 1: soc 1. <'! I ~ y c '"' "I 1 s for' L h l'! pro rn o t. :i o n o 'f F r t:' n c h o n J y tAri t hoi n Qttl~bc:!c ; [,,le r·nc o gni.l.u ·l .. he J"igl ·tl· of pt"<'!SBY'Vdt:ion of J.anguag<'! and t; lt11t .tr·c. bul nu ·l In lllo poi nl:. IAJ 1·1 (:' r ('! l: hE! S C a] (:' S 0 f E:! q U d] ·:i. [·:. y d I" l:! I i 'l I I'! d I 0 r· ,.,

l) l) II r· 0 II(~ g r' (II I p i n Canad'.i.an sociE1ty OUE!t" t.hE! o Lh~H'. rh c:!r' O 'i!; d rt .JI'lll,·,\ttiC;!t'll :dl inE'!qUi:,ll i. Ly 1 Mt". Spc-:'aket", ar1d t.~JC: : ! r.lr'E! sayjng .i 'l" iS Wl"OJ'lg look di· n·i'i,'l '1()1 IAJhith l"t::>ql.lit" eS s i. g n c\ g <;! :i n F r· E! n c h o n 1 y l~ h r o u g h o u t . lhn Pr·otJinct:! of queb~'!C. Is l··.hal'·. right in a great country that d<:!lnc.~nds c:~nd r·equ i.r'C'!S l: :hc.~ 1·. l':hC'!t"<~ bt;• a bilingual function within our OtlJn ChRt"h>.r? Mr'.

Spc~akel", LhJ.s particular clause gives rise to i'lnd Cf:HISE!S rne, dS r.\ IIH~III~)('!r' of ·Lh:is Legislature, one of many 1.. e g ·L s l. c:l t 11 r 1::1 s i::l c r· o !> s 1:: h E• c o u n t r' y , to tAJant to arnE!nd ME!E'C:h Lake . I g i. v <:1 no 1:. i c r-~ now l· o GouernrnE!nt HoUSE! Leader l·.ndc:\Y pt"opos i ng Lh<'! amendment to Meech Lake: l::h<:1 hon. that I attt fo-llotAJ i.ng I tAJant. t.o add SE~c t::i.on (

c) l':o ~:inclion 1, pr:~r · l". "?'' l·o t"t'!('td a!; follotAIS: 1 (

c) thE! r·eco~~n:it. :ion 1 h<"·11 Nct~rrn~tnd I <·)t·trl •Hid 1 ,·)br'f·\clt:rr' cons t:i t ui::E:~s tAril·: h:in Canada a d i !) I i n c I· li o c: i l'! I y . And I o r:-1 d d p <'l I" I" No. 26 R1363

(5) l". O SE!CI~t on 1, fhH't. 11 2 11 1-o r· (o~ d d : ( I) ) T h e r· o 1 E! o f t h e \ .. ('!9 i sl;:~tur·(->. ;:'tnd GotJt7!l"l'lTfl(7!1'lL of NE!IA1found1dnd and Labrador to pt'('!Sr·H'~Je i:HJd f>r'ornol ·e l · h~' ! disL ·incl :1dr:!ntil:y of NE!tAifourJd]arJd ar1cl I . a b r· a d o r· r· E:! f E'! r· r· E'! d \· o i n ·1 (

c) i s af·F-.i l"rrJE:~d . MR. r:ur~FY : Ml". ~~p<o~CikEH', J cOli glad to bE:~ i' .. li:>J e I o 111011 r:! I h,,,,. <~lllr:t nriJJJr,~ n I·, s c'! co nrl r:!d by 111 y h o n . co] ] <o~ a g u e f r· o rn Fogo (r-llr'. Tu1 k), l:o ~; .:1y Hh~ l: HJi s pcH· ·I-j cu] Etl" Pr·ern:i e:~r, PI"BITdC;H' f> e c k r::- o r· d , "' n d L h i s p .::t r· 1: i. c 1.11 .:H' government, being a signatory to \'.: h i s p t'll" 1.: ·i c 1 11 <'1 r· c i o c u 111 f~ n I: , h i-1 s cr·E:~al.ed an absolutE!ly fundaiTH:!ntal 11 n f ~ i. r· n f'! s s w i. 1:: h i n +: h e:1 fed E~ r· <:·1 L i o n . Tl:. has lop-s'.i.dE!d Canada. Mr.

SpeakE!r· - MR. SIMMS : A poi.nt of order, Mr. Speaker . MR. SPFAI<FI~: 'AFJ()t n -t: of Pr·C;~s .. i dnn 1': of MR. ST.MMS: order, the l:.h<e! Counc i.'l. hon . thE! T-hc~ue-l1ot: hE!cH'd your· Honoul" say if \.hE~ i:·llnr:!ndHH'!I'Jl: l~li:~.s ·in or•dc~r·, or· cH1yth:ing EdS<o' . Jt. obvJously sho111r:1 bo cons idc~J"·r:!d, i'lnd 1411'! 1*)1111'1 not nr:i nd hctv'.'i ng a J ook at t-he copy of I' h n ;·~uJC,~ nciHIC'! n I· <:·1 s l~lc:! 11 . MR . FIH?FY : Ml". ~1p~:!CikcH·, t.hc-:! hon. goUE!r·nrn~Hlt. H o 11 s n 1 c,~ ~~ c:l C'! r· i s .:-1 b so 'I u L n I y c: o I" r· ~~ c 1· dl'ld T t"Cibl e it. notAl.

T woil.l c o n I ·i n 1.1 E~ such tirne IAI -j 1: h as :it·. my r' <~Jn;:u· k s :is r·uJ ed on. SOMF HON . MEMRERS: No, no! MR. ST.MMS : 1.1 n I i 1 ·vO"l:l can ·-- cont:'.i ntH! your rE!rnarks on 1 .. 'I ] 6 /~. Apr· ·il ?.9, 19!!8 Vo'l X I_ the 1nol~ion . MR. FUREY: Wha-t: I a1n sayi.ng, Mr" . SpE!akE!rJ a~) T conl:inllt'! wy spPC:'!CIJ on 111ol::ion, IAia:i.·U .ng for thE! r·ul.tng on LhE• i·111H'!I'ldlllr~nl, ·is I hritl .. Cd1"1<'1.da hds I'I <'IIAI been created :into C~ supermarket of s hop fl i n y c o n l· o i" s 1~1 he r· r~ ~; o 111 f'' c ;:'' n o p t o u t , s o ITI E! c a n o p t t n , s o ITI ~'!

Cdl'l i'J,.,lt)e Fr'C!I'I•:.h, SOIIIC~ Ci'·11'1 h;::tv~:· EngJ:lsh. What IAJE! c h o r k t:! r' b o"' r· d nat:ion. MR. SPEAKER: have 0 r· d C'! r· , p 1 e i'l s l'>. ! j s d l .. lri ~; T did h<'!i!lr' what. i·h~:! hun. rnc->.rnber· for Port dE• GravE• sa·:i.d and T am go ·ing i:O E!XCIISO hi.ITJ l:: h i.s OtlC0!. [ d:ld hear· what hE! said. PleclSE!, cont. i. nuc-?.. The hon. the member for St. Barbe . MR. FUREY : Ml" . ~; )pE!di<E!r', I did not. hf'!i"lr', but: r: tAd11 cont:i.nUE! tAiit : h my rE!tnarks . What. rny amendment, Mr.

Speaker, p r· o p o s P s i ~; i: o c o r· r· f:! c t 1:: he injustice that was created when Hds Pr'OJII"i::!t' signc:.d \·.his document. I do not. r'E!a].Jy Lhink I hr~ Pr't-)111 i C:!r' llndr:'r ' s I nod 1~1h..:t 1: h~?. IAidS s-.:i gntng. Ht:1 sj.gned a clocurnE!I 'I L I h i.,l I ~; <'1 i c:l Q I I e b r;! C i S Ill 0 I"(! e q II a l. t.hr.~n Ne1.ufoundJ.and, rno1nE! d]stJnct:. 'l:h;·uJ l\lt~bJfOIItJd1 .:-1nd i:HJd c:OI'llHH'Sel y, N~~IAJfoundJand is lE!SS cl:i.st.incl .. r.u1d ·r ns s ~~Cflld1 i'h.:·ln quobr:!r.. l11ihc:11 ttlf~ dl"f'! lx·ying t·o do '"'"i. l·h t::h ·is amendment., Mr.

SpeakE•r, is t:o c o r· r· E! c 1':. , L o f i x , I~ o ~; I· r· c:-~ i. g h 1:. e n o u 1:: that anomaly, that inequ :i t.y, t.hdt lop - ·S i . cl~:!d b,.,·l anCf'! l::h<:·lt. '"'a~; cr·ea \::eel by signing this silly document:. M r . S p e a k e r• , 1 E! t ITI E! c o n t i n u E! b y No . /. 6 r~ l 3 6 11 .

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