Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 7 June 2007 (45th General Assembly, 4th Session, Vol. XLV No. 26)

2007-06-07

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

Newfoundland and Labrador Hansard — Members' Statements; Statements by Ministers — 7 June 2007 (45th General Assembly, 4th Session, Vol. XLV No. 26)

2007-06-07

Newfoundland and Labrador — Debates (Hansard)

June 7, 2007 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

PROCEEDINGS Vol. XLV No. 26

The House met at l:30 p.m.

MR. SPEAKER (Hodder): Order, please!

Admit strangers.

This afternoon we are very pleased and very honoured to welcome members of

the Newfoundland and Labrador

Chapter of the Canadian Peacekeeping Veterans

Association. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans hold a very special place

of honour in our Assembly, and we are delighted to have you join us today.

Welcome - a very special welcome - to your House, the House of Assembly.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

Statements by Members

MR. SPEAKER: This afternoon, members' statements are as follows: the

hon. the Member for the District of St. John's South, the Minister of Justice,

with leave, and I do understand leave has been granted; the Member for the

District of Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune; the Member for the District of Bonavista

North; the Member for the District of Grand Bank; the Member for the District of

Placentia & St. Mary's; and, the Member for the District of Humber Valley.

The Chair recognizes the Minister of Justice and the Member for St. John's

South.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Opposition for

leave to allow me to present this statement today.

As everyone in this House is aware, Canadians have a strong and glorious

peacekeeping tradition. No other region of the country has shown as much

dedication and courage in peacekeeping efforts as Newfoundlanders and

Labradorians, and, given our small population, it is really quite astounding

that there have been thousands of peacekeepers serve from this Province.

From peacekeeping efforts in the Suez Canal to ongoing efforts in Cyprus,

Canada's peacekeeping commitment is known throughout the world - and it has

certainly not been without sacrifice. Approximately 230 peacekeepers have lost

their lives in the service of peace over the last fifty years, and many of these

have been Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

Mr Speaker, it is with these sacrifices in mind that I rise in this House to

bring to light the work of the Canadian Peacekeeping Veterans Association,

Newfoundland and Labrador Chapter. The Newfoundland and Labrador

Chapter has

done tremendous work to educate Canadians and Newfoundlanders and Labradorians

about the invaluable work that peacekeepers provide. Today, I want especially to

recognize their efforts to erect a permanent monument in the City of St. John's,

which honours all Newfoundland and Labrador peacekeepers, as well as those who

have fought with Canada prior to Confederation in 1949. All three levels of

government were approached for funding, and I am proud to stay that the

Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, as well as the City of St. John's,

did provide funding towards this particular monument.

Mr. Speaker, I ask that all members in the House today join me in recognizing

the members of the Newfoundland and Labrador Chapter, and I encourage all

Members of the House of Assembly, and all residents of the Province of

Newfoundland and Labrador, to visit this outstanding memorial that was unveiled

in August of last year at Veterans Square, which is located in downtown St. John's.

Once again, Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank the Newfoundland and Labrador

Chapter of the Canadian Peacekeeping Veterans Association for its excellent

work, and all members of the House for allowing me to make this statement today.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay-Cape la Hune.

MR. LANGDON: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, over the last couple of weeks I have had the pleasure of

attending two annual ceremonial reviews of Sea Cadet Corps movements in my

district.

On May 25, the Admiral F.J. Mifflin Cadet Corps in Hermitage reached a

milestone achievement and celebrated the tenth anniversary of their formation.

Twenty-four very active cadets from the community of Hermitage-Sandyville

presently make up the membership of this Corps.

Mr. Speaker, the staff members of this Corps include: Jeffrey Herritt, Myra

Herritt, Sharon Osmond and Norman Hollett. Mr. Speaker, these people have been

there for ten years, since the inception of the Corps. The reviewing officer for

this annual review was Brenda Pinto, President, Navy League of Canada,

Newfoundland and Labrador Division. The review ceremony included a banquet and

awards presentation with some seventeen awards being given to deserving cadets.

Mr. Speaker, on June 3, I had the pleasure of attending the 7 th

annual ceremonial review for the 3065 Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps in the

Major Noel Hand, Music Coordinator for the Newfoundland and Labrador Cadet

detachment.

There are currently eighteen cadets in this Corps and are under the direction

of Commanding Officer Maxine Clarke and staff and officers: Sheila Keeping,

Cathy Bullen, Winston Keeping and Steward May. I also wish to recognize the

local cadet corp.

Mr. Speaker, during the review ceremonies some eleven awards were presented

to very deserving cadets. The formal review was followed by a reception attended

by the cadets and invited guests.

Mr. Speaker, I want to wish the cadets, officers and staff of the Admiral F.J.

Mifflin Cadet Corp of Hermitage and the 3065 Royal Canadian Army Cadets of

movement.

Thank you.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bonavista North.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. HARDING: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to offer congratulations to the

Cape Freels Heritage Trust, operators of the Barbour Living Heritage Village.

The Village, located in Newtown, Bonavista Bay, was recently presented with

an award from the Kittiwake Coast Tourism Association. The award recognized the

important contribution the site has made to the economy of the Kittiwake Coast

and the invaluable role they have played in the development of the tourism

industry in that region.

This is the latest in a growing list of awards received by the site, a list

that includes the Southcott Award for heritage preservation and restoration, the

Manning Award for excellence in the public presentation of historic places, and

the Scotiabank Award which recognizes exceptional efforts in customer service.

These awards are a testament to the hard work and dedication of a select

number of volunteers who have laboured hard and long to transform the Barbour

Living Heritage Village into one of Newfoundland and Labrador's premier

historic sites.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join with me in congratulating the

Cape Freels Heritage Trust on their most recent award and on their continued

efforts to restore and preserve our heritage and culture.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Mr. Speaker, I rise today to extend congratulations and a

sincere thank you to Frank Crews of Grand Bank. Mr. Crews is the recipient of

the 2007 Newfoundland & Labrador Teachers' Association Bancroft Award.

The Bancroft Award recognizes outstanding service at the branch level of the

NLTA for the betterment of education and professionalism for teachers.

A teacher for over thirty-two years, Mr. Crews has been an active member of

the GranForLine Branch of the NLTA since 1980. He has held numerous executive

offices at the branch level including: communications officer, secretary,

vice-president and president, a position he currently holds.

Mr. Crews has been active at the committee level including membership on the

Ad Hoc Committee for Teacher Mediation and the Provincial Communications

Committee. He was a delegate at the NLTA convention in 1971, 1972 and from 1988

until the present. He was a member of the Branch Liaison Committee and Chair of

the Branch Public Relations Communications Committee.

Since 1988, Mr. Crews has chaired the Retirement Committee which organizes

celebrations for teachers in the GranForLine Branch. He was involved in every

aspect of these events, ranging from ticket sales to emceing the event.

Mr. Crews is presently the Principal of John Burke High School in Grand Bank.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this House to join me in congratulating

Frank Crews and thanking him for his many years of service to teachers and

students in our Province.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Placentia & St. Mary's.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I rise today in this hon. House to congratulate two people in my

district for their outstanding achievements in recent weeks.

Priscilla Corcoran Mooney is a primary health facilitator with Eastern Health

at Placentia. She is an avid and hardworking volunteer in a number of

initiatives in her home community of

Branch and is also mayor of the town.

Mayor Mooney was recently nominated by Flare Magazine, along with 200 other

women across Canada, for the Community Volunteer Award. Last month she was

selected as one of only six winners across Canada, and was invited to Toronto to

accept her award.

Mr. Speaker, David Constantine is a teacher at Laval High School in

Placentia. Recently, at a national conference in Moncton, New Brunswick, David

received an award from the Canadian Association for Health, Physical Education

and Recreation for teaching excellence in physical education.

Last week, at Laval High School, Mr. Constantine, along with co-teacher, Sean

Ryan, and their workplace safety students, received a provincial award for their

radio ad contest on Safety in the Workplace, sponsored by the Workplace Health

and Safety Compensation Commission. This radio ad will be aired on local

provincial stations.

I ask all hon. members to join me in congratulating Ms Priscilla Corcoran

Mooney and Mr. David Constantine and wish them well in their future endeavours.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, I rise in this House today to recognize four young

constituents from my district: Sarah Bass and Mila Major of Reidville; and

Brandon Roberts and Chantel Coles of Deer Lake. This fantastic four were

recently awarded the Silver Duke of Edinburgh Award.

Mr. Speaker, for any individual to qualify for this award, the participant

must undertake a balance program of leisure-time activities and meet the

prescribed standards in four important areas, including: community service,

adventurous journeys, physical fitness and skill development.

Sarah, Mila, Brandon and Chantel completed all the above requirements and

were presented with their Silver Awards at a recent ceremony attended by the

Honourable Ed Roberts, Lieutenant Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador.

This group of four Level II students at Elwood Regional High School in Deer

Lake have set a wonderful example for their fellow students. They are well liked

in the school, very visible in the town, and great stewards for our Province.

Mr. Speaker, I ask all members to join with me in extending congratulations

to Sarah, Mila, Brandon and Chantel. They are glowing examples of today's

youth, and I am proud to say they live in my district, the beautiful Humber

Valley.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Statements by Ministers.

Statements by Ministers

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I understand that the

Opposition House Leader has a copy of the statement from yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to announce new service improvements

which will provide enhanced

interpretation services and overall engagement for

Innu and Inuit people involved in the justice system. This government recognized

the need for better access to the justice system for Aboriginal peoples and

their communities; and, Mr. Speaker, we have acted upon that need. These new

service improvements have been developed under the umbrella of the Northern

Strategic Plan, and are part of our overall commitment to the people of

Labrador, and are the result of extensive public consultations and input,

supplemented by cross-departmental efforts.

Through monies allocated in last year's budget, my department was able to

engage a consultant to research and consult on

interpretation issues in the

justice system. The consultant's report has been summarized and translated

into Inuktitut and Innu-aimun, and distribution of this document is currently

underway. Following the recommendations, we allocated $424,000 for an Aboriginal

interpretation initiative. With these funds we will develop and deliver a legal

interpreters course for Innu and Inuit interpreters in Labrador through the

College of the North Atlantic and we will be able to hire staff interpreters in

Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Nain and Natuashish. We will also hire a senior advisor

who will facilitate access to justice activities and work directly with

communities to improve dialogue and understanding.

I am particularly pleased with the collaborative effort that was demonstrated

through the development of this initiative. My department has identified and

engaged all relevant stakeholders and has fully researched existing programs to

follow best practices for interpretative services for Aboriginal people.

Furthermore, we are actively building partnerships with Aboriginal

communities in Labrador, with educational resources, including the College of

the North Atlantic, Memorial University and the Department of Education, as well

as with the Public Legal Information Association of Newfoundland and Labrador. I

am very excited and enthusiastic about this initiative and look forward to

working with our partners to make this a meaningful and responsive program for

the people of Labrador, and I wish to congratulate all of those who were

involved in the development of these new services.

Once again, Mr. Speaker, these new Interpretive Services are yet another

example of our government's commitment to be proactive and fully engage

residents of all communities across the Province, including the communities in

Labrador.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Torngat Mountains.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. ANDERSEN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Let me say to the minister, Nakummek means thank you for this commitment -

thank you in Innu for an advance copy of your statement.

Minister, let me say that the previous Administration did a lot of groundwork

as well to help bring about this initiative. The Member for Burgeo & LePoile

was instrumental with the women of Labrador in bringing in full-time policing to

the communities of Makkovik and Rigolet.

Minister, this is a good statement.

Mr. Speaker, we are well aware of the negative effect that alcohol has had on

the Aboriginal people, not just in Labrador or Canada, but worldwide.

Mr. Speaker, we believe that we have people who have served time in Her

Majesty's Penitentiary for a crime that they are unaware they have committed.

What is far more important, Mr. Speaker, is that very little translation

services were available at the time.

Minister, if justice is to be served, then it is the Aboriginal people whose

time has come for justice in many ways. Let me say, as an Aboriginal, today I am

very proud of the statement you just made, that it is a good start and it will

go a long way toward the people in Labrador having a fair trial.

Again, minister, thank you for this wonderful initiative and certainly,

anything you can do for the Aboriginal people in Labrador, I trust that you and

your government will do so.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the minister for the advanced copy.

This is a wonderful step in the right direction. I think there have been many

injustices in the past because of Innu and Inuit not understanding what was

going on, as my colleague has referred to.

I hope, too, that - and I am sure you are - the minister and the department

are open to exploring other ways with the Aboriginal communities that the

justice system can meet their needs. This is a step recognizing that it is

dealing with the justice system as it is, but I think we also need to have

conversations with the Aboriginal communities about justice being meted out in a

way that fits more within their culture and the way in which they do it within

their communities. I hope that would be the next step that your department would

look at.

Thank you very much.

MR. SPEAKER: Further statements by ministers?

Oral Questions.

Oral Questions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My questions are for the Minister of Fisheries.

Most people in the Province would agree that the marketing and secondary

processing division of FPI is its most valued resource. Yet, your government is

allowing that division of FPI to be sold to a Nova Scotia competitor.

It is our understanding that the bid put forward by the Barry Group of

Companies for the purchase of FPI would have included all of its assets, that

meaning the Newfoundland portion as well as the secondary processing and

marketing division in the United States. This would have meant that all of FPI's

divisions would have been owned and operated by a Newfoundland company.

I ask the minister: Can he tell us why the Barry bid for FPI was not

acceptable to your government?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, I will have to undertake to have my memory

refreshed, so what I am going to say now I say with that caveat.

My recollection is that the Barry Group - FPI called for proposals for

certain categories of their assets: the marketing arm, the primary assets that

they owned in Newfoundland, and I think it was one other group. I believe there

were three parcels, if you want - I am searching for the right word here - of

assets that people could bid on. The Barry Group put in two bids.

I will have to undertake to have my memory refreshed what was included in

each bid. I do know that one of the Barry bids, and the bid that you would put

up against the OCI bid as a comparison, included the Newfoundland based primary

producing assets and the offshore scallop and shrimp. I do know that was one

parcel of bids, and that was a parcel that was -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the minister now to complete his answer.

MR. RIDEOUT: That was a parcel that was compared with the OCI bid.

Also, though, I have a recollection that Barry had another bid, but what was

included in that I would have to undertake to get the detail and get back to the

hon. member on it rather than - I am not prepared to fly by you know what on

this.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

We are not asking you to fly, but if you would - we are going to introduce

the bill to repeal the FPI Act later in the day, so if you could get the

information we would like to hear it. I do appreciate the answer that you gave.

Mr. Speaker, the residents of Little Bay Islands have been notified that

their crab plant won't be open or operational this year.

I ask the minister: What is your government doing for the employees of that

town who will find themselves without any source of income this summer?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that Little Bay Islands

has been advised by the operator, Daley Brothers, that they don't intend to

operate the facility this summer. The town, with the approval of the department,

took out an ad to try to determine whether or not there was any other interest

in operating the facility, leasing the facility perhaps from the owners and

operating it. That process is not completed, as I understand it.

Having said that, of course, the operation in Little Bay Islands right now

is, because it is on an island with ferry service and so on, very much at the

mercy, for anybody who might want to operate, of environmental conditions, ice

and so on. There is an interest, I can say, in an operator operating, but

whether or not present conditions would allow for that to happen is problematic

right now.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

If the plant doesn't open in the very near future, the crab will be caught

and processed elsewhere.

I ask: What will you be doing for the residents of that community who will

have no source of income as a result of the plant being closed?

The other question, Mr. Speaker, concerns the crab license. I do believe it

is the policy of your department that if the plant is not operational in a

two-year period, then the license is cancelled. That is of grave concern to the

people of Little Bay Islands.

What I am asking, Mr. Speaker: Will you make an exception for that island

community to ensure that if the plant doesn't open this year, the license will

be available to them in the future?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Mr. Speaker, on the latter question first, I have checked

into this matter and it is my understanding that the licence on Little Bay

Islands is not in any jeopardy. The minimum amount of processing took place

there last year which protects the license. It is not in its second year of a

two-year phase out.

If, for some reason, environmental or otherwise, the plant doesn't operate

this year it won't be the second year of a two-year, it will be year one.

There isn't any problem as far as that goes in the immediate future.

In terms of employment for people on Little Bay Islands, if there isn't any

in the fish plant, Mr. Speaker, that is an issue we certainly will address as

time goes by, as we will in any community around the Province where there is an

employment problem because of a failure in a major industry, this case being the

fishery.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Leader of the Opposition.

MR. REID: Just a quick supplementary on that, Mr. Speaker.

Maybe you could check this out as well, while you are checking out the

information on FPI. The Mayor, Perry Locke, is of the understanding that the

licence will, after this year, be two years of inactivity and that it did not

meet the necessary processing requirements last year. So could you check that

out and let us know, as well?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. RIDEOUT: Yes, absolutely, Mr. Speaker.

I was approached by an operator who operated on Little Bay Islands

previously, and who, I understand, has had some interest in operating there

again this year and who raised, with me, what they understood to be a problem, a

carryover from last year in terms of processing.

The production reports that we have at the department indicates, Mr. Speaker,

and this is the advice I have received from senior officials in my department,

the minimum requirements to keep that licence current did take place on Little

Bay Islands last year. If there is anything different from that, that comes to

my attention, we will obviously deal with it and deal with it promptly, Mr.

Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My first two questions are for the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

Mr. Speaker, it is government policy this year for people in the Province

wishing to purchase salmon licences that you must have a valid government photo

ID. For those who do not have a driver's licence, for example, this means

paying an additional fee to get this piece of identification.

I ask the minister: Why are the people of this Province being forced to pay

the additional $25 to obtain a photo identification before they can purchase

their salmon licence?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Mr. Speaker, I think the Opposition House Leader is probably

referring to the family licence situation, which was raised in our department, I

believe, about a week-and-a-half ago. That has been addressed. What we are

looking at is, the individual who purchases the licence on behalf of the family

is the one that we will require the ID from. They are not going to be required

from the other individuals who are on that family plan.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

That was leading to my second question. I am pleased to see that there is

something being done with it. Unfortunately, again, that has not been made known

to the public.

I had a call yesterday afternoon from a gentleman in Port aux Basques who

provided me with your licence purchasing agreement and it says that the back

portion of the stub must be completed by the vendor, angler is to supply names

and driver's licence, photo ID from Motor Registration of all persons who will

be fishing under the licence. The gentleman in question, I do not mind - he

asked me, in fact, to say his name, Mr. Jack Elms, an eight-two-year-old vet

from Port aux Basques, for years has bought a licence for his

thirty-three-year-old, now, disabled grandson. All of a sudden, before he can

now get his salmon licence to put his grandson on as a family member, he has to

pay $25 for the grandson before he can buy the licence. So, that is the

circumstance. I think it is totally unfair.

My question, I guess, now that you said you are going to look at it, is: How

and when and how fast can that be distributed to the Province so people become

aware of this?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: In the case of the individual that you have mentioned, it is

unfortunate that they find themselves in that situation that they may not know,

but I can tell you that department officials have already been in contact with

the venues who issue the licences and they have been - people have been informed

of that. So, it is unfortunate in that particular case but there has been

notification sent out across the Province.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My last question will be for the Premier.

The government committed to a full judicial inquiry into the faulty breast

cancer hormone receptor testing issue which has been in the public domain for

some weeks now. We had the judicial inquiry announcement made, I believe, two

weeks ago now, plus.

I ask the Premier, again: When can we expect to see the terms of reference of

the inquiry and who government will be actually naming as the Commissioner?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Premier.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

PREMIER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the hon. member for that question. Right now there is a judge who is

considering taking over the inquiry. That person is having discussions with Mr.

Thompson with regard to consideration of terms of reference and to make sure

that the judge is comfortable with the exercise. So, that should be completed, I

would think, by the end of the week and we should be in a position by next week

to announce who that person is.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, last week the Minister of Human Resources,

Labour and Employment was on his feet in this House praising the government's

Poverty Reduction Strategy. This week in the news we heard once again that this

Province has still the highest per capita rate of food bank use in Canada.

I ask the minister: Given this statistic, does he think that this government

should be praised for their achievements in their terms of poverty reduction?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, last week in this House I did stand and announce some of the

initiatives that this government has undertaken. I will point out to the House

and to the people of the Province that we are basically not quite yet one year

into our Poverty Reduction Strategy. We have made tremendous strides, as have

been indicated in previous statements.

It is not about, necessarily, patting government on the back, Mr. Speaker, it

is about recognizing that it is a ten year strategy. There is progress that has

to be made. We are making progress and as we make progress we will eliminate

some of the barriers and hopefully, raise people out of the level of poverty

that they are into.

This government, Mr. Speaker, is interested in moving forward, recognizing

the challenges that we have and we will incorporate those challenges into our

strategy as we move forward over the next nine years.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Mr. Speaker, no doubt, the poverty strategy was brought in

last year, but I say to the minister, this commitment was brought in, in the

Blue Book in 2003.

Close to 6 per cent of the people in this Province use food banks. This

entails approximately over 29,000 individuals, 41 per cent of them are children,

who use fifty-eight food banks in this Province.

I ask the minister: Does he think this is evidence of the success of his

government's Poverty Reduction Strategy? And, if not, can he tell this House

what they intend to do differently to address this unacceptable high number of

people who depend on food banks?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Mr. Speaker, this government has already committed $91

million toward our Poverty Reduction Strategy. We have done things like

elimination of schools fees. We have done things like providing school books for

children in our schools. We have increased the income support rates. We have

indexed them to the cost of living. We have put in special initiatives for

single mothers, mothers with new children, women's centres. There has been a

myriad of initiatives that we have done.

I will say, and I will continue to say, Mr. Speaker, that we do not believe

for a minute that we have addressed all of the initiatives that need to be done,

but it is a working document. It is a document that is in process and as new

things become available to us, new challenges - we become aware of them as a

government, we will address them. As has been said before, this is a ten year

strategy, we are in year one. We have made tremendous progress and we recognize

that we have more progress to make.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

We appreciate, on this side, the $91 million that is going to help the people

of this Province who are in need, but I say to the minister, after four years in

office, this past week we heard talk of a second soup kitchen opening up in

Corner Brook, right in the Premier's district or pretty close to it, Mr.

Speaker.

Given that the School Lunch Program and the Kids Eat Smart program and others

help feed our hungry children during the school season. Can the minister

indicate just how his Poverty Reduction Strategy will help feed those same

poverty-stricken children during the summer months?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Mr. Speaker, all of the initiatives with regard to the

Poverty Reduction Strategy are meant to try and address people who live in

poverty and people who face challenges.

With regard to the Kids Eat Smart Foundation, just as an example, as the

member is already aware the government of today has increased the amount of

funding that we provide to the Kids Eat Smart Foundation by $200,000, and I

believe another $50,000 was put into that strategy by the Department of Health

and Community Services as well, to increase their funding level to $750,000 from

the $500,000 that it has been in the past.

We will continue to work with our community based groups. A lot of the

initiatives that this government have announced have come from our community

based groups that we partner with and that we consult with. We will be

undertaking a consultation process in the future and we will continue to make

sure that the word we hear from the consultation process and from the people on

the ground are things that will be incorporated into our strategies.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister of Natural Resources in

reference to the new revised mandate of Newfoundland Hydro and the mandate of

the new energy corporation.

In the Hydro Quebec Act one of the objects of the corporation, in addition to

supplying power, is to pursue endeavours in energy conservation. The Act also

says, and I quote: The company may implement energy conservation programs. To

that end, it may grant technical or financial assistance.

My question for the Minister of Natural Resources is: Will the minister add

energy efficiency and conservation to the list of things that Newfoundland Hydro

and the new energy corporation will do as outlined in Bills 27 and 28?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I thank the hon. member for the question.

Two days ago in this House those two pieces of legislation received a third

and final passage after a briefing that was afforded to members of the

Opposition. We have to keep in mind, of course, that what we have here is the

creation of a new energy corporation. Mr. Speaker, one would think, as this

process evolves - and, at the same time it is the creation of a new corporation

- that energy conservation would be very much part of the thinking and mandate

of a new corporation that is envisaged by both Bills 27 and 28.

I would say to the hon. member, yes, I am sure Hydro officials and executives

from Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro will be very mindful of conservation

efforts and will take all steps to ensure that conservation practices are

protected, again for the benefit of all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

In that case, Mr. Speaker, my question is, I look first at what is happening

in a province like Quebec, where Hydro-Quebec and Quebec's energy efficiency

agency provide financial assistance for retrofits and energy saving technology.

Efficiency New Brunswick provides energy savings to consumers and has created

energy efficiency services in the province.

I ask the minister: Will this government set up an energy efficiency agency

as a separate Crown corporation, or as part of Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro,

that will assist consumers to adopt energy efficiency technology and facilitate

the growth of an energy efficiency services sector?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. OTTENHEIMER: My answer is similar to the first, Mr. Speaker.

Again, it is the mandate of the new hydro energy corporation as envisaged

under both bills, Bill 27 and Bill 28, to do what is in the best interests of

all Newfoundlanders and Labradorians. If that includes working with my

colleague, the Minister of Environment and Conservation, with respect to energy

efficiency, I feel quite confident in saying, Mr. Speaker, that will be done.

Again, this new corporation, its mandate is to move forward, to move forward

as we embark upon very significant megaprojects, again for the benefit of

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, and whatever can be done in the realm of

energy efficiency will be done, again, in the protection of the very people that

we have been elected to lead and to represent.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi has time for a brief

supplementary.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Minister of Natural Resources and the CEO of Hydro have been in the news

pitching green energy. Yet, Hydro was not deliberately given a mandate to invest

in energy efficiency initiatives in the bill, in Bill 27.

My question to the minister is: When will government use oil and gas revenues

on an energy efficiency program that will save consumers money, reduce demand

for dirty energy from Holyrood, and free up energy for new users?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. JACKMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Energy efficiency is certainly one of the key components of reducing energy

consumption. As I said here a couple of weeks ago to the member when she raised

a similar issue, we met with officials from New Brunswick to take a look at

their program. The Minister of Natural Resources and I have looked at how we can

incorporate that into our overall plan. I will just have to ask her to hang on

and see what is going to come out of it, but there definitely will be a

direction coming from this government in terms of retrofit and energy

efficiency.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

MR. BALL: My question is for the Minister of Health and Community

Services.

I would like to remind the minister of a quote that he made on July 29, 2002,

in a press release, in which he used a statistical projection that 12.5 per cent

of the population would be in the senior bracket by 2006. He went on to say that

letting the home support problem fester unaddressed is a recipe for disaster.

In light of the fact that our seniors now comprise a much higher percentage

of our population, and that the home support problem has not been addressed by

this Administration, I ask the minister: Does he still stand by his 2002

statement that this home support sector is heading for disaster?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, what I can tell the hon. member and members of

this House is that we still believe that a quality home support program is still

at the heart of the supports that we provide to an aging population. We believe

that the work that we have been doing in enhancing home support services, and

the investment that we have made year over year since we have been in

government, not only enhancing the capacity and building the capacity but

enhancing the salaries that we pay to home support workers, will, in fact,

enhance the program, but it needs to be coupled with some of the other

initiatives.

Some of the work that we have done in our long-term care and supportive

services strategy and some of the announcements we are about to make as we roll

out our healthy aging strategy, all together, if you fit it all together, it is

a reflection of this government's commitment to support an aging population,

to support their independence as long as we possibly can, to provide the

necessary supports that -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the minister now to complete his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

- provide the necessary supports to allow seniors to live in their homes,

independent, as long as they possibly can. That is the commitment we made in our

blueprint, that is the commitment we are working on today, and that is the

commitment we make to the seniors of this Province on a go-forward basis.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

MR. BALL: I certainly support the minister in saying that the seniors

should have the ability to live in their own homes as long as possible, given

the fact that home support workers are still working for - some are still

between $7 and $8 an hour and it is, I think, very insufficient.

Another concern that we are seeing in the home support sector is that many

times people have to travel to and from different clients' homes and there is

no transportation allowance provided for this.

I ask the minister: Will he consider today to provide a transportation

allowance as part of this benefit package to help address this issue with home

support workers?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

As a government, I think we have demonstrated very clearly over the last

three-and-a-half years that we have been re-evaluating the programs and services

that we provide. Any time we have an opportunity and we see an opportunity to

create an enhancement, to improve on, to build on, to enhance what we are

currently doing, we respond.

I just look at the track record. I ask the members opposite to look at the

last three years' budgets particularly. Look at the investment that we have

made in all aspects of health care.

I outlined in this House the other day that we, as a Province, in the last

two years have been some of the leaders in the increase and investment we have

made in health care. This year, $2.2 billion. If you look at the total overall

budget of this Province, that is a significant investment, and we continue to

grow our investment in health care, I say, Mr. Speaker. So, I say to the member

opposite, yes, we are prepared to look at -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister to complete his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: - ways in which we can enhance our services, whether it is

home support, long-term care facilities, acute care facilities, community-based

programs of any kind. We are committed to continuous quality improvement, I say,

Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

MR. BALL: Mr Speaker, the issue of professional shortages in our health

care system continues to be a major issue. Yesterday, the Minister of Health and

Community Services indicated that he is satisfied with the fact that we have the

highest number of nurses today than ever in our Province. Well, Mr. Speaker,

those numbers do not reflect the reality of what is required to deliver a

quality health care service.

Can the minister tell this House just what the real understaffing number is

for nurses in this Province?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I think if the member opposite were to check

Hansard, I think he would find my comment yesterday was that I was boasting the

fact that we had achieved those kinds of numbers. In fact, we had achieved the

same level - physicians, we have the highest number of physicians any time in

our history in this Province. What I also said, Mr. Speaker, if he recalls

correctly, I also indicated that we, too, had some concerns around some of the

issues of staffing in some locations. We, too, acknowledge that there are

occasional challenges with staffing. We, too, acknowledge that there will be

times, have been times in our history and I suspect there will be times in our

future, where we will have pockets of recruitment issues to deal with, whether

it is nursing, physician, Allied Health Professionals and many other disciplines

within our health system, I say, Mr. Speaker.

So, for the member to suggest that we are quite satisfied with the current

status, no, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the hon. minister now to complete his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: What we are committed to is continuing to build to improve

and to enhance, as I said a moment ago. So, I say, Mr. Speaker, yes, we are

pleased with the number of nurses we have. Do we want -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair recognizes the Member for Humber Valley.

MR. BALL: Mr. Speaker, the number is available. I did not hear it today

in this House but I know it is a major problem affecting the nurses in this

Province and I would certainly hope that as part of the resolution to the

problem that the minister would get that number. One of the problems in

retaining and recruiting nurses is a competitive benefits package. Soon nurses

in this Province could be the lowest paid in the country.

I ask the minister: With such a poor compensation benefits package, how can

you expect to attract and retain the nurses we need?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: I think it is important, Mr. Speaker, to listen to the words

of the member opposite because he has used two different words but he has used

them interchangeably, but they are two different things: salary and benefit

package. Salary is one thing. That is what you get on your pay cheque. That is

what you take home, but when we look at the benefit package, Mr. Speaker -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

MR. WISEMAN: When we look at the benefit package that we provide to our

health professionals, when we consider -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The Chair asks the hon. minister to complete his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, when we look at what we provide for nurses as a

part of that benefit package, when we look at annual leave, when we look at the

sick leave package, when we look at education leave, when we look at weekend

differential, shift differential, those sorts of things.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the minister to complete his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: I say, Mr. Speaker, a fine testimony to what this government

has done for nurses in this Province. The Premier this morning -

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Humber Valley.

MR. BALL: I would like to remind the minister, that it is not the

testimony they are looking for, it is the salary and the benefits package.

Mr. Speaker, not only are nurses understaffed and overworked, but we have

heard from other associations, including the Association of Allied Health

Professionals, and they are very concerned about the shortage of health

professionals in this Province, including psychologists, physiotherapists,

audiologists, speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists and

pharmacists. Obviously, our current package in not addressing the shortage of

health care professionals.

What are you prepared to do to solve this problem?

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. WISEMAN: Mr. Speaker, I indicated in the House yesterday in the

debate that, as a government, we have put in place, and have continued to work

with associations like the Allied Health Professionals and put in place for them

bursary programs. We have put in place financial incentives to assist them in

getting into educational programs.

The Government of Newfoundland and Labrador provides financial support to

Dalhousie University for occupation and physiotherapy students. We provided

bursary programs to allow us to attract many of those difficult to recruit

professions, I say, Mr. Speaker.

One of the things that is important, I listed to Carol Furlong this morning

on Open Line when she talked about some of the challenges her membership has

with recruiting. What she said, what was important is we are all working

together towards a solution, I say, Mr. Speaker. We are working with NAPE, we

are working with the Association of Allied Health Professionals, we are working

with the Nurses' Union, we are working with the physicians. All working

collectively trying to develop -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

I ask the minister to complete his answer.

MR. WISEMAN: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

- trying to develop an appropriate strategy to respond to some of the

challenges that we face today and will face tomorrow, because we want to ensure

that we have quality people in Newfoundland and Labrador.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair recognizes the hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse

au Clair. You have time for one question only.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

My question is for the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and Employment.

It was outlined earlier by government that there would be ten community youth

council coordinators hired in the Province for a term of up to one year to

promote youth programs under Human Resources, Labour and Employment. I

understand, Mr. Speaker, that six of those areas have now been designated. I am

wondering if the other four are going to be designated? I also understand there

has been no positions selected for the Northern Peninsula or for Labrador.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Human Resources, Labour and

Employment.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SKINNER: Mr. Speaker, I am not quite clear on the position that the

hon. member referred to. If she is referring to the Community Youth Network, I

am not sure if that is what she is referring to, there have been some decisions

made on that and I can certainly discuss that with the member later. I have to

honest and say that the position you referred to is not one that I am familiar

with.

MR. SPEAKER: The time allocated for Question Period has expired.

Presenting Reports by Standing and Special Committees.

Tabling of Documents.

Notices of Motions.

Notices of Motion

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. RIDEOUT: Just in case, I move pursuant to Standing Order 11, that

this House not adjourn on Monday, June 11, at 5:30 p.m. nor at 10:00 o'clock

on Monday, June 11. As I indicated, Your Honour, just in case.

MR. SPEAKER: The Chair notes that the hon. the minister gave notice. He

said he was moving but the Chair reads that as giving notice.

Further Notice of Motions?

Answers to Questions for Which Notice has been Given.

Petitions.

Petitions

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise today to present this petition on behalf of residents in my area. It

is asking for cellphone coverage in the areas between the Labrador Straits and

Cartwright, in particular.

Mr. Speaker, I presented a number of these petitions already. I think this

one has another 150 signatures. I think, all together, there has probably been

hundreds of people who have signed these particular petitions in that area. The

reason for that being of course, as you know, there are long stretches of road

in that region between L'Anse-au-Loup and Red Bay, between Red Bay and Lodge

Bay, and especially between Port Hope Simpson and Cartwright, where there isn't

any adequate cellphone coverage. People often find themselves in a position on

that highway where they become stranded and have no communication contact.

We have discussed with Aliant and have made representation to Aliant to

provide cellphone services in that area, and in fact, Mr. Speaker, were asked to

submit a business case to them in terms of providing that service. They did

agree, at one point, on a business case, to provide the service in the Labrador

Straits area, although it only reaches into certain communities. However, the

business case that was put forward for the rest of the region was rejected and

is deemed to be a cost that is not acceptable for Aliant right now to install

that service.

What these petitioners are asking is that the government provide the

necessary subsidy in terms of partnering with a communications company to

provide that cellphone service in the area, whether that becomes Aliant, that is

now the existing provider, or some other company. What they are looking for, Mr.

Speaker, is to have a line that will allow them to be able to access someone in

a time of need. I don't have to tell you that once you are driving over

hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kilometres of gravel road with no

communities in between, you often find yourself in a situation where you end up

in snow storms, you end up stuck out in weather and not able to make it to the

next community, you end up having problems on the road, either having you tires

damaged or some other reason, and you don't have any way to reach anyone.

Mr. Speaker, there are a number of accidents that have happened on that

particular stretch of road as well, and they haven't been able to make any

contact. I know because I was in accidents myself on that road and I wasn't

able to contact anyone and just had to wait until someone came along to give you

some help or some assistance.

Mr. Speaker, this is an important issue for the people in that particular

area. It is a very important issue, because it is an issue upon which peoples'

lives depend. I think we have all heard of situations where -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will just clue up my comments now.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MS JONES: We have all heard of cases where people have been in dangerous

situations and cellphones have certainly allowed them to communicate with

someone outside in an instance that probably saved their lives.

I know, in my own district, just off the Coast of Forteau, there was a

situation where a group of seal hunters were out sealing and got stuck in foggy

weather and in ice, and, Mr. Speaker, had damage done to their boat and had to

abandon their boat and stay on an ice pan. Only for the fact that they had a

cellphone to contact someone on shore, to come out and rescue them, it could

have been a terrible tragedy, Mr. Speaker. Because they had that access to a

telephone and were able to let someone know what was happening, they were

rescued by local people in the area.

Mr. Speaker, I think that cellphone coverage is important in this particular

region of the Province, primarily in that northern area where there are all

kinds of dangers that people encounter on that highway, especially in the winter

months, in heavy weather and snow and ice, and I think that government should

listen to their request and seriously consider that issue and see if there is

something they can do to put cellphones into that area.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Bellevue.

MR. BARRETT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I rise in this House today to present a petition on behalf of a couple of

Terrenceville, Swift Current and Garden Cove, North Harbour, Arnold's Cove,

and that area there. There are two concerns with regard to the road

infrastructure within the District of Bellevue, and the prayer of the petition

is:

WHEREAS the

section of the road to Terrenceville referred to as "long

grade" is in disrepair and presents a safety hazard; and

WHEREAS the road from the Terrenceville intersection is also in deplorable

condition and in need of significant repairs; and

WHEREAS these roads are important transportation routes used to transport

school children and other traffic; and

WHEREAS the

section of the main Burin Peninsula Highway, particularly the

section going through Swift Current, and from Goobies to Swift Current, is in

need of serious repair;

WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, call upon all Members of the

House of Assembly to urge government to find the necessary funds to repair these

roads.

And as in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.

Mr. Speaker, the first part of this petition here, when we talk about the

"long grade" going down into Terrenceville, it is a very, very high

embankment. As a matter of fact, right now, the traffic going down on this

particular road, to prevent themselves from falling over the bank, the traffic

itself, the vehicular traffic, is going sideways down over the bank and they

have to go on the inside of the road to make sure the school bus doesn't tip

over. The school bus actually has to go on the inside of the road, so that the

school bus will not tip down over the grade. That is how bad the grade is, on

this particular

section of the highway.

Mr. Speaker, this government and the school board, last year, closed the

and they promised that they would repair the roads, and make sure that these

on a school bus - five-year-old kids riding on a school bus, and they are riding

on roads that are treacherous. It is an accident about to happen, and this

government is just sitting back and doing nothing about it whatsoever.

Also, Mr. Speaker, the

section of the road from Swift Current to Goobies -

this government, when they got elected, decided that they were going to ignore

the Burin Peninsula. There has not been a cent of money, except for storm damage

and some bridge work done on the Burin Peninsula Highway, in the last four

years. The road from Goobies to Swift Current is in deplorable condition. As a

matter of fact, there have been serious accidents. There have been people killed

on this particular

section of the highway. The highway is in deplorable

condition

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. BARRETT: I call upon the government and the Minister of Works,

Services and Transportation - we hear a lot about how much money is being spent

on roadwork in the Province. I guess it is just a fabrication, really, because

it is not accurate. We have the report here of the consolidated funds of the

Province. As a matter of fact, there has been a 55 per cent decrease, from a

high of $80.4 million in 2002 to a low of $36 million in 2005, on roads in our

Province. Since this government got elected, there has been less money spent on

highways.

We hear them talking, on the other side, all the time about the big fortune

they are spending on highways. In the year 2002, when I was the Minister of

Works, Services and Transportation, there was $80.4 million spent on our roads

within the Province. We are talking about the main roads, like the Burin

Peninsula. We are not talking about a byroad going to a small community. The

Burin Peninsula is one of the major economic and social regions of this

Province, and we have a government right now that is ignoring completely the

Burin Peninsula of this Province.

So, I am calling upon the government to move immediately and allocate money

to do the work on the Burin Peninsula Highway and make sure that this grade,

Harbour East and Grand Le Pierre to Terrenceville, is corrected immediately.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Bank.

MS FOOTE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, want to speak to the petition with respect to the condition of the

roads on the Burin Peninsula, but specifically today the road leading to

Terrenceville, and certainly that part of the Burin Peninsula Highway that is

around Swift Current.

The conditions there, I have to say, because I have had the chance to travel

down to Terrenceville, I can tell you that what my colleague from Bellevue says

is absolutely correct. The condition of the road there is treacherous for

anyone, not just for people who are travelling on a school bus, our children,

but certainly for people who have to leave Terrenceville and travel to other

parts of this Province. It is dangerous, and while you might think it is okay on

a fine day, I call tell you, when the weather conditions are such as they are -

we know in Newfoundland and Labrador you can expect to see the weather change,

expect four seasons in one day, Mr. Speaker - the conditions are such that

certainly they are not amenable to having the roads the way they are leading to

Terrenceville.

The part of the Burin Peninsula Highway around Swift Current, again, I travel

that all the time. I spend a lot of time, as you would appreciate, on the Burin

Peninsula, as the MHA for the District of Grand Bank. Again, the conditions

there are such that I cannot imagine anyone in authority ever travelling that

and not just stopping and saying there is something we have to do about the

conditions on the Burin Peninsula Highway.

As my colleague from Bellevue has said, it is a major, major part of our road

system. It is one of the trunk roads off the Trans-Canada. You know, it is

really important for the residents who live on the Burin Peninsula but it is

also important for the tourists. We are always speaking about how important the

tourism industry is to our Province, and that it is, in fact, one of those

industries that we are trying to grow and promote. At the same time, how can we

expect tourists to even want to travel over roads that are in this condition? I

would expect that once they turn down the Burin Peninsula Highway, because of

the neglect by this government, many of them will just say: That is enough of

this. I cannot take a chance on going down over this highway, going down into

Terrenceville - one of the prettiest, prettiest places in Newfoundland and

Labrador.

I would expect that anyone going down there would have to say: No, I am going

to turn around and go back because it is too dangerous. I am here on vacation. I

am here for a holiday. I am not here to take my life in my hands.

On the Burin Peninsula Highway, around Swift Current and other parts of the

Burin Peninsula Highway, we as well have those conditions that would make people

think twice about going down the Burin Peninsula Highway and going to see what

the Burin Peninsula has to offer, which is a great deal for any tourist coming

to Newfoundland and Labrador.

Mr. Speaker, the conditions of the road are such that I would encourage the

Minister of Transportation to make it a point to go down there, because it is

one thing to have us stand up here and talk about it -

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

MS FOOTE: Just enough to clue up, Mr. Speaker?

AN HON. MEMBER: By leave.

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MS FOOTE: Thank you.

I would encourage the Minister of Transportation to go down there. We can

stand up here and talk about it, and present petitions on behalf of the people

on the Burin Peninsula, but until, I think, he sees it first-hand, he is

probably just going to, you know, say: Well, that is okay. I will deal with it

when I can deal with it. I am emphasizing today how serious the condition is,

certainly going down into Terrenceville. I would encourage the government,

through the minister, to have a look at that.

On the Burin Peninsula itself, particularly around Swift Current in the first

instance, because that is where the petition is from, representing the people

who live in that area, but for all of the Burin Peninsula, leading right down,

right around the boot, I think it is time that the government took their job

seriously and put some money into that trunk road, which is a major, major part

of our road system in Newfoundland and Labrador.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.

MR. BUTLER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I, too, want to present a petition on behalf of the area residents of this

Province with regard to the closing of the road maintenance depots and the lack

of maintenance thereof in certain areas of our Province.

I want to speak, in particular, to the area of the District of Port de Grave.

Even though, Mr. Speaker, I know there was an announcement made last week in

conjunction with my hon. colleague from Carbonear-Harbour Grace, that we are

going to get a grand total this year of somewhere in the vicinity of $700,000.

We have seen all the reports coming out on the road work throughout this

Province, $2 million and $3 million for each area, but we are going to share our

$700,000. We are trying to find out, to be honest with you, where it is going to

be used.

MR. SWEENEY: The white line or yellow line?

MR. BUTLER: My hon. colleague said he is wondering if it is going to be

used to put the yellow or the while line on the road.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, on a more serious note, there are several issues I want

to bring forward. Hopefully, government will take a look at them and see that

they can be considered this year, whether it is through the funding that is

going to be provided under this amount of money or maybe through some of the

road maintenance programs.

I have two particular roads. I know they are class 4 roads, but on those

roads there are seven or eight major businesses, farmers, both blueberry and

vegetable crop, and other people who have acreage in there where they grow hay

for their animals. Those roads are becoming in a deplorable condition. They are

not asking for them to be paved, Mr. Speaker, all they want is a grader to go

in, in the spring and again in the fall, to bring the roads up to a reasonable

level.

Another area, the same thing. A dirt road, lighthouse road in Port de Grave.

This is not a class 4 road. It is a road that is in the inventory of this

department and people are just asking that they would go and grade that road and

probably bring it up to a little better standard.

As my hon. colleague from Carbonear mentioned about the lines on the road.

All I hope is that the department will get out this year and get those lines

done sooner than they did last year. The snow was almost on the ground when we

finally got them to do the roads in the Bryants Cove and Upper Island Cove and

Bishop's Cove area. Through Bay Roberts, I have to say, I guess is one of the

most treacherous pieces of road in this Province. Today, there is very little

lines there and people just cannot see. It is bad enough when the lines are

there, let alone with no lines on them.

Mr. Speaker, having said that, I know there is going to be some paving done

in Spaniard's Bay this year and hopefully that will correct some of the

problems. I call upon the minister in the department - they are aware of those

situations - to just ask them if they would consider those, as well as probably

coming up with some extra funding this year for the New Harbour Barrens road,

which was started two years ago. This year, they totally cut off the funding. It

is being put in communities in different areas because it is an election year,

and no other reason, Mr. Speaker. That road is getting closer to the District of

Port de Grave. It is a link between the two areas, and I ask government to

intercede and see that some funding can be used there.

Thank you very much.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Opposition House Leader.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I appreciate an opportunity to present a petition on behalf of the residents

of the Burgeo & LaPoile area. Actually, not only Burgeo & LaPoile, some

of them come from the Codroy Valley area as well. It concerns the provincial

parks. I did it last week and, of course, I did not get any response from

government, so they asked if I would do it again. I almost feel like it is a

repeat of the porta-potty situation we had in Ramea last fall. In this case, it

concerns the parks and the use of our parks.

The minister has been out this week, the Minister of Environment and

Conservation, proclaiming this is Environment Week, make use of our environment,

treat it with respect, do it safely and so on. This is exactly what this

petition is about. The provincial parks are part of our environment. Yet, in

order to use them this government, in the opinion of these petitioners, are

continuing to gouge people for using them.

For example, to go to J.T. Cheeseman Park now, which is about five miles

outside of Port aux Basques - it is quite common in that area. People who work

all week long, that is the big thing in the summertime, they go up to Cheeseman

Park and spend the weekend. They cannot do it anymore now unless they call a

Quebec firm and pay $10.60 to make a reservation. In fact, a lot of people,

because they do not have the money to travel all over the Province or all over

the country, that is where they spent their annual two-week vacation. Lo and

behold, they cannot even do that anymore now on the one reservation $10.60 fee,

because you can only make a reservation in a provincial park in this Province

right now for up to seven days.

So, if you take your family to the park in Port aux Basques, Cheeseman, you

set up on your site, you have already paid your $10.60, meanwhile you pay for

all of your firewood or whatever else, too - everything you get now is user pay,

no question about it. God forbid. On top of that now, you are there seven days,

you have to up and move from your campsite because you have no guarantee you can

even stay there for the two-week period of your vacation. Then you have to pay

another $10.60. Now, that might seem minuscule to some people. Needless to say,

it grates everybody in this Province, bar none, that we are paying the $10.60 to

reserve a spot in our provincial park to a Quebec company. There is nobody, not

a government member, not an Opposition member who favours that. The fact that we

have students looking for summer jobs and everything else, and we have to pay

$10.60 to book a reservation in our park. Now that galls anybody. Besides that,

the little practicality pieces about, you can't even do it for two weeks, you

have to pay another $10.60 in order to stay on your site for week two - you have

to call in and do that. You can't go to your park administrator, for example,

while you are there and say, oh, by the way, Jack, I am going to stay on for two

weeks. Okay if I stay on this site? Apparently, he has no control over it. That

is all managed by the call centre. Can you imagine!

Then he has to up stakes now. Come Tuesday morning when his week is up he has

to up stakes and take everything out of site 21 and lug it all down to Site 42.

Meanwhile, he had to call Quebec to find out that it was Site 42 he was going

to. Meanwhile, buddy says, thank you very much, give me your credit card. I will

just charge you $10.60 to move.

MR. SPEAKER: Order, please!

The hon. member's allotted time has expired.

MR. PARSONS: Thank you.

Absolutely unfair, Mr. Speaker! Just a moment to clue up here?

MR. SPEAKER: Leave has been granted.

MR. PARSONS: Absolutely unfair! The government has to take a look at

this. This is absolutely reprehensible for the people of this Province.

Thank you very much.

MR. SPEAKER: Orders of the day.

Orders of the Day

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Government House Leader.

MR. RIDEOUT: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

At this time, I would like to call Order 6, second reading of a bill,

An Act

To Amend The Highway Traffic Act, Bill 23.

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded that Bill 23,

An Act To Amend The

Highway Traffic Act, be now read a second time.

The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS WHALEN: Mr. Speaker, I am proud today to stand in this House and open

debate on Bill 23, which will amend the Highway Traffic Act to include the

mandatory requirement for booster seats.

We have taken considerable time and effort to examine this issue closely,

because quite frankly, Mr. Speaker, out children's safety is our main

priority. Much has changed since the current seat belt and child restraint

legislation came into effect in this Province in 1982. Over the last few years

awareness of the need for booster seats for a child over forty pounds and over

five years old has been growing. In September, 2004, the Canadian Council of

Motor Transport Administrators, a senior federal-provincial and territorial

advisory group that we are a part of, adopted recommendations known as the

national occupant restraint program. The use of booster seats is part of that

recommended safety program. Since then, three other provinces have used this

model to develop their own legislation, Quebec, Ontario and Nova Scotia. Today

we are doing the very same thing.

Mr. Speaker, this legislation will require all children age eight and under

who weight between eighteen and thirty-seven kilograms which is roughly forty

and eighty pounds, and who are less than 145 centimeters or four feet nine

inches tall, to be in a booster seat while they are being transported in a

vehicle, excluding buses, which do not have seat belts.

What makes this legislation so important is that current seat belt restraints

in passenger vehicles are designed for adult bodies. This puts smaller children

at risk for serious injury in vulnerable body regions such as the neck,

shoulder, abdomen, and the groin and hip region, if they have not reached a

given weight or height.

Mr. Speaker, when a child is restrained properly in a booster seat which is

appropriate to their height and weight they are less likely to suffer serious

injury or to die in the event of a crash. The cost of a booster seat varies,

depending on the type of model, but they start between $25 and $35, which, I say

to my hon. colleagues, is less than the cost of a single tank of gas for many of

us. As well, a booster seat will fit a child for several years as they grow.

I am sure that parents and guardians will view booster seats as being equally

as important as infant and child car seats, which are already a requirement,

especially once they are aware of the risk of injury their child could face if

they are not placed in a properly installed booster seat.

To that end, in co-operation with the Department of Health and Community

Services, we will be conducting a public awareness campaign to inform parents,

guardians and other caregivers about the benefit of booster seats.

While these new requirements will be brought into effect in July 2008, we

would encourage all parents, caregivers and other drivers transporting children

to secure these children in booster seats as soon as possible.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge, in particular, the Newfoundland and

Labrador Public Health Association, the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical

Association, the Association of Registered Nurses of Newfoundland and Labrador,

and the non-profit organization, Kids In Safe Seats, for their support and

encouragement on this important initiative.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Carbonear-Harbour Grace.

MR. SWEENEY: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would like to stand and say a few words this afternoon on Bill 23.

I understand the intent of the bill is to provide safe passage for our young

children in the Province. I see the rationale going up as far as age eight, and

I think it was ninety kilograms, in that process. Minister, we on this side of

the House concur with this for the protection of our children but there is

something I have to say.

I am dealing with a very troublesome situation today in my district, of 130

people not sure where their next dollar is coming from, and an increasing number

of crab plant workers from other areas, with small children, who are in contact

with our offices, who are not sure if they are going to qualify for any benefits

this year, or even get their amount of work. Minister, I will say that this is a

costly venture, especially for one lady I know who has three children under the

age of eight. For that family, right now, to go out and buy three booster seats

would certainly add a lot of difficulty to that family circumstance.

I certainly understand, Minister, where I would be if I had to face the

difference between buying groceries, booster seats, or paying my light bill. I

understand, Minister, you will probably come back and say that is July 1, 2008,

but still, when the future is bleak for the next little while, for the next

twelve months or so, that is little consolation.

I would like to say to the minister and the government: Why not create some

kind of a program that would help subsidize low-income families or people who

are in dire circumstances to acquire these seats for the protection of their

children? Again, it is nice to come up with these rules and these laws, and

whatever we want to call them, but when it comes down to finding the money and

the means for families to be able to acquire these particular seats it is a

different story.

Another suggestion I would have for the minister is to maybe eliminate the

sales tax on those seats, to make it easier for families to go out and purchase

them to protect their loved ones.

Minister, without getting political here, the condition of our highways right

now is creating a very great hardship on a lot of families with regard to

keeping their cars on the road - broken struts and so on, roads not being

repaired. My colleague was up a few minutes ago talking about the $700,000 that

was going to be put between our two districts. Well, $700,000 would not fill the

potholes in some of the streets in my district alone. I look at Harvey Street in

Harbour Grace, the deplorable condition that is in, and Bristol's Hope.

Minister, it is expensive to travel our highways, and for people with low

incomes - and anybody, I guess, with any income - to take two or three children

out in the car and travel our highway for the summer - the Minister of Tourism

has a brochure out this week talking about stay at home and travel the Province.

Well, that is great, but if you have to come up with probably $300 for these

booster seats for three children to sit in your car, it is certainly going to

cut your vacation short.

Couple that, Minister, with high fuel costs in this Province. The price of

fuel dropped today, I think, about four cents a litre, and I would suggest it is

only going to be a short period of time and it is going to go back up again.

Minister, protecting our children is of tantamount importance to us here in

this Province, but in the same boat, I think we should also look at some of the

social and economic needs that these families might experience in trying to get

these seats in place. Maybe having these seats in the car we could lobby our

insurance companies to drop some of their rates for people with small children

with these seats, to give a 5 per cent discount as they do sometimes in an

instance of a non-smoking home, or homes protected by smoke detectors and carbon

monoxide detectors, or if it is a non-smoking family, your rates will be lower.

I think there should be a lot of thought go into this and some help from the

government to lobby some of these agencies to help the poor of our Province.

Speaking of insurance, minister, I would suggest that maybe the 15 per cent

insurance tax that this government is currently charging people to insure their

vehicles, if we had that reduced it would go a long way to providing some means

to help some people purchase these booster seats. Minister, if you would

consider that - I do not think the members on this side of the House have any

great objection to providing a law to make our highways safer for our children

and to make the cars in which they ride safer. Again, I have to say that a law

is only as good as the enforcement that goes with it.

We have a cellphone law in this Province. That is not being enforced. That is

not being upheld. Every second person on the highway right now has a cellphone

stuck to their ear. I travel the highway everyday. I commute from Carbonear to

St. John's and I could literally count, I would say, hundreds of people with a

cellphone stuck to their ear. So, again, enforcement - making a law for somebody

to put a child in a seat is no good unless that law is enforced and that child

is put in the seat.

Minister, I would like to say to you, I have offered a few suggestions there;

a subsidy for the seats for families, or eliminate the sales tax, or both, I

think would go a long way to ensuring the better safety of the children of this

Province.

Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the time that I have had this afternoon to

comment on this and, minister, I hope you pass these comments along to your

colleagues in Cabinet and the Minister of Finance and see if there is something

we can do to make this law more practical and more acceptable to the people out

there and more useable.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Grand Falls-Buchans.

MS THISTLE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am delighted actually to speak to Bill 23 today,

An Act To Amend The

Highway Traffic Act.

I can relate to the issue here in this bill because I have four

grandchildren. It was only a few months ago that I went out and bought two

booster seats. I was surprised at the regulations on the booster seats. They

actually would cover children up to ninety pounds, the ones that I bought. I

thought to myself, too, you know that is a good thing.

I learned something last week, because when you have not had young children

for a while yourself, as parents, I did not realize because - I have a couple of

grandchildren now, one is seven and the other one is five, and I did not realize

when you actually sat them in your backseat without a booster seat and you put

the seat belt on them, that you had to actually take the seat belt and flick it

until it went into position. Because the weight of the child, in case of an

accident, would throw a child to the front seat or wherever, but if you actually

take the seat belt and you flick it until it snaps, then the child is actually

in a snug position with just a seat belt on. I did not know that until my

daughter and daughter-in-law told me.

Until next year, until this becomes law, I would say it would be a good piece

of public education to let parents or guardians or grandparents whatever, know

just this simple procedure to ensure the safety of a child riding in a vehicle

who is not even in a booster seat. For those in a booster seat, I expect you

would have to do the same thing because there is a lot of flexibility on a seat

belt and if you do not ensure - with an adult it is a different matter. If we

have a loose seat belt on, if there is a sudden change or if there is an

accident or whatever, automatically the seat belt will come tight on an adult

because of our weight, but it does not occur with a small child. They do not

have the weight for that to happen. That is a key feature that I learned myself

last week and with four grandchildren it is a very important one. I think this

is a good move by government.

I was watching last week when the RCMP reported on an accident, a fatality in

our Province, and they stated that had the people been wearing a seat belt it

would probably be a different story. First when seat belts were brought in as

legislation in our Province we had the highest user per capita across the

country. We had the highest user per capita across the country for seat belts,

but that has dwindled over the past few years. It seems people are taking a

different attitude now towards seat belt usage. That has to be reinforced again,

because lots of times we are hearing the RNC and the RCMP, whenever they are

asked to report on fatalities around our Province, they will always add that

seat belt usage should have been used.

In fact, they are saying that with traffic fines and tickets there are a

multitude of tickets passed out to people who do not wear seat belts. We need to

begin, and probably the minister, in her capacity as Minister of Government

Services, needs to launch, I think, an education program again, because it has

become a real problem in our Province. We need to talk about seat belt usage. We

need more than road signs on the highway. We need it in our living rooms, when

we are watching the news in the nighttime. We need a better education program on

that.

I do agree with my colleague, the Member for Carbonear-Harbour Grace, that it

is going to be an additional cost, for certain, bringing in this new program. I

remember first when bicycle helmets were introduced. The Town of Grand

Falls-Windsor, with their corporate sponsors, provided free helmets for young

bikers, originally, when bicycling helmets were brought in as a safety measure.

There has to be some way that you can probably partner with those producing

those booster seats to provide some kind of a subsidy, a discount, or something

like that to make sure that booster seats will actually be used.

You also have to consider the problem of the actual room in the vehicle, too;

because, if you put three booster seats in a small compact vehicle it is going

to be cramped quarters. You are going to find that children are going to be

fighting, throwing things at each other, and they are going to be irritated and

so on. Just by bringing in a small measure like that, having to put three

booster seats, probably, in the back seat of a small compact car, is going to

make a difference. It is going to make a difference, especially with snowsuits

on and heavy clothes in the winter.

It might have to be that a family with more than three children might have to

move up to a bigger vehicle. So, you might start out thinking that booster seats

is not a big expense, it is only in the area of $30 or $40, but it might cause,

through the implementation, for some families to have to actually move up to a

bigger vehicle that would cause more money that way.

I am sure that anyone who stands in this House will agree that anything that

can be done to promote and keep our children safe, there is not going to be

anybody against it. In bringing in change like this, when it comes to safety -

and I know, too, that someone called me today and asked me a question. They

asked me if Medic Alert bracelets were going to be provided for school-aged

children. Is this a government program? I said: I have not heard it announced

yet.

That is another issue that government needs to look at, Medic Alert bracelets

for children attending school, particularly elementary and primary grades, if

that could be provided. We need to do everything we can to keep our young people

safe, and this is one more step.

I would certainly agree with this legislation, and I would like for the

minister to take into account the suggestions that have been made by other

speakers here this afternoon. You have a whole year to bring it in. You need to

develop a proper education piece and you need to partner with those producing

and manufacturing booster seats and see if you can come up with some way to

lessen the cost for families.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER (Fitzgerald): Order, please!

The hon. the Member for Signal Hill-Quidi Vidi.

MS MICHAEL: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

I am happy to stand and speak to this bill, and in support of the bill.

I have some comments that I hope will be helpful, but obviously I think this

is a need. It is a need that has been identified by many groups for several

years now. I notice that the minister, in her introduction, did name the various

groups that they have been in consultation with. I am very glad to know that

consultation happened, and that the government has taken some steps towards some

of the recommendations from groups like Kids In Safe Seats and the Newfoundland

and Labrador Public Health Association, et cetera, the various other groups that

she named.

I, too, have a concern about trying to reduce the cost factor for families,

knowing that, in a lot of cases, it is going to mean especially more than one

booster seat. If you have just two years between children, you can easily have

two or three children needing booster seats all at the same time, and they are

not cheap.

I notice that in Ontario, Ontario has taken steps to remove the provincial

sales tax on booster seats, and they have also removed them on child and infant

seats. I think they removed the tax on child and infant seats first and then, in

2005, Ontario removed the provincial sales tax on the booster seats.

I think one thing that we could do to help parents is the removal of the

sales tax on the booster child and infant seats, all of them. I think it is

particularly important outside, or in rural areas outside of the major urban

areas, but in rural areas where car use is so essential, where people have to

use their car so much for getting around, even just for going to the store to

get milk sometimes. The booster seats are essential. Helping families with the

cost by removing the sales tax, I think, would be one way to deal with that, and

I do encourage the government to think about doing that.

It is hard to know what to say when you think of a family maybe having to

have three booster seats. I certainly would not want it to lower our birth rate,

at the rate that we are going with our birth rate. I think that it is an issue.

If somebody does have three, there are some cars that would not hold three

booster seats in the back seat. That is a reality, so it is an issue; however, I

do not think that we can stop putting this law in place, especially when you

read a statistic like this, that the Kids in Safe Seats organization put out in

April, that the death rate for children in this country between the age of five

and nine years old in motor vehicle collisions has not dropped in over ten

years. That is a pretty serious statistic. We have to bring down the number of

children who are dying in motor vehicle accidents.

The other statistic that goes with that one is that almost 50 per cent of the

deaths in children involved in motor vehicle collisions are children who should

be in booster seats. Almost 50 per cent of the deaths have been because children

have not been in booster seats.

In light of that statistic, I think we have to try to make this work. I

really would encourage government, as I have said already, to help families by

removing the provincial sales tax, as has been done in Ontario, for example. I

am assuming that we could only remove the provincial part of the HST. I am not

really perfectly sure how our tax system works when we want to reduce HST or

remove HST. I would like to see all the 15 per cent removed. If we can do that,

that is what I would like to see, not just the provincial part of the HST.

There are a couple of things in the Act that I would just like to comment on

or that bring up some thoughts, I guess. Before I do that, the minister also

mentioned that there will be a public awareness campaign program, and I think

that is absolutely essential. The program, I think, has to be a wide one. I don't

think it can just be notices in papers. I think maybe we need householders that

will have detailed pictures that show how the booster seats work and how the

safety belts work with booster seats; television ads that actually show the

seats being used and how a child is put in the seat; posters with pictures on

them that could be all over the place in public places showing how things should

be done. I think when it comes to this kind of thing a picture does speak much

more loudly than written word. Having these images everywhere that we go as the

public, I think will be very important. I hope that adequate money is in the

Budget for doing a really wide public awareness program, as the minister

indicated she will be doing.

One of the things in the legislation that I just would like to comment on is

the

section 2(5) that says, certain requirements do not apply to the transport

of a child described in that paragraph, paragraph (2)(c), in a bus or school bus

that has not been equipped with a seat belt assembly. I guess, that just begs

some comment on the need for seat belts in school buses. I know that there is a

lot of discussion on that in different parts of this country. I know there are

different ways of looking at it. Not everybody is on the same word with regard

to the efficacy of seat belts in school buses. However, some recent accidents in

Canada have indicated that safety belts in school bus accidents could have saved

lives.

I would like to see the government continue pushing this discussion and

meeting with the organizations that are concerned about child safety, meeting

with other experts, getting the feedback from other experts in Canada, and

really look at what it would mean to have seat belts in our school buses, to

have it mandatory.

I know some of the implications - it is not just economic - the refitting of

buses. Some buses cannot even be refitted, but a program could be started. I do

acknowledge that there are different points of view on this from experts. Not

all experts are agreed, but I would like to see the discussion going on here in

our Province and I would encourage the minister to help with that discussion.

The recognition in this document that some school buses are equipped with the

assembly, to me, begs that question of: Should we not have it mandatory in

Newfoundland and Labrador?

I think they are the comments that I wanted to make, Mr. Speaker. I am happy

to support this, and I know that the minister will be very thoughtful in the

ongoing work that will flow from the changes that are being made.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: If the hon. the Minister of Government Services speaks now

she will close debate on Bill 23,

An Act To Amend The Highway Traffic Act.

The hon. the Minister of Government Services.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MS WHALEN: Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my hon. colleagues for their

input and suggestions in this bill.

I want to say to my hon. colleague also, she talked about the school bus with

no seat belts. In fact, there have been new guidelines from Transport Canada, as

of April 1, 2007, that will require some seat belts in school buses.

Also, I want to say that we are indeed going to be doing a public awareness

campaign in conjunction with community health. We will be working with those

people.

This will come into effect in 2008. We will give parents an opportunity to be

prepared for this legislation.

You know, you cannot put a price tag on our children's safety. I have to

say that our main priority is our children's safety.

On that note, I would like to move second reading of this bill, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you.

MR. SPEAKER: Is it the pleasure of the House that the said bill, Bill 23,

be now read a second time?

All those in favour, aye'.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Aye.

MR. SPEAKER: All those against, nay'.

Carried.

CLERK: A bill,

An Act To Amend The Highway Traffic Act. (Bill 23)

MR. SPEAKER: This bill has now been read a second time.

When shall this bill be referred to a Committee of the Whole House?

Now? Tomorrow?

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Later today, Mr. Speaker.

MR. SPEAKER: Presently.

On motion, a bill, "An Act To Amend The Highway Traffic Act," read

a second time, ordered referred to a Committee of the Whole House presently, by

leave. (Bill 23)

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Acting Government House Leader.

MR. OTTENHEIMER: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Order 4, second reading of a bill,

An Act Respecting Safer Communities And

Neighbourhoods. (Bill 9)

MR. SPEAKER: It is moved and seconded that Bill 9, entitled,

An Act

Respecting Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods, be now read a second time.

Motion, second reading of a bill, "An Act Respecting Safer Communities

And Neighbourhoods." (Bill 9)

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Minister of Justice.

MR. T. OSBORNE: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Residents want to feel safe in their own communities, in their neighbourhoods,

and the objective of this legislation is to establish a mechanism for government

to respond to complaints about targeted activities whereby residents feel unsafe

in their communities. We have seen several examples lately of grow ops,

marijuana operations and so on, in this Province. There have been a number of

busts of grow ops in the Province just in the past two weeks alone.

This particular piece of legislation will directly affect the activities that

adversely affect or harm a neighbourhood. It uses a civil law process to

suppress nuisances and to promote peaceful and safe communities and

neighbourhoods.

There are several features within this piece of legislation that make it more

effective than other approaches in ridding communities of targeted activities.

One of those is to address the revolving door rather than just removing an

individual from a residence and allowing an activity to continue at a residence

simply because police have not concluded an investigation on other residents

within a particular residence and so on.

Having said that, this particular piece of legislation does not deal with

criminal law. It does not deal with criminal activities. It deals with targeted

activities and ensuring safer communities and safer neighbourhoods. It also

provides immediate results in terms of shutting down problem locations because

of targeted activities.

In shutting down a location, I want to give an assurance that every

reasonable effort would be made to resolve the complaint informally. Every

effort will be made to deal with an informal process, alternative processes, to

speaking with the individual that is in question to identify and address the

issues that were uncovered as a result of an investigation by the investigators

and try to curb that activity through written correspondence to the individuals

long before a closure order is sought through the courts.

Experiences in other provinces, in fact, have shown that almost all incidents

are resolved through this informal process. If a property owner or the tenants

choose not to comply with the informal process and a co-operative process, the

investigation unit may apply to the court for a community safety order or a

closure order.

Again, Mr. Speaker, that is done as a last resort. The test for obtaining a

community safety order is that the property has to be habitually used for the

targeted activity, has to be creating an adverse effect on the neighbourhood or

community. As well, Mr. Speaker, a judge would have to look at whether or not,

and take into consideration whether or not, accommodations are available to

innocent occupants of a residence. That particular part of it is being put in

place as a result of an amendment that I am proposing to bring in, in third

reading, to give added protection to innocent individuals who may be affected as

a result of a targeted activity within a residence.

If a matter does proceed to court, the investigator acts as the complainant

as well, so there is protection to complainants who bring issues to an

investigator or the safer communities and neighbourhoods investigative division.

These individuals who bring a complaint would be protected, because any evidence

that may identify the person who made the original complaint is kept

confidential unless, of course, Mr. Speaker - and I will say that no

complainant, without their consent, will be identified to any other person, a

court, an institution, local authorities or law enforcement agencies. There is

protection and confidentially to a complainant as well. Having said this, Mr.

Speaker, I want to say: unless, of course, a complaint is frivolous or

vexatious. Then there is also within this legislation components to ensure the

protection of an innocent individual from a frivolous or vexatious complaint.

There are measures there to ensure that individuals who are innocent are

protected in these circumstances as well.

Removing persons from a property, as I have said, is a last resort. The

legislation provides due process to the property owners directly affected by an

order under this legislation.

One of the areas that we are looking to put an amendment in third reading or

committee on this, as well, is an amendment to extend that due process to

residents. It is not only landlords or building owners who would have the

protection of due process, it would also be the residents of the property as

well.

This legislation is designed to improve public safety in all of our

communities. The legislation is intended to deal with one house at a time. There

has been some concern raised by some stakeholders who we have consulted with,

that if there is a closure order and we shut down a residence, people will

simply pack up and move to another location and start the targeted activity in

another location as well. If the illegal activity moves to a new location,

officials will respond to any new complaints that are filed, Mr. Speaker, and

they will act on those and deal with those. We are not targeting individuals

here, we are targeting activities. We want to rid our communities of these

activities that make a community unsafe.

Mr. Speaker, safer communities and neighbourhoods legislation is a new way in

this Province to promote community safety, but it is not a new method of

promoting community safety. Manitoba proclaimed their legislation in 2002,

Saskatchewan proclaimed legislation in 2004, and we also have the Yukon and Nova

Scotia who have proclaimed legislation. This Province, as well as the North West

Territories, have introduced legislation during the current sittings of our

Legislatures.

Mr. Speaker, police agencies are quite pleased with this proposed

legislation. They, in other locations, cooperate with investigation units

created under the safer communities and neighbourhoods legislation with respect

to information sharing and the conduct of operations. We have consulted with

police agencies here in the Province as well and we are given the understanding

by police agencies that they are in favour of this legislation. It is another

tool in the toolbox that is intended to provide safer communities and ensure

that people feel safe in their communities.

Mr. Speaker, it is important to note, as I have said, that this is one tool.

It is not a panacea, it is not going to solve all of the problems, but this is

an extra tool, an additional tool, that can be used to ensure communities can

shut down places that are chronically and habitually used for targeted

activities for an extended period of time.

I think, based on the success in other provinces - and I met just recently

with my counterparts, the Ministers of Justice, from other provinces at a

meeting just last week, Mr. Speaker - and based on the successes that they have

and the successes that they have shared with me, we believe that this is a very

important tool for this Province and for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.

At a 2006 federal-provincial and territorial ministers meeting for Ministers

Responsible for Justice, a report was tabled at that meeting, Mr. Speaker, and

that report lauds the Provinces of Saskatchewan and Manitoba, who were the

provinces at that time who experienced great success as result of this

particular legislation, for their initiatives in adopting safer communities and

neighbourhoods legislation; as the legislation has improved and continues to

improve the detection and shutting down of clandestine labs and grow-ops within

communities.

As well, Mr. Speaker, it has supported the increasing capacity to respond to

community concerns about illegal drug houses. The working group recommended that

all provinces consider adopting safer communities and neighbourhoods

legislation. Many of our communities are now faced with situations, such as we

have seen last week and the week before, where there are marijuana grow-ops and

other drug operations operating out of residential properties. We have seen and

experienced great success with both the RCMP and the Royal Newfoundland

Constabulary in recent months with shutting down these types of operations. Mr.

Speaker, this legislation will be an added advantage to allowing, not only

through the criminal process but through a civil process now, to shut down

operations and to do it more expediently than the tools that are available right

now to the RCMP and the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary. So, this piece of

legislation is proactive and it provides the tools that are necessary to ensure

that our communities and neighbourhoods will remain safe and secure.

Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to be bringing this legislation forward. It

received first reading last December and again in May of this year. It is very

progressive legislation. It is legislation that has worked very, very well in

other provinces and it is legislation that I believe will work very, very well

here. I want to say again, Mr. Speaker, that we are not targeting individuals

here and certainly innocent individuals should not be affected by this

legislation. What we are targeting here is targeted activities that cause

neighbourhoods and individuals within those neighbourhoods to feel unsafe.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Hear, hear!

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright-L'Anse au Clair.

MS JONES: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I will have a few words as it relates to Bill 9, and I am sure there are many

others who would like to speak to this bill as well.

Mr. Speaker, first of all, I have to say that I have absolutely no problem

with having safer communities in our Province. I think it is all something that

we should strive towards and work towards achieving, safer communities and

neighbourhoods, and there is absolutely no doubt about that. You cannot argue

the actual principle of having safety anywhere in our Province, whether it be in

our communities, in our homes, in our workplace or whatever the case may be.

Mr. Speaker, I look at Bill 9, and I guess I look at it in the context of who

this bill is really going to be applying to. When you look at what this bill is

doing - and the minister says he does not want to target individuals, he does

not want to target groups and so on, but when you look at this particular bill

and you look at, in essence, what it is doing, it is monitoring and restricting

the uses of alcohol products, of drugs, of any type of crime that may be going

on in any proposed neighbourhood or community in the Province. It is all

outlined here, the specified uses of different things on properties.

Mr. Speaker, a lot of times when we hear, in our Province, of things going

on, especially in terms of alcohol, in terms of prostitution, in terms of drug

addictions, oftentimes it is related to poverty. It is often related to

homelessness, and it is also - many of the people who seem to fall into those

positions are people who have fallen, I would say to the minister, into very bad

times, as we used to refer to it years ago.

So, Mr. Speaker, to say that it is not targeting something, some group or

people, I think is wrong. I think that many of the people that this does target

are not homeowners, but they are actually people who either rent from government

housing or they rent in low-income housing. Mr. Speaker, I think that it is

targeting those particular individuals in particular.

I can say that because when I read through that particular bill and I see the

kinds of things that are going to be monitored by a director - I have no

problem, as I said, with safe communities, but I think that when you have a

director - and I do not know if this is going to be one director or ten

directors or twenty-five directors that is going to be appointed by the

government, but I do not know how one director is going to do the things that

have been outlined in this bill, in particular. Especially if they are based in

St. John's and they are serving the whole Province, but that is a different

issue. The issue that I want to speak to here is how this particular legislation

is going to impact upon people.

Mr. Speaker, the Women's Centres in the Province, the women's groups, the

activist groups who have been involved in the consultations in establishing

anti-violence legislation in the Province, have all added their voices to this

particular bill in terms of saying this is not the appropriate legislation. This

is not what we want and this is not what we are asking for.

Mr. Speaker, if you have all of those groups out there saying this is not the

legislation that we are asking for, or that needs to implemented, I guess it

begs the question of the minister: Who is asking for this legislation? Where

does this request and lobby effort come from, to see a bill like this being

implemented in the Province today?

If it is just something that he and his government decided they would go

forward with as an initiative, that is fine, I have no problem with that, but

there are activist groups out there today that are saying this bill is not being

implemented because it is going to be the means to an end for some of their

problems. In fact, what they are saying is, it is going to create even more

problems for them, and that it is not legislation that they are requesting or

that they have lobbied for. So the minister might want to tell us, when he

stands, where this came from and who was directing the government in terms of

this particular piece of legislation.

Mr. Speaker, a lot of these individuals who are saying this were part of very

in-depth consultations around the Violence Prevention Initiative, in which they

had working groups, in which their input was sought out, they suggested means by

which they could counteract violence in the Province, how it needed to be dealt

with, and at the end of the day it was their suggestions that comprised a

strategy which we know today as the Violence Prevention Initiative. Many of

these same people are saying that they were not consulted on this particular

bill. In fact, many of them have said, Mr. Speaker, that it is only in the last

few days that they have had anyone from the Department of Justice even engage

them in any kind of discussion. Once they became engaged in that discussion,

they discovered what the impact this was going to be on women and children in

our Province.

The minister has said that he is going to bring in some amendments as we go

along in the bill, and maybe those amendments might help clarify some of these

things to a certain degree, but these particular people, if they are living in

an area or in a home adjacent to this activity, or in a home where some of this

activity is even going on, even if they are innocent victims here, they stand a

chance of being evicted from their properties. They have to go through the court

system at a cost that many of them cannot afford.

We also know that written right in here in this bill is that, if they decide

to file a complaint application and it is frivolous or vexatious the court may

order the complainant to pay costs to the director in addition to another order

for cost. That is written right into the bill.

If I have a home where my partner, my spouse, my roommate, my whomever, is

trafficking into something that might be illegal, or I deem to be, or my

neighbours, and I want to protect my children and I file a complaint, does that

mean that if I lose this case that I have to pay for the expenses of the

director that I have had to call to supervise and investigate and all of the

rest of it?

Those things need to be clarified. These are expenses that people do not want

to have to incur. If there is a risk that they will, they are not going to use

the system anyway. They are not going to use it because they are not going to

take that chance.

Mr. Speaker, I had a call, actually, back a few months ago, when the Turner

inquiry was going on. I had a call from an individual, and this individual had

no custody rights over their grandchildren but had a concern with regard to

their grandchildren. They called me up and they were concerned about where these

grandchildren were now living, and if they were being supervised by social

services and being looked after, and all of the rest of it. I happened to ask:

Where is the mother of these children? Where does the mother live? Well, I don't

know where the mother lives - although it was his daughter. I don't know where

she lives. I know that she works in a gentlemen's bar downtown. I have not

seen her in over a year. I understand she is okay, but I do not know where she

is.

I said: Well, where is the father of these children? Well, the father is in

jail right now. So, I asked why the father was in jail. Because they were

trafficking narcotics, alcohol, running a prostitution ring, out of the

residence where he was living. The residence, as I found out, was a Newfoundland

and Labrador Housing house that this individual was living in.

So, if government wants to play an active role in terms of safer communities,

the first thing is to start screening some of these applicants that you are

placing in your own housing lots to start with. If the RNC can discover this,

and move in and crash this operation, surely these applicants should be screened

better before they are placed in that housing, especially in neighbourhoods

where there is other adjoining housing with children and families that have been

placed there by the government as well. That is certainly one of the places that

you could start in terms of reviewing that particular piece of it.

Mr. Speaker, this legislation - and I can only read the comments that have

been put out by a number of groups in the Province. I am sure that we will hear

from the Minister Responsible for the Status of Women on this particular bill

because she has been called upon directly to intervene - is what this letter

says, that I have received - that she has been called upon directly to

"....intervene and stop this bill from going any further. This legislation

will place women and children at risk and has far too much potential to do

harm...".

That is what is being asked of individuals, and this particular group is the

Newfoundland and Labrador Feminist Coalition, who is calling upon the minister

to intervene here and to ensure that this legislation does not pass. Maybe we

will get to hear from her in a little while.

Mr. Speaker, let me just tell you what some of the other people are saying.

This is from Noreen Careen, who happens to be a feminist who lives in Labrador

West, who has been involved with women's issues ever since I can remember, in

Labrador, and is a very active member. She says, "This is outrageous. In a

last minute effort to appease us, government Justice officials are scurrying

around the Province in an attempt to convince women's groups that this

legislation is good for women and families and communities. Well, it is not! In

Lab West we have a major housing shortage, no judge and no proper legal aid

services, and the provincial government is now attempting to bring in

legislation which could throw women and children on to the streets."

That is how they perceive this legislation. That is how they perceive it.

They perceive it to be written in such a way and, if implemented, that they will

lose some of the autonomy and the rights that they have, and that they could

indeed find themselves out in the street with nowhere to live based on how your

director and how the Province implements the policies that are contained in this

bill.

Mr. Speaker, that is a pretty serious concern, coming from a woman who has

given all of her life to women's issues in this Province, whether they be in

Labrador or otherwise, but has given her life to women's issues in the

Labrador City and Wabush area, who has lobbied and built up Women's Centres,

who has lobbied tirelessly day after day for proper accommodations for women in

that community, so that they have a good roof over their head and they have a

home to raise their family in. I know this personally and firsthand, because I

have dealt with this woman many times. When I get something from her that tells

me that she is very concerned about what is happening here, I take her concerns

very seriously, and I would suggest that the ministers do the same, the Minister

of Justice and the Minister for the Status of Women. You should actually pick up

the phone and call her, find out what it is that is troubling her so much about

this bill, and see if there is a way that we can make some changes here to

accommodate those people so they have a sense of security around this, because

they don't have it right now. These aren't people who are out there making

frivolous comments. They are people who understand the system very, very well.

They understand it very well because they deal with it every day.

Mr. Speaker, let me read this one, "Women and families are concerned

that our present laws are often limited in their approach but the solutions have

to come from the communities, and women's centres know these issues very

well." This is from Myra Reid. She cannot understand why they were not

consulted in terms of this legislation coming before the House of Assembly. They

have something to offer here and they feel that they have been left out, because

they were consulted after the legislation was brought to the House. I don't

know if it was before or after the first reading, I can't say that for sure,

but certainly the consultation has been in very recent days.

"In rural NL, we do not have enough services and programs for women and

children and we would like to see government focus on improving these rather

than bringing in legislation which puts the responsibility on landlords and

neighbours to police illegal activities in our communities." That is how

they feel. They feel that responsibility is being transferred over to the people

who live in and around their neighbourhood. Maybe, when you explain to us about

how this director is going to work, and we get to understand that a little bit

more, maybe that might give her a little more comfort, but I sincerely doubt it.

Of course, there were other comments, Mr. Speaker, from an individual with

the Gateway Women's Centre in Port aux Basques, Susanne Ingram, who is from my

colleague's district, the Member for Burgeo & LaPoile. I am sure that he

has already talked to her and can certainly enlighten you as to how they are

feeling about this in the Port aux Basques area, this legislation coming in and

how it is going to impact on them.

Mr. Speaker, in Bay St. George, as well- the Minister for the Status of Women

represents this district. It is her constituency. The Bay St. George area and

the Corner Brook women's council have also expressed their concerns and feel

that Bill 9 would have a negative impact on vulnerable populations. There has

been no lobby by equality seeking women's groups for this legislation. That is

what they are saying, they did not ask for this. Yet, they feel that they will

be left dealing with the fall out if government continues to fast track this

legislation.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure what the minister had intended here was to be a good

bill, to be a bill that would implement safeguards and measures in our

communities so that w

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